Biden: You Know, the Ukrainians Will Probably Have to Cede Territory to Russia to End This War

Via David Strom, Biden is now declaring himself to be a Puppet of Putin and a peddler of RUSSIAN MALINFORMATION.

Politico:

With U.S. and European aid to Ukraine now in serious jeopardy, the Biden administration and European officials are quietly shifting their focus from supporting Ukraine's goal of total victory over Russia to improving its position in an eventual negotiation to end the war, according to a Biden administration official and a European diplomat based in Washington. Such a negotiation would likely mean giving up parts of Ukraine to Russia.
The White House and Pentagon publicly insist there is no official change in administration policy -- that they still support Ukraine's aim of forcing Russia's military completely out of the country. But along with the Ukrainians themselves, U.S. and European officials are now discussing the redeployment of Kyiv's forces away from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's mostly failed counteroffensive into a stronger defensive position against Russian forces in the east, according to the administration official and the European diplomat, and confirmed by a senior administration official.

The White House signals to Politico that the war in Ukraine will end through negotiation, probably by giving up territory, something which if you said 6 months ago made you Putin's right hand man https://t.co/qkOPu0Lv6n pic.twitter.com/vacxWoKofr
-- Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) December 27, 2023

Blinken on previous levels of funding and arming: "These levels of support and assistance will no longer be necessary."

Blinken just admitted the Biden Admin is cutting Ukraine loosepic.twitter.com/hnpyJSKysI
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) December 22, 2023

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 05:11 PM

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1 Lol.
Who didn't see this one coming?

Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at December 28, 2023 05:12 PM (Rn/yD)

2 Mission accomplished. Money laundered.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at December 28, 2023 05:12 PM (hCzfy)

3 This is nothing that another $50 billion won't fix.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:13 PM (eaI2m)

4 Traditionally this type of problem is resolved by carving up Poland.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:14 PM (eaI2m)

5 Oh, back to being serious.

I've got nothing to add, so will wish you all a good night.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at December 28, 2023 05:14 PM (Q0kLU)

6 Trump ends the War day one.

And I think he will do what he wanted to do when he was knifed in the back by the LE/IC, and that is forge an alliance with Russia.

Also pro-tip to Trump and his satellites, when you win the election, do not take any calls or talk to anyone until you are sworn in.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2023 05:14 PM (XV/Pl)

7 You don't say, Joe.
You don't say...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:14 PM (xcxpd)

8 Biden: You Know, the Ukrainians Will Probably Have to Cede Territory to Russia to End This War
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New grift coming up! Welcome to our Middle East buffet; Houthi's, Iran, Israel and a host of guest actors ready to launder the fed bux.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2023 05:14 PM (Q4IgG)

9 This is your new policy when you're forced to choose between open borders and your pet war. I guess we understand this administration's priorities.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 28, 2023 05:14 PM (DWqKI)

10 At least the war is ending.

Good to see this shit administration/cabal has sacrificed so many Ukrainian young men to serve their evil ends.

Well done.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:15 PM (OsDER)

11 We also have no fucking ammo or missiles left to send.

The USA is a very, very untrustworthy ally.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:15 PM (xcxpd)

12 I've been telling everyone for weeks that Ukraine wasn't going to have a second season of the show.

Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2023 05:15 PM (wb1YC)

13

I'm no fan of Putin, but if he "wins" this, it's a big kick in the ass to the Globalists and warmongers here who pushed us to get involved.

And when do we get a refund from Zelensky?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (x0n13)

14 I am really surprised.

I expected them to hold off on admitting reality until after the election.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (Efrrv)

15 Ray Charles could see this coming 50 billion dollars ago.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (PKEqY)

16 I'm guessing that Hunter Biden Enterprises has opened a new branch in Moscow.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (eaI2m)

17 We have never been at war with Eastukraine.

Posted by: Soon at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (qUkBO)

18 Fucking Russians....ah, I feel bad for my Uke friends.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (xcxpd)

19 That Biden is a foreign policy genius.

Posted by: free tibet at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (iNp3L)

20 OT-I meant to put this on the earlier Kaboom Thread, but then I had to make a phone call. Congrats to Ace on 20 years of the blog. Please consider fellow, hordians, on making a $20 donation to the blog-or more-in honor of Ace's hard work on the blog and the way he keeps us up on the latest news, as well as entertaining and amusing us. I just contributed.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2023 05:17 PM (RSbhh)

21 I always wondered how is it we hardly have any footage of the uke - rooskie war compared to what’s going on in Gaza

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 05:17 PM (VTu1l)

22 They could have done that a few billion dollars ago, but then the defense industry wouldn't have made extra billions of dollars.

Posted by: huerfano at December 28, 2023 05:17 PM (Q4KYm)

23 Half a million lives later...

Posted by: White Lives Sorta Matter, But Not Really at December 28, 2023 05:17 PM (qUkBO)

24 all the war hawks can relax, Ukraine is just one theater to fight in. The US and NATO can never walk away from confrontation with Russia while Russia is strong, at least not after what they have done.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 28, 2023 05:17 PM (D7oie)

25 21 I always wondered how is it we hardly have any footage of the uke - rooskie war compared to what’s going on in Gaza
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 05:17 PM (VTu1l)

It's all online and most of it is propaganda for one side or the other. No lack of footage, especially taken by drones.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:18 PM (xcxpd)

26 I am really surprised.

I expected them to hold off on admitting reality until after the election.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (Efrrv)
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They no longer have a choice in the matter. The United States is broke and weak. We have neither money nor materials to send them. If we started sending men (i.e., active military assets) to assist the Ukrainians, there is NO CHANCE IN HELL that FJB wins the election in 2024.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 28, 2023 05:18 PM (BpYfr)

27 Miss Lindsey Graham hardest hit.

Does this mean the CIA got all it's illegal bio-weapons labs in The Ukraine shut down?

Posted by: No Shirt Shylock at December 28, 2023 05:18 PM (PWI4f)

28 Mission accomplished. Money laundered.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at December 28, 2023 05:12 PM
BINGO!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 05:19 PM (SzI2j)

29 Oh well, we gave it our best shot.

Posted by: Zelensky on his yacht, no his other yacht, no his OTHER yacht at December 28, 2023 05:19 PM (qUkBO)

30 The big guy must not be getting 10 percent anymore.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 28, 2023 05:19 PM (QuqX7)

31 Time for the Iranopallooza... Iranigence... er, Iransofaraway?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 28, 2023 05:19 PM (IG4Id)

32 14 I am really surprised.

I expected them to hold off on admitting reality until after the election.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (Efrrv)

Small bet on them wanting to redeploy funds and (deniable) troops to Taiwan?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:19 PM (xcxpd)

33 Huh, no kidding?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2023 05:20 PM (ZLI7S)

34 OT-I meant to put this on the earlier Kaboom Thread, but then I had to make a phone call. Congrats to Ace on 20 years of the blog. Please consider fellow, hordians, on making a $20 donation to the blog-or more-in honor of Ace's hard work on the blog and the way he keeps us up on the latest news, as well as entertaining and amusing us. I just contributed.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2023 05:17 PM

Great idea! Seconded.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 05:20 PM (SzI2j)

35 Did Biden say he'd cede some Uke territory to Russia BEFORE the invasion?

How much US money went into returning to this position?

Also, some Uke blood, but who cares about them?

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 28, 2023 05:20 PM (nnp+f)

36 Step 1: encourage Russia to invade by saying a "little" incursion would be totally cool.

Step 2: publicly say that Ukraine will have to give up territory, thereby undercutting their negotiating position.

I can see why Obama supports Biden: it gets him off the hook as the worst President in American history. Now he's in a dead heat with Carter as the second-worst.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 05:20 PM (YqDXo)

37 Putin: Remove all sanctions and maybe we'll talk.

Biden's String Puller: How much will it cost us?

Putin: We keep all the territory we've occupied, plus you send us a pallet of cash equal to that you give Iran. Oh, plus 15% to the big guy. (points to himself)

Biden's String Puller: Done! (smiles, turns to press lackey) We won!!!

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 28, 2023 05:20 PM (Angsy)

38 The Russians have been kicking the Ukrainians butts for most of the war. The Junta, WEF and MSM has been hiding that fact.

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 05:21 PM (gmo/4)

39 And when do we get a refund from Zelensky?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (x0n13)

You return the missing portion of our sovereignty and we'll refund the unused portion of your money.

Posted by: V. Zelensky at December 28, 2023 05:21 PM (eaI2m)

40 Off-topic, but does anyone know any place that sells discount Viagra?

Posted by: Glenn John at December 28, 2023 05:21 PM (JjdmK)

41 So, we laundered all of that money pretending to help Ukraine....

....and left Taiwan twisting in the wind.

We're fantastic allies.

Next up, more money for Iran's nuclear program.

That's how we roll.

Posted by: Sam Adams at December 28, 2023 05:21 PM (KEWDx)

42 Blinken just admitted the Biden Admin is cutting Ukraine loose

Well, BadTouchShitBrain, Hunter and Zelensky have basically already drained the cow, so why not cut her loose?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 28, 2023 05:22 PM (wtvvX)

43 Afghanistan II: Surrender Boogaloo!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:22 PM (eaI2m)

44 And when do we get a refund from Zelensky?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (x0n13)

Turns out pockets

I'm broke.

Posted by: Zelensky at December 28, 2023 05:22 PM (Angsy)

45 This never gets discussed here - but Putin used a perfectly good pretext to go for a much wider goal. The far Eastern areas of Ukraine are ethnically Russian, they are politically supportive of joining Russia, and they are also routinely harassed and exploited by the Ukes.
__________________

Were they always ethnically Russian, or did they become that way as a consequence of the Soviets moving Russians into those areas?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 05:22 PM (YqDXo)

46 13 I'm no fan of Putin, but if he "wins" this, it's a big kick in the ass to the Globalists and warmongers here who pushed us to get involved.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I'm not so sure.
I think it will strengthen Russia and China, and the globalists will use that (and the coming Taiwan takeover) to justify their programs.

We (the West) will be left with a weaker slice of the world, and under more tyrannical control. The IC will continue to grow to fight the "Russian threat" and use that to extend their tentacles into East Europe.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 28, 2023 05:22 PM (Efrrv)

47 What about all the poor Uke retirement funds I had to fund? Who will help them now?

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 05:23 PM (SzI2j)

48 Well the Democrats are finally consistent on one point - there is no border worth defending.

We really need to be invaded by the Grand Duchy of Fenwick.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:23 PM (wrgm/)

49 So when does Putin start blitzing through Europe as I was assured he would do unless we won in Ukraine?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2023 05:23 PM (ZLI7S)

50 Bomb Russia
Bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb

Posted by: Miss Lindsey at December 28, 2023 05:23 PM (RilAR)

51 The IC will continue to grow to fight the "Russian threat" and use that to extend their tentacles into East Europe.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 28, 2023 05:22 PM (Efrrv)

I doubt it. Our IC is too tied up chasing down parents who complain at school board meetings and monitoring people who make fun of Biden on the internet.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:24 PM (eaI2m)

52 Everyone relax. None of the NATO and US military planners who ran this whole enterprise and provided training, intel, and tactics to Ukraine are in any danger of learning how utterly fucking worthless they actually are at their jobs.

Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2023 05:24 PM (wb1YC)

53 @48

>>Have you ever worked with any Russians ? I have.

Yes, I have. Salts of the earth they were, I wouldn't, however, leave them alone with my sister.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2023 05:25 PM (XV/Pl)

54 54 Everyone relax. None of the NATO and US military planners who ran this whole enterprise and provided training, intel, and tactics to Ukraine are in any danger of learning how utterly fucking worthless they actually are at their jobs.
Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2023 05:24 PM (wb1YC)

Defense in depth is SO 20th century....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:25 PM (xcxpd)

55 I think it will strengthen Russia and China, and the globalists will use that (and the coming Taiwan takeover) to justify their programs.

We (the West) will be left with a weaker slice of the world, and under more tyrannical control. The IC will continue to grow to fight the "Russian threat" and use that to extend their tentacles into East Europe.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 28, 2023 05:22 PM (Efrrv)
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Well done, F. Joe.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 05:25 PM (YqDXo)

56 My only question is, does this mean Milley gets another medal for his chest?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:25 PM (eaI2m)

57 The administration is "regularizing" population and territorial ownership, you know, just like illegal immigration.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2023 05:26 PM (W/lyH)

58 > nd when do we get a refund from Zelensky?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
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SNORT!

You funny guy.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2023 05:26 PM (Q4IgG)

59 Won't YOU help support a starving Ukrainian oligarch? For just $15,000 an hour, you...

Posted by: Tiny Violin Marketing Group, LLC at December 28, 2023 05:26 PM (qUkBO)

60 Biden to his Ukrainian bribers:

You f'ed up! You trusted us!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 28, 2023 05:26 PM (rTXiG)

61 Rumor has it Zelensky is so worried he's changed clothes.

Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2023 05:27 PM (wb1YC)

62 51 So when does Putin start blitzing through Europe as I was assured he would do unless we won in Ukraine?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2023 05:23 PM (ZLI7S)

5-15 years? Next up is confederating with Moldova and then taking or puppeting Ukraine over the next 5 years.

After that....well, wouldn't want to be a Baltic nation.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:27 PM (xcxpd)

63 I hold in my hand, some 12 year-old boobs, no wait, PEACE IN OUR TIME.

Posted by: President Potatohead at December 28, 2023 05:27 PM (eaI2m)

64 Okay, Zelensky is on his own, eh? This should be interesting. I'm betting he is offed in order to keep him quiet about the money laundering.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 05:27 PM (tT6L1)

65 46 This never gets discussed here - but Putin used a perfectly good pretext to go for a much wider goal. The far Eastern areas of Ukraine are ethnically Russian, they are politically supportive of joining Russia, and they are also routinely harassed and exploited by the Ukes.
__________________

Were they always ethnically Russian, or did they become that way as a consequence of the Soviets moving Russians into those areas?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 05:22 PM (YqDXo)

ding ding ding

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:28 PM (xcxpd)

66 Didn't they almost jail Musk for treason just running a poll about this?

Posted by: blaster at December 28, 2023 05:28 PM (Z8alR)

67 >>5-15 years? Next up is confederating with Moldova and then taking or puppeting Ukraine over the next 5 years.

>>After that....well, wouldn't want to be a Baltic nation.

We keep lying and expanding NATO eastward it might happen even faster.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2023 05:29 PM (ZLI7S)

68 Okay, Zelensky is on his own, eh? This should be interesting. I'm betting he is offed in order to keep him quiet about the money laundering.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 05:27 PM (tT6L1)

He'll probably end up in a fancy apartment in Qatar.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:29 PM (eaI2m)

69 I think the Russians got some good experience out of this war. They now have a better understanding of the abilities and performance of their equipment, tactics and logistics. I think they also got good information on NATO supplied equipment and signals intelligence from our inept military leadership.

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 05:29 PM (gmo/4)

70 but but my coworker who is Joy Behar fangirl assured me Putin would die of cancer six months ago!

Posted by: kallisto at December 28, 2023 05:29 PM (UQjPz)

71 But what do I do with the huge Ukraine flag I have flying on my garage prow?

And how do I get all the big bucks back I sent to buy them drones?

Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (KiBMU)

72 He'll probably end up in a fancy apartment in Qatar.

I hear there a bunch of sudden vacancies there.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (wrgm/)

73 Unexpectedly.

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (HExEQ)

74 71 >>5-15 years? Next up is confederating with Moldova and then taking or puppeting Ukraine over the next 5 years.

>>After that....well, wouldn't want to be a Baltic nation.

We keep lying and expanding NATO eastward it might happen even faster.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2023 05:29 PM (ZLI7S)

I can't see it happening faster than 5 years. Russia lost. a shit ton of material. But...Russia also just gained invaluable experience in war fighting, the hard way. And they now know just how much or how little the other Euro nations will support someone.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (xcxpd)

75 Ukraine giving up territory is the only way I see it coming to a halt. But then in a bunch of years it will start up for more territory

Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (fwDg9)

76 Note to Zelensky: You know those key fob remotes that let you start your car?

I'd get one.

Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (wb1YC)

77 All this money for a country that only gave us a four string midget guitar?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (0EOe9)

78 I wonder what happened to make President Energizer Bunny to back off on Ukraine.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (x42Y3)

79 but but my coworker who is Joy Behar fangirl assured me Putin would die of cancer six months ago!
Posted by: kallisto at December 28, 2023 05:29 PM (UQjPz)
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You must day drink to put up with that kind of idiocy.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (tT6L1)

80 How many future generations of Ukrainians were annihilated because of the West’s insistence in fighting Russia. This is an atrocity - by design.

Evil.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 05:31 PM (Hkcdp)

81 79 Ukraine giving up territory is the only way I see it coming to a halt. But then in a bunch of years it will start up for more territory
Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (fwDg9)

Yup. Territory or sovereignty.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:32 PM (xcxpd)

82 All this money for a country that only gave us a four string midget guitar?

Thousand Millimeter Reich formed a band?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:32 PM (wrgm/)

83 73 I think the Russians got some good experience out of this war. They now have a better understanding of the abilities and performance of their equipment, tactics and logistics. I think they also got good information on NATO supplied equipment and signals intelligence from our inept military leadership.

Posted by: Archer

China CHina CHina. They are the ones who learned.
Not directly applicable, but they are the big winners.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 28, 2023 05:32 PM (Efrrv)

84 This sounds like the typical Biden BS. If they are going to do that never should have went in there to begin with.

Posted by: vic at December 28, 2023 05:33 PM (A5THL)

85 This indicates that the graft, skimming, and money laundering, which were the true goals of this whole operation, have been achieved and US involvement no longer serves the oligarchy's purposes.

Posted by: Billions for pedo grifters and defense contractors, nothing for us at December 28, 2023 05:33 PM (YxNDc)

86 Another glorious victory!

Posted by: PG at December 28, 2023 05:33 PM (gQbO4)

87 86 Singing "Pearly Shells".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 28, 2023 05:33 PM (0EOe9)

88 Unexpectedly!

Posted by: Finland at December 28, 2023 05:33 PM (Efrrv)

89 Buy hey, someone has made off with hundreds of billions sent there by Biden and other Western nations. Someone got fat off of the theft from us, our children and likely grandchildren.

Treason.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 05:33 PM (Hkcdp)

90 I too have learned.

Posted by: DOYLE at December 28, 2023 05:34 PM (Z8Yh2)

91 I can't wait for Joey Bidet to steal "Mission Accomplished."

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:34 PM (wrgm/)

92 The absolute baffoonery of the dilettantes of this administration is astounding. Poly Sci sophomores in a second rate state college are smarter than this.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2023 05:34 PM (W/lyH)

93 It's time to tighten belts in the Mitch McConnell household.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:35 PM (eaI2m)

94 88 This sounds like the typical Biden BS. If they are going to do that never should have went in there to begin with.
Posted by: vic at December 28, 2023 05:33 PM (A5THL)

I agree. But the Uniparty is probably happy to degrade Russian military with no US losses.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:35 PM (xcxpd)

95 The Junta wanted American boots on the ground. Somewhere along the way, the Junta finally got it through their heads it was a bad idea due to lack of warfighting capabilities and zero public support.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 05:35 PM (tT6L1)

96 So, that trip Biden took to Ukraine to show support was a photo op??

I'm shocked.

Posted by: dantesed at December 28, 2023 05:35 PM (88xKn)

97 The absolute baffoonery of the dilettantes of this administration is astounding. Poly Sci sophomores in a second rate state college are smarter than this.

Sen. Blutarsky resembles this remark.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:35 PM (wrgm/)

98 (Whispering) We won. We won. We saved Ukraine from Iraq.

Posted by: JoKe Biden* at December 28, 2023 05:36 PM (qUkBO)

99 @89

>>This indicates that the graft, skimming, and money laundering, which were the true goals of this whole operation, have been achieved and US involvement no longer serves the oligarchy's purposes.

Looking on the sunny side, the maniacs in charge are getting us out of this quagmire after only 2 years, it could have been 20.

So that's nice.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2023 05:36 PM (XV/Pl)

100 So much of our money wasted. For what?

Posted by: redridinghood at December 28, 2023 05:36 PM (NpAcC)

101 And I think he will do what he wanted to do when he was knifed in the back by the LE/IC, and that is forge an alliance with Russia.

Also pro-tip to Trump and his satellites, when you win the election, do not take any calls or talk to anyone until you are sworn in.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2023 05:14 PM (XV/Pl)
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Why? We have no reason to align with Russia and won't. We will buy their commodities. Because they need the cash.

I am curious, inasmuch as this has been pretty much a stalemate - a certain WWI feel to it.

Is the money running out because the House said no money unless you secure the southern border? We are making more ammo - its not a real issue. What is so fucking important they won't secure the southern border to continue with their share of the Ukrainian graft?

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 05:36 PM (GZYu7)

102 Hungary is in opposition to funding. The Poles are PO'ed by Ukraine grain trade. The economy is heading back to pre-war levels so manufacturers have pivoted back to consumers.

The U.S. might be hanging on.
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CBS News: U.S.
Biden announces $250 million in military aid to Ukraine, final package of 2023, updated 12/27/23

The aid package — the final of 2023 — will include arms and equipment, including air defense munitions, anti-armor munitions, ammunition for high mobility artillery rocket systems, and more than 15 million rounds of small arms ammunition, a State Department spokesperson said to CBS News.

The announcement ...also came as Ukraine's allies have dramatically scaled back their funding of Ukraine, which has fallen to its lowest level since the start of the war, according to the German-based Kiel Institute's Ukraine aid tracker.

Biden also said Congress needed to pass the supplemental funding for Ukraine before... they give [Vladimir] Putin the greatest Christmas gift they could possibly give him."

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 28, 2023 05:37 PM (GshMh)

103 I don't recall seeing anything with civilian losses in Ukraine. I remember seeing stories about Russia shelling Ukrainian cities and ten deaths as a result.

Compare and contrast reporting on Gaza.

Ii am not saying one is good and one is bad. I am saying that reporting is terrible all the time.

Posted by: blaster at December 28, 2023 05:37 PM (Z8alR)

104 But what do I do with the huge Ukraine flag I have flying on my garage prow?.

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Re-cover with the Hamas & Iranian flags on one side and the LGBTQIAWTFBBQ+PEDO & Antifa flags on the other?

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 28, 2023 05:37 PM (HExEQ)

105 Now we'll be spending billions on reconstruction. Gotta keep the money-laundering machines going.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2023 05:37 PM (BdMk6)

106 Peace in our times.
Any Ukrainian with the smarts of a rock is packing now, thinking of going to the EU or the US.

Posted by: PG at December 28, 2023 05:37 PM (gQbO4)

107 This is a lot to do with the 15% inflation we have now.

Posted by: vic at December 28, 2023 05:37 PM (A5THL)

108 "I agree. But the Uniparty is probably happy to degrade Russian military with no US losses."

Um, HELLO.

Posted by: US Treasury at December 28, 2023 05:37 PM (qUkBO)

109 Zelenskyy is the Kaboom of wannabe dictators

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 28, 2023 05:38 PM (L6L3u)

110 112 "I agree. But the Uniparty is probably happy to degrade Russian military with no US losses."

Um, HELLO.
Posted by: US Treasury at December 28, 2023 05:37 PM (qUkBO)

Oh like money is real anymore

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:38 PM (xcxpd)

111 I'd be willing to bet there is a little mordida in the last spending authorization for Lil' Z to keep his pie hole shut, too. We'll see if, and how loudly he wails about the loss of graft.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 28, 2023 05:38 PM (YRsIm)

112 This signals the near completion of cleaning up all of the illegal nuclear, biological and chemical weapons facilities that were operating on Ukraine soil. Fear not, the petrol will still flow, much to the chagrin of the Euro-eco fags.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 28, 2023 05:38 PM (J3ryZ)

113 This indicates that the graft, skimming, and money laundering, which were the true goals of this whole operation, have been achieved and US involvement no longer serves the oligarchy's purposes.

Posted by: Billions for pedo grifters and defense contractors, nothing for us at December 28, 2023 05:33 PM (YxNDc)
==
Not buying it. Their appetite is insatiable. And closing the border would actually help them in the upcoming elections, they are getting creamed on the issue.

Sex trafficking?

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 05:38 PM (GZYu7)

114 "Puppet of Putin is getting his strings pulled!" Nah, the Metallica version is better.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 28, 2023 05:38 PM (KAi1n)

115 Unpopular opinion follows...

The Ukrainians, mostly with our help (intel, arms, training, etc.) put a hurting on Russia so bad that Putin sought to escalate to target American assets with Russian proxies. Or allied Russian proxies.

Like maybe Iran's Houthi's and Syrian/Iraqi belligerents.

Or not.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2023 05:38 PM (Q4IgG)

116 A late comment to be sure but I was not a Kaboom kid because mom and dad didn't love us enough. Plain, unflavored Cheerios. No color, no texture, no flavor. Not even the comfort of the fleeting sweetness of sugar or the colorful promise of death. Just unending bland despair in a bowl with reconstituted powdered milk.

Posted by: They hated us very very much at December 28, 2023 05:38 PM (YxNDc)

117 Watch what the globalists implement in Ukraine now that they’ve wiped out a good portion of its population, infrastructure and property. It’s ripe for incubating their 2035 goals. What happens to all that farmland?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 05:39 PM (Hkcdp)

118 BIDEN IS PUTIN'S PUPPET!

Am I doing this right?

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at December 28, 2023 05:40 PM (BMHsU)

119 Zelenskyy better have an escape plan…

Posted by: Lizzy at December 28, 2023 05:40 PM (Hkcdp)

120 I was told that the Ukes were at the gates of Moscow. Strange.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at December 28, 2023 05:41 PM (BMHsU)

121 Way back when I thought a useful alliance against Islamic Fascism would be US Israel Russia and India.

Russia would be a better ally than an enemy. They are more European than Asian in outlook and would be a good counter to China which unfortunately we have driven those two together.

There are a lot of good reasons to be friends with the Russians. Even Hillary Clinton could see that.

Posted by: blaster at December 28, 2023 05:41 PM (Z8alR)

122 Zelensky better have an escape plan…

Is Epstein Island still for sale?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:41 PM (wrgm/)

123 You know who else was at the gates of Moscow?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:42 PM (eaI2m)

124 Zelensky didn't zelensky himself!

Posted by: ET at December 28, 2023 05:42 PM (plqnc)

125 ...We are making more ammo - its not a real issue...
Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 05:36 PM (GZYu7)

We are not making enough ammo + Missiles and not making it fast enough.

https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/ p/barfights-winchester-indians-and

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:42 PM (xcxpd)

126 We're going to hear so many stories about Ukranian elites with billion dollar bank accounts in places like Liechtenstein and the Cayman Islands.

What do you want to bet "patriot" Zelensky leaves Ukraine and never comes back?

The necocon idiots like Mitch McConnell could have spared a lot of suffering and death by cutting funding off at the knees a long time ago.

Posted by: Blago at December 28, 2023 05:42 PM (wMRY8)

127 Things you don't know goin on

http://tinyurl.com/mtf45vw2

Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2023 05:42 PM (ZLI7S)

128 The Zelensky

Sounds like something done with a zipper.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:43 PM (wrgm/)

129 It's just a "minor incursion."

Posted by: No biggie at December 28, 2023 05:43 PM (NBVIP)

130 Yes, I have. Salts of the earth they were, I wouldn't, however, leave them alone with my sister.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2023 05:25 PM (XV/Pl)

....or an open liquor cabinet.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2023 05:43 PM (BdMk6)

131 123 You know who else was at the gates of Moscow?
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Mitt Romney? j/k

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at December 28, 2023 05:43 PM (BMHsU)

132 Watch what the globalists implement in Ukraine now that they’ve wiped out a good portion of its population, infrastructure and property. It’s ripe for incubating their 2035 goals. What happens to all that farmland?

***

The globalist crowd, which is nothing more than monarchism with the serial numbers filed off, never seems to understand just how mouthy they are for a
group of people that aren't flameproof or bulletproof.

Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2023 05:44 PM (wb1YC)

133 Happy anniversary Ace! Thanks for all that you do to run the best website on the internet.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 28, 2023 05:44 PM (U8FVn)

134 I think it will take 18 months to get back to pre-Ukraine stockpile on 155mm shells if we surge production.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:44 PM (wrgm/)

135 They already are: Admin. for Children and Families, Office of Refugee Settlement:

Are you a Ukrainian individual, or non-Ukrainian individual who last habitually resided in Ukraine, who has been granted humanitarian parole?

You may be eligible for federal “mainstream” (non-ORR funded) benefits, such as cash assistance through Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or Supplemental Security Income (SSI), health insurance through Medicaid, and food assistance through Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). You may also be eligible for cash assistance, medical assistance, employment preparation, job placement, English language training, and other services offered through the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR). This document focuses on the benefits and services funded by ORR.

There's much more to read at ^ site.

Oh look! Future White Supremacists?

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 28, 2023 05:45 PM (GshMh)

136 134 I think it will take 18 months to get back to pre-Ukraine stockpile on 155mm shells if we surge production.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:44 PM (wrgm/)

I hope:
1. that we do get that back in just 18 months
2. that we don't need a whole bunch of 155 shells before then

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:45 PM (xcxpd)

137 Did Joe suddenly realize Putin is not intimidated by his aviators?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 05:46 PM (x42Y3)

138 There are a lot of good reasons to be friends with the Russians. Even Hillary Clinton could see that.
Posted by: blaster at December 28, 2023 05:41 PM (Z8alR)

How the hell we continue to be allies with Turkey... against a non existent Soviet Union, baffles me.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 05:46 PM (xaFKb)

139 Posted by: Azathoth at December 28, 2023 05:44 PM (wb1YC)

A monarchy would be preferable to what the globalists want.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:46 PM (OsDER)

140 134 I think it will take 18 months to get back to pre-Ukraine stockpile on 155mm shells if we surge production.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:44 PM (wrgm/)

5 to 7 years for anti tank missiles.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 05:46 PM (xaFKb)

141 Yes, I have. Salts of the earth they were, I wouldn't, however, leave them alone with my sister.

Like I said ... more like flyover country folks than anyone else I've worked with. Except the Argentines. If I ever have to get out of the US ? I'm going to Argentina.

Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 05:46 PM (vYniK)

142 Hapsburg > Klaus Schwab

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:47 PM (wrgm/)

143 The necocon idiots like Mitch McConnell could have spared a lot of suffering and death by cutting funding off at the knees a long time ago.

Posted by: Blago at December 28, 2023 05:42 PM (wMRY

Maybe they just don't care about anyone other than themselves? Maimed, dead, all the same to them. Probably don't consider them people, just numbers. No concern for what will happen after they're gone. Could be they believe that this life is all there is, nothing after, so grab what you can, live the high life and don't think about the consequences.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 28, 2023 05:47 PM (Angsy)

144 Happy anniversary Ace! Thanks for all that you do to run the best website on the internet.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 28, 2023 05:44 PM (U8FVn)

Long time, no sea, wolf.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 28, 2023 05:48 PM (Angsy)

145 Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 28, 2023 05:47 PM (Angsy)

They just want us to be stupid tax paying serfs. Not actually citizens who are involved in the affairs of government and power.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:48 PM (OsDER)

146 Trump is BACK on the ballot in Colorado: Secretary of State says she will include ex-president's name in the 2024 primary unless the Supreme Court rules he should be disqualified

Posted by: Don Black at December 28, 2023 05:48 PM (geLO8)

147 We are not making enough ammo + Missiles and not making it fast enough.

https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/ p/barfights-winchester-indians-and

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:42 PM (xcxpd)
==
Nah, not a persuasive argument there to suggest we can't supply Ukraine. You have to replenish ammo all the time whether you use it or not. We've ramped up what we are sending to Ukraine. Its the money - Biden won't secure the border so there is no more money. Interesting. I'm thinking it is all a ruse to see if they can split off some of the weaker GOP.

Hungry we don't care about. Poland is getting major weapons upgrade from us. I am aware of their domestic political problem, but they will do what we say under the table.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 05:48 PM (GZYu7)

148 134 It was very quiet around here, the Fort Chaffee area this summer, usually just reserves or Guard lighting off some arty. Not so much, like maybe out of ammo.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 28, 2023 05:48 PM (0EOe9)

149 ....or an open liquor cabinet.

Those guys drink like nothing else I’ve ever seen. Warm, shitty vodka by the bottle.

Posted by: Kratwurst at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (fcDpY)

150 All of this was known or should’ve been known in early 2022…. In fact if Winken Blinken had encouraged Zelensky to negotiate and stop sliding towards NATO the war never would’ve happened. Imagine how many Ukrainian lives would’ve been saved in that scenario compared to what actually happened…. A tragedy all around and our malign fingerprints are all over it

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (xT8gx)

151 You return the missing portion of our sovereignty and we'll refund the unused portion of your money.

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Unused? You have it in a secret Caymans bank account. Lol.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (BMHsU)

152
Ukraine bribery to the Sundowner administration git them covered this far

Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (fwDg9)

153 I hope those mewling quim of Colorado justices who refused to sign their name are presently getting stoned and blotto at the same time.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (wrgm/)

154 As soon as russia set up 3 lines of defense, it was clear that it was no longer a game of territorial gain. All of the pundits commenting on lack of Russian advance were completely missing the boat. Same as comments about thin lines (necessary in a smart bomb trench war...). Such a stupid war.

Posted by: Tom at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (/9Ou5)

155 The necocon idiots like Mitch McConnell could have spared a lot of suffering and death by cutting funding off at the knees a long time ago.

Honestly ? I don't think my Dad is a neocon. But he, like me, grew up in the Cold War. He's a herd thinker. When he saw Russians on the move ? His knee-jerk reaction - and he has no other kind - was that the Russians have to be stopped.

That really is a lot of it, I think. Many Boomers and Silents especially. The Cold War is all they know. They'll die looking at the world through the lens of the Cold War. Not all, maybe not even most. But certainly some.

Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 05:50 PM (vYniK)

156 We're not doing but Our Democracy (TM) anymore?

Posted by: I Mean at December 28, 2023 05:50 PM (vcOd1)

157 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (xT8gx)

It wasn’t pursued because they didn’t want to pursue peace. Just war and money laundering.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:50 PM (OsDER)

158 And there's less Ukranians to complain when this ends, the decimation is clear, and the oligarchs come in and buy everything up for practically nothing.

Almost seems like it was planned.......

Posted by: Moustache Man at December 28, 2023 05:50 PM (ViEsK)

159 Unpopular opinion follows...

The Ukrainians, mostly with our help (intel, arms, training, etc.) put a hurting on Russia so bad that Putin sought to escalate to target American assets with Russian proxies. Or allied Russian proxies.

Like maybe Iran's Houthi's and Syrian/Iraqi belligerents.

Or not.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2023 05:38 PM (Q4IgG)
***

Conversely, the writing is on the wall for even the most junior analyst. With the Spring comes a knockout blow to Ukraine as the Russian military will have had a year to rest, refit, retrain, and reinforce its army.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2023 05:50 PM (W/lyH)

160 Lt. Col Bearclaw will have him impeached for this!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 28, 2023 05:50 PM (s0j9U)

161 "Oh look! Future White Supremacists?

So, you've heard of us?

Posted by: AZOV Battalion at December 28, 2023 05:50 PM (spJU8)

162 Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 05:50 PM (vYniK)

I think this is accurate for the voting class. Not the politicians. They know what’s up.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:51 PM (OsDER)

163 In my experience, most Russians are pretty shady. Always seem to be running a con. YMMV.

Ultimately, I just don't think we can ever really trust Russia with anything, especially when it's ll former KGB people still running the place (like Putin). Their leadership of oligarchs, bureaucrats, and gangsters are largely drawn from the same communist leadership in the USSR days. They still have a Cold War mentality that we're the enemy.

Posted by: Blago at December 28, 2023 05:51 PM (nH8H4)

164 Ukraine f’ed up, they trusted us.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 28, 2023 05:51 PM (X0a0C)

165 Could be they believe that this life is all there is, nothing after, so grab what you can, live the high life and don't think about the consequences.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 28, 2023 05:47 PM (Angsy)
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Very much this.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 05:52 PM (tT6L1)

166 Where my SC peeps?

https://youtu.be/JSLs5o3bspM?si=rGdEa9Rm15RZmosZ

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 28, 2023 05:52 PM (Wnv9h)

167 Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 05:48 PM (GZYu7)

Modern Anti Tank missiles use? microchips... chips we do not make in America.

Our modern military supply lines lead to foreign suppliers in most cases. Suppliers we do not control.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 05:52 PM (xaFKb)

168 Ace has been at this for 20 years. My rough estimate is 22,000 posts. He's typed his fingers to the bone.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 05:52 PM (x42Y3)

169 They just want us to be stupid tax paying serfs. Not actually citizens who are involved in the affairs of government and power.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:48 PM (OsDER)

Just like Iotia. There won't be any government affairs. Just a gangland. Oxmyx hits Krako, Krako hits Tepo....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 28, 2023 05:52 PM (Angsy)

170 Gosh you mean reality has always been reality and all we accomplished was a lot of needless death?

Posted by: sven at December 28, 2023 05:53 PM (X0I7i)

171 Has Ace's screen name always been Ace?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 05:53 PM (x42Y3)

172 Any non corrupt individual knew there was no way the Ukes could stop the Russians. Fighting over boundaries in that area has gone on since before the USA existed. This was both the neo cons and the leftist one worlders seeing a grift they couldn't resist. Us taxpayers and a couple of hundred thousand dead Ukrainians be damned

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 28, 2023 05:54 PM (iYJk7)

173 I think this is accurate for the voting class. Not the politicians. They know what’s up.

Too Sweet !!!

Drop me a line sometime.

Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 05:54 PM (vYniK)

174 Posted by: sven at December 28, 2023 05:53 PM (X0I7i)

FOR DEMOCRACY

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:54 PM (OsDER)

175 I thought the whole Russian government was going to collapse in any moment now.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 28, 2023 05:54 PM (cOq4q)

176 Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 05:54 PM (vYniK)

You got it!

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:54 PM (OsDER)

177 tragedy all around and our malign fingerprints are all over it
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (xT8gx)
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Zelensky traded lives for riches.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 05:54 PM (tT6L1)

178 Israel v Hamas stole Ukraine's thunder

Posted by: Don Black at December 28, 2023 05:55 PM (geLO8)

179 NYT- Putin Quietly Signals He Is Open to a Cease-Fire in Ukraine. Mr. Putin says that Russia’s war goals have not changed. Addressing his generals on Tuesday, he boasted that Ukraine was so beleaguered that Russia’s invading troops were doing “what we want"...But in a recent push of back-channel diplomacy, Mr. Putin has been sending a different message: He is ready to make a deal.

Mr. Putin has been signaling through intermediaries since at least September that he is open to a cease-fire that freezes the fighting along the current lines, far short of his ambitions to dominate Ukraine...

He can declare victory and pull back to the 1991 borders. Or lose. And pay $1 trillion in compensatory damages. And present himself, along with many of his ministers and generals at the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague.

A head fake designed to support his lackey Republican quislings in their their efforts to kill further American aid to Ukraine when they come back to Congress in January.

Russia will never swallow even basic aspects of any potential deal, ie reparations to Ukraine for all the damage they’ve inflicted and Ukraine security guarantees.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 28, 2023 05:55 PM (ycI94)

180 Could be they believe that this life is all there is, nothing after, so grab what you can, live the high life and don't think about the consequences.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 28, 2023 05:47 PM (Angsy)
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Very much this.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 05:52 PM (tT6L1)

Gonna be surprised then, ain't they.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 28, 2023 05:55 PM (Angsy)

181 >>> Ultimately, I just don't think we can ever really trust Russia with anything, especially when it's ll former KGB people still running the place (like Putin). Their leadership of oligarchs, bureaucrats, and gangsters are largely drawn from the same communist leadership in the USSR days. They still have a Cold War mentality that we're the enemy.

USA, look into the mirror...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 28, 2023 05:55 PM (cOq4q)

182 Could be they believe that this life is all there is, nothing after, so grab what you can, live the high life and don't think about the consequences.

Historically, this shit happens from time to time. The Roaring Twenties were very much this. Didn't end well.

Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 05:55 PM (vYniK)

183 Has Ace's screen name always been Ace?
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 05:53 PM (x42Y3)

Yes, as long I can remember.

Posted by: dantesed at December 28, 2023 05:55 PM (88xKn)

184 What’s the over/under on Zelensky’s timeline for going into exile (a very luxurious exile)? 9 months would be my guess….

I don’t think your average Ukrainian is going to be very happy with him when he brokers a peace deal which is about the same as he could’ve gotten in Feb 2022…. All the thousands of Ukrainian dead and maimed; for what?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 05:55 PM (xT8gx)

185 154 As soon as russia set up 3 lines of defense, it was clear that it was no longer a game of territorial gain. All of the pundits commenting on lack of Russian advance were completely missing the boat. Same as comments about thin lines (necessary in a smart bomb trench war...). Such a stupid war.
Posted by: Tom at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (/9Ou5)

And all we had to do was LISTEN to what Russia was saying. They took part of the Country that primarily spoke Russian... and made it part of Russia (kinda like we did with Texas and California)...

Now, as far as they are concerned, they are defending Russia.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (xaFKb)

186 Leftists covered their Resist bumper stickers with Ukraine flag stickers.

What sticker will cover the Ukraine one?

Posted by: I Mean at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (vcOd1)

187 Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 05:54 PM (tT6L1)

Most importantly: his life.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (OsDER)

188 The important thing is that the Big Guy gets his 20 percent.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (x42Y3)

189 But is Russia willing to make a deal, knowing that we're preparing to abandon the Ukrainians to their fate?

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (CwhoI)

190 Ukraine f’ed up, they trusted us.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
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They really have no excuses for not having put this thing away by now. What did the West not do for them? As far as I'm concerned, they were given a blank check. Zelensky got just about everything he asked for. Arms, munitions, money, intelligence, sanctions, on and on.

Posted by: Blago at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (nH8H4)

191 Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (xaFKb)

This.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (OsDER)

192 Gosh you mean reality has always been reality and all we accomplished was a lot of needless death?
Posted by: sven at December 28, 2023 05:53 PM (X0I7i)

Needless. Hee hee.

Posted by: WEF at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (Angsy)

193 Has Ace's screen name always been Ace?
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 05:53 PM (x42Y3)

Lamont the Big Dummy?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 05:57 PM (xT8gx)

194 Is it only 20 years? I thought I discovered ace just after 9/11.

Posted by: blaster at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (Z8alR)

195 Leftists covered their Resist bumper stickers with Ukraine flag stickers.

What sticker will cover the Ukraine one?
Posted by: I Mean at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (vcOd1)

Nigeria has entered the conversation.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (W/lyH)

196 Posted by: Diogenes at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (W/lyH)

Pedo flag.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (OsDER)

197 And a lot of those chips come from Taiwan, the Republic of China, that Beijing covets.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (wrgm/)

198 168 Ace has been at this for 20 years. My rough estimate is 22,000 posts. He's typed his fingers to the bone.
Posted by: Northernlurker

But does he have a stubby index finger?

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (C/VHT)

199 >>> Trump is BACK on the ballot in Colorado: Secretary of State says she will include ex-president's name in the 2024 primary unless the Supreme Court rules he should be disqualified
Posted by: Don Black

Purely partisan anti-Trump political smear campaign using State funds.

This is our state governments now (Trump target or not).

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (cOq4q)

200 Tim Pool over a month ago put up a map of territorial gains by Russia and basically said, "Russia won. They have the territory they were after."

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (tT6L1)

201 >Leftists covered their Resist bumper stickers with Ukraine flag stickers.

What sticker will cover the Ukraine one?
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maybe they have some FREE TIBET stickers left over

Posted by: Don Black at December 28, 2023 05:59 PM (geLO8)

202 134 I think it will take 18 months to get back to pre-Ukraine stockpile on 155mm shells if we surge production.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:44 PM (wrgm/)

5 to 7 years for anti tank missiles.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 05:46 PM

But Biduh used a war time act to increase electric heaters. SMFH.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 28, 2023 05:59 PM (SzI2j)

203 186 Leftists covered their Resist bumper stickers with Ukraine flag stickers.

What sticker will cover the Ukraine one?
Posted by: I Mean

It's always the right time to support Pride, comrade. With another bumper sticker. You have at least one already, da?

Posted by: Gaystapo at December 28, 2023 05:59 PM (ycI94)

204 Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (tT6L1)

Plus, hasn’t that patch of land been fought over since time immemorial?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:59 PM (OsDER)

205 Pedo flag.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (OsDER)

aka "rainbow flag"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 28, 2023 05:59 PM (tkR6S)

206 Leftists covered their Resist bumper stickers with Ukraine flag stickers.

What sticker will cover the Ukraine one?

COEXIST bumper sticker has entered Chat

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 28, 2023 05:59 PM (wrgm/)

207 21 I always wondered how is it we hardly have any footage of the uke - rooskie war compared to what’s going on in Gaza
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 28, 2023 05:17 PM (VTu1l)

That Hamas LARPer (you know, the one that is in so many of the photos...) only works in Gaza.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at December 28, 2023 06:00 PM (Rbu5d)

208 154 As soon as russia set up 3 lines of defense, it was clear that it was no longer a game of territorial gain. All of the pundits commenting on lack of Russian advance were completely missing the boat. Same as comments about thin lines (necessary in a smart bomb trench war...). Such a stupid war.
Posted by: Tom at December 28, 2023 05:49 PM (/9Ou5)

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AGREE. Didn't anyone play Risk around here?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at December 28, 2023 06:00 PM (cMXNt)

209 And all we had to do was LISTEN to what Russia was saying. They took part of the Country that primarily spoke Russian... and made it part of Russia (kinda like we did with Texas and California)...

We, as a country, are pretty damned tone-deaf when it comes to individual liberty.

We try to force Democracy in the Middle East. An area that, frankly, was writing and doing math while our ancestors were still worshiping pagan gods inside caves. Yet what do we do when a region that speaks and acts and identifies as Russian gets "invaded" by those who speak and act and identify as the same ?

We fund the opposition. Why ? Because we believe borders are absolute and infinite ? No group can ever change their minds ? How very Lincolnesque.

Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 06:00 PM (vYniK)

210 I intend to execute another successful withdrawal from Ukraine as I did from Afghanistan. I want to thank all who died for nothing in another war created by me.........

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 28, 2023 06:01 PM (Qfk4E)

211 But does he have a stubby index finger?
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 28, 2023 05:58 PM (C/VHT)

Stubby index finger
tapping out your code
stubby index finger
looking like a toad

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 28, 2023 06:01 PM (Angsy)

212 Did Ace have a mullet and a soul patch when he started the blog?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 06:02 PM (x42Y3)

213 It follows; Biden is Obama's puppet and Obama told Putin that after the election he would bend over for him.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 28, 2023 06:02 PM (lUstO)

214 >>I think this is accurate for the voting class. Not the politicians. They know what’s up.

I don't think it's accurate for either. I think the propaganda machine could have just as easily convinced a huge segment of this country that they should have supported Putin over Zelensky if it suited the purpose of the deep state and large percentage would have gone along with it.

It wasn't that long ago that Hillary was presenting Russia with a misspelled Easy Button and Obama was assuring Vlad he would have more flexibility after the election and most of the country nodded and said "Isn't that nice.". Most people in this country still don't know we ran a coup in Ukraine and no doubt have had CIA helping run the place ever since.

Color revolutions are mostly about propaganda and narrative control. We've been living under one for years. Helped convince half the country Trump was in Putin's pocket while Bill was getting paid huge coin to give speeches in Moscow.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2023 06:02 PM (ZLI7S)

215 142 Hapsburg > Klaus Schwab
Posted by: Anna Puma

Yes. Not the brightest bunch but still preferrable to Klaus Schwab and his merry bunch of Malthusians.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 28, 2023 06:02 PM (W3T6M)

216 All those lives lost, all that money down the drain, and they're going to wind up doing what was inevitable from day one. Sad.

Posted by: Paco at December 28, 2023 06:02 PM (njExo)

217 I was told that the Ukes were at the gates of Moscow. Strange.
Posted by: Midnight Rambler
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Turns out it was Mussorgsky, at The Great Gate of Kiev.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 28, 2023 06:02 PM (XeU6L)

218 They really have no excuses for not having put this thing away by now. What did the West not do for them? As far as I'm concerned, they were given a blank check. Zelensky got just about everything he asked for. Arms, munitions, money, intelligence, sanctions, on and on.

Posted by: Blago

They're a tiny, poor, corrupt nation fighting one of the largest, most advanced militaries on the planet! Even with significant backing from global powers, theres only so much they can accomplish.

You can only polish a turd so much, as they say...

Posted by: Military Moron at December 28, 2023 06:02 PM (ycI94)

219 Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 06:00 PM (vYniK)

I mean, when you’re run by globalists, you act like globalists.

It explains every move for decades.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 06:03 PM (OsDER)

220 Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 06:00 PM (vYniK)

You cannot GIVE someone Freedom... they must take it for themselves, or they will give it away soon after you give it to them.

We are proving that in this country. We were given Freedom by our ancestors, who fought for it... now? it is taken for granted, and thus is being lost to our own overbearing overlarge Government.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 06:03 PM (xaFKb)

221 Plus, hasn’t that patch of land been fought over since time immemorial?
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:59 PM (OsDER)
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Yeah.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 06:03 PM (tT6L1)

222 Ending the war because the "reconstruction of Ukraine" is where the money is. At least $360 Billion. And wouldn't you know, billionaire crony Penny Pritzker will be in charge of it.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 28, 2023 06:03 PM (KSbq8)

223 Those UKR Label Pins aged like Kaboom in Oat Milk.

Posted by: garrett at December 28, 2023 06:03 PM (FtL2R)

224 206 Leftists covered their Resist bumper stickers with Ukraine flag stickers.

What sticker will cover the Ukraine one?

COEXIST bumper sticker has entered Chat
Posted by: Anna Puma

Palestinian.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 28, 2023 06:04 PM (W3T6M)

225 Posted by: JackStraw at December 28, 2023 06:02 PM (ZLI7S)

Compelling argument. I like it.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 06:04 PM (OsDER)

226 It's really easy. Don't believe an f'n word that comes out of Washington. It's all BS ... everything

Posted by: ET at December 28, 2023 06:04 PM (plqnc)

227 Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 06:03 PM (tT6L1)

Never our shit to get into then.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 06:05 PM (OsDER)

228 56 My only question is, does this mean Milley gets another medal for his chest?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:25 PM (eaI2m)

Epaulets.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at December 28, 2023 06:05 PM (Rbu5d)

229 Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 06:03 PM (xaFKb)

*weeps in 1776*

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 06:05 PM (OsDER)

230 Boy, with friends like Biden.

This bailing out when the going gets rough, like in Afghanistan and now Ukraine, deserves a name. Maybe a Biden bounce.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06:05 PM (FVME7)

231 The good part is that no matter if countries win wars or lose wars, Biden & Biden always gets their commission.

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 06:06 PM (gmo/4)

232 I think the propaganda machine could have just as easily convinced a huge segment of this country that they should have supported Putin over Zelensky if it suited the purpose of the deep state and large percentage would have gone along with it.

You might have a point. My Dad - who, again, I don't think is a monster by any means - is a lifelong smoker. Yet, when Clinton declared the War on Smoking ? Dad was cool with it at the time.

And he's no dunce. Dunces don't cut custom rafters and run three story monolithic concrete pours. But politics, like philosophy and religion, are just a different animal. They hit people in a different part of the brain. I'm convinced of that.

Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 06:07 PM (vYniK)

233 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06:05 PM (FVME7)

Shower session?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 06:07 PM (OsDER)

234 What sticker will cover the Ukraine one?

"Palestine", of course.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 28, 2023 06:07 PM (YAtuc)

235 Maybe Z Man's check bounced.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06:08 PM (FVME7)

236 The Zelensky

Put your right hand out
And you shake it all about

Posted by: Griftinzki at December 28, 2023 06:08 PM (qUkBO)

237 You cannot GIVE someone Freedom... they must take it for themselves, or they will give it away soon after you give it to them.
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Freedom is not a birthright, it must be earned.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (XeU6L)

238 Steiner will push Putin back.
*waves hand lackadaisically*

Posted by: Zelensky at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (4I/2K)

239 After this war is over I'd like to have the contract for de-mining the combat zone. Hundreds of thousands of mines have been strewn across the area. Farming in that area will be like farming in the area of the former WWI trench lines. Old artillery shell percolates up and plow hits it "boom"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (iYJk7)

240 They took part of the Country that primarily spoke Russian... and made it part of Russia

Stalin shipped Russian-speakers all over the map so he could make that claim. You get a free trip to Kaliningrad.

Look, I don't care if you chose to go to Coding Academy instead of getting a college education. Hey, you needed the money. Could you have done the nation the courtesy of paying more attention in grade school? Stupid of your depth ought to hurt.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (FCs/J)

241 Biden should also clarify his position on Taiwan, Israel, Moldova, and the Baltic countries now, to avoid some needless deaths.
All the advanced US weaponry and the million-"soldier" army are just for show, because the US lack resolve. Nothing is worth fighting for. The US are a paper tiger.
Even though no US troops were involved, the US are so afraid of casualties that they surrendered preemptively.
It is clear now that the US armed forces will never again be used to fight an external enemy.
Internal enemies are another thing. They should hold more tank parades in DC.
There's smarts and smarts and clearly the US are lacking in the second kind.

Posted by: PG at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (gQbO4)

242 Should have been obvious as soon as it became obvious that the much hyped "Ukrainian Offensive " was an even bigger flop than The Marvels.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (ot51Z)

243 Never our shit to get into then.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 06:05 PM (OsDER)
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I was against our involvement from day one. And things wound up exactly where they would have,. Only, instead, the Junta threw away billions and wasted thousands of lives.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (tT6L1)

244 > It wasn't that long ago that Hillary was presenting Russia with a misspelled Easy Button and Obama was assuring Vlad he would have more flexibility after the election and most of the country nodded and said "Isn't that nice."
____________

The button was "Reset." But your point is taken.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (Q4IgG)

245 Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 06:07 PM (vYniK)

To your point, Pop was in town for Xmas and I told him I wouldn’t vote for any candidate but Trump or Vivek.

He’s anti-leftist but still holds out hope the GOPe is anti-leftist. When I told him most of it isn’t he begrudgingly agreed asked if I’d rather slow the decline or crash the plane, I said crash it. What’s the difference if we crash with lower corporate tax rates or not?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 06:10 PM (OsDER)

246 Freedom is not a birthright, it must be earned.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (XeU6L)

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Posted by: J. Joplin at December 28, 2023 06:10 PM (eaI2m)

247 You cannot GIVE someone Freedom... they must take it for themselves, or they will give it away soon after you give it to them.
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Freedom is not a birthright, it must be earned.

see england, new zealand, australia, canada

buncha soi boi fags

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:10 PM (RjBju)

248 Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (tT6L1)

Plus laundered a fuckton of money and cleaned up, I’m assuming, the bio labs.

As designed.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 06:10 PM (OsDER)

249 The embarrassing part was that Russia and Ukraine had apparently come close to a deal two months into the war, which we vetoed.

After all, the war was a heaven-sent opportunity to wreck the Russian army, using someone else's blood.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 28, 2023 06:10 PM (YAtuc)

250 The good part is that no matter if countries win wars or lose wars, Biden & Biden always gets their commission.

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 06:06 PM (gmo/4)

Exactly. Just like we taught Valentine about commodities trading.

Posted by: Duke & Duke at December 28, 2023 06:11 PM (4I/2K)

251 Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 28, 2023 06:10 PM (YAtuc)

Fantastic point. The Biden cabal ruined a peace deal with England.

We deal with demons.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 06:12 PM (OsDER)

252 Posted by: Nom de Plume at December 28, 2023 06:07 PM (vYniK)

Absolutely…. I know lots of really smart otherwise sensible people who lost their minds over covid…. And have (shall we say) quirky political beliefs….. propaganda works; that’s why TPTB put so much effort into it

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 06:12 PM (xT8gx)

253 Freedom is not a birthright, it must be earned.

see england, new zealand, australia, canada

buncha soi boi fags
Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:10 PM (RjBju)

/Looks in mirror, thinks about US response to Covid and Jan 6...

Uhhhh...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2023 06:12 PM (xaFKb)

254 Hey, anyone remember Russia's initial attack?
Maybe what they used and the places targeted?
Might be the, or one of the reasons, for it if we knew.

Posted by: TeeJ at December 28, 2023 06:12 PM (spJU8)

255 What's all this happy talk? Once Putin conquers Ukraine, he's rolling straight through Poland to the Fulda Gap! Berlin! Paris! London! And eventually, Washington!

Posted by: Miss Lindsay at December 28, 2023 06:13 PM (BMHsU)

256 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 06:12 PM (xT8gx)

Same. I now treat all advertisements as negative propaganda unless it’s exalting the best in people.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 06:13 PM (OsDER)

257 Stalin shipped Russian-speakers all over the map so he could make that claim. You get a free trip to Kaliningrad.

Eastern and Southern Ukraine have always been Russian-speaking.

Kharkov and Odessa have been Russian-speaking cities since their founding.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 28, 2023 06:13 PM (YAtuc)

258 it was meant to say reset but it said overcharge, because women and minorities are super competent

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:13 PM (RjBju)

259 This never gets discussed here - but Putin used a perfectly good pretext to go for a much wider goal. The far Eastern areas of Ukraine are ethnically Russian, they are politically supportive of joining Russia, and they are also routinely harassed and exploited by the Ukes.
__________________

Were they always ethnically Russian, or did they become that way as a consequence of the Soviets moving Russians into those areas?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 05:22 PM (YqDXo)

More like Catherine the Great and the Tsars 300 or so years ago. The separate nationality of Ukraine is very new and the cities and ports being contended for were built by Russians for the most part. And there is a considerable mixing during the entire period. Its more like Floridians claiming primordial nationhood.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 28, 2023 06:13 PM (asFox)

260 So will Ukraine flags keep disappearing when the Leftists see its no longer the case?

Posted by: Skip at December 28, 2023 06:13 PM (fwDg9)

261 246 Freedom is not a birthright, it must be earned.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 28, 2023 06:09 PM (XeU6L)

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
Posted by: J. Joplin at December 28, 2023 06:10 PM (eaI2m)

Yeah... just tell that bitch to shut up... there were reason I left...

Posted by: Bobby McGee at December 28, 2023 06:13 PM (xaFKb)

262 113 This indicates that the graft, skimming, and money laundering, which were the true goals of this whole operation, have been achieved and US involvement no longer serves the oligarchy's purposes.

Posted by: Billions for pedo grifters and defense contractors, nothing for us at December 28, 2023 05:33 PM (YxNDc)
==
Not buying it. Their appetite is insatiable. And closing the border would actually help them in the upcoming elections, they are getting creamed on the issue.

Sex trafficking?
Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 05:38 PM (GZYu7)

Oh they'll start another round somewhere, but this round is almost complete.

Posted by: Billions for pedo grifters and defense contractors, nothing for us at December 28, 2023 06:14 PM (II3Gr)

263 /Looks in mirror, thinks about US response to Covid and Jan 6...

Uhhhh...
Posted by: R

those were the soi boi fags that got here after the revolutionary war.

besides even then they were bigger soi boi fags.

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:14 PM (RjBju)

264 "We" voted against the Russian/Ukrainian "peace" plan because it cut off a huge grifting spigot for the political, MIC and chattering classes.

And potentially cut off a major supply of the sex/slave trade from Eastern Europe.

It is ALWASYS about the money with these fucks.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 28, 2023 06:15 PM (Q4IgG)

265 Speaking of anal beads and chess does Russia still produce a lot of world champion chess players?
Irrelevant I know.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 06:15 PM (x42Y3)

266 @171

>>Has Ace's screen name always been Ace?

His first name was Dante, then it was Cool Mo Dante, then Zeek, then, inexplicably, The Other African Bombotata, then he settled on Ace Of Spades.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2023 06:15 PM (XV/Pl)

267 14 I am really surprised.

I expected them to hold off on admitting reality until after the election.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 28, 2023 05:16 PM (Efrrv)

Small bet on them wanting to redeploy funds and (deniable) troops to Taiwan?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:19 PM (xcxpd)

The infusions of cash had a diminishing effect with the supply of weapons, ammo, and fighting men being so depleted. They are hoping to get it off the press pages somehow now rather than closer to the election.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 28, 2023 06:16 PM (asFox)

268 266 @171

>>Has Ace's screen name always been Ace?

His first name was Dante, then it was Cool Mo Dante, then Zeek, then, inexplicably, The Other African Bombotata, then he settled on Ace Of Spades.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 28, 2023 06:15 PM (XV/Pl)

I lol'ed

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 06:16 PM (xcxpd)

269 What's all this happy talk? Once Putin conquers Ukraine, he's rolling straight through Poland to the Fulda Gap! Berlin! Paris! London! And eventually, Washington!
Posted by: Miss Lindsay at December 28, 2023 06:13 PM (BMHsU)

One has to ask: Would a government under Putin be any worse than the government we have in DC right now?

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2023 06:17 PM (BdMk6)

270 sigh the discussion of anal beads reminds me of when we had to splain to qdpsteve that the genetlmanly way to remove anal beads from his girlfriend was to yank the string as if he was starting a lawnmower

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:17 PM (RjBju)

271 252 ...Absolutely…. I know lots of really smart otherwise sensible people who lost their minds over covid…. And have (shall we say) quirky political beliefs….. propaganda works; that’s why TPTB put so much effort into it
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COVID was a freaky time. Some of the smartest people on the planet just lost it. You could not talk to them. They would not believe the most basic common sense facts, many bet their life on it ... and lost. It really was a Mass Formation hipnosis.

Posted by: ET at December 28, 2023 06:17 PM (plqnc)

272 Ukraine f’ed up, they trusted us.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 28, 2023 05:51 PM (X0a0C)

My advice to you Ukrainians is to continue drinking heavily.

Posted by: Victoria Nuland at December 28, 2023 06:17 PM (4I/2K)

273 The guy who stabbed two girls in Grand Central Station the other day? Yeah, he's been released already.

Posted by: IrishEi at December 28, 2023 06:18 PM (6lXop)

274 I think I figured out why so many people fall out of windows in Russia.

They Have Spirits In A Material World

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06:18 PM (FVME7)

275 186...What sticker will cover the Ukraine one?
Posted by: I Mean at December 28, 2023 05:56 PM (vcOd1)

They already covered the uke flag with the hamas flag.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at December 28, 2023 06:18 PM (Rbu5d)

276 No refunds!

-Ukrainian money launderers

Posted by: brak at December 28, 2023 06:19 PM (AR07F)

277 Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:17 PM (RjBju

Thankfully, I do not remember that discussion.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 28, 2023 06:19 PM (cxDYc)

278 The guy who stabbed two girls in Grand Central Station the other day? Yeah, he's been released already.
Posted by: IrishEi

I'll bet the judge gave him a stern talking to!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06:20 PM (FVME7)

279 I can't see it happening faster than 5 years. Russia lost. a shit ton of material. But...Russia also just gained invaluable experience in war fighting, the hard way. And they now know just how much or how little the other Euro nations will support someone.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at December 28, 2023 05:30 PM (xcxpd)

Not a whole lot of lost material, Western reports are hugely exaggerated and they got a lot of factories on line and working now churning out working weapons. See, they never destroyed those boring factories that make tanks, APCs and ammo and shipped them overseas like we did.

They also learned how to increase the effectiveness of their Anti Air weapons, how to suppress our best Anti Air weapons, and how to effectively deploy drone swarms.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 28, 2023 06:20 PM (asFox)

280 Thankfully, I do not remember that discussion.
Posted by: FenelonS

it was hours and hours. it was discussed in the marriage and dating advice threads too

it was after surprise anal but before donky punches and roofies

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:21 PM (RjBju)

281 I'm reminded of the story Averell Harriman related about him congratulating Stalin and asking him how it felt to arrive in the capital of a defeated enemy as a victor.

Stalin turned to Harriman and said, "Tsar Alexander made it all the way to Paris."

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 06:21 PM (gmo/4)

282 What could be better than reading AoS on a holiday (non-work day) with some meaningless bowl game on TV eating unhealthy food?? Thanks, Ace!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 28, 2023 06:21 PM (xT8gx)

283 The guy who stabbed two girls in Grand Central Station the other day? Yeah, he's been released already.
Posted by: IrishEi

I'll bet the judge gave him a stern talking to!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06:20 PM (FVME7)

Now he knows that what he did was wrong.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 06:21 PM (eaI2m)

284 Ukraine is running out of people - they are now proposing drafting Ukrainians living abroad, and refusing to renew their passports if they ignore their draft papers.

Ukraine also has a political problem - thus far, the sons of the rich have been protected from the draft, while middle-aged people from the countryside get drafted.

You start drafting the sons of the elite, and there will be Issues.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 28, 2023 06:21 PM (YAtuc)

285 I'll bet the judge gave him a stern talking to!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06

Next time it goes on his permanent record.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 06:21 PM (x42Y3)

286 I remember when Ace was Greaser Bob -- the Original Greaser Bob.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at December 28, 2023 06:21 PM (p0oYG)

287 the news reporter for the nys stabbing story I saw said the girls and vfamily were visiting from "south america" she interviewed another family that was also visiting from "south america"

the best she could do was narrow it down to a continent?

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:22 PM (RjBju)

288 What's all this happy talk? Once Putin conquers Ukraine, he's rolling straight through Poland to the Fulda Gap! Berlin! Paris! London! And eventually, Washington!
Posted by: Miss Lindsay

Headline from this moning: Lindsey Graham Calls to "Blow Iran Off the Map"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06:23 PM (FVME7)

289 Next time it goes on his permanent record.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 06:21 PM (x42Y3)

Double secret probation!

Posted by: Archer at December 28, 2023 06:23 PM (gmo/4)

290 qdpsteve and girlfriend in the same sentence. Things that haven't happened and will never happen.

Posted by: nckate at December 28, 2023 06:24 PM (EPm6B)

291 qdpsteve and girlfriend in the same sentence. Things that haven't happened and will never happen.
Posted by: n

i did hear the was a baby huey resemblance

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:24 PM (RjBju)

292 funniest story of a mome was the mome qdpsteve threw

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:26 PM (RjBju)

293 Headline from this moning: Lindsey Graham Calls to "Blow Iran Off the Map"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06:23 PM (FVME7)
====

He finally got something right.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 06:26 PM (RIvkX)

294 They also learned how to increase the effectiveness of their Anti Air weapons, how to suppress our best Anti Air weapons, and how to effectively deploy drone swarms.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 28, 2023 06:20 PM (asFox)

IMHO, drone swarms could evolve into being more effective than artillery. The thought of that sends shivers down my spine.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2023 06:26 PM (BdMk6)

295 So we sold 1/3 of Ukraine to Russia for $150 billion?

Russia gets the land, Ukraine gets the cash and all the Democrat secrets are safe-- what a deal!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 28, 2023 06:26 PM (TzW+Y)

296 Will Ace tell us about all his Shewok groupies?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 06:26 PM (x42Y3)

297 This is why Decrepit Joe never defined what "as long as it takes" means. He does not have to walk-back anything. Giving himself flexibility to tell Zelenskyy to "take a hike, son" as soon as political support waned for supplying weapons and slush-fund cash to Ukraine until the end of time.

When the going gets tough, Joe runs away. Every time.

Posted by: Gref at December 28, 2023 06:27 PM (5fDan)

298 we should have a commenter top ten threads ranking.

I would tell you which was the best ever.

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:27 PM (RjBju)

299 Headline from this moning: Lindsey Graham Calls to "Blow Iran Off the Map"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06:23 PM (FVME7)

Lindsey Graham has never blown anything farther than into the next county.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 06:28 PM (eaI2m)

300 Lindsey Graham wants to blow something?

Posted by: Don Black at December 28, 2023 06:28 PM (geLO8)

301 When the going gets tough, Joe runs away. Every time.
Posted by: Gref at December 28, 2023 06:27 PM (5fDan)

The Republicans could get some good mileage out of an ad showing Joe run away...wait, nevermind.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 28, 2023 06:28 PM (Angsy)

302 I remember when Ace was Greaser Bob -- the Original Greaser Bob.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at December 28, 2023

***
Ace was in True Grit?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 28, 2023 06:29 PM (omVj0)

303 Hey, anyone remember Russia's initial attack?
Maybe what they used and the places targeted?
Might be the, or one of the reasons, for it if we knew.
Posted by: TeeJ at December 28, 2023 06:12 PM (spJU

Russia's initial sprint to Kiev was a similar gameplan as the one used to subdue the Czechs - grab an airport, send Paras to grab the government, and have some tanks ready to make it look fearsome. It was more of a political op than real military op. They pulled back when Ukraine asked them to as part of the negotiation...which the US cancelled. One thing Russia got out of it was Ukr redeployed reserves to the capital which gave them a free hand in sweeping up the land bridge in the South to Crimea, including a good chunk of the Nazi Azovs in Mariupol.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 28, 2023 06:29 PM (asFox)

304 Headline from this moning: Lindsey Graham Calls to "Blow Iran Off the Map"
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Which, by no coincidence, had led to several Chippendale dancers changing their stage name to "Iran."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 28, 2023 06:29 PM (TzW+Y)

305 Democrat America! No Better Foe! No Worse Ally!

Democrats raise Feckless to an art form!

Posted by: Joey Sponge Brain Shitz Pantz at December 28, 2023 06:30 PM (VUb7Z)

306 has the name of the guy giving out his address and baiting guys to come fight him been un voldemorted ?

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:30 PM (RjBju)

307 174 Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 28, 2023 05:54 PM (OsDER)

THE MOST SACRED BORDERS IN AMERICA ARE IN KEEV!

//Lt Col Crueller Del Vindman

Posted by: sven at December 28, 2023 06:31 PM (X0I7i)

308 Democrats raise Feckless to an art form!
Posted by: Joey Sponge Brain Shitz Pantz at December 28, 2023 06:30 PM (VUb7Z)

Yabut Corn Pop

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 28, 2023 06:31 PM (x42Y3)

309 They also learned how to increase the effectiveness of their Anti Air weapons, how to suppress our best Anti Air weapons, and how to effectively deploy drone swarms.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 28, 2023 06:20 PM (asFox)

IMHO, drone swarms could evolve into being more effective than artillery. The thought of that sends shivers down my spine.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at December 28, 2023 06:26 PM (BdMk6)

Evolve nothing. They are already loitering up over trench lines and directing other fire or drones down with extreme precision. And this is being done at the small unit level not up at brigade or something. I don't chase the war port, but I did see a clip of 4 soldiers, possibly one a woman at an angle in a trench being hit in one shot by some drone filmed from another. Another one followed a trooper through a door into a bunker before he could close it.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 28, 2023 06:32 PM (asFox)

310 297 Posted by: Gref at December 28, 2023 06:27 PM (5fDan)

Joey Plugz got what he wanted out of this, he controlled the narrative for months and probably kept Putin from leaking the hard evidence of donk and elephant malfeasance.

All it cost was a lot of military aged male slavs their lives.

Posted by: sven at December 28, 2023 06:32 PM (X0I7i)

311 Straight from the front lines!

http://tinyurl.com/mwyjxupe

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2024 at December 28, 2023 06:33 PM (FVME7)

312 I know we Democrats are supposed to wait until their is a Republican President before we stab our allies in the back, but I am getting old.

I don't know if I will be around to see it next year?

Posted by: Joey Sponge Brain Shitz Pantz at December 28, 2023 06:33 PM (VUb7Z)

313 blazer

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:33 PM (RjBju)

314 huh

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:33 PM (RjBju)

315 Fun feck:

the word feck has its own wiki article

Posted by: Don Black at December 28, 2023 06:34 PM (geLO8)

316 Ah Joey. You were always way beyond simply dumb--stupid even. Don't you know that you should never promise things that you can't deliver? And now you are throwing the Ukrainians under the bus---in effect biting the hand that fed you and your deadbeat son with millions from Burisma?

Clearly there's no honor among thieves and grifters.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 28, 2023 06:35 PM (cB7nX)

317 More like Catherine the Great and the Tsars 300 or so years ago. The separate nationality of Ukraine is very new and the cities and ports being contended for were built by Russians for the most part. And there is a considerable mixing during the entire period. Its more like Floridians claiming primordial nationhood.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 28, 2023 06:13 PM (asFox)
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Respectfully, I don't think so. Ukrainian is a separate language from Russian, rather like the difference between French and Spanish, so the nationality existed separately for a long time. The Ukrainians fought the Russians for centuries, only being kinda sorta subjugated 300 years ago, where part of the deal was the Ukrainians would supply the Russians with cavalry - the Cossacks.

The Ukrainians have hated the Russians since forever. For example, my maternal grandfather was an immigrant from Ukraine, and he hated the Russians with a purple passion. Think how the Irish regard the English.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 06:35 PM (rKWLQ)

318 314 huh
Posted by: N

Doesn't go through for me.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 28, 2023 06:36 PM (J58hQ)

319 See? Make it clear that an attempt to send us to kill foreigners will result in mass death of Pedocrats, amd suddenly Pedocrats and their Republican enablers aren't as keen for foreign adventures.

Now, if we could only get Republicans fully on board with the concept.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at December 28, 2023 06:36 PM (FRT/w)

320 314 huh
Posted by: N

Doesn't go through for me.
Posted by:

I wish it did not go for anybody, it was more fun and I felt dirty just thinking of typing it.

now it is just kinda whatever.

Posted by: N at December 28, 2023 06:37 PM (RjBju)

321 Nood

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 28, 2023 06:40 PM (RIvkX)

322 >>>> ... They also learned how to increase the effectiveness of their Anti Air weapons, how to suppress our best Anti Air weapons, and how to effectively deploy drone swarms.

Posted by: Oldcat
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Yup & Yup.
Russians got a lot more than they gave.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 28, 2023 06:40 PM (lUstO)

323 317 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 28, 2023 06:35 PM (rKWLQ)

The snit fit goes back as far as ~ 700-900 when Kiev was the "classy part of the Byzantine frontier."

Essentially their relationship is as fucked up and non-sensical as the three way hoe down between the Koreans Chinese and Japanese....

spoiler alert they are all cousins.

Posted by: sven at December 28, 2023 06:41 PM (X0I7i)

324 Except for dead Russians.
But they are used to that.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 28, 2023 06:41 PM (lUstO)

325 Maybe they can move Palestinians in to live on the graves of Ukes, just like house sparrows nest on dead blue birds.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 28, 2023 06:44 PM (nnp+f)

326 Maybe they can move Palestinians in to live on the graves of Ukes, just like house sparrows nest on dead blue birds.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 28, 2023 06:44 PM (nnp+f)

one of the nutty conspiracy theories out there is that Ukraine will be given to the Israeli Jews when the Palestinians win.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 28, 2023 06:47 PM (asFox)

327 Not a whole lot of lost material, Western reports are hugely exaggerated and they got a lot of factories on line and working now churning out working weapons. See, they never destroyed those boring factories that make tanks, APCs and ammo and shipped them overseas like we did.

They also learned how to increase the effectiveness of their Anti Air weapons, how to suppress our best Anti Air weapons, and how to effectively deploy drone swarms.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 28, 2023 06:20 PM (asFox)
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They certainly learned alot. But I'm not buying the Russian industrial output. No one left who would know how to run them. And my experience working for a company owned by a Russian Oligar shows they don't have much technical ability left. We couldn't send anything back "home", they couldn't use it.

Ukraine is running out of people. Their chances to win was always remote. I still smell something else.

Posted by: Black JEM at December 28, 2023 06:48 PM (UVyKP)

328 123 You know who else was at the gates of Moscow?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 28, 2023 05:42 PM (eaI2m)

The World would have been better off if Napoleon had conquered Europe, and I really think the British coalition were really the bad guys,

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at December 28, 2023 06:54 PM (dKiJG)

329 Regardless of the ultimate victor Ivan got it shoved right in his vodka soaked face he is a 3rd rate military force.

You think WE need a major reorganization, take a look at the Russians.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 28, 2023 08:35 PM (KATBx)

330 Americans remind me of Milton's Satan: 'Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven'.

Posted by: bob at December 28, 2023 09:08 PM (HI0cS)

331 Hillary's reset button?
It was a made for TV stunt, thought up late in the night/early morning hours by drunken staffers in the Hotel Hot Tub. The Russians had already been informed that some people from Hillary's team had been in there drinking all night and had for some reason vandalized the pool areas and taken the emergency shut off button from the Tub. When she then showed up and used it as a prop, and miss spelled the label to boot? They KNEW they were no longer dealing with "Serious People".
But...they already knew that about the Clinton's, Yeltsin was a drunken buffoon, but he had to tell Bill Clinton to his face, after Clinton made a mad rush to visit right after being elected that "We are Presidents, we do NOT negotiate Chicken Parts", when all Clinton wanted to discuss was contracts for Tyson. He ended up agreeing to stop "Star wars" defense trials, at least the high speed trials so that he could come Home to the USA claiming a major Geo-political Breakthrough. Set the system back YEARS, until Bush cancelled the agreement and actually achieved most of it's goals quickly.

Posted by: birdog at December 29, 2023 12:12 AM (sYlnp)

332 Biden has for over a decade wanted to divide up Iraq instead of fighting at all ...give it away in pieces to Iran/Syria/Turkey....even to ISIS. Wants to divvy up Israel, wants to divvy up EVERY place, including US border states. No surprise he wants to crawfish on Ukraine, or the red sea, or the china sea, or US Ports, US cities...
He is the Peter Principle personified...feckless, reckless, bluff and bluster, will say ANYTHING just to strike a pose, no matter how demonstrably false and pretentious.

Posted by: birdog at December 29, 2023 12:28 AM (sYlnp)

333 On the plus side of the Ukraine kerfuffle...much of the young male population will have been killed off or crippled, as will much of the economy, the notoriously attractive Ukrainian females, already the primary international source for strippers, hookers, mistresses and adult models will soon be flooding the world market, even a moderately middle income USA guy, with a decent job may be able to afford one in his own home.

Posted by: birdog at December 29, 2023 12:28 AM (sYlnp)

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