Matt Gaetz: McCarthy Outed Himself as the Ringleader Knifing All Other Speaker Nominees in the Back; The Exposure of This Betrayal Led to the Election of Johnson

From Deb Heine of American Greatness: Matt Gaetz claims that McCarthy was ringleading the liberals to tank every single person nominated as speaker, to force the caucus to ultimately conclude that they must renominate him for Speaker.

He said he moved to have poll on whether or not Johnson would be acceptable to the caucus, expecting that he would be. Someone object, saying it was against the rules to do this. Someone moved to suspend the rules for just one poll.

The one man who objected to this minor suspension of rules? Kevin McCarthy, he say.

He says he then went to Scalise, Jordan, and Emmer and told them that McCarthy had just outed himself as the person causing every nominee to fail. This led to these men then supporting Johnson.

He also says that McCarthy attempted a scheme to get his allies to secretly write-in "McCarthy" for speaker, but that somehow Patrick McHenry, acting Speaker, scuttled that through a parliamentary maneuver. And then Johnson demanded an on-the-record voice vote, to stop the people who intended to secretly write in "McCarthy" from doing so. The cowards, forced to vote on the record, voted for Johnson, mostly.

Or so he says. Obviously, I wasn't in the room.

I have to prepare everyone for bad news, though.

I was surprised that McCarthy said he'd remain a Representative. 1, these egotistical c*nts usually do not stick around to be minor player once they've had a leadership role and have been booted from that position, and 2, moderate/liberal GOPers have a long and vile history of deliberately working against the GOP if conservatives dare to best them in a contest.

Yet McCarthy said he had no plans to retire. What gives?

Well, now we understand: He couldn't say he was retiring, because he was scheming to re-gain the Speakership. Obviously no one would vote for him if he petulantly said "I'm quitting."

But now he will quit, because his scheming is over.* And that will leave Republicans with an even thinner margin in the House. And remember, that gay hustler from Brazil is about to be booted out.

The Democrat governors of those states will schedule the special race to replace them as far into the future as the law will permit. Maybe they can delay it until the regular 2024 elections. I dunno.

So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now.

* CNN and MSNBC and Disney-owned ABC might even decide to interfere in US politics by offering him a job as an "analyst," thereby inducing him to leave the House.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 02:39 PM

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1 SaiSHo~

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 25, 2023 02:41 PM (IG4Id)

2 Wow. More drama than a HS girls bathroom.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 25, 2023 02:42 PM (5xURv)

3 McCarthy was and is a piece of shit insider.

Johnson maybe no better, but at least McCarthy got a bloody nose.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 02:42 PM (GBKbO)

4 Yay

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 25, 2023 02:42 PM (EGSGm)

5 Johnson maybe no better, but at least McCarthy got a bloody nose.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

The GOPe needs to be reminded. Twice sometimes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 25, 2023 02:43 PM (IG4Id)

6 Jim Traficant: "BRING BACK THE WIG PARTY!!!"

Posted by: Orson at October 25, 2023 02:44 PM (dIske)

7 >>So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now.
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That is, I assume, a mere statement of fact and not a complaint about how the speakership shook out. McCarthy had to go, as this post demonstrates. Better to shed the RINOs at first, then hopefully replace them over time with solid conservatives. At least in theory, and if we have enough time.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at October 25, 2023 02:44 PM (bNf8H)

8 I'm sure McCarthy, being the patriot he is, will remain on the job so as not to reduce the House's margin of power.

Why are you laughing at me?

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Longing for Zooey Deschanel's Bosom at October 25, 2023 02:44 PM (VTu1l)

9 So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now.

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Impossible.

All the GOP representatives belong to the GOP. Doesn't get any worse than that.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 25, 2023 02:45 PM (0FoWg)

10 From Deb Heine of American Greatness: Matt Gaetz claims that McCarthy was ringleading the liberals to tank every single person nominated as speaker, to force the caucus to ultimately conclude that they must renominate him for Speaker.

I'm not surprised at all; I always assumed this was his game.

If he now quits, so be it. He's a snake in the grass masquerading as a fool. We are still better off with a narrower margin and an object lesson in the consequences of betrayal.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 02:45 PM (I/Qkd)

11 Looks like I'm not getting any tonight.

Posted by: Frank Luntz at October 25, 2023 02:45 PM (KRtlO)

12 Heh

@TheBabylonBee
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 25, 2023 02:45 PM (IG4Id)

13 When a man becomes preeminent, he is expected to have enthusiasms ... enthusiasms ..

Posted by: Mike "Big" Johnson at October 25, 2023 02:45 PM (aD39U)

14 eh, i'm willing to give johnson the opportunity to let me down.

as for mccarthy, i'm willing to believe that he for sure sucked ass to tank every conservative just because.

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 25, 2023 02:46 PM (nXhwP)

15
The GOPe needs to be reminded. Twice sometimes.

You misspelled "flayed".

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 02:46 PM (I/Qkd)

16 So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now.

This is going to be a tragedy. Because now inatead of getting nothing from the Republican House, I am going to getting nothinger. Maybe even nothingest.

Posted by: How could Yahweh allow me to be carried off to Babylon like this?!? at October 25, 2023 02:46 PM (6z4VY)

17 That is not bad news. That is addition by subtraction.

But will Luntz let him out of his lease? I bet the buyout clause involves some real kinky shit.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 25, 2023 02:46 PM (5C4od)

18 I see the way these people act, and I think: of course, they are human and humans are scum.

But then I see the way they *think* foreign countries will act. They trust China not to become a dominant totalitarian empire. They trust Russia not to land grab neighbors. They trust islam does not want genocide of Jews. They trust handing out trillions for no damn reason thinking only honest people will get covid "relief.".....

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (91TBR)

19 If this is just what Gaetz is saying, I don't know if I'd necessarily take it at face value.

But it seems clear that those of us (and I include myself) who were prepared to give McCarthy the benefit of the doubt were wrong. He was always planning to betray the base eventually.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (bhRsz)

20 Wow. More drama than a HS girls bathroom.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Like, oh - my - God, did you hear what Kevin was doing? Luntz is gonna be SOOOOOO jealous when he finds out.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (3eFuR)

21 5 The GOPe needs to be reminded. Twice sometimes.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 25, 2023 02:43 PM (IG4Id)

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They need to be reminded continually until they are out of power.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (GBKbO)

22 Not to worry, all is well now that we have a Speaker of the House again!

Posted by: An idiot at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (IX0Yg)

23 5 Johnson maybe no better, but at least McCarthy got a bloody nose.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

The GOPe needs to be reminded. Twice sometimes.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 25, 2023 02:43 PM

They say you can't be hanged twice...but I'm willing to give it the old college try.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (JCZqz)

24 To add to the doom, don't forget the Supreme Court aiding the Democrats in AL to flip a seat to the D as well.

If CA and NY scheme to keep those seats vacant, AL should follow suit.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (TzW+Y)

25 I mean. This all presumes that you believe Ray Epps. .. I mean Matt Gaetz.

Posted by: greg at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (KtqAF)

26 as for mccarthy, i'm willing to believe that he for sure sucked ass to tank every conservative just because.

What it tells you is that McCarthy put his own political future above the wishes of the voters and the good of the country. F*** him.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (I/Qkd)

27 McCarthy is just doing this Nancy Pelosi imitation. She left SOH and just couldn't walk away from her house grift. Same with McCarthy who I'm sure will continue vro rake in donations

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 25, 2023 02:48 PM (PeRgH)

28 Try not to have a TDS breakdown today, luv.

Posted by: YouGotALoicense at October 25, 2023 02:48 PM (Tbiph)

29 I dunno. Some of the other speaker candidates lost by 20 votes or more. That seems like a pretty wide ranging conspiracy, not one man.

I wonder what Gaetz is going to do when he doesn't have McCarthy to use as his MacGuffin anymore...

Posted by: Marcus T at October 25, 2023 02:48 PM (L9/32)

30 Remember when Kevin was gonna quit congress after losing the seat?

Good times.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 25, 2023 02:48 PM (5xURv)

31 With Johnson being elected unanimously I can only hope Turtle has a fucking stroke and dies on camera so I can watch his cripped body twitch violently.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 25, 2023 02:48 PM (l10hq)

32 So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now.

Absent what just happened - what good things did you think the House GOP was going to accomplish that won't be accomplished now?

I can't think of anything. So, really, we're not in a worse place. But notice was served on the GOPe. Maybe, just maybe, they'll wake up and realize "failure theater" isn't going to cut it anymore.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 25, 2023 02:49 PM (ky+MF)

33 So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now.

No. That's the whig and other's idea that "we lost one". It's all about the totals, right ?

Wrong. Losing McCarthy is addition by subtraction. Even if it ends in a minority. Unless you subscribe to VietNam kinda' shit where it's OK to get fragged, as long as it's not by the NVA.

Posted by: Simple Folks at October 25, 2023 02:49 PM (r/uUB)

34 He says he then went to Scalise, Jordan, and Emmer and told them that McCarthy had just outed himself as the person causing every nominee to fail. This led to these men then supporting Johnson.
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So if true, it blew up in his face.

If this is true, McCarthy has done a piss poor job of trying to run the House the way his buddy McConnell runs the Senate side of things.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 02:49 PM (ELpxa)

35 If this is just what Gaetz is saying, I don't know if I'd necessarily take it at face value.

But it seems clear that those of us (and I include myself) who were prepared to give McCarthy the benefit of the doubt were wrong. He was always planning to betray the base eventually.
Posted by: Dr. T at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (bhRsz)

he started out betraying the base. What he was trying to do with this was betray the party to betray the base.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 02:49 PM (eoQWY)

36 Willowed

LOL

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Posted by: JQ at October 25, 2023 02:49 PM (njWTi)

37 34 So if true, it blew up in his face.

If this is true, McCarthy has done a piss poor job of trying to run the House the way his buddy McConnell runs the Senate side of things.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 02:49 PM (ELpxa)

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If true, McCarthy may have an IQ in the 80s.

I'm leaning towards 83.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (GBKbO)

38 Do not trust in princess ....

Posted by: runner at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (hht4k)

39 But now he will quit, because his scheming is over.* And that will leave Republicans with an even thinner margin in the House. And remember, that gay hustler from Brazil is about to be booted out.

The Democrat governors of those states will schedule the special race to replace them as far into the future as the law will permit. Maybe they can delay it until the regular 2024 elections. I dunno.

So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now.
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If he does quit, he quits. The margins shrink. The margins are razor-thin anyway - in part, thanks to McCarthy himself - and so it is what it is. They're not helping as it is.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (ELpxa)

40 If this is just what Gaetz is saying, I don't know if I'd necessarily take it at face value.

But it seems clear that those of us (and I include myself) who were prepared to give McCarthy the benefit of the doubt were wrong.

At this point, how could anyone take McCarthy's word over that of Gaetz? Yes, Gaetz is a grandstander, but if not for him, we'd now be looking at another huge CR and a SoH willing to torpedo any conservative.

I applaud your willingness to admit you were wrong about McCarthy.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (I/Qkd)

41 >>>Try not to have a TDS breakdown today, luv.

The Trump Obsessive Disorder brigade has entered the chat.

You do know it's blasphemous and kinda gay to deify this guy, right?

Is there anything that doesn't revolve around your obese small-handed object of sexual obsession?

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (KRtlO)

42 Because Gaetz is so credible. All of this blew up in his very punchable face.

Look, I hope we get an improvement here. Was not a fan of Trump's guy McCarthy. But I doubt it. I will always file this under someone simply wishing to raise their profile in politics.

I'm beginning to understand most conservatives want to be in the minority and just do meaningless virtue signal bills like ObamaCare repeals or balanced budget votes that do absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Blago at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (wMRY8)

43 38 Do not trust in princess ....
Posted by: runner at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (hht4k)

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Princess Peach seems pretty trustworthy. Moreso than Princess Daisy, at least.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (GBKbO)

44 If he now quits, so be it. He's a snake in the grass masquerading as a fool. We are still better off with a narrower margin and an object lesson in the consequences of betrayal.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 02:45 PM (I/Qkd)

Does the GOPe wing consider it an object lesson, though? If McCarthy and Santos are in fact soon to depart, as Ace says, I think that wing may well conclude, "Well, now they'll *have* to placate us to keep us from bolting and leaving them without a majority at all!"

Don't mean to dash cold water on you, but I think that's precisely the way they think.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 25, 2023 02:51 PM (bhRsz)

45 Deep State won't allow a MAGA Speaker

Posted by: Skip at October 25, 2023 02:51 PM (fwDg9)

46 Newt is dead. So is John Boehner. Denny Hastert. Ryan. Pelosi. Today I settled all family business so don't tell me that you're innocent McCarthy. Admit what you did.

Posted by: Matt Gaetz, American Hero at October 25, 2023 02:51 PM (R/m4+)

47 anytime we're talking about anything else, the Trump Obsessive Disorder brigade threadjacks to insist we start talking about Trump again, because literally, it's All About Trump. Literally nothing else matters.

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:51 PM (KRtlO)

48 And remember, that gay hustler from Brazil is about to be booted out.
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I can't see why the Repux would go along. I actually enjoy his clownshow.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 25, 2023 02:51 PM (brAQZ)

49 But now he will quit, because his scheming is over.* And that will leave Republicans with an even thinner margin in the House. And remember, that gay hustler from Brazil is about to be booted out.

Even if this is the case, the Great Unmasking must continue. Voters must have the perfidy of their members of Congress rubbed in their faces.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 25, 2023 02:51 PM (GYIa4)

50 McCarty is California man so he will be replaced by a Democrat

Posted by: Gonzotx at October 25, 2023 02:51 PM (MwHgU)

51 Oh, I guess we're not done with the piss-dancing. Jeeze.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (IG4Id)

52 But McCarthy's hold on the Chair was with secret support of the Democrats.

Meaning they had a secret veto over all legislation.

Meaning, they had more power with the larger-by-one-seat McCarthy-margin.

Now they have less even if McCarthy goes.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (TzW+Y)

53 Ace

Can't find the "pendulous balls" quotation-- not from Shakespeare or anyone else. I've run several variations of the "balls" quote, too, to make sure I'm not one letter off or something.

Pls advise where you found it.

Posted by: mnw at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (NLIak)

54 I dunno. Some of the other speaker candidates lost by 20 votes or more. That seems like a pretty wide ranging conspiracy, not one man.

McCarthy was the leader of the RINO faction.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (I/Qkd)

55 You guys might think Gaetz is a dick, but as a wise man once said:

"You need dicks, because dicks don't just fuck pussies, they also fuck assholes. Dicks keep the assholes from shitting all over everyone".

Honestly, this should be Trump's campaign slogan, as it represents the pinnacle of 21st Century political thought.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (5C4od)

56 I dunno. Some of the other speaker candidates lost by 20 votes or more. That seems like a pretty wide ranging conspiracy, not one man.

I wonder what Gaetz is going to do when he doesn't have McCarthy to use as his MacGuffin anymore...
Posted by: Marcus T at October 25, 2023 02:48 PM (L9/32)

Gaetz having the 8 votes needed to overturn McC means that he almost certainly had even more in his pocket ready to pull out in case the Dems did something to help McC short of vote 200 times for him. The number that thought McC needed to go was much higher than the 8 for sure.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (eoQWY)

57 Even if this is the case, the Great Unmasking must continue. Voters must have the perfidy of their members of Congress rubbed in their faces.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 25, 2023 02:51 PM (GYIa4)
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And the bad ones quitting isn't a bad thing. They're not exactly down with the program anyway.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (ELpxa)

58 53 Ace

Can't find the "pendulous balls" quotation-- not from Shakespeare or anyone else. I've run several variations of the "balls" quote, too, to make sure I'm not one letter off or something.

Pls advise where you found it.
Posted by: mnw at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (NLIak)

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He made it up. Damn him for it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (GBKbO)

59 "So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now."

Wasn't this inevitable given that Gaetz teamed up with all the Democraps to pull this stunt? I never saw how this was gonna benefit the GOP or conservatives, despite my loathing of McCarthy.

Johnson might well be more reliable and a better Congressman and conservative than McCarthy. But overall the GOP has been weakened by this, and the Democraps strengthened.

Lots of cheering on here for punching McCarthy in the nuts. I join in that. But I don't see how Johnson will be any better or more effective than McCarthy. Johnson still has a very slim majority and half of the GOP is spineless RINO shitheads.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (iFTx/)

60 If they don’t get appropriations, don’t impeach Mayorkas, Wray, and Garland, don’t close the boarder, don’t defund Ukraine, etc. I really don’t give a fuck. Why even bother?

Posted by: greg at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (KtqAF)

61 57 And the bad ones quitting isn't a bad thing. They're not exactly down with the program anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (ELpxa)

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You can trace a lot of this back to Paul Ryan convincing as many RINOs to quit the House in 2018.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (GBKbO)

62 I love when a plan comes together...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (TGPs7)

63 I'm certainly willing to give Johnson a chance.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (sX1BW)

64 63 I'm certainly willing to give Johnson a chance.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (sX1BW)

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That's what she said.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (GBKbO)

65 >>Even if this is the case, the Great Unmasking must continue.

yeah but we can't keep saying "Yay we won by losing yet again!" forever, can we?

i'm not saying we shouldn't have objected mccarthy. I'm just pointing out that McCarthy will almost certainly resign, unless he is firmly told that he will never be allowed to make a cent lobbying unless he stays through 2024.

And I don't think anyone in the GOP has that power. He can just join the various "bipartisan" (Democrat) groups.

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (KRtlO)

66 McCarty is California man so he will be replaced by a Democrat
Posted by: Gonzotx at October 25, 2023 02:51 PM (MwHgU)
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Which he knows. If he quits, it means he'd rather give the seat to a Democrat than be forced to even pretend to play ball with a conservative. He can show the world what he really is, or he can suck it up and pretend otherwise.

Ball's in his court.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (ELpxa)

67 Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
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Qatar cashing in on those new gas flows to Europe after all the Russian lines got cancelled or mysteriously went offline

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 25, 2023 02:54 PM (TGPs7)

68 McCarty is California man so he will be replaced by a Democrat
Posted by: Gonzotx at October 25, 2023 02:51 PM (MwHgU)

Vacancies in the House only are filled by special election. Not by appointment.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 02:54 PM (eoQWY)

69 >>>You guys might think Gaetz is a dick, but as a wise man once said:

"You need dicks, because dicks don't just fuck pussies, they also fuck assholes. Dicks keep the assholes from shitting all over everyone".

*sniff* That's beautiful, man.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 25, 2023 02:54 PM (bhRsz)

70 Does the GOPe wing consider it an object lesson, though? If McCarthy and Santos are in fact soon to depart, as Ace says, I think that wing may well conclude, "Well, now they'll *have* to placate us to keep us from bolting and leaving them without a majority at all!"

I think it's just the opposite. The conservative wing has now shown they're willing to gamble losing the majority in order to prevent the GOPe from continuing with the usual games.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 02:54 PM (I/Qkd)

71 Lots of cheering on here for punching McCarthy in the nuts. I join in that. But I don't see how Johnson will be any better or more effective than McCarthy. Johnson still has a very slim majority and half of the GOP is spineless RINO shitheads.
Posted by: Elric Blade

Take the fucking L, bro.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 25, 2023 02:54 PM (IG4Id)

72 OT

JJ needs to start a WW3 category to his morning links.

I nominate the China/Russia attack on Finish pipeline as first item

Second item would be the US report on Chinese military build up.That too, is a big story. It is clear that China is preparing for an offensive war on US.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 25, 2023 02:54 PM (91TBR)

73 >>>McCarty is California man so he will be replaced by a Democrat

well it has to go through an election, and this district voted for this simp, so a GOPer (weak, moderate) would presumably have a chance.

but that doesn't help us until after whenever the election is, which can be a ways off.

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:54 PM (KRtlO)

74 But then I see the way they *think* foreign countries will act. They trust China not to become a dominant totalitarian empire. They trust Russia not to land grab neighbors. They trust islam does not want genocide of Jews. They trust handing out trillions for no damn reason thinking only honest people will get covid "relief.".....
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (91TBR)

They don't think that way. They don't trust other countries. Like Biden, they're on the take and they don't give a damn.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 25, 2023 02:55 PM (GYIa4)

75 I'm certainly willing to give Johnson a chance.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (sX1BW)

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That's what she said.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (GBKbO)

That's not what Lori Lightfoot said.

Posted by: spindrift at October 25, 2023 02:55 PM (AUkrG)

76 thereby inducing him to leave the House

= =

Well that's good. People spend too much time inside.

Posted by: Some stupid guy what don't know english good at October 25, 2023 02:55 PM (AD14M)

77 Where all the morons that said Gaetz was an asshole for getting rid of McCarthy, had no plan B, and not saying shit like little bitches?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 25, 2023 02:55 PM (17s+e)

78 yeah but we can't keep saying "Yay we won by losing yet again!" forever, can we?

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That seems to be the plan.

And when we lose and the Democrats get control of everything, they say "Boy, this showed Mitch McConnell, didn't it?

Posted by: Blago at October 25, 2023 02:55 PM (wMRY8)

79 So many clown cars, so little time.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (V8he0)

80 31 With Johnson being elected unanimously I can only hope Turtle has a fucking stroke and dies on camera so I can watch his cripped body twitch violently.
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You have a poets heart.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (PGK1w)

81 ... Lots of cheering on here for punching McCarthy in the nuts. I join in that. But I don't see how Johnson will be any better or more effective than McCarthy. Johnson still has a very slim majority and half of the GOP is spineless RINO shitheads.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (iFTx/)
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I cheered it and still do. If Johnson doesn't return to regular order, I'll cheer for punching him in the nuts, too.

We're at an inflection point and it's time for the GOP to finally get around to taking a shit, or it needs to get off the pot. If they want to detonate the party over it and deliver it to the richly-deserved fate of the Whigs, then it can do so. But business as usual is no longer acceptable and if the risk is destroying the party, then so be it. Sustaining the party as it is does not represent a winning strategy, either.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (ELpxa)

82 Any Republican, ANY, from the state of California should be considered an enemy saboteur. Not one of those bastards is even remotely interested in reigning in spending, which tells me they're all "play to the rubes to get elected". Why didn't McCarthy kick Pelosi out of her digs on day one? Same team.

I'm willing to give the new guy a chance. At least he said the right things when it mattered. IF, and this is a big if, IF what Gaetz says is true, then McCarthy can fuck off. Dont care about the margins because at least 1/3 of the Rs are really democrats anyway. Gridlock is what I want. Shut DC down til after next year's election is what I say.

Posted by: Mr. Fabulist at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (7VCus)

83 But I don't see how Johnson will be any better or more effective than McCarthy. Johnson still has a very slim majority and half of the GOP is spineless RINO shitheads.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (iFTx/)

Johnson won't be - at least during this session. But, we are hoping a bigger point was made. The GOPe still wants to go back to the pre-Trump era (and I'm just using this as a demarcation line, not trying to make this about Trump) where the GOPe played failure theater and helped the left advance its agenda. this was a shot across the GOPe's bow. It's part of a larger war for what the GOP is. Is the GOP a conservative party pursuing conservative goals? Or, is it what it has in reality been for the last 50 years - a party for international corporations helping the left advance its agenda while pretending to be a somewhat conservative party?

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (ky+MF)

84 Don't forget his name is about to be release from Epstein Island... so retirement might have been mandatory anyway.

(don't know that but it would tie a bow on this mess)

Posted by: Inogame at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (D/9Qo)

85 71 Lots of cheering on here for punching McCarthy in the nuts. I join in that. But I don't see how Johnson will be any better or more effective than McCarthy. Johnson still has a very slim majority and half of the GOP is spineless RINO shitheads.
Posted by: Elric Blade

Take the fucking L, bro.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 25, 2023 02:54 PM (IG4Id)
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It was an L, that's my point . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (iFTx/)

86 >>>
Pls advise where you found it.
Posted by: mnw

I think it was in Stuff Shakespeare Said, Volume 3. The gilt-edged edition with the forward by Patty Hearst.

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (KRtlO)

87 >>> but if not for him, we'd now be looking at another huge CR

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (I/Qkd)>>>

lol. You’re about 2-3 weeks away from another CR.

Posted by: greg at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (KtqAF)

88 i'm not saying we shouldn't have objected mccarthy

--
You misspelled defenestrated

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (EGSGm)

89 Lots of cheering on here for punching McCarthy in the nuts. I join in that. But I don't see how Johnson will be any better or more effective than McCarthy.

He won't. But it only took eight votes.

Now, Conservatives, if you REALLY want to take over the GOP ? And I have my doubts you have the sand to do it, but surprise me. That only took eight votes.

Imagine what you can do with another Tea Party wave. Instead of getting there and deciding you need to prove "how to govern".

Posted by: Simple Folks at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (r/uUB)

90 53 Ace

Can't find the "pendulous balls" quotation-- not from Shakespeare or anyone else. I've run several variations of the "balls" quote, too, to make sure I'm not one letter off or something.

Pls advise where you found it.
Posted by: mnw at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (NLIak)

I believe it's from the rare 1899 Doubleday folio edition of Stuff Bill Shakespeare Said.

Posted by: Out of print, hard to find at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (6z4VY)

91 If this is just what Gaetz is saying, I don't know if I'd necessarily take it at face value.
Posted by: Dr. T at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (bhRsz)

And, yet, all of a sudden the obstructions are gone and the glory of the PLAN shines through.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (GYIa4)

92 Ace: McCarthy gonna stay in even after losing power

Well? So did Piglosi

Posted by: jb at October 25, 2023 02:57 PM (yk5Ug)

93 And I would have succeeded, too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!

Posted by: MR Henderson at October 25, 2023 02:57 PM (xhaym)

94 i'm not saying we shouldn't have objected mccarthy. I'm just pointing out that McCarthy will almost certainly resign, unless he is firmly told that he will never be allowed to make a cent lobbying unless he stays through 2024.

And I don't think anyone in the GOP has that power. He can just join the various "bipartisan" (Democrat) groups.
Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (KRtlO)

Like I said up top: You've only taught someone a lesson if they believe they've been taught a lesson. And I see no evidence that the GOPe believes that. I think their entire attitude towards us is, "You don't teach us lessons, we teach you lessons."

Posted by: Dr. T at October 25, 2023 02:57 PM (bhRsz)

95 65 yeah but we can't keep saying "Yay we won by losing yet again!" forever, can we?

i'm not saying we shouldn't have objected mccarthy. I'm just pointing out that McCarthy will almost certainly resign, unless he is firmly told that he will never be allowed to make a cent lobbying unless he stays through 2024.

And I don't think anyone in the GOP has that power. He can just join the various "bipartisan" (Democrat) groups.
Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (KRtlO)

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All House seat retirements are done through special elections. It's in the Constitution.

CA-20 was redistricted recently, of course, and it looks like it was made into a really red district (from wikipedia: 2022 Governor Dahle 69.5 - 30.5% Senator Meuser 67.7 - 32.3%).

If McCarthy retires, he gets replaced by a Republican, 99% likelihood.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 02:57 PM (GBKbO)

96 But overall the GOP has been weakened by this, and the Democraps strengthened... But I don't see how Johnson will be any better or more effective than McCarthy. Johnson still has a very slim majority and half of the GOP is spineless RINO shitheads.

Who have now witnessed the defenstration of their leader. That will help concentrate minds. If necessary, the lesson can be repeated by taking away committee chairs.

McCarty is California man so he will be replaced by a Democrat

I'd rather have a freshman Dem in office than a GOP SoH who's really working for the enemy.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 02:57 PM (I/Qkd)

97 Tee hee!

Posted by: McCarthy, McConnell, McDaniels at October 25, 2023 02:57 PM (/qa9n)

98 Go sit on the backbench, Kevin, and get yoour shinebox. If I ever hear your name again, I'll know you backstabbed us one more time.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at October 25, 2023 02:57 PM (nnp+f)

99 Did Johnson take a blood oath?

Posted by: runner at October 25, 2023 02:57 PM (hht4k)

100 i'm not saying we shouldn't have objected mccarthy. I'm just pointing out that McCarthy will almost certainly resign, unless he is firmly told that he will never be allowed to make a cent lobbying unless he stays through 2024.

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While I would expect him to resign, there is not much we can do about that. If we truly believe that a more conservative government is a better government - a government that people will vote for - and I do believe that - then we should expect reinforcements in the future.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 02:57 PM (sX1BW)

101 Here's to hoping Johnson will rise to the occasion and fulfill Lady Liberty's needs.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 25, 2023 02:58 PM (4I/2K)

102 >>>If McCarthy retires, he gets replaced by a Republican, 99% likelihood.

okay but that could be a ways off. if mccarthy splits now, we're down a body until the special election.

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:58 PM (KRtlO)

103 And remember, that gay hustler from Brazil is about to be booted out.
_____

Who is that?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 25, 2023 02:58 PM (J2vNu)

104 They say you can't be hanged twice...but I'm willing to give it the old college try.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 25, 2023 02:47 PM (JCZqz)

Fun factoid... originally the sentence read "hung by the neck", but someone's rope broke and they argued that they couldn't be hanged twice so it was changed to "hung by the neck until dead".

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 25, 2023 02:58 PM (GYIa4)

105
McCarthy was a Jetboat to fiscal hell.

Johnson is the twin Mercury boat to fiscal hell.

Posted by: Frank Barone at October 25, 2023 02:58 PM (+oR7L)

106 >>> 77 Where all the morons that said Gaetz was an asshole for getting rid of McCarthy, had no plan B, and not saying shit like little bitches?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 25, 2023 02:55 PM (17s+e)>>>

Ask your friend when Mayorkas, Wray, and Garland are getting impeached. When we return to regular order. When Ukraine gets defunded.

Posted by: greg at October 25, 2023 02:58 PM (KtqAF)

107 I'm so glad the House has a new Speaker.

My face was turning blue from holding my breath this long.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 02:59 PM (dGCAG)

108 >>>. If we truly believe that a more conservative government is a better government - a government that people will vote for - and I do believe that - then we should expect reinforcements in the future.

i'm not scolding anybody, I'm just pointing out a downside that occurs to me. I'm just doing my job here.

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:59 PM (KRtlO)

109 It was an L, that's my point . . . .
Posted by: Elric Blade

Sorry I ruined your Black Panther party.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 25, 2023 02:59 PM (IG4Id)

110 Can't find the "pendulous balls" quotation-- not from Shakespeare or anyone else. I've run several variations of the "balls" quote, too, to make sure I'm not one letter off or something.

Pls advise where you found it.
Posted by: mnw at October 25, 2023
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He made it up. Damn him for it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023

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Darned if it didn't sound like a line from one of the comedies.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 25, 2023 02:59 PM (J2vNu)

111 Yeah, maybe it's a setup (we've all seen plenty of those) but until I've seen him back stab us, I'll cut slack to anyone who O'CrazyHo-Tittycaca appears to hate that much.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 25, 2023 03:00 PM (Y6AXb)

112 >>>Ace: McCarthy gonna stay in even after losing power
Well? So did Piglosi

yeah that's odd too. I assume she's staying for the graft and Stock Tips.

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 03:00 PM (KRtlO)

113 Yet McCarthy said he had no plans to retire. What gives?

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Frank Luntz charges a pretty penny to live with him, whether you're sharing his bed or not.

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 25, 2023 03:00 PM (5vQXq)

114 No blood oath?? How are they gonna keep Johnson accountable?

Posted by: runner at October 25, 2023 03:00 PM (hht4k)

115 Addition by subtraction.
Traitor, war monger, weasel. Adios.
Go service Mr Luntz.

Posted by: Voter theater. at October 25, 2023 03:00 PM (FSUqY)

116 102 >>>If McCarthy retires, he gets replaced by a Republican, 99% likelihood.

okay but that could be a ways off. if mccarthy splits now, we're down a body until the special election.
Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:58 PM (KRtlO)

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While the GOP still has a majority and will spend its time passing a CR that it was going to pass anyway.

It's not like Congress passes real statute anymore.

It's not a 1 seat majority, it's a 5 seat majority.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (GBKbO)

117 81 ... Lots of cheering on here for punching McCarthy in the nuts. I join in that. But I don't see how Johnson will be any better or more effective than McCarthy. Johnson still has a very slim majority and half of the GOP is spineless RINO shitheads.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 02:52 PM (iFTx/)
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I cheered it and still do. If Johnson doesn't return to regular order, I'll cheer for punching him in the nuts, too.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (ELpxa)
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I hope you have a lot of pom-poms ready! I think the odds of returning to regular order -- and consistently -- are somewhere between low and are-you-fucking-kidding-me. Nobody in Congress actually wants regular order, despite what some of them might say.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (iFTx/)

118 >>>If McCarthy retires, he gets replaced by a Republican, 99% likelihood.

okay but that could be a ways off. if mccarthy splits now, we're down a body until the special election.
Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:58 PM (KRtlO)

He still has the grift and the sweet pad in DC. I'll believe he leaves the scene when he does it.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (eoQWY)

119 It was an L, that's my point . . . .
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 02:56 PM (iFTx/)

If you still think this exercise was a net loss, then you either don't understand the difference between tactics and strategy, or you simply have different goals than I do.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (5C4od)

120 Gaetz is a low brow asshole. Whether you liked McCarthy or not, partnering with Democrats to take down the leader doesn't sit well with a lot of people. You need allies to get things done in Congress. There's a decent part of the caucus who don't want to have anything to do with him. He was posturing throughout the speaker selection process because the "wrong" candidate would cut him off at the knees. He's trying to save his own skin. I learned a long time ago not to trust anybody in Congress and this asshole is no different.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (L9/32)

121 > 107 I'm so glad the House has a new Speaker.

My face was turning blue from holding my breath this long.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 02:59 PM (dGCAG)

Nice sarc.

If only we had a constitutional government and the feds couldn't spend any money without an explicit House vote...

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (Y6AXb)

122 i'm not scolding anybody, I'm just pointing out a downside that occurs to me. I'm just doing my job here.

I approve.

Posted by: Bob Slydell at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (I/Qkd)

123 Gaetz is a low brow asshole.

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Well, he is in Congress.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (sX1BW)

124 god what a bunch of old women on here

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (AcWfM)

125 I'm so glad the House has a new Speaker.

My face was turning blue from holding my breath this long.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 25

We were about to go grocery shopping then my wife said but we don't have a Speaker.

So maybe we'll shop next week?

Posted by: Not trying to be mean but? at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (/qa9n)

126 These 535 'people' are just what the founders warned us about.

Posted by: Eromero at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (NxC5+)

127 123 Gaetz is a low brow asshole.

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Well, he is in Congress.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (sX1BW)

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It'd be better if he hid it from the public better, I guess.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (GBKbO)

128 Can't find the "pendulous balls" quotation-- not from Shakespeare or anyone else. I've run several variations of the "balls" quote, too, to make sure I'm not one letter off or something.

Pls advise where you found it.

Posted by: mnw at October 25, 2023

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He got it from the new AI ChatBot AceGPT

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 25, 2023 03:03 PM (5vQXq)

129 i'm not scolding anybody, I'm just pointing out a downside that occurs to me. I'm just doing my job here.
Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:59 PM (KRtlO)
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There is a downside, insofar as the Republicans losing power is a downside. That does remove the only brake, crappy as it is.

But maintaining the Republicans as they have been for at least the past 15 years - ever since at very latest the "Tea Party" betrayal - is not a win, either. It is a brake, but it's barely that. More like a worn out retarder than a brake. It can shave a couple of miles per hour off the runaway truck, but it can't change its direction or slow it down enough to try taking the next exit. The GOP is not fit for purpose as it is currently constituted. It needs to be slapped about the face and neck until it gets better.

It could also die. That is the other option. But "business as usual" is now, I think, off the table. The GOP can change or it can die.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:03 PM (ELpxa)

130 I'm taking this win and enjoying it, however small and likely to be betrayed. I swear, some of y'all like to roll around in misery.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 25, 2023 03:03 PM (aD39U)

131 oh no! good news! a good man is now Speaker, instead of a faggy weasel.

damn that Gaetz! damn him to Hell!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 25, 2023 03:03 PM (AcWfM)

132 We were about to go grocery shopping then my wife said but we don't have a Speaker.

So maybe we'll shop next week?
Posted by: Not trying to be mean but? at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (/qa9n)

I tried that when they tried to collect my electric bill. They didnt seem to care. I was confused.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:03 PM (CIS44)

133 i'm not scolding anybody, I'm just pointing out a downside that occurs to me. I'm just doing my job here.

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:59 PM (KRtlO)

Reform always gets worse before it gets better. And that's another problem with the Republican / Conservative angle on this.

They never can accept it getting worse. But Cloward-Piven is real. Because that really is human nature. Things have to get worse before they change. Or change doesn't happen.

The Left is not wrong on this. They want things to get worse. Stop wasting your time running out there trying to stop them from doing what they want to stop them from getting what they think they want just because you can't stand the idea of things getting worse.

Posted by: Simple Folks at October 25, 2023 03:03 PM (r/uUB)

134 BUT GAETZ DIDNT HAVE A PLAN!!!

Posted by: Ex GOP at October 25, 2023 03:03 PM (V3K4b)

135 130 I'm taking this win and enjoying it, however small and likely to be betrayed. I swear, some of y'all like to roll around in misery.

lol they really do G'rump

and you're the Grump! heh

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 25, 2023 03:03 PM (AcWfM)

136 Posted by: Mike "Big" Johnson at October 25, 2023 02:45 PM (aD39U)

That "Big Johnson T-shirt" company is still around. They should make one for him. Big Johnson Gavels. With cartoon obviously-McCarthy holding a tiny gavel, and cartoon obviously-Johnson holding a huge one, with all the bikini babes around him.

"No one questions your motions when you've got a Big Johnson."

Posted by: mikeski at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (DgGvY)

137 "Even AOC isn't too deep or sloppy for a Big Johnson"

maybe?

Posted by: JQ at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (njWTi)

138 I'm taking this win and enjoying it, however small and likely to be betrayed. I swear, some of y'all like to roll around in misery.

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No risk, no reward.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (sX1BW)

139 I hope you have a lot of pom-poms ready! I think the odds of returning to regular order -- and consistently -- are somewhere between low and are-you-fucking-kidding-me. Nobody in Congress actually wants regular order, despite what some of them might say.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (iFTx/)
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My pom-poms will not be needed, because I don't think the next guy will be fired from the Speakership when he fails to return to regular order. It will just go down as yet another item in the shockingly long list of GOP failures and betrayals.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (ELpxa)

140 >>Gaetz is a low brow asshole. Whether you liked McCarthy or not, partnering with Democrats to take down the leader doesn't sit well with a lot of people.

McCarthy made a deal and he suffered the consequences of that deal.

I don't blame Gaetz for making him pay the price.

The ultimate cost of the action will be precisely, nothing.

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (VdpRO)

141 I'm just doing my job here.
Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:59 PM

You have a wonderful blog here but I would personally like to see more of deez nutz.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (V8he0)

142 I'm beginning to understand most conservatives want to be in the minority and just do meaningless virtue signal bills like ObamaCare repeals or balanced budget votes that do absolutely nothing.
Posted by: Blago at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (wMRY

Most conservatives consider the status quo to be comfortable and useful to them.

You can call them sheep, but it is probably better to refer to them as "comfortable wolves" instead.

Even a poodle will revert under enough pressure, and cows can adapt very nicely to living feral

Posted by: MR Henderson at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (xhaym)

143 I get why Blago hs the nic Blago now.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (17s+e)

144 Gaetz can take what he gets. He made a calculation. Who did he want.

He can STFU now. It is what it is now.

did we accomplish anything ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (NtVYv)

145 god what a bunch of old women on here
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (AcWfM)

How dare you!! *bursts into tears, runs away*

Posted by: Dr. T at October 25, 2023 03:05 PM (bhRsz)

146 Gaetz is a low brow asshole.

And??? I wanted him to shake things up, not be my bestie.

Whether you liked McCarthy or not, partnering with Democrats to take down the leader doesn't sit well with a lot of people.

If by a lot of people, you mean the GOPe and Fox News, then I agree. You know what I haven't heard a lot of during this whole episode? Average constituents praising McCarthy and wishing things had stayed the same.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 03:05 PM (I/Qkd)

147 130 I'm taking this win and enjoying it, however small and likely to be betrayed. I swear, some of y'all like to roll around in misery.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 25, 2023 03:03 PM (aD39U)

It's a great win.
And one b/c the Uniparty got desperate for graft...and couldn't give themselves away.
Damn, does Gaetz have great political instincts and timing...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 25, 2023 03:05 PM (exHjb)

148 Gloom! Despair! Agony, oh my!

Posted by: AoSHQ Hee Haw Commentators at October 25, 2023 03:05 PM (4I/2K)

149 >>131 oh no! good news! a good man is now Speaker, instead of a faggy weasel.

damn that Gaetz! damn him to Hell!
Posted by: BlackOrchid

Yeah, he's just horrible. HORRIBLE.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 25, 2023 03:05 PM (l10hq)

150 Gaetz is a low brow asshole. Whether you liked McCarthy or not, partnering with Democrats to take down the leader doesn't sit well with a lot of people. You need allies to get things done in Congress. There's a decent part of the caucus who don't want to have anything to do with him. He was posturing throughout the speaker selection process because the "wrong" candidate would cut him off at the knees. He's trying to save his own skin. I learned a long time ago not to trust anybody in Congress and this asshole is no different.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (L9/32)

I approve of the people he's drowning to 'save his own skin'.

And of course McC was literally partnering the Democrats to pass a terrible budget, but you approve of that.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:05 PM (eoQWY)

151 That "Big Johnson T-shirt" company is still around.
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see #36

Posted by: JQ at October 25, 2023 03:05 PM (njWTi)

152 It'd be better if he hid it from the public better, I guess.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (GBKbO)

The fact that he held someone accountable in public is beyond the pale. He def should have done it in secret.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:06 PM (CIS44)

153 McCarthy made a deal and he suffered the consequences of that deal.

I don't blame Gaetz for making him pay the price.

The ultimate cost of the action will be precisely, nothing.
Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (VdpRO)

So what did Gaetz get us ? Hopefully this new dude is better. Not sticking up for MCc

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 25, 2023 03:06 PM (NtVYv)

154 Damn, does Gaetz have great political instincts and timing...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 25, 2023 03:05 PM (exHjb)

and fuck you money.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 25, 2023 03:06 PM (aD39U)

155 >>It's not a 1 seat majority, it's a 5 seat majority.

It's a weak Majority.

Because it is a Republican Majority.

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:06 PM (VdpRO)

156 "The Trump Obsessive Disorder brigade has entered the chat.

You do know it's blasphemous and kinda gay to deify this guy, right?

Is there anything that doesn't revolve around your obese small-handed object of sexual obsession?"

You're turning into both Ace and Gary.

Yesterday you were having a conniption over Trump nuking Emmer, no matter why the reason. I don't care if Orange Man is petty, he's gotten better results than the Ben Shapiro "having a plan" ConInc. cucks that involves punting on first down like what has been going on for years.

This is a seriously bad idea Ace. No matter what you have donated or been paid by NeverBackDown, your candidate will never be a real President. Wearing lifts won't make your candidate a President. Tossing a football on Hannity's show won't make you President. Your candidate will never walk into the Oval Office and go through what normal Orange Man does every day. There is no magic spring that will turn your candidate into the President.

Posted by: YouGotALoicense at October 25, 2023 03:06 PM (Tbiph)

157 If only we had a constitutional government and the feds couldn't spend any money without an explicit House vote...

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (Y6AXb)

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The way Biden throws around hundreds of millions and hundreds of billions of dollars to this pet cause grift and that willy-nilly, I'm starting to suspect that spending doesn't come from the legislature, start in The House, or has any resemblance to a constitutional republic.

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 25, 2023 03:06 PM (5vQXq)

158 god what a bunch of old women on here
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 25, 2023 03:02 PM (AcWfM)

That's an insult to old women, who would smack you silly with their canes.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (eoQWY)

159 Hatari, the new dude is better than Mrs Luntz

no worries on that

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (AcWfM)

160 34 He says he then went to Scalise, Jordan, and Emmer and told them that McCarthy had just outed himself as the person causing every nominee to fail. This led to these men then supporting Johnson.
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So if true, it blew up in his face

I, uh, don't understand the issue. When I go from man to man to man, I, uh, look forward to the explosion in, uh, my face. Or, uh, elsewhere, when I do a little "backstabbing" of my own...

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (JCZqz)

161 I really don't care since it seems all organs of government are cancerous growths.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (wxgaw)

162 >>So what did Gaetz get us ? Hopefully this new dude is better.

He didn't 'get us' shit.

He did take a scalp.

And we need more of those.

Even if it is only to make a blanket or some shit.

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (VdpRO)

163 146 If by a lot of people, you mean the GOPe and Fox News, then I agree. You know what I haven't heard a lot of during this whole episode? Average constituents praising McCarthy and wishing things had stayed the same.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 03:05 PM (I/Qkd)

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DC power fights are inside baseball and few people actually give a shit much less notice it's going on despite the media trying to make every opportune inside the Beltway spat into the next Watergate to take down whomever is in their sights.

I remember when I was assured that Mitch denying Garland a hearing for SCOTUS was a deathknell for the Republican Party as a whole because America as a whole would never accept 8 justices on the Court. America largely didn't care, and they ended up taking Trump's side on things.

Maybe the "common sense" from DC and newspapers are anything but?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (GBKbO)

164 BTW I'm betting McCarthy doesn't go anywhere. Once these people are in, they almost never leave.

Also, Gaetz is also supposedly responsible for the rumor and story that McCarthy was going to run again, which never happened. I find it kinda funny how everything Gaetz says is now some golden truth, even though none of its verified and there's no opposing view on what he's stated. Weird.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (L9/32)

165 So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now.

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All you stupid MAGAts had to do was let the (D)s have everything they wanted, but nooooo, that wasn't good enough for you.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (RDD2k)

166 The GOP can change or it can die.

Succinct and accurate.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 03:08 PM (I/Qkd)

167 How is this better than no speaker?

Posted by: greg at October 25, 2023 03:08 PM (KtqAF)

168 Whether you liked McCarthy or not,

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I was actually pleasantly surprised with McCarthy. He wasn't great ... but I guess he could have been worse (that's how low the bar is). I didn't think he needed to be ousted. But I never lost any sleep over it.

Marcus - I appreciate your comments. Of course you need allies. And all this really did was show that there was deep division in the GOP. I doubt this changes things much. But I'm hopeful.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 03:08 PM (sX1BW)

169 120 Gaetz is a low brow asshole. Whether you liked McCarthy or not, partnering with Democrats to take down the leader doesn't sit well with a lot of people. You need allies to get things done in Congress. There's a decent part of the caucus who don't want to have anything to do with him. He was posturing throughout the speaker selection process because the "wrong" candidate would cut him off at the knees. He's trying to save his own skin. I learned a long time ago not to trust anybody in Congress and this asshole is no different.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (L9/32)

Nobody trusts them, don't worry. Thanks for your concern.

What happened is 1 - GOPe was taught an object lesson and 2 - a more conservative speaker was elected.

If you think this is a net loss because Gaetz is pitching it as a personal win, I hate to break it to you, but I don't care.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 25, 2023 03:08 PM (5C4od)

170
I'm beginning to understand most conservatives want to be in the minority and just do meaningless virtue signal bills like ObamaCare repeals or balanced budget votes that do absolutely nothing.
Posted by: Blago at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (wMRY

Holy shit, the broken clock just chimed the right time!

Posted by: OneEyedJack channels his Eeyore at October 25, 2023 03:08 PM (FCbAQ)

171 CA-20 was redistricted recently, of course, and it looks like it was made into a really red district (from wikipedia: 2022 Governor Dahle 69.5 - 30.5% Senator Meuser 67.7 - 32.3%).

If McCarthy retires, he gets replaced by a Republican, 99% likelihood.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 02:57 PM (GBKbO

sad, so sad. Kevin might have been president and now he might not even manage to get decent revenge.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 25, 2023 03:08 PM (xhaym)

172 I also don't see Mrs Luntz quitting no way

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 25, 2023 03:08 PM (AcWfM)

173 So what did Gaetz get us ? Hopefully this new dude is better. Not sticking up for MCc
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 25, 2023 03:06 PM (NtVYv)
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What Gaetz got - even if Johnson is just another McCarthy clone (which is how I expect it to shake out) - is accountability for a Party leader. That *never* happens. He made a malefactor suffer real and personal consequences for being a shitheel.

That alone is more than anyone could have reasonably expected to happen.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:08 PM (ELpxa)

174 BUT GAETZ DIDNT HAVE A PLAN!!!

Neither did Patton. And he ultimately made Marshall's 95 Division Plan worse, not better. But he took a bunch of easy territory on the way during his break-out.

Montgomery, however, had a plan. Operation Market Garden. It turned out shitty. But the man had a plan. Didn't do the 1st British Airborne or the Polish Brigade much good. But he had one.

Posted by: Simple Folks at October 25, 2023 03:08 PM (r/uUB)

175 We were about to go grocery shopping then my wife said but we don't have a Speaker.

So maybe we'll shop next week?
Posted by: Not trying to be mean but? at October 25, 2023

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We were about to vote for a Speaker, but then we got high.

Posted by: House of Reps at October 25, 2023 03:08 PM (J2vNu)

176 Hatari, the new dude is better than Mrs Luntz

no worries on that
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (AcWfM)

Ok, good.

I just can't get over Gaetz whining about what he got

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 25, 2023 03:09 PM (NtVYv)

177 139 I hope you have a lot of pom-poms ready! I think the odds of returning to regular order -- and consistently -- are somewhere between low and are-you-fucking-kidding-me. Nobody in Congress actually wants regular order, despite what some of them might say.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 03:01 PM (iFTx/)
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My pom-poms will not be needed, because I don't think the next guy will be fired from the Speakership when he fails to return to regular order. It will just go down as yet another item in the shockingly long list of GOP failures and betrayals.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:04 PM (ELpxa
_________

I thought you supported this. But it seems you agree with me that this whole thing was pointless at best from the perspective of actually improving the conservative position in the House? I phrased it that way to put aside the visceral joy of seeing McCarthy punched in the balls.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 03:09 PM (iFTx/)

178 120 Gaetz is a low brow asshole. Whether you liked McCarthy or not, partnering with Democrats to take down the leader doesn't sit well with a lot of people.

You mean like how McCarthy partnered with Dems to ensure that he could tamp down any resistance from backbenchers like Gaetz? A deal the Dems chose not to keep. It's funny how collaborating with Dems to stay in power is unobjectionable but working with them to oust the collaborator is an offense.

Posted by: But if CA Repubs who live with another man in a house with a fake oval office are your thing at October 25, 2023 03:09 PM (6z4VY)

179 24 To add to the doom, don't forget the Supreme Court aiding the Democrats in AL to flip a seat to the D as well.

If CA and NY scheme to keep those seats vacant, AL should follow suit.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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AL won't happen until 2024 election. Who knows what will be going on then. One year is a lifetime in politics.

California law requires a special election between 126 days and 140 days unless Congress is in its second session (2024 session) where California allows 180 days.

Regarding Santos in NY. Expulsion requires 2/3rds vote so unlikely until after trial and conviction. NY law is complicated and it depends on whether the vacancy is in the first year or second year of a Congress. Roughly same timeline so purposefully delaying is not really an option.

Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:09 PM (TKiGG)

180 Where, where, are you tonight?
Why did you leave me here all alone?
I searched the world over,
And thought I found true love.
You met another and
Phht! you were gone.

Posted by: AoSHQ Hee Haw Commentators at October 25, 2023 03:09 PM (4I/2K)

181 "These people are pro-abortion, not pro-choice."

I've never had the chance to use the phrase "Abortion enthusiast" to one's face, but I hope someday to be able to do so.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 25, 2023 03:10 PM (ou9hh)

182 So what did Gaetz get us ? Hopefully this new dude is better.
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He didn't 'get us' shit.

He did take a scalp.

And we need more of those.

Even if it is only to make a blanket or some shit.

Posted by: garrett

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Between him and that Auburn coach we've seen more actual action against the government/left from our "representatives" than we've seen since... Gingrich, maybe? And I'm not sure that's appropriate, either.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:10 PM (RDD2k)

183 McCarthy was Paul Ryan's lackey when he was Speaker.
Not at all surprised by McCarthy's actions.

I really wish the Republicans would fight Democrats half as hard as they fight us.

Posted by: Ironwolf32 at October 25, 2023 03:10 PM (htZul)

184 You mean like how McCarthy partnered with Dems to ensure that he could tamp down any resistance from backbenchers like Gaetz? A deal the Dems chose not to keep. It's funny how collaborating with Dems to stay in power is unobjectionable but working with them to oust the collaborator is an offense.
Posted by: But if CA Repubs
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Someone's cheese got moved and that makes them tetchy.

Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:10 PM (TKiGG)

185 The Trump Obsessive Disorder brigade has entered the chat.

You do know it's blasphemous and kinda gay to deify this guy, right?

Is there anything that doesn't revolve around your obese small-handed object of sexual obsession?
Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:50 PM (KRtlO)

Dang it, I gotta go grab my popcorn again!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 25, 2023 03:10 PM (JMAcK)

186 Its coming on Halloween. Can we expect another Hitlerian Biden speech in front of Independence Hall? Cuz I really like Hitlerian Biden speeches.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 25, 2023 03:10 PM (PGK1w)

187 Even if it is only to make a blanket or some shit.
Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (VdpRO)

A hat would be cool

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 25, 2023 03:10 PM (NtVYv)

188 Neither did Patton. And he ultimately made Marshall's 95 Division Plan worse, not better. But he took a bunch of easy territory on the way during his break-out.

Montgomery, however, had a plan.

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Plans are for architect's and communists.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (sX1BW)

189 yeah but we can't keep saying "Yay we won by losing yet again!" forever, can we?

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (KRtlO)

Dude, I'd love to win. Like, really win. But if it is our fate to do no better than throw sand in their gears then so be it. I won't accept being a socialist-lite just because they won't become MAGA.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (GYIa4)

190 No more shines, McCarthy.

Posted by: Matt Gaetz, American Hero at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (R/m4+)

191 Most of the people thinking that this is a win supported the blow hard Jim Jordan who has done nothing other than make good sound bites. And, you know, be brutally efficient at executing his primary job of crushing conservative speech as Google’s chief lobbyist.

Posted by: greg at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (KtqAF)

192 yeah that's odd too. I assume she's staying for the graft and Stock Tips.
Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 03:00 PM (KRtlO)

Keeps her from having to go home and deal with her husband and his regular "issues"

Posted by: Kindltot at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (xhaym)

193 I thought you supported this. But it seems you agree with me that this whole thing was pointless at best from the perspective of actually improving the conservative position in the House? I phrased it that way to put aside the visceral joy of seeing McCarthy punched in the balls.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 03:09 PM (iFTx/)
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Not at all. I did support this, and I will support doing the same to Johnson if he doesn't deliver. I just don't expect it to happen because there is nothing a politician hates more than accountability and without the specific factors that resulted in Gaetz using the nuclear option, I don't see a repeat of it.

Could the new speaker force the bandits in the HoR to hold their nose and pretend to be conservatives to save their own pasty skins? I hope so, I just doubt it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (ELpxa)

194 186 Its coming on Halloween. Can we expect another Hitlerian Biden speech in front of Independence Hall? Cuz I really like Hitlerian Biden speeches.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 25, 2023 03:10 PM (PGK1w)

All it was missing was the blood dripping from the corner of his mouth onto his devil chin

Posted by: It's me donna at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (bs+z0)

195 Johnson's first speech as Speaker.:
Damn good beginning.
He wont be stabbing us in the back. May be the front. But hey, it's politics. It's combat, of sorts.
But the friendly fire injuries and fatalities will decrease with Johnson. He is a fighter.
While all fighters lose once in a while, it will be nice to not be stabbed in the back, by design.

Posted by: Voter theater. at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (FSUqY)

196 I really wish the Republicans would fight Democrats half as hard as they fight us.
Posted by: Ironwolf32

GOPe members are up there to get generational wealth for their families and they cooperate with the Dems to get it. That is the basis of the uniparty--allow the GOPe side to get rich while capitulating to teh Dems on power and policy.

Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (TKiGG)

197 Dang it, I gotta go grab my popcorn again!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian

Eww, stale popcorn. Pop a fresh batch.

Posted by: mikeski at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (DgGvY)

198 Gaetz is a low brow asshole. Whether you liked McCarthy or not, partnering with Democrats...

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"Even rank-and-file centrist conservatives were unsure, leaving McCarthy searching for votes from his slim Republican majority....

As the tally faltered in the afternoon procedural vote, Jeffries stood silently and raised his green voting card, signaling that the Democrats would fill in the gap to ensure passage. They did, advancing the bill that 29 hard-right Republicans, many from the Freedom Caucus, refused to back."

https://tinyurl.com/ywja5qr4

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (RDD2k)

199 The Headless Horseman took a look at Joey Bidet and said, "neigh! Thy noggin not worthy to rest upon my shoulders!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (wxgaw)

200 You guys really need some new pseudo arguments. I relish being here in a few months when we start hearing what a sellout and GOPe stand in Johnson is.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (L9/32)

201 Gaetz is a low brow asshole.

..

He took down a lying scumbag.

Posted by: Not trying to be mean but? at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (/qa9n)

202 This notion of partnering with the democrats to oust a speaker.

Funny, before I read that for the 1000th time after McCarthy was ousted it had never occurred to me.
Because at no time did I suspect Gaetz even spoke to a Dem about it.
He put a vote together because McCarthy packed up a $hitburger to eat. McCarthy was butthurt because he thought he had his left flank covered, but it was covered by tranny chairforce not even meal team 6.

I'm supposed to worry that a speaker who defied his caucus was ousted because Dems voted for it to?
Nope.. dog don't hunt.
Gaetz reasons were sound and that's good enough for me.

Posted by: Inogame at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (D/9Qo)

203 greg seems to be having some difficulty getting people to bite on his provocations. Please let that continue.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (I/Qkd)

204 189 Dude, I'd love to win. Like, really win. But if it is our fate to do no better than throw sand in their gears then so be it. I won't accept being a socialist-lite just because they won't become MAGA.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (GYIa4)

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The problem is that "our" party's leadership is against us as much as the other party is as a whole. Winning with the current leadership is of limited value, at best.

This is first and foremost an effort to change the GOP, and it's part of an effort that's been going on since at least Taft vs. Eisenhower.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (GBKbO)

205 103 - Wolfie, that idiot Santos from New York who has basically been lying about his entire life to get elected. He's probably going to go down soon.

Posted by: Jaimo at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (DBrN4)

206 Whether you liked McCarthy or not, partnering with Democrats to take down the leader doesn't sit well with a lot of people.

McCarthy partnered with Dems to keep his SoH job and got stabbed in the back by them. Gaetz used the Dems to get something he wanted.

Both are scheming little shitweasels in a congress full of scheming little shitweasels. I'm just glad they took a break from scheming against the citizenry for a few weeks.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (Bd6X8)

207 You guys really need some new pseudo arguments. I relish being here in a few months when we start hearing what a sellout and GOPe stand in Johnson is.
Posted by: Marcus T a

And he can get the heave ho too.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (CIS44)

208 And remember, that gay hustler from Brazil is about to be booted out.
_____

Who is that?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 25, 2023 02:58 PM (J2vNu)

It's not ringing any bells for me either. I know it's not my Congressman, he was born here and has a Dutch last name.

Posted by: pookysgirl married into the Dutchest of last names at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (dtlDP)

209 I really don't care since it seems all organs of government are cancerous growths.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (wxgaw)

She said, like, organs. Heheheheheh!

Posted by: Beavis at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (4I/2K)

210 Something that looks to me as if it's being overlooked is, the new Speaker will serve for only 14 months-- and two of those will be as a lame duck, i.e., after the new Congress is elected.

So Johnson ("rerrbit!") is a short-timer already.

To me, that kind of puts the 22 day Gaetz zhi*show in perspective. Much Ado About Nothing.*

*(Shakespeare really DID write that one.)

Posted by: mnw at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (NLIak)

211 Where, where, are you tonight?
Why did you leave me here all alone?
I searched the world over,
And thought I found true love.
You met another and
Phht! you were gone.
Posted by: AoSHQ Hee Haw Commentators at October 25, 2023

***
"Roy, what's 'anatomy'?"
"Junior, it's something both men and women have. But it looks better on the women."

Posted by: House of Reps at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (J2vNu)

212 Neither did Patton. And he ultimately made Marshall's 95 Division Plan worse, not better. But he took a bunch of easy territory on the way during his break-out.

Montgomery, however, had a plan.

---------------

Plans are for architect's and communists.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 03:11 PM (sX1BW)

Biden - Afghanistan

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (NtVYv)

213 161 I really don't care since it seems all organs of government are cancerous growths.
Posted by: Anna Puma

concur.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (91TBR)

214 Ace made up the quote from Shakespeare about balls. Well done. Ace. There are references to balls in Shakepeare but not really as symbols of masculine fortitude and courage unless you want to count the tennis balls (Which really ARE tennis balls) which the Dauphin sends to Henry V mocking his youthful frivolity and which Henry refers to gun balls or something like that indicating that he (Henry) is resolved to go to war.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (RSbhh)

215 yeah but we can't keep saying "Yay we won by losing yet again!" forever, can we?

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 02:53 PM (KRtlO)

Dude, I'd love to win. Like, really win. But if it is our fate to do no better than throw sand in their gears then so be it. I won't accept being a socialist-lite just because they won't become MAGA.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic

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Oh no, we're going to temporarily inconvenience the people who locked down the country and destroyed private businesses that took lifetimes to build.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (RDD2k)

216 "Roy, what's 'anatomy'?"
"Junior, it's something both men and women have. But it looks better on the women."
Posted by: House of Reps at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (J2vNu)

Wynona had a big brown beaver

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 25, 2023 03:14 PM (NtVYv)

217 You guys really need some new pseudo arguments. I relish being here in a few months when we start hearing what a sellout and GOPe stand in Johnson is.

Posted by: Marcus T

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Then shut it down again.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:14 PM (RDD2k)

218 Montgomery and XXX Corps. One road only. And it required three bridges to be seized.

At Arnhem it all fell apart.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 25, 2023 03:14 PM (wxgaw)

219 Any Anti-Gaetz commenters here can feel free to tell me what promise he broke so that he should be the next Republican removed from office for insufficiently representing our interests. I promise you, the bar to convince me is low. My only qualification is that our representatives actually represent us. I'm all out of fucks to give about any sort of emotional appeal about their character.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 25, 2023 03:14 PM (fKIdX)

220 Maybe it’s a win: tbd. I expect a CR and Ukraine funding shortly.

Posted by: greg at October 25, 2023 03:14 PM (KtqAF)

221 yeah that's odd too. I assume she's staying for the graft and Stock Tips.
Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 03:00 PM (KRtlO)

My guess is, Pelousy will retire as soon as whoever runs her operation has an acceptable replacement available. I suspect her team doesn't want other factions to have the upper hand on filling the seat.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 03:14 PM (dGCAG)

222 Throw the speaker out every other month and spend a month electing a new one. Sounds good to me.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:14 PM (CIS44)

223 And remember, that gay hustler from Brazil is about to be booted out.
_____
Who is that?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 25, 2023
*
It's not ringing any bells for me either. I know it's not my Congressman, he was born here and has a Dutch last name.
Posted by: pookysgirl married into the Dutchest of last names at October 25, 2023

***
We had a gay hustler as president. But he came from Kenya and Indonesia by way of Chicago.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (J2vNu)

224 194 186 Its coming on Halloween. Can we expect another Hitlerian Biden speech in front of Independence Hall? Cuz I really like Hitlerian Biden speeches.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 25, 2023 03:10 PM (PGK1w)

All it was missing was the blood dripping from the corner of his mouth onto his devil chin
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We will have to make do with drool.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (PGK1w)

225 Wynona had a big brown beaver
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 25, 2023 03:14 PM (NtVYv)

She just had it stuffed.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (aD39U)

226 This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:
https://is.gd/2nTFHm

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (ELpxa)

227 I really don't care since it seems all organs of government are cancerous growths.
Posted by: Anna Puma

I could live with "fuck cancer," but this..... this is over the line.

Posted by: a cancerous growth at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (DgGvY)

228 And when we lose and the Democrats get control of everything, they say "Boy, this showed Mitch McConnell, didn't it?

Posted by: Blago at October 25, 2023 02:55 PM (wMRY

The Democrats have HAD control of everything. They just accepted having an elephant sticker on their wishlist.

Seriously, what the fuck have we gotten of the Congress since the last election? A Speaker with an R behind his name who gave the Dems everything they wanted. Big fucking deal.

"I am not altogether on anybody’s side, because nobody is altogether on my side, if you understand me: nobody cares for the woods as I care for them, not even Elves nowadays."

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (GYIa4)

229 You guys really need some new pseudo arguments. I relish being here in a few months when we start hearing what a sellout and GOPe stand in Johnson is.

They're all sell-outs. I worry about McCarthy losing to Johnson just like I'll worry about Johnson losing to whomever.

No more worry that changing out a rubber. Until the GOP acts differently, neither will I.

You're still trying to argue the various merits of Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant.

Posted by: Simple Folks at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (r/uUB)

230 Looking at Mike Johnson’s Judiciary Committee clips on YouTube, he appears to be despised by Cori Bush and other D’s, including the Delegate from DC. That’s an excellent character reference, imo.

Posted by: EveR at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (LdQWo)

231 Wolfie, that idiot Santos from New York who has basically been lying about his entire life to get elected. He's probably going to go down soon.

Posted by: Jaimo at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (DBrN4)

Did not know he was from Brazil, I got a sleazeball-from-Joisey vibe from him.

Posted by: pookysgirl, waiting for the Brazilian jokes at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (dtlDP)

232 That is not bad news. That is addition by subtraction.
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I was told there's be no math.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (krqg6)

233 Throw the speaker out every other month and spend a month electing a new one. Sounds good to me.

Posted by: BruceWayne
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BRUCEWAYNE 2024

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (RDD2k)

234 Also, Gaetz is also supposedly responsible for the rumor and story that McCarthy was going to run again, which never happened. I find it kinda funny how everything Gaetz says is now some golden truth, even though none of its verified and there's no opposing view on what he's stated. Weird.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 25, 2023 03:07 PM (L9/32)

The vote totals showed you that somebody was scuppering reasonable candidates. It doesn't take Gaetz mouthing off for everyone in the room to see the likely culprit. Once people had to take a public stand the 'opposition' melted away as it usually does. The GOPe publically admitting it's taking out its opp rather than being wise above the fray legislators would be their death knell.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (eoQWY)

235 Also, Gaetz is also supposedly responsible for the rumor and story that McCarthy was going to run again, which never happened. I find it kinda funny how everything Gaetz says is now some golden truth, even though none of its verified and there's no opposing view on what he's stated. Weird.
Posted by: Marcus T
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Gaetz had no reason to lie about what happened in conference as all the GOP members there know what happened and I suspect will corroborate that McCarthy objected to the conference nominating Johnson by acclaim. The only reason to do that is to keep the turmoil going to benefit McCarthy.

Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (TKiGG)

236 I'm just glad this is all over so Congress can focus on what really matters: sending more tax dollars to Ukraine.

Posted by: brak at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (25k9m)

237 My guess is, Pelousy will retire as soon as whoever runs her operation has an acceptable replacement available. I suspect her team doesn't want other factions to have the upper hand on filling the seat.

She's got a nephew in politics that doesn't know the difference between Maryland and his own state that would be perfect.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (Bd6X8)

238 Who is that?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 25, 2023
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It's not ringing any bells for me either. I know it's not my Congressman, he was born here and has a Dutch last name.
Posted by: pookysgirl married into the Dutchest of last names at October 25, 2023

Santos from NY

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (CIS44)

239 Both are scheming little shitweasels in a congress full of scheming little shitweasels. I'm just glad they took a break from scheming against the citizenry for a few weeks.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM (Bd6X

Poetry. And true!

Posted by: Voter theater. at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (FSUqY)

240 131 oh no! good news! a good man is now Speaker, instead of a faggy weasel.

damn that Gaetz! damn him to Hell!
Posted by: BlackOrchid

I know right! Geez, some others need to take the small victory and apparent outing of what a dhitweasel McCarthy is.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (GwxCX)

241 218 Montgomery and XXX Corps. One road only. And it required three bridges to be seized.

At Arnhem it all fell apart.
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Mmm, tanks don't do well in wet plowed fields.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (PGK1w)

242 The Democrats have HAD control of everything. They just accepted having an elephant sticker on their wishlist.

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Didn't the (R)s even let Nancy keep her corner office?

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (RDD2k)

243 >>This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:

She's in the Kitchen.
That's +5 Hotness, right there.

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (VdpRO)

244 Something on line tells me that it's D.H. Lawrence writing in " Lady Chatterly's Lover" in the 1920's who uses balls( testicles) to mean manly power and determination.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (RSbhh)

245 The process has been ugly but it prevented Congress from doing anything stupid while it was going on

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (PeRgH)

246 This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:
https://is.gd/2nTFHm
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

You could cut yourself on those fake eyelashes. 2/10. Would not bang.

Posted by: is this how it's done? at October 25, 2023 03:17 PM (DgGvY)

247 Throw the speaker out every other month and spend a month electing a new one. Sounds good to me.

Posted by: BruceWayne
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BRUCEWAYNE 2024
Posted by: Moron Robbie is ra

I Endorse This Message

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:17 PM (CIS44)

248 Wolfie, that idiot Santos from New York who has basically been lying about his entire life to get elected. He's probably going to go down soon.

Posted by: Jaimo at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (DBrN4)

Did not know he was from Brazil, I got a sleazeball-from-Joisey vibe from him.
Posted by: pookysgirl, waiting for the Brazilian jokes at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (dtlDP)

If lying to get elected was actionable. we'd have 535 vacant seats to fill.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:17 PM (eoQWY)

249 226 This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:
https://is.gd/2nTFHm
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (ELpxa)
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Bitburger is good beer. Surprising it hasn't caught on more in the States.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 03:17 PM (iFTx/)

250 This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:
https://is.gd/2nTFHm
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (ELpxa)

Well I can agree on that. Those eyes !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 25, 2023 03:17 PM (NtVYv)

251 >>I'm just glad this is all over so Congress can focus on what really matters: sending more tax dollars to Ukraine.

You are too young to be so cynical.

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:17 PM (VdpRO)

252 Matt Gaetz Cult Charter Member

JROD Low Brow Asshole #1

Fuck the GOP in the neck. The entire party including whoever this new speaker asshole is should be taken out behind the shed and put one in the head.|
All you pearl clutching pansies need to tie diesel soaked rags around your ankles so the pissants don't crawl up your legs and eat your GOP candy asses. Party has been useless as fck for decades.

Posted by: JROD at October 25, 2023 03:17 PM (IlL6s)

253 Any Anti-Gaetz commenters here can feel free to tell me what promise he broke so that he should be the next Republican removed from office for insufficiently representing our interests. I promise you, the bar to convince me is low. My only qualification is that our representatives actually represent us. I'm all out of fucks to give about any sort of emotional appeal about their character.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 25, 2023 03:14 PM (fKIdX)

Yeah, Gaetz said what he was going to do, and did it.

It was never his job to try to make the Gopey Gopes in the House do the right thing. Presumably his voters were fine with how he went about doing his job, and if they're not, they can let him know next year.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 03:17 PM (dGCAG)

254 Didn't the (R)s even let Nancy keep her corner office?
Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (RDD2k)

it was a secret hideaway office so even better.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:18 PM (eoQWY)

255 Montgomery, however, had a plan. Operation Market Garden. It turned out shitty. But the man had a plan. Didn't do the 1st British Airborne or the Polish Brigade much good. But he had one.

A doomed and failed plan is better than no plan at all. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 25, 2023 03:18 PM (V8he0)

256 My guess is, Pelousy will retire as soon as whoever runs her operation has an acceptable replacement available. I suspect her team doesn't want other factions to have the upper hand on filling the seat.

She's got a nephew in politics that doesn't know the difference between Maryland and his own state that would be perfect.
Posted by: Blanco Basura -

I assume she will secure another election and then retire shortly into next term and have her nephew appoint her daughter to the seat.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:18 PM (CIS44)

257 Oh no, we're going to temporarily inconvenience the people who locked down the country and destroyed private businesses that took lifetimes to build.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM

I'm open to your better idea for what us normies should do. Shall I vote harder?

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 25, 2023 03:18 PM (JCZqz)

258 This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:
https://is.gd/2nTFHm
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Bitte ein Bit.

Posted by: spindrift at October 25, 2023 03:18 PM (AUkrG)

259 And remember, that gay hustler from Brazil is about to be booted out.

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Uh, you’re going to have to narrow that down a bit

Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at October 25, 2023 03:18 PM (VTu1l)

260 The house drama is over. Let's do the senate now. I want the turtle gone. Cronyn and Thune can suck a BOD also. At this point we have nothing to lose. Let's start sacking these assholes.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 25, 2023 03:19 PM (BdMk6)

261 Man the black pillers get mad whenever there is even the slightest hint of incremental success.

Next time when something halfway decent occurs, might I suggest you just go for a walk.

One wonders how they put their pants on in the morning, secure in the knowledge that eventually they must be taken off again.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 25, 2023 03:19 PM (5C4od)

262 Every Republican gets to be Speaker for 15 minutes.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 25, 2023 03:19 PM (aD39U)

263 Bitburger is good beer. Surprising it hasn't caught on more in the States.

It's OK, but it's no Stuttgarter Wizen.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at October 25, 2023 03:19 PM (Bd6X8)

264 257 I'm open to your better idea for what us normies should do. Shall I vote harder?
Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 25, 2023 03:18 PM (JCZqz)

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Well, if you live in a state like PA, offering to show up and help ballot counters in Philly, along with 99,999 of your friends all carrying perfectly legal firearms, could do something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:19 PM (GBKbO)

265 The only good Beer is Root Beer.

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:19 PM (VdpRO)

266 Mrs. Luntz meets expectations yet again.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 25, 2023 03:20 PM (RIvkX)

267 Man the black pillers get mad whenever there is even the slightest hint of incremental success.

Nuh-uh! It's just that nothing good ever happens. We are born into pain, and they we die.

Posted by: United Eeyore Front at October 25, 2023 03:20 PM (I/Qkd)

268 Aside from having an alcoholic beverage Busty blonde doesn't look like she's having a good time in the kitchen. I guess she'll have more fun after the photo shoot is over.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 25, 2023 03:20 PM (RSbhh)

269 If lying to get elected was actionable. we'd have 535 vacant seats to fill.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:17 PM (eoQWY)

Don't tease me like that. I have to walk through the halls here at work.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 03:20 PM (dGCAG)

270 I nominate the China/Russia attack on Finish pipeline as first item
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We no roose anchos!

Posted by: PLA Navy at October 25, 2023 03:20 PM (krqg6)

271 At Arnhem it all fell apart.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 25, 2023 03:14 PM (wxgaw)

Still one of my absolute favorites. It's perfect. The hubris of management and bureaucracy, mixed with the good and bad of individuals at the bottom of the org chart.

Ten years later ? Sasabowski is working in maintenance at Lucas. Boy Browning is well on his way to dying drunk. Patton is buried. Churchill is voted out. A tremendous flick. Even better than Prometheus.

Posted by: Simple Folks at October 25, 2023 03:20 PM (r/uUB)

272 Didn't the (R)s even let Nancy keep her corner office?
Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (RDD2k)

it was a secret hideaway office so even better.
Posted by: Oldcat at O

Til the lil queer in the bow tie was mad the donks went back on their promise to save is fren McCarthy. Then he stormed down the hall throwing her and Steiny Hoyer out.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (CIS44)

273 Bitburger is good beer. Surprising it hasn't caught on more in the States.
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One of my favorites.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (PGK1w)

274 I assume she will secure another election and then retire shortly into next term and have her nephew appoint her daughter to the seat.

That's a possibility, as long as the daughter doesn't live in Nancy's district.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (Bd6X8)

275 Gaetz found a hill to die on.

Kind of amusing how many here aren't happy seeing this in action.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (KbCG3)

276 Shall I vote harder?

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You’re not getting it buddy

We can no longer afford to vote harder

We must vote hardererer

Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (VTu1l)

277 Goodness, this is Biblical!

"New US House Speaker Rep. Mike Johnson visited Israel in a 2020 trip sponsored by 12Tribe Films Foundation, which is run by a settler activist, Haaretz reports.

During the trip, the evangelical Christian lawmaker met with leaders of the Kohelet Policy Forum, which helped draft the legislation for the judicial overhaul.

He also visited the Temple Mount with Yehudah Glick, a former Likud MK who backs Jewish prayer at the flashpoint site,"

Posted by: runner at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (hht4k)

278 >>226 This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:
https://is.gd/2nTFHm
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

She looks like a sexed up divorcee that's been forced to waitress in the beer garden. I wouldn't mind having inspect my bratwurst...with her mouth.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (l10hq)

279 Bitburger is good beer. Surprising it hasn't caught on more in the States.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 25, 2023 03:17 PM (iFTx/)

"Bitte ein Bit!"

Local brew in my AO was also really good; Heylands.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Lookin' for me wooden leg at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (xPJvm)

280 275 Gaetz found a hill to die on.

Kind of amusing how many here aren't happy seeing this in action.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (KbCG3)

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It's more important for the House to run well than for the GOP leadership to follow through on its promises.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (GBKbO)

281 "I am not altogether on anybody’s side, because nobody is altogether on my side, if you understand me: nobody cares for the woods as I care for them, not even Elves nowadays."
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (GYIa4)

I could definitely go for giant walking trees filling both houses with Potomac river water.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (eoQWY)

282 This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:
https://is.gd/2nTFHm
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

I feel better now. Especially in my pants

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (NtVYv)

283 Nuh-uh! It's just that nothing good ever happens. We are born into pain, and they we die.
Posted by: United Eeyore Front at October 25, 2023 03:20 PM (I/Qkd)

Yes but what of the friends we make along the way? Gotcha there

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (5C4od)

284 Every Republican gets to be Speaker for 15 minutes.
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And gets a free can of Campbell's soup!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 25, 2023 03:22 PM (krqg6)

285 The house drama is over. Let's do the senate now. I want the turtle gone. Cronyn and Thune can suck a BOD also. At this point we have nothing to lose. Let's start sacking these assholes.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops

Gonna have to get a number of MAGA or MAGA-curious senators in first to be able to take the majority in the caucus.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:22 PM (CIS44)

286 214 Fen

I recall reading that the tennis ball incident actually happened. Not a Shakespearean invention.

Shakespeare usually used actual events when he wrote his history plays, but just as a starting point. He also used purported "actual events" which he'd found in dubious source material.

Posted by: mnw at October 25, 2023 03:22 PM (NLIak)

287 Oh no, we're going to temporarily inconvenience the people who locked down the country and destroyed private businesses that took lifetimes to build.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:13 PM

I'm open to your better idea for what us normies should do. Shall I vote harder?

Posted by: Moron Analyst

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I didn't think it was subtle, but see also:

233: Then shut it down again.

247: Throw the speaker out every other month and spend a month electing a new one. Sounds good to me.

Posted by: BruceWayne
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BRUCEWAYNE 2024

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I'm *extremely* pro-gridlock.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:23 PM (RDD2k)

288 285 The house drama is over. Let's do the senate now. I want the turtle gone. Cronyn and Thune can suck a BOD also. At this point we have nothing to lose. Let's start sacking these assholes.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops

Gonna have to get a number of MAGA or MAGA-curious senators in first to be able to take the majority in the caucus.
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:22 PM (CIS44)

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I remember the hints of drama around the last leadership vote, and I suspect that at least 1/3 of the Senate GOP caucus voted against McConnell.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:23 PM (GBKbO)

289 Shall I vote harder?

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You’re not getting it buddy

We can no longer afford to vote harder

We must vote hardererer

Like really, really mash the button hard or vote from the rooftops hard?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at October 25, 2023 03:23 PM (Bd6X8)

290 280 275 Gaetz found a hill to die on.

Kind of amusing how many here aren't happy seeing this in action.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (KbCG3)

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It's more important for the House to run well than for the GOP leadership to follow through on its promises.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (GBKbO)

We must respect the process. We'll get'em next time!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 25, 2023 03:23 PM (KbCG3)

291 The Democrat governors of those states will schedule the special race to replace them as far into the future as the law will permit. Maybe they can delay it until the regular 2024 elections. I dunno.

So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now.

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GOP is like Palestinians. Never missing and opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Posted by: Montec at October 25, 2023 03:23 PM (P5BwU)

292 I’d be more supportive of Gaetz if I could just get that mental image of him wearing a pink tuxedo out of my head

Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at October 25, 2023 03:23 PM (VTu1l)

293 Gonna have to get a number of MAGA or MAGA-curious senators in first to be able to take the majority in the caucus.

And you know damn well that there current strategic priority is how to contain the more conservative GOP House.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 03:23 PM (I/Qkd)

294 221 yeah that's odd too. I assume she's staying for the graft and Stock Tips.
Posted by: ace at October 25, 2023 03:00 PM (KRtlO)

My guess is, Pelousy will retire as soon as whoever runs her operation has an acceptable replacement available. I suspect her team doesn't want other factions to have the upper hand on filling the seat.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Supposedly Nanzi wants her daughter to succeed her in the House seat but right now, the most likely winner is the Pedo State Senator Scott Weiner from California representing a lot of Pelosi's district. He already has announced his interest in her seat and is term limited as state senator anyway soon.

Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (TKiGG)

295 Til the lil queer in the bow tie was mad the donks went back on their promise to save is fren McCarthy. Then he stormed down the hall throwing her and Steiny Hoyer out.
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (CIS44)

Yeah even that dude was man enough to eject the Donks, unlike McCarthy. Which showed how his actions weren't even approved by the other squishes.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (eoQWY)

296 The only good Beer is Root Beer.

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I recently discovered ginger beer and liked it a whole lot.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (RDD2k)

297 I could definitely go for giant walking trees filling both houses with Potomac river water.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (eoQWY)

Second breakfasted!

Posted by: pookysgirl wonders what the mosquitoes eat when they can't have hobbits at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (dtlDP)

298 >>The house drama is over. Let's do the senate now. I want the turtle gone. Cronyn and Thune can suck a BOD also. At this point we have nothing to lose. Let's start sacking these assholes.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops

This sounds almost like defunding the FIB. You are unAmerican - Chuck Grassley

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (l10hq)

299 I’d be more supportive of Gaetz if I could just get that mental image of him wearing a pink tuxedo out of my head
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at October 25, 2023 03:23 PM (VTu1l)

Prom Night? It was the style at the time.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (aD39U)

300 It's more important for the House to run well than for the GOP leadership to follow through on its promises.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (GBKbO)

You know who else made things run well while not following through on promises?

Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (dGCAG)

301 In 2025 we'll have Biden, speaker Jeffries and Majority leader Shumer.

Good times ahead.

Posted by: Montec at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (P5BwU)

302 And you know damn well that there current strategic priority is how to contain the more conservative GOP House.

their, not there.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (I/Qkd)

303 Had to read the post a couple of times for the pleasure.
Then sent it out to the world.

McCarthy, what a POS.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 25, 2023 03:25 PM (mRaXM)

304 Jon Stewart was cancelled at Apple TV.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 25, 2023 03:25 PM (44ww/)

305 Shakespeare usually used actual events when he wrote his history plays, but just as a starting point. He also used purported "actual events" which he'd found in dubious source material.

yeah I'm still pissed about that

Posted by: Richard III at October 25, 2023 03:25 PM (25k9m)

306 I remember the hints of drama around the last leadership vote, and I suspect that at least 1/3 of the Senate GOP caucus voted against McConnell.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:23 PM (GBKbO)

Ya I think it was around that. Get enough that the squishes in the middle like Lankford see which way the wind is blowing and turn against the turtle/cornyn/thune wing. The problem is Im pretty sure Katie Britt is with them and if that dude from PA gets in this time he def is with them.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:26 PM (CIS44)

307 At least this Octoberfest blonde looks happy:

https://tinyurl.com/2htberkj

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 25, 2023 03:26 PM (RSbhh)

308 In 2025 we'll have Biden, speaker Jeffries and Majority leader Shumer.

Good times ahead.
Posted by: Montec at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (P5BwU)

Down the tracks, buddy, not across.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 25, 2023 03:26 PM (aD39U)

309 You know who else made things run well while not following through on promises?
Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (dGCAG)

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Every elected politician ever?

Posted by: Montec at October 25, 2023 03:26 PM (P5BwU)

310 It's more important for the House to run well than for the GOP leadership to follow through on its promises.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Some of the nics here most likely work for recipients of govt cheese--directly as a staffer or indirectly as a contractor and that paycheck will affect how they view government spending or the lack thereof. Some are in the invade the world, invite the world and want us funding Ukraine etc., and others are Democrats (wittingly or unwittingly).

Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:27 PM (TKiGG)

311 They don't think that way. They don't trust other countries. Like Biden, they're on the take and they don't give a damn.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

Slow to respond, but this is deeper than biden.
Bush was big on China cooperation and having them take over our role in "policing" the Pacific.
I think the last president who saw the world as hostile was Reagan. Even Trump came up short on this.

but yes, the incompetence is only exceeded by the corruption.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at October 25, 2023 03:27 PM (91TBR)

312 Up until the last bridge at Arnhem the allies did liberate a bit of Holland

Posted by: Skip at October 25, 2023 03:27 PM (fwDg9)

313 At least this Octoberfest blonde looks happy:

https://tinyurl.com/2htberkj
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 25, 2023 03:26 PM (RSbhh)
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She does. Nice.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:27 PM (ELpxa)

314 This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:
https://is.gd/2nTFHm

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

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"Anyway, the thing is, what I really mean
Your's are the lightest eyes I've ever seen."

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 25, 2023 03:27 PM (g0XAo)

315 Mitch's vapor locked face should be on dozens of dox trucks circling every burb in KY. 7x24.

IS THIS THE PERSON YOU WANT IN CONTROL OF THE US SENATE?

Play dirty with these cocksuckers.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 25, 2023 03:27 PM (l10hq)

316 Posted by: mnw at October 25, 2023 03:22 PM (NLIak)

That would make sense. It's just not really a story about having manly balls.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 25, 2023 03:27 PM (RSbhh)

317 Supposedly Nanzi wants her daughter to succeed her in the House seat but right now, the most likely winner is the Pedo State Senator Scott Weiner from California representing a lot of Pelosi's district. He already has announced his interest in her seat and is term limited as state senator anyway soon.
Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:24 PM (TKiGG)

Someone upstream said the best way for her to do that is win her next election, but I'm not sure how they go about replacing a congresscritter that resigns or dies. I think states handle those things differently.

Special elections, either leaving the seat vacant, or appointing someone temporarily.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 03:28 PM (dGCAG)

318 Imagine if we had 50 representatives that were willing to represent their constituents the way Gaetz and that hick Auburn coach are willing to do.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:28 PM (RDD2k)

319 The problem is that "our" party's leadership is against us as much as the other party is as a whole. Winning with the current leadership is of limited value, at best.

This is first and foremost an effort to change the GOP, and it's part of an effort that's been going on since at least Taft vs. Eisenhower.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:12 PM (GBKbO)

I concur. I am wholly in favor of the ouster of McCarthy.

I want the voters in every district to have real votes on the record. Real issues. Not pretend bullshit so that the same snakes return to DC every year to fatten up more. This episode was that.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 25, 2023 03:29 PM (GYIa4)

320 "Anyway, the thing is, what I really mean
Your's are the lightest eyes I've ever seen."

I actually did notice her eyes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 25, 2023 03:29 PM (RSbhh)

321 This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:
https://is.gd/2nTFHm

DA-Y-UUUM

Posted by: Montec at October 25, 2023 03:29 PM (P5BwU)

322 275 Gaetz found a hill to die on.

Kind of amusing how many here aren't happy seeing this in action.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 25, 2023 03:21 PM (KbCG3)

I'm sure happy about it. And for all the scorn and condemnation poured on Gaetz's head, it's worth pointing that Gaetz is smarter than McCarthy, and beat him at his own game.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 25, 2023 03:29 PM (i9ffA)

323 Gaetz naysayers say he’s a grifter based on them saying he’s a grifter.

Posted by: Drive by at October 25, 2023 03:30 PM (MNhXM)

324 Every elected politician ever?
Posted by: Montec at October 25, 2023 03:26 PM (P5BwU)

Most of them couldn't run a coin operated washing machine well.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 03:30 PM (dGCAG)

325 A doomed and failed plan is better than no plan at all. Heh.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at October 25, 2023 03:18 PM (V8he0)

Patton had a plan, it was to engage the enemy, out flank him and use mobility and firepower to both pull him out of formation and defeat him in detail.
Patton knew John S Mosby when he was a cadet and learned a lot from him.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 25, 2023 03:30 PM (xhaym)

326 Prom Night? It was the style at the time.

********

Even worse than that, it was cosplay to see the Barbie movie

Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at October 25, 2023 03:30 PM (VTu1l)

327 And when we lose and the Democrats get control of everything, they say "Boy, this showed Mitch McConnell, didn't it?

Posted by: Blago at October 25, 2023 02:55 PM (wMRY

Get it through that fucking thick head of yours. the turtle plays for the same side as schumer. It doesn't matter if he is there or not. The end result is the same damned thing.

Posted by: Outside of Life at October 25, 2023 03:30 PM (89Sog)

328 323 Gaetz naysayers say he’s a grifter based on them saying he’s a grifter.
Posted by: Drive by at October 25, 2023 03:30 PM (MNhXM)

=========

1) I'm glad Gaetz did what he did, and I've always been glad since he did it.

2) I assume Gaetz is a grifter because he is in Congress.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:30 PM (GBKbO)

329 290 280 275 Gaetz found a hill to die on.

https://is.gd/eJ9Et1

Posted by: Braenyard at October 25, 2023 03:31 PM (mRaXM)

330 >> And when we lose and the Democrats get control of everything, they say "Boy, this showed Mitch McConnell, didn't it?

McConnel didn't challenge for Leadership in a tied Senate. He gave it over.

Fuck McConnel. I hope his next System Reset kills him.

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:31 PM (VdpRO)

331 Up until the last bridge at Arnhem the allies did liberate a bit of Holland
Posted by: Skip at October 25, 2023 03:27 PM (fwDg9)

That's not worth destroying a Paratroop division and a Polish para Brigade over.

Someone should have looked over the plans carefully when Monty of all people backed a bold, fast moving plan rather than his usual safe overkill strategy. Then not spotting the SS Panzer division in the outskirts of the town was just icing on the crap cake.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:32 PM (eoQWY)

332 Shocked at the number of "This isn't the hill to die on" folks here.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:32 PM (CIS44)

333 Some of the nics here most likely work for recipients of govt cheese--

Whig - I do not think that. I'll argue that to the end. Not here.

Yes, you've got tons of folks that were either ex-mil, ex-gov, or big-corp including non-profs like various religious groups. And a ton of various very, very active folks living of pensions and such from a decade long gone. That's part of it.

But there is another part of it. A very loud, stiff necked, wedded to the Cold War component. That simply can not let the old way of things go.

Posted by: Simple Folks at October 25, 2023 03:32 PM (r/uUB)

334 330 McConnel didn't challenge for Leadership in a tied Senate. He gave it over.

Fuck McConnel. I hope his next System Reset kills him.
Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:31 PM (VdpRO)

=======

But we have to accept current Senate leadership without question because to fight it would be to weaken the party that is run by people who willingly and regularly sell us out.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:32 PM (GBKbO)

335 Well, if you live in a state like PA, offering to show up and help ballot counters in Philly, along with 99,999 of your friends all carrying perfectly legal firearms, could do something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:19 PM

Good...we need to make more of you domestic terrorists convicted felons, so we can take away your gun and voting rights (and scare away the normies from your radical, un-modern-American ideology).

Posted by: FBI at October 25, 2023 03:32 PM (JCZqz)

336 The Guardian wants the Jews to stop doing this.

Guardian Australia
@GuardianAus
Israel must stop weaponising the Holocaust

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Yeah, dude, that was like a thousand years ago!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 25, 2023 03:32 PM (FVME7)

337 No. That's the whig and other's idea that "we lost one". It's all about the totals, right ?

Posted by: Simple Folks
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I have consistently held the opposite here. I was amused by McCarthy losing his job and actually having to account for his failure to keep promises.

Frankly YD and the actions of the GOP since 2020 have convinced me that the GOP is a dead party walking. Simply put, the GOP critters in DC have put their own interests above that of their constituents and deserve whatever beclowning occurs. Perhaps a miracle will occur and they become agents of righteousness but based on their track record; I doubt it.

Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:33 PM (TKiGG)

338 When Democrats get control of everything how will we be able to tell?

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:33 PM (RDD2k)

339 and that paycheck will affect how they view government spending or the lack thereof.

***********

I work for a federal contractor but I can’t fathom selling my soul out like that, I don’t know how anyone who does can even sleep at night

Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at October 25, 2023 03:33 PM (VTu1l)

340 Fuck McConnel. I hope his next System Reset kills him.
Posted by: garrett a

Hopefully he gets a bad patch and overheats to failure on camera.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:33 PM (CIS44)

341 I had a blue crushed velvet tux for jr-sr, with a matching bowler hat.

I have a photo, but I pray no one else does.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 25, 2023 03:33 PM (aD39U)

342
Mmm, tanks don't do well in wet plowed fields.
Posted by: Pudinhead at October 25, 2023 03:16 PM (PGK1w)

Nyet, Russian tanks stronk, like bull. Defeat wet plowed fields with ease.

Posted by: Russian Army, circa 2022 at October 25, 2023 03:33 PM (n+4am)

343 332 Shocked at the number of "This isn't the hill to die on" folks here.
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:32 PM (CIS44)

========

I'm one of them!

This is the hill to point at the GOPe and laugh at their incompetence. It entertains me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:33 PM (GBKbO)

344 330-here,here

Posted by: DOYLE at October 25, 2023 03:34 PM (Z8Yh2)

345 You would think given the sad state of Democratic politicians
and the anger director toward them, that the Republicans will win both the Senate and the house in 2024.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 25, 2023 03:34 PM (TGPs7)

346 I did not understand the pearl clutching throughout this process. Especially when it took 15 rounds to vote in McCarthy the first time. The media ( the Left /Democrats) liked flaming the meme fire that the House GOP was in chaos. I thought it was just NOP for politics.

Posted by: Drive by at October 25, 2023 03:34 PM (MNhXM)

347 >>> https://tinyurl.com/2htberkj

Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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More than least

Posted by: Braenyard at October 25, 2023 03:34 PM (mRaXM)

348 Frankly YD and the actions of the GOP since 2020 have convinced me that the GOP is a dead party walking. Simply put, the GOP critters in DC have put their own interests above that of their constituents and deserve whatever beclowning occurs. Perhaps a miracle will occur and they become agents of righteousness but based on their track record; I doubt it.
Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:33 PM (TKiGG)
++++
Fear is the potential benefit. If they do what they don't want because otherwise they'll be out on their asses, humiliated in front of the country and forced into a circus, then I'll take it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:34 PM (ELpxa)

349 But there is another part of it. A very loud, stiff necked, wedded to the Cold War component. That simply can not let the old way of things go.

-------------

I definitely think there are people who are more trusting of institutions than others. I think many of those people are pretty conservative, but part of their own conservativeness is they have more faith in certain institutions - unfortuately, that is military and government.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 03:34 PM (sX1BW)

350
When my dog takes a crap, it has more impact on the world than reshuffling GOP leadership. Nothing that Party does matters. At all. They are the junior partners in the Uniparty's PR firm called Congress. None of the elected Dems even matter much, let alone *those* guys. It's just a shell game.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 25, 2023 03:34 PM (0FoWg)

351 1) I'm glad Gaetz did what he did, and I've always been glad since he did it.

2) I assume Gaetz is a grifter because he is in Congress.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:30 PM (GBKbO)

Look to be a grifter you have to be in power, and use it. The GOPe's problem is they are content with scraps and yield the grift to the Dems anyway.

And I support any guy who resents being lied to and gets even for it. Punish people for screwups.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:35 PM (eoQWY)

352 @GuardianAus

I read that as @GuardianAnus.

Posted by: spindrift at October 25, 2023 03:35 PM (AUkrG)

353 328 TJM: Gaetz’ daddy is very rich and he always wins FL1 by very big margins. He doesn’t need the GOPe.

Posted by: EveR at October 25, 2023 03:35 PM (LdQWo)

354 So, McCarthy is out then?

Posted by: Average Idiot Voter at October 25, 2023 03:35 PM (R/m4+)

355 McConnel didn't challenge for Leadership in a tied Senate. He gave it over.

Fuck McConnel. I hope his next System Reset kills him.
Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:31 PM (VdpRO)

But, they say, Mitch the Glitch is our only hope. The Democrat governor would appoint his replacement, and then the state of Kentucky will turn into Massachusetts of the Great Smokeys.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 03:35 PM (dGCAG)

356 "Shocked at the number of "This isn't the hill to die on" folks here."

Battered conservative syndrome is a real thing.

Posted by: Outside of Life at October 25, 2023 03:35 PM (89Sog)

357 Hmmmm. Sounds like man of many handles is simply--- back-again.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 25, 2023 03:35 PM (RSbhh)

358 31
With Johnson being elected unanimously I can only hope Turtle has a fucking stroke and dies on camera so I can watch his cripped body twitch violently.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 25, 2023 02:48 PM (l10hq)
........

Bonus.

Posted by: wth at October 25, 2023 03:36 PM (v0R5T)

359 You would think given the sad state of Democratic politicians
and the anger director toward them, that the Republicans will win both the Senate and the house in 2024.
Posted by: Mister Ghost a

Thats where we come in
-RNC and Turtle clutching the purse strings

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:36 PM (CIS44)

360 So, McCarthy is out then?
Posted by: Average Idiot Voter at October 25, 2023 03:35 PM (R/m4+)

Only for certain values of "out."

Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 03:36 PM (dGCAG)

361 Adam Schiff
@RepAdamSchiff
You might be Googling who Mike Johnson is this morning.
Let me make it simple:
Johnson is a hard-right, pro-Trump, leading election denier in the House.
Sadly, this is what passes for Speaker material in the Republican conference.

-
Sold!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 25, 2023 03:36 PM (FVME7)

362 I had a blue crushed velvet tux for jr-sr, with a matching bowler hat.

I have a photo, but I pray no one else does.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 25, 2023 03:33 PM (aD39U)

You must have looked a proper Droog

Posted by: Kindltot at October 25, 2023 03:36 PM (xhaym)

363 The oldest comic book shops in Los Angeles are closing their doors for good, blaming the effects of coronavirus lockdowns and comic book giants Marvel and DC for radically changing delivery methods and publication times.

In a Facebook post, both Geoffrey’s Comics and Hi-De-Ho Comics, which opened in 1977, said that the shops have come to the end of the road, Bounding Into Comics reported.

“Geoffrey’s Comics and Hi De Ho Comics opened in 1977. We were literally the first comic book stores in Los Angeles. But now, sadly, Geoffrey’s and Hi-De-Ho Comics must close their doors December 31, 2023,” the shop owner said.

The owner blamed the situation in part on the COVID shutdowns enforced by the left-wing city government.

Posted by: SMOD at October 25, 2023 03:36 PM (RHGPo)

364 This busty blonde is too busy enjoying Oktoberfest to notice the drama emanating from the House:
https://is.gd/2nTFHm
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:15 PM (ELpxa)
.......

Um, hon? I'm gonna need a sammich with that beer.

Posted by: wth at October 25, 2023 03:37 PM (v0R5T)

365 345 You would think given the sad state of Democratic politicians
and the anger director toward them, that the Republicans will win both the Senate and the house in 2024.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 25, 2023 03:34 PM (TGPs7)

=======

I find it difficult to believe that the GOP won't increase its majority in the House in 2024, especially with Biden's approval numbers.

The Senate is more prone to captured cities counting until the right results because they're statewide races, but it's within the realm of possibility for the GOP to gain 3 seats or so.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some more Best Pictures at October 25, 2023 03:37 PM (GBKbO)

366 Yes, you've got tons of folks that were either ex-mil, ex-gov, or big-corp including non-profs like various religious groups. And a ton of various very, very active folks living of pensions and such from a decade long gone. That's part of it.

But there is another part of it. A very loud, stiff necked, wedded to the Cold War component. That simply can not let the old way of things go.
Posted by: Simple Folks
----------
There are congressional staffers here and quite a few have alluded to lobbying activities over the years. Simply put, there is no unpolluted well of information around and I have been around on boards since Usenet.

Overtime, you develop a certain 'smell' attached to people with an interest--the AMD/Intel fanboy crap in the 90's was a non political example. But since 9/11, a lot of influence directing goes on which you don't see unless you got to assorted websites to get what message they are pushing today.

Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:37 PM (TKiGG)

367 345 You would think given the sad state of Democratic politicians
and the anger director toward them, that the Republicans will win both the Senate and the house in 2024.

Posted by: Mister Ghost
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With McCarthy gone the House has a much better chance of winning.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 25, 2023 03:37 PM (mRaXM)

368 You must have looked a proper Droog
Posted by: Kindltot at October 25, 2023 03:36 PM (xhaym)

Alas, no codpiece.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 25, 2023 03:37 PM (aD39U)

369 @RepAdamSchiff
You might be Googling who Mike Johnson is this morning.
Let me make it simple:
Johnson is a hard-right, pro-Trump, leading election denier in the House.
Sadly, this is what passes for Speaker material in the Republican conference. ...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 25, 2023 03:36 PM (FVME7)
++++
This sounds pretty good.

Too bad Schiff is an established liar.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 25, 2023 03:37 PM (ELpxa)

370 >> So, McCarthy is out then?

He'll be applying for the job to scrape out Liz Cheney's flap-valve before the year is out.

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:37 PM (VdpRO)

371 345 You would think given the sad state of Democratic politicians
and the anger director toward them, that the Republicans will win both the Senate and the house in 2024.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 25, 2023 03:34 PM (TGPs7)

___

Dems vote for Dems. Does't matter how angry they may be at their leaders, they never abandon them. It's why they always win.

Posted by: Montec at October 25, 2023 03:37 PM (P5BwU)

372 Adam Schiff
@RepAdamSchiff
You might be Googling who Mike Johnson is this morning.
Let me make it simple:
Johnson is a hard-right, pro-Trump, leading election denier in the House.
Sadly, this is what passes for Speaker material in the Republican conference.

-
Sold!

--------------

Thanks for saving me a google. My only hope is Johnson is 1% as bad as Schiff thinks he is.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 25, 2023 03:37 PM (sX1BW)

373 Expect Abortion bill say next october. Lindsey (I have no woman) Graham will be involved as usual.

Posted by: DOYLE at October 25, 2023 03:38 PM (Z8Yh2)

374 I definitely think there are people who are more trusting of institutions than others.

Hence, Back the Blue. Hence, any bumper sticker mantra. Because nothing is that simple anymore.

Posted by: Simple Folks at October 25, 2023 03:38 PM (r/uUB)

375 @RepAdamSchiff
You might be Googling who Mike Johnson is this morning.
Let me make it simple:
Johnson is a hard-right, pro-Trump, leading election denier in the House.
Sadly, this is what passes for Speaker material in the Republican conference.

--

Did he shake a fence on January 6th?

Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:38 PM (RDD2k)

376 I'm sure happy about it. And for all the scorn and condemnation poured on Gaetz's head, it's worth pointing that Gaetz is smarter than McCarthy, and beat him at his own game.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 25, 2023 03:29 PM (i9ffA)

It's not over, but as of now, Gaetz's Gambit is paying off.

Posted by: observer at October 25, 2023 03:39 PM (9u+2h)

377 338 When Democrats get control of everything how will we be able to tell?
Posted by: Moron Robbie is raising arrows at October 25, 2023 03:33 PM

I assume an early indicator would be they start dropping the mask of respectable moderation during public speeches, and, when surprised by the blowback from the public, scramble to walk it back?

Press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said she misheard a question during Monday’s White House press briefing that resulted in viral criticism from all sides after she appeared to downplay a rise in antisemitism and quickly pivoted to condemning anti-Muslim attacks.

Oh....

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 25, 2023 03:40 PM (JCZqz)

378 Dems didnt throw out schiff for russia lies. GOP throwing out Santos because sacred honor compels them.

Posted by: DOYLE at October 25, 2023 03:40 PM (Z8Yh2)

379 2) I assume Gaetz is a grifter because he is in Congress.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching
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He's worth $40mil so he must be grifting for power.
So far so good.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 25, 2023 03:40 PM (mRaXM)

380 375 @RepAdamSchiff
You might be Googling who Mike Johnson is this morning.
Let me make it simple:
Johnson is a hard-right, pro-Trump, leading election denier in the House.
Sadly, this is what passes for Speaker material in the Republican conference.

Good then maybe he will stroll on over and beat your brains into the dirt just to say hello.

Posted by: observer at October 25, 2023 03:40 PM (9u+2h)

381 328 323 Gaetz naysayers say he’s a grifter based on them saying he’s a grifter.
Posted by: Drive by at October 25, 2023 03:30 PM (MNhXM)

=========

1) I'm glad Gaetz did what he did, and I've always been glad since he did it.

2) I assume Gaetz is a grifter because he is in Congress.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Gaetz got burned by the Deep State pushing their sex issue and McCarthy in part was responsible for continuing the Ethics investigation after the Florida allegations collapsed in court due to an ex FBI agent in a law firm trying to extort money over it.

Supposedly, rumor has it that Gaetz intends to run for the open Governor's race in FL because DeSantis is term limited in 2026. So it would make sense why he did not care about the long term consequences in the House of ousting McCarthy.

As the original TJM said, Let Ambition Check Ambition.

Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:41 PM (TKiGG)

382 @RepAdamSchiff
You might be Googling who Mike Johnson is this morning.
Let me make it simple:
Johnson is a hard-right, pro-Trump, leading election denier in the House.
Sadly, this is what passes for Speaker material in the Republican conference.

Good then maybe he will stroll on over and beat your brains into the dirt just to say hello.
Posted by: observer

Maybe he will institute a "your eyes can only stick out 'yay' far" to speak and vote in the house rule. Take care of him and donkey chompers in one go.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:41 PM (CIS44)

383 Nood. I think it's about tornadoes or something.

Posted by: spindrift at October 25, 2023 03:42 PM (AUkrG)

384 I'm sure happy about it. And for all the scorn and condemnation poured on Gaetz's head, it's worth pointing that Gaetz is smarter than McCarthy, and beat him at his own game.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 25, 2023 03:29 PM (i9ffA)

It's not over, but as of now, Gaetz's Gambit is paying off.
Posted by: observer at October 25, 2023 03:39 PM (9u+2h)

It is over, and it paid off. Gaetz punishing McC is a win on its own, and getting a new speaker NOT from McC's inner circle completes the win.

If the new speaker screws up, that will be on him, not Gaetz.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:42 PM (eoQWY)

385 If the Pubbies want to win they should be in full agreement on moving illegals to Blue Shitholes as fast as they can get them there. NYC is whining cuz 126K illegals. Lets see what happens when that number is 1.2M. Dems have opened their own grave. It would be irresponsible of us not to fill it full with virtuous illegals.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 25, 2023 03:42 PM (PGK1w)

386 Overtime, you develop a certain 'smell' attached to people with an interest--the AMD/Intel fanboy crap in the 90's was a non political example. But since 9/11, a lot of influence directing goes on which you don't see unless you got to assorted websites to get what message they are pushing today.

Fair. FWIW - I do this for free, on my own time. Been bitching like this since Ruby Ridge, Waco, and 9/11. It's just the same old story, over and over again. Different players.

Posted by: Simple Folks at October 25, 2023 03:43 PM (r/uUB)

387 Maybe he will institute a "your eyes can only stick out 'yay' far" to speak and vote in the house rule. Take care of him and donkey chompers in one go.
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 25, 2023 03:41 PM (CIS44)

No senator with the Innsmouth Look.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 25, 2023 03:43 PM (eoQWY)

388 Adam Schiff
@RepAdamSchiff
You might be Googling who Mike Johnson is this morning.
Let me make it simple:
Johnson is a hard-right, pro-Trump, leading election denier in the House.
Sadly, this is what passes for Speaker material in the Republican conference.

-
Sold!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 25, 2023 03:36 PM (FVME7)

I haven't googled it, but as far as I know, unlike Schiff, Johnson hasn't killed any young black gay male prostitutes.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 25, 2023 03:43 PM (dGCAG)

389 With McCarthy gone the House has a much better chance of winning.
Posted by: Braenyard
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Probably true in a fair election. McCarthy used a lot of GOP money to stave off Trump affiliated candidates in a number of races in 2022 just like McConnell does routinely.

Posted by: whig at October 25, 2023 03:43 PM (TKiGG)

390 Greg Price
@greg_price11
Biden: "At the G20, we were able to hack down a proposal I had to build a railroad all the way from Riyadh, all the way through the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, Israel, up through Greece, and then across, not the railroad, pipeline across the Mediterranean up into Europe."

-
All I know for sure is that the Big Guy will get his 10%.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 25, 2023 03:43 PM (FVME7)

391 NOOD Soros

Posted by: garrett at October 25, 2023 03:44 PM (VdpRO)

392 You might be Googling who Mike Johnson is this morning.

No, but I was Googling Hugh.

Posted by: Mayo Pete at October 25, 2023 03:45 PM (v0R5T)

393 Pity the sign language interpreter.

https://tinyurl.com/35httafs

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 25, 2023 03:47 PM (FVME7)

394 It is over, and it paid off. Gaetz punishing McC is a win on its own, and getting a new speaker NOT from McC's inner circle completes the win.

If the new speaker screws up, that will be on him, not Gaetz.

Posted by: Oldcat
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McCarthy being outed as backstabbing AGAIN is a cherry on top.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 25, 2023 03:51 PM (mRaXM)

395 "So we're going to be in even worse shape in the House than we are now."

What happened to you?

• You are now 99.9% emotion - and non-existent/ detectable analysis/ research.

• It's literally been years now since you had any useful insights/ thoughts to offer - on a consistent basis.

• See blind squirrel...

Posted by: that guy at October 25, 2023 03:56 PM (h5Avx)

396 So let's hope he jumps in and gets going FAST. The clock is ticking and he WILL have to make a positive impression immediately.

I understand the whole thing about not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, but if we lose some nominally-R barnacles, that's all to the good in the long run.

Posted by: Andy_in_Colorado at October 25, 2023 03:56 PM (tBHkr)

397 Ace thinks we're in worse shape in the House with an actual conservative as Speaker? Because McCarthy will quit?

Biden isn't the only one with symptoms of dementia. Do I detect an antipathy for MAGA, and empathy for GOP Inc? /shrugs /laughs

Posted by: Born Free at October 25, 2023 04:52 PM (6kqgf)

398 A seat once held by McCarthy and then filled by a Democrat. To that I say SO WHAT? If he really is leaving, then nothing lost, nothing gained.

Posted by: Tracy at October 25, 2023 05:35 PM (8Cz4t)

399 Damn ace, you’re really getting the hang of this! Yesterday you found a way to use this speaker business to craft an impassioned case for Orange Man’s unique-to-him narcissism and now you’re implying it would have been best to not rock the boat and just keep hoping for the best with McCarthy!! My man! What’s you’re opinion on what constitutes a sandwich? Be ready for a challenge!

Posted by: Jonah at October 25, 2023 05:45 PM (utdSE)

400 I hope other Republican’s hold Johnson to the same standard that Gaetz held McCarthy. Regular order and a cut of at least 8% in discretionary spending.
If that does not happen before the current CR ends, Republicans should vote JOhnson out and demand Conservatives fix this. And if the Govt is shut down till Jan 2025 so be it.
I am sure Ace and others on this site will attest this is a winning strategy for keeping the house and Senate in 2024.

Posted by: CATO at October 25, 2023 08:09 PM (V5G72)

401 It's a win ... if you can't see that you are and idiot

Posted by: The Dark Lord at October 26, 2023 12:11 AM (DBAaD)

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