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Doc_0: You Can't Libertarian Your Way Out of Tyranny
Kyle Shideler noticed that The Regime has a funny ol' habit of framing people for the crimes they themselves are committing:
John Hayward
@Doc_0 Libertarians and small-government conservatives may not like it, but the cold truth is that reforming a titanic mega-government is impossible without amassing and using State power. You have to play the game, and play to win. Your adversaries most certainly do.
You have to play the game at every level, too. It's important to organize at the local level and win state and county races, but that doesn't count for much in the long run if the gigantic central government is wholly run by aggressive totalitarian statists. Totalitarian ideologies prosper by exploiting the natural desire of dissidents to be left alone. They don't like win-at-all-costs politics. They fear corruption. They aren't looking to impose their views on others by force. They're focused on family and individual achievement. But totalitarians LOVE all of those things. They absolutely do want to impose their views on others by force, and they do whatever it takes to amass the government and corporate power to do so. They laugh as the desire to be left alone gives them isolated targets to pick off. When the totalitarian Left was out of power, it spent decades mocking the notion of teaching positive "values" in school or transmitting them through culture. Those who value liberty and individualism, who want to be left alone, were easily bullied into silence by these lectures. But the instant the totalitarian Left gained power, it began constructing gigantic government and corporate machines to transmit ITS values. Culture became the endless, dreary woke scolding we're accustomed to now. Private employees are force-marched into indoctrination sessions. Clearly the Left never believed for an instant that values cannot be transmitted, or that the State should not "impose morals" on citizens. It only needed to bully ordinary people into silence for a decade or so, until it gained total control over government and capital. Totalitarianism is a game you cannot elect not to play. You can't hide from it. You cannot impress totalitarians by showing them how YOU refuse to compromise your libertarian principles. There are no cease-fires, no safe areas, no holy ground where swords cannot be drawn. The deeper problem is that you cannot reform a titanic, aggressive, totalitarian State by simply winning elections now and then. Lord knows everyone should see that clearly by now. You have to develop the political infrastructure necessary to exploit electoral victory. That's the part of the game libertarians naturally shy away from, but if you win elections without a deep bench of dedicated, energetic, skilled professionals ready to sweep into the bureaucracy and implement your programs, you'll be easily thwarted by the permanent State. The Left has such armies constantly ready to roll, with reinforcements on standby. It has institutions, both private and funded by taxpayer dollars, that exist primarily to keep left-wing officials and bureaucrats paid and ready for the next Democrat administration. Of course sincere small-government conservatives recoil from such endeavors. They don't want to siphon off tax dollars to finance ideological armies and crusades. They don't dream of conquering the federal bureaucracy. That's the kind of thing they oppose on principle. Most people with libertarian leanings are very leery of anything that smacks of "imposing values" on others. It's why they fell so easily into the "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" trap the Left built for them, while Lefty ran wild building his indoctrination machine. But as we've learned painfully over the course of the post-Reagan era, if you don't fight to defend and transmit your values, the totalitarians will enshrine and forcibly transmit THEIRS. The only two options in a "culture war" against totalitarians are fight and surrender. That means you have to develop institutions that can protect and transmit your values - and you have to build aggressive institutions that can win, and ruthlessly USE, central political power. If you don't take and hold ground, you will be conquered, simple as that. We're far past the point where the march to totalitarian - and, increasingly, authoritarian - centralized power and national ruin can be won by playing defense. We need leaders who will pick important fights, win them, and exploit their victories with gusto. And we need generals with bureaucratic armies lined up behind them, not just a few charismatic vote-getters or skilled rhetoricians. Not people who can win arguments, but people who can win battles - and who know how to use those victories. The Left realized long ago that whining about tactics is transitory. With titanic amounts of money and power at stake, what matters is the victory. That money can be spent to change people's lives, to hire more bureaucrats, to build ideological machinery that lasts for decades. Look at any corrupt cesspool on Earth, and you'll see honest people backing completely away from politics because they're disgusted, they fear they would themselves become corrupted if they participate, and they think defeating the entrenched power cartel is impossible. Can you grapple with a monster without becoming a monster? Yes, with faith and discipline - but in any event, you MUST. If you don't get into the game, you will lose. You must control the State to make it smaller. Ride the Leviathan, or you will be devoured by it. /end
It's no coincidence at all, says Kyle Shideler of the Center for Security Policy.
Just as Hillary Clinton needed an answer to her own national security investigation and dialed up the completely-invented "Trump is a Russian Agent" scam to deflect from her own crimes, so too is the DOJ now dialing up some Very Dangerous and Scary Pro-Life Protesters so you don't notice the antifa and Jane's Revenge firebombers. Shideler:
In a very real way, the FBI jujitusing a rash of anarchist attacks against pro-lifers into a reason to investigate pro-lifers is very similar to the J6 situation & Russia Collusion Hoax before it.
For the better part of a year, anarchist and black identity extremists launched massive violent riots. 2 billion dollars in damage, numerous people killed. Serious people (AG Barr) were calling for seditious conspiracy prosecutions & POTUS was threatening the insurrection act. The DOJ/FBI was being hammered on its failures to investigate and prosecute, including when anarchists like Lisa Fithian openly called for preparing to occupy govt buildings in the event the 2020 election didn't go their way. So with J6 we see an overwhelming demand to use the term insurrection and for DOJ to charge seditious conspiracy (including using as evidence the fact defendants armed themselves against Antifa which had attacked numerous previous rallies in DC). And before J6 with the Whitmer fednapping case. The story HAD to be about right wingers storming government buildings in a seditious conspiracy. Why? BECAUSE that is what the radicals on the left were being accused of and the accusation needed to be neutralized. That's why J6 couldn't be the story of a rowdy protest that got out of hand. It needed to be about seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government and an insurrection --specifically those words. Similarly with the Russia Collusion hoax. We think of the previous Clinton scandal as being about classified information. Which is true. But perhaps more importantly, Clinton was being accused of selling access, including to Russia.[Link to TheHill.com article]
FBI's 37 secret pages of memos about Russia, Clintons and Uranium One
The FBI actually released a few documents -- but they were just already-public letters from members of Congress demanding answers in the Uranium One case.
It was therefore imperative that the DOJ investigate Trump for foreign ties, and not just any foreign ties. It needed to be Russia.
In each case, what you see is the FBI/DOJ coming under criticism by conservatives for failing to enforce the law. And each time the response was "oh yeah. We'll enforce it good and HARD. Against you." Complain about firebombs at pregnancy centers. We'll arrest sidewalk counselors. Complain about a presidential candidate selling Uranium to Moscow, we'll claim yours was a Russian agent. Complain about insurrection? We'll show you insurrection.
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Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 03:34 PM (ncXxy)
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The intelligence community has been playing hardball since WWII. The OSS was formed during WWII as an off the books black ops organization with zero oversight by congress that reported only to the President of the United States. They carried out all sorts of illegal shenanigans all over the world during the war. That was needed during wartime and they should have been disbanded after the war but they weren't.
They went on to become famous as the cia responsible for black ops during the Vietnam War. Assassinations and outright murders were the norm for them and they ran wild in South East Asia.
Now they have morphed into the cia, fbi, dhs, dni, etc. and they still operate with literally zero oversight.
This will not end well.
They went on to become famous as the cia responsible for black ops during the Vietnam War. Assassinations and outright murders were the norm for them and they ran wild in South East Asia.
Now they have morphed into the cia, fbi, dhs, dni, etc. and they still operate with literally zero oversight.
This will not end well.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 03:40 PM (ncXxy)
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One of libertarianism's biggest weakness is that its just not proactive or energetic. Its full of ideas and bong-night circle inspirations, but not action. Libertarians also aren't big on grouping up or protesting. They're too individualistic and let's say, lacking motivation to do anything that gets something done,
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 29, 2023 03:41 PM (0hOvj)
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Here is the problem: in order for letters such as this to work, those receiving the letter have to both care as well as respect the role of Congress and their processes. This regime, this FBI, this DOJ and the democrats in general, have proven over and over they don’t.
Posted by: Piper at May 29, 2023 03:41 PM (ZdaMQ)
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Kyle Shideler noticed that The Regime has a funny ol' habit of framing people for the crimes they themselves are committing:
Projection ain't just the Nile River, Jack! That's in Egypt.
Projection ain't just the Nile River, Jack! That's in Egypt.
Posted by: President Biden at May 29, 2023 03:41 PM (NCgXW)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 29, 2023 03:43 PM (MoZTd)
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My big problem with libertarians is that they still argue in the hypothetical, as if we don't have over 20 years of data about what happens when you legalize drugs and normalize sexual deviancy.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at May 29, 2023 03:44 PM (Q5Rhn)
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They're too individualistic and let's say, lacking motivation to do anything that gets something done,
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 29, 2023 03:41 PM (0hOvj)
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Hey, dude, I'm motivated to bonk a whore.
They're too individualistic and let's say, lacking motivation to do anything that gets something done,
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 29, 2023 03:41 PM (0hOvj)
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Hey, dude, I'm motivated to bonk a whore.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 29, 2023 03:45 PM (MoZTd)
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Among the many things the Left claimed to venerate and moved to end the nanosecond it attained power was free speech. If we ever get power again we need to censor the living fuck out of them. It may not be who were are, but it is who we need to be.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 29, 2023 03:46 PM (KSNKu)
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Can you grapple with a monster without becoming a monster? Yes, with faith and discipline - but in any event, you MUST. If you don't get into the game, you will lose. You must control the State to make it smaller. Ride the Leviathan, or you will be devoured by it.
There is an exact parallel in the defeat of the Axis. In order to accomplish the goal, it was necessary to adopt some of their characteristics that made them so loathsome, e.g. militarization of society, suspension of civil rights (at least in the military), compulsory service, and a vast increase in the influence of the government in the economy.
The trick is to keep these changes under control, and get rid of them as soon as the enemy is defeated.
The odd thing is that the left is doing these things and we aren't even in a war, at least not one involving a foreign enemy.
There is an exact parallel in the defeat of the Axis. In order to accomplish the goal, it was necessary to adopt some of their characteristics that made them so loathsome, e.g. militarization of society, suspension of civil rights (at least in the military), compulsory service, and a vast increase in the influence of the government in the economy.
The trick is to keep these changes under control, and get rid of them as soon as the enemy is defeated.
The odd thing is that the left is doing these things and we aren't even in a war, at least not one involving a foreign enemy.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 29, 2023 03:46 PM (eOEVl)
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When the totalitarian Left was out of power, it spent decades mocking the notion of teaching positive "values" in school or transmitting them through culture. Those who value liberty and individualism, who want to be left alone, were easily bullied into silence by these lectures.
I don't care if tens of millions of people suffer and die under my lifeless controlling authoritarian regime. I feel fulfilled when I control people. This is my happy place.
I don't care if tens of millions of people suffer and die under my lifeless controlling authoritarian regime. I feel fulfilled when I control people. This is my happy place.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 03:46 PM (slgIg)
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"Kyle Shideler noticed that The Regime has a funny ol' habit of framing people for the crimes they themselves are committing:"
Projection ain't just the Nile River, Jack! That's in Egypt."
imo it is not projection, it is a planned tactic. They know how much money Hillary and Biden were taking from enemies, and they had to cover it up. Hence the "Counter-Narrative" was hatched, and every network built it up like a soap opera.
Projection ain't just the Nile River, Jack! That's in Egypt."
imo it is not projection, it is a planned tactic. They know how much money Hillary and Biden were taking from enemies, and they had to cover it up. Hence the "Counter-Narrative" was hatched, and every network built it up like a soap opera.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 29, 2023 03:47 PM (Cus5s)
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Me thinks thou doest project too much, I mean object strenuously what thou protest which is just the left pre-blaming what they themselves are doing. Since forever and a day.
bigK give more soaring praise for his negotiation skills or is that for tomorrow? Joey and bigK clutched hands held high in a 'stunning' bipartisan victory for the citizenry.
Whoa!
bigK give more soaring praise for his negotiation skills or is that for tomorrow? Joey and bigK clutched hands held high in a 'stunning' bipartisan victory for the citizenry.
Whoa!
Posted by: micky at May 29, 2023 03:48 PM (3byMq)
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Trump understands this. The GOP understands this. Unfortunately for Trump, the GOP was quite happy with the way government power was being wielded and was not on board with him changing anything.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 03:48 PM (slgIg)
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My big problem with libertarians is that they still argue in the hypothetical, as if we don't have over 20 years of data about what happens when you legalize drugs and normalize sexual deviancy.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at May 29, 2023 03:44 PM (Q5Rhn)
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THIS.
It's why I characterize libertarianism as a puerile political philosophy that exerts a siren call to adolescents of all ages. Leave it in the dorm room, guys, and grow up.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at May 29, 2023 03:44 PM (Q5Rhn)
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THIS.
It's why I characterize libertarianism as a puerile political philosophy that exerts a siren call to adolescents of all ages. Leave it in the dorm room, guys, and grow up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 03:48 PM (YqDXo)
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We are going down the rabbit hole fast
Posted by: Skip at May 29, 2023 03:49 PM (xhxe8)
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Me thinks thou doest project too much, I mean object strenuously what thou protest which is just the left pre-blaming what they themselves are doing. Since forever and a day.
bigK give more soaring praise for his negotiation skills or is that for tomorrow? Joey and bigK clutched hands held high in a 'stunning' bipartisan victory for the citizenry.
Whoa!
?
bigK give more soaring praise for his negotiation skills or is that for tomorrow? Joey and bigK clutched hands held high in a 'stunning' bipartisan victory for the citizenry.
Whoa!
?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 29, 2023 03:49 PM (eOEVl)
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I have strong libertarian leanings, but I'm ready and willing to join a mighty coalition to do something about the permanent bureaucracy. I just don't want this to be a repeat of the 2000s where that power coalesces in the hands of "the right" which immediately reveals itself as a pack of statist meddlers.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 03:49 PM (PZvjL)
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I can't possibly be corrupt. Nobody fights government corruption more than I do. I even founded the Joe Biden anti corruption league!
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 03:50 PM (slgIg)
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I don't care if tens of millions of people suffer and die under my lifeless controlling authoritarian regime. I feel fulfilled when I control people. This is my happy place.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 03:46 PM (slgIg)
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LOL. It's why leftists absolutely LOVE to ban this, and mandate that. Forcing people to do things they don't want to do, or conversely forbidding them from doing things that they do want to do, gives leftists a major chubby. See, e.g., the state government of California.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 03:46 PM (slgIg)
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LOL. It's why leftists absolutely LOVE to ban this, and mandate that. Forcing people to do things they don't want to do, or conversely forbidding them from doing things that they do want to do, gives leftists a major chubby. See, e.g., the state government of California.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 03:51 PM (YqDXo)
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The question for 2024 is: To fix and manage the federal government or to destroy it?
If you think the answer is, "better governing," then we lose. A temporary finger wedged under the garrote.
What law can we pass that they will follow? What rule will they obey? What norm will they respect? Why will they comply with anything that reduces the size, scope or reach of the federal government? Of any government?
Recall Bill Krystol, saying, obviously I prefer democracy, but if it's Trump, I prefer the deep state. He's not saying Trump is the problem, he is saying the policy preferences he disagrees with are illegitimate. You, what you want, freedom, liberty, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution--illegitimate if his policy choices are not absolute.
If you think the answer is, "better governing," then we lose. A temporary finger wedged under the garrote.
What law can we pass that they will follow? What rule will they obey? What norm will they respect? Why will they comply with anything that reduces the size, scope or reach of the federal government? Of any government?
Recall Bill Krystol, saying, obviously I prefer democracy, but if it's Trump, I prefer the deep state. He's not saying Trump is the problem, he is saying the policy preferences he disagrees with are illegitimate. You, what you want, freedom, liberty, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution--illegitimate if his policy choices are not absolute.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 03:52 PM (5EnGD)
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It's why I characterize libertarianism as a puerile political philosophy that exerts a siren call to adolescents of all ages. Leave it in the dorm room, guys, and grow up.
I found this definition interesting:
Are libertarians anarcho capitalists?
While both anarchists and anarcho-capitalists have used it, libertarian was synonymous with anarchist until the mid-20th century, when anarcho-capitalist theory developed. Anarcho-capitalists are distinguished from the dominant anarchist tradition by their relation to property and capital.
I found this definition interesting:
Are libertarians anarcho capitalists?
While both anarchists and anarcho-capitalists have used it, libertarian was synonymous with anarchist until the mid-20th century, when anarcho-capitalist theory developed. Anarcho-capitalists are distinguished from the dominant anarchist tradition by their relation to property and capital.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 29, 2023 03:52 PM (eOEVl)
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Libertarians want open borders
The left wants open borders
Libertarians hate the police
The left hates police
Libertarians want legalized drugs
The left wants legalized drugs
A pattern is emerging....
The left wants open borders
Libertarians hate the police
The left hates police
Libertarians want legalized drugs
The left wants legalized drugs
A pattern is emerging....
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 03:52 PM (slgIg)
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Libertarians are in the pupal stage of becoming adults.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 03:53 PM (YqDXo)
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Posted by: Archimedes
You know, a budget that has something for everyone. Kev and Joey celebrating it. One small step, one big slide into oblivion. For the people!
Posted by: Archimedes
You know, a budget that has something for everyone. Kev and Joey celebrating it. One small step, one big slide into oblivion. For the people!
Posted by: micky at May 29, 2023 03:53 PM (3byMq)
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Anarcho-capitalists are distinguished from the dominant anarchist tradition by their relation to property and capital.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 29, 2023 03:52 PM (eOEVl)
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Effectively a distinction without a difference.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 29, 2023 03:52 PM (eOEVl)
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Effectively a distinction without a difference.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 03:54 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: Archimedes at May 29, 2023 03:55 PM (eOEVl)
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"A republic, if you can keep it".
The 'if you can keep it' part requires a strong will and (at times) a heavy hand.
The 'if you can keep it' part requires a strong will and (at times) a heavy hand.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 29, 2023 03:56 PM (Cus5s)
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These sure are interesting times you deplorable fooking conservatives are living in. Too bad no one understands what to do about that kinda shite.
Posted by: Sun Tzu at May 29, 2023 03:56 PM (3CCua)
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I toyed with Libertarianism in my youth, as well as Socialism.. decided it was all pretty ridiculous. Ism’s are ridiculous.
Posted by: tubal at May 29, 2023 03:56 PM (PCK5/)
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There's nothing wrong with wanting to be left the hell alone.
Jane Fonda is calling for the arrest of white males, just for being white males. And she's not alone.
Jane Fonda is calling for the arrest of white males, just for being white males. And she's not alone.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 29, 2023 03:56 PM (MeG8a)
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Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 03:59 PM (aD39U)
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I just want my country back.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 29, 2023 04:00 PM (Xrfse)
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Look at the respect the left gives to our wins when we play by the rules.
We fought for 40 years to end the abomination of Roe. Did everything right: Won at the Supreme Court, sent it to the states.
Is it the "law of the land" like their wins?
Or is every law passed by any red state instantly attacked in the nearest federal court?
Is the Court stepping in or standing down?
Look at that same Court, letting the election laws we passed be ignored.
Letting their own ruling on the Second be ignored.
This is about power. Power belongs to those willing to use it.
We fought for 40 years to end the abomination of Roe. Did everything right: Won at the Supreme Court, sent it to the states.
Is it the "law of the land" like their wins?
Or is every law passed by any red state instantly attacked in the nearest federal court?
Is the Court stepping in or standing down?
Look at that same Court, letting the election laws we passed be ignored.
Letting their own ruling on the Second be ignored.
This is about power. Power belongs to those willing to use it.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 04:01 PM (5EnGD)
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Nothing about controlling Trump's breath in the budget deal is a MAJOR LOSS FOR THE COUNTRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Dorcus Blimeline at May 29, 2023 04:02 PM (LrYuZ)
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Hanoi Jane always would have tossed you in a Gulag if she could
Posted by: Skip at May 29, 2023 04:02 PM (xhxe8)
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There's nothing wrong with wanting to be left the hell alone.
Jane Fonda is calling for the arrest of white males, just for being white males. And she's not alone.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 29, 2023 03:56 PM
Absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be left alone. The problem I have with libertarians (and anarchists) is they don't want any form of government, nothing. If you don't have some basic form of government like police, fire and infrastructure stuff everyone will be dead.
Jane Fonda is calling for the arrest of white males, just for being white males. And she's not alone.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 29, 2023 03:56 PM
Absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be left alone. The problem I have with libertarians (and anarchists) is they don't want any form of government, nothing. If you don't have some basic form of government like police, fire and infrastructure stuff everyone will be dead.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 04:03 PM (ncXxy)
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OK, so Monty Python and the Firesign Theatre backed you into history and philosophy, Boomers. Now we get to clean up our acts all the way and enjoy the show.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at May 29, 2023 04:04 PM (glGDV)
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Absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be left alone. The problem I have with libertarians (and anarchists) is they don't want any form of government, nothing.
I don't know if the average libertarian accepts the need for a military, but if not, then they're just ignoring human nature in their little theoretical construct. If you are weak, someone will take advantage.
I don't know if the average libertarian accepts the need for a military, but if not, then they're just ignoring human nature in their little theoretical construct. If you are weak, someone will take advantage.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 29, 2023 04:05 PM (eOEVl)
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gourmand du jour
Normal law-abiding citizens of all races in America are the control rods in a hot-running nuclear reactor. Remove them, and watch the resulting catastrophe.
Normal law-abiding citizens of all races in America are the control rods in a hot-running nuclear reactor. Remove them, and watch the resulting catastrophe.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:05 PM (u82oZ)
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Everyday is a fight to save the America I knew and Freedom
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2023 04:05 PM (pmmLi)
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If you don't have some basic form of government like police, fire and infrastructure stuff everyone will be dead.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 04:03 PM (ncXxy)
Of the gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature they rule wherever they can.
The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 04:03 PM (ncXxy)
Of the gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature they rule wherever they can.
The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 04:05 PM (aD39U)
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There's nothing wrong with wanting to be left the hell alone. Jane Fonda is calling for the arrest of white males, just for being white males.
So when do they arrest Biden ?????????
So when do they arrest Biden ?????????
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at May 29, 2023 04:06 PM (/Qz4j)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:06 PM (u82oZ)
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Re: anarcho-syndicalism, I think it'd be really interesting and genuinely fresh if the John Wick producers extended their world-building such that most of the people who aren't assassins are also members of an esoteric guild with rules and enforcement. And the police are just another one of the guilds who have ancient agreements with the rest of the guilds that specify what they can do and who authorizes it.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 04:07 PM (PZvjL)
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The only way to not have a heavy hand of government rule is for society to do it so no state coercion is needed.
That inevitably requires a stable homogeneous population, little disparity in wealth, and an absence of significant enemy states in the border.
US had all of that until it didn't.
That inevitably requires a stable homogeneous population, little disparity in wealth, and an absence of significant enemy states in the border.
US had all of that until it didn't.
Posted by: whig at May 29, 2023 04:07 PM (wUSgb)
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And then the murders began...
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 29, 2023 04:07 PM (RIvkX)
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G'rump928(c)
The Athenians have spoken to the normal American, on an island. But are we really the weak ones?
The Athenians have spoken to the normal American, on an island. But are we really the weak ones?
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:08 PM (u82oZ)
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"Projection isn't just something that happens in a little room at the back of the Cineplex!"
BTW there are two interpretations I have seen of "projection", but I think one may be an invalid interpretation of the word.
The first, and the one I always thought was the only, is unconsciously assuming your opponent would behave as you would, or think as you would, in response to a situation. The key idea here is that in this version of "projection", you are not even aware that you are projecting - you are completely unaware that any other response is even possible! It is a result of a complete lack of ability to internalize the opponent's mindset!
The version more commonly found recently, and the one which I am unsure is really "projection" at all, is actively accusing your opponent of a behavior that you have engaged in, or plan to engage in, so that his accusations against your behavior will be dismissible as a simple revenge or copycat response. This can be an effective strategy, but I am not sure it is "projection" as much as proactively deceptive imitation!
BTW there are two interpretations I have seen of "projection", but I think one may be an invalid interpretation of the word.
The first, and the one I always thought was the only, is unconsciously assuming your opponent would behave as you would, or think as you would, in response to a situation. The key idea here is that in this version of "projection", you are not even aware that you are projecting - you are completely unaware that any other response is even possible! It is a result of a complete lack of ability to internalize the opponent's mindset!
The version more commonly found recently, and the one which I am unsure is really "projection" at all, is actively accusing your opponent of a behavior that you have engaged in, or plan to engage in, so that his accusations against your behavior will be dismissible as a simple revenge or copycat response. This can be an effective strategy, but I am not sure it is "projection" as much as proactively deceptive imitation!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 29, 2023 04:08 PM (OqSlY)
Posted by: J. Random Libertarian at May 29, 2023 04:08 PM (a3Q+t)
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The Fallen Soldier-a Memorial Day Prager U video narrated by a former Navy Seal:
https://tinyurl.com/ytzhb6r3
https://tinyurl.com/ytzhb6r3
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 29, 2023 04:08 PM (Keyt1)
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Libertarians think that an unelected community group will voluntarily gather, pool their money, and contract for a private police force who will only respond to people who pay into the system. They will do the same for road repairs, sewage, trash collection, fire protection....
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 04:09 PM (slgIg)
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Unfortunately, Ace is 100% correct here. Totalitarians will never stop, and libertarian/small gov't conservatives are always on the back foot, because "leave me alone" is a tough sell to people, and not conducive to organized effort.
Plus, individuals risk a lot when protesting and rebelling outside of a collective. Antifa, eco-terrorists, BLM, etc don't need to be directly controlled by Left-wing leadership and organizations...they can go out of control in general support of Leftist goals, and know that various levels of Lefty government will cover for them.
If the NRA held a rally in a large metro Red area (if such a place existed), injured cops and burned businesses down, people would be arrested and crushed (rightfully).
Plus, individuals risk a lot when protesting and rebelling outside of a collective. Antifa, eco-terrorists, BLM, etc don't need to be directly controlled by Left-wing leadership and organizations...they can go out of control in general support of Leftist goals, and know that various levels of Lefty government will cover for them.
If the NRA held a rally in a large metro Red area (if such a place existed), injured cops and burned businesses down, people would be arrested and crushed (rightfully).
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 29, 2023 04:09 PM (NCgXW)
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"Libertarians" do not want anything they believe implemented. They just want pot legalized. Nothing more.
Nothing will ever convince me otherwise, until they vote for someone who gets them part of the way there, rather than someone who takes them in the opposite direction.
Re: 2008 "Libertarian" Endorsements of Obama, because they didn't like Palin (for some reason)
Nothing will ever convince me otherwise, until they vote for someone who gets them part of the way there, rather than someone who takes them in the opposite direction.
Re: 2008 "Libertarian" Endorsements of Obama, because they didn't like Palin (for some reason)
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:09 PM (Lavx8)
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Clarifying: things they PRETEND to believe.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:09 PM (Lavx8)
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Absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be left alone. The problem I have with libertarians (and anarchists) is they don't want any form of government, nothing.
I don't know if the average libertarian accepts the need for a military, but if not, then they're just ignoring human nature in their little theoretical construct. If you are weak, someone will take advantage.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 29, 2023 04:05 PM
Yep, if somehow they got their wish to dissolve every level of government in the US we would be invaded in a week. biden's open southern border alone is nearly destroying the country as it is. Take the border patrol out of the picture and 20-30 million illegals would be crossing within 6 months.
I don't know if the average libertarian accepts the need for a military, but if not, then they're just ignoring human nature in their little theoretical construct. If you are weak, someone will take advantage.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 29, 2023 04:05 PM
Yep, if somehow they got their wish to dissolve every level of government in the US we would be invaded in a week. biden's open southern border alone is nearly destroying the country as it is. Take the border patrol out of the picture and 20-30 million illegals would be crossing within 6 months.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 04:09 PM (ncXxy)
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Well there is a little bit of good news.
Remember that Wyoming land owner who sued four hunters from Missouri for over $7 million because they stepped over his property to get to another section of public land?
The judge in the case just tossed it out. The only thing left of the lawsuit is the charge that one hunter had a way-point in his GPS device that was on private property.
Remember that Wyoming land owner who sued four hunters from Missouri for over $7 million because they stepped over his property to get to another section of public land?
The judge in the case just tossed it out. The only thing left of the lawsuit is the charge that one hunter had a way-point in his GPS device that was on private property.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2023 04:10 PM (hk4qW)
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Rewatch: Demolition man.
Edgar Friendly IS libertarianism - and listen to what he's selling. That's palatable? Of course not - he was mocking libertarians.
Edgar Friendly IS libertarianism - and listen to what he's selling. That's palatable? Of course not - he was mocking libertarians.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:10 PM (Lavx8)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:11 PM (u82oZ)
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Normal law-abiding middle-class, property-owning citizens of all races in America are the control rods in a hot-running nuclear reactor. Remove them, and watch the resulting catastrophe.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:05 PM
Suggested edit.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:05 PM
Suggested edit.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2023 04:11 PM (a3Q+t)
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>>> You Can't Libertarian Your Way Out of Tyranny
Fortunately we are a democracy which chooses its leadership through free, fair, and transparent elections and if question that you'll be put into prison for seditous conspiracy and consider yourself lucky if you ever get a trial.
Be sure to vote.
Fortunately we are a democracy which chooses its leadership through free, fair, and transparent elections and if question that you'll be put into prison for seditous conspiracy and consider yourself lucky if you ever get a trial.
Be sure to vote.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 29, 2023 04:12 PM (ga8qR)
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32 Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 03:59 PM (aD39U)
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But can just anyone pull a sword from a freakin stone? Come on man!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 03:59 PM (aD39U)
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But can just anyone pull a sword from a freakin stone? Come on man!
Posted by: Sundowner Joe at May 29, 2023 04:13 PM (ssESX)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:13 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Sharkman at May 29, 2023 04:13 PM (glv2F)
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At this point, a watery tart is better than Joey Bidet.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2023 04:13 PM (hk4qW)
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One of libertarianism's biggest weakness is that its just not proactive or energetic. Its full of ideas and bong-night circle inspirations, but not action. Libertarians also aren't big on grouping up or protesting. They're too individualistic and let's say, lacking motivation to do anything that gets something done,
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
It's worse than that. It's a contrarian affectation with no moral core. It's hollow theater that relies on the Left to sweep away the minor things that they find icky and stoopid while studiously ignoring the fact that if the Left completes their project, libertarians will be used as dick puppets or target practice. And at some point, they really do like the taste of wind-driven piss.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor
It's worse than that. It's a contrarian affectation with no moral core. It's hollow theater that relies on the Left to sweep away the minor things that they find icky and stoopid while studiously ignoring the fact that if the Left completes their project, libertarians will be used as dick puppets or target practice. And at some point, they really do like the taste of wind-driven piss.
Posted by: weft cut loop at May 29, 2023 04:14 PM (jzzG8)
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54 "Libertarians" do not want anything they believe implemented. They just want pot legalized. Nothing more.
Nothing will ever convince me otherwise, until they vote for someone who gets them part of the way there, rather than someone who takes them in the opposite direction.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:09 PM (Lavx
Gary Johnson was such a person, and I voted for him in 2012 because he would take us part of the way there whereas Obama's cultural Marxism and Romney's stonks-and-wars platform were both regressions.
Nothing will ever convince me otherwise, until they vote for someone who gets them part of the way there, rather than someone who takes them in the opposite direction.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:09 PM (Lavx
Gary Johnson was such a person, and I voted for him in 2012 because he would take us part of the way there whereas Obama's cultural Marxism and Romney's stonks-and-wars platform were both regressions.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 04:14 PM (PZvjL)
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but if you win elections without a deep bench of dedicated, energetic, skilled professionals ready to sweep into the bureaucracy and implement your programs, you'll be easily thwarted by the permanent State.
Compared to Trump this is an area where DeSantis should be far more effective.
Compared to Trump this is an area where DeSantis should be far more effective.
Posted by: Lost In Space at May 29, 2023 04:14 PM (2eroL)
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Unfortunately totalitarians are not willing to leave alone people who just want to be left alone. No they can't be reasoned with, they have to be neutralized as quickly and humanely as possible.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 29, 2023 04:15 PM (RIvkX)
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DU posted the cartoon for commentary, which shows how relentless they are in portraying Republicans as backwards outsiders: https://___ur.io/ddJtthI?r
here in Illinois we are going in the opposite direction! Our governor was one of the founders of the Illinois Holocaust Museum and our state government is protecting Trans rights. Libraries that choose to ban books won't get state funding. Abortion rights have been expanded. Actual American History is taught in schools. Chicago public schools are mandated to teach about our city's history of police torture. There is a state assault rifle ban.My fear is the "supreme court" will turn all the states into Florida.
A rapidly changing culture is freaking out old white people in FL. And they've gone full on fascist in response.
Some people only care about paying lower taxes. Yes we pay more taxes in Illinois. But we have more human rights. I know people who leave Illinois because of the taxes. It makes me sick.
here in Illinois we are going in the opposite direction! Our governor was one of the founders of the Illinois Holocaust Museum and our state government is protecting Trans rights. Libraries that choose to ban books won't get state funding. Abortion rights have been expanded. Actual American History is taught in schools. Chicago public schools are mandated to teach about our city's history of police torture. There is a state assault rifle ban.My fear is the "supreme court" will turn all the states into Florida.
A rapidly changing culture is freaking out old white people in FL. And they've gone full on fascist in response.
Some people only care about paying lower taxes. Yes we pay more taxes in Illinois. But we have more human rights. I know people who leave Illinois because of the taxes. It makes me sick.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 29, 2023 04:15 PM (NCgXW)
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Itinerant Alley Butcher
Voting is a very valuable feedback mechanism to move the rudder of the ship of state when it is off course. Remove that feedback, and bad stuff happens.
Voting is a very valuable feedback mechanism to move the rudder of the ship of state when it is off course. Remove that feedback, and bad stuff happens.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:15 PM (u82oZ)
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Also worth noting that Johnson tried to make it as a Republican but got thrown out by the Proud True Conservatives for getting in the way of their state worship.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 04:15 PM (PZvjL)
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Anyway, I need to get more writing done. And work on models. Plus bestir myself to snag a lottery ticket or two.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 29, 2023 04:15 PM (hk4qW)
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Illinois.
Posted by: tubal at May 29, 2023 04:16 PM (PCK5/)
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Intrepid AoS Liaison
People voting with their feet is a critical signal. The Left ignores it, but they are detached from reality.
People voting with their feet is a critical signal. The Left ignores it, but they are detached from reality.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:16 PM (u82oZ)
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I went to my local Walmart this morning. They have been rearranging the entire store and virtually eliminating manned checkouts in favor of selfchecks.
Today I observed that they have converted the end of the store to support online ordering, that is, they have what appears to be a shipping section where the item pickers that have taken over the store organize their pickings.
It's odd and disquieting.
Today I observed that they have converted the end of the store to support online ordering, that is, they have what appears to be a shipping section where the item pickers that have taken over the store organize their pickings.
It's odd and disquieting.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 04:17 PM (aD39U)
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Libertarians and small government conservatives does not describe George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, John McCain or all of the other so-called conservative Republicans who, for years, told all of us to "shut-up" about social/cultural issues and focus only on the economy. None of our pre-Trump leaders would ever be mistaken for a small government man but somehow they still preached the gospel of "don't talk about abortion" or "don't defy gay marriage" or "don't defund PBS" etc. Can we all agree that none of the c.2000 Republicans were actually Republicans at all and must admit that they were, in fact, Democrats posing as Republicans?
Posted by: JT Smith at May 29, 2023 04:17 PM (FxdZx)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:17 PM (u82oZ)
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Eh. Better than terminal ennui. We are living on the edge.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:06 PM (u82oZ)
Amen to that
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:06 PM (u82oZ)
Amen to that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2023 04:18 PM (pmmLi)
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Libertarian Party had a huge opening in 2016. People hated hillary and were wary of Trump.
Instead their chairman gave a keynote in his underpants.
Instead their chairman gave a keynote in his underpants.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 04:18 PM (slgIg)
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Thanks Fen, never saw that one
Posted by: Skip at May 29, 2023 04:18 PM (xhxe8)
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We haven't had a conservative small government since Coolidge.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 29, 2023 04:19 PM (MeG8a)
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Goth Fonzie at "Reason" came out recently and said pretty much that libertarianism is just about expanding the room for 'alternate life styles.' I'm not going to look it up 'cause fuck that guy.
Posted by: weft cut loop at May 29, 2023 04:19 PM (jzzG8)
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Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 03:59 PM
To be fair, sometimes it takes a farcical aquatic ceremony to manufacture the mandate from the masses.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 03:59 PM
To be fair, sometimes it takes a farcical aquatic ceremony to manufacture the mandate from the masses.
Posted by: Fulton County broken water line at May 29, 2023 04:19 PM (a3Q+t)
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Those horses all left the barn a long time ago Doc_O and then the barn burned down. This is just pissing in the wind if you think anyone will act on any of this now when they wouldn't in the past. I'm done with futile manifestos like this.
Posted by: JP at May 29, 2023 04:19 PM (tF/Gf)
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Posted by: Hokey Pokey at May 29, 2023 04:04 PM (glGDV)
If you're going to put down the Boomers please get your terms correct. Firesign theatre was a surreal comedy group which started in 1966, Fireside Theatre was an anthology series from 1949-55. A number of the people who post here were probably babies or not born yet in 1955 and so wern't "backed into history" by either, unless you were talking about Fireside Chats under Roosevelt. Nobody posting here was listening to Roosevelt's "Fireside Chats" when he was President.
If you're going to put down the Boomers please get your terms correct. Firesign theatre was a surreal comedy group which started in 1966, Fireside Theatre was an anthology series from 1949-55. A number of the people who post here were probably babies or not born yet in 1955 and so wern't "backed into history" by either, unless you were talking about Fireside Chats under Roosevelt. Nobody posting here was listening to Roosevelt's "Fireside Chats" when he was President.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 29, 2023 04:20 PM (Keyt1)
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What is that saying? Tyranny/totalitarianism is always invited in by cheers and applause and only gotten rid by the point of a gun.
I do think that's what actually has to happen.
I do think that's what actually has to happen.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 29, 2023 04:20 PM (BdMk6)
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"The first ... is unconsciously assuming your opponent would behave as you would, or think as you would, in response to a situation. The key idea here is that in this version of "projection", you are not even aware that you are projecting - you are completely unaware that any other response is even possible! It is a result of a complete lack of ability to internalize the opponent's mindset!"
As I see it, there is usually a negative aspect to the projection. As in, if I do something wrong, I see that in someone else, in place of admitting my own failure of character.
As I see it, there is usually a negative aspect to the projection. As in, if I do something wrong, I see that in someone else, in place of admitting my own failure of character.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 29, 2023 04:21 PM (Cus5s)
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There's nothing wrong with wanting to be left the hell alone.
Jane Fonda is calling for the arrest of white males, just for being white males. And she's not alone.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 29, 2023 03:56 PM (MeG8a)
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Remind me again why she wasn't hanged for treason?
Jane Fonda is calling for the arrest of white males, just for being white males. And she's not alone.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 29, 2023 03:56 PM (MeG8a)
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Remind me again why she wasn't hanged for treason?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 04:21 PM (YqDXo)
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I just want my country back.
I'm coming around to the idea it was all just illusion. Trump was the red pill.
I'm coming around to the idea it was all just illusion. Trump was the red pill.
Posted by: Halfhand at May 29, 2023 04:21 PM (y8M9V)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:21 PM (u82oZ)
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80 Libertarian Party had a huge opening in 2016. People hated hillary and were wary of Trump.
Instead their chairman gave a keynote in his underpants.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 04:18 PM (slgIg)
Heheh...yeah, I remember that. This sort of crap is why I say I'm lowercase libertarian-leaning but not uppercase Libertarian Party. And no, I didn't vote for Johnson in 2016 because there was a glorious protest candidate on the GOP ticket who seemed to have my interests in mind.
Instead their chairman gave a keynote in his underpants.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 04:18 PM (slgIg)
Heheh...yeah, I remember that. This sort of crap is why I say I'm lowercase libertarian-leaning but not uppercase Libertarian Party. And no, I didn't vote for Johnson in 2016 because there was a glorious protest candidate on the GOP ticket who seemed to have my interests in mind.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 04:22 PM (PZvjL)
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Make Moistened Bints Great Again!
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 29, 2023 04:22 PM (4I/2K)
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Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:17 PM (u82oZ)
Hi, Salty. I sent you two texts messages regarding what you sent us, but maybe they went astray from here to your phone?. If you send me your e-mail to FenelonDirection18 at sign gmail.com I will send them out again. And thanks!
Hi, Salty. I sent you two texts messages regarding what you sent us, but maybe they went astray from here to your phone?. If you send me your e-mail to FenelonDirection18 at sign gmail.com I will send them out again. And thanks!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 29, 2023 04:22 PM (Keyt1)
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I wonder if vic was an Optimate or a Populare back in the day.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 04:23 PM (aD39U)
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"Senator Ted Cruz and Representative Chip Roy are holding the Feds accountable..." Isn't that so CUTE?!
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 29, 2023 04:23 PM (8fxF+)
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"Senator Ted Cruz and Representative Chip Roy are holding the Feds accountable..." Isn't that so CUTE?!
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 29, 2023 04:23 PM (8fxF+)
They strenuously object.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 29, 2023 04:23 PM (8fxF+)
They strenuously object.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 04:24 PM (aD39U)
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But what you should come to see is the elaborate prison they have already built for us.
Do you think you will find allies in the "conservative" states when they are shutting off the banks?
How many will vote for the man they frame for stopping the free bread, causing the inner city riots?
Who exactly is going to stop going to work tomorrow in the face of the mountain of debts they have piled on every mind as "normal," the mortgage, the car, the college, the credi cards, etc.?
Which elected Republican, of the baby-soft hands, of the steady paychecks and full bellies, of the rule-followers and polite speech, of their colleges and then paychecks from their government jobs, the wordmen, the talkers and thinkers, the insiders-- why will they suddenly find the fire to rage against America in chains to this totalitarian regime? When at every step of their princeling lives they've been in the system, benefited from it, even now as they run for election as "conservative?"
No. They will give us no more than what they already have: Let you let of a little steam, a few small wins, some rousing speeches. And then back to letting the machine run.
Do you think you will find allies in the "conservative" states when they are shutting off the banks?
How many will vote for the man they frame for stopping the free bread, causing the inner city riots?
Who exactly is going to stop going to work tomorrow in the face of the mountain of debts they have piled on every mind as "normal," the mortgage, the car, the college, the credi cards, etc.?
Which elected Republican, of the baby-soft hands, of the steady paychecks and full bellies, of the rule-followers and polite speech, of their colleges and then paychecks from their government jobs, the wordmen, the talkers and thinkers, the insiders-- why will they suddenly find the fire to rage against America in chains to this totalitarian regime? When at every step of their princeling lives they've been in the system, benefited from it, even now as they run for election as "conservative?"
No. They will give us no more than what they already have: Let you let of a little steam, a few small wins, some rousing speeches. And then back to letting the machine run.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 04:24 PM (5EnGD)
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We've spent 30 years with the right basically going full libertarian while the left goes full authoritarian.
And...we have an authoritarian government.
Now the most obvious solution is to get the left to step away from the authoritarism...but that doesn't appear to be likely.
So the option is to have the right not just fight haplessly against leftwing authoritariansm...but to full on reverse it. Throw trannies in jail, through people in jail for "hate crimes" against Christians, ban EVs, so on.
And frankly if you are a libertarian, an actual one, you should already have been calling for this a decade ago.
And...we have an authoritarian government.
Now the most obvious solution is to get the left to step away from the authoritarism...but that doesn't appear to be likely.
So the option is to have the right not just fight haplessly against leftwing authoritariansm...but to full on reverse it. Throw trannies in jail, through people in jail for "hate crimes" against Christians, ban EVs, so on.
And frankly if you are a libertarian, an actual one, you should already have been calling for this a decade ago.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:25 PM (lc5cP)
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I went to my local Walmart this morning. They have been rearranging the entire store and virtually eliminating manned checkouts in favor of selfchecks.
Today I observed that they have converted the end of the store to support online ordering, that is, they have what appears to be a shipping section where the item pickers that have taken over the store organize their pickings.
It's odd and disquieting.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 04:17 PM (aD39U)
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My Walmart went through that process some time ago. It takes a bit of getting used to. There are still a couple of lanes with a checkout clerk, but the majority of lanes are self checkout. I'm just annoyed that they rearranged the merchandise for no apparent reason, so now I have to relearn where everything is located.
Today I observed that they have converted the end of the store to support online ordering, that is, they have what appears to be a shipping section where the item pickers that have taken over the store organize their pickings.
It's odd and disquieting.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 04:17 PM (aD39U)
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My Walmart went through that process some time ago. It takes a bit of getting used to. There are still a couple of lanes with a checkout clerk, but the majority of lanes are self checkout. I'm just annoyed that they rearranged the merchandise for no apparent reason, so now I have to relearn where everything is located.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 29, 2023 04:26 PM (BpYfr)
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if you win elections without a deep bench of dedicated, energetic, skilled professionals ready to sweep into the bureaucracy and implement your programs, you'll be easily thwarted by the permanent State.
I like Ron and would certainly be okay with him in the White House, but there's a world of difference between the friendly Florida legislature presenting him with a bill to sign of obvious necessity and the shit-show which goes on in Washington, DC.
Yeah, Trump has the exact same problem. Until Kim Jung Un gets the telemetry correct there's no answer to the problem.
if you win elections without a deep bench of dedicated, energetic, skilled professionals ready to sweep into the bureaucracy and implement your programs, you'll be easily thwarted by the permanent State.
I like Ron and would certainly be okay with him in the White House, but there's a world of difference between the friendly Florida legislature presenting him with a bill to sign of obvious necessity and the shit-show which goes on in Washington, DC.
Yeah, Trump has the exact same problem. Until Kim Jung Un gets the telemetry correct there's no answer to the problem.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:26 PM (enJYY)
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Libertarian Party had a huge opening in 2016. People hated hillary and were wary of Trump.
Instead their chairman gave a keynote in his underpants.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 04:18 PM (slgIg)
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I rest my case.
Instead their chairman gave a keynote in his underpants.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at May 29, 2023 04:18 PM (slgIg)
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I rest my case.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 04:26 PM (YqDXo)
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Tyranny is the natural condition of humankind for thousands of years. Our little experiment in self governance is a distinct outlier.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 29, 2023 04:26 PM (MeG8a)
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More than half a century ago, they knew what they wanted the USA to be & kept to, "If at first you don't succeed, Try, try again." i.e.,
>Congressional Study Group, Lesson 5, The Insurrection Act and Putting Troops on American Streets. "On July 31, 2020, the study group convened online to discuss the president’s authority to deploy the military domestically, including through the Insurrection Act. In the weeks prior to the session, President Donald Trump had deployed both the military, National Guard units, and federal law enforcement personnel in response to popular protest around the country, often over objections by state and local officials. But what was the legal basis for the president’s actions? And what might Congress be able to do if it believes that the president’s actions are inappropriate?"
That's not preparing for 'Presidential Transition?'
The Roy/Cruz pro-life letter cited above; Garland has purpose. A daughter has been chosen to clerk for the Supreme Court, but she can't, yet, because of his appointed position.
And, Podesta, back again, as senior advisor for Clean Energy Innovation & Implementation.
>Congressional Study Group, Lesson 5, The Insurrection Act and Putting Troops on American Streets. "On July 31, 2020, the study group convened online to discuss the president’s authority to deploy the military domestically, including through the Insurrection Act. In the weeks prior to the session, President Donald Trump had deployed both the military, National Guard units, and federal law enforcement personnel in response to popular protest around the country, often over objections by state and local officials. But what was the legal basis for the president’s actions? And what might Congress be able to do if it believes that the president’s actions are inappropriate?"
That's not preparing for 'Presidential Transition?'
The Roy/Cruz pro-life letter cited above; Garland has purpose. A daughter has been chosen to clerk for the Supreme Court, but she can't, yet, because of his appointed position.
And, Podesta, back again, as senior advisor for Clean Energy Innovation & Implementation.
Posted by: Lola - ALL the 1/6 videotapes from Alexandra & Jades, too. at May 29, 2023 04:27 PM (GshMh)
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68 Compared to Trump this is an area where DeSantis should be far more effective.
Posted by: Lost In Space at May 29, 2023 04:14 PM (2eroL)
I'm willing to cut the guy some slack for his first term inasmuch as he probably didn't expect to actually win until near the end of the campaign, and then had to scramble to build up a semi-functional team. But with four years out of office and all the time in the world to build up that deck of front-line managers, he's gonna have to convince me that I'm voting for an effective team and not just some guy who mouths off on the internet and a bunch of random walk-ons who constantly shank him for fun and profit.
Posted by: Lost In Space at May 29, 2023 04:14 PM (2eroL)
I'm willing to cut the guy some slack for his first term inasmuch as he probably didn't expect to actually win until near the end of the campaign, and then had to scramble to build up a semi-functional team. But with four years out of office and all the time in the world to build up that deck of front-line managers, he's gonna have to convince me that I'm voting for an effective team and not just some guy who mouths off on the internet and a bunch of random walk-ons who constantly shank him for fun and profit.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 04:28 PM (PZvjL)
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Libertarian Party had a huge opening in 2016. People hated hillary and were wary of Trump.
Running clowns that on a good day will get 1% isn't a solution.
Now...if the LP invited the D and R candidates and then endorsed one of them based on what they promised AND what their party has delivered in the last few years? That might work.
Running clowns that on a good day will get 1% isn't a solution.
Now...if the LP invited the D and R candidates and then endorsed one of them based on what they promised AND what their party has delivered in the last few years? That might work.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:28 PM (lc5cP)
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This is why a Pinochet, a Franco. Or a Cromwell is the only way any nation has ever been able break out of this trap.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 29, 2023 04:28 PM (i9ffA)
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The only way to not have a heavy hand of government rule is for society to do it so no state coercion is needed.
That inevitably requires a stable homogeneous population, little disparity in wealth, and an absence of significant enemy states in the border.
US had all of that until it didn't.
Posted by: whig at May 29, 2023 04:07 PM (wUSgb)
I think an additional - actually indispensable - element is a virtuous, religious citizenry. A citizenry that possesses self-imposed guardrails against aberrant behaviors. One of the Founders said as much.
That inevitably requires a stable homogeneous population, little disparity in wealth, and an absence of significant enemy states in the border.
US had all of that until it didn't.
Posted by: whig at May 29, 2023 04:07 PM (wUSgb)
I think an additional - actually indispensable - element is a virtuous, religious citizenry. A citizenry that possesses self-imposed guardrails against aberrant behaviors. One of the Founders said as much.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at May 29, 2023 04:28 PM (O2Rtm)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 29, 2023 04:29 PM (Keyt1)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:30 PM (u82oZ)
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TLDR, throwing commies out of helicopters ain't beanbag
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at May 29, 2023 04:30 PM (WOAhn)
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I tend toward a libertarian ideology in that I believe most people left to their own devices will make a correct decision. Having said that I always shake my head at libertarian friends who vote that way because there are only one of two parties who are going to win any election, and neither is the libertarian. Unfortunately we continue to be stuck with the GOPe as the only viable party which to support.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 29, 2023 04:30 PM (AxN/S)
Posted by: The Argument Room at May 29, 2023 04:31 PM (tF/Gf)
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Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at May 29, 2023 04:30 PM (u82oZ)
Thanks; I just thought that they went into the either. My cell phone is dying.
Thanks; I just thought that they went into the either. My cell phone is dying.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 29, 2023 04:31 PM (Keyt1)
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I would argue the Marxists have taken over education since I was in HS and turned them into full time indoctrination Seminaries
Posted by: Skip at May 29, 2023 04:31 PM (xhxe8)
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Ether-not either
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 29, 2023 04:31 PM (Keyt1)
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Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:26 PM (enJYY)
Former Representative DeSantis is very familiar with how DC operates.
Former Representative DeSantis is very familiar with how DC operates.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:32 PM (MNhXM)
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Ether-not either
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 29, 2023 04:31 PM (Keyt1)
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It's either ether or either. Either one.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 29, 2023 04:31 PM (Keyt1)
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It's either ether or either. Either one.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at May 29, 2023 04:32 PM (2hlEI)
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Having said that I always shake my head at libertarian friends
As another point, libertarianism can't work when Big Daddy government will just write a check to people that make bad decisions.
For example, if the choice is "take heroin and starve" or "work" most people will do the latter. If the choices are "take heroin and get a government handout" or "work" the results aren't as good.
As another point, libertarianism can't work when Big Daddy government will just write a check to people that make bad decisions.
For example, if the choice is "take heroin and starve" or "work" most people will do the latter. If the choices are "take heroin and get a government handout" or "work" the results aren't as good.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:33 PM (lc5cP)
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I tend toward a libertarian ideology in that I believe most people left to their own devices will make a correct decision.
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The essential piece is that whether they make a "correct" decision or not, that they personally have to experience the consequences either way. None of this "compassionate" crap that privatizes good decisions but socializes bad ones.
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The essential piece is that whether they make a "correct" decision or not, that they personally have to experience the consequences either way. None of this "compassionate" crap that privatizes good decisions but socializes bad ones.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 04:34 PM (YqDXo)
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I believe that people are self centered and operate out of self interest… in other words they want what they want when they want it… and that is just for starters. This poses some intrinsic problems.
Posted by: tubal at May 29, 2023 04:34 PM (PCK5/)
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Libertarians exist to split the right-leaning vote and elect democrats. Nothing more. Don't delusion yourselves.
Same axiom as: whacko conspiracy theories (flat earth, etc) only exist so that the actual ones can be lumped in with them.
Same axiom as: whacko conspiracy theories (flat earth, etc) only exist so that the actual ones can be lumped in with them.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:34 PM (Lavx8)
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As another point, libertarianism can't work when Big Daddy government will just write a check to people that make bad decisions.
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Bull's eye.
GMTA.
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Bull's eye.
GMTA.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 04:35 PM (YqDXo)
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This is why a Pinochet, a Franco. Or a Cromwell is the only way any nation has ever been able break out of this trap.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 29, 2023 04:28 PM (i9ffA)
You are 100% correct.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 29, 2023 04:28 PM (i9ffA)
You are 100% correct.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at May 29, 2023 04:35 PM (O2Rtm)
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"Libertarians" ignore the fact that ~40% of people WANT government to take care of them, even if their resultant standard of living is lower.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:35 PM (Lavx8)
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The Libertarian Party and libertarianism more generally go nowhere and accomplish nothing because there's already a party devoted to doing drugs and pounding ass. They're called Democrats. This pretense that there's a significant number of actual libertarians, significant enough to merit discussion, is tiresome. It's almost exclusively leftists who enjoy being perceived as contrarians as a way of insisting they're smarter and more sophisticated, or cowards who can't admit that they think daycare drag shows are fabulous.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 29, 2023 04:35 PM (KFhLj)
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Same axiom as: whacko conspiracy theories (flat earth, etc) only exist so that the actual ones can be lumped in with them.
As an continuation of that point, I've never met a real flat earther. I suspect that number of adherents is maybe a handful in the whole country. But...the FNM talks about them with some regularity don't they?
Same axiom as: whacko conspiracy theories (flat earth, etc) only exist so that the actual ones can be lumped in with them.
As an continuation of that point, I've never met a real flat earther. I suspect that number of adherents is maybe a handful in the whole country. But...the FNM talks about them with some regularity don't they?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:36 PM (lc5cP)
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My Walmart went through that process some time ago. It takes a bit of getting used to.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 29, 2023 04:26 PM
I've heard that, unlike the Book Thread, pants are optional at Walmart.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at May 29, 2023 04:26 PM
I've heard that, unlike the Book Thread, pants are optional at Walmart.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 29, 2023 04:36 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 04:36 PM (YqDXo)
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This is why a Pinochet, a Franco. Or a Cromwell is the only way any nation has ever been able break out of this trap.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 29, 2023 04:28 PM (i9ffA
The pendulum has been swinging back and forth since 1787. It’s the nature of man. I’ve said before it’s my opinion that the 60’s and 70’s much worse than today. We thought we were history until Reagan showed up. He was so good that many forgot what it was like in the 60’s and 70’s.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 29, 2023 04:28 PM (i9ffA
The pendulum has been swinging back and forth since 1787. It’s the nature of man. I’ve said before it’s my opinion that the 60’s and 70’s much worse than today. We thought we were history until Reagan showed up. He was so good that many forgot what it was like in the 60’s and 70’s.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:36 PM (MNhXM)
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bigK give more soaring praise for his negotiation skills or is that for tomorrow? Joey and bigK clutched hands held high in a 'stunning' bipartisan victory for the citizenry.
Whoa!
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Posted by: Archimedes
Joint Status: Bogarted.
Whoa!
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Posted by: Archimedes
Joint Status: Bogarted.
Posted by: Sharkman at May 29, 2023 04:39 PM (glv2F)
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The pendulum has been swinging back and forth since 1787. It’s the nature of man. I’ve said before it’s my opinion that the 60’s and 70’s much worse than today. We thought we were history until Reagan showed up. He was so good that many forgot what it was like in the 60’s and 70’s.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:36 PM (MNhXM)
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The mechanism is simple: people get tired of the way things are, and hence move toward the way things aren't. It's basically the same driver for all kinds of fashions. Tattoos, man buns, etc. will all pass out of fashion, and are doing so already. A development much to be desired.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:36 PM (MNhXM)
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The mechanism is simple: people get tired of the way things are, and hence move toward the way things aren't. It's basically the same driver for all kinds of fashions. Tattoos, man buns, etc. will all pass out of fashion, and are doing so already. A development much to be desired.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 04:39 PM (YqDXo)
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"This is why a Pinochet, a Franco. Or a Cromwell is the only way any nation has ever been able break out of this trap."
We need The Borg to collapse from its own weight, and that may happen, but the people running it beleive they'll always rule.
Then a patriot emerges. Could be Trump, seriously. Why Trump >> DeSantis right now.
We need The Borg to collapse from its own weight, and that may happen, but the people running it beleive they'll always rule.
Then a patriot emerges. Could be Trump, seriously. Why Trump >> DeSantis right now.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 29, 2023 04:39 PM (RqMSv)
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For the better part of a year, anarchist and black identity extremists launched massive violent riots.
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Anyone else remember when the top folks of BLM were proudly stating that they were "trained Marxists"?
https://youtu.be/rdpIIiBe7Wc?t=192
It was all an op.
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Anyone else remember when the top folks of BLM were proudly stating that they were "trained Marxists"?
https://youtu.be/rdpIIiBe7Wc?t=192
It was all an op.
Posted by: Every child has a normal childhood, we're watching it be used as an attack at May 29, 2023 04:39 PM (5/7b/)
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Former Representative DeSantis is very familiar with how DC operates.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:32 PM
Then I will expect no 'pie in the sky' promises from him.
Former Representative DeSantis is very familiar with how DC operates.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:32 PM
Then I will expect no 'pie in the sky' promises from him.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:39 PM (enJYY)
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It's my opinion that the pendulum is stuck in the far left position. And nothing other than a cataclysmic-ally seismic event will un-stick it.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at May 29, 2023 04:39 PM (O2Rtm)
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This is why a Pinochet, a Franco. Or a Cromwell is the only way any nation has ever been able break out of this trap.
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Correct.
Which of the daily comforts will even the most conservative conservative give up if it means more freedom?
"I paid into Social Security!"
"Facebook shouldn't ban conservatives!"
"Back the blue!"
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Correct.
Which of the daily comforts will even the most conservative conservative give up if it means more freedom?
"I paid into Social Security!"
"Facebook shouldn't ban conservatives!"
"Back the blue!"
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 04:40 PM (5EnGD)
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"Libertarians" ignore the fact that ~40% of people WANT government to take care of them, even if their resultant standard of living is lower.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:35 PM
Had a career counselor in the Navy that believed in that train of thought.....reenlist and you won't have to decide what to wear to work everyday and you will be told what to do and when to do it and be taken care of. It was a simple message and it was very effective. His retention numbers were through the roof.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:35 PM
Had a career counselor in the Navy that believed in that train of thought.....reenlist and you won't have to decide what to wear to work everyday and you will be told what to do and when to do it and be taken care of. It was a simple message and it was very effective. His retention numbers were through the roof.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 04:40 PM (ncXxy)
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"the 60’s and 70’s much worse than today. "
In many ways, yes. But The Borg was in its infancy back then.
In many ways, yes. But The Borg was in its infancy back then.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 29, 2023 04:40 PM (RqMSv)
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Libertarians are basically criminals that want to do whatever the fuck they want without the government getting involved because they are criminals
See cryptocurrency scams
See also fuckhead in Arizona that ran for governor and his big platform being there should be no age of consent to boink your neighbors 12 year old daughter!
WTF
See cryptocurrency scams
See also fuckhead in Arizona that ran for governor and his big platform being there should be no age of consent to boink your neighbors 12 year old daughter!
WTF
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:41 PM (hcNad)
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You actually can't libertarian your way out of *anything*.
"Freedom" is all fine and good until someone can tell me where the line is between your freedom and my freedom.
That's where idiot government comes in, and then you're on the slippery slope to Pol Pot, because corruption is endemic to human existence.
"Freedom" is all fine and good until someone can tell me where the line is between your freedom and my freedom.
That's where idiot government comes in, and then you're on the slippery slope to Pol Pot, because corruption is endemic to human existence.
Posted by: ... at May 29, 2023 04:41 PM (lX8VI)
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Make no mistake though we have to keep fighting . I think we are on the right trajectory.
We have over turned Roe v Wade and taken the Left’s biggest communication platform from them. 2nd Amendment rights have expanded over the last three decades. They are a wounded animal so they will attack more viciously than ever. As Josie Wales said, that’s when you’re gonna have to get mean.
We have over turned Roe v Wade and taken the Left’s biggest communication platform from them. 2nd Amendment rights have expanded over the last three decades. They are a wounded animal so they will attack more viciously than ever. As Josie Wales said, that’s when you’re gonna have to get mean.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:41 PM (MNhXM)
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It's my opinion that the pendulum is stuck in the far left position. And nothing other than a cataclysmic-ally seismic event will un-stick it.
The left took control of all of hte cultural/media institutions - hell even the Churches are controlled by the left.
And they destroy anyone that tries to create new cultural/media institutions - look at what they did to the Oathkeepers guy whose only crime was saying things the government didn't like.
The left took control of all of hte cultural/media institutions - hell even the Churches are controlled by the left.
And they destroy anyone that tries to create new cultural/media institutions - look at what they did to the Oathkeepers guy whose only crime was saying things the government didn't like.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:41 PM (lc5cP)
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Former Representative DeSantis is very familiar with how DC operates.
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Which is not the selling point some think it is.
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Which is not the selling point some think it is.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 04:42 PM (5EnGD)
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"Freedom" is all fine and good until someone can tell me where the line is between your freedom and my freedom.
As an example during COVID the left argued you didn't have the "right to make them sick" which meant they could have you forcibly injected with poison against your will.
The...mental gymnastics to get to the point were astounding...they were also in the street demanding "government out of my health care decisions" at literally the same time.
"Freedom" is all fine and good until someone can tell me where the line is between your freedom and my freedom.
As an example during COVID the left argued you didn't have the "right to make them sick" which meant they could have you forcibly injected with poison against your will.
The...mental gymnastics to get to the point were astounding...they were also in the street demanding "government out of my health care decisions" at literally the same time.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:43 PM (lc5cP)
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Just went to Google and typed in, "Why is Google comprised of America-hating Communist cocksuckers?"
It said that there weren't any matches for my search.
I then tried searching another term. Suddenly, I couldn't finish typing in any entries. Google was changing every single search term as I typed it.
Interesting, in a totalitarian, Soviet-style way.
It said that there weren't any matches for my search.
I then tried searching another term. Suddenly, I couldn't finish typing in any entries. Google was changing every single search term as I typed it.
Interesting, in a totalitarian, Soviet-style way.
Posted by: Sam Adams at May 29, 2023 04:44 PM (VDbGO)
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It's my opinion that the pendulum is stuck in the far left position. And nothing other than a cataclysmic-ally seismic event will un-stick it.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at May 29, 2023 04:39 PM
Then explain how there are now 25 States that have constitutional carry of firearms at this point in time and when I was a teenager in the 70s there was only one. Back in the day you could not get a carry permit unless you were politically connected, and that was usually only good for your specific City or County.
That pendulum swings, it might not just swing as fast for some things as it does with others but it keeps swinging.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at May 29, 2023 04:39 PM
Then explain how there are now 25 States that have constitutional carry of firearms at this point in time and when I was a teenager in the 70s there was only one. Back in the day you could not get a carry permit unless you were politically connected, and that was usually only good for your specific City or County.
That pendulum swings, it might not just swing as fast for some things as it does with others but it keeps swinging.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 04:45 PM (ncXxy)
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I hereby request that everyone here go to Google and type in the words, "Why is Google comprised of America-hating Communist cocksuckers?"
Posted by: Sam Adams at May 29, 2023 04:45 PM (VDbGO)
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The ONLY time I've seen the idea of a 3rd party working, was when Nader sucked off a few votes from Gore. Other than that, it's a suicidal vote from quitters. Yeah, yeah, get in my grill about Founders and 2 party system. We're HERE Jack, face it.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 29, 2023 04:45 PM (7Fj9P)
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The...mental gymnastics to get to the point were astounding...they were also in the street demanding "government out of my health care decisions" at literally the same time.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:43 PM (lc5cP)
They are very good at selling emotional arguments. This is, of course, the goal. Because emotion always trumps rational thought.
This is why the first step was to stop teaching cause/effect to kids, too.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:43 PM (lc5cP)
They are very good at selling emotional arguments. This is, of course, the goal. Because emotion always trumps rational thought.
This is why the first step was to stop teaching cause/effect to kids, too.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:45 PM (Lavx8)
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What's so funny about wanting limited government, especially at the federal level. That's a kind of libertarianism that's about more than pot smoking. And the GOPe sold us out decades ago.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 29, 2023 04:45 PM (RqMSv)
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115 I would argue the Marxists have taken over education since I was in HS and turned them into full time indoctrination Seminaries
Posted by: Skip
No argument necessary, you're spot on, Skip.
And with Blinken's Welcome Corps program & also the new immigration program where up to 30,000 noncitizens each month can seek parole on a case-by-case basis under the processes for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans, how will the average public school be able to adhere to a set teaching agenda? Indoctrination & a very basic education for many in the near future.
Posted by: Skip
No argument necessary, you're spot on, Skip.
And with Blinken's Welcome Corps program & also the new immigration program where up to 30,000 noncitizens each month can seek parole on a case-by-case basis under the processes for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans, how will the average public school be able to adhere to a set teaching agenda? Indoctrination & a very basic education for many in the near future.
Posted by: Lola - ALL the 1/6 videotapes from Alexandra & Jades, too. at May 29, 2023 04:45 PM (GshMh)
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Former Representative DeSantis is very familiar with how DC operates.
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Which is not the selling point some think it is.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 04:42 PM (5EnGD)
It’s not a selling point . It’s just a fact. That said, if you don’t know how to play the game you’re going to lose the game.
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Which is not the selling point some think it is.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 04:42 PM (5EnGD)
It’s not a selling point . It’s just a fact. That said, if you don’t know how to play the game you’re going to lose the game.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:46 PM (MNhXM)
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We have overturned Roe v Wade and unleashed a shit-storm in 50 states which Soros and the left have exploited well.
Senator Fetterman anyone?
We have overturned Roe v Wade and unleashed a shit-storm in 50 states which Soros and the left have exploited well.
Senator Fetterman anyone?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:46 PM (enJYY)
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The only good thing about the last 8 years or so is the wakeup call it has given to many on our side.
There was so much I was trying to convey in 2010 that is now right before everyone's very eyes, except the absolute willfully blind.
Number 1 is 99.9% of elected Republicans would sell you into slavery or see you occupying some minimal percentage of a skull landfill, regardless of who you vote for.
Number 2 is that the same goes for every Democrat because no one with an ounce of conscience would put a D behind their name at this point. The live birth abortions alone would have long ago chased anyone with an ounce of decency away. Instead the entire party has slowly adopted that very thing as their badge of courage.
And the dirty secret of Democrats is on the scale of One to Skull Ditches, *they* don't give a fuck who you vote for either.
There was so much I was trying to convey in 2010 that is now right before everyone's very eyes, except the absolute willfully blind.
Number 1 is 99.9% of elected Republicans would sell you into slavery or see you occupying some minimal percentage of a skull landfill, regardless of who you vote for.
Number 2 is that the same goes for every Democrat because no one with an ounce of conscience would put a D behind their name at this point. The live birth abortions alone would have long ago chased anyone with an ounce of decency away. Instead the entire party has slowly adopted that very thing as their badge of courage.
And the dirty secret of Democrats is on the scale of One to Skull Ditches, *they* don't give a fuck who you vote for either.
Posted by: ... at May 29, 2023 04:47 PM (lX8VI)
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Then explain how there are now 25 States that have constitutional carry of firearms at this point
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More and more people are wising up and picking better state legislators who aren’t dickless fag bunnies who taint lick water painted murals of Dubya Bush
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More and more people are wising up and picking better state legislators who aren’t dickless fag bunnies who taint lick water painted murals of Dubya Bush
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:47 PM (hcNad)
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As re SCOTUS and abortion. We didn't win nuthin'.
It gave them a cause, a rallying cry. Look at AZ, PA, WI, and others, where the 2022 TV ads were about nothing but.
It gave them a cause, a rallying cry. Look at AZ, PA, WI, and others, where the 2022 TV ads were about nothing but.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 29, 2023 04:48 PM (KiBMU)
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We have overturned Roe v Wade and unleashed a shit-storm in 50 states which Soros and the left have exploited well.
Senator Fetterman anyone?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:46 PM
I would posit that the good senator from Pennsylvania is a self correcting problem.
Senator Fetterman anyone?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:46 PM
I would posit that the good senator from Pennsylvania is a self correcting problem.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 04:48 PM (ncXxy)
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Had a career counselor in the Navy that believed in that train of thought.....reenlist and you won't have to decide what to wear to work everyday and you will be told what to do and when to do it and be taken care of. It was a simple message and it was very effective. His retention numbers were through the roof.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 04:40 PM (ncXxy)
Remember Loki's speech in the Avengers, where he said that people craved to be dominated. The (assumed) holocaust survivor said "not by you" - thusly, agreeing with the concept.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at May 29, 2023 04:40 PM (ncXxy)
Remember Loki's speech in the Avengers, where he said that people craved to be dominated. The (assumed) holocaust survivor said "not by you" - thusly, agreeing with the concept.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:48 PM (Lavx8)
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What's so funny about wanting limited government, especially at the federal level. That's a kind of libertarianism that's about more than pot smoking.
I still remember when the Republicans took the presidency and congress in '00 and the generally believe was they would shrink the already then bloated federal budget from $2T to something reasonable.
After 20 years, where they mostly controlled congress, last year the budget was $6.2T
I still remember when the Republicans took the presidency and congress in '00 and the generally believe was they would shrink the already then bloated federal budget from $2T to something reasonable.
After 20 years, where they mostly controlled congress, last year the budget was $6.2T
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:48 PM (lc5cP)
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I think nobody currently is happy with the government. It's either too intrusive, not intrusive enough or too far left, not far enough left. There's a host of other things I'm sure, but the percentage of the population that is truly happy with FedGov is probably not all that great.
The left has a stranglehold on the levers of power and their vision isn't going to win over many Libertarians. In fact, IMO the Libertarian movement isn't even a factor.
The left has a stranglehold on the levers of power and their vision isn't going to win over many Libertarians. In fact, IMO the Libertarian movement isn't even a factor.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 29, 2023 04:48 PM (Q4IgG)
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We need The Borg to collapse from its own weight, and that may happen, but the people running it beleive they'll always rule.
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That's what I keep saying.
Evil destroys evil. It's a modern American movie story myth that the good guys in white hats fight and win over the bad guys in black hats.
What path in 2024 is most likely to outrage, enrage and goad the federal government to openly attack in every direction?
I want the candidate they hate with blind rage. And any and all who voted for him.
Trump has them at about 10%.
I want 110%.
That isn't happening with "better governance, kinder tweets, smarter tactics."
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That's what I keep saying.
Evil destroys evil. It's a modern American movie story myth that the good guys in white hats fight and win over the bad guys in black hats.
What path in 2024 is most likely to outrage, enrage and goad the federal government to openly attack in every direction?
I want the candidate they hate with blind rage. And any and all who voted for him.
Trump has them at about 10%.
I want 110%.
That isn't happening with "better governance, kinder tweets, smarter tactics."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM (5EnGD)
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Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:46 PM (enJYY)
GOP evaporated on this issue after the ruling came out though. Zero attempts to push back. They let the Dems own the narrative here.
GOP evaporated on this issue after the ruling came out though. Zero attempts to push back. They let the Dems own the narrative here.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM (Lavx8)
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At one time I was a card carrying Libertarian (200 because I thought the party was fundamentally a less government more freedom party. Not the "no government" or "anything goes morally" party it's morphed into.
When I began to look into the Oregon state party organization there was nothing organized about it. It was just a bunch of children and wackos vying for those sweet matching campaign donations. Just like the Republicans statewide. No outreach. No candidate building. No precinct captains to canvass neighborhoods (the Libertarians didn't even have precincts) and no Republican digital presence to hook up addresses to volunteers. That consisted of one outdated web page listing consisting of unfilled positions.
If you won't do retail, foot leather politics then you might as well pretend debating Dave Smith on Twitter is changing the world.
because I thought the party was fundamentally a less government more freedom party. Not the "no government" or "anything goes morally" party it's morphed into.
When I began to look into the Oregon state party organization there was nothing organized about it. It was just a bunch of children and wackos vying for those sweet matching campaign donations. Just like the Republicans statewide. No outreach. No candidate building. No precinct captains to canvass neighborhoods (the Libertarians didn't even have precincts) and no Republican digital presence to hook up addresses to volunteers. That consisted of one outdated web page listing consisting of unfilled positions.
If you won't do retail, foot leather politics then you might as well pretend debating Dave Smith on Twitter is changing the world.
Posted by: JP at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM (tF/Gf)
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It gave them a cause, a rallying cry. Look at AZ, PA, WI, and others, where the 2022 TV ads were about nothing but.
No really. In states where they controlled the ballot counting process they won. In states where they didn't they lost big.
All abortion was, was a convenient excuse for the fraud in the purple states.
No really. In states where they controlled the ballot counting process they won. In states where they didn't they lost big.
All abortion was, was a convenient excuse for the fraud in the purple states.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM (lc5cP)
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We have overturned Roe v Wade and unleashed a shit-storm in 50 states which Soros and the left have exploited well.
Senator Fetterman anyone?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:46 PM (enJYY)
You pro Roe v Wade ?
Senator Fetterman anyone?
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:46 PM (enJYY)
You pro Roe v Wade ?
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM (MNhXM)
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Senator Fetterman anyone?
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It’s Pennsylvania, land of retards, pedophiles and Eagles fans, but I repeat myself
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It’s Pennsylvania, land of retards, pedophiles and Eagles fans, but I repeat myself
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM (hcNad)
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As an example during COVID the left argued you didn't have the "right to make them sick" which meant they could have you forcibly injected with poison against your will.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:43 PM (lc5cP)
That's an excellent and extraordinarily unfortunate example. Shit, I have to update my mental database.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:43 PM (lc5cP)
That's an excellent and extraordinarily unfortunate example. Shit, I have to update my mental database.
Posted by: ... at May 29, 2023 04:50 PM (lX8VI)
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"the 60’s and 70’s much worse than today. "
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In many ways, yes. But The Borg was in its infancy back then
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It was not better or worse, just a different stage of the same thing we're seeing today, done by the same people. It's been going for 100 years.
It's interesting to understand that 2020 until now could be compressed like it was because of the use of technology that didn't exist 50 years ago.
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In many ways, yes. But The Borg was in its infancy back then
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It was not better or worse, just a different stage of the same thing we're seeing today, done by the same people. It's been going for 100 years.
It's interesting to understand that 2020 until now could be compressed like it was because of the use of technology that didn't exist 50 years ago.
Posted by: Every child has a normal childhood, we're watching it be used as an attack at May 29, 2023 04:50 PM (5/7b/)
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All abortion was, was a convenient excuse for the fraud in the purple states.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM (lc5cP)
C'mon. Bad candidates. Oz?? Lake? Who told people in AZ not to vote for her. Walker?? Geesh.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM (lc5cP)
C'mon. Bad candidates. Oz?? Lake? Who told people in AZ not to vote for her. Walker?? Geesh.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:51 PM (Lavx8)
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Remind me again why she wasn't hanged for treason?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 04:21 PM (YqDXo)
Tits
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 29, 2023 04:21 PM (YqDXo)
Tits
Posted by: Probably at May 29, 2023 04:51 PM (K9Eal)
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Holy shit! I got suited up, pulled out all of the weapons I need to charge the gates for an epic ass-whoopin' and when I got there, there was nobody 'there'.
I guess I'll go back to grilling these steaks and chicken.
Mama's bringin' the dinner rolls.
I guess I'll go back to grilling these steaks and chicken.
Mama's bringin' the dinner rolls.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at May 29, 2023 04:51 PM (KVGVf)
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They are very good at selling emotional arguments. This is, of course, the goal. Because emotion always trumps rational thought.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:45 PM (Lavx
This is true for most women and gays. It's why the 19th Amendment needs to be debated again.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:45 PM (Lavx
This is true for most women and gays. It's why the 19th Amendment needs to be debated again.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 29, 2023 04:52 PM (BdMk6)
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Lake? Who told people in AZ not to vote for her. Walker?? Geesh.
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Lake was consistently up by double digits prior to the election
If you don’t think dominion is basically a ballot stuffing fraud machine for the democrats by now I don’t know what else to tell you
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Lake was consistently up by double digits prior to the election
If you don’t think dominion is basically a ballot stuffing fraud machine for the democrats by now I don’t know what else to tell you
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:53 PM (hcNad)
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McCarthy was right.
Never forget that, because it's important. IIRC it was the Venona papers that showed that he had *underestimated* the danger.
They took over in the 60s and 70s but had to stay hidden. Now they know they don't have to hide any longer.
Never forget that, because it's important. IIRC it was the Venona papers that showed that he had *underestimated* the danger.
They took over in the 60s and 70s but had to stay hidden. Now they know they don't have to hide any longer.
Posted by: Every child has a normal childhood, we're watching it be used as an attack at May 29, 2023 04:53 PM (5/7b/)
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As re gun rights and SCOTUS, we've won nuttin'.
Uvalde, Buffalo, Nashville. These and any like them are the bright beacons that motivate the white part of the left's base.
Uvalde, Buffalo, Nashville. These and any like them are the bright beacons that motivate the white part of the left's base.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 29, 2023 04:53 PM (KiBMU)
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Wasn't Lumpy's opponent pro abortion?
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 04:53 PM (PZvjL)
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GOP evaporated on this issue after the ruling came out though. Zero attempts to push back. They let the Dems own the narrative here.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM
Yes, they did. The GOP should have had a weekend retreat where all the candidates were told 'DO NOT STEP ON YOUR OWN DICK' on this issue.
Now I have Senator Fetterman for six years. And a (D) governor. And a Secretary of State appointed by the Governor who oversees elections in this state.
The same state that put Trump over the top at about 3 am in November of 2020.
GOP evaporated on this issue after the ruling came out though. Zero attempts to push back. They let the Dems own the narrative here.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM
Yes, they did. The GOP should have had a weekend retreat where all the candidates were told 'DO NOT STEP ON YOUR OWN DICK' on this issue.
Now I have Senator Fetterman for six years. And a (D) governor. And a Secretary of State appointed by the Governor who oversees elections in this state.
The same state that put Trump over the top at about 3 am in November of 2020.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:53 PM (enJYY)
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I think nobody currently is happy with the government. It's either too intrusive, not intrusive enough or too far left, not far enough left. There's a host of other things I'm sure, but the percentage of the population that is truly happy with FedGov is probably not all that great.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 29, 2023 04:48 PM (Q4IgG)
I dunno. Maybe you don't talk to enough leftards? And I swear I'm not being funny with you at all because I know what you mean.
But the amount of them that think everything right now is fine and fucking dandy is just beyond weird. Especially when you consider that "their guy" is basically a two-legged table at this point. It's like they experienced whatever horror they believe Trump was, and anything after that is a wonderful relief.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 29, 2023 04:48 PM (Q4IgG)
I dunno. Maybe you don't talk to enough leftards? And I swear I'm not being funny with you at all because I know what you mean.
But the amount of them that think everything right now is fine and fucking dandy is just beyond weird. Especially when you consider that "their guy" is basically a two-legged table at this point. It's like they experienced whatever horror they believe Trump was, and anything after that is a wonderful relief.
Posted by: ... at May 29, 2023 04:54 PM (lX8VI)
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It’s Pennsylvania, land of retards, pedophiles and Eagles fans, but I repeat myself
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It's the State of Philadelphia, and its surrounding suburbs of Pennsylvania. If these cock-suckers can get 105% turnout every (national) election, and everybody nods along, this shit won't stop. Oh and, a few steel workers from Pittsburg.
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It's the State of Philadelphia, and its surrounding suburbs of Pennsylvania. If these cock-suckers can get 105% turnout every (national) election, and everybody nods along, this shit won't stop. Oh and, a few steel workers from Pittsburg.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 29, 2023 04:54 PM (7Fj9P)
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Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:53 PM (hcNad)
Where? Every poll I saw it was pretty even the whole time. Disturbingly even. They should've been it coming.
Fraud can only affect margins on the edge, before it becomes apparent.
Which is why it would have worked against Trump. He eeked by in 2016, it eeked ther way in 2020.
Where? Every poll I saw it was pretty even the whole time. Disturbingly even. They should've been it coming.
Fraud can only affect margins on the edge, before it becomes apparent.
Which is why it would have worked against Trump. He eeked by in 2016, it eeked ther way in 2020.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:54 PM (Lavx8)
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This is true for most women and gays. It's why the 19th Amendment needs to be debated again.
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And add an additional provision that simps and soys and all the incel boys are precluded from voting in any election as well
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And add an additional provision that simps and soys and all the incel boys are precluded from voting in any election as well
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:54 PM (hcNad)
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Overturning Roe was a Deus Vult moment. It was the right thing no matter the cost, the illness of the Left was and is going to progress, regardless. Courage. It's going to get worse.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at May 29, 2023 04:55 PM (oWBc3)
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Yes, they did. The GOP should have had a weekend retreat where all the candidates were told 'DO NOT STEP ON YOUR OWN DICK' on this issue.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:53 PM (enJYY)
Except Republicans aren't on your side. Their whole job is to do some real Stepin Fetchit dick-flattening whenever required.
Yes, they did. The GOP should have had a weekend retreat where all the candidates were told 'DO NOT STEP ON YOUR OWN DICK' on this issue.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:53 PM (enJYY)
Except Republicans aren't on your side. Their whole job is to do some real Stepin Fetchit dick-flattening whenever required.
Posted by: ... at May 29, 2023 04:55 PM (lX8VI)
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"But the amount of them that think everything right now is fine and fucking dandy is just beyond weird."
We have too many people who are too well off, and too many people coddled by government.
We have too many people who are too well off, and too many people coddled by government.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 29, 2023 04:56 PM (RqMSv)
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It was not better or worse, just a different stage of the same thing we're seeing today, done by the same people. It's been going for 100 years.
It's interesting to understand that 2020 until now could be compressed like it was because of the use of technology that didn't exist 50 years ago.
Posted by: Every child has a normal childhood, we're watching it be used as an attack at May 29, 2023 04:50 PM (5/7b/)
Curious if you were around at that time. We had 5 high profile assassinations or attempted assassinations, a worse bankrupt NYC, race riots, gas lines, price freezes, war protest riots, a Presidential resignation, multiple Middle East wars, the Cold War , 18%mortgage interest rates, etc etc.
It's interesting to understand that 2020 until now could be compressed like it was because of the use of technology that didn't exist 50 years ago.
Posted by: Every child has a normal childhood, we're watching it be used as an attack at May 29, 2023 04:50 PM (5/7b/)
Curious if you were around at that time. We had 5 high profile assassinations or attempted assassinations, a worse bankrupt NYC, race riots, gas lines, price freezes, war protest riots, a Presidential resignation, multiple Middle East wars, the Cold War , 18%mortgage interest rates, etc etc.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:56 PM (MNhXM)
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Where? Every poll I saw it was pretty even the whole time. Disturbingly even. They should've been it coming.
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RCP should have an archive, out of all the elections I thought lake would be called as an easy win by should have realized it was Arizona
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RCP should have an archive, out of all the elections I thought lake would be called as an easy win by should have realized it was Arizona
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:56 PM (hcNad)
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Now I have Senator Fetterman for six years. And a (D) governor. And a Secretary of State appointed by the Governor who oversees elections in this state.
The same state that put Trump over the top at about 3 am in November of 2020.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:53 PM (enJYY)
Thank Trump for this - for supporting Mastriano and Oz; both of whom are out of step with the average Pennsylvanian. You pick electable candidates, even if you don't agree with them on everything.
For instance. Romney is perfectly acceptable as a MA Senator. As a UT one? Horrible.
The same state that put Trump over the top at about 3 am in November of 2020.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:53 PM (enJYY)
Thank Trump for this - for supporting Mastriano and Oz; both of whom are out of step with the average Pennsylvanian. You pick electable candidates, even if you don't agree with them on everything.
For instance. Romney is perfectly acceptable as a MA Senator. As a UT one? Horrible.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:56 PM (Lavx8)
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The Roe outcry was incredible to watch.
I never thought I'd see irrational, overly-emotional, low-information voters up in arms over being given state-level freedom I could only dream of with my firearms.
I never thought I'd see irrational, overly-emotional, low-information voters up in arms over being given state-level freedom I could only dream of with my firearms.
Posted by: Every child has a normal childhood, we're watching it be used as an attack at May 29, 2023 04:57 PM (5/7b/)
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"But the amount of them that think everything right now is fine and fucking dandy is just beyond weird."
Its funny, I have a bunch of those at work. Then we had layoffs. But...the ones that didn't get laid off are right back to arguing everything is awesome! Until you point out there is almost certainly going to be another round...
Its funny, I have a bunch of those at work. Then we had layoffs. But...the ones that didn't get laid off are right back to arguing everything is awesome! Until you point out there is almost certainly going to be another round...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:57 PM (lc5cP)
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They are very good at selling emotional arguments. This is, of course, the goal. Because emotion always trumps rational thought.
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Which Republican presidential candidate has an emotional appeal?
Which one can you "get" why he is running in less than 3 seconds?
Give the first word or phrase that comes to mind for each.
If you're explaining, you're losing ....
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Which Republican presidential candidate has an emotional appeal?
Which one can you "get" why he is running in less than 3 seconds?
Give the first word or phrase that comes to mind for each.
If you're explaining, you're losing ....
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 04:57 PM (5EnGD)
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C'mon. Bad candidates. Oz?? Lake? Who told people in AZ not to vote for her. Walker?? Geesh.
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WtF are you even talking about? I guess I missed the Troll Open Thread neon light blinking on the splash page.
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WtF are you even talking about? I guess I missed the Troll Open Thread neon light blinking on the splash page.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at May 29, 2023 04:57 PM (7Fj9P)
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You pro Roe v Wade ?
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM
If you don't understand why there needs to be a lot of asterisks (*) around the issue of abortion then there's no use debating with you.
Enjoy being in the (L) column every election.
You pro Roe v Wade ?
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM
If you don't understand why there needs to be a lot of asterisks (*) around the issue of abortion then there's no use debating with you.
Enjoy being in the (L) column every election.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:57 PM (enJYY)
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Curious if you were around at that time. We had 5 high profile assassinations or attempted assassinations, a worse bankrupt NYC, race riots, gas lines, price freezes, war protest riots, a Presidential resignation, multiple Middle East wars, the Cold War , 18%mortgage interest rates, etc etc.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:56 PM (MNhXM)
Good Times. Good Times.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:56 PM (MNhXM)
Good Times. Good Times.
Posted by: JP at May 29, 2023 04:58 PM (tF/Gf)
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lorien is a super longtime AoS person, doubt he's trolling. Not that I agree with him on the "bad candidate" score.
Posted by: ... at May 29, 2023 04:59 PM (lX8VI)
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It was planned from the time the D "ladies" of Congress donned their white robes, howled over Justice Kavanagh's hearings, and brought false "and/or unproven" testimony against him.
I wrote Pennsylvania politicians & begged they not participate in, or support in any manner, such nonsense because it was opening Pandora's box. The Hyde Amendment, Universal Healthcare, yada..
I wrote Pennsylvania politicians & begged they not participate in, or support in any manner, such nonsense because it was opening Pandora's box. The Hyde Amendment, Universal Healthcare, yada..
Posted by: Lola - ALL the 1/6 videotapes from Alexandra & Jades, too. at May 29, 2023 04:59 PM (GshMh)
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Senator Fetterman anyone?
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It’s Pennsylvania, land of retards, pedophiles and Eagles fans, but I repeat myself
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM (hcNad)
Let's be honest it is the black supermajority that keeps electing democrats without any rational reason other than they are stupid
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It’s Pennsylvania, land of retards, pedophiles and Eagles fans, but I repeat myself
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:49 PM (hcNad)
Let's be honest it is the black supermajority that keeps electing democrats without any rational reason other than they are stupid
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 29, 2023 04:59 PM (pmmLi)
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:59 PM (lc5cP)
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And add an additional provision that simps and soys and all the incel boys are precluded from voting in any election as well
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:54 PM (hcNad)
"Have you ever seen an episode of sex and the city?"
Yes? Revoked.
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxxed Ranger at May 29, 2023 04:54 PM (hcNad)
"Have you ever seen an episode of sex and the city?"
Yes? Revoked.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 04:59 PM (Lavx8)
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nood uniparty
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at May 29, 2023 05:00 PM (Vwz3I)
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Only 74 degrees and breezy at that, at least sunshine
Posted by: Skip at May 29, 2023 05:00 PM (xhxe8)
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My local Aldi's has self checkout now (for credit cards only I think).
Posted by: illiniwek at May 29, 2023 05:00 PM (Cus5s)
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Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 04:57 PM (enJYY)
False premise . We lost nothing because of Roe v Wade. You’re being gaslighted.
But you’re right. No sense debating with you.
False premise . We lost nothing because of Roe v Wade. You’re being gaslighted.
But you’re right. No sense debating with you.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 05:00 PM (MNhXM)
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Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:59 PM (lc5cP)
This is a meaningless amount; well within the margin. Of error. And fraud.
GOP has hundreds of thousands more voters than the DNC does in that state. How is it even possible to lose? The state GOP sucks ass. That's how.
This is a meaningless amount; well within the margin. Of error. And fraud.
GOP has hundreds of thousands more voters than the DNC does in that state. How is it even possible to lose? The state GOP sucks ass. That's how.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 05:00 PM (Lavx8)
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It was not better or worse, just a different stage of the same thing we're seeing today, done by the same people. It's been going for 100 years.
It's interesting to understand that 2020 until now could be compressed like it was because of the use of technology that didn't exist 50 years ago.
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Curious if you were around at that time. We had 5 high profile assassinations or attempted assassinations, a worse bankrupt NYC, race riots, gas lines, price freezes, war protest riots, a Presidential resignation, multiple Middle East wars, the Cold War , 18%mortgage interest rates, etc etc.
Posted by: polynikes
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Nope. And I don't disagree with you at all. Not one bit.
The bolded part is key, btw.
Look at the COVID scam, J6, Waco, miraculously finding a 9/11 terrorist's passport in the rubble of the wreckage, having the PATRIOT Act ready to sign, the FISA court abuses, investigation of a president based on lies from a government agencies, coordinated theft of a national election, etc.
All the same folks then and now. All coordinated, all on purpose to achieve a goal.
It's interesting to understand that 2020 until now could be compressed like it was because of the use of technology that didn't exist 50 years ago.
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Curious if you were around at that time. We had 5 high profile assassinations or attempted assassinations, a worse bankrupt NYC, race riots, gas lines, price freezes, war protest riots, a Presidential resignation, multiple Middle East wars, the Cold War , 18%mortgage interest rates, etc etc.
Posted by: polynikes
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Nope. And I don't disagree with you at all. Not one bit.
The bolded part is key, btw.
Look at the COVID scam, J6, Waco, miraculously finding a 9/11 terrorist's passport in the rubble of the wreckage, having the PATRIOT Act ready to sign, the FISA court abuses, investigation of a president based on lies from a government agencies, coordinated theft of a national election, etc.
All the same folks then and now. All coordinated, all on purpose to achieve a goal.
Posted by: Every child has a normal childhood, we're watching it be used as an attack at May 29, 2023 05:02 PM (5/7b/)
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Libertarians are progressives from 10 or 15 years back. It’s similar but slower.
Posted by: Advo at May 29, 2023 05:02 PM (RRoc1)
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191 Its funny, I have a bunch of those at work. Then we had layoffs. But...the ones that didn't get laid off are right back to arguing everything is awesome! Until you point out there is almost certainly going to be another round...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:57 PM (lc5cP)
One of the reasons I'm not as ripshit pissed off about the whole mass-layoff-in-a-riot thing as I'm culturally supposed to be is that it occurs to me that if management is dumb enough to shred the part of the company whose products made all the money, I probably don't want to be around for what's inevitably got to happen next. Being a millennial sucks sometime, but one silver lining is that we entered the workforce right after the death-march culture that almost wrecked the tech sector so we've had a rather work experience. I try to not take that for granted.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 29, 2023 04:57 PM (lc5cP)
One of the reasons I'm not as ripshit pissed off about the whole mass-layoff-in-a-riot thing as I'm culturally supposed to be is that it occurs to me that if management is dumb enough to shred the part of the company whose products made all the money, I probably don't want to be around for what's inevitably got to happen next. Being a millennial sucks sometime, but one silver lining is that we entered the workforce right after the death-march culture that almost wrecked the tech sector so we've had a rather work experience. I try to not take that for granted.
Posted by: CppThis at May 29, 2023 05:03 PM (PZvjL)
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Kari Lake was everything we want in a candidate. Everything that, for example, Oz was not.
I can't wrap my head around this "bad candidate" thing unless there is no such thing as a "good candidate".
I can't wrap my head around this "bad candidate" thing unless there is no such thing as a "good candidate".
Posted by: ... at May 29, 2023 05:03 PM (lX8VI)
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Thank Trump for this - for supporting Mastriano and Oz; both of whom are out of step with the average Pennsylvanian. You pick electable candidates, even if you don't agree with them on everything.
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Trump's first choice was eliminated.
So it was Oz or the GOPe stooge.
As for Mastriano--I watched him grandstand in the election fraud hearings. He oozed "slimy politician who is all talk"
So ....
Yeah, Trump--sitting on how many hundreds of millions in unused campaign funds!?-- can't run a candidate boot camp, can't hire a single researcher to find actual conservatives. Instead, throws darts and "you're on your own, get out there and win bigly!"
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Trump's first choice was eliminated.
So it was Oz or the GOPe stooge.
As for Mastriano--I watched him grandstand in the election fraud hearings. He oozed "slimy politician who is all talk"
So ....
Yeah, Trump--sitting on how many hundreds of millions in unused campaign funds!?-- can't run a candidate boot camp, can't hire a single researcher to find actual conservatives. Instead, throws darts and "you're on your own, get out there and win bigly!"
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 05:07 PM (5EnGD)
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Don't forget that a literal surgeon and Oprah-boosted TV personality lost to a non-verbal Fettermans Monster
It was a show of power.
It was a show of power.
Posted by: Every child has a normal childhood, we're watching it be used as an attack at May 29, 2023 05:09 PM (5/7b/)
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Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 29, 2023 05:07 PM (5EnGD)
Didn't Trump (or the GOP, forget) send out emails asking for funds for these candidates; but they wound up taking 90% of them? They starved their own people.
GOP doesn't want to win.
Rona is worthless. It's tragic that someone couldn't oust her.
Didn't Trump (or the GOP, forget) send out emails asking for funds for these candidates; but they wound up taking 90% of them? They starved their own people.
GOP doesn't want to win.
Rona is worthless. It's tragic that someone couldn't oust her.
Posted by: lorien1973 at May 29, 2023 05:10 PM (Lavx8)
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Curious if you were around at that time. We had 5 high profile assassinations or attempted assassinations, a worse bankrupt NYC, race riots, gas lines, price freezes, war protest riots, a Presidential resignation, multiple Middle East wars, the Cold War , 18%mortgage interest rates, etc etc.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:56 PM (MNhXM)
BUT the government wasn't inside my house or on my property mandating what I should have or not have to run my household. Same goes for the car that I drive.
They're also have their sticky paws in my medical welfare. They're already starting to demand that I talk and act a certain way.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:56 PM (MNhXM)
BUT the government wasn't inside my house or on my property mandating what I should have or not have to run my household. Same goes for the car that I drive.
They're also have their sticky paws in my medical welfare. They're already starting to demand that I talk and act a certain way.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 29, 2023 05:11 PM (BdMk6)
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84 Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 03:59 PM
To be fair, sometimes it takes a farcical aquatic ceremony to manufacture the mandate from the masses.
Posted by: Fulton County broken water line at May 29, 2023 04:19 PM (a3Q+t)
That was bloody brilliant.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at May 29, 2023 03:59 PM
To be fair, sometimes it takes a farcical aquatic ceremony to manufacture the mandate from the masses.
Posted by: Fulton County broken water line at May 29, 2023 04:19 PM (a3Q+t)
That was bloody brilliant.
Posted by: Moki at May 29, 2023 05:12 PM (JrN/x)
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BUT the government wasn't inside my house or on my property mandating what I should have or not have to run my household. Same goes for the car that I drive.
They're also have their sticky paws in my medical welfare. They're already starting to demand that I talk and act a certain way.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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I bet there's a name for that, but no on wants to admit it's taken over America.
BUT the government wasn't inside my house or on my property mandating what I should have or not have to run my household. Same goes for the car that I drive.
They're also have their sticky paws in my medical welfare. They're already starting to demand that I talk and act a certain way.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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I bet there's a name for that, but no on wants to admit it's taken over America.
Posted by: Every child has a normal childhood, we're watching it be used as an attack at May 29, 2023 05:13 PM (5/7b/)
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Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 29, 2023 05:11 PM (BdMk6)
Taxes, seatbelts , gun laws , speed limits , school prayer , etc. there’s a lot more regard to personal freedom if you care to remember.
Taxes, seatbelts , gun laws , speed limits , school prayer , etc. there’s a lot more regard to personal freedom if you care to remember.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 05:19 PM (MNhXM)
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When someone honestly proclaims (a big if on the internet) they have a daughter and can not see the need for exceptions to abortion rulings I'll converse with them.
Until then sit down, shut up, or enjoy losing elections.
When someone honestly proclaims (a big if on the internet) they have a daughter and can not see the need for exceptions to abortion rulings I'll converse with them.
Until then sit down, shut up, or enjoy losing elections.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 05:26 PM (enJYY)
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Projection (active): on planning to rig the election, I preemptively accuse the other side of intending to rig the election in the same way, knowing that they will look like sore losers if they in turn accuse me!
Projection (passive): on being advised against cheating, I regard this as foolish, since I know that everyone cheats!
Projection (passive): on being advised against cheating, I regard this as foolish, since I know that everyone cheats!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 29, 2023 05:30 PM (OqSlY)
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Mastriano's position on abortion (no exceptions) drove women to the polls, and while they were there they voted against Oz.
He stepped on his own dick but probably walked away with a ton of campaign contributions. Victory for him.
Losing issues create losing states. Even enough to decide Presidential elections.
Mastriano's position on abortion (no exceptions) drove women to the polls, and while they were there they voted against Oz.
He stepped on his own dick but probably walked away with a ton of campaign contributions. Victory for him.
Losing issues create losing states. Even enough to decide Presidential elections.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at May 29, 2023 05:32 PM (enJYY)
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Curious if you were around at that time. We had 5 high profile assassinations or attempted assassinations, a worse bankrupt NYC, race riots, gas lines, price freezes, war protest riots, a Presidential resignation, multiple Middle East wars, the Cold War , 18%mortgage interest rates, etc etc.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:56 PM (MNhXM)
I hear you and you make a compelling argument, but the most chilling difference I see now is the all seeing eye of Big Tech and it's alliance with the Left/Democrat Party leaving dissenters no place to hide. And now add the use of the Democrat Party's weaponization of their own personal secret police, the FBI and IC, to suppress any and all dissenters and yeah, I'm scared. And that wasn't happening in the 60's-70's. Not even close.
Posted by: polynikes at May 29, 2023 04:56 PM (MNhXM)
I hear you and you make a compelling argument, but the most chilling difference I see now is the all seeing eye of Big Tech and it's alliance with the Left/Democrat Party leaving dissenters no place to hide. And now add the use of the Democrat Party's weaponization of their own personal secret police, the FBI and IC, to suppress any and all dissenters and yeah, I'm scared. And that wasn't happening in the 60's-70's. Not even close.
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