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Iran Collects Billions in Ransom Payments From Kidnapping Westerners

It's not just the $6 billion Biden just gave his Iranian Palz.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has generated a massive windfall of up to $15.7 billion for illegally seizing American hostages as part of a ruthless hostage policy that has been fine-tuned since its 1979 revolution, according to new a think tank report.

The publication of the report by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) coincides with the Biden administration's Monday announcement that it released at least $6 billion in sanctions relief to the theocratic state as part of a prisoner swap.

The U.S.-based MEMRI report cited an Iranian security official who declared in August, "This exchange operation is in fact one of the most successful and effective negotiation [efforts] ever to happen to the Islamic Republic of Iran. In essence, we released a few Iranian prisoners in exchange for some prisoners whose sentences were about to end, and, on the other hand, we succeeded in releasing billions of dollars of our blocked resources without committing to anything else."

Fox News Digital sent several press queries to the State Department for reaction to the MEMRI report, specifically the $15.7 billion figure said to be the amount of money paid to the Iranian regime by the U.S. government since 1981.


Previously, the State Department vigorously defended its $6 billion payment to Iran in the latest prisoner swap.

In a statement to Fox News Digital last week, it noted, "These funds will be moved to restricted accounts in Qatar, and the United States will have oversight as to how and when these funds are used," a state department spokesperson said. "It is longstanding U.S. policy to ensure our sanctions do not prevent food, medicine, and other humanitarian goods and services from flowing to ordinary people, no matter how objectionable their governments."

That's a lie, as Tony Blinken admits in a video below the fold.



The U.S.-sanctioned Iranian regime President Ebrahim Raisi disputed the State Department's assertion, stating his regime will spend the $6 billion "where we need it."

The Iranian tyrant is telling the truth, and American gangster-government officials are lying. What a lovely third-world shithole the former America is now.

...

Just last week, an Iranian security official boasted to the Fars news agency that "this sum of money that was released to Iran this time is four or five times greater than [the amount released] the last time" with respect to 2016 when President Obama transferred $1.7 billion in cash to Tehran's rulers.

...

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and MEMRI have noted that Iran received billions in other unlocked sanctions relief that are believed to part of this week's prisoner swap announcement.

The U.S. previously unfroze $10 billion to Iran in escrowed funds held in Iraq. Iran International recently reported, in July, that an Iranian official said Iraq released the $10 billion to Tehran. MEMRI's report said, "according to Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, negotiations on the release of billions of dollars more, in Japan, are underway."

Iran analysts and observers have noted that the clerical regime in Tehran feels emboldened about the efficacy of its reported hostage-taking strategy targeting Americans and other Western countries.

The former Iranian Expediency Council secretary Mohsen Rezaee told Iran's Channel 2 in 2021 that he would capture 1,000 Americans as hostages in the event of a U.S. attack on Iran and to demand a $1 billion ransom from the U.S. for each of them.

A majority of the American public opposes the Democrat play to give Iran a nuclear bomb with one jackpot billion dollar installment payment after another.



A majority of Americans oppose the Biden administration's decision to award Iran with $6 billion in exchange for several prisoners wrongfully detained in the country, according to a poll.


Fifty-five percent of likely voters said last week they do not approve of the prisoner swap, according to a poll commissioned by the Senate Opportunity Fund, a conservative nonprofit.

Just 28 percent of the 800 national voters polled said they support the prisoner deal, with 17 percent saying they have no opinion. Of those who opposed the deal, 33 percent strongly opposed it, while 22 percent said they "somewhat disapprove."

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White House officials declined to comment on the latest move during a press call Sunday but said it would be meeting with European allies about Iran's nuclear program during the U.N. conference this week. A senior White House official also hailed the prisoner swap and a "historic moment" and said it sets the stage for further negotiations with Tehran's hardline regime.

Oh perfect, we paid $6 billion to Iran's Department of Terrorism, Kidnapping, and Extortion so that we can have "further negotiations" with Iran.

Below, Blinken admits there is no way to control what Iran spends the $6 billion on.

They will, of course, first finance additional hostage-taking missions. A business always takes care of its revenue-producing divisions first.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 03:57 PM




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1 Foist

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 20, 2023 03:57 PM (fj7ar)

2 nd!

Posted by: The Uniparty at September 20, 2023 03:59 PM (FVJNG)

3 Damn it! Off, filthy government sock!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 20, 2023 03:59 PM (FVJNG)

4 Do you know what the difference is between no-bail/catch and release crime we're seeing in Blue Zones and Iran? NOTHING. They're just encouraging more of the same behavior. Sure, the amount of money and carnage may vary. But it's the same result.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:00 PM (GwxCX)

5 I guess we've forgotten the whole Barbary Pirates lesson, then.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 20, 2023 04:00 PM (FVJNG)

6 Mmm another taste of Iran's ass! Such a bargain too!

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 20, 2023 04:00 PM (nnp+f)

7 Sorry, if you're stupid enough to go to Iran and you get kidnapped, you're automatically declared dead and forgotten.

Don't go to Iran, idiots.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 20, 2023 04:01 PM (H9sxy)

8 Below, Blinken admits there is no way to control what Iran spends the $6 billion on.
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In Biden's defense, he is inflating the currency into oblivion, so that $6 billion won't go that far.

Posted by: Methos at September 20, 2023 04:01 PM (Dnobf)

9 "A majority of Americans oppose the Biden administration's decision to award Iran with $6 billion in exchange for several prisoners wrongfully detained in the country, according to a poll."

Lemme guess, they'd rather send it to Ukraine.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 20, 2023 04:01 PM (fj7ar)

10 How much of the ransom do they have to kick back to the Bidens?

Posted by: Pudinhead at September 20, 2023 04:02 PM (pLaQB)

11 Note to self. Make sure not to go anywhere near Iran. There's no way Biden is forking over $1 billion for my sorry, conservative Catholic married white ass.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at September 20, 2023 04:02 PM (a/dOO)

12 Related to nothing, I think the ad, about getting rid of hanging belly, the person in the pic might be the same as the gal Maddix posted in the last thread.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:02 PM (qymln)

13 How much of the ransom do they have to kick back to the Bidens?
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 20, 2023 04:02 PM

I heard Hunter is a nuclear energy expert so Iran will be hiring him soon.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:03 PM (GwxCX)

14 Sorry, if you're stupid enough to go to Iran and you get kidnapped, you're automatically declared dead and forgotten.

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In a better world, an American would feel free to roam wherever he wanted because only a fool would try to harm an American.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 20, 2023 04:03 PM (sX1BW)

15 It makes sense if you look it at this way - Ten percent for the Big Guy, first Barack and now Decrepit Joe.

Posted by: GL at September 20, 2023 04:03 PM (5fDan)

16 Anthony Blinken makes Merrick Garland look butch.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 20, 2023 04:03 PM (I/Qkd)

17 Something something Aid And Comfort something something To An Enemy.

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at September 20, 2023 04:04 PM (wkJoE)

18 How much of the ransom do they have to kick back to the Bidens?
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 20, 2023 04:02 PM (pLaQB)

10%.

Same as in town.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:04 PM (qymln)

19 I wonder what percentage of the billions released will be kicked back to Joe and his handlers?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2023 04:04 PM (2YtOq)

20 Has there ever been a larger group of worthless fluffers than the GOP?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 20, 2023 04:04 PM (9b3Y7)

21 As Sun Tzu said, "Weaken your Allies and Strengthen your Enemies. This is the Path to Victory"...
Oh wait...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 20, 2023 04:05 PM (ynpvh)

22 How much of the ransom do they have to kick back to the Bidens?
Posted by: Pudinhead at September 20, 2023 04:02 PM (pLaQB)

10%.

Same as in town.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:04 PM

Doesn't Kerry get some too? There's no Iranian ass he won't tongue bathe.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:05 PM (GwxCX)

23 A majority of Americans oppose the Biden administration's decision to award Iran with $6 billion in exchange for several prisoners wrongfully detained in the country, according to a poll.

Imagine the results if they were told we're swapping five for five *AND* giving Iran $6 billion.

Posted by: t-bird at September 20, 2023 04:05 PM (dNNCD)

24 Oh perfect, we paid $6 billion to Iran's Department of Terrorism, Kidnapping, and Extortion so that we can have "further negotiations" with Iran.

What happened to the police ransom mantra of "never pay for hostages"?
I think we probably know what oil refinery or ship loading area to hit until Iran *can't* continue to bother anyone.
Where are the pols that understand that Iran is playing them all?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 20, 2023 04:05 PM (MHJbI)

25 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 20, 2023 04:05 PM (Zz0t1)

26 I'd like to point out that the same week this payment (removal of sanctions) was announced, Iran kidnapped five more westerners (including US citizens).

Posted by: Orson at September 20, 2023 04:05 PM (dIske)

27 A majority of the American public...

..

They don't care.

Posted by: I've got bad news for you at September 20, 2023 04:06 PM (pHPwR)

28 There is not an enemy of the US which cannot buy access to the current administration.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2023 04:06 PM (2YtOq)

29 Owebama gave them billions.

Biden gave them billions.

What more proof do you need that Democrats want you dead and will do whatever it takes to make that happen?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 20, 2023 04:06 PM (Zz0t1)

30 Zelensky and his goons have stolen more than $100b US tax dollars in 2 years. Iran is kinda low energy at bilking American tax payers if all they did was $15b over 40 years.

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:06 PM (50VnI)

31 I just have to wonder if famiglia Biden gets 10%...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 20, 2023 04:07 PM (hOUT3)

32 Sorry, if you're stupid enough to go to Iran and you get kidnapped, you're automatically declared dead and forgotten.

Don't go to Iran, idiots.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 20, 2023 04:01 PM (H9sxy)

I haven't bothered to look, but I'm assuming the "Americans" we're paying ransom for are not the kind that are born in cornfields in Iowa.

My guess is they have names like Amir and Hasid and suchlike. And their birth certs are stamped with "Tehran Memorial Hospital" on them.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:07 PM (qymln)

33 Where's Wynken and Nod?

Posted by: wth at September 20, 2023 04:07 PM (v0R5T)

34 Gotta give the weird beards credit.

Their boy Barack Obongo and his gal pal Ferret Face have been a good investment.

Hope and Change Baby! Hope and Change!

People are idiots.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 20, 2023 04:07 PM (UkqCM)

35 Doesn't Kerry get some too? There's no Iranian ass he won't tongue bathe.
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:05 PM (GwxCX)

Please. That a-hole pays some of the sweet Heinz money to Iran for the privilege of kissing their butt.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at September 20, 2023 04:07 PM (a/dOO)

36 Am I wrong in understanding the $6 billion was just the release of $6 billion that the United States stole from the Iranian government.

Because "Who runs Sanctions Town? Da US runs Sanctions Town!"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:07 PM (Gf3mx)

37 Terrorism, Kidnapping, and Extortion > Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at September 20, 2023 04:07 PM (wkJoE)

38 I saw somewhere that they already have grabbed a couple of other westerners. If you go to Iran you are an idiot and it's not worth a cent to ransom you. It's like playing in traffic and being shocked at getting run over

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 20, 2023 04:07 PM (mCz8T)

39 How is this not the very definition of treason?

Aiding and providing comfort to enemies of the United States of America?

Iran is an enemy state by their own admission.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:08 PM (YIVH2)

40
*insert image of American sailors on their knees with their hands behind their heads in a show of American force here*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 20, 2023 04:08 PM (Zz0t1)

41 Previously, the State Department vigorously defended its $6 billion payment to Iran in the latest prisoner swap.
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Just for some perspective on this.
We just spent $1.2 billion each - plus released Iranian prisoners - to get these people out. A total of $6 billion gone and we worsened national security.

In 2018, Donald Trump asked Congress for $8.6 billion for a border wall to help stem the tide of illegal aliens and was rebuffed. He then asked for $5 billion to build most of the wall, and was rebuffed. This wasn't worth spending so much money on and after all, the US government is not made of money.

We just spent more than Trump's revised cost for a border wall to spring *5* people from Iran.

We have sent 9x the original demand to Ukraine. At 3.5x the original demand was in straight cash.

We spent about 6x the original demand - conservatively - on illegal aliens last year.

Funny how much money we have when it's something interesting/profitable to politicians or bad for Americans, and how broke we are when it comes to doing anything that might actually help Americans.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:08 PM (t0OGg)

42 18
My 31 was a Horde Mind effect post!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 20, 2023 04:08 PM (hOUT3)

43 Below, Blinken admits there is no way to control what Iran spends the $6 billion on.


When the country is a smoking, radioactive crater, it's pretty easy to control.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 20, 2023 04:08 PM (Cn8Ag)

44 Money is fungible. Money not spent on food and medicines can be spent on terror.

"We do not reward bad behavior."

Apparently we do.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at September 20, 2023 04:09 PM (JkeTM)

45 Remember, though, at least 25% of the US population has no problem with Biden selling out the US, because anything is preferable to that icky Trump.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2023 04:09 PM (2YtOq)

46 The Iranian tyrant is telling the truth, and American gangster-government officials are lying. What a lovely third-world shithole the former America is now.
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A first-world country with a third-world government.

That combination cannot survive. We will be a third-world country before long, or we will get a first-world government. I know where my bet is.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:09 PM (t0OGg)

47 A pretty big majority also wants the border controlled. The left gives no fucks about what majorities want. They are a dictatorship. They do what they want. What are we going to do? “Vote” them out? Lol.

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:09 PM (50VnI)

48 Pallets O' Cash R us

Posted by: wth at September 20, 2023 04:09 PM (v0R5T)

49 Zelensky and his goons have stolen more than $100b US tax dollars in 2 years. Iran is kinda low energy at bilking American tax payers if all they did was $15b over 40 years.
Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:06 PM (50VnI)


Yeah, that kinda makes Iran the guys flipping pennies in the alley behind the casino where Ukraine is cleaning up in the high stakes room.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2023 04:09 PM (QzZeQ)

50 Doesn't Kerry get some too? There's no Iranian ass he won't tongue bathe.
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:05 PM (GwxCX)

Some of these people, I completely forget they exist until they poke their horse heads out of the stable.

Kerry is one of the few people who can go to foreign lands, "negotiate" as a private citizen, and get in no trouble at all.

I guess he gets paid well to do that, I just don't know who's paying him.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:10 PM (qymln)

51 A majority of the American public opposes the Democrat play to give Iran a nuclear bomb with one jackpot billion dollar installment payment after another.
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Iran hits "jackpots" all the time.

It would consider playing the lottery, but playing the US Government pays out much more reliably.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:10 PM (t0OGg)

52 The Clintons would have kept 20%.

The Bidens are slackers.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at September 20, 2023 04:10 PM (JkeTM)

53 Don't go to Iran, idiots.

These Americans are most likely full-blooded Persian. Many, many go back to visit family all the time.

Posted by: t-bird at September 20, 2023 04:10 PM (Sv58p)

54 They will, of course, first finance additional hostage-taking missions. A business always takes care of its revenue-producing divisions first.

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It's almost as if you get more of behavior you subsidize & reward and less of that you tax & punish.

Human nature be hard, yo!

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at September 20, 2023 04:10 PM (wkJoE)

55 A terrorist/cartel with nukes? Yeah, give 'em $6 billion.
-deepstate

Posted by: Eromero at September 20, 2023 04:10 PM (NxC5+)

56 They will, of course, first finance additional hostage-taking missions. A business always takes care of its revenue-producing divisions first.
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What? I mean, come on! We all know that perverse incentives and moral hazards only apply in the private sector! Government is above that kind of thing!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:10 PM (t0OGg)

57 >>>Watch as Secretary Blinken admits there is no way to control how Iran spends the $6 billion dollars President Biden gave to them
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Iranian spokesman said, - however we spend Iranian money for Iran is humanitarian for Iran.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 04:10 PM (7fmC8)

58 Posted by: Virginia SoCon at September 20, 2023 04:02 PM (a/dOO)

Not that I've seen your ass, but I don't think it's sorry. You are married, conservative and a person of religious faith; Those are three bonuses , but I do see your point that the Biden cabal wouldn't give a ransom for you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (RSbhh)

59 IMHO, this is good. It's far better to have a diplomatic relationship with Iran, even if through a third party, than none at all.

So when the next group of visitors to Iran/Russia/No.Korea gets arrested for whatever are we gonna bail then out too? At what cost? Everybody knows these are shithole countries. U.S. policy should be, go you there, you're on your own.

That wasn't our money. That was money Iran had invested outside their borders that the US put a freeze on. I get a sense that there's something else in the works and I'm comfortable at the moment waiting to see if something else happens.

Should've done this AFTER the election. Terrible optics. Same with the Griner deal; giving up a worldwide arms dealer Putin WANTED badly for an athlete was a bad deal.

I get that empathy is hard for some people. I will also repeat, again, that the money for Iran was their money, it's going to Qatar to manage and use solely for humanitarian purposes. Thank you, Joe Biden, for having the GUTS to do the right thing, no matter how "some people" see it.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (JCZqz)

60 40
*insert image of American sailors on their knees with their hands behind their heads in a show of American force here*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 20, 2023 04:08 PM (Zz0t1)

The proper response to Iranian speed boats causing trouble is a warning shot, then sinking them, possibly just sinking them first.
FAFO.
Our response? "So Solly. Here's more for your Dough for Terrorists organization"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (ynpvh)

61 Why are they doing this? Not in my fucking name.

I picked a bad month to stop sniffing glue.

Posted by: DOYLE at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (Z8Yh2)

62 5 I guess we've forgotten the whole Barbary Pirates lesson, then.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 20, 2023 04:00 PM (FVJNG)

The State Department was against America back then too.

Posted by: Beartooth at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (azYCi)

63 In a better world, an American would feel free to roam wherever he wanted because only a fool would try to harm an American.
Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at September 20, 2023 04:03 PM (sX1BW)
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Now it's OPEN SEASON on Americans in any and all dangerous spots in the world.

What happened to the good old days when a pirate ship dared capture Americans and we promptly destroyed their home base and everyone in it?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (YIVH2)

64
The proper response to Iranian speed boats causing trouble is a warning shot, then sinking them, possibly just sinking them first.
FAFO.
Our response? "So Solly. Here's more for your Dough for Terrorists organization"
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (ynpvh)



Correct!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (Zz0t1)

65 I guess we've forgotten the whole Barbary Pirates lesson, then.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Our founding fathers would have been stacking bodies a mile high by now. We have useless committees.

Posted by: Cheri at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (oiNtH)

66 ---
Now it's OPEN SEASON on Americans in any and all dangerous spots in the world.

What happened to the good old days when a pirate ship dared capture Americans and we promptly destroyed their home base and everyone in it?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (YIVH2)



I prefer THIS open season.......

https://youtu.be/nRXLBNZFrwU

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 20, 2023 04:12 PM (Zz0t1)

67 I get that empathy is hard for some people.

Yeah, like Sanctuary Cities kicking out Illegal Aliens.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 20, 2023 04:12 PM (ynpvh)

68 Instead of a direct exchange for our spies we gave them $6B *and* their spies. Quite the bargain.

I assume there's 10% for the big guy and his buddies involved in there somewhere.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 20, 2023 04:12 PM (t5d6b)

69 Remember when we never negotiated with terrorists.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 20, 2023 04:13 PM (xhaym)

70 ... Should've done this AFTER the election. Terrible optics. Same with the Griner deal; giving up a worldwide arms dealer Putin WANTED badly for an athlete was a bad deal. ...
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (JCZqz)
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Hmm. So this poster - who thinks that these kinds of deals are good and justified - objects to the timing for political reasons.

I wonder if he realizes that, on his own terms, he advocates for allowing American citizens to suffer under unjust foreign imprisonment for much longer than is technically necessary in order to achieve political objectives.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:13 PM (t0OGg)

71 This is not a new thing for Muslims. This is kind of how we got into the Crusades.

The Vatican would pay for safe passage for Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land, and the Muslims would still take them as slaves if they felt like it.

Until one emissary was told that no agreement between a Muslim and an "infidel" needed to be heeded.

Posted by: Axeman at September 20, 2023 04:13 PM (krQz2)

72 New rule: if you are retired enough to go to Iran you are not getting ransomed.

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:13 PM (50VnI)

73 So when the next group of visitors to Iran/Russia/No.Korea gets arrested for whatever are we gonna bail then out too? At what cost? Everybody knows these are shithole countries. U.S. policy should be, go you there, you're on your own

- Democratic Underground

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WAIT, WHAT?

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 20, 2023 04:14 PM (t5d6b)

74 I guess the Marines don't have a William Eaton to pull a Battle of Derna type raid on them.
Too bad.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 20, 2023 04:14 PM (MHJbI)

75 "The strong do as they wish. The weak do as they must."

This is what happens when you let the industrial base and military decay to a point of non-dominance.

Iran came and said "no. Give me my money. Fuck you."

Posted by: Thesokorus at September 20, 2023 04:14 PM (7z3MT)

76 Watch as Secretary Blinken admits there is no way to control how Iran spends the $6 billion dollars President Biden gave to them

Can Joe help it if anonymous strangers keep wiring money to his twenty shell companies?

Posted by: t-bird at September 20, 2023 04:15 PM (Sv58p)

77 Barky started t he Muslim payout

Posted by: Skip at September 20, 2023 04:15 PM (fwDg9)

78 New rule: if you are retired enough to go to Iran you are not getting ransomed.
Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:13 PM (50VnI)



Iran hates America.
It's people constantly chant "Death to America."

You travel to Iran as an American citizen, you have decided your way in life is to FAFO. If you FO, we will not be buying your way back out.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 20, 2023 04:15 PM (Zz0t1)

79 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (JCZqz)

Iran good. Russia bad.

Because...reasons.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 20, 2023 04:16 PM (KbCG3)

80 Retarded not retired.
Fuck out correct and its wokeness.

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:16 PM (50VnI)

81 I will also repeat, again, that the money for Iran was their money, it's going to Qatar to manage and use solely for humanitarian purposes. Thank you, Joe Biden, for having the GUTS to do the right thing, no matter how "some people" see it. -- DU Idiot
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Nope. The money that Obama "gave back" had already been awarded in court to victims of Iranian-sponsored terrorism.

Posted by: Axeman at September 20, 2023 04:16 PM (krQz2)

82 I'm completely fine assuming any American that goes to Iran is a spy.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 20, 2023 04:16 PM (t5d6b)

83 These ppl were US spies not tourists.

Posted by: Thesokorus at September 20, 2023 04:16 PM (7z3MT)

84 Everybody knows these are shithole countries. U.S. policy should be, go you there, you're on your own
- Democratic Underground
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WAIT, WHAT?
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at September 20, 2023 04:14 PM

Yeah...I included it because I was expecting a bunch of "you're no better than Trump" responses, but no...just responses like the "empathy" one saying "give them whatever we must to free our hostages". Bizarre.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 20, 2023 04:18 PM (JCZqz)

85 From a strategic standpoint, this is particularly interesting. Intolerable, but interesting. The nuclear assessment of the Persians or Arabs is very different from the nuclear assessment of the Russians, Indians, Chinese, etc.

In the latter case - the old-school scenario that used to apply - it wasn't a question of capability, but of desire. The USSR could destroy the world with nukes any time it pleased. The only intelligence question was, "do they want to do it, and if so then when?" Capability was never in question, but desire (or willingness) always was.

In the former case - the new scenario with the new players - it isn't a question of desire, but of capability. They absolutely desire to use atomic weapons and will do so the moment they can. The only question is "can they, and when can they?" The outcome is known. If Iran - or Iraq, or Syria, etc. - gets a nuke, it *will* use it.

And these people are the ones that we are helping to acquire nukes.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:18 PM (t0OGg)

86 Btw, these DU people saying, "It's their money!" are likely the same ones saying that we should be seizing all assets from Russian oligarchs.

I believe we have a few yachts as evidence.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 20, 2023 04:18 PM (KbCG3)

87 Now it's OPEN SEASON on Americans in any and all dangerous spots in the world.


We've got thousands of them locked up and held hostage in dangerous countries like *checks notes*....

Washington D.C.?

Yeah, hate to be pessimistic but, fuck the plight of oil executives, NGO extortionists, government 'ambassadors' and three letter agents in hostile countries doing their dirty business.

While innocent Americans rot in the American gulag for trying to protect our electoral system, I couldn't give two shits for the Americans that willingly travel to hostile regimes to try to extract a few hundred million in earnings with shady dictators.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:18 PM (Gf3mx)

88 "stunning admission?"
There is no such a thing anymore as regards this administration. They certainly are incapable of anything resembling integrity or even basic honesty. I, therefore, am incapable of anything resembling shock or surprise.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (MeG8a)

89 I see high jacking making a resurgence in our future. A plane load of 400 American citizens can produce a big payday. Or not. DOJ has to check the manifests first and do a background check on their voting records.

Posted by: Cheri at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (oiNtH)

90 The Iranian tyrant is telling the truth, and American gangster-government officials are lying. What a lovely third-world shithole the former America is now.

We're being sold down the river, part and parcel. Try to enjoy what's left...while you can.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (V8he0)

91 I guess the Marines don't have a William Eaton to pull a Battle of Derna type raid on them.
Too bad.


Maybe next month, if they can figure out who's hacking their F-35B's.

Posted by: t-bird at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (e2onP)

92 Isn’t there some rule that if you go to a country that the state dept says “don’t go there” the state dept doesn’t have to help you. If there isn’t can we fucking implement it please?

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (50VnI)

93 Iran hates America.
It's people constantly chant "Death to America."

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No, no. It's like when one actor tells another to "break a leg." It's wishing us good luck.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (FVME7)

94 This exchange operation is in fact one of the most successful and effective negotiation [efforts] ever to happen to the Islamic Republic of Iran

yes, because appeasement always works.

Posted by: Nevile Chamberlain at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (ynpvh)

95 Yeah, that kinda makes Iran the guys flipping pennies in the alley behind the casino where Ukraine is cleaning up in the high stakes room.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2023 04:09 PM (QzZeQ)

Gotta admit, I have no clue where we stand on Iran. Are we mad at them for basically taking over Iraq? Are they on the other side in the fights still going on in Syria? In Yemen?

I don't have a clue.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (MFBbx)

96 I get that empathy is hard for some people. I will also repeat, again, that the money for Iran was their money, it's going to Qatar to manage and use solely for humanitarian purposes. Thank you, Joe Biden, for having the GUTS to do the right thing, no matter how "some people" see it.
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Iran Hijab Bill: Women Face 10 Years In Jail For ‘Inappropriate’ Dress
Iran’s parliament has passed controversial bill that would increase prison terms and fines for women and girls who break its strict dress code. Those dressed “inappropriately” face up to 10 years in jail under the bill, for which a three-year “trial” was agreed. It still needs to be approved by the Guardian Council to become law.

The move comes a year after protests erupted over the death in custody of Mahsa Amini, who was held by morality police for an allegedly improper hijab.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (krqg6)

97 Retarded not retired.
Fuck out correct and its wokeness.
Posted by: Montec

Oh, thanks for the correction.
I thought you were throwing the *boomers* under the bus again.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 20, 2023 04:20 PM (MHJbI)

98 77 Barky started the Muslim payout
Posted by: Skip at September 20, 2023 04:15 PM (fwDg9)

While true, so what? I really don't understand the point, unless it's the commies that infested Obama's administration are in Biden's too.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at September 20, 2023 04:20 PM (a/dOO)

99 79 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (JCZqz)

Iran good. Russia bad.

Because...reasons.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 20, 2023 04:16 PM

I mean, they call the US the "Great Satan" and chant "Death to America", so they can't be all that bad. Plus, they're brown, and hate Christians!

Posted by: Typical Brain-Dead leftwing activist at September 20, 2023 04:20 PM (JCZqz)

100 Alexa, what does "fungible" mean?

Whoever is in charge at the WH is just openly laughing at the public now. Not a single Schiff is given. Oh yeah, it's going to get a LOT...you know the drill.

Posted by: The Guy Who Always Says It's Gonna Get Worse at September 20, 2023 04:21 PM (PWI4f)

101 money, it's going to Qatar to manage and use solely for humanitarian purposes

/

Remember the person who wrote this gets the same vote you do. And his also counts.

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:21 PM (50VnI)

102 Isn’t there some rule that if you go to a country that the state dept says “don’t go there” the state dept doesn’t have to help you. If there isn’t can we fucking implement it please?
Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (50VnI)
++++
I don't know the specific rules, but I do know the history of these things and it basically boils down to:
- If you're in a friendly or neutral country, you can expect the State Department will probably help you (or at least listen to you).
- If you're in an enemy country, you should expect the State Department to not pick up your calls.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:21 PM (t0OGg)

103 You know it's a bad deal if Kirby says it's a good one.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 20, 2023 04:21 PM (63Dwl)

104 How much of that ransom money does the Big Guy get?

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at September 20, 2023 04:21 PM (VdGjU)

105 Can Joe help it if anonymous strangers keep wiring money to his twenty shell companies?

Posted by: t-bird at September 20, 2023 04:15 PM (Sv58p)

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* Hunter's artwork has entered at the chat *

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at September 20, 2023 04:21 PM (HzLHf)

106 55 A terrorist/cartel with nukes? Yeah, give 'em $6 billion.
-deepstate

Posted by: Eromero
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Call it the Israeli incentive.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 04:21 PM (7fmC8)

107 Whoulda thunk a towel head could out maneuver Joe?

Posted by: wth at September 20, 2023 04:22 PM (v0R5T)

108 88 "stunning admission?"
There is no such a thing anymore as regards this administration. They certainly are incapable of anything resembling integrity or even basic honesty. I, therefore, am incapable of anything resembling shock or surprise.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (MeG8a)

:::hands tazer to witness:::
"And you testified this tazer was uncharged?"
"Yes. Watch"
:::witness tazes self unconcious:::
"And with that stunning confession, No further questions, your honor"

Posted by: Nevile Chamberlain at September 20, 2023 04:22 PM (ynpvh)

109 Retarded not retired.
Fuck out correct and its wokeness.
Posted by: Montec
.......

AoS AI is just messing with you now.

Posted by: wth at September 20, 2023 04:23 PM (v0R5T)

110 Praise Allah for Ayatolla Joe Biden.... Oh and....


DEATH TO AMERICA !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Government of Iran at September 20, 2023 04:23 PM (/Qz4j)

111 I will also repeat, again, that the money for Iran was their money

Or not. I wonder if it's "Eurodollars". Laundered, untaxable, U.S. dollars.

Posted by: t-bird at September 20, 2023 04:24 PM (e2onP)

112 Iran hates America.
It's people constantly chant "Death to America."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 20, 2023 04:15 PM (Zz0t1)

Does it? Not that long ago there was talk of women taking off their hijabs, that a revolution was happening.

I don't think it's ever going to really be possible to know what people in any of these so-called enemy states think or believe. What info isn't controlled by their government, is controlled by ours.

For all we know, the "death to America" chants are the equivalent of an Antifa rally here. I wouldn't want foreigners to watch Antifa and BLM riots and think that's what the American people are all about.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:24 PM (MFBbx)

113
104 How much of that ransom money does the Big Guy get?
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at September 20, 2023 04:21 PM (VdGjU)

10% of $6B is a big fucking deal! That’s easily a years worth of cocaine for Hunter.

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:24 PM (50VnI)

114 I will also repeat, again, that the money for Iran was their money,

-
No, it was the Shah's money, not the weird beard's.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:24 PM (FVME7)

115 103 You know it's a bad deal if Kirby says it's a good one.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 20, 2023 04:21 PM (63Dwl)

Vacuum cleaner,
or this guy:
https://is.gd/ALylvv

Posted by: Nevile Chamberlain at September 20, 2023 04:25 PM (ynpvh)

116 Iran hates America.
It's people constantly chant "Death to America."
-
No, no. It's like when one actor tells another to "break a leg." It's wishing us good luck.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:19 PM (FVME7)
******
Mark Levin's new book just came out titled-
The Democrat Party Hates America.

Posted by: redridinghood at September 20, 2023 04:25 PM (NpAcC)

117 A lot you know. That $US 15.7 billion isn't nearly the payout you goofs think it is. Due to our brilliant Bidenomics policies, inflation makes its true value only about $US 11.3 billion. So the joke's on you.

We are so smart. S-M-R-T. Wait. S-M-A-R-T.

Posted by: Joe Bidenesque at September 20, 2023 04:25 PM (aXxgO)

118 The Vatican would pay for safe passage for Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land, and the Muslims would still take them as slaves if they felt like it.

Until one emissary was told that no agreement between a Muslim and an "infidel" needed to be heeded.
Posted by: Axeman at September 20, 2023 04:13 PM (krQz2)
---
Muslims do have a concept of forging treaties for limited periods of time, up to 10 years. The justification for this is that the Muslims do this when they are in a weak position and use the time to build up their strength.

Those treaties aren't worth any more than any of their promises because they will violate the terms whenever they feel like it and blame the other party as the aggressor.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:25 PM (YIVH2)

119 For all we know, the "death to America" chants are the equivalent of an Antifa rally here. I wouldn't want foreigners to watch Antifa and BLM riots and think that's what the American people are all about.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:24 PM (MFBbx)



True. Just like how every few people in Eastern Europe were actually communist or hated the west.

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:25 PM (50VnI)

120 Remember the person who wrote this gets the same vote you do. And his also counts.

Posted by: Montec
---------------------

That's why I'm voting twice.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 04:25 PM (7fmC8)

121 Are they on the other side in the fights still going on in Syria? In Yemen?
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Yes and yes. And they're building an airbase in Lebanon, twelve miles from Israel. I don't expect Israel will pay the construction cost, as Puddin would.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at September 20, 2023 04:25 PM (sWM8x)

122 59 Should've done this AFTER the election. Terrible optics. Same with the Griner deal; giving up a worldwide arms dealer Putin WANTED badly for an athlete was a bad deal.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 20, 2023 04:11 PM (JCZqz)

========

Why would it be good after an election?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at September 20, 2023 04:26 PM (LvTSG)

123 Whoulda thunk a towel head could out maneuver Joe?
Posted by: wth at

A land bound manatee could outmaneuver Joe.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at September 20, 2023 04:26 PM (VdGjU)

124 these are the people who not only think they are the best and the brightest but they also think that there are big problems in the country and the world and only they can solve them. if trump were still in the white house and pompeo at state we might finally see the iran gov't overthrown by people who would thank us, but the best and brightest will swear that that won't solve anything

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 20, 2023 04:26 PM (B1FKF)

125 AoS AI is just messing with you now.
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When it's not ghosting or shadow-banning your ass!!!

Adios!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (krqg6)

126 Why does Iran hate America?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (Gf3mx)

127 ... I don't think it's ever going to really be possible to know what people in any of these so-called enemy states think or believe. What info isn't controlled by their government, is controlled by ours. ...
Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:24 PM (MFBbx)
++++
I agree that it isn't possible to know what the populations of enemy states believe in the main.

But the enemy states themselves? There, we can draw much better conclusions. Are those chanting "Death to America" actual normal Iranians, or are they state agents? Does it matter, from the outside looking in? "Death to America" is the state policy. Just like how here - to use your comparison - Antifa smashing up normals is in fact state policy. Does the average American like or want that? No, probably not. But from the outside looking in, that's state policy. It is what it appears to be.

If there were a war and a ton of Iranians died, did they die for what they believe or did they die because they're pawns controlled by a state that hates them? Are they villains or victims? I don't know. But the net effect is the same either way.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (t0OGg)

128 118 The Vatican would pay for safe passage for Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land, and the Muslims would still take them as slaves if they felt like it.

Until one emissary was told that no agreement between a Muslim and an "infidel" needed to be heeded.
Posted by: Axeman at September 20, 2023 04:13 PM (krQz2)
---
Muslims do have a concept of forging treaties for limited periods of time, up to 10 years. The justification for this is that the Muslims do this when they are in a weak position and use the time to build up their strength.

Those treaties aren't worth any more than any of their promises because they will violate the terms whenever they feel like it and blame the other party as the aggressor.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:25 PM (YIVH2)

Which is when they need a not-so-subtle reminder that they are not the stronger party.

Posted by: Nevile Chamberlain at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (ynpvh)

129 123 Whoulda thunk a towel head could out maneuver Joe?
Posted by: wth at

A land bound manatee could outmaneuver Joe.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at September 20, 2023 04:26 PM (VdGjU)

Even a dead whale.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 20, 2023 04:28 PM (ynpvh)

130 damn sock

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 20, 2023 04:28 PM (ynpvh)

131

Can we give them Sam Brinson, I'm sure they'd love that nutjob.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at September 20, 2023 04:28 PM (UCNv1)

132 Another brilliant maneuver by Biden

Posted by: It's me donna at September 20, 2023 04:29 PM (bs+z0)

133 Wasn't US money. Whether Shah or Not Shah.

Posted by: runner at September 20, 2023 04:29 PM (t459v)

134 131

Can we give them Sam Brinson, I'm sure they'd love that nutjob.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at September 20, 2023 04:28 PM (UCNv1)

Homo Satanic BDSM MonkeyPox Czar.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 20, 2023 04:29 PM (ynpvh)

135
Humanitarian my ass. Fuck them all. The mohammedans have plenty of money to provide aid within Iran, not to mention their fellow co-religionist savages. After all, Charity is one of the pillars of the mohammedan religion, equal to jihad in it's importance. I guess they all forgot about that.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2023 04:29 PM (n+4am)

136 DEATH TO AMERICA !!!!!!!!!
Posted by: The Government of Iran at September 20, 2023 04:23 PM (/Qz4j)

At least they're honest. Our government wants us dead too, but they get in front of congress and express outrage that anyone would think they're not totally fair and transparent with which citizens they persecute and which ones they don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:29 PM (78Hkq)

137 Fwiw one of the hottest chicks I knew in college was Iranian. Finest pair of tatas I’ve ever had the privilege of knowing. So not all bad. 😀

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:29 PM (50VnI)

138 >>> 86 Btw, these DU people saying, "It's their money!" are likely the same ones saying that we should be seizing all assets from Russian oligarchs.

I believe we have a few yachts as evidence.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 20, 2023 04:18 PM (KbCG3)

I am Severely Disappointed that Poo Tin has failed to issue letters of Marque and Reprisal to anyone in order to steal Billy Gates' and Jawn Cary's and Jeff Bezos' and whoever else's yacht.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 20, 2023 04:29 PM (llON8)

139 i have some vague recollection that the iranians broke that j something agreement that john kerry negotiated during his days as sec of state, and when kerry was asked about the iranians doing something the agreement said they couldn't do, kerry in a very serious tone of voice said "well they're not supposed to do that'

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 20, 2023 04:30 PM (B1FKF)

140 Disclose.tv @disclosetv 6m
JUST IN - Video platform Rumble rejects [calls] to demonetize Russell Brand's channel after being pressured by UK officials.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 20, 2023 04:30 PM (krqg6)

141 Even a dead whale.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

Leave my mom out of this.

Posted by: Chelsea C. at September 20, 2023 04:30 PM (fj7ar)

142 Wasn't US money. Whether Shah or Not Shah.
Posted by: runner at September 20, 2023 04:29 PM (t459v)

Possession is 9/10 of the law comment goes here.

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:30 PM (50VnI)

143 Mark Levin's new book just came out titled-
The Democrat Party Hates America.
Posted by: redridinghood

Just wait until America dumps them next year. They'll become abusive stalkers.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:30 PM (FVME7)

144 I wonder what Thomas Jefferson would do with these modern day pirates?

Posted by: Diogenes at September 20, 2023 04:31 PM (uSHSS)

145 Why does Iran hate America?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (Gf3mx)
******
Have you heard the story of the scorpion and the frog?

Posted by: redridinghood at September 20, 2023 04:31 PM (NpAcC)

146 Which is when they need a not-so-subtle reminder that they are not the stronger party.
Posted by: Nevile Chamberlain at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (ynpvh)
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I dunno.

The way they are rampaging through Europe and making the Americans look like a bunch of chumps tells me they believe they are the stronger party.

And what evidence is there to the contrary?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:31 PM (YIVH2)

147 WHY are you guys blaming Biden? He got an e-mail from someone saying he was kidnapped by a Sheik and was being held in Iran. And if he'd get money deposited in his account more than the 15 billion if we simply sent a check to free him. He was just helping!

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:31 PM (GwxCX)

148 Why does Iran hate America?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (Gf3mx)
******
Have you heard the story of the scorpion and the frog?
Posted by: redridinghood at September 20, 2023 04:31 PM (NpAcC)
++++
Dang, red. On point.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:31 PM (t0OGg)

149 A business always takes care of its revenue-producing divisions first.

Not always.

Posted by: The Barrel and the Moose Out Front at September 20, 2023 04:32 PM (a3Q+t)

150 I dunno.

The way they are rampaging through Europe and making the Americans look like a bunch of chumps tells me they believe they are the stronger party.

And what evidence is there to the contrary?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:31 PM (YIVH2)
++++
It looks mighty ascendant to me.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:32 PM (t0OGg)

151 Those treaties aren't worth any more than any of their promises because they will violate the terms whenever they feel like it and blame the other party as the aggressor.

You pretty much described every single Leftist in and out of government.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 20, 2023 04:32 PM (p8A+W)

152 Humanitarian my ass. Fuck them all. The mohammedans have plenty of money to provide aid within Iran, not to mention their fellow co-religionist savages. After all, Charity is one of the pillars of the mohammedan religion, equal to jihad in it's importance. I guess they all forgot about that.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2023 04:29 PM (n+4am)
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Why do that when they can extract the jizya from the infidel instead?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:32 PM (YIVH2)

153 The mohammedans have plenty of money to provide aid within Iran, not to mention their fellow co-religionist savages.
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Wrong ragheads, Sunni boy.

Shiite.
[Golly.]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 20, 2023 04:32 PM (krqg6)

154 OT Breaking. Alexandra Breckinridge is teh hawt.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:33 PM (GwxCX)

155 'To the shores of Tripoli.' That's the America we used to be.

Posted by: Eromero at September 20, 2023 04:33 PM (NxC5+)

156 126 Why does Iran hate America?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (Gf3mx)
________________

Because they hate everybody. Americans, Israelis, Sunnis, Eskimos, left-handed people, whatever else you've got.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at September 20, 2023 04:33 PM (YqDXo)

157 re 137: an iranian young lady was in a college class i took, this was before the 1979 carter assisted revolution. very pretty and classy

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 20, 2023 04:33 PM (B1FKF)

158 Why does Iran hate America?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

What've you got?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:34 PM (FVME7)

159 OT Breaking. Alexandra Breckinridge is teh hawt.
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:33 PM (GwxCX)
++++
Fact Check: True
https://is.gd/cvbPhP

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:34 PM (t0OGg)

160 Mediterranean Pirates!

Posted by: runner at September 20, 2023 04:34 PM (t459v)

161 Those treaties aren't worth any more than any of their promises because they will violate the terms whenever they feel like it and blame the other party as the aggressor.

You pretty much described every single Leftist in and out of government.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 20, 2023 04:32 PM (p8A+W)
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A man's word used to be his bond. A spit-and-a-handshake sealed the deal. Break your word and you were a dead man walking. Those were the good old days...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:34 PM (YIVH2)

162 ---
Muslims do have a concept of forging treaties for limited periods of time, up to 10 years. The justification for this is that the Muslims do this when they are in a weak position and use the time to build up their strength.
-----------------------------------

Thomas Jefferson came up with a cure fore this.
At least, during his life time.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 04:35 PM (7fmC8)

163 "Why does Iran hate America?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (Gf3mx)
******
Have you heard the story of the scorpion and the frog?"

... which is which?

Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 20, 2023 04:35 PM (ou9hh)

164 If there were a war and a ton of Iranians died, did they die for what they believe or did they die because they're pawns controlled by a state that hates them? Are they villains or victims? I don't know. But the net effect is the same either way.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (t0OGg)

I'm just hyper isolationist these days. I don't care what happens in these third world shitholes, as long as they don't come over here.

If they come over here, we kill them. And go back to not caring what they do.

My assumption though, is that it's generally true that people are people everywhere, with whatever modifications there are, it's none of my business how they conduct themselves. Including whether they hate me or not.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:35 PM (d0uT7)

165 "A business always takes care of its revenue-producing divisions first."

* clacks beak approvingly *

Posted by: Big Penguin at September 20, 2023 04:36 PM (lY5Sz)

166 ++++
Fact Check: True
https://is.gd/cvbPhP
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:34 PM

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:36 PM (GwxCX)

167 ... which is which?
Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 20, 2023 04:35 PM (ou9hh)
******
We're the frog, they're the scorpion.

Posted by: redridinghood at September 20, 2023 04:37 PM (NpAcC)

168 Having visited some muslim countries in my time, I can attest that they have no regard for anything resembling "equality" or fairness.
Either their boot is on my neck or mine is on theirs. That's just the way they see things.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 20, 2023 04:37 PM (MeG8a)

169 Well, I mean, in Biden's defense ... it's WAYYY easier to just give them whatever they want. Negotiating is hard, y'know?

If interested, here's my Biden-as-Drake meme version of that:

https://___flip.com/i/7zucb6

Posted by: The_Hoser at September 20, 2023 04:38 PM (N66D6)

170 Why does Iran hate America?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (Gf3mx)

Dave Smith does a real good rant on the whole "they hate us because of our freedom" trope that was pushed for decades by the neocons.

No, they mostly hate us because we go over there and kill a bunch of them. One can say "well they killed a bunch of us first," but that's not really true.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:38 PM (d0uT7)

171 Now that's diplomacy and negotiations!

Senator John Fetterman
@SenFettermanPA
If those jagoffs in the House stop trying to shut our government down, and fully support Ukraine, then I will save democracy by wearing a suit on the Senate floor next week.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:38 PM (FVME7)

172 I'm just hyper isolationist these days. I don't care what happens in these third world shitholes, as long as they don't come over here.

If they come over here, we kill them. And go back to not caring what they do.

My assumption though, is that it's generally true that people are people everywhere, with whatever modifications there are, it's none of my business how they conduct themselves. Including whether they hate me or not.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:35 PM (d0uT7)
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I agree. I want the foreign adventurism to end. That will have consequences - on the USD as the reserve and settlement currency, for example - but so be it.

But if it does come to war, I will not worry about whether the man on the street in the enemy country actually hates me or not. He might or he might not, but his state's policy does and is at war with me.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:39 PM (t0OGg)

173 Kickbacks a comin', Boss!

R A W S A L E R T S @rawsalerts 39m
🚨#BREAKING: The Biden administration has announced that it’s providing $600 million in funding to produce new at-home COVID-19 tests and is reintroducing free at-home COVID tests for Americans.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 20, 2023 04:39 PM (krqg6)

174 Muslim brotherhood has more than their nose under our tent

Posted by: Skip at September 20, 2023 04:39 PM (fwDg9)

175 OT Breaking. Alexandra Breckinridge is teh hawt.
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:33 PM (GwxCX)

Who is Alexandra Breckinridge? In the picture posted she looks very attractive and also that she might cut your nose-or some other bodily part-if you said something she disagreed with.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2023 04:40 PM (RSbhh)

176 I wonder if the Iranians are giving the cartels any ideas?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2023 04:40 PM (2YtOq)

177 >>>My assumption though, is that it's generally true that people are people everywhere, with whatever modifications there are, it's none of my business how they conduct themselves. Including whether they hate me or not.

Posted by: BurtTC
----------------------

If you know that they are actively plotting to kill you do you wait?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 04:40 PM (7fmC8)

178 171 Now that's diplomacy and negotiations!

Senator John Fetterman
@SenFettermanPA
If those jagoffs in the House stop trying to shut our government down, and fully support Ukraine, then I will save democracy by wearing a suit on the Senate floor next week.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:38 PM (FVME7)

Reminder. In a free and fair election, this thing beat a smooth-talking doctor.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 20, 2023 04:40 PM (KbCG3)

179 Can Joe help it if anonymous strangers keep wiring money to his twenty shell companies?
Posted by: t-bird

Most families share ownership in dozens of shell companies that serve no commercial purchase.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 20, 2023 04:40 PM (ga8qR)

180 I wonder if the Iranians are giving the cartels any ideas?
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2023 04:40 PM (2YtOq)
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The cartels have other active and continuous mechanism to access US taxpayer dollars.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:41 PM (t0OGg)

181 "A business always takes care of its revenue-producing divisions first."

-------------------------------------

Wait, run that by us again?

Posted by: Bud Light Marketing Division at September 20, 2023 04:41 PM (a/dOO)

182 Money is funnable

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 20, 2023 04:41 PM (T5lnw)

183 JUST IN - Video platform Rumble rejects [calls] to demonetize Russell Brand's channel after being pressured by UK officials.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 20, 2023 04:30 PM (krqg6)

That's good, but as obvious and expected as it was that everyone else would cancel him, it was just as obvious and expected that Rumble will not.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:41 PM (d0uT7)

184 Why do that when they can extract the jizya from the infidel instead?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Free housing in great hotels, food, cash...what part of jizya doesn't the EU and State Dept understand?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 20, 2023 04:41 PM (MHJbI)

185 @SenFettermanPA
If those jagoffs in the House stop trying to shut our government down, and fully support Ukraine, then I will save democracy by wearing a suit on the Senate floor next week.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:38 PM (FVME7)
++++
I have a genuine question. Is this "@SenFettermanPA" account actually Fetterman's, or is it a troll/comedy account?

If it's actually his, I wonder who runs it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:41 PM (t0OGg)

186 Who is Alexandra Breckinridge? In the picture posted she looks very attractive and also that she might cut your nose-or some other bodily part-if you said something she disagreed with.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2023 04:40 PM

She's on a show called Virgin River. My wife watches it, it's very wholesome. And her other pics are very classy. She's very pretty.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (GwxCX)

187 181 "A business always takes care of its revenue-producing divisions first."

-------------------------------------

Wait, run that by us again?
Posted by: Bud Light Marketing Division

-----------------------------------------

Can I copy off your test?

Posted by: Target at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (a/dOO)

188 Or not. I wonder if it's "Eurodollars". Laundered, untaxable, U.S. dollars.
Posted by: t-bird at September 20, 2023 04:24 PM (e2onP)


It is great, the European central banks create euros, buy US Treasuries with them, then make loans based on the Treasuries to buy real stuff.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (xhaym)

189 If you know that they are actively plotting to kill you do you wait?
Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 04:40 PM (7fmC

No, but I've learned not to believe my government when they tell me they are.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (d0uT7)

190 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 16m
BREAKING: Saudis will ‘get’ nuclear weapon if Iran does first: crown prince

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (krqg6)

191 This busty brunette in a dress doesn't long for a nuclear-armed Iran, especially not at our expense:
https://is.gd/CtU7zo

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (t0OGg)

192 The cartels have other active and continuous mechanism to access US taxpayer dollars.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:41 PM (t0OGg)
-----

It may be a profit center they've yet to fully exploit.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (2YtOq)

193
I'm just hyper isolationist these days. I don't care what happens in these third world shitholes, as long as they don't come over here.

If they come over here, we kill them. And go back to not caring what they do.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:35 PM (d0uT7)


If they and their Eurotrash allies hate our guts so much, then there's no reason that we need to give them charity money, allow them to travel/emigrate here, or defend their little shit-hole countries.

They want a world without the US, we should seriously consider giving it to them.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2023 04:43 PM (n+4am)

194 Can I copy off your test?
Posted by: Target at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (a/dOO)
------------------------------

We're using the textbook we bought online from Gillette a few years ago.

Posted by: Bud Light Marketing Division at September 20, 2023 04:43 PM (a/dOO)

195 190 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 16m
BREAKING: Saudis will ‘get’ nuclear weapon if Iran does first: crown prince
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (krqg6)

Way to go Joe ! And they said Trump would cause WW3

Posted by: It's me donna at September 20, 2023 04:43 PM (bs+z0)

196 Irans is asshoe, but ... money was not US' and ...there is more behind this bidness.

Posted by: runner at September 20, 2023 04:43 PM (t459v)

197 Dave Smith does a real good rant on the whole "they hate us because of our freedom" trope that was pushed for decades by the neocons.


Gf and I were just talking about that the other day.

"They hate you for your freedom" was a classic.

Another good one was when they said they found the terrorist passports in the rubble after 9/11.

God, what a gullible, quasi-retarded people we are.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:43 PM (Gf3mx)

198 Money is funnable
Posted by: MAGA_Ken

Hookers and blow are very fun.
- Hunter

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 20, 2023 04:44 PM (ga8qR)

199 I have a genuine question. Is this "@SenFettermanPA" account actually Fetterman's, or is it a troll/comedy account?

If it's actually his, I wonder who runs it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:41 PM (t0OGg)

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Someone who understands "jagoff" is used far too infrequently.

Posted by: The_Hoser at September 20, 2023 04:44 PM (N66D6)

200 >>>BREAKING: The Biden administration has announced that it’s providing $600 million in funding to produce new at-home COVID-19 tests and is reintroducing free at-home COVID tests for Americans.

Posted by: andycanuck
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Is was brought forward last night that the CDC has said that monoclonal antibodies are not affective treating the "new" Covid therefore it is withdrawn from the lists of available treatment.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 04:45 PM (7fmC8)

201 Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (GwxCX)

She's very pretty. I don't quite understand why all these sexy women have to look like they're bored out of their gourd or that they have deep smoldering irritation in order for them to appear sexy. Not that I spend much time looking at pictures of sexy men, but I prefer the ones that smile.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2023 04:45 PM (RSbhh)

202 Can I copy off your test?
Posted by: Target at September 20, 2023 04:42 PM (a/dOO)
------------------------------

We're using the textbook we bought online from Gillette a few years ago.
Posted by: Bud Light Marketing Division at September 20, 2023 04:43 PM

Us too!

Posted by: Dove Soap at September 20, 2023 04:45 PM (GwxCX)

203 No, they mostly hate us because we go over there and kill a bunch of them. One can say "well they killed a bunch of us first," but that's not really true.
Posted by: BurtTC

Some people don't read history.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 20, 2023 04:45 PM (MHJbI)

204 Doh! Should have scrolled down one more!

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper
BREAKING: If Iran gets nuclear weapon, we will get it too, Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman says in an interview with Fox News

https://tinyurl.com/bdhczt5x
14 seconds

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 20, 2023 04:45 PM (krqg6)

205 But if it does come to war, I will not worry about whether the man on the street in the enemy country actually hates me or not. He might or he might not, but his state's policy does and is at war with me.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:39 PM (t0OGg)

Agreed, that's always been the case, I think. Lots of good people fought for Germany and Japan in WWII.

That's just how it is. Ever since then though, I don't believe at all when our government says "we have to invade because they hate us."

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:46 PM (d0uT7)

206 Why does Iran hate America?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:27 PM (Gf3mx)


Well, now it probably is to cover their self-crippled economy and failures of their totalitarian societies, but it might have started with the coup that placed the Shah back in power and the support given him and his secret police. And the funds provided to Iraq by the Western states during the Iran Iraq war.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 20, 2023 04:46 PM (xhaym)

207 She's very pretty. I don't quite understand why all these sexy women have to look like they're bored out of their gourd or that they have deep smoldering irritation in order for them to appear sexy. Not that I spend much time looking at pictures of sexy men, but I prefer the ones that smile.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2023 04:45 PM

Yes, most other pics she's smiling and very pretty and she also looks natural and is not the weight of a set of keys.

Posted by: Dove Soap at September 20, 2023 04:46 PM (GwxCX)

208 159 OT Breaking. Alexandra Breckinridge is teh hawt.
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:33 PM (GwxCX)
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Fact Check: True
https://is.gd/cvbPhP
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:34 PM (t0OGg)

———-

Based on my personal experience of decades the hotter a woman gets my chances lower to 0%.

Any woman above a 3 is pretty much out of my league.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 20, 2023 04:46 PM (T5lnw)

209 Why does Iran hate America?

I suspect what you perceive as "hate" isn't genuine hate.

You have the Dark Tetrad, where such leaders are psychopaths, Machiavellians, narcissists and sadists. Because they are inherently evil they enact policies that are destructive and lead to failure.

Since they reject criticism and fear reprisal, they will point to some common boogeyman scapegoat to be blamed for all the dysfunction. That is why Rich Men North of Richmond is despised because it reveals that the scapegoat, "Capitalism", is not the problem, but the politicians themselves.

Castro did this very same thing as Iran - their failures are blamed on some boogeyman.

Most people are best characterized by the Mimetic Theory which claims that most people don't know what they desire or despise unless some influencer tells them what to value or to hate.

You have a natural case where the failed leaders scapegoat others and propagandize the population into believing them. The public gladly and uncritically accepts the premise because they are stupid sheeple.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 20, 2023 04:46 PM (p8A+W)

210 Hey, they want Iran to get nukes, only fair Saudi Arabia gets em too.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at September 20, 2023 04:46 PM (z8X7p)

211 Off soap sock!

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 04:46 PM (GwxCX)

212 >>> 178 171 Now that's diplomacy and negotiations!

Senator John Fetterman
@SenFettermanPA
If those jagoffs in the House stop trying to shut our government down, and fully support Ukraine, then I will save democracy by wearing a suit on the Senate floor next week.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:38 PM (FVME7)

Reminder. In a free and fair election, this thing beat a smooth-talking doctor.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 20, 2023 04:40 PM (KbCG3)

Oz wasn't a Quality Candidate.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 20, 2023 04:47 PM (llON8)

213 No, they mostly hate us because we go over there and kill a bunch of them. One can say "well they killed a bunch of us first," but that's not really true.
Posted by: BurtTC

Some people don't read history.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 20, 2023 04:45 PM (MHJbI)
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They hate us because they lack the power to force us to convert to their way of life and they can't kill us.

They *seethe* with rage that we are beyond their direct influence.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:47 PM (YIVH2)

214 If they and their Eurotrash allies hate our guts so much, then there's no reason that we need to give them charity money, allow them to travel/emigrate here, or defend their little shit-hole countries.

They want a world without the US, we should seriously consider giving it to them.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2023 04:43 PM (n+4am)

Yes and yes.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:48 PM (d0uT7)

215 Based on my personal experience of decades the hotter a woman gets my chances lower to 0%.

Any woman above a 3 is pretty much out of my league.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 20, 2023 04:46 PM (T5lnw)
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Yes, of course. This is the difference between "types of ladies I like to look at, all other things being equal" and the actual best type of lady.

Type of lady I like to look at: Pretty in the face, slender and leggy with modest to prominent bust.
Best type of lady: one that wants something to do with me.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:48 PM (t0OGg)

216 Oz wasn't a Quality Candidate.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 20, 2023 04:47 PM (llON

Garble.. righ yu er ..

Posted by: Fetterman at September 20, 2023 04:48 PM (bs+z0)

217 when I was a kid working at Antonio's Flying Pizza in Houston circa 1972 there were a few 'Persians' working there.
Later in the early 80s I was at UH and there a whole lot of Arabs of many stripes. Lebanese from opposites of the Green Line got along with each other and I noticed a group switched back and forth between Palis and Jordanians...just like the Iranians and Iraqis from 10 years earlier calling theyselves Persians.

Posted by: DanMan at September 20, 2023 04:49 PM (8uzBS)

218 They *seethe* with rage that we are beyond their direct influence.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 04:47 PM (YIVH2)

You sure about that? You sure it doesn't have something to do with us (I'm including the British here) being over there, stealing their oil and killing their people for the last hundred years or so?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:49 PM (d0uT7)

219 Iran getting the nuke? Meh. The USA is about 90% there to a totalitarian state anyway so what do I care? Two crazed totalitarian states.

I’ll let God sort it out.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 20, 2023 04:50 PM (T5lnw)

220 money, it's going to Qatar to manage and use solely for humanitarian purposes

/

Remember the person who wrote this gets the same vote you do. And his also counts.
Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:21 PM (50VnI)

Even if this were true, which we have admitted it isn't, that still would free 6 billion now going for humanitarian purposes for use in whatever Iran wanted.

Same way the lottery money is a scam. Every dime added by the lottery is a dime deducted from what the state pays in.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 20, 2023 04:50 PM (eoQWY)

221 It's only Wednesday and the avalanche of BS coming out of the Biden Administration is so thick that I need a break just to hreathe.

G-d help America.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at September 20, 2023 04:50 PM (I6zrf)

222 Since they reject criticism and fear reprisal, they will point to some common boogeyman scapegoat to be blamed for all the dysfunction.


Do you think there would be any foundation for their irrational scapegoating of America?

I mean have we ever done anything like destabilize their leadership or fund neighboring countries at war with them?

Do they have any legitimate reason to believe that America may not be a benevolent hegemony?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 20, 2023 04:50 PM (Gf3mx)

223
No, they mostly hate us because we go over there and kill a bunch of them. One can say "well they killed a bunch of us first," but that's not really true.
Posted by: BurtTC


Most of the mohammedans we killed were trying to kill other mohammedans. Virtually every war we've fought in the last 50 years has been trying to defend mohammedans from themselves.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2023 04:50 PM (n+4am)

224 I mean, I don't know about anyone else, but if you don't want to convert to my religion, I can shrug that off, but if you kill my family and steal my land and property, I'm not going to be very happy about it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:51 PM (d0uT7)

225 >>>206 Why does Iran hate America?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
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They are muslim. Muslim is the theology of theft and domination. It is only natural for them to hate the best of what they don't have. We are antithetical to them.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 04:51 PM (7fmC8)

226 221 It's only Wednesday and the avalanche of BS coming out of the Biden Administration is so thick that I need a break just to hreathe.

G-d help America.
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at September 20, 2023 04:50 PM (I6zrf)

You mean like Biden's new "climate crisis" Army to accelerate the new green take over ?

Posted by: It's me donna at September 20, 2023 04:52 PM (bs+z0)

227 I doubt real Fetterman would threaten wearing a suit

Posted by: Skip at September 20, 2023 04:52 PM (fwDg9)

228 The Biden Administration thinks we can trust Iran.

Posted by: redridinghood at September 20, 2023 04:52 PM (NpAcC)

229 No, they mostly hate us because we go over there and kill a bunch of them. One can say "well they killed a bunch of us first," but that's not really true.

The West has for over a century meddled into the affairs of Persia (eg Balfour Declaration) with reckless disregard for the culture, traditions or family relations.

The West has easily earned the hate because, in a sense, the feckless globalists see themselves as masters of the universe who can do no wrong and must form the world into their own image.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 20, 2023 04:52 PM (p8A+W)

230 She's very pretty. I don't quite understand why all these sexy women have to look like they're bored out of their gourd or that they have deep smoldering irritation in order for them to appear sexy. Not that I spend much time looking at pictures of sexy men, but I prefer the ones that smile.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 20, 2023 04:45 PM

Yes, most other pics she's smiling and very pretty and she also looks natural and is not the weight of a set of keys.
Posted by: Dove Soap at September 20, 2023 04:46 PM (GwxCX)

I think they are going for 'Sultry' and falling flat at it.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 20, 2023 04:52 PM (eoQWY)

231 Muslims are determined to rule the planet

Posted by: Skip at September 20, 2023 04:53 PM (fwDg9)

232 227 I doubt real Fetterman would threaten wearing a suit
Posted by: Skip at September 20, 2023 04:52 PM (fwDg9)

Not and dress himself... Buttons and Zippers are out of his capabilities

Posted by: It's me donna at September 20, 2023 04:53 PM (bs+z0)

233 The joke is on Iran because that 6 billion dollars is only worth 3 billion in Biden bucks.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 20, 2023 04:53 PM (T5lnw)

234 I had a "NUKE IRAN" t-shirt back during the hostage crisis times

Posted by: DB - Ich bin ein Ballooner at September 20, 2023 04:53 PM (geLO8)

235 I used to work for a law firm. One of the attorneys did business in Turkey, he said that Muslim countries, in particular, are very difficult to trust and deal with. Their word is definitely not their bond.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at September 20, 2023 04:53 PM (ZlKnD)

236 If we didn't go over there and develop their oil fields they would still be living in tents and shitting in the sand - sultans and all.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 04:53 PM (7fmC8)

237 Fully support Ukraine? No dear retarded senator. What you mean is fully support Zelensky’s
Mafia and Boeing.

Posted by: Montec at September 20, 2023 04:54 PM (50VnI)

238 I doubt real Fetterman would threaten wearing a suit
Posted by: Skip at September 20, 2023 04:52 PM (fwDg9)


I suspect Fetterman can't be kept in a suit, he keeps taking off the tie and long pants.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 20, 2023 04:54 PM (xhaym)

239 Senator John Fetterman
@SenFettermanPA
·
5h
If those jagoffs in the House stop trying to shut our government down, and fully support Ukraine, then I will save democracy by wearing a suit on the Senate floor next week.
🫃🏼💉🇺🇦Hollaria Briden, Esq. & Ally
@HollyBriden

Tie your shoes on camera.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 20, 2023 04:54 PM (TGPs7)

240 The View addresses gun control in song!

https://tinyurl.com/2hsu9ysc

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:55 PM (FVME7)

241 224 I mean, I don't know about anyone else, but if you don't want to convert to my religion, I can shrug that off, but if you kill my family and steal my land and property, I'm not going to be very happy about it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:51 PM (d0uT7)

My reflexive patriotism is one of my bigger regrets. As I get older, I realize that I was wrong on many things.

And not that I have much sympathy for terrorists, but I also don't think they hate us for our freedom.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 20, 2023 04:55 PM (KbCG3)

242 240 The View addresses gun control in song!

https://tinyurl.com/2hsu9ysc
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:55 PM (FVME7)

Nope.. Not gonna look

Posted by: It's me donna at September 20, 2023 04:55 PM (bs+z0)

243 I doubt real Fetterman would threaten wearing a suit
Posted by: Skip at September 20, 2023 04:52 PM (fwDg9)
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I tried to check and although I can't see "X" because I don't have an account, that was his handle on Twitter.

If it is his account, someone needs to take the keys away.

Posted by: bluebell at September 20, 2023 04:55 PM (pTb/Z)

244 I used to work for a law firm. One of the attorneys did business in Turkey, he said that Muslim countries, in particular, are very difficult to trust and deal with. Their word is definitely not their bond.
Posted by: Midnight Rambler at September 20, 2023 04:53 PM (ZlKnD)

——-

Just like those videos of the Turkish ice cream man constantly tricking you out of your ice cream, BAD!

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 20, 2023 04:55 PM (T5lnw)

245 Nope.. Not gonna look
Posted by: It's me donna at September 20, 2023 04:55 PM (bs+z0)

=====

Beat me to it, Donna!

Posted by: Jordan61 at September 20, 2023 04:57 PM (DRSnL)

246 No, they mostly hate us because we go over there and kill a bunch of them. One can say "well they killed a bunch of us first," but that's not really true.

The West has for over a century meddled into the affairs of Persia (eg Balfour Declaration) with reckless disregard for the culture, traditions or family relations.

The West has easily earned the hate because, in a sense, the feckless globalists see themselves as masters of the universe who can do no wrong and must form the world into their own image.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 20, 2023 04:52 PM (p8A+W)

Can't see how Balflour has much to do with Persia. Now British and later US oil interests and propping up the Shah, sure.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 20, 2023 04:57 PM (eoQWY)

247 This is the Kalorama Klown Show...Obama's minions have always hated Israel, and they are desperate to bolster Iran as a counter to Israel's military domination of the region.

Biden hates Israel too, so he is happy to go along for the ride.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 20, 2023 04:57 PM (lQONO)

248 I suspect Fetterman can't be kept in a suit, he keeps taking off the tie and long pants.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 20, 2023 04:54 PM (xhaym)

——-

Can’t he just dress in a black T shirt, green sport coat and green pants with Dr Martins?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 20, 2023 04:57 PM (T5lnw)

249 The West has easily earned the hate because, in a sense, the feckless globalists see themselves as masters of the universe who can do no wrong and must form the world into their own image.

Posted by: Reuben Hick
----------------------------

Harken back to the 18th century Mediterranean.
Why were they kidnapping Europeans, raping and selling them into slavery?

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 04:58 PM (7fmC8)

250 https://tinyurl.com/2hsu9ysc
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:55 PM (FVME7)
*****
I heard enoooouuugh. 🙉

Posted by: redridinghood at September 20, 2023 04:58 PM (NpAcC)

251 Of could find my old photo album there is a picture of a bedsheet hanging out a window
Nuke Iran when the embassy was taken over

We got into some trouble for that

Posted by: Skip at September 20, 2023 04:58 PM (fwDg9)

252 It’s all pretty terrifying

Posted by: Gonzotx at September 20, 2023 04:59 PM (MwHgU)

253 Why do TV talking heads think that song is the best approach?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 20, 2023 04:59 PM (t0OGg)

254 It's the end of the world as we know it!

Rob Reiner
@robreiner
Not Hyperbole. If Trump returns to the White House, it will be the end of American Democracy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 04:59 PM (FVME7)

255 Most of the mohammedans we killed were trying to kill other mohammedans. Virtually every war we've fought in the last 50 years has been trying to defend mohammedans from themselves.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2023 04:50 PM (n+4am)

If by defend mohammedans you mean keep the Wahabist princes, and before that the Shah in power so we could keep taking their oil, then yeah.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:59 PM (BEaHJ)

256 If those jagoffs in the House stop trying to shut our government down, and fully support Ukraine, then I will save democracy by wearing a suit on the Senate floor next week.

I love how well the suit fits Republicans that unless they capitulate to every demand of the Left, that the Republicans are the destroyers of society.

House should be able to freely create a budget and if the Senate or the Executive doesn't like that, then the blame is on the vetoer if they don't approve.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 20, 2023 04:59 PM (p8A+W)

257 Not Hyperbole. If Trump returns to the White House, it will be the end of American Democracy.


I love how they make these claims and refuse to show their work.

It is 100% projection. Biden "won" only because the Democratic principle of free elections was subverted by fraud and ballot stuffing.

They ended "American Democracy" when they ended free elections.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 20, 2023 05:01 PM (p8A+W)

258 Chuck Ross
@ChuckRossDC

Judge denies Hunter Biden's request to do his court hearing by video.

Posted by: redridinghood at September 20, 2023 05:02 PM (NpAcC)

259 To save the planet, the media is asking if paper wine bottles are the future (they're not)

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Fancy restaurants will let you sniff the paperclip before you buy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 05:02 PM (FVME7)

260
Judge denies Hunter Biden's request to do his court hearing by video.
Posted by: redridinghood at September 20, 2023 05:02 PM (NpAcC)

I have to say I'm shocked

Posted by: It's me donna at September 20, 2023 05:02 PM (bs+z0)

261 Nope.. Not gonna look
Posted by: It's me donna at September 20, 2023 04:55 PM (bs+z0)

=====

Beat me to it, Donna!
Posted by: Jordan61 at September 20, 2023 04:57 PM

Same, No Effing way.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 20, 2023 05:03 PM (GwxCX)

262 Do you want a nuclear armed Saudi Arabia?
Because this is how you get a nuclear armed Saudi Arabia?

Posted by: DaveA at September 20, 2023 05:03 PM (FhXTo)

263 Not Hyperbole. If Trump returns to the White House, it will be the end of American Democracy.


Because throwing your political opposition into prison and dragging your chief opponent through a corrupt Soviet-styled persecution screams "American Democracy"!

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 20, 2023 05:03 PM (p8A+W)

264 Do you want a nuclear armed Saudi Arabia?
Because this is how you get a nuclear armed Saudi Arabia?


I'm more worried about a nuclear armed Democratic Party.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 20, 2023 05:03 PM (p8A+W)

265 re 185: yep, it's his account.

he's also pissed off about this:

A federal judge has declared illegal a revised version of the DACA program, which prevents the deportation of hundreds of thousands of immigrants brought to the U.S. as children. https://apnews.com

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 20, 2023 05:04 PM (B1FKF)

266 Brigitte Gabriel is Lebanese, brave and strong. I met her long time back, and I find our local Lebanese to be shrewd businessfolk and generous philanthropists.

Posted by: Eromero at September 20, 2023 05:05 PM (NxC5+)

267 Israel said there will be no nuclear Iran.
I'm comfortable with that.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 20, 2023 05:05 PM (7fmC8)

268 Nood Russell Brand

Posted by: In Before Guy at September 20, 2023 05:07 PM (azYCi)

269
BUYING their oil. Not taking.

Sure, The West negotiated some pretty sweet oil deals, but I can't think of any time where The West just outright took the oil without payment, even if that payment was very much to our advantage. Even the Limeys bought oil rather than just stole it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2023 05:07 PM (n+4am)

270 If by defend mohammedans you mean keep the Wahabist princes, and before that the Shah in power so we could keep taking their oil, then yeah.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 04:59 PM (BEaHJ)
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Islam has been at war with non-Muslims for 1400 years. They are still pissed off they were turned back at the Gates of Vienna in 1683. They also hate the fact they were kicked out of Spain two hundred years before that.

Us meddling in their affairs is small potatoes by comparison to the amount of warfare they've waged against the rest of their neighbors for centuries.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 05:07 PM (YIVH2)

271 idiots like reiner really seems to believe that those who disagree with them are fascists.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 20, 2023 05:08 PM (B1FKF)

272 My reflexive patriotism is one of my bigger regrets. As I get older, I realize that I was wrong on many things.

And not that I have much sympathy for terrorists, but I also don't think they hate us for our freedom.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 20, 2023 04:55 PM (KbCG3)

I think we were on the right track, when Trump started signing treaties with various nations over there. I know that's not the end of it, but possibly a start. Seems to me the way to changing the world is more likely to succeed when the U.S. declares itself no longer interested in meddling in the internal affairs (or border squabbles) of other nations.

Won't solve everything, but it's a start.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 05:08 PM (cZVCx)

273
I doubt real Fetterman would threaten wearing a suit
Posted by: Skip

Not and dress himself... Buttons and Zippers are out of his capabilities
Posted by: It's me donna


Schumer should hire a gentleman's gentleman for him.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 20, 2023 05:09 PM (63Dwl)

274 Us meddling in their affairs is small potatoes by comparison to the amount of warfare they've waged against the rest of their neighbors for centuries.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 20, 2023 05:07 PM (YIVH2)

I don't care.

I don't know why anyone in this country should.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2023 05:09 PM (cZVCx)

275 Ear witness to the F35 crash.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tAoUfHwtGVc

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 05:09 PM (FVME7)

276 Nood Alphabet

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 20, 2023 05:10 PM (MHJbI)

277 idiots like reiner really seems to believe that those who disagree with them are fascists.
Posted by: gnats local 678

If they knew what they were talking about, they'd agree with him.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 20, 2023 05:11 PM (FVME7)

278 RNC Research @RNCResearch
Biden gets very confused trying to figure out how to work his earpiece
https://tinyurl.com/2s6apsas
1:01 minutes
[Translation earpiece I assume, for Lula presser -- fellow election fraudster.]

RNC Research @RNCResearch
Biden salutes the audience and shuffles off stage, leaving Brazil's president behind
https://tinyurl.com/4mtbz835
13 seconds

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 20, 2023 05:12 PM (krqg6)

279
Sure, The West negotiated some pretty sweet oil deals, but I can't think of any time where The West just outright took the oil without payment, even if that payment was very much to our advantage. Even the Limeys bought oil rather than just stole it.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2023 05:07 PM (n+4am)

———

Yes, bought oil with fiat money.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 20, 2023 05:14 PM (WQshf)

280 I'm actually OK with giving Iran several billion dollars. Heck, I say we should give them that value in nukes.

As long as it's launched from a sub or from Wyoming. I would also accept B-52s.

Posted by: GWB at September 20, 2023 05:29 PM (M+Nrs)

281 Is that Iranian guy flying commercial anywhere? Cuz that turban would look fabulous with my cheetah print miniskirt.

Posted by: Sam Brinton at September 20, 2023 05:31 PM (hqVaF)

282 Barack Hussein Obama's first attempt to re-establish Islamic ransom payments was Maersk Alabama. O tried to tie SEAL team hands with insane ROE, but they still managed to take out the jihadists, blowing Obama's attempt to negotiate a ransomed release (at my link).

Obama would have many more chances to undo the principle behind America's first foreign war (that we would not pay ransom to Islamic jihadists), and he has succeeded many times, most notably with Iran and Afghanistan.

It was no accident that we left 15,000 civilians behind in Afghanistan. And the billions we have been paying to the Taliban ever since? Ransom money straight-up, though neither side is announcing it.

Obama (our actual current president) is not just a Muslim, he is an al Qaeda Muslim, an actual member of the Muslim Brotherhood (the parent organization of al Qaeda).

We were told that by MB itself when Obama, after had spending his first 4 years installing MB's Morsi as president of Egypt, abandoned Morsi when a large majority of the Egyptian people rose up against him in the biggest public protest in human history.

Furious at this betrayal, MB exposed Obama, and our Dem-controlled press covered it up.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at September 20, 2023 06:48 PM (wh9C3)

283 As they did with Tripoli and the Barberry Pirates who took ship crews hostage and held them for Ransome until the Marines went in and Kicked butts with them as long as Bide the Blunder gives in they will continue to do so what's ended is for Trump to return and start kicking Iran's Backside

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at September 21, 2023 01:23 AM (FLiOE)

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