Survivor of Leftwing Extremist Violence Steve Scalise Wins Republican Conference Vote for Speaker; Now His Name Goes to the Full House

Chuck Callesto
@ChuckCallesto
BREAKING NOW: Steve Scalise wins GOP conference ballot to become the next Speaker of the House...

It's possible that some Republicans won't vote him, forcing the conference to vote for another candidate, but given the perilous situation, I think there will be a unanimous vote in favor.

Is this good? I dunno, I heard he was a moderate.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 01:28 PM

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1 Don't like him

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 01:27 PM (bs+z0)

2 hope it's good news.

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 11, 2023 01:28 PM (nXhwP)

3 Scalise is a McCarthy-esque squish.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 01:28 PM (0N1h0)

4 Sponge

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2023 01:28 PM (GwxCX)

5 Not my favorite

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 01:28 PM (bs+z0)

6 I nooded good and hard.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 11, 2023 01:28 PM (IG4Id)

7 Maybe the scars still hurt/itch.. so we will see

Posted by: Silent at October 11, 2023 01:28 PM (CrU4U)

8 3 Scalise is a McCarthy-esque squish.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 01:28 PM (0N1h0)

I think he's even more wishy washy... We shall see

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 01:28 PM (bs+z0)

9 S.S.D.D.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 11, 2023 01:29 PM (pohLc)

10 Anti2A after getting shot. He can ESAD.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 11, 2023 01:29 PM (l10hq)

11 It's possible that some Republicans won't vote him, forcing the conference to vote for another candidate, but given the perilous situation, I think there will be a unanimous vote in favor.

Is this good? I dunno, I heard he was a moderate.

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Will he have the incentive to do things like returning to regular budgetary order?

Incentives are kind of all that matters anymore. Principles are a joke at this point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:29 PM (LvTSG)

12 He has cancer. I think he is the placeholder choice.

Posted by: WOPR at October 11, 2023 01:29 PM (WFJRS)

13 Does he also rent a room from Luntz?

Posted by: meal team 6 at October 11, 2023 01:30 PM (YGsx5)

14
I would not be surprised if a Democrat got in because of a GOP fuck-up.

In any case, I almost don't care considering the sham that is our government in general.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2023 01:30 PM (x0n13)

15 It's possible that some Republicans won't vote him, forcing the conference to vote for another candidate, but given the perilous situation, I think there will be a unanimous vote in favor.

Is this good? I dunno, I heard he was a moderate.
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Gaetz will capitulate in the name of "comity" because of Israel, or he won't. Scalise is not exactly an improvement, and personally I hope that the Freedom Caucus blocks him. Let it shut down.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:30 PM (t0OGg)

16 Is this good? I dunno, I heard he was a moderate.

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I'm sure we will hear a lot of lamenting from a lot of folks. At the end of the day, it probably doesn't matter much, and if all we got out of it was taking someone down a peg, so be it.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:30 PM (sX1BW)

17 Is he even in good enough health to exercise the powers of Speaker? Not that it probably matters in practice.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 11, 2023 01:30 PM (bhRsz)

18 Not the Warrior We Need (TM).

Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2023 01:30 PM (sm6Pk)

19 I would not be surprised if a Democrat got in because of a GOP fuck-up.

In any case, I almost don't care considering the sham that is our government in general.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2023 01:30 PM (x0n13)
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If that didn't happen back in January, I doubt it will happen now.

We'll see, I suppose, on the 15th ballot...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:31 PM (t0OGg)

20 Anti2A after getting shot. He can ESAD.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 11, 2023 01:29 PM (l10hq)

Not that you're wrong here, but is there any pol you *don't* hate?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 11, 2023 01:31 PM (nC+QA)

21 Moderate compared to what? Compared to Gaetz, yes. Compared to McCarthy, no. He is on the conservative side of the caucus. He is also not a publicity hound, he has always preferred doing his work quietly. Other than being shot, he has a track record of success.

Look at it this way, given the rules, no sane person would take this job. He is willing to do it. It is probably a one year gig, he has cancer. BUT, in every article about him they will now have to mention that we was shot by a Bernie Bros. No more memory holing leftist violence. That is worth a lot.

Posted by: Vairish84 at October 11, 2023 01:31 PM (3vtHv)

22 He's totally gonna show Biden man!! Instead of giving him 99.999% of what he wants, like McCarthy, he'll fight and only give him 99.998%.

Posted by: Montec at October 11, 2023 01:31 PM (bWsRe)

23 >>Not that you're wrong here, but is there any pol you *don't* hate?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette

Anyone that supports the 2A fully. The rest can eff off.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 11, 2023 01:31 PM (l10hq)

24 Is he even in good enough health to exercise the powers of Speaker? Not that it probably matters in practice.
Posted by: Dr. T at October 11, 2023 01:30 PM (bhRsz)

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I dunno, my mom has the same kind of cancer he does. After one round of chemo six years ago, she's been fine until recently.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 11, 2023 01:32 PM (DRSnL)

25 I rpefer the government be totally locked until Jan 21, 2025

Posted by: henry at October 11, 2023 01:32 PM (JMDly)

26 BUT, in every article about him they will now have to mention that we was shot by a Bernie Bros

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Yeah you'd think that. But no.
- MSM

Posted by: Montec at October 11, 2023 01:32 PM (bWsRe)

27 As long as the hard core magats keep him under control, does it matter? No omnibus bills, no debt ceiling increases, no continuing resolutions.

If he does that, he'll be 60% successful. Asking him to cut spending on top of that...he's probably too much of a squish

Posted by: BifBewalski at October 11, 2023 01:32 PM (3CCua)

28 Not that you're wrong here, but is there any pol you *don't* hate?

Is this a trick question?

Posted by: Hate Has a Home Here and a Timeshare in Florida. at October 11, 2023 01:32 PM (ppBhU)

29 He's kinda soft, but good on big tech issue.

Posted by: Cory C at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (p7C70)

30 Will he have the incentive to do things like returning to regular budgetary order?

Incentives are kind of all that matters anymore. Principles are a joke at this point.

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We also don't know what the Freedom Caucus will negotiate for its support - assuming they will support him.

I'm willing to at least see what Scalise does - again assuming he wins.

To me he has a quick winning issue. Making sure we get that $6 billion back from Iran. Its small $, but something worth fighting over.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (sX1BW)

31 I heard he was a moderate.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace

So he only votes with the Libs just over 1/2 the time...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (8quvU)

32 BUT, in every article about him they will now have to mention that we was shot by a Bernie Bros. No more memory holing leftist violence. That is worth a lot.

Yeah, no they won't.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (pohLc)

33 I am OK with Scalise.

As long as the rules allow anyone to challenge his Speakership, just like the lying previous shithead.

Posted by: rd at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (fjZO2)

34 Gah, willowed:

Whether or not Scalise has better motives than McCarthy seems irrelevant. Scalise at least has the example that there are people like Gaetz in a position to knock him down if he promises but doesn't deliver, and that the dems won't save him because of "muh collegiality" or whatever. That means there's a chance he'll be more inclined to actually deliver for us, out of his own self interest. Is that a huge chance? Eh, probably not, but it's not nothing.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (fKIdX)

35 So what did Gaetz gain ? Hmmm, Let me think about it....NOTHING.

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (+bPgI)

36 Hopefully a somewhat chastised McCarthy-like figure.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (aD39U)

37 Didn't think they'd actually let Jordan win.

To be blunt, I bet the RINO GOPe laughed at him, but they had to PRETEND that he was 'in the running' to make it look like they didn't just crown their next 'moderate' to 'negotiate' with Democrats.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (setIA)

38 His beatdown by the Bernie bro was a reminder for him to mind his place. I do sympathize, but he's now a minion of the Uniparty. Business as usual.

Posted by: Rex Mundi at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (coZYD)

39 20 Not that you're wrong here, but is there any pol you *don't* hate?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 11, 2023 01:31 PM (nC+QA)

Find one willing to crush and ruin the lives of leftists, and you'll have a starting point.

Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (sm6Pk)

40 He has cancer. I think he is the placeholder choice.
Posted by: WOPR at October 11, 2023 01:29 PM (WFJRS)

I assume he is the uniparty's choice until the next election de-fangs the freedom caucus. Then they'll put in another anti-liberty, big spending stooge.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (uvymP)

41 Anti2A after getting shot. He can ESAD.

There's only one fix for that:
1) Brandon Herrera (yes, the gun YouTuber) wins his race to replace anti-2A immigration squish Tony Gonzales
2) Make him the Speaker

No third step necessary.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 11, 2023 01:34 PM (2ocoG)

42 Not a good choice. As others have noticed he’s a squish. For the entertainment value I would’ve much preferred Jordan as his particular brand of sleeves rolled up wrestling rhetoric is at least humorous. We might’ve even seen a wife beater T in the speakers chair. Scalise is so GOPe even getting shot didn’t change his basic attitudes….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 01:34 PM (d96zn)

43 Scalise always takes one for the team. (Too soon?)

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2023 01:34 PM (GwxCX)

44 Look at it this way, given the rules, no sane person would take this job. He is willing to do it. It is probably a one year gig, he has cancer. BUT, in every article about him they will now have to mention that we was shot by a Bernie Bros. No more memory holing leftist violence. That is worth a lot.
Posted by: Vairish84 at October 11, 2023 01:31 PM (3vtHv)

You're right, other than the fact that 'Bernie' will never be mentioned in any if those articles. Can't defame the MSM patron saint.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 11, 2023 01:34 PM (bWBL1)

45 An unofficial 'second job' of Speakers is fundraising. Neither Jim nor Steve are in the top cadre of that skillset in the Caucus.

Posted by: geewhiz at October 11, 2023 01:34 PM (65K9+)

46 Maybe he's an Upgrayedd over McCarthy.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at October 11, 2023 01:34 PM (bNf8H)

47 BTW Ace. I propose that anytime you headline Scalise you use victim of leftwing violence. TM it.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2023 01:34 PM (GwxCX)

48 Look at it this way, given the rules, no sane person would take this job. He is willing to do it. It is probably a one year gig, he has cancer. BUT, in every article about him they will now have to mention that we was shot by a Bernie Bros. No more memory holing leftist violence. That is worth a lot.
Posted by: Vairish84 at October 11, 2023 01:31 PM (3vtHv)
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What rules? The rules that were in place for decades before Pelosi reversed them? The condition that, because they have a tiny majority (partly McCarthy's doing, when he and McDaniel ran McConnell's playbook and deliberately kneecapped GOP candidates in various races by withdrawing funding and support, so as to achieve that tiny minority in the hopes of increasing his own grip), the Speaker *will* be held accountable to a minority within that party?

These aren't new rules. These are the old rules.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:35 PM (t0OGg)

49 I can't think of a thing that they gained by removing McCarthy. Scalise might even be softer than mac.

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:35 PM (+bPgI)

50 Start the impeachment process for Mayorkas and Garland tomorrow.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 11, 2023 01:35 PM (7B5FA)

51 Anti2A after getting shot. He can ESAD.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 11, 2023 01:29 PM (l10hq)

Not that you're wrong here, but is there any pol you *don't* hate?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette

*votes for MTG's legs,with Boobert's Bewbs*

Posted by: BifBewalski at October 11, 2023 01:35 PM (3CCua)

52 Scalise is so wimpy even mush is too strong for him. But with a 113-99 vote between him and Jordan, maybe he'll be weaker and thus more pliable. That's about the most optimism I can muster.

Posted by: But I'm not really pessimistic on this either. at October 11, 2023 01:35 PM (ppBhU)

53 35 So what did Gaetz gain ? Hmmm, Let me think about it....NOTHING.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (+bPgI)

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If Gaetz made the point that "You break your promise (no CR), you lose your job", then that is something.

Posted by: JM in illinois, behold the Manchurian President at October 11, 2023 01:35 PM (zZ3l8)

54 At least it isn't McCarthy again, which is an actual possibility in the Surrender Party.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 11, 2023 01:35 PM (aD39U)

55 I would have preferred Jordan, but I'm ok with Jordan staying where he is.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:35 PM (sX1BW)

56 I can't think of a thing that they gained by removing McCarthy. Scalise might even be softer than mac.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:35 PM (+bPgI)
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For the first time in living memory, a major politician and Party leader was forced to accept accountability for failure.

That alone is worth it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (t0OGg)

57 Major exaggeration for effect but you could put in Pelosi for all I care if she would keep the promises that McCarthy was supposed to have kept.

Posted by: Drive By at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (MNhXM)

58 Can the Capitol police arrest Hayden?

Posted by: Goatweed at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (0Q/6W)

59 Should of put Trump in there.. At least it would have been entertaining

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (bs+z0)

60 35 So what did Gaetz gain ? Hmmm, Let me think about it....NOTHING.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (+bPgI)

He did the right thing, whatever his motivations. McCarthy had to go for being a lying shitweasel.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (x0n13)

61 For those of us who were shocked that for one brief, shining moment the ADL stood on their hind legs like people, norms restored!

ADL
@ADL
White supremacist leaders are openly celebrating Hamas’s attack on Israel, cheering explicit depictions of violence against Israelis and promoting brutality against Jews worldwide.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (FVME7)

62 I can't think of a thing that they gained by removing McCarthy.

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What did they lose?

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (sX1BW)

63 If we're gonna go with Scalise why didn't we just keep McCarthy, it's the same thing.

Posted by: Jaimo at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (DBrN4)

64 Pliable... yeah Pelosi has plans

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (+bPgI)

65 Speaker vote is at 3pm. Scalise is not likely to win immediately. There's going to be horse trading and deal making.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (0N1h0)

66 Anti2A after getting shot.

Talk about learning the wrong lesson...

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (nfrXX)

67 Well thank G-d McCarthys piss boy won, wouldn't want to upend any rice bowls or stop the money flow to the sluices.

Or Alternatively...

The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (ekaaj)

68 If we're gonna go with Scalise why didn't we just keep McCarthy, it's the same thing.
Posted by: Jaimo at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (DBrN4)
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Take his scalp, too, if he fails to deliver.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (t0OGg)

69 61 For those of us who were shocked that for one brief, shining moment the ADL stood on their hind legs like people, norms restored!

ADL
@ADL
White supremacist leaders are openly celebrating Hamas’s attack on Israel, cheering explicit depictions of violence against Israelis and promoting brutality against Jews worldwide.

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Funny way to describe BLM.

Posted by: henry at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (JMDly)

70 Here's an example of McCarthy intentionally undermining Republican efforts in the house in 2022:

NH-1

McCarthy supported Matt Mowers. Trump supported Karoline Leavitt. Leavitt won the primary.

Leavitt received $10,000 total from the Congressional Leadership Fund. She raised no money from national Republican-aligned Super PACs. Her opponent, Chris Pappas, raised at least $200,000 from national Democrat-aligned Super PACs.

McCarthy simply cut her off, and she lost.

But no, McCarthy definitely did not undermine efforts in the House to gain a Republican majority.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (LvTSG)

71 35 So what did Gaetz gain ? Hmmm, Let me think about it....NOTHING.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (+bPgI)

Respectfully disagree. When Dave Brat beat Eric Cantor, it showed the establishment that the base can bite back. Gaetz does the same thing now. We'll see if Scalice needs the warning.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (bWBL1)

72 You'd think after being shot up by a Democrat head case aligned with, which Senator?,

Scalise would be all in on not giving a flying fuck what the Dims want and to hell with comity.

Buuuuuut, that may not be the case, it seems.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (QzZeQ)

73 What did they lose?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (sX1BW)

Someone dems hated?

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (+bPgI)

74 Guy gets shot by Democrat, still thinks Democrats are good people we can work with.

A perfect representative of the Republican party.

Posted by: Methos at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (Dnobf)

75 I think there will be a unanimous vote in favor.

Sorry about that whole attempted murder thing, friend...

Posted by: Dems at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (08CnU)

76 Catturd ™ @catturd2 2h
Why is the GOP picking a Speaker with secret ballots behind closed doors?

Why do they continually do the wrong thing?

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (krqg6)

77 53 35 So what did Gaetz gain ? Hmmm, Let me think about it....NOTHING.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (+bPgI)
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Next Governor of FL?

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (Wg6v7)

78 I expect regular order, House appropriations bills, a 30% reduction in government spending, and to be terribly disappointed.

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (v0R5T)

79 >>Scalise always takes one for the team.

Some would say he's the backstop of the party.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (EbesW)

80 Scalise is a Pony Faced Horse Soldier that smells of Elderberries and his Mother was a Shrew.........

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (LrYuZ)

81 27 As long as the hard core magats keep him under control, does it matter? No omnibus bills, no debt ceiling increases, no continuing resolutions.

If he does that, he'll be 60% successful. Asking him to cut spending on top of that...he's probably too much of a squish
Posted by: BifBewalski at October 11, 2023 01:32 PM (3CCua)

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Close the Border!!! This is even a winning issue with Blue Shithole Democrats now.

Release the J6 videos.

We will have to do debt ceiling increases as long as we do deficit spending. Until we balance the budget, we will increase US Debt.

Posted by: rd at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (k5A3V)

82 62 I can't think of a thing that they gained by removing McCarthy.

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What did they lose?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (sX1BW)

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NRO was very disappointed. Also, the business of the House was slowed. How awful.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (LvTSG)

83 If getting shot by a Bernie Bro doesn't change your worldview about the Left, then nothing will.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (CwhoI)

84 Soft Serve Steve...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (TGPs7)

85 Take his scalp, too, if he fails to deliver.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (t0OGg)

This is the only option. Repeat as needed.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (pohLc)

86 78 I expect regular order, House appropriations bills, a 30% reduction in government spending, and to be terribly disappointed.
Posted by: wth at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (v0R5T)

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Want a bridge in Brooklyn?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:39 PM (LvTSG)

87 Another hoax hate crime exposed in LA.

https://is.gd/Ft0Iq8

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 01:39 PM (0N1h0)

88 Want a bridge in Brooklyn?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:39 PM (LvTSG)
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Nah. I don't live in Brooklyn.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:39 PM (t0OGg)

89 >>ADL
@ADL
White supremacist leaders are openly celebrating Hamas’s attack on Israel, cheering explicit depictions of violence against Israelis and promoting brutality against Jews worldwide.

Finally. They are going after the Harvard Faculty!

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2023 01:39 PM (EbesW)

90 > Also, the business of the House was slowed.

Sounds like a win to me.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 01:39 PM (0N1h0)

91 Yes, yes, I know, but it could force some in the BiteMe admin to resign:

@BIZPACReview
Tuberville reports ex-CIA director to Capitol police for tweet endorsing his removal ‘from human race’

Calls for a "politically motivated assassination" were not idly met as Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R) fired back at the ex-CIA director's "disgusting" statement with a report to the Capitol Police.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 11, 2023 01:40 PM (IG4Id)

92 NRO was very disappointed. Also, the business of the House was slowed. How awful.

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Of course. Once the House passed a CR, there was no business to be done.

Too soon to tell if anything of value was gained, but I'm willing to give Scalise a chance.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:40 PM (sX1BW)

93 Same old kabuki bukakke theater. Just swapping one go along to get along with another one. We are screwed.

Posted by: FrankinTexas...fed up to here at October 11, 2023 01:40 PM (VcHM+)

94 It is all theater.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 01:40 PM (slgIg)

95 @55

>>I would have preferred Jordan, but I'm ok with Jordan staying where he is.

I wanted Hern from Oklahoma, at the very least it would be elevating a Rep from the most Republican state.

Unfortunately he pussed out and apparently our reward is a GOPe bucket boy.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 11, 2023 01:40 PM (ekaaj)

96 Not that you're wrong here, but is there any pol you *don't* hate?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at October 11, 2023 01:31 PM (nC+QA)

He wants to argue but he only paid for the five minute argument.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 11, 2023 01:40 PM (xhaym)

97 66 Anti2A after getting shot.

Talk about learning the wrong lesson...

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (nfrXX)

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And prior to Oct. 7th, I would have bet the farm that all Israelis 12 years of age and older would have been trained and armed, and that gun ownership would have been mandatory. I would have lost said farm.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 11, 2023 01:40 PM (N76Wh)

98 68 Take his scalp, too, if he fails to deliver.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (t0OGg)

He will.

What we need is someone out for blood, out to take Demoncrat scalps.

But no GOPer would ever dare.

Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2023 01:41 PM (sm6Pk)

99 Personally, I would have made Nancy Mace's tatas co-speakers of the house, and insisted that she open the house each morning by jumping on a trampoline.

Posted by: She seems like she wants the attention. at October 11, 2023 01:41 PM (ppBhU)

100 Oh, another thing about NH-1.

McCarthy did spend in 2022. He spent almost $2 million...in the primary.

He thought it was important enough to try to win the primary, but when he lost the primary he just pulled stakes and left the Republican winner to waste away.

The important thing to learn about how Democrats and Republicans treat their nominees is that Democrats treat their embarrassments as regular nominees (think Fetterman) while Republicans treat their inconveniences as disgusting trash that should be ignored and cast out.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:41 PM (LvTSG)

101 Incentives are kind of all that matters anymore. Principles are a joke at this point.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:29 PM (LvTSG)

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Modern day American governance has very little in the way of public based incentives.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 11, 2023 01:41 PM (cMXNt)

102 Speaker? I still want Phil Swift.

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (v0R5T)

103 Next Governor of FL?

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It's the hair, isn't it...,

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (+bPgI)

104 101 Modern day American governance has very little in the way of public based incentives.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 11, 2023 01:41 PM (cMXNt)

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And yet, trillions of dollars flying around.

Probably not a bad combination.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (LvTSG)

105 The LA Times keeping its eye on the ball!

The LA Times is really out here reporting on the racism of bird segregation in Los Angeles. I'm not kidding.

https://tinyurl.com/96u9mruk

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (FVME7)

106 >>Scalise always takes one for the team.

Some would say he's the backstop of the party.
Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (EbesW)

He always has a shot.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (CBBR5)

107 I would have lost said farm.
Posted by: washrivergal at October 11, 2023 01:40 PM (N76Wh)

Yep. There are a metric shit ton of leftards in Israel.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (pohLc)

108 I'm willing to give Scalise a chance.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (02HbG)

109 It is all theater.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 01:40 PM (slgIg)

Entitlements make up, what, 80% of the budget? Until those are dealt with then yes, it is theater on the budget side.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (xhaym)

110 Catturd ™ @catturd2 2h
Why is the GOP picking a Speaker with secret ballots behind closed doors?

Why do they continually do the wrong thing?
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 01:38 PM (krqg6)

====

Why? The same reason Democrats do closed doors secret meetings.

It gives the appearance of unity. Yes I know these Prima Donnas will squeal the entire vote and faction to all the Washington assholes anyway.

Posted by: rd at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (k5A3V)

111 Yep. There are a metric shit ton of leftards in Israel.
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Yep.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (Wg6v7)

112 Have to see how the votes turn out, and maybe just see-if he is elected/ how he does before people start wishing he ESAD?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (Dp1ER)

113 I doubt it matters at all.

The are all Top. Men.

Even the women.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (vivhj)

114 NC Research @RNCResearch 17h
At a pro-Israel rally, Democrat Sen. Ed Markey calls for "de-escalation," even amid the unspeakable crimes committed against innocent Israelis by Hamas terrorists.

The crowd immediately starts booing him

L A R R Y @LarryOConnor 17h
Massachusetts Dem Senator calls for "de-escalation" and even the voters in the crowd are having none of it.

Why do Democrat elected officials instinctively call for surrender to terrorists whenever possible?

Catturd ™ @catturd2 5h
Listen to those Booooooooooooooooooos!

https://tinyurl.com/3fnf8svn
19 seconds

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (krqg6)

115 89 >>ADL
@ADL
White supremacist leaders are openly celebrating Hamas’s attack on Israel, cheering explicit depictions of violence against Israelis and promoting brutality against Jews worldwide.

Finally. They are going after the Harvard Faculty!
Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2023 01:39 PM (EbesW)

Ok who?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (eggM4)

116 100 The important thing to learn about how Democrats and Republicans treat their nominees is that Democrats treat their embarrassments as regular nominees (think Fetterman) while Republicans treat their inconveniences as disgusting trash that should be ignored and cast out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:41 PM (LvTSG)

Demoncrats EMBRACE their embarrassments because they can rub everyone's noses in it.

Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2023 01:43 PM (sm6Pk)

117 @70

>>McCarthy simply cut her off, and she lost.

Well she obviously wasn't a "quality candidate" not like that Fetterman guy who is all dreamy and sh*t.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 11, 2023 01:43 PM (ekaaj)

118 End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
"It’s okay to be white"
ADL: Condemns

Ok hand gesture
ADL: Condemns

White Lives Matter
ADL: Condemns

BLM Chicago: We support the Hamas paratroopers
who gunned down Jews
ADL: No comment

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 11, 2023 01:44 PM (TGPs7)

119 35 So what did Gaetz gain ? Hmmm, Let me think about it....NOTHING.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (+bPgI)

_________________________

The benefit I see is that no one is going to want to end up like McCarthy. These squishy republicans are all about appearance and media access. McCarthy left with a big fat "L" on his forehead. A persona non-grata. That's worse to most of these guys than losing an election.

Posted by: Orson at October 11, 2023 01:44 PM (dIske)

120 I can't imagine there be a vote without them making sure they had enough. Otherwise, it would be horribly embarrassing for all involved. Right? RIGHT?

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 11, 2023 01:44 PM (CwhoI)

121 117 @70

>>McCarthy simply cut her off, and she lost.

Well she obviously wasn't a "quality candidate" not like that Fetterman guy who is all dreamy and sh*t.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 11, 2023 01:43 PM (ekaaj)

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Man, holding onto the "quality candidate" trump card is just the best, isn't it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:44 PM (LvTSG)

122 Not a fan, but I suppose we'll see

Posted by: Magzzz at October 11, 2023 01:44 PM (MQcpF)

123 It says nothing good about the GOP that in a secret ballot (why secret??) the two top candidates were Scalise and Jordan. Sheesh….that’s the best they have to offer?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 01:44 PM (d96zn)

124 How 'bout the J6 videos?

Posted by: kactus at October 11, 2023 01:44 PM (rkpIx)

125 Even if he is unhealthy, the house is a show. It is completely run by the staffers the pols are just there for show and to fundraise. The only thing that matters is see if he puts his own staff in charge of the speaker's office or just takes the current staff.

Posted by: bob at October 11, 2023 01:44 PM (6UZVS)

126 It's cool, he'll be there until the next short-sighted man child gets his ass on his shoulders and votes with all the democrats to kick him out and really make the republicans look like they know how to actually govern rather than assemble a circular firing squad.

This will continue until nobody in the House republican conference is willing to be the next stooge they stand up there, and we'll get a really sweet coalition government with the Democrats who definitely won't do everything in their power to fuck everything up.

Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (oqH4h)

127 118 BLM Chicago: We support the Hamas paratroopers
who gunned down Jews
ADL: No comment
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 11, 2023 01:44 PM (TGPs7)

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The ADL is a grift.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (LvTSG)

128 Jordan would have been better.

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (+bPgI)

129 he ESAD?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (Dp1ER

yeah, while he's not my favorite he probably doesn't deserve that... yet

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (bs+z0)

130 It was either Scalise or Jordan, and I don't see much difference between the two, so whatever.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (i9ffA)

131 114 NC Research @RNCResearch 17h
At a pro-Israel rally, Democrat Sen. Ed Markey calls for "de-escalation," even amid the unspeakable crimes committed against innocent Israelis by Hamas terrorists.

The crowd immediately starts booing him

L A R R Y @LarryOConnor 17h
Massachusetts Dem Senator calls for "de-escalation" and even the voters in the crowd are having none of it.

Why do Democrat elected officials instinctively call for surrender to terrorists whenever possible?

Catturd ™ @catturd2 5h
Listen to those Booooooooooooooooooos!

https://tinyurl.com/3fnf8svn
19 seconds
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (krqg6)

Perhaps Hamas could deescalate by recognizing the rights of jews to live.

Like being an "ally"of the lefty cause de jour... calls for deescalation are a one way street.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (eggM4)

132 128 Jordan would have been better.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (+bPgI)

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As a home for Palestinians?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (LvTSG)

133 >>>Even if he is unhealthy, the house is a show. It is completely run by the staffers

Just like the Army.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (CwhoI)

134 Well. If he's smart he will know what will get him booted.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (uSHSS)

135 It says nothing good about the GOP that in a secret ballot (why secret??) the two top candidates were Scalise and Jordan. Sheesh….that’s the best they have to offer?

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Eh ... I can't get too worked up over this process.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (sX1BW)

136 Scalise is my congressman. Let the free shit flow!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (JTwsP)

137 The ADL is a grift.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

No, worse. It's a neo-marxist weapon.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (IG4Id)

138 The LA Times keeping its eye on the ball!

The LA Times is really out here reporting on the racism of bird segregation in Los Angeles. I'm not kidding.

https://tinyurl.com/96u9mruk

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (FVME7)

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"Bird Segregation Now, Bird Segregation Tomorrow, Bird Segregation Forever!"

-- Zombie George Wallace

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (VbuYe)

139 I'm willing to give Scalise a chance.
Posted by: nurse ratched

"All we are saying is give Scalise a chance"?

Posted by: SFGoth at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (KAi1n)

140 >>Jordan would have been better.

Cold.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (EbesW)

141 132 As a home for Palestinians?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (LvTSG)

Hell is the only home for them.

Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (sm6Pk)

142 >>>Anti2A after getting shot. He can ESAD.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

Oh no Maj. Healey! And you "Reported," quoting from Trump Tiger Beat magazine, that Trump didn't like him because he was a "close talker"!!! How can it be that Trump taking a childish shot at him failed to sink him completely?!?!

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (KRtlO)

143 ... This will continue until nobody in the House republican conference is willing to be the next stooge they stand up there, and we'll get a really sweet coalition government with the Democrats who definitely won't do everything in their power to fuck everything up.
Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (oqH4h)
++++
Or he can deliver on the promises extracted from him as a condition of his Speakership.

Whichever.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (t0OGg)

144 60 35 So what did Gaetz gain ? Hmmm, Let me think about it....NOTHING.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (+bPgI)

He did the right thing, whatever his motivations. McCarthy had to go for being a lying shitweasel.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (x0n13)

I agree, the point of the action was to show that Leadership had to be accountable for the promises they make.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (i9ffA)

145 I'm willing to give Scalise a chance.
Posted by: nurse ratched

"All we are saying is give Scalise a chance"?
Posted by: SFGoth at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (KAi1n)

Imagine whirled Scalise.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (4I/2K)

146 Scalise fucks up, he's outta there. Go to the next assclown.

Wash, rinse, repeat as necessary.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (CBBR5)

147 143 Or he can deliver on the promises extracted from him as a condition of his Speakership.

Whichever.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (t0OGg)

========

"That's not how this works...That's not how any of this works..."
-That old lady from the GEICO commercial

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (LvTSG)

148 The leader of Hamas made a global call to all Muslims to do violence this Friday.

Just so you know.

https://is.gd/n3oA9V

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (0N1h0)

149 It is all theater.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 01:40 PM (slgIg)

You can't be taken as a serious pundit unless you say it's "kabuki".

Posted by: spindrift at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (lqvum)

150 I hate to be this person but…does it really matter? And who thinks it’s a good idea to have a moderate right now? ( if it does matter)

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (DcKNO)

151 Of the two I liked Jordan better... We shall see...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (bs+z0)

152 >>>Even if he is unhealthy, the house is a show. It is completely run by the staffers

Just like the Army.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 11, 2023 01:46 PM (CwhoI)

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And the current White House.

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (VbuYe)

153 >>ADL
@ADL
White supremacist leaders are openly celebrating Hamas’s attack on Israel, cheering explicit depictions of violence against Israelis and promoting brutality against Jews worldwide.

Finally. They are going after the Harvard Faculty!
Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2023 01:39 PM

=====••

So, does that mean the Hamas supporting BLM are really just the Klan with Blackface?

Posted by: rd at October 11, 2023 01:48 PM (k5A3V)

154 I am glad we can get past all of this.

I am willing to give Scalise a chance.

Hopefully he learned what NOT to do from Kevin.

But we need to show LIV’s the GOP is serious and can govern.

If Americans are finally waking up to the utter disaster the Dems have made of this country, we may be able to keep the house and grab the Senate.

Elections have consequences.

Let’s hope the GOP can keep us moving in the right direction. We need some sanity.

Posted by: Czech Chick at October 11, 2023 01:48 PM (0rsFX)

155 So it seems to me at worst things sort of stay the same.

At best, Scalise surprises us and makes some positive changes.

I'll give him a chance while minimizing my hopeful expectations.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:48 PM (sX1BW)

156 He opposed the pistol brace rule. Supports national reciprocity for concealed carry permit holders, in addition to other pro 2nd amendment positions. He has an A+ rating from the NRA, for worth. Plus he's a local boy.

Posted by: Javems at October 11, 2023 01:48 PM (8I4hW)

157 The benefit I see is that no one is going to want to end up like McCarthy. These squishy republicans are all about appearance and media access. McCarthy left with a big fat "L" on his forehead. A persona non-grata. That's worse to most of these guys than losing an election.
Posted by: Orson at Oc

Scalise might win with the help of dems. Then what? The only reason they were able to hold mac to account is because he made a deal with conservatives . Scalise might not take the same route.

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:48 PM (+bPgI)

158 McCarthy saw the storm brewing and tweeted out "Meet me outside. How 'bout dat." And Gaetz did. McCarthy lost because . . . wait for it . . . he didn't actually have the Democrat support he thought he did. But this is all somehow proof that backbenchers like Gaetz are doubleplusungood. The goalpost-moving here is hilarious: from this is a disaster that threaten's GOP control of the house and its agenda to this did nothing in under a week.

Posted by: What a clownshow all around. at October 11, 2023 01:48 PM (ppBhU)

159 I personally don't care if the speaker doesn't perfectly toe the conservative line.
What needs to change is the Republicans only allowing moderates or liberal republicans to lead and to set policy.
If the speaker isn't perfect, but respects the base and what the base wants to see it's big win as we haven't had that.

Posted by: Inogame at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (53oGX)

160 156 He opposed the pistol brace rule. Supports national reciprocity for concealed carry permit holders, in addition to other pro 2nd amendment positions. He has an A+ rating from the NRA, for worth. Plus he's a local boy.
Posted by: Javems at October 11, 2023 01:48 PM (8I4hW)

=======

Is he willing to shut down the government when the Senate takes control over the budget process...again?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (LvTSG)

161 And prior to Oct. 7th, I would have bet the farm that all Israelis 12 years of age and older would have been trained and armed, and that gun ownership would have been mandatory. I would have lost said farm.

At least they're moving in the right direction if far too slowly and weakly. Instead of just making it a little easier to get a permit for a pistol and 50 rounds of ammo, they should be dropping crates of M4s and pallets of ammo in the city centers.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (nfrXX)

162 >>I agree, the point of the action was to show that Leadership had to be accountable for the promises they make.

And that their entire careers are balanced at the top of the Jenga stack.

McCarthy is done in Politics. Now he'll have to go suck dicks on 'K' Street.

Posted by: garrett at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (EbesW)

163 with respect, if you want more power in the House, you have to win more seats in the House.

This idea that you can spin victories out of electoral losses (or minority positions) just by being more aggressive is dumb.

I never expected Gaetz's attention-seeking stunt to achieve much beyond giving Gaetz the attention he sought because at the end of the day, conservatives remain a minority in the GOP. If you want to change that, you have to win elections.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (KRtlO)

164 Catturd ™ @catturd2 5h
Listen to those Booooooooooooooooooos!

https://tinyurl.com/3fnf8svn
19 seconds
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (krqg6)
.........

Squaw Warren looks like she just bit into a lemon.

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (v0R5T)

165 Going out with a . . . . Well, not exactly a bang.

The 104-year-old who broke the record for oldest sky diver just died in her sleep a week later and DANG if that isn't an example of living life to the fullest 💪

https://tinyurl.com/mvy4xp9h

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (FVME7)

166 For those of us who were shocked that for one brief, shining moment the ADL stood on their hind legs like people, norms restored!

ADL
@ADL
White supremacist leaders are openly celebrating Hamas’s attack on Israel, cheering explicit depictions of violence against Israelis and promoting brutality against Jews worldwide.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2023 01:36 PM (FVME7)

I've never seen them refer to leftists as white supremacists before. I wonder if BLM knows that they're leaders in the white supremacy movement.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (uvymP)

167 You can't be taken as a serious pundit unless you say it's "kabuki".
Posted by: spindrift at October 11, 2023 01:47 PM (lqvum)
++++
Except that it isn't.

Kabuki is alien to me and I find it off-putting and weird, but I can see how it is very, very precise and how careful the execution is and the amount of skill, practice and dedication it takes. Like any art form, it has much history and many rules and its practitioners - at least, the ones who do it professionally - take it extremely seriously and hone their craft for a very long time.

Our politics are nothing like that. It's bukkake theater.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (t0OGg)

168 Scalise gets his fair test.

Omnibus.

[ ] Yes
[ ] Nay

Posted by: 13times at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (VZPAA)

169 135 It says nothing good about the GOP that in a secret ballot (why secret??) the two top candidates were Scalise and Jordan. Sheesh….that’s the best they have to offer?
-----------
Eh ... I can't get too worked up over this process.
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Well, Elvis has been dead for quite a while.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (Wg6v7)

170 Give Scalise a chance, but keep the banhammer cocked and hanging over his head. Just in case....

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (pohLc)

171 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (IXZGh)

172 The 104-year-old who broke the record for oldest sky diver just died in her sleep a week later and DANG if that isn't an example of living life to the fullest 💪

https://tinyurl.com/mvy4xp9h
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (FVME7)

Good way to go... RIP...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (bs+z0)

173 163 I never expected Gaetz's attention-seeking stunt to achieve much beyond giving Gaetz the attention he sought because at the end of the day, conservatives remain a minority in the GOP. If you want to change that, you have to win elections.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (KRtlO)

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Tell that to the GOPe that pulls funds from general election races where their preferred primary candidates lose primary elections.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (LvTSG)

174 That being said, this is why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (IXZGh)

175 The LA Times is really out here reporting on the racism of bird segregation in Los Angeles. I'm not kidding.
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I thought the LA Times was more concerned with changing buoys to gulls??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (krqg6)

176 "...for what that's worth." Don't know who hit post prematurely.

Posted by: Javems at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (8I4hW)

177 But we need to show LIV’s the GOP is serious and can govern.

They could fuck up a one-car funeral.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (CBBR5)

178 No one wants the hive of villainy and scum known as “Palestinians.”

“I got no where else to go!”

Well now you’ll be dead so…

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (DcKNO)

179 If Scalise will replace the Speaker's gavel with a loaded firearm, I'm willing to take a shot with him.

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (VbuYe)

180 The important thing to learn about how Democrats and Republicans treat their nominees is that Democrats treat their embarrassments as regular nominees (think Fetterman) while Republicans treat their inconveniences as disgusting trash that should be ignored and cast out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:41 PM (LvTSG)

*sniffs*

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (bWBL1)

181 Scalise might win with the help of dems. Then what? The only reason they were able to hold mac to account is because he made a deal with conservatives . Scalise might not take the same route.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:48 PM (+bPgI)
++++
Then he wins with the help of the Dems and he - and the Party - can defend that decision with the voters.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (t0OGg)

182 "To me he has a quick winning issue. Making sure we get that $6 billion back from Iran. Its small $, but something worth fighting over. SH (no more socks).
We are sorry Great Satan politician but we already spent that $6 billion on, er, um, humanitarian causes. Yeah, that's it.

Posted by: Mullahs of Iran at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (VcHM+)

183 McCarthy simply cut her off, and she lost.

But no, McCarthy definitely did not undermine efforts in the House to gain a Republican majority.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (LvTSG)

Ironic, given that a larger caucus might have saved his ass.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (uvymP)

184 So the point of all this mischegas with Grandstanding Gaetz was what then exactly? Scalise is no better than McCarthy and is stuck with the same bunch of lame-o GOP reps as McCarthy. Nothing. Will. Change.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (iFTx/)

185 I am confident that Jordan will not make deals with dems. I do not have the same level of confidence in Scalise.

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (+bPgI)

186 Jordan could have stopped by Richman Brothers for a sport coat.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (0EOe9)

187 177 But we need to show LIV’s the GOP is serious and can govern.

They could fuck up a one-car funeral.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (CBBR5)

========

The GOP is not serious and cannot govern because its leadership is an incestuous grift that is more interested in getting their share of the pie while passing Democratic priorities than any actual governance.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (LvTSG)

188 Ironic, given that a larger caucus might have saved his ass.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (uvymP)
++++
He tried to play the House like McConnell plays the Senate.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (t0OGg)

189 185 I am confident that Jordan will not make deals with dems. I do not have the same level of confidence in Scalise.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (+bPgI)

We shall see

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (bs+z0)

190 Given what’s happened and is happening in Israel I realized just now that I’m caring even less about this than I did last week…. And that level of caring was kinda small. It’s not important… it doesn’t matter…. Because whoever becomes speaker will be mostly a carbon copy of the last…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (d96zn)

191 The Republicans in the House Really piss me off !!!!!!!!!!!!

Why didn't they nominate a............... LBGQTAWERTYUIOPLKJHGFDSAZXCCVBNMM?_+{+
Person ???? Otherwise known as "BIG MIKE"

Posted by: Buster Hymannd at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (X++p7)

192 the hive of villainy and scum known as...

See also Congress.

Posted by: Archer at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (gmo/4)

193 Then he wins with the help of the Dems and he - and the Party - can defend that decision with the voters.

====

Yes, I am sure they will be very ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (+bPgI)

194 If Scalise will replace the Speaker's gavel with a loaded firearm, I'm willing to take a shot with him.
Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 11, 2023

He's got guts!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (CBBR5)

195 You'd think after being shot up by a Democrat head case aligned with, which Senator?,

Imagine if some rightwing aligned person tried to assassinated Schumer. It would be mentioned in every single story about congress until the end of time.

But here the FNM quietly ignores it and even Scalise himself refuses to wave the bloody shirt

Posted by: 18-1 at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (XqcwY)

196 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (LvTSG)

Leavitt was an awful, awful candidate who got wiped out in a landslide. Spending an extra 200k would have accomplished nothing and just wasted money.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (1wBNa)

197 Scalise is only marginally better than McCarthy... who demonstrated he was, perhaps, more loyal to Pelosi than to his own party. At least the party that identifies as Republican.

It's really just one big crime syndicate, but he could have deferred to someone on the same (nominal) side.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (Q4IgG)

198 This brunette in her underwear doesn't want Scalise to fail when he gets the gavel - but she does want his scalp just like McCarthy's if he - like McCarthy before him - fails to return to regular order and reduce spending to pre-COVID levels as promised:
https://is.gd/mwVWIX

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (t0OGg)

199 Jordan would have been less effective towards the next 13 months as Speaker than in his current role.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (KM/q4)

200 And prior to Oct. 7th, I would have bet the farm that all Israelis 12 years of age and older would have been trained and armed, and that gun ownership would have been mandatory. I would have lost said farm.

At least they're moving in the right direction if far too slowly and weakly. Instead of just making it a little easier to get a permit for a pistol and 50 rounds of ammo, they should be dropping crates of M4s and pallets of ammo in the city centers.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (nfrXX)

Both of the above. My jaw dropped when I heard of the Israelis gun control. Gees.

Posted by: Paulie bag a' donuts at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (DZwT/)

201 I thought the LA Times was more concerned with changing buoys to gulls??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (krqg6)

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"Hey-oh!"

There's a Muldoon Limerick in there somewhere ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (VbuYe)

202 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (LvTSG)

Leavitt was an awful, awful candidate who got wiped out in a landslide. Spending an extra 200k would have accomplished nothing and just wasted money.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (1wBNa)

203 Okay, looks like the big "airborne attack" from Lebanon announced earlier was just Hezbollah testing Israel's responses, and then calling them back. IOW, not a serious attack, just messing around with the pawns on the edge of the battlefield.

So far it looks like Hezbollah is doing the absolute bare minimum required to convince their Iranian Paymasters that they're still in on this thing. But they haven't made any serious commitment to anything, and with Israel on full military alert its arguably already too late for them to do so. They have a lot of missiles they could still shoot off; but that's about it and I don't believe they want to throw them all away for nothing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (i9ffA)

204 189 185 I am confident that Jordan will not make deals with dems. I do not have the same level of confidence in Scalise.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (+bPgI)

We shall see

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (bs+z0)

Agree. I'm in a wait and see mode.

Posted by: Archer at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (gmo/4)

205 183 Ironic, given that a larger caucus might have saved his ass.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (uvymP)

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If McCarthy had a majority of 30, Gaetz would most likely not have had the numbers to do this to McCarthy. With 30, you get half of them on the RCCC gravy train, telling them to play ball in terms of voting in exchange for never having to worry about re-election money again.

With a majority of 10, the number of recalcitrant Republicans did not have to be very large to do this.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (LvTSG)

206 We shall see
Posted by: It's me donna at

Right.

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (+bPgI)

207 Fuck all of these rightwing orgs who take leftist billionaire money then call their base "demons" when the leftists pet cause is threatened.

Looking at you Charlie Kirk and TPUSA.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (slgIg)

208 "White supremacist leaders are openly celebrating Hamas’s attack on Israel, cheering explicit depictions of violence against Israelis and promoting brutality against Jews worldwide.

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Funny way to describe BLM."

No, it's perfectly logical.
BLM believe that blacks are permanently oppressed by whites, therefore whites are supreme over blacks.

Which makes BLM white supremacists.

Communists have weird propaganda. They like to portray themselves as the spirited, determined, but overmatched weakling being crushed by an overwhelming and much cooler enemy.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (ou9hh)

209 >>> So the point of all this mischegas with Grandstanding Gaetz was what then exactly

he did establish, sort of, that if you don't return to regular order your speakership will be a brief one.

but 1, Republicans are responsible for that for not actually voting on the 12 appropriatins bills, and 2, I expect this to continue, with one speaker after another pushing through an omnibus, being voted out, and then the next one doing the same thing.

If Republicans want to govern in regular order they actually have to govern in regular order. But the votes are too hard for them and they WANT the speaker to take the responsibility away from them to say "There was nothing I could do."

The heads of the committees have to be sacked the next time they fail to produce appropriations bills. You can't just keep blaming the speaker.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (KRtlO)

210 Jordan would have been less effective towards the next 13 months as Speaker than in his current role.

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Which is why I'm not too upset he didn't win.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (sX1BW)

211 Scalise gets his fair test.

Omnibus.

[ ] Yes
[ ] Nay
Posted by: 13times at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (VZPAA)
........

Funding Ukraine

[ ] Yes
[ ] Nay

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (v0R5T)

212 Scalise was in favor of a return to regular order on spending bills. He was backing the process that was proceeding until the Gaetz 8 Clown Show. There are 216 members in the Republican Caucus and that move pissed a lot of people off. They have enough members to win a majority, but it's not that big. You also have to deal with the empty heads in the senate and Joe Potato. I think a lot of people want to move on and throw this over the wall tp the senate before the holidays kick in and the CR expires.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (M5z+9)

213 "And prior to Oct. 7th, I would have bet the farm that all Israelis 12 years of age and older would have been trained and armed"

Maybe not 12, but, you know, there's something traditional about age 13....

Posted by: SFGoth at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (KAi1n)

214 198 This brunette in her underwear doesn't want Scalise to fail when he gets the gavel - but she does want his scalp just like McCarthy's if he - like McCarthy before him - fails to return to regular order and reduce spending to pre-COVID levels as promised:
https://is.gd/mwVWIX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (t0OGg)
______________

That ain't underwear, bruh

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 11, 2023 01:55 PM (iFTx/)

215 Scalises's breath stinks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dorcus Blimeline at October 11, 2023 01:55 PM (X++p7)

216 175 The LA Times is really out here reporting on the racism of bird segregation in Los Angeles. I'm not kidding.
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I thought the LA Times was more concerned with changing buoys to gulls??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (krqg6)

I always found it easier to change gulls into buoys; they float.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 01:55 PM (ynpvh)

217 I never expected Gaetz's attention-seeking stunt to achieve much beyond giving Gaetz the attention he sought because at the end of the day, conservatives remain a minority in the GOP. If you want to change that, you have to win elections.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 01:49 PM (KRtlO)
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No way man, 8 people out of 160 can govern effectively by hanging a sword of damocles over anyone stupid enough to sit in the speaker's chair.

Notice that none of the Gang of Stupid are willing to put their own hat in the ring to be speaker.

Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 01:55 PM (oqH4h)

218 2 Republican candidates for President dropped out this week. I was going to list their names, but I've never heard of them and really don't want to waste brain space learning their names.

But it's proof that the Republican Party caused the Middle East crisis!

Posted by: Wally at October 11, 2023 01:55 PM (hqVaF)

219 https://is.gd/mwVWIX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (t0OGg)

Women need men to survive. God knew what he was doing when he made every inch of their bodies irresistible to the male sex.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 11, 2023 01:55 PM (pohLc)

220 But we need to show LIV’s the GOP is serious and can govern.

They could fuck up a one-car funeral.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2023 01:50 PM (CBBR5)

LIVs…. We talking about stupid voters or Greg Norman’s rebel golf league?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 01:55 PM (d96zn)

221 196 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:37 PM (LvTSG)

Leavitt was an awful, awful candidate who got wiped out in a landslide. Spending an extra 200k would have accomplished nothing and just wasted money.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 01:52 PM (1wBNa)

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And Fetterman got treated like a real candidate and he drools on camera.

The point is that the RCCC just didn't try. They spent $2 million to try to win the primary, and then took their ball home when they lost. McCarthy was going to get his kind of nominees or no one.

The point of the RCCC is supposed to be trying to win house seats, not just giving up when you lose the primary. That it's become that is why McCarthy was weak in leadership, why policy isn't important in the federal government anymore, and why leadership has become not only dismissive but antagonistic towards its own voters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:55 PM (LvTSG)

222 Scalise might win with the help of dems. Then what? The only reason they were able to hold mac to account is because he made a deal with conservatives . Scalise might not take the same route.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:48 PM (+bPgI)
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Then he wins with the help of the Dems and he - and the Party - can defend that decision with the voters.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:51 PM (t0OGg)

LOL and Gaetz "won" because Gaetz had the help of the Dems.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (rj6Yv)

223 207 Fuck all of these rightwing orgs who take leftist billionaire money then call their base "demons" when the leftists pet cause is threatened.

Looking at you Charlie Kirk and TPUSA.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (slgIg)

The TP stands for toilet paper.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (bWBL1)

224 Yale Prof declares, in the context of an argument about Hamas beheading babies, that "Settlers are not civilians. This is not hard."

IOW, every Jew in Israel is a legitimate military target.

https://is.gd/kK6xOV

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (0N1h0)

225 This brunette in her underwear doesn't want Scalise to fail when he gets the gavel - but she does want his scalp just like McCarthy's if he - like McCarthy before him - fails to return to regular order and reduce spending to pre-COVID levels as promised:
https://is.gd/mwVWIX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (t0OGg)
.........

I could disappoint her too.

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (v0R5T)

226 Scalise is for funding Ukraine. Enough said.

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (+bPgI)

227 Notice that none of the Gang of Stupid are willing to put their own hat in the ring to be speaker.

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None of them would have won. Better to use what power you have to negotiate deals with the next Speaker. Let's see what gets negotiated.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (sX1BW)

228 LOL and Gaetz "won" because Gaetz had the help of the Dems.
Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (rj6Yv)
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And he can defend that with his voters.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (t0OGg)

229 Is this good? I dunno, I heard he was a moderate.

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A moderate is still much better than a Luntz buttboy.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (BdMk6)

230
The 104-year-old who broke the record for oldest sky diver just died in her sleep..

Best you can hope for

Posted by: Kenny Rogers at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (enJYY)

231 Is there a single right wing organization who represents us, and will not sell us out for a dollar from Pierre?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (slgIg)

232 212 Scalise was in favor of a return to regular order on spending bills. He was backing the process that was proceeding until the Gaetz 8 Clown Show. There are 216 members in the Republican Caucus and that move pissed a lot of people off. They have enough members to win a majority, but it's not that big. You also have to deal with the empty heads in the senate and Joe Potato. I think a lot of people want to move on and throw this over the wall tp the senate before the holidays kick in and the CR expires.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (M5z+9)

=======

The correct thing is to pass the 12 budget and appropriation bills to the Senate and then go on vacation until the Senate passes them or comes back to negotiate.

Don't be afraid of a shutdown. Shut it down for years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (LvTSG)

233 They want to come out of conference united. They don't want to risk a floor fight. They want to have a plan and execute on it. We will see if that happens.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (M5z+9)

234 @163

>>with respect, if you want more power in the House, you have to win more seats in the House.

Well, ostensibly, according to every f**king republican reps advertising and platform they ran on, they are the most conservative, conservatives that ever conserved and yet even when they have the house, the Senate and the White House, very little conservative sh*t gets done.

Donks have a one seat majority and the skys the f**king limit.

So don't give me this nonsense that we have to win more.

The GOP is an illegitimate political party and a useless pile of dog shit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (ekaaj)

235 By that logic, Yale Professor's aren't civilians either, then.

Posted by: Archer at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (gmo/4)

236 Is there a single right wing organization who represents us, and will not sell us out for a dollar from Pierre?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (slgIg)
++++
No.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (t0OGg)

237 Jordan would have been less effective towards the next 13 months as Speaker than in his current role.

Jordan is the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, of which he became chair in 2023. He is in charge of Biden Impeachment Inquiry. So Jordan losing may be a good thing in the long run....

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (xYoUV)

238 IOW, every Jew in Israel is a legitimate military target.

https://is.gd/kK6xOV
Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (0N1h0)

Then so is every Arab in Gaza. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (i9ffA)

239
The point of the RCCC is supposed to be trying to win house seats, not just giving up when you lose the primary. That it's become that is why McCarthy was weak in leadership, why policy isn't important in the federal government anymore, and why leadership has become not only dismissive but antagonistic towards its own voters.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:55 PM (LvTSG)

The GOP is not a serious political party.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (eYoxG)

240 231 Is there a single right wing organization who represents us, and will not sell us out for a dollar from Pierre?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (slgIg)

========

The Bulwark?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (LvTSG)

241 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:55 PM (LvTSG)

There's a finite amount of money available. Each dollar spent on one candidate is a dollar that can't be spent on another. There were a lot of Republicans who won House races by very narrow margins that did have support from national committees. Increasing spending on Leavitt would have necessarily meant underfunding them, which would decrease the chances they'd win just for a probability to slightly reduce Leavitt's massive losing margin.

Basically, McCarthy was wise enough not to throw good money after bad. Fetterman's not a good candidate, but he was good enough to defeat the Trump slate. Maybe Trump should try endorsing good candidates?

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (1wBNa)

242 The crowd immediately starts booing him

L A R R Y @LarryOConnor 17h
Massachusetts Dem Senator calls for "de-escalation" and even the voters in the crowd are having none of it.

Why do Democrat elected officials instinctively call for surrender to terrorists whenever possible?

Catturd ™ @catturd2 5h
Listen to those Booooooooooooooooooos!

https://tinyurl.com/3fnf8svn
19 seconds
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM

I love the surprised look on Faukhontas' face. LOLGF

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (GwxCX)

243 None of them would have won. Better to use what power you have to negotiate deals with the next Speaker. Let's see what gets negotiated.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (sX1BW)

So you're saying that for Gaetz to get his pick for Speaker, he's got to make a deal with the Dem caucus. LOL

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (rj6Yv)

244 The GOP is not a serious political party.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (eYoxG)

Not as it stands today

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (bs+z0)

245 This brunette in her underwear doesn't want Scalise to fail when he gets the gavel - but she does want his scalp just like McCarthy's if he - like McCarthy before him - fails to return to regular order and reduce spending to pre-COVID levels as promised:
https://is.gd/mwVWIX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (t0OGg)

I can see it in her eye. She wants me...

...to do her taxes.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (4I/2K)

246 241 Basically, McCarthy was wise enough not to throw good money after bad. Fetterman's not a good candidate, but he was good enough to defeat the Trump slate. Maybe Trump should try endorsing good candidates?
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (1wBNa)

========

Wait...you think the Philly vote was genuine?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (LvTSG)

247 Won't really matter now.

Israel is such a powerful influence that there will be no negotiating over the budget because lawmakers will insist that it is of paramount importance to get aid to them, even if it means authorizing a a hundred billion quadrillion dollars in spending.

There will be no shutdown negotiation.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (6UgnJ)

248 Gaetz at least put him on notice. We'll see if Scalise pays heed.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (GwxCX)

249 This brunette in her underwear doesn't want Scalise to fail when he gets the gavel - but she does want his scalp just like McCarthy's if he - like McCarthy before him - fails to return to regular order and reduce spending to pre-COVID levels as promised:
https://is.gd/mwVWIX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 01:53 PM (t0OGg)

I absolutely hate "corset fashion".

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (BdMk6)

250 Lifetime liberty score through 2022: McCarthy 54% F, Scalise 58% F.

This is better?

Posted by: Repubic Of Arms at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (qc1VE)

251 There are a lot of members who want Jordan right where he is. Nobody else can be that effective in that role. Speaker is somewhat overrated.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (M5z+9)

252 The GOP is not a serious political party.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (eYoxG)
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Yes it is. They're very serious about feathering their nests with no expectation of results courtesy of being the perennial minority party.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (t0OGg)

253 What pet leftest deal did Charlie Kirk shill for?

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (DcKNO)

254 None of them would have won. Better to use what power you have to negotiate deals with the next Speaker. Let's see what gets negotiated.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (sX1BW)
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Almost there. Now, why can none of them win?

Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (oqH4h)

255 Remove his ass if need be. What's the big deal?

Moving on.

Posted by: DOYLE at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (Z8Yh2)

256 I can see it in her eye. She wants me...
...to do her taxes.
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (4I/2K)
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What do you see in her other eye?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (t0OGg)

257
Deck chairs. Titanic. Shuffle.

Posted by: Frank Barone at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (+oR7L)

258 The are all Top. Men.

Even the women.
Posted by: Just Lily at October 11, 2023 01:42 PM (vivhj)

i would have guessed most were bottoms...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (nXhwP)

259 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (LvTSG)

Dr. Oz was a bad candidate, though in his defense, he did have Doug Mastriano, another Trump endorsee, dragging him down.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (1wBNa)

260 Saw a report a couple of days ago that one of the responsibilities of the speaker was to raise money for the party. Apparently Scalise raised $120 M for the RNC last cycle and Jordan raised $28. I’m sure that factored in the vote.

Posted by: Jen the original at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (iZcbC)

261 Basically, McCarthy was wise enough not to throw good money after bad. Fetterman's not a good candidate, but he was good enough to defeat the Trump slate. Maybe Trump should try endorsing good candidates?
Posted by: Theo

Awwwww. Look at you thinking the PA elections are legit. If only we nominated a more perfect candidate!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (slgIg)

262 The 104-year-old who broke the record for oldest sky diver just died in her sleep..
........

shoulda pulled the ripcord before she nodded off.

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (v0R5T)

263 Yale Prof declares, in the context of an argument about Hamas beheading babies, that "Settlers are not civilians. This is not hard."

IOW, every Jew in Israel is a legitimate military target.

Don't know why I should be surprised but I would have thought that a Yale professor could follow a chain of logic more than one step. Because I don't think he's going to like the next one.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (nfrXX)

264 >>223 207 Fuck all of these rightwing orgs who take leftist billionaire money then call their base "demons" when the leftists pet cause is threatened.

Looking at you Charlie Kirk and TPUSA.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (slgIg)

The TP stands for toilet paper.
Posted by: Darrell Harris

Tranny Penis

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (l10hq)

265 Oh, good. Another magic underwear girl. Couldn't think a coherent, intelligent conservative thought until she stripped down to her underwear. I think the magic underwear should be patented, because there are sure are of leftist women models who need to be reeducated, and there are not enough men here to do that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (RSbhh)

266 Jordan is protecting the system in his current role.

Posted by: DOYLE at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (Z8Yh2)

267 213 "And prior to Oct. 7th, I would have bet the farm that all Israelis 12 years of age and older would have been trained and armed"

Maybe not 12, but, you know, there's something traditional about age 13....

Posted by: SFGoth at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (KAi1n)

++++

Alrighty then, Bar Mitzvahs and Bat Mitzvahs and AK-47s as gifts.

Posted by: washrivergal at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (N76Wh)

268 209 >>> So the point of all this mischegas with Grandstanding Gaetz was what then exactly

he did establish, sort of, that if you don't return to regular order your speakership will be a brief one.

but 1, Republicans are responsible for that for not actually voting on the 12 appropriatins bills, and 2, I expect this to continue, with one speaker after another pushing through an omnibus, being voted out, and then the next one doing the same thing.

If Republicans want to govern in regular order they actually have to govern in regular order. But the votes are too hard for them and they WANT the speaker to take the responsibility away from them to say "There was nothing I could do."

The heads of the committees have to be sacked the next time they fail to produce appropriations bills. You can't just keep blaming the speaker.
Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (KRtlO)
___________

I agree. But that's at best a very minor improvement vis-a-vis removing McCarthy. Not worth the effort, IMO. And who knows what disappointments Scalise has in store for us? But maybe I will be pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (iFTx/)

269 Lifetime liberty score through 2022: McCarthy 54% F, Scalise 58% F.

This is better?
Posted by: Repubic Of Arms at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM

4% Fuck yes!

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (GwxCX)

270 i would have guessed most were bottoms...
Posted by: SturmToddler at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (nXhwP)
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When Luntz and McCarthy played "Bill and Monica" in Luntz' mockup Oval Office, which one wore the dress?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (t0OGg)

271 They have enough members to win a majority, but it's not that big.

Which means you gotta kiss a lot of ass, if you are speaker. That's how it is. In the other chamber, Schumer understood this, which is why Manchin and Sexboots had disporoportionate pull/influence as a result. McCarthy somehow didn't get that he was weak and had to behave like someone who was weak.

Posted by: Weaklings don't get to call all the shots. at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (ppBhU)

272 To me he has a quick winning issue. Making sure we get that $6 billion back from Iran. Its small $, but something worth fighting over.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:33 PM (sX1BW)

Should get it back and fire it straight to Israel.. lol

Posted by: Inogame at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (53oGX)

273 What do you see in her other eye?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (t0OGg)

A twinkle?

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (4I/2K)

274 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (slgIg)

You're right. Doug Mastriano was a fantastic candidate, and only fraud could explain why he lost.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (1wBNa)

275 So Trump‘s candidate Jim Jordan goes down? This is becoming a pattern for Trump.

Posted by: Equate at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (Y9c3Y)

276 I hope the US sent Thermobaric Weapons to Israel to smoke them out of the tunnels under Gaza City....

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (xYoUV)

277 So is the consensus here then is that Charlie Kirk is also just another grifter glomming onto the conservative label for $$?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (d96zn)

278 This brunette in her underwear doesn't want Scalise to fail when he gets the gavel - but she does want his scalp just like McCarthy's if he - like McCarthy before him - fails to return to regular order and reduce spending to pre-COVID levels as promised:
https://is.gd/mwVWIX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

A little to S&M for my taste.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (FVME7)

279 Posted by: Equate at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (Y9c3Y)

Here we go... Don't take the bait

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (bs+z0)

280 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM

What do you have against magic underwear?

Posted by: Mitt Romenemy at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (GwxCX)

281 259 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (LvTSG)

Dr. Oz was a bad candidate, though in his defense, he did have Doug Mastriano, another Trump endorsee, dragging him down.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (1wBNa)

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So...you do think the Philly vote was genuine. Interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:03 PM (LvTSG)

282 > Because I don't think he's going to like the next one.

She. Many of the worst demons supporting this shit are women.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 02:03 PM (0N1h0)

283 He has health issues and they'll let him have it figuring that's the end - Republicans will lose the House, the Senate, everything.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at October 11, 2023 02:03 PM (GshMh)

284 Laying the failure to return to regular order and separate budgetary bills at the feet of McCarthy is lazy at best.

He's the Speaker but the idea that he's going to hold a gun to the committee chairs' heads and force them to report out a spending bill that has zero chance of even getting a floor vote in the Senate is just sorta dumb. It's a dumb waste of political capital.

Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 02:03 PM (oqH4h)

285 271 They have enough members to win a majority, but it's not that big.

Which means you gotta kiss a lot of ass, if you are speaker. That's how it is. In the other chamber, Schumer understood this, which is why Manchin and Sexboots had disporoportionate pull/influence as a result. McCarthy somehow didn't get that he was weak and had to behave like someone who was weak.
Posted by: Weaklings don't get to call all the shots. at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (ppBhU)

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The Democrats promised to save him.

That was his last mistake.

Because McCarthy is literally an idiot and has an IQ in the 70s.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (LvTSG)

286 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:03 PM (LvTSG)

I don't give a flying crap whether you think the vote was "genuine" or not. I care about results; if you can't deliver, GTFO.

Is this the plan for 2024? Just lose, then whine, "It's not fair! It's not fair! The vote was rigged!"

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (1wBNa)

287 You only get fucked 42 percent of the time.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (CBBR5)

288 https://is.gd/mwVWIX
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Wow! Magic undies!

Posted by: Mitt Romenemy at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (GwxCX)

289 Nothing will happen on the Biden impeachment inquirty until we have a new Speaker. Now, those folks who think that a paralyzed House of Representatives is a good thing while the Biden regime runs roughshod over the country might just need to figure out how things really work.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (rj6Yv)

290 The point is that the RCCC just didn't try. They spent $2 million to try to win the primary, and then took their ball home when they lost. McCarthy was going to get his kind of nominees or no one.
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Like Lisa Snowblower in Alaska too all of those years ago. [BTW, I remember Gabe was full-on Snowblower -- in her two b.s. court cases too.]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (krqg6)

291 Independents voted for Fetterman over Oz because Fetterman was a better candidate is about the stupidest bullshit that was ever bullshit.

The fact is the GOP allows elections to be stolen in PA. And the GOP was all stompy-foot Orangemanbad and actively threw winnable elections for gov and senate because it was more important for them to defeat MAGA than the democrats.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (slgIg)

292 Daily Caller guy Henry Rodgers says Crenshaw is whipping votes for Scalise and thinks Scalise is going to give Crenshaw plum committee assignments.

https://is.gd/rz1PXP

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (0N1h0)

293 Oh, good. Another magic underwear girl. Couldn't think a coherent, intelligent conservative thought until she stripped down to her underwear. I think the magic underwear should be patented, because there are sure are of leftist women models who need to be reeducated, and there are not enough men here to do that.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (RSbhh)
.......

You could have just posted a link to a cutie with her clothes on.

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (v0R5T)

294 The 104-year-old who broke the record for oldest sky diver just died in her sleep..

Best you can hope for
Posted by: Kenny Rogers at October 11, 2023 01:57 PM (enJYY)

Better than dying because of a sudden stop from 120 mph.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (BdMk6)

295 Scalise, Steve Scalise? The one and only Magazine of Magazine Street?

Posted by: Mishdog at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (Kc6hx)

296 You only get fucked 42 percent of the time.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM

Married guys look on in envy.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (GwxCX)

297 277 So is the consensus here then is that Charlie Kirk is also just another grifter glomming onto the conservative label for $$?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (d96zn)
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I operate on the assumption that everything is a grift. I've yet to be proven wrong.

Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (oqH4h)

298 "Massachusetts Dem Senator calls for "de-escalation" and even the voters in the crowd are having none of it."

I keep saying, people are at the point where they want to see a righteous beatdown executed on ~someone~, and they don't really care who.

And them Hamas pulls this crap.

Lightning rod, meet lightning.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (ou9hh)

299 He's the Speaker but the idea that he's going to hold a gun to the committee chairs' heads and force them to report out a spending bill that has zero chance of even getting a floor vote in the Senate is just sorta dumb. It's a dumb waste of political capital.
Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 02:03 PM (oqH4h)
++++
He accepted the terms of the job to get the votes for that job.

He didn't deliver in the name of "political capital?" Well, how much "political capital" does he have now? None.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (t0OGg)

300 I hope he's better than McCarthy, but I don't think he could be any worse. I expect to be disappointed, but I expect we would be disappointed by anyone in there.

Posted by: Andy_in_Colorado at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (GlcXa)

301 Nothing will happen on the Biden impeachment inquirty

Edited for clarity.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (slgIg)

302 Ask yourself this: did the GOP house wake up to how dangerous their colleagues on the left are when that shooter aligned with Schumer tried to kill a bunch of them?

It appears they did not, which then leads one to question if the GOP was cowed by that act, or, are they are just to stupid to realize the message sent by bullets?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (z5vMw)

303 Daily Caller guy Henry Rodgers says Crenshaw is whipping votes for Scalise and thinks Scalise is going to give Crenshaw plum committee assignments.

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Admittedly, this would be a downside (if true).

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (sX1BW)

304 274 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (slgIg)

You're right. Doug Mastriano was a fantastic candidate, and only fraud could explain why he lost.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (1wBNa)

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What's the normal amount of fraud in Pennsylvania? Was the 2022 fraud within lines with previous fraud? How different was the fraud?

What is the acceptable level of fraud?

Also, can you explain how the PA secretary of state sending out 250,000 illegal mail in ballots that were never rescinded affected or not affected the end result?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (LvTSG)

305 Given the GOP's track record and the multitude of Republican pols that start out as conservative firebrands then turn around and quickly become uni-party squishes with a bunch of bullshit excuses as to why.......fuck no I don't trust Scalise. I don't trust any of these a-holes because I'm not an idiot.

Being a conservative in the Republican Party is like being Jewish and your neighbors are Hamas. When they continually prove what they are by their actions, at some point you have to accept reality, wise the fuck up, judge accordingly and take appropriate actions.

Posted by: JROD at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (IlL6s)

306 Daily Caller guy Henry Rodgers says Crenshaw is whipping votes for Scalise and thinks Scalise is going to give Crenshaw plum committee assignments.

https://is.gd/rz1PXP
Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM

He's just keeping an eye on him.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2023 02:06 PM (GwxCX)

307 284 Laying the failure to return to regular order and separate budgetary bills at the feet of McCarthy is lazy at best.

He's the Speaker but the idea that he's going to hold a gun to the committee chairs' heads and force them to report out a spending bill that has zero chance of even getting a floor vote in the Senate is just sorta dumb. It's a dumb waste of political capital.
Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 02:03 PM (oqH4h)

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He sent the House on vacation instead of keeping them around to work on the bills.

Yes, he did make the situation happen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:06 PM (LvTSG)

308 Posted by: Mitt Romenemy at October 11, 2023 02:02 PM (GwxCX)

Nothing. I think the term is dismissive and stupid in respect to vestments that Mormon's wear, but as I'm not a Mormon I'm not really a position to discuss the meaning.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2023 02:06 PM (RSbhh)

309 McCarthy was running the agenda the conference agreed on. They were moving onto passing all the spending bills. Scalise or whomever is going to continue the process they agreed on in conference.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2023 02:06 PM (M5z+9)

310 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy MAGA Extremist at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (slgIg)

Trump threw the election when he decided to endorse awful candidates for no reason other than they kissed his ass. The election was no longer "winnable" once Trump got his way. Mastriano lost by 15 points ffs.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:06 PM (1wBNa)

311 Daily Caller guy Henry Rodgers says Crenshaw is whipping votes for Scalise and thinks Scalise is going to give Crenshaw plum committee assignments.

https://is.gd/rz1PXP
Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM

Whip it good!

Posted by: DeVO at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (4I/2K)

312 286 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:03 PM (LvTSG)

I don't give a flying crap whether you think the vote was "genuine" or not. I care about results; if you can't deliver, GTFO.

Is this the plan for 2024? Just lose, then whine, "It's not fair! It's not fair! The vote was rigged!"
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (1wBNa)

If you don't care or think about why candidates win or lose, why on earth would you have an opinion about what would be a good play? You're literally in no position to comment on races or how to win them.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (eYoxG)

313 281 259 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (LvTSG)

Dr. Oz was a bad candidate, though in his defense, he did have Doug Mastriano, another Trump endorsee, dragging him down.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (1wBNa)

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So...you do think the Philly vote was genuine. Interesting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:03 PM (LvTSG)
________________

Oz wasn't a bad candidate. I'm tired of that meme. He was smart, charismatic, accomplished, and had great name recognition. Was he great? No. But who else was in the running for the GOP nomination that would have been better? I've asked that question probably a dozen times, and have still not gotten any answer.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (iFTx/)

314 228 LOL and Gaetz "won" because Gaetz had the help of the Dems.
Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (rj6Yv)

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McCarthy promised "No CRs" to try to restrain spending. He broke that promise. We are drowning in debt that is still rapidly growing. This cannot go on. See "Deutschmark, hyperinflation": https://tinyurl.com/mt53hzjh

Posted by: JM in illinois, behold the Manchurian President at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (zZ3l8)

315 @284

>>It's a dumb waste of political capital.

Well, CRs, Omnibuses and Cromnibuses are now simply the natural order of things, then make these chuckleheads state that and do away with the debt limit so that we can be spared the unnecessary drama and know how f**ked we are.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (ekaaj)

316 286 I don't give a flying crap whether you think the vote was "genuine" or not. I care about results; if you can't deliver, GTFO.

Is this the plan for 2024? Just lose, then whine, "It's not fair! It's not fair! The vote was rigged!"
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (1wBNa)

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I'd rather the plan be the people of PA show up to Philly, at least 100,000 strong and fully armed, to help count ballots.

But that's not going to happen. Philly is going to count until they get the results they want, no matter the candidates.

So, if you want the election to be genuine, I'd expect a progress report on how things have gotten more secure in PA. Any news?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (LvTSG)

317 Posted by: wth at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (v0R5T)

I could have, but I don't feel like doing that right now.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (RSbhh)

318 Dr. Oz was a bad candidate, though in his defense, he did have Doug Mastriano, another Trump endorsee, dragging him down.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:00 PM (1wBNa)

What?? Oz wasn’t my favorite but he was a skilled doctor and had the advantage of being famous (name recognition) and he could actually speak intelligently…. Whereas Fetterman literally could process language and looks like Lurch…. But Oz wasn’t perfect enough to overcome that high quality Fetterneck?? Interesting perspective: Dems can run drooling fools and win but Republicans need 1984 Reagan to win…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (d96zn)

319 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (LvTSG)

You're the one alleging fraud. You can try and quantify the answer to those questions.

Asking again: What's the plan for 2024? Just lose and then whine about fraud?

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (1wBNa)

320 We're so thoroughly fucking boned.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (CBBR5)

321 In more compelling news,
Otter 841 remains free!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (CkL1Y)

322 He accepted the terms of the job to get the votes for that job.

He didn't deliver in the name of "political capital?" Well, how much "political capital" does he have now? None.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (t0OGg)
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And him having said lack advances the cause of conservatism in what way?

Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (oqH4h)

323 This brunette in her underwear doesn't want Scalise to fail when he gets the gavel - but she does want his scalp just like McCarthy's if he - like McCarthy before him - fails to return to regular order and reduce spending to pre-COVID levels as promised:
https://is.gd/mwVWIX

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

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TJM would bang that ... with a gavel

Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (RtEJA)

324 306 Daily Caller guy Henry Rodgers says Crenshaw is whipping votes for Scalise and thinks Scalise is going to give Crenshaw plum committee assignments.

https://is.gd/rz1PXP
Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM

He's just keeping an eye on him.
Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2023 02:06 PM (GwxCX)

"Hey Dan old boy, would you give me a hand here?"
"Would I! Would I!"

- just the punchline

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (i9ffA)

325 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (d96zn)

Oz is obviously a much better person than Fetterman, and I would have voted for him. But he was a bad candidate for PA, and Trump should not have endorsed him.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (1wBNa)

326 Don't count on the GOP to do the right thing.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (H9sxy)

327 >>>7 You only get fucked 42 percent of the time.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

awww, gyp!

Posted by: David French at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (KRtlO)

328 Scalise is owned by GOP Inc., so nothing changes except Zelensky can breathe easy now, as Uniparty has prevailed.

Posted by: Born Free at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (6kqgf)

329 I think the magic underwear should be patented, because there are sure are of leftist women models who need to be reeducated, and there are not enough men here to do that.

We can try.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (9ITg2)

330 If Scalise is aligned with Crenshaw, fuck him.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (DcKNO)

331 The GOPeeeeeeeeeeee, the party that never fails to fail.
These guys make gutless, cowardly, weasels look brave.

/no offence intended to our own Weasel of the Gun Thread. . .

Posted by: Bonecrusher at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (JNTt1)

332 So, if you want the election to be genuine, I'd expect a progress report on how things have gotten more secure in PA. Any news?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (LvTSG)
___________

Dude, there's been a lot of news, dude. The fraud in charge of the Philly fraud is now in charge of the whole state. Lots of news!

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (iFTx/)

333 323 This brunette in her underwear doesn't want Scalise to fail when he gets the gavel - but she does want his scalp just like McCarthy's if he - like McCarthy before him - fails to return to regular order and reduce spending to pre-COVID levels as promised:
https://is.gd/mwVWIX

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

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TJM would bang that ... with a gavel
Posted by: ShainS -- Overimaginative Scamp and AGAAVE Plant at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (RtEJA)

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Negative. She's contemplating the wisdom of the Warren Court and agreeing with it. Hence the hand on her head.

1/10

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (LvTSG)

334 Jordan would have been better.
Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 01:45 PM (+bPgI)

yeah, but without the supporting cast, i'm not sure he wins 6 championships.

he wins a few for sure, but not sure he gets 2 three-peats

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (nXhwP)

335 Yale Prof declares, in the context of an argument about Hamas beheading babies, that "Settlers are not civilians. This is not hard."

So open season on illegals then?

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (GwxCX)

336 In more compelling news,
Otter 841 remains free!
Posted by: nurse ratched at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (CkL1Y)

Go, you little otter you!

Posted by: Steve 'Cooler King" McQueen at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (4I/2K)

337 She. Many of the worst demons supporting this shit are women.

Oh, so you're a biologist now?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (nfrXX)

338 270 When Luntz and McCarthy played "Bill and Monica" in Luntz' mockup Oval Office, which one wore the dress?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (t0OGg)

Neither. They just smeared each others' feces all over themselves.

Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (sm6Pk)

339 332 Dude, there's been a lot of news, dude. The fraud in charge of the Philly fraud is now in charge of the whole state. Lots of news!
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (iFTx/)

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Hot damn!

We just need the right candidate!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (LvTSG)

340 Because McCarthy is literally an idiot and has an IQ in the 70s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (LvTSG)

Of course Kevin McCarthy isn't an idiot. Well, maybe he wasn't thinking of what was best for Kevin McCarthy when he ran for House Speaker, because being a House Speaker while the Dems are tearing up the Constitution, at the same time a tiny minority is demanding ideological purity was a lose-lose proposition, as we're finding out now.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (rj6Yv)

341 26 BUT, in every article about him they will now have to mention that we was shot by a Bernie Bros
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Yeah you'd think that. But no.
- MSM
Posted by: Montec at October 11, 2023 01:32 PM

We can compromise with "Domestic Terrorist" or "Domestic Extremist".

Posted by: MSM at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (JCZqz)

342 Posted by: Theo

Tell Bill to have a Coke and smile and shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (CBBR5)

343 117 @70

>>McCarthy simply cut her off, and she lost.

Well she obviously wasn't a "quality candidate" not like that Fetterman guy who is all dreamy and sh*t.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 11, 2023 01:43 PM (ekaaj)

Was she a witch?

Posted by: Inogame at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (53oGX)

344 Oh. Please. Stop. The Gaetz 8 voted against the Freedom Caucus CR. That would be their own CR. The pretext was they didn't want a CR at all. Meanwhile that CR gave them everything they wanted for 45 days. I'm not going to relitigate the McCarthy thing. Even he doesn't want the job. But the whole thing was pointless. But yeah, 8 people out of a 216 person caucus have their scalp. Congrats.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (M5z+9)

345 And him having said lack advances the cause of conservatism in what way?
Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 02:08 PM (oqH4h)
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It doesn't.

But neither does a McCarthy rich in "political capital" because he didn't do the job. He failed to deliver. He's the one who recessed the House as the deadline was approaching. He's the one who failed to whip his committee heads into action. He didn't do the job. Whether he couldn't do it (incompetence) or didn't want to (malfeasance), he failed. That is on him, and he's gone and good riddance to him.

If Scalise does the same, then he needs to be removed next. Rinse and repeat until we get regular order and pre-COVID spending levels as promised.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (t0OGg)

346 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (eYoxG)

I do care and think about why candidates win or lose because I just don't accredit everything to fraud. You're the one who doesn't want to think about the real reasons why MAGA got annihilated in what should have been a 1994/2010 year, so you just cope by saying "fraud."

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (1wBNa)

347 I remain free, too. But does anybody care? Nooooooo.

Posted by: otter842 at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (v0R5T)

348 262 The 104-year-old who broke the record for oldest sky diver just died in her sleep..
........

shoulda pulled the ripcord before she nodded off.

Posted by: wth at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (v0R5T)

At least it was peaceful...not like for Grandpa's passengers.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (ynpvh)

349 Okay.. This is getting nasty... Back later

Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (bs+z0)

350 >>330 If Scalise is aligned with Crenshaw, fuck him.
Posted by: Seems legit

aaaand back to my 'he can ESAD' comment.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (l10hq)

351 We can try.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2023 02:09 PM (9ITg2

Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (RSbhh)

352 340 Because McCarthy is literally an idiot and has an IQ in the 70s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (LvTSG)

Of course Kevin McCarthy isn't an idiot. Well, maybe he wasn't thinking of what was best for Kevin McCarthy when he ran for House Speaker, because being a House Speaker while the Dems are tearing up the Constitution, at the same time a tiny minority is demanding ideological purity was a lose-lose proposition, as we're finding out now.
Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (rj6Yv)

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No, he got a promise from Nancy to save him, and he believed it.

That's sub-literate thinking. He's a fucking idiot.

Also, he sent the House on vacation, delaying the process, which led to the need for the short term CR.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (LvTSG)

353 "Would I! Would I!"

Harelip!

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (7B5FA)

354 I can't forgive Kenny Rogers for killing The Gambler. Giving whiskey and cigs to that washed up old guy? Come on, Kenny. That was the time for tough love.

Posted by: Wally at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (hqVaF)

355 263 Yale Prof declares, in the context of an argument about Hamas beheading babies, that "Settlers are not civilians. This is not hard."

IOW, every Jew in Israel is a legitimate military target.

Don't know why I should be surprised but I would have thought that a Yale professor could follow a chain of logic more than one step. Because I don't think he's going to like the next one.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (nfrXX)

I guess the Jews in Germany and Russia were also "settlers"...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (ynpvh)

356 Well, CRs, Omnibuses and Cromnibuses are now simply the natural order of things, then make these chuckleheads state that and do away with the debt limit so that we can be spared the unnecessary drama and know how f**ked we are.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (ekaaj)
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I don't disagree. It's all theater.

However, as long as the theater is still operational we might as well pretend to look like we know what the fuck we're doing.

The truth is that 1) the vast, vast majority of congressturds are lazy as the day is long. They work 2.5 day weeks and spend the rest of their time fundraising and gladhanding. With their schedule and time commitments and the amount of real, actual work they're willing to put in, there is basically zero chance of reporting a major spending bill out of committee. 2) none of them want to put their names on specific spending bills that can be used against them in campaigns. It's much much easier to just say "well i voted/didn't vote for the omnibus because xxxxx" and there is too much shit in it to dig through and point to anything specifically.

Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (oqH4h)

357 So, if you want the election to be genuine, I'd expect a progress report on how things have gotten more secure in PA. Any news?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (LvTSG)

If "securing" PA is so important, why did Trump endorse Mastriano for PA gov, when he was guaranteed to lose?

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (1wBNa)

358 Posted by: It's me donna at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (bs+z0)

Good idea, Donna.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 11, 2023 02:12 PM (RSbhh)

359
War! What is it good for?
Absolutely trillions, say it again!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 11, 2023 02:12 PM (6UgnJ)

360 TJM is feistier than usual. Did his Prometheus DVD break?

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 02:12 PM (sX1BW)

361 Fkng neocon

Posted by: International Brotherhood of Hobos and Associated Hermits at October 11, 2023 02:12 PM (dzZCL)

362 355 263 Yale Prof declares, in the context of an argument about Hamas beheading babies, that "Settlers are not civilians. This is not hard."

IOW, every Jew in Israel is a legitimate military target.

Don't know why I should be surprised but I would have thought that a Yale professor could follow a chain of logic more than one step. Because I don't think he's going to like the next one.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 02:01 PM (nfrXX)

I guess the Jews in Germany and Russia were also "settlers"...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (ynpvh)

Hell, a great excuse for killing all whiteys in the USA; None were natives, all are just "settlers".

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:12 PM (ynpvh)

363 Being a conservative in the Republican Party is like being Jewish and your neighbors are Hamas. When they continually prove what they are by their actions, at some point you have to accept reality, wise the fuck up, judge accordingly and take appropriate actions.
Posted by: JROD at October 11, 2023 02:05 PM (IlL6s)

This.......and the fact that all of Washington DC is irreparably broken.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2023 02:13 PM (BdMk6)

364 360 TJM is feistier than usual. Did his Prometheus DVD break?

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 02:12 PM (sX1BW)

Was the Breaking Bad?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:13 PM (ynpvh)

365 346 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:07 PM (eYoxG)

I do care and think about why candidates win or lose because I just don't accredit everything to fraud. You're the one who doesn't want to think about the real reasons why MAGA got annihilated in what should have been a 1994/2010 year, so you just cope by saying "fraud."
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:10 PM (1wBNa)

We don't accredit everything to fraud. Detailed analyses have been done and presented to the point it is tiresome.

You're just huffing copium by claiming problematic areas can be won with a "better candidate".

Fraud is real, it has a material impact on elections, and if it's not going to be resolved for the next cycle, the smart thing to do is to write off that election and focus on actually winnable areas.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:13 PM (eYoxG)

366 No, he got a promise from Nancy to save him, and he believed it.

That's sub-literate thinking. He's a fucking idiot.

Also, he sent the House on vacation, delaying the process, which led to the need for the short term CR.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (LvTSG)
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He should be exiled from the US for trusting Nancy.

The extra 5 weeks of the House being in DC wouldn't have made a lick of difference in having to do a CR.

Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 02:13 PM (oqH4h)

367 357 If "securing" PA is so important, why did Trump endorse Mastriano for PA gov, when he was guaranteed to lose?
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (1wBNa)

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Trump is delusional about the scale of the cheat. I don't think Trump has any plan to fix it.

I really don't understand why people revert to Trump hate when I ask about what's gotten better in these states. At no point do I say that Trump has a plan. He doesn't. He's going to lose them in 2024 because he doesn't have a plan.

What I want to know is: Who does have a plan? If Trump doesn't, surely someone else does, right? Who is it? What is it? What positive action is happening? I can point to a couple of smallish things in WI and AZ, but that's about it. The people that broke the rules are all still in place, often in higher positions of power, and they have every incentive to do it all again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:13 PM (LvTSG)

368 @357 Theo-How will Ron DeSantis handle the fraud or will he be magically immune from it because he is less hated than Trump?

Posted by: JROD at October 11, 2023 02:13 PM (IlL6s)

369 Does any of this kabuki theatre really matter? $33+ trillion in debt and increasing. Only funding $2 out of every $3 spent by the gubmint. The interest payments on the debt are getting closer to $1 trillion per year. And I'm suppose to GAS about the next speaker, who won't do excrement in regards to the debt and spending? Just more inflation for us peasants. In the end, the uniparty always wins, and we the tax/debt peasants lose.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 11, 2023 02:14 PM (m5P/4)

370 360 TJM is feistier than usual. Did his Prometheus DVD break?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 02:12 PM (sX1BW)

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Jason Voorhees is on my tail.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:14 PM (LvTSG)

371 Getting shot by crazy Leftists really opens your eyes, man. No one's saying you can't own a gun, but there are some common sense gun safety laws we can put it place to make people safer. Magazine capacity restrictions, assault weapon bans, mandatory Federal gun buybacks of all personally owned firearms....you know, simple little things we can all agree on!

Posted by: Speaker Scalise at October 11, 2023 02:14 PM (JCZqz)

372 Hmmmm . . . I'm reading they did a secret ballot to nominate a speaker, but they set the threshold at a majority of their conference. Scalise prevailed over Jordan 113-99. But they plan to take the vote on the floor next, but there you need 217.

Jordan supporters are already saying they will only vote for Jordan, meaning we're probably gonna see a replay of McCarthy V1, which they tried to avoid with the secret ballot.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 11, 2023 02:14 PM (iFTx/)

373
Jordan could have stopped by Richman Brothers for a sport coat.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
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I-uh, uh-I-uh, k-k-know,, r-right?

yeah

Posted by: John Fetterman at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (X4yCj)

374 366 He should be exiled from the US for trusting Nancy.

The extra 5 weeks of the House being in DC wouldn't have made a lick of difference in having to do a CR.
Posted by: ballistic at October 11, 2023 02:13 PM (oqH4h)

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"The process was playing out. The House just needed more time, that's why the short term CR was needed. Also, five extra weeks of work wouldn't have mattered."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (LvTSG)

375 Scalise has the air of WEF surrounding him now. We're done if he's elected.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (l10hq)

376 Hmmmm . . . I'm reading they did a secret ballot to nominate a speaker, but they set the threshold at a majority of their conference. Scalise prevailed over Jordan 113-99. But they plan to take the vote on the floor next, but there you need 217.

Jordan supporters are already saying they will only vote for Jordan, meaning we're probably gonna see a replay of McCarthy V1, which they tried to avoid with the secret ballot.
Posted by: Elric Blade at October 11, 2023 02:14 PM (iFTx/)
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LOL. Good. Maybe we can get 16 ballots this time.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (t0OGg)

377 Jordan supporters are already saying they will only vote for Jordan, meaning we're probably gonna see a replay of McCarthy V1, which they tried to avoid with the secret ballot.

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There will be negotiations.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (sX1BW)

378 370 360 TJM is feistier than usual. Did his Prometheus DVD break?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 02:12 PM (sX1BW)

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Jason Voorhees is on my tail.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:14 PM (LvTSG)

Shoulda had the tail removed right after you were born. Then he'd just be on your ass.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (ynpvh)

379 370 Jason Voorhees is on my tail.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:14 PM (LvTSG)

You have a tail?

Found the Godforsaken furry.

Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (sm6Pk)

380 We don't accredit everything to fraud. Detailed analyses have been done and presented to the point it is tiresome.

You're just huffing copium by claiming problematic areas can be won with a "better candidate".

Fraud is real, it has a material impact on elections, and if it's not going to be resolved for the next cycle, the smart thing to do is to write off that election and focus on actually winnable areas.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:13 PM (eYoxG)

Does your detailed analyses include information why Joe Lombardo and Glenn Youngkin could win in states like Nevada and Virginia?

If nominating better candidates won't help, is it the case that nominating worse candidates in those elections wouldn't have hurt?

If we had nominated some Kari Lake/Doug Mastriano type candidate in those races, they would have lost, and you would have claimed it was the result of fraud and shot down the notion that maybe we should haven nominated someone better.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (1wBNa)

381 Basically, McCarthy was wise enough not to throw good money after bad.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (1wBNa)

So you throw anyone over that isn't *perfect*.
You're not going to have any more conservatives in the House or Senate.
But, you do you.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (8quvU)

382 Hell, a great excuse for killing all whiteys in the USA; None were natives, all are just "settlers".
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:12 PM (ynpvh)

Settlers = colonizers. The left wants to kill us.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (BdMk6)

383 I agree with your point, but I’m especially excited that someone finally used the term kabuki.

It’s a fun word.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:16 PM (DcKNO)

384 381 Basically, McCarthy was wise enough not to throw good money after bad.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (1wBNa)

So you throw anyone over that isn't *perfect*.
You're not going to have any more conservatives in the House or Senate.
But, you do you.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (8quvU)

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That sounds like the GOPe demanding purity.

I've been told that demanding purity is bad.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:16 PM (LvTSG)

385 382 Hell, a great excuse for killing all whiteys in the USA; None were natives, all are just "settlers".
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:12 PM (ynpvh)

Settlers = colonizers. The left wants to kill us.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (BdMk6)

I mean, they WERE called the 13 COLONIES, right?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:17 PM (ynpvh)

386 Shoulda had the tail removed right after you were born. Then he'd just be on your ass.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM

Kinky!

Posted by: P Butigeig at October 11, 2023 02:17 PM (GwxCX)

387 @367 TheJamesMadison-didn't mean to step on your toes, but yes, I sure would like to hear the argument for how DeSantis is going to handle the fraud. Unfortunately all you get in response is Trump Derangement Syndrome. Weird AF.

Posted by: JROD at October 11, 2023 02:17 PM (IlL6s)

388 383 I agree with your point, but I’m especially excited that someone finally used the term kabuki.

It’s a fun word.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:16 PM (DcKNO)

Tends to be more Bukaki that Kabuki.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:17 PM (ynpvh)

389 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (8quvU)

It's not that she wasn't perfect. It's that she wasn't adequate. She never had a chance of winning. If she had lost by like 0.2 points or something, I'd agree that not spending on her was a mistake.

But she lost by like 10 points. And New Hampshire doesn't have much of early voting; it has very conservative voting laws. So for people claiming "fraud", what's the deal? There's no Philly in NH, no three week early voting.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:18 PM (1wBNa)

390 384 381 Basically, McCarthy was wise enough not to throw good money after bad.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 01:58 PM (1wBNa)

So you throw anyone over that isn't *perfect*.
You're not going to have any more conservatives in the House or Senate.
But, you do you.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (8quvU)

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That sounds like the GOPe demanding purity.

I've been told that demanding purity is bad.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:16 PM (LvTSG)

::: Mia Khaifa has entered the chat :::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:18 PM (ynpvh)

391 Ha!

Bukaki is a fun word too! *cough*

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:18 PM (DcKNO)

392 387 @367 TheJamesMadison-didn't mean to step on your toes, but yes, I sure would like to hear the argument for how DeSantis is going to handle the fraud. Unfortunately all you get in response is Trump Derangement Syndrome. Weird AF.
Posted by: JROD at October 11, 2023 02:17 PM (IlL6s)

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I just don't understand why anti-Trump people counter "black pill Denethorism" with anti-Trump rhetoric.

At least pro-Trump people respond with, "We'll get the numbers and they won't be able to cheat as much," which is still...all wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:18 PM (LvTSG)

393 Kabuki, kabuki, kabuki,
The girl that’s hard to get

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2023 02:18 PM (9ITg2)

394 Hard to be the left's type of moderate after being shot by them. Maybe he's our type of moderate?

Posted by: leber at October 11, 2023 02:19 PM (JfWkS)

395 > I think the magic underwear should be patented, because there are sure are of leftist women models who need to be reeducated, and there are not enough men here to do that.

This is a really odd comment

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 02:19 PM (0N1h0)

396 Is this good? I dunno, I heard he was a moderate.

--

The only thing I can't shake is that he immediately returned to reaching across the aisle to work with the Democrats who had led their supporters to shoot him.

I don't think he ever even said "boo" about the Democrats making the pot boil over.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:19 PM (VW7tl)

397 I'm just going to ask a question that will make people angry because Damn Me For Asking Common Sense Questions, but...

How much did *Trump* spend to promote his handpicked loser candidates in the general election?

If it's fair to question how much the GOPe spent, I think it's also fair to ask how much Hero Conservative Trump spent, too.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:19 PM (KRtlO)

398 Does your detailed analyses include information why Joe Lombardo and Glenn Youngkin could win in states like Nevada and Virginia?

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (1wBNa)

Virginia isn't a problem state. The issues pertain to urban machines in particular areas that are blowing out the usual margin of fraud. Paying them off for that matter is fairly expensive and Ds don't go all out every day for every candidate. The fact that you believe this is relevant at all means you're entirely unfamiliar with the issue.

But keep on hugging that security blanket.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:19 PM (eYoxG)

399 Why did Iran attack now?
Why didn't they wait till they had gotten more $?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at October 11, 2023 02:20 PM (CuztD)

400 The heads of the committees have to be sacked the next time they fail to produce appropriations bills. You can't just keep blaming the speaker. Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (KRtlO)

@ace:

1. I do think some of the bills are farther along in the process.
2. There is value in having a bill that is unacceptable to the Senate to serve as a negotiating position.
3. It seems pretty clear that McCarthy, by taking August off with no action, encouraged the budget impasse that would result in CR+Ukraine funding being presented as an up-or-down package. He thought he was smarter than everuone else and he would present them with a fait accompli.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 11, 2023 02:20 PM (7B5FA)

401 Jason Voorhees is on my tail.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:14 PM (LvTSG)

You have a tail?

Found the Godforsaken furry.
Posted by: XTC at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (sm6Pk)

he could be a Saiyan....

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 11, 2023 02:20 PM (nXhwP)

402 399 Why did Iran attack now?
Why didn't they wait till they had gotten more $?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at October 11, 2023 02:20 PM (CuztD)

I can think of one explosive reason...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:20 PM (ynpvh)

403 Why did Iran attack now?
Why didn't they wait till they had gotten more $?

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Maybe they knew the $$ was drying up.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 02:20 PM (sX1BW)

404 hahaha, I forgot that the FBI determined that the calculated and carefully planned mass shooting / attempted assassination of multiple elected Republican representatives in order to influence elections and overturn votes was "suicide by cop"

https://tinyurl.com/yzsh5drx

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (VW7tl)

405 I like Trump, but I do not blindly follow whom he supports. The thing dislike about Trump the most is "He has a Big Mouth", Childish Name Calling, and a Inflated Ego" . Do not get me wrong he is a Trillion times better then Joey Shittinpants.

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (xYoUV)

406
So...you do think the Philly vote was genuine. Interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023

I don't think the Philly vote is ever genuine, but Oz did better then Mastriani who had a position on abortion that cost Soros some money to advertise 24/7.

Posted by: Kenny Rogers at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (enJYY)

407 397 I'm just going to ask a question that will make people angry because Damn Me For Asking Common Sense Questions, but...

How much did *Trump* spend to promote his handpicked loser candidates in the general election?

If it's fair to question how much the GOPe spent, I think it's also fair to ask how much Hero Conservative Trump spent, too.
Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:19 PM (KRtlO)

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Nothing, it seems looking at the numbers.

But McCarthy runs an organization that has the explicit mission of trying to win House races that he spent $2 million on in the primary and then $10,000 in the general.

The point is that the GOPe treats unwanted candidates like scum, which obviously has an effect on more moderate members of the voting party, turning them off. If the GOPe treated these people like normal, they'd win more races.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (LvTSG)

408 If we had nominated some Kari Lake/Doug Mastriano type candidate in those races, they would have lost, and you would have claimed it was the result of fraud and shot down the notion that maybe we should haven nominated someone better.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (1wBNa)

The Kari Lake example doesn’t help your argument. She was a great candidate… photogenic, articulate, intelligent…. WAY more impressive than her opponent Abortion Mouse. She led all the polls going into Election Day then “magically” “lost” when polling stations in heavily Republican areas had major problems. Obvious shenanigans…. It’s not hard to see that fraud turned that race. Her opponent was in charge of vote counting!!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (d96zn)

409 Before the Speaker vote at 3p:

A little levity, as Asif (Too Apre) is trying to find his lost Indian (dot) to put back together his P-I-B (Pakistan-Indian-Bangladesh) alliance, while filming in a public place.

Https://youtu.be/M2Fsi-KuhF8?feature=shared

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (ufFY8)

410 We got McCarthy's scalp - and we know what to do with it.

It's now Nancy Pelosi's mirkin.

Posted by: 13times at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (ddgmG)

411 I consider Trump a hero only because he called Milley a fucking idiot in public.

Milley is a pathetic worm.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (DcKNO)

412
As for the election being stolen:

I've mentioned this, but a friend went to a less-than-1%-margin state with other lawyers and told Trump they could mount a proper legal contest in that state for the cost of $200,000 to $300,000, and Trump said "NO," and just went with the manual recount, which changed nothing (as you would expect) but didn't cost any money.

So, either Trump did not believe there was any fraud there to make spending $300,000 worth it to him, OR he did believe there was fraud there, but decided he'd rather keep his $300,000 than win an election.

You choose.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (KRtlO)

413 Not to be British, but it could be worse.

Posted by: Captain Crunch at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (ZdD64)

414 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:19 PM (eYoxG)

"Virginia isn't a problem state."

You're just making stuff up on the fly to make everything fit.

I'm going to repeat: If we had nominated some crap candidate, they would have lost, and you would have 100% dismissed it as the result of fraud. What you're saying now about Virginia not being a "problem state" would be changed to "Virginia is notorious for all the fraud they have" and we both know it.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (1wBNa)

415 389 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 11, 2023 02:15 PM (8quvU)

It's not that she wasn't perfect. It's that she wasn't adequate. She never had a chance of winning. If she had lost by like 0.2 points or something, I'd agree that not spending on her was a mistake.

But she lost by like 10 points. And New Hampshire doesn't have much of early voting; it has very conservative voting laws. So for people claiming "fraud", what's the deal? There's no Philly in NH, no three week early voting.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:18 PM (1wBNa)

Don't conflate major fraud with every single race.

We have identified major fraud centers, mostly longstanding and reputed for fraud, that screw us in 2024 at the Presidential. They also do so to a lesser degree in Congress.

That's not the same as claiming every single lost race is due to fraud, which is a strawman.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (eYoxG)

416 410 We got McCarthy's scalp - and we know what to do with it.

It's now Nancy Pelosi's mirkin.

Posted by: 13times at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (ddgmG)

So in close contact with her tits then...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (ynpvh)

417 That sounds like the GOPe demanding purity.

I've been told that demanding purity is bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:16 PM

I'd be more open to supporting the moderate GOPe types if, in return, they supported the NON GOPe-types. We're engaged in a one way war with the Dems already (with us on the receiving end), I'm tired of playing the same with the GOPe.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (JCZqz)

418 Why did Iran attack now?
Why didn't they wait till they had gotten more $?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at October 11, 2023 02:20 PM (CuztD)

I can think of one explosive reason...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:20 PM (ynpvh)
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Perhaps.
Of it could be that Hamas is just too undisciplined to keep under control and they jumped the gun.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (uSHSS)

419 Bukaki is a fun word too! *cough*
Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:18 PM (DcKNO)

TWSS

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (nXhwP)

420 408 The Kari Lake example doesn’t help your argument. She was a great candidate… photogenic, articulate, intelligent…. WAY more impressive than her opponent Abortion Mouse. She led all the polls going into Election Day then “magically” “lost” when polling stations in heavily Republican areas had major problems. Obvious shenanigans…. It’s not hard to see that fraud turned that race. Her opponent was in charge of vote counting!!
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (d96zn)

=======

Also, the signature verification in AZ was so bad that a federal judge ruled a couple of months ago that it was out of alignment with state law.

But it worked, didn't it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (LvTSG)

421 >>>
But McCarthy runs an organization that has the explicit mission of trying to win House races that he spent $2 million on in the primary and then $10,000 in the general.

Hey my fucking dude, if Trump is going to wage a perpetual war against the GOPe he has to be willing to spend a buck to fight it, not just fucking tweet about it like a faggot.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (KRtlO)

422 Jeff Clark @JeffClarkUS 5h
Yesterday, the North Carolina General Assembly overruled two gubernatorial vetoes trying to block election reforms.

Senate Bill 747 and Senate Bill 749 are now law.

Here are Senate Bill 747's Improvements. I especially approve of sending Zuckerbucks into the wastebasket of North Carolina history:

=> * Prohibits private, non-governmental funding (including in-kind donations) of election activities (e.g., "Zuckerbucks").

*Retention of election records for 22 months to comply with the NVRA.

*Provides clarifications to authority and restrictions for poll observers.

* Same-day registrant addresses are checked and returned mailings will trigger retrieval of voted regular ballots.

* Extends absentee ballot challenge period to five days after election day.

* Polls will close at 7:30PM on election day and all absentee/mail-in ballots must be received by that time.

* Makes it a misdemeanor crime for anyone other than a Board of Elections to affix a tracking code to absentee ballot request forms.

* Provides a new process for removing non-citizens from voter lists.

* Implements a pilot test for signature verification on mail-in ballot envelopes.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (krqg6)

423 I remain free, too. But does anybody care? Nooooooo.
Posted by: otter842

Well behaved otters rarely make history
-- Nurse R's bumper sticker

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (nfrXX)

424 I'm out. See y'all next thread.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (BdMk6)

425 414 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:19 PM (eYoxG)

"Virginia isn't a problem state."

You're just making stuff up on the fly to make everything fit.

I'm going to repeat: If we had nominated some crap candidate, they would have lost, and you would have 100% dismissed it as the result of fraud. What you're saying now about Virginia not being a "problem state" would be changed to "Virginia is notorious for all the fraud they have" and we both know it.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (1wBNa)

You're just ignorant of history.

Keep strawmanning so you can keep huffing copium.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (eYoxG)

426 Scrambled, fried, poached or soft boiled? Doesn't matter.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ne Obliviscaris at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (qj8+t)

427 ::: Mia Khaifa has entered the chat :::
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

(puts on HAZMAT suit)

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (sAmhv)

428 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (d96zn)

Thanks Stacey Abrams.

If Kari Lake had just followed the Youngkin-Lombardo strategy, she'd be governor and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (1wBNa)

429 Also, the signature verification in AZ was so bad that a federal judge ruled a couple of months ago that it was out of alignment with state law.

But it worked, didn't it?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (LvTSG)

the case is not "ripe" until the vote count is over.
When the vote count is over, it's too late.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (ynpvh)

430 > Hell, a great excuse for killing all whiteys in the USA; None were natives, all are just "settlers".

I've been noticing this. A LOT of the left's justifications for Hamas' atrocities are ready made to be applied here.

They call us colonialists, non-native, fascists, NAZIs, etc. We can clearly see what they are willing to overlook there, and it would be wise to consider what they're likely willing to overlook or do here.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (0N1h0)

431 btw he does not want to wage perpetual war on the GOPe, he wants to be frenz with them

he just wants to inflict bad candidates on us and then demand that we do the work and spend the money to get Trump's Legion of Losers elected.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:24 PM (KRtlO)

432 No, he got a promise from Nancy to save him, and he believed it.

That's sub-literate thinking. He's a fucking idiot.

Also, he sent the House on vacation, delaying the process, which led to the need for the short term CR.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:11 PM (LvTSG)

Sub-literate thinking. Really? Are you truly that clueless to post something like that? All a Speaker has is the power to rule his own caucus. Without that power to intimidate and reward Republican allies, together with handing the sword of Speaker vacancy to his political opponents, his options were limited. Gaetz used that sword with the knowledge that the Dems would abandon decades of congressional tradition and to double-cross the Speaker. You have no ideal of the level of bridge-burning going on right now in our House and Senate chambers.

Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 02:24 PM (rj6Yv)

433 Having a Republican speaker from Cali in this day and age was delusional bull shiite. Need a no compromise, no accommodation, rock ribbed Republican who has slash and burned his field of fuks.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 11, 2023 02:24 PM (nnp+f)

434 To me, Scalise is more of the same.

Posted by: Axeman at October 11, 2023 02:24 PM (krQz2)

435 410 - I did NOT need that visual.

Posted by: Captain Crunch at October 11, 2023 02:24 PM (ZdD64)

436 421 Hey my fucking dude, if Trump is going to wage a perpetual war against the GOPe he has to be willing to spend a buck to fight it, not just fucking tweet about it like a faggot.
Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (KRtlO)

=======

I don't expect you to remember all of our individual opinions.

I'm not here to defend Trump. Trump has fucked up...a lot when it comes to elections. I'm not a Trump voter for this primary.

But my point is about the GOPe intentionally losing races in order to have a smaller, more controllable caucus. You know, how McConnell has run the Senate for over a decade.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:24 PM (LvTSG)

437 Have you seen the video of Vivek mimicking an Obama speech almost entirely?*

*have no idea if it’s AI

But he used the term “funny looking guy” and others exactly as Obama did.

Weird and troubling.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:24 PM (DcKNO)

438 The heads of the committees have to be sacked the next time they fail to produce appropriations bills. You can't just keep blaming the speaker. Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 01:54 PM (KRtlO)

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McCarthy betrayed us twice. The first was back in May when the Democrats passed his "Fiscal Responsiblity Act" that he'd coordinated with Biden. McCarthy and his Democrats passed that bill.

https://tinyurl.com/2l3wjco3

The second time he was held accountable.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:25 PM (VW7tl)

439 435 410 - I did NOT need that visual.

Posted by: Captain Crunch at October 11, 2023 02:24 PM (ZdD64)

Wait until you get to #416...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:25 PM (ynpvh)

440 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (eYoxG)

There's not a single MAGA defeat in the last half-decade that hasn't been ascribed to fraud. Literally every lost election in 2020 and 2022 is because of cheating and for no other reason.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:25 PM (1wBNa)

441
If it's fair to question how much the GOPe spent, I think it's also fair to ask how much Hero Conservative Trump spent, too.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:19 PM

Be glad to answer that after you answer how much it is costing Trump for legal defense. Year after year after year after year after year after year. When people donate to Trump it's to help cover those expenses, not to turn around and give away on lawn signs.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 11, 2023 02:25 PM (enJYY)

442 432 Sub-literate thinking. Really? Are you truly that clueless to post something like that? All a Speaker has is the power to rule his own caucus. Without that power to intimidate and reward Republican allies, together with handing the sword of Speaker vacancy to his political opponents, his options were limited. Gaetz used that sword with the knowledge that the Dems would abandon decades of congressional tradition and to double-cross the Speaker. You have no ideal of the level of bridge-burning going on right now in our House and Senate chambers.
Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 02:24 PM (rj6Yv)

======

So, Gaetz knew the Democrats better than McCarthy?

And you call this a defense of McCarthy?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:25 PM (LvTSG)

443 We got McCarthy's scalp - and we know what to do with it.

It's now Nancy Pelosi's mirkin.

Posted by: 13times at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM (ddgmG)

So in close contact with her tits then...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (ynpvh)

at her age, it's morbably more in the scarf terrirtoy...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 11, 2023 02:26 PM (nXhwP)

444 The thing dislike about Trump the most is "...Childish Name Calling..." . Do not get me wrong he is a Trillion times better then Joey Shittinpants.

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at October 11, 2023 02:21 PM

How do you feel about yourself, friend?

Posted by: Moron Psychologist at October 11, 2023 02:26 PM (JCZqz)

445 Sunny Leone >>> Mia Khalifa

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at October 11, 2023 02:26 PM (ufFY8)

446 Jeff Clark @JeffClarkUS 5h
Yesterday, the North Carolina General Assembly overruled two gubernatorial vetoes trying to block election reforms.

Senate Bill 747 and Senate Bill 749 are now law.

--

This is HUGE news.

Of course now the (D)s can just move to a different state to manipulate at the federal level, but it will help prevent another fraudulent re-election of someone like Cooper.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:27 PM (VW7tl)

447 The NRCC worked with Trump to put money into campaigns they thought they could win and where the numbers worked. His hero, McDummy dos the same. They didn't always agree, and by the way F him. It's not his money and he put no skin in the game. Except to claim victory when candidates won and say he got screwed by the man when they lost. You know we should totally listen to him 100% of the time. But that's typical Trump, take zero responsibility when you lose and claim everything that goes the right way is totes your magic.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2023 02:27 PM (M5z+9)

448 They call us colonialists, non-native, fascists, NAZIs, etc. We can clearly see what they are willing to overlook there, and it would be wise to consider what they're likely willing to overlook or do here.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (0N1h0)
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Yeah, but they wouldn't let the English take the easy solution to "de-colonize" England, would they?

Europe is being colonized right now.

Posted by: Axeman at October 11, 2023 02:27 PM (krQz2)

449 The thing dislike about Trump the most is "...Childish Name Calling..."

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I've been trying to think of a single instance where he hit first.

Can anyone post one?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:27 PM (VW7tl)

450 445 Just looked up Sunny Leone. Dayum.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 11, 2023 02:28 PM (9ITg2)

451 Double shot:

Border Patrol arrests of suspects on the FBI’s terror watchlist at the southern border:

FY’23 - 151 (so far). FY’22 - 98. FY’21 - 15. FY’20 - 3. FY’19 - 0

NEW: Internal CBP data provided & confirmed by CBP sources reveals thousands of “special interest aliens” from mostly Middle Eastern countries have been apprehended by Border Patrol while crossing into U.S. illegally over last 2 years.

Syria: 538. Yemen: 139. Iran: 659. Iraq: 123.

Chaser:

The White House
@WhiteHouse
Happening Now: President Biden delivers remarks announcing new actions to protect consumers from hidden junk fees and put more money back in the pockets of hardworking Americans.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 11, 2023 02:28 PM (FVME7)

452 Hey my fucking dude, if Trump is going to wage a perpetual war against the GOPe he has to be willing to spend a buck to fight it, not just fucking tweet about it like a faggot.

The hell of it is that they are not even effective tweets. If I wanted to create a bullet-point list of circumstances indicative of fraud, I'll bet the Horde could brainstorm a very effective set of talking points in a single thread. I've not heard Trump make an effective, common-sense case for fraud. Which is the kind of thing someone who believes there was fraud might be interested in. (If I'm wrong about this, by the way, please just point me to Trump's list.)

Posted by: It's very odd. at October 11, 2023 02:29 PM (ppBhU)

453 410 - I did NOT need that visual.

Posted by: Captain Crunch at October 11, 2023 02:24 PM (ZdD64)

Wait until you get to #416...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 11, 2023 02:25 PM (ynpvh)

doing my part to help at 443...

Posted by: SturmToddler at October 11, 2023 02:29 PM (nXhwP)

454 440 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:23 PM (eYoxG)

There's not a single MAGA defeat in the last half-decade that hasn't been ascribed to fraud. Literally every lost election in 2020 and 2022 is because of cheating and for no other reason.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:25 PM (1wBNa)

Look dipshit, there's even been a theorycrafted path circulated several times here for 2024 that intentionally avoids the areas that were fraud heavy in 2024 and 2022 and it includes Virginia. Fraud is a legitimate strategic consideration in elections and how bad it is varies over time. Margin of fraud has historically been closer to 1% and many assumptions used to be based on that. We've had to revise them.

Stop making up positions for people.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:29 PM (eYoxG)

455 We’d be another third world shithole if the west hadn’t colonized.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:30 PM (DcKNO)

456 Somebody make a list of good quality candidates, mediocre candidates and poor quality candidates.

Use the list of those holding elected office.

Rate them good, mediocre and poor.

Let's start in the Senate with McConnell, then work your way down the leadership team to the regular Republican Senators.

It's best to do that do determine what someone considers the baseline for "good".

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 11, 2023 02:30 PM (cMXNt)

457 No, you don't understand. If you don't agree with Trump and Gaetz, you need to be primaried. And your a traitor. Because that's how electoral politics work. You force every district in the country to bend to your will and desires. Because it's an ideologically homogeneous party.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 11, 2023 02:30 PM (M5z+9)

458 Of it could be that Hamas is just too undisciplined to keep under control and they jumped the gun. Posted by: Diogenes at October 11, 2023 02:22 PM (uSHSS)

50th anniversary of Yom Kippur War.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (7B5FA)

459 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:29 PM (eYoxG)

"there's even been a theorycrafted path circulated several times here for 2024 that intentionally avoids"

Hahahaha.

Anything to just avoid admitting that Trump is unpopular and MAGA candidates suck.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (1wBNa)

460 Y'know who else was a “funny looking guy” ?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (vNLg3)

461 459 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:29 PM (eYoxG)

"there's even been a theorycrafted path circulated several times here for 2024 that intentionally avoids"

Hahahaha.

Anything to just avoid admitting that Trump is unpopular and MAGA candidates suck.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (1wBNa)

Cope.

Also the path isn't one built for Trump but a non-Trump candidate dummy.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (eYoxG)

462 Here's the algorithm:

The GOPe tells Trump, CORRECTLY, that he is an unpopular figure and that in most jurisdictions and almost all states GOPers run AHEAD of him in voting, and would be brought down by association with him. And that endlessly whining about election fraud is a turn off for most voters.

Trump says "Fuck you, I'm going to push only the candidates who kiss my ass the deepest and wettest and talk endlessly about the 'stolen' 2020 election."

Trump's candidates win, and then the GOPe, *which has only limited resources and must make hard calls about where to spend those resources,* cut Trump's loser candidates off.

Trump also refuses to spend a dime on them.

They then lose, as everyone predicted, and Trump and his most passionate stalwarts all say: "They did it on purpose! They stopped our great candidate from winning!"

And if you ask "what is the plan for Trump in the 2024 general election," THIS IS THE PLAN. They are saddling us with another loser candidate and then when he loses, as everyone told them he would, they will say "you stopped our great candidate from winning."

Enough. How many cycles of this do we need?

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (KRtlO)

463 Interesting that there's some comments here that say or suggest that Kari Lake was a bad candidate. IIRC, virtually everyone here was over the moon with her candidacy, and thought she had the win in the bag. Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

Methinks there's LOTS and LOTS of Monday Morning QBing going on here . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (iFTx/)

464 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (eYoxG)

You're the one blaming all your defeats on "fraud"; that's the very definition of cope. Something bad happened to you, and you want to disclaim responsibility.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:32 PM (1wBNa)

465 Enough. How many cycles of this do we need?
Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (KRtlO)

Trump did all the bad things

Posted by: Kindltot at October 11, 2023 02:33 PM (xhaym)

466 A historic speaker. Let's look back at the attempted political assassination. Then an in-depth story on the climate of hate inspired by the Left against run-of-the mill Republicans. An interview with the police officers who save the GOP baseball team, the intended target of the Bernie Sanders aligned gunman. Rounding out our team coverage, we'll stick a microphone in the face of every Democrat on the Hill to see if they will denounce the hateful rhetoric that inspired the gunman.

We'll run the whole package 4 times a day for a week or so.

Posted by: Bizarro World CNN at October 11, 2023 02:34 PM (Q7KYg)

467 If it's fair to question how much the GOPe spent, I think it's also fair to ask how much Hero Conservative Trump spent, too.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:19 PM

Is that the new standard? How much did Romney, McCain, or Bush spend of their personal (or campaign) money to elect other candidates? I thought the party had funds for that, and it was used to gate keep which types of candidates did (or didn't) get elected. One guess on what type of candidates an entrenched, established bureaucracy is going to support.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 11, 2023 02:34 PM (JCZqz)

468 Anything to just avoid admitting that Trump is unpopular and MAGA candidates suck.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (1wBNa)

Trump is so unpopular he’s lapping the entire GOP field and actually leads Brandon in the RCP average. Yep… extremely unpopular

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:34 PM (d96zn)

469 Enough. How many cycles of this do we need?

3 ... 4

This is what sucks about being on our side. We are simply not unified because we don't have a unifying cause. We used to during the Cold War, but ever since we have not. The left has one.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 02:34 PM (sX1BW)

470 464 Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (eYoxG)

You're the one blaming all your defeats on "fraud"; that's the very definition of cope. Something bad happened to you, and you want to disclaim responsibility.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:32 PM (1wBNa)

Having an explanatory variable is inherently cope? So all things must have no cause in order to not be cope.

Interesting theory dumbass.

Also, I'll repeat, the thing that you claim as Trump-propaganda specifically doesn't work for Trump because he's got a different normal path than other R candidates, who would not tend to aim for the blue wall or need PA as much.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:34 PM (eYoxG)

471 And if you ask "what is the plan for Trump in the 2024 general election," THIS IS THE PLAN. They are saddling us with another loser candidate and then when he loses, as everyone told them he would, they will say "you stopped our great candidate from winning."

Enough. How many cycles of this do we need?

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (KRtlO)

Yep. Mitch McConnell spent far more to help Trump's endorsees than Trump himself did.

And don't give me the "Oh, it's not Trump's job to spend" - he was doing fundraising predicted on him donating the proceeds to these candidates.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:34 PM (1wBNa)

472 I like Kari Lake.

At least she’s fighting her own battle of being ripped off in an election.

I hope she can win the Senate seat. She’s made a lot of eyes watch the Arizona elections.

Will it help? No.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:34 PM (DcKNO)

473

Trump's candidates win, and then the GOPe, *which has only limited resources and must make hard calls about where to spend those resources,* cut Trump's loser candidates off.

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You mean his candidates lose, I think.

Posted by: runner at October 11, 2023 02:35 PM (+bPgI)

474 I've not heard Trump make an effective, common-sense case for fraud.

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o_O

If my dog get hit in the middle of the road and there's a tire-width crushed section of his abdomen and I see the car pulled over ahead and the driver looking at the side of his car, I don't need to make a list of events.

People saw fraud. Watched it live. Saw record after record of it. Dozens of the events were posted here (Atlanta's 17K ghost votes come to mind).

Recently we learned *exactly* how it works, with local cops investigating, turning it over to the FBI, and all details disappearing, with even the police report becoming invisible unless you know the specific details required to request the FOIA release.

Spoilers: You don't

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:35 PM (VW7tl)

475 Andrea Mitchell is such a C#nt asking a Mother that has 2 kids kidnapped in Gaza, what are your feelings about the bombing in Gaza.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 11, 2023 02:35 PM (dKiJG)

476 Enough. How many cycles of this do we need?
Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM

I keep taking the estrogen, and I haven't had a SINGLE cycle!!!

Posted by: Dylan Mulvaney at October 11, 2023 02:35 PM (JCZqz)

477 >>>Trump did all the bad things

You can continue denying reality and just parodize all *factual* statements that Trump his a historically unpopular figure as "orangemanbad."

There's a reason he keeps losing. He's lost three in a row. We'll soon have four in a row, and then I'll hear that it was MY fault for sabotaging him with my negative thoughts.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:35 PM (KRtlO)

478 And that's not even getting into the courts yelling "no standing" at everyone, or the SCOTUS telling Texas to mind their own business.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:35 PM (VW7tl)

479 I wonder if Elon would be interested in becoming SOTH? It would be fun watching heads explode, at least...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 11, 2023 02:36 PM (wtvvX)

480
It's not Trump it's nit-wit (R)'s who take money from pink haired old ladies and promise to stop abortion. The single women show up on election day in mass and pull the lever for the (D). 80%.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Roe, Roe, Roe the vote. Maybe you didn't see the yardsigns.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 11, 2023 02:36 PM (enJYY)

481 >>>You mean his candidates lose, I think.

it was confusing, but I meant they win the *primary,* and then go on to lose the general, as expected and repeatedly warned.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:36 PM (KRtlO)

482 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:34 PM (d96zn)

You were just talking about how Kari Lake was a great candidate and you're flabbergasted that she lost. "She was leading in the polls! What happened?!" Maybe that's a sign that you don't have a good sense of who actually is popular and is running a good campaign.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:36 PM (1wBNa)

483 Sunny Leone >>> Mia Khalifa

You expect Morons to just take your word for that?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 02:37 PM (nfrXX)

484 478 And that's not even getting into the courts yelling "no standing" at everyone, or the SCOTUS telling Texas to mind their own business.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:35 PM (VW7tl)

=======

Also SCOTUS putting PA on notice, PA doing what it was going to do anyway, and then SCOTUS not doing anything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:37 PM (LvTSG)

485 Yep. Mitch McConnell spent far more to help Trump's endorsees than Trump himself did.

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The guy that gave millions to Murkowski in Alaska specifically to beat the Trump endorsement and who pulled money from Arizona when it looked like we might win?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:37 PM (VW7tl)

486 The thing dislike about Trump the most is "...Childish Name Calling..."
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I've been trying to think of a single instance where he hit first.

Can anyone post one?
Posted by: Moron Robbie

What Childish Name did Florida Governor Ron DeSantis a/k/a/ Meatball Ron call Trump first?

Posted by: Chuck C at October 11, 2023 02:37 PM (xttsV)

487 Trump is by far the most popular figure in the GOP. He also has significant problems outside his core base. But his core base is very big. I'm not sure what the answer is except to keep fighting it out.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 02:37 PM (sX1BW)

488 >>Also SCOTUS putting PA on notice, PA doing what it was going to do anyway, and then SCOTUS not doing anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason

Once again back to Trump and his weak picks.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 11, 2023 02:38 PM (l10hq)

489 481 >>>You mean his candidates lose, I think.

it was confusing, but I meant they win the *primary,* and then go on to lose the general, as expected and repeatedly warned.
Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:36 PM (KRtlO)

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My argument is that if the GOP treated these candidates like normal candidates, like Democrats largely do with their own fringier nominees, they'd win more races.

The GOP gatekeeps, and it's this gatekeeping that led to the small majority in the House that Gaetz was able to take advantage of to undermine McCarthy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:38 PM (LvTSG)

490 Lake’s campaign was excellent, she was tireless. The bitch who stole it pulled a Biden and stayed in her basement because every time she spoke stupid came out. And she knew ballot harvesting would bring her home.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:39 PM (DcKNO)

491 >>>It's not Trump it's nit-wit (R)'s who take money from pink haired old ladies and promise to stop abortion.

yes this was a big factor but as Trump's supporters often say, "Trump was the greatest pro-life president in history..."

Now he's talking about compromising on abortion and I guess he's still super pro-life and that Global Homosexual Groomer Ron DeSantis is the craven pro-choice candidate.

You can't keep having it both ways. You really can't.

Is trump the most pro-life president in history or not? Did he put in the justices that finally struck down row or not?

You can't just say "Roe did it all" while continuing to give Trump credit for that win.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:39 PM (KRtlO)

492 488 >>Also SCOTUS putting PA on notice, PA doing what it was going to do anyway, and then SCOTUS not doing anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason

Once again back to Trump and his weak picks.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 11, 2023 02:38 PM (l10hq)

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I've been told that Trump's SCOTUS picks aren't a defense of Trump because they're the same picks that any Republican president would make.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:39 PM (LvTSG)

493 Sad fact: Trump is the only one that can and will fight to turn this around. Like it or not that is where we are...

Posted by: meal team 6 at October 11, 2023 02:39 PM (naGpX)

494 Gaetz caused the Israeli atrocities by removing McCarthy!

WE NEED A SPEAKER!

Posted by: Stupid Typical Fucking Moonbat at October 11, 2023 02:39 PM (vqA1l)

495 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:37 PM (VW7tl)

Blake Masters didn't even come close. If that was so winnable, maybe when Trump sent out those fundraising emails mentioning Masters, he should have made the money actually go to Masters, instead of siphoning off literally 99% of it.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:39 PM (1wBNa)

496 What Childish Name did Florida Governor Ron DeSantis a/k/a/ Meatball Ron call Trump first?

Posted by: Chuck C

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Yeah, that's the question. Did Ron go on the offensive first?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:39 PM (VW7tl)

497 The GOP won the popular vote by a historically healthy margin in 2022. They did worse in Congress than in years where they've lost the popular vote.

This is not an Orangemanbad problem.

The GOP has several structural issues, including fraud, that puts it in a bad spot. Blaming it on Orangemanbad does nothing to fix those issues.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:40 PM (eYoxG)

498 Steve Scalise picks up an important endorsement.

https://is.gd/3GNV0h

Posted by: bonhomme at October 11, 2023 02:40 PM (0N1h0)

499 People saw fraud. Watched it live. Saw record after record of it. Dozens of the events were posted here (Atlanta's 17K ghost votes come to mind).

This is a common mistake: political junkies assume that everyone is just as focused on politics. They're not. If you want something to get through, you need to present it in organized fashion, repeatedly, again and again. If you are counting on Joe Six Pack to watch all the things and create his own narrative from all these disparate points, you are planning to have someone else's narrative take hold instead.

Posted by: He's a politician, and you are excusing him from effective politicking on his signature issue. at October 11, 2023 02:40 PM (ppBhU)

500 I wanna be sedated

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (z94BK)

501 Polls are for strippers alert:

PA: Trump +9 over Biden (Emerson)
MI: Trump +7 over Biden (MRG)

Posted by: Montec at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (bWsRe)

502 491 >>>It's not Trump it's nit-wit (R)'s who take money from pink haired old ladies and promise to stop abortion.

yes this was a big factor but as Trump's supporters often say, "Trump was the greatest pro-life president in history..."

Now he's talking about compromising on abortion and I guess he's still super pro-life and that Global Homosexual Groomer Ron DeSantis is the craven pro-choice candidate.

You can't keep having it both ways. You really can't.

Is trump the most pro-life president in history or not? Did he put in the justices that finally struck down row or not?

You can't just say "Roe did it all" while continuing to give Trump credit for that win.
Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:39 PM (KRtlO)

Actions vs words.

Does Trump campaign as a moderate, or often erratically? Yes. 100%.

Does he do what we want in office? Yes.

We don't need to go through this repeatedly.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (eYoxG)

503 Oooo and 500!

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (z94BK)

504 You were just talking about how Kari Lake was a great candidate and you're flabbergasted that she lost. "She was leading in the polls! What happened?!" Maybe that's a sign that you don't have a good sense of who actually is popular and is running a good campaign.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:36 PM (1wBNa)

Kari Lake was a fantastic quality candidate; way, way more impressive than Abortion Mouse who refused to debate. I call it like I see it… there was obvious fraud in that election. As for Trump I don’t know what to tell you…. It’s self evident he’s the most popular politician on the GOP side. No one else comes close…. Yeah wine moms and Dems hate him. That’s no news flash

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (d96zn)

505 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:38 PM (LvTSG)

Democrats nominated a terrible candidate in the WI Senate race, Mandela Barnes, who blew the election to Ron Johnson. So the argument that "Democrats just overcome their candidate quality problems with money and sheer loyalty" is blown to crap.

So is the argument that "Fraud is urban areas guarantees Democrat wins." Tell Senator Barnes that.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (1wBNa)

506 Nood Tuber.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (nfrXX)

507 501 Polls are for strippers alert:

PA: Trump +9 over Biden (Emerson)
MI: Trump +7 over Biden (MRG)
Posted by: Montec at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (bWsRe)

Trump will lose those both.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (eYoxG)

508 >>490 Lake’s campaign was excellent, she was tireless. The bitch who stole it pulled a Biden and stayed in her basement because every time she spoke stupid came out. And she knew ballot harvesting would bring her home.
Posted by: Seems legit

Its the fault of the lazy and ignorant AZ legislature. Lake should have blasted them but she didn't.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 11, 2023 02:42 PM (l10hq)

509 Is trump the most pro-life president in history or not? Did he put in the justices that finally struck down row or not?

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Is he personally the most pro-life? No

Did he put all the justices on the Court that struck down Roe? No, the Bush family gets some credit.

But at the end of the day, after nominating 3 justices, Roe was struck down. Trump deserves a lot of credit for that. The movement will continue, but it will be a different fight for now. We will have to learn what strategy works best in a post-Roe world. Too soon for me to tell if Trump is the right guy for it or not. But I will give him credit for Roe being overturned.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 02:42 PM (sX1BW)

510 @477 ace-better hope they don't put Trump in prison and take him out of the election and the heir apparent is DeSantis. When he goes down in flames you're going to be tap dancing like a MF'er with excuses.

Posted by: JROD at October 11, 2023 02:42 PM (IlL6s)

511 I refuse to be deprogrammed!!

Posted by: Seems legit at October 11, 2023 02:42 PM (DcKNO)

512

Ebony Alert
Ebony Alert

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 11, 2023 02:42 PM (63Dwl)

513 Blake Masters didn't even come close. If that was so winnable, maybe when Trump sent out those fundraising emails mentioning Masters, he should have made the money actually go to Masters, instead of siphoning off literally 99% of it.

Posted by: Theo

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Yes, yes. We know. Trump said pussy. Here's your initial post in case you forgot:

"Yep. Mitch McConnell spent far more to help Trump's endorsees than Trump himself did. "

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:42 PM (VW7tl)

514 London's Luton airport closed due to huge fire in parking garage. Coincidence?

Posted by: Diogenes at October 11, 2023 02:43 PM (uSHSS)

515 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (d96zn)

A "fantastic quality" candidate who (by her own admission) didn't do internal polling or run ads and who predicated her campaign on slavish loyalty to the first Republican unpopular enough to lose Arizona in a quarter-century.

Kemp, Lombardo, Youngkin, DeSantis all won much tougher races than she lost.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:43 PM (1wBNa)

516 505 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:38 PM (LvTSG)

Democrats nominated a terrible candidate in the WI Senate race, Mandela Barnes, who blew the election to Ron Johnson. So the argument that "Democrats just overcome their candidate quality problems with money and sheer loyalty" is blown to crap.

So is the argument that "Fraud is urban areas guarantees Democrat wins." Tell Senator Barnes that.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:41 PM (1wBNa)

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You intentionally misunderstand me.

Democrats win more on average, not all the time, because they treat their candidates like normal candidates all the time. Republicans are much more willing to cut their recalcitrant candidate lose without a dime, leading to self-fulfilling prophecies of lost races, especially as the leadership and local bodies end up bad mouthing the candidates.

That's gatekeeping which led to a weakened House majority. If Republicans would treat their primary loses with more grace and try to win more, they'd win more.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:43 PM (LvTSG)

517
You can't just say "Roe did it all" while continuing to give Trump credit for that win.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:39 PM

Yeah, I didn't see Roe going down as a win. It was simply Clarence Thomas tired of the same battle year after year. So it goes to the states and turns into a cluster of fvck every two and four years as the (R)'s take the money, get caught on video with the most strident position, which Soros then makes sure that every voter (especially single women I'm sure) see over and over again.

Definition of insanity.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 11, 2023 02:43 PM (enJYY)

518
This is a common mistake: political junkies assume that everyone is just as focused on politics. They're not. If you want something to get through, you need to present it in organized fashion, repeatedly, again and again. If you are counting on Joe Six Pack to watch all the things and create his own narrative from all these disparate points, you are planning to have someone else's narrative take hold instead.

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Joe Six Pack knows fraud exists.

See also: NC veto

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:44 PM (VW7tl)

519 >>>
Does he do what we want in office? Yes.

was the swamp drained?

Was the wall finished?

When a CENTCOM commander admitted that he subverted trump's order to get troops out of Syria and Yemen, and just played games with numbers to trick trump, and this story was published in the national press, did Trump go after that guy and get him kicked out of the military and ride herd on the military to make sure his order was followed, or did he just do... nothing about it at all?

The answer is "he did nothing about it." We all got outraged about this clear insubordination and subversion, and Trump... gabbed with Maggine Haberman on the phone for four hours, as is his custom, and posted some Strong Statements on Twitter.

We need someone who is actually capable of FOCUSING and doing homework and putting in the hours to get his agenda carried out by an obviously-opposed bureaucracy. Not a guy who thinks posting a tweet and insulting people at a rally means MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:44 PM (KRtlO)

520 As far as Gaetz "getting something". If you make a promise you had best keep it. McCarthy didn't so Gaetz got what he wanted.

Posted by: sidney at October 11, 2023 02:44 PM (Uy/WF)

521 Posted by: Moron Robbie - Mullvad offers a privacy focused browser you should try at October 11, 2023 02:42 PM (VW7tl)

...and?

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:45 PM (1wBNa)

522
BTW: Every time I see Trump taking credit for the overturning of Roe I cringe. Like 'Operation Warp Speed' - which he AT LAST has shut up about.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 11, 2023 02:45 PM (enJYY)

523 looked at the adl page: three white suprmacist groups that if you put them together with all the others couldn't fill a decent size auditorium.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at October 11, 2023 02:46 PM (B1FKF)

524 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:43 PM (LvTSG)

Yeah, if the RGA dropped more into Mastriano's campaign, he would have overcome a double-digit deficit and won.

They actually did spend to support Lake...and she still got crushed.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:47 PM (1wBNa)

525 >>>Yes, yes. We know. Trump said pussy. Here's your initial post in case you forgot:

dude, he's telling the truth. The default cut of the donations that Trump takes in are like 99% for Trump, 1% for the candidate. You *can* change that ratio and put in a manual division of the donation IF you find the right buttons to do so.

but when Trump "raises money" for Blake Masters, 99% is going to Trump.

And where does that money go?

do you feel like we've gotten good value for the billions Trump has raised? Does that money ever come out of the Trump Black Box?

We used to complain endlessly about GOPe and fake Tea Party grifters doing this. Now we just shrug and say "Trump said pussy," as if that answers the point.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:48 PM (KRtlO)

526 524 They actually did spend to support Lake...and she still got crushed.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:47 PM (1wBNa)

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Did you hear about the federal ruling against the AZ Secretary of State office saying that their signature verification for 2022 was so bad that it was out of alignment with law?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:48 PM (LvTSG)

527 Scalise is just more of the same. He's as unserious and useless as any GOPe.

Maybe some day the GOP will actually do something useful. Once again, today is not that day.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 02:49 PM (ky+MF)

528 They then lose, as everyone predicted, and Trump and his most passionate stalwarts all say: "They did it on purpose! They stopped our great candidate from winning!"

And if you ask "what is the plan for Trump in the 2024 general election," THIS IS THE PLAN. They are saddling us with another loser candidate and then when he loses, as everyone told them he would, they will say "you stopped our great candidate from winning."

Enough. How many cycles of this do we need?
Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:31 PM (KRtlO)

This would have merit to me if I didn't already witness countless wrong candidates" abandoned by the GOP because the primary voters didn't choose the right one.
Not all candidates will win, but hell if I am obligated to give a rats ass who GOP leadership thinks is a good candidate.

I feel that its much more likely that the good ol boy network fights harder to keep people out than they do to get people in.

Someone will have to prove me wrong on that because there's where I'm at.

Posted by: Inogame at October 11, 2023 02:49 PM (53oGX)

529 GOP controls 1/2 of Congress and the Supreme Court.

Stop expecting policy changes, spending changes, etc. Sure, maybe half a loaf, take what you can get.

Oversight is currently the strongest thing they have.
Comer is doing the work.

For spending to be cut, it has to be entitlements. That will not happen until a crisis occurs. See NZ and canada.

There's a reason Trump ignored spending.

So, I think the best way is to put up a token resistance where you state why its a problem, but eventually give in before government shutdowns happen, so that in 1-3 years when we really do have to fix our finances people remember your party as the ones that tried.

Its tricky. The dems have the media so they control what most people know and hear. And the voters seem to love high spending and low taxes. I mean, yes, if its not me paying the bill!

And right now the single most important political issue is Joe Biden's corruption. Stick with that story.

Because its actually how all of DC operates and if you take down Biden, you may prevent a lot of other corruption.

Posted by: Harun at October 11, 2023 02:50 PM (c2WeP)

530 Is Scalise capable of crying on cue?

If not, he's not fit to be the GOPe's choice for speaker.

Posted by: Shepherd Lover at October 11, 2023 02:50 PM (SE3js)

531 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, at Camp Crystal Lake with Jason at October 11, 2023 02:48 PM (LvTSG)

I did.

I don't like this. It's true that many localities and states did sketchy crap with elections.

It was still winnable. There was a charisma-lacking Republican in his late seventies, Tom Horner, who ran against an incumbent Dem for the statewide Education Superintendant position and WON, signature verification be damned.

You're complaining that the conditions weren't fair. Fuck fair. Work your way around a problem. The election was winnable. If Lombardi could win in Nevada, which was much more under Dem control, Lake could have won in Arizona.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:50 PM (1wBNa)

532 BTW: Every time I see Trump taking credit for the overturning of Roe I cringe.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 11, 2023 02:45 PM (enJYY)

Why is that? You think Roe would have been overturned if Hillary won? Or do you think Rubio could have beat Hilary?

I understand disliking Trump, I don't understand refusing to give him credit when it is due.

Sure, he wasn't one of the justices. Absent Trump though, Roe would still be law.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 02:51 PM (ky+MF)

533 Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:44 PM (KRtlO)

What is needed to get the wall finished? Or really fix a whole bunch of problems? Congress.

Does an R Congress acting in our interests have much to do with Trump? No, not unless he spent decades reshaping the party and he's already an old man.

Is Trump going to lose in 2024? Yes, but so would other R candidates. There are structural issues in the party that need to be addressed.

Trying to make everything an issue such that if we just replace Trump things will be fine is silly.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:52 PM (eYoxG)

534 We need someone who is actually capable of FOCUSING and doing homework and putting in the hours to get his agenda carried out by an obviously-opposed bureaucracy. Not a guy who thinks posting a tweet and insulting people at a rally means MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Posted by: ace

So who do we vote for?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 11, 2023 02:53 PM (xgUr8)

535 You're complaining that the conditions weren't fair. Fuck fair. Work your way around a problem. The election was winnable. If Lombardi could win in Nevada, which was much more under Dem control, Lake could have won in Arizona.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:50 PM (1wBNa)

What we should do is just always only vote for GOPe approved and backed candidates. That way, conservative stuff will really get done. The GOPe - you can trust them not to help the left, b/c look at history!! It's replete with the GOPe enforcing the border, reducing spending, enforcing the law equally against leftists, standing up for free speech, ensuring the gov't doesn't persecute conservatives. Why, the GOPe is like a saint and we should all back whatever GOPe says.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 02:54 PM (ky+MF)

536
You're complaining that the conditions weren't fair. Fuck fair. Work your way around a problem. The election was winnable. If Lombardi could win in Nevada, which was much more under Dem control, Lake could have won in Arizona.
Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:50 PM (1wBNa)

You reject the concept of calculating and adjusting for fraud. Some states should be written off due to the fraud that can be conducted there, others shouldn't (for the Presidential race). We can see what methods they use, different ones are more limited than others. We can consequently kind of math things out. Though a state where they're more active is harder to nail down.

For example, Michigan is a write-off, Wisconsin might be doable.

But big picture, the GOP is not positioned to win the Presidency in 2024.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:55 PM (eYoxG)

537 Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 02:54 PM (ky+MF)

Not at all a rebuttal to what I said.

The irony is that your complaint applies perfectly to Trump:

- Didn't protect border

- Didn't reduce spending

- Didn't enforce the law

- Didn't do anything about what happened under his own administration

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:56 PM (1wBNa)

538 "So who do we vote for?"

Desantis.

If you want to return to a softer more moderate touch, then Haley. I don't want to but I'd take her over Biden.

Posted by: Harun at October 11, 2023 02:57 PM (c2WeP)

539 Trying to make everything an issue such that if we just replace Trump things will be fine is silly.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 11, 2023 02:52 PM (eYoxG)

Not just silly, but an absolute lie. Everyone who had their eyes opened between 2016 and now as to the uni-party appear excited to re-close their eyes and pretend the GOP is actually going to do anything to restore the rule of law, enforce the border, etc.

I am astounded by how ready these people are to go back to being blind to the truth. Not just willing to silently except it, but arguing for the rest of us to join them in their insanity.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 02:57 PM (ky+MF)

540
I don't see the overturning of Roe being any sort of victory at all. It only further divides the nation and hastens the civil war.

There needs to be a national rule, whether 6 weeks or 12, shit or get off the pot. Maybe burn in hell, but that's your choice.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 11, 2023 02:57 PM (enJYY)

541 "pretend the GOP is actually going to do anything to restore the rule of law, enforce the border, etc."

There is one guy who has shown over and over he will brutally enforce laws, and even fight massive corporate entities to do so.

Desantis.

Posted by: Harun at October 11, 2023 03:00 PM (c2WeP)

542 Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 02:56 PM (1wBNa)

Your willingness to pretend the GOP is anything but part of the uni-party is duly noted and accounted for. Nothing you say from this point on has merit. You are blind and willingly so.

Sure, DeSantis or Rubio or Scalia are going to fight for anything you claim to believe in. Sure. Yeah.

Look - I'd rather lose with Trump than win with the GOPe. Say whatever you want. You ignore all of history in your silly arguments. the GOP is not my party. I don't want any GOP person running anything. All they are is the pretend opposition to the left - they are their to make people like you quiet down and believe democracy is truly happening and that you are represented.

I really thought 2016 - through the present taught people lessons. Apparently, some people will never wake up.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 03:01 PM (ky+MF)

543 There is one guy who has shown over and over he will brutally enforce laws, and even fight massive corporate entities to do so.

Desantis.

Posted by: Harun at October 11, 2023 03:00 PM (c2WeP)

As I've said like a thousand times now - we have had tons of state level "conservatives", who at the state level seemed like the real deal - run for federal office and immediately turn into GOPe members.

Maybe DeSantis will be the exception to the rule. History is not on his side though. And look at who he is surrounding himself with and his positions. He's already softening his positions. By the general election, he'll be no different than W. If elected, he'll be the second coming of W.

In other words, he is not the savior you believe he is. Neither is Trump. But I know Trump will disrupt the system and will fight for the things I want fought for. I have no faith DeSantis will even try to fight for any of those things. And, again, history backs me up on my lack of faith in DeSantis.

If DeSantis is the nominee, I'll probably vote for him in the general - with little hope. That's better than any other GOP candidate who I won't bother voting for.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 03:04 PM (ky+MF)

544 Last word on DeSantis - if he can't beat Trump in the primary. And Trump is allegedly as weak a candidate as you anti-Trumpers claim, what does that actually say about DeSantis as a candidate?

the fact that DeSantis can't seem to gain traction should actually give you more pause than Trump's negatives do. DeSantis is running in friendly terrain (republican primary) and can't make a dent. Yet you think he'll win in the general election?

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 03:06 PM (ky+MF)

545 Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 03:01 PM (ky+MF)

"Your willingness to pretend the GOP is anything but part of the uni-party is duly noted and accounted for. Nothing you say from this point on has merit. You are blind and willingly so. "

My point is that there's this wailing and gnashing of teeth about the "uniparty" and "GOPe"...and the exact same people act like Trump is better than that or above it.

Why? What's the evidence that he's the "real" opposition to the left, as opposed to the GOP's "pretend" opposition? Trump was less willing to confront the left, less willing to effect change, and all around less valuable than an average Republican.

"But he talks a good game on social media!"

Do I have to explain what that doesn't matter?

"Look - I'd rather lose with Trump than win with the GOPe."

And you've been getting your wish. The Trump experience isn't a few losses or even a sequence of losses. It's one continuous stream of losing. Trump loses so often and so badly that you'd have to enjoy it to tolerate being a part of it.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 03:08 PM (zfyxT)

546 Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 03:06 PM (ky+MF)

"If Reagan couldn't beat Ford in 1976, and Ford lost to Carter, how can Reagan beat Carter in 1980?"

You're so deprived of actual wins that you have to focus on future hypothetical ones that haven't happened yet.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 03:10 PM (zfyxT)

547 In other words, he is not the savior you believe he is. Neither is Trump. But I know Trump will disrupt the system and will fight for the things I want fought for. I have no faith DeSantis will even try to fight for any of those things. And, again, history backs me up on my lack of faith in DeSantis.

Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 03:04 PM (ky+MF)

Trump did not disrupt the system in the least.

"But he was feisty on Twitter! And he said things I wanted to hear on Twitter! That's fighting for me, right?"

No, it isn't. That's talking. It's no more fighting than tweeting "LAW AND ORDER" fifty million times during a series of riots is actually restoring law and order.

Posted by: Theo at October 11, 2023 03:11 PM (zfyxT)

548 Posted by: I forgot my name b/c I haven't posted in 6 months at October 11, 2023 03:06 PM (ky+MF)

Ed ?
Ted?
Fred ?
Moe?
joe?
Bo?

Posted by: JT at October 11, 2023 03:20 PM (T4tVD)

549 Theo is on fire.

Posted by: Harun at October 11, 2023 03:24 PM (c2WeP)

550 Dang

President Trump backed Jordon

Scalia is a globalist

Not good

4 We need someone who is actually capable of FOCUSING and doing homework and putting in the hours to get his agenda carried out by an obviously-opposed bureaucracy. Not a guy who thinks posting a tweet and insulting people at a rally means MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Posted by: ace

You want a college student who does homework?
President Trump got shot done amd NO wars for 4 years

Shove it

Posted by: Gonzotx at October 11, 2023 03:32 PM (IBoUp)

551 There were at least two petulant RINO twats that were claiming they would only vote in favor of restoring McCarthy as Speaker.

Posted by: deadrody at October 11, 2023 04:50 PM (SKRBr)

552 LOL and Gaetz "won" because Gaetz had the help of the Dems.
Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (rj6Yv)

Are you a fucking RETARD ? Stop repeating this media / RINO talking point. The democrats did not help Gaetz. McCarthy expected them to bail him out and they "betrayed" him. The one who expected the "help of Dems" was McCarthy the RINO. I don't know if Gaetz thought it was more of a doomed hail mary or if he expected the Democrat scorpions to do exactly what they do.

Either way, you're clearly an idiot

Posted by: deadrody at October 11, 2023 04:55 PM (SKRBr)

553 243 None of them would have won. Better to use what power you have to negotiate deals with the next Speaker. Let's see what gets negotiated.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at October 11, 2023 01:56 PM (sX1BW)

So you're saying that for Gaetz to get his pick for Speaker, he's got to make a deal with the Dem caucus. LOL
Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 01:59 PM (rj6Yv)
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Wow, so you really have no idea how this works, huh ? The rules are already set because they're decided at the beginning of the session, IE back in January. Right now there is still a one vote for motion to vacate. If the new speaker wants to change that, they have to make concessions to the people that wanted it, IE the freedom caucus. Otherwise, the rules stay exactly as they are and if Scalise is no better, he'll face the exact same motion.

What is it you think they do in the divided government with a tiny minority in the House, exactly ? They're not doing anything ground breaking because The Senate is 50-50 and if it doesn't suit the senile dipshit in the White House, it would get veto-ed.

Posted by: deadrody at October 11, 2023 04:59 PM (SKRBr)

554 289 Nothing will happen on the Biden impeachment inquirty until we have a new Speaker. Now, those folks who think that a paralyzed House of Representatives is a good thing while the Biden regime runs roughshod over the country might just need to figure out how things really work.
Posted by: mrp at October 11, 2023 02:04 PM (rj6Yv)

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And you think this SOOPER important impeachment inquiry is going to.... what ? Move a single vote ? Get the leftist media to turn on Biden ? You're out of your mind.

Yeah, Democrats are "tear up the Constitution". And you think the House is going to..... ??? WHAT ? Pass a very sternly worded letter about it ? Reach across the aisle (it is to laugh) and get Democrats to vote with them to reign it in ?

I mean, seriously, do you really think the House is going to pass an immigration bill that is going to force deportations and build the border wall and its going... ANYWHERE ?

For fuck sakes, try living on the actual planet earth for a minute.

Posted by: deadrody at October 11, 2023 05:04 PM (SKRBr)

555 We need someone who is actually capable of FOCUSING and doing homework and putting in the hours to get his agenda carried out by an obviously-opposed bureaucracy. Not a guy who thinks posting a tweet and insulting people at a rally means MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Posted by: ace at October 11, 2023 02:44 PM (KRtlO)
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And just who the hell do you think that is ? Mr. 7% Ron DeSantis ???

Maybe - just maybe - if the Republican party wasn't a fucking JOKE, they'd support the guy who can get elected with someone to serve WITH HIM that can do this homework. I mean are you under the impression that Trump is even capable of doing this level of "hOmEWorK" ? He IS NOT A POLITICIAN. Or did you forget this ?

I get the point of what you're saying, but its navel gazing idiocy at this point. You're on the same train as mrp, pushing for someone to run things in a world that doesn't exist.

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Posted by: scares at October 11, 2023 09:25 PM (ZIX+e)

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We'll be fine.

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