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New York Times/Sienna Poll Puts Trump Up by 4 Among Likely Voters, 6 Among Registered Voters

Is this still a "small" or "slight" lead, or is this more substantial?

Note that we are now at an inversion of the past situation -- a likely voter screen is now more Democratic, and an "all voters" screen favors Trump. Trump has attracted a lot of non-voters and low-propensity voters.

The trouble is... they are low-propensity voters.

President Biden continues to confront deeper doubts among Democrats than former President Donald J. Trump faces among Republicans -- even after Mr. Trump was convicted of 34 felony charges last month, according to a new poll by The New York Times and Siena College.

The national survey on the eve of the first presidential debate shows that voters have broad distaste for both candidates but that Mr. Trump has so far better consolidated the support of his own party. Only 72 percent of voters who said they cast a ballot for Mr. Biden four years ago say they approve of the job he is doing as president. And voters overall say they now trust Mr. Trump more on the issues that matter most to them.

In the first Times/Siena poll since the former president's trial ended with a guilty verdict on May 30, more than two-thirds of voters said the outcome of his Manhattan criminal case made no difference to their vote. Roughly 90 percent of Republicans still view Mr. Trump favorably.

And among the relatively small slice who said the conviction would make a difference in their vote, Republicans said the outcome would make them likelier to support him than oppose him by a roughly 4-to-1 margin.

...


The head-to-head results of the survey show Mr. Trump with his biggest lead in a national Times/Siena poll among likely voters, 48 percent to 44 percent, a 3 percentage point margin when calculated before the figures are rounded. Mr. Trump's lead with registered voters was an even larger 6 percentage points.

Those results are notably different than the new national polling average released by The New York Times this week, which shows Mr. Trump leading Mr. Biden by about one percentage point. It is difficult to determine whether such results, known in the polling industry as an outlier, reflect a change in public opinion not yet seen by other pollsters or are produced by random error.

It's not an outlier. Quinippiac just found Trump ahead by 4 as well.


In this case, the size of Mr. Trump's lead in the poll may be related to the fact that Republicans were significantly likelier to answer their phones and take the survey than Democrats or independents, a new development in Times/Siena polling this cycle. One potential explanation was that Mr. Trump's base is more motivated to participate in the poll after his conviction.

LOL, our own poll is skewed! Skewed polls! Skewed polls!


The candidates were neck-and-neck in the Times/Siena survey in April, with Mr. Trump holding a slight advantage -- 47 percent to 46 percent -- among likely voters.

Was that an "outlier" too?

It's not all good news. Trump's own pollster shows Trump losing four points of his lead, falling from +6 over Biden to now just +2.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:00 PM




Comments

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1 Believe all polls!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2024 12:01 PM (qXHYf)

2 Good afternoon Ace

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2024 12:01 PM (N8NdM)

3 Hi Ace
Do you think Trump will announce his VP pick today?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 27, 2024 12:01 PM (t/2Uw)

4 Fetched them.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2024 12:01 PM (qXHYf)

5 I was told this was a Nood Pole.

Posted by: m at June 27, 2024 12:01 PM (NHMTR)

6 We'll see if it's enough to put it past the margin of fraud.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 27, 2024 12:02 PM (N1tpc)

7 In this case, the size of Mr. Trump's lead in the poll may be related to the fact that Republicans were significantly likelier to answer their phones and take the survey than Democrats or independents, a new development in Times/Siena polling this cycle. One potential explanation was that Mr. Trump's base is more motivated to participate in the poll after his conviction.

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Man, theories abound about why polls are garbage, even from polling firms.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:02 PM (GBKbO)

8 The dead and illegal vote will be 100-0 in favor if the democrats.


Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at June 27, 2024 12:02 PM (IWiQG)

9 Joe Biden
Favorable: 37%
Unfavorable: 61%
Net: -24% (new low)

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 27, 2024 12:02 PM (ENQN6)

10 Morning.

Maybe not the best post to start the day when you're all out of lube.

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:02 PM (4qmLN)

11 What will Luntz's Dunces spew after the debate?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:02 PM (3hJhH)

12 Donald Trump
Favorable: 46%
Unfavorable: 52%
Net: -6% (highest since April 2020)

========

Now that.

That is truly, truly fascinating.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:03 PM (GBKbO)

13 yeah ok I guess we'll see how his imprisonment affects these numbers

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 27, 2024 12:03 PM (s3qiR)

14 Polls are for strippers.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 27, 2024 12:03 PM (ENQN6)

15 ace here's a funny:

@growing_daniel retweeted
@hopes_revenge
17h
only a few more days for the gays . then they have to switch back

Posted by: m at June 27, 2024 12:03 PM (NHMTR)

16 A debate?
During pride month?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at June 27, 2024 12:03 PM (i2pC0)

17 🇺🇲 2024 GE: Conducted by P2 Insights for @bldgUSAfuture (R)

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Prediction:

RFK will perform at less than half of those poll results.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:03 PM (GBKbO)

18 9 Joe Biden
Favorable: 37%
Unfavorable: 61%
Net: -24% (new low)


should be way, way lower

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 27, 2024 12:03 PM (s3qiR)

19 Guys, the '24 election is old news.

Serious poll watchers are talking about '28.

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:03 PM (4qmLN)

20 I lost trust in polls whe Hildabeast became President because they all told me she won before she lost

Posted by: Skip at June 27, 2024 12:04 PM (N8NdM)

21 Make it Too big to rig!

Posted by: Im Gumby Damn It! /George Carlins Pencil at June 27, 2024 12:04 PM (o3Uyl)

22 A Republican candidate leading in the "Registered Voters" category is wild. Doing better in it than "Likely Voters" is even more crazy. Trump is certainly changing the Republican voter base.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 27, 2024 12:04 PM (JCZqz)

23 Don't worry - I'll imprison Trump two weeks from today, and then everything will be fine!

Posted by: "Judge" Merchan! at June 27, 2024 12:04 PM (uxCna)

24 Filthadelphia is warming up in bullpen, folks.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 27, 2024 12:04 PM (qZEuM)

25 Hola, Hace!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:04 PM (v6JzV)

26 Robert

Gendo Ikari or Joey Bidet?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:04 PM (3hJhH)

27 Don't worry - I'll imprison Trump two weeks from today, and then everything will be fine!

We have two weeks left in the Before Times.

Enjoy them.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 27, 2024 12:05 PM (uxCna)

28 It's not all good news. Trump's own pollster shows Trump losing four points of his lead, falling from +6 over Biden to now just +2.

========

So, both moved within the margin for error.

You see, polling is not really statistics.

It's chicken liver divining with numbers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:05 PM (GBKbO)

29 I was told this was a Nood Pole.
Posted by: m


Give me a sec.
-- Stormy Daniels

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:05 PM (v6JzV)

30 8 The dead and illegal vote will be 100-0 in favor if the democrats.


Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at June 27, 2024 12:02 PM (IWiQG)

Mail in soldier and seaman votes were 99.9% for Uncle Joe in several states as the ballots were not standard so that when the votes were received they were then quote unquote copied to a legal ballot.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 27, 2024 12:05 PM (ENQN6)

31 Maybe not the best post to start the day when you're all out of lube.

We've secretly replaced lube with polygrip.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at June 27, 2024 12:05 PM (i2pC0)

32 Building him up so that the post-debate polls will show he “lost” support over his performance?

I don’t believe most polls, even ones tha confirm my view.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 27, 2024 12:05 PM (Hkcdp)

33 Donald Trump
Favorable: 46%
Unfavorable: 52%
Net: -6% (highest since April 2020)


Forgive a dumb question, but does that mean his overall approval rating is the highest since that time, or that his unfavorable rating is the highest?

Posted by: Dr. T at June 27, 2024 12:05 PM (3WVSq)

34 >>>Do you think Trump will announce his VP pick today?

Is that the speculation?

I don't think so. I think he'd hold that back. If he beats Biden in the debate, he wants that to be the story, and doesn't want to compete with it with another story.

If he loses the debate, he'll want to release some other news to distract from the loss. A VP announcement would be one bit of news he could release to compete with the Trump Loses headlines.

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2024 12:06 PM (KRtlO)

35 Gendo Ikari or Joey Bidet?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:04 PM (3hJhH)

Gendo Ikari. I'm all in favor of giant robots and Third Impact!

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:06 PM (4qmLN)

36 I heard this morning Biden, along with practicing how to stand, is practicing 1 liners. I really hope Trump just lets him speak and when he drops one of these practiced “sick burns”, Trump just stares and says “okay, Joe” or nothing at all.

Posted by: Piper at June 27, 2024 12:06 PM (pRpzT)

37 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:06 PM (Zz0t1)

38 >>>22 A Republican candidate leading in the "Registered Voters" category is wild. Doing better in it than "Likely Voters" is even more crazy. Trump is certainly changing the Republican voter base.

IF they vote. They're unlikely voters.

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2024 12:07 PM (KRtlO)

39 Imagine where Trump would be favorability wise if the media and the Dems (I repeat myself) didn't lie about him 24/7/365.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:07 PM (Zz0t1)

40 We'll see if it's enough to put it past the margin of fraud.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 27, 2024 12:02 PM (N1tpc)


I asked my Magic 8 ball, and it started laughing at me.

Posted by: Dr. T at June 27, 2024 12:07 PM (3WVSq)

41 Because we really don't want a giant mech built with alien tech to merge with Jill

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (3hJhH)

42 SPONGE!!!!!!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (3Fz6p)

43 he loses the debate, he'll want to release some other news to distract from the loss. A VP announcement would be one bit of news he could release to compete with the Trump Loses headlines.


I hate to sound cynical but the headlines already written have Trump losing the debate and this is the start of the Biden recovery.

Posted by: Shillary at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (+X3BF)

44 5 I was told this was a Nood Pole.
Posted by: m

You wouldn't have been over here so quickly if I hadn't spelled it that way. It is the Moron way!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (qXHYf)

45 >>>Forgive a dumb question, but does that mean his overall approval rating is the highest since that time, or that his unfavorable rating is the highest?

highest net favorability, his favorable minus his unfavorable.

Trump has always been seen more unfavorably than favorably.

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (KRtlO)

46 The trouble is... they are low-propensity voters.

But that was true in 2016 - Trump got white working-class people to vote who normally didn't vote.

Trump's proposal not to tax tips is politically brilliant - it may get him Nevada, but more importantly it shows that he cares about the people that both parties normally shit on.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (uxCna)

47 I get sexually aroused from these polls. But then I remember the blatant steals of 2020 and 2022, plus the realization that nobody can fuck shit up like the GOP.

Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (iFTx/)

48 38 >>>22 A Republican candidate leading in the "Registered Voters" category is wild. Doing better in it than "Likely Voters" is even more crazy. Trump is certainly changing the Republican voter base.

IF they vote. They're unlikely voters.
Posted by: ace at June 27, 2024 12:07 PM (KRtlO)

=======

When it comes to analyzing the electorate, I think it's important to note that Trump is not really a generic Republican.

He attracts more non-voters than, say, Mitt Romney did.

I see them as the Midwestern Democrats who hate what the Democrat Party has become but hate the GOP because it's all rich people out to scam them and put down the working man in a labor union who just wants to put dinner on his family's table.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (GBKbO)

49 44 5 I was told this was a Nood Pole.
Posted by: m

You wouldn't have been over here so quickly if I hadn't spelled it that way. It is the Moron way!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (qXHYf)

You are correct!

Posted by: m at June 27, 2024 12:09 PM (NHMTR)

50 SPONGE!!!!!!
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (3Fz6p)


*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)

51 47 I get sexually aroused from these polls. But then I remember the blatant steals of 2020 and 2022, plus the realization that nobody can fuck shit up like the GOP.

Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (iFTx/)

========

AND 2022?!

Wait...you're telling me that 2022 wasn't clean as the driven snow?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:09 PM (GBKbO)

52 What are the polling numbers on Mountain-Size Planet Killer Asteroid?

https://tinyurl.com/2hk7ak6b

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 27, 2024 12:09 PM (63Dwl)

53 Polls are generally wish casting for the left. If Trump is up now, he's waaaaaaay up.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 27, 2024 12:09 PM (JeYYB)

54 Trump ahead in the polls? During Pride month???

Posted by: dantesed at June 27, 2024 12:09 PM (+arps)

55 So what's the debate bingo card looking like for tonight?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:09 PM (3hJhH)

56 I see Elric is still trying make sure everyone know's he's not garrett adjacent.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:10 PM (tT6L1)

57 I heard this morning Biden, along with practicing how to stand, is practicing 1 liners. I really hope Trump just lets him speak and when he drops one of these practiced “sick burns”, Trump just stares and says “okay, Joe” or nothing at all.
Posted by: Piper at June 27, 2024 12:06 PM (pRpzT)
--------------
Joe: I just flew in from Camp David and, boy, are my arms tired!

Don: *stares*

Joe: One thing about Sonia Sotomayor, when she sits around the house, she sits *around* the house!

Don: *facepalm*

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 27, 2024 12:10 PM (3Fz6p)

58 Polls mean nothing. Late might ballot dumps mean everything.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 27, 2024 12:10 PM (49Sxk)

59 53 Polls are generally wish casting for the left. If Trump is up now, he's waaaaaaay up.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 27, 2024 12:09 PM (JeYYB)

=========

The final polls of 2020, the most accurate ones and the ones the pollsters relied on for gauging their accuracy in the future, were off by 7 points.

In Biden's favor.

With six states shutting down ballot counting in the middle of the night to ballot box stuff like Tammany Hall.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:10 PM (GBKbO)

60 I did read one story that Trump was going to announce his pick just before the debate to discombobulate Biden and create news to overshadow he debate.
I don't care when as long as it's Vance.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 27, 2024 12:11 PM (t/2Uw)

61 I get sexually aroused from these polls. But then I remember the blatant steals of 2020 and 2022, plus the realization that nobody can fuck shit up like the GOP.

Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (iFTx/)

I'm not sure what the second part has to do with the first part but it is pretty damn funny.

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:11 PM (4qmLN)

62 Polls are an okay indicator but events can change everything and suddenly

Posted by: Cheri at June 27, 2024 12:11 PM (oiNtH)

63 I see Elric is still trying make sure everyone know's he's not garrett adjacent.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:10 PM (tT6L1)


To be fair, he didn't say the polls weren't a dude in Vegas.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)

64 Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.
Posted by: Elric Blade

*sad trombone from Price is Right*

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 27, 2024 12:11 PM (qZEuM)

65 This polling thread is obviously sponsored by Big Poll.

Posted by: Perfessor Squirrel at June 27, 2024 12:11 PM (bNms3)

66 What are the polling numbers on Mountain-Size Planet Killer Asteroid?

https://tinyurl.com/2hk7ak6b
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


I thought that the "giraffe" was the scientifically accepted unit for measuring asteroid size.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:11 PM (v6JzV)

67 Who knows what will happen up until the election outcome, but it's nice to remember that night when I went to bed thinking Hillary would be president and got up at 3:00 am to find out that bitch lost.

A delightful experience.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 27, 2024 12:12 PM (JeYYB)

68 Trump has attracted a lot of non-voters and low-propensity voters.

So, will this be a case of "people have experienced enough pain that even non-voters are prepared to endure the 20-30 minutes required to voice their disapproval of TPTB", or not?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:12 PM (IUd0M)

69
I heard this morning Biden, along with practicing how to stand, is practicing 1 liners. I really hope Trump just lets him speak and when he drops one of these practiced “sick burns”, Trump just stares and says “okay, Joe” or nothing at all.
Posted by: Piper

Or laughs at it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 27, 2024 12:12 PM (63Dwl)

70
*sad trombone from Price is Right*
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 27, 2024 12:11 PM (qZEuM)


https://youtu.be/_asNhzXq72w

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:12 PM (Zz0t1)

71

Im prepared for Joe to be reelected. His cunt wife already said he’s going to win.

The repubs don’t want to win. The moneys in losing.

They let Trump get fucked over by Garland. Make a big show out of it now but they are fine with it.



Posted by: Dr Huge Largemeat at June 27, 2024 12:13 PM (pcF8R)

72 If the NYT is reporting this kind of poll, they're probably on suicide watch and trying to let the DNC know they need to dump Joe.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:13 PM (tT6L1)

73 Elric
ISWYDT

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 27, 2024 12:13 PM (t/2Uw)

74 I get sexually aroused from these polls. But then I remember the blatant steals of 2020 and 2022, plus the realization that nobody can fuck shit up like the GOP.

Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (iFTx/)

========

AND 2022?!

Wait...you're telling me that 2022 wasn't clean as the driven snow?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:09 PM (GBKbO)
_____

2022 was indeed as clean as driven snow . . . snow driven from under leaking septic trucks that just ran over a herd of skunks.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:13 PM (iFTx/)

75 Low-propensity voters vs high-propensity, highly organized, paid election fraudsters.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at June 27, 2024 12:13 PM (98J/K)

76 If we were allowed to watch the debate, I'm not sure I could listen to Jake Tapper for that long, anyway.

Posted by: m at June 27, 2024 12:13 PM (NHMTR)

77 So what's the debate bingo card looking like for tonight?

Convicted felon is the free space

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 27, 2024 12:13 PM (+X3BF)

78 Trump should show up 45 minutes late tonight, so Joe's drugs wear off sooner.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 27, 2024 12:13 PM (iRX3h)

79 73 Elric
ISWYDT
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 27, 2024 12:13 PM (t/2Uw)

Trying to replace the Las Vegas meme?

Posted by: m at June 27, 2024 12:14 PM (NHMTR)

80 47 I get sexually aroused from these polls. But then I remember the blatant steals of 2020 and 2022, plus the realization that nobody can fuck shit up like the GOP.

Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (iFTx/)

Sir, I think we've all heard enough about your sexual depravity for one week. It's off-putting, and I'm afraid your reputation won't recover.

Posted by: Viva Las Vegas!! at June 27, 2024 12:14 PM (V5BDR)

81 These polls mean dick. Absolutely, positively nothing. Just more old school stuck in the past BS by people that still grasp to the hope we have a functioning political/electoral system. Painful to witness.

Posted by: JROD at June 27, 2024 12:14 PM (IlL6s)

82 Renee DiResta is looking for a new gig - she might have some ideas about how to make Election Day a (D)elightful surprise.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (ogTiX)

83 57
Don: *facepalm*
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o'

See how effective this would be? Eric Trump, if you are reading this, please give your dad our advice. I got a text the other day that said “Piper, you are very important to President Trump.” Clearly this means he cares what I think about his debate tactics! 😂

Posted by: Piper at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (pRpzT)

84 Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.
Posted by: Elric Blade

You told her drove a Honda Civic, didn't you?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (v6JzV)

85 >>81 These polls mean dick. Absolutely, positively nothing. Just more old school stuck in the past BS by people that still grasp to the hope we have a functioning political/electoral system. Painful to witness.

oh for crying out loud, i'm so sick of this ignorant ass shit.

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (KRtlO)

86 Polls are taken by phone or they are self-selecting.
How many conservative people who vote have stopped taking calls from any number they don't recognize. A show of hands...

Mine is up.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (qXHYf)

87 Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (iFTx/)

------------------------

What happens in High School stays in High School.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (2UnvF)

88 n this case, the size of Mr. Trump's lead in the poll may be related to the fact that Republicans were significantly likelier to answer their phones and take the survey than Democrats or independents, a new development in Times/Siena polling this cycle.

What's the point of taking a poll at all if you can just pull rationalizations out of your ass for any result?

Posted by: Oddbob at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (/y8xj)

89 So what's the debate bingo card looking like for tonight?
Posted by: Anna Puma

All my chips are on Joe saying "Here's the deal."

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 27, 2024 12:16 PM (iRX3h)

90 If you live in a big county go to the polls early. Harris set the 2022 vote to print 2 pages and then sent 1 regulation ballot per predicted voter to (R) heavy precincts.
Maricopa changed the ballot printer to print a 19 inch tall ballot on 20 inch paper.

Get there on the first day and get your vote counted.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 27, 2024 12:16 PM (ENQN6)

91 77 So what's the debate bingo card looking like for tonight?

Convicted felon is the free space
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 27, 2024 12:13 PM (+X3BF)
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abortion
Democracy
Any reference on how/where Beau Biden died.

Posted by: WisRich at June 27, 2024 12:16 PM (G0vdT)

92
oh for crying out loud, i'm so sick of this ignorant ass shit.
Posted by: ace at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (KRtlO)


Treat it like a Queensrÿche lyric.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:16 PM (Zz0t1)

93 And away we go.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 27, 2024 12:16 PM (qZEuM)

94 you seem to believe that if a poll is always right, it's worthless.

is a weather forecast worthless because it's sometimes wrong?

Posted by: ace at June 27, 2024 12:16 PM (KRtlO)

95 I get sexually aroused from these polls. But then I remember the blatant steals of 2020 and 2022, plus the realization that nobody can fuck shit up like the GOP.

Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:08 PM (iFTx/)

I'm not sure what the second part has to do with the first part but it is pretty damn funny.
Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:11 PM (4qmLN)
_________

Thanks! I meant to draw a parallel from the sexual arousal of the current polls, to be followed by likely disappointment in November, to that High School experience where I was very excited only to have my hopes dashed on the rocks of fate. Lachesis fucked me that night.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:16 PM (iFTx/)

96 "How Georgia Was Stolen" by Liz Harrington goes into great detail about how all the Expert Dem Cheaters (experts at hiding their cheats) were moved into place before the 2020 election.

They then successfully stiff armed all efforts to expose their "Operation Cheat", and still fail to comply. There chant is now "it is time to move on" as their raw fabrication of massive numbers of votes (without ballots) is exposed.

Many of the same people and structures are still in place. Polling will have to move toward Biden (if they keep him) so when they steal it they can claim it was expected by polling.

warroom.org/how-georgia-was-stolen/

Posted by: illiniwek at June 27, 2024 12:16 PM (Cus5s)

97 88 n this case, the size of Mr. Trump's lead in the poll may be related to the fact that Republicans were significantly likelier to answer their phones and take the survey than Democrats or independents, a new development in Times/Siena polling this cycle.

What's the point of taking a poll at all if you can just pull rationalizations out of your ass for any result?
Posted by: Oddbob at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (/y8xj)

========

It also goes against the whole Shy Tory effect that has become commonly accepted amongst the polling industry where righties are generally more likely to lie to pollsters about their voting habits because they don't want to project their preferences for...reasons.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:17 PM (GBKbO)

98 Lachesis?

How Atropos.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:17 PM (3hJhH)

99 100

Posted by: m at June 27, 2024 12:17 PM (NHMTR)

100 100!

Posted by: m at June 27, 2024 12:17 PM (NHMTR)

101 "So what's the debate bingo card looking like for tonight?"

Malarkey in abundance.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at June 27, 2024 12:18 PM (98J/K)

102 Do not take Lachesis if you are allergic to Lachesis.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:18 PM (v6JzV)

103 What happens in High School stays in High School.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

Damn straight.

Posted by: Two Pump Chump at June 27, 2024 12:18 PM (qZEuM)

104 I'm just going to make a small pitcher of Bloody Marys (got all the proper ingredients including horseradish) and watch some Cleveland Indians Baseball. Well, not exactly the Indians. During breaks I'll switch over and maybe Retardo will lose it and be laying in a puddle and pile of his own waste.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 27, 2024 12:18 PM (V5eKu)

105
99 100
Posted by: m at June 27, 2024 12:17 PM (NHMTR)

100 100!
Posted by: m at June 27, 2024 12:17 PM (NHMTR)


ROFL......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)

106 Mail in soldier and seaman votes were 99.9% for Uncle Joe in several states as the ballots were not standard so that when the votes were received they were then quote unquote copied to a legal ballot.
Posted by: rhennigantx at June 27, 2024 12:05 PM (ENQN6)

Nothin' the troops hate more than a guy who won't get them into a bunch of pointless wars that they won't be permitted to win.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:18 PM (IUd0M)

107 Lachesis fucked me that night.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:16 PM (iFTx/)
------------
She measured wrong?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 27, 2024 12:18 PM (3Fz6p)

108 It's going to change as Biden will be declared the Winner of the debate, regardless if he strokes out, freezes or starts masturbating on stage while he screams Ashley. He won!

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 27, 2024 12:18 PM (ewjUl)

109 If somehow Trump manages to get to the point where Congress is supposed to sign off on the electoral votes in early January 2025 what are the odds that Biden and the D's state the election was fraudulent, and refuse to give up power?

It is more than zero it seems. The final transformation of the nation, as envisioned by Obama, is far more important than a measly election. And that goes does double when there is a convicted felon involved that must be stopped. Democracy must be saved!

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 27, 2024 12:18 PM (dwW0F)

110 If I read correctly (probably not, I’m distracted by work at the moment), Trump’s conviction actually helps him. You know trust in all institutions is shot if that’s true. Don’t get me wrong: for me trust is gone and I hope it’s true with an overwhelming number of voters

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (SlNuN)

111 I dunno. Isn’t it time to trade your own irrational views and desires for reality? The country is swirling in the bowl and some people are still stuck on Trump’s personality. The fact is Trump was better for the country and he has proven that. He will have four years and then be done. Frankly, the Left Wingers and so called Independents are afraid their shibboleths and fever dreams will be proven even more demonstrably false by another Trump term in office. I am so sick of the irrational people whose arguments are either specious or sophistic, being represented as “mainstream”.

Posted by: Truthbomb at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (7gP3b)

112 oh for crying out loud, i'm so sick of this ignorant ass shit.
Posted by: ace at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (KRtlO)


Treat it like a Queensrÿche lyric.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:16 PM (Zz0t1)

Queensryche - The Needle Lies

https://youtu.be/9iVan8egsxw

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (nmd5P)

113 OT: Willowed, from the last thread re the triumph of Islham:

I was struck by a line I saw in an old movie the other night.

The movie was 1939's The Phantom of the Opera, starring Charles Laughton and a lovely young Maureen O'Hara in her Hollywood debut.

At the beginning of the film, a band of Gypsies is trying to enter Paris, from which they have been legally banned. Cedrick Hardwicke plays a high government official who is confronting them at the gates of the city. When the leader of the Gypsies asks why they are barred from the city, the Hardwicke character responds with something like, "Because you are not Frenchmen."
To which the Gypsy leader responds with something like "You were here first, and we are here later." Which I took to mean, "Yeah, you Frenchmen rule the roost now, but someday we will supplant you." Eerily prescient of the Muslim takeover of Europe today.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (v6JzV)

114 What will happen to the polls after the media declares a red faced and incoherent Joe Biden the winner of the debate?

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (JLq/1)

115 Consider:

Trump's favorability rating is based on his perceived personality.

Biden's is based on his track record as president.

If Trump can stick to attacking Joe's record, tonight is a cake walk.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (KbCG3)

116 Donald Trump
Favorable: 46%
Unfavorable: 52%
Net: -6% (highest since April 2020)

Forgive a dumb question, but does that mean his overall approval rating is the highest since that time, or that his unfavorable rating is the highest?
Posted by: Dr. T at June 27, 2024 12:05 PM (3WVSq)

It means there's a bunch of whiney bitches in this country.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (IUd0M)

117
https://youtu.be/9iVan8egsxw
Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (nmd5P)


From end to end, that album is top 10.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:20 PM (Zz0t1)

118 110 If I read correctly (probably not, I’m distracted by work at the moment), Trump’s conviction actually helps him. You know trust in all institutions is shot if that’s true. Don’t get me wrong: for me trust is gone and I hope it’s true with an overwhelming number of voters
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (SlNuN)

======

Bill Maher and Andrew Cuomo both agreed that it was a huge mistake.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:20 PM (GBKbO)

119 Since Trump's conviction on multiple seriou crimes he will probably pick a bigger proportion of the ex-con vote than the models would assume when they make their adjustments.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 27, 2024 12:20 PM (NMZN9)

120 The danger for Trump will be if Biden drops out. There are a lot of people on the margins who would irrationally vote for “someone else”. Even if that person has demonstrably destroyed a state like California or Michigan.

Posted by: Truthbomb at June 27, 2024 12:21 PM (7gP3b)

121 Lachesis?

How Atropos.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:17 PM (3hJhH)
_________

[Hand clap]

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:21 PM (iFTx/)

122 120 The danger for Trump will be if Biden drops out. There are a lot of people on the margins who would irrationally vote for “someone else”. Even if that person has demonstrably destroyed a state like California or Michigan.

Posted by: Truthbomb at June 27, 2024 12:21 PM (7gP3b)

There will be an excitement factor associated with any fresh face under the age of 90.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 27, 2024 12:21 PM (KbCG3)

123 Frau Whitmer/Gruesome Newsome 2024?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:22 PM (3hJhH)

124 120 The danger for Trump will be if Biden drops out. There are a lot of people on the margins who would irrationally vote for “someone else”. Even if that person has demonstrably destroyed a state like California or Michigan.
Posted by: Truthbomb at June 27, 2024 12:21 PM (7gP3b)

==========

The idea that Democrats would be strengthened by getting all the way through a primary and then dumping the winner is a very curious one to me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:22 PM (GBKbO)

125 @85 ace-no worries, it’ll all be put to rest in November.

Posted by: JROD at June 27, 2024 12:22 PM (IlL6s)

126 So going in Biden is down. He fucks up and Gavin Newsome is the new candidate and polls explode for Gavin, rite?

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 27, 2024 12:22 PM (n17eQ)

127 Subjects NOT brought up by CNN.

Hunter laptop
Afghan withdrawal
High inflation

Posted by: WisRich at June 27, 2024 12:22 PM (G0vdT)

128 The idea that Democrats would be strengthened by getting all the way through a primary and then dumping the winner is a very curious one to me.


yep

also he's not going to drop out, and they can't make him. that dude REALLY knows how to hang on to kompromat

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 27, 2024 12:22 PM (s3qiR)

129 120 dollar WMT order from 2022
414 dollars today

https://tinyurl.com/3935473k

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 27, 2024 12:23 PM (ENQN6)

130 Lachesis? Isn't that an off strip casino in Vegas?

Posted by: You'll Never Live it Down at June 27, 2024 12:23 PM (2bFN5)

131 Subjects NOT brought up by CNN.

Hunter laptop
Afghan withdrawal
High inflation


illegal immigrant crime/terrorist links

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 27, 2024 12:23 PM (s3qiR)

132 Lachesis fucked me that night.
Posted by: Elric

So did get some.



Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2024 12:23 PM (qXHYf)

133 NYT poll will soon show swing to Biden based on his excellent showing in the debate, or Trump disaster in the debate, depending on the desired Narrative.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 27, 2024 12:23 PM (ao+jw)

134 Kin I haz my shots now?

Posted by: Joe Biden's Double at June 27, 2024 12:24 PM (ZtgZZ)

135 128 also he's not going to drop out, and they can't make him. that dude REALLY knows how to hang on to kompromat
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 27, 2024 12:22 PM (s3qiR)

========

In 2020, he was being attacked by his own party as a racist.

He knew that he just had to hold on before they panicked and got behind him to stop Bernie.

He also knows that by October, the press will be treating him like God's gift to American governance. He's a party hack. He doesn't know anything particularly special. He just knows how the machine works. The machine can have internal division, but it always comes together for the general election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:24 PM (GBKbO)

136 Moron Analyst--I'm with you. I don't recall having EVER seen any Republican have a larger lead with "registereds" than with "likelies."

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at June 27, 2024 12:24 PM (FEVMW)

137 133 NYT poll will soon show swing to Biden based on his excellent showing in the debate, or Trump disaster in the debate, depending on the desired Narrative.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 27, 2024 12:23 PM (ao+jw)


True

Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:24 PM (IyPmt)

138 _________

[Hand clap]
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:21 PM (iFTx/)


You asked for it.........


https://youtu.be/pABL7BkQH4E

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:24 PM (Zz0t1)

139 If I read correctly (probably not, I’m distracted by work at the moment), Trump’s conviction actually helps him. You know trust in all institutions is shot if that’s true. Don’t get me wrong: for me trust is gone and I hope it’s true with an overwhelming number of voters
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (SlNuN)

======

Bill Maher and Andrew Cuomo both agreed that it was a huge mistake.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:20 PM (GBKbO)
_______

It was a huge mistake as of now, but the endgame hasn't been played yet. If that asshole-sniffing, half-homo, full-retard judge throws Trump into prison, effective immediately, then I'm not sure how it all ends up. I mean, one way to "beat" a very popular political candidate is to jail or kill him.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:25 PM (iFTx/)

140 Maybe if Elric had had the young lady read poll results to him, the outcome that night would've been much, much different.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:25 PM (v6JzV)

141 "it’ll all be put to rest in November."

The won't be done counting ballots until January 2025.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at June 27, 2024 12:25 PM (98J/K)

142 btw I heard an interview on the radio last night with Tulsi

she sounds .. frankly amazing. she would still be the best VP pick I think. she's got a great voice, great look, great name.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 27, 2024 12:25 PM (s3qiR)

143 85 oh for crying out loud, i'm so sick of this ignorant ass shit.
Posted by: ace at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (KRtlO

Ace, I am Debby Downer (Piper Party Pooper?) about election integrity, but I am going to vote. And I live in Alabama, a state going for Trump no matter what. But I am still voting. I am going to hang on to hope here.

You are probably thinking “so what.” But I am trying to make you feel better. Sheeesh. Lol.

Posted by: Piper at June 27, 2024 12:25 PM (pRpzT)

144 139 It was a huge mistake as of now, but the endgame hasn't been played yet. If that asshole-sniffing, half-homo, full-retard judge throws Trump into prison, effective immediately, then I'm not sure how it all ends up. I mean, one way to "beat" a very popular political candidate is to jail or kill him.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:25 PM (iFTx/)

=========

At that point, it would be an electoral killer for the Democrat Party, but it would also be the throwing down the gauntlet of letting it be known what "Our Democracy" actually means in terms that even non-political people would understand.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:26 PM (GBKbO)

145 Everything is so fluid it is tenuous for me to feel confident that Trump is going to actually sit in the Oval Office even if Trump wipes the floor with Biden in November. The Dems have honed how to target key areas with fraudulent votes to throw the election; the endless mail in voting season is the gift that gives as needed. Then there is the potential for much mischief during the certification period.

Still my read on the polls and the mood of the nation is Trump is headed towards getting something north of 300 electoral votes, possibly into the 330 range. The degrees of difficulty is actually getting into the White House.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 27, 2024 12:27 PM (dwW0F)

146 What if Joey falls asleep during the debate?

Who will wake him up?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:27 PM (3hJhH)

147 You are probably thinking “so what.” But I am trying to make you feel better. Sheeesh. Lol.
Posted by: Piper

*Shoves vodka-kale smoothie to USB port for Ace*

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:27 PM (v6JzV)

148 Ace, I am Debby Downer (Piper Party Pooper?) about election integrity, but I am going to vote. And I live in Alabama, a state going for Trump no matter what. But I am still voting. I am going to hang on to hope here.

I'm in Ca. and I've never missed a vote

Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:27 PM (IyPmt)

149 btw I heard an interview on the radio last night with Tulsi

she sounds .. frankly amazing....
Posted by: BlackOrchid

She played by their rules and they still cut her metaphorical throat. She's about as independent as they get.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (dzZCL)

150 Vote early and often.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (sDxia)

151 Jay Jay Red Duck is going to lead LaBron to the next eight NBA chips. If you don't believe that you are a racist hater.

Posted by: Filler at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (fgIHt)

152 people are really struggling and if anything it's far worse in the blue zones - other than the very highest zip codes

so not sure how much effect ANY messaging is going to have

the reality out there is bad for the DEMS not Biden specifically

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (s3qiR)

153
So what's the debate bingo card looking like for tonight?
Posted by: Anna Puma

All my chips are on Joe saying "Here's the deal."
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled

Haven't heard Joe do the "whisper thing" lately.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (63Dwl)

154 I mean, one way to "beat" a very popular political candidate is to jail or kill him.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:25 PM (iFTx/)

I approve.

Posted by: Vladamir Putin at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (G0vdT)

155 I heard an interview on the radio last night with Tulsi

she sounds .. frankly amazing. she would still be the best VP pick I think. she's got a great voice, great look, great name.
Posted by: BlackOrchid

Hindoo. Instant disqualification in my book.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (v6JzV)

156 There's some betting site, "poly" something, that has Trump over 60% to win as well.

As we were discussing yesterday, Biden hopes to goad and agitate Trump, that's his only plan?
But this notion that Trump is easily provoked is entirely fake news, fully manufactured by the left.

You know why they wanted to sit?
Remember Paul Ryan sitting there as Joe grinned and brayed like a jackass?
No matter how forceful you respond, it's severely weakened by sitting. That's what they were going for, limiting that 70% of nonverbal communication.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (Ow6Ls)

157 It was a huge mistake as of now, but the endgame hasn't been played yet. If that asshole-sniffing, half-homo, full-retard judge throws Trump into prison, effective immediately, then I'm not sure how it all ends up. I mean, one way to "beat" a very popular political candidate is to jail or kill him.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:25 PM (iFTx/)

=========

At that point, it would be an electoral killer for the Democrat Party, but it would also be the throwing down the gauntlet of letting it be known what "Our Democracy" actually means in terms that even non-political people would understand.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:26 PM (GBKbO)
______

I dunno. You're assuming the GOP has some balls. I don't think they do. If Trump ends up behind bars, I totes see the GOP conspiring with Dems to make sure Trump loses in November.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (iFTx/)

158 What's the point of taking a poll at all if you can just pull rationalizations out of your ass for any result?
Posted by: Oddbob at June 27, 2024 12:15 PM (/y8xj)

If we get the result we want then the science is settled, if not then we rationalize. The same as every other modern science. -- pollsters

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:29 PM (IUd0M)

159 Jay Jay Red Duck is going to lead LaBron to the next eight NBA chips. If you don't believe that you are a racist hater.

Posted by: Filler at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (fgIHt)


Lebron will go to whatever dipshit team drafts Brony, if any.....He's a free agent this year and is waiting to see what the Lakers do about Brony.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:29 PM (Zz0t1)

160 What if Joey falls asleep during the debate?

Who will wake him up?
Posted by: Anna Puma

They'll just wave some Johnson's Baby Shampoo under his nose

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at June 27, 2024 12:29 PM (dzZCL)

161 Jay Jay Red Duck is going to lead LaBron to the next eight NBA chips. If you don't believe that you are a racist hater.

Posted by: Filler

The red Injun dude from King of the Hill?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:29 PM (v6JzV)

162 So what's the debate bingo card looking like for tonight?
Posted by: Anna Puma

All my chips are on Joe saying "Here's the deal."
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled


I'm going with "I'm not kidding."

Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:29 PM (IyPmt)

163 sock off

Posted by: WisRich at June 27, 2024 12:29 PM (G0vdT)

164 PJM: North Korea to Send 'Cannon Fodder' Troops to Fight in Ukraine, What Could Go Wrong?

https://tinyurl.com/47p5w2ph

Via Instapundit.

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:29 PM (3OG+/)

165 Odds of Joe freezing up?

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 27, 2024 12:29 PM (n17eQ)

166 As Pride Month winds down, Joe shows up with the ribbon. And wearing one of Doc's all purpose cheap motel drapes/gowns.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 27, 2024 12:30 PM (V5eKu)

167 157 I dunno. You're assuming the GOP has some balls. I don't think they do. If Trump ends up behind bars, I totes see the GOP conspiring with Dems to make sure Trump loses in November.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (iFTx/)

========

I'm assuming that the people, independent of the desiccated husk of the GOP, would move towards Trump as some kind of savior of America at levels that would make the win undeniable.

It would also make the steal undeniable, and the Democrats would understand that and be willing to back it up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

168 @143 Piper-Nowhere in my comment did I say or imply I was not going to vote.

Posted by: JROD at June 27, 2024 12:30 PM (IlL6s)

169 Look beneath all the bs the media wants you to pay attention to tonight, the gotchas, the dementias, the fake accusations, and you will see a Trump tonight that has several calm simple repeated messages that are of paramount concern to the average voter.

Trump knows marketing and marketing is all about a basic, easily digestible and repeated message. Forget Biden's condition, forget the performance of the fodderators. Watch and listen to Trump.

Posted by: ... at June 27, 2024 12:30 PM (/WMOu)

170 sock off
Posted by: WisRich

Sock on,
Sock off,
Sock on, sock off, the Socker.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:30 PM (v6JzV)

171 The College Fix: ‘Momentum undeniably growing’: More elite colleges look to end DEI hiring mandates

https://tinyurl.com/ycyaspe8

Via Instapundit.

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:30 PM (3OG+/)

172 165 Odds of Joe freezing up?
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 27, 2024 12:29 PM (n17eQ)

I think we're gonna get the Joe on speed...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:30 PM (IyPmt)

173 147 *Shoves vodka-kale smoothie to USB port for Ace*
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June

We need Ace’s creativity to come up with a name for our new product that is about to take the world by storm!

Posted by: Piper at June 27, 2024 12:30 PM (pRpzT)

174 B., did you mean the Laughton/O'Hara 1939 film The Hunchback of Notre Dame? There was a 1943 version of Phantom w/ Nelson Eddy, but not 1939 as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 27, 2024 12:31 PM (J2vNu)

175 Ace, I am Downer (Piper Party Pooper?) about election integrity, but I am going to vote. And I live in Alabama, a state going for Trump no matter what. But I am still voting. I am going to hang on to hope here.

I'm in Ca. and I've never missed a vote
Posted by: It's me donna

I am in New Mexico, aka California East politically speaking, and I am voting on the off chance the Hispanic vote, 40% of the state, break for Trump.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at June 27, 2024 12:31 PM (dwW0F)

176 OK, the link to x ain't working, so which states to get
"🟥 Trump: 303 🏆" ??

Posted by: runner at June 27, 2024 12:31 PM (V13WU)

177 The idea that Democrats would be strengthened by getting all the way through a primary and then dumping the winner is a very curious one to me.


yep

also he's not going to drop out, and they can't make him. that dude REALLY knows how to hang on to kompromat
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 27, 2024 12:22 PM (s3qiR)

On top of which is the basic arithmetic. Biden has a majority of Dems delegates pledged to him. They can’t vote any other way (on the first ballot) at the convention. Even if all the superdelegates pooled their votes on an alternate, the simple arithmetic says Biden becomes the official nominee. Unless he goes room temp he’s the nominee… because he’ll never quit.

I continue to be amazed at talking heads on the radio that don’t understand 50%+1 arithmetic

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:31 PM (SlNuN)

178
I think we're gonna get the Joe on speed...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:30 PM (IyPmt)


He will become Maxx Headroom before our very eyes.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:31 PM (Zz0t1)

179 Ace, I am Debby Downer (Piper Party Pooper?) about election integrity, but I am going to vote. And I live in Alabama, a state going for Trump no matter what. But I am still voting. I am going to hang on to hope here.

I'm in Ca. and I've never missed a vote
Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:27 PM (IyPmt)
________

I live in NYC although my official residence is my NJ "second" house. So I vote in NJ elections for whatever that's worth.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:31 PM (iFTx/)

180 Campus Reform: Ibram Kendi ‘anti-racist’ center at Boston University in freefall

Kendi’s center is reportedly suffering from numerous financial and organizational woes.

Kendi previously said it was ‘racist’ to point out the apparent mismanagement and dysfunction of the organization. This September, the center laid off more than 50 percent of its employees.

https://tinyurl.com/2pwuux8j

Via Instapundit.

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:31 PM (3OG+/)

181
I *might* have been a stay at home and not voting if the weather was bad on Election Day type. Before. But what the (D)'s have done to the man and he's persisted I can't help but venture forth in wind, rain, even tornado to cast my vote.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 27, 2024 12:32 PM (RKVpM)

182 What will happen to the polls after the media declares a red faced and incoherent Joe Biden the winner of the debate?
Posted by: Northernlurker at June 27, 2024 12:19 PM (JLq/1)

If history is any guide, Biden's numbers will improve slightly, briefly, and then return to where they're going to be.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:32 PM (IUd0M)

183 177 I continue to be amazed at talking heads on the radio that don’t understand 50%+1 arithmetic
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:31 PM (SlNuN)

========

Just wait until 269-269 week.

Talking heads need something to talk about.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:32 PM (GBKbO)

184 Did you all hear that CNN is going to have 29 fact checkers during the debate ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:32 PM (IyPmt)

185 172 165 Odds of Joe freezing up?
Posted by: Pudinhead at June 27, 2024 12:29 PM (n17eQ)

I think we're gonna get the Joe on speed...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:30 PM (IyPmt)

The blue stuff is almost ready!

Posted by: Heisenberg at June 27, 2024 12:32 PM (VGRuw)

186 "btw I heard an interview on the radio last night with Tulsi

she sounds .. frankly amazing. she would still be the best VP pick I think. she's got a great voice, great look, great name."

She's all that and a bag of chips - but I am thinking Ben Carson - a formerly violent brother from th' hood, who straightened out his life and became a prominent neurosurgeon. I think that will mean a lot for the black vote.

And - he is an actual Christian. That really will help.

Finally - he is from Detroit. Which is in Michigan. Which is a swing state. Were I Trump, after I picked him, I would instruct him not leave Michigan until the election and campaign within the state every day (but Sunday, of course - see above)

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at June 27, 2024 12:32 PM (zSyrn)

187 Did you all hear that CNN is going to have 29 fact checkers during the debate ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:32 PM (IyPmt)


It's CNN. It will be joke facting.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:33 PM (Zz0t1)

188 "I am going to hang on to hope here."

I'll cling to despair. Even if every one of our lying, corrupt, pandering Republicans beats every one of the lying, corrupt, pandering Dems, the nation is doomed. Sure, I'll vote; it costs me only a half-hour of my time. I don't expect anything good to result from it.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at June 27, 2024 12:33 PM (98J/K)

189 . . . Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024
*
I'm not sure what the second part has to do with the first part but it is pretty damn funny.
Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024

***
Hey, I just want more details. Many of us can relate.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 27, 2024 12:33 PM (J2vNu)

190 NJ?

Was it Elric's house that got hit in the rear by a Porky's truck?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:33 PM (3hJhH)

191 "Still my read on the polls and the mood of the nation is Trump is headed towards getting something north of 300 electoral votes, possibly into the 330 range. "

Perhaps if Trump really does get beyond the Cheat Potential (10-15%?), maybe the cheaters will back off, for fear of being caught and imprisoned?

Then the Trump landslide could happen. But it sure seems they plan to pull out all stops, invade the machines in real time, and already have truck loads of ballots with various peoples' signatures. Protesters will be arrested?

Posted by: illiniwek at June 27, 2024 12:34 PM (Cus5s)

192 B., did you mean the Laughton/O'Hara 1939 film The Hunchback of Notre Dame? There was a 1943 version of Phantom w/ Nelson Eddy, but not 1939 as far as I can tell.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius,

Damn, yes I did. Boy, did I screw that one up.
I had Lon Chaney, Sr. in my mind, obviously, because he starred in the originals of both.

It was The Hunchback of Notre Dame. With a lovely Maureen O'Hara.

And the rest of my observation stands.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:34 PM (v6JzV)

193 The danger for Trump will be if Biden drops out. There are a lot of people on the margins who would irrationally vote for “someone else”. Even if that person has demonstrably destroyed a state like California or Michigan.
Posted by: Truthbomb at June 27, 2024 12:21 PM (7gP3b)

Which is why the RNC, and every Republican candidate for any office, anywhere, needs to point out that Biden is a doctrinaire Democrat. Things aren't bad because Biden's brain is melting, they're bad because Democrat policies are shit and Biden is a Democrat.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:34 PM (IUd0M)

194 Trump needs to reiterate what the CEO of McDonald's said (not understanding he sounded like an idiot) that McDonald's prices have ONLY been raised 40% since the pandemic.

That was his counterargument to others saying it was a 100% increase.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 27, 2024 12:34 PM (JeYYB)

195 Did you all hear that CNN is going to have 29 fact checkers during the debate ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:32 PM (IyPmt)

I've said for 10 years they were eventually gonna do "live fact checking" to overlay on top of the screen. They came close last time by having it available online or on Twitter but I think eventually they will just cover the Republicans face with "LIE" whenever they speak.

Posted by: ... at June 27, 2024 12:35 PM (/WMOu)

196
It's CNN. It will be joke facting.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:33 PM (Zz0t1)

Supposedly they will be putting their results on the chyron during the debate... Show of hands for those who think they will be fact checking Joe ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:35 PM (IyPmt)

197 I hope they do whatever to Mudpants. Diapers, meth, speed- I don't give a fuck. He deserves it.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 27, 2024 12:35 PM (qZEuM)

198 also he's not going to drop out, and they can't make him. that dude REALLY knows how to hang on to kompromat
Posted by: BlackOrchid

And no Donk bothered to challenge him in the primary.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 27, 2024 12:35 PM (NMZN9)

199 Thanks for the correction, Wolfus.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:35 PM (v6JzV)

200 NJ?

Was it Elric's house that got hit in the rear by a Porky's truck?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 27, 2024 12:33 PM (3hJhH)

"This boy is deformed."

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:36 PM (jU8BU)

201 people are really struggling and if anything it's far worse in the blue zones - other than the very highest zip codes

--

Nothing about tonight's monkey show is going to change the fact that most of the entire country...low income to middle income people are very much struggling to get by in Biden's sh*tty economy. Budgets are busted just trying to buy groceries and gas, and nobody can afford a house anymore. Not to mention everybody is being impacted (severely in some parts) by this d-bag's Unprecedented Illegal Alien Invasion and Dissolved Borders palooza. The MFM can declare him the winner and nothing can stop what people are really feeling in their personal lives.

FWIW, I just drove from SC to Ohio a couple days ago and saw not one, single Biden bumper sticker, sign or flag on any house or car. I drove over 800 miles and saw nothing of support for him. Even though it wasn't a lot, I did see a smattering of Trump flags and a few bumper stickers.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 27, 2024 12:36 PM (mupln)

202 Elric's love life has been one mishap after the other.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 27, 2024 12:36 PM (JeYYB)

203 196
It's CNN. It will be joke facting.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:33 PM (Zz0t1)

Supposedly they will be putting their results on the chyron during the debate... Show of hands for those who think they will be fact checking Joe ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:35 PM (IyPmt)

Going to be funny when Joe repeats his inherited inflation lie, which has been debunked by CNN reporters (shocking, I know), not even get addressed tonight.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 27, 2024 12:36 PM (KbCG3)

204 Pollsters never call me, that I know of, but if one got a hold of me I damn sure would not tell them I was voting for Trump. I would tell them I am voting for that Hussein guy.

Posted by: fd at June 27, 2024 12:36 PM (vFG9F)

205 CNN actually has the opportunity to declare itself a true news organization tonight.

They will fail miserably.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:36 PM (Zz0t1)

206 192 Pirate movie Maureen O'hara, in technicolor, is the best.What a beaut.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 27, 2024 12:36 PM (V5eKu)

207 Maybe if Elric had had the young lady read poll results to him, the outcome that night would've been much, much different.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:25 PM (v6JzV)

She looked disappointed and said it's wilting.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:36 PM (IUd0M)

208 168 @143 Piper-Nowhere in my comment did I say or imply I was not going to vote.
Posted by: JROD at June 27, 2024

Never said you did. I was noting on the last thread that I am still of the belief the election will be rigged. I called myself out for being very pessimistic here, something I am typically not. But even though I am where I am, I am going to vote as a sign I am not going to succumb to my gloomy outlook. It was more me noting Ace is probably tired of my downer shizzle in this space, too. It wasn’t a criticism to you, how could I when I said something similar earlier?

Posted by: Piper at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM (pRpzT)

209
Then I remember that time in High School were I was sure I was about to lose my virginity -- the girl was right there, half-naked, and clearly good to go -- but that extreme sexual arousal turned into bewildering disappointment and aching blue balls.

Rejected.

Posted by: Penthouse Letters at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM (RKVpM)

210 "This boy is deformed."
Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:36 PM (jU8BU)

=====

I don't think Elric was born yet when Porky's came out.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM (DRSnL)

211 “ The idea that Democrats would be strengthened by getting all the way through a primary and then dumping the winner is a very curious one to me.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:22 PM (GBKbO)”

Look at the polling data. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but it shows a sizable portion who don’t want either candidate. Inexplicably a lot of those people gravitate towards a Biden replacement. You add that to people who are idiots and just don’t like Trump and we enter the danger zone. That’s always been the issue with Trump’s candidacy. I honestly don’t know how you look at what’s going on in our country and decide you’re totes OK with Democrats, any Democrat when for the last four years every one of them had voted for the policies on our economy and border, plus wokeness and say- well they’re not Biden so I’m good. That’s the danger in making this about Biden and not the entire party of communists.

Posted by: Truthbomb at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM (7gP3b)

212 Shoves vodka-kale smoothie to USB port for Ace*
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June
*
We need Ace’s creativity to come up with a name for our new product that is about to take the world by storm!
Posted by: Piper at June 27, 2024

***
"Green Speed"?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM (J2vNu)

213 Polls are next to useless but it's the only way the Big Money Doners can assess where to put their bets.

That's why they tend to lean Dem. But with these Poll Numbers coming in, the DNC is all but throwing in the towel. I see them abandoning the National Race and concentrating more on the Local races. The opposite of 2020.

wor

Posted by: Catherine at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM (JUpL6)

214 Just came across this, in Orestes Brownson, Conversations on Liberalism and the Church. It's a series of discussions between a journalist and a priest:

"THE journalist saw nothing in the priest’s answer to accept or deny. He could and would on no consideration whatever accept the infallibility of the Church. He did not profess to be a philosopher or a theologian, and seemed to regard a publicist as perfectly competent to sit in judgment on either....But the editor proceeded as if all statements that went beyond his knowledge, or against his theories, could be only a fable or a cunning invention."

That was published in 1868. Some things don't change.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM (1bNHn)

215 The trouble is... they are low-propensity voters.
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And that's why they are all discounting them.
Why they discounted them in 2016.

Yes they are low-propensity. Folks that work outside and with their hands. Folks discarded by the Dems and ignored by with disdain by the GOPe.
But when they are motivated, they make waves.

You know, like record inflation, weak leadership in the WH, wars and utter incompetence in the middle east, etc., etc.

A 5% increase in those voters is worth a 50% increase in suburban women

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 27, 2024 12:38 PM (Ow6Ls)

216 btw I heard an interview on the radio last night with Tulsi

she sounds .. frankly amazing....
Posted by: BlackOrchid

She played by their rules and they still cut her metaphorical throat. She's about as independent as they get.
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at June 27, 2024 12:28 PM (dzZCL)

She is one who seems to go on any platform she can get and say - never vote for any Democrat, ever.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:39 PM (IUd0M)

217 "low income to middle income people are very much struggling to get by"

Tell it, brother. The situation is dire.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at June 27, 2024 12:39 PM (98J/K)

218 The trouble is... they are low-propensity voters.
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Which means many will have already voted by the time they actually vote. So the press with tell us the far right MAGAts are stealing the election.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 27, 2024 12:39 PM (1bNHn)

219 We need Ace’s creativity to come up with a name for our new product that is about to take the world by storm!
Posted by: Piper at June 27, 2024

***
"Green Speed"?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM

Kale U Rite?

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 27, 2024 12:39 PM (ewjUl)

220 Still my read on the polls and the mood of the nation is Trump is headed towards getting something north of 300 electoral votes, possibly into the 330 range. The degrees of difficulty is actually getting into the White House.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram
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Hope you are right but to get him to 330 he would need: NV, AZ, GA, NC, VA, PA, MI, WI, and MN. I think he has a path to win and don't really care the count as long as it is 270 or more. 330 number would be an indictment on current policies, however.

Posted by: You'll Never Live it Down at June 27, 2024 12:39 PM (2bFN5)

221 211 Look at the polling data. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but it shows a sizable portion who don’t want either candidate. Inexplicably a lot of those people gravitate towards a Biden replacement. You add that to people who are idiots and just don’t like Trump and we enter the danger zone. That’s always been the issue with Trump’s candidacy. I honestly don’t know how you look at what’s going on in our country and decide you’re totes OK with Democrats, any Democrat when for the last four years every one of them had voted for the policies on our economy and border, plus wokeness and say- well they’re not Biden so I’m good. That’s the danger in making this about Biden and not the entire party of communists.
Posted by: Truthbomb at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM (7gP3b)

=======

They want a generic Democrat.

There's never a generic Democrat.

Instead, they'd get Gavin Newsom who would be defending his own terrible record in CA while promising to continue everything that Biden did that made him unpopular.

If Biden's negatives were because of his personal corruption, I could buy that replacing him would be good, but he's not unpopular because of that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:39 PM (GBKbO)

222
Blue Balls are sneered at by feminist wymyns but a very real thing. Painful.

Posted by: Auspex at June 27, 2024 12:39 PM (j4U/Z)

223 She is one who seems to go on any platform she can get and say - never vote for any Democrat, ever.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:39 PM (IUd0M)

I do like her... Wonder if there is a place for her in Trump's administration ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (IyPmt)

224 215 You know, like record inflation, weak leadership in the WH, wars and utter incompetence in the middle east, etc., etc.

A 5% increase in those voters is worth a 50% increase in suburban women
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 27, 2024 12:38 PM (Ow6Ls)

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And they don't show up for midterms.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (GBKbO)

225 off sock

Posted by: scampydog at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (2bFN5)

226 Thanks for the correction, Wolfus.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024

***
You had everything but the title. I'm not a monster Charles Laughton fan, though a strong one, and I was not aware he ever played the Phantom.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (J2vNu)

227 Trump probably has a bigger lead than polls indicate. Even if he does have a bigger lead, given 20’ and 22’ what are the significance of the polls? We have little to no say in ballot counting, we do not have control or presence in the streets to protest. The courts, rigged. This is the reality of it. I am not saying to give up, I’m more interested in when the F are we going to start pushing back, fighting back properly.

Posted by: JROD at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (IlL6s)

228 Instead, they'd get Gavin Newsom who would be defending his own terrible record in CA while promising to continue everything that Biden did that made him unpopular.

If Biden's negatives were because of his personal corruption, I could buy that replacing him would be good, but he's not unpopular because of that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:39 PM (GBKbO)


Newsom blamed Republicans for the state of the state of california. He's got the lingo down pat.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (Zz0t1)

229 CDR Salamander: INDOPACOM's Most Likely COA contra the PRC? I think it is called, "COA-Lotus"
"Hellscape" is to operational planning what "manscaping" is to masculinity

https://tinyurl.com/5autxe6a

Via...oh, you can guess.

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (jU8BU)

230 The Leftist perverted leeches are trying their best to take over Montana. They are a cancer. That is all.

Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (SHMXB)

231 Will there be livefeed debate alternatives to CNN?

Posted by: mrp at June 27, 2024 12:41 PM (rj6Yv)

232 Fact Check: Biden's Uncle Was Eaten By Cannibals

CNN Sez: Mostly True

Fact Check: Beau Was Crucified By the MAGAKKK in 1967 While Marching on Selma For Gay Rights

CNN Sez: 100% True

Fact Check: Trump Says Sky Blue

CNN Sez: False, the sky is sometimes grey and some experts say the sky has no actual color, Trump is stupid and this is his frillionth lie

Posted by: ... at June 27, 2024 12:41 PM (/WMOu)

233 LeBron Jordan. The greatest players at their time were saying things like I've never seen anything like this about Jordan. None

Posted by: Filler at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (fgIHt)

234 You know, it's harder to use fake info than real info on slightly retarded people.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (J8LnB)

235 I don't think Elric was born yet when Porky's came out.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM (DRSnL)

Holy crap, is he actually 29?!?

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (jU8BU)

236 231 Hack the feed off the bird.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (98J/K)

237
I'm not sure what the second part has to do with the first part but it is pretty damn funny.
Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024

***
Hey, I just want more details. Many of us can relate.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 27, 2024 12:33 PM (J2vNu)
______

I was sure this was the night. The girl was hot too, a few years older, and I was so very proud of myself that my first was gonna be a girl of that quality. So while on the one hand I'm thinking "I got this in the bag," on the other I was like "can this really be happening?"

Then the whole thing went to shit when her friends suddenly decided that they had to leave the party, and came looking for her.

But on the bright spot, it soon got around school that I -- a freshman -- was half naked with one of the hot girls in school -- who was a junior -- and after that all of the other girls wanted me. And the girl in question, to her credit, never denied what happened, or claimed she was drunk, or said anything to make me look bad.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (iFTx/)

238 PDT wins in an electoral landslide if RFK Jr. splits the D vote like i expect.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (tT6L1)

239 *Shoves vodka-kale smoothie to USB port for Ace*
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June

We need Ace’s creativity to come up with a name for our new product that is about to take the world by storm!
Posted by: Piper

"Kaboom!" is not recommended.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (v6JzV)

240 230 The Leftist perverted leeches are trying their best to take over Montana. They are a cancer. That is all.
Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (SHMXB)

I would think the severe winters would weed them out... I guess they spend them in their winter residences

Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (IyPmt)

241 The 9:00 pm debate time seems late for Joe.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (JeYYB)

242 We need Ace’s creativity to come up with a name for our new product that is about to take the world by storm!
Posted by: Piper at June 27, 2024

***
"Green Speed"?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM

Kale U Rite?
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 27, 2024 12:39 PM (ewjUl)

Chug-N-Spew

Posted by: spindrift at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (OguvZ)

243 I said it in the MR and I’ll repeat… I plan to avoid watching the debate tonight. Temptation may prevail and I’ll flick over…. But in my rational mind, I know that watching even 5 seconds of F Joe lies and yelling will cause my BP to skyrocket. Better to read a live thread here, if there’s gonna be one. Or maybe watch Prometheus! TJM h/t

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (SlNuN)

244 "FWIW, I just drove from SC to Ohio a couple days ago and saw not one, single Biden bumper sticker, sign or flag on any house or car. I drove over 800 miles and saw nothing of support for him. Even though it wasn't a lot, I did see a smattering of Trump flags and a few bumper stickers."

Pretty much the same here in *Massachusetts.*

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (qUkBO)

245 btw I heard an interview on the radio last night with Tulsi

she sounds .. frankly amazing. she would still be the best VP pick I think. she's got a great voice, great look, great name.
Posted by: BlackOrchid

We can back to the Batural Born Citizen arguments.
Everybody KNOWS there are only two kinds, except Samoans are neither - they are officially "nationals". Not saying Tulsi was born in Samoa to two Samoans, but if she were.
Samoans are also a 🥠

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (NMZN9)

246
I do like her... Wonder if there is a place for her in Trump's administration ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (IyPmt)


She's a vet. Put her as the head of Veterans Affairs. I'm betting she'd do a fantastic job.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (Zz0t1)

247 I'm still holding out for Democrats being unable to pull off the cheat and then demanding a redo of the election because they lost.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (GBKbO)

248 I heard this morning Biden, along with practicing how to stand, is practicing 1 liners. I really hope Trump just lets him speak and when he drops one of these practiced “sick burns”, Trump just stares and says “okay, Joe” or nothing at all.
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How about drumming his lectern, "buh-dump, tcsshh" after each one, like a bad comedy lounge act?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (Ow6Ls)

249 The College Fix: ‘Momentum undeniably growing’: More elite colleges look to end rename DEI hiring mandates

Edited for accuracy.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (IUd0M)

250 None of them said that about LeBron.

Posted by: Filler at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (fgIHt)

251 PDT wins in an electoral landslide if RFK Jr. splits the D vote like i expect.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (tT6L1)


What are the odds they let him on the ballot?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:44 PM (Zz0t1)

252 "Note that we are now at an inversion of the past situation -- a likely voter screen is now more Democratic,..."

Yes, by definition, a likely voter screen is more "democratic." The question is, is it more Democrat, or more Republican? You should drop the "-ic" on Democratic.

I don't like to play along with Democrats who insist they always get to refer to themselves as "Democratic." They're only democratic under duress; they'd rather steal elections than woo voters.

Posted by: bradc at June 27, 2024 12:44 PM (Pg5yA)

253 Man, those Samoans are a surly bunch.

Posted by: zombie Margaret Mead at June 27, 2024 12:44 PM (OguvZ)

254 She's a vet. Put her as the head of Veterans Affairs. I'm betting she'd do a fantastic job.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (Zz0t1)


Good idea...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:44 PM (IyPmt)

255 Samoans are also a 🥠
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM

And I would like to eat both.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 27, 2024 12:44 PM (ewjUl)

256 251 PDT wins in an electoral landslide if RFK Jr. splits the D vote like i expect.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (tT6L1)


What are the odds they let him on the ballot?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:44 PM (Zz0t1)

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Supposedly, he's on all 50, or close to it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:44 PM (GBKbO)

257 None of them said that about LeBron.
Posted by: Filler at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (fgIHt)


What, that he's overrated and can't win a championship without an all-star team around him? That he can't make other players better?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:45 PM (Zz0t1)

258 243 I said it in the MR and I’ll repeat… I plan to avoid watching the debate tonight. Temptation may prevail and I’ll flick over…. But in my rational mind, I know that watching even 5 seconds of F Joe lies and yelling will cause my BP to skyrocket. Better to read a live thread here, if there’s gonna be one. Or maybe watch Prometheus! TJM h/t

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (SlNuN)

The only reason to tune in would be to watch Joe self destruct.

That ain't going to happen. He'll do fine by the low-bar standards.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 27, 2024 12:45 PM (KbCG3)

259 I see TJM beat me to it.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:45 PM (tT6L1)

260 I continue to be amazed at talking heads on the radio that don’t understand 50%+1 arithmetic
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:31 PM (SlNuN)

They're in the bargaining phase.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:45 PM (IUd0M)

261 Preserving Our Democracy means never questioning the results of an election when a Democrat wins.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 27, 2024 12:46 PM (ao+jw)

262 165 Odds of Joe freezing up?

forty-two!

Posted by: deep thought at June 27, 2024 12:46 PM (sGtp+)

263 Samoans are also a 🥠
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher

What is that supposed to be? A gall bladder?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 27, 2024 12:46 PM (IG4Id)

264 > What is that supposed to be? A gall bladder?

PacMan with a prolapsed anus.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (Odg76)

265 None of them said that about LeBron.
Posted by: Filler at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (fgIHt)


What, that he's overrated and can't win a championship without an all-star team around him? That he can't make other players better?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:45 PM (Zz0t1)

I say the same thing about Jordan.

Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (SHMXB)

266 I don't think Elric was born yet when Porky's came out.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 27, 2024 12:37 PM (DRSnL)

Holy crap, is he actually 29?!?
Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM (jU8BU)
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Porky's was what, 1982? I was indeed born but very young. Too young to see or appreciate the movie at the time.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (iFTx/)

267 Samoans are also a 🥠
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher

What is that supposed to be? A gall bladder?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 27, 2024 12:46 PM (IG4Id)

I had to look it up too. Brave says t's a fortune cookie.

I don't know what that means in context.

Posted by: spindrift at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (OguvZ)

268 She's a vet. Put her as the head of Veterans Affairs. I'm betting she'd do a fantastic job.
Posted by: Sponge

I don't think the army uses mules much anymore, so I don't see how vet school would be relevant to the position.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (v6JzV)

269 258 243 I said it in the MR and I’ll repeat… I plan to avoid watching the debate tonight. Temptation may prevail and I’ll flick over…. But in my rational mind, I know that watching even 5 seconds of F Joe lies and yelling will cause my BP to skyrocket. Better to read a live thread here, if there’s gonna be one. Or maybe watch Prometheus! TJM h/t

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:43 PM (SlNuN)

The only reason to tune in would be to watch Joe self destruct.

That ain't going to happen. He'll do fine by the low-bar standards.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 27, 2024 12:45 PM (KbCG3)

So any drinking games planned?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (N39Ws)

270 Jordan changed the game, and could and did at a moment's notice take completely over any individual contest in a way that some people might do a few times per career.

These LeBron people either never saw Mike play or are gaslighting you because LeBron's a dumbshit leftard and Michael wouldn't bend the knee and said "Republicans buy shoes too".

Posted by: ... at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (/WMOu)

271 265
I say the same thing about Jordan.
Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (SHMXB)

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The minor league baseball player?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (GBKbO)

272 Supposedly, he's on all 50, or close to it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:44 PM (GBKbO)

i think the Democrats could have won if they'd have nominated RFK Jr; he was one of the only politicians who could have put the old coalitions together again. But I know that's a fantasy; his position on Fauci and Covid was like a Cross to Dracula for them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (wyMQY)

273 End Wokeness
@EndWokeness

8 armed men rob a jewelry store in Denver, pointing guns at customers while vioIentIy assauIting staff.

Police say they're all Hispanic males with Venezuelan accents.

Likely linked to the illegal migrant influx.

tinyurl.com/4yc46mc3

Posted by: redridinghood at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (NpAcC)

274
I say the same thing about Jordan.
Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (SHMXB)


Jordan and Kobe won multiple championships by making the players around them better.

Lebron can't sniff their jocks.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (Zz0t1)

275 Right as directed by Uncle Joe

MRC Free Speech America uncovered proof of Google’s bias and censorship through two separate sets of search queries. First, MRC researchers analyzed the Google Search results for the six presidential candidates still in the race Tuesday. When searching for a candidate's name and the words “presidential race 2024,” Google completely buried Trump and elevated Biden as the first search result. In fact, the tech giant excluded the only two major pro-life candidates from the top-3 search results, singling out Trump and Constitution Party candidate for president Randall Terry.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (ENQN6)

276 Porky's was what, 1982? I was indeed born but very young. Too young to see or appreciate the movie at the time.
Posted by: Elric Blade


Get at least 100 yards away from my lawn.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (v6JzV)

277 If Trump wins the popular vote, I'm predicting a major setback to the NPVIC campaign.

Posted by: mrp at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (rj6Yv)

278 Looks like Elric and I are about the same age.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 27, 2024 12:49 PM (Odg76)

279 I just heard Journey's "Don't Stop Believin" on the radio, so make of that what you will.

Posted by: pookysgirl, hanging in there at June 27, 2024 12:49 PM (dtlDP)

280 Jordan *made* his teams better. Scottie Pippen would have been just a forgotten above average player if he was on the Raptors.

Posted by: ... at June 27, 2024 12:49 PM (/WMOu)

281 Should be a hell of a lot higher

Posted by: Gonzotx at June 27, 2024 12:49 PM (BBKJB)

282 272 i think the Democrats could have won if they'd have nominated RFK Jr; he was one of the only politicians who could have put the old coalitions together again. But I know that's a fantasy; his position on Fauci and Covid was like a Cross to Dracula for them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (wyMQY)

========

Repudiate the party as it is. Initiate nostalgia for the party as it never was but people imagine it to have been.

I mean, it might have worked.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:49 PM (GBKbO)

283 I say the same thing about Jordan.
Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (SHMXB)

No bacon for you!

Posted by: spindrift at June 27, 2024 12:49 PM (OguvZ)

284 Play Brandon's depo tape.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (QSrLX)

285 What, that he's overrated and can't win a championship without an all-star team around him? That he can't make other players better?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:45 PM (Zz0t1)

I say the same thing about Jordan.
Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (SHMXB)

Heresy!! That’s it…. Put up yer dukes!!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (SlNuN)

286
Police say they're all Hispanic males with Venezuelan accents.

Likely linked to the illegal migrant influx.

tinyurl.com/4yc46mc3
Posted by: redridinghood

I thought this would be posted by Cap't Obvious.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (qXHYf)

287 Porky's was 1982? And Jordan is dissing Elric's youth?

Look in the mirror, young lady!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (tT6L1)

288 Drinking game for the debate:

Start drinking now. Quit sometime after November 5th.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (2UnvF)

289 Republicans are more likely to cooperate with the media. Really.

Posted by: From about That Time at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (4780s)

290 Trump will rightfully be in jail during the election. Laws will be passed to prevent an incarcerated felon from election eligibility. How would he even govern from a cell on Riker's?

Posted by: Sid at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (mkn5w)

291 279 I just heard Journey's "Don't Stop Believin" on the radio, so make of that what you will.

Posted by: pookysgirl, hanging in there at June 27, 2024 12:49 PM (dtlDP)

A song that should've been put away in the vault about two decades ago, only to be unleashed upon the world again in the year 2075.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (KbCG3)

292 285 I say the same thing about Jordan.
Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (SHMXB)

Heresy!! That’s it…. Put up yer dukes!!
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (SlNuN)

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Nah. Jordan could have won championships alone.

1 against 5.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (GBKbO)

293 I expect RNC 2024 to be a repeat of the RNC 2020 Panderfest. "We LOVE immigrants! We LOVE violent criminals! They deserve our prayers, and multiple Second Chances!"

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (98J/K)

294 I thought this would be posted by Cap't Obvious.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (qXHYf)
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*shrugs shoulders*

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (3Fz6p)

295 Drinking game for the debate.

Bleach.

Support the Home Team.

Posted by: ... at June 27, 2024 12:51 PM (/WMOu)

296 Posted by: Sid at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (mkn5w)

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I mean...you're real dumb.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:51 PM (GBKbO)

297
PDT wins in an electoral landslide if RFK Jr. splits the D vote like i expect.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:42 PM

The conditions are almost exactly the same as the 1980 election. Unpopular president running for reelection, lousy economy, high inflation.... Third party candidate takes about 8% away from Carter and Reagan wins in a landslide. I'm seeing RFK Jr around the same 8% mark.

The (R)'s should be helping RFK get on every states ballot.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 27, 2024 12:51 PM (RKVpM)

298 I'm not invested enough to go look for myself, but is there a D/R/I breakdown of the respondents? Who answered the phone more is irrelevant if they ended up calling twice as many Ds.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 27, 2024 12:51 PM (F4bAW)

299 Competent to stand trial?
Competent to hold executive office?
sweaty costumed cartoon hero meme

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 27, 2024 12:51 PM (QSrLX)

300 Posted by: Sid at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (mkn5w)
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Pretty sure Spicoli thinks you're a dick.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 27, 2024 12:52 PM (3Fz6p)

301 I do like her... Wonder if there is a place for her in Trump's administration ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 27, 2024 12:40 PM (IyPmt)

SecDef, maybe. She's former military and not JAG.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:52 PM (IUd0M)

302 277 If Trump wins the popular vote, I'm predicting a major setback to the NPVIC campaign.
Posted by: mrp at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (rj6Yv)

The funny thing about NPV is that, were it in place, a republican popular vote victory would result in an electoral landslide, possibly 100%. Followed by lot's of screeching as Democrat strongholds like CA and NY are forced to misrepresent their voters and vote for the R.

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at June 27, 2024 12:52 PM (VGRuw)

303 Presumably any mention of a Trump lead must be talked about the way the media talks about Hunter's cocaine. If Biden had a lead, it would be talked about in the way that a guy talks about his penis size.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 27, 2024 12:53 PM (B9Prs)

304 It's funny... Through no particular fault of Trump's, I went from a two- time Trump voter to a zero-propensity voter.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 27, 2024 12:53 PM (0FoWg)

305 Pirate movie Maureen O'hara, in technicolor, is the best.What a beaut.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Despite my fondness for redheads, I've never been a huge O'Hara fan, especially in her flics with John Wayne. I think it was her hairstyle. Made her face too severe and hard.

In Hunchback, however, her face was much softer. I think that it was because they gave her curls around her face that softened her look considerably. She truly is lovely in that film.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:53 PM (v6JzV)

306 Fraud’s gonna be fantastic, the ubama machine’s been running at capacity since 2016. But they can burn it after November.

Posted by: Eromero at June 27, 2024 12:53 PM (o2ZRX)

307 -----------
Pretty sure Spicoli thinks you're a dick.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 27, 2024 12:52 PM (3Fz6p)


Alright Captain!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at June 27, 2024 12:53 PM (Zz0t1)

308 Jordan and Kobe won multiple championships by making the players around them better.

Lebron can't sniff their jocks.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (Zz0t1)

I’m no fan of Lebron. I’m just saying Jordan didn’t win a championship until Bird And Magic were done and Detroit had their fill. And Pippen and Rodman were already better than good. They made Jordan’s team good enough to finally win championships.

Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 12:54 PM (SHMXB)

309 > Nah. Jordan could have won championships alone.

Funny thing, statistically when Jordan had an "amazing" game, the Bulls usually lost. When one player is getting 50+ points, the other players are underutilized.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 27, 2024 12:54 PM (Odg76)

310 276 Porky's was what, 1982? I was indeed born but very young. Too young to see or appreciate the movie at the time.
Posted by: Elric Blade


Get at least 100 yards away from my lawn.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (v6JzV)

Porky's....the movie that introduced the "glory hole" to Americana.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 27, 2024 12:54 PM (N39Ws)

311 There's video out of Tulsi doing some shoot and scoot. She's not fast but she's smooth and a decent shot.

I think she may also be getting her head around the Second Amendment.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:54 PM (tT6L1)

312 There's a subplot in Porky's about a Jew who learns to fight because he's always being shit on by anti-semites?

When I finally saw the movie, I never understood that part because I grew up in NYC and my community had a big Jewish population. I never saw anti-semitism before.

Little did I know that decades later, my advice to all Jews facing these donkey-fucking sand rats would be: "Learn to fight."

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:54 PM (iFTx/)

313 Porky's was what, 1982? I was indeed born but very young. Too young to see or appreciate the movie at the time.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 27, 2024 12:47 PM (iFTx/)

Pure poetry. A bright, shining star in the firmament of American filmmaking. Better than Prometheus.

Posted by: mrp at June 27, 2024 12:54 PM (rj6Yv)

314 I just heard Journey's "Don't Stop Believin" on the radio, so make of that what you will.
Posted by: pookysgirl
_________

Sopranos fans are trying to figure that out to this day.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 27, 2024 12:55 PM (Dm8we)

315 I read that as 'Sinnema' poll and starting thinking about CFM boots...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at June 27, 2024 12:55 PM (xcxpd)

316 Nah. Jordan could have won championships alone.

1 against 5.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (GBKbO)

Yep. I used to watch a lot of NBA… late 70s through circa 2012…. Jordan was by far the best I ever saw. Amazing athleticism and skills plus a killer instinct and mental toughness LeBron could never touch. That “flu” game in 98 (it was actually food poisoning) is a perfect example of that mental toughness. I think he was probably the best competitor in any team sport in my lifetime

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (SlNuN)

317 I’m just saying Jordan didn’t win a championship until Bird And Magic were done and Detroit had their fill. And Pippen and Rodman were already better than good. They made Jordan’s team good enough to finally win championships.
Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 12:54 PM (SHMXB)


I think Phil Jackson had a LOT to do with the wins. The best thing he did was move Jordan away from the point guard spot. They got IMMEDIATELY better letting him move away from the ball and playing shooting forward.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (Zz0t1)

318 Unfortunately, the dem wing of uniparty has a strong lock on no-propensity voters, like the dead and the non-existent.

Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Do Not Kill at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (gxokI)

319 What, that he's overrated and can't win a championship without an all-star team around him? That he can't make other players better?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:45 PM (Zz0t1)

Sponge, the greatest at that time, Bird and Johnson said I've never seen anything like this about Jordan. Let's keep puffing up the farce of LeBron.

Posted by: Filler at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (fgIHt)

320 I read that as 'Sinnema' poll and starting thinking about CFM boots...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at June 27, 2024 12:55 PM (xcxpd)


I actually thought similar.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (Zz0t1)

321 247 I'm still holding out for Democrats being unable to pull off the cheat and then demanding a redo of the election because they lost.
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Any chance they will insurrect so we can visit some Pelosi justice on their ass?

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (n17eQ)

322 Posted by: Sid at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (mkn5w)

Eligibility is governed by the US Constitution. They can pass as many laws as they like but it won't matter. Natural born citizen, at least 35 and a resident for at least 14 years...felony? Constitution says, "No problem!"

Rikers? He could get an entire wing to himself. Congress just needs to make sure to forward legislation to the correct place.

Shouldn't you be at the doctor's office getting your dose of PReP?

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (ip4QZ)

323 Tulsi Gabbard is a lefty. She's not a lunatic, but she's still a lefty.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (2UnvF)

324 The only reason to tune in would be to watch Joe self destruct.

That ain't going to happen. He'll do fine by the low-bar standards.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 27, 2024

***
If the self-destruct happens, it won't be in the first half-hour. F. Joke can probably handle that much. I plan to give it that long and no longer unless there are hints of drama to come.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 27, 2024 12:57 PM (J2vNu)

325 "Porky's was what, 1982?"

1977-1983 was the era of naked teenagers, and even naked pre-teens, on the Big Screen, the world over. It was the style at the time.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at June 27, 2024 12:57 PM (98J/K)

326 I was a low-propensity voter from 2014-2020. Just for Trump. That's it, the rest of the Uniparty could get fucked as far as I was concerned, by then. But the intervening years of Trump's administration hardened my inclination to abandon voting altogether.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 27, 2024 12:57 PM (0FoWg)

327 322 Eligibility is governed by the US Constitution. They can pass as many laws as they like but it won't matter. Natural born citizen, at least 35 and a resident for at least 14 years...felony? Constitution says, "No problem!"

Rikers? He could get an entire wing to himself. Congress just needs to make sure to forward legislation to the correct place.

Shouldn't you be at the doctor's office getting your dose of PReP?
Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (ip4QZ)

========

Men have run for president from prison. The Socialist candidate at one point. 1916? 1936? I can't remember.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:57 PM (GBKbO)

328 BabylonBee: Trump Tests Positive For Diet Coke In Pre-Debate Drug Test

Posted by: Neo at June 27, 2024 12:58 PM (RHGPo)

329 323 Tulsi Gabbard is a lefty. She's not a lunatic, but she's still a lefty.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (2UnvF)

Yes. But a 1.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at June 27, 2024 12:58 PM (xcxpd)

330 270 Jordan changed the game
Posted by: ... at June 27, 2024 12:48 PM (/WMOu)

Yeah, taking four steps to the basket while the officials looked the other way was revolutionary.

Posted by: Auspex at June 27, 2024 12:58 PM (j4U/Z)

331 I've never seen "Porky's."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:58 PM (v6JzV)

332 Trump, ever the showman, will announce his VP pick during the debate.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at June 27, 2024 12:58 PM (xaNfJ)

333 Let's keep puffing up the farce of LeBron.
Posted by: Filler at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (fgIHt)


I can't stand him, find him incredibly overrated and hate the fact that he's the all time scoring leader. The fact that he's chosen to inject himself into politics makes me dislike him even more.

Oh, and the kids in his 'school' can't pass the state math exams, so he even sucks at his 'charity.'

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:58 PM (Zz0t1)

334 When Biden tries any snark to try to provoke Trump, he should just look at him and say "That's the best you've got? You spent a week working on that? Meanwhile American women and girls are getting raped and murdered by illegals you let into the country, people are working multiple jobs just to buy food and gas and pay the rent, and you took a week off to come up with one-liners. Good job, Joe."

Posted by: the dandy at June 27, 2024 12:59 PM (L+5ng)

335 If Joe makes it to the podium tonight without getting lost, he'll have already exceeded my expectations.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 27, 2024 12:59 PM (tT6L1)

336 Posted by: Sid at June 27, 2024 12:50 PM (mkn5w)

1. Maybe.
2. Ex-post facto laws are unconstitutional.
3. Pen and phone, bitch, just like the guy who's ass you sniff.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:59 PM (IUd0M)

337 Men have run for president from prison. The Socialist candidate at one point. 1916? 1936? I can't remember.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 12:57 PM (GBKbO)
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Eugene Debs.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 27, 2024 12:59 PM (3Fz6p)

338 LOL but see the Daily Mail touting a poll that has Trump only up by 6 in ... Texas.

Sure,

OTOH Cruz ? Is he even running? Because he's invisible as far as I've seen.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 27, 2024 12:59 PM (Ow6Ls)

339 I've never seen "Porky's."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:58 PM (v6JzV)


Did you spend your youth in space? In a cave? Are you the GEICO Caveman?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:59 PM (Zz0t1)

340 Just a friendly reminder that out Founding Fathers were Felons too.

Posted by: BearManPig at June 27, 2024 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

341 Yes. But a 1.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards


If you're into pockmarks.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 01:00 PM (v6JzV)

342 340 Just a friendly reminder that out Founding Fathers were Felons too.
Posted by: BearManPig at June 27, 2024 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

========

Insurrectionists.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 01:00 PM (GBKbO)

343 “Police say they're all Hispanic males with Venezuelan accents.

Likely linked to the illegal migrant influx.”

Californians have made Colorado, East California and disarmed the populace. This is what’s to come of your state has been invaded by liberals.

Posted by: Vengeance at June 27, 2024 01:00 PM (ofdHm)

344 Men have run for president from prison. The Socialist candidate at one point. 1916? 1936? I can't remember.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024

***
Debs, I think; that would have been '16.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 27, 2024 01:01 PM (J2vNu)

345 2. Ex-post facto laws are unconstitutional.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 27, 2024 12:59 PM (IUd0M)

Really?

Huh.

Learn something new every day.

Posted by: Congress at June 27, 2024 01:01 PM (ip4QZ)

346 341 Yes. But a 1.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

If you're into pockmarks.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 01:00 PM (v6JzV)

The body makes up for the butter (pineapple?) face

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at June 27, 2024 01:01 PM (xcxpd)

347 Did you spend your youth in space? In a cave? Are you the GEICO Caveman?
Posted by: Sponge

1982? There were too many hot girls in my hometown to keep my attention. Didn't need some vulgar movie to stimulate me.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 01:01 PM (v6JzV)

348 NBA has changed quite a bit since refs were on the verge of calling a foul on Joe Dumars for touching Jordan's hand during pre-game handshake.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at June 27, 2024 01:02 PM (xi6HG)

349 That penis had a mole on it !

Posted by: Buelah Ballbreaker at June 27, 2024 01:02 PM (NtVYv)

350 290 Trump will rightfully be in jail during the election. Laws will be passed to prevent an incarcerated felon from election eligibility. How would he even govern from a cell on Riker's?
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Simple. Order the Marines to invade NYC.

Posted by: Pudinhead at June 27, 2024 01:02 PM (n17eQ)

351 339 I've never seen "Porky's."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024 12:58 PM (v6JzV)


Did you spend your youth in space? In a cave? Are you the GEICO Caveman?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:59 PM (Zz0t1)

------------------------------------

I think I've still got the Porky's video game for Atari.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 27, 2024 01:02 PM (F4bAW)

352 Just a friendly reminder that out Founding Fathers were Felons too.
Posted by: BearManPig at June 27, 2024 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

Insurrectionists.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 27, 2024 01:00 PM (GBKbO)

Treasonous traitors, even.

Posted by: Robert at June 27, 2024 01:02 PM (ip4QZ)

353 Please lets have a moment when Biden incoherently says something and Trump, bewildered, says "What the hell did you just mumble joe?"

Posted by: WisRich at June 27, 2024 01:03 PM (G0vdT)

354 "Funny thing, statistically when Jordan had an "amazing" game, the Bulls usually lost. When one player is getting 50+ points, the other players are underutilized."

But Jordon sold more shoes with those big nights. I'm guessing he made more money on endorsements than from the Bulls.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 27, 2024 01:03 PM (Cus5s)

355 Nood

Posted by: Zeera the ungoverened at June 27, 2024 01:03 PM (vwH1j)

356 Did you spend your youth in space? In a cave? Are you the GEICO Caveman?
Posted by: Sponge
*
1982? There were too many hot girls in my hometown to keep my attention. Didn't need some vulgar movie to stimulate me.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 27, 2024

***
In '82 I was living with the future Mrs. Wolfus No. 2. The screen girls had nothing on her.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 27, 2024 01:03 PM (J2vNu)

357 Yeah, taking four steps to the basket while the officials looked the other way was revolutionary.
Posted by: Auspex at June 27, 2024 12:58 PM (j4U/Z)

LMAO, it kind of was, but that is some wild summary of Jordan's game. Maybe the most wild I've ever read.

Posted by: ... at June 27, 2024 01:04 PM (/WMOu)

358 ------------------------------------

I think I've still got the Porky's video game for Atari.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 27, 2024 01:02 PM (F4bAW)


Bonus points if you still have an Atari.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 01:04 PM (Zz0t1)

359 You dirty little pervert !

Posted by: Buelah Ballbricker at June 27, 2024 01:04 PM (NtVYv)

360 And people are saying Jordan was a stat padder now? Insanity. Beyond insanity.

Posted by: ... at June 27, 2024 01:05 PM (/WMOu)

361 I'd like Trump to show a half-hour or so late. Why? He could say that this was their own little drug test. Biden was likely prepped for a narrow window and that Trump wants to play with that.

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at June 27, 2024 01:05 PM (zSyrn)

362 This Jordan controversy is bullshit. Everyone pumped stats in those days, it washed out.
The voters vote with their eyes, and the other players know what's what.
Jordan as deserving of a DPoY as anyone. And he deserves to be in the same GOAT other than Russell convoy also

Posted by: From about That Time at June 27, 2024 01:05 PM (4780s)

363 > Yeah, taking four steps to the basket while the officials looked the other way was revolutionary.

I don't remember him doing that a lot. What he did do, many many times, was moving his feet all over the place before the drive. He'd establish a pivot foot, then do a little Muhammad Ali quick shuffle, then drive to the basket. It's a lot easier to beat your guard if they can't tell which way you're going to drive because your pivot foot keeps changing.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 27, 2024 01:05 PM (Odg76)

364 358 ------------------------------------

I think I've still got the Porky's video game for Atari.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 27, 2024 01:02 PM (F4bAW)


Bonus points if you still have an Atari.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 01:04 PM (Zz0t1)

------------------------------

I've got the Sears knock-off. Does that count?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at June 27, 2024 01:06 PM (F4bAW)

365 Let’s go ahead and hold the election to double check the results.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 27, 2024 01:06 PM (tAhMh)

366 Whoops! Taq got a comment about Trump showing up late before I did. Sorry about that!

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at June 27, 2024 01:07 PM (zSyrn)

367 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 27, 2024 12:56 PM (Zz0t1)

Can’t disagree that Jackson was an integral part. Again Jordan started in the league in 1984 but didn’t win a championship until 1991.

Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 01:08 PM (SHMXB)

368 Jordan was a stat padder who did best in losses and traveled all the time which is what made him good.

This is wild stuff. I'm learning so much.

Posted by: ... at June 27, 2024 01:09 PM (/WMOu)

369 don't remember him doing that a lot. What he did do, many many times, was moving his feet all over the place before the drive. He'd establish a pivot foot, then do a little Muhammad Ali quick shuffle, then drive to the basket. It's a lot easier to beat your guard if they can't tell which way you're going to drive because your pivot foot keeps changing.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 27, 2024 01:05 PM (Odg76)

The worse thing he did that they overlooked and changed the game for the worse and became his signature move was the carry cross over.

Posted by: polynikes at June 27, 2024 01:13 PM (SHMXB)

370 And people are saying Jordan was a stat padder now? Insanity. Beyond insanity.
Posted by: ...


Jord as n: I'm just that good. Stop me if you can. If you can't, tough shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 27, 2024 01:16 PM (xjJnc)

371 And in today's "winning" local news story there is this headline: "Mother kills children for religious reasons." Elsewhere in the article it is noted that she had mental health problems. Uhh, d'oh, but reporter had to make it about the fact that the woman is supposedly religious, but let's forget about the people who reject religious faith and are transgender who kill children and adults.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 27, 2024 01:26 PM (oUxZc)

372 #371-Posted wrong place. Sorry.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 27, 2024 01:27 PM (oUxZc)

373 We need a MAGA election poll guide that estimates the Margin of Steal ( MOS) in each State -- sort of like the weight added to a jockey's saddle to make races more 'competitive'.
It's assumed the MOS is infinity in Philadelphia, Maricopa et al
Fortunately there are other precincts that will be less 'challenging'--the MAGA turnout will need to be YUGE -- too big to rig as the Orange Man sayeth.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at June 27, 2024 01:51 PM (fxvxc)

374 Run polls until the cows turn blue, the ultimate solution will be the .62 cent one because things WILL NOT magically alleviate. The left won't allow it.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at June 27, 2024 02:25 PM (hKoQL)

375 This must be as hard for the NYT's to print the truth like a Vampire in the Sunlight

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 27, 2024 04:11 PM (wGqjj)

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