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THE MORNING RANT: “America First” Was the Polite Request; “America Only” Is the Less-Polite Follow-up Offer
The idea of America First accords with both reason and religious morality. However, some prominent conservatives, whom I know and respect, seem to equate “America First” with “America Only.” And that is neither logical, nor moral, nor American.There is a lot of soaring faux-Reaganesque rhetoric in Prager’s piece, which is fine, but it pretends that “America First” is even on the table as an option. With narco-terrorists and human traffickers entering our country unimpeded, it’s clear that “America First” is not a consideration of our rulers. It seems to me that the options might be ranked as below, with the conservative base divided between options 1 and 2 (“America Only” and “America First”
, the Republican establishment is at option 3 (“America Someday”, while the Democrats and the rest of the ruling class are at options 4 and 5 (“America Last” and “America Never.”
1) America Only2) America First
3) America Someday
4) America Last
5) America Never To re-state the thesis, most conservatives will settle for “America First.” But if that is not really an option, then they don’t slide into the internationalist “America Someday” bucket out of Republican party loyalty, instead they move the other direction into the isolationist “America Only” slot. Before I go further, I will state that I am not an isolationist nor “America Only,” but I find myself getting pushed that way when my government cares more about the integrity of Ukraine’s border than about the US border. I’ll also point out that I am a die-hard defender of Israel, and of my Jewish brothers and sisters across the globe. I enthusiastically support Israel for religious, political, cultural, and civilizational reasons, and I consider the war that Israel is fighting against Hamas to be part of the long-term defense of the Unites States and its values. I do not feel the same way about the Slavic turf war in eastern Ukraine. But…neither I do not begrudge those principled “America Only” folks who feel isolationist toward Ukraine, Israel*, Taiwan, and all the rest. I understand where they’re coming from, and how sick they are of the uni-party always putting America last. (*Unless they utter something about Zionism or the suffering of Palestinians. Then I know they’re not standing on principle, they’re simply anti-Jew.) While many conservatives were glad to provide support to Ukraine initially – especially when it looked like Kiev might fall – it is clear now that keeping the stalemate going is the aim of the political class. A legion of corruptocrats need the money to keep flowing to them through omnibus funding of all things Ukraine, and the military industrial complex profits from keeping the war going so long as Ukraine and Russia can keep supplying men to die. And it’s not enough for us taxpayers to fund that foreign war, we are now being asked to fund Ukraine’s civilian economy too, including paying the salaries of its schoolteachers!
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:02 AM (GBKbO)
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Ukrainian Pensions First
Posted by: BignJames at December 15, 2023 11:03 AM (AwYPR)
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Commenting present
Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2023 11:03 AM (pvKxo)
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I see that it is the responsibility for Americans to provide education for their children, and also it is their responsibility to provide education for anyone else's children, especially if it provides a skimming opportunity for the ruling class.
Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2023 11:04 AM (Sf2cq)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at December 15, 2023 11:04 AM (T4tVD)
Posted by: Next2Nothing at December 15, 2023 11:04 AM (tA1/w)
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I like Dennis Prager and listen to his show every day but he has flat out stated that America MUST be the world's policeman. He says someone has to do it and do you want Russia or China to do it?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:04 AM (63Dwl)
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What's good for America is good for the world.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 15, 2023 11:06 AM (aD39U)
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7 I like Dennis Prager and listen to his show every day but he has flat out stated that America MUST be the world's policeman. He says someone has to do it and do you want Russia or China to do it?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:04 AM (63Dwl)
We will make terrible policemen if the current crop of evil tyrants succeed in their takeover.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:04 AM (63Dwl)
We will make terrible policemen if the current crop of evil tyrants succeed in their takeover.
Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2023 11:06 AM (Sf2cq)
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Give Ukrainian kids an "American Class" education and they'll be done in a generation.
Posted by: BignJames at December 15, 2023 11:07 AM (AwYPR)
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Give Ukrainians the right to vote here in the US for politicos of their choosing. They are, by my calculations a de facto 51st state getting the lion's share of fed-bucks.
See how fast the money dries up.
See how fast the money dries up.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 15, 2023 11:07 AM (Q4IgG)
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We have been paying the pensions of retired Ukrainian bureaucrats lest the eastern front collapse.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 15, 2023 11:08 AM (aD39U)
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Isolationism worked fine for America for a long time. It didn't and doesn't mean we won't *trade* with other countries. We just won't get entangled in their politics or wars, will cut foreign aid to the bone (= zero aid for countries that hate us), police our borders, reduce immigration (even the "legal" kind), and concern ourselves with our citizens and interests first.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 15, 2023 11:08 AM (J2vNu)
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Ukraine only does fund our politicians, it's one big money laundry scam
Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2023 11:08 AM (pvKxo)
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McCarthy's speech praising Dems and shitting on the Republican base absolutely sealed his legacy as being a massive piece of crap.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 15, 2023 11:08 AM (IZPBd)
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To borrow from Hillel:
If we're not for ourselves, who will be?
If we're only for ourselves, what are we?
If we're not for ourselves, who will be?
If we're only for ourselves, what are we?
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 15, 2023 11:08 AM (NBVIP)
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I support the war in Ukraine. I support closing our border. One can do both.
Posted by: Michelle Fields at December 15, 2023 11:09 AM (CsUN+)
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It seems to me that the options might be ranked as below, with the conservative base divided between options 1
1, then 2.
For those countries that actively hate us? F. U.
They can hate us for free.
1, then 2.
For those countries that actively hate us? F. U.
They can hate us for free.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2023 11:09 AM (GIBR7)
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Prager also has said that we should have stayed in Afghanistan FOREVER if that's what it takes. After all, we still have troops in Germany and Japan and South Korea.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:10 AM (63Dwl)
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Dang. Archimedes = Michelle Fields. Both are in favor of providing arms.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:10 AM (CsUN+)
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We’re paying Ukrainian school teachers? And our inner city war zone kids can’t read, write, or cypher?
Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2023 11:10 AM (rqn5J)
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How about Rivers of Blood?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:10 AM (mhQkT)
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I saw Rivers of Blood open for Steeleye Span at the Warf.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 15, 2023 11:11 AM (aD39U)
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Nations don't have friends, they have interests.
Posted by: Foreign Policy 101 at December 15, 2023 11:11 AM (NBVIP)
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We’re paying Ukrainian school teachers? And our inner city war zone kids can’t read, write, or cypher?
You're assuming the reason our kids can't read, write, or cypher, is lack of money. It isn't. It's lackawanna.
You're assuming the reason our kids can't read, write, or cypher, is lack of money. It isn't. It's lackawanna.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:11 AM (CsUN+)
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like Dennis Prager and listen to his show every day but he has flat out stated that America MUST be the world's policeman. He says someone has to do it and do you want Russia or China to do it?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:04 AM (63Dw
I dislike the black and white political edicts. I’m one to believe that the world is a much much better place because we have been the world’s ‘policeman’ but just as we limit what actual policeman can do and should do we should limit what the United States does. We have lost sight of that decades ago.
And I absolutely hate the illogical comparisons that are used to support the arguments.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:04 AM (63Dw
I dislike the black and white political edicts. I’m one to believe that the world is a much much better place because we have been the world’s ‘policeman’ but just as we limit what actual policeman can do and should do we should limit what the United States does. We have lost sight of that decades ago.
And I absolutely hate the illogical comparisons that are used to support the arguments.
Posted by: Drive by at December 15, 2023 11:11 AM (MNhXM)
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Lest we forget, Lindsey Graham went to Ukraine shortly after Trump was elected, and promised that the US would be in a war with Russia. It has just taken longer than expected, due to Trump.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 15, 2023 11:12 AM (lTGtQ)
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They'll keep doubling down on the dumb shit til we run out of chips or someone turns the table over.
Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2023 11:12 AM (FhXTo)
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I blame UNICEF.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:12 AM (mhQkT)
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We’re paying Ukrainian school teachers? And our inner city war zone kids can’t read, write, or cypher?
Posted by: Eromero
I wonder if the school aid is dependant on teaching trannyism?
We’re paying Ukrainian school teachers? And our inner city war zone kids can’t read, write, or cypher?
Posted by: Eromero
I wonder if the school aid is dependant on teaching trannyism?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:12 AM (63Dwl)
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I’m at about 1.3…. I’m not America only…. I think we should support Israel and maybe a few other countries like Taiwan and Hungary….. I’d like economic relationships with nearly everyone but NOT NAFTA-type “free” trade that destroys our industrial base and weakens our working class. This is all common sense but it doesn’t help the grifting class… those rich men north of Richmond
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 15, 2023 11:12 AM (9Tih0)
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What was that saying, "Charity begin at home?" America Only. Fuckos.
But if any provide not for his owne, & specially for those of his owne house, hee hath denied the faith, and is worse then an infidel.
But if any provide not for his owne, & specially for those of his owne house, hee hath denied the faith, and is worse then an infidel.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 15, 2023 11:13 AM (9v1kn)
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Lest we forget, Lindsey Graham went to Ukraine shortly after Trump was elected, and promised that the US would be in a war with Russia. It has just taken longer than expected, due to Trump.
Just because he says stupid s*** all the time, isn't an argument for or against.
Just because he says stupid s*** all the time, isn't an argument for or against.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:13 AM (CsUN+)
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Foreign aid dispensed by the USA is nothing but a funding mechanism for our politicians, the political class of the recipients, and any grifters in between.
But it is downright stupid to lend/give money to these people that we in turn are borrowing.
But it is downright stupid to lend/give money to these people that we in turn are borrowing.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2023 11:13 AM (N39Ws)
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...the Republican establishment is at option 3 (“America Someday”...
I would argue that the Republican establishment is at option 6 (not sure where it would fall in your list) which is "me first, America if, and when, it's absolutely required in order for me to get more".
...
I would argue that the Republican establishment is at option 6 (not sure where it would fall in your list) which is "me first, America if, and when, it's absolutely required in order for me to get more".
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 11:13 AM (GYIa4)
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Graham is a two=faced sodomite.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 15, 2023 11:13 AM (R4t5M)
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The way we became a world power was to always be the last to join a war. Now we create every war and are first. Duh.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (mhQkT)
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The city of Chicago impounded a “rogue bus” from Texas that was attempting to drop off 49 migrants at the city’s designated landing zone Wednesday night...buses face “seizure and impoundment” for unloading passengers without a permit or outside of approved hours and locations. Violators will also be subject to $3,000 fines, plus towing and storage fees.
Fuck you Greg Abbott! He says he is a PRO-LIFE CHRISTIAN. WWJD?
The fines should be even higher. These bus companies are endangering both the migrant passengers and the people who have to process them, including many first responders...fine them into oblivion. They will abide by Chicago ordinances, or they will have no vehicles.
I said this months ago. Impound all the buses and make the drivers head to court. Hurray to Chicago for showing us the way. Not to stop the shipment of refugees, but to put strict limits on the where and when.
Not good enough. it should be "confiscation, forfeiture", not impoundment. The buses should be crushed.
Fuck you Greg Abbott! He says he is a PRO-LIFE CHRISTIAN. WWJD?
The fines should be even higher. These bus companies are endangering both the migrant passengers and the people who have to process them, including many first responders...fine them into oblivion. They will abide by Chicago ordinances, or they will have no vehicles.
I said this months ago. Impound all the buses and make the drivers head to court. Hurray to Chicago for showing us the way. Not to stop the shipment of refugees, but to put strict limits on the where and when.
Not good enough. it should be "confiscation, forfeiture", not impoundment. The buses should be crushed.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
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Not that it matters here but there are plenty of empty classrooms in Israel because so many teachers have been called up. Don't need American dollars to pay their salaries.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (RIvkX)
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21 We’re paying Ukrainian school teachers? And our inner city war zone kids can’t read, write, or cypher?
Posted by: Eromero
Not only teachers. We're paying every single Ukrainian government salary, from bottom to top. Plus mountains of embezzlement on top of all that.
And we, the people, have absolutely no say.
Posted by: Eromero
Not only teachers. We're paying every single Ukrainian government salary, from bottom to top. Plus mountains of embezzlement on top of all that.
And we, the people, have absolutely no say.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (/QIWP)
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I am sure the Deep State minions are in on the take as well
Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2023 11:15 AM (pvKxo)
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The way we became a world power was to always be the last to join a war. Now we create every war and are first. Duh.
That was back when Britain was still viewed as the world's superpower, so we could afford to be isolationist. They obviously no longer are. Waiting until things are utterly dire is a poor strategy.
That was back when Britain was still viewed as the world's superpower, so we could afford to be isolationist. They obviously no longer are. Waiting until things are utterly dire is a poor strategy.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:15 AM (CsUN+)
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38 Fuck you Greg Abbott! He says he is a PRO-LIFE CHRISTIAN. WWJD?
The fines should be even higher. These bus companies are endangering both the migrant passengers and the people who have to process them, including many first responders...fine them into oblivion. They will abide by Chicago ordinances, or they will have no vehicles.
I said this months ago. Impound all the buses and make the drivers head to court. Hurray to Chicago for showing us the way. Not to stop the shipment of refugees, but to put strict limits on the where and when.
Not good enough. it should be "confiscation, forfeiture", not impoundment. The buses should be crushed.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
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Man, these people hate Chicago and think it's a deathtrap.
The fines should be even higher. These bus companies are endangering both the migrant passengers and the people who have to process them, including many first responders...fine them into oblivion. They will abide by Chicago ordinances, or they will have no vehicles.
I said this months ago. Impound all the buses and make the drivers head to court. Hurray to Chicago for showing us the way. Not to stop the shipment of refugees, but to put strict limits on the where and when.
Not good enough. it should be "confiscation, forfeiture", not impoundment. The buses should be crushed.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
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Man, these people hate Chicago and think it's a deathtrap.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (GBKbO)
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Lindsey Graham went to Ukraine shortly after Trump was elected, and promised that the US would be in a war with Russia. It has just taken longer than expected, due to Trump.
Just because he says stupid s*** all the time, isn't an argument for or against.
Posted by: Archimedes
He was speaking for his deep state masters.
Just because he says stupid s*** all the time, isn't an argument for or against.
Posted by: Archimedes
He was speaking for his deep state masters.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (lTGtQ)
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The idea that the left hates Abbott for making it easier for "migrants" to get to sanctuary cities is one of the funniest things about current day.
"Chicago doesn't deserve migrants! Only Texas does!"
"Chicago doesn't deserve migrants! Only Texas does!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (GBKbO)
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Mexican army allegedly found 10 IEDs near the border. Is this BS to instill fear, something to worry about or both?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (IZPBd)
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41 I am sure the Deep State minions are in on the take as well
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Are you suggesting that Senators Mark Warner and Tim Caine are not legit? Hell, Tim was Hillary's VP running mate.
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Are you suggesting that Senators Mark Warner and Tim Caine are not legit? Hell, Tim was Hillary's VP running mate.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (mhQkT)
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I like Dennis Prager and listen to his show every day but he has flat out stated that America MUST be the world's policeman. He says someone has to do it and do you want Russia or China to do it?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:04 AM (63Dwl)
I used to think this, and the more i think about it, the more i'm against it. but I think we need to be non-isolationist.
basically, we need to be something different. We're NOT the cop, but if you fuck with our interests - i.e. trade, allies, freedom of movement, etc., we WILL come over and fuck your shit up and then leave and let you rebuild.
with a promise next time will be worse.
but there's not enough grift in that avenue, and the commies in our govt would fuck it up.
so we are kind of stuck where we are.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:04 AM (63Dwl)
I used to think this, and the more i think about it, the more i'm against it. but I think we need to be non-isolationist.
basically, we need to be something different. We're NOT the cop, but if you fuck with our interests - i.e. trade, allies, freedom of movement, etc., we WILL come over and fuck your shit up and then leave and let you rebuild.
with a promise next time will be worse.
but there's not enough grift in that avenue, and the commies in our govt would fuck it up.
so we are kind of stuck where we are.
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 15, 2023 11:17 AM (bving)
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Not good enough. it should be "confiscation, forfeiture", not impoundment. The buses should be crushed.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
I guess buses are bad now.
Fill the bus with liberals, then send it to the shredder.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
I guess buses are bad now.
Fill the bus with liberals, then send it to the shredder.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 15, 2023 11:17 AM (R4t5M)
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And it’s not enough for us taxpayers to fund that foreign war, we are now being asked to fund Ukraine’s civilian economy too, including paying the salaries of its schoolteachers!
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Next you'll be telling me that we're funding Ukrainian pensions.
Oh, wait ...
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Next you'll be telling me that we're funding Ukrainian pensions.
Oh, wait ...
Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 15, 2023 11:17 AM (fB38l)
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We cannot police my neighborhood but we should police the globe?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 15, 2023 11:17 AM (RIvkX)
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Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
tolerant bunch
tolerant bunch
Posted by: BignJames at December 15, 2023 11:17 AM (AwYPR)
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We should've been training those Ukranian BioWeapons engineers to be realtors and truck drivers.
Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2023 11:17 AM (FhXTo)
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Guy near the church has a farm and a huge sign-outside about 10 feet by 5 , "No more foreign aid"
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2023 11:17 AM (RSbhh)
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Dennis Prager is a smart and good man but like pretty much everyone his age (he’s in his 70s IIRC) he still has a Cold War bipolar world mindset…. It takes him awhile to figure out what time it is. After 2020, for example, it took him at least 2 years to finally realize maybe that election was stolen…. That notion is inconceivable to a certain set of people. I suspect he wants Afghanistan forever because he thinks it’ll prevent another 9/11 clinging to “fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here”
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 15, 2023 11:18 AM (9Tih0)
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52 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
tolerant bunch
Posted by: BignJames at December 15, 2023 11:17 AM (AwYPR)
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"I'd house a migrant in my own house."
"Okay, here's a migrant."
"Racist! Get that ***** away from me! He belongs in Texas!"
tolerant bunch
Posted by: BignJames at December 15, 2023 11:17 AM (AwYPR)
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"I'd house a migrant in my own house."
"Okay, here's a migrant."
"Racist! Get that ***** away from me! He belongs in Texas!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
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1) America Only
2) America First
3) America Someday
4) America Last
5) America Never
6) What America? It's gone.
2) America First
3) America Someday
4) America Last
5) America Never
6) What America? It's gone.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2023 11:18 AM (W/lyH)
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Show of hands... who here wants America embroiled in endless wars for a bunch of ingrates who secretly despise us?
Posted by: tubal at December 15, 2023 11:19 AM (zjeEu)
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We should've been training those Ukranian BioWeapons engineers to be realtors and truck drivers.
Posted by: DaveA
We should be feeding them to feral hogs.
Posted by: DaveA
We should be feeding them to feral hogs.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 15, 2023 11:19 AM (R4t5M)
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The way we became a world power was to always be the last to join a war. Now we create every war and are first. Duh.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (mhQkT)
We weren’t last against Japan and they must have thought we were a world power at the time. And we were a economic world power before we were a military world power. One begot the other though as it always does.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (mhQkT)
We weren’t last against Japan and they must have thought we were a world power at the time. And we were a economic world power before we were a military world power. One begot the other though as it always does.
Posted by: Drive by at December 15, 2023 11:19 AM (MNhXM)
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Being the world's policeman seems to include forcing LGBT ideology, birth control/abortion and experimental drugs on an ungrateful local populace. I'll pass on that Prager. Open your eyes.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 15, 2023 11:20 AM (fs1hN)
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58 Show of hands... who here wants America embroiled in endless wars for a bunch of ingrates who secretly despise us?
Posted by: tubal at December 15, 2023 11:19 AM (zjeEu)
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It's what Washington begged America to become in his farewell address.
Posted by: tubal at December 15, 2023 11:19 AM (zjeEu)
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It's what Washington begged America to become in his farewell address.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:20 AM (GBKbO)
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It's really pretty simple. Any spending on foreign adventures must have a provable benefit to America. If not then no spending.
The globalists have lied about our interests in Ukraine and the consequences of losing a war they started from day 1. I don't support sending another nickel to Ukraine. If you do then send your money not US tax dollars.
The globalists have lied about our interests in Ukraine and the consequences of losing a war they started from day 1. I don't support sending another nickel to Ukraine. If you do then send your money not US tax dollars.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2023 11:21 AM (ZLI7S)
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I have an issue with what seems to be the priorities, not the issues per se. To the average American, the extraordinary lengths people in Congress go to in order to support Ukraine is at odds with domestic issues like the border, the poisoning of our citizens with Chinese-Mexican fentanyl or even the federal budget. I see dunces like McConnell marching around for photo ops on Ukraine. I've never seen him and his lackeys march around for much else. I also understand the support for Israel and a vicious attack that killed 1,400 people but in 2021 over 70,000 Americans died from fentanyl poisoning. Sorry, but those are our existential priorities and it's what we've pay Congress to do. Until those issues are fully addressed we shouldn't give a single dime to any other country.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:21 AM (xtg8y)
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Eretz Nehederet should do a version of the "Dollar Biils" video with Harams billionaires but substitute the Hamas people with Zelensky.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2023 11:22 AM (RSbhh)
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"America only" is not necessarily isolationist. If America has a real, tangible interest (not a "humanitarian" or "expanding democracy" interest), then America can engage in interventionism under "america first".
A realpolitik outluck would be "america only" where we only engage in places that our actual interests (economic {keeping trade routes open, keeping oil cheap}, security {keeping certain central and south american countries from becoming china clients}).
What we have now is the opposite of realpolitik - we have no real interest in Ukraine. The idea that if Ukraine falls, europe will also is silly - and more to the point - who cares? Europe can and should defend itself. We shouldn't be paying the bill with either treasure or blood. I understand our interest in Taiwan (microchips), but we should be developing that tech in other places (and more importantly at home) rather than putting our treasure and blood on the line against China.
An America that put itself first would be better for the world than what America does now. For instance, we'd have a bigger, stronger economy which would drive the world's economy.
A realpolitik outluck would be "america only" where we only engage in places that our actual interests (economic {keeping trade routes open, keeping oil cheap}, security {keeping certain central and south american countries from becoming china clients}).
What we have now is the opposite of realpolitik - we have no real interest in Ukraine. The idea that if Ukraine falls, europe will also is silly - and more to the point - who cares? Europe can and should defend itself. We shouldn't be paying the bill with either treasure or blood. I understand our interest in Taiwan (microchips), but we should be developing that tech in other places (and more importantly at home) rather than putting our treasure and blood on the line against China.
An America that put itself first would be better for the world than what America does now. For instance, we'd have a bigger, stronger economy which would drive the world's economy.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:22 AM (ky+MF)
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>>>Show of hands... who here wants America embroiled in endless wars for a bunch of ingrates who secretly despise us?
Posted by: tubal at December 15, 2023 11:19 AM (zjeEu)
>If only we could convince the Afghans to grow corn instead of opium poppies, thru hearts and minds, we could save civilization for Democracy.
Posted by: tubal at December 15, 2023 11:19 AM (zjeEu)
>If only we could convince the Afghans to grow corn instead of opium poppies, thru hearts and minds, we could save civilization for Democracy.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 15, 2023 11:23 AM (9v1kn)
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Oh, and to those in Congress who state "we can do both", that is fund foreign countries and take care of the American people, you haven't done anything on the latter.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:23 AM (xtg8y)
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We weren’t last against Japan and they must have thought we were a world power at the time. And we were a economic world power before we were a military world power. One begot the other though as it always does.
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We became an industrial world power by supplying our elder brother, Britain, with food, guns and ammunition. Once they were thoroughly bled we stepped in.
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We became an industrial world power by supplying our elder brother, Britain, with food, guns and ammunition. Once they were thoroughly bled we stepped in.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:23 AM (mhQkT)
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... and if “reputable” politicians refuse to put America first, they will be replaced by “disreputable” politicians who will focus on America only.
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"Disreputable 'America-Only' Politicians have no standing. And yes, we will continue to rule that the U.S. Constitution IS, in fact. a living & breathing suicide pact ... just as The Founders intended. Next!"
/Righteous analysis & rant Buck ...
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"Disreputable 'America-Only' Politicians have no standing. And yes, we will continue to rule that the U.S. Constitution IS, in fact. a living & breathing suicide pact ... just as The Founders intended. Next!"
/Righteous analysis & rant Buck ...
Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 15, 2023 11:24 AM (fB38l)
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We will make terrible policemen if the current crop of evil tyrants succeed in their takeover.
Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2023 11:06 AM (Sf2cq)
We funded the development of covid. We continually pushed NATO membership east after promising Russia that we would not. We were involved in getting Ukraine to walk away from negotiations before the shooting started. We are the ones who "support" Israel for 30 minutes after every attack but then tell them that they can't protect themselves.
The US government is evil. It has been evil for a good while. We are not policemen, we are mobsters shaking down the world for our cut.
Posted by: Emmie at December 15, 2023 11:06 AM (Sf2cq)
We funded the development of covid. We continually pushed NATO membership east after promising Russia that we would not. We were involved in getting Ukraine to walk away from negotiations before the shooting started. We are the ones who "support" Israel for 30 minutes after every attack but then tell them that they can't protect themselves.
The US government is evil. It has been evil for a good while. We are not policemen, we are mobsters shaking down the world for our cut.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 11:24 AM (GYIa4)
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OT: My mechanic still doesn't have the balancing machine fixed, though he's ordered the part he needs. We agreed I'll go over on Wed. a.m., get the oil changed, and look at the wheels. If I like them, then we'll see what to do next. Maybe his brother-in-law's shop can put them on next Friday; maybe I'll have to wait until after Xmas.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 15, 2023 11:24 AM (J2vNu)
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These bus companies are endangering both the migrant passengers and the people who have to process them, including many first responders...
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
Okay, I'll bite: How? How is it dangerous to take a bunch of people where they've asked to go in a comfortable bus after they've (supposedly) trekked hundreds of miles in unforgiving terrain, harassed by criminals the whole time? How is it dangerous for the processors and first responders to meet these people?
(Yes, I know I'm never going to get an answer, Intrepid, but I thought maybe I could give you some ammo.)
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
Okay, I'll bite: How? How is it dangerous to take a bunch of people where they've asked to go in a comfortable bus after they've (supposedly) trekked hundreds of miles in unforgiving terrain, harassed by criminals the whole time? How is it dangerous for the processors and first responders to meet these people?
(Yes, I know I'm never going to get an answer, Intrepid, but I thought maybe I could give you some ammo.)
Posted by: pookysgirl, putting her Latin to good use at December 15, 2023 11:25 AM (dtlDP)
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19 Prager also has said that we should have stayed in Afghanistan FOREVER if that's what it takes. After all, we still have troops in Germany and Japan and South Korea.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:10 AM (63Dwl)
Prager was wrong because he could not accept that the only reason we were there were for the grifting opportunities for our own politicians and the NGO's. Sadly, Afghanistan is probably being more responsibly run now, under the Taliban, than it was while we were ostensibly in control. That does not mean I favor them; rather it's a comment on how abysmally bad a job we did.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 11:10 AM (63Dwl)
Prager was wrong because he could not accept that the only reason we were there were for the grifting opportunities for our own politicians and the NGO's. Sadly, Afghanistan is probably being more responsibly run now, under the Taliban, than it was while we were ostensibly in control. That does not mean I favor them; rather it's a comment on how abysmally bad a job we did.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:25 AM (i9ffA)
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Fwiw, have you been to Afghanistan? Not hard to see why they would prefer poppies over corn.
Or goats to boys
Or goats to boys
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:25 AM (Pjh4P)
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I have no problem with a "we don't want to piss off the Americans"-based foreign policy.
We ought to enforce dire tariffs and flat out tribute from pisspot bullshit countries as payment for even being allowed to have anything to do with America. Otherwise, leave us alone and we'll leave you alone; Piss us off and you'll cease to exist.
Not a single dime goes from the taxpayer to any foreign government, ever, for any reason. No aid. No contracts. No bribes. No bidenesque twelve-layer graft cakes. Any company wants to buy and sell shit abroad, go right ahead, but not with other people's money. You want military aid? Fuck off. We're either at war or not at war. You want tech and weapons? Call Raytheon for your free catalog, and fuck off.
We ought to enforce dire tariffs and flat out tribute from pisspot bullshit countries as payment for even being allowed to have anything to do with America. Otherwise, leave us alone and we'll leave you alone; Piss us off and you'll cease to exist.
Not a single dime goes from the taxpayer to any foreign government, ever, for any reason. No aid. No contracts. No bribes. No bidenesque twelve-layer graft cakes. Any company wants to buy and sell shit abroad, go right ahead, but not with other people's money. You want military aid? Fuck off. We're either at war or not at war. You want tech and weapons? Call Raytheon for your free catalog, and fuck off.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:26 AM (9UlRk)
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Why stop at school teacher salaries? They need books, housing, transportation, pensions, ...
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 15, 2023 11:27 AM (IBDwy)
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Man, these people hate Chicago and think it's a deathtrap.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (GBKbO)
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Well, they are not entirely wrong about Chicago being a deathtrap. I wouldn't be caught dead there myself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (GBKbO)
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Well, they are not entirely wrong about Chicago being a deathtrap. I wouldn't be caught dead there myself.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 15, 2023 11:27 AM (7fElN)
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Oh, and to those in Congress who state "we can do both", that is fund foreign countries and take care of the American people, you haven't done anything on the latter.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:23 AM (xtg8y)
They can, they just won't.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:23 AM (xtg8y)
They can, they just won't.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:27 AM (9UlRk)
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White House: Evolving Rhetoric on Joe’s Involvement with Hunter Is Just "Semantic" Game, But "Nothing Has Changed"
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You can say that again. The Big Guy still gets his 10%.
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You can say that again. The Big Guy still gets his 10%.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:27 AM (FVME7)
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The US government is evil. It has been evil for a good while. We are not policemen, we are mobsters shaking down the world for our cut.
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A Fish Rots from the Head Down. Biden is a rotten Deep State Apparatchik Fish.
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A Fish Rots from the Head Down. Biden is a rotten Deep State Apparatchik Fish.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:27 AM (mhQkT)
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Why isn't this position acceptabe to have in our politics? We need someone who'll push back against the excesses of the America as the World's Policeman politicians. Besides, who are these America only politicians? Does Prager name them?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 15, 2023 11:28 AM (fs1hN)
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I also understand the support for Israel and a vicious attack that killed 1,400 people but in 2021 over 70,000 Americans died from fentanyl poisoning. Sorry, but those are our existential priorities and it's what we've pay Congress to do. Until those issues are fully addressed we shouldn't give a single dime to any other country.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:21 AM (xtg8y)
I'd argue that America does more to stand in the way of "peace" in the middle east than it helps Israel. think about it - what country holds Israel back every time? the U.S. What country funds Hamas and other terrorist organizations the most? We do through "Humanitarian" aid. What country's citizens do the terrorists try to play to? Our citizens. It's the U.S.'s reaction to terrorism that drives terrorism more than any other nation. Our citizens are easy marks for the worlds worst people.
If we stepped back and said "we don't care anymore, Israel, do what you want" things would change over there drastically and I think for the better.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:21 AM (xtg8y)
I'd argue that America does more to stand in the way of "peace" in the middle east than it helps Israel. think about it - what country holds Israel back every time? the U.S. What country funds Hamas and other terrorist organizations the most? We do through "Humanitarian" aid. What country's citizens do the terrorists try to play to? Our citizens. It's the U.S.'s reaction to terrorism that drives terrorism more than any other nation. Our citizens are easy marks for the worlds worst people.
If we stepped back and said "we don't care anymore, Israel, do what you want" things would change over there drastically and I think for the better.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:28 AM (ky+MF)
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Policing the globe would be easier if the racist communists in Beijing, criminal kleptocrats in Moscow and All of Africa (except Botswana), and religious fascists in Persia and the middle east were eliminated.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 15, 2023 11:28 AM (RIvkX)
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We won the war in Afghanistan and achieved the mission objectives pretty quickly. AQ and OBL were chased out of the country and their ability to make war was significantly degraded. Then in came the same assholes from DoS and Washington who were intent on nation building, coalitions and all the other bullshit. That's when it became an endless war. It should be clear from the start that none of that crap is part of our mission.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:29 AM (xtg8y)
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46 Mexican army allegedly found 10 IEDs near the border. Is this BS to instill fear, something to worry about or both?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (IZPBd)
It appears to have been part of a cartel war against each other. Hardly a surprise. Cartels are of course evil, but they won't do straight up terrorism because that's bad for business. They just want money, not jihad.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (IZPBd)
It appears to have been part of a cartel war against each other. Hardly a surprise. Cartels are of course evil, but they won't do straight up terrorism because that's bad for business. They just want money, not jihad.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:29 AM (i9ffA)
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After all, we still have troops in Germany and Japan and South Korea.
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Japan and South Korea still makes sense to me. Germany much less so.
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Japan and South Korea still makes sense to me. Germany much less so.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 15, 2023 11:29 AM (fs1hN)
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Whatever happened to Eyepatch McCain?
Posted by: Shaftoe at December 15, 2023 11:30 AM (BZYCq)
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If we stepped back and said "we don't care anymore, Israel, do what you want" things would change over there drastically and I think for the better.
Posted by: I f
Where do you think Israel gets its weapons?
If we stepped back and said "we don't care anymore, Israel, do what you want" things would change over there drastically and I think for the better.
Posted by: I f
Where do you think Israel gets its weapons?
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:30 AM (Pjh4P)
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With narco-terrorists and human traffickers entering our country unimpeded, it’s clear that “America First” is not a consideration of our rulers.
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It's evidence that America is not a consideration of our rulers, not really.
We are considered only insofar as we are useful - provide them with money and don't make a fuss when they exercise power.
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It's evidence that America is not a consideration of our rulers, not really.
We are considered only insofar as we are useful - provide them with money and don't make a fuss when they exercise power.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 15, 2023 11:31 AM (zxP/x)
Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2023 11:31 AM (Iaicw)
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Oh, and to those in Congress who state "we can do both", that is fund foreign countries and take care of the American people, you haven't done anything on the latter.
The 2023 Federal budget was $6.13T. The three largest expenditures (excluding interest on the debt, which in 2023 is about $659B) were healthcare, SS, and defense. The Ukraine expenditure was $44B.
There are lots of reasons to object to spending on Ukraine. Suggesting that we aren't taking care of Americans because of it is ludicrous.
The 2023 Federal budget was $6.13T. The three largest expenditures (excluding interest on the debt, which in 2023 is about $659B) were healthcare, SS, and defense. The Ukraine expenditure was $44B.
There are lots of reasons to object to spending on Ukraine. Suggesting that we aren't taking care of Americans because of it is ludicrous.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:31 AM (CsUN+)
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The House finally took a stand on the border, and in their bill there is a lot of good. But the senate is now watering it down all in the name of getting Ukraine more money. That in a nutshell tells you all you need to know about the senate.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:31 AM (xtg8y)
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Oh, and to those in Congress who state "we can do both", that is fund foreign countries and take care of the American people, you haven't done anything on the latter.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:23 AM (xtg8y)
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"Would you believe us if we said 'Someday, Citizen' and something about 'Not being the hill to die on'?"
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:23 AM (xtg8y)
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"Would you believe us if we said 'Someday, Citizen' and something about 'Not being the hill to die on'?"
Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 15, 2023 11:31 AM (fB38l)
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56 "I'd house a migrant in my own house."
"Okay, here's a migrant."
"Racist! Get that ***** away from me! He belongs in Texas!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
More importantly :
"His vote belongs in Texas!"
"Okay, here's a migrant."
"Racist! Get that ***** away from me! He belongs in Texas!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
More importantly :
"His vote belongs in Texas!"
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 11:31 AM (sm6Pk)
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It's really pretty simple. Any spending on foreign adventures must have a provable benefit to America. If not then no spending.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2023 11:21 AM (ZLI7S)
I'm willing to bet that every senior member of the government gets a kickback, in some form or fashion, from the MIC so, from their perspective, it benefits America.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2023 11:21 AM (ZLI7S)
I'm willing to bet that every senior member of the government gets a kickback, in some form or fashion, from the MIC so, from their perspective, it benefits America.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 11:32 AM (GYIa4)
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>>Oh, and to those in Congress who state "we can do both", that is fund foreign countries and take care of the American people, you haven't done anything on the latter.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:23 AM (xtg8y)
>>They can, they just won't.
I'm still amazed that we are in a place where the POTUS is demanding we send untold billions to a failed war in Ukraine and funds to help Israel before he will agree to maybe take some steps to stop the invasion on our southern border that he created.
Bizarro world.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:23 AM (xtg8y)
>>They can, they just won't.
I'm still amazed that we are in a place where the POTUS is demanding we send untold billions to a failed war in Ukraine and funds to help Israel before he will agree to maybe take some steps to stop the invasion on our southern border that he created.
Bizarro world.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2023 11:32 AM (ZLI7S)
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It is entirely rational for US citizens to decide that they will not support any more foreign wars until the US border is secured. Congress and those seeking to become President would be wise to take note that “America Someday” is no longer going to be tolerated, and if “reputable” politicians refuse to put America first, they will be replaced by “disreputable” politicians who will focus on America only.
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And the America Never deep state will put those disreputable politicians and their loudest supporters into gulags to keep the rest in line.
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And the America Never deep state will put those disreputable politicians and their loudest supporters into gulags to keep the rest in line.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 15, 2023 11:32 AM (zxP/x)
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The fines should be even higher. These bus companies are endangering both the migrant passengers and the people who have to process them, including many first responders...fine them into oblivion. They will abide by Chicago ordinances, or they will have no vehicles.
Fuck Shitcago. Stop at the edge of Joliet. Empty the busses. Point north. If you can walk inyo Texas, you can walk into Shitcago.
Fuck Shitcago. Stop at the edge of Joliet. Empty the busses. Point north. If you can walk inyo Texas, you can walk into Shitcago.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2023 11:33 AM (GIBR7)
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If we stepped back and said "we don't care anymore, Israel, do what you want" things would change over there drastically and I think for the better.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:28 AM (ky+MF)
In fact, Netanyahu and his War Cabinet have been pointedly telling Biden and Blinken "Fuck off, we're going to do what we're going to do whether you like it or not, cut us off if you want."
And the reason that calls Biden's bluff is that our forces are NOT actually there to support Israel's military; they are there to protect our forward operating bases across the region, which would be massively attacked as soon as we pulled back that protection. And THOSE bases are there to protect the Arab states from Iran, not to protect Israel.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:28 AM (ky+MF)
In fact, Netanyahu and his War Cabinet have been pointedly telling Biden and Blinken "Fuck off, we're going to do what we're going to do whether you like it or not, cut us off if you want."
And the reason that calls Biden's bluff is that our forces are NOT actually there to support Israel's military; they are there to protect our forward operating bases across the region, which would be massively attacked as soon as we pulled back that protection. And THOSE bases are there to protect the Arab states from Iran, not to protect Israel.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:33 AM (i9ffA)
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I'm still amazed that we are in a place where the POTUS is demanding we send untold billions to a failed war in Ukraine and funds to help Israel before he will agree to maybe take some steps to stop the invasion on our southern border that he created.
One has nothing to do with the other. Biden could stop the influx tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
One has nothing to do with the other. Biden could stop the influx tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:33 AM (CsUN+)
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Some Democrats Think Kamala Harris Deserves a "Second Look"
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Or at least a second point and laugh.
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Or at least a second point and laugh.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:33 AM (FVME7)
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Some Democrats Think Kamala Harris Deserves a "Second Look
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She does have certain skills....
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She does have certain skills....
Posted by: Willie Brown's Willie at December 15, 2023 11:34 AM (fs1hN)
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One has nothing to do with the other. Biden could stop the influx tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:33 AM (CsUN+)
Biden could stop the graft in Ukraine tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:33 AM (CsUN+)
Biden could stop the graft in Ukraine tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 15, 2023 11:34 AM (wvtRq)
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"I’ll also point out that I am a die-hard defender of Israel, and of my Jewish brothers and sisters across the globe. I enthusiastically support Israel for religious, political, cultural, and civilizational reasons, and I consider the war that Israel is fighting against Hamas to be part of the long-term defense of the Unites States and its values. I do not feel the same way about the Slavic turf war in eastern Ukraine."
This is where I come down exactly.
This is where I come down exactly.
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 15, 2023 11:34 AM (bqazj)
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (CsUN+)
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The big farce about Chicago complaining about the buses is that only 5% of the illegals traveling there come by bus. The vast majority of them get there in minivans and other transportation arranged by the shadow migrant industry, probably financed by the Cartels.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (i9ffA)
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Not America Only. America Mostly. Nearly All.
No more giving countries cash hoping they will be our friend.
No more giving countries cash hoping they will be our friend.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (NYzgN)
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Let's copy the new President of Argentina, Javier Milei. He axed 12 of 21:Government agencies; such an act would definitely helps us with our enormous debt and we might have a few dollars left to help other, non-sh*thole nations.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (IBDwy)
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Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:23 AM (mhQkT)
Before we kicked their ass twice or after?
Before we kicked their ass twice or after?
Posted by: Drive By redo at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (XIbv+)
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The US government is evil. It has been evil for a good while. We are not policemen, we are mobsters shaking down the world for our cut.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic'
I decided this in 1993 in (Horrific Civil War) when watching the USA enthusiastically back Islamic Terror over Orthodox Christianity.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic'
I decided this in 1993 in (Horrific Civil War) when watching the USA enthusiastically back Islamic Terror over Orthodox Christianity.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (/BBNv)
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Some Democrats Think Kamala Harris Deserves a "Second Look"
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Or at least a second point and laugh.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:33 AM (FVME7)
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We - and they - are saddled with Biden only because the Kalorama clique failed to get their girl in and because the Clinton clique failed to avoid getting sniped. Biden was the compromise candidate - controlled by Kalorama, with elements of the other factions willing to gamble on controlling enough of the Party apparatus to act as a check in their factional war.
He's been a disaster, but none of that changes that Harris is still Kalroama's girl, and their preferred choice. It is not at all surprising that they might try again.
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Or at least a second point and laugh.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:33 AM (FVME7)
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We - and they - are saddled with Biden only because the Kalorama clique failed to get their girl in and because the Clinton clique failed to avoid getting sniped. Biden was the compromise candidate - controlled by Kalorama, with elements of the other factions willing to gamble on controlling enough of the Party apparatus to act as a check in their factional war.
He's been a disaster, but none of that changes that Harris is still Kalroama's girl, and their preferred choice. It is not at all surprising that they might try again.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (zxP/x)
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103 Some Democrats Think Kamala Harris Deserves a "Second Look
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She does have certain skills....
Posted by: Willie Brown's Willie at December 15, 2023 11:34 AM (fs1hN)
By making America suck more?
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She does have certain skills....
Posted by: Willie Brown's Willie at December 15, 2023 11:34 AM (fs1hN)
By making America suck more?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (N39Ws)
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Where are the "CEASE FIRE IN UKRAINE NOW!!!" peace marches?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (i9ffA)
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109 Let's copy the new President of Argentina, Javier Milei. He axed 12 of 21:Government agencies; such an act would definitely helps us with our enormous debt and we might have a few dollars left to help other, non-sh*thole nations.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (IBDwy)
And our courts would never allow it.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (IBDwy)
And our courts would never allow it.
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 11:36 AM (sm6Pk)
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>>One has nothing to do with the other. Biden could stop the influx tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
I understand that. The point is he is telling the entire country he cares more about funding a war he started in Ukraine than insuring the safety of his own people and the only way he will even consider helping his people is if we spend money we don't have on a war that doesn't matter to Americans.
And people wonder why he is polling at 33% approval.
I understand that. The point is he is telling the entire country he cares more about funding a war he started in Ukraine than insuring the safety of his own people and the only way he will even consider helping his people is if we spend money we don't have on a war that doesn't matter to Americans.
And people wonder why he is polling at 33% approval.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2023 11:36 AM (ZLI7S)
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Yeah, I really want to listen to people that were just fine with Biden shrinking the dollar by 30 cents on day one. I know who my enemies are and they're not overseas.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:36 AM (mhQkT)
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112 He's been a disaster, but none of that changes that Harris is still Kalroama's girl, and their preferred choice. It is not at all surprising that they might try again.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (zxP/x)
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Nothing some vote counters in Atlanta can't fix.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (zxP/x)
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Nothing some vote counters in Atlanta can't fix.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
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And our courts would never allow it.
Alas, you are correct. However, if Trump is elected, and turns out to be the dictator the left is hyperventilating about, the courts won't have a say.
Alas, you are correct. However, if Trump is elected, and turns out to be the dictator the left is hyperventilating about, the courts won't have a say.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (CsUN+)
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Let's copy the new President of Argentina, Javier Milei. He axed 12 of 21:Government agencies; such an act would definitely helps us with our enormous debt and we might have a few dollars left to help other, non-sh*thole nations.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (IBDwy)
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It wouldn't help much in terms of money. The government and its officers are hugely wasteful and expensive, but aren't actually all that much of the total. Axing them is good for a whole lot of reasons, but "saving money" isn't really one of them. It's the programs that kill us fiscally, not the payroll.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (IBDwy)
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It wouldn't help much in terms of money. The government and its officers are hugely wasteful and expensive, but aren't actually all that much of the total. Axing them is good for a whole lot of reasons, but "saving money" isn't really one of them. It's the programs that kill us fiscally, not the payroll.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (zxP/x)
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In fact, Netanyahu and his War Cabinet have been pointedly telling Biden and Blinken "Fuck off, we're going to do what we're going to do whether you like it or not, cut us off if you want."
And the reason that calls Biden's bluff is that our forces are NOT actually there to support Israel's military; they are there to protect our forward operating bases across the region, which would be massively attacked as soon as we pulled back that protection. And THOSE bases are there to protect the Arab states from Iran, not to protect Israel.
Posted by: Tom
They are a bit more thoughtful with saying fjb because without our aid they do not have a military.
Where do you think everything they fly comes from?
And the reason that calls Biden's bluff is that our forces are NOT actually there to support Israel's military; they are there to protect our forward operating bases across the region, which would be massively attacked as soon as we pulled back that protection. And THOSE bases are there to protect the Arab states from Iran, not to protect Israel.
Posted by: Tom
They are a bit more thoughtful with saying fjb because without our aid they do not have a military.
Where do you think everything they fly comes from?
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (Pjh4P)
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And our courts would never allow it.
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 11:36 AM (sm6Pk)
Axe the courts.
Screw it, let's party.
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 11:36 AM (sm6Pk)
Axe the courts.
Screw it, let's party.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (9UlRk)
Posted by: Drive By redo at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (XIbv+)
Posted by: vic at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (A5THL)
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I Miss Comedy in America. Just Look at Saturday Night Live.
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Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
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Wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (FVME7)
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116 >>One has nothing to do with the other. Biden could stop the influx tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
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There's big money in slaves. Always has been.
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There's big money in slaves. Always has been.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (mhQkT)
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We are boned.
Posted by: nckate at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (SnxUt)
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I think for the DC crowd Ukraine and Israel and Taiwan are just pieces on the chessboard. So whichever combo supports their own worldview, and paths to enrichment, that is the one they are going to run with. maybe some understand that Israel is the tip of the spear in defense of Western values in a very troubled and backward region, maybe some understand that Taiwan is all that stands between Chinese dictatorship in the region and freedom, but I am not sure it goes that deep.
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (V13WU)
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America first. America only.
I'm either getting old or just grew up different.
Not saying I was (or am) really great at it but at least I remember when the ordering of such priorities was...
God
Country
Family
Friends
Others
Self
I'm either getting old or just grew up different.
Not saying I was (or am) really great at it but at least I remember when the ordering of such priorities was...
God
Country
Family
Friends
Others
Self
Posted by: Teej at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (DW2aF)
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46 Mexican army allegedly found 10 IEDs near the border. Is this BS to instill fear, something to worry about or both?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (IZPBd)
Yes. "And".
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (IZPBd)
Yes. "And".
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (Rbu5d)
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NY Post:
The incident occurred about 90 minutes into a livestreamed meeting in the Keretsky Village Council in Ukraine’s Western Zakarpattia region Friday.
A short clip shared by the Ukrainian National Police shows a man — later identified as deputy Serhiy Batryn, a member of Ukraine’s parliament — entering the council headquarters during the debate about finances.
“May I speak?” he finally asks — before removing at least three hand grenades from his jacket pockets and tossing them on the floor. [...]
Friday’s council session was held to approve the village’s budget for 2024, but Batryn, a deputy from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s Servant of the People Party, argued that he and his colleagues should first give a full report on the 2023 budget before moving on to next year’s.
Batryn also had a long-standing feud with village chief Mikhail Mushka, reported the news Telegram channel Zakarpattya24.
The incident occurred about 90 minutes into a livestreamed meeting in the Keretsky Village Council in Ukraine’s Western Zakarpattia region Friday.
A short clip shared by the Ukrainian National Police shows a man — later identified as deputy Serhiy Batryn, a member of Ukraine’s parliament — entering the council headquarters during the debate about finances.
“May I speak?” he finally asks — before removing at least three hand grenades from his jacket pockets and tossing them on the floor. [...]
Friday’s council session was held to approve the village’s budget for 2024, but Batryn, a deputy from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s Servant of the People Party, argued that he and his colleagues should first give a full report on the 2023 budget before moving on to next year’s.
Batryn also had a long-standing feud with village chief Mikhail Mushka, reported the news Telegram channel Zakarpattya24.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (krqg6)
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Where are the "CEASE FIRE IN UKRAINE NOW!!!" peace marches?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (i9ffA)
The dems support endless war in Ukraine, thus those who pay for, plan, organize and get people to protests/marches, riots are not organizing such things in relation to Ukraine.
Same reason BLM/antifa protests stopped immediately after the election.
Just like code pink disappeared after Obama became president.
War is only bad when a republican is in office.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (i9ffA)
The dems support endless war in Ukraine, thus those who pay for, plan, organize and get people to protests/marches, riots are not organizing such things in relation to Ukraine.
Same reason BLM/antifa protests stopped immediately after the election.
Just like code pink disappeared after Obama became president.
War is only bad when a republican is in office.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (ky+MF)
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cont.
NY Post:
Batryn also had a long-standing feud with village chief Mikhail Mushka, reported the news Telegram channel Zakarpattya24.
Batryn had opposed a proposal to allocate a 50% raise and a monthly bonus for Mushka during the war, and had voted against deeming the village chief’s job performance satisfactory.
At the height of the budget debate, Batryn walked out of the council headquarters and then returned less then 3 minutes later to detonate the grenades.
NY Post:
Batryn also had a long-standing feud with village chief Mikhail Mushka, reported the news Telegram channel Zakarpattya24.
Batryn had opposed a proposal to allocate a 50% raise and a monthly bonus for Mushka during the war, and had voted against deeming the village chief’s job performance satisfactory.
At the height of the budget debate, Batryn walked out of the council headquarters and then returned less then 3 minutes later to detonate the grenades.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (krqg6)
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Nothing some vote counters in Atlanta can't fix.
BTW, when you asked me if I'd admit error if Trump is the nom, and is elected, I said yes. I neglected to ask you if you'd do the same, since a Trump election would mean you've been utterly wrong about the impossibility of a GOP victory without massive electoral reform.
BTW, when you asked me if I'd admit error if Trump is the nom, and is elected, I said yes. I neglected to ask you if you'd do the same, since a Trump election would mean you've been utterly wrong about the impossibility of a GOP victory without massive electoral reform.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:39 AM (CsUN+)
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Where do you think everything they fly comes from?
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (Pjh4P)
They have planes from other countries also.
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:37 AM (Pjh4P)
They have planes from other countries also.
Posted by: Drive By redo at December 15, 2023 11:39 AM (XIbv+)
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Checking the boxes on bills and mandatory spending year after year, without considering the priorities and the challenges people face isn't "taking care of them". We have an administrative state which has become a behometh and usurped the powers of Congress. They mostly sit on their asses and let things roll along. Meanwhile the border is making the country less safe, schools are being overtaken by ideologues, inflation is rampant, people can't afford everyday things, etc., etc.. But yeah, Congress is doing their duty. Let's see what happens now that we've eliminated the omnibus most of these cowards hid behind and had zero idea what they contained.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:39 AM (xtg8y)
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With Kamala's mad, bouncy cackle and exuberance for wrangling cock, of course she deserves a second chance.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 15, 2023 11:39 AM (9v1kn)
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Market note: King Harv's mid-December specials list is out.
Yemen and Mocca Java have been on the expensive end for years (for some years, almost no coffee was reaching the market, and locals were changing over to growing khat[/i).
For some reason, the prices of these have not gone up. One Yemen is even marked down a little. If you value these beans, stock up, because that coast is about to get real active.
For my money, King Harv has the best Mocca Java in the U.S.
Yo Polliwog: still not drunk.
Yemen and Mocca Java have been on the expensive end for years (for some years, almost no coffee was reaching the market, and locals were changing over to growing khat[/i).
For some reason, the prices of these have not gone up. One Yemen is even marked down a little. If you value these beans, stock up, because that coast is about to get real active.
For my money, King Harv has the best Mocca Java in the U.S.
Yo Polliwog: still not drunk.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 15, 2023 11:40 AM (FCs/J)
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There is much debate among those of us on the right as to how the US government should prioritize America’s interests and domestic security against the needs of overseas allies and other global challenges.
Guys...Guys...Guys...
You are all missing the point. sure, this is all important but you do realize...DON'T YOU...the the college Bowl Season is almost here with the all so important CFP! AND...the transfer portal system is working overtime!
AND WAIT!!! THERE'S MORE!!!
The NFL is nearing it's playoffs and Goh Hisself knows this is what Americans really care about!!!
Guys...Guys...Guys...
You are all missing the point. sure, this is all important but you do realize...DON'T YOU...the the college Bowl Season is almost here with the all so important CFP! AND...the transfer portal system is working overtime!
AND WAIT!!! THERE'S MORE!!!
The NFL is nearing it's playoffs and Goh Hisself knows this is what Americans really care about!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2023 11:40 AM (W/lyH)
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134 Nothing some vote counters in Atlanta can't fix.
BTW, when you asked me if I'd admit error if Trump is the nom, and is elected, I said yes. I neglected to ask you if you'd do the same, since a Trump election would mean you've been utterly wrong about the impossibility of a GOP victory without massive electoral reform.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:39 AM (CsUN+)
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Of course.
I admitted fault after 2022 while insisting that the cheating ceiling had been placed back because of the repeal of the PA governor's emergency powers.
I was wrong because the PA governor simply broke the law, out in the open, by sending 250,000 illegal mail in ballots out into the wild to be cured, and no one stopped it, proving that there was no longer a cheating ceiling.
BTW, when you asked me if I'd admit error if Trump is the nom, and is elected, I said yes. I neglected to ask you if you'd do the same, since a Trump election would mean you've been utterly wrong about the impossibility of a GOP victory without massive electoral reform.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:39 AM (CsUN+)
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Of course.
I admitted fault after 2022 while insisting that the cheating ceiling had been placed back because of the repeal of the PA governor's emergency powers.
I was wrong because the PA governor simply broke the law, out in the open, by sending 250,000 illegal mail in ballots out into the wild to be cured, and no one stopped it, proving that there was no longer a cheating ceiling.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:40 AM (GBKbO)
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The Ukrainian money laundry is on a par with chynaflu or the election steal as far as scams go.
Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2023 11:41 AM (rqn5J)
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A current example of where US inaction is far more costly to us than action: The Houthi's are currently lobbing missiles at international shipping off their shores. They at first claimed that they were shooting at Israeli targets, but they're not clever enough to discriminate, so they're shooting at anything. They have also fired ballistic missiles at US warships patrolling the area, giving the US every justification for treating this as an Act of War. This is not a threat to Israel; this is a direct threat to the US Navy and the world's economic system. And the US, with one carrier group, could end it in 24 hours if they were given the order.
So what is happening? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Biden and Blinken sit at their desks and twiddle their thumbs while the Houthi's are encouraged to shoot more and more missiles at random shipping craft every day. What are they waiting for, a US warship to miss an intercept and actually get sunk before they do something?
So what is happening? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Biden and Blinken sit at their desks and twiddle their thumbs while the Houthi's are encouraged to shoot more and more missiles at random shipping craft every day. What are they waiting for, a US warship to miss an intercept and actually get sunk before they do something?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:41 AM (i9ffA)
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God
Country
Family
Friends
Others
Self
Posted by: Teej at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (DW2aF)
Some of those entries have to earn their place on the list.
Country
Family
Friends
Others
Self
Posted by: Teej at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (DW2aF)
Some of those entries have to earn their place on the list.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:41 AM (9UlRk)
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Ghetto wars are only possible after you have inserted the selected ghetto into America. Let's stop doing this.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:42 AM (mhQkT)
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:42 AM (Pjh4P)
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Eastern Michigan University (somehow not the Fightin' Emus) is in a bowl game this year.
This is your giant clue that there are too many effin' bown games.
This is your giant clue that there are too many effin' bown games.
Posted by: leoncaruthers at December 15, 2023 11:42 AM (UfRqq)
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I neglected to ask you if you'd do the same, since a Trump election would mean you've been utterly wrong about the impossibility of a GOP victory without massive electoral reform.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:39 AM (CsUN+)
I'm not who you asked, but I'd say this - a republican victory is not "impossible", but for it to happen the republican has to win by a large margin, otherwise the fraud will prevent the victory. The fraud has been there in all elections the last 40 years, but it is getting more open and worse. And it appears to only go one way.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:39 AM (CsUN+)
I'm not who you asked, but I'd say this - a republican victory is not "impossible", but for it to happen the republican has to win by a large margin, otherwise the fraud will prevent the victory. The fraud has been there in all elections the last 40 years, but it is getting more open and worse. And it appears to only go one way.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:42 AM (ky+MF)
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It may have taken Dennis Prager a while to come around, but he is full.on with his condemnation of corruption, starting with DC.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 15, 2023 11:42 AM (IBDwy)
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A Fish Rots from the Head Down. Biden is a rotten Deep State Apparatchik Fish.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:27 AM (mhQkT)
So was Obama. So was W. So was Clinton. So was W's daddy....
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:27 AM (mhQkT)
So was Obama. So was W. So was Clinton. So was W's daddy....
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 11:43 AM (GYIa4)
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A Fish Rots from the Head Down. Biden is a rotten Deep State Apparatchik Fish.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:27 AM (mhQkT)
So was Obama. So was W. So was Clinton. So was W's daddy....
Coolidge was tolerable.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:27 AM (mhQkT)
So was Obama. So was W. So was Clinton. So was W's daddy....
Coolidge was tolerable.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:43 AM (CsUN+)
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Checking the boxes on bills and mandatory spending year after year, without considering the priorities and the challenges people face isn't "taking care of them". We have an administrative state which has become a behometh and usurped the powers of Congress. ...
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:39 AM (xtg8y)
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It has usurped nothing. Yes, the power the bureaucracy wields is right Congress' power, but it was not usurped. It was *ceded* voluntarily at every opportunity.
The bureaucracy had no power to take anything that Congress was not willing to give it. Most of the powers the bureaucracy possess now weren't even asked for, they were merely given.
Congress has spent a more than a century signing enabling acts, and doing so of its own accord. The bureaucracy is merely a beneficiary of this, not a usurper. If a rich and powerful uncle comes to you and says, "I can't be bothered with all my money and my position, so you go ahead and take care of it," well, most people wouldn't say "no." Neither did the bureaucracy.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:39 AM (xtg8y)
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It has usurped nothing. Yes, the power the bureaucracy wields is right Congress' power, but it was not usurped. It was *ceded* voluntarily at every opportunity.
The bureaucracy had no power to take anything that Congress was not willing to give it. Most of the powers the bureaucracy possess now weren't even asked for, they were merely given.
Congress has spent a more than a century signing enabling acts, and doing so of its own accord. The bureaucracy is merely a beneficiary of this, not a usurper. If a rich and powerful uncle comes to you and says, "I can't be bothered with all my money and my position, so you go ahead and take care of it," well, most people wouldn't say "no." Neither did the bureaucracy.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 15, 2023 11:44 AM (zxP/x)
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Evan Hill
@evanhill
CNN reports that nearly half of the air-to-ground munitions that Israel has used in Gaza in its war with Hamas since Oct. 7 have been unguided, otherwise known as “dumb bombs,” according to a new US intelligence assessment:
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If they mean dumb-seeking missle, the war'll be over in no time.
@evanhill
CNN reports that nearly half of the air-to-ground munitions that Israel has used in Gaza in its war with Hamas since Oct. 7 have been unguided, otherwise known as “dumb bombs,” according to a new US intelligence assessment:
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If they mean dumb-seeking missle, the war'll be over in no time.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:44 AM (FVME7)
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>>I'm not who you asked, but I'd say this - a republican victory is not "impossible", but for it to happen the republican has to win by a large margin, otherwise the fraud will prevent the victory. The fraud has been there in all elections the last 40 years, but it is getting more open and worse. And it appears to only go one way.
Been saying this all along and the only one with the balls to fight hard enough to build a coalition to win AND will do at least some of the things we want is Trump.
Been saying this all along and the only one with the balls to fight hard enough to build a coalition to win AND will do at least some of the things we want is Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2023 11:44 AM (ZLI7S)
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Biden has outright refused any of the border bill the House is proposing. Even after the senate tried to water it down. This should be his undoing, and if you had a single doubt the invasion wasn't purposeful, malicious and insidious, this should be it. Ukraine can kiss my ass. What happens is a direct result of Democrats complete abandonment of the American people.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:44 AM (xtg8y)
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The people demanding we support the Ukes also cheered for dead American in the WoT.
F*ck them and their "wars of choice"
F*ck them and their "wars of choice"
Posted by: 18-1 at December 15, 2023 11:45 AM (XqcwY)
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Policing the globe would be easier if the racist communists in Beijing, criminal kleptocrats in Moscow and All of Africa (except Botswana), and religious fascists in Persia and the middle east were eliminated.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 15, 2023 11:28 AM (RIvkX)
What about the racist communists in DC? The criminal kleptocrats in DC? The religious (Gaia, or LGBTQ) fascists in DC?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 15, 2023 11:28 AM (RIvkX)
What about the racist communists in DC? The criminal kleptocrats in DC? The religious (Gaia, or LGBTQ) fascists in DC?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 11:45 AM (GYIa4)
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Have any high level Jewish Dem politicians left the party over the anti-semetic hate yet? Or maybe some mid level ones, say a mayor? How about some unknown school board or city council member somewhere?
If there where, I haven't heard of it. Dems will put a lid on the anti-semites and tell then to shut-up for a while. And Jews will still vote 80% Dem and their hateful, insane agenda, as long as they get to be a protected victim class. I have to say their refusal to wake the f***up tmakes me view them as just another Dem victim/grievance group.
If there where, I haven't heard of it. Dems will put a lid on the anti-semites and tell then to shut-up for a while. And Jews will still vote 80% Dem and their hateful, insane agenda, as long as they get to be a protected victim class. I have to say their refusal to wake the f***up tmakes me view them as just another Dem victim/grievance group.
Posted by: Ripley at December 15, 2023 11:45 AM (JojsZ)
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154 Biden has outright refused any of the border bill the House is proposing. Even after the senate tried to water it down. This should be his undoing, and if you had a single doubt the invasion wasn't purposeful, malicious and insidious, this should be it. Ukraine can kiss my ass. What happens is a direct result of Democrats complete abandonment of the American people.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:44 AM (xtg8y)
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"Democrats are for open borders? I had no idea!"
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:44 AM (xtg8y)
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"Democrats are for open borders? I had no idea!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
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Stop at the edge of Joliet. Empty the busses. Point north.
From Joliet, you know, you can drift into Chicago on the Sanitary and Ship Canal.
From Joliet, you know, you can drift into Chicago on the Sanitary and Ship Canal.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 15, 2023 11:45 AM (FCs/J)
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Nothing at all wrong with America only. An easy choice. Emulating the most exceptional country on the planet is quite logical.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 15, 2023 11:45 AM (KATBx)
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So was Obama. So was W. So was Clinton. So was W's daddy....
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W's daddy weaponized Churches via his 1,000 points of light. Guess who is operating the slave trade these days?
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W's daddy weaponized Churches via his 1,000 points of light. Guess who is operating the slave trade these days?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:45 AM (mhQkT)
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Trump is the least corrupt cleanest person in politics in a generation. A NY real estate developer and one-time playboy. Amazing when you think about it.
And he’s the guy the system is crashing down on. Makes you wonder why /sarc
And he’s the guy the system is crashing down on. Makes you wonder why /sarc
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 15, 2023 11:46 AM (9Tih0)
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(Yes, I know I'm never going to get an answer, Intrepid, but I thought maybe I could give you some ammo.)
Posted by: pookysgirl
No need for ammo..not like I'm arguing back with them on DU. I'd just get banned (again). I just post here so we can point and laugh...and because they're often WAY more out of touch with reality than I'd think, otherwise.
I'm surprised no one commented on this part, which I found especially ironic: Hurray to Chicago for showing us the way. Not to stop the shipment of refugees, but to put strict limits on the where and when.
If a city can have a strict limit on the "when and where" of migrants, could, perhaps, a state or nation? Maybe even "how many", because that's REALLY what Chicago is trying to control.
Posted by: pookysgirl
No need for ammo..not like I'm arguing back with them on DU. I'd just get banned (again). I just post here so we can point and laugh...and because they're often WAY more out of touch with reality than I'd think, otherwise.
I'm surprised no one commented on this part, which I found especially ironic: Hurray to Chicago for showing us the way. Not to stop the shipment of refugees, but to put strict limits on the where and when.
If a city can have a strict limit on the "when and where" of migrants, could, perhaps, a state or nation? Maybe even "how many", because that's REALLY what Chicago is trying to control.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:46 AM (JCZqz)
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CNN reports that nearly half of the air-to-ground munitions that Israel has used in Gaza in its war with Hamas since Oct. 7 have been unguided, otherwise known as “dumb bombs,” according to a new US intelligence assessment:
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If they mean dumb-seeking missle, the war'll be over in no time.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:44 AM (FVME7)
Does it matter? No. Why waste expensive smart weapons when your mission is to blow mohammed's shit up? Save the smart bombs for blowing mohammed up.
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If they mean dumb-seeking missle, the war'll be over in no time.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:44 AM (FVME7)
Does it matter? No. Why waste expensive smart weapons when your mission is to blow mohammed's shit up? Save the smart bombs for blowing mohammed up.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 15, 2023 11:46 AM (wvtRq)
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:46 AM (Pjh4P)
166
The bureaucracy had no power to take anything that Congress was not willing to give it. Most of the powers the bureaucracy possess now weren't even asked for, they were merely given.
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And the 'radicals' are those in congress that want to reduce the power of the bureaucracy, and the executive that wants to reduce regulations is a 'threat to democracy'.
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And the 'radicals' are those in congress that want to reduce the power of the bureaucracy, and the executive that wants to reduce regulations is a 'threat to democracy'.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 15, 2023 11:46 AM (fs1hN)
167
It has usurped nothing. Yes, the power the bureaucracy wields is right Congress' power, but it was not usurped. It was *ceded* voluntarily at every opportunity.
The bureaucracy had no power to take anything that Congress was not willing to give it. Most of the powers the bureaucracy possess now weren't even asked for, they were merely given.
Congress has spent a more than a century signing enabling acts, and doing so of its own accord. The bureaucracy is merely a beneficiary of this, not a usurper. If a rich and powerful uncle comes to you and says, "I can't be bothered with all my money and my position, so you go ahead and take care of it," well, most people wouldn't say "no." Neither did the bureaucracy.
True. However, IIRC, SCOTUS has a case now which could overturn Chevron, the decision that gave the bureaucracy a wink and a nod about making law. Assuming it's overturned, that would be absolutely huge.
The bureaucracy had no power to take anything that Congress was not willing to give it. Most of the powers the bureaucracy possess now weren't even asked for, they were merely given.
Congress has spent a more than a century signing enabling acts, and doing so of its own accord. The bureaucracy is merely a beneficiary of this, not a usurper. If a rich and powerful uncle comes to you and says, "I can't be bothered with all my money and my position, so you go ahead and take care of it," well, most people wouldn't say "no." Neither did the bureaucracy.
True. However, IIRC, SCOTUS has a case now which could overturn Chevron, the decision that gave the bureaucracy a wink and a nod about making law. Assuming it's overturned, that would be absolutely huge.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (CsUN+)
168
So was Obama. So was W. So was Clinton. So was W's daddy....
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 11:43 AM (GYIa4)
I feel like the deep state really got its sea legs and power starting under Clinton. It was always there, but I don't think it had (or exercised) the same amount of power it now does until starting with the Clinton admin, growing under W, growing more under Obama, and then really flexed its muscle under Trump. B/c Biden is a puppet of the deep state, we don't see the deep state flexing as obviously right now b/c Biden does whatever the deep state wants anyway.
The real question, to me, is whether a non-Trump GOP candidate has the wherewithall or desire to take on the deep state. Certainly the GOP house and Senate does not have the spine to fight the deep state.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 11:43 AM (GYIa4)
I feel like the deep state really got its sea legs and power starting under Clinton. It was always there, but I don't think it had (or exercised) the same amount of power it now does until starting with the Clinton admin, growing under W, growing more under Obama, and then really flexed its muscle under Trump. B/c Biden is a puppet of the deep state, we don't see the deep state flexing as obviously right now b/c Biden does whatever the deep state wants anyway.
The real question, to me, is whether a non-Trump GOP candidate has the wherewithall or desire to take on the deep state. Certainly the GOP house and Senate does not have the spine to fight the deep state.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (ky+MF)
169
Checking the boxes on bills and mandatory spending year after year, without considering the priorities and the challenges people face isn't "taking care of them
You know what an opposition party would do?
Go to taxpayers and ask them what is a higher priority for them - "funding the Uke war" or a check for a $1000 right now back from their taxes.
We all know what the answer would be from 90%+ of those taxpayers...
You know what an opposition party would do?
Go to taxpayers and ask them what is a higher priority for them - "funding the Uke war" or a check for a $1000 right now back from their taxes.
We all know what the answer would be from 90%+ of those taxpayers...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (XqcwY)
170
"While many conservatives were glad to provide support to Ukraine initially – especially when it looked like Kiev might fall – it is clear now that keeping the stalemate going is the aim of the political class."
Which conservatives? I never gave a rat's ass about Ukraine or whatever happens to that corrupt shithole of degenerate parasites and rent seekers. Fuck the country and fuck everyone in it. Not my problem.
Which conservatives? I never gave a rat's ass about Ukraine or whatever happens to that corrupt shithole of degenerate parasites and rent seekers. Fuck the country and fuck everyone in it. Not my problem.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (iFTx/)
171
Republicans can't win when the official position of the RNC is: "Fraud didn't happen in 2020, it is totally secure, no changes need to be made at all, shut up, don't talk about election fraud, talking about election fraud is a losing position."
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (NYzgN)
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163 I'm surprised no one commented on this part, which I found especially ironic: Hurray to Chicago for showing us the way. Not to stop the shipment of refugees, but to put strict limits on the where and when.
If a city can have a strict limit on the "when and where" of migrants, could, perhaps, a state or nation? Maybe even "how many", because that's REALLY what Chicago is trying to control.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:46 AM (JCZqz)
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You put it too far in the middle to notice!
But yeah, that's great. Their view of American governance is that blue cities have the authority to act unconstitutionally. I remember arguing with a leftist who said that San Francisco didn't need to follow the constitution, which is a decidedly pre-14th Amendment point of view. I laughed at him, on Twitter. It amused me.
It was an outright neo-Confederate point of view, and he denied it.
If a city can have a strict limit on the "when and where" of migrants, could, perhaps, a state or nation? Maybe even "how many", because that's REALLY what Chicago is trying to control.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:46 AM (JCZqz)
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You put it too far in the middle to notice!
But yeah, that's great. Their view of American governance is that blue cities have the authority to act unconstitutionally. I remember arguing with a leftist who said that San Francisco didn't need to follow the constitution, which is a decidedly pre-14th Amendment point of view. I laughed at him, on Twitter. It amused me.
It was an outright neo-Confederate point of view, and he denied it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:48 AM (GBKbO)
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They talk to me about "dumb bombs" as if I'm not perfectly OK with that.
What are you going to do, miss the blooddrunk jihadis and accidentally take out mother Teresa in the room next door?
Piss off. Make the rubble bounce.
What are you going to do, miss the blooddrunk jihadis and accidentally take out mother Teresa in the room next door?
Piss off. Make the rubble bounce.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:48 AM (9UlRk)
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True. However, IIRC, SCOTUS has a case now which could overturn Chevron, the decision that gave the bureaucracy a wink and a nod about making law. Assuming it's overturned, that would be absolutely huge.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (CsUN+)
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It should be huge. My great fear is that this case goes the right way and is ... meaningless.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (CsUN+)
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It should be huge. My great fear is that this case goes the right way and is ... meaningless.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 15, 2023 11:48 AM (zxP/x)
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All In with Chris Hayes
@allinwithchris
"Part of the reason that people's perception the economy was 'good' in the Trump era...is that he constantly, unceasingly sledgehammered us over the head with propaganda about it," says @chrislhayes on the economic messaging of Trump vs. Biden.
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MSNBC NEVER stoops to sledgehammer propaganda.
@allinwithchris
"Part of the reason that people's perception the economy was 'good' in the Trump era...is that he constantly, unceasingly sledgehammered us over the head with propaganda about it," says @chrislhayes on the economic messaging of Trump vs. Biden.
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MSNBC NEVER stoops to sledgehammer propaganda.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:49 AM (FVME7)
176
Evan Hill
@evanhill
CNN reports that nearly half of the air-to-ground munitions that Israel has used in Gaza in its war with Hamas since Oct. 7 have been unguided, otherwise known as “dumb bombs,” according to a new US intelligence assessment:
More cherry picked news from CNN (Lord I hate them o) in order to make something sound far worse than it it. In the case of air supremacy, a good pilot can drop a dumb bomb within meters of where a smart bomb can hit. And when the bomb is, say, a 500 pounder, five or ten meters does not matter.
Fu*k you CNN.
@evanhill
CNN reports that nearly half of the air-to-ground munitions that Israel has used in Gaza in its war with Hamas since Oct. 7 have been unguided, otherwise known as “dumb bombs,” according to a new US intelligence assessment:
More cherry picked news from CNN (Lord I hate them o) in order to make something sound far worse than it it. In the case of air supremacy, a good pilot can drop a dumb bomb within meters of where a smart bomb can hit. And when the bomb is, say, a 500 pounder, five or ten meters does not matter.
Fu*k you CNN.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2023 11:49 AM (W/lyH)
177
Dems will put a lid on the anti-semites and tell then to shut-up for a while. And Jews will still vote 80% Dem
Hear it all day. Mostly true, but how does it differ from Catholics, or Hungarians, or UAW members? I seldom hear such round goddamming for them, and they're at least as reliably Dem as the Jews are. You may need to broaden your horizon on this.
Hear it all day. Mostly true, but how does it differ from Catholics, or Hungarians, or UAW members? I seldom hear such round goddamming for them, and they're at least as reliably Dem as the Jews are. You may need to broaden your horizon on this.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 15, 2023 11:49 AM (FCs/J)
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167 True. However, IIRC, SCOTUS has a case now which could overturn Chevron, the decision that gave the bureaucracy a wink and a nod about making law. Assuming it's overturned, that would be absolutely huge.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (CsUN+)
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Apparently a ruling last year actually did it, but the new case is just going to make it explicit.
Not that, it seems, anyone has recognized it because the bureaucracy is completely out of control and will not be put back in its box.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (CsUN+)
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Apparently a ruling last year actually did it, but the new case is just going to make it explicit.
Not that, it seems, anyone has recognized it because the bureaucracy is completely out of control and will not be put back in its box.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:49 AM (GBKbO)
179
Pentagon military geniuses that planned Afghanistan so well, are now trying to manage Israel's war.
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2023 11:49 AM (V13WU)
180
104 One has nothing to do with the other. Biden could stop the influx tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:33 AM (CsUN+)
Biden could stop the graft in Ukraine tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 15, 2023 11:34 AM (wvtRq)
He could stop pooping his pants tomorrow, he just can't.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:33 AM (CsUN+)
Biden could stop the graft in Ukraine tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 15, 2023 11:34 AM (wvtRq)
He could stop pooping his pants tomorrow, he just can't.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at December 15, 2023 11:50 AM (Rbu5d)
181
It is interesting that they are using so many dumb bombs because that is much more dangerous for the idf guys that are nearby
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:50 AM (Pjh4P)
182
171 Republicans can't win when the official position of the RNC is: "Fraud didn't happen in 2020, it is totally secure, no changes need to be made at all, shut up, don't talk about election fraud, talking about election fraud is a losing position."
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (NYzgN)
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Trump is the only candidate who even seems to acknowledge that there was cheating at all in 2020.
And he's apparently kept his very strong lead in the primary since the season started.
Probably just a coincidence.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (NYzgN)
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Trump is the only candidate who even seems to acknowledge that there was cheating at all in 2020.
And he's apparently kept his very strong lead in the primary since the season started.
Probably just a coincidence.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
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174 True. However, IIRC, SCOTUS has a case now which could overturn Chevron, the decision that gave the bureaucracy a wink and a nod about making law. Assuming it's overturned, that would be absolutely huge.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (CsUN+)
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The Court? How many divisions has it got?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (CsUN+)
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The Court? How many divisions has it got?
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 15, 2023 11:50 AM (iFTx/)
184
I decided this in 1993 in (Horrific Civil War) when watching the USA enthusiastically back Islamic Terror over Orthodox Christianity.
1993: Bomb those f*ckers. They deserve it!
2003: What is war good for? HUH Absolutely nothing!
2023: Bomb those f*ckers. They deserve it!
1993: Bomb those f*ckers. They deserve it!
2003: What is war good for? HUH Absolutely nothing!
2023: Bomb those f*ckers. They deserve it!
Posted by: The left's foreign policy at December 15, 2023 11:51 AM (XqcwY)
185
Here's what bothers me the most about this discussion. Gen Maddog Mattis, as Secretary of Defense, said publicly that America First is an un-American position.
I mean, I can't even.
And he wasn't alone, I am plugged into a fair number of folks in our military and there were a lot of them who said the same thing.
I don't know how we as a nation can survive with our military committed to such a notion.
I mean, I can't even.
And he wasn't alone, I am plugged into a fair number of folks in our military and there were a lot of them who said the same thing.
I don't know how we as a nation can survive with our military committed to such a notion.
Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2023 11:51 AM (U0X9X)
186
Just like code pink disappeared after Obama became president.
War is only bad when a republican is in office.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (ky+MF
Here's a fun bit of association in that world - kind of thing the left calls "crazy conspiracy" but is all verified.
Jodie Evans was a co-founder of Code Pink, she started off by leading protests against Sarah Palin in 2008. In 2017 she married tech entrepreneur Neville Roy Singham, worth many millions. Neville Roy Singham has been identified as the largest financial backer of the pro-Hamas rallies in New York and DC, putting up millions to make them happen.
but wait - that's not the best part. You'd think that would mean he has some ties to the Palestinians, but no, that wasn't where the money came from. Neville Roy Singham has very close ties to the Chinese Communist Party, and it is believed that most of the money he throws around is spent on their behalf.
wheels within wheels within wheels.
War is only bad when a republican is in office.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:38 AM (ky+MF
Here's a fun bit of association in that world - kind of thing the left calls "crazy conspiracy" but is all verified.
Jodie Evans was a co-founder of Code Pink, she started off by leading protests against Sarah Palin in 2008. In 2017 she married tech entrepreneur Neville Roy Singham, worth many millions. Neville Roy Singham has been identified as the largest financial backer of the pro-Hamas rallies in New York and DC, putting up millions to make them happen.
but wait - that's not the best part. You'd think that would mean he has some ties to the Palestinians, but no, that wasn't where the money came from. Neville Roy Singham has very close ties to the Chinese Communist Party, and it is believed that most of the money he throws around is spent on their behalf.
wheels within wheels within wheels.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:51 AM (i9ffA)
187
The deep state killed Kennedy.
The deep state took out Nixon and gave us Ford.
The deep state tried to take out Reagan.
The deep state took out Nixon and gave us Ford.
The deep state tried to take out Reagan.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2023 11:51 AM (NYzgN)
188
176 Evan Hill
@evanhill
CNN reports that nearly half of the air-to-ground munitions that Israel has used in Gaza in its war with Hamas since Oct. 7 have been unguided, otherwise known as “dumb bombs,” according to a new US intelligence assessment:
More cherry picked news from CNN (Lord I hate them o) in order to make something sound far worse than it it. In the case of air supremacy, a good pilot can drop a dumb bomb within meters of where a smart bomb can hit. And when the bomb is, say, a 500 pounder, five or ten meters does not matter.
Fu*k you CNN.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2023 11:49 AM (W/lyH)
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Why waste a smart bomb on a dumb target?
@evanhill
CNN reports that nearly half of the air-to-ground munitions that Israel has used in Gaza in its war with Hamas since Oct. 7 have been unguided, otherwise known as “dumb bombs,” according to a new US intelligence assessment:
More cherry picked news from CNN (Lord I hate them o) in order to make something sound far worse than it it. In the case of air supremacy, a good pilot can drop a dumb bomb within meters of where a smart bomb can hit. And when the bomb is, say, a 500 pounder, five or ten meters does not matter.
Fu*k you CNN.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2023 11:49 AM (W/lyH)
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Why waste a smart bomb on a dumb target?
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 15, 2023 11:51 AM (iFTx/)
189
Guess who is operating the slave trade these days?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:45 AM (mhQkT)
Some very profitable non-profit organizations run by pharisees with charcoal suits and implausible teeth and hair.
(You were being rhetorical, weren't you?)
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:45 AM (mhQkT)
Some very profitable non-profit organizations run by pharisees with charcoal suits and implausible teeth and hair.
(You were being rhetorical, weren't you?)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:52 AM (9UlRk)
190
It was an outright neo-Confederate point of view, and he denied it.
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Maybe the answer is the Confederacy? At least you get to shoot Yankees.
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Maybe the answer is the Confederacy? At least you get to shoot Yankees.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:52 AM (mhQkT)
191
Pentagon military geniuses that planned Afghanistan so well, are now trying to manage Israel's war.
Posted by: runner
Pay the piper call the tune
Posted by: runner
Pay the piper call the tune
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:52 AM (Pjh4P)
192
111...I decided this in 1993 in (Horrific Civil War) when watching the USA enthusiastically back Islamic Terror over Orthodox Christianity.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (/BBNv)
You have committed the crime of "noticing," comrade.
Posted by: LenNeal at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (/BBNv)
You have committed the crime of "noticing," comrade.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at December 15, 2023 11:52 AM (Rbu5d)
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Pentagon military geniuses that planned Afghanistan so well, are now trying to manage Israel's war.
They got sweet contracting gigs and a bunch of Americans dead.
Mission accomplished.
They got sweet contracting gigs and a bunch of Americans dead.
Mission accomplished.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 15, 2023 11:52 AM (XqcwY)
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(Yes, I know I'm never going to get an answer, Intrepid, but I thought maybe I could give you some ammo.)
Posted by: pookysgirl, putting her Latin to good use at December 15, 2023 11:25 AM (dtlDP)
You were right -- you didn't get an answer.
(Yes, I know I'm never going to get an answer, Intrepid, but I thought maybe I could give you some ammo.)
Posted by: pookysgirl, putting her Latin to good use at December 15, 2023 11:25 AM (dtlDP)
You were right -- you didn't get an answer.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 15, 2023 11:52 AM (IBDwy)
195
Biden and Blinken sit at their desks and twiddle their thumbs while the Houthi's are encouraged to shoot more and more missiles at random shipping craft every day. What are they waiting for, a US warship to miss an intercept and actually get sunk before they do something?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:41 AM (i9ffA)
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I've been wondering why the world has not come together to put an end to this nonsense near the Red Sea for some time. The Suez Canal is one of THE most important shipping lanes in the entire world, drastically reducing the travel times for goods.
It's in the world's economic best interests to drop the hammer down on pirates and terrorists in the region with a follow-up: "Don't make us come back."
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:41 AM (i9ffA)
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I've been wondering why the world has not come together to put an end to this nonsense near the Red Sea for some time. The Suez Canal is one of THE most important shipping lanes in the entire world, drastically reducing the travel times for goods.
It's in the world's economic best interests to drop the hammer down on pirates and terrorists in the region with a follow-up: "Don't make us come back."
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 15, 2023 11:52 AM (7fElN)
196
@allinwithchris
"Part of the reason that people's perception the economy was 'good' in the Trump era...is that he constantly, unceasingly sledgehammered us over the head with propaganda about it," says @chrislhayes on the economic messaging of Trump vs. Biden.
Gee. Gas prices around $2 gallon. Inflation staying low. Record unemployment rates - especially for minorities. Governmental regulations were reducing (a new one required what 2 or three to go away). Trump put our enemies and our allies on notice. And best of all - no new wars.
I'll take the sledgehammered propaganda any day.
"Part of the reason that people's perception the economy was 'good' in the Trump era...is that he constantly, unceasingly sledgehammered us over the head with propaganda about it," says @chrislhayes on the economic messaging of Trump vs. Biden.
Gee. Gas prices around $2 gallon. Inflation staying low. Record unemployment rates - especially for minorities. Governmental regulations were reducing (a new one required what 2 or three to go away). Trump put our enemies and our allies on notice. And best of all - no new wars.
I'll take the sledgehammered propaganda any day.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (N39Ws)
197
It's in the world's economic best interests to drop the hammer down on pirates and terrorists in the region with a follow-up: "Don't make us come back."
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Chaos seems to be the plan.
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Chaos seems to be the plan.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (fs1hN)
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185 Here's what bothers me the most about this discussion. Gen Maddog Mattis, as Secretary of Defense, said publicly that America First is an un-American position.
I mean, I can't even.
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Mattis is a fag, you know?
I mean, I can't even.
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Mattis is a fag, you know?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (mhQkT)
199
The 2023 Federal budget was $6.13T. The three largest expenditures (excluding interest on the debt, which in 2023 is about $659B) were healthcare, SS, and defense. The Ukraine expenditure was $44B.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:31 AM (CsUN+)
The Joe Biden administration and the U.S. Congress have directed more than $75 billion in assistance to Ukraine...
...some $60 billion for Ukraine has become tied into contentious debates over border security and Israel.
All of which is just numbers which fails to point out a few things:
1. WE are responsible for the war. WE expanded NATO. WE pressured Ukraine to walk away from negotiations. WE (Biden) said that a little invasion would be totes fine.
2. Ukraine CANNOT win this war. The only thing that they can accomplish is dying to the last person so that Americans can puff their chests out and say "we showed Putin".
3. The ancillary fallout from all this is that, in addition to the damage being suffered domestically, we are losing the goodwill (what there ever was) of the entire planet.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:31 AM (CsUN+)
The Joe Biden administration and the U.S. Congress have directed more than $75 billion in assistance to Ukraine...
...some $60 billion for Ukraine has become tied into contentious debates over border security and Israel.
All of which is just numbers which fails to point out a few things:
1. WE are responsible for the war. WE expanded NATO. WE pressured Ukraine to walk away from negotiations. WE (Biden) said that a little invasion would be totes fine.
2. Ukraine CANNOT win this war. The only thing that they can accomplish is dying to the last person so that Americans can puff their chests out and say "we showed Putin".
3. The ancillary fallout from all this is that, in addition to the damage being suffered domestically, we are losing the goodwill (what there ever was) of the entire planet.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (GYIa4)
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114 Where are the "CEASE FIRE IN UKRAINE NOW!!!" peace marches?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (i9ffA)
An awful lot of "noticing" going on here...
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:35 AM (i9ffA)
An awful lot of "noticing" going on here...
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (Rbu5d)
201
It's a flippin' Winter Wonderland here. My clothesline looks like a catenary made of 2-inch white PVC pipe. Going to be limbs broken off trees, for sure.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (wvtRq)
202
Rudy Giuliani is being destroyed in Georgia. I have to wonder if some of this isn't also payback for turning NYC around and treating criminals as, well, criminals. Dems always hated him but had to hold their tongue for a while because what he was doing was obviously working. Plus led the city well after 9/11 Dems have long, hateful memories
Posted by: Ripley at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (JojsZ)
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196 @allinwithchris
"Part of the reason that people's perception the economy was 'good' in the Trump era...is that he constantly, unceasingly sledgehammered us over the head with propaganda about it," says @chrislhayes on the economic messaging of Trump vs. Biden.
Gee. Gas prices around $2 gallon. Inflation staying low. Record unemployment rates - especially for minorities. Governmental regulations were reducing (a new one required what 2 or three to go away). Trump put our enemies and our allies on notice. And best of all - no new wars.
I'll take the sledgehammered propaganda any day.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (N39Ws)
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The implication that Trump saying it on Twitter was more powerful than the combined powers of ABC, CBS, NBC, the NYT, WaPo, and the AP telling the people that the economy is good today.
Trump is magic.
"Part of the reason that people's perception the economy was 'good' in the Trump era...is that he constantly, unceasingly sledgehammered us over the head with propaganda about it," says @chrislhayes on the economic messaging of Trump vs. Biden.
Gee. Gas prices around $2 gallon. Inflation staying low. Record unemployment rates - especially for minorities. Governmental regulations were reducing (a new one required what 2 or three to go away). Trump put our enemies and our allies on notice. And best of all - no new wars.
I'll take the sledgehammered propaganda any day.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (N39Ws)
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The implication that Trump saying it on Twitter was more powerful than the combined powers of ABC, CBS, NBC, the NYT, WaPo, and the AP telling the people that the economy is good today.
Trump is magic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
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Just like code pink disappeared after Obama became president.
War is only bad when a republican is in office.
Cindy Sheehan, she of "absolute moral authority" didn't get the message and kept protesting after Obama was he elected.
He had her thrown in jail.
Last I saw she was writing articles to the effect of "Democrats are even worse then Republicans!" which is why the FNM doesn't talk about her any more
War is only bad when a republican is in office.
Cindy Sheehan, she of "absolute moral authority" didn't get the message and kept protesting after Obama was he elected.
He had her thrown in jail.
Last I saw she was writing articles to the effect of "Democrats are even worse then Republicans!" which is why the FNM doesn't talk about her any more
Posted by: 18-1 at December 15, 2023 11:54 AM (XqcwY)
Posted by: mikeski at December 15, 2023 11:54 AM (Tkn7x)
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All In with Chris Hayes
@allinwithchris
"Part of the reason that people's perception the economy was 'good' in the Trump era...is that he constantly, unceasingly sledgehammered us over the head with propaganda about it," says @chrislhayes on the economic messaging of Trump vs. Biden.
Gas in 2018 $2.69
Gas today $4.89
Fu*k you Hayes you dumbass.
@allinwithchris
"Part of the reason that people's perception the economy was 'good' in the Trump era...is that he constantly, unceasingly sledgehammered us over the head with propaganda about it," says @chrislhayes on the economic messaging of Trump vs. Biden.
Gas in 2018 $2.69
Gas today $4.89
Fu*k you Hayes you dumbass.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2023 11:54 AM (W/lyH)
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Pay the piper call the tune
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seriously doubt that "the tune" they want to hear is the sound of failure; best to stay out
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seriously doubt that "the tune" they want to hear is the sound of failure; best to stay out
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2023 11:55 AM (V13WU)
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181 It is interesting that they are using so many dumb bombs because that is much more dangerous for the idf guys that are nearby
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:50 AM (Pjh4P)
Yeah, no. The fact that about half the bombs dropped are "dumb" is staggering. Because that means they are using way more smart bombs than a standard U.S. engagement.
The propaganda is that U.S. only uses smart bombs but that is not true at all. Our numbers are much much lower. Probably closer to 10% smart bomb usage.
Also, Palestinian smart bomb usage is ZERO.
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:50 AM (Pjh4P)
Yeah, no. The fact that about half the bombs dropped are "dumb" is staggering. Because that means they are using way more smart bombs than a standard U.S. engagement.
The propaganda is that U.S. only uses smart bombs but that is not true at all. Our numbers are much much lower. Probably closer to 10% smart bomb usage.
Also, Palestinian smart bomb usage is ZERO.
Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2023 11:55 AM (U0X9X)
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I think there is a solid argument for giving Ukraine the funds. I don't have any issue with them degrading Russia, tying down their troops or showing them that invading sovereign territories under phony premises comes with a price. They marched into Crimea and nobody did a thing. The crap they did in Georgia and Chechnya didn't get much notice. They probably figured nobody would do anything if they marched into the Donbas and Ukraine. Welp. This is Purim's War and he's done this ever time his popularity slips. Now it's actually costing the Russian people. Maybe he'll think twice before doing it again. Also contrary to popular belief the Euros have stepped up funds and materials to the Uke's. So our funding, while needed actually isn't the bill. My issue is that if Congress wants to hand out money, they should take care of our priorities first.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:55 AM (xtg8y)
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Cindy Sheehan, she of "absolute moral authority" didn't get the message and kept protesting after Obama was he elected.
He had her thrown in jail.
Last I saw she was writing articles to the effect of "Democrats are even worse then Republicans!" which is why the FNM doesn't talk about her any more
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In retrospect, she might have been right about US getting involved in Iraq after 9/11. At least she's consistent.
He had her thrown in jail.
Last I saw she was writing articles to the effect of "Democrats are even worse then Republicans!" which is why the FNM doesn't talk about her any more
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In retrospect, she might have been right about US getting involved in Iraq after 9/11. At least she's consistent.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (fs1hN)
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181 It is interesting that they are using so many dumb bombs because that is much more dangerous for the idf guys that are nearby
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:50 AM (Pjh4P)
It's a myth that so-called "dumb bombs" can't be accurate; they can be very accurate, especially when there's no AA system to worry about. I imagine the only real objection of our deep state and defense industry is that Israel is using the low budget money saver bombs, rather than the value added high cost/high profit for the US Defense industry versions.
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:50 AM (Pjh4P)
It's a myth that so-called "dumb bombs" can't be accurate; they can be very accurate, especially when there's no AA system to worry about. I imagine the only real objection of our deep state and defense industry is that Israel is using the low budget money saver bombs, rather than the value added high cost/high profit for the US Defense industry versions.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (i9ffA)
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The deep state killed Kennedy.
Maybe.
The deep state took out Nixon and gave us Ford.
Nahh, Nixon was taken out by sheer hubris and stupidity. Once he found out about the break-in, he should have told his people to cut those idiots loose and prosecute them. His decision to try and buy them off instead was just stupid.
The deep state tried to take out Reagan.
Possibly with Iran/contra, but the deep state didn't have nearly as much power back then.
Oddly, the internet has made the deep state stronger b/c it allows them to control the news much more than they used to b/c the media does what the deep state says and the deep state censors any opposing information.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2023 11:51 AM (NYzgN)
Maybe.
The deep state took out Nixon and gave us Ford.
Nahh, Nixon was taken out by sheer hubris and stupidity. Once he found out about the break-in, he should have told his people to cut those idiots loose and prosecute them. His decision to try and buy them off instead was just stupid.
The deep state tried to take out Reagan.
Possibly with Iran/contra, but the deep state didn't have nearly as much power back then.
Oddly, the internet has made the deep state stronger b/c it allows them to control the news much more than they used to b/c the media does what the deep state says and the deep state censors any opposing information.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2023 11:51 AM (NYzgN)
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (ky+MF)
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seriously doubt that "the tune" they want to hear is the sound of failure; best to stay out
Posted by: runner
No reason to think Israel's deep state would be better than ours
seriously doubt that "the tune" they want to hear is the sound of failure; best to stay out
Posted by: runner
No reason to think Israel's deep state would be better than ours
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (Pjh4P)
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198 Mattis is a fag, you know?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (mhQkT)
When even the "Have a plan to kill everyone you meet" guy turns out to be a spineless pussy in the end, it explains a lot about why so many run their mouths about being badass warriors, but never do a damned thing.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (mhQkT)
When even the "Have a plan to kill everyone you meet" guy turns out to be a spineless pussy in the end, it explains a lot about why so many run their mouths about being badass warriors, but never do a damned thing.
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (sm6Pk)
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2. Ukraine CANNOT win this war. The only thing that they can accomplish is dying to the last person so that Americans can puff their chests out and say "we showed Putin"
One side goal of this war from DC is to get a lot of Uke men killed. That way the sex trafficking capital of the world will have a lot more women and girls to sell to our elites...
One side goal of this war from DC is to get a lot of Uke men killed. That way the sex trafficking capital of the world will have a lot more women and girls to sell to our elites...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (XqcwY)
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Has Chris Heyyyyy-s ever finished transitioning into Rachel Maddow?
I bet the meds are crushingly expensive.
I bet the meds are crushingly expensive.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (9UlRk)
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Is Chris Hayes the guy who looks like a low IQ thumb?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (hCt6Y)
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War is only bad when a republican is in office.
Posted by: I forgot my name
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I remember when the war in VN morphed into 'Nixon's War' per the media.
Posted by: I forgot my name
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I remember when the war in VN morphed into 'Nixon's War' per the media.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 15, 2023 11:57 AM (XeU6L)
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You don't give money to the local bum, when you can't pay your own bills.
It's no longer a simple question of should we do something... we literally cannot afford to.
It's no longer a simple question of should we do something... we literally cannot afford to.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 15, 2023 11:57 AM (xaFKb)
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they though they were very close to the '91 Yeltsin on a tank moment ; just shows how idiotic and uninformed the state department and the whole FP apparatus is; they have now clue how to read Russia, and Russians and the ruling apparatus, which is filled with Poles and Ukes. they have a very single minded approach....
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2023 11:57 AM (V13WU)
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it explains a lot about why so many run their mouths about being badass warriors, but never do a damned thing.
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (sm6Pk)
A king doesn't have to tell you he's the king.
A warrior doesn't have to tell you he's a warrior.
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (sm6Pk)
A king doesn't have to tell you he's the king.
A warrior doesn't have to tell you he's a warrior.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:57 AM (9UlRk)
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1 million dead, wounded and captured Ukrainians. Tens of thousands of Russians. All for nothing.
The OSoros State Dept. manipulated this war into existence by NATO Expansion and repudiating the Minsk Agreements. They did so for many evil reasons; to keep the Criminal Disneyland open, to loot our Treasury, Depopulation, the pipe dream of installing a puppet in Moscow, etc..
But the biggest reason we manufactured this war:
This Proxy War on Russia functions as a Proxy War on America. Everything about it is bad for America; the cost, the military drain, the loss of moral authority, BRICS and now we're learning the Economic Sanctions were not to keep Russia out but to box America in and institute Digital Tyranny here.
The War in Ukraine is, in reality, the Obama/Globalist War on America.
Fear not!
The OSoros State Dept. manipulated this war into existence by NATO Expansion and repudiating the Minsk Agreements. They did so for many evil reasons; to keep the Criminal Disneyland open, to loot our Treasury, Depopulation, the pipe dream of installing a puppet in Moscow, etc..
But the biggest reason we manufactured this war:
This Proxy War on Russia functions as a Proxy War on America. Everything about it is bad for America; the cost, the military drain, the loss of moral authority, BRICS and now we're learning the Economic Sanctions were not to keep Russia out but to box America in and institute Digital Tyranny here.
The War in Ukraine is, in reality, the Obama/Globalist War on America.
Fear not!
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (Ndje9)
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Who you gonna believe?
White House Says Hamas Doesn't Represent Palestinians, Palestinians Disagree
White House Says Hamas Doesn't Represent Palestinians, Palestinians Disagree
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (FVME7)
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I meant the foreign policy apparatus which is filled with poles and ukes.
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (V13WU)
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223 Who you gonna believe?
White House Says Hamas Doesn't Represent Palestinians, Palestinians Disagree
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (FVME7)
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Palestine elected Hamas. Technically, they definitely represent Palestine.
White House Says Hamas Doesn't Represent Palestinians, Palestinians Disagree
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (FVME7)
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Palestine elected Hamas. Technically, they definitely represent Palestine.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (GBKbO)
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This is Purim's War "
that's an amusing typo, maybe AIChatbot spellchecker did it. Because that's not an altogether wrong description of what's happening down in Israel.
that's an amusing typo, maybe AIChatbot spellchecker did it. Because that's not an altogether wrong description of what's happening down in Israel.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (i9ffA)
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The deep state took out Nixon and gave us Ford.
Nahh, Nixon was taken out by sheer hubris and stupidity. Once he found out about the break-in, he should have told his people to cut those idiots loose and prosecute them. His decision to try and buy them off instead was just stupid.
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Umm, Deep Throat was a Deputy Director of the FBI who was pissed at Nixon for not selecting him as Director.
Nahh, Nixon was taken out by sheer hubris and stupidity. Once he found out about the break-in, he should have told his people to cut those idiots loose and prosecute them. His decision to try and buy them off instead was just stupid.
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Umm, Deep Throat was a Deputy Director of the FBI who was pissed at Nixon for not selecting him as Director.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (mhQkT)
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206 Fu*k you Hayes you dumbass.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2023 11:54 AM (W/lyH)
It's better for _him_ because his wealthy ass sees more of everything on the shelf all for him now that nobody else can afford to buy anything.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 15, 2023 11:54 AM (W/lyH)
It's better for _him_ because his wealthy ass sees more of everything on the shelf all for him now that nobody else can afford to buy anything.
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (sm6Pk)
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Not good enough. it should be "confiscation, forfeiture", not impoundment. The buses should be crushed.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
Man, these people hate Chicago and think it's a deathtrap.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (GBKbO)
Obtain the addresses of those posters and drop their new "friends" off at their new abodes.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 15, 2023 11:14 AM (JCZqz)
Man, these people hate Chicago and think it's a deathtrap.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:16 AM (GBKbO)
Obtain the addresses of those posters and drop their new "friends" off at their new abodes.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (iODuv)
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It's a myth that so-called "dumb bombs" can't be accurate; they can be very accurate, especially when there's no AA system to worry about. I imagine the only real objection of our deep state and defense industry is that Israel is using the low budget money saver bombs, rather than the value added high cost/high profit for the US Defense industry versions.
I guess we no longer use dive bombers. Is that correct?
I guess we no longer use dive bombers. Is that correct?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (CsUN+)
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America too?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * scio te ipsum at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (9qEDG)
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3. The ancillary fallout from all this is that, in addition to the damage being suffered domestically, we are losing the goodwill (what there ever was) of the entire planet.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (GYIa4)
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In that sense, we may be forced into isolationism because we've squandered all of the goodwill we've built up. No one will want to deal with us because no one will trust us.
Good job, Dems! /sarc
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (GYIa4)
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In that sense, we may be forced into isolationism because we've squandered all of the goodwill we've built up. No one will want to deal with us because no one will trust us.
Good job, Dems! /sarc
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (7fElN)
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Is Chris Hayes the guy who looks like a low IQ thumb?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd
You're thinking of Tank Abrams.
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd
You're thinking of Tank Abrams.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (FVME7)
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When even the "Have a plan to kill everyone you meet" guy turns out to be a spineless pussy in the end, it explains a lot about why so many run their mouths about being badass warriors, but never do a damned thing.
Remember when the military brass went all out to court martial a medic who killed a jihadi after the solider tried to provide aid to said jihadi and was attacked for it?
If there was ever a sign the military has no interest in American lives that was it.
The guy only walked because another soldier got the military to give him immunity in return for his testimony and then HE said he killed the jihadi.
When even the "Have a plan to kill everyone you meet" guy turns out to be a spineless pussy in the end, it explains a lot about why so many run their mouths about being badass warriors, but never do a damned thing.
Remember when the military brass went all out to court martial a medic who killed a jihadi after the solider tried to provide aid to said jihadi and was attacked for it?
If there was ever a sign the military has no interest in American lives that was it.
The guy only walked because another soldier got the military to give him immunity in return for his testimony and then HE said he killed the jihadi.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (XqcwY)
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It's a myth that so-called "dumb bombs" can't be accurate; they can be very accurate, especially when there's no AA system to worry about. I imagine the only real objection of our deep state and defense industry is that Israel is using the low budget money saver bombs, rather than the value added high cost/high profit for the US Defense industry versions.
Posted by: Tom
That is true, but they are inherently not as accurate and that matters if they are not just trying to carpet bomb
They are not doing Cas with gbus
It's a myth that so-called "dumb bombs" can't be accurate; they can be very accurate, especially when there's no AA system to worry about. I imagine the only real objection of our deep state and defense industry is that Israel is using the low budget money saver bombs, rather than the value added high cost/high profit for the US Defense industry versions.
Posted by: Tom
That is true, but they are inherently not as accurate and that matters if they are not just trying to carpet bomb
They are not doing Cas with gbus
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (Pjh4P)
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216 Has Chris Heyyyyy-s ever finished transitioning into Rachel Maddow?
I bet the meds are crushingly expensive.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (9UlRk)
Maddow never finished transitioning into Keith Olbermann.
I bet the meds are crushingly expensive.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:56 AM (9UlRk)
Maddow never finished transitioning into Keith Olbermann.
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (sm6Pk)
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that invading sovereign territories under phony premises comes with a price.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:55 AM (xtg8y)
Now lets talk about Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan...
Oh... wait...
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 11:55 AM (xtg8y)
Now lets talk about Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan...
Oh... wait...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (xaFKb)
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SCOTUS seems to have given approval for states to ban the sale of AR-15s.
But from ISRA: "While the US Supreme Court chose not to intervene immediately on the two State level cases that have advanced to them recently, they did not make any rulings on the merits of those cases. Additionally, there are multiple Federal lawsuits likely headed to the Supreme Court regarding Illinois's ban on commonly owned firearms. The ISRA is a proud plaintiff in one of those suits and looks forward to having the Supreme Court weigh in on the multiple constitutional issues surrounding Governor Pritzker's banning and registering of commonly used firearms."
idk what this means ... sounds like the process is still proceeding?
But from ISRA: "While the US Supreme Court chose not to intervene immediately on the two State level cases that have advanced to them recently, they did not make any rulings on the merits of those cases. Additionally, there are multiple Federal lawsuits likely headed to the Supreme Court regarding Illinois's ban on commonly owned firearms. The ISRA is a proud plaintiff in one of those suits and looks forward to having the Supreme Court weigh in on the multiple constitutional issues surrounding Governor Pritzker's banning and registering of commonly used firearms."
idk what this means ... sounds like the process is still proceeding?
Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2023 12:01 PM (Cus5s)
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The War in Ukraine is, in reality, the Obama/Globalist War on America.
Germany sent the Ukes a bright pink tank with gay flags.
While I assume the Ukes repainted it before sending it to the front that little gift tells you everything you need to know about how the Western governments see this war...
Germany sent the Ukes a bright pink tank with gay flags.
While I assume the Ukes repainted it before sending it to the front that little gift tells you everything you need to know about how the Western governments see this war...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 15, 2023 12:01 PM (XqcwY)
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this is from CNN...who feeds unverified info to CNN.??..let me see *furrows brow , taps chin
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2023 12:01 PM (V13WU)
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It's in the world's economic best interests to drop the hammer down on pirates and terrorists in the region with a follow-up: "Don't make us come back."
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 15, 2023 11:52 AM (7fElN)
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This is the *only* way to do it, and is also why there is a strong correlation between the country that is able and willing to do it and the country that becomes the strongest and richest empire. Security of trade is the purpose of and mechanism for empire. The further away from home you can do it, the more powerful your empire becomes.
The Europeans figured this out more or less all at once and spent the next period fighting each other for supremacy. The English came out on top. Then we came out on top. If we're now failing to defend the seas against piracy - and we are - then we will not be an empire for long. This doesn't necessarily mean we get replaced - it could just fail and go back to regionalism and very expensive and risky trading - but it does mean we fall.
Every treaty, every dollar, ever diplomatic mission, etc. is based on the assumption that we guarantee security on the seas.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 15, 2023 11:52 AM (7fElN)
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This is the *only* way to do it, and is also why there is a strong correlation between the country that is able and willing to do it and the country that becomes the strongest and richest empire. Security of trade is the purpose of and mechanism for empire. The further away from home you can do it, the more powerful your empire becomes.
The Europeans figured this out more or less all at once and spent the next period fighting each other for supremacy. The English came out on top. Then we came out on top. If we're now failing to defend the seas against piracy - and we are - then we will not be an empire for long. This doesn't necessarily mean we get replaced - it could just fail and go back to regionalism and very expensive and risky trading - but it does mean we fall.
Every treaty, every dollar, ever diplomatic mission, etc. is based on the assumption that we guarantee security on the seas.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 15, 2023 12:01 PM (zxP/x)
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Umm, Deep Throat was a Deputy Director of the FBI who was pissed at Nixon for not selecting him as Director.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (mhQkT)
Yeah, but he was one guy and he wouldn't have had the ammo if Nixon didn't do something so monumentally stupid.
I mean, looking back on it, watergate is quaint. It's really a nothing burger. But, at the time- he should have known better.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (mhQkT)
Yeah, but he was one guy and he wouldn't have had the ammo if Nixon didn't do something so monumentally stupid.
I mean, looking back on it, watergate is quaint. It's really a nothing burger. But, at the time- he should have known better.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 12:02 PM (ky+MF)
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When other countries scream and shout
We turn our pockets inside out
We turn our pockets inside out
Posted by: Oglebay at December 15, 2023 12:02 PM (ogTiX)
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Imagine if you took all that money that is being sent overseas, and put it in the Social Security Lock Box.
Lower the retirement age to 55 and you would never lose another election.
Lower the retirement age to 55 and you would never lose another election.
Posted by: Kestrel.987 at December 15, 2023 12:02 PM (wyl5F)
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CNN has no idea what they're talking about. We haves provided separate JDAM packages for the dumb bombs. Plus they are also using the new SPICE guidance kits and loitering munitions.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2023 12:02 PM (xtg8y)
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Mattis' first paying gig after leaving the DoD was writing anti trump propaganda for the ChiComs.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2023 12:02 PM (NYzgN)
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Rarely comment here, but had to drop in and say this one really resonated with me. I'm stuck in between numbers 2 and 1 with no rational reason to think I should slide in any direction but towards number 1.
Posted by: Mikeyjm2 at December 15, 2023 12:02 PM (I8nLU)
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Hunter Biden’s Latest Ally is Congressman Who Slept With Chinese Spy
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What happened to "no.yellow"?
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What happened to "no.yellow"?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 12:02 PM (FVME7)
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Now lets talk about Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan...
Oh... wait...
Actually, how about Libya and Kosovo?
In both cases the president launched an illegal war (congress didn't vote for either conflict) on the pre-text that their governments were oppressing the citizens.
Oh... wait...
Actually, how about Libya and Kosovo?
In both cases the president launched an illegal war (congress didn't vote for either conflict) on the pre-text that their governments were oppressing the citizens.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 15, 2023 12:02 PM (XqcwY)
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SCOTUS seems to have given approval for states to ban the sale of AR-15s.
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I would like some experts to provide a definite, but that is what it looked like to an uniformed me...
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I would like some experts to provide a definite, but that is what it looked like to an uniformed me...
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2023 12:02 PM (V13WU)
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221 A warrior doesn't have to tell you he's a warrior.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:57 AM (9UlRk)
If a Badass Killer doesn't need recognition, they won't be offended when others imply they've never killed anyone.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 11:57 AM (9UlRk)
If a Badass Killer doesn't need recognition, they won't be offended when others imply they've never killed anyone.
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 12:02 PM (sm6Pk)
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238 idk what this means ... sounds like the process is still proceeding?
Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2023 12:01 PM (Cus5s)
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Seems like they feel that the issue isn't ripe, there are too many cases going around, and they're waiting for some resolution on the lower courts to make it known.
Considering Bruen, it seems unlikely that the ban will last long, especially considering the bunch of other cases in other jurisdictions that have gone in favor of gun owners in the past year.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2023 12:01 PM (Cus5s)
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Seems like they feel that the issue isn't ripe, there are too many cases going around, and they're waiting for some resolution on the lower courts to make it known.
Considering Bruen, it seems unlikely that the ban will last long, especially considering the bunch of other cases in other jurisdictions that have gone in favor of gun owners in the past year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 12:03 PM (GBKbO)
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Goatrapers understand brute force and power. That's it.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 15, 2023 12:03 PM (R4t5M)
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I feel like the deep state really got its sea legs and power starting under Clinton.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (ky+MF)
GHW Bush was a former head of the CIA and, as far as I can recall, the first person to use the phrase "new world order". Just sayin'.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (ky+MF)
GHW Bush was a former head of the CIA and, as far as I can recall, the first person to use the phrase "new world order". Just sayin'.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 12:03 PM (GYIa4)
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Hmmmm. Has Biden backed down?
"US and Israel discuss when to scale back Gaza combat but agree fight will take months, envoy says"
http://tinyurl.com/5x73fcsr
"US and Israel discuss when to scale back Gaza combat but agree fight will take months, envoy says"
http://tinyurl.com/5x73fcsr
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 15, 2023 12:03 PM (wtvvX)
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Palestine elected Hamas. Technically, they definitely represent Palestine.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (GBKbO)
The comical thing has been the White House trying to say that Abbas and Fatah should represent the Palestinians, when the Palestinians themselves say they despise them utterly. Abbas was "elected" in 2006, and he has blocked any new elections ever since then.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (GBKbO)
The comical thing has been the White House trying to say that Abbas and Fatah should represent the Palestinians, when the Palestinians themselves say they despise them utterly. Abbas was "elected" in 2006, and he has blocked any new elections ever since then.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 12:04 PM (i9ffA)
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Earn their way onto the list?
Well, as one who knows there isn't a single thing I could do to earn my way into God's book of life...
Quite possibly the hardest thing we're instructed to do,,,
Matthew 5:43-44
Well, as one who knows there isn't a single thing I could do to earn my way into God's book of life...
Quite possibly the hardest thing we're instructed to do,,,
Matthew 5:43-44
Posted by: Teej at December 15, 2023 12:04 PM (DW2aF)
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Bruen was pistols my friend, PISTOLS.
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2023 12:04 PM (V13WU)
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Gee. Gas prices around $2 gallon. Inflation staying low. Record unemployment rates - especially for minorities. Governmental regulations were reducing (a new one required what 2 or three to go away). Trump put our enemies and our allies on notice. And best of all - no new wars.
I'll take the sledgehammered propaganda any day.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (N39Ws)
I asked a liberal friend if he'd take the first three years of Trump-world or Biden-world. He didn't have an answer.
Gee. Gas prices around $2 gallon. Inflation staying low. Record unemployment rates - especially for minorities. Governmental regulations were reducing (a new one required what 2 or three to go away). Trump put our enemies and our allies on notice. And best of all - no new wars.
I'll take the sledgehammered propaganda any day.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2023 11:53 AM (N39Ws)
I asked a liberal friend if he'd take the first three years of Trump-world or Biden-world. He didn't have an answer.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at December 15, 2023 12:04 PM (IBDwy)
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But from ISRA: "While the US Supreme Court chose not to intervene immediately on the two State level cases that have advanced to them recently, they did not make any rulings on the merits of those cases. Additionally, there are multiple Federal lawsuits likely headed to the Supreme Court regarding Illinois's ban on commonly owned firearms. The ISRA is a proud plaintiff in one of those suits and looks forward to having the Supreme Court weigh in on the multiple constitutional issues surrounding Governor Pritzker's banning and registering of commonly used firearms."
idk what this means ... sounds like the process is still proceeding?
Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2023 12:01 PM (Cus5s)
SCOTUS just kicked the can down the road, they'll likely have to hear these cases eventually. I'm guessing they didn't want to step in right now so soon after other decisions b/c they are trying to protect their "legitimacy".
The problem with that thinking is that dems and the media (BIRM) only consider SCOTUS legitimate when it issues liberal decisions. So, they are just kicking the legitimacy issue down the road as well.
idk what this means ... sounds like the process is still proceeding?
Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2023 12:01 PM (Cus5s)
SCOTUS just kicked the can down the road, they'll likely have to hear these cases eventually. I'm guessing they didn't want to step in right now so soon after other decisions b/c they are trying to protect their "legitimacy".
The problem with that thinking is that dems and the media (BIRM) only consider SCOTUS legitimate when it issues liberal decisions. So, they are just kicking the legitimacy issue down the road as well.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 12:05 PM (ky+MF)
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2023 12:05 PM (9UlRk)
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253 Goatrapers understand brute force and power. That's it.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 15, 2023 12:03 PM (R4t5M)
Same with Demoncrats.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 15, 2023 12:03 PM (R4t5M)
Same with Demoncrats.
Posted by: XTC at December 15, 2023 12:05 PM (sm6Pk)
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And now I must fix something to eat.
Love each other fellow babies
Love each other fellow babies
Posted by: Teej at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (DW2aF)
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255 Hmmmm. Has Biden backed down?
"US and Israel discuss when to scale back Gaza combat but agree fight will take months, envoy says"
http://tinyurl.com/5x73fcsr
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 15, 2023 12:03 PM (wtvvX)
Biden had to back down, because his position was idiotic. All he's done is prove to the world that when anyone is willing to stand up to him, he and his administration will fold like a cheap lawn chair. This is the result when you have a weak, senile old man in a position of power.
"US and Israel discuss when to scale back Gaza combat but agree fight will take months, envoy says"
http://tinyurl.com/5x73fcsr
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 15, 2023 12:03 PM (wtvvX)
Biden had to back down, because his position was idiotic. All he's done is prove to the world that when anyone is willing to stand up to him, he and his administration will fold like a cheap lawn chair. This is the result when you have a weak, senile old man in a position of power.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (i9ffA)
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After Trashing Animated Original, Live-Action “Snow White” Star Rachel Zegler Now Claims “I Love Everything That the Disney Co. Has Put Out in the Past 100 Years”
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Prostrate yourself lower!
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Prostrate yourself lower!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (FVME7)
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True. However, IIRC, SCOTUS has a case now which could overturn Chevron, the decision that gave the bureaucracy a wink and a nod about making law. Assuming it's overturned, that would be absolutely huge.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (CsUN+)
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Apparently a ruling last year actually did it, but the new case is just going to make it explicit.
Not that, it seems, anyone has recognized it because the bureaucracy is completely out of control and will not be put back in its box.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:49 AM (GBKbO)
As long as Congress keeps increasing their funding and companies keep going along with their orders, does it really matter what SCOTUS says?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 11:47 AM (CsUN+)
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Apparently a ruling last year actually did it, but the new case is just going to make it explicit.
Not that, it seems, anyone has recognized it because the bureaucracy is completely out of control and will not be put back in its box.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 11:49 AM (GBKbO)
As long as Congress keeps increasing their funding and companies keep going along with their orders, does it really matter what SCOTUS says?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (GYIa4)
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CNN has no idea what they're talking about. We haves provided separate JDAM packages for the dumb bombs. Plus they are also using the new SPICE guidance kits and loitering munitions.
It's always a safe bet to assume CNN is either lying, or doesn't know what it's talking about, or both.
It's always a safe bet to assume CNN is either lying, or doesn't know what it's talking about, or both.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (CsUN+)
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Does Biden actually believe he's performed well and with integrity?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (hCt6Y)
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264 Biden had to back down, because his position was idiotic. All he's done is prove to the world that when anyone is willing to stand up to him, he and his administration will fold like a cheap lawn chair. This is the result when you have a weak, senile old man in a position of power.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (i9ffA)
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His administration is covering its ass because Bibi is simply not taking their "advice".
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (i9ffA)
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His administration is covering its ass because Bibi is simply not taking their "advice".
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (GBKbO)
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That is true, but they are inherently not as accurate and that matters if they are not just trying to carpet bomb
They are not doing Cas with gbus
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (Pjh4P)
Carpet bombing? Use of unguided bombs is not equivalent to carpet bombing.
They are not doing Cas with gbus
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (Pjh4P)
Carpet bombing? Use of unguided bombs is not equivalent to carpet bombing.
Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (U0X9X)
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242 Umm, Deep Throat was a Deputy Director of the FBI who was pissed at Nixon for not selecting him as Director.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (mhQkT)
Yeah, but he was one guy and he wouldn't have had the ammo if Nixon didn't do something so monumentally stupid.
I mean, looking back on it, watergate is quaint. It's really a nothing burger. But, at the time- he should have known better.
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You are missing the fact that a young Navy Lt, Intel, at the Pentagon, suddenly became a WAPO Investigative Reporter and reported what Deep Throat wanted reported. This required agreement with the NAVY and DOD.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 11:58 AM (mhQkT)
Yeah, but he was one guy and he wouldn't have had the ammo if Nixon didn't do something so monumentally stupid.
I mean, looking back on it, watergate is quaint. It's really a nothing burger. But, at the time- he should have known better.
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You are missing the fact that a young Navy Lt, Intel, at the Pentagon, suddenly became a WAPO Investigative Reporter and reported what Deep Throat wanted reported. This required agreement with the NAVY and DOD.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 12:07 PM (mhQkT)
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God Family Country... my thing.. the old ways are the best ways.
Posted by: tubal at December 15, 2023 12:07 PM (zjeEu)
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Prostrate yourself lower!
No, she has to have her butt up a little bit - I'm not as flexible as I used to be you know.
No, she has to have her butt up a little bit - I'm not as flexible as I used to be you know.
Posted by: Some Disney Producer at December 15, 2023 12:07 PM (XqcwY)
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It's not as if the IDF is dropping dumb munitions from 35k feet...these are close-in ground support attacks on fixed targets. Dumb munitions are just fine for that.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at December 15, 2023 12:07 PM (XMwZJ)
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266 As long as Congress keeps increasing their funding and companies keep going along with their orders, does it really matter what SCOTUS says?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (GYIa4)
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Not really.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (GYIa4)
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Not really.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at December 15, 2023 12:07 PM (GBKbO)
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War is only bad when a republican is in office.
Posted by: I forgot my name
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I remember when the war in VN morphed into 'Nixon's War' per the media.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Up until then it was
Hey hey LBJ
How many kids did you kill today
War is only bad when a republican is in office.
Posted by: I forgot my name
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I remember when the war in VN morphed into 'Nixon's War' per the media.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Up until then it was
Hey hey LBJ
How many kids did you kill today
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2023 12:07 PM (63Dwl)
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NOOD Clinton, you lucky dogs !
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2023 12:08 PM (V13WU)
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Excuse me, but isn't the phrase "new world order" printed on our money, in Latin?
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 15, 2023 12:08 PM (MeG8a)
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GHW Bush was a former head of the CIA and, as far as I can recall, the first person to use the phrase "new world order". Just sayin'.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 12:03 PM (GYIa4)
As I acknowledged - the deep state was always there to some extent. I just feel like it has grown in power and become willing to openly flex its muscle.
The deep state didn't need to act under GHWB b/c he was a solid uniparty member and what he did, the deep state wanted.
The first (and I think only) President to truly challenge the deep state was trump. So, it's hard to say how much power it had prior to that, but it "feels" like the deep state's power and influence grew with the growth and reach of the internet and with certain presidents helping give it more power (Clinton, Obama). W was a creature of the deep state also.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 15, 2023 12:03 PM (GYIa4)
As I acknowledged - the deep state was always there to some extent. I just feel like it has grown in power and become willing to openly flex its muscle.
The deep state didn't need to act under GHWB b/c he was a solid uniparty member and what he did, the deep state wanted.
The first (and I think only) President to truly challenge the deep state was trump. So, it's hard to say how much power it had prior to that, but it "feels" like the deep state's power and influence grew with the growth and reach of the internet and with certain presidents helping give it more power (Clinton, Obama). W was a creature of the deep state also.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 12:08 PM (ky+MF)
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Does Biden actually believe he's performed well and with integrity?
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd
Biden believes his 10 am shart is starting to stink and there's now shit in his shoe.
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd
Biden believes his 10 am shart is starting to stink and there's now shit in his shoe.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 15, 2023 12:08 PM (R4t5M)
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SCOTUS just kicked the can down the road, they'll likely have to hear these cases eventually. I'm guessing they didn't want to step in right now so soon after other decisions b/c they are trying to protect their "legitimacy".
The problem with that thinking is that dems and the media (BIRM) only consider SCOTUS legitimate when it issues liberal decisions. So, they are just kicking the legitimacy issue down the road as well.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 12:05 PM (ky+MF)
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It's kicking the can down the road because this protects the lives of the "bad" justices while placating the "good" justices who know that next time 'round, they're likely to get more "good" justicies.
The problem with that thinking is that dems and the media (BIRM) only consider SCOTUS legitimate when it issues liberal decisions. So, they are just kicking the legitimacy issue down the road as well.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 12:05 PM (ky+MF)
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It's kicking the can down the road because this protects the lives of the "bad" justices while placating the "good" justices who know that next time 'round, they're likely to get more "good" justicies.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 15, 2023 12:08 PM (zxP/x)
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267 CNN has no idea what they're talking about. We haves provided separate JDAM packages for the dumb bombs. Plus they are also using the new SPICE guidance kits and loitering munitions.
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Yep. JDAM is cheap and can be manufactured/procured pretty much anywhere. Dumb Bomb becomes precision weapon really quickly.
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Yep. JDAM is cheap and can be manufactured/procured pretty much anywhere. Dumb Bomb becomes precision weapon really quickly.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 12:09 PM (mhQkT)
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Carpet bombing? Use of unguided bombs is not equivalent to carpet bombing.
Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (U0X9X)
Israel should just duct-tape a copy of "Gaza On Five Dollars A Day" to each bomb. "Unguided? Hell, no!"
Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2023 12:06 PM (U0X9X)
Israel should just duct-tape a copy of "Gaza On Five Dollars A Day" to each bomb. "Unguided? Hell, no!"
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 15, 2023 12:10 PM (wvtRq)
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Geez, dude, tell me something I don't know.
UFC Star Blasts Lebron James Amid National Anthem Drama: “You’re a Spineless Coward and B**ch”
UFC Star Blasts Lebron James Amid National Anthem Drama: “You’re a Spineless Coward and B**ch”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 15, 2023 12:10 PM (FVME7)
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If we're now failing to defend the seas against piracy - and we are - then we will not be an empire for long.
We're not even defending against piracy in San Francisco Bay.
We're not even defending against piracy in San Francisco Bay.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 15, 2023 12:11 PM (dZVON)
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One has nothing to do with the other. Biden could stop the influx tomorrow, he just doesn't want to.
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I don't believe that Biden is bright enough to do anything significant on his own. He's just a sort of lame puppet, incompetant, not very bright, and easily manipulated by the powers that be. He has never been more than a very useful idiot.
Can you imagine anyone ever having had a meaningful, thoughtful discussion with him? He's just an example of a sewer trout that managed to swim upstream into political life, bright enough to engage in self-interest, but without true interest in well-being of the country.
Posted by: Archimedes
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I don't believe that Biden is bright enough to do anything significant on his own. He's just a sort of lame puppet, incompetant, not very bright, and easily manipulated by the powers that be. He has never been more than a very useful idiot.
Can you imagine anyone ever having had a meaningful, thoughtful discussion with him? He's just an example of a sewer trout that managed to swim upstream into political life, bright enough to engage in self-interest, but without true interest in well-being of the country.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 15, 2023 12:11 PM (XeU6L)
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You are missing the fact that a young Navy Lt, Intel, at the Pentagon, suddenly became a WAPO Investigative Reporter and reported what Deep Throat wanted reported. This required agreement with the NAVY and DOD.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 12:07 PM (mhQkT)
You forget that Nixon had to have done what he did for any of that to have happened. So, maybe we are both sort of correct. I don't see why the Deep state would want rid of Nixon though - he was doing the things they would have wanted - open up china to trade, the EPA, etc. Nixon was practically liberal compared to today's American conservatism. What policy did Nixon have that upset the deep state?
I think you are point more to a personal vendetta by deep throat than coordinated activity of the deep state.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 15, 2023 12:07 PM (mhQkT)
You forget that Nixon had to have done what he did for any of that to have happened. So, maybe we are both sort of correct. I don't see why the Deep state would want rid of Nixon though - he was doing the things they would have wanted - open up china to trade, the EPA, etc. Nixon was practically liberal compared to today's American conservatism. What policy did Nixon have that upset the deep state?
I think you are point more to a personal vendetta by deep throat than coordinated activity of the deep state.
Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at December 15, 2023 12:13 PM (ky+MF)
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Trump: we have gas prices $4, 5$, some places up to $8
Big mad libs: south Central Georgia has gas for $2.50.
Me: so gas doesn't cost those prices anywhere in the U.S.?
Big mad libs: Trump should be in jail for his lies and you are a Nazi for supporting him!
Big mad libs: south Central Georgia has gas for $2.50.
Me: so gas doesn't cost those prices anywhere in the U.S.?
Big mad libs: Trump should be in jail for his lies and you are a Nazi for supporting him!
Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2023 12:13 PM (U0X9X)
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It's a myth that so-called "dumb bombs" can't be accurate; they can be very accurate, especially when there's no AA system to worry about. I imagine the only real objection of our deep state and defense industry is that Israel is using the low budget money saver bombs, rather than the value added high cost/high profit for the US Defense industry versions.
Posted by: Tom
That is true, but they are inherently not as accurate and that matters if they are not just trying to carpet bomb
They are not doing Cas with gbus
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (Pjh4P)
Yes and no. DBs have a predictable ballistic arc so with a good launch point and accurate measurements, you are going to be close.
Smart bombs are always thrown long so they can guide down to the target. Without a motor, you can't add energy if you are falling short. So, if the guidance fails, you are going long.
Posted by: Tom
That is true, but they are inherently not as accurate and that matters if they are not just trying to carpet bomb
They are not doing Cas with gbus
Posted by: N at December 15, 2023 11:59 AM (Pjh4P)
Yes and no. DBs have a predictable ballistic arc so with a good launch point and accurate measurements, you are going to be close.
Smart bombs are always thrown long so they can guide down to the target. Without a motor, you can't add energy if you are falling short. So, if the guidance fails, you are going long.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 15, 2023 12:13 PM (aD39U)
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The comical thing has been the White House trying to say that Abbas and Fatah should represent the Palestinians, when the Palestinians themselves say they despise them utterly. Abbas was "elected" in 2006, and he has blocked any new elections ever since then.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Fatah participated in the Oct 7th carnage. Ain't going to happen. Abbas is a low grade politician who started from a deep hole after Arafat looted the treasury. He would relish the opportunity to be the new Palestinian whore.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Fatah participated in the Oct 7th carnage. Ain't going to happen. Abbas is a low grade politician who started from a deep hole after Arafat looted the treasury. He would relish the opportunity to be the new Palestinian whore.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * scio te ipsum at December 15, 2023 12:13 PM (9qEDG)
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"...basically, we need to be something different. We're NOT the cop, but if you fuck with our interests - i.e. trade, allies, freedom of movement, etc., we WILL come over and fuck your shit up and then leave and let you rebuild.
With a promise next time will be worse."
Yes...This!
Essentially the opposite of the Bush/Powell doctrine of "If you break it, you own it."
With a promise next time will be worse."
Yes...This!
Essentially the opposite of the Bush/Powell doctrine of "If you break it, you own it."
Posted by: hatethedeepstate at December 15, 2023 12:15 PM (dPTVt)
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Excellent thread BT.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * scio te ipsum at December 15, 2023 12:16 PM (9qEDG)
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Can we have "America At Least?"
Posted by: MichiCanuck at December 15, 2023 12:24 PM (UZ716)
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Great topic today, Buckster. You need to straighten yourself out first before rendering aid to others. Every. Single. Problem. we have has to do with the destruction of our national and moral selves.
America FIRST, indeed! It is truly devastating that a small minority in ALL of our institutions believes in this based on greed. I think the Bolsheviks numbered at 14,000 among a country of millions...
BTW - Greed is good, but shouldn't be ALL.
America FIRST, indeed! It is truly devastating that a small minority in ALL of our institutions believes in this based on greed. I think the Bolsheviks numbered at 14,000 among a country of millions...
BTW - Greed is good, but shouldn't be ALL.
Posted by: Danimal28 at December 15, 2023 12:25 PM (klw0w)
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Normally, I'd get upset and grumble about gibbets and crows; but they're all old enough they may die and go to hell in my lifetime.
God will supply the traitors more than enough punishment to satisfy us all.
We won't need to lift a finger.
Just look at the story of that Turkish politician.
God will supply the traitors more than enough punishment to satisfy us all.
We won't need to lift a finger.
Just look at the story of that Turkish politician.
Posted by: setnaffa at December 15, 2023 12:29 PM (jeNdr)
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Lead defense contractors bringing in the big bucks are almost identical, 1970s and now.
And while I hate seeing innocent citizens injured or killed, I just can't buy the U.S. so stinking heavily involved with Ukraine, short of BBB/infrastructure 'investments' and claiming control of the world's breadbasket.
And, the EU will do something to stir up the Balkans - again. Yay! UN Peacekeepers
And while I hate seeing innocent citizens injured or killed, I just can't buy the U.S. so stinking heavily involved with Ukraine, short of BBB/infrastructure 'investments' and claiming control of the world's breadbasket.
And, the EU will do something to stir up the Balkans - again. Yay! UN Peacekeepers
Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 15, 2023 12:32 PM (GshMh)
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Something that needs saying--you can squeak and moan about the current state of my country, but must realize that which has made us pre-eminent hasn't disappeared, but has been suborned by the left to the point of invisibility.
You should also realize that throughout our history we've met end prevailed over other issues even more serious than the present mess. And can point to an unbroken record of success. In fact, it's become our heritage to continue the struggle of our predecessors to ensure our Republic endures.
That struggle will continue.
You should also realize that throughout our history we've met end prevailed over other issues even more serious than the present mess. And can point to an unbroken record of success. In fact, it's become our heritage to continue the struggle of our predecessors to ensure our Republic endures.
That struggle will continue.
Posted by: irongrampa at December 15, 2023 12:33 PM (KATBx)
Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 15, 2023 12:46 PM (Ndje9)
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Dems will put a lid on the anti-semites and tell then to shut-up for a while. And Jews will still vote 80% Dem
Hear it all day. Mostly true, but how does it differ from Catholics, or Hungarians, or UAW members? I seldom hear such round goddamming for them, and they're at least as reliably Dem as the Jews are. You may need to broaden your horizon on this.
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Hear it all day. Mostly true, but how does it differ from Catholics, or Hungarians, or UAW members? I seldom hear such round goddamming for them, and they're at least as reliably Dem as the Jews are. You may need to broaden your horizon on this.
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America First? America Only?
How about something in the nature of free and open American international engagement, but only to the extent that American interests do not become dependent upon, or subservient to, the goodwill of any other nation? This includes not requiring ourselves to rely upon even our erstwhile allies, including Britain and Canada. Look at where they're headed....
How about something in the nature of free and open American international engagement, but only to the extent that American interests do not become dependent upon, or subservient to, the goodwill of any other nation? This includes not requiring ourselves to rely upon even our erstwhile allies, including Britain and Canada. Look at where they're headed....
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 15, 2023 02:43 PM (TOe+Q)
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America Only. Belligerent Isolationism is the only way forward that makes sense. State Department shall be resuced to a reactivated Uss Misouri and its crew, armed with nukes. Don't call us, we'll call you.
Posted by: JoshO at December 15, 2023 05:46 PM (o+SHc)
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"7 I like Dennis Prager and listen to his show every day but he has flat out stated that America MUST be the world's policeman. He says someone has to do it and do you want Russia or China to do it?"
We don't need to be the worlds policeman, we at most only need to be the world's Charles Bronson.
We don't need to be the worlds policeman, we at most only need to be the world's Charles Bronson.
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