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THE MORNING RANT: Having Conquered the Bourgeoisie, Western Leftists are Now Rebelling Against the Proletariat
The globalist elite have successfully undermined most western traditions, including family and Christianity, and having also slayed the bourgeoisie, it is now rebelling against the proletariat. The ruling class’ current battle is an effort to eradicate the lifestyle of a lower class of people that it finds distasteful for how they choose to live, and for refusing to properly conform to the new order.
There have been a couple of outstanding essays recently addressing this, including a Michael Lind piece that was just published, which I will discuss shortly. But as a lead-in, I want to quickly re-visit a John Hayward essay that Ace published a couple days ago. It included these excellent points:Today the Party's extremists are talking about shutting down agriculture in the name of global warming. They'll kill countless people and destroy the American way of life without a second thought, because they know THEY will eat well, and they won't be eating bugs. They've already unleashed killer crime waves on YOU, because they know THEY have armed protection and privileged homes. They wrecked the economy with foolish policies because they know THEY will be taken care of. This process is accelerating, and Hunter is a major milestone. We urgently need to shatter elite privilege, force them to live in the same world as we do, and make them understand that not even the silver-spoon sons of corrupt political dynasties get to live above the law anymore. Nothing less will make the elite receptive to reform.Now here is the Michael Lind piece that is the best explainer I have read about the ruling class’ war on the rest of us. Please click on the link and read the whole thing. There are no wasted words. Michael Lind: The Culture of Transgression [Tablet – 7/31/2023] Mr. Lind brilliantly explains how the elite’s war against tradition has morphed into a war against middle class wage earners and the working class. He uses a term that is new to me, “antinomian,” which can be defined simply as a rejection of all moral, religious, and social traditions. The key point is that the “transgressive” ruling class has conquered most every legacy institution, but they are locusts who only know how to destroy. They are not trying to build a new order, they just seek to destroy all of the old order, and the working class is the last redoubt that hasn’t been conquered, so it is now the target.
At the moment, the fashionable justifications invoked by the elite antinomian vandals attacking Western society from within are climate change, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, and “anti-fascism” as a catchall category. Upper-middle-class young men and women who throw paint at artistic masterpieces or glue themselves to trains claim they are defending the earth’s environment, but they could just as well say they are fighting white supremacy or patriarchy.In other words, vandalism is the virtue. The cause is just an excuse.
They are acting out the ethos of a Western elite culture that believes the act of transgression itself is virtuous; the alleged goal of the transgression is merely an excuse.Humans as a species are inherently religious and patriotic. Having killed off Christianity and loyalty to the nation-state, the transgressives have imposed a new set of saints, icons, and sacraments that must be celebrated.
The three saints of transgression are the illegal immigrant, the transsexual, and the woman who proudly celebrates abortion. All three are idealized by our revolutionary ruling class precisely because they violate traditional norms—the traditional norm of patriotism, based on the legitimacy of the city-state or nation-state or kingdom and its laws and borders; traditional gender norms; and traditional family norms, which celebrate the capacity of women to give birth and to nurture their infants and of men to provide for them. Most of what is called “progressivism” today is really transgressivism.We often talk about the left’s “march through the institutions,” but most of us on the right still never expected corporate America and those who enjoy the prosperity of capitalism to become far-left enforcers of cultural communism, with an open hostility to so many of its customers. But corporations, along with any other institution that has influence and money, have become agents of the revolution against family, faith, and patriotism.
By now the antinomians in Western nations have won their war against tradition in every realm. The members of the credentialed corporate-government-nonprofit-academic-media oligarchy, along with billionaire entrepreneurs and bankers who themselves are usually born into managerial-professional families, are almost all modernist in their aesthetics, libertine in their views of sex and recreational drug use, and dismissive of nationalism and patriotism and religion, which they regard as mental diseases of the lower classes.Our overlords mock our patriotism and faith, yet they demand that we “celebrate” their causes and display the banners to which they profess fealty.
Having vandalized every premodern tradition, the elite antinomians of the modern West now don’t know what to do next. What should rebels against the bourgeoisie rebel against when the bourgeoisie has fallen?Who is left for the anti-western vandals to target? The target now is you, me, and how we live our daily lives.
The answer, it is increasingly apparent, is to rebel against the proletariat. Instead of shocking the bourgeoisie, our post-bourgeois managerial overclass now delights in shocking the working class. Most working class people in the U.S. and Europe of all races and classes live in suburbs or exurbs—therefore our elite pundits and academics constantly denounce suburban “sprawl,” idealize life in high-style micro-apartments and expensive designer tiny houses, and call for the replacement of cars by mass transit.They’re not coming for our cars and our single-family homes because we’re harming the planet or altering the climate with them. They’re coming after our cars and homes because they want to deprive us of not only the pleasures in life, but also the necessities of life. And they’re not just coming for our cars and homes, they’re coming for every appliance we use. They never stop. They never rest. And their appetite for punishing normal people’s daily lives is insatiable. It has nothing to do with the environment.
Many working class people like to cook with natural gas, so naturally our elite seeks to ban gas stoves. Gasoline-powered lawn mowers and leaf blowers? Forget it. California will ban gasoline-powered lawn equipment in 2024. Rising incomes that accompany development allow the masses to eat meat; therefore meat is redefined by the oligarchy as unhealthy and harmful to “the planet.” Whatever working-class “normies” believe and enjoy, the most influential tastemakers of the trans-Atlantic ruling class denounce and seek to ban…The zeal to ban everything is ultimately a desire to ban our normal lives altogether. Fortunately, we can still fight back at the ballot box, right? Sure, so long as we don’t prevail. If that happens, our ballot box success is a “threat to democracy.”
To add insult to injury, when the multiracial working class rebels at the ballot box against this unrelenting and unprovoked bullying by the overclass and casts protest votes for demagogic and usually ineffectual anti-establishment politicians like Silvio Berlusconi or Donald Trump or Boris Johnson, the elite denounces the protest voters as irrational and bigoted cretins who threaten to overthrow democracy, liberalism, and the rule of law. By declaring the democratic preferences of the working class a danger to society, the West’s oligarchs justify subjecting their enemies to pervasive surveillance and other counterextremism measures originally designed for foreign terrorist groups.No revolution ever stays in a permanent state of rebellion, and the longer it does so, the more likely it is that its leaders will soon be the ones rebelled against. The anti-western globalists may think they can keep their paramilitary rebels permanently on the attack against normies, but there will come a day when there is no one left for the rebels to target but their globalist overlords.
When the current rebellion by the managerial elite against the proletariat is exhausted, as the rebellion against the bourgeoisie was exhausted generations ago, there will be nothing left to rebel against except rebellion itself.Klaus, Gates, Kerry et al may enjoy persecuting those of us just trying to quietly lead a normal life, but they have unleashed a monster that they can no longer tame.
We are hostages, then, of a trans-Atlantic ruling class which in turn is the prisoner of its own culture of perpetual antinomianism, of ceaseless rebellion, of never-ending transgression. The question is whether the state and capitalism, on which the overclass depends for its power and wealth, can maintain their legitimacy, now that Western elite antinomians—often through government agencies or corporations or banks they control—wage campaigns to wipe out the last autonomous institutions and inherited traditions in civil society.The best outcome for all parties would be that this current cultural revolution burns itself out like a nasty tire fire. But for now, it looks more like a wildfire that will ultimately consume everything in its path. I hope not. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]
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Sponge
Posted by: TJM's phone at August 06, 2023 07:26 PM (LvTSG)
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First?
Posted by: cpurick at August 07, 2023 12:56 AM (bwWDS)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)
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Commenting present
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 11:00 AM (EKsjb)
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It's interesting that he points out, intentionally or otherwise, that their patron saints are all anonymous.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 07, 2023 11:02 AM (/EuRN)
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So, you're saying we're f*cked, then.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)
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Willowed - That Mitch clip was phenominal. Wow!
Posted by: Tonypete at August 07, 2023 11:03 AM (QG3cQ)
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"undermined most western traditions, including family and Christianity"
What do you know? Exactly Karl Marx goals
What do you know? Exactly Karl Marx goals
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 11:04 AM (EKsjb)
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Global cooling could fuck up their plans...how about a nice little nooklear winter?
Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2023 11:04 AM (AwYPR)
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Wildfires unlock the nutrients for the next generation's forest.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 07, 2023 11:04 AM (/EuRN)
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8 "undermined most western traditions, including family and Christianity"
What do you know? Exactly Karl Marx goals
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 11:04 AM (EKsjb)
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"Really, I just wanted my friend's dad to keep me in room and board."
-Marx
What do you know? Exactly Karl Marx goals
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 11:04 AM (EKsjb)
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"Really, I just wanted my friend's dad to keep me in room and board."
-Marx
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:05 AM (LvTSG)
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WTF is it with California? That State was great up until the late 70s or so and then they went completely nuts. Back in the day everybody in the Navy wanted to be stationed in California, now it is so expensive no one wants to go there.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 07, 2023 11:05 AM (QNSds)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at August 07, 2023 11:05 AM (T4tVD)
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It will be a nasty tire fire the moment a critical number of proles like us start hurting.
That's why (a long with some fiscal common sense) I advocate for cutting off the EBT cards, and going long on popcorn.
And ammo.
That's why (a long with some fiscal common sense) I advocate for cutting off the EBT cards, and going long on popcorn.
And ammo.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 11:06 AM (ufFY8)
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My big fear is Europe is just 20 years ahead of us culturally.
Climate change is basically now their religion.
Climate change is basically now their religion.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:06 AM (cOFom)
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Humans as a species are inherently religious and patriotic. Having killed off Christianity and loyalty to the nation-state, the transgressives have imposed a new set of saints, icons, and sacraments that must be celebrated.
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Which is why the current system is doomed. It *will* be destroyed, because it is so weak. It is weak because it has rejected meaning and therefore strength. It's essentially nihilist (whatever clothes it's wearing), and there's no future in that.
My guess it that there will either be a new revival/great awakening, or relatively rapid external cultural conquest. If I had to lay a wager right now, it would be on Islam. Islam is better than the G-dless nihilism that shreds everything it touches. It at least stands for *something* greater and is good at pushing its message.
A civilization built on consumer goods, gadgets and compliance without any wider meaning is begging to have that G-d-shaped hole its heart filled, and it *will* be filled. And as it is filled - possibly even with alien gods - that civilization will crumble.
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Which is why the current system is doomed. It *will* be destroyed, because it is so weak. It is weak because it has rejected meaning and therefore strength. It's essentially nihilist (whatever clothes it's wearing), and there's no future in that.
My guess it that there will either be a new revival/great awakening, or relatively rapid external cultural conquest. If I had to lay a wager right now, it would be on Islam. Islam is better than the G-dless nihilism that shreds everything it touches. It at least stands for *something* greater and is good at pushing its message.
A civilization built on consumer goods, gadgets and compliance without any wider meaning is begging to have that G-d-shaped hole its heart filled, and it *will* be filled. And as it is filled - possibly even with alien gods - that civilization will crumble.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:07 AM (t0OGg)
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9 Global cooling could fuck up their plans...how about a nice little nooklear winter?
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Pretty sure us not listening to them and obeying them would fuck them up the most. They've just identified themselves as worthless eaters. Easy peasey to follow.
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Pretty sure us not listening to them and obeying them would fuck them up the most. They've just identified themselves as worthless eaters. Easy peasey to follow.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:07 AM (C7jzY)
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We have no choice anymore - we have to utterly destroy the so-called elites, and the only way to do that effective is to utterly destroy the society that created and nurtured them, and all of that societies institutions with it. After that us over, new ones can be built.
Reform if this system is no longer possible. It is too far gone
Reform if this system is no longer possible. It is too far gone
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 07, 2023 11:07 AM (i9ffA)
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Today the Party's extremists are talking about shutting down agriculture in the name of global warming. They'll kill countless people and destroy the American way of life without a second thought, because they know THEY will eat well, and they won't be eating bugs.
What do they plan on eating?
What do they plan on eating?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:07 AM (5apCz)
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We often talk about the left’s “march through the institutions,” but most of us on the right still never expected corporate America and those who enjoy the prosperity of capitalism to become far-left enforcers of cultural communism, with an open hostility to so many of its customers.
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Left unchecked, malignancies will grow until they take over and kill off the body.
That malignancy was the Human Resources department, and it has taken over the body.
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Left unchecked, malignancies will grow until they take over and kill off the body.
That malignancy was the Human Resources department, and it has taken over the body.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:08 AM (t0OGg)
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From the article:
“ If non-college-educated Americans were to take up square dancing as a fad, the powers that be in the media and academia would solemnly inform us that square dancing is problematically racist or sexist or worsens climate change.”
They did that with working out. It’s white supremacy to lift weights, dontchaknow? Never mind every black football player who spends hours in the gym every week. Or the fact up until 13 seconds ago every rational person on the planet agreed that being in shape was a good thing.
Nope. No more. It is now racist to want a good physique. Why? Because fuck you racist, that’s why.
“ If non-college-educated Americans were to take up square dancing as a fad, the powers that be in the media and academia would solemnly inform us that square dancing is problematically racist or sexist or worsens climate change.”
They did that with working out. It’s white supremacy to lift weights, dontchaknow? Never mind every black football player who spends hours in the gym every week. Or the fact up until 13 seconds ago every rational person on the planet agreed that being in shape was a good thing.
Nope. No more. It is now racist to want a good physique. Why? Because fuck you racist, that’s why.
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:08 AM (BqIHC)
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The best outcome for all parties would be that this current cultural revolution burns itself out like a nasty tire fire.
A few strategically conducted necklacings could end this right quick.
A few strategically conducted necklacings could end this right quick.
Posted by: Speaking of tire fires at August 07, 2023 11:09 AM (q1Zxb)
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The answer, it is increasingly apparent, is to rebel against the proletariat. Instead of shocking the bourgeoisie, our post-bourgeois managerial overclass now delights in shocking the working class. Most working class people in the U.S. and Europe of all races and classes live in suburbs or exurbs—therefore our elite pundits and academics constantly denounce suburban “sprawl,” idealize life in high-style micro-apartments and expensive designer tiny houses, and call for the replacement of cars by mass transit.
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And look to East Asia - particularly Red China and Japan, though none moreso than Korea - for how well that works in terms having a future to try to win.
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And look to East Asia - particularly Red China and Japan, though none moreso than Korea - for how well that works in terms having a future to try to win.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:09 AM (t0OGg)
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There were just as many Communists in government in 1963 as there are today, its just we can see their asses today, and that scares them so much they're trying to clam down, and it isn't working.
Remember the "F*ck Joe Biden" cheer started among normal Americans at College football games, something that never would have happened 60 years ago.
Remember the "F*ck Joe Biden" cheer started among normal Americans at College football games, something that never would have happened 60 years ago.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at August 07, 2023 11:10 AM (CecP5)
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Islam is better than the G-dless nihilism that shreds everything it touches.
I have always said, given "an eye for an eye", "love one another", and, "kill all infidels", two out of those three aren't bad.
But, given "kill all infidels", and godless nihilism, I am picking up my scimitar.
I have always said, given "an eye for an eye", "love one another", and, "kill all infidels", two out of those three aren't bad.
But, given "kill all infidels", and godless nihilism, I am picking up my scimitar.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 11:10 AM (ufFY8)
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21 Nope. No more. It is now racist to want a good physique. Why? Because fuck you racist, that’s why.
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:08 AM (BqIHC)
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Also, some new drugs have made it easier to lose weight, making the time and effort to get into good shape decrease, opening up the possibility to the poors more.
Gotta discourage it now.
In 50 years, the rich will go back to being ridiculously fat as a sign of their wealth, flaunting their ability to pay for gastric bypasses and even doing it as an elective surgery just because they can.
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:08 AM (BqIHC)
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Also, some new drugs have made it easier to lose weight, making the time and effort to get into good shape decrease, opening up the possibility to the poors more.
Gotta discourage it now.
In 50 years, the rich will go back to being ridiculously fat as a sign of their wealth, flaunting their ability to pay for gastric bypasses and even doing it as an elective surgery just because they can.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:10 AM (LvTSG)
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Which is why the current system is doomed. It *will* be destroyed, because it is so weak. It is weak because it has rejected meaning and therefore strength. It's essentially nihilist (whatever clothes it's wearing), and there's no future in that.
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I think though "collapsed" cultures can go a long time. Look at a country like France. Even culturally speaking, the US "worst case scenario" over the next few decades is probably not France today. Yet the country just keeps existing.
Our currency is really the soft underbelly, eventually it gets figured out are IOU's are a joke. Neither the Right or the Left wants to really address it.
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I think though "collapsed" cultures can go a long time. Look at a country like France. Even culturally speaking, the US "worst case scenario" over the next few decades is probably not France today. Yet the country just keeps existing.
Our currency is really the soft underbelly, eventually it gets figured out are IOU's are a joke. Neither the Right or the Left wants to really address it.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:10 AM (cOFom)
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Whatever working-class “normies” believe and enjoy, the most influential tastemakers of the trans-Atlantic ruling class denounce and seek to ban…
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Which comes down more to power than ideology. The useful idiots are ideological, but the true power people are not. They want the peasants scrabbling in mud where they belong. Yes, this means that the rulers will *also* see a reduction in their standards of living. Without my car, it's not economical to get fuel for your airplane. Without my refrigerator and air conditioning, yours will require the wealth of a nation to produce - and you're not likely to have more than one.
But that's okay, because *I* will be in my right place, and so will they. Better to rule in hell.
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Which comes down more to power than ideology. The useful idiots are ideological, but the true power people are not. They want the peasants scrabbling in mud where they belong. Yes, this means that the rulers will *also* see a reduction in their standards of living. Without my car, it's not economical to get fuel for your airplane. Without my refrigerator and air conditioning, yours will require the wealth of a nation to produce - and you're not likely to have more than one.
But that's okay, because *I* will be in my right place, and so will they. Better to rule in hell.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:11 AM (t0OGg)
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They are not trying to build a new order, they just seek to destroy all of the old order
*Contemplates standard 10+ year old Cur rant about the destruction of Western Civilization and shooting kneeling Kulaks in the back of the neck*
Welcome to the party, pal.
They are not trying to build a new order, they just seek to destroy all of the old order
*Contemplates standard 10+ year old Cur rant about the destruction of Western Civilization and shooting kneeling Kulaks in the back of the neck*
Welcome to the party, pal.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 07, 2023 11:11 AM (n+4am)
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Michael Lind is an absolute must read for me. Not that I agree with everything or even most. But what he says needs to be taken very seriously.
His Fourth American Nation was a completely disorienting experience for me in college. I just randomly pulled it off a shelf of the library somehow.
He's one of those dudes whose diagnoses are brilliant. And his perscriptions are of much less importance.
Much like the economist Michael Hudson.
His Fourth American Nation was a completely disorienting experience for me in college. I just randomly pulled it off a shelf of the library somehow.
He's one of those dudes whose diagnoses are brilliant. And his perscriptions are of much less importance.
Much like the economist Michael Hudson.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:12 AM (FyO4+)
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Islam is better than the G-dless nihilism that shreds everything it touches.
I have always said, given "an eye for an eye", "love one another", and, "kill all infidels", two out of those three aren't bad.
But, given "kill all infidels", and godless nihilism, I am picking up my scimitar.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
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Watching videos of those Islamic communities in the US and how they are pushing back at the Woke trash that welcomed them in, I'm starting to warm up to them.
I have always said, given "an eye for an eye", "love one another", and, "kill all infidels", two out of those three aren't bad.
But, given "kill all infidels", and godless nihilism, I am picking up my scimitar.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
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Watching videos of those Islamic communities in the US and how they are pushing back at the Woke trash that welcomed them in, I'm starting to warm up to them.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:12 AM (cOFom)
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No revolution ever stays in a permanent state of rebellion, and the longer it does so, the more likely it is that its leaders will soon be the ones rebelled against. The anti-western globalists may think they can keep their paramilitary rebels permanently on the attack against normies, but there will come a day when there is no one left for the rebels to target but their globalist overlords.
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At which point our overlords will be dead already from age, or they genuinely believe that they can manage us into hard-scrabble poverty without blowback thanks to state guns and AI to spy on everyone at all times.
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At which point our overlords will be dead already from age, or they genuinely believe that they can manage us into hard-scrabble poverty without blowback thanks to state guns and AI to spy on everyone at all times.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:12 AM (t0OGg)
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A boot, stomping on your face, forever.
Posted by: George at August 07, 2023 11:13 AM (SYTee)
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The way to fix this is to turn off the lights of the city states. Give it three days and it will be over.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:13 AM (C7jzY)
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You're looking at it the wrong way, Buck. We are living through Satan's Revenge against humanity.
They are going to destroy everything. Every.Thing.
First they will try to own every thing, in order to destroy every thing.
The world will be so corrupted that if Jesus doesn't come back every living thing on Earth will be destroyed.
But Jesus is coming back ....
They are going to destroy everything. Every.Thing.
First they will try to own every thing, in order to destroy every thing.
The world will be so corrupted that if Jesus doesn't come back every living thing on Earth will be destroyed.
But Jesus is coming back ....
Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at August 07, 2023 11:13 AM (RAxpg)
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32 At which point our overlords will be dead already from age, or they genuinely believe that they can manage us into hard-scrabble poverty without blowback thanks to state guns and AI to spy on everyone at all times.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:12 AM (t0OGg)
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"I'll be able to survive this. I have a young Corsican artillery officer with a lot of promise on my side."
-Robespierre
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:12 AM (t0OGg)
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"I'll be able to survive this. I have a young Corsican artillery officer with a lot of promise on my side."
-Robespierre
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:13 AM (LvTSG)
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I thought the French Revolution was a clear enough example of what happens when you empowered these idiots.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:14 AM (xcxpd)
Posted by: our elites at August 07, 2023 11:14 AM (KFhLj)
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We are fuckeded
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:14 AM (iFTx/)
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The best outcome for all parties would be that this current cultural revolution burns itself out like a nasty tire fire. But for now, it looks more like a wildfire that will ultimately consume everything in its path. I hope not.
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Likely. I don't see any of the current nations persisting for more than another 40-100 years. The names may well remain the same, and the geographical boundaries will be similar, but they will not exist as they did, say, 20 years ago or even today. And what we will probably have a resurgence of monarchy, at least on average. Kings or other strongmen are going to make a comeback.
And of all the downsides of monarchy, long-term thinking is not one of them. Unlike our current ruling class, kings at least thought about the future. They did not always do so successfully, but they at least want there to be *something* for their kids - the next kings - to inherity.
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Likely. I don't see any of the current nations persisting for more than another 40-100 years. The names may well remain the same, and the geographical boundaries will be similar, but they will not exist as they did, say, 20 years ago or even today. And what we will probably have a resurgence of monarchy, at least on average. Kings or other strongmen are going to make a comeback.
And of all the downsides of monarchy, long-term thinking is not one of them. Unlike our current ruling class, kings at least thought about the future. They did not always do so successfully, but they at least want there to be *something* for their kids - the next kings - to inherity.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:15 AM (t0OGg)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 07, 2023 11:15 AM (2OL6m)
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A boot, stomping on your face, forever.
Posted by: George at August 07, 2023 11:13 AM (SYTee)
That's my line, Winston.
Posted by: George at August 07, 2023 11:13 AM (SYTee)
That's my line, Winston.
Posted by: O'Brien at August 07, 2023 11:15 AM (ufFY8)
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It’s funny when Dems bring up taxing billionaires many conservatives strap on the knee pads about in slavish devotion to the ultra rich.
Of all the billionaires on the planet, probably only Trump and Musk are an actual net benefit to society.
Not sure what is needed but probably a culling of the top 0.01% of the herd of humanity is needed.
Of all the billionaires on the planet, probably only Trump and Musk are an actual net benefit to society.
Not sure what is needed but probably a culling of the top 0.01% of the herd of humanity is needed.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 07, 2023 11:15 AM (scAkO)
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These discussions start and stop with one word: control.
That's it and that's all. Every action from our overlords leads back to this.
Unfortunately, Covid showed that large swaths of the middle class are willing to cede control of their lives to the powers that be.
That's it and that's all. Every action from our overlords leads back to this.
Unfortunately, Covid showed that large swaths of the middle class are willing to cede control of their lives to the powers that be.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:15 AM (KbCG3)
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"I'll be able to survive this. I have a young Corsican artillery officer with a lot of promise on my side."
-Robespierre
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:13 AM (LvTSG)
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The best laid plans...
-Robespierre
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:13 AM (LvTSG)
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The best laid plans...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:15 AM (t0OGg)
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A boot, stomping on your face, forever.
Posted by: George
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that the reality, but we cling to the idea of a fairy tale ending.
The US experience was largely an aberration in human history, and I think it's likely coming to a close. As silly as it may sound, I legit think God blessed us because we were a moral nation. But the Bible is full of stories of when that "good luck" runs out.
Posted by: George
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that the reality, but we cling to the idea of a fairy tale ending.
The US experience was largely an aberration in human history, and I think it's likely coming to a close. As silly as it may sound, I legit think God blessed us because we were a moral nation. But the Bible is full of stories of when that "good luck" runs out.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:16 AM (cOFom)
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37 I thought the French Revolution was a clear enough example of what happens when you empowered these idiots.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:14 AM (xcxpd)
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L'étendard sanglant est levé.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:14 AM (xcxpd)
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L'étendard sanglant est levé.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:16 AM (LvTSG)
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16 Mannix — Hard disagree about Islam. Islam is just another flavor of Satanism, just like the WEF bullshit.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:16 AM (xTRSc)
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The US experience was largely an aberration in human history, and I think it's likely coming to a close. As silly as it may sound, I legit think God blessed us because we were a moral nation. But the Bible is full of stories of when that "good luck" runs out.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:16 AM (cOFom)
Meanie meanie tickle your parson.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:16 AM (cOFom)
Meanie meanie tickle your parson.
Posted by: He hates getting tickled. Hates. It. at August 07, 2023 11:17 AM (q1Zxb)
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TJM, I watched Babe this weekend, which is adorable. Then they ran Babe - Pig in the Big City. I did not know there was a sequel to Babe. It was a horror show. After about 20 minutes I turned it off. Unbelievable disaster. Do you have any insights to this nightmare?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:17 AM (C7jzY)
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>>And look to East Asia - particularly Red China and Japan, though none moreso than Korea - for how well that works in terms having a future to try to win.
I think it's a mistake to rely to much on the results other countries have endured and applying them to the US. No other country in the world has our history of personal freedom and rights. There might be some lessons learned but the US is very unique and that's not homerism.
Despite all the suppression and media attempt at mind control at least half and probably significantly more of the country is not accepting this new normal and never will.
I think it's a mistake to rely to much on the results other countries have endured and applying them to the US. No other country in the world has our history of personal freedom and rights. There might be some lessons learned but the US is very unique and that's not homerism.
Despite all the suppression and media attempt at mind control at least half and probably significantly more of the country is not accepting this new normal and never will.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:17 AM (ZLI7S)
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the ethos of a Western elite culture that believes the act of transgression itself is virtuous
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Too many words. You mean satanists.
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Too many words. You mean satanists.
Posted by: And you know its true at August 07, 2023 11:18 AM (bNy/6)
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He uses a term that is new to me, “antinomian,” which can be defined simply as a rejection of all moral, religious, and social traditions.
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Muh Nomzzzz!
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Muh Nomzzzz!
Posted by: ShainS -- We're Happy Ace's Geriatric Club ... at August 07, 2023 11:18 AM (6rao7)
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To take the example of France surviving in spite of its ongoing collapse; that is primarily because no Nation today is truly independent; they exist inside the international order with trade, economics, and military systems all deeply linked with many others. No significant piece of this int'l system can collapse unless it all collapses. But, as each link in that chain gets weaker, the day of a general systemic international collapse approaches.
To put it in simpler terms, no one will go until we all go down together.
To put it in simpler terms, no one will go until we all go down together.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 07, 2023 11:19 AM (i9ffA)
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Our currency is really the soft underbelly, eventually it gets figured out are IOU's are a joke. Neither the Right or the Left wants to really address it.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:10 AM
Once everyone figures out our currency is worthless the entire system breaks down. The current financial system only exists because everyone believes the US dollar is strong. Once that belief is gone it's game over man.
We are rapidly coming to the same point that split the Late Roman Empire into two separate half's. Their currency had been debased so much that it became worthless and the Empire could no long support itself, exactly what we are doing to the US dollar through constant deficit spending.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:10 AM
Once everyone figures out our currency is worthless the entire system breaks down. The current financial system only exists because everyone believes the US dollar is strong. Once that belief is gone it's game over man.
We are rapidly coming to the same point that split the Late Roman Empire into two separate half's. Their currency had been debased so much that it became worthless and the Empire could no long support itself, exactly what we are doing to the US dollar through constant deficit spending.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 07, 2023 11:19 AM (QNSds)
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Why do people even listen to these numbnuts? If the climate alarmists were serious about their concerns they'd be working a bit harder at becoming carbon neutral. Someone bitches and moans about someone else being in shape just really needs an epic curb stomping. And so on.
These used to be called "life lessons." They need to be employed with the left more often.
These used to be called "life lessons." They need to be employed with the left more often.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 07, 2023 11:19 AM (Q4IgG)
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16 Mannix — Hard disagree about Islam. Islam is just another flavor of Satanism, just like the WEF bullshit.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
Pretty much. There is a theory out there Mo Ham Hed was the anti-Christ an this is the slow march. Dunno.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
Pretty much. There is a theory out there Mo Ham Hed was the anti-Christ an this is the slow march. Dunno.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 07, 2023 11:19 AM (TZ75n)
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But that's okay, because *I* will be in my right place, and so will they. Better to rule in hell.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:11 AM (t0OGg)
Yes. Power Differential vs Objective Power.
Instead of a complex power hierarchy with "a place for every man and a man for every place" there are just two layers.
In the Middle Age concept of the Hierarchy of Being (a Christian idea) the hierarchy was near infinite in steps to the point that every man had a level for himself. A place for himself.
I really do think the occulted point is speciation. The primary method is degeneration of the other into something beneath animals.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:11 AM (t0OGg)
Yes. Power Differential vs Objective Power.
Instead of a complex power hierarchy with "a place for every man and a man for every place" there are just two layers.
In the Middle Age concept of the Hierarchy of Being (a Christian idea) the hierarchy was near infinite in steps to the point that every man had a level for himself. A place for himself.
I really do think the occulted point is speciation. The primary method is degeneration of the other into something beneath animals.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (FyO4+)
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Hard disagree about Islam. Islam is just another flavor of Satanism, just like the WEF bullshit.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:16 AM (xTRSc)
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Islam is a fully-developed faith with a universalist ethos and a massive evangelist system.
Don't get me wrong - I do not wish to see Islam take over the entire northern hemisphere and think it will be a setback that might even surpass the fall of Rome and the subsequent dark ages - but do not count it out. They have something to offer and an ever-growing market that is forbidden from pursuing any meaning and standing institutions of meaning (the churches, for example) that have no will to attempt to counter it. Do not count it out.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:16 AM (xTRSc)
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Islam is a fully-developed faith with a universalist ethos and a massive evangelist system.
Don't get me wrong - I do not wish to see Islam take over the entire northern hemisphere and think it will be a setback that might even surpass the fall of Rome and the subsequent dark ages - but do not count it out. They have something to offer and an ever-growing market that is forbidden from pursuing any meaning and standing institutions of meaning (the churches, for example) that have no will to attempt to counter it. Do not count it out.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (t0OGg)
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I’ve mentioned it here before but there are a lot of social media channels with massive followings that push for the destruction of suburbs and car ownership. They’re not even coy or sly about it. their stated goal is outright bans of cars, and destruction of the suburb. Everyone needs to live in a 700 sq ft apartment in a city and take the bus everywhere. And they have millions of followers who nod in agreement. There’s no debate even. It’s not like, here are some positives for city living or living without a car you may want to consider. Their message is if you drive and live in a single family home with a yard, you’re just evil. Period.
These people aren’t the govt. They're not even the elite. But they’ve been so brainwashed by the elite/govt that they 100% buy into it all. They’re 21st century Maoists carrying little red books.
It’s pretty fucking scary.
These people aren’t the govt. They're not even the elite. But they’ve been so brainwashed by the elite/govt that they 100% buy into it all. They’re 21st century Maoists carrying little red books.
It’s pretty fucking scary.
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (BqIHC)
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It’s funny when Dems bring up taxing billionaires many conservatives strap on the knee pads about in slavish devotion to the ultra rich.
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Agreed, most of it is because of organizations that are funded by the likes of the Koch Brothers.
I'm actually somewhat amazed as just a token of good will, conservatives don't propose some "billionaire" capital gains increase and offset it with tax cuts for the middle class and working rich.
It is disgusting what the oligarchs get away with, they really don't pay shit in taxes. They can just borrow against their stock and literally not pay one dime.
I would look the other way being a free market type, until they all started dabbling in Cultural marxism.
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Agreed, most of it is because of organizations that are funded by the likes of the Koch Brothers.
I'm actually somewhat amazed as just a token of good will, conservatives don't propose some "billionaire" capital gains increase and offset it with tax cuts for the middle class and working rich.
It is disgusting what the oligarchs get away with, they really don't pay shit in taxes. They can just borrow against their stock and literally not pay one dime.
I would look the other way being a free market type, until they all started dabbling in Cultural marxism.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (cOFom)
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Likely. I don't see any of the current nations persisting for more than another 40-100 years. The names may well remain the same, and the geographical boundaries will be similar, but they will not exist as they did, say, 20 years ago or even today. And what we will probably have a resurgence of monarchy, at least on average. Kings or other strongmen are going to make a comeback.
And of all the downsides of monarchy, long-term thinking is not one of them. Unlike our current ruling class, kings at least thought about the future. They did not always do so successfully, but they at least want there to be *something* for their kids - the next kings - to inherity.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:15 AM (t0OGg)
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I don't see hereditary, organized monarchies making a comeback. I do see temporary, kill-or-be-killed strongmen and warlords making a very big comeback. Actually, they are already here. Look to the poorest, most dysfunctional societies, and warlords flourish. Africa, middle east, and some parts of Latin America. That is what is coming to the rest of the world. That is man's natural state.
Likely. I don't see any of the current nations persisting for more than another 40-100 years. The names may well remain the same, and the geographical boundaries will be similar, but they will not exist as they did, say, 20 years ago or even today. And what we will probably have a resurgence of monarchy, at least on average. Kings or other strongmen are going to make a comeback.
And of all the downsides of monarchy, long-term thinking is not one of them. Unlike our current ruling class, kings at least thought about the future. They did not always do so successfully, but they at least want there to be *something* for their kids - the next kings - to inherity.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:15 AM (t0OGg)
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I don't see hereditary, organized monarchies making a comeback. I do see temporary, kill-or-be-killed strongmen and warlords making a very big comeback. Actually, they are already here. Look to the poorest, most dysfunctional societies, and warlords flourish. Africa, middle east, and some parts of Latin America. That is what is coming to the rest of the world. That is man's natural state.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (iFTx/)
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Having vandalized every premodern tradition, the elite antinomians of the modern West now don’t know what to do next. What should rebels against the bourgeoisie rebel against when the bourgeoisie has fallen?
Who is left for the anti-western vandals to target? The target now is you, me, and how we live our daily lives.
The answer is they will start to attack themselves, for lack of purity and ideological zeal. It's where this always ends.
Who is left for the anti-western vandals to target? The target now is you, me, and how we live our daily lives.
The answer is they will start to attack themselves, for lack of purity and ideological zeal. It's where this always ends.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2023 11:21 AM (eOEVl)
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40 The best outcome for all parties would be that this current cultural revolution burns itself out like a nasty tire fire. But for now, it looks more like a wildfire that will ultimately consume everything in its path. I hope not.
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Likely. I don't see any of the current nations persisting for more than another 40-100 years. The names may well remain the same, and the geographical boundaries will be similar, but they will not exist as they did, say, 20 years ago or even today. And what we will probably have a resurgence of monarchy, at least on average. Kings or other strongmen are going to make a comeback.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Those nations that still have a monarch may return to it but republicanism (not the party) is ingrained in a fair part of the West. We are more likely to have el Presidente for life or some such in those countries. In recent memory, only the Kim family in Korea successfully made the transition. Thailand itself is an interesting case where royalty is retaking control.
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Likely. I don't see any of the current nations persisting for more than another 40-100 years. The names may well remain the same, and the geographical boundaries will be similar, but they will not exist as they did, say, 20 years ago or even today. And what we will probably have a resurgence of monarchy, at least on average. Kings or other strongmen are going to make a comeback.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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Those nations that still have a monarch may return to it but republicanism (not the party) is ingrained in a fair part of the West. We are more likely to have el Presidente for life or some such in those countries. In recent memory, only the Kim family in Korea successfully made the transition. Thailand itself is an interesting case where royalty is retaking control.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:21 AM (bk5GW)
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L'étendard sanglant est levé.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir
Gesundheidt !
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir
Gesundheidt !
Posted by: JT at August 07, 2023 11:21 AM (T4tVD)
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We are rapidly coming to the same point that split the Late Roman Empire into two separate half's. Their currency had been debased so much that it became worthless and the Empire could no long support itself, exactly what we are doing to the US dollar through constant deficit spending.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 07, 2023 11:19 AM (QNSds)
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Our elder statesman are hoping to keep it going for another 5 years or so. They want to be dead of natural causes before The Deluge.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 07, 2023 11:19 AM (QNSds)
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Our elder statesman are hoping to keep it going for another 5 years or so. They want to be dead of natural causes before The Deluge.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 07, 2023 11:21 AM (scAkO)
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Pretty much. There is a theory out there Mo Ham Hed was the anti-Christ an this is the slow march. Dunno.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 07, 2023 11:19 AM (TZ75n)
There's Christ and there is anti-Christ.
https://youtu.be/uB0VdBmT3Gw
Pretty much. There is a theory out there Mo Ham Hed was the anti-Christ an this is the slow march. Dunno.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 07, 2023 11:19 AM (TZ75n)
There's Christ and there is anti-Christ.
https://youtu.be/uB0VdBmT3Gw
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)
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Look to the poorest, most dysfunctional societies, and warlords flourish. Africa, middle east, and some parts of Latin America. That is what is coming to the rest of the world. That is man's natural state.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (iFTx/)
Seattle's autonomous zone. CHOP or whatever. Didn't last as long but definitely a preview of coming attractions.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (iFTx/)
Seattle's autonomous zone. CHOP or whatever. Didn't last as long but definitely a preview of coming attractions.
Posted by: Can't happen here? Already has. at August 07, 2023 11:22 AM (q1Zxb)
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I think it's a mistake to rely to much on the results other countries have endured and applying them to the US. No other country in the world has our history of personal freedom and rights. There might be some lessons learned but the US is very unique and that's not homerism.
Despite all the suppression and media attempt at mind control at least half and probably significantly more of the country is not accepting this new normal and never will.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:17 AM (ZLI7S)
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They can die rather than accept it. Many will. And America *is* (or was, at least) special, but that is no guarantee. If you want to destroy your own demography, rapid high-density urbanization like the East Asians pursued for the past fifty years is a pretty good way to help achieve it.
Despite all the suppression and media attempt at mind control at least half and probably significantly more of the country is not accepting this new normal and never will.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:17 AM (ZLI7S)
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They can die rather than accept it. Many will. And America *is* (or was, at least) special, but that is no guarantee. If you want to destroy your own demography, rapid high-density urbanization like the East Asians pursued for the past fifty years is a pretty good way to help achieve it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:22 AM (t0OGg)
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Insty has a link to an article about an interview Soros once gave in which he confessed to having aspirations to becoming a god.
Scary stuff.
Scary stuff.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:22 AM (xTRSc)
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I'm actually somewhat amazed as just a token of good will, conservatives don't propose some "billionaire" capital gains increase and offset it with tax cuts for the middle class and working rich.
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I say this here. And the replies are generally in the realm of “fuck off commie, DU and Kos are that way”.
Lol
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I say this here. And the replies are generally in the realm of “fuck off commie, DU and Kos are that way”.
Lol
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:23 AM (BqIHC)
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Seattle's autonomous zone. CHOP or whatever. Didn't last as long but definitely a preview of coming attractions.
Posted by: Can't happen here? Already has. at August 07, 2023 11:22 AM (q1Zxb)
I told you......
Seattle's autonomous zone. CHOP or whatever. Didn't last as long but definitely a preview of coming attractions.
Posted by: Can't happen here? Already has. at August 07, 2023 11:22 AM (q1Zxb)
I told you......
Posted by: George Orwell's Animal Farm at August 07, 2023 11:23 AM (Zz0t1)
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The answer is they will start to attack themselves, for lack of purity and ideological zeal. It's where this always ends.
YT has a good three-part French documentary on the gulag. You know, if you want to get a head start on things. Pay particular attention to the fates of people like Yezhov and Beria.
YT has a good three-part French documentary on the gulag. You know, if you want to get a head start on things. Pay particular attention to the fates of people like Yezhov and Beria.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2023 11:23 AM (eOEVl)
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Damn that Trump for making the special counsel a corrupt scumbag.
@kyledcheney
Judge CANNON comes out swinging at special counsel this morning, striking two of prosecutors' sealed filings and demanding an explanation of "the legal propriety of using an out-of-district grand jury proceeding to continue to investigate" the docs case
@kyledcheney
Judge CANNON comes out swinging at special counsel this morning, striking two of prosecutors' sealed filings and demanding an explanation of "the legal propriety of using an out-of-district grand jury proceeding to continue to investigate" the docs case
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (ZLI7S)
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Don't get me wrong - I do not wish to see Islam take over the entire northern hemisphere and think it will be a setback that might even surpass the fall of Rome and the subsequent dark ages - but do not count it out. They have something to offer and an ever-growing market that is forbidden from pursuing any meaning and standing institutions of meaning (the churches, for example) that have no will to attempt to counter it. Do not count it out.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (t0OGg)
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I think after the Big Fall, there will be rats, cockroaches, and . . . Muslims. The modern Christians and Jews are too weak and pampered and self-destructive and fractured to survive a true cataclysmic event. Maybe a few isolated pockets here and there, but those will eventually be eradicated by the Muslims.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (t0OGg)
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I think after the Big Fall, there will be rats, cockroaches, and . . . Muslims. The modern Christians and Jews are too weak and pampered and self-destructive and fractured to survive a true cataclysmic event. Maybe a few isolated pockets here and there, but those will eventually be eradicated by the Muslims.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (iFTx/)
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It is disgusting what the oligarchs get away with, they really don't pay shit in taxes. They can just borrow against their stock and literally not pay one dime.
I would look the other way being a free market type, until they all started dabbling in Cultural marxism.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (cOFom)
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Something you and me agree about.
Ultimately too much money in too few hands is not a good situation for the long term health of a republic.
I would look the other way being a free market type, until they all started dabbling in Cultural marxism.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (cOFom)
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Something you and me agree about.
Ultimately too much money in too few hands is not a good situation for the long term health of a republic.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (scAkO)
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71 I say this here. And the replies are generally in the realm of “fuck off commie, DU and Kos are that way”.
Lol
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:23 AM (BqIHC)
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I cheer on wealth taxes now. 100% income taxes for every dollar that puts someone in the top 5%.
This will have a massively destructive effect, especially over time, but America seems to need to suffer to regain its ability to govern itself well.
Lol
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:23 AM (BqIHC)
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I cheer on wealth taxes now. 100% income taxes for every dollar that puts someone in the top 5%.
This will have a massively destructive effect, especially over time, but America seems to need to suffer to regain its ability to govern itself well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (LvTSG)
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I don't see hereditary, organized monarchies making a comeback. I do see temporary, kill-or-be-killed strongmen and warlords making a very big comeback. Actually, they are already here. Look to the poorest, most dysfunctional societies, and warlords flourish. Africa, middle east, and some parts of Latin America. That is what is coming to the rest of the world. That is man's natural state.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (iFTx/)
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Which is monarchy by another name. When the strongman or President for Life (as Whig said), etc. is successful, he will be able to name his own successor. It may be hereditary or by appointment (as the Romans often did through adoption), but the point remains. If he is unsuccessful, he will be toppled by someone with more support. Monarchies fall all the time.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (iFTx/)
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Which is monarchy by another name. When the strongman or President for Life (as Whig said), etc. is successful, he will be able to name his own successor. It may be hereditary or by appointment (as the Romans often did through adoption), but the point remains. If he is unsuccessful, he will be toppled by someone with more support. Monarchies fall all the time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (t0OGg)
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Those nations that still have a monarch may return to it but republicanism (not the party) is ingrained in a fair part of the West. We are more likely to have el Presidente for life or some such in those countries. In recent memory, only the Kim family in Korea successfully made the transition. Thailand itself is an interesting case where royalty is retaking control.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:21 AM (bk5GW)
Yes. Prob something like the Roman Emperors. Which was a very interesting position. It was kinda like the machine ran in the background and he could do whatever he wanted. He could be reform this or focus on that or expand here or just do nothing.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:21 AM (bk5GW)
Yes. Prob something like the Roman Emperors. Which was a very interesting position. It was kinda like the machine ran in the background and he could do whatever he wanted. He could be reform this or focus on that or expand here or just do nothing.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (FyO4+)
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Seattle's autonomous zone. CHOP or whatever. Didn't last as long but definitely a preview of coming attractions.
True, but they did make huge strides in cardboard-based farming.
Seattle's autonomous zone. CHOP or whatever. Didn't last as long but definitely a preview of coming attractions.
True, but they did make huge strides in cardboard-based farming.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (eOEVl)
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If the oligarchs were smart and wanted to keep their wealth, they'd be funding a system of politics that was very much culturally traditional and fiscally responsible.
That really would give them the best shot at keeping their power and position in society. Up until about 20 years ago (before Big Tech) that's exactly what most of them did.
Instead, many of them are young atheists that grew up in red diaper households. They are attempting to remake America in their own image.
That really would give them the best shot at keeping their power and position in society. Up until about 20 years ago (before Big Tech) that's exactly what most of them did.
Instead, many of them are young atheists that grew up in red diaper households. They are attempting to remake America in their own image.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (cOFom)
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themselves are usually born into managerial-professional families, are almost all modernist in their aesthetics, libertine in their views of sex and recreational drug use
For other people. It has been noted that the elite do not tend to have kids out of wedlock, do not tend to get divorced, do not tend to be addicted to hard drugs, and generally keep their kids away from social media.
These are poisons that the elite encourages other people to use - it keeps the lower classes from challenging their elite status.
For other people. It has been noted that the elite do not tend to have kids out of wedlock, do not tend to get divorced, do not tend to be addicted to hard drugs, and generally keep their kids away from social media.
These are poisons that the elite encourages other people to use - it keeps the lower classes from challenging their elite status.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (2tUFv)
83
"Whatever working-class “normies” believe and enjoy, the most influential tastemakers of the trans-Atlantic ruling class denounce and seek to ban…"
another factor, as the proles started making enough money to travel more, the "elite" had to rub elbows with them at the beaches and resorts. "How Dare You enjoy privileges reserved for Us".
The smug leftists call out the National Guard to remove a handful of illegals from Martha's Vineyard, but dump millions of drug/human trafficked illegals into TX, AZ, FL and the South. (and NY cries when too many show up there).
another factor, as the proles started making enough money to travel more, the "elite" had to rub elbows with them at the beaches and resorts. "How Dare You enjoy privileges reserved for Us".
The smug leftists call out the National Guard to remove a handful of illegals from Martha's Vineyard, but dump millions of drug/human trafficked illegals into TX, AZ, FL and the South. (and NY cries when too many show up there).
Posted by: illiniwek at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (Cus5s)
84
There are multiple Bond Villians operating at one time and there are no Bonds. In fact, most of the Five Eyes intel works for the Bond Villians. Or are directing them.
Just fucking wonderful.
Just fucking wonderful.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (TZ75n)
85
The answer is they will start to attack themselves, for lack of purity and ideological zeal. It's where this always ends.
YT has a good three-part French documentary on the gulag. You know, if you want to get a head start on things. Pay particular attention to the fates of people like Yezhov and Beria.
Forgot the link.
https://tinyurl.com/2p9xu3kr
YT has a good three-part French documentary on the gulag. You know, if you want to get a head start on things. Pay particular attention to the fates of people like Yezhov and Beria.
Forgot the link.
https://tinyurl.com/2p9xu3kr
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (eOEVl)
86
True, but they did make huge strides in cardboard-based farming.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (eOEVl)
Because farming is f*ckin' EASY, bruh....
True, but they did make huge strides in cardboard-based farming.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (eOEVl)
Because farming is f*ckin' EASY, bruh....
Posted by: Michael Bloomberg at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (Zz0t1)
87
In Oregon they are trying to get on the ballot no more killing animals. No livestock, hunting, fishing, nothing.
They arrogantly say that the Willamette Valley grows enough produce to feed every one.
They arrogantly say that the Willamette Valley grows enough produce to feed every one.
Posted by: Beartooth at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (JqMqI)
88
The "working class" sure narrows it down. About 90% of the population.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (f0XAF)
89
It occurred to me this weekend as I was parking cars at the county fair that EVs will totally destroy classic American pastimes: the demolition derby and the tractor pull.
Now, I don't particularly care to go to these events, but they are highly popular in rural and semirural communities.
Naturally, they are also highly dependant on fossil fuels.
Now, I don't particularly care to go to these events, but they are highly popular in rural and semirural communities.
Naturally, they are also highly dependant on fossil fuels.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (YIVH2)
90
What do they plan on eating?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:07 AM
The ultra-rich in Soylent Green had real food. Not sure where it came from but it was very expensive.
What do they plan on eating?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:07 AM
The ultra-rich in Soylent Green had real food. Not sure where it came from but it was very expensive.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (63Dwl)
91
I think after the Big Fall, there will be rats, cockroaches, and . . . Muslims. The modern Christians and Jews are too weak and pampered and self-destructive and fractured to survive a true cataclysmic event. Maybe a few isolated pockets here and there, but those will eventually be eradicated by the Muslims.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (iFTx/)
The good news is that for many who believe this is actually a good thing, they already have their Handmaid's Tale costumes!
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (iFTx/)
The good news is that for many who believe this is actually a good thing, they already have their Handmaid's Tale costumes!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (KbCG3)
92
The modern day oligarchs have 50% of the population on their side. That’s historically unprecedented. Which will make a revolution by the other half, hard to do.
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:27 AM (BqIHC)
93
That is what is coming to the rest of the world. That is man's natural state.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (iFTx/)
What was ours is ours again. It will never be taken again! I am chief and son of chief!
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (iFTx/)
What was ours is ours again. It will never be taken again! I am chief and son of chief!
Posted by: Cloud William at August 07, 2023 11:27 AM (gmo/4)
94
I cheer on wealth taxes now. 100% income taxes for every dollar that puts someone in the top 5%.
This will have a massively destructive effect, especially over time, but America seems to need to suffer to regain its ability to govern itself well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (LvTSG)
I am with you. But 5% is waaaaaay too low. Those people are eugenic.
It is honestly the 0.1%.
And the 0.1% hide behind the 0.99% by using the top 1% meme.
This will have a massively destructive effect, especially over time, but America seems to need to suffer to regain its ability to govern itself well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (LvTSG)
I am with you. But 5% is waaaaaay too low. Those people are eugenic.
It is honestly the 0.1%.
And the 0.1% hide behind the 0.99% by using the top 1% meme.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:27 AM (FyO4+)
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Whatever our private chefs whip up, of course. Duh.
Posted by: our elites
The biggest unknown or ignored term in the English language is "economy of scale".
When you destroy an entire market segment, you will not have "boutique" anything. It becomes cost prohibitive.
Posted by: our elites
The biggest unknown or ignored term in the English language is "economy of scale".
When you destroy an entire market segment, you will not have "boutique" anything. It becomes cost prohibitive.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:27 AM (5apCz)
96
Global cooling could fuck up their plans...how about a nice little nooklear winter?
Posted by: BignJames
Cooling is on hold for a while. The last big underwater volcano increased water vapor in the atmosphere by 13%.
And water vapor is much better at trapping heat than any other constituent of the atmosphere.
Posted by: BignJames
Cooling is on hold for a while. The last big underwater volcano increased water vapor in the atmosphere by 13%.
And water vapor is much better at trapping heat than any other constituent of the atmosphere.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 07, 2023 11:27 AM (xSSfo)
97
The US system of government has been called, "The Great Experiment." Many say it is a failed experiment. I would say it has succeeded in proving you cannot change basic human nature.
Corruption and Tyranny seem to be the natural way of things.
Corruption and Tyranny seem to be the natural way of things.
Posted by: davidt at August 07, 2023 11:27 AM (SYTee)
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60 I’ve mentioned it here before but there are a lot of social media channels with massive followings that push for the destruction of suburbs and car ownership. They’re not even coy or sly about it. their stated goal is outright bans of cars, and destruction of the suburb. Everyone needs to live in a 700 sq ft apartment in a city and take the bus everywhere. And they have millions of followers who nod in agreement. There’s no debate even. It’s not like, here are some positives for city living or living without a car you may want to consider. Their message is if you drive and live in a single family home with a yard, you’re just evil. Period.
Posted by: Montec
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Most of social media is fake including 'followers', 'likes' etc. Those can easily be rented and those people promoted on youtube etc are the ones getting compensated while others are getting demonetized.
Just like the press today has little relationship to Truth, political parties have little relationship to helping voters, and the courts have little to do with Justice. Hollowing all institutions and substituting fakery ends in failure because those institutions crumble.
Posted by: Montec
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Most of social media is fake including 'followers', 'likes' etc. Those can easily be rented and those people promoted on youtube etc are the ones getting compensated while others are getting demonetized.
Just like the press today has little relationship to Truth, political parties have little relationship to helping voters, and the courts have little to do with Justice. Hollowing all institutions and substituting fakery ends in failure because those institutions crumble.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:27 AM (bk5GW)
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If I could make damn sure a wealth tax never spread beyond billionaires, I would support it. But that's exactly how the income tax started. It would just effect a handful of people, nothing to worry about, etc. Next it will be "401k millionaires".
But a wealth tax is unconstitutional and the SC has a case in front of them that is going to put a stake though it. May even get a liberal SC vote member joining the decision.
But a wealth tax is unconstitutional and the SC has a case in front of them that is going to put a stake though it. May even get a liberal SC vote member joining the decision.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:28 AM (cOFom)
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For other people. It has been noted that the elite do not tend to have kids out of wedlock, do not tend to get divorced, do not tend to be addicted to hard drugs, and generally keep their kids away from social media.
These are poisons that the elite encourages other people to use - it keeps the lower classes from challenging their elite status.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (2tUFv)
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Look at how many social media executives - back when it was safe to talk about in during the mid-teens - treat the product and how they allow their kids to use it (spoiler alert: they don't). And then ask yourself why they don't see a problem for *your* kids.
These are poisons that the elite encourages other people to use - it keeps the lower classes from challenging their elite status.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (2tUFv)
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Look at how many social media executives - back when it was safe to talk about in during the mid-teens - treat the product and how they allow their kids to use it (spoiler alert: they don't). And then ask yourself why they don't see a problem for *your* kids.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:28 AM (t0OGg)
101
They arrogantly say that the Willamette Valley grows enough produce to feed every one.
Posted by: Beartooth at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (JqMqI)
Man cannot live on produce alone. Just ask that stupid vegan cünt that died of starvation.
They arrogantly say that the Willamette Valley grows enough produce to feed every one.
Posted by: Beartooth at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (JqMqI)
Man cannot live on produce alone. Just ask that stupid vegan cünt that died of starvation.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:28 AM (Zz0t1)
102
Oregon they are trying to get on the ballot no more killing animals. No livestock, hunting, fishing, nothing.
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Are they aware that fish eat other fish and wolves and bears hunt animals?
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Are they aware that fish eat other fish and wolves and bears hunt animals?
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:28 AM (BqIHC)
103
Leftists hate the idea of aspiration. Passionately. That is why they are so obsessed with class: they want classes to harden into castes where we little people SHUT UP and KNOW OUR PLACE.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 11:28 AM (f0XAF)
104
78 I don't see hereditary, organized monarchies making a comeback. I do see temporary, kill-or-be-killed strongmen and warlords making a very big comeback. Actually, they are already here. Look to the poorest, most dysfunctional societies, and warlords flourish. Africa, middle east, and some parts of Latin America. That is what is coming to the rest of the world. That is man's natural state.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (iFTx/)
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Which is monarchy by another name. When the strongman or President for Life (as Whig said), etc. is successful, he will be able to name his own successor. It may be hereditary or by appointment (as the Romans often did through adoption), but the point remains. If he is unsuccessful, he will be toppled by someone with more support. Monarchies fall all the time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (t0OGg)
___________
There has to be some organizational rule of law and civic background for monarchies to flourish. Some understanding that the line of royals is [insert rules here]. I don't think there will be. I think the future is brutal tribal warfare of the type seen now in places like Africa.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (iFTx/)
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Which is monarchy by another name. When the strongman or President for Life (as Whig said), etc. is successful, he will be able to name his own successor. It may be hereditary or by appointment (as the Romans often did through adoption), but the point remains. If he is unsuccessful, he will be toppled by someone with more support. Monarchies fall all the time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (t0OGg)
___________
There has to be some organizational rule of law and civic background for monarchies to flourish. Some understanding that the line of royals is [insert rules here]. I don't think there will be. I think the future is brutal tribal warfare of the type seen now in places like Africa.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:28 AM (iFTx/)
105
We are rapidly coming to the same point that split the Late Roman Empire into two separate half's. Their currency had been debased so much that it became worthless and the Empire could no long support itself, exactly what we are doing to the US dollar through constant deficit spending.
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Country continues to exist so that the elites and insiders can continue to steal from it. As soon as the currency collapses, the rats will leave the sinking ship.
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Country continues to exist so that the elites and insiders can continue to steal from it. As soon as the currency collapses, the rats will leave the sinking ship.
Posted by: And you know its true at August 07, 2023 11:28 AM (bNy/6)
106
The ultra-rich in Soylent Green had real food. Not sure where it came from but it was very expensive.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr
Good movie. Real life doesn't work that way.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr
Good movie. Real life doesn't work that way.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:28 AM (5apCz)
107
The "working class" sure narrows it down. About 90% of the population.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (f0XAF)
Thats because Int'l Finance has turned the US and the West into a FIRE economy.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (f0XAF)
Thats because Int'l Finance has turned the US and the West into a FIRE economy.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (FyO4+)
108
Many working class people like to cook with natural gas, so naturally our elite seeks to ban gas stoves.
Except for high-end restaurants where the elite eat.
When Berkeley banned the use of gas in new buildings (now legally overturned, for the time being), they gave exemptions to a couple of fancy restaurants that wanted to operate in new buildings.
Except for high-end restaurants where the elite eat.
When Berkeley banned the use of gas in new buildings (now legally overturned, for the time being), they gave exemptions to a couple of fancy restaurants that wanted to operate in new buildings.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (2tUFv)
109
89 Perfessor, demolition derbies are awesome.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (xTRSc)
110
>>They can die rather than accept it. Many will. And America *is* (or was, at least) special, but that is no guarantee. If you want to destroy your own demography, rapid high-density urbanization like the East Asians pursued for the past fifty years is a pretty good way to help achieve it.
Yea, but we are seeing just the opposite. The cities are losing a significant number of their residents thanks to the soft on crime policies and general shitty living conditions.
I don't think we even realize just how big a deal it was that Musk bought Twitter and exposed the censorship we knew was happening but couldn't prove. People are indeed pushing back and speaking out about what's happening, ask Bud Light or Target. And a growing number of parents aren't having what the schools are doing to their children.
The globalists had a big head start with their plans largely because anyone who suggested what they were doing was called a crazy conspiracy theorist and ignored. People are waking up in increasing numbers and the pushback is just beginning. Way too early to throw up our hands and accept defeat.
Yea, but we are seeing just the opposite. The cities are losing a significant number of their residents thanks to the soft on crime policies and general shitty living conditions.
I don't think we even realize just how big a deal it was that Musk bought Twitter and exposed the censorship we knew was happening but couldn't prove. People are indeed pushing back and speaking out about what's happening, ask Bud Light or Target. And a growing number of parents aren't having what the schools are doing to their children.
The globalists had a big head start with their plans largely because anyone who suggested what they were doing was called a crazy conspiracy theorist and ignored. People are waking up in increasing numbers and the pushback is just beginning. Way too early to throw up our hands and accept defeat.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (ZLI7S)
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Man cannot live on produce alone. Just ask that stupid vegan cünt that died of starvation.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
I wish the rest of them would hurry the fuck up.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
I wish the rest of them would hurry the fuck up.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (TZ75n)
112
The biggest unknown or ignored term in the English language is "economy of scale".
When you destroy an entire market segment, you will not have "boutique" anything. It becomes cost prohibitive.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:27 AM (5apCz)
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Yep. I've made that argument several times. The ONLY reason the elite can live like they do is because of the economy of scale created by the vast, vast resources that are expended to create those boutique items. Once that is gone, they WILL be eating crickets like the rest of us.
It may take a few years, but it WILL happen.
When you destroy an entire market segment, you will not have "boutique" anything. It becomes cost prohibitive.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:27 AM (5apCz)
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Yep. I've made that argument several times. The ONLY reason the elite can live like they do is because of the economy of scale created by the vast, vast resources that are expended to create those boutique items. Once that is gone, they WILL be eating crickets like the rest of us.
It may take a few years, but it WILL happen.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (YIVH2)
113
Man cannot live on produce alone. Just ask that stupid vegan cünt that died of starvation.
Posted by: Sponge
But wait Sponge, she was living her best life!
Wait a minute. . . .
Posted by: Sponge
But wait Sponge, she was living her best life!
Wait a minute. . . .
Posted by: Tonypete at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (QG3cQ)
114
102: no, and they don't care. Hell, they don't know and they don't care where their food comes from.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 11:30 AM (f0XAF)
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It has been noted that the elite do not tend to have kids out of wedlock, do not tend to get divorced, do not tend to be addicted to hard drugs, and generally keep their kids away from social media.
These are poisons that the elite encourages other people to use - it keeps the lower classes from challenging their elite status.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (2tUFv)
Excluding our president's family, of course.
These are poisons that the elite encourages other people to use - it keeps the lower classes from challenging their elite status.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (2tUFv)
Excluding our president's family, of course.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:30 AM (KbCG3)
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Oregon they are trying to get on the ballot no more killing animals. No livestock, hunting, fishing, nothing.
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If they were serious about saving the planet, they would outlaw farting.
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If they were serious about saving the planet, they would outlaw farting.
Posted by: Because its clownworld at August 07, 2023 11:30 AM (bNy/6)
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I am with you. But 5% is waaaaaay too low. Those people are eugenic.
It is honestly the 0.1%.
And the 0.1% hide behind the 0.99% by using the top 1% meme.
Posted by: Thesokorus
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The top 5% is like you maybe make six figures.
It really is the .01% that need to be gone after, even the 1% is actually a lot of "working rich" type that just own a small business.
I am with you. But 5% is waaaaaay too low. Those people are eugenic.
It is honestly the 0.1%.
And the 0.1% hide behind the 0.99% by using the top 1% meme.
Posted by: Thesokorus
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The top 5% is like you maybe make six figures.
It really is the .01% that need to be gone after, even the 1% is actually a lot of "working rich" type that just own a small business.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:30 AM (cOFom)
118
There has to be some organizational rule of law and civic background for monarchies to flourish. Some understanding that the line of royals is [insert rules here]. I don't think there will be. I think the future is brutal tribal warfare of the type seen now in places like Africa.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:28 AM (iFTx/)
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Possible, but many places - particularly Europe, East Asia and South Asia - has a long history of breaking out of that cycle and replacing it with more stable ruling systems. Not fair or honest, but more stable and richer.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:28 AM (iFTx/)
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Possible, but many places - particularly Europe, East Asia and South Asia - has a long history of breaking out of that cycle and replacing it with more stable ruling systems. Not fair or honest, but more stable and richer.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:31 AM (t0OGg)
119
89 Perfessor, demolition derbies are awesome.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (xTRSc)
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I don't doubt that, it's just not my particular interest. I have no quarrels with anyone suiting up and jumping into a roll cage held together with zip ties and prayer.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (xTRSc)
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I don't doubt that, it's just not my particular interest. I have no quarrels with anyone suiting up and jumping into a roll cage held together with zip ties and prayer.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 07, 2023 11:31 AM (YIVH2)
120
It has been noted that the elite do not tend to have kids out of wedlock, do not tend to get divorced, do not tend to be addicted to hard drugs, and generally keep their kids away from social media.
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Now you tell me!
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Now you tell me!
Posted by: Hunter Biden at August 07, 2023 11:31 AM (bNy/6)
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They arrogantly say that the Willamette Valley grows enough produce to feed every one.
Posted by: Beartooth at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (JqMqI)
Man cannot live on produce alone. Just ask that stupid vegan cünt that died of starvation.
Posted by: Sponge
Until there's a drought. Or a flood. Funny, but I've never seen Willamette Valley Roma Tomatoes or Cantaloups before.
Posted by: Beartooth at August 07, 2023 11:26 AM (JqMqI)
Man cannot live on produce alone. Just ask that stupid vegan cünt that died of starvation.
Posted by: Sponge
Until there's a drought. Or a flood. Funny, but I've never seen Willamette Valley Roma Tomatoes or Cantaloups before.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:31 AM (5apCz)
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I don't think we even realize just how big a deal it was that Musk bought Twitter and exposed the censorship we knew was happening but couldn't prove.
When someone asks me "what's changed since 2020?", this is one of the first things I mention. Many people seem to underestimate the impact, but I think it will be huge.
When someone asks me "what's changed since 2020?", this is one of the first things I mention. Many people seem to underestimate the impact, but I think it will be huge.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2023 11:31 AM (eOEVl)
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Most of social media is fake including 'followers', 'likes' etc. Those can easily be rented and those people promoted on youtube etc are the ones getting compensated while others are getting demonetized
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Sure there is some of that.
But don’t discount it.
Example on Reddit. There was a post about how Europeans walk and Americans don’t. In the comments section (which had thousands of replies) those YouTubers were mentioned repeatedly. In a good way. Like watch this video which perfectly sums up how stupid Americans are for driving so much. Which get 100 likes. And so on.
This mentality / walk good, drive evil - has permeated into the culture on the left. It’s like breathing or walking. They don’t even think about it. It just exists as a truth.
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Sure there is some of that.
But don’t discount it.
Example on Reddit. There was a post about how Europeans walk and Americans don’t. In the comments section (which had thousands of replies) those YouTubers were mentioned repeatedly. In a good way. Like watch this video which perfectly sums up how stupid Americans are for driving so much. Which get 100 likes. And so on.
This mentality / walk good, drive evil - has permeated into the culture on the left. It’s like breathing or walking. They don’t even think about it. It just exists as a truth.
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:32 AM (BqIHC)
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Most of what is called “progressivism” today is really transgressivism.
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Indeed. Nailed it ...
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Indeed. Nailed it ...
Posted by: ShainS -- We're Happy Ace's Geriatric Club ... at August 07, 2023 11:32 AM (nMFct)
125
(goes into closet to check his globalist membership card, otherwise known as a "passport": worse, it has visas)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 11:32 AM (f0XAF)
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In honor of Megan Rapinoe and her EPIC fail in the world cup over the weekend......
https://is.gd/VIOULd
Biden should be more proud of Team Canada than Team USA.
https://is.gd/VIOULd
Biden should be more proud of Team Canada than Team USA.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (Zz0t1)
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So who else laughed and laughed at that prick cunt Rapinoe after she blew an easy penalty kick? I didn't even think she was still playing. I wish her nothing but misery, pain, suffering, and eventually a slow, painful, lingering death.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (iFTx/)
128
59 Don't get me wrong - I do not wish to see Islam take over the entire northern hemisphere and think it will be a setback that might even surpass the fall of Rome and the subsequent dark ages - but do not count it out. They have something to offer and an ever-growing market that is forbidden from pursuing any meaning and standing institutions of meaning (the churches, for example) that have no will to attempt to counter it. Do not count it out.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (t0OGg)
Islam allows young, healthy, war-aged males an outlet. All the violence, rape, and conquest they want against the Enemy.
What exists to compete with that?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:20 AM (t0OGg)
Islam allows young, healthy, war-aged males an outlet. All the violence, rape, and conquest they want against the Enemy.
What exists to compete with that?
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (UnA8+)
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Yea, but we are seeing just the opposite. The cities are losing a significant number of their residents thanks to the soft on crime policies and general shitty living conditions.
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The globalists had a big head start with their plans largely because anyone who suggested what they were doing was called a crazy conspiracy theorist and ignored. People are waking up in increasing numbers and the pushback is just beginning. Way too early to throw up our hands and accept defeat.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (ZLI7S)
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I am not throwing my hands up in defeat. I *do* think that the United States as it was and is happens to be doomed and it will fracture or be overthrown or both. That is not defeatist, because I don't even see that as an entirely bad thing. I don't discount the possibility of an internal diaspora (which might be starting, but I kind of doubt it) or a new Great Awakening, either. I think an Islamic cultural takeover and a monarchy-like political takeover is the most probable outcome at the moment, but it is by no means the only one. I do think republicanism is probably dead for a few hundred years until someone tries again, though.
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The globalists had a big head start with their plans largely because anyone who suggested what they were doing was called a crazy conspiracy theorist and ignored. People are waking up in increasing numbers and the pushback is just beginning. Way too early to throw up our hands and accept defeat.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:29 AM (ZLI7S)
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I am not throwing my hands up in defeat. I *do* think that the United States as it was and is happens to be doomed and it will fracture or be overthrown or both. That is not defeatist, because I don't even see that as an entirely bad thing. I don't discount the possibility of an internal diaspora (which might be starting, but I kind of doubt it) or a new Great Awakening, either. I think an Islamic cultural takeover and a monarchy-like political takeover is the most probable outcome at the moment, but it is by no means the only one. I do think republicanism is probably dead for a few hundred years until someone tries again, though.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)
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Until there's a drought. Or a flood. Funny, but I've never seen Willamette Valley Roma Tomatoes or Cantaloups before.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:31 AM (5apCz)
Funny that they always scream global warming, yet they want to force everyone to eat vegetation that requires water and sun and CO2 to survive.
Until there's a drought. Or a flood. Funny, but I've never seen Willamette Valley Roma Tomatoes or Cantaloups before.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:31 AM (5apCz)
Funny that they always scream global warming, yet they want to force everyone to eat vegetation that requires water and sun and CO2 to survive.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
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True, but they did make huge strides in cardboard-based farming.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (eOEVl)
Ah yes a true piece of agricultural and agronomic genius that was. But the more salient event was how fast a strongman and his armed thugs arose to start running shit. No hippie dippie peace and love bullshit.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2023 11:25 AM (eOEVl)
Ah yes a true piece of agricultural and agronomic genius that was. But the more salient event was how fast a strongman and his armed thugs arose to start running shit. No hippie dippie peace and love bullshit.
Posted by: Communal at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (q1Zxb)
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So who else laughed and laughed at that prick cunt Rapinoe after she blew an easy penalty kick? I didn't even think she was still playing. I wish her nothing but misery, pain, suffering, and eventually a slow, painful, lingering death.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (iFTx/)
*raises hand*
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (iFTx/)
*raises hand*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
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50 TJM, I watched Babe this weekend, which is adorable. Then they ran Babe - Pig in the Big City. I did not know there was a sequel to Babe. It was a horror show. After about 20 minutes I turned it off. Unbelievable disaster. Do you have any insights to this nightmare?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:17 AM (C7jzY)
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Post 100:
I love the sequel. Haven't seen it in a very long time, but George Miller took the reins and made it his own insane thing. I should watch it again.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:17 AM (C7jzY)
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Post 100:
I love the sequel. Haven't seen it in a very long time, but George Miller took the reins and made it his own insane thing. I should watch it again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (LvTSG)
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Bill Buckner points and laughs at Rapinoe's flub.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (4I/2K)
135
And our private chef had better sous-vide that dog just right, or he’s gonna be going for a paddleboard ride.
Posted by: Barack H. Obama at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (xTRSc)
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It has been noted that the elite do not tend to have kids out of wedlock, do not tend to get divorced, do not tend to be addicted to hard drugs, and generally keep their kids away from social media.
*The Kennedy's have entered the chat.
Hunter and the Obama crotch-fruit are lining up.
*The Kennedy's have entered the chat.
Hunter and the Obama crotch-fruit are lining up.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (5apCz)
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Islam allows young, healthy, war-aged males an outlet. All the violence, rape, and conquest they want against the Enemy.
What exists to compete with that?
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (UnA8+)
Grand Theft Auto?
What exists to compete with that?
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (UnA8+)
Grand Theft Auto?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (KbCG3)
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Our overlords mock our patriotism and faith, yet they demand that we “celebrate” their causes and display the banners to which they profess fealty.
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* Bitter Clinger has entered the chat *
Posted by: ShainS -- We're Happy Ace's Geriatric Club ... at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (nMFct)
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" When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
Time for a second look.....
Time for a second look.....
Posted by: Norman Spiny at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (rh5Jc)
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127: AZ (not our illustrious poster; but rather, the Brit YouTuber from heelvsbabyface) showed this and highlighted it on Afternoon Tea Time with AZ yesterday on YT. Hilarious.
Drove home yesterday morning playing Meshuggah in Sweden's honor.
Drove home yesterday morning playing Meshuggah in Sweden's honor.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (f0XAF)
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It really is the .01% that need to be gone after, even the 1% is actually a lot of "working rich" type that just own a small business.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:30 AM (cOFom)
Sure. If we want to be completely precise it is the 0.001% or even 0.0001%.
30,000 or 3,000 ppl assuming 300mil pop.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:30 AM (cOFom)
Sure. If we want to be completely precise it is the 0.001% or even 0.0001%.
30,000 or 3,000 ppl assuming 300mil pop.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (OnmGW)
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Islam allows young, healthy, war-aged males an outlet. All the violence, rape, and conquest they want against the Enemy.
What exists to compete with that?
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (UnA8+)
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Internal improvement is what used to. Be responsible, be violent when needed, get a wife, have kids, protect them and produce. Go to church to learn how and reject - violently if necessary - anyone who tells you that you can't or that it's bad.
But all of those structures have been cut down, leaving one hell of an opening.
What exists to compete with that?
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (UnA8+)
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Internal improvement is what used to. Be responsible, be violent when needed, get a wife, have kids, protect them and produce. Go to church to learn how and reject - violently if necessary - anyone who tells you that you can't or that it's bad.
But all of those structures have been cut down, leaving one hell of an opening.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:36 AM (t0OGg)
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Excluding our president's family, of course.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
They're parasites. Essentially, they run nothing. This is the .01 rubbing our nose in the shit pile.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
They're parasites. Essentially, they run nothing. This is the .01 rubbing our nose in the shit pile.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 07, 2023 11:36 AM (TZ75n)
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142 Internal improvement is what used to. Be responsible, be violent when needed, get a wife, have kids, protect them and produce. Go to church to learn how and reject - violently if necessary - anyone who tells you that you can't or that it's bad.
But all of those structures have been cut down, leaving one hell of an opening.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:36 AM (t0OGg)
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Here's an alternate path for young men:
Become the best women.
But all of those structures have been cut down, leaving one hell of an opening.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:36 AM (t0OGg)
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Here's an alternate path for young men:
Become the best women.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:36 AM (LvTSG)
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Bill Buckner points and laughs at Rapinoe's flub.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (4I/2K)
Yes, but people actually give a shit about baseball, so you're still the goat, and not the acronym. She'll be forgotten in a week.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (4I/2K)
Yes, but people actually give a shit about baseball, so you're still the goat, and not the acronym. She'll be forgotten in a week.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)
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Bill Buckner points and laughs at Rapinoe's flub.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (4I/2K)
BUCKNER WAS FUNCTIONALLY CRIPPLED THOUGH AND STILL GOOD
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (4I/2K)
BUCKNER WAS FUNCTIONALLY CRIPPLED THOUGH AND STILL GOOD
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (OnmGW)
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11 8 "undermined most western traditions, including family and Christianity"
What do you know? Exactly Karl Marx goals
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 11:04 AM (EKsjb)
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"Really, I just wanted my friend's dad to keep me in room and board."
-Marx
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:05 AM (LvTSG)
Religion is the opiate of the people, man. The Proletariate hold on to traditions more than the Bourgeoisie do, so must be retaught.
What do you know? Exactly Karl Marx goals
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 11:04 AM (EKsjb)
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"Really, I just wanted my friend's dad to keep me in room and board."
-Marx
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:05 AM (LvTSG)
Religion is the opiate of the people, man. The Proletariate hold on to traditions more than the Bourgeoisie do, so must be retaught.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (ynpvh)
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137 Islam allows young, healthy, war-aged males an outlet. All the violence, rape, and conquest they want against the Enemy.
What exists to compete with that?
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (UnA8+)
Grand Theft Auto?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (KbCG3)
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Riots in Union Square over stupid video games
What exists to compete with that?
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:33 AM (UnA8+)
Grand Theft Auto?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (KbCG3)
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Riots in Union Square over stupid video games
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (iFTx/)
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I love the sequel. Haven't seen it in a very long time, but George Miller took the reins and made it his own insane thing. I should watch it again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (LvTSG)
The death races in souped-up scavenged vehicles were something else, especially when they ran over all those people at the zoo.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (LvTSG)
The death races in souped-up scavenged vehicles were something else, especially when they ran over all those people at the zoo.
Posted by: Greeting from at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (q1Zxb)
150
The Left didn't slay the bourgeois, they became the bourgeois.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (CBajr)
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Until there's a drought. Or a flood. Funny, but I've never seen Willamette Valley Roma Tomatoes or Cantaloups before.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:31 AM (5apCz)
Funny that they always scream global warming, yet they want to force everyone to eat vegetation that requires water and sun and CO2 to survive.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
Their examples of the downsides are rising ocean levels and more violent storms.
Well, the storms are the same. The ocean levels are the same. But let's say those downsides actually do come true.
IF global warming also led to longer, more fruitful growing seasons, wouldn't this be a net positive?
Until there's a drought. Or a flood. Funny, but I've never seen Willamette Valley Roma Tomatoes or Cantaloups before.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:31 AM (5apCz)
Funny that they always scream global warming, yet they want to force everyone to eat vegetation that requires water and sun and CO2 to survive.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
Their examples of the downsides are rising ocean levels and more violent storms.
Well, the storms are the same. The ocean levels are the same. But let's say those downsides actually do come true.
IF global warming also led to longer, more fruitful growing seasons, wouldn't this be a net positive?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (KbCG3)
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Oregon they are trying to get on the ballot no more killing animals. No livestock, hunting, fishing, nothing.
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But what about politicians? When is the season and what is the limit?
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But what about politicians? When is the season and what is the limit?
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (e4fEA)
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I love the sequel. Haven't seen it in a very long time, but George Miller took the reins and made it his own insane thing. I should watch it again.
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Jeebus. You loved that?
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Jeebus. You loved that?
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (C7jzY)
154
Totally screwed up my own joke. Dammit.
Posted by: Greeting from the Hammungus! The Lord Hammungus! at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (q1Zxb)
155
The Left didn't slay the bourgeois, they became the bourgeois.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (CBajr)
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The bourgeois were always an illusion.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (CBajr)
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The bourgeois were always an illusion.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)
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Grand Theft Auto?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (KbCG3)
https://is.gd/sSzQRf
Grand Theft Auto?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (KbCG3)
https://is.gd/sSzQRf
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (Zz0t1)
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Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft where we are hard, and cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we
are. They are different.
are. They are different.
Posted by: F. Scott Fitzgerald at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (4I/2K)
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IF global warming also led to longer, more fruitful growing seasons, wouldn't this be a net positive?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (KbCG3)
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Only if you like people.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (KbCG3)
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Only if you like people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)
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idealize life in high-style micro-apartments and expensive designer tiny houses, and call for the replacement of cars by mass transit.
In Portland and elsewhere, "transit activists" bitterly oppose the construction of "park-n-rides" at mass transit stops.
The reason: "park-n-rides" allow people in single-family housing to drive a few miles to a mass transit stop, park, and then take mass transit the rest of the way; and "transit activists" hate single family housing just as much as they hate cars.
Pre-covid, the "transit activists" successfully crippled ridership on Portland's newest light rail line by sharply limiting the size of the parking garage at the last stop on the line. The garage fills up, and people simply drive into work.
Post-covid, of course, transit ridership is down by half, because the transit agencies allowed drug-addled homeless people to take over the transit system.
Curiously, people don't want to ride in light rail cars where junkies are smoking hard drugs.
In Portland and elsewhere, "transit activists" bitterly oppose the construction of "park-n-rides" at mass transit stops.
The reason: "park-n-rides" allow people in single-family housing to drive a few miles to a mass transit stop, park, and then take mass transit the rest of the way; and "transit activists" hate single family housing just as much as they hate cars.
Pre-covid, the "transit activists" successfully crippled ridership on Portland's newest light rail line by sharply limiting the size of the parking garage at the last stop on the line. The garage fills up, and people simply drive into work.
Post-covid, of course, transit ridership is down by half, because the transit agencies allowed drug-addled homeless people to take over the transit system.
Curiously, people don't want to ride in light rail cars where junkies are smoking hard drugs.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (2tUFv)
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>>When someone asks me "what's changed since 2020?", this is one of the first things I mention. Many people seem to underestimate the impact, but I think it will be huge.
They never would have been able to hide Hunter's laptop had they not controlled social media. That's just one issue but it could have swung the election in 2020.
Yesterday Musk announced that he would pay the legal bills for anyone who lost their job because they liked a tweet. He is not having the cancelling either.
Personally I think most of the left is a paper tiger. They only appear dominate because we haven't been able to had the will to fight back. Now we have the ability, let's see if we have the will.
They never would have been able to hide Hunter's laptop had they not controlled social media. That's just one issue but it could have swung the election in 2020.
Yesterday Musk announced that he would pay the legal bills for anyone who lost their job because they liked a tweet. He is not having the cancelling either.
Personally I think most of the left is a paper tiger. They only appear dominate because we haven't been able to had the will to fight back. Now we have the ability, let's see if we have the will.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (ZLI7S)
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155 The Left didn't slay the bourgeois, they became the bourgeois.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (CBajr)
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The bourgeois were always an illusion.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)
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Like most Marxist critique of society, it's outdated, imprecise, and largely just an excuse to power.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (CBajr)
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The bourgeois were always an illusion.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)
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Like most Marxist critique of society, it's outdated, imprecise, and largely just an excuse to power.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
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152 Oregon they are trying to get on the ballot no more killing animals. No livestock, hunting, fishing, nothing.
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But what about politicians? When is the season and what is the limit?
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (e4fEA)
Declare them vegetables.
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But what about politicians? When is the season and what is the limit?
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (e4fEA)
Declare them vegetables.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (ynpvh)
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The bourgeois were always an illusion.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)
As was Capital.
It was all a psy-op to distract from usury.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)
As was Capital.
It was all a psy-op to distract from usury.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (OnmGW)
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We are in the midst of one of the most radical revolutions in American history. It is as far-reaching and dangerous as the turbulent years of the 1850s and 1860s or the 1930s. Every aspect of American life and culture is under assault, including the very processes by which we govern ourselves, and the manner in which we live.
~~VDH
~~VDH
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (144vi)
Posted by: JT at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (T4tVD)
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Our elder statesman are hoping to keep it going for another 5 years or so. They want to be dead of natural causes before The Deluge.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
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A lot of them believe they are on the cusp of a much more extended life. If you believe in a better afterlife, then why not go to a better place. For those that don't or suspect they will not go to that better place, these people will fight and claw to stay alive by any means possible.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
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A lot of them believe they are on the cusp of a much more extended life. If you believe in a better afterlife, then why not go to a better place. For those that don't or suspect they will not go to that better place, these people will fight and claw to stay alive by any means possible.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (bk5GW)
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Like most Marxist critique of society, it's outdated, imprecise, and largely just an excuse to power.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
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Yup. They want power and made a new interpretation of society to justify it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
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Yup. They want power and made a new interpretation of society to justify it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (t0OGg)
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Do you have any insights to this nightmare?
What does watching a movie have to do with any of this?
What does watching a movie have to do with any of this?
Posted by: That guy who always asks... at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (Xrfse)
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Pigs are filthy animals
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
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Having vandalized every premodern tradition, the elite antinomians of the modern West now don’t know what to do next.
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Is he kidding? Of course they know. Maybe some of us are the ones that don't know, but trust me they do. They know what's next and they know what comes after that.
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Is he kidding? Of course they know. Maybe some of us are the ones that don't know, but trust me they do. They know what's next and they know what comes after that.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (CBajr)
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Fantastic analysis of what is happening in the West.
My boomer relatives, with the "Dems are for the little guys" fantasy that, if it ever really existed, hasn't really applied for decades, would not be able to comprehend this and will continue to support the Dem (and Uniparty/WEF) policies that are crushing the little guy.
My boomer relatives, with the "Dems are for the little guys" fantasy that, if it ever really existed, hasn't really applied for decades, would not be able to comprehend this and will continue to support the Dem (and Uniparty/WEF) policies that are crushing the little guy.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)
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Pigs are filthy animals
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
So, they can keep the change, then?
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
So, they can keep the change, then?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)
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A lot of them believe they are on the cusp of a much more extended life. If you believe in a better afterlife, then why not go to a better place. For those that don't or suspect they will not go to that better place, these people will fight and claw to stay alive by any means possible.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (bk5GW)
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I think of them think that there *is* an afterlife, and they know where the guy they made the deal with is going to make sure they spend it, and so want to avoid it for as long as possible.
I also think that they're the minority.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (bk5GW)
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I think of them think that there *is* an afterlife, and they know where the guy they made the deal with is going to make sure they spend it, and so want to avoid it for as long as possible.
I also think that they're the minority.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (t0OGg)
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TJM, what do you think of Ida Lupino? Mrs. B and I watched one of her film noirs on TCM, and Eddie Muller called her “the most talented woman in Hollywood,” since she acted, wrote, directed, and produced. Can’t say he’s wrong.
Also very easy on the eyes.
Also very easy on the eyes.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (xTRSc)
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"We urgently need to shatter elite privilege, force them to live in the same world as we do"
Someone explain to me a working outcome that involves these people coexisting with us. Because I'm not seeing it.
The juice isn't worth the squeeze for the "eat zee bugz" section of the so-called elites.
Someone explain to me a working outcome that involves these people coexisting with us. Because I'm not seeing it.
The juice isn't worth the squeeze for the "eat zee bugz" section of the so-called elites.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (QBv/U)
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172 Pigs are filthy animals
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
So, they can keep the change, then?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)
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Just what an angel with a dirty soul would say.
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
So, they can keep the change, then?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)
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Just what an angel with a dirty soul would say.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (LvTSG)
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156
Grand Theft Auto?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (KbCG3)
https://is.gd/sSzQRf
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (Zz0t1)
No tears shed if they were all shot dead. Only problem is St. Louis would prosecute the homeowner.
Grand Theft Auto?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:35 AM (KbCG3)
https://is.gd/sSzQRf
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (Zz0t1)
No tears shed if they were all shot dead. Only problem is St. Louis would prosecute the homeowner.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (ynpvh)
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Like most Marxist critique of society, it's outdated, imprecise, and largely just an excuse to power.
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The 19th C was full of crackpot cafe prophets. The only one that made any sense about the future was Veblen.
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The 19th C was full of crackpot cafe prophets. The only one that made any sense about the future was Veblen.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (C7jzY)
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Like most Marxist critique of society, it's outdated, imprecise, and largely just an excuse to power.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
No. Disagree. The critical apparatus is very powerful. It had to be to work and it was and did.
The apparatus is distinct from the intent.
The diagnosis is distinct from the prescription.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (LvTSG)
No. Disagree. The critical apparatus is very powerful. It had to be to work and it was and did.
The apparatus is distinct from the intent.
The diagnosis is distinct from the prescription.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (OnmGW)
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174 TJM, what do you think of Ida Lupino? Mrs. B and I watched one of her film noirs on TCM, and Eddie Muller called her “the most talented woman in Hollywood,” since she acted, wrote, directed, and produced. Can’t say he’s wrong.
Also very easy on the eyes.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (xTRSc)
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I've seen a couple of movies she's been in. That's about it. No real opinion, though I do know that she was accomplished in more areas than just acting.
Also very easy on the eyes.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (xTRSc)
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I've seen a couple of movies she's been in. That's about it. No real opinion, though I do know that she was accomplished in more areas than just acting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:42 AM (LvTSG)
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Declare them vegetables.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (ynpvh)
Oh. Like Feinstein.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (ynpvh)
Oh. Like Feinstein.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (e4fEA)
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It has been noted that the elite do not tend to have kids out of wedlock, do not tend to get divorced, do not tend to be addicted to hard drugs, and generally keep their kids away from social media
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New study came out recently that the percent of 40 year olds never married is at an all time high in the US. But, when yiu break it down by demographics, upper middle class whites are at the same levels they were 20,30 years ago.
Upper middle class whites push for the breakdown of the family, but they themselves are still getting married and having kids in the traditional way.
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New study came out recently that the percent of 40 year olds never married is at an all time high in the US. But, when yiu break it down by demographics, upper middle class whites are at the same levels they were 20,30 years ago.
Upper middle class whites push for the breakdown of the family, but they themselves are still getting married and having kids in the traditional way.
Posted by: Montec at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (BqIHC)
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158 IF global warming also led to longer, more fruitful growing seasons, wouldn't this be a net positive?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (KbCG3)
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Only if you like people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)
And I do not. Glad that's settled.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:37 AM (KbCG3)
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Only if you like people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (t0OGg)
And I do not. Glad that's settled.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (KbCG3)
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If you want to destroy your own demography, rapid high-density urbanization like the East Asians pursued for the past fifty years is a pretty good way to help achieve it.
South Korea has the lowest total fertility rate on earth.
America is still pretty close to replacement total fertility.
If you want your population to collapse, make everyone live in a high-rise apartment where it is almost impossible to have multiple kids.
South Korea has the lowest total fertility rate on earth.
America is still pretty close to replacement total fertility.
If you want your population to collapse, make everyone live in a high-rise apartment where it is almost impossible to have multiple kids.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (2tUFv)
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So it's a movie thread now?
Posted by: I gotta ask at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (NBVIP)
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Personally I think most of the left is a paper tiger. They only appear dominate because we haven't been able to had the will to fight back. Now we have the ability, let's see if we have the will.
Posted by: JackStraw
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One of the left's biggest hoaxes is that of the 50-50 nation. Leftism has never ranged much about about 20-30 percent of the population and it is more dependent on economic crises than shibboleths like global warming/overpopulation/nuclear winter, etc.
But, this population has an outsized influence on gubmint and its policies including those on staff of nominal Republicans. That is the problem.
Posted by: JackStraw
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One of the left's biggest hoaxes is that of the 50-50 nation. Leftism has never ranged much about about 20-30 percent of the population and it is more dependent on economic crises than shibboleths like global warming/overpopulation/nuclear winter, etc.
But, this population has an outsized influence on gubmint and its policies including those on staff of nominal Republicans. That is the problem.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (bk5GW)
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My boomer relatives, with the "Dems are for the little guys" fantasy that, if it ever really existed, hasn't really applied for decades, would not be able to comprehend this and will continue to support the Dem (and Uniparty/WEF) policies that are crushing the little guy.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)
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That isn't just a boomer thing. I am a Dread Millennial and this shit was waist-deep when I was in college. After Obama this started to change but the older Millennials at least *still* believe it.
When I was in college, I vividly recall this exact thing. A girl the same age as me (and a radical feminist and open communist) was talking about some uncle of hers who was a Republican. She said - and this is I think a direct quote, because it really stuck with me about how stupid these perceptions are - "I don't get why he's a Republican. He's not even rich."
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)
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That isn't just a boomer thing. I am a Dread Millennial and this shit was waist-deep when I was in college. After Obama this started to change but the older Millennials at least *still* believe it.
When I was in college, I vividly recall this exact thing. A girl the same age as me (and a radical feminist and open communist) was talking about some uncle of hers who was a Republican. She said - and this is I think a direct quote, because it really stuck with me about how stupid these perceptions are - "I don't get why he's a Republican. He's not even rich."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (t0OGg)
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178 The 19th C was full of crackpot cafe prophets. The only one that made any sense about the future was Veblen.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (C7jzY)
Evola was technically alive in the 1800s, if you want to stretch it...
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (C7jzY)
Evola was technically alive in the 1800s, if you want to stretch it...
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:44 AM (UnA8+)
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Most of what is called “progressivism” today is really transgressivism.
Indeed. Nailed it ...
Posted by: ShainS -- We're Happy Ace's Geriatric Club ... at August 07, 2023 11:32 AM (nMFct)
Concur. Whenever I hear some lefty douchebag going on and on about "moving forward", "evolving", "making progress", "eyes on the prize", blah, blah, blah, they need to be told to blow it out their ass. All BS.
Indeed. Nailed it ...
Posted by: ShainS -- We're Happy Ace's Geriatric Club ... at August 07, 2023 11:32 AM (nMFct)
Concur. Whenever I hear some lefty douchebag going on and on about "moving forward", "evolving", "making progress", "eyes on the prize", blah, blah, blah, they need to be told to blow it out their ass. All BS.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 07, 2023 11:44 AM (5L/TD)
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178 Like most Marxist critique of society, it's outdated, imprecise, and largely just an excuse to power.
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The 19th C was full of crackpot cafe prophets. The only one that made any sense about the future was Veblen.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (C7jzY)
"That's so stupid it might actually work!"
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The 19th C was full of crackpot cafe prophets. The only one that made any sense about the future was Veblen.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (C7jzY)
"That's so stupid it might actually work!"
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:44 AM (ynpvh)
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Yup. They want power and made a new interpretation of society to justify it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (t0OGg)
Ppl see their enemies clearer than they see themselves.
The critiques of W from the DEMs and Clinton from the GOP were both correct.
As were the critiques of Obama.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (t0OGg)
Ppl see their enemies clearer than they see themselves.
The critiques of W from the DEMs and Clinton from the GOP were both correct.
As were the critiques of Obama.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:44 AM (OnmGW)
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Ida know about Ida Lupino, but Janet Lupino was something!
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (4I/2K)
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If you want your population to collapse, make everyone live in a high-rise apartment where it is almost impossible to have multiple kids.
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We're working on it...
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We're working on it...
Posted by: Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (fs1hN)
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We are in the midst of one of the most radical revolutions in American history. It is as far-reaching and dangerous as the turbulent years of the 1850s and 1860s or the 1930s. Every aspect of American life and culture is under assault, including the very processes by which we govern ourselves, and the manner in which we live.
~~VDH
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (144
Did VDH forget about the 60’s and 70’s ?
~~VDH
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 11:39 AM (144
Did VDH forget about the 60’s and 70’s ?
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (MNhXM)
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https://is.gd/sSzQRf
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (Zz0t1)
No tears shed if they were all shot dead. Only problem is St. Louis would prosecute the homeowner.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (ynpvh)
They seem nice.
In other news, the latter part of Planet Of The Apes is on Retro channel.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (Zz0t1)
No tears shed if they were all shot dead. Only problem is St. Louis would prosecute the homeowner.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (ynpvh)
They seem nice.
In other news, the latter part of Planet Of The Apes is on Retro channel.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (ufFY8)
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If you want to break up anything I would suggest the Media. Its a protection/extortion racket with all of them goose stepping. The Constitution requires a free press not a Unified Press owned and operated by a few.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (C7jzY)
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No. Disagree. The critical apparatus is very powerful. It had to be to work and it was and did.
The apparatus is distinct from the intent.
The diagnosis is distinct from the prescription.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (OnmGW)
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I don't think he said that the critical apparatus was outdated and useless, just that the Marxist Critique is finally old enough to be shown for what it always was.
The Critical Theorists understood this earlier than their Marxist brothers, which is why they are now in the commanding heights of power throughout the west.
The apparatus is distinct from the intent.
The diagnosis is distinct from the prescription.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (OnmGW)
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I don't think he said that the critical apparatus was outdated and useless, just that the Marxist Critique is finally old enough to be shown for what it always was.
The Critical Theorists understood this earlier than their Marxist brothers, which is why they are now in the commanding heights of power throughout the west.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (t0OGg)
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185 So it's a movie thread now?
Posted by: I gotta ask at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (NBVIP)
Yup! Saw The Many Saints of Newark this weekend. What a POS that was. Was like an extended episode of The Sopranos without the stuff you enjoyed about The Sopranos.
They should've just called it Cameos of Younger Versions of Names You Remember from The Sopranos and been upfront about it.
Posted by: I gotta ask at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (NBVIP)
Yup! Saw The Many Saints of Newark this weekend. What a POS that was. Was like an extended episode of The Sopranos without the stuff you enjoyed about The Sopranos.
They should've just called it Cameos of Younger Versions of Names You Remember from The Sopranos and been upfront about it.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (KbCG3)
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No tears shed if they were all shot dead. Only problem is St. Louis would prosecute the homeowner.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (ynpvh)
That shit shows up at my door and I'm taking Joe Biden's advise and firing through the door.
No tears shed if they were all shot dead. Only problem is St. Louis would prosecute the homeowner.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (ynpvh)
That shit shows up at my door and I'm taking Joe Biden's advise and firing through the door.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)
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I think an Islamic cultural takeover and a monarchy-like political takeover is the most probable outcome at the moment, but it is by no means the only one. I do think republicanism is probably dead for a few hundred years until someone tries again, though.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)
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I've been telling students for years that there is absolutely no rule that says America will always be like it is. There is no guarantee that when you get up tomorrow there will be food available at the store, a Mall to go to, or gas for the car. The America I grew up in is gone. The America they are growing up in is disappearing.
The looks on their faces is laughable. A few get it. the rest will discover it the hard way.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:34 AM (t0OGg)
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I've been telling students for years that there is absolutely no rule that says America will always be like it is. There is no guarantee that when you get up tomorrow there will be food available at the store, a Mall to go to, or gas for the car. The America I grew up in is gone. The America they are growing up in is disappearing.
The looks on their faces is laughable. A few get it. the rest will discover it the hard way.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (e4fEA)
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184 If you want to destroy your own demography, rapid high-density urbanization like the East Asians pursued for the past fifty years is a pretty good way to help achieve it.
South Korea has the lowest total fertility rate on earth.
America is still pretty close to replacement total fertility.
If you want your population to collapse, make everyone live in a high-rise apartment where it is almost impossible to have multiple kids.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (2tUFv)
The mouse utopia experiments.
South Korea has the lowest total fertility rate on earth.
America is still pretty close to replacement total fertility.
If you want your population to collapse, make everyone live in a high-rise apartment where it is almost impossible to have multiple kids.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (2tUFv)
The mouse utopia experiments.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)
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169 Pigs are filthy animals
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (xcxpd)
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"69
They can die rather than accept it. Many will. And America *is* (or was, at least) special, but that is no guarantee. If you want to destroy your own demography, rapid high-density urbanization like the East Asians pursued for the past fifty years is a pretty good way to help achieve it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:22 AM (t0OGg)"
I think large chunks of North America are basically done for already unless something really horrible happens. And it could, if we get an outright shooting war. Our infrastructure is among the most fragile ever created in what it considered a developed nation, by the standards of the day.
But they're never going to root out the holdouts in the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachia, and maybe that stretch from East TX to the panhandle. This is probably the single biggest factor in where we're GTFO'ing to.
They can die rather than accept it. Many will. And America *is* (or was, at least) special, but that is no guarantee. If you want to destroy your own demography, rapid high-density urbanization like the East Asians pursued for the past fifty years is a pretty good way to help achieve it.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:22 AM (t0OGg)"
I think large chunks of North America are basically done for already unless something really horrible happens. And it could, if we get an outright shooting war. Our infrastructure is among the most fragile ever created in what it considered a developed nation, by the standards of the day.
But they're never going to root out the holdouts in the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachia, and maybe that stretch from East TX to the panhandle. This is probably the single biggest factor in where we're GTFO'ing to.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (QBv/U)
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Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:44 AM (OnmGW)
What critique from the Left about W were correct?
What critique from the Left about W were correct?
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (MNhXM)
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The 19th C was full of crackpot cafe prophets. The only one that made any sense about the future was Veblen.
Posted by: Puddinhead
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Veblen was just as crackpot when he called for the Technologists to be the new ruling class. He does have some useful insights into the sociology at the time but his theory of government are crackers.
Economists are out of their depth, more or less, when considering the problem of government. Excellent at critiquing but fundamentally devoid of understanding human psychology and sociology.
Posted by: Puddinhead
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Veblen was just as crackpot when he called for the Technologists to be the new ruling class. He does have some useful insights into the sociology at the time but his theory of government are crackers.
Economists are out of their depth, more or less, when considering the problem of government. Excellent at critiquing but fundamentally devoid of understanding human psychology and sociology.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (bk5GW)
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I don't think we even realize just how big a deal it was that Musk bought Twitter and exposed the censorship we knew was happening but couldn't prove.
When someone asks me "what's changed since 2020?", this is one of the first things I mention. Many people seem to underestimate the impact, but I think it will be huge.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Musk has been a gift from heaven, even if you find him annoying.
What our side needs (and used to have) is a lot of rich people bankrolling us. The Left has that.
When someone asks me "what's changed since 2020?", this is one of the first things I mention. Many people seem to underestimate the impact, but I think it will be huge.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Musk has been a gift from heaven, even if you find him annoying.
What our side needs (and used to have) is a lot of rich people bankrolling us. The Left has that.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:47 AM (/Hxs8)
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187 When I was in college, I vividly recall this exact thing. A girl the same age as me (and a radical feminist and open communist) was talking about some uncle of hers who was a Republican. She said - and this is I think a direct quote, because it really stuck with me about how stupid these perceptions are - "I don't get why he's a Republican. He's not even rich."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (t0OGg)
I kind of worked with someone like this at one point.
I pointed out to him that most of the insanely wealthy are actually on the Left these days, and he said "I know, but I don't care. Nothing could ever make me vote for someone on the right, now matter how bad the Left gets."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (t0OGg)
I kind of worked with someone like this at one point.
I pointed out to him that most of the insanely wealthy are actually on the Left these days, and he said "I know, but I don't care. Nothing could ever make me vote for someone on the right, now matter how bad the Left gets."
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:47 AM (UnA8+)
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"My boomer relatives, with the "Dems are for the little guys" fantasy that, if it ever really existed, hasn't really applied for decades, would not be able to comprehend this and will continue to support the Dem (and Uniparty/WEF) policies that are crushing the little guy.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)"
They know better, they're just happily virtue signalling, expecting shit not to fall apart until after they're dead.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)"
They know better, they're just happily virtue signalling, expecting shit not to fall apart until after they're dead.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 11:47 AM (QBv/U)
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187 My boomer relatives, with the "Dems are for the little guys" fantasy that, if it ever really existed, hasn't really applied for decades, would not be able to comprehend this and will continue to support the Dem (and Uniparty/WEF) policies that are crushing the little guy.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)
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That isn't just a boomer thing. I am a Dread Millennial and this shit was waist-deep when I was in college. After Obama this started to change but the older Millennials at least *still* believe it.
When I was in college, I vividly recall this exact thing. A girl the same age as me (and a radical feminist and open communist) was talking about some uncle of hers who was a Republican. She said - and this is I think a direct quote, because it really stuck with me about how stupid these perceptions are - "I don't get why he's a Republican. He's not even rich."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (t0OGg)
And how many rich Dems are there? Bernie is rich. Hillary is rich. Obama is rich.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)
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That isn't just a boomer thing. I am a Dread Millennial and this shit was waist-deep when I was in college. After Obama this started to change but the older Millennials at least *still* believe it.
When I was in college, I vividly recall this exact thing. A girl the same age as me (and a radical feminist and open communist) was talking about some uncle of hers who was a Republican. She said - and this is I think a direct quote, because it really stuck with me about how stupid these perceptions are - "I don't get why he's a Republican. He's not even rich."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (t0OGg)
And how many rich Dems are there? Bernie is rich. Hillary is rich. Obama is rich.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:47 AM (ynpvh)
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205 Economists are out of their depth, more or less, when considering the problem of government. Excellent at critiquing but fundamentally devoid of understanding human psychology and sociology.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (bk5GW)
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Paul Krugman got into economics because he loved the idea of psyhohistory dictating and mapping out the future in the Foundation novels by Asimov.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (bk5GW)
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Paul Krugman got into economics because he loved the idea of psyhohistory dictating and mapping out the future in the Foundation novels by Asimov.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (LvTSG)
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Pigs are filthy animals
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM
Pigs might taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I'd never eat the filthy muthafuckahs.
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM
Pigs might taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I'd never eat the filthy muthafuckahs.
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (FVJNG)
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If you want to break up anything I would suggest the Media. Its a protection/extortion racket with all of them goose stepping. The Constitution requires a free press not a Unified Press owned and operated by a few.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (C7jzY)
Mention extortion again and we'll have your legs broken.
Posted by: Puddinhead at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (C7jzY)
Mention extortion again and we'll have your legs broken.
Posted by: The Media at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (4I/2K)
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The looks on their faces is laughable. A few get it. the rest will discover it the hard way.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (e4fEA)
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https://is.gd/eqlktY
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (e4fEA)
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https://is.gd/eqlktY
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (t0OGg)
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Pigs are filthy animals
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM
Dude. You said I was charming!
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM
Dude. You said I was charming!
Posted by: Arnold at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (a3Q+t)
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BabylonBee: FBI Sends In Heavily Armed Tactical Team To Unscrew Incandescent Light Bulb
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (RHGPo)
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“The State has taken the place of God; that is why, seen from this angle, the socialist dictatorships are religions and State slavery is a form of worship.” Carl Jung
Posted by: I M Simpleton at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (cwq7b)
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Economists are out of their depth, more or less, when considering the problem of government. Excellent at critiquing but fundamentally devoid of understanding human psychology and sociology.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (bk5GW)
I've found just about every economist after Adam Smith to be pretty incompetent, both for modeling economies and for making suggestions on how to improve them.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (bk5GW)
I've found just about every economist after Adam Smith to be pretty incompetent, both for modeling economies and for making suggestions on how to improve them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:49 AM (xcxpd)
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When I was in college, I vividly recall this exact thing. A girl the same age as me (and a radical feminist and open communist) was talking about some uncle of hers who was a Republican. She said - and this is I think a direct quote, because it really stuck with me about how stupid these perceptions are - "I don't get why he's a Republican. He's not even rich."
Posted by: Joe Mannix
The funniest thing on earf? If Republicans are rich, who owns all the businesses in blue states?
It's not the Republicans.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
The funniest thing on earf? If Republicans are rich, who owns all the businesses in blue states?
It's not the Republicans.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:49 AM (5apCz)
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No tears shed if they were all shot dead. Only problem is St. Louis would prosecute the homeowner.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (ynpvh)
That shit shows up at my door and I'm taking Joe Biden's advise and firing through the door.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)
Hope I'm on your jury...oh wait, we don't even live in the same state. Sorry.
No tears shed if they were all shot dead. Only problem is St. Louis would prosecute the homeowner.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (ynpvh)
That shit shows up at my door and I'm taking Joe Biden's advise and firing through the door.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (Zz0t1)
Hope I'm on your jury...oh wait, we don't even live in the same state. Sorry.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:49 AM (ynpvh)
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I think large chunks of North America are basically done for already unless something really horrible happens. And it could, if we get an outright shooting war. Our infrastructure is among the most fragile ever created in what it considered a developed nation, by the standards of the day.
But they're never going to root out the holdouts in the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachia, and maybe that stretch from East TX to the panhandle. This is probably the single biggest factor in where we're GTFO'ing to.
Posted by: somedood
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Concentration in urban areas never guarantees success simply because a large proportion of that population can barely feed itself and in almost all urban areas, local government is dysfunctional at best.
But they're never going to root out the holdouts in the Rockies, Cascades, Appalachia, and maybe that stretch from East TX to the panhandle. This is probably the single biggest factor in where we're GTFO'ing to.
Posted by: somedood
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Concentration in urban areas never guarantees success simply because a large proportion of that population can barely feed itself and in almost all urban areas, local government is dysfunctional at best.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:49 AM (bk5GW)
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We are in the midst of one of the most radical revolutions in American history.
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The time to observe this was 2008, possibly much earlier. But observers like Sarah Palin were ripped apart by her own purported side.
Then again, so was I...
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The time to observe this was 2008, possibly much earlier. But observers like Sarah Palin were ripped apart by her own purported side.
Then again, so was I...
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 11:49 AM (CBajr)
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South Korea has the lowest total fertility rate on earth.
OTOH, Nigeria has 230 million people, and a total fertility rate of 5.1 kids per woman (2.1 is replacement fertility), so the population is still more than doubling every generation.
Africa is the last place on Earth where the population is still growing rapidly, which is going to have interesting global effects over the next fifty years.
OTOH, Nigeria has 230 million people, and a total fertility rate of 5.1 kids per woman (2.1 is replacement fertility), so the population is still more than doubling every generation.
Africa is the last place on Earth where the population is still growing rapidly, which is going to have interesting global effects over the next fifty years.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (2tUFv)
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I pointed out to him that most of the insanely wealthy are actually on the Left these days, and he said "I know, but I don't care. Nothing could ever make me vote for someone on the right, now matter how bad the Left gets."
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:47 AM (UnA8+)
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At least he was honest about being a knee-jerk slave to the Left. It adds clarity, if nothing else.
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:47 AM (UnA8+)
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At least he was honest about being a knee-jerk slave to the Left. It adds clarity, if nothing else.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (t0OGg)
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202 169 Pigs are filthy animals
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (xcxpd)
Smoked pork knuckles in my beans. Then I refry with bacon grease afterwards. Very healthy; trust me.
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (xcxpd)
Smoked pork knuckles in my beans. Then I refry with bacon grease afterwards. Very healthy; trust me.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ynpvh)
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Gov. J.B. "Fatso" Pritzker (D) has already pledged to sign the marketing ban when it reaches his desk.
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (RHGPo)
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208 "My boomer relatives, with the "Dems are for the little guys" fantasy that, if it ever really existed, hasn't really applied for decades, would not be able to comprehend this and will continue to support the Dem (and Uniparty/WEF) policies that are crushing the little guy.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)"
They know better, they're just happily virtue signalling, expecting shit not to fall apart until after they're dead.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 11:47 AM (QBv/U)
Saw this woman on LinkedIn post this insane gibberish about how white males have had their turn, time to step aside.
These people have become the Boomers they lament, with their outdated attitudes and such. They are that racist uncle they love to hate.
They are ugly people completely at odds with themselves, but their virtue is righteous and unbreakable. Believe that.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)"
They know better, they're just happily virtue signalling, expecting shit not to fall apart until after they're dead.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 11:47 AM (QBv/U)
Saw this woman on LinkedIn post this insane gibberish about how white males have had their turn, time to step aside.
These people have become the Boomers they lament, with their outdated attitudes and such. They are that racist uncle they love to hate.
They are ugly people completely at odds with themselves, but their virtue is righteous and unbreakable. Believe that.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (KbCG3)
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>>But, this population has an outsized influence on gubmint and its policies including those on staff of nominal Republicans. That is the problem.
Agreed. And for all his faults this is one of the biggest reasons I back Trump. Yes, he's loud and brash and a bull in a china shop, and that is exactly what we need right now.
Half measures and pinkies out aren't going to stop this train. We need a Hulk. Someone who has the stones and the presence to stand up and say exactly what is happening in the most stark terms and lead.
Maybe someday we can go back to a nice genteel leader who speaks in soaring oratory but that is not where we are now. We need someone to put a boot on their necks instead of allowing them to do it to us.
Agreed. And for all his faults this is one of the biggest reasons I back Trump. Yes, he's loud and brash and a bull in a china shop, and that is exactly what we need right now.
Half measures and pinkies out aren't going to stop this train. We need a Hulk. Someone who has the stones and the presence to stand up and say exactly what is happening in the most stark terms and lead.
Maybe someday we can go back to a nice genteel leader who speaks in soaring oratory but that is not where we are now. We need someone to put a boot on their necks instead of allowing them to do it to us.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ZLI7S)
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Paul Krugman got into economics because he loved the idea of psyhohistory dictating and mapping out the future in the Foundation novels by Asimov.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (LvTSG)
I first read that as "fapping out".
Probably more accurate.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (LvTSG)
I first read that as "fapping out".
Probably more accurate.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ufFY8)
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https://is.gd/sSzQRf
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (Zz0t1)
No tears shed if they were all shot dead. Only problem is St. Louis would prosecute the homeowner.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (ynpvh)
They seem nice.
In other news, the latter part of Planet Of The Apes is on Retro channel.
SPosted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (ufFY
Shouldn't these feral savages be in skool, getting an edumucation? Maybe Bronny's dad can enroll them.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:38 AM (Zz0t1)
No tears shed if they were all shot dead. Only problem is St. Louis would prosecute the homeowner.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:41 AM (ynpvh)
They seem nice.
In other news, the latter part of Planet Of The Apes is on Retro channel.
SPosted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (ufFY
Shouldn't these feral savages be in skool, getting an edumucation? Maybe Bronny's dad can enroll them.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (5L/TD)
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The looks on their faces is laughable. A few get it. the rest will discover it the hard way.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (e4fEA)
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https://is.gd/eqlktY
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (t0OGg)
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That's it!!!
Nailed it!!!
I think they used to be students of mine!
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (e4fEA)
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https://is.gd/eqlktY
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (t0OGg)
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That's it!!!
Nailed it!!!
I think they used to be students of mine!
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2023 11:51 AM (e4fEA)
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Judge Cannon asks defense to raise possible grand jury abuse by DOJ for conducting nearly all of the investigation in DC then switching to FLA at last minute for indictment
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:51 AM (RHGPo)
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208 "My boomer relatives, with the "Dems are for the little guys" fantasy that, if it ever really existed, hasn't really applied for decades, would not be able to comprehend this and will continue to support the Dem (and Uniparty/WEF) policies that are crushing the little guy.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)"
They know better, they're just happily virtue signalling, expecting shit not to fall apart until after they're dead.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 11:47 AM (QBv/U)
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I don't think people ever change politics after a certain point in life. There's some movement during college and 20s as the easy, pampered lives supported by parents ends and reality sets in. That creates some conservatives out of leftists. But I think that after age 30 and certainly 40, your politics is your politics and nothing will ever change it. Are there exceptions? Of course. But I think it's very very rare.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (fs1hN)"
They know better, they're just happily virtue signalling, expecting shit not to fall apart until after they're dead.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 11:47 AM (QBv/U)
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I don't think people ever change politics after a certain point in life. There's some movement during college and 20s as the easy, pampered lives supported by parents ends and reality sets in. That creates some conservatives out of leftists. But I think that after age 30 and certainly 40, your politics is your politics and nothing will ever change it. Are there exceptions? Of course. But I think it's very very rare.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:51 AM (iFTx/)
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211 Pigs are filthy animals
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM
Pigs might taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I'd never eat the filthy muthafuckahs.
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (FVJNG)
How abouts some Shrimp?
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM
Pigs might taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I'd never eat the filthy muthafuckahs.
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (FVJNG)
How abouts some Shrimp?
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:51 AM (ynpvh)
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"Die Lösung." Somebody else, just go ahead with the Brecht quote. I don't want to be first; I'd end up having to face Lotte Lenya and her awful poisoned shoe-toes.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 07, 2023 11:51 AM (4PZHB)
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"201 184 If you want to destroy your own demography, rapid high-density urbanization like the East Asians pursued for the past fifty years is a pretty good way to help achieve it.
South Korea has the lowest total fertility rate on earth.
America is still pretty close to replacement total fertility.
If you want your population to collapse, make everyone live in a high-rise apartment where it is almost impossible to have multiple kids.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (2tUFv)
The mouse utopia experiments.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)"
SK is an odd case. Their society got steamrollered really hard multiple times, much more so than the Japanese (who have a similar, but less severe demographic problem) - leaving them rather fragmented. The Japanese will do fine as long as they hold the line vs. western refugee bullshit but the Koreans will have a rougher time of it. Probably better odds than not though. Preserving a functioning culture and national identity is more important than economic figures.
South Korea has the lowest total fertility rate on earth.
America is still pretty close to replacement total fertility.
If you want your population to collapse, make everyone live in a high-rise apartment where it is almost impossible to have multiple kids.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:43 AM (2tUFv)
The mouse utopia experiments.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)"
SK is an odd case. Their society got steamrollered really hard multiple times, much more so than the Japanese (who have a similar, but less severe demographic problem) - leaving them rather fragmented. The Japanese will do fine as long as they hold the line vs. western refugee bullshit but the Koreans will have a rougher time of it. Probably better odds than not though. Preserving a functioning culture and national identity is more important than economic figures.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 11:51 AM (QBv/U)
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231 Judge Cannon asks defense to raise possible grand jury abuse by DOJ for conducting nearly all of the investigation in DC then switching to FLA at last minute for indictment
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:51 AM (RHGPo)
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"Wuuuu?"
-Trump's lawyers
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:51 AM (RHGPo)
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"Wuuuu?"
-Trump's lawyers
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:51 AM (LvTSG)
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215 BabylonBee: FBI Sends In Heavily Armed Tactical Team To Unscrew Incandescent Light Bulb
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (RHGPo)
I thought they only screwed things up.
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (RHGPo)
I thought they only screwed things up.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (ynpvh)
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I've found just about every economist after Adam Smith to be pretty incompetent, both for modeling economies and for making suggestions on how to improve them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Adam Smith aimed to be descriptive more than prescriptive. Since then, most economists have adopted models that they expect people will fit rather than how people behave. This is one of the reasons behind the failure to unify between micro and macro economics.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Adam Smith aimed to be descriptive more than prescriptive. Since then, most economists have adopted models that they expect people will fit rather than how people behave. This is one of the reasons behind the failure to unify between micro and macro economics.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (bk5GW)
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I first read that as "fapping out".
Probably more accurate.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ufFY
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I WAS HACKED!
Probably more accurate.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ufFY
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I WAS HACKED!
Posted by: Paul Krugman at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (t0OGg)
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"The mouse utopia experiments.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)"
exactly. funny how that has been memory-holed, innit?
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (ynpvh)"
exactly. funny how that has been memory-holed, innit?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying liars have been lying for decades at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (LDVJG)
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OTOH, Nigeria has 230 million people, and a total fertility rate of 5.1 kids per woman (2.1 is replacement fertility), so the population is still more than doubling every generation.
Africa is the last place on Earth where the population is still growing rapidly, which is going to have interesting global effects over the next fifty years.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
Stop with the emergency food shipments. See how long they last. Because when you end farming in first world nations, guess who is going to hurt the most?
Africa is the last place on Earth where the population is still growing rapidly, which is going to have interesting global effects over the next fifty years.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
Stop with the emergency food shipments. See how long they last. Because when you end farming in first world nations, guess who is going to hurt the most?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (5apCz)
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Economists are out of their depth, more or less, when considering the problem of government.
The Chicago School makes a stab at it.
Traditional explanation: "Government workers work to benefit the people."
Radical explanation: "Government workers work to benefit the rich."
The Chicago School: "Government workers work to benefit government workers."
The Chicago School makes a stab at it.
Traditional explanation: "Government workers work to benefit the people."
Radical explanation: "Government workers work to benefit the rich."
The Chicago School: "Government workers work to benefit government workers."
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (2tUFv)
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Half measures and pinkies out aren't going to stop this train. We need a Hulk. Someone who has the stones and the presence to stand up and say exactly what is happening in the most stark terms and lead.
Maybe someday we can go back to a nice genteel leader who speaks in soaring oratory but that is not where we are now. We need someone to put a boot on their necks instead of allowing them to do it to us.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ZLI7S)
Make Rough Riders Great Again! Bully!
Maybe someday we can go back to a nice genteel leader who speaks in soaring oratory but that is not where we are now. We need someone to put a boot on their necks instead of allowing them to do it to us.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ZLI7S)
Make Rough Riders Great Again! Bully!
Posted by: T. Roosevelt (the real one, not Teddy Brewster charging up the staircase) at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (4I/2K)
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In a disturbing new declaration, UN expert Victor Madrigal-Borloz says religious freedom can only be tolerated if religious people fully embrace the globalist agenda, including radical LGBTQ+ ideology.The LGBTQ+ ideology the UN is pushing originates from a report issued earlier this year that calls for the decriminalization of sex between adults and minors.Madrigal-Borloz reported to the 53rd Session of the U.N. Human Rights Council that religious freedom can only exist if it is “compatible” with the LGBTQ+ agenda if Christians and other religious groups comply with radical far-left ideology.
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (RHGPo)
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (ufFY8)
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The Critical Theorists understood this earlier than their Marxist brothers, which is why they are now in the commanding heights of power throughout the west.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (t0OGg)
I disagree. The switch from Marxism to Critical Theory was one of utility and change of target.
Critical Theory comes after de-industrialization.
It is switching to a new method of extraction after the old one no longer works.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (t0OGg)
I disagree. The switch from Marxism to Critical Theory was one of utility and change of target.
Critical Theory comes after de-industrialization.
It is switching to a new method of extraction after the old one no longer works.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (OnmGW)
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Adam Smith aimed to be descriptive more than prescriptive. Since then, most economists have adopted models that they expect people will fit rather than how people behave. This is one of the reasons behind the failure to unify between micro and macro economics.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (bk5GW)
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Good way to put that. Smith tried to describe the world rather than to prescribe how it ought to be.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (bk5GW)
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Good way to put that. Smith tried to describe the world rather than to prescribe how it ought to be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (t0OGg)
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211 Pigs are filthy animals
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM
Pigs might taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I'd never eat the filthy muthafuckahs.
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (FVJNG)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:40 AM (q1Zxb)
Yeah but bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM
Pigs might taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I'd never eat the filthy muthafuckahs.
Posted by: Jules Winfield at August 07, 2023 11:48 AM (FVJNG)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (xcxpd)
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Actually, the French Ancien Regime wasn't nearly so bad, or so inept, as these guys. Bad, yes, but do not forget they actually were helpful in our Revolutionary War. Do you know how few were victories for the French navy from 1714-1814?
One technical quibble: most of us are proles, not peasants.
One technical quibble: most of us are proles, not peasants.
Posted by: Eeyore at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (brAQZ)
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I don't even see the Dems using the class warfare anymore, I didn't see a single ad in my state regarding "tax cuts for the rich" which was a hallmark of how Dems ran campaigns 20 years ago.
They wouldn't even run on raising taxes on corporations.
It's just social marxism now. The Dems know they are now an affluent party and what their new donor base wants. It used to be labor unions, now it's Bay area tech titans.
They wouldn't even run on raising taxes on corporations.
It's just social marxism now. The Dems know they are now an affluent party and what their new donor base wants. It used to be labor unions, now it's Bay area tech titans.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (/Hxs8)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (5apCz)
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guess who is going to hurt the most?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (5apCz)
Bill Gates? He'll run out of test subjects for his shitty injections.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (5apCz)
Bill Gates? He'll run out of test subjects for his shitty injections.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)
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Did VDH forget about the 60’s and 70’s ?
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (MNhXM)
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those decades social upheaval were just good practice for the present "Kill it, gut it, and wear its carcass as a skin suit (while demanding respect)" phenomena.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (MNhXM)
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those decades social upheaval were just good practice for the present "Kill it, gut it, and wear its carcass as a skin suit (while demanding respect)" phenomena.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (vycUs)
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I don't think people ever change politics after a certain point in life. There's some movement during college and 20s as the easy, pampered lives supported by parents ends and reality sets in. That creates some conservatives out of leftists. But I think that after age 30 and certainly 40, your politics is your politics and nothing will ever change it. Are there exceptions? Of course. But I think it's very very rare.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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History says you are wrong. It is usually the reason of some stupid government caused catastrophe. It is called realignment and you can read up on Walter Dean Burnham's work and others if interested. Last major realignment was the Great Depression. Some argue that the 1968 election marked dealignment but it certainly killed off the New Deal coalition.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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History says you are wrong. It is usually the reason of some stupid government caused catastrophe. It is called realignment and you can read up on Walter Dean Burnham's work and others if interested. Last major realignment was the Great Depression. Some argue that the 1968 election marked dealignment but it certainly killed off the New Deal coalition.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (bk5GW)
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Stop with the emergency food shipments. See how long they last. Because when you end farming in first world nations, guess who is going to hurt the most?
Niger, whose coup may yet trigger off a West Africa-wide war, has the world's highest total fertility rate at 6.7 children per woman.
Niger, whose coup may yet trigger off a West Africa-wide war, has the world's highest total fertility rate at 6.7 children per woman.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (2tUFv)
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238 I've found just about every economist after Adam Smith to be pretty incompetent, both for modeling economies and for making suggestions on how to improve them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Adam Smith aimed to be descriptive more than prescriptive. Since then, most economists have adopted models that they expect people will fit rather than how people behave. This is one of the reasons behind the failure to unify between micro and macro economics.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (bk5GW)
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Keynes fucked economics up the ass and it never recovered. He was obviously, catastrophically wrong about almost everything, but his theories served a political purpose so he was hailed as a genius. That was the new template for "economic" theory.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Adam Smith aimed to be descriptive more than prescriptive. Since then, most economists have adopted models that they expect people will fit rather than how people behave. This is one of the reasons behind the failure to unify between micro and macro economics.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (bk5GW)
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Keynes fucked economics up the ass and it never recovered. He was obviously, catastrophically wrong about almost everything, but his theories served a political purpose so he was hailed as a genius. That was the new template for "economic" theory.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (iFTx/)
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Critical Theory is just historical materialism mashed into every other facet of human experience with a tenderizer mallet.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (/EuRN)
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I disagree. The switch from Marxism to Critical Theory was one of utility and change of target.
Critical Theory comes after de-industrialization.
It is switching to a new method of extraction after the old one no longer works.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (OnmGW)
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Critical Theory is one of the key players bringing about de-industrialization and de-development more generally.
Critical Theory came out of disaffected Marxists who were tired of losing. So did Postmodern philosophy. So, for that matter, did fascism.
Critical Theory comes after de-industrialization.
It is switching to a new method of extraction after the old one no longer works.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (OnmGW)
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Critical Theory is one of the key players bringing about de-industrialization and de-development more generally.
Critical Theory came out of disaffected Marxists who were tired of losing. So did Postmodern philosophy. So, for that matter, did fascism.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)
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"They are ugly people completely at odds with themselves, but their virtue is righteous and unbreakable. Believe that.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (KbCG3)"
The problem with the progs is that they can't be at odds with themselves by definition. It's a hollow ideology. I point this out at every opportunity whenever people try to waste brainpower actually engaging with them. They don't require engagement (unless it's a friend or relative you're willing to stick your neck out to redeem..) - you just have to understand them and them deal with them. You don't argue with them anymore than you argue with an anti-personnel mine.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (KbCG3)"
The problem with the progs is that they can't be at odds with themselves by definition. It's a hollow ideology. I point this out at every opportunity whenever people try to waste brainpower actually engaging with them. They don't require engagement (unless it's a friend or relative you're willing to stick your neck out to redeem..) - you just have to understand them and them deal with them. You don't argue with them anymore than you argue with an anti-personnel mine.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (QBv/U)
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"We have no choice anymore - we have to utterly destroy the so-called elites, and the only way to do that effective is to utterly destroy the society that created and nurtured them, and all of that societies institutions with it. After that us over, new ones can be built. "
The problem (and solution) as I see it, is how do you Let It Burn without being consumed in the conflagration?
The problem (and solution) as I see it, is how do you Let It Burn without being consumed in the conflagration?
Posted by: Ripley at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (KrJTL)
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I'm mostly just prepped and ready to go and become an Exterminator in the service of Zardoz.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (LvTSG)
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Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (iFTx/)
If anyone saves the world again, I *guarantee* it will be Christians. They have the Big Picture at the forefront which is why they adopted Trump so early and have largely stuck with him unlike the people who were "skeptical" in favor of the Traditional GOP Who Has Always Fucked Them and then jumped ship when things got ugly.
Trump is not the answer - only God and Jesus can save us at this point - but he remains the best option because there is definitely no Young Trump, or for that matter, Trump Without the Baggage.
If anyone saves the world again, I *guarantee* it will be Christians. They have the Big Picture at the forefront which is why they adopted Trump so early and have largely stuck with him unlike the people who were "skeptical" in favor of the Traditional GOP Who Has Always Fucked Them and then jumped ship when things got ugly.
Trump is not the answer - only God and Jesus can save us at this point - but he remains the best option because there is definitely no Young Trump, or for that matter, Trump Without the Baggage.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (CBajr)
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227 Maybe someday we can go back to a nice genteel leader who speaks in soaring oratory but that is not where we are now. We need someone to put a boot on their necks instead of allowing them to do it to us.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ZLI7S)
He won't put a boot on anyone's neck.
He _still_ believes in the system and in institutions, despite what they're doing to him.
And people will say "Fine, then, loser, tell me who will?"
Nobody. Nobody has the will for it. Nobody has the juice to gather enough people with actual real power to back them against the entrenched bureaucracy.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ZLI7S)
He won't put a boot on anyone's neck.
He _still_ believes in the system and in institutions, despite what they're doing to him.
And people will say "Fine, then, loser, tell me who will?"
Nobody. Nobody has the will for it. Nobody has the juice to gather enough people with actual real power to back them against the entrenched bureaucracy.
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (UnA8+)
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7 in 10 say they’ve heard little or nothing about Inflation Reduction Act since passage: poll
. maybe it's because it doesn't reduce inflation
. maybe it's because it doesn't reduce inflation
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:56 AM (RHGPo)
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Economists are out of their depth, more or less, when considering the problem of government. Excellent at critiquing but fundamentally devoid of understanding human psychology and sociology.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (bk5GW)
Econimists just deal with finance today. Justifying ever greater debt service.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:46 AM (bk5GW)
Econimists just deal with finance today. Justifying ever greater debt service.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 11:56 AM (OnmGW)
Posted by: White Cat That Knocks Shit Off the Counter at August 07, 2023 11:56 AM (ufFY8)
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It can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 11:56 AM (EKsjb)
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254 I don't think people ever change politics after a certain point in life. There's some movement during college and 20s as the easy, pampered lives supported by parents ends and reality sets in. That creates some conservatives out of leftists. But I think that after age 30 and certainly 40, your politics is your politics and nothing will ever change it. Are there exceptions? Of course. But I think it's very very rare.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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History says you are wrong. It is usually the reason of some stupid government caused catastrophe. It is called realignment and you can read up on Walter Dean Burnham's work and others if interested. Last major realignment was the Great Depression. Some argue that the 1968 election marked dealignment but it certainly killed off the New Deal coalition.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (bk5GW)
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So once and maybe twice in the last 100+ years? As I said, there are exceptions but they are very very rare.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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History says you are wrong. It is usually the reason of some stupid government caused catastrophe. It is called realignment and you can read up on Walter Dean Burnham's work and others if interested. Last major realignment was the Great Depression. Some argue that the 1968 election marked dealignment but it certainly killed off the New Deal coalition.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (bk5GW)
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So once and maybe twice in the last 100+ years? As I said, there are exceptions but they are very very rare.
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:56 AM (iFTx/)
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Nothing actually *happened* in the 60s and 70s. There were a bunch of loudmouth jackoffs running around being loudmouths and jacking off... but those decades weren't really momentous or important in terms of the unfolding of history. A bit of squabbling between the US and Russia that neither side really gave a shit about. Some low level parochial wars popping off that didn't make a bit of difference.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 07, 2023 11:57 AM (/EuRN)
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>>> She said - and this is I think a direct quote, because it really stuck with me about how stupid these perceptions are - "I don't get why he's a Republican. He's not even rich."
Posted by: Joe Mannix
Several years ago a friend's mother found out I was a conservative, looked at me and said "but you're so nice"! I responded, "well I can say the same about you", and we were able to laugh but it stuck with me. Adding to this insanity is that whole family benefited from Reagan's amnesty.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
Several years ago a friend's mother found out I was a conservative, looked at me and said "but you're so nice"! I responded, "well I can say the same about you", and we were able to laugh but it stuck with me. Adding to this insanity is that whole family benefited from Reagan's amnesty.
Posted by: DJ at August 07, 2023 11:57 AM (uosPt)
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I first read that as "fapping out".
Probably more accurate.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ufFY
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I WAS HACKED!
Posted by: Paul Krugman at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM
#MeToo
Probably more accurate.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 07, 2023 11:50 AM (ufFY
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I WAS HACKED!
Posted by: Paul Krugman at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM
#MeToo
Posted by: J. Toobin at August 07, 2023 11:57 AM (a3Q+t)
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Trump is not the answer - only God and Jesus can save us at this point - but he remains the best option because there is definitely no Young Trump, or for that matter, Trump Without the Baggage.
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I think you are forgetting the true Christian man in the race, Mike Pence.
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I think you are forgetting the true Christian man in the race, Mike Pence.
Posted by: D. French at August 07, 2023 11:57 AM (fs1hN)
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255 Stop with the emergency food shipments. See how long they last. Because when you end farming in first world nations, guess who is going to hurt the most?
Niger, whose coup may yet trigger off a West Africa-wide war, has the world's highest total fertility rate at 6.7 children per woman.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (2tUFv)
In middle school, for one class, we had to pick a country and do an oral report on it. One kid chose Niger, and mispronounced it throughout his report...
Teacher was not amused.
"It's pronounced NIGER". ["Nigh" and "G" like in Giraffe!]
Niger, whose coup may yet trigger off a West Africa-wide war, has the world's highest total fertility rate at 6.7 children per woman.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (2tUFv)
In middle school, for one class, we had to pick a country and do an oral report on it. One kid chose Niger, and mispronounced it throughout his report...
Teacher was not amused.
"It's pronounced NIGER". ["Nigh" and "G" like in Giraffe!]
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:57 AM (ynpvh)
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Notice how every on of these things the gov cites the “new law” is designed to combat global warming. I have always said this crap was a fraud to give the gov more power and increased taxes. And so it has.
Posted by: vic at August 07, 2023 11:57 AM (A5THL)
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Stop with the emergency food shipments. See how long they last. Because when you end farming in first world nations, guess who is going to hurt the most?
Niger, whose coup may yet trigger off a West Africa-wide war, has the world's highest total fertility rate at 6.7 children per woman.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (2tUFv)
They may be the most fertile but we have the biggest penises.
Niger, whose coup may yet trigger off a West Africa-wide war, has the world's highest total fertility rate at 6.7 children per woman.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (2tUFv)
They may be the most fertile but we have the biggest penises.
Posted by: Democratic Republic of Congo at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (4I/2K)
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Pigs aren’t filthy. Its not their fault that they can’t sweat and have to loll around in mud to keep cool. Other than that, they’re pretty clean. They always poop in the same place, for example, unlike other critters who will just poop anywhere.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (xTRSc)
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... He _still_ believes in the system and in institutions, despite what they're doing to him.
And people will say "Fine, then, loser, tell me who will?" ...
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (UnA8+)
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Which is why the Gen Z "right wing," while admirably anticommunist, is not republican or conservative in any traditional sense. They - like their left-wing counterparts - view the entire scheme as a failure. "You all had the power and you did nothing. You failed to {check|guarantee} the {progs|anti-progs} because you and your system are failures. We need {a king|a politburo|etc.}."
And people will say "Fine, then, loser, tell me who will?" ...
Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (UnA8+)
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Which is why the Gen Z "right wing," while admirably anticommunist, is not republican or conservative in any traditional sense. They - like their left-wing counterparts - view the entire scheme as a failure. "You all had the power and you did nothing. You failed to {check|guarantee} the {progs|anti-progs} because you and your system are failures. We need {a king|a politburo|etc.}."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (t0OGg)
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262 Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:24 AM (iFTx/)
If anyone saves the world again, I *guarantee* it will be Christians. They have the Big Picture at the forefront which is why they adopted Trump so early and have largely stuck with him unlike the people who were "skeptical" in favor of the Traditional GOP Who Has Always Fucked Them and then jumped ship when things got ugly.
Trump is not the answer - only God and Jesus can save us at this point - but he remains the best option because there is definitely no Young Trump, or for that matter, Trump Without the Baggage.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (CBajr)
I'd say Infinity Gauntlet to click away all the assholes, but assholes tend to appear like weeds on a freshly mown lawn.
If anyone saves the world again, I *guarantee* it will be Christians. They have the Big Picture at the forefront which is why they adopted Trump so early and have largely stuck with him unlike the people who were "skeptical" in favor of the Traditional GOP Who Has Always Fucked Them and then jumped ship when things got ugly.
Trump is not the answer - only God and Jesus can save us at this point - but he remains the best option because there is definitely no Young Trump, or for that matter, Trump Without the Baggage.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (CBajr)
I'd say Infinity Gauntlet to click away all the assholes, but assholes tend to appear like weeds on a freshly mown lawn.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (ynpvh)
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And like all communism, the majority of the idiots supporting this think it'll end with them living an easy life with free everything, instead id really where they become fertilizer.
Posted by: Rbastid at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (vsa2N)
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247 Adam Smith aimed to be descriptive more than prescriptive. Since then, most economists have adopted models that they expect people will fit rather than how people behave. This is one of the reasons behind the failure to unify between micro and macro economics.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (bk5GW)
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Good way to put that. Smith tried to describe the world rather than to prescribe how it ought to be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (t0OGg)
Economics is pretty thoroughly developed at this point. Attempts to develop a cure for recessions largely seem futile but otherwise the results of an event or policy (taxes, tariffs, price controls) are largely pretty known.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 11:52 AM (bk5GW)
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Good way to put that. Smith tried to describe the world rather than to prescribe how it ought to be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM (t0OGg)
Economics is pretty thoroughly developed at this point. Attempts to develop a cure for recessions largely seem futile but otherwise the results of an event or policy (taxes, tariffs, price controls) are largely pretty known.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (eYoxG)
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Hi Buck! Perhaps you're not familiar with the book written by the late and great Andrew Codevilla. It's titled, The Ruling Class - how they corrupted America and what we can do about it. Check it out.
Posted by: Ring O' Fire at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (J/pqx)
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279 I'd say Infinity Gauntlet to click away all the assholes, but assholes tend to appear like weeds on a freshly mown lawn.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (ynpvh)
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"Ah, someone who's read my work."
-Heinlein
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (ynpvh)
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"Ah, someone who's read my work."
-Heinlein
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (LvTSG)
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I'm mostly just prepped and ready to go and become an Exterminator in the service of Zardoz.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM
The 'ettes are going to need pic of you in the Zardoz outfit first.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM
The 'ettes are going to need pic of you in the Zardoz outfit first.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (a3Q+t)
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277 Pigs aren’t filthy. Its not their fault that they can’t sweat and have to loll around in mud to keep cool. Other than that, they’re pretty clean. They always poop in the same place, for example, unlike other critters who will just poop anywhere.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (xTRSc)
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"This is about me, isn't it?"
-- Amber Heard
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (xTRSc)
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"This is about me, isn't it?"
-- Amber Heard
Posted by: Elric Blade at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (iFTx/)
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@225 Could you be a little more specific? I'll just presume it's not a marketing ban on Bardstown Bourbon, which Pritzker owns.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (4PZHB)
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Which is why the Gen Z "right wing," while admirably anticommunist, is not republican or conservative in any traditional sense. They - like their left-wing counterparts - view the entire scheme as a failure. "You all had the power and you did nothing. You failed to {check|guarantee} the {progs|anti-progs} because you and your system are failures. We need {a king|a politburo|etc.}."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (t0OGg)
Also some Gen X Radical Right Wingers.
Ahem.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (t0OGg)
Also some Gen X Radical Right Wingers.
Ahem.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (xcxpd)
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Posted by: www.Payathome7.com at August 07, 2023 11:56 AM (RXZSj)
Doing Hunter Biden's laundry, no doubt.
Doing Hunter Biden's laundry, no doubt.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (ynpvh)
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*fistbump*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM
Couldn't let that slow pitch go by, could I?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM
Couldn't let that slow pitch go by, could I?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (FVJNG)
Posted by: Sarah at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)
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The Chicago School makes a stab at it.
The Chicago School: "Government workers work to benefit government workers."
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Part of the issue is that Chicago school (and to some extent Austrian economists) fails to take into account financial oligarchs who purposefully buy politicians to do their bidding. You cannot just focus on gubmint because it is downstream from society and that is downstream of individual psyches. Finance is not the only motivation for people especially when a zillionaire has everything except raw power to try to make themselves into a demigod. There is an interesting interview with Soros by the Atlantic that resurfaced where he actually states he decided to make himself into a god and exercise his will on society.
The lesson is that people are not potatoes or widgets but that does not make for elegant modeling or sweeping pronouncements of generalities.
The Chicago School: "Government workers work to benefit government workers."
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Part of the issue is that Chicago school (and to some extent Austrian economists) fails to take into account financial oligarchs who purposefully buy politicians to do their bidding. You cannot just focus on gubmint because it is downstream from society and that is downstream of individual psyches. Finance is not the only motivation for people especially when a zillionaire has everything except raw power to try to make themselves into a demigod. There is an interesting interview with Soros by the Atlantic that resurfaced where he actually states he decided to make himself into a god and exercise his will on society.
The lesson is that people are not potatoes or widgets but that does not make for elegant modeling or sweeping pronouncements of generalities.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (bk5GW)
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"The problem (and solution) as I see it, is how do you Let It Burn without being consumed in the conflagration?
Posted by: Ripley at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (KrJTL)"
The elites are big on the whole "citizen of the world" thing but their way to do it isn't the only way to do it.
If it needs to burn, it needs to burn. Sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture and put you and your own first, with the understanding that all nations turn to dust eventually. Think seriously about how you're going to get from point A - you here now - to point B, your descendants alive and prospering some place else later.
Think really hard about what kind of path that'd look like for some prosperous citizen in Rome, or Austria-Hungary, or Spain, or whatever, and that will broaden your perspective a bit. The country most of us were born in doesn't exist anymore.
Posted by: Ripley at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (KrJTL)"
The elites are big on the whole "citizen of the world" thing but their way to do it isn't the only way to do it.
If it needs to burn, it needs to burn. Sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture and put you and your own first, with the understanding that all nations turn to dust eventually. Think seriously about how you're going to get from point A - you here now - to point B, your descendants alive and prospering some place else later.
Think really hard about what kind of path that'd look like for some prosperous citizen in Rome, or Austria-Hungary, or Spain, or whatever, and that will broaden your perspective a bit. The country most of us were born in doesn't exist anymore.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (QBv/U)
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273 Trump is not the answer - only God and Jesus can save us at this point - but he remains the best option because there is definitely no Young Trump, or for that matter, Trump Without the Baggage.
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I think you are forgetting the true Christian man in the race, Mike Pence.
Posted by: D. French at August 07, 2023 11:57 AM (fs1hN)
Wasn't Judas one of the 12?
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I think you are forgetting the true Christian man in the race, Mike Pence.
Posted by: D. French at August 07, 2023 11:57 AM (fs1hN)
Wasn't Judas one of the 12?
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)
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Also some Gen X Radical Right Wingers.
Ahem.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (xcxpd)
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Sure. And even some of the relatively rare non-prog Millennials. But it's a much more common opinion in the younger people.
Ahem.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (xcxpd)
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Sure. And even some of the relatively rare non-prog Millennials. But it's a much more common opinion in the younger people.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 12:01 PM (t0OGg)
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unlike other critters who will just poop anywhere.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: Penguins at August 07, 2023 12:01 PM (a3Q+t)
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Posted by: XTC at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (UnA8+)
Very few want a man that will do that.
The moment Trump even hints at coloring outside the lines, our side falls apart screaming that he's too stupid to know THE RULES.
Very few want a man that will do that.
The moment Trump even hints at coloring outside the lines, our side falls apart screaming that he's too stupid to know THE RULES.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 12:01 PM (CBajr)
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Blah Blah says the democrats are the only party that looks out for us seasoned citizens. If they were not in charge, we might have to use our own money to fill up Blah Blah's RV and Harley on the weekends when we go visit all the wonderful areas outside the city, where the nasty old republicans are in charge and terrorizing people of color and making us older folks live on dog food and warm water.
Posted by: Harriet And Blah Blah Nyborg, Democrat Boomers at August 07, 2023 12:01 PM (5L/TD)
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Critical Race Theory is going from the Bolsheviks class warfare to Race warfare
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 12:01 PM (EKsjb)
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They always poop in the same place, for example, unlike other critters who will just poop anywhere.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (xTRSc)
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (xTRSc)
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: Amber Heard at August 07, 2023 12:02 PM (t0OGg)
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"287 Which is why the Gen Z "right wing," while admirably anticommunist, is not republican or conservative in any traditional sense. They - like their left-wing counterparts - view the entire scheme as a failure. "You all had the power and you did nothing. You failed to {check|guarantee} the {progs|anti-progs} because you and your system are failures. We need {a king|a politburo|etc.}."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (t0OGg)
Also some Gen X Radical Right Wingers.
Ahem.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (xcxpd)"
I won't say representative government as a whole is a guaranteed failure but we certainly fucked up our implementation of it. Biggest weakness being in the "words have meanings" department, and mechanisms to enforce them. The lawyers guild basically closed off access to most peaceful means of redress for us peasants.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM (t0OGg)
Also some Gen X Radical Right Wingers.
Ahem.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (xcxpd)"
I won't say representative government as a whole is a guaranteed failure but we certainly fucked up our implementation of it. Biggest weakness being in the "words have meanings" department, and mechanisms to enforce them. The lawyers guild basically closed off access to most peaceful means of redress for us peasants.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:02 PM (QBv/U)
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Which is why the Gen Z "right wing," while admirably anticommunist, is not republican or conservative in any traditional sense. They - like their left-wing counterparts - view the entire scheme as a failure. "You all had the power and you did nothing. You failed to {check|guarantee} the {progs|anti-progs} because you and your system are failures. We need {a king|a politburo|etc.}."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
That is essentially a young male perspective in Gen Z, not female. Huge divergence in views--only about 30 percent of Gen Z females are of the right while it is nearly the opposite 65-67 percent of Gen Z males are of the right.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
That is essentially a young male perspective in Gen Z, not female. Huge divergence in views--only about 30 percent of Gen Z females are of the right while it is nearly the opposite 65-67 percent of Gen Z males are of the right.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 12:03 PM (bk5GW)
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291 The Chicago School makes a stab at it.
The Chicago School: "Government workers work to benefit government workers."
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Part of the issue is that Chicago school (and to some extent Austrian economists) fails to take into account financial oligarchs who purposefully buy politicians to do their bidding. You cannot just focus on gubmint because it is downstream from society and that is downstream of individual psyches. Finance is not the only motivation for people especially when a zillionaire has everything except raw power to try to make themselves into a demigod. There is an interesting interview with Soros by the Atlantic that resurfaced where he actually states he decided to make himself into a god and exercise his will on society.
The lesson is that people are not potatoes or widgets but that does not make for elegant modeling or sweeping pronouncements of generalities.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (bk5GW)
Economists are not priests. If you want to know how new oil discoveries will affect an economy it's useful to consult them, but social development and management is outside of their expertise.
The Chicago School: "Government workers work to benefit government workers."
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Part of the issue is that Chicago school (and to some extent Austrian economists) fails to take into account financial oligarchs who purposefully buy politicians to do their bidding. You cannot just focus on gubmint because it is downstream from society and that is downstream of individual psyches. Finance is not the only motivation for people especially when a zillionaire has everything except raw power to try to make themselves into a demigod. There is an interesting interview with Soros by the Atlantic that resurfaced where he actually states he decided to make himself into a god and exercise his will on society.
The lesson is that people are not potatoes or widgets but that does not make for elegant modeling or sweeping pronouncements of generalities.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (bk5GW)
Economists are not priests. If you want to know how new oil discoveries will affect an economy it's useful to consult them, but social development and management is outside of their expertise.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 07, 2023 12:03 PM (eYoxG)
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Critical Theory is one of the key players bringing about de-industrialization and de-development more generally.
Critical Theory came out of disaffected Marxists who were tired of losing. So did Postmodern philosophy. So, for that matter, did fascism.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)
Well, here we get into the question of what Stalin was trying to do.
I think Stalin was a Marxist who betrayed "Marxism" by utilizing Marxism unironically.
In the US we only ever had "Marxists" or ironic Marxists.
De-industrialization can only be carried out so far by Marxism because it is essentially an industrial project.
And industry is a sub-par way of extracting debt service.
Stalin murked anyone who he thought might want to introduce Critical Theory. See his National Question.
Our ironic Marxists always meant to abandon actual Marxism.
Critical Theory came out of disaffected Marxists who were tired of losing. So did Postmodern philosophy. So, for that matter, did fascism.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (t0OGg)
Well, here we get into the question of what Stalin was trying to do.
I think Stalin was a Marxist who betrayed "Marxism" by utilizing Marxism unironically.
In the US we only ever had "Marxists" or ironic Marxists.
De-industrialization can only be carried out so far by Marxism because it is essentially an industrial project.
And industry is a sub-par way of extracting debt service.
Stalin murked anyone who he thought might want to introduce Critical Theory. See his National Question.
Our ironic Marxists always meant to abandon actual Marxism.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:03 PM (SaqTR)
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302 Economists are not priests. If you want to know how new oil discoveries will affect an economy it's useful to consult them, but social development and management is outside of their expertise.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 07, 2023 12:03 PM (eYoxG)
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"It's a great way to justify power grabs we wanted to make anyway, though."
-Politicians
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 07, 2023 12:03 PM (eYoxG)
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"It's a great way to justify power grabs we wanted to make anyway, though."
-Politicians
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 12:04 PM (LvTSG)
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295 unlike other critters who will just poop anywhere.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: Penguins at August 07, 2023 12:01 PM (a3Q+t)
Don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023 11:58 AM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: Penguins at August 07, 2023 12:01 PM (a3Q+t)
Don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by: Pigeons and Seagulls at August 07, 2023 12:04 PM (ynpvh)
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I won't say representative government as a whole is a guaranteed failure but we certainly fucked up our implementation of it. Biggest weakness being in the "words have meanings" department, and mechanisms to enforce them. The lawyers guild basically closed off access to most peaceful means of redress for us peasants.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:02 PM (QBv/U)
The worst thing that happened was our representatives believed that The Constitution was a living, breathing document.
I won't say representative government as a whole is a guaranteed failure but we certainly fucked up our implementation of it. Biggest weakness being in the "words have meanings" department, and mechanisms to enforce them. The lawyers guild basically closed off access to most peaceful means of redress for us peasants.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:02 PM (QBv/U)
The worst thing that happened was our representatives believed that The Constitution was a living, breathing document.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 12:04 PM (Zz0t1)
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In a disturbing new declaration, UN expert Victor Madrigal-Borloz says religious freedom can only be tolerated if religious people fully embrace the globalist agenda, including radical LGBTQ+ ideology.The LGBTQ+ ideology the UN is pushing originates from a report issued earlier this year that calls for the decriminalization of sex between adults and minors.Madrigal-Borloz reported to the 53rd Session of the U.N. Human Rights Council that religious freedom can only exist if it is “compatible” with the LGBTQ+ agenda if Christians and other religious groups comply with radical far-left ideology.
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM
My...how very Soviet.
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM
My...how very Soviet.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2023 12:04 PM (FVJNG)
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[Pigs] always poop in the same place, for example, unlike other critters who will just poop anywhere.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023
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We taught 'em that. They've always been too big to kill, so we had to get along with 'em.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 07, 2023
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We taught 'em that. They've always been too big to kill, so we had to get along with 'em.
Posted by: Cats in Barnyards at August 07, 2023 12:05 PM (J2vNu)
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They ate also adding in Sex warfare
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 12:05 PM (EKsjb)
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Critical Race Theory is going from the Bolsheviks class warfare to Race warfare
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 12:01 PM (EKsjb)
Yes. And stalin murked all of them in the USSR.
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 12:01 PM (EKsjb)
Yes. And stalin murked all of them in the USSR.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:05 PM (SaqTR)
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307 In a disturbing new declaration, UN expert Victor Madrigal-Borloz says religious freedom can only be tolerated if religious people fully embrace the globalist agenda, including radical LGBTQ+ ideology.The LGBTQ+ ideology the UN is pushing originates from a report issued earlier this year that calls for the decriminalization of sex between adults and minors.Madrigal-Borloz reported to the 53rd Session of the U.N. Human Rights Council that religious freedom can only exist if it is “compatible” with the LGBTQ+ agenda if Christians and other religious groups comply with radical far-left ideology.
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM
My...how very Soviet.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2023 12:04 PM (FVJNG)
In China, you have freedom of religion, as long as you pick from the Gov't-provided list.
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM
My...how very Soviet.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 07, 2023 12:04 PM (FVJNG)
In China, you have freedom of religion, as long as you pick from the Gov't-provided list.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (ynpvh)
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That is essentially a young male perspective in Gen Z, not female. Huge divergence in views--only about 30 percent of Gen Z females are of the right while it is nearly the opposite 65-67 percent of Gen Z males are of the right.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 12:03 PM (bk5GW)
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Yup. Gen-Z is very interesting in a lot of ways, and the most important part of it is, in my opinion, that they are *not* uniform. My generation (the Dread Millennials) are extremely uniform. Stretch a net and catch 100 Millennials and the vast majority of them are going to be progs and most of them will be fairly radical. Gen-Z is much less lock-step, and that's a very good thing.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 12:03 PM (bk5GW)
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Yup. Gen-Z is very interesting in a lot of ways, and the most important part of it is, in my opinion, that they are *not* uniform. My generation (the Dread Millennials) are extremely uniform. Stretch a net and catch 100 Millennials and the vast majority of them are going to be progs and most of them will be fairly radical. Gen-Z is much less lock-step, and that's a very good thing.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (t0OGg)
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The problem (and solution) as I see it, is how do you Let It Burn without being consumed in the conflagration?
Posted by: Ripley
Firebreaks. Clear some space between you and the fires. Controlled burns to begin with before you torch the whole thing. And rebuild as you go.
There is a way forward. It's not an easy path, but it can be done.
Posted by: Ripley
Firebreaks. Clear some space between you and the fires. Controlled burns to begin with before you torch the whole thing. And rebuild as you go.
There is a way forward. It's not an easy path, but it can be done.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (OUMaO)
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Agreed. And for all his faults this is one of the biggest reasons I back Trump. Yes, he's loud and brash and a bull in a china shop, and that is exactly what we need right now.
Half measures and pinkies out aren't going to stop this train. We need a Hulk. Someone who has the stones and the presence to stand up and say exactly what is happening in the most stark terms and lead.
Maybe someday we can go back to a nice genteel leader who speaks in soaring oratory but that is not where we are now. We need someone to put a boot on their necks instead of allowing them to do it to us.
The problem I have with Trump is not his affect, although that isn't my cup of tea. It's his (IMHO) inability to be reelected. Yes, he's currently beating RDS in polls of Republicans, but we can't win with just Republicans. We need independents and crossovers, and of those people have already made up their minds about him.
As someone wrote this morning, RDS will still get the media hatred, but people are still persuadable about him. The people who hate Trump, hate him passionately and irrationally. I don't see that changing.
Nonetheless, if the candidate is Trump, I'll happily support him.
Half measures and pinkies out aren't going to stop this train. We need a Hulk. Someone who has the stones and the presence to stand up and say exactly what is happening in the most stark terms and lead.
Maybe someday we can go back to a nice genteel leader who speaks in soaring oratory but that is not where we are now. We need someone to put a boot on their necks instead of allowing them to do it to us.
The problem I have with Trump is not his affect, although that isn't my cup of tea. It's his (IMHO) inability to be reelected. Yes, he's currently beating RDS in polls of Republicans, but we can't win with just Republicans. We need independents and crossovers, and of those people have already made up their minds about him.
As someone wrote this morning, RDS will still get the media hatred, but people are still persuadable about him. The people who hate Trump, hate him passionately and irrationally. I don't see that changing.
Nonetheless, if the candidate is Trump, I'll happily support him.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (eOEVl)
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Madrigal-Borloz reported to the 53rd Session of the U.N. Human Rights Council that religious freedom can only exist if it is “compatible” with the LGBTQ+ agenda if Christians and other religious groups comply with radical far-left ideology.
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM
No religion on Earth accepts that agenda. Not one.
They're banning religion outright, but won't come out and say it quite yet.
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM
No religion on Earth accepts that agenda. Not one.
They're banning religion outright, but won't come out and say it quite yet.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (Zz0t1)
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234: Dissolve the people and elect another?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (f0XAF)
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In a disturbing new declaration, UN expert Victor Madrigal-Borloz says religious freedom can only be tolerated if religious people fully embrace the globalist agenda, including radical LGBTQ+ ideology.The LGBTQ+ ideology the UN is pushing originates from a report issued earlier this year that calls for the decriminalization of sex between adults and minors.Madrigal-Borloz reported to the 53rd Session of the U.N. Human Rights Council that religious freedom can only exist if it is “compatible” with the LGBTQ+ agenda if Christians and other religious groups comply with radical far-left ideology.
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM
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"You can have whatever faith you want so long as it is subordinate to the official church."
Posted by: SMOD at August 07, 2023 11:53 AM
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"You can have whatever faith you want so long as it is subordinate to the official church."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (t0OGg)
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Did VDH forget about the 60’s and 70’s ?
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (MNhXM)
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those decades social upheaval were just good practice for the present "Kill it, gut it, and wear its carcass as a skin suit (while demanding respect)" phenomena.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (vycUs)
I’m not trying to downplay what’s going on today but just off the top of my head, in the 60’s and 70’s we had 6 infamous assassinations or attempted assassinations, school prayer banned, roe v Wade enacted, race riots, Vietnam and anti war protests, domestic radical groups, price controls, gas shortages, watergate, Cold War, bankrupt NYC and a plethora of hippie and other cults.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (MNhXM)
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those decades social upheaval were just good practice for the present "Kill it, gut it, and wear its carcass as a skin suit (while demanding respect)" phenomena.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 11:54 AM (vycUs)
I’m not trying to downplay what’s going on today but just off the top of my head, in the 60’s and 70’s we had 6 infamous assassinations or attempted assassinations, school prayer banned, roe v Wade enacted, race riots, Vietnam and anti war protests, domestic radical groups, price controls, gas shortages, watergate, Cold War, bankrupt NYC and a plethora of hippie and other cults.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 12:07 PM (MNhXM)
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The worst thing that happened was our representatives believed that The Constitution was a living, breathing document.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 12:04 PM (Zz0t1)
It is living and breathing. Avenge me!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 12:04 PM (Zz0t1)
It is living and breathing. Avenge me!
Posted by: 1972's Equal Rights Amendment (#28) at August 07, 2023 12:07 PM (4I/2K)
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You know, rather than just being pro-authoritarian, I would say more of the non-prog Gen Z/millenials/X have, rather, opted out of the notion that it's worth playing by the rules to go along and get along.
I can't think of any of my peers that have even a passing respect for the law. The law is factor in that you act not to get hauled off by the cops, as needed; that's about it. If you have no use for laws, then you have no real use for the concept of coming together to author ones everyone can live together under.
I can't think of any of my peers that have even a passing respect for the law. The law is factor in that you act not to get hauled off by the cops, as needed; that's about it. If you have no use for laws, then you have no real use for the concept of coming together to author ones everyone can live together under.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:07 PM (QBv/U)
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I don't think people ever change politics after a certain point in life. There's some movement during college and 20s as the easy, pampered lives supported by parents ends and reality sets in. That creates some conservatives out of leftists. But I think that after age 30 and certainly 40, your politics is your politics and nothing will ever change it. Are there exceptions? Of course. But I think it's very very rare.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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I can see your point, but look at how much the rank and file of each party has changed over the last 30 years.
The GOP used to be dominated by affluent, white collar professionals. Fortune 500 types, doctors, entrepreneurs, suburbanites, etc. Now it's much more of a rural, working class party.
Problem is, that's not a great roadmap to a future majority.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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I can see your point, but look at how much the rank and file of each party has changed over the last 30 years.
The GOP used to be dominated by affluent, white collar professionals. Fortune 500 types, doctors, entrepreneurs, suburbanites, etc. Now it's much more of a rural, working class party.
Problem is, that's not a great roadmap to a future majority.
Posted by: Blago at August 07, 2023 12:07 PM (/Hxs8)
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In China, you have freedom of religion, as long as you pick from the Gov't-provided list.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023
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Yes, China has freedom of religion and thought . . . limited, and provisionally.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023
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Yes, China has freedom of religion and thought . . . limited, and provisionally.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 07, 2023 12:07 PM (J2vNu)
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316 234: Dissolve the people and elect another?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (f0XAF)
I'm kinda remembering some guys that did that, but I'll have to concentrate about that camp.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (f0XAF)
I'm kinda remembering some guys that did that, but I'll have to concentrate about that camp.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023 12:07 PM (ynpvh)
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Economists are not priests. If you want to know how new oil discoveries will affect an economy it's useful to consult them, but social development and management is outside of their expertise.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Social sciences has devolved in part because the narrow specialties and the use of mathematics means very few are broadly trained in humanities anymore. So you get historians with no knowledge of economics, lawyers with no knowledge of the history of law, economists with no understanding of past economic events or behavior, and so on. For awhile, the vogue was to import math and statistics into the humanities but that has given way to outright wrecking of disciplines caused by critical theory nihilism.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Social sciences has devolved in part because the narrow specialties and the use of mathematics means very few are broadly trained in humanities anymore. So you get historians with no knowledge of economics, lawyers with no knowledge of the history of law, economists with no understanding of past economic events or behavior, and so on. For awhile, the vogue was to import math and statistics into the humanities but that has given way to outright wrecking of disciplines caused by critical theory nihilism.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 12:08 PM (bk5GW)
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292 "The problem (and solution) as I see it, is how do you Let It Burn without being consumed in the conflagration?
Posted by: Ripley at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (KrJTL)"
The elites are big on the whole "citizen of the world" thing but their way to do it isn't the only way to do it.
If it needs to burn, it needs to burn. Sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture and put you and your own first, with the understanding that all nations turn to dust eventually. Think seriously about how you're going to get from point A - you here now - to point B, your descendants alive and prospering some place else later.
Think really hard about what kind of path that'd look like for some prosperous citizen in Rome, or Austria-Hungary, or Spain, or whatever, and that will broaden your perspective a bit. The country most of us were born in doesn't exist anymore.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (QBv/U)
Yep. Everything dies, even countries.
But the land goes on. Find a home where your descendants can live, a place with water, decent climate, access to farms and in the short term, gun up and make local friends.
Posted by: Ripley at August 07, 2023 11:55 AM (KrJTL)"
The elites are big on the whole "citizen of the world" thing but their way to do it isn't the only way to do it.
If it needs to burn, it needs to burn. Sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture and put you and your own first, with the understanding that all nations turn to dust eventually. Think seriously about how you're going to get from point A - you here now - to point B, your descendants alive and prospering some place else later.
Think really hard about what kind of path that'd look like for some prosperous citizen in Rome, or Austria-Hungary, or Spain, or whatever, and that will broaden your perspective a bit. The country most of us were born in doesn't exist anymore.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (QBv/U)
Yep. Everything dies, even countries.
But the land goes on. Find a home where your descendants can live, a place with water, decent climate, access to farms and in the short term, gun up and make local friends.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 07, 2023 12:08 PM (xcxpd)
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322 In China, you have freedom of religion, as long as you pick from the Gov't-provided list.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023
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Yes, China has freedom of religion and thought . . . limited, and provisionally.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 07, 2023 12:07 PM (J2vNu)
Freedom of religion--what they want you to pick
Freedom of thought--what they want you to think
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023
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Yes, China has freedom of religion and thought . . . limited, and provisionally.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 07, 2023 12:07 PM (J2vNu)
Freedom of religion--what they want you to pick
Freedom of thought--what they want you to think
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023 12:08 PM (ynpvh)
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Dissolve the people and elect another?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (f0XAF)
In acid?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (f0XAF)
In acid?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)
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"318 Did VDH forget about the 60’s and 70’s ?
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (MNhXM)"
VDH's actual problem is that he doesn't really understand the implications of what happened around 65-75. It's like he's been asleep since then, not realizing a bunch of his observations and prescriptions are 40-50 years too late.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 11:45 AM (MNhXM)"
VDH's actual problem is that he doesn't really understand the implications of what happened around 65-75. It's like he's been asleep since then, not realizing a bunch of his observations and prescriptions are 40-50 years too late.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (QBv/U)
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Well, here we get into the question of what Stalin was trying to do.
I think Stalin was a Marxist who betrayed "Marxism" by utilizing Marxism unironically.
In the US we only ever had "Marxists" or ironic Marxists.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:03 PM (SaqTR)
Stalin was never interested in the post-dictatorship phase of Marxism, which strictly speaking should be the goal. His vision of organization isn't really that different from the technocrats, it's just monarchial instead of oligarchic. Precise goals may differ, which is why the model of control doesn't imply the social policies, the Chicoms are also technocratic like our leftists.
I think Stalin was a Marxist who betrayed "Marxism" by utilizing Marxism unironically.
In the US we only ever had "Marxists" or ironic Marxists.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:03 PM (SaqTR)
Stalin was never interested in the post-dictatorship phase of Marxism, which strictly speaking should be the goal. His vision of organization isn't really that different from the technocrats, it's just monarchial instead of oligarchic. Precise goals may differ, which is why the model of control doesn't imply the social policies, the Chicoms are also technocratic like our leftists.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (eYoxG)
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327 Dissolve the people and elect another?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (f0XAF)
In acid?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)
Hey, man, that'd be quite the trip!
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 12:06 PM (f0XAF)
In acid?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)
Hey, man, that'd be quite the trip!
Posted by: Cheech and Chong at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (ynpvh)
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Wasn't Judas one of the 12?
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)
Yeah, and he was the finance guy.
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)
Yeah, and he was the finance guy.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (ufFY8)
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Economics is pretty thoroughly developed at this point. Attempts to develop a cure for recessions largely seem futile but otherwise the results of an event or policy (taxes, tariffs, price controls) are largely pretty known.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (eYoxG)
Yeah. They've pretty much maximized debt service.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 07, 2023 11:59 AM (eYoxG)
Yeah. They've pretty much maximized debt service.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:10 PM (SaqTR)
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Yes, China has freedom of religion and thought . . . limited, and provisionally.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 07, 2023
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Freedom of religion--what they want you to pick
Freedom of thought--what they want you to think
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023
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Those are the provisions, citizen!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 07, 2023
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Freedom of religion--what they want you to pick
Freedom of thought--what they want you to think
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023
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Those are the provisions, citizen!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 07, 2023 12:10 PM (J2vNu)
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331 Wasn't Judas one of the 12?
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)
Yeah, and he was the finance guy.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (ufFY
Makes you wonder what Pence's 30 pieces of silver were. Or should I say pence instead of pieces?
Posted by: jim (in California) at August 07, 2023 12:00 PM (ynpvh)
Yeah, and he was the finance guy.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (ufFY
Makes you wonder what Pence's 30 pieces of silver were. Or should I say pence instead of pieces?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023 12:10 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 12:11 PM (EKsjb)
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"I’m not trying to downplay what’s going on today but just off the top of my head, in the 60’s and 70’s we had 6 infamous assassinations or attempted assassinations, school prayer banned, roe v Wade enacted, race riots, Vietnam and anti war protests, domestic radical groups, price controls, gas shortages, watergate, Cold War, bankrupt NYC and a plethora of hippie and other cults.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 12:07 PM (MNhXM)"
The progs have made a quantum leap in their ability to bring terror to the normies while keeping a nice veneer over top of it.
They're steering us into 1917 2.0 with a modern western PR front and c. 2023 panopticon slapped on top. The factions who edged into control of the Dems in the 60's riots are now pulling the strings on riots-on-demand.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 12:07 PM (MNhXM)"
The progs have made a quantum leap in their ability to bring terror to the normies while keeping a nice veneer over top of it.
They're steering us into 1917 2.0 with a modern western PR front and c. 2023 panopticon slapped on top. The factions who edged into control of the Dems in the 60's riots are now pulling the strings on riots-on-demand.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:12 PM (QBv/U)
336
In local news, the K9 Kop doggeh that was in the cop car wreck Friday seems to have survived, but his back legs might be paralyzed.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:12 PM (ufFY8)
337
VDH's actual problem is that he doesn't really understand the implications of what happened around 65-75. It's like he's been asleep since then, not realizing a bunch of his observations and prescriptions are 40-50 years too late.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (QBv/U)
That’s why Reagan is the greatest President in our history. He made even the smartest people forget about the 60’s and 70’s.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (QBv/U)
That’s why Reagan is the greatest President in our history. He made even the smartest people forget about the 60’s and 70’s.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 12:12 PM (MNhXM)
338
Social sciences has devolved in part because the narrow specialties and the use of mathematics means very few are broadly trained in humanities anymore. So you get historians with no knowledge of economics, lawyers with no knowledge of the history of law, economists with no understanding of past economic events or behavior, and so on. For awhile, the vogue was to import math and statistics into the humanities but that has given way to outright wrecking of disciplines caused by critical theory nihilism.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 12:08 PM (bk5GW)
Historians without any understanding of economics often make very odd claims about cause and effect.
Economics becoming a purely mathematical discipline does make those taught that way undiscerning when it comes to "things we know pretty damn well at this point" and "this is some guy's theory and it hasn't really played out consistently".
Finance I've found is taught better due to the focus on making money and practical application, often saying "this is the theory but it's got these issues so grain of salt".
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 12:08 PM (bk5GW)
Historians without any understanding of economics often make very odd claims about cause and effect.
Economics becoming a purely mathematical discipline does make those taught that way undiscerning when it comes to "things we know pretty damn well at this point" and "this is some guy's theory and it hasn't really played out consistently".
Finance I've found is taught better due to the focus on making money and practical application, often saying "this is the theory but it's got these issues so grain of salt".
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 07, 2023 12:12 PM (eYoxG)
339
335 Borliz- Your religion is what I say it is
And he can go fk himself
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 12:11 PM (EKsjb)
Can I help? I have some theories about black holes...
And he can go fk himself
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 12:11 PM (EKsjb)
Can I help? I have some theories about black holes...
Posted by: Don Lemon at August 07, 2023 12:12 PM (ynpvh)
340
Makes you wonder what Pence's 30 pieces of silver were. Or should I say pence instead of pieces?
My mind is clearer now
At last, all too well
I can see where we all soon will be
If you strip away
The myth from the man
You will see where we all soon will be
Donald!
My mind is clearer now
At last, all too well
I can see where we all soon will be
If you strip away
The myth from the man
You will see where we all soon will be
Donald!
Posted by: Mike Pence at August 07, 2023 12:13 PM (eOEVl)
341
Those decades celebrated free speech, while today it is under successful assault. Never in those decades was a political leader put on trial for his opinions. Leftists in these days went to jail for violent attacks, today they are freed (and paid) for their attacks. The list of differences is striking.
https://tinyurl.com/3a3wj75j
https://tinyurl.com/3a3wj75j
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 12:13 PM (144vi)
342
Stalin was never interested in the post-dictatorship phase of Marxism, which strictly speaking should be the goal. His vision of organization isn't really that different from the technocrats, it's just monarchial instead of oligarchic. Precise goals may differ, which is why the model of control doesn't imply the social policies, the Chicoms are also technocratic like our leftists.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (eYoxG)
The post-dictatorship phase is part of the prescription and not diagnosis or apparatus.
It was also propaganda mostly.
But other than that yes.
It is not neo-lib technocracy which is debt service macimiztion.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 07, 2023 12:09 PM (eYoxG)
The post-dictatorship phase is part of the prescription and not diagnosis or apparatus.
It was also propaganda mostly.
But other than that yes.
It is not neo-lib technocracy which is debt service macimiztion.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (SaqTR)
343
I can't wait to hear what *Frankie* has to say about the UN's proclamation.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (xSSfo)
344
Agree about Stalin, but Lenin started what Stalin was doing
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (EKsjb)
345
Finance I've found is taught better due to the focus on making money and practical application, often saying "this is the theory but it's got these issues so grain of salt".
Rodney Dangerfield was one of the great professors of business.
Rodney Dangerfield was one of the great professors of business.
Posted by: Mike Pence at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (eOEVl)
346
Wonder why Ace is late today.
Posted by: Nancy Mace at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (xTRSc)
347
Those decades celebrated free speech, while today it is under successful assault. Never in those decades was a political leader put on trial for his opinions. Leftists in these days went to jail for violent attacks, today they are freed (and paid) for their attacks. The list of differences is striking. ...
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 12:13 PM (144vi)
++++
It's the same people, but they were *lying* then. The "celebrated free speech" because it benefited *them.* They opposed political prosecutions because *they* would have the targets of them.
None of these were philosophical or ideological positions, they were transactional positions in pursuit of their goals.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 12:13 PM (144vi)
++++
It's the same people, but they were *lying* then. The "celebrated free speech" because it benefited *them.* They opposed political prosecutions because *they* would have the targets of them.
None of these were philosophical or ideological positions, they were transactional positions in pursuit of their goals.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (t0OGg)
348
347 Wonder why Ace is late today.
Posted by: Nancy Mace at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (xTRSc)
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I don't get it.
Posted by: Nancy Mace at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (xTRSc)
=======
I don't get it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (LvTSG)
349
Why is my local news talking about a Pakistani train wreck?
WTF?
WTF?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (ufFY8)
350
347 Wonder why Ace is late today.
Posted by: Nancy Mace at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (xTRSc)
Watched too much midget lesbian pron last night?
Posted by: Nancy Mace at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (xTRSc)
Watched too much midget lesbian pron last night?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (ynpvh)
351
Wonder why Ace is late today.
Posted by: Nancy Mace at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (xTRSc)
Hooker n' blow weekend.
Posted by: Nancy Mace at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (xTRSc)
Hooker n' blow weekend.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (Zz0t1)
352
Economics is just making and selling things.
It has nothing to do with Finance.
These are distinct categories.
It has nothing to do with Finance.
These are distinct categories.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:16 PM (SaqTR)
353
350 Why is my local news talking about a Pakistani train wreck?
WTF?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (ufFY
Pakistan is kinda a trainwreck...
WTF?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (ufFY
Pakistan is kinda a trainwreck...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2023 12:16 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 07, 2023 12:16 PM (rc3Z7)
355
Why is my local news talking about a Pakistani train wreck?
WTF?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (ufFY
Sewing the seeds of Jew hatred.
WTF?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (ufFY
Sewing the seeds of Jew hatred.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 12:16 PM (Zz0t1)
356
Me, I'm waiting on the healed mortal head wound guy to appear.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 07, 2023 12:16 PM (4I/2K)
Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at August 07, 2023 12:16 PM (Vu7A1)
358
Those decades celebrated free speech, while today it is under successful assault. Never in those decades was a political leader put on trial for his opinions. Leftists in these days went to jail for violent attacks, today they are freed (and paid) for their attacks. The list of differences is striking.
https://tinyurl.com/3a3wj75j
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 12:13 PM (144vi)
? Do you dismiss Watergate? Do you dismiss all the radicals who are college professors today and mentors to today’s Leftists?
https://tinyurl.com/3a3wj75j
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 12:13 PM (144vi)
? Do you dismiss Watergate? Do you dismiss all the radicals who are college professors today and mentors to today’s Leftists?
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 12:16 PM (MNhXM)
359
Why is my local news talking about a Pakistani train wreck?
WTF?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (ufFY
++++
It's distant and irrelevant, so a better coverage choice than local stuff you might not like?
WTF?
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (ufFY
++++
It's distant and irrelevant, so a better coverage choice than local stuff you might not like?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 12:16 PM (t0OGg)
360
If you take a step back and look at the big picture, most of our most epic Burn It All Down rants happen exactly one thread after somebody goes off on not getting their promotion, just like today.
We are first and foremost men of our time, and like the men of other times those are are mostly hypocritical bullshitters.
We are first and foremost men of our time, and like the men of other times those are are mostly hypocritical bullshitters.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 07, 2023 12:17 PM (4PZHB)
361
353 Economics is just making and selling things.
It has nothing to do with Finance.
These are distinct categories.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:16 PM (SaqTR)
Sure it does.
Finance is just coming up with clever ways to make someone else pay for you making and selling things.
It has nothing to do with Finance.
These are distinct categories.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:16 PM (SaqTR)
Sure it does.
Finance is just coming up with clever ways to make someone else pay for you making and selling things.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 07, 2023 12:17 PM (/EuRN)
362
NOOD JIM JORDAN
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 12:17 PM (t0OGg)
363
NOODlum.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 07, 2023 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)
364
NOOD Ace!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 07, 2023 12:17 PM (xSSfo)
365
That’s why Reagan is the greatest President in our history. He made even the smartest people forget about the 60’s and 70’s.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 12:12 PM (MNhXM)
Jfc dude.
Maybe MAYBE his first two years were good. Maybe.
Nixon was the best hands down.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 12:12 PM (MNhXM)
Jfc dude.
Maybe MAYBE his first two years were good. Maybe.
Nixon was the best hands down.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:18 PM (SaqTR)
366
Dissolve the people and elect another?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
In acid?
Posted by: Sponge
That escalated rather quickly.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
In acid?
Posted by: Sponge
That escalated rather quickly.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 07, 2023 12:18 PM (5apCz)
367
Finance I've found is taught better due to the focus on making money and practical application, often saying "this is the theory but it's got these issues so grain of salt".
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
---------
I would agree, along with Accounting, these are much more solid conceptual frameworks with applications in the real world. Marketing, Management, and other Biz School fields, not so much. One of the my favorite examples of Biz management is being taught that the matrix type organization used by NASA was one of the exciting new forms of managing large organizations.
Chris Kraft, longtime head of Manned Spaceflight Center, in his biography explodes the entire concept. NASA was more management by crisis than any formal management style according to him. His biography, a Man Called Flight is uniformly excellent.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
---------
I would agree, along with Accounting, these are much more solid conceptual frameworks with applications in the real world. Marketing, Management, and other Biz School fields, not so much. One of the my favorite examples of Biz management is being taught that the matrix type organization used by NASA was one of the exciting new forms of managing large organizations.
Chris Kraft, longtime head of Manned Spaceflight Center, in his biography explodes the entire concept. NASA was more management by crisis than any formal management style according to him. His biography, a Man Called Flight is uniformly excellent.
Posted by: whig at August 07, 2023 12:18 PM (bk5GW)
368
Ironically (or perhaps predictably), while the Left insisted the Constitution was a "live" document, what they were really trying to do was make sure it was a "dead" document.
Posted by: ... at August 07, 2023 12:19 PM (CBajr)
369
America is beset primarily by the "Deep State", the "Administrative State". Next SCOTUS term, the fragile majority has a chance to wound the unconstitutional Administrative State.
Forcing Congress away from the uniparty approach to government is a real possibility, I believe, if we can get this. Pray hard!
Forcing Congress away from the uniparty approach to government is a real possibility, I believe, if we can get this. Pray hard!
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2023 12:19 PM (WNDpb)
370
"The post-dictatorship phase is part of the prescription and not diagnosis or apparatus.
It was also propaganda mostly.
But other than that yes.
It is not neo-lib technocracy which is debt service macimiztion.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (SaqTR)"
I'm not sure what Lenin really had in mind to follow the terror, or if there WAS even any phase intended to follow the terror. But whatever Marx had in mind was straight out the window by that point, and then Stalin followed it up by YOLOing towards whatever the fuck he had in mind which, at a guess, was probably more short-sighted than whatever atrocities Lenin envisioned.
The Chinese had to go through their own Stalin phase (Mao) before they figured out what was up and course-corrected. I wonder if the Stalin phase (thuggery) is a natural consequence of the Lenin phase (a sort of self-sustaining post-moral ideological singularity)
It was also propaganda mostly.
But other than that yes.
It is not neo-lib technocracy which is debt service macimiztion.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:14 PM (SaqTR)"
I'm not sure what Lenin really had in mind to follow the terror, or if there WAS even any phase intended to follow the terror. But whatever Marx had in mind was straight out the window by that point, and then Stalin followed it up by YOLOing towards whatever the fuck he had in mind which, at a guess, was probably more short-sighted than whatever atrocities Lenin envisioned.
The Chinese had to go through their own Stalin phase (Mao) before they figured out what was up and course-corrected. I wonder if the Stalin phase (thuggery) is a natural consequence of the Lenin phase (a sort of self-sustaining post-moral ideological singularity)
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:19 PM (QBv/U)
371
Finance is just coming up with clever ways to make someone else pay for you making and selling things.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 07, 2023 12:17 PM (/EuRN)
Well, at least we agree they are distinct categories.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 07, 2023 12:17 PM (/EuRN)
Well, at least we agree they are distinct categories.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:19 PM (SaqTR)
372
350: there is scarcely local news anymore. It's only worth watching for the weather.
My local ABC affiliate, for instance. They spend the first five minutes doing a rundown on news from the region, including the OK panhandle and parts of NM. Fine, they are covering the region. No biggie. The rest of the time they simply repackage ABC News and cover national and international stories. Nevermind that when I need to be lied to by the national media, I'll go watch them.
Don't get me started on local fishwraps, that are nothing more than the Community Calendar, and do exactly zero hard reporting on what goes on in city and county government and school boards.
My local ABC affiliate, for instance. They spend the first five minutes doing a rundown on news from the region, including the OK panhandle and parts of NM. Fine, they are covering the region. No biggie. The rest of the time they simply repackage ABC News and cover national and international stories. Nevermind that when I need to be lied to by the national media, I'll go watch them.
Don't get me started on local fishwraps, that are nothing more than the Community Calendar, and do exactly zero hard reporting on what goes on in city and county government and school boards.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 07, 2023 12:20 PM (f0XAF)
373
"It's the same people, but they were *lying* then. The "celebrated free speech" because it benefited *them.* They opposed political prosecutions because *they* would have the targets of them.
None of these were philosophical or ideological positions, they were transactional positions in pursuit of their goals.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (t0OGg)"
Yep and this is exactly the mistake people like VDH made for decades, taking the left at face-value not realizing the simple, brutal, hollowness of their real positions.
None of these were philosophical or ideological positions, they were transactional positions in pursuit of their goals.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 07, 2023 12:15 PM (t0OGg)"
Yep and this is exactly the mistake people like VDH made for decades, taking the left at face-value not realizing the simple, brutal, hollowness of their real positions.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:21 PM (QBv/U)
374
The Chinese had to go through their own Stalin phase (Mao) before they figured out what was up and course-corrected. I wonder if the Stalin phase (thuggery) is a natural consequence of the Lenin phase (a sort of self-sustaining post-moral ideological singularity)
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:19 PM (QBv/U)
I am nondefender of stalin. But we all need to admit everything we think we know about Stalin is wrong.
Almost everything we think we know about the USSR is wrong.
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:19 PM (QBv/U)
I am nondefender of stalin. But we all need to admit everything we think we know about Stalin is wrong.
Almost everything we think we know about the USSR is wrong.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:21 PM (SaqTR)
375
Posted by: somedood at August 07, 2023 12:19 PM (QBv/U)
Lenin had Critical Theory in mind after the Terror.
Lenin had Critical Theory in mind after the Terror.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:23 PM (SaqTR)
376
Meaty post. I don't think I will get through the entire post and the comments in one sitting.
Posted by: Emmie at August 07, 2023 12:32 PM (KhmNK)
377
I don't know man. Antinomians are against patriotism and patriotism is belief in the legitimacy of the state? Our state showed how much it cared for "legitimacy" right out of the gate with the Whiskey Rebellion. If patriotism is love of the state than I am not a patriot.
Posted by: Oglebay at August 07, 2023 12:39 PM (ogTiX)
378
Shit's about to get real I'd say!
Posted by: Tom at August 07, 2023 12:46 PM (+ezMB)
379
The socialists have given up on the working class--they refuse to revolt. So they have adopted wholesale the "homeless" class, which is serving as a slo-mo destruction of capitalism and tradition.
And they're happy too: free food, drugs, etc.
And they're happy too: free food, drugs, etc.
Posted by: PJ at August 07, 2023 01:15 PM (G1dq6)
380
365 That’s why Reagan is the greatest President in our history. He made even the smartest people forget about the 60’s and 70’s.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 12:12 PM (MNhXM)
Jfc dude.
Maybe MAYBE his first two years were good. Maybe.
Nixon was the best hands down.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:18 PM (SaqTR)
That HAS to be one of the stupidest posts that I have ever seen anywhere.
Yeah, the dbag who took us off the Gold Standard, locking in inflation in perpetuity, was "the best".
Look in the mirror and rethink your life.
Posted by: polynikes at August 07, 2023 12:12 PM (MNhXM)
Jfc dude.
Maybe MAYBE his first two years were good. Maybe.
Nixon was the best hands down.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 12:18 PM (SaqTR)
That HAS to be one of the stupidest posts that I have ever seen anywhere.
Yeah, the dbag who took us off the Gold Standard, locking in inflation in perpetuity, was "the best".
Look in the mirror and rethink your life.
Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at August 07, 2023 01:35 PM (RAxpg)
381
That HAS to be one of the stupidest posts that I have ever seen anywhere.
Yeah, the dbag who took us off the Gold Standard, locking in inflation in perpetuity, was "the best".
Look in the mirror and rethink your life.
Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at August 07, 2023 01:35 PM (RAxpg)
Thanks man.
Yeah, the dbag who took us off the Gold Standard, locking in inflation in perpetuity, was "the best".
Look in the mirror and rethink your life.
Posted by: Kwai Chang Mandelblit at August 07, 2023 01:35 PM (RAxpg)
Thanks man.
Posted by: Thesokorus at August 07, 2023 01:54 PM (ucwxz)
382
We know who and where these critters live. Come the revolution who is going to save them, Antifa, BLM?
Posted by: Jane at August 07, 2023 06:13 PM (EcD5Y)
383
"He uses a term that is new to me, “antinomian,” which can be defined simply as a rejection of all moral, religious, and social traditions."
Antinomian means "against law," or lawless.
Antinomian means "against law," or lawless.
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My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat