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Panic at Mouse Marvel: One Half of Disney Marvel's Daredevil Has Already Been Shot, But Kevin Feige Pulls a Zazlav and Burns the Film
Okay, he didn't burn the film, but he did scrap the half-filmed series -- and that's half of eighteen episodes, not just half of six -- and fired the writers and directors.
Actually they say "fewer than half" of the 18 episodes where filmed and then thrown into the incinerator, but I think that's spin. They always lie. They always lie their ratings up and lie their failures down. The Hollywood Reporter, helping Disney spin this latest failure:Marvel television on Disney is now almost three years old. That makes it an adult in corporate years. What's this "growing pains" bullshit?
It didn't take long to see the problem after Marvel Studios' Daredevil: Born Again paused production in mid-June during the writers strike. Fewer than half of the series' 18 episodes had been shot, but it was enough for Marvel executives, including chief Kevin Feige, to review the footage and come away with a clear-eyed assessment: The show wasn't working. So, in late September, Marvel quietly let go of head writers Chris Ord and Matt Corman and also released the directors for the remainder of the season as part of a significant creative reboot of the series, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. The studio is now on the hunt for new writers and directors for the project, which stars Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock, a blind lawyer turned superhero. The Daredevil revamp is the latest in a series of growing pains for Marvel television.
... T]he company eschewed the traditional TV-making model. It didn't commission pilots but instead shot entire $150 million-plus seasons of TV on the fly. It didn't hire showrunners, but instead depended on film executives to run its series. And as Marvel does for its movies, it relied on postproduction and reshoots to fix what wasn't working.And that's been working like gangbusters for Marvel's theatrical releases lately, eh?
wait I thought only misogynists and racists had a problem with Marvel's conveyor belt of unwatchable shit
Even though they remain, along with Star Wars titles, the most watched shows on Disney+, Marvel series have recently faced a number of creative challenges and cries of diminishing returns from critics and audience metrics, causing a major shift at the studio to move to make TV shows the more traditional way.
... With Daredevil's new direction, Marvel hopes to right the ship on a project with sky-high expectations. The show is Marvel's first to feature a hero who already had a successful series on Netflix, running three seasons. But sources say that Corman and Ord crafted a legal procedural that did not resemble the Netflix version, known for its action and violence. Cox didn't even show up in costume until the fourth episode. Marvel, after greenlighting the concept, found itself needing to rethink the original intention of the show.That's what people want in a Daredevil show -- mid-2000s David Kelley light legal drama. Daredevil, meet Ally McBeal. We have to take on the supervillian Denny Crane (Denny Crane!) And didn't they just try that with She-Hulk? And wasn't that the worst Marvel show ever (until their next worst show ever, Secret Invasion)?
but only homophobic right-wing chuds say that, i thought The article then notes that Secret Invasion was also a shit-show that went way off-schedule, and also required a replacement of the production team to finish. And that turned out to be total crap -- the worst thing Marvel has made yet, and that's saying something -- so I wouldn't get your hopes up that Daredevil will be rescued.
... Even though the company does not have a writers-first approach to TV, directors could feel short-changed as well. "The whole 'fix it in post' attitude makes it feel like a director doesn't matter sometimes," says one person familiar with the process.
As it moves forward, Marvel is making concrete changes in how it makes TV. It now has plans to hire showrunners. Gao's postproduction work on She-Hulk helped Marvel see that it would be helpful for its shows to have a creative throughline from start to finish.They're counting She-Hulk as a success. Wow. So that's the new standard of excellence?
It also is revamping its development process. Showrunners will write pilots and show bibles. The days of Marvel shooting an entire series, from She-Hulk to Secret Invasion, then looking at what's working and what's not, are done.Interesting. So you're saying that filming an entire series or movie with the script barely finished and then reshooting most of the movie or series based on audience reactions isn't a cost-effective way to make entertainment? Marvel has made one piece-of-shit movie and series after another, and they haven't bothered with such a major course-correction before. So why now? Because Marvel's in absolute meltdown and there are only three projects that anyone cares about (apart from the Sony-owned Spider-Man sequels): 1, X-Men, 2, Fantastic Four, 3, Daredevil.
And Daredevil comes out first. If the public sees that Daredevil is yet another woke series aimed at tween girls -- filmed in the silly LOL WTF So Random! She-Hulk style -- the last remaining dead-ender Marvel fans will flee the franchise entirely. And I hear that's exactly what Daredevil was -- a woke "oopsie-doopsies we're so silly we make poopsies" series continuing the tween-girl vibe all of Marvel has now. Part of the Daredevil series, rumors say, will involve Punisher. Let me establish how important Punisher is -- or was to Marvel: Since the 80s, Punisher has consistently had a comic book devoted to him. He is one of the few characters to have sustained multiple comic books at once. Only Spider-Man and the X-Men manage that. His series has usually been in the top ten of Marvel comics by sales, and Marvel often shits out 100+ titles a month. He's was also one of the few Marvel characters with multiple movies before the Product Conveyer-Belt called the MCU: In 2006, X-Men 3 came out. In 2007, the Spider-Man 3 came out. In 2008, the third Punisher movie, Punisher War Zone, came out. The Punisher had just as many movies as Spider-Man and the X-Men until 2008. As far as merchandising, Spider-Man is without a doubt Marvel's biggest IP crop. But I'm just going to say that, based on experience and common-sense, the #2 and #3 IPs for t-shirts and merchandise are Punisher and Captain America. They might change year-to-year, but it's going to be those two fighting for 2nd place. That established: One unconfirmed but much repeated plot leak about Daredevil is that it's about cops using the Punisher logo on their uniforms and cars, and both Daredevil and Punisher are angry about that. This is a woke obsessive plot point. Marvel and its woke employees have been shrieking in distress -- always on Twitter, where they live -- for years because cops and soldiers often wear the Punisher skull logo or paint it on a tank, and woke Marvel losers hate cops and soldiers. They think Punisher is a "rightwing extremist hero" and have been trying to get Marvel to stop publishing him. Well, they just did that. A year ago, they wrote a short series which was designed to make the audience hate the character and make him radioactive forever. They changed the character so that he no longer became a criminal-killer after his wife and children were killed by gangsters -- no, he is shown as a child to be a psychopath and serial-killer-in-waiting. The death of his wife and kids didn't make him a killer -- that was just an excuse to be the serial killer he always wanted to be. They then show that he committed war crimes when he was a Marine and, far from being a hero, was just a broken, pathetic loser. Most incredibly of all, they resurrected his wife so she could tell him she never loved him, always hated him, and also strongly hinted that "his" kids were not his kids at all -- she was banging a different guy. Marvel actually turned the Punisher into a cuck. And then they condemned him to spend eternity in a parallel world atoning for his sins. All to teach the Rightwing Chuds who liked the Punisher logo a lesson. Oh, by the way, they're making a new Punisher. This is still a greedy corporation, after all. They still want to sell the Punisher logo. They just don't want Rightwing Chuds to buy it. So they'll slap the Punisher logo on a new, less-problematic character. Probably an SJW who beats up cops. So given Marvel's determination to teach the Punisher (and all of his fans) a lesson, no one is very optimistic about his inclusion in the Daredevil series, especially not in a plotline involving the wokies' Twitter Obsession about cops daring to wear his logo. Newsflash, Marvel: Cops don't fucking read Punisher. They don't read any comic books. No one reads comic books anymore due to your malignant incompetence. They just like the skull logo. You haven't taught them anything. The only cops who know about this infantile bullshit (Punisher has been banished to the "Weird World" dimension, did you hear, Sergeant?) are the ones who just read this post. Do shareholders know that Marvel just deliberately destroyed the value of one of its top ten pieces of IP, just because some permanent hysterics worked themselves up into a lather about it on Twitter? Marvel destroyed a billion-dollar IP... to placate BLM activists. Maybe shareholders should take notice of the priorities at Marvel and Disney.
Meahwhile: Nielsen ratings have been released for Disney Lucasfilm's latest bomb Ahsoka. The show began with an anemic 1.2 million viewers, and steadily lost viewers as it grinded tediously along. The final episode was watched by only 800,000+ viewers. Disney LucasFilm is planning to release a theatrical sequel to this series. As Valliant Renegade says, Disney cannot afford to spend $400 million to make a sequel movie to a series that people just didn't care about. This will be another of the long, long list of movies that Kaffeine Kennedy is supposedly making but which are never actually greenlit. He also says that the ratings for season 2 of Loki are way down. Loki season 1 was the most-watched of all of Disney's terrible TV shows, but apparently people are just giving up on Marvel. Want proof? Even Pitch Meeting Guy now says the only reason he bothers watching Marvel movies and TV shows is that people expect him to do Pitch Meetings about them, and he notes that everyone he knows feels this way. When you've lost Pitch Meeting Guy... It gets worse for Loki season 2. Loki season 2 will connect up with the movie that everyone is dying to not see, The Marvels. That's like increasing your boat's buoyancy by parking a boring, charisma-free truck with no ass on it. They also say that the earlier screenings of The Marvels got audience scores of 30. After extensive editing, the new version got scores of... 28. When a movie is awful, studios usually react by cutting and cutting and cutting it down to the shortest length possible, so they can pack in the most showings possible in the first weekend before word-of-mouth gets out about it. One guy in this podcast says that the film's length of 2 hours 40 minutes has been cut down to 1 hour 40 minutes, making it the shortest Marvel movie ever.
Bonus: The media, which has been promoting and protecting Bob Iger for 20 years as if he were Straight Obama, has turned on him and finally noticed he's a huge f*ck-up who loses billions. They're reporting that he's "exhausted" and routinely whines to confederates that he regrets having come back from his semi-retirement.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 13, 2023 04:18 PM (qPw5n)
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 13, 2023 04:18 PM (qPw5n)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 13, 2023 04:19 PM (JMAcK)
They also say that the earlier screenings of The Marvels got audience scores of 30. After extensive editing, the new version got scores of... 28.
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In addition, early tracking has been released, and The Marvels is tracking for a $50-75 million opening.
That's...very low for a nearly $300 million movie.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:19 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2023 04:20 PM (DRSnL)
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 04:20 PM (J47y1)
Toddlers are so difficult. And sexy. But mostly sexy.
Posted by: Disney LGBTQ+ at October 13, 2023 04:20 PM (ppBhU)
They're reporting that he's "exhausted" and routinely whines to confederates that he regrets having come back from his semi-retirement.
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It's unclear what he's actually doing other than telling all the crazies in charge of the lower departments that they're doing great and don't need to make any changes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:21 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 13, 2023 04:21 PM (44ww/)
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 04:21 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:21 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: guy who is unreasonably angry with everyone else at October 13, 2023 04:21 PM (ppBhU)
Posted by: Jmel at October 13, 2023 04:22 PM (bVhJi)
A DC-level Flash bomb is incoming. Marvel will be making many more changes beyond the end of the year.
The Daredevil stuff that got trashed was idiocy to film. I'm impressed they actually Bat-girled it and fired all the Season 1 directors and made the series writers executive producers after firing them from writing (which is the norm when you get completely kicked from a project)...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 13, 2023 04:22 PM (exHjb)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 13, 2023 04:22 PM (zYaEn)
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 13, 2023 04:23 PM (qPw5n)
Posted by: IDF at October 13, 2023 04:23 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: A dude in MI at October 13, 2023 04:23 PM (/6GbT)
Posted by: Jmel at October 13, 2023 04:22 PM (bVhJi)
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Most of Disney's history is actually pretty crappy.
Outside of the earliest decades, then the 90s, and then the corporate buyouts of the late 00s, Disney is a tired corporation that's been way too top heavy for a very long time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:23 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: SMOD at October 13, 2023 04:24 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: LASue at October 13, 2023 04:24 PM (xJlrd)
It all went to hell after they threw me out of Disneyworld for smoking pot on the SkyLiner back in the 70's.
"C'mon Pal, there are kids here."
Gee, maybe if they'd remember that currently.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 04:24 PM (J47y1)
I been thinking . . . there should be less Daredevil is this show called Daredevil.
Posted by: True creative genius at October 13, 2023 04:24 PM (ppBhU)
Posted by: XTC at October 13, 2023 04:24 PM (sm6Pk)
Why?
Because the Clone Wars was Lucas Star Wars, not Disney Star Wars.
Posted by: redchief at October 13, 2023 04:25 PM (mzFxi)
The reason the number is up to $75M is they are hoping critics rescue it with a "love job"...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 13, 2023 04:25 PM (exHjb)
Posted by: SMOD
June Lockhart getting her sparkle on.
Two hubbas please.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 04:25 PM (J47y1)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:21 PM (LvTSG
No changes. Just drive it into the ground. It needs to die.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 13, 2023 04:25 PM (zYaEn)
I liked season one and two of Mandalorian. But season three was meh. That's the only Disney TV show I've watched in a long long time.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 04:26 PM (R38qh)
https://is.gd/3Zs4Kv
noice. I do care.
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:26 PM (KRtlO)
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 04:26 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: I'm in earnest here. at October 13, 2023 04:26 PM (ppBhU)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 13, 2023 04:26 PM (RSbhh)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2023 04:27 PM (eacmp)
aw too bad. I saw an interview with him. The cast of the show was annoyed because the show quickly just became Dr. Smith, Will, and the Robot. I think he said he would just drink in his trailer most of the day.
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:27 PM (KRtlO)
I liked season one and two of Mandalorian. But season three was meh. That's the only Disney TV show I've watched in a long long time.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 04:26 PM (R38qh)
Since I'm binging Disney before my $2.99/month ad-free sub ends Black Friday...I actually liked Season 3 of the Mandalorian better than the Boba parts of Season 2. There was progression in the plot and in the Mando/Baby Yoda (yes, I know his name, but he will forever be baby Yoda) relationship...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (exHjb)
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (Y8lzz)
Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (MNhXM)
oh he's the Discovery/Warner Bros owner who burned the film of "Batgirl" and took a tax write-off
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (KRtlO)
Hahaha.
I read the whole thing!
*pops a Stupid Pill to forget*
Posted by: spindrift at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (Otxz7)
aw too bad. I saw an interview with him. The cast of the show was annoyed because the show quickly just became Dr. Smith, Will, and the Robot. I think he said he would just drink in his trailer most of the day.
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:27 PM (KRtlO)
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"It would be improved with a cgi monkey!"
-an insane Hollywood exec, sometime in the mid-90s
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Nova Local at October 13, 2023 04:25 PM (exHjb)
That won't work for long either. Eventually people will check who produced/released the movie and if they see "Disney", they'll just pass on it as a bad bet. It won't matter what the critics say.
This was, for a time, how I dealt with any movie that was associated with filmmaker Uwe Boll. If I saw his name, I just put the movie back on the shelf without renting it. Got burned a couple of times and learned what the key factor was and why those were movies to avoid.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (qPw5n)
Posted by: redridinghood at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (NpAcC)
Most impressive.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (zYaEn)
Everything is so woke, stupid and unoriginal, I find myself refusing to watch anything that was made after about 1999.
I hope Disney goes broke. Maybe then things will get better.
Posted by: Czech Chick at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (0rsFX)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (eacmp)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 13, 2023 04:29 PM (mj0Qp)
The $6 billion will be used in accordance with the agreement struck with United States and Iran, he added at a press conference with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken.
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 13, 2023 04:29 PM (EnsGU)
A couple of decades ago it was the safe, kid friendly brand. You didn't have to check up on your kids if they were watching Disney.
There's even a King of the Hill joke where Hank storms into Bobby's bedroom and, without listening to what is on, turns off the radio while complaining about it. Bobby defends it saying that it's radio Disney. The joke being radio Disney is completely harmless and no reasonable person would object to it.
Now, Disney is a skin suit and it's one of the brands that's likely to be slipping in some subversive shit that you have to screen out.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 04:29 PM (R38qh)
it's badly written, I know. There's so much here I kept putting off writing it but then told myself, I will write this piece of shit in one draft and get it over with so that i can start the weekend early.
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:29 PM (KRtlO)
Posted by: ... at October 13, 2023 04:30 PM (lX8VI)
Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 04:30 PM (MNhXM)
Posted by: Marcus T
"Little Black Sambo"?
"The Jungle Book"?
I think we are too late.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 04:30 PM (J47y1)
It's gold, Jerry.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 13, 2023 04:30 PM (aXxgO)
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (KRtlO)
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A new wrinkle to the Disney thing:
They took off a bunch of original content from Disney+, like the Artemis Fowl live action film that cost $125 million and was directed by Kenneth Branaugh, a few months ago. Such content has started popping up on VOD channels for sale/rental in the past week or so.
No longer just placed on Disney+ for content, Disney is trying to actually get direct money for it.
source: https://is.gd/7gVKwV
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:30 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: ... at October 13, 2023 04:30 PM (lX8VI)
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Hey, art imitating art.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 04:30 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:31 PM (z5vMw)
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 13, 2023 04:20 PM (DRSnL)
Evidently not.
Part of me thinks that it's an artifact of how restrictive their worldview is. Anything you create now has to have so much of these people, so many of those over there, and literally anything-- ANYTHING-- you write can be twisted by some perpetually online lunatic into this week's Problematic Thing that you have to go kowtow on Twitter for writing.
Much safer to just mine old properties. You can blame any problematic stuff on the original creators. You don't have to do any of that boring world building or making people understand what the stakes are, because everyone already does. You have built in name brand recognition.
Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2023 04:31 PM (v27SO)
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:29 PM (KRtlO)
So...the disney school on writing?
Posted by: redchief at October 13, 2023 04:31 PM (mzFxi)
Posted by: Ryan Frank at October 13, 2023 04:31 PM (SLZRw)
"It would be improved with a cgi monkey!"
-an insane Hollywood exec, sometime in the mid-90s
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:28 PM (LvTSG)
Yeah, I can only assume Matt LeBlanc really needed the money on that one.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 13, 2023 04:31 PM (N3zMI)
I mean, imagine the 50s where the only thing people knew were the Thin Man sequels.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:31 PM (LvTSG)
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That's 15 in f#cking Goofy years!
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 13, 2023 04:32 PM (krqg6)
Posted by: JT at October 13, 2023 04:32 PM (T4tVD)
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:29 PM (KRtlO)
ace, while youre here in the comments -- a question that I've been wondering for a while.
Do you usually write multiple drafts and re-edits of your posts? And if so, how do you have time to bang out a new post every hour?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 13, 2023 04:32 PM (mj0Qp)
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:29 PM (KRtlO)
Faineant.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2023 04:32 PM (eacmp)
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How the hell do people like this get elected to a school board?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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Infiltration is their life's work. It was their parents work and they were raised and trained. Just as one culture hits the hoops from birth, as another hits the books, this culture hits civilization.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2023 04:32 PM (K05kc)
There's another one? In this one, does Charlie finally say, "Yeah, I'm done. I'm off of sweets now."? 'Cause there's only so much chocolate the world can take.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 13, 2023 04:33 PM (aXxgO)
I really think shareholders shout be made aware of this deliberate destruction of company value.
Punisher really doesn't fit in a gay superhero universe. They could have just spun him off into his own non-superpowered world. You know, like the Destroyer or The Executioner that he rips off.
But they decided to just destroy shareholder value... for BLM.
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:33 PM (KRtlO)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 13, 2023 04:33 PM (zYaEn)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:33 PM (z5vMw)
They might as well have outsourced the movies to the palis
Posted by: N at October 13, 2023 04:33 PM (RjBju)
no they're usually one draft with some light rewriting. I have time because I only write one or two long posts per day and otherwise keep the churn going with posts that are just a link and a quote.
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:34 PM (KRtlO)
Two hubbas please.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 0
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She deserves at least that, if not three! She had a charming guest role on an early Man From U.N.C.L.E. called "The Dove Affair," as a schoolteacher shepherding some teenagers on a cultural field trip through an Eastern European country. She finds herself caught up in Napoleon Solo's struggle with the country's top secret policeman, played by Ricardo Montalban. This was the ep written by Robert Towne, later of Chinatown and Mission: Impossible (the first Tom Cruise movie).
June was always lovely, always classy.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 13, 2023 04:34 PM (J2vNu)
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So they stole that from farscape
Posted by: N at October 13, 2023 04:34 PM (RjBju)
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (BdMk6)
"The Jungle Book"?
I think we are too late.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 04:30 PM (J47y1)
I was thinking more like The Iliad or Plutarch. But that's just me.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (eacmp)
Posted by: SMOD
May he finally get to shove Dr. Smith out of the airlock into the void and get a hero's reward from Judy Robinson.
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (4I/2K)
Wow. So that's the new standard of excellence?
It loudly broadcasts The Message.
That was their only goal. Only icky capitalists care about profits.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (2ocoG)
There's another one? In this one, does Charlie finally say, "Yeah, I'm done. I'm off of sweets now."? 'Cause there's only so much chocolate the world can take.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 13, 2023 04:33 PM (aXxgO)
It’s mostly an origin story from what I can tell.
Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (MNhXM)
Posted by: Receptaculum Ignis at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (g4em/)
it's badly written, I know. There's so much here I kept putting off writing it but then told myself, I will write this piece of shit in one draft and get it over with so that i can start the weekend early.
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:29 PM (KRtlO)
Nice. A Scotch-fueled orgy of words.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (GTqXr)
Posted by: Nova Local at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (exHjb)
May he finally get to shove Dr. Smith out of the airlock into the void and get a hero's reward from Judy Robinson.
he was definitely banging her
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (KRtlO)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (0FoWg)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:31 PM (LvTSG)
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It's like they aren't even trying anymore.
Even bad 50's movies were trying to be something of some substance.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (K05kc)
Wow. So that's the new standard of excellence?
It loudly broadcasts The Message.
That was their only goal. Only icky capitalists care about profits.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (2ocoG)
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$500 they use social media metrics as a major factor in measuring shows.
So, a million people shitting on the show on Twitter gets counted as a plus.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (R38qh)
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:34 PM (KRtlO)
That's pretty nuts. Even your short posts are usually pretty witty and well written.
But I guess you've had lots of practice at this point.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (mj0Qp)
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My customers are asking me why I'm laughing so hard.
Also, didn't AOC just do this in a video?
Posted by: The_Hoser at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (N66D6)
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How much was spent on this, and how much of it can never be recovered with a new effort (you can reuse a set, you can't reuse most of the performances or VFX, for example)?
Per "Screen Rant" - which shills for Disney and is terribly optimistic - the "Wandavision" program ran in at about $25 million per episode. Let's assume it cost less than Wandavision because it is shorter - say $15 million per episode. At 9 episodes produced and thrown away, that is $135 million down the shitter. The final loss would be less if they actually remake the show, but at least half of that total is just gone like a fart in the wind.
How does Disney piss away this much money?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Ripley at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (JojsZ)
Posted by: N at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (RjBju)
Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (MNhXM)
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Written and directed by Paul King, who brought us Paddington and Paddington 2.
I'm honestly hopeful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (LvTSG)
Dude! Don't give away your secret sauce! Then everyone will be cruel.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (aXxgO)
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 13, 2023 04:32 PM (krqg6)
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But how many in Pluto years?
Posted by: Turn 2 at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (JfxgE)
What's this "growing pains" bullshit?
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An excuse.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (t0OGg)
Peltz is not the typical corporate raider, slash and burn, chop them up corporate takeover specialist. Maybe he save Disney?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XPAnGUBV_Tk
Posted by: rd at October 13, 2023 04:37 PM (T7rcj)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023
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Even Jimmy Olsen, in his own comic title, was often clever, solved mysteries, and displayed courage without Superman to back him up. I can just imagine the horror they'd make out of him today. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 13, 2023 04:37 PM (J2vNu)
The work has been done already.
Posted by: DOYLE at October 13, 2023 04:37 PM (Z8Yh2)
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This is a big reason why Victoria Alonso was shown the door.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:37 PM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Bonecrusher at October 13, 2023 04:37 PM (JNTt1)
End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
"...and they found the field hands in the house with a knife ready to cut their f*cking throats...I salute Hamas. A job well done. When I heard the news, I smiled!." Philly crowd roars and applauds.
Everything is on edge and ready to go all George Floyd summer of love.
Posted by: lost in space at October 13, 2023 04:38 PM (febTO)
I asked Chat GPT to review Disney company performance in the style of Ace from [web site address].
It was NOT cruel.
AI fail.
Posted by: Inogame at October 13, 2023 04:38 PM (53oGX)
How does Disney piss away this much money?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (t0OGg)
I think the numbers are always misleading. "Hollywood accounting" and all.
They amortize costs in ways that don't make sense to mere mortals.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at October 13, 2023 04:38 PM (mj0Qp)
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Those dodges don't work so well anymore. Especially because, finally and long overdue, investors have started noticing the quality problem, too.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:38 PM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2023 04:38 PM (eacmp)
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 13, 2023 04:38 PM (cOq4q)
Farscape stole them from Roald Dahl's Vermicious Knids.
Or possibly from Douglas Adams' falling sperm whale.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 04:38 PM (R38qh)
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (aXxgO)
Ya gotta be cruel to be kind.
Posted by: Nick Lowe at October 13, 2023 04:38 PM (GTqXr)
Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2023 04:38 PM (fwDg9)
And wasn't that the worst Marvel show ever (until their next worst show ever, Secret Invasion)?
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You're not supposed to notice that, Ace.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:38 PM (t0OGg)
Even bad 50's movies were trying to be something of some substance.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 13, 2023 04:35 PM (K05kc)
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Billy Wilder was adapting little known stage plays and making them distinctly cinematic. He was hitting huge success for a long time. Wyler did it, too. Huston adapted a lot of novels.
I'm not opposed to looking back to film for inspiration, but even the 70s saw someone like Brian de Palma was able to make original stuff in the style of his favorites like Hitchcock.
If the 70s were run like today, the only way de Palma would have gotten funding were if he were to make a legacy sequel to Notorious with Cary Grant and Ingrid Bergman returning to hand the reins off to the next generation who are also fighting Nazis.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:39 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 13, 2023 04:39 PM (8GBH4)
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Unless they completely purge the writers' rooms, the *last* thing Disney needs is a "writers-first approach."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:39 PM (t0OGg)
he was definitely banging her
Posted by: ace
In a zero gravity environment, I imagine this would be very difficult.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 04:39 PM (J47y1)
Posted by: Ryan Frank at October 13, 2023 04:31 PM (SLZRw)
They did something similar to the X men when they lost the rights. All the mutants are sterilized and off in a corner somewhere so they can't spawn any movies.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 04:39 PM (eoQWY)
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This is a big reason why Victoria Alonso was shown the door.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:37 PM (t0OGg)
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And she left a long while ago, and Marvel is still doing it.
Implying that that's not why she was let go.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:40 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2023 04:40 PM (fwDg9)
Peltz is not the typical corporate raider, slash and burn, chop them up corporate takeover specialist. Maybe he save Disney?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XPAnGUBV_Tk
Posted by: rd at October 13, 2023 04:37 PM (T7rcj)
Is this about me?
Posted by: "Chainsaw" Al Dunlap at October 13, 2023 04:40 PM (4I/2K)
... John Williams
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:40 PM (KRtlO)
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I think he gets there. I thought he was the frontrunner when this started. Sometimes you need to let these things play out. But we shall see.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 13, 2023 04:40 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: kilroy at October 13, 2023 04:40 PM (7cQVs)
If there's one bit of fictional history I've always wondered about it is Willy Wonka's origins. Where does this fellow come from, what are his motivations?
Posted by: I'm sure it will be as engrossing as Darth Vader's origin story. at October 13, 2023 04:40 PM (ppBhU)
Posted by: Jordan61
And all about comic-book characters.
Clue: IT'S NOT REAL!!! and a lot of people are just tired of all of it.
Movie studios used to make movies for ADULTS, and I don't mean porn. I mean they treated the audience as if they had more than two brain cells to rub together.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (vcOmj)
This is true. I had no idea the actual creators of the Punisher decided he was toxically masculine and decided to destroy him just to show up men who actually do dangerous stuff that happen to like the skull logo. Oh grow up you chinless, bird shouldered he-bitches. I liked the Netflix show because Jon Bernthal is a good actor and Frank Castle is a complicated character. He's driven by rage and vengeance, but he's also broken and grieving. So of course femmy urban liberals can't have that kind of nuance.
Posted by: UGAdawg at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (tRd71)
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (KRtlO)
Because Marvel's in absolute meltdown and there are only three projects that anyone cares about (apart from the Sony-owned Spider-Man sequels): 1, X-Men, 2, Fantastic Four, 3, Daredevil.
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And, importantly, Marvel is the last Disney studio that's worth anything. It is dying but not yet a rotten corpse. Lusafilm, Pixar, Disney Animation and Walt Disney Studios are all dead. There is no good will or audience tolerance left. They've done nothing with 20th Century Fox, and so it isn't in the game at all.
Marvel is all they have left. They *have* to try to resuscitate it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (4bEcP)
Clue: IT'S NOT REAL!!! and a lot of people are just tired of all of it.
Movie studios used to make movies for ADULTS, and I don't mean porn. I mean they treated the audience as if they had more than two brain cells to rub together.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (vcOmj)
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Super Mario and Barbie's success this year is going to change the trajectory from already existing comic book IP to already existing video game and toy IP.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (LvTSG)
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Man, I read that completely wrong on this Day of Jihad
Posted by: Moron Robbie - flags aren't lowered for Americans killed by Muslims at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (RDD2k)
he was definitely banging her
Posted by: ace
In a zero gravity environment, I imagine this would be very difficult.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 13, 2023 04:39 PM (J47y1)
Not as much as you might think.
Posted by: James Bond, Diamonds Are Forever at October 13, 2023 04:42 PM (4I/2K)
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Man, I read that completely wrong on this Day of Jihad
Posted by: Moron Robbie - flags aren't lowered for Americans killed by Muslims at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (RDD2k)
Heh.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 13, 2023 04:42 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: N at October 13, 2023 04:42 PM (RjBju)
Posted by: Ripley at October 13, 2023 04:36 PM (JojsZ)
Rings of Power lost something like two thirds of its audience over the season.
They can't lead the lemmings anymore.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 04:43 PM (eoQWY)
If there's one bit of fictional history I've always wondered about it is Willy Wonka's origins. Where does this fellow come from, what are his motivations?
Posted by: I'm sure it will be as engrossing as Darth Vader's origin story. at October 13, 2023 04:40 PM (ppBhU)
That was answered in the Tim Burton version. WW was the son of a dentist who did not allow young WW to enjoy sweets.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at October 13, 2023 04:43 PM (GTqXr)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2023 04:43 PM (eacmp)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Nazis! I hate those guys!
Posted by: Indiana Jones, his kid, his grandkid, nephews, and other children at October 13, 2023 04:43 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 13, 2023 04:43 PM (0FoWg)
Marvel actually turned the Punisher into a cuck.
And then they condemned him to spend eternity in a parallel world atoning for his sins.
All to teach the Rightwing Chuds who liked the Punisher logo a lesson.
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I imagine that did gangbusters sales.
And this incident is a key indicator of the problem. Some "creative" didn't put out an entire retcon to destroy a historically-popular character without any knowledge of the executives. The bosses knew and approved it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:43 PM (t0OGg)
Francsis Bastille-Omar-Gonzalez
Posted by: Inogame at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (53oGX)
Posted by: Q at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (4I/2K)
Clue: IT'S NOT REAL!!! and a lot of people are just tired of all of it.
Movie studios used to make movies for ADULTS, and I don't mean porn. I mean they treated the audience as if they had more than two brain cells to rub together.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (vcOmj)
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Super Mario and Barbie's success this year is going to change the trajectory from already existing comic book IP to already existing video game and toy IP.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (LvTSG)
People are migrating to Asian-owned IPs because they aren't woke(and not crap as a consequence). Not sure Hollywood can make that transition.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (eYoxG)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2023 04:43 PM (eacmp)
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And they've given control to Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Fleabag.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Marcus T
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They'd better swap the lead character to a male, or else everything they claim to stand for is a lie.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - flags aren't lowered for Americans killed by Muslims at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (RDD2k)
If the 70s were run like today, the only way de Palma would have gotten funding were if he were to make a legacy sequel to Notorious with Cary Grant and Ingrid Bergman returning to hand the reins off to the next generation who are also fighting Nazis.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:39 PM (LvTSG)
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I'm trying to imagine some of the cinema greats of yore doing the franchise thing today and my imagination fails me.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (z5vMw)
What they have tons of, is watching other shows and movies.
So of course they're going to kill all exciting IPs-- they write what they know, good little drones who got top marks in school repeating all the right things.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (TzW+Y)
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I think not. Not exactly.
They destroyed a billion-dollar IP because they are themselves BLM (or Antifa, or fill-in-the-blank) activists.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM (4bEcP)
I thought I heard that the writers strike settlement only applies to stuff done here. If they start outsourcing to other countries it doesn't apply.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 04:45 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (eYoxG)
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Eh...Barbie was fairly woke in a 90s feminist sort of way, and it's the biggest movie of the year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:45 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 04:45 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (z5vMw)
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Wyler remade his own movie once.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:45 PM (LvTSG)
What they have tons of, is watching other shows and movies.
So of course they're going to kill all exciting IPs-- they write what they know, good little drones who got top marks in school repeating all the right things.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (TzW+Y)
They watch other shows and movies and...decide they can do it better.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 13, 2023 04:45 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: N at October 13, 2023 04:46 PM (RjBju)
I'm surprised Kathleen Kennedy didn't reply trying to hire them.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 13, 2023 04:46 PM (2ocoG)
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And "giving up" would be the explanation. From what I have seen in reviews - I don't have D+ and don't want it, so I haven't watched it myself - Season 2 is so far better than Season 1 was. Quality is up and they haven't done a bait-and-switch (yet).
If people are tuning out already, when the product is better than it was last time, that means that people are now at the point where it can't even be decently good. It must be *excellent* to retain (let alone gain) audience and anything short of truly amazing product is just going to burn cash even faster.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:47 PM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at October 13, 2023 04:47 PM (gHSfI)
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The red ink is going to be deep and thick.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:47 PM (t0OGg)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (z5vMw)
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Wyler remade his own movie once.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:45 PM (LvTSG)
These Three? I know that was remade, not sure if it was him.
Just saw that last week. Finally, an older movie that featured kids who could actually act.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 13, 2023 04:48 PM (KbCG3)
Most incredibly of all, they resurrected his wife so she could tell him she never loved him, always hated him, and also strongly hinted that "his" kids were not his kids at all -- she was banging a different guy.
Marvel actually turned the Punisher into a cuck.
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Reminds me of the "need" to show people who love Nick Fury how badass Nick Fury, good guy heroic man of action and relentless tough guy choosing a life of fighting constant battles in the hopes of making sure the bad guys lose, wears an eye patch because a pet cat scratched his cornea while snuggling and playing with the kitty.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - flags aren't lowered for Americans killed by Muslims at October 13, 2023 04:48 PM (RDD2k)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Yeah, ain't that the shit?
I have seen neither, have no interest, and have heard that "Barbie" is some kind of total crap fest of wokeness. We can only wait with dogged anticipation for the imitators.
I saw "Ford Vs. Ferrari" on a long plane flight last month, for the first time, and really liked it. Talked to my sister on the phone later, and found out it was her husband's favorite movie. A movie about real life, with men acting like real people.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at October 13, 2023 04:48 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:45 PM (LvTSG)
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Did he do it because he felt his original was lacking or did he do it because he could?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:48 PM (z5vMw)
If people are tuning out already, when the product is better than it was last time, that means that people are now at the point where it can't even be decently good. It must be *excellent* to retain (let alone gain) audience and anything short of truly amazing product is just going to burn cash even faster.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:47 PM (t0OGg)
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When Disney was working through the schedule of when to release Pirates 2 and 3, Gore Verbinski had to actually fight executives to get a year-long gap between the two.
His argument was that Johnny Depp had to have time to get off the cereal boxes, or people would just get tired of it.
Disney execs have been stupid for a while.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:48 PM (LvTSG)
They're reporting that he's "exhausted" and routinely whines to confederates that he regrets having come back from his semi-retirement.
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He put in Chapek under the assumption that Chapek was a cuck who would do as he was told. Chapek wasn't. Iger waded in, kneecapped him (after fucking with him the whole time he was the putative CEO), had the Board fire him, and then came back as the conquering hero.
Except that he came back just as all of his own bad decisions started taking their toll and becoming inescapable disasters. Iger has nobody to blame but himself.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:49 PM (t0OGg)
Quentin Tarantino has entered the chat.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 13, 2023 04:49 PM (CHHv1)
Just saw that last week. Finally, an older movie that featured kids who could actually act.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 13, 2023 04:48 PM (KbCG3)
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Yeah, These Three which he later made again using the play's original title The Children's Hour.
The difference is that The Children's Hour retains the accusation of lesbianism that These Three changed to a premarital heterosexual affair in order to meet Hays Code standards.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:49 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 13, 2023 04:49 PM (Hkcdp)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:48 PM (z5vMw)
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Because he had to cut out material from the original to meet the Hays Code that he could later place back in after the Hays Office lost its power.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:50 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:45 PM (LvTSG)
From reports it was girly and fun woke instead of dour and glum woke which is the standard up to now. Lit up and pretty and cute and not people sitting around in dark rooms having discussions.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 04:50 PM (eoQWY)
Ace has a way with words.
Posted by: Iris at October 13, 2023 04:50 PM (n3DL0)
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice:"
They do know how to work multiple f-bombs into every single conversation.
Posted by: Ripley at October 13, 2023 04:50 PM (JojsZ)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 04:50 PM (8ay+b)
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 13, 2023 04:50 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 13, 2023 04:51 PM (I8nLU)
Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 04:51 PM (MNhXM)
The one that surprised me was Dungeons and Dragons. That was a genuinely fun movie. I was able to forgive the "woman beats up everyone" because of the normal she's-not-human angle, same as in superhero movies. Plus they made her dumb as a stump, which is the opposite of the Mary Sue approach with most movies.
Now that I think about it, that was sort of what made that movie fun. Everyone was flawed, but trying to do their best.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - flags aren't lowered for Americans killed by Muslims at October 13, 2023 04:51 PM (RDD2k)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:45 PM (LvTSG)
From reports it was girly and fun woke instead of dour and glum woke which is the standard up to now. Lit up and pretty and cute and not people sitting around in dark rooms having discussions.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 04:50 PM (eoQWY)
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With America Ferrera having a speech at the end about how the patriarchy is unfair to women who have impossible standards. I haven't seen it, but I've heard it described enough.
The final bits in the real world sound kind of interminable, though I'd probably enjoy living under a benevolent dictatorship of Kens.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:51 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:45 PM (LvTSG)
From reports it was girly and fun woke instead of dour and glum woke which is the standard up to now. Lit up and pretty and cute and not people sitting around in dark rooms having discussions.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 04:50 PM (eoQWY)
Nostalgia play that seemed to be more campy than dour.
Wonder how a Barbie 2 will do now that audiences know what it is.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 13, 2023 04:51 PM (KbCG3)
Does anyone else hate text messaging? I know it's necessity for most, but in the old days with a landline people wouldn't freak out. I used to have a friend who had a message on his land line: "I will call you back within twenty-four hours if this is not an emergency." Now a few people text things like, "But I texted you three hours ago!!" Yes; I was doing something else three hours ago.
Grrrr!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 13, 2023 04:51 PM (RSbhh)
They HATE that he makes money, that he's popular. Just like Alan Moore hates that Rorschach is the most popular character in Watchmen.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 04:51 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 13, 2023 04:52 PM (I8nLU)
It was lit up and pretty and cute and they screamed about The Patriarchy every third line of dialog. The Pitch Meeting captures the flavor.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 13, 2023 04:52 PM (2ocoG)
What they have tons of, is watching other shows and movies.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (TzW+Y)
I think this is a big thing. They say, "Write what you know"-- well, WTF do any of these people actually know?
The best they can do is come up with things that look and sound real, to people who don't know what real looks and sounds like. Example: The Hurt Locker. Won Best Picture, IIRC. The gritty, realistic, depiction of what Iraq is like...
...Except it isn't. It's shit. It's your toilet bowl the morning after you went overboard with the tequila, Corona, Taco Bell and bad life choices. But it's feted because the people who move influence and opinion on this stuff don't know anything.
Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2023 04:52 PM (v27SO)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:48 PM (LvTSG)
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That much is abundantly clear.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:52 PM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 04:51 PM (MNhXM)
Only saw the last one.
It was in that moment where, for the first time in my life, I was envious of Helen Keller.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 13, 2023 04:52 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at October 13, 2023 04:52 PM (/jB2F)
Posted by: N at October 13, 2023 04:52 PM (RjBju)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:50 PM (LvTSG)
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Okay, thanks for the answer. I can see why he remade the movie.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:52 PM (z5vMw)
As they should be; IP infringement is a serious problem, and lawyer-mode Daredevil is just the guy to stop it
Posted by: Anon at October 13, 2023 04:53 PM (fQ0xm)
I do love that there's a movie that is 100% about a girl icon and they have to make sure that everything revolves heavily around the non-character that is the boy. It doesn't get much more girl than that.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - flags aren't lowered for Americans killed by Muslims at October 13, 2023 04:54 PM (RDD2k)
Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 04:51 PM (MNhXM)
Only saw the last one.
It was in that moment where, for the first time in my life, I was envious of Helen Keller.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 13, 2023 04:52 PM (KbCG3)
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I've seen the first two. The second one, the one with Judy Garland, now exists in this kind of weird reconstruction where about 10 minutes is recreated from reconstructed soundtracks and still frame images.
I think I like the first one best.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:54 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (TzW+Y)
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They should read more books if they can't get direct experience...And GOOD books, not woke crap.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 13, 2023 04:54 PM (YIVH2)
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 13, 2023 04:54 PM (TzW+Y)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 04:54 PM (R38qh)
They HATE that he makes money, that he's popular. Just like Alan Moore hates that Rorschach is the most popular character in Watchmen.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 04:51 PM (xcxpd)
Arthur Conan Doyle was always pissed that Sherlock Holmes is the one who made him money. Even killed him off but needed the cash so brought him back.
Its a common enough trope for the fans to take the wrong lesson from your work and enjoy it.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 04:54 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (z5vMw)
Rollerball 3-D
Coming at ya!
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 13, 2023 04:55 PM (4I/2K)
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Funny that Fantastic 4 is up there since that’s one IP that has already failed several times back when people still liked comic book movies.
Posted by: Kermit Gosnell at October 13, 2023 04:55 PM (fKIdX)
Posted by: Maj. Healey - You're On Your Own. Nobody Is Coming To Save You at October 13, 2023 04:55 PM (l10hq)
With America Ferrera having a speech at the end about how the patriarchy is unfair to women who have impossible standards.
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Wait, she's pointing out that men have been trying to meet those unrealistic expectations for decades?
That's awesome if so.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - flags aren't lowered for Americans killed by Muslims at October 13, 2023 04:55 PM (RDD2k)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 04:54 PM (R38qh)
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I'm waiting for Disney to turn it into a series...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 13, 2023 04:55 PM (YIVH2)
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 04:50 PM (eoQWY)
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Plus, it had a different audience.
"Woke" or even just activist messaging isn't necessarily a killer. Barbie had a very specific audience: women between 15 and 40. They made it bright and pink and cheerful and nailed the set design and feel of the movie, and threw it an audience that was tolerant of - or even in favor of - its messaging. That audience went to see it several times and it made a billion dollars. The "Barbenheimer" phenomenon - something that *nobody* could have counted on or predicted - also helped both movies tremendously because it got the husbands to go to Barbie and the wives to go to Oppenheimer.
It can work, and Barbie is a great example of it working. But it doesn't work when the product is lousy and when the appeal is to men or general audiences. Marvel and Star Wars exemplify both downside conditions.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:56 PM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Paladin at October 13, 2023 04:56 PM (cIj06)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (z5vMw)
Rollerball 3-D
Coming at ya!
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 13, 2023 04:55 PM (4I/2K)
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The movie that John McTiernan went to jail over because it was so bad!
Also, he had his producer wiretapped, but it's mostly because it was so terrible!
(Also, the Norman Jewison one is really quite good.)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:56 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Maj. Healey - You're On Your Own. Nobody Is Coming To Save You at October 13, 2023 04:55 PM (l10hq)
Ditto
Posted by: It's me donna at October 13, 2023 04:56 PM (bs+z0)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 04:56 PM (R38qh)
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So season 2 has been announced?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 13, 2023 04:54 PM (TzW+Y)
It was announced a long time ago that it was renewed, tho lately some speculate that might not happen in the bloodbath. It certainly wasn't too popular aside from critics roasting it for views.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 04:56 PM (eoQWY)
I was dragged to that movie and only liked about ten minutes of it at the very end.
There was no chemistry between the leads, Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga.
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 04:56 PM (n/1xr)
It was in that moment where, for the first time in my life, I was envious of Helen Keller.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 13, 2023 04:52 PM (KbCG3)
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I've seen the first two. The second one, the one with Judy Garland, now exists in this kind of weird reconstruction where about 10 minutes is recreated from reconstructed soundtracks and still frame images.
I think I like the first one best.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:54 PM (LvTSG)
The entire move was one giant, horribly-acted cliche. My wife was put on a two-week suspension from picking movies for this.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 13, 2023 04:56 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Preparing gp For Lazy Loading at October 13, 2023 04:57 PM (MvF+J)
Wait...
Posted by: Moron Robbie - flags aren't lowered for Americans killed by Muslims at October 13, 2023 04:57 PM (RDD2k)
You say that now but wait until you answer the iron
Posted by: N at October 13, 2023 04:57 PM (RjBju)
It's apparently not great. Been through it's own fair share of re-edits due to less than great test screenings.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (LvTSG)
Francsis Bastille-Omar-Gonzalez
Posted by: Inogame at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (53oGX)
Marvel comics did indeed do that once.
The comic failed.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (z5vMw) at October 13, 2023 04:44 PM (z5vMw)
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Rollerball 3-D
Coming at ya!
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Apocalypse Now - ME edition
Posted by: Maj. Healey - You're On Your Own. Nobody Is Coming To Save You at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (l10hq)
James Mason swims himself to death. Country was different then.
Posted by: DOYLE at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (Z8Yh2)
You say that now but wait until you answer the iron
Posted by: N at October 13, 2023 04:57 PM (RjBju)
Why would I think or know to do this?
I'm with Seinfeld. The worst part about being blind would be not knowing if there was bugs in your food.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (KbCG3)
https://is.gd/DhnTr7
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (t0OGg)
Instead he destroyed an already shitty company and his own political future with his impatient wokeness.
Maybe we dodged a bullet?
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (GD2xa)
I think that version is the best. The one with Streisand and Kris Kristofersson was so unbelievable.
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (n/1xr)
Posted by: lost in space at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (febTO)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (LvTSG)
Is that the one where people were yelling at him about a prosthetic nose?
Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (v27SO)
James Mason swims himself to death. Country was different then.
Posted by: DOYLE at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (Z8Yh2)
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It's the same ending as the original when Fredric March did it.
Fredric March > James Mason.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Kermit Gosnell at October 13, 2023 04:55 PM (fKIdX)
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Not quite sure why Fantastic Four has never worked as a franchise. Were the comic book stories all that popular? Did the writers of the movies not understand how the chemistry between the characters actually worked?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (YIVH2)
https://is.gd/EbDTwP
Posted by: bonhomme
NO MATZO FOR YOU!
Posted by: Israeli Matzo Nazi....what??? at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (vcOmj)
Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (KiuiP)
Posted by: DOYLE at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (Z8Yh2)
Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (v27SO)
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It's the one where 3 people on Twitter were yelling about his nose and some bored entertainment ezine writer decided to try and make hay out of it, yes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Eromero at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (KiuiP)
Posted by: Just me at October 13, 2023 05:00 PM (+zc9+)
Posted by:
That would be a documentary
Posted by: N at October 13, 2023 05:00 PM (RjBju)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 05:00 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: lost in space at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (febTO)
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They should have shelved the property for a decade after Avengers: Endgame, which was a suitable end to that franchise.
Then reboot it with all new characters and stories in 2029 or so.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 13, 2023 05:00 PM (YIVH2)
Posted by: Drive By at October 13, 2023 05:00 PM (MNhXM)
It's in quick hits. I think i'll post quick hits early because everyone is demanding the AOC Fart Video.
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 05:01 PM (KRtlO)
Coming at ya!
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 13, 2023 04:55 PM (4I/2K)
Top Gun. Sick bags will be provided by be ushers.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 13, 2023 05:01 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 13, 2023 05:01 PM (ufFY8)
I think that version is the best. The one with Streisand and Kris Kristofersson was so unbelievable.
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (n/1xr)
Are you watching me now?
Watch closely now.
Posted by: KK at October 13, 2023 05:01 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 05:00 PM (LvTSG)
The Thing
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 13, 2023 05:02 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2023 05:02 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 05:02 PM (Cu/XA)
Posted by: Maj. Healey - You're On Your Own. Nobody Is Coming To Save You at October 13, 2023 05:02 PM (l10hq)
The second one, the one with Judy Garland, now exists in this kind of weird reconstruction where about 10 minutes is recreated from reconstructed soundtracks and still frame images.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
They used that technique with the original Lost Horizon too.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2023 05:03 PM (63Dwl)
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And yet Deadwood did it better.
They come off as try-hard 98 pound weaklings
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 13, 2023 05:03 PM (TzW+Y)
Posted by: Kermit Gosnell at October 13, 2023 04:55 PM (fKIdX)
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Not quite sure why Fantastic Four has never worked as a franchise. Were the comic book stories all that popular? Did the writers of the movies not understand how the chemistry between the characters actually worked?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (YIVH2)
Both filmed versions of the Fantastic Four refused to lean into the comic book versions of the characters. They had to be 'reinterpreted' and 'updated' to deal with other themes.
Roger Corman actually captured the vibe rather well but his version was never released.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 05:03 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: lost in space at October 13, 2023 05:03 PM (febTO)
yes Frederic March was the best Norman Maine.
As far as the next version is concerned, who could believe that Kris Kristofferson would kill himself over Barbra Streisand?
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 05:03 PM (n/1xr)
That's a lot of words to say "Their appeal is becoming more selective"
Posted by: Ian Faith at October 13, 2023 05:04 PM (xttsV)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 13, 2023 05:03 PM (63Dwl)
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And Greed.
Sometimes, it's the only way. It's still weird, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 05:04 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: DB - at October 13, 2023 05:04 PM (geLO8)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 05:04 PM (8ay+b)
https://is.gd/DhnTr7
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (t0OGg)
oooh, nice
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 05:04 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: lost in space at October 13, 2023 05:04 PM (febTO)
Posted by: lost in space at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (febTO)
if that were true, they'd still be making money.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 05:05 PM (eoQWY)
Sad. Mrs DIG liked him the best, because he always gave Dr. Smith a raft of shit.
And, he was funny.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 13, 2023 05:05 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 05:03 PM (n/1xr)
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She's responsible for William Wyler's only less than good movie, Funny Girl.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 05:05 PM (LvTSG)
lol I'm so triggered right now!
wtf *was* that anyway?
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 05:05 PM (n/1xr)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 13, 2023 05:05 PM (4bEcP)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (YIVH2)
It did, but it's called The Incredibles.
Shallow adaptations/bad writing and lack of relatability, IMO. Doctor Doom is actually a character with depth and breadth if any screenwriter could be bothered to try and explore it. The other issue is they insist on doing the fucking origin story every time, when it's not needed. X-Men showed you could pick up superhero stories in media res from an origin story standpoint and still have it work.
Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2023 05:05 PM (v27SO)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 05:05 PM (R38qh)
Posted by: I'll take half Iger's pay AND make at October 13, 2023 05:06 PM (WSArw)
Posted by: I'll take half Iger's pay AND make good shows at October 13, 2023 05:06 PM (WSArw)
Parents, now is the time to be on guard. We are once again reminding you to be diligent about checking your child's candy throughout the Halloween season. Our biologists have just found THREE invasive bighead carp rolled up and shoved inside an almond joy. We are appalled.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 05:06 PM (8ay+b)
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 05:01 PM (KRtlO)
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Nice to know the Horde is remaining classy...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 13, 2023 05:06 PM (YIVH2)
Posted by: Montec at October 13, 2023 05:02 PM (Cu/XA)
Admit it - you are a Disney + series showrunner. They all describe themselves just like that, or worse.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 05:07 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Casting is everything. at October 13, 2023 05:07 PM (ppBhU)
Gesundheit, motherfucker.
And, GFY.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 13, 2023 05:07 PM (ufFY8)
https://is.gd/DhnTr7
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 13, 2023 04:58 PM (t0OGg)
Cute, fit, and tanned. Yes I would.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 13, 2023 05:07 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: I mean, if you have to be invested in farting, which you shouldn't be. at October 13, 2023 05:08 PM (ppBhU)
https://tinyurl.com/2mas3h6m
kris kristofferson watch closely now
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 05:09 PM (n/1xr)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 13, 2023 05:05 PM (LvTSG)
She stole her entire persona from Fanny Brice.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 05:09 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Maj. Healey - You're On Your Own. Nobody Is Coming To Save You at October 13, 2023 05:09 PM (l10hq)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 13, 2023 04:59 PM (YIVH2)
None of the adaptations ever had any actors that really embodies their roles. Hug Jackman was perfect as wolverine, Patrick Steward was perfect as Xavier, and Ian McCellan was perfect as Magneto. RDJ is Iron Man. Etc.
Fantastic 4 didn’t ever really nail any of the casting decisions in that way.
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at October 13, 2023 05:10 PM (fKIdX)
PS: I am done with anything other than war. (I wish I was younger).
Posted by: Brunnhilde at October 13, 2023 05:10 PM (vR7Eh)
Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2023 05:10 PM (fwDg9)
In the past week I've seen pics of Joseph Bologna, Link Wray, and now Kris Kristofferson, all from the 70s, all with their shirts open to the navel.
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 05:10 PM (n/1xr)
Posted by: Vanya at October 13, 2023 05:11 PM (v27SO)
Posted by: Skill, competence, dedication? No need if you know the right people. at October 13, 2023 05:11 PM (WSArw)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 05:12 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2023 05:12 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: kallisto
At least it wasn't Tiny Tim
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 05:12 PM (8ay+b)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 13, 2023 05:13 PM (b82nJ)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 05:14 PM (8ay+b)
In the past week I've seen pics of Joseph Bologna, Link Wray, and now Kris Kristofferson, all from the 70s, all with their shirts open to the navel.
Posted by: kallisto at October 13, 2023 05:10 PM (n/1xr)
If they have the gold chain neckwear, then it's the 80's.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 13, 2023 05:14 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: Skip at October 13, 2023 05:10 PM (fwDg9)
I always thought that it would be really interesting to have a Superman movie from the perspective of the ground where Superman is just this cosmic force that shows up occasionally and you have to live with him being a thing.
You sort of get a glimpse of that sort of thing at the beginning of BvS, but I’d want to really lean into that direction.
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at October 13, 2023 05:14 PM (fKIdX)
Posted by: It's me donna at October 13, 2023 05:15 PM (bs+z0)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 13, 2023 05:12 PM (xcxpd)
And it isn't an origin story for the team either.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 05:15 PM (eoQWY)
Insert J. J. Jameson laugh here
Posted by: Chuck C at October 13, 2023 05:16 PM (xttsV)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 13, 2023 05:16 PM (8ay+b)
Posted by: ace (wondering why he reads these damn spy novels) at October 13, 2023 05:16 PM (KRtlO)
https://is.gd/97ShYr
Posted by: bonhomme at October 13, 2023 05:16 PM (R38qh)
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 13, 2023 05:18 PM (H2qjM)
Posted by: Alfred E. Neuman at October 13, 2023 05:19 PM (TW6jz)
I saw "Ford Vs. Ferrari" on a long plane flight last month, for the first time, and really liked it. Talked to my sister on the phone later, and found out it was her husband's favorite movie. A movie about real life, with men acting like real people.
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at October 13, 2023 04:48 PM (vcOmj)
The girls and I liked what we called 'Guy Endeavor Movies", where ordinary men did stuff we couldn't (irl) do.
Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at October 13, 2023 05:24 PM (KB0Aa)
Next, Iger will run it through ChatGpt.
lol
Posted by: PJ at October 13, 2023 05:26 PM (G1dq6)
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at October 13, 2023 04:41 PM
Those movies had well written dialog. 1) this generation of writers can't write good dialog; and 2) clever banter is harder to translate for foreign audiences, so now all we get is explosions and voice-over.
Posted by: Chuck C at October 13, 2023 05:30 PM (xttsV)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 13, 2023 05:31 PM (8GBH4)
And that "origin" is still infinitely better than "Cruella DeVille's mom was murdered by dalmations" (hat tip, Producer Guy)
Posted by: Chuck C at October 13, 2023 05:33 PM (xttsV)
'Joe Biden Trips and Almost Falls on His Face'
There's only so many times this could be funny.
Still haven't exceeded it yet.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 13, 2023 05:35 PM (roH4R)
Posted by: eleven at October 13, 2023 05:39 PM (iziT8)
Posted by: eleven at October 13, 2023 05:40 PM (iziT8)
Posted by: Alfred E. Neuman at October 13, 2023 05:19 PM (TW6jz)
You don't have to read or comment on them, you know.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 13, 2023 06:10 PM (eoQWY)
1) You have the perfect actor, Charlie Cox.
2) You have a perfect template, the Netflix series.
3) You have the perfect comic to adapt - Born Again by Frank Miller.
4) You have the perfect actor and character to add to the series, the Punisher played by Jon Bernthal.
How in the world can you possibly fuck that up? How indescribably shitty must you be at your job?
Posted by: Hamas Spokesman at October 13, 2023 06:25 PM (8E/8X)
Posted by: Fire! Bad! at October 13, 2023 06:26 PM (8E/8X)
I loved it too.
You know what movie I hated? "Air". You're making a movie about Michael Jordan, and the hero of the story is...his mom. Oh, and the guy that signed his to endorse sneakers. The real heroes of the story. Without the white savior and his mama, the guy would have been a total failure.
There seem to be a lot of these movies, once you notice - I call them "But the real hero was...." We get more of this bullshit than we get real heroes.
Posted by: Fire! Bad! at October 13, 2023 06:31 PM (8E/8X)
I mean, imagine the 50s where the only thing people knew were the Thin Man sequels.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Not to be pedantic :-), but there certainly more than Thin Man around; The Bowery Boys, Ma and Pa Kettle, Francis the Talking Mule....
Saw all of them in their "original theatrical release". Yeah, I'm old.
Posted by: buddhaha at October 13, 2023 09:20 PM (8NOSb)
he was definitely banging her
Posted by: ace
In a zero gravity environment, I imagine this would be very difficult.
Posted by: Tonypete
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Bungee cords.
Posted by: buddhaha at October 13, 2023 09:31 PM (8NOSb)
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Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)