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New York Creates Precedent That Could Threaten Every Big Business In New York, and Send Them Fleeing, With Their Money, to Safer Climes; Kathy Hochul Reassures Them By Admitting This Law Will be Applied to Trump Only and No One Else
In the wake of the massive judgment against Donald Trump, many in New York are celebrating the prospect that the former president could be forced to sell off his property just to appeal the $355 million judgment against him. While Trump has good grounds to object to this excessive fine, he still has to come up with close to a half billion dollars just to make his arguments to the New York Court of Appeals. In order to file an appeal, the courts require a deposit for the full amount of the damages or a bond covering the full amount. Even with escrow options, the call for cash or collateral can be enough to put some executives in a fetal position. It can be challenging enough for many companies drained from years of litigation. For Trump, the demand for $355 million plus about $100 million in interest could force a fire sale on properties to pony up just the deposit.Engoron has also decreed that Trump is not allowed to "do business" in New York, which includes borrowing from his previous lenders to pay the money for this bond. In other words, Engoron has both levied an excessive fine against Trump, while simultaneously forbidding him from obtaining enough in loans to pay for the bond to protest the excessive fine.
Many of us have been critical of the ruling of Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron who imposed the astronomical fine despite finding that Trump's "victims" not only did not lose a single dollar but made handsome profits. Indeed, these banks testified that they wanted to continue to do business with Trump as a "whale" client, but Engoron is now barring them from doing so.
Turley also writes that New York has essentially declared war on all real estate developers in New York.
The fine is $355 million, but he slapped on an extra, and very round figure of $100 million, for "interest." You can tell he really ran the interest calculations to the seventh decimal by how incredibly round the number came out.
Oscar Wilde wrote that "moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess." Justice Arthur Engoron took that line to heart with his absurd imposition of $455 million in fines and interest against Donald Trump and his corporation.
And who would want to loan Trump money to cover the bond? Anyone who loans Trump money would be the next to be prosecuted by "Tish" James for non-crimes. This has created fear in the financial community that the everyday business practice of evaluating all of your properties at the highest possible level -- why would you want to admit your properties are worth less than some might be willing to pay for them? -- now makes them all potentially liable for half-billion dollar criminal fines.
It succeeded wonderfully with New Yorkers, who celebrated the verdict like a popular public execution. It also worked wonderfully to make it difficult to appeal. Much of the criticism of the decision focused on the unprecedented use of the law and the excessive size of the fine. The New York statute has been on the books for decades and has always been something of an anomaly in not requiring an actual victim or loss to justify disgorgement or fines. Even the New York Times agreed that it could not find a single case in history where this statute was used against an individual or a company that did not commit a criminal offense, go bankrupt, or leave financial victims. Engoron then combined that unprecedented application with an equally extraordinary penalty, which is greater than the gross national product of some countries. ... There is also an added inequity to Engoron's decision. Under New York law, Trump cannot appeal this ruling without depositing the full amount, including interest, in a court account. Even for Trump, $455 million is hard to come by. Likewise, a bond would require a company to guarantee payment for a defendant who has been barred from doing business in New York and is facing the need to liquidate much of his portfolio. Nothing succeeds like excess for judges like Engoron. By imposing this astronomical figure, he can make it difficult or impossible for a defendant to appeal, absent declaring bankruptcy or selling off assets at distress prices.
Ah, but don't worry about New York going after all the other big businessmen who routinely evaluate their properties at the outer limits of plausibility -- Kathy Hochul admits that this is a political prosecution directed at one single political enemy and will never be used against anyone else.
The combination of the draconian fine and the threshold deposit for appeal has produced a shudder throughout the New York business community. The city is already experiencing an exodus of businesses and individuals from the top tax brackets. Rising crime, taxes, and eat-the-rich politics have made New York a hostile environment for businesses. At a time with rising costs from undocumented migrants, even Mayor Eric Adams is alarmed about the loss of his high earners.
The HillThe Hill:
@thehill Kathy Hochul tells NY businesses not to fear about Trump verdict: "Nothing to worry about"
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) addressed New York business owners in a new interview and told them there was "nothing to worry about" after former President Trump was hit with a $355 million fine and a ban on conducting business in New York for three years. Hochul joined John Catsimatidis on 'The Cats Roundtable' on WABC 770 AM, where she was asked if other New York businesspeople should be worried that if 'they can do that to the former president, they can do that to anybody.' 'I think that this is really an extraordinary, unusual circumstance that the law-abiding and rule-following New Yorkers who are business people have nothing to worry about, because they're very different than Donald Trump and his behavior,' Hochul responded.
@amuse
@amuse New York's Democrat governor assures real estate developers that they won't be targeted for real estate valuations like Trump. She just admitted it was a purely partisan political prosecution of Trump. h/t @JRobFromMN pic.twitter.com/IewoCboyuw
-- February 18, 2024
Hochul admits that this application of the law will not be applied to anyone except Trump. Therefore, this is an unconstitutional selective prosecution of a political enemy.
It must be overturned. Note that Hochul is reassuring big businessmen in New York taking loans against their assets that she knows "everybody does it" -- evaluates their properties at highest potential value -- but that they shouldn't worry, they won't be prosecuted for it. But Engoron specifically dismisses Trump's defense that everybody does it, that banks of course know that businessmen evaluate their properties at maximum possible value, and says that if "everybody does it," that just demonstrates the need for New York to prosecute EVERYBODY to stop the "fraud."
After the absurd civil verdict, posting this video again of Kevin O’Leary
— Steve Cortes (@CortesSteve) February 19, 2024
Mr Wonderful explains, to CNN of all platforms:
NO ONE lost money!
Trump negotiated with sophisticated banks, just like EVERY real estate developer
A complete sham. A witch hunt.pic.twitter.com/O2RPUxqErQ
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Formerly Virginian at February 20, 2024 03:42 PM (N1tpc)
Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2024 03:42 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 03:42 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 20, 2024 03:42 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 03:42 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at February 20, 2024 03:42 PM (N1tpc)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 20, 2024 03:42 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 20, 2024 03:43 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 20, 2024 03:44 PM (Zz0t1)
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"This rule was written to get Trump," feels like great grounds for an appeal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:44 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2024 03:44 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 03:44 PM (eYF7X)
Posted by: m at February 20, 2024 03:44 PM (Ncap6)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 03:46 PM (xcxpd)
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Then this law is bogus and should have been thrown out ages ago.
If there is no victim, there is no crime. The normal mental gymnastics around "victimless crimes" like speeding are that the victimization is indirect (e.g., all of society) and so the state becomes the victimized party and can pursue you. They also have the argument (weak but real) that by agreeing to a driver's license, you agree to abide by those rules.
But that kind of argument cannot apply here. There is literally no victim, not even if you twist yourself into knots to find one. If this is a law where there is literally *no* harmed party even if that party is only hypothetical - and it appears to be - then it is not a law, it's more akin to a bill of attainder (albeit a general-purpose one).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:46 PM (HnUIn)
The only way to cure temptation is to surrender to it.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 20, 2024 03:46 PM (MeG8a)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
I would like to see cannibalism result from NY food boycotts.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 03:46 PM (eYF7X)
Posted by: it's me donna at February 20, 2024 03:46 PM (Akjoo)
Upending equal justice before the law is tyranny.
The United States used to know what to do with tyrants.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at February 20, 2024 03:46 PM (N1tpc)
NYC needs the cleansing fire of O'Leary's cow.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at February 20, 2024 03:46 PM (JCZqz)
Posted by: Hrmmmmm at February 20, 2024 03:47 PM (yRYSn)
Oh, we wouldn't com after you, friend. Unless you gave us a reason too.
They are betting that the CEOs of companies will rather choose not to ruffle feathers than decamp.
Also, they do not fear "the new rules" because no Republican will be in charge anytime soon, and if they were, well, going after political opponents is not a thing they do.
Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2024 03:47 PM (xhfG9)
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And like many places, NYC is utterly dependent on its HNWI population to keep the books from imploding.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:47 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 20, 2024 03:47 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: TC at February 20, 2024 03:47 PM (OgfrC)
Posted by: Benchmark at February 20, 2024 03:47 PM (TlsDT)
Posted by: runner at February 20, 2024 03:48 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: it's me donna at February 20, 2024 03:48 PM (Akjoo)
I wonder if he still feels the same way?
Posted by: Benchmark at February 20, 2024 03:48 PM (TlsDT)
Turley also writes that New York has essentially declared war on all real estate developers in New York.
Those same developers now have a GREAT REASON to appeal the valuations of their properties and DEMAND the assessments (and taxes) be LOWERED!
Own goal status? SCORE!
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 20, 2024 03:48 PM (nIvob)
Posted by: Mark at February 20, 2024 03:49 PM (Jj6JW)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:44 PM (GBKbO)
Next level of appeal is made up of judges appointed by Cuomo and Hochul. I don't think they will overturn Engoron. And then its Democrats all the way up.
Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2024 03:49 PM (xhfG9)
Who the hell is to say that a judge won't come along and "disagree" with what both you and the bank have decided is a fair value for your assets.
It's completely and utterly absurd.
Posted by: Defenestratus at February 20, 2024 03:49 PM (o06DH)
Posted by: Benchmark at February 20, 2024 03:49 PM (TlsDT)
Posted by: Welcome to the US cultural revolution at February 20, 2024 03:50 PM (aIjRa)
And that's all that matters.
Posted by: s_tenhoff at February 20, 2024 03:50 PM (2waQ7)
Which is quite specifically banned in the constitution, article 1, section 9, clause 3 and article 1, section 10, clause 1.
Or am I way off?
Posted by: AFeralDuck at February 20, 2024 03:50 PM (ZajzL)
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at February 20, 2024 03:50 PM (os8zY)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 20, 2024 03:50 PM (Zz0t1)
This judge is insane, Tish is just evil.
Posted by: PJ at February 20, 2024 03:50 PM (G1dq6)
Posted by: four seasons at February 20, 2024 03:50 PM (PisyI)
God the Left are such pieces of shit.
Posted by: ... at February 20, 2024 03:50 PM (oNgxs)
Literally every business deal involves the entrepreneur representing to potential investors, the bank, the tax-man, etc. how much they think their widget/company/property/whatever is worth. Then the other parties either haggle or pass.
I don't think people understand the Pandora's Jar just got opened. The judge literally just pulled a number out of his ass and said, "Nope, this is what it's worth. Any disagreement with my number is fraud."
It's not just real estate, it's literally every business deal. NY State just said they can review any business deal and declare any valuation fraudulent by fiat.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 20, 2024 03:51 PM (6OrcJ)
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And she's right. The problem is Trump's "behavior." Not his *business* behavior, mind you, but his *political* behavior.
So she is being perfectly truthful. As long as you don't give them reason to hate you, this won't matter.
But here's the rub: it's impossible to know right now, let alone into the future, what behavior will cause the ruling powers to desire your destruction. Sure, right now, it's just being an unruly outsider rising above his raising and thinking he can have power in this country. But what about tomorrow? What if being opposed to DEI expansion will do it? What if not voting for Dear Leader will do it?
And more to the point, why should someone *want* to live with the Sword of Damocles hanging over his head, compounded by the knowledge that there is literally no way to know what will cut the thread, and if a piece of today's folderol will become tomorrow's knife swinging toward that thread.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:51 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: torabora at February 20, 2024 03:51 PM (goGTI)
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Did various NY officials conspire to deny Donald Trump his constitutional rights?
Because that is a federal rap
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 03:51 PM (geLO8)
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Only if you expect honesty or even a capacity for honesty.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:51 PM (HnUIn)
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LOL. As if they'd need to use that piddling intimidation.
If you're in the C-Suite at a financial institution big enough to issue nine-digit loans, you're an enthusiastic Party man who wouldn't approve a loan the Party didn't want you to, in the first place.
And if you should feel your loyalty wavering when you smell that cash, they'll mail you those photos of you balls deep in a boy scout.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (0FoWg)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:51 PM (HnUIn)
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"Because bumfuck America doesn't have Broadway, peasant."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (GBKbO)
I don't know if the trucker boycott is just conservative media being blowhards, but I want to see "Escape from New York" happen for real.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at February 20, 2024 03:42 PM
If you're a Twitter/X person, the dude to follow is @Chicago1Ray.
Personally, I think it's ON! Trump loves truckers, truckers love Trump.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (nIvob)
She admits that a law and its enforcement targets Trump.
Wonder how long drones are going to be able to repeat "Two-tiered justice is a conspiracy theory!"
Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (krQz2)
Rape, lie, cheat, steal, assault, bribe, kickback, harass, grope, molest, slapp sue, fondle and rape are their Bread And Butter.
It's in their DNA.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (2ijlT)
He should wear his concrete overshoes.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (W/lyH)
Which will spread to every major city
Then the banks who hold the paper on the CRE will start to fail
Which will spread to all the banks
Then all the foreign investors who sought real estate in the US as a safe haven will look at the State Department's "russian oligarch" rules and the Trump example, and dump their real estate and investments in the US,
Which means they will re-assess if the US Dollar is a safe haven, and then go with some other currency that the US Treasury can't touch
And the inflation will ramp up, and the demand for US Treasuries will crater.
The Uniparty has destroyed the economy to save their graft.
Posted by: Kindltot at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Defenestratus at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (o06DH)
Fuck 'em. I hope they fucking starve.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at February 20, 2024 03:53 PM (woPEM)
Posted by: ... at February 20, 2024 03:53 PM (oNgxs)
Posted by: DFCtomm at February 20, 2024 03:53 PM (50VAR)
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Absolutely. Except that it's even worse that. It isn't just following the leftist prog line today, it's following it *forever* and deep into the unknowable future. If you are not on the Left Pole, you are a potential target - and the Pole can shift without notice. Any number of good, loyal, consistent progs have become Literally Hitler over the past few years because the pole keeps shifting.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:53 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Gov. Benito Hochul at February 20, 2024 03:53 PM (moEfX)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 03:44
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What am I? Chopped liver?
Posted by: Massachusetts at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (goGTI)
She admits that a law and its enforcement targets Trump.
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$10 says she 'misspoke'
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Defenestratus
The Republican's are weak and smell like dogshit.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (eYF7X)
How are they legal under the 5th amendment? Hehe you don't get due process of law unless you pay hehe. The hell? The only cost someone should incur to appeal is the filing cost. What a free country we live in eh?
Posted by: deepelemblues at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (z9n5F)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (GBKbO)
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Guess what will happen if enough high net-worth socialite types flee Manhattan for greener pastures.
Something tells me that the Theater Deficit will be closed in fairly short order if it is actually of value to those folks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (pohLc)
Posted by: wth at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Snake Plissken at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (63Dwl)
She admits that a law and its enforcement targets Trump.
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$10 says she 'misspoke'
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (geLO
It's a power flex. There's no consequences for judges.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (xcxpd)
Something tells me that the Theater Deficit will be closed in fairly short order if it is actually of value to those folks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (HnUIn)
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But the New York Times won't review those productions.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (GBKbO)
SLC-4E - Vandenberg SFB
February 21st at 11:14 p.m. ET
http://tinyurl.com/3esv4atb
Posted by: Ciampino - Update #73 at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (qfLjt)
These idiots don't even pretend to know the laws they don't enforce or follow.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Snake Plissken at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (63Dwl)
Avoid LA too. It sucks even more.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (xcxpd)
It's funny you think that thing still applies to anything anymore.
We're no longer a constitutional republic. We're a dictatorship. Biden is President and his handlers are violating every possible law they can and no one is doing anything about it.
We're sooooooo screwed.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: torabora
BoA are by legislation, which would apply to NYC revoking statue of limitations to go after Trump, not the DA & judge.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (QNSds)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (QwWES)
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So she admits it's a straight-up bill of attainder.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (rGJZp)
Which is quite specifically banned in the constitution, article 1, section 9, clause 3 and article 1, section 10, clause 1.
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Did various NY officials conspire to deny Donald Trump his constitutional rights? Because that is a federal rap.
Lol...you don't understand how corrupt, selective lawfare works at all!
Posted by: Uniparty corrupt "justice" system, protecting the powers that be from interlopers at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (JCZqz)
Posted by: Roy at February 20, 2024 03:56 PM (z+ik4)
NY is destroying itself. Why would anyone want to do business there.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 20, 2024 03:56 PM (BdMk6)
"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."
Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2024 03:56 PM (xhfG9)
Posted by: Pudinhead at February 20, 2024 03:56 PM (7kpzq)
NY is destroying itself. Why would anyone want to do business there.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 20, 2024 03:56 PM (BdMk6)
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Sell Trump Tower to an NGO that will use it to house illegals.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:56 PM (GBKbO)
Which is quite specifically banned in the constitution, article 1, section 9, clause 3 and article 1, section 10, clause 1.
Or am I way off?
Posted by: AFeralDuck at February 20, 2024 03:50 PM (ZajzL)
No, you're fine, NYC has gone quackers.
Posted by: pookysgirl, still living in a sane area at February 20, 2024 03:56 PM (dtlDP)
Judging from his pictures on Google, he'll have to go to the hair stylist first, to get himself a nice little coiffure. Gad, what a limp d***.
Posted by: Archimedes at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (CsUN+)
Posted by: Piper at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (ZdaMQ)
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (geLO
_____________
"I was misquoted."
"I was hacked."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (rGJZp)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (lTGtQ)
Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (qZdIZ)
Posted by: AlecK at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (cMlC1)
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 20, 2024 03:56 PM (BdMk6)
The great Thai food available at 3am!
Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (xhfG9)
The Republican's are weak and smell like dogshit.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (eYF7X)
Just like the visiting taxpayers!
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (GBKbO)
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Quelle horreur!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Piper at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (ZdaMQ)
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There's always Boston.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (GBKbO)
Something tells me that the Theater Deficit will be closed in fairly short order if it is actually of value to those folks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Helper, UT. Voted one of the best 'cities' to live in has started installing Art Galleries and theaters. It's the first signs of the parasites starting to feed. Also wall murals.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (eYF7X)
There actually are some executive orders aimed right at them, ready and waiting... Oh, you mean those Republicans- the Democrats who wear flag pins.
Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (moEfX)
I'd like to know if Turley can quantify that "shudder" that went through the new York business community. I bet Not a single developer or loan applicant will leave new York. Everyone knows what this is.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (bR5zc)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:55 PM (GBKbO)
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Quelle horreur!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (HnUIn)
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How are they to know what to think of these productions without the New York Times' banner over a review?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:58 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Oglebay at February 20, 2024 03:58 PM (ogTiX)
No, you're fine, NYC has gone quackers.
Posted by: pookysgirl, still
Hochul is not the sharpest knife in the drawer on top of the quackers.
Posted by: Piper at February 20, 2024 03:58 PM (ZdaMQ)
It has nothing to do with justice, the law, equal application or fairness.
Every red state should have opened an investigation into their elected Democrats when this case was first raised. But...the GOPe is mostly controlled opposition.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 20, 2024 03:58 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (qZdIZ)
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And CA accepts the challenge!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 03:58 PM (rGJZp)
Posted by: Massachusetts at February 20, 2024 03:54 PM (goGTI)
More like steamed brussell sprouts!
Posted by: Maine - 14th Amendment Stronghold! at February 20, 2024 03:58 PM (o06DH)
Posted by: ... at February 20, 2024 03:58 PM (oNgxs)
Posted by: deepelemblues at February 20, 2024 03:59 PM (z9n5F)
This is the same thing that happened to that clickbait site, Gawker, that Hulk Hogan sued. They imposed a penalty so large, he couldn't appeal it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollea_v._Gawker#Aftermath
Posted by: No Name Today at February 20, 2024 03:59 PM (Xfs8m)
Posted by: DeVan at February 20, 2024 03:59 PM (6inc5)
Which is quite specifically banned in the constitution, article 1, section 9, clause 3 and article 1, section 10, clause 1.
Or am I way off?
Posted by: AFeralDuck
The answer is yes. But it goes beyond that, as the ruling and subsequent statements by the judge are intended to prevent an appeal.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 20, 2024 03:59 PM (lTGtQ)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 20, 2024 03:59 PM (QwWES)
I denounce him and attaint him, I strip him of all ranks and titles, of all lands and holdings, and sentence him to death.
Posted by: The Hand of the King at February 20, 2024 03:59 PM (hSwza)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:56 PM (GBKbO)
The UN Building should be turned into low rent housing.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 03:59 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
Space Ice did that movie last Friday. Pretty funny:
http://tinyurl.com/Escape-from-Ew-York
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 03:59 PM (mY5Rs)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (eYF7X)
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Voted best city to live in = kiss of death
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (rGJZp)
Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They do not Kill at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (gxokI)
This judge. Well, 'judge'. I'm wondering if he'll retire soon. Like, after this. He'll be celebrated by the elite and will land somewhere, rich and comfortable. Get on the prog talk show circuit, 'write' a book, etc.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (sAmhv)
This is the same thing that happened to that clickbait site, Gawker, that Hulk Hogan sued. They imposed a penalty so large, he couldn't appeal it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollea_v._Gawker#Aftermath
Posted by: No Name Today at February 20, 2024 03:59 PM (Xfs8m)
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You know what that Gawker lawsuit had?
An injured party.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (GBKbO)
I'd like to know if Turley can quantify that "shudder" that went through the new York business community. I bet Not a single developer or loan applicant will leave new York. Everyone knows what this is.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (bR5zc)
Exactly. With the exception of the Bud Light boycott, which was cultural and not political, there will be no repercussions for this behavior by NY.
Posted by: Defenestratus at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (o06DH)
Drop dead!
Posted by: Ghost of Gerald R. Ford at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (A/Zvu)
I'm not saying they shouldn't but it does explain a few things.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Archimedes at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (CsUN+)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (GBKbO)
Broadway mostly sucks, and has been pathetic for many years. The only theater worth seeing is the revival of classic stuff and the rare new work that isn't just a rehashed version of something else.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (gSZYf)
Something tells me that the Theater Deficit will be closed in fairly short order if it is actually of value to those folks.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
Several years ago, Rush Limbaugh made the point that around 500 high wealth individuals pay approximately half of the taxes in New York.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (lTGtQ)
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Yes. The wife of a big NYC developer has started a GoFundMe for Trump. Last I heard is was at $500K.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (woPEM)
Posted by: Braenyard at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (iKrUS)
That's assuming the vote tallies aren't "fortified". Which is a very big assumption in any American city in 2024.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:58 PM (GBKbO)
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There's a real-life example of this attitude.
One of the Walton (Wal-Mart) heiresses is an art collector. She opened a museum in Bentonville. It's called the "Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art."
One thing I have heard more than once from Mid-Atlantic and New England "art crowd" types is displeasure that the museum and its permanent collection is where "nobody can see it." Like the people who live there actually *aren't* people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (GBKbO)
Broadway mostly sucks, and has been pathetic for many years. The only theater worth seeing is the revival of classic stuff and the rare new work that isn't just a rehashed version of something else.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (gSZYf)
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"But my friends all raved about it."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (GBKbO)
I bet he buys at the bottom and eventually gold-plates the Empire State Building.
Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (moEfX)
Nope, it's one of the worst. Firstly, similar crimes don't get similar penalties in different parts of the country. Secondly, the laws appear to be influenced by politics. Thirdly, it appears that laws don't have a fixed meaning but can be reinterpreted by judges here and there and on a whim.
There's probably more.
WE SUCK.
Posted by: Ciampino - Update #74 at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (qfLjt)
Epoch Times
Posted by: illiniwek at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (Cus5s)
They would make sure the judge saw the light.
We are so far beyond what I ever thought I would see the US become that nothing can be ruled out now.
Posted by: Thatch at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (Ei9bN)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (fs1hN)
An injured party.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (GBKbO)
But Trump said...well, you know what he said.
Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (xhfG9)
One of the Walton (Wal-Mart) heiresses is an art collector. She opened a museum in Bentonville. It's called the "Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art."
One thing I have heard more than once from Mid-Atlantic and New England "art crowd" types is displeasure that the museum and its permanent collection is where "nobody can see it." Like the people who live there actually *aren't* people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (HnUIn)
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There's a bit in The French Dispatch that this reminds me of. The bit with fully naked Lea Seydoux.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:02 PM (GBKbO)
Sadly, we need annoying Lefy NYers to stay there, not flee to other states like locusts.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 20, 2024 04:02 PM (Hkcdp)
BTW, I read today that Senator Lankford (remember him?) is not running for reelection, although that won't happen until '28. Clearly, that's why McConnell picked him. It was a suicide mission. I hope he got a cup of sake beforehand.
Posted by: Archimedes at February 20, 2024 04:02 PM (CsUN+)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
One major developer, a guy who is on one of those shark tank shows, has announced he won't invest in New York state anymore.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 20, 2024 04:02 PM (lTGtQ)
An injured party.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (GBKbO)
But Trump said...well, you know what he said.
Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (xhfG9)
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That believing in American ideals, all Americans bleed red, white, and blue?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:02 PM (GBKbO)
Because appellate bonds are fkn BS. There's no reason for them. If someone with a judgement against them appeals and then tries to shift their assets to a spouse, child, whatever, as the appeals play out, there are already laws that can be used to prevent that. Appellate bonds are unnecessary and should be illegal af.
Posted by: deepelemblues at February 20, 2024 04:02 PM (z9n5F)
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That, but they also went full insurrection when their SALT deduction was capped. Amazing lenghts these fucks will go to avoid paying taxes. Colluding with the ChiComs to build and launch a Bio Weapon to enable a stolen election. These fucks need killing.
Posted by: Pudinhead at February 20, 2024 04:02 PM (DyHJQ)
Then: If you let the government look at the library records of resident aliens liberty is dead!
Now: If you didn't do anything wrong you have nothing to fear from the government listening to your phone calls, reading your emails, and auditing your finances.
Posted by: The Left at February 20, 2024 04:02 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: Archimedes
It’s normal, the award goes into escrow to avoid people appealing simply to delay payment. Lots of this is not normal, however.
Posted by: Piper at February 20, 2024 04:02 PM (ZdaMQ)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 20, 2024 04:03 PM (lTGtQ)
Posted by: DeVan
Ew, gross. That was written by old straight white cis colonizing slave owning dudes like a hundred years ago!
Posted by: Zoomer Lefty at February 20, 2024 04:03 PM (JCZqz)
This lawsuit was complete bullshit, I don’t know how you even have a lawsuit where there’s no standing. It wasn’t the bank suing, they were happy with the transaction.
But regarding the NY boycott, will Trump support? He told us to drop the Bud Light boycotts.
Posted by: Benchmark at February 20, 2024 04:03 PM (TlsDT)
Posted by: Gmac
Hold my hemp IPA....
Posted by: Gavin Newsome at February 20, 2024 04:03 PM (sAmhv)
An injured party.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:00 PM (GBKbO)
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There's lots of differences between the two lawsuit. But, the limitations on the defendant to appeal are comparable. Gawker had 1st amendment claims that might have gone somewhere on appeal. But, they made it financially impossible for him to appeal.
Posted by: No Name Today at February 20, 2024 04:03 PM (Xfs8m)
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Absolutely. Except that it's even worse that. It isn't just following the leftist prog line today, it's following it *forever* and deep into the unknowable future. If you are not on the Left Pole, you are a potential target - and the Pole can shift without notice. Any number of good, loyal, consistent progs have become Literally Hitler over the past few years because the pole keeps shifting.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:53 PM (HnUIn)
This is what the Prop 13 revolt in CA was about in the 80s - not letting the state set values on things at their whim - here house valuations for property taxes. They've been trying every election since to wiggle out of that trap and sink into that cash cow again.
Using this case the state could decide every home loan applicant was committing fraud and fine them.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 04:03 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2024 04:03 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Hrmmmmm
A Bill of Attainder is a law that is specifically passed targeting a person or group of persons.
In this case, the law's been on the books for decades and doesn't specifically name Trump or his companies, so the law itself wouldn't prima facie be a Bill of Attainder.
However, the law has never been used against anyone but Trump, so it will be interesting to see if the US Supreme Court will eventually have to decide if its application against only Trump constitutes a de facto Bill of Attainder. Especially with Governor Hochul's comments taken into consideration.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:04 PM (mY5Rs)
Posted by: Archimedes
That gives him four years before he can get back to molesting young boys fulltime at boys camp.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 04:04 PM (eYF7X)
Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at February 20, 2024 03:57 PM (qZdIZ)
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And CA accepts the challenge!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 03:58 PM (rGJZp)
I'm on it!!!
Posted by: Gavin Newsollini at February 20, 2024 04:04 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (HnUIn)
They aren't. Bentonville is full of leftards. You can smell the woke even before you hit the city limits.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 20, 2024 04:04 PM (pohLc)
Then: The rich need to pay their fair share of taxes!
Now: How dare you increase the taxes on my $5M house! I can barely pay for my maid, cook, nanny, trophy wife, overseas vacations and EV as it is!
Posted by: Lefties in the North East at February 20, 2024 04:04 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: sidney at February 20, 2024 04:04 PM (Uy/WF)
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You are dealing with the Kingdom of SoDiNY. Southern District of NY. Its a crime family. You are either in it or outside of it. Trump is outside and will be punished and assassinated. Just wait.
Posted by: Pudinhead at February 20, 2024 04:04 PM (DyHJQ)
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Rule by the mafia would be far superior morally to rule by the US federal government.
Much more efficient, too.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at February 20, 2024 04:04 PM (woPEM)
Probably more billionaires too.
Putting envelope to forehead Carnac the Magnificent predicts real estate values to plunge in NYC.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 20, 2024 04:04 PM (iKrUS)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (yeo1r)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:02 PM (GBKbO)
See? Just like Hitler.
If anything, the penalty is too small....
Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (xhfG9)
Yep, the bean counters will say, what's the big deal? Just do what she says and feed off the remains of everybody who leaves.
Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (moEfX)
Posted by: Archimedes
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Well, damn. I hope the OK GOP doesn't replace Lankford with another compromised crony.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (IX9tZ)
Posted by: AlecK
Great idea. That way GoFuckMe can take all that money and give it too that 'judge' for 'charity'.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (sAmhv)
They probably feel as long as they don't make waves, they are safe.
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (V6W16)
I'm not sure I like this about myself, but it's a fact. I no longer consider fuckbag communist cities like New York to be a part of my country.
Recently an unsettling thought occurred to me: "if 9/11 happened today, I wouldn't care."
Posted by: weew at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (EaEMG)
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That's the beauty of the "three felonies a day" system they've established.
Show them the man and they'll show you the paragraph. You're law abiding until they need to charge you, and then it's trivially easy to put any of us away for the rest of our lives.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Do you remember when our sun used to be yellow? at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (9rqlX)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:53 PM (HnUIn)
And the Deep State can punish you in other ways if you're deemed just insufficiently helpful to their cause. See also: who was saved and who wasn't when Soros crashed the economy in 2008.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (aIjRa)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (HnUIn)
Regional museums are often marvelous. They tend to have more classically pleasing works, and far fewer jars of urine with immersed crucifixes.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (gSZYf)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:53 PM (HnUIn)
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And they gave us signs. Back when a NY judge said that a "Choose Life" license plate was against their values, and back when Cuomo said that you had no place in NY if you were pro-life. You were just not their kind.
New York was signalling.
Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2024 04:06 PM (krQz2)
GoFundMe is openly leftist. You want GiveSendGo.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2024 04:06 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez
Depends on what you mean by 'big.'
PNC Financial in PN - $557 billion assets
US Bancorp is in MN - $680 billion assets
Truist in NC, a merger of BT&T and SunTrust. - $555 bill assets ( BT&T famously refused TARP funds in 08/09 )
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2024 04:06 PM (IG4Id)
Hochul. Brazenly admitting that this Law was a Bill of Attainde?
The LadyBalls on that Guy!
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:06 PM (IX9tZ)
Posted by: AlecK
Great idea. That way GoFuckMe can take all that money and give it too that 'judge' for 'charity'.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (sAmhv)
Yes, there is a GoFundMe...started 3 days ago.
Posted by: Nova Local at February 20, 2024 04:07 PM (exHjb)
https://mol.im/a/13105917
Posted by: Ciampino - Update #75 at February 20, 2024 04:07 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: Benchmark
It is better than that - the judge refused to allow Trump to present a defense.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 20, 2024 04:07 PM (lTGtQ)
IIRC GoFundMe refused to take money for the CA truckers. GiveSendGo tried to but the Canadian government froze the bank accounts of all the protestors and GSG had to refund the money to the donors.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 20, 2024 04:07 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (NYzgN)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (YqDXo)
My dream ticket for 2024 is, Nikki, I like strange dicky and Kumala, yes, I swallow. Hey, the country is going to hell in a handbasket so why not have entertainment?
Posted by: four seasons at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (PisyI)
Also, random cool Collections and usually a pretty nice Garden involved with a lot of them.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (IX9tZ)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (HnUIn)
"Flyover country" is not a cute little joke. National Review even under Buckley had far too much of that attitude for my comfort.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: fd at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (vFG9F)
I'm not sure I like this about myself, but it's a fact. I no longer consider fuckbag communist cities like New York to be a part of my country.
Recently an unsettling thought occurred to me: "if 9/11 happened today, I wouldn't care."
Posted by: weew at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (EaEMG)
Recently had the same thought and though the location would somewhat cloud my reaction, the death and images of everyday people suffering would probably get to me.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Pudinhead at February 20, 2024 03:56 PM
And that is the point, they want trump to sell everything he owns in NY at a loss just to cover this fine. The NYC commercial real estate base is dying and he will be forced to sell for literally pennies on the dollar. They are looking at bankrupting him and forcing him out of the primary.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (QNSds)
They probably feel as long as they don't make waves, they are safe.
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything
Yes. Safe. Until they are not. If they stay after all of this, they deserve what they get.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (sAmhv)
Prop 13 was 1978...but your point stands.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (gSZYf)
"Flyover country" is not a cute little joke. National Review even under Buckley had far too much of that attitude for my comfort.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (eoQWY)
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Personally, I prefer it when they just flyover.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (GBKbO)
What hardcore fascist state could possibly need developers and their banks?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (17s+e)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 04:09 PM (eYF7X)
That would be known as Evidence. And Trump was precluded from providing such.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:09 PM (IX9tZ)
"Flyover country" is not a cute little joke.
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It makes a lot of sense why so many people truly believe the planet is overcrowded.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Do you remember when our sun used to be yellow? at February 20, 2024 04:09 PM (9rqlX)
I bet he buys at the bottom and eventually gold-plates the Empire State Building.
Posted by: t-bird
Yes, but he's been forbidden by the Judge from "doing business" in New York for 3 years, so likely that'll be interpreted as "he's not allowed to sell his assets in New York", either.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:10 PM (mY5Rs)
I'm not sure I like this about myself, but it's a fact. I no longer consider fuckbag communist cities like New York to be a part of my country.
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What took you so long?
Posted by: Pudinhead at February 20, 2024 04:10 PM (DyHJQ)
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:05 PM (IX9tZ)
Josef K didn't carry a gun
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 04:10 PM (xcxpd)
Lawyer: E. Jean Carroll Might Sue Donald Trump 3rd Time
She finally found something that excites her more than Rape Fantasies.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:10 PM (IX9tZ)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 04:08 PM (YqDXo)
I'm sure they do in a general sense - if you tried that trick with an outhouse or something they'd balk. But as long as the asset is something you are gonna want to lose by not paying the loan its not a big deal what you put down.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 04:10 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2024 04:10 PM (d2bW3)
Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (Vu7A1)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (IG4Id)
If I'm remembering right, GFM also did something fucky with donations to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal defense fund. I think they either tried to keep them or give them to Antifa.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (2ocoG)
Maybe Elon will toss $50 mil or so into that GoFundMe.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (T3es0)
Posted by: Braenyard at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (iKrUS)
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That's what I'm saying.
Posted by: Gross Miscarriage of Justice at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:10 PM (mY5Rs)
he could shut them down.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (eoQWY)
She admits that a law and its enforcement targets Trump.
Wonder how long drones are going to be able to repeat "Two-tiered justice is a conspiracy theory!"
Posted by: Axeman at February 20, 2024 03:52 PM (krQz2)
Please call her something else!!!!
Posted by: Doof at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (JunzL)
Admittedly, it would have been a much shorter story if they had opened up on him in his apartment, that first morning.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (IX9tZ)
Please...Please...Please let me be on the jury that decides that!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (W/lyH)
Surprise! The viral video is edited. They removed the part where the black woman hit the guy first, before the slap.
http://tiny.cc/yi5zwz
Posted by: bonhomme at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (6OrcJ)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (2ocoG)
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GFYS tried both.
Posted by: Gross Miscarriage of Justice at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (krQz2)
We have Calvinlaw, there are no rules at all.
Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (Vu7A1)
The Law of the Jungle, the Will to Power
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (VbW3c)
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They did their due diligance. That's why the banks involved said they were perfectly happy with their loans to Trump and hoped they could do business with him again.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (woPEM)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Do you remember when our sun used to be yellow? at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (9rqlX)
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Absolutely. Except that it's even worse that. It isn't just following the leftist prog line today, it's following it *forever* and deep into the unknowable future. If you are not on the Left Pole, you are a potential target - and the Pole can shift without notice. Any number of good, loyal, consistent progs have become Literally Hitler over the past few years because the pole keeps shifting.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 03:53 PM (HnUIn)
Collectivist revolutions always devolve into a purity spiral. Factions jockeying for power will fvkc each other over.
You can be a rich CEO and think you're a good Party man ... until your mistress calls a Party boss's mistress a "bitch." Oops, now you're on the outs.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (pJWtt)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (5/Jrx)
Here's the thing I don't get. Surely the banks would do their own valuation of the property, I'm not rely on evaluation supplied by the applicant for a loan. Whatever happened to due diligence?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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They do. Scott Adams has been on about this since he was once a loan analyst. He said it's standard practice for banks to slash the applicant's valuation by about a third.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:13 PM (I87yH)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2024 04:10 PM (d2bW3)
Trump is ultimately the stepping stone to the next anti-establishment candidate. This is the heckler's veto, writ large. They're making an example of Trump to prevent who/what comes next.
I'm voting to prevent that from happening.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2024 04:13 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 20, 2024 04:04 PM (pohLc)
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Ah, but that doesn't matter. It's still The Interior, and is still therefore alien.
The Google all-company meeting following Trump's election in 2016 was illustrative in this regard. Someone asked, since Google is viewed as "coastal elite" and so on, whether Google should considering investing in and opening offices in the interior. The reply was that the perception was wrong and Google *does* have offices in the interior, in places like Austin and Boulder and Ann Arbor.
To the royal court back in Mountain View, they have that presence in the Interior. They don't understand - probably can't understand - that this position makes normals guffaw because places like Austin and Boulder and Ann Arbor are more like Mountain View than they are like normal place in the same areas. To the Mountain View crowd, they are wildly different, and those provincial capitals are still, well, *provincial" and thus backwards. They'd be confused if not horrified to know that outsiders view them as more alike than different.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:13 PM (HnUIn)
#1 NY corporations have her word as a Hochul that no one else needs to be worried about being singled out by Dem, Inc. for extreme prejudice.
#2 If any bank or financial institution operating in any way, shape or form in NY provides financial services to Donnie "Two Scoops", it will be be treated with hammer and sickle for its transgressions.
Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2024 04:13 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at February 20, 2024 04:13 PM (USTAS)
Admittedly, it would have been a much shorter story if they had opened up on him in his apartment, that first morning.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (IX9tZ)
"The Tale of the Secret Policeman Who Didn't Go Home Safe at the End of the Day" doesn't have the same ring to it, but I like it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 04:13 PM (xcxpd)
Abu — and this part is on him — saw some nearby cops and thought they could be of assistance. They surely were, albeit to 26-year-old Yeison Sanchez, the drunk migrant.
Police arrested Abu and charged him with third-degree assault after Sanchez claimed that Abu had punched him in the face because taking the word of a drunk guy masturbating in public over a delivery guy making his rounds is the only sensible course of action in a place as crazy as New York City.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 20, 2024 04:13 PM (NYzgN)
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Calm your tits. Not gonna happen. He needs 1 to 3 % cash and a surety. Then he signs off collateral on the bond so the bondholders, if they have to pay the judgement, get ownership of the collateral. He will collateral ize his golf course and Mira lago. The bond company will make interest and the. Trump will win and get all his shit back
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:13 PM (aIjRa)
It is important to note that this Testimony was ONLY allowed during the Penalty Phase of the proceedings.
Trump had already been declared guilty by Judge Nipples.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:14 PM (IX9tZ)
Surprise! The viral video is edited. They removed the part where the black woman hit the guy first, before the slap.
http://tiny.cc/yi5zwz
Posted by: bonhomme at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (6OrcJ)
Obviously - if a dude is gonna slap a woman, he's not gonna stop...UNLESS he did it to get even from something she did first.
See domestic violence...dudes don't stop punching if they start it...
Posted by: Nova Local at February 20, 2024 04:14 PM (exHjb)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 20, 2024 04:14 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:14 PM (mY5Rs)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Do you remember when our sun used to be yellow? at February 20, 2024 04:15 PM (9rqlX)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's phone
True. However, would you start up a new financial firm in NY now? Hell no.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2024 04:15 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at February 20, 2024 04:15 PM (pohLc)
They did!
Judge Engoron pulled a number out of his ass and said, "Your number isn't the same as mine. That's fraud."
Posted by: bonhomme at February 20, 2024 04:15 PM (6OrcJ)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 20, 2024 04:14 PM (tT6L1)
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"I sold Hochul some nice rope the other day. In fact, here she is at my door! She's got that rope in a nice loop to show me her ability with knots!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: ShainS -- Boycott New York & other Blue Shithole Cities #TruckersForTrump at February 20, 2024 04:15 PM (666nr)
This judge is making up rules as he goes, and not following actual case law, therefore he shouldn't be protected from being sued in to poverty for his actions. He's currently using the court as a political weapon, which is far bigger a crime than any Trump may have committed, should come with the fine that destroys his family for generations. He's old and will die soon, so let him die knowing he made his kids and grand kids suffer. (if he has any, i assume by the look at him he's more into the dudes, or at least the 8 to 12 year old dudes)
Posted by: Rbastid at February 20, 2024 04:16 PM (g0TmC)
http://tiny.cc/5j5zwz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:16 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Do you remember when our sun used to be yellow? at February 20, 2024 04:16 PM (9rqlX)
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So what--- it's not like he doesn't have properties elsewhere. Everybody breathe into paperbag or something it's going to be ok.
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (aIjRa)
Everyone knows this is a Trump one off, and a lopsided Majority of New Yorkers absolutely love it.
Posted by: Benchmark at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (TlsDT)
http://tiny.cc/5j5zwz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:16 PM (HnUIn)
Abs
Nipples
Thighs
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: fd at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (vFG9F)
Judge Engoron pulled a number out of his ass and said, "Your number isn't the same as mine. That's fraud."
IIRC, it was something like $18M, although that might have been the number some judge gave for Mar-a-Lago. Either one is absurd, but hey, judges know better than real estate developers about the value of very expensive properties, right?
Posted by: Archimedes at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (CsUN+)
he's been forbidden by the Judge from "doing business" in New York for 3 years, so likely that'll be interpreted as "he's not allowed to sell his assets in New York", either.
Posted by: Sharkman
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So I guess the plan is that if Trump doesn't come up with cash from elsewhere, New York will levy whatever Trump assets they can to get the judgment. Say, maybe, a couple of luxury hotels in Manhattan. Just seize them. What a country.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (T3es0)
Posted by: ShainS -- Boycott New York & other Blue Shithole Cities #TruckersForTrump at February 20, 2024 04:15 PM (666nr)
Honestly believe this ongoing persecution of Trump is going to gain him followers in the black community. If there's one group that doesn't trust the law, it's them.
Hell, I still remembering listening to Rush when the NBA was trying to force out the LA Clippers owner for being a racist. A black guy called in and said the fix was in. They just didn't like this guy so they conspired to get one of their friends in. Guy was spot on.
The powers that be are playing with fire here.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (KbCG3)
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So what--- it's not like he doesn't have properties elsewhere. Everybody breathe into paperbag or something it's going to be ok.
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (aIjRa)
So you're saying we should Trust the Plan?
Noted.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 04:18 PM (xcxpd)
LOL. That decrepit cocksucker is lucky if he doesn't fall off the podium.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 04:18 PM (eYF7X)
http://tiny.cc/5j5zwz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:16 PM (HnUIn)
Abs
Nipples
Thighs
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (xcxpd)
In that order!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2024 04:18 PM (KbCG3)
Epoch Times
Posted by: illiniwek at February 20, 2024 04:18 PM (Cus5s)
It's obvious that Judge Engeron has lots of anal traffic.
Posted by: Archimedes at February 20, 2024 04:18 PM (CsUN+)
This is exactly the type of stuff the people like Putin would use against political enemies
Posted by: Benchmark at February 20, 2024 04:18 PM (TlsDT)
Everyone knows this is a Trump one off, and a lopsided Majority of New Yorkers absolutely love it.
Posted by: Benchmark at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (TlsDT)
Nah, they'll need to wrist slap a liberal goof to avoid the bill of attainder and political law label and get a fig leaf.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 04:18 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: wth at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM (9yWhg)
http://tiny.cc/5j5zwz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
Looks like a Chinese national. Would not.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM (eYF7X)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM (byGob)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (KbCG3)
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You mean, the inner city population of Philly could actually show up to their voting precincts and vote instead of just letting the poll workers use the uncleaned voter rolls as a playground?
Surely, you jest.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM (NYzgN)
Posted by: The SLightly Aroused, yet still, Cowardly Lion at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM (IX9tZ)
As much as I want to fantasize this has some sort of ripple effect in New York banking and real estate, it won’t.
Everyone knows this is a Trump one off, and a lopsided Majority of New Yorkers absolutely love it.
Posted by: Benchmark
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Exactly what I've been saying. Does Bill Ackman invest in New York in any fashion? I don't think he's said a word about this and I'm sure liberal soft-heads like him -- as well as liberal hard-heads -- know this is all about one defendant.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM (I87yH)
http://tiny.cc/5j5zwz
Her mons is shy.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:20 PM (IX9tZ)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (T3es0)
Apparently he's already assessed Mira Largo at some tiny value, so look to that to be first to go.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 04:20 PM (eoQWY)
Yep. People found nearby properties that were selling for or had recently sold for more money. They had less land, no beach, and were single family dwellings. $18 million for Mar-a-Lago is a valuation that doesn't exist in this universe.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 20, 2024 04:20 PM (6OrcJ)
You can't do business in the N.Y. for 3 years.
You can't get a loan without doing business.
You can't sell property without doing business.
Nice catch-22 mr. judge.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 20, 2024 04:21 PM (ZC7qa)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 20, 2024 04:21 PM (VbW3c)
I'm voting to prevent that from happening.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
I think this is eventually going to go bad. Biden will likely steal the election, and he or whomever will start really going after conservatives.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2024 04:21 PM (d2bW3)
If enough illegals get shipped in and are shown preferential treatment, then yes, the inner city population is likely to actually do something.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2024 04:21 PM (2ocoG)
[ZeroHedge headline from end of last week:]
"F**k Around & Find Out": Truckers Warn Loads To NYC Will Be Rejected Starting Monday
[Pull quote:] "We're tired of motherf**king leftist f**king with Trump. Okay ... Motherfu**ers start to get tired of this shit. Our bosses aren't going to care if we deny loads. We'll go somewhere else."
Posted by: ShainS -- Boycott New York & other Blue Shithole Cities #TruckersForTrump at February 20, 2024 04:21 PM (666nr)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:01 PM (HnUIn)
Of having known numerous New Yorkers in my life's travels, I rate this comment as TRUE.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 20, 2024 04:21 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (KbCG3)
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You mean, the inner city population of Philly could actually show up to their voting precincts and vote instead of just letting the poll workers use the uncleaned voter rolls as a playground?
Surely, you jest.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM (GBKbO)
I've never been more serious in my life.
And don't call me Surely.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2024 04:22 PM (KbCG3)
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No he will need 4 mill or so in cash. The the bond company will post the bond. Trump will have to collateralize the bond with property. If the company has to pay the get the property automatically. Plenty of insurance companies would love to have ownership of the Scotland golf course or Mira lago or both.
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:22 PM (aIjRa)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2024 04:22 PM (d2bW3)
If I were a shareholder of a bank I would be arguing against making any loans in NYC
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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Are most of those hi-finance people Democrats? They're probably a little horrified at the sheer magnitude and naked partisanship of the thing, but only in the sense of watching someone else's horror show. As for themselves sitting in the safety of a theater, they know they're safe.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:22 PM (I87yH)
If enough illegals get shipped in and are shown preferential treatment, then yes, the inner city population is likely to actually do something.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2024 04:21 PM (2ocoG)
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I somehow don't think voting is going to be high up in the list of things for them to do, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:22 PM (GBKbO)
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Anarcho-Tyranny. Apparently Wikipedia doesn't want anyone to use it -
Coordinative compound of anarcho- + tyranny. First sense coined by Sam Francis, a white nationalist.
Noun
anarcho-tyranny (plural anarcho-tyrannies)
a system of government that fails to enforce or adjudicate protection to its citizens while simultaneously persecuting innocent conduct
an armed dictatorship without rule of law
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 20, 2024 04:23 PM (fs1hN)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 20, 2024 04:23 PM (NYzgN)
One major developer, a guy who is on one of those shark tank shows, has announced he won't invest in New York state anymore.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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I'd like to know what the guy's politics are.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:23 PM (I87yH)
If I say you broke the law, you broke the law and must pay the penalty.
If you broke no law you have nothing to worry about.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 20, 2024 04:23 PM (iKrUS)
And don't call me Surely.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2024 04:22 PM (KbCG3)
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I just want to tell you both good luck, we're all counting on you.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:23 PM (GBKbO)
Agreed, but I when I looked at GiveSendGo, there were a bunch of fundraisers for the same thing none of which had raised more than $1000 or so.
Posted by: AlecK at February 20, 2024 04:23 PM (cMlC1)
That’s what this whole case was over, NY thinks the bank should have charged a higher interstate because he overstated his assets.
Posted by: Benchmark at February 20, 2024 04:23 PM (TlsDT)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:24 PM (GBKbO)
One major developer, a guy who is on one of those shark tank shows, has announced he won't invest in New York state anymore.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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I'd like to know what the guy's politics are.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:23 PM (I87yH)
Kevin O'Leary. Briefly ran for PM in Canada as a conservative.
I think he's more of a capitalist than anything, but he's not a lefty.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2024 04:24 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Benchmark at February 20, 2024 04:24 PM (TlsDT)
Surely, you jest.
The new mayor said she was going to crack down on crime. I know a lot of inner city types are tired of the homicides every night, but they won't vote for a conservative.
It's February 20th and we already have 43 homicides.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2024 04:24 PM (d2bW3)
Every Crossfit gym has at least a couple of women who look like her. For all the crap that Crossfit deservedly gets, they sure do manage to churn out some gorgeous fit chicks.
If you can avoid injury long enough, that is.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 20, 2024 04:25 PM (6OrcJ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2024 04:25 PM (Ki//m)
Posted by: ShainS -- Boycott New York & other Blue Shithole Cities #TruckersForTrump at February 20, 2024 04:21 PM (666nr)
I heard someone say "No biggie, they will just overpay to find truckers who will go". Ok great, now your resources cost a significant chunk more and the bidding wars can commence.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 04:25 PM (eoQWY)
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They did their due diligance. That's why the banks involved said they were perfectly happy with their loans to Trump and hoped they could do business with him again.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (woPEM)
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Not just the bank. Actuaries from the Insurance Co. and likely a Re-insurance Co. would have also done a Marshal and Swift on the properties.
Posted by: Orson at February 20, 2024 04:25 PM (dIske)
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Did various NY officials conspire to deny Donald Trump his constitutional rights?
Because that is a federal rap
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 03:51 PM (geLO
That's the way it looks.
i hope Trump can go after the judge and anyone involved in this case hammer and tongs.
It would seem to be something the Supreme Court should take up immediately.
Or, start prosecuting any developer with a high estimate open their property for a loan.
All of these folk should be disbarred and imprisoned if possible.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2024 04:25 PM (nFnyb)
They should really change that term to Homie-cide.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:25 PM (IX9tZ)
It's February 20th and we already have 43 homicides.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2024 04:24 PM (d2bW3)
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Well, then they should just continue voting the same way that has gotten them to this point. That'll fix things.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:26 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Benchmark
Not this again.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:26 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM
The fact that the governor of NY is admitting on video that this law only applies to trump is what will ultimately win his appeal. Her statements are the literal definition of bill of attainder:
A bill of attainder (also known as an act of attainder or writ of attainder or bill of penalties) is an act of a legislature declaring a person, or a group of people, guilty of some crime, and punishing them, often without a trial.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 20, 2024 04:26 PM (QNSds)
No he will need 4 mill or so in cash. The the bond company will post the bond. Trump will have to collateralize the bond with property. If the company has to pay the get the property automatically. Plenty of insurance companies would love to have ownership of the Scotland golf course or Mira lago or both.
Posted by: Watch
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Ah, so. Well, if there's $500k in the GoFundMe already, and my buddy Elon kicks in a mere hundred thou, it's looking good!
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:26 PM (T3es0)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:22 PM (I87yH)
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Until they realize all the exit doors were locked while they were distracted.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 20, 2024 04:26 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: lost in space at February 20, 2024 04:27 PM (Fm4kk)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures
......
I knew we'd soon be talking about tits.
Posted by: wth at February 20, 2024 04:27 PM (v0R5T)
No he will need 4 mill or so in cash. The the bond company will post the bond. Trump will have to collateralize the bond with property. If the company has to pay the get the property automatically. Plenty of insurance companies would love to have ownership of the Scotland golf course or Mira lago or both.
Posted by: Watch
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I meant to add, I wonder how many bonds of that value have been created for a civil fine.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:27 PM (T3es0)
This precedent will allow any DA to bring just cause against any developer who has violated this precedent.
It will be his duty.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 20, 2024 04:27 PM (iKrUS)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 20, 2024 04:27 PM (d2bW3)
Nipples
Thighs
Oh, My!
Posted by: The SLightly Aroused, yet still, Cowardly Lion at February 20, 2024 04:19 PM (IX9tZ)
Thighs like that could kill a man!
Posted by: Diogenes at February 20, 2024 04:27 PM (W/lyH)
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Just this morning it was noted that the left are all neurotic panic addicts. I like to think that logic and good humor our are brand. Ok, so now that I wrote that out I realize how stupid that is..... everybody Freakout!!!!!
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:27 PM (aIjRa)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:22 PM (I87yH)
Do "they" think they're "safe"? Real estate tycoons think in terms of decades, not next week, or the next election. They can't pick up their office buildings, condominium complexes, or shopping centers and just walk away. If there is no law, no predictable path for continued ownership, all hell is going to break out in the NY market.
Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2024 04:27 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Oldcat
That is fine. Congress will draft a $5T bailout to trucking companies to cover the increased cost to hire drivers to NYC. Paid through 15 different NGOs who all take a cut.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 20, 2024 04:28 PM (NYzgN)
Posted by: Benchmark
How much did you give?
Please show your work.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 20, 2024 04:28 PM (ZC7qa)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 20, 2024 04:28 PM (2ijlT)
Hochul has just shown them what the acceptable boundaries are. You can have any political opinions you want, as long as you recognize the supremacy of Democrats.
Posted by: PG at February 20, 2024 04:28 PM (gQbO4)
That’s what this whole case was over, NY thinks the bank should have charged a higher interstate because he overstated his assets.
Posted by: Benchmark
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Interesting. The banks have said that they charged him a higher rate because...Trump.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 20, 2024 04:29 PM (iKrUS)
Surprise! The viral video is edited. They removed the part where the black woman hit the guy first, before the slap.
http://tiny.cc/yi5zwz
Posted by: bonhomme at February 20, 2024 04:12 PM (6OrcJ)
But it's white man's fault she's pissed off.
Hope she meets a timely, black, keepin' it reelz end to her existence.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 20, 2024 04:29 PM (Zz0t1)
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Not fines, but a product liability verdict is not unusual in that range or higher...
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:29 PM (aIjRa)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 20, 2024 04:29 PM (fs1hN)
As far as "Cruel"? By Edrogons OWN evaluation of asset worth, Trump Tower itself, one of NYC's, thus America's, and the World's, Largest and most Iconic buildings, is worth LESS than the fine he imposed.
Many of the other "Trump Buildings" are not even owned by Trump, he merely owns the parking there, and some commercial/store/restaurant spaces in them...they PAY him to be able to have HIS NAME on their buildings, with the Ban on him doing business THEY will have to take that name down, and his income from that is GONE. Above and beyond the "Pound of Flesh" monetary "Fines".
...a gang of armed "Yoots" robbed the Gucci Store of $51,000 worth of purses and a few suitcases today. Will Edrogon now Convict and fine Gucci for "Criminally Inflating the Valuations of their property and products"?...Near identical merchandise can be purchased on sidewalks near times square for mere fractions of those tag prices.
Posted by: birdog at February 20, 2024 04:29 PM (SFGDK)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:30 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 20, 2024 04:21 PM (VbW3c)
I'm not asking anymore.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 20, 2024 04:30 PM (W/lyH)
Interesting. The banks have said that they charged him a higher rate because...Trump.
Posted by: Braenyard
And they said they were paid back the entire required amount.
That doesn't matter to some people who want there own facts.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 20, 2024 04:30 PM (ZC7qa)
Posted by: Paul banned at February 20, 2024 04:30 PM (nQpDx)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 20, 2024 04:30 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2024 04:25 PM (Ki//m)
.......
Also pants 3 sizes too small.
Posted by: wth at February 20, 2024 04:31 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 20, 2024 04:31 PM (VbW3c)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 20, 2024 04:31 PM (OZjDX)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
That's nobody's business but the Turks!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:31 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2024 04:32 PM (fwDg9)
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of Finance?
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:32 PM (IX9tZ)
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There was a trial. A trial to determine damages, the judge having already found Trump guilty based soley on the prosecution's documents.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 20, 2024 04:32 PM (fs1hN)
Posted by: mrp
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Agreed. There are backroom meetings aplenty right now.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 20, 2024 04:32 PM (iKrUS)
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Did the bank consider itself harmed in this manner, or did it take the evaluation as it takes the evaluations from other customers?
If this is a crime, surely New York will go after every other institution in the state that follows such practices.
You wouldn't be supporting a fascist organization that allows the connected to "break the law" while only going after political opponents, would you?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:32 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2024 04:32 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 20, 2024 04:30 PM (FVME7)
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Are you kidding? Holland was just as much a bunch of cruel, racist white colonial oppressors as England.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 20, 2024 04:32 PM (HnUIn)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 20, 2024 04:33 PM (VbW3c)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2024 04:33 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: DFCtomm at February 20, 2024 04:33 PM (50VAR)
we're gonna need another Cloverfield monster
do it right
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 04:33 PM (geLO8)
Husband and I are in South Carolina for a few months. We are here to get our house ready to sell. I keep getting texts from Nikki I like strange dickie.
I texted back "I have two dogs, one named Trump and the other None of the above. Whichever dog shits first on the 24th gets my vote and that won't be you."
Posted by: four seasons at February 20, 2024 04:33 PM (PisyI)
That would have to be passed by a legislature through normal processes.
This is just a judge saying "i don't like you, give me money".
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 20, 2024 04:33 PM (9UlRk)
So it not a lie if I have a different opinion than you about a valuation, unless you hate me and have the power to do me harm....
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:33 PM (aIjRa)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at February 20, 2024 04:33 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
And they culturally appropriated rijstafel.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:34 PM (9yWhg)
This is a reason to be more lazy than we ought to be. Regardless of the likely truth of what you say.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 20, 2024 04:34 PM (cf/0E)
Posted by: Paul banned at February 20, 2024 04:30 PM (nQpDx)
This guy really is a retard.
Can this judge with zero experience of real estate sales/loans estimate the value of Trump's property better than Trump and his advisors can?
No, he cannot. This is simple, evil political persecution.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2024 04:34 PM (nFnyb)
Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2024 04:32 PM (rj6Yv)
Because if too many businesses move out, her tax base goes to 0. If buildings re-evaluate their value to conform to these rules, property tax receipts go way way down.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 04:34 PM (eoQWY)
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she's an avenging angel for Trump haters
and she hopes to ride that to higher office some day
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 04:34 PM (geLO8)
a gang of armed "Yoots" robbed the Gucci Store of $51,000 worth of purses and a few suitcases today. Will Edrogon now Convict and fine Gucci for "Criminally Inflating the Valuations of their property and products"?...Near identical merchandise can be purchased on sidewalks near times square for mere fractions of those tag prices.
Posted by: birdog
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lol, "near identical merchandise"? The SAME merchandise. All the yoots do is take it around the corner and sell it on the sidewalk.
Judge: "Gucci is clearly guilty of over-valuation of their goods, which cost $5000 in the store while these humble street vendors are able to sell the same products for only $500."
Everyone: "You graduated from the same Econ program as AOC, right?"
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:34 PM (T3es0)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 20, 2024 04:35 PM (ZC7qa)
Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2024 04:32 P
Sorry but there was no trial. Trump was not allowed to ask for a jury trial and the judge refused to let trump defend himself in court. The judge "deemed" trump guilty on day one and they went straight to the penalty phase.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 20, 2024 04:35 PM (QNSds)
http://tiny.cc/5j5zwz
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Does not skip leg day with those Thighs of Doom.
Posted by: ShainS -- Boycott New York & other Blue Shithole Cities #TruckersForTrump at February 20, 2024 04:35 PM (666nr)
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I regret to say that I am not so sanguine as you, sir
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 04:36 PM (geLO8)
As Mark Steyn keeps saying, "Don't wave your Constitution at me!"
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at February 20, 2024 04:36 PM (Q7cQT)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2024 04:33 PM (2ocoG)
Probably somebody did, it sure sounded like some other books I had read on the subject years before. I wasn't impressed.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 20, 2024 04:36 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:37 PM (9yWhg)
That was statutory.
The charging of him, under this statute though, is unique.
It will get overturned.
That's why the Judge is trying to Punish on the front end. He designed this to hurt regardless of the appeal and its (likely) success.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:37 PM (IX9tZ)
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See?? It's an opinion. Not a fact. Just because the know nothing judge had a different opinion, doesn't make it fraud. It should get thrown out unanimously.
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:37 PM (aIjRa)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 20, 2024 04:38 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:38 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: naturalfake
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He doesn't get paid for what he says.
He gets paid for the amount of response he receives.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 20, 2024 04:38 PM (iKrUS)
Posted by: ShainS
I like those thighs.
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Big legged woman ain't got no soul....
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:39 PM (aIjRa)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:38 PM (9yWhg)
That's a resume enhancer for Democrats.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 20, 2024 04:39 PM (VbW3c)
It has been revitalized before, but I don't see it happening again. Everything that has put a gravestone on American cities has been put on NYC as well.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 20, 2024 04:39 PM (cf/0E)
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 20, 2024 04:39 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: Watch
I'm not hyperventilating about the case. Just commenting on the ruling. I assume Trump has enough funds/assets to eventually prevail.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:39 PM (mY5Rs)
1 The fine was excessive by any means
2 THe judge determined that Trumps valuation was too high before any evidence was produced
3 Other evidence was not allowed into the court
4 The judge was blatantly biased against Trump
5 The case was brought by a corrupt AG who ran on "getting Trump" law be damned
6 THere was no victim
Everything about this case is extreme BS and both Engoron and James need to be decorating lamp posts for the outrageous attack on the rule of law
Posted by: Bonecrusher at February 20, 2024 04:40 PM (JNTt1)
Posted by: Eromero at February 20, 2024 04:40 PM (NxC5+)
That's why the Judge is trying to Punish on the front end. He designed this to hurt regardless of the appeal and its (likely) success.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2024 04:37 PM (IX9tZ)
In Heaven's Name, where? How?
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at February 20, 2024 04:40 PM (Q7cQT)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:40 PM (GBKbO)
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I regret to say that I am not so sanguine as you, sir
Posted by: Don Black
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I'm pretty confident. Really. But if it makes you feel any better, they're going to steal the election. Again.
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:41 PM (aIjRa)
Posted by: 18-1 at February 20, 2024 04:41 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 20, 2024 04:38 PM (tT6L1)
So you're saying that Hochul has probably received a deluge of phone calls on the secret phone and that the ensuing conversations were somewhat distressing and ... direct?
Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2024 04:41 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: 18-1
I thought farts were the voice of the clam.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:42 PM (9yWhg)
Will they offer Trump Tax Refunds now based upon Edrogons new valuations, paying HIM interest? Apparently Edrogon went back at least 10 years in Trumps loans and insurance records...an equivalent date range must be applied.
ALL of the lenders and Insurers involved said they would LOVE to do Business with Trump again, but are now banned from it. They also stated under oath, that the valuations were not even needed, as soon as he "Personally guaranteed payment" they were all in. These were essentially "Signature Loans", because his mere WORD is that Good.
Edrogon slapped on 9% interest,
30yr fixed Jumbo current rate is 7.5%, "Govt Rates" are 5.5%
Posted by: birdog at February 20, 2024 04:42 PM (SFGDK)
I'm pretty confident. Really. But if it makes you feel any better, they're going to steal the election. Again.
Posted by: Watch
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That's something I wanted to ask about in the Nate Silver and Ezra Klein thread but I was too late. Doesn't the fact that lefties are shaking and quaking bode well? It seems like they're not so confident in a 2024 steal.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:42 PM (I87yH)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 20, 2024 04:38 PM (tT6L1)
So you're saying that Hochul has probably received a deluge of phone calls on the secret phone and that the ensuing conversations were somewhat distressing and ... direct?
Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2024 04:41 PM (rj6Yv)
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Nah. That can't be. I've been assured that the entire corporate environment is secretly cheering this because they know for sure it will never turn on them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:42 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 20, 2024 04:43 PM (YRsIm)
Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2024 04:41 PM (rj6Yv)
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Aren't vacancy rate in business buildings quite hight right now?
If so, then, yes.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 20, 2024 04:43 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Even easier, get a judge from outside the city to bring suit against every single lib pol and journalist's property because they took a loan out for more than the property is worth 'in the judge's opinion' of course.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 20, 2024 04:43 PM (ZC7qa)
2.35%
Posted by: birdog at February 20, 2024 04:43 PM (SFGDK)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:38 PM (9yWhg)
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A certain scene from "The Gentleman" would be apropos. Well, several. But the one with the pig specifically.
Posted by: Turn 2 at February 20, 2024 04:44 PM (JfxgE)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Did you know Blues Clues had a tranny / pride parade episode? at February 20, 2024 04:44 PM (0+Kup)
So you're saying that Hochul has probably received a deluge of phone calls on the secret phone and that the ensuing conversations were somewhat distressing and ... direct?
Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2024 04:41 PM (rj6Yv)
Nyah-nyah. It's okay when we do t
Posted by: Democrats at February 20, 2024 04:44 PM (Q7cQT)
When Trump is finally assassinated - we all know that's how this ends - what happens?
My money's on 'not much,' but I wouldn't be shocked to see disjointed asymmetric events occurring once in a while.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 20, 2024 04:44 PM (/nCD+)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 20, 2024 04:44 PM (cf/0E)
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 20, 2024 04:44 PM (xcrUy)
So you're saying that Hochul has probably received a deluge of phone calls on the secret phone and that the ensuing conversations were somewhat distressing and ... direct?
Posted by: mrp
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I have to admit, as cynical as I am that this "judgment" will scare off those fvcking lefty developers and investors, Hochul's move seems like a response to concerned viewers.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:44 PM (T3es0)
Posted by: bonhomme at February 20, 2024 04:45 PM (6OrcJ)
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at February 20, 2024 04:45 PM (7SZ6O)
You never know until you try. It just might work.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:45 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finishing up the Best Pictures at February 20, 2024 04:42 PM (GBKbO)
_________________
You know you can trust a Democrat's word!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 04:45 PM (YqDXo)
Fay Wray was hot.
http://tinyurl.com/ystn7nrp
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 20, 2024 04:45 PM (eYF7X)
Posted by: runner at February 20, 2024 04:46 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: ShainS
I like those thighs.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:37 PM
She's got Colonel Sanders thighs.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 20, 2024 04:46 PM (QNSds)
The fair lady Jessica says the same thing. But the Paolo? He tells me I do a great job washing the sheets and his boxers.
Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at February 20, 2024 04:46 PM (ibTVg)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at February 20, 2024 04:47 PM (woPEM)
do it right
Posted by: Don Black
That was a much better movie than most people believe.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:47 PM (mY5Rs)
One can hear the suitcases being slammed shut.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 20, 2024 04:47 PM (iKrUS)
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It is. A lot of big money has moved out of state in recent years. They start losing Corp headquarters for some big multi nationals it's going to hurt a lot. They got a giant budget, and it's financed on taxing businesses and rich people.
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:47 PM (aIjRa)
Why follow the money in NY?
Why not make the money come to HIM for a change?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 20, 2024 04:47 PM (7fElN)
http://tinyurl.com/ystn7nrp
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Yes she was. Which brings me to this pun:
Q. Was King Kong based on a true sstory?
A. No. It was just a faiwray tale.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHA
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:47 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at February 20, 2024 04:48 PM (7SZ6O)
Posted by: mrp at February 20, 2024 04:48 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 20, 2024 04:46 PM (QNSds)
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One of Kim Carnes's lesser known works.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at February 20, 2024 04:48 PM (F4bAW)
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:47 PM (mY5Rs)
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Watching 10 seconds of that movie was enough to make me nauseous. I can't stand "shakycam footage."
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 20, 2024 04:48 PM (7fElN)
Posted by: Skip at February 20, 2024 04:48 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 04:48 PM (geLO8)
Numb nuts, since you've apparently never taken out a real estate loan, ask your mom about this. Did the lender take her word for what her property was worth, including your basement dwelling?
No. The lender would investigate the value of comparable properties, and would likely send out an assessor to measure the property, the land it sits on, etc.
Similarly, for those who have never paid property taxes (ahem, i.e., you), the county assessor decides what your property is worth for tax purposes. Nobody asks YOU what it's worth.
Now run along. The grownups are talking.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 04:49 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
Same with me and The Blair Witch Project.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:49 PM (9yWhg)
Gov. Abbott is probably up there right now courting Businesses to move to Texas.
Other Guvz too, I'm sure.
It's a golden opportunity.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2024 04:49 PM (nFnyb)
Other than no basis in traditional law that it's a great ruling by 'Judge' Engoron.
Prediction: if they don't dispose of Trump in some manner he will arrange for Hillary's long overdue appearance in Federal Court .... in a not so friendly to her venue.
Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at February 20, 2024 04:50 PM (LkVLg)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
The time has not yet come when people like me and many here, who are very heavily armed and know how to use weapons, but who also have jobs and family and bank accounts and a reasonable future ahead of us, will take action. We'll have to be faced with losing everything FOR REAL. Only then will the SHTF.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:50 PM (mY5Rs)
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Not a reassuring one either.
Posted by: Braenyard at February 20, 2024 04:50 PM (iKrUS)
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Hey, I got my piece of the action, that's all that matters.
-NYC Director of Migrant Services
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 20, 2024 04:50 PM (fs1hN)
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inexperienced New Jersey bank = bank owned by relatives of politicians involved 👏
Posted by: Watch at February 20, 2024 04:51 PM (aIjRa)
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 04:51 PM (geLO8)
Watching 10 seconds of that movie was enough to make me nauseous. I can't stand "shakycam footage."
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 20, 2024 04:48 PM (7fElN)
That was one of the many, many reasons I couldn't stand the Battlestar Galactica reboot.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at February 20, 2024 04:51 PM (T+Iwg)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:52 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:47 PM (mY5Rs)
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Watching 10 seconds of that movie was enough to make me nauseous. I can't stand "shakycam footage."
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 20, 2024 04:48 PM (7fElN)
It was an excellent monster that was tearing shit up though.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 20, 2024 04:52 PM (BdMk6)
'Tis a mystery. An enigma. I'm stumped.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 20, 2024 04:52 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: 18-1 at February 20, 2024 04:41
Clematis > Clemantis
Posted by: olddog in mo at February 20, 2024 04:52 PM (ju2Fy)
Posted by: DenverGregg at February 20, 2024 04:53 PM (ccqW3)
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:53 PM (mY5Rs)
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Good. I hope they do it again tomorrow.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at February 20, 2024 04:54 PM (woPEM)
Posted by: Billy Jeff Clinton at February 20, 2024 04:54 PM (9yWhg)
Other Guvz too, I'm sure.
It's a golden opportunity.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2024 04:49 PM (nFnyb)
_________________
I bet Abbott and DeSantis cheered when they heard that NYC was committing financial seppuku.
The Reds never grasp that people will respond to anything the Reds do so as to minimize its impact on those people. And wealthy people can move elsewhere with one phone call to Bekins. Adios, leftist pendejos!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 04:54 PM (YqDXo)
The belching vagina.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at February 20, 2024 04:54 PM (51phj)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 20, 2024 04:54 PM (YRsIm)
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
Best part of the movie was that, if you got bit by one of the little "lice" monsters that fell off the big one, you'd eventually just . . . explode.
Awesome.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:55 PM (mY5Rs)
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:50 PM (mY5Rs)
I think you're right.
Of course, the government just took my job, and as a direct result, I'm likely to lose custody of my kids, so that's at least two things off the list...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 20, 2024 04:55 PM (/nCD+)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:55 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 20, 2024 04:48 PM (7fElN)
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A Michael J. Fox production?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 04:55 PM (YqDXo)
seems like a thousand centuries ago
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 04:56 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Don Black at February 20, 2024 04:56 PM (geLO8)
There's going to be a run on squeegees. Invest now.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 20, 2024 04:56 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at February 20, 2024 04:57 PM (9yWhg)
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)
I read that to the tune of "Bette David Eyes"
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 04:58 PM (mY5Rs)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
Sorry to hear that. I hope you're able to weather the storm. I'll put you on my prayer list.
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 05:00 PM (mY5Rs)
This judge, who looks exactly like I would think a gay paedo serial killer would look like, KNOWS that Trump is clean.
The average pol would have thise 'judge's' extended family disemboweled already. Fvck, a Queens meter maid would have had that happen already. Your average amish sheep farner would have had this 'judge' who happens to look like a gay paedo serial killer run through a hog's intenstines for this shit.
THAT is how clean this 'Judge'KNOWS Trump is.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 20, 2024 05:00 PM (cOq4q)
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Which was an incredibly stupid thing to do, for exactly the reason you mentioned.
For my part, I'm getting allergic to black and female (and especially black female) politicians. The vast majority are catastrophically bad. I suspect Fani Willis, Marilyn Mosby, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Karen Bass, Maxine Waters, etc. are pretty much all of a type.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 20, 2024 05:01 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Cosda at February 20, 2024 05:02 PM (eG3kO)
Posted by: Sharkman at February 20, 2024 05:00 PM (mY5Rs)
I appreciate it. Things are tough now, but I'm confident that they'll work out eventually.
It's just a question of how long 'eventually' ends up being.
On the upside, I cashed out my TSP and now have - outside of the mortgage - no debt whatsoever, and enough money to make it several months.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 20, 2024 05:02 PM (/nCD+)
Everyone knows this is a Trump one off, and a lopsided Majority of New Yorkers absolutely love it.
Posted by: Benchmark at February 20, 2024 04:17 PM (TlsDT)
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Agree. Everyone’s 401k money goes straight to NYC for them to steal, excuse me, charge management fees. Trillions go through NYC and that free money they get to play with supports a lot NYC.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at February 20, 2024 05:04 PM (7SZ6O)
Maybe Elon will toss $50 mil or so into that GoFundMe.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 20, 2024 04:11 PM (T3es0)
I was just thinking about Elon. Trump has other properties OUTSIDE of NY, maybe Elon could get very good interest on loan terms against those properties...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 20, 2024 05:06 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: SMOD 2024 at February 20, 2024 05:26 PM (Y2NGV)
Posted by: Robert17 at February 20, 2024 06:09 PM (D0GHI)
THAT would strengthen the business climate in NY State.
Posted by: GWB at February 20, 2024 06:14 PM (32nmx)
Posted by: VAR1ABLE at February 20, 2024 08:02 PM (Is1d8)
And their enemies must be destroyed by the law, because the law of the Lord of the Flies is the law of New York.
All Hail the Lord of the Flies and his followers.
Posted by: Sally at February 20, 2024 08:55 PM (bXvrr)
Posted by: Beverly at February 20, 2024 09:29 PM (Epeb0)
… that perfectly fits the definition of a “bill of attainder”, forbidden by the US Constitution
Article I, Section 9, Clause 3:
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
Posted by: SMOD at February 20, 2024 09:29 PM (RovqD)
So I'm not so sure the size of the judgment prevents an appeal.
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They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)