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Men Exiting Cancel Culture

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Happy Father's Day Weekend! This week, I ran across some content on cancel culture and one guy who survived it. He is now helping other men to survive or elude it. He was once cancelled (he quickly lost his job for satire and snark on social media unrelated to his job). The unusual part of the story is that he recovered by doing something beyond Substack.

Part of his own focus this week is on social media, Twitter/X in particular (where he still has a sort of unusual presence). Twitter/X is much less toxic than it was before it was bought by Elon Musk (to the dismay of many on "the other side").

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Today's featured cancel culture survivor still warns people to be careful there. He turns to Tolkien to help describe "doom-scrolling" or "doomscrolling". I don't know if there is a set spelling yet for this thing that we may sometimes do ourselves.

But here is something that is also wild that kind of fits in with what he is saying (see below) about doom-scrolling, from November of last year: Ann Althouse on a conversation between Elon Musk and Joe Rogan:

Listen to the whole context. He's responding to Joe's prompt to tell us why he bought Twitter, and - - warning that it would sound melodramatic -- he says he thought that Twitter had taken the mindset of the San Francisco area and amplified it and made it dominant to the point where all life on Earth was in danger. There's quite a lot of talk of the "Extinctionist" movement, and the phrase "death cult" is used repeatedly.

"If you take environmentalism to an extreme," Musk says, "You start to view humanity as a plague on the surface of the earth, like a mold or something." He asserts that the Earth could do well with 10 times as many people as we have now.

ADDED: Musk goes on to talk about AI: "If AI gets programmed by the Extinctionists, it's utility function will be the extinction of humanity."

We've seen some odd results of AI programming lately. The algorithm often seems to have escaped human intentions. Perhaps we need to think about escaping the algorithm.

Cancel Culture

Social media didn't start doxxing and cancel culture, but these phenomena are much worse now, whether they are confined to social media or involve other entities.

Exiting Cancel Culture

Matt Himes writes in Align:

Two years before his suicide, journalist Gary Webb looked back on the reporting that ultimately destroyed his career:

I was winning awards, getting raises, lecturing college classes, appearing on TV shows, and judging journalism contests. And then I wrote some stories that made me realize how sadly misplaced my bliss had been. The reason I'd enjoyed such smooth sailing for so long hadn't been, as I'd assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job. ... The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress.

That changed with the August 1996 publication of "Dark Alliance," a series of stories Webb wrote for the San Jose Mercury News linking the 1980s explosion of crack cocaine in black Los Angeles neighborhoods to Nicaragua's Contra Rebels, "a Latin American guerrilla army run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency." . . .

And it was Webb's jealous fellow journalists, not the CIA, who went on the attack, running story after story attempting to discredit his research. Eventually, Webb's own editor caved to the pressure, issuing a craven mea culpa, which prompted Webb to quit not long after. . . .

Some of the particulars of the attacks on Webb remind me that books have been written for prospective whistleblowers about how to prepare for the experience. And today, you don't even have to attack a whistleblower's information. You just need to call him a bad name.

Hence the anonymity of many people who express ideas which The Left might not like.

It's typical that so many self-styled champions of "democracy" refuse to acknowledge the samizdat-like underground they themselves have helped create. Articulating the wrong opinions out loud can have serious repercussions.

Doxxy lady

Consider the testimony of this writer's former coworker (and occasional Align contributor), prolific cultural critic and satirist Peachy Keenan.

"I am a longtime Twitter anon," Keenan tells me. "I am on my third or fourth account on X. But I used to live in terror that I would be exposed at my corporate office."

Peachy Keenan has been semi-public since last year and survives. The successful doxxing of another target, Jonathan Keeperman, is also described. He turned the attack to his advantage after losing a job at UC Irvine. Interesting, scary reading. This leads to the primary subject of this piece:

Doxxer's delight

In the immediate aftermath of Keeperman's doxing, his friend Kevin Dolan (who writes under the name Bennett's Phylactery) wrote as succinct and eloquent a description of what motivates the doxx-posé as you'll read anywhere:

Journalistic doxxing in its purest form is a kind of "dead drop" - - the delivery of a bland intelligence product from one organ of state security to another.

The only reason to broadcast this intelligence product on a public media outlet is:

To create the legal pretext for an enforcement action by Lomez's EEOC-accountable employers, investors, etc.

To suggest the threat of violence by regime irregulars (mentally ill antifa goons).

To activate whatever social consequences can be created for Lomez and his family.

Follow the link above. Unimaginable.

How Dolan got cancelled

Dolan writes from experience; he himself was doxxed in 2021 when an anonymous group of leftists posted a lengthy dossier on him accusing him of racism, anti-Semitism, and homophobia.

The "charges," such as they are, stem from posts Dolan, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, made on a Discord server he shared with other conservative LDS members.

The main activity was making impolite jokes and poking fun at mainstream liberal orthodoxy. In other words, the kind of perfectly normal goofing around that people like Dolan's doxers are quick to identify as "hateful, racist, anti-feminist, xenophobic, and other offensive content."

"I was doxxed on a Sunday night," Dolan told me. "Because it was national security job, I had to go report it immediately [Monday morning], which I did. And then was told to leave the campus that day. And then I was fired on Wednesday."

Naturally, the wanton torpedoing of Dolan's career was an irresistible scoop for the Guardian's man on the extremism beat.

Jason Wilson was happy to give the anonymous collective's smear campaign the sheen of journalistic respectability. All he had to do for his byline was repeat the group's vague, unverified accusations while leaving out a few telling adjectives like "vile."

Unlike Keeperman, Dolan had not completely dox-proofed his life. His job was the sole means of support for his large, growing family.

Dolan considered taking legal action or hiring a reputation management service; both options were prohibitively expensive. At any rate, finding a new job in his field was going to be a challenge. He had ample student debt and no health insurance.

What Dolan did have was the sizable online following he'd attracted with his commentary and advice; he'd often wondered how he might turn that into some kind of business. But Dolan had never considered himself to be the entrepreneurial, "grindset" type.

The really scary part

"I was very deep in the mindset of 'I've been a finance drone my entire career,' " says Dolan. "I have no marketable skills. There is nothing I can take anywhere else, which from a resume perspective is true. If I had to go apply for jobs right now, I would be as up a creek as anybody in the job market right now."

His sudden unemployment, cushioned by a recent bonus payment from the job he'd just lost, forced him to get serious, a process he describes as "build[ing] the plane in flight."

A friend helps A LOT in this kind of a situation

A friend helped him build the plane, and helped to keep him from over-thinking. The plane is called EXIT. You can read about the organization, or even join it, at one of the X links below. It focuses on men, which is unusual these days.

Resistance

While grateful for the success he's found, Dolan is well aware that not everyone can follow a similar path. "I think doxxing is basically a solved problem if you're willing to be like an extremely online rightwing celebrity, right? If you're willing to do the podcast circuit and play a character. And I'm not denigrating that, I do that. I enjoy what I do for a living now, it's meaningful to me."

EXIT's central purpose is to make this kind of independence available to anyone who wants it, including those who have no interest in being some kind of culture warrior. "Normal people with mouths to feed," as Dolan puts it.

"The paradigm that is dominant in the United States and the West in general is incompatible with human life and human civilization. It sterilizes everything it touches," says Dolan. And the more people who have the tools to resist this paradigm, the weaker it becomes.

"We can't let them win. We can't just let them have these uncontested slam dunks on our guys. Because every time it happens, every time someone gets cratered by one of these doxes, how many tens of thousands of people clam up and realize they shouldn't speak up?" . .

"A lot of what we're up against is not other human beings. What we're up against is these distributed headless incentive systems," Dolan says. "I don't think of myself as [being] at war with any person or class of people; I see myself as at war with Skynet."

With this in mind, the key to victory is simply presenting a better alternative. "[EXIT] is about presenting something positive and constructive and optimistic," says Dolan. "What if we could take back the reins in a way that worked for everybody?"

That's a tall order. Think it can be done?

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Are you familiar with this "extremely online rightwing celebrity"? Does that head give you the creeps?

The guidelines above seem to me like good ones for the typical Twitter doom-scroller. If you click on the graphic, you can get deeper into his position against the algorithm, with a comparison to Tolkien:

Twitter is not a real place

About a decade ago, the rationalists came up with a way to talk about demons.

An "egregore" may act like a malign supernatural intelligence - - but it is actually just an aggregation of perverse incentives that generates outcomes which fail to reflect the ultimate desires of any individual within the system.

The depth of coordination and cunning exhibited by these systems/entities sometimes seems like it must reflect some kind of wicked intentionality - - but perhaps that intentionality only exists within aggregated human minds.

Whether you prefer a supernatural or materialistic explanation, these forces are definitely real, and they are both nonhuman (they cannot be persuaded, dissuaded, or motivated like humans) and superhuman (they are beyond our control, and difficult to resist.)

These forces now dominate every aspect of Western life - - but especially your access to information, which is now almost 100% mediated through algorithmic content aggregation.

This means that your model of the world is at best only coincidentally accurate, since the process that generates the model has almost nothing to do with the truth.

Besides which, no extant form of media has the bandwidth to convey reality at the scale of global events - - and even if Elon made it, your brain would be helpless to process it. The World can only be pulled through your mortal eyeballs at a catastrophic loss of resolution. . .

You don't have to believe that this is literally dark and dangerous magic; but not much would be different if it were.

Tolkien

The palantiri are magic seeing stones in The Lord of the Rings that enable transmission of knowledge and thought across great distances, but which require a powerful will to control what is seen and communicated. . .

At the time, commentators assumed Tolkien was saying something fairly obvious about wartime propaganda -- but his description of Denethor's spiritual battle with the palantir is prophetic:

the Lord Denethor is unlike other men: he sees far. Some say that as he sits alone in his high chamber in the Tower at night, and bends his thought this way and that, he can read somewhat of the future; and that he will at times search even the mind of the Enemy, wrestling with him. And so it is that he is old, worn before his time. . .

In Unfinished Tales, Tolkien says that unlike Saruman, Denethor was kept from total domination by Sauron because of his rightful claim to the palantir, and the fact that his searching was rooted in honest love for Gondor and its people. He "remained steadfast in his rejection of Sauron, but was made to believe that his victory was inevitable, and so fell into despair."

All of this is just a straightforward description of Twitter.

You are presumably reading this on your palantir because you, like Denethor, are looking for ways to protect yourself and the people you care about - - to learn the enemy's disposition of forces, and find tools to defeat him.

You may feel like you're immune to propaganda because you look around and see how easily so many of your friends and family have bent the knee to obvious absurdities, while you are Built Different - - but the truth is that the enemy has basically given up trying to persuade you of anything.

The propaganda that comes for you and me is the kind delivered by the Mouth of Sauron. . .

There's much more at the link. Including some commentary on the guidelines for improving your cognitive security while scrolling on your palantir. With some links. Dense information, whether you agree with it or not.

Fortunately, AI is debasing the coin of this type of propaganda, rendering it "unreal " in an even more basic sense - - which will hopefully help smart people to disengage. Stop giving social media algorithms root access to your limbic system.

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On the other hand, a spy chief is joining the OpenAI Board.

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Scrolling through the Twitter/X posts and retweets of a cancelled guy

I don't think Bennett's Phylactery @extradeadjcb is a real fan of the current Republican governor of Utah and his"disagree better" campaign.

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@extradeadjcb coins another one:

The key to solving the birth rate is for women to see men doing man stuff. Win wars etc.

Makes me think, this explains why Israel is the only western state with above replacement fertility

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Concerning polyamory:

From the inside, getting rewired by psychedelics feels like revelation - "wow, we're all one mind, borders & possessions are fake"

From the outside, it looks like damage to the part of the brain that understands the differences between things & the utility of boundaries

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I don't think insurgency is the right model for what's coming anyway

The thing to do in the post-Soviet collapse was not to start shooting at the police

The purpose of your IRL network is to stay safe, & (to the extent possible) liquid and productive

That may seem like small ball but it isn't, power is going on sale

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There is literally nothing that can happen that will make me care about the WNBA

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Weekend

After reading and discussing the above, you may need to be extra careful about toxic masculinity this weekend.

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Music

1812 Overture with cannons. Prepare the animals appropriately.

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs


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Last week's thread, June 8, It starts with P and it rhymes with G but it ends with Q

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.


Posted by: K.T. at 11:01 AM




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1 first?

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 15, 2024 11:07 AM (QNSds)

2 Now this is a lengthy post.

Posted by: BignJames at June 15, 2024 11:10 AM (AwYPR)

3 Someone explain to me how a piece of music celebrating a Napoleonic war came to be featured every July 4 in the USA.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 15, 2024 11:11 AM (MeG8a)

4 2 Now this is a lengthy post.
Posted by: BignJames

A lot more content than one usually expects on the weekend!

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 15, 2024 11:12 AM (ycI94)

5 Wow. Just wow.

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2024 11:12 AM (o2ZRX)

6 A friend of mine has kids in their thirties (whom he loves and they love him) who still give him a hard time about white privilege. His kids are half white and half Asian. I told that since they went through the public school system that's the kind of thing they will come at him with, and to continue to love them and take it with a huge grain of salt.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 15, 2024 11:12 AM (XkYcA)

7 I am not a satire account.

Posted by: J K Rowling at June 15, 2024 11:13 AM (m0WlR)

8 I wonder just how bad the other leaders are that Joe F'ing BIDEN is the 2nd most popular leader.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 11:14 AM (xCA6C)

9 there is a bit of chatter about the end of the administrative state, that being the centrally controlled technocratic organization of society. Once things become too complicated for the model to manipulate and respond to emergencies, it tends to collapse.
Part of the problem is that when the model starts to crack, all the outsiders think it is their time to take the controls and aggregate all the power and support.
this is a bad decision because of course the first thing in building a power base is to kill off all your weaker competitors, which though effective, also stifles any alternate solutions that might have been useful.

so Start practicing cognitive hygiene,
Stop spreading demoralization propaganda,
Stop believing what you see on the internet, and
Ruthlessly hold your attention at the scale of your own influence is probably better than doing the opposite to cement your power base.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 11:16 AM (D7oie)

10 This thread, and the first picture, remind me of a "political cartoon" over on Daily Kos that....I don't get. https://tinyurl.com/yckcvtjv
The left can't meme.

@balajis The people do not support these leaders.
Great change is coming.


That sounds great and all, but history makes me think of the song lyric "meet the new boss, same as the old boss", and think of all the exciting new changes here and in Britain that always peter out.

Posted by: Intercepted Daily Kos Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 15, 2024 11:17 AM (ycI94)

11 Rachel Maddow appears to be mentally ill

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 15, 2024 11:18 AM (JLq/1)

12 My friend and colleague journalist
@mtaibbi
along with many, many others in the press is, right now, not in some imagined future, on a formal enemies list put out by a Ukrainian organization with ties to US gov interests


There are a lot of conservatives on that list, from Trump on down.

But of course, we've tolerated the semi-official Ukrainian Myrotvorets death list for years, which always has had prominent Americans on it (they even put Elon Musk on it briefly, because he wouldn't let the Ukrainians use Starlink to strike at Crimea).

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 11:19 AM (uxCna)

13 8 I wonder just how bad the other leaders are that Joe F'ing BIDEN is the 2nd most popular leader.
Posted by: Archimedes

Most other countries have multiple, meaningful, parties to choose from, so it's easy to move from one to an adjacent one if needed. With the US parties reduced to a binary choice, every president will have a pretty high floor of partisan support.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 15, 2024 11:19 AM (ycI94)

14 Someone explain to me how a piece of music celebrating a Napoleonic war came to be featured every July 4 in the USA.

It even has a snatch of "God Save The Tsar" in it.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 11:20 AM (uxCna)

15 Fen, they go after the children (students) because they have no life experience, much less the ability to think critically and argue, recognize logical fallacies and absurdities and all the mind games.

I would love nothing more than to take many of those classes over again, knowing what I know now. Even a slightly older student, or a veteran, or "non traditional" raises red flags with the schools. All it takes is one person to break the spell, so to speak.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 15, 2024 11:20 AM (zquRj)

16 Rachel Maddow appears to be mentally ill

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 15, 2024 11:18 AM (JLq/1)

What gave it away?

Posted by: BignJames at June 15, 2024 11:21 AM (AwYPR)

17 Don't overlook the way the left claims that, in things like Bud Light boycotts, we too are engaging in cancel culture.

In a sense, it is. It is parallel to the recent recognition by some that our side's DAs really have to start bringing charges against as many Democrat pols (and journos) as possible.

In my case, I'm reverse boycotting. Nathan's hot dogs has always been one of several brands I tended to buy. No longer. Since they dropped that HD eating champ (named Chesnut) for endorsing a vegan dog, they have become my go-to brand.

And before someone objects, I don't advocate prosecuting journos on charges that what they said was "hate", or whatever. Rather, it's for, say, tax evasion, or zoning violations. You know, the very laws they so love. Wouldn't you love to see Rachel Maddow led to jail for polluting the water in her neighborhood.

I don't like the new rules, but then, neither I nor my allies wrote them. If even John Yoo and John Hinderaker can see this, anyone can.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 15, 2024 11:21 AM (1bNHn)

18 Maddow makes 30 MILLION dollars a year. Maybe she should line up an exit strategy.

Posted by: huerfano at June 15, 2024 11:22 AM (VGOMa)

19 I wonder just how bad the other leaders are that Joe F'ing BIDEN is the 2nd most popular leader.
Posted by: Archimedes

Most other countries have multiple, meaningful, parties to choose from, so it's easy to move from one to an adjacent one if needed. With the US parties reduced to a binary choice, every president will have a pretty high floor of partisan support.


Good point. OTOH, none of the other leaders routinely and publicly soil themselves...so far...

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 11:22 AM (xCA6C)

20 Rachel Maddow appears to be mentally ill

No, she's just self dramatizing. It pays.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 11:23 AM (xCA6C)

21 The concept of cognitive hygiene must be deeper than I can grasp. At first blush it seems to me another statement of “garbage in, garbage out” or even better Paul’s admonition in Philippians 4:

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 11:23 AM (xT8gx)

22 Posted by: Common Tater at June 15, 2024 11:20 AM (zquRj)

Yes; That's true. I think he knows that, but it must get tiring to get that from them so frequently. I am glad that my son does not seem to be inculcated with that and I hope more people "break the spell."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 15, 2024 11:24 AM (XkYcA)

23 Two Boing! Boeing! headlines.

FAA Investigating Counterfeit Titanium Used in Some Boeing and Airbus Jets

FAA Head Says Agency Was Too “Hands Off” Before Boeing Door Incident

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 15, 2024 11:24 AM (L/fGl)

24 Tell ya right now, I don’t give one fleafart about WNBA. But to replace the WOMAN who is the most entertaining player ever with a traitor druggie creature on some kind of allstars team (or whatever)? And then claim Clark is ‘inexperienced’? In what? It sure ain’t basketball.

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2024 11:24 AM (o2ZRX)

25 Good point. OTOH, none of the other leaders routinely and publicly soil themselves...so far...
Posted by: Archimedes

I don't know...Lefties routinely allege Putin is a doody-head.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 15, 2024 11:25 AM (ycI94)

26 FAA Head Says Agency Was Too “Hands Off” Before Boeing Door Incident

What would you say you do here?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 11:25 AM (xCA6C)

27 The question is rhetorical, of course. It was maestro Arthur Fiedler who made the 1812 Overture an annual event at the July 4 Pops concerts.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 15, 2024 11:25 AM (MeG8a)

28 Maddow makes 30 MILLION dollars a year. Maybe she should line up an exit strategy.

If Trump wins, she will make absolute bank.

All the media figures and organizations screaming about Trump from the Left are perfectly aware that a second Trump term will be an absolute gold mine for them.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 11:25 AM (uxCna)

29 What would you say you do here?

The FAA for years allowed Boeing to engage in "self-certification" - since Boeing was so reliable, there was no need for the FAA to check up on their work.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 11:27 AM (uxCna)

30 I was just listening to The Glenn Show at Ricochet. His guest was, as it often is, John McWhorter. The latter is much more liberal than Loury, but usually sane.

This episode, he showed both his crazy left side, and his sane side. He got on a demented attack on Donald Trump; to which Loury pushed back a little, but not enough. (Loury's greatest fault is being too nice.)

But I didn't turn it off, for which I am thankful. They then got on Byron Donald's comments on the black family. This time they were as one, both ripping the libs a new one. They also got on Kendi, and again agreed that he simply can't handle being criticized. McWhorter even pointed out that, given his oppression studies course of education, he's never had to face criticism of his views, and therefore he just can't take it.

Twice sane and once not. Evidence that there really is such a thing as TDS.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 15, 2024 11:28 AM (1bNHn)

31 Speaking of canceling . . .

Radiohead Faces Boycott After Giving A Concert In Israel

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 15, 2024 11:29 AM (L/fGl)

32 My son was fired from his job for liking a meme that was alleged to be homophobic. One of his co-workers outed his "like" to management and he was told they have a zero tolerance policy for "homophobia."

This was months ago. He'd been with the outfit for years.

At the time I told my son he had two choices;
1. Fight it with a lawyer. There's no mention of this policy in any documentation he had on hand. Additionally there was no effort to offer DEI training, or some sort of counseling.
2. Assume they were looking for a reason to dump him. He'd assumed the top tier of his position and management would have been the next step.

It's all horseshit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 15, 2024 11:30 AM (Q4IgG)

33 Maddow makes 30 MILLION dollars a year. Maybe she should line up an exit strategy.

If Trump wins, she will make absolute bank.

All the media figures and organizations screaming about Trump from the Left are perfectly aware that a second Trump term will be an absolute gold mine for them.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 11:25 AM (uxCna)

It is stunning to me that Maddow makes that much money. She’s butt ugly…. Not clever in any way…. Has zero charisma…. Her lone attribute seems to be her willingness to say over the tops lies even when she knows they’re lies. Back in the day when Chris Matthews did his Hardball show, I’d watch even though I almost always disagreed because he was at least interesting….. Maddow is an anti-miracle

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 11:30 AM (xT8gx)

34 Yes, but we all are "selected" or culled. These are winnowing operations.

Sort of a compliance test. If one isn't sufficiently down wit da struggle, you get canceled. This has been the formal operating procedures for decades now, but it is overt and "in your face" now. That's why there is no opposition party, no pushback, a leaderless vacuum for so long.

Stick a fork in education, they aren't going to allow anyone in the door who isn't totally onboard with 96 absurdities. They police the ranks well, shooting any stragglers. Not too many years ago, some astronomer or physicist simply made an off-hand comment on how awesome the observable universe is, and maybe that, you know, have some evidence of a higher power than us puny humans. Pretty anodyne stuff really.

Yeah, they fired him. Academia has its apostates and philistines too, I guess.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 15, 2024 11:31 AM (zquRj)

35 At some point, people start to wake up. New Rasmussen poll in AZ, post conviction.

Trump leads Biden by seven points in the swing state of Arizona: Poll

Former President Donald Trump is leading President Joe Biden by seven points in head-to-head match up in Arizona, which is a crucial swing state, according to a new poll released Friday.

The poll, which was conducted by Rasmussen Reports, comes after Trump campaigned in the state last week, and shortly after he was convicted of 34 charges related to a hush money payment he made to former porn star Stormy Daniels.

Trump is leading Biden with 47% of the vote, compared to the 40% of respondents who said they prefer the sitting president. Roughly three percent were undecided, and nine percent said they would choose someone else.


https://tinyurl.com/yc5cw3ux

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 11:32 AM (xCA6C)

36 It is stunning to me that Maddow makes that much money.

The AWFLs love her, so it is a good place to advertise to them.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 11:32 AM (uxCna)

37

I guess I'm stupid.

I can't make heads or tails out of this.

Between working 60 hours a week, mowing the lawn, reading a book and taking the occasional dump, I don't seem to be able to rise to such heights of intellectual speculotheism.

I'm a rube.

Posted by: Elderly Git at June 15, 2024 11:33 AM (C0DlQ)

38 Stick a fork in education, they aren't going to allow anyone in the door who isn't totally onboard with 96 absurdities. They police the ranks well, shooting any stragglers.

The only way forward is to remove their monopoly on education funding. It's happening more and more.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 11:34 AM (xCA6C)

39 Maddow makes $30 million a year and is a lousy shortstop. Shoulda stuck to utility.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 15, 2024 11:34 AM (V5eKu)

40 11 Rachel Maddow appears to be mentally ill

Yes, no doubt she laughs demonically all the way to the bank.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 15, 2024 11:34 AM (fvaUq)

41 test

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 15, 2024 11:35 AM (3Fz6p)

42 Trump is leading Biden with 47% of the vote, compared to the 40% of respondents who said they prefer the sitting president. Roughly three percent were undecided, and nine percent said they would choose someone else.

https://tinyurl.com/yc5cw3ux
Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 11:32 AM (xCA6C)

I don’t know about Rasmussen…. I haven’t looked into it but have the impression their polling overstates Trump support. But that result is consistent with all the post-conviction polling I’ve seen (Trump maintains prior lead) so it might be accurate

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 11:36 AM (xT8gx)

43 11 Rachel Maddow appears to be mentally ill
Posted by: Northernlurker at June 15, 2024 11:18 AM (JLq/1)

"The mind that alters-alters all".

Posted by: Michael Savage 1998 at June 15, 2024 11:36 AM (V5BDR)

44 >>>On the other hand, a spy chief is joining the OpenAI Board.
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Google Search has outlived it's use to DARPA and the NSA the new iteration will be AI.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 11:36 AM (K7/OQ)

45 I've been going down the rabbit hole of the writings of Hamish De Bretton-Gordon in the UK Telegraph - one of the ways that the Conservative Party in Britain is committing suicide in the upcoming election is by advocating National Service.

Hamish De Bretton-Gordon wrote a couple of weeks ago that young people should welcome National Service - to thank the government for the payments that the government made to their families during the coronavirus shutdowns.

Be Grateful, Peasants!

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 11:36 AM (uxCna)

46 All of the major universities like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale were founded on explicitly religious grounds. I'm not arguing this waHs bad or good, just that they seem to be running pretty far off the beam now. How does that happen?

A Catholic gives a Catholic school commencement exercise to Catholics about Catholic stuff, and everybody starts losing their shit.

How does that happen? Even the Boy Scouts tried to fend off the nutbars, and "legally" they prevailed, sort of. But a mortal would was dealt, and they no longer exist as an organization.

"Conservatives" can't even keep kiddie fuckers out of kindergarten bathrooms or libraries. What is it that they have "conserved" anyway?

Posted by: Common Tater at June 15, 2024 11:36 AM (zquRj)

47 The concept of cognitive hygiene must be deeper than I can grasp. At first blush it seems to me another statement of “garbage in, garbage out” or even better Paul’s admonition in Philippians 4:

[ . . . ]
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 11:23 AM (xT8gx)


check your assumptions against reality, if you can't determine if it is real or not, then act on it advisedly, and if it turns out to be unhelpful then change. The main thing to remember is that being wrong is a factual issue and not a moral issue.
Don't act to make yourself feel better or use anger to hide fear, or self justification to cover up errors, act to find truth and act to achieve things in the world. No one cares if you are right if it accomplishes nothing. Also, remember that excuses are just a way to say, "I know I did wrong, but this makes it OK for me to be wrong"

I have made errors in my life, and the best I can say is that no one died. I have to look at myself in the mirror every day, so I have to act in a way that tells me that the face I see is someone who cares what the truth is.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 11:37 AM (D7oie)

48 The AWFLs love her, so it is a good place to advertise to them.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 11:32 AM (uxCna)

Some moron wrote an MR comment earlier this week… something to the effect that AWFLs were gonna be the death of the country; what to do?

I don’t know. Are their husbands soy boys??

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 11:38 AM (xT8gx)

49 41 test
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 15, 2024 11:35 AM (3Fz6p)
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Fail.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 15, 2024 11:38 AM (1bNHn)

50 I don’t know about Rasmussen…. I haven’t looked into it but have the impression their polling overstates Trump support. But that result is consistent with all the post-conviction polling I’ve seen (Trump maintains prior lead) so it might be accurate

It has been accused of being GOP friendly by the left. You know, because they don't lie in favor of Democrats.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 11:38 AM (xCA6C)

51 My son was fired from his job for liking a meme that was alleged to be homophobic. One of his co-workers outed his "like" to management and he was told they have a zero tolerance policy for "homophobia."

This was months ago. He'd been with the outfit for years.

At the time I told my son he had two choices;
1. Fight it with a lawyer. There's no mention of this policy in any documentation he had on hand. Additionally there was no effort to offer DEI training, or some sort of counseling.
2. Assume they were looking for a reason to dump him. He'd assumed the top tier of his position and management would have been the next step.

It's all horseshit.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 15, 2024 11:30 AM (Q4IgG)

Sounds like that co-worker is coming up shy in the broken bone department.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 11:39 AM (75zPW)

52 This thread, and the first picture, remind me of a "political cartoon" over on Daily Kos that....I don't get. https://tinyurl.com/yckcvtjv
The left can't meme.

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The GOP is trying to bleach the colors out of the rainbow flag.

Speaking of political cartoons . . .

https://shorturl.at/EnUYf

https://shorturl.at/bIKov

https://shorturl.at/TfuMW

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 15, 2024 11:40 AM (L/fGl)

53 I saw Counterfeit Titanium open for Stealer's Wheel at the Roxy in '74.

Posted by: Musikladen at June 15, 2024 11:40 AM (V5BDR)

54 test
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 15, 2024 11:35 AM (3Fz6p)
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Fail.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 15, 2024 11:38 AM (1bNHn)
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Damn you. Damn all your kind.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 15, 2024 11:40 AM (3Fz6p)

55 I don’t know. Are their husbands soy boys??

Husbands?

Posted by: Forty-Year-Old Cat Ladies! at June 15, 2024 11:42 AM (uxCna)

56 I have made errors in my life, and the best I can say is that no one died. I have to look at myself in the mirror every day, so I have to act in a way that tells me that the face I see is someone who cares what the truth is.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 11:37 AM (D7oie)

Thank you for the explanation. Yes it sounds very much to me like an aggregation of Biblical truisms/proverbs

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 11:42 AM (xT8gx)

57 In the link, Ann Althouse encourages her readers to listen to the Rogan-Musk clip in full context, but then of course her comments on it are outside its full context.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at June 15, 2024 11:42 AM (MZ+PY)

58 In the link, Ann Althouse encourages her readers to listen to the Rogan-Musk clip in full context, but then of course her comments on it are outside its full context.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at June 15, 2024 11:42 AM (MZ+PY)
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You're expecting a squirrel to change its stripes?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 15, 2024 11:43 AM (3Fz6p)

59 I am tired of the "what have conservatives conserved" question. It implies that defeat always implies treason. That's BS; as any look at history shows.

The simple fact is that the American (and the European) people weren't interested, except to some extent in anti-Communism. And most of the people we ran for office were either not very good at it, or not very conservative.

Sometimes it seems that the speaker is equating "conservative" with "Establishment Republican", as if the Romneys and Rockefellers were paradigmatic conservatives.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 15, 2024 11:44 AM (1bNHn)

60 Like the guy doing burn outs on a LGBQXYZ Propaganda road

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 11:45 AM (fwDg9)

61 My son was fired from his job for liking a meme that was alleged to be homophobic.

Why Musk just made "likes" private on X - he noticed that a whole lot of people had been cancelled merely for "liking" a post.

Posted by: Forty-Year-Old Cat Ladies! at June 15, 2024 11:46 AM (uxCna)

62 Is it a bad sign when your farts smell like hot dogs? Or should just stop eating hot dogs?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 15, 2024 11:46 AM (IG4Id)

63 Is it a bad sign when your farts smell like hot dogs? Or should just stop eating hot dogs?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 15, 2024 11:46 AM (IG4Id)
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Not gonna go there, nope, nope, nope.

Wouldn't be prudent.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 15, 2024 11:47 AM (3Fz6p)

64 This is what happens when you're immersed in KT's girthy Saturday morning post and find out there wasn't 1st post when you get to the bottom.
You come in this far down!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 15, 2024 11:48 AM (pUmP9)

65 George
@BehizyTweets
BREAKING: Democrat County Commissioner Taral Patel in Fort Bend, Texas was just arrested and charged for creating a fake Facebook account & posting racist comments on himself to make it appear like his Republican challenger was a racist
Is this guy the next Jussie Smollett?
Patel got charged with two counts of Felony Online Impersonation and one Class A misdemeanor charge of Misrepresentation of Identity, a Texas Election Code violation.
According to the investigation, Patel started his plot in October 2022 when he created the account with the identity of a real person in Needville, Texas including photos of the person with his family as the profile picture. He crafted the account to make it look like a Trump supporter and posted support for his Republican challenger in a racist way (more details in the thread).

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Well, you can't blame him. I mean, there is a shortage of actual hate crimes.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 15, 2024 11:48 AM (L/fGl)

66 In looking at that group of charismatic non-entities, the only one that catches and holds your eye is Meloni.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 11:48 AM (xCA6C)

67 Being canceled pales in comparison to dying under the oppressive Heat Dome that is in control or our weather pattern. Women and minorities hardest hit!

Posted by: Ripped From The Headlines at June 15, 2024 11:48 AM (V5BDR)

68 You don't get to arbitrarily ruin someone's life without consequence. Fuck these people.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 15, 2024 11:49 AM (qZEuM)

69 Well, you can't blame him. I mean, there is a shortage of actual hate crimes.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 15, 2024 11:48 AM (L/fGl)
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Democrats - stepping up to do the hate crimes Republicans just won't do!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 15, 2024 11:49 AM (3Fz6p)

70 No, the frustration ensues because we see the exact same scam play out over and over again. These are carefully engineered operations.

The "Republican" role is to act as an opposition party, and then surrender on whatever the Issue Du Jour is. They play as the Washington Generals, to the Harlem Globetrotters. They insist "that's not who we are", don't call anyone bad names, and generally do nothing. They get paying gigs on the TV to play designated failure theater pinata. I've watched this for decades, I know how they play the game if I don't understand all the particulars.

"We shall never speak of this again" is also part of the program. The leftists move the ball down the field, so to speak. If you hadn't noticed.

"What have the conservatives conserved" is a perfectly valid question. It should be easy to refute too, no?

Posted by: Common Tater at June 15, 2024 11:50 AM (zquRj)

71 n looking at that group of charismatic non-entities, the only one that catches and holds your eye is Meloni.
Posted by: Archimedes


Is that a South Park thing?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 15, 2024 11:50 AM (IG4Id)

72 Eeyore, if Conservatism isn't supposed to conserve things, maybe then it should rename itself?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 11:50 AM (D7oie)

73 Maybe for another thread but had to take my 1911 apart, clean parts and get it together. Finished it but was a bugger to get it apart and back together. Should do it again very soon.

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 11:50 AM (fwDg9)

74 The people who follow Maddow are following a nut job who is leading them right over a cliff. I've posted a bunch of times about the leftist from NYC who have overrun this area and even my homegrown Dem friends follow this idiot. That's why NYS is fubar because of the following of a bunch of loons and their totalitarian group think

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 15, 2024 11:50 AM (FTjSO)

75 'Falling Down' is one of the greatest films of all time.

(noticed pic in the middle of the post).

It's still impactful today and still relevant.

Posted by: Puddleglum, fishin' and golfin' in Amish Country at June 15, 2024 11:52 AM (/Djer)

76 Tell ya right now, I don’t give one fleafart about WNBA. But to replace the WOMAN who is the most entertaining player ever with a traitor druggie creature on some kind of allstars team (or whatever)? And then claim Clark is ‘inexperienced’? In what? It sure ain’t basketball.

Posted by: Eromero

Yeah, everyone who doesn't follow the WNBA (so, everyone) can see they ditched the popular white girl and kept the stupid junkie. So they'll attract zero new viewers at the Olympics and continue to be a money pit for the NBA.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at June 15, 2024 11:53 AM (hCzfy)

77 Speaking of MSNSDAP super geniuses . . .

MAZE
@mazemoore
October, 2020. Joe Scarborough on people who believed the Hunter Biden laptop was real: "History will expose you all as idiots and useful fools for the Russians."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 15, 2024 11:53 AM (L/fGl)

78 I have watched a half dozen videos all morning and barely time to read comments

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 11:54 AM (fwDg9)

79 Is this guy the next Jussie Smollett?
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They're all Jussie Smollett. Back when the 2nd pic in the OP was taken, Newman claimed she was getting death threats. Peterson took that seriously, but Milo told him to demand receipts. Jim Geraghty (not exactly Steve Bannon) has said everyone who's at all prominent gets them, even he does.

Every time you disagree it's because you're racist, sexist, or some type of phobic. I think I'll start identifying as an omniphobe.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 15, 2024 11:54 AM (1bNHn)

80 It can be lunch time
Oh wait, it's Saturday, lunch is whenever I want it

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 11:55 AM (fwDg9)

81

My wife's farts smell like hot dogs.

Posted by: Rod Porkmore at June 15, 2024 11:55 AM (rAovp)

82 Patrick Webb
@RealPatrickWebb
BREAKING: The U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee's intends to require women to register for Selective Service as part of the National Defense Authorization Act for FY25.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 15, 2024 11:56 AM (L/fGl)

83 It can be lunch time
Oh wait, it's Saturday, lunch is whenever I want it
Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 11:55 AM (fwDg9)
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I am going to make some delicious bacon and eggs. Right now!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at June 15, 2024 11:57 AM (3Fz6p)

84 50

I absolutely reject that Rasmussen is GOP-tilted. It's just NOT. I follow all the daily & weekly polling like a hawk-- not proud of it but I do.

Btw, some of the poll sponsors on the left, commonly suspected of bias, actually publish VERY respectable polls: Daily Kos is Exhibit A. CBS & USA Today also.

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 11:58 AM (NLIak)

85 Turkey, lettuce and tomato sammy

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 11:59 AM (fwDg9)

86 72 Eeyore, if Conservatism isn't supposed to conserve things, maybe then it should rename itself?
Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 11:50 AM (D7oie)
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We tried, and we failed. Or mostly failed. We did beat the USSR and the ERA. And we are winning against the trannies. It is conservatism that is the strongest influence on SCOTUS, particularly Thomas and Alito.

Part of the problem is that conservatism doesn't name an ideology, but a collection of different philosophies of government. The spectrum is much wider than on the left, except maybe recently, where feminists and Islamists are as incompatible as libertarians and integralists ever were. Which may be why we are starting to win more.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 15, 2024 12:00 PM (1bNHn)

87 Archimedes at June 15, 2024 11:48 AM

In another essay, our subject today asks, "who is the emperor"? He noted that Elon Musk has a "childlike presence" on Twitter.

Posted by: KT at June 15, 2024 12:00 PM (rrtZS)

88 The Bush stuff was "fake, but accurate".

I think what they are suggesting here, is that it is "accurate, but fake". Perhaps they are alleging that none of this stuff would be out there, if it weren't for the Rooskies?

What I read, was Biden left a bunch of computers at a repair shop, and didn't pay the bill, so eventually the repair shop proprieter took possession of the laptops, and thus the files and docs and imagery therein. He didn't turn the laptop over to the Russians, he turned it over to the Fibbies.

Where is the French Connection, or the Russian Connection to this bit of idiocy? Or put another way really, why should we have confidence in our intelligence agencies if they allow high level party members to leave official state secrets laying around and throwing firearms into dumpsters?

I thought they were "fixers" first and foremost, frankly. At least, it would appear some might want to avail themselves of that opportunity whenever practicable, no?

Posted by: Common Tater at June 15, 2024 12:01 PM (zquRj)

89 actually publish VERY respectable polls: Daily Kos is Exhibit A. CBS & USA Today also.
Posted by: mnw


*insert J. Jonah Jameson gif here *

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 15, 2024 12:01 PM (IG4Id)

90 This post out-deeped me this morning. But I'm not very deep, and only on second cuppa cawfee. So there's that.

Posted by: Live from Madhouse Farm at June 15, 2024 12:01 PM (0oQc+)

91 I have stuff to do, so bye.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 15, 2024 12:01 PM (1bNHn)

92 Falling Down is a great movie.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at June 15, 2024 12:01 PM (qZEuM)

93 Rachel Maddow ‘worried’ Trump will send her to ‘camps’ if he’s elected president

*man in Ranger hat addresses crowd*

I warned you campers about the bears. And now it appears Camper Rachel has attacked BooBoo over a PBJ.

Posted by: rhennigantx at June 15, 2024 12:02 PM (ENQN6)

94 "And it was Webb's jealous fellow journalists, not the CIA, who went on the attack, running story after story attempting to discredit his research. "

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Oh, this little nugget. Some people don't get it... or they do. This isn't an either/or, saying it was journalists and not the CIA is to not realize, SO MANY so-called journalists... ARE CIA!

People either get this or they don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:02 PM (kTPdd)

95 mnw at June 15, 2024 11:58 AM

You do not conform to my bias, therefore you are Not of the Body....

Posted by: Rod Porkmore at June 15, 2024 12:02 PM (C0DlQ)

96 Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:02 PM (kTPdd)

Ignore this hash. I'm not suggesting KT is paid.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:03 PM (kTPdd)

97 Maddow looks like a guy. How is she gonna land a hot girl piece looking like a guy

Posted by: Don Black at June 15, 2024 12:05 PM (/7KEl)

98 Oh, this little nugget. Some people don't get it... or they do. This isn't an either/or, saying it was journalists and not the CIA is to not realize, SO MANY so-called journalists... ARE CIA!

People either get this or they don't.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:02 PM (kTPdd)

"Journalist" is the default fake identity for spies, because you literally need to know nothing to be a "journalist", and you really don't have to account for your time.

Try being a fake engineer. Or a fake janitor.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:06 PM (75zPW)

99 Falling Down is a great movie
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He's the good guy

Posted by: Don Black at June 15, 2024 12:07 PM (/7KEl)

100 Maddow looks like a guy. How is she gonna land a hot girl piece looking like a guy
Posted by: Don Black at June 15, 2024 12:05 PM (/7KEl)

Scary thought for the day: maybe she is the hot girl piece in the relationship?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:08 PM (75zPW)

101

She's a celebrity so she can have all the star fuckers her dried up sniz clam can handle...

Posted by: Rod Porkmore at June 15, 2024 12:08 PM (C0DlQ)

102 Coffee and mini cinnamon rolls. Yum!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:09 PM (75zPW)

103 She's a celebrity so she can have all the star fuckers her dried up sniz clam can handle...
Posted by: Rod Porkmore at June 15, 2024 12:08 PM (C0DlQ)

Her pet name for her snizz is "Timex".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:10 PM (75zPW)

104 "Stop spreading demoralization propaganda'

Then what would the doom bringers here do with their day?

Posted by: Outside of Life at June 15, 2024 12:11 PM (89Sog)

105 A couple of random reactions to posts above:

1) Meloni has actually been able to accomplish ZILCH, NADA, ZERO with regard to reducing illegal immigration in Italy since she took office. The Euro bureaucracy & the Euro court system have stopped everything she's done or tried to do dead in its tracks. Those rightist popular parties who just won the Euro Parliament elections are going to have to conquer an enormous deep state/NGO complex in order to deport or deter illegals.

2) I submit that AZ is no longer a "key swing state." AZ is in Trump's hip pocket, along with NV, GA & NC. There are only 3 "key swing states" now: WI, MI & PA. Trump has to won ONE of those three to win.

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:13 PM (NLIak)

106 The highlight of the fourth of July was the Boston pops doing hte 1812 overture with cannons, church bells and fireworks. Chills every single time.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2024 12:15 PM (t/2Uw)

107 If Trump wins, she will make absolute bank.

All the media figures and organizations screaming about Trump from the Left are perfectly aware that a second Trump term will be an absolute gold mine for them.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 11:25 AM (uxCna)

It helps to think of these things as pro wrassling. What they say, it's all part of the script. They intend to be a part of the story, and their part of the story is to act like the oppressed, aggrieved enemy of the emerging champ.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:16 PM (K6M7J)

108 "Stop spreading demoralization propaganda'
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Then what would the doom bringers here do with their day?
Posted by: Outside of Life at June 15, 2024 12:11 PM (89Sog)

Put their heads in the sand.

That works for many.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:17 PM (K6M7J)

109 1) Meloni has actually been able to accomplish ZILCH, NADA, ZERO with regard to reducing illegal immigration in Italy since she took office. The Euro bureaucracy & the Euro court system have stopped everything she's done or tried to do dead in its tracks. Those rightist popular parties who just won the Euro Parliament elections are going to have to conquer an enormous deep state/NGO complex in order to deport or deter illegals.

It's a good time to start then.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 12:18 PM (xCA6C)

110 Political speech needs to be protected speech and impossible to discriminate against in the workplace.

Posted by: PoliticalMcguffin at June 15, 2024 12:18 PM (uTzkn)

111 99 Falling Down is a great movie
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He's the good guy
Posted by: Don Black
.......................................
He was a man who believed in the System, who worked for it, did what was expected of him. Then, the system fucked him over in every way over the course of time and then he got stuck in traffic. He was a broken man and he did nothing wrong except trust the System. Falling Down is a great movie. Well written, acted, everything.

Posted by: Puddleglum in Pennsytucky at June 15, 2024 12:18 PM (mvQ7U)

112 Yes, but that's how we get totally non self-aware individuals. They write and speak like they are "fighting the man" and the rest of it, *when they run everything and are completely in charge* of key levers of force projection or power. It's really creepy to watch the "oppressed" beat up on people with such vigor and enthusiasm. This is all they have ever known, and they aren't about to stop.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 15, 2024 12:20 PM (zquRj)

113 "Journalist" is the default fake identity for spies, because you literally need to know nothing to be a "journalist", and you really don't have to account for your time.

Try being a fake engineer. Or a fake janitor.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:06 PM (75zPW)

It appears there are also plenty of spooks working in local law enforcement entities. And of course academia.

But I would assume the recruitment process is different for those, in that you start out in those professions and are later recruited, as opposed to "journalism" where the spooks are trained, and then go get media jobs.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:21 PM (K6M7J)

114 The great (really the only) significance of the Hunter Biden trial is that it established, in a federal court no less, that the Hunter laptop was genuine.

And the 51 former intelligence officials letter writers still refuse to back down or apologize. They’re like Harry Reid: well it worked didn’t it?

Just that one little bit of election interference in 2020 was enough to change the result (Trump wins if the laptop story is not suppressed). There was other election interference like universal mailin ballots and ballot stuffing etc….. but just that one thing changed the outcome

Meanwhile Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell and many others are financially ruined for questioning the 2020 election result (the my pillow guy is another)

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 12:21 PM (SlNuN)

115 109

You don't understand. It's all about poor, starving chillren yearning to breathe free.

Why do you (& Meloni) want to kill helpless children?

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:21 PM (NLIak)

116 Part of the problem is that conservatism doesn't name an ideology, but a collection of different philosophies of government. The spectrum is much wider than on the left, except maybe recently, where feminists and Islamists are as incompatible as libertarians and integralists ever were. Which may be why we are starting to win more.
Posted by: Eeyore at June 15, 2024 12:00 PM (1bNHn)


I suspect that the problem is that it is that it is trying to get the religious "right" and the constitutionalists to support the progressives with R by their names.

for the answer of "what did conservatism conserve" the answer was "it kept Bill Buckley in the catbird seat for decades" and whether it was for good or ill, it also set the tone for the movement where today it is a question of who gets to weld that power base back together and be the new Pope instead of asking what do we focus on conserving.

the first is what happens with broad appeal movements, you have to have the coalitions, but the coalitions fight for dominance, and the second is a problem with having a dominant leadership which leads to empire building and all the sins that come from that.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 12:21 PM (D7oie)

117 Scary thought for the day: maybe she is the hot girl piece in the relationship?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:08 PM (75zPW)

Have you seen a picture of her “wife”? Shudder

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 12:22 PM (SlNuN)

118 Why do you (& Meloni) want to kill helpless children?
Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:21 PM (NLIak)

Well, if they were helpful, there would be no need to kill them right?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:23 PM (75zPW)

119 I think what they are suggesting here, is that it is "accurate, but fake".

Left-wing social media accounts are currently trumpeting that Trump is senile, allegedly based on a private meeting he had with CEOs.

This is obviously to offset Biden's actual senility of course, but the Narrative now is that Biden appears senile in public, but is completely cogent in private; while Trump is completely cogent in public, but is senile in private.

Posted by: Forty-Year-Old Cat Ladies! at June 15, 2024 12:23 PM (uxCna)

120 "Journalist" is the default fake identity for spies, because you literally need to know nothing to be a "journalist", and you really don't have to account for your time.

"Travel agent" is another good one.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 12:25 PM (uxCna)

121 Left-wing social media accounts are currently trumpeting that Trump is senile, allegedly based on a private meeting he had with CEOs.

This is obviously to offset Biden's actual senility of course, but the Narrative now is that Biden appears senile in public, but is completely cogent in private; while Trump is completely cogent in public, but is senile in private.


Right. Biden soiling himself and wandering around randomly are just ways of throwing people off the scent (so to speak). It's fiendishly clever, is what it is.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 12:25 PM (xCA6C)

122 Men doing man stuff is sexy. Makes a woman think she can be secure if she entrusts herself and her potential children to him.

Posted by: Emmie at June 15, 2024 12:26 PM (Sf2cq)

123 Trump is completely cogent in public, but is senile in private.

Do these people even listen to themselves?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 12:26 PM (xCA6C)

124 122 And that instinct doesn't necessarily go away after menopause.

Posted by: Emmie at June 15, 2024 12:27 PM (Sf2cq)

125 This is obviously to offset Biden's actual senility of course, but the Narrative now is that Biden appears senile in public, but is completely cogent in private; while Trump is completely cogent in public, but is senile in private.
Posted by: Forty-Year-Old Cat Ladies! at June 15, 2024 12:23 PM (uxCna)

Do they not realize how ridiculous that is, on the face of it? It would practically require a conspiracy between Biden's handlers and Trump's handlers to pull it off. And to what purpose?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:27 PM (75zPW)

126 Trump is 9 months older than I am.

He has a great tailor. A real master craftsman! Hides all that extra weight Trump carries as well as it can be done.

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:27 PM (NLIak)

127 The highlight of the fourth of July was the Boston pops doing hte 1812 overture with cannons, church bells and fireworks. Chills every single time.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2024 12:15 PM (t/2Uw)


One year, when I was a kid, the local orchestra had a couple of howitzers and crews from the National Guard down on the riverfront park to participate in the 1812 Overture on the Independence day concert (on the day before the 4th of course)
Anyhow, the arty crews couldn't read music, and they just fired off salute squibs randomly at the end. The pressure blew out the PA system for the band, and everyone had a wonderful time.

the old ways were best.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 12:28 PM (D7oie)

128 Most of the media are not journalists they are Propagandist

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 12:31 PM (fwDg9)

129 Do they not realize how ridiculous that is, on the face of it?

They've read their Goebbels - if you repeat a lie often enough, a significant fraction of the population will believe it.

A New York Times columnist:

"CEOs who said that he was remarkably meandering, could not keep a straight thought, was all over the map."

CEOs who walked in as soft Trump supporters walked out startled by him


Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 12:31 PM (uxCna)

130 2) I submit that AZ is no longer a "key swing state." AZ is in Trump's hip pocket, along with NV, GA & NC. There are only 3 "key swing states" now: WI, MI & PA. Trump has to won ONE of those three to win.
Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:13 PM (NLIak


Is this the same Arizona with the corrupt election system that stole the election from Trump and then from Lake? And then laughed in the voters' faces?

Posted by: Emmie at June 15, 2024 12:31 PM (Sf2cq)

131 SO MANY so-called journalists... ARE CIA!

People either get this or they don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:02 PM (kTPdd)

^^^THIS^^^

The most insidious thing is that you don't have to actually BE CIA or fib to be controlled by them and do their will.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at June 15, 2024 12:32 PM (w6EFb)

132 Arizona has been inundated with crystal-worshipping hippies and yuppies

this ain't your Barry Goldwater's Arizona



unless I'm wrong

Posted by: Don Black at June 15, 2024 12:34 PM (/7KEl)

133 A New York Times columnist:

"CEOs who said that he was remarkably meandering, could not keep a straight thought, was all over the map."

CEOs who walked in as soft Trump supporters walked out startled by him

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 15, 2024 12:31 PM (uxCna)

NYT Communist, heh.

So, entirely made-up bullshit, attributed to anonymous sources. Still does not offer a plausible explanation for why Trump would be lucid in unscripted public speaking, and incoherent in private.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:35 PM (75zPW)

134 I would love to listen to 1812 Overture but would I dare to wear my 1812 Russian officer shako to that?

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 12:35 PM (fwDg9)

135 @RealPatrickWebb
BREAKING: The U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee's intends to require women to register for Selective Service as part of the National Defense Authorization Act for FY25.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at June 15, 2024 11:56 AM (L/fGl)

I have it on good authority, this concept of which they speak... "women," is impossible to define.

Let's just have everybody in the draft. Unless you identify as a cat. We can't have litter boxes in our foxholes, that would be silly.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:35 PM (jUq8k)

136 "We can't let them win. We can't just let them have these uncontested slam dunks on our guys. Because every time it happens, every time someone gets cratered by one of these doxes, how many tens of thousands of people clam up and realize they shouldn't speak up?" . .

---------------

This is where older, retired men with independent incomes and much more freedom to speak could step up, but most are too pussy.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 15, 2024 12:36 PM (2fIO4)

137 130

Yes. You can't steal 5%-7% of the total vote. This one isn't going to be close enuf to steal. Last time was.

Plus, AZ has enacted some very serious election integrity laws since 2020. Proof of citizenship is now required. In 2020, it wasn't. Did you know that?

So, you be as cynical as you like, but the facts on the ground have changed.

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:36 PM (NLIak)

138 Why do you (& Meloni) want to kill helpless children?
Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:21 PM (NLIak)

Well, if they were helpful, there would be no need to kill them right?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:23 PM (75zPW)

This is why I love the horde.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at June 15, 2024 12:38 PM (w6EFb)

139 This is obviously to offset Biden's actual senility of course, but the Narrative now is that Biden appears senile in public, but is completely cogent in private; while Trump is completely cogent in public, but is senile in private.

And Biden came out with this as well-in private-"I'll have you know I have a 190 IQ and am fluent in five different languages. I just act like a person with Alzheimers and wander around looking helpless in public to throw enemies of America off track."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 15, 2024 12:38 PM (XkYcA)

140 I have to look at myself in the mirror every day,

My life long, worst enemy resides in my mirror.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * hanging out at the corner of Sanity and Madness at June 15, 2024 12:39 PM (+qILM)

141 Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:02 PM (kTPdd)

^^^THIS^^^

The most insidious thing is that you don't have to actually BE CIA or fib to be controlled by them and do their will.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at June 15, 2024 12:32 PM (w6EFb)

It's very much the Soviet model. Party members exist, and work for the Party, and while some are paid by the Party to do certain jobs, the other Party members do their jobs, in service to the Party.

Not everybody has to fill out W4's for the agencies they serve.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:39 PM (jUq8k)

142 The reason Trump is way ahead in AZ & NV: illegal immigration.

AZ & NV no likee.

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:39 PM (NLIak)

143 Plus, AZ has enacted some very serious election integrity laws since 2020. Proof of citizenship is now required. In 2020, it wasn't. Did you know that?

So, you be as cynical as you like, but the facts on the ground have changed.
Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:36 PM (NLIak)

When you have a commie fag Sheriff in Maricopa County with a liplock on Katie Hobbs' asshole, laws are to be ignored, not observed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2024 12:39 PM (75zPW)

144 Plus, AZ has enacted some very serious election integrity laws since 2020. Proof of citizenship is now required. In 2020, it wasn't. Did you know that?

So, you be as cynical as you like, but the facts on the ground have changed.
Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:36 PM (NLIak)

Oh, I guess this makes me a doomsayer or whatever, but I found it rather comical, when Lake's people were claiming before the 2020 they had it all wrapped up, that there was no way they could steal it.

And then they stole it, and all Lakes little boys, who claimed to be so cunning at being able to stop the steal, were stunned and confused they managed to steal it, right under their noses.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:42 PM (jUq8k)

145 A friends son is visiting here, for a local wedding. He recently returned from his first deployment, in Yemen. Social media and the Junta scare those guys more than the Houthi.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 15, 2024 12:42 PM (uliM6)

146 2) I submit that AZ is no longer a "key swing state." AZ is in Trump's hip pocket, along with NV, GA & NC. There are only 3 "key swing states" now: WI, MI & PA. Trump has to won ONE of those three to win.
Posted by: mnw
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AZ fix is in so deep no honest Republican has a chance.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 12:43 PM (K7/OQ)

147 135 Let's just have everybody in the draft. Unless you identify as a cat. We can't have litter boxes in our foxholes, that would be silly.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:35 PM (jUq8k)

Silly - we don't need litter boxes outdoors. We poop where we want.

Posted by: Cat Persyn at June 15, 2024 12:44 PM (w6EFb)

148 145 A friends son is visiting here, for a local wedding. He recently returned from his first deployment, in Yemen. Social media and the Junta scare those guys more than the Houthi.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 15, 2024 12:42 PM (uliM6)
They know the enemy.

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2024 12:45 PM (o2ZRX)

149 Plus, AZ has enacted some very serious election integrity laws since 2020. Proof of citizenship is now required. In 2020, it wasn't. Did you know that?

So, you be as cynical as you like, but the facts on the ground have changed.
Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:36 PM (NLIak)

--------------

Color me cynical. Is there any reason to believe the AZ SoS will require election boards to follow the rules?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 15, 2024 12:46 PM (2fIO4)

150 Arizona has been inundated with crystal-worshipping hippies and yuppies

this ain't your Barry Goldwater's Arizona

unless I'm wrong
Posted by: Don Black at June 15, 2024 12:34 PM (/7KEl)

I don't take a survey of everyone in this state, but the straights with whom I interact, they are mostly fed up with the illegal situation.

If R's sweep in AZ this year... and I do think that's an "if," it will be due to that one issue.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:46 PM (jUq8k)

151 If your going to have a Cultural Marxist government pushing LGBQXYZ then they should push them into the military

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 12:46 PM (fwDg9)

152 3 Someone explain to me how a piece of music celebrating a Napoleonic war came to be featured every July 4 in the USA.
Posted by: gourmand du jour
**********
Cannons.

Posted by: Cosda at June 15, 2024 12:48 PM (bcU23)

153 It's A Madhouse! A Madhouse!!!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 15, 2024 12:49 PM (R/m4+)

154 >>>Two years before his suicide, journalist Gary Webb looked back on the reporting that ultimately destroyed his career:
... The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress.

My heart goes out to him.

Posted by: m at June 15, 2024 12:49 PM (NHMTR)

155 I have Lake fatigue. I don't think she can win, even an honest election. Hope I'm wrong. Gallegos (her DEM opponent) is an ultraleft horror show. But she's STILL losing to him by 3-5 points, while Trump is 5-6 points ahead.

There are at least 3 other states much more likely to kick out their DEM senator than AZ is: NV; MT & OH. And MI is getting interesting.

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:50 PM (NLIak)

156 Let's just have everybody in the draft. Unless you identify as a cat. We can't have litter boxes in our foxholes, that would be silly.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:35 PM (jUq8k)

Silly - we don't need litter boxes outdoors. We poop where we want.
Posted by: Cat Persyn at June 15, 2024 12:44 PM (w6EFb)

Meow meow meow, meow meow, meow.

Lemme translate for those who don't speak cat: Foxholes is meant figuratively, our soldiers these days don't dig foxholes, they sit in front of computer monitors, in air conditioned rooms, pushing buttons to operate the drones. These fellas suffer from carpal tunnel syndrome, they have eye strain. The last thing they need is to smell what you drop at work. Why, they won't even be able to drink their chai lattes if they have to deal with that. The casualties on the front lines will be devastating.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:51 PM (y29sO)

157 I didn't follow the links to learn more because I'm in a good mood and I didn't want to spoil it.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at June 15, 2024 12:52 PM (w6EFb)

158 Mmm, Allie Beth Stuckey is a very pretty woman and very smart, too. I remember her doing a couple great “vote Democrat” parody videos in the 2020 season.

Posted by: Advo at June 15, 2024 12:53 PM (jO4mz)

159 Not everybody has to fill out W4's for the agencies they serve.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:39 PM (jUq8k)


Not everyone was a party member in the USSR, only those who got the nod. However, anyone who wanted to get ahead was looking for that nod.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 12:53 PM (D7oie)

160 I have Lake fatigue. I don't think she can win, even an honest election. Hope I'm wrong. Gallegos (her DEM opponent) is an ultraleft horror show. But she's STILL losing to him by 3-5 points, while Trump is 5-6 points ahead.

Cindy and Megan McCain are putting everything they've got into defeating her, because otherwise John's funeral might end. I really, really want her to win because of that (and a lot of other reasons).

Posted by: Ian S. at June 15, 2024 12:54 PM (2ocoG)

161 156 So, subject to the usual office bullshit.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at June 15, 2024 12:55 PM (w6EFb)

162 I have Lake fatigue. I don't think she can win, even an honest election. Hope I'm wrong. Gallegos (her DEM opponent) is an ultraleft horror show. But she's STILL losing to him by 3-5 points, while Trump is 5-6 points ahead.

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:50 PM (NLIak)

I see billboards for a guy in a hat, saying he's gonna stop the border crossing.

Sure you are.

"Lake fatigue" is what they want, and the people in this state who would otherwise vote for a Republican, but not her, as the McCainiacs who still have a presence. I'm sure a nice, safe, Romney or Graham type Senator would make them quite happy.

If they won't vote for Lake, the F them. They get what they deserve.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 12:55 PM (y29sO)

163 160

Me too. But it kind of appears that AZ voters have pulled the plug on her.

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:55 PM (NLIak)

164 I also have Lake fatigue.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at June 15, 2024 12:56 PM (w6EFb)

165 That picture of the world "leaders" explains much.

I would swap the whole bunch of 'em for a Dog Pecker Gnat.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 15, 2024 12:57 PM (R/m4+)

166 miley, hon, you have messages.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2024 12:58 PM (7iAr4)

167 24
'Tell ya right now, I don’t give one fleafart about WNBA.'

I care about one fleafart. I would like to see the fact exposed as undeniably true that the WNBA is run by bigots.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at June 15, 2024 12:58 PM (roH4R)

168
Someone explain to me how a piece of music celebrating a Napoleonic war came to be featured every July 4 in the USA.
Posted by: gourmand du jour


It's the cannons firing that enthralls folks.

As someone who once was in a concert band in high school, it is a decidedly fun piece to perform.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at June 15, 2024 12:59 PM (xG4kz)

169 Not everyone was a party member in the USSR, only those who got the nod. However, anyone who wanted to get ahead was looking for that nod.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 12:53 PM (D7oie)

Of course. That's the point though, there are layers of this thing. Those who report to the central office, those who are party members, but are just workers, and non-party members who do their jobs, in service to the party and have never once been in contact with the party, because the party doesn't have to do anything other than be a force in the culture, and these people will fall in line.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:00 PM (y29sO)

170 Kari, at a townhall, introduced a candidate she was supporting and received boos. That was disconcerning.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:00 PM (K7/OQ)

171 That picture of the world "leaders" explains much.
I would swap the whole bunch of 'em for a Dog Pecker Gnat.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 15, 2024 12:57 PM (R/m4+)


do you remember the photo from the last one or the one prior to that, where they were all arrayed like an away team being beamed down, and Merkle was looking like the redshirt?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 01:01 PM (D7oie)

172 Discounting WV as a done deal, the absolute BEST chance the GOP has to flip a seat is Sen. Jackie Rosen (D-NV). She's drawn a helluva tough GOP opponent in Brown, the disfigured Afghan war vet.

All the DEM incumbents in tough races are talking now about how often they supported Trump when he was POTUS!

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 01:01 PM (NLIak)

173 167 24
'Tell ya right now, I don’t give one fleafart about WNBA.'

I care about one fleafart. I would like to see the fact exposed as undeniably true that the WNBA is run by bigots.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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Sure you do. If you didn't care about it you wouldn't be talking about it.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:02 PM (K7/OQ)

174 Oh no! I have 95 Kindle points that are about to expire.

I don't even remember where my Kindle is.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:05 PM (y29sO)

175 I remember when insanity was a ‘disqualified’ for military service. Now it’s……..a plus.

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2024 01:07 PM (o2ZRX)

176 Starliner's return to Earth is now delayed to June 22 or later,... but the mission was lengthened due to a need to collect more information about the spacecraft.

[Duh, they mean fix the problems and prepare for a crash]

In the meantime, Wilmore and Williams will perform tests of the spacecraft's aft thrusters and review its hatch operations. They also will perform "safe haven" drills to prepare the capsule for an emergency situation.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:08 PM (K7/OQ)

177 I care about one fleafart. I would like to see the fact exposed as undeniably true that the WNBA is run by bigots.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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Sure you do. If you didn't care about it you wouldn't be talking about it.
***********
I don't know anyone, myself included, who wasn't only marginally aware that the WNBA exited, or could name a player or even team until Caitlin Clark came along.

Posted by: Cosda at June 15, 2024 01:09 PM (bcU23)

178 Boeing crew needs a prayer, if you've got one.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:09 PM (K7/OQ)

179 What could possibly have been running through Biden's decaying brain that would have led him to bump foreheads with the pope?
Is there anyone who would ask him why he did that?

Posted by: Northernlurker at June 15, 2024 01:09 PM (JLq/1)

180 Maybe something to it that I alone have often said Kari would be a great VP for Trump

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 01:10 PM (fwDg9)

181 Plus, AZ has enacted some very serious election integrity laws since 2020. Proof of citizenship is now required. In 2020, it wasn't. Did you know that?

So, you be as cynical as you like, but the facts on the ground have changed.
Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 12:36 PM (NLIak)


I did not know that. And I did not expect that since I would assume the secretary of state would be riding the same power wave as the election stealers. Happy to be wrong.

Posted by: Emmie at June 15, 2024 01:11 PM (Sf2cq)

182 177 I care about one fleafart. I would like to see the fact exposed as undeniably true that the WNBA is run by bigots.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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Sure you do. If you didn't care about it you wouldn't be talking about it.
***********
I don't know anyone, myself included, who wasn't only marginally aware that the WNBA exited, or could name a player or even team until Caitlin Clark came along.
Posted by: Cosda at June 15, 2024 01:09 PM (bcU23)
That’s what I mean

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2024 01:11 PM (o2ZRX)

183 Maybe something to it that I alone have often said Kari would be a great VP for Trump

Is she wasn't running for the Senate she might be up for the job, too.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at June 15, 2024 01:11 PM (dZVON)

184 Kari Lake is smart… and hot. I get the distinct feeling that she loses female votes because of that second attribute. Maybe she loses soy boy votes as well because her pair is bigger than theirs…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 01:12 PM (xT8gx)

185 Maybe something to it that I alone have often said Kari would be a great VP for Trump
Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 01:10 PM (fwDg9)

For reasons I don't think they can quite explain or even recognize, Kari Lake seems to annoy women. Right leaning women.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:12 PM (y29sO)

186 Kari Lake is smart… and hot. I get the distinct feeling that she loses female votes because of that second attribute. Maybe she loses soy boy votes as well because her pair is bigger than theirs…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 01:12 PM (xT8gx)

For reasons I don't think they can quite explain or even recognize, Kari Lake seems to annoy women. Right leaning women.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:12 PM (y29sO)

What do they say about great minds?

And then there's you and me!

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:13 PM (y29sO)

187 >>>An updated forecast shows not only could this hurricane season be active, but the possibility of storm impacts in southeast Texas [Boca Chica] is much higher than in the past.
_Dream Casting

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:14 PM (K7/OQ)

188 There's a pernicious form of cancel culture currently moving through corporations in the form of "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" (DEI) training, usually brought in as "third party experts". I prefer to call it by the acronym that more accurately describes it: DIE.

If you disagree with these trainers (even on a little point) they jot your name down as a troublemaker and report it back to your management, and a month or two later, you're severed without cause. Sure you get a severance package, but you're still looking for work, which really sucks right now.

Your workplace may start out fine, but as soon as the management starts bringing in this kind of crap, start looking for a new job at a place that doesn't do this. It isn't worth staying and trying to survive as it's going to turn into an ideological minefield, right quick.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 15, 2024 01:16 PM (O7YUW)

189 @177 I can too name a WNBA player besides Clark. That lesbian who plays for , um you know who in talking about

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 15, 2024 01:17 PM (FTjSO)

190 Sure you do. If you didn't care about it you wouldn't be talking about it.
***********
I don't know anyone, myself included, who wasn't only marginally aware that the WNBA exited, or could name a player or even team until Caitlin Clark came along.
Posted by: Cosda at June 15, 2024 01:09 PM (bcU23)

Care is the operative word here. When media pushes certain things to the front, people are forced to be aware of them, and then form opinions about it.

That's how it works. You don't have to "care" about something, in order to be forced to notice it, unless you put GREAT effort into ignoring it.

Like Taylor Swift or Britney Grinder or Ukraine or trannies or on and on and on.

Yes, it's possible to live with one's head in the sand. Or you can end up "caring" about the culture war... and hot wars.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:17 PM (y29sO)

191 That lesbian who plays for , um you know who in talking about
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 15, 2024 01:17 PM (FTjSO)

Heh, that lesbian WNBA player...

That's funny.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:19 PM (y29sO)

192 Can't say ever got into why some H8 Kari but now it's mentioned woman to me do not like attractive women I. Power.

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 01:20 PM (fwDg9)

193 The crew also will work to better understand some of the anomalies [faults/construction/design failures] Starliner experienced on its journey into low-Earth orbit, including a helium leak that led to a May 6 launch scrub.

Since then, four other helium leaks have been discovered, as well as a valve in the capsule's service module that was not properly closed.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:21 PM (K7/OQ)

194 My phone will play long YouTube videos while I chat here, it use to play podcasts like CJN Speaks too. These last couple weeks won't play the podcast while commenting here

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 01:22 PM (fwDg9)

195 Kari Lake is smart… and hot. I get the distinct feeling that she loses female votes because of that second attribute. Maybe she loses soy boy votes as well because her pair is bigger than theirs…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 01:12 PM (xT8gx)

You know, if I'm being generous though, look at Sarah Palin and Lauren Boobert, two hot women who seduced us all into believing they were smart and hot and effective.

Flash forward, and BOTH of them turned out to have problems with their families and marriages, and THAT is going to turn off a lot of right leaning women.

Or then look at SD Gov, Kristi the Dog Killer. Hot? You bet! But is apparently in a sham marriage.

I bet people are skeptical of Lake. Whether she deserves it or not.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:23 PM (y29sO)

196 >>>the judge on Friday afternoon dismissed the bankruptcy reorganization of Infowars and its parent company Free Speech Systems.

According to the AP, Alex Jones smiled after the judge tossed out his company bankruptcy. Jones is able to keep his company, his studio and all social media accounts

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:24 PM (K7/OQ)

197 Wow so much content
The Twitter is not Real life article is really good

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 15, 2024 01:25 PM (Ka3bZ)

198 I'm about to exit "eating culture."

I just got bought ingredients for four stinking dinners. The price jumped out at me, because I already had the "expensive" stuff - meat, alcohol, herbs and spices, etc. This trip was *only* fresh produce and dairy - 9 peppers, 2 squashes, garlic, 2 onion, baby spinach, parsley, 2 potatoes, cilantro, 2 shallots, 2 sticks of butter, 2 6oz. cheeses (goat cheese & pecorino), and a little can of condensed milk.

$78. This is insane.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 15, 2024 01:27 PM (0FoWg)

199 .

NOOD!

The Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread is up for those that want to discuss flower and vegetable goodness.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 15, 2024 01:27 PM (O7YUW)

200 ***Senate Finance Committee Chair Ron Wyden, D-Ore., today launched a new investigation of top Trump official Jared Kushner’s investment firm Affinity Partners
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This is why we need a Senate Majority, even if it includes some squishes.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:27 PM (K7/OQ)

201 GARDEN THREAD IS BLOOMING

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 01:27 PM (fwDg9)

202 What do they say about great minds?

And then there's you and me!
Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:13 PM (y29sO)

Ha! I think we might have something here (Seinfeld reference)

Your 195 makes a good point

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 15, 2024 01:27 PM (xT8gx)

203 According to the AP, Alex Jones smiled after the judge tossed out his company bankruptcy. Jones is able to keep his company, his studio and all social media accounts
Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:24 PM (K7/OQ)

I saw articles trying to spin this as a loss for him, talking about the "personal assets" he's forced to liquidate.

Yeah, that was already a done deal. The judge wasn't even looking at this. They (meaning the left and the shysters representing the supposedly grieving families) wanted to liquidate the company... and take his house.

They can't shoot him... yet. This was their effort to get as close to that as possible.

Alex lives to fight on. God bless Alex Jones. Doing the Lord's work.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:29 PM (y29sO)

204 This is why we need a Senate Majority, even if it includes some squishes.

Posted by: Braenyard


No, no, we need to jettison anyone who doesn't agree with me 100% of the time. That'll show 'em.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 15, 2024 01:34 PM (xCA6C)

205 Since then, four other helium leaks have been discovered, as well as a valve in the capsule's service module that was not properly closed.

Posted by: Braenyard
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Counterfeit Chinese Titanium.

Ask for it by name.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 15, 2024 01:37 PM (cOq4q)

206 204 This is why we need a Senate Majority, even if it includes some squishes.

Posted by: Braenyard

The problem is that the Senate Leadership are squishes. Strong party leadership forces the squishes to tow the line (aka Pelosi got her way on Obamacare by making the Dem squishes walk the plank). The Hammer, Tom DeLay was removed by Austin Texas lawfare (without any pushback by Bushie Texas GOP types) because he was effective at maintaining party discipline despite thin margins.

Squishes have to be punished--if not by the voters, then by the majority of their own party with meaningful consequences for behaving like Eyepatch McCain or Lady Lindsay by loss of committee chairs, funding, etc.

Posted by: whig at June 15, 2024 01:38 PM (/0X3E)

207 That might be a peculiarity of modern politics.

Females loved voting for John Kennedy, because he was cute. And Richard Nixon was not. My mother, bless her heart, was amongst this cohort. Mr. Clinton enjoyed a similar boost in "electability" over Bob Dole the senator from Kansas. Is that fair, does it make sense, etc.

Curiously, Females voting for Females - well now a different set of circumstances. They tend to dislike politicians who are hotter than THEY are? To the point of open hatred, regardless of any policy issues. They won't get to policy issues. Ever, because this is the entire point.

Ho hum. Not to be out done, the race grifter advisory council suggests that white politicians should question black authenticity should they vote for somebody else? "You ain't really black" and his opponent will "put y'all back in chains!"

High minded rhetoric, right there, ya gotta admit.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 15, 2024 01:39 PM (zquRj)

208 200 ***Senate Finance Committee Chair Ron Wyden, D-Ore., today launched a new investigation of top Trump official Jared Kushner’s investment firm Affinity Partners
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This is why we need a Senate Majority, even if it includes some squishes.

Posted by: Braenyard
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Frankly it is a good thing that it might render Kushner and his wife too toxic to have a White House role in a second Trump administration. Appoint him to an ambassadorship to somewhere in the Middle East or China to be eyes and ears but no policy role.

Posted by: whig at June 15, 2024 01:40 PM (/0X3E)

209 $78. This is insane.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Official record shows that inflation is only 3% year-to-year.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 15, 2024 01:41 PM (cOq4q)

210 There's a pernicious form of cancel culture currently moving through corporations in the form of "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" (DEI) training, usually brought in as "third party experts".

Not new at all, although enforcement mechanisms certainly have hardened. It's called "the Delphi Technique" and variations have been fucking things up for decades. Facilitators, manufactured consent and other contentious issues are managed through unscrupulous means. Very effective if you don't understand it, and pretty tough to combat even if you do. Insidious is not the word for it.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 15, 2024 01:42 PM (zquRj)

211 Squishes have to be punished--if not by the voters, then by the majority of their own party with meaningful consequences for behaving like Eyepatch McCain or Lady Lindsay by loss of committee chairs, funding, etc.
Posted by: whig at June 15, 2024 01:38 PM (/0X3E)

I would go so far as to suggest the reason there ARE squishes in leadership positions is precisely so the party doesn't have to actually do anything their voters want.

Dangling the majority in front of us is part of the op. Just vote for your squishes! They'll give you the majority, then we can REALLY do what you want us to do!

Yeah, no. I've fallen for that one too many times.

The Republican Party needs to die.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2024 01:43 PM (K6M7J)

212 ***[for Kennedy] To qualify for the CNN showdown, a candidate must have received 15% support in four separate national polls, and be on the ballot in enough states to reach 270 electoral college votes. Currently, Kennedy is on the ballot in six states, totaling 89 potential Electoral College votes.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:45 PM (K7/OQ)

213 For those who think the DEMs can steal AZ in 2024:

In 2020, Biden "won" AZ by 10486 votes. That's a margin of victory of one third of 1%.

According to RCP's average of all AZ polls today, Trump now leads Biden by 4.6%.

Assuming Trump really DOES lead in AZ by 4.6%, the DEMs would need to steal 714000 votes to win AZ in 2024. NOT 10,486. 714000.





Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 01:47 PM (NLIak)

214 The Republican Party needs to die.
Posted by: BurtTC
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One of the major reasons that Senate Leadership and House are squishes is that party donors do not align with the party base voters. People get to be leaders in the House and Senate by virtue of their ability to raise donor money and this donor money is exactly what prevents any meaningful reforms in the current system such as closing the border, enacting tariffs, reducing government spending, and so on.

Posted by: whig at June 15, 2024 01:48 PM (/0X3E)

215 https://legalinsurrection.com/bidens gaza pier and usmilitary personnel under constant attack

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 01:49 PM (fwDg9)

216 The Republican party voters are fine, it's the hidden Deep State representatives that need to go

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 01:50 PM (fwDg9)

217 miley, hon, you have messages.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2024 12:58 PM (7iAr4)

Thanks hon, I guess I haven't checked my phone for a few days! Have I mentioned how much I hate this phone? Does not make the little reminder sounds that I have vm or messages.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at June 15, 2024 02:07 PM (w6EFb)

218 According to the AP, Alex Jones smiled after the judge tossed out his company bankruptcy. Jones is able to keep his company, his studio and all social media accounts

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:24 PM (K7/OQ)

Well that must be a blow to the families and agencies that want him destroyed/shut up.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at June 15, 2024 02:12 PM (w6EFb)

219 Late to the thread but apropos of the elite's desire to extinguish humanity (at least us lower forms) in the name of Gaia (or whatever), John Daniel Davidson (who used to go to the same church as me) has written a book called Pagan America: the decline of Christianity and the Dark Age to Come. I haven't read it yet but listened to his 2 hour interview on Pints with Aquinas and man, the book sounds good. Scary and sad, but good. His message is not uplifting but fascinating.

Posted by: LASue at June 15, 2024 02:17 PM (llS7k)

220 Eight soldiers killed in Rafah IED explosion beneath personnel vehicle.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 02:18 PM (K7/OQ)

221 LASue would be nice to bring that up on the Book Thread

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 02:18 PM (fwDg9)

222
https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-patrick-bet-david

Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 02:43 PM (K7/OQ)

223 Boeing crew needs a prayer, if you've got one.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:09 PM (K7/OQ)
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What they need is to catch a ride home with SpaceX

Let Boeing deal with Starliner

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 15, 2024 02:46 PM (02Rcw)

224 ***Senate Finance Committee Chair Ron Wyden, D-Ore., today launched a new investigation of top Trump official Jared Kushner’s investment firm Affinity Partners
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This is why we need a Senate Majority, even if it includes some squishes.
Posted by: Braenyard at June 15, 2024 01:27 PM (K7/OQ)


"U.S. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) splits his time among homes in Portland, Oregon, Washington, D.C., and New York City, where his wife, Nancy Bass Wyden, and young children live. "

I keep wondering if ol' Ron shouldn't stay in NY where his money lives. Of course, since he is a Senator, that means what he does is never morally questionable, including listing a double wide in Oregon as his principle residence -- because as a millionaire he is "modest"

Posted by: Kindltot at June 15, 2024 02:54 PM (D7oie)

225 224

I'd resent that if either of my own state's senators did it.

Posted by: mnw at June 15, 2024 02:58 PM (NLIak)

226 Just had dinner with two other couples and one woman was appalled that Clarence Thomas is allowed to remain on the court due to his transgressions. What exactly is wrong with accompanying a millionaire/billionaire on a vacation? Jeebus some people are morons. Every damn pol in DC is a millionaire, does that keep them from taking others pols or judges on vacation with them?

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 15, 2024 03:03 PM (mc3Zo)

227 They are going to keep going after Trump, family and backers, but don't go looking at the millions the Bidens have made under the table from China and Ukraine

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 03:06 PM (fwDg9)

228 What a girthy thread thank you KT

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 15, 2024 03:07 PM (RIvkX)

229 I read Twitter regularly during President Trump's term, his tweets and James Woods'

But never had an account. The Facebook either.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 15, 2024 03:09 PM (RIvkX)

230 I've worked in female-dominated fields for 30 years and one thing I have learned is that there are relationships, transactions, and communications among women that are not only opaque, but silent, and invisible to my male brain.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 15, 2024 03:15 PM (RIvkX)

231 In before the Tolkien geeks clutter the place with Cheeto dust and Mountain Dew beverages?

Damn it !

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 15, 2024 03:22 PM (dmXQN)

232 Jeebus some people are morons. Every damn pol in DC is a millionaire, does that keep them from taking others pols or judges on vacation with them?
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine
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Did you ask if she expects SCROTUS Nazgul to be hermits?
Or just the ones she personally dislikes?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 15, 2024 03:29 PM (cOq4q)

233 Have worked next to women but not too much anymore. Occasionally there are women construction workers but probably not seen but a dozen or 2 in last 5 years

Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 03:37 PM (fwDg9)

234 UNBAN REDACTED

Posted by: REDACTED at June 15, 2024 03:43 PM (us2H3)

235 221 LASue would be nice to bring that up on the Book Thread
Posted by: Skip at June 15, 2024 02:18 PM (fwDg9)


Good idea.

Posted by: LASue at June 15, 2024 03:59 PM (gHjhb)

236 'Milwaukee, where we are having our convention, is a horrible city,' - Donald Trump

Brilliant Donald.
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President Joe Biden posted a photo on Twitter of himself greeting the Milwaukee Bucks after their 2021 NBA championship with the message: 'I happen to love Milwaukee.'

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 15, 2024 04:20 PM (aFNOf)

237 Trump did not say that about Milwaukee ;

https://tinyurl.com/4zp62x53

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 16, 2024 01:48 AM (bbfeE)

238 Going out on a limb here but.. is it true that our people ger doxxed, have lives ruined and not a single doxxer has even been shoved or tripped? We didnt even turn off the hot water?

I just don't understand why we dont do anything? All of our language is passive, relying on Fate and Karma and my personal favorite "if they keep hitting us like that they're going to be sore in the morning. I just dont understand this aversion to violence. At the expense of everything? Im about done with conservatives and the GOP. Im having difficulty coming up with a more useless group of people.

Now granted, Im Marine Infantry, my decision matrix is comfortable with violent solutions. That was a deliberate change the military made - they took off the safety glass and removed some inhibitions. And replaced it all with discipline. Im not going to kill someone for parking in my spot. Now, if I was a civilian this line of thinking would be unnatural and a cause for concern. So i think its perfectly normal to have Violence in my wheel house

Posted by: Fenrisulven at June 16, 2024 02:03 AM (m6dV4)

239 That said, i AM a child of two alcohlics and, what I went through as a child was horrible. Those "common traits of children of alcoholics" - the uneccessary lying, trust issues, irelationship issue - whatever i was meant to be got overwrutten by those traits. Maybe I was going to be the diplomar (ha) thar brokered world peace, because I have a sense of Truth and Trust that is so strong its infectous. But thats not whst happened.

By the age of 10 I had become so skilled at lying to protect myself and my younger brother that I even got past my father the great lawyer. I could lie right to his face "no Dad havent seen the car keys, naybe when Mom threw all the christnas gifts over the back fence...

At 12 I realized that no matter what your parents do to you, no matter how much they hurt you cant kill them. Because they're your parents. I worked that out myself

Then at 16 my first love, a girl i dated 2 years, was ripped away from me when my drunken mother found a motel rcpt in my car, rang up her puritan mother to call her daughter a "gold digging whore". I was her first kiss, first car date, first everything.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at June 16, 2024 02:30 AM (m6dV4)

240 Except that.
Didnt matter. I never heard from her again. She might as well have died that day.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at June 16, 2024 07:09 AM (okaWi)

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