MSNBC: Michael Cohen's Heist of $60,000 from Trump Was Him "Just Trying to Rebalance the Bonus He Thought He Deserved"

Oh.

MSNBC and the left have now justified:

* Beating people on the street for disagreeing with you

* Setting businesses on fire because you're on the race-rag

* Menacing Jewish students if you're angry that Jews are good at warfare and Arabs are only good at terrorist bombings, rapes, and kidnappings

* Stealing a hoard of cash if you think you "deserve" it

It's a criminal advocacy channel.

Before getting to MSNBC's latest defense of venality and criminality in the name of The Great Un-patriotic Cause...

The persecution has now rested, proving not a single one of its allegations, and leaving everyone still perplexed about what crime Trump is supposed to have committed.

The prosecution has rested its case in Donald Trump's trial, with Michael Cohen, Trump's former lawyer, as the last witness. The defense attacked Cohen's credibility during cross-examination.
Key Details:
Michael Cohen, the key witness, testified about the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels, revealing his own financial misconduct.
The defense highlighted Cohen's past lies under oath and financial gains from his association with Trump.
Closing arguments are expected next week, with the defense potentially calling three witnesses.

Byron York
@ByronYork
CNN analyst notes that Michael Cohen's admission of stealing $60,000 from his employer is 'a higher degree of crime than what Trump is charged with.'

Shipwreckedcrew
@shipwreckedcrew
In you are not following closely:
Cohen admitted on cross-exam that he embezzled tens of thousands of dollars from Trump Inc., but is not being prosecuted by the Manhattan DA because of his cooperation by testifying about false business record entries that are misdemeanors.
Cohen's crimes are clear felonies that he admitted to.
He also admitted he would lie under oath when his personal interests are at stake.
He then admitted that he makes money from the fact that Trump is on trial.
He tried to claim that he would make more money from an acquittal than he would a conviction.

I'd like to pop this slimy grub right in his cocksucker.

MSNBC’s @Lawrence O’Donnell defends Michael Cohen stealing from the Trump Org.: “Cohen [was trying] to rebalance the bonus he thought he deserved, & it still came out as less than the bonus he thought he deserved & the bonus he had gotten the year before” pic.twitter.com/UsdEfQUetR
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) May 20, 2024

Wolf Blitzer: "Truly amazing stuff that's going on right now--some truly stunning moments...Cohen admitting to stashing tens of thousands of dollars from Trump back in 2016...Todd Blanche asking him directly 'So, you stole from the Trump Organization?' Cohen replying 'Yes sir.'" pic.twitter.com/18iPHKvwv1
— MAGA War Room (@MAGAIncWarRoom) May 20, 2024

The defense called Cohen's former lawyer as a rebuttal witness (which he can do, because Cohen okayed him breaking lawyer-client confidentiality, because he's a terrible, terrible Bob Zuckercorn level lawyer).

BREAKING: Trump’s defense team has called former Michael Cohen adviser Bob Costello to the stand

Costello claims Cohen came to him suicidal in 2018, without any dirt on Donald Trump, but was willing to do “whatever he F—k” it took to stay out of jail 👀 pic.twitter.com/2B10KO5mu7
— johnny maga (@_johnnymaga) May 20, 2024

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 04:28 PM

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Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 20, 2024 04:27 PM (N1DT3)

2 Theft is fine if you "deserve" it!

That's actually pretty on-brand for the left.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 20, 2024 04:28 PM (N1DT3)

3 The whole thing should be tossed out now

Posted by: It's me donna at May 20, 2024 04:28 PM (Akjoo)

4 The whole thing should be tossed out now
Posted by: It's me donna at May 20, 2024 04:28 PM (Akjoo)

It should have been tossed out before it began. Why would it be any different now?

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 20, 2024 04:29 PM (N1DT3)

5 Yikes.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies Brigade, plucky comic relief at May 20, 2024 04:29 PM (SRRAx)

6 Does this mean I can steal from Comcast to rebalance all the cable money they got for sending me MSNBC which I never used because they have an inferior product ?

Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 04:30 PM (RHGPo)

7 The Lord helps those who help themselves, so I helped myself.

Posted by: Pastor Michael Cohen at May 20, 2024 04:31 PM (d04cU)

8 This again is absolutely amazing to me.

THIS? This is all that they can cobble together to "get Trump"???

He's way cleaner than I ever thought he was.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 20, 2024 04:31 PM (N1DT3)

9 The jury is still going to vote to convict.

To them, this is all sound and fury and Real Housewives of DC pseudo-drama.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies Brigade, plucky comic relief at May 20, 2024 04:31 PM (SRRAx)

10 Well, we are certainly well stocked with circuses.

Where's the bread?

Posted by: Roamin' at May 20, 2024 04:32 PM (lZVy/)

11 I'm gonna stiff the IRS on taxes just to rebalance what I think I deserve.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 04:32 PM (YqDXo)

12 Judge Merchan to Robert Costello: "Are you staring me down?"

Judge Juan Merchan has asked to "take a minute" and told the jury to step out.

"Mr. Costello you're to remain seated," the judge told witness in a raised voice.

After another sustained objection, witness Robert Costello rolled his eyes
and let out an audible sigh side, glancing at Merchan.

"I want to discuss proper decorum in my courtroom," the judge says.

Merchan also said, "You don't give me a side eye and you don't roll your eyes."

"When there’s a witness on the stand, if you don’t like my ruling, you don’t say 'jeez,' you don’t say strike it," Merchan says.

Then Costello held a long glare at the judge.

Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 04:32 PM (RHGPo)

13 It's a criminal advocacy channel.
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Eh, it's more like a definition channel.

Those things aren't crimes. Protesting at the capitol is a crime. Being Donald Trump is a crime. Opposing government policy is a crime.

MSNBC is *fiercely* anti-crime - they just control their own definitions.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2024 04:32 PM (d04cU)

14 The Rule of Law…

Posted by: tubal at May 20, 2024 04:32 PM (PCK5/)

15 Stealing from your employer is ok as long as it fills in the gap between the bonus you received and the bonus you think you were due.

Ah, ok, Keith.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 20, 2024 04:32 PM (sQh5T)

16 So I can ~~steal~~ commandeer a UPS truck and its contents because the dicks lied three times that they went to my front door with my package but I wasn't at home to sign/pay for it on Saturday??

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 20, 2024 04:33 PM (ZdexC)

17 New idea for Utopian society -- everyone just take what they think they deserve. What could go wrong?

Posted by: Satan at May 20, 2024 04:33 PM (rMeb+)

18 "I want to discuss proper decorum in my courtroom," the judge says.

Merchan also said, "You don't give me a side eye and you don't roll your eyes."
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Costello should fart loudly.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 04:33 PM (YqDXo)

19 If I was going to steal from DJT, I'd aim a lot higher than a paltry $60K. Just sayin'.

Posted by: gp In The Center Of A Stool Boom at May 20, 2024 04:34 PM (MvF+J)

20 Then Costello held a long glare at the judge.
Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 04:32 PM (RHGPo)

——————

So I guess making a shake weight motion is right out?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 20, 2024 04:34 PM (u73oe)

21 I was paid less than I was worth for most of my working life. I NEVER ONCE stole from my employer to get my due. Stupid immoral fucks.

Posted by: huerfano at May 20, 2024 04:34 PM (VGOMa)

22 When I figure out how much to steal from my employer, I calculate the amount that I think I am owed.

I strongly encourage MSNBC staffers to use the same method.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 20, 2024 04:34 PM (guGkK)

23 I am glad that Michael Cohen is not my husband. His wife looks like an attractive woman and they've been married for over 35 years.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2024 04:34 PM (XkYcA)

24 Technicalities!

Posted by: Democrat at May 20, 2024 04:34 PM (SYTee)

25 19 If I was going to steal from DJT, I'd aim a lot higher than a paltry $60K. Just sayin'.
Posted by: gp In The Center Of A Stool Boom at May 20, 2024 04:34 PM (MvF+J)

Probably did... He's just admitting to this one

Posted by: It's me donna at May 20, 2024 04:35 PM (Akjoo)

26 BREAKING: Trump's defense team has called former Michael Cohen adviser Bob Costello to the stand

Costello claims Cohen came to him suicidal in 2018, without any dirt on Donald Trump, but was willing to do "whatever he F**k" it took to stay out of jail 👀
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And why would producing "dirt" on Trump keep Cohen out of jail?

That's the real thing here, and nobody is going to discuss it and most probably won't notice it. Not that Cohen is a lying scumbag who tried to railroad his boss after looting him, but that Cohen saw the railroading as his ticket out of the Greybar Hotel.

Why would that be his ticket out? There is only one likely answer to that, and it doesn't exactly reflect favorably on the state.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2024 04:35 PM (d04cU)

27 Cohen should join the Mafia and apply the same logic there.

And end up in car trunk in long-term parking at the airport.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 04:35 PM (YqDXo)

28 Probably going to get away from it
Trump will be charged for letting him steal it

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2024 04:35 PM (fwDg9)

29 Yet ... Trump will be convicted. Keep that in mind, when all the usual suspects try to sell you on winning in court next time. Maybe listen to them less.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 04:35 PM (pTv5j)

30 Merchan also said, "You don't give me a side eye and you don't roll your eyes."

*eyeroll*

Oops! Sorry Judge!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 20, 2024 04:35 PM (guGkK)

31 When did Larry O'Donnell transition into Charles Nelson Reilly?

Posted by: huerfano at May 20, 2024 04:35 PM (VGOMa)

32 Cohen [was trying] to rebalance the bonus he thought he deserved, & it still came out as less than the bonus he thought he deserved & the bonus he had gotten the year before”

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Don't these guys normally play that they have some concern about *The Law*? Giving yourself a bonus from the boss' money when he hasn't approved it, because you think you deserve it is *THEFT*, and a particular brand called "embezzling".

Do they want nobody above the law or don't they?

(It is clear, they want The Law to be the Pirate's Code)

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:35 PM (krQz2)

33 Cohen may uave immunity from NYS for his testimony, but wasn't Trump's campaign run out of Florida (or some other state)? Can Florida's (or some other state's) AG come after him for this?

Posted by: BifBewalski at May 20, 2024 04:36 PM (MsrgL)

34 17 New idea for Utopian society -- everyone just take what they think they deserve. What could go wrong?
Posted by: Satan at May 20, 2024 04:33 PM (rMeb+)

Why can't we just print $5 million for every citizen? Problem solved.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2024 04:36 PM (x0n13)

35 "I want to discuss proper decorum in my courtroom," the judge says.

Merchan also said, "You don't give me a side eye and you don't roll your eyes."
_____________

Costello should fart loudly.

In his general direction?

Posted by: Archimedes at May 20, 2024 04:36 PM (CsUN+)

36 Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 04:32 PM (RHGPo)

Merchan sounds a trifle thin skinned.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2024 04:36 PM (XkYcA)

37 And Mr. McDonnel seems to not understand the difference between honest behavior and THEFT/EMBEZZLEMENT.

If Cohen did this by padding tax payments in his (Cohen's) favor, would that not rise to the crime of defrauding the state or federal government?

And if he did it to Trump, how many others did he embezzlement from in the name of what he thought he "deserved"?

I'm guessing a lot more of Cohen's former clients are going to be looking at what they paid vs what they truly owed.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies Brigade, plucky comic relief at May 20, 2024 04:36 PM (SRRAx)

38 8 This again is absolutely amazing to me.

THIS? This is all that they can cobble together to "get Trump"???

He's way cleaner than I ever thought he was.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 20, 2024 04:31 PM (N1DT3)
____________________________

Same here. I thought there had to be something of substance hiding in his closet. But, he got the "opposition colorectal exam" and they turned up nothing. So they proceeded to make shit up. Of all the Washington types you could probably count the number of people in this category on one hand while missing few fingers.

Posted by: Orson at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (dIske)

39 How can you claim that Nobody is Above the Law when you can find reasons "somebody didn't really, really violate the law--kinda"?

Buffoons.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (krQz2)

40 I wonder if it's dawned on Cohen that he's the patsy who will be blamed if the jury hangs or, less likely, if the jury acquits or if the Party orders Merchan to direct the verdict.

Welcome to the life of Michael Avenatti.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (d04cU)

41 Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 04:35 PM (pTv5j)

Thanks, Scoggy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (XkYcA)

42 Brah! Dakine, "Stink-Eye!"

Posted by: Makaha Local Boy at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (SYTee)

43 27 Cohen should join the Mafia and apply the same logic there.

And end up in car trunk in long-term parking at the airport.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 04:35 PM (YqDXo)

Frankie Carbone-Sequestration. In the back of a refrigerated meat truck.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (x0n13)

44 You is insultin' the dignity o' my robes!

Posted by: Judge Merchan at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (guGkK)

45 * Beating people on the street for disagreeing with you

* Setting businesses on fire because you're on the race-rag

* Menacing Jewish students if you're angry that Jews are good at warfare and Arabs are only good at terrorist bombings, rapes, and kidnappings

* Stealing a hoard of cash if you think you "deserve" it
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Nobody is above the law when we decide to enforce it! -- The Left

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (krQz2)

46 I think actual kangaroos would run better courts than this.

Posted by: Just Lily at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (0U9CA)

47 Breaking: surreptitious video of Cohen on the stand at the end of his testimony.

https://tinyurl.com/4dkk8232

Posted by: Archimedes at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (CsUN+)

48 Merchan also said, "You don't give me a side eye and you don't roll your eyes."

SERIOUS IF LIMITED EYEROLL, YOU JIVE TURKEY

Posted by: Sammy Davis Jr. as Da Judge at May 20, 2024 04:38 PM (994Xn)

49 O'Donnell is butt hurt. Trump tweeted this in early May:

"I spotted Ratings Challenged Lawrence O’Donnell, of MSDNC, in the Courthouse today. I haven’t seen him in years. He looks like shit, a real loser.”

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2024 04:38 PM (PwgSL)

50 New York is a failed State. Always was.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at May 20, 2024 04:38 PM (hZ+p8)

51 BTW...

SPEED -- the little white diet pill you don't have to be overweight to use. Available by prescription from your doctor; and your neighbor's doctor; and your parents' doctor; and [etc.]

Puppy-Uppers for when your dog is like this [shows a sad-faced Bassett hound laying on the ground] and Doggie-Downers for when your dog is like this [shows a Chihuahua or similar barking its ass off, bouncing up and down].

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 20, 2024 04:38 PM (ZdexC)

52 Wow.

just wow.

time was I might have said "unbelievable", but today? nuh-uh.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at May 20, 2024 04:38 PM (tQtDb)

53 When the jury votes to convict, it will be very much like the 3 AM ballot dump in 2020. Everyone but the Keith Olberman types will know it was rigged.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 20, 2024 04:38 PM (sQh5T)

54 Why can't we just print $5 million for every citizen? Problem solved.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I’m going to need your 5 mil, JJ.

Posted by: Kratwurst at May 20, 2024 04:39 PM (nIRE6)

55 Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 04:32 PM (RHGPo)

Merchan sounds a trifle thin ~~skinn~~dicked.

FIFY

Posted by: Archimedes at May 20, 2024 04:39 PM (CsUN+)

56 "I want to discuss proper decorum in my courtroom," the judge says.

Like letting Stormy Daniels detailing her sordid porn movie script actions without stopping her ?

Posted by: It's me donna at May 20, 2024 04:39 PM (Akjoo)

57 Why would that be his ticket out? There is only one likely answer to that, and it doesn't exactly reflect favorably on the state.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Yep, and we need a federal agency whose sole purpose is to root out corruption at every level. Except would have to be massive... something on the size of a Federal Bureau of Investigations.... oh well~

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 20, 2024 04:39 PM (IG4Id)

58 Sounds like Cohen and Avenatti should share a cell.

Posted by: huerfano at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (VGOMa)

59 Trump is guilty of being Trump; surely that's enough. Especially with a corrupt judge, and NY jurors.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (1bNHn)

60 "When there’s a witness on the stand, if you don’t like my ruling, you don’t say 'jeez,' you don’t say strike it," Merchan says.

This is outrageous prejudicial behavior by the court jurist officer - he is to ask for a judge chamber meeting if he thinks defendant is proceeding outside the court's rule for decorum...and those rules have to be in the lower court procedural rules and given in advance AND not during court, ALSO not made up by the Judge who is mad his pick is for who wins this court trial is not going his way...

Merchan is very, very close now to judicial misconduct...right up against the line....

Posted by: Boswell at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (K+UlC)

61 I'd bet anyone on here $100 that Lawrence O'Donnell and Joe Scarborough have sucked each others' dicks before.

Posted by: ballistic at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (oqH4h)

62 Wait, what? Cohen agreed to let his former lawyer testify, and his former lawyer said Cohen was suicidal and willing to do anything to get out of jail?

Literally WTF? That is the end of the case, as if everything that came before didn't already tank the case.

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (nLFEI)

63 O'Donnell should check with his accountants to find out how much money would make them feel appreciated, shouldn't he?

What about people in MSNBC Accounting? Any bonuses they think they're owed?

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (krQz2)

64 When did Larry O'Donnell transition into Charles Nelson Reilly?
Posted by: huerfano at May 20, 2024

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Think how much fun it would be to watch the 1970s-era Paul Lynde "commenting" on these events. . . .

"MISTER Cohen . . . when I think of you as an attorney . . . I want to turn state's evidence and throw myself on the mercy of the court!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (J2vNu)

65 The Mother (F*ckers) of ALL Shit-Shows -- which is saying a hell of a lot since The Golden ScalpWeasel descended the Trump Tower Golden Escalator in 2015.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (90baM)

66 Is you, or is you not mah constituency?

Posted by: Judge Merchan at May 20, 2024 04:41 PM (guGkK)

67 New York is a failed State. Always was.

Most of the NorthEast - and California - exist as is only because of the SALT deduction. Make them pay Federal as well as their own State taxes - instead of deducting State from Federal - and they all bankrupt.

They are; quite literally, leaches on the rest of us.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 04:41 PM (pTv5j)

68 I'd bet anyone on here $100 that Lawrence O'Donnell and Joe Scarborough have sucked each others' dicks before.
Posted by: ballistic at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (oqH4h)

Before what?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 20, 2024 04:41 PM (guGkK)

69
You don't need a corrupt jury when you have the FBI/Antifa goons to threaten to set you and your family on fire if you don't do what you're told.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2024 04:41 PM (x0n13)

70 Cohen [was trying] to rebalance the bonus he thought he deserved, & it still came out as less than the bonus he thought he deserved & the bonus he had gotten the year before”
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See, if we get rid of Trump, and people in his orbit, like his lowlife lawyer, maybe we can finally restore our norms.

Posted by: National Review at May 20, 2024 04:41 PM (sQh5T)

71 "Why can't we just print $5 million for every citizen? Problem solved."

They already did. Aaaand ... it's gone!

Posted by: gp In The Center Of A Stool Boom at May 20, 2024 04:42 PM (MvF+J)

72 Reparations for a Whitey.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2024 04:42 PM (63Dwl)

73 "When there’s a witness on the stand, if you don’t like my ruling, you don’t say 'jeez,' you don’t say strike it," Merchan says.

Posted by: Boswell at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (K+UlC)
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Judge Queeg, did you say?

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:42 PM (krQz2)

74 Marchan will go for a directed verdict. Either because he's a vindictive jackass or because he's under orders and he'll enjoy following those orders because he's a vindictive jackass.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 20, 2024 04:43 PM (tT6L1)

75 Wait, what? Cohen agreed to let his former lawyer testify, and his former lawyer said Cohen was suicidal and willing to do anything to get out of jail?

Literally WTF? That is the end of the case, as if everything that came before didn't already tank the case.

It really is a mystery. Just how incompetent can this guy be? Sure, let's make him AG, like he expected. He can't be any worse than Merrick Garland.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 20, 2024 04:43 PM (CsUN+)

76 Yep, and we need a federal agency whose sole purpose is to root out corruption at every level. Except would have to be massive...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 20, 2024 04:39 PM (IG4Id)
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Yup. This would be my plan. All police agencies and powers, and intelligence agencies and powers are dissolved and replaced with five new agencies:
1. Interstate law enforcement. Narrow mandate. No intelligence capability.
2. Foreign intelligence. Broad mandate. No domestic operations.
3. Domestic intelligence. Vanishingly narrow mandate.
4. Military intelligence. Broad mandate, only within the context of strategic and tactical assessment and battlefield preparedness.
5. Internal Affairs.

Agency 5 is comprised entirely of outsiders, nobody with tenure in any of the other four agencies. They are paid average GS wages, but also get lucrative bounties for every case of corruption or misbehavior they clear and every bad actor who goes to prison. It will be ruthless and deeply corrupt, but directed entirely inward at the FedGov, rather than outward at the people.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2024 04:43 PM (d04cU)

77 Most of the NorthEast - and California - exist as is only because of the SALT deduction. Make them pay Federal as well as their own State taxes - instead of deducting State from Federal - and they all bankrupt.

They are; quite literally, leeches on the rest of us.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 04:41 PM (pTv5j)
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This. Voting for stupid liberal crap was cheap, as the liberals were just redirecting some of their Federal taxes to state and local communist initiatives. Eliminating the SALT deduction put the question to them: are you still for this crap if you're going to pay extra for it?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 04:43 PM (YqDXo)

78 74 Marchan will go for a directed verdict. Either because he's a vindictive jackass or because he's under orders and he'll enjoy following those orders because he's a vindictive jackass.

There is no such thing as a directed guilty verdict in a criminal trial.

Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 04:43 PM (e8fK3)

79 The jury is still going to vote to convict.

To them, this is all sound and fury and Real Housewives of DC pseudo-drama.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies Brigade, plucky comic relief at May 20, 2024 04:31 PM (SRRAx)

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That is the most devastating aspect of the whole thing. I can understand lawyers being unprincipled and even the judge but when the jury overlooks an obvious miscarriage of justice and still gives a guilty verdict it is all over. Good people of New York should run, not walk, from the place.

Posted by: Decaf at May 20, 2024 04:44 PM (unUNN)

80 O'Donnell is butt hurt. Trump tweeted this in early May:

"I spotted Ratings Challenged Lawrence O’Donnell, of MSDNC, in the Courthouse today. I haven’t seen him in years. He looks like shit, a real loser.”
Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2024

***
I keep getting his name mixed up with Lawrence Durrell, the British novelist and poet. And I think Henry Kuttner and his wife/co-writer Catherine (C.L.) Moore used "Lawrence O'Donnell" as one of their pen names in the Forties.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 20, 2024 04:44 PM (J2vNu)

81 Charles Nelson Reilly (January 13, 1931 – May 25, 2007)

Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 04:44 PM (RHGPo)

82 72 Reparations for a Whitey.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2024 04:42 PM (63Dwl)

Mostly Bulger.

- - The FBI

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2024 04:45 PM (x0n13)

83 Don't you love a farce, my fault I fear
I thought that you'd want what I want, sorry my dear
But where are the clowns, send in the clowns
Don't bother, they're here
Isn't it rich, isn't it queer
Losing my timing this late in my career
But where are the clowns, send in the clowns
Well maybe next year...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2024 04:45 PM (IebSC)

84 67 New York is a failed State. Always was.

Most of the NorthEast - and California - exist as is only because of the SALT deduction. Make them pay Federal as well as their own State taxes - instead of deducting State from Federal - and they all bankrupt.

They are; quite literally, leaches on the rest of us.
Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 04:41 PM (pTv5j)

The SALT deduction has been limited for years now to only $10,000. Seems like NY keeps trucking along with their insane tax policy.

Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 04:45 PM (e8fK3)

85 There is no such thing as a directed guilty verdict in a criminal trial.

Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 04:43 PM (e8fK3)
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There will be soon.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 04:45 PM (YqDXo)

86 h, it's more like a definition channel.

Those things aren't crimes. Protesting at the capitol is a crime. Being Donald Trump is a crime. Opposing government policy is a crime.

MSNBC is *fiercely* anti-crime - they just control their own definitions.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2024 04:32 PM (d04cU)

I think Trump has a nation-wide lock on the small business retail voting bloc.

Posted by: mrp at May 20, 2024 04:45 PM (rj6Yv)

87 How can you claim that Nobody is Above the Law when you can find reasons "somebody didn't really, really violate the law--kinda"?

Buffoons.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:37 PM (krQz2)

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Forget it, Axe -- it's CalvinLaw.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 20, 2024 04:45 PM (90baM)

88 Charles Nelson Reilly (January 13, 1931 – May 25, 2007)
Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 04:44 PM (RHGPo)
++++
:: borrows Sponge's shtick ::

You asked for it:
https://youtu.be/xLnapb-30hA

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (d04cU)

89 There is no such thing as a directed guilty verdict in a criminal trial.
Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 04:43 PM (e8fK3)
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Think Marchan cares?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (tT6L1)

90 The Mother (F*ckers) of ALL Shit-Shows -- which is saying a hell of a lot since The Golden ScalpWeasel descended the Trump Tower Golden Escalator in 2015.
Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (90baM)
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We knew that NYC was becoming a laughing stock in other ways, now we see the start of a full unravelling of their court system.

Downward spiral of ideological paralysis is the only path for a blue enough city or state.

It's going to get worse. Remember they elected a former chief of police, who told them to eat a "clean plant-based diet" as one of his first priorities as mayor.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (krQz2)

91 Yeah about that bonus:

Cohen needed to actually do something amazing and all
He did was screw everything up and screw over Trump.

I doubt a bonus was ever contemplated or earned.

Posted by: Czech Chick at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (I6NNh)

92 When this jury says, "Guilty," does Trump get to appeal?

Posted by: davidt at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (SYTee)

93 68 I'd bet anyone on here $100 that Lawrence O'Donnell and Joe Scarborough have sucked each others' dicks before.
Posted by: ballistic at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (oqH4h)

Before what?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 20, 2024 04:41 PM (guGkK)

Before things got really ghey...

Posted by: Stormy's new script pitch at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (53oGX)

94 The Trump org is in all 50 states. Couldn't a red state DA/AG arrest Cohen for theft in their locality?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (ibTVg)

95 When I was in the Navy I often stole $$$$ because I felt they cheated me out of reenlistment bonus money.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (QNSds)

96 Merchan is very, very close now to judicial misconduct...right up against the line....
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Puuuuhleeeeeezeeee.

Posted by: Cleveland Lawyer at May 20, 2024 04:47 PM (3AKsc)

97 Before things got really ghey...

STOP THE HAMMERING

Posted by: Lawrence O'Donnell when the lube runs out at May 20, 2024 04:47 PM (ibTVg)

98 Merchan is very, very close now to judicial misconduct...right up against the line....
Posted by: Boswell at May 20, 2024 04:40 PM (K+UlC)
++++
There is no line.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2024 04:47 PM (d04cU)

99 So since the defense is putting on witnesses, that means they won't move for a directed verdict?

I can't believe that effing idiot waived confidentiality with Costello!

Posted by: PJ at May 20, 2024 04:47 PM (G1dq6)

100 Good people of New York should run, not walk, from the place.

You don't know everything about a person by knowing where they live. But you know enough.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 04:47 PM (pTv5j)

101 There is no such thing as a directed guilty verdict in a criminal trial.

Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 04:43 PM (e8fK3)
______________

There will be soon.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 04:45 PM (YqDXo)
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Right before the pixie hats and the skating vicar.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:48 PM (krQz2)

102 It's going to get worse. Remember they elected a former chief of police, who told them to eat a "clean plant-based diet" as one of his first priorities as mayor.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (krQz2)
______________

Does soul food count?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 04:48 PM (YqDXo)

103 The Trump org is in all 50 states. Couldn't a red state DA/AG arrest Cohen for theft in their locality?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM

Unfortunately no....the crime occurred in NYC and only they or the Feds have jurisdiction.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 20, 2024 04:48 PM (QNSds)

104 Make Monty Python Skits Farce Again.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:48 PM (krQz2)

105 IDK if yinzall got your BOC obligatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UazjjYbsKns
an al-queda era mashup

Can't find an Ayatollah original anymore.

but here's an old live one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkeQHydPhzE

Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2024 04:48 PM (FhXTo)

106 89 There is no such thing as a directed guilty verdict in a criminal trial.
Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 04:43 PM (e8fK3)

For this to be a criminal trial, there has to be an underlying crime that is proven. Otherwise, this is a misdemeanor.

This is a pretend criminal trial.

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at May 20, 2024 04:48 PM (nLFEI)

107 Pulled from last thread:

Has Scott apologized for wanting to force everyone to get the clot shot?

No?

Then shut the F up, Scott. No one cares what you have to say.
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Careful. People are also gonna apply that standard to Donald "Best vaccine ever made. Really super. Everyone should get 8 boosters" Trump.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 20, 2024 04:10 PM (2ocoG)

I'm fine with that. Trump should be capable of walking back his past statements. Now, I don't think he ever called for shot mandates, but he keeps saying it was a win for him.

If he's going to keep saying the vaccine was good, without recognizing what a disaster it was for so many people, then that's his liability, and he has to wear it when people consider it an important enough issue to not vote for him because of it.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2024 04:48 PM (dGCAG)

108 There is no such thing as a directed guilty verdict in a criminal trial.
Posted by: Liberty

Oh, would he get into double-plus trouble? Would the judge patrol get on his case? Would Honko The Clown break out his squeaky hammer?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 20, 2024 04:49 PM (IG4Id)

109 46 I think actual kangaroos would run better courts than this.

it's funny because kangaroos don't run; they hop

Posted by: anachronda at May 20, 2024 04:50 PM (sGtp+)

110 There is no such thing as a directed guilty verdict in a criminal trial.
Posted by: Liberty

Oh, would he get into double-plus trouble? Would the judge patrol get on his case? Would Honko The Clown break out his squeaky hammer?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 20, 2024 04:49 PM

I believe they would take away his juice box as punishment.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 20, 2024 04:50 PM (QNSds)

111 iirc, Trump said getting the vax should be up to the individual.

Posted by: davidt at May 20, 2024 04:50 PM (SYTee)

112 What we've learned about Michael Cohen:

He will secretly record his conversations with clients and friends.

He will steal his client's money and openly admit it in court without repercussions from law enforcement.

Banana republic stuff.

Posted by: mrp at May 20, 2024 04:50 PM (rj6Yv)

113 @AndrewHGiuliani

Blanche gets up and makes the case that the case should be DISMISSED.

Mr. Cohen on the stand admitted that the business records were not falsified.

There’s no other evidence that the invoices were mishandled.

Also there is no evidence of any intent of fraud by President Trump with these filings.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2024 04:50 PM (LkLld)

114 There is no such thing as a directed guilty verdict in a criminal trial.

Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 04:43 PM (e8fK3)

Don't roll your eyes at ME!!!

*Kangaroo Marchan

Posted by: Just Lily at May 20, 2024 04:50 PM (0U9CA)

115 There is no such thing as a directed guilty verdict in a criminal trial.

Posted by: Liberty
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Bad luck. We've got 103 judicial experts who signed a letter saying there is.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:51 PM (krQz2)

116 >>> 69
You don't need a corrupt jury when you have the FBI/Antifa goons to threaten to set you and your family on fire if you don't do what you're told.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2024 04:41 PM (x0n13)

XiNN et al assure me that the number of charges against Trump are more than enough evidence to prove he is a Bad Orange Man.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 20, 2024 04:51 PM (llON8)

117 Think Judges aren't above doing whatever they please? Look at Sullivan in the Flynn case. He was reprimanded by a superior court and ignored them.

PDT finally had to pardon General Flynn.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 20, 2024 04:51 PM (tT6L1)

118 MSNBC: Michael Cohen's Heist of $60,000 from Trump Was Him "Just Trying to Rebalance the Bonus He Thought He Deserved"
MSNBC and the left have now justified:

As I posted on the early Cohen thread, DU is in delusional overdrive trying to say the testimony is still destroying Trump:

Cohen has been an outstanding witness. All the legit legal experts agree. If you watch MSNBC you will get more accurate reporting.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 20, 2024 04:51 PM (ycI94)

119 As for this post, MSNBC is a whore, and they are whoring for the Democrat Party.

They'll say what they're told to say. Anyone still being outraged by it is really just overreacting. Call them out for who/what they are, but stop expecting journalism.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2024 04:51 PM (dGCAG)

120 91 Yeah about that bonus:

Cohen needed to actually do something amazing and all
He did was screw everything up and screw over Trump.

I doubt a bonus was ever contemplated or earned.
Posted by: Czech Chick at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (I6NNh)

Well, that and you don't just get to decide you get a bonus... hell I run finance and payroll and don't just get to do it...

Posted by: Inogame at May 20, 2024 04:51 PM (53oGX)

121 Hide your wallet when Michael Cohen is in the room.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 20, 2024 04:52 PM (aFNOf)

122 Unfortunately no....the crime occurred in NYC and only they or the Feds have jurisdiction.

See this is part of the problem here.

I suspect that there are laws specifically addressing this that could be used but even if there aren't make a judge throw out the case on the grounds that say FL or TX can't prosecute a theft in NY.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2024 04:52 PM (ibTVg)

123 For the heck of it...

I just hit FuxNews and there's a Costello quote highlighted that....

Costello says Cohen was shaken up after FBI raid: "He was suicidal... acting manic"

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 20, 2024 04:52 PM (ZdexC)

124 108 There is no such thing as a directed guilty verdict in a criminal trial.
Posted by: Liberty

Oh, would he get into double-plus trouble? Would the judge patrol get on his case? Would Honko The Clown break out his squeaky hammer?
Posted by: weft cut-loop
______

*honk!* *honk!*

Posted by: The Hon. Honko the Clown, Chief Justice NY Appellate Court at May 20, 2024 04:52 PM (sQh5T)

125 Don't roll your eyes at ME!!!
*Kangaroo Marchan

Costello: You aren't the boss of me!

Posted by: Archimedes at May 20, 2024 04:52 PM (CsUN+)

126 Blanche gets up and makes the case that the case should be DISMISSED.

Mr. Cohen on the stand admitted that the business records were not falsified.

There’s no other evidence that the invoices were mishandled.

Also there is no evidence of any intent of fraud by President Trump with these filings.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2024 04:50 PM (LkLld)
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KING KONG AIN'T GOT SHIT ON ME!!

Posted by: His Honor Emmett Sullivan at May 20, 2024 04:52 PM (krQz2)

127 all food supplies to NYC need to be stopped if they convict. I've had it with those shitheels.

Posted by: x at May 20, 2024 04:52 PM (Yfotv)

128 Any other state, particularly Texas or Arkansas or Florida, the state Appellate Court would have long stepped in and recommended dismissal and recommended that the lower court judge be investigated by the state judicial review board for willful judicial misconduct and possible prosecution...

It's absolutely amazing to watch a completely unlawful judicial process by someone flaunting multiple violations of a defendant's rights in a sanctioned state court and think he's going to just get away with it...criminal doesn't even begin to cover these actions by Merchan right now.

If NYS JCR board doesn't proceed immediately against Judge Merchan and replace him, then all holy hell is going to break loose under the first district of NY with every judge deciding how they'll dispense justice on their own terms... chaos....

Posted by: Boswell at May 20, 2024 04:53 PM (K+UlC)

129 When the jury votes to convict, it will be very much like the 3 AM ballot dump in 2020. Everyone but the Keith Olberman types will know it was rigged.

Posted by: Chuck Martel

Sorry. 98% of FUSA gets their news from the FNM. All these smooth brained jackasses will think or know is what they've been told to think.

Posted by: BifBewalski at May 20, 2024 04:53 PM (MsrgL)

130 Where did the term kangaroo court come from? I've never found kangaroos to be judgmental. Now cats...

Posted by: Northernlurker at May 20, 2024 04:53 PM (JLq/1)

131 Hide your wallet when Michael Cohen is in the room.

Your wallet, your spoons, your little girls...

Posted by: Archimedes at May 20, 2024 04:53 PM (CsUN+)

132 XiNN et al assure me that the number of charges against Trump are more than enough evidence to prove he is a Bad Orange Man.
____

Pretty sure the seriousness of the charges are also a factor in to whether Trump is guilty.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 20, 2024 04:53 PM (sQh5T)

133 "...leaving everyone still perplexed about what crime Trump is supposed to have committed."

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I can think of at least 13 people who are not perplexed at all. The judge and jury.

Running for president while Republican. Guilty.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at May 20, 2024 04:54 PM (wzAuc)

134
The SALT deduction has been limited for years now to only $10,000. Seems like NY keeps trucking along with their insane tax policy.
Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 04:45 PM (e8fK3)

————

NY almost entirely survives as a government entity due to the financial sector of which itself is 75% scams.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 20, 2024 04:54 PM (Adc+I)

135 Cohen has been an outstanding witness. All the legit legal experts agree. If you watch MSNBC you will get more accurate reporting.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 20, 2024 04:51 PM (ycI94)
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Yes, fine audience for the experts-agree brand of government.

Posted by: His Honor Emmett Sullivan at May 20, 2024 04:54 PM (krQz2)

136 “The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons"

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies Brigade, plucky comic relief at May 20, 2024 04:54 PM (SRRAx)

137 DU isn't delusional. DU is filled with DNC staffers and/or affiliates that promote DNC directives and censor Wrongthink.

Posted by: mrp at May 20, 2024 04:54 PM (rj6Yv)

138 94 The Trump org is in all 50 states. Couldn't a red state DA/AG arrest Cohen for theft in their locality?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2024 04:46 PM (ibTVg)
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No...if you rob a 7-11 in Nebraska the local DA in Texas can't file charges on you for larceny just because there's a 7-11 down the street.

Posted by: ballistic at May 20, 2024 04:54 PM (oqH4h)

139 Careful. People are also gonna apply that standard to Donald "Best vaccine ever made. Really super. Everyone should get 8 boosters" Trump.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 20, 2024 04:10 PM (2ocoG)

I'm fine with that. Trump should be capable of walking back his past statements. Now, I don't think he ever called for shot mandates, but he keeps saying it was a win for him.

If he's going to keep saying the vaccine was good, without recognizing what a disaster it was for so many people, then that's his liability, and he has to wear it when people consider it an important enough issue to not vote for him because of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2024 04:48 PM (dGCAG)

I'm probably too late, and just repeating something someone already posted.. but...
Trump specifically said he was against a mandate and shots should be available to those that want them for themselves.

Posted by: Inogame at May 20, 2024 04:55 PM (53oGX)

140 Unfortunately no....the crime occurred in NYC and only they or the Feds have jurisdiction.

Part of the answer was Trump to not participate in this farce - and snuggle down in a state that refused to extradite. Like Florida. But Donny Big Dick just can't refuse a challenge.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 04:55 PM (pTv5j)

141 >>> 133 "...leaving everyone still perplexed about what crime Trump is supposed to have committed."

--

I can think of at least 13 people who are not perplexed at all. The judge and jury.

Running for president while Republican. Guilty.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at May 20, 2024 04:54 PM (wzAuc)

He said pussy.

Posted by: leftists at May 20, 2024 04:55 PM (llON8)

142 "...leaving everyone still perplexed about what crime Trump is supposed to have committed."
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It the next few years "Kafka-esque" will lose all meaning.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:55 PM (krQz2)

143 I'm starting to think there's something fishy about all these Trump trials.

Posted by: ... at May 20, 2024 04:55 PM (lX8VI)

144 Harvard Harris poll has Trump up by 6, 53/47.
This is starting to feel real.
Probably I need a bunch of you to jump in and tell me voting doesn't matter. They are going to steal the election. Polls are fake.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 20, 2024 04:56 PM (t/2Uw)

145 "It's a criminal advocacy channel."

Yeah, MSNBC should just jack up their advertising rates to whatever they really deserve. No need to bother telling the advertisers. They should put Cohen in charge of marketing, too.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 20, 2024 04:56 PM (fvaUq)

146 Unfortunately no....the crime occurred in NYC and only they or the Feds have jurisdiction.
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Being Trump in New York did occur in New York.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 04:56 PM (krQz2)

147 You don't need a corrupt jury when you have the FBI/Antifa goons to threaten to set you and your family on fire if you don't do what you're told.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2024 04:41 PM (x0n13)

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Yes true, you don't need a jury to be corrupt, they just ned to be afraid you will do it to them if they don't give the verdict you want.

Posted by: Decaf at May 20, 2024 04:56 PM (unUNN)

148 “Michael Cohen said numerous times that President Trump knew nothing about those payments, that he did this on his own, and he repeated that numerous times," Costello testified.

This was Robert Costello's response when asked what Cohen said to him about payments made to porn star Stormy Daniels.

Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 04:56 PM (RHGPo)

149 OT: Biden Regime Issues Condolence for Terrorist Iranian Leader Ebrahim Raisi Killed in Helicopter Crash

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 20, 2024 04:56 PM (aFNOf)

150 Lawrence O'Donnell looks drunk in that screenshot

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2024 04:56 PM (FQmDC)

151

Member when MSNBC was Microsoft NBC?

Posted by: Dr Huge Largemeat at May 20, 2024 04:57 PM (lMNEn)

152 133 "...leaving everyone still perplexed about what crime Trump is supposed to have committed."
--
I can think of at least 13 people who are not perplexed at all. The judge and jury.

Running for president while Republican. Guilty.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at May 20, 2024 04:54 PM (wzAuc)

No, the REAL crime was beating Hillary! like a rented mule in the Electoral College.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies Brigade, plucky comic relief at May 20, 2024 04:57 PM (SRRAx)

153 "Harvard Harris poll has Trump up by 6, 53/47.
This is starting to feel real."

==============

Biden losing because a bunch of pro-terrorist, Hamas loving brown skinned people stay home and/or vote Kennedy would be so very sweet.

Posted by: Jay in PA at May 20, 2024 04:57 PM (i7Q7S)

154 They kill people coming out of the womb. That stuff is easy comparably.

Posted by: Plainoldtoast at May 20, 2024 04:58 PM (ytSiK)

155 Forget whether Cohen took from Trump. He used business funds to try to bribe someone to change his poll numbers. From Today:

Michael Cohen provided some background on the the $30,000 he said he stole from the Trump Organization by overcharging them for work he did with Red Finch -- funds that were paid to him as part of the Stormy Daniels reimbursement payment.

"Red Finch is a technology company that I had asked to assist in a CNBC poll, and the poll was regarding the most famous businessmen in, like, the last century," Cohen said, speaking to the jury. "Mr. Trump's name was on that list and at the beginning of this poll he was polling toward the very bottom. It upset him, so he had me come to his office and he provided me with a sheet of paper."

"I reached out to Red Finch who told me he was able to create an algorithm to ensure that Mr. Trump would rise and rise significantly in this poll. We talked about what number Mr. Trump wanted to finish," Cohen said.

This is the heart of the prosecution and makes this whole thing a felony. It's not about Cohen skimming money, it's about Trump trying to rig a poll.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 20, 2024 04:58 PM (ycI94)

156 Any other state, particularly Texas or Arkansas or Florida, the state Appellate Court would have long stepped in and recommended dismissal and recommended that the lower court judge be investigated by the state judicial review board for willful judicial misconduct and possible prosecution...

Posted by: Boswell

_________

How could that happen without one of the parties filing a petition with the appellate court?

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 20, 2024 04:58 PM (Dm8we)

157 >>> 144 Harvard Harris poll has Trump up by 6, 53/47.
This is starting to feel real.
Probably I need a bunch of you to jump in and tell me voting doesn't matter. They are going to steal the election. Polls are fake.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 20, 2024 04:56 PM (t/2Uw)

They're going to steal 2024, because no one stopped them in 2022 or 2020.

However, the polls *might* be a clue for these soooooper geniuses who think that tossing the smoke detector means the house can't catch on fire.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 20, 2024 04:58 PM (llON8)

158 Think Judges aren't above doing whatever they please? Look at Sullivan in the Flynn case. He was reprimanded by a superior court and ignored them.

PDT finally had to pardon General Flynn.
Posted by: blake -
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He gets it. They can put their thumb on the scales. Even if they eventually get reversed, you suffer. They never do. An unethical judge is a plague on society. Just ask Susanna about corrupt judges...

Posted by: Cleveland Lawyer at May 20, 2024 04:58 PM (3AKsc)

159 149 OT: Biden Regime Issues Condolence for Terrorist Iranian Leader Ebrahim Raisi Killed in Helicopter Crash
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I wonder if the regime sent condolences when the hostages remains were found* in Rafah's tunnels?

*seized, per Reuters' style guide.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 20, 2024 04:58 PM (sQh5T)

160 144 Harvard Harris poll has Trump up by 6, 53/47.
This is starting to feel real.
Probably I need a bunch of you to jump in and tell me voting doesn't matter. They are going to steal the election. Polls are fake.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 20, 2024 04:56 PM (t/2Uw)

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The polls are there to tell them how many "ballots" they need to pull Prezzy Depends across the finish line.

If they feel like they can't pull enough ballots out of a trunk somewhere, I suppose they'll bring in someone else.

Posted by: Just Lily at May 20, 2024 04:58 PM (0U9CA)

161 Where did the term kangaroo court come from? I've never found kangaroos to be judgmental. Now cats...
Posted by: Northernlurker at May 20, 2024

***
Kangaroos come from Australia.

Australia is upside-down compared to America.

A kangaroo court is thus an inversion of everything about a real court.

QED

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 20, 2024 04:59 PM (J2vNu)

162 Can't help thinking no matter how crazy-in-your-face this trial is they're still gonna get that conviction no matter what it takes or how much they sully the judicial system. Hope I'm wrong, but their whole strategy for November seems to rest on being able to call Trump a felon and shame people for thinking about voting for a felon.

I personally think it will backfire hard, but then again, I wouldn't bet money on it either since we're so far gone down the rabbit hole at this point.

Posted by: Biergood at May 20, 2024 04:59 PM (PwgSL)

163 Is there a lower form of turd than Lo Odonnell ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 20, 2024 04:59 PM (NtVYv)

164 " It's not about Cohen skimming money, it's about Trump trying to rig a poll."

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That's pretty damn funny.

I mean, if that were a crime, every politician in America would be in prison.

Posted by: Jay in PA at May 20, 2024 04:59 PM (i7Q7S)

165 Israel Fuming At UN's Moment Of Silence For Iran Leader: 'What’s Next? A Moment Of Silence For Hitler?'

... they say Allah protect the innocent
sure seems like ultimately Allah didn't protect Raisi much

Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 05:00 PM (RHGPo)

166 >>> 164 " It's not about Cohen skimming money, it's about Trump trying to rig a poll."

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That's pretty damn funny.

I mean, if that were a crime, every politician in America would be in prison.
Posted by: Jay in PA at May 20, 2024 04:59 PM (i7Q7S)

This would be bad because...?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 20, 2024 05:00 PM (llON8)

167 The UN had a moment of silence for him? Somebody should have ripped a massive fart

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2024 05:01 PM (FQmDC)

168 When an atty calls a witness, that atty is "vouching" for the witness-- i.e., that as far as the atty knows, the witness will give truthful testimony. I would never vouch for that little piece of scum. I'd resign first.

Sometimes a prosecutor will vouch for an admitted murderer, usually a co-operating defendant, but only if there is corroborating evidence. I haven't followed Bragg's clown circus all that closely, but I don't recall reading about corroborating testimony on Cohen's key point-- that Trump directed him.

To me, if I were a juror, I would've said, "This is a farce & a waste of my time," right after Trump's accountant testified that HE made the decision to report the payment to Cohen as a business expense-- that Trump had no part in that decision.

I'm still pessimistic about the verdicts, just like Dershowitz* is. Too many of the jurors likely just want to Get Trump.

*"Reversal of Fortune" by Dershowitz is a very good book. About the Claus von Bulow re-trial.

Posted by: mnw at May 20, 2024 05:01 PM (NLIak)

169 The funniest part is that after 4 years of Biden, 10s of thousands of $ won’t buy shit!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 20, 2024 05:01 PM (JTwsP)

170 DJT you have my permission to kick the ass of every “civil servant”.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 20, 2024 05:01 PM (Adc+I)

171 They kill people coming out of the womb. That stuff is easy comparably.

Posted by: Plainoldtoast at May 20, 2024 04:58 PM (ytSiK)
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They also believe that choosing life is not a New York value. And you really aren't their kind of people and should leave New York if you're some sicko that promotes "choose life".

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:01 PM (krQz2)

172 >>Is there a lower form of turd than Lo Odonnell ?

There are chunks of undigested Lawrence O'donnel in Jim Costa's Turns.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2024 05:01 PM (gmlRP)

173 Acosta. Dammit

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2024 05:01 PM (gmlRP)

174 And this guy was Trump's lawyer? Trump sure can pick em.

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at May 20, 2024 05:02 PM (TIizU)

175 Israel Fuming At UN's Moment Of Silence For Iran Leader:

We need the UN - GOP

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 20, 2024 05:03 PM (aFNOf)

176 That's pretty damn funny.

I mean, if that were a crime, every politician in America would be in prison.
Posted by: Jay in PA at May 20, 2024 04:59 PM (i7Q7S)
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It's never too late to start...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 20, 2024 05:03 PM (7fElN)

177 Donald Trump?

GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!

Posted by: Lawrence O'Donnell at May 20, 2024 05:04 PM (vcOmj)

178 >>This is the heart of the prosecution and makes this whole thing a felony. It's not about Cohen skimming money, it's about Trump trying to rig a poll.

Under what Statute is Poll Rigging a felony?

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2024 05:04 PM (gmlRP)

179 Merchan adjourns court. Will issue decision on whether or not to dismiss tomorrow.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 20, 2024 05:04 PM (3ImbR)

180 How could that happen without one of the parties filing a petition with the appellate court?
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 20, 2024 04:58 PM (Dm8we)

Was filed...denied by the NYS appellate court. Next would be a directed verdict...again, I suspect denied. The Judge here is making outrageous preludial statements in open court about the defenses witnesses...that's insane. They'll appeal, obviously, then hopefully the appellate court will step in - they actually are the judicial procedural bosses for the lower NYS superior court. But, if your lower court is not following those procedures, acting bizarre and unprofessional, you don't have to have a defendant complain...it just needs to come to their attention...I think it has come to their attention.

Posted by: Boswell at May 20, 2024 05:04 PM (K+UlC)

181 155 "Red Finch is a technology company that I had asked to assist in a CNBC poll, and the poll was regarding the most famous businessmen in, like, the last century,"

[[[[ snip ]]]]

This is the heart of the prosecution and makes this whole thing a felony. It's not about Cohen skimming money, it's about Trump trying to rig a poll.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions

not certain that rigging this sort of poll is a crime. i mean, this poll isn't about the election, it's more a "voted best burgers in vegas!" kind of poll.

Posted by: anachronda at May 20, 2024 05:04 PM (sGtp+)

182
*"Reversal of Fortune" by Dershowitz is a very good book. About the Claus von Bulow re-trial.
Posted by: mnw

Good movie, too, with Jeremy Irons as Claus von Bulow and Glenn Close as Sonny von Bulow.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2024 05:04 PM (BQGK9)

183 Total agreement with slugging Lawrence O’Donnell is his pussy mouth. Remember when he challenged Mitt Romney’s son to a fight? And put on a phony Southie accent?

Posted by: UGAdawg at May 20, 2024 05:04 PM (tRd71)

184 Merchan adjourns court. Will issue decision on whether or not to dismiss tomorrow.
Posted by: IrishEi

Spoiler alert: He did not dismiss the case

Posted by: BruceWayne at May 20, 2024 05:04 PM (MGB5H)

185 The prosecution has rested its case in Donald Trump's trial
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Now it's only up to the jury ... and the agreed upon "incentives" making its way to their mailboxes...

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:05 PM (krQz2)

186 140 Unfortunately no....the crime occurred in NYC and only they or the Feds have jurisdiction.

Part of the answer was Trump to not participate in this farce - and snuggle down in a state that refused to extradite. Like Florida. But Donny Big Dick just can't refuse a challenge.
Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 04:55 PM (pTv5j)

How did you propose he campaign under that scenario? Even crossing state lines after indictment would get him charged by the feds for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.

Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 05:05 PM (e8fK3)

187 this guy was Trump's lawyer? Trump sure can pick em.
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This just in

Lawyers are scummy and many will do almost anything for money, with the numbers only increasing when granted immunity from criminal charges

Also trump said pussy

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at May 20, 2024 05:06 PM (bqpm6)

188 >>This is the heart of the prosecution and makes this whole thing a felony. It's not about Cohen skimming money, it's about Trump trying to rig a poll.

Oh. Thanks for clarrifying that, champ.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2024 05:06 PM (LkLld)

189 I personally think it will backfire hard, but then again, I wouldn't bet money on it either since we're so far gone down the rabbit hole at this point.
Posted by: Biergood
__________

Their calculus is that the number of LIVs who will be persuaded by seeing "conviction" on their MSN home page is greater than the number of people that will be tipped to Trump because they finally see we're in a banana republic. They may be right.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 20, 2024 05:06 PM (Dm8we)

190 The incentive for the Chauvin jury was staying alive

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2024 05:06 PM (FQmDC)

191 Trump said pussy!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at May 20, 2024 05:06 PM (2QA3G)

192 Where did the term kangaroo court come from? I've never found kangaroos to be judgmental. Now cats...
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Serious answer...

The origin of ‘kangaroo court‘ is unknown, although, given that kangaroos are native nowhere else, we might expect the term to have originated in Australia. As always, a lack of a definite origin encourages speculative claims, which may be an appropriate word in this context as one frequently repeated supposed derivation relates to ‘claim jumping’ in the California Gold Rush – hence the allusion to kangaroos. That’s quite a plausible notion. Kangaroos and their claim to fame, so to speak, that is, jumping, were known in the USA by the early 1800s, so there’s no reason to limit the derivation to Australia. Also, the earliest known citation of the term is American and appears in a collection of magazine articles by Philip Paxton (the pen name of Samuel Adams Hammett), which were published in 1853 under the title of A stray Yankee in Texas:

“By a unanimous vote, Judge G– was elected to the bench and the ‘Mestang’ or ‘Kangaroo Court’ regularly organized.”

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 20, 2024 05:07 PM (ZdexC)

193 Lawrence O'Donnell looks drunk in that screenshot
Posted by: steevy

You must be thinking of Chris Matthews.

Well, this is ONE Irishman who isn't drunk all the time....(hiccup)

Posted by: Lawrence O'Donnell at May 20, 2024 05:07 PM (vcOmj)

194 Congratulations Clown World, y'all have made politics indistinguishable from your bread and circuses.

Well, at least in the Lare Lamented Republic bread and circuses are free (or already paid for, depending on your perspective).

Posted by: logprof at May 20, 2024 05:07 PM (9NH9n)

195 This guy and Avenatti are comically absurd caricatures of the slimeball attorney stereotype. These guys make Saul Goodman look like Daniel Webster.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 20, 2024 05:07 PM (0FoWg)

196 >>This is the heart of the prosecution and makes this whole thing a felony. It's not about Cohen skimming money, it's about Trump trying to rig a poll.

Under what Statute is Poll Rigging a felony?
Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2024 05:04 PM (gmlRP)
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Also, wouldn't they have to charge him with that, first?

These people don't know nothing about nothing, they just know that Trump should be behind bars because of feelz.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:07 PM (krQz2)

197 Spoiler alert: He did not dismiss the case
Posted by: BruceWayne at May 20, 2024 05:04 PM (MGB5H)
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Heh. Yeah, that's a pretty good bet. Toward the end of the dismissal discussion, DOJ ringer Colangelo bounds up to tell judge not to dismiss.

Posted by: IrishEi at May 20, 2024 05:07 PM (3ImbR)

198 174 And this guy was Trump's lawyer? Trump sure can pick em.
Posted by: Marcus Gravey at May 20, 2024 05:02 PM (TIizU)

———

Well the Feds did raid his office in an unprecedented act of breaking attorney client privilege and stole all his documents.

And this is all they got from it.

So the Feds are Cohen’s shit.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 20, 2024 05:07 PM (Adc+I)

199 Isn't Trump still on the hook for $475M from the EJ Carroll case? Was that appealed?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 20, 2024 05:07 PM (aFNOf)

200 Trump hiding out looks way way worse for him. He has exposed this whole case as a fraud.

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2024 05:07 PM (FQmDC)

201 The incentive for the Chauvin jury was staying alive
Posted by: steevy

The BeeGees did a song about that back in the 1970's.

Kind of a thing for juries now.....

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at May 20, 2024 05:08 PM (vcOmj)

202 Is Kamalamadingdong's title the First Thot, or would that be Dr. Jill?

Posted by: logprof at May 20, 2024 05:08 PM (9NH9n)

203 I rather be judged by a jury of kangaroos then whatever dregs of humanity they vacuumed up in NYC.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 20, 2024 05:08 PM (JTwsP)

204 "Trump said pussy!
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory"

Is that unknown main felony charge or the underlying misdemeanor?

Posted by: Ripley at May 20, 2024 05:09 PM (kKBij)

205 186 140 Unfortunately no....the crime occurred in NYC and only they or the Feds have jurisdiction.

Part of the answer was Trump to not participate in this farce - and snuggle down in a state that refused to extradite. Like Florida. But Donny Big Dick just can't refuse a challenge.
Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 04:55 PM (pTv5j)

How did you propose he campaign under that scenario? Even crossing state lines after indictment would get him charged by the feds for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.
Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 05:05 PM (e8fK3)

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Also, considering the hysterics being had about Jan 6, what do you suppose the media would say about him refusing to appear in court? And what possible state could he trust? DeSantis let the feds toss Melania's panty drawer.

Posted by: Just Lily at May 20, 2024 05:09 PM (0U9CA)

206 If Trump wants to stop the lawfare he is going to have to unleash unmitigated hell on these gangsters.

But given Trump's pragmatism he may just declare victory if he can out ballot the Communists and let someone else take on the Lawfare Leviathan.
Some day. May be.

Then again if they just keep going at him Trump may figure it's Gladiator Time-- ie somebody has to die( figuratively) to resolve this mess.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at May 20, 2024 05:09 PM (rI5ZL)

207 Cohen wasn't Trump's real lawyer. He was the lawyer paid to make things like Stormy go away.

That doesn't take Harvard Law.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2024 05:09 PM (LkLld)

208 Isn't Trump still on the hook for $475M from the EJ Carroll case? Was that appealed?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at

That's from the real estate case. Carroll was "only" 89m or something like that. Both are on appeal.

Posted by: BruceWayne at May 20, 2024 05:09 PM (MGB5H)

209 >>Also, wouldn't they have to charge him with that, first?

Only in EVERY Court but this one...we STILL don't know the outlines of the crimes he is being charged for.

I think that is going to be the O'Henryesque surprise in the Prosecution Closing.
They rip the Lid of the Box and ...

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2024 05:09 PM (gmlRP)

210 *"Reversal of Fortune" by Dershowitz is a very good book. About the Claus von Bulow re-trial.
Posted by: mnw

It was also a pretty good movie, with Jeremy Irons playing Klaus von Bulow.

Jeremy had a couple of scenes were he just got to look sinister.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at May 20, 2024 05:09 PM (vcOmj)

211 It would be a lot better for Trump to be cowering somewhere rather than winning handily and his support increasing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at May 20, 2024 05:10 PM (bqpm6)

212 Lawyers are scummy and many will do almost anything for money, with the numbers only increasing when granted immunity from criminal charges

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at May 20, 2024 05:06 PM (bqpm6)
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Trump could have stayed cleaner by hiring a porn star to do his legal work.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:10 PM (krQz2)

213 Vincent 'Vinny' Gambini would have a field day with this judge and not mind his overnight stays in the pokey when he is charged with contempt.

Posted by: Cheri at May 20, 2024 05:10 PM (oiNtH)

214 No one knows what it's like
To be the bad man
To be the sad man
Behind blue eyes
No one knows what it's like
To be hated
To be fated
To telling only lies

Posted by: Mikey Cohen at May 20, 2024 05:10 PM (NtVYv)

215 Then again if they just keep going at him Trump may figure it's Gladiator Time-- ie somebody has to die( figuratively) to resolve this mess.
Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters

Like when Antifa was shooting people dead in the streets in Seattle Gladiator time?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 20, 2024 05:11 PM (aFNOf)

216 Part of the answer was Trump to not participate in this farce - and snuggle down in a state that refused to extradite. Like Florida. But Donny Big Dick just can't refuse a challenge.
Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 04:55 PM (pTv5j)

How did you propose he campaign under that scenario? Even crossing state lines after indictment would get him charged by the feds for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.

Posted by: Liberty at May 20, 2024 05:05 PM

That is exactly what the democrats wanted, Trump to refuse to go to NYC to stand trial. I can see it now, fugitive from justice and 20 states would have removed him from the ballot for that alone and I suspect it would have worked.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 20, 2024 05:11 PM (QNSds)

217 Baseball players used to have a kangaroo court in the clubhouse where they handed out fines for comical things

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2024 05:11 PM (FQmDC)

218 Think the Carroll case was 9 million or maybe80 million. The 450 million is the made up case that Trump didn't properly value his buildings when seeking a loan which was paid back and everyone satisfied. No one was harmed so there was no fraud. It has been appealed.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 20, 2024 05:11 PM (t/2Uw)

219 "Under what Statute is Poll Rigging a felony?"

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Whichever one the judge decides it is.

Duh!

Posted by: Jay in PA at May 20, 2024 05:12 PM (i7Q7S)

220 [i208 Isn't Trump still on the hook for $475M from the EJ Carroll case? Was that appealed?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at

That's from the real estate case. Carroll was "only" 89m or something like that. Both are on appeal.
Posted by: BruceWayne

Okay thanks. I get all f these lawsuits mixed up.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 20, 2024 05:12 PM (aFNOf)

221 Isn't Trump still on the hook for $475M from the EJ Carroll case? Was that appealed?
Posted by: Maj. Healey

Yes, that is under appeal.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at May 20, 2024 05:12 PM (vcOmj)

222 185 The prosecution has rested its case in Donald Trump's trial
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Now it's only up to the jury ... and the agreed upon "incentives" making its way to their mailboxes...
Posted by: Axeman

It's a tough call. On one hand, we have the accused, who hasn't violated the law as written, or intended, or in a way that has ever been held against anyone before (or will be in the future).

On the other hand, Orange Man is VERY Bad, and we need to save Democracy by any means necessary...

Posted by: Liberal Blue Metro Area Trump Jury Forepersyn at May 20, 2024 05:12 PM (ycI94)

223 Trump could have stayed cleaner by hiring a porn star to do his legal work.
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That's still the most amazing thing.

Trump can't be any cleaner. It's incredible.

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at May 20, 2024 05:12 PM (bqpm6)

224 this man gave up a lot to serve his country.

Posted by: x at May 20, 2024 05:13 PM (Yfotv)

225 Re. Court:

We were promised Kafka. Instead we got Lewis Carrol.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2024 05:13 PM (gmlRP)

226 >>Yes, that is under appeal.

And of convicted or a yet undetermined crime in this case it will also go to appeal.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2024 05:13 PM (LkLld)

227 Trump could have stayed cleaner by hiring a porn star to do his legal work.
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024

***
We can recommend several!

Posted by: Pr0nHub & YooPr0n at May 20, 2024 05:13 PM (J2vNu)

228 Okay thanks. I get all f these lawsuits mixed up.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 20, 2024 05:12 PM (aFNOf)
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You can't tell the lawfare apart without a score card.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:14 PM (krQz2)

229 Trump could have stayed cleaner by hiring a porn star to do his legal work.
Posted by: Axeman

Does he need anyone to run NASA?

Posted by: Asia Carrera at May 20, 2024 05:14 PM (gKWVE)

230 Trump can't be any cleaner. It's incredible.

He did business in NY for decades and has been the left's most wanted man since 2015 or so. This was the best they could find...

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2024 05:14 PM (FQmDC)

231 Costello should have told Merchan to "just relax."

Judge Juan reminding me of Early Cuyler in Squidbillies: "HE LOOKED AT ME CROSSWAYS!!!!!!"

Posted by: deepelemblues at May 20, 2024 05:14 PM (z9n5F)

232 when seeking a loan which was paid back and everyone satisfied. No one was harmed so there was no fraud. It has been appealed.

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And the banks said "we loved doing business with him and wish more clients were like him"

But pussy

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at May 20, 2024 05:14 PM (bqpm6)

233 I expect the last line of jury instructions to be "And remember this man said 'pussy'"

Posted by: BruceWayne at May 20, 2024 05:15 PM (MGB5H)

234 Hunter Biden now claims he didn’t introduce dad to Burisma exec despite admitting they dined together — as ‘sugar brother’ runs out of cash

Hunter indicated he did not introduce the Burisma board adviser to his father despite testifying on Feb. 28 that then-VP Biden attended a pair of dinners at DC’s Cafe Milano restaurant in 2014 and 2015 — one of which included Pozharskyi, whose company hired Hunter in early 2014 as his dad assumed control of the Obama administration’s policy toward Ukraine.

“I do believe that Vadym was at one of these dinners, yes,” Hunter told Congress, backing The Post’s initial October 2020 reporting on documents from Hunter’s abandoned laptop.

... this strategy won't hunt

Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 05:15 PM (RHGPo)

235 But pussy

They don't really have a problem with that. It's just that he said it while being Donald Trump...

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2024 05:16 PM (FQmDC)

236 That judge looks like he smokes the chorizo

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at May 20, 2024 05:16 PM (wBaIH)

237 235 But pussy
They don't really have a problem with that.

*shudder*

Posted by: Lindsey! at May 20, 2024 05:16 PM (gKWVE)

238 Link from MSNBC-I didn't read it yet, but the headline is: "Jonathan Turley: I think Trump will win this case."

I think that's more than a little optimistic of you, Mr. Turley.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2024 05:16 PM (XkYcA)

239 231 Costello should have told Merchan to "just relax."

Sergeant Hulka: Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 05:17 PM (RHGPo)

240 Link from MSNBC-I didn't read it yet, but the headline is: "Jonathan Turley: I think Trump will win this case."

I think that's more than a little optimistic of you, Mr. Turley.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Kind of depends on the definition of win, he isn't going to be acquitted COULD hang the jury or will EVENTUALLY be tossed. Like in 4 years.

Posted by: BruceWayne at May 20, 2024 05:18 PM (MGB5H)

241 Sure seems more and more like Alvin Bragg won't fulfill his campaign promise to "get Trump"

Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 05:18 PM (RHGPo)

242 But pussy
They don't really have a problem with that.

*shudder*
Posted by: Lindsey! at
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Ha

SHOOT! SHOOT! DON'T LET IT NEAR ME!

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at May 20, 2024 05:18 PM (bqpm6)

243 From the sidebar: Giving up a testicle to fight toxic masculinity is like fighting a war for peace. Which was like f***ing for chastity. Or so we were assured ca. 1970.

Posted by: Pr0nHub & YooPr0n at May 20, 2024 05:20 PM (J2vNu)

244 Apparently, Fake Judge Merchan yelled at attorney Costello today for looking too intently at Cohen during Cohen's testimony.

He looked at Cohen the wrong way.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 20, 2024 05:21 PM (qwTVC)

245 Scumbag regime strikes again:

@Kredo0 48m
JUST IN: Biden Admin To Rely on Hamas-Linked UNRWA As Gaza Pier Effort Ramps Up — ‘The entire U.N. family' will be leveraged, officials confirm, drawing accusations Biden is violating Congressional ban on UNRWA

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 20, 2024 05:21 PM (IG4Id)

246 >>I think that's more than a little optimistic of you, Mr. Turley.

The deck is obviously stacked against Trump and conviction seems likely. But there are 2 lawyers on the jury and it is going to be interesting to see what they do.

It's one thing for truck drivers and waitresses to pretend they don't understand the law, a little different for a lawyer. They've got to be cursing the day they got called for this farce.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2024 05:21 PM (LkLld)

247 The authorities usually classify people unilaterally taking what they think they deserve as theft.

Posted by: State Bar's Certainly See It That Way at May 20, 2024 05:22 PM (WDwli)

248 Michael Cohen is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful and most truthful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

- Nicolle Wallace, Joy Reid, Alvin Bragg, Rachel Maddow, Merrick Garland, Andrew Weissmann, Robert Mueller, James Comey, Chrissy Hayes, Jake Tapper, Dana Bash, Nancy Pelosi, Hunter Biden, Fani Willis, Jack Smith, DOCTOR Jill Biden.

Posted by: Gref at May 20, 2024 05:22 PM (5fDan)

249 >>@Kredo0 48m
JUST IN: Biden Admin To Rely on Hamas-Linked UNRWA As Gaza Pier Effort Ramps Up — ‘The entire U.N. family' will be leveraged, officials confirm, drawing accusations Biden is violating Congressional ban on UNRWA

Israel should just lay siege to it.

Dig a Trench around it and let the aide rot on the dock.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2024 05:23 PM (gmlRP)

250 Are there any possible repercussions for this judge? I mean, I hope he gets a fatal case of shingles, but I mean legally?

Posted by: UGAdawg at May 20, 2024 05:23 PM (tRd71)

251 The best we should hope for is for one dude on the jury to have the guts to look at the rest of them and say "This is complete bullshit, the prosecution has failed to articulate that a crime even took place, and I will never, and I mean never, vote to convict. We can be here for an hour or two weeks. Never."

Posted by: ballistic at May 20, 2024 05:24 PM (oqH4h)

252 But there are 2 lawyers on the jury and it is going to be interesting to see what they do.

Be a shame if anything happened to your law licenses
State of NY

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2024 05:24 PM (FQmDC)

253 Pope Frankie:
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"We are all fundamentally good. Yes, there are some rogues and sinners, but the heart itself is good,"
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Not. Biblical. a. tall.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:24 PM (krQz2)

254 Posted by: SMOD at May 20, 2024 05:18 PM (RHGPo

I certainly hope and pray so, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who is praying about this everyday.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2024 05:24 PM (XkYcA)

255 Link from MSNBC-I didn't read it yet, but the headline is: "Jonathan Turley: I think Trump will win this case."

I think that's more than a little optimistic of you, Mr. Turley.

Turley has a vested interest in believing -- or at least acting like he believes -- that the system still works.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 20, 2024 05:24 PM (/y8xj)

256 The lawyers are probably the easiest to predict. They know they'll never work again if they don't convict.

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at May 20, 2024 05:25 PM (bqpm6)

257 Listen to this, watch it, The Donald live outside the courtroom door, him speaking without a prompter, reading from page after page, speaking only what he can from the press clips without violating the gag, and try to imagine . . .

. . . the fucking vegetable, the nursing home resident with his enabler bitch at his side always, just try to imagine him attempting to do this.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 20, 2024 05:25 PM (KiBMU)

258 Have they said yet what the crime is ?

Posted by: It's me donna at May 20, 2024 05:25 PM (Akjoo)

259 "Some rogues and sinners like sheep have gone astray" - Frankie 53:6

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:25 PM (krQz2)

260 You're right Frankie, whole Lotta people good for nothing.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2024 05:25 PM (s7CNV)

261 Did Stupid report more than 60K to IRS?

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at May 20, 2024 05:26 PM (Lnjzl)

262
Member when MSNBC was Microsoft NBC?
Posted by: Dr Huge Largemeat

Back when they had Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and Michael Savage as show hosts.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2024 05:26 PM (63Dwl)

263 249 Israel should just lay siege to it.

Dig a Trench around it and let the aide rot on the dock.

"from the trench to the sea" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Posted by: anachronda at May 20, 2024 05:26 PM (sGtp+)

264 Have they said yet what the crime is ?

Posted by: It's me donna at May 20, 2024 05:25 PM (Akjoo)
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It's a secret.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:26 PM (krQz2)

265 I wonder if Fake Judge Merchan will hire Carroll's lawyer and file a defamation claim against Trump when this is all over.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at May 20, 2024 05:26 PM (vW0lt)

266 Pope Frankie:
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"We are all fundamentally good. Yes, there are some rogues and sinners, but the heart itself is good,"
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Leave me out of this, Frank. Speak up if you need me because I'm not standing close to you, either.

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at May 20, 2024 05:27 PM (bqpm6)

267 252 But there are 2 lawyers on the jury and it is going to be interesting to see what they do.

Be a shame if anything happened to your law licenses
State of NY

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2024 05:24 PM (FQmDC)

Be a shame if 15 Venezuelan gang members I didn't prosecute for beating cops followed each of you home at the end of the trial.
- Alvin Bragg

Posted by: Gref at May 20, 2024 05:27 PM (5fDan)

268 >>The lawyers are probably the easiest to predict. They know they'll never work again if they don't convict.

I wouldn't hire any lawyer who was this blatantly corrupt.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2024 05:28 PM (LkLld)

269 >>>>>It's one thing for truck drivers and waitresses to pretend they don't understand the law, a little different for a lawyer. They've got to be cursing the day they got called for this farce.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2024 05:21 PM (LkLld)
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Jack Straw: I respect the opinions and information you post but relying on lawyers to do the honest and correct thing, beyond their self interest, may be a bridge too far.

Posted by: Ragland (Rags) T. Tiger at May 20, 2024 05:28 PM (Hcx5A)

270 264 Have they said yet what the crime is ?

Posted by: It's me donna at May 20, 2024 05:25 PM (Akjoo)
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It's a secret.
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:26 PM (krQz2)

You have to convict Trump to find out what's in the indictment!

Posted by: Nanzi Pelozi's Geriatric Milkers at May 20, 2024 05:28 PM (WDwli)

271 >>The lawyers are probably the easiest to predict. They know they'll never work again if they don't convict.

I wouldn't hire any lawyer who was this blatantly corrupt.
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How about book deals and NGO executives?

Posted by: Moron Robbie congratulates women on needing to work until they're 80 at May 20, 2024 05:29 PM (bqpm6)

272 It ain’t Eenie, Meanie, or Miney.. Mr. Moe please step forward.

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at May 20, 2024 05:29 PM (Lnjzl)

273 The Law. The Message. Whatever.

Posted by: morigu at May 20, 2024 05:31 PM (AfJBK)

274 We find Donald J Trump guilty. We just don't know of what.
-jury foreperson

Posted by: BruceWayne at May 20, 2024 05:32 PM (MGB5H)

275 >>Jack Straw: I respect the opinions and information you post but relying on lawyers to do the honest and correct thing, beyond their self interest, may be a bridge too far.

Thanks but I'm still wondering what their self-interest is here. This is not a close call, a case that could go either way based on the evidence.

There is no evidence. They haven't even specified a crime. The star witness is a disbarred lawyer who is a convicted felon for perjury and it has just been proved that he spent his time on the witness stand in this case repeatedly lying and admitting he stole from the guy he is trying to convict because he has a financial interest in see Trump convicted. Even the CNN legal analyst is saying this trial is a disaster.

If Trump gets convicted which I agree is likely the case will be appealed and it's pretty hard to see how this doesn't get overturned. That can't be good for a lawyer even in NYC.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2024 05:33 PM (LkLld)

276 Be a shame if 15 Venezuelan gang members I didn't prosecute for beating cops followed each of you home at the end of the trial.
- Alvin Bragg
Posted by: Gref at May 20, 2024 05:27 PM (5fDan)
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That.

It would be a surprise if that's where the Dems were getting their street troops from this time around.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:34 PM (krQz2)

277 We find Donald J Trump guilty. We just don't know of what.
-jury foreperson
Posted by: BruceWayne at May 20, 2024 05:32 PM (MGB5H)
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He sure looks it.

Posted by: Judge Merchan at May 20, 2024 05:35 PM (krQz2)

278 Merchan also said, "You don't give me a side eye and you don't roll your eyes."
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Costello should fart loudly.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 04:33 PM (YqDXo)

push up his glasses with his middle finger--the Obama wave.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 20, 2024 05:36 PM (z/ifB)

279 If Trump wanted to really have fun, serve Coehn with papers for the theft in open court.

Posted by: bskb at May 20, 2024 05:37 PM (BJ/Gr)

280 Pope Frankie:
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"We are all fundamentally good. Yes, there are some rogues and sinners, but the heart itself is good,"

“The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? - Jeremiah 17:3

The Pope doesn't read the Bible.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at May 20, 2024 05:38 PM (iruKY)

281 This is the heart of the prosecution and makes this whole thing a felony. It's not about Cohen skimming money, it's about Trump trying to rig a poll.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 20, 2024 04:58 PM (ycI94)
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Now do the NYT bestseller list.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 05:38 PM (YqDXo)

282 The Pope doesn't read the Bible.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at May 20, 2024 05:38 PM (iruKY)

That's obvious

Posted by: It's me donna at May 20, 2024 05:38 PM (Akjoo)

283 The entire U.N. family' will be leveraged, officials confirm, drawing accusations Biden is violating Congressional ban on UNRWA

....

If the UN gets together to build a dock I'm pretty sure the result of that will be Gaza flipping over like Guam.

Posted by: TexasDan at May 20, 2024 05:39 PM (z/ifB)

284 And today's stupid take from the MSNBC or football players speech with commentary provided by some woman law professor at U of Michigan:

A commencement speech at conservative Catholic Benedictine College by football kicker Harrison Butker resonated nationally as its anti-diversity, anti-LGBTQ, traditional roles for women themes are seen as encroaching on public life for Americans who in large proportion do not support religion-based rollbacks of social progress.

Uhhh, yeah, because Butker and every other religiously conservative Christian wants to force every woman into the Christian version of a hijab and force them to have many children. Uhh huh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2024 05:39 PM (XkYcA)

285 266 Pope Frankie:
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"We are all fundamentally good. Yes, there are some rogues and sinners, but the heart itself is good,"
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Leave me out of this, Frank. Speak up if you need me because I'm not standing close to you, either.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

It takes but a few seconds to find multiple Bible verses disputing this.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at May 20, 2024 05:39 PM (sAmhv)

286 Pope Frankie:
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"We are all fundamentally good. Yes, there are some rogues and sinners, but the heart itself is good,"
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So that Original Sin doctrine is right out, then?

And Rousseau (/spit) is in now?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 05:40 PM (YqDXo)

287 If we are all fundamentally good, why the heck do we need a Pope?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 20, 2024 05:40 PM (MeG8a)

288 Also, considering the hysterics being had about Jan 6, what do you suppose the media would say about him refusing to appear in court? And what possible state could he trust? DeSantis let the feds toss Melania's panty drawer.
Posted by: Just Lily at May 20, 2024 05:09 PM (0U9CA)

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I thought that was DeSantis' greatest failure. Would he have made objections if it was anyone but Trump? If yes then he is no better than any of the DC swamp creatures.

Posted by: Decaf at May 20, 2024 05:40 PM (unUNN)

289 nood

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 20, 2024 05:40 PM (ZdexC)

290 >>>>>If Trump gets convicted which I agree is likely the case will be appealed and it's pretty hard to see how this doesn't get overturned. That can't be good for a lawyer even in NYC.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2024 05:33 PM (LkLld)
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I agree. Based on the actions of the so called “judge” alone it should be overturned. But the point here is to get him convicted. Some of the jury 1. Probably hate Trump; 2. Are scared of being doxxed: and 3. See this as a career opportunity. On principle you are correct, reality may be different, sadly.

Posted by: Ragland (Rags) T. Tiger at May 20, 2024 05:41 PM (Hcx5A)

291 And today's stupid take from the MSNBC or football players speech with commentary provided by some woman law professor
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Stop right there.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 05:41 PM (YqDXo)

292 Trump is guilty of being Trump. I don't think they need much more than that.

Posted by: fd at May 20, 2024 05:42 PM (vFG9F)

293 >>> 253 Fake Pope Frankie:
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"We are all fundamentally good. Yes, there are some rogues and sinners, but the heart itself is good,"
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Not. Biblical. a. tall.
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2024 05:24 PM (krQz2)

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 20, 2024 05:42 PM (llON8)

294 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2024 05:41 PM (YqDXo)

I woudn't assume all women law professors are stupid and leftist, nor would I assume that all of the leftist male law professors are any more reasonable.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2024 05:43 PM (XkYcA)

295
Merchan also said, "You don't give me a side eye and you don't roll your eyes."
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I do not roll my eyes at you but I do roll my eyes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2024 05:52 PM (63Dwl)

296 But there are 2 lawyers on the jury and it is going to be interesting to see what they do.

Be a shame if anything happened to your law licenses
State of NY

Posted by: steevy at May 20, 2024 05:24 PM (FQmDC)

Both lawyers live in Chelsea.

They're ultra-rich NY lawyers living in Chelsea. They are radical leftists.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at May 20, 2024 06:01 PM (/nCD+)

297 Pope Frankie Goes to Hollywood is very steeped in the Jesuit tradition when he speaks jizzyouetically.

Posted by: logprof at May 20, 2024 06:07 PM (9NH9n)

298 If Trump gets convicted which I agree is likely the case will be appealed and it's pretty hard to see how this doesn't get overturned. That can't be good for a lawyer even in NYC.

You're doing the thing again. Where you insist that - at some point - the rules will be obeyed and observed.

We're playing CalvinBall bud. Will to power.

Posted by: Its Always Been This Way at May 20, 2024 06:07 PM (pTv5j)

299 Late to the party, but this whole farcical trial reminds me of the late slimeball Lyndon Johnson, who told his minions to accuse one of his political opponents of being a "pig-fucker."

"But boss," they stammered, "he doesn't fuck pigs!"

"I know he doesn't!" said LBJ. "I just want to hear the bastard deny it!"

Posted by: Beverly at May 20, 2024 06:48 PM (Epeb0)

300 PPS: Chelsea, in Manhattan, is as gay as P'town, Mass.

The two lawyers are very probably gay.

Posted by: Beverly at May 20, 2024 07:00 PM (Epeb0)

301 Am I to believe that a witness is getting a pass on prosecution for stealing from the person they are testifying against. This is fu#%$^ing clown world.

Posted by: babybackribsrule at May 20, 2024 09:44 PM (SMJWP)

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