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CNN Poll Analyst: Trump Is On the Path to a Historic Performance With Black Voters
Trump has significantly shrunk his deficit with President Joe Biden among black Americans in the six battleground states, with the current president leading the former president 70% to 18%, a May New York Times/Siena College poll found. Enten, on "CNN News Central," was stunned by how Trump is performing with black Americans as a Republican candidate, as well as how unpopular Biden is becoming with these voters. "I keep looking for this to change, to go back to a historical norm and it, simply put, has not yet. So this is the margin, or ,Biden and Trump among black voters, compare where we were at this point in 2020, compare to where we are now. At this point, look at this. In 2020, Joe Biden was getting 86% of the African American vote. Look at where it is now. It's 70%, that's a 16-point drop, John," Enten told host John Berman. "And more than that, it's not just that Joe Biden is losing ground. It's that Donald Trump is gaining ground. You go from 7%, single-digits at this point in 2020, to now 21% and again, John, I keep looking for signs that this is going to go back to normal and I don't see it yet in the polling of anything right now. We're careening towards a historic performance for a Republican presidential candidate, the likes of which we have not seen in six decades." Enten told Berman that Biden is not losing as many older black voters, but is hemorrhaging the youth. "This is where we get very interesting," Enten said. "So I decided to deep dive deeper into the cross tabs, figure out where is it that Joe Biden is truly struggling among black voters. All right, so this is black voters, Biden versus Trump margin. Look at black voters age fifty and older and you'll see it. Look, Joe Biden was leading amongst this group at this point by 83 points back in 2020. Now, it's 74 points, so yeah, a slight decline in that margin, but nothing out of this world." "Look at black voters under the age of 50," the data reporter continued. "Holy cow, folks, holy cow. Look at this. Joe Biden was up by 80 points among this group back at this point in 2020, look at where that margin has careened down towards. It's now just, get this, 37 points. That lead has dropped by more than half, Mr. Berman. I've just never seen anything like this. I'm like speechless because you always look at history and you go, 'okay, this is a historic moment.' If this polling is anywhere near correct, we're looking at a historic moment right now, where black voters under the age of 50, which have historically been such a big part of the democratic coalition, are leaving in droves."
‘I'm Like Speechless': CNN's Harry Enten Says Trump 'Careening Towards A Historic Performance' With Black Voters pic.twitter.com/aEKh3WPIDG
— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) June 17, 2024
Wow!! 💥 It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024. These voters include more conservative Republicans, many of which are tired of Trump’s chaos & unpredictability. They want stability & their SocSecurity & Medicare protected. ❤️👍 pic.twitter.com/9vWerfGhKe
— Beep🇺🇸🇺🇦 (@fiercefreckled) January 12, 2024
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Hola
Posted by: Thanatopsis at June 17, 2024 01:00 PM (8RNuU)
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Top 5?!?
Posted by: GM27, SEP Field Technician at June 17, 2024 01:01 PM (pgwxJ)
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Really? The claim is 65 year olds are worried about SS? If they're just now worrying about SS, then they were already Joe voters.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 01:03 PM (tT6L1)
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Minorities flocking to Trump! Biden looking good for reelection!
Posted by: Lies, Damned Lies, and Polls at June 17, 2024 01:03 PM (qUkBO)
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hypothesizes that the attacks on Joe Biden as incompetent may be turning voters away from Republicans. And maybe sympathizing with someone in a situation similar to their own.
I've worried about that. It doesn't seem farfetched at all.
Don't sweat it. Most of the 65+ people angry about making fun of Joe's dementia because they have it, too, won't remember they hate Trump after a few days.
I've worried about that. It doesn't seem farfetched at all.
Don't sweat it. Most of the 65+ people angry about making fun of Joe's dementia because they have it, too, won't remember they hate Trump after a few days.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 17, 2024 01:04 PM (JCZqz)
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How did the Junta not know importing millions of illegals was going to anger the Black community?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 01:05 PM (tT6L1)
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This is not new, I surmised in 2019 that "they" needed a distraction of some sort, Mr. Trump was cruising easily to re-election especially because of historic gains in non-traditional voters, shall we say. He did not prevail in 2016 without major inroads of Democrat (or formerly Democrat) voters. I'm talking about the internal polling they do. They know how voting trends work with a high degree of accuracy.
That's why they went to DefCon 1 in 2020 with the ah, "fortification" of the ballots, and what's interesting is the trend has apparently not reversed, indeed it is accelerating.
That's why they went to DefCon 1 in 2020 with the ah, "fortification" of the ballots, and what's interesting is the trend has apparently not reversed, indeed it is accelerating.
Posted by: Common Tater at June 17, 2024 01:05 PM (8RZMB)
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I can't afford groceries! Those damned Republicans!
Posted by: Ann I. Diot, Chelmsford, MA at June 17, 2024 01:05 PM (qUkBO)
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many of which are tired of Trump's chaos & unpredictability.
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When DNC narrative is included in poll "results" the poll can be safely ignored.
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When DNC narrative is included in poll "results" the poll can be safely ignored.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:06 PM (BvTrf)
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It’s is no longer an economic or policy issue for black males. Supporting Trump is now seen as cool or whatever vernacular you want to use. This is a major change.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 17, 2024 01:07 PM (u73oe)
Posted by: WisRich at June 17, 2024 01:07 PM (G0vdT)
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Despite getting 80% of the white vote, 45% of the Black and Hispanic votes and 30% of the Asian vote- Trump lost the election in this white majority nation.
Future CNN headline.
Future CNN headline.
Posted by: Darth Randall at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (xT7BI)
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These voters include more conservative Republicans, many of which are tired of Trump’s chaos & unpredictability. They want stability & their SocSecurity & Medicare protected.
Why, that doesn't sound focus group-tested at all.
Why, that doesn't sound focus group-tested at all.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (xCA6C)
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MSNBC is claiming, however, that Trump is losing voters 65 and older to Biden.
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Well, yes. That includes the graveyard vote.
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Well, yes. That includes the graveyard vote.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (Dm8we)
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When DNC narrative is included in poll "results" the poll can be safely ignored.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:06 PM (BvTrf)
Unlike a Chuck Schumer cheeseburger.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:06 PM (BvTrf)
Unlike a Chuck Schumer cheeseburger.
Posted by: mrp at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (rj6Yv)
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Ok, explain this to me. PDT got nothing like these numbers from minorities in 2016, yet he won, handily. Now he has all these minority voters, which is doubled as a net loss to Biden (TRump gains 5%, Joe loses 5%, net gain for PST 10%) so then why is Trump not running away with this election? DOesn't make sense, unless he's just closing the margins in big urban areas where Biden will win anyway. I guess it helps Trumps pop vote margin, but does it matter in the big picture?
Posted by: docweasel at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (Lrqbp)
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If you're 65 or so, most likely, you've experience with a dementia patient, whether a relative or a friend.
If you're a sane human being, you know there's no way you'd trust a dementia patient to run the country.
So, no, attacking Joe's dementia isn't going to drive voters away from Trump.
Again those voters who are appalled at the idea of pointing out the very real and obvious cognitive decline of Joe were always going to vote Joe anyway. Yeah, I'm talking to the likes of you, Jonah, Billy and David.
If you're a sane human being, you know there's no way you'd trust a dementia patient to run the country.
So, no, attacking Joe's dementia isn't going to drive voters away from Trump.
Again those voters who are appalled at the idea of pointing out the very real and obvious cognitive decline of Joe were always going to vote Joe anyway. Yeah, I'm talking to the likes of you, Jonah, Billy and David.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (tT6L1)
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Trump did not terminate abortion rights, and neither did SCOTUS. They simply tossed it back to the states. Nobody is keeping you from an abortion, girls. Hop a plane or drive your car to a state where it's legal, is all you need to do.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (J2vNu)
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"Murdering Joe hypothesizes that the attacks on Joe Biden as incompetent may be turning voters away from Republicans."
To be fair, Joe Biden was incompetent long before he turned 65.
To be fair, Joe Biden was incompetent long before he turned 65.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (cwX5v)
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Yeh. I'm not buying Trump losing Republican Seniors...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (Akjoo)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (Dxwuy)
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...and Arizona goes to Biden.
Posted by: Bret Baier in November at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (Ybyk2)
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This is nonsense. Every general election cycle we get this story. Every general election we find out it was bull excrement. Sure, there may be a handful more black voters of the male persuasion over age 35. But, just like every election before this one...female black voters will go over 90% for Biden or whomever they throw in the Dem ring. It's a given and always always always harked on before each general election.
Posted by: Orson at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (dIske)
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"We're careening towards a historic performance for a Republican presidential candidate, the likes of which we have not seen in six decades."
Yeah, and go back further and (most?) blacks were running and winning as Republicans.
Yeah, and go back further and (most?) blacks were running and winning as Republicans.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (Cus5s)
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Red Wave!
Posted by: gp's Uncured Ballot Soppressata at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (MvF+J)
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21 The steal will be historic this year...
If history even remembers our short-lived empire.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
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I doubt it.
If history even remembers our short-lived empire.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
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I doubt it.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:10 PM (/0X3E)
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Again those voters who are appalled at the idea of pointing out the very real and obvious cognitive decline of Joe were always going to vote Joe anyway. Yeah, I'm talking to the likes of you, Jonah, Billy and David.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (tT6L1)
Denial. Denialism in the shit world they created.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (tT6L1)
Denial. Denialism in the shit world they created.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at June 17, 2024 01:10 PM (9XLJb)
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MSNBC is claiming, however, that Trump is losing voters 65 and older to Biden. Republicans have not lost this group in the recent past.
The Lotus Eaters were talking about the upcoming UK elections and the Tories are leading only with the 65+ contingent. I don't recall if it was speculation or if there was something about it in the poll but that support was almost entirely about sending the young to fight communism for their precious democracy (aka Ukraine).
The Lotus Eaters were talking about the upcoming UK elections and the Tories are leading only with the 65+ contingent. I don't recall if it was speculation or if there was something about it in the poll but that support was almost entirely about sending the young to fight communism for their precious democracy (aka Ukraine).
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 01:10 PM (U7wke)
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Six years ago. To better less unhinged times....
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Actor Peter Fonda is facing backlash and the Secret Service has been notified of the star's tweets Wednesday that called a mob to "rip Barron Trump from his mother's arms and put him in a cage with pedophiles." The brother of Jane Fonda also called for violence against Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen and called White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders a "c---."
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Actor Peter Fonda is facing backlash and the Secret Service has been notified of the star's tweets Wednesday that called a mob to "rip Barron Trump from his mother's arms and put him in a cage with pedophiles." The brother of Jane Fonda also called for violence against Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen and called White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders a "c---."
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:10 PM (BvTrf)
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If you're a sane human being, you know there's no way you'd trust a dementia patient to run the country.
So, no, attacking Joe's dementia isn't going to drive voters away from Trump.
Again those voters who are appalled at the idea of pointing out the very real and obvious cognitive decline of Joe were always going to vote Joe anyway.
Agree. Those who say this are just looking for something to justify a decision they've already made.
So, no, attacking Joe's dementia isn't going to drive voters away from Trump.
Again those voters who are appalled at the idea of pointing out the very real and obvious cognitive decline of Joe were always going to vote Joe anyway.
Agree. Those who say this are just looking for something to justify a decision they've already made.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:10 PM (xCA6C)
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Dems want to nationalize 401Ks.
Posted by: mrp at June 17, 2024 01:11 PM (rj6Yv)
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Before the faucet overflowed in Atlanta, Trump was at 30% of the black male vote...
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2024 01:11 PM (ibTVg)
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Murdering Joe -- I mean Morning Joe, sorry, that's one of those "my robot brain filled in the wrong word" mistakes -- hypothesizes that the attacks on Joe Biden as incompetent may be turning voters away from Republicans. And maybe sympathizing with someone in a situation similar to their own.
Dementites for Biden!!!
He's Ole Dependsable!!!
Make America Senile Again!!!
Dementites for Biden!!!
He's Ole Dependsable!!!
Make America Senile Again!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 17, 2024 01:11 PM (wtvvX)
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Any guesses on who they will replace Biden with?
Posted by: DaisyB at June 17, 2024 01:11 PM (AbL8c)
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I guess it helps Trumps pop vote margin, but does it matter in the big picture?
Posted by: docweasel at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (Lrqbp)
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Democrats depend on special interest voting blocks to remain in power. Losing a significant number of a huge voting block changes things significantly for Democrats. They lose the Black votes, they have to replace those votes somehow.
Posted by: docweasel at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (Lrqbp)
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Democrats depend on special interest voting blocks to remain in power. Losing a significant number of a huge voting block changes things significantly for Democrats. They lose the Black votes, they have to replace those votes somehow.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 01:11 PM (tT6L1)
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This all sounds good BUT, according to 2020 exit poll information there was a big swing from Trump to Biden among single white males even though Trump still won the group.
Trump pretty much held his numbers even or improved among every demographic except the single white males. Now I find that hard to believe but that is what we were told.
So I suggest that people should look at the single white male category and see if they return to Trump's 2016 numbers.
Trump pretty much held his numbers even or improved among every demographic except the single white males. Now I find that hard to believe but that is what we were told.
So I suggest that people should look at the single white male category and see if they return to Trump's 2016 numbers.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 17, 2024 01:11 PM (2fIO4)
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I hope so, we have to beat the fraud
Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2024 01:12 PM (kTDNu)
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I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted by: ballistic at June 17, 2024 01:12 PM (oqH4h)
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13 These voters include more conservative Republicans, many of which are tired of Trump’s chaos & unpredictability. They want stability & their SocSecurity & Medicare protected.
Stability ? Joe ? Hahahahahahahaha
Stability ? Joe ? Hahahahahahahaha
Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2024 01:12 PM (Akjoo)
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https://tinyurl.com/3xszhrp4
In case you missed this articulate speech of Biden's at the fundraiser. Raised 28 million dollars forhis reelction.
Can't wait for the debate.
In case you missed this articulate speech of Biden's at the fundraiser. Raised 28 million dollars forhis reelction.
Can't wait for the debate.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2024 01:12 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2024 01:12 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2024 01:12 PM (KbCG3)
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>>CNN Poll Analyst: Trump Is On the Path to a Historic Performance With Black Voters
Regardless what polls say, it's about one thing... Ballots baby, and who can collect as much paper and jam it into a tabulator.
It's also about administration and who's doing it, nobody adjudicates ballots better than a Philly Welfare Queen put in charge of "counting" those ballots.
Regardless what polls say, it's about one thing... Ballots baby, and who can collect as much paper and jam it into a tabulator.
It's also about administration and who's doing it, nobody adjudicates ballots better than a Philly Welfare Queen put in charge of "counting" those ballots.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2024 01:12 PM (XV/Pl)
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Riding with Biden. I'm skeptical
Posted by: Zeera , becoming ungovernable by choice at June 17, 2024 01:13 PM (2TPSt)
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Geesh, between Mika and Joe, I don't know which one is uglier.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:13 PM (v6JzV)
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the older folks are Ridin' with Biden b/c they were very happy with COVID tyranny, and don't like any implication that younger people shouldnt have been utterly restricted to protect themselves.
this is why Trump will keep up the idea that locking down was Okey-dokey, to retain some of them.
this is why Trump will keep up the idea that locking down was Okey-dokey, to retain some of them.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2024 01:13 PM (s3qiR)
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#35 blake Yeah but to my main point, with all these gains, why is PDT not running away with this election? Every vote he gains is a lost vote for Biden so why is PDT not 10pts ahead>
Posted by: docweasel at June 17, 2024 01:13 PM (Lrqbp)
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Unexpectedly, thumb drives are on a historic performance with voting machines
Posted by: 13times at June 17, 2024 01:14 PM (b2R7d)
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23 This is nonsense. Every general election cycle we get this story. Every general election we find out it was bull excrement. Sure, there may be a handful more black voters of the male persuasion over age 35. But, just like every election before this one...female black voters will go over 90% for Biden or whomever they throw in the Dem ring. It's a given and always always always harked on before each general election.
Posted by: Orson
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The converse is true. The past does not always predict the future and younger people are not set in their voting ways as are seasoned citizens as Rush called them.
The major trick for Trump is to get the yutes and casual voters to turn out and the RNC has never been engineered to do that. Massive turnout has always been assumed to be death to GOP because by and large cowardice, treachery, wars, and kissing up to wealthy interests hasn't been popular. Now the Dems are doing all of the above too and the economy/crime/inflation/shortages are becoming too big not to notice for a lot of casual voters below 50 in age.
Posted by: Orson
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The converse is true. The past does not always predict the future and younger people are not set in their voting ways as are seasoned citizens as Rush called them.
The major trick for Trump is to get the yutes and casual voters to turn out and the RNC has never been engineered to do that. Massive turnout has always been assumed to be death to GOP because by and large cowardice, treachery, wars, and kissing up to wealthy interests hasn't been popular. Now the Dems are doing all of the above too and the economy/crime/inflation/shortages are becoming too big not to notice for a lot of casual voters below 50 in age.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:14 PM (/0X3E)
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65+ Biden voters is just a euphemism for HIV induced dementia.
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at June 17, 2024 01:14 PM (DBZuM)
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34 Any guesses on who they will replace Biden with?
Posted by: DaisyB at June 17, 2024 01:11 PM (AbL8c)
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They stick with Joe, cheat like hell, and Harris takes over sometime in 2025 after Biden is sworn in.
Posted by: DaisyB at June 17, 2024 01:11 PM (AbL8c)
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They stick with Joe, cheat like hell, and Harris takes over sometime in 2025 after Biden is sworn in.
Posted by: WisRich at June 17, 2024 01:14 PM (G0vdT)
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As I mentioned in the last thread they are leaning into Joe's catastrophic decline by strategically positioning him next to people that will make him look good with their arm around him on the viral videos.
First it was George Floyd's brother and second it was Obama. This isn't remotely a coincidence, it is strategy.
They are definitely worried about losing black men to Trump.
First it was George Floyd's brother and second it was Obama. This isn't remotely a coincidence, it is strategy.
They are definitely worried about losing black men to Trump.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:14 PM (BvTrf)
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@35
>>Democrats depend on special interest voting blocks to remain in power.
I think they depend on the illusion of voting block to retain power.
The dirty secret is that most people don't vote.
That doesn't mean a ballot doesn't get tabulated for them for them though.
>>Democrats depend on special interest voting blocks to remain in power.
I think they depend on the illusion of voting block to retain power.
The dirty secret is that most people don't vote.
That doesn't mean a ballot doesn't get tabulated for them for them though.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2024 01:14 PM (XV/Pl)
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Dems want to nationalize 401Ks.
They want your money. Why would they NOT seize your 401k?
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They won't seize it. Easier to use confiscatory tax schemes.
They want your money. Why would they NOT seize your 401k?
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They won't seize it. Easier to use confiscatory tax schemes.
Posted by: Justice John Roberts at June 17, 2024 01:14 PM (lIt58)
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I can't afford groceries! Those damned Republicans!
Posted by: Ann I. Diot, Chelmsford, MA at June 17, 2024 01:05 PM (qUkBO)
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The price of cat food is out of control!
Posted by: Ann I. Diot, Chelmsford, MA at June 17, 2024 01:05 PM (qUkBO)
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The price of cat food is out of control!
Posted by: wth at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (v0R5T)
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Gee but at Trump rally's seniors are a large portion of attendees. In 2015 before the populace was as informed as they are now I remember some rally's being majority seniors...They ain't going nowhere
Posted by: Im Gumby Damn It!/George Carlins Pencil at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (7keno)
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Ok, explain this to me.
Posted by: docweasel at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (Lrqbp)
Some people believe that polls exist to push a narrative rather than inform people about anything.
If that's the case, this poll could be used to say - hey, minority person, even though YOU voted for Trump, and all your friends voted for Trump, he just didn't get the votes where he needed them because the 150yo+ voters were solidly for Biden. Narrative, to excuse the cheat.
Posted by: docweasel at June 17, 2024 01:08 PM (Lrqbp)
Some people believe that polls exist to push a narrative rather than inform people about anything.
If that's the case, this poll could be used to say - hey, minority person, even though YOU voted for Trump, and all your friends voted for Trump, he just didn't get the votes where he needed them because the 150yo+ voters were solidly for Biden. Narrative, to excuse the cheat.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (U7wke)
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Geesh, between Mika and Joe, I don't know which one is uglier.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:13 PM (v6JzV)
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I don't think Mika is ugly, per se. Unfortunately, though, she's somehow managed to stamp "shrieking harridan" on her face.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:13 PM (v6JzV)
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I don't think Mika is ugly, per se. Unfortunately, though, she's somehow managed to stamp "shrieking harridan" on her face.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (tT6L1)
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They stick with Joe, cheat like hell, and Harris takes over sometime in 2025 after Biden is sworn in.
this, but they pull Joe literally five minutes after he's sworn in
this, but they pull Joe literally five minutes after he's sworn in
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (s3qiR)
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Most Republican seniors I know are especially impressed with how well Biden conducted the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (wBaIH)
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53 That doesn't mean a ballot doesn't get tabulated for them for them though.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2024 01:14 PM (XV/Pl)
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They wouldn't do that against a quality candidate.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2024 01:14 PM (XV/Pl)
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They wouldn't do that against a quality candidate.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (GBKbO)
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It’s is no longer an economic or policy issue for black males. Supporting Trump is now seen as cool or whatever vernacular you want to use. This is a major change.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
I see this as true as well. It was cool to be liberal and be the counter-culture to the stodgy establishment 60 years ago. Now that the left has wrested control of the culture and become the establishment, being the counter-culture is cool again.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
I see this as true as well. It was cool to be liberal and be the counter-culture to the stodgy establishment 60 years ago. Now that the left has wrested control of the culture and become the establishment, being the counter-culture is cool again.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (cwX5v)
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That's going to hurt.
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If it materializes.
Most election cycles that I can remember include the "finally, *this* is the non-Democrat that black people will turn out and support" narrative in some form. It hasn't actually happened.
And they will have to actually turn out. They can't just say, "screw Biden" and stay home, because their ballots will vote even if they don't. Most American blacks live in deeply corrupt jurisdictions with no limits or controls on that.
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If it materializes.
Most election cycles that I can remember include the "finally, *this* is the non-Democrat that black people will turn out and support" narrative in some form. It hasn't actually happened.
And they will have to actually turn out. They can't just say, "screw Biden" and stay home, because their ballots will vote even if they don't. Most American blacks live in deeply corrupt jurisdictions with no limits or controls on that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (d04cU)
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I think this year will see the most votes from illegals in history and it won't be close.
Democrats are always fighting the next war.
Democrats are always fighting the next war.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:16 PM (BvTrf)
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Fox says Biden won, to believe otherwise is insurrection.
Fox says Biden won, to believe otherwise is insurrection.
[repeats]
Fox says Biden won, to believe otherwise is insurrection.
[repeats]
Posted by: Bret Baier in November at June 17, 2024 01:16 PM (Ybyk2)
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Next up from the Dems: White people should not be allowed to vote because they are all racists. Only minorities can be trusted with the future of the country. Plus disparate impact and social justice.
You know they would try it they could get away with it.
You know they would try it they could get away with it.
Posted by: Ripley at June 17, 2024 01:16 PM (xwuga)
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Trump did not terminate abortion rights, and neither did SCOTUS. They simply tossed it back to the states. Nobody is keeping you from an abortion, girls. Hop a plane or drive your car to a state where it's legal, is all you need to do.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (J2vNu)
Or, you know, maybe don't go bareback if you don't want the babies.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (J2vNu)
Or, you know, maybe don't go bareback if you don't want the babies.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 01:16 PM (U7wke)
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On an optimistic note:
Saw a article today that the educated elites have taken a liking to J.D. Vance because he comes across as intelligent and articulate. The point was that as the VP candidate, he might actually attract some blue state voters.
Saw a article today that the educated elites have taken a liking to J.D. Vance because he comes across as intelligent and articulate. The point was that as the VP candidate, he might actually attract some blue state voters.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2024 01:16 PM (t/2Uw)
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"It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024. These voters include more conservative Republicans, many of which are tired of Trump's chaos & unpredictability. They want stability & their SocSecurity & Medicare protected."
If you believe this, I got a bridge in the shape of a big giant penis to sell you. Cheap.
This is pure wishcasting by panicked Dems overdosing on hopeium. The strange reference to SS an Medi is the obvious tell, as well as the "conservative Republicans." Biden's own base is deserting him in droves. Yet we are to believe that "conservative Republicans" are flocking to him? Get the fuck out of my face with that fecal bullshit.
If you believe this, I got a bridge in the shape of a big giant penis to sell you. Cheap.
This is pure wishcasting by panicked Dems overdosing on hopeium. The strange reference to SS an Medi is the obvious tell, as well as the "conservative Republicans." Biden's own base is deserting him in droves. Yet we are to believe that "conservative Republicans" are flocking to him? Get the fuck out of my face with that fecal bullshit.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:16 PM (iFTx/)
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Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at June 17, 2024 01:16 PM (PWI4f)
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Blacks for Trump has been trending on twitter today. TFG is convinced that he will get a large percentage of this vote.
Every time campaign season comes around in recent cycles, the "lib'rul" media constantly tries to beat the impression into people that "African-American voters are switching to Republicans."
Black voters know not only what the GOP stands for (Jim Crow) - but what most GOP voters stand for: Jim Crow - or worse.
@Biden HQ ...we sure haven't forgotten Trump repeatedly cozying up to white supremacists and demonizing Black communities for his political benefit - because that's exactly what he'll do if he wins a second term.
Sadly, Latin America's own race dynamics tend to push some Latinos (mainly whiter ones) toward the GOP. In Latin America, society is basically a totem pole - and what determines your place in it more than anything else (even money), is race. They know that most GOP voters would have them killed if they could (even if white!) - but the need to differentiate themselves with esa gentuza is overwhelming. Especially in America - which many of them see as very much a "white man's country."
Every time campaign season comes around in recent cycles, the "lib'rul" media constantly tries to beat the impression into people that "African-American voters are switching to Republicans."
Black voters know not only what the GOP stands for (Jim Crow) - but what most GOP voters stand for: Jim Crow - or worse.
@Biden HQ ...we sure haven't forgotten Trump repeatedly cozying up to white supremacists and demonizing Black communities for his political benefit - because that's exactly what he'll do if he wins a second term.
Sadly, Latin America's own race dynamics tend to push some Latinos (mainly whiter ones) toward the GOP. In Latin America, society is basically a totem pole - and what determines your place in it more than anything else (even money), is race. They know that most GOP voters would have them killed if they could (even if white!) - but the need to differentiate themselves with esa gentuza is overwhelming. Especially in America - which many of them see as very much a "white man's country."
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 17, 2024 01:16 PM (JCZqz)
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"Look at black voters under the age of 50," the data reporter continued. "Holy cow, folks, holy cow. Look at this. Joe Biden was up by 80 points among this group back at this point in 2020, look at where that margin has careened down towards. It's now just, get this, 37 points. That lead has dropped by more than half, Mr. Berman. I've just never seen anything like this. I'm like speechless because you always look at history and you go, 'okay, this is a historic moment.'
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Historic. Histrionic. Same difference.
The guy kicks ass at talking his book, though. I'll certainly give him that.
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Historic. Histrionic. Same difference.
The guy kicks ass at talking his book, though. I'll certainly give him that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (d04cU)
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If a bunch of black people turn out to vote who traditionally don't they'll find out they already voted by mail.
This happened to thousands of people in 2020. I suspect if Trump gets a good turn out of previously apathetic voters it could be in the tens of millions...
This happened to thousands of people in 2020. I suspect if Trump gets a good turn out of previously apathetic voters it could be in the tens of millions...
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (ibTVg)
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63 And they will have to actually turn out. They can't just say, "screw Biden" and stay home, because their ballots will vote even if they don't. Most American blacks live in deeply corrupt jurisdictions with no limits or controls on that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (d04cU)
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I suspect that real voting numbers would show black vote percentages to be closer to something like 70-30 but also to only be about 6-7% of the electorate instead of 13%.
Yeah, I suspect half of official black voting numbers are fraudulent, creating by political machines in blue enclaves to cement power for themselves.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (d04cU)
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I suspect that real voting numbers would show black vote percentages to be closer to something like 70-30 but also to only be about 6-7% of the electorate instead of 13%.
Yeah, I suspect half of official black voting numbers are fraudulent, creating by political machines in blue enclaves to cement power for themselves.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (GBKbO)
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The newest entry on the "That's racist" bingo card: Silence.
https://x.com/TheAtlantic/status/1801483490128462183
https://x.com/TheAtlantic/status/1801483490128462183
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (xCA6C)
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"CNN Poll Analyst: Trump Is On the Path to a Historic Performance With Black Voters"
Looks like Jake Tapper and Dana Bash have their work cut out for them.
Looks like Jake Tapper and Dana Bash have their work cut out for them.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (Jkgwg)
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So, I wonder what the Olde Guard Democrats think about the movers and shakers sidelining one of their own. That is, if *biden's pulled off the ticket. Are they going to cede their power to the "younger generation" or will they continue to pull the strings.
I don't think there are many "young" leftists that have the political gravitas to supplant a Pelosi or Schumer. Not Whitmer. Not Newsom.
I'm not saying they wouldn't try.
I don't think there are many "young" leftists that have the political gravitas to supplant a Pelosi or Schumer. Not Whitmer. Not Newsom.
I'm not saying they wouldn't try.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (Q4IgG)
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Trump's losing the all important illegal vote by a 39,999,999 to one margin.
Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (0Szxt)
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“I feel Biden understands people like me because he shares my physical frailty and galloping dementia.”
I guess voters have offered even stupider reasons to support the dems.
I guess voters have offered even stupider reasons to support the dems.
Posted by: Oglebay at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (7fVdQ)
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How did the Junta not know importing millions of illegals was going to anger the Black community?
They did. They just assumed that they could take them for granted since they have been able to for at least 60 years. And they're still mostly able to. Nobody is seriously expecting Trump to get an actual majority of the black vote or any subset of it.
They did. They just assumed that they could take them for granted since they have been able to for at least 60 years. And they're still mostly able to. Nobody is seriously expecting Trump to get an actual majority of the black vote or any subset of it.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (/y8xj)
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@57 My point is why aren't the polls showing greater margins for PDT, with all these new voters and equal loss of votes for Biden, PDT should be up 10% nationally, no?
Posted by: docweasel at June 17, 2024 01:18 PM (Lrqbp)
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Murdering Joe -- I mean Morning Joe, sorry, that's one of those "my robot brain filled in the wrong word" mistakes
No, that is your 'stutter'.
No, that is your 'stutter'.
Posted by: Hal Dall at June 17, 2024 01:18 PM (ZygAw)
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Aside from the fact that along with some other people who always pulls the lever for Democrats-what does Biden have to offer them? They know about inflation, they know about rising crime in numerous areas and they know that illegals are taking their jobs.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2024 01:18 PM (XkYcA)
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I wonder what percent of the blacks actually vote, and what percent are no shows that have ballots (magically) produced for them. I'm guessing real turnout is 50%, the other 55% is just ballot box stuffing at the end of the day (caught on camera several times) or organized (illegal) collection of ballots.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 17, 2024 01:18 PM (Cus5s)
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80 They did. They just assumed that they could take them for granted since they have been able to for at least 60 years. And they're still mostly able to. Nobody is seriously expecting Trump to get an actual majority of the black vote or any subset of it.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (/y8xj)
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Or, they know that blacks don't vote but they get the ballots anyway, so appealing to black interests through policy is a waste of time and resources.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (/y8xj)
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Or, they know that blacks don't vote but they get the ballots anyway, so appealing to black interests through policy is a waste of time and resources.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:18 PM (GBKbO)
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48 I think it is more the 'Republicans are going to kill grandma" crap that is working.
They want Social Security and are being conned to be afraid a cost cutting Trump might take it away
Posted by: anon
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More likely that the more GOP leaning Silents are dying off and the peak Boomer JFK, Watergate, etc. voters have entered retirement. On older voter groups, it is rarer for them to change voting habits than younger voters and cohort replacement by death is how the older voting pool changes.
The old saw about the GOP and Dems flipping places around 1968 in the South is a perfect example of this presentism. Basically the GOP Southern officeholders and voters were younger than the old segregationist Dem dinosaurs. The Dems scrambled to find younger moderate Dems in the South but yellow dog Democrat voting persisted in the South among the oldsters until they basically died.
They want Social Security and are being conned to be afraid a cost cutting Trump might take it away
Posted by: anon
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More likely that the more GOP leaning Silents are dying off and the peak Boomer JFK, Watergate, etc. voters have entered retirement. On older voter groups, it is rarer for them to change voting habits than younger voters and cohort replacement by death is how the older voting pool changes.
The old saw about the GOP and Dems flipping places around 1968 in the South is a perfect example of this presentism. Basically the GOP Southern officeholders and voters were younger than the old segregationist Dem dinosaurs. The Dems scrambled to find younger moderate Dems in the South but yellow dog Democrat voting persisted in the South among the oldsters until they basically died.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:19 PM (/0X3E)
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This is nonsense. Every general election cycle we get this story. Every general election we find out it was bull excrement. Sure, there may be a handful more black voters of the male persuasion over age 35. But, just like every election before this one...female black voters will go over 90% for Biden or whomever they throw in the Dem ring. It's a given and always always always harked on before each general election.
Posted by: Orson at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (dIske)
There have been cases where recount efforts have shown that reported votes don't even come close to actual ballots. It's entirely possible, and folks here have provided anecdotal evidence, that black generally don't vote but they are reported as having done so.
Posted by: Orson at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM (dIske)
There have been cases where recount efforts have shown that reported votes don't even come close to actual ballots. It's entirely possible, and folks here have provided anecdotal evidence, that black generally don't vote but they are reported as having done so.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 01:19 PM (U7wke)
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I am expecting the Chicago Black vote to be at least 5-6000 less than last time given all the shootings and murders.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2024 01:19 PM (W/lyH)
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Using my dad as an example...old democrats are locked in. I know where the 37% approval comes from. Dems like my father. "the borber is fine", stuff my dad says.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (Z8Yh2)
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Wow!! 💥 It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024. These voters include more conservative Republicans, many of which are tired of Trump's chaos & unpredictability.
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{barely even tangentially-related rant}
They are people, not objects.
"These voters include ... many of *whom* are tired of ..."
They're people. Who, not what.
{/rant}
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{barely even tangentially-related rant}
They are people, not objects.
"These voters include ... many of *whom* are tired of ..."
They're people. Who, not what.
{/rant}
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (d04cU)
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Concur with Orson.
Posted by: gp's Uncured Ballot Soppressata at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (MvF+J)
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88 I am expecting the Chicago Black vote to be at least 5-6000 less than last time given all the shootings and murders.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2024 01:19 PM (W/lyH)
Surely you mean 5-6000 more?
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2024 01:19 PM (W/lyH)
Surely you mean 5-6000 more?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (VoAdT)
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I'll believe it when I see it. Sorry, I've been told this too many times. Like when Bullwinkle says "This time, for sure!"
Posted by: Eeyore at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (1bNHn)
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60 Most Republican seniors I know are especially impressed with how well Biden conducted the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (wBaIH)
That and the Gaza pier make nice bookends to the current administration’s body of work.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at June 17, 2024 01:15 PM (wBaIH)
That and the Gaza pier make nice bookends to the current administration’s body of work.
Posted by: Oglebay at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (7fVdQ)
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Another liberal rag tried to spin this as "Biden has problems with black voters, but so does Trump" and tried to act like Trump getting a historic percentage of the black vote was somehow not good for his campaign.
Republicans picking up even 2% more of the black vote would flip so many states, especially when you add on a nice chunk of that vote just sitting home instead of voting for Biden.
But then again who needs the black vote when you're just going to stuff the ballot box with fake voters anyway.
Republicans picking up even 2% more of the black vote would flip so many states, especially when you add on a nice chunk of that vote just sitting home instead of voting for Biden.
But then again who needs the black vote when you're just going to stuff the ballot box with fake voters anyway.
Posted by: Rbastid at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (pYFML)
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More likely that the more GOP leaning Silents are dying off and the peak Boomer JFK, Watergate, etc. voters have entered retirement. On older voter groups, it is rarer for them to change voting habits than younger voters and cohort replacement by death is how the older voting pool changes.
whig, you're right as usual. this is what is happening.
whig, you're right as usual. this is what is happening.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (s3qiR)
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I remember when dems aired commercials that show Dubya McChimpy rolling grandma in a wheelchair and then pushing her off a cliff
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at June 17, 2024 01:21 PM (DBZuM)
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97 I remember when dems aired commercials that show Dubya McChimpy rolling grandma in a wheelchair and then pushing her off a cliff
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at June 17, 2024 01:21 PM (DBZuM)
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I remember one with Paul Ryan, but not one with W.
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at June 17, 2024 01:21 PM (DBZuM)
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I remember one with Paul Ryan, but not one with W.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:21 PM (GBKbO)
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#88 in Chicago, being dead is no impediment to having your vote counted, if anything makes it easier, because there are people who will make sure ;you vote (the right way)
Posted by: docweasel at June 17, 2024 01:21 PM (Lrqbp)
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I don't think Mika is ugly, per se. Unfortunately, though, she's somehow managed to stamp "shrieking harridan" on her face.
She used to be quite attractive. I suspect she has a portrait in her attic that keeps getting better looking.
She used to be quite attractive. I suspect she has a portrait in her attic that keeps getting better looking.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2024 01:21 PM (/y8xj)
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84 I wonder what percent of the blacks actually vote, and what percent are no shows that have ballots (magically) produced for them. I'm guessing real turnout is 50%, the other 55% is just ballot box stuffing at the end of the day (caught on camera several times) or organized (illegal) collection of ballots.
Posted by: illiniwek
Middle class blacks which is now the majority of black voters have the a lot of the same concerns as white voters do which is why the Dems keep ratcheting up racial screaming to eleventy. Takes more and more to persuade the yutes. Oldsters still can be manipulated into believing Bull Conner is just around the corner again.
Posted by: illiniwek
Middle class blacks which is now the majority of black voters have the a lot of the same concerns as white voters do which is why the Dems keep ratcheting up racial screaming to eleventy. Takes more and more to persuade the yutes. Oldsters still can be manipulated into believing Bull Conner is just around the corner again.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:21 PM (/0X3E)
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The last time even close to 30% of the black vote went to a Reublican was when Lincoln ran on freeing the slaves. Still, 70% preferred the free housing.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 17, 2024 01:21 PM (TDz4H)
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On an optimistic note:
Saw a article today that the educated elites have taken a liking to J.D. Vance because he comes across as intelligent and articulate. The point was that as the VP candidate, he might actually attract some blue state voters.
There was a Politico article about Youngkin as well, decrying the failure of his administration. Left unsaid: he's very popular in VA. They tell you who they fear.
They're Scared: Politico Performs MASSIVE Face Plant in Attempted Hit Piece on Glenn Youngkin
https://tinyurl.com/28bz2577
Saw a article today that the educated elites have taken a liking to J.D. Vance because he comes across as intelligent and articulate. The point was that as the VP candidate, he might actually attract some blue state voters.
There was a Politico article about Youngkin as well, decrying the failure of his administration. Left unsaid: he's very popular in VA. They tell you who they fear.
They're Scared: Politico Performs MASSIVE Face Plant in Attempted Hit Piece on Glenn Youngkin
https://tinyurl.com/28bz2577
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:22 PM (xCA6C)
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I had reported that swaths of bad Philly neighborhoods are actually sparsely populated - but you wouldn't know that by either the census (fake!) or the vote totals! the votes arrive at the polling places from the back of trucks.
BUT NOW all those shitty nabes are full! full of Newcomers. so it's hard to see what I saw in person. now they seem full of life! none of those people should vote, of course. but the Ballots Existing will be far more believable now.
BUT NOW all those shitty nabes are full! full of Newcomers. so it's hard to see what I saw in person. now they seem full of life! none of those people should vote, of course. but the Ballots Existing will be far more believable now.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2024 01:22 PM (s3qiR)
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"the more GOP leaning Silents are dying off and the peak Boomer JFK, Watergate, etc. voters have entered retirement"
The last cohort that was not taught in schools to hate America and to hate whites.
The last cohort that was not taught in schools to hate America and to hate whites.
Posted by: gp's Uncured Ballot Soppressata at June 17, 2024 01:23 PM (MvF+J)
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I remember one with Paul Ryan, but not one with W.
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I couldnt tell them apart anyway
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I couldnt tell them apart anyway
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at June 17, 2024 01:23 PM (DBZuM)
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38 I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted by: ballistic at June 17, 2024 01:12 PM (oqH4h)
Yup. Repeated Republican fantasy since 2016.
Posted by: ballistic at June 17, 2024 01:12 PM (oqH4h)
Yup. Repeated Republican fantasy since 2016.
Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2024 01:23 PM (j4U/Z)
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Middle class blacks which is now the majority of black voters have the a lot of the same concerns as white voters do which is why the Dems keep ratcheting up racial screaming to eleventy. Takes more and more to persuade the yutes. Oldsters still can be manipulated into believing Bull Conner is just around the corner again.
hmm whig here you're missing that middle class Blacks primarily work for the govt and related entities
hmm whig here you're missing that middle class Blacks primarily work for the govt and related entities
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2024 01:24 PM (s3qiR)
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Incredibly impressed by Vince Ellison on Tuca the other day.
Not because he's black, but because I have probably never heard someone so palpably fearless about saying all the right and uncomfortable things that need to be said. That and his considerable (and thoughtful) faith. That and he clearly has a deep knowledge of American History and in particular the real nature of much of the "civil rights" movement which has basically been communism under various stealth brands.
Such an amazing (potential) messenger: and you have to wonder how the GOP has managed not to utilize him effectively to expand the base. I follow news etc probably more than I should have and never even heard of him until the Tuca broadcast.
Not because he's black, but because I have probably never heard someone so palpably fearless about saying all the right and uncomfortable things that need to be said. That and his considerable (and thoughtful) faith. That and he clearly has a deep knowledge of American History and in particular the real nature of much of the "civil rights" movement which has basically been communism under various stealth brands.
Such an amazing (potential) messenger: and you have to wonder how the GOP has managed not to utilize him effectively to expand the base. I follow news etc probably more than I should have and never even heard of him until the Tuca broadcast.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 01:24 PM (lcQJG)
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Murdering Joe -- I mean Morning Joe, sorry, that's one of those "my robot brain filled in the wrong word" mistakes -- hypothesizes that the attacks on Joe Biden as incompetent may be turning voters away from Republicans. And maybe sympathizing with someone in a situation similar to their own.
I've worried about that. It doesn't seem farfetched at all.
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I don't know about that. I'm one of those old farts, and I have definitely lost something since my lung operation 2 years ago. The closest I got to abandoning Trump was preferring DeSantis. But he ain't the nominee.
I've worried about that. It doesn't seem farfetched at all.
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I don't know about that. I'm one of those old farts, and I have definitely lost something since my lung operation 2 years ago. The closest I got to abandoning Trump was preferring DeSantis. But he ain't the nominee.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 17, 2024 01:24 PM (1bNHn)
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But then again who needs the black vote when you're just going to stuff the ballot box with fake voters anyway.
Posted by: Rbastid at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (pYFML)
How many testimonials of "I tried to vote but someone already did it in my name" or "I didn't vote but the system says I did" are we going to see? That's my nightmare scenario-obvious voter fraud that we can't pull out of the system but results get certified anyway.
Posted by: Rbastid at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (pYFML)
How many testimonials of "I tried to vote but someone already did it in my name" or "I didn't vote but the system says I did" are we going to see? That's my nightmare scenario-obvious voter fraud that we can't pull out of the system but results get certified anyway.
Posted by: pookysgirl, trying not to worry but failing at June 17, 2024 01:24 PM (dtlDP)
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Trump’s chaos & unpredictability
This assertion highly annoys me because the "chaos" is entirely manufactured by his opponents to make Trump look icky or to interfere with his plans. And his "unpredictability" is a necessary strategy when he is trying to accomplish something in spite of opponents obstructing him every step of the way.
I find him very predictable. He will do whatever he can think of to make America a better place for Americans. We just never know how he might try to do it.
This assertion highly annoys me because the "chaos" is entirely manufactured by his opponents to make Trump look icky or to interfere with his plans. And his "unpredictability" is a necessary strategy when he is trying to accomplish something in spite of opponents obstructing him every step of the way.
I find him very predictable. He will do whatever he can think of to make America a better place for Americans. We just never know how he might try to do it.
Posted by: Emmie at June 17, 2024 01:25 PM (Sf2cq)
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She used to be quite attractive. I suspect she has a portrait in her attic that keeps getting better looking.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2024 01:21 PM (/y8xj)
Yeah, Mika was a One for quite a while, until her ugliness in the inside made her a Zero.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2024 01:21 PM (/y8xj)
Yeah, Mika was a One for quite a while, until her ugliness in the inside made her a Zero.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 17, 2024 01:25 PM (aJqy7)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:25 PM (v6JzV)
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Posted by: mECecOpvDbVAWiyI at June 17, 2024 01:25 PM (NgEtZ)
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A poll that says older voters favor Biden? Or maybe older Republicans refuse to talk to pollsters, and old Democrats will.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 17, 2024 01:26 PM (fPzjs)
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Dementites for Biden!!!
He's Ole Dependsable!!!
Make America Senile Again!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 17, 2024
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But what of the Dentite vote?
He's Ole Dependsable!!!
Make America Senile Again!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 17, 2024
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But what of the Dentite vote?
Posted by: C. Kramer, Manhattan at June 17, 2024 01:26 PM (J2vNu)
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He isn't expecting to get 110% of the vote in certain states this time.
I kind of wish they would.
I kind of wish they would.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 17, 2024 01:26 PM (jvXaf)
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2020 had 24/7 Propaganda against Trump, I hope that while continuing its falling apart and not believe anymore.
Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2024 01:26 PM (kTDNu)
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I have no idea what their strategy with this move is as illegal immigration polls so lowly and is a hot topic with a majority of Americans.
From the AP: “The President will host a White House event on Tuesday celebrating an Obama-era directive that offered deportation protections for young, undocumented immigrants, as his own administration prepares potential new benefits for others without legal status but with long-standing ties with the United States.”
From the AP: “The President will host a White House event on Tuesday celebrating an Obama-era directive that offered deportation protections for young, undocumented immigrants, as his own administration prepares potential new benefits for others without legal status but with long-standing ties with the United States.”
Posted by: Cheri at June 17, 2024 01:26 PM (oiNtH)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:27 PM (Zz0t1)
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How much BBC do I have to suck to get you blacks to vote correctly?
Posted by: Chelsea Handler at June 17, 2024 01:28 PM (Zz0t1)
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91 million votes
Posted by: DAN at June 17, 2024 01:28 PM (eCnv0)
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The story about older Americans (65+) will vote for Biden is BS. The older people living off of Social Security are getting jacked up their ass be John Holmes because of Biden-Flation !!!!!!!
Posted by: Buster Hymandd at June 17, 2024 01:28 PM (1t11C)
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DOesn't make sense, unless he's just closing the margins in big urban areas where Biden will win anyway. I guess it helps Trumps pop vote margin, but does it matter in the big picture?
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So, the thing about the steal and fraud is that it relies upon laundering that among legitimate votes.
And we all go round and round over a basic question:
Is there a limit to the fraud?
A lot of folks insist there isn't. Citing not just 2020 but also 2022. Which is somewhat convincing. It was pretty blatant and obvious.
But, they still had to launder that into legitimate votes, results within the margin of error of polling; remotely plausible.
That's where I stand, there is an limit and they're right at it.
And 2020 doesn't happen w/o Rs support and still butthurt in 2022. Now, the GOP is aligning w/ Trump.
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So, the thing about the steal and fraud is that it relies upon laundering that among legitimate votes.
And we all go round and round over a basic question:
Is there a limit to the fraud?
A lot of folks insist there isn't. Citing not just 2020 but also 2022. Which is somewhat convincing. It was pretty blatant and obvious.
But, they still had to launder that into legitimate votes, results within the margin of error of polling; remotely plausible.
That's where I stand, there is an limit and they're right at it.
And 2020 doesn't happen w/o Rs support and still butthurt in 2022. Now, the GOP is aligning w/ Trump.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 01:28 PM (YqUuT)
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>>>Donald Trump is gaining ground. You go from 7%, single-digits at this point in 2020, to now 21% and again, John, I keep looking for signs that this is going to go back to normal
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You won't. Republicans, historically, have miss-appealed to Black voters. It's as if they utterly have no concept of black life other than what they imagine or see on TV.
Trump appeals to Black voters as human beings, as Americans, no more, no less.
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You won't. Republicans, historically, have miss-appealed to Black voters. It's as if they utterly have no concept of black life other than what they imagine or see on TV.
Trump appeals to Black voters as human beings, as Americans, no more, no less.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:28 PM (bQ/08)
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90 Wow!! 💥 It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024. These voters include more conservative Republicans, many of which are tired of Trump's chaos & unpredictability.
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{barely even tangentially-related rant}
They are people, not objects.
"These voters include ... many of *whom* are tired of ..."
They're people. Who, not what.
{/rant}
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Little insight can be gained by smaller subgroups like conservative oldsters in a typical media poll. Takes all sorts of oversampling techniques that cost a lot of money.
My educated guess knowing what I do about voting behavior personally and academically is that we are seeing cohort replacement.
The youngest of the Silent generation is now 79-80 years old and Boomers too young to remember Ike are replacing them. For them, their formative presidential memories are JFK, LBJ, plus Nixon and Ford. So Civil Rights, Environmentalism, Evil warmongering Nixon, and so on. Basically a period where GOP was viewed as bad and Dems as good.
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{barely even tangentially-related rant}
They are people, not objects.
"These voters include ... many of *whom* are tired of ..."
They're people. Who, not what.
{/rant}
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Little insight can be gained by smaller subgroups like conservative oldsters in a typical media poll. Takes all sorts of oversampling techniques that cost a lot of money.
My educated guess knowing what I do about voting behavior personally and academically is that we are seeing cohort replacement.
The youngest of the Silent generation is now 79-80 years old and Boomers too young to remember Ike are replacing them. For them, their formative presidential memories are JFK, LBJ, plus Nixon and Ford. So Civil Rights, Environmentalism, Evil warmongering Nixon, and so on. Basically a period where GOP was viewed as bad and Dems as good.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:28 PM (/0X3E)
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MSNBC is claiming, however, that Trump is losing voters 65 and older to Biden. Republicans have not lost this group in the recent past.
The Lotus Eaters were talking about the upcoming UK elections and the Tories are leading only with the 65+ contingent. I don't recall if it was speculation or if there was something about it in the poll but that support was almost entirely about sending the young to fight communism for their precious democracy (aka Ukraine).
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 01:10 PM (U7wke)
The Tories were talking about reintroducing conscription, as were the French. This did not go over well with anyone sane who doesn't want to sit helplessly in a unimproved slit trench under constant bombing and drone fire.
The Lotus Eaters were talking about the upcoming UK elections and the Tories are leading only with the 65+ contingent. I don't recall if it was speculation or if there was something about it in the poll but that support was almost entirely about sending the young to fight communism for their precious democracy (aka Ukraine).
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 01:10 PM (U7wke)
The Tories were talking about reintroducing conscription, as were the French. This did not go over well with anyone sane who doesn't want to sit helplessly in a unimproved slit trench under constant bombing and drone fire.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:28 PM (eoQWY)
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Posted by: mECecOpvDbVAWiyI at June 17, 2024 01:25 PM (NgEtZ)
Sharp as a tack!!!
Posted by: mECecOpvDbVAWiyI at June 17, 2024 01:25 PM (NgEtZ)
Sharp as a tack!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:29 PM (Zz0t1)
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You're not gonna take my antisocial insecurity away!
-Every 90 year old when any type of social security reform is discussed.
-Every 90 year old when any type of social security reform is discussed.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2024 01:29 PM (rsqyi)
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If things look dire, here's still plenty of time for DJT to pander to blacks with criminal-reform promises, Second Step Acts, Rent Moratoriums, and Bazillion-Dollar Platinum Plans.
Posted by: gp's Uncured Ballot Soppressata at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (MvF+J)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (Zz0t1)
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More likely that the more GOP leaning Silents are dying off and the peak Boomer JFK, Watergate, etc. voters have entered retirement. On older voter groups, it is rarer for them to change voting habits than younger voters and cohort replacement by death is how the older voting pool changes.
That's not it at all! Stupid Rethuglicans didn't get the COVID vax, while the enlightened Dem voters did! Reap what you sow, science deniers!!!
That's not it at all! Stupid Rethuglicans didn't get the COVID vax, while the enlightened Dem voters did! Reap what you sow, science deniers!!!
Posted by: Rabid Branch Covidians at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (JCZqz)
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I know that a certain poll-smoking dickweed likes to say "those blacks are always gonna vote 212% Democrat 4 EVAH!"
But here's the deal... Without regard to the bullshit polls and ginned-up stats from our regime of reflexive liars, there is *no possible way* Donald Trump could've breached the so-called blue wall without a critical contingent of (working) black men in the Midwest defecting from the Dems.
I strongly suspect black men in other regions did so in similar numbers. But there, we know they did.
Trump probably already *did* pull off a historic swing in the black vote, nearly a decade ago.
But here's the deal... Without regard to the bullshit polls and ginned-up stats from our regime of reflexive liars, there is *no possible way* Donald Trump could've breached the so-called blue wall without a critical contingent of (working) black men in the Midwest defecting from the Dems.
I strongly suspect black men in other regions did so in similar numbers. But there, we know they did.
Trump probably already *did* pull off a historic swing in the black vote, nearly a decade ago.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (0FoWg)
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Mika looks like somebody stuck a cattle prod in her butt
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (FTjSO)
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So if I have this correctly, all the buzz is about black men under the age of 50 but old enough to vote and not felons going for Trump in larger numbers than 4 years ago.
So, margins. Half of 13% by sex and gender, minus 25% ineligible to vote, but only under 50 but over 18 by age.
3inch headline worthy for sure. But inroads are inroads I guess.
So, margins. Half of 13% by sex and gender, minus 25% ineligible to vote, but only under 50 but over 18 by age.
3inch headline worthy for sure. But inroads are inroads I guess.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (FCbAQ)
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election night: this just in: reliable sources tell us that an unusually large number of ballots cast in black districts are being rejected for being filled out with the wrong name checked off.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (CWTWj)
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mECecOpvDbVAWiyI Johnson is right!
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (BvTrf)
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>>>Wow!! 💥 It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024.
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Not any that I know.
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Not any that I know.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (bQ/08)
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Karen Read trial at lunch now.
Alan Jackson completely destroyed the accident reconstruction 'expert' on cross. No science or math background, an Associate's degree in something soft. Took some classes. He didn't know about momentum. More importantly, his conclusions were ridiculous.
He should be blowing people under the bridge for nickels.
Theoretically the prosecution may rest today. Theoretically
Alan Jackson completely destroyed the accident reconstruction 'expert' on cross. No science or math background, an Associate's degree in something soft. Took some classes. He didn't know about momentum. More importantly, his conclusions were ridiculous.
He should be blowing people under the bridge for nickels.
Theoretically the prosecution may rest today. Theoretically
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2024 01:31 PM (aJqy7)
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You know, those older Americans are the ones more likely to watch MSM news.
Posted by: Harun at June 17, 2024 01:31 PM (IuIym)
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Karen Read trial at lunch now.
Alan Jackson completely destroyed the accident reconstruction 'expert' on cross. No science or math background, an Associate's degree in something soft. Took some classes. He didn't know about momentum. More importantly, his conclusions were ridiculous.
He should be blowing people under the bridge for nickels.
Theoretically the prosecution may rest today. Theoretically
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
What is this trial about?
Alan Jackson completely destroyed the accident reconstruction 'expert' on cross. No science or math background, an Associate's degree in something soft. Took some classes. He didn't know about momentum. More importantly, his conclusions were ridiculous.
He should be blowing people under the bridge for nickels.
Theoretically the prosecution may rest today. Theoretically
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
What is this trial about?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (v6JzV)
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---That and the Gaza pier make nice bookends to the current administration’s body of work.
Posted by: Oglebay.
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Body of work, heh.
Posted by: Oglebay.
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Body of work, heh.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (bQ/08)
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Little insight can be gained by smaller subgroups like conservative oldsters in a typical media poll. Takes all sorts of oversampling techniques that cost a lot of money.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:28 PM (/0X3E)
Given the total lack of numbers in the original quote I would prefer to go with "they are making the entire thing up". It would be trivial to skew that cohort into calling deep blue areas only. If over 65s were so hot for Dems they wouldn't be doing so poorly in Florida.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:28 PM (/0X3E)
Given the total lack of numbers in the original quote I would prefer to go with "they are making the entire thing up". It would be trivial to skew that cohort into calling deep blue areas only. If over 65s were so hot for Dems they wouldn't be doing so poorly in Florida.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (eoQWY)
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Biden's own base is deserting him in droves. Yet we are to believe that "conservative Republicans" are flocking to him? Get the fuck out of my face with that fecal bullshit.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:16 PM (iFTx/)
Periodically, the parties swap. Since the uniparty policies remain constant, this has no effect on anything.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:16 PM (iFTx/)
Periodically, the parties swap. Since the uniparty policies remain constant, this has no effect on anything.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (U7wke)
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A lot of folks insist there isn't. Citing not just 2020 but also 2022. Which is somewhat convincing. It was pretty blatant and obvious.
But, they still had to launder that into legitimate votes, results within the margin of error of polling; remotely plausible.
That's where I stand, there is an limit and they're right at it.
And 2020 doesn't happen w/o Rs support and still butthurt in 2022. Now, the GOP is aligning w/ Trump.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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The primary steal in 2020 was not accomplished via electronic voting but by fake mail in ballots submitted by non existent or non voting but registered voters.
You get mail in fake ballots, you probably have a cheat margin about 15-20 percent in your elections given what came out about Arizona recently for the 2020-2 voting cycle.
In person voting, much less cheating as it is a lot more logistically difficult. Probably std. cheat margin at about 5 percent or so in statewide elections (much higher in urban areas of a state and much lower in suburban and rural areas).
But, they still had to launder that into legitimate votes, results within the margin of error of polling; remotely plausible.
That's where I stand, there is an limit and they're right at it.
And 2020 doesn't happen w/o Rs support and still butthurt in 2022. Now, the GOP is aligning w/ Trump.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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The primary steal in 2020 was not accomplished via electronic voting but by fake mail in ballots submitted by non existent or non voting but registered voters.
You get mail in fake ballots, you probably have a cheat margin about 15-20 percent in your elections given what came out about Arizona recently for the 2020-2 voting cycle.
In person voting, much less cheating as it is a lot more logistically difficult. Probably std. cheat margin at about 5 percent or so in statewide elections (much higher in urban areas of a state and much lower in suburban and rural areas).
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (/0X3E)
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134 Trump probably already *did* pull off a historic swing in the black vote, nearly a decade ago.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (0FoWg)
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But exit polls (which everyone is already completely dismissive of) saw that blacks didn't change their voting behavior.
You're not going to suddenly disbelieve exit polls on this one point, are you?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (0FoWg)
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But exit polls (which everyone is already completely dismissive of) saw that blacks didn't change their voting behavior.
You're not going to suddenly disbelieve exit polls on this one point, are you?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:33 PM (GBKbO)
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With the black male vote demographic working against them Democrats are now firmly against allowing felons, ex felons to vote.
Posted by: torabora at June 17, 2024 01:33 PM (0Gnoc)
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I've worried about that. It doesn't seem farfetched at all.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace
The only time I hear Biden as a voting topic it's voting for Brandon is a brain-dead libertarian thing.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace
The only time I hear Biden as a voting topic it's voting for Brandon is a brain-dead libertarian thing.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 17, 2024 01:33 PM (pUmP9)
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You're not gonna take my antisocial insecurity away!
-Every 90 year old when any type of social security reform is discussed.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2024 01:29 PM (rsqyi)
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She doesn't have to worry about it.
Who *should* be worried about it are people under 65 and specifically under 45. Not that it will be taken away, but that it will be a "less for more" situation.
Social Security is fixable, and fairly easily fixable. Remove the income cap, increase the tax by a half a point and raise the retirement age by two years for people under 40 or 45. It will run a deficit - manageable, but still a deficit - before balancing to pay-go.
Is that fair? No, not at all, especially not removing the cap which just a straight-up fucking over of high earners who will never be able to collect the difference in what's billed as a pension.
But it's not a pension. Those fancy "statements" are just marketing. It's a welfare program, nothing more. Never has been anything more. If it's a welfare program we want to continue, we *can* afford it and granny won't sacrifice anything. Her grandkids, though, will. The bill must be paid.
-Every 90 year old when any type of social security reform is discussed.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2024 01:29 PM (rsqyi)
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She doesn't have to worry about it.
Who *should* be worried about it are people under 65 and specifically under 45. Not that it will be taken away, but that it will be a "less for more" situation.
Social Security is fixable, and fairly easily fixable. Remove the income cap, increase the tax by a half a point and raise the retirement age by two years for people under 40 or 45. It will run a deficit - manageable, but still a deficit - before balancing to pay-go.
Is that fair? No, not at all, especially not removing the cap which just a straight-up fucking over of high earners who will never be able to collect the difference in what's billed as a pension.
But it's not a pension. Those fancy "statements" are just marketing. It's a welfare program, nothing more. Never has been anything more. If it's a welfare program we want to continue, we *can* afford it and granny won't sacrifice anything. Her grandkids, though, will. The bill must be paid.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:33 PM (d04cU)
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With the black male vote demographic working against them Democrats are now firmly against allowing felons, ex felons to vote.
Posted by: torabora
Please provide a Venn diagram with Black Male voters and Felons.
Posted by: torabora
Please provide a Venn diagram with Black Male voters and Felons.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 17, 2024 01:34 PM (pUmP9)
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Morning Joe: It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024.
Translation: Lib children of 65+ voters are "Helping" their elderly parents fill out their absentee ballots for Biden.
"Hey mom & dad, sign the voters envelope, I'll take car of the rest".
Translation: Lib children of 65+ voters are "Helping" their elderly parents fill out their absentee ballots for Biden.
"Hey mom & dad, sign the voters envelope, I'll take car of the rest".
Posted by: Frank Barone at June 17, 2024 01:34 PM (+oR7L)
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146 The primary steal in 2020 was not accomplished via electronic voting but by fake mail in ballots submitted by non existent or non voting but registered voters.
You get mail in fake ballots, you probably have a cheat margin about 15-20 percent in your elections given what came out about Arizona recently for the 2020-2 voting cycle.
In person voting, much less cheating as it is a lot more logistically difficult. Probably std. cheat margin at about 5 percent or so in statewide elections (much higher in urban areas of a state and much lower in suburban and rural areas).
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (/0X3E)
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Which is why the GOP has been stuck in the Voter ID mode of fighting for election integrity for decades now: it doesn't actually affect much while the GOP makes tiny bits of progress over the years while the actual meat of cheating is never addressed.
You get mail in fake ballots, you probably have a cheat margin about 15-20 percent in your elections given what came out about Arizona recently for the 2020-2 voting cycle.
In person voting, much less cheating as it is a lot more logistically difficult. Probably std. cheat margin at about 5 percent or so in statewide elections (much higher in urban areas of a state and much lower in suburban and rural areas).
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (/0X3E)
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Which is why the GOP has been stuck in the Voter ID mode of fighting for election integrity for decades now: it doesn't actually affect much while the GOP makes tiny bits of progress over the years while the actual meat of cheating is never addressed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:34 PM (GBKbO)
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It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024. These voters include more conservative Republicans, many of which are tired of Trump’s chaos & unpredictability. They want stability & their SocSecurity & Medicare protected.
I guess those people have short memories, or were never paying attention at all during the Trump Administration, when we had the best economy in recent memory from January 2017 to March 2020. Everyone benefited, including those with retirement plans and budgets.
Why would people who are 65 and older, who presumably are retired and living on a fixed income, be in favor of re-electing a man/administration that has massively hurt their cost of living in their "golden years"? This is backwards thinking. The Marxist Left Democrats/Deep State is radical and chaotic and makes the economy worse and unpredictable, not President Trump's America-first policies.
I guess those people have short memories, or were never paying attention at all during the Trump Administration, when we had the best economy in recent memory from January 2017 to March 2020. Everyone benefited, including those with retirement plans and budgets.
Why would people who are 65 and older, who presumably are retired and living on a fixed income, be in favor of re-electing a man/administration that has massively hurt their cost of living in their "golden years"? This is backwards thinking. The Marxist Left Democrats/Deep State is radical and chaotic and makes the economy worse and unpredictable, not President Trump's America-first policies.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 17, 2024 01:34 PM (P5BPp)
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Yeah, I suspect half of official black voting numbers are fraudulent, creating by political machines in blue enclaves to cement power for themselves.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (GBKbO)
Are you suggesting that 115+% of voters DON'T turn out in Philadelphia every federal election? I'm pretty sure that's an -ist of some sort.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (GBKbO)
Are you suggesting that 115+% of voters DON'T turn out in Philadelphia every federal election? I'm pretty sure that's an -ist of some sort.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM (U7wke)
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>>>The older people living off of Social Security are getting jacked up their ass be John Holmes because of Biden-Flation !!!!!!!
Posted by: Buster Hymandd
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No shit.
Posted by: Buster Hymandd
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No shit.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM (bQ/08)
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155 Are you suggesting that 115+% of voters DON'T turn out in Philadelphia every federal election? I'm pretty sure that's an -ist of some sort.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM (U7wke)
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Realist?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM (U7wke)
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Realist?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM (GBKbO)
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Jive Turkey's
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM (NtVYv)
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Murdering Joe -- I mean Morning Joe, sorry, that's one of those "my robot brain filled in the wrong word" mistakes -- hypothesizes that the attacks on Joe Biden as incompetent may be turning voters away from Republicans. And maybe sympathizing with someone in a situation similar to their own.
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Maybe Trump should point out Creepy Joe wants to send whichever kids he can't sniff or shower with to the Ukraine front lines.
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Maybe Trump should point out Creepy Joe wants to send whichever kids he can't sniff or shower with to the Ukraine front lines.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM (xTwVZ)
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"CNN Poll Analyst: Trump Is On the Path to a Historic Performance With Black Voters"
The Dems are prepared for this. They trust that malcontents in their party will show their disaffection by not voting. The Dems will "help" the poor dears by submitting properly marked ballots in their name, assuring that the Democrats will have an "unexpectedly strong performance" on November 5.
The Dems are prepared for this. They trust that malcontents in their party will show their disaffection by not voting. The Dems will "help" the poor dears by submitting properly marked ballots in their name, assuring that the Democrats will have an "unexpectedly strong performance" on November 5.
Posted by: Jeff Powell at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM (xVVi6)
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Do you want your grandkids grow up in in a bankrupt,Third World shithole, or a sane country with a border?
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
Posted by: The Ad They Should Run for Seniors at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM (lcQJG)
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Courts don't mind counted ballots without any signature envelope when only the D candidates are filled in.
Envelopes don't matter. Only ballots matter.
Envelopes don't matter. Only ballots matter.
Posted by: torabora at June 17, 2024 01:36 PM (0Gnoc)
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This is nonsense. Every general election cycle we get this story. Every general election we find out it was bull excrement.
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Citation to any poll ever before showing this level of black support is missing.
I mean, I know DOOM is mother's milk around here.
But come on, the past it had always been bouncing around 10% or less. Where has it ever been this high?
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Citation to any poll ever before showing this level of black support is missing.
I mean, I know DOOM is mother's milk around here.
But come on, the past it had always been bouncing around 10% or less. Where has it ever been this high?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 01:36 PM (YqUuT)
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older republicans are moving towards biden
so you're voting for biden, mr french? mr kristol?
and there you have it, back to you, mika
so you're voting for biden, mr french? mr kristol?
and there you have it, back to you, mika
Posted by: gnats local 678 at June 17, 2024 01:36 PM (CWTWj)
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But it's not a pension. Those fancy "statements" are just marketing. It's a welfare program, nothing more. Never has been anything more.
The fact that it's involuntary is a bit of a tell. You don't usually have to force people to take something that's a good deal.
The fact that it's involuntary is a bit of a tell. You don't usually have to force people to take something that's a good deal.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:36 PM (xCA6C)
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Mika looks like somebody stuck a cattle prod in her butt
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (FTjSO)
MOOOOOO !
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2024 01:30 PM (FTjSO)
MOOOOOO !
Posted by: Mika's Butt at June 17, 2024 01:36 PM (NtVYv)
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The RNC should put some of their newfound money into ads that give some basic history. I would bet that if you polled 1000 adults at random, 80% would not know that the republican party was founded to abolish slavery. The same percentage wouldn't know the KKK was a democrat appendage or that Jim Crow laws were a democrat product. Just running the PragerU video would be enough.
Posted by: jwest at June 17, 2024 01:37 PM (VP9ao)
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:37 PM (bQ/08)
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The fact that it's involuntary is a bit of a tell. You don't usually have to force people to take something that's a good deal.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:36 PM (xCA6C)
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It was an earlier form of "they're too stupid to know what's good for 'em, so we have to force the issue" attitude.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:36 PM (xCA6C)
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It was an earlier form of "they're too stupid to know what's good for 'em, so we have to force the issue" attitude.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:37 PM (d04cU)
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Joe Scarborough's face resembles a fartclam.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:37 PM (Zz0t1)
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Given the total lack of numbers in the original quote I would prefer to go with "they are making the entire thing up". It would be trivial to skew that cohort into calling deep blue areas only. If over 65s were so hot for Dems they wouldn't be doing so poorly in Florida.
Posted by: Oldcat
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I can manipulate national polls quite easily by choosing what seniors to sample such as overweighting West Coast elderly Dems at the cost of Sunbelt elderly that tend more to GOP.
What I should clarify is that if your subgroup sample is below 500 or so, you basically have a crap shoot of whether you have a representative sample over all to make any kind of assertion of their voting behavior. The usual way back when I was doing empirical research was using either bootstrapping the few responses of a subgroup into a larger synthetic dataset or via backwards estimation from ecological regression.
That is of course assuming honest behavior by researchers.
Posted by: Oldcat
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I can manipulate national polls quite easily by choosing what seniors to sample such as overweighting West Coast elderly Dems at the cost of Sunbelt elderly that tend more to GOP.
What I should clarify is that if your subgroup sample is below 500 or so, you basically have a crap shoot of whether you have a representative sample over all to make any kind of assertion of their voting behavior. The usual way back when I was doing empirical research was using either bootstrapping the few responses of a subgroup into a larger synthetic dataset or via backwards estimation from ecological regression.
That is of course assuming honest behavior by researchers.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:37 PM (/0X3E)
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She used to be quite attractive. I suspect she has a portrait in her attic that keeps getting better looking.
Posted by: Oddbob
In the early 90s, she was a reporter with a local Fox Affiliate in Vermont, and I'm sure her looks in some of these reports didn't hurt her career progression! https://tinyurl.com/428c8cyr
She's in her late 50s now, so it's a little unfair to judge her looks now...few people look their best at that age!
Posted by: Oddbob
In the early 90s, she was a reporter with a local Fox Affiliate in Vermont, and I'm sure her looks in some of these reports didn't hurt her career progression! https://tinyurl.com/428c8cyr
She's in her late 50s now, so it's a little unfair to judge her looks now...few people look their best at that age!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 17, 2024 01:37 PM (JCZqz)
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CNN Poll Analyst: Trump Is On the Path to a Historic Performance With Black Voters
Breaking News: Democrats to call for Jim Crow Laws to be reintroduced
Breaking News: Democrats to call for Jim Crow Laws to be reintroduced
Posted by: Frank Barone at June 17, 2024 01:38 PM (+oR7L)
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Why would people who are 65 and older, who presumably are retired and living on a fixed income, be in favor of re-electing a man/administration that has massively hurt their cost of living in their "golden years"? This is backwards thinking. The Marxist Left Democrats/Deep State is radical and chaotic and makes the economy worse and unpredictable, not President Trump's America-first policies.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 17, 2024 01:34 PM
My guess is that this statement that President Trump would be chaotic and unpredictable is not a statement people 65 and older are saying to pollsters, but rather a statement that the media propaganda machine is trying to convince people 65 and older to believe is true. Just as 99% of polls are not accurate measures of public opinion, but rather propaganda to tell people how to think ("because X% of people in our poll think this, you should too!").
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 17, 2024 01:34 PM
My guess is that this statement that President Trump would be chaotic and unpredictable is not a statement people 65 and older are saying to pollsters, but rather a statement that the media propaganda machine is trying to convince people 65 and older to believe is true. Just as 99% of polls are not accurate measures of public opinion, but rather propaganda to tell people how to think ("because X% of people in our poll think this, you should too!").
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 17, 2024 01:38 PM (P5BPp)
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:38 PM (bQ/08)
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169 The fact that it's involuntary is a bit of a tell. You don't usually have to force people to take something that's a good deal.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:36 PM (xCA6C)
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It was an earlier form of "they're too stupid to know what's good for 'em, so we have to force the issue" attitude.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:37 PM (d04cU)
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Another tidbit from The Fog of War:
McNamara was talking about the birth of his first child. The hospital bill was $100. They paid $10 a month for 10 months.
No insurance.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:36 PM (xCA6C)
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It was an earlier form of "they're too stupid to know what's good for 'em, so we have to force the issue" attitude.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:37 PM (d04cU)
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Another tidbit from The Fog of War:
McNamara was talking about the birth of his first child. The hospital bill was $100. They paid $10 a month for 10 months.
No insurance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:38 PM (GBKbO)
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There's no way any large group of people, let alone conservatives, is "moving towards Biden". It makes zero sense.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:38 PM (BvTrf)
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In the early 90s, she was a reporter with a local Fox Affiliate in Vermont, and I'm sure her looks in some of these reports didn't hurt her career progression! https://tinyurl.com/428c8cyr
She's in her late 50s now, so it's a little unfair to judge her looks now...few people look their best at that age!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar
Read the nic, did not click.
She's in her late 50s now, so it's a little unfair to judge her looks now...few people look their best at that age!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar
Read the nic, did not click.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:39 PM (v6JzV)
Posted by: DaisyB at June 17, 2024 01:39 PM (AbL8c)
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177 There's no way any large group of people, let alone conservatives, is "moving towards Biden". It makes zero sense.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:38 PM (BvTrf)
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Recent immigrants?
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:38 PM (BvTrf)
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Recent immigrants?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:39 PM (GBKbO)
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She's in her late 50s now, so it's a little unfair to judge her looks now...few people look their best at that age!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 17, 2024 01:37 PM (JCZqz)
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 17, 2024 01:37 PM (JCZqz)
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at June 17, 2024 01:39 PM (T+Iwg)
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Read the nic, did not click.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:39 PM (v6JzV)
Well, this one is at least clothed......
Read the nic, did not click.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:39 PM (v6JzV)
Well, this one is at least clothed......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:40 PM (Zz0t1)
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Morning Joe: It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024.
TRANSLATION: We in the media will lie our ass's off even more than usual between now and the election.
TRANSLATION: We in the media will lie our ass's off even more than usual between now and the election.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (W/lyH)
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This busty bikini brunette is bemused by American politics:
http://tiny.cc/edsnyz
http://tiny.cc/edsnyz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (d04cU)
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"Yeah, I suspect half of official black voting numbers are fraudulent, creating by political machines in blue enclaves to cement power for themselves.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (GBKbO)"
This does create some challenging questions on allocating resources. Say for x dollars you can sway y number of black voters away from the Dems, and for the same dollars y number of middle class suburban wimmen. The problem is that the "yield" for black voters will be far less than y as opposed to more of a straight return in the suburban areas (due to outsized pollworker/machine fraud in the heavily black /urban areas).
And that's compounded by the problem of so much of the black vote in "hopelessly blue" electoral states --such that shifting 10% of the black vote still means you lose the state.
Not saying we shouldn't be making the case to black voters, but ROI is a real problem.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:17 PM (GBKbO)"
This does create some challenging questions on allocating resources. Say for x dollars you can sway y number of black voters away from the Dems, and for the same dollars y number of middle class suburban wimmen. The problem is that the "yield" for black voters will be far less than y as opposed to more of a straight return in the suburban areas (due to outsized pollworker/machine fraud in the heavily black /urban areas).
And that's compounded by the problem of so much of the black vote in "hopelessly blue" electoral states --such that shifting 10% of the black vote still means you lose the state.
Not saying we shouldn't be making the case to black voters, but ROI is a real problem.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (lcQJG)
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The progressives don't give a hoot if the poorer, less influential POC clap for Trump. Actual voting in many areas remains weak.
Well to do towns (my county & voting district is with a large part of Philly) will not contribute to community colleges but at election time they're the first to grab boxes of good from the USDA and make news distributing food.
They will not think of building homes for less than 800 grand in their communities, nor will they allow children from adjacent, now poorly rated schools to attend their now highly rated schools, nor will they opt to allow a broad program of school choice.
The progressives have well-educated POC and 'New Americans' on their side, the latter of which have also come into the country in record breaking numbers. We just see more about areas along the southern border, not the tens of thousands of fly-ins, marriages, citizenships via birth, etc.
There are increasing medical deserts for the 'middle;' there are almost no birthing centers for the 'middle,' there's less access to daycare, less $ assistance for education, for down payments for homes, etc.
Enough years pass & it becomes survival v. votes. Equality matters.
Well to do towns (my county & voting district is with a large part of Philly) will not contribute to community colleges but at election time they're the first to grab boxes of good from the USDA and make news distributing food.
They will not think of building homes for less than 800 grand in their communities, nor will they allow children from adjacent, now poorly rated schools to attend their now highly rated schools, nor will they opt to allow a broad program of school choice.
The progressives have well-educated POC and 'New Americans' on their side, the latter of which have also come into the country in record breaking numbers. We just see more about areas along the southern border, not the tens of thousands of fly-ins, marriages, citizenships via birth, etc.
There are increasing medical deserts for the 'middle;' there are almost no birthing centers for the 'middle,' there's less access to daycare, less $ assistance for education, for down payments for homes, etc.
Enough years pass & it becomes survival v. votes. Equality matters.
Posted by: L - If they do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (NFX2v)
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This busty bikini brunette is bemused by American politics:
http://tiny.cc/edsnyz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Man face. I call tranny.
http://tiny.cc/edsnyz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Man face. I call tranny.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:42 PM (v6JzV)
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But come on, the past it had always been bouncing around 10% or less. Where has it ever been this high?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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It hasn't and pollsters like a criminal accidentally telling the truth--- are finding life is pretty bad for a lot of folks in the US below 50 and getting worse by the day. It is worse for a small subset of oldsters but it was nowhere near as bad for them to start a family under today's society and economy.
This same reaction caused long time Labor strongholds to vote Conservative and for Brexit which the Conservative Tory party promptly squandered in favor of its version of GOP idiotic policies and cowardice.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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It hasn't and pollsters like a criminal accidentally telling the truth--- are finding life is pretty bad for a lot of folks in the US below 50 and getting worse by the day. It is worse for a small subset of oldsters but it was nowhere near as bad for them to start a family under today's society and economy.
This same reaction caused long time Labor strongholds to vote Conservative and for Brexit which the Conservative Tory party promptly squandered in favor of its version of GOP idiotic policies and cowardice.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:42 PM (/0X3E)
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What is this trial about?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (v6JzV)
As I understand it , did Karen Read intentionally try to kill off her policeman boyfriend by doing a three point car turn on him and leaving him in a snowbank o die, or is she being framed by someone (cops) who beat him to death and left him outside?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (v6JzV)
As I understand it , did Karen Read intentionally try to kill off her policeman boyfriend by doing a three point car turn on him and leaving him in a snowbank o die, or is she being framed by someone (cops) who beat him to death and left him outside?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2024 01:42 PM (XkYcA)
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185 Not saying we shouldn't be making the case to black voters, but ROI is a real problem.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (lcQJG)
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My solution would be to set up webcams across the street from voting stations and count the number of people going in and going out while matching them to official voting numbers.
Could have been done in the 80s with consumer grade equipment, but the GOP never did. Because they're totally not on the same side.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (lcQJG)
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My solution would be to set up webcams across the street from voting stations and count the number of people going in and going out while matching them to official voting numbers.
Could have been done in the 80s with consumer grade equipment, but the GOP never did. Because they're totally not on the same side.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:43 PM (GBKbO)
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You know what we need? Real choice.
Where have you gone, Chuy? A Commentariat turns its lonely eyes to you.
Where have you gone, Chuy? A Commentariat turns its lonely eyes to you.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 17, 2024 01:43 PM (nXdoA)
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Read the nic, did not click.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:39 PM (v6JzV)
Well, this one is at least clothed......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
And has no dick!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:39 PM (v6JzV)
Well, this one is at least clothed......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
And has no dick!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 17, 2024 01:43 PM (JCZqz)
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:44 PM (xCA6C)
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Chrissy Teigen Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Rachel Maddow Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Kamala Harris Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Chris Christie Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Rachel Maddow Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Kamala Harris Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Chris Christie Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024 01:44 PM (RHGPo)
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And has no dick!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 17, 2024 01:43 PM (JCZqz)
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Who's gonna go digging around to see what they find?
And has no dick!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 17, 2024 01:43 PM (JCZqz)
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Who's gonna go digging around to see what they find?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:44 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Meghan McCain at June 17, 2024 01:44 PM (BvTrf)
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---That and the Gaza pier make nice bookends to the current administration’s body of work.
Posted by: Oglebay.
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Body of work, heh.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (bQ/0
You can add the grand summer offensive in Ukraine in the summer of 23, that lost about half of its armor failing to even get to the first antitank ditch using NATO and US 'tactics'. What gains they got later were using 'meat' infantry assaults at a high cost in lives.
Posted by: Oglebay.
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Body of work, heh.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (bQ/0
You can add the grand summer offensive in Ukraine in the summer of 23, that lost about half of its armor failing to even get to the first antitank ditch using NATO and US 'tactics'. What gains they got later were using 'meat' infantry assaults at a high cost in lives.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:44 PM (eoQWY)
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This is nonsense. Every general election cycle we get this story. Every general election we find out it was bull excrement. Sure, there may be a handful more black voters of the male persuasion over age 35. But, just like every election before this one...female black voters will go over 90% for Biden or whomever they throw in the Dem ring. It's a given and always always always harked on before each general election.
Posted by: Orson at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM
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Trump needs to jump on automatic draft registration with both feet, saying this is the first step toward putting young black men disproportionately at risk of fighting whatever war Biden thinks will help them, and underscoring how loath he was to put American troops in harm's way unnecessarily.
Posted by: Orson at June 17, 2024 01:09 PM
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Trump needs to jump on automatic draft registration with both feet, saying this is the first step toward putting young black men disproportionately at risk of fighting whatever war Biden thinks will help them, and underscoring how loath he was to put American troops in harm's way unnecessarily.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 17, 2024 01:44 PM (wzAuc)
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Chris Christie Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024 01:44 PM (RHGPo)
Heh.
Freudian slip due to massive manboobs.
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024 01:44 PM (RHGPo)
Heh.
Freudian slip due to massive manboobs.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (Zz0t1)
200
I check the Civiqs polling on Biden, which breaks it down by demographic. I haven't looked at the methodology, but it matches the metric that the older cohort is giving the Cryptkeeper the highest rating among all of the age groups. Still, all of them are well below water.
They fucked us with Simpson Mazzoli, and they might fuck us with another Dem term on their way out the door. Be better, Boomers.
They fucked us with Simpson Mazzoli, and they might fuck us with another Dem term on their way out the door. Be better, Boomers.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (YIxO9)
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177 There's no way any large group of people, let alone conservatives, is "moving towards Biden". It makes zero sense.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:38 PM (BvTrf)
Morticians and funeral directors have detected a noticeable swing for Biden among dead people. "This fucking husk is so relatable," exclaimed one corpse, who is having a closed casket after being decapitated.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:38 PM (BvTrf)
Morticians and funeral directors have detected a noticeable swing for Biden among dead people. "This fucking husk is so relatable," exclaimed one corpse, who is having a closed casket after being decapitated.
Posted by: The Dead Vote at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (K+3RJ)
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You know what we need? Real choice.
Where have you gone, Chuy? A Commentariat turns its lonely eyes to you.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
We had choice, until you Christofascists took it away! Reeeeeee!!!
Where have you gone, Chuy? A Commentariat turns its lonely eyes to you.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
We had choice, until you Christofascists took it away! Reeeeeee!!!
Posted by: Rabid Woman with Pink Pussy Hat at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (JCZqz)
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In the early 90s, she was a reporter with a local Fox Affiliate in Vermont, and I'm sure her looks in some of these reports didn't hurt her career progression! https://tinyurl.com/428c8cyr
She's in her late 50s now, so it's a little unfair to judge her looks now...few people look their best at that age!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 17, 2024
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It's the Jardiance girl!
She's in her late 50s now, so it's a little unfair to judge her looks now...few people look their best at that age!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 17, 2024
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It's the Jardiance girl!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (J2vNu)
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Could have been done in the 80s with consumer grade equipment, but the GOP never did. Because they're totally not on the same side.
It isn't proof, but Josh Hawley recently dismissed the influence of the old GOPe, and said they're largely gone now, and it's Trump's party.
You may now return to your previously scheduled wrist-slitting.
It isn't proof, but Josh Hawley recently dismissed the influence of the old GOPe, and said they're largely gone now, and it's Trump's party.
You may now return to your previously scheduled wrist-slitting.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (xCA6C)
205
... that Biden thinks will help *him.*
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (wzAuc)
206
I just can't get over this dangerous disinformation that Joe Biden is old. Where do people get the idea that he is 81? Donald Trump is the one who is 81 years old. Joe Biden is our youngest president ever at 40, and this violence that people are committing by claiming he is old makes us look weak in front of our enemies and is destroying our democracy.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM (rsqyi)
207
I'm wondering just how many "celebrities" (and I use that word loosely as I don't recognize half the names) will claim that Trump will come to put him or her in a camp?
Chrissy Teigen? WTFIT???
Chrissy Teigen? WTFIT???
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM (W/lyH)
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Following on my other post, here is the Pew data:
Similarly, as Biden increased his level of support among White men in the 2020 election relative to Clinton’s in 2016, Trump gained among White women, which had the effect of further narrowing the gender gap among White voters. In 2016, Trump won White men by 30 points (62% to 32%). That gap narrowed to a 17-point margin for Trump in 2020 (57% to 40%). White women, a group sometimes categorized as swing voters and who broke nearly evenly in 2016 (47% for Trump to 45% for Clinton), favored him in 2020 (53% to 46%).
The white men movement would've been 6% of the entire electorate (that's equivalent to half of all blacks).
Similarly, as Biden increased his level of support among White men in the 2020 election relative to Clinton’s in 2016, Trump gained among White women, which had the effect of further narrowing the gender gap among White voters. In 2016, Trump won White men by 30 points (62% to 32%). That gap narrowed to a 17-point margin for Trump in 2020 (57% to 40%). White women, a group sometimes categorized as swing voters and who broke nearly evenly in 2016 (47% for Trump to 45% for Clinton), favored him in 2020 (53% to 46%).
The white men movement would've been 6% of the entire electorate (that's equivalent to half of all blacks).
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM (2fIO4)
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204 It isn't proof, but Josh Hawley recently dismissed the influence of the old GOPe, and said they're largely gone now, and it's Trump's party.
You may now return to your previously scheduled wrist-slitting.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (xCA6C)
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Again, I'll believe it when I see it.
He does have incentive to just say this thing that may not actually be true, though.
You may now return to your previously scheduled wrist-slitting.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (xCA6C)
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Again, I'll believe it when I see it.
He does have incentive to just say this thing that may not actually be true, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM (GBKbO)
210
My point is why aren't the polls showing greater margins for PDT, with all these new voters and equal loss of votes for Biden, PDT should be up 10% nationally, no?
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Irrelevant.
That the last, lagging-- and not even necessary--indicator.
1st is money. Trump is setting records; new donors big and small
2nd is swing states. Trump is up as much or more than Biden was this time in 2020. That's as much as a 10% swing in some states. That's not a small shift.
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Irrelevant.
That the last, lagging-- and not even necessary--indicator.
1st is money. Trump is setting records; new donors big and small
2nd is swing states. Trump is up as much or more than Biden was this time in 2020. That's as much as a 10% swing in some states. That's not a small shift.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM (YqUuT)
211
Morning Joe: It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024.
TRANSLATION: We in the media will lie our ass's off even more than usual between now and the election.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (W/lyH)
Gravitating, doddering, shambling. Not enough difference to make no neverminds.
TRANSLATION: We in the media will lie our ass's off even more than usual between now and the election.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (W/lyH)
Gravitating, doddering, shambling. Not enough difference to make no neverminds.
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM (6gW4D)
212
Read the nic, did not click.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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I fell for the good write up.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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I fell for the good write up.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM (bQ/08)
213
Gonna be lit AF when a crap ton of black voters show up at the polls and are told that they already voted by mail.
LOL.
LOL.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 17, 2024 01:47 PM (OiAR7)
214
It isn't proof, but Josh Hawley recently dismissed the influence of the old GOPe, and said they're largely gone now, and it's Trump's party.
You may now return to your previously scheduled wrist-slitting.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (xCA6C)
*tee hee*
- - - - Speaker Johnson meeting with John Boehner
You may now return to your previously scheduled wrist-slitting.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (xCA6C)
*tee hee*
- - - - Speaker Johnson meeting with John Boehner
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:47 PM (Zz0t1)
215
Joe Biden has a campaign commercial where he helpfully lists all of the ways he has tortured the legal system to persecute trump.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2024 01:47 PM (rsqyi)
216
Chrissy Teigen Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Trump: I have no feeling about you one way or the other. You're like... like lint or a bottle cap.
Trump: I have no feeling about you one way or the other. You're like... like lint or a bottle cap.
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024 01:47 PM (RHGPo)
217
Democrats are claiming there's a cohort of silent sympathy votes for a dementia addled pervert?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 01:47 PM (tT6L1)
218
I haven't seen polls specific to this. But it seems the people who absolutely hate Trump the most are black women.
What Trump ever do to them?
What Trump ever do to them?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 17, 2024 01:47 PM (TDz4H)
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210 Irrelevant.
That the last, lagging-- and not even necessary--indicator.
1st is money. Trump is setting records; new donors big and small
2nd is swing states. Trump is up as much or more than Biden was this time in 2020. That's as much as a 10% swing in some states. That's not a small shift.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM (YqUuT)
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It should also be noted that the national polls in 2020 were off by 7 points on average.
Towards Biden.
There was a hot moment when the polling firms were all aghast at how badly they had performed. There was even a public mea culpa.
But no changes have seemingly happened to the industry because they are not paid to gauge the will of the electorate.
That the last, lagging-- and not even necessary--indicator.
1st is money. Trump is setting records; new donors big and small
2nd is swing states. Trump is up as much or more than Biden was this time in 2020. That's as much as a 10% swing in some states. That's not a small shift.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM (YqUuT)
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It should also be noted that the national polls in 2020 were off by 7 points on average.
Towards Biden.
There was a hot moment when the polling firms were all aghast at how badly they had performed. There was even a public mea culpa.
But no changes have seemingly happened to the industry because they are not paid to gauge the will of the electorate.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:48 PM (GBKbO)
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I haven't seen polls specific to this. But it seems the people who absolutely hate Trump the most are black women.
What Trump ever do to them?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 17, 2024 01:47 PM (TDz4H)
Created the environment for job creation.
What Trump ever do to them?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 17, 2024 01:47 PM (TDz4H)
Created the environment for job creation.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:48 PM (Zz0t1)
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Amazing that railroading someone through the legal system might resonate with black voters...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 17, 2024 01:48 PM (uxCna)
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“ hypothesizes that the attacks on Joe Biden as incompetent may be turning voters away from Republicans. ”
This race is about two visions for the future, The Ruling Iron Hand Authoritarian Democrats whose nightmare we are living, and Republicans who stand for liberty and a constitutional republic. Biden is just the figurehead and should not be the focus. Watch how the polls turn negative for Trump if almost any Democrat replaces Biden. That’s because of Trump’s penchant to speak about personalities and not policies.
This race is about two visions for the future, The Ruling Iron Hand Authoritarian Democrats whose nightmare we are living, and Republicans who stand for liberty and a constitutional republic. Biden is just the figurehead and should not be the focus. Watch how the polls turn negative for Trump if almost any Democrat replaces Biden. That’s because of Trump’s penchant to speak about personalities and not policies.
Posted by: Truthbomb at June 17, 2024 01:48 PM (nxfBy)
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In the early 90s, she was a reporter with a local Fox Affiliate in Vermont, and I'm sure her looks in some of these reports didn't hurt her career progression! https://tinyurl.com/428c8cyr
She's in her late 50s now, so it's a little unfair to judge her looks now...few people look their best at that age!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 17, 2024
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It's the Jardiance girl!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (J2vNu)
Help me Rhonda, yeah! Get her out of my heart.
She's in her late 50s now, so it's a little unfair to judge her looks now...few people look their best at that age!
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 17, 2024
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It's the Jardiance girl!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 17, 2024 01:45 PM (J2vNu)
Help me Rhonda, yeah! Get her out of my heart.
Posted by: Al Jardine at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (6gW4D)
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Trump: I have no feeling about you one way or the other. You're like... like lint or a bottle cap.
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024 01:47 PM (RHGPo)
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Hey, lint and bottle caps can be useful!
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024 01:47 PM (RHGPo)
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Hey, lint and bottle caps can be useful!
Posted by: Nat'l Assn. of Lint and Bottle Cap Purveyors at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (3Fz6p)
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Trump has no path to winning the general. We must commit our time and resources to a counter campaign to destroy him in the general.
-GOPe.
-GOPe.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (rsqyi)
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"older republicans are moving towards biden"
Prepping the Steal. A lot of cheating in red areas.
Prepping the Steal. A lot of cheating in red areas.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (Z8Yh2)
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This busty bikini brunette is bemused by American politics:
http://tiny.cc/edsnyz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (d04cU)
I'm flagging this.
"Bemusement" has a negative connotation. It implies frustration. That lady is more like me (except for the good looks).
That look says "oh boy. You're doing the thing. I'm going to drink tequila and pretend I'm listening while I think about what I'm having for dinner."
http://tiny.cc/edsnyz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (d04cU)
I'm flagging this.
"Bemusement" has a negative connotation. It implies frustration. That lady is more like me (except for the good looks).
That look says "oh boy. You're doing the thing. I'm going to drink tequila and pretend I'm listening while I think about what I'm having for dinner."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (0FoWg)
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Dems want to nationalize 401Ks.
Posted by: mrp at June 17, 2024 01:11 PM (rj6Yv)
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All money is the government's money. Here, peasant, an IOU.
Dems want to nationalize 401Ks.
Posted by: mrp at June 17, 2024 01:11 PM (rj6Yv)
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All money is the government's money. Here, peasant, an IOU.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (MoZTd)
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*tee hee*
- - - - Speaker Johnson meeting with John Boehner
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe
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Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, a devout Christian, has funded; full term abortion clinics, the trans adgenda on children, did nothing to secure the southern border, funded the FBI and gave them a brand new building, fully funded the DOJ, the green new deal,...
How did Christian conservative Mike Johnson go from being that way, voting that way to being Speaker of the House that actually funds that adgenda? What in the world happened? Whould make this man do this?
https://tinyurl.com/mucnwubh
- - - - Speaker Johnson meeting with John Boehner
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe
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Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, a devout Christian, has funded; full term abortion clinics, the trans adgenda on children, did nothing to secure the southern border, funded the FBI and gave them a brand new building, fully funded the DOJ, the green new deal,...
How did Christian conservative Mike Johnson go from being that way, voting that way to being Speaker of the House that actually funds that adgenda? What in the world happened? Whould make this man do this?
https://tinyurl.com/mucnwubh
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (bQ/08)
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haven't seen polls specific to this. But it seems the people who absolutely hate Trump the most are black women.
31% of Biden's Federal judicial appointments are black women.
3% of the lawyers in the United States are black women.
31% of Biden's Federal judicial appointments are black women.
3% of the lawyers in the United States are black women.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (uxCna)
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Amazing that railroading someone through the legal system might resonate with black voters...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 17, 2024 01:48 PM (uxCna)
To tell a family secret, my grandmother was Dutch.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 17, 2024 01:48 PM (uxCna)
To tell a family secret, my grandmother was Dutch.
Posted by: Sheriff Bart at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (6gW4D)
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225 Trump has no path to winning the general. We must commit our time and resources to a counter campaign to destroy him in the general.
-GOPe.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (rsqyi)
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Don't forget taking all the money from Moreno's campaign against Sherrod Brown in Ohio to support Logan in Maryland, creating a series of ads that are so out of touch and wrong that they actually do manage to break through: to lose Logan the election.
-GOPe.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (rsqyi)
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Don't forget taking all the money from Moreno's campaign against Sherrod Brown in Ohio to support Logan in Maryland, creating a series of ads that are so out of touch and wrong that they actually do manage to break through: to lose Logan the election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (GBKbO)
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A good question is - will black groups who vote for Trump also vote downstream for non-(D) politicians?
The GOP(e), being the Stupid Party, are probably trying to distance themselves away from Trump because "feels" and "muh principles". Instead, they should be looking at what he's doing, and seek to understand
Then again, the problem is, Trump is authentic. Not in the sense that he's an Honest Abe or a Washington that couldn't tell a lie. But in the "New York! What a city! Best city in the world, amirite?" way when talking to other New Yorkers. Because he lived there. Because he helped build it himself.
The GOP... isn't. They're full of platitudes, but when it comes to doing actual good, they don't. What has the GOP built lately? Or even in the current millennium? Other than kabuki theater?
The GOP(e), being the Stupid Party, are probably trying to distance themselves away from Trump because "feels" and "muh principles". Instead, they should be looking at what he's doing, and seek to understand
Then again, the problem is, Trump is authentic. Not in the sense that he's an Honest Abe or a Washington that couldn't tell a lie. But in the "New York! What a city! Best city in the world, amirite?" way when talking to other New Yorkers. Because he lived there. Because he helped build it himself.
The GOP... isn't. They're full of platitudes, but when it comes to doing actual good, they don't. What has the GOP built lately? Or even in the current millennium? Other than kabuki theater?
Posted by: Another Anon at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (QNMaY)
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That look says "oh boy. You're doing the thing. I'm going to drink tequila and pretend I'm listening while I think about what I'm having for dinner."
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (0FoWg)
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LOL.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2024 01:49 PM (0FoWg)
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LOL.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (d04cU)
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DJT and GOP also needs to start the (true) narrative, early and often that they're not running "against Joe Biden" so much as an unelected, shadow Cabinet of the most radical Obama-Clinton retreads.
Hard to put on a bumper sticker but I think most voters have processed this to some degree, and the "Biden" voters tell themselves that they're "comfortable" with Joe partly because they sense that others are in fact running the country, supposedly aligned with their views. But if brought into the open, I think a lot more "traditional Democrats" would break ranks (or stay home) if they had to consciously confront that they're basically voting for the Politburo.
Hard to put on a bumper sticker but I think most voters have processed this to some degree, and the "Biden" voters tell themselves that they're "comfortable" with Joe partly because they sense that others are in fact running the country, supposedly aligned with their views. But if brought into the open, I think a lot more "traditional Democrats" would break ranks (or stay home) if they had to consciously confront that they're basically voting for the Politburo.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (lcQJG)
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What is this trial about?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (v6JzV)
As I understand it , did Karen Read intentionally try to kill off her policeman boyfriend by doing a three point car turn on him and leaving him in a snowbank o die, or is she being framed by someone (cops) who beat him to death and left him outside?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2024 01:42 PM (XkYcA)
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This seems to be a local Boston-area story, but I have some friends in the area. They are 100% convinced Read is innocent and has been framed for this. I don't know enough to have an opinion. The lead investigator was a real slimy scumbag, though.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:32 PM (v6JzV)
As I understand it , did Karen Read intentionally try to kill off her policeman boyfriend by doing a three point car turn on him and leaving him in a snowbank o die, or is she being framed by someone (cops) who beat him to death and left him outside?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2024 01:42 PM (XkYcA)
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This seems to be a local Boston-area story, but I have some friends in the area. They are 100% convinced Read is innocent and has been framed for this. I don't know enough to have an opinion. The lead investigator was a real slimy scumbag, though.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (iFTx/)
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216 Chrissy Teigen Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Trump: I have no feeling about you one way or the other. You're like... like lint or a bottle cap.
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024
The amount of narcissism it takes to think Trump is going to come after you personally is quite impressive. And we have had a few lately pop their heads up to let us know how important they find themselves.
Trump: I have no feeling about you one way or the other. You're like... like lint or a bottle cap.
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024
The amount of narcissism it takes to think Trump is going to come after you personally is quite impressive. And we have had a few lately pop their heads up to let us know how important they find themselves.
Posted by: Piper at June 17, 2024 01:51 PM (p4NUW)
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The 65+ voters hate FJB more than any demographic. They remember when you could buy groceries, and when America was respected around the world. They remember when it was prey easy to tell the difference between a man and a woman and when going to church was a religious experience and not a political experience.
Posted by: Megthered at June 17, 2024 01:51 PM (8hKPY)
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Jive Turkey's
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM
This close to Thanksgiving? Ain't cool.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 17, 2024 01:35 PM
This close to Thanksgiving? Ain't cool.
Posted by: Big Black Guy at June 17, 2024 01:51 PM (ZANHd)
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I'm sure that the media would let me know if my thinkings was not well thought out.
Posted by: Humphreyrobot at June 17, 2024 01:51 PM (J8LnB)
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re 184: at best a c+, and even then only if she's right wing, smart, likes mozart, and has a pretty voice.
like i'm a great catch
like i'm a great catch
Posted by: gnats local 678 at June 17, 2024 01:51 PM (CWTWj)
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Not saying we shouldn't be making the case to black voters, but ROI is a real problem.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (lcQJG)
You could actually recruit some young candidates to continually run and press the flesh the old fashioned way and make them at least have to work for it. AOC toppled a Dem heavyweight that way before she sold out, and you could train up operatives, and future candidates and action groups out of petty cash the GOP wastes on its current bullcrap and marketing. Hire the candidates on to other peoples staffs who did win later.
Scott Pressley did more good work in inner city areas just picking up some trash and he was barely political than GOPe has done in 50 years.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 01:41 PM (lcQJG)
You could actually recruit some young candidates to continually run and press the flesh the old fashioned way and make them at least have to work for it. AOC toppled a Dem heavyweight that way before she sold out, and you could train up operatives, and future candidates and action groups out of petty cash the GOP wastes on its current bullcrap and marketing. Hire the candidates on to other peoples staffs who did win later.
Scott Pressley did more good work in inner city areas just picking up some trash and he was barely political than GOPe has done in 50 years.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:51 PM (eoQWY)
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Morning Joe: It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024.
________
In PA, this means old Catholic ladies with JFK fantasies and brain-dead union retirees.
Morning Joe: It seems more older (65+) voters are gravitating to re-elect Joe Biden in 2024.
________
In PA, this means old Catholic ladies with JFK fantasies and brain-dead union retirees.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2024 01:51 PM (MoZTd)
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Hi, PG. How are things?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:25 PM (v6JzV)
Lil Pooky was sluggish last week due 50% of his energy going toward brain development. We've found out his attention span is about 2 chapters of a book being read to him. He really loves music, which is no surprise, and so Pookette now plays everything at at least mezzo forte unless otherwise indicated.
Hi, PG. How are things?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:25 PM (v6JzV)
Lil Pooky was sluggish last week due 50% of his energy going toward brain development. We've found out his attention span is about 2 chapters of a book being read to him. He really loves music, which is no surprise, and so Pookette now plays everything at at least mezzo forte unless otherwise indicated.
Posted by: pookysgirl gets kicked if she sits wrong at June 17, 2024 01:51 PM (dtlDP)
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What's up with Mikahunt's face? She looks botoxed to the max. The wall is never nice.
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at June 17, 2024 01:52 PM (f87vz)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 01:52 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: A Typical AFWL! at June 17, 2024 01:52 PM (uxCna)
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Which is why the GOP has been stuck in the Voter ID mode of fighting for election integrity for decades now: it doesn't actually affect much while the GOP makes tiny bits of progress over the years while the actual meat of cheating is never addressed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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The mailin ballot fraud has a limit. The easiest way which the RNC is finally doing is suing localities and states that have not purged their voting rolls of dead, moved, or fraudulent registrations. A lot of that is occurring below the Conservative Media TM coverage and certainly below the Mainstream Media coverage. Arizona is one of the jurisdictions being sued for something around 500k to 700k dead, moved, or fake registrants.
The Dems run permanent voting registrations via ngos and dark money to replenish the fake voter pool of registrants and to keep their cheater army employed for ballot harvesting around election time.
BTW, you can challenge fake voting registrants your self in your home county via the elections manager. You look for multiple registrants at one commercial location such as a shopping mall address, voters over 120 years of age, voters missing required data fields, etc
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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The mailin ballot fraud has a limit. The easiest way which the RNC is finally doing is suing localities and states that have not purged their voting rolls of dead, moved, or fraudulent registrations. A lot of that is occurring below the Conservative Media TM coverage and certainly below the Mainstream Media coverage. Arizona is one of the jurisdictions being sued for something around 500k to 700k dead, moved, or fake registrants.
The Dems run permanent voting registrations via ngos and dark money to replenish the fake voter pool of registrants and to keep their cheater army employed for ballot harvesting around election time.
BTW, you can challenge fake voting registrants your self in your home county via the elections manager. You look for multiple registrants at one commercial location such as a shopping mall address, voters over 120 years of age, voters missing required data fields, etc
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:52 PM (/0X3E)
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Made it to the end of Monday, 4 more to go
Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2024 01:52 PM (kTDNu)
250
The older folks who do not need their Social Security payments (aka "gravy") are seeing the stock market and property values at all time highs.
Posted by: Anti-Faucist at June 17, 2024 01:52 PM (qUkBO)
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I do hope Dave in Fla will rejoin us for polling discussions. In all seriousness.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:53 PM (z/ifB)
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Lil Pooky was sluggish last week due 50% of his energy going toward brain development. We've found out his attention span is about 2 chapters of a book being read to him. He really loves music, which is no surprise, and so Pookette now plays everything at at least mezzo forte unless otherwise indicated.
Posted by: pookysgirl
LOL. Good to hear.
Posted by: pookysgirl
LOL. Good to hear.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:53 PM (v6JzV)
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This 65+ voter is watching the income from his fixed-sum pension dwindle to the amount needed to buy a pack of gum.
This 65+ voter is watching the income from his fixed-sum pension dwindle to the amount needed to buy a pack of gum.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2024 01:53 PM (MoZTd)
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65+ the ones in the lovely neighborhoods, and the ones in senior, nice public housing with a full range of services including transportation provided for medical appointments, food shopping, etc.
Posted by: L - If they do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at June 17, 2024 01:53 PM (NFX2v)
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As I understand it , did Karen Read intentionally try to kill off her policeman boyfriend by doing a three point car turn on him and leaving him in a snowbank o die, or is she being framed by someone (cops) who beat him to death and left him outside?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2024 01:42 PM (XkYcA)
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This seems to be a local Boston-area story, but I have some friends in the area. They are 100% convinced Read is innocent and has been framed for this. I don't know enough to have an opinion. The lead investigator was a real slimy scumbag, though.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (iFTx/)
Hard to believe you could get up any oomph on Boston's crap streets in a 3 point turn when snow is on the ground to kill someone. Snowbanks are usually softish, too.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2024 01:42 PM (XkYcA)
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This seems to be a local Boston-area story, but I have some friends in the area. They are 100% convinced Read is innocent and has been framed for this. I don't know enough to have an opinion. The lead investigator was a real slimy scumbag, though.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (iFTx/)
Hard to believe you could get up any oomph on Boston's crap streets in a 3 point turn when snow is on the ground to kill someone. Snowbanks are usually softish, too.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (eoQWY)
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221 Amazing that railroading someone through the legal system might resonate with black voters...
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Even the women.
..............my boy
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Even the women.
..............my boy
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (bQ/08)
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Trump resonates with people at the lower end of the financial spectrum. It’s not about black or white, it never was and identity politics are the Democrats game. It’s about the fact that people in those lower income brackets are the ones being pummeled by Democrats policies. For years they’ve kept those people voting for them with graft and handouts. But life never gets better for them. They continuously stand around ever cycle like Oliver, asking for more please. Perhaps they’ve found their dignity and also realize that when Trump changed things last time, it got a lot better for them and their families.
Posted by: Truthbomb at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (nxfBy)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (v6JzV)
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{barely even tangentially-related rant}
They are people, not objects.
"These voters include ... many of *whom* are tired of ..."
They're people. Who, not what.
{/rant}
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (d04cU)
Can we do countable nouns next?
They are people, not objects.
"These voters include ... many of *whom* are tired of ..."
They're people. Who, not what.
{/rant}
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:20 PM (d04cU)
Can we do countable nouns next?
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (z/ifB)
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The GOP... isn't. They're full of platitudes, but when it comes to doing actual good, they don't. What has the GOP built lately? Or even in the current millennium? Other than kabuki theater?
Posted by: Another Anon at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (QNMaY)
They wave a stack of empty papers with a cover page that says Repeal of ObamaCare. Only later do you find out that they lied.
They threaten strongly worded letters and bloviate during committee hearings.
They wrap themselves in the flag and even come to their home districts once during election season.
What the hell more do you want?
Posted by: Another Anon at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (QNMaY)
They wave a stack of empty papers with a cover page that says Repeal of ObamaCare. Only later do you find out that they lied.
They threaten strongly worded letters and bloviate during committee hearings.
They wrap themselves in the flag and even come to their home districts once during election season.
What the hell more do you want?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (FCbAQ)
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Black women don't GAF about judicial appointments. They think Trump is a sexist racist. That's it in a nutshell.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (BvTrf)
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This 65+ voter is watching the income from his fixed-sum pension dwindle to the amount needed to buy a pack of gum.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2024 01:53 PM (MoZTd)
And they've seen it all before from the previous holder of worst President Ever, Carter.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2024 01:53 PM (MoZTd)
And they've seen it all before from the previous holder of worst President Ever, Carter.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (eoQWY)
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Can we do countable nouns next?
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (z/ifB)
++++
:: twitch ::
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (z/ifB)
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:: twitch ::
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (d04cU)
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What has the GOP built lately? Or even in the current millennium? Other than kabuki theater?
Posted by: Another Anon
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The GOP has given you endless wars, open borders, and surrender to leftists in the social arena. But they have built their bank accounts up while doing just that.
Posted by: Another Anon
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The GOP has given you endless wars, open borders, and surrender to leftists in the social arena. But they have built their bank accounts up while doing just that.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (/0X3E)
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Trump's losing badly among voters who believe their family members were eaten by cannibals.
Posted by: Wally at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (hqVaF)
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194 Chrissy Teigen Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Rachel Maddow Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Kamala Harris Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Chris Christie Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024 01:44 PM (RHGPo)
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What are you doing. Giving Akbar hints for future links?
Save us, Joe Mannix, you are our only hope!
Rachel Maddow Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Kamala Harris Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Chris Christie Fears Trump Will ‘Come After’ Her If He Wins Election
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024 01:44 PM (RHGPo)
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What are you doing. Giving Akbar hints for future links?
Save us, Joe Mannix, you are our only hope!
Posted by: Eeyore at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (1bNHn)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (v6JzV)
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It seems as if white educated women hate Trump as much as black women.
Neither can say why, though. They can throw out terms like bigot and homophobe, say he screws porn stars, but they really cannot pinpoint examples.
Neither can say why, though. They can throw out terms like bigot and homophobe, say he screws porn stars, but they really cannot pinpoint examples.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (ZtgZZ)
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Aren't the elderly (specifically nursing homes) where ballot harvesters clean up? So aren't they conditioning us for a fraud they know they'll need to ramp up (e.g. fraudulent + harvested ballots from nursing homes = "elderly people are now supporting Biden!")?
Kinda feels like the night time reporting on Nov 3, 2020, when the talking heads were all saying yeah, Trump is up, but mail-in ballots are still pending in WI, AZ, and GA, and it's expected come morning that Biden will be in the lead...
Kinda feels like the night time reporting on Nov 3, 2020, when the talking heads were all saying yeah, Trump is up, but mail-in ballots are still pending in WI, AZ, and GA, and it's expected come morning that Biden will be in the lead...
Posted by: bearski at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (Bhsk7)
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Sunday Talks – House Intel Chairman Mike Turner Explains How His Team and Intel Community Will Control Speaker Johnson and MAGA Republicans
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (RHGPo)
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In PA, this means old Catholic ladies with JFK fantasies and brain-dead union retirees.
yep
in PA pensions aren't taxed, so we are overrun with fed and union retirees
trust me, I live amongst them - they've come from all over the country to be here and they are liberal as all f*ck
yep
in PA pensions aren't taxed, so we are overrun with fed and union retirees
trust me, I live amongst them - they've come from all over the country to be here and they are liberal as all f*ck
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2024 01:56 PM (s3qiR)
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We were told the same thing in 2020, we were also told Trump was winning the black vote for Republicans in 2018, and that did not happen either.
2022? Nope, no there either.
2022? Nope, no there either.
Posted by: MarineVet at June 17, 2024 01:56 PM (VcZlJ)
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Can we do countable nouns next?
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (z/ifB)
Wasn't that a song by Warren Zevon?
Can we do countable nouns next?
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (z/ifB)
Wasn't that a song by Warren Zevon?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:56 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2024 01:56 PM (MoZTd)
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Snowbanks are usually softish, too.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (eoQWY)
On the coast where you get freeze/thaw they turn into glaciers. I don't know about Boston but coastal CT our snowbanks were not gentle.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (eoQWY)
On the coast where you get freeze/thaw they turn into glaciers. I don't know about Boston but coastal CT our snowbanks were not gentle.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:56 PM (z/ifB)
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As I understand it , did Karen Read intentionally try to kill off her policeman boyfriend by doing a three point car turn on him and leaving him in a snowbank o die, or is she being framed by someone (cops) who beat him to death and left him outside?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2024 01:42 PM (XkYcA)
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This seems to be a local Boston-area story, but I have some friends in the area. They are 100% convinced Read is innocent and has been framed for this. I don't know enough to have an opinion. The lead investigator was a real slimy scumbag, though.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (iFTx/)
Hard to believe you could get up any oomph on Boston's crap streets in a 3 point turn when snow is on the ground to kill someone. Snowbanks are usually softish, too.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (eoQWY)
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That's one of their beefs with the case. It's a major story in Boston and they are following every word of the trial. It would appear there are some serious holes in the prosecution's case, and some motivations on the part of the police to frame her.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2024 01:42 PM (XkYcA)
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This seems to be a local Boston-area story, but I have some friends in the area. They are 100% convinced Read is innocent and has been framed for this. I don't know enough to have an opinion. The lead investigator was a real slimy scumbag, though.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (iFTx/)
Hard to believe you could get up any oomph on Boston's crap streets in a 3 point turn when snow is on the ground to kill someone. Snowbanks are usually softish, too.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (eoQWY)
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That's one of their beefs with the case. It's a major story in Boston and they are following every word of the trial. It would appear there are some serious holes in the prosecution's case, and some motivations on the part of the police to frame her.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (iFTx/)
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Amazing that railroading someone through the legal system might resonate with black voters...
Posted by: The ARC of History!
I don't buy this at all. Blacks don't seem too broke up when someone non-black gets railroaded. As a demographic, their complaints about the criminal justice system are distinctly tribal.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
I don't buy this at all. Blacks don't seem too broke up when someone non-black gets railroaded. As a demographic, their complaints about the criminal justice system are distinctly tribal.
Posted by: I think we're engaging in a lot of wishcasting at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (K+3RJ)
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255 As I understand it , did Karen Read intentionally try to kill off her policeman boyfriend by doing a three point car turn on him and leaving him in a snowbank o die, or is she being framed by someone (cops) who beat him to death and left him outside?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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One thing that rises along with vigilantism is rogue cops.
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One thing that rises along with vigilantism is rogue cops.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (bQ/08)
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Can we do countable nouns next?
Posted by: TexasDan
We need less of those.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (v6JzV)
Ban this one ace.
Posted by: TexasDan
We need less of those.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:55 PM (v6JzV)
Ban this one ace.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (z/ifB)
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The primary steal in 2020 was not accomplished via electronic voting but by fake mail in ballots submitted by non existent or non voting but registered voters.
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Yup.
The Kraken was such obvious bullshit; the Dominion and Venezuela retardation was the worst.
Which was egged in by the Dems as it was so easily the stupidest of claims.
Allowing them to dismiss out-of-hand ALL fraud claims. Including the actual, real fraud ballots mailed in.
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Yup.
The Kraken was such obvious bullshit; the Dominion and Venezuela retardation was the worst.
Which was egged in by the Dems as it was so easily the stupidest of claims.
Allowing them to dismiss out-of-hand ALL fraud claims. Including the actual, real fraud ballots mailed in.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (YqUuT)
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And they've seen it all before from the previous holder of worst President Ever, Carter.
Posted by: Oldcat
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If I remember correctly, a majority of the Boomer cohort voted for Carter both times but older voters didn't.
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If I remember correctly, a majority of the Boomer cohort voted for Carter both times but older voters didn't.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (/0X3E)
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@248 The mailin ballot fraud has a limit. ...whig"
1000%. The bloated voter rolls are like a slush fund for fraud. Cut off the funding (clean up the rolls) and its much harder to pull off at scale.
And, this is the sort of legal challenge the GOP can and should be doing massively, well before the election, before we get caught up in the post election impossibility of seeking "emergency recounts" opposing certification, etc without being able to conduct any thorough investigation before it's too late.
1000%. The bloated voter rolls are like a slush fund for fraud. Cut off the funding (clean up the rolls) and its much harder to pull off at scale.
And, this is the sort of legal challenge the GOP can and should be doing massively, well before the election, before we get caught up in the post election impossibility of seeking "emergency recounts" opposing certification, etc without being able to conduct any thorough investigation before it's too late.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (lcQJG)
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Chrissy Teigen's face looks like Thurman Munson's catcher's mitt.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Come Sail Away with me, You guys at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (xPJvm)
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"This seems to be a local Boston-area story, but I have some friends in the area. They are 100% convinced Read is innocent and has been framed for this. I don't know enough to have an opinion. The lead investigator was a real slimy scumbag, though."
The only question is whether she is acquitted or there is a hung jury. The state and town cops are corrupt goofballs and the prosecution and its witnesses are incompetent boobs.
The only question is whether she is acquitted or there is a hung jury. The state and town cops are corrupt goofballs and the prosecution and its witnesses are incompetent boobs.
Posted by: Anti-Faucist at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (qUkBO)
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Has CNN found the plane yet?
Posted by: Look in the black hole at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (K9ii6)
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Can we do countable nouns next?
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (z/ifB)
Wasn't that a song by Warren Zevon?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:56 PM (Zz0t1)
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A countable noun, they all said.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (z/ifB)
Wasn't that a song by Warren Zevon?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:56 PM (Zz0t1)
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A countable noun, they all said.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (3Fz6p)
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280 Allowing them to dismiss out-of-hand ALL fraud claims. Including the actual, real fraud ballots mailed in.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (YqUuT)
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While pulling Steven Crowder completely off Youtube for going to addresses in Nevada where voters supposedly lived only to find empty lots.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (YqUuT)
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While pulling Steven Crowder completely off Youtube for going to addresses in Nevada where voters supposedly lived only to find empty lots.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (GBKbO)
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Can we do countable nouns next?
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (z/ifB)
Begun the grammar wars have.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM (z/ifB)
Begun the grammar wars have.
Posted by: Count de Monet at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (6gW4D)
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Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
Hadrian, I'm very sorry about your little puppy that you lost. That's heartbreaking.
Hadrian, I'm very sorry about your little puppy that you lost. That's heartbreaking.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM (v6JzV)
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I just can't get over this dangerous disinformation that Joe Biden is old. Where do people get the idea that he is 81? Donald Trump is the one who is 81 years old. Joe Biden is our youngest president ever at 40, and this violence that people are committing by claiming he is old makes us look weak in front of our enemies and is destroying our democracy.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM
Cut. Jib. Guest spot on our panel?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 17, 2024 01:46 PM
Cut. Jib. Guest spot on our panel?
Posted by: The View at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM (nXdoA)
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A lot of young blacks are on TikTok. TikTok has a yuge underground conservative userbase.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM (FRT/w)
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A countable noun, they all said.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (3Fz6p)
*fistbump*
A countable noun, they all said.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (3Fz6p)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM (Zz0t1)
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So knowing about Democrat vote fraud. Let's say we have 10,000 fraudulent mail in ballots, all for Biden, of course, and then 5000 of those people show up and cast a ballot for Trump.
First, would they be allowed to even vote? Second: would the two ballots essentially cancel each other out? I mean, it seems really really hard to say that we should throw out the in person ballot and count the mail in one. At best, just throw them both out.
In which case at the very least blacks for Trump will remove a vote from Biden.
First, would they be allowed to even vote? Second: would the two ballots essentially cancel each other out? I mean, it seems really really hard to say that we should throw out the in person ballot and count the mail in one. At best, just throw them both out.
In which case at the very least blacks for Trump will remove a vote from Biden.
Posted by: SimoHayha at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM (FthWa)
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A good question is - will black groups who vote for Trump also vote downstream for non-(D) politicians?
The GOP(e), being the Stupid Party, are probably trying to distance themselves away from Trump because "feels" and "muh principles". Instead, they should be looking at what he's doing, and seek to understand
Posted by: Another Anon at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (QNMaY)
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In a lot of areas they don't have a choice. When I lived in inner city Chicago the only R I could vote for was Governor and US Senator.
California's illegal 'jungle primary' does a similar thing now, you have a choice of 2 Democrats most of the time.
The GOP(e), being the Stupid Party, are probably trying to distance themselves away from Trump because "feels" and "muh principles". Instead, they should be looking at what he's doing, and seek to understand
Posted by: Another Anon at June 17, 2024 01:50 PM (QNMaY)
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In a lot of areas they don't have a choice. When I lived in inner city Chicago the only R I could vote for was Governor and US Senator.
California's illegal 'jungle primary' does a similar thing now, you have a choice of 2 Democrats most of the time.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 02:00 PM (eoQWY)
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282 And, this is the sort of legal challenge the GOP can and should be doing massively, well before the election, before we get caught up in the post election impossibility of seeking "emergency recounts" opposing certification, etc without being able to conduct any thorough investigation before it's too late.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (lcQJG)
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There are efforts, stemming from third party groups like True the Vote.
But some jurisdictions are just outright not following subsequent judicial orders. I think I saw that Michigan simply hasn't cleaned up their rolls despite a court ruling.
When Michigan then gets 110% turnout on unclean voter rolls, to say that it wasn't genuine will be insurrection.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (lcQJG)
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There are efforts, stemming from third party groups like True the Vote.
But some jurisdictions are just outright not following subsequent judicial orders. I think I saw that Michigan simply hasn't cleaned up their rolls despite a court ruling.
When Michigan then gets 110% turnout on unclean voter rolls, to say that it wasn't genuine will be insurrection.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 02:00 PM (GBKbO)
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In the first time it has issued such a decision, a federal appeals court Wednesday cleared the way for a lawsuit against a Miami-Dade County police officer who fatally shot a resident's American bulldog. A three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned key parts of a district judge's decision that dismissed a lawsuit filed by resident Sylvan Plowright after the shooting of his dog, Niles. The appeals court said Plowright can pursue civil claims against Officer Sergio Cordova for unreasonable seizure of property under the U.S. Constitution's Fourth Amendment and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2024 02:00 PM (RHGPo)
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While pulling Steven Crowder completely off Youtube for going to addresses in Nevada where voters supposedly lived only to find empty lots.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (GBKbO)
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Let's not forget the guys who did statistical analysis of voting counting patterns and called BS on the counts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (GBKbO)
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Let's not forget the guys who did statistical analysis of voting counting patterns and called BS on the counts.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 02:00 PM (tT6L1)
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First, would they be allowed to even vote? Second: would the two ballots essentially cancel each other out? I mean, it seems really really hard to say that we should throw out the in person ballot and count the mail in one. At best, just throw them both out.
In which case at the very least blacks for Trump will remove a vote from Biden.
Posted by: SimoHayha at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM (FthWa)
They would dump out the first box of ballots and replace it with a substitute box.
In which case at the very least blacks for Trump will remove a vote from Biden.
Posted by: SimoHayha at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM (FthWa)
They would dump out the first box of ballots and replace it with a substitute box.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 02:01 PM (eoQWY)
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*TikTok has a yuge underground conservative userbase.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM*
Cite your evidence.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM*
Cite your evidence.
Posted by: Maybe it's just bots at June 17, 2024 02:01 PM (K9ii6)
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Correction: Her face looks like Thurman Munson's catcher's mitt AFTER THE PLANE CRASH.
Too soon?
Too soon?
Posted by: Wally at June 17, 2024 02:01 PM (hqVaF)
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293 First, would they be allowed to even vote? Second: would the two ballots essentially cancel each other out? I mean, it seems really really hard to say that we should throw out the in person ballot and count the mail in one. At best, just throw them both out.
In which case at the very least blacks for Trump will remove a vote from Biden.
Posted by: SimoHayha at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM (FthWa)
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It depends on where.
In some places, you cannot vote again even if you show up in person. In others, I think it becomes a provisional ballot.
In which case at the very least blacks for Trump will remove a vote from Biden.
Posted by: SimoHayha at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM (FthWa)
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It depends on where.
In some places, you cannot vote again even if you show up in person. In others, I think it becomes a provisional ballot.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 02:01 PM (GBKbO)
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Hadrian, I'm very sorry about your little puppy that you lost. That's heartbreaking.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Thank you. He had his whole life to live and suddenly he was dead.
Hadrian, I'm very sorry about your little puppy that you lost. That's heartbreaking.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Thank you. He had his whole life to live and suddenly he was dead.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 17, 2024 02:01 PM (MoZTd)
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297 While pulling Steven Crowder completely off Youtube for going to addresses in Nevada where voters supposedly lived only to find empty lots.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (GBKbO)
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Let's not forget the guys who did statistical analysis of voting counting patterns and called BS on the counts.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 02:00 PM (tT6L1)
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That's just nonsense! Also, there was a single ping from Alfa bank to Trump's servers! Guilty!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (GBKbO)
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Let's not forget the guys who did statistical analysis of voting counting patterns and called BS on the counts.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 02:00 PM (tT6L1)
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That's just nonsense! Also, there was a single ping from Alfa bank to Trump's servers! Guilty!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 02:02 PM (GBKbO)
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How many testimonials of "I tried to vote but someone already did it in my name" or "I didn't vote but the system says I did" are we going to see?
Posted by: pookysgirl, trying not to worry but failing at June 17, 2024 01:24 PM (dtlDP)
You won't see any of them. The system is always improving when it comes to hiding things TPTB don't want seen.
Posted by: pookysgirl, trying not to worry but failing at June 17, 2024 01:24 PM (dtlDP)
You won't see any of them. The system is always improving when it comes to hiding things TPTB don't want seen.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 02:02 PM (U7wke)
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304 You won't see any of them. The system is always improving when it comes to hiding things TPTB don't want seen.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 02:02 PM (U7wke)
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Little old black women having to show a voter ID to vote?
Voter suppression.
Little old black women being told they already voted when they never even received a mail in ballot?
Out Precious Democracy.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2024 02:02 PM (U7wke)
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Little old black women having to show a voter ID to vote?
Voter suppression.
Little old black women being told they already voted when they never even received a mail in ballot?
Out Precious Democracy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 02:03 PM (GBKbO)
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If I remember correctly, a majority of the Boomer cohort voted for Carter both times but older voters didn't.
Posted by: whig at
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First election Ford issued typical politico speak; Carter, and it was a big topic, was going to make nuclear energy safe for America.
If I remember correctly, a majority of the Boomer cohort voted for Carter both times but older voters didn't.
Posted by: whig at
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First election Ford issued typical politico speak; Carter, and it was a big topic, was going to make nuclear energy safe for America.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 02:03 PM (bQ/08)
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293 So knowing about Democrat vote fraud. Let's say we have 10,000 fraudulent mail in ballots, all for Biden, of course, and then 5000 of those people show up and cast a ballot for Trump.
First, would they be allowed to even vote? Second: would the two ballots essentially cancel each other out? I mean, it seems really really hard to say that we should throw out the in person ballot and count the mail in one. At best, just throw them both out.
In which case at the very least blacks for Trump will remove a vote from Biden.
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Pretty sure in PA in 2020, there were stories about GOP voters showing up on election day and being rebuffed at check-in because records showed they already voted. People talked about huge ordeals to challenge that the prior vote wasn't theirs. It's definitely harder to get the prior 'vote' nullified, regardless of the documentation you bring.
First, would they be allowed to even vote? Second: would the two ballots essentially cancel each other out? I mean, it seems really really hard to say that we should throw out the in person ballot and count the mail in one. At best, just throw them both out.
In which case at the very least blacks for Trump will remove a vote from Biden.
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Pretty sure in PA in 2020, there were stories about GOP voters showing up on election day and being rebuffed at check-in because records showed they already voted. People talked about huge ordeals to challenge that the prior vote wasn't theirs. It's definitely harder to get the prior 'vote' nullified, regardless of the documentation you bring.
Posted by: bearski at June 17, 2024 02:03 PM (Bhsk7)
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"So knowing about Democrat vote fraud. Let's say we have 10,000 fraudulent mail in ballots, all for Biden, of course, and then 5000 of those people show up and cast a ballot for Trump."
Set up a national hotline with massive operator staffing and a well organized database (and well publicized) prior to the election: 1-800- VoteStolen
Deterrence and evidence for litigation in one package.
Set up a national hotline with massive operator staffing and a well organized database (and well publicized) prior to the election: 1-800- VoteStolen
Deterrence and evidence for litigation in one package.
Posted by: Zek at June 17, 2024 02:04 PM (lcQJG)
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First, would they be allowed to even vote? Second: would the two ballots essentially cancel each other out? I mean, it seems really really hard to say that we should throw out the in person ballot and count the mail in one. At best, just throw them both out.
well this happens a lot in Philly you'll be surprised to learn! (not)
happened a whole ton in 2020 - people came in to vote and whoops! somehow they'd already voted by mail.
they were allowed to "vote provisionally" and then it got stuck in some random box. soon to never be seen again. there were reports around here of vast areas of shredded or just dump ballots.
well this happens a lot in Philly you'll be surprised to learn! (not)
happened a whole ton in 2020 - people came in to vote and whoops! somehow they'd already voted by mail.
they were allowed to "vote provisionally" and then it got stuck in some random box. soon to never be seen again. there were reports around here of vast areas of shredded or just dump ballots.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2024 02:04 PM (s3qiR)
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First election Ford issued typical politico speak; Carter, and it was a big topic, was going to make nuclear energy safe for America.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 02:03 PM (bQ/0
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Apparently by gutting the nuclear power industry.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 02:03 PM (bQ/0
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Apparently by gutting the nuclear power industry.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 17, 2024 02:04 PM (3Fz6p)
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Christie Tiegen was the model for Waylon Flowers "Madame"
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at June 17, 2024 02:04 PM (ZV+pB)
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We got this.
Posted by: Dominion Systems at June 17, 2024 02:05 PM (K9ii6)
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Allowing them to dismiss out-of-hand ALL fraud claims. Including the actual, real fraud ballots mailed in.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (YqUuT)
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While pulling Steven Crowder completely off Youtube for going to addresses in Nevada where voters supposedly lived only to find empty lots.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (GBKbO)
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I think it's both. The clumsy handling of the "Kraken" soured the whole effort, but I think there was significant digital vote changes. We saw one happen in real time. The Dum's explanation for that was complete bullshit.
Then Dominion flat-out lied that the voting totals could not be changed over the internet (they definitely could be).
And let's not forget the yuge push for Dominion voting machines in blue jurisdictions. That tells me something.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (YqUuT)
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While pulling Steven Crowder completely off Youtube for going to addresses in Nevada where voters supposedly lived only to find empty lots.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, obsessively pursuing evil with Friedkin at June 17, 2024 01:58 PM (GBKbO)
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I think it's both. The clumsy handling of the "Kraken" soured the whole effort, but I think there was significant digital vote changes. We saw one happen in real time. The Dum's explanation for that was complete bullshit.
Then Dominion flat-out lied that the voting totals could not be changed over the internet (they definitely could be).
And let's not forget the yuge push for Dominion voting machines in blue jurisdictions. That tells me something.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 02:06 PM (iFTx/)
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First, would they be allowed to even vote? Second: would the two ballots essentially cancel each other out? I mean, it seems really really hard to say that we should throw out the in person ballot and count the mail in one. At best, just throw them both out.
If anything, you throw out the mail in ballot. Unknown provenance vs in person with ID.
If anything, you throw out the mail in ballot. Unknown provenance vs in person with ID.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2024 02:06 PM (f5vQ9)
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I listened to as many Trump speeches as I could in 2016 and he went from a halting speaker to very skilled orator. Bunches of it was him playing the blowhard but more bunches of it was him pitching his story hard. Stylistically nothing changed in 2020 but he started make a play to the groups the Democrats have been taking for granted for decades and he had some success. In 2024 Trump smelled FJB chuming the water for him and went all in on expanding his base to include Blacks and Hispanic and it is working; this man is not overlooking a single voter this time out. More to the point he actually has a positive record here and it is resonating especially with the young voters - they are sick of the misery of the Democrat plantation. We have a long way to go but they way things are starting to break he could be well above 300 electoral votes and a big part of that will be minorities and young going for him. Plus making him a legit political martyr is going to down in history as one the greatest screwups ever.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram at June 17, 2024 02:06 PM (fuTvC)
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Watch how the polls turn negative for Trump if almost any Democrat replaces Biden. That’s because of Trump’s penchant to speak about personalities and not policies.
Posted by: Truthbomb
Elections and voters don't really work that way. Even many people on the Right spends far too much time worrying about personalities including Trump's rather than constructing a winning message and communicating it effectively.
Trump's genius is simply not being bound by GOP donor groups on policy recommendations like the no taxing tips or moving to tariffs instead of income taxes.
Both of those positions are an anathema to GOP pols in office because they invert whose taxes are to be trimmed and harm donor class investments in global corporations.
Posted by: Truthbomb
Elections and voters don't really work that way. Even many people on the Right spends far too much time worrying about personalities including Trump's rather than constructing a winning message and communicating it effectively.
Trump's genius is simply not being bound by GOP donor groups on policy recommendations like the no taxing tips or moving to tariffs instead of income taxes.
Both of those positions are an anathema to GOP pols in office because they invert whose taxes are to be trimmed and harm donor class investments in global corporations.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 02:06 PM (/0X3E)
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309... they were allowed to "vote provisionally" and then it got stuck in some random box. soon to never be seen again. there were reports around here of vast areas of shredded or just dump ballots.
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Yeah, and I remember reports of people digging into when their alleged vote was cast, and it was up to a couple months prior for some. The point was 'they' had been up to this for months, if I'm remembering correctly...
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Yeah, and I remember reports of people digging into when their alleged vote was cast, and it was up to a couple months prior for some. The point was 'they' had been up to this for months, if I'm remembering correctly...
Posted by: bearski at June 17, 2024 02:06 PM (Bhsk7)
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That is disheartening. On the bright side, if we actually end up with a leader who won an election because people said, "I'm voting for him because he's a senile dementia patient, too!" then at least we've finally gotten conclusive proof that the idea of people choosing their own leaders is long past its shelf date.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at June 17, 2024 02:06 PM (2AUjo)
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so yeah you'd want to have people at the polling stations in Philly say
problem is, there are jillions of them here, some in stores, some in schools ... some in HOUSES
it's nuts
you'd need a LOT of toughskinned lawyers to cover it all!
do you guys remember the Black Panthers thing? they were there to protect the Delivery Of The Ballots - and mess with anyone who didn't like how things were done
problem is, there are jillions of them here, some in stores, some in schools ... some in HOUSES
it's nuts
you'd need a LOT of toughskinned lawyers to cover it all!
do you guys remember the Black Panthers thing? they were there to protect the Delivery Of The Ballots - and mess with anyone who didn't like how things were done
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2024 02:06 PM (s3qiR)
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Voter irregularities in TX, the governor says, we're going to get them.
Voter irregularities in MI, the governor says, go for it.
Voter irregularities in MI, the governor says, go for it.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 17, 2024 02:07 PM (bQ/08)
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GOP apologists are like Bill Dauterive.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 17, 2024 02:07 PM (0FoWg)
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One thing that rises along with vigilantism is rogue cops.
Posted by: Braenyard
Is that you Harry?
One thing that rises along with vigilantism is rogue cops.
Posted by: Braenyard
Is that you Harry?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 17, 2024 02:07 PM (pUmP9)
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NOOD
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 02:07 PM (iFTx/)
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An Ann Selzer/Des Moines Register poll today has Trump +18 in IA in a 4-way race, i.e., including Kennedy & the Libertarian Party nominee.
In 2020, Trump won IA by 8 points.
That's quite a shift. Hope it portends the same movement in WI & MI.
In 2020, Trump won IA by 8 points.
That's quite a shift. Hope it portends the same movement in WI & MI.
Posted by: mnw at June 17, 2024 02:07 PM (NLIak)
Posted by: Back in the day at June 17, 2024 02:07 PM (K9ii6)
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Apparently by gutting the nuclear power industry.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 17, 2024 02:04 PM (3Fz6p)
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Yeah, Carter was responsible for making it illegal to recycle spent fuel rods, I believe.
Yeah, spent fuel rods are not used, up, they've merely fallen below the threshold needed to sustain a fission reaction. I don't know all the ins and out of reworking fuel rods. However, I do know France does it quite well. Or, at least, they used to.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 17, 2024 02:04 PM (3Fz6p)
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Yeah, Carter was responsible for making it illegal to recycle spent fuel rods, I believe.
Yeah, spent fuel rods are not used, up, they've merely fallen below the threshold needed to sustain a fission reaction. I don't know all the ins and out of reworking fuel rods. However, I do know France does it quite well. Or, at least, they used to.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2024 02:08 PM (tT6L1)
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Nood.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 17, 2024 02:08 PM (pUmP9)
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It would appear there are some serious holes in the prosecution's case, and some motivations on the part of the police to frame her.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (iFTx/)
Conflict of interest: It ain't just for Judge Merchan anymore.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2024 01:57 PM (iFTx/)
Conflict of interest: It ain't just for Judge Merchan anymore.
Posted by: pookysgirl inows IGs exist for a reason at June 17, 2024 02:08 PM (dtlDP)
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Hard to believe you could get up any oomph on Boston's crap streets in a 3 point turn when snow is on the ground to kill someone. Snowbanks are usually softish, too.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM
Suburbs, not the crap streets of Boston. I want to say Canton. Otherwise, yeah...the local sentiment seems to be that it's a frame up, and the local cops are as corrupt as the day is long.
Meh. South shore story.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 17, 2024 01:54 PM
Suburbs, not the crap streets of Boston. I want to say Canton. Otherwise, yeah...the local sentiment seems to be that it's a frame up, and the local cops are as corrupt as the day is long.
Meh. South shore story.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2024 02:09 PM (ZANHd)
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Mandatory grocery shopping before voting this year.
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Posted by: redridinghood at June 17, 2024 02:09 PM (NpAcC)
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I think it's both. The clumsy handling of the "Kraken" soured the whole effort, but I think there was significant digital vote changes. We saw one happen in real time. The Dum's explanation for that was complete bullshit.
Then Dominion flat-out lied that the voting totals could not be changed over the internet (they definitely could be).
And let's not forget the yuge push for Dominion voting machines in blue jurisdictions. That tells me something.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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It is relatively trivial to create all kinds of havoc with electronic voting without paper trails for the voter, not the state, to be able to keep.
Puerto Rico is just the latest to demonstrate that electronic voting and reporting needs to be canned and paper ballots return with OCR scanning.
Ideally, no more centralized urban vote count centers either. Votes should be tabulated and reported by the precincts after closing--not sent to a central place to be lost, stolen, or manipulated.
Then Dominion flat-out lied that the voting totals could not be changed over the internet (they definitely could be).
And let's not forget the yuge push for Dominion voting machines in blue jurisdictions. That tells me something.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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It is relatively trivial to create all kinds of havoc with electronic voting without paper trails for the voter, not the state, to be able to keep.
Puerto Rico is just the latest to demonstrate that electronic voting and reporting needs to be canned and paper ballots return with OCR scanning.
Ideally, no more centralized urban vote count centers either. Votes should be tabulated and reported by the precincts after closing--not sent to a central place to be lost, stolen, or manipulated.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2024 02:10 PM (/0X3E)
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well this happens a lot in Philly you'll be surprised to learn! (not)
happened a whole ton in 2020 - people came in to vote and whoops! somehow they'd already voted by mail.
they were allowed to "vote provisionally" and then it got stuck in some random box. soon to never be seen again. there were reports around here of vast areas of shredded or just dump ballots.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2024 02:04 PM (s3qiR)
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Yeah, so the person that stole you identity and voted gets that ballot counted but you, the victim of identity theft, gets to have your ballot put in a special section that only counts in the event the race is close enough for a recount. So the procedure is to keep counting fake ballots until that 0.5% threshold doesn't matter.
happened a whole ton in 2020 - people came in to vote and whoops! somehow they'd already voted by mail.
they were allowed to "vote provisionally" and then it got stuck in some random box. soon to never be seen again. there were reports around here of vast areas of shredded or just dump ballots.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 17, 2024 02:04 PM (s3qiR)
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Yeah, so the person that stole you identity and voted gets that ballot counted but you, the victim of identity theft, gets to have your ballot put in a special section that only counts in the event the race is close enough for a recount. So the procedure is to keep counting fake ballots until that 0.5% threshold doesn't matter.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 17, 2024 02:10 PM (2fIO4)
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Can we do countable nouns next?
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024
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Fewer people on the street. Less coffee in your cup.
"Why is a raven like a writing desk? The higher the fewer, of course! Have some more tea!"
Posted by: TexasDan at June 17, 2024
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Fewer people on the street. Less coffee in your cup.
"Why is a raven like a writing desk? The higher the fewer, of course! Have some more tea!"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 17, 2024 02:11 PM (J2vNu)
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In 2024 Trump smelled FJB chuming the water for him and went all in on expanding his base to include Blacks and Hispanic and it is working; this man is not overlooking a single voter this time out. More to the point he actually has a positive record here and it is resonating especially with the young voters - they are sick of the misery of the Democrat plantation
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People were all amazed at Trump's Bronx speech.
It's the same speech he's been giving for months.
Trump is honing a message.
Biden is recycling his.
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People were all amazed at Trump's Bronx speech.
It's the same speech he's been giving for months.
Trump is honing a message.
Biden is recycling his.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 17, 2024 02:13 PM (YqUuT)
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Oh Hadrian I'm so sorry.
Posted by: ... at June 17, 2024 02:17 PM (BvTrf)
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Joe is still slated to get 114% of the black vote (or more if necessary) in Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, and Milwaukee.
Posted by: tommylotto at June 17, 2024 02:17 PM (6QQM8)
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TikTok has a yuge underground conservative userbase.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM*
Cite your evidence.
Posted by: Maybe it's just bots at June 17, 2024 02:01 PM (K9ii6)
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Argue a point.
You can spend 5 minutes scrolling through TikTok. Just because you don’t use the platform means nothing to reality.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 17, 2024 01:59 PM*
Cite your evidence.
Posted by: Maybe it's just bots at June 17, 2024 02:01 PM (K9ii6)
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Argue a point.
You can spend 5 minutes scrolling through TikTok. Just because you don’t use the platform means nothing to reality.
Posted by: insurgens ad opus at June 17, 2024 02:48 PM (Z9YJK)
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Evidence that seniors trending to Biden vs. 2020 may be real:
- Their distrust of legacy media is nowhere near the level of distrust among younger demos.
- Seniors consume far more far-left and crazy-left content, which today includes CBS-NBC-ABC-CNN-MSNBC, than younger people.
- Anecdotal -- visiting retirement communities around where I live, I STILL see about 10% of residents and a fair number of employees wearing masks all day long, which would seem to indicate that there's way too much trust in the COVID-era government, scientific and medical lies.
- Their distrust of legacy media is nowhere near the level of distrust among younger demos.
- Seniors consume far more far-left and crazy-left content, which today includes CBS-NBC-ABC-CNN-MSNBC, than younger people.
- Anecdotal -- visiting retirement communities around where I live, I STILL see about 10% of residents and a fair number of employees wearing masks all day long, which would seem to indicate that there's way too much trust in the COVID-era government, scientific and medical lies.
Posted by: Litany Of Lies at June 17, 2024 02:59 PM (2lLpr)
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They know who did better for America especialy in the Jobs Market and No Inflation
Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 17, 2024 04:08 PM (wGqjj)
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