<i>The Flash</i> (They/Them) Bombs; Disney/Pixar's <i>Elemental</i> Also Crashes

The Flash (They/Them) Bombs; Disney/Pixar's Elemental Also Crashes

The Flash, starring home-breaking, woman-choking, child-grooming "non-binary" they/them Ezra Miller has bombed even worse than expected.

It had been projected to open at $140 million domestic a few weeks ago. Just before release, that was chopped in half to $70 million domestic, which itself would have been a failure for a movie costing $250 million or more.

Actual first weekend take? 55 million.

A Disney news analyst, WDW_Pro, said the film will be one of the costliest failures of all time, and may lose $300 million.

Disney Pixar released the cartoon Elemental as counter-programming. It failed to counter-program. People largely just decided to sit out this stinker of a movie weekend. Disney Pixar's latest disaster made only $29 million, not even reaching the very low $31-41 million opening that had been projected.

"The Flash," a superhero adventure starring Ezra Miller, emerged victorious over Pixar's "Elemental" in a battle of box office lightweights.
This weekend's two new releases were once expected to ignite the summer blockbuster season; instead, both entirely missed the mark. "The Flash" stumbled with $55 million and "Elemental" collected just $29.5 million in their respective debuts. Both films fell short of already-low expectations. Worse, they were pricy endeavors, costing $200 million to make and roughly $100 million to market, so they are shaping up to be huge disappointments in their theatrical runs.

Elemental is now Pixar's biggest bomb, opening even lower than its previous bigger bomb, The Good Dinosaur. (Which I saw half of -- I don't understand why it was a bomb, it was really cute and touching.)

But there's no sugar-coating the debut of "Elemental," which landed by far the worst start in modern history for Pixar, ranking below some of its more forgettable attempts like 2015's "The Good Dinosaur" ($39 million) and 2020's "Onward" ($39 million). The animation empire behind "Toy Story," "Up" and "Ratatouille" hasn't been able to rebound from the pandemic, when several of its titles were sent directly to Disney+ and family audiences were trained to expect those movies at home.
It's been a difficult market for films with original stories like "Elemental," which revolves around the relationship between the two seemingly different elements of fire and water.

Great, another 100 minute lecture about "diversity" and race relations. It just never gets old. Ever.

And movie prices have inflated by almost 2x since The Good Dinosaur, so half as many people bought tickets to Elemental.

BTW, Pink News claims that one of the child characters in Elemental is non-binary. (Link to Breitbart.) I haven't seen the latest Disney Groomer Offering so I can't confirm that -- but Disney personnel have bragged of sneaking their "not-so-secret gay agenda" into every film, no matter how young the target audience.

Hollywood "journalists" are finally being forced to notice: Disney is in trouble.

Recent misses and low expectations for 'Elemental' beg the question: Has Pixar lost its magic touch? Perhaps the answer is that original animation is now a smaller business--one that can't necessarily support the unique culture and $200 million budgets that made Pixar great in the first place.

The speculation is that Pixar will have to make cheaper movies, and will probably not even survive as its own unit. It will likely be merged with the also-failing Disney Animation studio. They'll share staff and the name "Pixar" will just be attached to half of the cartoons, "Disney Animation" to the other half.

"The Flash" reportedly has CGI so bad it looks like it came from the early 2000s. Most likely reason: They realized they had a bomb on their hands and gave the order to do no further work. Just rush these unfinished, wonky special effects out to the theaters to try to lose as little money as possible.

You may wonder why DC didn't just cancel The Flash and get a tax write-off from it, as they did with Batgirl? Either Valiant Renegade or WDW_Pro explained why they didn't: because they had already pre-sold the foreign rights for The Flash, and so they were legally obligated to go through with the release. Otherwise, they speculate, Discovery Warner would indeed have just burned the film of the Flash and used the costs to reduce their tax bill. (Batgirl was just going to be an HBO Max release, so there was no pre-sale of foreign distribution rights.)

And on the horizon: the coming disaster, Indiana Jones and the Kathleen Kennedy Self-Insert.

A week ago I mentioned Doomcock's and Kamran Pasha's rumor that Disney might try to sell Lucasfilm. WDW_Pro had a good reason for why that can never happen: Right now, investors all kind of know that Disney is in trouble but don't know-know it.

If Disney were to sell Lucasfilm, which would have to be at a loss, suddenly they would have actual proof that Disney had run Lucasfilm into the ground. Yes, they kinda knew this, but if Lucasfilm sold for $1.5 billion, down from its original $4.05 billion price, investors would know-know it.

And then they would also consider that Pixar, bought for $7.4 billion, has also been run into the ground, the MCU, bought for $4 billion, is also producing very "meh" movies too.

And what has Disney done with its $70 billion purchase, Fox Studios? Almost nothing.

So the moment Disney confirms that LucasFilm is now worth less than half than what they paid for it, investors begin figuring that these other pricey purchases are also probably worth less than half of what Disney paid for them, and Disney's share value plummets on this new information.

So selling LucasFilm for $1.5 billion would probably wipe out $10 billion of Disney's share value.

That means that Disney has to hold on to all of these purchases just to hide their real (greatly diminished) value from the market.

Variety: "The failure of Disney's 'Elemental' and "The Little Mermaid' demonstrates how movies have not yet recovered from the pandemic."
Also Variety: https://t.co/mvrTzLsRze
— Bolt Vanderhuge (@GenghisKhet) June 18, 2023

Posted by: Ace at 04:33 PM

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1 first.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 19, 2023 04:34 PM (ncXxy)

2 Well alrighty then......Oh and disney sucks.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 19, 2023 04:34 PM (ncXxy)

3 Not boxed in

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 19, 2023 04:34 PM (jzzG8)

4 I had hopes for Elemental. Oh well.

Posted by: Preparing gp For Lazy Loading at June 19, 2023 04:35 PM (MvF+J)

5 I still don't understand why it costs so much money to make what is basically a cgi movie. You only have to pay a couple of actors top dollar and then everyone else works for scale. It shouldn't be that expensive.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 19, 2023 04:35 PM (ncXxy)

6 Variety blames the failure of Elemental on... the Pandemic.

I am not making this up.

https://twitter.com/GenghisKhet/ status/1670479126149443584

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 19, 2023 04:35 PM (9yUzE)

7 Running fast is the lamest superpower aside from telepathic command of all sea creatures.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 19, 2023 04:36 PM (RIvkX)

8 Will Hollywood EVER get off its "superhero" kick? For Chrissake, not everybody is 12 years old.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 19, 2023 04:36 PM (YqDXo)

9 How can you mess up the Flash? He's like Spiderman. I have never met anyone who doesn't sorta like him.

Way to go, ladies.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at June 19, 2023 04:37 PM (de2/z)

10 Lost submersible presser on now. Maybe it has surfaced -- so airplane search; and sonar; more vessels like subs [?] to come; 96-hour timeframe. Won't identify passengers -- five on the vessel.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 19, 2023 04:37 PM (Vwz3I)

11 The flash you want: Karen Gillian in her Jumaji outfit losing her top

The flash you get: Some comic book movie staring a pedo who is keeping a teenaged girl in his rape dungeon

Posted by: 18-1 at June 19, 2023 04:37 PM (lc5cP)

12 So is Ezra Miller the canibal actor or the p3do kidnapper actor?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 19, 2023 04:38 PM (RIvkX)

13 "Pink News claims that one of the child characters in Elemental is non-binary."

How can a digitally animated character be non-binary?

Posted by: fd at June 19, 2023 04:38 PM (iayUP)

14 Doesn't Disney have another cash burn ahead of it buying
out Comcast from their failed Hulu partnership?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at June 19, 2023 04:38 PM (3hSHB)

15 Nah, it'll be fine.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 19, 2023 04:38 PM (aD39U)

16 We've still got those little Mouseketeer girls, right?

Posted by: Joe Smirkypants at June 19, 2023 04:38 PM (v0R5T)

17 thanks, Victor Tango.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2023 04:38 PM (KRtlO)

18 In all seriousness, Puss In Boots the Last Wish
was pretty fantastic.

Posted by: Just my opinion, not a wall of text review at June 19, 2023 04:39 PM (sh1GZ)

19 So is Ezra Miller the canibal actor or the p3do kidnapper actor?

The cannibal guy was a halfway decent actor. I liked him in the Man from Uncle.

Miller just sucks in every way.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 19, 2023 04:39 PM (lc5cP)

20 I think Adventure Time did a much better job with the fire / water elemental romance story.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at June 19, 2023 04:39 PM (dwh5k)

21 i hate elementals, they're so stupid, and people are always trying to breathe life into this stupid idea.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2023 04:40 PM (KRtlO)

22 Another source:

TheBlaze @theblaze · Jun 18
Box office bomb: Disney's 'Elemental' animated movie about xenophobia, featuring its first non-binary character, could be Pixar's worst-earning opening ever

http://dlvr.it/SqscTM

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 19, 2023 04:40 PM (Vwz3I)

23 The press will never discuss how Disney wading into the culture war has hurt them. But parents around me do.

You know what those parents don't discuss?

How Disney winning a trivial procedural motion Ron DeSantis is totally Disney totally winning everything all the time like Vox says.

Posted by: bskb at June 19, 2023 04:40 PM (JfUrl)

24 I still don't understand why it costs so much money to make what is basically a cgi movie. You only have to pay a couple of actors top dollar and then everyone else works for scale. It shouldn't be that expensive.
==
I thought the same, until I saw the credits for One of the SPIDERVERSE flix. HOLY CRAP does it take a shit ton of people to make an animated/CGI type movie.

Posted by: Just my opinion, not a wall of text review at June 19, 2023 04:41 PM (sh1GZ)

25 the only good exploitation of elementals: The Fantastic 4.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2023 04:41 PM (KRtlO)

26 Speedy Gonzales > The Flash

Posted by: SFGoth at June 19, 2023 04:41 PM (KAi1n)

27 My precious immigrant daughter in law (legal) took the grands to see Elemental this weekend. She told me it was "a lot of BS about the immigrant experience". I like her more than my son.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at June 19, 2023 04:41 PM (oWBc3)

28 Hollyweird needs to do a remake of “The Born
Losers” with the role of Billy Jack played by a woman of color saving a shemale lady boi from being gang raped by a vicious gang of MAGA fellas.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 19, 2023 04:41 PM (R/m4+)

29 and Disney still has to come up with at least $9B for Hulu.

The ESG bankers are going to make the Mouse suck even more cock to be able to borrow that much.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 19, 2023 04:42 PM (aD39U)

30 "Nefarious" (2023) It's got its good parts and bad parts. It's suspenseful. I don't regret watching it. Not for kids.

Posted by: Preparing gp For Lazy Loading at June 19, 2023 04:43 PM (MvF+J)

31 Disney could do a remake of Man From Atlantis. Part of the plot could be him rescuing a submersible that is exploring the wreckage of the Titanic. How old is Patrick Duffy now?

Posted by: JROD at June 19, 2023 04:43 PM (IlL6s)

32 The speculation is that Pixar will have to make cheaper movies, and will probably not even survive as its own unit. It will likely be merged with the also-failing Disney Animation studio.

That sounds like a great idea! It can't miss!

-The geniuses who thought merging failing K-Mart with failing Sears was the path to riches and glory.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 19, 2023 04:43 PM (eOEVl)

33 "Pink News claims that one of the child characters in Elemental is non-binary."

No. No groomers here.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2023 04:43 PM (ga8qR)

34 Last pixar movie I was when I took my grandson Cars. He is now in MC boot camp at pendelton.

Posted by: Infidel at June 19, 2023 04:43 PM (0zJ6Q)

35 Whats really funny about the Flash bombing is ALL the cameos they threw in there. Deep Fake Chris Reeves, Deep Fake, George Reeves, Nick Cage, Jason Mamoa, Deep Fake Adam West, George Clooney, Michael Keaton, ect. It didn't help

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at June 19, 2023 04:43 PM (OgrpQ)

36 7 Running fast is the lamest superpower aside from telepathic command of all sea creatures.
Posted by: San Franpsycho
___________

Swimming fast against chicks when you're a guy is a "historic first" superpower.

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at June 19, 2023 04:44 PM (gf7Ez)

37 Can Air Elementals fly?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 19, 2023 04:44 PM (aD39U)

38 The overall problem at the box office, generally, is that there is no compelling reason to see most movies at the cineplex anymore.

Most people, not me, already have either a streaming service or two or can see these films via alternate means.

Also, superhero movie fatigue is a real and growing issue for these companies, and when you intentionally start to queer these movies, you're going to drive away all but the psychopath's and maniacs.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2023 04:44 PM (up/3i)

39 Disney still has to come up with at least $9B for Hulu.
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I don't think Disney is worth 9 billion dollars. I sure as shit woulnd't loan them 9 billion. Or even 3 billion.

Posted by: Just my opinion, not a wall of text review at June 19, 2023 04:44 PM (sh1GZ)

40 So I took my kid to see the Flash (I know) and it actually had decent parts. Mainly just seeing Michael Keaton as Batman again. As far as comic book movies go, it was above average. But I wouldn't tell anyone to see it in theaters.

But aside from Ezra's crazy legal problems, he's like the most annoying person ever. Just terribly miscast. Even before I knew anything about him I wanted to wring his neck. I guess the Flash character is supposed to be obnoxious, but it was just way too much.

Posted by: Blago at June 19, 2023 04:44 PM (dcfkP)

41 >Worse than Hitler?

That man killed millions of people, many of them during pride month.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2023 04:44 PM (44ww/)

42 You’d think by now that Disney would have figured out that “telegraphing” your sinister woke shit doesn’t get more people in the theaters.

They want rendered movie making into “going hunting with an accordion”

Posted by: SMOD at June 19, 2023 04:44 PM (FvYGR)

43 Yeesh! cartoons and comic book movies. It’s like Hollywood completely forgot how to make movies for adults.

Posted by: Ex GOP at June 19, 2023 04:44 PM (9xUq6)

44 put a saw in there

Posted by: Infidel at June 19, 2023 04:45 PM (0zJ6Q)

45 Die Motherfuckinghamsterfuckers, die.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 19, 2023 04:45 PM (ReKWQ)

46 i hate elementals, they're so stupid, and people are always trying to breathe life into this stupid idea.
Posted by: ace at June 19, 2023 04:40 PM (KRtlO)
===

*the Fifth Element has entered the chat and boy is she pissed*

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 19, 2023 04:45 PM (RIvkX)

47 thought the same, until I saw the credits for One of the SPIDERVERSE flix.
-

Just as a heads up for anyone who hasn't seen it, be careful with that movie. The girl spiderman (Gwen) has a "tranny kids are awesome" or something similar poster in her room, and folks are noticing that her dad wears whatever the tranny flag colors are on his cop uniform.

Apparently her whole section is all about how difficult it is to not be able to show your true self to people etc

Posted by: Have you figured out that the gay flag is a p3d0 flag? at June 19, 2023 04:45 PM (1Gqc2)

48 Indiana Jones and the Diarrhea of Destiny

Posted by: I Stand with No One at June 19, 2023 04:45 PM (osaBc)

49 They attached a short to Elemental - Carl’s Date from Up, which was a very good movie. Guess that didn’t help.

Posted by: Piper at June 19, 2023 04:46 PM (ZdaMQ)

50 i hate elementals, they're so stupid, and people are always trying to breathe life into this stupid idea.
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The writers should be fired!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 19, 2023 04:47 PM (Vwz3I)

51 Are you telling me Juneteenth isn't a bit blockbuster weekend?

Posted by: Simple Stevo at June 19, 2023 04:47 PM (lbYUt)

52 How much money do some of these companies need to shed before they wake up?

Answer: apparently, a lot more.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 19, 2023 04:47 PM (Q4IgG)

53 "Great, another 100 minute lecture about "diversity" and race relations. It just never gets old. Ever."

Even better than that, it is a 100 minute lecture on diversity and race relations by stick figures

Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2023 04:47 PM (xhaym)

54 https://tinyurl.com/bdhufww3

Disney chart of stock price.
I'd say it's already been taken into account.
Not that it can't go lower...

Posted by: MkY at June 19, 2023 04:48 PM (cPGH3)

55 >The girl spiderman (Gwen) has a "tranny kids are awesome" or something similar poster in her room

Acrobats in spandex cannot hide their gender.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2023 04:48 PM (44ww/)

56 At this point, they should cut out the creative and theater middlemen and just move directly to napalming huge piles of money.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 19, 2023 04:48 PM (eOEVl)

57 Anyone who claims to be non-binary is so mentally ill as to necessitate being tied to the train tracks during rush hour to cure them

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at June 19, 2023 04:48 PM (VTu1l)

58 There's a law of business that these "experts" have all forgotten. The customer is always right. Not in the sense of the common misinterpretation - this doesn't mean that the Karen at the retail counter demanding free products, an apology, and a pony should get what she wants.

This means that your customer is right about what they want from your product, and you, as an enterprise, will find the most success by giving them the product that best fits their needs and wants.

All of these people have convinced themselves that they are "tastemakers" and can condition people to want the product they want to make.

You can make a speculative product and see wild success, but that requires understanding your customer, and anticipating needs and wants they didn't know they had. If you look down on your customer, and see them as a subhuman in need of punishment, don't be surprised when they don't enthusiastically line up and pay for the paddle.

Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at June 19, 2023 04:49 PM (MIb2C)

59 i hate elementals, they're so stupid, and people are always trying to breathe life into this stupid idea.

************

The idea does seem watered down

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at June 19, 2023 04:49 PM (VTu1l)

60 @49

>>They attached a short to Elemental - Carl’s Date from Up, which was a very good movie. Guess that didn’t help.

UP was the last original Pixar film and that came out in 2009, everything has either been a sequal or something so repulsive, nobody wants to see it.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2023 04:49 PM (up/3i)

61 Even better than that, it is a 100 minute lecture on diversity and race relations by stick figures
==
that you have to pay for

WTF are they thinking?

Posted by: Just my opinion, not a wall of text review at June 19, 2023 04:49 PM (sh1GZ)

62 Thursday is the 82nd anniversary of Barbarossa. A national socialist going after an international one.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 19, 2023 04:49 PM (KAi1n)

63 Are you telling me Juneteenth isn't a bit blockbuster weekend?
-------------
The Babylon Bee @TheBabylonBee · 4h
America Celebrates Juneteenth, The Day Republicans Freed All The Democrats' Slaves
https://buff.ly/3wzYitb

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 19, 2023 04:50 PM (Vwz3I)

64 I wish I could boycott Disney movies but I already don't got to them.. Ditto Disneyland/ World

Posted by: It's me donna at June 19, 2023 04:51 PM (bs+z0)

65 No way Lucasfilm will be valued at 1.5 billion. Not the same, but twitter was sold to Musk for 43 billion. So look at that range if it was up for sale.

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2023 04:51 PM (V13WU)

66 Somewhat overlooked, especially for Pixar, the population bust in the target audience. My family (me, my wife and 4 kids) were certainly the target audience for Pixar movies. My oldest is 23 and youngest is 11. So we had kids near the entire time of the golden years of Pixar. I think the last that they saw in theaters was Toy Story 4. As we age, the chances of us paying to see a Pixar movie is near zero.

Ironically the last three movies we saw were all animation: Puss In Boots, Super Mario and Spiderverse. The Super Mario movie we only saw because we spent years playing the game and there was just no way we were going to miss the movie. The other two movies are much more adult oriented.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 19, 2023 04:51 PM (gwFMs)

67 56 At this point, they should cut out the creative and theater middlemen and just move directly to napalming huge piles of money.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 19, 2023 04:48 PM (eOEVl)

I would actually pay to watch that.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 19, 2023 04:51 PM (9UlRk)

68 24 I still don't understand why it costs so much money to make what is basically a cgi movie. You only have to pay a couple of actors top dollar and then everyone else works for scale. It shouldn't be that expensive.
==
I thought the same, until I saw the credits for One of the SPIDERVERSE flix. HOLY CRAP does it take a shit ton of people to make an animated/CGI type movie.
Posted by: Just my opinion, not a wall of text review at June 19, 2023 04:41 PM (sh1GZ)

This might be one area where AI actually means huge cost savings.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 19, 2023 04:52 PM (eYoxG)

69 When you believe others exist to fund your "important" messaging and narratives, you think you're above the business in which you work and its customers.

Posted by: TRex at June 19, 2023 04:52 PM (IQ6Gq)

70 As much as I like Michael Keaton's Batman I wasnt falling for the nostalgia bait (at most Ill just catch clips where he's in scene on YouTube)

The cameos were at the point where they were just morally evil, even so crass as to inject images of Christopher Reeves Superman

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at June 19, 2023 04:53 PM (VTu1l)

71 Die Mouse Die!

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2023 04:53 PM (xhxe8)

72 Soooo Kathleen Kennedy has been around at least since Raiders of the Lost Ark. How flipping old is this broad!? Also Kathleen Kennedy "self insert" [snort]>

Posted by: Mishdog at June 19, 2023 04:54 PM (YXEoM)

73 I'm here for the bomb and laugh at the bad casting.

Posted by: The Periodic Table at June 19, 2023 04:55 PM (453+A)

74 The speculation is that Pixar will have to make cheaper movies. . .

Has anyone in a leadership position considered making a good movie?

I dunno, just a wild hair up my ass thought. What do I know about losing $$$Ms on films?

Posted by: Tonypete at June 19, 2023 04:55 PM (mp9e7)

75 At this point, they should cut out the creative and theater middlemen and just move directly to napalming huge piles of money.
Posted by: Archimedes

That might actually reduce inflation a bit.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 19, 2023 04:56 PM (KAi1n)

76 Disney stock is selling for a hair over $91, about 41 times it's most recent year of earnings. The market generally sells for about 23 times, on average over the last thirty years.

If Disney were valued at the market PE, the stock would sell for $50 a share, a 44% drop from todays price. But, it may be worth much less than $50 per share, once you consider the uniform failure of these Iger-era acquisitions.

If you own Disney, you might consider selling the stock.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 19, 2023 04:56 PM (XMcgo)

77 Didn't Disney years back demand greater slice of the movie theaters $pie for showing their movies. They still getting away with that? Seems like they should pay theater owners to carry their dreck.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 19, 2023 04:56 PM (ju2Fy)

78 bomb=crash.
I effed up.
Le Sign

Posted by: The Periodic Table at June 19, 2023 04:56 PM (453+A)

79 The biggest problem I have with Peter Hotez debating Robert Kennedy Jr is that neither man has much of a neck. Hotez has that melon of his perched on his shoulders and RFKJR clearly has tailored shirt collars to allow him to wear a tie.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2023 04:56 PM (xhaym)

80 73
Has anyone in a leadership position considered making a good movie?

I dunno, just a wild hair up my ass thought. What do I know about losing $$$Ms on films?
Posted by: Tonypete at June 19, 2023 04:55 PM (mp9e7)

This idea is white supremacy. 😂

Posted by: Piper at June 19, 2023 04:57 PM (ZdaMQ)

81 Kennedy is 70.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 19, 2023 04:57 PM (KAi1n)

82 @24

>>I still don't understand why it costs so much money to make what is basically a cgi movie.

I was the head of IT for a post production graphics company, it takes hundreds of people and an extensive, gargantuan infrastructure to make CGI for motion pictures, even bad CGI.

You can control costs, if the movie makers have a concrete vision, but a lot of these movies have so many chefs that there is no concrete direction so, spend a lot of time making elements, doing tests, rendering a fuckload of images that ultimately will never be used in the final product.

Also, do not discount Hollywood accounting where 10 pct for the Big Guy was practically invented.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2023 04:57 PM (up/3i)

83 This might be one area where AI actually means huge cost savings.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 19, 2023 04:52 PM (eYoxG)

It will, actually, and probably in less than ten years at the current rate of progress.

You'll save time on voice acting (and time is money) - just pay the voice actor for a few lines and likeness rights, and deepfake technology will take care of the rest.

Once you have the artists create the characters (which AI can do, or be used to assist with) and the scenes (which AI can absolutely do), the AI will be able to handle all of the motion and action.

The biggest jobs for humans will be scriptwriting and editing.

Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at June 19, 2023 04:58 PM (MIb2C)

84 Love that video.

“I’m non-binary, please don’t touch my penis!”

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 19, 2023 04:58 PM (uKeRS)

85 The overall problem at the box office, generally, is that there is no compelling reason to see most movies at the cineplex anymore.

Most people, not me, already have either a streaming service or two or can see these films via alternate means.

Also, superhero movie fatigue is a real and growing issue for these companies, and when you intentionally start to queer these movies, you're going to drive away all but the psychopath's and maniacs.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2023 04:44 PM (up/3i)

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I said once before there are literally thousands of good to great movies that I've never seen before available for free or nearly free to watch at home. It's hard to justify paying inflated Biden movie prices for something that is most likely of inferior quality.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 19, 2023 04:59 PM (gwFMs)

86 I dunno, just a wild hair up my ass thought. What do I know about losing $$$Ms on films?
Posted by: Tonypete

This idea is white supremacy. 😂
Posted by: Piper

I'm part Sicilian - so, NOT white (according to Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walken).

Posted by: Tonypete at June 19, 2023 04:59 PM (mp9e7)

87 Kennedy is 70.
Posted by: SFGoth

He is a real G.

Posted by: Eagle Lips at June 19, 2023 04:59 PM (453+A)

88 I'm pretty sure every large scale investor can read the tea leaves and realize that Lucasfilm and Pixar have been run into the ground and have a much reduced value. Right now I don't think Disney would get 1/4 of what they paid for Lucasfilm, and maybe about 1/2 what they got for Pixar (which does have a lot of technical ability). Add to those messes the upcoming Hulu payout and the decreased attendance of the parks (except FL) and Disney may be fubar

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 19, 2023 04:59 PM (W1/AW)

89 When the TV commercial has more scenes of Batman than the Flash, you know it'll be a great Flash movie.

Posted by: mikeski at June 19, 2023 04:59 PM (DgGvY)

90 Love that video.

“I’m non-binary, please don’t touch my penis!”

I wonder if he's aware of the "This is democracy manifest!" guy.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 19, 2023 05:00 PM (eOEVl)

91 I get all my movies from the pawn shop. Can't beat the price

Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2023 05:00 PM (Cafpl)

92 I think the term "historic" is overused at this point. Or an excuse for extremism in politics/art/etc. Either way, none of it is actually historic, as opposed to, say, storming a beach in Normandy against impossible odds or liberating a concentration camp. Those things strike me as historic. Not a freak character in an animated film.

Posted by: Moki at June 19, 2023 05:00 PM (JrN/x)

93 Does it look like Lindsey Graham is morphing into Butt-Head?

Posted by: SFGoth at June 19, 2023 05:01 PM (KAi1n)

94 FYI, some clown with a pencil and a legal pad came up with the script for weekend at Bernie's. They made it for 15 million and it made over 30 million at the box office.

Posted by: Just my opinion, not a wall of text review at June 19, 2023 05:01 PM (sh1GZ)

95
I would go see an Annette Funicello CGI bikini beach comedy.

Posted by: Auspex at June 19, 2023 05:01 PM (j4U/Z)

96 Working to Disneys advantage is that Laurene Jobs inherited Steve Jobs huge stock position after he died. The Biden Junta will figure some way to get Disney government money, to help them through the next year of difficulty. Or, maybe Comcast will just buy the whole mess, as they tried to do once before.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 19, 2023 05:01 PM (XMcgo)

97 91 I get all my movies from the pawn shop. Can't beat the price
Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2023 05:00 PM (Cafpl)

I never thought of going to a pawn shop for that kind of thing. New shopping venue!!

Posted by: Moki at June 19, 2023 05:01 PM (JrN/x)

98 Losses 300 million.
Lots of 3's have been increasing popping up, but most don't even notice.
Le Sign

Posted by: Eagle Lips at June 19, 2023 05:02 PM (453+A)

99 Yea. Burn, baby, burn.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, gainfully employed again! But buy ammo at June 19, 2023 05:02 PM (xcxpd)

100 I watched The Gallant Hours yesterday. It's a 1960 movie starring James Cagney as Bull Halsey, and purports to show how he saved the campaign at Guadalcanal, and thus the Pacific War. It was actually surprisingly engrossing.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 19, 2023 05:03 PM (eOEVl)

101 99 Yea. Burn, baby, burn.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, gainfully employed again! But buy ammo at June 19, 2023 05:02 PM (x

Not doing it quick enough for me

Posted by: It's me donna at June 19, 2023 05:03 PM (bs+z0)

102 Disney will be just fine. In the fourth quarter they'll get a big push from their can't miss new Christmas Movie. It's an animated version of the Bride and the Burro.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at June 19, 2023 05:03 PM (z+89e)

103 My late brother was a big fan of buying DVDs at pawn shops. Pay a buck or two and take a chance.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 19, 2023 05:03 PM (vg8N1)

104 The biggest jobs for humans will be scriptwriting and editing.
Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at June 19, 2023 04:58 PM (MIb2C)

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Take a look at the Balenciaga AI stuff on YouTube. Very simple stuff right now but one of those creators demonstrated how he does it and it was all free programs taking like twenty minutes.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 19, 2023 05:03 PM (gwFMs)

105
I'm amazed that there are so many great novels that have never been made into films, but we recycle the same stuff and do increasingly feeble sequels of them.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 19, 2023 05:03 PM (MoZTd)

106 "Otherwise, they speculate, Discovery Warner would indeed have just burned the film of the Flash and used the costs to reduce their tax bill."

It'd still be a loss and a big one. You'd save on marketing expense but give up any revenue. You have to believe the movie really sucks to decide this.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 19, 2023 05:03 PM (RqMSv)

107 If Disney were valued at the market PE, the stock would sell for $50 a share, a 44% drop from todays price. But, it may be worth much less than $50 per share, once you consider the uniform failure of these Iger-era acquisitions.

If you own Disney, you might consider selling the stock.
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Put it this way, imagine what would have to happen for Disney turn itself around . . . its unimaginable. Get out now, while you still can.

Posted by: Just my opinion, not a wall of text review at June 19, 2023 05:04 PM (sh1GZ)

108 As far as I am concerned, Disney can die a quick death.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 19, 2023 05:04 PM (vg8N1)

109 Disney will be just fine. In the fourth quarter they'll get a big push from their can't miss new Christmas Movie. It's an animated version of the Bride and the Burro.

I can't wait for Nude Dude at the Bar Nothing Ranch.

(stolen from Nat Lampoon)

Posted by: Archimedes at June 19, 2023 05:04 PM (eOEVl)

110 Moki, they are a dollar and sometimes 2 for a buck.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2023 05:05 PM (ABjTL)

111 I still don't understand why it costs so much money to make what is basically a cgi movie.

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I bet part of it is the constant rewrites. From what I understand movies used to be storyboarded so you had a clear direction and script of how to put the movie together, which cuts down on expenses and bloat.

Nowadays studios throw darts against the wall and rewrite scenes and the scripts so many times it effectively costs the price of three movies just to make one.

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at June 19, 2023 05:05 PM (VTu1l)

112 uh-oh, if Disney keeps making less money, it may have to go Woke.

Posted by: Hands at June 19, 2023 05:06 PM (786Ro)

113 95
I would go see an Annette Funicello CGI bikini beach comedy

I only saw two Beach Blanket Bingo movies. My very favorite part was Harvey Lembeck as the motorcyle gang leader, ERic Von Zipper. Lemback was hilarious. Great comic talent who died too young.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke-the Mikey candidate for public office at June 19, 2023 05:06 PM (Keyt1)

114 Disney has been one of the Left's most important propaganda tools for decades. Its self-destruction would impair their ability to get their messaging in front of young children.

I don't know what I could possibly do to give them a shove, but I'm damn sure going to sit here and munch on my popcorn while the House of Mouse imitates the House of Usher.

Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at June 19, 2023 05:06 PM (MIb2C)

115 Pay a buck or two and take a chance.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse

Kinda like dropping acid.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 19, 2023 05:07 PM (KAi1n)

116 I would go see an Annette Funicello CGI bikini beach comedy.
Posted by: Auspex at June 19, 2023 05:01 PM (j4U/Z)

You want CGI Anette Funicello in a bikini beach
You will accept Bettie Page rotoscope animation

You will get Kenau Reeves in A Scanner Darlkly

Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2023 05:07 PM (xhaym)

117 110 Moki, they are a dollar and sometimes 2 for a buck.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2023 05:05 PM (ABjTL)

Dang, that's worth a look! How are you doing {{{Ben}}}? Abner had a cyst burst on his ear, and has to sport a bandaid. It's adorable!

Posted by: Moki at June 19, 2023 05:07 PM (JrN/x)

118 13 "Pink News claims that one of the child characters in Elemental is non-binary."

How can a digitally animated character be non-binary?

Posted by: fd at June 19, 2023 04:38 PM (iayUP)

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https://is.gd/CglSNm

Posted by: Ciampino -- Leave Poetry to the prose at June 19, 2023 05:08 PM (qfLjt)

119 The lost sub is steered by a PlayStation controller.

Posted by: Piper at June 19, 2023 05:08 PM (ZdaMQ)

120
i hate elementals, they're so stupid, and people are always trying to breathe life into this stupid idea.

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The idea does seem watered down

It's a gas!

Posted by: Phlogiston at June 19, 2023 05:08 PM (63Dwl)

121 For all I know a CGI movie should be cheap to make

Posted by: Skip at June 19, 2023 05:08 PM (xhxe8)

122 Who knows how much anything costs in Hollywood? Everything is rare enough that the price could be over or under by a factor of 5 and get away with it.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2023 05:08 PM (44ww/)

123 How can a digitally animated character be non-binary?

A binary animated character is presumably black and white.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 19, 2023 05:09 PM (eOEVl)

124 The lost sub is steered by a PlayStation controller.
Posted by: Piper at June 19, 2023 05:08 PM (ZdaMQ)]/i]

Did they try blowing on the game cartridge?

Posted by: Kindltot at June 19, 2023 05:09 PM (xhaym)

125 >>>The idea does seem watered down

>>>It's a gas!

so funny. /stoneface on

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2023 05:09 PM (KRtlO)

126 When the TV commercial has more scenes of Batman than the Flash, you know it'll be a great Flash movie.
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Well, they can't have the rest of the actors in slo-mo to see every frame including the Flash, can they!?

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 19, 2023 05:09 PM (Vwz3I)

127 If you own Disney stock, you do puts. Then, if it is cancelled, you keep the cash and do another put.

I know a gal that made good money doing that with Macom stock.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 19, 2023 05:09 PM (vg8N1)

128 I would argue streaming in general is not going to be profitable. And Disney's future is riding on it.

There's too many choices now, it's a race to the bottom. Consumers can just cycle through different ones month to month.

Everyone thought it was going to be Netflix where they had the whole market to themselves and no one would ever stop subscribing.

Posted by: Blago at June 19, 2023 05:10 PM (dcfkP)

129 I'm amazed that there are so many great novels that have never been made into films, but we recycle the same stuff and do increasingly feeble sequels of them.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 19, 2023 05:03 PM (MoZTd)

I'm annoyed at all of the superhero origin stories. How many times do we have to see variants of how Batman or Spiderman got their powers and learning to cope?

It has been calculated that by 2050, at the rate we're going, there'll be a Batman reboot every 20 microseconds.

There's no end of good superhero stories that can be told, but they're not being told, because everybody keeps going "Nah, I can do Chapter 1 better than you can!"

Friggin ridiculous.

Posted by: Cato, Post-Apocalyptic Scourge of the Seas at June 19, 2023 05:10 PM (MIb2C)

130 "The lost sub is steered by a PlayStation controller.
Posted by: Piper "

If they are still alive, the tension in that tube must be incredible. What a terrible place to be.

Posted by: fd at June 19, 2023 05:10 PM (iayUP)

131
If they are still alive, the tension in that tube must be incredible. What a terrible place to be.
Posted by: fd at June 19, 2023 05:10 PM (iayUP)

They can be part of the titanic tour... Too soon ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 19, 2023 05:11 PM (bs+z0)

132 Disney and Marvel seem to be sharing the same philosophy:

'Always leave them wanting less'

Posted by: DB - at June 19, 2023 05:12 PM (geLO8)

133 Best Flash was Sheldon. And Leonard. And Howard.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at June 19, 2023 05:12 PM (T/Lqj)

134 If they are still alive, the tension in that tube must be incredible. What a terrible place to be.
Posted by: fd at

They think they are stuck in the wreckage.

Posted by: Piper at June 19, 2023 05:12 PM (ZdaMQ)

135 If they are still alive, the tension in that tube must be incredible. What a terrible place to be.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Posted by: What everyone on the sub is thinking but not saying at June 19, 2023 05:12 PM (sh1GZ)

136
COVID was a botched-up American weapons program? Skulls. The Bidens take huge bribes? Skulls.

Honestly, stories like this deserve the skull more than the FedGov soap opera stories. These ones aren't scripted and telegraphed years ahead of time by the regime. They're of actual interest, not just stating what everyone knew a long, long time ago. Just my $0.02.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 19, 2023 05:12 PM (oINRc)

137 Bonk bonk on the head

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 19, 2023 05:12 PM (1eB3w)

138 It's an animated version of the Bride and the Burro.
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A Tale of Tijuana!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 19, 2023 05:12 PM (Vwz3I)

139 I would remind you that the CFO recently resigned. And she was instrumental in bringing Iger back. (lolgf)

They might be getting ready to announce something and blame her.

Poor Iger. First his hand-picked CEO replacement, Bob Chapek failed. Now his hand-picked CFO failed.

These people keep failing to position him for success!

Posted by: Oschisms at June 19, 2023 05:13 PM (0A5+1)

140 28 Hollyweird needs to do a remake of “The Born
Losers” with the role of Billy Jack played by a woman of color saving a shemale lady boi from being gang raped by a vicious gang of MAGA fellas.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 19, 2023 04:41 PM (R/m4+)
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Is Jussie Smollet going to be in it?

Posted by: Ciampino - A non binary fascist is a Not-she at June 19, 2023 05:13 PM (qfLjt)

141 I judge movies on whether they're "good of their kind." Comedy is harder to do than drama.

We rewatched Hot Fuzz with the family yesterday. It's outstanding for a black comedy, and actually has layered meaning. Direction is suberb. Budget was next to nothing.

Posted by: Ignoramus at June 19, 2023 05:13 PM (RqMSv)

142 Everyone thought it was going to be Netflix where they had the whole market to themselves and no one would ever stop subscribing.

Posted by: Blago at June 19, 2023 05:10 PM

The thing with netflix in my personal experience is you sign up during a promotion period and cancel as soon as your contract period ends. They will then send you more and more offers to sign up at a discount. Rinse and repeat ad infinatium.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 19, 2023 05:14 PM (ncXxy)

143
We rewatched Hot Fuzz with the family yesterday. It's outstanding for a black comedy, and actually has layered meaning. Direction is suberb. Budget was next to nothing.
Posted by: Ignoramus at June 19, 2023 05:13 PM (RqMSv)

We watched To Wong Fu last night being pride month and all... Still makes me laugh

Posted by: It's me donna at June 19, 2023 05:14 PM (bs+z0)

144 These people keep failing to position him for success!
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He's a glorified weatherman. Started believing his own BS and pushed his luck way too far.

Posted by: What everyone on the sub is thinking but not saying at June 19, 2023 05:15 PM (sh1GZ)

145 The idea does seem watered down

>>>It's a gas!

so funny. /stoneface on
Posted by: ace

I guess Ace will air on the side of caution, and give Elementals a pass.

Posted by: mikeski at June 19, 2023 05:15 PM (DgGvY)

146 >>>It's a gas!

so funny. /stoneface on

*********

ace dishes the dirt

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at June 19, 2023 05:15 PM (VTu1l)

147
Everyone thought it was going to be Netflix where they had the whole market to themselves and no one would ever stop subscribing.

Posted by: Blago at June 19, 2023 05:10 PM

Did they get anything from that $50 million they paid to Obama and Mooch?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 19, 2023 05:15 PM (MoZTd)

148 138 It's an animated version of the Bride and the Burro.
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A Tale of Tijuana!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 19, 2023 05:12 PM (Vwz3I)
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O no! Not the donkey!

Posted by: Ciampino -- A non binary fascist is a Not-she at June 19, 2023 05:15 PM (qfLjt)

149 Bob Iger can put me in charge of Lucasfilm. I'll start by decanonizing everything Disney did and start from scratch with a new Star Wars episode 7/8/9 that is actually planned out from start to finish, while going on a campaign to destroy all copies of Indy Jones 4 and 5.

I'd also bring back Lucasfilm Games, they had some great stuff there in the 80s and 90s.

That'd be a good start

Posted by: Deseret Rebel at June 19, 2023 05:16 PM (PJaTp)

150 One of our submarines is missing tonight
Seems she ran aground on manoeuvres
One of our submarines…

Bye-bye empire, empire bye-bye
Shallow water - channel and tide…

Posted by: Thomas Dolby at June 19, 2023 05:16 PM (R/m4+)

151 @142

>>The thing with netflix in my personal experience is you sign up during a promotion period and cancel as soon as your contract period ends.

The problem is that everyone and their mother now has a streaming service.

Nobody can afford to go to the movies, pay for cable, pay for a mobile plan and also pay for the ten or so different streaming services just to be able to watch everything.

Ironically, the streaming service is going to ultimately save the cable industry.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2023 05:17 PM (up/3i)

152 We rewatched Hot Fuzz with the family yesterday

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I watched that but couldnt get into it, the british humor just seemed too weird to me.

I also watched World's End which was even weirder, somehow they managed to turn a bar crawl mid life crisis angst movie into an alien invasion literal apocalypse

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at June 19, 2023 05:17 PM (VTu1l)

153 Moki, I couldn't be any better. Give Abner a scritch from me and big hug to you and yours.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2023 05:17 PM (EMXq3)

154 I'm making French toast tonight. Dad just suggested that this new Pearl Milling Company syrup needs a mascot and suggested "Mammy Pearl" and we all just died.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at June 19, 2023 05:18 PM (kjOVp)

155 @149

>>I'd also bring back Lucasfilm Games, they had some great stuff there in the 80s and 90s.

** Tears up slightly **
Looks over at copy of Sam and Max Hit The Road for The Amiga on yonder shelf.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2023 05:19 PM (up/3i)

156 Of late I can't tolerate seeing a movie in the theater.
I like my home theater situation. For one thing, I have a "pause" button. That alone is worth a lot.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 19, 2023 05:19 PM (MeG8a)

157 I'm amazed that there are so many great novels that have never been made into films, but we recycle the same stuff and do increasingly feeble sequels of them.

It's hard to do, especially for this young audience.

But remember folks, there was a time where Fahrenheit 451 was considered alternative. As was Starship Troopers. Many of you view this through a lens of "the current authority is good". A warped Reagan / Rockwell / Kinkaid frosted glow.

My point being, the current younger generations are honestly less counter-culture than you were. They're more conformist. You simply do not like how they conform.

Shall we go through the list of "all the great novels" that were not appreciated in their time ? Hell - The Great Gatsby was a public school favorite precisely because it pillories the wealthy ruling class of the time. It was not so warmly received when it rolled off the presses.

Posted by: Shame On Me at June 19, 2023 05:19 PM (vBjG4)

158 Behold my superpower:

*poops on the box office returns*

Posted by: THE FLUSH at June 19, 2023 05:19 PM (KFhLj)

159 Disney’s creative power ran out long ago and they have become an entertainment conglomerate. That’s all they are now.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 19, 2023 05:19 PM (tYTox)

160
Just going by the screen shot, here's my guess: fratty water bro is all rayciss on the flamers 'n' shit like that. But then he learns his closeminded flyover mentality is soooo 2018 and Trumpy, when he falls in love with the spicy immigrant fire broad. Then he has to check his cis privilege and be an ally when he finds out she's a lesbo. But it works out in the end because he decides to be his best self by going gay, just when she realizes she's actually a gay trans dude, and then she gives him firepox in a shocking, transgressive flame-on-water pegging tryst.

Fin.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 19, 2023 05:20 PM (oINRc)

161 Disclose.tv @disclosetv · 2h
NEW - Global "sex reassignment surgery" market revenue is poised to garner $3.2 billion by 2032 with a growth rate (CAGR) of 20.4% from 2023 to 2032 — Acumen Research

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 19, 2023 05:21 PM (Vwz3I)

162 In my recollection, the only content Netflix got out of the Obamas is some voiceover work set to some bland National Parks footage.

Posted by: Oschisms at June 19, 2023 05:21 PM (0A5+1)

163 I'm amazed that there are so many great novels that have never been made into films, but we recycle the same stuff and do increasingly feeble sequels of them.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 19, 2023 05:03 PM (MoZTd)

Brothers Karamazov 4. Ivan's Revenge.

Posted by: JmT at June 19, 2023 05:21 PM (Ey8kR)

164 I bought a copy of the Jesus Revolution. Well written and acted. Tells about flawed people and the importance of family. No sex or race swaps. No MESSAGE. just told a story.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 19, 2023 05:23 PM (ouTlx)

165
I'm amazed that there are so many great novels that have never been made into films, but we recycle the same stuff and do increasingly feeble sequels of them.

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I'm tellin ya'... magical realist treatment of the The Castle. It would be a great movie, that modern Americans could actually relate to.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 19, 2023 05:23 PM (oINRc)

166 Now we'll never get a six-film franchise of The Cat From Outer Space.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 19, 2023 05:23 PM (KFhLj)

167 It's been a difficult market for films with original stories like "Elemental," which revolves around the relationship between the two seemingly different elements of fire and water.

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"original stories"

William Shakespeare just dialed in from a Ouija board and said you can go f*** yourself.

Posted by: Azathoth at June 19, 2023 05:24 PM (wb1YC)

168 Hey anyone here wanna by my ticket to submerge to the Titanic? Real cheap. First offer gets it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 19, 2023 05:24 PM (EVR4i)

169 Of late I can't tolerate seeing a movie in the theater.
I like my home theater situation. For one thing, I have a "pause" button. That alone is worth a lot.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 19, 2023 05:19 PM (MeG8a)

Me too. Great TV. Great sound system, a collection of DVDs and Blu-rays that would take me years to get through (not quite TJM level, but pretty solid).

Last movie I saw in the theater was one of them horrible Star Warses, and I dozed off in the comfy chair.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at June 19, 2023 05:25 PM (T/Lqj)

170 The submarine didn't have enough lifeboats.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2023 05:25 PM (44ww/)

171 That's an underrated Thomas Dolby song.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 19, 2023 05:26 PM (KFhLj)

172 105
I'm amazed that there are so many great novels that have never been made into films, but we recycle the same stuff and do increasingly feeble sequels of them.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 19, 2023 05:03 PM (MoZTd)

People don't really read these days. The people making these movies don't have a whole lot to reference, and life experience in interesting things is down a lot. People write or make what they know, probably why so much fiction these days is about gaming.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 19, 2023 05:26 PM (eYoxG)

173 The submarine didn't have enough lifeboats.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2023 05:25 PM (44ww/)

lol

sad, but LOL

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2023 05:26 PM (V13WU)

174 Well this confirms that the whole get woke, go broke saying is wrong.

Hahahahaha.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 19, 2023 05:26 PM (VBswW)

175 Breaking911 @Breaking911 · 3h
NEW: British explorer Hamish Harding among those aboard submersible missing near Titanic wreckage, family says
https://tinyurl.com/4k5wz7pk

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 19, 2023 05:26 PM (Vwz3I)

176 I'm amazed that there are so many great novels that have never been made into films, but we recycle the same stuff and do increasingly feeble sequels of them.

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I figure most of it is because the folks involved already own the rights to them. Movies, toys, books, etc., no new legal whatever.

And folks will keep on watching, so why not?

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at June 19, 2023 05:27 PM (de2/z)

177
I want my expectations to be subverted.

First studio to make a movie that doesn't suck shit harder than an airplane toilet wins the race.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 19, 2023 05:27 PM (oINRc)

178 The “reboot” is nothing more than the final redoubt of the uncreative.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 19, 2023 05:27 PM (tYTox)

179 "Titan is the only five-person sub capable of going to the Titanic depth, which is half the depth of the ocean.'

'There's no switches and things to bump into, we have one button to turn it on. Everything else is done with touch screens and computers"

Well that is confidence inspiring.

Posted by: fd at June 19, 2023 05:28 PM (iayUP)

180 It's been a difficult market for films with original stories like "Elemental," which revolves around the relationship between the two seemingly different elements of fire and water.

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Is elemental the one about the girl getting her period for the first time, or is this some other similar thing?

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at June 19, 2023 05:28 PM (de2/z)

181 Kinda sad that the most original movie this year is "Cocaine Bear" and the future is so bleak that I think the Barbie movie may actually have some merit.

(Most of that merit is Margot Robbie)

Posted by: sharksauce at June 19, 2023 05:28 PM (l6DYb)

182
I figure most of it is because the folks involved already own the rights to them. Movies, toys, books, etc., no new legal whatever.

I'm talking about 19th century stuff that's out of copyright.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 19, 2023 05:28 PM (MoZTd)

183 What if that one button breaks?

Posted by: fd at June 19, 2023 05:28 PM (iayUP)

184 People don't really read these days.

I've recently started hanging out with some younger folks (mutual hobbyists). They listen to more books than they read. And they find books that are not especially hard reading to be tough going. It's pretty disheartening.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 19, 2023 05:29 PM (KFhLj)

185 Is there no backup button?

Posted by: fd at June 19, 2023 05:29 PM (iayUP)

186 176 I'm amazed that there are so many great novels that have never been made into films, but we recycle the same stuff and do increasingly feeble sequels of them.

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I figure most of it is because the folks involved already own the rights to them. Movies, toys, books, etc., no new legal whatever.

And folks will keep on watching, so why not?
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at June 19, 2023 05:27 PM (de2/z)

Well take the video game "Kingdom Come" for instance. Someone had the bright idea to go look at the history of a country and make a game out of an interesting part of it. Easy story that's pretty original to people.

Most every part of the world has been involved in wars and crises at some point, plenty of drama to work with. Easy to throw a dart at a map and then go do some reading.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 19, 2023 05:29 PM (eYoxG)

187 William Shakespeare just dialed in from a Ouija board and said you can go f*** yourself.

Again, memories around here are purposefully short. I loved Shakespeare, other than Midsummer Night's Dream, in high school. Wasn't one of those dicks that wanted to be in drama. But I know a good story when I read one.

Julius Caesar ? All fame is fleeting, trust no one, and the State can turn on you on a dime. Macbeth ? Sometimes, we find ourselves in situations where there is no right choice and we're all creepy. Romeo and Juliet ? Great play - turns out, we're all just kind of along for the ride depending on the choices of those around us.

Get this ... none of those were very popular amongst my Early Boomer and Silent elders going to church three times a week. Taught the wrong lessons. No wonder my public school teachers loved them so much and pushed them so hard.

Posted by: Shame On Me at June 19, 2023 05:29 PM (vBjG4)

188 Speaking of, I'll just leave this here:

"According to new CDC data [9.8 MB, 89 pages] released today, nearly 3 in 5 (57%) U.S. teen girls felt persistently sad or hopeless in 2021—double that of boys, representing a nearly 60% increase and the highest level reported over the past decade."

https://tinyurl.com/2zy5k7lq

57%

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at June 19, 2023 05:30 PM (de2/z)

189 The flash you get: Some comic book movie staring a pedo who is keeping a teenaged girl in his rape dungeon
Posted by: 18-1 at June 19, 2023 04:37 PM (lc5cP)
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The surprising thing about that was that it was a teenaged girl. Looking at Miller I would have thought young boy.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 19, 2023 05:30 PM (VBswW)

190 12k feet. Titanic and anything to do with it is cursed.

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2023 05:30 PM (V13WU)

191 The only two movies I am looking forward to are Oppenheimer and Dune 2. The former I am worried about because Nolan is the “X” factor.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 19, 2023 05:30 PM (tYTox)

192
Ironically, the streaming service is going to ultimately save the cable industry.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

Comcast & Spectrum Plan to Take on Roku & Amazon By Selling a Streaming Player At Walmart, & More

https://youtu.be/diVKGVNVpQI

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2023 05:30 PM (63Dwl)

193 Maybe if they hold the button down for 7 seconds.

Posted by: fd at June 19, 2023 05:30 PM (iayUP)

194 I lurve me some dieing mouse.

Die, mouse. Die.

Posted by: BifBewalski at June 19, 2023 05:31 PM (3CCua)

195 Now we'll never get a six-film franchise of The Cat From Outer Space.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 19, 2023 05:23 PM (KFhLj)

How about "A Talking Cat?" Cat voice-over by Eric Roberts nursing a fifth of scotch. As featured on Rifftrax. it's a true gem.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at June 19, 2023 05:31 PM (T/Lqj)

196 I wonder if our SOSUS Sensors heard anything?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 19, 2023 05:31 PM (EVR4i)

197 162 In my recollection, the only content Netflix got out of the Obamas is some voiceover work set to some bland National Parks footage.
Posted by: Oschisms at

They have been behind a ton of stuff on Netflix - movies with big names, cooking shows, historical films. I had no idea.

Waffles and Mochi. Michelle Obama hosts this kid's cooking show—along with two puppets, Waffles and Mochi. ...
Exit West. ...
Satellite. ...
Tenzig. ...
The Young Wife. ...
The Firekeeper's Daughter. ...
Great National Parks. ...
Ada Twist, Scientist

Compare and contrast to Harry and Meghan.

Posted by: Piper at June 19, 2023 05:31 PM (ZdaMQ)

198 The animation empire behind "Toy Story," "Up" and "Ratatouille" hasn't been able to rebound from the pandemic or the 'me too' firing of Pixar Executive Producer John Lasseter, but mostly the 'me too' firing of Pixar Executive Producer John Lasseter.

Posted by: Chuck C at June 19, 2023 05:31 PM (xttsV)

199
57%
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at June 19, 2023 05:30 PM (de2/z)

Teen girls feeling sad and hopeless? I should think that 57% is almost a low figure.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 19, 2023 05:31 PM (MoZTd)

200 I figure most of it is because the folks involved already own the rights to them. Movies, toys, books, etc., no new legal whatever.

I'm talking about 19th century stuff that's out of copyright.

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I bet that it's somehow not. Not really. I know that *technically* it is, but I bet that if you did a Frankenstein's Monster movie or something similar that some studio would sue your ass off because they really do own the rights to it somehow.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at June 19, 2023 05:32 PM (de2/z)

201 -The geniuses who thought merging failing K-Mart with failing Sears was the path to riches and glory.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 19, 2023 04:43 PM (eOEVl)
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Shop smart, shop S-Mart.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 19, 2023 05:32 PM (VBswW)

202 Sharknado 7 - let's do this!

Posted by: Ian Ziering at June 19, 2023 05:33 PM (4I/2K)

203 "What if that one button breaks?"

Funny you should say that. I just replaced my Amazon Fire Stick when the old one went kaput.
The new one is great, very speedy. The old one had a good run, I figure it is the original one.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 19, 2023 05:33 PM (MeG8a)

204 Of late I can't tolerate seeing a movie in the theater.
I like my home theater situation. For one thing, I have a "pause" button. That alone is worth a lot.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

For me, the greatest feature is closed captioning. I don't know if I am going deef or the background music to too loud or the dialog is too fast but CC makes a much better experience for me.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 19, 2023 05:33 PM (mp9e7)

205 Nood

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at June 19, 2023 05:33 PM (gf7Ez)

206
Is there no backup button?
Posted by: fd at June 19, 2023 05:29 PM (iayUP)

Upgrading to Windows 11.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 19, 2023 05:33 PM (MoZTd)

207 (Most of that merit is Margot Robbie)

I mean that alone is a decent amount of merit!

anyway yes all movies suck blah blah blah

A24 has kind of lost its touch too - just watched an older one which was ok tho - "Blackcoat's Daughter"? anyone see that?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 19, 2023 05:33 PM (w0NJk)

208 150: you lost ANOTHER submarine?

Posted by: Dr. van Pelt at June 19, 2023 05:33 PM (tYTox)

209 Teen girls feeling sad and hopeless? I should think that 57% is almost a low figure.

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Here's the number I was shocked by:

"Nearly 1 in 3 (30%) seriously considered attempting suicide—up nearly 60% from a decade ago."

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at June 19, 2023 05:33 PM (de2/z)

210 I like The Blackcoat's Daughter. Some good creepiness in that one.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 19, 2023 05:34 PM (KFhLj)

211 😅😅😅

Posted by: Eagle Lips at June 19, 2023 05:34 PM (453+A)

212 Even if Disney doesn't sell those business units but they have massive layoffs the market kinda notices that?

Posted by: TexasDan at June 19, 2023 05:34 PM (N2bQk)

213 The only thing I want to see is Mel Gibson 's movie about the Resurrection.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 19, 2023 05:35 PM (n4lOv)

214
AOS Corp needs to step in and provide theaters a G-rated selection of busty lesbo pron, endorsed by the National Association of Teachers and Randi Wiengarden.

I know there's a writers strike but this kind of content writes itself.

Posted by: Auspex at June 19, 2023 05:35 PM (j4U/Z)

215 Captioning is good, even if you're not deaf. For instance, we tried enjoying The Wire without it.
No good. I had no idea what the hell was being said at almost any time.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 19, 2023 05:35 PM (MeG8a)

216 I shouldn’t have been, perhaps, but I was shocked at how little young people actually read. And I thought it was bad when I was a student *cough cough* years ago…

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at June 19, 2023 05:36 PM (tYTox)

217 And what has Disney done with its $70 billion purchase, Fox Studios? Almost nothing

We edited a bad word out of an Academy Award Best Picture winner, hater!

Posted by: Chuck C at June 19, 2023 05:36 PM (xttsV)

218 >For me, the greatest feature is closed captioning. I don't know if I am going deef or the background music to too loud or the dialog is too fast but CC makes a much better experience for me.

On amazon some movies have an audio description of the visuals, for the blind, I guess. I was amazed how well they were put together. A little sigh or roll of the eyes, if it was significant to the plot or the character would be described quickly between the on-screen dialogue.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 19, 2023 05:38 PM (44ww/)

219 Hot Fuzz?

"Fascist"

"Hag"

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at June 19, 2023 05:38 PM (vg8N1)

220 Won't identify passengers -- five on the vessel.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at June 19, 2023 04:37 PM

Mr and Mrs Howell, the movie star, the professor, and Mary Ann?

Posted by: Chuck C at June 19, 2023 05:38 PM (xttsV)

221 not everybody is 12 years old.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at June 19, 2023 04:36 PM (YqDXo)

.....
Everyone under 12 in Hollywood...are officially now...12 years old!

Posted by: Disabled elderly pregnant child at June 19, 2023 05:41 PM (nakGR)

222 Ironically, it has never been cheaper for an individual to make a movie. Technology has lowered the cost of entry. Platforms like YouTube aren't necessarily ideal for 2+ hour long-form, but have been accessible for a lot of 20 minute short form work. I'd rather watch several free and interesting 20 minute shorts than sit in a theater for a long-form and expensive lecture.

Posted by: TRex at June 19, 2023 05:47 PM (IQ6Gq)

223 "According to new CDC data [9.8 MB, 89 pages] released today, nearly 3 in 5 (57%) U.S. teen girls felt persistently sad or hopeless in 2021—double that of boys, representing a nearly 60% increase and the highest level reported over the past decade."

How can that be? All media declares that girls are the smart, powerful ones and don't need no patriarchy. They should be supremely confident and happy!

Posted by: Brent Crude at June 19, 2023 06:13 PM (xOy5W)

224 What's going to make these movies hurt Disney even more is how they may have a period in the not too distant future, where they don't have content due to the writers strike and possible SAG strike, so having to dump two high dollar movies at once, and have them both fail, has to be an even bigger dick punch.

Hilariously there was an article out just the other day that was titled something along the line of "Disney's big win over DeSantis" which was actually nothing more than a poll, which seemed more biased than ever, and is proven to be biased based on how much Disney is shitting the bed.

Posted by: Rbastid at June 19, 2023 06:23 PM (zshnC)

225 I still don't understand why it costs so much money to make what is basically a cgi movie. You only have to pay a couple of actors top dollar and then everyone else works for scale. It shouldn't be that expensive.

Quality 3D art and animation is labor-intensive and requires a mountain of computing power. I work in video games and there is a palpable fear among the artists that even the current crude AI could actually do their jobs.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2023 07:23 PM (X4R3E)

226 I'm waiting to see a review from someone I trust before I watch _Elemental_ (and if they pan it I'll skip it).

I saw some user reviews on IMDB saying it's cute, family-friendly, and enjoyable. I also saw some user reviews saying it's bland, pedestrian, boring, Pixar has lost its magic.

I think the big movie studios have figured out that they need good reviews on IMDB and they probably pay for some to be put there.

Posted by: mr_jack at June 19, 2023 07:40 PM (LNPSJ)

227 How many 100's of millions will Dizzy have to lose before it dawns on them that they're doing it wrong?

Posted by: Ray Mota at June 19, 2023 07:47 PM (sw3xv)

228 #227 @Ray Mota

> How many 100's of millions will Dizzy have to lose before it dawns on them that they're doing it wrong?

I think that they may be at that point already. Doomcock reported a rumor that the CEO of Disney is setting things up to kick out Kathleen Kennedy.

https://youtu.be/AOjVvmCuy6o

And Doomcock is reporting just how dire Disney's situation is.

https://youtu.be/6tv0YWHXaG0

Posted by: mr_jack at June 19, 2023 08:09 PM (LNPSJ)

229 When Pixar was bought by Disney, its Disney-fication was inevitable. I saw signs of this in movies like "Brave", which could have been really good, but instead went for cheap laughs - and featured the first of a seemingly endless series of Strong Female Characters. Nearly all of the creative minds from Pixar's golden age are gone; Pete Docter is still there, but John Lasseter, Brad Bird, and most of the others are gone, replaced by mediocrities who share the Disney worldview. Alas. They made some damn good movies in their heyday.

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