THE MORNING RANT: Wind Energy is Facing Stiff Headwinds and Falling Apart (literally); also, It’s Time for “Energy Sanctuary States”

There is some welcome news regarding wind energy. These whale-killing, bird-chopping, "green" boondoggles that don’t produce any reliable electricity are facing some stiff headwinds, and in some cases, planned projects are now being canceled. The populace is turning against wind, the financing is no longer there, and existing wind projects are falling apart - literally.

What is especially heartening is that people are actually fighting to get existing wind farms torn down, successfully!

“Tribal sovereignty trumps wind in Oklahoma” [Politico – 01/04/2024]

A federal judge has just done something unusual — ordered the removal of an energy project that’s been generating power for nine years.
The December decision came as a shock even to the leaders of the Osage Nation, who have argued for more than a decade that the 84-turbine Osage Wind Farm interferes with the tribe’s mineral rights.
The Oklahoma district court agreed that the wind farm had to go to protect the Osage Nation’s sovereignty. The project’s developers — Osage Wind, Enel Kansas and Enel Green Power North America — failed to get mining leases, despite digging up and crushing rocks to use as support for the turbines.

Much praise to the Osage Nation for their persistence in winning this battle.

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An existing wind farm in France is also going to come down.

“Bird-slaying French wind farm must be demolished, judges rule” [Brussels Signal – 12/13/2023]

A French court has ruled that a controversial seven-turbine wind farm has to be demolished.
Only 40 pairs of Golden Eagles are known to live in the French Massive Central area, covering 15 per cent of the French mainland. In January, one was found dead at the Hérault site, apparently struck by a turbine blade. Prior to that, the bodies of a black vulture and hundreds of bats had been discovered.
In 2019 alone, more than 1,000 birds were reportedly found dead at the site. “This is a veritable graveyard at the foot of the wind turbines,” noted the environmental associations’ group lawyer Nicolas Gallon. Due to high wildlife mortality, the region’s prefect had ordered the wind turbines to be shut down in 2020. Local residents also complained about the loud noise made by the wind mills.

What’s not to love about wind energy. It slaughters birds, produces an awful noise, and despoils the landscape, all while producing zero kw of reliable energy.

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Future wind projects are also being killed off before they even start, including this one in New York.

“Equinor, BP cancel contract to sell offshore wind power to New York” [Reuters – 01/03/2024]

European energy firms Equinor and BP terminated their agreement to sell power to New York state from their proposed Empire Wind 2 offshore wind farm, citing rising inflation, higher borrowing costs, and supply chain issues.

Heh. “Supply chain issues” is a blanket excuse used by climatistas for every failed green endeavor, be it electric vehicles or “green energy.”

"This agreement reflects changed economic circumstances on an industry-wide scale and repositions an already mature project to continue development in anticipation of new offtake opportunities," Equinor said in a statement on Wednesday,

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It looked uncertain for a while, but it appears now that the Great Lakes will be spared from the nightmare of wind energy.

“Icebreaker Wind project halted, no plans to resurrect effort to put wind turbines in Lake Erie” [cleveland.com – 12/09/2023]

The Lake Erie Energy Development Corp., which several years ago seemed destined to achieve its goal to put six wind turbines in Lake Erie about eight miles off Cleveland, stated Friday it has “made the difficult decision to temporarily halt the Icebreaker Wind project.”
Icebreaker was to be the first freshwater wind farm in North America and a test to see if turbines could withstand the rigors of a frozen lake.

My wife has lovingly called me a “bird nerd” for my enjoyment of bird-watching, and my need to identify any bird that finds its way onto my property. I’m proud of my fellow bird nerds for their role in helping to turn the tide against unreliable wind energy projects.

But challenges from bird lovers and a lawsuit funded in part by a coal company managed to delay the project long enough to push away the developer and for rising interest rates to drive up the cost of materials and construction.

While I may eat birds, in addition to feeding them and watching them, I would never just kill a bird as a religious sacrament, but that is what the wind energy industry is asking us to allow. Since wind produces zero kw of reliable electricity, every bird killed by a wind turbine is a senseless killing.

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Back in August I wrote about the Hermanville wind farm in Prince Edward Island, Canada, and how rapidly the 10-turbine wind farm was failing. In less than 10 years from commencing operations in 2014, the $60 million “green” project was only producing 40% of the electricity it did when it was new. This correlated to the fact that only 4 of the 10 turbines were still functioning at all.

The situation with this failed wind farm just got a lot worse…

“Vicious winds tear 2 blades off wind turbine in Hermanville, P.E.I.” [CBC – 12/22/2023]

One of the wind turbines in Hermanville, P.E.I., had two of its blades completely torn off as powerful winds raged across the province this week.

As awful as the wind energy boondoggle is, and as much as I’ve covered it, I had no idea until now that a non-operational turbine is at increased risk for dangerous dismemberment compared to a functioning turbine.

Because the turbine wasn't operating, the blades were stationary and couldn't move with the wind, so they were completely ripped off.

Somehow the story gets even worse. As Beege Welborn reports at Hotair , an engineer’s report in 2022 had warned of the danger of these potential missiles:

P.E.I. wind turbines at ‘high risk of imminent failure,’ consultant warned province in 2022
A consultant hired in 2022 to assess production problems at a wind farm owned by the P.E.I. government found severe damage, with turbine units possibly constituting a safety hazard and turbine blades at “high risk of imminent failure.”

Much like the Net Zero fanatics who are willing to starve and freeze people to death in pursuit of their fantasy, the “green energy” zealots are willing to risk innocent lives in pursuit of their fantasy.

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You’d think that wind turbines should be able to withstand the wind, but that is apparently not the case. Yet another wind turbine was ripped to shreds in Scotland two weeks ago. Take a look at this shocking video from Ayrshire.

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Since all green energy, including wind, is unreliable and cannot fuel modern civilization, it is necessary to save the petroleum industry from those eco-communists who are determined to kill it off. Here’s an idea, how about conservative states declaring themselves “Energy Sanctuary States”?

A distinguishing feature of the “new right” versus establishment conservatives is that establishment conservatives take great pride in allowing the left to advance their agenda, so long as we on the right unilaterally uphold norms and principles in our defeat. The new right believes in fighting back and playing by the new rules.

The whole “sanctuary” movement has been accepted as legitimate, even when it is in defiance of federal law, so if “sanctuary states” can exist for illegal aliens and for marijuana, then the next generation of conservative leaders on the right needs to start proclaiming their states to be “Energy Sanctuaries.” (Hello, Greg Abbott.)

“Why 2024 Needs to Be the Year of the Energy Sanctuary State” [Real Clear Energy – 12/22/2023]

The concept of sanctuary states is used extensively by those on the left, usually around immigration and drugs. However, it can and should be extended to the energy sector.
The new year is an ideal time for states to embrace their energy sovereignty. Such states would be able to contend with burdensome federal regulations by focusing on delivering reliable and affordable energy to their citizens. The left has decided to ignore federal immigration and drug laws. Let’s apply the same treatment to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the rest of Joe Biden’s Green New Army.

Exactly! If the left can simply decide to ignore immigration and drug laws, Texas, Louisiana, etc. can choose to ignore laws imposing restrictions on the petroleum industry.

There is no doubt the left will howl, scream, and sue when the first Governor has the courage to buck nonsensical federal rules. However, look at images of the border, or of rampant crime as a stark reminder of the federal government’s willingness to flout its own laws. If leftists love state’s rights when they make marijuana legal, they should love them just as much when a governor clears the way for new pipelines and power plants.

The idea of “energy sanctuary states” is ultimately a humanitarian idea. Without reliable carbon-based energy, people will suffer. Red state governors should proudly proclaim that the anti-humanist, net zero agenda stops at their borders, and that the petroleum industry that fuels civilization may safely seek shelter and refuge in such states.

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Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:00 AM (Zp1WF)

2 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at January 08, 2024 11:00 AM (1Yy3c)

3 Rants on wind and solar power are so easy because they just don't provide the base line energy civilization needs/requires.
And that is the point of the exercise for the elite WEF.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 08, 2024 11:02 AM (Zxm6t)

4 What’s not to love about wind energy. It slaughters birds, produces an awful noise, and despoils the landscape, all while producing zero kw of reliable energy.
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Why do you hate your Earth-Mother?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:02 AM (Zp1WF)

5 My Taco Bell wind project marches forward.

Posted by: Chris Christi at January 08, 2024 11:02 AM (viprb)

6 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 08, 2024 11:02 AM (T4tVD)

7 Wonder what a set of bearings cost for one of those?

Posted by: BignJames at January 08, 2024 11:03 AM (AwYPR)

8 European energy firms Equinor and BP terminated their agreement to sell power to New York state from their proposed Empire Wind 2 offshore wind farm, citing rising inflation, higher borrowing costs, and supply chain issues.
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So to whom will they be selling the energy? Or is this a less-precise and firm way of saying, "we're canceling our proposed Empire Wind 2 offshore wind farm?"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:03 AM (Zp1WF)

9 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 08, 2024 11:03 AM (9gDA7)

10 "Green energy" is ghey and it's shit's all retarded.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 08, 2024 11:04 AM (Q4IgG)

11 Is that freighter loaded with Lith-Ion batteries still afire or has it sunk?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:06 AM (P6iYF)

12 Back in August I wrote about the Hermanville wind farm in Prince Edward Island, Canada, and how rapidly the 10-turbine wind farm was failing. In less than 10 years from commencing operations in 2014, the $60 million “green” project was only producing 40% of the electricity it did when it was new. This correlated to the fact that only 4 of the 10 turbines were still functioning at all.
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As you drive by some America's gigantic wind farms, count the number that aren't spinning (assuming that the wind is blowing in the right direction, of course). Those are usually the windmills that are broken. They lock them up to prevent pinwheeling and further damage, and just leave them "off."

Maintenance is a bitch and a half and its extremely expensive. There are subsidies galore to install a windmill, but then usually damn little to maintain it. When a windmill fails, it's far cheaper to just lock it and pretend it doesn't exist. Some big wind farms will periodically cannibalize broken windmills to make some subset of them functional again (10 broken becomes six functional and four dismembered, for example), but even that is expensive and it doesn't work unless you have a big wind f

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (Zp1WF)

13 Much like the Net Zero fanatics who are willing to starve and freeze people to death in pursuit of their fantasy, the “green energy” zealots are willing to risk innocent lives in pursuit of their fantasy.
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Willing?

Enthusiastic about.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (Zp1WF)

14 Greta Thunberg, High Priestess, will be forced to deal with the Osage.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (H/5eJ)

15 Much praise to the Osage Nation for their persistence in winning this battle.

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Maybe they'll replace it with The Downwind Casino.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (sR4ST)

16 The cool thing about wind turbines is the spectacular way in which they often fail. Fire, explosion, and flying debris. Similar to lithium ion batteries.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (kzHlT)

17 A wind turbine can last 20 years. Not a good ROI.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (P6iYF)

18 Exactly! If the left can simply decide to ignore immigration and drug laws, Texas, Louisiana, etc. can choose to ignore laws imposing restrictions on the petroleum industry.
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LOL NOPE.

Posted by: SCOTUS at January 08, 2024 11:08 AM (Zp1WF)

19 great content bravo

Posted by: doug at January 08, 2024 11:08 AM (8/lc0)

20 Methane capture butt plugs required for all!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at January 08, 2024 11:08 AM (Bqsd4)

21 Report: Scientists at ExCel Energy are working on a process to turn thousands of killed birds' carcasses into a new type of biofuel.

Presenting...

...Goose-oline

Posted by: Muldoon at January 08, 2024 11:09 AM (991eG)

22 It’s Time for “Energy Sanctuary States”

No coal for you!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:09 AM (ous9O)

23 Methane capture butt plugs required for all!
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at January 08, 2024 11:08 AM (Bqsd4)
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And yet, thanks to vicissitudes of politics, I ended up at Transportation instead of Energy.

:: kicks dirt ::

Posted by: Pete Boot-edge-edge at January 08, 2024 11:09 AM (Zp1WF)

24 Icebreaker was to be the first freshwater wind farm in North America and a test to see if turbines could withstand the rigors of a frozen lake.
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I thought Cleveland was steaming??

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 11:09 AM (2yu8s)

25 The cool thing about wind turbines is the spectacular way in which they often fail. Fire, explosion, and flying debris. Similar to lithium ion batteries.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (kzHlT)
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Failing with style!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 11:09 AM (7fElN)

26 So to whom will they be selling the energy? Or is this a less-precise and firm way of saying, "we're canceling our proposed Empire Wind 2 offshore wind farm?"
Posted by: Joe Mannix

They were going to put them off Long Island and sell to NY at a contracted rate.
The interest rates have gone up and the corps figured out they would no longer make any money on the deal. They said 'we're out of here unless you let us rebid'.
NY is allowing a rebid at higher rates is the last I read.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 08, 2024 11:09 AM (Zxm6t)

27 "Greta von Thule, some scalp. Pass." - Iroquois warrior.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:09 AM (P6iYF)

28 Local residents also complained about the loud noise made by the wind mills.

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Maybe they'll replace it with pickleball courts.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 11:10 AM (sR4ST)

29 Realist: Without oil and gas, the world cannot sustain its current population. If we do not utilize petroleum, less than half that number can live.

Enviro-Nazi: Exactly.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 11:10 AM (lTGtQ)

30
energy sanctuary states

Weary through travelers will stop in these sanctuary states en route and ask if they can pause to charge their EVs. And the sanctuarians will whisper, "No".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 08, 2024 11:10 AM (xG4kz)

31 In 400 years, someone is going to look at the remains of these things and wonder just what in the hell those people were thinking. Windmills are like giant totem poles built to appease the angry gods of a primitive people.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (z+KLG)

32 Maintenance is a bitch and a half and its extremely expensive. There are subsidies galore to install a windmill, but then usually damn little to maintain it. When a windmill fails, it's far cheaper to just lock it and pretend it doesn't exist. Some big wind farms will periodically cannibalize broken windmills to make some subset of them functional again (10 broken becomes six functional and four dismembered, for example), but even that is expensive and it doesn't work unless you have a big wind f
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (Zp1WF)
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This is pretty typical of government-funded projects. There's tons of money available to BUILD a new project (with lots of opportunities for graft built into the funding), but precious little desire to fund long-term maintenance and support, so ultimately the project WILL fail and fall apart over time.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (7fElN)

33 Methane capture butt plugs required for all!
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism

Some days I could power LA.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (ous9O)

34 Thank you Buck, for following the green boondoggles so closely and reporting fact after fact about all of them, wind (and renewables generally), grid (in)stability, EV's, and electric busses.

You do a great job.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (H/5eJ)

35 The left: We need to reduce the amount of power we use to save Gaia

Also the left: We need to import 10s of millions of third worlders and give them enough money to buy things that use electricity

Also also the left: And here's a big credit to buy EVs

Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (ibTVg)

36 Wind blows.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (9gDA7)

37 Can we do solar farms now that cook the birds instead of chops them in half?

Posted by: Jaimo at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (DBrN4)

38 Beautiful picture Buck.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 08, 2024 11:12 AM (csTMM)

39 We have more then enough coal to almost certainly last civilization forever.

Make Coal Great Again

Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2024 11:12 AM (ibTVg)

40 “all green energy, including wind, is unreliable”

There is one source that is clean, reliable and cheap. That is hydro power. And of course the left is fighting to get rid of it. Cuz a fish or two may be inconvenienced.

Wash state has been dismantling dams across the state, all while preaching green this and green that. It’s 1984 style shit.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:12 AM (eQHI/)

41 As you drive by some America's gigantic wind farms, count the number that aren't spinning

Also demonstrated daily during TV weather reports with a live camera here in SoCal.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at January 08, 2024 11:12 AM (Bqsd4)

42 Can we do solar farms now that cook the birds instead of chops them in half?
Posted by: Jaimo at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (DBrN4)
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We need some sort of combination energy plant that can de-feather, chop then cook the bird in one complex.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:12 AM (Zp1WF)

43 Realist: Without oil and gas, the world cannot sustain its current population. If we do not utilize petroleum, less than half that number can live.

Enviro-Nazi: Exactly.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

We'll start with the blue blood elites that have never worked a day in their life.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (ous9O)

44 Crow Cuisinart's

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (4p0Xq)

45 Methane capture butt plugs required for all!
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism

Some days I could power LA.
Posted by: rickb223

Let us know you're vegetarian without telling us.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (Zxm6t)

46 What’s not to love about wind energy. It slaughters birds, produces an awful noise, and despoils the landscape, all while producing zero kw of reliable energy.

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Out: "Unintended" Consequences.
In: "Unexpected" Consequences.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (sR4ST)

47 In 400 years, someone is going to look at the remains of these things and wonder just what in the hell those people were thinking. Windmills are like giant totem poles built to appease the angry gods of a primitive people.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (z+KLG)

Windmill w/no grain mill/water pump?

Posted by: BignJames at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (AwYPR)

48 I don't get the noise complaints about wind turbines. I live two miles south of a big wind installation in Alberta, and I don't hear a damned thing. Even driving up to them when they are spinning, all I hear is a "swish" as the blades pass by. Now my hearing is far from good, and maybe I simply cannot hear sound at all in the ranges where wind turbines produce "unpleasant noise".

Buck, if you are not following Brian Zinchuk's blog, Pipeline Online, check it out. He covers the energy beat pretty thoroughly:

http://tinyurl.com/2yvb2yp8

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (tkR6S)

49 Wonder what a set of bearings cost for one of those?
Posted by: BignJames at January 08, 2024 11:03 AM (AwYPR)

And the oil, just plain old petroleum oil, needed to keep them lubed is at least 10 gallons. Won't the Net Zero people be surprised when *their allies* declare that now the abominations must be removed because they can't function without large amounts of oil.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (nC+QA)

50 A quixotic rant.

Posted by: spindrift at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (AA8bA)

51 We need some sort of combination energy plant that can de-feather, chop then cook the bird in one complex.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

We can call it Tyson.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (ous9O)

52 A wind turbine can last 20 years. Not a good ROI.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (P6iYF)

Add to that the fact that solar panels have a shelf life of maybe 10 years and the storage batteries maybe 7......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (9gDA7)

53 There is one source that is clean, reliable and cheap. That is hydro power. And of course the left is fighting to get rid of it. Cuz a fish or two may be inconvenienced.

Wash state has been dismantling dams across the state, all while preaching green this and green that. It’s 1984 style shit.
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:12 AM (eQHI/)
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Hydro is wonderful and damn near the perfect energy source, but there isn't (and can't be) nearly enough of it. If you geography is conducive to it, though, it's spectacular - especially when it is essentially a "free rider" on dams otherwise needed anyway for flood control or reservoirs.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:14 AM (Zp1WF)

54 And the oil, just plain old petroleum oil, needed to keep them lubed is at least 10 gallons. Won't the Net Zero people be surprised when *their allies* declare that now the abominations must be removed because they can't function without large amounts of oil.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette

Closer to 55 gallons.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:14 AM (ous9O)

55 Methane capture butt plugs required for all!

I like the cut of your jizz.

Posted by: Mayor Buttplug at January 08, 2024 11:14 AM (4p0Xq)

56 Icebreaker was to be the first freshwater wind farm in North America and a test to see if turbines could withstand the rigors of a frozen lake.
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Frozen lake? Aren't palm trees growing along the lakeshore in Cleveland from all the global warming?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 08, 2024 11:14 AM (fs1hN)

57 41 As you drive by some America's gigantic wind farms, count the number that aren't spinning

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Absolutely. If 50% of the are operational it’s a good day.
Lol

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:14 AM (eQHI/)

58 So we're finally starting to break Big Wind?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 08, 2024 11:14 AM (jA9ul)

59 Can we do solar farms now that cook the birds instead of chops them in half?
Posted by: Jaimo at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (DBrN4)
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We need some sort of combination energy plant that can de-feather, chop then cook the bird in one complex.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:12 AM (Zp1WF)
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New entrepreneurial opportunity: A restaurant located next to a solar farm which is next to a wind farm...

"The Sky Kill Cafe"

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 11:14 AM (7fElN)

60 Since we're discussing state's rights, Peter Zeihan has an interesting (and wrong) video this morning on the disconnect between the current system of states making their own voting systems, and Trump's call for more national rules. Zeihan argues that MAGA is inconsistent here, and he has a point.

http://tinyurl.com/3bax65ww

The problem is that it's already a mix. If he says that the states get to make the rules, even if it's for a national election, then I guess he's calling for the abolition of the Voting Rights Act. States can apparently go back to poll taxes and the like.

Pick one, Peter.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:14 AM (CsUN+)

61 In 400 years, someone is going to look at the remains of these things and wonder just what in the hell those people were thinking. Windmills are like giant totem poles built to appease the angry gods of a primitive people.
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Ritual.

Posted by: a 2424 archeologist at January 08, 2024 11:14 AM (2yu8s)

62 wind turbine can last 20 years. Not a good ROI.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (P6iYF)

Add to that the fact that solar panels have a shelf life of maybe 10 years and the storage batteries maybe 7......
Posted by: Sponge

All with highly toxic chemicals involved.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:15 AM (ous9O)

63 I don't get the noise complaints about wind turbines. I live two miles south of a big wind installation in Alberta, and I don't hear a damned thing. Even driving up to them when they are spinning, all I hear is a "swish" as the blades pass by. Now my hearing is far from good, and maybe I simply cannot hear sound at all in the ranges where wind turbines produce "unpleasant noise". ...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (tkR6S)
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Huh. The "unpleasant noise" is usually a low hum, which is the last part of hearing to go. I don't know if all windmills make that noise or not.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:15 AM (Zp1WF)

64 A quixotic rant.
Posted by: spindrift at January 08, 2024 11:13 AM (AA8bA)
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Roll it up. We're done here.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:15 AM (Zp1WF)

65 "The project’s developers — Osage Wind, Enel Kansas and Enel Green Power North America — failed to get mining leases, despite digging up and crushing rocks to use as support for the turbines."

While I'm ok with pointing out the follies of "green" "energy," this seems like more a win for administrative state power than anything else. "Sure, you got a construction permit from Ed in 403, but you forgot to stop and see Julia in 278 about a mining permit as well. Both skids need to be greased before your project is truly approved" Not sure it should be celebrated.

Especially if it was influenced by a freaking movie, as seems to be implicated in the article.

Posted by: brainy435 at January 08, 2024 11:15 AM (cXPTC)

66 20 Methane capture butt plugs required for all!
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism
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The amusing thing is given that methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 that we should burn it in order to reduce greenhouse effect.

I find most of the 'climate change' evidence weak The religious insistence by greenies that we ignore nuclear power, remove the dams giving us hydroelectric power, and not exploit passive and cheap technologies like augmenting solar heating or cooling makes me think it is a racket. And it is most probably a racket funded by this country's worst enemies abroad and inside this country.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:15 AM (aYC4C)

67 There is some welcome news regarding wind energy. These whale-killing, bird-chopping, "green" boondoggles that don’t produce any reliable electricity are facing some stiff headwinds, and in some cases, planned projects are now being canceled. The populace is turning against wind, the financing is no longer there, and existing wind projects are falling apart - literally.

Knowledgeable experts in the electric industry tried to tell the green turds that these things were a boondoggle that would not work. Nothing would satisfy them but to spend millions that went into pockets and did nothing.

Posted by: vic at January 08, 2024 11:16 AM (A5THL)

68 So, I was nearing the end of Frank Capra's filmography, and there's a nearly 10 year gap at the end. In this period, he made a series of animated educational films, one of which is titled "Our Mr. Sun". Here it is in full:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBwZ6UT0mMI

It is...shockingly apocalyptic in intent but cheery on the surface.

Did you know that we're all going to run out of energy by the mid-70s? That the only way to prevent it is to come up with paints that glow in the dark and paint entire cities in it in order to save on energy bills?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 11:16 AM (GBKbO)

69 We need some sort of combination energy plant that can de-feather, chop then cook the bird in one complex.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:12 AM (Zp1WF)

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The Osage Nation will sue to prevent any de-feathering facility on their tribal lands.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 11:16 AM (sR4ST)

70 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:07 AM (Zp1WF)

It appears to be a part of human nature to fail to account for maintenance costs when purchasing an asset.

I have a theory that this failure is why Southern slave owners were so often going bankrupt.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 08, 2024 11:16 AM (nC+QA)

71 Let us know you're vegetarian without telling us.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

BBQ, beans & fried cabbage with bacon.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:17 AM (ous9O)

72 In 400 years, someone is going to look at the remains of these things and wonder just what in the hell those people were thinking. Windmills are like giant totem poles built to appease the angry gods of a primitive people.
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You Maniacs! You blew it! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Posted by: Charlton Heston as George Taylor in Planet of the Apes at January 08, 2024 11:17 AM (fs1hN)

73 And the oil, just plain old petroleum oil, needed to keep them lubed is at least 10 gallons. Won't the Net Zero people be surprised when *their allies* declare that now the abominations must be removed because they can't function without large amounts of oil.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette

More like 50 gallons minimum, and for a 4 megawatt windmill, it is over 500 gallons.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 11:17 AM (lTGtQ)

74 The protests currently happening in Germany are primarily about energy costs, as brought about by the Green Government, although many other factors are also in play. But the German Government is raising the price of diesel fuel to the point where the farmers are saying it will force them all to shut down.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:18 AM (i9ffA)

75 The cool thing about wind turbines is the spectacular way in which they often fail. Fire, explosion, and flying debris. Similar to lithium ion batteries.
Posted by: Xipe Totec
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Ooooo. I could make a model wind farm!

Posted by: Gomez Addams at January 08, 2024 11:18 AM (XeU6L)

76 74 The protests currently happening in Germany are primarily about energy costs, as brought about by the Green Government, although many other factors are also in play. But the German Government is raising the price of diesel fuel to the point where the farmers are saying it will force them all to shut down.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:18 AM (i9ffA)

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People who predicted were wrong because their intent was bad.

People who said this wouldn't happen were right because their intent was good.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 11:18 AM (GBKbO)

77 But the German Government is raising the price of diesel fuel to the point where the farmers are saying it will force them all to shut down.

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Just eat zee bugs.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:19 AM (eQHI/)

78 Did you know that we're all going to run out of energy by the mid-70s? That the only way to prevent it is to come up with paints that glow in the dark and paint entire cities in it in order to save on energy bills?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Malthus was wrong; Borlaug was right. Neither of which most yutes nowadays have heard of.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:19 AM (aYC4C)

79 Legal Insurrection

National Park Service wants to rehabilitate Welcome Park in Philadelphia by removing the statue of William Penn.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:19 AM (P6iYF)

80 James, saw a bit of a movie called Sisu. WTF?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 11:20 AM (8fLIj)

81 78 Malthus was wrong; Borlaug was right. Neither of which most yutes nowadays have heard of.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:19 AM (aYC4C)

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"Listen, if people have been predicting the end of the world for decades because of industrialization, that must mean that there's good reason for it. I trust experts. They've been studying this for a long time."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 11:20 AM (GBKbO)

82 Malthus was wrong; Borlaug was right.

Malthus was correct for a fixed system. The problem is that neither he, nor anyone else, understood the impact of advancing science and technology.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:20 AM (CsUN+)

83 Malthus was wrong; Borlaug was right. Neither of which most yutes nowadays have heard of.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:19 AM (aYC4C)

Do they have a YouTube Chanel?

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:20 AM (eQHI/)

84 45 Methane capture butt plugs required for all!
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism
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Switzerland, I think, is installing balloons in cattle anuses to capture and resell methane.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 08, 2024 11:20 AM (csTMM)

85 Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:19 AM (P6iYF)

What's the problem with William Penn? White male?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2024 11:20 AM (RSbhh)

86 Is it not true that there have been more Wind disasters causing more damage than ever have with nuclear? Chernobyl notwithstanding, that was caused by communism more than a problem with the technology.

Posted by: Drunken Yoda at January 08, 2024 11:20 AM (gQsiO)

87 More like 50 gallons minimum, and for a 4 megawatt windmill, it is over 500 gallons.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

I wish we could post pictures here. I have a couple from where they blew a seal. (Pun intended)

Shit running everywhere. It would come close to a superfund site.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:21 AM (ous9O)

88 On this day in 1964: The longest war the US was ever involved in began.

LBJ calls for ‘war on poverty’ in America, 60 years ago today

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 11:21 AM (RHGPo)

89 Did you know that we're all going to run out of energy by the mid-70s? That the only way to prevent it is to come up with paints that glow in the dark and paint entire cities in it in order to save on energy bills?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 11:16 AM (GBKbO)

You get hints in that belief all through the dystopian films of the mid-70's, combined with the common (but now denied) belief that a new Ice Age was coming. (See Paul Newman's Quintet)

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:22 AM (i9ffA)

90 It appears to be a part of human nature to fail to account for maintenance costs when purchasing an asset. ...
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 08, 2024 11:16 AM (nC+QA)
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Yup. I once played with the numbers for how much I would have to have saved to survive on radically reduced income for the last 20 or 30 years before retirement age. It was a lot of money. I was talking about it with a friend who was incredulous at the number I came up with. But nobody considers maintenance costs adequately.

Mine wasn't even a conservative number. In 20 years, the house would need a roof. I'll need at least two of each major appliance. I'll need a new HVAC system. I'll need at least one and possibly two automobiles. There will also be one-off unscheduled repairs that will average some large amount per year. Then, of course, there's inflation.

Keeping something going - hell, keeping *anything* going - is expensive.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:22 AM (Zp1WF)

91 We need some sort of combination energy plant that can de-feather, chop then cook the bird in one complex.

Posted by: Joe Mannix
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A combined solar concentrator/wind farm could deliver ready-to-eat fowl directly to your plate.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 08, 2024 11:22 AM (XeU6L)

92 Huh. The "unpleasant noise" is usually a low hum, which is the last part of hearing to go. I don't know if all windmills make that noise or not.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:15 AM (Zp1WF)

I thought it might be infrasound: pressure waves much less than 16 Hz, which we cannot "hear" but can experience as unsettling.

Understand I am in no way defending these stupid things; just saying that in my personal experience, the noise is not an issue.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 11:22 AM (tkR6S)

93 And the sanctuarians will whisper, "No".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 08, 2024 11:10 AM (xG4kz)

Ironically, they will be able to say " Sure!" and the rate will be lower. That's what energy independence does.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 08, 2024 11:22 AM (nC+QA)

94 89 You get hints in that belief all through the dystopian films of the mid-70's, combined with the common (but now denied) belief that a new Ice Age was coming. (See Paul Newman's Quintet)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:22 AM (i9ffA)

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Our Mr. Sun was made in the early 50s. I really didn't think the high-end environmental doomsaying went back that far.

I guess it was just hidden a bit better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 11:23 AM (GBKbO)

95
Mine wasn't even a conservative number. In 20 years, the house would need a roof. I'll need at least two of each major appliance. I'll need a new HVAC system. I'll need at least one and possibly two automobiles. There will also be one-off unscheduled repairs that will average some large amount per year. Then, of course, there's inflation.

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You could always rent.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:23 AM (eQHI/)

96 Keeping something going - hell, keeping *anything* going - is expensive.

Amateurs talk purchase price. Professionals talk system lifecycle costs.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)

97 I thought it might be infrasound: pressure waves much less than 16 Hz, which we cannot "hear" but can experience as unsettling.

Understand I am in no way defending these stupid things; just saying that in my personal experience, the noise is not an issue.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 11:22 AM (tkR6S)
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Yeah, that could also be it - really low-frequency you feel more than hear. I don't know directly since I've never lived near a wind farm.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:23 AM (Zp1WF)

98 Joe Rogan has a good post on the viability of man.

https://t.ly/YaTgj

Posted by: Braenyard at January 08, 2024 11:24 AM (csTMM)

99 We need some sort of combination energy plant that can de-feather, chop then cook the bird in one complex.

Posted by: Joe Mannix

1. Study migration routes
2. Install wind farm
3. Install solar farm on the bird fall path.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 11:24 AM (lTGtQ)

100 Holy shit! I knew wind energy was boondoggle but I had no idea how bad it is.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 08, 2024 11:24 AM (FVME7)

101 I seem to recall reading that the turbine blades cannot be recycled or simply disposed of, much like East German Trabants. There is a town in Texas where they are getting dumped and nobody knows how to get rid of them.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 08, 2024 11:24 AM (0EOe9)

102 I thought it might be infrasound: pressure waves much less than 16 Hz, which we cannot "hear" but can experience as unsettling.

That's what is messing with sea life with the off-shore windmills.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:24 AM (ous9O)

103 I seem to recall reading that the turbine blades cannot be recycled or simply disposed of, much like East German Trabants. There is a town in Texas where they are getting dumped and nobody knows how to get rid of them.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

They are simply burying them.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:25 AM (ous9O)

104 We have to save the whales by killing the whales.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:25 AM (eQHI/)

105 "This agreement reflects changed economic circumstances on an industry-wide scale and repositions an already mature project to continue development in anticipation of new offtake opportunities," Equinor said in a statement on Wednesday,

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What fresh new hellish buzzword jargon is this?

* quick search *

"The amount or value of goods taken off the market; a deduction."

But, of course ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 11:25 AM (sR4ST)

106 It’s apparently not enough that someone as successful as Taylor Swift is a diehard ally of the LGBT community; she has to be a part of that community, even if she won’t admit it. That’s what New York Times opinion writer Anna Marks, who is apparently a lesbian herself, decided to do.

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 11:25 AM (RHGPo)

107 You could always rent.
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:23 AM (eQHI/)
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Yup. Renting over the same period will typically be more expensive but also more flexible and with lower liability, though there are other problems on a long enough timeline. It's difficult to retire if you still have to pay rent (or a mortgage). Retirement is much, much, much more achievable if you own your residence outright and so can contain costs to a predictable and manageable level in time for your income to collapse.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:26 AM (Zp1WF)

108 BS, all.

If any of it was sincere, there would not be a zillion Wawas, Sheetz', Royal Farms, yada, yada, every expanding, pumping gas & selling "fast" foods & drinks in plastic containers & bags and employing the people not crammed into the tech industry or government.

Investments, the markets. Nothing but new "investments" & funds since the nature of oil/gas ran its course for creating 'new wealth' and/or 'generational wealth.' Now for DIE, they pretend it is, or will be, a level playing field.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear. They only have to outrun us - for now at January 08, 2024 11:26 AM (GshMh)

109 99 We need some sort of combination energy plant that can de-feather, chop then cook the bird in one complex.

Posted by: Joe Mannix

1. Study migration routes
2. Install wind farm
3. Install solar farm on the bird fall path.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 11:24 AM (lTGtQ)

/mulls over implementation in Minecraft

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 08, 2024 11:26 AM (DTX3h)

110 TAYTAY is gay? Hooray!

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:26 AM (eQHI/)

111 National Park Service wants to rehabilitate Welcome Park in Philadelphia by removing the statue of William Penn.
Posted by: Anna Puma

They could hire Puddinhead to do it.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 08, 2024 11:26 AM (9yWhg)

112 It’s apparently not enough that someone as successful as Taylor Swift is a diehard ally of the LGBT community; she has to be a part of that community, even if she won’t admit it. That’s what New York Times opinion writer Anna Marks, who is apparently a lesbian herself, decided to do.

It's good to know that we've solved all of our other problems and can focus on this.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:26 AM (CsUN+)

113 So, the whales in Lake Erie are safe for now?

Posted by: Blubbering Fool at January 08, 2024 11:27 AM (V5BDR)

114 I seem to recall reading that the turbine blades cannot be recycled or simply disposed of, much like East German Trabants. There is a town in Texas where they are getting dumped and nobody knows how to get rid of them.

Posted by: bill in arkansas

Yes, they are carbon fiber and fiberglass, and are technically toxic waste. There are pits in Big Lake, Texas and another in Wyoming where they dump the blades. I think the average lifespan of a blade is 5-7 years, if it doesn't fail early due to the wind.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 11:27 AM (lTGtQ)

115 The Energy Sanctuary State is a good idea, but I can only think of 8 states that would have the ability to pull that off currently: Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Alaska. In theory California could, but they'll never make the effort, they've destroyed too much already.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:27 AM (i9ffA)

116 There has always been a doomsday movement they just get better press these days.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 08, 2024 11:27 AM (csTMM)

117 91 A combined solar concentrator/wind farm could deliver ready-to-eat fowl directly to your plate.

solar concentrator alone should be enough:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanpah_Solar_Power_Facility

During the trial of the plant in September 2013, thirty-four dead birds were found at the plant. Fifteen had heavily burned feathers, which staff at the plant referred to as "streamers" because they were burned in flight by the intense radiation from the heliostat mirrors. From February through June 2014, a team of biologists monitoring the number of bird deaths reported a total of 290.

Posted by: anachronda at January 08, 2024 11:28 AM (sGtp+)

118 Closer to 55 gallons.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:14 AM (ous9O)

I was pretty sure that was the case, but couldn't remember for sure and didn't want to overstate.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 08, 2024 11:28 AM (nC+QA)

119 There has always been a doomsday movement they just get better press these days.

I told you we'd be back.

Posted by: Flagellants at January 08, 2024 11:28 AM (CsUN+)

120 Malthus was correct for a fixed system. The problem is that neither he, nor anyone else, understood the impact of advancing science and technology.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Nope what he essentially did was project the recent past into the future and it was essentially the same as a climatologist declaring THIS year is the hottest year and so forth. Malthus was thoroughly ignorant of model testing and is an example where spitballing pure reasoning fails.

Time series and separating trends in human society are in actuality very difficult analyses when it comes to describing nature because you cannot simply separate control and test groups.

There have been multiple examples in history where human births peak and then decline that have nothing to do with Malthus and his doom mongering.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM (aYC4C)

121 My wife has lovingly called me a “bird nerd” for my enjoyment of bird-watching, and my need to identify any bird that finds its way onto my property.

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* ShainS and his binoculars have entered the chat *

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM (QZtoT)

122 Mannix,

Remember though when you sell the house, you invest the money, which if done well should pay the rent every year. Without any hassles like a new roof.

I know I won’t need a house as big as what I have today when I’m retired. A 2 bedroom apartment will be all my wife and I need. No need for the 4 bedroom, 3 bathroom house.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM (eQHI/)

123 "What’s not to love about wind energy. It slaughters birds, produces an awful noise, and despoils the landscape, all while producing zero kw of reliable energy."

Twenty-five words of truth.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM (EY5c9)

124 So how many trips via catapult to cook a turkey with those mirrors?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM (P6iYF)

125 The only "green" energy worth using is nuclear. But the leftist democrat looney tunes had to get hollyweird involved with that propaganda piece "The Chinaman Syndrome" and then 3 Mile Island almost happened and then the Soviets had that obsolete Sonny and Cher noble thingee go down and now everyone's afraid of what mankind should be the master of, Atomic Power.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM (Edu7X)

126 I can see the "energy crisis" materializing before my eyes. Soon, by junta decree, my ability to purchase gasoline will be curtailed, my electricity cut on odd days and the propane to heat my home banned.

Thus, when I complain about things to my commissar they can pretend to be concerned and urge me to cast my "vote" properly next time.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM (Q4IgG)

127 Energy Sanctuary States sounds like an awesome idea. What should also be explored is to punish states that grand stand on their claim that all energy produced in their state is renewable. Vermont - I'm looking at you.

Nobody asks how much energy they import (a LOT).

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 08, 2024 11:30 AM (N39Ws)

128 Malthus was correct for a fixed system. The problem is that neither he, nor anyone else, understood the impact of advancing science and technology.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Nope what he essentially did was project the recent past into the future and it was essentially the same as a climatologist declaring THIS year is the hottest year and so forth. Malthus was thoroughly ignorant of model testing and is an example where spitballing pure reasoning fails.

Time series and separating trends in human society are in actuality very difficult analyses when it comes to describing nature because you cannot simply separate control and test groups.

There have been multiple examples in history where human births peak and then decline that have nothing to do with Malthus and his doom mongering.

Sounds like you're describing other than a fixed system.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:30 AM (CsUN+)

129 In 400 years, someone is going to look at the remains of these things and wonder just what in the hell those people were thinking.

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As we gaze at the Nazca lines today and ponder, "Da fuq?"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 08, 2024 11:30 AM (FVME7)

130 Remember though when you sell the house, you invest the money, which if done well should pay the rent every year. Without any hassles like a new roof.

I know I won’t need a house as big as what I have today when I’m retired. A 2 bedroom apartment will be all my wife and I need. No need for the 4 bedroom, 3 bathroom house.
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM (eQHI/)
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Sure, but that assumes that you owned the real estate and some point and were able to capitalize on it (e.g., have equity).

I took your comment to be more, "rent for life" rather than "own, cash out, convert to cashflow, rent." That's a very different scenario from what I was assuming.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:30 AM (Zp1WF)

131 83 Malthus was wrong; Borlaug was right. Neither of which most yutes nowadays have heard of.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:19 AM (aYC4C)

Paul Erlich's entire claim to fame was that he found an old copy of Malthus and rewrote it in the 60's, pretending it was all new and his own scholarly work. He made all the same errors that Malthus had made, and added some of his own.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:30 AM (i9ffA)

132 My wife has lovingly called me a “bird nerd” for my enjoyment of bird-watching, and my need to identify any bird that finds its way onto my property.

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Posted by: ShainS

*painted buntings have entered the chat

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:31 AM (ous9O)

133 124 So how many trips via catapult to cook a turkey with those mirrors?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM (P6iYF)

Be safer than using a turkey fryer. Definitely more fun too. Trebuchets for the win.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 08, 2024 11:31 AM (N39Ws)

134 The wind turbines kill bats, too.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 08, 2024 11:31 AM (9yWhg)

135 Wind energy mostly blows.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 08, 2024 11:31 AM (ufFY8)

136 Is Paul Erlich carbon neutral yet?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:31 AM (P6iYF)

137 Yup. Renting over the same period will typically be more expensive but also more flexible and with lower liability, though there are other problems on a long enough timeline. It's difficult to retire if you still have to pay rent (or a mortgage). Retirement is much, much, much more achievable if you own your residence outright and so can contain costs to a predictable and manageable level in time for your income to collapse.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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General rule is if the rent is above the mortgage payment, then buying is the better option if you do not plan to move in the next couple of years. If vice versa, then renting is the appropriate option if mortgage payments are higher than rent on a comparable property.

That rule works better for trying to determine whether a specific housing market is overpriced than for individual decisionmaking though.l

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:31 AM (aYC4C)

138 So how many trips via catapult to cook a turkey with those mirrors?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM

An American turkey fully laden with stuffing?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:31 AM (4p0Xq)

139 So how many trips via catapult to cook a turkey with those mirrors?
Posted by: Anna Puma

European or African?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 11:32 AM (lTGtQ)

140 I seem to recall reading that the turbine blades cannot be recycled or simply disposed of, much like East German Trabants. There is a town in Texas where they are getting dumped and nobody knows how to get rid of them.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

They are simply burying them.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:25 AM (ous9O)

That is really dumb. The turbine blades are made mostly of fiberglass and/or carbon fiber composite. Much of their mass is plastic. Plastic burns. Hire cheap labor (or use prisoners) to cut the blades up into small tiles that can be fed into a coal-fired power plant, and recover some of the embodied energy from that petroleum-sourced plastic.

Also, if the blades could be cut into fairly uniform sheets or tiles, maybe the stuff could be sold as floor tiles or roofing.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 11:32 AM (tkR6S)

141 The Department of Energy is from the government and it's here to help.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at January 08, 2024 11:32 AM (FVME7)

142 EV's should only be able to be recharged via wind or solar.

Or admit they are hypocrites.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:32 AM (ous9O)

143 So how many trips via catapult to cook a turkey with those mirrors?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:29 AM

As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!
--Arthur Carlson, WKRP

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 08, 2024 11:33 AM (N39Ws)

144 >>* ShainS and his binoculars have entered the chat *

Always nice to see a Rosy Breasted Mattress Thrasher in the yard.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2024 11:33 AM (orWfd)

145 >>>>I know I won’t need a house as big as what I have today when I’m retired. A 2 bedroom apartment will be all my wife and I need. No need for the 4 bedroom, 3 bathroom house.

Posted by: Montec
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As of today it will be cheaper to stay in the home you own than to move to a smaller place.

Posted by: Braenyard at January 08, 2024 11:33 AM (csTMM)

146 Our current president didn't know his Secretary of Defense was in the ICU for 4 days, and his deputy was OCONUS at the same time, but Trump said something about magnets.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 11:33 AM (Yth49)

147 ‘Hello, Greg Abbott.’

Abbott will get things rolling.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 08, 2024 11:33 AM (jbnUc)

148 82 Malthus was correct for a fixed system. The problem is that neither he, nor anyone else, understood the impact of advancing science and technology.

ah, those pesky unknown unknowns.

Posted by: anachronda at January 08, 2024 11:33 AM (sGtp+)

149 One of the wind turbines in Hermanville, P.E.I., had two of its blades completely torn off as powerful winds raged across the province this week.

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The universities are not sending us their best engineers anymore.

Unexpectedly, when 2 + 2 == white supremacy.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 11:34 AM (5v3J9)

150 Sounds like you're describing other than a fixed system.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:30 AM (CsUN+)
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Look here. The world is complicated, okay? There are tons of variables and we don't even know what most of them are.

So we either have to do the best we can with dynamic analysis and accept unrealistic projections as a result of failing to model the world adequately, or we have to do static analysis that is way easier and accept unrealistic projections as a result of failing to model the world properly, or we have to stop doing model-dependent things that have the effect of concentrating wealth, power and control into our hands while allowing us to experiment according to our social constructs and philosophical preferences.

Since option three is off the table - permanently, and don't you even question in - static analysis makes more sense because it's cheaper and easier and the model doesn't matter anyway.

Posted by: Policymaker at January 08, 2024 11:34 AM (Zp1WF)

151 Paul Erlich's entire claim to fame was that he found an old copy of Malthus and rewrote it in the 60's, pretending it was all new and his own scholarly work. He made all the same errors that Malthus had made, and added some of his own.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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And economist Julian Simon took a chunk out of Erlich's ass with a famous bet that Simon won easily. Substitution effect is a thing for example.

Perfect example of a sucker bet but the ridiculous Earth Day founded by a murderer and charlatan has continued today as a form of nihilism where humans are the unnatural and a scourge to mother Earth.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:34 AM (aYC4C)

152 Keeping something going - hell, keeping *anything* going - is expensive.

Amateurs talk purchase price. Professionals talk system lifecycle costs.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:23 AM (CsUN+)
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Anyone who has worked in IT for any length of time is all too familiar with "lifecycle costs."

In the office where I work, we just had some cool new technology installed. It is destined to fail in 3-5 years with no plans for keeping it going past that time.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 11:34 AM (7fElN)

153 There have been multiple examples in history where human births peak and then decline that have nothing to do with Malthus and his doom mongering.

Sounds like you're describing other than a fixed system.

BTW, I just finished War and Peace and War, by Peter Turchin. He makes the argument that the lack of stability in societies is a reflection of income inequality and the overproduction of "elites" all wanting their part of the "elite" pie. The resulting conflicts cause war, famine, and general depopulation.

He's trying to flog his pet theory of asabiya, aka societal solidarity and cooperation.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:34 AM (CsUN+)

154 138. 139. Horde Mind, it's real.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:35 AM (4p0Xq)

155 Since option three is off the table - permanently, and don't you even question in - static analysis makes more sense because it's cheaper and easier and the model doesn't matter anyway.
Posted by: Policymaker

Excellent summary btw that should be repeated.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:35 AM (aYC4C)

156 136 Is Paul Erlich carbon neutral yet?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:31 AM (P6iYF)

Paul Erlich, still alive, 91 years old, presumably still entertaining old ex-hippie fans at nursing homes in his area.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:35 AM (i9ffA)

157 >>>>>They are simply burying them.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:25 AM (ous9O)

That is really dumb. The turbine blades are made mostly of fiberglass and/or carbon fiber composite. Much of their mass is plastic. Plastic burns. Hire cheap labor (or use prisoners) to cut the blades up into small tiles that can be fed into a coal-fired power plant, and recover some of the embodied energy from that petroleum-sourced plastic.

Also, if the blades could be cut into fairly uniform sheets or tiles, maybe the stuff could be sold as floor tiles or roofing.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Great Heavens man, do you not realize the heresy of which you speak?

Posted by: Braenyard at January 08, 2024 11:35 AM (csTMM)

158 Ah Ira Einhorn, the Unicorn Killer, who stuffed his murdered girlfriend in a trunk and claimed it was a government plot to frame him.

Is he dead?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:35 AM (P6iYF)

159 Recycling windmill blades:

Wind turbine blades have typically been constructed to last for 20 to 25 years. This means many blades that are being decommissioned now were made a couple decades ago.

At that time, they weren't designed with recycling in mind, Kazem Fayazbakhsh, an assistant professor at Ryerson University, told USA TODAY. They have a chemical composition that makes it difficult to separate them into their constituent components at the end of their service life.

http://tinyurl.com/3a4uv24k

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:36 AM (ous9O)

160
As of today it will be cheaper to stay in the home you own than to move to a smaller place.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 08, 2024 11:33 AM (csTMM)

Are you accounting for investment income you’re foregoing by keeping your equity in the house? Say you own a $500k house, even a conservative 5% return is $25k. That rents a nice apartment where I am.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:36 AM (eQHI/)

161 He's trying to flog his pet theory of asabiya, aka societal solidarity and cooperation.
Posted by: Archimedes

In other words, socialism.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 08, 2024 11:36 AM (9yWhg)

162 >>At that time, they weren't designed with recycling in mind, Kazem Fayazbakhsh, an assistant professor at Ryerson University, told USA TODAY. They have a chemical composition that makes it difficult to separate them into their constituent components at the end of their service life.

For Gaia.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2024 11:36 AM (orWfd)

163 There's a big wind farm off each side of I40 I go by going or coming back from AZ. Rough guesstimate, I have never seen more than a third turning.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 08, 2024 11:37 AM (0EOe9)

164 Look here. The world is complicated, okay? There are tons of variables and we don't even know what most of them are.

I'm not sure why you seem so exercised.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:37 AM (CsUN+)

165 Our country rots from the inside, inflation runs amok, regular Americans are becoming poorer by the day, and yet there are millions, nay, billions of dollars available to hand to well-connected "green" energy grifters.

Posted by: Billions for pedo grifters and oligarchs, nothing for us at January 08, 2024 11:37 AM (2D6XU)

166 Perfect example of a sucker bet but the ridiculous Earth Day founded by a murderer and charlatan has continued today as a form of nihilism where humans are the unnatural and a scourge to mother Earth.
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Happy birthday to me!
Happy birthday to me!
Happy birthday, dear me!
Happy birthday to me!

Posted by: zombie vladimir lenin at January 08, 2024 11:37 AM (2yu8s)

167 What’s not to love about wind energy. It slaughters birds, produces an awful noise, and despoils the landscape, all while producing zero kw of reliable energy.

As they say: Feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 08, 2024 11:38 AM (Rbu5d)

168 Hola, how's everyone's Monday starting out?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 08, 2024 11:39 AM (xcxpd)

169 Well, someone better do something soon, the plan is to take away our cars in less than 6 years, so someone best be getting a move on.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 11:39 AM (XV/Pl)

170 I had to read The Population Bomb in my first year of university. It made no impact on me.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 08, 2024 11:39 AM (n2Iei)

171 PHILADELPHIA — The National Park Service proposes to rehabilitate Welcome Park to provide a more welcoming, accurate, and inclusive experience for visitors. ...

The public is invited to submit comments on this proposed design for the rehabilitation of Welcome Park for a 14-day period from January 8th – 21st, 2024 through the National Park Service’s Planning, Environment and Public Comment (PEPC) at https://parkplanning.nps.gov. Comments submitted through social media, phone calls, email or mail will not be accepted. All public comments must be received through PEPC by midnight Sunday, January 21st, 2024.
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Nothing new. Philly pi**es through more $ while nudging its poor & the undocumented out of Center City and ALL of the nicest, unaffordable areas. (Just like D.C., Chicago, etc.)

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear. They only have to outrun us - for now at January 08, 2024 11:39 AM (GshMh)

172 Be safer than using a turkey fryer. Definitely more fun too. Trebuchets for the win.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
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[sets catapult tension to 'Crispy']

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 08, 2024 11:39 AM (XeU6L)

173 I have seen wind turbines stretching up and down Indiana cornfields and across ridgetops in Spain. They are an abomination.

Posted by: PJ at January 08, 2024 11:40 AM (G1dq6)

174 Well, someone better do something soon, the plan is to take away our cars in less than 6 years, so someone best be getting a move on.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 11:39 AM (XV/Pl)
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LOLWUT?

Nobody's gonna be getting a move on. That's the point.

Posted by: Stay on that plantation, slave at January 08, 2024 11:40 AM (Zp1WF)

175 >>ShainS and his binoculars have entered the chat *

Block Island which is just off the coast of Rhode Island sits right in the middle of the migratory path and is a favorite of bird watchers who flock (see what I did there) to the island in the Spring and Summer to see a huge variety of birds.

It is also home to one of the few working offshore wind farms on the northeast coast. Irony is one of my favorite things.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2024 11:40 AM (ZLI7S)

176 He's trying to flog his pet theory of asabiya, aka societal solidarity and cooperation.
Posted by: Archimedes

In other words, socialism.

Eh, not really. He uses the examples of pre-Communism Russia, colonial America, and Rome. I've given short shrift to his argument, but it comes down to the hypothesis that empires grow at the border between "metaethnic" groups, including Rome vs Gauls, America vs Indians, and Russia vs. Tatars and other central Asians. Because each of those peoples had to work together in order to survive under very difficult circumstances, that became part of the cultural tool kit.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:40 AM (CsUN+)

177 One could take turbine blades brought out of service, insert them vertically into the ground, and have a big, yuge, maybe luxurious, very slippery to climb border fence. Crazy talk.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (0EOe9)

178 Also, if the blades could be cut into fairly uniform sheets or tiles, maybe the stuff could be sold as floor tiles or roofing.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 11:32 AM (tkR6S

If you've ever passed one being transported on the interstate, it's astounding how huge those blades are.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (i9ffA)

179 >>Heh. “Supply chain issues”

It's more like the masterminds saw what the guaranteed rate that was going to be required to make this all work and wanted to keep their necks.

To borrow a phrase, we are led by some very stupid and evil people.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (XV/Pl)

180 Ah Ira Einhorn, the Unicorn Killer, who stuffed his murdered girlfriend in a trunk and claimed it was a government plot to frame him.

Is he dead?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:35 AM

Finkel! Einhorn!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (4p0Xq)

181 National Park Service wants to rehabilitate Welcome Park in Philadelphia by removing the statue of William Penn.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:19 AM (P6iYF)
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Split up the state. Western PA is hereby to known as the Penn Republic. Sylvania can purge whatever it likes, so long as historical artifacts are sent to the Penn Republic.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (Zp1WF)

182 Hola, how's everyone's Monday starting out?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 08, 2024 11:39 AM (xcxpd)

Not even 3 hours into the workday yet, and I've already emptied my thermos of Earl Grey, hot.

Posted by: spindrift at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (AA8bA)

183 >>Block Island which is just off the coast of Rhode Island sits right in the middle of the migratory path and is a favorite of bird watchers who flock (see what I did there) to the island in the Spring and Summer to see a huge variety of birds.

Ace prefers Fire Island.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (orWfd)

184 BTW, I just finished War and Peace and War, by Peter Turchin. He makes the argument that the lack of stability in societies is a reflection of income inequality and the overproduction of "elites" all wanting their part of the "elite" pie. The resulting conflicts cause war, famine, and general depopulation.

He's trying to flog his pet theory of asabiya, aka societal solidarity and cooperation.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:34 AM (CsUN+)

Disclaimer that I haven't read his book, but he may be into something with overproducing "elites" and then doing horrible things for power, money and control - see e.g. the military-industrial complex, Bill Gates grabbing up massive amount of farmland, Biden et al selling out to Chinese interests, etc.

Posted by: Aristocracies and oligarchies are bad for free society at January 08, 2024 11:42 AM (2D6XU)

185 Rapid unplanned disassembly FTW

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 11:42 AM (4I/2K)

186 Good to make red states energy sanctuaries, but also doubling the cost for electricity export to blue states.

Posted by: Anacleto Mitraglia at January 08, 2024 11:42 AM (T2oQu)

187 EV's should only be able to be recharged via wind or solar.

Or admit they are hypocrites.
Posted by: rickb223

..and those wind/solar plants must be built with only wind/solar to mine the minerals, process them, manufacturer, transport componants, construct, etc.

Fact is wind/solar would be very small niche markets but for zealots in government robbing others to subsidize their pet projects and will never be self-sufficient. Never.

Even if they accept nuke plants as green, the cheap energy would be used to synthesize liquid fuel for ICEs because batteries never be as efficient (ofr cost effective).

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 08, 2024 11:42 AM (cOq4q)

188 Sounds like you're describing other than a fixed system.
Posted by: Archimedes
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No, what I am discussing is that Malthus, like the climate fraud, truncated his data sources to essentially cherry pick the portion of the human population function that fit with his theory. Been awhile since I read Malthus himself essentially he was arguing that advances in society inevitably led to a boom in population that agriculture advances could not sustain. He knew little of agriculture and ignored even Britain's history of it with the Enclosures, etc. and thus is an example of the hothouse flower that floated on top of humanity with his reasoning rather than engaging in reality.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:42 AM (aYC4C)

189 This busty bikini brunette on the beach doesn't want some offline wind farm ruining the shoreline for no reason:
http://tiny.cc/uloxvz

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:43 AM (Zp1WF)

190
Well, someone better do something soon, the plan is to take away our cars in less than 6 years, so someone best be getting a move on.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

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Gonna be hilarious to see what California comes up with as 2030 approaches and 100% EVs are nowhere near reality. Maybe we could get hydro power off AOC's tears of outrage.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 08, 2024 11:43 AM (lCaJd)

191 180 Ah Ira Einhorn, the Unicorn Killer, who stuffed his murdered girlfriend in a trunk and claimed it was a government plot to frame him.

Is he dead?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:35 AM

Finkel! Einhorn!
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (4p0Xq)

Einhorn is a man! Einhorn is a MAN??!! *retches*

Posted by: Another movie you couldn't make today at January 08, 2024 11:43 AM (2D6XU)

192 185 Rapid unplanned disassembly FTW
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 11:42 AM (4I/2K)

Just like a Glock.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 08, 2024 11:43 AM (N39Ws)

193 Well, someone better do something soon, the plan is to take away our cars in less than 6 years, so someone best be getting a move on.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

Half the population owns guns - when some states started banning those, there was less than 5% compliance. I expect the same with ICE.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 11:43 AM (lTGtQ)

194 146 Our current president didn't know his Secretary of Defense was in the ICU for 4 days, and his deputy was OCONUS at the same time, but Trump said something about magnets.
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So what does our West African Warlord have that requires ICU care?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 11:43 AM (LVNnd)

195 As of today it will be cheaper to stay in the home you own than to move to a smaller place.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 08, 2024 11:33 AM (csTMM)

Are you accounting for investment income you’re foregoing by keeping your equity in the house? Say you own a $500k house, even a conservative 5% return is $25k. That rents a nice apartment where I am.
Posted by: Montec
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Look, this ain't my first rodeo, and I wouldn't be saying this if it wasn't true, the answer is a reverse mortgage.

Posted by: Tom Selleck at January 08, 2024 11:44 AM (XeU6L)

196 People don't understand that the blade tips are going over 200MPH.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 11:44 AM (Yth49)

197 190 Gonna be hilarious to see what California comes up with as 2030 approaches and 100% EVs are nowhere near reality. Maybe we could get hydro power off AOC's tears of outrage.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 08, 2024 11:43 AM (lCaJd)

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The pattern is that they simply push out the deadline.

"We have made great strides, but we still have much to do. We cannot make it by next year, but we can make it by 2035."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 11:44 AM (GBKbO)

198 If leftists love state’s rights when they make marijuana legal, they should love them just as much when a governor clears the way for new pipelines and power plants.

ONe of the things leftists love to say is, 'if you don't like [insert current bugaboo], don't have [use] one."

OK lefties, if you don't like petrochemicals, DON'T USE THEM.
You may pile all your goods made with petrochemicals in that ditch over there.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 08, 2024 11:44 AM (Rbu5d)

199 Disclaimer that I haven't read his book, but he may be into something with overproducing "elites" and then doing horrible things for power, money and control - see e.g. the military-industrial complex, Bill Gates grabbing up massive amount of farmland, Biden et al selling out to Chinese interests, etc.

Agreed. There were many times when I stopped reading, and thought about exactly that. It isn't just us. China has a HUGE problem with overeducation, and people not wanting to work in factories anymore. They all want to be in an office, in a high prestige occupation. Societal instability is the usual result.

Interestingly, Turchin avers that it was for exactly that reason that the French nobility got obliterated at Agincourt, Crecy, and Poitiers. Nobody would work together because they all wanted to prove their noble bona fides, so they were slaughtered by the disciplined English foot soldiers and archers.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:45 AM (CsUN+)

200 Because each of those peoples had to work together in order to survive under very difficult circumstances, that became part of the cultural tool kit.

Back before he became a hot dog connoisseur, Jonah Goldberg pointed out the left is always looking for the moral equivalent of war to force everyone to "cooperate"

Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2024 11:45 AM (ibTVg)

201 So what does our West African Warlord have that requires ICU care?
Posted by: Pudinhead

Shut your whore mouth, racist. It is a private medical issue and shall not be discussed further! He is in 100% good health now.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 11:45 AM (Yth49)

202 "We have made great strides, but we still have much to do. We cannot make it by next year, but we can make it by 2035."
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So another 5 year plan, comrade?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 11:45 AM (LVNnd)

203 198 If leftists love state’s rights when they make marijuana legal, they should love them just as much when a governor clears the way for new pipelines and power plants.

ONe of the things leftists love to say is, 'if you don't like [insert current bugaboo], don't have [use] one."

OK lefties, if you don't like petrochemicals, DON'T USE THEM.
You may pile all your goods made with petrochemicals in that ditch over there.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 08, 2024 11:44 AM (Rbu5d)

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Lefties love dictatorship where their betters use whatever excuse to make utopia happen.

If it just weren't for those wreckers and hoarders, though...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 11:45 AM (GBKbO)

204 >>EV's should only be able to be recharged via wind or solar.

>>Or admit they are hypocrites.

The amount of mining needed to make enough EVs to replace ICE vehicles is immense. As in impossible.

It also requires the use of enormous mining vehicles and machinery that run on fossil fuels and will never be run on batteries.

The whole thing is a scam.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2024 11:45 AM (ZLI7S)

205 "Supply chain issues."

That's an accurate statement. It's, the supply of money running out.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (4p0Xq)

206 189 This busty bikini brunette on the beach doesn't want some offline wind farm ruining the shoreline for no reason:
http://tiny.cc/uloxvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:43 AM (Zp1WF)

wow
naturally occurring viagra in the wild...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (xcxpd)

207 So another 5 year plan, comrade?
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 11:45 AM (LVNnd)
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Five Year Plans and New Deals
Wrapped in golden chains

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (Zp1WF)

208 158 Ah Ira Einhorn, the Unicorn Killer, who stuffed his murdered girlfriend in a trunk and claimed it was a government plot to frame him.

Is he dead?
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 08, 2024 11:35 AM (P6iYF)

Finally, in 2020. There were a couple local writeups because the girl he murdered was a cute girl from Tyler, Texas, who'd gone to Philadelphia for school and unfortunately attracted his attention. And the lawyer who sprung him from prison so that he could live the high life in Europe for the next 30 years was ... Arlen Spector.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (i9ffA)

209 Happy birthday to me!
Happy birthday to me!
Happy birthday, dear me!
Happy birthday to me!
Posted by: zombie vladimir lenin
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Speaking of unnatural, Lenin himself is a toxic waste dump of chemicals on public display when he could have been simply interred and at least his rotting would have had a few beneficial effects from enriching the soil.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (aYC4C)

210 @193

>>I expect the same with ICE.

Well, there are other ways to skin that cat, if states stop registering ICE vehicles or allowing inspection or allowing the sale of parts to repair or any number of other things that will make owning an ICE vehicle impossible.

It really depends on how serious these maniacs are, and from what it looks like, they are deadly serious.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (XV/Pl)

211 No, what I am discussing is that Malthus, like the climate fraud, truncated his data sources to essentially cherry pick the portion of the human population function that fit with his theory. Been awhile since I read Malthus himself essentially he was arguing that advances in society inevitably led to a boom in population that agriculture advances could not sustain.

The point is that, all other things being equal, there is a limit to the carrying capacity of the land.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (CsUN+)

212
Look, this ain't my first rodeo, and I wouldn't be saying this if it wasn't true, the answer is a reverse mortgage.
Posted by: Tom Selleck at January 08, 2024 11:44 AM (XeU6L)

I literally LOLed😄

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:47 AM (eQHI/)

213 During the Biden admin the US has reminded the world’s #1 producer or crude oil and became the #1 exporter of LNG.

His green bona fides are horseshit and his supporters are idiots that don’t even know what he’s doing.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 08, 2024 11:47 AM (uKeRS)

214 When do they shift to a New War on Poverty?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 11:47 AM (LVNnd)

215 @Acyn Trump responds to Biden’s speech by claiming that Biden stuttered through it. He then does his impression of people who stutter.

@ClydeHaberman What a scumbag this guy is. A few years ago he similarly mocked the physical disability of a Times colleague of mine.

TFG behavior is designed to appeal to the morals of the xtians who are his base.Plus, I listened to the entire speech, and I never noticed him stuttering.

@scabbyhabby Before you start to feel a little sympathy for Chris Christie... he advised Trump to constantly interrupt Biden and mention his son. This, Christie believed, would cause Biden stutter. It takes a special kind of asshole to suggest something like that.

the MAGA standpoint is to ignore the stuttering and blame any crack in speech on senility, so ironically by acknowledging that the stutter, and not senility, he's almost undermining his own party's argument that Biden has dementia.

The outrage press and chatter is what Trump counts on to amplify his bullshit - in this case, to get people talking about Biden stuttering like it's some major concern.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 08, 2024 11:47 AM (JCZqz)

216 The point is that, all other things being equal, there is a limit to the carrying capacity of the land.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (CsUN+)
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"Ceteris Paribus" never is.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:47 AM (Zp1WF)

217 At that time, they weren't designed with recycling in mind, Kazem Fayazbakhsh, an assistant professor at Ryerson University, told USA TODAY. They have a chemical composition that makes it difficult to separate them into their constituent components at the end of their service life.

http://tinyurl.com/3a4uv24k
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:36 AM (ous9O)

They studiously avoid the mention of burning the stuff, which at least recycles some of the embodied energy of the plastic and the carbon fiber. Glass and other fillers would report to the ash from the burners.

Most of the other recycling schemes in that article would require large inputs of energy or other raw materials to create some product of rather limited usefulness. Boondoggles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 11:47 AM (tkR6S)

218 If leftists love state’s rights when they make marijuana legal, they should love them just as much when a governor clears the way for new pipelines and power plants.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 08, 2024 11:44 AM (Rbu5d)

So somebody ask Gov. Hochul about new natural gas pipelines up into New England where there is a shortage. Some of the natural gas gets delivered into Boston from.....Russia. Why? Thank the congress critters because of the Jones Act foreign cargo ships can't be used to transport goods/material from one US port to another.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (N39Ws)

219 Always nice to see a Rosy Breasted Mattress Thrasher in the yard.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2024 11:33 AM (orWfd)

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Heh.

Here, we occasionally get a Western Red-Shafted Flicker.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (xMTdz)

220 Shut your whore mouth, racist. It is a private medical issue and shall not be discussed further! He is in 100% good health now.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 11:45 AM

It's the old Soviet, he has a cold thing.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (4p0Xq)

221 Wonder what a set of bearings cost for one of those?
Posted by: BignJames

Like most bearings, it's not the cost that rocks you, it's the installation.

Posted by: MkY at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (EDRx+)

222 Finally, in 2020. There were a couple local writeups because the girl he murdered was a cute girl from Tyler, Texas, who'd gone to Philadelphia for school and unfortunately attracted his attention. And the lawyer who sprung him from prison so that he could live the high life in Europe for the next 30 years was ... Arlen Spector.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Ah, Snarlin Arlen who also was prominent in the Warren Commission's whitewash. Snarlin never remembered that Stan breaks his tools when he finishes with them.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (aYC4C)

223 Half the population owns guns - when some states started banning those, there was less than 5% compliance. I expect the same with ICE.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

They'll refuse to register your vehicle. When the cop sees out of date registration, they'll seize the vehicle.

Lot harder to ban a gun than a car.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (ous9O)

224 Steve Austin>Lloyd Austin.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (4p0Xq)

225 31 In 400 years, someone is going to look at the remains of these things and wonder just what in the hell those people were thinking. Windmills are like giant totem poles built to appease the angry gods of a primitive people.
Posted by: Erik In Texas at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (z+KLG)

Weren’t there hospitals in UK burning miscarried and aborted babies for heat?

Posted by: Rex B at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (5h/8D)

226 This busty bikini brunette on the beach doesn't want some offline wind farm ruining the shoreline for no reason:

I'll say it before TJM does. She needs to wax her moustache.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (CsUN+)

227 For years, I have puzzles over the fact that the wind turbines in the foothills coming into Bakersfield from the high desert are almost never moving.

But one of my favorite things about these giant turbines is how hard they are to recycle.

Posted by: KT at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (rrtZS)

228 30...Weary through travelers will stop in these sanctuary states en route and ask if they can pause to charge their EVs. And the sanctuarians will whisper, "No".
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 08, 2024 11:10 AM (xG4kz)

"What EV chargers...?"

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (Rbu5d)

229 One could take turbine blades brought out of service, insert them vertically into the ground, and have a big, yuge, maybe luxurious, very slippery to climb border fence. Crazy talk.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (0EOe9)

Make a Cadillac Ranch of sorts on the border with turbine blades. Call it Wind Turbine Ranch.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (4I/2K)

230 215 the MAGA standpoint is to ignore the stuttering and blame any crack in speech on senility, so ironically by acknowledging that the stutter, and not senility, he's almost undermining his own party's argument that Biden has dementia.

The outrage press and chatter is what Trump counts on to amplify his bullshit - in this case, to get people talking about Biden stuttering like it's some major concern.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 08, 2024 11:47 AM (JCZqz)

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"There is no stutter, and I can't believe Trump is making fun of his stutter!"
-these people have no idea

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 11:49 AM (GBKbO)

231 The point is that, all other things being equal, there is a limit to the carrying capacity of the land.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (CsUN+)
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"Ceteris Paribus" never is.

Which was exactly my original point.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:49 AM (CsUN+)

232 Interestingly, Turchin avers that it was for exactly that reason that the French nobility got obliterated at Agincourt, Crecy, and Poitiers. Nobody would work together because they all wanted to prove their noble bona fides, so they were slaughtered by the disciplined English foot soldiers and archers.

Posted by: Archimedes

I think it is more likely that in those battles, the French went to battle with the wrong army. Their knights led the way each time, leaving the archers behind. They expected close combat, and instead ran into commoners with longbows who would kill from a distance, so it was more nuanced - the French expected a type of battle that did not occur.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 11:50 AM (lTGtQ)

233 I’m a squirrel watcher myself. Not many of us. You never know what those little shits are up to.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 08, 2024 11:50 AM (uKeRS)

234 Weird how Biden didn’t stutter for the first 70 years of his life.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:50 AM (eQHI/)

235 The point is that, all other things being equal, there is a limit to the carrying capacity of the land.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Nope, there isn't becuz substitution effect--for example hydroponics. Israel's blooming of the desert is another example.

Simply put, good analysis of human society is a lot harder than analyzing mother nature because atoms for example have no volition.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:50 AM (aYC4C)

236 TAYTAY is gay? Hooray!
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 11:26 AM (eQHI/)

Does that mean she's stuffing things in Travis Kelce's ass then?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 08, 2024 11:50 AM (9gDA7)

237 and instead ran into commoners with longbows

But what about the crossbows?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 08, 2024 11:51 AM (9yWhg)

238 Give Joe a propeller cap. It might help.

Posted by: Northernlurker at January 08, 2024 11:51 AM (n2Iei)

239 Make a Cadillac Ranch of sorts on the border with turbine blades. Call it Wind Turbine Ranch.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM

Cuz either way you're going to get fucked and lose money.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:51 AM (4p0Xq)

240 The point is that, all other things being equal, there is a limit to the carrying capacity of the land.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Nope, there isn't becuz substitution effect--for example hydroponics. Israel's blooming of the desert is another example.

Which is an excellent example of all other things NOT being equal.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 11:51 AM (CsUN+)

241 Bats are often sliced and diced by turbine blades. There are ZERO reports of penguins being sliced and diced in the same way.

Posted by: Advantage: Big Penguin at January 08, 2024 11:51 AM (V5BDR)

242 @Techno_Fog

Richard Branson and Bill Clinton named in the latest Jeffrey Epstein documents -

Allegedly there are tapes. Allegedly.

"When my friend had sexual intercourse with Clinton, Prince Andrew and Richard Branson, sex tapes were in fact filed on each separate occasion by Jeffery."

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2024 11:51 AM (ZLI7S)

243 We are endlessly amused that humans who profess they totally respect and obey laws, and repeatedly say no one is above the law, ignore us.

WE will have the last laugh, Leftist Humans.

Posted by: The Laws of Thermodynamics at January 08, 2024 11:52 AM (5fDan)

244 If you've ever passed one being transported on the interstate, it's astounding how huge those blades are.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (i9ffA)

Yeah. I passed two of them on I-5 near Great Falls on the way down here. They stage them at Gates of the Mountains just north of Helena, and then shut down traffic on I-5 late at night so the oversize loads can be transported through the Missouri River gorge.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 11:52 AM (tkR6S)

245 Dave Rubin @RubinReport 2h
Hopefully now that DEI is falling apart people will realize how it has totally infected our government as well.

Kamala is VP solely bc she’s a black woman. (Biden said so himself, and she was polling at 1% before he selected her.)

Dick Levine is our deputy heath secretary because he dresses like a chick.

KJP is a black lesbian who is a serial liar.

Pete was mayor of a tiny town with no expertise but became Transportation Secretary because he’s gay.

Obviously you can have any of those attributes and be competent at your job, but these people are not, and this is just a tiny section of what has occurred across all our institutions.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 11:52 AM (2yu8s)

246 FWIW - Florida has a "gas appliance tax holiday" that runs through June (I think). No sales tax to encourage purchase of new gas ranges, etc.

I have been looking. You can still get basic models that have little / no electronics to run them. Probably same exact model that was produced fifty years ago. Just works.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 08, 2024 11:52 AM (cOq4q)

247 >>Richard Branson and Bill Clinton named in the latest Jeffrey Epstein documents -

Allegedly there are tapes. Allegedly.

Branson? The guy Obama sucks off on the yacht?

So. Epstein had little boys on that island?

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (orWfd)

248 Can't wait to see Tyler Swift in playoff mode.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (LVNnd)

249 Wind blows.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (9gDA7)

Fire burns

-- Lelu Dallas

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (bving)

250 Nope, there isn't becuz substitution effect--for example hydroponics. Israel's blooming of the desert is another example.

Simply put, good analysis of human society is a lot harder than analyzing mother nature because atoms for example have no volition.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:50 AM (aYC4C)
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But that breaks ceteris paribus, which is the point Archimedes is making. All things did *not* remain equal. They never do.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (Zp1WF)

251 Steve Austin>Lloyd Austin.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (4p0Xq)

Stone Cold > Scold Tone

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (EjkL4)

252 BTW, Malthus never used the argument ceterus paribus in his Doomer essay and nor did you when you made your statement.

His policy argument was more for sumptuary taxes so the excess income from development is siphoned off by the state so that humans do not overpopulate.

A precursor to the eugenics movement actually.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (aYC4C)

253 Agreed. There were many times when I stopped reading, and thought about exactly that. It isn't just us. China has a HUGE problem with overeducation, and people not wanting to work in factories anymore. They all want to be in an office, in a high prestige occupation. Societal instability is the usual result."

I've also seen this brought up as an explanation for the pressures that led to the French Revolution - the Aristocratic class kept growing, and since they controlled government they took it for granted that it was the Monarchies duty to support them. There were a huge number of entitled Aristo's who, much like the wokester college students of today, had never worked at anything, had no actual skills except snobbery, yet felt supremely entitled. The usual solution was to give all of them appointed jobs in some government ministry or another, but since they all considered "work" to be something far beneath them, this became a huge drag on the French treasury, eventually breaking it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (i9ffA)

254 OT - Just a reminder that Claudine Gay got a chance to privately review the NY Post's compilation of allegations (in October) of plagiarism against her because Harvard threatened to sue,

long before the Dec. 5 congressional questioning of the 3 Weird Presidents on tolerance for antisemitism on their campuses.

Posted by: KT at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (rrtZS)

255 This busty bikini brunette on the beach doesn't want some offline wind farm ruining the shoreline for no reason:
http://tiny.cc/uloxvz
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 08, 2024 11:43 AM (Zp1WF)

Man hands. And pointy elbows.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (4I/2K)

256 They studiously avoid the mention of burning the stuff, which at least recycles some of the embodied energy of the plastic and the carbon fiber. Glass and other fillers would report to the ash from the burners.

Most of the other recycling schemes in that article would require large inputs of energy or other raw materials to create some product of rather limited usefulness. Boondoggles.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Burn plastics. That'll set off the Earf Firsters.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (ous9O)

257 I got a hot stock tip for ya!

Invest now!

Posted by: Solyndra at January 08, 2024 11:54 AM (Edu7X)

258 I have been looking. You can still get basic models that have little / no electronics to run them. Probably same exact model that was produced fifty years ago. Just works.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher

Interesting you mention that. Wife and I were at a big box store this weekend, and she saw a Maytag gas stove with no electronics. She was drooling.

Posted by: MkY at January 08, 2024 11:54 AM (EDRx+)

259 244 I RON'd in Shamrock TX for a couple nights on a road trip. They were transporting some blades and base components through the town for some reason. Shut down the little burg for a few hours.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 08, 2024 11:54 AM (0EOe9)

260 241 Bats are often sliced and diced by turbine blades. There are ZERO reports of penguins being sliced and diced in the same way.
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Penguins are NAZIs that can't goose step.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 11:54 AM (LVNnd)

261 They'll refuse to register your vehicle. When the cop sees out of date registration, they'll seize the vehicle.

Lot harder to ban a gun than a car.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (ous9O)

With "felony stops" for expired registrations.

Put your hands up! Don't move! Put your hands on the dash! Get out of the car! PUT YOUR FUCKING HANDS ON THE DASH!

*BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM*

Uncooperative, furtive movement, target glances, bladed stance, I was in fear for my life, etc etc.

Ruled: good shoot. File closed.

Posted by: Roadside executions for the non-green at January 08, 2024 11:54 AM (2D6XU)

262 Because the turbine wasn't operating, the blades were stationary and couldn't move with the wind, so they were completely ripped off.

-

I'm assuming that windmill had not only generated enough power that it had replaced the energy required to produce, ship, assemble, transport and feed the crew, produce the trucks, tools, etc. for the time required, etc., but that the energy it had already produced had easily taken care of production of new vanes.

Posted by: Nikky Haley, True Savior of the Democracy at January 08, 2024 11:54 AM (+RC1q)

263 Steve Austin>Lloyd Austin.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:48 AM (4p0Xq)

Stone Cold > Scold Tone
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (EjkL4)

Stephen F. Austin > Steve Austin > Lloyd Austin

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 11:55 AM (4I/2K)

264 245 Dave Rubin @RubinReport 2h
Hopefully now that DEI is falling apart people will realize how it has totally infected our government as well.

Kamala is VP solely bc she’s a black woman. (Biden said so himself, and she was polling at 1% before he selected her.)

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 11:52 AM (2yu8s)

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Listen, I can kind of (kind of) excuse people ignoring it in universities. But politics?

If you haven't noticed that politics has become check box central where the only important box checking happens if you are "disadvantaged", all while you've been...paying attention to politics, then you have simply agreed with it. Deciding now to turn your back on the practice because it has become embarrassing is merely an act of self-preservation on some level.

Fuck, man. Hillary Fucking Clinton, one of the most powerful women on the planet (people don't become senator because of the decor), was described in victim terms when Trump looked at her funny. If you didn't call bullshit on that at the time, then you simply accepted that women should be held to different standards than men.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

265 I wish people would just let Taylor Swift concentrate on winning the Super Bowl before demanding that she spend an evening scissoring with an NYT columnist.

Posted by: spindrift at January 08, 2024 11:55 AM (AA8bA)

266 The enviros are in for a surprise... Once the Party finishes reefing the economy, these dumbshit projects will be unaffordable, the graft potential will be outweighed by economic reality, and the Party will default to the cheapest and most destructive energy extraction available.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 08, 2024 11:55 AM (0FoWg)

267 Richard Branson and Bill Clinton named in the latest Jeffrey Epstein documents -

Allegedly there are tapes. Allegedly.

"When my friend had sexual intercourse with Clinton, Prince Andrew and Richard Branson, sex tapes were in fact filed on each separate occasion by Jeffery."
Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2024 11:51 AM

Virgin air?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 11:56 AM (4p0Xq)

268 If you've ever passed one being transported on the interstate, it's astounding how huge those blades are.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:41 AM (i9ffA)

Yeah. I passed two of them on I-5 near Great Falls on the way down here. They stage them at Gates of the Mountains just north of Helena, and then shut down traffic on I-5 late at night so the oversize loads can be transported through the Missouri River gorge.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

You should see them coming up from Houston towards Dallas in IH-45. Semi after semi. 2 blades to a trailer. (And you need three blades per windmill)

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:56 AM (ous9O)

269 Dang!
Slept in! Missed some beautiful art too. Sadz.
But my stand on these nasty, bird killas is well known. Take them down! Take them all down! They are a blight on the land.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 08, 2024 11:56 AM (W/lyH)

270 They'll refuse to register your vehicle. When the cop sees out of date registration, they'll seize the vehicle.

Lot harder to ban a gun than a car.
Posted by: rickb223

Yes, but when 80% of the people refuse to cooperate, it becomes a logistical problem for enforcement.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 11:57 AM (lTGtQ)

271 They expected close combat, and instead ran into commoners with longbows who would kill from a distance, so it was more nuanced - the French expected a type of battle that did not occur.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 11:50 AM (lTGtQ)

I've read that it had rained to night before one of the battles and the knights got mired in the mud during their initial charge. Which made them easy targets for the archers.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 08, 2024 11:57 AM (nC+QA)

272 Speaking of unnatural, Lenin himself is a toxic waste dump of chemicals on public display when he could have been simply interred and at least his rotting would have had a few beneficial effects from enriching the soil.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (aYC4C)

I know the Russkies finally planted Stalin. Is Lenin still on display in Red Square?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 11:57 AM (tkR6S)

273
Burn plastics. That'll set off the Earf Firsters.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (ous9O)

Burn Earf Firsters instead. Natural, organic, locally sourced. It's everything they claim to want in a fuel source.

Posted by: Set a man on fire... at January 08, 2024 11:57 AM (2D6XU)

274 Pence Files For Retirement

Former Vice President Mike Pence appeared on CNN on Sunday to discuss the January 6 Capitol protest. Pence told CNN’s “State of the Union” host Jake Tapper that the FBI did not contribute to the January 6 Capitol protest and cheered the arrest of more than 1,200 Trump supporters. “I’ve heard the many repeated assurances from the FBI that they were not involved, and I take them at their word,” Pence said.

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 11:58 AM (RHGPo)

275 @230

>>"There is no stutter, and I can't believe Trump is making fun of his stutter!"
-these people have no idea

If you can stomach the insincerity and smugness, here is a clip of Biden in 1992, you will notice not trace of a negro dialect or a stutter.

http://tinyurl.com/mrydhx34

I don't believe a there exists any documented cases of adult onset stutter, and besides, the dude does not stutter, it's just more gaslighting from The Junta.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 11:58 AM (XV/Pl)

276 272 Speaking of unnatural, Lenin himself is a toxic waste dump of chemicals on public display when he could have been simply interred and at least his rotting would have had a few beneficial effects from enriching the soil.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:46 AM (aYC4C)

I know the Russkies finally planted Stalin. Is Lenin still on display in Red Square?
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Did they finally bury Evita?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 11:58 AM (LVNnd)

277 Yes; I'm sure hottie was in deep thought about the impracticality and environmental depredations of wind farms-when she wasn' t thinking, "How the hell long am I going to have to hold this uncomfortable pose?"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2024 11:58 AM (RSbhh)

278 232
‘ Their knights led the way each time, leaving the archers behind. ’
And got stuck in the mud on the way to their intended battle. That gave the archers time to get off lots of shots.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 08, 2024 11:59 AM (jbnUc)

279 I know the Russkies finally planted Stalin. Is Lenin still on display in Red Square?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Yep.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 11:59 AM (aYC4C)

280 215 @Acyn Trump responds to Biden’s speech by claiming that Biden stuttered through it. He then does his impression of people who stutter.
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Here it is:
Benny Johnson @bennyjohnson Jan 6
Trump imitating Biden holding a “press conference” is hilarious
“And then he walks into a wall”🤣🤣🤣
http://tinyurl.com/ydr7huw5
55 seconds; and absolutely no 'fake' 'stuttering'

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 11:59 AM (2yu8s)

281 236 TAYTAY is gay? Hooray!

Does that mean she's stuffing things in Travis Kelce's ass then?
____

Ah that explains his drop in production. He's no longer a tight end.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 08, 2024 11:59 AM (fs1hN)

282 The AARP Just Told Its 38 Million Members To Get An 8th (Yes, Eighth!!) Shot Of mRNA

Can't make it up.

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 11:59 AM (RHGPo)

283 270 Heh. A great Arkansas tradition seems to be driving with expired tags, no tags, or a temporary paper tag so faded you can't read it anyway. Also, towing a trailer for no particular reason with no tags and no lights.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 08, 2024 12:00 PM (0EOe9)

284 I've read that it had rained to night before one of the battles and the knights got mired in the mud during their initial charge. Which made them easy targets for the archers.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette

Yes, at Agincourt. The horses were ok during the initial assault, but were hard pressed to maneuver. When the knights were dismounted, the rest of the French were trampling them from behind, so many knights actually died of drowning.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 12:00 PM (lTGtQ)

285 275 If you can stomach the insincerity and smugness, here is a clip of Biden in 1992, you will notice not trace of a negro dialect or a stutter.

http://tinyurl.com/mrydhx34

I don't believe a there exists any documented cases of adult onset stutter, and besides, the dude does not stutter, it's just more gaslighting from The Junta.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 11:58 AM (XV/Pl)

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Since it's well established that DU is mostly old hippies, it makes you wonder if any of them went, "You know, I've been paying attention to politics for decades. I remember. Biden's first attempt at president. I also have no memory of him stuttering once. I wonder if this is bullshit..."

But no. They are partisans first and foremost. Their purpose is to regurgitate partisan spin. That's why they breathe.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, walking with hope in America with Frank Capra at January 08, 2024 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

286 Does that mean she's stuffing things in Travis Kelce's ass then?

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Speaking of, i saw a meme the other day that in some given time period more people died from shoving things up their rectums than by AR15s.

Posted by: Nikky Haley, True Savior of the Democracy at January 08, 2024 12:01 PM (+RC1q)

287 Remember starting next year all new cars will have an remote shutoff feature (thanks GOP). Don’t comply? State just shuts your car off.

Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 12:02 PM (eQHI/)

288 But that breaks ceteris paribus, which is the point Archimedes is making. All things did *not* remain equal. They never do.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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That was not the original claim stated. One can argue like Archimedes that Malthus was correct in a fixed system but that implies ceterus paribus. Unfortunately that can also be read as to imply a stagnant system which is more to the point what Malthus actually thought best. Some argue that Malthus actually was writing a polemic against the Panglossian "We live in the best of all worlds today" thesis that many in elite society held at the time.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 12:02 PM (aYC4C)

289 273 Burn Earf Firsters instead. Natural, organic, locally sourced. It's everything they claim to want in a fuel source.
Posted by: Set a man on fire... at January 08, 2024 11:57 AM (2D6XU)

Wrap them in plastic wrap, then set them on fire.

Best of both worlds.

Posted by: XTC at January 08, 2024 12:02 PM (sm6Pk)

290 Jefferies Finds iPhone Sales In China Plunged Last Week

"Our industry checks show Android+HW managed to stay flat YoY recently against a high base, while iPhone is down YoY > 30%."

Take another look. Virtually everything is plunging in China.
A generation that has never seen bad economic times, get introduced .. the hard way.

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 12:03 PM (RHGPo)

291 The AARP Just Told Its 38 Million Members To Get An 8th (Yes, Eighth!!) Shot Of mRNA
Can't make it up.
Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 11:59 AM (RHGPo)

Good. Any idiots who are members of AARP for freebies and discounts deserve to get a booster shot.

Again and again.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2024 12:03 PM (Edu7X)

292 Someone found the door in their backyard.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 12:03 PM (Yth49)

293 Is not a stutter. He doesn't stutter. For the love of fuck i wish they would give it a rest with this stupid clown world fake reality bullshit. Just for one stinking day.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 08, 2024 12:03 PM (EjkL4)

294 Speaking of, i saw a meme the other day that in some given time period more people died from shoving things up their rectums than by AR15s.
Posted by: Nikky Haley, True Savior of the Democracy at January 08, 2024 12:01 PM

Rectum? Killed em!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 12:03 PM (4p0Xq)

295 287 Remember starting next year all new cars will have an remote shutoff feature (thanks GOP). Don’t comply? State just shuts your car off.
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 12:02 PM (eQHI/)

AND a Breathalyzer Interlock.

Posted by: XTC at January 08, 2024 12:03 PM (sm6Pk)

296 Speaking of, i saw a meme the other day that in some given time period more people died from shoving things up their rectums than by AR15s.
Posted by: Nikky Haley

Not surprised. If you have a morbid interest, you can play around with WISQUARs database at the CDC regarding causes of death. It is a little bit ratty as some states either do not submit data or it is partial and missing some data on deaths.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 12:04 PM (aYC4C)

297 Burn plastics. That'll set off the Earf Firsters.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 11:53 AM (ous9O)

Of course it will. But their entire premise is faulty, anyway. And modern coal-fired power plants have stack scrubbers, anyway.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 12:04 PM (tkR6S)

298 I recognized the crushed bird chopper at the front of the top pic...think that one was in the desert of the Imperial Valley. The story on that one? Apparently the support column was designed for a turbine of size xxx, but they installed a HEAVIER one instead. Too much wind, and it collapsed like a straw (or like this: https://is.gd/UonEhu)

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2024 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

299 284 I've read that it had rained to night before one of the battles and the knights got mired in the mud during their initial charge. Which made them easy targets for the archers.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette

Yes, at Agincourt. The horses were ok during the initial assault, but were hard pressed to maneuver. When the knights were dismounted, the rest of the French were trampling them from behind, so many knights actually died of drowning.
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The battlefield was shaped like an hour glass. This forced the mounted knights to crowd one another and churned the mud deeper. If a knight hit the ground he could not get up due his armor weight. The English infantry delivered the coup de grace.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 08, 2024 12:05 PM (LVNnd)

300 Someone found the door in their backyard.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 12:03 PM

Apparently there had been three previous depressurization warnings and they were looked at. Apparently not closely enough. I guess turning it off and on wasn't good enough.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 12:05 PM (4p0Xq)

301 131...Paul Erlich's entire claim to fame was that he found an old copy of Malthus and rewrote it in the 60's, pretending it was all new and his own scholarly work. He made all the same errors that Malthus had made, and added some of his own.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 11:30 AM (i9ffA)

I never added my own errors...

--that Gay woman, probaby.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 08, 2024 12:05 PM (Rbu5d)

302 Audubon THE bird people support correctly situated wind turbines
Last year 6 antique coal planets average age 51 were decommissioned, being too costly to operate. 3 of the top 4 wind power states are red states. Texas is #1
That French wind farm is over 20 years ago. Turbine technology has learned a lot about design and placement since then.
Buck apparently didn't want to mention that. Ignorance or intentional?
American electric generation by renewables surpassed that of coal and increased every year.

Posted by: Paul banned at January 08, 2024 12:05 PM (QW04r)

303 Jefferies Finds iPhone Sales In China Plunged Last Week
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Going down the tubes!

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 12:06 PM (2yu8s)

304 The English infantry delivered the coup de grace.
Posted by: Pudinhead

The Coupe de Ville.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 12:06 PM (ous9O)

305 Plastic burns well

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2024 12:06 PM (fwDg9)

306 265 I wish people would just let Taylor Swift concentrate on winning the Super Bowl before demanding that she spend an evening scissoring with an NYT columnist.
Posted by: spindrift at January 08, 2024 11:55 AM (AA8bA)

There's a visual.

Yeah, there's a subset of her fans who are DESPERATE that she be gay or bisexual. Probably for their own fantasies. Mind you...if she and Karlie Kloss did lock lips or more....I'd buy a ticket or two.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at January 08, 2024 12:06 PM (xcxpd)

307 Steve Austin>Lloyd Austin.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024

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I'd definitely prefer the Six Million Dollar Man to Lloyd.

Posted by: The Bionic Woman at January 08, 2024 12:06 PM (J2vNu)

308 >Because the turbine wasn't operating, the blades were stationary and couldn't move with the wind, so they were completely ripped off.

If they had been able to rotate on their long axis, then unlocking that gear would make them turn like a weather vane, and not get ripped off.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 08, 2024 12:06 PM (cf/0E)

309 Paul.

Giving retards a bad rep.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2024 12:07 PM (orWfd)

310 Renewables, like EVs, have increased each year.

Why, this year it doubled. Now they are almost 1% of all cars.

Posted by: Nikky Haley, True Savior of the Democracy at January 08, 2024 12:07 PM (+RC1q)

311 Secession is the only way out.

Posted by: TC at January 08, 2024 12:07 PM (FjlUt)

312 The AARP Just Told Its 38 Million Members To Get An 8th (Yes, Eighth!!) Shot Of mRNA

Can't make it up.
Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 11:59 AM (RHGPo)
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What do they plan to do when half their active membership keels over in the next few years?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 12:07 PM (7fElN)

313 I sincerely hope Kamala Harris leads a violent takeover of the oval office, just so that we can all call it the Hoochie Coup.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 08, 2024 12:07 PM (EjkL4)

314 Speaking of, i saw a meme the other day that in some given time period more people died from shoving things up their rectums than by AR15s.

Posted by: Nikky Haley, True Savior of the Democracy at January 08, 2024 12:01 PM (+RC1q)

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You've got to wonder how many overlap incidents there were in a Venn diagram of that.

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 12:08 PM (gzH5K)

315 Two Taylor Swifts at the same time is on my bucket list.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 08, 2024 12:08 PM (cf/0E)

316 But that breaks ceteris paribus, which is the point Archimedes is making. All things did *not* remain equal. They never do.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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That was not the original claim stated.

Actually, it was exactly the original claim.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 08, 2024 12:08 PM (CsUN+)

317 I'm waiting to the study that claims that wind farms are causing irreputable damage to the Earth by slowing the rotation of the Earth

Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 12:08 PM (RHGPo)

318 Do industries use renewables as a backup for functional energy during bad weather?

The power is surging! Quick, wipe the snow off the solar panel!

Posted by: Nikky Haley, True Savior of the Democracy at January 08, 2024 12:08 PM (+RC1q)

319 306 265 I wish people would just let Taylor Swift concentrate on winning the Super Bowl before demanding that she spend an evening scissoring with an NYT columnist.
Posted by: spindrift
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There's a visual.

Yeah, there's a subset of her fans who are DESPERATE that she be gay or bisexual. Probably for their own fantasies. Mind you...if she and Karlie Kloss did lock lips or more....I'd buy a ticket or two. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Wish fulfillment is my guess. Identity politics inevitably leads to solipsism.

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 12:08 PM (aYC4C)

320 Turbine technology has learned a lot about design and placement since then.

This is the kind of sentence that lets you know you're dealing with a real expert.

Posted by: spindrift at January 08, 2024 12:08 PM (AA8bA)

321 305 Plastic burns well

Posted by: Skip at January 08, 2024 12:06 PM (fwDg9)

Why clothing with synthetic (e.g. nylon) melt into the skin while natural fibers (e.g. cotton) burn with the skin when people are caught in fires. Was told I should wear natural fibers when working in some flamable environs just because of this; can't easily separate melted plastic from the skin it melted with.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2024 12:09 PM (ynpvh)

322 The AARP Just Told Its 38 Million Members To Get An 8th (Yes, Eighth!!) Shot Of mRNA
Can't make it up.
Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 11:59 AM (RHGPo)

Good. Any idiots who are members of AARP for freebies and discounts deserve to get a booster shot.

Again and again.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 08, 2024 12:03 PM (Edu7X)

The AARP is a leading marketer / seller of Medicare Supplement plans. Someone ran the numbers (Lotus 123 on Windows 3.1) and found they have a yuge asset shortfall risk to pay expected future claims. So, kill off the customers was proposed as the solution. . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2024 12:09 PM (4I/2K)

323 @304

>>The Coupe de Ville.

A cherry 1983 Coupe De Ville will run you 50K.

Which ain't bad, all things conidered.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2024 12:09 PM (XV/Pl)

324 The AARP Just Told Its 38 Million Members To Get An 8th (Yes, Eighth!!) Shot Of mRNA

Can't make it up.
Posted by: SMOD at January 08, 2024 11:59 AM (RHGPo)
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What do they plan to do when half their active membership keels over in the next few years?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 12:07 PM (7fElN)

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Feral Government Bailouts!

Posted by: ShainS -- Plagiarism is copying without attribution plus white cisheteropatriarchal skin at January 08, 2024 12:09 PM (gzH5K)

325 307 Steve Austin>Lloyd Austin.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024

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I'd definitely prefer the Six Million Dollar Man to Lloyd.

Posted by: The Bionic Woman at January 08, 2024 12:06 PM (J2vNu)

But Lloyd's probably cost more...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2024 12:09 PM (ynpvh)

326 What do they plan to do when half their active membership keels over in the next few years?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 08, 2024 12:07 PM (7fElN)

well at least they've got a steady stream of new members they can count on, unlike most mainstream Protestant Churches.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2024 12:10 PM (i9ffA)

327 The Gateway Pundit @gatewaypundit 5m
BREAKING: Another Round of Epstein Docs Released – AND THERE ARE ALLEGED SEX TAPES OF BILL CLINTON WHICH CLEARLY IDENTIFY HIS FACE via @gatewaypundit
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But no banana-dick showing so "not proven"!

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 12:10 PM (2yu8s)

328 Why clothing with synthetic (e.g. nylon) melt into the skin while natural fibers (e.g. cotton) burn with the skin when people are caught in fires. Was told I should wear natural fibers when working in some flamable environs just because of this; can't easily separate melted plastic from the skin it melted with.
Posted by: jim

Same reason to wear all natural fibers when flying.
Assuming you survive the crash.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2024 12:10 PM (ous9O)

329 Nood secdef

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (KEuti)

330 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (9gDA7)

331 >I've read that it had rained to night before one of the battles and the knights got mired in the mud during their initial charge. Which made them easy targets for the ~~archers~~ longbows.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (cf/0E)

332 Taylor swift is not even good looking IMHO. She looks like a mouse. She's not ugly, but certainly not hot by any stretch.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (4p0Xq)

333 Remember starting next year all new cars will have an remote shutoff feature (thanks GOP). Don’t comply? State just shuts your car off.
Posted by: Montec at January 08, 2024 12:02 PM (eQHI/)

Chance of me ever buying a new car again? Somewhere between zero and zilch.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (tkR6S)

334 311 Secession is the only way out.
Posted by: TC at January 08, 2024 12:07 PM (FjlUt)

Nope. Not an option. Animatronic Abe out front should've told you.

Posted by: The penalty is death! at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (2D6XU)

335 Actually, it was exactly the original claim.
Posted by: Archimedes

No it wasn't Archimedes. You shifted goal posts. You said correct in a fixed system. One such system would be stagnant, the other would be ceterus paribus--the two are not really the same claim. You can have a stagnant system overall that has individual movement of variables within--the other would be ceterus paribus where all other variables are held to be equal.

Big difference in setting up formal analysis there. Or are you arguing that your post is rhetorical as in a stopped clock is right twice a day?

Posted by: whig at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (aYC4C)

336 35 The left: We need to reduce the amount of power we use to save Gaia

Also the left: We need to import 10s of millions of third worlders and give them enough money to buy things that use electricity

Also also the left: And here's a big credit to buy EVs
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2024 11:11 AM (ibTVg)

Two questions : I wonder if anyone has the honesty/ intelligence to ask KJP 'the following: 'Since Americans use 10 X as much energy as anyone else, how does admitting millions of new energy users support the junta's green energy initiatives?'

Second question: does copying and pasting a comment count as plagerism?

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (R9IrV)

337 I'm waiting to the study that claims that wind farms are causing irreputable damage to the Earth by slowing the rotation of the Earth
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They make more wind causing more hurricanes!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (2yu8s)

338 331 >I've read that it had rained to night before one of the battles and the knights got mired in the mud during their initial charge. Which made them easy targets for the archers longbows.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (cf/0E)

Some archers were quite Cross.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2024 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

339 Stephen F. Austin > Steve Austin > Lloyd Austin

Posted by: Count de Monet

Uh, where does Col. Steve Austin fit?

Also, I wonder where that $6 million falls now with fifty years of inflation...

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at January 08, 2024 12:13 PM (OUMaO)

340 Do industries use renewables as a backup for functional energy during bad weather?

The power is surging! Quick, wipe the snow off the solar panel!

Posted by: Nikky Haley

No, just the opposite. Industry and power generators always have functional energy as the baseline, and feed in the unreliable energy when it actually produces. This is why it is actually harder to run utilities now - they have to fluctuate the reliable energy to factor for the intermittent nature of the so called green energy.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 08, 2024 12:13 PM (lTGtQ)

341 336...
Second question: does copying and pasting a comment count as plagerism?

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 08, 2024 12:11 PM (R9IrV)

Only if you don't give proper attribution, e.g. I copied your name in my comment on your comment, so proper attribution...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2024 12:13 PM (ynpvh)

342 There are a handful of anti-immigration Green groups but for some strange reason they're never quoted by the MFM -- kinda like the pro-nuke CAGW believers.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 08, 2024 12:14 PM (2yu8s)

343 I got a hot stock tip for ya!

Invest now!
Posted by: Solyndra
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I always mention Beacon Energy. One of Barky's 'stimulus' items. Their flywheel energy storage system literally blew up two weeks after a gala opening. $43 million is stimulus funds, bankrupt.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 08, 2024 12:15 PM (XeU6L)

344 Excellent post, Buckster. 'Green' cost/benefit = infinity.

"A distinguishing feature of the “new right” versus establishment conservatives is that establishment conservatives take great pride in allowing the left to advance their agenda, so long as we on the right unilaterally uphold norms and principles in our defeat. The new right believes in fighting back and playing by the new rules."

Kein Schiss!

It would be nice if the est. quit serving lobbies(wind, solar, Ukraine, drug cartels, etc.) and give us our money back.

Posted by: Danimal28 at January 08, 2024 12:42 PM (klw0w)

345 Your health is an acceptable sacrifice for their values

Posted by: Tmitsss at January 08, 2024 01:10 PM (dcee4)

346 292 Someone found the door in their backyard.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 08, 2024 12:03 PM (Yth49)
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Is that a euphemism?
Did I miss an Epstein Island sex tape release?

Posted by: NIVQII at January 08, 2024 01:59 PM (FO+ZA)

347 These wind farms are an abomination and a blight on the landscape. We truly have lost our minds.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at January 08, 2024 01:59 PM (g3iOY)

348 Eco-Freaks who want us to replace all energy Production with Wind Energy should go soak their heads

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