Ms. Marvel Fails to Get Even a Million Viewers on the ABC Broadcast Network; New Star Wars Series "Ahsoka" Bombs on Disney

Disney has The Marvels coming up in November, featuring a nominal lead that no one likes, and two minor characters introduced on D-Minus: Ms. Marvel and, what is she called?, Spectrum or Binary or whoever she is supposed to be.

You don't know what I'm talking about? Exactly.

That's Disney's problem: They have a superHERo team up movie featuring one superHERo no one likes and two superHERoes no one knows.

To remedy this, and to try to fill the gaps in its schedule opened by the strikes, Disney ran the formerly-D-Minus-exclusive show Ms. Marvel on the broadcast network ABC.

Ms. Marvel already had the distinction of being the lowest-rated D-Minus superHERo show ever.

But maybe it would catch fire on broadcast TV

Nah, cuz.

In the below chart, "HH" means households, P+2 is, I think, the total audience both for the night the show aired plus anyone who watched it on replay in the next two days, and P18-49 means viewers aged 18 to 49.

Disney Minus hides its viewership figures so this is a proxy measure for Disney Minus' ratings. If their shows can't even pull 1,000,000 households when the show is offered for free to anyone who can receive a local ABC signal (which is to say, almost anyone in America who owns a TV), how many people could possibly be running it on the meh-sized streaming service D-Minus?

It gets worse. D-Minus and Kathleen Kennedy's Failure Factory LucasFilm were counting on Ahsoka to rescue the Star Wars brand and re-energize fan interest.

Who's Ahoska, you say? She's from a cartoon, and she's now a Diverse Stronk Empowered Woman.

Wow, a female lead in a Star Wars offering. I never thought I'd see the day.

As I mentioned, D-Minus hides its ratings figures. However, it's available through a service, called Samba, which does release the ratings figures for every show viewed through Samba.

Samba is estimated to service one third of D-Minus subscribers. So while it can't report Disney's total ratings, it sure can provide a very close estimate. Samba is reporting on millions and millions of viewers; even well-done political polls only sample 1,000 people.

And would you believe it? According to Samba, the next great Force is Female hope Ahsoka was only viewed by 1.2 million people. So, multiplying by three, the new Kathleen Kennedy bomb only got 3.6 million viewers.

Disney, however, is claiming -- without evidence -- the show got 14 million views. The trouble is, Samba's shows its work and Disney does not.

Andre from Midnight's Edge is guessing that Disney is rigging the numbers by 1, combining the viewership of two episodes (which no one does -- ratings are reported on a single-episode basis) and, using a trick that Amazon pulled to inflate its Rings of Power viewership, to 2, assume that any household tuned into the show must have four people watching it, quadrupling the number of viewers with a single assumption.

Here's a sad truth: People, families, even couples don't watch TV together very often. TV no longer aims at capturing a wide audience, so that a father can watch with a daughter. It narrowcasts to one specific niche (which is almost always White Leftwing Urban Woman, which just happens to also be the demographic of most TV executives).

So maybe in the 1970s you could multiply the number of households tuned into Happy Days by four and get a rough guess of your total viewership.

But not any longer. Men just don't watch TV anymore (except for sports and some reality-type stuff and documentaries, etc.) because virtually none of it is made for men. Younger people mostly watch reality TV... or TikTok. Older people tend to watch more news because, again, tv shows aren't made for them.

Multiplying by four is not an acceptable fudge factor any longer.

And comparing Ahsoka's ratings to Andor's (who?) does Ahsoka no good, Andre points out. Andor is about one character in an ensemble movie (Rogue One) who is already dead. And already-dead characters do not make for big ratings in subsequent flashback stories. Ask Black Widow.

Ahsoka, despite being obscure, is less obscure than Andor with Star Wars fans-- she was a major character on the Clone Wars (or whatever) cartoon and has been an established character for 20 years.

Also: It's generally agreed that no one bothered watching Andor, not even the YouTube geek culture critics who literally make money off watching bad Disney television, so saying it did slightly better than Andor is not a flex.

Midnight's Edge reports that Disney is using the cover of the strikes -- and the doctrine of force majeure that the strikes grant it -- to cancel contracts and even completed series to save money. Reportedly they've fired the Rick & Morty writes responsible for Quantumania and Multiverse of Madness, who were under contract to write the two upcoming Avengers movies.

(They're keeping the Rick and Morty writer, Jessica Guo, responsible for the series that killed the Marvel brand, She-Hulk.)

They've even cancelled two shows that were already completed: The Spiderwick Chronicles and Nautilus. They might be following the Warner Bros. plan of burying the projects and then claiming a tax write-off.

Is there anything that can save D-Minus, then?

Well, just the one thing we've all been waiting for.

Posted by: Ace at 04:37 PM

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1 Rookie!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 30, 2023 04:38 PM (Wqoo2)

2 Dismal+

Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2023 04:38 PM (krQz2)

3 Nope

Posted by: Turn 2 at August 30, 2023 04:38 PM (JfxgE)

4 Okay, maybe not...
I'll fetch them.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 30, 2023 04:38 PM (Wqoo2)

5 not sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:38 PM (LvTSG)

6 Garbage

Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2023 04:39 PM (MOY79)

7 I've seen one commercial for Ahsoka, and I was surprised to see that this action adventure special effects extravaganza was almost entirely all girls.

Weird.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:39 PM (LvTSG)

8 They should move to Canada.

Posted by: torabora at August 30, 2023 04:39 PM (hFPXl)

9 so what... what, what would you say actually *happens* on this show?

Youv'e gotta give me something, man.

Posted by: Producer Guy at August 30, 2023 04:40 PM (KRtlO)

10 >>>I've seen one commercial for Ahsoka, and I was surprised to see that this action adventure special effects extravaganza was almost entirely all girls.

so innovative.

These princesses (snaps) save themselves!

Posted by: ace at August 30, 2023 04:41 PM (KRtlO)

11 what is she called?, Spectrum or Binary or whoever she is supposed to be.
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Are you sure that's not NON-Binary? You could get reported for misgendering.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 30, 2023 04:41 PM (brAQZ)

12 Disney, however, is claiming -- without evidence -- the show got 14 million views. The trouble is, Samba's shows its work and Disney does not.

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I think the 14 million is worldwide.

Which is laughable, and feels like a play by Kennedy to make herself sound popular since there's no real metric to bounce it up against.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:42 PM (LvTSG)

13 Multiplying by four is not an acceptable fudge factor any longer.
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Especially if you've been a good subject of the WEF and aborted your offspring like you were supposed to!

Posted by: Axeman at August 30, 2023 04:42 PM (krQz2)

14 If they show titties at least I can jerk it as I fall asleep

Posted by: Joe kidtoucher at August 30, 2023 04:42 PM (W+TLY)

15 I've seen one commercial for Ahsoka, and I was surprised to see that this action adventure special effects extravaganza was almost entirely all girls.

Weird.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:39 PM (LvTSG)

Jedi Scissoring

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 30, 2023 04:42 PM (CjHGv)

16 They have a superHERo team up movie featuring one superhero no one likes and two superHERoes no one knows.

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This reminds me, I saw a Hershey bar in a vending machine last weekend that was spelled HER SHE with a picture of some chick on it. I was rolling my eyes too hard to see who it was.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2023 04:43 PM (DRSnL)

17 They've even cancelled two shows that were already completed: The Spiderwick Chronicles and Nautilus. They might be following the Warner Bros. plan of burying the projects and then claiming a tax write-off.

Is there anything that can save D-Minus, then?

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It's interesting that when Zaslav cans stuff at WB, he's framed as a monster by the Disney lovers out there, but when Iger does the same thing to their precious, it's more sadness at the state of streaming, not anger at Iger.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:43 PM (LvTSG)

18 assume that any household tuned into the show must have four people watching it, quadrupling the number of viewers with a single assumption.

We also multiply by 2 because each person has two eyes, each of which is viewing the episode.

Posted by: Disney Minus at August 30, 2023 04:43 PM (y3wha)

19 Bonk bonk on the head

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 30, 2023 04:43 PM (oOdkd)

20 The last tv series I liked was Stranger Things.

They've almost guaranteed they are going to make the next season gay gay gay. Because of course...you can't have a TV show set in the 80s without buttsecks amiright?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 04:43 PM (lc5cP)

21 Positive: fewer young men will watch TV/cable/streaming BS.

Negative: They'll probably just fire up another vidya game.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 30, 2023 04:43 PM (IG4Id)

22 Disney Minus hides its viewership figures so this is a proxy measure for Disney Minus' ratings. If their shows can't even pull 1,000,000 households when the show is offered for free to anyone who can receive a local ABC signal (which is to say, almost anyone in America who owns a TV), how many people could possibly be running it on the meh-sized streaming service D-Minus?
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The fact that the show has been out for some time on Disney+ - combined with the large number of Disney+ subscribers in the United States - means that this show already had wide release and most of target market has already viewed it. The release on linear TV is an effort to expand the audience beyond the scope of those who already had access to it on the premier streaming platform.

The rebroadcast of the program on linear television properties has achieved its goal of exposing more people to the story and its characters, and it has been a successful arrow in the marketing quiver for The Marvels. To spin this as some kind of failure because only the small part of the market that is not already addressed through Disney+ was in the original scope is a disingenuous take.

Posted by: Walt Disney Company PR Department at August 30, 2023 04:43 PM (t0OGg)

23 10 >>>I've seen one commercial for Ahsoka, and I was surprised to see that this action adventure special effects extravaganza was almost entirely all girls.

so innovative.

These princesses (snaps) save themselves!
Posted by: ace at August 30, 2023 04:41 PM (KRtlO)

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Jennifer Lawrence is gonna be so pissed when she finds out she's not the first girl action hero in movies anymore.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:44 PM (LvTSG)

24 Let me guess..."Ahsoka" is Jedi lingo for "Angry Negress In Space".

To go where no man has gone before...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 30, 2023 04:44 PM (iw4IE)

25 I was at the post office the other day so decided to pick up some more stamps. The clerk showed me several different kinds, including a "Star Wars" commemorative set.

"Not those!" I said. "I am sick to death of Star Wars and everything associated with it."

She laughed and said, "You just made my day!"

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 30, 2023 04:44 PM (N3zMI)

26 A totally offputting banal derivative ideological thrown together by unimaginative indoctrinated writers producers and directors product at the behest of a government/business entity… who would not flock to that????

Posted by: tubal at August 30, 2023 04:44 PM (PCK5/)

27 She-Hulk wants to see the manager.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 30, 2023 04:44 PM (QuNOR)

28 A shame Disney fired Ike Perlmutter because he had kept Kevin Feige from fucking up the MCU, up to that point.

After Perlmutter was let go, Feige had all control and that's when all these silly, stupid characters that couldn't sell a comic book got shoehorned into the cinematic universe and ruined it.

Posted by: Tracy at August 30, 2023 04:44 PM (8xTKQ)

29 Ashoka Assoka whatever was completely retconned from the cartoons

In the cartoon she has an actual personality

In this show she has about as much personality and vibrance as Mitch McConnell during one of his grand mal seizures

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 30, 2023 04:45 PM (VTu1l)

30 >These princesses (snaps) save themselves!
Posted by: ace at August 30, 2023 04:41 PM (KRtlO)

The main character's love interest is a...wait for it...Tumblr-level rainbow-haired lesbian who can take a lightsaber to the gut and brush it off. "Barely an inconvenience!".

LOLOLOLOLOL

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at August 30, 2023 04:45 PM (uFzkb)

31 I would admit I have no clue about who any of these people are, but then Ace would try to gaslight me about them being acclaimed chiropterologists, so I'm not going to do that.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 30, 2023 04:45 PM (a3Q+t)

32 24 Let me guess..."Ahsoka" is Jedi lingo for "Angry Negress In Space".

To go where no man has gone before...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 30, 2023 04:44 PM (iw4IE)

Looks like Jada Pinkett Smith doing Cosplay…

Posted by: tubal at August 30, 2023 04:45 PM (PCK5/)

33 She-Hulk?
I don't think that series will ever move my wtf meter off of all the way over past the red zone of the gauge.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 30, 2023 04:45 PM (Wqoo2)

34 Penis envy has become weaponized and is now an actual industry.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 30, 2023 04:45 PM (oOdkd)

35 She-Hulk wants to see the manager.

Wasn't the original plot to Endgame that Captain Karen saves the universe by yelling at Thanos's manager?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 04:46 PM (lc5cP)

36 Disney, however, is claiming -- without evidence -- the show got 14 million views. The trouble is, Samba's shows its work and Disney does not.
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Samba and other analysis firms like Nielsen must estimate viewership based on inference. Disney itself does not have that limitation, as the Company has direct access to the applicable data. While the third-party ratings companies are sometimes accurate, they are not always accurate and the Company's numbers are, in all cases, more reliable because they do not depend on inference.

The detailed methodology cannot be disclosed due to considerations around intellectual property, trade secrets, contractual obligations and other factors, but the Company remains a trustworthy source to provide highly accurate bottom-line figures.

Posted by: Walt Disney Company PR Department at August 30, 2023 04:46 PM (t0OGg)

37 Looks like Jada Pinkett Smith doing Cosplay…

Don't see any fuckbois behind her so...no.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 04:47 PM (lc5cP)

38 How's Mar-a-Lago doing??

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 1h
PHOTO: 100-year-old oak tree falls on Florida Gov. DeSantis' mansion while family was inside in in wake of Hurricane Idalia

[The Governor's Mansion I assume from its architecture.]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 30, 2023 04:47 PM (krqg6)

39 The last tv series I liked was Stranger Things.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 04:43 PM (lc5cP)

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I just got done binge watching The Bear, which I really liked.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2023 04:47 PM (DRSnL)

40 Funny thing is that a lot of the animated Clone Wars was the Ahsoka show.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 30, 2023 04:47 PM (i9ffA)

41 10 >>>I've seen one commercial for Ahsoka, and I was surprised to see that this action adventure special effects extravaganza was almost entirely all girls.

so innovative.

These princesses (snaps) save themselves!
Posted by: ace at August 30, 2023 04:41 PM

We have total representation! Even evil White men are represented! We have the incompetent old White man captain at the beginning of the series that was stupid and got killed, the evil White men that were secret fascists supporting the empire and got killed, and the evil White Sith villain (who works for the main, female, villain) who seems semi-competent for now...but you'll never guess what will happen to him at the end of the series!!!

Posted by: Ahsoka showrunners at August 30, 2023 04:47 PM (JCZqz)

42 I watched a review of a show on CW (because I can’t watch actual shows anymore)

4 main characters are in a polyamorous relationship with each other

Their parents? Gay

Their uncles and aunts? Gay

Their friends? Half gay other half gay all day

Fuck modern TV

gonna watch the A-Team now

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 30, 2023 04:47 PM (VTu1l)

43 The detailed methodology cannot be disclosed due to considerations around intellectual property, trade secrets, contractual obligations and other factors, but the Company remains a trustworthy source to provide highly accurate bottom-line figures.
Posted by: Walt Disney Company PR Department at August 30, 2023 04:46 PM (t0OGg)

AKA "You have my Word on it!!!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 30, 2023 04:48 PM (i9ffA)

44 But not any longer. Men just don't watch TV anymore (except for sports and some reality-type stuff and documentaries, etc.) because virtually none of it is made for men. Younger people mostly watch reality TV... or TikTok. Older people tend to watch more news because, again, tv shows aren't made for them.
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Which is the great irony underneath this. Historically, Disney sucked at content for men and boys. They were the princess company, and the little kids company. Disney wanted to court the male audience, and that is one of the reasons that it bought both Marvel Studios *and* Lucasfilm. They explicitly wanted to expand their addressable market to include boys.

And then they went all "Force is Female" and M-She-U on it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:48 PM (t0OGg)

45 Speaking of shows, has anybody heard anything about the new season of "Frasier" coming out soon?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 30, 2023 04:49 PM (N3zMI)

46 Television is gross.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 30, 2023 04:49 PM (GD2xa)

47 Ahsoka is the Clones War character created by Lucas. Released in 2008. Clone wars had 7 seasons. Ahsoka was in Rebels. Released in 2014. They are just bringing it to live action. Other than the annoying Rosario Dawson ( they should have went with Ashley Eckstein) it is fine.

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 04:49 PM (idBr5)

48 Hey Bob Iger, Verizon called and wants their Hulu payment.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 30, 2023 04:49 PM (QuNOR)

49
4 main characters are in a polyamorous relationship with each other

I noticed when I went to facebook they have short videos (like tiktok I guess) featured all over the place and a common theme seemed to be "happy poly groups"

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 04:49 PM (lc5cP)

50 Midnight's Edge reports that Disney is using the cover of the strikes -- and the doctrine of force majeure that the strikes grant it -- to cancel contracts and even completed series to save money. Reportedly they've fired the Rick & Morty writes responsible for Quantumania and Multiverse of Madness, who were under contract to write the two upcoming Avengers movies.
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They've even cancelled two shows that were already completed: The Spiderwick Chronicles and Nautilus. They might be following the Warner Bros. plan of burying the projects and then claiming a tax write-off.
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They'll have to give back the tax credit that the UK gave them, but it might still be a net win to take it as a tax offset in this country.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:49 PM (t0OGg)

51 I didn't realize until someone mentioned it that Ahhhhsooooka is played by Rosario Dawson. She's now 44. She was reasonably hawt in MiB2, but the years are adding up.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 30, 2023 04:50 PM (I/Qkd)

52 This reminds me, I saw a Hershey bar in a vending machine last weekend that was spelled HER SHE with a picture of some chick on it. I was rolling my eyes too hard to see who it was.
Posted by: Jordan61

They made them special for women's month.
How do you tell everyone your candy bar was made for March and you still have leftover stock in Sept?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 30, 2023 04:50 PM (Wqoo2)

53 100-year-old oak tree falls on Florida Gov. DeSantis' mansion while family was inside

**********

OMG

is the tree ok?

Posted by: Stupid Fucking Retarded Lefties on DailyKos at August 30, 2023 04:50 PM (VTu1l)

54 >>Speaking of shows, has anybody heard anything about the new season of "Frasier" coming out soon?

Why yes I have!

Posted by: Frasier Crane at August 30, 2023 04:50 PM (bNf8H)

55 Season 2 of She-Hulk? Cool! Maybe Disney and HBO can bury the hatchet and make the ultimate crossover by teaming up She-Hulk and Velma!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:50 PM (t0OGg)

56 29 Ashoka Assoka whatever was completely retconned from the cartoons. In this show she has about as much personality and vibrance as Mitch McConnell during one of his grand mal seizures.
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 30, 2023 04:45 PM

So, like...you're saying she should run for the Imperial Senate?

Posted by: Padme Skywalker at August 30, 2023 04:50 PM (JCZqz)

57 AKA "You have my Word on it!!!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 30, 2023 04:48 PM

My word as a Biden >>> You have my Word on it!!

Posted by: Jos. Robinette Biden at August 30, 2023 04:51 PM (a3Q+t)

58 Not only do men not watch Current Product TV anymore, they do not read current product books either… virtually all written material is female oriented… including most male authors… hard pass.

Posted by: tubal at August 30, 2023 04:51 PM (PCK5/)

59 If I were a mad scientist who had a moon base and space lasers, I would build a laser that would vaporize any and all twerking.

I would expect funding from Health Canada for my compassionate care service.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 30, 2023 04:51 PM (vK/Kb)

60 Speaking of shows, has anybody heard anything about the new season of "Frasier" coming out soon?
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 30, 2023 04:49 PM (N3zMI)

Frasier teaches at a college and his kids hate him and he hates him and his horrible god-daughter is a better shrink than he'll ever be and socialism.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 04:51 PM (9UlRk)

61 29 Ashoka Assoka whatever was completely retconned from the cartoons

In the cartoon she has an actual personality

In this show she has about as much personality and vibrance as Mitch McConnell during one of his grand mal seizures
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 30, 2023 04:45 PM (VTu1l)

This.

In Clone Wars, Ashoka Tano was the emotional center of the series. You saw her grow in her skills and mature as a character. The Ashoka in the S7 arc where you see Order 66 from her point of view is some of the best work in all of Star Wars. She's exactly the opposite of a Stronk Empowered Woman because you actually see her make lots of mistakes on the way to becoming a fully-formed warrior.

I'm done with SW, so this entry from Ace will be the most I see of this. My brother already tuned out from this Woke-Fest, so I'll just make my memories of Ahsoka in Clone Wars the last, best ones.

A real shame.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 30, 2023 04:51 PM (/iWhV)

62 Just speaking only for myself, and referring to SheHulk...if I wanted to be around a bitchy female that was always on the edge of menstral cycle madness, I'd own and operate a tatty bar.

Posted by: BifBewalski at August 30, 2023 04:51 PM (3CCua)

63 The idiots at Disney can't seem to grasp that their ways aren't working anymore, and they'll have to do something differently.

How hard is it to figure this out?

Posted by: Archimedes at August 30, 2023 04:51 PM (I/Qkd)

64 You're a guy. Are you straight? Ok, die.

You're a fag? Ok, do you still have a dick? Go back to die.

You're a tranny? Ok, are you white? Go back to die.

And so on.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 30, 2023 04:51 PM (0FoWg)

65 happy poly groups

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On TV they’re always good looking and attractive

In reality it always seems to be 4 simps with one white Lizzo look alike

Posted by: Stupid Fucking Retarded Lefties on DailyKos at August 30, 2023 04:51 PM (VTu1l)

66 Disney, however, is claiming -- without evidence -- the show got 14 million views.
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Watch out KK! I believe lying is now indictable in New York and Georgia.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (QuNOR)

67 "Disney has The Marvels coming up in November, featuring a nominal lead that no one likes, and two minor characters introduced on D-Minus......."

"D-Minus". LOL

Posted by: Tuna at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (gLRfa)

68 I guess if you were not into Clone Wars , or never heard of it, or not into Rebels or never heard of it, you might not appreciate the nuances, easter eggs and so on...

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (idBr5)

69
She Hulk = Crazy Girlfriend

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (MoZTd)

70 Disney is hellbent on immolating itself in dumpster fire after dumpster fire.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (YIVH2)

71 But not any longer. Men just don't watch TV anymore (except for sports and some reality-type stuff and documentaries, etc.) because virtually none of it is made for men. Younger people mostly watch reality TV... or TikTok. Older people tend to watch more news because, again, tv shows aren't made for them.

Ace, I come here for smart commentary, but rarely do I have such an Ah Ha! moment like when I read this.

I never gave a second thought as to why I had no desire to watch TV anymore. I thought it was just I got older and it didn't appeal to me.

My children and I still watch TV. Either documentaries or shows from the 90s.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (/MxLx)

72 Ashoka Assoka whatever was completely retconned from the cartoons

In the cartoon she has an actual personality

In this show she has about as much personality and vibrance as Mitch McConnell during one of his grand mal seizures
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 30, 2023 04:45 PM (VTu1l)
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Made by the same dude (well one of them - Feloni was part of "Clone Wars" and various other properties).

Lucasfilm is broken.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (t0OGg)

73 55 Season 2 of She-Hulk? Cool! Maybe Disney and HBO can bury the hatchet and make the ultimate crossover by teaming up She-Hulk and Velma!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:50 PM (t0OGg)

They can call it She-Velma and make her character a woman.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (oOdkd)

74 McConnell freezes up again during Kentucky news conference
McConnell unable to speak during news conference just one month after a similar incident

Posted by: DB - early edition at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (geLO8)

75 Annnnnnnd sock off

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (VTu1l)

76 She-Hulk smash manager!!!

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at August 30, 2023 04:53 PM (N3zMI)

77 Someone needs to tell She-Hulk to calm down.

Posted by: Bacon Jeff at August 30, 2023 04:53 PM (VGRuw)

78 She-Hulk, so 25% weaker than He-Hulk

Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2023 04:53 PM (MOY79)

79 They can call it She-Velma and make her character a woman.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (oOdkd)
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LOL

As if. Hollywood can't write women any more than it can write men.

It can write girlbosses, but not women.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (t0OGg)

80 67 "Disney has The Marvels coming up in November, featuring a nominal lead that no one likes, and two minor characters introduced on D-Minus......."

"D-Minus". LOL
Posted by: Tuna at August 30, 2023 04:52 PM (gLRfa)

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Also, it's come out that The Marvels will be a grand 98 minutes long.

Now, I do think there can be good movies at only 98 minutes. Lots of great movies are less than 100 minutes.

But a special effects extravaganza with three main characters and a bunch of crap about multiverse jumping?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (LvTSG)

81 39 The last tv series I liked was Stranger Things.

Rick & Morty (prepared to dislike the new season with Roiland's absence)

Only Murders in the Building (I have a soft spot for Steve Martin, but am getting tired of the Selena Gomez character)

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (GD2xa)

82
She Hulk = Girlboss

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (MoZTd)

83 Maybe She-Hulk is really a Trannie-Hulk

Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (MOY79)

84 I buy a lot of hard copies of both written and media material… what I like might very well be memory holed one day…

Posted by: tubal at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (PCK5/)

85 There are several TV shows I like, "Slow Horses" (Gary Oldman), "The Old Man" (Jeff Bridges) and "Reacher" (some male model) are all pretty decent.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (QuNOR)

86 > She-Hulk wants to see the manager.

In the show, She Hulk literally breaks the fourth wall to complain about the script, and goes to the script writer to complain.

She went to see the manager.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (0N1h0)

87 Let me guess..."Ahsoka" is Jedi lingo for "Angry Negress In Space".

To go where no man has gone before...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

Apparently, just more Grrl Boss displays, lots of empty staring, and wooden acting. Which you know, all of the young kids are into these days...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (IG4Id)

88 GF is rocking through the back catalog of Blacklist.

I.... okay i play video games.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (9UlRk)

89 Am I the only one who finds this entertaining?
...

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (Edo3/)

90 Wow. She-hulk really pushing the frontiers of suck.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (pohLc)

91 ... But a special effects extravaganza with three main characters and a bunch of crap about multiverse jumping?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (LvTSG)
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So much the better. With modern Disney properties, "less is more" fully applies.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (t0OGg)

92 Made by the same dude (well one of them - Feloni was part of "Clone Wars" and various other properties).

********

The Drinker commented that these actresses aren’t that insanely bad which means they must have been told to act stoic and have no personality and be all brooding like

If I wanted to watch that shit I’ll just watch a female weight lifting contest

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (VTu1l)

93 81 39 The last tv series I liked was Stranger Things.

Rick & Morty (prepared to dislike the new season with Roiland's absence)

Only Murders in the Building (I have a soft spot for Steve Martin, but am getting tired of the Selena Gomez character)
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 30, 2023 04:54 PM (GD2xa)

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It seems like Roiland had little to do with the show since the first season beyond doing the voices. Hell, he hasn't been interviewed on the 4 minute long behind the scenes featurettes for the individual episodes in years. There were rumors that he hadn't been in the office in years and that directors of the show had never met him in person.

I think Harmon just took over after a year and never looked back. It's why Roiland had time to go off and make Solar Opposites and some video games.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (LvTSG)

94 Someone needs to tell She-Hulk to calm down.
Posted by: Bacon Jeff at August 30, 2023 04:53 PM (VGRuw)
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Uh oh.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (QuNOR)

95 McConnell vapor-locking all the time is one of the fun parts of corrupt gerontocracy, like Brandon falling over, and Nadler pooping his pants, and Pelosi havering, and Feinstein crawling out of a mouldering coffin for work in the morning.

These are the good things. Savor the laughter, it's all you have left.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (0FoWg)

96 They made them special for women's month.
How do you tell everyone your candy bar was made for March
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 30, 2023 04:50 PM

Women's Month is right after Black History Month, and only a little before Pride Month? Wow, talk about being scissored between the highlights of the annual social calendar. Awkward!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (a3Q+t)

97 "Disney has The Marvels coming up in November, featuring a nominal lead that no one likes, and two minor characters introduced on D-Minus......."

I saw somewhere that the same week The Marvels comes out, so does Dune. IMAX has already booked Dune and completely passed on The Marvels.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (CjHGv)

98 Actually i mow the lawn and make dinner and do the dishes and then look at my steam catalog and say screw it in going to bed.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 04:56 PM (9UlRk)

99 Imagine traveling back in time to tell your 12 year old self "one day the star wars universe will be constant, with movies and TV shows coming out every season. You'll have the ability to watch the new releases in your home, with enormous screens and better than theater audio, and you won't care at all about seeing any of them, and neither will most anyone else."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at August 30, 2023 04:56 PM (sD7y4)

100 Samba and other analysis firms like Nielsen must estimate viewership based on inference.
Posted by: Walt Disney Company PR Department

There is a real risk that Samba viewers skew -- that is, people who use Samba are young or old or whatever and not families that tend to watch Disney. Any skew would be small though. I think, but I know nothing.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 30, 2023 04:56 PM (vK/Kb)

101 78 She-Hulk, so 25% weaker than He-Hulk
Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2023 04:53 PM (MOY79

And shreds 25% less clothing, unfortunately.

Or, fortunately.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 30, 2023 04:56 PM (oOdkd)

102 The time I would in the past have watched TV is mostly now podcast/videos.

Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, and for LULZ Brian Atlas are far more interesting then anything on TV now.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 04:56 PM (lc5cP)

103 This bikini brunette checked her list and found that she has literally *millions* of better things to do than watch The Marvels:
https://is.gd/0Toyfp

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:56 PM (t0OGg)

104 91 So much the better. With modern Disney properties, "less is more" fully applies.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (t0OGg)

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Less pain for those sitting through it, I guess. I have no plans.

But I fully expect the pared down to nothing, "quip" "action beat" "quip" "action beat" staccato nature of directionless MCU storytelling on display.

And the MCU shills will cry at all the emotion because the score is half-decent.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:57 PM (LvTSG)

105 and Pelosi havering

Points for using "havering" correctly and outside of a Proclaimers song.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 30, 2023 04:57 PM (I/Qkd)

106 The cure for She-Hulk is Mega Midol.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 30, 2023 04:57 PM (oOdkd)

107 If I wanted to watch that shit I’ll just watch a female weight lifting contest
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (VTu1l)

Do actual females still compete?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 30, 2023 04:57 PM (pohLc)

108 97 "Disney has The Marvels coming up in November, featuring a nominal lead that no one likes, and two minor characters introduced on D-Minus......."

I saw somewhere that the same week The Marvels comes out, so does Dune. IMAX has already booked Dune and completely passed on The Marvels.
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (CjHGv)

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Dune 2 has been pushed out to next year. Happened last week.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:57 PM (LvTSG)

109 I saw somewhere that the same week The Marvels comes out, so does Dune. IMAX has already booked Dune and completely passed on The Marvels.
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (CjHGv)
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I think they pushed Dune back to next year sometime.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:57 PM (t0OGg)

110 Hollywood and the media seems to think every time they make a movie with a STRONK FEMALE LEAD it is the first time ever in history that they’re doing that

Even when it’s the 500th movie in a row with a strong female lead

In 2023

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger at August 30, 2023 04:57 PM (VTu1l)

111 Also I'm guessing most of the true star wars types are pirating everything.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at August 30, 2023 04:58 PM (sD7y4)

112 These are the same people who created The Mandalorian. But with Kathy Kennedy watching over your shoulder...,not much altitude. Still , the Mandalorian was good. I see a tendency of people here to not watch , but fully criticize. "I watched one episode of GoT". The show sux!1!!"

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 04:58 PM (idBr5)

113 103 This bikini brunette checked her list and found that she has literally *millions* of better things to do than watch The Marvels:
https://is.gd/0Toyfp
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:56 PM (t0OGg)

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Oh, dear lord, those fingernails.

1/10

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:58 PM (LvTSG)

114 ... But I fully expect the pared down to nothing, "quip" "action beat" "quip" "action beat" staccato nature of directionless MCU storytelling on display. ...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:57 PM (LvTSG)
++++
Boom. Nailed it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 30, 2023 04:58 PM (t0OGg)

115 The real question is will they keep making go gurrl garbage until the stock value is listed on the penny exchange?

This shit doesn't sell.

Was enjoying Only murders in the building with Steve martin short.......right up till season two when Selina gomez started kissing Frieda kahlo. Nope
Just gotta go there in every tv show.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at August 30, 2023 04:58 PM (eggM4)

116 It could likely be argued that should be the gauge of star wars nerd level.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at August 30, 2023 04:58 PM (sD7y4)

117 The top three porn websites get about 135,000 new website visits per minute.

I mention that for absolutely now reason at all in Disney Minus thread.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 30, 2023 04:59 PM (Edo3/)

118 @80: "Also, it's come out that The Marvels will be a grand 98 minutes long."

Good choice given all recent Marvel movies have been creeping into the mid-two-hour range and been criticized as bloated for no good character or storyline reasons.

Also suggests that Disney expects the movie to skew much younger than normal.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 30, 2023 04:59 PM (k1Qly)

119 > Still , the Mandalorian was good.

I loved season one and two. Season three was meh.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2023 04:59 PM (0N1h0)

120 112 These are the same people who created The Mandalorian. But with Kathy Kennedy watching over your shoulder...,not much altitude. Still , the Mandalorian was good. I see a tendency of people here to not watch , but fully criticize. "I watched one episode of GoT". The show sux!1!!"
Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 04:58 PM (idBr5)

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Season 1 of Mando was good and incredibly safe. Werner Herzog was the best thing about it and he had about 5 minutes of screentime.

Season 2 was...kind of dull but largely inoffensive Star Wars content.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:59 PM (LvTSG)

121 This reminds me, I saw a Hershey bar in a vending machine last weekend that was spelled HER SHE with a picture of some chick on it. I was rolling my eyes too hard to see who it was.
Posted by: Jordan61

Probably not actually a chick.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 30, 2023 05:00 PM (kjOVp)

122 I mention that for absolutely now reason at all in Disney Minus thread.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 30, 2023 04:59 PM (Edo3/)

We're trying to talk about disgusting perverted nonsense here. Don't go bringing porn into it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 05:00 PM (9UlRk)

123 These Disney people are not only perverted and freaky, they are just plain dumb and stupid. Clearly, Kelly Lee needs to be fired so she can focus on her Marxist NGO work.

Posted by: william ferrin at August 30, 2023 05:00 PM (0xAYO)

124 I’ve noticed a lot of action movies now have female leads and whimpy men.

No one wants to watch that.

Maybe someday a filmmaker will
Just make a great movie with an interesting plot line, good characters and no Woke stuff.

It would probably do very well.

Posted by: Czech Chick at August 30, 2023 05:00 PM (0rsFX)

125 How to save Disney minus?

I know!!...hire Gina Carano and cast her in "Mandalorian"!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 30, 2023 05:00 PM (QuNOR)

126 Why does Hulk lose his shirt when he hulks out but She Hulk doesn't?

Posted by: Some Moron at August 30, 2023 05:00 PM (lc5cP)

127 It seems like Roiland had little to do with the show since the first season beyond doing the voices. Hell, he hasn't been interviewed on the 4 minute long behind the scenes featurettes for the individual episodes in years. There were rumors that he hadn't been in the office in years and that directors of the show had never met him in person.

I think Harmon just took over after a year and never looked back. It's why Roiland had time to go off and make Solar Opposites and some video games.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 04:55 PM (LvTSG)

Fair point. Roiland's whole shtick in creating R&M was to point out how wierd Doc & Marty's relationship was in BttF, which makes for good character dynamics but doesn't tell actual stories. Still, I'll miss his voice work ... the aggravated stuttering, the drunken improv.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (GD2xa)

128 Just curious. Does the Disney viewer multiplier include pets? Because I'm Thinking it does.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (Edo3/)

129 The unknown superhero -probably Spectrum (I think that's one of the names she went by at one point) went by the name Captain Marvel, at one point, when the original alien male hero of that name was dead, and before the current one started using it. Thus why she's in a show called "Marvels".

And I liked her back then. But Marvel apparently couldn't figure out what to do with her beyond "supporting character on the Avengers", dropped her for a while, and then occasionally brought her back under different names (since they kept giving her names to other characters).

As for Ahsoka, the numbers are worse than I think you realize. Rebels was a popular animated Star Wars series. The leads in Ahsoka are basically the surviving leads from Rebels, and their motivation is to find the MIA member of their team. Thrawn, who has been teased in the trailers, was the villain of the later seasons of Rebels, and went MIA along with the missing team member. So Ahsoka is being advertised as the continuation of a popular series... and still doing poorly.

Posted by: junior at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (VAV9W)

130 Asoka had a great character arc in the Clone Wars and Rebels. One of my favorite characters, with depth and struggles. No Mary Sue. Too bad I don't watch that bantha poo doo anymore since The Last Jedi garbage.

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (5DTn7)

131 I'd watch Atomic Blonde 2.

I think it's the only female led action movie of the last 15 years I can say that too, though, and I've seen a good number of them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (LvTSG)

132 While it may not be fair, but Kathleen Kennedy destroyed Star Wars for me. Even the originals. She singlehandedly destroyed a fantastic franchise, and no one had the balls to fire this bitch.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (d2bW3)

133 We're trying to talk about disgusting perverted nonsense here. Don't go bringing porn into it.

Well, both involve tentacles, although Ahhhhsooooo-ka has cranial tentacles, which is a bit out there.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (I/Qkd)

134 Actually i mow the lawn and make dinner and do the dishes and then look at my steam catalog and say screw it in going to bed.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 04:56 PM (9UlRk)

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I really need to get my own Steam account. I keep using my son's and buying games on it and he's starting to get pissed at me.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (DRSnL)

135 Why does Hulk lose his shirt when he hulks out but She Hulk doesn't?
Posted by: Some Moron at August 30, 2023 05:00 PM (lc5cP)

SHOW ME DEM TEEN GRITTIES!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (9UlRk)

136 She Hulk?
If the puthy is green it must be unclean!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (vNLg3)

137 Since it's a movie thread, Dungeons and dragons is fun. I don't know why they had to curse so much in what would be a perfect 11-14 year old boy adventure movie, but people don't think anything about cursing around kids any longer.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (sD7y4)

138 Looking at most of Mannix's models, I'm wondering what the annual usage of fake boob silicone is. Must be substantial. Measured in cubic miles?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 30, 2023 05:02 PM (pohLc)

139 127 Fair point. Roiland's whole shtick in creating R&M was to point out how wierd Doc & Marty's relationship was in BttF, which makes for good character dynamics but doesn't tell actual stories. Still, I'll miss his voice work ... the aggravated stuttering, the drunken improv.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 30, 2023 05:01 PM (GD2xa)

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I imagine the "voice-alike" will overdo the burbs and stuff at first, just to overcompensate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:02 PM (LvTSG)

140 > Selina gomez started kissing Frieda kahlo.

Commie scrunt Kahlo should have shaved her unibrow.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2023 05:02 PM (0N1h0)

141 "Multiplying by four is not an acceptable fudge factor any longer."

It may be valid in this case if you count cats as viewers.

Posted by: Simple Stevo at August 30, 2023 05:02 PM (Dgo06)

142 In the clips of Ahsoka I've seen (from YouTubers ripping on the show), there's a green general lady who has a pretty face that caught my eye. Couldn't find a great picture of her to share, but this is close: https://tinyurl.com/ct94n5er

Actresses name is Mary Elizabeth Winstead...never heard of her. Like many women, her appearance can vary WILDLY based on hair, makeup, photo angle, etc. But this seems about "normal" for her sans vert makeup (some fancy French for Ace thrown in there): https://tinyurl.com/7st42dpp

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 30, 2023 05:02 PM (JCZqz)

143 I'd watch Atomic Blonde 2.

I think it's the only female led action movie of the last 15 years I can say that too, though, and I've seen a good number of them.

Note - the second female lead in Atomic Blonde isn't.

Makes those love scenes between him and Charlize a lot weirder.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 05:02 PM (lc5cP)

144 Disney is so close to selling woke. Just a few more flops and they are there.

Posted by: Roberto at August 30, 2023 05:03 PM (bkf/+)

145 Ratings Smatings...I've developed my own basis of determining whether something is worth watching.

Would I watch this....or...would I prefer to watch some inbred idiot light farts with a bic lighter while sitting next to a leaking propane tank?

It's hard to find something that fills the void these days.

Posted by: Orson at August 30, 2023 05:03 PM (dIske)

146 >>>I know!!...hire Gina Carano and cast her in "Mandalorian"!

Posted by: Huck Follywood

She's a good actress for the most part, and she was better than the lead. I feel bad for her after the left went to destroy her.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 30, 2023 05:03 PM (d2bW3)

147 141 "Multiplying by four is not an acceptable fudge factor any longer."

It may be valid in this case if you count cats as viewers.
Posted by: Simple Stevo at August 30, 2023 05:02 PM (Dgo06)

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"I'm tellin' ya! Cat purchasing power is through the roof!"
"Who are you talking to?"
"Our advertisers."
"We don't have advertisers. We're Disney+."
"Well, what do we have?"
"A bunch of kids watching Bluey on repeat."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:03 PM (LvTSG)

148 Actresses name is Mary Elizabeth Winstead...never heard of her. Like many women, her appearance can vary WILDLY based on hair, makeup, photo angle, etc. But this seems about "normal" for her sans vert makeup (some fancy French for Ace thrown in there): https://tinyurl.com/7st42dpp

She was in Scott Pilgrim with Brie Larson.

They both looked good though you can see where Larson is way too comfortable sporting RBF most of the time.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 05:04 PM (lc5cP)

149 I tried showing Ms. Marvel to my elementary school-age daughters (who I wrongly presumed to be the target market) when it hit Disney+ and they wanted nothing to do with it. Apparently the market that Disney is so eager to please, childless women and men with stunted development, doesn't show up except on Twitter to demand MOAR REPRESENTATION!!1!!

Posted by: Xander Crews at August 30, 2023 05:04 PM (MpOGS)

150 I assumed Ashoka was the stripper who danced for Jabba the Hut, at least that show would have had some viewers.

Posted by: Rbastid at August 30, 2023 05:04 PM (jdUof)

151 My brother got me the Rick and Morty box set for Christmas one year. I've seen only one episode. I liked it, but I have so many other movies and shows in the queue. I better hurry. I've been 29 for a while now.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, A.A.S. Drafting Technology at August 30, 2023 05:04 PM (T/Lqj)

152 I tried watching Dungeon & Dragons and a girl boss kicked some monster in the nuts within the first minute.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at August 30, 2023 05:04 PM (oOdkd)

153 @92: "... act stoic and have no personality and be all brooding like"

Drinker and friends mocked the slow motion atmospheric stuff too. Too much walking, staring, barely talking, more walking with even more panoramic views, etc. They didn't really talk about the why though.

I don't think they're trying to write the powerful female characters as male per se; or that they don't know how to write traditionally strong female characters.

I suspect they think stoicism will appear to male audiences regardless of character gender, and somehow, this style of "epic" storytelling will win back the male audience despite the abundance of female leads.

It seems like weirdly desperate reverse engineering.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 30, 2023 05:04 PM (k1Qly)

154 I'm thinking Disney should get into the fight business. I would love to see Gina Carrano knock the snot out of that Snow White chick.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 30, 2023 05:04 PM (Edo3/)

155 How to turn Disney-minus into Ddisney -- "Club 33" shows on the Disney Channel, the channel with all topless, all the time, EE boobies.

Posted by: Marooned at August 30, 2023 05:05 PM (kt8QE)

156 Actresses name is Mary Elizabeth Winstead...never heard of her.

She was in one of the seasons of Fargo, played Ewan MacGregor's main squeeze. Very attractive.

Posted by: spindrift at August 30, 2023 05:05 PM (y3wha)

157 >>>I'm thinking Disney should get into the fight business. I would love to see Gina Carrano knock the snot out of that Snow White chick.

Posted by: Marcus T

I'd pay to see that.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 30, 2023 05:05 PM (d2bW3)

158 I tried watching Dungeon & Dragons and a girl boss kicked some monster in the nuts within the first minute.

That's about the worst part of that movie though at least they sort of give it an explanation in that she's not a normal human.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 05:05 PM (lc5cP)

159 They could just paint Stacey Abrams green and send her out to ramble at the camera. That would be about as productive as "she-hulk."

When did adults decide to be children?

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 30, 2023 05:05 PM (LOVUx)

160 156 Actresses name is Mary Elizabeth Winstead...never heard of her.

She was in one of the seasons of Fargo, played Ewan MacGregor's main squeeze. Very attractive.
Posted by: spindrift at August 30, 2023 05:05 PM (y3wha)

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They divorced their spouses and married each other in real life.

She was also the cheerleader in Death Proof.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:05 PM (LvTSG)

161 While it may not be fair, but Kathleen Kennedy destroyed Star Wars for me. Even the originals. She singlehandedly destroyed a fantastic franchise, and no one had the balls to fire this bitch.

Rumor is that she had a contract that stated she could not be fired for cause. IOW, they'd have to catch her doing something that was actually illegal to get rid of her. I imagine Disney is now furiously digging through absolutely everything to find evidence of anything that could be considered a crime.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 30, 2023 05:06 PM (Bd6X8)

162 126 Why does Hulk lose his shirt when he hulks out but She Hulk doesn't?
Posted by: Some Moron at August 30, 2023 05:00 PM

Because She-Hulk is a woman and has much less upper body strength?

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 30, 2023 05:06 PM (JCZqz)

163 >Actresses name is Mary Elizabeth Winstead...

she played a cheerleader in Death Proof

Posted by: DB - early edition at August 30, 2023 05:06 PM (geLO8)

164 It's only 5pm?
Seems like it should be 7pm at least

Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2023 05:06 PM (MOY79)

165 *appeal not appear

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (k1Qly)

166 eff it

Posted by: DB - early edition at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (geLO8)

167 "157 >>>I'm thinking Disney should get into the fight business. I would love to see Gina Carrano knock the snot out of that Snow White chick.

Posted by: Marcus T

I'd pay to see that.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 30, 2023 05:05 PM (d2bW3)"

Can to imagine a whole fight series? Next up, the Little Mermaid gets filleted.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (Edo3/)

168 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:05 PM (LvTSG)

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I watched the first two episodes of Taskmaster last night. The Indian guy is a riot.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (DRSnL)

169 Dune 2 has been pushed out to next year. Happened last week.
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I think they pushed Dune back to next year sometime.
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Damn, well I guess Disney will still shit the bed.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (CjHGv)

170 tried watching Dungeon & Dragons and a girl boss kicked some monster in the nuts within the first minute.
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That's about the worst part of that movie though at least they sort of give it an explanation in that she's not a normal human.

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Yep. I'm pretty comfortable with that sort of thing in fantasy or superhero movies. It's got to have some basis in the world, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (sD7y4)

171 It narrowcasts to one specific niche (which is almost always White Leftwing Urban Woman, which just happens to also be the demographic of most TV executives).
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But if you count their cats, then viewership is through the roof.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (kDgKe)

172 Actresses name is Mary Elizabeth Winstead...

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She is meh, and the only reason she got that job is because she is Ewan McGregor's new wife. But the character she plays is one if the main ones from rebels. Now awful but they could have sone better.

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (idBr5)

173 Disney is now furiously digging through absolutely everything to find evidence of anything that could be considered a crime.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 30, 2023 05:06 PM (Bd6X

Her face.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (0FoWg)

174 It seems like weirdly desperate reverse engineering.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 30, 2023 05:04 PM (k1Qly)

Only idiots who have no idea what a woman is can write so badly and insultingly about women heroes.

I need a good move about St. Hildegarde of Bingen. Or maybe St. Teresa of Avila. Certainly about St. Catherine of Sienna.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (LOVUx)

175 * not awful but they could have done better

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:08 PM (idBr5)

176 The D&D chick is also unattractive and fairly stupid, so that's an unusual bit of actual storytelling there, too

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at August 30, 2023 05:09 PM (sD7y4)

177 168 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:05 PM (LvTSG)

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I watched the first two episodes of Taskmaster last night. The Indian guy is a riot.
Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (DRSnL)

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It's weird how the show is largely exactly the same except for some minor differences (Greg does his opening and closing monologues from his chair instead of standing up) fifteen seasons later.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:09 PM (LvTSG)

178 172 Now awful but they could have sone better.
Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM

Typos aside, this is considered spectacular success on the Disney Star Wars grading curve.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 30, 2023 05:09 PM (JCZqz)

179 Also, Cinderella gets impales with a glass slipper heel.

I have all these good ideas. Why can't I get invited to a pitch meeting??

Posted by: Marcus T at August 30, 2023 05:09 PM (Edo3/)

180 162 126 Why does Hulk lose his shirt when he hulks out but She Hulk doesn't?
Posted by: Some Moron at August 30, 2023 05:00 PM

Because She-Hulk is a woman and has much less upper body strength?
Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 30, 2023 05:06 PM (JCZqz)

Oh come on, he just wants to see her hulked-up tits.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 30, 2023 05:09 PM (LOVUx)

181 Season 2 was...kind of dull but largely inoffensive Star Wars content.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

S2 was very good. S3... had issues

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:09 PM (idBr5)

182 @142: "Actresses name is Mary Elizabeth Winstead..."

Did season three (2017) of Fargo with Ewan McGregor who then divorced his wife three years later and married Winstead two years after that.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 30, 2023 05:09 PM (k1Qly)

183 Drinker? Platoon? I don't know, somebody, they pointed out that Disney bought Star Wars because Disney is a Girl Brand, and Star Wars is a Boy brand, and they wanted to speak to boys more.

And then did exactly not that.

It's almost as if the people behind acquiring the brand, and the people behind actually doing something with it, are two different people.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 05:09 PM (9UlRk)

184 The D&D chick is also unattractive and fairly stupid, so that's an unusual bit of actual storytelling there, too

They gave the protagonists flaws which generally makes them more interesting.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 05:10 PM (lc5cP)

185 And to think we laughed at Soviet films that showed sturdy peasant youths on tractors and healthy peasant girls assisting them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 30, 2023 05:10 PM (kDgKe)

186 181 Season 2 was...kind of dull but largely inoffensive Star Wars content.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

S2 was very good. S3... had issues
Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:09 PM (idBr5)

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I think precious few people understand how to do long-form visual storytelling, and I find myself losing interest in shows pretty consistently because they tend to just wander about largely aimlessly.

Plus, young Luke Skywalker did nothing for me. I think I'm immune to memberries.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:10 PM (LvTSG)

187 185 And to think we laughed at Soviet films that showed sturdy peasant youths on tractors and healthy peasant girls assisting them.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 30, 2023 05:10 PM (kDgKe)

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The Soviet films I know are a bit different from that...

Come and see what I mean:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yjEyIHVNd-A

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:11 PM (LvTSG)

188 How about a remake of Beauty and the Beast, where the main female character starts out as a tavern wench and slut?

C'mon it has a happy ending.

Where the hell is Kathleen Kennedy when you need her?

Posted by: Marcus T at August 30, 2023 05:11 PM (Edo3/)

189 A movie about a woman using her natural woman talents and gifts (no silly kickboxing OR MMA fighting) to accomplish a task, get men to do the dangerous and physical stuff, and save the world with what makes women awesome in real life would be an enormous moneymaker, and they can never make that movie.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at August 30, 2023 05:12 PM (sD7y4)

190 Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 30, 2023 05:07 PM (LOVUx)

There is a movie coming out about St, Frances Cabrini. I think it's made by the same studio that made "Sound of Freedom."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 30, 2023 05:12 PM (RSbhh)

191 Oh come on, he just wants to see her hulked-up tits.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief

She-Hulk's breasts when angry shrink against the muscle. Hopefully she doesn't get implants, then get angry. They'd explode all over the place!

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at August 30, 2023 05:12 PM (mNmNo)

192 TJM, you might be losing interest because you watch so very many of them. More than average person.

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:12 PM (idBr5)

193 Where the hell is Kathleen Kennedy when you need her?
Posted by: Marcus T at August 30, 2023 05:11 PM (Edo3/)

Wenching and slutting?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 05:12 PM (9UlRk)

194 They gave the protagonists flaws which generally makes them more interesting.
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It's weird how interesting stories work.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at August 30, 2023 05:13 PM (sD7y4)

195 @183: "And then did exactly not that."

I vaguely remember that discussion. It's weird to think of Disney as a girl brand though. Maybe today, sure, okay, but when did that change? I always thought of Disney as family friendly kid targeted entertainment with no particular gender skew.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 30, 2023 05:14 PM (k1Qly)

196 They gave the protagonists flaws which generally makes them more interesting.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 05:10 PM (lc5cP)

Remember when you would always have the thing where the hero gets the absolute crap beaten out of him by the villain. Crisis of confidence. Something happens and he is filled with determination. Training montage. Barely manages to defeat villain.

Almost all of these have the hero skip over all of that. It is not just because they are women, these people do not know how to tell a story. And it is not just characterization.

I mentioned this in an earlier thread today, the romance was not the only thing in Little Mermaid or Snow White- but it was a driving factor in the story and/or story resolution.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:14 PM (iM+rR)

197 194 They gave the protagonists flaws which generally makes them more interesting.
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It's weird how interesting stories work.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at August 30, 2023 05:13 PM (sD7y4)

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This kind of started in earnest in the 80s with the rise of the "likeable" lead as a dominating force in American commercial filmmaking.

I'm happy to watch There Will Be Blood at any time, but many people have trouble with it because Daniel Plainview is a giant asshole.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:14 PM (LvTSG)

198 That Pitch Meeting for She-Hulk paints a very grim picture.

Posted by: t-bird at August 30, 2023 05:15 PM (CaJIi)

199 Why does Hulk lose his shirt when he hulks out but She Hulk doesn't?
Posted by: Some Moron at August 30, 2023 05:00 PM (lc5cP)

Spanx.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 30, 2023 05:15 PM (BdMk6)

200 For a war film viewer, many seen dozens of times, Come and See I saw once and was enough.

Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2023 05:15 PM (MOY79)

201 Plus, young Luke Skywalker did nothing for me. I think I'm immune to memberries.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:10 PM (LvTSG)

I can't stand nostalgia. That's the past, this is now, get over it.

It's one of the reasons I'm glad culture sucks so much at the moment. Future generations will say "'member when The Flash... wait... member when Billie Eilish... wait... member when... wait... everything sucked donkey balls!

I think we're going to have to do something new and cool."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 30, 2023 05:16 PM (0FoWg)

202 I generally watch a show or two at night, I've got a wide array of streaming services thanks to the cheap Black Friday deals.

They're hasn't been a shoe Ive really enjoyed. Good Omens 2 was fun, but rather pointless. I'm about to finish season 1 of Joe Picket, which is pretty unoriginal. Tokyo Vice was good, but more for the look and feeling almost of a 90s noir anime, but story and acting aren't great. Billions Season 6 became communist propiganda that tries to justify government using its power for petty revenge. Bear 2 felt like they had 2 pages of script and just added filler (plus a show about Italians without a single Italian) Just started The Offer and it feels campy in a bad way. Evil went from being interesting to just feeling complete Anti-Christian. Just started Your Homor, which already seems predictable and where they just make everything dark to claim it's good cinematography. Barry has become shitier and shitier by the season.

The Resort hasn't been bad. Same with That Fool which is very funny.

Maybe this strike will bring a reset, if they feel ther country leaning back towards Trump, they could do the same with programming.

Posted by: Rbastid at August 30, 2023 05:16 PM (jdUof)

203 Pretty sure the Ahsoka is in the deadly Nightshade family.

Posted by: What, What? at August 30, 2023 05:16 PM (PWI4f)

204 A movie about a woman using her natural woman talents and gifts (no silly kickboxing OR MMA fighting) to accomplish a task, get men to do the dangerous and physical stuff, and save the world with what makes women awesome in real life would be an enormous moneymaker, and they can never make that movie.

Pitch it to Angel Studios. They seem to do OK with material nobody else will touch.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 30, 2023 05:16 PM (Bd6X8)

205 My Daughter has Disney + and I have it if I want.. Wink, wink... I don't want

Posted by: It's me donna at August 30, 2023 05:17 PM (bs+z0)

206 I always thought of Disney as family friendly kid targeted entertainment with no particular gender skew.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 30, 2023 05:14 PM (k1Qly)

Dunno. I guess Disney female leads are princesses, but the male leads are dogs or lions or demigods or Persian hobos or whatever.... so there's always been a more coherent "Disney Girl" image than a "Disney Boy" image?

I have no idea. Just a slapdash thought.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 05:17 PM (9UlRk)

207 My 18-year-old daughter hasn't watched an actual TV show in almost 10 years. It's all YouTooob and other online offerings.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at August 30, 2023 05:17 PM (6xRrr)

208 The Soviet films I know are a bit different from that...

Come and see what I mean:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yjEyIHVNd-A
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:11 PM (LvTSG)
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That was from 2017, wasn't it? Post-Soviet.

Here's what I was thinking of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBPASGRjv4

You want blatant, feel-good propaganda ... you got it! Hollywood eat your heart out.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 30, 2023 05:17 PM (kDgKe)

209 You know what was decent? The Amazon version of the Tick.

I bet it gets more repeat views than their abomination masquerading as the Wheel of Time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:17 PM (iM+rR)

210 I'll never understand twerking. I like slutty, in the right contexts, but twerking is some low-rent, I-grew-u-without-a-daddy shit.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 30, 2023 05:18 PM (ppBhU)

211 Almost all of these have the hero skip over all of that. It is not just because they are women, these people do not know how to tell a story. And it is not just characterization.

I mentioned this in an earlier thread today, the romance was not the only thing in Little Mermaid or Snow White- but it was a driving factor in the story and/or story resolution.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:14 PM (iM+rR)
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I believe I responded to your earlier post agreeing that today's Hollywood writer has no concept of the craft of storytelling. They've never been taught how to write a story. They've never had to hone their craft through constant rejection.

When John W. Campbell started editing science fiction stories, his ONE GOAL was that all of the authors he published would tell STORIES, not the pulp that they had been publishing before. The cream really rose to the top so we had a golden age of science fiction for a few decades. Even the New Age science fiction writers embraced that ethos thanks to pioneers like Harlan Ellison and Michael Moorcock.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 30, 2023 05:18 PM (YIVH2)

212 @33

>>She-Hulk?
I don't think that series will ever move my wtf meter off of all the way over past the red zone of the gauge.

All they had to do was shoot it like John Byrne drew it and mashed it together with a slight twist on Aly McBeal down to the dancing baby and Peter MacNicol bathroom dismounts and they would have had a hit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 30, 2023 05:18 PM (up/3i)

213 208 That was from 2017, wasn't it? Post-Soviet.

Here's what I was thinking of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBPASGRjv4

You want blatant, feel-good propaganda ... you got it! Hollywood eat your heart out.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 30, 2023 05:17 PM (kDgKe

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The restoration was from 2017, but the movie is late Soviet. 87, I think.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 30, 2023 05:18 PM (LvTSG)

214 I'm thinking Disney should get into the fight business. I would love to see Gina Carrano knock the snot out of that Snow White chick.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 30, 2023 05:04 PM (Edo3/)

Id like to see her beat the piss out of the douche face from Last of Us who cried about her tweets and pushed to get her fired (despite him constantly calling people nazis)

Maybe she can make his head explode like it did in Game of Thrones.

Posted by: Rbastid at August 30, 2023 05:18 PM (jdUof)

215 I'm happy to watch There Will Be Blood at any time, but many people have trouble with it because Daniel Plainview is a giant asshole.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:14 PM (LvTSG)

"Many people" are stupid. It is an excellent movie precisely because of the character's many flaws.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 30, 2023 05:18 PM (lQONO)

216 Why does Hulk lose his shirt when he hulks out but She Hulk doesn't?

You just need the right tailor.

Posted by: Michelle at August 30, 2023 05:18 PM (CaJIi)

217 Was in Walmart yesterday and saw the candy equivalent of this bullshit.

Remember Cracker Jack?

Yup...

Cracker Jill.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 30, 2023 05:19 PM (1n+EO)

218 I'm not watching as fast as I can.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at August 30, 2023 05:19 PM (NBVIP)

219 I'm happy to watch There Will Be Blood at any time, but many people have trouble with it because Daniel Plainview is a giant asshole.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 30, 2023 05:14 PM (LvTSG)

Am i the only one who loves that character?

When you're surrounded by assholes, be the bigger asshole.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 05:19 PM (9UlRk)

220 I bet it gets more repeat views than their abomination masquerading as the Wheel of Time.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:17 PM (iM+rR)
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It's the only show adaptation that destroyed the source material within the first one minute of the show. Quite an achievement. Even Rings of Power couldn't do it, though they tried.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 30, 2023 05:19 PM (YIVH2)

221 Whatever happened to that Russian superhero movie that was getting a lot of press a few years ago?

I remember they had a werebear that had a chaingun because of course they would.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 30, 2023 05:19 PM (lc5cP)

222 Cracker Jill.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 30, 2023 05:19 PM (1n+EO)

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Oh FFS

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 30, 2023 05:19 PM (DRSnL)

223 When John W. Campbell started editing science fiction stories, his ONE GOAL was that all of the authors he published would tell STORIES, not the pulp that they had been publishing before. The cream really rose to the top so we had a golden age of science fiction for a few decades. Even the New Age science fiction writers embraced that ethos thanks to pioneers like Harlan Ellison and Michael Moorcock.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 30, 2023 05:18 PM (YIVH2)

Have you ever read the old John Carter books?

Threat. John Carter is awesome and destroys threat.

Woman under threat. John Carter (or whatever analogue of him) destroys threat and saves girl. They have babies.

The setting was enough to keep it interesting for a few books, but it did get really old.

And most modern shit lacks even the charm those books had.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:20 PM (iM+rR)

224 "Oh FFS"

They seemed to have plenty of it.

And I think it was on sale.

Just like the Bud Light.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 30, 2023 05:21 PM (1n+EO)

225 I'll never understand twerking. I like slutty, in the right contexts, but twerking is some low-rent, I-grew-u-without-a-daddy shit.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 30, 2023 05:18 PM (ppBhU)
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The origin of twerking:

https://twitter.com/gorillasdaily/status/1452645598310637569

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 30, 2023 05:21 PM (kDgKe)

226 Well, if you want good TV, you can always watch subbed K-Dramas!

Not really joking on that one-last night I watched the first few episodes of "Memorist," which is about a police detective who can sort through people's memories by touching them. Pretty good, but Korean writers know how to hit you in the feeeeeeels.

Posted by: pookysgirl knows like three words in Korean at August 30, 2023 05:21 PM (dtlDP)

227 Yeah, nothing screams I'll never meet your parents like a chick twerking.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2023 05:22 PM (mZ3xv)

228 @186: "how to do long-form visual storytelling ..."

Long form also begs for character driven storytelling with more unspoken internal and interpersonal conflict. Seems obvious now, but a movie franchise hellbent on selling kids toys doesn't seem like a good fit for television. There once was an expectation that Star Wars shows would somehow be more thoughtful and grown up, but they didn't start there, and who knows how big that audience really is. It could be too niche for big money returns like Star Trek was before they tried turning that into Star Wars. Disney tried with The Mandalorian, but that quickly morphed into a Baby Yoda show.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at August 30, 2023 05:22 PM (k1Qly)

229 The setting was enough to keep it interesting for a few books, but it did get really old.

And most modern shit lacks even the charm those books had.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:20 PM (iM+rR)
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That's exactly what Campbell was trying to get away from. Sure, he had some blind spots when it came to science fiction ("humans are awesome, always!") but he completely revolutionized the storytelling that many authors were attempting at that time. They had to work their asses off under Campbell's strict mentorship to hone their craft.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 30, 2023 05:22 PM (YIVH2)

230 > I'm happy to watch There Will Be Blood at any time, but many people have trouble with it because Daniel Plainview is a giant asshole.

Also, Upton Sinclair's 'Oil!' was commie agit-prop.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2023 05:23 PM (0N1h0)

231 Yeah, free the hulkette boobs! Down with the patriarchy that keeps boobs hidden!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2023 05:23 PM (mZ3xv)

232 They don't only not know how to tell a story, they don't know how to live a life. They have no conception of toil or adversity or overcoming setbacks, because they've never done that. They imagine toil (i have to go to work to earn money?!) or setbacks (i didn't get the one job i applied for?!) in their life... but it isn't real, so they can't even conceptualize the thing you would even write a story *about*, let alone pull it together into a compelling and worthwhile narration.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 05:23 PM (9UlRk)

233 Also, Upton Sinclair's 'Oil!' was commie agit-prop.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2023 05:23 PM (0N1h0)
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To get real insight into the leftist mindset, watch "Gabriel Over the White House."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 30, 2023 05:24 PM (kDgKe)

234 Just a note: Mr Belvedere in the 1980s had 22 million viewers a week in its prime.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 30, 2023 05:25 PM (cMXNt)

235
I'd love to see a group of disgruntled fans rent a flying banner service that circles Disney day after day.

"DISNEY -- WE DON'T WANT YOUR SHIT"

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 30, 2023 05:25 PM (lCaJd)

236 I want the Hollywood strike to keep going until they break the unions, fuck those commies.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 30, 2023 05:25 PM (hAL05)

237 234 Just a note: Mr Belvedere in the 1980s had 22 million viewers a week in its prime.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 30, 2023 05:25 PM (cMXNt

Cosby had a lot too.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2023 05:25 PM (mZ3xv)

238 > "Many people" are stupid. It is an excellent movie precisely because of the character's many flaws.

Fantastic storytelling, amazing acting, very competent camerawork, but it's still commie agit-prop.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 30, 2023 05:25 PM (0N1h0)

239 I think a contract where someone can't be fired "for cause" would be found unconscionable.

And "cause" for firing everyone involved in drafting and approving and even knowing about that contract.

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 30, 2023 05:26 PM (Sn4Zw)

240 Have you ever read the old John Carter books?

Threat. John Carter is awesome and destroys threat.

Woman under threat. John Carter (or whatever analogue of him) destroys threat and saves girl. They have babies.

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This reminds me of Bill the Galactic Hero (intergalactic? It's been a while)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't ask me to accept what you are when you refused to accept what you are at August 30, 2023 05:26 PM (sD7y4)

241 I watched Andor and actually enjoyed it. It took a couple of episodes to get rolling but I thought it was good. Very different from normal Star Wars. No Jedi or Sith, and very few Stormtroopers. It is much more character driven.

Posted by: Eric at August 30, 2023 05:26 PM (a2F+C)

242 Some know how to tell a story, but then Diversity and Inclusion butts in.

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:26 PM (idBr5)

243 Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 30, 2023 05:22 PM (YIVH2)

I am trying to think of a modern author that does not follow those rules that is not woke.

...

Thomas Covenant maybe. But the books have him go on a 'journey' of character development and he is slightly less of a complete repellent asshole at the end.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:26 PM (iM+rR)

244 Daniel Day Lewis really had a string of hits.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2023 05:26 PM (mZ3xv)

245 The origin of twerking:
twitter.com/gorillasdaily/status/1452645598310637569

Hey, it's working. I got room on my laptop for another vid...

Posted by: Hunter Biden at August 30, 2023 05:27 PM (CaJIi)

246 Andor was ghey propaganda. Oh look! War is tough in this same sex couple!

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:27 PM (idBr5)

247 *on this , lol

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:28 PM (idBr5)

248 Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 05:23 PM (9UlRk)

I watched Tucker's 25-min speech in Hungary the other day. Something he said that struck me was his observation that the modern left lives in a prison-like state, especially in NYC. They live in tiny apartments (cells), they're cut off from the outside world, and their food is delivered by poorly-paid immigrants. No wonder they're miserable!

Posted by: pookysgirl got plenty of outside time today helping fix the A/C at August 30, 2023 05:28 PM (dtlDP)

249 George the Pirate definitely has the characters suffer, but they still go on journeys.

I hate those fucking books. Pure misery porn.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:29 PM (iM+rR)

250 This reminds me of Bill the Galactic Hero (intergalactic? It's been a while)

Must be an officer, his name's got two "l"s in it.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 30, 2023 05:29 PM (Bd6X8)

251 Writer for she-hulk passing and moaning that residual check came to $396. Anyone else think he was over-compensated?

Posted by: KJP is a race and gender swapped Side Show Bob at August 30, 2023 05:29 PM (QpUKb)

252 Started watching There Will be Blood once, couldn't get into it

Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2023 05:29 PM (MOY79)

253 Besides, Andor is not Star Wars. It's Star Wars adjacent. Barely.

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:30 PM (idBr5)

254 Deplorable Jay watching your link

Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2023 05:30 PM (MOY79)

255 I watched Tucker's 25-min speech in Hungary the other day. Something he said that struck me was his observation that the modern left lives in a prison-like state, especially in NYC. They live in tiny apartments (cells), they're cut off from the outside world, and their food is delivered by poorly-paid immigrants. No wonder they're miserable!
Posted by: pookysgirl got plenty of outside time today helping fix the A/C at August 30, 2023 05:28 PM (dtlDP)
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It's why they really struggle to understand anyone who lives outside that prison.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 30, 2023 05:30 PM (YIVH2)

256 All I watch are reruns of series that I like.

Breaking bad, the office, sons of anarchy, etc etc etc

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2023 05:30 PM (mZ3xv)

257 237 234 Just a note: Mr Belvedere in the 1980s had 22 million viewers a week in its prime.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 30, 2023 05:25 PM (cMXNt

Cosby had a lot too.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 30, 2023 05:25 PM (mZ3xv)

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Sure but Cosby was a #1 show for years (amazing considering how racist Americans are). Mr Belvedere barely ever cracked the top 10.

Mr Belvedere was an ABC property so Disney out to do a gritty reboot that we’ve all been waiting for.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 30, 2023 05:30 PM (cMXNt)

258
they don't know how to live a life. They have no conception of toil or adversity or overcoming setbacks, because they've never done that. They imagine toil (i have to go to work to earn money?!) or setbacks (i didn't get the one job i applied for?!) in their life...

Posted by: Warai-otoko

+++++++++++++++

Lawyers spend their time sitting at clean oaken desks in front of floor-to-ceiling windows looking amazing and making chit-chat with their assistants. Then they go into a meeting and blow their opponents out of the water by making some "clever" remark about the plight of women.

They seem to believe this.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 30, 2023 05:30 PM (lCaJd)

259 Ok. Counter: Star Trek OG.

We learned more about the characters, but the characters did not really change.

I also would not call that modern, but it is an example.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:30 PM (iM+rR)

260 All the new age / New Wave writers of the late 60;s started out as both Campbell writers and Analog readers, so they were all in the Analog style, at least at the beginning.

Campbell also did a huge amount of coaching to the writers he liked

Posted by: Kindltot at August 30, 2023 05:31 PM (xhaym)

261 It's only 5pm?
Seems like it should be 7pm at least
Posted by: Skip

Did you get any rain today ?

Posted by: JT at August 30, 2023 05:32 PM (T4tVD)

262 Everything Upton Sinclair wrote was commie agitprop, short of possibly some of his laundry lists.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 30, 2023 05:32 PM (xhaym)

263 Lwych Jones was a Jedi knight
Who was taken from Wales to fight.
His master taught him the moves
And bade him, "Force the Ewes!"
And now all the sheep are in fright!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 30, 2023 05:32 PM (9UlRk)

264 262 Everything Upton Sinclair wrote was commie agitprop, short of possibly some of his laundry lists.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 30, 2023 05:32 PM (xhaym)

THIS.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:32 PM (iM+rR)

265
According to the charts I'm old. All I wanna watch are comedies from the 70's, 80's and 90's where people were straight and no one had an agenda to push... except making the viewer laugh. What a concept. Creating content that amused people and kept them coming back for more.

But thank Gawd for the principled stance of the Writers Strike. Where they can become forever impoverished by pushing shit that no one wants to watch for more money.

You can't make me laugh? Learn to code or become homeless... your choice. Don't givva shit either way.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 30, 2023 05:32 PM (enJYY)

266 Nood. Consumer.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 30, 2023 05:33 PM (iM+rR)

267 Uh oh, Newsweek went nukkelar in trying to discredit Tucker. Called him " Putin's ally".

Posted by: runner at August 30, 2023 05:33 PM (idBr5)

268 Been watching foreign crime series programs on Netflix. The programs out of Spain seem the best. Minimum wokeness (Mostly gay shit that I fast forward thru).

Chicks are hot and not afraid of being hot. Decent stories too.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 30, 2023 05:37 PM (BdMk6)

269 Soviet Union had nothing on our Cultural Marxists

Posted by: Skip at August 30, 2023 05:38 PM (MOY79)

270 I think you mean the bitch could be fired ONLY for cause.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at August 30, 2023 05:38 PM (XMwZJ)

271 What is the name of the Spanihs crime program, is it house of paper?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 30, 2023 05:39 PM (xhaym)

272 Lawyers spend their time sitting at clean oaken desks in front of floor-to-ceiling windows looking amazing and making chit-chat with their assistants. Then they go into a meeting and blow their opponents out of the water by making some "clever" remark about the plight of women.

They seem to believe this.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 30, 2023 05:30 PM (lCaJd)

BiL, a lawyer, rarely goes to court and does estate work. His aim is to lay groundwork so that families don't fight, and I thought given the sweet old people around here, it would be easy. Turns out that the problem mostly is children who have moved out of the area and therefore have lost our "values" and gained an attitude of entitlement. He does have a nice desk, though.

Posted by: pookysgirl, supervising the piano rendition of "America the Beautiful" at August 30, 2023 05:39 PM (dtlDP)

273 How many Social Credit Points will I lose by saying I have never watched a second of She-Hulk, watched only the first Guardians of the Galaxy, haven't watched a Marvel Universe movie since Thor 2, and watched only the first three Star Wars films?

I was uninterested in sequels after suffering-through the films listed above. Except for the Star Wars series; I tremendously enjoyed the first three and was certain any further Episodes would not hold a candle to them.

Posted by: Gref at August 30, 2023 05:43 PM (5fDan)

274
What is the name of the Spanihs crime program, is it house of paper?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 30, 2023 05:39 PM

Casa de Pai Pai?

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 30, 2023 05:48 PM (ENBF0)

275 265
According to the charts I'm old. All I wanna watch are comedies from the 70's, 80's and 90's where people were straight and no one had an agenda to push... except making the viewer laugh. What a concept. Creating content that amused people and kept them coming back for more.

But thank Gawd for the principled stance of the Writers Strike. Where they can become forever impoverished by pushing shit that no one wants to watch for more money.

You can't make me laugh? Learn to code or become homeless... your choice. Don't givva shit either way.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 30, 2023 05:32 PM (enJYY)

Cheers is streaming on Netflix. Worth it.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 30, 2023 05:54 PM (GD2xa)

276 need a good move about St. Hildegarde of Bingen. Or maybe St. Teresa of Avila. Certainly about St. Catherine of Sienna.
Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 30, 2023

St Helga aka Olga of Kiev! Taking revenge on the tribe that killed her husband! Cleverly using homing pigeons to burn a city to the ground! And then -plottwist! - becoming Christian.

I'd watch it, and I think a lot of men would like to see a hot young actress playing the part.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 30, 2023 06:00 PM (/+bwe)

277 In happier news, Henry Cavill is set to star in a "Highlander" reboot that is supposedly is going to be spectacular. To be honest, it couldn't possibly be worse than the original*.

*Seriously, I rewatched Highlander a couple months ago for the first time since the 80s and was shocked at how utterly crappy the special effects were and how terrible Christopher Lambert's performance was. I was thoroughly underwhelmed, despite the delightfully ghey effort Sean Connery put in and how awesome Clancy Brown's The Kurgan was. Really, the original was dreck. Fun dreck, but dreck nonetheless.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 30, 2023 06:31 PM (yh4+B)

278 Finally going to watch "Sisu" tonight after I get off work at 11 pm.

In celebration of surviving Florida Hurricane Apocalypse 2023.

Very looking forward to viewing it.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 30, 2023 06:33 PM (yh4+B)

279
Wait, seriously?

Ass - Soacka' ???

Really?

Disney, c'mon!

Posted by: Bach in Black at August 30, 2023 06:42 PM (dBoDT)

280 Hey....

The Babylon Bee
@TheBabylonBee

FBI Seizes Jaiden's Backpack In Predawn Raid https://buff.ly/47Xc24C

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 30, 2023 06:58 PM (TGPs7)

281 The Clown Wars? Sounds menacing.

Posted by: PG at August 30, 2023 07:45 PM (84jHt)

282 Is that Karmela playing the she hulk?

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