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Elise Stfanik Calls January 6 Prisoners "Hostages," and Piggish Liz Cheney Snorts Her Way Through Another Feeding Trough of Outrage

Stefanik referred to the unjustly-imprisoned political prisoners as "hostages," and to show that she did not misspeak, she's posted the quote to her Twitter feed:

Deep State Cancel Pig Liz Cheney is, get this, making all sorts of noise she'll soon use for fundraising purposes.


Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) dug into Rep. Elise Stefanik's (R-N.Y.) labelling of Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol rioters sentenced to prison as "hostages," calling the New York Republican's word usage a "disgrace" and "outrageous."

Stefanik earlier Sunday told NBC News's "Meet the Press" she has "concerns about the treatment of January 6th hostages." The remark was reminiscent of former President Trump's rhetoric the previous day about those involved in the Capitol insurrection.

In an interview with Cheney, CBS News "Face the Nation" anchor Margaret Brennan noted how Stefanik's remarks echo the word Trump used to refer to the prisoners, to which Cheney said, "That's why she's using it."

"It's outrageous and it's disgusting," Cheney continued. "And if you ... go and you look at what individuals have been convicted for, who are incarcerated, you'll find it, you know, extensively, these are people who were involved in violence against police officers in the assault on the Capitol. And it is really disgraceful for Donald Trump be saying what he's saying and then for those who [are] attempting to enable him or attempting to further their own political careers [to] repeat it."

"It's a disgrace, and you cannot say you are a member of a party that believes in the rule of law, you cannot say you are pro-law enforcement if you then go out and you say these people are 'hostages,' it's disgraceful," Cheney added.

We believe in the equal application of law, not the two-tiered system of injustice this grotesque pig favors.

They're totally not political prisoners. You can tell they're not political prisoners the way that Democrat Media Establishment is running on a political program of nothing but the punishment of these political prisoners:

Meanwhile, this Representative claims there were 200 undercover agents and agents provocateurs encouraging people to enter the People's (LOL) House.


Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 02:23 PM




Comments

(Jump to bottom of comments)

1 Mind-blowing.
@RepClayHiggins
says "well over 200" FBI assets were involved in Jan 6 including some dressed as Trump supporters inside the building leading people to key locations in the Capitol.

Higgins is a former LEO and veteran--no chance he's making this up.


=====

😳

Posted by: runner at January 08, 2024 02:23 PM (V13WU)

2 hi

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 08, 2024 02:23 PM (f1kZG)

3 “I’ve seen the director of the FBI repeatedly assure the American people that the FBI were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on January 6,” Pence noted on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday.

“Frankly, I’m very grateful for the efforts of the FBI to bring nearly a thousand people to justice who ransacked our Capitol and did violence against police officers to that day,” he added, calling for the perpetrators to be held accountable.

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 02:24 PM (RHGPo)

4 and FIRST! PRIMO!

Posted by: runner at January 08, 2024 02:25 PM (V13WU)

5 ..and I read the post too !

Posted by: runner at January 08, 2024 02:25 PM (V13WU)

6 I thought the tapes proved that Liz Cheney was a lying, POS, tool.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 08, 2024 02:27 PM (JeYYB)

7 Ace, evening cafe candidate. Some ducks go for a walk...

http://tinyurl.com/49ww2pxh

Posted by: lost in space at January 08, 2024 02:27 PM (IpLVR)

8 “I’ve seen the director of the FBI repeatedly assure the American people that the FBI were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on January 6,” Pence noted on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday.


In on it. Guaranteed.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at January 08, 2024 02:28 PM (OUMaO)

9 maybe we went a smidge overboard... maybe

Posted by: Rays Epps at January 08, 2024 02:28 PM (ZV+pB)

10 Pretty sure there’s at least one guy who was arrested right after 1/6 and he’s still awaiting trial. 3 years in jail and no action. What’s a better word than hostage in this scenario?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 08, 2024 02:28 PM (Hkcdp)

11 Not that it will happen - but Wray needs to be drug into Congress for testimony and arrested during his testimony into the capital jail and not be charged for about 18 months.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 08, 2024 02:29 PM (GZYu7)

12 Whenever the media need a Republican to bash Trump or someone Trump-adjacent they trot out Liz Cheney.

Well, 'trot' is not quite the right word.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 08, 2024 02:30 PM (991eG)

13 these are people who were involved in violence against police officers in the assault on the Capitol

Dozens of police officers were injured during the 2020 riots in Portland.

I don't recall Pig Cheney demanding long sentences for the people who injured the cops.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 08, 2024 02:30 PM (YAtuc)

14 What’s a better word than hostage in this scenario?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 08, 2024 02:28 PM (Hkcdp)
---

Political prisoner. Of course that is two words...

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 08, 2024 02:31 PM (f1kZG)

15 Who, exactly, is Liz fundraising for?

Her own political career is gone--poof!

She has no chance of achieving elected office ever again. Well, not as a Republican. And the Democrats won't trust her because she's a turncoat.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 02:32 PM (7fElN)

16 Glad to see at least one Congresscritter calling this what it is.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 08, 2024 02:32 PM (bhRsz)

17 I don't recall Pig Cheney demanding long sentences for the people who injured the cops.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
---------
She thinks she is royalty and that lettres de cachet are a thing and lese majeste is a crime.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:32 PM (aYC4C)

18 Oh, please.

I've seen LEOs and veterans in government lie through their teeth so many f'in times I can't even begin to estimate the number.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 08, 2024 02:33 PM (0FoWg)

19 Matter of time they start using prisoners for slave labor, once they have thousands of mouths to feed they will.

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2024 02:33 PM (fwDg9)

20 Miss Piggy>>>>>Luz Cheney

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2024 02:33 PM (FQmDC)

21 What’s a better word than hostage in this scenario?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 08, 2024 02:28 PM (Hkcdp)
---

Political prisoner. Of course that is two words...
Posted by: Darth Randall at January 08, 2024 02:31 PM (f1kZG)
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"Object Lesson." Oh, wait. That's also two words...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 02:33 PM (7fElN)

22 Does Lez Cheney actually think anyone gives a flying fuck about what comes out of her carpetbagging cake hole?

Shut up and go away already.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2024 02:33 PM (Edu7X)

23 Higgins is a former LEO and veteran--no chance he's making this up.

========

Yeah, there's a chance. Argument by authority, and all.

Still, I'm inclined to believe him mostly because Chris Wray has repeatedly refused to comment on the matter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:33 PM (GBKbO)

24 I wonder how Liz feels about all her committee work just seemed to evaporate, magically.

I think she needs to see the inside of some prison walls herself. This is getting kind of ridiculous.

Of course this is all wishful thinking. And Pence keeps doing a fine job of making more enemies for himself. He knows there weren't a thousand people tearing up the capital. He knows, unlike our summer of antifa/blm love mostly peaceful protests, that these actually were mostly peaceful protests, and not very protesty-ish by the way.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 08, 2024 02:34 PM (GZYu7)

25 15 Who, exactly, is Liz fundraising for?

Her own political career is gone--poof!

She has no chance of achieving elected office ever again. Well, not as a Republican. And the Democrats won't trust her because she's a turncoat.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

A) she is fundraising for herself
B) idiots giving her money are anti Trump anti American anyway
C) voters are like "whose bitch this is"

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:34 PM (aYC4C)

26 "It's outrageous and it's disgusting," Cheney continued.

*******

Preposterous, obstreperous, and egregious!" Jackie Chiles added.

Posted by: Muldoon at January 08, 2024 02:34 PM (991eG)

27 Pence can go fuck himself with a pineapple, sideways

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2024 02:34 PM (FQmDC)

28 going all the way to try to preserve their Precious Narrative even as it crumbles away in their hands because they've got nothing else to run on.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (WsTvr)

29 J6. That's all they've got.
Am I wrong?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (MeG8a)

30 Thunderstorms starting here.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (4I/2K)

31 Liz Cheney is a Republican.

Posted by: JCG at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (WiKqj)

32 25 A) she is fundraising for herself
B) idiots giving her money are anti Trump anti American anyway
C) voters are like "whose bitch this is"
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:34 PM (aYC4C)

========

I presume there are some small dollar donors, but I also presume that it's mostly people like the remaining Koch brother who are completely delusional into thinking that the GOP would return to 2003 as soon as they get rid of the wrecker and hoarder Donald Trump.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (GBKbO)

33 What’s a better word than hostage in this scenario?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 08, 2024 02:28 PM (Hkcdp)
---

Political prisoner. Of course that is two words...
Posted by: Darth Randall at January 08, 2024 02:31 PM (f1kZG)
---
"Object Lesson." Oh, wait. That's also two words...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 02:33 PM (7fElN)


I'd say "victims," but someone might think I was referring to the politicians who felt a bit threatened for a minute or two.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (bhRsz)

34 Pretty sure there’s at least one guy who was arrested right after 1/6 and he’s still awaiting trial. 3 years in jail and no action. What’s a better word than hostage in this scenario?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 08, 2024

***
Les Miserables

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (J2vNu)

35 "Object Lesson." Oh, wait. That's also two words...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 02:33 PM (7fElN)
---


Ha! Nice one, or should I say nice two?

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (f1kZG)

36 "I've seen the director of the FBI repeatedly assure the American people that the FBI were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on January 6," Pence noted on CNN’s "State of the Union" on Sunday.

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 02:24 PM (RHGPo)

Pence gladly and publicly takes the word of a man who repeatedly could not produce documents and figures from the agency he heads about something that happened three years ago. Quintessential foolishness.

Posted by: pookysgirl thinks that Proverbs should get wider reading at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (dtlDP)

37 Of course this is all wishful thinking. And Pence keeps doing a fine job of making more enemies for himself. He knows there weren't a thousand people tearing up the capital. He knows, unlike our summer of antifa/blm love mostly peaceful protests, that these actually were mostly peaceful protests, and not very protesty-ish by the way.
Posted by: Black JEM
--------
Once you pay the Danegeld, the Dane never goes away. Pence has firmly attached his smacker to Pelosi's ass over this and the consequences are clear--he can never stop lying about it.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (aYC4C)

38 “Frankly, I’m very grateful for the efforts of the FBI to bring nearly a thousand people to justice who ransacked our Capitol and did violence against police officers to that day,” he added, calling for the perpetrators to be held accountable.
______

Did the thousand that were sentenced all do 'violence' against police and/or 'ransack' our Capitol? Buffalo Guy at least didn't, probably hundreds of those sentenced did nothing more than walk into the restricted areas and take pics. F*ck you Pence.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 08, 2024 02:36 PM (fs1hN)

39 Liz will sniff out that truffle one day.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 08, 2024 02:36 PM (R4t5M)

40 29 J6. That's all they've got.
Am I wrong?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (MeG8a)

========

They don't need an argument for voters.

They need an excuse why Philly and Baltimore have 110% turnout, especially from mail in voting.

They need a narrative.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:36 PM (GBKbO)

41 I don't think Pig Liz is just covering for her corrupt father.

I think she must have spent time on the island. Or the New Mexico ranch, where she'd feel more at home with the barn animals.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:36 PM (dGCAG)

42 In the interview with Stefanik, anyone on our side of the fence, when told that Trump lost 60 court cases after the 2020 election, should be ready with expressing that this was a case of the judiciary refusing to get involved. Wonder why! Those cases were never heard, so how could anyone lose? The video looked edited, so I hope that she countered that lie.

Posted by: Dino58 at January 08, 2024 02:36 PM (LVPff)

43 ALX @alx 19h
Former Vice President Mike Pence on alleged FBI involvement in J6 “I've heard the repeated assurances from the FBI that they were not involved, and I take them at their word.”
The Post Millennial

http://tinyurl.com/2t9xy3k2
1:23 minutes

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 02:37 PM (2yu8s)

44 BLM Violence: Hooray

Capitol parading: boooo

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 02:37 PM (bWsRe)

45 All it took was the tears of AOC to get these hostages. No paragliders, rockets, beheadings, none of that stuff. Whether it's about political prisoners, or injection mandates, or whatever, our hyperemotional, thoroughly womanish society can be effectively bullied into anything when the harpies start shrieking.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 08, 2024 02:37 PM (0FoWg)

46 They don't need an argument for voters.

They need an excuse why Philly and Baltimore have 110% turnout, especially from mail in voting.

They need a narrative.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:36 PM (GBKbO)

We must burn the democracy, to save "our democracy."

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (dGCAG)

47 Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of humanity... That state is obsolete.

Posted by: J6 Prisoners at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (Edu7X)

48 "That'll do, Pig."

/Farmer Hoggett

Posted by: Muldoon at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (991eG)

49 There has been a great deal of argument about this on Twitter recently, in which Julie Kelly has been involved: after the J6 protests took place, but before Trump left office, could he have issued a blanket pardon to all the people arrested? Should he?

Obviously a lot weren't charged until after Biden's "inauguration," but I'm talking about the ones who were.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (bhRsz)

50 I liked Scott Adams comments this morning that the American citizenry should always be ready to oppose the oppressive state with violence. That’s why we have the 2nd amendment and also the reason the state hates the 2nd amendment.

Posted by: Oglebay at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (ogTiX)

51 43 ALX @alx 19h
Former Vice President Mike Pence on alleged FBI involvement in J6 “I've heard the repeated assurances from the FBI that they were not involved, and I take them at their word.”
The Post Millennial

http://tinyurl.com/2t9xy3k2
1:23 minutes
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 02:37 PM (2yu8s)

========

Argument by authority. If you no longer believe the authority, how is it supposed to convince?

Oh, he's not talking to me. He's talking to establishment hungry dullards.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (GBKbO)

52 They need an excuse why Philly and Baltimore have 110% turnout
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:36 PM (GBKbO)


MISINFORMATION!!!!

It's actually only 103%.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (bWsRe)

53 "It's outrageous and it's disgusting," Cheney continued.

Liz you ignorant slut...

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 08, 2024 02:39 PM (bving)

54 Pence is either stupid or in on it.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 02:39 PM (bWsRe)

55 I presume there are some small dollar donors, but I also presume that it's mostly people like the remaining Koch brother who are completely delusional into thinking that the GOP would return to 2003 as soon as they get rid of the wrecker and hoarder Donald Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
------
Actually, it appears that a lot of those small donors may be illegally funnelled from China if the Act Blue scandal is accurate.

The GOP donor class is far more leftist than the party base and loves them some GWB "Invade the World, Invite the World."

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:39 PM (aYC4C)

56 Once you pay the Danegeld, the Dane never goes away. Pence has firmly attached his smacker to Pelosi's ass over this and the consequences are clear--he can never stop lying about it.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (aYC4C)
==
I've met him a few times, and know people who know him who say his religious persona is real, it's not an act. So I wonder how he feels about breaking the Commandment on bearing false witness?

Posted by: Black JEM at January 08, 2024 02:39 PM (GZYu7)

57 52 MISINFORMATION!!!!

It's actually only 103%.
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (bWsRe)

========

I bet an accurate census and voter roll would show it at something like 200%.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:39 PM (GBKbO)

58 Your little friend in Florida doesn't like them either. Mor does Nimrata

Posted by: GOP sux at January 08, 2024 02:39 PM (nVO1c)

59 "I'd say "victims," but someone might think I was referring to the politicians who felt a bit threatened for a minute or two.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 08, 2024 02:35 PM (bhRsz) "

"the wicked flee when no man pursueth", innit?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at January 08, 2024 02:40 PM (WsTvr)

60 Liz Cheney makes a Super PAC of one

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 08, 2024 02:40 PM (ZV+pB)

61 I bet an accurate census and voter roll would show it at something like 200%.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:39 PM (GBKbO)

Accurate data and math is a racist tool of the patriarchy.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 02:40 PM (bWsRe)

62 “I’ve seen the director of the FBI repeatedly assure the American people that the FBI were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on January 6,” Pence noted on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday.

We should place the same amount of trust in the FBI as we have for those that vouch for them (i.e. the FBI)

Posted by: Simple Stevo at January 08, 2024 02:40 PM (Dgo06)

63 I prefer to look at the J6 Prisoners as being punished for not taking this seriously.
If you are going to insurrect you'd better darn well do it.

This is what half measures gets you...

Posted by: Inogame at January 08, 2024 02:40 PM (53oGX)

64 Former Vice President Mike Pence on alleged FBI involvement in J6 “I've heard the repeated assurances from the FBI that they were not involved, and I take them at their word.”
The Post Millennial

http://tinyurl.com/2t9xy3k2
1:23 minutes
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 02:37 PM (2yu8s)

Here, lemme translate that from Pence into English: "I've heard repeated assurances from the FBI they won't release the tapes of me banging men and boys, and I take them at their word."

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:40 PM (dGCAG)

65 The Vandals - Rome
The Normans - Rome
The Visigoths - Rome
The Ostrogoths - Rome
Grandma Evelyn - US Capital


Name five notable sackings.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 02:40 PM (4I/2K)

66 61 I bet an accurate census and voter roll would show it at something like 200%.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:39 PM (GBKbO)

Accurate data and math is a racist tool of the patriarchy.
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 02:40 PM (bWsRe)

========

But blacks definitely vote at 90-10% for Democrats.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:41 PM (GBKbO)

67 To reprise my earlier comment:

Rep. Clay Higgins (LA) was most impressive -- I just wish he talked a little faster.

I couldn't help but imagine an SNL a Kyle Dunnigan skit with him and Jim Jordan having a conversation.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 02:41 PM (kE+/4)

68 "I've seen the director of the FBI repeatedly assure the American people that the FBI were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on January 6," Pence noted on CNN’s "State of the Union" on Sunday.

Former Vice President Mike Pence on alleged FBI involvement in J6 “I've heard the repeated assurances from the FBI that they were not involved, and I take them at their word.”

H has no problem discounting the witnesses, documents, and video to the contrary.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 08, 2024 02:41 PM (dZVON)

69 Uniparty IS the insurrection.

Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Do Not Kill at January 08, 2024 02:41 PM (gxokI)

70 The only way Liz learns a lesson is if something violent happens to her. Insane Trust Fund Babies are all the same.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 02:41 PM (Kdi1r)

71 Mike Pence, the answer to the question, "Who is the most sanctimonious, two-faced, limp dick, sell out, no one wants around anymore?

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 08, 2024 02:41 PM (JeYYB)

72 I found it interesting that Vivek would pardon the J6'ers and Assage.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 08, 2024 02:41 PM (L8hCM)

73 68 He has no problem discounting the witnesses, documents, and video to the contrary.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 08, 2024 02:41 PM (dZVON)

========

Because he is an unthinking tool who does what he's told by his betters.

His betters are those that run the FBI.

And he wanted to be the GOP nominee for president.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:42 PM (GBKbO)

74 Does anyone know what’s up with the January 6 Prison Choir web site? j6prisonchoir.com resolves, but there doesn’t appear to be a web site on the other end. It looks like a cloudfare site.

Normally, I’d just assume they’d been deplatformed, but it’s probably difficult to run a web site in a DC prison.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 08, 2024 02:42 PM (EXyHK)

75 If I didn't know any better, I'd say that Stefanik is throwing her hat in the ring to compete for a VP spot under Trump.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 08, 2024 02:42 PM (jbsaf)

76 The Minneapolis Star Tribune, left wing propaganda paper, is embarking on a course of strengthening their independent voice by "positioning [themselves] to access funding from philanthropic sources, a growing trend in journalism.

Wut?

The Star Tribune might as well have written, "We will expand on being fake independent journalists by becoming whores for left wing bribes."

http://tinyurl.com/mpbyp6uk

Posted by: lost in space at January 08, 2024 02:42 PM (IpLVR)

77 49 There has been a great deal of argument about this on Twitter recently, in which Julie Kelly has been involved: after the J6 protests took place, but before Trump left office, could he have issued a blanket pardon to all the people arrested? Should he?

Obviously a lot weren't charged until after Biden's "inauguration," but I'm talking about the ones who were.
Posted by: Dr. T

Legally, pardons were generally for specified criminal offenses but occasionally like the Nixon pardon or the Carter amnesty, must have specificity in either the person or the offenses.

But, you also have an entire DOJ apparatus to run pardons through and they were not going to approve it and simply would delay for time. It probably would have also been included as an article of impeachment had he done it.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:42 PM (aYC4C)

78 Pence is an IC cock gobbler.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 08, 2024 02:43 PM (R4t5M)

79 I've met him a few times, and know people who know him who say his religious persona is real, it's not an act. So I wonder how he feels about breaking the Commandment on bearing false witness?

From the way he's worded his statements he's set himself up to be able to say they lied to him. More or less relying on a technicality.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 08, 2024 02:43 PM (dZVON)

80 hostage /hŏs′tĭj/
noun
1. A person held by one party in a conflict as security that specified terms will be met by the opposing party.

2. One that serves as security against an implied threat

Posted by: Muldoon at January 08, 2024 02:43 PM (991eG)

81 I prefer to look at the J6 Prisoners as being punished for not taking this seriously.
If you are going to insurrect you'd better darn well do it.

This is what half measures gets you...
Posted by: Inogame at January 08, 2024 02:40 PM (53oGX)


Assuming any of them went to DC that day intending to "insurrect," which is a fairly hefty assumption.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 08, 2024 02:43 PM (bhRsz)

82 I liked Scott Adams comments this morning that the American citizenry should always be ready to oppose the oppressive state with violence. That’s why we have the 2nd amendment and also the reason the state hates the 2nd amendment.
Posted by: Oglebay at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (ogTiX)

Scott Adams has not yet admitted he was wrong to trust the "oppressive state" when it came to Covid lockdowns, and mandating "vaccines."

Until he does, he's just another useless douche.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:43 PM (dGCAG)

83 Here, lemme translate that from Pence into English: "I've heard repeated assurances from the FBI they won't release the tapes of me banging men and boys, and I take them at their word."
Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:40 PM (dGCAG)

------

hhhahhahah, You are most likely correct, Sir.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 08, 2024 02:43 PM (JeYYB)

84 "Cancel Pig"?
Moi?

Posted by: Miss Piggy a/k/a Liz Cheney at January 08, 2024 02:43 PM (xttsV)

85 Pence is an IC cock gobbler.

Time to start looking at how often he meets with men without a chaperone?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 08, 2024 02:44 PM (EXyHK)

86 Never forget about AOC dying.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 08, 2024 02:44 PM (n2Iei)

87 I've met him a few times, and know people who know him who say his religious persona is real, it's not an act. So I wonder how he feels about breaking the Commandment on bearing false witness?
Posted by: Black JEM at January 08, 2024 02:39 PM (GZYu7)

Stupid and Evil comes in many forms, and Judas Pence is both. I don't GAS about his supposed McChristianity persona, he's a Judas for many reasons.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at January 08, 2024 02:44 PM (wBh67)

88 Mind-blowing. @RepClayHiggins says "well over 200" FBI assets were involved in Jan 6 including some dressed as Trump supporters inside the building leading people to key locations in the Capitol.


First: Any claim there were federal agents at the Jan 6 riots is a lie. A complete and utter lie!

Then: So there were a few federal agents at the Jan 6 riots but they were just there monitoring the situation

Finally: So most of the people doing bad stuff and the people who coordinated were federal agents. That doesn't change that you had people parading in the People's House. And if that isn't a crime worthy of a long prison term I don't know what is!

Posted by: Sec Austin's Jamacian boyfriend at January 08, 2024 02:44 PM (ibTVg)

89 We're looking into this matter - Mike Johnson

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 08, 2024 02:45 PM (eYF7X)

90 Time to start looking at how often he meets with men without a chaperone?
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair

Wouldn't hurt.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 08, 2024 02:45 PM (R4t5M)

91 I found it interesting that Vivek would pardon the J6'ers and Assage.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 08, 2024 02:41 PM (L8hCM)

Does it surprise you? I'd be curious why. He's been quite clear on this.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:45 PM (dGCAG)

92 Insane Clown Posse >> Insane Trust Fund Babies

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at January 08, 2024 02:45 PM (xYckV)

93 I've met him a few times, and know people who know him who say his religious persona is real, it's not an act. So I wonder how he feels about breaking the Commandment on bearing false witness?
Posted by: Black JEM
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I would say his prior cowardice over the RFRA in Indiana as governor is a pretty good indication that he is a phoney despite his mouthing various pieties. Take a look sometime at how his family lost a fortune and why. Not particularly savory.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:46 PM (aYC4C)

94 From the way he's worded his statements he's set himself up to be able to say they lied to him. More or less relying on a technicality.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 08, 2024 02:43 PM (dZVON)
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Last I heard, the Almighty isn't one for "parsing" words to say you aren't sinning. Seems like there are ton of gospel stories about the Jewish leadership "parsing" words. Jesus never seems to have ever accepted that as I remember.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 08, 2024 02:46 PM (GZYu7)

95 Obviously a lot weren't charged until after Biden's "inauguration," but I'm talking about the ones who were.

You can do blanket pardons.

Carter pardoned all the Vietnam-era draft dodgers, whether they had been charged or not.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 08, 2024 02:46 PM (YAtuc)

96 Mike Pence thinks that hearing the FBI say they are innocent is good enough for him is beyond laughable.

Does he think we are effing dumbasses.

That's like being assured repeatedly by Bill Clinton that he wasn't banging someone in his office and thinking "That's good enough for me!" Defying common sense and all the rumors on Capital Hill and seeing Hillary Clinton even once.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 08, 2024 02:46 PM (JeYYB)

97 Time to start looking at how often he meets with men without a chaperone?

As a severe, much more serious then you, Christian, I know the Bible says enjoying ladypenis is not cheating.

Posted by: Mike Pence at January 08, 2024 02:46 PM (ibTVg)

98 Chaos as Biden's speech is derailed by pro-Palestinian protesters chanting 'ceasefire now': President, 81, tells them he is working to get Israel 'OUT' of Gaza from pulpit of South Carolina black church

Posted by: Don Black at January 08, 2024 02:47 PM (geLO8)

99 Time to start looking at how often he meets with men without a chaperone?
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair

Wouldn't hurt.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 08, 2024 02:45 PM (R4t5M)

Says you. Pence makes it hurt so good.

Posted by: Bishop T.D. Jakes, Powerbottom at January 08, 2024 02:47 PM (4I/2K)

100 Assuming any of them went to DC that day intending to "insurrect," which is a fairly hefty assumption.

I certainly didn’t. It was purely a show of support both for Trump and for any reps who might have had the courage to ask for an investigation of election fraud.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 08, 2024 02:47 PM (EXyHK)

101 Carter pardoned all the Vietnam-era draft dodgers, whether they had been charged or not.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 08, 2024 02:46 PM (YAtuc)
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OTOH, there wasn't much interest in pursuing them by that time.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at January 08, 2024 02:48 PM (xYckV)

102 I was recovering from Hemmeroid Surgery at Epstein's Island. So ... Nothing to see here ...........

Posted by: Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin at January 08, 2024 02:48 PM (15lwl)

103 75 If I didn't know any better, I'd say that Stefanik is throwing her hat in the ring to compete for a VP spot under Trump.
Posted by: Darrell Harris

Possible. Probably won't know until much later this year if Trump is even on the ballot (I think he wins the Scotus case but the various legal shenanigans give the Deep State multiple avenues for attacking him.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:48 PM (aYC4C)

104 So I wonder how he feels about breaking the Commandment on bearing false witness?
Posted by: Black JEM

It’s not a lie if you believe it …


Which sadly applies to many persons other than Pence.

Posted by: Adriane the Not Sarcastic, Nope, Nope, Nope Critic . . . at January 08, 2024 02:48 PM (4Winp)

105 Grandma Evelyn - US Capital
Name five notable sackings.
Posted by: Count de Monet

******

That barbarian!!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 08, 2024 02:48 PM (991eG)

106
That's like being assured repeatedly by Bill Clinton that he wasn't banging someone in his office and thinking "That's good enough for me!" Defying common sense and all the rumors on Capital Hill and seeing Hillary Clinton even once.

The left does this all the time. Clinton, or other leftists, will be caught dead to rights committing some crime. A leftist talking head will ask the criminal if in fact he is a criminal and when the criminal says "no" the left all collectively started claiming the criminality has been disproved.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2024 02:48 PM (ibTVg)

107 Is there any talk about Stefanik being Trump's VP candidate? I'm not advocating for the idea, just asking if the idea is already out there.

Posted by: Muad'dib at January 08, 2024 02:48 PM (sjdRT)

108 "I have concerns about the treatment of January 6 hostages." - Elise Stefanik

Damn. Elsie cuts through the left wing BS like a blow torch hitting an ice cube. More please.

Posted by: lost in space at January 08, 2024 02:48 PM (IpLVR)

109 1) It didn't happen.

2) It happened, but in a small way, so it didn't affect anything.

3) It happened, but in a moderate way, so it didn't affect anything significant.

4) It happened, and it's good that it happened.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 08, 2024 02:49 PM (YAtuc)

110 I would say his prior cowardice over the RFRA in Indiana as governor is a pretty good indication that he is a phoney despite his mouthing various pieties. Take a look sometime at how his family lost a fortune and why. Not particularly savory.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:46 PM (aYC4C)

------

I second this.

And regardless, how does just seeing him prove he's not putting on a performance??

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 08, 2024 02:49 PM (JeYYB)

111 That swollen nepot will ride off into the sunset with millions more dollars of campaign donations to add to her heap of ill-gotten blood money. But nothing is ever enough for DC's avaricious power demons.

So she'll get a cable show, or just go on heavy rotation doing overcompensated network hits. Very heavy. She'll blast right through the hors d'oeuvre budget CNN freed up when they sent Stelter out to pasture, then rumble on to a sound stage to explain why anyone who doesn't hail from our hereditary nomenklatura is a repulsive criminal who should be buried underneath the jail.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (0FoWg)

112 98 Chaos as Biden's speech is derailed by pro-Palestinian protesters chanting 'ceasefire now': President, 81, tells them he is working to get Israel 'OUT' of Gaza from pulpit of South Carolina black church

Posted by: Don Black at January 08, 2024 02:47 PM (geLO


Of course they want a "cease fire". I predicted that last week.

Posted by: vic at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (A5THL)

113 I would say his prior cowardice over the RFRA in Indiana as governor is a pretty good indication that he is a phoney despite his mouthing various pieties. Take a look sometime at how his family lost a fortune and why. Not particularly savory.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:46 PM (aYC4C)
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Oh I had forgotten about that one. Yeah, that ended his chances at being governor for a second term. He leapt at the chance to be Trumps running mate.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (GZYu7)

114 Liz Cheney herself, while still serving on Pelosi's J6 inquisition committee said that not only Trump, but his supporters needed to face justice for the InSuRreCtIoN. Not "just" his political supporters either.

She speaks for a large percentage of the GOP and all of the Democrats.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (Q4IgG)

115 >>107 Is there any talk about Stefanik being Trump's VP candidate? I'm not advocating for the idea, just asking if the idea is already out there.
Posted by: Muad'dib

He could put her in charge of building the new FIB complex in downtown DC like he said he wants to build.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (eYF7X)

116 Name five notable sackings.
Posted by: Count de Monet

***

Lawrence Taylors sacking of Joe Theisman comes to mind...

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (ZV+pB)

117 The Peregine mission to the Moon that launched this morning is experiencing a major loss of propellant. Look like it going to be another piece of space junk.

Posted by: pawn at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (ebChx)

118 If they were hostages, there'd be a possibility of negotiations to get them released. There isn't. They're political prisoners. To have either hostages or political prisoners is a disgrace that an actual pluralistic republic that embraces blind justice would not tolerate.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (wzAuc)

119 Possible. Probably won't know until much later this year if Trump is even on the ballot (I think he wins the Scotus case but the various legal shenanigans give the Deep State multiple avenues for attacking him.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:48 PM (aYC4C)

Time is running out on keeping him "off the ballots" of the states he'll need to secure the nomination. Then the question is, what shenanigans will they use, after he's secured it, to have his delegates deemed ineligible, and/or have him removed after he's been nominated by the party.

I don't think the current efforts will be enough to stop him. They have to escalate.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (dGCAG)

120 Still not sure how Trump, as president on Jan 6 can lead n insurrection against HIS government.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (bWsRe)

121 "It's outrageous and it's disgusting," Cheney continued. "And if you ... go and you look at what individuals have been convicted for, who are incarcerated, you'll find it, you know, extensively, these are people who were involved in violence ...."

Are you talking about "jailed for minor Marijuana possession" cause celebre?

No, you wouldn't dare speak truth, only lies.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 08, 2024 02:51 PM (TzW+Y)

122 Surprised that he mentions Assage. Most don't.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 08, 2024 02:51 PM (L8hCM)

123 I liked Scott Adams comments this morning that the American citizenry should always be ready to oppose the oppressive state with violence. That’s why we have the 2nd amendment and also the reason the state hates the 2nd amendment.
Posted by: Oglebay at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (ogTiX)


The problem I have with comments like that is the people making them rarely think beyond the moment of opposition itself. If you use violence against an oppressive state agency, even if you win in the moment, it's going to double down and bring ten times as much force against you the next day. Shoot at FBI agents? They'll come back at you with the military, which has a lot more toys than you do.

Not saying we shouldn't stand up to oppression; but as others have already said, if you're going to go that route, no half measures.

Posted by: Dr. T at January 08, 2024 02:51 PM (bhRsz)

124 You can do blanket pardons. Carter pardoned all the Vietnam-era draft dodgers, whether they had been charged or not.

This was not the kind of blanket pardon the January 6 defendants would need. While it didn’t specify people, it did specify a crime.

What crime do you specify for January 6? Before January 20, most of the crimes were for “Deadly or Dangerous Weapons”.

Seriously, how would you word the “blanket pardon” based only on what happened before January 20?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 08, 2024 02:51 PM (EXyHK)

125 They had a cease fire. They broke it Oct. 7, 2023.
Once you decide to dance with the gorilla you don't get to choose when the dance ends.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 08, 2024 02:51 PM (MeG8a)

126 I standby my decision to call in Air Strikes on Trump's House because he is a Threat to the Earth and supports more Global Warming....

Posted by: Acting Defense Secretary AOC at January 08, 2024 02:52 PM (15lwl)

127 She'll blast right through the hors d'oeuvre budget CNN freed up when they sent Stelter out to pasture,
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So *that's* what happened to the dill pickle flavored Kettle Chips!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at January 08, 2024 02:52 PM (xYckV)

128 Lawrence Taylors sacking of Joe Theisman comes to mind...
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (ZV+pB)

Could not walk that one off.

Posted by: Joe Theisman at January 08, 2024 02:52 PM (4I/2K)

129 "“I’ve seen the director of the FBI repeatedly assure the American people that the FBI were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on January 6,” Pence noted on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday."

Wray (and Pence) parses his words carefully, and misdirects, and obfuscates ... when he is not outright lying.

So it was ? the CIA, or the WH, or others not affiliated with MAGA (except for the hats they wore that day).

Posted by: illiniwek at January 08, 2024 02:52 PM (Cus5s)

130 101 Carter pardoned all the Vietnam-era draft dodgers, whether they had been charged or not.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

That was for a specific charge affecting a specified group of people. In Jan 6th, the Deep State had a variety of charges they could have used. From the obstruction of govt proceedings, to parading, assault, battery, criminal trespass, etc. I also think that the event would have resulted in the pardons being ignored at best perhaps even overturned at the Scotus level at worst.

Good example of how the fedgov uses vague laws to overcharge individuals to make them take plea deals.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:52 PM (aYC4C)

131 It is amusing to think of a debate between Kamel-toe and Stefanik.

Kamel-toe would spend a lot of time telling us insurrecting is like uh like uh...you know...uh...like bad. You know?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2024 02:53 PM (ibTVg)

132 Good example of how the fedgov uses vague laws to overcharge individuals to make them take plea deals.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:52 PM (aYC4C)

Show me the man, I'll show you a crime.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 02:53 PM (bWsRe)

133 49 There has been a great deal of argument about this on Twitter recently, in which Julie Kelly has been involved: after the J6 protests took place, but before Trump left office, could he have issued a blanket pardon to all the people arrested? Should he?

Obviously a lot weren't charged until after Biden's "inauguration," but I'm talking about the ones who were.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (bhRsz)

Because hindsight is 20/20.
At the time, it was unclear whom was in the capital, was it ANTIFA dressed as MAGA?
There was also a ton of other stuff going on in those two weeks.
I feel like that expectation isn't realistic.
Also, Trump had been very consistent in his belief in the US constitution and rule of law. It's possible even if he did know that innocent would be prosecuted they would be acquitted, if prosecuted at all. (complete speculation on my part)

Posted by: Inogame at January 08, 2024 02:53 PM (53oGX)

134 Name five notable sackings.
Posted by: Count de Monet

***

The Visigoths helping themselves to Rome is also notable

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 08, 2024 02:53 PM (ZV+pB)

135 When you consider that most major cities now routinely release violent criminals after processing, it is outrageous someone who walked into the Capitol is jailed without trial or bail.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 08, 2024 02:53 PM (Hkcdp)

136 Dear Mr Pence....

Shut the fuck up. You're A despicable pile of rancid stains and no one with a brain gives a crooked shit about you or your words. Go fuck yourself with a rotting coconut and don't forget to light it on fire first.

Regards
Mayhem

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 08, 2024 02:53 PM (cRrcX)

137 Seriously, how would you word the “blanket pardon” based only on what happened before January 20?
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Cut all funding for the DOJ.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (pZ64F)

138 But, you also have an entire DOJ apparatus to run pardons through and they were not going to approve it and simply would delay for time. It probably would have also been included as an article of impeachment had he done it.
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The main problem with a blanket pardon is that creeps like Epps would have been included. There wasn't enough time to sift through the individual cases.

I don't think DOJ approval is required.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (ji3Wy)

139 Time is running out on keeping him "off the ballots" of the states he'll need to secure the nomination. Then the question is, what shenanigans will they use, after he's secured it, to have his delegates deemed ineligible, and/or have him removed after he's been nominated by the party.

I don't think the current efforts will be enough to stop him. They have to escalate.
Posted by: BurtTC
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I simply don't know and neither does anyone outside of the Biden junta how far they will go. Then there is the stray voltage affecting nutballs to try to assassinate him along with state actors like Iran or China that would be glad to help them.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (aYC4C)

140 So I wonder how he feels about breaking the Commandment on bearing false witness?
Posted by: Black JEM at January 08, 2024 02:39 PM (GZYu7)

it's not a lie if you believe it...

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (bving)

141 Meta Platforms (META) CEO Mark Zuckerberg sold nearly 1.28 million shares for about $428 million in the last two months of 2023, a regulatory filing showed. It’s the first time Zuckerberg has sold Meta shares since November 2021, with the company’s share price growing 194% since then. Shares of Meta edged about 0.3% higher in the pre-market.

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (RHGPo)

142 Lawrence Taylors sacking of Joe Theisman comes to mind...

Then: Ewww....look at that bone on the field. That's gotta hurt and he's gonna need medical attention.

Now: Look at that bone on the field. LOVE IS LOVE. Especially if you have to go the hospital for a torn rectum over it.

Posted by: NFL broadcasters at January 08, 2024 02:55 PM (ibTVg)

143
Pence is just happy the files the FBI pounced and seized when they took Trump's illegal Maralargo blackmail sacred federal property and Biden's unimportant garage files didn't identify him as Indianapolis' "Mac Daddy Race Bannon Pimp King."

He looks and acts like a FBI / SS goon to start with so what's the surprise?

The fault is Trump's for putting him on the ticket.

Posted by: Auspex at January 08, 2024 02:55 PM (j4U/Z)

144 Still not sure how Trump, as president on Jan 6 can lead n insurrection against HIS government.
Posted by: Montec
_____________

Never thought of that before. Seems like a valid point.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 08, 2024 02:55 PM (Dm8we)

145 139 I simply don't know and neither does anyone outside of the Biden junta how far they will go. Then there is the stray voltage affecting nutballs to try to assassinate him along with state actors like Iran or China that would be glad to help them.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (aYC4C)

========

I want the PA governor and SoS to announce that they simply will not count ballots outside of Philly and Pittsburg because they can't trust the procedures in Trump-loving areas.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 02:56 PM (GBKbO)

146 Biden's handlers will be passing out pardons like "Palestinians" on October 7th just before he leaves.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at January 08, 2024 02:56 PM (ji3Wy)

147 Is there any talk about Stefanik being Trump's VP candidate? I'm not advocating for the idea, just asking if the idea is already out there.
Posted by: Muad'dib

Some names I have heard being speculated about are Rep. Elsie Stefanik, Gov. Noem, and Lee Zeldin.

Posted by: lost in space at January 08, 2024 02:56 PM (IpLVR)

148 Anyone with half a brain saw the Jan 6 set up coming from a million miles away. I wasn’t the only one here warning of it weeks before the rally.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 08, 2024 02:56 PM (MNhXM)

149 I simply don't know and neither does anyone outside of the Biden junta how far they will go. Then there is the stray voltage affecting nutballs to try to assassinate him along with state actors like Iran or China that would be glad to help them.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (aYC4C)

Assassination of Presidents and candidates is our CIA's specialty. And yes, I do believe it's on the table.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:57 PM (dGCAG)

150 Passing out pardons like "Palestinians" were passing out candy on October 7th. Grrr.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at January 08, 2024 02:57 PM (ji3Wy)

151 I don't think DOJ approval is required.
Posted by: Midnight Rambler

There is a formal process just like for declassification. Technically, such things are unconstitutional but the Deep State, for example in the Dreamer case before Scotus, made it all about the intent of the President when he did something rather than the legal requirements (the Constitution in this case).

Billy Jeff Clinton relied on sleazebag creep DOJ acting chief Eric Holder to approve the Marc Rich pardon using that exact process. That way Billy Jeff kept plausible deniability that Denise Rich's gifts to his foundation had nothing to do with the pardon.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:57 PM (aYC4C)

152 Biden's handlers will be passing out pardons… on October 7th just before he leaves.

You know something we don’t?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 08, 2024 02:57 PM (EXyHK)

153 The Peregine mission to the Moon that launched this morning is experiencing a major loss of propellant. Look like it going to be another piece of space junk.
Posted by: pawn at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (ebChx)

that's the nasa mission isn't it? really gives one hope for the aretimis mission.... -_-

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 08, 2024 02:58 PM (bving)

154 50 I liked Scott Adams comments this morning that the American citizenry should always be ready to oppose the oppressive state with violence. That’s why we have the 2nd amendment and also the reason the state hates the 2nd amendment.
Posted by: Oglebay at January 08, 2024 02:38 PM (ogTiX)

———

Can’t because that would be violence. And violence against the government is wrong according to every single person who owns a gun.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 08, 2024 02:58 PM (ALn4J)

155 Piggish Liz Cheney
......

Liz / Lizzo 2024

Posted by: wth at January 08, 2024 02:58 PM (v0R5T)

156 Lawrence Taylors sacking of Joe Theisman comes to mind...
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (ZV+pB)

Multiple sackings during the opening credits for Python's Holy Grail.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:59 PM (dGCAG)

157 O/T Gotta love DM's screaming headline right now:

"Paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein secretly recorded sex tapes of Prince Andrew, Richard Branson and Bill Clinton, latest unsealed documents claim - as Donald Trump is accused of having sex with 'many girls'"

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 08, 2024 02:59 PM (mupln)

158 Surprised that he mentions Assage. Most don't.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 08, 2024 02:51 PM (L8hCM)

In some circles, Assange gets mentioned a lot, and Vivek is active in those circles.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:59 PM (dGCAG)

159 Meta Platforms (META) CEO Mark Zuckerberg sold nearly 1.28 million shares for about $428 million in the last two months of 2023, a regulatory filing showed. It’s the first time Zuckerberg has sold Meta shares since November 2021, with the company’s share price growing 194% since then. Shares of Meta edged about 0.3% higher in the pre-market.
Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (RHGPo)

It isn't "pump and dump" if you have a long history of funding the democrat party

Posted by: Kindltot at January 08, 2024 02:59 PM (D7oie)

160 Business Insidher went after Bill Ackman's wife over his successful ousting of Gay.

Ackman wasn't having it.

Peachy Keenan gave him some helpful tips about how his financial holdings are feeding the woke beast that just bit him.

Now the fun begins.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (lu1XB)

161 I think the smartest strategy is to focus on the over charging and over sentencing of the hostages. And to beat home the unequal application of the law with all the other protests , riots, intimidation incidents at the capitol and at other Federal properties.

Posted by: Titanium White at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (MNhXM)

162 Assuming any of them went to DC that day intending to "insurrect," which is a fairly hefty assumption.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 08, 2024 02:43 PM (bhRsz)

I failed to use the [sarc] tag.

Posted by: Inogame at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (53oGX)

163 One can assume that the permanent #1 priority of the FBI is to acquire kompromat on elected officials in Washington and other senior officials.

It comes in useful at times - like when Robert F. Kennedy took J. Edgar Hoover out to lunch to explain that Hoover was going to be fired, and Hoover explained why the Kennedy brothers weren't going to fire him.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (YAtuc)

164 There's no evidence of widespread FBI involvement in Jan 6

Posted by: JCG at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (WiKqj)

165 Off for another all night work job
Forward Dog 9 out, see you from the road

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (fwDg9)

166 It's clear that Biden plans to make J6 the centerpiece of his reelection strategy, largely because he has nothing else to run on.

If you listen to the Tucker interview Higgins claims they have compiled an enormous amount of evidence that the FBI and others were involved in instigating J6. Not just words but evidence and he has tentative agreement from Speaker Johnson to release it

Could make election even more spicy this year.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (ZLI7S)

167 I want to see the Billy Jeff Epstein sex tape.

Was an El Camino involved?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (Edu7X)

168 Carter pardoned all the Vietnam-era draft dodgers, whether they had been charged or not.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 08, 2024 02:46 PM (YAtuc)

Yup. And most Vietnam vets will never forgive the motherfucker.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (BdMk6)

169 >>@RepClayHiggins says "well over 200" FBI assets were involved in Jan 6 including some dressed as Trump supporters inside the building leading people to key locations in the Capitol.

That's like, uhhh, you're opinion man.
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Christopher "Sneaky Little Shit" Wray

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (XV/Pl)

170 160 Peachy Keenan gave him some helpful tips about how his financial holdings are feeding the woke beast that just bit him.

Now the fun begins.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (lu1XB)

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"DEI receives massive financial backing from corporations that I help fund with my hedge fund?! Why does nobody tell me about these things!"

I swear, Bill Ackman's sudden political awakening just feels...weird.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (GBKbO)

171 Liz Cheney is one of those people you can point to explain "what is wrong with America." The existence of this mediocre, jiggling tub of cunt in the halls of power thanks to her power piggy dad's connections, says more than any words can.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (0FoWg)

172 The fault is Trump's for putting him on the ticket.
Posted by: Auspex at January 08, 2024 02:55 PM (j4U/Z)

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Nope. Establishment R's put Pence on the ticket. Before this shitstorm, Trump wanted the support of the party. To get it, they pushed that limp dick, Pence. Trump doesn't want the R's bullshit anymore. He'll pick who he wants for VP. Guarantee.

If he picked some establishment stooge like Haley, his support would go up in smoke and that includes me.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (JeYYB)

173 QAnon Shaman's siege of the US Capital doesn't even rank among the Top 20 sieges of all time.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (4I/2K)

174 I simply don't know and neither does anyone outside of the Biden junta how far they will go. Then there is the stray voltage affecting nutballs to try to assassinate him along with state actors like Iran or China that would be glad to help them.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (aYC4C)

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they come up with some way to simply cancel elections at the last minute. That's what most banana republics would do.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (i9ffA)

175 You'd think that Liz would take her and daddies money and go lounge on a beach somewhere. People on the beach would probably try to push her back in while keeping her blow hole moist . But take the $ and swim Liz

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 08, 2024 03:02 PM (Yem6A)

176 Time is running out on keeping him "off the ballots" of the states he'll need to secure the nomination. Then the question is, what shenanigans will they use, after he's secured it, to have his delegates deemed ineligible, and/or have him removed after he's been nominated by the party.

I don't think the current efforts will be enough to stop him. They have to escalate.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (dGCAG)

what if the plan is to remove him AFTER the date for printing, so it's "too late to change" and any vote marked for him will be ignored, you'll just have to write in the candidate you want...?

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 08, 2024 03:02 PM (bving)

177 What if neither Biden nor Trump are actually... um... "extant" to run in '24? Health, accident, meteor strike, whatever... Imagine the flop sweat panic as a sea of nobodies, toadies, lackeys, and wannabes all flail at the brass ring like Gollum's short-bus riding little brother....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 08, 2024 03:02 PM (9UlRk)

178 Pence says that the FBLIE told him they were not involved in the J6 unpleasantness and he believes the FBLIE wouldn't lie.

Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2024 03:02 PM (ev+Ps)

179 Nope. Establishment R's put Pence on the ticket. Before this shitstorm, Trump wanted the support of the party. To get it, they pushed that limp dick, Pence. Trump doesn't want the R's bullshit anymore. He'll pick who he wants for VP. Guarantee.

If he picked some establishment stooge like Haley, his support would go up in smoke and that includes me.
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (JeYYB)

I'm still wondering if he'll go for RFK Jr.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:03 PM (i9ffA)

180 I guess it depends on the definition of widespread.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 03:03 PM (lu1XB)

181 Yup. And most Vietnam vets will never forgive the motherfucker.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at January 08, 2024 03:00 PM (BdMk6)

Not excusing what Carter did, but I wish Vietnam vets would be as pissed with Johnson and Nixon for sending them to a pointless war, where so many of their drafted comrades died needlessly.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 03:03 PM (dGCAG)

182 Wasn't the FIB's official testimony something like "there were so many agents we can't count them?"

Posted by: Ian S. at January 08, 2024 03:03 PM (2ocoG)

183 QAnon Shaman's siege of the US Capital doesn't even rank among the Top 20 sieges of all time.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (4I/2K)
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Poser.

Posted by: Troy, Gibraltar, Vienna, Leningrad at January 08, 2024 03:03 PM (xYckV)

184 The problem I have with comments like that is the people making them rarely think beyond the moment of opposition itself. If you use violence against an oppressive state agency, even if you win in the moment, it's going to double down and bring ten times as much force against you the next day. Shoot at FBI agents? They'll come back at you with the military, which has a lot more toys than you do.

Not saying we shouldn't stand up to oppression; but as others have already said, if you're going to go that route, no half measures.
Posted by: Dr. T
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Irish Democracy is more like it. States are increasingly going their own way on a number of items and fedgov is teetering on the brink of a sovereign debt crisis.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 03:03 PM (aYC4C)

185 148 Anyone with half a brain saw the Jan 6 set up coming from a million miles away. I wasn’t the only one here warning of it weeks before the rally.
Posted by: Titanium White at January 08, 2024 02:56 PM (MNhXM)

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Yeah our side is kind dumb when it comes to this stuff. See also Michigan "kidnapping plot".

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:04 PM (bWsRe)

186 QAnon Shaman's siege of the US Capital doesn't even rank among the Top 20 sieges of all time.

He wasn't even there to protest, he was a lobbyist for the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 08, 2024 03:04 PM (2ocoG)

187 The one J6 Person of Interest they haven't tracked down is who planted the bomb the night before. If it's revealed that this peson has Deep State ties, then the J6 Narrative totally collpases, no? There's video, I'm told.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 08, 2024 03:04 PM (Gse2f)

188 QAnon Shaman's siege of the US Capital doesn't even rank among the Top 20 sieges of all time.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (4I/2K)

In the future, January 6th will be a national holiday called Buffalo Guy Day and everyone will wear a Buffalo Head Dress and bang Pelosi's gavel while having the day off.

Yeah! Oh Yeah!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2024 03:04 PM (Edu7X)

189 152 Biden's handlers will be passing out pardons… on October 7th …..

Causing the elections to be “postponed”.

Posted by: pawn at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (Alka/)

190 175 You'd think that Liz would take her and daddies money and go lounge on a beach somewhere. People on the beach would probably try to push her back in while keeping her blow hole moist . But take the $ and swim Liz
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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She would probably run aground due to windmills but you get an A for creativity.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (aYC4C)

191 Yeah our side is kind dumb when it comes to this stuff. See also Michigan "kidnapping plot".

Didn't the Michigan guys figure out it was a setup and then have to be blackmailed into participating?

Posted by: Ian S. at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (2ocoG)

192 People on the beach would probably try to push her back in while keeping her blow hole moist . But take the $ and swim Liz
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 08, 2024 03:02 PM (Yem6A

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There are some things ... how do you say, that even I won't do

Posted by: The Paolo at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (ZV+pB)

193 what if the plan is to remove him AFTER the date for printing, so it's "too late to change" and any vote marked for him will be ignored, you'll just have to write in the candidate you want...?
Posted by: SturmToddler at January 08, 2024 03:02 PM (bving)

It's going to get interesting, whatever it is they try. I do think there's better than 50% chance Trump won't be on the ballot in November.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (dGCAG)

194 > The problem I have with comments like that is the people making them rarely think beyond the moment of opposition itself. If you use violence against an oppressive state agency, even if you win in the moment, it's going to double down and bring ten times as much force against you the next day. Shoot at FBI agents? They'll come back at you with the military, which has a lot more toys than you do.

Yep. The Davidians at Waco managed to kill some ATF agents and send them packing with their tails between their legs. The government came back with an Abrams and killed nearly everyone.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (Odg76)

195 From the Atlantic, those damn Jews!

Kim Ghattas
@KimGhattas
Hezbollah and Iran have signaled clearly, repeatedly, they want to avoid a wider war. Israel keeps testing that position...At some point, it will miscalculate...

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (FVME7)

196
I'm still wondering if he'll go for RFK Jr.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:03 PM (i9ffA)

Doubt. I think there is too much BS between them for the VP slot. Although I could see RFK Jr in the admin as head of the FDA or Sec HHS.

Posted by: redchief at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (2hHUY)

197 "DEI receives massive financial backing from corporations that I help fund with my hedge fund?! Why does nobody tell me about these things!"

I swear, Bill Ackman's sudden political awakening just feels...weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (GBKbO)

It's been darkly amusing to see him suddenly waking up to what he's been behind all these years. Better late than never, and I'm glad to have him on board, but dude, how could you not see what was happening under your noise? It's like he just woke up in a whole new world.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:06 PM (i9ffA)

198 89 We're looking into this matter - Mike Johnson
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Who unlocked the main doors. Seems like a question that should have an easy answer, especially for someone in your position who has people who know the answer on Capitol Police staff that report to you. Right?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 08, 2024 03:06 PM (fs1hN)

199 Washington Post Doomed amid Failing Business Plan, Massive Losses

Finally some good news.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 08, 2024 03:06 PM (eYF7X)

200 mediocre, jiggling tub of cunt

I would think that despite, her girth her "c*** doesn't jiggle anymore than any other womans does, as cunt do not jiggle. They're a stationary thing. Her stomach might jiggle every so often, but I'm not close enough to Liz Cheney to know that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2024 03:06 PM (RSbhh)

201 Don't forget Clintoon pardoned the bombers that actually BOMBED the Capitol.

Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2024 03:06 PM (ev+Ps)

202 They'll come back at you with the military, which has a lot more toys than you do.

"LOL" - Afghan goat fuckers

Posted by: Ian S. at January 08, 2024 03:06 PM (2ocoG)

203 Peachy Carnehan > Peachy Keenan

Posted by: The Head of Daniel Dravot at January 08, 2024 03:06 PM (4I/2K)

204 Doubt. I think there is too much BS between them for the VP slot. Although I could see RFK Jr in the admin as head of the FDA or Sec HHS.
Posted by: redchief at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (2hHUY)

I honestly would love to see him as Surgeon General.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:07 PM (i9ffA)

205 Bill Ackman's about to be shocked there's gambling in his Casablanca casinos.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:07 PM (bWsRe)

206 >In on it. Guaranteed.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at January 08, 2024 02:28 PM (OUMaO)

This was probably already noted in this thread, but Pelosi fist bump.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 08, 2024 03:07 PM (j8zBt)

207 >>Who unlocked the main doors. Seems like a question that should have an easy answer, especially for someone in your position who has people who know the answer on Capitol Police staff that report to you. Right?
Posted by: Chuck Martel

Mike Johnson is a weak sister and is fully coated in uniparty secretions.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 08, 2024 03:07 PM (eYF7X)

208 A seriously gunned up minority of the people insurrected a government with no guns.

That's what they tell us.

Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2024 03:08 PM (ev+Ps)

209 In the future, January 6th will be a national holiday called Buffalo Guy Day and everyone will wear a Buffalo Head Dress and bang Pelosi's gavel while having the day off.

Yeah! Oh Yeah!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2024 03:04 PM (Edu7X)

thank god "gavel" was in there, i had just finished lunch and thought you meant...

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 08, 2024 03:08 PM (bving)

210 199 Washington Post Doomed amid Failing Business Plan, Massive Losses

Finally some good news.
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They had a plan?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 03:09 PM (pZ64F)

211 Hezbollah and Iran have signaled clearly, repeatedly, they want to avoid a wider war.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (FVME7)

Those signals happen to be missiles fired into Israel from Hezbollah territory in Lebanon, but let's not quibble. It's the Jew's fault.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 08, 2024 03:09 PM (gSZYf)

212 Not excusing what Carter did, but I wish Vietnam vets would be as pissed with Johnson and Nixon for sending them to a pointless war, where so many of their drafted comrades died needlessly.
Posted by: BurtTC

My dad and his vet friend both hated Johnson. Vet friend was awarded a silver star for stuff he did in Vietnam and despised Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Carter for all of their Vietnam bullshit.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 08, 2024 03:09 PM (cRrcX)

213 Peachy Carnehan > Peachy Keenan
Posted by: The Head of Daniel Dravot at January 08, 2024 03:06 PM (4I/2K)
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Ayoh Gurkhali!!

Posted by: Rifleman Machendra Bahadur Gurung at January 08, 2024 03:09 PM (xYckV)

214 I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they come up with some way to simply cancel elections at the last minute. That's what most banana republics would do.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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It's happened elsewhere but a bit trickier to pull off in a presidential state instead of parliamentary elections.

Simply put, losing the mandate of heaven means that coercion has to replace willing obedience and the US was never really designed for coercion by government because of federalism and separation of powers. Right now, the bureaucracy is the Deep State but it lacks constitutional legitimacy.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 03:09 PM (aYC4C)

215 RNC Research
@RNCResearch
Biden, who routinely and angrily smears millions of Republicans as "extremists," says Republicans "don't have respect" for him

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When he's right, he's right.

"There’s one thing they don’t have. They don’t have respect for the 81 million people who voted the other way, voted for my candidacy!"

We believe that millions of them don't even exist.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 08, 2024 03:09 PM (FVME7)

216 @49

>>There has been a great deal of argument about this on Twitter recently, in which Julie Kelly has been involved: after the J6 protests took place, but before Trump left office, could he have issued a blanket pardon to all the people arrested? Should he?

It's stupid and ridiculous Monday Morning Quaterbacking of the most vulgar kind.

Between J6 and J20 is exactly 14 days, the dust hadn't even settled nor anybody been arrested yet, except the relatively few who had been arrested that day, to pardon.

And besides, after J6 everybody up and quit, there was nobody to really work on a pardon even if Trump ordered them to do it.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 03:09 PM (XV/Pl)

217 I guess it depends on the definition of widespread.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 03:03 PM (lu1XB)

Precisely.

Posted by: Larry Craig at January 08, 2024 03:09 PM (4I/2K)

218
Listen up, when it comes to Liz Cheney and myself, I've always said, "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned."

Posted by: Caludine Gay at January 08, 2024 03:10 PM (3qE2b)

219 Seriously, Trump should pardon every J6er and present each with a "01-06-2021 Spirit of George Washington" medal.

Posted by: Oglebay at January 08, 2024 03:10 PM (ogTiX)

220 "Washington Post Doomed amid Failing Business Plan"

You'd think WaPo, CNN, NYT, etc would be doing all they could to help Trump win in 2024. Left wing media made a mint during his first term.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:10 PM (bWsRe)

221 Liz Cheney: I can save her!

But I'm not flying anywhere to do it. Nope, no flying by me.

Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2024 03:10 PM (ev+Ps)

222 >>You'd think that Liz would take her and daddies money and go lounge on a beach somewhere. People on the beach would probably try to push her back in while keeping her blow hole moist . But take the $ and swim Liz

I think we are past that point. What's become apparent over the last number of years is that most of what we think is going on in DC is a facade. There really is only one party and it works hand in glove with the deep state. And a relatively small group of people have gotten obscenely rich and powerful by thwarting the will of the voters to run the government their way.

What happens if that facade is torn down and the American people get to see what is really going on in DC? The desire of the establishment and the deep state to destroy Trump and his supporters is so over the top as to be almost comical. People here are openly speculating that they might try to assassinate Trump and we aren't the only ones thinking this.

This isn't normal politics. This is something well beyond that.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2024 03:11 PM (ZLI7S)

223 Someone posted their version of the magic pardon Trump was supposed to sign for the J6 people. Which said something to the effect of "Pardon everyone at the Capitol except those who engaged in criminal activity, violence, or encouraged the same"

Because this government in no way would have tortured the "encouragement" clause to death.

I swear, Desantis has the dumbest people in his orbit.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 03:11 PM (lu1XB)

224 QAnon Shaman's siege of the US Capital doesn't even rank among the Top 20 sieges of all time.

He wasn't even there to protest, he was a lobbyist for the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 08, 2024 03:04 PM (2ocoG)
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If a face-painted idiot wearing horns was a genuine threat to the American government, then we are in really serious doo-doo.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 08, 2024 03:11 PM (W/lyH)

225 thank god "gavel" was in there, i had just finished lunch and thought you meant...

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Don't get complacent, Liz Cheney's FUPA has become an item of discussion.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at January 08, 2024 03:11 PM (ji3Wy)

226 END OF SNOW CUZ GLOBAL WARMING!!!

Also...

"The weather service said in an advisory early Monday that up to 2 inches of snow per hour could land in the central and southern Plains Monday night into Tuesday, with the snowstorm advancing into the Midwest.

A foot of snow had already landed in Massachusetts by Sunday afternoon, leaving 13,000 homes in the state without power. That number had dropped to 5,600 by Monday morning.

Snow and hazardous conditions are also expected in the interior Northeast throughout Tuesday, while a blizzard is expected in the Plains of northeast New Mexico, eastern Colorado, the Oklahoma and Texas Panhandles, western Kansas and southwest Nebraska."

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:12 PM (bWsRe)

227 You know, Hillary Clinton and the FBI really fucked up.

By using the FBI as part of her Clinton Plan, she deliberately risked the people's trust in the premier federal law enforcement agency.

The FBI decided to go right along with it...a complete lack of judgement.

And now they bitch and moan about the public not believing them.

p.s. why haven't they caught the fake bomb lady?

Posted by: Harun at January 08, 2024 03:12 PM (c2WeP)

228 Not excusing what Carter did, but I wish Vietnam vets would be as pissed with Johnson and Nixon for sending them to a pointless war, where so many of their drafted comrades died needlessly.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 03:03 PM (dGCAG)

We're capable of being pissed at the whole DC power structure. There were numerous motherfuckers during that era, just like now.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at January 08, 2024 03:12 PM (BdMk6)

229 When do we have hearings about Austin?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 03:12 PM (lu1XB)

230 @KimGhattas
Hezbollah and Iran have signaled clearly, repeatedly, they want to avoid a wider war. Israel keeps testing that position...At some point, it will miscalculate...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (FVME7)

They keep tiptoeing closer - I get the feeling that Israel wants to wait until most operations are winding down in Gaza before they openly commit to war with Hezbollah. Still, in the last 4 days;
- Israel took out a top Hamas official in Beirut, who was supposed to be under Hezbollah's protection.
- Hezbollah was mad so they shot a bunch of missiles at Israel and more seriously, badly damaged Israel's main electronic listening post on Mount Meron.
- In response to that, Israel targeted/assasinated a senior leader of Hezbollah who was also the brother in law of Nasrullah, their Supreme Leader.

You wonder how much higher the players are going to push the stakes.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:13 PM (i9ffA)

231 Seriously, Trump should pardon every J6er and present each with a "01-06-2021 Spirit of George Washington" medal.
Posted by: Oglebay at January 08, 2024 03:10 PM (ogTiX)

If he wants to really make a statement....

Pardon the 116th Congress and Mike Pence. Explicitly.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 08, 2024 03:13 PM (9UlRk)

232 What really drives me nuts about the 1/6 "insurrection" is this: In a self defense shooting scenario, you have to prove intent, opportunity, and jeopardy.

Basically, it's not enough for the person to have the idea to kill you, they also have to have a time and place and they have to put you in real danger.

WHAT WAS THE FUCKING REAL DANGER OF 1/6 ACTUALLY OVERTHROWING THE GOVERNMENT? Everyone on Liz Cheney's side love to play up the people smashing windows and mob-pressing cops, but that's not nearly enough to overthrow the government. They love to say the mob had the intent of keeping the government in Trump's hands, which they take as self evident. They don't ever actually present much evidence of that.

Where's the actual jeopardy of the mob overthrowing the government? What's the mechanism? How do they do it? Even if they get their hands on Pence and the electoral votes, there's a line of succession and the electors can re-submit votes or certify what their votes were. There are also processes for disputed electors and votes. So again, no actual jeopardy of overthrowing the government.

At most you've got intent.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2024 03:13 PM (Odg76)

233 Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (Odg76)

If there were to be a violent effort against the government my guess is that it would be directed more at single officials rather than the full might of the police state.

Sniping and bombs and sabotage rather than staged battles, which you correctly point out would be difficult to win.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 08, 2024 03:14 PM (gSZYf)

234 The Vandals - Rome
The Normans - Rome
The Visigoths - Rome
The Ostrogoths - Rome
Grandma Evelyn - US Capital

Name five notable sackings.
Posted by: Count de Monet

No one ever notices when we sack things.

Posted by: The Invisigoths at January 08, 2024 03:14 PM (7Mmj8)

235 229 When do we have hearings about Austin?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 03:12 PM (lu1XB)

A blue ribbon commission will be set up. Then in 2029 a 1900 page report will be issued, recommending better training.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:14 PM (bWsRe)

236 A leftist talking head will ask the criminal if in fact he is a criminal and when the criminal says "no" the left all collectively started claiming the criminality has been disproved.
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"Debunked" is the correct usage.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 08, 2024 03:14 PM (fs1hN)

237
I honestly would love to see him as Surgeon General.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:07 PM

There is a gold standard for Surgeon General, someone who can take the position firmly in hand, and bring a happy ending to the youth of tomorrow through education.

Posted by: Dr. Juice Lynn Elders at January 08, 2024 03:15 PM (3qE2b)

238 Don't get complacent, Liz Cheney's FUPA has become an item of discussion.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at January 08, 2024 03:11 PM (ji3Wy)

I saw the Jiggling FUPAs open for Red Hot Chili Peppers at the Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion in '92.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 03:15 PM (4I/2K)

239 There wasn't any Constitutional legitimacy to the Kenyan C*cksucker's alleged Presidency.

Trump, not being schooled in the tight meaning of words got red herringed when he went after the birth certificate issue when the natural born citizen issue was the winning horse.

Lots of people chased the wrong issue.

Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2024 03:15 PM (ev+Ps)

240 Mind-blowing.
@RepClayHiggins
says "well over 200" FBI assets were involved in Jan 6 including some dressed as Trump supporters inside the building leading people to key locations in the Capitol.

Higgins is a former LEO and veteran--no chance he's making this up.


Well, there is a chance he's making it up but, using recent history with the Feds, he probably isn't. So, an 87% chance he's telling the truth. Might seem low, but I tend to NOT believe political creatures. Sort of a default position.

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by meow at January 08, 2024 03:16 PM (sAmhv)

241 Posted by: paul at January 08, 2024 03:15 PM (hgDJr)

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Insurrections usually involve weapons.

Like soda cups filled with cement.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 03:16 PM (GBKbO)

242 The Vandals - Rome
The Normans - Rome
The Visigoths - Rome
The Ostrogoths - Rome
Grandma Evelyn - US Capital

Name five notable sackings.
Posted by: Count de Monet

No one ever notices when we sack things.
Posted by: The Invisigoths at January 08, 2024 03:14 PM (7Mmj

*fistbump*

Posted by: The Ninjagoths at January 08, 2024 03:16 PM (4I/2K)

243 Mind-blowing.
@RepClayHiggins
says "well over 200" FBI assets were involved in Jan 6 including some dressed as Trump supporters inside the building leading people to key locations in the Capitol.

Higgins is a former LEO and veteran--no chance he's making this up.


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😳
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2024 02:23 PM (V13WU)

I don't believe this.

Usually the FBI assets are 90 - 95 percent of the total involved and I can't see them skimping on this operation.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 08, 2024 03:16 PM (eoQWY)

244 194 > The problem I have with comments like that is the people making them rarely think beyond the moment of opposition itself. If you use violence against an oppressive state agency, even if you win in the moment, it's going to double down and bring ten times as much force against you the next day. Shoot at FBI agents? They'll come back at you with the military, which has a lot more toys than you do.

Yep. The Davidians at Waco managed to kill some ATF agents and send them packing with their tails between their legs. The government came back with an Abrams and killed nearly everyone.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Generally speaking Koresh was not a particularly sympathetic critter, respect for the feds was still high, and the overreach supposedly at Waco spurred the OKC bombing.

The critical factor is regime legitimacy is crucial for people to obey laws. The non compliance with various state assault weapon and registration nonsense is well over 90 percent in IL, NY, and CT and virtually no action by local leos to actually enforce it. Ditto the drug issue.

We are well on the way to a reshuffling of our governing arrangements and I am not really sure where we will end up.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 03:17 PM (aYC4C)

245 I assume that the Cheneys cut a deal with Biden/Obama. Lizzo Cheney would become one of his "Republican" attack dogs and Joe wouldn't prosecute Dick.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2024 03:17 PM (ibTVg)

246 Not excusing what Carter did, but I wish Vietnam vets would be as pissed with Johnson and Nixon for sending them to a pointless war, where so many of their drafted comrades died needlessly.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2024 03:03 PM (dGCAG)


There were. Just didn't have the internet back then.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 08, 2024 03:17 PM (W/lyH)

247 Usually the FBI assets are 90 - 95 percent of the total involved and I can't see them skimping on this operation.

Every time in the last few years the FNM has shown me members of a white supremacist group protesting/rioting somewhere they all are decked out in JCrew gear and FBI compliant hair cuts.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2024 03:18 PM (ibTVg)

248 @240

>>Well, there is a chance he's making it up but, using recent history with the Feds, he probably isn't. So, an 87% chance he's telling the truth. Might seem low, but I tend to NOT believe political creatures. Sort of a default position.

If you watch the clip, he alludes to "secret" testimony he has been priveledged to see.

So what Rep. Clay Higgins can do is go to the well of the house and spill the beans on what he knows.

But, that would take real courage, talking to some internet journalist and making claims to rile up Bubba is a lot safer though.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 03:19 PM (XV/Pl)

249 I'm trying to understand what motivation Higgins would have to lie. It sure as hell isn't going to make him more popular in DC.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2024 03:19 PM (ZLI7S)

250 174 I simply don't know and neither does anyone outside of the Biden junta how far they will go. Then there is the stray voltage affecting nutballs to try to assassinate him along with state actors like Iran or China that would be glad to help them.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (aYC4C)

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they come up with some way to simply cancel elections at the last minute. That's what most banana republics would do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (i9ffA)

How would that get packaged up to be palatable?
Aliens?
I just feel like things might get sporty if they try that.

Posted by: Inogame at January 08, 2024 03:19 PM (53oGX)

251 Li Cheney needs to get with the program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlEPtkSdTx8

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 08, 2024 03:19 PM (eYF7X)

252 Ah, 233 Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2024 03:05 PM (Odg76)

If there were to be a violent effort against the government my guess is that it would be directed more at single officials rather than the full might of the police state.

Sniping and bombs and sabotage rather than staged battles, which you correctly point out would be difficult to win.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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So you believe something more like Northern Ireland's Time of Troubles instead of civil war.

Myself, I dunno. Number of possible outcomes and nukes makes it all the more complicated. Probably the reason why the dissolution of the Soviet Union was relatively peaceful. Russians had nukes all over the place.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 03:19 PM (aYC4C)

253 Where's the actual jeopardy of the mob overthrowing the government? What's the mechanism? How do they do it?

That's been my question since this nonsense started. There is literally no way, even if protesters were armed and had held the Capitol, that any of it would translate to control of the government.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 08, 2024 03:19 PM (2ocoG)

254 172 Trump doesn't want the R's bullshit anymore. He'll pick who he wants for VP.

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147 Some names I have heard being speculated about are Rep. Elsie Stefanik, Gov. Noem, and Lee Zeldin.

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So who does he *want* for VP? Haley & Noem are both Uniparty (Noem for trannies in sports, Haley for much of what's been discussed lately), and Stefanik and Zeldin just seem to thin on experience (def Zeldin). Kari Lake hasn't won anything yet... Hard to see anyone other than Vivek. Which seems like too many 'outsiders'. Ric Grenell? He seemed to convincingly say 'no' before...

Posted by: bearski at January 08, 2024 03:20 PM (Bhsk7)

255 Hillary Clinton’s Name Appears in Epstein Docs as Lawyers Suggest Clinton Foundation May Have Funded Ghislaine Maxwell

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Got a volume discount, I imagine.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 08, 2024 03:20 PM (FVME7)

256 If Cheney had her way, everyone on this site who has criticized the deep state would be facing charges.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 03:20 PM (lTGtQ)

257 How would that get packaged up to be palatable?
Aliens?
I just feel like things might get sporty if they try that.
Posted by: Inogame at January 08, 2024 03:19 PM (53oGX)

More and more I think things will get sporty no matter what they try. And I don't think they care.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:20 PM (i9ffA)

258 Sniping and bombs and sabotage rather than staged battles, which you correctly point out would be difficult to win.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

The Left was quite successful doing it that way in the late 60s and early 70s.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 08, 2024 03:20 PM (2ocoG)

259 211 Hezbollah and Iran have signaled clearly, repeatedly, they want to avoid a wider war.




They lie. Everything they say, do, or signal is a lie.

Posted by: Floridachick at January 08, 2024 03:20 PM (i1Feo)

260 If Paul and Sid were both on fire and you had to piss which one would you save?

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (bWsRe)

261 244 The critical factor is regime legitimacy is crucial for people to obey laws. The non compliance with various state assault weapon and registration nonsense is well over 90 percent in IL, NY, and CT and virtually no action by local leos to actually enforce it. Ditto the drug issue.

We are well on the way to a reshuffling of our governing arrangements and I am not really sure where we will end up.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 03:17 PM (aYC4C)

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I think our ruling elite want to rule by fiat, by the press of a button. This is why they're so obsessed with the digital space.

They call up Mark Zuckerberg, tell him to cancel someone, and it's done. Suddenly, they don't see the troublesome on Facebook anymore and it's like they don't exist.

It seems to encapsulate their entire governing philosophy these days. The dictate, someone presses a button, it's done and there's no need for followup. This doesn't mesh well with the running of an actual, very large country.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (GBKbO)

262 Is this tick Cheney still a Rep?

She needs to go.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (ufFY8)

263 256 If Cheney had her way, everyone on this site who has criticized the deep state would be facing charges.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 03:20 PM (lTGtQ)

The saddest thing is that's not hyperbole. That's the absolute truth.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (i9ffA)

264 @239

>>Trump, not being schooled in the tight meaning of words got red herringed when he went after the birth certificate issue when the natural born citizen issue was the winning horse.

Whether the SCOAMF is a US citizen or not is still a mystery, what isn't a mystery is that the birth certificate that was released, was faker than a Kardashians Butt Implants.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (XV/Pl)

265 If Paul and Sid were both on fire and you had to piss which one would you save?
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (bWsRe)
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This tree over here.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at January 08, 2024 03:22 PM (xYckV)

266 260 If Paul and Sid were both on fire and you had to piss which one would you save?
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (bWsRe)

I'd grit my teeth and hold it in.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:22 PM (i9ffA)

267 They lie. Everything they say, do, or signal is a lie.
Posted by: Floridachick at January 08, 2024 03:20 PM (i1Feo)

Not exactly a lie... of course they want to avoid an all out war. They want to continue attacking and destabilizing with impunity through their proxies while remaining insulated and protected from any violent reprisals.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 08, 2024 03:22 PM (9UlRk)

268 260 If Paul and Sid were both on fire and you had to piss which one would you save?
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (bWsRe)

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I'd have Rygel piss on both of them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 03:22 PM (GBKbO)

269 This J6 insurrectionist is having his appeal heard by SCOTUS:

"After hearing about the events that were transpiring
at the Capitol, he returned to the District, entering the
Capitol for four minutes when he returned handcuffs
that an officer had dropped, conversed with another officer, patted an officer on the shoulder, was pushed
into a police line, was pepper sprayed, and left. See
Pet. Cert. at 4-5"

At issue is whether this could ever be "obstructing an official proceeding" and worth 20 years.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 08, 2024 03:22 PM (Gse2f)

270 It's amazing that Dick Cheney's daughter and GWB are both heroes to the left. Imagine taking a time machine to 2005 and telling an average Democrat this, LOL.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:22 PM (bWsRe)

271 We believe in the equal application of law, not the two-tiered system of injustice this grotesque pig favors.
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I am pretty sure this is treason. Or something.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 03:22 PM (Zp1WF)

272 I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they come up with some way to simply cancel elections at the last minute. That's what most banana republics would do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (i9ffA)

How would that get packaged up to be palatable?
Aliens?
I just feel like things might get sporty if they try that.

Posted by: Inogame



Cyber attack. They have already floated it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 03:23 PM (lTGtQ)

273 "The Peregine mission to the Moon that launched this morning is experiencing a major loss of propellant. Look like it going to be another piece of space junk.
Posted by: pawn "


What is really important is the design team was diverse and inclusive and everybodies voice was heard.

Posted by: Ripley at January 08, 2024 03:23 PM (JojsZ)

274 At issue is whether this could ever be "obstructing an official proceeding" and worth 20 years.

Is trying to create a fake insurrection so that you can impeach a president an “official proceeding”?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 08, 2024 03:24 PM (EXyHK)

275 Whether the SCOAMF is a US citizen or not is still a mystery,
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (XV/Pl)

No it's not. His mother was a US citizen when he was born. Therefore he is a citizen, and a natural born citizen. Doesn't matter if he was born in Hawaii or on the moon.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:24 PM (bWsRe)

276 How would that get packaged up to be palatable?
Aliens?
I just feel like things might get sporty if they try that.
Posted by: Inogame
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Not sure how anyone can really predict much with certainty and that includes btw the Deep State. Much of their vaunted IQ is diminished by the fact that they engage in groupthink of the worst sort. Same way Tojo got Japan into a war it could not win.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 03:24 PM (aYC4C)

277 260 If Paul and Sid were both on fire and you had to piss which one would you save?
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (bWsRe)

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I'd have Rygel piss on both of them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 03:22 PM (GBKbO)
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As I recall, Rygel's piss tends to get a wee bit combustible under certain conditions...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 03:24 PM (7fElN)

278 They call up Mark Zuckerberg, tell him to cancel someone, and it's done. Suddenly, they don't see the troublesome on Facebook anymore and it's like they don't exist.

Facebook is increasingly irrelevant though, and all of the Twitter killers haven't done well. Meta's "Threads" is DOA, Jack Dorsey's Blue Sky is DOA, and the Marxist Silicon Valley types who could figure out how to use Mastodon have started coming back to Twitter because nobody's on Mastodon but them.

Network effects are the real killer app.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 08, 2024 03:24 PM (2ocoG)

279 @RepClayHiggins
says "well over 200" FBI assets were involved in Jan 6 including some dressed as Trump supporters inside the building leading people to key locations in the Capitol.

Higgins is a former LEO and veteran--no chance he's making this up.
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Oh, sure there is. Plenty of chance. He's still a politician. Is it true? Is it a total fabrication? Is there conflation of things? Who knows.

But this is the case where the "Iron Law of Allegations" comes into play. If the government is alleged to have done something that both sounds bad and it sounds possible, assume it is true unless proven otherwise.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (Zp1WF)

280 > Generally speaking Koresh was not a particularly sympathetic critter, respect for the feds was still high, and the overreach supposedly at Waco spurred the OKC bombing.

Sure, that's all true. But I think the event is instructive. Any group that pops off at the government like that is going to have the hammer of God brought down against them, even if they're sympathetic.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (Odg76)

281 You modern day Yankee wankers have no idea of how do do a proper siege and burning of the US Capital and surrounding environs. Bloody poseurs!

Posted by: Major General Robert Ross, British Army, 1812 at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (4I/2K)

282 @272

>>Cyber attack. They have already floated it.

I don't think so.

They control enough apparatuses in enough locales to turn the election to them.

As was noted, the GOP nominee needs to focus on states that have GOP Governors to have any shot at 270.

That would mean GA, VA, and NV.

Other than that, it's not looking good.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (XV/Pl)

283

>>But, that would take real courage, talking to some internet journalist and making claims to rile up Bubba is a lot safer though.

He's already confronted Wray during a hearing with pictures of the buses he claims Wray used to transport FBI assets to the House that day. Wray obfuscated.

How many people know about that? How many media organizations reported on it?

The only thing that will work is releasing evidence.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (ZLI7S)

284 "DEI receives massive financial backing from corporations that I help fund with my hedge fund?! Why does nobody tell me about these things!"

I swear, Bill Ackman's sudden political awakening just feels...weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 03:01 PM (GBKbO)

I suspect he was perfectly OK with it, until he realized they weren't going to eat him last.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (D7oie)

285 I'd have Rygel piss on both of them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 03:22 PM (GBKbO)
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As I recall, Rygel's piss tends to get a wee bit combustible under certain conditions...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 03:24 PM (7fElN)
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Rygel was kind of an asshole. So I'd see him doing it.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (xYckV)

286 So she'll get a cable show, or just go on heavy rotation doing overcompensated network hits. Very heavy. She'll blast right through the hors d'oeuvre budget CNN freed up when they sent Stelter out to pasture, then rumble on to a sound stage to explain why anyone who doesn't hail from our hereditary nomenklatura is a repulsive criminal who should be buried underneath the jail.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 08, 2024 02:50 PM (0FoWg)
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Your contempt is showing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (Zp1WF)

287 Probably the reason why the dissolution of the Soviet Union was relatively peaceful. Russians had nukes all over the place.
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Posted by: ukraine at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (2yu8s)

288 172 Trump doesn't want the R's bullshit anymore. He'll pick who he wants for VP.

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147 Some names I have heard being speculated about are Rep. Elsie Stefanik, Gov. Noem, and Lee Zeldin.
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He could enlist Mr. Mannix to help him find a candidate.

Posted by: wth at January 08, 2024 03:26 PM (v0R5T)

289 278
Facebook is increasingly irrelevant though, and all of the Twitter killers haven't done well. Meta's "Threads" is DOA, Jack Dorsey's Blue Sky is DOA, and the Marxist Silicon Valley types who could figure out how to use Mastodon have started coming back to Twitter because nobody's on Mastodon but them.

Network effects are the real killer app.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 08, 2024 03:24 PM (2ocoG)

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It wasn't a demonstration of Facebook's power in our society but Facebook's appeal to our rulers and an example of how they want to rule by computer switch.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 03:26 PM (GBKbO)

290 Pence can go fuck himself with a pineapple, sideways
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2024 02:34 PM

The last AoSHQ Style Guide recorded in the Star Fleet Archives states this should be specified as "a barbed-wire wrapped and flaming pineapple".

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at January 08, 2024 03:26 PM (a3Q+t)

291 The Peregine mission to the Moon that launched this morning is experiencing a major loss of propellant. Look like it going to be another piece of space junk.

Navaho Nation wins this round.
No cremated ashes on their sacred Moon.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 08, 2024 03:26 PM (ufFY8)

292 But, you also have an entire DOJ apparatus to run pardons through and they were not going to approve it and simply would delay for time. It probably would have also been included as an article of impeachment had he done it.
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The main problem with a blanket pardon is that creeps like Epps would have been included. There wasn't enough time to sift through the individual cases.

I don't think DOJ approval is required.
Posted by: Midnight Rambler at January 08, 2024 02:54 PM (ji3Wy)

Nonsense. You can pardon all involved unless they were working with government agencies to foment a riot and invade government properties. Thus Epps and such would be on the hook for that.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 08, 2024 03:27 PM (eoQWY)

293 I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they come up with some way to simply cancel elections at the last minute. That's what most banana republics would do.

Donna Brazil has already floated the idea of "postponing" the elections, so it's probably in the works.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at January 08, 2024 03:27 PM (dZVON)

294 He could enlist Mr. Mannix to help him find a candidate.
Posted by: wth at January 08, 2024 03:26 PM (v0R5T)

Get back into reality TV.

"Who Wants To Be A Vice President"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 08, 2024 03:27 PM (9UlRk)

295 Rygel was kind of an asshole. So I'd see him doing it.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (xYckV)
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I have no doubt that he teabagged Crichton and D'Argo more than once when they were knocked unconscious.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 03:27 PM (7fElN)

296 It is interesting to watch the former Trump administration folks who figure they now have to blend into the DC landscape by disavowing their own actions.

Who need loyalty oaths

Clearly, Pence is trying to blend in along with Cassidy Hutchinson.
These people will sell their souls for a paycheck and a modicum of perceived respect

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 03:27 PM (RHGPo)

297 But I think the event is instructive. Any group that pops off at the government like that is going to have the hammer of God brought down against them, even if they're sympathetic.

That's adorable that you think the military isn't 3 AWFLs trying to explain trigger discipline to trannies who don't have any guns because they were all sent to KEEEEV.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 08, 2024 03:27 PM (2ocoG)

298 @278 Google and it's algorithms and activists are the real thugs. I go on Facebook and you can read what the crazed leftists think. It's truly lunacy

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 08, 2024 03:27 PM (Yem6A)

299 284 I suspect he was perfectly OK with it, until he realized they weren't going to eat him last.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 08, 2024 03:25 PM (D7oie)

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My real guess is that the upper echelon get very different talks about what DEI is than what the lower ones get.

"DEI is just the newest management effort to help with diversity."
"Great. Here's $100,000."

"DEI is telling you why white people should shut up and sit down."
"Well, there goes my next 4 hours. I bet the CEO didn't have to do this webinar."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 03:28 PM (GBKbO)

300 "DEI receives massive financial backing from corporations that I help fund with my hedge fund?! Why does nobody tell me about these things!"

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Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 08, 2024 03:28 PM (FVME7)

301 > Trump doesn't want the R's bullshit anymore. He'll pick who he wants for VP.
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If (if) he's smart he will not pick a current or former politician. That goes for his cabinet and every presidential appointee.

Nothing good can come from the political class.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 08, 2024 03:28 PM (Q4IgG)

302 268 260 If Paul and Sid were both on fire and you had to piss which one would you save?
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Depends.

Depends ®© that is.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 03:28 PM (2yu8s)

303 You know, at some point, Trump--or any other Republican--should start saying:

"why didn't these brave defenders of our democracy go out and protect the Capitol-- if they really believed it was a threat?
I would have. Instead, they all ran scared of a few wandering grandmas, twice their age.
I guess they were afraid they'd have to take selfies with them and look at pictures of their grandchildren!"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at January 08, 2024 03:28 PM (TzW+Y)

304 When do we have hearings about Austin?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 03:12 PM (lu1XB)

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Miss Lyndsey has scheduled hearings for 2032.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 03:29 PM (LF/PN)

305 Why would Biden postpone the election, when they’ve already postponed the end of the election to “as long as needed to find Biden enough votes”?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 08, 2024 03:29 PM (EXyHK)

306 That's been my question since this nonsense started. There is literally no way, even if protesters were armed and had held the Capitol, that any of it would translate to control of the government.
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Someone linked in an earlier thread a link stating that the purpose of the insurrection was to prevent the challenge of certification of electors. Then Nancy could go into emergency session and avoid all that, including even a un-successful challenge to a state's electoral slate, could cause courts to recognize "standing". So, while not an actual insurrection, it's a handy cudgel to cover up what the Fed's intent was - prevent a challenge to certification, and punish Trump supporters wandering around the building after the certification was already cancelled. Interesting theory, makes a lot of sense to me.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 08, 2024 03:29 PM (fs1hN)

307 If Democrats doubt believe they're political prisoners, they should answer why the January 2017 rioters, who actually injured Capitol police and secret service, aren't in jail. Why all those who signed the Capitol during supreme court nominations and hearings haven't been in jail. Summer of fire and love rioters are all free. And why currently all the pro- Hamas terrorist aren't even asked to step aside so emergency vehicles can get through.

If it's only one side being held to the law, it's political.

Posted by: Rbastid at January 08, 2024 03:29 PM (WgXy9)

308 I have no doubt that he teabagged Crichton and D'Argo more than once when they were knocked unconscious.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 03:27 PM (7fElN)
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Heh heh heh.

Posted by: Dominar Rygel XVI at January 08, 2024 03:30 PM (xYckV)

309 Deep State Cancel Pig Liz Cheney is, get this, making all sorts of noise she'll soon use for fundraising purposes.

Sooey! Sooey, sooey, sooey!
::: oink, oink oink! :::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2024 03:30 PM (ynpvh)

310 If Paul and Sid were both on fire and you had to piss which one would you save?
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM

I'd hold it until the next Buc-ee's.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 08, 2024 03:30 PM (jA9ul)

311 I have no doubt that he teabagged Crichton and D'Argo more than once when they were knocked unconscious.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 03:27 PM (7fElN)

He is an idiot.
Should have chosen Aeryn Soon.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at January 08, 2024 03:30 PM (ufFY8)

312 No it's not. His mother was a US citizen when he was born. Therefore he is a citizen, and a natural born citizen. Doesn't matter if he was born in Hawaii or on the moon.
Posted by: Montec
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Never been tested. The old Scotus precedent is Wong Ark Kim case dealt with green card residents giving birth in US to Kim. What distinguishes the 14th Amendment from the jus soli doctrine is the limiting phrase in the 14th requiring the individuals be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" which everyone ignores. An originalist court might very well constrain natural born to include only people born in the US or under its jurisdiction. Then again, it might defer to Congress over the definition.

Recent test case involves a guy whose parents were foreign diplomats and he was born in the US. Denied a passport as State claimed he was not a US citizen and currently winding its way through the courts. Even under a broad Jus Soli approach, diplomats were never considered under the jurisdiction thereof (they have diplomatic immunity) and their child not a US citizen.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 03:31 PM (aYC4C)

313 310 If Paul and Sid were both on fire and you had to piss which one would you save?
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM

I'd hold it until the next Buc-ee's.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 08, 2024 03:30 PM (jA9ul)

Piss on his feet.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2024 03:31 PM (ynpvh)

314 “I’ve seen the director of the FBI repeatedly assure the American people that the FBI were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on January 6,” Pence noted on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday.

“Frankly, I’m very grateful for the efforts of the FBI to bring nearly a thousand people to justice who ransacked our Capitol and did violence against police officers to that day,” he added, calling for the perpetrators to be held accountable.
Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 02:24 PM (RHGPo)

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Pence betrayed his president and the American people in January 2021 so of course he will be in favor of anyone who notices being jailed. Scumbag.

Posted by: Decaf at January 08, 2024 03:31 PM (3JfbU)

315 >Navaho Nation wins this round.
No cremated ashes on their sacred Moon.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
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Chief make big medicine, break rocket

Posted by: Don Black at January 08, 2024 03:31 PM (geLO8)

316 Nothing good can come from the political class.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 08, 2024 03:28 PM (Q4IgG)

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Agree.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 08, 2024 03:32 PM (JeYYB)

317 Miss Piggy>>>>>Luz Cheney
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2024 02:33 PM (FQmDC)

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Just occurred to me that Liz even looks like Miss Piggy.

Posted by: Decaf at January 08, 2024 03:32 PM (3JfbU)

318 Nothing good can come from the political class.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 08, 2024 03:28 PM

We need to eat, too, you know.

Posted by: The Buzzards at January 08, 2024 03:33 PM (jA9ul)

319 Chief make big medicine, break rocket
Posted by: Don Black at January 08, 2024 03:31 PM

And, How!

Posted by: Elizabeth "Two Dogs" Warren at January 08, 2024 03:33 PM (a3Q+t)

320 Some names I have heard being speculated about

are Rep. Elsie Stefanik, Gov. Noem, and Lee Zeldin

Lee Zeldin!!!

I love his albums.

Especially, "Houses of the Holy".

Posted by: naturalfake at January 08, 2024 03:33 PM (nFnyb)

321 Despite all the hype and build up, Feeding Trough of Outrage didn't do very well when it opened off Broadway in 2003.

Posted by: Snooty Theatre Critic at January 08, 2024 03:33 PM (TfGQy)

322 260 If Paul and Sid were both on fire and you had to piss which one would you save?
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 03:21 PM (bWsRe)

The piss.

Posted by: Inogame at January 08, 2024 03:33 PM (53oGX)

323 > That's adorable that you think the military isn't 3 AWFLs trying to explain trigger discipline to trannies who don't have any guns because they were all sent to KEEEEV.

K. I remember back in August when a dozen Feebs killed a fat old Utah man for popping off online about Biden. There's no body camera footage. There's no investigation. Just "trust us, he presented a lethal threat."

Seems to me the government is still ready and able to kill small groups, and they are getting negligible pushback for it.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2024 03:34 PM (Odg76)

324 Zeldin just seem too thin on experience

Lee Zeldin would be quite capable of being VP. He's rather a smart man and was both a NY State Senator and in the US House of Reps. He might not want to be Trump's VP although- he was Trump ally- because being VP may be among -as John Adams said "most insignificant office that the invention of man contrived."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2024 03:34 PM (RSbhh)

325 269 This J6 insurrectionist is having his appeal heard by SCOTUS:

"After hearing about the events that were transpiring
at the Capitol, he returned to the District, entering the
Capitol for four minutes when he returned handcuffs
that an officer had dropped, conversed with another officer, patted an officer on the shoulder, was pushed
into a police line, was pepper sprayed, and left. See
Pet. Cert. at 4-5"

At issue is whether this could ever be "obstructing an official proceeding" and worth 20 years.
_____

Absolutely! Give him the maximum.

Posted by: Mike Pence, Holy Man at January 08, 2024 03:34 PM (fs1hN)

326 Leftists violently protest in the streets, march at the homes of Supreme Court justices and verbally abuse Republican politicians at restaurants. The right is like, "Oh, the state is too powerful to oppose. Let's do our battle at the ballot box." LOF'ingL.

Posted by: Oglebay at January 08, 2024 03:34 PM (ogTiX)

327 It's been darkly amusing to see him suddenly waking up to what he's been behind all these years. Better late than never, and I'm glad to have him on board, but dude, how could you not see what was happening under your noise? It's like he just woke up in a whole new world.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 03:06 PM (i9ffA)
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He believes in the institutions - not unlike Trump. Once you are in the club, you are believed. He is in the process now of understanding that the processes and institutions he always just assumed were top notch, are not.

There is nothing in his life experience preparing him for the realization that is is all a facade. The dangerous stuff for the club, is that as he realizes more and more what is going on, he is going to get angrier and angrier, especially since they went after his wife. People like him are dangerous to make mad. Look what Musk did to them.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 08, 2024 03:34 PM (GZYu7)

328 Just occurred to me that Liz even looks like Miss Piggy.
Posted by: Decaf at January 08, 2024 03:32 PM (3JfbU)

What's green and smells like ham?

Posted by: Kermit at January 08, 2024 03:34 PM (4I/2K)

329 314 “I’ve seen the director of the FBI repeatedly assure the American people that the FBI were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on January 6,” Pence noted on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday.

“Frankly, I’m very grateful for the efforts of the FBI to bring nearly a thousand people to justice who ransacked our Capitol and did violence against police officers to that day,” he added, calling for the perpetrators to be held accountable.
Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 02:24 PM (RHGPo)

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Pence betrayed his president and the American people in January 2021 so of course he will be in favor of anyone who notices being jailed. Scumbag.

Posted by: Decaf at January 08, 2024 03:31 PM (3JfbU)

I've seen people lie under oath with no compunction. The Gov't investigated itself and found it did nothing wrong.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2024 03:34 PM (ynpvh)

330 .

NOOD

More Chatter About Biden Dropping Out of the Race by the Convention

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 08, 2024 03:35 PM (qPw5n)

331 NOOD Biden

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2024 03:35 PM (ynpvh)

332 Again, the J6 Op was similar to the Russia Collusion Op.

I'm fairly confident to a high degree of certainty that there were already "investigations" of many people on the organized J6 side in progress before that day ever happened.

The continuing of the J6 "investigations" allows them to spy on people in Trumps orbit, similar to how Crossfire Hurricane allowed them to spy on Trump in the lead up to the 2016 election, if Trump wins by some miracle, the J6 investigations will continue right into his administration and he will have to have whoever he hires as DOJ head, stop the investigations.

These f**kers have this sh*t wire six ways to Sunday.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 03:35 PM (XV/Pl)

333 “I’ve seen the director of the FBI repeatedly assure the American people that the FBI were not the instigators of the riot that occurred on January 6,” Pence noted on CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday.

“Frankly, I’m very grateful for the efforts of the FBI to bring nearly a thousand people to justice who ransacked our Capitol and did violence against police officers to that day,” he added, calling for the perpetrators to be held accountable.
Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 02:24 PM (RHGPo)
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Ah, yes. The FBI are paragons of civic virtue, fairness, honestly, competence and right-headedness who are definitely not a nakedly political internal security police force for the benefit of the Party.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 03:36 PM (Zp1WF)

334 Ric Grenell? He seemed to convincingly say 'no' before...

Posted by: bearski at January 08, 2024 03:20 PM (Bhsk7)

Grenell would be fun in that he is smarter then just about anyone out there and he would tic the LGB box before the dem's do.

Posted by: redchief at January 08, 2024 03:36 PM (2hHUY)

335 Alaska 737 Max Cockpit Data Erased After Mid-Flight Door Blowout

"The cockpit voice recorder was completely overwritten. There was nothing on the cockpit voice recorder."

Cockpit voice recorders only record 2 hours at a time. The NTSB chair wants it to be 25 hours

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 03:37 PM (RHGPo)

336 Sure, that's all true. But I think the event is instructive. Any group that pops off at the government like that is going to have the hammer of God brought down against them, even if they're sympathetic.
Posted by: bonhomme
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All that does is build anger. A lot of think tank study of government overthrows include government overreach. Marcos for example killed Aquino and ended up being driven from office because of it and he was replaced by Aquino's widow.

The Easter Rebellion in 1916 was another example--Irish nationalist lost the battle but the ensuing Black and Tan reaction by the Brits ended up losing most of Ireland for Britain. Gorby's futile crackdown on the Baltic States in 1989-90 is another backfiring example.

We really don't generally think of such unpleasantness but you can find examples all around the globe that when popular legitimacy goes, it really does not matter that the regime controls the institutions unless people themselves want to boogie into a bloodbath of civil war.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 03:38 PM (aYC4C)

337 I'd love to see Ric Grenell as head of the FBI

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 03:39 PM (RHGPo)

338 Else would be a very good vp pick

Posted by: Gonzotx at January 08, 2024 03:39 PM (MwHgU)

339 We really don't generally think of such unpleasantness but you can find examples all around the globe that when popular legitimacy goes, it really does not matter that the regime controls the institutions unless people themselves want to boogie into a bloodbath of civil war.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 03:38 PM (aYC4C)

The government relies on average people doing their jobs and working hard and paying their taxes after that. Even people opting out of working over 40 hours on salary jobs would have a huge effect on the country.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 08, 2024 03:40 PM (eoQWY)

340 Neri Oxman (Mrs. Bill Ackman)
@NeriOxman
I was forwarded an email this morning from a reporter at Business Insider who noted that there are four paragraphs in my 330-page PhD dissertation: “Material-based Design Computation,” which I completed at @MIT in 2010,

where I omitted quotation marks for certain work that I used. For each of the four paragraphs in question, I properly credited the original source's author(s) with references at the end of each of the subject paragraphs, and in the detailed bibliography end pages of the dissertation.

In these four paragraphs, however, I did not place the subject language in quotation marks, which would be the proper approach for crediting the work. I regret and apologize for these errors.

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 03:44 PM (RHGPo)

341 Did the thousand that were sentenced all do 'violence' against police and/or 'ransack' our Capitol? Buffalo Guy at least didn't, probably hundreds of those sentenced did nothing more than walk into the restricted areas and take pics. F*ck you Pence.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 08, 2024 02:36 PM (fs1hN)

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Perhaps if Buffalo Man had gay sex on Nancy's desk Pence the severe Christian would have been OK with it. Nancy would have been delighted.

Posted by: Decaf at January 08, 2024 03:45 PM (3JfbU)

342 Again, the J6 Op was similar to the Russia Collusion Op.

I'm fairly confident to a high degree of certainty that there were already "investigations" of many people on the organized J6 side in progress before that day ever happened.

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After 2020 riots began, we joined a local (rural) County Preparedness Team and began organizing a Neighborhood Protection group.

The County organization was affiliated with The Oathkeepers at the state level more than the national level (our leader was Leary of ?).

Anyway, it was well-known EVEN BACK THEN that the FBI had undercover agents attending our weekly meetings and embedded. It was frequently discussed to not allow yourselves to be entrapped by somebody encouraging violent actions.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 03:50 PM (4TuoE)

343 censor /sĕn′sər/
noun

1. A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.

_The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition •

Posted by: Braenyard at January 08, 2024 03:51 PM (csTMM)

344 *The County organization was affiliated with The Oathkeepers at the state level more than the national level (our leader was Leary of STEWART RHODES).

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 03:52 PM (4TuoE)

345 In Ackman’s view, the leftists have p***ed off the wrong guy. Following the above tweet, he went on offense. Could it possibly be that reporters at Business Insider, or others at MIT, might be living in glass houses? Well, yes, it could well be:

This experience has inspired me to save all news organizations from the trouble of doing plagiarism reviews.

We will begin with a review of the work of all current @MIT faculty members, President Kornbluth, other officers of the Corporation, and its board members for plagiarism.

We will be using MIT’s own plagiarism standards which can be found here:

https://integrity.mit.edu/handbook/what-plagiarism

We will share our findings in the public domain as they are completed in the spirit of transparency.

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 03:56 PM (RHGPo)

346 Is that actress who paid for her child to be accepted into one of these monasteries still in jail?

Posted by: Braenyard at January 08, 2024 04:03 PM (csTMM)

347 Look at the Chenny family and you'll discover a clan of perverts, crooks, and rogues. Who cares what this sewer dweller vomits forth. What I want to know is how she started congress with 7 million and left it 6 years later with 44million. Sounds like a trustworthy, ethnical, honorable person to me. Course I belong to the Gambino family.

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