The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

There is an argument that America should simply stay out of the Middle East; that our foreign entanglements are a burden...financially, militarily, socially, geopolitically. It is a tempting one to embrace because of our current financial and political woes.

In a perfect world that would be reasonable. The Middle East is a nasty and brutal part of the world, with ancient animosities that bubble up constantly and engulf everyone around them. So why not simply stay out of it and defend the most narrowly defined American interests: trade routes and our citizens.

But that argument fails all but the most cursory examination. Oil is the lifeblood of the world, and even if America were to be energy independent, its trading partners aren't. Without a powerful presence in the region, it would be difficult to protect those routes and people. And of course the 800 pound keffiya-clad terrorist in the room doesn't particularly care whether we are engaged or not...the creation of a worldwide caliphate is the goal of Islam (militant or not), and they have been pursuing that goal for a very long time. Pushing back against them, however hamhandedly, is in our long-term national interest.

But this argument also has a subtext, and that is the obvious antipathy toward Israel and Jews. It is difficult to take the isolationist philosophy seriously when it is trotted out only when the topic is support for Israel.

But the argument also fails in the context of protecting American citizens. Israel is the tip of the Western spear wielded against Islam's expansionist war, and its credo is clear that Israel is only the first domino to fall. So withdrawing support for Israel would merely hasten Islam's march on America. And let us not ignore the fact that our military association with Israel is a two-way street. We get intelligence, military technology, a secure place to base war materiel, and a stout and loyal ally.

Oh...and Israel is the only free country in the region. Perhaps support for such a country pays dividends in the fight against encroaching totalitarianism. Of course, we also support despotic dictators and countries whose behavior is an affront to freedom. But that is the world we live in. Consistency demands that if we withdraw from the region, we also withdraw our support for all of the bad actors in that region. At that point Israel would be far more able to defend itself on its own against its local enemies, although much of the world would be in the dark and cold, because Iran, Russia, China and a host of other nations would rush into the void and promptly throw the world into even more chaos than it currently endures.

Positing a minimally engaged America, and then suggesting that our support for Israel is misguided is simply thinly veiled anti-Semitism. We have allies throughout the world...should we abandon them? South Korea? Japan? Taiwan? Does anyone think that Taiwan...and the worldwide microprocessor industry...would survive a month without us? Could Korea withstand a North Korean artillery barrage that lasted three months? And Japan...against China or Russia or North Korea...could they ramp up domestic production and create a large standing army before they were inundated?

Yes; America should choose its allies more carefully. We are simply a checkbook for dozens of countries that are neutral at best and actively hostile at worst.

No; America should not abandon one of its most loyal allies simply because of the Jew-hate that is bubbling up everywhere in the post-modern world. To allow that to govern our geopolitical decisions will propel us down the same path that the world was on in the 1930s, and that is a very bad history to repeat.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:01 AM (krqg6)

2 Bold is lisping?

*makes notes*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:01 AM (zZu0s)

3 Bingo!

I'll call the otters.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:01 AM (krqg6)

4 Lunch soon

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2023 11:01 AM (DsA+u)

5 *ponders*

Correct!

Posted by: Amelia Van Buren at December 07, 2023 11:02 AM (vFG9F)

6 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)

7 My heart is almost bleeding fir Israel, every day reading and seeing the atrocities Hamas did yet. One surprise me knowing evil on military history.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (DsA+u)

8 Nicely put, CBD.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (u73oe)

9 One might also point out that Israel actually has a thriving private market that sells a vast array of goods and services.

I was surprised over a decade ago when a food additive we purchased for tomato sauce was produced in Israel.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (zZu0s)

10 willowed:

Belmont Stakes moving to Saratoga and being shortened from 1 1/2 to 1 1/4.
Posted by: BruceWayne

What reason was given for this "progress"?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 07, 2023 10:59 AM (xG4kz)

Belmont park is undergoing massive renovations I guess. But moving it to a track that cant accommodate the distance is retarded.
Posted by: BruceWayne

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (CIS44)

11 Excellent rant, CBD.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (V13WU)

12 No Moar Ghetto Wars. Enough.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (VlFBK)

13 Yes; America should choose its allies more carefully. We are simply a checkbook for dozens of countries that are neutral at best and actively hostile at worst.
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Turkey comes to mind.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (N39Ws)

14 Lunch soon
Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2023 11:01 AM (DsA+u)

Picked up some fresh sliced post oak smoked ham from HEB the other day. Oh my goodness it's good.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

15 So it is not like this is just a vast drain that we do not receive any benefit from.

Hell, Israel should be the poster child for the kind of country we DO do business with.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:04 AM (zZu0s)

16 Yes; America should choose its allies more carefully. We are simply a checkbook for dozens of countries that are neutral at best and actively hostile at worst.

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yes, exactly.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:04 AM (V13WU)

17 I agree in principle.
But what we need to do is ask all our “partners” to chip in in a couple of bucks for their protection.

Posted by: Montec at December 07, 2023 11:04 AM (WImRR)

18 Far more people would be supportive of involvement in the Middle East if our government showed the same deal in defending our own borders.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at December 07, 2023 11:05 AM (sX1BW)

19 No Moar Ghetto Wars. Enough.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (VlFBK)

can you explain this one ? I am not following what you are saying ?

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:05 AM (V13WU)

20
Belmont park is undergoing massive renovations I guess. But moving it to a track that cant accommodate the distance is retarded.
Posted by: BruceWayne
Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (CIS44)

Ah....yes. Facts not submitted, however, yes. It's really really stupid to not move to a temp venue that maintains the integrity of the prize sought.

We really aren't led in very many areas by Top. Men. are we........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)

21 Belmont park is undergoing massive renovations I guess. But moving it to a track that cant accommodate the distance is retarded.

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So for just a season or two or full time?

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at December 07, 2023 11:05 AM (sX1BW)

22 If we are going to hand out foreign aid like it grows on trees, can we at least consider redefining the relationship between the donor and the recipient? Perhaps as a liege lord?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 07, 2023 11:05 AM (N39Ws)

23 13 Yes; America should choose its allies more carefully. We are simply a checkbook for dozens of countries that are neutral at best and actively hostile at worst.
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Turkey comes to mind.
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I'd be okay with liberating Cypress, Cuba, Venezuela and Mexico. All these places have nice beaches and hawt chicks and cold beer.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:05 AM (VlFBK)

24 Belgian City Planned Black, Female Santa Who Railed Against Colonialism and Wore a "Palestinian" Flag

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She's making a list, checking it twice
Gonna find out who's Jewish or nice

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:05 AM (FVME7)

25 Secretariat's record may finally be broken.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at December 07, 2023 11:06 AM (sX1BW)

26 Israel Defense Forces @IDF 22h
Who stores RPG missiles, anti-tank missiles, explosive devices, long-range missiles, grenades and UAVs at a school and a medical facility in Gaza?

The answer: Hamas.

Hamas doesn’t hide their terrorism. Stop excusing it.

Israel Defense Forces @IDF 17h
36 years of terrorism, rejection of peace and incitement of violence by Hamas.

Hamas proved once and for all that if we do not stop them now, next time would be worse.

https://tinyurl.com/spa5b2xh
1:35 minute 'documentary'; loud narration.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:06 AM (krqg6)

27 And of course the 800 pound keffiya-clad terrorist in the room doesn't particularly care whether we are engaged or not...the creation of a worldwide caliphate is the goal of Islam (militant or not), and they have been pursuing that goal for a very long time.

Ooops! There's that pesky colonizing shit! Funny how what the muzzies claim Israel is doing is what they've tried to do for 800 years.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:06 AM (hS7lz)

28 Well, fuck me. Seem to be willowed almost every thread this week:

Miss Amelia Van Buren is bored
Our did someone say something untoward
About her kittens five
Of which, four are alive
With one roasting inside a butternut gourd.

Yes, I've suffered for my art. Now it's your turn.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 07, 2023 11:06 AM (QzZeQ)

29 Yes; America should choose its allies more carefully. We are simply a checkbook for dozens of countries that are neutral at best and actively hostile at worst.

It's why the EU should be funding the 'war in Ukraine' as it affects them a HELL of a lot more it does us, unless the only thing important to us is money laundering.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:06 AM (Zz0t1)

30 Very rationally put. The tendencies of some towards isolationism grate on my nerves. One other thing the isolationist crowd doesn’t get is that the enemy gets a vote.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 07, 2023 11:06 AM (MVSM6)

31 All horsed are drugged up for endurance.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:07 AM (V13WU)

32 Breaking the power of the mullahs in Iran is key. How infuriating that that seems to be the one country that Obama and his political heirs are desperate to placate.

Posted by: Paco at December 07, 2023 11:07 AM (njExo)

33 I think the bigger problem isn't "where we get involved" but how we get involved.

Right now we fund Israel, and Egypt, and Jordan and on an on.

And we use that leverage here to stop Israel from winning the conflict in a permanent manner.

Well...if we aren't going to let Israel win...why bother giving them money at all?

And the ironic thing if you gave Israel free reign to remove Hamas you could then in turn...stop funding them.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:07 AM (XqcwY)

34 We protect Korea and Japan and they turn around and thank us with ridiculous tariffs on American products.

We really are the world’s biggest sucker as well as the worlds policeman.

Posted by: Montec at December 07, 2023 11:08 AM (WImRR)

35 17 I agree in principle.
But what we need to do is ask all our “partners” to chip in in a couple of bucks for their protection.
Posted by: Montec at December 07, 2023 11:04 AM (WImRR)

The UK does this. Even France (!) and Poland. Japan pays for all the facilities we use there.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 07, 2023 11:08 AM (MVSM6)

36 and its credo is clear that Israel is only the first domino to fall

Yep - when the wokesters denounce the Israelis for being "colonialist settlers on stolen land" - well, they think the same about us.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:08 AM (YAtuc)

37 So for just a season or two or full time?
Posted by: SH

It appears to be temporary, but dont see anything that confirms that.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:08 AM (CIS44)

38 Breaking the power of the mullahs in Iran is key. How infuriating that that seems to be the one country that Obama and his political heirs are desperate to placate.
Posted by: Paco

They're a vehicle for unleashing hell. Which is what they want.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 07, 2023 11:08 AM (R4t5M)

39 19 No Moar Ghetto Wars. Enough.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (VlFBK)

can you explain this one ? I am not following what you are saying ?
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We import a ghetto and then spend money on ghetto issues, here and abroad, all to grift the Americans. See the Biden Model of Success. AKA Obama and Clinton Model of Success.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:08 AM (VlFBK)

40 Positing a minimally engaged America, and then suggesting that our support for Israel is misguided is simply thinly veiled anti-Semitism.

Yeah, no. There are plenty of people who think we can just withdraw from the world and it'll all be fine. Antisemitism need not be invoked.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:08 AM (I/Qkd)

41 Nicely written CBD.

Amazing that such a concise and undeniably true statement cannot be read and taken to heart by every public servant (!) at State Dept.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2023 11:08 AM (sTg9F)

42 I'd be okay with liberating Cypress, Cuba, Venezuela and Mexico. All these places have nice beaches and hawt chicks and cold beer.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:05 AM (VlFBK)

Cypress?....Cypress Springs?

Posted by: BignJames at December 07, 2023 11:09 AM (AwYPR)

43 ok, Pudinhead. now I understand.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:09 AM (V13WU)

44 It's why the EU should be funding the 'war in Ukraine' as it affects them a HELL of a lot more it does us, unless the only thing important to us is money laundering.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden a

Well by god I think you've stumbled onto something!

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:09 AM (CIS44)

45 25 Secretariat's record may finally be broken.
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John Kerry hardest hit??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:09 AM (krqg6)

46 Very well written CBD, you made all of the best arguments well. We should support them because it is right, not simply because it is in our best interests; BUT those who say it is not in our Best Interests are deluded about what our Best Interests actually are.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:10 AM (kAYNz)

47 We protect Korea and Japan and they turn around and thank us with ridiculous tariffs on American products.

Overall I'd like to see the US government moving back to primarily funding itself through tariffs.

This would require dramatic cut backs in spending and countries like Korea and Japan would have to take over 100% of their own defense...but there is no reason they can't do that now anyway

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:10 AM (XqcwY)

48 Well...if we aren't going to let Israel win...why bother giving them money at all?

And the ironic thing if you gave Israel free reign to remove Hamas you could then in turn...stop funding them.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:07 AM (XqcwY)

It's a valid point: what does Israel get out of the bargain?

Guarantee of protection? at the extremity of the question? Maybe. Sort of.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:10 AM (zZu0s)

49
The UK does this. Even France (!) and Poland. Japan pays for all the facilities we use there.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 07, 2023 11:08 AM (MVSM6)

Do they pay the salaries American servicemen and women stationed there? The cost to maintain equipment there? Transportation costs back and forth?

Posted by: Montec at December 07, 2023 11:10 AM (WImRR)

50 I like what senator Kennedy from Louisiana had to say on foreign aid

Why do we continue to send money to countries that hate us? Seems to me that they can hate us for free.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 07, 2023 11:10 AM (u73oe)

51 Where are the marchers for "CEASE FIRE IN UKRAINE NOW!" ????

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:11 AM (kAYNz)

52 >>It's why the EU should be funding the 'war in Ukraine' as it affects them a HELL of a lot more it does us, unless the only thing important to us is money laundering.

It's a lot more than just money laundering.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2023 11:11 AM (ZLI7S)

53 The US gov is the problem all over. We are hampering Israel as I type.

The US gov is full of globalists. It's why Russia is hated, and Hungary as well. The powers that be already got to that Italian leader, Italy is out of the target box.

Posted by: DOYLE at December 07, 2023 11:11 AM (Z8Yh2)

54 Overall I'd like to see the US government moving back to primarily funding itself through tariffs.

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Tariffs and whiskey are the best way to fund a government.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at December 07, 2023 11:11 AM (sX1BW)

55 Israel should become an American Commonwealth as is Puerto Rico.

Posted by: Heartless Aztec at December 07, 2023 11:11 AM (g8SCx)

56 I am a bit of an isolationist although I'm aware that it's not realistic in the long run. I just wish that our government was fanatical about defending our borders first. Once we have stability there, we can worry about other people.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 07, 2023 11:11 AM (4olE8)

57 It's a valid point: what does Israel get out of the bargain?

I really just take it as "never say no to free money". Its the same reason Fedgov can snap most states into doing whatever they want with even really small amounts of money.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:11 AM (XqcwY)

58 Why do we continue to send money to countries that hate us? Seems to me that they can hate us for free.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

Like the rich kid throwing his money around to make friends.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:12 AM (CIS44)

59 I advocate for the Middle East an arms-length engagement that supports Israel on the foundation of "don't make me come down there/rubble don't make trouble" -- and then *carry it out* as circumstances warrant.

Might have to do it twice, but I bet it's two generations before a third would be needed.

Posted by: Rowsdower Believes Ray Epps is a Fed and Ashli Bennett is Crispus Attucks at December 07, 2023 11:12 AM (Yvzx0)

60 Like the rich kid throwing his money around to make friends.

A lot of pro-athletes do this. And then they find when the money ends with their career that very few of those friends were actually real.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:13 AM (XqcwY)

61 Just another one of the white colonialist Jews killed in combat a couple of days ago:

Feleke’s family made aliya to Israel from Ethiopia in 2004 and lived for a year in an absorption center in Beersheba. From there, they moved to Bat Yam, where Feleke graduated from a yeshiva high school. The family moved to Kiryat Gat four years ago.

While volunteering with the fire and rescue service and guiding in the Bnei Akiva youth movement, Feleke participated in a program that combined Torah study with preparation for army service. He followed that up with additional Torah study in Safed.

According to his brother, Feleke wanted to be drafted into the Commando Brigade but did not initially make it. He was accepted by the paratroopers, and when he tried out again for the Commando Brigade, he made it into the elite Duvdevan unit.

“He had recently finished the training course for that and received a company excellence award. He was supposed to go to officers’ training, but because of the war that got delayed and he stayed where he was to fight,” his brother Noam says.

Good luck defeating a country that has people like that.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:13 AM (YAtuc)

62 Oh...and Israel is the only free country in the region. Perhaps support for such a country pays dividends in the fight against encroaching totalitarianism. Of course, we also support despotic dictators and countries whose behavior is an affront to freedom. But that is the world we live in.

Ukraine is far more democratic than the encroaching totalitarian country which invaded it.

We have allies throughout the world...should we abandon them? South Korea? Japan? Taiwan? Does anyone think that Taiwan...and the worldwide microprocessor industry...would survive a month without us? Could Korea withstand a North Korean artillery barrage that lasted three months? And Japan...against China or Russia or North Korea...could they ramp up domestic production and create a large standing army before they were inundated?

You avoided mentioning Ukraine, but the same arguments apply.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:13 AM (I/Qkd)

63 I really just take it as "never say no to free money". Its the same reason Fedgov can snap most states into doing whatever they want with even really small amounts of money.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:11 AM (XqcwY)

Part of this hits me like this: I do not think we really have any idea how much we spend on anything. I think there are so many gifts, programs and sinecures that no one can possibly keep track.

Stop everything. Then, blank sheet approach. Case by case basis. Justify everything. Show your work.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:14 AM (zZu0s)

64 Our involvement in the middle east out to be the similar to what Jefferson had with our first involvement with the barbaric Musselmen:

Mess with our interests and we blockade/embargo.

Keep messing and we'll destroy your capital/ associated leaders.

Continue to do so and we'll move on to the next city.

We don't have the backbone to do it, though.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 07, 2023 11:14 AM (N1tpc)

65 Except for Israel, I cannot think of any other nation in the ME I would want to be an 'ally'. Trade with? Yes. Ally with and give aid to? Nope. Being a muslim based government is an automatic disqualifier.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 07, 2023 11:14 AM (YRsIm)

66 Very rationally put. The tendencies of some towards isolationism grate on my. One other thing the isolationist crowd doesn’t get is that the enemy gets a vote.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

This has always been one of my beefs with the Libertarians. "Leave them alone, and they'll leave us alone." Yeah, sure.

Libertarians stink at foreign policy.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:14 AM (JrojV)

67
Part of this hits me like this: I do not think we really have any idea how much we spend on anything. I think there are so many gifts, programs and sinecures that no one can possibly keep track.

Stop everything. Then, blank sheet approach. Case by case basis. Justify everything. Show your work.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Jo

You mean a hammer doesn't cost 10,000$?

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:14 AM (CIS44)

68 But oppression, colonialism, genocide, apartheid!!!

And everything Israel says is a lie!

Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 07, 2023 11:15 AM (j/KaK)

69 Remember we already conquered Mexico once. And then our Generals and others looked around at what we'd just won and said "oh HELL no! We're outta here!"
Arguably the smartest foreign policy decision America ever made.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:15 AM (kAYNz)

70 It's why the EU should be funding the 'war in Ukraine' as it affects them a HELL of a lot more it does us, unless the only thing important to us is money laundering.

It's a lot more than just money laundering.
Posted by: JackStraw

Buman trafficking.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:15 AM (hS7lz)

71 >>Ukraine is far more democratic than the encroaching totalitarian country which invaded it.

I'd say the differences are pretty small and shrinking.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2023 11:15 AM (ZLI7S)

72 I have yet to hear or see one person who does not advocate for complete withdrawal from the world, that at some point is shown to be a poorly disguised antisemite (Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan). The mask eventually slips off. and that is because complete dis-engagement was cute before WWII, but now it's nonsensical, detached from reality and comes from a world view that is colored in antisemitic tropes. That said, regime changes are a corrupt foreign policy tool. WIth few exceptions. Like Iran.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:16 AM (V13WU)

73 You mean a hammer doesn't cost 10,000$?
Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:14 AM (CIS44)

That's it exactly- because no one knows where the money comes from or goes, they do not see it as a value object.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:16 AM (zZu0s)

74 Stop everything. Then, blank sheet approach. Case by case basis. Justify everything. Show your work.

A lot of our black ops stuff is hidden in those numbers too.

The $10K hammer really cost $2 but the $9998 went to buying weapons for an ops team in country...or buying kids for an oligarch...or whatever the hell the Nat Sec people need.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:16 AM (XqcwY)

75 Or, and it's looking like Hamas "fighters" are starting to surrender en masse to the IDF.

No mas!

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:16 AM (YAtuc)

76 The irony is not lost on a lot of people that the alleged principles we are offered as a pretext for American involvement are not respected when it comes to our own affairs. Democrats are a living example, especially when they proffer sovereignty and individual rights as their casus belli, in places like Ukraine while attacking those values at home.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2023 11:17 AM (8u1Ia)

77 Buman trafficking.
Posted by: rickb223

Buman heings?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:17 AM (JrojV)

78 Or, and it's looking like Hamas "fighters" are starting to surrender en masse to the IDF.

No mas!
Posted by: The ARC of History! at

I say do not accept surrender, put a bullet in em. cheaper and easier.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:17 AM (CIS44)

79 71 >>Ukraine is far more democratic than the encroaching totalitarian country which invaded it.

I'd say the differences are pretty small and shrinking.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2023 11:15 AM (ZLI7S)

They completely suspended both elections and the opposition party.

That statement is kind of retarded on it's face.

Asshole v asshole is still asshole.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:17 AM (zZu0s)

80 Very rationally put. The tendencies of some towards isolationism grate on my. One other thing the isolationist crowd doesn’t get is that the enemy gets a vote.

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I think most people are not arguing for complete isolationism, but more than what we have. We have never been truly isolationist. The Monroe Doctrine set forth what seemed like a reasonable structure. Plus this was coupled with British control over the seas enabling free trade (for the most part). We have assumed their role in that regard, but arguably expanded on it.

Again, I think arguments for being the world's police force would be a lot easier sell if we were willing to secure our own borders.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at December 07, 2023 11:18 AM (sX1BW)

81 I just wish that our government was fanatical about defending our borders first.

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there is no money to be made there ! how are we gonna get that cheap labor and voters !

unfortunate , but that is where I think Rs can be very strong, and show that both can be done.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:18 AM (V13WU)

82 Or, and it's looking like Hamas "fighters" are starting to surrender en masse to the IDF.

Do you have a source for that? Not being argumentative, I'd just like to read it.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:18 AM (I/Qkd)

83 Cypress?....Cypress Springs?
Posted by: BignJames at December 07, 2023 11:09 AM

*sigh*

Cyprus.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2023 11:18 AM (aQy7p)

84 You mean a hammer doesn't cost 10,000$?
Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:14 AM (CIS44)

Well, if you want high quality, you gotta pay for it.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi at December 07, 2023 11:18 AM (JrojV)

85 News in Israel: Son of Gad Eisencot, former IDF COS, killed in N. Gaza fighting.

I wonder whether his father has learned any lessons now.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 07, 2023 11:19 AM (zutzM)

86 Remember we already conquered Mexico once. And then our Generals and others looked around at what we'd just won and said "oh HELL no! We're outta here!"
Arguably the smartest foreign policy decision America ever made.
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Yeah, because having all that oil and beachfront property was stupid.

Returning Mexico to Mexico was one of the stupidest things we did.
Right up there with giving away the Panama canal.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 07, 2023 11:19 AM (IpqjR)

87 Ukraine is far more democratic than the encroaching totalitarian country which invaded it.

Yeah, the country that has banned most opposition parties, including the second largest political parties, and is not going to have elections "for the duration of the war".

As the Z-Man put it, the Ukrainian people demanded that the elections be canceled.

At least Russia still pretends to have elections.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:19 AM (YAtuc)

88 Flood all the tunnels. There are stragglers down there.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 07, 2023 11:19 AM (R4t5M)

89 Returning Mexico to Mexico was one of the stupidest things we did.
Right up there with giving away the Panama canal.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice -

Hey now, we sold that....for a buck.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:19 AM (CIS44)

90 I just wish that our government was fanatical about defending our borders first.

It's not an either/or. Trump had effectively solved the problem, for virtually no money. Had he been allowed to complete the wall, we'd no longer be discussing this.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:19 AM (I/Qkd)

91 My ideal foreign policy is we have no entanglements anywhere. But we send the word out that you mess with us or any of our Allies,expect a large chunk of your capital city to be reduced to rubble within 48 hours.

Posted by: Montec at December 07, 2023 11:20 AM (WImRR)

92 72 I have yet to hear or see one person who does not advocate for complete withdrawal from the world, that at some point is shown to be a poorly disguised antisemite (Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan). The mask eventually slips off. and that is because complete dis-engagement was cute before WWII, but now it's nonsensical, detached from reality and comes from a world view that is colored in antisemitic tropes. That said, regime changes are a corrupt foreign policy tool. WIth few exceptions. Like Iran.
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:16 AM (V13WU)

That's silly. Isolationist may be a lot of things (shortsighted, silly, completely naïve) but it does not equal anti-Semite, automatically.

There are plenty of globalists who seem to be pretty hard core anti-Semites, but I do not make the mistake and think that the two are the same thing always.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:20 AM (zZu0s)

93 Belmont park is undergoing massive renovations I guess. But moving it to a track that cant accommodate the distance is retarded.
Posted by: BruceWayne
Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:03 AM (CIS44)

The track is an endless oval, right? Just move the finish line another quarter-mile around the track.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2023 11:20 AM (8XyI8)

94 It's not an either/or. Trump had effectively solved the problem, for virtually no money. Had he been allowed to complete the wall, we'd no longer be discussing this.
Posted by: Archimedes at

bullshit, a wall doesnt stop people from flooding in through ports of entry and getting released into the country, as is the biden policy.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (CIS44)

95 "Democratic" Ukraine just cancelled elections. Because war ! doncha know! For some reason Israel, which is also at war for its life, is going to hold election fairly soon.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (V13WU)

96 We protect Korea and Japan and they turn around and thank us with ridiculous tariffs on American products.

Overall I'd like to see the US government moving back to primarily funding itself through tariffs.

This would require dramatic cut backs in spending and countries like Korea and Japan would have to take over 100% of their own defense...but there is no reason they can't do that now anyway
Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:10 AM (XqcwY)

Well, Japan funds the American bases and buys a shitload of our worthless cash bonds, and generally supports us on most all of our international endeavors.

I'd say that we don't have a better ally in the world than Japan.

The day is coming though when we will have to choose between our frank enemy, China and our staunch ally, Japan.

As stupid as it seems, I believe China's "Make Bribes, Not War" foreign policy will when out esp if the Dims are in power., and we'll stand aside like powerless ducks as China gobbles the world.

Change the details a bit, islam, oil, etc and the same applies to Israel.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (QzZeQ)

97 I would submit to you that Jews would be far better off without the United States which backstabs Israel every time it avers "total, unconditional support".

How the world must hate our lying asses. I don't blame them. "Leader of the free world" my aunt's grandmother.

Posted by: creeper at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (cTCuP)

98 It's not an either/or. Trump had effectively solved the problem, for virtually no money. Had he been allowed to complete the wall, we'd no longer be discussing this.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:19 AM (I/Qkd)

There could be a 100 ft tall wall on the entire border and it wouldn’t matter. Illegals are walking in at border crossings under Biden.

Posted by: Montec at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (WImRR)

99 >>Buman trafficking.

We've been essentially running Ukraine for years. We didn't just topple a government, install our own and then walk away.

None of the bullshit reasons being given to try and justify the enormous amount of money we are spending to prop up Ukraine against Putin are true. At the start of the war most people couldn't find Ukraine on a map and then within a matter of weeks it became one of the most important issue in many people's lives complete with flag emojis. We went from a Russia EASY button and Obama saying he would have more flexibility dealing with Putin after his reelection to Russia being evil incarnate.

It's all psyops and nobody does it like our corrupt intel community.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (ZLI7S)

100 Ukraine Support Tracker
https://tinyurl.com/yemzbm49

I'd quote it but it has one of those anti-copying software things that doesn't allow highlighting and copying of text.

EU total is the highest.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (krqg6)

101 Returning Mexico to Mexico was one of the stupidest things we did.
Right up there with giving away the Panama canal.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator

Hard disagree. There's no way that country could have been integrated into our system. And pretty soon we'd all be hablaing espanol.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (JrojV)

102 that was supposed to be "at war , and for its life" not and. Ukraine is not in the same war as Israel.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (V13WU)

103 The track is an endless oval, right? Just move the finish line another quarter-mile around the track.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

The starting gate is on the track. cant make a full loop.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (CIS44)

104
When out = win out

Stupid brain.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 07, 2023 11:22 AM (QzZeQ)

105 At least Russia still pretends to have elections.

Asked and answered. Ukraine knows that admission to the EU and NATO, which they desperately desire, depends on them having a democratic government. If the war ended tomorrow with Russian withdrawal, they'd have elections.

France didn't have elections during WWII. Should we have walked away from them?

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:22 AM (I/Qkd)

106 They're rubbing our noses in it.

Pennsylvania School Board President Sworn In On Pornographic Book Depicting Naked Teen Boys, Satanic Bible Apparently Not Available

https://tinyurl.com/3feu7m3r

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:22 AM (FVME7)

107 Do you have a source for that? Not being argumentative, I'd just like to read it.

Times of Israel, two hours ago:

Several clips filmed in Gaza uploaded onto social media over the last several hours show how the IDF has rounded up dozens of Palestinians — said in Hebrew media reports to be possible Hamas suspects — who have surrendered themselves to Israeli troops in Jabaliya and other areas in the northern Strip.

The young Palestinian men are seen stripped down to their underwear, blindfolded and with their hands tied behind their backs.

In one clip, a group of them are seen being transported in the back of an Israeli military vehicle.

The IDF has not yet commented on the apparent mass arrests.

There are pictures.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:22 AM (YAtuc)

108 The track is an endless oval, right? Just move the finish line another quarter-mile around the track.
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Genius!

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:22 AM (ntk8v)

109 Heh! If you think completing the wall is gonna stop the flow of drugs and other contraband across the border, you're gonna be sadly surprised. Now that control has been ceded to the cartels, restoration of control is gonna require bloodshed and destruction.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 07, 2023 11:22 AM (YRsIm)

110 Buman heings?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Damn fat thumb.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:22 AM (hS7lz)

111 Critics of the new Italian leader don't understand how weak the Italian Government, and by extension its leader, really is. They've spent decades handing over governing duties to the EU, for example Italy now has no controls over immigration, the EU controls that.
The Italian Government is more like a glorified town council than anything else, with about as much authority.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:22 AM (kAYNz)

112 We protect Korea and Japan and they turn around and thank us with ridiculous tariffs on American products.

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But then we steal their best baseball players, and they allow our worst players to continue their careers in Japan and Korea.

So not all bad.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at December 07, 2023 11:23 AM (sX1BW)

113 France didn't have elections during WWII. Should we have walked away from them?
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Just stay upwind of them is smart thing to do.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:23 AM (ntk8v)

114 That statement is kind of retarded on it's face.

That's silly. Isolationist may be a lot of things (shortsighted, silly, completely naïve) but it does not equal anti-Semite, automatically.

Silly and retarded? Man, it's a bad day to disagree with you.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:23 AM (I/Qkd)

115 In one clip, a group of them are seen being transported in the back of an Israeli military vehicle.

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maybe they can't swim...

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:23 AM (V13WU)

116
The starting gate is on the track. cant make a full loop.
Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (CIS44)

Isn’t it mobile? It can be moved out of the way.

Posted by: Montec at December 07, 2023 11:23 AM (WImRR)

117 Hard disagree. There's no way that country could have been integrated into our system. And pretty soon we'd all be hablaing espanol.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (JrojV)

In the 1850s? I'd say it could have been done if someone had put their shoulder into the wheel.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:24 AM (zZu0s)

118 Times of Israel, two hours ago:

Several clips filmed in Gaza uploaded onto social media over the last several hours show how the IDF has rounded up dozens of Palestinians — said in Hebrew media reports to be possible Hamas suspects — who have surrendered themselves to Israeli troops in Jabaliya and other areas in the northern Strip.

The young Palestinian men are seen stripped down to their underwear, blindfolded and with their hands tied behind their backs.

Now. Shoot them in the head.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:24 AM (hS7lz)

119 Isn’t it mobile? It can be moved out of the way.
Posted by: Montec at

not in time

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:24 AM (CIS44)

120 I frankly don't have any issue with degrading Russia by using Ukraine as an instrument. Every time Putin needed to boost his popularity he invaded under the pretext of protecting Russian citizens- which he insidiously flooded into those regions. As long as Russia has existed they've used this tactic. When they invaded Crimea, the world fundamentally did zero, and that encouraged Russia into further grabs and the Caucuses situation. I would have preferred we just starved them out by flooding the oil market and driving their economy into the ground- which is what Trump was doing. But Democrats had to attack our entire energy infrastructure and so the small minded idiots went the Ukraine route. By the way, "losing" Ukraine now will only encourage the Russians further and with China they will double down on trying to destroy us.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 07, 2023 11:24 AM (8u1Ia)

121 If the war ended tomorrow with Russian withdrawal, they'd have elections.

Uh, huh. Sure they would.

Would they allow the second largest political party (which represents the interests of Russian-speakers) to participate, or nah?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:25 AM (YAtuc)

122 The young Palestinian men are seen stripped down to their underwear, blindfolded and with their hands tied behind their backs.

Now. Shoot them in the head.
Posted by: rickb223

That's a terrible thing to say!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 07, 2023 11:25 AM (R4t5M)

123 Isolationists always talk about aid to Israel 11!!. But never bring up , as CBD said, much of anything else.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:25 AM (V13WU)

124 Agree completely, CBD. Very well stated

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2023 11:25 AM (ixCnf)

125 Mind as sharp as a Nerf tack.

Biden Pushes Ban on “Assault Weapons” Following UNLV Handgun Attack

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (FVME7)

126 Speirs Treatment may be warrented. Smoke and a 45 pill to prisoners.

Posted by: DOYLE at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (Z8Yh2)

127 "Democratic" Ukraine just cancelled elections. Because war ! doncha know! For some reason Israel, which is also at war for its life, is going to hold election fairly soon.

Russia has 3.5x the population, a much larger economy, and nukes, and invaded with a regular army. Hamas is a bunch of illiterate savages with rifles and rockets made from water pipe.

Yeah, exactly the same.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (I/Qkd)

128 No; America should not abandon one of its most loyal allies simply because of the Jew-hate that is bubbling up everywhere in the post-modern world.

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At least White House interns aren't demanding that they be allowed to decide & dictate foreign policy.

Wait, wut?

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (uHfuq)

129 "Peace through Strength"

But we are burning through our weapons without getting the big wins, including the $85B gifting to terrorists in Afghanistan, and ~$115B in Ukraine (a war Biden started with pushing NATO in Ukraine).

We need alliances with the most pro-Western values we can find ... the Quad+ in SW Pacific, Israel and others in ME, and to some extent we should have had detente with Russia (against China).

But the globalists see The West as their biggest threat. So our battle is against them, and they (including our own CIA/FBI already recognizes White Christian family as their biggest enemy ... they put us on their terror list to allow extraordinary measures against us.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (Cus5s)

130 Silly and retarded? Man, it's a bad day to disagree with you.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:23 AM (I/Qkd)

Heh. I'M not calling for anyone to be banned for it though.

In a mood. Customer and corporate are arguing over work my guys have already done and no one will answer a simple question I have: is there more material out there?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (zZu0s)

131 Chicago looks at Ukraine’s corruption and is in awe.

Posted by: Montec at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (WImRR)

132 Biden Pushes Ban on “Assault Weapons” Following UNLV Handgun Attack
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Ab

never let facts get in the way of a naked power grab.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (CIS44)

133 Show me an Isolationist that is just pure theoretician, and has no animosity toward Jews. Please , I am all ears.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (V13WU)

134 Investigators in New Mexico created a fake account for a seventh-grade girl named "Issa Bee," complete with AI-generated photos of her. Issa quickly attracted "thousands of adult followers who deluged her with both invitations to join private chat groups and sex content featuring both children and adults," according to the Wall Street Journal.

With allegedly no effective safeguards in place to prevent child exploitation, this week New Mexico Attorney General Raul Torrez filed suit against Meta — the parent company of both social media platforms — alleging that the company "has allowed Facebook and Instagram to become a marketplace for predators in search of children upon whom to prey."

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (RHGPo)

135 I was going to remark about those prisoner pics from Khan Younis! Discussion has been pretty hilarious.
Hamas supporters: "this just shows how Israel loves to strip off children's clothes and abuse them!"
Response: "umm, a lot of those "children" have potbellies, and receding hairlines, and some weigh close to 300 lbs."

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:27 AM (kAYNz)

136 126 Speirs Treatment may be warrented. Smoke and a 45 pill to prisoners.
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Sadly, we carry 9mm's now.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:27 AM (ntk8v)

137 The young Palestinian men are seen stripped down to their underwear, blindfolded and with their hands tied behind their backs.

Now. Shoot them in the head.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:24 AM (hS7lz)
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No. Humiliate them until they die of shame. They will never know Paradise that way, according to their own beliefs.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 07, 2023 11:27 AM (7fElN)

138 The young Palestinian men are seen stripped down to their underwear, blindfolded and with their hands tied behind their backs.

Now. Shoot them in the head.
Posted by: rickb223

That's a terrible thing to say!
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

Don't want none? Don't start none.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:27 AM (hS7lz)

139 Now it can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2023 11:27 AM (DsA+u)

140 Mad Liberals @mad_liberals 15h
Observe these three sequential ballots, each double-scanned, from a certain county. They placed 260 ballots in a scanner and fed them into a ballot reader.

For people who know what I'm talking about, what do you see?

(And no, not Fulton)

Jeff Fulgham @jeffmfulgham 14h Replying to @mad_liberals
The offsets rotate identically with each duplicate pair.

Brick Suit @Brick_Suit 14h Replying to @mad_liberals
I see ballot shenanigans in Georgia.

The relative orientation (angle, placement) of each pair appears identical.

Mad Liberals @mad_liberals 11h
Here's a better and longer example of how a bulk scanner would read random ballots, versus the double-scanned ballots.
https://is.gd/rFN4NC
1:23 minutes

Mad Liberals @mad_liberals 10h
I don’t think anyone is understanding how monumental this is...

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:28 AM (krqg6)

141 Now it can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip

What are you making for us?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:28 AM (JrojV)

142 Brick Suit @Brick_Suit 9h Replying to @mad_liberals
Ok. I'll bite.

Possible software duplication of ballot batchs.

Assume you have a stack of ballots that can be defined as a batch.

You run the batch through the scanner once and you will generate an image for every ballot. Each image will have a random variation in the positioning and alignment of the QR code due to minute differences in how each ballot was printed and/or fed through the scanner. The batch as a whole now has a unique "signature" in the form of where those QR codes are located on the ballot images in the batch.

Now if you were to feed that same batch of ballots through the scanner a second time, the alignment and position of the QR code on each ballot in the second bstch would still be different than the first batch even though you are scanning the very same ballots. This would be due to tiny random variations in how each ballot gets fed into the scanner. So even though you scanned the same ballots, the second rescanned batch would have a different QR code location "signature" than the first. [more at link]
https://is.gd/a9gvk4

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:28 AM (krqg6)

143 Would they allow the second largest political party (which represents the interests of Russian-speakers) to participate, or nah?

You mean like we did immediately after the end of the Civil War?

During the 1865–1877 Reconstruction period, southern men who had fought as soldiers of the Confederate Army or served as civil servants of the Confederate Government, both state and national, were allowed to vote IF they swore the Oath of Allegiance to the United States.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:28 AM (I/Qkd)

144
Now. Shoot them in the head.
Posted by: rickb223

Can't we find other Muzzies to rape them near to death first?

Tat for tit - as it were.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2023 11:28 AM (sTg9F)

145

Buman heings?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:17 AM (JrojV)

You asked for it.......

https://youtu.be/Br7v0Av6rok

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:28 AM (Zz0t1)

146 That's a terrible thing to say!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 07, 2023 11:25 AM (R4t5M)

No. It's not. They're not troops of an army fighting under the rules of the Geneva Convention, they're terrorists. They can and should be summarily executed.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 07, 2023 11:29 AM (YRsIm)

147 Russia has 3.5x the population, a much larger economy, and nukes, and invaded with a regular army. Hamas is a bunch of illiterate savages with rifles and rockets made from water pipe.

Yeah, exactly the same.

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Hamas, Iran , Hezbollah, Yemen. Ukraine is not a democracy, it's a fig leaf for a sclerotic, corrupt , post-Soviet satellite that needs a sugar daddy, like a EU or US, because democratic institutions never took hold. Oligarchy did.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:29 AM (V13WU)

148 123 Isolationists always talk about aid to Israel 11!!. But never bring up , as CBD said, much of anything else.
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:25 AM (V13WU)

Hell, I have heard isolationists here saying Iraq was a mistake back in the day. Honestly, wrt the Iraq boondoggle, in hindsight, there arguments were probably right.

Iraq, Africa, Hell even Japan when there have been training accidents or with Korea when that guy went secret squirrel(defected to NorKo.) It pops up and someone says 'what are we doing?' Now, this is a pretty cosmopolitan blog, but the voices are there and very, very rarely do they couple those comments by railing against 'the Jews' or saying ace has a Jewish version of Patreon set up (still trying to think of a good name.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:29 AM (zZu0s)

149 Biden Pushes Ban on “Assault Weapons” Following UNLV Handgun Attack
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Ab

.. when the next person dies of diabetes, will Biden insist that all foods with sugars, including HFCS, like ice cream be banned ?
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I turned in my gun to help fight gun violence
Did you cut your dick off to help fight rape ?

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2023 11:30 AM (RHGPo)

150 "War is the health of the state"

If Randolph Bourne were writing "The State" today, the paper's most famous phrase wouldn't be in the text.

Posted by: Oglebay at December 07, 2023 11:30 AM (ogTiX)

151 The starting gate is on the track. cant make a full loop.
Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM (CIS44)

Turn it into a NASCAR track, then.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2023 11:30 AM (8XyI8)

152 Our world affairs should follow the empire model:

Conquer those who make trouble.
Appoint a military viceroy to ensue the taxes are collected to reimburse us for the trouble.
Otherwise, ignore them unless they cause more trouble.
Auction Letters of Marque to deal with pirates and low-level troublemakers in the provinces.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 07, 2023 11:31 AM (IpqjR)

153
EU total is the highest.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:21 AM

In percentage of GDP.

Seems.....fuzzy.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:31 AM (Zz0t1)

154 Adam Carolla: “Every Mainstream Media Narrative … Has Been Wrong”

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But who's counting?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:31 AM (FVME7)

155 The Palestinian Chiccharone. Wrap goatraper in pig skin. Flamethrow vigoursly. Dump body in ditch filled with pig shit. Cover. No paradise. No hairy virgins. Fuck you.

All done.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 07, 2023 11:31 AM (R4t5M)

156 Buman? Buman? Buman? Buman? Buman?

Posted by: Ben Stein at December 07, 2023 11:31 AM (DZrNt)

157 During the 1865–1877 Reconstruction period, southern men who had fought as soldiers of the Confederate Army or served as civil servants of the Confederate Government, both state and national, were allowed to vote IF they swore the Oath of Allegiance to the United States.
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No Confederates were allowed to hold office. Thus the Klan was created.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:32 AM (ntk8v)

158 >> By the way, "losing" Ukraine now will only encourage the Russians further and with China they will double down on trying to destroy us.

I see no indication this is true. In fact, the reason this idiotic war happened in the first place is because we, NATO, broke our promise to Russia constantly and kept expanding NATO eastward.

Putin knows exactly what we did in Ukraine to topple the government in 2014 which is why he took Crimea and the world did squat. He knows we were planning to invite Ukraine into NATO because we started telling the world in 2008 we would along with Georgia which he also invaded.

Under Trump that globalist push eastward stopped for 4 years and when Trump started to look into the corruption in Ukraine they impeached him over CIA created lies.

Why the hell do we even still have NATO? Last I looked the USSR still doesn't exist. Two things can be true, Putin can be a bad guy and so can the morons running our foreign policy.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2023 11:32 AM (ZLI7S)

159
The young Palestinian men are seen stripped down to their underwear, blindfolded and with their hands tied behind their backs.

Seems a natural action considering their primary source of destruction in the public space is suicide bombing.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:33 AM (Zz0t1)

160 Damn. I didn't think I needed a snark tag.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 07, 2023 11:33 AM (R4t5M)

161 Overall I'd like to see the US government moving back to primarily funding itself through tariffs.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:10 AM (XqcwY)

We completely agree!

Posted by: Messieurs Smoot & Hawley at December 07, 2023 11:33 AM (DVHYB)

162 Why the hell do we even still have NATO? Last I looked the USSR still doesn't exist. Two things can be true, Putin can be a bad guy and so can the morons running our foreign policy.
Posted by: JackStraw

does not compute, NPC download says russia=bad, ukraine=good.

*system malfunction*

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:33 AM (CIS44)

163 But in an interesting twist, former First Lady Melania Trump is pushing for her husband to select former Fox News host and X/Twitter star Tucker Carlson. Moreover, she would reportedly be willing to campaign cross-country for the ticket.

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2023 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

164 Putin knows exactly what we did in Ukraine to topple the government in 2014 which is why he took Crimea and the world did squat.

Crimea is a dagger pointed at the heart of...?

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:34 AM (I/Qkd)

165 Allies are good to have, commerce, military coordination, travel destinations

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2023 11:34 AM (DsA+u)

166 >>With allegedly no effective safeguards in place to prevent child exploitation, this week New Mexico Attorney General Raul Torrez filed suit against Meta — the parent company of both social media platforms — alleging that the company "has allowed Facebook and Instagram to become a marketplace for predators in search of children upon whom to prey."

After the dramatic changes made by Elon by firing head of Safety and Security Yael whatshisname + blocking of well-known pedo/child trafficking hashtags/key words, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that the passive voice and weak verb ("allowed") deployed here are doing a lot to cover up what's really been going on at Meta.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2023 11:34 AM (izj35)

167 France didn't have elections during WWII. Should we have walked away from them?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:22 AM (I/Qkd)

Heh. It's fun to watch you twist yourself into impossible pretzels to shill for the Uke Junta imposed by Kalorama.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2023 11:34 AM (8XyI8)

168 Remember, when Hamas talks about how many "children" Israel has killed, they include young men of military age.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:34 AM (YAtuc)

169 133 Show me an Isolationist that is just pure theoretician, and has no animosity toward Jews. Please , I am all ears.
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (V13WU)

Well there was that Ted Kascinski guy who lived in a cabin in the woods. I don't think he hated jews any more than he hated everyone else.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:34 AM (kAYNz)

170 133 Show me an Isolationist that is just pure theoretician, and has no animosity toward Jews. Please , I am all ears.
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:26 AM (V13WU)

Not everything you disagree with or even people you argue with HAS to be anti-Semitic. I make the joke about communists all the time, but not all evil springs from that font.

Plus, there's the argument of definition. I do not think anyone is arguing we should go full Japan and try to close off the society completely, it usually has more to do with an anti-adventurism streak than it does a true isolationist bent.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:35 AM (zZu0s)

171 164 Putin knows exactly what we did in Ukraine to topple the government in 2014 which is why he took Crimea and the world did squat.

Crimea is a dagger pointed at the heart of...?
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He has Odessa, now. Guess who rules Black Sea Barter Town?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:35 AM (ntk8v)

172 Remember, when Hamas talks about how many "children" Israel has killed, they include young men of military age.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at De

79 kajillion at last count I believe.

Posted by: BruceWayne at December 07, 2023 11:35 AM (CIS44)

173 But in an interesting twist, former First Lady Melania Trump is pushing for her husband to select former Fox News host and X/Twitter star Tucker Carlson. Moreover, she would reportedly be willing to campaign cross-country for the ticket.
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2023 11:34 AM (RHGPo)

How long until the left suggests she's banging Tucker?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:35 AM (Zz0t1)

174 >>The young Palestinian men are seen stripped down to their underwear, blindfolded and with their hands tied behind their backs.

"And. . .?"
-- Nayib Bukele

Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2023 11:35 AM (izj35)

175 Yeah, because fucking Sweden wants to conquer Russia. Everyone wants to conquer the best place in the world.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:36 AM (krqg6)

176 Biden Admin Will Likely Delay Ban on Menthol Cigarettes, Potential Anger from Black Voters Cited as a Reason

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Well, I knew it wasn't his respect for individual liberty.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:36 AM (FVME7)

177
Would they allow the second largest political party (which represents the interests of Russian-speakers) to participate, or nah?

Well...their semi-open plan is to kill/kick out those people from their lands so..."no" would be the short answer

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:36 AM (XqcwY)

178 France didn't have elections during WWII. Should we have walked away from them?
Posted by: Archimedes

*Adopts Zombie Jack Benny pose*

"I'm thinking!!"

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2023 11:36 AM (sTg9F)

179 -- Nayib Bukele

My favorite Palestinian.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:36 AM (YAtuc)

180 Why the hell do we even still have NATO? Last I looked the USSR still doesn't exist.

Posted by: JackStraw

Cash. Cow.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:37 AM (Zz0t1)

181 I see no indication this is true. In fact, the reason this idiotic war happened in the first place is because we, NATO, broke our promise to Russia constantly and kept expanding NATO eastward.

There is real disagreement as to what promises were made, and whether those purported to have made them (Baker) even had the authority to do so (assuming they were made). Furthermore, the putative promises concerned East Germany, not other Eastern European states.

https://tinyurl.com/ye2662v9

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:37 AM (I/Qkd)

182 Elections threaten democracy!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:37 AM (FVME7)

183 But in an interesting twist, former First Lady Melania Trump is pushing for her husband to select former Fox News host and X/Twitter star Tucker Carlson. Moreover, she would reportedly be willing to campaign cross-country for the ticket.
Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2023

***
Select TC for what? VP?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 07, 2023 11:38 AM (J2vNu)

184 Agree with Sponge, I wouldn't trust one not to be a suicide bomber.

And I would be fine with Tucker as VP

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2023 11:38 AM (DsA+u)

185 America’s media and political class is analyzing, debating, and shaping a narrative in Gaza that’s entirely different from the one being discussed in Israeli media. This gap, born from casual racism, deliberate credulity, and reflexive alignment with the US government’s party line, is creating a media failure...

Israel is engaging in massive population transfers and attempting to depopulate Gaza, and everything it does must be understood through this lens...to remove over 1 million people form North Gaza into refugee camps in South Gaza.

American media continued to frame every Israeli Defense Forces action...as part of some elaborate “hunt for Hamas.” The most prominent example is the weeks-long build up to Israel’s “raid” of al-Shifa hospital in mid-November.

Hamas fighters no doubt attacked the Israeli military convoy as it made its way to the hospital, but the reports heavily implying there was a shooting coming from inside the hospital were incorrect.

We have mounds of evidence, increasing by the day, of a policy of collective punishment and collective guilt. Those calling the shots in US media should start updating their framing of this conflict accordingly.

Posted by: Intercepted The Nation Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 07, 2023 11:38 AM (JCZqz)

186 At this point, I feel the isolationist position is more right than wrong.

Isolationists would have a harder time justifying a surveillance state.

But we are just daydreaming here. That ship has long sailed.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 07, 2023 11:38 AM (xcxpd)

187 Angry Palestinians Blame Hamas Leader for Their Fate

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That's funny. He doesn't look Jewish.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:39 AM (FVME7)

188 He has Odessa, now. Guess who rules Black Sea Barter Town?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:35 AM (ntk8v)

Odessa tomorrow, Lisbon in two weeks!!!

Posted by: Overt60 at December 07, 2023 11:39 AM (DVHYB)

189 Well...their semi-open plan is to kill/kick out those people from their lands so..."no" would be the short answer

As well as banning all Russian culture in Ukraine.

This is because Pushkin and Tolstoy are responsible for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, or something.

And don't get me started on Tchaikovsky!

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:39 AM (YAtuc)

190 Why would Tucker Carlson want to be VP candidate? I like him and think he’s a smart man, but he has more reach with his broadcasts.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2023 11:39 AM (a4PG0)

191 Heh. It's fun to watch you twist yourself into impossible pretzels to shill for the Uke Junta imposed by Kalorama.

Got an answer or is name calling about it?

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:39 AM (I/Qkd)

192 Adam Carolla: “Every Mainstream Media Narrative … Has Been Wrong”

Then: If we just give Ukraine a little more money Zelensky will be banging Russian hookers and snorting coke in the Kremlin in 3 months

Now: If we don't give Ukraine a ton more money NOW Zelensky is going to have to bang hookers and snort coke in DC...only...from now on.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:39 AM (XqcwY)

193 Putin knows exactly what we did in Ukraine to topple the government in 2014 which is why he took Crimea and the world did squat.

Crimea is a dagger pointed at the heart of...?
---------------
He has Odessa, now. Guess who rules Black Sea Barter Town?

I don't know what that means.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:39 AM (I/Qkd)

194 Oil is the lifeblood of the world, and even if America were to be energy independent, its trading partners aren't.

Oil is the lifeblood of the dollar, by design.

Posted by: Zombie Henry Kissinger at December 07, 2023 11:39 AM (HjfVN)

195 Not everything you disagree with or even people you argue with HAS to be anti-Semitic. I make the joke about communists all the time, but not all evil springs from that font.

Plus, there's the argument of definition. I do not think anyone is arguing we should go full Japan and try to close off the society completely, it usually has more to do with an anti-adventurism streak than it does a true isolationist bent.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:35 AM (zZu0s)

I asked for a name. Not the general arguments. Many people came out agains Iraq, but thought that something else was OK. Like Taiwan. Or Georgia and Armenia.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:40 AM (V13WU)

196 Putin knows exactly what we did in Ukraine to topple the government i

The only reason Ukraine had the Crimea to begin with is because Khrushchev gave it to them in the 50s. This idea that the Crimea is ancient Ukrainian territory is ridiculous.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:40 AM (JrojV)

197 Whole Mars Catalog @WholeMarsBlog Dec 6
Sponsored by the Walt Disney Corporation:
CNBC @CNBC Dec 6
Facebook and Instagram content enabled child sexual abuse, trafficking: New Mexico lawsuit cnbc.com/2023/12/06/facebook...

Elon Musk @elonmusk 1h
Bob Eiger thinks it’s cool to advertise next to child exploitation material. Real stand up guy.

Natalie F Danelishen @Chesschick01 1h
Why hasn't Disney fired that guy yet?

Elon Musk @elonmusk 57m Replying to @Chesschick01
He should be fired immediately.

Walt Disney is turning in his grave over what Bob has done to his company.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:40 AM (krqg6)

198 Angry Palestinians Blame Hamas Leader for Their Fate

Elections have consequences, bitchez!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:40 AM (hS7lz)

199 Hard disagree. There's no way that country could have been integrated into our system. And pretty soon we'd all be hablaing espanol.
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You mean the United States whose founders seriously debated naming Spanish as the official language?

Don't let the current state of Mexico cloud the reality that it was a fully European colony well on the modernization track but for the socialism siren song.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 07, 2023 11:40 AM (IpqjR)

200 I would argue that it is very much in the US interest to keep a country such as Egypt as an ally, even if they are not a very good one. Reason: Egypt holds an incredibly strategic position in the world (always has, that's why it's always been important) and it has caused a lot of trouble over the past century. Currently they have a military dictator, al-Sisi, who keeps a tight lid on all the crazies for his own safeties sake. I argue that is the *highest* form of government that a place like Egypt can ever hope for, and it is very much in our interest to see that he and his government stay in power.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:40 AM (kAYNz)

201 But in an interesting twist, former First Lady Melania Trump is pushing for her husband to select former Fox News host and X/Twitter star Tucker Carlson. Moreover, she would reportedly be willing to campaign cross-country for the ticket.
Posted by: SMOD

Worth it just for the Calson /Kamala debate.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:41 AM (FVME7)

202 The only reason Ukraine had the Crimea to begin with is because Khrushchev gave it to them in the 50s. This idea that the Crimea is ancient Ukrainian territory is ridiculous.

I see. So any government can take any land they want under the "I had my fingers crossed behind my back" clause.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:41 AM (I/Qkd)

203 At this point, I feel the isolationist position is more right than wrong.

The American government is pursing evil goals at home...and abroad. The few resources and spheres of action it has the better until that changes.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:41 AM (XqcwY)

204 >>Well...their semi-open plan is to kill/kick out those people from their lands so..."no" would be the short answer

In the years prior to Russia invading Ukraine there was already a war going on only the war was the Ukrainian government against the ethnically Russian people who wanted more autonomy. Thousands were killed.

And nobody cared. Well Putin did.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2023 11:41 AM (ZLI7S)

205 This Pax Americana talk is basically advocacy for a kind of empire. You can't have small, limited government at home and be the world's policeman. We could content ourselves with being the arsenal of democracy and profiting from our foreign policy, but sales don't provide the kind of influence and control that aid does, and we want client states. This is all just a rehash of what Bill Kristol called National Greatness Conservatism back in The Weekly Standard days, which is just a very euphemistic way of saying "I'm for the military industrial complex that Ike warned us about." It's a source of continuing amazement to me that the same people who characterize daily life in America as being like life under Antiochus Epiphanes then turn around and argue that the our government and politicians are the moral and just (and apparently competent as well) the moment their policymaking is directed outside our borders instead of at us.

Posted by: No thanks to any of this at December 07, 2023 11:41 AM (pjs7m)

206 175 Yeah, because fucking Sweden wants to conquer Russia. Everyone wants to conquer the best place in the world.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:36 AM (krqg6)

Well...they DID invade once. And made a pretty good showing. But that was long ago, if you're not Russian

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 07, 2023 11:41 AM (xcxpd)

207 He has Odessa, now. Guess who rules Black Sea Barter Town?
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I don't know what that means.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023

***
"Black Sea Barter Town" is the sequel to Courteney Cox's sitcom Cougar Town?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 07, 2023 11:41 AM (J2vNu)

208 Tariffs and whiskey are the best way to fund a government.

Or maybe they could sell off all of Ohio one more time.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 07, 2023 11:41 AM (FCs/J)

209 The only reason Ukraine had the Crimea to begin with is because Khrushchev gave it to them in the 50s. This idea that the Crimea is ancient Ukrainian territory is ridiculous.

1954.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:42 AM (YAtuc)

210 The 1st Crusade was a response to over 400 years of Muslim attacks and conquest of Christian lands. I think it time to rid the planet of the scourge of Islam.

Posted by: Archer at December 07, 2023 11:42 AM (gmo/4)

211 188 He has Odessa, now. Guess who rules Black Sea Barter Town?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:35 AM (ntk8v)

Odessa tomorrow, Lisbon in two weeks!!!
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Odessa is where real money moves - grain money.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:42 AM (ntk8v)

212 Similarly the Saudis are far too important both to the world, and to the region, for us to feel free to piss them off stupidly. Which Biden has been doing from the moment he took office.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:42 AM (kAYNz)

213 Oops, cut and paste fail in my post at 196.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:42 AM (JrojV)

214 Angry Palestinians Blame Hamas Leader for Their Fate

I’d be glad if more of them are waking up a bit.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2023 11:42 AM (a4PG0)

215 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2023 11:43 AM (lxobq)

216 Ferris Buman's Fantastic Chicago Adventure.

Posted by: Ben Stein at December 07, 2023 11:43 AM (DZrNt)

217 209 The only reason Ukraine had the Crimea to begin with is because Khrushchev gave it to them in the 50s. This idea that the Crimea is ancient Ukrainian territory is ridiculous.

1954.
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Yep. American defending Khrushchev dictates is kind of stupid.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:43 AM (ntk8v)

218 Cypress?....Cypress Springs?
*sigh* Cyprus.

Mel Blanc nods. And so does Sue.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 07, 2023 11:43 AM (FCs/J)

219 Ukraine Govt Assassinates Former Politician Critical of Zelensky

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Democracy in action!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:43 AM (FVME7)

220 Trump wasn’t an isolationist when prez but he certainly was not an adventurous neocon either. I think he threaded the needle almost perfectly.

If Trump’s 2020 win had been acknowledged and he was still in office we all could’ve avoided:
Disastrous Afghan withdrawal
Ukraine war
10/7 attack on Israel

Does anyone doubt these things happened due to Brandon’s weakness and TPTB hate of us?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2023 11:44 AM (ixCnf)

221 Angry Palestinians Blame Hamas Leader for Their Fate

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The 75% of Palestinians that fully and completely support Hamas, the Oct 7 massacre, and all of the terrorist beheadings and murders?

Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 07, 2023 11:44 AM (+zy2u)

222 Let's take Pat Buchanan. He was against Iraq I. He faulted the Jewish cabal for forcing the US to engage there. Where is was the Bush family's interest that were really at play. But all he saw were "Zionists".

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:44 AM (V13WU)

223 In the years prior to Russia invading Ukraine there was already a war going on only the war was the Ukrainian government against the ethnically Russian people who wanted more autonomy. Thousands were killed.

And nobody cared. Well Putin did.

Putin had an army of Russian regulars in the form of his "little green men" working to overthrow the government so that the "independent" republics could then join Russia. It was an ongoing war, on Ukrainian territory, instigated by Russia.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:44 AM (I/Qkd)

224 Odessa is where real money moves - grain money.

Amusingly a core point in the Peloponnese War - so more then 2K years ago...was Athens control of the Black Sea grain trade meant they didn't need to grow food at home.

When that control was ended the war was basically over.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:44 AM (XqcwY)

225
Walt Disney is turning in his grave over what Bob has done to his company.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:40 AM (krqg6)

There's several reasons the Epstein Flight Logs haven't been released and I believe Bob's one. He ain't MY uncle.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)

226 I still favor laying our "Allies" under tribute.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 07, 2023 11:45 AM (aD39U)

227 The 75% of Palestinians that fully and completely support Hamas, the Oct 7 massacre, and all of the terrorist beheadings and murders?

It's fun when you're raping Jews, not so much fun when the Jews are turning your territory into rubble hunting the people behind the Jew-raping.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:46 AM (YAtuc)

228 Trump wasn’t an isolationist when prez but he certainly was not an adventurous neocon either. I think he threaded the needle almost perfectl

==

Yes. But we don't know how he would have reacted if we had another 9/11. Or if 10/7 happened on his watch.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:46 AM (V13WU)

229 Does anyone doubt these things happened due to Brandon’s weakness and TPTB hate of us?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

Yes. Millions of people. I report on them every day. Oh...you meant non-retarded people that understand reality and have some semblance of objectivity....then no.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 07, 2023 11:46 AM (JCZqz)

230 Ukraine Govt Assassinates Former Politician Critical of Zelensky

Remember when both Shrub and Shrub's dad considered assassinating Saddam Hussein (who killed millions) and the entire left argued that would have been a crime and the sign of an evil despot?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:46 AM (XqcwY)

231 I asked for a name. Not the general arguments. Many people came out agains Iraq, but thought that something else was OK. Like Taiwan. Or Georgia and Armenia.
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:40 AM (V13WU)

Honestly? I would argue now that Iraq was a bad idea and protecting Taiwan is not (barely.) But even then, there is a question of degrees: Iraq- good idea up to the end of the invasion? rubble, not trouble? In vested interest to remove the countries ability to harm, but the reconstruction was the source of mischief?

I DEFINITELY ascribe to a less adventurous line than 20 or 30 years ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:46 AM (zZu0s)

232 >>I see. So any government can take any land they want under the "I had my fingers crossed behind my back" clause.

Ironically, that seems to have been our foreign policy for decades. We just do it quietly.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2023 11:46 AM (ZLI7S)

233
I see. So any government can take any land they want under the "I had my fingers crossed behind my back" clause.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:41 AM (I/Qkd)

Don't call it 'Indian Giving' because that's racist.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)

234 Greetings! All of these problems are about to solve themselves. Soon the interest on the debt will overshadow all other expenditures and those expenditures will necessarily end.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 07, 2023 11:46 AM (MeG8a)

235 This idea that the Crimea is ancient Ukrainian territory is ridiculous.

According to France and Britain, it ain't nobody's business
but the Turks. Russia was allowed to claw that one back.
All the world got out of it was half a league, stylish face masks and the Red Cross.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 07, 2023 11:46 AM (FCs/J)

236 Everybody is picking on the mouse these days.

South Carolina Boots Disney from Its State Investment Portfolio Due to Its “Far-Left” Activism

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:47 AM (FVME7)

237 How does Israel separate out Hamas from Gaza "civilians"? If they capture them coming out of tunnels, I guess they know. Or if they are on video from Oct 7. But surely many will pretend to not be Hamas. (and even women can also be Hamas, I assume, ready to blow up their captors)

Posted by: illiniwek at December 07, 2023 11:47 AM (Cus5s)

238 Angry Palestinians Blame Hamas Leader for Their Fate

I’d be glad if more of them are waking up a bit.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I still don't trust them to be honest.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:47 AM (hS7lz)

239 Thos Epstein flight logs are damning. Wonder how many assholes are being blackmailed by the IC. More than a few.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 07, 2023 11:47 AM (R4t5M)

240 The only reason Ukraine had the Crimea to begin with is because Khrushchev gave it to them in the 50s. This idea that the Crimea is ancient Ukrainian territory is ridiculous.

You really should read some history. This is a complicated issue of very long standing. You could argue that it goes back to at least Bohdan Khmelnytsky, in the Treaty or Pereyaslav, in which he allied with Russia against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, who ruled part of Ukraine at the time. The tsar claimed it made Ukraine part of Russia. Ukraine disagreed.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:47 AM (I/Qkd)

241 Where did the claim that Russia holds Odessa come from? They're about as far away from taking Odessa in the Ukraine as they are Odessa, Texas.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (kAYNz)

242 It was an ongoing war, on Ukrainian territory, instigated by Russia.

And remember, it's actually the Russians who have been shelling Russian-controlled Donetsk for the last ten years, just to make Ukraine look bad.

(The Ukrainian government actually argues this.)

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (YAtuc)

243 If we gotta meddle, then meddle right. Leaders like the Shah and Somoza, who had to kill to stay in power, should be supported when they have to kill leftists and other scum to remain in power.

Not abandoned for "Human" rights abuses.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (mQ8ar)

244 South Carolina Boots Disney from Its State Investment Portfolio Due to Its “Far-Left” Activism

Then: Let's watch the prince save the princesses as they both fall in love and then live happily every after

Now: Girl boss don't need no prince. But she does need a little girl on girl action. But don't worry we'll make them both lame.

Posted by: Disney at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (XqcwY)

245 >>Putin had an army of Russian regulars in the form of his "little green men" working to overthrow the government so that the "independent" republics could then join Russia. It was an ongoing war, on Ukrainian territory, instigated by Russia.

You keep ignoring the part where we, the United States of America, actually did overthrow the government of Ukraine.

What does that make us if Putin is a monster?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)

246 Honestly? I would argue now that Iraq was a bad idea and protecting Taiwan is not (barely.) But even then, there is a question of degrees: Iraq- good idea up to the end of the invasion? rubble, not trouble? In vested interest to remove the countries ability to harm, but the reconstruction was the source of mischief?

I DEFINITELY ascribe to a less adventurous line than 20 or 30 years ago.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:46 AM (zZu0s)

But you are not an isolationist. You argue for a measured foreign policy , I gather. I am talking specifically about the likes of Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. Or Massie , who is their ideological heir.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (V13WU)

247 Where did the claim that Russia holds Odessa come from? They're about as far away from taking Odessa in the Ukraine as they are Odessa, Texas.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (kAYNz)

If it wasn't for the oil there, I'd consider giving them Odessa, TX.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (Zz0t1)

248 The only reason Ukraine had the Crimea to begin with is because Khrushchev gave it to them in the 50s. This idea that the Crimea is ancient Ukrainian territory is ridiculous.

I see. So any government can take any land they want under the "I had my fingers crossed behind my back" clause.
Posted by: Archimedes

It was Russian territory before Nikita alienated it on a imperial whim. It's not like Ukraine for it. Putin's under no obligation to respect Khrushchev's decision to transfer it from Russia to Ukraine.

But I know, that doesn't fit the "Russia bad!" narrative.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:49 AM (JrojV)

249 222 Let's take Pat Buchanan. He was against Iraq I. He faulted the Jewish cabal for forcing the US to engage there. Where is was the Bush family's interest that were really at play. But all he saw were "Zionists".
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:44 AM (V13WU)

And you are going to use PAT BUCHANAN to tar all those who think that maybe goin a'conquerin for trans rights* is not a great idea?

*that is a thing. While I was typing I remembered that someone said of Constantine that sometime before the Milvan Bridge he decided it was his destiny to 'go out a'conquering for Jesus.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:49 AM (zZu0s)

250 Thos Epstein flight logs are damning. Wonder how many assholes are being blackmailed by the IC. More than a few.

Notice how the fact that RFK's wife had some connection to Ghislane came out but still not an official release of the clients...?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:49 AM (XqcwY)

251 It's fun when you're raping Jews, not so much fun when the Jews are turning your territory into rubble hunting the people behind the Jew-raping.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

It's all fun and games until the IDF kicks your door in.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:49 AM (FVME7)

252 You could argue that it goes back to at least Bohdan Khmelnytsky, in the Treaty or Pereyaslav, in which he allied with Russia against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, who ruled part of Ukraine at the time. The tsar claimed it made Ukraine part of Russia. Ukraine disagreed.

So I assume this means that we have to hand Crimea back to Poland?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:49 AM (YAtuc)

253 >>>I see. So any government can take any land they want under the "I had my fingers crossed behind my back" clause.

If they can conquer and hold it, it is theirs.

That has been the Ruleset for all of Human History.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (sYdGr)

254 President Don Black would have a list of naughty/nice countries, and would formulate foreign policy and diplomatic relations accordingly

no gray areas- you're either in or you're out

Posted by: Don Black at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (geLO8)

255 I don't want my kid fighting anyone else's fight. Nobody is worth it. He can stay home and defend his family if the time comes.

Posted by: nckate at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (SnxUt)

256 222 Let's take Pat Buchanan. He was against Iraq I. He faulted the Jewish cabal for forcing the US to engage there. Where is was the Bush family's interest that were really at play. But all he saw were "Zionists".
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Bush the Elder was also a former CIA Director. Please recall that if the CIA and a President differ on direction the President either becomes dead or is impeached. JFK, Nixon, and Trump come to mind.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ntk8v)

257 Updated proposal:

America defends trade routes, its citizens and Israel. Everything else in the ME can go straight to hell.

We drill our own oil and gas, so much that we can supply our allies (yes this is possible), and make a tidy profit by doing so.

Nah this makes too much sense, and is not "sophisticated" right?

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (5C4od)

258 245 >>Putin had an army of Russian regulars in the form of his "little green men" working to overthrow the government so that the "independent" republics could then join Russia. It was an ongoing war, on Ukrainian territory, instigated by Russia.

You keep ignoring the part where we, the United States of America, actually did overthrow the government of Ukraine.

What does that make us if Putin is a monster?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)

We are also assholes, I think that's also clear. But the regime "we" overthrew was also put in place via fraud and influence from Russia.

It's just dirty all over.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (xcxpd)

259

I still don't trust them to be honest.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:47 AM (hS7lz)

They worship the book of lies. It's impossible to trust them.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (Zz0t1)

260 >>I see. So any government can take any land they want under the "I had my fingers crossed behind my back" clause.

Ironically, that seems to have been our foreign policy for decades. We just do it quietly.
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And domestically.
See also: Indian tribes, eminent domain, income taxes, federal criminal laws.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (IpqjR)

261 Well...they DID invade once. And made a pretty good showing. But that was long ago, if you're not Russian
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Sweden could use a man like Karl XII again!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (krqg6)

262
Just watched a few videos of last nights debate and Vivek is clear winner, Christie biggest loser, DeSantis is in attendance, and Nikki stumped by a geography question about Eastern Ukraine.

Not sure what difference it makes. Tucker Carlson for Veep.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (enJYY)

263 Their argument is that Jews in the US direct, force even, US foreign policy only to aid their nefarious interests (Zionism), so we need to stop 1!!1

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (V13WU)

264 Where is was the Bush family's interest that were really at play. But all he saw were "Zionists".

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:44 AM (V13WU)

The Bush family are crypto-Jews.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (Ub+8P)

265 You keep ignoring the part where we, the United States of America, actually did overthrow the government of Ukraine.

And...remember when Shrub was presented a coup in Venezuela and just had to give them support and the Democrats threatened to impeach him if he did?

Coups are BAD...except when the left pulls them....

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (XqcwY)

266 Yeah, Russia is ready to invade Poland. Right after they finish toying with Ukraine.

Posted by: Professor Plum at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (GRBgg)

267 Angry Palestinians Blame Hamas Leader for Their Fate

I’d be glad if more of them are waking up a bit.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I still don't trust them to be honest.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:47 AM (hS7lz)

They'd end up backing Fatah instead.

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (yxyhz)

268 Please recall that if the CIA and a President differ on direction the President either becomes dead or is impeached. JFK, Nixon, and Trump come to mind.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ntk8v)

Puddinhead be preachin'!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (xcxpd)

269 Where did the claim that Russia holds Odessa come from? They're about as far away from taking Odessa in the Ukraine as they are Odessa, Texas.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (kAYNz)

If it wasn't for the oil there, I'd consider giving them Odessa, TX.
Posted by: Sponge

Russia says "Nyet! Too desolate and depressing!"

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (hS7lz)

270 You keep ignoring the part where we, the United States of America, actually did overthrow the government of Ukraine.

I don't ignore the fact that we were assisting the legitimate government of Ukraine to implement democracy and hold democratic elections, so that Ukraine could join the EU. How many troops did we have in Ukraine again?

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (I/Qkd)

271 oh yeah, Bowman censured by the House. for pulling.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (V13WU)

272 Where did the claim that Russia holds Odessa come from? They're about as far away from taking Odessa in the Ukraine as they are Odessa, Texas.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (kAYNz)

If it wasn't for the oil there, I'd consider giving them Odessa, TX.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (Zz0t1)

Oh Sheila > Odessa

Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (+cH+C)

273 264 Where is was the Bush family's interest that were really at play. But all he saw were "Zionists".

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:44 AM (V13WU)

The Bush family are crypto-Jews.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (Ub+8P)

Trans-Jewish?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 07, 2023 11:52 AM (xcxpd)

274 @240 The history of that area for the last 500 years of history has been a dispute over borders. I don't like the Russians actions, nor the Ukraine corruption but to stick our noses into it is asking for a mess. I've been following the war on both sides and at the moment the Russians are advancing all over. The Ukes are about out of troops

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 07, 2023 11:52 AM (wukIh)

275 Who said we considered making Spanish our national language? Oh yeah I remember the great debates between Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin on that one.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:52 AM (kAYNz)

276 Angry Palestinians Blame Hamas Leader for Their Fate

I’d be glad if more of them are waking up a bit.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I still don't trust them to be honest.

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The ARC of History got it in one. These folks 100% supported what they did through their elected government.

"75% Support OCT 7 Massacre, 76% Have a Positive View of Hamas, 80% Support Annihilation of Israel Over “Two States,” 98.2% Have Negative View of America"

https://tinyurl.com/yqp58h4c

They're upset that they're being treated like adults and held to account and facing the consequences for their actions.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 07, 2023 11:52 AM (+zy2u)

277
Russia says "Nyet! Too desolate and depressing!"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (hS7lz)

I did hit my longest 3 wood ever off the tee in Odessa, TX, tho.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)

278 >The Bush family are crypto-Jews.

Their real last name is Bushberg.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2023 11:52 AM (sYdGr)

279 But you are not an isolationist. You argue for a measured foreign policy , I gather. I am talking specifically about the likes of Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. Or Massie , who is their ideological heir.
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:48 AM (V13WU)

That's disingenuous. As I said above, I do not think even those hamsters are for complete isolation in a modern world. They did not die OF covid, they died WITH covid. They are 'isolationists' who MAY be anti-Semitic without being isolationists BECAUSE they are anti-Semitic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:53 AM (zZu0s)

280 The Bush family are crypto-Jews.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (Ub+8P)

Bitcoin ??

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:53 AM (V13WU)

281
Trans-Jewish?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 07, 2023 11:52 AM (xcxpd)

Circumcised dickntits.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)

282 We are also assholes, I think that's also clear. But the regime "we" overthrew was also put in place via fraud and influence from Russia.

The 2010 election was likely one of the fairest Ukraine has had and almost certainly had less fraud then our '20 election.

Of course as a banana republic the winner imprisoned the loser. Lil Z' did the same thing but dropped the charges against Poroshenko after the war started (note the same guy the US installed with the coup)

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 11:53 AM (XqcwY)

283 >>South Carolina Boots Disney from Its State Investment Portfolio Due to Its “Far-Left” Activism

wasn't Nikki trying to troll DeSantis by begging Disney to relocate to SC about 6 weeks ago?

Posted by: DanMan at December 07, 2023 11:53 AM (8uzBS)

284 And don't forget the US federal government taking millions of acres of land from the western states as a condition of statehood to ensure the political dominace of the Eastern states.

A condition not legal under the Constitution.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice - Personality Commentator at December 07, 2023 11:53 AM (IpqjR)

285 Biden Admin to Forgive Almost $5B In Student Loan Debt

Biden Awards California $6B in Infrastructure Spending for High-speed Rail to Vegas, Central Valley

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A few billion here, a few billion there; pretty soon it begins to add up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:54 AM (FVME7)

286 oh yeah, Bowman censured by the House. for pulling.
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (V13WU)

He pulled it out?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 07, 2023 11:54 AM (mQ8ar)

287 Russia says "Nyet! Too desolate and depressing!"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (hS7lz)

ROFL! You've been there, I see.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:54 AM (kAYNz)

288 The late Jerry Pournelle noted that if we had taken all of the money that we spent in trying to police the Middle East since the 1970's and instead built five hundred nuclear reactors, we could have simply ignored what was going on there entirely.

Posted by: A Concerned Citizen at December 07, 2023 11:54 AM (zcPgo)

289 oh yeah, Bowman censured by the House. for pulling.

Posted by: runner

Seems harsh.

Posted by: J. Toobin at December 07, 2023 11:54 AM (hCzfy)

290 264 Where is was the Bush family's interest that were really at play. But all he saw were "Zionists".

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:44 AM (V13WU)

The Bush family are crypto-Jews.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (Ub+8P)

*pulls off mask, scooby doo style*

Everyone: OLD MAN GOLDSTEIN!?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:55 AM (zZu0s)

291 236 Everybody is picking on the mouse these days.

South Carolina Boots Disney from Its State Investment Portfolio Due to Its “Far-Left” Activism
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:47 AM (FVME7)

Good.

Another reason to add SC to my repeat vacation destinations

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 07, 2023 11:55 AM (xcxpd)

292 289 oh yeah, Bowman censured by the House. for pulling.

Posted by: runner

Seems harsh.
Posted by: J. Toobin at December 07, 2023 11:54 AM (hCzfy)

Heh. Never gets old.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:55 AM (zZu0s)

293 If it wasn't for the oil there, I'd consider giving them Odessa, TX.
Posted by: Sponge

Russia says "Nyet! Too desolate and depressing!"
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Odessa, TX, named themselves after Odessa, Russia/Ukraine. Odessa was a world beater in shipping grain prior to the Commies.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:55 AM (ntk8v)

294 oh yeah, Bowman censured by the House. for pulling.
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (V13WU)

He pulled it out?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 07, 2023 11:54 AM (mQ8ar)

Did he forget to say 'scuse me first??

Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2023 11:55 AM (+cH+C)

295 That's disingenuous. As I said above, I do not think even those hamsters are for complete isolation in a modern world. They did not die OF covid, they died WITH covid. They are 'isolationists' who MAY be anti-Semitic without being isolationists BECAUSE they are anti-Semitic.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 11:53 AM (zZu0s)

ok, I stopped following the argument here. you went on some tangent I cannot folow. what are you arguing exactly ? I asked for a specific example of an Isolationist and you gave me generalities and opposition to IRaq war. how did covid get into this ?

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:55 AM (V13WU)

296 Sweden could use a man like Karl XII again!
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (krqg6)

IIRC Charles “the Great” met a rather ignominious end. Shot in the head in a trench while laying siege to some city… either by an enemy sniper or maybe by one of his own men. It went downhill fast after Poltava….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 07, 2023 11:56 AM (ixCnf)

297 yes, CENSURED FOR PULLING ! lesson : don't pull where people can see you pulling.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:56 AM (V13WU)

298 I did hit my longest 3 wood ever off the tee in Odessa, TX, tho.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)

You said 'longest 3 wood'....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 07, 2023 11:56 AM (xcxpd)

299 I don't ignore the fact that we were assisting the legitimate government of Ukraine to implement democracy and hold democratic elections

LOL. That's a hilarious way of describing the Maidan Coup.

Ukraine did hold democratic elections - we didn't like the result, so we sent Victoria Nuland to Ukraine to overthrow the democratically elected government.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2023 11:56 AM (YAtuc)

300 I saw Crypto-Jews open for Kiss at the Huntsville Civic Center in '78.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 07, 2023 11:56 AM (aD39U)

301 I've been following the war on both sides and at the moment the Russians are advancing all over. The Ukes are about out of troops

They really aren't. They're losing thousands of men in the salient around Avdiivka, with very little to show for it. The Ukes are actually pushing south across the Dnieper and moving towards the coast. It's slow going, but they are moving forward.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:57 AM (I/Qkd)

302 The only reason Ukraine had the Crimea to begin with is because Khrushchev gave it to them in the 50s. This idea that the Crimea is ancient Ukrainian territory is ridiculous.

You really should read some history. This is a complicated issue of very long standing. You could argue that it goes back to at least Bohdan Khmelnytsky, in the Treaty or Pereyaslav, in which he allied with Russia against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, who ruled part of Ukraine at the time. The tsar claimed it made Ukraine part of Russia. Ukraine disagreed.
Posted by: Archimedes

Oh please. I've read plenty of Russian history. Your "Ukraine, Good! Russia, Bad!" shtick is getting very tiresome.

The Ukrainian Cossacks never ruled Crimea. It was a Tatar Khanate before the Russian conquest, and thereafter the Riviera of the Russian aristocracy.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:57 AM (JrojV)

303 Sweden could use a man like Karl XII again!
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 11:50 AM (krqg6)

I'm more of a Gutavus Adolphus guy myself

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 07, 2023 11:57 AM (5C4od)

304 Well just to be pedantic. -the US Government never took any land away from the Western States, because the FedGov had title to it before those States ever existed. True for any land that was a US territory once. We can argue that they *should* have given it to them when they became States; well they didn't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 11:57 AM (kAYNz)

305
You said 'longest 3 wood'....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 07, 2023 11:56 AM (xcxpd)

So?

Posted by: Tiger's Wood at December 07, 2023 11:57 AM (Zz0t1)

306 298 I did hit my longest 3 wood ever off the tee in Odessa, TX, tho.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:52 AM (Zz0t1)
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Was this a par 3 hole?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:57 AM (ntk8v)

307 RNC Research
@RNCResearch
Biden campaign spokesman Quentin Fulks on the economy: "It's really important to remind the American people where they were four years ago before Joe Biden took office!"
(Just 14% of voters say they're better off under Biden)

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Reagan famously asked a similar question.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 07, 2023 11:58 AM (FVME7)

308 I saw Crypto-Jews open for Kiss at the Huntsville Civic Center in '78.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 07, 2023 11:56 AM (aD39U)

Go listen to Kiss's "Christine" and tell me what it's about......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:58 AM (Zz0t1)

309 ---------------
Was this a par 3 hole?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:57 AM (ntk8v)

4.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:58 AM (Zz0t1)

310 Thanks for keeping this discussion civil...I know it can be a contentious topic...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 11:58 AM (Ub+8P)

311 Where is was the Bush family's interest that were really at play. But all he saw were "Zionists".

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:44 AM (V13WU)

The Bush family are crypto-Jews.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 11:51 AM (Ub+8P)

Trans-Jewish?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 07, 2023 11:52 AM (xcxpd)

I just had a fabulous idea. New cryptocurrency. JewCoin.

We need to make this happen.

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2023 11:59 AM (eHRs8)

312 The tendencies of some towards isolationism grate on my nerves. One other thing the isolationist crowd doesn’t get is that the enemy gets a vote.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 07, 2023 11:06 AM (MVSM6)

I have isolationist tendencies. The problem, as I see it, is that the other side has interventionist tendencies. They never see a region, or a conflict, that we shouldn't be involved in.

I'd be perfectly fine with saying, here's a small list of countries who's security we consider important and will protect... and the rest of you can look after yourselves. And then, if necessary, we enter the fray whole-heartedly. To win. As quickly, and brutally, as necessary. But, instead, we half-ass our way around things as a way to bleed the US of blood and treasure.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 07, 2023 11:59 AM (1Z8zZ)

313 The Ukrainian Cossacks never ruled Crimea. It was a Tatar Khanate before the Russian conquest, and thereafter the Riviera of the Russian aristocracy.
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Tartar's have serious flair.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:59 AM (ntk8v)

314 Nothing to see here:

Feb 2010

"The ad campaign is significant because it is the product of the American political consulting firm AKP&D Message & Media, the company founded by President Obama's chief advisor, David Axelrod. Axelrod's son, Michael, still works for the firm. Mr. Yanukovich is being advised by Paul Manafort, a Republican strategist from the firm Davis, Manafort & Freedman, Inc., which has advised several U.S. presidents. Ukraine's outgoing president, Victor Yushenko, received American-style help and campaign advice from Hillary Clinton's campaign strategist, Mark Penn, who was president of the big American PR firm, Burson-Marsteller. The Ukraine is a gold mine for big American political firms, since it is one of the largest countries in Europe, has obscure and weakly-enforced campaign laws, and the major Ukrainian political parties are backed by big businesses, with money to finance professional campaigns."

https://tinyurl.com/ypo6op2n

Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 07, 2023 11:59 AM (+zy2u)

315 >>I know it can be a contentious topic...

It's not Crossbow v Longbow, though.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2023 11:59 AM (sYdGr)

316 Go listen to Kiss's "Christine" and tell me what it's about......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 11:58 AM (Zz0t1)

Christine Sixteen followed by Love Gun is quite the 2-fer!

Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2023 11:59 AM (+cH+C)

317 Thanks for keeping this discussion civil...I know it can be a contentious topic...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 11:58 AM (Ub+8P)

Civility is the hobgoblin of liberal minds.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)

318 LOL. That's a hilarious way of describing the Maidan Coup.

Ukraine did hold democratic elections - we didn't like the result, so we sent Victoria Nuland to Ukraine to overthrow the democratically elected government.

The Maidan Revolution occurred when Yanukovych completely ignored the wishes of the vast majority of the population, who wanted to move closer to the EU. Instead, he opted to ally with his installer, Putin, who wanted Ukraine for the Moscow-run "Commonwealth of Independent States". The Ukrainians revolted and reverted to Constitutional Rule.

https://tinyurl.com/3r6zcdz2.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 12:00 PM (I/Qkd)

319 IIRC Charles “the Great” met a rather ignominious end. Shot in the head in a trench while laying siege to some city… either by an enemy sniper or maybe by one of his own men. It went downhill fast after Poltava….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

It was in Norway, I think. Siege of Bergen?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 12:00 PM (JrojV)

320 I quit following the Ukraine War completely when I realized that the reports, for months and months, have been "big news! Ukraine advances 100 yards into Russian held territory! " then next week "big news! Russia takes that 100 yards back!" Wash, rinse, repeat, over and over again.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 12:01 PM (kAYNz)

321 Japan will help fight for Taiwan. At this point, they are a better ally to us than we are to them.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 07, 2023 12:01 PM (nnp+f)

322 Civility is the hobgoblin of liberal minds.

Bugbear > Hobgoblin > Goblin

Posted by: Some that has played D&D at December 07, 2023 12:01 PM (XqcwY)

323 >>Ukraine did hold democratic elections - we didn't like the result, so we sent Victoria Nuland to Ukraine to overthrow the democratically elected government.

And to hand out cookies.

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2023 12:01 PM (sYdGr)

324 @RNCResearch
Biden campaign spokesman Quentin Fulks on the economy: "It's really important to remind the American people where they were four years ago before Joe Biden took office!"

-

You mean when families could walk down grocery store aisles or toy aisles and casually pick up something for their kids just because they wanted to?

Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 07, 2023 12:01 PM (+zy2u)

325
Christine Sixteen followed by Love Gun is quite the 2-fer!
Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2023 11:59 AM (+cH+C)

*shudders*

*is glad my daughter wasn't a groupie in high school*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:01 PM (Zz0t1)

326
Bugbear > Hobgoblin > Goblin
Posted by: Some that has played D&D at December 07, 2023 12:01 PM (XqcwY)

Smoky Bear >

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:01 PM (Zz0t1)

327 Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 11:57 AM (JrojV)

The idea that there are good guys and bad guys in the Ukraine border dispute is patently ridiculous!

How about, "A pox on both their houses!"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 12:02 PM (Ub+8P)

328 The Maidan Revolution occurred when Yanukovych completely ignored the wishes of the vast majority of the population, who wanted to move closer to the EU. Instead, he opted to ally with his installer, Putin, who wanted Ukraine for the Moscow-run "Commonwealth of Independent States". The Ukrainians revolted and reverted to Constitutional Rule.

https://tinyurl.com/3r6zcdz2.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 12:00 PM (I/Qkd)

Also, Joe Biden got 81M legitimate votes.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 07, 2023 12:02 PM (1Z8zZ)

329 Thanks for keeping this discussion civil...I know it can be a contentious topic...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 11:58 AM (Ub+8P)

Say, how do you feel about maple syrup on French toast?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 12:02 PM (JrojV)

330 I'm more of a Gustavus Adolphus guy myself
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The guy who invented the recoilless rifle??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 12:02 PM (krqg6)

331 Thanks for keeping this discussion civil...I know it can be a contentious topic...

==

No one is completely drunk yet, so.....

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 12:02 PM (V13WU)

332 ok, I stopped following the argument here. you went on some tangent I cannot folow. what are you arguing exactly ? I asked for a specific example of an Isolationist and you gave me generalities and opposition to IRaq war. how did covid get into this ?
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 11:55 AM (V13WU)

And you went to the 'give me an example' and I am giving myself.

What I am saying is that you are lumping things together in the cause-effect loop that may not necessarily be so. (That's where the covid example comes in. You are trying to magnify your argument by suggesting the one must flow from the other.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 12:03 PM (zZu0s)

333 The monthly Zelensky beg-a-thons are grating, as well.

Posted by: Professor Plum at December 07, 2023 12:03 PM (GRBgg)

334 ==

No one is completely drunk yet, so.....
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 12:02 PM (V13WU)

No?

*sits up straight*

*opens eyes wide*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

335 I quit following the Ukraine War completely when I realized that the reports, for months and months, have been "big news! Ukraine advances 100 yards into Russian held territory! " then next week "big news! Russia takes that 100 yards back!" Wash, rinse, repeat, over and over again.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 07, 2023 12:01 PM (kAYNz)

Also, by my count, Ukraine has destroyed something like 150,000 Russian tanks.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 07, 2023 12:04 PM (1Z8zZ)

336 "Ukraine, Good! Russia, Bad!"

Brought to you by the same people calling Trump a Russian agent for 5 years.

They are being truthful now though.

Posted by: DOYLE at December 07, 2023 12:04 PM (Z8Yh2)

337 The monthly Zelensky beg-a-thons are grating, as well.
Posted by: Professor Plum at December 07, 2023 12:03 PM (GRBgg)

"You Republicans better keep your grubby hands off his money!!!!"

- - - - - Chuck "You" Schumer

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:04 PM (Zz0t1)

338 Christine Sixteen followed by Love Gun is quite the 2-fer!
Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2023 11:59 AM (+cH+C)

*shudders*

*is glad my daughter wasn't a groupie in high school*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:01 PM (Zz0t1)

A riff from Christine Sixteen is one of the sampled riffs used in Funky Cold Medina. Also one from Hot Blooded.

Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2023 12:04 PM (+cH+C)

339 The late Jerry Pournelle noted that if we had taken all of the money that we spent in trying to police the Middle East since the 1970's and instead built five hundred nuclear reactors, we could have simply ignored what was going on there entirely.
Posted by: A Concerned Citizen at December 07, 2023 11:54 AM (zcPgo)

For 1970s, that should read 1940s.

Posted by: FDR and the King of Saudi Arabia at December 07, 2023 12:04 PM (DVHYB)

340 Civility is the hobgoblin of liberal minds.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)

Fine...

Blow me! You cocks*cking Texas queen! Take that three wood and stick it where the sun don't shine!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (Ub+8P)

341
Also, by my count, Ukraine has destroyed something like 150,000 Russian tanks.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 07, 2023 12:04 PM (1Z8zZ)

Don't forget the pilot that shot down every plane they had.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (Zz0t1)

342 While it is a tiny win, the censure on today's Dem is a win for the speaker and the House. He got Dems to support it and make it a bipartisan censure. Meaningless, probably...but even meaningless signals that are conservative are good...shows we're at least not fully forgotten in the day-to-day there...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (exHjb)

343 333 The monthly Zelensky beg-a-thons are grating, as well.
Posted by: Professor Plum

Don't worry! The non-stop LGBTQIA2S+ begging (and coercion) will ramp up soon.

Posted by: MSM Betters at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (JCZqz)

344 Also, Joe Biden got 81M legitimate votes.

In Ukraine's last election Lil Z ran on a platform of ending the war against the Russian people in the east.

If the Maidan coup was a popular revolt why did the people vote for the same "pro-Russian" platform in their next election? Of course he either decided not to, or was unable to, end the war against those people...

And...if the Maidan coup was legitimate why did lil Z arrest the the man installed by the coup?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (XqcwY)

345 I love this blog, and draw almost all of my daily info on the goings-on in the world from it, especially the comments. There's just a wealth of well informed, smart people who are generally respectful and considerate, and most put-downs are factual and don't involve a lot of gratuitous nonsense.

Not too many days ago, some commenter and I don't recall who reminded someone that insulting American Jews was not much of an encouragement for them to come around to a conservative point of view. And that is completely correct.

Sefton's rant against Thomas Massie yesterday morning reflects quite clearly that deep and pretty disgusting predjudices lurk in each of us. Leaders, those hoping to make convincing arguments that bring people into a better mindset, avoid the broad-brush and deeply insulting language and dredged up stereotypes that were front and center of his comments. Today's discussion about natives of NY and NJ who are normal people appalled by the condition of domestic politics also makes the point. I don't know what Rep. Massie said because after reading a very sterotypical response, I stopped caring.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (z+KLG)

346 We have bankrupt ourselves by being the Worlds Policeman. Inflation is almost all due to GOVERMENT overspending, by now Trillions of Dollars a year.

All platitudes aside about security... our Governments overspending is doing more damage to this country than any foreign enemy could ever do, short of Nuclear Weapons.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (xaFKb)

347 Fine...

Blow me! You cocks*cking Texas queen! Take that three wood and stick it where the sun don't shine!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (Ub+8P)

Dem's fight'n wards!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (Zz0t1)

348 And you went to the 'give me an example' and I am giving myself.

What I am saying is that you are lumping things together in the cause-effect loop that may not necessarily be so. (That's where the covid example comes in. You are trying to magnify your argument by suggesting the one must flow from the other.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 12:03 PM (zZu0s)

ok, , rhetoric about loops aside, other than Iraq business, what are your positions on foreign aid again ?

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (V13WU)

349 Deadline: ‘Godzilla Minus One’ Is Now Top Grossing Live-Action Japanese Film In North America After Stomping-Good Opening

https://tinyurl.com/2p9d3f3r

Ace saw it the day before, right? Did he say anything about it?

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2023 12:06 PM (HJanJ)

350 Superb analysis CBD.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Invictus Maneo at December 07, 2023 12:06 PM (3k8c+)

351
A riff from Christine Sixteen is one of the sampled riffs used in Funky Cold Medina. Also one from Hot Blooded.
Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2023 12:04 PM (+cH+C)

CORRECT!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:06 PM (Zz0t1)

352 Cat Food, Spiced Rum. Stuff I need to pick up.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 12:06 PM (ntk8v)

353 Someone mentions Fairway Woods and Mannix DOESN'T Post a Pic of Paige S.???

What hapened to this place?

Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2023 12:06 PM (sYdGr)

354 The guy who invented the recoilless rifle??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 12:02 PM (krqg6)

Haha no but did pioneer combined arms tactics

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 07, 2023 12:06 PM (5C4od)

355 From a quick DDG!

Charles XII of Sweden was shot at Fredriksten fortress in Halden [Norway] on 30 November 1718. Researchers have now concluded that the shot could not possibly have been fired at close range by anyone among the king's own Swedish soldiers,. (The skull was photographed by Otto Mattsson at the opening of the king's coffin in 1917)

A mystery solved: Who killed the Swedish king Charles XII?
For centuries experts have debated who killed the Swedish King Charles XII. A new Finnish study in which the researchers shot at artificial skulls completely refutes the idea that he was killed by his own war-weary soldiers.
Bård Amundsen; Tuesday 24. January 2023 - 11:44
https://tinyurl.com/acz69kpn

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 12:06 PM (krqg6)

356 Odds that more than 2 Touchdowns will be scored tonight by the Pats and Steelers?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 12:07 PM (ntk8v)

357
Don't forget the pilot that shot down every plane they had.

I got a hold of an old combat flight simulator from the 80s recently. I shot down every Libyan plane 10X over through the course of the campaign mode.

Should I be sending my game logs to the FNM to get credit?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 12:07 PM (XqcwY)

358 Civility is the hobgoblin of liberal minds.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)

Which libs are you talking about? Adlai Stevenson died a long time ago...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 12:07 PM (zZu0s)

359 Are the Patriots one of the teams with a tranny cheerleader?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 07, 2023 12:07 PM (XqcwY)

360
What hapened to this place?
Posted by: garrett at December 07, 2023 12:06 PM (sYdGr)

A worthy substitute......

https://is.gd/x8vfcS

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:08 PM (Zz0t1)

361 There's just a wealth of well informed, smart people who are generally respectful and considerate,

===

🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 12:08 PM (V13WU)

362 The concept of the sovereign nation-state with a national culture and which it controls its borders is under attack from the global left and its corporate allies. Israel is a smaller target than the US, but has many of the same enemies. There's a substantial connection between the US's domestic enemies on Team Obama and Israel's own domestic enemies.

Posted by: Peter B at December 07, 2023 12:08 PM (KGz4E)

363 Cat Food, Spiced Rum. Stuff I need to pick up.
Posted by: Pudinhead

You put cat food in your spiced rum?

And you couldn't even bring yourself to try a persimmon?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 07, 2023 12:09 PM (JrojV)

364
Which libs are you talking about? Adlai Stevenson died a long time ago...
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 12:07 PM (zZu0s)

It rhymed close enough to the original, so I went with it.

So sue me.

Plus, it ruffled CBD's feathers, so I'm fine with it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)

365 Supposedly, my copy of Fishboy delivers today.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 12:10 PM (ntk8v)

366 In Ukraine's last election Lil Z ran on a platform of ending the war against the Russian people in the east.

You mean the president who took office BEFORE the Russian invasion? You think that might have changed things a wee bit?

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 12:10 PM (I/Qkd)

367 Supposedly, my copy of Fishboy delivers today.
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 12:10 PM (ntk8v)

My copy of Fishnun got lost in the mail.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:10 PM (Zz0t1)

368 210 The 1st Crusade was a response to over 400 years of Muslim attacks and conquest of Christian lands. I think it time to rid the planet of the scourge of Islam. - Archer

Bring back the Templars, says I.

What has any of this got to do with climate change, says Pope Francis.

Posted by: Paco at December 07, 2023 12:10 PM (njExo)

369 And you couldn't even bring yourself to try a persimmon?
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This is true. Imma pussy.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 12:11 PM (ntk8v)

370 Supposedly, my copy of Fishboy delivers today.

--

It's the Ghost of KEEEEEV's favorite book.

Posted by: Nikki Haley - No R candidates will discuss voter fraud because Trump said pussy at December 07, 2023 12:11 PM (+zy2u)

371 No one is completely drunk yet, so.....
Posted by: runner

I wonder if you could freeze dry bourbon like folger's crystals and then snort it for those meetings where you didn't want your breath to smell?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2023 12:11 PM (hS7lz)

372 Was this a par 3 hole?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:57 AM (ntk8v)

The Boswell spawn was playing with her golf pro one day and they came up on some 237 yrd par 3 hole - one of the longest in NY, actually - and he hit some three iron downwind right onto the green and birdied it - my daughter never forgot that.

Posted by: Boswell at December 07, 2023 12:11 PM (K+UlC)

373 Bring back the Templars, says I.
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That's what I was saying during the first new episodes of Oak Island.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 12:11 PM (ntk8v)

374 ok, , rhetoric about loops aside, other than Iraq business, what are your positions on foreign aid again ?
Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 12:05 PM (V13WU)

1) I think in most cases it is a bad idea. It's bad not just on our side (the above discussion about the $10k hammer) but also for the people we are trying to 'help.' How deformed is Europe's priorities after sitting for 80 years under the umbrella of our 'protection'?

2) I think it is justifiable in certain circumstances (also enumerated above in the case of Israel as a trade partner, setting aside the whole stable democracy jazz.) The same argument can be made for Taiwan (and with the same caveats.)

Korea is an example of the dark side of both Israel and Taiwan example though. Could they defend themselves against NorKo? Do we NEED to be there? I dunno. I'd kind of tend to come down on no.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 12:12 PM (zZu0s)

375 nood

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at December 07, 2023 12:12 PM (krqg6)

376 I completely forgot about Chicken KEEV. It's been a while: Hate the media more!

Posted by: DOYLE at December 07, 2023 12:12 PM (Z8Yh2)

377 Nood.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 07, 2023 12:12 PM (1Z8zZ)

378 372 Was this a par 3 hole?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 11:57 AM (ntk8v)

The Boswell spawn was playing with her golf pro one day and they came up on some 237 yrd par 3 hole - one of the longest in NY, actually - and he hit some three iron downwind right onto the green and birdied it - my daughter never forgot that.
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I like the 180 yard par 3's with an elevated tee. I use a soft eight iron.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 07, 2023 12:13 PM (ntk8v)

379 I've been expecting a package containing hand carved duck decoys since Monday. I am worried as the package keeps moving through the USPS system, but seems to spend two days at each stop.

Either it is just missing the outgoing mail truck, or they are having to keep taping a mangled box together.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 07, 2023 12:13 PM (aD39U)

380 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 07, 2023 12:08 PM (Zz0t1)

Does she actually play golf or is this just a boobfest of a woman dressed up for show?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 07, 2023 12:13 PM (RSbhh)

381 @349

>>Ace saw it the day before, right? Did he say anything about it?

It's a really, REALLY, good film.

It's essentially a WWII drama about love, loss and longing, about the spirit to prevail, about duty and coping with internal failures, with an angry 300ft nuclear fire breathing monster as a side story.

Imagine Spildberg, Miyazake and Michael Bay making a movie and you have Godzilla Minus One.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2023 12:13 PM (rc3Z7)

382 If oil is the justification to spend American treasure and perhaps blood in the Middle East, why settle for a half-way job of establishing an ersatz empire? Why prop up the House of Saud as puppet emperors on the promise they'll sell us cheap oil? Why not establish our own empire?

Invade, kill off the resistance, garrison troops to secure the oil infrastructure, bid out contracts to oil companies to produce the oil, bomb anybody who looks crosswise at us back into the stone age. Go full Roman, be the Khan, do empire right.

Why not? Can it be more expensive and less dependable than the current situation?

Posted by: Joe Doakes at December 07, 2023 12:14 PM (qe84H)

383 Nood!

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 07, 2023 12:14 PM (nnp+f)

384 If the Maidan coup was a popular revolt why did the people vote for the same "pro-Russian" platform in their next election? Of course he either decided not to, or was unable to, end the war against those people...

When the Euromaidan Revolution began in late 2013, Poroshenko became an increasingly active and vocal supporter. He had worked long to try to steer the Yanukovych administration toward European integration. ...Poroshenko gave a speech on Maidan and used his Channel 5 television station to support and give voice to the protestors...
Campaigning as independent, socially conservative party that would be tough on both Ukraine’s entrenched corruption and new conflicts in the separatist republics in the east

https://tinyurl.com/3h3vnj3j

This is easy stuff to look up. Just saying.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 12:15 PM (I/Qkd)

385 It's not an either/or. Trump had effectively solved the problem, for virtually no money. Had he been allowed to complete the wall, we'd no longer be discussing this.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2023 11:19 AM

President Trump did not come close to solving the border issue. He came close to resolving the issue of not having a full border wall. But that is only a small part of the massive problem that is illegal alien invasion.

The bigger issue is lack of enforcement of immigration laws. And lack of enforcement of the existing border wall and fence. There are numerous videos showing border patrol actually facilitating the entrance of illegal aliens into the country. Not doing their jobs to enforce current laws.

There are also numerous immigration laws on the books which punish companies for hiring illegal aliens. Those laws are not enforced. There are also numerous laws on the books to deport illegal aliens for crimes of being here illegally and for committing crimes on top of being here illegally. Those laws are not enforced. This is in addition to the fact that we have states across the country who deem themselves "sanctuary" for illegal aliens.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 07, 2023 12:18 PM (UKWFA)

386 I am late to the conversation.
This was a good post by CBD.
But I would add a minor caveat.
Countries don't have friends or allies.
They have interests.

Posted by: EFG at December 07, 2023 12:19 PM (WddDT)

387
Korea is an example of the dark side of both Israel and Taiwan example though. Could they defend themselves against NorKo? Do we NEED to be there? I dunno. I'd kind of tend to come down on no.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 07, 2023 12:12 PM (zZu0s)

That sound like a Realist foreign policy position, kind of like CBD mentioned. I am more there myself. I think our attempt at regime changes are bad. But, if a democracy , say it was not Israel in the ME, But an England or France, was surrounded by bloodthirsty enemies who attacked it, I would want to support it. We kind of did that in WWII. Initially , before pearl harbor. I do not know what Guyana contributed to US economy, but I know it is being invaded by Venezuela - Iran's partner in crime, and I think we need to offer help there.

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2023 12:20 PM (V13WU)

388 Americans should support Israel privately. America sucks at fighting wars in the middle East under ridiculous rules of engagement and getting the DOD to lord over the IDF would only interfere with the mission.

Posted by: Josh Brolin's Blistered Taint at December 07, 2023 12:22 PM (rKBJv)

389 150,000 Russian tanks was the reason we were supposed to surrender Europe in the 70's. Don't doubt they ever existed.

But, I understand. My dad and his buddies were out in front of Elsenborn Ridge in Dec 1944, and to a man they thought they were cut up by King Tigers. When some historian pointed out 50 years later that there were only a handful of King Tigers on the whole front, the division newspaper editor said to me that once you'd seen one King Tiger, every German tank looked like a King Tiger -- for the rest of your life.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 07, 2023 12:24 PM (FCs/J)

390 It is my viewpoint we're not sufficiently brutal in our responses to terrorist provocation and attacks. Until the mere thought of angering us brings bowel loosening fear on the terrorists part the lesson is unlearned.

No quarter, no mercy of any kind. To ANY if them, down to the least.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 07, 2023 12:32 PM (KATBx)

391 We can defend American interests (defined as access to foreign oil, if we choose to accept the falsity that foreign oil is even required) in the Middle East without giving another penny or thought to Israel.

Posted by: Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at December 07, 2023 12:41 PM (3TRnD)

392 "No; America should not abandon one of its most loyal allies ...". USS Liberty, anyone?

Posted by: Jerome at December 07, 2023 01:58 PM (DClcn)

393 It's almost as if we're being given another chance to see if we can get it right.

Or maybe to get it wronger (blow the whole world up so we can start over with new species.) As it stands we're still the same ol' a*holes doing the same a*hole things with those same ol' a*holes in the same a*hole places. Thus we wind up in the same a*hole spot.

Time to remove those choices? Seems we can't count on Meter of Doom.

Not even Sun stunning Solar Flare doesn't do much of anything. We really need to get things moving and not sitting around waiting for Mother Nature to start something.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 07, 2023 02:01 PM (UPbu1)

394 "No; America should not abandon one of its most loyal allies ...". USS Liberty, anyone?
Posted by: Jerome at December 07, 2023 01:58 PM (DClcn)

Let us not forget "Fifty-Four Forty or Fight!". Canada has sucked our lifeblood enough.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 07, 2023 02:27 PM (aD39U)

395 I used to be a neocon. Then I noticed that neocons did not want to block the borders. So I realized that their avowed goals were not their actual goals.

What's good for America?

Lock the borders, kick out the Muzzies, and pretty much all immigrants. Rebuild our industry. Get oil going in America, and nuke power. Build chip fabs so that we can slowly disengage from Taiwan. Stop all foreign aid.

We won't do that. It makes too much sense, and it makes it harder for grifters.

Posted by: Eric2 at December 07, 2023 10:01 PM (t7mrP)

396 CBD and his fellow travelers in the comments section are why elections don't matter as the interventionists will always be in power. You rant everyday against the globalist agenda, and then you turn around and give a full throated defense of American involvement overseas we'd find in 2005 National Review.

The sad fact is if a Republican president got us into the Ukraine war, this blog and most of these commentators would still be supporting that war purely out of partisan instinct. You smear isolationists as anti semites while the so-called responsible adults in charge of our foreign policy have so poisoned America's image that the rest of the world honestly sees is as the imperial forces of repression. Maybe a little isolationist policy would go a long way.

Posted by: Eric at December 08, 2023 12:12 PM (4aCYj)

397 I'm not proposing "abandoning our closest ally and the only functional democracy in the middle east," but I do worry that we're going to get neck-deep in another proxy war over there and I don't want that, either.

I think the best thing we can do for Israel is to just let them be. Let them conduct their maneuvers against Hamas without interference, or without so much as a comment from President shit-for-brains. Their right to sovereign defense is just as valid as any country's. But that doesn't mean we have to put American lives on the line or dump untold billions of dollars of taxpayer money down a hole.

Posted by: Gryph at December 08, 2023 01:36 PM (aCVzN)

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