Americans' Confidence In Higher Education Has Collapsed

Beginning with the Moral Panic of 2015-2016, woke leftists have transformed every single institution -- even the ones they didn't have majority control over -- into very stupid, very dishonest propaganda organizations for the left wing of the Democrat Party (which is really just "the Democrat Party" now, as it's all left wing).

They have destroyed every single institution, including corporation, including the military, diverting them from their actual missions and perverting them to become psyops disinformation groups.

Americans are finally waking up and realizing this.

These aren't your daddy's institutions any more.

Gallup:

Americans' Confidence in Higher Education Down Sharply

* 36% have "a great deal" or "quite a lot" of confidence in higher education
* Confidence down from 48% in 2018 and 57% in 2015
* All major subgroups less confident, with Republicans dropping the most
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans' confidence in higher education has fallen to 36%, sharply lower than in two prior readings in 2015 (57%) and 2018 (48%). In addition to the 17% of U.S. adults who have "a great deal" and 19% "quite a lot" of confidence, 40% have "some" and 22% "very little" confidence.
The latest decline in the public's trust in higher education is from a June 1-22 Gallup poll that also found confidence in 16 other institutions has been waning in recent years. Many of these entities, which are tracked more often than higher education, are now also at or near their lowest points in confidence. Although diminished, higher education ranks fourth in confidence among the 17 institutions measured, with small business, the military and the police in the top three spots.

Small business -- not major corporations.

In 2015, majorities of Americans in all key subgroups expressed confidence in higher education, with one exception -- independents (48%). By 2018, though, confidence had fallen across all groups, with the largest drop, 17 percentage points, among Republicans. In the latest measure, confidence once again fell across the board, but Republicans' sank the most -- 20 points to 19%, the lowest of any group. Confidence among adults without a college degree and those aged 55 and older dropped nearly as much as Republicans' since 2018.
Even though all subgroups show declining confidence in higher education, significant gaps persist among political, educational, gender and age subgroups. Notably, the only key subgroup with majority-level confidence in higher education is Democrats (59%).

Every institution has taken its reserves of trust -- built up painstakingly over decades, sometimes centuries -- and closed their accounts in 2015-2016 to take their all of their professional regard and social capital to spend it all madly on Getting Trump and Teaching the Lower Orders Who Runs Bartertown.

And now it's all gone. All of it. Every last drop of it.

They have pissed away their respect and prestige on short-term political goals, which no sane person would do. But in 2015-2016, almost the entire (so-called) professional class had a mental breakdown, which went unnoticed because they all suffered it, including their psychiatrists. They all collectively decided that going mad was the only sane response to... the country electing a man they didn't vote for.

So they killed every institution, flayed the skin off them, put on that skin as a skin-suit, and went around demanding the respect that the institutions they destroyed formerly commanded.

And now we see Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper having spastic meltdown every single night demanding to know, "Why doesn't the public believe us any more? What's wrong with them?"

Posted by: Ace at 05:10 PM

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1 SPONGE!

Posted by: Ace's unappointed Fact Checker at July 11, 2023 05:11 PM (53oGX)

2 damn sock....

Posted by: Inogame at July 11, 2023 05:11 PM (53oGX)

3 Too uneducated to count to 1st.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:11 PM (ppBhU)

4 Or prolapsed.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2023 05:11 PM (PYoBO)

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 11, 2023 05:12 PM (2tUFv)

6 I saw Biden did not attend a NATO Dinner and Gay Boy Blinken had to go. That must have been a big Weight Training session for Biden to be that tired. What STUD and when I grow up I want to be a Manly man like my President....... Joe " The Rock" Biden !!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at July 11, 2023 05:12 PM (y9QBQ)

7 Trust is earned.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at July 11, 2023 05:13 PM (goJt/)

8 It's a bubble that was inflated by government money by decades.

The pop was bound to happen, and public confidence cratering regarding it seems to be a sign of the bubble popping.

I'm really looking forward to committee hearings at the state level as freaks from the gender studies departments wax ~~poetically~~ incoherently about how they need state funds to survive but the mechanical engineering departments should just wither and die.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 11, 2023 05:13 PM (LvTSG)

9 8 And easily lost.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2023 05:13 PM (PYoBO)

10 My middle son will be in his second year in college. He was lucky enough to get a school that isn't woke and isn't asking about pronouns.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 05:13 PM (bkUtD)

11 Before having kids I never imagined myself actively encouraging them NOT to attend university. Now.... well here we are.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at July 11, 2023 05:13 PM (PuERQ)

12 Higher ed is slanted...

Posted by: Inogame at July 11, 2023 05:14 PM (53oGX)

13 The president of the college I went to sent out an e-mail to alumni explaining how terrible it was that the Supreme Court banned racial discrimination, and noted that the college had joined in an amicus brief supporting Harvard.

I wish that I gave them money, so I could stop.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 11, 2023 05:14 PM (2tUFv)

14 Fapper and Pooper to have to start servicing glory holes any day now...

Posted by: XTC at July 11, 2023 05:14 PM (UnA8+)

15 You mean my $200,000 BS Degree in Hamster Reproductive Habits Degree from Gay Pride University in San Fran is worthless. I mean come on........... My minimum wage cashier job at Target may be in danger???

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at July 11, 2023 05:14 PM (y9QBQ)

16 Leave CNN alone!!!

Posted by: The "Leave Britney Alone!" guy at July 11, 2023 05:14 PM (ssESX)

17 They were slowly taking over but still had credibility. It still amazes me how effective just lying your ass off is for the Dems.

Posted by: Iris at July 11, 2023 05:15 PM (NaH5I)

18 ...what's wrong with them?"
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I'll ask the questions from now on.
-more and more Americans

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 11, 2023 05:15 PM (RIvkX)

19 8 It's a bubble that was inflated by government money by decades.

The pop was bound to happen, and public confidence cratering regarding it seems to be a sign of the bubble popping.

I'm really looking forward to committee hearings at the state level as freaks from the gender studies departments wax poetically incoherently about how they need state funds to survive but the mechanical engineering departments should just wither and die.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 11, 2023 05:13 PM (LvTSG)

Interestingly this is a bubble that exists in assets that are largely not in public markets. Wonder how that ends up playing out.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 05:15 PM (eYoxG)

20 Completely related, from Vox Day today:

Why Nothing Works Anymore

https://is.gd/RNKoij

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at July 11, 2023 05:15 PM (kjOVp)

21 What makes me saddest is watching black families absolutely CERTAIN that their kid has to go to college to have a hope of the future. That's their highest goal, for their kids to go to college. When its probably their worst option.

Send young Jamal to a crab fishing boat or trade school, apprentice them somewhere. Save hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:15 PM (0hOvj)

22 My stepson was an engineering major at the local state university.

Engineering courses were more expensive than the normal courses at the university, because the engineering courses were actually useful.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 11, 2023 05:15 PM (2tUFv)

23 IT'S THE ITALICANS!

Posted by: m at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM (LdYi7)

24 19 Interestingly this is a bubble that exists in assets that are largely not in public markets. Wonder how that ends up playing out.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 05:15 PM (eYoxG)

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Empty buildings. It might be a real estate bubble as much as anything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM (LvTSG)

25 15 Well, if your Target job is in San Fran, yes. Just take pallets out the door of stuff as severance.

Posted by: Bete at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM (PYoBO)

26 >>> Americans' confidence in higher education has fallen to 36%,

Still higher than congress, but they're working on it!

Posted by: DJ at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM (uosPt)

27 I won't comment on the Italican invasion.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM (aD39U)

28 "Wrap Foil Around Doorknobs When Alone, Here's Why"

"One Meat You Should Never Feed Your Dog"

Bear meat. Once the hounds get a taste for it, they become ravenous monsters, always hungering for the flesh of the bear. Or sentient beings, if they cannot feast upon bear. The foil is to keep your doorknobs from smelling like bear meat if you forget and feed your dogs bear meat. That way the canids won't be able to track you via the doorknobs.

The targeted ads are really spot on and speak to my concerns.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM (ppBhU)

29 "* Confidence down from 48% in 2018 and 57% in 2015"

I umm..huh?

Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM (iziT8)

30 Yes, those Americans have a keen eye for the obvious.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM (pohLc)

31 College stopped being about education and became adult daycare run by Marxists.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (xcxpd)

32 My good friend has been taking his son for tours of Texas campuses. Embarrassingly I didn’t know of some of these Texas colleges or at least their scholastic ranking. Like Trinity College in San Antonio. The kid will probably choose Rice.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (MNhXM)

33
majorities of Americans in all key subgroups expressed confidence in higher education, with one exception -- independents (48%).

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Tangential, but wtf is with these "independents"? Who refrains from forming political opinions these days and why?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (AxmOr)

34
Lucky for us, the Italicans aren't competent enough to properly follow through on their blog invasion, so the military isn't necessary. Besides, if we fought them with conventional weapons, that might take years, and cost millions of lives....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (n+4am)

35 27 I won't comment on the Italican invasion.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM (aD39U)

They've been set aright.

Posted by: m at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (LdYi7)

36 I just saw the last post about Diseaseworld attendance dropping.

Just wanted to let fellow morons know that they don't have to shy away from Orlando on that big family trip.

There are alternatives. Universal Studios is a much better value and it's where all the FL natives have been going for over a decade.

Posted by: pawn at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (wsHtO)

37 24 19 Interestingly this is a bubble that exists in assets that are largely not in public markets. Wonder how that ends up playing out.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 05:15 PM (eYoxG)

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Empty buildings. It might be a real estate bubble as much as anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM (LvTSG)

Of all the real estate investment categories, I don't think I've heard much about college related stuff. Student housing, which is pretty much just apartments, yes. But maybe the colleges own most of their campuses directly?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (eYoxG)

38 Viva Italia!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (krqg6)

39 >>>College stopped being about education and became adult daycare run by Marxists.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water

Made worse when the government took over student loans.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (bkUtD)

40 LEAVE JAKE TAPPER ALONE!

Posted by: Brian Stelter at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (PiwSw)

41 I used to make a point to my alma mater of corresponding with them to tell them why they get no money.

I stopped bothering after the president attended a costume party dressed as a Nazi.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (RIvkX)

42 Where is Sponge, anyway?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (xTRSc)

43 Hurrah! It's all about Cultural Marxism

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2023 05:18 PM (xhxe8)

44 College stopped being about education and became adult daycare run by Marxists.

And Plato's Retreat for the students

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:18 PM (0hOvj)

45 And now we see Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper having spastic meltdown every single night demanding to know, "Why doesn't the public believe us any more? What's wrong with them?"

You.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 11, 2023 05:18 PM (eOEVl)

46 KELO. Bitches.

Take their Land. Use it for ANYTHING else.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2023 05:18 PM (EPupa)

47 I talk to a lot of young people. I am amazed at how uneducated they are. They have no idea how to perform a lot of simple tasks and please don't ask them to solve any math problems. Higher education has become a swamp of marxist ideologues teaching marxist and communist propaganda to their students. Add in the trans, gay and pedo crew and you have a perfect storm of dumb kids and young adults.

Posted by: FrankinTexas...fed up to here at July 11, 2023 05:18 PM (VcHM+)

48 36 I just saw the last post about Diseaseworld attendance dropping.

Just wanted to let fellow morons know that they don't have to shy away from Orlando on that big family trip.

There are alternatives. Universal Studios is a much better value and it's where all the FL natives have been going for over a decade.
Posted by: pawn at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (wsHtO)

Since I have family in Florida, that has been our visit of choice when its our turn to visit (every few years)...Universal is fun...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 11, 2023 05:18 PM (exHjb)

49 I donate regularly to my grad school even though they offend, they let me go there practically free.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (RIvkX)

50 Only the left could screw up college.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (ZLI7S)

51 The targeted ads are really spot on and speak to my concerns.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:16 PM

Mine is fungus and cremation.

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (xdNDi)

52 41 Prince Harry was President of your alma mater?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (xTRSc)

53 Have you watched some of these YouTube videos interviewing kids on college campuses asking them simple civics, geography and history questions? Idiocracy is here.

Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (VP9ao)

54 I talk to a lot of young people. I am amazed at how uneducated they are. They have no idea how to perform a lot of simple tasks and please don't ask them to solve any math problems. Higher education has become a swamp of marxist ideologues teaching marxist and communist propaganda to their students. Add in the trans, gay and pedo crew and you have a perfect storm of dumb kids and young adults.
Posted by: FrankinTexas...fed up to here at July 11, 2023 05:18 PM (VcHM+)

If you can't change a tire, shave the beard hippie

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (NtVYv)

55 6 I saw Biden did not attend a NATO Dinner and Gay Boy Blinken had to go. That must have been a big Weight Training session for Biden to be that tired. What STUD and when I grow up I want to be a Manly man like my President....... Joe " The Rock" Biden !!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at July 11, 2023 05:12 PM (y9QBQ)

"F^ck those European faggots. I got better things to do than pretend to like them for another three hours today!"

Posted by: Stronk like bull and tireless Joe Biden at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (AMIL/)

56 Every institution has taken its reserves of trust -- built up painstakingly over decades, sometimes centuries -- and closed their accounts in 2015-2016 to take their all of their professional regard and social capital to spend it all madly on Getting Trump and Teaching the Lower Orders Who Runs Bartertown.

Even churches. I'm having a hard time thinking of a single institution in America that has not utterly demolished their goodwill and trust. Is there one left?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (0hOvj)

57 I think the medical community has lost much more trust than higher education has.

I wouldn't trust me. And it sucks to say that.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (9w3M/)

58 If you can't change a tire, shave the beard hippie
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (NtVYv)

And get off my lawn

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (NtVYv)

59 Maybe the only good thing that came from Covid was everyone re-examining education and becoming thoroughly disgusted with it.

The private schools in my area are slammed and have long waiting list to get in. I have never seen that in my life.

Posted by: Equate at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (aZj0n)

60 Well, at least our flaming rainbow military rules.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (FVME7)

61 I talk to a lot of young people. I am amazed at how uneducated they are.

They also don't read as near as I can tell. If it's not on a podcast or Tik Tok, they don't know anything about it.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (ppBhU)

62 Posted by: Ferd Berfall at July 11, 2023 05:14 PM (y9QBQ

Although I'm guessing your were connecting the idea o Hamsters with a weird sexual fetish of gay people (?) ? animal studies doesn't sound like a bad major. I know someone who wants to be a zookeeper. That sounds like a better major than a lot of other DEI ones.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (Keyt1)

63 I'm registered as an independent. Unaffiliated is what we call it here in NC. So is my husband. And son. Professionally, it's better to be unaffiliated. Because we like being employed. And having money. And a house. And food.

Posted by: NCKate at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (an6os)

64 Take their Land. Use it for ANYTHING else.

Or, in the case of New London, nothing at all

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (0hOvj)

65 Second look at Technical School?

Or fifth look?

Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (iziT8)

66 I also didn’t realize the difference was so great for tuition between in state and out of state for State Universities.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (MNhXM)

67 Will this translate into fewer people going to college though?

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (KK6O+)

68 >>I talk to a lot of young people. I am amazed at how uneducated they are.

Most are barely functioning retards.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (EPupa)

69 hiya

Posted by: JT at July 11, 2023 05:21 PM (T4tVD)

70 And a fond farewell to Lamont, that big dummy

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 11, 2023 05:21 PM (xcxpd)

71 Look at earlier post Briwn gett6up to 40% Trannies

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2023 05:21 PM (xhxe8)

72 Back when Mizzou went berserk that I first heard business people say "No way am I letting that cancer into my company."

Posted by: Regular joe at July 11, 2023 05:21 PM (nnp+f)

73 Most are barely functioning retards.
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (EPupa)

haha, nice hash

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:21 PM (NtVYv)

74 63 I'm registered as an independent. Unaffiliated is what we call it here in NC. So is my husband. And son. Professionally, it's better to be unaffiliated. Because we like being employed. And having money. And a house. And food.
Posted by: NCKate at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (an6os)

Usually polls ask for who you id with rather than checking registration I believe.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 05:21 PM (eYoxG)

75 It's all brainwashing

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2023 05:21 PM (xhxe8)

76 as far as I can tell Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper's main stock in trade is spastic meltdowns

Posted by: Kindltot at July 11, 2023 05:22 PM (xhaym)

77 Young people today can't find their asses with both hands, but boy can they operate a cell phone.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 11, 2023 05:22 PM (pohLc)

78 And this is why colleges should be on the hook for student loans.

As should the "follow your passion" crowd. The only passion which puts food on the table is pron and prostitution.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at July 11, 2023 05:22 PM (2YtOq)

79 >>Or, in the case of New London, nothing at all

Still. An improvement over 90% of what is going on on your random College Campus.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2023 05:22 PM (EPupa)

80 67 Will this translate into fewer people going to college though?
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (KK6O+)

College enrollment has been declining for some time.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 05:22 PM (eYoxG)

81 And a fond farewell to Lamont, that big dummy
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 11, 2023 05:21 PM (xcxpd)

Oh, he'll be back someday

Posted by: The Ghost of Fred G Sanford at July 11, 2023 05:22 PM (NtVYv)

82 My second daughter will graduate HS with at least 15 college credit hours. Even she isn't sure college is worth it.

Sadly, some education can't be obtained easily outside of college. Thank God for College of the Ozarks and other schools that aren't trash. My daughter majoring in math kinda has to go to one.

Posted by: Catherine at July 11, 2023 05:22 PM (ZSsrh)

83 I think it was Glen Reynolds who noted that a college education is they only major expense where most people actively try to get less value for their money.

Posted by: pawn at July 11, 2023 05:22 PM (wsHtO)

84 Posted by: Ace's unappointed Fact Checker at July 11, 2023 05:11 PM (53oGX)

I read "Fart Checker."

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at July 11, 2023 05:22 PM (Mzdiz)

85 College stopped being about education and became adult daycare run by Marxists.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water

Made worse when the government took over student loans.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (bkUtD)

#Truth

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 11, 2023 05:23 PM (xcxpd)

86 They also don't read as near as I can tell. If it's not on a podcast or Tik Tok, they don't know anything about it.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (ppBhU)

Instead of secret code, all you need to do is write in cursive.

Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 05:23 PM (VP9ao)

87
KELO. Bitches.

Take their Land. Use it for ANYTHING else.
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2023 05:18 PM (EPupa)

Nucular and coal power plants, StonerLand State Gun Safety Amusement Park, strip mining for uranium...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2023 05:23 PM (n+4am)

88 "See what can be. Unburdened by what has been." is not a recipe to honor the past.

Posted by: m at July 11, 2023 05:23 PM (LdYi7)

89 Posted by: Ace's unappointed Fact Checker at July 11, 2023 05:11 PM (53oGX)

I read "Fart Checker."
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at July 11, 2023 05:22 PM (Mzdiz)

Close enough

Posted by: The Ghost of Fred G Sanford at July 11, 2023 05:23 PM (NtVYv)

90 The Deep State almost managed to wipe out small businesses with the COVID shutdowns. Not quite, though.

Posted by: MartynWW at July 11, 2023 05:23 PM (N1vqS)

91 I wish that I gave them money, so I could stop.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 11, 2023 05:14 PM (2tUFv)

Meh, send them a letter written on a print out of the email stating, "Do you want me not to give you an endowment? Because this is how you convince me not to send you an endowment"

Maybe they will get the message

Posted by: Kindltot at July 11, 2023 05:24 PM (xhaym)

92 66 I also didn’t realize the difference was so great for tuition between in state and out of state for State Universities.
Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (MNhXM)

This is why I won't move from my state...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 11, 2023 05:24 PM (exHjb)

93 I think the medical community has lost much more trust than higher education has.

I wouldn't trust me. And it sucks to say that.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (9w3M/)

I wish I didn't agree with you. But I do.

Posted by: Catherine at July 11, 2023 05:24 PM (ZSsrh)

94 I just watered me garden.

I shoulda weeded, but I'm gonna sit outside and read.

Posted by: JT at July 11, 2023 05:25 PM (T4tVD)

95 That's a shame.

Posted by: In my best Seinfeld voice at July 11, 2023 05:25 PM (2H7D9)

96 The left still would have gone mad if Hillary was elected. Discuss.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 11, 2023 05:25 PM (1MDmS)

97 Yep, when biology departments can't even define man or woman, it's pretty obvious there actually is no higher ed.

And when math and science depts say math and science are racist, yep, ditto.

Its all just a propaganda program with the side benefit of making elites richer and putting crushing debt on the middle class.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2023 05:25 PM (8GBH4)

98 40 LEAVE JAKE TAPPER ALONE!
Posted by: Brian Stelter at July 11, 2023 05:17 PM (PiwSw)
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*as mascara and tears run down Stelter's cheeks*

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 11, 2023 05:25 PM (ssESX)

99 100!

Posted by: m at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (LdYi7)

100 65 Second look at Technical School?

Or fifth look?

Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM (iziT

get a job that I can't telework and it gets my hands dirty? nope they can't pay me enough to do it

Posted by: american teens at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (AMIL/)

101 Princeton university started as log cabins, built by the students. We need more of that and less the versailles-like palaces of modern college campi

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (0hOvj)

102 The only reason to go to college is for STEM. Science (real, not social) Technology, Engineering, and Math.

Back in the day, I viewed college as high-tech trade school.

My Dad had that romantic notion about the Liberal Arts.

LOL.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (jgJfd)

103
I'm registered as an independent. Unaffiliated is what we call it here in NC. So is my husband. And son. Professionally, it's better to be unaffiliated. Because we like being employed. And having money. And a house. And food.
Posted by: NCKate

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That makes sense, but how would you identify in an anonymous environment? Like here? You don't call yourself an independent, right? If you took the time to complete an anonymous poll that you trusted, would you ID as independent when you are, in fact, conservative?

I have a neighbor who votes but who "avoids politics" because it's "divisive." A proud independent. I'd call her an ignorant.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (AxmOr)

104 According to the bureau of Labor Statistics, college admissions dropped 8% from 2019 to 2022, the greatest decline yet seen.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (i9ffA)

105 I'm not kidding at all.

Show up to any Town Council / City Council meeting and wait for some dipshit to bring up 'Affordable Housing'.

Then hit them with the Kelo Solution to the local University Campus. Covid proved that they don't need the footprint/real estate.

Seize their lands.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (EPupa)

106 The Supreme Court's decision may also affect a form of affirmative action practiced by many colleges and universities, which is affirmative action in favor of males (particularly small liberal arts colleges).

Males are increasingly disinclined to go to college - it's a hostile environment, you may be branded for life as a sex offender if you have a messy breakup, etc.

The problem is that males are even more disinclined to attend a school that is mostly women, and a lot of women are disinclined to attend a school that is mostly women, so schools informally try to keep the percentage of women attending below 60% or so, by admitting less qualified males.

BTW, this is why student loans are increasingly defined as a "women's issue" - the people who borrow a quarter of a million bucks to get a BA and MA in sociology from an expensive school like NYU are almost all women.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (2tUFv)

107 Ace is back!

Hey, Ace. We missed you. That Lamont dummy was really screwing up the blog.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (xTRSc)

108 Part of the issue is that for education to have value, the people there must have a mastery of the subjects they are teaching you.

But they don't.

If I want to increase my Biblical literacy, I want someone who has studied it more than me, preferably a lot more, to help me as I read through it to take away a deeper understanding.

But if my tutor is just a woke, minority quota hire that wants to tell me about the harms inflicted by people that believe the Bible, well, my Biblical literacy won't improve. In fact it will be diminished.

College doesn't have too many experts left and there are too many colleges to be able to put an expert in every classroom. So you just get moderately literate instructors that are as likely to tell you things that are incorrect as they are to teach you things that are correct.

And because they know they don't actually know much about their subject, they instead give students a cocktail party explanation, the same type of expertise that one might feign in a group full of people they are trying to impress (but hoping someone in the group doesn't actually possess knowledge of the subject for fear of being exposed as a poser).

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (/11g9)

109 93 I think the medical community has lost much more trust than higher education has.

I wouldn't trust me. And it sucks to say that.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (9w3M/)

I wish I didn't agree with you. But I do.
Posted by: Catherine at July 11, 2023 05:24 PM (ZSsrh)

I've always been "trust but verify" and "have the lawyer present" when it comes to medical (yes, have someone in the family become one, even if they don't practice anything related, b/c it helps) so for me, it hasn't changed much...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 11, 2023 05:26 PM (exHjb)

110 California is not putting up with this Sound of Freedom shit!

Ashley Zavala
@ZavalaA
JUST IN: The Assembly Public Safety Committee blocks SB 14, which would have made human trafficking of a minor a serious felony in California.
"HORRIBLE" was yelled at the dais as victim sobs.
The bill had cleared the Senate with bipartisan support.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (FVME7)

111 I know I’m in the minority here. My kids are going to college and Allah willing a good one at that. Yes lots of retarded useless degrees out there from No Name U. But a degree from a prestigious college is about the surest bet there is to a good life (financially speaking) in America.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (KK6O+)

112 Stuck on a calculus problem? Ask YouTube.

Posted by: It is known at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (2H7D9)

113 KELO. Bitches.

Take their Land. Use it for ANYTHING else.
Posted by: garrett

Boot camps for wayward yoots and Firearms Academies.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (jzzG8)

114 They say on a dark night if you listen carefully, you can hear the wind whisper "Lamont".

Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (iziT8)

115 The Nazi Party similarly infiltrated and subverted social institutions, usually by means of party-affiliated professional associations, especially among civil servants, small businesses, school teachers, college professors, doctors, and lawyers.

In Weimar Germany this process was facilitated by the fact most doctors and college professors were also public employees.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (RIvkX)

116 get a job that I can't telework and it gets my hands dirty? nope they can't pay me enough to do it
Posted by: american teen

"Work?? I am going to make Tik Tok videos and then graduate up to Youtube and make millions with my Instagram side gig!"
--American teens

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (0hOvj)

117 Everything. Is. Broken.

Posted by: ShainS -- Semiquincentennial or Bust! at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (+dOHi)

118 I shoulda weeded, but I'm gonna sit outside and read.

You must live somewhere pleasant with 4 actual seasons.

If I sat outside to read, I'd end up calling 911. "Please, help, I think my internal organs melted, all of them."

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (ppBhU)

119 28 "Wrap Foil Around Doorknobs When Alone, Here's Why"

"One Meat You Should Never Feed Your Dog"

. . . The targeted ads are really spot on and speak to my concerns.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority
_____________

Nice. I needed a good laugh. Thanks.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (gf7Ez)

120
I also didn’t realize the difference was so great for tuition between in state and out of state for State Universities.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM

As my son quickly discovered, if you actually work for the University the tuition for an in-state student almost disappears. Especially for one with mad computer skills.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (enJYY)

121 Then hit them with the Kelo Solution to the local University Campus. Covid proved that they don't need the footprint/real estate.

They need their 15 story administration building with polished granite floors and atrium.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 11, 2023 05:28 PM (1MDmS)

122 Trade School >>> Harvard.

Posted by: Joe Mama at July 11, 2023 05:28 PM (lZVy/)

123 10 My middle son will be in his second year in college. He was lucky enough to get a school that isn't woke and isn't asking about pronouns.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 05:13 PM

My son just graduated from a Flagship State Woke university.

Watching the crazies run around like little authoritarians with the hair on fire pushed him farther to the right.

Unfortunately, it flipped my oldest daughter from center-right to left. And she ain't ever coming back ... sigh!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 11, 2023 05:28 PM (HlyYF)

124 I’m a little worried about the chick in the doggie position with visible yellow bones showing. Don’t think I would mount her.

Posted by: Puddinhead at July 11, 2023 05:28 PM (/UtnQ)

125 Obliviously this problem calls for more government intervention leading to bigger college loans.

Posted by: WisRich at July 11, 2023 05:28 PM (G0vdT)

126 Hiya Ace !

I didn't recognize you at first !

Posted by: JT at July 11, 2023 05:28 PM (T4tVD)

127 53 Have you watched some of these YouTube videos interviewing kids on college campuses asking them simple civics, geography and history questions? Idiocracy is here.
Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (VP9ao)

I knew damn well that it wouldn't take anywhere near 500 years to achieve Idiocracy but--holy shit--I did *not* expect that it would happen in my lifetime.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at July 11, 2023 05:28 PM (DTX3h)

128 I don't trust doctors, lawyers or, for that matter indian chiefs. never have.

Posted by: Archer at July 11, 2023 05:29 PM (gmo/4)

129 09 Bete

Thanks for finishing my thought.
I am a proud alumna of Sweet Briar College, a small women's college in Virginia, class of 1986.
NONE of my professors injected politics or their personal stance into the classroom. Everything was about the subject.

I am blessed to have had a true liberal arts education with a major in English literature (manga cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa).

I now teach at a Title 1 high school (students come from economically disadvantaged homes). Many of them are far behind in their reading skills, but they've been promoted anyway. One suggestion I have to address the problem is an intermediate "boot camp, year-round" school for students to get caught up to grade level; no student moves on until he or she shows proficiency on the grade level.

I've taught for 34 years. I am devoted to my vocation.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at July 11, 2023 05:29 PM (goJt/)

130 Obliviously this problem calls for more government intervention leading to bigger college loans.
Posted by: WisRich

But if I get one, I don't hafta pay it back, right ?

Posted by: JT at July 11, 2023 05:29 PM (T4tVD)

131 Medicine has lost a lot of its prestige because we can all know what doctors know easily. Back in the before times doctors were the only ones who (supposedly) knew about medicine. But today with a few searches online I can find out as much as a doctor knows on just about any topic.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:29 PM (KK6O+)

132 I could've gone to law school after 6th grade.

Posted by: SFGoth at July 11, 2023 05:29 PM (KAi1n)

133 I no longer identify as a conservative, I am a Radical, because I want to overturn the satus quo and replace it with something far more sponsive to us, the people.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2023 05:29 PM (i9ffA)

134 They say on a dark night if you listen carefully, you can hear the wind whisper "Lamont".
Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM

But the wind cries Mary, and if it's windy enough her perfect peircing.

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 11, 2023 05:30 PM (xdNDi)

135 I talk to a lot of young people. I am amazed at how uneducated they are. They have no idea how to perform a lot of simple tasks and please don't ask them to solve any math problems. Higher education has become a swamp of marxist ideologues teaching marxist and communist propaganda to their students. Add in the trans, gay and pedo crew and you have a perfect storm of dumb kids and young adults.
Posted by: FrankinTexas...fed up to here at July 11, 2023 05:18 PM (VcHM+)

And they vote or soon will be voting. That's why my attitude towards the future of this country is fairly pessimistic.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 11, 2023 05:30 PM (BdMk6)

136 Covid proved that they don't need the footprint/real estate.

Exactly. They spend billions on making college look amazing when they only need a few brick buildings. I long for a day when places like Harvard have spent all their foundation money and are having to sell off land to stay open.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:30 PM (0hOvj)

137 I think you can safely figure there are sex slaves in some California Assemblymen's basements.

Posted by: torabora at July 11, 2023 05:30 PM (OUiUM)

138 Tucker Episode 9 is out now.

Posted by: Grape Juice Plus at July 11, 2023 05:30 PM (ufJfM)

139 Everyone knows that 21st century universities were little more than glorified daycare.

- Turanga Leela

Posted by: Archer at July 11, 2023 05:30 PM (gmo/4)

140 116 "Work?? I am going to make Tik Tok videos and then graduate up to Youtube and make millions with my Instagram side gig!"
--American teens

could bootstrap yourself by twitch streaming your creation of tiktok videos.

Posted by: anachronda at July 11, 2023 05:30 PM (oY6Yp)

141
Have you watched some of these YouTube videos interviewing kids on college campuses asking them simple civics, geography and history questions? Idiocracy is here.
Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 05:19 PM (VP9ao)

The one that makes me snort is the relentlessly arrogant woke grad student in the panel where she has to guess the IQ of the other students. When she finds out that one of them is a Marine veteran, she basically calls him a medium functioning retard. Turns out that he's got the highest IQ in the group (I wanna say it was around 138 or so), and of course she has the lowest at around 115.

I've come to the conclusion that something like 90% of yootoob and tocktick content is staged. Or at least, I HOPE it's staged, because if it isn't, Western Civilization is fucked.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2023 05:30 PM (n+4am)

142 Public trust in our vaunted institutions has cratered. On the other hand public belief in conspiracy theories has skyrocketed. Clearly the problem is not enough censorship and stamping out misinformation and hate speech.

Posted by: Ripley at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (KrJTL)

143 >>And a fond farewell to Lamont, that big dummy

Farewell is so final. Better to say adieu for now.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (ZLI7S)

144 But a degree from a prestigious college is about the surest bet there is to a good life (financially speaking) in America.
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (KK6O+)

See, I think Gen X and below are now fully rejecting Ivy degrees...I think state degrees are the way to go if you want to secure your kids' future...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (exHjb)

145 And now we see Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper having spastic meltdown every single night demanding to know, "Why doesn't the public believe us any more? What's wrong with them?"

They will learn no lessons and won't change one bit. It's the serfs who are wrong. Screaming louder and silencing opposing voices is the only way to preserving our democracy and freedom.

Or some stupid shit.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (sAmhv)

146 Ashley Zavala
@ZavalaA
JUST IN: The Assembly Public Safety Committee blocks SB 14, which would have made human trafficking of a minor a serious felony in California.
"HORRIBLE" was yelled at the dais as victim sobs.
The bill had cleared the Senate with bipartisan support.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (FVME7)
===
Even Pervert-in-Chief Scott Weiner voted for it. He must have known it would fail in the Assembly.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (RIvkX)

147 They call the wind Mariah.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (xTRSc)

148 Have you watched some of these YouTube videos interviewing kids on college campuses asking them simple civics, geography and history questions? Idiocracy is here.

I was always hoping they went through the options and picked the dumbest answers but who knows?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (0hOvj)

149
BTW, this is why student loans are increasingly defined as a "women's issue" - the people who borrow a quarter of a million bucks to get a BA and MA in sociology from an expensive school like NYU are almost all women.
Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts!

=========

Heh, Alissa Heinerscheid and all the fired DEI execs could have benefitted from a dose of frat-boy culture.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (AxmOr)

150 You guys aren't very good Christians. Just ask Bishop French.

David French
@DavidAFrench
One of the worst aspects of the new right is its "no apologies" ethos. That's not just unchristian, it's fundamentally anti-Christian.

We all fall. We all make mistakes. Repentance isn't optional. It's a necessary part of life.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (FVME7)

151 138 Tucker Episode 9 is out now.

ain't logging in to twitter.

Posted by: anachronda at July 11, 2023 05:32 PM (oY6Yp)

152 >>>Unfortunately, it flipped my oldest daughter from center-right to left. And she ain't ever coming back ... sigh!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot

That drives me crazy. I have friends who don't talk to their parents anymore because they're conservatives. Thankfully my kids are to the right of Goebbels.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 05:32 PM (bkUtD)

153 Obliviously this problem calls for more government intervention leading to bigger college loans.

Posted by: WisRich

Just took Not-so-Little-anymore for her college orientation meeting.

They looked at me strange when I told them I would not be filling out FAFSA, because I would not be putting my daughter in debt to the government.

Apparently just paying for college is a rare thing now.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2023 05:32 PM (/11g9)

154 Twenty bucks. Same as the Art Thread.

Posted by: Chick in the doggy position at July 11, 2023 05:32 PM (2H7D9)

155 I also didn’t realize the difference was so great for tuition between in state and out of state for State Universities.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 05:20 PM
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Which is part of the scam of State schools. In Wisconsin, the state legislator froze tuition so what did the UW system do? They increased their percentage of out of state students, screwing over WI kids.

Posted by: WisRich at July 11, 2023 05:32 PM (G0vdT)

156 My second daughter will graduate HS with at least 15 college credit hours. Even she isn't sure college is worth it.

Sadly, some education can't be obtained easily outside of college. Thank God for College of the Ozarks and other schools that aren't trash. My daughter majoring in math kinda has to go to one.
Posted by: Catherine

Have her take the CLEP, and don't let some counselor talk y'all out of it.
Got me a full 30 hrs (1 year). I had to transfer to a Community College, because it took all the hours, vs. the Uni that only wanted to give me 15.
Accredited Comm. College... every Uni has to accept the degreed hours!

Posted by: MkY at July 11, 2023 05:33 PM (cPGH3)

157 All those “look how stupid college kids are” videos are so over the top they have to be staged. They don’t know who wrote the declaration? Ok I can buy that. But they don’t know what countries border the US? Sorry that’s just not realistic,

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:33 PM (KK6O+)

158 Looks like I got out of the higher education biz just in time.
It was bound to happen. Colleges feel like they are in the biz of selling credentials, not education.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 11, 2023 05:33 PM (MeG8a)

159 128 I don't trust doctors, lawyers or, for that matter indian chiefs. never have.

Posted by: Archer at July 11, 2023 05:29 PM (gmo/4)

*sniff*

Posted by: Iron Eyes Cody, shedding a single tear at July 11, 2023 05:33 PM (PiwSw)

160 I have had zero confidence in education as a whole for 20 years, but on the bright side since I started wrapping my doorknobs in foil, neither myself nor my cats have contracted malaria. That's a plus.

Posted by: Alcoa Man at July 11, 2023 05:33 PM (T0tUU)

161 But a degree from a prestigious college is about the surest bet there is to a good life (financially speaking) in America.

THat was true, probably, in the past. But today? Starting out half a million or more in debt? With so many other options?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (0hOvj)

162 Somewhat related, this black GA Democrat has switched to Republican after attacks from Dems regarding her positions on school choice and safer communities:

https://tinyurl.com/3dcrwx5j

From the article: “The most dangerous thing to the Democrat Party is a black person with a mind of their own. So, it wouldn’t surprise me,” she said when asked if she will face a backlash from Democrats.

Posted by: DJ at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (uosPt)

163 Males are increasingly disinclined to go to college

Easy for me to say since I have girls, but if I had sons, I would be all over them to go to trade school and working right away. Electricians and plumbers are the richest guys on the block.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (8GBH4)

164 132 I could've gone to law school after 6th grade.
Posted by: SFGoth at July 11, 2023 05:29 PM (KAi1n)

Pre-pre-pre-law.

Posted by: m at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (LdYi7)

165 I've got a 14 yo grandson that is learning the ways of farming and is glad to be doing so. My DIL's family have about 1,300 acres they tend to on the coastal bend.

it's cool watching him run a F350 flatbed around town

Posted by: DanMan at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (DB6tu)

166 I’m a little worried about the chick in the doggie position with visible yellow bones showing. Don’t think I would mount her.
Posted by: Puddinhead at July 11, 2023 05:28 PM (/UtnQ)

BUT sometimes desperation kicks in around closing time.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (BdMk6)

167 152 my kids are to the right of Goebbels

Sorry, Wyatt, but Nazis weren’t of the Right.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (xTRSc)

168 The one that makes me snort is the relentlessly arrogant woke grad student in the panel where she has to guess the IQ of the other students. When she finds out that one of them is a Marine veteran, she basically calls him a medium functioning retard. Turns out that he's got the highest IQ in the group (I wanna say it was around 138 or so), and of course she has the lowest at around 115.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2023 05:30 PM (n+4am)

I saw that one. That girl had a PhD. Worked in some bio-med company. Loved the look on her face when the results came in.

Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (VP9ao)

169 Obliviously this problem calls for more government intervention leading to bigger college loans.
Posted by: WisRich

At a minimum it needs a cabinet level office of student rights with an annual budget of $750billion and staff on every college and trade school campus.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (1MDmS)

170 But they don’t know what countries border the US? Sorry that’s just not realistic,
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:33 PM (KK6O+)

Si senior, specially when hints are pushing a lawn mower in their front yard.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (pohLc)

171 Wait,
I thought the foil on your doorknbs was to help fight to fungus and tinnitus?

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (xdNDi)

172 Posted by Ace at 05:10 PM

Ace, it's good to have you back.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (a3Q+t)

173 David French
@DavidAFrench
One of the worst aspects of the new right is its "no apologies" ethos. That's not just unchristian, it's fundamentally anti-Christian.

Never stick your apologetic dick in crazy

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (NtVYv)

174 But today with a few searches online I can find out as much as a doctor knows on just about any topic.
Posted by: Montec at July

Sure. Go with Dr Google.

What the internet lacks is perspective and experience. And Dr Google cannot perform a physical exam. Unfortunately, Covid ruined the medical profession.

I still wouldn't google my symptoms. That's a very bad idea.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (qMklK)

175 Chief Wild Eagle seemed trustworthy, well, maybe he's a little shifty. Krazy Kat was the one to watch out for, though.

Posted by: Injun Lore at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (T0tUU)

176 171 Wait,
I thought the foil on your doorknbs was to help fight to fungus and tinnitus?
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (xdNDi)

It's a veritable panacea.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 05:36 PM (eYoxG)

177 See, I think Gen X and below are now fully rejecting Ivy degrees...I think state degrees are the way to go if you want to secure your kids' future...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (exHjb)

I’m GenX. And I didn’t specifically say Ivy, I said prestigious. Cal or Michigan or Virginia and others would qualify in my book.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:36 PM (KK6O+)

178 21 What makes me saddest is watching black families absolutely CERTAIN that their kid has to go to college to have a hope of the future. That's their highest goal, for their kids to go to college. When its probably their worst option.

Send young Jamal to a crab fishing boat or trade school, apprentice them somewhere. Save hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:15 PM

We recently had a contractor blow a 550 HP diesel engine at an oil well job.

Mechanic that came out to fix it was a young black man - in the middle of part of some of the whitest portion of flyover country.

We got chatting and I asked him how he got started working on big diesel engines. He said he was a tank mechanic in the army. When he got out, he wanted to find a place where only his boss told him what to do, NOT what other black people told him to do.

I asked him how that was working out. He got a big grin, and said that his boss was a great guy and he loved his job!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 11, 2023 05:36 PM (HlyYF)

179 Wow serious you guys I heard that Kathleen Kennedy is really really in trouble at Disney! She's out for sure!

Posted by: blaster at July 11, 2023 05:36 PM (pwExq)

180 Golden Gate University Law school figured it could sell off it's surplus land to tide them over the post pandemic rough spot. But the land values have plummeted and the 115+ year old institution is staring down the barrel of bankruptcy. Plus it's looking at Bar deaccredditation because of miserable Bar pass rates, which are tough as nails in California believe it or not. $50,000+ tuition.

No word on whether the professors are taking a hair cut to help bridge the gap.

This needs to happen a lot more.

Posted by: torabora at July 11, 2023 05:36 PM (OUiUM)

181 Marxist Seminaries hate white males, and from what I am reading the Military Universities as well, it's all pushing White Supremacists onto any White males.

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2023 05:37 PM (xhxe8)

182 "See what can be. Unburdened by what has been." is not a recipe to honor the past.
Posted by: m at July 11, 2023 05:23 PM (LdYi7)

It's Jahr Null.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 11, 2023 05:37 PM (aD39U)

183 I saw that one. That girl had a PhD. Worked in some bio-med company. Loved the look on her face when the results came in.
Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (VP9ao)

Here's that video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAlI0pbMQiM

Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 05:37 PM (VP9ao)

184 152 That drives me crazy. I have friends who don't talk to their parents anymore because they're conservatives. Thankfully my kids are to the right of Goebbels.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 05:32 PM (bkUtD)

=======

Not saying much.

Goebbels was really far to the left.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, perfectly captured in the frame by William Wyler at July 11, 2023 05:37 PM (LvTSG)

185 What the internet lacks is perspective and experience. And Dr Google cannot perform a physical exam. Unfortunately, Covid ruined the medical profession.

I still wouldn't google my symptoms. That's a very bad idea.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (qMklK)

There are also, like any profession, shitty people

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:37 PM (NtVYv)

186 Great point, Ace, about the 2015/2016 meltdown of the professional class pseudo-elite. But technocracy had been failing for decades before Trump. Obviously, the swamp was already foul before Trump suggested draining it. Angela Codevila wrote his ruling class essay back in 2010. Kevin Williamson wrote his insane let-the-white-working-class-die essay BEFORE Trump was elected. Etc.

The Trump era is just the latest chapter in the un-hingement of the pseudo-elite ruling class. Everything they believe in about their own supposed superiority and the world at large can now only be maintained by their thugs at the point of a gun. Which really aggravates the bastards.

Posted by: Bamanarama at July 11, 2023 05:37 PM (uH1aC)

187 What the internet lacks is perspective and experience. And Dr Google cannot perform a physical exam. Unfortunately, Covid ruined the medical profession.

I still wouldn't google my symptoms. That's a very bad idea.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (qMklK)

There are also, like any profession, shitty people

Oh Shit, present company excluded

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:38 PM (NtVYv)

188 NATO told Zelensky to talk to the hand. No joining the club until he beats Putin.

He helped Joe destroy his country and got exactly dick in exchange.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2023 05:38 PM (ZLI7S)

189 Electricians and plumbers are the richest guys on the block.

This.

I'm a lawyer. I've had a moderately successful career, I guess, but nothing spectacular in terms of professional achievement. My brother-in-law plumber has outearned me pretty easily. Plumbing may not be prestigious, especially in the eyes of the so-called elites, but you can't pay your bills with supposed prestige. And he didn't spend 7 years accumulating debt without earnings.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:38 PM (ppBhU)

190 111 I know I’m in the minority here. My kids are going to college and Allah willing a good one at that. Yes lots of retarded useless degrees out there from No Name U. But a degree from a prestigious college is about the surest bet there is to a good life (financially speaking) in America.
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:27 PM (KK6O+)

I attended a great college, but there's no way I'm sending my son there. Not while it's woke. There's no use in gaining all the money in the world if you lose your soul in the process. More likely than not, if you're smart enough to get accepted to an Ivy, you'll find your way in life. Think Swimmer's Body Illusion.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at July 11, 2023 05:39 PM (/iWhV)

191 I asked him how that was working out. He got a big grin, and said that his boss was a great guy and he loved his job!

Smart young man. We need more like that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:39 PM (0hOvj)

192 I don't trust doctors, lawyers or, for that matter indian chiefs. never have.

Posted by: Archer at July 11, 2023 05:29 PM (gmo/4)

What about construction workers and policemen?

Posted by: The Village People at July 11, 2023 05:39 PM (v0R5T)

193 " And now we see Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper having spastic meltdown every single night demanding to know, "Why doesn't the public believe us any more? What's wrong with them?""

Well, it turns out that when you lie to people obviously enough for long enough they get this idea that you are a lying liar who lies and they stop believing anything you say.

I know that this is a difficult concept for your below-average Leftist to comprehend, but people do judge other people by their actions and not merely by whether they spout the approved platitudes on demand like some kind of Chatty Cathy doll.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 11, 2023 05:39 PM (ou9hh)

194 I don't trust doctors, lawyers or, for that matter indian chiefs. never have.
Posted by: Archer at July 11, 2023 05:29 PM

You're aware we have all three among our commenters, correct?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at July 11, 2023 05:39 PM (a3Q+t)

195
That drives me crazy. I have friends who don't talk to their parents anymore because they're conservatives.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 05:32 PM

I think my son and daughter came to the realization that a parent/child divorce was necessary at the exact moment I realized the same. Shame they're now out of the will. Now I gotta spend all the money before I die without guilt.

What a pair of dunces I helped create, then turned over to PA State Universities. They weren't so damn dumb before they went.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 11, 2023 05:39 PM (enJYY)

196 Wow serious you guys I heard that Kathleen Kennedy is really really in trouble at Disney! She's out for sure!

Out like out the door or out like passed out drunk because they'll never fire her?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at July 11, 2023 05:39 PM (Bd6X8)

197 All those “look how stupid college kids are” videos are so over the top they have to be staged. They don’t know who wrote the declaration? Ok I can buy that. But they don’t know what countries border the US? Sorry that’s just not realistic,
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:33 PM (KK6O+)

Man, you've got a tall flash coming. Many college grads don't even know which states surround their's.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 11, 2023 05:39 PM (BdMk6)

198 150 You guys aren't very good Christians. Just ask Bishop French.

David French
@DavidAFrench
One of the worst aspects of the new right is its "no apologies" ethos. That's not just unchristian, it's fundamentally anti-Christian.

We all fall. We all make mistakes. Repentance isn't optional. It's a necessary part of life.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Who is this guy's audience? Really?

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 11, 2023 05:40 PM (sAmhv)

199 THat was true, probably, in the past. But today? Starting out half a million or more in debt? With so many other options?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (0hOvj)

1/2 a million? Not quite. Worst case scenario if yiu go to a private college or pay out of state tuition and get no scholarships, no grants no nothing and no job, it’s $200k in debt. And that is very rare since most kids get some sort of financial aid, and get a summer job and have parents who contribute something.

The average student loan amount for graduating students is $35k. The people you hear about in the news with hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt are aberrations not the norm.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:40 PM (KK6O+)

200 WebMD = Oregon Trail

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 11, 2023 05:40 PM (4I/2K)

201 200

Posted by: m at July 11, 2023 05:40 PM (LdYi7)

202 Electricians and plumbers are the richest guys on the block.

This.

I'm a lawyer. I've had a moderately successful career, I guess, but nothing spectacular in terms of professional achievement. My brother-in-law plumber has outearned me pretty easily. Plumbing may not be prestigious, especially in the eyes of the so-called elites, but you can't pay your bills with supposed prestige. And he didn't spend 7 years accumulating debt without earnings.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:38 PM (ppBhU)

I never started higher ed until I was 35 YO. I don't have a degree, but a lot of experience and certifications that pay me very well. Getting education later in life is valuable as hell IMHO

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:40 PM (NtVYv)

203 NATO told Zelensky to talk to the hand. No joining the club until he beats Putin.

He helped Joe destroy his country and got exactly dick in exchange.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2023 05:38 PM (ZLI7S)
........

A couple of green T-shirts, maybe. Oh, and a condo in Florida?

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2023 05:40 PM (v0R5T)

204 apologizing gets you beaten, it targets you for extra attention because you have shown you are weak and willing to cave under enough pressure.

That is what living with an abuser teaches.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 11, 2023 05:41 PM (xhaym)

205 WebMD = Oregon Trail
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 11, 2023 05:40 PM (4I/2K)

ahahahah

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:41 PM (NtVYv)

206 Looking in between naps.

This works into what we were discussing the other day about how our society is splintering. The left needs to watch it's ass. As more and more people don't buy their BS, they will double down, and then double down again. It will backfire.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2023 05:41 PM (e4fEA)

207 I would trust Chief Dan George. But no other Indian chiefs.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:41 PM (xTRSc)

208
Electricians and plumbers are the richest guys on the block.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (8GBH4)

And they are the backbone of Western Civilization. Try reading your Derrida by candlelight while having to sprint to the outhouse every 3 minutes because of the dual case of cholera and dysentery in your gut.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2023 05:41 PM (n+4am)

209 I still wouldn't google my symptoms. That's a very bad idea.

Its like newspapers. You need the information to be informed and able to make wise decisions but you cannot trust any of them to tell the truth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:41 PM (0hOvj)

210 If Trump hate destroyed our confidence in old institutions, then Covid destroyed Gen Z’s confidence in all institutions.

They saw all the so-called adults in the room freak out and become Karen killjoy scolds.

Double-whammy to the legitimacy of institutions.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 11, 2023 05:42 PM (zGWW1)

211 I've come to the conclusion that something like 90% of yootoob and tocktick content is staged. Or at least, I HOPE it's staged, because if it isn't, Western Civilization is fucked.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

Ask yourself "where is the camera and why".
If it's not a random happening, it's a set up.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 11, 2023 05:42 PM (gO/j+)

212 "Even churches. I'm having a hard time thinking of a single institution in America that has not utterly demolished their goodwill and trust."

Yeah I saw that poll on Fox. According to the numbers on the screen, trust in media had dropped by 20 percentage points, and trust in churches had only dropped, like, 3 or something, and the Chyron read "American losing trust in churches".

Because the media can't possibly draw attention to their own failures.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 11, 2023 05:42 PM (ou9hh)

213 Sure. Go with Dr Google.

What the internet lacks is perspective and experience. And Dr Google cannot perform a physical exam. Unfortunately, Covid ruined the medical profession.

My gf broke out in a horrible rash.

She was diagnosed by her doctor with shingles. After rash had spread for three days, I told her that didn't sound right for shingles, she might want to go back to doctor.

ER doctor realized shingles diagnosis was incorrect. In fact she had the rash from Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

She took steroids and hard core antibiotics for a week, still no relief.

She finally looked online and thought perhaps it wasn't that. So she went to a walk-in clinic where the nurse practitioner figured out it was poison ivy.

Just because they have an MD doesn't mean they are competent.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2023 05:42 PM (/11g9)

214 Man, you've got a tall flash coming. Many college grads don't even know which states surround their's.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 11, 2023 05:39 PM (BdMk6)

Who is the President.

Oh man, isn't it that John Wayne dude ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:42 PM (NtVYv)

215 >>>Sorry, Wyatt, but Nazis weren’t of the Right.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

I always get that confused. My kids are far, far right.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 05:43 PM (bkUtD)

216 apologizing gets you beaten, it targets you for extra attention because you have shown you are weak and willing to cave under enough pressure.

Well that's the key that French either does not or will not understand: all of polite society, culture, and social behavior requires a structure of agreed-upon actions and responses. If you remove those, then being the last guy saying "please" and "thank you" just makes you the victim and the one that everyone takes advantage of.

We are in an abusive culture, where any weakness is attacked and used as leverage to destroy you. People didn't stop apologizing because they are innately rude, they stopped because it only feeds the abusers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 11, 2023 05:43 PM (0hOvj)

217 Electricians and plumbers are the richest guys on the block

—

Because they live in middle class blocks. 😀

Owners of plumbing companies or electrical companies, yeah they make a lot. Plumbers or electricians who work for those companies make a decent middle class income, but are by no means upper middle class.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:43 PM (KK6O+)

218 he finally looked online and thought perhaps it wasn't that. So she went to a walk-in clinic where the nurse practitioner figured out it was poison ivy.

Just because they have an MD doesn't mean they are competent.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2023 05:42 PM (/11g9)

A roll in the hay ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:43 PM (NtVYv)

219 20th-century libs were like: "How unfair is it that the dumbest person could not understand the difference you are making?" and this led to Lowest-Common-Denominator thinking and Zero-Tolerance policies that nobody could question, because you try to put an issue in the biggest box you could.

This led to a partial nihilism where it's not right to put your values on other people. That was authoritarian.

Now, they don't need you to have your own opinion, they would prefer that you not even try. The experts KNOW.

If you're like the dumb people we had to dumb everything down for, and you have a question about CRT--GET IN LINE, RACIST!

You don't understand?! Your objections are just White Fragility!! You're a bigot--you need a Maoist struggle session.

And these are now the "experts", and where do "experts" reside?

Largely at universities.

Posted by: Axeman at July 11, 2023 05:44 PM (krQz2)

220 You guys aren't very good Christians. Just ask Bishop French.

David French
@DavidAFrench
One of the worst aspects of the new right is its "no apologies" ethos. That's not just unchristian, it's fundamentally anti-Christian.

We all fall. We all make mistakes. Repentance isn't optional. It's a necessary part of life.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Who is this guy's audience? Really?
Posted by: Puddleglum at July 11, 2023 05:40 PM (sAmhv)
***

Heh.
If you get slapped on one check and turn the other one, and it gets slapped too, guess what? You've run outta cheeks, unless you want to turn around and bend over.
Piss off French. I apologize for nothing.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 11, 2023 05:44 PM (e4fEA)

221 I would trust Chief Dan George. But no other Indian chiefs.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:41 PM (xTRSc)
.......

What about President Shitting Bull?

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2023 05:44 PM (v0R5T)

222 "See what can be. Unburdened by what has been." is not a recipe to honor the past.
Posted by: m

Kamala explains transportation.

https://tinyurl.com/4676vaup

I'm pretty sure trans portation is where EVs identify as real cars.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 11, 2023 05:45 PM (FVME7)

223 You do NOT want to know how many Americans can't find the US on a globe.

Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2023 05:45 PM (iziT8)

224 >>>Heh.
If you get slapped on one check and turn the other one, and it gets slapped too, guess what? You've run outta cheeks, unless you want to turn around and bend over.
Piss off French. I apologize for nothing.
Posted by: Diogenes

Funny, since that jagoff never apologizes when he's wrong. And that's often.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 05:45 PM (bkUtD)

225 >>Electricians and plumbers are the richest guys on the block.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 11, 2023 05:34 PM (8GBH4)

Just north of Marathon in the FL Keys is a small key called Duck Key. Lots of money in that place. One of the biggest, most opulent homes is owned or at least was last time I was there by a plumbing contractor from Miami.

Place must be worth at least $10 million, probably a lot more.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2023 05:45 PM (ZLI7S)

226 When has French ever apologized or admitted he was wrong?
And I mean legit remorse, not backstabbing “I’m sorry I didn’t take the threat of MAGA seriously enough” or some other garbage.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 11, 2023 05:45 PM (zGWW1)

227 215 Wyatt, in German terms that would make them advocates for the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire.

In American terms, it probably makes them Coolidge voters.

Good on them, either way.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:45 PM (xTRSc)

228 152 >>>Unfortunately, it flipped my oldest daughter from center-right to left. And she ain't ever coming back ... sigh!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot

That drives me crazy. I have friends who don't talk to their parents anymore because they're conservatives. Thankfully my kids are to the right of Goebbels.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 05:32 PM

Dang. I definitely wrote that ambiguously.

She isn't coming back from her ideological shift.

The family is still all good. She is free to bring up political topics, but has learned that is usually a FAFO situation.

Immediately after college, she would start a rant, we would point out three factual wrongs, she would then google our asses on the phone ... and let the topic quietly drop.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 11, 2023 05:46 PM (HlyYF)

229
WebMD should have an IQ test upon admittance. Like,"Does 2 + 2 = 4?"

Pass that test and look for the most benign diagnosis and you're good to go.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 11, 2023 05:46 PM (enJYY)

230 Just because they have an MD doesn't mean they are competent.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

What do you call the Affirmative Action student who finished last in their med school class?
Doctor...

Posted by: MkY at July 11, 2023 05:46 PM (cPGH3)

231 You do NOT want to know how many Americans can't find the US on a globe.
Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2023 05:45 PM (iziT

Hawaii and Alaska aren't just off the western coast of Mexico?

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 11, 2023 05:46 PM (4I/2K)

232 One grandson is in an electrical apprenticeship. Loves his job. His company is paying for his certification classes and he is supporting himself while getting his education.

Another's grandson is in a program to get his ASE Mechanic's certifications. One he finishes in 9 months he will be bumped up to $65,000 a year plus bonuses.

They will do just fine.

Posted by: Just Lily at July 11, 2023 05:47 PM (RLLZj)

233 There is one YouTube guy who goes to college campuses and offers $1000 cash if students can answer 5 questions. And they’re pretty hard questions about all types of subjects. And sure enough there are students who win the money.

He’s like the anti-all kids are stupid video makers.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:47 PM (KK6O+)

234 Immediately after college, she would start a rant, we would point out three factual wrongs, she would then google our asses on the phone ... and let the topic quietly drop.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 11, 2023 05:46 PM (HlyYF)
----

Heh, I've done similar with my lefty daughter.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at July 11, 2023 05:47 PM (2YtOq)

235 What the internet lacks is perspective and experience. And Dr Google cannot perform a physical exam. Unfortunately, Covid ruined the medical profession.

I still wouldn't google my symptoms. That's a very bad idea.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2023 05:35 PM (qMklK)

My MD told me to "look it up" and I tried to get another MD in the same office and got told they wouldn't let me.
Dickhead, I wasn't they guy with four years in residency learning to figure out what a rash meant.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 11, 2023 05:47 PM (xhaym)

236 One grandson is in an electrical apprenticeship. Loves his job. His company is paying for his certification classes and he is supporting himself while getting his education.

Another's grandson is in a program to get his ASE Mechanic's certifications. One he finishes in 9 months he will be bumped up to $65,000 a year plus bonuses.

They will do just fine.
Posted by: Just Lily at July 11, 2023 05:47 PM (RLLZj)

(Jump to top of page)

Fantastic

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:47 PM (NtVYv)

237 NATO told Zelensky to talk to the hand. No joining the club until he beats Putin.

To indicate how badly the war is going, here is a German general:

Collatz: “There are no German weapons in the Ukraine, there are Ukrainian weapons with German origin”
Journalist: “German weapons are tanks, they exist in Ukraine”
Collatz: “These are Ukrainian tanks, we gave it to Ukraine, they are responsible”

Not our fault! Not our fault!

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 11, 2023 05:48 PM (2tUFv)

238
Just because they have an MD doesn't mean they are competent.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2023 05:42 PM (/11g9)

So you've been talking to my PCP...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 11, 2023 05:48 PM (n+4am)

239 KELO. Bitches.
Take their Land. Use it for ANYTHING else.
Posted by: garrett

Fuckhead administrations can't even do a campus tour or graduation without "acknowledging these lands were stolen from Indians and covered with buildings built by slaves" (I said that in a soy lisp voice).

OK then. Knock down the buildings and sell the scrap for reparations, and give the land back to the blanket asses. No more commie indoc. Three birds, one stone.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at July 11, 2023 05:48 PM (zo0jB)

240 Just because they have an MD doesn't mean they are competent.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2023 05:42 PM (/11g9)

Picky, picky, picky. Hi Everybody!

Posted by: Dr Nick Riviera at July 11, 2023 05:48 PM (PiwSw)

241 There is only one solution: scold the American people. If we do not correct ourselves, we must be punished.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 11, 2023 05:48 PM (brAQZ)

242 They all collectively decided that going mad was the only sane response to... the country electing a man they didn't vote for.

So they killed every institution, flayed the skin off them, put on that skin as a skin-suit, and went around demanding the respect that the institutions they destroyed formerly commanded.

-------------------

They are not done yet, not by a long shot. Think of all the people who still have some regard for higher ed. They are now covering for president dementia and insisting that everything is just fine, great even.

Then you have the media who are now telling the country that child sex slavery is no big deal. I think the next poll will show that they have disgusted everybody except the academia and the media. Nice going.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at July 11, 2023 05:48 PM (3JfbU)

243 As bad as the election of Trump was, the reaction to COVID-19 was the final nail in the coffin, I think.

THAT destroyed trust in institutions like nothing else before or since.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 11, 2023 05:48 PM (BpYfr)

244 129 Yes that is precisely the correct solution
I also teach in a Title 1 school and have 34 years teaching

Posted by: MAxIE at July 11, 2023 05:49 PM (twxj3)

245 >>> Even Pervert-in-Chief Scott Weiner voted for it. He must have known it would fail in the Assembly.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 11, 2023 05:31 PM (RIvkX)

Why doesn't the "Public Safety Committee" support making child trafficking a felony?

Posted by: DJ at July 11, 2023 05:49 PM (uosPt)

246 Owners of plumbing companies or electrical companies, yeah they make a lot. Plumbers or electricians who work for those companies make a decent middle class income, but are by no means upper middle class.

But this misses the point.

If you are both good and ambitious, as a plumber you'll eventually get your master's plumbers license (or whatever your state's equivalent might be) and own your own business. And you won't have the college debt. But plumbing is still a good deal for the average plumber who's just going to be a gainfully employed and in the middle class. Those guys aren't choosing between (a) being a plumber and (b) going to college and later being CFO of a Fortune 500 company.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:49 PM (ppBhU)

247 Tucker On Twitter - Ep. 9 The Andrew Tate interview

https://ytube.io/3gfa

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 11, 2023 05:49 PM (aD39U)

248 The mass media can fuck off and die too

— Elric Blade-Despiteful Japanese Guy 2024

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 11, 2023 05:49 PM (tpemc)

249 "Another's grandson is in a program to get his ASE Mechanic's certifications. One he finishes in 9 months he will be bumped up to $65,000 a year plus bonuses. They will do just fine."
Posted by: Just Lily at July 11, 2023 05:47 PM (RLLZj)

The labor rate at the Aston Martin dealer for mechanics is $350/hour. When he gets his certifications, have him get a job (and the free training) at some exotic car dealership so that in a few years he can go out on his own and make more money than most lawyers.

Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 05:50 PM (VP9ao)

250 Short of a miraculous illumination of the conscious of all of these brain dead zombies we aren't getting out of this death spiral. Its the separation of the sheep and the goats, in real time. They want to live in a world that doesn't exist, and they think they have to destroy this one to get the one they want. It don't work that way. You can't get there from here, still breathin'. You gotta do the time here, and do it well. You can't spend all your time loving your sins and hatin your fellow humans and mocking the creator. You want to do that, well you'll get what your askin' fer.

Posted by: Its pretty simple at July 11, 2023 05:50 PM (sh1GZ)

251 Anytime I get called for a poll, I politely tell the caller that although they say they are with "Big Polling Org", I do not know that to be true. They could be my boss's sister calling to see if I have *wrong* opinions so the boss knows better who to cull next round.

Posted by: cfo mom at July 11, 2023 05:50 PM (Q8bDL)

252 Hi, Doctor Nick!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:50 PM (xTRSc)

253 A roll in the hay ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:43 PM (NtVYv)

Heh.

I hope not. I did not see her the weekend before her rash broke out and then she wanted to stay isolated when she thought it was shingles.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2023 05:51 PM (/11g9)

254 As bad as the election of Trump was, the reaction to COVID-19 was the final nail in the coffin, I think.

THAT destroyed trust in institutions like nothing else before or since.

Particularly the schools who continued to charge $50,000 a year for Zoom classes.

Posted by: A Provocative Parade Of Perverts! at July 11, 2023 05:51 PM (2tUFv)

255 In October of 2016, my primary medical provider mistook me for a Trump supporter and proceeded to literally ass rape me; after which I became an ardent Trump supporter.

Posted by: Marooned at July 11, 2023 05:51 PM (kt8QE)

256 My son has one more year to go in college. While he may have gotten some wokeness in community college, he mostly has escaped that in agricultural studies (Maybe a little about global warming, but not much.) I expect, God willing, he will end up graduating with a conservative POV. I credit that to being an introvert (The clubs he attends don't tend to wokeness) and the relentless indoctrination of good old mom and dad over the past 16 years or so.

It must be heartbreaking and maddening if your kids reject you if they are leftists and you are not

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 11, 2023 05:51 PM (Keyt1)

257
The richest guy on my block? Without doubt the insurance guy with the Russian bride. My block also includes a husband/wife pair of Physicians.

Not sure how much higher education is required to sell homeowners insurance. But 2% of a shitload of peoples premiums is still a shitload of money.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 11, 2023 05:51 PM (enJYY)

258
My vegetarian brother gets his "news" from MSNBC, thinks Adam Schiff is a patriot, drives a Chevy Spark, and wants to tell you all about it.

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2023 05:51 PM (v0R5T)

259 If you are both good and ambitious, as a plumber you'll eventually get your master's plumbers license (or whatever your state's equivalent might be) and own your own business. And you won't have the college debt. But plumbing is still a good deal for the average plumber who's just going to be a gainfully employed and in the middle class. Those guys aren't choosing between (a) being a plumber and (b) going to college and later being CFO of a Fortune 500 company.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:49 PM (ppBhU)

You don't even need to be a master and own your own business. Just have a master plumber/electrician on staff

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 11, 2023 05:52 PM (TZ75n)

260
If you are both good and ambitious, as a plumber you'll eventually get your master's plumbers license (or whatever your state's equivalent might be) and own your own business. And you won't have the college debt. But plumbing is still a good deal for the average plumber who's just going to be a gainfully employed and in the middle class. Those guys aren't choosing between (a) being a plumber and (b) going to college and later being CFO of a Fortune 500 company.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:49 PM (ppBhU)

I’m Not saying don’t be a plumber. I’m saying there’s a bit of of an exaggerated income potential for it. Yes the money comes sooner than college. But the lifelong potential is much smaller. On average of course since there are always exceptions.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:53 PM (KK6O+)

261 256 Fen, hopefully the venerable field of botany has not been infected with wildness. Best wishes to your son.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:53 PM (xTRSc)

262 They will do just fine.
Posted by: Just Lily at July 11, 2023 05:47 PM (RLLZj)
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Heh, oldest grandson is also an electrical apprentice but has decided to go to lineman school.

Middle grandson has yet to graduate but already has his heating and cooling certificate.

My youngest and her husband have done a fine job with those boys.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at July 11, 2023 05:53 PM (2YtOq)

263 I usually do not have baked beans with my hot dogs, I'm having baked beans with my hot dog.

Satisfied.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2023 05:54 PM (up/3i)

264 256 My son has one more year to go in college. While he may have gotten some wokeness in community college, he mostly has escaped that in agricultural studies (Maybe a little about global warming, but not much.) I expect, God willing, he will end up graduating with a conservative POV. I credit that to being an introvert (The clubs he attends don't tend to wokeness) and the relentless indoctrination of good old mom and dad over the past 16 years or so.

It must be heartbreaking and maddening if your kids reject you if they are leftists and you are not

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 11, 2023 05:51 PM

Looking at my family, and the families of several other conservative friends, the degree of rejection seems to be inversely correlated to how much family "financial aid" the Lefty kids still require.

The more worthless your degree, the more you still need some occasional emergency help from Mom and Dad!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 11, 2023 05:54 PM (HlyYF)

265 Dang. I definitely wrote that ambiguously.

She isn't coming back from her ideological shift.

The family is still all good. She is free to bring up political topics, but has learned that is usually a FAFO situation.

Immediately after college, she would start a rant, we would point out three factual wrongs, she would then google our asses on the phone ... and let the topic quietly drop.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 11, 2023 05:46 PM (HlyYF)

If her attitude doesn't change, she'll smile as they force you onto the trains.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 11, 2023 05:55 PM (BdMk6)

266 261 *with wokeness,* I meant to type

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:55 PM (xTRSc)

267 "Who Runs Bartertown."

Ace, in words of the Master/Blaster that should be "Who Run Bartertown."

Posted by: CtHillary, dead but dreaming at July 11, 2023 05:55 PM (zSyrn)

268 Beanie Weenie

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2023 05:55 PM (v0R5T)

269 I usually do not have baked beans with my hot dogs, I'm having baked beans with my hot dog.

Satisfied.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

Baked beans are an art form. They should start with some smoked meat the day before. Baked beans take longer than brisket, cause you gotsa start with brisket.
Here endeth the lesson...

Posted by: MkY at July 11, 2023 05:55 PM (cPGH3)

270 My block has a married lawyer couple who own their own firm. And a plumber ironically enough. But he’s been there for 40 years and bought the hose when it was practically free.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:55 PM (KK6O+)

271 @montec, the numbers about college earnings versus trades are skewed, at best, because the college grad numbers never take into account years out of workforce getting a degree and also don't factor in student loans.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at July 11, 2023 05:56 PM (2YtOq)

272 Fuckhead administrations can't even do a campus tour or graduation without "acknowledging these lands were stolen from Indians and covered with buildings built by slaves" (I said that in a soy lisp voice).

OK then. Knock down the buildings and sell the scrap for reparations, and give the land back to the blanket asses. No more commie indoc. Three birds, one stone.
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at July 11, 2023 05:48 PM (zo0jB)

But the Indians had slaves- the other indians they captured and tortured and frequently worked and starved to death, but also white women and children. (For the white men they usually just cut off their dicks and stuffed it in their mouths, while whitey was still alive, if possible. They also cut off noses , hands, scalps, eyes out and if there was a time, flayed the whitey.) Maybe these hippie dippy professors should be a little more specific about which Indians we're supposed to be honoring?

Posted by: LASue at July 11, 2023 05:56 PM (Ed8Zd)

273 Just because they have an MD doesn't mean they are competent.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2023 05:42 PM

I can cure you in 3 guesses.

Posted by: House, M.D. at July 11, 2023 05:56 PM (a3Q+t)

274 260
If you are both good and ambitious, as a plumber you'll eventually get your master's plumbers license (or whatever your state's equivalent might be) and own your own business. And you won't have the college debt. But plumbing is still a good deal for the average plumber who's just going to be a gainfully employed and in the middle class. Those guys aren't choosing between (a) being a plumber and (b) going to college and later being CFO of a Fortune 500 company.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 05:49 PM (ppBhU)

I’m Not saying don’t be a plumber. I’m saying there’s a bit of of an exaggerated income potential for it. Yes the money comes sooner than college. But the lifelong potential is much smaller. On average of course since there are always exceptions.
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:53 PM (KK6O+)

"The national average salary for a liberal arts major graduate in the United States is $39,349 per year or $18.92 per hour."

Liberal arts is the most popular major by far at 40%.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 05:57 PM (eYoxG)

275 Send young Jamal to a crab fishing boat or trade school, apprentice them somewhere. Save hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Noooo! Jamal has to spend 6 years on a 4 year degree to become a community activist and learn how to keep his old neighborhood poor while making shit tons of money working on solutions.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 11, 2023 05:57 PM (1MDmS)

276 Baked beans are an art form. They should start with some smoked meat the day before. Baked beans take longer than brisket, cause you gotsa start with brisket.
Here endeth the lesson...
Posted by: MkY at July 11, 2023 05:55 PM (cPGH3)

plus, smokey, brown sugar, onion, mustard, ketchup, vinegar........

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:57 PM (NtVYv)

277 I knew it when I was 15, why I checked out

Posted by: REDACTED at July 11, 2023 05:57 PM (us2H3)

278 @269

>>Baked beans are an art form.

Indeed, unfortunately, most people make them too sweet and not savory enough for my liking.

These are... acceptable.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2023 05:57 PM (up/3i)

279 Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:53 PM (xTRSc

Not from what he has told me about his studies.
It also helps that he has a grounded faith life and reads theology (My son is one of those who reads a lot about all kinds of things) and so isn't making Gaia or global warming or progressive politics his god. I sometimes have an inward laugh when I see his expression when the subject of pronouns or transgenderism comes up.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 11, 2023 05:57 PM (Keyt1)

280 Liberal arts is the most popular major by far at 40%.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 05:57 PM (eYoxG)

Do you want fries with that ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 05:58 PM (NtVYv)

281 @montec, the numbers about college earnings versus trades are skewed, at best, because the college grad numbers never take into account years out of workforce getting a degree and also don't factor in student loans.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at July 11, 2023 05:56 PM (2YtOq)

True. But as Insaid above the average student loan balance upon graduation is $35k. It’s not $350k which somehow became what most people think.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:58 PM (KK6O+)

282 It took my daughter 6 years to get her business degree, which she used for about 90 days working at a bank before she decided she wanted a restaurant. Luckily my son never wanted to go to college. He started accumulating certifications when he was 16 from Microsoft and other places. He got his Cisco certifications at 18. Just last month he accepted a new job working for the Mafia (unions, actually) managing a team that keeps their computers running. 200K/yr. plus a lot of benefits. Pretty good for no school.

Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 05:58 PM (VP9ao)

283 "The national average salary for a liberal arts major graduate in the United States is $39,349 per year or $18.92 per hour."

Liberal arts is the most popular major by far at 40%.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead!

Since you got the chart called up, look up lawyers. I think the average is somewhere in the 40's?

Posted by: MkY at July 11, 2023 05:58 PM (cPGH3)

284 269 Baked beans are an art form.

Don’t give CBD any ideas for the Art Thread.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 05:59 PM (xTRSc)

285 It's probably already been discussed but some Indian Chief wants Ben and Jerry's to give his people their land back.

Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2023 05:59 PM (iziT8)

286 Remember when every politician in the land campaigned on "We need to build a 21st Century Education System in this country!"

They stopped doing that quite a while ago. "We" must have successfully built a 21st Century Education System in this country. We did, very unfortunately.

Posted by: Gref at July 11, 2023 05:59 PM (AMIL/)

287 I’m Not saying don’t be a plumber. I’m saying there’s a bit of of an exaggerated income potential for it. Yes the money comes sooner than college. But the lifelong potential is much smaller. On average of course since there are always exceptions.
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:53 PM (KK6O+)

Well, not everyone owns a hedge fund and an estate in the Hamptons like you do, so I understand your position.

Some people like running their own businesses and having employees and doing things, so they can afford to go duck hunting and owning an RV. Every decision in life has trade offs, and where making good money by being competent means you can't jet off to St. Malo for a weekend, lots of people are willing to make that trade.

The oddest thing about the US is the millionaire who owns his own business and lives in a ranch style house in the suburbs next to they guy who is a programmer and the school teacher. They tend to be thrifty and not very showy and give a lot of value to the community.
There are a lot of them. They tend to work in trades, and own drycleaners and other "depressingly blue collar" industries.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 11, 2023 05:59 PM (xhaym)

288 My block has a married lawyer couple who own their own firm. And a plumber ironically enough. But he’s been there for 40 years and bought the hose when it was practically free.
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 05:55 PM (KK6O+)

I make 200,000 per year from home

Posted by: Sarah's mouth at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM (NtVYv)

289 If I could do it all again I would have become a fireman like most of my family.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM (FO8S3)

290 Collapsed?
That's good news!
It means we are that much closer to real collapse of the system. Only then do we have a chance to fix it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM (5MoTz)

291 Since you got the chart called up, look up lawyers. I think the average is somewhere in the 40's?
Posted by: MkY at July 11, 2023 05:58 PM (cPGH3)

Law major graduates in America make an average salary of $84,159 per year or $40.46 per hour.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM (eYoxG)

292 @272

>>Fuckhead administrations can't even do a campus tour or graduation without "acknowledging these lands were stolen from Indians and covered with buildings built by slaves" (I said that in a soy lisp voice).

Stolen from who? Like with a reverse mortgage?

If you don't have paper to the deed, then you don't own sh*t.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM (up/3i)

293 Engineering.

Posted by: Always in demand at July 11, 2023 06:01 PM (2H7D9)

294 The left still would have gone mad if Hillary was elected. Discuss.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 11, 2023 05:25 PM (1MDmS)

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Yes, even worse and sooner as there would have been nothing to stop them.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at July 11, 2023 06:01 PM (3JfbU)

295 True. But as Insaid above the average student loan balance upon graduation is $35k. It’s not $350k which somehow became what most people think.
Posted by: Montec

All my daughter's friends are well above that. Proud of my daughter that she is far below that.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 11, 2023 06:01 PM (TZ75n)

296
Good.

All of the specific considerations regarding colleges aside: this society is morally, intellectually, culturally, politically, and financially bankrupt.

Every institution needs to experience this, from our beer manufacturers, to our movie studios, to our universities, to our military, to our churches, to *everything.* The more people who #WalkAway and withdraw themselves and their consent from our society and its rotted institutions, the faster the illusion will be shattered.

And the illusion is all it is. Smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 11, 2023 06:01 PM (oINRc)

297 She finally looked online and thought perhaps it wasn't that. So she went to a walk-in clinic where the nurse practitioner figured out it was poison ivy.

Just because they have an MD doesn't mean they are competent.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 11, 2023 05:42 PM (/11g9)

Heh. My Russkie came in to work one day covered in a rash and was scratching like a fiend. I paid little attention until a day or so later he was worse than ever, scratching himself bloody. I said Stanislav, what the fuck is wrong with you? His wife is a doctor and she diagnosed him with a skin infection. I said bullshit Stan, thats poison ivy. How you know??? Because I've had it about 100 times.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 11, 2023 06:02 PM (pohLc)

298 There is some asshat on YT shorts telling young plumbers not to charge for their time, but to charge based on their "experience". Basically charge a customer $10,000 to snake their drain because you have the knowledge to do that and the alternative for the customer is to spend $15,000 having a new drain line installed. You "know where to tap" (harkening back to the ship mechanic story) so charge what you are worth.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 11, 2023 06:02 PM (1MDmS)

299 I live in CA so I'm telling my grandson to open a llantera.

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2023 06:02 PM (v0R5T)

300 lifetime income diff between HS and Bachelors is $1.2M according to this study.

https://tinyurl.com/yhrk2wft

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 06:03 PM (KK6O+)

301 I have a double STEM major BS but my current werk, after a long stay at home stint, actually only requires a HS degree.
It's low paying but I enjoy it.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 11, 2023 06:03 PM (vHIgi)

302 The national average salary for a liberal arts major graduate in the United States is $39,349 per year or $18.92 per hour."

Liberal arts is the most popular major by far at 40%.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 05:57 PM (eYoxG)

It's because liberal arts is so cool and hip.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 11, 2023 06:03 PM (BdMk6)

303
"Go to school. Go to school. Go to school."

Over and over.

That was the worst (and only) parental advice I received.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the HQ's Most Respected Commenter at July 11, 2023 06:04 PM (wGUI8)

304 Law major graduates in America make an average salary of $84,159 per year or $40.46 per hour.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM (eYoxG)

over paid

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 06:04 PM (FO8S3)

305 I make 200,000 per year from home
Posted by: Sarah's mouth at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM (NtVYv)

It's amazing how many people are now working for themselves and making great money. I ran into a couple at UPS yesterday selling exotic fish out of their house (I didn't know you just box them up and UPS them). Of course Biden wants to find every one of these small business owners and milk them for everything he can.

Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 06:04 PM (VP9ao)

306 @298

>>here is some asshat on YT shorts telling young plumbers not to charge for their time, but to charge based on their "experience".

Sounds like the guy who gave a quote of 12k to spackle some holes and paint some walls.

It's tough out there with non-commercial contractors, everyone is giving you there, I don't want to do it price and their actual prices.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2023 06:05 PM (up/3i)

307 The sun is out. I can feel warmth on my skin.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 11, 2023 06:05 PM (RIvkX)

308 300 lifetime income diff between HS and Bachelors is $1.2M according to this study.

https://tinyurl.com/yhrk2wft

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 06:03 PM (KK6O+)

Merging them all together is highly misleading. Workers in the trades make more than your average HS graduate, and liberal arts majors, who are a substantial portion of the college education, make less than that.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:05 PM (eYoxG)

309 If you don't go to school, you'll end up in a fucking TV box under a bridge.

Guidance counselors are useless.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 11, 2023 06:05 PM (TZ75n)

310 I totally lucked into my profession and wouldn't change what I've done over the course of my working life for anything else.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2023 06:06 PM (up/3i)

311 301 Greta has a STEM major in BS.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 06:06 PM (xTRSc)

312 There is nothing wrong with school, as long as it is useful and makes you a better thinker and teaches skills. Unfortunately that is no longer the case.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 11, 2023 06:07 PM (pohLc)

313 "Basically charge a customer $10,000 to snake their drain because you have the knowledge to do that and the alternative for the customer is to spend $15,000 having a new drain line installed."

Y'know, I think my response to a ridiculous quote like that would be "If you don't want to do the job, you can just tell me you don't want to do the job. It would be less insulting that way."

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 11, 2023 06:07 PM (ou9hh)

314 Unfortunately, no where is safe. The Left will harry us to the ends of the earth...for our benefit.

Democrats Are Disappearing in Rural America. One Group Is Trying to Fix That $500 at a Time...a program offering rural county parties and organizations $500 every three months is changing the way Democrats compete in predominantly deep red areas....those small influxes of cash have a measurable effect. In the 2022 midterm elections, when 72 counties were in the program, two studies of the group’s work found a 3 percentage point boost in congressional vote share for Democrats.

when you get run off the road or pelted with stones for being a Democrat or are refused service for being LGBTQ or non-Christian, I can sympathize with Democrats for not wanting to be in rural areas, even if it makes all Democrats more vulnerable in case of a Civil War.

If there ever is a Civil War, it won't be between Republicans and Democrats, it will be between Republicans and the U.S. Army. Guess which one I'm betting on winning.

In my bright-red rural area, Republicans really run up the score so they can offset the urban vote.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 11, 2023 06:08 PM (NCgXW)

315 every one of these small business owners and milk them for everything he can.
Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 06:04 PM (VP9ao)

Smart people make a lot of money in small business

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 06:08 PM (NtVYv)

316
They have pissed away their respect and prestige

On a business' balance sheet that is termed "goodwill" and it ought to be an asset. Congratulations on bringing deficits to even that aspect of an organization, leftist tools!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 11, 2023 06:08 PM (LqSxR)

317 300 lifetime income diff between HS and Bachelors is $1.2M according to this study. https://tinyurl.com/yhrk2wft
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 06:03 PM (KK6O+)

This is old data that applies to people who primarily graduated with STEM degrees opposed to HS blue collar workers.

Graduates from the last 15 or 20 years have a low percentage of STEM degrees and are much more likely to serving coffee to the HS graduate plumber.

Posted by: jwest at July 11, 2023 06:08 PM (VP9ao)

318 Musk and Bezos graduated college.

Zuckerberg and Gates did not,

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 06:08 PM (FO8S3)

319 And the illusion is all it is. Smoke and mirrors.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 11, 2023 06:01 PM (oINRc)

The problem is that all societies are smoke and mirrors, the question is whether everyone is on board or if a significant percentage are stealing instead of supporting the illusion.

Reality is that we can cope with about 100-150 people personally, and culture and societies based on cultures is a way to allow us to live and survive in larger units.
Most cultures collapse when the complexity is beyond the competence of the social tools to deal with internal stresses and external threats. Many of the makeshifts created to cope with emergencies are toxic in themselves and are used to steal even more. Some work very well which is why we have cities larger than Hattush or Rome at it's height.

Anyways, my rant, and my fears. Ignore it if you want.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 11, 2023 06:08 PM (xhaym)

320 Law major graduates in America make an average salary of $84,159 per year or $40.46 per hour.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM
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I'd like to see the mean, median, mode on that number.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 11, 2023 06:09 PM (ju2Fy)

321 If I could do it all again I would have become a fireman like most of my family.
Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM (FO8S3)

I would have been in the railroad like my uncle suggested I do.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at July 11, 2023 06:09 PM (BdMk6)

322
Sounds like the guy who gave a quote of 12k to spackle some holes and paint some walls.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2023 06:05 PM

Three quotes usually separates the crew who wants to screw you from the people who actually want to work.

You had enough wisdom to recognize the 'screw you' crew. A lot of people don't.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 11, 2023 06:09 PM (enJYY)

323 Merging them all together is highly misleading. Workers in the trades make more than your average HS graduate, and liberal arts majors, who are a substantial portion of the college education, make less than that.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:05 PM (eYoxG)
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Indeed. That number almost certainly includes a high percentage of folks in the low-skilled service industry, who don't make much. A skilled plumber/electrician/tradesman is worth their weight in gold.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 11, 2023 06:09 PM (BpYfr)

324 If you don't go to school, you'll end up in a fucking TV box under a bridge.

Guidance counselors are useless.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 11, 2023 06:05 PM (TZ75n)

Or you will end up fucking under a bridge in a TV box

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 06:10 PM (NtVYv)

325 Merging them all together is highly misleading. Workers in the trades make more than your average HS graduate, and liberal arts majors, who are a substantial portion of the college education, make less than that.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:05 PM (eYoxG)

It would be more interesting to pick a given range and ask what levels of education are in that range by percentage.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 11, 2023 06:10 PM (z/ifB)

326 I was told there would be no math.

Posted by: Ahem at July 11, 2023 06:10 PM (2H7D9)

327 Musk and Bezos graduated college.

Zuckerberg and Gates did not,
Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 06:08 PM (FO8S3)
........

FWIW
Zuckerberg is still popping his zits and Gates wants to blot out the sun.

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2023 06:10 PM (v0R5T)

328 314: those DU posts are amazing.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 11, 2023 06:10 PM (sAmhv)

329 Or you will end up fucking under a bridge in a TV box
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 06:10 PM

Pretty tough now with the flat screens.

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 11, 2023 06:10 PM (xdNDi)

330 Every now and then they tell the truth despite not wanting to.

https://tinyurl.com/4tyxtwar

I'm pretty sure this guy is an alien. Not a Mexico kind, an extraterrestrial.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2023 06:11 PM (ZLI7S)

331 I went to pick up a package from the post office a few weeks ago (had to sign for the package and delivery missed me at home, of course). Dude ahead of me picked up a box of chickens. Little baby chicks just chirping away. You can apparently mail all kinds of critters. I had no idea.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 06:11 PM (ppBhU)

332 Law major graduates in America make an average salary of $84,159 per year or $40.46 per hour.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM
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I'd like to see the mean, median, mode on that number.
Posted by: olddog in mo at July 11, 2023 06:09 PM (ju2Fy)

That sounds like math again.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 11, 2023 06:11 PM (z/ifB)

333 Ya know you can get chicks for free.

Posted by: Dire Straits at July 11, 2023 06:11 PM (2H7D9)

334 According to BLS, median income for a plumber is $60k.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 06:12 PM (TBDoT)

335 @322

>>You had enough wisdom to recognize the 'screw you' crew. A lot of people don't.

I build television production facilities for a living, I've created a couple of resource loading charts and fee schedules in my lifetime.

I have a fairly good idea what labor, materials and expenses should cost.

And 150 an hour to paint ain't cricket.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2023 06:12 PM (up/3i)

336 I love that IQ video where the cocky PHD!!! bich gets kjnocked down. Then of course they all knock the test after gigging on the Marine as being the least smart of the group. LOL.

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 11, 2023 06:12 PM (xdNDi)

337 Sounds like the guy who gave a quote of 12k to spackle some holes and paint some walls.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2023 06:05 PM

Three quotes usually separates the crew who wants to screw you from the people who actually want to work.

You had enough wisdom to recognize the 'screw you' crew. A lot of people don't.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 11, 2023 06:09 PM (enJYY)

I can do it, I just don't want to. I kinda decide, do I want to do this my self ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 11, 2023 06:12 PM (NtVYv)

338 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 11, 2023 06:08 PM (NCgXW)

So much projection so little mind.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 06:12 PM (FO8S3)

339 You know what else causes climate change?

John Kerry: War in Ukraine Contributing to Climate Change

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at July 11, 2023 06:13 PM (FVME7)

340 Ya know you can get chicks for free.
Posted by: Dire Straits at July 11, 2023 06:11 PM

They edited that song to take out the "little faggot got his own jet airplane".

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 11, 2023 06:13 PM (xdNDi)

341 292 @272

>>Fuckhead administrations can't even do a campus tour or graduation without "acknowledging these lands were stolen from Indians and covered with buildings built by slaves" (I said that in a soy lisp voice).

Stolen from who? Like with a reverse mortgage?

If you don't have paper to the deed, then you don't own sh*t.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM

Actually, I come to the same conclusion you do, but from the opposite direction.

The legal system governing who "owned" the land in the U.S. prior to 1492 was ... whoever held it by force of arms was the RIGHTFUL owner.

As far as I can tell, the colonists exactly followed the prevailing legal system.

(I kind of agree that it was an asshole system, which is why we NOW have deeds, etc.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 11, 2023 06:13 PM (HlyYF)

342
At some point, Disney leadership embraced a strategy of attracting a smaller but wealthier clientele when it comes to the company's theme parks.

Those in the know refer to this strategy as "The Pathway to Pedo Pride".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 11, 2023 06:13 PM (LqSxR)

343 I went to pick up a package from the post office a few weeks ago (had to sign for the package and delivery missed me at home, of course). Dude ahead of me picked up a box of chickens. Little baby chicks just chirping away. You can apparently mail all kinds of critters. I had no idea.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 06:11 PM (ppBhU)

Has to weigh less than seventy pounds, can't leak and won't burst into flames or gas everyone, see the list at the front desk.

We used to see people mail christmas trees to Hawaii in December. As long as they fit in the big totes they are cool

Posted by: Kindltot at July 11, 2023 06:14 PM (xhaym)

344 Not everyone is cut out for STEM, yours truly included.

So urging everyone to major in STEM stuff is just going to flood those fields with a bunch of unqualified candidates.

Now Pun Studies, on the other hand…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 06:14 PM (xTRSc)

345 I bet much of the difference in earnings is because of those who follow up a BA with an advanced degree. That's where the gap really widens. TWSS.

Posted by: LASue at July 11, 2023 06:14 PM (Ed8Zd)

346 324 If you don't go to school, you'll end up in a fucking TV box under a bridge.

Guidance counselors are useless.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 11, 2023 06:05 PM (TZ75n)

Or you will end up fucking under a bridge in a TV box
Posted by: Hatari
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Flat screens? That would take some flexibility.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 11, 2023 06:14 PM (sAmhv)

347 If you thought yesterday's outing with King Charles was embarrassing, wait til you see this:

https://tinyurl.com/5hf4b8rw

Posted by: DJ at July 11, 2023 06:14 PM (uosPt)

348 If I had it to do over again (not likely) I would go into electrical engineering.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 11, 2023 06:14 PM (MeG8a)

349 John Kerry: War in Ukraine Contributing to Climate Change
......

So why are we funding it, John?

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2023 06:15 PM (v0R5T)

350 There was a tweet from a farmer about how his son told him that he was also going to be a farmer. The dad wanted him to go to college and experience the rest of the world. I asked him,"If your son said he always wanted to be a doctor or a teacher, would you feel the same way? Maybe he just knows what he wants to do."

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 11, 2023 06:15 PM (ouTlx)

351 "All those “look how stupid college kids are” videos are so over the top they have to be staged."

I don't think they aren't staged so much as they are selected. They might do dozens of interviews but only show the clips of a few most cringe-worthy.

Posted by: Ripley at July 11, 2023 06:15 PM (KrJTL)

352 Law major graduates in America make an average salary of $84,159 per year or $40.46 per hour.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:00 PM
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What the heck is a "Law major"?

Posted by: LASue at July 11, 2023 06:15 PM (Ed8Zd)

353 293 Engineering.

Posted by: Always in demand at July 11, 2023 06:01 PM

Right-wing son is an aerospace engineer. He recently called me to help figure out how to max out his corporate matching and to set up a Roth IRA.

If I need a loan, when I am NOT receiving any money from Social Security, at least I know where to go!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 11, 2023 06:16 PM (HlyYF)

354 Per Forbes, median income for 25-34 year olds with a bachelors is $59,600. Same as the overall median for all plumbers of all ages.

And that’s my point. The money comes faster for plumbers but plateaus very quickly.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 06:16 PM (TBDoT)

355 344 Not everyone is cut out for STEM, yours truly included.

So urging everyone to major in STEM stuff is just going to flood those fields with a bunch of unqualified candidates.

Now Pun Studies, on the other hand…
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 06:14 PM (xTRSc)

Don't have to be that smart to be a doctor, lawyer, or accountant. Takes work and a decent memory though.

Similarly but less work, business management and marketing are pretty easy degrees.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:16 PM (eYoxG)

356 Not everyone is cut out for STEM, yours truly included.

So urging everyone to major in STEM stuff is just going to flood those fields with a bunch of unqualified candidates.

Now Pun Studies, on the other hand…
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 06:14 PM (xTRSc)
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I opted for a STEM adjacent field (Technical Writing) after basically flunking a STEM field (Physics). That combination of knowledge has served me surprisingly well as an instructional designer at a STEM institution.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 11, 2023 06:17 PM (BpYfr)

357 Intercepted DU Transmissions: "If there ever is a Civil War, it won't be between Republicans and Democrats, it will be between Republicans and the U.S. Army. Guess which one I'm betting on winning."

______________________________

It's always cute when leftists make this argument.

No, lefty bro, the most vicious fighting in that civil war will be among leftists fighting for the very little amount of food available in "blue" cities when red flyover country cuts off most of the food (and other) supplies.

Posted by: Bamanarama at July 11, 2023 06:17 PM (uH1aC)

358 I wonder how many college dropouts try to then learn a trade?

Probably very few. If you're so stupid you fail-out of college nowadays, you're too stupid to learn a trade.

If I was king, I'd require every high school junior to take an old-timey math, reading, writing, geometry, and manual dexterity test, like the ones most companies made propsepctive new hires take. Or take a US Civil Service test from the 60s or70s, along with a geometry or spatial reasoning test and a manual dexterity test. The get a new crop of high school counselors that work to steer the kids into college, a trade, or a 7-11 job based on the results. Yeah, I know. Impossible.

Posted by: Gref at July 11, 2023 06:17 PM (AMIL/)

359 Now Pun Studies, on the other hand…
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 06:14 PM (xTRSc)

To a degree.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2023 06:17 PM (FO8S3)

360 Pretty tough now with the flat screens.
Posted by: Minnfidel at July 11, 2023 06:10 PM

Hello, sailor!

Posted by: Brie Larson at July 11, 2023 06:17 PM (Wnv9h)

361 354 Per Forbes, median income for 25-34 year olds with a bachelors is $59,600. Same as the overall median for all plumbers of all ages.

And that’s my point. The money comes faster for plumbers but plateaus very quickly.
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 06:16 PM (TBDoT)

The massive surge in degrees has largely occurred in that population range (about to 40 or so). Someone with a college degree in the 1980s isn't in remotely the same position as someone with a college degree in 2023.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:18 PM (eYoxG)

362
There's a video on Youtube about how USPS handles mailed chicks and things.

The comments, as usual, reveal how ignorant MOST people are today.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the HQ's Most Respected Commenter at July 11, 2023 06:18 PM (wGUI8)

363 Montec - don't know for certain but would with a educated guess say that's probably right.

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2023 06:18 PM (xhxe8)

364 NOOOOD QUICKIES

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 11, 2023 06:18 PM (VWp7G)

365 Reading Irresistible Revolution, the brainwashing of the military is going on fast

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2023 06:20 PM (xhxe8)

366 354 Per Forbes, median income for 25-34 year olds with a bachelors is $59,600. Same as the overall median for all plumbers of all ages.

And that’s my point. The money comes faster for plumbers but plateaus very quickly.
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 06:16 PM (TBDoT)

That's a useless statistic. Bachelor's in what? There are a handful of degrees that will get you a good income, the rest are dross.

Plumbing is more consistent in income.

You're going to have to provide links to your data, this sounds off.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at July 11, 2023 06:20 PM (xcxpd)

367
The massive surge in degrees has largely occurred in that population range (about to 40 or so). Someone with a college degree in the 1980s isn't in remotely the same position as someone with a college degree in 2023.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:18 PM (eYoxG)

I specifically said 25-34 year olds.

Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 06:20 PM (TBDoT)

368 356 Perfessor, I considered going into technical writing when I went to college, as I was a language person with an interest in science. Wish I had tried it, though I did get to toy with it somewhat as a military interpreter/translator of Russian.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 11, 2023 06:20 PM (xTRSc)

369 They edited that song to take out the "little faggot got his own jet airplane".

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 11, 2023 06:13 PM

In my little slice of flyover country, I heard the unedited version on the radio the other day.

Frankly, I was surprised that one snuck through. Score one more for the "non-snowflakes"!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 11, 2023 06:20 PM (HlyYF)

370 The other thing I think the trades offer that a lot of ostensibly more prestigious jobs requiring college don't is stability. Recession, depression, whatever, people are still going to need to shit and are still going to want said shit to journey elsewhere. They're still going to need running water. Etc. And congress isn't going to be granting visas to foreign plumbers. A lot of office jobs are a hell of a lot less essential than imagined.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at July 11, 2023 06:21 PM (ppBhU)

371 367
The massive surge in degrees has largely occurred in that population range (about to 40 or so). Someone with a college degree in the 1980s isn't in remotely the same position as someone with a college degree in 2023.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:18 PM (eYoxG)

I specifically said 25-34 year olds.
Posted by: Montec at July 11, 2023 06:20 PM (TBDoT)

You're arguing they'll make more money later, the data doesn't exist to support that as of yet. Looking at older cohorts which have less labor competition to infer they'll grow into those wages is likely to be misleading.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at July 11, 2023 06:22 PM (eYoxG)

372
If I had it to do over again (not likely) I would go into electrical engineering.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 11, 2023 06:14 PM

I did a bit of electrical work before entering into computer programming. At some point in code writing it was slapping my forehead and saying, 'This is electrical wiring!"

Software writing was like stepping on an out of control treadmill. Fun for a while. Electrical engineering moved a lot slower and would have been better for me.

At a certain point I got off the treadmill and said, 'That's enough." I might still be wiring homes.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 11, 2023 06:22 PM (enJYY)

373 Fine, go see what the nood is

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2023 06:26 PM (xhxe8)

374

They need blacks to keep the griftcycle moving.

Posted by: Rev Dr Happy Hands at July 11, 2023 06:50 PM (dsdVY)

375 Then there is the entire medical profession. The problem with MD's is the first letter. It is upside down.

Posted by: FlimFlamed at July 11, 2023 07:24 PM (Un88n)

376 I trust the Churches that still celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass.

Their catechism classes for the children are first-rate too.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 11, 2023 07:56 PM (jgJfd)

377 I really enjoyed writing software and developing systems. I found professional fulfillment.

I could think in logical steps.

Most folks cannot.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at July 11, 2023 07:58 PM (jgJfd)

378 195
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What a pair of dunces I helped create, then turned over to PA State Universities. They weren't so damn dumb before they went.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
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Sent them to one of the jumped-up Normal schools, did ya?

For those not familiar with PA educational history, the state established a bunch of 2 yr Normal schools to train elementary teachers. In a process much akin to grade inflation, they morphed into 4 year "State Teachers College(s)", and then viola'! _Slippery Rock State University_ granting PhDs in things like Theater Arts Management. I'm being a bit snarky here. :-)

/0, don't give up on them. You don't have to be close, but stay in touch. My daughter was a parent's nightmare, but straightened out around 40.

Posted by: buddhaha at July 12, 2023 12:20 AM (Ua8yB)

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