What Is Causing the Great Withering of Humankind?

The human species is electing for voluntary self-extinction, just like the anti-human left demands.

Fertility rates have fallen way below replacement level throughout the entire industrialized world, and this is starting to cause major problems all over the globe. Aging populations are counting on younger generations to take care of them as they get older, but younger generations are not nearly large enough to accomplish that task. Meanwhile, there aren't enough qualified young workers in many fields to replace the expertise of older workers that are now retiring. Sadly, this is just the beginning. As I discuss in my new book entitled "Chaos", if fertility rates continue to drop we could potentially be facing an unprecedented global population collapse in the decades ahead. This has become so evident that even the mainstream media is starting to do stories about this. In fact, an economist that was just interviewed by the Wall Street Journal is warning that "demographic winter is coming"...

Fertility is falling almost everywhere, for women across all levels of income, education and labor-force participation. The falling birthrates come with huge implications for the way people live, how economies grow and the standings of the world's superpowers.
In high-income nations, fertility fell below replacement in the 1970s, and took a leg down during the pandemic. It's dropping in developing countries, too. India surpassed China as the most populous country last year, yet its fertility is now below replacement.
"The demographic winter is coming," said Jesús Fernández-Villaverde, an economist specializing in demographics at the University of Pennsylvania.
Here in the United States, if we want to maintain a stable population we need the fertility rate to be at 2.1 or above.
Unfortunately, our fertility rate dropped to just 1.62 last year, which was an all-time record low...

In the U.S., a short-lived pandemic baby boomlet has reversed. The total fertility rate fell to 1.62 last year, according to provisional government figures, the lowest on record.
Had fertility stayed near 2.1, where it stood in 2007, the U.S. would have welcomed an estimated 10.6 million more babies since, according to Kenneth Johnson, senior demographer at the University of New Hampshire.
Our native-born population has been in decline for quite some time.
The only reason why the U.S. population as a whole has not been shrinking is because of the tremendous amount of immigration that has been happening.
But even though it is not shrinking, the U.S. population has been rapidly getting older, and it is being projected that just six years from now seniors will actually outnumber children for the first time in our entire history...

He recounts various other grim milestones of human decline, and then asks what's causing this.

As I have warned my readers for many years, sperm counts have dropped to catastrophically low levels all over the planet.
If sperm counts continue to decline at the rate they have been, eventually most males will be infertile.
Infertility is also at frightening levels among our young women. I am sure that most of you know couples that desperately want to have children but have been unable to do so.
Meanwhile, our culture has become rabidly anti-child and rabidly anti-family, and as a result there are vast hordes of young people that have decided that they never want to be parents.
...
Humanity has become incredibly selfish and self-centered, and as a result we have stopped caring about the future.
All throughout human history, successful societies have always greatly valued marriage, family and children.
But now we have embraced "new values", and we are rapidly destroying the bright future that we could have had.

Coincidentally, my friend Dave Reaboi suggested the video linked below, which may offer insight into what's going on with the human population.

An ethnologist named John Calhoun sought to study the effects of "utopia" on rodents -- from 1958 to 1962, he experimented on rats, and then from 1968 to 1972 he experimented on rats. These were long experiments, charting the rise and fall of populations over many generations.

His "mouse utopia" (called "universe 25") had space for over three thousand mice, plenty of food for all, plenty of fresh water for all. The habitat was cleaned daily to make sure that the mice lived in clean and relative disease-free conditions. Obviously there were no predators.

The mouse colony increased rapidly in numbers -- at first. After Phase A, the introductory phase, the mice began doubling in population every 55 days in what Calhoun called Phase B.

In Phase C, the population growth slowed drastically, doubling every 315 days. Male mice grew frustrated at constant challenge from other male mice, and many gave up. Many females began living as hermits, nesting in high places and never interacting with other mice.

He also observed what he called "autistic" behavior in the mice. And this was before the word "autistic" was thrown around willy-nilly.

From his paper: He developed a term called "behavioral sink" to describe the fall of the mice.

Many [female rats] were unable to carry the pregnancy to full term or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth, fell short in their maternal functions. Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep. The social organization of the animals showed equal disruption.
The common source of these disturbances became most dramatically apparent in the populations of our first series of three experiments, in which we observed the development of what we called a behavioral sink. The animals would crowd together in greatest number in one of the four interconnecting pens in which the colony was maintained. As many as 60 of the 80 rats in each experimental population would assemble in one pen during periods of feeding. Individual rats would rarely eat except in the company of other rats. As a result extreme population densities developed in the pen adopted for eating, leaving the others with sparse populations.
In the experiments in which the behavioral sink developed, infant mortality ran as high as 96 percent among the most disoriented groups in the population.

In Phase D, which Calhoun called "the Death Phase," more and more mice began becoming asexual or homosexual. Fertility dropped even among the mice who were still interested in sex. There was much more violence among the mice, including cannibalism and even females killing and eating their own young.

A strange phenomenon was observed in Phase D -- a new caste of male mice called "the beautiful ones" showed no interest in mating with females, and also no interest in fighting other males for the right to mate with females. He called them "the beautiful ones" because their only interest, apart from eating and sleeping, was grooming their own fur.

Some mice began antisocial super-predators -- attacking other mice, biting them and marking them and maiming those mice to make them physically identifiable as "outcasts."

Calhoun said the mice died two deaths -- first of their spirit, then their physical bodies withered.

Eventually all the mice died. He has various theories about why this happened. Maybe it was just a consequence of the stress of overpopulation. The mice's needs were all cared for, but maybe the stress of bumping into so many mice throughout the day changed their behavior.

This was certainly the conclusion seized upon by Malthusians in the 1970s, who began demanding population control to keep the earth from going the way of "universe 25."

Calhoun also speculated that young mice were born into a world in which all the usual social functions (leadership, second-in-command, etc.) were all occupied and, having no place to aspire to in the hierarchy, either checked out of "mouse society" altogether, or else became aggressively antisocial mice.

Another possibility, discussed by the video below, is that external pressures force a pattern of behavior that humans have wound up calling "morality" on a population, and when those pressures are removed, and this pattern of behavior called "morality" is no longer a useful survival skill, a population sinks into degeneracy, conflict, and self-imposed extinction.

Alarming stuff. It's pretty hard not to read that and think, "Oh, we're in Phase C and running fast towards Phase Death."

You know I'm always looking to blame crap on the internet. I'm going to offer my own speculation that while we have not hit (outside of major cities) levels of overpopulation that would case mass insanity, we have created virtual overpopulation via the internet.

In universe 25, the mice had all the food and water they wanted. They even had enough space for over 3000 mice (the population grew to only 2,200 before stagnation and then die-off). So while the mice had enough room to live, they may have been stressed by all the disagreeable interactions they had with so many mice in a day.

Most people, in their real lives, will only have negative interactions with people maybe 10 or 15 times a week. And those will mostly be with bosses and coworkers and family members. Rare will be confrontations with strangers.

But social media gives us the opportunity for 20 or 30 negative interactions with strangers per day.

So maybe humanity, while not in actual overpopulation mode, feels the stress of virtual overpopulation, and reacts like the mice in the "mouse utopia."

I guess that is the most optimistic assessment, because it suggests a relatively easy fix.

The video's pretty depressing so maybe save it for later and watch it Sunday evening. Mondays are always down days anyway.

Thanks to Dave Reaboi for that.

If you want to know more, search "mouse utopia" or "universe 25." There's a lot of stuff about it.

With most real external stresses relieved by relative prosperity and relative security (though a little diminished since the Summer of Love), do people search for new stresses?

Without natural predators to occupy their time, do people go searching for human prey?

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— The Free Press (@TheFP) May 10, 2024

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 05:30 PM

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1 Wow, this is a fascinating post. Bookmarking for later

Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at May 24, 2024 05:32 PM (mvbBv)

2 Well, as one of P.G. Wodehouse's characters once said, maybe man isn't actually God's last word on the subject.

Posted by: Paco at May 24, 2024 05:32 PM (njExo)

3 OMG. It's the fluoride, isn't it?

Posted by: Paco at May 24, 2024 05:34 PM (njExo)

4 I bet the fertility rate decline also tracks nicely with the decline in religious belief.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 24, 2024 05:34 PM (Dm8we)

5 Hi there!

Posted by: Israel! at May 24, 2024 05:35 PM (uxCna)

6 We're devolving because we suck.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 24, 2024 05:35 PM (Q4IgG)

7 Also hi!

Posted by: Africa! at May 24, 2024 05:36 PM (uxCna)

8 Pumping people with unnatural additives maybe.
The Fake Vax has been thought to lower sex drive

Posted by: Skip at May 24, 2024 05:36 PM (fwDg9)

9 Don't forget us!

Posted by: Afghanistan! at May 24, 2024 05:37 PM (uxCna)

10 "Aging populations are counting on younger generations to take care of them as they get older"

Actually, no, I'm not.

I don't think these kids can competently wipe their own asses, let alone mine.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free State of Florida at May 24, 2024 05:37 PM (MkuC5)

11 Two of My Sisters grand sons are getting married this year and neither of them plan to have Children...It's coming mostly from their potential Brides... Now it could change but probably not....

Posted by: It's me donna at May 24, 2024 05:37 PM (Akjoo)

12 The real question is "Is the Maus Haus feeling any pressure?"

Only Bob Iger knows for sure.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 24, 2024 05:37 PM (a3Q+t)

13 We need to reach Mars, and then reach the stars.

Otherwise, this (or some other critical bottleneck) is going to wipe us out!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 24, 2024 05:37 PM (HlyYF)

14 Clearly we're not overpopulating overall. But maybe we should check the balance between urban and rural populations. Maybe a critical population density is being reached in cities. And unpopulated fruited plains do very little for the welfare of millions of city people who never venture past city limits.

Posted by: cpurick at May 24, 2024 05:38 PM (lNjg1)

15 I wonder if the recent findings that microplastics are found in all testicles, breast milk, and placentas has anything to do with the decline in testosterone, sexual interest, etc.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 24, 2024 05:38 PM (Odg76)

16 Humans are the beta test.

Posted by: Marcus Gravey at May 24, 2024 05:38 PM (TIizU)

17 In Phase C, the population growth slowed drastically, doubling every 315 days. Male mice grew frustrated at constant challenge from other male mice, and many gave up.

Those mice began spending most of their time in their mom's basement, eating mouse Doritos and tapping away on tiny mouse keyboards at all hours of the day and night.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 24, 2024 05:38 PM (guGkK)

18 The human species is electing for voluntary self-extinction, just like the anti-human left demands.
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Fermi Paradox solved.

Posted by: Methos at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM (Dnobf)

19 So it sounds like a good idea to cut down on internet use.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM (lkI+W)

20 This has been noticed already for many years. When your population becomes educated, the fertility rate drops. Educated men and women do not want too many children.

Look at the French in the 19th Century.

The only folks making babies now are: Muslims, Traditional Catholics, and Mormons.

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM (VuZH8)

21 "Could it be ... Satan?!?!?!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Future Secretary of Retribution candidate at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM (4LUKI)

22 Good news!

The more childless women, the better!

Posted by: The Democratic Party! at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM (uxCna)

23 It can't possibly be that Christians had a point about widespread birth control and abortion, can it?

Posted by: ... at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM (lX8VI)

24 4 I bet the fertility rate decline also tracks nicely with the decline in religious belief.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 24, 2024 05:34 PM

Excellent theory.

The Muslim birth rate remains very high.

The Catholic birth rate in the U.S. is certainly much higher than the median for country and much higher than the Ivy-eductated atheists.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM (HlyYF)

25 A Death Cult, if you can keep it ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Future Secretary of Retribution candidate at May 24, 2024 05:40 PM (4LUKI)

26 21 "Could it be ... Satan?!?!?!"
Posted by: ShainS -- Future Secretary of Retribution candidate at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM (4LUKI)

Nah......

No way.............

Posted by: Satan at May 24, 2024 05:40 PM (MkuC5)

27 Israel!

In Israel's case, it's a big FU to the rest of the Middle East, and to the rest of the world at large.

Posted by: The Democratic Party! at May 24, 2024 05:41 PM (uxCna)

28 My brother married an evil woman. No kids.

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 05:42 PM (VuZH8)

29 "Could it be ... Satan?!?!?!"
Posted by: ShainS -- Future Secretary of Retribution candidate at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM

* Now exiting the chat *

Posted by: Big Penguin at May 24, 2024 05:42 PM (a3Q+t)

30 If sperm counts continue to decline at the rate they have been, eventually most males will be infertile.

Infertility is also at frightening levels among our young women. I am sure that most of you know couples that desperately want to have children but have been unable to do so.
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If it's affecting everyone, it's something everyone (effectively) is doing or subjected to. Probably not flouride specifically, but something like that.

Posted by: Methos at May 24, 2024 05:43 PM (Dnobf)

31 Excellent post, Ace. Very interesting read.

Posted by: scampydog at May 24, 2024 05:43 PM (2bFN5)

32 The Catholic Birth rate is not as high as it used to be. Birth control is the open secret of Catholics in America.

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 05:43 PM (VuZH8)

33 It WOULD be utopia if that mouthy bitch Minnie would lay off my ass once in a while so I could just enjoy a nice spliff without her crankin' my tail every ten minutes.

Posted by: Mickey Mouse at May 24, 2024 05:44 PM (guGkK)

34 Looks like it's up to Elon Musk to seed the world.

Posted by: DaisyB at May 24, 2024 05:44 PM (AbL8c)

35 Calhoun's study was a bit more complicated by the fact that he tried a number of different designs.
The Original one was just an area fenced off in the woods, where the mouse population stayed stable, which is what he used as a standardization metric, and the others were set up with varying ability to access water and food indoors.
The access was restricted in all the "utopias" and had varying bottlenecks that could be controlled by groups of mice. The stress of having to run that gantlet varied, and the results seemed to vary as well.

There were some arguments later that mice do tend to genetically vary, and massively overproduce because in essence mice are prey animals, with the predation on slow and damaged individuals making the fit and agile ones not eaten so much. AFAIK there is no study that looks at possible genetic drift for the mice, though there is the need to explain why the forest enclosure did not have a corresponding crash. There has been a history of boom and busts in Australia where mice have no natural predators, but even there, the Aussies are just happy to have them go away.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2024 05:45 PM (D7oie)

36 Look at the French in the 19th Century.

They stink on ice.

Posted by: Napoleon III at May 24, 2024 05:45 PM (guGkK)

37 Fascinating theory. As a city-dweller my entire life it certainly resonates

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 24, 2024 05:45 PM (RIvkX)

38 The Muslim birth rate remains very high.{/i]

In some places.

In Iran it's 1.7, Turkey 1.9, Bangladesh 1.9.

In Israel it's 2.9.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 24, 2024 05:45 PM (uxCna)

39 Many women wait until their 30s to settle down and have children. My niece has not been able. My wife's best friend also was unsuccessful.

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 05:45 PM (VuZH8)

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 24, 2024 05:46 PM (uxCna)

41
Neighbor woman had four children before the vax. One miscarriage since. Divorce on the horizon.

But Fauci still walks a free man.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 24, 2024 05:46 PM (RKVpM)

42 Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM (VuZH

I think that Orthodox Jews are having children as well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 24, 2024 05:46 PM (lkI+W)

43 When your population becomes educated, the fertility rate drops. Educated men and women do not want too many children.
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Educating themselves out of existence.

Posted by: DaisyB at May 24, 2024 05:47 PM (AbL8c)

44 I was gonna do my part to keep the human race going but I have gazed upon the sea of AWFLs and decided not to leap

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at May 24, 2024 05:47 PM (VTu1l)

45 The theory seems to discount the economic pressures that impair family formation, marriage penalty and tax policy, inflation, regulation, etc.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 24, 2024 05:47 PM (RIvkX)

46 Too a large extent, this is due to abortion.

According to numbers from the CDC every year from 1973 to 1998, there was 1 reported abortion for every 3 live births.
That's a 25% kill rate, without abortion fertility would be at 2.1 (1.62/3 + 1.62=2.16)
In 2020, the ratio was 1 reported abortion for every 5 live births
That's a 16.7% kill rate - BUT, some areas no longer report abortions but do report births, chemically induced abortions were introduced in 1998, and plan B became available in 2000.
So we don't know the overall kill rate, but it's probably still around 25% between abortion and Plan B.

Posted by: you're in hell the world ended at May 24, 2024 05:47 PM (y7veS)

47 I'll settle down when I'm 35.

Posted by: Big-City Females! at May 24, 2024 05:48 PM (uxCna)

48 This seems like a good place to announce my new theme park, a revolution in long-term-living adventures called "Universe 26".

Posted by: moviegique at May 24, 2024 05:48 PM (asXVI)

49 I blame chicks with face piercings.

Posted by: wth at May 24, 2024 05:48 PM (v0R5T)

50 @18

>>The human species is electing for voluntary self-extinction, just like the anti-human left demands.

Well, not the entire human species, just the Anglosphere.

Africa, Asia and SA will be just fine and revert back to historical norms.

Eurocentric Modernity, will be just a blip, in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 24, 2024 05:49 PM (XV/Pl)

51 Malthus' main premise was that meddling in population was worse than useless, in taking away the limiting factors without increasing the ability to supply other needs will merely find a new limiting factor which society did not have practice in dealing with.
He also stressed that increasing the purchasing power by reallocating wealth from the rich to the poor would only raise demand without raising supplies, and thus create inflation of prices, that would price the poor out again from the market, as well as the marginally wealthy who were able to make it without the inflation but who would be priced out with the raised prices.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2024 05:49 PM (D7oie)

52 The left: Also, lets fagity and butchify all our younger generation! DIVERSITY!

Also the left: why is no one able to procreate?

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at May 24, 2024 05:49 PM (VTu1l)

53
It's the kitchen microwave, and wi-fi.

Posted by: Frank Barone at May 24, 2024 05:50 PM (+oR7L)

54 As I discuss in my new book entitled "Chaos", if fertility rates continue to drop we could potentially be facing an unprecedented global population collapse in the decades ahead.

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See Mark Steyn and his 2006 book "America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It."

[He'd probably now change the title to "America Too."]

Posted by: ShainS -- Future Secretary of Retribution candidate at May 24, 2024 05:50 PM (4LUKI)

55 If you read PD James' Children of Men (not the crap movie with Clive Owen) this mouse study looks like the society that she drew in her book. The narcissism of society, the lack of self-sacrifice, the desire for self-perfection and the intolerance of those perceived as unlovely. It becomes a society obsessed with death in its despair. And how does the dystopia end? A disfigured woman with genuine faith and a protagonist who breaks free of his self-centeredness to self-sacrifice.

And yes, it does feel a bit apocalyptic these days and the only cure for despair is the Hope of Nations, Jesus.

Posted by: tms at May 24, 2024 05:51 PM (9J8l/)

56 Enjoy the long weekend.

Posted by: scampydog at May 24, 2024 05:51 PM (2bFN5)

57 Malthus was such a Negative Nelly.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 24, 2024 05:51 PM (guGkK)

58 Back in the 50s and 60s everyone thought that mankind would exterminate itself with Nuclear weapons. In the 70s humanity was going to go extinct because of global famine, acid rain and chemicals poisoning everything we touched, drank or ate.

Who would have thought it would be the queers pushing us to the brink of extinction.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 24, 2024 05:51 PM (QNSds)

59 > Birth control is the open secret of Catholics in America.

I dated a very nice Catholic woman before I married my wife. One time I jokingly said the Vatican was against some trivial thing we were discussing. She immediately responded, "The Vatican is against everything."

I took the point that if you're a hardliner on everything, even your close supporters are going to pick and choose what tenets they follow.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 24, 2024 05:51 PM (Odg76)

60 All throughout human history, successful societies have always greatly valued marriage, family and children.

———-

Maybe but our society mostly produces crap marriages. I pin it on sexual egalitarianism.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 24, 2024 05:52 PM (CTxfw)

61 It would be interesting to see a replacement birth rate comparing conservatives to liberals. The abortion industry has assured that AWFLs and the black population are kept in check. Perhaps in the decades to follow only conservatives will reproduce. I have two very conservative Christian (married) daughters and one has 8 children and the other has 5. We are doing our part.

Posted by: esteve at May 24, 2024 05:53 PM (weH2K)

62 I think that Orthodox Jews are having children as well.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Indeed.

If you ever have the chance, go to Mass at St. Joan of Arc Catholic Church in Post Falls, Idaho. It's an FSSP Latin Mass only parish. Holy moley. All the families with children and more on the way. Cheers my heart just thinking about it.

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 05:53 PM (VuZH8)

63 When your population becomes educated, the fertility rate drops. Educated men and women do not want too many children.
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Define educated.

Posted by: ... at May 24, 2024 05:54 PM (lX8VI)

64 Thought provoking post ace - thank you. I think there is merit to your thoughts on excessive negative (or even just total) interactions available online.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 24, 2024 05:54 PM (S5+ge)

65 Look at the French in the 19th Century.

I'm doing this from memory, but in 1812, metropolitan France had about 30 million people, as did the Russian Empire.

In the following century, metropolitan France grew from 30 to 40 million, but the Russian Empire grew from 30 to 170 million people, despite substantial emigration from places like Poland.

During that time, the average Russian woman had 7.5 kids.

Posted by: Big-City Females! at May 24, 2024 05:54 PM (uxCna)

66 Read the Bible Acester. Pretty simple.

Posted by: MikeN at May 24, 2024 05:54 PM (7V3en)

67
I took the point that if you're a hardliner on everything, even your close supporters are going to pick and choose what tenets they follow.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 24, 2024 05:51 PM

A phrase I proposed many many decades ago is 'conditional morality'. I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 24, 2024 05:54 PM (RKVpM)

68 47 I'll settle down when I'm 35.
Posted by: Big-City Females!
______

I'll be waiting for you.

Posted by: The Wall at May 24, 2024 05:55 PM (VXRhG)

69 Gay marriage and the tranny virus should fix everything.

Posted by: ... at May 24, 2024 05:55 PM (lX8VI)

70 My sister told me that she did not have children because she and her husband were worried about "the bomb."

Yikes.

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 05:55 PM (VuZH8)

71 I have 2 daughters, 31 & 33, successful and generally conservative though not religious. Neither want to have children, not for selfish reasons, but because they don't want to inflict what society has become on kids.

Posted by: TC at May 24, 2024 05:56 PM (cHOHf)

72 So, who is having more kids now? Ukraine or Russia?

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 05:56 PM (VuZH8)

73 I took the point that if you're a hardliner on everything, even your close supporters are going to pick and choose what tenets they follow.

It's a little weird to argue that it's OK to avoid kids by tracking the woman's fertility cycle, but not OK to use other means to accomplish the same goal.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 24, 2024 05:57 PM (uxCna)

74 I may be unscientific but I don’t tend to give much credence to the idea that mouse sociology (if that even exists…. They’re animals so it’s biology not sociology) tells us anything at all about human sociology. I have a spiritual worldview…. Human behavior is all about our relationship (or lack thereof) with God Almighty. As the good Lord says in Luke’s gospel:

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

And of course in another place Jesus said: Who is good but God alone? (rhetorical question)…. Societies thrive when they seek God and they shrivel and die when they don’t….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 24, 2024 05:57 PM (xT8gx)

75 ***there aren't enough qualified young workers in many fields to replace the expertise of older workers that are now retiring.***
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Notice to Zoomers and Zippers, Boomers are leaving the building.
Rejoice while you can.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (Iynsv)

76 So, the Soylent Green scenario is not in play, I take it?

Posted by: John Drake Nearing the Caspian Sea at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (u/Zei)

77 Define educated.

College educations

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (VuZH8)

78 Finally some good news posted here. Best thing that can happen to the planet is human extinction. 👍

Posted by: Sid at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (qrNXh)

79 Use this simple trick to prevent people ghosting you.

http://tiny.cc/2cp7yz

Posted by: bonhomme at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (Odg76)

80 He recounts various other grim milestones of human decline, and then asks what's causing this.

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In 2006, Steyn identified three primary causes:
. demographic decline;
. unsustainability of the advanced Western "social democratic" state;
. and exhaustion of civilization (including other internal weaknesses like Muslim population growth).

A lot sure has changed (read gotten a hell of a lot worse here at home anyway) over the past two years owing to DogEater and F. Joe Mugabe ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Future Secretary of Retribution candidate at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (4LUKI)

81 Posted by: Sid at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (qrNXh)

You first

Posted by: It's me donna at May 24, 2024 05:59 PM (Akjoo)

82 " So, the Soylent Green scenario is not in play, I take it?"

Why do you think that?

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 05:59 PM (VuZH8)

83 During that time, the average Russian woman had 7.5 kids.
Posted by: Big-City Females! at May 24, 2024 05:54 PM (uxCna)

There was a massive turn around in Russian agriculture in the 19th century that had to do with giving serfs control over their own fields, and reduction and rationalization the power the nobility had over the assignment of fields and labor. The result was that the peasants had a chance to farm for themselves, be successful, have some movement into the middle class economically, and have access to what we call the petite bourgeoisie, in education, and trades. It was the time of the rise of the Kulak when being so meant you had a lot of fat kids who had a future.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2024 05:59 PM (D7oie)

84 So, who is having more kids now? Ukraine or Russia?

Russia 1.5, Ukraine 1.3. The birth rate among the 20% non-Russian portion of the Russian Federation is probably higher, so among Slavs the birth rates are probably equivalent.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 24, 2024 06:00 PM (uxCna)

85 If you read PD James' Children of Men (not the crap movie with Clive Owen) this mouse study looks like the society that she drew in her book

I had the same thought. I recommend her books, that one as well, although it is different than most of her books.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 24, 2024 06:00 PM (S5+ge)

86 My sister told me that she did not have children because she and her husband were worried about "the bomb."

Did they eat a lotta beans ?

Posted by: JT at May 24, 2024 06:00 PM (T4tVD)

87 I'll be waiting for you. Posted by: The Wall

************

I saw a post wall 40-ish woman bragging on YouTube on getting married and continuing to be her feminist man hating narcissistic self

Assuming it's true, goddamned fucking simps again

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at May 24, 2024 06:00 PM (VTu1l)

88 Posted by: Sid at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (qrNXh)

Satan and his demons have entered the chat.

Posted by: Methos at May 24, 2024 06:00 PM (Dnobf)

89 Calhoun also speculated that young mice were born into a world in which all the usual social functions (leadership, second-in-command, etc.) were all occupied and, having no place to aspire to in the hierarchy, either checked out of "mouse society" altogether, or else became aggressively antisocial mice.
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This has been observed in human societies for a few decades.

Large numbers of over-educated individuals with demands and expectations, but for whom there is no productive role in society or economy.

Posted by: Miklos looks at history every day at May 24, 2024 06:00 PM (wWqRd)

90 Beautiful mice, beautiful people...

https://youtu.be/Ypkv0HeUvTc?si=Z53LY3-VJK0eFef0

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at May 24, 2024 06:01 PM (VGRuw)

91 Had fertility stayed near 2.1, where it stood in 2007, the U.S. would have welcomed an estimated 10.6 million more babies since, according to Kenneth Johnson, senior demographer at the University of New Hampshire.

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Does that include the estimated 5 million that would have been murdered in the womb?

/only half-hyperbolic

Posted by: ShainS -- Future Secretary of Retribution candidate at May 24, 2024 06:01 PM (4LUKI)

92 Does this mean we old farts will be compelled to knock up the young ladies, because the young soyboys don't know how?

Posted by: Eeyore at May 24, 2024 06:01 PM (1bNHn)

93 I forgot, the renovation of Russian ag also meant there was much more food produced, which meant much more kids/

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2024 06:01 PM (D7oie)

94
Posted by: Sid at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (qrNXh)

You first

Posted by: It's me donna at May 24, 2024 05:59 PM

Beat me to it. Although I do want Sid to buy a house first. Something that Biden has made impossible for Sid and tens of millions of our youth.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 24, 2024 06:01 PM (RKVpM)

95 [He'd probably now change the title to "America Too."]
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Actually, he made a sequel, "After America".

Posted by: moviegique at May 24, 2024 06:01 PM (asXVI)

96 (***Fertility is falling almost everywhere,***

Except Gaza where it is increasing.

Adversity brings babies.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 24, 2024 06:02 PM (Iynsv)

97 If you read PD James' Children of Men...

LOL The book is great and movie is crap because they perverted the story.

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 06:02 PM (VuZH8)

98 @80

>>A lot sure has changed (read gotten a hell of a lot worse here at home anyway) over the past two years owing to DogEater and F. Joe Mugabe

Actually, The SCOAMF was simply the sh*t Cherry on Top of The Sh*t Sundae concocted by the twins of disaster Billy Jeff and The Shrub.

The nation died in 2012, what we have been living through is a series of dead cat bounces on our journey to oblivion.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 24, 2024 06:02 PM (XV/Pl)

99 >>>So, the Soylent Green scenario is not in play, I take it?

Uh....

Posted by: Haiti at May 24, 2024 06:03 PM (CwhoI)

100 Does this mean we old farts will be compelled to knock up the young ladies, because the young soyboys don't know how?

**************************

As long as we all kick the bucket before child support is owed Im game

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at May 24, 2024 06:03 PM (VTu1l)

101 I forgot, the renovation of Russian ag also meant there was much more food produced, which meant much more kids

Yeah, the women were having 7.5 kids, while the Russian Empire was still exporting huge amounts of food.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 24, 2024 06:04 PM (uxCna)

102 When my sister wrote that, I thought "What a liar. She and Chuck just wanted to fornicate and not have children."

Posted by: No one of any consequence. at May 24, 2024 06:04 PM (VuZH8)

103 Does this mean we old farts will be compelled to knock up the young ladies, because the young soyboys don't know how?
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I wonder how fast the switch will go from "Abortiion is a sacrament" to "We'll pay you $100,000 each for every child born."?

Posted by: Methos at May 24, 2024 06:04 PM (Dnobf)

104 LOL The book is great and movie is crap because they perverted the story.
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It's okay as a movie experience but it doesn't make a lick of sense.

https://moviegique.com/2009/02/reprint-children-of-men/

Posted by: moviegique at May 24, 2024 06:04 PM (asXVI)

105 What type of Satanic bilge is Sid up to?

Posted by: Northernlurker at May 24, 2024 06:05 PM (JLq/1)

106 21 "Could it be ... Satan?!?!?!"
Posted by: ShainS -- Future Secretary of Retribution candidate at May 24, 2024 05:39 PM
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This, but unironically

Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at May 24, 2024 06:05 PM (0Uf+z)

107 I wonder how fast the switch will go from "Abortiion is a sacrament" to "We'll pay you $100,000 each for every child born."?
Posted by: Methos at May 24, 2024 06:04 PM (Dnobf)

Why do you think they imported 10 million "newcomers. "

Posted by: It's me donna at May 24, 2024 06:05 PM (Akjoo)

108 And, speaking of "changes to the original story", Soylent Green was made out of...SOY and LENTils. The movie thought it'd be punchier to change the recipe, and now the damn title makes no sense.

Posted by: moviegique at May 24, 2024 06:05 PM (asXVI)

109 Why do you think they imported 10 million "newcomers. "
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votes

Posted by: moviegique at May 24, 2024 06:06 PM (asXVI)

110 I recall seeing a Camille Paglia interview with a foreign tv show years ago, and she said a society going trans/going crazy with gender is a repeated sign that it’s about to die. She said you needed the gender roles, you needed each one passing down traits to the next generation for stability, that destroying this communal behavior kills the community.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:06 PM (Hkcdp)

111 It's a little weird to argue that it's OK to avoid kids by tracking the woman's fertility cycle, but not OK to use other means to accomplish the same goal.

I disagree. Tracking a cycle is completely natural as opposed to dosing with hormones. I suppose you could make a case for condoms but, personally I think sex should be understood as something important with meaning, not undertaken without commitment to the other person involved and open to the possibility of the creation of a new life.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 24, 2024 06:06 PM (S5+ge)

112
My leftist sister said she could never bring a child into a world as fvcked up as this. So Uncle Sugar is her husband, instead of a caring son or daughter.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 24, 2024 06:07 PM (RKVpM)

113 " Hindus have the highest peak fertility. About 80% of Hindus in their early 40s have children, with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints not far behind. However, it’s notable that peak fertility fo--Latter-day Saints -- widely known as Mormons -- is about five years earlier than it is for Hindus. Protestants and Catholics both have a very similar pattern to each other: The peak age for having children is about 40 years old, with about 60% of both traditions being parents at this age.

Those that lag behind are worth considering as well. The group that is the least likely to have children are atheists and agnostics. They hit peak fertility around 42 years old, when about 40% of them have children. It’s noteworthy that, according to this data, potentially half of atheists and agnostics never reproduce. Thus, for these groups to grow, they have to rely on conversion more than retention."

https://tinyurl.com/3tfeh86b

links has other charts

Posted by: illiniwek at May 24, 2024 06:07 PM (Cus5s)

114 We'll have Universe 25 in our 15 Minute Cities.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 24, 2024 06:07 PM (63Dwl)

115 How about girls going on the pull in teens and remain on it for years and years, thinking they can just turn on fertility in their mid to late 30’s like a switch?

Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:08 PM (Hkcdp)

116 " So, the Soylent Green scenario is not in play, I take it?"

Why do you think that?
Posted by: No one of any consequence

Decline in replacement population plus lack of Charlton Heston.

Posted by: John Drake Nearing the Caspian Sea at May 24, 2024 06:08 PM (u/Zei)

117 Prime Minister Sunak gave a speech in the rain. He got soaked. After all, why would the PM of England expect rain in London in May?

Rishi Sunak is melting in the dark
All the sweet, green party melting down
Someone left the PM in the rain
I don't think that I can take it
'Cause it took so long to bake it
And I'll never have that recipe again
Oh no!

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2024 06:08 PM (D7oie)

118 Cheese Party!

Posted by: DaveA at May 24, 2024 06:09 PM (FhXTo)

119 Most species have things... parasites, war, whatever that knock them down a couple notices.

So.....

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 24, 2024 06:09 PM (Q4IgG)

120 >>>Had fertility stayed near 2.1, where it stood in 2007, the U.S. would have welcomed an estimated 10.6 million more babies since, according to Kenneth Johnson, senior demographer at the University of New Hampshire.

Wilt Chamberlain couldn't live forever, you know.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 24, 2024 06:09 PM (CwhoI)

121 "Without natural predators to occupy their time, do people go searching for human prey?"

Nah. They MAKE UP threats, like Donald Trump, fascist dictator.

Posted by: El Mariachi Attorney at Law at May 24, 2024 06:09 PM (nLFEI)

122 81 Posted by: Sid at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (qrNXh)

You first
Posted by: It's me donna at May 24, 2024 05:59 PM (Akjoo)

Seriously. What's it waiting for? Lots of ways to remove one's self from planet-destroying population. Just do it and STFU.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at May 24, 2024 06:09 PM (OX9vb)

123 121 Homes need to be even more expensive to keep people from owning such things. Homes are inefficient and spew carbon.
Posted by: Sid at May 24, 2024 06:09 PM (7U4AD)

Tyrants are ghey and spew bullsh!t.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free State of Florida at May 24, 2024 06:10 PM (MkuC5)

124 Yeah, the women were having 7.5 kids, while the Russian Empire was still exporting huge amounts of food.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 24, 2024 06:04 PM (uxCna)

Um. Yes?

You don't have 7.5 kids if you are starving. Remember when I said the best way to kill lots of people is to socialize and centralize ag? I meant it.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2024 06:11 PM (D7oie)

125 Now all I have running through my head is the PJW video with the dancing skeleton singing "No eggs, your egg carton is empty, you don't have any eggs."

Posted by: PabloD at May 24, 2024 06:11 PM (MOrAm)

126 I recall seeing a Camille Paglia interview with a foreign tv show years ago, and she said a society going trans/going crazy with gender is a repeated sign that it’s about to die. She said you needed the gender roles, you needed each one passing down traits to the next generation for stability, that destroying this communal behavior kills the community.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:06 PM (Hkcdp)

She'll vote for Biden. Trump said pussy.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at May 24, 2024 06:11 PM (2QA3G)

127 It's a little weird to argue that it's OK to avoid kids by tracking the woman's fertility cycle, but not OK to use other means to accomplish the same goal.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 24, 2024 05:57 PM (uxCna)

You don't think messing with women's hormones has maybe caused this sudden boom of gays - who don't procreate, almost like God/nature saying, "oh you don't want kids, here you go" - and fuck knows what else? Not the same as tracking a cycle.

Posted by: ... at May 24, 2024 06:11 PM (lX8VI)

128 No, we are NOT monkeys.

Evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell.

When people, who are created in the image of God, think they're no different from animals, it's not surprising that some will act and behave like animals.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 24, 2024 06:11 PM (ZabZM)

129 Weirdly, the Left derives sexual pleasure from the thought of the complete and total extermination of the human race.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 24, 2024 06:12 PM (BpYfr)

130 "There's plenty of time to have kids after I get my career established."

--Biggest feminist lie ever.

Posted by: Bigsmith at May 24, 2024 06:12 PM (Myp+m)

131 What's the fertility level among men and women who fought in the sandbox?

What's the paternal/maternal fertility rate among men and women who fought in the sandbox vs the general population?

Posted by: Braenyard at May 24, 2024 06:12 PM (Iynsv)

132 Yeah, the women were having 7.5 kids, while the Russian Empire was still exporting huge amounts of food.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 24, 2024 06:04 PM (uxCna)

Um. Yes?

You don't have 7.5 kids if you are starving. Remember when I said the best way to kill lots of people is to socialize and centralize ag? I meant it.
Posted by: Kindltot
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They did have a pretty bad famine in the 1890s.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 24, 2024 06:12 PM (Dm8we)

133 Think Camille Paglia died, so whoever votes in her name will vote Democrat…

Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:12 PM (Hkcdp)

134 Posted by: Sid at May 24, 2024 05:58 PM (qrNXh)

I think you're a sock, but even that was dumb.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 24, 2024 06:13 PM (XkYcA)

135 >>>Neither want to have children, not for selfish reasons, but because they don't want to inflict what society has become on kids.
Posted by: TC at May 24, 2024 05:56 PM (cHOHf)
*******
So selfish reasons, just not really selfish reasons right?

Posted by: Crusader Rabbit at May 24, 2024 06:14 PM (w097Y)

136 Just looked. Paglia still draws breath.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at May 24, 2024 06:14 PM (2QA3G)

137 I wonder how fast the switch will go from "Abortiion is a sacrament" to "We'll pay you $100,000 each for every child born."?
Posted by: Methos at May 24, 2024 06:04 PM (Dnobf)

Why do you think they imported 10 million "newcomers. "
Posted by: It's me donna

Yes, that's a part of the truth. And to replace the "deplorables" with a more malleable and controllable population.
The Left offers this: We'll lop off your kid's dick or her tits, and kill the babies in the womb. You'll eat bugs, and here's a vaccine that will really hurt a percentage of the population.
So yeah, is there a big PsyOp going on? My two sons are relatively healthy and vigorous. My youngest son at 27 has two kids. But my older son may never marry, which is weird (he's not repulsive in appearance, girls seem to like him).
There are friends of my wife whose kids (adults in their 20's) are really screwed up, and no, I don't think they will ever reproduce.
People are not mice, but in the gross tendencies of large societies, there is a lesson about what people will do and how they react when they feel "crowded out".

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at May 24, 2024 06:15 PM (tjZg/)

138 So you and your friend Reboi have six kids each?

Posted by: GOP sux at May 24, 2024 06:15 PM (Zzbjj)

139 No, we are NOT monkeys.

Evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell.

When people, who are created in the image of God, think they're no different from animals, it's not surprising that some will act and behave like animals.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 24, 2024 06:11 PM (ZabZM)

You ever see what they did to the science textbooks 100 years ago? They made drawings of black people in profile to "prove" they were closer to apes in profile. Both drawings were altered to make the case and "prove" their precious evolution.

The more you learn what the Left has buried of their own past - and present - the worse it really gets for them.

Posted by: ... at May 24, 2024 06:15 PM (lX8VI)

140 Decline in fertility corresponds perfectly with the popularity of quinoa, bok choy, and okra. It has been proved.

Posted by: Utility Muffin Research Kitchen at May 24, 2024 06:15 PM (V5BDR)

141 Agricultural communities are, maybe were, more likely to value additional help on the farm that came with additional children, not to mention having someone to look after one in old age.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 24, 2024 06:15 PM (S5+ge)

142 We are DEVO

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 24, 2024 06:15 PM (63Dwl)

143 Falling birth rates are associated with riding standards of living. People don't need children as their "social security system" as much today as they used to.

Posted by: mnw at May 24, 2024 06:16 PM (NLIak)

144 Teddy Roosevelt had a great quote I heard in college about what happens to mankind when decadence and lack of struggle occurs. I believe it was just before the Spanish/Am war he was quoted, but for life of me can't locate it. Was a long the lines of the essay quoted above. It's inevitable, mankind will cause its struggle at the very least from getting fat lazy and lethargic as a society, by allowing the worst of mankind to flourish.

Posted by: Son of Dad at May 24, 2024 06:16 PM (8JB5s)

145 Nature has it ways of controlling its species on earth. Almost like there is a guiding hand.

Posted by: javems at May 24, 2024 06:16 PM (nVCRf)

146 I think Harvey Danger sums it up rather well: "All the stupid people are breeding."

It's a nice catch phrase, but reflective of the truth to some extent. People who can not afford to have children are doing so with abandon. They are doing it based on living off of welfare (which, ironically, is paid into by those couples who choose not to reproduce because they don't think they can afford it or do it properly).

Posted by: Orson at May 24, 2024 06:16 PM (dIske)

147 When people, who are created in the image of God, think they're no different from animals, it's not surprising that some will act and behave like animals.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 24, 2024 06:11 PM (ZabZM)

SMH, anyone who claims there is no difference between man and animal is planning something nasty for anyone he can get under his power. However to claim that there is no similarity is to ignore what a houseful of cats or dogs can teach us about the world in general.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2024 06:16 PM (D7oie)

148 The thing about the pill is that it doesn’t just stop a woman’s menstrual cycle, it can cause depression and change the type of men they are attracted to.
So, crazier and attracted to more effeminate men does not help fertility rates, nor does the hookup culture it enables.

I don’t advocate eliminating the pill, but it has had a corrosive effect on women apart from stopping surprise pregnancies.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:16 PM (Hkcdp)

149 Hiya SMH !

Posted by: JT at May 24, 2024 06:16 PM (T4tVD)

150 I generally like Paglia as much as I could like any leftard. As close to an intellectually honest leftard as you'll get. She says she's for abortion. She says it's murder but she's for it. And that's gotta be something because the Left fucking despises her for it.

Posted by: ... at May 24, 2024 06:17 PM (lX8VI)

151 142 We are DEVO
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 24, 2024 06:15 PM (63Dwl)

They tell us that
We lost our tails
Evolving up
From little snails

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at May 24, 2024 06:17 PM (VGRuw)

152 So I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (historically known as Mormons) and I know the stereotypes are that we and the Catholics have huge families.

But the family sizes have been dropping, even in our faith. Now that I think about it, my siblings and in-laws are around 4-5 kids each, though I have two. But there are a lot of families who only have a couple of kids. Not as many that have ten or more like, say, 40 years ago. Still, I'd say it's the exception that a married family in the faith only has one kid. Either they have none or two or more. And usually the ones without any are that way due to medical.

The real trick is to get people married at all. Hence the Church is strongly pushing dating and now running "how to date" seminars, classes, and activities for youth and young adults, because dating has practically vanished from society in favor of "Hanging out" which doesn't help you really find a mate. I would recommend such things to other faiths.

Posted by: SimoHayha at May 24, 2024 06:17 PM (N/k1H)

153 What is causing it? Sin. And that sin invoked the wrath of God. Which is not volcanoes and all the Hollywood disaster movie special effects.

Read Romans 1:18-32 and think about it. Especially 1:22.

Posted by: setnaffa at May 24, 2024 06:17 PM (nOVGb)

154
Just looked. Paglia still draws breath.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown

So she'll vote Democrat. Twice.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 24, 2024 06:18 PM (63Dwl)

155 148. Why blame women? I don't see men yearning to support kids. Abortion was more or less legalized by a completely male SCOTUS.

Posted by: GOP sux at May 24, 2024 06:18 PM (Zzbjj)

156 No Kidd, Paglia is alive?
Oopsie!!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:18 PM (Hkcdp)

157 When people, who are created in the image of God, think they're no different from animals, it's not surprising that some will act and behave like animals.

I always interpreted the passage "God created Man in His own image." as being in the image of his mind, not his form.

Posted by: Halfhand at May 24, 2024 06:19 PM (T4iZG)

158 SMH, anyone who claims there is no difference between man and animal is planning something nasty for anyone he can get under his power. However to claim that there is no similarity is to ignore what a houseful of cats or dogs can teach us about the world in general.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 24, 2024 06:16 PM (D7oie)

What I find bizarre is they don't differentiate between man and animals but they do differentiate between animals and insects.
They want to "harvest" crickets as if they're not living things.

There's a lesson there about the Left and it's creepy as usual.

Posted by: ... at May 24, 2024 06:19 PM (lX8VI)

159 Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:12 PM (Hkcdp)

I think she's still alive and since she has written some articles about "I was wrong about Donald Trump" and "Abortion is murder" she certainly doesn't seem on the far left bandwagon.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 24, 2024 06:19 PM (XkYcA)

160 128 No, we are NOT monkeys.
Evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell.
When people, who are created in the image of God, think they're no different from animals, it's not surprising that some will act and behave like animals.
Posted by: SMH
----------------------

{{{SMH}}}

They use test rats because biologically our cells react similarly to food, chemicals and germs. I don't think he was pushing an atheistic thing as much as the idea that we react to external stimuli similar to monkeys. Don't know if that's accurate but it's an interesting thought.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 24, 2024 06:20 PM (Iynsv)

161
I generally like Paglia as much as I could like any leftard. As close to an intellectually honest leftard as you'll get. She says she's for abortion. She says it's murder but she's for it.

Maher said the same thing.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 24, 2024 06:20 PM (63Dwl)

162 I'm not sure how far you can take the lessons from the mouse utopia can be applied to human society... since it was far froma utopia becuase they were still penned up in a artificial environment... a prison colony, in effect. If you set up mouse populations with unlimted food and protectin from predators in a a natural, open, environmentl, eventually mice would choose to leave the place altogether as things got tense.

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 24, 2024 06:20 PM (TaHi/)

163 I suspect that the Chinese are going to implode first from low fertility rates. China can only exists as it is now with constant massive growth.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 24, 2024 06:21 PM (QNSds)

164 Paglia is brilliant, sometimes so much so that I can't understand a word she's saying.

And while she is of the Left, it's dumb to try to put in her a simple category. She voted for Bernie and Stein and criticized Bill and then Hillary.

Posted by: moviegique at May 24, 2024 06:21 PM (asXVI)

165 Not enough Eye of the tiger.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 24, 2024 06:21 PM (WF/xn)

166 Hungary's plan (CNBC) -

Measures announced included waivers on personal income tax for women raising at least four children for the rest of their lives and subsidies for large families to buy larger cars. The ‘action plan’ also extended a loan program to help families with at least two children to buy homes. Every woman under 40 will also be eligible for a preferential loan when she first gets married.
....
“There are fewer and fewer children born in Europe. For the West, the answer (to that challenge) is immigration. For every missing child there should be one coming in and then the numbers will be fine,” Orban said, Reuters reported.

“But we do not need numbers. We need Hungarian children,” he said, announcing the incentives program.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 24, 2024 06:22 PM (VXRhG)

167 As far as evolution goes, I have very little problem with saying our bodies are very similar to monkees, apes, etc. Makes sense: they look a lot like us, so the genetic code between us and them are similar.

The story of the Garden of Eden is essentially the story of two very smart animals (innocents who did not have morality) choosing to become human, with agency and morality and right and wrong. A dolphin or an ape has no conscience or right or wrong. We do. Mankind is more than just our genetic code or physical body, after all.

Posted by: SimoHayha at May 24, 2024 06:22 PM (N/k1H)

168 "Falling birth rates are associated with rising standards of living. People don't need children as their "social security system" as much today as they used to."

Correlation is not Causation. Standards of living have been rising for a long time ... when did birth rates start to decline? People may not NEED their own children, but they do need someone's children.

And yes, we live longer (till recently) and better so can better care for ourselves in older age. And tech helps as well ... but ... imo, we need more Americans having their own kids, not importation of a working/slave class that have no allegiance to our liberty/culture.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 24, 2024 06:22 PM (Cus5s)

169 And all this time I thought the song "In The Year 2025" was simply a song, not valid prophecy.

Posted by: Gref at May 24, 2024 06:23 PM (5fDan)

170 I don’t solely blame women, just addressing what affects their fertility.

Men have lower sperm count, and I have no idea what’s causing that - and there’s no widely used ego men’s drug like the birth control pill to blame.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:23 PM (Hkcdp)

171 Meanwhile, our culture has become rabidly anti-child and rabidly anti-family

Children are seen as impediments to women being "fulfilled", families are seen as inconveniences to be abandoned at the first sign of trouble. Trying to teach otherwise labels you "Christofascist" and you want people enslaved to "traditional values."

Admittedly, I never had children so I don't have much room to talk but this is just my five cents.

Posted by: NR Pax at May 24, 2024 06:23 PM (lXCUP)

172 Paia is brilliant and willing to speak freely, even when it’s not woke.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:24 PM (Hkcdp)

173 Most species have things... parasites, war, whatever that knock them down a couple notices.

So.....
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 24,

Trannies?

Posted by: Northernlurker at May 24, 2024 06:24 PM (JLq/1)

174 Men have lower sperm count, and I have no idea what’s causing that - and there’s no widely used ego men’s drug like the birth control pill to blame.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:23 PM (Hkcdp)

I assume it's the lower testosterone levels.

Posted by: ... at May 24, 2024 06:25 PM (lX8VI)

175 What is causing it? Sin. And that sin invoked the wrath of God. Which is not volcanoes and all the Hollywood disaster movie special effects.

Read Romans 1:18-32 and think about it. Especially 1:22.
Posted by: setnaffa
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Living in a Romans 1 world kinda sucks.

Thank God there's a solution...In Jesus Christ.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at May 24, 2024 06:25 PM (ZabZM)

176 Admittedly, I never had children so I don't have much room to talk but this is just my five cents.
Posted by: NR Pax at May 24, 2024 06:23 PM (lXCUP)
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Such insights used to be worth two cents, but now they are worth FIVE cents?

That Bidenflation has affected everything...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 24, 2024 06:26 PM (BpYfr)

177 Unexplained global drop in population?

Sounds like the earth got a visit from a real estate agent.

Posted by: EFG at May 24, 2024 06:26 PM (u8Ce0)

178 Maher said the same thing.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 24, 2024 06:20 PM (63Dwl)

He's not nearly as honest as she is though which is a shame.

Posted by: ... at May 24, 2024 06:26 PM (lX8VI)

179

We must do our part to save humanity and fuck each other as much as possible!

Posted by: Elderly Git at May 24, 2024 06:27 PM (pHIVS)

180 That Bidenflation has affected everything...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 24, 2024 06:26 PM (BpYfr)

Tell me about it. Even the panhandlers aren't accepting anything less than ten nowadays. :-)

Posted by: NR Pax at May 24, 2024 06:27 PM (lXCUP)

181 Well, it is Survival Of The Fittest, right?

Posted by: Eromero at May 24, 2024 06:27 PM (o2ZRX)

182 That is a lot of words to say that the US is fighting an Existential Crisis™ unless we Do Amnesty Now!!!

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at May 24, 2024 06:28 PM (iruKY)

183 What is causing it? Sin. And that sin invoked the wrath of God. Which is not volcanoes and all the Hollywood disaster movie special effects.
Posted by: setnaffa

Seems to cut across "Go forth and multiply" in strange and contradictory ways, there.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 24, 2024 06:28 PM (IG4Id)

184 "The story of the Garden of Eden is essentially the story of two very smart animals (innocents who did not have morality) choosing to become human, with agency and morality and right and wrong."

Yeah, imo that story is very symbolic, more than raw fact. And it is interesting (from the other day) that the 12 Tribes of Israel are the progeny of a man and his two wives and two (?) concubines. Life is .. convoluted.

The times were different ... culture was ... harsh. But we "evolved" into a better place ... with perhaps the founders establishing something unique and awesome. But then, evil never rests.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 24, 2024 06:29 PM (Cus5s)

185 I wouldn't mind seeing the population of the White House decline sharply.

Posted by: Paco at May 24, 2024 06:30 PM (njExo)

186 Noodles.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 24, 2024 06:30 PM (/y8xj)

187 The story of the Garden of Eden is essentially the story of two very smart animals (innocents who did not have morality) choosing to become human, with agency and morality and right and wrong.

Its quite obvious you never cracked open Genesis and read a single word from it.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at May 24, 2024 06:30 PM (iruKY)

188 The video's pretty depressing so maybe save it for later and watch it Sunday evening. Mondays are always down days anyway.

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That's a great channel -- run by Rudyard Lynch, a very bright young man who's read & intently studied a lot of history.

Gorka has interviewed him a few times on his radio show.

He likes to try and find parallels between different eras -- to study the root causes of civilizational successes and failures; he says the only parallel he's been able to find in history to what is happening to Western civilization today is the "Mouse Utopia" studies (apparently there have been many and findings duplicated) referred to in Ace's post.

Posted by: ShainS -- Future Secretary of Retribution candidate at May 24, 2024 06:30 PM (ztPSO)

189 At least we are just dropping in fertility. Which is bad, but comparatively painless.

But if The Sons of Adam show up…

We got a problem.

Posted by: EFG at May 24, 2024 06:32 PM (9mSk4)

190 170. The computer on your lap, STDs. Lots of stuff, but a specialist can help. I suspect the marriage and family averse majority are men.

Posted by: GOP sux at May 24, 2024 06:32 PM (Zzbjj)

191 174 Men have lower sperm count, and I have no idea what’s causing that - and there’s no widely used ego men’s drug like the birth control pill to blame.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 24, 2024 06:23 PM (Hkcdp)

I assume it's the lower testosterone levels.

Posted by: ... at May 24, 2024 06:25 PM (lX8VI)

You can have low T and still father children, you just have to try harder.

Posted by: javems at May 24, 2024 06:33 PM (nVCRf)

192 "We must do our part to save humanity and fuck each other as much as possible!
Posted by: Elderly Git at May 24, 2024 06:27 PM "

We're working on it, oh, never mind.

Posted by: The Democrat party at May 24, 2024 06:33 PM (cHOHf)

193 I'm not sure how far you can take the lessons from the mouse utopia can be applied to human society... since it was far froma utopia becuase they were still penned up in a artificial environment... a prison colony, in effect. If you set up mouse populations with unlimted food and protectin from predators in a a natural, open, environmentl, eventually mice would choose to leave the place altogether as things got tense.

Perhaps the point is that there doesn't exist a "natural, open environment" where there is "unlimited food and protection". (So socialism/communism won't work)

But I don't know if we can argue mice/men would leave a crowded environment. Most people who live in cities, stay in cities. Why they do so is an interesting question. From my perspective, do they not know there is something better? It could be they do feel imprisoned.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at May 24, 2024 06:34 PM (S5+ge)

194 a parallel culture built on federal land ,
work is being done currently to establish freedom cities

Posted by: yoeman at May 24, 2024 06:34 PM (j1QfB)

195 Illini

I yield to NO-ONE when it comes to being an immigration hawk. I'm almost a one issue voter. If a pol is soft on immigration, nothing else can can counterbalance that for me.

Now. In every country I've ever read about, a rising standard of living means fewer births per family. I don't think anyone argues that's just a coincidence.

As living standards go up, infant mortality goes down. People don't have 4-5 children any more in the hope that 2 of them may make it to age 18.

Japan has one of the lowest birth rates in the world. They've worked around that. Not by importing millions of unassimilable Muslims, but by careful long range economic planning.

Posted by: mnw at May 24, 2024 06:36 PM (NLIak)

196 Check out the "4B Movement" in Korea. They're royally fucked, which makes me incredibly sad.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at May 24, 2024 06:37 PM (V0CZc)

197 "Hard times make strong men, strong men create good times, good times make weak men, weak men create hard times."
We're approaching the end of the cycle, and after experiencing the greatest prosperity in human history, it's only natural that we experience the greatest decline in human history...

Posted by: Little Dawg Dave at May 24, 2024 06:37 PM (sOwD7)

198 "When people, who are created in the image of God, think they're no different from animals, it's not surprising that some will act and behave like animals."

God created man (adam) in his own image (God is spirit, no man has seen God at any time).

imo, God made formed and created Adam as a complete (3 is "complete") man, body soul and spirit. In the day Adam defied, he surely died. Not his body and soul, but the holy spirit God had given him on the condition of obedience. Adam lived a long time after that, as body and soul man.

Not all men are created "in his image". In the OT men of God had the spirit upon them. Christians can be born again and receive a new birth of holy spirit. Unconditional this time.

The exact forensic audit (by God) of the heart that man must pass is beyond me .. but it is not just a "come down to the altar and say these magic words" kind of thang, imo.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 24, 2024 06:39 PM (Cus5s)

199 Regarding the plummeting fertility, I suspect a big part of the biological reason is the endocrine disruptors in the environment, such as micro plastics. We're gonna have to figure that part out

But first we need a natal-focused culture, not this culture of baby killing and girlbossing that currently plagues us.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at May 24, 2024 06:40 PM (V0CZc)

200 "Rare will be confrontations with strangers."

Do you not drive a car? It's like Mad Max out there.

Posted by: Crotalus Atrox at May 24, 2024 06:41 PM (25QY+)

201 "They've worked around that. Not by importing millions of unassimilable Muslims, but by careful long range economic planning." Posted by: mnw

Not sure Japan is out of the woods, but sure, survival rates are up, tech is a boon, we could perhaps endure lower rates for a time .. not forever decline.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 24, 2024 06:41 PM (Cus5s)

202 I had four kids. What's your problem?

Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at May 24, 2024 06:51 PM (WE1WX)

203 “Scottie Scheffler didn’t do anything wrong,” Scheffler’s lawyer, Steve Romines, told reporters on Thursday.

“We’re not interested in settling the case. We will either try it or it will be dismissed. It’s very simple. All the evidence that continues to come out just continues to support what Scottie said all along. This was a chaotic situation and miscommunication, and he didn’t do anything wrong.”
_NYPost

Posted by: Braenyard at May 24, 2024 07:21 PM (Iynsv)

204 If the Lord wants me do ger married and have kids it'll happen.

Posted by: ObsidianKnife at May 24, 2024 11:48 PM (1Xis7)

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