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Daily Caller: Former Vivek Ramaswamy Aide Is Using Conservative Influencers to Spread Pro-RFKJr. Propaganda

Note that most of the people who spread some of this propaganda deny they were paid. They say they were just retweeting something an acquaintance asked them to retweet, without knowing it was part of a greater, organized propaganda effort.

Eh. Just assume everyone is getting paid and is specifically being paid to screw you over.


A former communications staffer for Vivek Ramaswamy's 2024 presidential campaign has been trying to leverage pro-Trump and conservative figures to boost content in favor of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is running against former President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden for the White House, according to a leaked pitch deck obtained exclusively by the Daily Caller.

Zach Henry, who worked as the Deputy Communications Director for Ramaswamy's campaign, has since started his own firm, Total Virality, and is taking money from the Kennedy campaign. According to FEC reports, RFK Jr.'s campaign paid Total Virality nearly $8,000 in March for "influencer engagement."

The pitch deck obtained by the Daily Caller shows that Henry was touting his work with RFK alongside screenshots of prominent conservative twitter users.

screenshot1ofRFKJrpropagana.jpg

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"RFK's team contracted Total Virality to help boost his SOTU video. The original agreed upon goal was 4M views (this would have made it the third-highest viewed video ever posted by RFK on the platform)," slide three of the deck says. "We delivered 6M views in the first 24 hours leveraging a custom list of influencers -- many of whom were already in our network as well as others we added specifically to this project. It is now RFK's most-viewed video ever on X."

The same slide includes screenshots of various prominent Twitter users sharing Kennedy's State of the Union response video, including avowed Trump supporters and other conservative figures like Scott Adams, Alex Jones, Oli London, Ian Miles Cheong and Joey Mannarino, among others.

Again, note that these people deny they were paid to carry water for RFKJr.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 02:51 PM




Comments

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1 I'm trying to figure out what is important about this.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 14, 2024 02:52 PM (1bNHn)

2 Oh, me 1st?

Posted by: Eeyore at May 14, 2024 02:52 PM (1bNHn)

3 Is RFK still a thing? Have the worms eaten everyone's brains?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 14, 2024 02:53 PM (z+89e)

4 Eh. Just assume everyone is getting paid and is specifically being paid to screw you over.

=======

I mean...yeah.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 02:54 PM (GBKbO)

5 Sorry Ace, I just got willowed, but I want to throw this comment out here… my apologies boss..

I offer a modest ray of hope here, against the zeitgeist… where I live married men and women still have children, often three, four or more. They are raised in nomal homes - often times the kid’s mothers stay at home to raise them, meaning Dad works very hard to support his family. Location is not specified, due to OpSec…

Posted by: tubal at May 14, 2024 02:54 PM (PCK5/)

6 How many ways can you cut $8,000?

Posted by: Oglebay at May 14, 2024 02:55 PM (ogTiX)

7 Did he offer free de-worming with the deal?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 14, 2024 02:55 PM (aFNOf)

8 So in other words, someone who used to work for Vivek is now working for RFK?

Is that news?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 02:55 PM (dGCAG)

9 RFK and Bill Maher are two I am NOT going to join the chorus of praise for.

They can both go fuck Fani Willis.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 14, 2024 02:55 PM (1bNHn)

10 Afternoon.

Point of clarification, were they promoting RFK or were the promoting RFK's brainworm?

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2024 02:55 PM (UgeRr)

11 Zach Henry, who worked as the Deputy Communications Director for Ramaswamy's campaign, has since started his own firm, Total Virality

I first read this as Total Virility. A picture of Mr. Henry suggests this is not truth in advertising.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 14, 2024 02:56 PM (CsUN+)

12 By conservative influencers you mean people like Rick Wilson and Ben Shapiro?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 14, 2024 02:56 PM (aFNOf)

13 I hope a lot of Democrats vote for RFK…

Posted by: tubal at May 14, 2024 02:56 PM (PCK5/)

14 How many ways can you cut $8,000?
Posted by: Oglebay at May 14, 2024 02:55 PM (ogTiX)

Eight grand can get you a lot of cocaine.

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2024 02:56 PM (UgeRr)

15 Afternoon.

Point of clarification, were they promoting RFK or were the promoting RFK's brainworm?
Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2024 02:55 PM (UgeRr)
----
Mighty fine trick if they can turn his brainworm into an earworm...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 14, 2024 02:56 PM (7fElN)

16 Such people need desperately to be kissed.


Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 14, 2024 02:56 PM (dGRTS)

17 I'm trying to figure out what is important about this.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 14, 2024 02:52 PM (1bNHn)


A staffer who was boosting Ramaswamy as an alternative to Trump is now boosting RFK as an alternative to Trump... and cuz they're getting paid.

All paid political operatives are whores. Doesn't matter which side they claim to be on today.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (U7wke)

18 Is RFK still a thing? Have the worms eaten everyone's brains?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 14, 2024 02:53 PM (z+89e)

RFK is still a thing, yes. And all the right leaning ninnies who are feeling threatened by his presence in the race are, well, going to continue acting like ninnies. Because they're ninnies.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (dGCAG)

19 Let me see...Vivek was a fraud, designed to undercut Trump primary vote. That didn't work. So his handlers have moved over to RFK Jr, another fraud designed to undercut Trump general vote.

Close?

Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (Te7DI)

20 Again, note that these people deny they were paid to carry water for RFKJr.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 02:51 PM


Con men don't tell their marks they're being conned.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (FCbAQ)

21 Beyond Titan is commenter.

ewok and COB don't make the chart.

Posted by: DaveA at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (PMJuY)

22 Khaneddy has inserted earwigs into these people’s brains.

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (MNhXM)

23 I'm shocked that payment is going on here!

Aide: Your weekly earnings, sir.

Posted by: Scott Adams at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (4I/2K)

24 Sure , sure, just like all those nasty comments for DeSantis posted by new, one name posters a few months back - the kind that made you dislike DeSantis despite them pretending to endorse him.
Totally organic and not coordinated and paid for!!
It just happens that these severely conservative types always manage to push us to vote Democrat!

Posted by: Lizzy at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (Hkcdp)

25 Why is this a bad thing? If you believe -- as I do and apparently as Democraps themselves do -- that having RFK in the race hurts Joey Showers more than it hurts Trump, then boosting RFK is a clever tactic to help Trump by hurting Showers.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (iFTx/)

26 Traitors to the left of me
Back-stabbers to the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you...

Posted by: Donald J. Trump at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (5fDan)

27 Invader Zim: HAVE YOU THE BRAIN WORMS!??????

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (cf/0E)

28 Con men don't tell their marks they're being conned.

True, but if you hear Scott Joplin music in the background, be on the lookout.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (CsUN+)

29 So, the guy is a paid for political consultant, who used to work for Vivek? and now works for somebody else?

The problem here is that Politics is now a business, with billions spent every election... not that a hired gun is just that.... a HIRED gun.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (xaFKb)

30 the worms crawl in
the worms crawl out
the worms play pinochle on your snout
they eat your eyes
they eat your nose
they eat the jelly between your toes

Posted by: wth at May 14, 2024 02:59 PM (v0R5T)

31 25 Why is this a bad thing? If you believe -- as I do and apparently as Democraps themselves do -- that having RFK in the race hurts Joey Showers more than it hurts Trump, then boosting RFK is a clever tactic to help Trump by hurting Showers.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (iFTx/)

Eh, that is my take on the matter..

Posted by: tubal at May 14, 2024 02:59 PM (PCK5/)

32 I'm shocked!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 14, 2024 02:59 PM (N1DT3)

33 A staffer who was boosting Ramaswamy as an alternative to Trump is now boosting RFK as an alternative to Trump... and cuz they're getting paid.

All paid political operatives are whores. Doesn't matter which side they claim to be on today.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (U7wke)

I have a feeling, because this is Daily Caller, and they're ninnies, are trying to impugn Vivek, by his association with this guy, who now works for RFK.

I don't think Daily Caller does themselves any good, by acting all righteous about who should and shouldn't be associating with whom, but I guess there are people who still take them seriously. For reasons I can't fathom.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 02:59 PM (dGCAG)

34 Nema Tode you not to come...

Posted by: Archimedes at May 14, 2024 02:59 PM (CsUN+)

35 I never trusted. Ramaswamy for some reason... Too slick

Posted by: It's me donna at May 14, 2024 02:59 PM (Akjoo)

36 I like the list of noted conservatives of which none listed are actual conservatives (neither is Trump, ofc).

Posted by: Gaff at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (jPS2y)

37 What’s important about this?
I suppose it’s to pull the curtain back on alleged GOP staffers and consultants who are just Democrat tools playing games with GOP voters.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (Hkcdp)

38 I never trusted. Ramaswamy for some reason... Too slick

And he's always trying to curry favor.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (CsUN+)

39 True, but if you hear Scott Joplin music in the background, be on the lookout.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (CsUN+)

The Entertainer was playing in my head as I typed.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (FCbAQ)

40 Again, note that these people deny they were paid to carry water for RFKJr.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 02:51 PM

They probably are telling the truth.

They were paid to damage Trump's election chances. It just happened also be carrying water for RFK.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (N1DT3)

41 Let me see...Vivek was a fraud, designed to undercut Trump primary vote. That didn't work. So his handlers have moved over to RFK Jr, another fraud designed to undercut Trump general vote.

Close?
Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (Te7DI)

That would be what we call Daily Caller logic.

Or in laymen's terms, stupidity.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (dGCAG)

42
According to FEC reports, RFK Jr.'s campaign paid Total Virality nearly $8,000 in March for "influencer engagement."


Somebody needs a real job. I would simply remind anyone on the right to spend five minutes reading RFK's Wiki page and you will discount him completely.

Sure, agree with him on 2%, but the 98% of the other stuff makes the Obama/Biden term look like a picnic served by buxom women serving pitchers of beer.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (RKVpM)

43 I never liked Vivek after he did the rapping.

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:01 PM (MNhXM)

44 35 I never trusted. Ramaswamy for some reason... Too slick
Posted by: It's me donna at May 14, 2024 02:59 PM (Akjoo)

Maybe but I really believe he is the face of politics in the future to some degree..

Posted by: tubal at May 14, 2024 03:01 PM (PCK5/)

45 I'm trying to figure out what is important about this.
---
Some people claim that RFK Jr pulls more votes from Trump than Biden.
They have polls an' stuff, too.
Usually, these are the same that claim they can in no way vote for Trump because of his Covid response.

But they were totally for sure going to vote for Trump otherwise.

And not, you know, as usual, find any reason whatsoever to, once again, for 20 years now, not vote for the Republican candidate.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 14, 2024 03:01 PM (g9W3m)

46 Invader Zim: HAVE YOU THE BRAIN WORMS!??????
Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (cf/0E)


I believe Khan inflicted it on the minor Star Trek character who isn't a flaming homosexual long before this reference came into being.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 14, 2024 03:01 PM (U7wke)

47 Iffen you don't like my opinion, I have others. See the menu.

Posted by: Political Influencer at May 14, 2024 03:01 PM (4I/2K)

48 And he's always trying to curry favor.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (CsUN+)

/groan

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 14, 2024 03:01 PM (N1DT3)

49 Gas Pump Guy > Vivek Smarmyslimy

Posted by: The Daily Caller at May 14, 2024 03:02 PM (IebSC)

50 45 Some people claim that RFK Jr pulls more votes from Trump than Biden.
They have polls an' stuff, too.
Usually, these are the same that claim they can in no way vote for Trump because of his Covid response.

But they were totally for sure going to vote for Trump otherwise.

And not, you know, as usual, find any reason whatsoever to, once again, for 20 years now, not vote for the Republican candidate.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 14, 2024 03:01 PM (g9W3m)

========

I assume "Trump voters" who would vote for RFK are largely apolitical in terms of policy but have more warm squishy thoughts about the Democrat Party of old than anything else. They're cultural Democrats who rarely vote, Trump got them to vote once or twice, and now they want RFK because Camelot.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:02 PM (GBKbO)

51 Vivek is not named Mohammed, so there’s that….

Posted by: tubal at May 14, 2024 03:02 PM (PCK5/)

52 17 I'm trying to figure out what is important about this.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 14, 2024 02:52 PM (1bNHn)

A staffer who was boosting Ramaswamy as an alternative to Trump is now boosting RFK as an alternative to Trump... and cuz they're getting paid.

All paid political operatives are whores. Doesn't matter which side they claim to be on today.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (U7wke)
______
So they're just as much whores as they were when it was Adams vs Jefferson. That's news? So far as I can see, it says nothing about Vivek one way or another. Any more that is says something about Trump that Cohen worked for him.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 14, 2024 03:02 PM (1bNHn)

53 a picnic served by buxom women serving pitchers of beer.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (RKVpM)

Where is this Valhalla?

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 14, 2024 03:02 PM (4I/2K)

54 I never trusted. Ramaswamy for some reason... Too slick

And he's always trying to curry favor.
Posted by: Archimedes
.......

He's no sacred cow.

Posted by: wth at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (v0R5T)

55 Someone in the media should RFK Jr how often he visits the graves of Mary Jo Kopechne, Rose Kennedy, and Martha Moxley.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (aFNOf)

56 Why is this a bad thing? If you believe -- as I do and apparently as Democraps themselves do -- that having RFK in the race hurts Joey Showers more than it hurts Trump, then boosting RFK is a clever tactic to help Trump by hurting Showers.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 02:58 PM (iFTx/)

I suspect Daily Caller is less concerned about RFK's role in this race, and is more focused on Vivek's influence on Team Trump.

There are people who, in case it's not blatantly obvious, don't like Vivek because he's brown and he believes in a weird religion.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (dGCAG)

57 Welcome ace, after you are a spend that year spreading yours and cbd bullshit propaganda on support for yours clown meatball governor, you are a take to be that dunce to have everyone bend outward for shape around that. You are and cbd with able to went with fuck every other and to take turns gagging every other in yours favorite meatball governor tiny cock.

to what that moron you are am

Posted by: Not Fat Dumb Ron who likes it in the poop chute at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (LxBLQ)

58 Con men don't tell their marks they're being conned.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (FCbAQ)

Good ones do, but they know their audience wants to be conned. Ever go to a magic show?

Posted by: Auspex at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (j4U/Z)

59 I never trusted. Ramaswamy for some reason... Too slick

He's a curious mix of very smart and socially clueless, as are many of the very smart. There were many times, especially in the debates, when he just needed to shut up and let the other person make a fool of himself.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (CsUN+)

60 I like the list of noted conservatives of which none listed are actual conservatives (neither is Trump, ofc).
Posted by: Gaff at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (jPS2y)


How many people here consider themselves "conservative"? Hell, in the previous thread Ace said he was ready to pull out one boob, grab a torch and a French flag cause a ruckus - figuratively speaking.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (U7wke)

61 Secretary Blinken is in Keeeeeev today.

He is blaming the lack of Ukrainian fortifications around Kharkov on --- the Republicans.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (uxCna)

62 From a fortification perspective whether RFK Jr hurts Biden or Trump more doesn't matter. He'll have an impact of some kind, perhaps enough to impact the count in a few states, in debatable ways. Did he hurt Biden or Trump more? The talking head on Fox isn't sure, the talking head on CNN says wow it l99ks like he hurt Trump more, the talking head on MSNBC is dead certain he hurt Trump more. Conventional wisdom settles. Abortion, Trumps legal problems, RFK Jr, a couple other things created a perfect storm for another odd and unprecedented Biden win. That's a plausible story. Fortification complete.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 14, 2024 03:04 PM (Te7DI)

63 I see the short bus has arrived.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 14, 2024 03:04 PM (CsUN+)

64 Con men don't tell their marks they're being conned.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 14, 2024 02:57 PM (FCbAQ)

Good ones do, but they know their audience wants to be conned. Ever go to a magic show?
Posted by: Auspex at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (j4U/Z)

Or a timeshare presentation?

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 14, 2024 03:04 PM (4I/2K)

65 I thought this guy was fired by the Vivek team and was rehired by the RFK team? And part of the reason for the term was this behavior?

You can’t really control what people do once they are termed, and I doubt very strongly any non compete would hold up just based on the limited employability options for this crew. A non compete can’t result in unemployment or it is not reasonable.

Posted by: Piper at May 14, 2024 03:05 PM (d2kuJ)

66 And he's always trying to curry favor.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 14, 2024 03:00 PM (CsUN+)

Now, now, no reason to caste aspersions on him.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at May 14, 2024 03:06 PM (XPM1I)

67 I never trusted. Ramaswamy for some reason... Too slick
Posted by: It's me donna at May 14, 2024 02:59 PM (Akjoo)

Maybe but I really believe he is the face of politics in the future to some degree..
Posted by: tubal at May 14, 2024 03:01 PM (PCK5/)

If you say things like that you're going to cause Ann Coulter to go back and f**k Bill Maher some more.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:06 PM (dGCAG)

68 Some people claim that RFK Jr pulls more votes from Trump than Biden.

Biden's lackeys wouldn't have assembled the entire Kennedy family at the White House on Saint Patrick's Day to denounce RFK Jr. if they thought that RFK Jr pulls more votes from Trump than Biden.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 14, 2024 03:06 PM (uxCna)

69 Secretary Blinken is in Keeeeeev today.


I hope he forgot his checkbook.

Posted by: U.S. taxpayers at May 14, 2024 03:07 PM (v0R5T)

70 Eh. Just assume everyone is getting paid and is specifically being paid to screw you over.

Umm....

Posted by: Alvin Bragg at May 14, 2024 03:07 PM (xhfG9)

71 now they want RFK because Camelot.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

The good old days of promiscuity and drugs at the White House?

Isn't Joey doing enough?

Posted by: Auspex at May 14, 2024 03:07 PM (j4U/Z)

72 He is blaming the lack of Ukrainian fortifications around Kharkov on --- the Republicans.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (uxCna)

Blinken: "Eww! I've shit myself!"
Media: "Eww, you've shit yourself! Damn Republicans!"
Republicans: "Uhh...sorry."

Posted by: Boswell at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (K+UlC)

73 It doesn’t bother me except I think it is relevant as a Vivek staffer is now doing the opposite of what Vivek is wants. Says something, I just don’t know what exactly😀

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (MNhXM)

74 68 Some people claim that RFK Jr pulls more votes from Trump than Biden.

Biden's lackeys wouldn't have assembled the entire Kennedy family at the White House on Saint Patrick's Day to denounce RFK Jr. if they thought that RFK Jr pulls more votes from Trump than Biden.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 14, 2024 03:06 PM (uxCna)

You are that guy that notices things, aren’t you???

Posted by: tubal at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (PCK5/)

75 Posted by: Not Fat Dumb Ron at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (LxBLQ)

Wow. That's a hot take. I was never on Team DeSantis but I'll point out that I don't believe either Ace or CBD took money from him and, while I disagreed with them, nothing they said about DeSantis was a specific repudiation of their prior, or current, positions.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (U7wke)

76 71 now they want RFK because Camelot.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

The good old days of promiscuity and drugs at the White House?

Isn't Joey doing enough?
Posted by: Auspex at May 14, 2024 03:07 PM (j4U/Z)

======

The press were better at hiding that in the 60s. Three networks and one wire service were very strong tools.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (GBKbO)

77 Rfk has to know he can't win. Is it more likely that he's trying to play spoiler? Who is he trying to take out though? With his background, it has to be Trump.

Posted by: Kitchner Lesley at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (nVi9d)

78
Biden's lackeys wouldn't have assembled the entire Kennedy family at the White House on Saint Patrick's Day to denounce RFK Jr. if they thought that RFK Jr pulls more votes from Trump than Biden.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 14, 2024 03:06 PM


Some people think using the term 'pithy' is derogatory. Wrong. If you can nail the comment in very few words you win.

You win.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (RKVpM)

79 and now they want RFK because Camelot.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:02 PM (GBKbO)


But they could have Kamalot!

Posted by: Brew Darrymore at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (OguvZ)

80 73 It doesn’t bother me except I think it is relevant as a Vivek staffer is now doing the opposite of what Vivek is wants. Says something, I just don’t know what exactly😀
Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (MNhXM)

=======

That people who work on political campaigns are all mercenaries, should not be taken seriously, and should be ignored.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:09 PM (GBKbO)

81 Good plan more votes from crappants.

Posted by: Plainoldtoast at May 14, 2024 03:09 PM (ytSiK)

82 73 It doesn’t bother me except I think it is relevant as a Vivek staffer is now doing the opposite of what Vivek is wants. Says something, I just don’t know what exactly😀
Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (MNhXM)


Says they'll do anything for the right price

Posted by: It's me donna at May 14, 2024 03:09 PM (Akjoo)

83 minor Star Trek character

Checkov, minor?!!!

Your neuralyzer sir.

also that was more of a scorpion than worm.

Posted by: DaveA at May 14, 2024 03:09 PM (PMJuY)

84 Vivek wants a role in this administration, he has been the least critical of Trump. Whether he believes in Trump or just wants to get his name more solidly out there in the political arena is anyone’s guess. To be honest, hitching your start to Trump doesn’t always thanks to our politicized DOJ and FBI. I think this gives credibility to Vivek believing in our country. I have been accused of being a naive Polly Anna on more than one occasion, so maybe same here.

Posted by: Piper at May 14, 2024 03:09 PM (d2kuJ)

85 I doubt very strongly any non compete would hold up just based on the limited employability options for this crew

Not only that, but noncompete clauses attract the attention of the FTC:
aha.org/news/headline/ 2024-04-23-ftc-issues-final-rule- banning-most-noncompete-clauses- employer-agreements

Posted by: purveyor of links wot pixy won't break by hyphen at May 14, 2024 03:09 PM (gKWVE)

86 Nema Tode you not to come...
Posted by: Archimedes at May 14, 2024 02:59 PM (CsUN+)

hahha

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 14, 2024 03:09 PM (NtVYv)

87 Famous last words: "Go wake up the gimp."

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at May 14, 2024 03:10 PM (as3uC)

88 Secretary Blinken is in Keeeeeev today.

He is blaming the lack of Ukrainian fortifications around Kharkov on --- the Republicans.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (uxCna)

I wonder if Slinkin' Blinkin might get half a clue, if the Russians blowed up his arse, that the problem with the Uke war isn't Republicans, it's Russia's military superiority.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:10 PM (dGCAG)

89 Man, I feel like I'm really missing out on the sweet, sweet grift train of being an online personality in politics.

Posted by: ballistic at May 14, 2024 03:10 PM (oqH4h)

90 Posted by: Not Fat Dumb Ron at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (LxBLQ)

Your opinion means as much as Sid and Paul and as accurate.

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:10 PM (MNhXM)

91 MJTruthUltra
@MJTruthUltra

Dammmmn Vivek…

Trump May be Gagged, but Vivek Ramaswamy is Not.. He Knocked it out of the Park!

“The real bookkeeping that we need accounting of, is Judge Merchan’s own family member collecting millions of dollars as a Democratic operative..

Using the existence of this trial as a fundraising ploy for democrats… this is unconscionable…

The “Alledged crime” is that Trump used personal funds…

Suppose Trump had used campaign funds to make a personal expense, they’d be going after him for that.

They were going to “Get Him” either way.
That is the best proof this is a Politicized sham!

This is a SHAM!..>

Donald Trump is sitting with the indignity in this dingy third-rate courtroom, with fourth-rate prosecutors, and a fifth rate lawyer on the stand, who as a witness violated attorney client privilege, and nobody’s talking about that.”

tinyurl.com/mp5ynkfr

Posted by: redridinghood at May 14, 2024 03:11 PM (NpAcC)

92 3 Is RFK still a thing? Have the worms eaten everyone's brains?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 14, 2024 02:53 PM (z+89e)


Is Vivek still a thing? He seems to have completely disappeared.

Posted by: Alvin Bragg at May 14, 2024 03:11 PM (xhfG9)

93 Why would anyone who votes for RFK take away a vote from Trump? Answer, they won't. It's a completely different demographic. Convince me I'm wrong, because I am not. The people who would vote for RFK would never vote for Trump.

Posted by: Vengeance at May 14, 2024 03:11 PM (WxYD8)

94 Probably a plant in his campaign

Posted by: Skip at May 14, 2024 03:11 PM (fwDg9)

95 The one problem having RFK on the ballot is that he does draw more Ds than Rs...so Ds may show up to a higher degree voting for down ballot races (you know, the ones that fake votes don't bother to fill in) and that puts more federal, state, and local elections in play in the states that RFK is on the ballot...

If he wasn't there, they might just stay home...now, in blue states, that's a free D vote, but usually only at the top office, not the rest...and in a red state, it's usually a zero vote...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (exHjb)

96 Anyway, this "story" is like when some guy dates Stacy, and they break up, and then Stacy goes on to turn tricks on the street.
It's probably not Vivek's fault that Zach Henry turned out to like the taste of penis, especially high paying penis.

Posted by: purveyor of links wot pixy won't break by hyphen at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (gKWVE)

97 @46 I believe Khan inflicted it on the minor Star Trek character who isn't a flaming homosexual long before this reference came into being.

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Yes. And apparently it gave him telepathic powers. So he transferred to Babylon 5 and joined the Psi Corps.

Posted by: junior at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (uQL6R)

98 Everything is fake and gay.

Posted by: brak at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (AR07F)

99
I think this gives credibility to Vivek believing in our country. I have been accused of being a naive Polly Anna on more than one occasion, so maybe same here.

Posted by: Piper at May 14, 2024 03:09 PM


I see Vivek almost every day on X or elsewhere. In the courtroom with Trump today. He was leading a poll on the Benny Johnson website with VP candidates.

He seems very very real.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (RKVpM)

100 Some people claim that RFK Jr pulls more votes from Trump than Biden.

Biden's lackeys wouldn't have assembled the entire Kennedy family at the White House on Saint Patrick's Day to denounce RFK Jr. if they thought that RFK Jr pulls more votes from Trump than Biden.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 14, 2024 03:06 PM (uxCna)
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Yea, this is what I've been saying. I think as a practical matter, I don't see any Trump voters being peeled away by RFK, but I do see some Democrap voters upset with Biden but who can't vote for Trump who might peel away from Biden to RFK. That and Biden's own team seems clearly desperate to destroy RFK. They obviously think he hurts Biden more than Trump.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (iFTx/)

101 Vivek thought the 2020 election was on the up and up so hard he put it in a book a year later. That's a level of dumbassery I refuse to abide. Sorry.

Yeah yeah he's just a caveman.

Sorry I don't need conservatives that are "still learning" about these strange alien concepts we live and breathe by ascending to the highest levels of power.

Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (9yFRo)

102 77 Rfk has to know he can't win. Is it more likely that he's trying to play spoiler? Who is he trying to take out though? With his background, it has to be Trump.
Posted by: Kitchner Lesley at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (nVi9d)

He doesn't need to win...to throw it to the House, he probably only needs to get 1 state, maybe 2...

Posted by: Nova Local at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (exHjb)

103 Ramaswamy doesn't concern me, but, the scorned scrunt needs to be given less attention by big $ donors.
Her continued presence in the 2024 race is nauseating.

Posted by: old chick at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (F3Dlr)

104 Good ones do, but they know their audience wants to be conned. Ever go to a magic show?
Posted by: Auspex at May 14, 2024 03:03 PM (j4U/Z)

Good point, but money is paid up front, then the "con" of magic happens. But that's why you go in the first place.


Oh, and I have been to a time-share presentation.
Once. Because I'm cheap. Got a 3 day stay at a highrise on the beach at Myrtle facing the ocean.
I earned it. Never again.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (FCbAQ)

105 60 How many people here consider themselves "conservative"? Hell, in the previous thread Ace said he was ready to pull out one boob, grab a torch and a French flag cause a ruckus - figuratively speaking.
Posted by: I used to have a different

Wait, what happened? Why do these things happen while I am gone?

Posted by: Piper at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (d2kuJ)

106 Isn't an "influencer" just a fancy name for con man?

I can't recall being influenced online to buy or do anything. Certainly not by some paid shill. I also can't believe there's a market, are real one, for "political influencers." I mean, they're a despised group of fucktards anyway.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (Q4IgG)

107 Blinken: "Eww! I've shit myself!"
Media: "Eww, you've shit yourself! Damn Republicans!"
Republicans: "Uhh...sorry."
Posted by: Boswell at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (K+UlC)

Republicans again: Here, will another $60 billion in weapons contractor kickbacks help?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (dGCAG)

108 I think we have a regular here who has indicated a possible vote for RFK jr.

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (MNhXM)

109 Bannon thought Trump should consider RFK Jr as his VP.

I suppose it is the "do anything to win" theory ... same with Tulsi Gabbord. Whatever it takes to pull in the middle. The question is whether it deflates the base turnout.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (Cus5s)

110 So RFK's brain worms infected other people. Good to know.

Posted by: NR Pax at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (BZQ9D)

111 I have heard/seen lots of conservative influencers out with the "they have to get rid of Biden" concept again. Like all in unison. Not sure what is driving it. Bad polls for Biden mean he has to quit? That doesn't sound right.

Posted by: Alvin Bragg at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (xhfG9)

112 ooh. off smelly sock

Posted by: blaster at May 14, 2024 03:14 PM (xhfG9)

113 100 Yea, this is what I've been saying. I think as a practical matter, I don't see any Trump voters being peeled away by RFK, but I do see some Democrap voters upset with Biden but who can't vote for Trump who might peel away from Biden to RFK. That and Biden's own team seems clearly desperate to destroy RFK. They obviously think he hurts Biden more than Trump.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (iFTx/)

=======

I do think this demo is bigger than the one I keep inventing (?), but I just don't dismiss the idea that there are some Trump voters who are happy with RFK as a protest vote.

Also, 3rd party candidates have been massively underperforming their polls for decades. Voters come home.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:14 PM (GBKbO)

114 Anyway, this "story" is like when some guy dates Stacy, and they break up, and then Stacy goes on to turn tricks on the street.
It's probably not Vivek's fault that Zach Henry turned out to like the taste of penis, especially high paying penis.
Posted by: purveyor of links wot pixy won't break by hyphen at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (gKWVE)
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Stick with Stacy's mom

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 03:14 PM (iFTx/)

115 Kamala? Depends.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at May 14, 2024 03:14 PM (as3uC)

116 Catturd ™ retweeted
Brenden Dilley @WarlordDilley 1h
On March 25th, 2024, one of RFK Jr’s consultants reached out to right-wing influencers (screenshot provided by @amuse) offering to pay them to promote RFK Jr’s VP choice.

On March 26th, @barnes_law promoted RFK Jr’s VP choice. The post was shared by the RFK consultant.
🤔

https://tinyurl.com/9bwt8zr5
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BTW, @barnes_law = Robert Barnes

https://tinyurl.com/425e7cht

Declare Your Ballot @DeclareUrBallot 22h Replying to @WarlordDilley @amuse @barnes_law
Oh damn, Dilley going after Barnes!!! This should be interesting.

Barnes banned me from asking him tough questions about rigged machines. Apparently Barnes doesn’t believe the machines were indeed rigged. They were, along with all the other fraud, maladministration and outright unconstitutionally run elections. Barnes doesn’t even know there was a forensic portion to the Maricopa Audit that found 407,000 predetermined ballots illegally entered.

Barnes protests a bit too much about the machines…

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 14, 2024 03:14 PM (ZdexC)

117 Anyone who actually bills himself as an "influencer" is 100% a grifter who will say anything for a price. That's the nature of the job. And most of the "engagement" views, etc. are phony and driven by bots and click farms.

So basically everything is fake and gay.

Posted by: BunnyFooFoo at May 14, 2024 03:14 PM (0Uf+z)

118 -
Eight grand can get you a lot of cocaine.
Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2024 02:56 PM
-

You misspelled "a taste".

Posted by: Hunter B. at May 14, 2024 03:14 PM (s3qw3)

119 Some people don't realize that most of these staffers would blow people on The Hill for a quarter in the cloak room in order say they're still "working" in politics.

Posted by: Vengeance at May 14, 2024 03:14 PM (WxYD8)

120 Why don't the consultants tell the Democrats that the party looks like the dumbest Nazis history as ever seen.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 14, 2024 03:15 PM (J8LnB)

121 104
Oh, and I have been to a time-share presentation.
Once. Because I'm cheap.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (FCbAQ)


How long was it and how did you handle not choking the presenter?

Posted by: NR Pax at May 14, 2024 03:15 PM (BZQ9D)

122 Influencing sounds too much like "influenza" to be anything good. But I guess when virality is the goal.....

Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:15 PM (9yFRo)

123 Some people think using the term 'pithy' is derogatory. Wrong. If you can nail the comment in very few words you win.
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We have a term for that.

Posted by: Spartans at May 14, 2024 03:16 PM (Be/+i)

124 The PCA cancelled the panel that was to include Pharisee David French.

http://tiny.cc/5ux2yz

Posted by: bonhomme at May 14, 2024 03:16 PM (Odg76)

125 I wondered about how many times influencers where getting paid by the DeSantis campaign.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 14, 2024 03:16 PM (2fIO4)

126 I wonder if Slinkin' Blinkin might get half a clue, if the Russians blowed up his arse, that the problem with the Uke war isn't Republicans, it's Russia's military superiority.

I'm trying to think of an another example in military history where a nation at war failed to build a planned defense line in a critical area, because all the money allocated to build the defense line was stolen.

I'm not coming up with any other examples.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 14, 2024 03:16 PM (uxCna)

127 Pick a VP that appeals to the Left? Sounds like a plan.

Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:16 PM (9yFRo)

128 Sounds like just another cuckservative scam ala the Bullseeker.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at May 14, 2024 03:17 PM (17s+e)

129 98 Everything is fake and gay.
Posted by: brak at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (AR07F)
_______
That statement is a thing.

Therefore, that statement is fake and gay. QED

Posted by: Eeyore at May 14, 2024 03:17 PM (1bNHn)

130 113 100 Yea, this is what I've been saying. I think as a practical matter, I don't see any Trump voters being peeled away by RFK, but I do see some Democrap voters upset with Biden but who can't vote for Trump who might peel away from Biden to RFK. That and Biden's own team seems clearly desperate to destroy RFK. They obviously think he hurts Biden more than Trump.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (iFTx/)

=======

I do think this demo is bigger than the one I keep inventing (?), but I just don't dismiss the idea that there are some Trump voters who are happy with RFK as a protest vote.

Also, 3rd party candidates have been massively underperforming their polls for decades. Voters come home.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:14 PM (GBKbO)
_____

I can't say I disagree in some semblance of a theory, but on balance I think RFK pulls more votes from Biden than Trump. Any "Trump voter" who not only doesn't vote for Trump, but who pulls the lever for a Democrat, just wasn't ever gonna vote for Trump in the first place.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 03:17 PM (iFTx/)

131 121 104
Oh, and I have been to a time-share presentation.
Once. Because I'm cheap.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (FCbAQ)

How long was it and how did you handle not choking the presenter?
Posted by: NR Pax at May 14, 2024 03:15 PM (BZQ9D)

=======

I've sat through two. I'll probably sit through a third within the next year.

It's an hour or so of some pretty hard-pressure sales (thought neither guy was exactly intense or mean about it), and then you get to enjoy your discounted hotel price for the rest of the trip.

Our four night hotel in Maui was for $1000 total. Worth it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:17 PM (GBKbO)

132 109 Bannon thought Trump should consider RFK Jr as his VP.

I suppose it is the "do anything to win" theory ... same with Tulsi Gabbord. Whatever it takes to pull in the middle. The question is whether it deflates the base turnout.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (Cus5s)

No, no, and absolutely. When the person who becomes Trump's running mate is instantly catapulted to the top of the GOP ticket in '28, there is no way that this person should be a Democrat. Tim Scott would be bad enough, but either RFK Jr. or Tulsi would be disasters.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 14, 2024 03:18 PM (r/UPX)

133 I believe Khan inflicted it on the minor Star Trek character who isn't a flaming homosexual long before this reference came into being.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 14, 2024 03:01 PM (U7wke)


This looks like a job for me
So everybody, just follow me
'Cause we need a big lizard all rubbery
Sidebar's empty without me

Posted by: the slow news day gorn rap at May 14, 2024 03:18 PM (gKWVE)

134 Lets see the medical reports! Biden, Trump, Harris. Oh thats right. Secret ballots, HIPAA and, most of all attorney client privilege.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at May 14, 2024 03:18 PM (as3uC)

135 130 I can't say I disagree in some semblance of a theory, but on balance I think RFK pulls more votes from Biden than Trump. Any "Trump voter" who not only doesn't vote for Trump, but who pulls the lever for a Democrat, just wasn't ever gonna vote for Trump in the first place.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 03:17 PM (iFTx/)

========

If I had to guess, I'd say that it'd be something like 65-35 Biden/Trump in terms of preference.

But, "I hate the direction of the nation but Trump is just too dramatic," is apparently a real thing.

I see it here pretty much every day.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:18 PM (GBKbO)

136 Hmm... is showing Trump ahead in the polls a mobilization tactic? Maybe they don't want another 2016 50 Points Ahead surprise. Just spitballing.

Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:18 PM (9yFRo)

137 103 Ramaswamy doesn't concern me, but, the scorned scrunt needs to be given less attention by big $ donors.
Her continued presence in the 2024 race is nauseating.
Posted by: old chick at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (F3Dlr)

Is it about 2024 or defining the post Trump Republican Party? If Trump wins, the uniparty will dig in and try to block him and wait him out again, but if the Chamber of Commerce and Friends is right back in the driver's seat in five years, the whole freakin' thing means nothing.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 14, 2024 03:19 PM (z+89e)

138 Biden will be the nominee. But RFK is popular with a lot of younger Dems and "independents" (read: moderate Dem voters).

It makes a certain amount of sense for Trump supporters in new media to signal-boost RFK as much as possible. He is *not* going to pull more Trump votes than Biden ones.

I know that Ace thinks the opposite, but I strongly believe the opposite.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 14, 2024 03:19 PM (0FoWg)

139 Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 14, 2024 03:08 PM (U7wke)

"Not Fan Dumb Ron" troll needs to take a chill pill and practice mindful breathing or something.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 14, 2024 03:19 PM (XkYcA)

140 Back Bay beaneating Masshole's will vote for RFK.
Which is a good thing.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 14, 2024 03:19 PM (aFNOf)

141 Show of hands: those of you who think Vivek, Biden, Harris and RFK Jr. believe their own press. Me too.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at May 14, 2024 03:20 PM (as3uC)

142 I am trying to understand the controversy here. Some guy who used to work for Vivek's campaign started a political conulting/services company, and he is now doing work for a different campaign.

Is this supposed to make us distrust Vivek? Or all political messaging (hint already distrust!)

Posted by: blaster at May 14, 2024 03:20 PM (xhfG9)

143 I can't say I disagree in some semblance of a theory, but on balance I think RFK pulls more votes from Biden than Trump. Any "Trump voter" who not only doesn't vote for Trump, but who pulls the lever for a Democrat, just wasn't ever gonna vote for Trump in the first place.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 03:17 PM (iFTx/)

I see a dyed-in-the-wool liberal never voting for Trump, even if the country is burning down around them. They'd never be able to live with their guilty consciences. Better for them to vote for RFK Jr. and hope that the country gets better under Trump. If it does, they can go on with their liberal worldview undisturbed, knowing that they voted with their heart; they would never vote for Biden again.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 14, 2024 03:20 PM (r/UPX)

144 I do think this demo is bigger than the one I keep inventing (?), but I just don't dismiss the idea that there are some Trump voters who are happy with RFK as a protest vote.

Also, 3rd party candidates have been massively underperforming their polls for decades. Voters come home.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:14 PM (GBKbO)
______
Yes. I know of disgusted conservatives who just might jump to RFK if Trump does something to piss them off. Makes no sense to me, but there it is.

Posted by: Eeyore at May 14, 2024 03:20 PM (1bNHn)

145 I would add another issue that weighs in favor of RFK pulling more votes from Biden than Trump: liberal Jews who hate Biden's ass-kissing of murderous Muslim head-chopping goat-fuckers, but who can't under any circumstances vote for GOP. Do these Jews vote RFK instead? I don't know the answer to that. But the theory sounds sound.

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 03:20 PM (iFTx/)

146 This $8k for "influencing" as a scandal is lamer than claiming $100k in FB ads "hacked" the 2016 election.

Anyone who falls for it still has a worm's hole leaking from their head ...

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 14, 2024 03:21 PM (g9W3m)

147 I'm something of whatyamight call a Boys Band influencer myself!

Posted by: Prof Harold Hill at May 14, 2024 03:21 PM (4I/2K)

148 I see Vivek almost every day on X or elsewhere. In the courtroom with Trump today. He was leading a poll on the Benny Johnson website with VP candidates.

He seems very very real.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 14, 2024 03:12 PM (RKVpM)

Vivek was on the Patrick Bet David podcast, and PBD was trying to tease him out, without asking the question directly.

I get the impression Vivek is not gunning for the Veep job. I think he knows, and PBD knows, being brown and Hindu could potentially hurt Trump.

But PBD's sidekicks are kinda dumb, and they say dumb things all the time, ask dumb questions, so it's like two different conversations were going on there, and I didn't listen to the whole thing.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:21 PM (dGCAG)

149 Republicans again: Here, will another $60 billion in weapons contractor kickbacks help?
Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:13 PM (dGCAG)

Yup. Republicans will always throw your tax $$ at any problem that they face in the press...it's like a talisman or a defeat of that devil media that they fear, oh so much...ugh.

Posted by: Boswell at May 14, 2024 03:21 PM (K+UlC)

150 144 Yes. I know of disgusted conservatives who just might jump to RFK if Trump does something to piss them off. Makes no sense to me, but there it is.
Posted by: Eeyore at May 14, 2024 03:20 PM (1bNHn)

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He might say that WWII dead buried at Normandy were dummies!

Or he might tear up classified documents and try to flush them down the toilet!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:21 PM (GBKbO)

151 Just assume everyone is getting paid and is specifically being paid to screw you over.



==


👍

Posted by: runner at May 14, 2024 03:21 PM (V13WU)

152
How much longer can the Kennedys live off Camelot? Does anyone under the age of "29" even know what tf it is, much less feel it in their gut?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at May 14, 2024 03:21 PM (zesPN)

153 How long was it and how did you handle not choking the presenter?
Posted by: NR Pax at May 14, 2024 03:15 PM (BZQ9D)

"90" minutes. Actually 3 hours.
My wife was with me. She's my Jiminy Cricket.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 14, 2024 03:22 PM (FCbAQ)

154 Not Fan Dumb Ron" troll needs to take a chill pill and practice mindful breathing or something.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I don’t know, spewing irrational thoughts is sort of a more honest approach than the concern trolls.

Posted by: Kratwurst at May 14, 2024 03:22 PM (oQmdr)

155 37 What’s important about this?
I suppose it’s to pull the curtain back on alleged GOP staffers and consultants who are just Democrat tools playing games with GOP voters.
Posted by: Lizzy
========
This has been true for a very long time. The Dems on Capitol Hill were owned by the donors and interest groups for a very long time after the Great Depression. The GOP members were an afterthought.

Once the GOP finally broke through in the House in 1994, all that grifting corporate and oligarch money became available for the first time and the GOP essentially sold itself out to donors and corporate interest groups. Like shit attracts flies, so does money in politics and it attracts staffers and members of Congress.

None of elites with rare exceptions believes in anything other than expediency anymore so looting comes naturally. That applies to allegedly "conservative" or 'libertarian' organizations, media, GOP party apparatus, legal societies, and officeholders. The higher one goes in DC, the more likely they are a lizard person in a skinsuit whether Democrat or Republican.

Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024 03:22 PM (Z+tXy)

156 -
Hmm... is showing Trump ahead in the polls a mobilization tactic? Maybe they don't want another 2016 50 Points Ahead surprise. Just spitballing.
Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:18 PM -
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I think along these lines as well.
Just part of "the game".

Posted by: irright at May 14, 2024 03:23 PM (s3qw3)

157 I can't say I disagree in some semblance of a theory, but on balance I think RFK pulls more votes from Biden than Trump. Any "Trump voter" who not only doesn't vote for Trump, but who pulls the lever for a Democrat, just wasn't ever gonna vote for Trump in the first place.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 03:17 PM (iFTx/)

I see a dyed-in-the-wool liberal never voting for Trump, even if the country is burning down around them. They'd never be able to live with their guilty consciences. Better for them to vote for RFK Jr. and hope that the country gets better under Trump. If it does, they can go on with their liberal worldview undisturbed, knowing that they voted with their heart; they would never vote for Biden again.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 14, 2024 03:20 PM (r/UPX)
________

Yea, that's kind of my theory as well

Posted by: Elric Blade at May 14, 2024 03:23 PM (iFTx/)

158 I unfortunately started watching St Elmo’s Fire again after seeing it 30 or so years ago . There is a part where Judd Nelson announces he is going to go work for a Republican Congressman. The group made fun of him for his immoral ambition. I didn’t get any further.

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:23 PM (MNhXM)

159 I assume "Trump voters" who would vote for RFK are largely apolitical in terms of policy but have more warm squishy thoughts about the Democrat Party of old than anything else. They're cultural Democrats who rarely vote, Trump got them to vote once or twice, and now they want RFK because Camelot.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda


I think I can assume rightly that you were not born before 1963, when Kennedy was assassinated. "Camelot" was a PR construction created by Ted Sorenson, Pierre Salinger, Jackie Kennedy, etc to make "warm" memories of a somewhat incompetent President. It was never "Camelot" when he was alive and in office.

This is not an implied criticism of your comment, but merely something I wanted to say out loud....and there you go, I said it.

Posted by: Another precinct heard from..... at May 14, 2024 03:23 PM (vcOmj)

160 Camelot and progressives checklist: infidelty? yep. cover up? yep. scandal? yep needless death of valiant innocents? yep. But its none of my business? yep

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at May 14, 2024 03:23 PM (as3uC)

161 I won't know what to think about this until blago informs me why this is Trump's fault. Because you know it is.

Trump train. Hop on!

Posted by: Outside of Life at May 14, 2024 03:23 PM (89Sog)

162 You want to know what is funny?

The county fairs and gatherings this fall in deep blue areas will have larger manned booths of volunteers for RFK Jr than the Democrats.

But we're supposed to think he's pulling votes from Trump .....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 14, 2024 03:24 PM (g9W3m)

163 Camelot? 'Tis a silly place.

Posted by: Patsy at May 14, 2024 03:24 PM (4I/2K)

164 Aaaand finally: its all your fault? yep.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at May 14, 2024 03:24 PM (as3uC)

165
Posted by: blaster at May 14, 2024 03:20 PM (xhfG9)

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I agree. Not seeing Daily Caller's salacious scoop here.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at May 14, 2024 03:25 PM (zesPN)

166 158 I unfortunately started watching St Elmo’s Fire again after seeing it 30 or so years ago . There is a part where Judd Nelson announces he is going to go work for a Republican Congressman. The group made fun of him for his immoral ambition. I didn’t get any further.
Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:23 PM (MNhXM)

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I have just added Joel Schumacher to the list! Never seen St. Elmo's Fire, so it'll be a first.

Many moons in the future, though. 6 or so. Right after Michael Powell (and Emeric Pressburger).

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:25 PM (GBKbO)

167 >>Yes. I know of disgusted conservatives who just might jump to RFK if Trump does something to piss them off. Makes no sense to me, but there it is.

Then he isn't a conservative, disgusted or otherwise. RFK is a hardcore leftist and always has been no matter what he is pretending to be now.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 14, 2024 03:25 PM (LkLld)

168 I heard on AM talk radio this morning that the pundits are claiming that rfk is going to pull more votes from Trump than he will from biden.


I am going to toss the B$ flag on that, especially after his announcement on supporting abortion up until birth.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 14, 2024 03:25 PM (QNSds)

169 Polls will go back and forth several times before Nov.
As the election draws near, they will show either neck and neck, or Biden with a solid lead.

Posted by: irright at May 14, 2024 03:26 PM (s3qw3)

170 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:25 PM (GBKbO)

Whitest stereotype movie ever made imho.

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:26 PM (MNhXM)

171 158 I unfortunately started watching St Elmo’s Fire again after seeing it 30 or so years ago .

Brat Pack movies, ugh. I tried "Big Chill" and couldn't finish it.

Posted by: st elmo's themesong was crap too at May 14, 2024 03:26 PM (gKWVE)

172 159 I think I can assume rightly that you were not born before 1963, when Kennedy was assassinated. "Camelot" was a PR construction created by Ted Sorenson, Pierre Salinger, Jackie Kennedy, etc to make "warm" memories of a somewhat incompetent President. It was never "Camelot" when he was alive and in office.

This is not an implied criticism of your comment, but merely something I wanted to say out loud....and there you go, I said it.
Posted by: Another precinct heard from..... at May 14, 2024 03:23 PM (vcOmj)

========

I'm definitely not that old, and I understand the narrative construction around it. But, it gives liberals the warm and fuzzies. It's their nostalgia bait, and it obviously has an effect.

Maybe it's not as strong of an effect as "FDR personally gave my daddy a job through the New Deal," but it's still there.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:26 PM (GBKbO)

173
I had (past tense) a father-in-law who owned something like six time shares. He was always trying to pawn one or two off on me.

I don't which of my wife's siblings had to deal with that mess after he died, but it wasn't us.

I want 1/52nd of something like not at all.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 14, 2024 03:26 PM (RKVpM)

174 I wonder if Slinkin' Blinkin might get half a clue, if the Russians blowed up his arse, that the problem with the Uke war isn't Republicans, it's Russia's military superiority.

I'm trying to think of an another example in military history where a nation at war failed to build a planned defense line in a critical area, because all the money allocated to build the defense line was stolen.

I'm not coming up with any other examples.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 14, 2024 03:16 PM (uxCna)

There have been plenty of times that the troops on a frontier have been under-manned and supplied because their officers lied about the number of men in ranks to pocket the pay. But I can't think of one in the middle of a war right now.

Posted by: Oldcat at May 14, 2024 03:27 PM (eoQWY)

175 125 I wondered about how many times influencers where getting paid by the DeSantis campaign.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 14

Who knows and why would it be any different than any other marketing? This is a method marketing is done in our current times. I get pinged all the time for fitness clothes to be worn and posted on my business instagram account. The goal is to look like you are wearing brand x out there in the wild and others ask you about it. I took kachava up on their offer to sponsor a challenge. And now I am hooked on their product, darn them!


Posted by: Piper at May 14, 2024 03:27 PM (CM7zZ)

176 How many people here consider themselves "conservative"? Hell, in the previous thread Ace said he was ready to pull out one boob, grab a torch and a French flag cause a ruckus - figuratively speaking.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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I prefer the slur of reactionary or ci-devant as far as my politics are concerned.

Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024 03:27 PM (Z+tXy)

177
The damned thing's in my ear!

Posted by: RFK Jr. at May 14, 2024 03:27 PM (t1fZA)

178 I wonder if RFK could hand Trump a fancy surprise state. Probably not but cool to think about.

Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:27 PM (9yFRo)

179 Absolutely perfect.

>>Eric Adams suggests migrants could fill NYC’s lifeguard shortage — because ‘they’re excellent swimmers’

https://tinyurl.com/5hcu5tdt

Posted by: JackStraw at May 14, 2024 03:27 PM (LkLld)

180 RFK doesn't hurt Trump - he hurts Punchy - just watch who is against RFK and suggests he's some sort of Satan...it's all been Punchy supporters/campaign up until now - they ain't stupid when it comes to electing their horde. Negative press isn't really coming from the Trump campaign and his minions so far.

By the way, I've noticed that Fox has gone "sour" on RFK recently, this is probably directed by the Murdochs - tells you all as to what you need to know....

Posted by: Boswell at May 14, 2024 03:28 PM (K+UlC)

181 Sorry I missed the Nanzi thread downstairs.

There at that debate one may observe more than one "fascist moment" but Pelosi lacks all self-awareness that she is the fascist.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 14, 2024 03:28 PM (RIvkX)

182 181 Sorry I missed the Nanzi thread downstairs.

There at that debate one may observe more than one "fascist moment" but Pelosi lacks all self-awareness that she is the fascist.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 14, 2024 03:28 PM (RIvkX)

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Passing the ACA wasn't clue enough for her?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:29 PM (GBKbO)

183 How many people here consider themselves "conservative"? Hell, in the previous thread Ace said he was ready to pull out one boob, grab a torch and a French flag cause a ruckus - figuratively speaking.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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I prefer the slur of reactionary or ci-devant as far as my politics are concerned.
Posted by: whig


Whig, I thought you were a Whig?

Just kidding, man. I get it.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at May 14, 2024 03:29 PM (vcOmj)

184 Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 14, 2024 03:28 PM (RIvkX)

Was it you that warned about Kamala all those years ago??

Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:29 PM (9yFRo)

185 Is it about 2024 or defining the post Trump Republican Party? ... but if the Chamber of Commerce and Friends is right back in the driver's seat in five years, the whole freakin' thing means nothing.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls,

This, absolutely, the focus is being blurred and 2028 will either be Trump's vp choice or Nicki Halley if she's allowed to build her war chest and support.
She's a threat to this country because she's continuing with vengeance.
She scares me and so do her supporters.

Posted by: old chick at May 14, 2024 03:29 PM (F3Dlr)

186 've sat through two. I'll probably sit through a third within the next year.

It's an hour or so of some pretty hard-pressure sales (thought neither guy was exactly intense or mean about it), and then you get to enjoy your discounted hotel price for the rest of the trip.

Our four night hotel in Maui was for $1000 total. Worth it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:17 PM (GBKbO)
===

I went to a time share sales thing in Mexico once and dressed in holey shirt and shorts. The guy sat down with me and said I should just give you the vouchers now and not waste my time? I said that would be smart and he gave me the vouchers.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at May 14, 2024 03:30 PM (17s+e)

187 175 125 I wondered about how many times influencers where getting paid by the DeSantis campaign.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 14

Who knows and why would it be any different than any other marketing? This is a method marketing is done in our current times. I get pinged all the time for fitness clothes to be worn and posted on my business instagram account. The goal is to look like you are wearing brand x out there in the wild and others ask you about it. I took kachava up on their offer to sponsor a challenge. And now I am hooked on their product, darn them!


Posted by: Piper
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If you cannot see the difference between politics and corporate marketing, no one can help you.

Influencer garbage including taking money under the table in politics leads to no one trusting anyone which leads to a strong national government of an authoritarian stripe--something along the lines of Syria under Assad.

Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024 03:30 PM (Z+tXy)

188 Judd was voting straight democrat since the crib, whatever did happen to him after New Jack City,

since his character was a dealer, well more like Hunter or Ferraro spawn,

Posted by: no 6 at May 14, 2024 03:30 PM (PXvVL)

189 I'm definitely not that old, and I understand the narrative construction around it. But, it gives liberals the warm and fuzzies. It's their nostalgia bait, and it obviously has an effect.

Maybe it's not as strong of an effect as "FDR personally gave my daddy a job through the New Deal," but it's still there.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:26 PM (GBKbO)

Maybe it gives the old ones the thrills, but Camelot was waning fast when Teddy was dithering about running or not running for a decade or so until he gained 500 pounds. And the next gen was politically a zero. So basically Camelot gave a boost to Bobby until he got shot, and hardly boosted Teddy much and that was that.

Posted by: Oldcat at May 14, 2024 03:30 PM (eoQWY)

190 168 I heard on AM talk radio this morning that the pundits are claiming that rfk is going to pull more votes from Trump than he will from biden.


I am going to toss the B$ flag on that, especially after his announcement on supporting abortion up until birth.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 14, 2024 03:25 PM (QNSds)

The man's a male Kennedy. Of course he would support abortion up until birth.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 14, 2024 03:31 PM (r/UPX)

191 Biden will be the nominee. But RFK is popular with a lot of younger Dems and "independents" (read: moderate Dem voters).

It makes a certain amount of sense for Trump supporters in new media to signal-boost RFK as much as possible. He is *not* going to pull more Trump votes than Biden ones.

I know that Ace thinks the opposite, but I strongly believe the opposite.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 14, 2024 03:19 PM (0FoWg)

Shortly after this Palestinian thing kicked off, RFK gave a full throated, total support for Israel, and the United States pumping in all the cash they need position.

It's been said (whether one agrees with RFK on this point or not), that if he had taken the opposite position, if he had said "look, what happened on Oct. 7 was terrible, and there should be consequences, but it is not the business of the United States to fund wars all over the globe."

Or something like that, he might right now be the front runner to win the White House in November.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:31 PM (dGCAG)

192 >>I prefer the slur of reactionary or ci-devant as far as my politics are concerned.

I'm a House Party Enthusiast.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 14, 2024 03:31 PM (LkLld)

193 Operation Wetback was a winner for both Mexico and the US. Mexico wanted them back working in THEIR fields.

Posted by: I Like Ike at May 14, 2024 03:31 PM (qk2kB)

194 I am going to toss the B$ flag on that, especially after his announcement on supporting abortion up until birth.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 14, 2024 03:25 PM (QNSds)

This is a fact.

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:31 PM (MNhXM)

195 Biden tells a second news agency that inflation was at 9% when he took office.

http://tiny.cc/gvx2yz

Posted by: bonhomme at May 14, 2024 03:32 PM (Odg76)

196 I get the impression Vivek is not gunning for the Veep job. I think he knows, and PBD knows, being brown and Hindu could potentially hurt Trump.

But PBD's sidekicks are kinda dumb, and they say dumb things all the time, ask dumb questions, so it's like two different conversations were going on there, and I didn't listen to the whole thing.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:21 PM (dGCAG)

He did a podcast with Andrew Schultz also. He said he wanted to take a chainsaw to the Federal behemoth (my words, not his) and if he couldn't do that as VP, he didn't want to be VP. He did allude he may be open to a different role if it let him drastically cut the Federal Government down to size.

I'm starting to think that may be our only hope. Slash the Fed Gov in half and scatter the half we keep across the country. You'll still have to deal with entitlements, but not simultaneously.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 14, 2024 03:32 PM (z+89e)

197 189 Maybe it gives the old ones the thrills, but Camelot was waning fast when Teddy was dithering about running or not running for a decade or so until he gained 500 pounds. And the next gen was politically a zero. So basically Camelot gave a boost to Bobby until he got shot, and hardly boosted Teddy much and that was that.
Posted by: Oldcat at May 14, 2024 03:30 PM (eoQWY)

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I imagine that 65+ Democrats who hate the modern party, have memories of their parents lauding Kennedys for decades, and fear covid more than the Last Judgment might have voted for Trump once and then will run to a Kennedy, any Kennedy.

Again, I don't think this is a huge population, probably dwarfed by the more dedicated Democrats who would vote for Biden.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:32 PM (GBKbO)

198 Since I'm over 29, I can't see "influencers" doing any real advertising or sales of products but today's kids are strong on stupid.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at May 14, 2024 03:32 PM (17s+e)

199 I am going to toss the B$ flag on that, especially after his announcement on supporting abortion up until birth.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)


I think he tried to walk that back yesterday. FAIL.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at May 14, 2024 03:32 PM (aFNOf)

200 Whig, I thought you were a Whig?

Just kidding, man. I get it.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.....
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My whiggism is of the 17th century British variety and not the later American Whig party. The American Whig party failed its one big test which was slavery and its failure contributed to the coming Civil War.

Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024 03:32 PM (Z+tXy)

201
Vivek's name sounds like he should be a brand of digital camera rather than presidential contender.

Or, maybe...a high-powered dandruff shampoo.

Get rid of those annoying white flakes forever with Vivek!

That works.

That being said, I do like Vivek.

It got rid of my athlete's foot toot-sweet!

Posted by: naturalfake at May 14, 2024 03:33 PM (eDfFs)

202 Paul Ryan was going to slash government too.

Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:33 PM (9yFRo)

203 198 Since I'm over 29, I can't see "influencers" doing any real advertising or sales of products but today's kids are strong on stupid.

find out over on arstechnica today that there are collectors of rare bitcoins.

*shakes head*

Posted by: anachronda at May 14, 2024 03:33 PM (v3pYe)

204 I am trying to understand the controversy here. Some guy who used to work for Vivek's campaign started a political conulting/services company, and he is now doing work for a different campaign.

Is this supposed to make us distrust Vivek? Or all political messaging (hint already distrust!)

Posted by: blaster at May 14, 2024 03:20 PM (xhfG9)

As I said upthread, it's Daily Caller, it's not supposed to make sense.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:33 PM (dGCAG)

205 aul Ryan was going to slash government too.
Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:33 PM (9yFRo)
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He slashed something.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at May 14, 2024 03:33 PM (Be/+i)

206 I know that Ace thinks the opposite, but I strongly believe the opposite.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 14, 2024 03:19 PM (0FoWg)

I think that RFK Jr. will attract a fair number of NeverTrumpers who would normally vote Biden, but because of his awful first four years are looking for something...anything other than Biden who isn't Trump.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 14, 2024 03:34 PM (d9fT1)

207 I’m a proud independent conservative . I can’t stop other knuckleheads that misrepresent the title.

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:34 PM (MNhXM)

208 I'm just an asshole.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at May 14, 2024 03:34 PM (GBKbO)

209 The man's a male Kennedy. Of course he would support abortion up until birth.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 14, 2024 03:31 PM (
****
They support prefrontal lobotomy too.
Are you listening Joe?

Posted by: torabora at May 14, 2024 03:34 PM (qk2kB)

210 I can't see anyone being a Trump person going to RFK

Posted by: Skip at May 14, 2024 03:34 PM (fwDg9)

211 Biden is a moderate on abortion. He's not for abortion up until birth. He only wants it up to the day before birth.

Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:34 PM (9yFRo)

212 Delusions of grandeur on a large scale cult.
Sounds like fun until your own cult thinks you are too different.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 14, 2024 03:34 PM (J8LnB)

213 find out over on arstechnica today that there are collectors of rare bitcoins.

*shakes head*
Posted by: anachronda at May 14, 2024 03:33 PM (v3pYe)
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Bitcoins can have doublestrikes? Or unusual mint marks?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (Be/+i)

214 "A former Ramaswamy aide" is not Ramaswamy.

Posted by: Ordinary American at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (rIQxo)

215 Who knows and why would it be any different than any other marketing? This is a method marketing is done in our current times. I get pinged all the time for fitness clothes to be worn and posted on my business instagram account. The goal is to look like you are wearing brand x out there in the wild and others ask you about it. I took kachava up on their offer to sponsor a challenge. And now I am hooked on their product, darn them!


Posted by: Piper at May 14, 2024 03:27 PM (CM7zZ)

————

I’m not against it necessarily but there ought to be a “sponsored by” disclaimer. That’s not an undue burden on anyone getting payment.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (2fIO4)

216 Maybe they don't want another 2016 50 Points Ahead surprise. Just spitballing.
Posted by: ...

Sorta.

Polls close as the election approaches. Joementum clinches the deal.

Your candidate just couldn't close the deal rubes.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (JkCto)

217 There have been plenty of times that the troops on a frontier have been under-manned and supplied because their officers lied about the number of men in ranks to pocket the pay. But I can't think of one in the middle of a war right now.

Russia is famously corrupt, and the Russian army is famously corrupt (two Russian generals were recently arrested for corruption, and Defense Secretary Shoigu was kicked upstairs, in part for corruption), but they did manage to build functional defense lines that defeated the Ukrainian army's offensive last summer.

Russia is enough of a functional state that even corrupt people realize that you don't mess with certain expenditures.

I hear Siberian prisons aren't very pleasant.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (uxCna)

218 Total Virility would be a good name for a boner pill.

Posted by: fd at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (vFG9F)

219 The sunspot responsible for the recent auroras just shot off a X8.7 magnitude flare, as it was going behind the sun, which won't effect the Earth but this now results in a total of 23 X-flares for 2024 (25 if your include December of 2023.
The most X-flares on record, Solar Cycle 23, for a year is 34 in 2001 & 27 in 2003 in which both years had two X-flares in excess of X20+ spaceweatherlive.com/en/solar-activity/top-50-solar-flares
NOAA predicted in 2020 the current Solar Maximum as follows: "Solar Cycle 25 is forecast to be a fairly weak cycle, the same strength as cycle 24. Solar maximum is expected in July 2025, with a peak of 115 sunspots"
"Solar Cycle 24 was average in length, at 11 years, and had the 4th-smallest intensity since regular record keeping began with Solar Cycle 1 in 1755. It was also the weakest cycle in 100 years. Solar maximum occurred in April 2014 with sunspots peaking at 114 for the solar cycle, well below average, which is 179."

If you are interested, here are some links to the "current" predictions
https://tinyurl.com/463zzyca
https://tinyurl.com/2njwz937

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (9aVck)

220 More democrats are disgusted by their party leader than republicans. RFK suctions off disgruntled progressives. This is a good thing.

Do you know anyone who vote for PDT twice who is going to now vote for RFK?

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (pAbDW)

221 My whiggism is of the 17th century British variety

Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024 03:32 PM (Z+tXy)


Not a big fan of Catholics?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (d9fT1)

222
2024 is going to be a repeat of 1980. The President then was a total embarrassment and caused everyone, left and right, intense financial pain. The left could not vote for a Reagan but they could vote for a 3rd party candidate who made the right noise.

I think Reagan not only won the popular vote but at least 45 states.

Things are really starting to rhyme.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (RKVpM)

223 >>Or something like that, he might right now be the front runner to win the White House in November.

One of the benefits a 3rd party candidate like RFK has is that the media loves to pretend they are some exotic beast and doesn't really cover them very closely. RFK has been a far left goof all his life. He's also a frigging Kennedy so it's not like he's an outsider, he couldn't be more inside.

If he got the kind of media scrutiny a real candidate gets he would wilt in a week.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 14, 2024 03:36 PM (LkLld)

224 214 "A former Ramaswamy aide" is not Ramaswamy.

Posted by: Ordinary American at May 14, 2024 03:35 PM (rIQxo)

One of my favorite things about Trump was when he'd talk about people like Bloomberg being a consultant's dream. Big pockets, no chance, easy money.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 14, 2024 03:36 PM (KbCG3)

225 I am going to toss the B$ flag on that, especially after his announcement on supporting abortion up until birth.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 14, 2024 03:25 PM (QNSds)

This is a fact.
Posted by: polynikes

Montec and Blago would beg to differ, and think the pro-abortion choice stance is a big winner with a big centrist plurality, maybe a majority.
Me, the whole subject of infanticide appalls me. But those "good" Catholics Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are all in. And I don't know about RFK Jr, but the Kennedy family was primarily Catholic in their religious stances.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at May 14, 2024 03:36 PM (vcOmj)

226 If you cannot see the difference between politics and corporate marketing, no one can help you.

Influencer garbage including taking money under the table in politics leads to no one trusting anyone which leads to a strong national government of an authoritarian stripe--something along the lines of Syria under Assad.
Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024

That was harsh, Whig! But tell me, what is the difference between corporate commercials and vote for me ads on TV? Are they not both designed to get the person watching to do what is being marketed for them to do? Buy product A or vote for Joe Blowhard? Someone in a room is asking how to reach the youths on their turf. Those people are both mad men and political strategists.

I don’t think anyone should do anything under the table here, by the way. It’s marketing. Pay for it like any other marketing.

Posted by: Piper at May 14, 2024 03:36 PM (CM7zZ)

227 find out over on arstechnica today that there are collectors of rare bitcoins.

*shakes head*
Posted by: anachronda at May 14, 2024 03:33 PM (v3pYe)
------------
Bitcoins can have doublestrikes? Or unusual mint marks?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight
===

Some of them have an upside down "S" and are very rare.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at May 14, 2024 03:36 PM (17s+e)

228 Since I'm over 29, I can't see "influencers" doing any real advertising or sales of products but today's kids are strong on stupid.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at May 14, 2024 03:32 PM (17s+e)


Todays kids being stupid is a time honored tradition, dating back at least to when college students ate goldfish.
Todays youth didn't invent stupidity, they inherited it.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at May 14, 2024 03:36 PM (FCbAQ)

229 Paul Ryan was going to slash government too.
Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:33 PM (9yFRo)
******
We just slash whomever passes by us.

Posted by: Smelly Homeless Dudes at May 14, 2024 03:36 PM (qk2kB)

230 Biden's White House spokes-hole Blinken says elections in Ukraine won't take place until Russia doesn't hold any Uke territory. Even if there's a long term ceasefire agreement, there will be no elections.

http://tiny.cc/tvx2yz

Posted by: bonhomme at May 14, 2024 03:36 PM (Odg76)

231 nood

Posted by: m at May 14, 2024 03:36 PM (o3SCB)

232 202 Paul Ryan was going to slash government too.
Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:33 PM (9yFRo)

Yep. Shitweasels exist and I'm not getting my hopes up. Were talking about the same DC that won't stop printing money and is utterly baffled why inflation is bad. We keep putting gasoline on it, why isn't the fire going out?

Pray for peace but prepare for anything but.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at May 14, 2024 03:37 PM (z+89e)

233 Many US """conservatives""" are at least communist-curious. Hence the sympathy for figures such as RFK and, dare I write it, Putin.

Posted by: PG at May 14, 2024 03:37 PM (gQbO4)

234 RFK pulls more votes from Trump than Biden.

Yes. This is why the Biden machine went all out to get RFK excommunicated from the party.

Posted by: blaster at May 14, 2024 03:37 PM (xhfG9)

235 208 I'm just an asshole.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

--------
Ah, you eschew the politics of the bathroom.

Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024 03:38 PM (Z+tXy)

236 I'm just an asshole.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


Quick, stick a gas pump in TJM.

Posted by: bonhomme at May 14, 2024 03:38 PM (Odg76)

237 I just looked in my Bitcoin wallet and it's been robbed!

Posted by: Smelly Homeless Dude at May 14, 2024 03:38 PM (qk2kB)

238 anything other than Biden who isn't Trump.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 14, 2024 03:34 PM (d9fT1)

And don't forget rank and file Dems, either. No matter how much propaganda they push, Brandon has been a disaster as President, everybody can see him dying in front of them, and Harris is the most unlikable bee-yotch since Carrie Nation. I think a nontrivial number of protest votes are in the mix. You can't put enough lipstick on this pig to make even Dem voters like this situation. Most will still vote for him. But nobody is enjoying Brandon's dumpster fire administration.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 14, 2024 03:38 PM (0FoWg)

239 I call myself a conservative because that's what most people would understand most.

Behind it I'm a libertarian minarchist.

However, the current time doesn't call for me or anyone else to be a libertarian minarchist. We have to be conservative activists and maybe start actually conserving what's left of the fading Republic we call home, defeating the hordes of the left that threaten to kill us all in a very literal sense.

Posted by: ballistic at May 14, 2024 03:38 PM (oqH4h)

240 The Old believe everything. The middle aged suspect everything. The young think they know everything. —OW

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:40 PM (MNhXM)

241 The American Whig party failed its one big test which was slavery and its failure contributed to the coming Civil War.
Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024 03:32 PM (Z+tXy)

While I also hold your contempt for the US Whig party - it was the SCOTUS and the spineless President of the US at the time that caused the Civil War...

Posted by: Boswell at May 14, 2024 03:40 PM (K+UlC)

242 So it's okay then to kill puppies just before they are born.
What a nice job too

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at May 14, 2024 03:41 PM (J8LnB)

243 This, absolutely, the focus is being blurred and 2028 will either be Trump's vp choice or Nicki Halley if she's allowed to build her war chest and support.

oh it'll be John Cornyn or some shit sandwich like that. the whole uniparty will wait out Trump's 4 years and it'll go right back to normal until the burning times

Posted by: brak at May 14, 2024 03:41 PM (AR07F)

244 That was harsh, Whig! But tell me, what is the difference between corporate commercials and vote for me ads on TV? Are they not both designed to get the person watching to do what is being marketed for them to do? Buy product A or vote for Joe Blowhard? Someone in a room is asking how to reach the youths on their turf. Those people are both mad men and political strategists.

I don’t think anyone should do anything under the table here, by the way. It’s marketing. Pay for it like any other marketing.
Posted by: Piper
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Ads (even the commercial ones) have who they are for or at least who they are against.

An influencer is someone who claims to be objective but is paid not to be so under the table. Not even as honest as formal endorsements.

This trick is no different than using shills to get people to buy something or agree to something.

Want to claim openly you are paid by the Chi Coms, feel free to be an influencer on Tik Tok. Claim you are pro American when taking money from the Chi Coms is not.

Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024 03:42 PM (Z+tXy)

245 While I also hold your contempt for the US Whig party - it was the SCOTUS and the spineless President of the US at the time that caused the Civil War...
Posted by: Boswell at May 14, 2024 03:40 PM (K+UlC)

The Civil war was in the making since the 1840’s. The Missouri Compromise just delayed it for a bit.

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:43 PM (MNhXM)

246 While I also hold your contempt for the US Whig party - it was the SCOTUS and the spineless President of the US at the time that caused the Civil War...
Posted by: Boswell

The Whig party fell apart because of the Compromise of 1850 which led to the disappearance of the Whigs in the South and the defection of many of its partisans to the Free Soilers, No Nothings, etc.

That left the Dems in charge of the political battlefield between 1852 and 1860 and the Dems kowtowed to slavers and Northern Dems, like our current administration, kept appeasing the slavers rather than the Andy Jackson solution.

Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024 03:45 PM (Z+tXy)

247 206 I know that Ace thinks the opposite, but I strongly believe the opposite.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 14, 2024 03:19 PM (0FoWg)

I think that RFK Jr. will attract a fair number of NeverTrumpers who would normally vote Biden, but because of his awful first four years are looking for something...anything other than Biden who isn't Trump.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 14, 2024 03:34 PM (d9fT1)
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NeverTrumpers are not going to vote for an anti-vaxxer who believes JFK was killed by the CIA.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at May 14, 2024 03:48 PM (9aVck)

248 When describing myself I never use the label "conservative" because it connotates many attributes which I am not.
For one thing I don't want to "conserve" any of these horrible government abuses which have been around for, oh, MY ENTIRE LIFE...
I guess that makes me a radical.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 14, 2024 03:48 PM (MeG8a)

249 Playing up Kennedy as the alternative to the decrepit Biden is like a Dem primary fight.

Reagan 50%
Carter 43%
Anderson 7%

Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at May 14, 2024 03:49 PM (wGerL)

250 oh it'll be John Cornyn or some shit sandwich like that. the whole uniparty will wait out Trump's 4 years and it'll go right back to normal until the burning times
Posted by: brak

imo, Nicki Haley doesn't believe she lost / that she is done in the big race. neither do her donors.
she's planning while others aren't.
Woman, poc, experienced (?) politician, name recognition.
She could very well be the wrench in the works yet.

Posted by: old chick at May 14, 2024 03:51 PM (F3Dlr)

251 125 I wondered about how many times influencers where getting paid by the DeSantis campaign.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
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Any campaign that's trying to make it, any campaign that's faltering is buying influencers. Ask Nikki Haley.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 14, 2024 03:51 PM (lCWOD)

252 The Civil war was in the making since the 1840’s. The Missouri Compromise just delayed it for a bit.
Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2024 03:43 PM (MNhXM)

There was a dozen off ramps between the MC and the Civil War - and the South would have taken them, I think - but the SCOTUS and Buchanan wouldn't allow them - they either appeased the South with regards to slavery, or they sold them a bill of goods suggesting they had some legal 'state's right' to do whatever they were doing.

They had neither. But if both had held firm on the Constitution and suggested a free man share-cropper compromise - the Southern states that objected would have taken it in exchange for state property expansion, in my opinion - and they needed the property expansion desperately. The farmers at that time were most worried about the lack of land to own and farm, not the labor to do it.

Posted by: Boswell at May 14, 2024 03:55 PM (K+UlC)

253 Hmm... is showing Trump ahead in the polls a mobilization tactic? Maybe they don't want another 2016 50 Points Ahead surprise. Just spitballing.

Posted by: ... at May 14, 2024 03:18 PM

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Although Trump always underperforms his pills, I think it's an attempt to have F. Joe Mugabe replaces at the convention.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 14, 2024 03:59 PM (D9NlX)

254 *underperforms his POLLS ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at May 14, 2024 03:59 PM (D9NlX)

255 Just think how much moola Joe Mannix makes from buxom blondes looking for Titan level impressions.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at May 14, 2024 04:01 PM (wGerL)

256 Scott Adams is not a conservative figure.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at May 14, 2024 04:14 PM (w6EFb)

257 (shrugs) Paycheck before party in their eyes.

Hopefully there are as effective for the Democrats like they are for the Republicans, i.e., minimally.

Posted by: ZilWerks at May 14, 2024 04:15 PM (0MpOC)

258 It's been said (whether one agrees with RFK on this point or not), that if he had taken the opposite position, if he had said "look, what happened on Oct. 7 was terrible, and there should be consequences, but it is not the business of the United States to fund wars all over the globe."

Or something like that, he might right now be the front runner to win the White House in November.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 14, 2024 03:31 PM (dGCAG)

There’s my supporter of Whiny, Toothless America.

This country’s ability to project power just fills you with embarrassment and deep shame, doesn’t it?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 14, 2024 05:46 PM (84PaW)

259 I'm a House Party Enthusiast.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 14, 2024 03:31 PM (LkLld)

We’re enthusiasts for a dead man’s party. Who could ask for more?

Posted by: Oingo Boingo at May 14, 2024 05:50 PM (84PaW)

260 Whig, I thought you were a Whig?

Just kidding, man. I get it.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.....
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My whiggism is of the 17th century British variety and not the later American Whig party. The American Whig party failed its one big test which was slavery and its failure contributed to the coming Civil War.
Posted by: whig at May 14, 2024 03:32 PM (Z+tXy)

The American Whig party is best thought of as the Anti Democrat party. In the North it pulled in those that were anti-slavery, but in the South the Whigs were the most aggressive pro-slavery people who though the Democrats weren't going far enough. They tended to have trouble electing Presidents because it only rarely works out to be just against things, you need to actually have a positive part of your program as well. Both of their winning Presidents were ex-military people who didn't have to clarify their positions, in times when there was a break in sectional tensions.

Posted by: Oldcat at May 14, 2024 07:10 PM (eoQWY)

261 They had neither. But if both had held firm on the Constitution and suggested a free man share-cropper compromise - the Southern states that objected would have taken it in exchange for state property expansion, in my opinion - and they needed the property expansion desperately. The farmers at that time were most worried about the lack of land to own and farm, not the labor to do it.
Posted by: Boswell at May 14, 2024 03:55 PM (K+UlC)

The Federal Government didn't have a lot of property in the states pre Civil War and when they got some (like defeating Indian tribes) they pretty much sold it off quickly. It was the North that had more men willing to move West to get their own farm cheaply and the South opposed what would be the Homestead Act very strongly.

Posted by: Oldcat at May 14, 2024 07:16 PM (eoQWY)

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