Is Woke Disney Spooked by Proxy Fight?

Disney is facing a proxy fight from activist investment group Trian. Trian buys up stocks in companies they believe are underperforming, then attempts to force one of their own on to the underperforming company's board of directors, then makes changes to deliver better returns for stock owners.

Reportedly, they've generally been successful in making companies more profitable.

Woke Disney is determined to sacrifice profit and shareholder value to pursue their "Not-So-Hidden Gay Agenda." So they are resisting Trian's attempt to install the group's founder and would-be inside man Nelson Peltz on to the board -- but Woke Disney, of course, doesn't want anything to change. They don't want any outsiders on the board, just Iger's handpicked yes-men. And Disney doesn't want to prioritize profit; they want to prioritize The Message, and if that results in the company and its shareholders losing money, oh well!

Disney is shrieking, "Ignore those profit-focused men who want to increase shareholder value! Stick with us and continue losing money but gaining Young Recruits to LGBT2IA!"

With Nelson Peltz angling for a seat on Disney’s board, the company on Thursday blasted the activist investor, his firm Trian Group, and his son, Matthew Peltz, whom Trian is proposing as a possible alternate candidate.
"The Disney Board of Directors does not endorse Nelson Peltz (or his son Matthew, who is running as an alternate Mr. Peltz may swap in) as a nominee, and believes the election of either Mr. Peltz or his son would threaten the strategic management of Disney during a period of important change in the media landscape," the company said today.
Disney shareholders will vote on the boad of directors at the next annual meeting. The event is usually in early March but may be delayed a bit this year. The company is proposing slate of 11 directors -- it used to be 12 until the retirement of former board chair Susan Arnold. Peltz has gotten himself added to the ballot and the battle, called a proxy fight, is heating up.
The 11 directors with the most votes win, so Peltz has to basically unseat one one Disney’s nominees and has targeted Michael Froman. He is citing Froman’s lack of board experience and urging shareholders to withhold support for Froman and vote for him instead.
Both Disney and Trian are sending all Disney shareholders voting cards with the full list of board candidates and their recommendations. Shareholders can use card either to vote.

Trian has set up a "Restore the Magic" website to explain their dissatisfaction with Disney, and to propose how they intend to fix it.

Note they do not address Disney's woke agenda.

I don't think they want to make this into some kind of political fight.

But surely they've noticed Disney's woke agenda. And surely many of the shareholders have as well.

And many of them have noticed that Disney's share value has fallen by almost half the past year.

In his letter, posted to his website Restore the Magic, Trian targets Disney's board, calling out its declining stock price and earnings per share over the past year, as well as its decision to cancel dividends.
Trying to win over the shareholders, Peltz -- who is worth $1.4billion and currently owns 0.5 percent of Disney through his firm Trian Partners -- writes that 'earnings per share have declined an astounding 50 percent since 2019 because costs have ballooned, even as Disney generated 41 percent more in revenue.'
At the same time, he said, the share price has plummeted 44 percent in 2022.
'For a company with so many advantages -- unparalleled consumer loyalty and access, valuable intellectual property, renowned brands, an enviable library of content and a talented and engaged workforce -- it is disappointing and simply unacceptable that shareholders have suffered so much,' he said.
'We cannot sit idly by,' the letter continues. 'And we hope you will not either.
'If shareholders like us and you remain passive, without demanding more accountability and an ownership mentality in the boardroom, why shouldn't we expect the stock to do anything other than fall back to another eight-year-low?
'As the owners of this great company, we must act,' it says, before touting Peltz's work at other companies including Unilever, Procter & Gamble and Wendy's.
'Nelson is prepared to ask the hard questions at Disney and pursue excellence in strategy, leadership, culture and performance,' the letter continues, claiming: 'Disney's executives and directors do not want Nelson in the boardroom.
'Based on our experience, we believe they don't want to be challenged, answer hard questions or have robust debates. They prefer the status quo.
'But shareholders need someone in the boardroom who is experienced enough, committed enough and objective enough to insist that Disney live up to its full potential,' the letter concludes.

Midnight's Edge discusses the proxy fight below. It's Andrej's speculation that the blitz across all the leftwing trade papers -- Deadline, Variety, THR -- telling investors to stick with Team Woke indicates that Disney is "panicked" about Trian getting a non-Iger stooge on to the board.

I don't think I buy that. Disney would tell stockholders not to vote for the Peltz bid whether they were worried about it or not, and of course Disney's leftwing media allies want to keep the Not-So-Secret Gay Agenda going.

Obviously, it is the recommendation of the Ace of Spades Investment Group that all Disney shareholders vote for Peltz to join the board, or give their proxy fights to Trian so that they can vote for Peltz to join the board.

There are rumors that Woke Disney is considering selling off, depending on the rumor, Lucasfilm or the Star Wars IP, ESPN, or the ABC network. I imagine they'd be interested in selling off Fox studios, once they've extracted the money-making franchises from it. But I don't know who'd want to buy that.

The Critical Drinker gloats over the collapse of Woke Disney.

Posted by: Ace at 04:10 PM

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1 Die Mouse, Die!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2023 04:10 PM (yQpMk)

2 It's quiet.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2023 04:11 PM (yQpMk)

3 Too Quiet.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 06, 2023 04:11 PM (yQpMk)

4 Make it so.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 06, 2023 04:11 PM (wtvvX)

5 I hope so.

Stockholders need to stop acting like any management decision is fine, especially if its designed to not maximize profits.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:11 PM (LvTSG)

6 Steamboat Willie is a fag!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 06, 2023 04:12 PM (u73oe)

7 Ein Maus ist tot ja?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:13 PM (dCQ+C)

8 Yes but what about their ESG scores???

I bet this effort fails. Disney will have to bleed even more before anything changes.

Posted by: brak at February 06, 2023 04:13 PM (j5Tg0)

9 Thought old thread was getting old

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2023 04:13 PM (xhxe8)

10 Milking the cow to death. They pad their accounts and kill the iconic brand. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 06, 2023 04:13 PM (y/a4v)

11 I hope Disney is sweating some

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2023 04:14 PM (xhxe8)

12 Ron DeSantis would skin that little rat bastard and staple the pelt to Iger's head.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 06, 2023 04:14 PM (D25PY)

13 Disney is even offering discounts to one of their theme parks but not to the other.

And oh yeah that Star Wars cruise ship to nowhere? It is now running about as empty as AMTRAK.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:14 PM (dCQ+C)

14 "The Disney Board of Directors does not endorse Nelson Peltz (or his son Matthew, who is running as an alternate Mr. Peltz may swap in) as a nominee, and believes the election of either Mr. Peltz or his son would threaten the strategic management of Disney during a period of important change in the media landscape," the company said today.
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That's the freakin' point, dingus! You guys suck. You're pissing away money. The dude smells an opportunity to threaten your strategic (mis)management.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:15 PM (t0OGg)

15 There are rumors that Woke Disney is considering selling off, depending on the rumor, Lucasfilm or the Star Wars IP, ESPN, or the ABC network. I imagine they'd be interested in selling off Fox studios, once they've extracted the money-making franchises from it. But I don't know who'd want to buy that.

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The Fox library minus the big properties (Star Wars, Alien, a few others) are a deep thing that would be great to have in other hands. Not hugely profitable, but a nice steady profit stream for a smaller streamer like Tubi or something.

To add to this, this gets into the nitty gritty of home video, but Disney has finally licensed titles to a third party (Mill Creek) which is, aside for an odd agreement here and there about individual titles (Criterion did WALL-E last year, for some reason), the first major deal they've made of this kind in at least 5 years. They closed up shop to this sort of thing, hoping to get everyone onto streaming, Disney+ loses at least $1.5 billion last year, and then suddenly revenue needs to be found.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:15 PM (LvTSG)

16 Disney World = Groom City

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 06, 2023 04:15 PM (WmGrA)

17 Disney turned to sh*t long ago.

Posted by: vic at February 06, 2023 04:15 PM (sbuTN)

18 It's a mystery to me why DIS has dropped by half in the past year or so....

Just kidding. I bought DVDs of anything they put out that was decent (in other words, more than two decades ago), from non-DIS sources, just to make sure they didn't get a dime from me, and I will ensure they don't going forward.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 06, 2023 04:15 PM (lTGtQ)

19 "Trian buys up stocks in companies they believe are underperforming, then attempts to ..."

Call Chainsaw Al Dunlap. He'll put some stick about.

Posted by: gp's Brunch Lid Post Ante at February 06, 2023 04:16 PM (24fqN)

20
Uh huh.

"I want control of this regime mouthpiece, and I promise you MOAR RICHEZ if you give it to me."

The whole thing is repellent.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at February 06, 2023 04:16 PM (oINRc)

21 The entire point of bringing in someone new is to prevent Disney from going the way of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:16 PM (dCQ+C)

22 Easiest stock market prediction ever: Disney will post earnings today higher than expected. Iger will pull out every accounting trick possible to pump the stock.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (mZBka)

23 This shows how woke metastasizes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (zZu0s)

24 13 Disney is even offering discounts to one of their theme parks but not to the other.

And oh yeah that Star Wars cruise ship to nowhere? It is now running about as empty as AMTRAK.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:14 PM (dCQ+C)

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One of Dolley's Youtube watches did that. They, of course, had nothing but good things to say about it because they are dishonest Disney shills that privilege their access and were in an exclusive early media event, but just watching the damn thing gave me a headache.

It's constant roleplaying with loud noises. The cast doesn't leave you alone. It seems unbearable.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (LvTSG)

25 I could see Disney selling off ABC/ESPN. Not sure either of those channels has been doing well of late.

Posted by: Octochicken at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (oCS0o)

26 nelson: ha ha

Posted by: gnats local 678 at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (kFrCu)

27 So is the plan to have Disney still be woke but less obvious about it?

Posted by: Hands at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (786Ro)

28 Selling the albatross that is ESPN makes all sorts of sense. But who is dumb enough to buy it as it traverses to oblivion.

Buy hay, Wasp's new movie with a side of Antman is out soon, I'm sure that'll make billions.

Posted by: Bete at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (yMapP)

29 I wish they would do a 180. This world needs good, wholesome movie content where a rainbow can be something cool in the sky and nothing more.

Posted by: Piper at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (ZdaMQ)

30 21 The entire point of bringing in someone new is to prevent Disney from going the way of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:16 PM (dCQ+C)

Hey at least the Austro-Hungarians had a sense of what they wanted to be- they just lacked the talent to actually BE that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (zZu0s)

31 Trian has set up a "Restore the Magic" website to explain their dissatisfaction with Disney, and to propose how they intend to fix it.

Note they do not address Disney's woke agenda.
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There is stuff that can be interpreted that way. I went and looked at the website, and there is this little tidbit:
FIX
Strategy & Operations
Improve DTC operating margins
Eliminate redundant/excessive costs
Refocus creative engine to drive growth

Emphasis mine. That is a wide-open description, and might be a source of a lot of the discontent with the notion. Content is absolutely on the table. He also wants to be rid of Iger. Not right away, but down the road. They just brought Iger back.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (t0OGg)

32 "Trian has set up a "Restore the Magic" website"

'Restore the Magic' == 'Convince the rubes to start buying our overpriced branded crap again.'

Posted by: gp's Brunch Lid Post Ante at February 06, 2023 04:18 PM (24fqN)

33 I think they miscalculated how not woke we really are

Posted by: It's me donna at February 06, 2023 04:19 PM (bs+z0)

34 32 "Trian has set up a "Restore the Magic" website"

'Restore the Magic' == 'Convince the rubes to start buying our overpriced branded crap again.'
Posted by: gp's Brunch Lid Post Ante at February 06, 2023 04:18 PM (24fqN)

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It worked for decades, and then, suddenly, it stopped working.

Probably because America is racist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:19 PM (LvTSG)

35 There are rumors that Woke Disney is considering selling off, depending on the rumor, Lucasfilm or the Star Wars IP, ESPN, or the ABC network. I imagine they'd be interested in selling off Fox studios, once they've extracted the money-making franchises from it. But I don't know who'd want to buy that.
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The broadcasters (ABC, ESPN) are probably the most likely candidates for a spin-out. They are probably fairly easily severable, rights for things like home video and streaming can be negotiated into the contract, etc.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:19 PM (t0OGg)

36 They aren't restoring any magic.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 06, 2023 04:19 PM (y/a4v)

37 TJM

The worse thing about the cruise ship is, there is no real Star Wars in it except a few costumed employees. The sets are more akin to Generic Science Fiction set #10351.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:19 PM (dCQ+C)

38 And many of them have noticed that XXXX's share value has fallen by almost half the past year.

.. XXXX can be one of a hundred companies.

I personally lost over $500,000 in value on AAPL stock last year.

Posted by: SMOD at February 06, 2023 04:20 PM (RHGPo)

39 anyone see the 'south park' episode featuring mickey mouse and the jonas brothers? amazing that disney didn't sue them.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at February 06, 2023 04:20 PM (kFrCu)

40 37 TJM

The worse thing about the cruise ship is, there is no real Star Wars in it except a few costumed employees. The sets are more akin to Generic Science Fiction set #10351.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:19 PM (dCQ+C)

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I think we were talking about the Starcruiser, the hotel on the Disney Orlando property that's all Star Wars.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:20 PM (LvTSG)

41 33 I think they miscalculated how not woke we really are
Posted by: It's me donna at February 06, 2023 04:19 PM (bs+z0)

And they're very disappointed in us.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:21 PM (eYoxG)

42 This item on the website makes me laugh:

NOT looking to replace Bob Iger

FOR ensuring successful CEO succession within 2 years

No, no. We don't want to get rid of Bob. We just want him gone within 24 months.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:21 PM (t0OGg)

43 Too bad I sold my DIS off months ago when it was still a profit for me. I'd love to vote against those a-holes, although my 34 shares prob wouldn't make much difference.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:21 PM (UuD2k)

44 I think the Disney property tax assessment should be revisited. It's only right they pay their fair share.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 06, 2023 04:22 PM (D25PY)

45 38 And many of them have noticed that XXXX's share value has fallen by almost half the past year.

.. XXXX can be one of a hundred companies.

I personally lost over $500,000 in value on AAPL stock last year.
Posted by: SMOD at February 06, 2023 04:20 PM (RHGPo)

Disney isn't a tech company largely and Nasdaq is only down a third peak to trough. Not like Apple fell 50% either.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:22 PM (eYoxG)

46 I think they miscalculated how not woke we really are
Posted by: It's me donna at February 06, 2023 04:19 PM (bs+z0)

And they're very disappointed in us.

I shall attempt to pick up the shattered pieces of my life and soldier on.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:22 PM (eOEVl)

47 I hate to see the ROE after the first tax bill Disney gets from Florida.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:22 PM (dCQ+C)

48 I think they miscalculated how not woke we really are
Posted by: It's me donna at February 06, 2023 04:19 PM (bs+z0)
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Sort of. I think that's actually secondary. They miscalculated the addressable market for woke bullshit. Woke and non-woke alike don't really like the product they're putting out. The product is dog shit. The real problem with that is that the product *has* to be dog shit, because propaganda doesn't make for compelling content that people will willingly buy if given a choice not to.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:23 PM (t0OGg)

49 I hate to see the ROE after the first tax bill Disney gets from Florida.

Disney should bill DeSantis for campaign contributions.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:23 PM (eOEVl)

50 TJM

Let's simply agree the hotel sux dingo kidneys.

And are the rumors true that Luke Skywalker is now Bi?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:23 PM (dCQ+C)

51 Get woke, go broke.

Posted by: zombie Walt Disney at February 06, 2023 04:23 PM (mZBka)

52 39 anyone see the 'south park' episode featuring mickey mouse and the jonas brothers? amazing that disney didn't sue them.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at February 06, 2023 04:20 PM (kFrCu)

One of my kids saw the Jonas Brothers in concert within the past year. She insists they've actually turned out to be pretty good now that they're older.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at February 06, 2023 04:23 PM (BTgKJ)

53 48 Sort of. I think that's actually secondary. They miscalculated the addressable market for woke bullshit. Woke and non-woke alike don't really like the product they're putting out. The product is dog shit. The real problem with that is that the product *has* to be dog shit, because propaganda doesn't make for compelling content that people will willingly buy if given a choice not to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:23 PM (t0OGg)

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I think the bigger problem is their all-in on streaming.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:24 PM (LvTSG)

54 50 TJM

Let's simply agree the hotel sux dingo kidneys.

And are the rumors true that Luke Skywalker is now Bi?
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:23 PM (dCQ+C)

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I dunno. If that happened it happened in some comic book or something that I didn't know existed.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:24 PM (LvTSG)

55 And are the rumors true that Luke Skywalker is now Bi?
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:23 PM (dCQ+C)

And he drinks green alien titty milk.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:24 PM (UuD2k)

56 Like what happened at Twitter, Woke Disney probably rightly fears that any examination would show their massive incompetence at their jobs even beside their almost criminal moral goals.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:24 PM (eoQWY)

57 Yeah, Disney needs change. Let's focus on this.

Posted by: WB exec who greenlit Velma. at February 06, 2023 04:25 PM (yMapP)

58 My advisor suggested that I buy Disney stock last year.

I said no.

That was my vote.

Posted by: Kevin Canuck at February 06, 2023 04:25 PM (jSz/T)

59 Let's hope so. Burn Disney.

They've lost HALF their stock value and have lost Billions of dollars since going woke

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 06, 2023 04:25 PM (XvPQV)

60 They lost over a billion dollars last quarter on streaming alone. Their movies are not the money makers they thought they would be. Their reputation is in the toilet. Yeah, its time for a new set of leadership. They board voted Iger in to stop Chepek from cleaning house.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:25 PM (0hOvj)

61 I'm laughing right now, because on an investment website, some brilliant stock picker put DIS as one of the top stocks to own for 2022, because it was undervalued.

I posted back that he should dump the stock asap, as it was going to take a dive, and he poo-pooed the suggestion. He also didn't like my idea of instead buying Exxon at $75 - which is now at $111 a year later.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 06, 2023 04:25 PM (lTGtQ)

62 I think the bigger problem is their all-in on streaming.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:24 PM (LvTSG)
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That's a catastrophic operating error, and one that can be fixed if they can feed other venues like movie theaters. But all they have to feed into the pipeline - whether streaming or cinema or broadcast or cable or radio or whatever else - is more dreck that doesn't do well.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:25 PM (t0OGg)

63 Am I picking nits by pointing out its not a Gay Agenda Disney is pushing but a Demonic one.

Posted by: ... at February 06, 2023 04:25 PM (/Gp7M)

64 The state of Florida has their form of the EPA right?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 06, 2023 04:26 PM (D25PY)

65
"Trian has set up a "Restore the Magic" website"

'Restore the Magic' == 'Convince the rubes to start buying our overpriced branded crap again.'
Posted by: gp's Brunch Lid Post Ante

Sell coonskin caps.

Posted by: King of the wild frontier at February 06, 2023 04:26 PM (63Dwl)

66 My advisor suggested that I buy Disney stock last year.

Yeah you need a new advisor. This one is being influenced by companies pushing their stock rather than your best interests.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:26 PM (0hOvj)

67 I heard this morning that Peltz has hosted Trump fundraisers at his home.

OMG TRUMP FUNDRAISERS!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at February 06, 2023 04:26 PM (guGkK)

68 So would anyone in the Horde after winning tonight's Powerball jackpot invest any money into Disney stock?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:26 PM (dCQ+C)

69 I could probably enjoy listening to the Critical Drinker fellow read the phone book along with Paul Joseph Watson and I liked "That's all I got now. Go away!"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 06, 2023 04:26 PM (D+F6R)

70 Disney shareholders will vote on the boad of directors at the next annual meeting. The event is usually in early March but may be delayed a bit this year

Projected Winner: Stacey Abrams

Posted by: FOXNews at February 06, 2023 04:26 PM (786Ro)

71
For years, you have all profited enormously behind the rot you peddle day after day... but today, your personal financial gain is finally threatened by it.

We urge you all to consider our proposal before your naked moral degeneracy threatens all of our precious bottom lines.

Signed,

Posted by: Trian at February 06, 2023 04:27 PM (oINRc)

72 Jordan and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Michael Turner (R-OH) signed letters sent Monday to 12 of these ex-intelligence officials, including former CIA Director John Brennan and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.
The other recipients of letters on Monday were Rick Ledgett, John McLaughlin, Michael Morell, Nicholas Rasmussen, Russell Travers, Michael Vickers, Nick Shapiro, Jeremy Bash, Thomas Fingar, and Michael Hayden.

Posted by: SMOD at February 06, 2023 04:27 PM (RHGPo)

73 My advisor suggested that I buy Disney stock last year.

Yeah you need a new advisor. This one is being influenced by companies pushing their stock rather than your best interests.

My questions is always the same: if you're so good at picking stocks, why are you working for a living?

Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:27 PM (eOEVl)

74 They've lost HALF their stock value and have lost Billions of dollars since going woke
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 06, 2023 04:25 PM (XvPQV)
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Sort of. They went woke well before the stock collapse set in. The COVID response their pals in Washington imposed did a tremendous amount of damage to major profit centers, and that hit just about at the same time that woke shit stopped getting sales and at the same time that they sank the wealth of nations into a streaming platform that is hemorrhaging money. It's been a very, very bad few years for Disney and the woke shit is only a nasty part of the rotten whole.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:27 PM (t0OGg)

75 Projected Winner: Stacey Abrams

Talk about Deep Impact...

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:28 PM (dCQ+C)

76 "Sell coonskin caps."

There's a 1957 photo of me wearing the stupid fucking mouse ears.

Posted by: gp's Brunch Lid Post Ante at February 06, 2023 04:28 PM (24fqN)

77 Does Nelson Peltz have that funny Ha-Haaaaaaaaa laugh?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 06, 2023 04:28 PM (63Dwl)

78
Disney's other problem is corporate venture capital types trying to leverage known, familiar existing story lines while drying up their competition, which CD addresses.

The creative people are angry broken shitweasels who don't know what to do with the material they're handed.

Between the two they haven't figured out that the material they've bought is too dated to be fixed.

Posted by: Auspex at February 06, 2023 04:28 PM (j4U/Z)

79 62 That's a catastrophic operating error, and one that can be fixed if they can feed other venues like movie theaters. But all they have to feed into the pipeline - whether streaming or cinema or broadcast or cable or radio or whatever else - is more dreck that doesn't do well.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:25 PM (t0OGg)

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The stat I posted earlier, about Turning Red costing $175 million but only taking in $20 million while Disney+ is deep in the red is indicative of this.

They're putting wildly expensive stuff onto streaming exclusive. They're essentially putting at least $300-500 million worth of new content on Disney+ every month. If they do have 120 million subscribers, those have to be paying an average of at least $3 per subscription for them to just break even on new stuff, and I think the average is actually much lower, something like $1 (promos, other countries being cheaper).

And the operations heads are just saying, "When we get complete market penetration we'll be able to afford it."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:28 PM (LvTSG)

80 Zippidy doo dah
Zippidy yay
Mah oh mah
Wut a wunderful day!

Posted by: Uncle Remus at February 06, 2023 04:28 PM (JZLN3)

81 unrelated, mostly, there's a Bad Lip Reading of congresscritters. It's fairly funny.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 06, 2023 04:28 PM (XvPQV)

82 All the votes will be mail-in? Who's counting them?

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 06, 2023 04:28 PM (BdMk6)

83 I'm thinking Pinocchio needs a reboot where Mister Geppedo is forced into retirement and then he turns to grooming.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 06, 2023 04:29 PM (Jg7EG)

84 from the last dead thread, one more democrat president failure trial balloons, the Weissmann strategy:

"actually, it turns out that trump had many balloons that were only detected after his presidency when we used a Binger enhancement technique and reclassified civilian aircraft as Chinese spy vessels. We believe this shows a felony could've possibly been committed by ignoring the actual law and we're empaneling a special counsel and a grand jury in downtown Seattle composed of pink haired, top-surgery mentats."

Posted by: sockamster, Doctor at blogothopy at February 06, 2023 04:29 PM (MLrvz)

85 Sort of. I think that's actually secondary. They miscalculated the addressable market for woke bullshit. Woke and non-woke alike don't really like the product they're putting out. The product is dog shit. The real problem with that is that the product *has* to be dog shit, because propaganda doesn't make for compelling content that people will willingly buy if given a choice not to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:23 PM (t0OGg)

I'm sure they have miscalculated the streaming market for good stuff, and the film frequency tolerance for good films in a series too. Badly.

The demand for woke stuff is effectively zero, or in reality negative since it poisons your brand and reduces the want for any of it.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:29 PM (eoQWY)

86 69, well untill he reaches Tatyana in the phone book anyway. You might not enjoy that part so much...

Posted by: Bete at February 06, 2023 04:29 PM (yMapP)

87 The problem with this (maybe) is that like most Disney-sized companies, the largest shareholders are all investments groups (Vanguard, Blackrock, Morgan Stanley, T Rowe Price, etc.) Disney's top 10 shareholders own about 25% of the stock. So Trian will need to get at least some of those investors on board to pull it off.

Posted by: duke at February 06, 2023 04:29 PM (uyAU7)

88 Oh, yes, totally unrelated to Disney, but I wonder if the leftist crying woman in glasses and who is wearing the green coat had to do it all over, she would break into such hysterics about Hillary losing, because people make fun of that breakdown everywhere for lots of things.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 06, 2023 04:29 PM (D+F6R)

89 Balloon rides at the amusement parks!
A virtual "Top Gun" balloon shoot down!
Hooters style beer garden with sexy tinker bells for the dads! Mandingo jungle boat captains for the wine moms!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (knlFM)

90 Sort of. They went woke well before the stock collapse set in. The COVID response their pals in Washington imposed did a tremendous amount of damage to major profit centers, and that hit just about at the same time that woke shit stopped getting sales and at the same time that they sank the wealth of nations into a streaming platform that is hemorrhaging money. It's been a very, very bad few years for Disney and the woke shit is only a nasty part of the rotten whole.

It isn't just the woke, it's that they thought they could keep pumping out minor variations of the same old same old indefinitely. I think people are just tired of Star Wars and MCU. It might be time to consider doing something....creative.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (eOEVl)

91 And the operations heads are just saying, "When we get complete market penetration we'll be able to afford it."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:28 PM (LvTSG)

We lose money on every sale, but we make up for it in volume, volume, volume!

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (eoQWY)

92 73 My advisor suggested that I buy Disney stock last year.

Yeah you need a new advisor. This one is being influenced by companies pushing their stock rather than your best interests.

My questions is always the same: if you're so good at picking stocks, why are you working for a living?
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All true, but I don't have the time/aptitude, and in general he's better than me. But I draw the line at supporting companies that hate me. That's my ESG criterion.

Posted by: Kevin Canuck at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (jSz/T)

93 "I think people are just tired of Star Wars and MCU."

Thank you.

Posted by: gp's Brunch Lid Post Ante at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (24fqN)

94 83 I'm thinking Pinocchio needs a reboot where Mister Geppedo is forced into retirement and then he turns to grooming.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 06, 2023 04:29 PM (Jg7EG)

=========

There's another one. A movie that cost at least $200 million, using people like Robert Zemeckis and Tom Hanks, and they just dumped it on streaming.

They got nothing for it. Nothing at all. It's just burning it away, hoping to justify the cost based on what's already being spent.

However, the accounting question comes up. If a subscriber spends 150 hours in a month watching the Australian children's show Bluey and 1.5 hours watching Pinocchio, how much of that $8 subscription gets attributed to Bluey, and how much gets attributed to Pinocchio?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (LvTSG)

95 88 Oh, yes, totally unrelated to Disney, but I wonder if the leftist crying woman in glasses and who is wearing the green coat had to do it all over, she would break into such hysterics about Hillary losing, because people make fun of that breakdown everywhere for lots of things.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 06, 2023 04:29 PM (D+F6R)

For the longest time, I thought that was a dude.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (UuD2k)

96 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at February 06, 2023 04:26 PM (guGkK)

68 So would anyone in the Horde after winning tonight's Powerball jackpot invest any money into Disney stock?
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:26 PM (dCQ+C)

Their last good earnings year was 2019. Massive p/e ratio, trading well above book value, ROE and ROA are both garbage. What's going to magically make them start earning tons of money?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (eYoxG)

97 Honestly I think streaming is a huge mistake. Not the concept, but the way they are trying to do it. They are not monetizing at all beyond subscription, and the content is not sufficient to interest people long term, plus bandwidth is expensive and they aren't clearing enough to make a sufficient margin to keep doing this.

In the end, I think there's gonna be like 3-4 streaming services, and they're all gonna run ads.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (0hOvj)

98 right, the woketard business strategy is to make gheyshit for American kids and rely on the China market to eat the costs.

Posted by: sockamster, Doctor at blogothopy at February 06, 2023 04:31 PM (MLrvz)

99 "...threaten the strategic management of Disney during a period of important change in the media landscape,"

Corporate gobbeldy-gook.
Amusing in a "haven't we heard this kind of stuff from corporations for the last 40 years" kind of way.

Posted by: Flyover at February 06, 2023 04:31 PM (Rbu5d)

100 queue the meme:

goofy saying "and I'll fucking do it again"

Posted by: micky at February 06, 2023 04:31 PM (3byMq)

101 Speaking of goofy, what in the fresh hades was Jill Biden wearing last night at the Grammies? It’s like all of our foil hats turned into a dress.

Posted by: Piper at February 06, 2023 04:31 PM (ZdaMQ)

102 The real problem with that is that the product *has* to be dog shit, because propaganda doesn't make for compelling content that people will willingly buy if given a choice not to.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:23 PM (t0OGg)

I see you've revisited entertainment product from the 1930s and 1940s paid for with the WPA act...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:32 PM (exHjb)

103 Disney is shrieking, "Ignore those profit-focused men who want to increase shareholder value! Stick with us and continue losing money but gaining Young Recruits to LGBT2IA!"

I think, just a thought, but I believe that they think there's a much bigger audience for this stuff than there actually is. We know for sure that they think folks like us make up a small town in Kansas so we can be safely ignored. The bubble is very real.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:32 PM (0hOvj)

104
However, the accounting question comes up. If a subscriber spends 150 hours in a month watching the Australian children's show Bluey and 1.5 hours watching Pinocchio, how much of that $8 subscription gets attributed to Bluey, and how much gets attributed to Pinocchio?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (LvTSG)

It really does depend on their internal accounting system. Cost-based accounting would do it on hours of use, more conventional accounting might do it by # of shows (so 2 shows gets you half, if they offer 100 shows 1% for each).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:32 PM (eYoxG)

105 Wait a minute

Someone watched the Grammy Awards?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:32 PM (dCQ+C)

106 101 Speaking of goofy, what in the fresh hades was Jill Biden wearing last night at the Grammies? It’s like all of our foil hats turned into a dress.
Posted by: Piper at February 06, 2023 04:31 PM (ZdaMQ)

I heard on the radio that people we saying she looked like leftovers.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:32 PM (UuD2k)

107 101 Speaking of goofy, what in the fresh hades was Jill Biden wearing last night at the Grammies? It’s like all of our foil hats turned into a dress.
Posted by: Piper at February 06, 2023 04:31 PM (ZdaMQ)

Question is what was Jill Biden doing at the Grammy's at all ?

Posted by: It's me donna at February 06, 2023 04:32 PM (bs+z0)

108 97 Honestly I think streaming is a huge mistake. Not the concept, but the way they are trying to do it. They are not monetizing at all beyond subscription, and the content is not sufficient to interest people long term, plus bandwidth is expensive and they aren't clearing enough to make a sufficient margin to keep doing this.

In the end, I think there's gonna be like 3-4 streaming services, and they're all gonna run ads.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (0hOvj)

==========

They tried to monetize it further early in the COVID pandemic with Mulan. They charged people $20 for a rental, and they made $260 million in a week. They didn't need to split that with theaters either. That was straight revenue to them. I think they tried it again with Black Widow, but they never did it again.

They really did everything they could to kill theaters and make streaming THE option for new rollercoaster entertainments. It failed. That's why they released every other Marvel movie to theaters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:32 PM (LvTSG)

109 have they pointed out their customers are bigots yet?

Posted by: sockamster, Doctor at blogothopy at February 06, 2023 04:32 PM (MLrvz)

110 One out of 12 on the board. What really could he do?

Posted by: Flyover at February 06, 2023 04:33 PM (Rbu5d)

111 101 Speaking of goofy, what in the fresh hades was Jill Biden wearing last night at the Grammies? It’s like all of our foil hats turned into a dress.
Posted by: Piper at February 06, 2023 04:31 PM (ZdaMQ)

Now I know why the audience for the Grammies cratered last night...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:33 PM (exHjb)

112 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 06, 2023 04:29 PM (D+F6R)

For the longest time, I thought that was a dude.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (UuD2k)

Yup. I was almost certain it was Patton Oswalt.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wanting to Hang Out with Tom Bombadil at February 06, 2023 04:33 PM (xPJvm)

113 It isn't just the woke, it's that they thought they could keep pumping out minor variations of the same old same old indefinitely. I think people are just tired of Star Wars and MCU. It might be time to consider doing something....creative.
Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (eOEVl)

It is clear that with certain rare exceptions that may not be repeated often, the entertainment industry is unable to even pump out variations of old stuff reliably. People weren't that tired of retread shows in SW or MCU until the wokeness started coming in with it.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:33 PM (eoQWY)

114 Huh, in Trian's presentation deck, there are these three quotes from other companies he went after during the proxy fights (before he won, designed to remove support for Trian) :

“The company is at a key inflection point and we cannot afford to let the Board and management be diverted from our progress and plan by creating a dysfunctional and destabilizing environment.”

“Trian has chosen this path [a proxy contest] with the potential to disrupt our Company at a key stage of execution against our plan”

... continue building a better Company without adding Mr. Peltz to the Board...Now is the time to focus on accelerating results, and prevent anything from derailing the work that is delivering improvement.”

Compare that to the message from Disney in the blockquote above. It's essentially the same. All of these statements are interchangeable if you just adjust company names. Do these people all hire the same firms to draft these?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:33 PM (t0OGg)

115 It's a small world.

Posted by: Eromero at February 06, 2023 04:33 PM (MF3yS)

116 39 anyone see the 'south park' episode featuring mickey mouse and the jonas brothers? amazing that disney didn't sue them.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at February 06, 2023 04:20 PM (kFrCu)

The one where Mickey and Randy Marsh go to China is a good one too.

Posted by: Call sign Charlie at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (og5mY)

117 104 It really does depend on their internal accounting system. Cost-based accounting would do it on hours of use, more conventional accounting might do it by # of shows (so 2 shows gets you half, if they offer 100 shows 1% for each).
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:32 PM (eYoxG)

==========

It also depends on what they track at all.

I think the most commonly used metric that people report on now is something about percentage of a show actually watched, and then total minutes watched across the entire platform.

I'd be surprised if something like Bluey wasn't regularly #2 or something.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (LvTSG)

118 What was it I said last night?

Jill Biden still thinks she is in her twenties and is hot to trot.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (dCQ+C)

119 However, the accounting question comes up. If a subscriber spends 150 hours in a month watching the Australian children's show Bluey and 1.5 hours watching Pinocchio, how much of that $8 subscription gets attributed to Bluey, and how much gets attributed to Pinocchio?

I'll tell you this: investors are not being told, if Disney even knows. Its the same across the board with all streaming services. They're bending if not breaking FCC rules with how little info they put out about their streaming. How much money did Captain Kazoo make, on streaming, or do you even know?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (0hOvj)

120 @101 Piper

and an off one shoulder effect to boot.

Politics is hollywood for ugly people
-- THE Rush Limbaugh

Posted by: micky at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (3byMq)

121 Speaking of goofy, what in the fresh hades was Jill Biden wearing last night at the Grammies? It’s like all of our foil hats turned into a dress.

She really thinks she's a fashion icon, and she is, but for 1970s Albania.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (eOEVl)

122 Speaking of goofy, what in the fresh hades was Jill Biden wearing last night at the Grammies? It’s like all of our foil hats turned into a dress.
Posted by: Piper at February 06, 2023 04:31 PM (ZdaMQ)

WTF was she doing at the Grammys?

Posted by: Jordan61 at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (DRSnL)

123 I did see a picture of the first whore wearing a Jiffy Pop package, that must have been the grammys?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (lTGtQ)

124 I got Disney+ for free with my renewed Verizon phone plan. I watched the Mandalorian. Everything else was crap. I tried to watch 'Andor' and kept thinking, "Is there a story here? Because I'm not seeing it."

Posted by: Halfhand at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (vJSFc)

125 Self-correction, that's supposed to be Activity Based accounting, not cost-based.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (eYoxG)

126 Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly, undeterred by the SCOTUS Dobbs decision, is claiming the 13th amendment (barring slavery) guarantees a Federal right to abortion.

But there are no "Democrat judges or Republican judges".

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (VIX/L)

127 Jill Biden still thinks she is in her twenties and is hot to trot.

I wonder what color loofa she will be sporting during her visit to The Villages?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (D25PY)

128 If it is 1 of eleven, what does it matter?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (R8uWY)

129 Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (UuD2k)

I think it's a woman. I don't think even actual men who voted for Hillary would act like their entire family had been killed by dragons because Hillary had lost.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (D+F6R)

130 I would like to think that Professor Tosspot, in some small ways, contributed in this crash of Disney stock value.

Recap of the Disney Star Wars movies. About 75 minutes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DGxfiHjwahY

Posted by: Beartooth at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (N52dd)

131 118 What was it I said last night?

Jill Biden still thinks she is in her twenties and is hot to trot.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (dCQ+C)

She remembers rich men chasing her and that feeling will never leave her. She lacks introspection and humility.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (XvPQV)

132 110 One out of 12 on the board. What really could he do?

.. most of these board member are there to fill a seat, so a board member who actually wants the company to prosper can do a lot.

Posted by: SMOD at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (RHGPo)

133 Jill dear

Bjork did it better so stop being an Amy Schumer.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (dCQ+C)

134 118 What was it I said last night?

Jill Biden still thinks she is in her twenties and is hot to trot.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (dCQ+C)

See, you made me Google the dress - she looks stuffed into a wrinkled aluminum hot dog wrap, and able to move her upper body about as well as the hot dog in the bun...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:36 PM (exHjb)

135 29 I wish they would do a 180. This world needs good, wholesome movie content where a rainbow can be something cool in the sky and nothing more.
Posted by: Piper at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (ZdaMQ)

That ark has sailed, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Flyover at February 06, 2023 04:36 PM (Rbu5d)

136 n the end, I think there's gonna be like 3-4 streaming services, and they're all gonna run ads.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:30 PM (0hOvj)

The streaming service should hardly matter, any more than the brand of television set you have does. A sub fee has to be so nominal that the bulk of the pop can pay it without noticing much like basic cable. This can't support the bloated admins of dozens of media giants.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:36 PM (eoQWY)

137 Surprised ACE hasn't done a post on the Proud Family yet.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at February 06, 2023 04:36 PM (R8uWY)

138 OT but funny

U.S. Shoots Down Spy Balloon As It Was Getting Too Close To Ukraine

Posted by: Cheka FBI KGB Stasi at February 06, 2023 04:36 PM (Fj8Gx)

139 I wonder what color loofa she will be sporting during her visit to The Villages?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (D25PY)

All of them.

Posted by: Jordan61 at February 06, 2023 04:36 PM (DRSnL)

140 Disney sucks monkey balls and I am glad the sodomites have ruined them.

They deserve each other.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 06, 2023 04:36 PM (EIIsz)

141 29 I wish they would do a 180. This world needs good, wholesome movie content where a rainbow can be something cool in the sky and nothing more.
Posted by: Piper at February 06, 2023 04:17 PM (ZdaMQ)

That ark has sailed, I'm afraid.
Posted by: Flyover at February 06, 2023 04:36 PM (Rbu5d)

You'll have to find content like that from private individuals going forward. Nobody hiring college educated writers, editors, or administrators will be a party to that anymore.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:37 PM (eoQWY)

142 I think the bigger problem is their all-in on streaming.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:24 PM (LvTSG)

My personal rube's take: Putting Disney's future all into Disney+ will kill the Mouse.

a. Disney now must crap out an endless stream of content that is so mediocre that it damages Disney's once-valuable IPs;

b. Disney will never get a positive return on Disney+ because the landscape is littered with more or less equivalent streaming services that all compete for the same buck, ensuring that the ROE on the Disney crap content pipeline will be negative;

c. Disney has destroyed its ability to produce a cinematic blockbuster because even if it manages to put out a worthwhile film now and again, a large portion of its audience will just wait a few weeks to stream it at home;

d. The prices as the parks, which are Disney's only remaining cash cows, are going through the stratosphere while not enough of the revenue is being returned to maintain and update them. Even Disney's hardcore fan base (who are mostly lunatics, by the way) are getting pissed and turning away.

Die Disney die!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at February 06, 2023 04:37 PM (guGkK)

143 118 What was it I said last night?

Jill Biden still thinks she is in her twenties and is hot to trot.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:34 PM (dCQ+C)

I'd feel that way too if I hung out with Joe every day.

Posted by: Kevin Canuck at February 06, 2023 04:37 PM (jSz/T)

144 Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:36 PM (exHjb)

I'll have to go find a picture because the description made me laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 06, 2023 04:37 PM (D+F6R)

145 Buy them in bankruptcy.
Cheaper

Posted by: torabora at February 06, 2023 04:38 PM (FDUIz)

146 "I think it's a woman."

By now, six years later, it's been thru at least two transition-detransition cycles. It's a moving target.

Posted by: gp's Brunch Lid Post Ante at February 06, 2023 04:38 PM (24fqN)

147 I can't remember... is it one vote per shareholder regardless of the number of shares they own?

I think that's the way it works. Thus, in order to "win" Peltz would need a significant (majority?) of shareholders to either vote for him or give their vote to Trian (via proxy.)

Whatever the case it's probably more honest than the national elections.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 06, 2023 04:38 PM (Q4IgG)

148 So you saying Jill is ready for a reboot of Sausage Party? Maybe Jane Fonda will star in it also.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:38 PM (dCQ+C)

149 Jill Biden looked like Jiffy Pop

Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 06, 2023 04:39 PM (w0NJk)

150 137 Surprised ACE hasn't done a post on the Proud Family yet.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at February 06, 2023 04:36 PM (R8uWY)

Well it IS Black History month

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 06, 2023 04:39 PM (XvPQV)

151 Buy them in bankruptcy.
Cheaper

Like car companies, Democrats will never let Disney go belly up. They'll bail them out with your money.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:39 PM (eOEVl)

152 And the operations heads are just saying, "When we get complete market penetration we'll be able to afford it."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:28 PM (LvTSG)
++++
That depends on a poor assumption. This isn't an unheard of approach: loss lead with a new product in an existing market space, get a foothold, iterate and improve, start ratcheting up the price in the next version. This is essentially the playbook Microsoft ran with the Xbox. The Xbox division lost money on the entire first-generation product, because they were buying market share instead of turning a profit. They got their market share and built the network and got developer support and moved a ton of units, and were able to start making money in gen 2.

The problem with this in streaming is that both the entry *and* exit costs for the consumer are nil. They can - and do - move at will and there is plenty of competition. The customers are free agents. You can't loss-lead to grow the market and then dominate later on higher prices because your customers will just leave. The only way to do it is if there is an oligopoly of 2-4 players who all have equivalent prices.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:39 PM (t0OGg)

153 118. And say Jill is hot to trot. As in the Bobcat Goldthwait/John Candy Mr.Ed film way.

Posted by: Bete at February 06, 2023 04:39 PM (yMapP)

154 ROI, not ROE

Shoot.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at February 06, 2023 04:39 PM (guGkK)

155 I used to buy Mickey and Minnie mouse stuff for the grandkids but no longer. It is really disappointing. I saw a few posts about the newest woke mess and just skipped right over. Who actually watches that stuff? I can't believe even suburban wine moms show that drivel.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 06, 2023 04:39 PM (Y+l9t)

156 Let's say 600 people pay 10 bucks a month to Paramount+ streaming. Paramout+ puts out an adaptation of The Sackett saga by Louis L'Amour.

How much money did the saga make? The same as all The Love Guru and Crocodile Dundee in Los Angeles. Because those people already paid for everything already on the channel. It doesn't even matter how many hours of something they watched, they already paid. Paramount+ makes the same money if a person watches 1 hour or 500 hours.

The only way it can be presumed a show made more money is if a lot more new customers tune in and watch only Sackett shows. If that doesn't happen, there was no increased earning, which is the basic flaw of streaming services. Unless they start charging by the hour, say 25 cents an hour or something.

The average household during the Wuhan Flu panic watched 8 hours a day, so that could add up (its probably half that or less now, of course). But a flat fee? Its not viable, no matter how much customers prefer it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:40 PM (0hOvj)

157 Was Jiffy Pop Corn Pop's main squeeze which is why Joey popped him?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:40 PM (dCQ+C)

158 Wonder how the coffers at the newly same RNC are going lately. Shit in one and wish in another...

Posted by: micky at February 06, 2023 04:40 PM (3byMq)

159 I think, just a thought, but I believe that they think there's a much bigger audience for this stuff than there actually is. We know for sure that they think folks like us make up a small town in Kansas so we can be safely ignored. The bubble is very real.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:32 PM (0hOvj)

The lyrics for "When you wish upon a Star" are not a good business plan, even for Disney.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:40 PM (eoQWY)

160 BUT ALL AMERICA WAS BUILT BY SLAVES!

BOSTON, NEW YORK, PHILADELPHIA - ALL BUILT BY SLAVES!

HOW DARE YOU MAKE US DENY THIS FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH!

Posted by: DISNEY! at February 06, 2023 04:40 PM (2tUFv)

161 147 I can't remember... is it one vote per shareholder regardless of the number of shares they own?

I think that's the way it works. Thus, in order to "win" Peltz would need a significant (majority?) of shareholders to either vote for him or give their vote to Trian (via proxy.)

Whatever the case it's probably more honest than the national elections.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 06, 2023 04:38 PM (Q4IgG)

No, each share = 1 vote normally. There can be special classes of shares with no votes or more votes though.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:40 PM (eYoxG)

162
The LGBTQBFD types won't be happy until they have Gepeto raping Pinnochio, Mickey screwing Goofy, and Daisy & Minnie going down on eachother on the big screen.

Posted by: Snoop Doggy- Biden at February 06, 2023 04:40 PM (+oR7L)

163 When are we going to get a showing from Mitch and his posse to harumph about current events?

Posted by: micky at February 06, 2023 04:41 PM (3byMq)

164 Wonder how the coffers at the newly same RNC are going lately. Shit in one and wish in another...

Not to worry. We've got this.

Posted by: Big money GOPe donors at February 06, 2023 04:41 PM (eOEVl)

165 Please... never forget your commitment to degeneracy.

Just temper it for now, in the name of our almighty God, Mammon. It's for our greater good.

Posted by: Trian at February 06, 2023 04:41 PM (oINRc)

166 In the "I watch, so you don't have to", I did use my D+ subscription to finish last year's Marvel movies - Strange, Thor, Wakanda.

TL/DR - Nothing happens in Phase 4, all movies can be skipped. I'm betting Ant Man will join that group, but not sure I can convince the son to not pick that movie as his "February theater" movie choice (this year, I was smart enough to split a Cinemark sub with him, so he only gets 6 choices, not 12)...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:41 PM (exHjb)

167 I saw a photo essay of Grammy dresses, only looked because the first one looked so ridiculous. It was a cavalcade of regretful clothing. Absolutely ludicrous and often ugly stuff. Like the crap fashion designers trot out on the runway but nobody actually wears.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:41 PM (0hOvj)

168 What is this "Brady at 80" dealio about?

It's getting a big push, but looks lame as hell and stars the mummified remains of Jane Fonda and some other once famous zombies.

What's the plot or the hook or anything?

I'd look it up myself but I can't afford to lose any more brain cells.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 06, 2023 04:42 PM (KLPy8)

169 Harry Whittington is mort. Dick Cheney always gets his man.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 06, 2023 04:42 PM (VIX/L)

170 I would like to think that Professor Tosspot, in some small ways, contributed in this crash of Disney stock value.

Recap of the Disney Star Wars movies. About 75 minutes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DGxfiHjwahY
Posted by: Beartooth at February 06, 2023 04:35 PM (N52dd)

I love Tosspot. I wish he could put out more videos.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 06, 2023 04:42 PM (XvPQV)

171 167 I saw a photo essay of Grammy dresses, only looked because the first one looked so ridiculous. It was a cavalcade of regretful clothing. Absolutely ludicrous and often ugly stuff. Like the crap fashion designers trot out on the runway but nobody actually wears.

it was pretty much hilarious

the Emperor's New Clothes writ large, especially in the case of Lizzo, who was dressed as a blood clot.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 06, 2023 04:43 PM (w0NJk)

172 Lizzo on stage?

Was anyone else?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:43 PM (dCQ+C)

173 Let's put it this way. The sequels were so awful that people have nostalgia for the prequels, which were awful.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:43 PM (0hOvj)

174 What is this "Brady at 80" dealio about?

I'd look it up myself but I can't afford to lose any more brain cells.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 06, 2023 04:42 PM (KLPy

Tom Brady is old, but not *that* old.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:44 PM (eoQWY)

175 I wonder if Dr. Jill is trying to get Hunter interested in her again?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 06, 2023 04:44 PM (D25PY)

176 The LGBTQBFD types won't be happy until they have Gepeto raping Pinnochio, Mickey screwing Goofy, and Daisy & Minnie going down on eachother on the big screen.

Posted by: Snoop Doggy- Biden at February 06, 2023 04:40 PM (+oR7L)

And yet, it still won't make them happy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:44 PM (zZu0s)

177 I used to buy Mickey and Minnie mouse stuff for the grandkids but no longer. It is really disappointing. I saw a few posts about the newest woke mess and just skipped right over. Who actually watches that stuff? I can't believe even suburban wine moms show that drivel.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 06, 2023 04:39 PM (Y+l9t)
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Yes. I don't even buy Pooh Bears any more. I'm reduced to Piglet.

Posted by: Chairman Xi at February 06, 2023 04:44 PM (VIX/L)

178 168 What is this "Brady at 80" dealio about?

It's getting a big push, but looks lame as hell and stars the mummified remains of Jane Fonda and some other once famous zombies.

What's the plot or the hook or anything?

I'd look it up myself but I can't afford to lose any more brain cells.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 06, 2023 04:42 PM (KLPy

Semi-true story about 4 older women trying to go to a Super Bowl to see Brady play. It had matinee all day or $8 ticket pricing. I can't tell you if it's woke or not b/c I haven't watched it, and probably won't...probably...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:44 PM (exHjb)

179 175 I wonder if Dr. Jill is trying to get Hunter interested in her again?

oh good point! she did look like a crack pipe, the homemade kind

Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 06, 2023 04:44 PM (w0NJk)

180 What is this "Brady at 80" dealio about?

Search the cast. There's a whole lot of unnaturally sharp cheekbones and tautly stretched faces there.

Sally Field, Rita Moreno, Lily Tomlin, and Harry Hamlin, in addition to Hanoi Jane.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:44 PM (eOEVl)

181 One of the kiddos watched the Wankanda thing and their sole comment when asked how it was was-

"Meh."

Another lame Marvel movie.

I'm guessing Antman is a bit player in his own movie as well.

That seems to be the pattern, unless you're dead (see Wankanda)

Posted by: naturalfake at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (KLPy8)

182 What is this "Brady at 80" dealio about?

It's getting a big push, but looks lame as hell and stars the mummified remains of Jane Fonda and some other once famous zombies.

What's the plot or the hook or anything?

I'd look it up myself but I can't afford to lose any more brain cells.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 06, 2023 04:42 PM (KLPy8 )

Mom went and saw it on Saturday with her friend. Apparently about the four old broads taking a road trip to the 2017 Superb Owl.

Posted by: Jordan61 at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (DRSnL)

183 One of my favorite Sergio Aragones comics featured a sad Gepeto carving Pinocchio. Second panel has a happy Gepeto seeing Pinocchio as a living being. third panel has Gepeto frantically carving a buxom woman figure while Pinocchio stands nearby looking perplexed.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wanting to Hang Out with Tom Bombadil at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (xPJvm)

184 167 I saw a photo essay of Grammy dresses, only looked because the first one looked so ridiculous. It was a cavalcade of regretful clothing. Absolutely ludicrous and often ugly stuff. Like the crap fashion designers trot out on the runway but nobody actually wears.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:41 PM (0hOvj)

I read that as "granny dresses." It didn't really change the point of your statement, oddly enough!

Posted by: Moki at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (JrN/x)

185 Nap over

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (xhxe8)

186 When will they release Song of the South on DVD?

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (FLiOE)

187 166 Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:41 PM (exHjb)

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I watched 3 of them (through the library) because they were on super sale on Black Friday and I was tempted but not tempted enough to blind buy. Spider-Man, Strange, and Thor.

Strange is the only one I'd be tempted to buy because Sam Raimi with a budget is somewhat interesting, even if the movie isn't actually very good.

But yeah, Phase 4, designed before covid hit, was a bust. I think Disney largely broke even on the whole enterprise, but it's obvious that the luster is off the whole enterprise. Kang being the new big bad seems so half-hearted at this point, and it's so odd that Phase 4 just...stops. Without an Avengers movie to cap it like every other phase.

It really does feel like some kind of transition period, but the path on the transition is really wonky and ill-planned, which is such an odd thing to say about the MCU since it seemed so well planned for so long. Maybe...just maybe...Kevin Feige is actually a creatively bankrupt producer who got luckier than any other producer since Louis B. Mayer.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (LvTSG)

188 VII, VIII, and IX I think turned into a multi-million dare of people like Abrams and Rian trying to put the next guy into a writing corner because of their egos.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (dCQ+C)

189 Lizzo on stage?

Was anyone else?
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:43 PM (dCQ+C)
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There might have been a weight limit

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (VIX/L)

190 174 What is this "Brady at 80" dealio about?

I'd look it up myself but I can't afford to lose any more brain cells.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 06, 2023 04:42 PM (KLPy

Tom Brady is old, but not *that* old.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:44 PM (eoQWY)

80 year old women who are super Brady fans.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (eYoxG)

191 Daisy & Minnie going down on eachother on the big screen.

That gets top billing.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (y/a4v)

192 The stat I posted earlier, about Turning Red costing $175 million but only taking in $20 million while Disney+ is deep in the red is indicative of this.

That shows the extent to which Pixar (and all of Disney animation) needed John Lasseter. They were doing great on both sides for a minute there, but The Future Is Female so he had to go.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (ZGrMX)

193 There's a whole lot of unnaturally sharp cheekbones and tautly stretched faces there.

There are...

Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (eOEVl)

194 And yet, it still won't make them happy.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:44 PM (zZu0s)

More tragically for them, it won't make us *unhappy*. They can only destroy themselves by doing it. The originals remain the same.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (eoQWY)

195 it was pretty much hilarious

the Emperor's New Clothes writ large, especially in the case of Lizzo, who was dressed as a blood clot.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 06, 2023 04:43 PM (w0NJk)

I do give her designer credit though - he's figured out how to dress her to deemphasize her size by making phtographers stand way the heck back to get her whole dress with trains in shots...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (exHjb)

196 173 Let's put it this way. The sequels were so awful that people have nostalgia for the prequels, which were awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:43 PM (0hOvj)

Duel of the Fates was very solid. Great even. That saber battle was pretty good.

Hmmm.

Natalie Portman in the midriff cutoff was acceptable.

The fight on Mustafar was... over the top. I get everyone loves it, but it was kind of overdone crap.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (zZu0s)

197 Yes; That was an ugly dress Jill Biden wore to the Grammys, but of course (leftist) people gushed over it. I tend to think that most women over a certain age shouldn't wear off the shoulder things. I don't understand why people such as Michelle Obama and Jill Biden who have that much money can't get people to get them clothing that is flattering and appropriate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (D+F6R)

198 Some Satanic skit dance at Grammies last night

Posted by: Skip at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (xhxe8)

199 When will they release Song of the South on DVD?
Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (FLiOE)

I have one. But it's a bootleg, I am pretty sure.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wanting to Hang Out with Tom Bombadil at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (xPJvm)

200 Mom went and saw it on Saturday with her friend. Apparently about the four old broads taking a road trip to the 2017 Superb Owl.

oh!!! that was a great ending to that Super Bowl! brady was so CLASSY

Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (w0NJk)

201 I'm guessing Antman is a bit player in his own movie as well.

Well remember how in the second movie he was a fumbling idiot who was the sidekick to two other women? Its all different now, because its THREE women he's the sidekick to, and probably four including his daughter.

But don't worry, he'll still be a bumbling jackass.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (0hOvj)

202 193 "There's a whole lot of unnaturally sharp cheekbones and tautly stretched faces there."

There are...
Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (eOEVl)

Lizard people.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (eYoxG)

203 the lgbtqrwrqueerwierdo movement is infiltrated and run by demons who want nothing more than to destroy normal, Christian, and God loving people and the Church. It’s pretty apparent if you watch any of these folks screaming and completely out of control when they’re even slightly challenged.

Posted by: LASue at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (Ed8Zd)

204 192 The stat I posted earlier, about Turning Red costing $175 million but only taking in $20 million while Disney+ is deep in the red is indicative of this.

That shows the extent to which Pixar (and all of Disney animation) needed John Lasseter. They were doing great on both sides for a minute there, but The Future Is Female so he had to go.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (ZGrMX)

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I'm sure that a full dedication to a theatrical showing would have made a fair bit more money. Maybe just Good Dinosaur money and not Toy Story 3 money, but still, money. The problem was the dedication to streaming.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (LvTSG)

205 That shows the extent to which Pixar (and all of Disney animation) needed John Lasseter. They were doing great on both sides for a minute there, but The Future Is Female so he had to go.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (ZGrMX)
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It turned out that Pixar was just a technically skilled shop without Lasseter to provide story and strategic direction.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:47 PM (t0OGg)

206 More tragically for them, it won't make us *unhappy*. They can only destroy themselves by doing it. The originals remain the same.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (eoQWY)

This. I just wish I had a hard copy of the unmolested OT on a format I can actually play them on.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:47 PM (zZu0s)

207 Apparently the Disney rule for movies is

1 klutz guy gets outshone by two womyn.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:47 PM (dCQ+C)

208 Mom went and saw it on Saturday with her friend. Apparently about the four old broads taking a road trip to the 2017 Superb Owl.
Posted by: Jordan61 at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (DRSnL)

unless they drive off a cliff at the end, there's no way you are getting guys to watch that.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:47 PM (eoQWY)

209 162 - I saw an underground magazine cover back in the mid 60's depicting all the characters having sex, I think it was the East Village Other ... I also think there was a bit of legal bother ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at February 06, 2023 04:47 PM (XzIdt)

210 196 173 Let's put it this way. The sequels were so awful that people have nostalgia for the prequels, which were awful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:43 PM (0hOvj)

Duel of the Fates was very solid. Great even. That saber battle was pretty good.

Hmmm.

Natalie Portman in the midriff cutoff was acceptable.

The fight on Mustafar was... over the top. I get everyone loves it, but it was kind of overdone crap.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (zZu0s)

Real main issue of the prequels was Anakin. Coulda been the dialogue, coulda been the actor, coulda been both.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:47 PM (eYoxG)

211 Duel of the Fates was very solid. Great even. That saber battle was pretty good.

Only high point in the entire three movies was Darth Maul vs two jedi. Yeah the saber staff is idiotic and even more suicidal than a normal light saber but it was really well done.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:48 PM (0hOvj)

212 There's just too many choices for what not to watch, ever. I don't know how to decide.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 06, 2023 04:48 PM (9qSw/)

213 Did anyone see photo's of Madonna's face from last night?

Breathtaking.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 06, 2023 04:48 PM (D25PY)

214 Not so sure about that. It's nice to be laying by your girlfriend while watching Old Yeller, and when she starts feeling sad, I put down the beer, roll over and boink her.

Can't do that in a theater.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 06, 2023 04:48 PM (BdMk6)

215 205 It turned out that Pixar was just a technically skilled shop without Lasseter to provide story and strategic direction.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:47 PM (t0OGg)

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But Pete Doctor...He did Monsters University and Up...he became Creative Director after Lasseter left...

He should have been able to lead it.

My guess is that he's a terrible administrator who can't control his people and the wokesters at the lower levels walked all over him with threats of accusations of "-isms".

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:48 PM (LvTSG)

216 192 The stat I posted earlier, about Turning Red costing $175 million but only taking in $20 million while Disney+ is deep in the red is indicative of this.

That shows the extent to which Pixar (and all of Disney animation) needed John Lasseter. They were doing great on both sides for a minute there, but The Future Is Female so he had to go.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (ZGrMX)

My kids love that movie (though they're too young to understand it). But, that thing had limited appeal no matter what. Given that it was a movie about an Asian family, maybe they assumed it'd make it all back through global receipts but I can't for the life of me imagine anyone thought it had blockbuster appeal.

More like Blockbuster appeal, amirite?!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 06, 2023 04:49 PM (KbCG3)

217 187 Did you hate Thor as much as I did?

Posted by: Bete at February 06, 2023 04:49 PM (yMapP)

218 Lizard people?

V reboot?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:49 PM (dCQ+C)

219 80 year old women who are super Brady fans.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (eYoxG)

This sounds like an old 'slice of life' piece on a 11pm news cast. 'Meet the little old ladies who love Tom Brady- sexually.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:49 PM (zZu0s)

220 But yeah, Phase 4, designed before covid hit, was a bust. I think Disney largely broke even on the whole enterprise, but it's obvious that the luster is off the whole enterprise. Kang being the new big bad seems so half-hearted at this point, and it's so odd that Phase 4 just...stops. Without an Avengers movie to cap it like every other phase.

It really does feel like some kind of transition period, but the path on the transition is really wonky and ill-planned, which is such an odd thing to say about the MCU since it seemed so well planned for so long. Maybe...just maybe...Kevin Feige is actually a creatively bankrupt producer who got luckier than any other producer since Louis B. Mayer.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:45 PM (LvTSG)

Phase 4 was a journey to nowhere b/c no one knew where to go in the woke era. I think they stumbled onto Kang (kicking out the Avengers movies now to 2025/2026 b/c he was probably not the original plan) b/c they had nothing else...they just seemed to want to spend the movies spinning wheels and emoting without going anywhere.

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:49 PM (exHjb)

221 Trying to win over the shareholders, Peltz -- who is worth $1.4billion and currently owns 0.5 percent of Disney through his firm Trian Partners -- writes that 'earnings per share have declined an astounding 50 percent since 2019 because costs have ballooned, even as Disney generated 41 percent more in revenue.'

How? Streaming during the lockdowns?

This will post well???

Posted by: golfman at February 06, 2023 04:49 PM (BLVc0)

222 I don't understand why people such as Michelle Obama and Jill Biden who have that much money can't get people to get them clothing that is flattering and appropriate.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 06, 2023 04:46 PM (D+F6R)

You might come up with a theory if you think about how those sort treat their underlings and subordinates.

I imagine every drink they get has been spat in and every machine of theirs has sand in the gears.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:49 PM (eoQWY)

223 But Pete Doctor...He did Monsters University and Up...he became Creative Director after Lasseter left...

He should have been able to lead it.

My guess is that he's a terrible administrator who can't control his people and the wokesters at the lower levels walked all over him with threats of accusations of "-isms".
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:48 PM (LvTSG)
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He's either a poor executive leader in general, or he capitulated to either the internal wokists or the corporate ones at the head office at Disney.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at February 06, 2023 04:50 PM (t0OGg)

224 And it did. Wow.

Posted by: golfman at February 06, 2023 04:50 PM (BLVc0)

225 217 187 Did you hate Thor as much as I did?
Posted by: Bete at February 06, 2023 04:49 PM (yMapP)

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I didn't hate it, but it's pretty bad. That's gradations of dislike, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:50 PM (LvTSG)

226 Not so sure about that. It's nice to be laying by your girlfriend while watching Old Yeller, and when she starts feeling sad, I put down the beer, roll over and boink her.

Heh.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 06, 2023 04:50 PM (y/a4v)

227 213 Did anyone see photo's of Madonna's face from last night?

Breathtaking.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 06, 2023 04:48 PM (D25PY)

You remember the cartoons where the character gets hit with a frying pan and their face goes all flat?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 06, 2023 04:50 PM (9qSw/)

228 Up is one of the most overrated movies of all time. Its about 15 minutes of a sad, sweet story, then 95 minutes of lame random stuff thrown together like manatees pushing balls around in a tank. They should have left it as a short.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:50 PM (0hOvj)

229 Bit big lead up about how awesome Darth Maul is... and he gets killed in the first movie.

Darth Vader at least got a three movie deal.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:50 PM (dCQ+C)

230 Let. Them. Die.

Posted by: See what I did there at February 06, 2023 04:51 PM (MbTez)

231 Not so sure about that. It's nice to be laying by your girlfriend while watching Old Yeller, and when she starts feeling sad, I put down the beer, roll over and boink her.

Can't do that in a theater.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 06, 2023 04:48 PM (BdMk6)

Given theatre attendance figures, you probably can.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:51 PM (eoQWY)

232 Real main issue of the prequels was Anakin. Coulda been the dialogue, coulda been the actor, coulda been both.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:47 PM (eYoxG)

I lay that at Lucas' feet. But, they could have chosen a better actor, probably and definitely let the kid down in the wardrobe dept as well.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:51 PM (zZu0s)

233 Madonna looks like an alien.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:51 PM (UuD2k)

234 Watch Lily Tomlin give Gronk head.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at February 06, 2023 04:51 PM (y/a4v)

235 229 Bit big lead up about how awesome Darth Maul is... and he gets killed in the first movie.

Darth Vader at least got a three movie deal.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:50 PM (dCQ+C)

Technically he got 6.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:51 PM (eYoxG)

236 Theatre is what I always want to type.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:51 PM (zZu0s)

237 217 187 Did you hate Thor as much as I did?
Posted by: Bete at February 06, 2023 04:49 PM (yMapP)

Thor 4 = yes - it was the worst of the 2022 Marvel, which is tough to acomplish...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:52 PM (exHjb)

238 218 Lizard people?

V reboot?
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:49 PM (dCQ+C)

I was not a huge fan the first time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:53 PM (zZu0s)

239 I'm gonna say it again, not sure if I have here or not, but these big studios have got to stop spending 2-300 million on each movie. If your film takes a quarter of a BILLION DOLLARS to make, there is some gigantic waste here.

Invention is the mother of necessity, and these people have no need. When you just let people spend as much as they want, there's no creativity in the package, just formula. Cut back on cost and stop expecting a billion dollar return.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:53 PM (0hOvj)

240 Lasseter also was one of the main pushers for Cars 2, so he had his blunders as well.

Posted by: Bete at February 06, 2023 04:53 PM (yMapP)

241 Anakin and Amadala suddenly falling in love was another story pothole that one of the deleted scenes could have saved when Amadala brings Anakin to meet her parents.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:53 PM (dCQ+C)

242 DIS P/E 63. NO yield. Fuck that.

Posted by: gp's Brunch Lid Post Ante at February 06, 2023 04:53 PM (24fqN)

243 239 I'm gonna say it again, not sure if I have here or not, but these big studios have got to stop spending 2-300 million on each movie. If your film takes a quarter of a BILLION DOLLARS to make, there is some gigantic waste here.

Invention is the mother of necessity, and these people have no need. When you just let people spend as much as they want, there's no creativity in the package, just formula. Cut back on cost and stop expecting a billion dollar return.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:53 PM (0hOvj)

I see you work for Illumination, which will be making bonkers money with Super Mario Brothers in April...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:54 PM (exHjb)

244 240 Lasseter also was one of the main pushers for Cars 2, so he had his blunders as well.
Posted by: Bete at February 06, 2023 04:53 PM (yMapP)

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Cars 2 was all about marketing, especially in Europe.

It was the most crassly commercial thing Pixar did for like 20 years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:54 PM (LvTSG)

245 Thor 4 = yes - it was the worst of the 2022 Marvel, which is tough to acomplish...
Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:52 PM (exHjb)

Huh. Worse than Strange or that shit they did with Falcon?

I hate that they ruined Falcon's character. That actor was great and had actually carved out a personality that was good and true of that part.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:54 PM (zZu0s)

246 Bit big lead up about how awesome Darth Maul is... and he gets killed in the first movie.

Darth Vader at least got a three movie deal.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:50 PM (dCQ+C)

Vader got the reverse treatment. Nothing in the first movie said he was super important. Spat on by Naval Staff underlings though he got even. Subordinate to the Admiral. Went on low level field ops. Had to do defensive fighter ops on a ship.

Then he got popular and became the most important person in the universe. Doesn't fit with the first movie at all.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:54 PM (eoQWY)

247 I lay that at Lucas' feet. But, they could have chosen a better actor

I dunno. Natalie Portman can act quite well when George Lucas isn't telling her to tone down her exuberance. She's boring and toneless as possible in the prequels. I bet that kid that played Anakin is fine, under a better writer and director.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:54 PM (0hOvj)

248 When will they release Song of the South on DVD?

THEY HAVE! I bought my copy from Amazon.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at February 06, 2023 04:54 PM (goJt/)

249 248 When will they release Song of the South on DVD?

THEY HAVE! I bought my copy from Amazon.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at February 06, 2023 04:54 PM (goJt/)

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Probably a Spanish bootleg.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:54 PM (LvTSG)

250 245 Thor 4 = yes - it was the worst of the 2022 Marvel, which is tough to acomplish...
Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:52 PM (exHjb)

Huh. Worse than Strange or that shit they did with Falcon?

I hate that they ruined Falcon's character. That actor was great and had actually carved out a personality that was good and true of that part.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:54 PM (zZu0s)

Movies...Falcon series was 2021 - and that is the worst D+ supers series Marvel has done (I still have a few to watch, but holy, was that awful)...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:55 PM (exHjb)

251 Since nothing I'm saying makes and sense or difference anyone remember the 2nd city album? The one with Bob & Doug (with flyby by Getty Lee)?

This classic Bill Murray.

Otherperson: name 4 famous Micky's
Bill Murray: (forgetting the order)
Mickey Mantle
Mickey Rooney
Mickey Mouse
Micky Way....

You know, the candy bar.

Posted by: micky at February 06, 2023 04:55 PM (3byMq)

252 DIS also has a really good ESG score. Which has proven to be one of the best indicators of poor performance in market history.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:55 PM (UuD2k)

253 241 Anakin and Amadala suddenly falling in love was another story pothole that one of the deleted scenes could have saved when Amadala brings Anakin to meet her parents.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:53 PM (dCQ+C)

Trying to cram in the Rise of Darth Vader, exposition for lots of stuff, and lots of battle scenes and action didn't leave a lot of room.

I did like a lot of the exposition and worldbuilding but it probably hurt the experience for a lot of people and diverted the prequels away from the soap opera model.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:55 PM (eYoxG)

254 *any not and

Posted by: micky at February 06, 2023 04:56 PM (3byMq)

255 Then he got popular and became the most important person in the universe. Doesn't fit with the first movie at all.

I agree. In the first movie he is like an inquisitor in a nation where they aren't really Roman Catholics any more. Yeah he's scary and has power, but he's not in charge, and he's basically mocked behind his back by everyone on his side. "That crazy zealot of a dead religion"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:56 PM (0hOvj)

256 253 Trying to cram in the Rise of Darth Vader, exposition for lots of stuff, and lots of battle scenes and action didn't leave a lot of room.

I did like a lot of the exposition and worldbuilding but it probably hurt the experience for a lot of people and diverted the prequels away from the soap opera model.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:55 PM (eYoxG)

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There was plenty of room to do it across three films. Lucas is just a bad writer.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 04:56 PM (LvTSG)

257 nvention is the mother of necessity, and these people have no need. When you just let people spend as much as they want, there's no creativity in the package, just formula. Cut back on cost and stop expecting a billion dollar return.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:53 PM (0hOvj)

You write what you know, and these people don't know anything but a pack of thin lies from college. Not even battle tested, traditional lies.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 04:56 PM (eoQWY)

258 Bit big lead up about how awesome Darth Maul is... and he gets killed in the first movie.

Sorta like Boba Fett. Badass in Empire, dies like a punk in Jedi.

Posted by: Brother Tim, still the worst commenter on the blog at February 06, 2023 04:56 PM (OUMaO)

259 I saw an underground magazine cover back in the mid 60's depicting all the characters having sex, I think it was the East Village Other ... I also think there was a bit of legal bother ...

Air Pirates - an 1971 underground comic that had Disney characters doing non-Disneyesque things, and Disney sued.

Disney won at the Ninth Circuit, but finally settled the case, since it was obvious they weren't going to get any money out of the guy they sued.

Posted by: DISNEY! at February 06, 2023 04:56 PM (2tUFv)

260 Huh. Worse than Strange or that shit they did with Falcon?

I hate that they ruined Falcon's character. That actor was great and had actually carved out a personality that was good and true of that part.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:54 PM (zZu0s)

And yes, worse than Strange - even with how much I hated Strange, I hated Thor more...I actually found Wakanda, which is a woke mess, as the most redeeming movie of the year, if only for the 1st 5 minute Chadwick send off...that 5 minutes made it better than any Marvel movie of 2022. That said, Wakanda still was not good, either...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 04:57 PM (exHjb)

261 I blame the prequel director and writer for how bad they were. Lucas is an idea man who works best with other voices reigning him in/making up for his shortcomings.

Posted by: Bete at February 06, 2023 04:57 PM (yMapP)

262 If woke disney continues down the woke path, the least of their worries is a proxy fight because there wont be anything left to fight over.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 06, 2023 04:57 PM (uNylN)

263 258 "Bit big lead up about how awesome Darth Maul is... and he gets killed in the first movie."

Sorta like Boba Fett. Badass in Empire, dies like a punk in Jedi.
Posted by: Brother Tim, still the worst commenter on the blog at February 06, 2023 04:56 PM (OUMaO)

Ah, but he actually survives that.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 04:57 PM (eYoxG)

264 And the award for the worst dressed man at the Grammys --But I didn't see them all- was by Harry Styles who I understand is some kind of singer and must be flamingly gay?. He was dressed in a clown suit cut out on top

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 06, 2023 04:57 PM (D+F6R)

265 Bit big lead up about how awesome Darth Maul is... and he gets killed in the first movie.

Darth Vader at least got a three movie deal.
Posted by: Anna Puma

4 movies if you count Spaceballs!

Posted by: Hands at February 06, 2023 04:57 PM (786Ro)

266 229 Bit big lead up about how awesome Darth Maul is... and he gets killed in the first movie.

Darth Vader at least got a three movie deal.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:50 PM (dCQ+C)

They retconned Darth Maul's "death" and he didn't really die in Episode 1. He shows up again with robot legs in some of the spin off SW shows and even has a cameo at the end of "Solo".

The rematch between an older Obi Wan and Darth Maul on Tatooine in one of said spin-offs was done well though.

Posted by: Thrawn at February 06, 2023 04:57 PM (Rl7KJ)

267 I hate that they ruined Falcon's character. That actor was great and had actually carved out a personality that was good and true of that part.

I agree, I liked Falcon as he was, I liked the actor, I liked his attitude. It makes no sense to put the shield on him, no sense at all. It ruins his character arc and was blatantly only done to get black Captain America.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:58 PM (0hOvj)

268 Has there been a post on Madonna's bizarre face? If not I'll nave to go search this out. She's just slightly older than me so I like to keep tabs on her aging.

Posted by: LASue at February 06, 2023 04:58 PM (Ed8Zd)

269 Oh boy, Ace said spooked.
Where's the nooses?

Posted by: torabora at February 06, 2023 04:58 PM (FDUIz)

270 "your sorcerer ways Lord Vader."

"There will be no disintegration."

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 04:58 PM (dCQ+C)

271 DIS also has a really good ESG score. Which has proven to be one of the best indicators of poor performance in market history.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:55 PM (UuD2k)

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Yeah, but do they do all their accounting in the Metaverse like FTX did? Come on, Disney step up your game, pikers!

Posted by: ShainS -- I'm a Freeborn Man of the USA at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (Osr+J)

272 None of this would be a problem if adults would put away childish things.

But, gotta have them warm fuzzies of childhood nostalgia....

If you want to get creeped out, start paying attention to the ads.
Once you do, and ask, "what childhood memory are they exploiting here?" they become really gross and offensive.

Read them as, "hey you! You really liked this song as a teen. We're playing it in the background cause we like it too! You should buy our stuff cause we're just like you. Tranfer your good feelings about that song to our product and buy, buy buy!"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (7vrD3)

273 Disney can star Fetterman, as Fetterman.

Posted by: torabora at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (FDUIz)

274 Madonna at the Grammys - holy crap, a bug in an Edgar skin suit looks better.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (eOEVl)

275 The last good Disney movie for kids (and enjoyable for this adult anyway while watching with his kids) was "Tangled". It came out in 2010. I'm curious if the woke crowd criticized it at the time, if so it was pretty quiet. If it came out today, no doubt the wokesters can come up with something because they are the biggest whiners and complainers in the known universe. Anyway, my 2 cents (4 cents adj. for inflation)

Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (fs1hN)

276 I agree, I liked Falcon as he was, I liked the actor, I liked his attitude. It makes no sense to put the shield on him, no sense at all. It ruins his character arc and was blatantly only done to get black Captain America.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:58 PM (0hOvj)

I would even have been fine with them making Falcon Cap, they did it in the comics with both Bucky and Falcon. But. They made his character an idiot.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (zZu0s)

277 268 Has there been a post on Madonna's bizarre face? If not I'll nave to go search this out. She's just slightly older than me so I like to keep tabs on her aging.
Posted by: LASue at February 06, 2023 04:58 PM (Ed8Zd)

She's still the Material Girl. Just those materials are now botox and latex.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (UuD2k)

278 275 The last good Disney movie for kids (and enjoyable for this adult anyway while watching with his kids) was "Tangled". It came out in 2010. I'm curious if the woke crowd criticized it at the time, if so it was pretty quiet. If it came out today, no doubt the wokesters can come up with something because they are the biggest whiners and complainers in the known universe. Anyway, my 2 cents (4 cents adj. for inflation)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (fs1hN)

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Meh.

The showstopper song is about how all manly men have girly inside desires.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (LvTSG)

279 Like what happened at Twitter, Woke Disney probably rightly fears that any examination would show their massive incompetence at their jobs even beside their almost criminal moral goals.

Posted by: Oldcat

Prior to 2020 Covid, Disney was suing little Angel Studios over some kind of infringement case (an objective outside lawyer said the court case was total BS), who make "The Chosen" streaming video. Last night, the lawyers representing Angel Studios, were talking extensively about what happened in 2019 and 2020. Disney was VERY predatory about this. They wanted to force Angel Studios into Chapter 7 bankruptcy (total liquidation of company and assets) and collect whatever they could. The money was not REALLY important to Disney, but shutting down Angel Studios was.
Then 2020 Covid hit, and Disney was SHUT DOWN and losing $25 million A WEEK. They eventually settled for much less (lawyers changed), and that was that.

Disney is evil. They should be burned to the ground.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (vcOmj)

280 No, I don't want to see them reform, or turn a profit, I want the husk to go up at auction for the creditors to get their 17 cents-on-the-dollar.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (XzIdt)

281 Ah, but he actually survives that.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead!

Don't get me started.

Posted by: Brother Tim, still the worst commenter on the blog at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (OUMaO)

282 I agree. In the first movie he is like an inquisitor in a nation where they aren't really Roman Catholics any more. Yeah he's scary and has power, but he's not in charge, and he's basically mocked behind his back by everyone on his side. "That crazy zealot of a dead religion"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:56 PM (0hOvj)

I think that's relatively well handled with the overall plot. The Empire literally doesn't have much force-users and has codified targetiing of them. The military despising Vader makes sense. Iirc the emperor being a force-user is a secret?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (eYoxG)

283 276 I agree, I liked Falcon as he was, I liked the actor, I liked his attitude. It makes no sense to put the shield on him, no sense at all. It ruins his character arc and was blatantly only done to get black Captain America.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 04:58 PM (0hOvj)

I would even have been fine with them making Falcon Cap, they did it in the comics with both Bucky and Falcon. But. They made his character an idiot.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (zZu0s)

So...he needs to do better?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (XvPQV)

284 Oh boy, Ace said spooked.
Where's the nooses?

Posted by: torabora at February 06, 2023 04:58 PM (FDUIz)

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And how has he avoided a racial discrimination suit since he sacked Lamont the Big Dummy?

Posted by: ShainS -- I'm a Freeborn Man of the USA at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (Osr+J)

285 @264

>>Harry Styles who I understand is some kind of singer and must be flamingly gay?

I believe he came out as gender fluid, pan-sexual.

I surmise it's just a way of saying your gay without actually saying your gay.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (up/3i)

286 Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly, undeterred by the SCOTUS Dobbs decision, is claiming the 13th amendment (barring slavery) guarantees a Federal right to abortion.
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Ahem. So a woman can't be forced into caring for her child, because that's slavery. What about the dude, who has to pay child support?

You can't be this stupid, "your honor", you're just being disingenuous right?

Posted by: And, that's when I was found in contempt at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (RdMeI)

287 272 Well said.

Posted by: gp's Brunch Lid Post Ante at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (24fqN)

288 So...he needs to do better?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (XvPQV)

Well, they need to do better, senator.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 05:01 PM (zZu0s)

289 Madonna is about a decade too late to star in Repo: A Genetic Opera.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 05:01 PM (dCQ+C)

290 She's still the Material Girl. Just those materials are now botox and latex. and Bondo and spackle.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 06, 2023 05:01 PM (eOEVl)

291 Nood

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at February 06, 2023 05:01 PM (gf7Ez)

292 Nood wtf.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at February 06, 2023 05:01 PM (eYoxG)

293 258 Lucas hated that fans liked Boba Fett in Empire. Which is probably why his fate is what it is in Jedi.

Posted by: Bete at February 06, 2023 05:01 PM (yMapP)

294 They retconned Darth Maul's "death" and he didn't really die in Episode 1. He shows up again with robot legs in some of the spin off SW shows and even has a cameo at the end of "Solo".

Posted by: Thrawn at February 06, 2023 04:57 PM (Rl7KJ)

That's not a fix, that's like fixing a hole in a gas line by taping a lit lighter to it.

When you get cut in half, and fall an infinite distance into machinery, you better be dead or you establish it in advance. If I hadn't soured on the series with the Ewoks and extra Death Star I'd have been out with that.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (eoQWY)

295 The last good Disney movie for kids (and enjoyable for this adult anyway while watching with his kids) was "Tangled". It came out in 2010. I'm curious if the woke crowd criticized it at the time, if so it was pretty quiet. If it came out today, no doubt the wokesters can come up with something because they are the biggest whiners and complainers in the known universe. Anyway, my 2 cents (4 cents adj. for inflation)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (fs1hN)
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Meh.
The showstopper song is about how all manly men have girly inside desires.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching some Best Pictures at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (LvTSG)

Yeah that was cringe. But it had a semi-heroic and romantic male character. Good luck finding that in the last 10 Disney movies.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (XvPQV)

296 And how has he avoided a racial discrimination suit since he sacked Lamont the Big Dummy?
Posted by: ShainS -- I'm a Freeborn Man of the USA at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (Osr+J)

Just one of his colorful personalities. I am waiting for the playful, bosomy, tranny twitch thot to emerge.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (zZu0s)

297 I am hopeful for Oppenheimer, although the same guy who did the score for Tenet is doing the score for Oppenheimer, so there is better than even odds that you will not be able to understand any of the dialog over the soundtrack.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (up/3i)

298 Darth Maul after the battle, "tis only a flesh wound! Come back here you Jedi coward! I will bit your ankles!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (dCQ+C)

299 if only for the 1st 5 minute Chadwick send off.

The thing is... he already died once. He got dusted remember? For five years he was dead. You'd have though they would have spent all that emotional energy and ritual already when he was, you know, DEAD. But they saved it for when the actor died? It makes no sense.

What they should have done, if they hadn't been halfway through shooting and had their lead actor croak, is write the story this way:

Black Panther is dusted. They have a huge funeral and feel terrible for him. We know how he died, and it wasn't mystery CancerAIDSCovid, it was being turned into ashes by the Infinity Stones. Then you do a story of the power struggle to gain power in Wakanda, since their old system no longer worked -- the magical flowers are gone -- and the dead king leaves a gap.

Someone comes along to exploit this gap, with no king, no Black Panther, and no stability in the nation. Hell even make it an evil white dude who wants to colonize Wakanda if you are compelled to do a RIPPED FROM THE HEADLINES narrative movie.

But don't do Namor. You ruined any chance of that character ever being in Marvel again.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (0hOvj)

300 Disney was VERY predatory about this. They wanted to force Angel Studios into Chapter 7 bankruptcy (total liquidation of company and assets) and collect whatever they could. The money was not REALLY important to Disney, but shutting down Angel Studios was.
Then 2020 Covid hit, and Disney was SHUT DOWN and losing $25 million A WEEK. They eventually settled for much less (lawyers changed), and that was that.

Disney is evil. They should be burned to the ground.
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Yup. Would not piss on them if they were on fire. Frankly, this investor guy, should let them die.

Posted by: And, that's when I was found in contempt at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (5zJsi)

301 271 DIS also has a really good ESG score. Which has proven to be one of the best indicators of poor performance in market history.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 06, 2023 04:55 PM (UuD2k)

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Yeah, but do they do all their accounting in the Metaverse like FTX did? Come on, Disney step up your game, pikers!
Posted by: ShainS -- I'm a Freeborn Man of the USA at February 06, 2023 04:59 PM (Osr+J)

I'm sure Disney had a large investment in FTX. Just another loss on their bottom line.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (BdMk6)

302 87, Vanguard is Disney's largest shareholder, not because they love it, but because Vanguard is mostly Index funds that are weighted to market cap.

Because of this, shareholder disgust with Disney content and piss-poor share performance plays little to no role in impacting the Maus.

Posted by: Regular joe at February 06, 2023 05:03 PM (nnp+f)

303 Ahem. So a woman can't be forced into caring for her child, because that's slavery. What about the dude, who has to pay child support?

You can't be this stupid, "your honor", you're just being disingenuous right?
Posted by: And, that's when I was found in contempt at February 06, 2023 05:00 PM (RdMeI)

Or obeying court decisions....

Or paying taxes....

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 05:03 PM (eoQWY)

304 I would have given Anakin a Count of Monte Cristo story in the first movie. Then a wholesome redemption in the second one. Third one is first half protagonist, second half fall from grace. That would be 2 1/2 movie where you fist-pump at his successes and triumphs.

The shining path forward wasn't just there, it was straight forward. That's why it's tragic. Surprising but inevitable.

Also don't cast the turd.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 06, 2023 05:04 PM (44ww/)

305 Disney doesn't have to indoctrinate their future audience, the schools are doing that for them. They are playing now to the audience of the future.

Posted by: Javems at February 06, 2023 05:04 PM (AmoqO)

306 213 Did anyone see photo's of Madonna's face from last night?

Breathtaking.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 06, 2023 04:48 PM (D25PY)

Just looked 'er up.
Horrifying. She has no neck. she looks like that Wittenstein [sp] woman.

Posted by: Flyover at February 06, 2023 05:04 PM (Rbu5d)

307 Someone comes along to exploit this gap, with no king, no Black Panther, and no stability in the nation. Hell even make it an evil white dude who wants to colonize Wakanda if you are compelled to do a RIPPED FROM THE HEADLINES narrative movie.

But don't do Namor. You ruined any chance of that character ever being in Marvel again.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (0hOvj)

The tragedy of the woke is that literally anybody in the planet, and I mean **ANYBODY** could do a better job in the planning / writing process.

A 7 year old boy with a KILL stamp for ideas would save them billions. Anyone could see that all these projects would fail and fail badly.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 05:05 PM (eoQWY)

308 Disney doesn't have to indoctrinate their future audience, the schools are doing that for them. They are playing now to the audience of the future.
Posted by: Javems at February 06, 2023 05:04 PM (AmoqO)

Even their indoctrinated don't consume the product. It is like making whiskey for teetotalers. Even if they fix the market they still fail.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 05:06 PM (eoQWY)

309 On the last:

>>>Biden's Deep State Defenders Put Out New Official IC Lie That Chinese Spy Airships Were Always Over the US Under Trump

>>>No one believes this.

This appears to be a hunger stone of trust for the deep state propagandists.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at February 06, 2023 05:09 PM (PyOKD)

310
Yeah that was cringe. But it had a semi-heroic and romantic male character. Good luck finding that in the last 10 Disney movies.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (XvPQV)

Toy Story 3 - same year. Wildly superior (although I did like Tangled, I have not rewatched it, but the toys pre #4 are the 3 best animated movies in a trilogy ever made)...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 05:10 PM (exHjb)

311 Look, corporate America is about making money. Leftist activists have convinced corporate America of the following:

1) Sure, we are losing money NOW, but in the future, we'll gain a huge number of woke fans.

2) Sure, we are losing money NOW, but in the future, everything is going this direction, and we'll be in the catbird seat.

3) Sure, we are losing money NOW, but how can you expect us to make money at the same time we are appeasing all these conflicting interests?

Investors have woken up to the NOW part.

Posted by: Inspector kemp at February 06, 2023 05:11 PM (+DS2f)

312 I would have given Anakin a Count of Monte Cristo story in the first movie. Then a wholesome redemption in the second one. Third one is first half protagonist, second half fall from grace. That would be 2 1/2 movie where you fist-pump at his successes and triumphs.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 06, 2023 05:04 PM (44ww/)

A major problem in the prequel trilogy is that it contradicts the only info we had about him. "Vader was seduced by the Dark Side of the force" and that OBWan could think of him as a friend.

The prequels made Vader a nasty bit of work and a pain in the ass from day 1. There was no seduction by the force, but just by Palpy. There should be no reason for OBW to say that kind of stuff to Luke about the universes Junior Hitler.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 06, 2023 05:11 PM (eoQWY)

313 But don't do Namor. You ruined any chance of that character ever being in Marvel again.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 06, 2023 05:02 PM (0hOvj)

Yes, I agree - I hated Namor and his whole plot in this movie. His whole arc was the movie's biggest backfire...and it's the wokest part of the movie, so that tracks...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 06, 2023 05:13 PM (exHjb)

314 Buy the Star Wars IP, retire the current franchise, and start making the original stories into movies. The Imperial Remnant story line with Tarkin as the head of government, the Yuuzhan Vong storyline, the "why are the YV migrating towards the Republic in the first place and what must be chasing them", Luke marrying Mara Jade, (a former assassin who worked for the emporer) and having children who become Jedi, these were outstanding stories and would have made movies for decades if kept around. Instead we got the I-III garbage of non-acting and the VII-IX garbage of wokery. Lots of money to be made and entertainment to be had. Are people tired of SW? I posit that they are tired of woke and garbage SW but would welcome the universe with open arms if done properly.

Posted by: Heresolong at February 06, 2023 05:33 PM (FSbq+)

315 Song of the South on DVD?

I have it!

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