House Report: Illegal Immigration Costs Americans $451 <i>Billion</i> Every Single Year

House Report: Illegal Immigration Costs Americans $451 Billion Every Single Year

But the Democrat Party needs new illegal voters so it's a steal!

Caring for illegal aliens currently within the United States could cost American taxpayers up to $451 billion per year, a Monday interim staff report from House Republicans has concluded.
Originally obtained by the New York Post, the 49-page report entitled "The Historic Dollar Costs of DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas' Open-Border Policies" became public the same day that the House voted to refer a resolution to impeach the eponymous security official to the Homeland Security Committee.
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"Every day, millions of American taxpayer dollars are spent on costs directly associated with illegal immigration and the unprecedented crisis at the Southwest border sparked by Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas' policies," the report begins. "Only a small fraction is ever recouped from the taxes paid by illegal aliens, with the rest falling on the shoulders of American citizens and lawful residents."
"Mass illegal immigration, accelerated by Mayorkas' open-borders policies, now represents a massive cost to the federal government and state governments alike, as well as the pocketbooks of private citizens and businesses," it continues. "The range of costs inflicted by Mayorkas' border crisis cover everything from emergency medical care to increased demands on law enforcement to housing and shelter benefits for illegal aliens."
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In the end, Republicans drew damning conclusions about Mayorkas' job performance from the data.
"It is morally unacceptable that American taxpayer dollars should be funneled to those who violate our laws and demand expansive, taxpayer-funded benefits like education, health care, housing, and more," the report went on. "Many of these individuals will likely represent a drain on American society for the remainder of their days in the United States, constantly absorbing more benefits from the state than they ever contribute--to say nothing of the fact that they have no lawful basis to remain in the country to begin with."

Eight Republicans voted with Democrats to derail Marjorie Taylor-Greene's impeachment action against Mayorkas.

The vote was 209-201. 12 Democrats and 12 Republicans did not vote. The eight no votes were Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO), Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA), Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC), Rep. John Duarte (R-CA), Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC), Rep. Cliff Bentz (R-OR), and Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH).

Meanwhile, CNN writes up a Trump Press Release, mistakenly believing it's a hit piece.

Former President Donald Trump is planning a widespread expansion of his first administration's hardline immigration policies if he is elected to a second term in 2024, including rounding up undocumented immigrants already in the US and placing them in detention camps to await deportation, a source familiar with the plans confirmed to CNN.
The plans, first reported by The New York Times, would necessitate building large camps to house migrants waiting for deportation and tapping federal and local law enforcement to assist with large-scale arrests of undocumented immigrants across the country.
Should Congress refuse to fund the operation, Trump could turn to a tactic used in his first term to secure more funding for a border wall -- redirecting funds from the Pentagon, the source confirmed.
News of the proposals comes after Trump at a rally in Florida on Wednesday promised to conduct "the largest domestic deportation operation in American history" and argued criminals were coming through the US-Mexico border and warned of "young, strong people that had bad intentions."

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:08 PM

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1 Good afternoon Ace

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2023 12:08 PM (qqAUN)

2 That aint the half of it.

Posted by: fd at November 14, 2023 12:08 PM (tIsq8)

3 If we spend 1.5 trillion every few months, I assume 1 trillion of that is absolute waste.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 14, 2023 12:09 PM (rJ7Hd)

4 Caring for illegal aliens currently within the United States could cost American taxpayers up to $451 billion per year, a Monday interim staff report from House Republicans has concluded.
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I have it on good authority - after all, it comes from literally every public office, television news channel, university classroom, etc. - that illegal aliens cost *nothing* and are in fact net contributors because they still pay sales taxes but are ineligible for - and receive no - government services at all!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:09 PM (d04cU)

5 Some illegal aliens who made the trek to Chicago from Venezuela and other places are so disillusioned with their experiences that they are headed back to their home country.

Venezuelan Michael Castejon, 39, told the Chicago Tribune that he feels lied to about how he and his wife and daughter would find a better life in the United States.

“The American Dream doesn’t exist anymore,” Castejon lamented. “There’s nothing here for us. We just want to be home.”

The Venezuelan couple expected to come to this country and be handed all sorts of wonderful benefits, and they especially wanted their daughter enrolled in a free U.S. school.

Instead, when they got to Chicago, they discovered that the city had been pushed to the edge, far past its ability to service the multitude of illegals arriving there. The Castejons were relegated to the floor of a police station for a while, then shunted to another temporary shelter.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 14, 2023 12:09 PM (l10hq)

6 Former President Donald Trump is planning a widespread expansion of his first administration's hardline immigration policies if he is elected to a second term in 2024, including rounding up undocumented immigrants already in the US and placing them in detention camps to await deportation, a source familiar with the plans confirmed to CNN.
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Be still my heart!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:10 PM (d04cU)

7 Actuallly, I'm surprised the amount is that low.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:10 PM (JrojV)

8 It's who they are

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 14, 2023 12:10 PM (zjgNU)

9 Hiya Ace !

What didja do with Sharon ?

Posted by: JT at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (T4tVD)

10 Instead, when they got to Chicago, they discovered that the city had been pushed to the edge, far past its ability to service the multitude of illegals arriving there. The Castejons were relegated to the floor of a police station for a while, then shunted to another temporary shelter.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 14, 2023 12:09 PM (l10hq)

Hey, you fucked up! You trusted us!!!

Posted by: The Left at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (i9ffA)

11 Wow. That's almost as much money as Disney will lose on The Marvels and its other stanktastic woke garbage!

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (iFTx/)

12 House kills Mayorkas impeachment

https://tinyurl.com/4x4wamrf

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (v0R5T)

13 I have it on good authority - after all, it comes from literally every public office, television news channel, university classroom, etc. - that illegal aliens cost *nothing* and are in fact net contributors because they still pay sales taxes but are ineligible for - and receive no - government services at all!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:09 PM (d04cU)

I'm betting a lot of people actually believed that... right up until Wheels, and DeSantis, started shipping "large" numbers of "undocumented citizens" north.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (zhLdt)

14 News of the proposals comes after Trump at a rally in Florida on Wednesday promised to conduct "the largest domestic deportation operation in American history" and argued criminals were coming through the US-Mexico border and warned of "young, strong people that had bad intentions."
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The last sentence is certainly true. An invasion is an invasion. We're being colonized and doing nothing to stop it. It's a monumental disaster.

But the former is probably just so many nice words. I don't think he can do it. It isn't about money, it's about people in the government following their orders to go do it. They won't.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (d04cU)

15 In the end, Republicans drew damning conclusions about Mayorkas' job performance from the data.

Yet, Clark Kent Johnson couldn't keep his team from voting to sideline the Myorkas impeachment. He is a weak man and everyone knows it.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (l10hq)

16 Diversity is our strength!

But we have to lower our standards and spend an extra half-trillion dollars a year for all that strength.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (kqTFA)

17 Break our laws, in return we put you up in a 4 star hotel and give you meals, etc.
In what world is this reasonable?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 14, 2023 12:12 PM (MeG8a)

18 Willowed:

The sky is high and the emperor is far away

From Fiddler on the Roof:
"Rabbi, may I ask you a question?"
"Certainly my son."
"Is there a proper blessing for the tsar?"
"A blessing for the tsar? OF course: May God bless and keep the tsar....far away from us!"
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

May God keep him like a chandelier. Hung by day and burn by night.
(Apologies to JJ Sefton)

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:12 PM (XZrr7)

19 YES, MAYBE, but the voters have to suffer that cost.

The BUSINESSES not only get to save money by hiring illegal aliens, but ALSO save on all wages as the increased workforce brings wages down in general.

WON'T SOMEONE think of the big businesses!?!?

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 14, 2023 12:12 PM (zjgNU)

20 The Communist News Network is pushing the Deep State opening of the Gulags for conservatives onto Trump

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2023 12:12 PM (qqAUN)

21 The report is fatally flawed. It does not include the benefits the rest of us reap from the many different cuisines we now have available for sampling. That's got to be worth $0.5T easily.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 14, 2023 12:12 PM (I/Qkd)

22 It was mentioned earlier this morning.

This is only an estimate of government costs. I haven't read the details, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's only federal taxpayer costs.

I bet it's at least $3T per year by private individuals once all the theft, job losses, DUIs, food and clothing drives and other charity, etc. are taken into account.

And the South has been shouldering this crap for decades now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged at November 14, 2023 12:12 PM (DxFDO)

23 News of the proposals comes after Trump at a rally in Florida on Wednesday promised to conduct "the largest domestic deportation operation in American history"

Operation Wetback II?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:13 PM (XZrr7)

24 Former President Donald Trump is planning a widespread expansion of his first administration's hardline immigration policies if he is elected to a second term in 2024, including rounding up undocumented immigrants already in the US and placing them in detention camps to await deportation, a source familiar with the plans confirmed to CNN.
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Be still my heart!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:10 PM (d04cU)

Is that the same as "it moved"?

Posted by: Doof at November 14, 2023 12:13 PM (KiP3I)

25 ... Venezuelan Michael Castejon, 39, told the Chicago Tribune that he feels lied to about how he and his wife and daughter would find a better life in the United States.

“The American Dream doesn’t exist anymore,” Castejon lamented. “There’s nothing here for us. We just want to be home.” ...
Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 14, 2023 12:09 PM (l10hq)
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Oh fuck directly off back home. Do it. Get the hell out.

Last I checked, "I'll commit a crime to enter illegally, commit more crimes to obscure my origin and work illegally, then consume welfare benefits illegally forever" is not "The American Dream." Piss off back home.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:13 PM (d04cU)

26 Everyone should be aware that the terror threat level from illegal immigration has increased significantly. The way in which illegal immigration is occurring actually makes it hard for agencies to formulate the threat assessment. That's because they largely have no idea who is coming in, or whether the people they have caught are legitimately who they claim to be. That's before we get to people who they have let in, and are presently forming the base of support for the pro-Hamas rally's. Keep up your SA in public places, folks.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2023 12:13 PM (H/XYA)

27 I support Trump on all of this, but somehow like 95% of this wall wasn’t built. even with a Republican Congress.

But Google and Facebook got their taxes slashed in half.

Trump could have simply just used the military to police the border and bypassed congress.

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:13 PM (YY01b)

28 If we spend 1.5 trillion every few months, I assume 1 trillion of that is absolute waste.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 14, 2023 12:09 PM (rJ7Hd)

More like 1.8 trillion is waste since a portion of the federal dollars spent, while technically spent for their designated purpose, are for a purpose which, in turn, generates additional waste.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:14 PM (zhLdt)

29 The plans, first reported by The New York Times, would necessitate building large camps to house migrants waiting for deportation and tapping federal and local law enforcement to assist with large-scale arrests of undocumented immigrants across the country.

Ejaculations? 6.4

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 14, 2023 12:14 PM (aD39U)

30 Venezuelan Michael Castejon, 39, told the Chicago Tribune that he feels lied to about how he and his wife and daughter would find a better life in the United States.

“The American Dream doesn’t exist anymore,” Castejon lamented. “There’s nothing here for us. We just want to be home.”

Fuck you, Mikey. The American Dream doesn't exist for me either and I'm an actual America who worked my ass of for it my whole life. Fuck off back to Venezuela.

Posted by: American Dream's become a fucking lie anyway at November 14, 2023 12:14 PM (HBnmy)

31 Should Congress refuse to fund the operation, Trump could turn to a tactic used in his first term to secure more funding for a border wall -- redirecting funds from the Pentagon, the source confirmed.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:08 PM

Redirect ALL Pentagon funds to the border.

Maybe pay for upkeep on Naval ships/aircraft. Maybe.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 14, 2023 12:14 PM (zjgNU)

32 Doing the jobs Americans won't do by spending money Americans don't have.

PS: name a program that benefits America citizens that costs $500 million

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 14, 2023 12:14 PM (kqTFA)

33 They laugh and laugh. They don't give a fuck.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 14, 2023 12:14 PM (Jf477)

34 'The eight no votes were '

from the dogshit caucus.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 14, 2023 12:14 PM (64Xd5)

35 warned of "young, strong people that had bad intentions."

States with 10 round magazine limits hardest hit.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at November 14, 2023 12:14 PM (kt+Zf)

36 "But the Democrat Party needs new illegal voters so it's a steal!"

That and companies need cheap labor. And affluent families need cheap nannies and pool boys. And of course cheap sex workers. Voters, laborers, whores. It's the perfect trifecta.

Illegal immigration will never end. Everyone who has some power over the issue wants it. Needs it. Will die without it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 14, 2023 12:15 PM (iFTx/)

37 Gee, I wonder how before the "mysterious pallet of brick delivery company" steps up to AK's and ammo?

Posted by: Paladin at November 14, 2023 12:15 PM (iBtsV)

38 Imagine if we had rational immigration law?
With that money we'd have a permanent base on the moon and people on mars. Now, because we don't have rational immigration laws, we will have neither.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 14, 2023 12:15 PM (uSHSS)

39 The plans, first reported by The New York Times, would necessitate building large camps to house migrants waiting for deportation and tapping federal and local law enforcement to assist with large-scale arrests of undocumented immigrants across the country.

Ejaculations? 6.4
Posted by: G'rump928

*snort

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:15 PM (XZrr7)

40 7 Actuallly, I'm surprised the amount is that low.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Doesn't count second and third order effects--e.g. depressing the local wages so that citizens often go on welfare as well, property tax increases for services, and so on.

Posted by: whig at November 14, 2023 12:15 PM (P1Zkh)

41 Actuallly, I'm surprised the amount is that low.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:10 PM (JrojV)

It's only DIRECT costs.

I'm betting it leaves out indirect costs, such as paying for anchor children (SNAP, Education, etc...), wage loss for workers, uninsured motorist costs, etc...

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 14, 2023 12:15 PM (zjgNU)

42 Something needs to be done. I’m a compassionate person but we need to get our own house in order before we take in all the unwashed masses who want to destroy this nation from the inside.

Close the border and deport them all. And they are excluded from becoming citizens forever.

Posted by: Czech Chick at November 14, 2023 12:15 PM (0rsFX)

43 Yet, Clark Kent Johnson couldn't keep his team from voting to sideline the Myorkas impeachment. He is a weak man and everyone knows it.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (l10hq)

If only McCarthy were still Speaker things would be better.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:16 PM (zhLdt)

44 I remember way back when the Democrats assured us the illegals weren't costing us a penny. They paid taxes on every day items. They also pay into social security and never draw a penny out because they are illegal.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I stand with Israel and all Jews everywhere at November 14, 2023 12:16 PM (6TzTY)

45 I'm betting a lot of people actually believed that... right up until Wheels, and DeSantis, started shipping "large" numbers of "undocumented citizens" north.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (zhLdt)
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I misjudged that action. I thought - because I was being logical - that it was irrelevant because the numbers shunted up to blue cities by those governors just weren't big enough. This is, in fact, true. It's a drop in the ocean.

But it mattered anyway, because it forced the issue and, crucially, gave the blue state governors and mayors air cover to start talking about the catastrophic consequences of our non-border policy - safely blaming it on DeSantis and Abbot while doing so, even though they barely even contributed to the problem. It was a narrative play, not a practical play and I failed to understand that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:16 PM (d04cU)

46 >>“The American Dream doesn’t exist anymore,” Castejon lamented. “There’s nothing here for us. We just want to be home.”

Head South.

Don't stop until you clear Panama.

Don't Collect $200.

Posted by: garrett at November 14, 2023 12:16 PM (E/EBH)

47 Should Congress refuse to fund the operation, Trump could turn to a tactic used in his first term to secure more funding for a border wall -- redirecting funds from the Pentagon, the source confirmed.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 12:08 PM

Redirect ALL ~~Pentagon~~ funds to the border.

Maybe pay for upkeep on Naval ships/aircraft. Maybe.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian

Fixed.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:16 PM (XZrr7)

48 Illegal immigration will never end. Everyone who has some power over the issue wants it. Needs it. Will die without it.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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It will end as it usually does; in tears and bloodshed.
No trend ever goes forever and this trend of accelerating the burn means that a crisis point is approaching.

Posted by: whig at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (P1Zkh)

49 Also House Republicans: "Why no, we do not wish to impeach Secretary Mayorkas"

I'm sure the GOPs turnout problem is just a co-inc-ee-dink.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (zdYK9)

50 I remember reading in the late 90s that ten cents of every dollar of federal money actually reached the end destination, and the other 90 cents was all job creation (and now we know money laundering).

I assume it's one or two cents now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (DxFDO)

51 Johnson’s decision to accede to Democrats’ demands to toss Mayorkas’s impeachment into a committee recycling bin comes the same afternoon as Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) announced support for Johnson’s continuing resolution (CR) government funding plan.

I suppose Johnson was told that the privileged resolution was dead in the Senate, so he went with what he could get. I'd have gone the other way. He's stuck with a CR for the present.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (I/Qkd)

52 We could use a few good men and women, but they have to be processed on a merit based system.

No welfare for the new migrants for five years
Learn English (or speak English before arriving)
learn the constitution and obey laws

surely there is already some program set up for making migrants American? (maybe they should not be allowed in the America hating schools? vouchers instead?)

Posted by: illiniwek at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (Cus5s)

53 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)

54 The report is fatally flawed. It does not include the benefits the rest of us reap from the many different cuisines we now have available for sampling. That's got to be worth $0.5T easily.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 14, 2023 12:12 PM (I/Qkd)

Don't forget about the many, many diverse diseases and parasites which are being vibrantly introduced to the US.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (zhLdt)

55 Welfare, schooling, health care, earned monet being sent out of country, , taking jobs from citizens, committing crimes without penalty, insurance cases not covered,.

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (qqAUN)

56 >>I'm surprised the amount is that low.

Spoiler:

It. Isn't.

Posted by: garrett at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (E/EBH)

57 What do you expect from a crime-ridden shithole like DC?

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (v0R5T)

58 The ULTIMATE in buying votes by Democrats.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)

59 Trump could have simply just used the military to police the border and bypassed congress.
Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:13 PM (YY01b)
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He could possibly have ordered them to do so. They wouldn't have done it, and then the "emergency injunctions" would have finished it before a single boot had been laced up.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:17 PM (d04cU)

60 that illegal aliens cost *nothing* and are in fact net contributors because they still pay sales taxes but are ineligible for - and receive no - government services at all!

A few years ago, a Left-wing group in Portland tried to make that argument, by pointing out all the state and local taxes illegals paid.

They managed to demonstrate that the average illegal paid one-quarter the taxes of the average Oregonian.

But that's OK, because I'm sure that the average illegal uses only one-quarter the average governmental services of the average Oregonian. /s

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 14, 2023 12:18 PM (YAtuc)

61 Instead, when they got to Chicago, they discovered that the city had been pushed to the edge, far past its ability to service the multitude of illegals arriving there. The Castejons were relegated to the floor of a police station for a while, then shunted to another temporary shelter.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 14, 2023 12:09 PM (l10hq)

stop, stop.

i can only get so erect...

Posted by: SturmToddler at November 14, 2023 12:18 PM (KZaqS)

62 States are running out of taxpayer money to fund this garbage. The federal government is running out of funds they have used as an end around Congress. That means all the illegal immigrants who are not self sufficient and have been let in by subverting federal immigration policy, are starting to see some of their handouts dry up. That is why there is a big rush in Blue States to handout work permits to illegal immigrants. You can find out who is hiring these people in many states. You can also ask any business you may employ whether they hire illegals immigrants. Do not patronize these business and encourage this crap. Certainly do not let these people in your home.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2023 12:18 PM (H/XYA)

63 43
'If only McCarthy were still Speaker things would be better.'

I wish that one guy would quit sucking McCarthy's dick.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 14, 2023 12:18 PM (64Xd5)

64 What was the cost to the couple from Georgia that was killed in a head on collision in Texas with an SUV full of illegals?

Posted by: fd at November 14, 2023 12:18 PM (tIsq8)

65 The plans, first reported by The New York Times, would necessitate building large camps to house migrants waiting for deportation and tapping federal and local law enforcement to assist with large-scale arrests of undocumented immigrants across the country.

Ejaculations? 6.4

Posted by: G'rump928(c)

-

(gets out Bible)

Wait, what?

Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged at November 14, 2023 12:18 PM (DxFDO)

66 Yet, Clark Kent Johnson couldn't keep his team from voting to sideline the Myorkas impeachment. He is a weak man and everyone knows it.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 14, 2023 12:11 PM (l10hq)

You're a weak man. Say, this is fun.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 14, 2023 12:19 PM (I/Qkd)

68 AUDIO IS BACK!

Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged at November 14, 2023 12:19 PM (DxFDO)

69 451 Billion isn't too high a number I think

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2023 12:19 PM (qqAUN)

70 So we need the names of the 12 "Republicans" who didn't vote.

Posted by: Reforger at November 14, 2023 12:20 PM (mihEW)

71 In GA., a Democrat county commissioner found passed out in the street becomes belligerent when EMTs arrive. This is pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj6eFN4DKLk

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 14, 2023 12:20 PM (MeG8a)

72 Make Operation Wetback Great Again!

Sadly, even if Trump is elected, I expect this to end up just as much of a sick joke as lock her up or the media is the enemy of the American people.

One thing about being a chronic depressive cynic - you're never disappointed.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 14, 2023 12:20 PM (Q0kLU)

73 Originally obtained by the New York Post, the 49-page report entitled "The Historic Dollar Costs of DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas' Open-Border Policies" became public the same day that the House voted to refer a resolution to impeach the eponymous security official to the Homeland Security Committee.

...

No standing.

Posted by: Republicans Voting on Impeachment at November 14, 2023 12:20 PM (Zz0t1)

74 There’s nothing to be compassionate about. These people flooding the border just want our money. That’s all this is.

They know they can break in here and take one of our jobs that pay more and send the money back home

It’s not like they are fleeing some bombed out war zone. They’re here for the cold hard cash.

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:20 PM (YY01b)

75 42 Something needs to be done. I’m a compassionate person but we need to get our own house in order before we take in all the unwashed masses who want to destroy this nation from the inside.

Like we don't already have enough homegrowns who want to destroy this nation from the inside.

Posted by: See eg Democrats at November 14, 2023 12:21 PM (HBnmy)

76 The report is fatally flawed. It does not include the benefits the rest of us reap from the many different cuisines we now have available for sampling. That's got to be worth $0.5T easily.

I love that liberals actually claim that. Like you can't have non-US food in restaurants without unlimited illegal immigration. Maybe that's why they go so hard on "cultural appropriation" though.

1) You can't cook foreign food without being cancelled
2) Unlimited illegal immigration
3) Enchiladas

Posted by: Ian S. at November 14, 2023 12:21 PM (2ocoG)

77 "The plans, first reported by The New York Times, would necessitate building large camps to house migrants waiting for deportation and tapping federal and local law enforcement to assist with large-scale arrests of undocumented immigrants across the country."

Meh. I'll go one better. Build huge catapults and trebuchets and just fling these motherfuckers back over the border . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 14, 2023 12:21 PM (iFTx/)

78
The only way this comes to a screeching halt is for someone to go into the govmint printing office and bust up their intaglio printing presses.

No new money???!!! What will we do? We got elected to spend money and now we can't?

Now violence is not the answer. This little fantasy is just that.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 14, 2023 12:21 PM (enJYY)

79 >>House Report: Illegal Immigration Costs Americans $451 Billion Every Single Year...

And one Constitutional Republic.

People always seem to forget that part.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 14, 2023 12:21 PM (XV/Pl)

80 Go look at your local emergency room or healthcare services and tell me how many illegal immigrants are there or have been treated. Then tell me where that expense to the taxpayers shows up in all these numbers claiming these people are beneficial.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2023 12:21 PM (H/XYA)

81 Once in college I used the word "ejaculation" in the sense of "exclamation."

Hilarity ensued.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:21 PM (JrojV)

82 If they're willing to admit that figure, you can bet it's likely 10 times that amount.

Yeah, I'm far too young to be so cynical ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 14, 2023 12:22 PM (mJoZW)

83 Silly, you don't need votes. You just need ballots.

Posted by: Dominon Systems at November 14, 2023 12:22 PM (SPofi)

84 “The American Dream doesn’t exist anymore,” Castejon lamented. “There’s nothing here for us. We just want to be home.”
.......

Pffft. One out of millions.

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2023 12:22 PM (v0R5T)

85 “The American Dream doesn’t exist anymore,” Castejon lamented. “There’s nothing here for us. We just want to be home.” ...

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Then go home and tell all your friends and family NOT to come here either...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 14, 2023 12:22 PM (YIVH2)

86 77
'Build huge catapults and trebuchets and just fling these motherfuckers back over the border . . . .'

That would be the funniest human right violation ever. I for one would look the other way if it ever happened.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 14, 2023 12:22 PM (64Xd5)

87 The plan to build internment camps on the road to deportation is a good one. But much more can and should be done, stuff that would actually cost nothing and make them want to self-deport.

Make life hell for them. There are two other things - purely administrative - that I think must be done along with deportations and clamping down the border:
1. Immediately cut off all "sanctuary" jurisdictions from all federal outlay at every level. No law enforcement help, no transit funds, no highway funds, no school funds, no medical funds. Nothing. Shut off the tap, entirely, until those governments repudiate their "sanctuary" positions and begin enthusiastically cooperating with deportation.
2. Tax remittances to Latin America at punitive rates. Any transfer to anywhere in Latin America less than $25,000 is taxed at 75%. Use the money raised - which will be minimal, but that's not the point - to fund deportation operations.

Take away their defense structure and take away their ability to send money "back home" to the cartels, and a lot of them will self-deport.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:22 PM (d04cU)

88 I think I read something about state law enforcement being deputized to handle immigration enforcement directly...which would allow border states to operate in tandem with federal forces...puts more skin in the game and disallows the Feds to circumvent the immigration laws.

Posted by: Orson at November 14, 2023 12:22 PM (dIske)

89 A YouTube travel guy posted a video the other day of his trip through the Darian Gap between Columbia and Panama, a crucial segment of the route illegals use when moving north from Venezuela before invading the USA. He plans to follow the entire used by the illegals.

https://youtu.be/aswvkdCpZYc

Posted by: Lost In Space at November 14, 2023 12:23 PM (jD8+G)

90 https://tinyurl.com/bdar74ee

I'm not stupid enough to see anything as the silver bullet to our modern set of problems, but something we ought to at least try is force the courts to define what it means to be able to assemble freely under the first amendment.

Doesn't it mean you have to be able to travel to any given place, and do so safely? And don't our modern homelessness, immigration, environmental, and non-prosecution-of-crimes policies all infringe upon that right?

Probably intentionally so.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at November 14, 2023 12:23 PM (GD2xa)

91
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj6eFN4DKLk
Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 14, 2023 12:20 PM (MeG8a)

Fam.

Posted by: Bedshit Cray Cynthia McKinney at November 14, 2023 12:23 PM (Zz0t1)

92 What's the difference between a catapult and a trebuchet?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:23 PM (JrojV)

93 Once in college I used the word "ejaculation" in the sense of "exclamation."

All of the Agatha Christie novels use it that way too. Makes Poirot seem much edgier than he is.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 14, 2023 12:23 PM (2ocoG)

94 It seems every government's fondest wish is to load people into camps.

If only I believed that these camps would be used to house cartels, traffickers and other scum.

But my sweet summer child days are long gone.

Posted by: Just Lily at November 14, 2023 12:24 PM (KviSY)

95 Deportation?

You son of a bitch I'm in!

Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at November 14, 2023 12:24 PM (VMFAF)

96 The plans, first reported by The New York Times, would necessitate building large camps to house migrants waiting for deportation and tapping federal and local law enforcement to assist with large-scale arrests of undocumented immigrants across the country.

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Make Bounty Hunting Great Again!

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 14, 2023 12:24 PM (mJoZW)

97 Oh man, I bet there's $2T/year blown in free clinics alone.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged at November 14, 2023 12:24 PM (DxFDO)

98 "A law repugnant to the Constitution is void. An act of Congress repugnant to the Constitution cannot become a law. The Constitution supersedes all other laws and the individual’s rights shall be liberally enforced in favor of him, the clearly intended and expressly designated beneficiary.” –Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 it

What does that mean? When your state passes an unconstitutional "law", there is NO LEGAL DEFENSE against a class action law suit for damages against your state for people damaged by that "law". That is why Washington DC lost the class action law suit filed against them for the "gun laws" they lost in the Heller case.

NY is going to owe BILLIONS in damages for the "Sullivan act" which they lost in NYSRPA vs Bruen.

I talked this over with a lawyer friend of mine who does class action law suits, and the dollar signs in his eyes really lit up. "You're right, they have NO defense, they have to settle."

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 14, 2023 12:24 PM (CecP5)

99 But they'll vote Republican!

Posted by: MJ at November 14, 2023 12:24 PM (zwDuR)

100 The primary purpose, literally the defining feature, of a nation is borders and their controls. When a government abdicates its responsibility to defend those borders it ceases to be legitimate. Since it has a monopoly on force it can remain in power as long as that violence/threat of violence is credible.

The United States is illegitimate now. That's more than the fact a coup installed a puppet government.

The GOP is fine with the cessation of American legitimacy, in case it has not been noticed.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at November 14, 2023 12:24 PM (KSNKu)

101 A YouTube travel guy posted a video the other day of his trip through the Darian Gap between Columbia and Panama, a crucial segment of the route illegals use when moving north from Venezuela before invading the USA. He plans to follow the entire used by the illegals.

https://youtu.be/aswvkdCpZYc

Posted by: Lost In Space

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RIP mister.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged at November 14, 2023 12:24 PM (DxFDO)

102 cheap at that price to maintain and expand their domination.

and it's all play money, anyway unless it's going in their pockets.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 14, 2023 12:25 PM (hXr4C)

103 Speaking of "alternate meanings", there's a Twitter post going around where they wrote the headline "Hamas beats off Gaza residents trying to get humanitarian aid".

Posted by: Ian S. at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (2ocoG)

104 You son of a bitch I'm in!
Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at November 14, 2023 12:24 PM (VMFAF)
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If that guy's in, I'm out.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (d04cU)

105 Every kid that comes over here is easily $1 million each just in public education costs.

Schools are flooded with and for some messed up reason. Some judge decades ago said we have to educate every illegal alien.

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (YY01b)

106 Oh man, I bet there's $2T/year blown in free clinics alone.
Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged
.......

That free healthcare sure is expensive!

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (v0R5T)

107 I think I read something about state law enforcement being deputized to handle immigration enforcement directly...which would allow border states to operate in tandem with federal forces...puts more skin in the game and disallows the Feds to circumvent the immigration laws.
Posted by: Orson at November 14, 2023 12:22 PM (dIske)

Or just be commandeered to help border patrol cut barbed wire fences to let illegals through.

Posted by: This way they can get illegals here even faster at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (HBnmy)

108
Do not patronize these business and encourage this crap. Certainly do not let these people in your home.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 14, 2023 12:18 PM

Outside your home is just as bad because they'll be casing the place and come back when you're gone once they know your schedule. Some Main Line Philadelphia residents are discovering when they go out to dinner between 4pm and 8 pm and come back home to discover they've been robbed. But their lawn and landscaping looks wonderful.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (enJYY)

109 One thing about being a chronic depressive cynic - you're never disappointed.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression)

MP4, I was thinking about you the other day. Have you tried going to church to ease your depression? It helps to ease mine.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (JrojV)

110 The plan to build internment camps on the road to deportation is a good one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:22 PM (d04cU)

* Scratches chin * Hmm, how can I get conservatives to support funding and building the internment camps which they will eventually be imprisoned within?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (zhLdt)

111 92 What's the difference between a catapult and a trebuchet?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:23 PM (JrojV)
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I think a trebuchet is a type of catapult. It's the one that uses the huge counterweights.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (iFTx/)

112 You know how this ends right?

We import millions more people and ship them to deep red territories, while sending billions more dollars to deep blue cities.

Posted by: MJ at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (zwDuR)

113 >>That would be the funniest human right violation ever. I for one would look the other way if it ever happened.

Not me. I'd make book on whether Guatemalans can fly further than Hondurans, etc.. And I'd sell refreshments and t-shirts. I'd make more money than Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (ZLI7S)

114 I don't get it. I don't see a single immigrant on my island. This is fake news.

Posted by: Ted D., Martha's Vineyard, MA at November 14, 2023 12:27 PM (qUkBO)

115 What's the difference between a catapult and a trebuchet?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:23 PM (JrojV)

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Instead of winding a rope around a spindle (catapult), a trebuchet has a counter weight that's heavier than the illegal aliens whom you're throwing.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 14, 2023 12:27 PM (mJoZW)

116 I talked this over with a lawyer friend of mine who does class action law suits, and the dollar signs in his eyes really lit up. "You're right, they have NO defense, they have to settle."

I've long thought the solution to all problems is to make it lucrative for lawyers to do the right thing. Kind of a more cynical version of the lawfare the left uses.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 14, 2023 12:27 PM (2ocoG)

117 It is costing us the Republic.

This one thing more than anything else. Same in Europe.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 14, 2023 12:27 PM (Pg02g)

118 Ask your doctor if EJack is right for you. Don't use EJack if you're allergic to EJack.

Posted by: Legal stuff at November 14, 2023 12:28 PM (SPofi)

119 "...and argued criminals were coming through the US-Mexico border and warned of "young, strong people that had bad intentions."

They forgot to throw in 'without evidence' to make sure the LIV's and lemmings don't start thinking about what they just read.

Posted by: Ripley at November 14, 2023 12:28 PM (JojsZ)

120 Democrats cannot exist without illegals. They count for census purposes but don't vote.

Republicans cannot exist without illegals. Their donors need the cheap illegal labor.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 14, 2023 12:28 PM (CeYzE)

121 “The American Dream doesn’t exist anymore,” Castejon lamented. “There’s nothing here for us. We just want to be home.”
.......

Good luck crossing the border into Mexico.

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2023 12:28 PM (v0R5T)

122 Illegal Immigration Costs Americans $451 Billion Every Single Year

That is the equivalent of 22.5 Ford Class Carriers per year, folks.

Posted by: Archer at November 14, 2023 12:28 PM (gmo/4)

123 If we spend 1.5 trillion every few months

But enough about groceries...

Posted by: t-bird at November 14, 2023 12:28 PM (HjfVN)

124 * Scratches chin * Hmm, how can I get conservatives to support funding and building the internment camps which they will eventually be imprisoned within?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (zhLdt)
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The two aren't related. Or rather, if they are, the relationship is coincidental. When they get to the point of sending masses of people into gulags for political crimes, they'll slap camps together then if they don't already exist. Physical infrastructure for gulags isn't really a consideration because they're easy to build and can be thrown up quickly anyway.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:29 PM (d04cU)

125 Democrats cannot exist without illegals. They count for census purposes but don't vote.

Republicans cannot exist without illegals. Their donors need the cheap illegal labor.

And big business needs the cheap illegal labor because of regulations passed by Democrats.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 14, 2023 12:29 PM (2ocoG)

126 Schools are flooded with and for some messed up reason. Some judge decades ago said we have to educate every illegal alien.
Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (YY01b)

It was a particularly odious decision by the Supreme Court, and it happened here in East Texas. Texas said it was too much of a burden to have to pay to educate all the non-taxpaying non-resident illegal aliens, but the Supremes said "no no no, you gotta do it." So we've been stuck with it ever since then.

Posted by: The Left at November 14, 2023 12:30 PM (i9ffA)

127 But remember, Joe Blow who only makes $36,000 is a lazy bum who doesn't work hard enough.

Posted by: XTC at November 14, 2023 12:30 PM (UnA8+)

128 What's the difference between a catapult and a trebuchet?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:23 PM (JrojV)

Assuming you're serious... a trebuchet is essentially a catapult with the line attached to the swing arm rather than a fixed bucket. As the arm swings, it pulls the line into an arc thereby extending the angular momentum of the payload so that you can throw further/harder.

No doubt this could be explained better but, without using math....

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:30 PM (zhLdt)

129 Can you imagine what would happen if millions of Americans just started going to Mexican schools and clinics and blowing up their budgets.?

They’d all be thrown in some Gulag

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:30 PM (YY01b)

130 Illegal Immigration Costs Americans $451 Billion Every Single Year

The Statue of Liberty commands us.

Posted by: Jm J. Acosta at November 14, 2023 12:30 PM (Zz0t1)

131 Or just be commandeered to help border patrol cut barbed wire fences to let illegals through.

The feds lost a law suit by TX about that cutting of fences, and have been ordered by a federal court to cease and desist from that practice.

Here is the great part of that court order: IF THEY DON'T OBEY, WE CAN ARREST THEM AS INSURGENTS.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 14, 2023 12:31 PM (CecP5)

132 Camps?! Who needs camps? That will just become the issue rather than the cost and impact of millions of illegal immigrants!

Round up a bunch and put them on a military flight home. Rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 14, 2023 12:31 PM (NhB5L)

133 But if we stop illegal immigration what will happen to all of the immigrant aid organizations? Think of all the people who will be out of a job! So many nonprofits depend on donations and immigrants to support. They would suddenly find themselves without a mission!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at November 14, 2023 12:31 PM (R8uWY)

134 But remember, Joe Blow who only makes $36,000 is a lazy bum who doesn't work hard enough.

Posted by: XTC

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I was in roofing.
- Joe Blow

I was in landscaping.
- Joe Blow, Jr.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged at November 14, 2023 12:31 PM (DxFDO)

135 120 Democrats cannot exist without illegals. They count for census purposes but don't vote.

Republicans cannot exist without illegals. Their donors need the cheap illegal labor.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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But the American people can exist quite well without the Democrat or Republican party apparatchiks.

Posted by: whig at November 14, 2023 12:32 PM (P1Zkh)

136 128 Assuming you're serious... a trebuchet is essentially a catapult with the line attached to the swing arm rather than a fixed bucket. As the arm swings, it pulls the line into an arc thereby extending the angular momentum of the payload so that you can throw further/harder.

No doubt this could be explained better but, without using math....
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:30 PM (zhLdt)

Basically a giant Clay Pigeon Thrower?

Posted by: XTC at November 14, 2023 12:32 PM (UnA8+)

137 Go look at your local emergency room or healthcare services and tell me how many illegal immigrants are there or have been treated. Then tell me where that expense to the taxpayers shows up in all these numbers claiming these people are beneficial.
Posted by: Marcus T

Bing "closed border hospitals".

Texas shoulders $74 million of the $200 million uncompensated hospital bills absorbed by the four state border hospitals.
https://tinyurl.com/r6waed7b

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:32 PM (XZrr7)

138 Take away their defense structure and take away their ability to send money "back home" to the cartels, and a lot of them will self-deport.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:22 PM (d04cU)
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The downside to that, of course, is that their families may be held hostage by the cartels, so they'll claim refugee status or some B.S.

As always the best play--as horrific as it is--is to remove the hostages from the equation. When the cartels can no longer use hostages as a bargaining chip, they'll lose power and influence here.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 14, 2023 12:32 PM (YIVH2)

139 Just herd them back to the border crossings and kick them out. Why are we worrying about guest quarters and quality meals? Just send them back the way they arrived.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I stand with Israel and all Jews everywhere at November 14, 2023 12:32 PM (6TzTY)

140 I wish they would stop calling me a taxpayer and call me what I really am: a slave.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (3vCGB)

141 Illegal Immigration Costs Americans $451 Billion Every Single Year
.......

That's a whole lot of walls and bear traps.

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (v0R5T)

142 Probably the worst actor in all of this is the Catholic church, greedy sodomites that they are.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (w9Wax)

143 Yeah but money is just a social construct. We can just print more.
/s

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (xcxpd)

144 It really is hard to get the vocal democrats to understand the costs. They never see any of it, and in fact, benefit from the cheap labor.

But they don't really understand. 99 out of 100 times they will explain illegal immigration in terms of food.

They like exotic tacos, and tapas, and the sheik Persian restaurant next to the Chanel boutique.

Would you deny them all of that enrichment?

Posted by: MJ at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (zwDuR)

145 "Joe Blow "

Stay in your lane, Joe.

Posted by: Comma Lah at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (SPofi)

146 OT: The Israelis have surrounded Al-Shifa hospital, and are pondering how to take the hospital, and the Hamas command bunker under the hospital.

Complicating matters is that there are almost certainly hostages in the command bunker, along with the Hamas leadership.

Hamas is now claiming that "Israeli snipers" have started randomly shooting nurses and patients in the hospital, apparently just for the fun of it.

Expect the calls for a "ceasefire" to reach a crescendo soon.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (YAtuc)

147 124 * Scratches chin * Hmm, how can I get conservatives to support funding and building the internment camps which they will eventually be imprisoned within?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (zhLdt)
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The two aren't related. Or rather, if they are, the relationship is coincidental. When they get to the point of sending masses of people into gulags for political crimes, they'll slap camps together then if they don't already exist. Physical infrastructure for gulags isn't really a consideration because they're easy to build and can be thrown up quickly anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:29 PM (d04cU)

If I didn't know better I'd think you've been living in a cave with no internet service for the last decade.

Don't let them build camps for any reason whatsoever.

Think about how The Patriot Act was for our protection.

Until it wasn't.

Oh wait, you say that's different. It was never for OUR protection.

BINGO!

Posted by: Just Lily at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (KviSY)

148 Here is the great part of that court order: IF THEY DON'T OBEY, WE CAN ARREST THEM AS INSURGENTS.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 14, 2023 12:31 PM (CecP5)
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Okay, NOW it moved...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (YIVH2)

149 The feds lost a law suit by TX about that cutting of fences, and have been ordered by a federal court to cease and desist from that practice.

Here is the great part of that court order: IF THEY DON'T OBEY, WE CAN ARREST THEM AS INSURGENTS.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 14, 2023 12:31 PM (CecP5)

I believe they're now using a forklift to raise the razorwire rather than cutting it so as to not destroy state property.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (zhLdt)

150 Camps?! Who needs camps? That will just become the issue rather than the cost and impact of millions of illegal immigrants!

Round up a bunch and put them on a military flight home. Rinse, repeat.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 14, 2023 12:31 PM (NhB5L)
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We're talking about between 10 and 30 million people. That's a big operation and it will need staging. There is also the problem of laws. What it will need to be is along the lines of a combined prison and court. Something like:
1. Alien is arrested
2. Jurisdiction is transferred to the deportation agency
3. Alien is transferred to a holding facility (the camp, which is legally a jail)
4. Alien is processed through the courts attached to the facility. He makes his claim and it is accepted or rejected quickly. I'd like to see each camp-attached immigration judge process at least six cases per hour, eight hours per day.
5. Once adjudicated, alien is either given papers and released (rare) or transferred to outbound holding for deportation.

A job this big requires buffers, and fairly big ones.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (d04cU)

151 If we deport all the illegals, teenagers will have start working while in high schools and do all the yard work. That would be an unimaginable tragedy.

Posted by: Ripley at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (JojsZ)

152 144 But they don't really understand. 99 out of 100 times they will explain illegal immigration in terms of food.

They like exotic tacos, and tapas, and the sheik Persian restaurant next to the Chanel boutique.

Would you deny them all of that enrichment?

Posted by: MJ at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (zwDuR)

"SAVE OUR SHAWARMA!!!"

--2026 Congressional Campaign Ads

Posted by: XTC at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (UnA8+)

153 But they don't really understand. 99 out of 100 times they will explain illegal immigration in terms of food.

They like exotic tacos, and tapas, and the sheik Persian restaurant next to the Chanel boutique.

Would you deny them all of that enrichment?

Posted by: MJ

We have born and bred Tejanos that know how to cook that. Don't need illegals.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (XZrr7)

154 109 One thing about being a chronic depressive cynic - you're never disappointed.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression)

MP4, I was thinking about you the other day. Have you tried going to church to ease your depression? It helps to ease mine.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (JrojV)

I created you this way. Does the clay say to the potter "why have you made me thus"? Who are you, a mere human being, to talk back to me?

Posted by: God at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (HBnmy)

155 The feds lost a law suit by TX about that cutting of fences, and have been ordered by a federal court to cease and desist from that practice.

The feds stopped cutting the wire. They brought in front loaders to lift the wires so illegals can get through.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (CeYzE)

156 Probably the worst actor in all of this is the Catholic church

What about us?

We brought all the Somalis to Minnesota!

Posted by: Lutheran Family Services! at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (YAtuc)

157 Make life hell for them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Just stop paying them!
No housing, welfare, food.

Most come here for the dole. How stupid are we.
And send a bill and start confiscating assets to all who crossed border and received a penny in support. Education, medical, anything. Seize the cash they send back home.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 14, 2023 12:35 PM (Pg02g)

158 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj6eFN4DKLk
Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 14, 2023 12:20 PM (MeG8a)

Fiddy bucks sez that was her pool of urine they picked her up out of on the sidewalk.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 14, 2023 12:35 PM (/HDaX)

159 37 Gee, I wonder how before the "mysterious pallet of brick delivery company" steps up to AK's and ammo?
Posted by: Paladin at November 14, 2023 12:15 PM (iBtsV)

My guess is its not pallets, but conexes with 'houseware materials'.

Posted by: Pinochet Air Flight Attendant at November 14, 2023 12:35 PM (zL/eJ)

160 Hamas is now claiming that "Israeli snipers" have started randomly shooting nurses and patients in the hospital, apparently just for the fun of it.

Expect the calls for a "ceasefire" to reach a crescendo soon.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (YAtuc)
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Yeah right. As if Hamas would never, ever in a million years disguise themselves as "nurses" and "patients" to take potshots at the IDF from fortified positions inside the hospital. /sarc

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 14, 2023 12:35 PM (YIVH2)

161 A job this big requires buffers, and fairly big ones.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

*West Texas, New Mexico and Arizona have entered the chat.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:36 PM (XZrr7)

162 They'll never be deported. Most of the kids have fake birth certificates and the women coming over get pregnant as soon as they cross.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 14, 2023 12:36 PM (NpAcC)

163 Former President Donald Trump is planning a widespread expansion of his first administration's hardline immigration policies if he is elected to a second term in 2024
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The elections are rigged.

The only thing that might be different this time is that they may cover it up better than the last time. That's assuming they still feel a need to.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 14, 2023 12:36 PM (bAJ1Y)

164 Probably the worst actor in all of this is the Catholic church, greedy sodomites that they are.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks

Wouldn't surprise me if they are blackmailed into the illegals business. Seeing how this fucking cabal operates.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at November 14, 2023 12:36 PM (Jf477)

165 The downside to that, of course, is that their families may be held hostage by the cartels, so they'll claim refugee status or some B.S.

As always the best play--as horrific as it is--is to remove the hostages from the equation. When the cartels can no longer use hostages as a bargaining chip, they'll lose power and influence here.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 14, 2023 12:32 PM (YIVH2)
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They aren't hostages, they're chattels. The cartels don't usually *force* people to go El Norte. They just finance the operation, the family is held as collateral. If you don't pay them back, they take it out on your family.

But here's the thing with that, as brutal and awful as it is: they aren't hostages. They were *sold* to (well, used as collateral for) the cartels by the person moving El Norte.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:36 PM (d04cU)

166 OT: The Israelis have surrounded Al-Shifa hospital, and are pondering how to take the hospital...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (YAtuc)

Speak Spanish and claim that you've got a cough. Works here.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:36 PM (zhLdt)

167 Hamas is now claiming that "Israeli snipers" have started randomly shooting nurses and patients in the hospital, apparently just for the fun of it.

"Doctors Without Borders" is also claiming that.

Just part of the price of doing business in Gaza.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 14, 2023 12:37 PM (YAtuc)

168 You will be depressed, miserable, and self-loathing all of your days, for I have made you thus. To seek relief is to defy your Creator. You shall obey the Lord your God!

Posted by: God at November 14, 2023 12:37 PM (HBnmy)

169 MP4, I was thinking about you the other day. Have you tried going to church to ease your depression? It helps to ease mine.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:26 PM (JrojV)

Thanks for the thought. I don't want to hijack the thread, though, so perhaps it's a topic for the weekend prayer thread.

I appreciate the concern, though. As the Beatles said, "That means a lot."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 14, 2023 12:37 PM (Q0kLU)

170 The eight no votes were Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO), Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA), Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC), Rep. John Duarte (R-CA), Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC), Rep. Cliff Bentz (R-OR), and Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH).

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So until the border is closed, ALL illegal immigrants go to those five states.

Posted by: The_Hoser at November 14, 2023 12:37 PM (N66D6)

171 4. Alien is processed through the courts attached to the facility. He makes his claim and it is accepted or rejected quickly. I'd like to see each camp-attached immigration judge process at least six cases per hour, eight hours per day.
5. Once adjudicated, alien is either given papers and released (rare) or transferred to outbound holding for deportation.

A job this big requires buffers, and fairly big ones.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (d04cU)
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There's no reason the courts cannot run 24/7/365. Just need more judges/personnel to manage them.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 14, 2023 12:38 PM (YIVH2)

172 >>>119 "...and argued criminals were coming through the US-Mexico border and warned of "young, strong people that had bad intentions."

They forgot to throw in 'without evidence' to make sure the LIV's and lemmings don't start thinking about what they just read.
Posted by: Ripley at November 14, 2023 12:28 PM (JojsZ)

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That jumped out at me too. Perhaps they're developing a capacity for embarrassment.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 14, 2023 12:38 PM (wzAuc)

173 @125

>>And big business needs the cheap illegal labor because of regulations passed by Democrats.

As has been noted, the economies and governmental organization of all of Western Society is built upon regularized, limitless growth, and concomitant to that growth is growth in populations.

It can't work otherwise, so that's why through both GOP and Donk administrations, save Trumps, we have been fighting this death struggle over illegal immigration.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 14, 2023 12:38 PM (XV/Pl)

174 Is that before or after it's laundered though the Ukraine?

Posted by: Roy at November 14, 2023 12:38 PM (z+ik4)

175 Hamas is now claiming that "Israeli snipers" have started randomly shooting nurses and patients in the hospital, apparently just for the fun of it.

Expect the calls for a "ceasefire" to reach a crescendo soon.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 14, 2023 12:33 PM (YAtuc)

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Guaranteed if they're accused of shooting innocent dogs, cats, and trees ... but mostly innocent trees.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 14, 2023 12:38 PM (mJoZW)

176 OT: The Israelis have surrounded Al-Shifa hospital, and are pondering how to take the hospital...
Posted by: The ARC of History!

Liberal amounts of C-4 & Semtex.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:38 PM (XZrr7)

177 154 I created you this way. Does the clay say to the potter "why have you made me thus"? Who are you, a mere human being, to talk back to me?
Posted by: God at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (HBnmy)

Remember : When Daddy has to come back home, he's handing out a WHOLE LOT of beatings to a WHOLE LOT of his misbehaving children.

Posted by: XTC at November 14, 2023 12:39 PM (UnA8+)

178 Alien is processed through the courts attached to the facility. He makes his claim and it is accepted or rejected quickly. I'd like to see each camp-attached immigration judge process at least six cases per hour, eight hours per day.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (d04cU)

It would go a bit slower at first since you have to allow for the 30 minute flogging of any judge who accepts an asylum claim. Eventually they'd learn and the process could be sped up.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:39 PM (zhLdt)

179 If I didn't know better I'd think you've been living in a cave with no internet service for the last decade.

Don't let them build camps for any reason whatsoever.
Think about how The Patriot Act was for our protection.
Until it wasn't.
Oh wait, you say that's different. It was never for OUR protection.

BINGO!
Posted by: Just Lily at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (KviSY)
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I am under no illusions. Deportation camps could be used as gulags, absolutely. I just don't think they're a prerequisite or that they pose a particular special danger of conversion. When the time comes for gulags - and we're getting close - the absence of existing facilities for conversion will not be an impediment in the slightest. Gulags are cheap, easy and fast to build. When we get to that stage, the existing "camps" all around the country - from the county jail to the military base to the government warehouse - will all be converted anyway if needed. We have plenty of "camps" right now - we just tend to call them "prisons" or "military bases."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:39 PM (d04cU)

180 Send the illegals to Rhode Island. Since it doesn’t exist, they will cease to exist, too.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:39 PM (JrojV)

181 Johnson is turning out to be a soy soaked gay looking Clark Kent imitating piece of shit

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at November 14, 2023 12:40 PM (8K1Ng)

182 They aren't hostages, they're chattels. The cartels don't usually *force* people to go El Norte. They just finance the operation, the family is held as collateral. If you don't pay them back, they take it out on your family.

But here's the thing with that, as brutal and awful as it is: they aren't hostages. They were *sold* to (well, used as collateral for) the cartels by the person moving El Norte.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:36 PM (d04cU)
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Whatever they are called, the immigrants will plead for the safety of their families back home. As brutal as it is, the best option is to remove that link from the equation. Cut off the immigrants from ALL social services and benefits and let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 14, 2023 12:40 PM (YIVH2)

183 "Illegal Immigration Costs Americans $451 Billion Every Single Year"

and the spending bills under Trump made sure "not one penny for a wall" ... thanks Mitch and GOPe.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 14, 2023 12:40 PM (Cus5s)

184 75 42 Something needs to be done. I’m a compassionate person but we need to get our own house in order before we take in all the unwashed masses who want to destroy this nation from the inside.

Like we don't already have enough homegrowns who want to destroy this nation from the inside.
Posted by: See eg Democrats at November 14, 2023 12:21 PM (HBnmy)

Its all design - this, the rampant 'youth' crime avalanche (shootings, car jackings, ect), police curtailing their operations (won't respond to traffic accidents unless has injuries, sparse neighborhood patrols, ect), and other erosions Gov'ment now call 'normal operations' (all levels)

Don't know if its Cloward-Piven, but it sure feels like a designed plan...

Posted by: Pinochet Air Flight Attendant at November 14, 2023 12:40 PM (zL/eJ)

185 If it’s “just a hospital” as the left claims then the doors should be wide open and Israeli soldiers should just be able to walk in.

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:40 PM (P5BwU)

186 There's no reason the courts cannot run 24/7/365. Just need more judges/personnel to manage them.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 14, 2023 12:38 PM (YIVH2)
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Sure. But 8-hour working days (well, 9.5 - need lunch and to stretch the legs) per judge seems reasonable.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:40 PM (d04cU)

187 @167

>>Just part of the price of doing business in Gaza.

This is a PaliWood production.

Israel only targets enemy combatants, if people are getting shot, they're bad guys.

Or alternatively...

If you are going to conduct military operations from a hospital, you're going to get shot.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 14, 2023 12:41 PM (XV/Pl)

188 146 OT: The Israelis have surrounded Al-Shifa hospital, and are pondering how to take the hospital, and the Hamas command bunker under the hospital.

Complicating matters is that there are almost certainly hostages in the command bunker, along with the Hamas leadership."

I believe the IDF has had it surrounded for a couple of days now, and have been picking off the few Hamas gunmen who want to come out and fight. Their problem is that it's still packed full of people (the complex covers several city blocks) and they're trying to avoid having room by room running gunbattles among hundreds of civilians.

My guess is that they are going to slowly try to exert control, one building at a time.

Posted by: The Left at November 14, 2023 12:41 PM (i9ffA)

189 They'll never be deported. Most of the kids have fake birth certificates and the women coming over get pregnant as soon as they cross.
Posted by: redridinghood at November 14, 2023 12:36 PM (NpAcC)
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The problem of "anchor babies" is what it is. Deport their illegal parents anyway. If they want to take the kids with them, then fine - they can do so, and repudiate citizenship along with it. If they don't, then the kids can go into an orphanage until they're of age.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:41 PM (d04cU)

190 Send the illegals to Rhode Island. Since it doesn’t exist, they will cease to exist, too.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Pricess & Royal Cruises to the Bermuda Triangle.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:41 PM (XZrr7)

191 And zero, ABSLOUTELY no Palestinian refugees.
Any Republican advocating for that is NOT a Republican.

Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Do Not Kill at November 14, 2023 12:41 PM (gxokI)

192 They like exotic tacos, and tapas, and the sheik Persian restaurant next to the Chanel boutique.
Posted by: MJ

We have born and bred Tejanos that know how to cook that. Don't need illegals.
Posted by: rickb223

Genuine, authentic Mexican food is inferior to TexMex.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2023 12:41 PM (0N1h0)

193 186 There's no reason the courts cannot run 24/7/365. Just need more judges/personnel to manage them.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 14, 2023 12:38 PM (YIVH2)

That's Not Who We Are.

Posted by: The Court System at November 14, 2023 12:42 PM (i9ffA)

194 The problem of "anchor babies" is what it is. Deport their illegal parents anyway. If they want to take the kids with them, then fine - they can do so, and repudiate citizenship along with it. If they don't, then the kids can go into an orphanage until they're of age.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

The kids go too. No such thing as anchor baby. You don't get to profit off of someone else's lawbreaking.

Sorry.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:42 PM (XZrr7)

195 The feds stopped cutting the wire. They brought in front loaders to lift the wires so illegals can get through.

We can embed the concertina wires in concrete so the front loaders have to tear the wire to lift it.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 14, 2023 12:42 PM (CecP5)

196 Whatever they are called, the immigrants will plead for the safety of their families back home. As brutal as it is, the best option is to remove that link from the equation. Cut off the immigrants from ALL social services and benefits and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 14, 2023 12:40 PM (YIVH2)
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Sure, they can plead it. But the plea has no legal bearing. The alien exchanged his family - temporarily - for a ride up north and protection along the way. He made a bad bet, and will now live with the consequences.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:43 PM (d04cU)

197 Poll from AZ today: OrangeMan +8 over Biden.

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:43 PM (P5BwU)

198 C*nt Bunny Pants Hochul loves me so much she will do what she can to protect me from watching Mark Dice videos online

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at November 14, 2023 12:43 PM (8K1Ng)

199 185 If it’s “just a hospital” as the left claims then the doors should be wide open and Israeli soldiers should just be able to walk in.
Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:40 PM (P5BwU)

The Hospital gives a welcome basket to every new IDF soldier in the form of an RPG round.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 12:43 PM (i9ffA)

200 Electrician on job barely speaks English

Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (qqAUN)

201 The kids go too. No such thing as anchor baby. You don't get to profit off of someone else's lawbreaking.

Sorry.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:42 PM (XZrr7)
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I agree. The courts don't. If the courts retain that position, then the kids can still be removed as a bargaining chip. Having a citizen child does not confer citizenship onto the parent. The parent goes. If he or she leaves the kids behind, then we'll need some orphanages.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (d04cU)

202 > "Doctors Without Borders" is also claiming that.

DWB will parrot any lie Hamas tells them to. DWB was still claiming Israel bombed a hospital, killing 500 people LONG after everyone else stopped repeating the lie.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (0N1h0)

203 Still cheaper than paying ~~$50~~ $75 for a head of lettuce.

(updated for inflation)

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (DTX3h)

204 Weird how every fucking “refugee” has an iPhone and seemingly unlimited data plan.

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (P5BwU)

205 179-Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:39 PM (d04cU)

I hear the Nancy Pelosi Federal Building is sitting empty, or mostly so.

They don't even have to build a new place.

Seems fitting for the sparks of humanity to be housed there.

Posted by: Just Lily at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (KviSY)

206 The feds stopped cutting the wire. They brought in front loaders to lift the wires so illegals can get through.

We can embed the concertina wires in concrete so the front loaders have to tear the wire to lift it.
Posted by: An Observation

We can booby trap the wire so when the front end loader lifts it, it blows up.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (XZrr7)

207 Sure, they can plead it. But the plea has no legal bearing. The alien exchanged his family - temporarily - for a ride up north and protection along the way. He made a bad bet, and will now live with the consequences.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:43 PM (d04cU)

Hell, I'd even let the forever war people go toe to toe with the cartels. It'd be funny when some politicians started suffering consequences.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (zhLdt)

208

Don't come.

Don't come.

Posted by: Kumswala Harris at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (Zz0t1)

209 197 Poll from AZ today: OrangeMan +8 over Biden.
Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:43 PM (P5BwU)
_______________

[Hysterical laughter]

-- Maricopa County Voting Machines

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (iFTx/)

210 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:39 PM (d04cU)

FEMA already has large camps scattered all over the US. There is one in Manteca CA., right off 2 Major Highways where rail lines meet.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (xaFKb)

211 This Asian lady in a skirt is confused by this entire thing, because she comes from a country that defends its border:
https://is.gd/JiS5fA

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (d04cU)

212 Still cheaper than paying $50 $75 for a head of lettuce.

(updated for inflation)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik

I don't like lettuce.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (XZrr7)

213 Who are you, a mere human being, to talk back to me?
Posted by: God at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (HBnmy)

Well, actually a number of the prophets talk back to God and a good read on this and not terribly long is the Book of Habakkuk.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (RSbhh)

214 Thanks for the thought. I don't want to hijack the thread, though, so perhaps it's a topic for the weekend prayer thread.

I appreciate the concern, though. As the Beatles said, "That means a lot."

Well, I've been there. Still am, from time to time. Unemployment doesn't help. But the meds (sertraline) and doing things I enjoy (like going to church) keep me on an even keel most of the time.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (JrojV)

215 The feds stopped cutting the wire. They brought in front loaders to lift the wires so illegals can get through.

We can embed the concertina wires in concrete so the front loaders have to tear the wire to lift it.
Posted by: An Observation

30.06 and snipe the driver of the front loader. This is treason and should be treated accordingly.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (Zz0t1)

216 Poll from AZ today: OrangeMan +8 over Biden.
Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:43 PM (P5BwU)

Sadly, we anticipate some technical issues on election day. -- Maricopa County

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (zhLdt)

217 19 YES, MAYBE, but the voters have to suffer that cost.

The BUSINESSES not only get to save money by hiring illegal aliens, but ALSO save on all wages as the increased workforce brings wages down in general.

WON'T SOMEONE think of the big businesses!?!?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 14, 2023 12:12 PM (zjgNU)

————

I’ve been saying for years that have been selling the promise of citizenship or residency to illegals. It’s part of the reason they work for less money, because they have something of far more value being offered to them.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 14, 2023 12:46 PM (Y4MwO)

218 But what about all those americans working to distribute the goodies? Those jobs must be protected...for the children.

Imagine the mindset of these people. The illegals deserve it for some reason. Americans whose money it actually is get less because its the right thing to do. Scary.

Posted by: DOYLE at November 14, 2023 12:46 PM (Z8Yh2)

219 "We have plenty of "camps" right now - we just tend to call them "prisons" or "military bases."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:39 PM (d04cU) "

or unexplained empty but well-fenced fields adjacent to rural police department buildings.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 14, 2023 12:46 PM (hXr4C)

220 213 Who are you, a mere human being, to talk back to me?
Posted by: God at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (HBnmy)

Well, actually a number of the prophets talk back to God and a good read on this and not terribly long is the Book of Habakkuk.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (RSbhh)

That's paraphrasing Romans 9:20.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 14, 2023 12:46 PM (eYoxG)

221 This Asian lady in a skirt is confused by this entire thing, because she comes from a country that defends its border:
https://is.gd/JiS5fA

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (d04cU)

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When did Fen hack into Mannix's nic?

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 14, 2023 12:46 PM (mJoZW)

222 That's just the direct costs to the government.

How about we try to figure out the indirect costs, specifically to US citizens?

For example, I have a feeling my rent would be lower if we didn't have a "housing crisis" largely brought on by having millions and millions of additional people chasing after the same number of apartments / houses.

Healthcare would be cheaper if hospitals didn't have to cover illegals medical issues gratis.

Blue collar people in the trades would make more money if they werent competing on bids against illegals who pay no taxes, follow no regulations, carry no insurance, and pay their employees off the books.

Etc. etc.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:47 PM (mj0Qp)

223 @211

>>This Asian lady in a skirt is confused by this entire thing, because she comes from a country that defends its border:

Looks like a T-1000 model.

WNB

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 14, 2023 12:47 PM (XV/Pl)

224 This Asian lady in a skirt is confused by this entire thing, because she comes from a country that defends its border:
https://is.gd/JiS5fA
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (d04cU)

Nice one.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:47 PM (zhLdt)

225 https://is.gd/JiS5fA
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (d04cU)

Nice one.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:47 PM (zhLdt)

NO YELLOW!

Posted by: Hunter Biden at November 14, 2023 12:47 PM (Zz0t1)

226 That's just the direct costs to the government.

How about we try to figure out the indirect costs, specifically to US citizens?

For example, I have a feeling my rent would be lower if we didn't have a "housing crisis" largely brought on by having millions and millions of additional people chasing after the same number of apartments / houses.

Healthcare would be cheaper if hospitals didn't have to cover illegals medical issues gratis.

Blue collar people in the trades would make more money if they werent competing on bids against illegals who pay no taxes, follow no regulations, carry no insurance, and pay their employees off the books.

Etc. etc.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

This sounds pretty insurection-y

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 14, 2023 12:48 PM (CIS44)

227 209 197 Poll from AZ today: OrangeMan +8 over Biden.
Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:43 PM (P5BwU)
_______________

[Hysterical laughter]

-- Maricopa County Voting Machines
Posted by: Elric Blade at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (iFTx/)
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... until its 3am, and (unexpectedly...) 4mil votes appear to sway the counts....

Posted by: Pinochet Air Flight Attendant at November 14, 2023 12:48 PM (zL/eJ)

228 "Electrician on job barely speaks English
Posted by: Skip"

Out: Circuit breakers with properly sized feeders, junction boxes and screw cap connectors

New wiring method: Twelve random sized wires twisted together with a some scotch tape holding it together.

Posted by: Ripley at November 14, 2023 12:48 PM (JojsZ)

229 I’ve been saying for years that have been selling the promise of citizenship or residency to illegals. It’s part of the reason they work for less money, because they have something of far more value being offered to them.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 14, 2023 12:46 PM (Y4MwO)

The illegals I've known were more sold on the "American Dream"(tm)

Which to many of them was go to america, work hard, make good money, and retire by 35 back to Ecuador or wherever with a good nest egg of tens of thousands of US dollars.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:48 PM (mj0Qp)

230 Well, actually a number of the prophets talk back to God and a good read on this and not terribly long is the Book of Habakkuk.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (RSbhh)

God: Moses...
Moses: WHAT?
God: How long can you tread water?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:48 PM (zhLdt)

231 The truth is out about the supposed "5 day cease fire" and hostage deal; now it is reported that this is an open Hamas offer - they want to give up 70 hostages in exchange for a 5 day cease fire, and all of their friends and allies in the West are saying "what a great deal! Take it Israel!" But Israel is still saying All hostages, and No cease fire.

remember just a few days ago Hamas was offering 2 hostages for a 3 day cease fire - their desperation is starting to show. The message from the Hamas spokesman (in Lebanon, ha) today full of bluster and calling for world intervention sounded like a message from the Fuhrerbunker.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 12:49 PM (i9ffA)

232 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (d04cU)

Good grief, what happened Joe?1 She's pretty and smiling and although busty with a tigh skirt she 's not doing the magic underwear, "This is my new conservative POV" routine. Pictures run out on the regular site?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 12:49 PM (RSbhh)

233 Probably literally. Someone got dirt on him

Posted by: Ken Buck sucks at November 14, 2023 12:49 PM (8m/3W)

234 Poll from AZ today: OrangeMan +8 over Biden.
Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:43 PM (P5BwU)

No worries we got this
-Vote counters in philly, atlanta, detroit and milwaukee

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 14, 2023 12:49 PM (CIS44)

235 ++++
I misjudged that action. I thought - because I was being logical - that it was irrelevant because the numbers shunted up to blue cities by those governors just weren't big enough. This is, in fact, true. It's a drop in the ocean.

But it mattered anyway, because it forced the issue and, crucially, gave the blue state governors and mayors air cover to start talking about the catastrophic consequences of our non-border policy - safely blaming it on DeSantis and Abbot while doing so, even though they barely even contributed to the problem. It was a narrative play, not a practical play and I failed to understand that.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:16 PM (d04cU)

Read something about NY that it wasn't the ones shipped up from FL and TX, it was something in the NY Constitution that the state MUST supply housing. Word got around and that means everyone it trying to get there. The FL and TX moves helped advertise where to go.

Posted by: Inogame at November 14, 2023 12:49 PM (53oGX)

236 Well, actually a number of the prophets talk back to God and a good read on this and not terribly long is the Book of Habakkuk.

I love how Abraham dickers with God over the number of righteous people there has to be in Sodom in order for God not to destroy it.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:49 PM (JrojV)

237 If we deport all the illegals, teenagers will have start working while in high schools and do all the yard work. That would be an unimaginable tragedy.

Maybe if we tell the teen boys that the MILFy wine moms will blow them after they do the yard work, we might get some enthusiasm.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 14, 2023 12:49 PM (Q0kLU)

238 Removing welfare benefits would end illegal immigration overnight. Both because it removes an incentive to come up north and because it gets Americans to do the jobs Americans won’t do.

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:49 PM (P5BwU)

239 Depression? Spend time with nature.

Posted by: John Muir at November 14, 2023 12:50 PM (SPofi)

240 Self deporting works, many do go back to Mexico because it’s cheaper to live there.

If you went after employers, and allowed schools to not take illegals, you’d solve 99% of the problem.

Every illegal that is working here is violating some combination of tax laws or committing ID theft. In addition to obviously breaking into the country illegally.

Make life difficult and theyll leave

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:50 PM (YY01b)

241 > Still cheaper than paying $50 $75 for a head of lettuce.

At a quarter of that price, I'd be willing to build some ebb and flow hydroponics tables and grow better produce in my garage.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2023 12:50 PM (0N1h0)

242 remember just a few days ago Hamas was offering 2 hostages for a 3 day cease fire - their desperation is starting to show. The message from the Hamas spokesman (in Lebanon, ha) today full of bluster and calling for world intervention

sounded like a message from the Fuhrerbunker.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Mein fuhrer...

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2023 12:50 PM (XZrr7)

243 Well, actually a number of the prophets talk back to God and a good read on this and not terribly long is the Book of Habakkuk.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (RSbhh)

Those darn Jews will argue with anybody.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (i9ffA)

244 Did Fen hijack Mannix today? 🤣

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (P5BwU)

245 232 LOL. Fen is complaining that Mannix' chic pic isn't raunchy enough.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (JrojV)

246 Don't come.

Don't come.
Posted by: Kumswala Harris at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (Zz0t1)

***

Trust me

Posted by: Willie Brown at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (ZV+pB)

247 Sure, we lose money on each individual illegal alien, but we make it up in volume.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (guGkK)

248 Electrician on job barely speaks English
Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (qqAUN)
===

No French.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (RIvkX)

249 Maybe if we tell the teen boys that the MILFy wine moms will blow them after they do the yard work, we might get some enthusiasm.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

*Stacy's Mom has entered the chat*

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (CIS44)

250 They're regularly talking back to God. "I'm too young." "I'm too old. "Send the other guy; He's is a better speaker than I am, " etc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (RSbhh)

251 Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:50 PM (YY01b)

Supreme Court said we had to allow Illegals in schools... don't think they ever said we had to make it free.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2023 12:52 PM (xaFKb)

252 Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (JrojV)

Wasn't complaining. Just noting it. Hence the smiley emoji.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 12:52 PM (RSbhh)

253 203 Still cheaper than paying $50 $75 for a head of lettuce.

(updated for inflation)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (DTX3h)

Yeah, that's another bullshitty talking point from the pro-open borders crowd.

What fucking year do they think this is? Have they ever SEEN a farm?

Most crop harvesting is completely mechanized these days. People aren't cutting down wheat with machetes. We have combines. In fact, all mass produced staple foods are harvested with machines.

There are some crops that can be mechanized, and sometimes are, but it is cheaper to use manual labor. That would change if there weren't a bajillion illegals available. They'd just mechanize the harvesting. So, yes, almond prices would likely go up slightly.

and then there are very specific crops that are hard to mechanize because they're so fragile. But like... I think we can all make the sacrifice of paying $2 extra for a bottle of California wine. It won't kill anyone.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:52 PM (mj0Qp)

254
*Make life difficult and theyll leave.*

Tax 'em. Tax the hell outta 'em.

Posted by: Grandpa wisdom at November 14, 2023 12:52 PM (SPofi)

255 "I'm too young." "I'm too old. "Send the other guy; He's is a better speaker than I am, " etc.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (RSbhh)

So, they're living my life?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 14, 2023 12:53 PM (Zz0t1)

256 https://is.gd/JiS5fA
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:45 PM (d04cU)

Nice one.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:47 PM (zhLdt)

NO YELLOW!
Posted by: Hunter Biden at November 14, 2023 12:47 PM (Zz0t1)
.......

Looks pretty white to me, like she has never gone outside in her life.

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2023 12:53 PM (v0R5T)

257 OK, off to run an errand. Later.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 14, 2023 12:53 PM (JrojV)

258 So until the border is closed, ALL illegal immigrants go to the Representative's districts in those five states.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (CecP5)

259 Any attempt to implement a mass detention and deportation scheme for illegals will amount to nothing more than a guaranteed employment program for every leftoid in the country with a law license.

They will descend on that like vultures and they will be paid by George Soros and his ilk, and will tie everyone up in legal proceedings for 20 years.

Posted by: ballistic at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (oqH4h)

260 But like... I think we can all make the sacrifice of paying $2 extra for a bottle of California wine. It won't kill anyone.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:52 PM (mj0Qp)

Fuck you! -- Karen

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (zhLdt)

261 I think we can all make the sacrifice of paying $2 extra for a bottle of California wine. It won't kill anyone.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:52 PM (mj0Qp)

Fuck right off asshole!!
- AWFL wine moms

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (P5BwU)

262 The Supreme Court also said decades ago that there was a constitutional right to an abortion. Obviously, the judiciary has shifted and this issue needs to be revisited.

There is no right for somebody here illegally to receive a free education.

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (YY01b)

263 250 They're regularly talking back to God. "I'm too young." "I'm too old. "Send the other guy; He's is a better speaker than I am, " etc.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 12:51 PM (RSbhh)

Many believers say they wish God would speak to them directly; but if they'd study more they'd realize you really don't want that. Becasue He's gonna tell you to do some things you really don't want to do.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (i9ffA)

264 >>> "We have plenty of "camps" right now - we just tend to call them "prisons" or "military bases."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:39 PM (d04cU) "

---

We have a number of summer camps that are currently sittling idle that we'd be happy to donate to The Cause. You'll have to supply the mines.

Posted by: The United Methodist Church at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (wzAuc)

265 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:52 PM (mj0Qp)

We already HAVE a temporary farm worker Visa... been in the law for decades.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (xaFKb)

266 Depression? Spend time with nature.
Posted by: John Muir at November 14, 2023 12:50 PM (SPofi)

***

I'd caution against that...

Posted by: Timothy Treadwell at November 14, 2023 12:55 PM (ZV+pB)

267 Read something about NY that it wasn't the ones shipped up from FL and TX, it was something in the NY Constitution that the state MUST supply housing. Word got around and that means everyone it trying to get there. The FL and TX moves helped advertise where to go.
Posted by: Inogame at November 14, 2023 12:49 PM (53oGX)

One of those unexpected, but completely obvious, outcomes of liberal do-gooderness.

NY says housing is a human right.

In other words, if you're homeless in NY, the state has to find a place for you to sleep if you ask for one.

That's how they sold the law.

Of course if hundreds of thousands of illegals show up and demand housing, well... now what?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (mj0Qp)

268 So, I got the FIRST!!!!! Lady's Expedition back together after replacing the roller rocker and MAN does it run much better. Needs an oil change since I'm sure I dumped some antifreeze in the head when the heater hose broke. I've got one on order that'll be here Friday. That and the oil change, she'll be good to go for a while.

Still, I'm not sure why I have this nagging lack of confidence on things so much lately.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (Zz0t1)

269 Electrician on job barely speaks English
Posted by: Skip at November 14, 2023 12:44 PM (qqAUN)
........

No toques ese cable!

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (v0R5T)

270 My assumption is all the migrants that come here legally, or on work visas, have Never go back. So that’s not really a solution either.

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (P5BwU)

271
So, they're living my life?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 14, 2023 12:53 PM (Zz0t1)

LOL. God is asking you to trek across the desert with a bunch of complainers?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (RSbhh)

272 Depression? Spend time with nature.
Posted by: John Muir at November 14, 2023 12:50 PM (SPofi)

***

I'd caution against that...
Posted by: Timothy Treadwell at November 14, 2023 12:55 PM (ZV+pB)

Fuck you! -- Grizzlies

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (zhLdt)

273 Hamas has only a portion of the hostages and cannot return all of them even if it wanted to.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (RIvkX)

274 There is no right for somebody here illegally to receive a free education.

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (YY01b)

Plyler vs Doe, 1982. Not many people paid attention to it at the time, or the overwhelmingly destructive consequences it would have over the next 4 decades.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (i9ffA)

275 Depression? Spend time with nature.
Posted by: John Muir at November 14, 2023 12:50 PM (SPofi)

Wear blaze orange when you're out and about.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd at November 14, 2023 12:57 PM (l10hq)

276 Magic underwear? Wait, Joe's boobettes are Mormon boobettes?

Posted by: So confused at November 14, 2023 12:57 PM (SPofi)

277 God is asking you to trek across the desert with a bunch of complainers?

It felt good to get out of the rain..

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 14, 2023 12:57 PM (aD39U)

278 We already HAVE a temporary farm worker Visa... been in the law for decades.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (xaFKb)

Yes, and my point is, we don't even need that.

There will be some adjustments, and some of the more exotic legumes and fruits will likely get more expensive.

But it's not like we rely on cheap foreign labor for our staple crops. Nor has it ever been that big of an issue.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:57 PM (mj0Qp)

279 Of course if hundreds of thousands of illegals show up and demand housing, well... now what?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (mj0Qp)

First? You take over the Veteran Centers... those are usually already funded...

And yes... that is exactly what happened.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2023 12:57 PM (xaFKb)

280
Of course if hundreds of thousands of illegals show up and demand housing, well... now what?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (mj0Qp)

This happens.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/veteran-kicked-
out-nursing-home-make-way-migrant-housing.amp

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:57 PM (P5BwU)

281 remember just a few days ago Hamas was offering 2 hostages for a 3 day cease fire - their desperation is starting to show. The message from the Hamas spokesman (in Lebanon, ha) today full of bluster and calling for world intervention sounded like a message from the Fuhrerbunker.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 12:49 PM (i9ffA)

------------

King Shain on the morning of 10/8: "You have 24 hours to either release ALL the hostages, or to be vaporized. Choose wisely, and have a nice day."

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 14, 2023 12:57 PM (mJoZW)

282 Hamas has only a portion of the hostages and cannot return all of them even if it wanted to.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (RIvkX)

Sucks to be Hamas.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 12:58 PM (zhLdt)

283 *Make life difficult and theyll leave.*

Tax 'em. Tax the hell outta 'em.
Posted by: Grandpa wisdom at November 14, 2023 12:52 PM (SPofi)
.......

Actually, I think that's part of the plan.
SURPRISE!

Posted by: wth at November 14, 2023 12:58 PM (v0R5T)

284 @253

>>It won't kill anyone.

No, but the question about what to do about illegal immigration is largely moot at this point, we have been fighting this fight for, decades and it has gotten worse not better.

By the time the meat puppets first term is over we will have added enough illegal aliens to fill up the state of Illinois.

The fight is largely over as just those 12 million will eventually become 24 million in a short time.

I mean, how do you say baby boom in Spanish?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 14, 2023 12:58 PM (XV/Pl)

285 Of course if hundreds of thousands of illegals show up and demand housing, well... now what?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (mj0Qp)

Soon they will just take the housing.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 14, 2023 12:58 PM (uSHSS)

286 I'm too old.

At 75 and on minumum Social Security, I'm attempting to file a MAJOR law suit against the DOJ that will cost me everything I have. I figure I owe that to the country.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 14, 2023 12:58 PM (CecP5)

287 One young woman, a hostage, had been allowed to send out a message pleading for a cease fire. Now Hamas is saying she is dead, and Israel believes Hamas tortured her before she died.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (i9ffA)

288 Comes out to about $1,360.00 per US citizen per year.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (hH3Px)

289 Many believers say they wish God would speak to them directly; but if they'd study more they'd realize you really don't want that. Because He's gonna tell you to do some things you really don't want to do.

Every once in a while I'm tempted to pray for help being more patient. Then I think about how God would go about helping me work on my patience and I tell myself to work on it on my own.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (0N1h0)

290 Who are you, a mere human being, to talk back to me?
Posted by: God at November 14, 2023 12:34 PM (HBnmy)

Any God who would call His creation a mere human being is no God.

Get thee behind me, Satan.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (Q0kLU)

291 >>Of course if hundreds of thousands of illegals show up and demand housing, well... now what?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes a

You stuff them all in Catholic churches. They helped get them here.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (l10hq)

292 One young woman, a hostage, had been allowed to send out a message pleading for a cease fire. Now Hamas is saying she is dead, and Israel believes Hamas tortured her before she died.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (i9ffA)
++++
Hmmm. Hamas *can't* return all of the hostages. They've killed some. Could be a problem.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (d04cU)

293 239
'Depression? Spend time with nature.'

Or exercise. Give your mind pain and exhaustion to worry about. Any respite from my worries is a vacation for my mind.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (64Xd5)

294 Mormons? What was it, soaking?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (zZu0s)

295 Comes out to about $1,360.00 per US citizen per year.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (hH3Px)

When you put it THAT way, that seems very affordable.

Posted by: Liberal Retard at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)

296 There is no right for somebody here illegally to receive a free education.

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 12:54 PM (YY01b)

Plyler vs Doe, 1982. Not many people paid attention to it at the time, or the overwhelmingly destructive consequences it would have over the next 4 decades.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 12:56 PM (i9ffA)

-----------

Ditto for whatever Court ruling mandated Emergency Room care for illegal aliens.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (mJoZW)

297 just a few days ago Hamas was offering 2 hostages for a 3 day cease fire - their desperation is starting to show. The message from the Hamas spokesman (in Lebanon, ha) today full of bluster and calling for world intervention sounded like a message from the Fuhrerbunker.

Mohammed Steiner will come.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (I/Qkd)

298 274

So because a court case happened 40 years ago, we now have to accept it and move on?

Lots of things have changed on the judiciary

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (YY01b)

299 $451 Billion per Year for illegal? So what? Our balance sheets won't be hurt any if the government expense for illegals is twice that! Ha ha ha!

Posted by: Chamber of Commerce members, meat packer, lawn care service and home roofing outfit owners across Am at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (5fDan)

300 Overwhelming the country with so many illegal aliens that there will be no choice but to give them all amnesty and citizenship.

Posted by: davidt at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (SYTee)

301 Trump is full of shit and none of what he says will happen. Even if - a big if - he was serious, Hawaiian judges across the land will block it as will the RINOs in congress.

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (P5BwU)

302 This why illegals are flocking to the border, to warm their bodies on our warm country.

The U.S. is warming far faster than the globe as a whole as the effects of climate change accelerate. The National Climate Assessment, released today, details how each region is being hit differently. Meanwhile, Washington's landmark carbon-pricing law survived a key test when a judge shot down a natural gas plant operator's challenge Seattle Times

Posted by: Colin at November 14, 2023 01:01 PM (bOfbg)

303 Now Hamas is saying she is dead, and Israel believes Hamas tortured her before she died.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (i9ffA)

I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that Hamas tortured EVERY hostage before they killed them.

Seems SOP for those goatf*ckers.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at November 14, 2023 01:01 PM (Zz0t1)

304 They're regularly talking back to God. "I'm too young." "I'm too old. "Send the other guy; He's is a better speaker than I am, " etc.

One time I was talking with a random guy about how Jesus was perfect. He insisted Jesus wasn't perfect. His argument was that when Jesus "talked back to God" by saying, "let this cup pass from me." I didn't know how to respond to such a silly argument, so I didn't.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2023 01:01 PM (0N1h0)

305 Ditto for whatever Court ruling mandated Emergency Room care for illegal aliens.
Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (mJoZW)

I believe THAT was a law... passed by Congress and signed by Reagan, but I could be mistaken.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 01:01 PM (zhLdt)

306 197 Poll from AZ today: OrangeMan +8 over Biden.
Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 12:43 PM (P5BwU)

———

Pretty sure Lake was as +14 and still lost.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 14, 2023 01:01 PM (Y4MwO)

307 Comes out to about $1,360.00 per US citizen per year

—

But we save $12 a week in lettuce costs, so it all works out in the end.

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 01:01 PM (P5BwU)

308
My kids used to have to walk .8 of a mile to catch the school bus. Then the Supreme Court ruled that X number of feet was the maximum. So now they drop the kids off at every doorstep on a dead end street with no turnaround. At 6:36 am M-F I get to listen to a school bus making half a dozen attempts to turn around in a residents driveway. Nice majority conservative SC though that couldn't spend a few minutes looking at Texas v Pennsylvania, signed onto by 20 other states.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 14, 2023 01:02 PM (enJYY)

309 'Lost'. To the person overseeing the election. Heh.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 14, 2023 01:02 PM (zZu0s)

310 300 Overwhelming the country with so many illegal aliens that there will be no choice but to give them all amnesty and citizenship.
Posted by: davidt at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (SYTee)

Yeah, I think we're basically at that point.

I don't know how you unring this bell.

Because it is true that many of these people have settled down, had kids, and made a life here. And it is true that it does suck for those kids and the extended families of the illegals and whatnot.

That said, we don't let the kids of bank robbers financially benefit from their parents bank robbing.

But there is no political will to kick out what I'm sure is tens of millions of people at this point. Plus their kids who are US citizens.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 14, 2023 01:02 PM (mj0Qp)

311 Every once in a while I'm tempted to pray for help being more patient. Then I think about how God would go about helping me work on my patience and I tell myself to work on it on my own.
Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (0N1h0)

We were made in God's Image. Even God loses his Patience... and yes, according to scripture, there are things he hates.

Who am I to argue with his design?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2023 01:03 PM (xaFKb)

312 Comes out to about $1,360.00 per US citizen per year

a small price to pay for all of that diversity, which, of course, is our strength

Posted by: brak at November 14, 2023 01:03 PM (AR07F)

313 Looks pretty white to me, like she has never gone outside in her life.
Posted by: wth at November 14, 2023 12:53 PM (v0R5T)
-

Being tanned by the sun is a sign of peasantry in China. Whitening your skin is actually a thing with them.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 14, 2023 01:03 PM (bAJ1Y)

314 So because a court case happened 40 years ago, we now have to accept it and move on?

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (YY01b)

When the left loses a case, they change the details by a letter and re-file. Because the left wants to WIN.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 01:03 PM (zhLdt)

315
Maybe if we tell the teen boys that the MILFy wine moms will blow them after they do the yard work, we might get some enthusiasm.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

--

Ha.
- Married men everywhere

Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged at November 14, 2023 01:04 PM (DxFDO)

316 Posted by: So confused at November 14, 2023 12:57 PM (SPofi

No, "Magic underwear" is often used here as a silly name people use to dismiss the concept of sacred undergarments in Mormon life. Someone who is Mormon needs to address the spiritual signifigance of those garments. "Magic underwear" the way I use it is my joking term for the "conversion" garment of some chick who sends in racy pictures to the internet for clicks and money, but somehow when she stripped down to her underwear she suddenly became of proponent of all things conservative.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2023 01:04 PM (RSbhh)

317 corrosion class in the books. one more to go before I an take my General exam.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 14, 2023 01:04 PM (CIS44)

318 Comes out to about $1,360.00 per US citizen per year.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 14, 2023 12:59 PM (hH3Px)
++++
Sure, but that's a pretty lousy way to look at it.

There are only 148.25 million people who file tax returns, regardless of citizenship status or level of tax paid. It's a proxy - bad one, but nonetheless - for "people working here legally and retirees."

It's $3,045 per taxpayer. Per year. At minimum.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 14, 2023 01:04 PM (d04cU)

319
Pretty sure Lake was as +14 and still lost.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 14, 2023 01:01 PM (Y4MwO)

Tee Hee!

Posted by: Governor Hobbs at November 14, 2023 01:04 PM (Zz0t1)

320 At 75 and on minumum Social Security, I'm attempting to file a MAJOR law suit against the DOJ that will cost me everything I have. I figure I owe that to the country.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 14, 2023 12:58 PM (CecP5)

----------

Maybe you can create a Give Send Go account (put the link in your nic) -- I would happily contribute to it.

Posted by: ShainS -- Too Male, Too Pale, Too Stale at November 14, 2023 01:04 PM (mJoZW)

321 Morn' all... I see we are still screwed

Posted by: Walmart land whales in spandex at November 14, 2023 01:04 PM (bs+z0)

322 Adam talked to God.

Posted by: It's in Genesis at November 14, 2023 01:04 PM (SPofi)

323 Comes out to about $1,360.00 per US citizen per year.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

DO you know how many LEGO sets I could buy with that?!

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 14, 2023 01:05 PM (CIS44)

324
Pretty sure Lake was as +14 and still lost.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 14, 2023 01:01 PM (Y4MwO)

Quick check shows she was up 11 in one poll which was a clear outlier. Most polls showed her up 1-4 with a couple here and there showing Hobbs by 1 or 2.

Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 01:05 PM (P5BwU)

325 > Mormons? What was it, soaking?

There will always be idiots who think they've found a loophole to God's commandments. When I first got to BYU, I was warned that some kids thought they had found a loophole by going out to Vegas to get a quickie marriage, having sex, then a quickie divorce. They let us know this was not a viable loophole and was a good way to get kicked out of school and possibly disfellowshipped.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2023 01:05 PM (0N1h0)

326 298 274

So because a court case happened 40 years ago, we now have to accept it and move on?

Lots of things have changed on the judiciary

Posted by: Equate at November 14, 2023 01:00 PM (YY01b)

understand - "we" lost the case, but the Uniparty won. This is the result they wanted. No, they're not about to try to change it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 01:06 PM (i9ffA)

327 I believe if Trump is elected he would try to deport illegals... Doubt he will be able to

Posted by: It's me donna at November 14, 2023 01:07 PM (bs+z0)

328 One time I was talking with a random guy about how Jesus was perfect. He insisted Jesus wasn't perfect. His argument was that when Jesus "talked back to God" by saying, "let this cup pass from me." I didn't know how to respond to such a silly argument, so I didn't.

Posted by: bonhomme

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Jesus was perfect, but he was a perfect human taking on the sins of all mankind. All sins. We gripe for thirty minutes after we stump our toe and can't even begin to comprehend what that must've felt like. All sin, all at once. He was saying "If there's some other way..."

Which lays waste to any notion that there *IS* some other way. If there were, why would God put his son through that?

Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged at November 14, 2023 01:08 PM (DxFDO)

329 Nood.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 14, 2023 01:08 PM (zhLdt)

330 I want to believe there is underwear out there with the magical power to transform the political leanings of busty young women everywhere.
I can dream can't I?

Posted by: Victoria's Secret Fan at November 14, 2023 01:08 PM (SPofi)

331 DO you know how many LEGO sets I could buy with that?!

Posted by: BruceWayne

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Two or three of the really good ones.

Posted by: Moron Robbie -The Clear Minded Nashville Tranny Shooter was not Deranged at November 14, 2023 01:08 PM (DxFDO)

332 Quick check shows she was up 11 in one poll which was a clear outlier. Most polls showed her up 1-4 with a couple here and there showing Hobbs by 1 or 2.
Posted by: Montec at November 14, 2023 01:05 PM (P5BwU)

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I miss remembered after that hookers and blow party with Hunter.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 14, 2023 01:09 PM (Y4MwO)

333 322 Adam talked to God.
Posted by: It's in Genesis at November 14, 2023 01:04 PM (SPofi)

A Great Man of Courage: "The Woman you gave me, SHE made me do it!!!"

p.s. I find it amusing that even the Bible records this as man's original excuse for everything.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 01:09 PM (i9ffA)

334 Something to keep in mind: some number of the illegals actually believe they have been invited here. Stories have gone around for years about somebody's agents Down There, telling tales and passing rumors around, and yet we have not had one turned in or ratted on. Some of these people are no more detestable than your own ambitious forbears, except that they wuz had. This has happened before (Cotopaxi Colorado was an immigrant rip-off, for instance) but somehow escapes the footnotes of our history.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at November 14, 2023 01:11 PM (4PZHB)

335 325 There will always be idiots who think they've found a loophole to God's commandments. When I first got to BYU, I was warned that some kids thought they had found a loophole by going out to Vegas to get a quickie marriage, having sex, then a quickie divorce.

my dodgy memory tells me this was a plot point in the ralph baskshi film "american pop", although it's not mentioned in wikipedia's page on the film. a pimp collaborates with a priest to create temporary marriages, making the prostitution "legal-like".

Posted by: anachronda at November 14, 2023 01:12 PM (sGtp+)

336 > No, "Magic underwear" is often used here as a silly name people use to dismiss the concept of sacred undergarments in Mormon life. Someone who is Mormon needs to address the spiritual significance of those garments.

I don't have a definitive answer for you. The short, incomplete answer is the garment represents modesty and has symbols that remind us of the Temple endowment and promises we make to God at that time.

We also point to God's commandment to Moses to make special clothing for Aaron for "glory and beauty...that he may minister unto me in the priest's office" Exodus 28:2-3

Posted by: bonhomme at November 14, 2023 01:12 PM (0N1h0)

337 "They also pay into social security and never draw a penny out because they are illegal."

Because people who are paid under the table in cash obviously turn in their FICA withholdings to the IRS.

They really think we're that stupid, don't they.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 14, 2023 01:16 PM (ou9hh)

338 But there is no political will to kick out what I'm sure is tens of millions of people at this point. Plus their kids who are US citizens.

No, they are NOT US citizens. The 14th amendment says "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

People in the country illegally are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." and their children are not US citizens.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 14, 2023 01:29 PM (CecP5)

339 I have every confidence Trump will follow through on his hardline immigration policies if he is (snort) elected.

Just like his first term when he built the wall and made Mexico pay for it.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 14, 2023 01:44 PM (9yUzE)

340 339 I have every confidence Trump will follow through on his hardline immigration policies if he is (snort) elected.

Just like his first term when he built the wall and made Mexico pay for it.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 14, 2023 01:44 PM (9yUzE)

Hilary would have been MUCH better.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 14, 2023 01:45 PM (xcxpd)

341 "Someone who is Mormon needs to address the spiritual significance of those garments."

It's reminder of the Covenants made in the temple, but without ostentation. A private reminder to oneself, not showy virtue signaling to the world

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 14, 2023 01:46 PM (9yUzE)

342 Virginia Foxx is a shocker on that list. She presents as a hardcore conservative and born again Christian. I guess we're going to have to get used to the idea that all of them are liars and scumbags. As in all of them.

Posted by: Beverly at November 14, 2023 02:03 PM (Epeb0)

343 IDF reporting that one of the senior leaders of Hamas, Ahmed Andor, was killed in northern Gaza today. Looks like they are closing in on the leadershiip. Also for the first time hinting that military operations will be conducted in southern Gaza, once the fighting in the North is over.

It is not currently clear whether Mr. FAFO is dead or not. (that's been a recurring twitter meme that takes too long to explain if you haven't seen it)

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 02:04 PM (i9ffA)

344 Yessssss!!!!! More "hit pieces" please, CNN!!

Posted by: drewinmass at November 14, 2023 02:05 PM (ofe9M)

345 People in the country illegally are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." and their children are not US citizens.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 14, 2023 01:29 PM (CecP5)

What a shame that not a single court in this country, on any level, agrees with that position.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 14, 2023 02:06 PM (i9ffA)

346 Whenever Trump talks what he plans on immigration, I get all tingly, & say, "Oh F* it-- I'll vote for him in the primary!"

Happily, the GOP primary in MO comes so late, the GOP nominee will already have been chosen (de facto) before I vote, as alway.

Posted by: KC Wolf (mnw) at November 14, 2023 02:54 PM (NLIak)

347 Naturally if Foggy Bottom types had "anonymously" signed a pro-Trump policy statement, there would reporters asking every single person leaving the building and putting them on record.

Posted by: Irredeemable Deplorable at November 14, 2023 03:21 PM (J3OJd)

348 Let the Open Borders advocates pay for them

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