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Whistleblower: The CIA's Initial Determination of the Origins of Covid Was That It Had Escaped from a Chinese Lab, But They Offered Their Experts a Big Cash Reward to Change Their Report
The Energy Department believes it came from a lab, as does the FBI. The CIA claims it can't tell either way. Except... A whistleblower says they did at first determine covid-19 came from a lab. Rather like the authors of the "Proximal Origins" hoax paper, first they did believe that covid was manufactured in a lab, before suddenly changing their minds. And for the same reason, too -- money.
A CIA whistleblower told Congress that the agency offered officials on a team investigating COVID-19 origins "significant monetary incentive" to change their positions, from that it originated out of a leak from the Wuhan lab to "unable to determine" the origins, Fox News Digital has learned. Fox News Digital obtained letters House Coronavirus Subcommittee Chairman Brad Wenstrup and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Turner sent to the CIA and a former official. "The Select Committee on the Coronavirus Pandemic and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence have received new and concerning whistleblower testimony regarding the Agency's investigation into the origins of COVID-19," Wenstrup and Turner wrote to CIA Director William Burns Tuesday. "A multi-decade, senior-level, current Agency officer has come forward to provide information to the Committees regarding the Agency's analysis into the origins of COVID-19," they wrote. The whistleblower told Congress that the CIA assigned seven officers to a COVID Discovery Team, which consisted of "multi-disciplinary and experienced officers with significant scientific expertise." "According to the whistleblower, at the end of its review, six of the seven members of the Team believed that intelligence and science were sufficient to make a low confidence assessment that COVID-19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China," Wenstrup and Turner wrote. "The seventh member of the Team, who also happened to be the most senior, was the one officer to believe COVID-19 originated through zoonosis."If the CIA rigged this is as part of its disinformation operation on the US to boot Trump out of office -- people need to go to prison, and people need to be hanged for treason and perpetrating a coup.
"The whistleblower further contends that to come to the eventual public determination of uncertainty, the other six members were given a significant monetary incentive to change their position," they said. Wenstrup and Turner said the allegations come from "a seemingly credible source," and requires the committees to conduct further oversight of "how the CIA handled its internal investigation into the origins of COVID-19."
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: GF at September 12, 2023 05:42 PM (aJxr8)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at September 12, 2023 05:43 PM (ppBhU)
Dunno, wouldn't be easier to immediately claim that Trump was funding the lab and it leaked from there?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 12, 2023 05:44 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 12, 2023 05:44 PM (Lyq2C)
I can't keep track of all of my conspiracy theories any more...
Posted by: lin-duh at September 12, 2023 05:45 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at September 12, 2023 05:45 PM (ppBhU)
But I do appreciate the reporting on it.
Posted by: brak at September 12, 2023 05:46 PM (BouGb)
Posted by: huerfano at September 12, 2023 05:47 PM (7zEAH)
Posted by: KJP is a race and gender swapped Side Show Bob at September 12, 2023 05:47 PM (QpUKb)
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 12, 2023 05:47 PM (krqg6)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2023 05:48 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: lin-duh at September 12, 2023 05:48 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 12, 2023 05:48 PM (aQy7p)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 12, 2023 05:48 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2023 05:49 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: Heirloominati at September 12, 2023 05:50 PM (CtJ/Z)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2023 05:50 PM (ZLI7S)
So we can have an army, navy, Air Force, and post offices and bankruptcy courts. No Department of Commerce, Energy, Education, FBI or CIA.
The Deep state agencies, the Administrative State, needs to be defunded and dismantled. All of it.
Posted by: Czech Chick at September 12, 2023 05:50 PM (0rsFX)
Posted by: fd at September 12, 2023 05:50 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2023 05:51 PM (RIvkX)
And here I thought my latest beer was just enough to put me over the top.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 12, 2023 05:51 PM (uSHSS)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 12, 2023 05:51 PM (isNL8)
IF?
It was pretty obvious that the entire thing was timed to wreck the Economy and prevent Trump from gaining a 2nd Term.
They should all swing.
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 05:51 PM (D1vg3)
Posted by: Pangolins at September 12, 2023 05:51 PM (yJ432)
Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 12, 2023 05:51 PM (MeG8a)
Nothing to see here
Just our CIA trying to pay people to
Cover up the Wuhan lab leak
It’s almost as if the CIA was in on the 2020 rigging
Almost… https://tinyurl.com/mtur7yc2
[NY Post at the link]
DC_Draino @DC_Draino 2h
We now know Fauci funded gain-of-function in Wuhan
CIA paid experts to deny Covid leaked from Wuhan
It leaked during an election year & was used to justify mass mail-in ballots
Pfizer made billions from C19 vaccines after Biden forced Americans to be injected against our will
Trump was overthrown, kicked off social media, and indicted
The only people being arrested are those who have tried to stop the election fraud
It’s become painfully clear that the greatest enemy of the American people is our own gov’t
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at September 12, 2023 05:51 PM (krqg6)
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 12, 2023 05:52 PM (pohLc)
I would hope that their number would prove sufficient.
Should we ever need them.
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (D1vg3)
Posted by: Kratwurst at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (nIRE6)
Posted by: lin-duh at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (UUBmN)
Remember, we also were funding bio labs in Ukraine and Kazakstan among other places and Hunter Biden was invested in a company doing virus mapping that was getting government contracts to do the work.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (t7Lch)
Posted by: The CDC at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Czech Chick at September 12, 2023 05:50 PM (0rsFX)
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But what will we do with 1.8 million fat, lazy, surly, shiftless federal employees?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (RG6z4)
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (GKLAN)
The future of this country depends on whistle-blowers.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (enJYY)
Posted by: Cosda at September 12, 2023 05:54 PM (G7yCz)
Dunno, wouldn't be easier to immediately claim that Trump was funding the lab and it leaked from there?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 12, 2023 05:44 PM (IG4Id)
Trump owning something and NOT have his name on it in sold gold letters? Some things not even the Deep State can put over on people
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 05:54 PM (eoQWY)
No. Way!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 12, 2023 05:54 PM (17s+e)
Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2023 05:54 PM (RG6z4)
They didn't use pictures of the experts having sex with children to blackmail them? That's a silver lining, right?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at September 12, 2023 05:54 PM (z+89e)
The only difference is that we paid them to do it.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 12, 2023 05:55 PM (MeG8a)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2023 05:55 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 12, 2023 05:55 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: The Calmer, Cooler Shootin' and Dismemberin' at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (sv3hx)
Posted by: runner at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (z0aW4)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (RSbhh)
Remember, we also were funding bio labs in Ukraine and Kazakstan among other places and Hunter Biden was invested in a company doing virus mapping that was getting government contracts to do the work.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (ZLI7S)
The Get Trump wing was the Ukrainians and related clique in the State Department, Newland, Vindmann. He didn't buy their drive for war with Russia.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Weasel "
*******
Remind me why we have a dept of energy?
Posted by: Cosda at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (G7yCz)
Getting rid of Trump was just a bene.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (t7Lch)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (crcZ4)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Miklos, tzompantli fancier at September 12, 2023 05:57 PM (gjyF5)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2023 05:53
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Send them to Venezuela?
Posted by: olddog in mo at September 12, 2023 05:57 PM (ju2Fy)
Posted by: Facts at September 12, 2023 05:55 PM (UABIt)
Also, NATO needed a job once the USSR was gone. In a flash they were screwing things up in the Balkans.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 05:57 PM (eoQWY)
Along with those the perpetrated the 1/6 "white supremacist Insurrection", and those that ran the "Trump/Russia" PsyOp, and those that covered up all the election day frauds. (and a dozen other hangable treasonous/seditious actions)
Posted by: illiniwek at September 12, 2023 05:57 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at September 12, 2023 05:57 PM (g5svZ)
Anything really critical to the national defense could probably be handled as signals intelligence in the regular armed forces.
Posted by: Zek at September 12, 2023 05:57 PM (5FPX4)
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 05:57 PM (D1vg3)
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And the odds of that happening? Unless of course they decide to indict Trump for this.
Posted by: Eeyore at September 12, 2023 05:57 PM (brAQZ)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 12, 2023 05:58 PM (17s+e)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM
Did you mean sturmliest?
Posted by: zombie You-Know-Who at September 12, 2023 05:58 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2023 05:58 PM (fwDg9)
It would be sort of interesting to see a "crack Pope."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (RSbhh)
Have one right now. He certainly isn't inspired by any Catholic teaching.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 05:58 PM (eoQWY)
Don't get me wrong, they definitely wanted Trump gone. I just think their primary motive here was trying to hide the links between the US government and illegal funding of bio weapons in a CCP lab.
The CIA was deeply involved with Burisma and the oil and gas wars in Eastern Europe and Russia, too. Pretty sure this is a big reason they were protecting Biden. He's was their asset.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2023 05:58 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 05:58 PM (crcZ4)
Same with the FIB
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 12, 2023 05:59 PM (17s+e)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2023 05:59 PM (RIvkX)
Posted by: Czech Chick at September 12, 2023 05:50 PM (0rsFX)
And, yet, who will do it? Congress? LOL, why would they? Anyone who ever gets "elected" again will have zero motivation to shut it all down.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at September 12, 2023 05:59 PM (OX9vb)
Posted by: Cosda at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (G7yCz)
Have to slow roll any ideas of any energy independence somehow, comrade
Posted by: A dude in MI at September 12, 2023 05:59 PM (/6GbT)
Unless we even get a President with balls that's actually going to drain the swamp and not just tweet about it, we're fucked.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 05:59 PM (MwJ1s)
Posted by: The_Hoser at September 12, 2023 05:59 PM (N66D6)
The reason for the award will be designated. FOIA the records. They're releasable.
$10k and over, goes to OPM for a look. Under that, agency discretion.
Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at September 12, 2023 05:59 PM (GshMh)
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2023 06:00 PM (fwDg9)
crash the US Economy to make way for the Globalist re-set.
In an election year. Thereby eliminating Trump and their opposition.
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 06:00 PM (D1vg3)
Posted by: Cosda at September 12, 2023 05:56 PM (G7yCz)
The really shocking thing about this is that we DON'T have a department of silly walks.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at September 12, 2023 06:00 PM (pohLc)
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 05:59 PM
Narrator: We're f*cked.
Posted by: J. Random Commenter at September 12, 2023 06:01 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 12, 2023 06:01 PM (+M3be)
The fact that CIA, FBI, DHS and other intel agencies conspire to manipulate information every American sees, even including the highest levels of government officials, is no proof of a shadow government.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2023 06:01 PM (0N1h0)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2023 06:01 PM (Q4IgG)
Anything really critical to the national defense could probably be handled as signals intelligence in the regular armed forces.
Posted by: Zek at September 12, 2023 05:57 PM (5FPX4)
They also are terrible at their purported real job of spying on other countries. Look at the Uke war, nobody in the CIA was telling them that the Russians would fight back and well at that. I thought over things for about 3 seconds and had a better analysis that those idiots. Even the poor Ukraine conscripts are fighting damn hard, you don't get by either side in this war without a lot of effort.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:01 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: bored383 at September 12, 2023 06:01 PM (4Kzkx)
Posted by: Zek at September 12, 2023 06:02 PM (5FPX4)
Posted by: Cosda
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To conduct absurd test trips with EV's.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 12, 2023 06:02 PM (EvGP3)
Posted by: Xipe Totec"
*******
Dept of Defense is getting there. Soldiers in high heels and all.
Posted by: Cosda at September 12, 2023 06:02 PM (G7yCz)
>>I Fact Checked it.
From the Purveyor of the Finest in Military Malmisdisinformation.
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 06:02 PM (D1vg3)
The fact that CIA, FBI, DHS and other intel agencies conspire to manipulate information every American sees, even including the highest levels of government officials, is no proof of a shadow government.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2023 06:01 PM (0N1h0)
We don't have one, we have about seventeen. One shadow government would at least have a single plan rather than working against each other on about a ten things.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:02 PM (eoQWY)
Okay! This is an isolated case. It would NEVER happen anywhere else.
Posted by: RobertM at September 12, 2023 06:03 PM (IZxia)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 12, 2023 06:03 PM (17s+e)
Men of character sworn to the Constitution.
Men of integrity upholding the principles of law.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:03 PM (aBU8y)
Unfortunately, like Moses, he may lead us out of slavery, but not into the promised land.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 12, 2023 06:03 PM (isNL8)
They did though. They said “fund this or else.”
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:03 PM (crcZ4)
Posted by: B-Rox at September 12, 2023 06:04 PM (/vA3v)
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Suggest the only reason is money.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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Where is Count De Monet when we need him?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 12, 2023 06:04 PM (EvGP3)
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I'd request more creativity, but I think the Constitution does specify hanging for traitors.
Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2023 06:04 PM (Dnobf)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 12, 2023 06:04 PM (xcxpd)
I know he's not liked by conservative Catholics, and even though I'm not a Catholic I'm not a fan either. Word is, (from "Church Militant) he might ask for BP Strickland's resignation-when it seems to me that Strickland is as an actual shepherd of his flock, standing up for their truth that he perceives to be in the doctrine.
I just thought it might be mildly entertaining to see a 80 plus year old Pope high temporarily on an illegal substance-which is an unkind thought, I realize.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2023 06:04 PM (RSbhh)
crash the US Economy to make way for the Globalist re-set.
In an election year. Thereby eliminating Trump and their opposition.
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 06:00 PM (D1vg3)
Crashing the economy gives you an entirely new opposition, and since you are now in control everyone blames you.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:04 PM (eoQWY)
PLUS add the FBI.
They never have done a good job at really anything.
We looked the other way because post WW2, these were largely staffed with conservatives that hated Communism. But just like every government agency, they were largely a joke.
Now that you have the wrong people that wield all of this power, they're incompetent and dangerous.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (MwJ1s)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (aD39U)
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they came out with illustrations of aliens with REALLY big tits.
Posted by: Zek at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (5FPX4)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2023 05:53 PM (RIvkX)
The great North American Dignity Canal awaits
Posted by: Beartooth at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (azYCi)
PLUS add the FBI.
They never have done a good job at really anything.
We looked the other way because post WW2, these were largely staffed with conservatives that hated Communism. But just like every government agency, they were largely a joke.
Now that you have the wrong people that wield all of this power, they're incompetent and dangerous.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (MwJ1s)
Preach it!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (xcxpd)
"That said, I am a bit skeptical about the money part of this. How much money? How was this money offered? Where did it come from exactly? The whistleblower claims it was a “monetary incentive” which doesn’t sound like cash on the table. Was it just a promise of promotions if they reached the favored conclusion? It’s just hard to imagine how this would work."
Posted by: Xander Crews at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (MpOGS)
Have you met Joe Biden?
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 06:06 PM (D1vg3)
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"They're coming after you — and I'm just standing in their way," - DJT
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 12, 2023 06:06 PM (EvGP3)
Posted by: Camps at September 12, 2023 06:06 PM (TObdq)
Sounds awfully reasonable to me. I have no idea who even runs the CIA, I guess George Soros.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:06 PM (MwJ1s)
Posted by: Beartooth at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (azYCi)
where the living will envy the dead, and eat them.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 12, 2023 06:07 PM (aD39U)
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Chuck Schumer seemed to think otherwise.
Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2023 06:07 PM (Dnobf)
A parade of smiling pink haired, tattooed, multiple pierced, bolt-tongued, persons of questionable origin and gender wearing dog leashes ensued.
This is who they want to hire.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at September 12, 2023 06:07 PM (MeG8a)
Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 12, 2023 06:07 PM (5ki+c)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2023 06:07 PM (RSbhh)
Did you know the DoE developed a school bus sized nuclear power plant that operates 100% maintenance free for 50 years and can power a whole neighborhood?
Screw the water powered car, why aren't those things everywhere?
Posted by: bonhomme at September 12, 2023 06:07 PM (0N1h0)
Oh, never mind.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2023 05:59 PM (RIvkX)
To try the Nazi's the CIA didn't want to secretly set up with new lives in the USA?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 12, 2023 06:07 PM (xcxpd)
Wait...is that "wrong"? Well, I gota plead ignorance on this one. Cuz we do that all the time.
Posted by: CIA at September 12, 2023 06:07 PM (Qb66T)
Okay! This is an isolated case. It would NEVER happen anywhere else.
Posted by: RobertM at September 12, 2023 06:03 PM (IZxia)
They all are entirely swayed by money via the grant system and have for 50 years. It used to be a nudge to research what the government wanted and not a croak when I say croak operation.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:08 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Xander Crews at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (MpOGS)
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I you are remotely aware of what time it is, it's not at all hard to imagine how this would work.
Posted by: Frasier Crane at September 12, 2023 06:08 PM (bNf8H)
By all means, let us continue funding them." US House of Representatives.
Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Do Not Kill at September 12, 2023 06:08 PM (gxokI)
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 12, 2023 06:08 PM (Eeb9P)
Posted by: gnats local 678 at September 12, 2023 06:08 PM (B1FKF)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 12, 2023 06:09 PM (aD39U)
Yeah, that's a lotta hangings. And hundreds of cumulative years of research expertise, dead and gone.
Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.
I do "get" the idea that we need to study that which could be weaponized against us. But *those* labs should be on the most secure U.S. Military Bases, and not in a hostile, foreign country. And NEVER by hostile, foreign nationals.
And don't even get me started on the MSM role in all this shit. Talk about Hostile Enemies, that's THEM!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2023 06:09 PM (e6UQI)
I think the majority of right leaning Americans owe Ron Paul a lot of apologies.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:09 PM (crcZ4)
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at September 12, 2023 06:09 PM (f5Rhz)
Posted by: Schumer will hand wave it off as a distraction. at September 12, 2023 06:09 PM (ygnrC)
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 12, 2023 06:10 PM (cMXNt)
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2023 06:10 PM (fwDg9)
willowed:
The BIG story in (D) run Pennsylvania is that some murdering Brazilian - who never should have been allowed in this country - is doing donuts on the lawns of every Chester County, PA residents front lawn.
Choppers everywhere, 500 cops. Roads closed. Guy even stole a .22 rifle from the home of the place where his sister cleaned the home because - wait a minute - she was illegal too? Yup. Sorry dude, but you paid her to save a few bucks and she told her bro you gotta stash of weapons and now maybe you get shot? Tiny violin time.
This kinda shit ain't gonna play well in PA 2024 for the (D)ems. Unless 220% of Philadelphia residents turn out to vote.
Main stream reporting gone. NY Post only. Can you guess why?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 12, 2023 06:10 PM (enJYY)
Posted by: Zek at September 12, 2023 06:10 PM (5FPX4)
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 06:11 PM (D1vg3)
I think the majority of right leaning Americans owe Ron Paul a lot of apologies.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One
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+1
I would also add Pat Buchanan to that list. With the same charge of "anti-semitism" taking both of them out. Because they were against the war in Iraq, or something.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:11 PM (MwJ1s)
China unleashed this thing.
USA blew it into a fiasco to remove Trump. We are as much to blame.
All those "excess deaths" due to covid are on China. All the ones due to other causes are on the USA.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2023 06:11 PM (VxGDw)
Sounds awfully reasonable to me. I have no idea who even runs the CIA, I guess George Soros.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:06 PM (MwJ1s)
History shows that government spying and military spying are two different games and one organization can't do it properly. In Russia they did try for a while and soon the GRU had to be formed separate from the KGB.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:11 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at September 12, 2023 06:09 PM (f5Rhz)
VAERS is fake! Drink ice cold Remdesivir! Get vaxxed thrice and boosted fortnightly! BELIEVE IN SCIENCE™!
Posted by: He's talking CRAZY at September 12, 2023 06:11 PM (ygnrC)
Posted by: runner at September 12, 2023 06:11 PM (z0aW4)
Posted by: Facts
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Would it really surprise any of us that the spooks had a hand in 9/11?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (8Kr5w)
It probably has always been that way.
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They're full of paperclips.
Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (Dnobf)
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If they didn't, then tomorrow a blue sun will break over a yellow sky on the West Coast.
Most know or intuitively understand what happened with the 'Rona response. Some are happy about it and the rest don't matter.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (TWrMI)
"When it came to his son Hunter’s business dealings, and the inevitable stench they give off, President Joe Biden should have known better, writes columnist Jackie Calmes."
https://tinyurl.com/238bw4my
Jackie flatly says Trump is a crook, House Republicans are rabid dogs, and Biden is as honest as the day as long, but was stupid to "allow his calls to be played on speakerphone" to business associates of Hunter's. Right.
This is as slick a con-job as you're ever likely to see. Everything based on her opinion is praiseful of Biden and hateful of Trump. Everything remotely connected to fact is cloyingly anodyne. And the two are smoothly blended together to let the loyal Democrat conclude that good ole Joe is just a bumbler in this case, driven by love.
Nauseating.
Ps. I wonder how many Dem readers will wonder at the wealth of virulent allegations she recounts, given that they have never yet heard a single one of them?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (8Ta2Y)
Posted by: Zek at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (5FPX4)
Posted by: Oldcat
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Would you say we've done it "properly" with the CIA? I wouldn't.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (MwJ1s)
Rustling my raisins. Don't come a'knockin' if the carriage is a'rockin'.
Posted by: Bearnaise at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (sv3hx)
Unless we even get a President with balls that's actually going to drain the swamp and not just tweet about it, we're fucked.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 05:59 PM (MwJ1s)
No "President" will be able to do that.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2023 06:13 PM (llON8)
Posted by: Next2Nothing at September 12, 2023 06:13 PM (tA1/w)
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When Gannett bought (and functionally destroyed) 100 local newspapers, the handwriting was on the wall...writ large.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 12, 2023 06:13 PM (Sjyvq)
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2023 06:13 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2023 06:14 PM (RIvkX)
Rustling my raisins. Don't come a'knockin' if the carriage is a'rockin'.
Posted by: Bearnaise at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (sv3hx)
Don't get saucy with ME, Bearnaise!
Posted by: It's good to be the King! at September 12, 2023 06:14 PM (ygnrC)
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:11 PM (MwJ1s)
I remember noting that in the late Roman Republic the standard accusation against someone the system wanted to get rid of was "burn down the city" and "mass cancellation of debts". The lower classes feared fires since they lived packed in flammable buildings and the middle/upper middle class were the ones loaning things out. This got everyone on the side of the elites.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:14 PM (eoQWY)
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Herrrrrrrrrrrrres Jimmy. ....... "I'll make nuclear energy safe for America."
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:15 PM (aBU8y)
Posted by: illiniwek at September 12, 2023 06:15 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 12, 2023 06:15 PM (/7iym)
https://tinyurl.com/sb8b3ksn
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 12, 2023 06:15 PM (17s+e)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 12, 2023 06:14 PM (RIvkX)
Same one where a top level Dem operative and GOP operative at the Presidential level could get married.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:15 PM (eoQWY)
Nothing a Pizza Party won't smooth over.
Posted by: John Podesta at September 12, 2023 06:16 PM (D1vg3)
Posted by: Bete at September 12, 2023 06:16 PM (7klpr)
It probably has always been that way.
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They're full of paperclips.
Posted by: Methos at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (Dnobf)
You mean literal smuggled Nazis? Yes.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 12, 2023 06:16 PM (xcxpd)
Ps. I wonder how many Dem readers will wonder at the wealth of virulent allegations she recounts, given that they have never yet heard a single one of them?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune
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James Comey, at a press conference, actually read a laundry list of Hillary's crimes. Democrats didn't care. They will not respond to this either.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 12, 2023 06:17 PM (0v4YR)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (aD39U)
D-Lamp is laughing somewhere.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2023 06:17 PM (llON8)
Posted by: Next2Nothing at September 12, 2023 06:18 PM (tA1/w)
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (8Kr5w)
No. And saying so here a few years ago would have gotten one hounded out of the comments. That's how fast things change.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at September 12, 2023 06:18 PM (f5Rhz)
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:18 PM (8Kr5w)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September
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You & Count de Monet ought to have lunch.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:19 PM (aBU8y)
He's serious you guys!
It's not like China is some sort of authoritarian State where they can just close down their Ports of Entry / Departure.
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 06:19 PM (D1vg3)
Posted by: The CIA at September 12, 2023 06:19 PM (ptElO)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 12, 2023 06:20 PM (17s+e)
Posted by: runner at September 12, 2023 06:11 PM (z0aW4)
Good question. First we need to know when this allegedly happened. The articles Ace linked and articles linked therein have no date for the bribery that I can find in a minute of looking. Who, what, where, when, and why, you lazy-ass bastards.
Posted by: GL at September 12, 2023 06:20 PM (5fDan)
Posted by: LASue at September 12, 2023 06:20 PM (Ed8Zd)
What....Wait a minute I am do back to Representive Pelosi's Office in 15 minutes....... OK Got it .....
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 12, 2023 06:20 PM (EnsGU)
Posted by: Lizzy at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (Hkcdp)
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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That was like the easiest "Trump" thing to do, catch flak from the Deep State while winning over 99% of Americans. There was zero downside imo.
But he blinked, like he did with Covid, Russiagate, and everything else.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (MwJ1s)
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (MwJ1s)
The USSR purged out one or the other of the agencies a number of times when they went rogue or were seen to go rogue. One of the functions of the other type of intelligence is to detect the other going off the rails.
I'm just saying that if we did crush the CIA, we'd need a new spying agency to replace it rather than MIL-INT
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: SMH
It would surprise me. Just one hand...?
Posted by: t-bird at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (CaJIi)
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Would it really surprise any of us that the spooks had a hand in 9/11?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (8Kr5w)
We know there was an Eff.Bee.EYE agent (in Chicago iirc) who warned his superiors about "Asian" men learning to fly but not land jets, and who was told to shut up because racism. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find the see eye ay had suggested this plan to some "friends" in other countries, maybe even helped them get to the US.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (llON8)
Posted by: Weasel at September 12, 2023 05:54 PM (RG6z4)
That is an interesting question. Why indeed?
Posted by: Iris at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (NaH5I)
Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (bs+z0)
We funded it. At best. At worst? We created it.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (/cVLU)
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 12, 2023 06:22 PM (EnsGU)
They were staying in FBI funded hotel rooms.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:22 PM (/cVLU)
was officially sworn in as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency on March 19, 2021, making him the first career diplomat to serve as Director.
Before him it was our pal Moai Brennan.
Posted by: wth at September 12, 2023 06:22 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: ballistic at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (oXNqT)
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I really do not think China did it on purpose. They just lost hold of it. Like these folks that are surprised when their Pit Bull mauls a kid.
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Except all traffic to Peking was stopped, however, international flights were allowed.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (aBU8y)
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (fwDg9)
it was Bitch Haspel
Posted by: wth at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Oldcat
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I'd rather have a pendulum swing on the side of "insufficient" spying that what we have right now.
Far more scared of my own government than a foreign power.
If the military can't get it all done, oh well.
The amount of failures from the CIA is staggering.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (MwJ1s)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2023 06:17 PM (llON
He was always right. Too bad he couldn't moderate his language here.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (f5Rhz)
Posted by: State Media ignoring mountains of Proof at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (OKNCQ)
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 12, 2023 06:24 PM (EnsGU)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 12, 2023 06:24 PM (yJ432)
Posted by: ballistic at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (oXNqT)
Word
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 12, 2023 06:24 PM (xcxpd)
Excellent.
*steeples fingers*
Posted by: William J. Burns at September 12, 2023 06:24 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:22 PM (/cVLU)
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You mean the Robert Mueller-ran FBI?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:24 PM (8Kr5w)
"When it came to his son Hunter’s business dealings, and the inevitable stench they give off, President Joe Biden should have known better, writes columnist Jackie Calmes."
https://tinyurl.com/238bw4my
He did know better. He knew exactly how sell his country for money and have it funneled to his family of grifters that he ruined by abuse and worse. I’m sure he’s traded his soul to the evil one (and his families souls) for money and power.
Posted by: LASue at September 12, 2023 06:24 PM (Ed8Zd)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:24 PM (/cVLU)
They did no such thing.
They allowed it to go out and then they locked down their own people and killed everyone they considered a threat to the State.
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 06:25 PM (D1vg3)
Any talk of impeachment for Biden is not premature.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 12, 2023 06:25 PM (Hkcdp)
*touches nose*
How are you?
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:25 PM (/cVLU)
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:25 PM (8Kr5w)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September
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You & Count de Monet ought to have lunch.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:19 PM (aBU8y)
Heh. I've missed similar comments of his, but I've been expressing skepticism about a political solution to the current cluster for a while. It would be better than the alternative, but I just don't see how we avoid it, if we also want to avoid the psycho things the WEFtards and such want for everyone.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2023 06:25 PM (llON8)
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:25 PM (8Kr5w)
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 12, 2023 06:26 PM (EnsGU)
Likely. They probably know what else was in that lab. They might have been unsure which got out in the beginning ? Not trusting anyone in the lab.
Posted by: Next2Nothing at September 12, 2023 06:26 PM (tA1/w)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 12, 2023 06:05 PM (aD39U)
D-Lamp is laughing somewhere.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2023 06:17 PM (llON
That revelation is about 50 years old. The serial death of newspapers, radio, then television reporterage and the complete disinterest in the public shows that the system was dead and captured, since someone would have replaced it otherwise.
I mark it to when the term "reporter" turned to 'journalist'....reporter is reporting facts, the journal is just crap he wrote colored by his opinions.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:27 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory
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Trump could have changed that at any time in his Presidency.
But I'm all ears about how Trump is some gladiator that's going to destroy the Deep State. Just dont ask him to release some old papers where everyone involved is long dead.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:27 PM (MwJ1s)
Posted by: Facts
they shipped infected Wuhans around the world, but they could not go to other parts of China. AND they would not let the UN/WHO or anyone see the real details of what was released. YES, I can blame them.
But I also blame Trump for keeping evil swamp midgets Fauci/Birx in charge while he had The Great Barrington Declaration plan that would have saved us. Trump wanted credit for a speedy response and the vax ... which totally failed.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 12, 2023 06:27 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (eoQWY)
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We would? What has the CIA gotten RIGHT in the last 50-60 years, writ large?
To the extent that the CIA is a traditional intelligence-gathering agency that recruits foreign actors to spy for us abroad, they sorta suck at it. It's become a vestigial organ after the fall of the USSR, still stuck in the cold war mentality and methodology where Totally State Department Attaches go to dinner parties and rub elbows with foreign diplomats in hopes of someone getting drunk and saying something dumb.
Posted by: ballistic at September 12, 2023 06:27 PM (oXNqT)
I'd tread very lightly as concerns any mentions of the J6 thing, or breaching the US Capital. You never know who might read your words as a threat?
Careful, lest a worse fate Berfall you!
/s
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 12, 2023 06:27 PM (e6UQI)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 12, 2023 06:27 PM (aQy7p)
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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That was like the easiest "Trump" thing to do, catch flak from the Deep State while winning over 99% of Americans. There was zero downside imo.
But he blinked, like he did with Covid, Russiagate, and everything else.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (MwJ1s)
The Occam's Razor answer is no one including Trump has released the complete files because there is info that is too terrible and damning to ever be known by the public.
Assuming the DeepState has not lied and fabricated material in the files to shock Presidents into keeping a lot of files, most of which the Presidents never see, locked-away forever.
(Is my tin-foil hat on straight?)
Posted by: GL at September 12, 2023 06:27 PM (5fDan)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 12, 2023 06:27 PM (mupln)
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James Woods identified four of the hijackers to the FBI a week before the event.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:28 PM (aBU8y)
They were staying in FBI funded hotel rooms.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:22 PM (/cVLU)
Oh nice, so much like those guys who were trying to murder Pam Gellar in TX?
Top. Men.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2023 06:28 PM (llON8)
Posted by: Lamestream Media at September 12, 2023 06:28 PM (C4xAj)
It has a certain ineffable ring to it, does it not?
Posted by: garrett at September 12, 2023 06:11 PM (D1vg3)
Trump the Impaler>>>Hunter the Inhaler
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at September 12, 2023 06:29 PM (CCSxw)
Seriously ? Can you blame the Chinese for being pissed that Trump tried to blame them entirely for the mess ?
Posted by: Facts
I disagree with this strongly.
My take is that China was going to do this work, whatever it took.
The USA justified funding because it was a way to know what they were doing. Yes, we did help support and provide training and that may have expedited their program but it is not a strong case against USA.
The people who did it subvertly (Fauci, Barick,...) by hiding what it really was or by saying GOF was preventive measures agaisnt natural outbreak were traitors but so where the Rosenbergs.
The PLA had a program to develop this stuff and any help the USA gave was not intentionally for bioweapons. Or at least I think all concerned convinced themselves that it was not. Maybe they were paid to think that, but again that makes them fools or traitors. It does not implicate the US government of intentionally developing a bioweapon, or intentionally spreading it around the world. That is ALL on China.
The USA did intentionally turn it into an economy shutting disaster.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2023 06:29 PM (VxGDw)
Posted by: Bushmeat at September 12, 2023 06:29 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Question Authority Bumper sticker at September 12, 2023 06:29 PM (Rbu5d)
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:29 PM (aBU8y)
I'm just saying that if we did crush the CIA, we'd need a new spying agency to replace it rather than MIL-INT
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:21 PM (eoQWY)
Ideally MIL -INT would be the best option. Alas the armed forces are as compromised as every other institution. So there is really no where to turn.
Posted by: JmT at September 12, 2023 06:29 PM (evFVP)
When I can't drive from one side of my county to the other without siting in a roadblock... for hours... while this killer could have been kept out of the country if the GOP had provided 10% of the money they've okay sending to Ukraine...
Shit is getting so far out of control and the GOP is fvcking clueless as to what it going on. Or else they don't GAF.
If they don't GAF, come right out and say it, pussies.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 12, 2023 06:30 PM (enJYY)
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (aBU8y)
Outbound flights.
I am suspicious about the early outbreak in Italy. I suspect that might have been a second leak on purpose from Ukraine to make sure the virus did not get stopped.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:30 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:30 PM (/cVLU)
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2023 06:30 PM (i9ffA)
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 12, 2023 06:31 PM (C4xAj)
Posted by: Eskimo at September 12, 2023 06:31 PM (L498I)
US is most likely the culprit. We have/had bioweapons lab in the Ukraine.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:31 PM (/cVLU)
Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2023 06:32 PM (bs+z0)
Posted by: Czech Chick at September 12, 2023 05:50 PM (0rsFX)
Unfortunately, it isn't the Agency, it's the people (true believers) that are the issue. But otherwise, I agree with you.
Posted by: Question Authority Bumper sticker at September 12, 2023 06:32 PM (Rbu5d)
Assuming the DeepState has not lied and fabricated material in the files to shock Presidents into keeping a lot of files, most of which the Presidents never see, locked-away forever.
(Is my tin-foil hat on straight?)
Posted by: GL
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If Trump knew anything "juicy" , he'd instantly tell the world. He's the biggest attention whore on Earth.
But if it's true it was "too terrible", than Trump is just as guilty of hiding it as the Deep State.
My guess is Trump just deferred to someone like Kushner or Pompeo and lacked the attention span to ever really dig into any of it.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:32 PM (MwJ1s)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2023 06:33 PM (abEfS)
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 12, 2023 06:33 PM (nnp+f)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2023 06:33 PM (3dqqG)
Posted by: Question Authority Bumper sticker at September 12, 2023 06:33 PM (Rbu5d)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2023 06:34 PM (abEfS)
Top. Men.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 12, 2023
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It's shame Pam got old, she set an excellent example.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:34 PM (aBU8y)
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 12, 2023 06:34 PM (i9ffA)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 12, 2023 06:34 PM (roH4R)
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 12, 2023 06:34 PM (nnp+f)
"Hold my beaker while I splice this harmless virus with some bat snot."
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2023 06:35 PM (3dqqG)
Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2023 06:32 PM (bs+z0)
We were for calling it Chinese COVID before we were against it because Trump used the term we were using!
Posted by: Democrat-Media Complex, LLC at September 12, 2023 06:35 PM (5fDan)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2023 06:29 PM (VxGDw)
I don't agree. The Chinese Govt was watching to steal it if it turned up something interesting. If they wanted it they would in no way let us get a taste of it and they have a nation to hide it in.
The research was all US, and idiots like Fauci thought it would be a cool way to evade the law and make some money.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:35 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:35 PM (/cVLU)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2023 06:36 PM (abEfS)
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:12 PM (8Kr5w)
I've been re-evaluating what happened leading up to 9/11 since 2020.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 12, 2023 06:36 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 12, 2023 06:34 PM (roH4R)
We need a better set of liars for sure.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:36 PM (eoQWY)
The amount of failures from the CIA is staggering.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:23 PM (MwJ1s)
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Failures?
Are we sure they were failures?
Posted by: Just Lily at September 12, 2023 06:36 PM (RLLZj)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 12, 2023 06:34 PM (roH4R)
I want a refund
Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2023 06:36 PM (bs+z0)
Do they do this shit to soak up debt and inflation.
One wonders the purpose, because it's happening and takes a lot of coordination and effort.
And media manipulation.
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at September 12, 2023 06:37 PM (UCNv1)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2023 06:37 PM (abEfS)
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:37 PM (aBU8y)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2023 06:37 PM (abEfS)
Posted by: Eskimo
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Considering it was Trump's CIA Director and Trump's FBI Director that was in charge while all of this was going on. Yea, I do.
Posted by: Blago at September 12, 2023 06:37 PM (MwJ1s)
What I want to know is how the fuck does Biden know Covid is coming back this winter?? Buy a vowel!!!
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 12, 2023 06:38 PM (C4xAj)
Posted by: Question Authority Bumper sticker at September 12, 2023 06:33 PM (Rbu5d)
So do I.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 12, 2023 06:38 PM (BdMk6)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2023 06:38 PM (abEfS)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 12, 2023 06:39 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Heinrich von Naysayer at September 12, 2023 06:39 PM (Eqssc)
Posted by: It's me donna at September 12, 2023 06:39 PM (bs+z0)
It is not even an original concept for taking over the country. And still not very smart because viruses mutate.
"Nature will find a way." - Jurassic Park.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2023 06:39 PM (3dqqG)
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2023 06:40 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Question Authority Bumper sticker at September 12, 2023 06:33 PM (Rbu5d)
So do I.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 12, 2023 06:38 PM (BdMk6)
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Ditto.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:40 PM (8Kr5w)
Their response was at first to try to isolate it in Wuhan, but then to isolate Wuhan and let it spread internationally. This was an act of war.
Also, please understand that the USA was not funding this as a bioweapon, or at least I have not gotten there yet. China was intentionally developing a bioweapon and laughing that they got the USA to help. Also understand that a lot of the work was hidden from the West, and that the USA only paid a tiny portion of the costs of the lab and research -- that was mostly PLA paid for.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2023 06:40 PM (VxGDw)
Posted by: Question Authority Bumper sticker at September 12, 2023 06:41 PM (Rbu5d)
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 12, 2023 06:31 PM (C4xAj)
.......
Typhoid Hunter?
Posted by: wth at September 12, 2023 06:42 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 12, 2023 06:34 PM (roH4R)
The truth must be protected by a bodyguard of lies.
-W. S. Churchill
And 70 years later, here we are.
Posted by: GL at September 12, 2023 06:42 PM (5fDan)
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 12, 2023 06:43 PM (vHIgi)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at September 12, 2023 06:38 PM (abEfS)
Jack shit?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 12, 2023 06:43 PM (xcxpd)
I grew up thinking that the US was always the good guy or maybe my eyes are open now and I don't like what I see.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at September 12, 2023 06:43 PM (UcAQV)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2023 06:43 PM (3dqqG)
What does "singing the team song" mean? Is "Watching" another Scogg handle?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 12, 2023 06:44 PM (uSL1/)
Posted by: Blago
It’s not a bug; it’s a feature.
Posted by: He Who States The Obvious at September 12, 2023 06:44 PM (Eqssc)
Posted by: redridinghood at September 12, 2023 06:44 PM (NpAcC)
Is that Operation Mockingbird?
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at September 12, 2023 06:30 PM (/cVLU)
I'm sure that's part of it, but a lot more was just the industry losing touch with what it was all about and becoming part of the elite instead of a means of exposing them. Walter Cronkite torpedoing Vietnam by distorting the news is just as bad as a CIA operative newsman protecting the state. Once you become an operative for any group in the elite, you lose value to the non-elite and they start to go elsewhere.
Look at Disney. They have forgotten that they are supposed to please their audience so they will get huge cash and massive influence. They serve a different goal and everyone is realizing it and their operations are collapsing.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:45 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Oldcat
Just no.
The RaTG13 that is appears to have been built on was not known to the Western researchers and only found in the database after China thought they deleted it.
My uninformed estimate is that the West was a tiny portion of the funding for this research. Any amount is treason though.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2023 06:45 PM (VxGDw)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 12, 2023 06:45 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 12, 2023 06:45 PM (C4xAj)
We are here ---> that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
Posted by: Question Authority Bumper sticker at September 12, 2023 06:46 PM (Rbu5d)
Posted by: 13th man at September 12, 2023 06:46 PM (/Rqse)
"And then the pandemic came."
Posted by: JmT at September 12, 2023 06:46 PM (evFVP)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2023 06:43 PM (3dqqG)
About 5 years ago I heard a translation of the huge pressers Putin gave and he gave exactly that analysis of the US government...that each day they looked more and more like the USSR on how they handled things.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:47 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2023 06:47 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 12, 2023 06:43 PM (3dqqG)
And ended up as being less competent and more corrupt, somehow
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at September 12, 2023 06:47 PM (xcxpd)
They already violate enough of their charter they should be disbanded and all serving agents disgraced and denied pensions.
Same with FBI, ATF, etc.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 12, 2023 06:48 PM (2YtOq)
Posted by: Question Authority Bumper sticker at September 12, 2023 06:33 PM (Rbu5d)
So do I.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 12, 2023 06:38 PM (BdMk6)
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Ditto.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:40 PM (8Kr5w)
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Yup
Posted by: Just Lily at September 12, 2023 06:48 PM (RLLZj)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2023 06:48 PM (VxGDw)
-W. S. Churchill
One of the most interesting events in the last 100 years was the British voting out Churchill. I do not blame them. He was the war-monger they needed, until they did not.
Posted by: Watching at September 12, 2023 06:44 PM (liQ21)
IIRC, UK military personnel voted overwhelmingly against Churchill's party (Tories? Conservatives?) in the fall of 1945. Interesting. The lure of the Welfare State was very powerful then in the UK, for reasons I'll never figure out.
Posted by: GL at September 12, 2023 06:48 PM (5fDan)
"And then the pandemic came."
Posted by: JmT at September 12, 2023 06:46 PM (evFVP)
Came on all of us. Bukake, govt style
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 12, 2023 06:48 PM (G53Ph)
The research was all headed to making COVID-19 Wuhan more lethal. The lab was sited in China because that type of research was banned in the US.
As anyone in lab sciences knows, there is a finite number of careless Chinese researchers, probably the greatest by nationality. The IC and Deep State counted on this.
China picked this up fast after the release, and initially tried to get it out of it's borders, first to Italy.
It hit China hard, and policy makers in the US used this as a tool to launch electoral fraud, and to harm the American Citizens that were not in the Inner Party.
Fentanyl in America is China's response. China was pressured to not send Chinese-made Fentanyl to the US. OK, said China.
Instead, they set up synthesis labs in Mexico, controlled by the Cartels. With tech assist from China, and also the needed precursor chemicals.
How about this theory?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2023 06:49 PM (u82oZ)
>>What did Pompeo do at the CIA?
The same thing pretty much all CIA directors have done, work within the confines and agenda of the working/controlling group of the agency, don't make waves and try to keep the lid on as much as possible and ultimately, don't get yourself on a kill list.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 12, 2023 06:49 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed"
******
We are the good guys. Our current government, not so much.
Posted by: Cosda at September 12, 2023 06:49 PM (G7yCz)
Posted by: Paul at September 12, 2023 06:50 PM (ssT9e)
Please.
Posted by: LadyS at September 12, 2023 06:51 PM (oq25h)
The UK was very tired in 1945, and had lost the most resilient and brave men in combat. They had won the war, but with lots of effort needed from everyone. The U-boat blockade and rationing made the sacrifices close to the bone.
Security was a big draw in 1945. This trend was started after WWI.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2023 06:52 PM (u82oZ)
Wow what a coincidence I saw Collection of Filthy Whores open for Madonna at the Bowery Homeless Shelter and Bum Fight Arena in 2020
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 12, 2023 06:53 PM (C4xAj)
Posted by: william ferrin at September 12, 2023 06:53 PM (XtZwS)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2023 06:53 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 12, 2023 06:48 PM (VxGDw)
Fauci authorized the gain of function research there and was looking actively to sell it to the Pentagon and they turned him down...before COVID. He put it in China on his own. I'm sure China has its own bioweapons researchers, everyone does, but they don't let US people get within 500 miles because they aren't idiots and Fauci is.
After the outbreak in China, the government certainly maximized the extent of the damage internationally because they didn't want to be the only country screwed by this. But our governments also acted to allow for a spread to cover their own ass and for political reasons. This isn't good guy bad guy, its bad guys all the way down.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:53 PM (eoQWY)
Wow what a coincidence I saw Collection of Filthy Whores open for Madonna at the Bowery Homeless Shelter and Bum Fight Arena in 2020
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 12, 2023 06:53 PM (C4xAj)
Posted by: william ferrin at September 12, 2023 06:53 PM (XtZwS)
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Never let a crisis go to waste!
Posted by: Just Lily at September 12, 2023 06:54 PM (RLLZj)
Wow what a coincidence I saw Collection of Filthy Whores open for Madonna at the Bowery Homeless Shelter and Bum Fight Arena in 2020
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 12, 2023 06:53 PM (C4xAj)
Whores at least provide a service for the expense. Experts don't.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:54 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Question Authority Bumper sticker at September 12, 2023 06:33 PM (Rbu5d)
So do I.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 12, 2023 06:38 PM (BdMk6)
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Ditto.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:40 PM (8Kr5w)
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Yup
Posted by: Just Lily at September 12, 2023 06:48 PM (RLLZj)
+ 6.022 x 10²³
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2023 06:56 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:57 PM (8Kr5w)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2023 06:49 PM (u82oZ)
Don't see too many holes, aside from assuming that our government works as a unitary body rather than a cluster of competing factions with often differing desires. Good job!
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:57 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:57 PM (aBU8y)
Posted by: Question Authority Bumper sticker at September 12, 2023 06:33 PM (Rbu5d)
So do I.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 12, 2023 06:38 PM (BdMk6)
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Ditto.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at September 12, 2023 06:40 PM (8Kr5w)
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Yup
Posted by: Just Lily at September 12, 2023 06:48 PM (RLLZj)
+ 6.022 x 10²³
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2023 06:56 PM (u82oZ)
Holy mole
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 12, 2023 06:57 PM (G53Ph)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 12, 2023 06:58 PM (2YtOq)
Security was a big draw in 1945. This trend was started after WWI.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2023 06:52 PM (u82oZ)
Sadly for the UK, the incoming Socialists decided that keeping the government control on most of the economy was cool and they bitched things up so badly that Churchill came right back, but by then the government was too entrenched in everything for England to see anything like its former power return with peace.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 07:00 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 06:53 PM (eoQWY)
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And Fauci is an evil SOB.
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 07:00 PM (aBU8y)
Low confidence
Posted by: Paul at September 12, 2023 07:01 PM (ssT9e)
And a respectful tip of the hat to Ex-Ex.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2023 07:01 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Braenyard at September 12, 2023 06:57 PM (aBU8y)
Oil. Same with Syria. Same with the opposition to NordStreams, can't have the EU have security in energy.
They needn't have bothered, the EU is a moribund state and would have kept Europe down and depopulated if they were neck deep in oil.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 07:02 PM (eoQWY)
But Fauci couldn’t have “put it there “ (GOF research) all on his own. NIH is a gov agency, and the tentacles also led through several US universities/research arms. Someone(s) at a high level authorized that research, and it was prepped at US facilities. Remember the Harvard guy whose name escapes me now, Charles? something? And there are clues with regard to Canadian lab personnel too.
Posted by: LadyS at September 12, 2023 07:02 PM (oq25h)
Posted by: LadyS at September 12, 2023 07:03 PM (oq25h)
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2023 07:04 PM (fwDg9)
Socialism and Communism have 153 years of failure in governance. Since the Paris Commune. They just spread misery, unless you are in the Inner, Inner Party.
All the mechanisms for. a better and more prosperous society have been turned off.
Private Property is one of the pillars of prosperity, I aver.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2023 07:04 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 12, 2023 07:05 PM (C4xAj)
Posted by: LadyS at September 12, 2023 07:02 PM (oq25h)
Fauci had it written into code that only he could authorize research in gain of function outside the USA. He had his list of cronies and people he worked with, but by law he was the single place were 'legal' taxpayer paid bioweapon research could be done through.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 07:06 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2023 07:06 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 07:00 PM (eoQWY)
England, France and Germany, no return to power post WWII. Only the US and Russia.
Posted by: JmT at September 12, 2023 07:08 PM (evFVP)
Socialism and Communism have 153 years of failure in governance. Since the Paris Commune. They just spread misery, unless you are in the Inner, Inner Party.
All the mechanisms for. a better and more prosperous society have been turned off.
Private Property is one of the pillars of prosperity, I aver.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 12, 2023 07:04 PM (u82oZ)
Oh earlier than that - Bastiat was bitching about the socialists 'thinkers' back in the 1830s, and doing it very well.
And all those Socialists sure seem to make sure THEY have plenty of private property to use, hey?
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 07:09 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Skip at September 12, 2023 07:06 PM (fwDg9)
Oh, it is. These people dropping dead and no curiosity by anyone in the concern elites tells me they know exactly what is going on there.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2023 07:11 PM (eoQWY)
No, I’m sorry, but that’s not correct. What was “on the books” wasn’t all that happened. It’s difficult to piece this together, of course, but Fauci was by no means the only “covered” piece on this board.
Posted by: LadyS at September 12, 2023 07:27 PM (oq25h)
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