DeSantis Insiders Say He'll Form Exploratory Committee in Mid-May; Trump Says He Should Drop Out to Show His "Loyalty"

Ron DeSantis may announce the formation of a presidential exploratory committee in mid-May.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is poised to jump into the presidential fray as soon as mid-May, four GOP operatives familiar with the conversations told NBC News.
One of the sources emphasized that it would be an exploratory committee, with the official launch coming soon after.
Some of his backers are urging him to declare as early as May 11, to counter the creeping national narrative that former President Donald Trump is the overwhelming front-runner for the 2024 GOP nomination. Others in the governor's orbit, however, have argued that that date would be too soon, according to two of those sources. All emphasized, however, that mid-May is the target.

Trump continues pounding his personal obsession, that because he endorsed DeSantis in 2018, DeSantis owes him "loyalty" in perpetuity.

Donald Trump's campaign has called out Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in a new TV ad for "attacking" the former Republican president and one-time ally -- and suggested the governor should drop out of the race before he even gets in.
"Ron DeSantis was struggling big time in his primary race for governor of Florida," says the ad's narrator, referring to the 44-year-old's first gubernatorial run in 2018.
"Polls revealed DeSantis was failing so bad, he was losing by a staggering 17 points," the narrator adds. "Then DeSantis was saved by the endorsement of President Trump.
"Trump's support was so powerful, just two days after the endorsement, DeSantis took a commanding lead and it propelled him to being elected governor."
The ad includes a clip from DeSantis' victory speech in November 2018, in which the potential 2024 GOP challenger says, "I'd like to thank our president for standing by me when it wasn't necessarily the smart thing to do."
"You're welcome, Ron," the narrator resumes. "Unfortunately, instead of being grateful, DeSantis is now attacking the very man who saved his career. Isn't it time DeSantis remembers how he got to where he is?"

As someone at HotAir pointed out, not only did DeSantis return the favor by endorsing and campaigning for Florida in 2020, but he also was a strong voice defending Trump on RussiaGate. One might wonder if Trump's endorsement of DeSantis was payback for that critical Russiagate defense. In which case, this was an act of self-interest, not generosity to DeSantis.

In any event, no one owes someone "loyalty" for life for a couple of five minute endorsement announcement. It's silly. There's a limit to how much and for how long someone "owes" you, even if he saves your life.

And I know this upsets people to hear, but Ron DeSantis did give Trump an open lane for reelection... in 2020. This is DeSantis' year. DeSantis isn't intruding in Trump's year; Trump is intruding in DeSantis'.

I know people keep saying "DeSantis should wait." Wait? You mean wait until he no longer has a high-profile job as governor? Wait until people begin forgetting him, like Christie did when he refused to run in 2012 and then discovered no one wanted to hear about him in 2016?

Wait until he's out of office and forced to take a job as a lobbyist or lawyer, which will then, no doubt, be used to tar him?

Wait until after he's left office and disbanded the team of loyalists around him who then are forced to take jobs with other politicians? Hillary Rodham created the Clinton Global Initiative to keep her loyalists paid during her interregnum. I assume no one is suggesting DeSantis do the same.

No, this is his year. Sorry, but 2020 was Trump's year. Trump doesn't get to keep on running until he wins. At least he doesn't get to do so with no one else challenging him.

Posted by: Ace at 05:20 PM

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1 Make room for the slugfest! I'm with whig; I'm out of these threads.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 28, 2023 05:21 PM (Keyt1)

2 1st..
Well I would have been if I hadn't fat fingered this about 5 times.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 28, 2023 05:21 PM (gUvIq)

3 am I the only one ( besides my wife who noticed it first) who feels that watching orlistening to Hannity is like being in "Groundhog Day"?

Posted by: Avi at April 28, 2023 05:22 PM (cBCwV)

4 Afternoon.

Posted by: Robert at April 28, 2023 05:22 PM (1Yy3c)

5 Yawn....We get it. You are a DeSantis voter. Okay. Carry on.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (89Sog)

6 "the formation of a presidential exploratory committee"

Some Indiana Jones kind of deal? Wear pith helmets.

Posted by: Minister Of Formica at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (MvF+J)

7 Re: Trump's loss in 2020 - Didn't Trump say (about John McCain) that he preferred people who win?

Posted by: 496 at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (2j34C)

8 There is only one choice.

Ramaswamy '24!

Posted by: Robert at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (1Yy3c)

9 Fenelon got a first.

And gave sage advice.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (xhaym)

10 What's left to explore?

Posted by: Just Wondering at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (DhOHl)

11 >>>5 Yawn....We get it. You are a DeSantis voter. Okay. Carry on.
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-8

yawn yourself. How do you think the rest of us feel with having TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP yelled in our faces in every thread?

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:24 PM (iHBZj)

12 Pat Paulson '24!

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 28, 2023 05:24 PM (sVtYq)

13 Who put the Ramaswamy in the rama lama ding dong?

Posted by: Just Wondering at April 28, 2023 05:24 PM (DhOHl)

14
As the kids say: One-hundred.

One-hundred, Ace.

That's cool kid slang for "100%," as in I Completely Agree With You.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:24 PM (XMGPZ)

15
I'm not picking a side in this. Let the American people decide like 2020 when they decided to re-elect Donald Trump - until 3 am when they changed their minds as they slept and toilets overflowed, and cardboard barriers on windows began to appear, and 15,000 Pennsylvanians marched back into the polls and rescinded their vote - captured on live tv in eight minutes time.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 28, 2023 05:25 PM (enJYY)

16 But what do I know?

Posted by: That Northern skulker at April 28, 2023 05:25 PM (VdGjU)

17 Trump Says He Should Drop Out to Show His "Loyalty"
-
The whippings will continue until his morale improves.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 05:26 PM (FVME7)

18
Ace was WRONG about Trump in 2015-to mid 2016, but he's right about Trump, now.

Trump is a LOSER.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:26 PM (XMGPZ)

19 (peeks in)
...
(Nope. Later)

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 28, 2023 05:26 PM (SKwOz)

20 Is that a first for Fen?

Posted by: dantesed at April 28, 2023 05:26 PM (88xKn)

21 the Community clip is kinda funny tho

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:26 PM (iHBZj)

22
Jeb/Liz 24!

It's the only thing that makes sense in this crazy world.

We'll pwnd the dems, or something.

Posted by: Auspex at April 28, 2023 05:26 PM (j4U/Z)

23 Re: Trump's loss in 2020 - Didn't Trump say (about John McCain) that he preferred people who win?
Posted by: 496 at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (2j34C)

oooh. Sick burn dude.

I still am enjoying the clash of "DeSantis is a CoC globalist Goon" versus "Trump is a Corporatist suck" and that they both apparently have sold us out already and are just short of having the wives bring in swatches for the drapes at their Dachas.

Also that for some reason it is DeSantis' turn and not Trumps. Probably from fairness.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 05:27 PM (xhaym)

24 10 What's left to explore?
Posted by: Just Wondering at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (DhOHl)

Rosa DeLauro's cooter

Posted by: Not recommending, just saying at April 28, 2023 05:27 PM (N2NOk)

25 *kicks dirt*

Posted by: Wish I could be a cool kid at April 28, 2023 05:27 PM (DhOHl)

26 Put me down for Anyone But The Democrat. And RINOs.

(Ok, no third parties, ok?)

So that leaves Trump and DeSantis. I'll eagerly vote for either one in the general elections.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at April 28, 2023 05:27 PM (xxG/v)

27 Have at Ron but no Republican will beat the fraud because no one has started to try yet

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 05:27 PM (xhxe8)

28 Personally, I'd like to see DeSantis stay in Florida for a couple reasons.

One - nobody is going to win in 2024. It's a shit show, whoever sits in that chair is going to inherit an awful country. Let the Dem's own it.

Two - let Trump do what he does. Let those who still love Trump sexually do what they do.

Let the cult of personality burn itself out. Not like they listen to logic or reason anyway.

Posted by: Hairy Handed Gent at April 28, 2023 05:27 PM (wvwzL)

29 26 Concur.

Posted by: Minister Of Formica at April 28, 2023 05:27 PM (MvF+J)

30 Holy crap the next Mission Impossible film is nearly 4 hours long... and its just part one.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2023 05:28 PM (0hOvj)

31 And I know this upsets people to hear, but Ron DeSantis did give Trump an open lane for reelection... in 2020. This is DeSantis' year. DeSantis isn't intruding in Trump's year; Trump is intruding in DeSantis'.

I thought we ended the "it's X's turn" crap after Bush II, sellout boogaloo. That's the Dem party at this point. I want R candidates to fight it out...they aren't owed anything, and will certainly face an unfair fight when they get to the general election.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at April 28, 2023 05:28 PM (NCgXW)

32 And in this corner, in the orange hair and abundant belly, Donald Trump!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 05:28 PM (FVME7)

33
This is why we lose.

A lot of you are "fans" of a particular candidate like their "your" "team" like the Cowboys or whoever.

Ace and I Just Want To Defeat Democrats. This isn't about being on "Team Desantis."

This is about Trump acting a fool.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:29 PM (XMGPZ)

34 Puddin' Fingers has been running for months.

Posted by: p-squared at April 28, 2023 05:29 PM (UxSB9)

35 >>Trump continues pounding his personal obsession, that because he endorsed DeSantis in 2018, DeSantis owes him "loyalty" in perpetuity.

Obviously Trump doesn't say this stuff because he believes it, but he says it because some voters believe it and Trump thinks that will help dissuade DeSantis.

(or maybe Trump does believe it, i don't know.)

Posted by: Willie (played by B. B. Thorton) at April 28, 2023 05:29 PM (Cpxov)

36 It's my turn.

Posted by: Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife at April 28, 2023 05:29 PM (DhOHl)

37 I don't know that you should be making such a divisive post on a Friday and National Beaver Day, Ace.

[See yesterday's Café comments and this morning's EMT comments for details.]

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at April 28, 2023 05:29 PM (Vwz3I)

38 Rosa DeLauro's cooter
Posted by: Not recommending, just saying at April 28, 2023 05:27 PM (N2NOk)

LOL, who's volunteering for *that*?

Posted by: Jordan61 at April 28, 2023 05:29 PM (uIEtm)

39 Test post because all previous attempts have failed. If this succeeds, there will be another substantive post from in short order.

Posted by: Cowboy Wally at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (n5SXK)

40 Relax Ace. Yelling something in your face is not a guarantee of anything except pissing you off. These two will face off in the primary. If the base is tired of Trump then DeSantis is in. If the base still feels that Trump is the best bet then he is in. Until then I don't pay any attention to the bomb throwing by either candidate.

Posted by: FrankinTexas at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (kPWr2)

41 I'll vote for whomever is the nominee. I like both.
Yes, I personally feel that Trump should get the shot in '24 --not because Ron DeSantis "owes" him, but because Trump is old, was fucked out of his second term in 2020 and DeSantis has what Trump doesn't have, TIME.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (mR6Gs)

42 Sorry not the Mission Impossible film, its the next Transformers movie: 220 minutes long. I just cannot even imagine watching that much Transformers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (0hOvj)

43 There is no loyalty in politics.

Posted by: Bosk at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (VMFAF)

44 Trump will ruin one more election for us. We made a deal with the devil now we’re paying for it. I plan to vote third-party if he is a nominee.

I don’t want him running again in 2028 after he loses. He needs a landslide loss before him and his supporters get the hint.

We let Trump blow two elections for us, I’m not gonna be part of letting him ruin a third to feed his ego.

Posted by: Audio at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (PGW0J)

45 fuck loyalty to trump.

who in the gop is loyal to the base?

who will say J6 was a fedsurrection?

who will pardon everyone?

who will send j6 fedsurrection schemers to jail?

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (MLrvz)

46 trump needs to stop with the negative campaign stuff. He won in 2016 because he mostly put himself above the others in the primary by saying what he was going to accomplish if he was elected president. He ran on make America great again and won on that, but he is not doing that this time around. He can hammer joe biden's record 24/7 and win handily that way but he is not doing that, instead he is spending his time and money hammering desantis.

His ego is getting in the way and the "I am ahead and will not participate in any debate" stance is problematic. It literally gives joe biden a get out of jail free card on debating whoever wins the republican primary and he is going to use that card.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (ncXxy)

47 >>>(or maybe Trump does believe it, i don't know.)

I think he believes it. Everything is seen as "loyal to Trump" or "disloyal to Trump."

Even Democrats can get a nice little mention if they just "say very nice things" about Trump.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (iHBZj)

48 I just want to have a president who will rescue out country.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (goJt/)

49 33
Ace and I Just Want To Defeat Democrats. This isn't about being on "Team Desantis."
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:29 PM

Exactly! Vote Red no matter, uh....who?
Please clap.

Posted by: Team Jeb! at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (NCgXW)

50 who is going to deport EVERYONE?

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (MLrvz)

51 30 Holy crap the next Mission Impossible film is nearly 4 hours long... and its just part one.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2023 05:28 PM (0hOvj)

The rumor is that it's still to be cut down more...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (exHjb)

52 no one. that's who.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (MLrvz)

53 More catnip for DeathSantis fanboys and Trump haters. Wake me when DS actually announces he’s running. Until then this is a homo circle-jerk. Full disclosure: I like DS. I just don’t think any of this means diddly squat until he announces (assuming he does announce).

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (rDmJZ)

54 My long stated opinion is DeSantis should wait because if he's the nominee a high percentage of Trump advocates will be staying home making a slight chance to win for any GOP nominee , impossible.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (ZB6WQ)

55 Today the CA legislature passed Bill Number 666 addressing the Dog Shit Pollution problem in CA. Once it arrives at my desk I will sign it to end Dog Shit's Contribution to Global Warming. Dog Shit contributes to 0.00000000000000000006 % of all Greenhouse Emissions in CA.

Posted by: Gavin Nutbag, Governor of the Peoples Republic of Californica at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (X++p7)

56 47 >>>(or maybe Trump does believe it, i don't know.)

I think he believes it. Everything is seen as "loyal to Trump" or "disloyal to Trump."

Even Democrats can get a nice little mention if they just "say very nice things" about Trump.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (iHBZj)

100% agree.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (exHjb)

57 5 Yawn....We get it. You are a DeSantis voter. Okay. Carry on.
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (89Sog)
----
"Shut up," he explained.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (ssESX)

58 Ace and I Just Want To Defeat Democrats. This isn't about being on "Team Desantis."

This is about Trump acting a fool.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:29 PM (XMGPZ)

Ya' ain't gonna win with someone who isn't campaigning
and, at the moment, it is the choice between Trump and Pence and somebody I can't remember and apparently no one else can either.

This may change, it probably will. I doubt I will ever remember the name of the third guy though.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (xhaym)

59 I just want to have a president who will rescue out country.

That's not going to happen. We cannot appeal to big daddy president to fix everything. Even if he had the power and political capital to do it, they cannot. We have to fix it ourselves.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM (0hOvj)

60
Well, both Trump and DeSantis will be under federal indictment and opposing a dozen private lawsuits each by fall of 24, so restoring our norms with CRIMINALS is a non-starter.

Posted by: Auspex at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (j4U/Z)

61 @23: I'm saying that Trump should understand that people move on from losers. Steal or no steal, Trump isn't president. And although I'd vote for him again, and I think we need him back in the white house, the fact is he did his brand a lot of damage with the way he challenged the 2020 results and then poisoned the well in the GA senate runoff.

I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm pretty sure his time has passed and he's screwing things up for the future.

Posted by: 496 at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (uCHmd)

62 Even Democrats can get a nice little mention if they just "say very nice things" about Trump.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (iHBZj)

The Democrats could have had Trump eating out of their hand if they kissed his ass after he was elected.
Trump loves to deal, and he would have given them a sweetheart of a deal.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (mR6Gs)

63 'A lot of you are "fans" of a particular candidate like their "your" "team" like the Cowboys or whoever.'

This is a pitfall we must avoid. Politicians are tools. They're only 'loyal' until they're not. Do not idolize or lionize them. Do not crawl over broken glass for them; they would NEVER do the same for you.

When the tool breaks or bends, do not be ashamed to discard it. We are lucky to have at least two tools that are better than the Democrat's tools.

Posted by: Minister Of Formica at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (MvF+J)

64 I will absolutely vote for the nomination but my vote will be wasted by 2 fraud votes against my 1

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (xhxe8)

65 Yeah, fuck "loyalty". Save that shit for the hivemind people. You want another shot, you can damn well earn it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (9UlRk)

66 >>>DeSantis has what Trump doesn't have, TIME.

I disagree. years are eternities in politics. In six years, will anyone remember that DeSantis was brave in the face of the government's demands to lockdown? NO: the country will have moved on, and everyone will claim they were against the lockdowns.

you're not telling DeSantis to not run in 2024; you're basically telling him to give up on being president forever.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (iHBZj)

67 Ace and I Just Want To Defeat Democrats. This isn't about being on "Team Desantis."

This is about Trump acting a fool.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:29 PM (XMGPZ)

Can we put that 1st line as the new title of this blog...

"I Just Want to Defeat Democrats/Uniparty." That's it...that's what we are here for. Well, that and the Sunday Food Thread.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (exHjb)

68 A four hour MI movie? That must be a long fuse.

Posted by: dantesed at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (88xKn)

69
Trump lucked into the presidency, and then squandered it. He let the Democrats and Republican Shits repeatedly derail his presidency and this country.

He has learned Nothing since 2020. Nothing.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:33 PM (XMGPZ)

70 45 fuck loyalty to trump.

who will say J6 was a fedsurrection?

who will pardon everyone?
Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM

Uh...not Trump? He had the opportunity, and let them rot.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at April 28, 2023 05:33 PM (NCgXW)

71 10 What's left to explore?
Posted by: Just Wondering at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (DhOHl)

Rosa DeLauro's cooter
Posted by: Not recommending, just saying at April 28, 2023 05:27 PM (N2NOk)

Another Lost Gold Mine adventure? I'm in!

Posted by: Allan Quatermain at April 28, 2023 05:33 PM (4I/2K)

72 I'm all in for Trump. Got a bad feeling about my governor.

Still, I respect Ace immensely. And I'm with Fen. Not going to argue with anyone about their, or my, choice in the matter.

I don't believe Trump can win outside divine intervention, and even if he does, don't think he can touch the State Mafia without even further divine intervention, on top of I don't believe God is in a pour-blessings-on-America kind of mood anyway. Kinda the opposite mood is the vibe I'm getting.

Still voting Trump in the primary, and acting like my vote matters.

Assuming he's not taken out with lawfare or otherwise first.

That's really all I got to say.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at April 28, 2023 05:33 PM (iKBwy)

73 Who put the Ramaswamy in the rama lama ding dong?
Posted by: Just Wondering at April 28, 2023 05:24 PM (DhOHl)
.......

Kamalama.

Posted by: wth at April 28, 2023 05:33 PM (v0R5T)

74 Am I misremembering or did Obama jump the line and defeat Hillary in 2008 or did he choose to defer to the more "deserving" elder statesman?

Posted by: JT Smith at April 28, 2023 05:34 PM (FxdZx)

75
Even Democrats can get a nice little mention if they just "say very nice things" about Trump.
Posted by: ace

Very true, but does he do that because he thinks to himself "maybe I was wrong about that Democrat, he's not such a bad guy after all!"

Or does he do it to encourage other people to say nice things about him. I mean, this is not even 3d chess. This is checkers. Forget what people say and look at why they say it.

Posted by: Willie (played by B. B. Thorton) at April 28, 2023 05:34 PM (Cpxov)

76 I loved Community but I don't recall that one.

Was it internet only??

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at April 28, 2023 05:34 PM (Vwz3I)

77 If Trump expects loyalty he should buy a dog.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2023 05:34 PM (aD39U)

78 yawn yourself. How do you think the rest of us feel with having TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP yelled in our faces in every thread?

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:24 PM (iHBZj)

Now you know how a very few of us felt having cruz thrown at us every thread until he was finally knocked out.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at April 28, 2023 05:34 PM (89Sog)

79 who will pardon everyone?
Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM

Uh...not Trump? He

//////////

honestly, not anyone had any idea how vicious and brutal the Biden DOJ would be.

complete fash.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:34 PM (MLrvz)

80 I disagree. years are eternities in politics. In six years, will anyone remember that DeSantis was brave in the face of the government's demands to lockdown? NO: the country will have moved on, and everyone will claim they were against the lockdowns.

you're not telling DeSantis to not run in 2024; you're basically telling him to give up on being president forever.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (iHBZj)

See Chris Christie passing at the height of his popularity...which was probably a godsend for us...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 28, 2023 05:34 PM (exHjb)

81 Great. Ace invites us into a new room and lo and behold there are knives laying all over the floor and maces on the walls and a few longbows to boot.

Now he stands back and watches the hidden camera monitors like the sicko from Saw as the inevitable happens.

And beats it like it owes him money.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 28, 2023 05:34 PM (FCbAQ)

82 I really don't see how 2024 is anymore " DeSantis' year" then it is Trump's. If he wants the job he should fight it out in the primary with Trump and may the best man win.

Posted by: Jack Krevin at April 28, 2023 05:35 PM (v0Nna)

83 1
Make room for the slugfest! I'm with whig; I'm out of these threads.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 28, 2023 05:21 PM (Keyt1)
.........

We can try to steer the conversation towards busty brunettes.

Posted by: wth at April 28, 2023 05:35 PM (v0R5T)

84 Trump will happily destroy the village to save the village. Rather than drumbeating on the failures and damage done by the Biden cabal, he makes up nicknames and acts butthurt that DeSantis isn't grateful. Between the anger, bitterness and hawking NFT junk he's shrinking himself every day. Biden's teleprompter must be grateful.

Posted by: Fat Jonah of Krypton at April 28, 2023 05:35 PM (MS5ih)

85 you spend 2020 begging for leniency for looters and setting up bail out funds and then you go all screeeeeech..."no one is above the law" and send ppl to jail in a manner that breaks the law.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:35 PM (MLrvz)

86 "Wait until he's out of office and forced to take a job as a lobbyist or lawyer"

Forced? My guy, with the amount of money DeSantis has from his donors he could go into real estate. For that matter, if you're as forgettable as Chris Christie that doesn't speak well of you. You're only -forced- into it after half a billion dollars if money is your drug and you have no other skills.

But DeSantis actually has some good potential in 2024 and beyond, if he wanted to use it. Instead of waiting for the courts to rule that a corporation can given itself sole jurisdiction over its own district in Florida, start sending in inspectors to monorails and buildings. Like every other Florida property requires. If Disney resists, declare a state of emergency and start jailing people up to the C-suite level. I'm sure a JAG lawyer can make it clear that corporations can't actually regulate their own properties no matter what the courts say.

Posted by: trev006 at April 28, 2023 05:35 PM (DTm0P)

87 Three thoughts--- 1) De Santis needs Trump's base so he has to be careful, 2) The media is going to attack DS as viciously as they did Trump ---perhaps more so, Get ready for "worse than Trump" stories to flood the media. 3) The Democrats will keep DeSantis occupied fighting frivolous charges

Posted by: JoeF. at April 28, 2023 05:35 PM (mR6Gs)

88 Trump's TV ads here are claiming that his endorsement got DeSantis elected.

And also that DeSantis has done a poor job as governor.

Point, DeSantis.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 28, 2023 05:35 PM (EZebt)

89 I'm all-in for Asa Hutchinson! The only clear choice!

Posted by: Rhubarb Ranch at April 28, 2023 05:35 PM (kc0fx)

90 Dear Donald,

STFU.

Best,

Jap

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 28, 2023 05:35 PM (YqDXo)

91 76 I loved Community but I don't recall that one.

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season six was released on youtubeTV IIRC.

it's now on netflix along with the rest.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:35 PM (MLrvz)

92 Trump will stomp any and all challengers. Meatball Ron Deathsantis needs to rule his Sunshine State nest. His turn comes in 2028.

Posted by: Stay In Your Lane, Meatball at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (Nn3xT)

93 53 More catnip for DeathSantis fanboys and Trump haters. Wake me when DS actually announces he’s running. Until then this is a homo circle-jerk.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 28, 2023 05:31 PM

(Enters chat) I had no idea AoS HQ was my kinda place!

Posted by: David French at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (NCgXW)

94 Just in case you want Russell Brand's take on Tucker's firing and the media industrial complex -

https://youtu.be/kBUhf7OjZFk

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (fs1hN)

95 If President Trump wins the nom, the Puddin' Fingers crowd will stay home and lick their fingers instead of voting for him. Biden wins with 157M ballots.

If Puddin' Fingers wins the nom, MAGA stays home instead of voting. Biden wins with 157M ballots.

My point is, nothing substantive has changed in the battleground states regarding voting procedures and processes. The socialists are still in control of the process.

Posted by: p-squared at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (UxSB9)

96 DeSantis would make a great President I have no doubt.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (xhxe8)

97 I said it months ago when Trump started attacking DeSantis and I'll say it again. This is a terrible look for Trump. It's also unnecessary and a missed opportunity.

Trump should be saying, "I endorsed Ron and look what a great job he's done enacting my policies. He's a great governor, but I'm the better choice for president, and here's why."

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (sWM8x)

98 and to be honest, trump didn't reward loyalty as the only path to being in his cabinet was to be an anti-trumper.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (MLrvz)

99 How many tries are we supposed to give Trump before we are allowed to move on?

Posted by: Audio at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (toXV1)

100 24 10 What's left to explore?
Posted by: Just Wondering at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (DhOHl)

Rosa DeLauro's cooter

Posted by: Not recommending, just saying at April 28, 2023 05:27 PM (N2NOk)
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Are you being cruel to us Morons?

Posted by: Ciampino --- Redundancy is redundancy at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (qfLjt)

101 Great. Ace invites us into a new room and lo and behold there are knives laying all over the floor and maces on the walls and a few longbows to boot.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 28, 2023 05:34 PM (FCbAQ)

This would improve the entertainment value of CSPAN...

Posted by: trev006 at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (DTm0P)

102 I just want to have a president who will rescue out country.

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And Chuck Norris isn't running.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (FVME7)

103 DeSantis can run for governor again in 2024 to stay in the limelight.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (ZB6WQ)

104 97 I said it months ago when Trump started attacking DeSantis and I'll say it again. This is a terrible look for Trump. It's also unnecessary and a missed opportunity.

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concur. it's unnecceassary. my god man, you're the front runner. build up the littlings.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:37 PM (MLrvz)

105 They'll wrap Trump in so much lawfare he'll not survive. I think they won't stop until he's behind bars.

He's got way less appeal than in 15 and 16. Biden proved he can win from the basement, and this time he'll get to claim his opponent's a criminal.

And they'll run huge on abortion and fear.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at April 28, 2023 05:37 PM (KiBMU)

106 Still voting Trump in the primary, and acting like my vote matters.

Assuming he's not taken out with lawfare or otherwise first.

That's really all I got to say.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at April 28, 2023 05:33 PM (iKBwy)

Same here.

I will also mention I am yet to bash DeSantis. I have no reason to.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at April 28, 2023 05:37 PM (89Sog)

107 Trump's breath stinks !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Dorcus Blimeline at April 28, 2023 05:37 PM (0vFtj)

108 still enjoying Mannix's party girl brunette from whatever thread.

I wanna 5'1" brunette to wear a mirror cocktail dress commando.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:37 PM (MLrvz)

109 A big problem is Trump will be a lame duck president. There are just too many people that are in the FBI and the rest of the government that will sabotage him. They despise him like nobody else.

We also need a backup plan because I don't know how Trump avoids being sent to prison by a leftist judge and jury.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2023 05:37 PM (NpAcC)

110 Sadly, I don’t think Trump has a shot in hades. I don’t think DeSantis does, either. He is already being labeled the devil incarnate. The powers that be will not allow anyone who may upset their applecart. It’s going to be Biden again if they can keep him alive that long.

Ps. I hate this, and I hate I am so cynical about it.

Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2023 05:37 PM (ZdaMQ)

111 Still voting Trump in the primary, and acting like my vote matters.

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most likely switching to democrat.
1. to vote for RFK jr in primary.
2. to survive the purges.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:38 PM (MLrvz)

112 who will pardon everyone?
Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM

Uh...not Trump? He had the opportunity, and let them rot.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at April 28, 2023 05:33 PM (NCgXW
No way could Trump have issued a blanket pardon in the short window between J6 and J20

Posted by: JoeF. at April 28, 2023 05:38 PM (mR6Gs)

113 My loyalty is to whoever defunds this fucking shit and starts putting heads on pikes.

Posted by: Catherine the Great at April 28, 2023 05:38 PM (XGZoL)

114 So that leaves Trump and DeSantis. I'll eagerly vote for either one in the general elections.
Posted by: Sasquatch

Too bad they both can't win.

Posted by: Zombie Henry Kissinger (w/ goatee) at April 28, 2023 05:38 PM (Cpxov)

115 A playful cock-measuring joust is a healthy endeavor to tune-up before the primaries.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 05:38 PM (KVGVf)

116
The whole point of this post is Trump's been shitting on Desantis, who isn't even officially running, for 5 months!

That says a lot about Trump.

Also, Trump has more nasty things to say about Desantis than he does about Pence.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:38 PM (XMGPZ)

117 I am getting John Kerry 2004 vibes from 2024.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2023 05:39 PM (Cg63x)

118 43 There is no loyalty in politics.
Posted by: Bosk at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (VMFAF)

You want loyalty?

Get a dog, otherwise it doesn't exist in today's world.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at April 28, 2023 05:39 PM (CCSxw)

119 First Republic Bank Collapses............ Yellan says the Banking system is fine also...

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at April 28, 2023 05:39 PM (EnsGU)

120 They'll wrap Trump in so much lawfare he'll not survive. I think they won't stop until he's behind bars.

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no, I heard that it's impeachable to use criminal...stuff...to purely personally impede a presidential candidate, even if he's basically retired/retarded and not yet running.

no one...after all...is above the law...or wait? what?

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:39 PM (MLrvz)

121 Make that "Jay"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 28, 2023 05:39 PM (YqDXo)

122 Checks in... Backs out slowly....

Posted by: It's me donna at April 28, 2023 05:39 PM (bs+z0)

123 you're not telling DeSantis to not run in 2024; you're basically telling him to give up on being president forever.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (iHBZj)

Ace, I spent three years being told "This Must Happen Immediately If It Doesn't People You Love WILL DIE" Three years of that crap.

Well, guess what, they died and I have aching voids in my heart. I am tired of being panicked into compliance.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 05:40 PM (xhaym)

124 F#ck the Japs.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at April 28, 2023 05:40 PM (Vwz3I)

125 off sock

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 28, 2023 05:40 PM (XGZoL)

126 If Puddin' Fingers wins the nom, MAGA stays home instead of voting. Biden wins with 157M ballots.

Posted by: p-squared

Who told you that? If Desantis gets the nomination I'm voting for him. Duh? Just like I did McCain and Romney.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at April 28, 2023 05:40 PM (iKBwy)

127 If there is anything Marxists would root for is an open warfare Trump-RDS war.

It is stupid, destructive and serves no good purpose for Trump and RDS to be Openly doing battle.

If Trump is half as good as he says and thinks he is and if RDS wants a winning future they will have a summit and figure this thing out,

What you have in the making now is failure theatre, writ large and YUGE.

Posted by: Voter theater. at April 28, 2023 05:40 PM (14t2+)

128 Make that "Jay"
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F#ck the Japs.
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Never mind.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (Vwz3I)

129 biden's best bet to win again in 2024 is to have Trump as the Republican nominee.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (lgLIO)

130 I said it months ago when Trump started attacking DeSantis and I'll say it again. This is a terrible look for Trump.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis

This isn't a new look.
Did anyone watch DT on 'the apprentice'? I only saw commercials for it and knew he had an ego the size of Trump Tower and all of FL.
I hope DeS runs and I hope we have debates.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (gUvIq)

131 Posted by: p-squared at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (UxSB9)

Equivocation in this matter about both sets of supporters staying home is wildly inaccurate at this time in my opinion. I did stay at a Holiday Inn, twice, so I'm not wrong

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (ZB6WQ)

132 A full time career government employee is EXACTLY who we need for President.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (xLon1)

133 "having TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP yelled in our faces in every thread"

I'll give it a rest. It's not as persuasive as it was in 2016, this is true.

Posted by: Minister Of Formica at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (MvF+J)

134 We also need a backup plan because I don't know how Trump avoids being sent to prison by a leftist judge and jury.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2023 05:37 PM (NpAcC)

They can certainly try, but after seeing the examples of Lula and Mandela you'd really think the left would be smarter than this. If anything, the pursuit of Trump makes the jabs about Epstein trafficking and the various Biden follies sting that much more.

Donald Trump isn't slightly worried that he's going to do federal time before 2025. The threat gives impetus to the notion that he has to clean house merely for his self-preservation. Netanyahu is showing how that's done.

Posted by: trev006 at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (DTm0P)

135 For those thinking Kennedy is somehow a normal democrat, he is not. He is saying the right thing on Covid. Past that, he has nothing. He is an environmental whacko. Voting for him is as crazy as voting for Bernie Sanders.

Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (ZdaMQ)

136 DeSantis is trying to help Trump, by keeping him from losing -AGAIN- to the country's first Retarded-American president.

Posted by: Wally at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (9hBdN)

137 Rove musta really scared the fuck outta Meatball

along the lines of "Ron, we (the Bushies) already got our horse (Youngkin) for 2028, so you want in, this is it, son"
Meatball is about to end his political future and he's too stoopid to see it

to win the nomination, he will have to alienate Trumps voters and therefore lose the general, in a crush and put himself out of contention for 2028

But what the fuck does Rove care, Trumps destruction is his goal, not Meatball's political fortunes

well, Ron can always challenge Rick Scott or Marco

yeah, that'll work

doesn't Meatball have any close friends ??
I still think he will come to his senses, I hope, for his sake
and stop the fuck listening to NTers
they are blinded by their hate

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (us2H3)

138
Who gives a shit about 2028?!?!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (XMGPZ)

139 >>>76 I loved Community but I don't recall that one.

Was it internet only??

...

It's from Season 6 which played on a short-lived Yahoo streaming service called "Yahoo Stream." Season 6 gets included with rerun packages when it runs on other channels like Netflix now. Season 6 had a bunch of meh episodes but it also had 4 or 5 solid ones.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:42 PM (iHBZj)

140 DeSantis can run for governor again in 2024 to stay in the limelight.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM

Nope he is term limited. Florida has a two consecutive term limit for governor.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2023 05:42 PM (ncXxy)

141 wait the service was called Yahoo Screen.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:42 PM (iHBZj)

142 First Republic Bank Collapses............ Yellan says the Banking system is fine also...
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at April 28, 2023 05:39 PM (EnsGU)
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Because she didn't have her money in it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 28, 2023 05:42 PM (YqDXo)

143 Sorry not the Mission Impossible film, its the next Transformers movie: 220 minutes long. I just cannot even imagine watching that much Transformers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2023 05:30 PM (0hOvj)

I looked it up. Three hours and forty minutes.

This is one more reason I've given up on modern movies. Who wants to watch CGI transforming robots punch each other for that long?

No, let me rephrase. Who wants to watch a bunch of nobody actors fill in all the time (three hours) between the scenes of giant transforming robots punch each other (forty minutes)?

Two hours. Two hours. That's how much time I'm willing to give. Unless there is some big arty fatty statement being made, I'm willing to give two hours max.

Posted by: Robert at April 28, 2023 05:42 PM (1Yy3c)

144 The whole point of this post is Trump's been shitting on Desantis, who isn't even officially running, for 5 months!

That says a lot about Trump.

Also, Trump has more nasty things to say about Desantis than he does about Pence.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:38 PM (XMGPZ)

When I still had cable... last week... there were MAGA Pac anti DeS commercials being played... yet that same PAC was NOT doing anti Dem anything.

Trying to bring down someone who may not even run? Making his FUTURE political career harder? Seems pretty self indulgent...

Like him or not, DeS HAS done some good things for Florida. Backstabbing him now, could make continuing that harder (like with the current Disney stuff, where DeS is right, but some on the supposed RIGHT are now saying he is wrong... because both NeoCons and Trump is saying its wrong).

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 28, 2023 05:42 PM (oHd/0)

145 Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at April 28, 2023 05:40 PM (iKBwy)

400,000 Trump voters stayed home in GA run offs .

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM (ZB6WQ)

146 No way could Trump have issued a blanket pardon in the short window between J6 and J20
Posted by: JoeF

I get it. He could have at least *tried*. But no way the State Mafia wouldn't have just said "LOL no."

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM (iKBwy)

147
F#ck the Japs.
Posted by: andycanuck

What did they do now?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM (XMGPZ)

148 This will devolve in to madness

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM (NtVYv)

149 I agree that politics isn’t beanbag, and DeSantis doesn’t owe Trump enough to not run if he wants to.

Posted by: Cowboy Wally at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM (n5SXK)

150 Hi I lost to the guy the system went full Jihad to elect but swearsies I will do better out of power.

//Super Genius DJT

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM (Lzpvj)

151 Sundance - I’m not thrilled with his anti-DeSantis stuff either. However, he’s right more often than he’s wrong, and he is 100% right that ‘24 will be won by ballot collection and submission.
I don’t think DeSantis is a tool of GOPe, but a lot of them are supporting him over Trump. I think it’s more likely that he taking them for a ride, but I’m not fully convinced yet.
Re:Trump - he will use any broken bottle at hand to slash his opponent’s face. Disney is at hand. He also uses his rallies to test lines of attack. You can rest assured that if he stops attacking DeSantis on Disney, he’ll attack him on something else.
These kind of attacks raise doubt about him in the same way doubt was raised about him in 2016. Would he be conservative enough? Would he do what needed to be done, or was he another NY liberal in conservative clothing?
He answered ALL DOUBTS during his four years about his governing. How many times were you happy with what he was doing? How many times were you thrilled when it made the right people cry? Keep that in mind the next time Trump attacks DeSantis

Posted by: Cowboy Wally at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM (n5SXK)

152 After the Dems steal the next election, which one do you think will have a better chance at fighting it?

Do you think Ron's handlers will tell him to stop rocking the boat?

Ron's a lawyer. He might be better at lawfare than Trump or the people that Trump depended on legally last time.

Posted by: pawn at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM (kYVzH)

153 Ok here are my thoughts. I love Trump as a human being and as a President. I'd be ecstatic to have him back as CIC if only to watch major heads explode forever but also because I think he'd do great on Foreign Policy and the Economy. Sadly aside from the media angle he or his team don't seem to get the culture wars thing at all (Bud Light, Disney, etc.)

But what hasn't sit well with me for a while is that since 2020 I haven't heard anything that would lead me to believe that he and his team have any solution to the ahem problems that robbed him the first time around. And he and his team haven't effectively communicated the nature of that tragedy since.

So seems like the plan is to simply run it back in 2024 without any of the advantages he had 2020. How can that work out well.

So color me unexcited about the candidacy.

And to even talk about this requires suspension of disbelief, having to pretend that he would even be allowed to take office, or be allowed to Govern once there.

I do plan to vote always but it feels likes Pascal's wager to me.

Posted by: havel at April 28, 2023 05:44 PM (+EnXD)

154 It's from Season 6 which played on a short-lived Yahoo streaming service called "Yahoo Stream." Season 6 gets included with rerun packages when it runs on other channels like Netflix now. Season 6 had a bunch of meh episodes but it also had 4 or 5 solid ones.
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Thank you, Ace.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at April 28, 2023 05:44 PM (Vwz3I)

155 I said it months ago when Trump started attacking DeSantis and I'll say it again. This is a terrible look for Trump. It's also unnecessary and a missed opportunity.

Trump should be saying, "I endorsed Ron and look what a great job he's done enacting my policies. He's a great governor, but I'm the better choice for president, and here's why."
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 28, 2023 05:36 PM (sWM8x)
******
Exactly. Instead he continues to alienate people he needs to vote for him.

I'll vote for Trump if he is the nominee, but I know people that voted for him in 2020, but will not vote for him in 2024.
They'll just stay home.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2023 05:44 PM (NpAcC)

156 still enjoying Mannix's party girl brunette from whatever thread.

I wanna 5'1" brunette to wear a mirror cocktail dress commando.
Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:37 PM (MLrvz)
........

5'1" makes a great party girl, you have someplace to set your beer.

Posted by: wth at April 28, 2023 05:44 PM (v0R5T)

157 3 Posted by: Avi at April 28, 2023 05:22 PM (cBCwV)

There is a wonderful line from "Storm of the Century" where Linoge says, "and that is what hell is repetition."

Sean O'Shamrock is Asmodeus.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 05:44 PM (Lzpvj)

158 10 What's left to explore?
Posted by: Just Wondering at April 28, 2023 05:23 PM (DhOHl)

Rosa DeLauro's cooter

Posted by: Not recommending, just saying

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Dude I was eating.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 28, 2023 05:44 PM (17s+e)

159 >>>
Ace, I spent three years being told "This Must Happen Immediately If It Doesn't People You Love WILL DIE" Three years of that crap.

Well, guess what, they died and I have aching voids in my heart. I am tired of being panicked into compliance.

You can do whatever the fuck you want. I'm tired of being told how much we all collectively owe the three-time electoral loser trump. I don't owe him election losses forever. Three times is enough.

My point is that no one wants to hear this bullshit that DeSantis should be nice to trump and "just wait." The hell with that. He had 2020. It's not my fault or your fault or DeSantis' fault that he didn't sue fucking pennsylvania for changing the election rules until after the election.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (iHBZj)

160 12 Pat Paulson '24!
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 28, 2023 05:24
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OK, that made laugh.

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (ju2Fy)

161 Since think it's good theater at the present time. We'll see as time goes by.

Posted by: Lola - ALL of the 1/6 videotapes from Alexandra and Jade, too. at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (GshMh)

162 At I was moting a couple threads ago, DeSantis and the Florida level had a huge win in the 11th circuit today on the voting rig, hts bill, and this also shows us how the Reedy Creek lawsuit will, since all the same characters are involved. Short version: DeSantis will lose big at the Fed trial court level, because judge Mark Walker hates, hates, hates DeSantis personally. And then he will win big on appeal, because the 11th circuit hates judge Mark Walker.

Posted by: Tom Servo at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (BUqir)

163 F#ck the Japs.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at April 28, 2023 05:40 PM (Vwz3I)

*Glares*

Posted by: Rape Happy Tentacle Beast at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (1Yy3c)

164 "Exploratory committees" annoy me to no end. How many politicians form such a committee and then say, "yeah, based on the results of the exploration, I've decided not to run for president"? I guess some might have, but in all the cases I can think of, that step is always followed by an announcement that "yup, I'm running."

Declare you're running or that you're not running. This halfway-house "committee" is just an unnecessary tease.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (tp+tP)

165
If President Trump wins the nom, the Puddin' Fingers crowd will stay home and lick their fingers instead of voting for him. Biden wins with 157M ballots.

If Puddin' Fingers wins the nom, MAGA stays home instead of voting. Biden wins with 157M ballots.

If there was only some way that the younger person took a second position for one to four years for the good of the country.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (enJYY)

166 So DeSantis runs and loses to a brain dead puppet
Hardly any difference.
I do think Sundowner won't make it, he is fading fast.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (xhxe8)

167 concur. it's unnecceassary. my god man, you're the front runner. build up the littlings.
Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:37 PM

Politically, I think Trump's doing the right thing if DeSantis is seriously thinking of entering the race. He's the only real challenge to Trump, and I'm sure Trump would like to avoid a bruising primary, so starting to pick away at DeSantis makes sense.

Nothing said so far is permanently damaging, so DeSantis can easily run in 2028, but if he enters 2024, it will be very ugly, and probably destroy both candidates.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (NCgXW)

168 When I still had cable... last week... there were MAGA Pac anti DeS commercials being played... yet that same PAC was NOT doing anti Dem anything.

Trying to bring down someone who may not even run? Making his FUTURE political career harder? Seems pretty self indulgent...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 28, 2023 05:42 PM (oHd/0)

Guys, this is getting ridiculous. You can keep insisting that the vast flood of Wall Street money to RDS is to get a six week abortion ban and control of DisneyWorld, but it's just disingenuous. Those donors aren't going to tolerate him dropping out.

Posted by: trev006 at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (DTm0P)

169 DeSantis is trying to help Trump, by keeping him from losing -AGAIN- to the country's first Retarded-American president.
Posted by: Wally at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM (9hBdN)

I think Ron would do no better. The cheat was baked into the cake.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (XGZoL)

170 Ugh. 'made me laugh'.

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (ju2Fy)

171 If he's forming an exploratory committee in mid-May, then he might as well not at all, because by that point he'll be so far behind the curve that it won't matter.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (wmDcS)

172 I was supportive of Trump until the moment that a lot of people, including DeSantis, decided that enough was enough: After the 2022 elections, when Trump's picks again f***ed everything up.

Trump is not suited for this role. He doesn't understand politics and he's too old and lazy to bother to learn.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (iHBZj)

173 The entire Dilly Dilly saga, back when Bud Light marketing was sane and effective.

https://youtu.be/7Nt1HrgjveI

Still won't drink Bud Light, but ... entertaining.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (u82oZ)

174 Yeah, Styxhexenhammer said he'd do this. He also said it's a big mistake for DeSantis to want to study this some more. Makes him look indecisive.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (u7leW)

175 Ron's a lawyer. He might be better at lawfare than Trump or the people that Trump depended on legally last time.

Posted by: pawn at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM (kYVzH)

I never thought about the Lawyer angle but I do think that he's a better communicator. I don't think there's anyway to out lawfare the deep state, the best I'd hope for is few more hearts and minds.

But losing the best Governor in the US for that is steep price to pay indeed.

Posted by: havel at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (+EnXD)

176 . It's not my fault or your fault or DeSantis' fault that he didn't sue fucking pennsylvania for changing the election rules until after the election.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (iHBZj)

———

He did. The judge told him as he couldn’t prove any harm by the change in the rules because there was no election yet he had no case.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (xLon1)

177 When is the first primary vote cast?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (iOTWL)

178 Trump needs to STFU about this ‘loyalty’ BS and defeat him in the primary. But he won’t. DJT’s right flank is exposed due to his lame ass response to the Wu-Flu from Chyyna.

Posted by: Cooldawg at April 28, 2023 05:47 PM (tnaa6)

179 The only answer to settle this Trump/DeSantis conundrum is to vote Nikki Haley. Amiright?

What? It's a perfectly cromulent point.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at April 28, 2023 05:47 PM (aXxgO)

180
This will devolve in to madness

Are we not men?

Posted by: DEVO at April 28, 2023 05:47 PM (63Dwl)

181 159 Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (iHBZj)

He won by a hair's width in 2016....

now he acts like he is Reagan.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 05:47 PM (Lzpvj)

182 In my more pessimistic moments, I think what does it matter? We're not going to vote our way out of this. In my more optimistic moments, I think that I may be dead before the 2028 election.

https://bit.ly/3LEcxY0

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 05:47 PM (FVME7)

183
Wait'll until Trump doesn't get the R nom and decides to run as an Independent.

Then, I guess, You People will realize.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:47 PM (XMGPZ)

184 Posted by: Rape Happy Tentacle Beast
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[sproing!]

Posted by: Kurt von Eichenwald at April 28, 2023 05:47 PM (Vwz3I)

185 "This is DeSantis' year."

Oh, horsehockey. It's nobody's "year" and you can't whine like a little baby about Trump and then announce that DeSantis is OWED the nomination.

I can understand wanting to move on from Trump. But maybe you should have been voicing a few more concerns about Bubblewrap Ron and his phantom campaign while Trump has been kicking the snot out of him for months.

DeSantis made the political mistake of giving Trump that opportunity. Perhaps, you might want to question the political judgment that opened that door and let Trump walk through it.

Posted by: MBunge at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (2tWdQ)

186 66 >>>DeSantis has what Trump doesn't have, TIME.

I disagree. years are eternities in politics. In six years, will anyone remember that DeSantis was brave in the face of the government's demands to lockdown? NO: the country will have moved on, and everyone will claim they were against the lockdowns.

you're not telling DeSantis to not run in 2024; you're basically telling him to give up on being president forever.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (iHBZj)
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You're saying DS is a one trick pony. Surely between now and 2028 he's going to do some more political magic in Florida, if he's as good as he seems?

Posted by: Ciampino - Re-entrant: see re-entrant at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (qfLjt)

187 I am getting John Kerry 2004 vibes from 2024.

Posted by: Harun at April 28, 2023 05:39 PM (Cg63x)
_________________

I've been getting Paul von Hindenburg vibes from F. Joe since about 1980.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (YqDXo)

188 trump shouldn't attack desantics from the left though

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (MLrvz)

189 160 12 Pat Paulson '24!
Posted by: Lady in Black at April 28, 2023 05:24
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OK, that made laugh.
Posted by: olddog in mo at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM

Wait! I just got some random book in the mail called "2 cents to save America" by Perry Johnson. He has a 2024 campaign going as well!

Posted by: Moron Analyst at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (NCgXW)

190 >>>If there was only some way that the younger person took a second position for one to four years for the good of the country.

There is no point taking "second position" to a man who has repeatedly shown that he has alienated half the country and is incapable of getting them back.

I feel like I did during the Palin wars, when people kept insisting, despite all the evidence, that Palin was just as popular in America generally as she is on the right wing of the right wing.

No, she's not. Refusing to look at the facts doesn't change the facts.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (iHBZj)

191 F#ck the Japs.
Posted by: andycanuck

What did they do now?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales
.......

Manga Mickey Mouse balloons.

Posted by: wth at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (v0R5T)

192 Declare you're running or that you're not running. This halfway-house "committee" is just an unnecessary tease.
Posted by: Dr. T at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM (tp+tP)

Apparently fundraising rules are different if you haven't announced you're running. The problem is that it also limits your ability to put out your own ads and raise your national awareness, which is why Donald Trump is driving up RDS's negatives.

Posted by: trev006 at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (DTm0P)

193 >>>Rove musta really scared the fuck outta Meatball

>Wasn't Rove the pudgy dorkus who sneered about "The Road To Serfdom" like Biden did about supply chains? All of his gravitas is hanging from his double chin.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (KVGVf)

194 trev006 , Lula didn't win because he was in jail for massive amounts of political corruption and his involvement with one of the largest bribery and money laundering schemes in Brazil's history, he won election again because all his unindicted compadres were looking at Bolsinaro possibly flipping over some more rocks and got Lula a reversal by bribing a bunch of judges.
Some of the justices that provided the reversal claimed the initial ruling was a form of jailing political opponents by Bolsinaro, and the first thing Lula did on winning is issue warrants to arrest Bolsinaro.
Oh, and start threatening to take away the kids of anyone who objected to the way the election was carried out.
If you think Lula is an honest broker I have some Che T-shirts to sell you.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (xhaym)

195 >>>Oh, horsehockey. It's nobody's "year" and you can't whine like a little baby about Trump and then announce that DeSantis is OWED the nomination.

I mean it's his year if he ever wants to run. He's not putting that aside for the likes of Trump.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (iHBZj)

196 Whoever the GOP runs against Biden, I hope they use the Joe-groping-kids videos this time. None of the LIVs or TV addicts have seen those yet, due to GOP dereliction of duty. They won't use the nukes.

Posted by: Minister Of Formica at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (MvF+J)

197 172
Trump is not suited for this role. He doesn't understand politics and he's too old and lazy to bother to learn.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (iHBZj)

___

He's not disciplined. He could be good at it, but without discipline it's impossible to be good at it. 2016 was a fluke, a one in a million lottery ticket that paid off. It won't happen again.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (OalnH)

198 146 No way could Trump have issued a blanket pardon in the short window between J6 and J20
Posted by: JoeF

I get it. He could have at least *tried*. But no way the State Mafia wouldn't have just said "LOL no."
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM (iKBwy)
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Given those people have been stripped of their constitutional rights and thrown in a gulag for 2 years because of their support for him (and for trespassing in the "People's House"), would be nice to see Trump also campaigning for their freedom.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (ssESX)

199 lol, dilly dilly. there's hardly any chicks with dongs in that ad

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (MLrvz)

200 Kennedy just said he and Biden were friends

Posted by: Gonzotx at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (MwHgU)

201
One-hundred, Ace.
Ace is right, again.

Trump is really, really bad at politics. Clueless and ignorant.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (XMGPZ)

202
We are headed into the summer of once-a-week Joe, usually outside with the aviators on, proving he's not running from his basement.

They won't even have to cheat so hard in 24, the fix is in.

Posted by: Auspex at April 28, 2023 05:50 PM (j4U/Z)

203 "After the 2022 elections, when Trump's picks again f***ed everything up."

Right. It was Trump's fault, not the Republican Party that utterly failed to recognize that Democrat ballot-harvesting was a problem and DID NOTHING about it. Nope. It was just Trump.

Posted by: MBunge at April 28, 2023 05:50 PM (2tWdQ)

204 AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt

Go full Soros: Vivek Ramaswamy.
He sounds good.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at April 28, 2023 05:50 PM (u82oZ)

205 171 If he's forming an exploratory committee in mid-May, then he might as well not at all, because by that point he'll be so far behind the curve that it won't matter.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at April 28, 2023 05:46 PM (wmDcS)

the people humping Meatball don't care

they just hate Trump and see Meatball as a mark

the thing is that they will say they used to like Trump but it's a lie

they always hated him

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 05:50 PM (us2H3)

206 Who gives a shit about 2028?!?!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:41 PM

*raises hand*

Posted by: Amber Heard at April 28, 2023 05:50 PM (Wnv9h)

207 This will devolve in to madness
.......

Not if we switch to fish puns.

Posted by: wth at April 28, 2023 05:50 PM (v0R5T)

208 7 Re: Trump's loss in 2020 - Didn't Trump say (about John McCain) that he preferred people who win?

Are you nuts? The election was stolen amd that’s why DeSantis needs to not run, it’s Trumps. And no one, no one but Trump can do the job that is set before us

Posted by: Gonzotx at April 28, 2023 05:51 PM (MwHgU)

209 I've been getting Paul von Hindenburg vibes from F. Joe since about 1980.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (YqDXo)

Try "Kamela is America's Isabelita Peron" if you want nightmares.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 05:51 PM (xhaym)

210 If 2022 had turned out differently I would vote for Trump in the primary, instead I am voting for DeSantis.

I just don't see how Trump can win against Biden in the general.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2023 05:51 PM (NpAcC)

211 I feel like I did during the Palin wars,

///////

maybe just accept that the media will encancerate all of our politicians and they're basically one and done.

W won, now he's hitler.
Trump won, now he's Hitler.
DeSantis will win, then he's Hitler.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:51 PM (MLrvz)

212 Guess I was wrong with my first comment.
Ace was right here in the room, a knife in one hand and a mace in the other.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 28, 2023 05:51 PM (FCbAQ)

213 Nope he is term limited. Florida has a two consecutive term limit for governor.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2023 05:42 PM (ncXxy)

Thanks I stand corrected. FL is one of the consecutive term limitation States though there is no limitation on how many total terms one can serve. More of those states than I thought.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 05:51 PM (ZB6WQ)

214 You're saying DS is a one trick pony. Surely between now and 2028 he's going to do some more political magic in Florida, if he's as good as he seems?
Posted by: Ciampino - Re-entrant: see re-entrant at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (qfLjt)

While I don't think it's now or never for DeSantis, I do think there's such a thing as momentum in politics, and that there's a lot of truth to that saying "The man and the hour have met."

IF there hadn't been such a falling-out between him and Trump, I might be on the side of waiting until '28. But there has been, and I think DeSantis, at least, has decided there's no benefit in waiting.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 28, 2023 05:51 PM (tp+tP)

215 No matter how bad things get, 53% of this country is never going to vote Trump. Ever.

We all know this, but some people want the anger another loss brings. It’s a stupid black pill gamble.

Posted by: Audio at April 28, 2023 05:51 PM (toXV1)

216 183 Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:47 PM (XMGPZ)

Losing is losing.

Trump being as big an asshole as THE BERN is expected.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 05:51 PM (Lzpvj)

217 Alors, il commence.

Posted by: Ce gars qui pense toujours que ca commence. at April 28, 2023 05:52 PM (2hlEI)

218 The democrat propagandists in the media are already lining up to torpedo RFK. I'd love to think differently but I'm now thinking voting for anyone at the federal level is a joke, the donkey-commie is always going to win.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 28, 2023 05:52 PM (17s+e)

219 Biden says we can only re-elect Trump: https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1651994502557745152

Posted by: Fed Up at April 28, 2023 05:52 PM (uZn/X)

220 Send all these trans demons from the previous thread to the pit of misery.

TO the pit of Misery!!! Dilly Dilly!!!

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 28, 2023 05:52 PM (fs1hN)

221 >> Declare you're running or that you're not running. This halfway-house "committee" is just an unnecessary tease.
Posted by: Dr. T a

this trivial bullshit again?

I don't think a candidate should grift his supporters with endless sales of NFTs. So there's my criterion.

Sound irrelevant? Then shut up about DeSantis HAVING to declare when TRUMP SUPPORTERS, who do not have his best interest in mind, insist he must declare.

DeSantis' calculus of when to announce wasn't the same as Trump's. Trump announced very early, to try to scare DeSantis out. Well that didn't work. Sorry.

So now the wailing that everyone has to do exactly what Trump did because obviously Trump gets to make the rules.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:52 PM (iHBZj)

222 Kennedy just said he and Biden were friends
Posted by: Gonzotx at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (MwHgU)

I think he said that he and Hunter were friends.
I think he used to do heroin too.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 05:52 PM (xhaym)

223
DeSantis and Youngkin, perhaps?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (XMGPZ)

224 208 7 Re: Trump's loss in 2020 - Didn't Trump say (about John McCain) that he preferred people who win?

////////////

I mean, if we have to go down memory lane:

Trump increased vote totals over 2016
won 19/20 bellweathers
did other things.

BUT couldn't get Georgia senate seats.

in fact, it's almost as if he's super unpopular where they collect ballots that are strewn out helicopter windows over blue cities. and then collected by scout's honor blind people who rubber stamp each one for the democrat, regardless of who the vote is for or how the ballot is presented.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (MLrvz)

225 For those saying you don't want to see DS leave FL, keep in mind there is a 2 term consecutive limit. Jan 2027 he's done no matter what.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (OalnH)

226 So, I'm sure this thread is going well.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (/xaUq)

227 I like President Trump. He can be an asshole now and then but so what.

I like Governor Meatball. He can be an asshole now and then but so what.

May the better asshole win.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (R/m4+)

228 186
66 >>>DeSantis has what Trump doesn't have, TIME.

I disagree. years are eternities in politics. In six years, will anyone remember that DeSantis was brave in the face of the government's demands to lockdown? NO: the country will have moved on, and everyone will claim they were against the lockdowns.

you're not telling DeSantis to not run in 2024; you're basically telling him to give up on being president forever.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:32 PM (iHBZj)
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You're saying DS is a one trick pony. Surely between now and 2028 he's going to do some more political magic in Florida, if he's as good as he seems?
Posted by: Ciampino - Re-entrant: see re-entrant at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (qfLjt)
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Yeah that Potemkin DS administration... still waiting for him to show us something, eh?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (ssESX)

229 "would be nice to see Trump also campaigning for [J6ers] freedom."

Never give loyalty to a politician, because that's how it's repaid. The Proud Boys were idiots to continue to support DJT after he publicly disavowed them.

Posted by: Minister Of Formica at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (MvF+J)

230 If you think Lula is an honest broker I have some Che T-shirts to sell you.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (xhaym)

Honest is the wrong word- but the case against Lula failed badly, and if Bolsonaro's position before the election was that strong why not crack down on the entire machine?

Posted by: trev006 at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (DTm0P)

231 f 2022 had turned out differently I would vote for Trump in the primary, instead I am voting for DeSantis.

I just don't see how Trump can win against Biden in the general.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2023 05:51 PM (NpAcC)

Hint: neither will win.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (XGZoL)

232 BTW even with the illegal changes in voting in PA before the election, Trump won it.

Philadelphia had to kick out election observers and manufacture ballots for days in order for Biden to “win”.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (xLon1)

233 >>>We are headed into the summer of once-a-week Joe, usually outside with the aviators on, proving he's not running from his basement.

>They'll let him out with Major & Commander to drag his ass across the lawn.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (KVGVf)

234 I mean, I don't want to have facts interfere with my feelings.

I know Dave in Fl has said I'm wrong (not me presonally, just people who think like me)...but you clean up 15 districts with super corrupt ballot box stuffing and we win.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (MLrvz)

235 Meh. What I want is General Pinochet, throwing commies out of helicopters. I'll accept Trump as a suitable car-bomb to drive into DC, but the truth is they're going to steal it again, and nobody is going to stop them, least of all Ron DeSantis.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (kW/Do)

236 >>>7 Alors, il commence.

Posted by: Ce gars qui pense toujours que ca commence.

lol

Probably should be "Le Gars," or better yet, "Le Mec." Mec = guy. "Le Type" also = guy.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (iHBZj)

237 Glad to see that I have so many fans that are cool with me signing hate speech laws into effect in Florida yesterday.
Builds up my populist street cred.

Posted by: Ron DeSantis at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (0615m)

238 219 Biden says we can only re-elect Trump: https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1651994502557745152
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Rated: Partly False. Deceptively edited. It's not what Biden meant to say.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (fs1hN)

239 I'm going to toss some feces. It's as useful as fighting on this thread and I'll get some sunshine and exercise.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (17s+e)

240 222 Kennedy just said he and Biden were friends
Posted by: Gonzotx at April 28, 2023 05:49 PM (MwHgU)

I think I heard RFK say to Cavuto about Joe

"we're all family"

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (us2H3)

241 Given those people have been stripped of their constitutional rights and thrown in a gulag for 2 years because of their support for him (and for trespassing in the "People's House"), would be nice to see Trump also campaigning for their freedom.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO

Or anyone joining Gateway Pundit and one or two Congress critters for that matter. Has Desantis even said more than a sentence or two about the gulag, let alone called-for rage? Or about the limitless surveillance of all U.S. citizens?

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (iKBwy)

242 I feel like I did during the Palin wars, when people kept insisting, despite all the evidence, that Palin was just as popular in America generally as she is on the right wing of the right wing.

No, she's not. Refusing to look at the facts doesn't change the facts.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM (iHBZj)

I have faced the fact that American women hate any woman politician that is prettier than them.

We will never have our Giorgia Meloni.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (aD39U)

243 *Glares*
Posted by: Rape Happy Tentacle Beast at April 28, 2023 05:45 PM

Bitch, dozo...

Posted by: Gojira at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (Wnv9h)

244 I agree with the notion that Ronnie D and all the other more grassroots-ish conservatives owe Trump a lot for breaking open the gate. And I'd probably agree with Trump's line of reasoning if this was 2020 and RDS was trying to kneecap the incumbent in the primary.

But it's not 2020, and there's a credible argument to be made that Trump's obsession with everything being about him had a negative impact on the last three major elections (2020, the senate rematches, 2022). So it's a bit much to basically claim that anyone remotely associated with Donald Trump must always bend knee for the rest of his life.j

Like Cooldawg says, if Trump wants a shot at 2024 he needs to go back to the basics. What he's doing now just sounds like sore-loser whining and that won't win friends and influence people.

Posted by: CppThis at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (PZvjL)

245 "Trump is not suited for this role. He doesn't understand politics and he's too old and lazy to bother to learn."

Yeah, the guy who beat the entire political establishment almost single-handedly in 2016 and is beating Your Lord and Savior Ron DeSantis by 20 TO 30 POINTS IN EVERY POLL, that guy just "doesn't understand politics."

Again, I get wanting to move on from Trump but when your arguments are so stupid and hysterical, it's hard to take them seriously and not just regard them as more adolescent butt hurt.

Posted by: MBunge at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (2tWdQ)

246 224 Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (MLrvz)

So Trump did not stop this when he ostensibly had the civil service under his control....but he will stop it as an outsider that is the Media-Military-Court's designated villain in 2024....

"because"

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 05:55 PM (Lzpvj)

247
My pet conspiracy based on experience with such folks is the savants have taken over. They have low IQ's but a strong ability to memorize shit, pass tests, and get into the best colleges. Then the best positions in (where else?) government.

Sarah Palin did not attend one of the best colleges. Our 'betters' with low IQ's deemed her unworthy. Based on that fact alone.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 28, 2023 05:55 PM (enJYY)

248 There is so much time. I would not announce until October.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson DeSantis/Lake 2024 at April 28, 2023 05:55 PM (vN+oL)

249 The Proud Boys were idiots to continue to support DJT after he publicly disavowed them.

////////

well, you can tell the fix was in towards fedsurrection when the debate was prepped toward a PB question.

and trump fumbled everything by not explaining

PB in response to anti-fa
you're forgetting about 2020 looting
PB are not criminals (shit, it turns out they're 90% feds, 8% autists, and 2% victims in jail)

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:55 PM (MLrvz)

250
Ce = "this" or "that," "Le" = "the"

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:55 PM (iHBZj)

251 DeSantis' calculus of when to announce wasn't the same as Trump's. Trump announced very early, to try to scare DeSantis out. Well that didn't work. Sorry.

So now the wailing that everyone has to do exactly what Trump did because obviously Trump gets to make the rules.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:52 PM (iHBZj)

I wasn't talking about DeSantis specifically. I was talking about the process itself. I brought it up a few days ago regarding someone else--Haley? Hutchinson? I forget.

It's a step that seems totally ridiculous to me, and I wish everyone would drop it and just say, "yeah, I'm running."

Posted by: Dr. T at April 28, 2023 05:55 PM (tp+tP)

252 3 am I the only one ( besides my wife who noticed it first) who feels that watching or listening to Hannity is like being in "Groundhog Day"?

Posted by: Avi at April 28, 2023 05:22 PM (cBCwV)

Only for the last...[checks calendar]...10 or 12 years.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at April 28, 2023 05:55 PM (4enNW)

253
Here's a glimpse of the Future:

A month from now, if DeSantis declares, we'll have one R candidate out there railing against biden, and ALL the other Republican candidates, Trump, Hogan, Haley, Baker, etc., railing against DeSantis.

Let that soak in your brains for a moment.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (XMGPZ)

254 >>>Yeah, the guy who beat the entire political establishment almost single-handedly in 2016 and is beating Your Lord and Savior Ron DeSantis by 20 TO 30 POINTS IN EVERY POLL, that guy just "doesn't understand politics."

you mean the #Rigged polls? The polls that lie to us about Biden beating Trump? Those #rigged polls?

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (iHBZj)

255 May the better asshole win.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM

I'll be rhe judge of that.

Posted by: Pete Bootyjudge at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (Wnv9h)

256 So Trump did not stop this when he ostensibly had the civil service under his control....but he will stop it as an outsider that is the Media-Military-Court's designated villain in 2024....

////

exactly

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (MLrvz)

257 Aetius451AD: "So, I'm sure this thread is going well."

It's fine. No deaths, barely any flesh wounds.

It's not even up to the initial gambits of the Palin Wars.

Practically a lovefest with a couple of flowers being thrown.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (aXxgO)

258 I think I heard RFK say to Cavuto about Joe

"we're all family"
Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (us2H3)

So RFK Jr fucks his kids in the shower.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (XGZoL)

259 DeSantis and Youngkin, perhaps?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (XMGPZ)

Youngkin is gearing up for something but nut the nomination

he is either gonna go after one of the dim senators or for the nomination n 2028

and he will have a much better case than Meatball

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (us2H3)

260 You want Augusto Pinochet
You'll accept Francisco Franco
You'll get Marco Rubio

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (fs1hN)

261 Nobody asked me, but here’s the way I see it:

Trump proved in 2020 that he doesn’t have what it takes to combat the dems ability to fix the election. He was in the best possible position to combat it last time and he didn’t. There is no way he could be in a better position now that he’s out of office, and anything he could have learned from the experience can as equally be applied by another candidate as well. I don’t know if DeSantis can stop it either, but insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, so it seems like he should get a shot over giving Trump a mulligan on 2020.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (fKIdX)

262 225 For those saying you don't want to see DS leave FL, keep in mind there is a 2 term consecutive limit. Jan 2027 he's done no matter what.
Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (OalnH)

You know, this may be morbid, but something that occurred to me:

-If Trump is the only answer, we are fucked.

-If Desantis is the only answer (either instead of or after) then Florida and we are fucked.

Perfect men can change history, but they are not what you want to hang your hat on.

For every Cincinnatus there is a Nero. For every Trajan, there is a Caracalla. For every George Washington, there is a Joe Biden.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (/xaUq)

263 >>>It's a step that seems totally ridiculous to me, and I wish everyone would drop it and just say, "yeah, I'm running."

another commenter mentioned considerations having to do with fundraising and disclosures and when these must happen. Trump's best move =/= DeSantis' best move.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:57 PM (iHBZj)

264 Why should we want Trump to be president again? He did a whole lot of really unconservative things during Covid. Student loan deferment, corporate bail, outs, stimulus checks in the mail, Fauci being in charge, etc.

Trumps accomplishments were really generic. A tax cut, conservative judges.

It doesn’t balance out the socialism he embraced. Add in that he’s toxic to 53% of the electorate.

Posted by: Audio at April 28, 2023 05:57 PM (toXV1)

265 I weep for our country where reading comprehension is so low. I said Team Trump stays home of Puddin' wins, and Team Puddin' stays home if MAGA wins. then I said,

"My point is, nothing substantive has changed in the battleground states regarding voting procedures and processes. The socialists are still in control of the process."

What do you think everyone responded to? I'll give you a hint: It wasn't the point.

It doesn't matter who runs if we can't beat the cheat.

Posted by: p-squared at April 28, 2023 05:57 PM (UxSB9)

266 Only a 1st World Chickenhawk would name his dogs 'Major' & 'Commander!"

Posted by: Dr. Bone at April 28, 2023 05:57 PM (KVGVf)

267 Hmmm, maybe should have used Appius Claudius (the Decemverite one) in place of Nero to contrast Cincinnatus (who a large part of his stuff is legend.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 28, 2023 05:57 PM (/xaUq)

268 PB are on trial for conspiracy to insurrect when they never talked to anyone about insurrect, never really entered capitol, also the cops/feds opened the doors and gave bewildered grandparents a free tour of the floor.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:58 PM (MLrvz)

269 256 Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (MLrvz)

"because it must dear sven it must"

Well no I am not a fan of magic thinking.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 05:58 PM (Lzpvj)

270 I have faced the fact that American women hate any woman politician that is prettier than them.

We will never have our Giorgia Meloni.
____

I'm available

Posted by: Stacey "Tank" Abrams at April 28, 2023 05:58 PM (fs1hN)

271
I love it when Ace steps into the arena and unleashes the cruel but factual hurt.

Posted by: Auspex at April 28, 2023 05:58 PM (j4U/Z)

272 I voted for Palin cuz she winked at me.

Posted by: Minister Of Formica at April 28, 2023 05:58 PM (MvF+J)

273 Trump did well.as president, but as far as elections go, he beat Hillary, the least liked and least likeable candidate in history. Then he lost to the pathetic Biden. He's never been really popular, and he's less liked now than he was in 2020. I not a big DeSantis fan, but Trump is a sure loser in 2024.

Posted by: Wally at April 28, 2023 05:58 PM (9hBdN)

274 There is probably no other candidate that energizes the other side than Trump.

We need enough people excited and energized to vote for Trump.

Unfortunately, we don't have that.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2023 05:59 PM (NpAcC)

275 Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at April 28, 2023 05:40 PM (iKBwy)

400,000 Trump voters stayed home in GA run offs .

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 05:43 PM

Yep, because he told them to.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2023 05:59 PM (ncXxy)

276 so, we get this chump to run againt Trump and the fight for the nomination takes Trump down one way or another

sounds like a win-win

Posted by: Rove at April 28, 2023 05:59 PM (us2H3)

277 I feel like I did during the Palin wars, when people kept insisting, despite all the evidence, that Palin was just as popular in America generally as she is on the right wing of the right wing.

No, she's not. Refusing to look at the facts doesn't change the facts.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:48 PM

I felt this way about Cruz. He kinda said the right things, politically, but I knee plenty of normies that just had a weird, visceral aversion to him for some unfathomable reason, and they didn't feel similarly about other R candidates.

However, is there a poll out there showing DeSantis is viewed much more favorably among the general public than Trump? I looked a bit, but didn't see anything...and similar to Cruz, I can see US liking his political actions, but maybe his charisma stat is a little low for the general public?

Posted by: Moron Analyst at April 28, 2023 05:59 PM (NCgXW)

278 >>>Trump proved in 2020 that he doesn’t have what it takes to combat the dems ability to fix the election. He was in the best possible position to combat it last time and he didn’t. There is no way he could be in a better position now that he’s out of office, and anything he could have learned from the experience can as equally be applied by another candidate as well. I don’t know if DeSantis can stop it either, but insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, so it seems like he should get a shot over giving Trump a mulligan on 2020.

My thoughts exactly. Trump doesn't even lay out a plan for dealing with this. We're just supposed to accept "And Then a Miracle Happens" and the #Rigged election of 2020 somehow doesn't happen again.

Why? Who knows. Power of prayer? I literally have no idea, Trump has never sketched out even a hypothetical scenario about this.

You can't just keep saying "I was robbed." Okay-- so they know how to rob you and get away with it. What is your plan for stopping the robbery?

He has none. We're just supposed to believe that this time, he'll be on the ball, unlike how he was in 2020.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:59 PM (iHBZj)

279
Philadelphia had to kick out election observers and manufacture ballots for days in order for Biden to “win”.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM

Pennsylvania had more ballots cast then voters. I think the final number was 80,000. But our Secretary of State 'CERTIFIED' that fraud. Fortunately SC Justice Clarence Thomas and the 5-4 majority decided to listen to some of the evidence.

:: record scratch ::

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (enJYY)

280 DeSantis and Youngkin, perhaps?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (XMGPZ)

That's a thought. VA has several good leaders at the top (for once) so him moving on wouldn't create much of a vacuum. He might be better in a Cabinet position, though.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (tp+tP)

281 268 Julie Kelly is really negative on their chances.

Posted by: Minister Of Formica at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (MvF+J)

282 Been pointing out forever that there is no way DeSantis passes this year, and nobody looking at it objectively would ever suggest that he do that. It's just wishful thinking. It looks like Trump may easily vanquish DeSantis, in which case Trump has nothing to worry about. But it's just plain silly to think there is a chance that DeSantis would or should sit this cycle out.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (YQ4mh)

283 Who ever the candidate is and the RNC should be focused right now like a laser on doing everything they can to make sure we have a fair election. They should concentrate on the Dem run cities to make it as hard as possible for them to cheat.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (ZB6WQ)

284 Yeah, the guy who beat the entire political establishment almost single-handedly in 2016 and is beating Your Lord and Savior Ron DeSantis by 20 TO 30 POINTS IN EVERY POLL, that guy just "doesn't understand politics."

Posted by: MBunge at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (2tWdQ)

Polls are always done with an agenda. Although I must admit, six-week abortion bans are suited to deep red states like Oklahoma and Idaho, but Florida? The only explanation is that someone told RDS he was behind Pence (!!) with evangelicals.

Posted by: trev006 at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (DTm0P)

285 Honest is the wrong word- but the case against Lula failed badly, and if Bolsonaro's position before the election was that strong why not crack down on the entire machine?
Posted by: trev006 at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (DTm0P)

Lula was involved with kickbacks and corruption in office and placed Dilma in office to cover for him. He is a corrupt marxist politician.
The case failed not during the initial case, and not during appeal, it was reversed after Lula was in prison serving his sentence.

A case is not considered to have failed badly if the case gets a conviction and beats the first appeal and then loses on a technicality.
Oh, and Bolsinaro was riding the razor edge of charged for various crimes as well.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 06:01 PM (xhaym)

286 277 Posted by: Moron Analyst at April 28, 2023 05:59 PM (NCgXW)

Yeah Biden is the living embodiment of charisma along with Fetterman....so is Feinstein come to think on it.....

not being able to communicate coherently makes every utterance an audience participation event.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 06:01 PM (Lzpvj)

287 283 Who ever the candidate is and the RNC should be focused right now like a laser on doing everything they can to make sure we have a fair election. They should concentrate on the Dem run cities to make it as hard as possible for them to cheat.
Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (ZB6WQ)

Well, that would be the sane thing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 28, 2023 06:01 PM (/xaUq)

288 IDK, what about candidate quality.

Posted by: sockamster, gator at April 28, 2023 06:01 PM (MLrvz)

289 I'd take either, but it seems to me that Trump will drive more of his opposition to vote than DeSantis. A lot more. And I realize that if DeSantis is the nominee, he's going to get the full Hitler treatment.

People tend to be more passionate about what they hate vs what they like, and fairly or not, the hatred for Trump is like I've never seen for any other politician. If he did lose in 20 (and I'm not saying he did), it was for the same reason Hillary lost in 16.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 28, 2023 06:01 PM (CcoDx)

290 260 You want Augusto Pinochet
You'll accept Francisco Franco
You'll get Marco Rubio
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM

So optimistic! We'll get Biden 2...and then maybe President Fetterman. Or AOC.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at April 28, 2023 06:01 PM (NCgXW)

291 What many here refuse to acknowledge is that the country of 2024 is nothing like it was 10 or 20 years ago. Some of you live in a bubble and think everyone thinks like you or your friends/family. You have no idea the hatred there is out there for Trump. Not from the far left, that's obvious. But from non-political types even. Yeah they may be LIVs and get their news only from the NYT and whatnot. But for whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, Trump is fucking loathed by a healthy majority of the public.

And yes DeSantis will be demonized as well. But no matter what they do, it won't come close to producing the primal hatred millions of people have towards Trump.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 06:01 PM (OalnH)

292
Youngkin isn't up for reelection until 2025, yes?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 06:01 PM (XMGPZ)

293 another commenter mentioned considerations having to do with fundraising and disclosures and when these must happen. Trump's best move =/= DeSantis' best move.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:57 PM (iHBZj)

Fair enough. If it's proof that there is a plan in place, as opposed to flying by the seat of one's pants, I'm happy.

Posted by: Dr. T at April 28, 2023 06:02 PM (tp+tP)

294 274

Unfortunately, he brings out more opposition than support.

We got a test run of Trump for 2022 and the most Trumpian candidates went down hard.

I don’t really buy into the idea that hard right voters sit out elections anyway. The base will Turn out, it’s the suburban swing voters that don’t like Trump

Posted by: Audio at April 28, 2023 06:02 PM (toXV1)

295 I would love to see the name recognition, yeah, it's important , numbers on Meatball

my guess is they are piss poor

except in Tokyo

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 06:02 PM (us2H3)

296 Youngkin isn't up for reelection until 2025, yes?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 06:01 PM (XMGPZ)

again, term limited

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 06:03 PM (us2H3)

297 Trump won one general election in a huge surprise then demonstrated an incredible inability to handle any slight. He was hamstrung his entire term by scandals and impeachment exacerbated by him picking the wrong people. When we needed law and order, he let antifa and BLM riot (out of fear). When we needed freedom, he supported lockdowns that destroyed his one great accomplishment (a booming economy). I just don't understand the hero worship.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 28, 2023 06:03 PM (iOTWL)

298 "My thoughts exactly. Trump doesn't even lay out a plan for dealing with this. We're just supposed to accept "And Then a Miracle Happens" and the #Rigged election of 2020 somehow doesn't happen again."

Actually, Trump has specifically said he's going to aggressively copy and exceed the Democrats when it comes to ballot-harvesting. So, he has a plan and he has laid it out. Maybe pay attention to something other than the Bubblewrap Ron pity party.

Posted by: MBunge at April 28, 2023 06:03 PM (2tWdQ)

299 295 I would love to see the name recognition, yeah, it's important , numbers on Meatball

my guess is they are piss poor

except in Tokyo
Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 06:02 PM (us2H3)

Rob Reiner or CAC?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 28, 2023 06:03 PM (/xaUq)

300 >>>I felt this way about Cruz. He kinda said the right things, politically, but I knee plenty of normies that just had a weird, visceral aversion to him for some unfathomable reason, and they didn't feel similarly about other R candidates.

yeah, I know what you mean, I felt that too. Cruz was my candidate by process of elimination. I didn't think he was a good candidate.

>>However, is there a poll out there showing DeSantis is viewed much more favorably among the general public than Trump?

Well yeah his unfavorables are nowhere near trump's. But people will say "That's not fair, they don't know DeSantis enough to have unfavorable opinions about him," which is true-ish, so we don't know how seriously to take his lower unfavorability.

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 06:03 PM (iHBZj)

301 I wish we would stop fighting with each other and point most of our fire at the real enemy on the left.
Sure have a primary and go after each other, politely, over issues and achievements. But stop giving the swamp, the left, and the MSM any extra ammunition

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 28, 2023 06:03 PM (Irn0L)

302 "he doesn’t have what it takes to combat the dems ability to fix the election. He was in the best possible position to combat it last time and he didn’t."

No worries, the rest of the GOP swiftly and effectively fixed the problems with our crooked election apparatus, as we all trusted them to do. They really stepped up. The pathway is now clear.

Posted by: Minister Of Formica at April 28, 2023 06:03 PM (MvF+J)

303
Incidentally, Kari Lake would've beat the fraud if she held back her Trump-like bluster just a little bit.

Lake talking shit about the FBI was dumb, for instance.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 06:04 PM (XMGPZ)

304 He might also not want to run Ace, what do we do then?

Posted by: Kindltot at April 28, 2023 06:04 PM (xhaym)

305 Pennsylvania had more ballots cast then voters.

Now, that's voter enthusiasm!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 06:04 PM (FVME7)

306 It's not about winning -- we can't win.
It's about sending a message.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 28, 2023 06:04 PM (Cpxov)

307 Sorry, but 2020 was Trump's year.

So is 2024. DeSantis is working for Trump.

Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2023 06:04 PM (Sv58p)

308
Except: Trump has among the highest unfavorables ever. I don't know why someone would think that a non-Trump just automatically assumes those high unfavorable numbers, as if Trump's personality has nothing -- NOTHING! -- to do with how people view him.

DeSantis may be viewed as "more extreme," though. And I know trump is going to play that card. We'll have to see how it plays when Trump makes it official that he's saying he's the more moderate, liberal candidate on abortion and transgenderism, and won't plunge us into a "Sanctimonious" culture war.

I think a lot of Trump's biggest fans will just change their positions to align with his, but a lot of other people will say, "This is where I get off of this particular train."

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 06:04 PM (iHBZj)

309 Not enough people recognize that Trump lost because he was up against Hillary.

Had Biden been the nominee in 2016, he would have won.

Posted by: Audio at April 28, 2023 06:04 PM (toXV1)

310 Who ever the candidate is and the RNC should be focused right now like a laser on doing everything they can to make sure we have a fair election. They should concentrate on the Dem run cities to make it as hard as possible for them to cheat.
Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (ZB6WQ)

It won't be safe to have fair elections until the little people give up on having fair elections.
The same folks in the GOP who undermined Trump during his presidency are still hanging around and will undermine his candidacy this time.
They hate him. They won't stop a steal.
Again.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 28, 2023 06:05 PM (FCbAQ)

311 Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (YQ4mh

DeSantis is 44 years old. Reagan was last Governor of CA in 1975. DeSantis can do the same thing Reagan did during those 4 years out of office before he ran for President.

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 06:05 PM (ZB6WQ)

312 He has none. We're just supposed to believe that this time, he'll be on the ball, unlike how he was in 2020.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:59 PM (iHBZj)
******
It will be worse this time because unfortunately for Trump he will have to focus on not going to prison.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2023 06:05 PM (NpAcC)

313 hang on, putting up the quick hits, didn't want to deal with this subject too long

Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 06:05 PM (iHBZj)

314 Fred Thompson is MY guy!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 28, 2023 06:05 PM (/xaUq)

315 280 DeSantis and Youngkin, perhaps?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:53 PM (XMGPZ)

That's a thought. VA has several good leaders at the top (for once) so him moving on wouldn't create much of a vacuum. He might be better in a Cabinet position, though.
Posted by: Dr. T at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (tp+tP)

I think he's a wonderful balance to DeSantis...he comes off so non-combative, and yet he pushes the policies just as hard. So, it's a good balance of personalities...

And yeah, VA getting its 1st black female Gov, and having Dems have to eat that she's a bada$$ conservative would be icing on the cake...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 28, 2023 06:06 PM (exHjb)

316 My thoughts exactly. Trump doesn't even lay out a plan for dealing with this. We're just supposed to accept "And Then a Miracle Happens" and the #Rigged election of 2020 somehow doesn't happen again. He has none. We're just supposed to believe that this time, he'll be on the ball, unlike how he was in 2020.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:59 PM

Shit! I must have missed DeSantis' plan on this, that solidified your support. You should post it here!

Snark aside...I haven't seen any Rs talk about it much yet.Kari Lake (and Trump, to a much lesser extent) went through multiple legal channels and were shut down. The RNC and various Republican governors didn't help in their states. Not sure what one candidate's plan can be.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at April 28, 2023 06:06 PM (NCgXW)

317
again, term limited
Posted by: REDACTED

Oh yeah. I forgot.
Stupid VA.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 06:06 PM (XMGPZ)

318 284 Yeah, the guy who beat the entire political establishment almost single-handedly in 2016 and is beating Your Lord and Savior Ron DeSantis by 20 TO 30 POINTS IN EVERY POLL, that guy just "doesn't understand politics."

Posted by: MBunge at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (2tWdQ)

Polls are always done with an agenda. Although I must admit, six-week abortion bans are suited to deep red states like Oklahoma and Idaho, but Florida? The only explanation is that someone told RDS he was behind Pence (!!) with evangelicals.
Posted by: trev006 at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (DTm0P)
----
Just like a poll I saw earlier this week that said 20% of Generation Z identify as LGBT.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 28, 2023 06:06 PM (ssESX)

319 Hits that are quick is nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 28, 2023 06:06 PM (/xaUq)

320 I was a Cruz guy, I love Cruz....

In essence we have a portion of the American public that is so rage-filled (properly) at the machine and the situation extant that they are at the Walter White throws a pizza on the roof stage of political thought.

So Trump is going to have as Zhou Bai-Dan correctly said "the greatest fraud machine ever"....

Great where is the evidence of him hiring people to trawl the senior centers?

Where is the Ornage Toupee Weasel Express free phones and I-Cods for signing up to vote?

It sounds an AWFUL lot like Romney's "Moby Dick" or whatever the fuck he called his asshole impersonation of Obama's datamining and network mapping.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 06:06 PM (Lzpvj)

321 nood

Posted by: Minister Of Formica at April 28, 2023 06:06 PM (MvF+J)

322 The Proud Boys are in a Kangaroo Court, law and justice has no bearing on them, they were trapped by the Fed and are going to pay dearly.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2023 06:07 PM (xhxe8)

323 there aint no way in hell Youngkin would take the back seat to Meatball

Youngkin is skilled pol and defeated a formidable oppenent in a blue state

odds on favorite for 2028

maybe why Meatball feels so anxious to run in a no win situation

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 06:07 PM (us2H3)

324 The six-week abortion ban.

Is this how you position yourself to win a presidential election?

Playing with third-rails will get you fried.

There are a lot of people here in FL that are very, very upset about this but you don't see it in the papers.

Posted by: pawn at April 28, 2023 06:07 PM (kYVzH)

325 >>yeah, I know what you mean, I felt that too. Cruz was my candidate by process of elimination. I didn't think he was a good candidate.

This reminds me -- I was all in for Duncan Hunter based on his China position.... in 2008.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at April 28, 2023 06:08 PM (Cpxov)

326 Incidentally, Kari Lake would've beat the fraud if she held back her Trump-like bluster just a little bit.

Lake talking shit about the FBI was dumb, for instance.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 06:04 PM (XMGPZ)

You are assuming that the election was 100% honest.
Maricopa seemed to have shit the bed, but make it about the "quality of candidate".
I'm not so sure.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 28, 2023 06:08 PM (FCbAQ)

327 I wish we would stop fighting with each other and point most of our fire at the real enemy on the left.

The People's Man Boy True Conservative Front?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 28, 2023 06:08 PM (FVME7)

328 311 Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (YQ4mh

DeSantis is 44 years old. Reagan was last Governor of CA in 1975. DeSantis can do the same thing Reagan did during those 4 years out of office before he ran for President.
Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 06:05 PM (ZB6WQ)

Reagan ran in 1968 and 1976 before winning in 1980.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 28, 2023 06:08 PM (exHjb)

329 292
Youngkin isn't up for reelection until 2025, yes?

No. Sitting VA Governors can't run for re-election. Although they can try after sitting out a term (like McCaulliff). Youngkin seems almost certain to be on the VP short list in 2024.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 28, 2023 06:08 PM (YQ4mh)

330 DeSantis banned books about ANNE FRANK and ROBERTO CLEMENTE OMGERD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Your local news every day for 6 months leading up to election day at April 28, 2023 06:08 PM (fs1hN)

331 Trump won one general election in a huge surprise then demonstrated an incredible inability to handle any slight. He was hamstrung his entire term by scandals and impeachment exacerbated by him picking the wrong people. When we needed law and order, he let antifa and BLM riot (out of fear). When we needed freedom, he supported lockdowns that destroyed his one great accomplishment (a booming economy). I just don't understand the hero worship.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at April 28, 2023 06:03 PM

trump by his own admission *knew* that he was going to lose in 2016. His win surprised him and literally the entire country and he was not prepared to take over. He kept appointing people to positions that had no business being there. Even morons like us were groaning when he appointed jeff sessions as AG because we knew he would cave in a New York minute.

Bottom line is that trump was not prepared to win in 2016 and he spent most of his time attacking the people he appointed and he appears to be ready to make the same mistakes again.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2023 06:08 PM (ncXxy)

332 After listening to Don Junior beg for everyone to stop the AB boycott because they donate, I don't want any part of the Trump entourage near the WH again. I'm back on the Ronny Train. Toot toot.

President Trump - I am great.

Governor DeSantis - He gave big pharma immunity.

Thank you gentlemen and we'll see you in the WH Gov. DeSantis.

Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 06:08 PM (N5C4b)

333 Trump's best move =/= DeSantis' best move.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:57 PM (iHBZj)

That goes both ways. DeSantis missed both CPAC and the NRA convention in his Quest for More Money, which is a very bad idea if you need grassroots attention. It's mainly the strategy you use if your campaign is completely dominated by DC consultants who don't actually know how to appeal to the grassroots without endorsements and money.

One more little item: here's Rep. Greg Steube defending Trump (no surprise), and being down on RDS (a little surprising).

What is surprising is that Fox News turned off the comments and thought no one would notice. I'm surprised they left the video up.

https://youtu.be/t6ndR-QaMN4

Posted by: trev006 at April 28, 2023 06:09 PM (DTm0P)

334 273 Trump did well.as president, but as far as elections go, he beat Hillary, the least liked and least likeable candidate in history. Then he lost to the pathetic Biden. He's never been really popular, and he's less liked now than he was in 2020. I not a big DeSantis fan, but Trump is a sure loser in 2024.
Posted by: Wally at April 28, 2023 05:58 PM (9hBdN)

This is a valid point. It's unfortunate that a guy who did the good things he did could only win against the she-beast of the donkey church, but them's the breaks.

Posted by: CppThis at April 28, 2023 06:09 PM (PZvjL)

335 Posted by: MBunge at April 28, 2023 06:03 PM (2tWdQ)

You had a valid point . Why do you have to be an unnecessary dick?

Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 06:09 PM (ZB6WQ)

336 I'd like to see DeSantis finish out his term and see if he can achieve what he set out to do. Plus setting the stage for a successor to continue the agenda.

I have no objections to him, simply want to see if he turns out to be a really good governor.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 28, 2023 06:09 PM (KATBx)

337 So Trump gets his reelection in 2020 - and consequently, America's once promising future - stolen due to a massive criminal conspiracy of Big Business, Big Tech, Leftists, RINOS, The Chamber of Commerce, Soros-backed nonprofit front organizations, Communist China and other domestic/foreign enemies, yet according to the "Almighty Ace," that's just tough titties because it's past his time, or some such fucking nonsense.

When the United States collapses, I'm looking forward to most of the GOPe being lined up in front of a firing squad and given just what they deserve for the evil they sat by and allowed to happen to this nation, because all they cared about was money. Maybe they will have searing liquid gold poured down their mouths (the Crassus way) as they watch the American flag get ripped down and will pass away knowing that it was all their fault.

And fuck Desantis! I don't owe him shit and sure as hell won't vote for him under ANY circumstances. You read that right! There's a price to pay for 2020, since we all know that NOT ONE DAMN THING will ever be done to bring to justice those who are responsible.

2020: NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGIVE!

Posted by: Tracy at April 28, 2023 06:10 PM (pTJ3b)

338 What's DeSantis's plan to get Trump's voters without Trump?

And where did I leave that ignore_user() script. It's going to be a long campaign.

Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2023 06:11 PM (FhXTo)

339 292
Youngkin isn't up for reelection until 2025, yes?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 06:01 PM (XMGPZ)

VA Governor is 1-term only, must wait at least the next term to run again (Terry tried that and lost).

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at April 28, 2023 06:11 PM (4enNW)

340 328 311 Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 28, 2023 06:00 PM (YQ4mh

DeSantis is 44 years old. Reagan was last Governor of CA in 1975. DeSantis can do the same thing Reagan did during those 4 years out of office before he ran for President.
Posted by: polynikes at April 28, 2023 06:05 PM (ZB6WQ)

Reagan ran in 1968 and 1976 before winning in 1980.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 28, 2023 06:08 PM (exHjb)
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and was afflicted with Alzheimer's before the end of his second term.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 28, 2023 06:11 PM (ssESX)

341 I realize it sounds awfully quaint to say it, but nobody owes these politicians jack shit.

Personally, any politician who steps aside because it's not his "turn" would be signaling that he's not concerned about what he can do for the country. And any politician who asks another to step aside is an egomaniac who doesn't deserve the job.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2023 06:11 PM (ceWVe)

342 Incidentally, Kari Lake would've beat the fraud if she held back her Trump-like bluster just a little bit.

Lake talking shit about the FBI was dumb, for instance.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 06:04 PM (XMGPZ)
********
She made the same mistakes Trump did.

And people may not like this little truth, but she should never have said what she did to the McCain's.
Even if we despise McCain
you need to win over his voters to vote for you.
Instead she pissed them off and alienated them.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2023 06:11 PM (NpAcC)

343 337 Posted by: Tracy at April 28, 2023 06:10 PM (pTJ3b)

and there goes the pizza.

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 06:11 PM (Lzpvj)

344 309 Not enough people recognize that Trump lost because he was up against Hillary.

Had Biden been the nominee in 2016, he would have won.

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I assume you mean was NOT up against Hillary and you're right.

Posted by: Montec at April 28, 2023 06:12 PM (OalnH)

345 He has none. We're just supposed to believe that this time, he'll be on the ball, unlike how he was in 2020.
Posted by: ace at April 28, 2023 05:59 PM (iHBZj)

Well, if that were going to be the case, he'd stop giving interviews to lefty shitbags like Haberman over at the NYT - but he doesn't stop doing what he does. Like a shark destine to meet its fate at the end of Quigs rope, Trump moves, talks, thinks like every single celebrity NY-er does. Any press where I am the topic? - Good! Close ups/ rallies where I am the center of attention? - Good! - lots of photographs of me? - good! Famous people associated with me? Good!

The policy that he knows that he needs to get that NYC attention they all crave is MAGA - so its good for the country - but if he thought for one second that someone else would steal that and use it- then not good!

These NYC celebrities are wafer thin in moral and philosophical thought process but miles deep in ego - that's Trump. He is what he is - vote for him and get a NYC celebrity as your President - hey, better than Punchy!

Posted by: Boswell at April 28, 2023 06:12 PM (+Cgut)

346 and was afflicted with Alzheimer's before the end of his second term.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 28, 2023 06:11 PM (ssESX)

Yet 1000 times more coherent than Biden was 5 years ago.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 28, 2023 06:12 PM (YQ4mh)

347 207 This will devolve in to madness
.......

Not if we switch to fish puns.

Posted by: wth at April 28, 2023 05:50 PM (v0R5T)
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This may not be the plaice to do that.

Posted by: Ciampino -- Re-entrant: see re-entrant at April 28, 2023 06:13 PM (qfLjt)

348
I think I heard RFK say to Cavuto about Joe
"we're all family"

I've got all my sisters with me.

Posted by: RFK jr at April 28, 2023 06:15 PM (63Dwl)

349 347 207 This will devolve in to madness
.......

Not if we switch to fish puns.

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This may not be the plaice to do that.
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Could roll the dace and see what comes up...

Posted by: Your local news every day for 6 months leading up to election day at April 28, 2023 06:15 PM (fs1hN)

350 338 What's DeSantis's plan to get Trump's voters without Trump?

And where did I leave that ignore_user() script. It's going to be a long campaign.
Posted by: DaveA at April 28, 2023 06:11 PM (FhXTo)
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OnlyTrump voters have already made it clear they will sit if they don't get their way, and get 4 more years of Biden, so I guess that's up to Trump.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 28, 2023 06:15 PM (ssESX)

351 "And where did I leave that ignore_user() script. It's going to be a long campaign."

You have one that still works? As far as I know, I was broken years ago.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at April 28, 2023 06:15 PM (89Sog)

352 Hadn't heard of Community. They seem to work very hard.

Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2023 06:16 PM (amJF4)

353 "Why do you have to be an unnecessary dick?" - polynikes

I admit, it's a big failing of mine. But, in my defense, I'm usually only a dick in response to obviously stupid and unreasoning arguments.

I mean, you want to complain about Trump demanding "loyalty" from DeSantis? Fine. But you can't then IMMEDIATELY turn around and talk about it being "DeSantis' time" as though Trump is the one who should just step aside.

Posted by: MBunge at April 28, 2023 06:16 PM (2tWdQ)

354 The political landscape was different in 2020 than it was in 2016

and it will be different in 2024, which will allow Trump to win

book it

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 06:16 PM (us2H3)

355 LoL The script was broken. I've been broke forever.

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at April 28, 2023 06:17 PM (89Sog)

356 I voted for Trump twice and I appreciate what he did for this country. I will not vote for him. He is mean and unprincipled and he will lose. Too many of my swing vote Wine Moms will NOT vote for him. They hate him. Full stop.

If Desantis does well and gets the nomination, he can win and hopefully overcome the margin of fraud. I would love to see him put Ramaswamy on the ticket as VP outsider to clean out the swamp. I also like Tim Scott very much. We have to make the ticket new, interesting and conservative.

Those guys fit the bill for me.

OK, hit me with your best shot.

Posted by: Czech Chick at April 28, 2023 06:17 PM (6Tc2R)

357 342 Incidentally, Kari Lake would've beat the fraud if she held back her Trump-like bluster just a little bit.

Lake talking shit about the FBI was dumb, for instance.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 06:04 PM (XMGPZ)
********
She made the same mistakes Trump did.

And people may not like this little truth, but she should never have said what she did to the McCain's.
Even if we despise McCain
you need to win over his voters to vote for you.
Instead she pissed them off and alienated them.
Posted by: redridinghood

We donated $500 to her campaign. She bungled the entire race. Very disappointed in her.

Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 06:17 PM (N5C4b)

358 Donald Trump is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life. Raymond Shaw told me so.

More seriously, he really understands loyalty, unlike this DeSantis fellow. How he stoked the J6 thing and then let those citizens rot in jail for untold months as he collected millions in small-dollar contributions without even starting a go-fund me for their families or legal defense funds is just a sterling example of the type of New York character we should expect from our leaders who *actually get it*.

What did Karl Rove says, we could drink a beer with him. Oh, he doesn't drink...

Posted by: TheInverseAgonist at April 28, 2023 06:17 PM (wPddx)

359 someone is gonna shit their pants when Meatball endorses Trump

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 06:18 PM (us2H3)

360 A month from now, if DeSantis declares, we'll have one R candidate out there railing against biden, and ALL the other Republican candidates, Trump, Hogan, Haley, Baker, etc., railing against DeSantis.

Let that soak in your brains for a moment.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (XMGPZ)

——-

That’s a lie, but stick with and I’m sure you will convince people to DSs side.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 28, 2023 06:19 PM (cMXNt)

361 349 347 207 This will devolve in to madness
.......

Not if we switch to fish puns.

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This may not be the plaice to do that.
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Could roll the dace and see what comes up...
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Puns appear to have floundered.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 28, 2023 06:20 PM (fs1hN)

362 Tracy, this is a Wendy's

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at April 28, 2023 06:20 PM (4enNW)

363 Rove actually said

Trump thinks "I endorsed you, now you endorse me. That's not how it works !"

no Pigshit, that's exactly how it works

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 06:20 PM (us2H3)

364 362 Posted by: Jeff Weimer at April 28, 2023 06:20 PM (4enNW)

"Ma'am the gun points DOWN the range."

Posted by: sven at April 28, 2023 06:23 PM (Lzpvj)

365 The same people carping about DeSantis never mention he stuck it to the mouse nice and hard. I doubt Trump would do the same.

Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 06:23 PM (N5C4b)

366 Trump trashes DeSantis, uses pejoratives against him, and then demands loyalty? Is Trump high?

Posted by: halfastro at April 28, 2023 06:23 PM (ccSJc)

367 Let that soak in your brains for a moment.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at April 28, 2023 05:56 PM (XMGPZ)

finally, someone recognizes I have 2 brains

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 06:23 PM (us2H3)

368 DeSantis showed in 2022 that Republicans *can* register and turn-out voters who are Republicans, Centrists and disenfranchised democrats that are culturally conservative.

While Donald Trump was telling people not to vote-by-mail, DeSantis was encouraging them to do so, and they did, only with a Republican slate checked off.

And that is how you win by almost 20 points.

Aren't you guys sick of losing? Donald Trump in 2016 beat the single most polarizing and hated, female, politician in American history. By 2018 he was a known quantity and we lost, by 2020 he lost against a dementia patient who never left the basement; think about it. Someone who phoned it in (and even fucked that up) beat him. 2022 was a disaster of epic proportion.

I'm allowed one mistake, but I course correct and will never make the same mistake twice. Some of you though... enjoy the last days in the Führerbunker.

Posted by: TheInverseAgonist at April 28, 2023 06:25 PM (wPddx)

369 363
Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 06:20 PM (us2H3)

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He hate meatballs! Stay away from the spaghetti!

Posted by: The Jerk at April 28, 2023 06:26 PM (ssESX)

370 "I will not vote for him. He is mean and unprincipled and he will lose. Too many of my swing vote Wine Moms will NOT vote for him. They hate him."

if you can decide to refuse to vote for Trump just because "he will lose," I and anyone else can decide not to vote for DeSantis because HE WILL LOSE.

It's weird how people just automatically assume DeSantis will survive the media/Democrat jihad just because Trump has. It's especially weird because DeSantis has been destroyed in the GOP primary when it's basically just been Trump going after him. How is Bubblewrap Ron going to hold up when every news show on every network every hour of every day is calling him "the guy who wants to kill trans kids" and "the guy who wants to ban abortion nationwide?"

Posted by: MBunge at April 28, 2023 06:26 PM (2tWdQ)

371 Exploratory committee? That shows you are a moron at this point. The Chinese have just attacked Taiwan. “I’ll form an exploratory committee and get back to you”.

Posted by: DavidH at April 28, 2023 06:26 PM (LfE+L)

372 We donated $500 to her campaign. She bungled the entire race. Very disappointed in her.
Posted by: Maj. Healey -Eff Fox at April 28, 2023 06:17 PM (N5C4b)

I get it - win any way you can and then worry about rebuking the 20% of your voters who - let's face it - probably needed it. Kari Lake pretty much said "you know what, it personally sucks too much to pretend these people deserve anything less than my middle finger."

Well, she's not Governor, the self-congratulating McCain voters got someone who is going to make it a point to torture them, and everyone who watched the whole drama unfold are now saying, Jesus' man, that state of Arizona is pretty retarded!

No one got what they wanted but everyone got what they deserved.

Posted by: Boswell at April 28, 2023 06:27 PM (+Cgut)

373 Nood quick hits.

Posted by: The Jerk at April 28, 2023 06:28 PM (ssESX)

374 when's the last time you heard Meatball trash a republican we universally hate ?

like a Turtle, a Bush or a Mutt

Posted by: REDACTED at April 28, 2023 06:29 PM (us2H3)

375 Just like a poll I saw earlier this week that said 20% of Generation Z identify as LGBT.
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It's 25%. And we never lie.

Posted by: The CDC at April 28, 2023 06:30 PM (sWM8x)

376 "374 when's the last time you heard Meatball trash a republican we universally hate ?

like a Turtle, a Bush or a Mutt -- REDACTED"

Because instead of calling people reductionist and silly names, in the process turning off women and swing voters, DeSantis actually accomplishes things. Which is why he *won reelection* by 20% while Trump *lost* reelection by 5%.

And how did that "draining the swamp" go? Last I checked, Trump just moved it to Mar-a-Lago.

How's the border? The wall doing good or is Bannon still collecting money off it?

I do like what his son-in-law did in the Middle East, then again he wants nothing to do with him anymore. He was always the smart one.

Posted by: TheInverseAgonist at April 28, 2023 06:36 PM (wPddx)

377 Marcus T: Stai zitt,' vacca fotuta.

Posted by: Regular joe at April 28, 2023 07:06 PM (nnp+f)

378 238 219 Biden says we can only re-elect Trump: https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1651994502557745152
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Rated: Partly False. Deceptively edited. It's not what Biden meant to say.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 28, 2023 05:54 PM (fs1hN)
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We all know what the bumbling fool meant, it's a joke. And it's not deceptively edited. Why so serious, Mr. Factcheck.org fan?

Posted by: Fedup at April 28, 2023 09:03 PM (uZn/X)

379 >>>And I know this upsets people to hear, but Ron DeSantis did give Trump an open lane for reelection... in 2020. This is DeSantis' year. DeSantis isn't intruding in Trump's year; Trump is intruding in DeSantis'.

LMAO. Summer of George all over again.

Someone might poke him with a stick and show him he's 30 points down in "his year."

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 28, 2023 10:35 PM (7R+co)

380 "This is DeSantis' year. DeSantis isn't intruding in Trump's year; Trump is intruding in DeSantis'."

WTF? Did the GOP become a monarchy when no one was looking?

Posted by: Mhandisi at April 28, 2023 11:27 PM (gkTwI)

381 "It's weird how people just automatically assume DeSantis will survive the media/Democrat jihad just because Trump has. It's especially weird because DeSantis has been destroyed in the GOP primary when it's basically just been Trump going after him. How is Bubblewrap Ron going to hold up when every news show on every network every hour of every day is calling him "the guy who wants to kill trans kids" and "the guy who wants to ban abortion nationwide?""

Add to that the fact that the Biden* Department of Justice has been making noises about investigating DeSantis for "human trafficking".

The Ronulans have this interesting belief that DeSantis will either be immune to attacks from the Joseph Goebbels media, or at least they will not be as effective as they were against Trump. Ronulans remind me of football fans screaming that if only the backup quarterback can become the starter the team will win the championship. It never occurs to them that the reason the starter is struggling might be because the rest of the team is shit. Have we seen any evidence over the last two years that the post-Trump GOP is really going to put the fight the Democrats?

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Posted by: www.Payathome7.com at April 29, 2023 12:28 PM (7+6WS)

383 August 8th, 2022. That is the day DeSantis went into hiding on behalf of globalist donors. If I were him I would have immediately stated:

"The federal government is conducting an illegal raid of our former president and I order our Florida sheriff's to go to the site and exert their jurisdiction protecting the former presidents constitutional rights(which is a sheriff's job).

He didn't and thus fired the first shot at the man who helped him over the finish line in 2018. Loyalty isn't final in this case, but it does matter.

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