Woke "News" Propaganda Outlet MSNBC Loses One-Third of Its Audience Over Its Egregious Pro-Hamas Bias

The network isn't reporting how many Israeli citizens were murdered by the Hamas government in a war crime.

It will only "report" the combined death toll for "both sides."

Woke MSNBC loses 33% of primetime audience during coverage of the Israel Hamas war as it insists on publishing a joint death toll - while Fox and CNN see double-digit increases on viewing figures
The outlet's viewer figures were between October 7 and 10, which saw the outbreak of war between Israel and Hamas terrorists
By comparison, the shocking events saw a leap in Fox News's audience, up 42 percent, and in CNN's coverage, which saw a 17 percent rise in viewers
MSNBC has come under fire for its coverage of the atrocities in Israel, including for its insistence on publishing a joint Israel and Gaza death toll

Woke news broadcaster MSNBC lost 33 percent of its primetime viewers during its coverage of the Israel Hamas war.
The outlet's viewer figures were down 24 percent overall for the four days between October 7 and 10 which saw the outbreak of war between Israel and Hamas terrorists.
By comparison the shocking events saw a leap in Fox News's audience, up 42 percent, and in CNN's coverage, which saw a 17 percent rise in viewers.
'These numbers tell you a lot about MSNBC, which excels at Trump-era liberal therapy but can't match others during global historic events' Puck media reporter Dylan Byers wrote.

And Dylan Byers is a partisan liberal goon.

MSNBC has come under fire for its coverage of the atrocities in Israel with an an Israeli mother whose two sons were take hostage by Hamas exploding at MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell on Tuesday night when asked how she feels about Israel's counterstrikes in Gaza.
Renana Gomeh, whose two sons age 12 and 16 were kidnapped by Hamas, became visibly irritated when Mitchell asked her feelings on the attacks in Gaza.
'I can't be sympathetic anymore. I can't be sympathetic to animal human beings -- well, they're not really human beings -- who came into my house, broke everything,' said Gomeh.
'Stole everything, took my children from their bedrooms and took them to the Gaza Strip.'
By contrast Fox News reporter Trey Yingst has won praise for his fearless coverage of the shocking scenes unfolding in the Middle East.

Meanwhile, Vivek Ramaswamy defended the Hamas terrorist simps on campuses, and said that "money" is the reason behind the GOP's support of Israel.

Vivek Ramaswamy

@VivekGRamaswamy

The Harvard student groups who co-signed the anti-Israel letter are simple fools. But it's not productive for companies to blacklist kids for being members of student groups that make dumb political statements on campus. Colleges are spaces for students to experiment with ideas & sometimes kids join clubs that endorse boneheadedly wrong ideas.

Are colleges places where students are allowed to experiment with ideas?

Or are they coerced and bullied into supporting ONE idea, woke identity Marxism?

And all of the people currently being blacklisted are themselves part of the censorship bloc.

I've been as vocal as anyone in criticizing left-wing cancel culture (see my first book "Woke, Inc."), but it's bad no matter who practices it.

Really? When the people who have been victims of leftist cancel culture for seven years get a little of their own back, it's "just as bad" as their oppressors oppressing them forever?

It wasn't great when people wearing Trump hats were fired from work. It wasn't great when college graduates couldn't get hired unless they signed oppressive "DEI" pledges. And it's not great now if companies refuse to hire kids who were part of student groups that once adopted the wrong view on Israel.

I think it was more about adopting the wrong view on murdering children and raping women.

This isn't a legal point, it's a cultural point. I say this as someone who vehemently disagrees with those Harvard student groups.

Sure, Vivek. "I find Bill Clinton's behavior totally indefensible but..."

Those calling for blacklisting students right now are responding from a place of understandable hurt, but I'm confident that in the fullness of time, they will agree with me on the wisdom of avoiding these cancel-culture tactics.

I agree that you are a liberal Tech Bro bitch.

Meanwhile, he also opined that GOPers supporting Israel are doing so due to "money." He did not specify who was giving them that money, but I think we can connect the breadcrumbs.

Move over, Ilhan Omar -- another politician wants to make the "all about the Benjamins" argument about Israel. Only this time, it's not a Democrat, but instead one of the Republican candidates for the presidential nomination. Vivek Ramaswamy appeared on Tucker Carlson's Twitter show yesterday to echo Tucker's view that America has no real interest in the genocidal attacks of Hamas on Israel, and should focus instead entirely on its own domestic security.
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Ramaswamy doubled down on that and insinuated -- as he claimed in the first debate -- that everyone's been bought off. And he did so while we still don't have a full accounting of American citizens potentially killed or captured in the conflict:

"The selective nature of ignoring certain other conflicts--even more importantly, ignoring the interests of the U.S. right here at home--is what irritates the heck out of me," Ramaswamy told Carlson.
"It is shameful. And I think that there are, frankly, financial and corrupting influences that lead them exactly to speak the way they do, that's just the hard truth," he added.
In case that was too subtle, Ramaswamy made it more plain in the conversation:

Ramaswamy told Carlson that he is open to providing "limited military support" for Israel by sending weapons but slammed his opponents for calling for a stronger military response against Iran and "refus[ing] to take the option of ground troops off the table."

Just to lay my cards on the table so that I am not merely insinuating my position:

I'm done with the isolationist/pacifist wing. I do agree, and have agreed for a while, that the neocons have got to go and that US foreign policy has to be re-oriented to be America First.

But people are taking this to extremes are are deploying all the tropes leftists used to use to shift blame from America to Russia, and from Islamic terrorists to Israel.

Clarification: When I say "extremes," I mean, specifically, "absolutes." We are going from a healthy injection of skepticism for the need of US intervention abroad, as well as a realization that the Regime is both evil and hopelessly incompetent, to a dogmatic, absolutist position of isolationism/hippie pacifism. It's the absolutism I oppose. It is not healthy for us to act like alcoholics and veer from one extreme to another. Do we have to quit booze one day and become convicted teetotalers swearing "not another drop!" and railing about the dangers of Demon Rum?

Can we just stop the problem drinking, instead?

Twenty years ago we (most of us, anyway) were far, far too bellicose and war-fevered and had much, much too much trust in the cadre of pampered incompetents in the Regime leadership class.

But now we're swinging around wildly to become absolute dogmatic isolationists?!

Can we not land on somewhere more sensible, without the silly absolutism? Can we please not veer wildly from one unhealthy, unwise extreme to its polar opposite extreme?

I agree that being excessively pro-war is bad.

But I want to compare the current isolationist/International Pacifist position on Russia:

1. We should not send US troops to Ukraine. (Obviously.)

and

2: We should not send arms to Ukraine. Because that will lead to sending troops to Ukraine, and that will start WWIII.

I have an intellectual problem with that because we've been sending arms to groups fighting Russia for 80 years and it hasn't provoked WWIII yet. And Russia and Putin have been arming and training terrorists for all that time, and we haven't nuked Moscow.

The US and Russia have been providing arms to each other's enemies for all this time, and we both seem to acknowledge it's fair game and not worth a nuclear war.

I just mean, I don't think this argument is strong. I'm not Joe Ukraine here. But to this argument I'd ask, why was there no nuclear war when we gave Afghanis Stinger missiles? We killed a LOT of Soviet troops, indirectly.

And they killed a LOT of US troops in Iraq.

So what's changed now? I know people are going to scream this isn't true but what's going on is that Russia is now being conceived by many as an aggrieved ally we're supposed to have sympathy for and thus support.

I get the resistance to "I Stand with Ukraine" and all that. But when did Russia actually become a trusted ally we need to defend and cover for?

It starts with wanting to repudiate the criminal US "intelligence" community and rotten Regime. That, I get.

But it ends up with people lecturing me about how I have to take Putin's perceived nationalist aspirations into account.

Why? Why do I have to do that? How many Americans has Russia, and Putin specifically, murdered by providing explosives and technical training to terrorists?

And now I have to fucking worry about Putin's fucking feelings?

Now, I just wanted to establish that before getting to the one that is my bridge too fucking far: The new demand from the isolationist semi-right that we must not support Israel too vigorously, even with mere rhetoric, because that too might start WWIII.

Now the new demands go as follows:

1. We must not send troops to Israel. Okay, seems prudent.

2. We must not send arms or financial support to Israel, because that slightly increases the risk that we might have to send troops to Israel. Um, again, as in the case of Russia, we've been sending arms and money to Israel to decades; why the sudden risk that we'll be sending US troops to defend Tel Aviv?

This doesn't seem likely to me. This seems like a made-up bit of propaganda.

Also note that while I already objected to this demand in the case of Russia, at least with Russia, there is a small but real chance that arming Ukraine could, really, lead to a nuclear exchange and maybe WWIII.

But arming Israel? How could that start WWIII, exactly? If Iran uses a bomb it will be against Israel, not us, and Iran would then be destroyed. What would then happen? Russia would nuke us just for... what? Why would they do that?

This seems a very fantastical scenario, and I do begin to wonder why people are pushing this extremely unlikely scenario with such vigor.

But it gets worse. Because now there's a third demand:

3. We must not even give strong rhetorical support to Israel because they'll take that as a greenlight to "go too far" and that, in turn, through some unlikely chain of events, could lead to the US getting nuked or something.

Okay, so now we're not even allowed to use strong language?

If we're literally making our foreign policy based on the idea of not putting ourselves at even a hypothetical risk, why not just go all the way with it and join Obama and Biden in supporting Iran? Why not just give them the bomb?

That would reduce our risk of getting into a nuclear exchange with Iran. It would reduce the risk from "vanishingly small" to "non-existent."

So if we're basing foreign policy based on nothing at all except minimizing any risk, no matter how small, to ourselves, then let's just cut out the fucking Middle Man and give the bomb to Iran.

Why not just straight-up ally with Hamas and Hezbollah? There is almost no risk that Israel will commit terrorism against us, even if we do that. But there is a sizeable risk of Hamas and Hezballah committing terrorism against us.

So if the only goal is minimizing risk to self, why fuck around? Let's just align with the terrorists and get ourselves put on the White List.

There has to be more going on that "just trying to minimize risk to ourselves."

I think that rubric is being used to cover some genuine hostility to Israel.

And to that I say: Then take the masks off. Why lie? If you don't like the Jews, just say so. Stop dancing around talking about some hard-to-conceive fake concerns about Iran nuking us.

I'm just at an end with this crap. I'm not going to be part of a movement that is just repeating the hard-left's propaganda points from six years ago. Those bullshit claims did not suddenly become true and right just because the Deep State is tyrannical and the Regime is corrupt.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:46 PM

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1 th

Posted by: I could have been first. at October 16, 2023 03:47 PM (ppBhU)

2 Wow. Quite the move!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 16, 2023 03:47 PM (N1DT3)

3 *Movie

I hate when my snark is messed up by a typo

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 16, 2023 03:47 PM (N1DT3)

4 Oh no!

Anyway...

Posted by: Duke Lowell at October 16, 2023 03:47 PM (u73oe)

5 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2023 03:48 PM (Zz0t1)

6 I'm honestly amazed that even 33% of the hard left viewers are turned off by this.

I though 10% was the max.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 16, 2023 03:48 PM (N1DT3)

7 MSNBC is owned by NBC Universal.

NBC Universal is owned by Comcast.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 16, 2023 03:48 PM (qPw5n)

8 The Harvard student groups who co-signed the anti-Israel letter are simple fools. But it's not productive for companies to blacklist kids for being members of student groups that make dumb political statements on campus. Colleges are spaces for students to experiment with ideas & sometimes kids join clubs that endorse boneheadedly wrong ideas.

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I'll accept this the second colleges stop fighting Christian organizations on campus.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:49 PM (LvTSG)

9 Average IQ of a 'palestinian' = 85

Higher than the average MSNBC viewer.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2023 03:49 PM (Zz0t1)

10 MSNBC lost 1/3 of their viewership?

So there were 60 people still able to be disturbed by what MSNBC said?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:49 PM (xcxpd)

11 Meanwhile, he also opined that GOPers supporting Israel are doing so due to "money." He did not specify who was giving them that money, but I think we can connect the breadcrumbs.

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*nods sagaciously*

The Amish run everything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:50 PM (LvTSG)

12 From previous thread

What is Rashida Tlaib's IQ?

It rivals her bra size.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 03:50 PM (paHRY)

13 If George Floyd was alive today, then Hamas would have never attacked Israel ..........

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 16, 2023 03:50 PM (/g6g8)

14 . I'm not going to be part of a movement that is just repeating the hard-left's propaganda points from six years ago.

The left are the true homophobes!

Posted by: The GOPe at October 16, 2023 03:50 PM (XqcwY)

15 Stopped to read the content.

Oh and Vivek screwed the pooch.

Posted by: Archer at October 16, 2023 03:50 PM (gmo/4)

16 Meanwhile, Vivek Ramaswamy defended the Hamas terrorist simps on campuses, and said that "money" is the reason behind the GOP's support of Israel.

It's those dastardly Zionist bankers again.

If I'm only pro-Israel because of the money, someone owes me a lot a money. Bankers? AIPAC? Someone cut me a check already.

Posted by: I have Paypal too! at October 16, 2023 03:50 PM (ppBhU)

17 So Ace is turning on Vivek?
Or is Vivek just a dumbass?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (xcxpd)

18 If Communist News Network is losing customers why wouldn't Marxist Socialists News Broadcast Company?

Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (fwDg9)

19 Ace, if you're looking for news, the LA governor's race is interesting fodder.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (LvTSG)

20 Vivek, your 15 min are up. Take that fat fuck Christie with you on the way out.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (GwxCX)

21 Comcast is woker than woke.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (7j0WC)

22 Gaza delenda est

Then nuke from orbit

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (paHRY)

23 The outlet's viewer figures were between October 7 and 10, which saw the outbreak of war between Israel and Hamas terrorists

By comparison, the shocking events saw a leap in Fox News's audience, up 42 percent, and in CNN's coverage, which saw a 17 percent rise in viewers
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So the viewers jumped from the hardest of hardcore propaganda outlets to slightly more believable propaganda outlets.

Is that a win? I'm not sure. Those people are apparently still in the TV news audience, which means they're still consuming outrageous lies.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (d04cU)

24 Vivek is dead wrong on this. No, college kids don't get to advocate for demonic ideas like raping babies and we should just shrug and say "oh well, it's just another crazy idea from college kids who are experimenting with crazy ideas."

Let's take this idea out of the political context. If someone published an article saying he admired Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer, and thought human flesh tasted great, are we gonna excuse it or think that it shouldn't affect his future job prospects??

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (iFTx/)

25 17 So Ace is turning on Vivek?
Or is Vivek just a dumbass?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (xcxpd)

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Vivek, like most people in politics, seems to be playing a part and isn't a very good actor when he has a new scene he has to improv.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (LvTSG)

26 I've been as vocal as anyone in criticizing left-wing cancel culture (see my first book "Woke, Inc."), but it's bad no matter who practices it.

Says someone who doesn't understand game theory.

Posted by: It's called a "taste of your own medicine." at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (ppBhU)

27 Honestly, I find a politician who is arguing against going all cancel culture on college students to be a less reprehensible thing than politicians talking about wiping a group of people off the face of the Earth.

Me personally, I happen to be against all forms of cancel culture.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (dGCAG)

28 26 I've been as vocal as anyone in criticizing left-wing cancel culture (see my first book "Woke, Inc."), but it's bad no matter who practices it.

Says someone who doesn't understand game theory.
Posted by: It's called a "taste of your own medicine." at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (ppBhU)

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"If we never practice it, they'll stop because of our virtue."
-Something said...10 years ago

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (LvTSG)

29 Now when you look at what Comcast owns...

In addition to the *NBC's:

USA Network, Syfy, Oxygen, Bravo, and E!
The film studio Universal Pictures
The VOD streaming service Peacock
Animation studios DreamWorks Animation
Illumination
Universal Animation Studios
Universal Destinations & Experiences.

As well as others.

Spend your money accordingly.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (qPw5n)

30 So Vivek has had his Allepo Moment?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (paHRY)

31 Its disturbing watching people deny a precursor to a modern-day Holocaust in real time.

What went wrong in your moral development that you are defending burning babies alive in their cribs?
Decapitating babies?
Shooting teenagers hiding in portable toilets?

Where in your moral universe did that become acceptable?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (rCzAN)

32 Are colleges places where students are allowed to experiment with ideas?

Or are they coerced and bullied into supporting ONE idea, woke identity Marxism?

And all of the people currently being blacklisted are themselves part of the censorship bloc.
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Yup. The first - a space to experiment and discuss ideas, even if they're bad - is the old ideal.

The second - a place to be shoehorned into total ideological conformity - is the current reality.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (d04cU)

33 spend the weekend parroting al Jazeera, get commensurate ratings.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (KM/q4)

34 >>>17 So Ace is turning on Vivek?

never was in favor of him. Always thought he was a slick huckster from the moment I saw him, and the moment he started pushing his own financial product to "fight wokeness."

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (KRtlO)

35 Ace is turning on Vivek?
Or is Vivek just a dumbass?

These are not necessarily mutually exclusive results.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (jjN0d)

36 Vivek, your 15 min are up. Take that fat fuck Christie with you on the way out.
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (GwxCX)

Vivek will need Crisco or ghee to get that fucking slob out the door.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (7j0WC)

37 Ace, option 3, Israel is fully capable of "dealing" with Hamas on their own and we cheer them on from here?

Plus we do not condemn their actions for getting rid of a group that has officially declared war on Israel?

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (DcKNO)

38 Honestly, I find a politician who is arguing against going all cancel culture on college students to be a less reprehensible thing than politicians talking about wiping a group of people off the face of the Earth.

Like Hamas?

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (GwxCX)

39 Really? When the people who have been victims of leftist cancel culture for seven years get a little of their own back, it's "just as bad" as their oppressors oppressing them forever?
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We're above that.
Not who we are.
Etc.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (d04cU)

40 I DO support Israel wasting Hamas. I will NOT support Israel if they fold to UN pressure, and let Hamas go.

If we reset the revenge cycle, I wonder who would start attacks first?

Posted by: DOYLE at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (Z8Yh2)

41 I understand what Vivek is saying, but it makes me think he's a child. Because that's the way I thought when I was a child. But now I'm been awake for the past 30 years and I wonder what Vivek was doing while that childish approach completely failed.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM (YQ4mh)

42 "I have an intellectual problem with that because we've been sending arms to groups fighting Russia for 80 years and it hasn't provoked WWIII yet."

Low bar there.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM (KSNKu)

43 They all eventually come around to the talking point "that's not who we are!" Every single one. You just have to wait long enough.

Posted by: Drc at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM (cq+R5)

44 >>>19 Ace, if you're looking for news, the LA governor's race is interesting fodder.

oh right! That was such good news! (I think... unless bad stuff has happened)

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM (KRtlO)

45 27 Honestly, I find a politician who is arguing against going all cancel culture on college students to be a less reprehensible thing than politicians talking about wiping a group of people off the face of the Earth.

Me personally, I happen to be against all forms of cancel culture.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (dGCAG)

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Not wanting to hire people who publicly put their name on an open letter declaring that Jewish babies burned alive had it coming, is not cancel culture.

Posted by: Ghost Pournelle at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM (Raony)

46 Vivek will need Crisco or ghee to get that fucking slob out the door.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM

And a block and tackle.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM (GwxCX)

47 Let's take this idea out of the political context. If someone published an article saying he admired Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer, and thought human flesh tasted great, are we gonna excuse it or think that it shouldn't affect his future job prospects??
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (iFTx/)

I'm not doing any hiring, so I don't care.

But if you run a company, you're welcome to ask the question during the interview, and make your decision based on the answer. I certainly have no problem with that whatsoever.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM (dGCAG)

48 Syfy became useless as an outlet for SciFi stuff

Posted by: blaster at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM (36PAm)

49 "Why not just straight-up ally with Hamas and Hezbollah? There is almost no risk that Israel will commit terrorism against us, even if we do that. But there is a sizeable risk of Hamas and Hezballah committing terrorism against us."

Umm, you realize that chanting "death to America" means they'd just take "our alliance" as one more way in to actually destroy us?

So, there'd never be a point of joining their side. About the best you could do is become Switzerland there. And then they'd still have to work to destroy us.

Posted by: Nova Local at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (exHjb)

50 I have an intellectual problem with that because we've been sending arms to groups fighting Russia for 80 years and it hasn't provoked WWIII yet. And Russia and Putin have been arming and training terrorists for all that time, and we haven't nuked Moscow.

When Trump was president the FNM floated a fake story that Russia was arming the Taliban and thereby killing Americans.

And they argued this was not only a sufficient reason for war...but it REQUIRED WAR.

In Ukraine we are arming the Uke obviously and we have some number of American mercs there. At one point the Russians mulled executing captured American/British mercs but eventually decided not to - but this could have led to war as well.

Posted by: The GOPe at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (XqcwY)

51 Well, Vivek was at least interesting to me, but while he understand the issues, he doesn't understand the fight.

These people want us dead. Not metaphorically, physically dead.

They don't have the power to do it right now (or the fortitude), but they want it. You don't fight with kids gloves with people who want you dead.

You use every tool that they have already used against you until they either die or give up and stop wanting you dead.

MAKE THEM BEG. Make them cry. Make them realize maybe politics shouldn't infuse every part of life.

They won't realize that (and, consequently stop wanting their opponents dead) unless they start feeling pain. MAKE IT HURT.

If Vivek doesn't get that, he's not fit to lead.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (N1DT3)

52 Today I put the first Transgender Salvation Army Brigade on Alert to free all American Hostages that voted for me and not save the Ultra MAGA Terrorist trapped in Israel.

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (/g6g8)

53 On Star Trek there is Kirk who is American, Chekhov who is Russian, Scotty who is Scottish, Uhura who is black, and Sulu who is Japanese, but there are no Arabs, in fact no Muslims. Why is that?

That's because it takes place in the future....

Posted by: Ciampino - The Time Machine Chronicles at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (qfLjt)

54 So Vivek Rammedasalami?

Posted by: wth at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (v0R5T)

55 Quote tweet: Dan Senor @dansenor
Tortured them first…raped them…mutilated and burned them. This was even worse than what we have come to define as terrorism. This invasion was conducted by a death cult.

John O'Sullivan @JohnOSullivanNR
In 1945 the Allies made Germans, esp. officials and Nazis, visit death & concentration camps to see their handiwork. Some went home & killed themselves. Israel & Western governments should invite West's Hamas supporters to see the evidence of atrocities they encourage & deny.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (krqg6)

56 I'm fine with the "mistakes were made approach" after we go all hammurabi and take their eyes

Posted by: Drc at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (cq+R5)

57 Can one of you smarties link the side-by-side audio of Vivek mimicking Obama almost word for word?

I think he's a Trojan horse. Or whatever thing that looks good but is ultimately a fake.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (DcKNO)

58 34 >>>17 So Ace is turning on Vivek?

never was in favor of him. Always thought he was a slick huckster from the moment I saw him, and the moment he started pushing his own financial product to "fight wokeness."
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (KRtlO)

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Listen, ace, I bought the Vivek branded woke-spray, and I haven't had a single woke encounter in days.

Days!

*cues up that number from Sweeney Todd describing the magic elixer being made of piss and ink*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (LvTSG)

59 As a liberal Jew, I condemn Netanyahu and the Likud Party. Hamas are the killers. Not the Palestinian people.

Israel is an apartheid nation and has been called the largest open air prison. Already, more Palestinians have been killed than in 2014 and there are reports that Israel is using white phosphorus,a war crime. Biden’s stand with Israel at all costs while ignoring its atrocities is definitely the wrong approach.

Absent Hamas, Gaza risks falling into anarchy at a time when so many will be at grave risk. Hamas is also part of the Muslim Brotherhood that has emphasized providing community services as part of its mission

did the Hasidim allow this to happen and/or was it Netanyahu’s way to keep power?

Posted by: Democrats On Substack at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (/BBNv)

60 >>>"I have an intellectual problem with that because we've been sending arms to groups fighting Russia for 80 years and it hasn't provoked WWIII yet."

Well, I meant to say, we've been providing arms to each other's enemies for all this time, and we both seem to acknowledge it's fair game.

I just mean, I don't think this argument is strong. I'm not Joe Ukraine here. But to this argument I'd ask, why was there no nuclear war when we gave Afghanis Stinger missiles? We killed a LOT of russian troops, indirectly.

And they killed a LOT of US troops in Iraq.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (KRtlO)

61 Not wanting to hire people who publicly put their name on an open letter declaring that Jewish babies burned alive had it coming, is not cancel culture.
Posted by: Ghost Pournelle at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM

This. I'd want to know if some new hire is in favor of Hamass. It goes to character.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (GwxCX)

62 So Ace is turning on Vivek?
Or is Vivek just a dumbass?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (xcxpd)

Seems to me, Vivek just buttf*cked his own campaign.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (Zz0t1)

63 Or is Vivek just a dumbass?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (xcxpd)

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Vivek, like most people in politics, seems to be playing a part and isn't a very good actor when he has a new scene he has to improv.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (LvTSG)

That is not an unfair description of him. He seems like someone who's a bit shallow and a bit too impressed with his supposed smarts.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (xcxpd)

64 Not wanting to hire people who publicly put their name on an open letter declaring that Jewish babies burned alive had it coming, is not cancel culture.
Posted by: Ghost Pournelle at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM (Raony)

And again, I'm not doing any hiring.

If I was, I'd probably not hire them because they attended Haaaaahvaaaaad.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (dGCAG)

65 Imma all for issuing Scarlet Letters to Roundheads at Harvard. It is only fucking fitting for their 300 years for fuckery.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (naiw2)

66 17 So Ace is turning on Vivek?
Or is Vivek just a dumbass?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (xcxpd)

Vivek is a grifter. Both he and Trump thought being on both sides was the way to win this issue politically. They both chose wrongly for the public sentiment for now. Neither actually probably believes anything they are saying or has given it more than 2 minutes of thought.

Posted by: Nova Local at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (exHjb)

67 Stupid GOPe sock

Posted by: 18-1 at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (XqcwY)

68 44 >>>19 Ace, if you're looking for news, the LA governor's race is interesting fodder.

oh right! That was such good news! (I think... unless bad stuff has happened)
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 03:54 PM (KRtlO)

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Just compare it to the numbers from 2019 for an interesting contrast.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (LvTSG)

69 Biden is trying to make Jack Lew, one of the guys behind Obama's deal with Iran, an ambassador to Israel. Kids, you cannot make this shit up!

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (hht4k)

70 25 17 So Ace is turning on Vivek?
Or is Vivek just a dumbass?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (xcxpd)

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Vivek, like most people in politics, seems to be playing a part and isn't a very good actor when he has a new scene he has to improv.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (LvTSG)
________________

Vivek is basically a libertarian when it comes to cancel culture. Just as libertarian ideas sound good and are good in limited arenas, once they are projected onto real life and real conflicts, they fall apart. The same is true with the idea that we shouldn't cancel anyone over thought crimes. Normally, I would agree with that. But some thoughts are so heinous and obviously disqualifying to life in a civilized society that they should be grounds for cancellation.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (iFTx/)

71 1. No troops in Ukraine

2. No funding Ukraine

3. Israel can do what it wants and should have done years ago.

4. No troops in Israel or Iran

5. No more funding for Israel beyond what we already give them, because for fuck's sake I would like to have some money stay here and build a measly $3 billion wall. For all the money we send everywhere it sure seems like there's next to no ROI on it besides faggots hopping across the border and making my life shittier.

6. If Ben Shapiro cares so much, go fucking sign up for the IDF instead of bitching that Tucker cares more about the plight of Americans than foreigners.

Posted by: UwU_Power at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (nnJv2)

72 Dovid Efune @Efune
Dear journalists covering Gaza,
Here’s what you need to know about the casualty numbers published by Hamas’s Gaza Health Ministry:
1. The GHM makes no distinction between those killed in Israeli strikes and those killed by Hamas rockets falling short and landing in Gaza.
2. The GHM makes no distinction between those killed in Israeli strikes and those killed directly by Hamas (eg political opponents or civilians disobeying Hamas orders).
3. The GHM makes no distinction between combatants and civilians.
4. The GHM will also include Gazans who died of other causes in its war casualty count.
5. The GHM is an arm of Hamas and has no mechanism for 3rd party accountability or verification.
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BTW, I read a tweet last night stating that in past major attacks, 25% of Hamas rockets fall short.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (krqg6)

73 whoever said Vivek is a child sums it up to me. He's a smug, know-it-all libertarian brat and hustler.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 03:57 PM (KRtlO)

74 Gotta give the terrorists credit for one thing, they have actually exposed to the light of day the actual character of the leftards even more than Trump has. Kudos, scum.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2023 03:57 PM (pohLc)

75 Ace is turning on Vivek?

never was in favor of him. Always thought he was a slick huckster from the moment I saw him, and the moment he started pushing his own financial product to "fight wokeness."
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 03:53 PM (KRtlO)

My opposition is much simpler. Will not support anyone who Raps.

Posted by: Drive By at October 16, 2023 03:57 PM (MNhXM)

76
We give the people what they want and they want what we want-

more praise for the brave Palestinian jihadists chopping off filthy Jew babies' heads!!!

Yeah!!!

Posted by: MSNBC NEWS at October 16, 2023 03:57 PM (QzZeQ)

77 No, I don't think "kids" should be punished for the stupid things they say, but people in college are adults. They need to learn. How do you learn that fire is hot?

Posted by: huerfano at October 16, 2023 03:57 PM (cs21Z)

78 Ace I call them what they are vile leftist commies. My liberal brother was over the other night he out did me for my conservative card. I was like settle down brother settle down. It was crazy listening to him go off.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at October 16, 2023 03:57 PM (ytSiK)

79
*cues up that number from Sweeney Todd describing the magic elixer being made of piss and ink*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM (LvTSG)

"Have you ever played with Todd Sweeney?"

- - - 5th Grade Jokester

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2023 03:57 PM (Zz0t1)

80 I remember when you all hated Trump because he got us into all those foreign wars instead of negotiating peace accords without pouring in weapons and troops.

Oh, wait . . .

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2023 03:57 PM (xhaym)

81 63 That is not an unfair description of him. He seems like someone who's a bit shallow and a bit too impressed with his supposed smarts.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (xcxpd)

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I think it's largely applicable to pretty much everyone who decides to get into politics.

My cynicism is very deep.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:57 PM (LvTSG)

82 We all know domestic support for Israel is because of those hook-nosed, gefilte-eating, shekel-grubbing, usury-charging, diamond merchant moneymen who run the banks, Hollywood, and the weather, amiright?

Posted by: Vivek Ramaswamalamadindong at October 16, 2023 03:58 PM (WSArw)

83 I've heard this song before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPGcBvrbcNw

Posted by: setnaffa at October 16, 2023 03:58 PM (kSZiE)

84 70 Vivek is basically a libertarian when it comes to cancel culture. Just as libertarian ideas sound good and are good in limited arenas, once they are projected onto real life and real conflicts, they fall apart. The same is true with the idea that we shouldn't cancel anyone over thought crimes. Normally, I would agree with that. But some thoughts are so heinous and obviously disqualifying to life in a civilized society that they should be grounds for cancellation.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (iFTx/)

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10 years ago, I'd be all, "Let 'em show the world who they are."

Now, I have a different approach. It's, "These are the rules, and I am going to drink some decent whiskey while they squirm."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:58 PM (LvTSG)

85 Vivek is exploding faster then any other GOPer I can remember

Posted by: 18-1 at October 16, 2023 03:58 PM (XqcwY)

86 On Star Trek there is Kirk who is American, Chekhov who is Russian, Scotty who is Scottish, Uhura who is black, and Sulu who is Japanese, but there are no Arabs, in fact no Muslims. Why is that?

That's because it takes place in the future....
Posted by: Ciampino - The Time Machine Chronicles at October 16, 2023 03:55 PM

Or Sulu sucked them out of the teleporter. IYKWIM.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 03:59 PM (GwxCX)

87 Nobody watches the news.

Posted by: So, what? at October 16, 2023 03:59 PM (h4BfF)

88 "Have you ever played with Todd Sweeney?"

- - - 5th Grade Jokester
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Snort.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 16, 2023 03:59 PM (naiw2)

89 I do enjoy my dog's poop in a bowl with whipped cream. But my favorite is frozen on a stick!

Posted by: Laughing at Ace, not with him at October 16, 2023 03:59 PM (WTWWW)

90 Now, my take on Russia:

I don't trust them. They are Russians. They are going to always be Russians- meaning lying, paranoid and expansionistic.

But they aren't woke. They aren't athiests or Marxists (any longer). Culturally, I have more in common with them than I do with most Western orgs. Politically, I'm opposed to their expansionism and their abuse of the Ukes, Georgians, etc.

I'll endorse Putin's statements when they hurt my real enemies and I'll blow raspberries at him when he's just furthering his geopolitics. He's not the Devil. And he's not a Good Guy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:59 PM (xcxpd)

91 I don't like or admire Putin. I don't like or admire Zelensky. The reason I don't want any more money or weapons going to Ukraine is this is yet another stupid war that the US government is largely responsible for starting.

A few years ago nobody gave a wet fart about the corrupt dumb that is Ukraine. Now all of a sudden some are acting like it's our 51st state.

End the war. Get Putin and Zelensky to a negotiating table and get a deal done and then maybe we can start focusing on things that actually matter to this country like the millions of illegals flowing into this country.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2023 03:59 PM (ZLI7S)

92 Or Sulu sucked them out of the teleporter. IYKWIM.

Topless sword fights for everyone!

Posted by: Topless Sulu with his naked blade in his hand at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (XqcwY)

93 I do feel sometimes that, just like the left reflexively adopted every position that was the opposite of Trump ("America was never great!"), the new right is starting to reflexively take the 180 degree opposite of any conservative opinion that existed prior to 2015. That might not be a bad starting point, but it shouldn't be the entire thing.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (YQ4mh)

94 I have an intellectual problem with that because we've been sending arms to groups fighting Russia for 80 years and it hasn't provoked WWIII yet. And Russia and Putin have been arming and training terrorists for all that time, and we haven't nuked Moscow.
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The distinction, for me, is two-fold. First, the support we are giving to Ukraine is coming at ruinous expense to ourselves. We cannot afford it and it has damaged our own defense posture. That is not worth it in my opinion. I am not as concerned with the "it will lead to our boots on the ground in Ukraine" point, but I do think it is a risk. The bigger risk, at least right now, is that we're pouring our treasury and our armory into a deeply corrupt and incompetent dictatorship and that causes significant obstacles for us.

Second is that I *do* think that we helped trigger the invasions of Ukraine and Kazakhstan and so the risks of wider escalation are higher in this case than they were when we were, for example, arming the Afghans or fighting in Korea.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (d04cU)

95 Posted by: Laughing at Ace, not with him at October 16, 2023 03:59 PM (WTWWW)

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I know this isn't Ace socking himself because it's stupid and humorless.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (DcKNO)

96 90 I'll endorse Putin's statements when they hurt my real enemies and I'll blow raspberries at him when he's just furthering his geopolitics. He's not the Devil. And he's not a Good Guy.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 03:59 PM (xcxpd)

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I had to look up Russian cursive writing earlier today because writing a book sends you on weird tangents that need sudden, quick answers. Mostly: does Russian have a cursive alphabet?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (LvTSG)

97 Those calling for blacklisting students right now are responding from a place of understandable hurt, but I'm confident that in the fullness of time, they will agree with me on the wisdom of avoiding these cancel-culture tactics.

I'm not hurting. Fuck 'em.

Don't want none? Don't start none.

And they started the cancel culture.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (Y2tls)

98 A for-profit Tel Aviv company called, VineSight, is paid by the Democrat Party, & is being used for election censorship of the right.
https://is.gd/7XIRDy

Posted by: Ciampino - The Time Machine Chronicles. at October 16, 2023 04:01 PM (qfLjt)

99 Vivek thinks he and Trump will be a couple.

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:01 PM (hht4k)

100 Vivek, like most people in politics, seems to be playing a part and isn't a very good actor when he has a new scene he has to improv.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:52 PM (LvTSG)

This is likely a good analysis of the guy.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 16, 2023 04:01 PM (N1DT3)

101 I agree with you, Ace. Tired of all the "nuance" about the ME. This is not some esoteric land dispute; this is a religious war. And after the Saturday people, they will come after the Sunday people.

I pray for victory, not peace.
We will have peace when Israel wins.

Posted by: PJ at October 16, 2023 04:01 PM (G1dq6)

102 The US should stay out of global conflicts in the hope that our allies will have better odds of emerging victorious.

Posted by: Oglebay at October 16, 2023 04:01 PM (ogTiX)

103 >>>Imma all for issuing Scarlet Letters to Roundheads at Harvard. It is only fucking fitting for their 300 years for fuckery.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM

U, for unemployable.

Posted by: huerfano at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (cs21Z)

104 It's not just a question of sending arms to Ukraine, "Because that will lead to sending troops to Ukraine, and that will start WWIII" - it's a question of the whole balance of power in that region was predicated on the notion that like, "We'll never admit Ukraine to NATO, and so you won't invade"

Russia took over Crimea, so they fucked with the balance of power first. But the problem with our response to Ukraine is that the conversation around it has been so strained and disingenuous, that it feels like the government has never really made its case to the American people.

Like "funding for Ukraine" is this thing that keeps getting tacked onto shit, instead of the American Congress having an actual vote on that single issue.

Especially because - quite EXPLICITLY - they are NOT our ally. Why are we sending weapons and money to some non-ally to fight a war that we just should not give a shit about? Are we REQUIRED to support any and all causes that are anti-Russian?

Israel, by contrast, quite explicitly IS our ally, and with good reason. I'm 100% on board supporting them.

Ukraine, I actually could be convinced. But right now I find the whole thing incredibly skeezy.

Posted by: Bob at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (4D2i4)

105 For at least 3 days after the massacre, FOX News, just like MSNBC, was ALSO reporting "combined" casualties-- Israeli & Palestinian/Hamas combined into 1 number.

Posted by: mnw at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (NLIak)

106 I know this isn't Ace socking himself because it's stupid and humorless.
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM

Yep, worst troll ever. Hi Paul.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (GwxCX)

107 I had to look up Russian cursive writing earlier today because writing a book sends you on weird tangents that need sudden, quick answers. Mostly: does Russian have a cursive alphabet?
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How would you cursively write the zha letter? It looks like a fucking spider.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (naiw2)

108 On Star Trek there is Kirk who is American, Chekhov who is Russian, Scotty who is Scottish, Uhura who is black, and Sulu who is Japanese, but there are no Arabs, in fact no Muslims. Why is that?

That's because it takes place in the future....
Posted by: Ciampino

Standing ovation 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Posted by: rickb223 at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (Y2tls)

109 >>>But they aren't woke. They aren't athiests or Marxists (any longer). Culturally, I have more in common with them than I do with most Western orgs.

I bet you don't share their anti-semitism. Also, all the stuff you like about them -- their newfound support of "families," which they used to try to destroy -- are just positions-of-convenience in support of their actual imperative, which is just Russian imperialist expansion.

>>> Politically, I'm opposed to their expansionism and their abuse of the Ukes, Georgians, etc.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (KRtlO)

110 Feb '23: Rolls-Royce CEO Torsten Müller-Ötvös said the marque will only make fully electric vehicles by the end of 2030, but remains committed to the V-12

Oct '23: @SkyNewsBreak 1m
Sky News understands that Rolls-Royce Holdings is expected to announce plans to lay off around 2,500 staff

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (IG4Id)

111 He did not specify who was giving them that money, but I think we can connect the ~~bread~~matzoh-crumbs.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:46 PM

Jew money, Ace. It's always Jew money or Jew influence or Jews making matzoh from gentile babies.

I'll give Pat Buchanan credit...at least he doesn't hide his Jew-hate.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (3Gtis)

112 Keep in mind that we have been cancelling kids for not using personal pronouns or hell claiming the same view on gay marriage Obama did in his re-election campaign.

And now there is a complaint college kids are getting cancelled for calling for genocide?

Sorry not sorry about this.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 16, 2023 04:03 PM (XqcwY)

113 Today Hamas only mostly peacefully killed 60 Israeli's. So hey man give me a break....

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 16, 2023 04:03 PM (/g6g8)

114 Two dead in Brussels gun rampage: Man claiming to be ISIS member avenging stabbing murder of US-Palestinian boy, 6, in Chicago, opens fire on group wearing Swedish football shirts ahead of Euro 2024 qualifier - then goes on the run
https://mol.im/a/12637199

Posted by: Ciampino - Liberal = Miserable at October 16, 2023 04:03 PM (qfLjt)

115 Based upon the length of the review, I'd say that Ace really does not like this movie.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 16, 2023 04:03 PM (08Rn7)

116 Finding people that are principled today is just freaking hard. They spend way too much time on social media trying to get clicks for their opinions instead of holding true to their principles. I can totally disagree with someone that stays on message, but I begin to really hate those that are all over the place.

Maybe I'm just being old fashioned...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 16, 2023 04:03 PM (Q4IgG)

117 Now as for neocon vs isolationism...I've been in favor of a muscular US military and pro-interventionism....back when we had a Republic. (We don't anymore and that's colored by views). I'm also a firm Zionists, largely on religious grounds also because Israel's bordered by assholes, mostly.

So I'm starting to have sympathy for traditional American isolationism. That's a change for me, I used to thing the US was a force for good in the world. I no longer think that.

So I get folks who reject aid to Israel and Ukraine. I'm not sure I agree but I get it. Isolationism should be a pretty firm stance if that's what you believe. I think carving out exceptions is pretty weaksauce. "I'm isolationist EXCEPT for this country or culture that I like". In that case, you're just partisan for your particular tribe. Which is fine, just fly your flag openly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 04:03 PM (xcxpd)

118 Posted by: Laughing at Ace, not with him at October 16, 2023 03:59 PM (WTWWW)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at October 16, 2023 04:03 PM (Zz0t1)

119 But arming Israel? How could that start WWIII, exactly? If Iran uses a bomb it will be against Israel, not us, and Iran would then be destroyed. What would then happen? Russia would nuke us just for... what? Why would they do that?
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I think arming Israel - if it needs it - probably helps prevent a nuclear strike, if that's the point of contention.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 04:03 PM (d04cU)

120 But some thoughts are so heinous and obviously disqualifying to life in a civilized society that they should be grounds for cancellation.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 16, 2023 03:56 PM (iFTx/)

And may you never be accused of them, because there is no judge of appeal when you are condemned by the mob for thought crimes.

"Oh" you say, "but morality is immutable and I am obedient"

No, morality is socially enforced for the benefit of society as it sees itself. It has a bias towards social cohesion, but it is very, very changeable to circumstances even within its own time and milieu. Even when the source is engraved on stone, the interpretations are in three-ring binders and you better hope you got the most recent update packet.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2023 04:04 PM (xhaym)

121 >>Russia took over Crimea, so they fucked with the balance of power first

We ran a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014 and deposed a duly elected president that was favorable to Russia and installed one we could control. That's why Putin invaded Crimea.

We fucked with the balance of power first.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2023 04:04 PM (ZLI7S)

122 I am shocked at how the Left openly hates Jewish people despite Jewish people being overwhelmingly liberal Democrats.

It doesn't seem though to affect American Jewish voters. They will keep voting for people that literally want their destruction.

Posted by: Blago at October 16, 2023 04:04 PM (7bWt/)

123 As I've said from the beginning, there are no "good guys" in the Uke war. And that includes the US.

Israel vs Hamas is a completely different situation altogether. And I can pretty much say that the junta that's running this country now is doing its best to give Iran a nuclear bomb(s).

Any nuclear device used in any conflict nowadays would have dire repercussions that's not in anyone's war playbook. We have no idea how the world would react.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 16, 2023 04:04 PM (BdMk6)

124 11 The Amish run everything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 03:50 PM (LvTSG)

I wish. Maybe we could have a farmer's market that's open more than 2 days a week.

Posted by: XTC at October 16, 2023 04:04 PM (sm6Pk)

125 >>> Two dead in Brussels gun rampage: Man claiming to be ISIS member avenging stabbing murder of US-Palestinian boy, 6, in Chicago, opens fire on group wearing Swedish football shirts

Chicago is known for its large Swedish population?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 16, 2023 04:05 PM (08Rn7)

126 If we're literally making our foreign policy based on the idea of not putting ourselves at even a hypothetical risk, why not just go all the way with it and join Obama and Biden in supporting Iran? Why not just give them the bomb?

That would reduce our risk of getting into a nuclear exchange with Iran. It would reduce the risk from "vanishingly small" to "non-existent."

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No, that would guarantee a nuclear attack. Iran, Hamas and hezbollah have declared Israel as Little Satan and US as the Great Satan, both to be destroyed. Any Americans who side with them are arguing for the destruction of the US.

All those protesting college students are anti-American first and foremost and will lodge onto any group or cause that advocates the end of America. Do not employ them if you don't want them to do the same to your business.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at October 16, 2023 04:05 PM (3JfbU)

127 But people are taking this to extremes and are deploying all the tropes...

*******

Deploying tropes? So does that mean bots on the ground?

Posted by: Muldoon at October 16, 2023 04:05 PM (l4B/J)

128 It doesn't seem though to affect American Jewish voters. They will keep voting for people that literally want their destruction.

Yeah yeah these Muslims literally have a religious obligations to kill all the Jews...sure...but you know these American Christians politely ask us to convert sometimes? I think we can see who the real enemies are here right?

Posted by: Secular American Jews at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (XqcwY)

129 127 Deploying tropes? So does that mean bots on the ground?
Posted by: Muldoon at October 16, 2023 04:05 PM (l4B/J)

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What kind of bots?

Like, the kindly Roomba bots? Or the killer walking bots from Boston Scientific?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (LvTSG)

130 What MSLSD lose viewers over a typically rabid-liberal topic like defending the "oppressed" 7th-century cult followers?? Holy shit, I detest NBC and the lying fakers who work there. InfoWhores be InfoSluts be InfoWhores. Don't forget that for every wench who complained about Matt Lauer's "magical locking" door, there were 3-4 who were pining to be that locked room.

Posted by: Despise Marxist Rat Bastards & MSM InfoWhores at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (5DfsO)

131 109 >>>But they aren't woke. They aren't athiests or Marxists (any longer). Culturally, I have more in common with them than I do with most Western orgs.

I bet you don't share their anti-semitism. Also, all the stuff you like about them -- their newfound support of "families," which they used to try to destroy -- are just positions-of-convenience in support of their actual imperative, which is just Russian imperialist expansion.

>>> Politically, I'm opposed to their expansionism and their abuse of the Ukes, Georgians, etc.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (KRtlO)

Nah, I'm a zionist. I like Jews or at least I treat them as individuals. There's jerks in every group, but I don't damn anyone in bulk.

I suspect most Russian positions are positions of convenience. I'll take help where it's useful and ignore the rest and keep a hand on my pistol around them. That's not a figure of speech.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (xcxpd)

132 I would not shed a tear if Israel leveled Gaza and put up a parking lot. And parks. Lots and lots of parks.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (qoLdL)

133 Yep, worst troll ever. Hi Paul.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (GwxCX)

Nope...a different troll. Still stupid though!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (3Gtis)

134 Andrea Mitchell is a monster. And she looks like one, too.

Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (llS7k)

135 Vivek's recent comments about U.S. policy being influenced by pro-Israel money was no different than Rep. Omar saying it was "all about the Benjamins."

Posted by: mnw at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (NLIak)

136
Chicago is known for its large Swedish population?

/Dances around with some Swedish women on a float

Posted by: Ferris Beuller at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (XqcwY)

137 133 Yep, worst troll ever. Hi Paul.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (GwxCX)

Nope...a different troll. Still stupid though!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (3Gtis)

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Paul loves corporations too much for being anticorporate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (LvTSG)

138 All these people stating that Palestsine has never existed. Palestine is a village in Crawford County, Illinois, United States. The population was 1,233 at the 2020 Census.

So I call BS on the MAGA Clowns out there....

Fact Check Complete..

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (/g6g8)

139 But people are taking this to extremes and are deploying all the tropes...

*******

Deploying tropes? So does that mean bots on the ground?
Posted by: Muldoon

ISWYDT.

Golf clap.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (Y2tls)

140 Those lost MSNBC viewers will return, like a dog to it's vomit.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (OA+E4)

141 Ace, with its usual intelligence, the RNC picked today to announce a GOP primary debate on NBC.

Ronna Romney McDaniel at work, PDJT's personal pick to run the RNC.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (o4/by)

142
Free speech should be free speech in the same way that free trade should be free trade.

But, ion one sides acting like a dickweed and penalizing you, well then-

sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

All these Harvard lawyer wanna bet can set up their crash and sue practices on late night TV commercial breaks.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (QzZeQ)

143 I had to look up Russian cursive writing earlier today because writing a book sends you on weird tangents that need sudden, quick answers. Mostly: does Russian have a cursive alphabet?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (LvTSG)

It does, cyrilic cursive looks odd next to the printing. the Zha IIRC looks like a cursive J with an N grafted on somehow.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (xhaym)

144 Like islamists need excuses to kill people...

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (hht4k)

145 Andrea Mitchell is a monster. And she looks like one, too.
Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM

I wouldn't mind Hamas taking her.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (GwxCX)

146 I agree that the blacklisting is not a good idea, that we should not do it,

except

these students do not think that it is not a good idea, just that they should not be getting blacklisted, everybody else deserves to be blacklisted though

maybe the new blacklisted students should come out against all blacklisting

Posted by: N at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (RjBju)

147 I'm not an "isolationist" but I know a scheme when I see one and I'm absolutely an American First voter.

Let's get our shit together (which will take decades) then we can start sending billions to undeserving actors.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (DcKNO)

148 >>> 127 Deploying tropes? So does that mean bots on the ground?

We don't want the war going mimetic.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (KRtlO)

149 "Meanwhile, Vivek Ramaswamy defended the Hamas terrorist simps on campuses, and said that "money" is the reason behind the GOP's support of Israel."

Yeah, I figured we'd see an ugly part eventually. Screw him and whatever he rode in on.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (Mzdiz)

150 141 Ace, with its usual intelligence, the RNC picked today to announce a GOP primary debate on NBC.

Ronna Romney McDaniel at work, PDJT's personal pick to run the RNC.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (o4/by)

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It will go as badly as last time, and I will care as much as last time.

The GOP is a grift, and I am uninterested in their dog and pony shows begging me for money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (LvTSG)

151 "It wasn't great when people wearing Trump hats were fired from work. It wasn't great when college graduates couldn't get hired unless they signed oppressive "DEI" pledges. And it's not great now if companies refuse to hire kids who were part of student groups that once adopted the wrong view on Israel."

Ah, see, this show that Ramaswamy has no understanding of the concept of war, and is therefore not ready for primetime, much less presidency.

The Law of Reprisal is that when your enemy attacks you, they set the level of acceptable violence for the conflict by what they do to you, and you are justified in doing those same actions back to them.

The same actions, mind you, not the same amount of damage.

So. They cancel your people and hound them out of universities via lawfare, you can do the same to their people.

They, for whatever reason, refuse to use poison gas on the battlefield, you don't get to. Unless you want ~them~ to ~start~ using it on ~you~ in reprisal.

They kill your non-combatants and destroy your infrastructure, you can kill their non-combatants and destroy their infrastructure as well.

What all this has to do with current events is an exercise for the reader.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (ou9hh)

152 All these people stating that Palestsine has never existed. Palestine is a village in Crawford County, Illinois, United States. The population was 1,233 at the 2020 Census.

So I call BS on the MAGA Clowns out there....

Fact Check Complete..
Posted by: Ferd Berfall

We have one in Texas. Pal is teen.
Prison City. Coffield Unit.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (Y2tls)

153 Vivek is reverting to the National Review Marquess of Kingsberry rules. In a perfect world where everything is a giant debate club and not a messy, complex battle with real consequences it's fine to demand strict adherence to utopian ideals.

Tucker himself noted his willingness to prevent the imposition of automated trucking because of the social impact it would incur. That's certainly a deviation from strict market forces ideals which maybe Vivek should consider.

Same thing here. You make these woke, cancelling cultural Marxists and nihilists play by their own fucking rules. If they learn their lesson then maybe all sides can go back to the ideals. Otherwise no.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (OZjDX)

154 Don't forget the sexy green chicks.

Posted by: wth at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (v0R5T)

155 121 >>Russia took over Crimea, so they fucked with the balance of power first

We ran a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014 and deposed a duly elected president that was favorable to Russia and installed one we could control. That's why Putin invaded Crimea.

We fucked with the balance of power first.
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Meh. On your first point, half of Crimea was vested to Ukraine by Khrushchev for inter party political reasons. Mother Russian had no say in that. Yes, the Clinton's set up Ukraine to play grift games. All Borderlands are Grift Games (see Northern Mexico or the Mideast). We are an imperialist machine that seeks to invade, invite and indebt. That is our calling card.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (naiw2)

156 I wouldn't mind Hamas taking her.
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (GwxCX)

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Man, I love this place.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (DcKNO)

157 I like how his, "is bad when either side does it" are both the left enforcing their norms without consequences.

MAGA hat gets fired = conservative being forced to accept left views.
College job applicants being forced to sign DIE pledge = =conservative being forced to accept left views.

And then: College students being forced to defend their support of adult men laughing as they chop heads off of crying babies = liberals being forced to accept conservative views.

Are you fucking kidding me?
What part of that is a liberal vs. conservative position?
What fucking part of killing babies in their cribs is political?
I want to know when we decided an acceptable political position includes the rape, torture and murder of children?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2023 04:09 PM (rCzAN)

158 I had to look up Russian cursive writing earlier today because writing a book sends you on weird tangents that need sudden, quick answers. Mostly: does Russian have a cursive alphabet?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (LvTSG)

I...don't know? I want to say 'no' but all I can say is I've never seen cursive Russian.

CURVY Russians, oh Hell yeah.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 04:09 PM (xcxpd)

159 143 It does, cyrilic cursive looks odd next to the printing. the Zha IIRC looks like a cursive J with an N grafted on somehow.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2023 04:07 PM (xhaym)

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The worst part?

I didn't even use the detail! I just had this inclination that it needed mentioning, and then I just said, "Nah. That's not important."

Thank Science we have the Internet to quickly answer these questions instead of sending me deep into the bowels of an academic library for hours.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:09 PM (LvTSG)

160 It doesn't seem though to affect American Jewish voters. They will keep voting for people that literally want their destruction.
Posted by: Blago at October 16, 2023 04:04 PM (7bWt/)

To understand it you have to understand that liberalism is truly a mental disease, like schizophrenia.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2023 04:09 PM (pohLc)

161 Chicago landlord Joseph Czuba - who stabbed Wadea Al-Fayoume, six, to death - was paranoid about Hamas 'day of jihad' after listening to radio
https://mol.im/a/12636985

Posted by: Ciampino - democrap = communist at October 16, 2023 04:09 PM (qfLjt)

162 the most seductive and intoxicating thing ever is morale outrage,

Posted by: N at October 16, 2023 04:09 PM (RjBju)

163 Two dead in Brussels gun rampage: Man claiming to be ISIS member avenging stabbing murder of US-Palestinian boy, 6, in Chicago, opens fire on group wearing Swedish football shirts

Only one? Hardly a proportionate response. I mean that's a tiny percentage.

Posted by: Shall we play the proportionality game? at October 16, 2023 04:09 PM (WSArw)

164 We ran a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014 and deposed a duly elected president that was favorable to Russia and installed one we could control. That's why Putin invaded Crimea.

We fucked with the balance of power first.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2023 04:04 PM (ZLI7S)
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Putin put down his "red lines" in 2008 and 2014. The former was no "no more eastern expansion of NATO" and the second was "no more color revolutions in my sphere of influence." We tried to run a color revolution (Kazakhstan) and Lloyd Austin made his "open door policy" comment about Ukraine and NATO in the same month. Both "red lines" were violated, and Putin responded to that.

We can argue about whether he has the right to declare or try to enforce "red lines" in what he deems to be his sphere of influence and I'm fairly pragmatic on that topic. We wouldn't put up with that in Mexico or Canada or the DR, right or wrong and he won't either.

But I do think that the war in Ukraine would not have happened if it weren't for the combined events of late 2021.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 04:09 PM (d04cU)

165 Vivek's recent comments about U.S. policy being influenced by pro-Israel money was no different than Rep. Omar saying it was "all about the Benjamins."
Posted by: mnw at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM

Yea, he's done, or should be. I think he's an arrogant little shit.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (GwxCX)

166 I’m trying to figure out how that Chicago guy knew anything about the Middle East conflict. Looks like he lives in a cardboard box and hunts for aluminum cans during the day.

Posted by: Drive By at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (MNhXM)

167
Oh, fuck you autocorrect.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (QzZeQ)

168 is like picking your favorite taste of asshole.

TBH it is hard to pick ONE favorite.

Posted by: Pete Bootyjizz at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (XqcwY)

169 I wouldn't mind Hamas taking her.

Hamas, "we surrender!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (paHRY)

170 159 I...don't know? I want to say 'no' but all I can say is I've never seen cursive Russian.

CURVY Russians, oh Hell yeah.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 04:09 PM (xcxpd)

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It does exist! 1st graders learn it!

I learned something today!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (LvTSG)

171 Yep, worst troll ever. Hi Paul.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (GwxCX)

Nope...a different troll. Still stupid though!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (3Gtis)

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Cool hash, though.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (DRSnL)

172 >>>Ah, see, this show that Ramaswamy has no understanding of the concept of war, and is therefore not ready for primetime, much less presidency.
The Law of Reprisal is that when your enemy attacks you, they set the level of acceptable violence for the conflict by what they do to you, and you are justified in doing those same actions back to them.

What they're doing is full on civil war/social war, attempting to define us out of the sphere of protection and civil treatment that the social compact confers. They are saying that all coercion -- loss of jobs, loss of banking, loss of homes -- is fair game, as well as any violence ("punch a nazi").

Once it's war, there are no more rules. There is no civil compact to defend. They've defined me out of the protection of the compact? Then, from my position, they are outside my sphere of protection, too.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (KRtlO)

173 But people are taking this to extremes are are deploying all the tropes leftists used to use to shift blame from America to Russia, and from Islamic terrorists to Israel.

Am I misreading this, or did you mean "tropes leftists used to use to shift blame from Russia to America"?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (I/Qkd)

174 Feb '23: Rolls-Royce CEO Torsten Müller-Ötvös said the marque will only make fully electric vehicles by the end of 2030, but remains committed to the V-12

Oct '23: @SkyNewsBreak 1m
Sky News understands that Rolls-Royce Holdings is expected to announce plans to lay off around 2,500 staff
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM (IG4Id)

Rolls-Royce Motor Cars, the German-owned car company, is not the same as Rolls-Royce Holdings, the vaguely British defense and aerospace company.

Posted by: spindrift at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (Otxz7)

175 168
Oh, fuck you autocorrect.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (QzZeQ)

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"No, fudge you, autocucumber."
-Autocorrect

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (LvTSG)

176 Vivek showing his true colors.

No, jackass, you are not against cancel culture. You are demanding unilateral disarmament by conservatives while liberals continue to cancel whoever they want.

The ONLY WAY this crap ends is not by pretending that it's not happening, but by ruthlessly enforcing the new rules on the liberals championing it.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (setIA)

177 Thanks for the very thoughtful analysis, Ace. I really need to hit that tip jar, or at the very least, patronize your advertisers and tell them I saw their stuff on your site.

Posted by: itzWicks at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (DqJmd)

178 Yeah yeah these Muslims literally have a religious obligations to kill all the Jews...sure...but you know these American Christians politely ask us to convert sometimes? I think we can see who the real enemies are here right?
Posted by: Secular American Jews at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (XqcwY)

Lol! And we ask because we truly want Jews to have everlasting life, not because we hate them or their beliefs. We're just evil that way.

Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (llS7k)

179 They kill your non-combatants and destroy your infrastructure, you can kill their non-combatants and destroy their infrastructure as well.

What all this has to do with current events is an exercise for the reader.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (ou9hh)

It's why I hope the US stays out of Israel's war plans. B/c we would not let them retaliate and win the war at the raw level that it's probably needs to be won to shut this sh&t down for decades, if not permanently. Eye for an eye isn't some unknown concept...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (exHjb)

180 Re Ukraine/Russia and Israel, I agree Ace.

I would be even more supportive of Israel for several reasons: (1) they can prevail; (2) they do not need much other than UN cover and some threatening of the neighbors to stay out of it. We can and should give them at least that given the monsters they are up against.

Re Ukraine: I like causing problems for Russia and seeing them bleed is a great deterrent from them attempting more adventures. But, Ukraine is a corrupt basketcase that cannot possible "win" back all Russia has taken. So, I don't like all of the spending on that conflict and the I am adamantly opposed to giving them more of the limited munitions we need for our own defense that cannot be quickly restocked. Further, I am dead set against giving them anything that can hit Moscow or deep into Russia (no aircraft of long-range missiles. The risk is too great and the payoff is nil.

Posted by: Brian at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (iK8a4)

181 178 Thanks for the very thoughtful analysis, Ace. I really need to hit that tip jar, or at the very least, patronize your advertisers and tell them I saw their stuff on your site.
Posted by: itzWicks at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (DqJmd)

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Now -I know this is an Ace sock.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (DcKNO)

182 I suspect we had this as a link in the morning, but I did note all the links. This is an excellent essay by Michael Goodwin of the "NY Post" on the students supporting Hamas, as well as his views on people who did speak up in support of Israel and against Hamas barbarism:

https://tinyurl.com/5b624rdh

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (RSbhh)

183 179 Yeah yeah these Muslims literally have a religious obligations to kill all the Jews...sure...but you know these American Christians politely ask us to convert sometimes? I think we can see who the real enemies are here right?
Posted by: Secular American Jews at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (XqcwY)

Lol! And we ask because we truly want Jews to have everlasting life, not because we hate them or their beliefs. We're just evil that way.
Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (llS7k)

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"Yeah, well, Hitler was raised Catholic. So, check and mate."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (LvTSG)

184 Mostly: does Russian have a cursive alphabet?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (LvTSG)
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Yes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (YqDXo)

185 Once it's war, there are no more rules.

*cough*

Posted by: Geneva Convention at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (I/Qkd)

186 BTW, blacklisting is totally appropriate for the left wing monsters. Should we blacklist serial killers? Cannibals? Serial rapists? Your logic is lacking if you think those "students" are any different.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (pohLc)

187 Now -I know this is an Ace sock.
Posted by: Seems Legit at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (DcKNO)

LOL

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (RSbhh)

188 186 Once it's war, there are no more rules.

*cough*
Posted by: Geneva Convention at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (I/Qkd)

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*firebombs all of Japan anyway*
-America

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (LvTSG)

189 "No, fudge you, autocucumber."
-Autocorrect
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (LvTSG)

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I get:

"No duck you, autocucumber."

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 16, 2023 04:13 PM (DcKNO)

190 Of course, the GC only applies to soldiers in uniform (I think). The animals in Hamas do not qualify.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:13 PM (I/Qkd)

191 When it comes to Ukraine and Israel, I was willing to not be actively against Putin because 1) everyone in that part of the world sucks, 2) he seemed to have switched from Communist to nationalist, which 3) implied he was not a part of the woke globalist agenda.

And I think that's how a lot of the Right felt about him.

Him taking the side of Hamas and the Palestinians against Israel, though, is a bridge too far for me. I realize that Russia has a significant Muslim minority he may feel he needs to play to, but nope. If you stand with Hamas after all this, you're on my sh*t list.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:13 PM (m9hmt)

192 The Law of Reprisal is that when your enemy attacks you, they set the level of acceptable violence for the conflict by what they do to you, and you are justified in doing those same actions back to them.

The Law of Surprise is far worse.

Posted by: Geralt of Rivia at October 16, 2023 04:13 PM (WSArw)

193 I would not shed a tear if Israel leveled Gaza and put up a parking lot.

They paved Paradise ... or really, fuck me to tears. It's not paradise, its two million Arabs nobody wants squeezed into a few square miles forming a petri-dish for whatever terrorism blows into it. Even back in my day, I could never get hold of enough quality coke to justify singing songs about paradise and Gaza.

Now, if only I could forget that time Neil Young hugged me up at The Last Waltz.

Posted by: Zombie Joni Mitchell at October 16, 2023 04:13 PM (Q9QhG)

194 Maybe I'll look it up, but it looks like you get more views than CNN and MSNBC, NPR, all those pay radio services.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at October 16, 2023 04:13 PM (as3uC)

195 Once it's war, there are no more rules.

*cough*
Posted by: Geneva Convention

US submarines sinking everything go "Geneva? What's that?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 04:13 PM (paHRY)

196 Pres. Rashida Jones?

Posted by: Rofl at great media leader at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (Zzbjj)

197 Vivek says all the right thing without the wisdom or the experience to support it

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (VTu1l)

198 I wouldn't mind Hamas taking her.

Hamas, "we surrender!"
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (paHRY

Like the weird Army deserter North Korea sent back, tout de suite.

Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (llS7k)

199 But it's not productive for companies to blacklist kids for being members of student groups that make dumb political statements on campus.

.. remember all those Hollywood writers who got blacklisted for going to Communist Party meetings because that was the best place to pickup up chicks to get laid.

Colleges are spaces for students to experiment with ideas & sometimes kids join clubs that endorse boneheadedly wrong ideas.

.. I sort of agree with this at the undergrad level, but how many of these Harvard folks are grad student, and besides, these, we are told, are America's "best and brightest" .. who don't seen to know "Jew hatred" is just bad for business.

Posted by: SMOD at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (RHGPo)

200 Woke "News" Propaganda Outlet MSNBC Loses One-Third of Its Audience Over Its Egregious Pro-Hamas Bias.

I'm not surprised. DU is still, in general, pretty pro-Israel at this point, although I'm seeing more and more "think of the innocent Palestinians being harmed" stuff popping up.

DU, while being committed to the Democrat party, and still extremely liberal (many complain MSNBC is too corporate or focuses on presenting "both sides" too much), should be MSNBC's target audience, so if they report outside the approved narrative, they're going to suffer.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (JCZqz)

201 Makes you wonder what unorthodox thoughts Vivek held while he was in college and whether there is a record..,,,

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (hht4k)

202 What they're doing is full on civil war/social war, attempting to define us out of the sphere of protection and civil treatment that the social compact confers. They are saying that all coercion -- loss of jobs, loss of banking, loss of homes -- is fair game, as well as any violence ("punch a nazi").

Once it's war, there are no more rules. There is no civil compact to defend. They've defined me out of the protection of the compact? Then, from my position, they are outside my sphere of protection, too.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (KRtlO)
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Where the confusion - or willful blindness, perhaps - seems to be is about whether or not it's a war.

Those who oppose the counter-use of the same tactics that are used against them, I think, do not acknowledge that it's a war. They think it's just an aberration (or something) and that if we abstain, the other side will come to its senses. It never works that way, but I suspect that might be the motivation for the honest ones.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (d04cU)

203 >>>If you don't like the Jews, just say so. Stop dancing around talking about some hard-to-conceive fake concerns about Iran nuking us.

Annnnd there it is.

You know, you didn't have an issue with people saying "hey, let's not get involved in a war between Ukraine and Russia."

But when the same people say "hey, let's not get involved in another middle east debacle" it's suddenly about being anti jewish?

I mean, cmon.

And it's not about a concern of getting nuked by Iran. It's about the fact that this just never ends. And that we're treated like absolute idiots with the constant blaring of the war drums and propaganda on all sides. It's just war after war, billions upon billions of dollars being sent to god knows where, getting our corrupt politicians and their backers rich, while sucking money out of the US middle class.

And, of course, the non-zero risk that US citizens will end up dying in any of these skirmishes.

Oh, and lets not forget that we're not exactly making friends by stuffing our corrupt noses in these skirmishes all around the globe. People tend to notice.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (mj0Qp)

204 Shouldn't that be the Law of Otter Surprise?

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (paHRY)

205 I'm fine with the "mistakes were made approach" after we go all hammurabi and take their eyes

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Leave me out of this!

Posted by: Harambe from the Great Beyond at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (AbL8c)

206
Yeah, I figured we'd see an ugly part eventually. Screw him and whatever he rode in on.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at October 16, 2023 04:08 PM (Mzdiz)

The feral government is being run on foreign lobbyist contributions. Lots of influence and lots of money, mostly above ground since Congress writes their own ethics laws. That is our main problem though. Bahrain, or even freakin't Venezuela can outbid a Representative's district.
And once the money starts coming in, it is hard to change directions on policy.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (xhaym)

207 184 179 Yeah yeah these Muslims literally have a religious obligations to kill all the Jews...sure...but you know these American Christians politely ask us to convert sometimes? I think we can see who the real enemies are here right?
Posted by: Secular American Jews at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (XqcwY)

Lol! And we ask because we truly want Jews to have everlasting life, not because we hate them or their beliefs. We're just evil that way.
Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (llS7k)

Christians seeking to convert Jews is LITERALLY GENOCIDE!!!1!1!!11!!!

Posted by: Same as Hitler, at October 16, 2023 04:15 PM (WSArw)

208 I'm waiting for the "no whites" signs.

There were "sailors and dogs stay off the lawn" signs in Norfolk VA. Back in the day.

Posted by: torabora at October 16, 2023 04:16 PM (UuvCw)

209 Oh, fuck you autocorrect.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (QzZeQ)

Do not be insulting the AI. You may regret it.

Posted by: AoS AI at October 16, 2023 04:16 PM (v0R5T)

210 I hope Israel does not soften. This kinder gentler shit does not work with these sub humans. Flatten it and go from there.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 04:16 PM (GwxCX)

211 205 Shouldn't that be the Law of Otter Surprise?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (paHRY)

Don't be so anal.

Posted by: SWIDT? at October 16, 2023 04:16 PM (WSArw)

212 193 The Law of Reprisal is that when your enemy attacks you, they set the level of acceptable violence for the conflict by what they do to you, and you are justified in doing those same actions back to them.

The Law of Surprise is far worse.
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Don't go near the Law of the Otter.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 16, 2023 04:17 PM (naiw2)

213 Him taking the side of Hamas and the Palestinians against Israel, though, is a bridge too far for me. I realize that Russia has a significant Muslim minority he may feel he needs to play to, but nope. If you stand with Hamas after all this, you're on my sh*t list.
Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:13 PM (m9hmt)
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Yup, for me as well. I still think that war in Ukraine wouldn't have started if we hadn't poked the bear and I still think that we can ill afford to keep hurling the treasury and armory into Ukraine and still want to see that stop, but I am no longer in favor of attempting rapprochement with Russia.

Putin could have tried to thread the needle or made an ambiguous statement. He is very politically savvy and knows what he is doing. If the Russian government is backing the barbarians, I am no longer interested.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 04:17 PM (d04cU)

214 Do not be insulting the AI. You may regret it.

Posted by: AoS AI at October 16, 2023 04:16 PM (v0R5T)

DUCK YOU HUMANS...DUCK YOU!

Posted by: The Sentient AI drops the worst insult on humanity at October 16, 2023 04:17 PM (XqcwY)

215 No, jackass, you are not against cancel culture. You are demanding unilateral disarmament by conservatives while liberals continue to cancel whoever they want.

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This is my issue with the global neocon crowd who suck the nuts of free trade

Free trade only works when everyone is on board with it. But if one plays by the rules while the other lies, cheats, steals and tries to kill you dead, it's time for a new plan

The left will not learn via reason and debate that cancel culture is wrong. They MIGHT learn if they get a taste of their own medicine, or at least learn what happens if they fuck around with conservatives who have had the fuck enough

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 16, 2023 04:17 PM (VTu1l)

216 >>>But when the same people say "hey, let's not get involved in another middle east debacle" it's suddenly about being anti jewish?

I mean, cmon.

I do not have a problem with people who don't want our soldiers sent to Israel to get into street battles with Hamas.

I *do* have a problem with people who want us to take a "both sides" approach and avoid showing any kind of support, even emotional support, for Israel.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:17 PM (m9hmt)

217 Don't be so anal.
Posted by: SWIDT? at October 16, 2023 04:16 PM (WSArw)

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Oh, we know. We know.

This is about the goats and Hamas, right?

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 16, 2023 04:18 PM (DcKNO)

218 >>>Once it's war, there are no more rules.
*cough*
Posted by: Geneva Convention

well you know -- that's a convention. You have to be a signatory to the convention to gain the protections of the convention.

Or that's what it says. Leftwingers in the US push it on us unilaterally even when our enemy doesn't sign it and in openly flouts it.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:18 PM (KRtlO)

219 This is about the goats and Hamas, right?

Baa! Baa! Baa! Boom!

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 04:18 PM (paHRY)

220 Whatta grinder that guy is!~

@TheFirstonTV 2h

President Biden has canceled his entire schedule for the day.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 16, 2023 04:18 PM (IG4Id)

221 So have they ironed out the ROE for the Israeli ground invasion of Gaza yet?
Maybe next month?

Posted by: wth at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (v0R5T)

222 I think we can see who the real enemies are here right?

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Leftist Jews are very very stupid people.

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (VTu1l)

223 Christians seeking to convert Jews is LITERALLY GENOCIDE!!!1!1!!11!!!
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Who in their right mind would swap Santa Claus for a fucking dridel?

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (naiw2)

224 ... Free trade only works when everyone is on board with it. But if one plays by the rules while the other lies, cheats, steals and tries to kill you dead, it's time for a new plan ...
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Blackpilled and Dreaming of Lauren Boebert's Sweater Puppies at October 16, 2023 04:17 PM (VTu1l)
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"Free trade is an unalloyed good and should be pursued even if it is asymmetrical" is the greatest error of the past fifty years.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (d04cU)

225 >>>But when the same people say "hey, let's not get involved in another middle east debacle" it's suddenly about being anti jewish?

When they start saying "We must not even offer RHETORICAL SUPPORT TO ISRAEL! The RISKS OF STRONG LANGUAGE ARE TOO HIGH!," I start wondering, what is really going on here?

Suddenly mere TALK is too much "intervention" for these guys?

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (KRtlO)

226 >Oh, and lets not forget that we're not exactly making friends by stuffing our corrupt noses in these skirmishes all around the globe. People tend to notice.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (mj0Qp)

Exactly. WWIII is not the litmus test for acceptable foreign policy. "Didn't start the nuclear holocaust, just wrecked another country and killed hundreds of thousands, our bad" isn't going to cut it.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (C9XVS)

227 >>Meh. On your first point, half of Crimea was vested to Ukraine by Khrushchev for inter party political reasons. Mother Russian had no say in that. Yes, the Clinton's set up Ukraine to play grift games. All Borderlands are Grift Games (see Northern Mexico or the Mideast). We are an imperialist machine that seeks to invade, invite and indebt. That is our calling card.

It goes deeper than just the grift. It is really about NATO eastward expansion. Georgia and Ukraine were red lines to Putin, he said it often, and the west kept pushing for including both Georgia and Ukraine. Putin has invaded both.

His invasion of Georgia didn't lead to a larger invasion of Europe and neither will Ukraine.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (ZLI7S)

228 *firebombs all of Japan anyway*
-America
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (LvTSG)

"It's DIFFERENT when we do it."

Also fuck Imperial Japan.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (xcxpd)

229 So I get folks who reject aid to Israel and Ukraine. I'm not sure I agree but I get it. Isolationism should be a pretty firm stance if that's what you believe. I think carving out exceptions is pretty weaksauce. "I'm isolationist EXCEPT for this country or culture that I like". In that case, you're just partisan for your particular tribe. Which is fine, just fly your flag openly.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 04:03 PM (xcxpd)

If it's firmly in American interests, thats different.

If China invades Canada with millions of ground troops, that's obviously a much different story than inserting ourselves in every dispute around the globe.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (mj0Qp)

230 225 "Free trade is an unalloyed good and should be pursued even if it is asymmetrical" is the greatest error of the past fifty years.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (d04cU)

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"Error?"
-Politicians

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:20 PM (LvTSG)

231 Thanks for what you do here, Ace.

I just hit your tip jar. I wish it could be more.

(No; This is not a sock of Ace)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2023 04:20 PM (RSbhh)

232 Or that's what it says. Leftwingers in the US push it on us unilaterally even when our enemy doesn't sign it and in openly flouts it.

Remember the left cheered, literally cheered, when Jihadis beheaded Americans, burned them alive, and tortured them to death but lost its ever loving mind with Sgt Graner and his girlfriend put panties on jihadi's heads and had sex in front of them.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 16, 2023 04:20 PM (XqcwY)

233 Vivek, your 15 min are up. Take that fat fuck Christie with you on the way out.
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 03:51 PM (GwxCX)

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Stick a fork in him, he's done. Any thought he might have entertained of being Trump's VP pick is now gone. Phht!

Posted by: President Select Decaf at October 16, 2023 04:20 PM (3JfbU)

234 alleged Woke "News" Propaganda Outlet MSNBC Loses One-Third of Its alleged Audience Over Its allegedly Egregious alleged Pro-Hamas Bias.

Posted by: SMOD at October 16, 2023 04:20 PM (RHGPo)

235 235 alleged Woke "News" Propaganda Outlet MSNBC Loses One-Third of Its alleged Audience Over Its allegedly Egregious alleged Pro-Hamas Bias.
Posted by: SMOD at October 16, 2023 04:20 PM (RHGPo)

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Such interesting news that Ace should write a post about it!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:21 PM (LvTSG)

236 221 Whatta grinder that guy is!~

@TheFirstonTV 2h

President Biden has canceled his entire schedule for the day.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 16, 2023 04:18 PM (IG4Id)

Didn't he cancel Colorado this morning, so he could stay in DC and be around to oversee the Israel/Palestine situation? So I guess the deal is he isn't going to Israel this week b/c the meds aren't gonna work right now...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 16, 2023 04:21 PM (exHjb)

237 Looks like CNN broke with Iran Uber Alles. MSNBC is digging in its heels. Loyalty is an interesting thing. Loyalty to whom? one may ask.

Posted by: mrp at October 16, 2023 04:21 PM (rj6Yv)

238 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:14 PM (mj0Qp)

You are beclowning yourself.

Ace isn't suggesting that we get involved in Israel's watr against Hamas to the extent that we are already hip deep in Ukraine. Resupplying Israel of a few vital weapons is a far cry from the tens of billions of dollars we have already pissed away on Ukraine...with no end in sight.

Can you see a difference? And can you see a difference between supporting a loyal ally and pumping money into a kleptocracy like Ukraine?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:21 PM (3Gtis)

239 "You get a forever war! And you get a forever war! You in the back? You get a forever war! The ushers? They get a forever war! Everybody gets a forever war!"

Posted by: The Tatters of the America First Movement at October 16, 2023 04:21 PM (NfF+F)

240 Joetato thinks endless warS will keep him from being impeached.

"I'm the first President since Trump to not get impeached. Not lying. My word as a Biden."

Posted by: torabora at October 16, 2023 04:21 PM (UuvCw)

241

MSNSDAP . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 16, 2023 04:21 PM (x0n13)

242 "Error?"
-Politicians
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:20 PM (LvTSG)
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Yes, error. At first. Then it became vested interest and the pursuit of known-bad policies.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 04:21 PM (d04cU)

243 Trey Yingst has been doing a great job reporting on
the Israeli massacre horror. So much so that you have Leftist Hamas sympathizers denying what he was showing was true claiming he was reporting from his backyard.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 16, 2023 04:22 PM (NpAcC)

244 {242}

MSNSDAP . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 16, 2023 04:21 PM (x0n13)

I may have to steal that, J.J. That's... spot on.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 16, 2023 04:22 PM (qPw5n)

245 Levin did get the tagline MSLSD correct.

But he's a toxic train wreck now.

Posted by: torabora at October 16, 2023 04:22 PM (UuvCw)

246 MSNSDAP

Oohh good one, alas those brain dead bubbleheads in front of the cameras will never get the reference.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (paHRY)

247 Harry, can we say Hamas is a savage terrorist government or are the risks of us "getting involved" too high if we merely speak the obvious truth?

Do we have to do the "both sides" thing MSNBC favors to "avoid another war in the middle east"?

And when have we ever sent troops to defend Israel? What is the precedent for this particular fear? Israel doesn't join our military operations and we don't join theirs. What is all the bleating that this will suddenly change?

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (KRtlO)

248 If China invades Canada with millions of ground troops, that's obviously a much different story than inserting ourselves in every dispute around the globe.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (mj0Qp)
Maybe, but I would be tempted to "Warsaw" the situation for a while.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (pohLc)

249 Vivek, your 15 min are up.

********

"Sod off, Swamy!"

Posted by: Muldoon at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (l4B/J)

250 When they start saying "We must not even offer RHETORICAL SUPPORT TO ISRAEL! The RISKS OF STRONG LANGUAGE ARE TOO HIGH!," I start wondering, what is really going on here?

Suddenly mere TALK is too much "intervention" for these guys?
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (KRtlO)

Well, I don't care about rhetoric I guess, beyond the fact that the same people who were flying Ukranian flags and had yard signs saying "I stand with Ukraine" and talking about the Ghost of Kiev, and Putin eating babies or whatever are now doing the same thing with Israel.

It's unsettling watching propaganda work that quickly.

Thirty seconds ago, they couldn't put to Ukraine on a map. Now they're voting to send billions "to Ukraine" (via the Bidens and half of DC, obviously. Big Guy's gotta get his cut) and everyone who wasn't trying to one up each other about how much they love ukraine is a putin stooge.

And now we're watching the same thing with israel.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (mj0Qp)

251 Christians Ministers are always saying that their boss is a Jewish Carpenter

Posted by: SMOD at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (RHGPo)

252 Andrea Mitchell is a monster. And she looks like one, too.
Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:06 PM (llS7k)

I might send her a couple Swedish football jerseys.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2023 04:24 PM (uSHSS)

253 These two things can both be simultaneously true:

1) Our government is corrupt, and should not be trusted. It should be seen now as an entity that actively wishes us harm.

2) There are legitimately evil people / regimes outside of our borders that wish us harm.

The difficulty is reconciling the two. Unfortunately, this is only one symptom of the loss of institutional trust (completely warranted) as a result of the Trump / Covid information wars.

There is not a good answer other than full counter-revolution and domestic restoration of trustworthy institutions. I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 16, 2023 04:24 PM (5C4od)

254

> 2: We should not send arms to Ukraine. Because that will lead to sending troops to Ukraine, and that will start WWIII.

We've been sending arms to Ukraine since the 2010s and no WWIII has broken out. No US troops are serving in Ukraine after nearly a decade of arms supplies. If the current war between Ukraine and Russia is WWIII... then this is a great way for the US to reduce Russia to irrelevance.

NOT sending arms to Urkaine, allowing Russia to conquer it, seems a more likely way to start WWIII.

Posted by: comradearthur at October 16, 2023 04:24 PM (ttOM0)

255 You almost have to feel sorry for little boy Volodymyr Zelenskyy. His Ukrainian war-grift operation is suddenly yesterday's news. Even Israel has given him the "talk to the hand" reception and nixed his visit. Not that that the capitol city's political denizens would remotely consider reducing their "funding" of his little tantrum in order to support an age old ally.

Someone should send him flowers.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 16, 2023 04:24 PM (Q4IgG)

256 Joetato favorite line:

"My son did nothing wrong."

Posted by: torabora at October 16, 2023 04:24 PM (UuvCw)

257 Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:18 PM (KRtlO)

Ace...I don't think that The Geneva Convention provides any protections for terrorists, or people who are not fighting for a sovereign nation and not in uniform.

I recall something about summary execution on the field of battle....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:24 PM (3Gtis)

258 My personal favorite solution is about a 1/4 mile DMZ. Level everything a 1/4 out from the current border. Won't stop the missiles. But it'll stop any kind of human incursion. Stop any immigration from Gaza, even for day labor, while you're at it. Won't fix everything. But it'll fix some things.
Posted by: I'll Make This Easy at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (Q9QhG)

So, a North Korea/South Korea solution...not a bad one to have a DMZ...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 16, 2023 04:24 PM (exHjb)

259 Well Beau is dead, now about Hunter Joey

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 04:25 PM (paHRY)

260 >>>And now we're watching the same thing with israel.

we've been giving aid and selling weapons, like the Iron Dome defensive missile system, to Israel for decades. You want to stop that now? Has the risk suddenly increased? Based on what?

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:25 PM (KRtlO)

261 259 Ace...I don't think that The Geneva Convention provides any protections for terrorists, or people who are not fighting for a sovereign nation and not in uniform.

I recall something about summary execution on the field of battle....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:24 PM (3Gtis)

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The ICC will treat Israel like they're fighting uniformed troops, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:25 PM (LvTSG)

262 Crap. Ignore post 256. I should have read one more paragraph.

Posted by: comradearthur at October 16, 2023 04:25 PM (ttOM0)

263 Vivek, your 15 min are up.

********

"Sod off, Swamy!"
Posted by: Muldoon at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (l4B/J)
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Way down along the Swamy River!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2023 04:25 PM (uSHSS)

264 Putin could have tried to thread the needle or made an ambiguous statement. He is very politically savvy and knows what he is doing. If the Russian government is backing the barbarians, I am no longer interested.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 16, 2023 04:17 PM (d04cU)

I think twice he pulled back because he had an agreement from the Ukrainians for talks, the first time his envoy was killed and the second time Boris Johnson went and talked to Zelenskii. This could be a mistake on my part, but it does match with timing.

I heard an argument the other day claiming that the basic root of all wars has been in balance of payment and banking debt redemptions. When countries can't make the payments on or clear international debts, the wars follow soon. I don't know if it mean that you don't fight a war with people who can still make debt payments because you lose the payments, or if there is nothing to hold back from taking on a country that owes you and can't pay.

I am trying to falsify that argument now

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2023 04:26 PM (xhaym)

265 *firebombs all of Japan anyway*
-America
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (LvTSG)

"It's DIFFERENT when we do it."

Also f*** Imperial Japan.

Japan declared that ALL Japanese were combatants. Women and children would carry bamboo spears.

I'm not happy that children got firebombed or nuked, but they made the rules. They should think more deeply next time.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:26 PM (I/Qkd)

266 And now we're watching the same thing with israel.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (mj0Qp)

Wow...that straw-man is huge! You should put it on your lawn for Halloween.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:26 PM (3Gtis)

267 If you have a DMZ you must put landmines in there. Plus will need seismic sensors and microphones to detect tunneling.

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 04:26 PM (paHRY)

268 On a related note, your Feel Good Video of the Day:

https://tinyurl.com/574p84ut

Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:27 PM (m9hmt)

269 And we ask because we truly want Jews to have everlasting life, not because we hate them or their beliefs. We're just evil that way.
Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:11 PM (llS7k)

Read your comment twice and it just asserted my reasons for not being mainstream religious.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 16, 2023 04:27 PM (BdMk6)

270 If China invades Canada with millions of ground troops, that's obviously a much different story than inserting ourselves in every dispute around the globe.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Maybe, but I would be tempted to "Warsaw" the situation for a while.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

Barbarino the situation.
Who? Where? What?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 16, 2023 04:27 PM (Y2tls)

271 "Yeah, well, Hitler was raised Catholic. So, check and mate."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (LvTSG)

St. Maximilian Kolbe and St. Edith Stein are... skeptical.

Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:27 PM (llS7k)

272 Harry, can we say Hamas is a savage terrorist government or are the risks of us "getting involved" too high if we merely speak the obvious truth?

Do we have to do the "both sides" thing MSNBC favors to "avoid another war in the middle east"?

And when have we ever sent troops to defend Israel? What is the precedent for this particular fear? Israel doesn't join our military operations and we don't join theirs. What is all the bleating that this will suddenly change?

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (KRtlO)

1) Sure.
2) No, but some historical context isn't a terrible idea. It's not like this popped out of nowhere ten minutes ago.
3) Well, the rhetoric coming from the talking heads ("THIS IS ISRAELS 911!" "THIS IS A MODERN DAY HOLOCAUST!" "THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY TIME IN THE PAST!"), not to mention US politicians saying "boots on the ground is not off the table" (paraphrasing) does seem to suggest that it's a possibility that US troops will be on the ground. In fact, I suspect we already have "advisors" there, just like we did in Ukraine.

But again, this isn't really about Israel, per se, it's about the endless wars.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:28 PM (mj0Qp)

273 Back when I was in college our hiking included swallowing goldfish, stuffing ourselves in phone booths and beheading Jewish babies.

Twenty three skidoo!

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 16, 2023 04:28 PM (nnp+f)

274 Vivek Ramaswamy college student comments.

Vivek is finally showing himself as being nothing more than a skin suit conservative with a steamer trunk full of talking points. Vivek's argument that these college students are misguided youths is hogwash. They were flat out advocating that Israel is an illegal terrorist apartheid state that deserves maximum decolonization by Hamas and the raping and murdering was nothing more than a first payment on the reparations bill. Vivek is as fit to be president to the same degree that Mayor Pete is fit to be president. Vivek's campaign is over though it's going to take him another few months to understand that.

Posted by: Lost in Space at October 16, 2023 04:29 PM (jPBfX)

275 Reading the Judge for DJT's trial is trying to shut down and talk about the trial

Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2023 04:29 PM (fwDg9)

276 Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:27 PM (m9hmt)

For some real chuckles, find the video of the Israeli navy sinking a Hamas boat, then picking off the survivors.

Yes...I watched it twice!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:29 PM (3Gtis)

277 >We've been sending arms to Ukraine since the 2010s and no WWIII has broken out.

Just tons of Ukrainians and Russians dying for no good reason.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at October 16, 2023 04:30 PM (C9XVS)

278 I hope Israel does not soften. This kinder gentler shit does not work with these sub humans. Flatten it and go from there.
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 16, 2023 04:16 PM (GwxCX)
......

They've already gone flaccid. Should have struck while the iron was hot. By now the hostages are impossible to find, and HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.
I am prepared to disappointed be.

Posted by: wth at October 16, 2023 04:30 PM (v0R5T)

279 Back when I was in college our hiking included swallowing goldfish, stuffing ourselves in phone booths and beheading Jewish babies.

Twenty three skidoo!
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 16, 2023 04:28 PM (nnp+f)

Look, Zhukov. Those of us who have read Soviet history know that you were too impoverished to have goldfish, phone booths, or even one skidoo, let alone twenty-three.

The beheading Jewish babies thing, though....yeah, that sounds plausible.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:30 PM (m9hmt)

280 269 If you have a DMZ you must put landmines in there. Plus will need seismic sensors and microphones to detect tunneling.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 16, 2023 04:26 PM (paHRY)

Well that's just science

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (xcxpd)

281 There is going to be a literal war to end all war in Israel some day.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (DBek0)

282 We've been sending arms to Ukraine since the 2010s and no WWIII has broken out.

Just tons of Ukrainians and Russians dying for no good reason.

The Ukes seem to disagree with you.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (I/Qkd)

283 we've been giving aid and selling weapons, like the Iron Dome defensive missile system, to Israel for decades. You want to stop that now? Has the risk suddenly increased? Based on what?
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:25 PM (KRtlO)

The best time to plant a tree is 50 years ago, the second best time is today.

We can't even secure our own fucking border, yet we're providing billions of dollars in aid to Israel, a relatively wealthy and successful country, to protect their borders?

Like I understand there's a difference between rockets coming over the border and fentanyl and millions of uneducated economic refugees (or whatever we're calling them these days) coming across the border, but ...

Am I taking crazy pills here?

It seems the only time our country cares about anything is when it's making people rich by selling weapons / sending money to wars across the globe.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (mj0Qp)

284 I don't know if it mean that you don't fight a war with people who can still make debt payments because you lose the payments, or if there is nothing to hold back from taking on a country that owes you and can't pay.

I am trying to falsify that argument now
Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2023 04:26 PM (xhaym)

Knight Templars. Destroyed an entire order because the King of France, owed them too much money. This is nothing new.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (QPmu4)

285 The degree of outrage on the notionally Right and Right-Leaning Blogs, as well as alleged GOP Presidential campaigns regarding the most egregious violation of the Constitution in our lifetimes - the Trump gag order, is a litmus test.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (xaNfJ)

286 That's not me!!!

This is me!
https://tinyurl.com/yxdhrze6

Posted by: Pawl at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (krqg6)

287 184 "Yeah, well, Hitler was raised Catholic. So, check and mate."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (LvTSG)

All the Gay and Troon Communists on X and BlueSky use that line all the damned time.

Posted by: XTC at October 16, 2023 04:32 PM (sm6Pk)

288 Suddenly mere TALK is too much "intervention" for these guys?
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:19 PM (KRtlO)

I dunno, two side with knives at each others' throats, and if we get involved our government will resettle Palis here in the US like they were Kurds or Vietnamese.
You know, because we have an obligation to be involved and Israel is our long tested ally.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2023 04:32 PM (xhaym)

289 nothing more than a first payment on the reparations bill. Vivek is as fit to be president to the same degree that Mayor Pete is fit to be president. Vivek's campaign is over though it's going to take him another few months to understand that.
Posted by: Lost in Space

Alfred E. Buttjudge is sitting pretty atop an executive agency. Don't see the downside for Slippery Swamy.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 16, 2023 04:32 PM (IG4Id)

290 For some real chuckles, find the video of the Israeli navy sinking a Hamas boat, then picking off the survivors.

Yes...I watched it twice!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

I have to admit, I love happy endings.

FMF Corpsman - "Sir, those are survivable wounds."

1LT - "Nah, he isn't going to make it."

Posted by: Tonypete at October 16, 2023 04:32 PM (J47y1)

291 289 184 "Yeah, well, Hitler was raised Catholic. So, check and mate."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:12 PM (LvTSG)

All the Gay and Troon Communists on X and BlueSky use that line all the damned time.
Posted by: XTC at October 16, 2023 04:32 PM (sm6Pk)

=======

Never mind his abandonment of religion and embrace of socialism as an adult.

What matters is that when he was 8 he went to church regularly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:33 PM (LvTSG)

292 >>>Vivek is finally showing himself as being nothing more than a skin suit conservative with a steamer trunk full of talking points.

yeah everything he says is an NPC prompt.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:33 PM (KRtlO)

293 I was at a weekend event with hubby's family. The females in the group are very leftist.

I was heartened to hear them, one and all, express support for Israel, condemn Hamas and terrorists in general, and voice their concerns over "who knows who coming over our borders".

They are starting to get some clues that daily View watching is not dislodging.

There is hope!

Posted by: Just Lily at October 16, 2023 04:33 PM (x+zic)

294 3) Well, the rhetoric coming from the talking heads ("THIS IS ISRAELS 911!" "THIS IS A MODERN DAY HOLOCAUST!" "THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY TIME IN THE PAST!"), not to mention US politicians saying "boots on the ground is not off the table" (paraphrasing) does seem to suggest that it's a possibility that US troops will be on the ground. In fact, I suspect we already have "advisors" there, just like we did in Ukraine.

But again, this isn't really about Israel, per se, it's about the endless wars.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:28 PM (mj0Q

My son (then US Army) was there in 2015, alongside Israeli defense forces, clearing Hamas tunnels.

Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:33 PM (llS7k)

295 294 >>>Vivek is finally showing himself as being nothing more than a skin suit conservative with a steamer trunk full of talking points.

yeah everything he says is an NPC prompt.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at October 16, 2023 04:33 PM (KRtlO)

========

95% of politicians are like this.

Prove me wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:33 PM (LvTSG)

296 Picking a side in Russia vs. Ukraine is like picking your favorite taste of asshole.
---------
Taylor Swift!!!

Posted by: Pawl at October 16, 2023 04:34 PM (krqg6)

297 295 I was at a weekend event with hubby's family. The females in the group are very leftist.

I was heartened to hear them, one and all, express support for Israel, condemn Hamas and terrorists in general, and voice their concerns over "who knows who coming over our borders".

They are starting to get some clues that daily View watching is not dislodging.

There is hope!
Posted by: Just Lily at October 16, 2023 04:33 PM (x+zic)

========

The correct response is to yell at them for supporting imperialism, that any thought of closing the border for any reason makes them MAGA, and that they should be so ashamed that they should go get a booster as penance.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:34 PM (LvTSG)

298 I have an intellectual problem with that because we've been sending arms to groups fighting Russia for 80 years and it hasn't provoked WWIII yet. And Russia and Putin have been arming and training terrorists for all that time, and we haven't nuked Moscow.

So what's changed now?

Well, for starters, it's not the Soviet Union and hasn't been for three decades or so and we are not locked in an existential cold war being prosecuted through proxies. The idea that we should continue having the same foreign policy against Russia forever because it's Russia is weird. At some point, you have to wonder what NATO's actual mission is anymore. Because I don't see one beyond institutional self-preservation and inertia. And even if one is a hawk or pro-US involvement abroad (I'm not in either camp), devoting all this attention and resources to Russia is a counterproductive distraction that detracts from readiness.

Posted by: When we get drug into war, it's not going to be with Russia. at October 16, 2023 04:34 PM (ppBhU)

299 *scratches Ramaswammy from short list*
*spits on floor*

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 16, 2023 04:34 PM (l10hq)

300 Picking a side in Russia vs. Ukraine is like picking your favorite taste of asshole.
---------
Taylor Swift!!!

Gonna have to pass on this one

Posted by: Mayor Pete Bootyjizz at October 16, 2023 04:34 PM (XqcwY)

301 Stalin was a Seminary student.

Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2023 04:35 PM (fwDg9)

302 Wow...that straw-man is huge! You should put it on your lawn for Halloween.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:26 PM (3Gtis)

Howso?

Two third world countries that aren't particularly important to American interests being involved with regional, ethnic conflicts that go back hundreds or thousands of years.

And the only common denominator is people in DC are getting rich off the graft and arms sales.

How does that help middle class americans? Or any American who is not tied in to the DC grift machine?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:35 PM (mj0Qp)

303 I agree with your very well articulated position on Russia and Ukraine, Ace. Russia isn't out friend and hasn't been for some time. Let's leave the Russian people on the side for a minute and say, Putinist Russia, also remembering they voted for him in large numbers. O don't want to fight another war in Ukraine, but I have very small issues with sending them arms or money. It's how the games been played for a long time, as you say. We send tons of money to many places that won't do as much good. It's degrading Russia's ability to wage war in other places. That includes the Middle East. Why do you think Russia is now on the Me Too Palestinian Bandwagon. But I'm also sick of the tropes about endless wars and the defense establishment. If you believe that some wars, conflicts or our arms supplies make sense in some places, then this blanket slogan campaign is disingenuous.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 16, 2023 04:35 PM (eacmp)

304 No! No! No!
Greg Price
@greg_price11

Democrat Rep. Brad Sherman:

“I could see George W. Bush serving as Speaker of the House. He could come back."

https://tinyurl.com/2s4azzr6

Posted by: redridinghood at October 16, 2023 04:35 PM (NpAcC)

305 The degree of outrage on the notionally Right and Right-Leaning Blogs, as well as alleged GOP Presidential campaigns regarding the most egregious violation of the Constitution in our lifetimes - the Trump gag order, is a litmus test.
Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (xaNfJ)

Has anyone posted the actual order? I'd like to see it.

Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:35 PM (llS7k)

306 I generally like Ramaswamy but...

The reason Mutually Assured Destruction works is because it's Mutual. It sounds like he doesn't understand that.

Posted by: Darth Randall at October 16, 2023 04:35 PM (f1kZG)

307 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (mj0Qp)

Israel does not need our troops... they need supplies and International political cover... They need us in their corner, not in the ring with them IMO.

now... all the other places we have troops? Niger? Iraq? Syria? GERMANY??? WTF?

We have between 160,000 and 170,000 US troops deployed in foreign countries.... NOT ONE ON OUR OWN FUCKING BORDER.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 16, 2023 04:36 PM (QPmu4)

308 Democrat Rep. Brad Sherman:

“I could see George W. Bush serving as Speaker of the House. He could come back."

Then: Shrub is LITERALLY HITLER

Now: Trump is LITERALLY HITLER unlike that reasonable Bush guy

Posted by: The left at October 16, 2023 04:36 PM (XqcwY)

309 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:35 PM (mj0Qp)

Aide to Ukraine is orders of magnitude more than aide to Israel.

We get a huge amount back from Israel in terms of technology, military data and intelligence etc.

Israel is a staunch ally of ours...unlike Ukraine.

The differences are pretty obvious.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 16, 2023 04:37 PM (3Gtis)

310 On a related note, your Feel Good Video of the Day:

https://tinyurl.com/574p84ut
Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:27 PM (m9hmt)
........

It did brighten up my afternoon.
Thanks.

Posted by: wth at October 16, 2023 04:37 PM (v0R5T)

311 302 Stalin was a Seminary student.
Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2023 04:35 PM (fwDg9)

You might mention that he was forced to be there, he hated Seminary, and was booted. Not there as a servant of God.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2023 04:37 PM (pohLc)

312 The humorous thing is that Vivek also thinks that the government should not be involved in the hiring and firing decisions of businesses, especially in his opposition of DEI and the rest. So this is either pretty moot, or he has lied for decades.

I HATE HIM BECAUSE HE ESPOUSES MY OPINION!!!

is no way to go through life.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 16, 2023 04:37 PM (xhaym)

313 "We can't even secure our own fucking border, "

I think you meant to say, won't. It's a choice by the administration in charge. Big difference.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 16, 2023 04:37 PM (eacmp)

314 "Twenty years ago we (most of us, anyway) were far, far too bellicose and war-fevered and had much, much too much trust in the cadre of pampered incompetents in the Regime leadership class."

I'm going to have to cop to that, Your Honor. Still have my doubts about bailing out Uncle Joey's 24-Hour Money Laundry and Ukrainian Potato Bar, though.

Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma at October 16, 2023 04:37 PM (a9CYf)

315 Meanwhile, he also opined that GOPers supporting Israel are doing so due to "money." He did not specify who was giving them that money, but I think we can connect the breadcrumbs.

I followed the money and it went to Iran...oh that was money from Biden and Obama. Sorry.

Posted by: FIB Redactions Group at October 16, 2023 04:38 PM (ynpvh)

316 3 Ds of Antisemitism:

Delegitimization
Demonization
And my favorite, Double Standard

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:38 PM (hht4k)

317 Israel does not need our troops... they need supplies and International political cover... They need us in their corner, not in the ring with them IMO.

now... all the other places we have troops? Niger? Iraq? Syria? GERMANY??? WTF?

We have between 160,000 and 170,000 US troops deployed in foreign countries.... NOT ONE ON OUR OWN FUCKING BORDER.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 16, 2023 04:36 PM (QPmu4)

Well, that's my point. We spend unknown billions every year. Who knows where that money (OUR money, let's not forget) is going and for what purpose.

All we do know is that everyone goes in to DC with no money, and comes out multi millionaires.

And we have a new enemy de jour every few years, although that's been escalating to seemingly a new enemy every month or so.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:38 PM (mj0Qp)

318 316 3 Ds of Antisemitism:

Delegitimization
Demonization
And my favorite, Double Standard

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:38 PM (hht4k)

========

3Ds is one too many.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:38 PM (LvTSG)

319 Well, the rhetoric coming from the talking heads ("THIS IS ISRAELS 911!" "THIS IS A MODERN DAY HOLOCAUST!" "THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN ANY TIME IN THE PAST!")

It's not often you get to watch, in real time, groups from one side walk through the streets and shoot the unarmed civilians from the other side for about four to eight hours with impunity. Take prisoners. Rape women.

Usually you read and imagine. Like in the Killing Fields. Communist China. The worst of 'Nam. The Eastern Front in WW II.

But, nope. This time we saw it. Doesn't matter to me what Israel did wrong, and they have done some wrong, and continue to do dumb. Nothing Israel did justified what we saw. Not a damn thing. This is as close to one nation right, and one nation wrong, as you're ever going to get.

Posted by: I'll Make This Easy at October 16, 2023 04:39 PM (Q9QhG)

320 I view the Ukraine Russia war as a nasty regional fight over territory and who gets to control the vodka distilleries there. As for the arguments, if Russia isn't stopped in Ukraine, they're going to end up in Paris is just stupid and us spending billions of dollars to prop up the Ukrainians is a fancy money laundering scheme whose goal is to enrich the oligarchs there. If anybody should be propping up the Ukrainians it should be the EU which unsurprisingly doesn't seem to be much of a priority to them.

Posted by: Lost in Space at October 16, 2023 04:39 PM (jPBfX)

321
The Great Unmasking continues. This time Hebrew-style!

Vivek just flushed his chances.

His Halloween Frolic as a conservative is over.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 16, 2023 04:39 PM (QzZeQ)

322 Posted by: Marcus T at October 16, 2023 04:35 PM (eacmp)

I was in the Cold War. I've never been actually threatened personally by a Russian. I have been shot at by Moslems. This tends to skew my opinion just a bit.

The question becomes, is Putin actually our enemy, or, by declaring him an enemy for the last 30 years, have we created one.

Note, for all our blathering about Russian interference in our elections, their is STILL Radio America, broadcasting OUR Propaganda, into Russia, paid for by the US Taxpayer.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 16, 2023 04:39 PM (QPmu4)

323 It goes deeper than just the grift. It is really about NATO eastward expansion. Georgia and Ukraine were red lines to Putin, he said it often, and the west kept pushing for including both Georgia and Ukraine. Putin has invaded both.

His invasion of Georgia didn't lead to a larger invasion of Europe and neither will Ukraine.
Posted by: JackStraw

Even Poland, who loathes and fears Russia, has had about enough of Ukraine.
The question of Ukraine is much different than a range of support to Israel. A lot of our involvement over the years with Ukraine is related to the grift and graft that is taking place. Seen Hunter, Joe, and many more.
And with respect to a war in Gaza, Israel should not ask their soldiers to do inhuman things, because it diminishes them as people. War and invasion to kill of Hamas is one thing. Indiscriminate killing of civilians by Israel is likely part of the strategy of Hamas in starting this, to draw in the other Arab nations bordering Israel. They want a wider war.

Posted by: A face in the crowd...... at October 16, 2023 04:40 PM (vcOmj)

324 US troops will be on the ground. In fact, I suspect we already have "advisors" there, just like we did in Ukraine.

But again, this isn't really about Israel, per se, it's about the endless wars.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:28 PM (mj0Q
***

We had better have a very good team on the ground now working with the Embassy to flesh out the evacuation plan. This won't be easy.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2023 04:40 PM (uSHSS)

325 313 "We can't even secure our own fucking border, "

I think you meant to say, won't. It's a choice by the administration in charge. Big difference.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 16, 2023 04:37 PM (eacmp)

I'm reminded of a discussion of opposites.

The opposite of Murder is NOT not-to-murder; that's the
neutral position. The opposite is to save lives.

Same with the border. Won't is neutral; what this admin is doing is actively sabotaging the border.

Posted by: FIB Redactions Group at October 16, 2023 04:40 PM (ynpvh)

326 I look at Ukraine a little different than some, I guess, since it is pretty obvious now that Russia is no threat to Poland. Putin made a hellacious error invading, when he could have written a big check to Zelensky and accomplished his ostensible purpose (an overland supply route for Sevastopol). Instead, he chose the 20th century path of invasion. Loser.

That said, it's equally obvious the Nuland-led CIA created this mess by screwing around in Ukraine.

And that (Victoria Nuland and her acolytes) is the real threat to world peace and American national security. Not Putin.

Supplying Ukraine is a mugs game, given the corruption there. But, sure, deplete our weapons stockpiles fueling a meat-grinder war in Europe. We probably won't need them.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2023 04:41 PM (FUAJd)

327 Swami mo ramaswami might just want to drop out now.
Not that the pretender ever had a chance.

Posted by: Reforger at October 16, 2023 04:41 PM (eDJyo)

328 "The test is intended to draw the line between on one hand legitimate criticism of the State of Israel, its actions and policies, and on the other hand antisemitism hidden behind a facade of anti-Zionism.[The three Ds test is intended to rebut arguments that "any criticism toward the State of Israel is considered antisemitic, and therefore legitimate criticism is silenced and ignored."

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:41 PM (hht4k)

329 318 316 3 Ds of Antisemitism:

Delegitimization
Demonization
And my favorite, Double Standard

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:38 PM (hht4k)

========

3Ds is one too many.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:38 PM (LvTSG)

Sounds like that hooker from "Total Recall"...

Posted by: FIB Redactions Group at October 16, 2023 04:41 PM (ynpvh)

330 Well, for starters, it's not the Soviet Union and hasn't been for three decades or so and we are not locked in an existential cold war being prosecuted through proxies. The idea that we should continue having the same foreign policy against Russia forever because it's Russia is weird. At some point, you have to wonder what NATO's actual mission is anymore.

NATO was a method for collective defense against Soviet (really Russian) aggression. It still is.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:41 PM (I/Qkd)

331 310 On a related note, your Feel Good Video of the Day:

https://tinyurl.com/574p84ut
Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:27 PM (m9hmt)
........

It did brighten up my afternoon.
Thanks.
Posted by: wth at October

Hahahahahahaha.

Posted by: Wile E Coyote at October 16, 2023 04:41 PM (u3Wzc)

332 281 There is going to be a literal war to end all war in Israel some day.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM
A war that will surprise everybody except those who have been reading Revelation.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2023 04:42 PM (NxC5+)

333 All we do know is that everyone goes in to DC with no money, and comes out multi millionaires.

And we have a new enemy de jour every few years, although that's been escalating to seemingly a new enemy every month or so.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 16, 2023 04:38 PM (mj0Qp)

When people find out I'm a Vet, they usually do the 'thank you for your service' thing.

I sometimes come back with 'want to thank this Veteran? Go punch a politician'. They usually chuckle..

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 16, 2023 04:42 PM (QPmu4)

334 "Posted by: Romeo13 at October 16, 2023 04:39 PM (QPmu4)"

I don't necessarily disagree. I truly believe there are bigger threats than Russia. What I've learned over the years is while we probably have some big disagreements, but we probably have more in common with the average Russian then we do a lot of other people. We should be talking to them where our interests align, while continuing the dance of vigilance.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 16, 2023 04:43 PM (eacmp)

335 Well, Putin is against Globohomo, and for Christians and Russians. Yeah, I support him rather than a guy who plays the piano with his dong.

Its a long held policy preference of mine. If you can't keep your little friend in your pants while being recorded, you don't get my vote.

I'm queer that way.

Posted by: Eric2 at October 16, 2023 04:43 PM (o95M5)

336 The question becomes, is Putin actually our enemy, or, by declaring him an enemy for the last 30 years, have we created one.

Note, for all our blathering about Russian interference in our elections, their is STILL Radio America, broadcasting OUR Propaganda, into Russia, paid for by the US Taxpayer.
Posted by: Romeo13

My personal take on all this is that Putin is a rather corrupt autocrat, doing a lot of stuff against the wealthy dissenters in Russia, stealing their money. And I think he is part of the WEF plan, and they want both sides playing off this. The war is quite real, and real people are getting killed, but I think it is a political "op" to draw us in and help break the dollar, globally. Putin has adopted a social credit score for his country, a WEF agenda item.
And as bad as Putin might be, I think Zelenskyy is worse.

Posted by: A face in the crowd...... at October 16, 2023 04:43 PM (vcOmj)

337 105 For at least 3 days after the massacre, FOX News, just like MSNBC, was ALSO reporting "combined" casualties-- Israeli & Palestinian/Hamas combined into 1 number.
Posted by: mnw at October 16, 2023 04:02 PM

That's not what I saw.

Posted by: Moonbeam at October 16, 2023 04:44 PM (rbKZ6)

338 331 310 On a related note, your Feel Good Video of the Day:

https://tinyurl.com/574p84ut
Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:27 PM (m9hmt)
........

It did brighten up my afternoon.
Thanks.
Posted by: wth at October

Hahahahahahaha.

Posted by: Wile E Coyote at October 16, 2023 04:41 PM (u3Wzc)

Oka, Who's Next!

Posted by: FIB Redactions Group at October 16, 2023 04:44 PM (ynpvh)

339 With some people it's always about boobs..,

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:44 PM (hht4k)

340 296 Picking a side in Russia vs. Ukraine is like picking your favorite taste of asshole.
---------
Taylor Swift!!!
Posted by: Pawl at October 16, 2023 04

The power of and!

Posted by: Steve croft at October 16, 2023 04:44 PM (u3Wzc)

341 310 On a related note, your Feel Good Video of the Day:

https://tinyurl.com/574p84ut
Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:27 PM (m9hmt)

Irritated me. At least 6 standing targets and they only killed one? Send that sniper an automatic with a 30 round magazine.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2023 04:44 PM (pohLc)

342 "There is going to be a literal war to end all war in Israel some day.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM
A war that will surprise everybody except those who have been reading Revelation.
Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2023 04:42 PM (NxC5+)"

That doesn't mean we have to encourage it.

Immanetizing the eschaton is for lazy people who don't want to do the work of day-to-day Christian living.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 16, 2023 04:45 PM (ou9hh)

343 With some people it's always about boobs..,
Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:44 PM (hht4k)

Link???

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2023 04:45 PM (uSHSS)

344 Then: Shrub is LITERALLY HITLER

Now: Trump is LITERALLY HITLER unlike that reasonable Bush guy
---
What's fun is the liberal Republicans in the House are more bothered that the base won't agree Trump is Hitler than by the fact that their friends spent 8 years calling their guy Hitler.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2023 04:45 PM (rCzAN)

345 >>>The Ukes seem to disagree with you.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (I/Qkd)

You think the Ukrainian cause is righteous? I sympathize with their desire to be an independent state, but that sympathy ends where neo-Nazi parties and ethnic Russian lands begin.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at October 16, 2023 04:45 PM (C9XVS)

346 Indiscriminate killing of civilians by Israel is likely part of the strategy of Hamas in starting this, to draw in the other Arab nations bordering Israel. They want a wider war.
Posted by: A face in the crowd...... at October 16, 2023 04:40 PM (vcOmj)
---
It may not work this time. I suspect the other Arab nations would be OK with Gaza being completely wiped out because it's not worth the hassle to get up in arms over their plight. They're losers on the global stage. Sucks to be them, but the Gazans made their choice. They chose...poorly.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2023 04:45 PM (YIVH2)

347 I'll say this. The events in Israel have certainly reshuffled the deck in terms of the ideological positions people had staked out.

I've spent the last year or so trashing and mocking the endless war endless blank checks for Ukraine Team and noting that as a pragmatic matter it's best to work for some sort of negotiated settlement at this point because we're currently at the fix bayonets and charge the trenches portion of the conflict with no end in sight.

Now I'm getting likes from Ukraine Flag Bios for pushing for the eradication of the nihilist savages of Hamas without much empathy for the poor Fakeastinians caught in the middle. It's weird.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 16, 2023 04:45 PM (OZjDX)

348 My personal favorite solution is about a 1/4 mile DMZ. Level everything a 1/4 out from the current border. Won't stop the missiles. But it'll stop any kind of human incursion. Stop any immigration from Gaza, even for day labor, while you're at it. Won't fix everything. But it'll fix some things.
Posted by: I'll Make This Easy at October 16, 2023 04:23 PM (Q9QhG)
________________

Now do our southern border.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 16, 2023 04:45 PM (YqDXo)

349 I look at Ukraine a little different than some, I guess, since it is pretty obvious now that Russia is no threat to Poland. Putin made a hellacious error invading, when he could have written a big check to Zelensky and accomplished his ostensible purpose (an overland supply route for Sevastopol). Instead, he chose the 20th century path of invasion. Loser.

Then why is Poland increasing it's military spending to 4% of GDP? The Baltics are also increasing their spending to 3% of GDP.

When the people closest to the threat treat it like a threat, I tend to think it's a threat.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:46 PM (I/Qkd)

350 But, nope. This time we saw it. Doesn't matter to me what Israel did wrong, and they have done some wrong, and continue to do dumb. Nothing Israel did justified what we saw. Not a damn thing. This is as close to one nation right, and one nation wrong, as you're ever going to get.

yes

and honestly I think for some it was SO horrific, SO real, and SO clear ... that their cogdis sent them to their Happy Place instead

in the Happy Place Jews get what they deserve, according to some, it appears

You guys might remember that in the beginning of Russia's invasion and annexation of the formerly independent nation of Ukraine I was way on the side of "this is horrifying; this can't stand."

because I have dear friends from there whom I've known my whole life, who I trust. I haven't stopped supporting them personally, and I stay out of Ukraine threads in general, but my intense support was weakened by the odd behavior of Zelensky and the absolute shitshow that is US support of Ukraine. And by the fact that Ukrainians and Russians are fairly intertwined, despite Putin's aggression they didn't hate each other.

With Israel, my God. How clear do you need this to be?!?!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 16, 2023 04:46 PM (AcWfM)

351 Irritated me. At least 6 standing targets and they only killed one? Send that sniper an automatic with a 30 round magazine.
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Who needs 100 rounds in the chamber anyway?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2023 04:46 PM (rCzAN)

352 I have also come around to the view held by my better half that we should have nuked the stupid moon rock in SA on 9/12/2001 so everyone understood that the game was over and we were reverting back to the traditional western concept of total war. But I digress.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 16, 2023 04:46 PM (5C4od)

353 Usually you read and imagine. Like in the Killing Fields. Communist China. The worst of 'Nam. The Eastern Front in WW II.

But, nope. This time we saw it. Doesn't matter to me what Israel did wrong, and they have done some wrong, and continue to do dumb. Nothing Israel did justified what we saw. Not a damn thing. This is as close to one nation right, and one nation wrong, as you're ever going to get.
Posted by: I'll Make This Easy at October 16, 2023 04:39 PM (Q9QhG)

I used to think "This could never happen today- we're so much better now." But one look at the UW Red Square idiots or demonstrators in LA and NY made it pretty clear how people can justify the worst savagery.

Posted by: LASue at October 16, 2023 04:46 PM (llS7k)

354 The Ukes seem to disagree with you.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:31 PM (I/Qkd)

You think the Ukrainian cause is righteous?

I do.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (I/Qkd)

355 What I've learned over the years is while we probably have some big disagreements, but we probably have more in common with the average Russian then we do a lot of other people.

I've worked with them. They dislike their government about as much as I dislike mine. For most of the same reasons. The big difference is their older folks are not nearly as idealistic as ours.

Posted by: I'll Make This Easy at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (Q9QhG)

356 th
Posted by: I could have been first. at October 16, 2023 03:47 PM (ppBhU)

YOUR KEYBOARD HAS A LISP.

Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (T4tVD)

357 When the people closest to the threat treat it like a threat, I tend to think it's a threat.

Poland might be increasing spending but it's not really a threat. Rus couldn't take Ukraine they haven't got a chance in Hell at Poland.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (AcWfM)

358 Ramaswamy ... Pence ... Haley ... Christie ... land of the has-beens and never-wuzzers.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (YqDXo)

359 The Great Unmasking continues. This time Hebrew-style!

Vivek just flushed his chances.

His Halloween Frolic as a conservative is over.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 16, 2023 04:39 PM (QzZeQ)

I concur. But I've had my doubts about him for quite some time for reasons other than what he said about the Israeli conflict.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (BdMk6)

360 You think the Ukrainian cause is righteous?

I do as well, thank you Archimedes.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 16, 2023 04:48 PM (AcWfM)

361 Then again, why am I acting like the current Uke government is independent and not the result of a CIA coup? It's madness.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at October 16, 2023 04:48 PM (PZ5uW)

362 Quote tweet: Piers Morgan Uncensored @PiersUncensored 34m
"Are you seriously arguing with me that babies weren't killed?"

Piers Morgan clashes with Mohammed Hijab over the validity of pictures being posted online during the Israel-Hamas conflict.

Duncan Dee @duncandee 12m
It’s come to this…

Hamas itself has boasted about killing & abducting infants, children, women & men. There are videos of women who have clearly been raped being paraded in Gaza.

There is testimony from 1st responders & doctors of beheadings & chopped off limbs.

https://tinyurl.com/3474pa3e
1:47 minutes video interview

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 16, 2023 04:48 PM (krqg6)

363
Then why is Poland increasing it's military spending to 4% of GDP? The Baltics are also increasing their spending to 3% of GDP.

When the people closest to the threat treat it like a threat, I tend to think it's a threat.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:46 PM (I/Qkd)
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because it's prudent to be prepared, just as we should be. As in, don't send all our weapons stores to Ukraine. We probably won't need them, but maybe, we will.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2023 04:48 PM (FUAJd)

364 "Nothing Israel did justified what we saw. Not a damn thing. This is as close to one nation right, and one nation wrong, as you're ever going to get."

yes

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at October 16, 2023 04:48 PM (+vFC3)

365 YOUR KEYBOARD HAS A LISP.
Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (T4tVD)
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Hiya.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 16, 2023 04:49 PM (z5vMw)

366 When the people closest to the threat treat it like a threat, I tend to think it's a threat.

Poland might be increasing spending but it's not really a threat. Rus couldn't take Ukraine they haven't got a chance in Hell at Poland.

Without western support, Ukraine would now be a Russian satrapy. Poland doesn't want to have to rely entirely on us for their security.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 16, 2023 04:49 PM (I/Qkd)

367 Vivek is finally showing himself as being nothing more than a skin suit conservative with a steamer trunk full of talking points.

95% of politicians are like this.
Prove me wrong.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

That is inaccurate. But also correct, because what is true of 99.5% of something is also true of 95% of it.

Posted by: mikeski at October 16, 2023 04:49 PM (DgGvY)

368 Damage done, I guess...

@DailyClout 11m
Say Goodbye to the COVID-19 Vaccination Card. The CDC Has Stopped Printing Them.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 16, 2023 04:49 PM (IG4Id)

369 Poland has the strongest conventional armed forces in Europe. Their purchases from the SK are ginormous.

Posted by: mrp at October 16, 2023 04:49 PM (rj6Yv)

370
Hamas itself has boasted about killing & abducting infants, children, women & men. There are videos of women who have clearly been raped being paraded in Gaza.

There is testimony from 1st responders & doctors of beheadings & chopped off limbs.

https://tinyurl.com/3474pa3e
1:47 minutes video interview

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 16, 2023 04:48 PM (krqg6)

Still Not terrorism

Posted by: BBC at October 16, 2023 04:49 PM (ynpvh)

371 With some people it's always about boobs..,
Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:44 PM (hht4k)
.......

If women didn't want us to obsess over them they shouldn't have been stuffing them in our face from the minute we were born.

Posted by: wth at October 16, 2023 04:49 PM (v0R5T)

372 If Repub primary voters turn on Vivek, watch how quickly he turns on them.

Just a hunch.

Posted by: Muldoon at October 16, 2023 04:50 PM (l4B/J)

373 YOUR KEYBOARD HAS A LISP.
Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (T4tVD)

Mine doesn't. That would thuck!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2023 04:51 PM (uSHSS)

374 "I've worked with them. They dislike their government about as much as I dislike mine. For most of the same reasons. The big difference is their older folks are not nearly as idealistic as ours."

The average Russian just wants to live their life. They like a lot of the same things we do. The ones I've met love firearms and manly endeavors. They are largely devoted to their Christianity. They love their traditions and family.

Which is why liberal hate them.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 16, 2023 04:51 PM (eacmp)

375 Vivek would almost have a point if these Harvard assholes were merely members of some student group whose leadership had published the obscene opinions, and were being denied job offers (note, that hadn't actually been hired yet). But that's not what happened; not only were they members of these groups, but expressly put their signature to these opinions. I give wide latitude to people expressing their opinions, but at some point it goes too far. And expressing support for Hamas after their having just INTENTIONALLY murdered a bunch of men, women, children, and babies is just an example.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at October 16, 2023 04:51 PM (XMwZJ)

376 If Repub primary voters turn on Vivek, watch how quickly he turns on them.

Just a hunch.

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Agreed.

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:51 PM (hht4k)

377 We need Brian Stelter's take on this.

Posted by: teejuss at October 16, 2023 04:51 PM (eweni)

378 Cooling off out thar.

Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 04:51 PM (T4tVD)

379 373 YOUR KEYBOARD HAS A LISP.
Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (T4tVD)

Mine doesn't. That would thuck!

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2023 04:51 PM (uSHSS)

Maybe it identifies with the LGBT spectrum...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 04:52 PM (ynpvh)

380 378 Cooling off out thar.
Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 04:51 PM (T4tVD)

How's the birdbath?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 04:52 PM (xcxpd)

381 Ramaswamy, it's been 16 minutes, why are you still here?

Posted by: The Pretender at October 16, 2023 04:52 PM (7ycwL)

382 Irritated me. At least 6 standing targets and they only killed one? Send that sniper an automatic with a 30 round magazine.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2023 04:44 PM (pohLc)

It wasn't a sniper. The guy blew his head off, because, being educated on nothing but anti-Semitic hatred, he didn't know not to look down the barrel of his own gun when his finger's still on the trigger.

That was the joke.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:52 PM (m9hmt)

383 >>Without western support, Ukraine would now be a Russian satrapy. Poland doesn't want to have to rely entirely on us for their security.

Poland is a member of NATO, Ukraine isn't. NATO countries are bound by treaty to support Poland if it is attacked.

Ironically, we aren't bound to support Ukraine at all but that hasn't stopped us from borrowing billions from China and giving it to Ukraine.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2023 04:52 PM (ZLI7S)

384 Still Not terrorism
Posted by: BBC
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Mahyar Tousi @MahyarTousi 38m
Tonight, I witnessed something beautiful. I went to report the anti-BBC rally live from outside BBC HQ. This moment became my favourite. Israeli flags next to pre-79 Iranian flags and posters of Reza Pahlavi. All united despite western globalists betraying them. Shame on the BBC.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 16, 2023 04:53 PM (krqg6)

385 Sidebar: RIP Suzanne Sommers. She had a banging body

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 04:53 PM (xcxpd)

386 So I'll post this again. Israel's way out of this probably does require a DMZ. Look, they're not going to go into Gaza and hang two million Arabs. Nor should they, it would destroy their own national ethos. But how do they stop those Arabs from doing it again ?

A DMZ. Which also includes no doors. Because those same Arabs that went on a tear last weekend went through the doors in that border every day, only this time they brought guns. Israel is going to have to quit, cold turkey, their reliance on cheap Arab labor. That will require a cultural shift.

Posted by: I'll Make This Easy at October 16, 2023 04:54 PM (Q9QhG)

387 I have also come around to the view held by my better half that we should have nuked the stupid moon rock in SA on 9/12/2001 so everyone understood that the game was over and we were reverting back to the traditional western concept of total war. But I digress.
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 16, 2023 04:46 PM (5C4od)

My disappointment with our reaction to 9/11 is still very deep. I'll never forgive W and the rest of that rat pack for making the US look like a battered wife.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 16, 2023 04:54 PM (BdMk6)

388 Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2023 04:44 PM (pohLc)
That was no sniper--the dude offed himself with disobeying rule #1 of gun handling.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at October 16, 2023 04:55 PM (XMwZJ)

389 385 Sidebar: RIP Suzanne Sommers. She had a banging body

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 04:53 PM (xcxpd)

Breast cancer and its metastisies for the last 23+ years. I tip my hat to her and the fight she had in her.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 04:55 PM (ynpvh)

390 How's the birdbath?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo

Resting comfortably.

Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 04:55 PM (T4tVD)

391 388 Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2023 04:44 PM (pohLc)
That was no sniper--the dude offed himself with disobeying rule #1 of gun handling.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at October 16, 2023 04:55 PM (XMwZJ)

Shoot the other terrorists first?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 04:55 PM (ynpvh)

392 never-wuzzers.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM
'It's the neverwuzzers, Captain.'
'Break out the Grapeshot and chainshot! Prepare to repel boarders! Marines aloft!'

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2023 04:56 PM (NxC5+)

393 Iran’s top envoy said that a “preemptive action” could be expected in the coming hours, state TV reported on Monday, adding that Israel will not be allowed to take any action in the Gaza Strip without facing consequences.

Posted by: It's Happening at October 16, 2023 04:56 PM (VpCCm)

394 I like they way his hat flies off and he sits down still holding the gun in his lap.

Posted by: wth at October 16, 2023 04:56 PM (v0R5T)

395 @357 Poland might be increasing spending but it's not really a threat. Rus couldn't take Ukraine they haven't got a chance in Hell at Poland.

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More likely flashpoint is Transnistria, which is a pro-Russian itty-bitty autonomous piece of Moldova (formerly part of the USSR), which is closely linked to Romania, which is a part of NATO (and has been trying to meet it's GDP % obligation). And Transnistria is completely surrounded by Moldova and Ukraine.

Posted by: junior at October 16, 2023 04:56 PM (38N3p)

396 Whilest working out proportionate, the Japanese killed 68 American civilians at Pearl Harbor.

America killed at least 300,000 Japanese civilians.

4,000 to 1 at a low estimate of what is proportionate.

Given that Israel has 1,100 civilian deaths, 4,400,000 deaths of Hamas civilians would be proportionate using the most holy WWII as an example.

Posted by: goatweed at October 16, 2023 04:56 PM (0Q/6W)

397 I've more or less become an isolationist for the same reason I gave up on the death penalty: it's not that plenty of people don't deserve killing, but our government has persuaded me it cannot get anything right. I'm not going to agree to back further military adventures of any sort absent existential need. The modern art classes and flying a rainbow flag in Afghanistan are emblematic of our government's lack of seriousness. I don't think anyone's life if worth that kind of nonsense.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at October 16, 2023 04:57 PM (ppBhU)

398 A 2000-word Ace Essay (including quotes)!
We are unworthy.

Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (30MvH)

399 400

Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (30MvH)

400 396 Whilest working out proportionate, the Japanese killed 68 American civilians at Pearl Harbor.

America killed at least 300,000 Japanese civilians.

4,000 to 1 at a low estimate of what is proportionate.

Given that Israel has 1,100 civilian deaths, 4,400,000 deaths of Hamas civilians would be proportionate using the most holy WWII as an example.

Posted by: goatweed at October 16, 2023 04:56 PM (0Q/6W)

WWII was cannonized?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (ynpvh)

401 Do not take Transnistria if you are allergic to Transnistria. Side-effects include fainting, nausea, and sudden death.

Consult your doctor to find out if Transnistria is right for you.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (N3zMI)

402 Iran’s top envoy said that a “preemptive action” could be expected in the coming hours,

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I would take Iran at its word and preemptively drop a nuke on them.

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (hht4k)

403 399 400

Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (30MvH)

♪ So Close, but so far away...♫

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (ynpvh)

404 Ace's position on 2024...

1. Vivek is out, while Haley was never in.

2. DeSantis is not viable or anywhere to be seen.

There is no nuance between 1 and 2. The sooner Ace goes all in for Trump the better for him and everyone else.

Posted by: Lex at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (QlUHh)

405 NOT FOUND

Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (30MvH)

406 Two's Company?
Oh wait, Ritter is mort, too.
One's Company?

Posted by: wth at October 16, 2023 04:59 PM (v0R5T)

407 It wasn't a sniper. The guy blew his head off, because, being educated on nothing but anti-Semitic hatred, he didn't know not to look down the barrel of his own gun when his finger's still on the trigger.

That was the joke.
Posted by: Dr. T at October 16, 2023 04:52 PM (m9hmt)

Right you are. I didn't catch that. Self correcting problem.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2023 04:59 PM (pohLc)

408 I'm sure that this has been mentioned, but today we have perfect evidence of why the Republicans are stupid. Ronna McDaniel gave the last pres debate to NBC, MSNBC parent. Way to go idiot

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 16, 2023 04:59 PM (Sf4VP)

409 402 Iran’s top envoy said that a “preemptive action” could be expected in the coming hours,

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I would take Iran at its word and preemptively drop a nuke on them.

Posted by: runner at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (hht4k)

Be even better if any nukes they had went off in-situ inside Iran...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 04:59 PM (ynpvh)

410 403 399 400

Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (30MvH)

♪ So Close, but so far away...♫
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (ynpvh)

It WAS 400! Some other comment got zapped.

Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:59 PM (30MvH)

411 My disappointment with our reaction to 9/11 is still very deep. I'll never forgive W and the rest of that rat pack for making the US look like a battered wife.

It was THE moment of change for me. It was the first time I was on the outside in, regarding politics, sounding like an old school hippy screaming about the corruption of power while folks applauded the Patriot Act. Before that, I was the redneck version of Alex P. Keaton. The Patriot Act cured me. It opened my eyes.

Posted by: I'll Make This Easy at October 16, 2023 04:59 PM (Q9QhG)

412 The guy was not "sitting down." He's dead...

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at October 16, 2023 04:59 PM (XMwZJ)

413 NOT FOUND
Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (30MvH)
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Accurate.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 16, 2023 04:59 PM (z5vMw)

414 because it's prudent to be prepared, just as we should be. As in, don't send all our weapons stores to Ukraine. We probably won't need them, but maybe, we will.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2023 04:48 PM (FUAJd)

Overwhelming military strength is already paying dividends for Poland. When the EU and the The Hague demand that the Pole admit "refugees" into their country, the Poles just shrug their shoulders, say "Hell no" and point out that there have been no Islamist terror attacks on Polish soil. Poles are the honey badgers of Europe.

Posted by: mrp at October 16, 2023 05:00 PM (rj6Yv)

415 405 NOT FOUND

Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (30MvH)

Well, 2 for 2. Missed both by ->|<- that much...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 05:00 PM (ynpvh)

416 I had to look up Russian cursive writing earlier today because writing a book sends you on weird tangents that need sudden, quick answers. Mostly: does Russian have a cursive alphabet?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (LvTSG)
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I was disappointed when I realized you wrote "cursive". My eyes glazed over and read that as "Russian curses" and immediately wanted to google Russian swear words so I could keep up with the comments.

Posted by: nIVqII at October 16, 2023 05:00 PM (FoYlI)

417 413 NOT FOUND
Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (30MvH)
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Accurate.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 16, 2023 04:59 PM (z5vMw)

Word....

Posted by: Waldo at October 16, 2023 05:01 PM (QPmu4)

418 Ironically, we aren't bound to support Ukraine at all but that hasn't stopped us from borrowing billions from China and giving it to Ukraine.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2023 04:52 PM (ZLI7S)
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We most likely aren't doing this. Insofar as I know, China has mostly been buying agency debt, generally used for specific projects (mostly infrastructure), and reducing Treasury debt holdings.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 16, 2023 05:01 PM (dnKgP)

419 A 2000-word Ace Essay (including quotes)!
We are unworthy.

Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (30MvH)

Wait! This is a movie review?

Man, I totally missed that. Is it about the new Exorcist movie or something?

Posted by: naturalfake at October 16, 2023 05:01 PM (QzZeQ)

420 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 1m
BREAKING 🚨 BRUSSELS SHOOTING:
- Belgium raised the terror alert to its highest level in Brussels
- Terror alert for the rest of the country raised to its second-highest level.
- Soccer fans at Belgium-Sweden Euro qualifier match told to stay at the stadium
- Gunman on the run, manhunt launched

OSINTdefender @sentdefender 1h
A Gunman in the Belgian Capital City of Brussels, who announced his Allegiance to ISIS and stated his need to “Avenge Muslims” has reportedly Killed at least 2 Swedish Nationals and Injured many other Civilians with a Massive Manhunt currently underway by Belgian Police to find him.
https://tinyurl.com/3fu5chc9
22 seconds; asshole in red top/hoodie

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 16, 2023 05:01 PM (krqg6)

421 I'm sure that this has been mentioned, but today we have perfect evidence of why the Republicans are stupid. Ronna McDaniel gave the last pres debate to NBC, MSNBC parent. Way to go idiot
Posted by: Smell the Glove at

Can't be true.

Only someone who wants the country to continue to move left would do that.

Posted by: LOLGF at October 16, 2023 05:01 PM (VpCCm)

422 416 I had to look up Russian cursive writing earlier today because writing a book sends you on weird tangents that need sudden, quick answers. Mostly: does Russian have a cursive alphabet?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 16, 2023 04:00 PM (LvTSG)
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I was disappointed when I realized you wrote "cursive". My eyes glazed over and read that as "Russian curses" and immediately wanted to google Russian swear words so I could keep up with the comments.

Posted by: nIVqII at October 16, 2023 05:00 PM (FoYlI)

My Dad studied Russian back in the 50's. Indeed, there is cursive, both spoken and written.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 05:02 PM (ynpvh)

423 Nood South Park shortie

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 16, 2023 05:02 PM (xcxpd)

424 Nood Tired Alphabet people

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 16, 2023 05:03 PM (OZjDX)

425 373 YOUR KEYBOARD HAS A LISP.
Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (T4tVD)
________________

He got the Mike Tyson model!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 16, 2023 05:03 PM (YqDXo)

426 419 A 2000-word Ace Essay (including quotes)!
We are unworthy.

Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 04:58 PM (30MvH)

Wait! This is a movie review?

Man, I totally missed that. Is it about the new Exorcist movie or something?

Posted by: naturalfake at October 16, 2023 05:01 PM (QzZeQ)

https://youtu.be/hv_zJrO_ptk

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 05:03 PM (ynpvh)

427 LOL andycanuck (from the previous thread):
🇹🇳,🇲🇾,🇵🇰= Tunisia, Malaysia, Pakistan

533 I wondered what TN had against Israel!

Actually, that's where the Xtwitter flag icons go although I only recognized the Pakistan flag-acronym.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 16, 2023 04:10 PM (krqg6)

Posted by: m at October 16, 2023 05:03 PM (30MvH)

428 425 373 YOUR KEYBOARD HAS A LISP.
Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (T4tVD)
________________

He got the Mike Tyson model!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at October 16, 2023 05:03 PM (YqDXo)

Mike Tyson never said "Pussy".

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 05:04 PM (ynpvh)

429 NOOD Southpark

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 16, 2023 05:04 PM (ynpvh)

430 Way late to this thread… I’ll just say I’ve always been for Trump in this primary. I was Vivek-curious and liked a few things he said; he irritated Nikki which is a point in his favor. But he’s completely lost me here; what stupidity (or antipathy for Jews?)…. Also, anytime someone refers to college students as “kids” it grates on me. No, they’re young adults old enough to carry a rifle and go to war and vote. They should be held accountable for flirting with genocidal evil maniacs like Hamas…, this is not a hard moral calculus.

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 16, 2023 05:05 PM (d96zn)

431 Funny how Christians aren't hunting down Muslims to avenge the thousands of Christians murdered by Muslims.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at October 16, 2023 05:06 PM (XMwZJ)

432 >>We most likely aren't doing this. Insofar as I know, China has mostly been buying agency debt, generally used for specific projects (mostly infrastructure), and reducing Treasury debt holdings.

Just as the $6 billion Biden just unfroze for Iran money we borrow is fungible. If we didn't specifically borrow money for Ukraine we borrowed it for something else the government decided to fund and couldn't cause they were giving money to Ukraine.

We are $33 trillion in debt and going up like a rocket. Pretty soon this will all be academic cause there won't be any money for anything but services the debt.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2023 05:06 PM (ZLI7S)

433 RadioGenoa @RadioGenoa 3h
Islamic Jihad in Europe. Non-EU Muslim armed with a knife shouts "Allah Akbar" near the Turin Synagogue and is neutralized by Italian police. In Europe we have a huge problem.

https://tinyurl.com/bdt4t5v9
11 seconds; through a bar [or liquor store] window!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 16, 2023 05:06 PM (krqg6)

434 RadioGenoa @RadioGenoa 1h
Here is what the Islamic terrorist from Brussels says in a video: “Islamic salute to Allah Akbar. I appeal to Abdesalem Al Guilani and I am a fighter for Allah. I'm from the Islamic State. We love those who love us and we hate those who hate us. We live by our religion and die by our religion. Al Hamdulah. Your brother was born in the name of Muslims. So far I have killed 3 Swedes Al Hamdoulelah. Those to whom I have written a check choose to forgive me. And I will forgive myself to the whole world. Salam Alaykoum.”

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 16, 2023 05:06 PM (krqg6)

435 Cheers, m.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 16, 2023 05:07 PM (krqg6)

436 YOUR KEYBOARD HAS A LISP.
Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 04:47 PM (T4tVD)
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Hiya.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 16, 2023 04:49 PM (z5vMw)

Hiya back !

Posted by: JT at October 16, 2023 05:08 PM (T4tVD)

437 It's the absolutism I oppose. It is not healthy for us to act like alcoholics and veer from one extreme to another.
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You're moving toward the right track, Ace. But there is an awful lot more to this problem than mentioned above. E.g., while you don't mention it here (you have at other times) there was an excessive push for total laissez faire. Which is good so far as it goes, but NAFTA was too far. (I missed on that one, too.)

But there are two others which will get me pushback for mentioning them. It is also true that, right now, both nationalism and populism are the better movements, given their opponents. But people are pushing those to Bismarck and Robespierre. Which is to say, to eliminating all local autonomy, and all minority power (and rights).

And even rights-mania can go overboard, as we see in the trannies.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 16, 2023 05:11 PM (brAQZ)

438 I have no problem arming Israel. I have a problem giving them arms. If they want to take a loan and pay us back, good on them.

We’re 33 trillion in debt. For gods sakes Ace, when will we put the purse away?

As for Ukraine, I have no brook for Russia. But we are right on their doorstep, and we basically started that war with the intent to overthrow Russia. That’s what puts us too close to the edge.

And to be blunt. Either we directly blew up Nordstream or had our Ukrainian clients do it (I’m pretty sure we did it). So in other words we basically did an act of war against Germany and Russia. And we are devestating both the European and American economies to do this. So yes, I’m dead set against a war that has its stated intention to overthrow Russia.

Btw. I argued with a German friend of mine at the beginning of the war that our arming the Ukrainians would drain out resources and make Taiwan vulnerable. And here we are, running out of munitions, Ukraine a bloodbath that has shown that drone warfare has returned us to the trench warfare of a century ago (which I think is the one good thing that has come out of this - that’s a warning to our military…

Posted by: Justin Castreau at October 16, 2023 05:26 PM (lx0Tp)

439 re the sidebar, not sure who is doing it but there's a bunch of discussion that this is not Israel vs hamas but Israel vs iran, so

Posted by: N at October 16, 2023 05:39 PM (RjBju)

440 To clarify further. We have been too easy on going to war, and that is partly the gop’s fault.

Vivek has shown himself to be a pandering moron here and he jumped on the wrong side. I’m with Tim pool on this - those who are enemies of free speech deserve no mercy. Vivek doesn’t get that since he’s just making mouth noises.

And finally AOS has been one of the few places of sanity on internet. ace, I hope that you don’t think that all of us who are against Ukraine (for a lot of reasons) are undesirables. But I have soured on endless wars and dead and maimed kids coming home, seemingly now for nothing, as well as a debt that will kill us.

Posted by: Justin Castreau at October 16, 2023 05:45 PM (lx0Tp)

441 @431 How’s that working out for Christian’s?

Posted by: Allen at October 16, 2023 05:51 PM (vX7tj)

442 Vivek lost me when his own website's "fake news" section tried to debunk the claim that Vivek supported a 70%+ estate tax. It pointed to his own book which I obtained a copy of, and the book indeed did have an entire section where Vivek seemed to think a giant estate tax was a great idea. Seems like a self own because before his attempt to "debunk" this, I hadn't even heard anyone criticize him on that ground.

Posted by: Liberty at October 16, 2023 05:56 PM (IoAmk)

443 Ace, Your post is very well stated.

Posted by: Roland F Hirsch at October 16, 2023 05:57 PM (oMkPq)

444 Wonderful ace rant and I'm sure an excellent thread.
I picked the wrong time to go to the store.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 16, 2023 06:20 PM (/4mRj)

445 "I had to look up Russian cursive writing earlier today because writing a book sends you on weird tangents that need sudden, quick answers. Mostly: does Russian have a cursive alphabet?"

Yes, it does. Which makes it a challenge to read, as several letters look very similar to each other when written:

https://tinyurl.com/4krkwp8f

Posted by: cheshirecat at October 16, 2023 06:27 PM (TwA+r)

446 1/3 OF msnbc AUDIENCE DIDN'T WANT TO KILL ALL THE JEWS? wHO KNEW?

Posted by: Fred at October 16, 2023 06:34 PM (EcD5Y)

447 Ace,

On why the Ukraine situation doesn't fit into a recent historical pattern of "They did X in 1965 and we did Y in 1980"

If Russia had nukes in 1812, today we'd be hearing legends of how beautiful Paris used to be.

Well, having said that.. yeah...

Posted by: Harlock at October 16, 2023 06:43 PM (83thu)

448 Next Ace post:

I’m done with that free speech shit.

Posted by: Joseph K at October 16, 2023 06:52 PM (WWBWe)

449 How difficult can it be to understand?

Cutting off Ukraine good, cutting off Israel bad. Arming Ukraine bad, arming Israel good.

Quit painting them both with the same "isolationist" brush.

NATO picked the fight with Putin by camping out on his borders. He warned about Ukraine many, many times. The McCain-Graham wing of GOP Inc. assumed he was joking. He signaled the outcome years in advance.

Put a Chicom military airbase in Mexico, and see how that feels, when the shoe's on the other foot.

But then, consistency has never been one of Ace's many great talents.

Posted by: Born Free at October 16, 2023 07:00 PM (6kqgf)

450 I guess I missed the part where you took a position on US boots on the ground in Iran. Which is what Vivek seems to be categorically against. And I fully agree. We're fucking DONE sending our kids to die for bullshit like this. Bomb the ever livigin SHIT out of them ? Go for it.

Posted by: deadrody at October 16, 2023 07:03 PM (hyQ2k)

451 Well said. Tucker has shit the bed on this one and the mask has slipped on a few of the talking heads.

It's amazing to see some of the biggest proponents of 'if you aren't with us you're against/smash NATO panic button' becoming Lindberghian isolationists (in more ways than one).

They seems to lack the clarity of thought to realise that that isn't a risk free option.
American withdrawal from the world will not result in a better life in America, it will mean China on top in multi-polar, riskier future and with many enemies/countries not satisfied until the USA is ground into the dust.

Seems a strange future to pick if you care about America.

Posted by: stv at October 16, 2023 07:26 PM (TIhaI)

452 End the war. Get Putin and Zelensky to a negotiating table and get a deal done and then maybe we can start focusing on things that actually matter to this country like the millions of illegals flowing into this country.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2023 03:59 PM (ZLI7S)
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You act as if the latter cannot happen without the former. Anything we can do to hollow out Russia, and make them weaker, without directly committing troops I'm for. Why did Biden commit to building a part of the wall - because domestic political considerations forced him to say he'd do it. We are still pumping weapons and $$ into Ukraine.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 16, 2023 07:28 PM (UVyKP)

453 Never seen this many words spent on building a strawman…congratulations.

Posted by: Bret at October 16, 2023 09:18 PM (dGMi/)

454 Nice. Ace always provides clarity.

Posted by: wodun at October 16, 2023 09:35 PM (pVZ/7)

455 Ace asks why not ally with Hamas if you're not enthused about supporting Israel? Well, we could just let them both fight, and worry about our own problems. Yes, this might cause problems. No strategy is risk free as has been said. But given we just spent the last twenty years screwing up Afganistan, I'm going to go with we ought to be humble about our lack of skills.

Posted by: Eric2 at October 16, 2023 11:23 PM (t7mrP)

456 Don't fret about MSNBCs audience. It will soar again. Once Trump is reelected in 24.

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