As Expected, <i>The Marvels</i> Bombs at the Box Office, with the Worst Opening Yet of Any Marvel Movie

As Expected, The Marvels Bombs at the Box Office, with the Worst Opening Yet of Any Marvel Movie

And that's not even correcting from theater-ticket inflation. Theater prices have climbed 40% since 2008, so the $55 million eared by The Incredible Hulk in 2008 meant a lot more actual tickets bought by actual people than the dismal 47 million in BidenBucks netted by The Marvels.

According to The-Numbers, the film only grossed $47 million in its domestic opening weekend. The film grossed $6.6 million on Thursday night, $21.5 million on Friday, $15.3 million on Saturday, and $10.2 million on Sunday.

I've heard other people saying it only made $45 million, but Disney is fluffing the numbers.

The Marvels brought in $63.3 million internationally for a global total of $110.3 million.
The top five international markets are currently China ($11.7M), United Kingdom ($4.3M), Indonesia ($3.7M), South Korea ($3.5M), and France ($3.1M).
As for who was going to see The Marvels, Box Office Pro reports that the audience was 61% male.

I saw other sources saying that 65% of the audience was male. So men did show up for movie clearly made for women. Women did not show up for a movie made for women. Which is important, because SJWs sell these projects by promising that if movies just turn male properties into female properties, the men will keep showing up -- because we're morons with no discernment and animal-like habits -- but they'll be joined by an equal or bigger number of women.

This is never true. Ever. I'm glad it is now being proven to be a lie.

Andrej from Midnight's Edge ran the numbers and discovered that more women showed up for the opening of the the last Rambo movie, Rambo: Last Blood, than showed up for the opening of the girlboss feminist propaganda piece Charlie's Angels. He ran the numbers again, and again, more women went to see Rambo's opening than to The Marvels' opening.

It's just not true that women are dying to see violent male-oriented action/adventure fare, if only they'd "put a chick in it and make her gay, and make it lame." Women are, despite what you may have heard lately, different than men. Man frequently have fantasies about beating up enemies. We like seeing movies about that because we feel that it's an important part of being a man to be able to take care of business, when needed.

Very few women have this fantasy. Being physically intimidating is not a dream that most women have. Women like to see social competitions, not direct physical violent confrontations. They like to imagine themselves as smooth operators and having people skills, not being able to use a pen as a stabbing weapon.

Jay Mohr did this bit in standup after 9/11 about holding his pen in his hand all during a flight, ready, willing, and eager to plunge that pen into a terrorist's neck if one of Rashida Tlaib's cousins got feisty. He said he looked around the cabin to see four other men similarly clicking out the points of their pens, similarly ready for action. The bit ends as each of the men give each other a Knowing Nod, expressing to each other, "Yeah, if shit goes down, the four of us will handle shit."

That joke was funny because it was true. Every man was thinking about killing a terrorist on every flight for years after 9/11.

Were women having these fantasies? I never heard they were.

But Hollywood kept crapping out bomb after bomb insisting that women were exactly like men, and -- and this is the weird part where these alleged feminists show they actually hate and despise actual women -- if women aren't exactly like men, then they should be exactly like men, and we'll keep pumping out Men's Fantasies For Women until they're brainwashed into becoming men.

I don't know how many times they can keep doing this. I think this latest bomb is so huge and so impossible to cover up that the next executive to green-light a Girlboss Action Bomb puts himself in serious risk of firing. Because he won't be able to say, "How was I to know?"

Despite twice as many men showing up to see this stinker as the women it is supposedly made for -- or the very young sub-tween girls it's actually made for, as Alachia Queen points out in her review -- you will not be surprised to discover that men are being blamed for the latest failure of women.

Even leftwingers are tired of all this endless drama.

[T]he problem with The Marvels is that I don't like how Captain Marvel is portrayed in the original and so I'm not particularly interested in the new film. I find the way that they choose to characterize her really aggravating, and it's not an isolated problem. tired , which is a parody of what feminine strength looks like. As Hollywood has made progress in representing women in genre films, the industry has also developed a grating tendency to write the same kind of female characters, a series of tired tropes that inevitably leave us with women who insult everyone, never betray the vulnerability that actual human beings possess, and drop tired joke after tired joke in lieu of real dialogue.

One big problem that plagues women-led "action" films can be best expressed by the made-up babytalk word "silly-billy." Most women just don't find a movie about two high-testosterone males beating each other up for two hours interesting, so, to "appeal to the female viewers," tons of very bad sitcom-level jokes -- or even worse, Twitter-level "jokes" -- are added in to keep people who don't like this kind of movie vaguely engaged in this kind of movie. Even worse, these movies often signal to the women who don't like that kind of movie that the filmmakers themselves don't like this kind of movie either, and that they think it's all stupid nonsense too.

So they put in fourth-wall-breaking "jokes" in which characters just pretty much announce "This is all stupid, we know." In She-Hulk, the main character, a woman, literally turns to the camera right before the big Act III punch-up begins and asks, "Is this working for anybody? Doesn't this all seem stupid?" And then she literally walks out of the TV show to complain to the writers of the show that this all stupid and hackneyed.

I completely get why women are not that interested in male fantasies. I also get why they think they're stupid -- they are kind of stupid. But the stupidity -- the genre conventions -- are needed to deliver the fantasy element.

I think Hallmark Christmas romance movies are pretty silly, but I understand why they are so appealing to women, and I would never demand that Hallmark put in guns and karate to appeal to the male audience. And maybe instead of finding true love, maybe the male lead finds a really great Christmas Three-Way.

Now that would be stupid. That is destroying any entertainment value of the movie to its actual audience -- women -- in order to appeal to a very tiny segment of a possible audience, men.

And yet Hollywood will not stop making this insane trade-off in men's entertainment properties.

James Bond movies used to insert fourth-wall self-parodying non-jokes all the time, and insert "We know this is stupid" self-parody moments. I always hated that. I wanted to take the Bond movies at least somewhat seriously -- well, as seriously as an Indiana Jones movie, for example -- but when James Bond gives a Tarzan yell as he swings on a vine, or when a pigeon double-takes at his hovercraft gondola, that is taking me out of the movie to tell me "This is stupid and you're stupid for enjoying this and this is so stupid that we're not going to let you forget this is stupid."

And if that's how you feel about this material -- why the hell are you making it? Let someone who is more invested in the material make it.

A lot of these gender-mangled Male Action Fantasy For Gurlz movies engage in this kind of silly-billy self-parody all the time, telling anyone trying to take the movie seriously that they're stupid for doing so and should just grow up.

And then they wonder why men don't bother showing up to be told that they're stupid.

The Marvels is by all accounts an action movie for people who don't like action movies and a superhero movie for people who think superheroes are stupid.

Why would anyone go to see that? Who is the audience for a movie that fundamentally hates the genre it's in?

Apparently not too many people, as it turns out.

The aftermath: Captain America 4, starring Not Captain America but his black friend cospaying as Captain America, has been delayed for a year, supposedly for reshoots.

But Midnight's Edge said these "reshoots" will take 3-4 months, which is about the length of filming the entire movie again. So basically they're burning up the old film and making a completely different movie.

Maybe someone has finally figured out that we are sick to death of being hectored and lectured and being made to pay for this privilege in terms of both money and time.

Update: The James Madison says that the rumors on Reddit is that the movie was blatantly political and anti-Trump, and Disney is basically refilming it without the politics.

Just Reddit nonsense?

Maybe. But remember, the Disney+ show "The Falcon and the Winter Soldier" was so blatantly, explicitly pro-terrorist that even the Pitch Meeting Guy had to comment on it:

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 05:17 PM

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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:17 PM (GBKbO)

2 I called 'em.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 13, 2023 05:17 PM (qPw5n)

3 I saw other sources saying that 65% of the audience was male. So men did show up for movie clearly made for women. Women did not show up for a movie made for women. Which is important, because SJWs sell these projects by promising that if movies just turn male properties into female properties, the men will keep showing up -- because we're morons with no discernment and animal-like habits -- but they'll be joined by an equal or bigger number of women.

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Oof...

The 2nd weekend numbers are going to be brutal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:18 PM (GBKbO)

4 Put a woman in it! Make her Gay!

Make it Laaame!

Posted by: rd at November 13, 2023 05:18 PM (G288B)

5 [T]he problem with The Marvels is that I don't like how Captain Marvel is portrayed in the original and so I'm not particularly interested in the new film. I find the way that they choose to characterize her really aggravating, and it's not an isolated problem. tired , which is a parody of what feminine strength looks like. As Hollywood has made progress in representing women in genre films, the industry has also developed a grating tendency to write the same kind of female characters, a series of tired tropes that inevitably leave us with women who insult everyone, never betray the vulnerability that actual human beings possess, and drop tired joke after tired joke in lieu of real dialogue.

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It's weird how the women who write and direct these things end up with this default characterization.

Perhaps, representation isn't the key to getting good women characters?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:19 PM (GBKbO)

6 Technically, neither gender showed up for this movie - it only made $46M (which I told you all was gonna happen

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You're talking only the diehards were there...and supers diehards do tend to skew strongly male...

By all accounts (b/c I'm not watching it), it is a terribly plotted, scripted, and edited movie.

Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:19 PM (exHjb)

7 Swear saw something on my phone from Google news it had a great weekend

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 05:19 PM (fwDg9)

8 Men may have all the fantasies about killing another person, but it's the women who actually get to do it all the time (to their babies).

Posted by: XTC at November 13, 2023 05:20 PM (UnA8+)

9 Is it true that Brie's costume changes from scene to scene because they didn't match the colors in the reshoot scenes?

Posted by: rd at November 13, 2023 05:20 PM (G288B)

10 The aftermath: Captain America 4, starring Not Captain America but his black friend cospaying as Captain America, has been delayed for a year, supposedly for reshoots.

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The rumors out of that, stemming from an anonymous thread on Reddit (I think or 4Chan) was that it was nakedly political, about Trump and 1/6.

I'm sure that didn't help.

"America is so super concerned about 1/6 even 3 years after it happened that they need to see us tackle it in the Captain America sequel!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:21 PM (GBKbO)

11 9 Is it true that Brie's costume changes from scene to scene because they didn't match the colors in the reshoot scenes?
Posted by: rd at November 13, 2023 05:20 PM (G288B)

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How many people do you think in this comment section were part of the opening weekend audience to answer that?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:22 PM (GBKbO)

12 "cospaying" Is that when your get more than one pet neutered at the same time?

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at November 13, 2023 05:22 PM (a/7LW)

13 $46,110,859 Final OW tally

Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:23 PM (exHjb)

14 {13} $46,110,859 Final OW tally

Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:23 PM (exHjb)

How much did they spend creating it?

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 13, 2023 05:23 PM (qPw5n)

15 Very few women have this fantasy. Being physically intimidating is not a dream that most women have.
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Mind if I dance wiv your date??

Posted by: Mike Obama at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (krqg6)

16 $47 million is still too much.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (NpAcC)

17 Oh, I was expecting a Disney post.

Posted by: fd 49 at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (vFG9F)

18 The trailers look awful so I can just imagine how bad the movie is.

On the subject of comic book movies, Suicide Squad was almost unwatchable except for Margot Robbie's ass and then I discovered recently that they rebooted it in 2021. I made it through 25 minutes before I bailed.

What was the logic behind doing a crap movie again. Or maybe I'm in the minority and people liked the reboot?

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (MNhXM)

19 Oh, I'm sad...

Moorehead and Benson, the pair behind the microbudgeted movies like Endless, sold out to Disney and directed the final few episodes of Loki Season 2.

The only reason I found out is because they are directing the new Daredevil series and said that they're on "Day 0". You know, the series that was 8 episodes in the can before the whole thing got pulled?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (GBKbO)

20 The rumors out of that, stemming from an anonymous thread on Reddit (I think or 4Chan) was that it was nakedly political, about Trump and 1/6.

I'm sure that didn't help.

"America is so super concerned about 1/6 even 3 years after it happened that they need to see us tackle it in the Captain America sequel!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:21 PM (GBKbO)

Whatever it was was hated, and they have 5 months of reshoots planned, which is pretty much reshooting the whole movie. Which is whack b/c it won't make what those reshoots are gonna cost them b/c you can't polish a turd, and since they didn't fully chuck the original concept, there's probably no saving it...especially with a not-all-that-popular Cap after his D+ show...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (exHjb)

21 Most of this movie's male audience are male youtubers putting up reviews shitting all over it.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (f1kZG)

22 Ace, You obviously know a good deal about what you like in movies and what you don't like. I keep saying that I think you should work on a screenplay. You and James Madison could work on it together.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:25 PM (RSbhh)

23 "leave us with women who insult everyone, never betray the vulnerability that actual human beings possess, and drop tired joke after tired joke in lieu of real dialogue."

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This is what liberals are like in real life though.

They sling insults and can't be vulnerable because they are so insecure.

They can't have a real dialogue (everything is HAHAHA FAUX NEWS!!!) because they are abject simpletons.

Posted by: Jay in PA at November 13, 2023 05:25 PM (i7Q7S)

24 Remind me which company owns this franchise?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2023 05:25 PM (3Gtis)

25 Swear saw something on my phone from Google news it had a great weekend
Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 05:19 PM (fwDg9)

Great is now defined as having to make 16 times what it has so far to break even.

Also boosting the numbers is the fact that in the old days the opening weekend was only 3 days, now they have a premiere night too to make 4 days.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:25 PM (eoQWY)

26 14 {13} $46,110,859 Final OW tally

Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:23 PM (exHjb)

How much did they spend creating it?
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 13, 2023 05:23 PM (qPw5n)

It was $220M through 2022 - then they had reshoots this year...and then there was advertising costs.

Let's just say this is looking like the biggest financial bomb in Disney history, more than Mars Needs Moms and John Carter...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:25 PM (exHjb)

27 That joke was funny because it was true. Every man was thinking about killing a terrorist on every flight for years after 9/11.

Key and Peele were definitely ready for terries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiWIOKKuyGE

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at November 13, 2023 05:26 PM (lg881)

28 18 On the subject of comic book movies, Suicide Squad was almost unwatchable except for Margot Robbie's ass and then I discovered recently that they rebooted it in 2021. I made it through 25 minutes before I bailed.

What was the logic behind doing a crap movie again. Or maybe I'm in the minority and people liked the reboot?
Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (MNhXM)

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The original was a screwed up production made by David Ayers who had cache for 15 minutes before completely destroying it by making a terrible comic book movie that the studio desperately tried to save by handing the editing over to a commercial editing house (hint, it didn't save the film).

The sequel/remake/rebootquel, whatever, was what James Gunn got to do when he was fired from Disney and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 over his old Troma jokes on Twitter. They snatched him up, let him direct whatever he wanted, and he chose to go with Suicide Squad because he likes those weird characters off to the side.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:26 PM (GBKbO)

29 That picture of cocaine in Biden's locker is weird. The only time I've seen a vertically marked scale is flood markers on a road.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 13, 2023 05:27 PM (Wj/z9)

30 How much did they spend creating it?
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 13, 2023 05:23 PM
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They admitted $270 million, but it is likely more. Especially since that didn't include advertising.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 13, 2023 05:27 PM (f1kZG)

31 Woke is dying.
Celebrate!!

Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Do Not Kill at November 13, 2023 05:27 PM (gxokI)

32 They should make a movie about some super woman paying for my dinner, then seducing me. Starring Gina Carano of course.

Posted by: wth at November 13, 2023 05:27 PM (v0R5T)

33 Jacob Chansley, the ‘QAnon Shaman,’ Files Papers to Run for Congress in Arizona
He wants to run for the Libertarian Party.

Posted by: SMOD at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (RHGPo)

34 On the subject of comic book movies, Suicide Squad was almost unwatchable except for Margot Robbie's ass and then I discovered recently that they rebooted it in 2021. I made it through 25 minutes before I bailed.

The trailer is the better than the movie: https://tinyurl.com/3ndmbby4

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (YRsIm)

35 Despite twice as many men showing up to see this stinker as the women it is supposedly made for -- or the very young sub-tween girls it's actually made for, as Alachia Queen points out in her review -- you will not be surprised to discover that men are being blamed for the latest failure of women.

yeah. see, this intersects with all those dating silliness videos you see all over youtube. the men were *supposed* to hook up with single mothers and take them to the movie. and pay for a babysitter.

Posted by: anachronda at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (oY6Yp)

36 20 Whatever it was was hated, and they have 5 months of reshoots planned, which is pretty much reshooting the whole movie. Which is whack b/c it won't make what those reshoots are gonna cost them b/c you can't polish a turd, and since they didn't fully chuck the original concept, there's probably no saving it...especially with a not-all-that-popular Cap after his D+ show...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (exHjb)

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I just hope Iger gets desperate enough to keep his job that he starts firing high profile people below him like Kennedy (for reals this time) and Feige.

It would entertain me, especially when he ends up promoting the underlings who have learned that going woke is the only way forward for comic books and the firings do nothing to slow the disaster down.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (GBKbO)

37 I would never demand that Hallmark put in guns and karate to appeal to the male audience.
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I'd see that movie.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (Dm8we)

38 Let's just say this is looking like the biggest financial bomb in Disney history, more than Mars Needs Moms and John Carter...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:25 PM (exHjb)

John Carter got a bad rap at the box office just like Dredd.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (MNhXM)

39 Continue the Disney boycott with Wish over Thanksgiving...if you can hold out, The Shift (from Angel Studios) opens Dec 1, so you can have a nice post-T day movie going weekend...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (exHjb)

40 The sequel/remake/rebootquel, whatever, was what James Gunn got to do when he was fired from Disney and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 over his old Troma jokes on Twitter. They snatched him up, let him direct whatever he wanted, and he chose to go with Suicide Squad because he likes those weird characters off to the side.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:26 PM (GBKbO)

Few are going to complain that he's ruined the reputation of the psycho characters in his film.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (eoQWY)

41 "This is stupid and you're stupid for enjoying this and this is so stupid that we're not going to let you forget this is stupid."

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The late great Richard Jeni had a great 10 minute bit about this very fact using Jaws 4 as an example.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (wb1YC)

42 "So basically they're burning up the old film and making a completely different movie."

Yeeessss... spend more money, burn up your capital, so we can laugh at you as we skip this movie too~

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 13, 2023 05:29 PM (ou9hh)

43
"America is so super concerned about 1/6 even 3 years after it happened that they need to see us tackle it in the Captain America sequel!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:21 PM

I sometimes gauge the temperature of the left by my leftist sisters memes. Still playing on her FB page is 'January 6, Never Forget'. With the Capitol building instead of the World Trade Center. I think the left presupposes that is gonna win them an election over pocketbook issues. I guess we'll see.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 05:29 PM (enJYY)

44 if women aren't exactly like men, then they should be exactly like men, and we'll keep pumping out Men's Fantasies For Women until they're brainwashed into becoming men.

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Ace, you just cracked the trans code man!

Posted by: Inogame at November 13, 2023 05:29 PM (53oGX)

45 can somebody tell me what carrier has Matt Helm movies? Can't find them on Netflix or Amazon.

Posted by: DanMan at November 13, 2023 05:29 PM (8uzBS)

46 40 Few are going to complain that he's ruined the reputation of the psycho characters in his film.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (eoQWY)

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I think Gunn is far too in love with his characters, loses all sense of narrative form and momentum, and just likes to hang out with his creations more than tell a story.

I assume the Peacekeeper show was better than the Suicide Squad movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:30 PM (GBKbO)

47 37 I would never demand that Hallmark put in guns and karate to appeal to the male audience.
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I'd see that movie.

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Hey, let's not just gloss over this idea for a three-way Christmas.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 13, 2023 05:30 PM (wb1YC)

48 I would never demand that Hallmark put in guns and karate to appeal to the male audience.
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I'd see that movie.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (Dm8we)

"A Special Ninja Christmas". City Ninja goes back to the dojo and reconnects with the Ninja she left behind.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:30 PM (eoQWY)

49 38 Let's just say this is looking like the biggest financial bomb in Disney history, more than Mars Needs Moms and John Carter...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:25 PM (exHjb)

John Carter got a bad rap at the box office just like Dredd.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (MNhXM)

I don't disagree, but it is in the Disney bomb history making club - costs too much and brings in too little is just reality

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Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:30 PM (exHjb)

50 This is hilarious.

Disney is attempting to influence the 2024 elections by releasing-

this hyper-politicized, anti-Trump, anti-Jan6 hectoring lecture Captain America movie, which-

is bombing with preview audiences everywhere.

Disney really puts the "taint" in entertainment.*

hopefully, this one will open to a buck fiddy and make "The Marvels" look like a classic for the ages.

*iI know, I know but roll with me here.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 13, 2023 05:30 PM (QzZeQ)

51 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:26 PM (GBKbO)

Gunn's was unappealing and the land shark was just stupid in every way possible.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:31 PM (MNhXM)

52 >>>What was the logic behind doing a crap movie again. Or maybe I'm in the minority and people liked the reboot?

i gotta say i LOVED the reboot. Maybe give it more of a chance. Then again, if you didn't like the first 25 minutes, you won't like the rest. It's not like the movie suddenly changes tone after 25 minutes.

Posted by: ace the copycat at November 13, 2023 05:31 PM (KRtlO)

53 It wasn't just a chick movie, it had a strong lesbian undertone. It was really bad. So bad, I told my friend who convinced me to see it that I was going to tie them to the bumper and drive into a guardrail, then light them on fire for wasting my time.

Maybe Marvels next movie should be a quest to find Brie Larsen's missing ass.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 13, 2023 05:31 PM (MJIed)

54 I'm still laughing at the fact that feminist Disney Marvel's last ditch effort to get people to see this movie was to put a bunch of cats in it.

That's pure gold, that is.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 13, 2023 05:32 PM (wb1YC)

55 I think Gunn is far too in love with his characters, loses all sense of narrative form and momentum, and just likes to hang out with his creations more than tell a story.

I assume the Peacekeeper show was better than the Suicide Squad movie.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:30 PM (GBKbO)

He is at his best with a partner or editor...when he gets free reign, he can't handle it and gives in to his baser or crazier impulses to his product's detriment...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 13, 2023 05:32 PM (exHjb)

56 ahhhhh....good news.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:32 PM (xcxpd)

57 52 i gotta say i LOVED the reboot. Maybe give it more of a chance. Then again, if you didn't like the first 25 minutes, you won't like the rest. It's not like the movie suddenly changes tone after 25 minutes.
Posted by: ace the copycat at November 13, 2023 05:31 PM (KRtlO)

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I want Gunn to get a cowriter who can hammer his characters into a structured story.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:32 PM (GBKbO)

58 SMOD so he doesn't want to win, just raise money for a losing campaign

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 05:32 PM (fwDg9)

59 Nothing brightens my day like a Dying Disney post.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 05:33 PM (guGkK)

60 I think Hallmark Christmas romance movies are pretty silly, but I understand why they are so appealing to women, and I would never demand that Hallmark put in guns and karate to appeal to the male audience.

I will make this demand. And if it is not met, you are not going to like what I do to Nakatomi Plaza.

Posted by: The Spirit of Hans Gruber Future at November 13, 2023 05:34 PM (CjGGv)

61 How about that Mount Everest-sized asteroid headed our way? Is it close enough to do any good?

Posted by: Eromero at November 13, 2023 05:34 PM (NxC5+)

62 Posted by: ace the copycat at November 13, 2023 05:31 PM (KRtlO)

That's why I asked. Sometimes I'm not on the same page as the majority. I even enjoyed Prometheus.to a certain extent. 😀

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:34 PM (MNhXM)

63 Man, Indonesia really let Brie Larson down.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 05:34 PM (guGkK)

64 Is this gonna get Kathleen Kennedy fired??

Posted by: runner at November 13, 2023 05:34 PM (mM7ca)

65 The late great Richard Jeni had a great 10 minute bit about this very fact using Jaws 4 as an example.
Posted by: Azathoth at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (wb1YC)

Memories of watching his standup in the basement..dude was funny. RIP

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 13, 2023 05:35 PM (5yFqm)

66 i don't think I've ever seen a Hallmark movie special that is intended for mostly female audiences.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:35 PM (RSbhh)

67 The aftermath: Captain America 4, starring Not Captain America but his black friend cospaying as Captain America, has been delayed for a year, supposedly for reshoots.

typo is funny because anthony mackie probably expected to laugh all the way to the bank.

Posted by: anachronda at November 13, 2023 05:35 PM (oY6Yp)

68
1970's Linda Carter Wonder woman.

That's all.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 13, 2023 05:35 PM (+oR7L)

69 64 Is this gonna get Kathleen Kennedy fired??

sure. if by "fired" you mean "promoted".

Posted by: anachronda at November 13, 2023 05:36 PM (oY6Yp)

70 I'm still laughing at the fact that feminist Disney Marvel's last ditch effort to get people to see this movie was to put a bunch of cats in it.

That's pure gold, that is.
Posted by: Azathoth at November 13, 2023 05:32 PM (wb1YC)

I might go see it if they dumped the woke chicks and had more cats.

Cats are the least woke animal possible. Yeah you go girl....over to the drawer where the cat treats are and feed me.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:37 PM (eoQWY)

71 Not going to see this movie, only one I saw was the first Ironman a lifetime ago. Could someone explain the deal with the cats? I thought that was a parody and it's actually part of the film. Also, isn't Nick Fury the boss man in this one, so it's not a strong female boss.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 13, 2023 05:37 PM (2NHgQ)

72 The content views for The Marvels make it sound like a bad movie. Not a Woke movie, just not well written. In a way, that's actually improvement.

But Brie showed her ass in all the wrong ways during the MeToo frenzy and nobody wants to see Captain Marvel now, in any way. Hell there isn't even any porn of her on Pornhub.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:37 PM (xcxpd)

73 "I also get why they think they're stupid -- they are kind of stupid."

The most brain dead 80s action movie isn't half as stupid as your average romantic comedy or other chick flick movie. I would watch "Revenge of the Ninja" a thousand times before I watched a single Sara Jessica Parker flick.

And testosterone laden action flicks aren't all dumb either; look at prestige movies like "Heat" or "Collateral"; shit, "Predator" is a layered movie if you think about it.

Posted by: UGAdawg at November 13, 2023 05:38 PM (tRd71)

74 No Hallmark movies are ever intended for a male audience, anymore than any romance novel is intended for a male audience.

There are romance novels I like actually, but they are rare.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM (xcxpd)

75 i don't think I've ever seen a Hallmark movie special that is intended for mostly female audiences.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:35 PM (RSbhh)

I don't think the 2 show series about marrying a Prince of a vaguely European nation was made for middle American males.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM (eoQWY)

76 73 And testosterone laden action flicks aren't all dumb either; look at prestige movies like "Heat" or "Collateral"; shit, "Predator" is a layered movie if you think about it.
Posted by: UGAdawg at November 13, 2023 05:38 PM (tRd71)

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In genre filmmaking, there's always going to be a top layer, but then there's also going to be a whole iceberg under the water of crap.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM (GBKbO)

77 48 I would never demand that Hallmark put in guns and karate to appeal to the male audience.
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I'd see that movie.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (Dm8we)

"A Special Ninja Christmas". City Ninja goes back to the dojo and reconnects with the Ninja she left behind.

add in many wardrobe malfunctions for the protagoness and i'm in.

Posted by: anachronda at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM (oY6Yp)

78 Never thought Linda Carter was sexy.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM (Wj/z9)

79 Never have seen Sarah Jessica Parker in anything either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM (RSbhh)

80 I would never demand that Hallmark put in guns and karate to appeal to the male audience.
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There goes my treatment of a combination chocolate shoppe-antique bookstore-martial arts training gym being driven from the neighbourhood by a "WallyMart" big box chainstore saved by the spunky small-town lawyer's sea-otter-loving daughter.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 13, 2023 05:40 PM (krqg6)

81 I just realized Brie Larson was in the Marky Mark movie , The Gambler . Another movie where I'm in the minority as I thought it was good and better than the original with James Caan.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:40 PM (MNhXM)

82 63 Man, Indonesia really let Brie Larson down.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 05:34 PM (guGkK)

Did overseas markets not position Mx. Larson for success?!

Posted by: Dr. T at November 13, 2023 05:40 PM (Mu3lv)

83 I haven’t watched a movie since 1955!!

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 05:40 PM (P5BwU)

84 Ok I have been reading Ace of Shades since mid 00's I followed Alachia since her Warcraft Podcast days around 05. I can honestly say I never expect these ven Diagrams to cross

Posted by: Dr. No at November 13, 2023 05:40 PM (Ku6NF)

85
Silent Night, Deadly Night 1984 is the best guy Christmas movie. Bloody, Stupid, add some beer and what's not to like?

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 13, 2023 05:40 PM (+oR7L)

86 Even the dumbest action movies have something propelling the action forward. Chick flicks are like hour-and-a-half tampon commercials. Feelings, feelings, feelings, and endless talking.

Posted by: I don't know how they even sit through that horseshit. at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (CjGGv)

87 57 52 i gotta say i LOVED the reboot. Maybe give it more of a chance. Then again, if you didn't like the first 25 minutes, you won't like the rest. It's not like the movie suddenly changes tone after 25 minutes.
Posted by: ace the copycat at November 13, 2023 05:31 PM (KRtlO)

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I want Gunn to get a cowriter who can hammer his characters into a structured story.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:32 PM (GBKbO)

Gunn's 'The Suicide Squad' has a pretty well done story. Its not as good as some of the animated movies but pretty good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (xcxpd)

88 "I told her that I collect women's ears in a bucket."

"So, an improvement."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (GBKbO)

89 Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM (eoQWY

My point was I don't watch any Hallmark specials, not that I think "girl marries the prince" are movies intended for men.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (RSbhh)

90 78 Never thought Linda Carter was sexy.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM

Whhhhhhaaaaat?

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (fwDg9)

91 71 Not going to see this movie, only one I saw was the first Ironman a lifetime ago. Could someone explain the deal with the cats? I thought that was a parody and it's actually part of the film. Also, isn't Nick Fury the boss man in this one, so it's not a strong female boss.

except most of the reviews i've seen have complained that nick fury isn't really nick fury, but a toned down soy-challenged one. and his eye gets clawed out by captain marvel's cat.

Posted by: anachronda at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (oY6Yp)

92 Never thought Linda Carter was sexy.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM (Wj/z9)

I thought she was a butterface. Again minority but something about her type of face structure is unattractive to me .

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:42 PM (MNhXM)

93 Meanwhile.... Coyote vs Acme... a Loony Tunes plus live action movie, like Roger Rabbit, was finished but the studio was going to take a tax loss on it, and not even sell it.

Enough people had seen it that there was enough public outcry to change the studios mind... and they will now sell it to a distributor.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2023 05:42 PM (xaFKb)

94
I think Hallmark Christmas romance movies are pretty silly, but I understand why they are so appealing to women, and I would never demand that Hallmark put in guns and karate to appeal to the male audience.

I pay about 5.99 a month to have my wife enjoy those movies and take out her emotions on the make believe characters instead of me. Worth every penny.

There's absolutely nothing they could add to the scripts to interest me. Even if the Mountie and the schoolteacher were Peter North and Ava Adams gettin' busy in the back of the schoolhouse after the kids left.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 05:42 PM (enJYY)

95 78 Never thought Linda Carter was sexy.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM

She was to my 12 year old self when she was on TV.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 13, 2023 05:42 PM (+oR7L)

96 Posted by: I don't know how they even sit through that horseshit. at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (CjGGv)

Wow; Me and women might have different interests in movies? That's totally amazing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:42 PM (RSbhh)

97 87 Gunn's 'The Suicide Squad' has a pretty well done story. Its not as good as some of the animated movies but pretty good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (xcxpd)

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I've only seen it the once, but it meanders so much while its different character beats don't really mesh on any level other than they're happening in the same physical space.

He's one of those "visionaries" who desperately needs a cowriter.

I wish more "visionaries" used cowriters. Imagine someone like Neill Blomkamp with a strong cowriter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:43 PM (GBKbO)

98 No Hallmark movies are ever intended for a male audience, anymore than any romance novel is intended for a male audience.

There are romance novels I like actually, but they are rare.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM (xcxpd)

Being a manical reader I often read my moms romance books when the supply of other books ran out, so I agree they can be interesting enough. I remember one where the hunk was a time traveller come back for some reason. The best ones have better twists and writing overall, but the formula remains. Male spy/special forces books also have a familiar formula. Nobody ever 'gets badk together' with the Isis hit squad or whatever is the bad guy.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:43 PM (eoQWY)

99 Never thought Linda Carter was sexy.
Posted by: Braenyard

Duuuuuude!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 13, 2023 05:43 PM (dhhKu)

100 96-Meant "men and women".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:44 PM (RSbhh)

101 45 can somebody tell me what carrier has Matt Helm movies? Can't find them on Netflix or Amazon.

have you tried the $5 $7.50 (thanks, joe!) tub'o'movies at wal-mart?

Posted by: anachronda at November 13, 2023 05:44 PM (oY6Yp)

102 I'm still laughing at the fact that feminist Disney Marvel's last ditch effort to get people to see this movie was to put a bunch of cats in it.

Not cats. Flerkens.

Posted by: Chuck C at November 13, 2023 05:44 PM (MwZpx)

103 93 Meanwhile.... Coyote vs Acme... a Loony Tunes plus live action movie, like Roger Rabbit, was finished but the studio was going to take a tax loss on it, and not even sell it.

Enough people had seen it that there was enough public outcry to change the studios mind... and they will now sell it to a distributor.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2023 05:42 PM (xaFKb)

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Few people had seen it (it had test screened at least once), but the creatives behind it were very vocal about the writeoff while other creatives who had deals pending were threatening to not sign if WB did it.

I also somewhat doubt the great test screening scores because these live-action/animated mashups are very rarely good. Even Joe Dante completely failed at it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:44 PM (GBKbO)

104 Lynda Carter and Jane Russell have the same look.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:44 PM (MNhXM)

105 There are romance novels I like actually, but they are rare.
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The Al Bundy pirate novella!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0642347/

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 13, 2023 05:45 PM (krqg6)

106 Pretty sure Nick Fury might be a dude, but he's had his balls removed. Maybe Brie Larsen put them in her back pockets to make her ass look normal.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 13, 2023 05:45 PM (MJIed)

107 Never thought Linda Carter was sexy.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 13, 2023 05:39 PM

Stop swiping other people's nics, garrett!

Posted by: Dr. T at November 13, 2023 05:45 PM (Mu3lv)

108
I think movies like this actually make people hate strong women.

Just like we are all supposed to hate all strong men.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 13, 2023 05:45 PM (+oR7L)

109 Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 13, 2023 05:37 PM (2NHgQ)

First Iron Man... good.
First Captain America... good
First Thor... good...

After those three, the whole thing rapidly degraded... kinda like Disco, it was good until it became too popular, and too many people wanted to be involved.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2023 05:45 PM (xaFKb)

110 I pay about 5.99 a month to have my wife enjoy those movies and take out her emotions on the make believe characters instead of me.

What does that mean?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:45 PM (RSbhh)

111 My wife: wanna watch a dumb Lifetime Movie with me?

Me: Can Inmake comments about it while we watch?

Wife: no

Me; Then no, I do not 🤣

Posted by: Montec at November 13, 2023 05:45 PM (P5BwU)

112 A Hallmark Movie (type) designed to appeal to Male audiences, too;
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies

Posted by: Web Advertisers at November 13, 2023 05:46 PM (i9ffA)

113 "Women like seeing movies were one person dies slowly. Men like seeing movies where many people die quickly."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 13, 2023 05:46 PM (CHHv1)

114 Not going to see this movie, only one I saw was the first Ironman a lifetime ago. Could someone explain the deal with the cats? I thought that was a parody and it's actually part of the film. Also, isn't Nick Fury the boss man in this one, so it's not a strong female boss.

except most of the reviews i've seen have complained that nick fury isn't really nick fury, but a toned down soy-challenged one. and his eye gets clawed out by captain marvel's cat.
Posted by: anachronda at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (oY6Yp)

The eye claw out was in the LAST Cap Marvel Movie, not this one. Fury was pretty emasculated in the Secret Invasion series and supposedly the same is true in this one.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:46 PM (eoQWY)

115 And let's not forget: The highest grossing movie of the year is a movie not made for men, and is not a boys movie turned into a girls movie. Its a movie made for women. Barbie.

Imagine that, making a movie for a specific audience and not trying to subvert it to get a theoretical one.

Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2023 05:47 PM (aRLgQ)

116 Find Linda Carter in The Battle of the Network Stars in her swimsuit.

Posted by: davidt at November 13, 2023 05:47 PM (SYTee)

117 114 The eye claw out was in the LAST Cap Marvel Movie, not this one. Fury was pretty emasculated in the Secret Invasion series and supposedly the same is true in this one.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:46 PM (eoQWY)

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See, this is why I didn't go see The Marvels.

I hadn't done all of my homework on it yet.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:47 PM (GBKbO)

118 The reviews by the usual people on YouTube , Doomcock, Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic etc all seem to say that by the end of the movie you just don't care. That is the kiss of death for any form of entertainment

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 13, 2023 05:47 PM (n+eLX)

119 The Falcon And The Snowman > The Falcon And The Winter Soldier

Actually, both stink but one is an adult stink bomb and the other is an 8 year olds stink bomb.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 13, 2023 05:47 PM (R/m4+)

120 97 87 Gunn's 'The Suicide Squad' has a pretty well done story. Its not as good as some of the animated movies but pretty good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (xcxpd)

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I've only seen it the once, but it meanders so much while its different character beats don't really mesh on any level other than they're happening in the same physical space.

He's one of those "visionaries" who desperately needs a cowriter.

I wish more "visionaries" used cowriters. Imagine someone like Neill Blomkamp with a strong cowriter.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:43 PM (GBKbO)

There's a very clear through line: diversion fakeout, the real landing, find the rebels, get to the capital, find and destroy Starro. There are some complications along the way, but it's basically a superhero commando movie, it has a very simple structure.

Yet Gunn does sprinkle in moments like King Shark viewing the world in the van, a world he'll never enjoy. Or Peacemaker's turn and a surprisingly good performance from JOHN CENA.

Gunn probably hates everything I love but he's not a bad filmmaker.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:48 PM (xcxpd)

121 24 Remind me which company owns this franchise?

*three spidermans pointing at each other meme, only with the spidermans replaced by mickies mouse*

Posted by: anachronda at November 13, 2023 05:48 PM (oY6Yp)

122 >>> can somebody tell me what carrier has Matt Helm movies? Can't find them on Netflix or Amazon.

The Wrecking Crew is on Amazon now. Amazon or its ad supported "FreeVee" channel.

Posted by: ace the copycat at November 13, 2023 05:49 PM (KRtlO)

123 I like RomComs a lot but Hallmark makes Romance novels. Not a fan.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:49 PM (MNhXM)

124 120 There's a very clear through line: diversion fakeout, the real landing, find the rebels, get to the capital, find and destroy Starro. There are some complications along the way, but it's basically a superhero commando movie, it has a very simple structure.

Yet Gunn does sprinkle in moments like King Shark viewing the world in the van, a world he'll never enjoy. Or Peacemaker's turn and a surprisingly good performance from JOHN CENA.

Gunn probably hates everything I love but he's not a bad filmmaker.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:48 PM (xcxpd)

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The plot is straightforward, but all of his character beats, which frequently stop the film, feel like they come from another film. They're distractions rather than additions.

Hence, the sagginess.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:49 PM (GBKbO)

125 i gotta say i LOVED the reboot. Maybe give it more of a chance. Then again, if you didn't like the first 25 minutes, you won't like the rest. It's not like the movie suddenly changes tone after 25 minutes.
Posted by: ace the copycat at November 13, 2023 05:31 PM (KRtlO)

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I want Gunn to get a cowriter who can hammer his characters into a structured story.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:32 PM (GBKbO)

Gunn's 'The Suicide Squad' has a pretty well done story. Its not as good as some of the animated movies but pretty good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:41 PM (xcxpd)

What I like most about James Gunn is that he's willing to highlight old weird golden/silver age characters like Starro,

who I would've like to have seen as he originally appeared, fighting the Justice League.

Gunn would actually be perfect to resurrect the old "Dial H for Hero" series which has plenty of wacky heroes and insane villains.

Too bad Max already shit all over the Doom Patrol cuz that's another one that has James Gunn written all over it.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 13, 2023 05:49 PM (QzZeQ)

126 Matt Helm movies don't hold up IMO. At least not as well as the Flint movies.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:50 PM (MNhXM)

127 My father-in-law went to see “The Marvels” this weekend.

I should begin by saying my father-in-law pays ZERO attention to pop culture. If he watches movies at all, it’s usually just old movies he has on DVD. He knew NOTHING about this movie or any of the recent Marvel or Disney drama. He just decided to take his girlfriend to a movie for date night and they decided on “The Marvels” because they saw a Marvel movie several years ago and it was, in his words, “a lot of fun.” They thought this would be more of the same. He was going into the theater as a total neophyte; this is probably Disney’s best-case scenario for a potential viewer.

He hated it, of course, but it was hilarious to hear his account, from a guy who’s totally out of the loop on all this stuff. “It was so bad! It was just a bunch of girl stuff, just girls talking! There was no action stuff at all! Who makes a superhero movie where nothing exciting happens?” His girlfriend hated it too, for the same reasons. He said he’s been telling everybody he knows not to go see it.

Good job, Disney!

Posted by: Ex-liberal at November 13, 2023 05:50 PM (XdH1u)

128 115 And let's not forget: The highest grossing movie of the year is a movie not made for men, and is not a boys movie turned into a girls movie. Its a movie made for women. Barbie.

Imagine that, making a movie for a specific audience and not trying to subvert it to get a theoretical one.
Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2023 05:47 PM (aRLgQ)

yeah, but the next 4 are all 'boy' movies: Super Mario, Spiderman, GOTG3 and then Oppenheimer.

But I get your point, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:50 PM (xcxpd)

129 There are romance novels I like actually, but they are rare.
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The Al Bundy pirate novella!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0642347/
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 13, 2023 05:45 PM (krqg6)

The very very old SF stories, before the dedicated magazines caught hold often had a strong romance element. Girl and Guy tossed together in an SF situation, end up getting married at the end when its resolved - unless its a sequel and they were married at the start.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 05:51 PM (eoQWY)

130 James Gunn's DC universe is likely fucked. Look up who is on his writing team. Pretty sure its people who are responsible for the stories that helped to destroy the comic book industry.

Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2023 05:51 PM (aRLgQ)

131 128 yeah, but the next 4 are all 'boy' movies: Super Mario, Spiderman, GOTG3 and then Oppenheimer.

But I get your point, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:50 PM (xcxpd)

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Women will go to the movies if movies are made for them, but studios are busy trying to turn boy movies into girl movies for some reason.

It's almost like the stereotype of the clueless studio executive is true, or something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:51 PM (GBKbO)

132
What does that mean?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:45 PM

Women enjoy getting emotional. Hallmark stuff gets them emotional. Would I prefer she get emotional by creating some drama in our lives? Hell no.

Something only tangentially related is my wife got some vaccine for something before I had a chance to research it. Side effect? Hostility. No f'n kidding. Rough buncha months. Maybe married couples should have to cosign or at least get informed consent about what Big Pharma is doing.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 05:52 PM (enJYY)

133 No Hallmark movies are ever intended for a male audience, anymore than any romance novel is intended for a male audience.

Didn't Adam Corolla star in one where the situation was somewhat reversed (he lost big city job, moved back to Palookaville, meets young widow, romantic interest starts slowly, etc.)?

BUT, the woman's dead husband had an epic woodshop in the backyard barn and much of the dialog took place there.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 13, 2023 05:52 PM (dhhKu)

134 What I like most about James Gunn is that he's willing to highlight old weird golden/silver age characters like Starro,

who I would've like to have seen as he originally appeared, fighting the Justice League.

Gunn would actually be perfect to resurrect the old "Dial H for Hero" series which has plenty of wacky heroes and insane villains.

Too bad Max already shit all over the Doom Patrol cuz that's another one that has James Gunn written all over it.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 13, 2023 05:49 PM (QzZeQ)

I don't like Doom Patrol but I'd pay to see him do 'Dial H for Hero'. I dunno. Unlike Midnight's Edge, I'm prepared to judge his content after it's out rather than ranting about him now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:52 PM (xcxpd)

135 Will Ferrell and Kristen Wiig were in a Hallmark movie once.

I sought it out and watched it.

It was...a bad Hallmark movie. The joke was just that they were in it. That was it.

It's called A Deadly Adoption.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:53 PM (GBKbO)

136 I hadn't heard of that one, sounds interesting?

There's 'Pure Country' with George Strait which is kinda structured the same way.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:53 PM (xcxpd)

137 Maybe they should just keep remaking Beaches.

Posted by: OCBill at November 13, 2023 05:54 PM (qyvP/)

138 130 James Gunn's DC universe is likely fucked. Look up who is on his writing team. Pretty sure its people who are responsible for the stories that helped to destroy the comic book industry.
Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2023 05:51 PM (aRLgQ)

Who is on his writing team? Please tell me it's not Joe Quesada. Lie to me if you have to...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:55 PM (xcxpd)

139 Posted by: Tonypete at November 13, 2023 05:52 PM (dhhKu)

Not quite. The movie is Road Hard and it's pretty good. I would call it a semi RomCom.

It's about him having to go back on the road to do stand up.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:55 PM (MNhXM)

140 78 Never thought Linda Carter was sexy.

She was no Honey West.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 05:56 PM (guGkK)

141 Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 05:52 PM (enJYY)

I am sorry you were having these difficulties because of some medication she was taking.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:56 PM (RSbhh)

142 yeah, but the next 4 are all 'boy' movies: Super Mario, Spiderman, GOTG3 and then Oppenheimer.

But I get your point, too.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:50 PM (xcxpd)

That is more of the point though. I don't think I'd call Mario a boy movie either. Its a movie for Mario/Nintendo fans. Which is again making the movie for the fans and not shitting all over them for a theoretical audience. Look at Five Nights At Freddy's. $20 million dollar budget but was made for the fans of that franchise and its made over $200 million even though it was available on streaming day one.

Make your movies for the audience and stop trying to chase a theoretical larger audience if you just make a few changes.

Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2023 05:56 PM (aRLgQ)

143 The only person happy about the Marvel's box office is Tom Hiddleston.

And that's because his wife's movie cratered worse than Loki season 2 did.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 13, 2023 05:56 PM (wb1YC)

144
I know so many married couples who divorced during covid at the exact same time as some new vaccine (for pneumonia) with a side effect of 'hostility' was introduced.

A divorce lawyers dream. But this is the reality we live in.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 05:57 PM (enJYY)

145 I've been watching Outlander lately. Have enjoyed it so far. I would consider it to be a good men and women's series. It's got stuff for both.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 13, 2023 05:57 PM (BdMk6)

146 Who is on his writing team? Please tell me it's not Joe Quesada. Lie to me if you have to...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:55 PM (xcxpd)

I believe it includes Tom King and possibly Kelly Sue DeConnick.

Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2023 05:58 PM (aRLgQ)

147 They aren't chasing an audience when they change a boy movie into a girl movie. They're trying to emasculate boy culture.

Posted by: davidt at November 13, 2023 05:58 PM (SYTee)

148 My curse, if you can call it that, is to be attracted to these sour faced harpies.

Lord help me, but I would, Brie Larson. Oh yes I would.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 13, 2023 05:58 PM (dGCAG)

149 I know so many married couples who divorced during covid at the exact same time as some new vaccine (for pneumonia) with a side effect of 'hostility' was introduced.

A divorce lawyers dream. But this is the reality we live in.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 05:57 PM (enJYY)

I think Adam Carolla got divorced during COVID.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:59 PM (MNhXM)

150 Make your movies for the audience and stop trying to chase a theoretical larger audience if you just make a few changes.
Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2023 05:56 PM (aRLgQ)

This is the problem with the dying of the movie industry here. When you made several dozen features annually you made some for pretty much all audiences. I personally can't stand those dance movies they used to make back then, but enough people did that they made a lot of em.

Now with only a few movies coming out per year, and taking years to make them they only have so many shots, and they have to force all of them to fit their idea of where the audience is, or must be forced to be.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:00 PM (eoQWY)

151
I am sorry you were having these difficulties because of some medication she was taking.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2023 05:56 PM

It was a new vaccine for pneumonia. Serious question for you... if your husband were to be advised to take a vaccine for pneumonia and the side effect was 'hostility' - should you not be part of 'informed consent'?

Also, vice versa.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 06:00 PM (enJYY)

152 Didn't Antman get emasculated in the last Antman movie?

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:00 PM (MNhXM)

153 146 Who is on his writing team? Please tell me it's not Joe Quesada. Lie to me if you have to...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:55 PM (xcxpd)

I believe it includes Tom King and possibly Kelly Sue DeConnick.
Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2023 05:58 PM (aRLgQ)

Oh great...a feminist and a male feminist. That sounds like death.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 06:01 PM (xcxpd)

154 I don't like Doom Patrol but I'd pay to see him do 'Dial H for Hero'. I dunno. Unlike Midnight's Edge, I'm prepared to judge his content after it's out rather than ranting about him now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 05:52 PM (xcxpd)

Oh, he may shit the bed, but -

he seems to be a guy who likes and has actually read fairly deep into the comic world, which, you know, would seem to be a prerequisite for writing and directing comic book movies.

Though I do suspect that the era of the comic book movie may be mostly over. Disney pretty much murdered it and DC's lousy product buried the body.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 13, 2023 06:01 PM (QzZeQ)

155 "Women like seeing movies were one person dies slowly. Men like seeing movies where many people die quickly."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 13, 2023 05:46 PM (CHHv1)

Love Story could have used a quicker death. Man, that chick just dragged on forever.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 06:01 PM (guGkK)

156 I would watch "Revenge of the Ninja" a thousand times before I watched a single Sara Jessica Parker flick.
Posted by: UGAdawg at November 13, 2023 05:38 PM (tRd71)

I liked her in L.A. Story, admittedly a Steve Martin film, but she was the lead female.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at November 13, 2023 06:01 PM (lg881)

157 The idea that men are allergic to romance is dumb. The Bond novels have romance (they are not at all like the movies in which every romantic interest is a fuckdoll with a goofy name) - at least not the first five books that I've read so far. Women's romance movies are largely brainless. It's not like Hallmark is producing Jane Austen-quality movies.

Posted by: Senselessness and Insensibility at November 13, 2023 06:02 PM (CjGGv)

158 156 I would watch "Revenge of the Ninja" a thousand times before I watched a single Sara Jessica Parker flick.
Posted by: UGAdawg at November 13, 2023 05:38 PM (tRd71)

I liked her in L.A. Story, admittedly a Steve Martin film, but she was the lead female.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at November 13, 2023 06:01 PM (lg881)

Very bouncy and jiggly back then. Not as horsey.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 06:02 PM (xcxpd)

159 Love Story could have used a quicker death. Man, that chick just dragged on forever.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 06:01 PM (guGkK)

By the end of that movie I was hoping for Ryan O'Neal to die as well.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2023 06:02 PM (3Gtis)

160 Didn't Antman get emasculated in the last Antman movie?
Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:00 PM (MNhXM)

All men are emasculated in all movies and shows these days that the networks control. The exceptions, well, make a ton of money.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:02 PM (eoQWY)

161 BidenBucks! Love the tag. Hate the buck.

Posted by: JM in /Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at November 13, 2023 06:03 PM (5zjm+)

162
Love Story could have used a quicker death. Man, that chick just dragged on forever.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 06:01 PM [/i

That story was written about Tipper and me. Look it up.

Posted by: Al Gore at November 13, 2023 06:03 PM (enJYY)

163 Didn't Antman get emasculated in the last Antman movie?
Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:00 PM (MNhXM)

Like all Marvel movies over the last few years, Antman was the sidekick in his own movie, and-

the dopey sidekick at that.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 13, 2023 06:03 PM (QzZeQ)

164 156 I would watch "Revenge of the Ninja" a thousand times before I watched a single Sara Jessica Parker flick.
Posted by: UGAdawg at November 13, 2023 05:38 PM (tRd71)

I liked her in L.A. Story, admittedly a Steve Martin film, but she was the lead female.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti

Mars Attacks

Posted by: davidt at November 13, 2023 06:03 PM (SYTee)

165 Didn't Antman get emasculated in the last Antman movie?
Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:00 PM (MNhXM)
......

Anteunuch?

Posted by: wth at November 13, 2023 06:04 PM (v0R5T)

166 150 Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:00 PM (eoQWY)

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Nah. Movie production is ridiculously high right now. It's not a few movies a year. We get at least 2 wide releases every week of the year, plus a plethora of limited releases at the same time. Not to mention all the stuff for streaming.

The problem is that the top tier, in terms of budgets and marketing, have become very uniform in trying to chase the billion dollar box office. Marvel set the formula more than a decade ago, and every studio is still trying to chase it to one degree or another, in one form or another, to this very day.

Barbie is the weird example of it. Before it was even released, Mattel and WB were talking about a shared universe. It's just that Barbie broke the mold when it came to how the individual pieces play out: it was for girls explicitly.

There's a lot more coming out than comic book movies, but they just don't get the cultural rhetoric at the right scale to capture a lot people's attention.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 06:04 PM (GBKbO)

167 I am not sure Jay Mohr as the definition of masculinity is as great a flex as all that.

But the point is well taken. A lot of guys were like oh come on mother fucker just TRY to take my plane. I don't think there were many women with that thought process.

Posted by: blaster at November 13, 2023 06:05 PM (dWjpk)

168 159 Love Story could have used a quicker death. Man, that chick just dragged on forever.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 06:01 PM (guGkK)

By the end of that movie I was hoping for Ryan O'Neal to die as well.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2023 06:02 PM (3Gtis)

========

It's no The English Patient.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 06:05 PM (GBKbO)

169 My wife has been streaming some really, really bad movies lately. A lot of "end of the world" shit. Totally unbelievable. The writing sucks, the acting sucks and the plot is totally unrealistic.

The "effects" are drawn with crayons.

But I sit through them with her. That's what is important.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 13, 2023 06:07 PM (Q4IgG)

170 They aren't chasing an audience when they change a boy movie into a girl movie. They're trying to emasculate boy culture.
Posted by: davidt at November 13, 2023 05:58 PM (SYTee)

Concur. Many moons ago, Rush Bingbang had an episode where he said to pay attention to the subtle changes Hollyweird will do to a book when the movie is made. I went that weekend and saw that POS "Yourassinit Park" and sure enough, in the book a boy is the hero while in the movie it's a girl.

Subtle. But done on purpose.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 13, 2023 06:07 PM (R/m4+)

171 Sweet November >> Love Story

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:07 PM (MNhXM)

172 Love Story could have used a quicker death. Man, that chick just dragged on forever.

***

That's nothing...

I remember spending an entire week one night sitting through "Terms of Endearment" after being dragged into it by my girlfriend.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 13, 2023 06:08 PM (wb1YC)

173 Can't we have a bad guy wrestle Brie Larson in a t-shirt that gets soaked by sweat and, you know. I'd go to see that.

Said no one, ever.

Posted by: JM in /Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at November 13, 2023 06:08 PM (5zjm+)

174
I started to type in 'Al Gore Love Story' and I only got as far as "Al Gore L" before it popped up.

Dudes been lying his ass off a long, long time.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 06:09 PM (enJYY)

175 172 Love Story could have used a quicker death. Man, that chick just dragged on forever.

***

That's nothing...

I remember spending an entire week one night sitting through "Terms of Endearment" after being dragged into it by my girlfriend.
Posted by: Azathoth at November 13, 2023 06:08 PM (wb1YC)

Lithgow dripped estrogen....

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2023 06:09 PM (PCK5/)

176 I know nothing about Rebel Moon, but they did a big trailer reveal on Sunday Night Football last night. All it showed was a 90-pound girl beating a bunch of 250 lb male body builders half to death.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 13, 2023 06:09 PM (CwhoI)

177 Love Story could have used a quicker death. Man, that chick just dragged on forever.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)

By the end of that movie I was hoping for Ryan O'Neal to die as well.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Couple that with the worst relationship ever: "Love means never to have to say you're sorry" and you've got a stinker.

Pee Yew!!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 13, 2023 06:09 PM (dhhKu)

178 This is the problem with the dying of the movie industry here. When you made several dozen features annually you made some for pretty much all audiences. I personally can't stand those dance movies they used to make back then, but enough people did that they made a lot of em.

Now with only a few movies coming out per year, and taking years to make them they only have so many shots, and they have to force all of them to fit their idea of where the audience is, or must be forced to be.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:00 PM (eoQWY)

I think the toadies in Hollywood would rather try to make big blockbuster extravaganzas in very small numbers, make big money, then travel on their yachts for most of the year instead of making smaller, cheaper movies throughout the seasons. I think a lot of good stories are lost because they just can't be adapted to a type of grand presentation.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 13, 2023 06:09 PM (BdMk6)

179 Women don't think farts are funny.
Men, of all ages, will laugh at a fart.

That's why women will never get why men like action movies.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 13, 2023 06:10 PM (TzW+Y)

180 It's a real tribute to the greatness of masculinity that the only way Hollywood feminists can think of to make a female protagonist strong is to make her as masculine as possible.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 13, 2023 06:10 PM (9yUzE)

181 I pay about 5.99 a month to have my wife enjoy those movies and take out her emotions on the make believe characters instead of me. Worth every penny.

...

I get so much counterstrike gaming time out of my wife watching Hallmark movies.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 13, 2023 06:10 PM (z/ifB)

182
Self-effacing comment. This entire thread is Greek to me. I'm completely out of touch with the world of entertainment.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2023 06:10 PM (XeU6L)

183 Random movie recommendation.

If you like Groundhog Day I recommend you watch Palm Springs. I really liked Groundhog Day but actually liked Palm Springs just a bit better.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:11 PM (MNhXM)

184 My wife watches Hallmark Christmas movies ... in August. After the movie ends, she flips the channel over to some real-life murder mystery that typically has a woman either raped, murdered, or both.

Yet somehow, cognitive dissonance does not ensue.

Some things truly are beyond the ken of the male mind to comprehend!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 13, 2023 06:11 PM (HlyYF)

185 I liked her in L.A. Story, admittedly a Steve Martin film, but she was the lead female.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti

Mrs. Ed?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 13, 2023 06:11 PM (dhhKu)

186 Jane Austen novels have been filmed many times, including the horrible variation with the zombies. Great stories but limited to a few. I've often wondered why no one has tried to film Georgette Heyer novels. She turned out one a year for years. Of course the ultimate horror would be someone absolutely ruining The Grand Sophie for example.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 13, 2023 06:11 PM (2NHgQ)

187 You know, if they made an obvious Trump Super Hero movie they’d likely make a fortune. Why are these fagz not interested in getting rich?

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 13, 2023 06:12 PM (/UtnQ)

188 182
Self-effacing comment. This entire thread is Greek to me. I'm completely out of touch with the world of entertainment.

***

It's okay, so is Hollywood.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 13, 2023 06:12 PM (wb1YC)

189 Can't we have a bad guy wrestle Brie Larson in a t-shirt that gets soaked by sweat and, you know. I'd go to see that.

Said no one, ever.
Posted by: JM in /Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at November 13, 2023 06:08 PM (5zjm+)

I would wrassle her, but you prolly don't want to see me in a wet t-shirt either.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 13, 2023 06:12 PM (dGCAG)

190 My wife has been streaming some really, really bad movies lately. A lot of "end of the world" shit. Totally unbelievable. The writing sucks, the acting sucks and the plot is totally unrealistic.

The "effects" are drawn with crayons.

But I sit through them with her. That's what is important.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 13, 2023 06:07 PM (Q4IgG)

Try "The Brain that Wouldn't Die". Doctor has a serum for transplants he experiments with. Has a car accident and his fiance's head gets severed. He keeps her alive, and then the rest of the movie is him trying to find a matching body to attach her head to. The head gains psychic powers and uses them to stop his body snatching plans.

Its the kind of movie that puts your forgetting the milk the other day in perspective.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:12 PM (eoQWY)

191 Ace: "Were women having these fantasies? I never heard they were."

Not stabbing pens, no. But watch out for their arsenic-laced sammiches.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at November 13, 2023 06:12 PM (aXxgO)

192 Only girl power movie I have liked is Peppermint. I don't know why . I should have hated it.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:12 PM (MNhXM)

193 Self-effacing comment. This entire thread is Greek to me. I'm completely out of touch with the world of entertainment.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Do what I do: Waffle House - Friday or Saturday 0100-0300.

Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 13, 2023 06:12 PM (dhhKu)

194 Farcebook was pushing a bunch of "movie review" groups all claim The Marvels was great! And...each review had one of 3 canned message so you know it wasn't bots...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2023 06:12 PM (XqcwY)

195 It's no The English Patient.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 06:05 PM (GBKbO)

...

I know that I saw that movie but all I remember was that it's long, and that Ralph Fiennes took flying lessons from Harrison Ford.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 13, 2023 06:13 PM (z/ifB)

196 Couple that with the worst relationship ever: "Love means never to have to say you're sorry" and you've got a stinker.

Pee Yew!!
Posted by: Tonypete at November 13, 2023 06:09 PM (dhhKu)

First saw that movie with a girl friend and she laughed out loud at that line.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 13, 2023 06:13 PM (BdMk6)

197 And likewise, when Hollywood feminists want to diminish male characters, they make them passive and emotional. In other words, they make them feminine.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 13, 2023 06:13 PM (9yUzE)

198 Almost twenty years ago I talked my wife into seeing Master and Commander. To this day, she still reminds me how much she hated it.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 13, 2023 06:13 PM (CwhoI)

199 I know nothing about Rebel Moon, but they did a big trailer reveal on Sunday Night Football last night. All it showed was a 90-pound girl beating a bunch of 250 lb male body builders half to death.
---
Yeah. Looks sus.
I'll be willing to overlook that stupidity if the story is good.
I'll pretend it's sci-fi nanobot enhancement something something gobbledygook that's responsible.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 13, 2023 06:13 PM (TzW+Y)

200 Lithgow dripped estrogen....

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2023 06:09 PM

Well, he is a Harvard "man".***

*** Just like David Hogg!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 13, 2023 06:13 PM (HlyYF)

201 I noticed that interesting movies are growing rarer and rarer...which is odd considering more movies are being made and more money is being spent on making them

Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2023 06:13 PM (XqcwY)

202 Only girl power movie I have liked is Peppermint. I don't know why . I should have hated it.
Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:12 PM (MNhXM)

Pippi Longstocking was fun, I think.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 13, 2023 06:14 PM (z/ifB)

203 Self-effacing comment. This entire thread is Greek to me. I'm completely out of touch with the world of entertainment.

Mike, the world of entertainment is out of touch with us. You're in fine company.

Posted by: DanMan at November 13, 2023 06:14 PM (8uzBS)

204
My wife watches Hallmark Christmas movies ... in August.

Yup. The male 'Christmas Season' begins on a frantic Christmas Eve while the female of the species can enjoy it for half the year.

Broad brush, but just a little.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 06:15 PM (enJYY)

205 Try "The Brain that Wouldn't Die". Doctor has a serum for transplants he experiments with. Has a car accident and his fiance's head gets severed. He keeps her alive, and then the rest of the movie is him trying to find a matching body to attach her head to. The head gains psychic powers and uses them to stop his body snatching plans.

Its the kind of movie that puts your forgetting the milk the other day in perspective.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:12 PM (eoQWY)

The MST3K version is hilarious.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 06:15 PM (xcxpd)

206 Almost twenty years ago I talked my wife into seeing Master and Commander. To this day, she still reminds me how much she hated it.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 13, 2023 06:13 PM (CwhoI)

You should have taken her to see The Mask of Zorro. She gets Antonio Banderas. You get Kathryn Zeta Jones in her prime.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 06:15 PM (guGkK)

207 Jane Austen novels have been filmed many times, including the horrible variation with the zombies. Great stories but limited to a few. I've often wondered why no one has tried to film Georgette Heyer novels. She turned out one a year for years. Of course the ultimate horror would be someone absolutely ruining The Grand Sophie for example.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 13, 2023 06:11 PM (2NHgQ)

Jane knew how to spice up the action. Having older sister jilted by the nice suitor for no reason? Having main character's admirer run off without even getting married to live in sin in London? That's wild stuff.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:15 PM (eoQWY)

208 Is this gonna get Kathleen Kennedy fired??
Posted by: runner

Maybe into the sun, huh?

Looking at credits from older movies (especially by Spielborg, as she was his protege), she shows up frequently.
She was a Producer on "Seabiscuit"

And on, and on. She is probably pretty capable, but somebody you really have to keep an eye on, because she has a lot of lame "original" ideas.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at November 13, 2023 06:16 PM (vcOmj)

209 First saw that movie with a girl friend and she laughed out loud at that line.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 13, 2023 06:13 PM

Sounds like she was "wife" material!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 13, 2023 06:16 PM (HlyYF)

210 My favorite chick flick

A Walk In The Clouds.

Is there nothing Keanu can't do ?

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:16 PM (MNhXM)

211 can somebody tell me what carrier has Matt Helm movies? Can't find them on Netflix or Amazon.
Posted by: DanMan at November 13, 2023 05:29 PM (8uzBS)

Tubi has two for free with commercials, pay for the other two. Looked them up on Roku tv.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 13, 2023 06:17 PM (Angsy)

212
Its the kind of movie that puts your forgetting the milk the other day in perspective.
Posted by: Oldcat
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Dammit!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, just home from the grocery store. at November 13, 2023 06:17 PM (XeU6L)

213 Pippi Longstocking was fun, I think.

Mary Poppins was pretty badass, the only flaw in the film being the glaring absence of realistic gun play.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 06:17 PM (guGkK)

214 >>>Is this gonna get Kathleen Kennedy fired??

Nah, her and Iger will be the last ones in the bunker.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 13, 2023 06:17 PM (CwhoI)

215 'The 100' was woke AF for its time (The mid 2010s, so, no trannies, which would make it dated for modern audiences). The idea that post-apocalyptic societies would elevate teenage girlbosses with teh ghey as their leaders was ertarded. And the show's science was laughable. BUT... the writers knew how to tell a compelling story.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 13, 2023 06:17 PM (9yUzE)

216 Nah, her and Iger will be the last ones in the bunker.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 13, 2023 06:17 PM (CwhoI)

I hope Peltz and Perlmutter have hand grenades.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 13, 2023 06:18 PM (guGkK)

217 >>They like to imagine themselves as smooth operators and having people skills

I feel that even Ace is dancing around the unspeakable truth.

Look at the princesses (I pick one, but you could do this for just about everyone I had to memorize and act out with my daughter.)

- Cinderella - is made pretty, gets attention from high status male, lives in palace.

Men want to be heroes and attract the pretty women.
Women want to be pretty and picked by the high status male.

There are a million ways for men to be heroes (powerful, rich, burning buildings, terrorists at christmas party, etc.)
There are a lot fewer ways for women to be pretty and get picked.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 13, 2023 06:18 PM (fKr7F)

218 Girl 'power' movie done right?

Red Sparrow

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:19 PM (MNhXM)

219 Looking at credits from older movies (especially by Spielborg, as she was his protege), she shows up frequently.

She was a Producer on "Seabiscuit"

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at November 13, 2023 06:16 PM

Are you sure?

I thought Kathleen Kennedy got a credit on that film for being the "stand in" for Seabiscuit.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 13, 2023 06:19 PM (HlyYF)

220 Adults, that's an audience they been avoiding.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 13, 2023 06:19 PM (Wj/z9)

221 Master & Commander is one of my top 10 favorites

Napoleon comes out Nov22, but at earliest won't see it until the weekend after

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 06:19 PM (fwDg9)

222 There are a lot fewer ways for women to be pretty and get picked.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 13, 2023 06:18 PM (fKr7F

Call me. I have ideas!

Posted by: Rachel Zegler at November 13, 2023 06:19 PM (guGkK)

223 Almost twenty years ago I talked my wife into seeing Master and Commander. To this day, she still reminds me how much she hated it.
Posted by: Citizen Cake

Yeah, that's a really great movie. Really.

Probably my favorite Russel Crowe movie.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at November 13, 2023 06:20 PM (vcOmj)

224 I thought Kathleen Kennedy got a credit on that film for being the "stand in" for Seabiscuit.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 13, 2023 06:19 PM (HlyYF)

she was the fluffer.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 13, 2023 06:20 PM (z/ifB)

225 Girl 'power' movie done right?

Dredd. The 2012 version, not the Stallone one from the 90s.

Posted by: davidt at November 13, 2023 06:20 PM (SYTee)

226 I liked "Used Cars". Well, most of it. (Quickly leaves the room).

Posted by: JM in /Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (5zjm+)

227 Oh and...they picked the kid actress because....she cosplayed as the character?

WTF.

One of the things that made The Shazam movie good was that the kid they hired for that could actually act.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (XqcwY)

228 Master & Commander is one of my top 10 favorites

Napoleon comes out Nov22, but at earliest won't see it until the weekend after
Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 06:19 PM (fwDg9)

Hopefully the ratio of battles to Josephine is a bit different in the final product than the trailer.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (eoQWY)

229 Aliens and Terminator 2 showed you can have universally popular movies with strong female characters. Today's writers are untalented hacks who are empowered to recycle their freshman creative writing assignments.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (CwhoI)

230 Girl 'power' movie done right?

Red Sparrow
Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:19 PM (MNhXM)

...

the Professional.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (z/ifB)

231
Women want to be pretty and picked by the high status male.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 13, 2023 06:18 PM

Trump put it in fewer words and included the word 'p_ssy'.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (enJYY)

232 Dredd. The 2012 version, not the Stallone one from the 90s.

That was a good movie. And Karl Urban was awesome.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (XqcwY)

233 The MST3K version is hilarious.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at November 13, 2023 06:15 PM (xcxpd)

One of my favorites.

Jan in the Pan.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Doggie Medic at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (T/Lqj)

234 "The James Madison says that the rumors on Reddit is that the movie was blatantly political and anti-Trump, and Disney is basically refilming it without the politics."

I don't believe it. Oh, the refilming, sure. It's not a Disney without massive reshooting. But the anti-Trump/MAGA content? It'll be there in some fashion. They can't not have it. Their movies are not for pure capitalism; they are for propaganda. Like making an omelette without eggs.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (aXxgO)

235 Probably my favorite Russel Crowe movie.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at November 13, 2023 06:20 PM (vcOmj)

Indeed.

Posted by: JM in /Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (5zjm+)

236 Godzilla Minus One will flatten The Marvels, assuming the Disney movie is still playing in two weeks.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2023 06:22 PM (OKzJV)

237 Girl 'power' movie done right?

Red Sparrow

I like Red Sparrow, but if it's awfully rapey. If that's girl power, the girls are not especially powerful.

Posted by: It's not even rapey tuesday yet at November 13, 2023 06:22 PM (CjGGv)

238 I introduced my grandson to Master and Commander, he loved it instantly. Perhaps the Best Age of Sail movie ever.

Posted by: Web Advertisers at November 13, 2023 06:22 PM (i9ffA)

239 Girl 'power' movie done right?

Dredd. The 2012 version, not the Stallone one from the 90s.
Posted by: davidt at November 13, 2023 06:20 PM (SYTee

Damn Dredd is almost 14 years old. Seems like yesterday.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:22 PM (MNhXM)

240 "The James Madison says that the rumors on Reddit is that the movie was blatantly political and anti-Trump, and Disney is basically refilming it without the politics."

I vaguely recall they made Captain America anti-Trump during his presidency.

Because, obviously, Captain America wouldn't want to enforce the law or protect America...right?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2023 06:22 PM (XqcwY)

241 Watched a few YouTube reviews of the trailers and released stills, looks like a fair amount of Battle scenes

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 06:23 PM (fwDg9)

242 Call me. I have ideas!

Posted by: Rachel Zegler at November 13, 2023 06:19 PM

Zegler may go 3-for-3 on flops for her first series of big budget movies.

Isn't that an even higher batting average than Kathleen Kennedy? Impressive work to knock off the GOAT!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 13, 2023 06:23 PM (HlyYF)

243 Pitch Meeting Guy is what Hollywood content should be: entertaining and equipolitical. Not apolitical, Ryan will ding a movie's politics, but he does it in an equal way. He will hit a movie from the left, and he will hit a movie from the right.

This makes him much more incisive and bitingly funny than Honest Trailers, which has gotten progressively more progressive over the years. Ryan is, without a doubt, the best Canadian import since maple syrup.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at November 13, 2023 06:23 PM (0jlfQ)

244 Isn't Due Hard basically a Hallmark Christmas movie with guns and terrorists?

Posted by: HowardDevore at November 13, 2023 06:23 PM (H/Jxx)

245 I have to slightly disagree. More women went to see Rambo that this thing. I am sure some went because hubby/boyfriend got to choose that day but if men want to see their fantasy of 'taking care of business' I would counter with a lot of women also have the fantasy of a man 'taking care of business'. Nothing sexier than a guy that would kill to protect you. And those men are getting increasingly hard to find.

Posted by: Lisa at November 13, 2023 06:23 PM (oakz+)

246 Dredd. The 2012 version, not the Stallone one from the 90s.

That was a good movie. And Karl Urban was awesome.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 13, 2023 06:21 PM (XqcwY)

Karl Urban is woefully underutilized. He disappears into his role, unlike so many others.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Doggie Medic at November 13, 2023 06:23 PM (T/Lqj)

247 NOOD Quickies

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 13, 2023 06:23 PM (qPw5n)

248 Night of the Comet has better female leads.

"Daddy would have gotten us Uzis!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2023 06:23 PM (OKzJV)

249 Trump put it in fewer words and included the word 'p_ssy'.

Posted by: Divide by Zero a

Exactly.
This is what women fantasize about -- getting picked by the high status male.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 13, 2023 06:24 PM (fKr7F)

250 Girl 'power' movie done right?

Red Sparrow

I like Red Sparrow, but if it's awfully rapey. If that's girl power, the girls are not especially powerful.
Posted by: It's not even rapey tuesday yet at November 13, 2023 06:22 PM (CjGGv)

well what was that 'girl power' movie with the billionaire who whipped on her? That seemed to do ok.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:24 PM (eoQWY)

251 Best Age of Sail movie ever.
Posted by: Web Advertisers at November 13, 2023 06:22 PM

Maybe try the books on him

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2023 06:24 PM (fwDg9)

252 I like Red Sparrow, but if it's awfully rapey. If that's girl power, the girls are not especially powerful.
Posted by: It's not even rapey tuesday yet at November 13, 2023 06:22 PM (CjGGv)

One rape scene iirc.

Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 06:24 PM (MNhXM)

253 The aftermath: Captain America 4, starring Not Captain America but his black friend cospaying as Captain America, has been delayed for a year, supposedly for reshoots.

It really was "On your left!"

Posted by: Question authority bumper sticker at November 13, 2023 06:24 PM (Rbu5d)

254 More women went to see Rambo that this thing.

...

I'm wondering if the percentage is higher.

If it's just raw numbers, more people went to Rambo period, so its not saying anything to say more women went.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 13, 2023 06:24 PM (z/ifB)

255 Karl Urban is woefully underutilized. He disappears into his role, unlike so many others.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Doggie Medic at November 13, 2023 06:23 PM (T/Lqj)

Do not yield to hope, it has abandoned these lands.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:25 PM (eoQWY)

256 Nood. Quick Hits.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 13, 2023 06:25 PM (aQy7p)

257 18 The trailers look awful so I can just imagine how bad the movie is.
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Posted by: Drive by at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (MNhXM)

^^^^
I watched one part of one trailer shown on utube.
Awful, awful dreck.

Posted by: Question authority bumper sticker at November 13, 2023 06:26 PM (Rbu5d)

258 More women went to see Rambo that this thing.

...

I'm wondering if the percentage is higher.

If it's just raw numbers, more people went to Rambo period, so its not saying anything to say more women went.
Posted by: TexasDan at November 13, 2023 06:24 PM (z/ifB)

possibly not, but these idiots are supposed to be making money not increasing the percentage of movie viewers.. And an old style romance would likely get even higher percentages yet.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2023 06:27 PM (eoQWY)

259 >>> 'The 100' was woke AF for its time (The mid 2010s, so, no trannies, which would make it dated for modern audiences). The idea that post-apocalyptic societies would elevate teenage girlbosses with teh ghey as their leaders was ertarded. And the show's science was laughable. BUT... the writers knew how to tell a compelling story.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo

I actually watched that thing like three times. Winch through the ghey shiite, but found it very entertaining otherwise. And they almost make a good excuse for why some of the girlbosses are accepted - tradition. But also show that they can get their asses kicked when not accepted.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 13, 2023 06:29 PM (cOq4q)

260 33 Jacob Chansley, the ‘QAnon Shaman,’ Files Papers to Run for Congress in Arizona
He wants to run for the Libertarian Party.
Posted by: SMOD at November 13, 2023 05:28 PM (RHGPo)

He'll be able to wear that headdress, what with the new rules!

Posted by: Question authority bumper sticker at November 13, 2023 06:30 PM (Rbu5d)

261 A couple nights ago my wife groaned when she found I had put on "Trog", a late career Joan Crawford movie that wallows in every stereotype of how awful Joan Crawfod movies got at the end of her career. It is just hilariously bad, kind of an idiotic looking cave man meets Joan Crawford meets Hammer Films kind of thing.

Posted by: Web Advertisers at November 13, 2023 06:32 PM (i9ffA)

262 Off web sock!

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2023 06:32 PM (i9ffA)

263 Thanks Orange...

Posted by: DanMan at November 13, 2023 06:37 PM (8uzBS)

264 19 Oh, I'm sad...

Moorehead and Benson, the pair behind the microbudgeted movies like Endless, sold out to Disney and directed the final few episodes of Loki Season 2.

The only reason I found out is because they are directing the new Daredevil series and said that they're on "Day 0". You know, the series that was 8 episodes in the can before the whole thing got pulled?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, going up some wonky stairs with Paul Leni at November 13, 2023 05:24 PM (GBKbO)

Loki season 2 was pretty solid, so maybe this (and day 0) means Daredevil won't suck.

Posted by: Vrag Naroda at November 13, 2023 06:38 PM (xO1xT)

265 238 I introduced my grandson to Master and Commander, he loved it instantly. Perhaps the Best Age of Sail movie ever.
Posted by: Web Advertisers at November 13, 2023 06:22 PM (i9ffA)

The fist time I saw Master and Commander, I thought "eh, it was okay." Each successive screening, however, it has grown in my estimation until it has reached a point where it is in my top 5 movies of all time. And it has created an obsession for reading about the Age of Sail and Lord Nelson.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at November 13, 2023 06:39 PM (PJljL)

266 Aye on Master and Commander. Not up there with The Outlaw Josey Wales, but close.

Posted by: Eromero at November 13, 2023 06:51 PM (NxC5+)

267 Ace, I can tell you a specific female version of the pen-stabbers. At that time my son was working a security job to put himself through graduate school. I dreamt that he was on a plane when hijackers attacked, and the stewardess said to the pilot, "Don't worry, there's a trained security man on the plane, we'll be fine."

I actually called him the next day and said Please use your passport when you buy your ticket home for Christmas instead of your Security ID and do not ask me why.

Posted by: Wenda at November 13, 2023 07:03 PM (Tji/p)

268 45... youtube

Posted by: Richard Sean McEnroe at November 13, 2023 09:22 PM (8fxF+)

269 She-Hulk, what you don't know. The John Byrne version often, practically always broke the fourth wall. If you break the fourth wall as She-Hulk, you are following tradition.
https://tinyurl.com/5n6c58bh

Before you criticize something, make sure you actually know the subject.

Posted by: Nightfall at November 14, 2023 12:19 AM (xd3qE)

270 >Why would anyone go to see that? Who is the audience for a movie that fundamentally hates the genre it's in?

Superhero deconstruction - The Boys, The Umbrella Academy, Kick-Ass, The Authority, The Watchmen - has been in vogue for decades. The deconstruction has effectively become the norm, to the extent that Joe Kelly had to write "What So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way?" in Action Comics #775 to remind people _why_ superheroes aren't supposed to be violent amoral psychopaths.

I hate to break it to you, but the core audience for superhero media actually does hate the entire genre. The problem with The Marvels isn't that it hates the genre, it's that it hates the _audience_.

Posted by: Daniel Ream at November 14, 2023 08:59 PM (/0tPK)

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