The "Holy Grail of Shipwrecks" Ready to Be Plundered of Its Estimated <i>$17 Billion</i> in Booty

The "Holy Grail of Shipwrecks" Ready to Be Plundered of Its Estimated $17 Billion in Booty

Since the Colombian navy discovered the final resting place of the Spanish galleon San José in 2015, its location has remained a state secret, the wreck -- and its precious cargo -- left deep under the waters of the Caribbean.
Efforts to conserve the ship and recover its precious cargo have been caught up in a complicated string of international legal disputes, with Colombia, Spain, Bolivian Indigenous groups and a US salvage company laying claim to the wreck, and the gold, silver and emeralds onboard thought to be worth as much as $17bn.
When Colombia tried to auction off part of the bounty to fund the colossal costs of recovering the ship, Unesco and the country's high courts intervened.
But eight years after the discovery, officials now say they are pushing politics to one side and could begin lifting artefacts from the "holy grail of shipwrecks" as soon as April.
"There has been this persistent view of the galleon as a treasure trove. We want to turn the page on that," Alhena Caicedo, director of the Colombian Institute of Anthropology and History, said. "We aren't thinking about treasure. We're thinking about how to access the historical and archeological information at the site."

I don't believe you.

The San José was returning to Europe with treasures to help fund the war of the Spanish succession when it was sunk by a British squadron in 1708, close to the Caribbean port city of Cartagena.
Historians say the wreck could help reveal much about the Spanish empire at the height of its power -- and the shared, overlapping histories of Europe and Latin America.
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The closest comparison would probably be to the Mary Rose, the flagship of Henry VIII's fleet, which sank in 1545 while in battle with the French fleet off the coast of Portsmouth.

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But while the Mary Rose lay in frigid coastal waters, the San José sank in deep, tropical waters which will probably have been cruel to the ship and could make the recovery one of the most costly and complex in history.

Don't look at that painting for too long. Looking at paintings of ships may cause White Supremacy.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 04:40 PM

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1 Yo.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 22, 2024 04:40 PM (DTX3h)

2 Or, should I say, "Yarrrr."

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at March 22, 2024 04:41 PM (DTX3h)

3 This another art thread?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 22, 2024 04:42 PM (GBKbO)

4 Hire OceansGate... they've got a real history on wrecks.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 22, 2024 04:43 PM (Q4IgG)

5 Why not plunder it, gold and silver prices are through the roof.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 22, 2024 04:43 PM (QNSds)

6 Pretty sure that treasure trove is under Oak Island.

Posted by: Northernlurker at March 22, 2024 04:43 PM (EjmGU)

7 Big deal, $17 billion in Biden bucks only buys you a Big Mac.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 22, 2024 04:44 PM (++4z6)

8 Bolivian Indigenous groups claim this wreck?

Posted by: Beloved Bolivian Bologna at March 22, 2024 04:44 PM (h8c/W)

9 We're talking about popcorn, right?

Posted by: WisRich at March 22, 2024 04:44 PM (G0vdT)

10 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at March 22, 2024 04:45 PM (fACYj)

11 Was it ill-gotten booty?

Ill-booten gotty?

(obscure sitcom reference)
name the show and win a new Buick

Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 04:45 PM (oCjPU)

12 hiya

Posted by: JT at March 22, 2024 04:46 PM (T4tVD)

13 Bolivian Indigenous groups
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How do they come into this? I say, if they want to free dive down to the wreck, let 'em.

Otherwise they're just trying to their snouts in the trough.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 04:46 PM (YqDXo)

14 "(obscure sitcom reference)
name the show and win a new Buick"

Imma gonna say F-Troop

Posted by: Outside of Life at March 22, 2024 04:46 PM (89Sog)

15 There's no booty there. It's on Oak Island.

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 04:46 PM (v0R5T)

16 Ain't nowhere as sweet as Fani's!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at March 22, 2024 04:46 PM (0eaVi)

17 It really is astounding how much treasure Spain looted from the New World. I recall when the Atocha was finally located and the treasure mostly recovered off the coast of Florida, it was estimated to have been carrying (in 1990's dollars) about $400 million worth of gold and other treasures.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 22, 2024 04:47 PM (i9ffA)

18 I don't know if it's a good idea or not, but I've started buying silver. A few coins, and one 10 oz nugget, shaped like a tombstone (because I'm silly).

I had no idea 10 oz. would weigh that much (because I'm stupid).

Anyhoo, I'm prolly paying more than I should for it. I have two coins in my pocket as we speak. Just something cool about them. Gold seems too gaudy to me.

Posted by: George T. at March 22, 2024 04:47 PM (dGCAG)

19 Treasure? I laugh at treasure! I want knowledge!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 22, 2024 04:47 PM (FVME7)

20 That's a big juicy booty

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 22, 2024 04:47 PM (NtVYv)

21 Bolivian Indigenous groups
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Notice how our dusky friends are always quick on the draw for free shit?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 04:47 PM (YqDXo)

22 $17 billion sounds like a lot but it's nearly exactly just one day of spending by the US government.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2024 04:48 PM (Gse2f)

23 I don't believe you.

I don't either

Posted by: vic at March 22, 2024 04:48 PM (A5THL)

24 "(obscure sitcom reference)
name the show and win a new Buick"

Imma gonna say F-Troop

It was MASH but I don't remember the context. Probably Hawkeye mocking Burns or something.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 22, 2024 04:48 PM (sNc8Y)

25 there was a symposium about the wreck, the equipment and the agreements to raise the wreck last month

Too bad it is in Spanish

https://youtu.be/OMfU3H2diOg

Posted by: Kindltot at March 22, 2024 04:48 PM (D7oie)

26 (obscure sitcom reference)
name the show and win a new Buick
Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 04:45 PM (oCjPU)

MASH.

Posted by: George T. at March 22, 2024 04:48 PM (dGCAG)

27 Bolivian Indigenous groups claim this wreck?
Posted by: Beloved Bolivian Bologna at March 22, 2024 04:44 PM (h8c/W)
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Haitian groups claim the wreck that is Haiti.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 04:48 PM (YqDXo)

28 Huh huh. You said booty.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at March 22, 2024 04:49 PM (/Td2i)

29 Cool.

Funny how people swarm over the gold, and have no interest in shit holes like Haiti.

Because gold.

And because Haiti.

Interesting question as to who owns the treasure though.

Spanish, cause they had it?
Colombia, because it is in their waters?
The Brits, because they "captured" it? (LOL)
Rando indigenous, because they were stone age (ok, unfair) natives?

I say give it to illegal aliens in 'Murica who GTFO and go to Colombia.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 04:49 PM (ufFY8)

30 >6
Northernlurker
.......

I shoulda known I wasn't the only one.

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 04:49 PM (v0R5T)

31 I was promised nude booty.

Posted by: Max Power at March 22, 2024 04:49 PM (q177U)

32 How deep is the ocean?
How high is the sky?

Posted by: runner at March 22, 2024 04:49 PM (V13WU)

33 I wonder how involved the cartels will be in the recovery of the SAN JOSE?

Posted by: Cosda at March 22, 2024 04:49 PM (PpIXw)

34 It was MASH but I don't remember the context. Probably Hawkeye mocking Burns or something.
Posted by: Oddbob at March 22, 2024 04:48 PM (sNc8Y)

Dammit! Not only did I miss out on a second of Don's Buicks, but I posted with a sock, so it prolly wouldn't have counted.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 22, 2024 04:50 PM (dGCAG)

35 $17 billion sounds like a lot but it's nearly exactly just one day of spending by the US government.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2024 04:48 PM (Gse2f)
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Then we claim the wreck, on behalf of next federal payday.

Posted by: Joey Choo Choo at March 22, 2024 04:50 PM (QjFEt)

36 There was no 'White Supremisms' below decks on any of those ships, every one of them Tars suffered as slaves.

Posted by: dc at March 22, 2024 04:50 PM (u0crE)

37
"The San José was returning to Europe with treasures to help fund the war of the Spanish succession when..."

Who was Spain "succeeding" from?
Were they successful in doing so?

If there's a seed of doubt I'll be happy to cede the point.

Posted by: Grammar Gestapo at March 22, 2024 04:50 PM (DR8NB)

38 Rando indigenous, because they were stone age (ok, unfair) natives?
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Wut? Totally fair. Generous, even.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 04:50 PM (YqDXo)

39 >>How deep is the ocean?
How high is the sky?

How deep is your love?

Posted by: Bary Gibb at March 22, 2024 04:51 PM (UdpGB)

40 22 $17 billion sounds like a lot but it's nearly exactly just one day of spending by the US government.
_____

Have you tried to payoff hundreds of congressman? It goes quick I tell you.

Posted by: Ukraine Laundry Service at March 22, 2024 04:51 PM (WRz51)

41 $17 billion sounds like a lot but it's nearly exactly just one day of spending by the US government.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 22, 2024 04:48 PM (Gse2f)
.......

Yeah, peanuts. They just spent another $1.2 trillion.
I'm not going to do Math to figure how many days that is.

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 04:51 PM (v0R5T)

42 It really is astounding how much treasure Spain looted from the New World. I recall when the Atocha was finally located and the treasure mostly recovered off the coast of Florida, it was estimated to have been carrying (in 1990's dollars) about $400 million worth of gold and other treasures.
Posted by: Tomboots.

And here is another billion they looted, uh found and insist it is still theirs all these years later.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at March 22, 2024 04:51 PM (/Td2i)

43 I was just making a guess. Sounds like something Agarn would say.

Posted by: Outside of Life at March 22, 2024 04:51 PM (89Sog)

44 This is so cool!

A long time ago I went to my local jewelry store they had people from Mel Fischer there with artifacts and jewelry for sale and showed a movie about how they found the Atocha, which sunk in I believe off of florida. It was fascinating.
I recall either the state of Florida or the US government tried to take what they found, I believe they went to court and won. I believe the Atocha sunk in 1622 off of the florida keys.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 22, 2024 04:51 PM (camRx)

45 We're thinking about how to access the historical and archeological information at the site."

We've lowered our rates!

Posted by: OceanGate at March 22, 2024 04:52 PM (+myjY)

46 Columbian cartels will kill the treasure hunters and take everything.. They'll allege it was indigenous gold and belongs to the people, namely them

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 22, 2024 04:52 PM (O8bOp)

47 Sorry, 17 billion they liberated...

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at March 22, 2024 04:52 PM (/Td2i)

48 Yeah, peanuts. They just spent another $1.2 trillion.
I'm not going to do Math to figure how many days that is.
Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 04:51 PM (v0R5T)

120 days, I think.

$1t every 100 days. That is either spent, or the increase in debt.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 04:52 PM (ufFY8)

49 That 17 billion could fund 3 days of ammo for Ukraine!

Posted by: Miss Lindsay at March 22, 2024 04:53 PM (0AZuq)

50 $17 billion of plunder? Letitia James will be on this soon.

Posted by: Ripley at March 22, 2024 04:53 PM (JojsZ)

51 If the wreck is in Colombian territorial waters, I guess Colombia owns it. If it lies outside the 12-mile limit, it's fair game.

I'd LMAO if they commence salvage operations, and discover that the wreck has already been picked clean by stealthy treasure hunters.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2024 04:53 PM (tkR6S)

52 Uh Oh, Louis Vuitton is selling pro-pali t-shirts.

https://tinyurl.com/2s442a2r

Posted by: runner at March 22, 2024 04:53 PM (V13WU)

53 We're thinking about how to access the historical and archeological information at the site."
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We've lowered our rates!
Posted by: OceanGate at March 22, 2024 04:52 PM (+myjY)

Business should be expanding then.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 22, 2024 04:54 PM (dGCAG)

54 Time to burn your LV luggage !

Posted by: runner at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (V13WU)

55 Are there any Palestinians For Queers shirts?

Posted by: I gotta ask at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (DR8NB)

56 Uh Oh, Louis Vuitton is selling pro-pali t-shirts.

https://tinyurl.com/2s442a2r
Posted by: runner at March 22, 2024 04:53 PM (V13WU)

They must approve of rape-rape, then.

Scumbags.

Them, and their purses.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (ufFY8)

57 I checked, the state of Florida tried to take 25 percent of the treasure and the treasure hunters fought for 8 years, Supreme Court ruled the treasure hunters would get it all.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (camRx)

58 "The San José was returning to Europe with treasures to help fund the war of the Spanish succession when..."

Who was Spain "succeeding" from?
Were they successful in doing so?

If there's a seed of doubt I'll be happy to cede the point.
Posted by: Grammar Gestapo at March 22, 2024 04:50 PM (DR8NB)

Spain's king was dying and the idea of most powers was that the inheritance should be split up. But the king did not agree and made a will to give it to a relation of Louis XIV of France. The other powers didn't want to see Spain and France unified and a big war was the result.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (eoQWY)

59 I recall either the state of Florida or the US government tried to take what they found
___________________

This is what I meant about grifters trying to get their snouts in the trough.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (YqDXo)

60 Uh Oh, Louis Vuitton is selling pro-pali t-shirts.

What they really need is a stylish swastika armband.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (+myjY)

61 Arr. She be a cold winter. Bring me the rum and cabin boy.
*crashes into reef*

Posted by: Captain of the San Jose at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (v0R5T)

62 This another art thread?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 22, 2024 04:42 PM (GBKbO)
*******
No dog, therefore not art.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 22, 2024 04:56 PM (NpAcC)

63 Out: rooftop Koreans
In: rooftop Pali fags

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 04:56 PM (YqDXo)

64 Did they sink near Haiti? Cuz they could use some of that booty.

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 04:57 PM (v0R5T)

65 $17 billion of plunder? Letitia James will be on this soon.
Posted by: Ripley at March 22, 2024 04:53 PM (JojsZ)
_____________

She should be picking cotton.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 04:57 PM (YqDXo)

66 >It was MASH but I don't remember the context. Probably Hawkeye mocking Burns or something.

Posted by: Oddbob

----
🔔🔔🔔

Come on down and pick up the keys to your NEW BUICK!

Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 04:57 PM (oCjPU)

67 "Bolivian Indigenous groups claim this wreck?
Posted by: Beloved Bolivian Bologna "

Probably came from the mines in Potosi. There is a huge mountain there that is caving in form all the mining and tunnels. And they are still digging.

Posted by: Ripley at March 22, 2024 04:57 PM (JojsZ)

68 Did they sink near Haiti? Cuz they could use some of that booty.
Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 04:57 PM (v0R5T)
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Nah. They'd just piss it away.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 04:57 PM (YqDXo)

69 Afternoon.

Naval action on the high seas. Love the color and mood.

Would hang.

Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2024 04:58 PM (1Yy3c)

70 I checked, the state of Florida tried to take 25 percent of the treasure and the treasure hunters fought for 8 years, Supreme Court ruled the treasure hunters would get it all.
Posted by: CaliGirl

What is the law of the sea on salvage operations?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2024 04:58 PM (G8h7g)

71 I thought sunken treasure was 'finders keepers'

Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 04:58 PM (oCjPU)

72 Naval action on the high seas. Love the color and mood.

Would hang.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2024 04:58 PM (1Yy3c)

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RACIST

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 22, 2024 04:59 PM (DRSnL)

73 *Checks time*

Wait a second. It's not quite 4PM. Art threads are posted at 8:30AM on the nose.

I'm confused.

Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2024 04:59 PM (1Yy3c)

74 News Flash:

Chinese ministry of state claims the Caribbean falls within the Dash 9 line. Therefore the treasure belongs to China. They'll be sending a salvage ship as soon as it finishes with an sunken WW II Allied cruiser in the Sundra sea.

Posted by: Beartooth at March 22, 2024 04:59 PM (LjgPm)

75 But while the Mary Rose lay in frigid coastal waters, the San José sank in deep, tropical waters which will probably have been cruel to the ship and could make the recovery one of the most costly and complex in history.

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The San José is the Ace of Spades of Mary Roses.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 22, 2024 04:59 PM (iWV74)

76 >What they really need is a stylish swastika armband.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (+myjY)

Yo, this is my corner.

Posted by: Hugo Boss at March 22, 2024 04:59 PM (GTqXr)

77 RACIST
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 22, 2024 04:59 PM (DRSnL)

Never trust a Visigoth.

Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2024 05:00 PM (1Yy3c)

78 Naval action >> burning theaters.

Posted by: Crazy muzzie Houthis at March 22, 2024 05:00 PM (ufFY8)

79 Re: "no love lost" in the sidebar, the ill-will interpretation probably comes from the idea that there was no love to begin with, thus none could be lost. Like "couldn't care less."

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at March 22, 2024 05:00 PM (Dm8we)

80 Are there any Palestinians For Queers shirts?
Posted by: I gotta ask at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (DR8NB)
.......

I don't know, but here's some shirts they might like:

https://tinyurl.com/43pfzf85

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 05:00 PM (v0R5T)

81 The 100 comment rule is being violated left and right.

It's just total anarchy.

Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2024 05:01 PM (1Yy3c)

82 There's an Oak Island spin-off series in there somewhere.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 22, 2024 05:01 PM (iWV74)

83 I don't know, but here's some shirts they might like:

https://tinyurl.com/43pfzf85

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 05:00 PM (v0R5T)

I am sort of digging the bowling shirt.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 05:02 PM (ufFY8)

84 I found a gold ring whilst diving one time. I think my wife still has it. Not something super nice, but when we had it checked, it was 18K. Some sort of band (not a wedding band) with a detailed pattern in it.

I also found a shoe.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 22, 2024 05:02 PM (Q4IgG)

85 The 100 comment rule is being violated left and right.

It's just total anarchy.
Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2024 05:01 PM (1Yy3c)

dude, that rule only exists on the art thread !
some threads are narrow topics - like pets and hobbies

Posted by: runner at March 22, 2024 05:03 PM (V13WU)

86 I checked, the state of Florida tried to take 25 percent of the treasure and the treasure hunters fought for 8 years, Supreme Court ruled the treasure hunters would get it all.
Posted by: CaliGirl

What is the law of the sea on salvage operations?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2024 04:58 PM

Strict maritime salvage laws say whoever gets there first owns it. I tired that when a Russian barge broke loose from a tow in the channel at GITMO when we were stationed there.

I was out fishing that night in my boat and saw it break loose, I hightailed it over there to claim the barge under international law but security boats wouldn't let me claim my prize nor get anywhere near the beached barge. I tried to fight it the next day but I was told "shut up" .

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 22, 2024 05:03 PM (QNSds)

87
What is the law of the sea on salvage operations?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 22, 2024 04:58 PM (G8h7g)

I have no idea, I just read Wikipedia. I'm glad those guys won. I couldn't imagine doing all that work, it finally paying off and the government deciding they were going to take it. That just doesn't seem right. They could have just as easily found nothing, they were the people spending time and money and risk to find it, not the government.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 22, 2024 05:03 PM (camRx)

88 Ahoy!

Posted by: redridinghood at March 22, 2024 05:03 PM (NpAcC)

89 "Bolivian Indigenous groups claim this wreck?

Tamale Pirates > Somali pirates

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 22, 2024 05:03 PM (+myjY)

90 REPARATIONS!!!!!!

I find this all interesting. But, what I'm really looking forward to is all the greedy bastards who will try to get their piece of it. The fact that Unesco is involved is all I need to know. There will be at least 40 or 50 claimants filing some lawsuit here or there to get "what's owed to them."

Spain, Columbia, the US salvager...China (who will somehow claim that they control that part of the ocean), The UN will dive in and try to take a chunk. The World Court will somehow suggest that the proceeds need to go to combatting climate change. Museums from around the world will team with Unesco and tie up the proceeds for years and years. The British Royal Museum is an absolute champ at that. This is going to be an total mess and I'm here for it.

Posted by: Orson at March 22, 2024 05:03 PM (dIske)

91 I found a gold ring whilst diving one time.

Me too.
Didn't end well.

Posted by: zombie Deagol at March 22, 2024 05:03 PM (ufFY8)

92 The 100 comment rule is being violated left and right.

It's just total anarchy.

Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2024 05:01 PM (1Yy3c)

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You could be opening a treasure trove of puns.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 22, 2024 05:04 PM (iWV74)

93 $18 billion.
Big Booty has entered the chat.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 22, 2024 05:04 PM (W/lyH)

94 18 Billion is Kardashian size booty

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2024 05:05 PM (fwDg9)

95 $18 billion.
Big Booty has entered the chat.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 22, 2024 05:04 PM (W/lyH)

You know I cannot lie.

Posted by: Sir Mixalot at March 22, 2024 05:05 PM (ufFY8)

96 "We aren't thinking about treasure. We're thinking about how to access the historical and archeological information at the site."

Of course, of course. And I play the lottery to help fund education and definitely not for the payout.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 22, 2024 05:06 PM (aXxgO)

97 I am sort of digging the bowling shirt.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 05:02 PM (ufFY

......

I'm getting the button up Hawaiian one.

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 05:06 PM (v0R5T)

98 Nah. They'd just piss it away.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 04:57 PM (YqDXo)

No they wouldn't. We promise.

Posted by: Clinton Foundation at March 22, 2024 05:06 PM (dGCAG)

99 I have no idea, I just read Wikipedia. I'm glad those guys won. I couldn't imagine doing all that work, it finally paying off and the government deciding they were going to take it. That just doesn't seem right. They could have just as easily found nothing, they were the people spending time and money and risk to find it, not the government.
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*sheds tear* The one that got away.

Posted by: The IRS at March 22, 2024 05:06 PM (WRz51)

100 Big Booty has entered the chat.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 22, 2024 05:04 PM (W/lyH)

It's Big Bootay!!!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Shopping at Bloodbath and Beyond at March 22, 2024 05:06 PM (MvA9C)

101 I got a rock.

Posted by: Charlie Brown at March 22, 2024 05:06 PM (DR8NB)

102 The Templar Gold was on the San Jose?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:06 PM (di6C2)

103 I don't know, but here's some shirts they might like:

https://tinyurl.com/43pfzf85

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 05:00 PM (v0R5T)

I am sort of digging the bowling shirt.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 05:02 PM (ufFY

If I am going to pay 72 bucks for a bowling shirt, it had better have Salma Hayek's tits inside it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2024 05:07 PM (tkR6S)

104 Anybody want to go fishing?

Posted by: Donny Trump at March 22, 2024 05:07 PM (Tckfm)

105
I'm getting the button up Hawaiian one.
Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 05:06 PM (v0R5T)

That one is cool

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 22, 2024 05:07 PM (camRx)

106 "We aren't thinking about treasure. We're thinking about how to access the historical and archeological information at the site."
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I believe you.

Posted by: Guy who reads Playboy for the articles at March 22, 2024 05:08 PM (WRz51)

107 I got a rock.
Posted by: Charlie Brown at March 22, 2024 05:06 PM (DR8NB)

Coal >> lump of rock

Posted by: I dislike Charlie Brown - super overrated. at March 22, 2024 05:08 PM (ufFY8)

108 54 Time to burn your LV luggage !
Posted by: runner at March 22, 2024 04:55 PM (V13WU)

Never understood the attraction to that.

Then again, I use a Carhartt duffel bag when I travel, and shove phone and wallet in my pockets, so I don't need a LV purse, either.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at March 22, 2024 05:08 PM (OX9vb)

109 I heard the Titanic shipwreck has a big ol' diamond necklace somewhere onboard. They made a whole movie about it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 22, 2024 05:08 PM (+myjY)

110 Me too.
Didn't end well.
Posted by: zombie Deagol at March 22, 2024 05:03 PM (ufFY

Quit your complaining. It's not about the destination, it's about the friends we met along the way.

Posted by: Smeagol at March 22, 2024 05:08 PM (dGCAG)

111 You missed the best part of the Guardian report, Ace...

"This article was amended on 18 March 2024. The Mary Rose was in the navy of Henry VIII, not “Henry XIII”. Also, it was likely to have been sunk by its instability during combat, rather than as a direct result of French fire, as an earlier version suggested."

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 22, 2024 05:08 PM (2yu8s)

112 Spain didn't loot anything from the New World.

The native savages were just running around in loin clothes, killing and eating each other.

Hell, they were so ignorant they thought a man on a horse was one complete animal.

People that stupid don't deserve no gold.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 22, 2024 05:08 PM (R/m4+)

113 If I am going to pay 72 bucks for a bowling shirt, it had better have Salma Hayek's tits inside it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2024 05:07 PM (tkR6S)

Or popping out of it during a snake dance.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 22, 2024 05:09 PM (ufFY8)

114 "We aren't thinking about treasure. We're thinking about how to access the historical and archeological information at the site."
___

I believe you.
Posted by: Guy who reads Playboy for the articles at March 22, 2024 05:08 PM (WRz51)

So do I.

Posted by: Guy Who Really Prefers Smaller-Breasted Women at March 22, 2024 05:09 PM (+myjY)

115 Don Black: "name the show and win a new Buick"

Guess wrong and win two new Buicks.

Thank you, and tip the waitress.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 22, 2024 05:10 PM (aXxgO)

116 If I am going to pay 72 bucks for a bowling shirt, it had better have Salma Hayek's tits inside it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2024 05:07 PM (tkR6S)
......

But that would make you look like a girl.

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 05:10 PM (v0R5T)

117 I believe you.

Posted by: Guy who reads Playboy for the articles at March 22, 2024 05:08 PM (WRz51)

Me too....

Posted by: The gal who says size doesn't really matter at March 22, 2024 05:10 PM (YRsIm)

118 Or popping out of it during a snake dance.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 22, 2024 05:09 PM (ufFY

Amendment endorsed!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2024 05:10 PM (tkR6S)

119 I think Lloyd's of London sued for the Atocha gold, too, since they paid the policy on it back in the day. But I might be remembering some other wreck.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2024 05:11 PM (0l8OY)

120 But that would make you look like a girl.
Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 05:10 PM (v0R5T)

Yeah, but they're Selma Hayek's tits!

Posted by: Beavis at March 22, 2024 05:11 PM (ufFY8)

121 116 If I am going to pay 72 bucks for a bowling shirt, it had better have Salma Hayek's tits inside it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2024 05:07 PM (tkR6S)
......

But that would make you look like a girl.
Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 05:10 PM (v0R5T)

I think they look much better on her.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:11 PM (di6C2)

122 Big Booty has entered the chat.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 22, 2024 05:04 PM (W/lyH)
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It's Bigboo-TAY!

Posted by: John Bigboote at March 22, 2024 05:11 PM (7fElN)

123 Bolivian indigenous groups? 🤣🤣
Uhm yeah fuck off. You have nothing to do with those ships.

Posted by: Montec at March 22, 2024 05:12 PM (4+s9S)

124 Or popping out of it during a snake dance.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 22, 2024 05:09 PM (ufFY

From Dusk Til Dawn

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:12 PM (di6C2)

125 Got willowed watching the Russian band links, pretty good sound I think

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2024 05:12 PM (fwDg9)

126 Putin/Russia jumping it up a notch:

"On what basis do officials in Washington draw any conclusions in the midst of a tragedy about someone’s innocence?” She added that if Washington had information, it should be shared and that if Washington had no information, it should not be talking in such a way.

Posted by: WisRich at March 22, 2024 05:12 PM (G0vdT)

127 I don't know, but here's some shirts they might like:

https://tinyurl.com/43pfzf85

62.50 for a tote bag?

RUFFFFKM?

Posted by: Outside of Life at March 22, 2024 05:13 PM (89Sog)

128 Oh, wow, just read the link in the sidebar about Kate Middleton.

Bummer.

Speculation: We've all assumed her "abdominal surgery" was a hysterectomy. Dollars to doughnuts they found either ovarian or cervical or uterine cancer. Likely ovarian, cause cervical or even uterine cancer could be more easily found in a papsmear. Ovarian cancer is much more difficult to detect. Probably also found in early stages. Going from the quotes, the chemotherapy is "preventative."

Very sad. Kate is the only bright spot in that miserable family. And she's genuinely beautiful, which is unusual to say about an Englishwoman. Hoping for the best.

Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2024 05:13 PM (1Yy3c)

129 >>I found a gold ring whilst diving one time.

I found an engagement ring. I got a hug. It was a nice hug don't get me wrong but it wasn't as nice as folding money.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2024 05:13 PM (LkLld)

130 Bolivian indigenous groups? 🤣🤣
Uhm yeah fuck off. You have nothing to do with those ships.
Posted by: Montec at March 22, 2024 05:12 PM (4+s9S)

Don't underestimate those fuckers.

Posted by: Butch and Sundance at March 22, 2024 05:13 PM (ufFY8)

131 "$17 billion of plunder? Letitia James will be on this soon.
Posted by: Ripley at March 22, 2024 04:53 PM (JojsZ)
_____________

She should be picking cotton.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara"
************
That fattie wouldn't last a day in the fields.

Posted by: Cosda at March 22, 2024 05:13 PM (myK50)

132 "The San José was returning to Europe with treasures to help fund the war of the Spanish succession when..."

Who was Spain "succeeding" from?
Were they successful in doing so?

If there's a seed of doubt I'll be happy to cede the point.
===
The Habsburg Spanish king died without an heir and the Austrian Habsburgs and the French Bourbons fought a war over who would succeed to the Spanish throne. The French claimant won.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 22, 2024 05:14 PM (2yu8s)

133 Funny. The Spam shirt sizes go up to XXX-LARGE

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 05:14 PM (v0R5T)

134 FUN FACT: The Ainu are indigenous to both Bolivia and Japan.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 22, 2024 05:14 PM (+myjY)

135 ""We aren't thinking about treasure. We're thinking about how to access the historical and archeological information at the site. But shortly after that we're going to buy a few Lambo's, a chateau on the French Riviera, fill the fountain with Moët & Chandon Esprit du Siècle Brut and stock the rooms with Italian women who are all underwear models"

Posted by: Donny Trump at March 22, 2024 05:15 PM (Tckfm)

136 John Bigboote: It's Bigboo-TAY!

It's pronounced "Throatwarbler Mangrove".

Posted by: Raymond Luxury Yacht at March 22, 2024 05:15 PM (aXxgO)

137 Y'all love my big, juicy booty. You're damn straight it's worth $17 billion!

Posted by: AOC at March 22, 2024 05:15 PM (HnUIn)

138 Agree Kate seems the only one worth of royalty

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2024 05:15 PM (fwDg9)

139 "Historians say the wreck could help reveal much about the Spanish empire at the height of its power -- and the shared, overlapping histories of Europe and Latin America."

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Isn't it fairly widely accepted they were ruthless greedy bastards with a God complex?

Posted by: 2009Refugee at March 22, 2024 05:15 PM (8AONa)

140 I think Lloyd's of London sued for the Atocha gold, too, since they paid the policy on it back in the day. But I might be remembering some other wreck.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2024 05:11 PM (0l8OY)

I don't know if there was a Lloyd's consortium writing marine insurance that early on (1500s). But the Spanish treasure ships were Spanish navy, presumably.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2024 05:15 PM (tkR6S)

141 "$17 billion of plunder? Letitia James will be on this soon.
Posted by: Ripley at March 22, 2024 04:53 PM (JojsZ)
---------------

Speaking of James, since Trump announced he had $500M in cash, what prevents James from plundering that instead of his properties. It's be easier.

Posted by: WisRich at March 22, 2024 05:16 PM (G0vdT)

142 "On what basis do officials in Washington draw any conclusions in the midst of a tragedy about someone’s innocence?” She added that if Washington had information, it should be shared and that if Washington had no information, it should not be talking in such a way.
Posted by: WisRich at March 22, 2024 05:12 PM (G0vdT)

Unless I'm mixing up events, I believe it was the Boston Marathon bombers, about whom the Russians had info they offered to U.S. intelligence, only to be rebuffed/ignored.

I don't know what DC is saying about this, but it's hard to see too many things going on these days and not realize our government are the bad guys.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 22, 2024 05:16 PM (dGCAG)

143 I think Rule One of finding sunken treasure should be:

don't tell anyone

Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 05:16 PM (oCjPU)

144 I thought sunken treasure was 'finders keepers'
Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 04:58 PM (oCjPU)

the problem with governments is that they enforce their own rules, and don't when there is enough money to convince them it is a good idea.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 22, 2024 05:16 PM (D7oie)

145 When Colombia tried to auction off part of the bounty to fund the colossal costs of recovering the ship, Unesco and the country's high courts intervened.
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With $17 billion on the line, there will only be so much tolerance for UNESCO interference. That's more than enough money to justify state-sponsored military defense for recovery.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (HnUIn)

146 salvage law is complicated and in not all cases is the recovered salvage goes to the recovering agent.

Posted by: vic at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (A5THL)

147 Ovarian cancer is much more difficult to detect. Probably also found in early stages. Going from the quotes, the chemotherapy is "preventative."

Very sad. Kate is the only bright spot in that miserable family

Yeah, if true that bodes ill.
A friend of mine had it and passed away a year or so later.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (ufFY8)

148 No, there was no Lloyds in the 1500s.

Posted by: runner at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (V13WU)

149 The subrogation battles over the wreck are going to be loud and epic.

Posted by: SFGoth at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (KAi1n)

150 Don't underestimate those fuckers.
Posted by: Butch and Sundance at March 22, 2024 05:13 PM (ufFY

word.

Posted by: zombie Che Guevara at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (tkR6S)

151 From Dusk Til Dawn
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:12 PM (di6C2)

=====

I'm a straight female, and even I was like, damn!

Posted by: Jordan61 at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (DRSnL)

152 Don't look at that painting for too long. Looking at paintings of ships may cause White Supremacy.
++++
YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!

Wait, I mean, I guess you kinda are...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (HnUIn)

153 🏴‍☠️

Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (oCjPU)

154 News Flash:
Chinese ministry of state claims the Caribbean falls within the Dash 9 line. Therefore the treasure belongs to China. They'll be sending a salvage ship as soon as it finishes with an sunken WW II Allied cruiser in the Sundra sea.
Posted by: Beartooth
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Well, they have been buying up all the islands and using Belt & Road shit, as seen with Barbados making herself a republic without, say, a referendum [while still wanting to and being allowed to stay in the Commonwealth].

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 22, 2024 05:18 PM (2yu8s)

155 I thought sunken treasure was 'finders keepers'
Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 04:58 PM (oCjPU)
------------

Once you start talking real money, governments move in and take everything.

Posted by: WisRich at March 22, 2024 05:18 PM (G0vdT)

156 >>>>> Putin/Russia jumping it up a notch:

"On what basis do officials in Washington draw any conclusions in the midst of a tragedy about someone’s innocence?” She added that if Washington had information, it should be shared and that if Washington had no information, it should not be talking in such a way.
Posted by: WisRich

Actually that is fair conclusion - how could they who did not doit, unless... they know who did do it.

They, like Creepy Joe, were just bragging on being involved with serious crime to hip?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 22, 2024 05:19 PM (cOq4q)

157 I think Rule One of finding sunken treasure should be:

don't tell anyone
Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 05:16 PM (oCjPU)

True for buried treasure, too.

Posted by: zombie Che Guevara at March 22, 2024 05:19 PM (tkR6S)

158 I think Rule One of finding sunken treasure should be:

don't tell anyone
Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 05:16 PM (oCjPU)

Reminds me of the movie, A Simple Plan.

Nice little yarn, that.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 22, 2024 05:19 PM (dGCAG)

159 Spain, Columbia, the US salvager...China (who will somehow claim that they control that part of the ocean), The UN will dive in and try to take a chunk. The World Court will somehow suggest that the proceeds need to go to combatting climate change.
______________

Cue my comment about the grifters all trying to get their snouts in the trough.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 05:19 PM (YqDXo)

160 Chinese ministry of state claims the Caribbean falls within the Dash 9 line. Therefore the treasure belongs to China. They'll be sending a salvage ship as soon as it finishes with an sunken WW II Allied cruiser in the Sundra sea.
Posted by: Beartooth at March 22, 2024 04:59 PM (LjgPm)
++++
China has a major cottage industry (and state industry) in plundering shipwrecks.

They have a bit of a problem with projection that far out, though. That projection limitation is probably the only reason they haven't already looted it empty.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 22, 2024 05:19 PM (HnUIn)

161 >>Hoping for the best.

Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2024 05:13 PM (1Yy3c)
---

Thank you for saying something nice- this place, you never know

Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 05:19 PM (oCjPU)

162 From Dusk Til Dawn
Posted by: Aetius451AD
.......

OK now it's a bewb thread.

Posted by: wth at March 22, 2024 05:19 PM (v0R5T)

163 Geez. What happened to Candace Owens? Did she eat some lead paint chips or rat poison?

Posted by: Donny Trump at March 22, 2024 05:20 PM (Tckfm)

164 I think Rule One of finding sunken treasure should be:

don't tell anyone
Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 05:16 PM (oCjPU)

Don't ever tell anyone.
Just sell it off quietly ( however the hell you do that) and enjoy.

Surreptitiously.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 05:20 PM (ufFY8)

165 I thought it's still a warship so off limits to scavengers take all, or that's the claim

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2024 05:20 PM (fwDg9)

166 Speaking of James, since Trump announced he had $500M in cash, what prevents James from plundering that instead of his properties. It's be easier.
Posted by: WisRich at March 22, 2024 05:16 PM (G0vdT)

she would be seizing his campaign funds. During a campaign. Actual provable interference in an election.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 22, 2024 05:20 PM (D7oie)

167 Zombie comedian Gallagher >>>>> PoS Mike Gallagher.

Glad I skipped meeting this GoPe garbage.

Posted by: Bete at March 22, 2024 05:20 PM (LX4y3)

168 I found a gold ring whilst diving one time. I think my wife still has it. Not something super nice, but when we had it checked, it was 18K. Some sort of band (not a wedding band) with a detailed pattern in it.

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Back in 2002 was on a vacation at an all-inclusive in Negril, Jamaica, wading in the shallow ocean beach water with dozens of other vacationers -- when a newlywed couple starts yelling for people to please stop moving around because the groom's ring had slipped off his finger and had been lost.

So we're all looking for it through the nearly crystal-clear water -- and it was cool because you could see a lot of starfish and sand dollars.

Anyway, after a couple of minutes -- the groom was able to spot it lying on the sandy bottom -- resulting in cheers all around.

[And I'm absolutely stunned that I have not lost my wedding ring in the past 20 years -- although had a few close calls, one necessitating that I go buy a metal detector to find it in the backyard grass.

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 22, 2024 05:20 PM (pasPg)

169 Well, they have been buying up all the islands and using Belt & Road shit, as seen with Barbados making herself a republic without, say, a referendum [while still wanting to and being allowed to stay in the Commonwealth].
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 22, 2024 05:18 PM (2yu8s)

Not sure that is so strange - Australia and Canada and NZ were for a time republics and in the Commonwealth.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 22, 2024 05:20 PM (eoQWY)

170 Very sad. Kate is the only bright spot in that miserable family
_______________

My thought exactly.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 22, 2024 05:20 PM (YqDXo)

171 This orchard Asian in a dress will happily exchange some fruit for some gold - sunken treasure or otherwise:
http://tiny.cc/1q9kxz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 22, 2024 05:21 PM (HnUIn)

172 I remember when Mel Fisher would place ads in the Ft Laud Sun Sentinel for little or no experienced help in his first days in the Salvage business before he attracted investors.. Years late after the Atoche was recovered I realized I fucked up by not applying for a position..

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 22, 2024 05:21 PM (Bsa3D)

173 "I don't believe you.". Oh how elegant. How restrained! I guess the keys c,f,k,o,u had the day off or called in sick, Pat.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at March 22, 2024 05:21 PM (as3uC)

174 Had hope for Candice a few years ago to be a star.

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2024 05:21 PM (fwDg9)

175 the problem with governments is that they enforce their own rules, and don't when there is enough money to convince them it is a good idea.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 22, 2024 05:16 PM (D7oie

Lawmakers are like successful drug dealers. They assiduously avoid their own product, and openly condescend toward those who use it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2024 05:21 PM (0l8OY)

176 Lawmakers are like successful drug dealers. They assiduously avoid their own product, and openly condescend toward those who use it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2024 05:21 PM (0l8OY)
++++
So you're saying they're above the laws the write for others?

But of course.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 22, 2024 05:22 PM (HnUIn)

177 I'm a straight female, and even I was like, damn!
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (DRSnL)

Yep.
And what is funny is Quentin got to live out his foot fetish.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 05:22 PM (ufFY8)

178 151 From Dusk Til Dawn
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:12 PM (di6C2)

=====

I'm a straight female, and even I was like, damn!
Posted by: Jordan61 at March 22, 2024 05:17 PM (DRSnL)

https://tinyurl.com/zvxjeef3

For the uninitiated.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:22 PM (di6C2)

179 Had hope for Candice a few years ago to be a star.
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2024 05:21 PM (fwDg9)
++++
Your biggest mistake was hope.

Posted by: Pandora at March 22, 2024 05:22 PM (HnUIn)

180 >>I thought sunken treasure was 'finders keepers'
Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 04:58 PM (oCjPU)
------------

>>Once you start talking real money, governments move in and take everything.

When I was diving in the Carib I knew a couple guys who were doing treasure diving. At that time anyway they prospected by themselves but as soon as they found anything that looked valuable they had to report it to be legal but also to keep others from moving in on their claim.

Double edged sword. In theory they got government protection but that same government wanted their cut.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2024 05:22 PM (LkLld)

181 Don Black: "I think Rule One of finding sunken treasure should be:

don't tell anyone"

Yes and no. If you're just going to melt it down or piece it out as a commodity, then, sure, go radio silent. However, if it's a historical (re)discovery, you have to establish provenance to appreciate the full, "priceless" value. To do that, The World has to know.

See the great little movie, The Deep, starring Nick Nolte and Jacqueline Bisset's wet T-shirt for references.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 22, 2024 05:22 PM (aXxgO)

182 Geez. What happened to Candace Owens? Did she eat some lead paint chips or rat poison?
Posted by: Donny Trump at March 22, 2024 05:20 PM (Tckfm)

She's not unknown for hitting below the belt.

People may recall, not too long ago when her company was in a bit of a spat with Crowder, she was the attack dog who brought his divorce into the discussion, and I believe even implied he was secretly gay.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 22, 2024 05:22 PM (dGCAG)

183 China has a major cottage industry (and state industry) in plundering shipwrecks.

They have a bit of a problem with projection that far out, though. That projection limitation is probably the only reason they haven't already looted it empty.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 22, 2024 05:19 PM (HnUIn)

Armor from WWII has extra value because it doesn't have as much radioactive crap in it as anything forged past Hiroshima and Nuke Tests.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 22, 2024 05:23 PM (eoQWY)

184 141 Or deciding the lenders aren't charging Trump enough interest and opening a se one legL case.

Posted by: Bete at March 22, 2024 05:23 PM (LX4y3)

185 Take it the Russian band is Picnic from comments

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2024 05:23 PM (fwDg9)

186 157 I think Rule One of finding sunken treasure should be:

don't tell anyone
Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 05:16 PM (oCjPU)

True for buried treasure, too.
Posted by: zombie Che Guevara at March 22, 2024 05:19 PM (tkR6S)

Remember you have to sell the treasure after it is recovered.

Posted by: vic at March 22, 2024 05:23 PM (A5THL)

187 "Shakeshakeshake, shakeshakeshake, shake your booty!"

Posted by: Tonypete at March 22, 2024 05:23 PM (WXNFJ)

188 she would be seizing his campaign funds. During a campaign. Actual provable interference in an election.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 22, 2024 05:20 PM (D7oie)
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Mmmm, I'm not so sure. He made it sound it was his own cash which he was going to use a portion for his campaign (although he doesn't say how much).

Not official campaign donations.

Posted by: WisRich at March 22, 2024 05:23 PM (G0vdT)

189 174 Had hope for Candice a few years ago to be a star.
Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2024 05:21 PM (fwDg9)

She seems to have enough mental baggage that she needs a sky cap.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:23 PM (di6C2)

190 http://tiny.cc/1q9kxz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 22, 2024 05:21 PM (HnUIn)

I will happily eat out of her hand.

Posted by: Robert at March 22, 2024 05:24 PM (1Yy3c)

191 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 22, 2024 05:21 PM (HnUIn)

She actually made it onto the Boobetttes websites? I'm surprised, She smiling, pretty and not looking like she's auditioning for a soft porn film.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2024 05:24 PM (XkYcA)

192 Armor from WWII has extra value because it doesn't have as much radioactive crap in it as anything forged past Hiroshima and Nuke Tests.
Posted by: Oldcat at March 22, 2024 05:23 PM (eoQWY)
++++
Yup. Pre-nuclear steel is useful and hard to come by - and monstrously hard to produce. Much easier to go loot it from shipwrecks if you're not above grave robbing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 22, 2024 05:24 PM (HnUIn)

193 This orchard Asian

You fruitist.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 05:24 PM (ufFY8)

194 Well, I'm no undersea lawyer, though I did watch SeaHunt as a kid

I'll defer to those who might know more

Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 05:24 PM (oCjPU)

195 "I find this all interesting. But, what I'm really looking forward to is all the greedy bastards who will try to get their piece of it. The fact that Unesco is involved is all I need to know. There will be at least 40 or 50 claimants filing some lawsuit here or there to get "what's owed to them."
*****************
I was in Ireland in 2000 staying at a B&B operated by an archeologist recently retired from the Eire government. The rest of my group were tired an hit the sack but the owner and I walked to the local pub and had a wee drop. He told me that they had found the wreck of the Spanish Armada gold ship off western Ireland but as they had joined the EU decided to keep quiet about it so they didn't have to share it with the rest of Europe. They were already upset about the Spanish over-fishing their waters.

Posted by: Cosda at March 22, 2024 05:25 PM (myK50)

196 I can be there in 2 days if I can find my wetsuit.

Posted by: Eromero at March 22, 2024 05:25 PM (o2ZRX)

197 194 Well, I'm no undersea lawyer, though I did watch SeaHunt as a kid

I'll defer to those who might know more
Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 05:24 PM (oCjPU)

Sure, I watched 'Raise the Titanic.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:25 PM (di6C2)

198 ¡Capitan! ¿Es esto el Glomar Explorer?

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at March 22, 2024 05:26 PM (as3uC)

199 I was a panty pirate in me youth. Pillaging and plundering female panties whilst the owner still occupied them.

Posted by: Gunby the Conquistador at March 22, 2024 05:27 PM (Bsa3D)

200 Jeepers, Mannix,
You need to up Your game if you're getting approval from the High Priestess.

Posted by: Cardinal Hooter at March 22, 2024 05:27 PM (7jhbw)

201 I was a panty pirate in me youth. Pillaging and plundering female panties whilst the owner still occupied them.
Posted by: Gunby the Conquistador at March 22, 2024 05:27 PM (Bsa3D)
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Are there other kinds?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at March 22, 2024 05:27 PM (HnUIn)

202 I was a Flipper fan ( original) had no idea a remake series was done until long after

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2024 05:27 PM (fwDg9)

203 I can be there in 2 days if I can find my wetsuit.
Posted by: Eromero at March 22, 2024 05:25 PM (o2ZRX)

True story, one of the CIA's assassination plots against Castro was to have a diplomat who was supposed to be friendly to him, present him with a wet suit that was filled will a poison.

Problem is, some days before they were supposed to present him with the wet suit, someone else gave Castro a wet suit as a present.

Darnit, Pinky, let's get back to the lab.....

Posted by: BurtTC at March 22, 2024 05:28 PM (dGCAG)

204 I'm waiting for "descendants of Native Americans" to claim reparations for their "stolen gold."

Posted by: Zek at March 22, 2024 05:29 PM (5FPX4)

205 >>I was a Flipper fan ( original) had no idea a remake series was done until long after

Me too. But it was Sea Hunt that hooked me.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 22, 2024 05:29 PM (LkLld)

206 Flipper? You mean "James, the N****-Hatin' Dolphin?"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2024 05:29 PM (0l8OY)

207 Can we sail a pirate ship around the salvage vessels? Hoist the flag while wearing eye patches?

This salvage is actually pretty cool. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out with the booty.

Posted by: scampydog at March 22, 2024 05:30 PM (2bFN5)

208 Just so all is right in Fen's world:

https://tinyurl.com/4hyjtk2h

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:30 PM (di6C2)

209 Joe Mannix (Not a cop!): Are there other kinds?"

In the year 20WOKE, I think there were three kinds. I'm sure it's blossomed to over a dozen kinds by now.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 22, 2024 05:30 PM (aXxgO)

210 I was a panty pirate in me youth. Pillaging and plundering female panties whilst the owner still occupied them.
Posted by: Gunby the Conquistador at March 22, 2024 05:27 PM (Bsa3D)
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Are there other kinds?

I think this falls under the "Don't ask if you don't really want to know" kind of question.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 22, 2024 05:31 PM (sNc8Y)

211 Re: Selma's snake dance

Nice headdress.

George Clooney looking up her ass was funny.

The music was cool.
Set the mood perfectly.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 22, 2024 05:33 PM (ufFY8)

212 Remember you have to sell the treasure after it is recovered.
Posted by: vic at March 22, 2024 05:23 PM (A5THL)

Individual gold coins not much of a problem. Sell one here, sell one there. Jewelry? Break it up, sell individual stones, melt down the precious metals, and sell small amounts as "bullion recovered from scrap". Sure, you will lose a lot of value from the hypothetical value of "priceless historical artifacts", but if you try to realize that value, you risk getting it all taken away from you, every last cent of it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2024 05:33 PM (tkR6S)

213 ISIS is claiming credit.

But, ISIS, and the special Russian 72 hr rule.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 22, 2024 05:34 PM (ufFY8)

214 204 I'm waiting for "descendants of Native Americans" to claim reparations for their "stolen gold."

Posted by: Zek at March 22, 2024 05:29 PM (5FPX4)

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I initially read that as "stolen grid."

Posted by: ShainS -- Blood-Bath-and-Beyond angel investor at March 22, 2024 05:35 PM (DF1PS)

215 Was Kate vaccinated?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 22, 2024 05:37 PM (2ovLw)

216 Nood. Clowns.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:37 PM (di6C2)

217 >>181 Don Black: "I think Rule One of finding sunken treasure should be:

don't tell anyone"

Yes and no. If you're just going to melt it down or piece it out as a commodity, then, sure, go radio silent.

However

AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 22, 2024 05:22 PM

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You had me at radio silent.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at March 22, 2024 05:38 PM (wzAuc)

218 Was Kate vaccinated?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at March 22, 2024 05:37 PM (2ovLw)

If she was, probably not the same batch you got.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 22, 2024 05:38 PM (dGCAG)

219 Posted by: Cardinal Hooter at March 22, 2024 05:27 PM (7jhbw

I'm not a priestess. That is reserved generally for some Episcopal or Anglican clergy or Wiccan folks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2024 05:38 PM (XkYcA)

220 >Was Kate vaccinated?

don't start

Posted by: Don Black at March 22, 2024 05:38 PM (oCjPU)

221 216 Nood. Clowns.
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Screw you, big nose!

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 22, 2024 05:39 PM (2yu8s)

222 Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 22, 2024 05:30 PM (di6C2)

No clicking on that, and things are fairly alright in my world. Thanks for your concern.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2024 05:39 PM (XkYcA)

223 By some estimates there is between $60 and $100 billion dollars of "treasure" still unrecovered from known and/or suspected wrecks. None "modern." Like sinking ships with EV's on them that burned up.

I think those estimates are on the low end.

The actual amount is probably in the trillions of dollars of unknown/recovered wrecks.

For some... worthwhile to invest in.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 22, 2024 05:40 PM (Q4IgG)

224 Nood Clowns could be anything

Posted by: Skip at March 22, 2024 05:42 PM (fwDg9)

225 "I was a Flipper fan ( original) had no idea a remake series was done until long after
Me too. But it was Sea Hunt that hooked me.
Posted by: JackStraw"
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I had open water cert and went on dive trips in my 20s. Watching Sea Hunt as a kid was what got a mountain kid from PA into the idea.

Posted by: Cosda at March 22, 2024 05:44 PM (myK50)

226 119 I think Lloyd's of London sued for the Atocha gold, too, since they paid the policy on it back in the day. But I might be remembering some other wreck.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 22, 2024 05:11 PM (0l8OY)

Mel Fisher found numerous wrecks. The State of FL promptly claimed ownership on Mels first find. It was after Mell defeated FL in court for ownership that investors were lining up. Hiw Atoche museum in Key West is a popular destination.

Posted by: Gunby the Conquistador at March 22, 2024 05:46 PM (Bsa3D)

227 One look at that painting, and I'm feeling supremely white!

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 22, 2024 06:07 PM (w6EFb)

228 I want thar booty.

Posted by: Plainoldtoast at March 22, 2024 06:16 PM (ytSiK)

229 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE "BOOTY" IN THIS CONTEXT MEANS LOOT OR TREASURE, BUT NOWADAYS IT MEANS THE BUTTOCKS.

BEN ROETHLISBERGER

Posted by: Pete in Texas at March 22, 2024 07:20 PM (BHrzb)

230 The Mary Rose sank not in battle but due to awful design, construction and poor seamanship.

Posted by: Fred at March 22, 2024 08:17 PM (bXvrr)

231 The warning should have been at the top. It's now much too late for me.

Posted by: Quartermaster at March 24, 2024 05:54 PM (J0tKB)

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