Woke Extremist Minneapolis City Council Demands $30.60/Hour Minimum Wage for Uber and Lyft Drivers; Uber and Lyft Both Announce They Will Abandon Minneapolis

Faced with public anger about driving out the popular ride-share services, the woke extremists of the city council say they may delay when the order goes into effect.

But they're only doing that to allow other ride-share companies -- are there any? -- to enter the Minneapolis market.

By the way, I base the headline claim of a $30.60 per hour minimum wage on the city council's demand that drivers be paid a minimum 51 cents per minute when ferrying passengers.

With Uber and Lyft threatening to cease operations in Minneapolis on May 1 over a minimum wage ordinance, the City Council is considering pushing the implementation date back in a meeting on Thursday.
Council members Elliott Payne, Katie Cashman and Aurin Chowdhury are seeking to push back the implementation date to July 1, giving more time for new ride-hailing apps to enter the market.
During the council meeting, co-authors are also said to be bringing a notice of intent to amend the ordinance to include offering fare transparency and data disclosures. Furthermore, council member Andrea Jenkins may bring an amendment or motion to dismiss the minimum wage ordinance all together, according to a release on Wednesday.

California recently imposed a $20/hour minimum wage for fast food workers. There's now a $16/hour minimum wage for all other jobs.

Companies immediately began firing workers and closing down stores.

California fast-food chains are laying off workers, raising prices and deciding against opening new stores as the state implements a minimum wage that is more than 175% higher than that required by the federal government.

California implemented a minimum wage for all workers at $16 per hour effective Jan. 1, 2024, although some individual municipalities have implemented higher minimum wage requirements. The new $20-an-hour minimum wage that goes into effect Monday only applies to fast-food workers, who will see their hourly wages rise by as much as 25%.
All fast-food employees, regardless of age, will see a $20 an hour minimum wage in California. This is significantly higher than the federal minimum wage of $7.25 for adults and the youth minimum wage of $4.25, which applies to employees under the age of 20 during their first 90 consecutive days of work with an employer.
Alex Johnson, who owns 10 Auntie Anne's Pretzels and Cinnabon bakeries across the San Francisco Bay Area said his sales have slowed down in 2024, forcing him to layoff employees and even use his parents to help with human resources, according to The Associated Press.

The wage increase will cost Johnson about $470,000 annually, so he plans on raising prices between 5% and 15%. He is also no longer hiring new employees or looking to open more stores.

A pizza chain announced the closure of five stores in California.

Apizza chain shuttered some of its California locations before the state boosted the minimum wage for fast food workers earlier this month.
Mod Pizza, which has 500 locations nationwide, closed five shops in the state at the end of March, according to local Fox affiliate KMPH.
Those shops were among the over two dozen locations that the company closed across the nation. The company did not specify a reason, but workers in Clovis, whose shop abruptly closed, told the outlet they suspected that the California closures had to do with the new law that took effect in April....

Analysts forecast that this law will gift California with increased unemployment for years.

That's putting it in the best possible light.

Libertarian economist Scott Sumner, a California resident, believes the new mandate could hobble the economy beyond just the state's cost of doing business--it could make the state's unemployment rate higher for the long term.
"If California has more rules that increase costs for businesses--maybe mandating worker benefits or regulations that just make it more costly to do business in California--that could slightly increase the natural rate of unemployment," Sumner told Fortune.
The "natural rate of unemployment" refers to an economic concept that is often confusing to normal people, to wit: Even an economy at full employment includes a small number of unemployed workers, often new entrants to the workforce or people switching from one job to another. It's "the rate at which the unemployment rate settles when the economy itself is relatively stable," as Sumner put it.
Classic economic theory holds that the natural rate of unemployment is related to wages, and that, as wages go up, businesses trying to keep their profit margins may cut employees' hours or lay them off. Higher wages in theory also means that businesses are going to have a higher bar for their workers. After all, if they're paying more money, Sumner argued, they should be getting their money's worth.
"There would be quite a few workers who simply would not be profitable to be hired at $40 an hour," Sumner speculated. "And so there are obvious limits to what you can do in terms of artificially raising wages."

Sky-high inflation and mass layoffs -- man, this Bidenomics Economy is fantastic!

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Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:14 PM (vtyCZ)

2 Don't tell California

Posted by: It's me donna at April 10, 2024 03:14 PM (Akjoo)

3 But I can't afford coming here at current minimum wage!

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:14 PM (vtyCZ)

4 Get it good and hard motherfuckers

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at April 10, 2024 03:15 PM (sMwSS)

5 The laws of economics remains unyielding.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 10, 2024 03:16 PM (YwyqV)

6 I thought Uber/left were just 'ride share' where you just kick in some gas money.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 10, 2024 03:16 PM (3vcct)

7 Minnesota is a complete lost cause... No socially or other redeeming features

Posted by: It's me donna at April 10, 2024 03:16 PM (Akjoo)

8 It's okay. California will fix this by banning restaurants from shutting down.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 10, 2024 03:16 PM (rcsB3)

9 Lots of TV commercials for at home pizza ovens. No Ap needed, no delivery charges.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 10, 2024 03:16 PM (0EOe9)

10 They should pass a law making it illegal to close stores.

Posted by: brak at April 10, 2024 03:16 PM (25k9m)

11
Alternate post title:

The Wheelbarrows Full Of Dollars To Buy Bread In The U.S. Is Actually Coming In Our Lifetime

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2024 03:17 PM (pP2vl)

12 "Faced with public anger about driving out the popular ride-share services, the woke extremists of the city council say they may delay when the order goes into effect.

But they're only doing that to allow other ride-share companies -- are there any? -- to enter the Minneapolis market."

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest there's some Muslim owned company out there that wants the biz.

This is Minnesotastan, after all.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:17 PM (dGCAG)

13 336 334 4 people in custody after mass shooting in Ramadan event in Philadelphia
Posted by: redridinghood at April 10, 2024 03:11 PM (NpAcC)

Amish ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 10, 2024 03:12 PM (Akjoo)
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172 Used to make "Amish friendship bread" muffins in that flavor.
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The type the Amish give their suicide-bombers before carrying out their mission??
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 10:07 AM

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:17 PM (vtyCZ)

14 The price of fast food now will be self-selecting towards their extinction..

Posted by: tubal at April 10, 2024 03:17 PM (PCK5/)

15 Reap me.

Posted by: The Whirlwind at April 10, 2024 03:17 PM (aD39U)

16 Do they still have that cutout for Newsome's buddy at Panera?

Posted by: Flyguy at April 10, 2024 03:17 PM (OYxA4)

17 Call out the mobs to tear down the statues of Adam Smith.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (BCelm)

18 MUAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Big Taxi at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (HnUIn)

19 Otters called although they still seem busy in the other thread.

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (vtyCZ)

20 Moldbug asked "What happens if Google goes to war against France?"

I think we see who is outmaneuvering whom. I'm hoping Elon can flip Brazil.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (cf/0E)

21 Why are the people I always vote for no matter what doing these terrible things to me?!?

Posted by: Ice Californians of the Midwest at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (Ao3fE)

22 The price spread between going out for a steak and buying a good steak to cook at home has made the former a ridiculous expense.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (aD39U)

23 7 Minnesota is a complete lost cause... No socially or other redeeming features
Posted by: It's me donna a

I've been saying that for many years. Give that scandi shithole to Canada. All of it.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (eYF7X)

24
This is why gavin cockscuker newsome will NEVER be the D nominee.

However! However, expect that rotten closet-fag newsome to make a fake statement opposing this to make him look fake "moderate."

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (pP2vl)

25 But they're only doing that to allow other ride-share companies -- are there any? -- to enter the Minneapolis market.

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Achmed's "I Keel You" Taxi Service is tanned, rested, and ready!

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 10, 2024 03:19 PM (df90r)

26 Why stop at $30 and hour? I would demand $50 an hour then a uber ride of a couple of blocks would cost over $100.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 10, 2024 03:19 PM (QNSds)

27 336 334 4 people in custody after mass shooting in Ramadan event in Philadelphia
Posted by: redridinghood at April 10, 2024 03:11 PM (NpAcC)

Amish ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 10, 2024 03:12 PM (Akjoo)

Guessing it was a Sunni-Shiite feud that spilled over, and I am basing that on absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 10, 2024 03:19 PM (rcsB3)

28 I gave up franchise fast food joints about a year ago… truly, no value for the money..

Posted by: tubal at April 10, 2024 03:19 PM (PCK5/)

29 Is there a Ray Kroc statue the crowd can tear down?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 10, 2024 03:19 PM (0EOe9)

30 They should pass a law making it illegal to close stores.
Posted by: brak

There is such a law in committee in San Francisco.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 10, 2024 03:19 PM (BCelm)

31 California implemented a minimum wage for all workers at $16 per hour effective Jan. 1, 2024, although some individual municipalities have implemented higher minimum wage requirements. The new $20-an-hour minimum wage that goes into effect Monday only applies to fast-food workers, who will see their hourly wages rise by as much as 25%.
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50% of them will see their wages rise by less than 25%, since only the top performers who already earn a bit more won't be fired and replaced with automation - except for the stores that just close and fire everybody, of course.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:19 PM (HnUIn)

32 giving more time for new ride-hailing apps to enter the market.

We're going to form a worker-based ride-hailing cooperative that won't exploit anybody, Maaaan!

Note: There are, in fact, people who think that this will actually happen.

Posted by: The Left! at April 10, 2024 03:19 PM (YAtuc)

33 15 Reap me.
Posted by: The Whirlwind at April 10, 2024 03:17 PM (aD39U)

Indeed, my dear. The reaping is about to begin.

Posted by: Alternate Universe Sean Connery at April 10, 2024 03:20 PM (Ao3fE)

34 They wanted to live there, so I will point and laugh once they're homeless and covered in filth.

Reap the Whirlwind.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:20 PM (UnA8+)

35 The elites don't want us to drive.

They don't want others to ferry us around.

They want us to walk.

Or, preferably, to die.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 10, 2024 03:20 PM (7fElN)

36 Democrats hate Uber/Lyft because they're devaluing the taxi medallion grift every large city runs.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2024 03:20 PM (2ocoG)

37 They should pass a law making it illegal to close stores.
Posted by: brak at April 10, 2024 03:16 PM (25k9m)

*touches nose*

Posted by: San Francisco at April 10, 2024 03:20 PM (aD39U)

38 Cinnabon?

What does Saul Goodman have to say about that?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 10, 2024 03:20 PM (J2vNu)

39 I always like to see lefties slapped by the invisible hand.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 10, 2024 03:21 PM (BCelm)

40 35 The elites don't want us to drive.

They don't want others to ferry us around.

They want us to walk.

Or, preferably, to die.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 10, 2024 03:20 PM (7fElN)

We should want them dead just as much as they want us dead.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:21 PM (UnA8+)

41 Also, Uber and Lyft should be limos only. By law.

Posted by: I deserve the best at a reasonable price at April 10, 2024 03:21 PM (Ao3fE)

42 The true minimum wage is zero.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 10, 2024 03:21 PM (BxvY+)

43 The retort to raising the minimum wage hasn’t changed.

If $20 hour is good and won’t effect employment and businesses then why not $100 /hr?

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:21 PM (MNhXM)

44 >>>Moldbug asked "What happens if Google goes to war against France?"

France surrenders to Google. And to Germany, just in case.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 10, 2024 03:21 PM (rcsB3)

45 What is it with this leftwing obsession with fast-food workers and delivery and Uber drivers? It can't be a coincidence that every leftwing state, city, or county is laser-focused on jacking up minimum wages for these workers, while generally giving other lower-wage workers the Fani-pounder shaft.

What gives? It it because the companies in these industries are generally huge billion-dollar companies (although individually-owned fast-food franchises aren't)? Because most of these workers are illegals? What is so special in the eyes of leftwing shiteaters about these workers?

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 10, 2024 03:22 PM (iFTx/)

46 Heh...anyone else see a problem with determining the cost of a non-professional driver using time instead of distance?

Posted by: Orson at April 10, 2024 03:22 PM (dIske)

47 Reap me.
Posted by: The Whirlwind
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Sow what??

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:22 PM (vtyCZ)

48 Food franchises should charge only what the customer can afford, like Panera Bread...Oh Wait, they stopped that shit when people were only paying pennies for their shitty soup and sandwiches.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 10, 2024 03:22 PM (eYF7X)

49 As this is a development outside my country, I don't give a shit.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 10, 2024 03:22 PM (woPEM)

50 Make Uber a government job and pay them $50 a hour and months off vacation

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2024 03:22 PM (fwDg9)

51 Who in the world goes, "Wait. There's a new market for $30/hr part time taxi employees, let me jump into that"?

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:22 PM (iFMeW)

52
Announcing the answer to Uber and Lyft bailing out of the Twin Cities -- WalKer!

Anyone could do it! Everyone should do it! WalKer!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 10, 2024 03:22 PM (AhnEf)

53 Classic economic theory holds that the natural rate of unemployment is related to wages, and that, as wages go up, businesses trying to keep their profit margins may cut employees' hours or lay them off. ...
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If you completely ignore the cost of capital. *Everything* - service or product - has two fundamental inputs: capital and labor. Some things are inherently capital-intensive (say, railroads) and some things are inherently labor-intensive (say, software development) but everything is a mix of the two and the prices of each cause every business to change its mix within the limits of how far it can push.

Which is why artificially low interest rates have a similar net effect as an artificially high minimum wage: it helps push a capital preference for businesses and incentivize them to change their mix to favor capital cost over labor cost.

Doing both at the same time is hell on labor.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:23 PM (HnUIn)

54 The retort to raising the minimum wage hasn’t changed.

If $20 hour is good and won’t effect employment and businesses then why not $100 /hr?
Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:21 PM (MNhXM)
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The retort will *never* change because as we all know (but the elites don't), the true minimum always has been--and always will be--$0.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 10, 2024 03:23 PM (7fElN)

55 4 people in custody after mass shooting in Ramadan event in Philadelphia
Posted by: redridinghood at April 10, 2024 03:11 PM (NpAcC)

Amish ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 10, 2024 03:12 PM (Akjoo)

Guessing it was a Sunni-Shiite feud that spilled over, and I am basing that on absolutely nothing.
Posted by: Dr. T at April 10, 2024 03:19 PM (rcsB3)

My guess was overzealous Eagles fans, still celebrating their Super Bowl win, but it was too late in the thread for anyone to take the bait on it.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:23 PM (dGCAG)

56 What gives? It it because the companies in these industries are generally huge billion-dollar companies (although individually-owned fast-food franchises aren't)? Because most of these workers are illegals? What is so special in the eyes of leftwing shiteaters about these workers?

Fast food because it's where the icky peasants eat. Ride-sharing because every city has a Democrat-run taxi medallion grift going back 100 years.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2024 03:23 PM (2ocoG)

57
Incidentally, the cheapest cheap gas near me went down to 2.97 a few months ago. It jumped back up to 3,13.

That's a 6% price hike. Or, as I look at it, a 6% cut in pay.

Or, as the fake "experts" see it, it's "healthy sign" of a "good economy."

Yeah, when a cocksucking democrat is in office, rising gas prices are "great" because it means "people are moving" around and "working" and "consuming."

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2024 03:23 PM (pP2vl)

58 except for the stores that just close and fire everybody, of course.

You can also cut back on restaurant hours - places that used to be open 6 AM to 2 AM (20 hours) can cut back to 8 AM to 11 PM (15 hours).

25% less employment.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 10, 2024 03:24 PM (YAtuc)

59 Is there a Ray Kroc statue the crowd can tear down?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 10, 2024 03:19 PM (0EOe9)

The movie about Ray Croc was pretty good but left me with mixed emotions how I feel about him.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:24 PM (MNhXM)

60 I saw Scandi Shithole open for Morbid Devourment at Glam Slam West in '94.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 10, 2024 03:24 PM (df90r)

61 What is it with this leftwing obsession with fast-food workers and delivery and Uber drivers?

Lots of minorities. It's about racial pandering.

Posted by: I've About McFuckin Had It at April 10, 2024 03:24 PM (Ao3fE)

62 45 What gives? It it because the companies in these industries are generally huge billion-dollar companies (although individually-owned fast-food franchises aren't)? Because most of these workers are illegals? What is so special in the eyes of leftwing shiteaters about these workers?
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 10, 2024 03:22 PM (iFTx/)

Bingo.

Every single delivery driver in my area? Muzzie.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:25 PM (UnA8+)

63 When asked about it an elected Democrat replied, "I don't give a fuck and Trump said doody."

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:25 PM (qBHMX)

64 My guess was overzealous Eagles fans, still celebrating their Super Bowl win, but it was too late in the thread for anyone to take the bait on it.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:23 PM (dGCAG)

I mean, do Eagles fans really need an excuse to start shooting everyone?

Posted by: Dr. T at April 10, 2024 03:25 PM (rcsB3)

65 Was nice of them to give a new ride share app a few months to pop up an entire business operation within a new market.

David Hogg could surely lend his expertise at spinning up a business in a matter of minutes.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 10, 2024 03:25 PM (KbCG3)

66 I very much enjoy MOD pizza, like 11$ for personal thin crust pizza with all the toppings you want.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 10, 2024 03:25 PM (CIS44)

67 My guess was overzealous Eagles fans, still celebrating their Super Bowl win, but it was too late in the thread for anyone to take the bait on it.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:23 PM (dGCAG)

I mean, do Eagles fans really need an excuse to start shooting everyone?
Posted by: Dr. T at April 10, 2024 03:25 PM (rcsB3)
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Man, I had a rough day and I hate the fuckin' Eagles!

Posted by: The Dude at April 10, 2024 03:26 PM (Be/+i)

68 What is it with this leftwing obsession with fast-food workers and delivery and Uber drivers?

The Left would love to ban these ride-sharing services, and go back to the taxi monopolies, but they can't admit to that, so they are trying to make the ride-sharing services as uncompetitive as possible.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 10, 2024 03:26 PM (YAtuc)

69 the wages of woke is broke

Posted by: weew at April 10, 2024 03:26 PM (/uwTS)

70 I thought there was an exemption for bakeries or places where they make their own bread?

Panera in particular since they are a big Newsom contributor.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:26 PM (MNhXM)

71 Breaking News:
Biden to announce federally run taxi cabs.

Posted by: wth at April 10, 2024 03:26 PM (v0R5T)

72 Ride-sharing because every city has a Democrat-run taxi medallion grift going back 100 years.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2024 03:23 PM

Yep. Every large city is controlled by democrats and every large city has a union controlled taxi fleet. uber. lyft, etc. have nearly destroyed their domination in big cities.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 10, 2024 03:26 PM (QNSds)

73 When I was a union conscript, I worked in a really high paying shop back in the Ohio Rust Belt. Some new owners bought the place and rumors started flying about them moving things to a more friendly venue. A lot of the guys said "they can't move out all this stuff" and I just mumbled "they brought it in on flat beds, they can move it out on flat beds". And then came the flat beds. Went South about two years later and management would have loved to hire me for skills but no former Union people. Period. Nope. Get lost.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 10, 2024 03:27 PM (0EOe9)

74 Build back better, bitches!

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 10, 2024 03:27 PM (aT619)

75 Who are these other rideshare companies that are going to come in and take over U er and Lyfts business ? Don’t they also have to pay $30 an hour or will they get subsidies?

Posted by: Jen the original at April 10, 2024 03:27 PM (LuQSA)

76 Also, Jon Snow show a no go on HBO.

Credit to some DJ chick on the radio today.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 10, 2024 03:28 PM (aT619)

77 "are there any?"
This remark seems naive. Obviously, every city councillor and the mayor are silent partners or consultants in some harebrained venture capital scheme(s) waiting in the wings.
Timing is important in this business and knowing exactly when this measure will pass will matter a lot.
This is how fortunes are made, in politics.

Posted by: PG at April 10, 2024 03:28 PM (gQbO4)

78 Trust me when I say: When you see a 35+ year old mexican gal taking your order at McDonalds the end is near.

When it's all 35+ year olds. Game over.

Signed,
Ex-californian

Posted by: DOYLE at April 10, 2024 03:28 PM (Z8Yh2)

79 FDR government imposed the first minimum wage laws during the depression.Then as now the true minimum wage is zero.

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:28 PM (FQmDC)

80 A man; a plan; Ramadan!

Something like that anyway.

Fux switched to other snews; CNN begins coverage -- at least five 'injured' in Philly shooting.

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:28 PM (vtyCZ)

81 Government: You people with jobs! Yeah, you! Let us help you by destroying your employer and putting you out of business!

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:28 PM (iFMeW)

82 56 What gives? It it because the companies in these industries are generally huge billion-dollar companies (although individually-owned fast-food franchises aren't)? Because most of these workers are illegals? What is so special in the eyes of leftwing shiteaters about these workers?

Fast food because it's where the icky peasants eat. Ride-sharing because every city has a Democrat-run taxi medallion grift going back 100 years.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2024 03:23 PM (2ocoG)
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The NYC yellow taxi industry is treated far worse than the app-ride companies. Uber and the rest at least had tons of money to spread around in graft.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (iFTx/)

83 75 Who are these other rideshare companies that are going to come in and take over U er and Lyfts business ? Don’t they also have to pay $30 an hour or will they get subsidies?
Posted by: Jen the original

LaRaza Cab ?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (eYF7X)

84 Companies immediately began firing workers and closing down stores.

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Unexpectedly!

"Unfortunately, the real minimum wage is always zero, regardless of the laws, and that is the wage that many workers receive in the wake of the creation or escalation of a government-mandated minimum wage, because they lose their jobs or fail to find jobs when they enter the labor force. Making it illegal to pay less than a given amount does not make a worker’s productivity worth that amount—and, if it is not, that worker is unlikely to be employed." -- Thomas Sowell

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (df90r)

85 Breaking News:
Biden to announce federally run taxi cabs.
Posted by: wth at April 10, 2024 03:26 PM (v0R5T)

And strangely enough, Nazi Pelousy's hammerhead husband JUST bought stock in Yellow Cab yesterday.

He so smert.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (dGCAG)

86 Panera has got to be the biggest food scam going. They charge the earth for incredibly basic and below average catering level food.

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (qBHMX)

87 61 What is it with this leftwing obsession with fast-food workers and delivery and Uber drivers?

Lots of minorities. It's about racial pandering.
Posted by: I've About McFuckin Had It at April

I think it’s more leftist millennials who can’t seem to comprehend entry level job leading to getting a real job and this socialist concept that everyone should be able to afford to live on their own whether they are the ketchup squeezer or the owner. What they can’t figure out, because math, is if you pay everyone more the cost of living goes up and it’s back to square one, just with less jobs now than what was there to start.

Posted by: Piper at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (ZdaMQ)

88 "The NYC yellow taxi industry is treated far worse than the app-ride companies."

Only government authorized companies are allowed to abuse you. Do you have your license, sir?

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (B0mGw)

89
Still THE minimum wage, baby!

Posted by: $0.00 at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (AhnEf)

90 Why does some shitty little city council think it has the authority to set wages. Fix potholes and pick up trash losers.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at April 10, 2024 03:30 PM (JTwsP)

91 22 The price spread between going out for a steak and buying a good steak to cook at home has made the former a ridiculous expense.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (aD39U)

Well, they both are kinda ridiculous at this point, but one is practically unaffordable...and one is annoying to afford.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:30 PM (exHjb)

92 The NYC yellow taxi industry is treated far worse than the app-ride companies. Uber and the rest at least had tons of money to spread around in graft.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (iFTx/)

____________________________________________

Most of those are money laundering operations....especially the Russian owned ones from Brooklyn.

Posted by: Orson at April 10, 2024 03:30 PM (dIske)

93 Analysts forecast that this law will gift California with increased unemployment for years.

...

Good thing they have a massive welfare system.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 10, 2024 03:30 PM (z/ifB)

94 LOOOOOL

A group of Berkeley law students accepted an invitation to dine at the private home of dean Erwin Chemerinsky and his wife, a law professor, then disrupted the event and refused to leave. Bizarrely, this student claims her conduct is protected by the 1st Amendment. Activists are attacking the dean and professor as "white supremacist" and "Zionist."

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at April 10, 2024 03:30 PM (dKiJG)

95
The thing that always confused me about Minnesota is that the counties most radically-left are in the Boundary Waters.

Posted by: Auspex at April 10, 2024 03:30 PM (j4U/Z)

96 And yet Uber and Lyft's executives will, undoubtedly, continue to contribute heavily to Democrat politicians.

Fuck 'em all.

Posted by: ballistic at April 10, 2024 03:30 PM (oqH4h)

97 Nobody even talks about me anymore...

Posted by: "Underemployment" statistics at April 10, 2024 03:31 PM (wa6DW)

98 Come to California. where no one can work, no business can stay open, and we’re running out of stuff to steal. But the sunshine!

Posted by: UGAdawg at April 10, 2024 03:31 PM (tRd71)

99 Who are these other rideshare companies that are going to come in and take over U er and Lyfts business ? Don’t they also have to pay $30 an hour or will they get subsidies?

Posted by: Jen the original

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Safe bet : whatever company comes in, there will be a handful of execs who are related to City Council members.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at April 10, 2024 03:31 PM (8AONa)

100 Again , the inability to determine cause and effect is one of the mental defects common in all Leftists.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:31 PM (MNhXM)

101 87 I think it’s more leftist millennials who can’t seem to comprehend entry level job leading to getting a real job and this socialist concept that everyone should be able to afford to live on their own whether they are the ketchup squeezer or the owner. What they can’t figure out, because math, is if you pay everyone more the cost of living goes up and it’s back to square one, just with less jobs now than what was there to start.
Posted by: Piper at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (ZdaMQ)

The truth is, some people HAVE to fall through the cracks and die.

Survival of the fittest, Compete or Die, and they aren't fit enough to compete.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:32 PM (UnA8+)

102 GovTech dot com - TRANSPORTATION

Labor Ruling Offers Unionization Path to Uber, Lyft Drivers
A U.S. labor board ruling has laid the groundwork for drivers from Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. and other gig workers to formally unionize — a still difficult but potentially transformative task. June 14, 2023 • Josh Eidelson, Bloomberg News

Posted by: L - If they do it with you, they'll do it to you too at April 10, 2024 03:32 PM (NFX2v)

103 "Panera has got to be the biggest food scam going."
I like going to Panera, but nine times out of 10 I only order coffee. It's cheaper than in most places and the cup size is good.

Posted by: PG at April 10, 2024 03:32 PM (gQbO4)

104 Real communism hasn't been tried.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 10, 2024 03:32 PM (3aLWR)

105 The politicians know that raising the minimum wage hurts workers and businesses but they still implement them because it's popular with idiots that don't understand economics.

No one can tell me if 20 an hour is good, why not 1000? We can make everyone a millionaire overnight.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:32 PM (N+f71)

106 These folks think uber and lyft are greedy. There are no ride share companies that can handle those wages. Full stop.

Posted by: DOYLE at April 10, 2024 03:32 PM (Z8Yh2)

107 "The truth is, some people HAVE to fall through the cracks and die."

Alternatively, they can grow up and learn to stand on their own feet if the government would stop rewarding them for idiotic behavior.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:33 PM (iFMeW)

108 Economics: How does it work?
The left's answers:
1) Print MORE money to fight inflation (e.g. the so-called "Inflation Reduction Act")
2) Raise wages so folks have a "living wage" (which results in people being fired, so not having ANY wage)

many more examples.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:33 PM (ynpvh)

109 Labor Ruling Offers Unionization Path to Uber, Lyft Drivers
A U.S. labor board ruling has laid the groundwork for drivers from Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. and other gig workers to formally unionize — a still difficult but potentially transformative task. June 14, 2023 • Josh Eidelson, Bloomberg News
Posted by: L - If they do it with you, they'll do it to you too at April 10, 2024 03:32 PM (NFX2v)
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How's that work? Uber and Lyft drivers are independent contractors. For real. Their own equipment, their own work terms. Who are they unionizing against? They're all self-employed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:33 PM (HnUIn)

110 I think we see who is outmaneuvering whom. I'm hoping Elon can flip Brazil.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (cf/0E)

It's the key to taking North Africa.

Posted by: that MBA with a Risk Studies specialty at April 10, 2024 03:33 PM (OguvZ)

111 Making the 15-minute city unlivable.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at April 10, 2024 03:33 PM (lf83v)

112 I like going to Panera, but nine times out of 10 I only order coffee. It's cheaper than in most places and the cup size is good.
Posted by: PG at April 10, 2024 03:32 PM (gQbO4)
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The primary benefit of Panera is that it's a great place to go bird watching.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:34 PM (HnUIn)

113 107 "The truth is, some people HAVE to fall through the cracks and die."

Alternatively, they can grow up and learn to stand on their own feet if the government would stop rewarding them for idiotic behavior.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:33 PM (iFMeW)

Hunter WAS on crack; does that count?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:34 PM (ynpvh)

114 109 How's that work? Uber and Lyft drivers are independent contractors. For real. Their own equipment, their own work terms. Who are they unionizing against? They're all self-employed.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:33 PM (HnUIn)

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The concept of independent contractors is racist. All will be employed directly by corporations.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting kaiju with Ishiro Honda at April 10, 2024 03:34 PM (GBKbO)

115
Eat the bugs.
Suck the dick.
Ride the train.

Not necessarily in the order.

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:34 PM (qBHMX)

116 A group of Berkeley law students accepted an invitation to dine at the private home of dean Erwin Chemerinsky and his wife, a law professor, then disrupted the event and refused to leave. Bizarrely, this student claims her conduct is protected by the 1st Amendment.
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Someone should open up their dorm rooms or apartments to illegal alien squatters while they're gone.

Posted by: reason at April 10, 2024 03:34 PM (wa6DW)

117 Panera has got to be the biggest food scam going. They charge the earth for incredibly basic and below average catering level food.
Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:29 PM (qBHMX)

In this town, if you want basic sammiches, there's Subway, Jersey Mike's and Panera.

I'm glad to have a Panera here.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:34 PM (dGCAG)

118 I think we see who is outmaneuvering whom. I'm hoping Elon can flip Brazil.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (cf/0E)

I'm hoping he buys Brazil.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2024 03:34 PM (aD39U)

119 This is all so unfair to the drivers. Steady employment gone.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2024 03:35 PM (o3SCB)

120 I sort of equate Panera with Starbucks… they are of a type…

Posted by: tubal at April 10, 2024 03:35 PM (PCK5/)

121 No one can tell me if 20 an hour is good, why not 1000? We can make everyone a millionaire overnight.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:32 PM (N+f71)

Well, making everyone a millionaire might not be feasible. But it would be very feasible to make me a millionaire.

Posted by: Democrat Voter Logic at April 10, 2024 03:35 PM (Ao3fE)

122 107 Alternatively, they can grow up and learn to stand on their own feet if the government would stop rewarding them for idiotic behavior.
Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:33 PM (iFMeW)

They'll never learn the skills to compete. They're too pathetic. Let 'em burn.

There are winners and losers, and they're the losers.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:35 PM (UnA8+)

123 109 Labor Ruling Offers Unionization Path to Uber, Lyft Drivers
A U.S. labor board ruling has laid the groundwork for drivers from Uber Technologies Inc. and Lyft Inc. and other gig workers to formally unionize — a still difficult but potentially transformative task. June 14, 2023 • Josh Eidelson, Bloomberg News
Posted by: L - If they do it with you, they'll do it to you too at April 10, 2024 03:32 PM (NFX2v)
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How's that work? Uber and Lyft drivers are independent contractors. For real. Their own equipment, their own work terms. Who are they unionizing against? They're all self-employed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:33 PM (HnUIn)

Themselves.
Like "Blazing Saddles" where the sheriff took himself hostage.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:35 PM (ynpvh)

124 Speaking of Graft and stupid city government, Detroit just spent half a million dollars for this block letter sign saying Detroit placed at the city limits. All to impress the put of towners coming in for the NFL draft. They are getting roasted for it on social media.

Posted by: Jen the original at April 10, 2024 03:35 PM (LuQSA)

125 Trust me when I say: When you see a 35+ year old mexican gal taking your order at McDonalds the end is near.

When it's all 35+ year olds. Game over.

Signed,
Ex-californian
Posted by: DOYLE
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Geezer squeezers!

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (vtyCZ)

126 Eat the bugs.
Suck the dick.
Ride the train.

Not necessarily in the order.
Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:34 PM (qBHMX)

But... trains blow up!

Posted by: Pete Buttgig at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (dGCAG)

127 Last time I checked, the Minneapolis city council had 12 members with one vacancy. One owned his own business. Another was in a serious trade (town planner) which, however, is chock-a-block with government employees. The rest of them had all had staff positions at minor NGOs. With a couple of exceptions, they were childless to boot. You're not looking at a crew of people who understand how anything works.

Posted by: Art Deco at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (SHrUD)

128
Through our daughter's experiences I am seeing what the Millennial economy has become. Formal education is a detriment because of the huge debt that you incurred. You work innumerable part-time, and limited run temporary gigs, with working one's network to line up the next ones. Your network of acquaintances and the skills they have are key to keeping yourself afloat. Retirement is a pure pipe dream.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (AhnEf)

129 Panera is full of cunts on both coasts. I have been trying to get a box of their green tea drink for the woman who has everything. Nope. The dumb fucks have no idea how to make it happen. I have talked to district managers.

"Oh, it's 90 bucks a box?, here's a hundo." meh.

Posted by: DOYLE at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (Z8Yh2)

130 No one can tell me if 20 an hour is good, why not 1000? We can make everyone a millionaire overnight.
Posted by: CaliGirl

Obligatory

https://tinyurl.com/maev3nu

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (CIS44)

131 I don't think people know what is going on, you can't find enough people willing to work at any price. I know a guy that has a construction company and he is paying laborers, starting wage, 60 an hour and heavy equipment operators 95 an hour and he can't find people willing to work at that pay rate. I think part of it is you have to pass a drug test.
Everyone wants to have a white collar job and college kids that used to do this kind of work during the summers don't do it anymore.
My pool cover company can't find people willing to work either, they are 6 months out for service.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (N+f71)

132 🤘Pantera🤘

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (FQmDC)

133 I say “good.”

The people living in liberal shit holes must like it well enough to keep voting for bad and harmful policies.

I say give them exactly what they want and let them deal with it.

I do not care about them if they don’t care enough to stop the madness.

Posted by: Czech Chick at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (I6NNh)

134 Pantera was a solid band. But I don't know why they stopped making music and started making sandwiches.

Posted by: Vulgar Display of Breakfast at April 10, 2024 03:37 PM (Ao3fE)

135 Not trying to throw shade on anyone's preferred meal of choice I was just shocked the one time I went to Panera at the quality vs the price.

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:37 PM (qBHMX)

136 "Hunter WAS on crack; does that count?"

You people gotta tear people down, don't you? Hunter's a go-getter. You've never been an international consultant making millions.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:37 PM (iFMeW)

137
I think from now on...I'm not gonna argue politics at all.

When someone starts complaining about something that has a political cause or exacerbation,

I'm simply going to ask:

"Who did you vote for?'

If they say Biden or some Dim, then I say,

"Are you ready to vote Trump?"

If no or they temporize, I'll just shrug and move on.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 10, 2024 03:37 PM (eDfFs)

138 You know what will solve this problem? High Speed Rail!

Posted by: wth at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (v0R5T)

139 Back in 2016 Uber and Lyft decided to leave Austin when city council approved a measure requiring drivers to get fingerprint background checks. Texas lawmakers later then approved a law putting rideshare regulation under state, instead of the city.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (NpAcC)

140 I don't think people know what is going on, you can't find enough people willing to work at any price.

I've been told the millions of newcomers streaming over the border just want to work hard.

Posted by: brak at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (25k9m)

141 >Jon Snow show a no go on HBO.

Season 5 or 6, somebody decided that no one would get a quantum smidgen of pleasure from anything done or said by a GoT character.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (cf/0E)

142 I wonder when these lunatics will repeal the speed of light? That's how it works, right?

Posted by: Archimedes at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (CsUN+)

143 Hey i heard a bunch of people are giving away free Palestines. I don't know what those are, but maybe you could make something useful out of them and then sell it for a couple bucks.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (GkFGh)

144 UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'
================
Nothing left to do except Party!

Posted by: The Frumious Follywood at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (ArdxT)

145 122 107 Alternatively, they can grow up and learn to stand on their own feet if the government would stop rewarding them for idiotic behavior.
Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:33 PM (iFMeW)

They'll never learn the skills to compete. They're too pathetic. Let 'em burn.

There are winners and losers, and they're the losers.
Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:35 PM (UnA8+)

Umm, I see Scrooge has entered the chat...and charitable impulse for one's neighbors has disappeared.

A strictly capitalist, low government society works when religion is still a strong impulse, b/c as you said, some folks will fall through the cracks...there are always winners and losers...and that's where individuals giving of themselves lift up their "losing" neighbor.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (exHjb)

146 I think we see who is outmaneuvering whom. I'm hoping Elon can flip Brazil.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 10, 2024 03:18 PM (cf/0E)

I'm hoping he buys Brazil.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2024 03:34 PM (aD39U)

Last I saw he was advising their employees to leave the country, since Da Judge was threatening to arrest them.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (dGCAG)

147 I blame Phil

Posted by: DOYLE at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (Z8Yh2)

148 134 Pantera was a solid band. But I don't know why they stopped making music and started making sandwiches.
Posted by: Vulgar Display of Breakfast at April 10, 2024 03:37 PM (Ao3fE)
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Once Dimebag died they had to go in a different direction.

Posted by: ballistic at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (oqH4h)

149 132 🤘Pantera🤘

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (FQmDC)

I hear they make lots of bread.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:39 PM (ynpvh)

150 138 You know what will solve this problem? High Speed Rail!

Posted by: wth at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (v0R5T)

Absolutely. It has lined NUMEROUS pockets.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:39 PM (ynpvh)

151 He was advising the employees to leave Brazil before he releases the judge's and president's DMs.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:39 PM (B0mGw)

152 128
Through our daughter's experiences I am seeing what the Millennial economy has become. Formal education is a detriment because of the huge debt that you incurred. You work innumerable part-time, and limited run temporary gigs, with working one's network to line up the next ones. Your network of acquaintances and the skills they have are key to keeping yourself afloat. Retirement is a pure pipe dream.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (AhnEf)

College education is not a detriment if you lived at home and did state school. It's only a detriment if you did buy into "must live away, must go to best school" pricing insanity...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:40 PM (exHjb)

153 Jon Snow show a no go on HBO.
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Season 5 or 6, somebody decided that no one would get a quantum smidgen of pleasure from anything done or said by a GoT character.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (cf/0E)

I read Fatso's last book. Last I saw Jon was laying in the snow, bleeding out.

I prefer to think of him that way, and forget the HBO nonsense that happened afterwards.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:40 PM (dGCAG)

154 144 UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'
================
Nothing left to do except Party!

Posted by: The Frumious Follywood at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (ArdxT)

'cause if hoomans don't, AI and robots will?

::: Skynet booting up :::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:40 PM (ynpvh)

155 Pantera was a solid band. But I don't know why they stopped making music and started making sandwiches.
Posted by: Vulgar Display of Breakfast at April 10, 2024 03:37 PM (Ao3fE)

They had a brief stint making cars too.

Posted by: spindrift at April 10, 2024 03:40 PM (OguvZ)

156 >> confused me about Minnesota is that the counties most radically-left are in the Boundary Waters.
__

That's true. I started going there with my Dad when I was strong enough to carry a canoe and a Duluth pack on my back over a portage. That was long ago. It was always flooded with DFL types, but the area has worsened as locals cater to the liberal elite suburbanite tourists who flock there now with their $10,000 canoes and Patagonia pull-overs.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at April 10, 2024 03:40 PM (bNf8H)

157
"Who did you vote for?'

Healy wife saw a news clip the other day about the NYC women getting punched in the daface and said "I wonder who they voted for?" I LOL'd.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 10, 2024 03:40 PM (eYF7X)

158 38 Cinnabon?

What does Saul Goodman have to say about that?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 10, 2024 03:20 PM

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Who?

Posted by: Gene Takavic at April 10, 2024 03:40 PM (wzAuc)

159 I don't think people know what is going on, you can't find enough people willing to work at any price. I know a guy that has a construction company and he is paying laborers, starting wage, 60 an hour and heavy equipment operators 95 an hour and he can't find people willing to work at that pay rate. I think part of it is you have to pass a drug test.
Everyone wants to have a white collar job and college kids that used to do this kind of work during the summers don't do it anymore.
My pool cover company can't find people willing to work either, they are 6 months out for service.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (N+f71)

After-effects of COVID.

The gov't is still paying perfectly healthy individuals to stay home.

A fairly large number of folks would rather get a minimum but live-on-able amount of money and stay home smoking dope all day than go to work.

Perverse incentives, as it were.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 10, 2024 03:41 PM (eDfFs)

160 My pool cover company can't find people willing to work either, they are 6 months out for service.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (N+f71)

Reminds me of the joke Reagan used to tell about the guy in Soviet Union trying to get a basic repair on his car.

The car shop clerk says he can do it 10 years from that exact day. So the guy asks "Ok. Is that a Wednesday?" Car shop clerk replies "What does it matter what day of the week it is? It's in 10 years."

Guy says, "I have the plumber coming".

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:41 PM (qBHMX)

161 A strictly capitalist, low government society works when religion is still a strong impulse, b/c as you said, some folks will fall through the cracks...there are always winners and losers...and that's where individuals giving of themselves lift up their "losing" neighbor.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (exHjb)
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Eh. There's a difference between caring for your neighbor when he falls on hard times until he can get himself back on his feet...and doing that for DECADES while your neighbor continues to make the same dumbass decisions that keep him from being successful at anything.

At some point the charitable thing to do is walk away and help someone who wants to be helped. That's where I am with all of these deep-dark-blue leftist cities. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Just leave me the fuck out of it.

Posted by: ballistic at April 10, 2024 03:41 PM (oqH4h)

162 What's with all these cunty expressions?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 10, 2024 03:41 PM (J8LnB)

163 Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (N+f71)

Total agreement. And what’s ironic for me is those were the types of jobs I wanted and did from when I was 16 until I graduated college. That’s when I made the mistake going white collar. Should have been a fireman like the rest of my family or at least a heavy machine operator.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:41 PM (MNhXM)

164
Free Palestine, with the purchase of an equal valued or lesser valued Palestine.

Like hotscakes they'll go!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 10, 2024 03:42 PM (AhnEf)

165 A fairly large number of folks would rather get a minimum but live-on-able amount of money and stay home smoking dope all day than go to work.

Perverse incentives, as it were.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 10, 2024 03:41 PM (eDfFs)

or as I call it: retirement.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2024 03:42 PM (aD39U)

166 Season 5 or 6, somebody decided that no one would get a quantum smidgen of pleasure from anything done or said by a GoT character.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (cf/0E)
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Sandor Clegane was still entertainingly sociapathic.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at April 10, 2024 03:42 PM (Be/+i)

167 "What's with all these cunty expressions?"

Split the difference?

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:42 PM (iFMeW)

168 I've got your quantum smidgen of pleasure right here, ladies.

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:42 PM (qBHMX)

169 the cracks...there are always winners and losers...and that's where individuals giving of themselves lift up their "losing" neighbor.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (exHjb)

You lift up your neighbor, and I'll lift up mine, but I'll be damned if my poor neighbor is to be used as a stage prop for Fascists looking to shred the consent of the governed and take half (if not all) of my paycheck at the barrel of a gun just to piss it away while my neighbor and i both get poorer.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 03:42 PM (GkFGh)

170 Growing up, our neighbor had a Ford Pantera. I still want one of those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6cilVD1S_o

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 10, 2024 03:42 PM (eYF7X)

171 Pantera was a solid band. But I don't know why they stopped making music and started making sandwiches.
Posted by: Vulgar Display of Breakfast at April 10, 2024 03:37 PM (Ao3fE)

They had a brief stint making cars too.
Posted by: spindrift at April 10, 2024 03:40 PM (OguvZ)

Pizza too! They were pretty good.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:42 PM (dGCAG)

172 145 A strictly capitalist, low government society works when religion is still a strong impulse, b/c as you said, some folks will fall through the cracks...there are always winners and losers...and that's where individuals giving of themselves lift up their "losing" neighbor.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (exHjb)

I say this, because I myself am a loser, and know deep down that I deserve to die.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:43 PM (UnA8+)

173 Ahhh, the myth of the wage/price spiral.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at April 10, 2024 03:43 PM (3ZtBr)

174 168 I've got your quantum smidgen of pleasure right here, ladies.

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:42 PM (qBHMX)

LOL, is it in superposition?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:43 PM (ynpvh)

175 City councils are filled with innumerate psychos.

Posted by: mr tmz at April 10, 2024 03:43 PM (rJ48h)

176 They're only doing this to Elon. Once he goes away it will all go back to normal.

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:43 PM (qBHMX)

177 Old & Busted: Bidenomics

New Hotness: Newsomnomics

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 10, 2024 03:44 PM (17s+e)

178 I still have the tin of cigarillos called Panteras. Dutch I think

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:44 PM (FQmDC)

179 Old & Busted: Bidenomics

New Hotness: Newsomnomics
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 10, 2024 03:44 PM (17s+e)
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Is there even any daylight between them?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:44 PM (HnUIn)

180 Pantera was a solid band. But I don't know why they stopped making music and started making sandwiches.
Posted by: Vulgar Display of Breakfast at April 10, 2024 03:37 PM (Ao3fE)

They had a brief stint making cars too.
Posted by: spindrift at April 10, 2024 03:40 PM (OguvZ)

Pizza too! They were pretty good.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:42 PM (dGCAG)

Holy ship! They still have stores in the St. Louis area.

Really good pizza, man. I'm super serial.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:44 PM (dGCAG)

181 I think Brazil is in enough of an uproar that Elon could win this one. The president is jailing his opponent and judges are going after foreign tech execs. Not exactly stable.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:44 PM (iFMeW)

182 Part of the problem is that the government has made a college education worthless by jumping feet first into the student loan business and subsidizing worthless college degrees but most liberals demand their kids go to college. Once they graduate they can only get entry level jobs and you can't live on those wages so here we are. The push for $15 has become the push for $20, $40, $50.....

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 10, 2024 03:45 PM (QNSds)

183 the city council's demand that drivers be paid a minimum 51 cents per minute when ferrying passengers.

Well, *I* demand they be paid $240 per workday, by putting on hold on customers' credit cards and divvying it all up at the end of the day.

Posted by: I'm Even More Woke at April 10, 2024 03:45 PM (spt7e)

184 After-effects of COVID.

The gov't is still paying perfectly healthy individuals to stay home.

I'm peripherally involved with an organization that employs blue-collar workers, and the worker shortage is gradually getting better.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 10, 2024 03:45 PM (YAtuc)

185 I was hoping the Cern experiment on Monday would push us through another worm hole and put us back on the original time line... I guess they fucked that up too

Posted by: ET at April 10, 2024 03:45 PM (p4FTZ)

186 179 Old & Busted: Bidenomics

New Hotness: Newsomnomics
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 10, 2024 03:44 PM (17s+e)
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Is there even any daylight between them?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:44 PM (HnUIn)

One's shitty, the other oily. Both very excremental.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:45 PM (ynpvh)

187
UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'

No dice. We would rather drain it down to its last drop ... just like a certain ShitWit did with out national strategic petroleum reserve.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 10, 2024 03:45 PM (AhnEf)

188 181 I think Brazil is in enough of an uproar that Elon could win this one. The president is jailing his opponent and judges are going after foreign tech execs. Not exactly stable.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:44 PM (iFMeW)

Another Deep-State success!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (ynpvh)

189 This is another ( example 9,834,512,073).of Leftist One Stage Thinking

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (fwDg9)

190 This redhead in her underwear has been known to sometimes stop in at Panera:
http://tiny.cc/pb2qxz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (HnUIn)

191 "UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'"

I got bad news for you: Trump.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (B0mGw)

192 Real capitalism has never been tried.

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (qBHMX)

193 They're only doing this to Elon. Once he goes away it will all go back to normal.
Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:43 PM (qBHMX)

Brazil had, get this, an "election" where the leftists cheated and installed their guy, continued to hound the guy they booted out, and are now using the courts to clamp down on freedoms.

Good thing nothing like that could happen here.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (dGCAG)

194 So the plan is - what? - destroy any job that can’t be off-shored?!?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (aDDIU)

195 say this, because I myself am a loser, and know deep down that I deserve to die.
Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:43 PM (UnA8+)

That makes me sad to hear you say that.

It’s insomniac all over again.

All I can say is truly ask and you shall receive.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (MNhXM)

196 The left isn't good with reality.
They will likely blame greedy business owners for the layoffs and closings.

I was on Face Book and you should have seen the leftists defend NPR.
It was funny in a way.

Posted by: Erebus-ex-killer whale at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (lAjBs)

197
Old and Busted: Morning in America

New Hotness: Mourning in America

Posted by: naturalfake at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (eDfFs)

198 There was a Pantera car club that showed up for a memorial service for a deceased owner some years ago. About 25 of them... various mods, colors, etc.

We heard them coming down the road miles away.

Banger looking cars.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (Q4IgG)

199 182 Part of the problem is that the government has made a college education worthless by jumping feet first into the student loan business and subsidizing worthless college degrees but most liberals demand their kids go to college. Once they graduate they can only get entry level jobs and you can't live on those wages so here we are. The push for $15 has become the push for $20, $40, $50.....

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 10, 2024 03:45 PM (QNSds)

They could always join the Peace Corps and go to exotic locals like North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:47 PM (ynpvh)

200 >>159 Everyone wants to have a white collar job and college kids that used to do this kind of work during the summers don't do it anymore.
My pool cover company can't find people willing to work either, they are 6 months out for service.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM

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I'm curious how much he rakes in per day--this well-scrubbed, smiling, able-bodied young man who along with his wife and two children panhandle regularly at various on-ramps not far from my home. Did I mention that he's always well-scrubbed and smiling?

Posted by: Gene Takavic at April 10, 2024 03:47 PM (wzAuc)

201 I was hoping the Cern experiment on Monday would push us through another worm hole and put us back on the original time line... I guess they fucked that up too
Posted by: ET at April 10, 2024 03:45 PM (p4FTZ)
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Hey! Traversing the multiverse is HARD!

Posted by: CERN Scientists at April 10, 2024 03:47 PM (7fElN)

202 New Hotness: Mourning in America

We already had the winter of death, 2022 was it?

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:47 PM (FQmDC)

203 New sim is totally owned by China.
It’s all there in Peter Schweitzer’s new book.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 10, 2024 03:47 PM (aDDIU)

204 This redhead in her underwear has been known to sometimes stop in at Panera:
http://tiny.cc/pb2qxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (HnUIn)

Sigh...

Posted by: Diogenes at April 10, 2024 03:47 PM (W/lyH)

205 159 I don't think people know what is going on, you can't find enough people willing to work at any price. I know a guy that has a construction company and he is paying laborers, starting wage, 60 an hour and heavy equipment operators 95 an hour and he can't find people willing to work at that pay rate. I think part of it is you have to pass a drug test.

My pool cover company can't find people willing to work either, they are 6 months out for service.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:36 PM (N+f71)

After-effects of COVID.

The gov't is still paying perfectly healthy individuals to stay home.

A fairly large number of folks would rather get a minimum but live-on-able amount of money and stay home smoking dope all day than go to work.

Perverse incentives, as it were.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 10, 2024 03:41 PM (eDfFs)
_________

A lot of those high-pay blue-collar jobs require special licenses which require drug tests (as noted above), clean driver's licenses, and no past-due alimony or child support or open tax liens. That's often a tall order.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 10, 2024 03:47 PM (iFTx/)

206 189 This is another ( example 9,834,512,073).of Leftist One Stage Thinking
Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (fwDg9)

They don't even engage in State Zero thinking:

"Is this my problem? Am i even *allowed* to try to fix this problem using the levers of state power which are entrusted to me?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 03:47 PM (GkFGh)

207 190 This redhead in her underwear has been known to sometimes stop in at Panera:
http://tiny.cc/pb2qxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

She needs s nose job and the armpit wrinkles. I dunno.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 10, 2024 03:48 PM (eYF7X)

208 "UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'"

The UN now has an official 'Context fact check" up on any youtube video discussing global warning, which says the climate is changing and it's humans fault. That's it. the "citation" goes to the UN's website.

Posted by: brak at April 10, 2024 03:48 PM (25k9m)

209 UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'

That's a lie. He meant to say only 2 years until the climate grifters change the date to 2 years later.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 10, 2024 03:48 PM (17s+e)

210 I think Brazil is in enough of an uproar that Elon could win this one. The president is jailing his opponent and judges are going after foreign tech execs. Not exactly stable.
Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:44 PM (iFMeW)

They're also playing footsie with Chi Nah and others, to try to overthrow the U.S. dollar as international currency of choice.

I don't think stability is what they're going for.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:48 PM (dGCAG)

211 109. Massachusetts a while ago, and then California more recent. Decent article by Oak View Law Group, 'California Assembly Bill 5 - What Freelancers Should Know' Published: October 12, 2023 •

In small part, "Assembly Bill 5 (AB5), a.k.a "The Gig Worker Bill," is a law in California that went into effect on January 1, 2020. It changes how businesses classify their workers. The bill says businesses hiring freelancers, gig workers, and contractors engaged in independently established trade occupations must reclassify them as employees if their jobs and responsibilities meet specific criteria. Employers must use the ABC test to determine how to classify a worker.

The main thing that could lead to a reclassification is if the employee is essential to the business, which means that the company could not run well without that employee (or job). However, there are exceptions to this rule in which an employer wouldn't have to change a worker's status from independent contractor to employee."
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Is there a union for McDonald's employees?
Last Sep '23, a new California law created a state fast-food council to allow labor and business to negotiate minimum pay, workplace regulations.

Posted by: L - If they do it with you, they'll do it to you too at April 10, 2024 03:48 PM (NFX2v)

212 185 - you're thinking of SERN. They fucked up though, instead we got another person turned into jello instead.

Posted by: Gaff at April 10, 2024 03:48 PM (jPS2y)

213 Through our daughter's experiences I am seeing what the Millennial economy has become. Formal education is a detriment because of the huge debt that you incurred. You work innumerable part-time, and limited run temporary gigs, with working one's network to line up the next ones. Your network of acquaintances and the skills they have are key to keeping yourself afloat. Retirement is a pure pipe dream.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
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My niece is finishing her master's degree in history and is bound and determined to go on for a Ph.D. (she is at least taking a year off and doing some adjunct teaching to see how that goes)

She is very bright and pretty grounded, but I don't think this is a good decision... of course, it ain't my place to say anything, just pray and root for her...

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 10, 2024 03:48 PM (wQXfi)

214 Armpit wrinkles. That's a new one.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:49 PM (B0mGw)

215 UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'

No dice. We would rather drain it down to its last drop ... just like a certain ShitWit did with out national strategic petroleum reserve.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 10, 2024 03:45 PM (AhnEf)
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When China and India start treating climate change like an emergency, maybe--just maybe--I'll start to care a bit more.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 10, 2024 03:49 PM (7fElN)

216 Does Mod Pizza use guys riding Vespas for delivery??

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:49 PM (vtyCZ)

217 195 It’s insomniac all over again.

All I can say is truly ask and you shall receive.
Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (MNhXM)

Marketable, in-demand skills don't just rise up from the ether.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:49 PM (UnA8+)

218 UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'

It was only 2 years left, 20 years ago, to save mommy earf. The Earth and humanity may very well be destroyed but it won't be mommy earf that does it. It will be our venal, feckless, depraved, ruling class.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at April 10, 2024 03:49 PM (sAmhv)

219 "I don't think stability is what they're going for."

May get more than they bargained for on this one.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (B0mGw)

220 But they're only doing that to allow other ride-share companies

i'm right here, you know

Posted by: those orange electric scooters at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (v3pYe)

221 201 I was hoping the Cern experiment on Monday would push us through another worm hole and put us back on the original time line... I guess they fucked that up too
Posted by: ET at April 10, 2024 03:45 PM (p4FTZ)
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Hey! Traversing the multiverse is HARD!

Posted by: CERN Scientists at April 10, 2024 03:47 PM (7fElN)

You need more DIE, um, I mean DEI!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (ynpvh)

222 Pantera Car Club > Corvair Car Club

Posted by: Diogenes at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (W/lyH)

223 We must destroyed the Western economies faster!
UN Climate Chief translated

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (FQmDC)

224 Panera has got to be the biggest food scam going. They charge the earth for incredibly basic and below average catering level food.
Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024

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True. Their tomato basil bread used to be quite good. And in my last few months in the Denver area, I made a habit of stopping by a Panera in mid-morning for an asiago cheese bagel, cream cheese, and coffee.

But that bread: A big loaf used to be about $5. Now, I think, it's $7.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (J2vNu)

225 An improvement:

Old and Busted: Morning in America

New Hotness: Mourning in America

The difference is "U"!

Posted by: naturalfake at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (eDfFs)

226 195 say this, because I myself am a loser, and know deep down that I deserve to die.
Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:43 PM (UnA8+)

That makes me sad to hear you say that.

It’s insomniac all over again.

All I can say is truly ask and you shall receive.
Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (MNhXM)

Amen. Everyone is made in God's image and has value.

If you really feel that way, walk down to your local Church and just sit. Offer up all your troubles. And ask for prayers here - we'll provide them.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (exHjb)

227 Only two years left to fund his retirement.

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (qBHMX)

228 Mod Pizza looks like it employs as many Republicans as NPR.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 10, 2024 03:51 PM (YIxO9)

229 Cornel West picks anti-cop BLM activist who called Taylor Swift fandom ‘slightly racist’ as running mate

https://tinyurl.com/59pehxpa

Posted by: redridinghood at April 10, 2024 03:51 PM (NpAcC)

230 I keep hearing that we underestimate the Left when we say they are stupid. Well, maybe there are a few who really want everything to fail. But most really don't. They don't think minimum wages increase unemployment. Really.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 10, 2024 03:51 PM (1bNHn)

231 It's almost like AOC is running California. These legislators think anyone who owns a fast food business is Scrooge McDuck with a swimming pool of money that they greedily refuse to pay "living" wages with. Also, why do fast food workers deserve a higher minimum wage than grocery store workers?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at April 10, 2024 03:51 PM (snyZJ)

232 Good thing nothing like that could happen here.
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Man, you're ill. This isn't Spain, you know. This is ~~England~~ America.

Posted by: zombie Duke of Norfolk at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (vtyCZ)

233 Cornel West picks anti-cop BLM activist who called Taylor Swift fandom ‘slightly racist’ as running mate

https://tinyurl.com/59pehxpa
Posted by: redridinghood at April 10, 2024 03:51 PM (NpAcC)

Ah, shit, I wanted that guy.

Posted by: President Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (GkFGh)

234 214 Armpit wrinkles. That's a new one.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:49 PM (B0mGw)

Heh, I saw you're name after your comment and thought...
Armpit wrinkles: ribbed for your pleasure...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (ynpvh)

235 This redhead in her underwear has been known to sometimes stop in at Panera:
http://tiny.cc/pb2qxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Sigh...
Posted by: Diogenes

The house you'd have to buy her that you no longer live in would be totally worth it!

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (s1dWN)

236 Forget if Joe, she means trouble

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (fwDg9)

237 Cornel West picks anti-cop BLM activist who called Taylor Swift fandom ‘slightly racist’ as running mate

Posted by: redridinghood at April 10, 2024 03:51 PM (NpAcC)

Going after even more potential Biden voters.

Posted by: ... at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (qBHMX)

238 Mod Pizza looks like it employs as many Republicans as NPR.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 10, 2024 03:51 PM (YIxO9)

=====

You're not kidding. Husband & I went there exactly once.

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (DRSnL)

239 This redhead in her underwear has been known to sometimes stop in at Panera:
http://tiny.cc/pb2qxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
*
She needs s nose job and the armpit wrinkles. I dunno.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 10, 2024

***
She looks kinda like the young Bryce Dallas Howard.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (J2vNu)

240 225 An improvement:

Old and Busted: Morning in America

New Hotness: Mourning in America

The difference is "U"!

Posted by: naturalfake at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (eDfFs)

LOL, Nice!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (ynpvh)

241 My niece is finishing her master's degree in history and is bound and determined to go on for a Ph.D. (she is at least taking a year off and doing some adjunct teaching to see how that goes)

She is very bright and pretty grounded, but I don't think this is a good decision... of course, it ain't my place to say anything, just pray and root for her...
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 10, 2024 03:48 PM (wQXfi)

You can always say something. You don't need to be confrontational, but sounding boards and advice are always welcome. My spouse stopped some younger work mates from doing stupid and pricey educational stuff, and he gets thanked to this day.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (exHjb)

242
I'm curious how much he rakes in per day--this well-scrubbed, smiling, able-bodied young man who along with his wife and two children panhandle regularly at various on-ramps not far from my home. Did I mention that he's always well-scrubbed and smiling?

Posted by: Gene Takavic

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a Sherlock Holmes story -- "The Man With the Twisted Lip" was its title -- where a person of respectable mein would leave home looking well dressed, and then change clothing, spend the day begging, and then clean up and return home sufficiently compensated to maintain himself and his family comfortably.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 10, 2024 03:53 PM (AhnEf)

243 226 Amen. Everyone is made in God's image and has value.

If you really feel that way, walk down to your local Church and just sit. Offer up all your troubles. And ask for prayers here - we'll provide them.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (exHjb)

A person's value is in their skills, and their ability to sell those skills.

I have none. And I don't think I'm going to be able to get enough of a loan to be able to take classes to learn one.

Because that's the only real answer. Learn a job skill, and have certified proof of it.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:53 PM (UnA8+)

244 This redhead in her underwear has been known to sometimes stop in at Panera

Like all vampires, she needs to stay out of the sun.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 10, 2024 03:53 PM (aD39U)

245 ABC 27 News: Local News
Rite Aid closing 12 more Pennsylvania locations; court filings
Posted : Apr 10, 2024 / 02:15 PM EDT

(WJW) — So far this month, Rite Aid has announced it will close 53 more store locations, adding to the roughly 200 it has closed since filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last year.

The Philadelphia-based company has been reporting annual losses for several years and, like its rivals, faces financial risk from lawsuits over opioid prescriptions. Rite Aid already has reached several settlements, including one announced last year with the state of West Virginia for up to $30 million.

After filing for bankruptcy protection in mid-October, the chain announced the closures of more than 150 stores across 15 states. In late November, Rite Aid announced the closures of another 31 stores. More were closed at the start of this year.

A full list of closures outlined in court documents released this month can be found below. (See article if interested. Several in CA, NY, too.)

Posted by: L - If they do it with you, they'll do it to you too at April 10, 2024 03:53 PM (NFX2v)

246 Cornel could have picked Zombie Harambe as his running mate and it would not have made any difference.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 10, 2024 03:54 PM (PC79W)

247 I don't do armpits anymore. Not after the incident.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:54 PM (B0mGw)

248 Mod Pizza looks like it employs as many Republicans as NPR.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 10, 2024 03:51 PM (YIxO9)

Hah Firebirds Burritos and Wholefoods has entered the chat.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:54 PM (MNhXM)

249 245 ABC 27 News: Local News
Rite Aid closing 12 more Pennsylvania locations; court filings
Posted : Apr 10, 2024 / 02:15 PM EDT

(WJW) — So far this month, Rite Aid has announced it will close 53 more store locations, adding to the roughly 200 it has closed since filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last year.

The Philadelphia-based company has been reporting annual losses for several years and, like its rivals, faces financial risk from lawsuits over opioid prescriptions. Rite Aid already has reached several settlements, including one announced last year with the state of West Virginia for up to $30 million.

After filing for bankruptcy protection in mid-October, the chain announced the closures of more than 150 stores across 15 states. In late November, Rite Aid announced the closures of another 31 stores. More were closed at the start of this year.

A full list of closures outlined in court documents released this month can be found below. (See article if interested. Several in CA, NY, too.)

Posted by: L - If they do it with you, they'll do it to you too at April 10, 2024 03:53 PM (NFX2v)
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Pharmaceutical Deserts!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at April 10, 2024 03:54 PM (snyZJ)

250 Redhead looks like Hot Donna from That 70's Show.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 03:55 PM (R4t5M)

251 Total agreement. And what’s ironic for me is those were the types of jobs I wanted and did from when I was 16 until I graduated college. That’s when I made the mistake going white collar. Should have been a fireman like the rest of my family or at least a heavy machine operator.
Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:41 PM

I'm so jealous of the firemen here. They work 1 48 hour shift for about 6 figures and with overtime most of these guys make 300,000 and retire at 50 with 90 percent of their pay.
It's unsustainable and insane. Same thing with the police.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:55 PM (N+f71)

252 Pharmaceutical Deserts!
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at April 10, 2024 03:54 PM (snyZJ)
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I'm more into pharmaceutical desserts.

Posted by: zombie Timothy Leary at April 10, 2024 03:55 PM (Be/+i)

253 "UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'"
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I got bad news for you: Trump.
Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM (B0mGw)

Nato's gonna trump everyone, bring about nukular armageddon. Which will most definitely lead to climate change.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (dGCAG)

254 My niece is finishing her master's degree in history and is bound and determined to go on for a Ph.D. (she is at least taking a year off and doing some adjunct teaching to see how that goes)

She is very bright and pretty grounded, but I don't think this is a good decision... of course, it ain't my place to say anything, just pray and root for her...
Posted by: screaming in digital

--

I was having this discussion with a friend recently, noting that there are thousands of colleges in the U.S., and I suspect hundreds of schools offering this sort of thing.

One school with 30 or so graduates each year could meet, and likely exceed, nationwide demand.

And the schools just keep on selling the lie that there are potential jobs out there to thousands of kids who are too deep in debt to stop now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - If this is how Georgia hires attorneys, imagine how they manage elections at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (6TLQp)

255 A person's value is in their skills, and their ability to sell those skills.

I have none. And I don't think I'm going to be able to get enough of a loan to be able to take classes to learn one.

Because that's the only real answer. Learn a job skill, and have certified proof of it.
Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:53 PM (UnA8+)

As mentioned, some places can't find people. Be one of those found people. Hard work, responsibility, and showing up on time day in and day out are soft skills that can't be taught, and yet are valued highly. A lot of life is just showing up.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (exHjb)

256 Laura Prepon , went on to become just another blond for some reason.

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (FQmDC)

257 Updated:
I can't afford groceries.
I can't afford gas.
I can't afford my car payment.
I can't afford my rent/mortgage.
I can't afford the insurance for my car and home.
The last few raises--if I got one--didn't cover any of that.
I don't get overtime now and my hours are being cut to almost part-time.
I maxed out my credit cards to pay for groceries.
I can't get a second job because the only hours offered are during my current hours.
I can't get a side job cause my state just banned Uber, etc.

But, the news says inflation is down, wages are up and the economy is great!

So I am lying.
My aching hunger is misinformation.
My meger bank balance is disinformation.
My chronic stress is just Republican lies.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (yikga)

258 "Learn a job skill, and have certified proof of it."

I don't agree. Showing up to work on time and doing what you're told puts you head and shoulders above your co-workers now. If you do more than what you're told and improve your surroundings you will be on the fast tract. Keep the chip off your shoulder and you'll be promoted in under six months. If not, find another job.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (B0mGw)

259 This redhead in her underwear has been known to sometimes stop in at Panera:
http://tiny.cc/pb2qxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
......

In that outfit?

Posted by: wth at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (v0R5T)

260 "Maths is rilly rilly hard!"

Posted by: Sharkman at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (qOuuc)

261 229 Cornel West picks anti-cop BLM activist who called Taylor Swift fandom ‘slightly racist’ as running mate

https://tinyurl.com/59pehxpa
Posted by: redridinghood

Well, yes. This is Cornel West. Of course he did.

Wait? Running for what?

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (sAmhv)

262 250 Redhead looks like Hot Donna from That 70's Show.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 03:55 PM (R4t5M)

Who has done some topless work...

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (KbCG3)

263 The thing that always confused me about Minnesota is that the counties most radically-left are in the Boundary Waters.

Minnesota is notably the state where the RNC and DNC are both considered too conservative so they have splinter versions of both parties, the "Democrat Farmers and Laborers" (DFL) and "Independent Republicans" (IR).

Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2024 03:57 PM (2ocoG)

264 Yeah. That's the problem with Philly. Not *enough* drugs.

Suuuuure.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 03:57 PM (GkFGh)

265 Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a Sherlock Holmes story -- "The Man With the Twisted Lip" was its title -- where a person of respectable mien would leave home looking well dressed, and then change clothing, spend the day begging, and then clean up and return home sufficiently compensated to maintain himself and his family comfortably.
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And he was a journalist doing an undercover story on begging and discovered begging made more money than reporting, especially as he had a ready wit with which to zing stingy types!

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:57 PM (vtyCZ)

266 The Gormogons on X
@Gormogons
GP @alexthechick
As we discussed earlier, St. Louis is now apparently an office desert.

The Real Estate Nightmare Unfolding in Downtown St. Louis
From wsj.com
1:48 PM · Apr 10, 2024

Posted by: L - If they do it with you, they'll do it to you too at April 10, 2024 03:58 PM (NFX2v)

267 Who has done some topless work...
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

Indeed.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 03:58 PM (R4t5M)

268 207 190 This redhead in her underwear has been known to sometimes stop in at Panera:
http://tiny.cc/pb2qxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

---

She has also been known to kill most of her classmates with her mind.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at April 10, 2024 03:58 PM (wzAuc)

269 screaming in digital- Being a life long history buff, in military history long pondered if one could make a career. In it.
I do listen to a few podcasts now and there seems to be quite a market so it's a possibility if she finds a place in her knowledgeable field.

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2024 03:58 PM (fwDg9)

270 251 Total agreement. And what’s ironic for me is those were the types of jobs I wanted and did from when I was 16 until I graduated college. That’s when I made the mistake going white collar. Should have been a fireman like the rest of my family or at least a heavy machine operator.
Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 03:41 PM

I'm so jealous of the firemen here. They work 1 48 hour shift for about 6 figures and with overtime most of these guys make 300,000 and retire at 50 with 90 percent of their pay.
It's unsustainable and insane. Same thing with the police.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:55 PM (N+f71)

----
Every one of them better be on the line when there's a forest fire in the tri-state area.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at April 10, 2024 03:58 PM (snyZJ)

271 231 It's almost like AOC is running California. These legislators think anyone who owns a fast food business is Scrooge McDuck with a swimming pool of money that they greedily refuse to pay "living" wages with. Also, why do fast food workers deserve a higher minimum wage than grocery store workers?
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at April 10, 2024 03:51 PM
The politicians know you can't count the jobs that never were. They're truly evil.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:58 PM (N+f71)

272 Joe Mannix's favourite Holmes' story must be "The Redheaded League".

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:58 PM (vtyCZ)

273 I don't agree. Showing up to work on time and doing what you're told puts you head and shoulders above your co-workers now. If you do more than what you're told and improve your surroundings you will be on the fast tract. Keep the chip off your shoulder and you'll be promoted in under six months. If not, find another job.
Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (B0mGw)

=====

This is true. Son is a millennial, with no college education. But he has a great work ethic, and has been promoted quickly at pretty much every company he's worked.

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 10, 2024 03:59 PM (DRSnL)

274 Local report from here in Clownifornia.... School Cafeteria workers are all quitting and going to work fast food.

$4 an hour raise for them.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2024 03:59 PM (xaFKb)

275 "UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'"
.......

That does it. I'm selling my truck.

Posted by: wth at April 10, 2024 03:59 PM (v0R5T)

276 255 As mentioned, some places can't find people. Be one of those found people. Hard work, responsibility, and showing up on time day in and day out are soft skills that can't be taught, and yet are valued highly. A lot of life is just showing up.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (exHjb)

I'm not currently unemployed.

I'm just stuck in a dead end with no room for advancement, and even though it's a full-time job, it doesn't even pay enough to get an apartment by myself.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:59 PM (UnA8+)

277 >>256 Laura Prepon , went on to become just another blond for some reason.
Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (FQmDC)

She wanted to stand out from her sister Grey

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at April 10, 2024 03:59 PM (IGKzA)

278 Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a Sherlock Holmes story -- "The Man With the Twisted Lip" was its title -- where a person of respectable mein would leave home looking well dressed, and then change clothing, spend the day begging, and then clean up and return home sufficiently compensated to maintain himself and his family comfortably.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 10, 2024 03:53 PM (AhnEf)
-

This is pretty common nowadays. Maybe back then, too.

Decent money, all cash, all tax free.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - If this is how Georgia hires attorneys, imagine how they manage elections at April 10, 2024 03:59 PM (6TLQp)

279 Minnesota is notably the state where the RNC and DNC are both considered too conservative so they have splinter versions of both parties, the "Democrat Farmers and Laborers" (DFL) and "Independent Republicans" (IR).
Posted by: Ian S. at April 10, 2024 03:57 PM (2ocoG)
++++
It's also the only state that failed to vote for Reagan.
And installed a pro wrestler as governor.

Minnesota politics are weird.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:59 PM (HnUIn)

280 "UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'"
.......

That does it. I'm selling my truck.
Posted by: wth

Hell, I'm maxing out my credit cards.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 10, 2024 03:59 PM (s1dWN)

281 Laura Prepon , went on to become just another blond for some reason.
Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (FQmDC)

That 70s Show started to suck right about the time Donna went "blonde."

Coincidence?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Come Sail Away with me, You guys at April 10, 2024 04:00 PM (xPJvm)

282 UN climate chief presses for faster action, says humans have 2 years left 'to save the world'
_____

If we truly only have 2 years left to save the world, the only reasonable and effective response is to nuke China and India to eliminate their CO2 emissions. There is nothing else that can be done to solve the problem in 2 years that is remotely close to being as effective.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 10, 2024 04:00 PM (KSkEK)

283 217

Marketable, in-demand skills don't just rise up from the ether.
Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 03:49 PM (UnA8

Nope. They come from people willing to put time and effort in to become marketable. Jobs are out there, maybe not the role you wanted originally, maybe not at the level you held previously, but you wouldn’t be the first person who had to start over. I used to volunteer at a woman’s shelter doing mock interviews. There were women there who participated with such energy for entry level positions, that fire in their belly was going to be the difference in hiring decisions. Find your fire.

Posted by: Piper at April 10, 2024 04:00 PM (ZdaMQ)

284
Every one of them better be on the line when there's a forest fire in the tri-state area.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, Bird Law Expert at April 10, 2024 03:58 PM (snyZJ)

They love when that happens, they get paid overtime for 24 hours a day when they are at a fire out of town. Or I know the PIO does, I'm not positive how they pay the regular fireman when they leave the area.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 04:00 PM (N+f71)

285 And he was a journalist doing an undercover story on begging and discovered begging made more money than reporting, especially as he had a ready wit with which to zing stingy types!
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 03:57 PM (vtyCZ)

He stayed right in his groove, at least. Switched from one parasitic job to another.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 10, 2024 04:00 PM (rcsB3)

286 If we only have 2 years left I have no financial problems at all.

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 04:01 PM (FQmDC)

287 258 I don't agree. Showing up to work on time and doing what you're told puts you head and shoulders above your co-workers now. If you do more than what you're told and improve your surroundings you will be on the fast tract. Keep the chip off your shoulder and you'll be promoted in under six months. If not, find another job.
Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (B0mGw)

Not at my job. My supervisor gets to hand-pick his next successor (and in fact already did, a 21 year old kid fresh out of school). There's no promotions that I can get in this office.

But I don't have the skills to quit and start over anywhere that isn't McDonald's.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 04:01 PM (UnA8+)

288 "I don't think stability is what they're going for."
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May get more than they bargained for on this one.
Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 03:50 PM (B0mGw)

I agree, with all the chatter about replacing the dollar that's been going on for months, I wonder if the players all got cold feet. After all, the U.S. of A. isn't going to just lay down for it, and as we've demonstrated, we ARE willing to use nooks to solve our problems.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 04:01 PM (dGCAG)

289 Laura Prepon , went on to become just another blond for some reason.
Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (FQmDC)

Pardon me, do you have any blonde Prepon?

Posted by: snooty aristo in a Rolls, looking for some nookie at April 10, 2024 04:01 PM (OguvZ)

290 Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 03:55 PM (N+f71)

The salary not that high here in Houston but the other benefits about the same . My uncles and cousins on both sides of my family were FDNY. Similar to what you listed. They all had side businesses going too because the hours allowed it.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 04:01 PM (MNhXM)

291 >>256 Laura Prepon , went on to become just another blond for some reason.
Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (FQmDC)

She wanted to stand out from her sister Grey
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at April 10, 2024 03:59 PM (IGKzA)

Then she switched her hair color to black, and for some reason that summoned The Wall far ahead of time.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 10, 2024 04:02 PM (rcsB3)

292 I'm curious how much he rakes in per day--this well-scrubbed, smiling, able-bodied young man who along with his wife and two children panhandle regularly at various on-ramps not far from my home. Did I mention that he's always well-scrubbed and smiling?

Posted by: Gene Takavic

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a Sherlock Holmes story -- "The Man With the Twisted Lip" was its title -- where a person of respectable mein would leave home looking well dressed, and then change clothing, spend the day begging, and then clean up and return home sufficiently compensated to maintain himself and his family comfortably.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 10, 2024 03:53 PM (AhnEf)

Several years ago, the local newspaper ran a story about a woman with two kids who stood on the same busy corner begging for well over a year.

She was clearing between $500 to $1000 per day.

At night, she'd check into a hotel with the kids, get some take-out, get drunk or stoned, watch TV, then start all over again the next morning.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 10, 2024 04:02 PM (eDfFs)

293 Joe Mannix's favourite Holmes' story must be "The Redheaded League".
Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024

***
Unfortunately the short story does not feature any Victorian analogues to Laura Prepon, Bryce Dallas Howard, or Nicole Kidman. (Though I think NK could play Irene Adler from "A Scandal in Bohemia.")

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 10, 2024 04:03 PM (J2vNu)

294 If we truly only have 2 years left to save the world, the only reasonable and effective response is to nuke China and India to eliminate their CO2 emissions. There is nothing else that can be done to solve the problem in 2 years that is remotely close to being as effective.
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And nuclear winters will even things out and the Atlantic IIRC informs us that smallish nuke wars are survivable.

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 04:03 PM (vtyCZ)

295 Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (yikga)

Yup... my 33 year old Son was trying to make it on his own in Denver...

Moved him in with me in Calif last week... they increased his apartment rent more than 30% and he was about to be homeless...

Time for a reset.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2024 04:03 PM (xaFKb)

296 Admittedly, there are a bunch of things I miss from California, but I'm so glad I don't live there anymore! Unfortunately, I can see californication coming over the horizon.

Posted by: InZona at April 10, 2024 04:03 PM (0Hv5a)

297 Laura Prepon , went on to become just another blond for some reason.
Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 03:56 PM (FQmDC)

That 70s Show started to suck right about the time Donna went "blonde."

Coincidence?
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Come Sail Away with me, You guys at April 10, 2024 04:00 PM (xPJvm)

I don't know from that show, but she played Karla Homolka in the movie about Karla and Paul's exploits. The movie played her as a sympathetic character, and she's damn near as evil as anybody who's ever lived on this planet.

Sickening. And Karla's out of prison these days, having a new ident, provided by the shithole Canuckistan government.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (dGCAG)

298 Minnesota politics are weird.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 03:59 PM (HnUIn)

Socialist Scandis

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (MNhXM)

299 As we discussed earlier, St. Louis is now apparently an office desert.

The Real Estate Nightmare Unfolding in Downtown St. Louis

STL has a city income tax. Drive 15 minutes west out of the city and into the county and you don't pay that. So guess where people want to work and build nice office space?

Posted by: brak at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (25k9m)

300 295 Yup... my 33 year old Son was trying to make it on his own in Denver...

Moved him in with me in Calif last week... they increased his apartment rent more than 30% and he was about to be homeless...

Time for a reset.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2024 04:03 PM (xaFKb)

My father would have said "You're a grown adult and these are the consequences. Should have got a second job. Good luck out on the streets."

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (UnA8+)

301 They all had side businesses going too because the hours allowed it.

--

Wisdom comes when realizing that the *government* job is the side job. Constant easy income, fantastic retirement, nearly impossible to be fired, and no need to demonstrate initiative or advancement. Just show up, cash checks, and phone calls, scheduling, etc. for the real business all takes place while on the government job.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - If this is how Georgia hires attorneys, imagine how they manage elections at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (6TLQp)

302 I live in Saint Paul, right next to Minneapolis. In the last election, Minneapolis drove out their regular far left group of city council members and put in a majority of hard left socialists/communists.

Posted by: Dave at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (nLwaa)

303 afaik, there is only lyft and uber that have stuck around.

One of my favorite quotes from someone who worked for me: 'why are the prices so high at 4am?! Oh, we just had a shooting in the complex and traffic was bad.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:05 PM (di6C2)

304 I don't mean that about your family member directly, just any and all government employees that have side jobs.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - If this is how Georgia hires attorneys, imagine how they manage elections at April 10, 2024 04:05 PM (6TLQp)

305 Americans want, expect and demand all prices to be set by the police. And the police DO set the prices. Don’t believe me? “Price gouging”, a favorite phrase of the economically illiterate, is not questioned here. Two, if prices went up in March 2020, grocery stores might have had goods on the shelves. But they were not allowed to raise prices because the police could prosecute people for “price gouging”. So Americans, whiny, spoiled and economically illiterate as they are, whined when the store shelves were getting emptied and not replenished.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:05 PM (WLul0)

306 The West outsourced all it's pollution to Asia

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 04:05 PM (FQmDC)

307 153 I read Fatso's last book. Last I saw Jon was laying in the snow, bleeding out.

I prefer to think of him that way, and forget the HBO nonsense that happened afterwards.

perhaps when the fatman finishes the series we'll find out that nonsense was just delirium as jon was dying. he finds out when he wakes up in the hospital next to suzanne pleshette.

Posted by: anachronda at April 10, 2024 04:05 PM (v3pYe)

308 St Louis has many many thousands of reasons not to live there…

Posted by: tubal at April 10, 2024 04:06 PM (PCK5/)

309 302 I live in Saint Paul, right next to Minneapolis. In the last election, Minneapolis drove out their regular far left group of city council members and put in a majority of hard left socialists/communists.
Posted by: Dave at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (nLwaa)

Well, I hate to say you are going the Detroit route after George Floyd, but you seem to be on the glide path.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:06 PM (di6C2)

310 Motherfucker panhandling at the wawa gets picked up by some bitch in a new Mercedes saying "how did you do today, honey?"

He tried to "excuse me sir" the next day and i said Fuck You right to his face.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 04:06 PM (GkFGh)

311 My favorite firefighters scam is that they are mandated so many days off each week enough that they can work full time in a different jurisdiction on their "days off"

2 full time jobs.
2 full time vacation days.
2 full retirements.

And you're paying for it.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 10, 2024 04:06 PM (yikga)

312 The California locusts have infested AZ.
Not everyone from CA is a locust.
Just the leftists who learned nothing and are continuing the same destructive behavior in AZ.

Posted by: Erebus-ex-killer whale at April 10, 2024 04:06 PM (lAjBs)

313 Council member Elliott Payne

-------

You know he's been sharing his ride.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 10, 2024 04:06 PM (0FoWg)

314 STL has a city income tax. Drive 15 minutes west out of the city and into the county and you don't pay that. So guess where people want to work and build nice office space?
Posted by: brak at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (25k9m)

The city also offers a better than likely chance you'll get beaten and robbed coming and going from work.

So it's got that going for it. Which is nice.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 04:07 PM (dGCAG)

315 >>>As we discussed earlier, St. Louis is now apparently an office desert.

My sister and her husband still work at offices in downtown STL, but they and their co-workers typically get out of there by 3 p.m. or so. No one wants to run the risk of being caught on the streets after sunset.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 10, 2024 04:07 PM (rcsB3)

316 My father would have said "You're a grown adult and these are the consequences. Should have got a second job. Good luck out on the streets."
Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (UnA8+)

Which is exactly what the Ex said.... would not let him move into her house in Denver.

But then, When I retired from the Navy, I had to go back to school for a bit, and moved in with MY Parents so they could help watch my Kids.

Family.... is Family... and times are tough.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2024 04:07 PM (xaFKb)

317 So Americans, whiny, spoiled and economically illiterate as they are, whined when the store shelves were getting emptied and not replenished.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:05 PM (WLul0)

Huh. That actually makes more sense than 'supply chain.'

I assumed it was a combination of factors:
-factories shutting down
-truckers overworked

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:07 PM (di6C2)

318 #274 Make that example 9,834,512,074).of Leftist One Stage Thinking
Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2024 03:46 PM

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2024 04:08 PM (fwDg9)

319
314 STL has a city income tax. Drive 15 minutes west out of the city and into the county and you don't pay that. So guess where people want to work and build nice office space?
Posted by: brak at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (25k9m)

The city also offers a better than likely chance you'll get beaten and robbed coming and going from work.

So it's got that going for it. Which is nice.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 04:07 PM (dGCAG)

Truly, a shithole… want to feel hate, just because you exist?? Try the Gateway City…

Posted by: tubal at April 10, 2024 04:08 PM (PCK5/)

320 314 STL has a city income tax. Drive 15 minutes west out of the city and into the county and you don't pay that. So guess where people want to work and build nice office space?
Posted by: brak at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (25k9m)

The city also offers a better than likely chance you'll get beaten and robbed coming and going from work.

So it's got that going for it. Which is nice.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 04:07 PM (dGCAG)

So, fight club.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 04:08 PM (ynpvh)

321 Time for a reset.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2024 04:03 PM (xaFKb)

My father would have said "You're a grown adult and these are the consequences. Should have got a second job. Good luck out on the streets."
Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (UnA8+)

Mine would of said "The Army recruiter is just down the road. Hop in."

Posted by: Diogenes at April 10, 2024 04:08 PM (W/lyH)

322 “Employees” does not sound Marxist enough. “Worker” does because the evil business owners DO NOT AND NEVER HAVE WORKED.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:08 PM (WLul0)

323 305 Americans want, expect and demand all prices to be set by the police. And the police DO set the prices. Don’t believe me? “Price gouging”, a favorite phrase of the economically illiterate, is not questioned here. Two, if prices went up in March 2020, grocery stores might have had goods on the shelves. But they were not allowed to raise prices because the police could prosecute people for “price gouging”. So Americans, whiny, spoiled and economically illiterate as they are, whined when the store shelves were getting emptied and not replenished.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024

Ditto, "price-gouging" is one of my pet peeves, raising prices keeps products available but again, idiots don't understand prices.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 04:09 PM (N+f71)

324 Back in 2016 Uber and Lyft decided to leave Austin when city council approved a measure requiring drivers to get fingerprint background checks. Texas lawmakers later then approved a law putting rideshare regulation under state, instead of the city.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 10, 2024 03:38 PM (NpAcC)

...

I was in Austin at the time. I think also voters tried to get a ballot measure passed and the city played dirty tricks to keep it off the ballot. I may be confusing this with the homeless camping issue though.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 10, 2024 04:09 PM (z/ifB)

325 perhaps when the fatman finishes the series we'll find out that nonsense was just delirium as jon was dying. he finds out when he wakes up in the hospital next to suzanne pleshette.
Posted by: anachronda at April 10, 2024 04:05 PM (v3pYe)

"when," you say?

Posted by: Dr. T at April 10, 2024 04:09 PM (rcsB3)

326 perhaps when the fatman finishes the series we'll find out that nonsense was just delirium as jon was dying. he finds out when he wakes up in the hospital next to suzanne pleshette.
Posted by: anachronda at April 10, 2024 04:05 PM (v3pYe)

Or his injuries were so severe, they decided to rebuild him, make him better than he was. Better, faster, stronger... a six muuuullllion dollar man!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 04:09 PM (dGCAG)

327 Motherfucker panhandling at the wawa gets picked up by some bitch in a new Mercedes saying "how did you do today, honey?"

He tried to "excuse me sir" the next day and i said Fuck You right to his face.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 04:06 PM (GkFGh)

I like a story with a happy ending.

Posted by: spindrift at April 10, 2024 04:09 PM (OguvZ)

328 Louisville is just as bad. Gas is around 50c higher- and it is not THAT far from Lexington.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:09 PM (di6C2)

329 319
314 STL has a city income tax. Drive 15 minutes west out of the city and into the county and you don't pay that. So guess where people want to work and build nice office space?
Posted by: brak at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (25k9m)

The city also offers a better than likely chance you'll get beaten and robbed coming and going from work.

So it's got that going for it. Which is nice.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2024 04:07 PM (dGCAG)

Truly, a shithole… want to feel hate, just because you exist?? Try the Gateway City…

Posted by: tubal at April 10, 2024 04:08 PM (PCK5/)

swap the two first vowels, you get: Getaway, as in GET AWAY WHILE YOU STILL CAN!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 04:10 PM (ynpvh)

330 Price gouging is still the go to Democrat saying for whenever gas prices go up.

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 04:10 PM (FQmDC)

331 Although the further-out suburbs are nice.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 04:10 PM (ynpvh)

332 I assumed it was a combination of factors:
-factories shutting down
-truckers overworked
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:07 PM (di6C2)

Produce and many grocery items, contrary to propaganda, don’t come from factories. And if prices can’t go up to meet demand because the police say so, you aren’t getting more goods.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:10 PM (WLul0)

333 296 Admittedly, there are a bunch of things I miss from California, but I'm so glad I don't live there anymore! Unfortunately, I can see californication coming over the horizon.
Posted by: InZona

Have you ever read the lyrics for Red Hot Chili Peppers song, 'Californication'? They are applicable to today. I never thought I'd say that RHCP were prophetic but here we are.

https://youtu.be/j0ZygrPsCpY?si=C1iApbqDqOkKjCwV

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at April 10, 2024 04:10 PM (sAmhv)

334 Hey what's in it for me?

-Johnny Cab

https://tinyurl.com/3cx986y7

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn it! at April 10, 2024 04:10 PM (yDGNp)

335 I think right now the recruiters are taking people up into their 40's they are so desperate....

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 04:11 PM (FQmDC)

336 330 Price gouging is still the go to Democrat saying for whenever gas prices go up.

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 04:10 PM (FQmDC)

Since it was caused by the Biden admin's shutting down of projects to INCREASE domestic oil production, Yes: Gov't price gouging via Gov't actions.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 04:11 PM (ynpvh)

337

“ He tried to "excuse me sir" the next day and i said Fuck You right to his face. ”

I got a hardon like a barber pole.

Thanks for this story.

Posted by: Dr Huge Largemeat at April 10, 2024 04:12 PM (ddDqj)

338
335 I think right now the recruiters are taking people up into their 40's they are so desperate....
Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2024 04:11 PM (FQmDC)

Ah, the Ukraine model…

Posted by: tubal at April 10, 2024 04:12 PM (PCK5/)

339 Sickening. And Karla's out of prison these days, having a new ident, provided by the shithole Canuckistan government.

well I regret looking that case up

Posted by: brak at April 10, 2024 04:12 PM (25k9m)

340 316 Family.... is Family... and times are tough.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 10, 2024 04:07 PM (xaFKb)

I can't even imagine the idea of a family that does anything but argue with and berate each other.

Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 04:12 PM (UnA8+)

341 I saw a video a couple days ago of two undercover cops dressed as stranded tourists with luggage trying to get Uber drivers to stop and help.

It is illegal for them to make street pick-ups, this was a common undercover technique to hail "gypsy" cabs in NYC (an proto-uber where you had to call the company for pickup as they had no medallion or license to do street pickups.)

So, is this done to help uber (the company) and prevent their drivers freelancing? Or is it done to punish uber drivers? (I think this.) Or is it done to feed the maw of the criminal justice industrial complex, keeping lawyers and police busy.

Posted by: The astounding Gentlemen TIJM at April 10, 2024 04:12 PM (ePOMS)

342 302 I live in Saint Paul, right next to Minneapolis. In the last election, Minneapolis drove out their regular far left group of city council members and put in a majority of hard left socialists/communists.
Posted by: Dave at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (nLwaa)

When can we expect them to build a wall to force taxpayers to stay in Minneapolis?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:12 PM (WLul0)

343 The Wheelbarrows Full Of Dollars To Buy Bread In The U.S. Is Actually Coming In Our Lifetime

But it’ll be a digital wheelbarrow, so not as obvious.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (EXyHK)

344 Never give any money to a panhandler.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (R4t5M)

345 Produce and many grocery items, contrary to propaganda, don’t come from factories. And if prices can’t go up to meet demand because the police say so, you aren’t getting more goods.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:10 PM (WLul0)

Anything canned or packaged (non-produce) come from a factory. Which means anything in that supply chain that gets disrupted from cans, to wrap, to the ink that sprays the use by date on the package will shut down production.

I am not saying you are not right on the price fixing, but it can be both.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (di6C2)

346 Truly, a shithole… want to feel hate, just because you exist?? Try the Gateway City…
Posted by: tubal

--

Related:

We drove in the traffic after the eclipse. It was weird because there were a few outliers here and there (three total that I saw in 200 miles) that would drive down the shoulder to try to get ahead of a dozen folks, but for the most part everyone was very polite and considerate, letting people merge and taking turns when appropriate, etc.

It was sort of odd to realize to realize the demographic that made up the hundreds of miles of traffic.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - If this is how Georgia hires attorneys, imagine how they manage elections at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (6TLQp)

347 Time to increase taxes and print more money to save Ukraine!

Posted by: mrp at April 10, 2024 04:14 PM (rj6Yv)

348 Did I mention that he's always well-scrubbed and smiling?

There was a panhandler on my regular lunch route who I would give a buck to once in a while. Unlike every other panhandler in Austin, instead of standing there looking hangdog with his crappy cardboard sign, he was always smiling, waving and talking to everyone in the near traffic lane. It was a nice enough change that I felt like he earned it.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2024 04:14 PM (/y8xj)

349 343 The Wheelbarrows Full Of Dollars To Buy Bread In The U.S. Is Actually Coming In Our Lifetime

But it’ll be a digital wheelbarrow, so not as obvious.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (EXyHK)

When does the Quatloo become the unit of currency here?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 04:14 PM (ynpvh)

350 My parents would have taken me in during my hard times too but I took after my father and would have worked 24 hours a day digging ditches before I would have asked. In hindsight I think that was stupid of me because that’s what family is for. You just can’t get used to it.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 04:14 PM (MNhXM)

351 I think right now the recruiters are taking people up into their 40's they are so desperate....
Posted by: steevy

---

Can't we have ONE thread that isn't about Ukraine?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - If this is how Georgia hires attorneys, imagine how they manage elections at April 10, 2024 04:14 PM (6TLQp)

352 But it’ll be a digital wheelbarrow, so not as obvious.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (EXyHK)

Tap your card on the thing until it beeps.

Much less traumatic than forking over a twenty for a soda and a bag of chips.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 04:14 PM (GkFGh)

353 Motherfucker panhandling at the wawa gets picked up by some bitch in a new Mercedes saying "how did you do today, honey?"

He tried to "excuse me sir" the next day and i said Fuck You right to his face.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 04:06 PM (GkFGh)

I like a story with a happy ending.
Posted by: spindrift at April 10, 2024 04:09 PM (OguvZ)

Almost worth a stakeout with camera just to catch the next day pickup.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 10, 2024 04:14 PM (W/lyH)

354 Ah, the Ukraine model…
Posted by: tubal at April 10, 2024 04:12 PM (PCK5/)

https://tinyurl.com/pzj73pa9

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:15 PM (di6C2)

355 344 Never give any money to a panhandler.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (R4t5M)

I never do. If they're hungry, I'll feed 'em. If they're cold, I'll get them socks or a blanket. No money, as it can be used for anything.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 10, 2024 04:15 PM (ynpvh)

356 225 An improvement:

Old and Busted: Morning in America

New Hotness: Mourning in America

The difference is "U"!

well, that's a horse of a different colour

Posted by: anachronda at April 10, 2024 04:15 PM (v3pYe)

357 Never give any money to a panhandler.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (R4t5M)

=====

I usually keep an extra apple in my lunch bag and hand them that. I never have any cash anyway.

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 10, 2024 04:15 PM (DRSnL)

358 311 My favorite firefighters scam is that they are mandated so many days off each week enough that they can work full time in a different jurisdiction on their "days off"

2 full time jobs.
2 full time vacation days.
2 full retirements.

And you're paying for it.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 10, 2024 04:06 PM (yikga)

You’d love SAFD’s pay hike demands. Something like 37% over the next four years or so, IIRC.

Firefighters (and anyone else who takes a paycheck from taxpayers) should not ever be allowed to be in a union. Period.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:15 PM (WLul0)

359
354 Ah, the Ukraine model…
Posted by: tubal at April 10, 2024 04:12 PM (PCK5/)

https://tinyurl.com/pzj73pa9
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:15 PM (di6C2)

You did a good deed there….

Posted by: tubal at April 10, 2024 04:16 PM (PCK5/)

360 Not at my job. My supervisor gets to hand-pick his next successor (and in fact already did, a 21 year old kid fresh out of school). There's no promotions that I can get in this office.

But I don't have the skills to quit and start over anywhere that isn't McDonald's.
Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 04:01 PM (UnA8+)

Don't quit...but put yourself out there with resumes and job applications. Learn skills on your down time (my brother learned Chinese at night, so he could switch career fields out of comp sci and into fashion/leather industry)...the internet is great for that...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 04:16 PM (exHjb)

361 This redhead in her underwear has been known to sometimes stop in at Panera:

Does she ever stop in at Panera when's she's fully clothed?
Because it sounds-depending on the season- rather chilly.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 10, 2024 04:16 PM (XkYcA)

362 The last time I remember seeing panhandlers, two of them got in a fist fight while I was waiting for the light to change. Think it was over the spot.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:16 PM (di6C2)

363 Never had a Uber ride yet ( had a charge from California on a credit card once but it was a scam)
But would think it was a chance to see if the Uber picked them up under the table?

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2024 04:17 PM (fwDg9)

364 When I lived in MPLS there was a panhandler that took the same bus I did from my neighborhood to downtown.

He may have lived with elderly parents or something but I think there's a chance he made enough money to afford to live in the same place I did.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 10, 2024 04:17 PM (z/ifB)

365 It was a nice enough change that I felt like he earned it.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2024 04:14 PM (/y8xj)

I knew a panhandler like that... always hung out the same place, never bothered no one, so no one ever shooed her away... i went to give her a couple bucks one day like i often did and she says "nah, I'm actually doing alright lately, but thanks".... i guess she was just a creature of habit? I dunno.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 04:17 PM (GkFGh)

366 42 The true minimum wage is zero.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 10, 2024 03:21 PM (BxvY+)

It is what WE say it is. You pay it, or we will blow your fucking head off. Pure and simple. You can afford it, you rich piece of shit.

Posted by: Government and their enforcers, the police at April 10, 2024 04:17 PM (WLul0)

367 357 Never give any money to a panhandler.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (R4t5M)

=====

I usually keep an extra apple in my lunch bag and hand them that. I never have any cash anyway.
Posted by: Jordan61 at April 10, 2024 04:15 PM (DRSnL)

I gave a homeless guy a sandwich and some fruit and a water because he had a dog with him. He put the food in his stuff and didn't eat it immediately. I was hoping he'd share it with the dog. I think the dog got him more money, and I'll never do that again.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 04:17 PM (N+f71)

368 "two of them got in a fist fight while I was waiting for the light to change. Think it was over the spot."

They're like gulls fighting over french fries if you toss down a twenty.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 04:17 PM (iFMeW)

369 Plus, Panera is overpriced crap. That does not show good sense.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:17 PM (di6C2)

370 Time to increase taxes and print more money to save Ukraine!

Posted by: mrp at April 10, 2024 04:14 PM (rj6Yv)

----------------

We have to secure the borders of 150 other countries around the world.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 10, 2024 04:18 PM (df90r)

371 Maybe the first step is to tax the living crap out of every private college/university endowment worth over $1,000,000,000.

Posted by: mrp at April 10, 2024 04:18 PM (rj6Yv)

372 Mike Johnson heap big mad Trump tanked FISA.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 04:18 PM (iFMeW)

373 Hey Arizona abortion fans - move to Ohio! We guarantee the right to abortion up to the moment of birth, plus a comfortable margin. It's in our state constitution!

Posted by: Oglebay at April 10, 2024 04:18 PM (ogTiX)

374 My local.community is building a huge new police/fire department/city office structure. Now they just put out a bond for vote. apparently they are running low on funds to pay the Fire.Dept.
Voted no.
Plan better dumbasses.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 10, 2024 04:18 PM (W/lyH)

375 When does the Quatloo become the unit of currency here?

At this point we’ll probably go for the ubiquitous “credit” so favored in old sci-fi stories. It’s easily adjectivized.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 10, 2024 04:18 PM (EXyHK)

376 I never do. If they're hungry, I'll feed 'em. If they're cold, I'll get them socks or a blanket. No money, as it can be used for anything.
---
In ATL I often was asked for MARTA fare. I got in the habit of keeping a spare card with one round trip loaded. Some people took it. Some turned it down.

I also constantly got asked for directions. Do I look like I know where I'm going?

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 10, 2024 04:19 PM (wQXfi)

377 And yet Uber and Lyft's executives will, undoubtedly, continue to contribute heavily to Democrat politicians.

www.uber.com/us/en/about/diversity/
lol, "Diversity and Inclusion" in the title but "Diversity, equity, and inclusion" in the text

https://www.lyft.com/diversity
and Belonging!

Posted by: Sweet Baby! at April 10, 2024 04:19 PM (hSwza)

378 344 Never give any money to a panhandler.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (R4t5M)

I'd be interested in why. Seriously.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2024 04:19 PM (o3SCB)

379 I had a chick come up to me asking for a handout because she needed money to get transportation to a job interview. She was holding a smartphone.

I asked her rhetorically if she knew why America was great. Because only in America do people asking for handouts have smartphones. I gave her a dollar to pay for my snark.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 04:19 PM (MNhXM)

380 There was a panhandler on my regular lunch route who I would give a buck to once in a while. Unlike every other panhandler in Austin, instead of standing there looking hangdog with his crappy cardboard sign, he was always smiling, waving and talking to everyone in the near traffic lane. It was a nice enough change that I felt like he earned it.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 10, 2024 04:14 PM (/y8xj)
++++
I gave money to a bum in San Francisco once. The BART (transit system) ticket kiosks were inscrutable and I had to buy a train ticket to the airport. Dude walked up to me and said, "I can tell you're from out of town. Going to the airport? Yeah, I figured. These machines suck. Here's how you do it..." He walked me through it. I shoved the money in and gave him the change. He provided an authentic service.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 04:20 PM (HnUIn)

381 Someone is going to have to play Paul Volker next year and be the devil who has raises the Fed Fund rate to sky high levels in order to drop inflation - otherwise only someone earning wheelbarrows full of gold bricks is going to be the lucky guy all alone in a store buying groceries.

No amount of hard work and having three jobs is going to outpace an inflation rate that we currently have.

Going to be a lot of pain in the first year of a Trump admin in order to do it, but it will have to be done.

Posted by: Boswell at April 10, 2024 04:20 PM (K+UlC)

382 The population of St. Louis is 27% what it was in 1950.

Once a glorious city that inspired songs.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at April 10, 2024 04:21 PM (wzAuc)

383 It's way better to me to give to someone in need but not asking

Posted by: Skip at April 10, 2024 04:21 PM (fwDg9)

384 Over in Phoenix on Peoria and the frontage road by the QT I watched a couple female panhandlers both with small dogs, whip out their cell phones and call over two other female panhandlers who also had small dogs.
They then proceeded to occupy every corner of the intersection and beg for money.

Posted by: Erebus-ex-killer whale at April 10, 2024 04:21 PM (lAjBs)

385 Related:

We drove in the traffic after the eclipse. It was weird because there were a few outliers here and there (three total that I saw in 200 miles) that would drive down the shoulder to try to get ahead of a dozen folks, but for the most part everyone was very polite and considerate, letting people merge and taking turns when appropriate, etc.

It was sort of odd to realize to realize the demographic that made up the hundreds of miles of traffic.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - If this is how Georgia hires attorneys, imagine how they manage elections at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (6TLQp)

I-10 from Comfort to San Antonio was packed after the eclipse, but everyone made it work. (It was also a massive DPS convention.)

Back in 2017 (August 21) a three hour drive back to Denver took 10. Heading down I-25 from Exit 126 in WY back to Denver, it was actually one of the best-natured, feel-good traffic jams I was ever a part of.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:22 PM (WLul0)

386 376 I also constantly got asked for directions. Do I look like I know where I'm going?
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 10, 2024 04:19 PM (wQXfi)

LOL

Posted by: m at April 10, 2024 04:22 PM (o3SCB)

387 The last one to get me was a woman (eastern European) with a kid with her.

The kids always get me- which is probably why the smart ones use them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:22 PM (di6C2)

388 They're like gulls fighting over french fries if you toss down a twenty.

Posted by: Ribbed at April 10, 2024 04:17 PM (iFMeW)

---------------

And I fought
I fought so hard today
I just fought
I fought all night and day
I couldn't get away

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 10, 2024 04:22 PM (df90r)

389 My father would have said "You're a grown adult and these are the consequences. Should have got a second job. Good luck out on the streets."
Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (UnA8+)

Sometimes we get stuck with really sh!tty parents.

The real trick is to succeed in spite of them.

When I was a teen I walked an hour and a half to get to my car-hop job. Because I wanted OUT of that situation.

Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question at April 10, 2024 04:22 PM (JCLJi)

390 I gave money to a bum in San Francisco once. The BART (transit system) ticket kiosks were inscrutable and I had to buy a train ticket to the airport. Dude walked up to me and said, "I can tell you're from out of town. Going to the airport? Yeah, I figured. These machines suck. Here's how you do it..." He walked me through it. I shoved the money in and gave him the change. He provided an authentic service.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 04:20 PM (HnUIn)

Those are the only folks I give money to. I was in Vegas and a guy was standing by the parking ticket paying machines, and apparently they wouldn't take money as "payment" but would take "room keys" - after hitting the call button on the machine with no help coming or answering, a guy walked over and said he'd use his room key to check us out if we gave him $2 less than the parking fee would be. Sold. If the casino wanted my money, they should have answered their call button or sent someone vs having my parking continue to escalate. I knew this guy was making a living on this b/c he knew the casino wouldn't fix it, but I didn't care - he did me a service and got me a paid parking ticket to put in the exit.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 04:23 PM (exHjb)

391 382 The population of St. Louis is 27% what it was in 1950.

Once a glorious city that inspired songs.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at April 10, 2024 04:21 PM (wzAuc)

Now do Detroit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:23 PM (di6C2)

392 Just got a note from a buddy in Hawaii. Apparently Maui is crawling with environmental asshats doing fire follow-up. So many that the hotels are full and they are having to put them in the bigger suites. $15k a night.
Paid for with your tax dollars.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 10, 2024 04:23 PM (W/lyH)

393 there's a NOOD

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 10, 2024 04:23 PM (wQXfi)

394 378 344 Never give any money to a panhandler.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (R4t5M)

I'd be interested in why. Seriously.
Posted by: m at April 10, 2024 04:19 PM (o3SCB)

Because you're only feeding their habit, more than likely and if you truly want to help, donate that dollar to a charity that you are familiar with that works with homelsss people.
a lot of the shelters won't let people in if they are using.

Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 04:23 PM (N+f71)

395 He walked me through it. I shoved the money in and gave him the change. He provided an authentic service.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at April 10, 2024 04:20 PM (HnUIn)

That's how the Real America works.

Posted by: mrp at April 10, 2024 04:24 PM (rj6Yv)

396 only in America do people asking for handouts have smartphones. I gave her a dollar to pay for my snark.
Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 04:19 PM (MNhXM)
......

Did you then tell her not to spend it all in one place?

Posted by: wth at April 10, 2024 04:24 PM (v0R5T)

397 The state of Minnesota is really split 50/50. The Democrats barely took over the house in the last election. Of course, since they're Democrats, they voted in unison for a radical agenda.

Posted by: Dave at April 10, 2024 04:24 PM (nLwaa)

398 394 378 344 Never give any money to a panhandler.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (R4t5M)

I'd be interested in why. Seriously.
Posted by: m at April 10, 2024 04:19 PM (o3SCB)

Because you're only feeding their habit, more than likely and if you truly want to help, donate that dollar to a charity that you are familiar with that works with homelsss people.
a lot of the shelters won't let people in if they are using.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 04:23 PM (N+f71)

I appreciate your answer.

Posted by: m at April 10, 2024 04:24 PM (o3SCB)

399 Now do Detroit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:23 PM (di6C2)

Nobody sings about Detroit. Come on, man.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 10, 2024 04:25 PM (GkFGh)

400 The kids always get me- which is probably why the smart ones use them.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:22 PM (di6C2)

---------------

Always breaks my heart (but cynical enough to suspect manipulation).

Lots of them here in AZ use dogs in the same way.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at April 10, 2024 04:25 PM (df90r)

401 Posted by: Boswell at April 10, 2024 04:20 PM (K+UlC)

Trump internally campaigned with the Fed not to raise rates in the last years of his administration.

Don’t depend on any politician to do the right thing.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 04:25 PM (MNhXM)

402 I only help American panhandlers.
Don't have enough $$ for such folly.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at April 10, 2024 04:26 PM (J8LnB)

403 Nood news!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 10, 2024 04:26 PM (DfCet)

404 Did you then tell her not to spend it all in one place?
Posted by: wth at April 10, 2024 04:24 PM (v0R5T)

That snark would have cost me a fiver.

Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2024 04:27 PM (MNhXM)

405
I am not saying you are not right on the price fixing, but it can be both.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (di6C2)

It can be…but back then, at the beginning, there was no fatigue. Not yet. If prices were allowed to rise, things would have been OK and things would remain on the shelves. But the government and the police said “no”.

And yes, food is canned in various places, but last I checked, food doesn’t come from factories. Farms and ranches to be sure,

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:27 PM (WLul0)

406 If a homeless person has a dog, is the dog homeless?

Posted by: Don Black at April 10, 2024 04:27 PM (oCjPU)

407 398 394 378 344 Never give any money to a panhandler.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 10, 2024 04:13 PM (R4t5M)

I'd be interested in why. Seriously.
Posted by: m at April 10, 2024 04:19 PM (o3SCB)

Because you're only feeding their habit, more than likely and if you truly want to help, donate that dollar to a charity that you are familiar with that works with homelsss people.
a lot of the shelters won't let people in if they are using.
Posted by: CaliGirl at April 10, 2024 04:23 PM (N+f71)

I appreciate your answer.
Posted by: m at April 10, 2024 04:24 PM (o3SCB)

I like to say that paying a panhandler is an economic signal that they should continue.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:28 PM (WLul0)

408 nood Horrywood!

Posted by: andycanuck (vtyCZ) at April 10, 2024 04:28 PM (vtyCZ)

409 241 My niece is finishing her master's degree in history and is bound and determined to go on for a Ph.D. (she is at least taking a year off and doing some adjunct teaching to see how that goes)

She is very bright and pretty grounded, but I don't think this is a good decision... of course, it ain't my place to say anything, just pray and root for her...
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 10, 2024 03:48 PM (wQXfi)

You can always say something. You don't need to be confrontational, but sounding boards and advice are always welcome. My spouse stopped some younger work mates from doing stupid and pricey educational stuff, and he gets thanked to this day.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 10, 2024 03:52 PM (exHjb)

I could have gone on to a PhD in history. I decided not to. It is being consigned to a life of poverty. For what? And it is seven years off your life just to get one.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 10, 2024 04:30 PM (WLul0)

410 If Republicans were smart, they'd push for higher national min. wage---with strong enforcement. It'd be a great way to drive out the illegals.

Most of this is status anxiety. Oh no, some lower status guy might get more respect. Just talked to a nurse, and she got snippy about 'not being Burger King'. Well, at BK, I get what I need, and they did not spend the last three years trying to force tens of millions of people into poisoning themselves with a clot shot.

Problem with this status anxiety is money amounts mean self worth in America. One big problem with that, is that how much money you get and how much use you are are significantly disconnected. Everyone has seen the person who does most of the work while five to seven others do little, and often some of them get paid more. Some of you have been that person.

"They'll just shift to automation"....well, yes, and its about time. Automation is how you improve productivity and wages.

Also, if you want people to deeply care and try hard to learn, you need to PAY them well. People don't hardly try because pay is garbage for a long time. It creates a culture of low expectations on the worker and the employer.

Posted by: Eric2 at April 10, 2024 04:35 PM (hSVY4)

411 Posted by: XTC at April 10, 2024 04:04 PM (UnA8+)

Sometimes we get stuck with really sh!tty parents.

The real trick is to succeed in spite of them.

When I was a teen I walked an hour and a half to get to my car-hop job. Because I wanted OUT of that situation.
Posted by: Lady Who Always Has a Burning Question
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I was taught that you must do everything in your power to help family.

No, wait. *I* must do everything in my power to help them. They on the other hand, well that is another matter.

My biggest betrayals were from family. I still wake up nights wondering how the hell they sleep at night -- isn't that a kick in the head? Deep down I know they sleep just fine.

Posted by: The astonishing Gentlemen TIJM at April 10, 2024 04:37 PM (ePOMS)

412 I saw an idiot on reddit retort that if you don't pay a living wage, who is going to serve you your donuts (or whatever fast food chain they were talking about).

As we know, the answer is nobody, because the place will be closed.

Look, you can pay all your own workers a living wage, and if you can get people to come to your store and pay $25 for a single cheeseburger, you will be rich!

Posted by: RealityMain at April 10, 2024 04:37 PM (xsWV3)

413 What happens is young guy does something dumb. Gets a ticket and is fined. Can't pay the fine. Has to drive to work so gets more tickets and fines. Can't get a better job because no license. Happened to my stepson, who finally got the money to pay it all off and get his license back.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 10, 2024 04:42 PM (yeEu9)

414 All of this economic misery is Paul/Sid's idea of Utopia. That's how stupid leftists are. Very, very stupid. Incomprehensibly stupid.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 10, 2024 04:54 PM (mupln)

415 Sorry Rosebud but when you defund the Police and fund Illegal Aliens you have to pay the Piper sooner or later

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at April 10, 2024 06:01 PM (wGqjj)

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