Paul Sperry: The FBI Hid The Full Extent of Its Serial Frauds Upon the FISA Court By Redacting Details of Its Deceptions in FOIA Documents

It claimed the redactions were to protect "sources and methods." In fact, they are denying information the public has a right to to protect the FBI's criminal leadership.

The embattled bureau tried to hide its misconduct by redacting information about its actions under the guise that it involved sensitive intelligence information. RCI has learned that at least some of the redacted material, included in a "Classified Appendix" to Special Counsel John Durham's final report, has nothing to do with protecting "sources and methods" and other "sensitive" investigative techniques.
Instead, it covers up additional improper behavior by the FBI brass, which initiated and signed off on all four of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act applications to spy on former Trump adviser Carter Page and his contacts within the Trump campaign and presidency in 2016 and 2017.
For example, the FBI tried to justify continuing to spy on Page in early 2017 by indicating to the secret FISA court that it had verified a rumor about Page receiving dirt on Hillary Clinton from the Russian government and facilitating a "well-developed conspiracy of cooperation" with the Kremlin to swing the 2016 election in Trump's favor. But the bureau had corroborated no such thing. Its source was a front-page report in the Washington Post -- one the newspaper later retracted after determining it was false, according to two former U.S. officials who have seen the original, unredacted FISA applications and described the passages to RCI.

In other words, the supporting evidence it claimed proved a "well-developed conspiracy of cooperation" with Russia was a Washington Post article, which, of course, just repeated all of the lies that the FBI's RussiaGate source Christopher Steele was feeding it.

But the FBI doesn't want you to know that.

So they blacked out the documents which specify that all we're talking about here is a newspaper article, and they claimed the "Sources and Methods" exemption as their pretext to hide it.

The FBI is claiming you're not allowed to know they read publicly-available newspapers!

The embarrassing revelation hasn't been previously reported thanks to redactions blacking out references to the Washington Post article in the still-partially classified applications. The officials confirmed to RCI that the censored section covers up the FBI's reliance on the bogus Post story, published in March 2017, as purported evidence supporting probable cause to continue spying on Trump's former aide. In the sections of the FISA renewal applications blacking out references to the Post, the officials said the FBI claimed the underlying text was "sensitive information."

That's too sensitive to disclose! We can't let the Russkies know we've developed this cutting edge technique of reading public newspapers!

The real reason they're blacking it out is because their "source" is just circular-reporting bullshit, Christopher Steele feeding the same crap to the Post that he's feeding to the FBI, with the criminals at the FBI then claiming the Washington Post is an "independent source" that "confirms" their original source. When their "original source" is the same person as the "independent source," and they know that.

 The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss still-classified sections of the FISA warrant affidavits.
The FBI's references to the Post story are contained in the April and June 2017 FISA applications. These applications were so tainted by bad information, politics, and glaring exculpatory omissions that after an inspector general's probe, the Justice Department years later had to secretly concede to a federal surveillance court that they were "insufficient" to establish probable cause to spy on Page and therefore "were not valid."
FBI Director Christopher Wray recently told Congress he has instituted a number of reforms in response to the FISA surveillance abuses, yet at the same time, he appears to have tried to hide the full extent of those abuses under redactions.
An FBI spokeswoman said, "We decline comment on this matter." Attempts to reach Durham, who has closed his office looking into FBI malfeasance, were unsuccessful.

And why would you comment? Why should the Stasi lower itself to answer the questions of the people?

Another case of the FBI engaging in its own conspiracy to frame a man, using the circular-reporting "confirmation" of a paid shill for Hillary Clinton:

This is not the only instance in which the FBI misrepresented unconfirmed news reports to secure authorization to spy on the Trump campaign. The bureau's FISA applications also referenced a September 2016 Yahoo News account to substantiate the false claim that Page had met with Kremlin officials in Moscow during the presidential campaign.
That Yahoo article by Michael Isikoff said the allegations had been confirmed by a "well-placed Western intelligence source." Isikoff later revealed that the source, former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele, had concocted the false allegation about Page in a series of now-debunked memos financed by Hillary Clinton's campaign. Hence, Steele was "corroborating" his own shoddy work. Instead of following the law and verifying this material before including it in the FISA application, the FBI simply repeated it as fact. In 2018, Isikoff said it was "a bit beyond me" why the bureau referenced his article.

So the FBI again claim that the Yahoo story "confirms" Steele's "tips," but of course Steele was the source for the Yahoo story. Steele is "confirming" himself.

The FBI knows this is going on. But it perpetrates a fraud on the court because they're criminals who are in the permanent business of rigging American elections.

Before this next part, you need to understand that leftwing "think tank" worker and Clinton Administration Hopeful Igor Danchenko was making all of this crap up. When asked who his source for his claims was, he said "Sergei Millian."

That was a good name to drop, because Millian was a big macher and knew Trump. So if Millian was the source, Igor Danchenko's lies at least had some potential credibility.

The trouble was: The FBI could never verify that Millian was providing this "intelligence." He vigorously denied it, both in public and to the FBI.

But that didn't stop the FBI from claiming they'd "confirmed" he was the source.

Their proof for that? The Washington Post article which itself was just more lies from Steele and Danchenko.

The officials who spoke to RCI said the inclusion of the since-retracted Post story may be even more egregious because it was unsourced, which should have sent red flags flying at the FBI. Post reporters said a key source of the dossier's allegations was a Belarusian-American businessman named Sergei Millian. The Post, however, provided no source for this blockbuster claim, which Millian vociferously denied.

The FBI's reliance on the false Post story was "an act of desperation," noted one of the officials. In late March 2017, he said the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane team investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia faced a dilemma. A court deadline to reapply for a warrant to spy on Page was fast approaching, and it still hadn't verified the sourcing for the key "conspiracy" charge against him and the Trump campaign.

Moreover, agents had reason to be skeptical about the information, which formed the cornerstone of their case.
Over the previous two months, the FBI had conducted a series of interviews with Igor Danchenko, a Russia-born Washington-based researcher who helped compile Steele's dossier of derogatory information about Trump's alleged ties to Russia, including the core "conspiracy" assertion. During the debriefings, Danchenko confessed he couldn't be sure his alleged source, Millian, actually told him what he attributed to him about Page in the dossier. 
The FBI needed the explosive allegation to be true because it was the heart of the factual information supporting probable cause to electronically monitor Page as a supposed Russian collaborator under the authority of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The FISA law, initially enacted in 1978 and broadened in the aftermath of 9/11, is now under intense scrutiny on Capitol Hill in light of previously exposed FBI abuses of the congressionally granted surveillance power. The bureau included the information in earlier requests for wiretaps, but they were set to expire in early April 2017. To justify renewing them another 90 days, the FBI was under pressure to show FISA judges additional evidence to support its suspicions about Page. Validating Millian as the main source of the dossier was critical, but the agents had come up empty, developing no evidence that corroborated the allegations.

Just in time, the Washington Post published a story online on March 29, 2017, that supposedly "confirmed" Millian was the source of the allegations against Page and the core claim of a Trump-Kremlin conspiracy. The strangely unsourced article carried the headline, "Who is 'Source D'? The man said to be behind the Trump-Russia dossier's most salacious claim: The story of Sergei Millian." The next day, the Post ran the same story on Page One of the paper, but under the headline: "Insider or opportunist? A wild card in Russia story: Businessman said to be source of spy dossier's salacious claim about Trump." The above-the-fold article appeared just eight days prior to the April 7 deadline the FBI faced to resubmit an application to the FISA court for a fresh warrant to secretly monitor Page.
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FBI veterans who have sworn out affidavits for FISA wiretaps told RCI they have never known the bureau to cite media stories as evidence to corroborate leads or support probable cause to obtain such all-invasive warrants from the spy court.

The FBI surely knew that this was just the Clinton-paid Steele, and the Clinton-loving, would-be Clinton hireling Danchenko, peddling the same lies to the Washington Post so that the FBI could point to that article as "confirming" their previous lies.

But the FBI went along with it anyway.

Proof that the FBI knows that all the agents who did this knew exactly what they were doing can be seen in the simple fact that the FBI is continuing to cover up for them with these false, illegal redactions. The Fed Mafia is still burning their old business records.

And Christopher Wray has not punished anyone for this. He says he's instituted "reforms" of the "system."

Whenever bureaucrats behave badly, or even break the law, or conspire to deprive citizens of their civil rights or rig an American election, their escape plan is just to get their higher-ups to give them "additional retraining" and to "reform the system."

But it wasn't "the system" that needs the reform. It's not "the system" that used falsified warrants to con a court into allowing the FBI to spy on the Trump campaign to help the Hillary Clinton campaign.

FBI personnel did that. It is they who need reform -- punishment; firing, and subsequently prosecution -- not the "system."

It is simply not even remotely plausible that the FBI agents rigging the election and conning the court into granting them a FISA "didn't know they couldn't use the same source as the original tipster and also use him to confirm his own tip."

They knew that. They knew they were breaking the rules -- and the law.

But they did it anyway.

And Christopher Wray's reply is, "I changed some regulations." The criminals ignored the last set of regulations, which also forbade this; why should new ones matter?

Do citizens, when accused by the FBI of obstruction of justice, get to say, "Oh dear, I'm sorry, I'll reform my system for answering FBI questions and do better in the future?"

Does Trump get to plead "I'll reform my classified documents handling system?"

No -- it's only federal bureaucrats doing the Regime's skulduggery who get to avoid punishment, offering "The system" up as a whipping boy instead.

But that's how the game works. When a crime has been committed and you don't want to prosecute the criminals because they're your palz and fellow Democrats, you say "the system" was the Real Criminal, and you give that system oh such a good spanking! You make sure that system is good and chastised and promises to never do wrong again!

And then you continue paying your pals who rigged two fucking American elections in a row $185,000 per year for their services, with 90% of salary for their yearly retirement payments.

And you definitely don't punish or "reform" your palz and political correligionists.

Punishment and accountability are for the Enemies of the FBI, not its palz.

In very related news: The FBI investigated who it was in government who had paid an Israeli hacking company -- a company on the list of the government's blacklist, a company government agents were forbidden to do business with -- for a tool used to spy on American citizens.

The FBI did find the criminal behind this -- Surprise! It was the FBI!

Whoops!

Whoopsie!

Who Paid for a Mysterious Spy Tool? The F.B.I., an F.B.I. Inquiry Found.
After a Times report, the bureau canceled its contract with a government contractor that used the tool on its behalf. But questions remain.

After they had been discovered paying for the spy tool by an outsider, only then did they cancel the contract.

You know what I smell? I smell "the system" is going to be subjected to further "reforms!"

But not a single FBI agent!

When The New York Times reported in April that a contractor had purchased and deployed a spying tool made by NSO, the contentious Israeli hacking firm, for use by the U.S. government, White House officials said they were unaware of the contract and put the F.B.I. in charge of figuring out who might have been using the technology.
After an investigation, the F.B.I. uncovered at least part of the answer: It was the F.B.I.
The deal for the surveillance tool between the contractor, Riva Networks, and NSO was completed in November 2021. Only days before, the Biden administration had put NSO on a Commerce Department blacklist, which effectively banned U.S. firms from doing business with the company. For years, NSO's spyware had been abused by governments around the world.
This particular tool, known as Landmark, allowed government officials to track people in Mexico without their knowledge or consent.
The F.B.I. now says that it used the tool unwittingly

"Unwittingly." No "intent," you see. "No reasonable prosecutor would bring charges.

Once the agency discovered in late April that Riva had used the spying tool on its behalf, Christopher A. Wray, the F.B.I. director, terminated the contract, according to U.S. officials.

What a hero. Once again, coming to the rescue after his agency is proven once again to be breaking the law.

Get workin' on those newest "reforms" to "the system," Chrissy.

Posted by: Ace at 03:15 PM

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1 st?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:16 PM (t0OGg)

2 st

Posted by: RUReadingthis at August 04, 2023 03:16 PM (aQ25I)

3 grey!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 04, 2023 03:16 PM (llON8)

4 So they blacked out the documents which specify that all we're talking about here is a newspaper article, and they claimed the "Sources and Methods" exemption as their pretext to hide it.

The FBI is claiming you're not allowed to know they read publicly-available newspapers!
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No, they acknowledge that. They call it "open source intelligence."

They don't want you to know that this is *all* they had.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:16 PM (t0OGg)

5 The embarrassing revelation
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Is it?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:17 PM (t0OGg)

6 Rotten to the Core

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2023 03:17 PM (pVWRI)

7 Lamont, you got some splainin to do .

Posted by: Fred Arnez at August 04, 2023 03:17 PM (ssESX)

8 The real reason they're blacking it out is because their "source" is just circular-reporting bullshit, Christopher Steele feeding the same crap to the Post that he's feeding to the FBI, with the criminals at the FBI then claiming the Washington Post is an "independent source" that "confirms" their original source. When their "original source" is the same person as the "independent source," and they know that.
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Well, yeah. They'd look like a bunch of corrupt goons if they made that known!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:18 PM (t0OGg)

9 Thanks for fixing!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 04, 2023 03:18 PM (ssESX)

10 FBI Director Christopher Wray recently told Congress he has instituted a number of reforms in response to the FISA surveillance abuses, yet at the same time, he appears to have tried to hide the full extent of those abuses under redactions.
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There is only one possible way to reform FISA, and that is by repealing FISA.

FISA is incompatible with American justice and always has been. It is *begging* for abuse, and it got what it wanted from day 1.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:18 PM (t0OGg)

11 This is my shocked face..........

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 04, 2023 03:19 PM (QNSds)

12 Banana Republic if you can keep it.

Posted by: Infidel at August 04, 2023 03:19 PM (0zJ6Q)

13 The fact that the government, intelligence agencies, and all forms of media were able to participate in such a fake, made up, wide ranging conspiracy for so long should be an eye opener for some.

Remember the ONLY reason they got caught is because Trump won.

We were never supposed to know and he was supposed to go to jail.

Posted by: ... at August 04, 2023 03:19 PM (HJY0X)

14 @10 Dang Patriot Act *spit*

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 04, 2023 03:19 PM (ssESX)

15 The FBI knows this is going on. But it perpetrates a fraud on the court because they're criminals who are in the permanent business of rigging American elections.
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Ace, that is patently unfair. They're in the permanent business of protecting the ruling class and expanding the power of the deep state. Rigging American elections is only sometimes necessary in pursuit of the overall goal.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:20 PM (t0OGg)

16 Yep. if it makes deep state look bad, classify it.

Posted by: henry at August 04, 2023 03:20 PM (JMDly)

17 But that didn't stop the FBI from claiming they'd "confirmed" he was the source.

Their proof for that? The Washington Post article which itself was just more lies from Steele and Danchenko.
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Look, you asked for confirmation so they made sure they got the confirmation. What more do you want?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:20 PM (t0OGg)

18 Why even bother hiding it? It's not like the FISA court is going to do anything about it.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 04, 2023 03:21 PM (ppBhU)

19 Look, you asked for confirmation so they made sure they got the confirmation. What more do you want?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:20 PM (t0OGg)

decorated lampposts

Posted by: henry at August 04, 2023 03:21 PM (JMDly)

20 More than likely, the FBi was asked to give FISA plausible deniability.

So, I'm going with FISA said, "Whoa, there, you'll need to remove a few things because we'd rather not know. Then we can proceed."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at August 04, 2023 03:21 PM (2YtOq)

21 I hesitate to comment until REDACTED weighs in.

Posted by: wth at August 04, 2023 03:22 PM (v0R5T)

22 The FBI investigating the FBI and finding the FBI guilty, but giving the FBI a pass is almost peak 2023.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 04, 2023 03:22 PM (Q4IgG)

23 The above-the-fold article appeared just eight days prior to the April 7 deadline the FBI faced to resubmit an application to the FISA court for a fresh warrant to secretly monitor Page.
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And I am sure that nobody on the FISA court - not a single one of those straight-shooting, freedom-loving, liberty-defending judges - thought the timing a bit curious or asked about actual, independent confirmation.

They all probably knew the score, too (or at very least, had serious suspicions about what was going on). They understand how this game is played. They wanted to check a box, so they checked a box.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:22 PM (t0OGg)

24 It's probably bad for me to wish leprosy on the FBI

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 04, 2023 03:22 PM (8BLHA)

25 The FBI lies, maybe it always has

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 04, 2023 03:22 PM (xcxpd)

26 FBI can't let America know they routinely pull 'evidence' out their ass and frame people with that 'evidence'.

Posted by: Eromero at August 04, 2023 03:22 PM (z3WCn)

27 We'll put a stop to it. We're slashing the FBI budget increase from 33% to 32.9%. That will teach them a lesson.

Posted by: House GOP at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (BgZwK)

28 @22 The FBI let the FBI off with a warning.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (ssESX)

29 The FBI was always a huge mistake, nothing but an American Gestapo with a big PR budget (including TV shows) It cannot be reformed, it must be abolished completely and the authority returned to the States.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (i9ffA)

30 It's almost as if the conclusion to the story was written first.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (V65Dk)

31 I suspect WAPO enjoys being anally raped by the FBI. If they found it unpleasant you'd think they'd stop exposing their ass to them every other day.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (Hudry)

32 I keep seeing Christopher Wray's name on everything and I keep shaking my head at the idiot that put him charge of the FBI.

Posted by: Blago at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (OPX61)

33 What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Monica Lewinsky's ex boyfriend's wife at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (MqnD6)

34 I agree with those who say damn near NOTHING the government does should be kept secret. The only things that should be are those that appear to show an imminent risk to citizens.

Your "sources and methods" should ALWAYS be available for review, by someone who doesn't answer to anyone, politically. And the burden of proof should be on releasing everything, unless a compelling case has been made why it shouldn't be.

But that's fantasy world, I know it.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (L49LX)

35 Whenever bureaucrats behave badly, or even break the law, or conspire to deprive citizens of their civil rights or rig an American election, their escape plan is just to get their higher-ups to give them "additional retraining" and to "reform the system."
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When they do an oopsie, they need to learn why it's bad. No problem.

Are you implying that these people can't improve? Or are you implying that the institutions are not only incapable of improvement, they have no desire to improve?

We're getting dangerously close to wrongthink here...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (t0OGg)

36 I mean, the CIA has acted unlawfully from its very inception, literally. I'm putting down a bet the FBI has been doing the same thing.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 04, 2023 03:24 PM (xcxpd)

37 Top men!

Posted by: PG at August 04, 2023 03:24 PM (84jHt)

38 Reading the popular local domestic newspaper is not a super secret classified method or sources.

Posted by: rd at August 04, 2023 03:24 PM (2YQ8D)

39 Since it's obvious the FISA court is ripe for abuse, it sort of suggests it shouldn't exist, right?

Instead, it'll be, "We'll put some new controls in place and we swear, this will never happen again!"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at August 04, 2023 03:25 PM (2YtOq)

40 Protecting sources and methods is for espionage against hostile foreign entities, not law enforcement.

Who does the FBI consider to be hostile foreign entities?

....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:25 PM (9UlRk)

41 Amazing we have come to mimic Russia with our surveillance state - FSB and SVR meet the CIA and FBI. Helluva 5 year plan.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 04, 2023 03:25 PM (oWBc3)

42 29 The FBI was always a huge mistake, nothing but an American Gestapo with a big PR budget (including TV shows) It cannot be reformed, it must be abolished completely and the authority returned to the States.
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This would be true of the entire DOJ. DOJ was created to keep the south down and dependent to the victors.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 04, 2023 03:26 PM (Hudry)

43 FBI personnel did that. It is they who need reform -- punishment; firing, and subsequently prosecution -- not the "system."
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Non-sarcastically, it's both. Yes, the *people* are shit heels and need to be purged, but the system enables and encourages them to do what they do. We *do* need system reform as well as personnel reform.

More specifically, we need system elimination. FISA needs to be repealed and shut down. NSA data logging of Americans needs to be repealed and shut down. The FBI - well, more accurately, the entire DoJ - needs to be completely eliminated and rebuilt from scratch.

The people are corrupt and unfixable, but so are the institutions. It needs to be scraped off the earth and replaced with entirely new personnel and under an entirely new mandate.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:26 PM (t0OGg)

44 What local papers? Every one I read is not worth the pulp it's written on. As a matter of fact, whatever they report, I invert 180 degrees.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 04, 2023 03:26 PM (MeG8a)

45 Reading the popular local domestic newspaper is not a super secret classified method or sources.
Posted by: rd

For Everyone's Eyes Only.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 04, 2023 03:26 PM (FVME7)

46 How did the FBI get there power, status and absolute freedom from accountability.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 04, 2023 03:26 PM (8BLHA)

47 And you definitely don't punish or "reform" your palz and political correligionists.

Punishment and accountability are for the Enemies of the FBI, not its palz.
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Accountability is the dirtiest word in politics.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:27 PM (t0OGg)

48 So basically, this really expensive to own and operate government agency just fucks around and does whatever they want and entrap good citizens.

Cancel all of their fucking paychecks.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 04, 2023 03:27 PM (9dBi8)

49 Vote to acquit every defendant an FBI agent testifies against, regardless of the charge.

Let these shitheels know that we know.

Posted by: mr tmz at August 04, 2023 03:27 PM (rJ48h)

50 An FBI spokeswoman said, "We decline comment on this matter." Attempts to reach Durham, who has closed his office looking into FBI malfeasance, were unsuccessful.

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Steiner will come!

Out: #2000mules.
In: #2000weeks.

Posted by: ShainS -- We're Happy Ace's Geriatric Club ... at August 04, 2023 03:27 PM (lb+Sl)

51 They lie to us.
We know they're lying.
They know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.

Posted by: A Mountain of Crumbs at August 04, 2023 03:27 PM (MqnD6)

52
And Christopher Wray has not punished anyone for this. He says he's instituted "reforms" of the "system."

Redactions will now be performed with white-out rather than a Sharpie. That's what you illiterate cousin-humping redneck reactionaries wanted, right?

Posted by: Christopher Wray at August 04, 2023 03:27 PM (n+4am)

53 Well, of course the FBI did that. At this point, we expect nothing more. And nothing less. Unfortunately.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 04, 2023 03:27 PM (tQL7r)

54 The police state apparatus has been built and the enemies have been found: Middle America.

Chinese running their own police force on American soil? No problem.

Russian Oligarchs funding environmental groups? No big deal.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at August 04, 2023 03:27 PM (2YtOq)

55 After they had been discovered paying for the spy tool by an outsider, only then did they cancel the contract.

You know what I smell? I smell "the system" is going to be subjected to further "reforms!"

But not a single FBI agent!
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The agents will be made to sit through government-issue training modules in a beige classroom. Isn't that punishment enough?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:27 PM (t0OGg)

56 "How did the FBI get there power, status and absolute freedom from accountability."

By having dirt on literally everyone in DC.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 04, 2023 03:28 PM (MeG8a)

57 "Unwittingly." No "intent," you see. "No reasonable prosecutor would bring charges.
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Ignorance of the law is not a defense, right?

Oh, wait. That's just for the scum class.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:28 PM (t0OGg)

58 We should not have any kind of secret courts here in the US. Should all be public and out in the open, which I think is the way it always used to be.

Posted by: The Beeman at August 04, 2023 03:28 PM (FXh5a)

59 38 Reading the popular local domestic newspaper is not a super secret classified method or sources

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I wonder what Top Secret Code Word classification they use for the very advanced espionage technique of using the Google Web Search AND Duck Duck Go both at the same time?

Posted by: rd at August 04, 2023 03:28 PM (2YQ8D)

60 I have to say, I'm at least heartened by the response of the FISA court and its judges. Their righteous indignation was a breath of fresh air.

I was beginning to get a little cynical that this government of ours could ever be fixed but their dedication to honesty and integrity really warmed the cockles of my heart.

Good on them for not taking being lied to and abused lying down.

Wait, what?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 03:29 PM (KbCG3)

61 You know what I smell?

Ham and Eggs!!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 04, 2023 03:29 PM (qW9k0)

62 33 What difference, at this point, does it make?
Posted by: Monica Lewinsky's ex boyfriend's wife at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (MqnD

Context applied, thankfully

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 04, 2023 03:29 PM (glGDV)

63 And the uniparty will do nothing because this benefits them.

Posted by: Archer at August 04, 2023 03:29 PM (R7XIf)

64 They want a record size new government building.

They should get a quonset hut in Georgia. With a dirt parking lot.

Because I'm a giver.

Posted by: torabora at August 04, 2023 03:29 PM (5/jfO)

65 I mean, the CIA has acted unlawfully from its very inception, literally. I'm putting down a bet the FBI has been doing the same thing.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Yep. I'm convinced you're right

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 04, 2023 03:29 PM (tQL7r)

66 I agree with those who say damn near NOTHING the government does should be kept secret. The only things that should be are those that appear to show an imminent risk to citizens.

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+1

I could understand in the Cold War era, but that's long gone. No more secrets, I'm far more afraid of my own government than a foreign one.

And yet we still blink at even the easy stuff, like declassifying JFK docs. WTF? I dont even care about this, but we're protecting who or what exactly at this point? You can't have transparency when everyone involved is long dead?

Posted by: Blago at August 04, 2023 03:29 PM (OPX61)

67 But, but, but, the FBIs on CBS are good guys!!!

Posted by: Dumbass LIV CBS watchers at August 04, 2023 03:29 PM (ufFY8)

68 Is it safe to assume the FBI is, for the most part, actually running the country?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 04, 2023 03:30 PM (Q4IgG)

69 Is there an algorithm for that? With Bluetooth?

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (glGDV)

70
Jury Nullification when the FBI is involved is totes not justified, Morons. Don't do it.

*whistles absently*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (n+4am)

71 Not even 20 years since 911 and it's obvious that the terrorists won.

Just look at all the bull shit caused by DC that has happened since then.

Posted by: pawn at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (wsHtO)

72 Yes, the IC runs the country.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (TZ75n)

73 I'm all in on jury nullification. Violent crime? You're getting the max. Anything else that even sounds marginal? Especially involving the Feds, you are walking.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (oWBc3)

74 The proper response to all of this bullshit is to deploy party poppers and bottles of champagne whenever one of these agencies' dipshits gets bumped off by a criminal.

Calling for it to happen is a no-no but celebrating it is still allowed.

For now, anyways.

Posted by: somedood at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (QBv/U)

75
Good to see that the bikini clad artistic representation standing next to King Harv's Ma Deuce is employing hearing protection.

I know, I know.

I'm off to sit in the corner for 5 being under the 100 comment rule.

Posted by: Auspex at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (j4U/Z)

76 We'll put a stop to it. We're slashing the FBI budget increase from 33% to 32.9%. That will teach them a lesson.
Posted by: House GOP at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (BgZwK)

We secretly replaced the FBI with the old Soviet Cheka.

Let's see if they notice....

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (ftih5)

77 What's Steele up to these days?

I would imagine life would be very uncomfortable for a guy who interfered with a U.S. election in a way that Putin could only dream of.

(I have a crappy imagination)

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (KbCG3)

78 Secrecy is for foreign enemies.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:32 PM (9UlRk)

79 It's probably bad for me to wish leprosy on the FBI
Posted by: That Northernlurker

Technically the CDC prefers it to be called Hansen's Disease

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 04, 2023 03:32 PM (tQL7r)

80 Fully Boosted & Inoculated

Posted by: Ham and eggs...mmm...1 at August 04, 2023 03:32 PM (q1Zxb)

81 "58 We should not have any kind of secret courts here in the US. Should all be public and out in the open, which I think is the way it always used to be.
Posted by: The Beeman at August 04, 2023 03:28 PM (FXh5a)"

The difference was - at some point in the distant past - if you colored outside the lines, it was on you. The institution wouldn't exert itself to cover your ass and if you got busted you were on your own.

This is fundamentally different than secret courts rubber stamping everything and having it officially buried.

Posted by: somedood at August 04, 2023 03:32 PM (QBv/U)

82 Here is you need to know about the FISA courts and their warrants. Since coming into existence in 1979 through 2017:
Total warrants requested: 41,222
Total warrants issued as-is: 40,668 (some with multiple attempts)
Total warrants issued after modification: 1,252
Total warrants denied: 85

So 98.7% of all requests were granted with no further questions. Just 0.2% of warrants were denied. Now ask yourself what in your life you have *ever* seen with a 98.7% success rate. Who in your life is right 98.7% of the time? What business that you have worked for has accuracy in records of 98.7%?

That high success rate for FISA warrants isn't because the system is so robust and has so many checks and balances. It's because the FISA warrant system is - and always has been - deeply corrupt.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:33 PM (t0OGg)

83 The sad part, even Hoover is rolling over in his grave, seeing how the FBI has become a subsidiary of the democratic party

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2023 03:33 PM (pVWRI)

84 I'm all in on jury nullification. Violent crime? You're getting the max. Anything else that even sounds marginal? Especially involving the Feds, you are walking.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem

___
Conservatives are going to have to start doing this, with Republican lawmakers openly encouraging it.

Maybe then they will get the message.

Posted by: Blago at August 04, 2023 03:33 PM (OPX61)

85 Hmmm…Maybe I should apply for a job with King Harv…

Posted by: Boss of Wolfus at August 04, 2023 03:33 PM (xTRSc)

86 Eff Bee Eye needs to b rd disbanded, it's now the Deep State strong arm

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2023 03:33 PM (MOY79)

87 I'm all in on jury nullification. Violent crime? You're getting the max. Anything else that even sounds marginal? Especially involving the Feds, you are walking.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (oWBc3)

I'm of the opinion that anything even remotely circumstantial gets a "not guilty" vote. You better have something more than your DNA, collected from God knows where. You better have something more than a "confession" that is obtained after hours in an interrogation box.

I need eyewitnesses, several, and/or video evidence that unquestionably shows the perp doing the crime.

Otherwise, he walks. Period.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:34 PM (ftih5)

88 So the WaPo is a CI?

Wow.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 04, 2023 03:34 PM (yUEWL)

89 Yes, the IC runs the country.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

Maybe so. But PBD thinks it's....Larry Fink.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 04, 2023 03:34 PM (tQL7r)

90 So 98.7% of all requests were granted with no further questions. Just 0.2% of warrants were denied. Now ask yourself what in your life you have *ever* seen with a 98.7% success rate.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:33 PM (t0OGg)

Joe Biden's ability to win votes in urban centers?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 03:34 PM (KbCG3)

91 I agree with those who say damn near NOTHING the government does should be kept secret. The only things that should be are those that appear to show an imminent risk to citizens. ...
Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (L49LX)
++++
:: raises hand ::

I've been belaboring this point for years myself. Secrecy of government operation - *any* government operation - should be a notable and important exception.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:34 PM (t0OGg)

92 Begone, Boss of Wolfus sock!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 04, 2023 03:34 PM (xTRSc)

93 Hasn't the FISA court judges sanctioned the lawyers that lied to them Bar cards?

Are they just shills for the FBI?

(CLUE: of nearly 34,000 warrant requests to the FISA Court, only 12 have been denied.)

Posted by: torabora at August 04, 2023 03:34 PM (5/jfO)

94 In after "and nothing will happen".

Posted by: InZona at August 04, 2023 03:35 PM (ysLjK)

95 Maybe I should apply for a job with King Harv…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 04, 2023 03:35 PM (xTRSc)

96 Can't we send mega-pimped King Harv in to clean house?

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 04, 2023 03:36 PM (/hs1M)

97 95 Maybe I should apply for a job with King Harv…
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 04, 2023 03:35 PM (xTRSc)

His employees are exceptional. And well armed.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 04, 2023 03:36 PM (xcxpd)

98 Thought the bikini was invented after well Bikini Atoll.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 04, 2023 03:36 PM (yUEWL)

99 Banana Republic if you can keep it.
Posted by: Infidel at August 04, 2023 03:19 PM (0zJ6Q)

A Banana Republic you will be forced to keep!

Posted by: InZona at August 04, 2023 03:36 PM (ysLjK)

100 Joe Biden's ability to win votes in urban centers?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 03:34 PM (KbCG3)
++++
LOL. Okay. What *honest* think in your life have you ever seen with a 98.7% success rate?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:36 PM (t0OGg)

101 May a leper French kiss Christopher Wray m

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 04, 2023 03:36 PM (8BLHA)

102 I'm full on nullification. I don't care if the asshole confesses and there's seven hours of video and the receipts are sorted alphabetically. Not guilty. These mutants have ceded their right to pass judgement on anyone, including actual criminals.

This is why i will never be selected to be on a jury.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:37 PM (9UlRk)

103 When you get sinecure as a judge on the FISA Court you get real used to rubber stamping whatever because IT'S ALL A SECRET.

Posted by: torabora at August 04, 2023 03:37 PM (5/jfO)

104 Stay away from the brown acid.

Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
.@SpeakerPelosi: Republicans are only talking about impeaching Biden as a "diversionary tactic" from the strong economy

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 04, 2023 03:37 PM (FVME7)

105 LOL. Okay. What *honest* think in your life have you ever seen with a 98.7% success rate?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:36 PM (t0OGg)

Me stubbing my toe on the bed frame in the morning.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:37 PM (9UlRk)

106 Well armed?

Michelle Fields will go full Karen again.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 04, 2023 03:38 PM (yUEWL)

107 How many believe the FBI in reality cancelled the contract rather than just renamed it or "redacted it" if you will?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 04, 2023 03:38 PM (8GBH4)

108 FISA Court judges should be renamed "rubber stamps."

Posted by: mr tmz at August 04, 2023 03:38 PM (rJ48h)

109 Durham... LOL.

The FBI's top broom and rug man.

Posted by: henry at August 04, 2023 03:38 PM (JMDly)

110 Conservative War Machine
@WarMachineRR
Kamala Harris: “As the name suggests, community banks are in the community.”

-
Will this be on the test?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 04, 2023 03:39 PM (FVME7)

111 100 Joe Biden's ability to win votes in urban centers?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 03:34 PM (KbCG3)
++++
LOL. Okay. What *honest* think in your life have you ever seen with a 98.7% success rate?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:36 PM (t0OGg)

Sponge getting first.

Everything else is bull.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 03:39 PM (KbCG3)

112 Banana Republic if you can keep it.
Posted by: Infidel at August 04, 2023 03:19 PM (0zJ6Q)

A Banana Republic you will be forced to keep!
Posted by: InZona at August 04, 2023 03:36 PM (ysLjK)

==========•

The old Banana Republic up your tailpipe trick!

Posted by: rd at August 04, 2023 03:39 PM (2YQ8D)

113 I'm full on nullification. I don't care if the asshole confesses and there's seven hours of video and the receipts are sorted alphabetically. Not guilty. These mutants have ceded their right to pass judgement on anyone, including actual criminals.

This is why i will never be selected to be on a jury.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:37 PM (9UlRk)
+++
Ditto. Except I have no compunction about lying about my position on nullification. If it were to come up (and it usually does), I have no issues mouthing the expected words.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:39 PM (t0OGg)

114 Every bank is in a community unless it's on the fucking moon, you semen soaked flibbertigibbet.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:39 PM (9UlRk)

115 I agree with those who say damn near NOTHING the government does should be kept secret. The only things that should be are those that appear to show an imminent risk to citizens. ...
Posted by: BurtTC

It's a catch-22, the shit covered up by the FIB *was* an imminent risk to citizens.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 04, 2023 03:40 PM (/hs1M)

116 We know these are lies, we like it that way.

Posted by: FISA Courts at August 04, 2023 03:40 PM (fs1hN)

117 How many believe the FBI in reality cancelled the contract rather than just renamed it or "redacted it" if you will?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 04, 2023 03:38 PM

All they did was take it off the books and they will move money around to keep it going, standard bull$hit. No one expects anything different from an agency that has been *above* the law since day one of it's inception.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 04, 2023 03:40 PM (QNSds)

118 I agree with those who say damn near NOTHING the government does should be kept secret. The only things that should be are those that appear to show an imminent risk to citizens. ...
Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:23 PM (L49LX)

Isn't an imminent risk something the citizen should know? I guess you mean something that would put the citizens in imminent risk.

We know that they know that we know that sensitive classification is only so the politicians can avoid responsibility. That's the only reason for it.

Posted by: InZona at August 04, 2023 03:40 PM (ysLjK)

119 flibbertigibbet.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:39 PM (9UlRk)
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Someone watch "Sound of Music" recently?

..great word.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at August 04, 2023 03:41 PM (2YtOq)

120 It's a catch-22, the shit covered up by the FIB *was* an imminent risk to citizens.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 04, 2023 03:40 PM (/hs1M)
++++
But *they* were the risk!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:41 PM (t0OGg)

121 75
Good to see that the bikini clad artistic representation standing next to King Harv's Ma Deuce is employing hearing protection.

I know, I know.

I'm off to sit in the corner for 5 being under the 100 comment rule.
Posted by: Auspex at August 04, 2023 03:31 PM (j4U/Z)

No 100 comment rule in Ace threads. The boss isn't concerned about it

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 04, 2023 03:41 PM (xcxpd)

122 I mean they weren't lying, they wanted to protect that their sources were fraudulent and methods criminal, I'd want to protect that too

Posted by: Rbastid at August 04, 2023 03:41 PM (tgRFY)

123 The FBI should be so compartmentalized they suffocate.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 04, 2023 03:41 PM (yUEWL)

124 WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT....

Are you telling me the FBI is corrupt and just an enforcement arm for the Banana Republic we now live in!!?!?!?!?

I'm not going to sit here and listen to you besmirch the reputation of those great American ham 'n eggers in the FBI!!! They are all above reproach!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 04, 2023 03:42 PM (KUmG1)

125 The sad part, even Hoover is rolling over in his grave, seeing how the FBI has become a subsidiary of the democratic party
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 04, 2023 03:33 PM (pVWRI)

I think there's plenty of evidence, reasons to believe Hoover was a supreme con artist, who subverted "justice" pretty much from the start. The agency devolved from there, because it was poisoned from the start.

That he might find their current methods appalling don't change that basic fact.

Same as the CIA.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:42 PM (yWi/M)

126 You know, I hate that Arizona is lost to the lefties. When I first got here (from California) it seemed red as hell to me. But now we have Hobbs with executive orders for child mutilation. It's depressing.

Posted by: InZona at August 04, 2023 03:42 PM (ysLjK)

127 They are all above reproach!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 04, 2023 03:42 PM (KUmG1)

Some really are. As are many cops, all over the country.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:43 PM (yWi/M)

128 Because I'm sometimes less responsive than a 2x4 mules, it's taken me a while to figure out the FBI isn't all that interested in protecting the public, but, rather, is more interested in making criminals out of the average American.

Otherwise, why has the FBI shown up in force to arrest a Pastor for praying near an abortion clinic and ignored all of the known wolf mass shooters?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at August 04, 2023 03:43 PM (2YtOq)

129 I loathe bank marketing. You're not my friend. You're not my ally. You're sure as shit not my family. You're my god damn banker. You put on your pinstripe suit and boring tie, you get in that back room, you make me money, and the only thing i want to know about you is that you are indeed making me money, and that your children probably hate you because you spend all day making me money.

Now shut your pasty hoagie hole and go make me money.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:43 PM (9UlRk)

130 This is all old news. It's already been adjudicated...let's move on.

Posted by: Hillary at August 04, 2023 03:44 PM (gUQwJ)

131 In cooperation with the Department of Justice, The FBI has concluded their investigation of the FBI and found that the FBI has done nothing that warrants further investigation of the FBI by the FBI.

Posted by: Bob in Houston at August 04, 2023 03:44 PM (YBLgY)

132 Has there been a single mass shooter in the past 15 years that wasn't on the FBI's radar and still pulled off the shooting anyway. Nicholas Cruz, the kid who shot up Parkland HS in Florida was reported by several classmates to the local authorities AND the FBI a week before he killed 17 people.

I might be mistaken, but I thought the brothers that blew up the Boston Marathon were on the FBI's radar too.

Timothy McVeigh was definitely on the FBI's radar and he still blew up the Oklahoma City Federal building.

What the fuck do these guys do???

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 04, 2023 03:44 PM (9dBi8)

133 Federal Issued Stamped Accusation

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2023 03:44 PM (MOY79)

134 Ok, back to Yoko Kanno music on YouTube.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 04, 2023 03:45 PM (xcxpd)

135 121 No 100 comment rule in Ace threads. The boss isn't concerned about it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 04, 2023 03:41 PM (xcxpd)

=======

Since when are jugs off topic?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 04, 2023 03:45 PM (LvTSG)

136 This is all old news. It's already been adjudicated...let's move on.
Posted by: Hillary
-----

More to the point, there's no controlling legal authority.

Posted by: Al Gore at August 04, 2023 03:45 PM (gUQwJ)

137 Someone watch "Sound of Music" recently?

..great word.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at August 04, 2023 03:41 PM (2YtOq)

Lol, no, actually.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:45 PM (9UlRk)

138 Every bank is in a community unless it's on the fucking moon, you semen soaked flibbertigibbet.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:39 PM (9UlRk)
.......

Banks on the moon are exciting. Because the moon is in space, and space is big, and exciting.

Posted by: wth at August 04, 2023 03:45 PM (v0R5T)

139 This is all old news. It's already been adjudicated...let's move on.
Posted by: Hillary
-----

More to the point, there's no controlling legal authority.
Posted by: Al Gore
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Doesn't matter, they have no legal standing.

Posted by: Hawaiian judge at August 04, 2023 03:45 PM (gUQwJ)

140 Timothy McVeigh was definitely on the FBI's radar and he still blew up the Oklahoma City Federal building.

What the fuck do these guys do???
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 04, 2023 03:44 PM (9dBi

------------

I think the FBI ran Timothy McVeigh and lost control of the operation.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at August 04, 2023 03:46 PM (2YtOq)

141 "Unwittingly." No "intent," you see. "No reasonable prosecutor would bring charges.

---------

"No unwitting prosecutor ...'

Posted by: ShainS -- We're Happy Ace's Geriatric Club ... at August 04, 2023 03:46 PM (tn/bQ)

142 I'm not going to sit here and listen to you besmirch the reputation of those great American ham 'n eggers in the FBI!!! They are all above reproach!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian

Sean Hannity has entered the chat

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 04, 2023 03:46 PM (tQL7r)

143 I saw Pasty Hoagie Hole open for…someone.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 04, 2023 03:46 PM (xTRSc)

144 I mean, the CIA has acted unlawfully from its very inception, literally. I'm putting down a bet the FBI has been doing the same thing.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Yep. I'm convinced you're right
Posted by: Prime Sister at August 04, 2023 03:29 PM (tQL7r)
*******
No doubt about it.
The FBI is just as corrupt as the CIA.

"Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you." ~ Chuck Schumer

Posted by: redridinghood at August 04, 2023 03:46 PM (NpAcC)

145 You know, I hate that Arizona is lost to the lefties. When I first got here (from California) it seemed red as hell to me. But now we have Hobbs with executive orders for child mutilation. It's depressing.
Posted by: InZona at August 04, 2023 03:42 PM (ysLjK)

I think one has to start with the assumption that elections are "lost to the lefties," and then ask the question, if they are, then what else becomes possible?

Because I don't believe it's "the people" who are lost. I don't know what form any of this takes, but maybe it does start with people no longer believing in the electoral process, and then goes from there.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:46 PM (yWi/M)

146 ACAB

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 04, 2023 03:46 PM (1ZbaF)

147 Who does the FBI consider to be hostile foreign entities?
....
Posted by: Warai

That would be maga country...

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 04, 2023 03:47 PM (/hs1M)

148 132 Has there been a single mass shooter in the past 15 years that wasn't on the FBI's radar and still pulled off the shooting anyway. Nicholas Cruz, the kid who shot up Parkland HS in Florida was reported by several classmates to the local authorities AND the FBI a week before he killed 17 people.

I might be mistaken, but I thought the brothers that blew up the Boston Marathon were on the FBI's radar too.

Timothy McVeigh was definitely on the FBI's radar and he still blew up the Oklahoma City Federal building.

What the fuck do these guys do???
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 04, 2023 03:44 PM (9dBi

What if...none of these guys was actually on their radar and the FBI lied so they could say, "Yeah, we knew about that guy."

I mean, would you put it past them to think that's actually a better response?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 03:47 PM (KbCG3)

149 You know who else is fine with the FISA court being abused?

The FISA court.

And the Republican Party is fine with it too because they have made no move to shutter it or punish anyone.

We need a real opposition party. The problem is, if anyone opposes the corruption they either find themselves in jail, or the full force of the government is used to keep them from organizing like the IRS did to the Tea Party.

Posted by: Thatch at August 04, 2023 03:47 PM (Wq4Ld)

150 secret FISA court ~ Star Chamber

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 04, 2023 03:47 PM (YqDXo)

151 I loathe bank marketing. You're not my friend. You're not my ally. You're sure as shit not my family. You're my god damn banker. You put on your pinstripe suit and boring tie, you get in that back room, you make me money, and the only thing i want to know about you is that you are indeed making me money, and that your children probably hate you because you spend all day making me money.

Now shut your pasty hoagie hole and go make me money.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:43 PM (9UlRk)
++++
This is, more or less, how it went when I closed my accounts at Wells-Fargo. The teller called the bank manager over to talk to me (normal). The bank manager asked me why. I said, "because you will not stop pimping credit products at me. I said no every time. I asked the tellers to put a mark on my account saying that I'm not interested in credit products. When it kept happening, I told *you* that I wanted the constant credit marketing to stop. You agreed. Yet every time I come in here, you dress up credit products in a cute little outfit and try to get me to take them out for a roll in a hay. I'm tired of doing business with pimps. Close the accounts."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:47 PM (t0OGg)

152
I still drink Black Rifle every morning.

I know people who know people.

It's free for me.

Still waiting for the hot stock tip today from the Pelosi's.

Yes, I'm a consciousness monstrosity.

Posted by: Auspex at August 04, 2023 03:48 PM (j4U/Z)

153 Everyone who followed the whole sordid tale - from the planting of spies in the Trump campaign, to the Mueller Investigation, to the impeachments, to the final coup, to the post-Presidency persecutions - knows this was a sloppy op from the beginning.

Everyone was confident that Clinton would win, and when she picked up the phone, all of them scurried off to curry favor and do her bidding, scarcely bothering to cover their tracks in their haste to please the Queen.

But it didn't work, and Nunes and Rodgers dropped the dime to Trump, and then it was panic time... Sloppy coverups of sloppy ops, sloppy new ops to try and finish the job they failed to do in the first place, requiring yet more sloppy coverups and sloppy payoffs to sloppy operatives, sloppy election rigging, sloppy manufactured riots and sloppy ginned-up pandemic responses.

The entire thing was fucked-up, a protracted nightmare for our regime.

This is why I believe the next time someone mounts a credible challenge to the regime, whether it's Trump or someone else, that person will simply be shot. They can no longer pretend to be anything but a rogue state, and that is MUCH simpler than all... that.

Posted by: Thorsten Veblen at August 04, 2023 03:48 PM (0FoWg)

154 I think the FBI ran Timothy McVeigh and lost control of the operation.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at August 04, 2023 03:46 PM (2YtOq)

Yep. Now do Randy Weaver, David Koresch, and at this point, who the hell knows, maybe even Chuck Manson.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:48 PM (yWi/M)

155 I loathe bank marketing. You're not my friend. You're not my ally. You're sure as shit not my family. You're my god damn banker. You put on your pinstripe suit and boring tie, you get in that back room, you make me money, and the only thing i want to know about you is that you are indeed making me money, and that your children probably hate you because you spend all day making me money.
-------

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Brian Moynihan, CEO, Bank of America at August 04, 2023 03:49 PM (vNC/Y)

156 No 100 comment rule in Ace threads. The boss isn't concerned about it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at August 04, 2023 03:41 PM (xcxpd)
.........

Without rules there is only chaos.

Posted by: wth at August 04, 2023 03:49 PM (v0R5T)

157 Let's see if they try to bring charges ahainst Desantis next. This Rammaswamy fellow seems dodgy too...

Posted by: steevy at August 04, 2023 03:49 PM (FQmDC)

158 I'm not going to sit here and listen to you besmirch the reputation of those great American ham 'n eggers in the FBI!!! They are all above reproach!
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You, sir, are a great American!
/s/ Sean Vanity

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 04, 2023 03:50 PM (iS/bK)

159 Timothy McVeigh was executed 6 years after the bombing. Feds didn't waste time with him.

Posted by: mr tmz at August 04, 2023 03:51 PM (rJ48h)

160 I'm tired of doing business with pimps. Close the accounts."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:47 PM (t0OGg)

Citi bank actually opened a credit card line i didn't ask for, after sending me junk mail about it every single day for three years.

I'm sure i probably could have sued their pants off, i don't even know how they did that, but i just closed every single one of my accounts with them and never looked back. I was not polite about it either.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:51 PM (9UlRk)

161 Because I don't believe it's "the people" who are lost. I don't know what form any of this takes, but maybe it does start with people no longer believing in the electoral process, and then goes from there.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:46 PM (yWi/M)

Unfortunately, I think it will take a very destructive form.The problem is I'm very interested in having a functional society, but we already don't have a functional society.

Posted by: InZona at August 04, 2023 03:51 PM (ysLjK)

162 I think the FBI ran Timothy McVeigh and lost control of the operation.
Posted by: blake -

Agreed

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 04, 2023 03:51 PM (tQL7r)

163 OT-Young man who was arrested in WI for reading the Bible outside a Drag Queen event with kids speaks to City Council:

https://tinyurl.com/27ufsxpa

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 04, 2023 03:52 PM (Keyt1)

164 "Who investigates the criminal investigators and prosecutes the criminal prosecutors?

BTW, let's reward their serial, broad, deep, long-time, and treasonous crimes by voting to add additional billions to their budgets ..."

Posted by: ShainS -- We're Happy Ace's Geriatric Club ... at August 04, 2023 03:52 PM (NQL1u)

165 Yep. Now do Randy Weaver, David Koresch, and at this point, who the hell knows, maybe even Chuck Manson.
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Chuck was the CIA pumping him with LSD to get him to cause chaos

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 04, 2023 03:52 PM (iS/bK)

166 I'm very interested in having a functional society, but we already don't have a functional society.
Posted by: InZona at August 04, 2023 03:51 PM (ysLjK)

We do have a functioning society. It's just buried under a couple tens of thousands of perverts and criminals at the moment.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:53 PM (9UlRk)

167 Not warming up to Rammaswamy, getting a Spidey Sense from him.

I have said a few times they get DJT they will work down the ladder

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2023 03:54 PM (MOY79)

168 Prometheus was an FBI op.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 04, 2023 03:54 PM (xTRSc)

169 I'm sure i probably could have sued their pants off, i don't even know how they did that, but i just closed every single one of my accounts with them and never looked back. I was not polite about it either.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 04, 2023 03:51 PM (9UlRk)
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Closing out my accounts at Wells is one of the few times I was rude to someone I was doing business with. I have been hostile, but very rarely rude. Wells-Fargo had some rudeness coming.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:54 PM (t0OGg)

170 What if...none of these guys was actually on their radar and the FBI lied so they could say, "Yeah, we knew about that guy."

I mean, would you put it past them to think that's actually a better response?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 03:47 PM (KbCG3)

Possibly, but then it calls to mind 9/11, and what they knew about those guys before it happened. One could be supremely cynical and conclude, they knew about them, were more or less tracking their activities, but then they went and hijacked those planes anyway. And the Feebs had NO negative repercussions.

They might have learned a valuable lesson from that.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:54 PM (e6/Nr)

171 Maj Jihadi is still breathing

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2023 03:55 PM (MOY79)

172 25 The FBI lies, maybe it always has
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

As the Trust in our Institutions are stripped away, more and more people will start taking a second look at various conspiracy theories that have percolated over the decades. Once they dismissed them. Now? Well, those conspiracy theories start looking very plausible now. This will continue as I don't see any attempts to reform these Institutions. I take solace in the saying 'What can't go on forever, won't.'.

Posted by: Puddleglum at August 04, 2023 03:55 PM (sAmhv)

173 Off, whacky technocrat sock.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 04, 2023 03:55 PM (0FoWg)

174 Show me the man and I'll show you my nuts. Oh wait, I'll show you my nuts anyway.

Posted by: Christopher Wray at August 04, 2023 03:55 PM (sWM8x)

175 Stand by for a statement from Glitch McConnell:
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Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 04, 2023 03:56 PM (iS/bK)

176 Yep. Now do Randy Weaver, David Koresch, and at this point, who the hell knows, maybe even Chuck Manson.
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Chuck was the CIA pumping him with LSD to get him to cause chaos
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 04, 2023 03:52 PM (iS/bK)

I'm sure I've heard stories, but don't remember what/when/who.

Yeah, I recall there was something about his time in prison, and who might have gotten their hands on him.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:57 PM (e6/Nr)

177 Stand by for a statement from Glitch McConnell:
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Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 04, 2023 03:56 PM (iS/bK)

Uh
Uh
Aye.

Posted by: Diane Feinstein at August 04, 2023 03:57 PM (v0R5T)

178 @167

>>I have said a few times they get DJT they will work down the ladder

Well, the only one's we can trust 100pct is Trump and Rand Paul.

Trump because he's been through the fire and Rand Paul because they keep trying to kill him.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 04, 2023 03:57 PM (XV/Pl)

179 Its funny, they just laugh at us. Ok its not funny, but they just keep laughing at us. They are above the law, as it is written anyway. Otherwise they are the law.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 04, 2023 03:58 PM (8GBH4)

180 Notice how the FBI can't point to a single terror attack stopped by a FISA warrent?

Weird, right?

The law is so very vital but we won't point to a single case to prove it.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 04, 2023 03:58 PM (iS/bK)

181 The judges that approved those warrants should be impeached. They were either monumentality stupid or all in on the fraud.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 04, 2023 03:58 PM (JTwsP)

182 Always curious how the Farquharsons work into US matters.

Son Rory, reportedly a (former) boyfriend of one of O's daughters for several years, even staying at Martha's Vineyard for quite a long period during C19. Father Charles, Chief Executive of Insight Investment Management Limited, one of the largest global asset management companies in the world.

Surely, families just bumped into one another in the Virgin Islands or Seychelles.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemy at August 04, 2023 03:59 PM (GshMh)

183 And for those who've never looked into it, Flight 800 is another one of these ops.

It's entirely possible what brought the plane down was an inadvertent missile from a naval operation, but Team Clinton got involved, because they were running for reelection at the time. The Feebs and CIA first floated the "Iranian sabotage" narrative, then quickly reverted to "it just blowed up, cuz of faulty wires and stuff," and that worked.

Spoiler alert: It wasn't faulty wires.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 03:59 PM (e6/Nr)

184 GREAT POST ACE. Really good one. The FBI, DOJ, Dept. of Homeland Security -- for starters -- need to be disbanded. Everyone that works at these agencies, down to the janitors, need to be punished.

At a certain level, you can't blame these bad fed actors for doing what they keep doing. There is precisely ZERO consequence for breaking the law. In many cases, they get career advancement.

The fix is simple. Shatter these Fed beaurcracies. Fire everyone. Prosecute those you can. Pass new laws requiring minimum jail sentences for offenders, especially those that work in intelligence or law enforcement.

Posted by: RichardWindsor at August 04, 2023 04:00 PM (cPzyW)

185 Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 03:34 PM (t0OGg)

Shut your pie-hole, citizen. Time for a booster.

Posted by: Pfizer at August 04, 2023 04:00 PM (iG1Nf)

186 Hollywood may be out of ideas but at least they combined these two. Scooby Doo joins the DC Universe is Scoiby Doo and Krypto Too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZhhQoOKFhU&t=19s

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 04, 2023 04:00 PM (FVME7)

187 The allegations of "fake electors" seems to forget that the concept of "alternate electors" has been used before, often by Democrats. In fact, in the 1960 Presidential election, JFK had a slate of "alternate electors" sworn in for Hawaii. Ultimately, JFK won Hawaii and these "fake" alternate electors voted for him at the Electoral College.

House Republicans could decertify the 1960 election and reinstate Ike as President

Posted by: SMOD at August 04, 2023 04:00 PM (RHGPo)

188 Show me the man and I'll show you my nuts. Oh wait, I'll show you my nuts anyway.
Posted by: Christopher Wray at August 04, 2023 03:55 PM (sWM8x)
******
just so ya know...
Yesterday was Grab Some Nuts day.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 04, 2023 04:00 PM (NpAcC)

189 Shut your pie-hole, citizen. Time for a booster.
Posted by: Pfizer at August 04, 2023 04:00 PM (iG1Nf)
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LOL.

Blow me.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:01 PM (t0OGg)

190 Posted by: Brian Moynihan, CEO, Bank of America at August 04, 2023 03:49 PM (vNC/Y)
____________

I detest the Bank of ~~Italy~~ America. I had to close my mom's accounts there, and it took me an entire day. First, they said I had to bring the most recent statement, so I drove home and got it, although I showed them my power of attorney. Then they said they needed a letter from me, so I drove home, wrote the letter, and came back. Then they said the letter had to be notarized, so I drove to a notary and got it notarized. Then they spent an hour humping leg on why her CDs should be left with them. Then they were offering me all sorts of incentives to leave money invested with them.

Finally, I told them I was operating on the instructions of an estate attorney to move them into a trust account. It was nothing to do with me. Eventually, I managed to pry the money out of their greedy hands.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 04, 2023 04:01 PM (YqDXo)

191 Uh
Uh
Aye.
Posted by: Diane Feinstein

So, Senator Feinstein, you've turned your POA over to your 66 yo daughter. Who shall we say is voting for you in Congress?

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 04, 2023 04:01 PM (tQL7r)

192 This busty brunette in a bikini top and skirt once walked out of a blind date because it was with an FBI goon:
https://is.gd/DFlWOV

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:01 PM (t0OGg)

193 Let's see if they try to bring charges ahainst Desantis next. This Rammaswamy fellow seems dodgy too...

Posted by: steevy at August 04, 2023 03:49 PM (FQmDC)

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"Vivek was recently listed as a WEF Young Global Leader on their website!"

/Turns out they invited him, he declined -- rejecting their entire agenda -- and they still fraudulently and falsely posted his name and photo. He sued, and they apologized, removed his entry on the website, AND scored some monetary damages as well.

Posted by: ShainS -- We're Happy Ace's Geriatric Club ... at August 04, 2023 04:02 PM (NQL1u)

194 Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 04, 2023 03:56 PM (iS/bK)

Uh
Uh
Aye.
Posted by: Diane Feinstein at August 04, 2023 03:57 PM (v0R5T)

That's the amazing thing, at WORST Fetterman is the third most braindead imbecile in the Senate.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 04:03 PM (e6/Nr)

195 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:01 PM (t0OGg)

Push em up and push em together bra looks painful, but perhaps she only had to smile for the one shot for "Acid Cow" website.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 04, 2023 04:03 PM (Keyt1)

196 >> I think the FBI ran Timothy McVeigh and lost control of the operation.
Posted by: blake -

I think the FBI had an Operation and plugged in Timothy McVeigh.

Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:04 PM (5D0zJ)

197 Push em up and push em together bra looks painful

Her smile says she's in no pain at all!

Posted by: spindrift at August 04, 2023 04:05 PM (iG1Nf)

198 The judges that approved those warrants should be impeached. They were either monumentality stupid or all in on the fraud.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 04, 2023 03:58 PM (JTwsP)

The IG report laid it out. Rudy Contreras was friends with McCabe. Peterstroke and his equine paramour pitched the op to him at a dinner party arranged for that purpose. He signed off, and the rest is history.

Just a lack of candor on their parts, of course. They misled poor, hapless Rudy, but not on purpose. Just a whoopsie. Training modules all around!

Like I said in my poorly socked comment above - this was a sloppy op, cooked up by mentally unstable thugs in a big fat hurry to please Herself.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 04, 2023 04:05 PM (0FoWg)

199 Yes, an excellent post. thx

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemy at August 04, 2023 04:05 PM (GshMh)

200 >>This busty brunette in a bikini top and skirt once walked out of a blind date because it was with an FBI goon:
https://is.gd/DFlWOV

I think she has an ear infection.

And Huge...er, Tracts of Land.

Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:05 PM (5D0zJ)

201 This busty brunette in a bikini top and skirt once walked out of a blind date because it was with an FBI goon:
https://is.gd/DFlWOV
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:01 PM (t0OGg)

Seriously now, sweetheart, return the softballs to the athletic department storage closet. The "girls" team needs them for practice.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 04:05 PM (e6/Nr)

202 192 This busty brunette in a bikini top and skirt once walked out of a blind date because it was with an FBI goon:
https://is.gd/DFlWOV
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:01 PM (t0OGg)

Too much jewelry!

2/10.

Would not bang without protection against cuts and scrapes.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 04, 2023 04:05 PM (mE7cY)

203

It's the Kent County Youth Fair south of Lowell this week, if you despair of the United States, visit this. 4-H horse, cow, chicken, swine, family farms in (gasp) exhibit competition with each other.

When God blessed America it was these people HE was thinking about.

Posted by: Auspex at August 04, 2023 04:05 PM (j4U/Z)

204 "Push em up and push em together bra looks painful"

I'd like to relieve her pain.

Posted by: fd at August 04, 2023 04:05 PM (iayUP)

205 Without FISA courts we wouldn't have the power of Double Secret Probation, and the terrorists would win.

Posted by: Christopher Wray at August 04, 2023 04:06 PM (sWM8x)

206 I'd like to relieve her pain.
Posted by: fd at August 04, 2023 04:05 PM (iayUP)

Careful of the elastic returning to shape. Could put out an eye.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 04, 2023 04:06 PM (mE7cY)

207 How can those damn Republicans be so greedy, hateful, and stupid?

Three out of four Republicans correctly say that the economy is more important than "climate change" or whatever

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 04, 2023 04:06 PM (FVME7)

208 The fix is simple. SHATTER THESE FED BUREAUCRACIES. Fire everyone. Prosecute those you can. Pass new laws requiring minimum jail sentences for offenders, especially those that work in intelligence or law enforcement.
Posted by: RichardWindsor

Umm, they assassinated the last guy who said something like that. On national tv, live. For the whole country to see.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 04, 2023 04:07 PM (tQL7r)

209 ... Peterstroke and his equine paramour pitched the op to him at a dinner party arranged for that purpose. He signed off, and the rest is history. ...
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 04, 2023 04:05 PM (0FoWg)
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Cruel.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:07 PM (t0OGg)

210 If the Democrats can "run" DiFi via the hand wave 'everything is all right' then the GOP can run the turtle the same way.

Fuck 'em.... them's the rules assholes.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 04, 2023 04:07 PM (Q4IgG)

211 Let's not be hasty here.

This is the same FBI that saved Governor Gretchen Whitmer from an FBI plot.

Their record is pretty stacked with wins JUST like that.

Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:08 PM (5D0zJ)

212 211 Let's not be hasty here.

This is the same FBI that saved Governor Gretchen Whitmer from an FBI plot.

Their record is pretty stacked with wins JUST like that.
Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:08 PM (5D0zJ)

Like arsonist firemen.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 04, 2023 04:08 PM (mE7cY)

213 The FIB needs to go. If a FIB agent ever asks you what time it is, don't reply. If you're one minute past the actual time they will jail you for lying to a FIB agent.

Posted by: Minnfidel at August 04, 2023 04:08 PM (GwxCX)

214 Let's not be hasty here.

This is the same FBI that saved Governor Gretchen Whitmer from an FBI plot.

Their record is pretty stacked with wins JUST like that.
Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:08 PM (5D0zJ)
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This is true. The FBI is very good at setting op ops in order to "bust" them when they need a headline.

Except, of course, for when they lose control and the mark shoots up a nightclub or a sidewalk.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:09 PM (t0OGg)

215 There is little point to the FBI

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 04, 2023 04:09 PM (mE7cY)

216 Outrage!!!
Our sick burn tweets on this will be legendary.
- GOP

Posted by: Montec at August 04, 2023 04:09 PM (VFIxi)

217 192 This busty brunette in a bikini top and skirt once walked out of a blind date because it was with an FBI goon:
https://is.gd/DFlWOV
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:01 PM (t0OGg)

=======

Covered in gold and would sink in the case of a boating incident.

1/10

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, contemplating utopia with Peter Weir at August 04, 2023 04:10 PM (LvTSG)

218 I would never invite an FBI agent.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 04, 2023 04:10 PM (8BLHA)

219 >>This is true. The FBI is very good at setting op ops in order to "bust" them when they need a headline.

>Except, of course, for when they lose control and the mark shoots up a nightclub or a sidewalk.

Can't make an *REDACTED* without breaking a few *REDACTED*.

Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:10 PM (5D0zJ)

220 To a block party.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 04, 2023 04:10 PM (8BLHA)

221 Can't make an *REDACTED* without breaking a few *REDACTED*.
Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:10 PM (5D0zJ)
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Uh-oh. The article implies that the first *REDACTED* is a word that begins with a vowel.

Report for retraining, Agent Garrett. You need a lesson in proper obfuscation! Sources and methods could leak due to your sloppiness!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:12 PM (t0OGg)

222 I would invite the FBI to a block party. And then I'd release the rape dogs on them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 04, 2023 04:12 PM (0FoWg)

223 Finally, I told them I was operating on the instructions of an estate attorney to move them into a trust account. It was nothing to do with me. Eventually, I managed to pry the money out of their greedy hands.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 04, 2023 04:01 PM (YqDXo)

Maybe this is too personal, but my late first wife had a CC with BOA that I didn't know about. The bill was going to her mother's house. In the grand scheme of things, it wasn't THAT much, but it was more than I was prepared to handle at the time.

Did you know you DON'T have to pay your spouse's debts when they die? I didn't. But BOA kept trying to send notices to the "Executor of her estate." Well, she didn't have an executor, turns out that's a thing. I guess most people just pay the debt, because they think they have to.

You don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 04:13 PM (Qd8NY)

224 211 Let's not be hasty here.

This is the same FBI that saved Governor Gretchen Whitmer from an FBI plot.

Their record is pretty stacked with wins JUST like that.
Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:08 PM (5D0zJ)

Well, she did go unkidnapped, didn't she?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 04:13 PM (KbCG3)

225 Sources = sources of graft, influence peddling, insider stock trading tips, etc.

Methods = methods of illegal surveillance and censorship, covering up their corruption and crimes, etc.

So, yeah, they're not lying about protecting "sources and methods."

Posted by: Bamanarama at August 04, 2023 04:13 PM (uH1aC)

226 The FBI is spending TWO BILLION DOLLARS on a new complex in Huntsville, AL and nobody knows what it's for. But they still need a new headquarters building in DC.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 04, 2023 04:13 PM (sWM8x)

227 What the fuck do these guys do???

Harass, intimidate and incarcerate the non-compliant.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 04, 2023 04:13 PM (Xrfse)

228 “I'd release the rape dogs on them.”

Better not invite us, to the party then.
- local cops

Posted by: Montec at August 04, 2023 04:14 PM (VFIxi)

229 The FBI is spending TWO BILLION DOLLARS on a new complex in Huntsville, AL and nobody knows what it's for.

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Sucking dick.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 04, 2023 04:14 PM (0FoWg)

230 The FBI is spending TWO BILLION DOLLARS on a new complex in Huntsville, AL and nobody knows what it's for. But they still need a new headquarters building in DC.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 04, 2023 04:13 PM (sWM8x)
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The need secret prisons, rape rooms and datacenters to facilitate their spying on Americans. Maybe it's a one-stop ops shop.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:15 PM (t0OGg)

231 222 I would invite the FBI to a block party. And then I'd release the rape dogs on them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 04, 2023 04:12 PM (0FoWg)

I still remember a video of an FBI agent dancing at a wedding. He tried to do some type of handstand or something and his gun fell out of his pants and went off when it hit the ground. Ended up shooting someone in the leg and right after, dude just throws up his hands saying, "Ah, didn't mean it, sorry."

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 04:15 PM (KbCG3)

232 All FBI agents should live and die entirely friendless.

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 04, 2023 04:15 PM (8BLHA)

233 Umm, they assassinated the last guy who said something like that. On national tv, live. For the whole country to see.
Posted by: Prime Sister at August

They were still watching Efram Zembalist make heroes of them.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 04, 2023 04:15 PM (lCWOD)

234 "For my friends, everything; for my enemies, The Law."

- Oscar R. Benavides

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 04, 2023 04:15 PM (4enNW)

235 Their record is pretty stacked with wins JUST like that.
Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:08 PM (5D0zJ)
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This is true. The FBI is very good at setting op ops in order to "bust" them when they need a headline.

Except, of course, for when they lose control and the mark shoots up a nightclub or a sidewalk.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:09 PM (t0OGg)

Totally unrelated of course, let's give a hand to our fedcops of all types, who managed to keep the J6 insurrection from succeeding. Who were totally NOT in the crowd, driving people to enter the building.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 04:16 PM (Qd8NY)

236
Does anyone have authority over the FISA court? Like, can anyone take a gander at their decisions and impeach them for jurisprudential failure? I just made up that word jurisprudential but maybe it exists -- those people like lots of syllables.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 04, 2023 04:16 PM (lCaJd)

237 A massive riot is currently underway at Union Square Park in Manhattan, New York City.

A large gathering of teens and young adults are reportedly attacking NYPD officers and damaging property; reports of multiple injuries.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 04, 2023 04:16 PM (2tUFv)

238 Does anyone have authority over the FISA court?

Me.

Posted by: John Roberts, Useless Sh*t! at August 04, 2023 04:17 PM (2tUFv)

239 I still remember a video of an FBI agent dancing at a wedding. He tried to do some type of handstand or something and his gun fell out of his pants and went off when it hit the ground. Ended up shooting someone in the leg and right after, dude just throws up his hands saying, "Ah, didn't mean it, sorry."
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 04, 2023 04:15 PM (KbCG3)

Not a wedding, if it's the same one I remember. Special Agent in the Denver field office, drunk at a bar. Just a Top Man and a boy scout who can't stand what's happening up on the seventh floor. He's probably throwing up his ham and eggs while he reads this post, I bet.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 04, 2023 04:17 PM (0FoWg)

240 >>A large gathering of teens and young adults are reportedly attacking NYPD officers and damaging property; reports of multiple injuries.

Deploy The Rooftop Koreans

Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:17 PM (5D0zJ)

241 237 A massive riot is currently underway at Union Square Park in Manhattan, New York City.

A large gathering of teens and young adults are reportedly attacking NYPD officers and damaging property; reports of multiple injuries.

oh great these events aren't just in Philly anymore

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2023 04:17 PM (AcWfM)

242 A massive riot is currently underway at Union Square Park in Manhattan, New York City.

A large gathering of teens and young adults are reportedly attacking NYPD officers and damaging property; reports of multiple injuries.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 04, 2023 04:16 PM (2tUFv)
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Just don't call them a mob.

They hate that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 04, 2023 04:18 PM (t0OGg)

243 Did the super secret 6 other indictments ever get let out or are they still hidden?

Posted by: Skip at August 04, 2023 04:18 PM (MOY79)

244 Umm, they assassinated the last guy who said something like that. On national tv, live. For the whole country to see.
Posted by: Prime Sister at August 04, 2023 04:07 PM (tQL7r)

You mean the guy whose son is running for President right now, and they won't give him SS protection?

Or the guy whose nephew is running for President?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 04:18 PM (Qd8NY)

245 >>A large gathering of teens and young adults are reportedly attacking NYPD officers and damaging property; reports of multiple injuries.

Roll in the MRAP and throw on some SLAYER.

They'll move along.

Posted by: garrett at August 04, 2023 04:19 PM (5D0zJ)

246 A large gathering of teens and young adults are reportedly attacking NYPD officers and damaging property; reports of multiple injuries.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 04, 2023 04:16 PM (2tUFv)

Damn those Proud Boys.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 04:20 PM (Qd8NY)

247
Add VOYA to the hate list.

"One of America's Most Ethical Companies" has taken over a month to slow-walk my wife's retirement funds to the door.

Posted by: Auspex at August 04, 2023 04:20 PM (j4U/Z)

248 All FBI agents should live and die entirely friendless from injuries incurred by the frenzied rutting of methed-up rape dogs.
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 04, 2023 04:15 PM (8BLHA)

FIFY.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 04, 2023 04:20 PM (0FoWg)

249 I thought it was getting awfully quiet here.

New post up.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 04, 2023 04:21 PM (Qd8NY)

250 A large gathering of teens and young adults

Lol. The new phrasing didn't take long to disseminate.

Posted by: spindrift at August 04, 2023 04:22 PM (iG1Nf)

251 "A large gathering of teens and young adults"

Lol. The new phrasing didn't take long to disseminate.
Posted by: spindrift at August 04, 2023 04:22 PM (iG1Nf)

"A mob of thugs" is more precise. But yeah, next they'll soon equate a youth prayer group with the mobs. Easy peasy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at August 04, 2023 04:26 PM (xPJvm)

252 237 A massive riot is currently underway at Union Square Park in Manhattan, New York City.

A large gathering of teens and young adults are reportedly attacking NYPD officers and damaging property; reports of multiple injuries.
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A diversity fest, perchance?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at August 04, 2023 04:27 PM (YqDXo)

253 A massive riot is currently underway at Union Square Park in Manhattan, New York City.

A large gathering of teens and young adults are reportedly attacking NYPD officers and damaging property; reports of multiple injuries.

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Don't call them a mob!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 04, 2023 04:38 PM (FVME7)

254
FBI Director Christopher Wray recently told Congress he has instituted a number of reforms in response to the FISA surveillance abuses

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What were the reforms? Do not lie to the American people? Do not commit treason? Do not show up for work 30 minutes a week and assign your tasks to a vbscript that adds a watermark saying APPROVED to every document in your Inbox?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 04, 2023 04:40 PM (lCaJd)

255 The mob of yoots won't get arrested. It's not like they're praying or anything.

Posted by: Minnfidel at August 04, 2023 04:45 PM (GwxCX)

256 Do not show up for work 30 minutes a week and assign your tasks to a vbscript that adds a watermark saying APPROVED to every document in your Inbox?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 04, 2023 04:40 PM

Hey, don't tread on my territory man.

Posted by: Minnfidel at August 04, 2023 04:46 PM (GwxCX)

257 A massive riot is currently underway at Union Square Park in Manhattan, New York City.

A large gathering of teens and young adults are reportedly attacking NYPD officers and damaging property; reports of multiple injuries.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 04, 2023 04:16 PM (2tUFv)

Oh my.

Anyway.......

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 04, 2023 04:47 PM (BdMk6)

258 No, it is just that American Leftists are more perverted than the rest of the world. Apparently, the Leftist women are especially slutty.

Posted by: william ferrin at August 04, 2023 04:56 PM (kBP6r)

259 Instead of just "committing a fraud on the.FISA Court" (as of the Court cares), why not go all Jack Smith and charge the FBI with a "fraud upon the United States".

Posted by: JM in Florida -- now in IllinoisI at August 04, 2023 06:07 PM (ADvgr)

260 Pish posh. The source is us. Our method is lying.
We were in fact protecting sources and methods.

Posted by: Danda The Assbeater at August 04, 2023 06:12 PM (lcQJG)

261 Hang all those responsible for the FBI's endless lies. Those not directly responsible but who knew should be given long prison terms, the same way the get away driver for bank robbers may not have entered the bank but is guilty none the less.

Posted by: Jane at August 04, 2023 06:13 PM (EcD5Y)

262 How is it that all of these "tough guy" in your face law enforcement types who are supposed to demonstrate courage and competence, ALWAYS sound so prissy?

I can put on panties, and watch gay porn and still sound like a fucking Marine, because it ain't the panties and porn, that makes me a Marine, (it most definitely does not, it's kinda the opposite) It's being a Marine that makes me a Marine.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 04, 2023 07:08 PM (gbDsv)

263 At my last job. I worked on the opposite side of the shop as everyone else, and it's easy to lose track of when it's break time since there is only 8 of us, and there is no alert for break time. When breaks would come up, I would do a Marine Bark. "YUT!" and then hold my hands up and demonstrate a crack, meaning break.

A coworker asked me, what the "yut" was I explained, "I'ts just a way to get attention so that you pay attention." He asked, "why can't you just tell me?" I said, "FORWARD!" in my drill voice." The fucking OFFICE WORKERS looked at me, and then I said, "That's why."

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 04, 2023 07:12 PM (gbDsv)

264 I really loved calling drill when I was in. I remember one time, I called drill. I'm a tall skinny guy, I started to call drill and my company 1st sgt back in 29, came out on the upper deck. "HALT" he said sounding like a bitch, "Who is that?" "First Sgt . . and then I said my rank and name." He looked and my PLT CMD "no shit? Go ahead PFC" I was a PFC at the time, even though I had been a Corporal before. When I put on my "Drill Voice" I bounch the fucking deck, it's what Marines do.

Did I mention that I was a Marine once?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 04, 2023 07:35 PM (gbDsv)

265 not in 29, in TWO NINE different things. I never served in '29. I served in TWO NINE as in 29 palms.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 04, 2023 07:36 PM (gbDsv)

266 I don't know about redacting, but it seems awfully close to "classifying" information, and it's ILLEGAL to classify information for the purposes of hiding it from the law or to prevent embarrassment.

I would love to see a federal prosecutor somewhere decide to go big and make his name by prosecuting these folks for doing exactly that.

Posted by: GWB at August 04, 2023 09:01 PM (XfCzJ)

267 YEAHP

Posted by: Wickedpinto at August 04, 2023 09:15 PM (gbDsv)

268 During the wiretapping of Carter Page were any communications with Donald Trump intercepted?

Posted by: Goatweed at August 04, 2023 09:23 PM (0Q/6W)

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