Biden to Send <i>31 Abrams Tanks</i> to Kill Russians in Ukraine

Biden to Send 31 Abrams Tanks to Kill Russians in Ukraine

Make sure you thank Mitch McConnell and the Seditious Seventeen for this. They all voted to defend Ukraine, while surrendering America.

Just last week, Biden sent another $2.5 billion in American military equipment to Ukraine, including Stryker armed fighting vehicles and 59 Bradley Fighting Vehicles.

Neither of those vehicles is a tank, though they are armored and have guns. They're troop carriers with some offensive weaponry.

The US will be sending vehicles to Ukraine, including, 59 Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles, 90 Stryker Armored Personnel Carriers, 53 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles, 350 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles, 12 ammunition support vehicles, 6 command post vehicles, and 22 tactical vehicles to tow weapons.
The US will also be sending munitions and defense systems including eight Avenger air defense systems, additional munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems, anti-tank missiles and 25mm ammunition for Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles, 600 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds, 95,000 105mm artillery rounds, 11,800 120mm mortar rounds, 3 millions rounds of small arms ammunition, and high-speed anti-radiation missiles.

Now Biden says he's also going be sending actual tanks -- 31 Abrams tanks.

On Wednesday, President Biden announced that his administration would continue to assist Ukraine's efforts to thwart Russian aggression by sending thirty-one M1 Abrams tanks to the Eastern European nation.
Biden's announcement came just hours after his German counterpart Olaf Scholz made it known that Berlin would be supplying Ukraine with a series of Leopard 2 tanks.
"Today," Biden began, "I'm announcing that the United States will be sending thirty-one Abrams tanks to Ukraine, the equivalent of one Ukrainian battalion."

At the same time, Ukrainian officials are resigning over a scandal involving their embezzlement of funds for their own personal use.

The Wall Street Journal:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has removed nearly a dozen top officials as he tries to contain a series of corruption scandals and shore up Western confidence in his administration at a critical moment in the war.
Though the scandals are small compared with those of previous Ukrainian governments--some of which were accused of stealing billions in public funds--they are nonetheless a blow to Mr. Zelensky, who has garnered praise at home and abroad for his leadership of the country during Russia's invasion.
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In a series of public addresses this week, Mr. Zelensky indicated he was seeking to clean house by dismissing officials of various levels in ministries, the regions and law enforcement, and tried to present the firings as proof of a break from corrupt regimes of the past.

Jazz Shaw isn't buying the "Zelensky is a corruption-fighter" spin from the Establishment press.

At least four high-ranking officials in Kyiv have either resigned or been dismissed amidst an ongoing corruption investigation that somehow has failed to generate a lot of headlines in the United States. The people involved have mostly been accused of lining their own pockets with money that should have gone to aid the public during the war. Of course, if you read the way the Associated Press covered this story, you would think that Zelensky himself was the anti-corruption crusader rooting all of these rats out of their hiding places. But does that really sound very plausible?
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The first name on the list should have raised some immediate red flags. Kyrylo Tymoshenko was the deputy head of Zelensky's presidential office. He had previously been linked to "the embezzlement of humanitarian aid worth more than $7 million." That money was supposed to go toward feeding people in areas battered harshly during the Russian attacks, but it disappeared. (It should go without saying that much of that cash came from American taxpayers.) That much loot disappeared from right inside of Zelensky's own office and he knew nothing about it?

The State Department trotted out the Unimpeachably Honest Ned Pryce to say, "Don't even worry about it mates, no American taxpayer monies were stolen, we totally went over it all with a fine-toothed comb from a distance of 1000 miles, and we are 100% sure that the corrupt Ukrainian officials only stole Ukrainian money, but left the American money right where it's supposed to be. Maybe they nicked some Canadian money but that's not real money anyhow."

Or something like that. From Euronews:

The United States vowed to tightly monitor how Ukraine spends billions of dollars of aid on Tuesday, following a damaging corruption scandal that led to a string of resignations in Kyiv.
While Washington said it had no evidence western funds were being misused, US State Department Spokesman Ned Price promised there would be "rigorous monitoring" to ensure American assistance was not diverted.
Several senior Ukrainian officials were dismissed on Tuesday, in the wake of a corruption scandal surrounding illicit payments to deputy ministers and over-inflated military contracts.

Well as long as there'll be "rigorous monitoring" of all monies from a distance of 1000 miles, I'm totally reassured. Not sure why we didn't already have "rigorous monitoring" over the $100 billion we've spent in Ukraine so far, but I'm sure Ned "Good as Gold" Pryce has a slick answer for us about that that is totally candid and plausible.

Meawhile, rumor has it that Vladimir Putin is negotiating with the Tabilan to buy all the advanced US weapons Biden left behind in his disgracefully chaotic bug-out.

VLADIMIR Putin is plotting to grab weapons seized by the Taliban during the US evacuation of Afghanistan, a so-called Kremlin insider claims.
The Russian tyrant is reportedly in the midst of negotiations with the terror group to recognise the Taliban government.
In return, Putin wants US equipment snatched from Afghanistan by the Taliban to be handed over, according to Telegram channel General SVR, which claims to be fed information by a Kremlin insider.
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The US spent an estimated 62billion [pounds] on weapons and equipment to arm the Afghan army as they propped up the government after toppling the Taliban in 2001.
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It is thought Taliban fighters may have stolen as many as half a million US weapons and up to 50,000 vehicles.
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Estimates state 22,174 Humvees, 634 M1117s armoured cars, 115 Maxx Pros trucks, and 549,118 machine guns, assault rifles and pistols were given over by the US.
Some 33 Black Hawk helicopters, 23 Super Tucano fighter planes and 4 C-130 transport planes were also given to the Afghan Air Force.

I saw an account on Twitter, who offered no cite for his claim, say that the amount being discussed to buy almost all of the US weaponry is $7.12 billion. Nice little discount.

Maybe they'll ship those American armaments to Ukraine. Wouldn't that be just so Biden.

Update: From Christopher R. Taylor

Joe Biden in March of 2022:
"The idea that we're gonna send in offensive equipment and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews ...that's called World War Three, OK? Let's get it straight here, guys"

We're closer to Armageddon than we've ever been and that's my word as a Biden, Fat.

Posted by: Lamont the Big Dummy at 03:55 PM

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1 Seems fine

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 03:55 PM (9tAca)

2 Biden to Send 31 Abrams Taks to Kill Russians in Ukraine

Taks? Like with a thumb ?

Posted by: Anonymous Guy in Kalifornistan at January 25, 2023 03:56 PM (QpQSs)

3 And when our tanks (and troops) are humiliated, we will have to have vengeance, justifying our movement towards WWIII

Posted by: There is no deep state, there is only the state at January 25, 2023 03:56 PM (QJpW8)

4 Missed it by this much....(holds thumb and forefinger closely together)

Posted by: Anonymous Guy in Kalifornistan at January 25, 2023 03:57 PM (QpQSs)

5 Today," Biden began, "I'm announcing that the United States will be sending thirty-one Abrams tanks to Ukraine, the equivalent of one Ukrainian battalion
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As another moron pointed out, you don't just grab Nazis from the local pub to man these things.

Posted by: There is no deep state, there is only the state at January 25, 2023 03:59 PM (QJpW8)

6 Lamont misspelled tank as tak because he's a Russian bot. Or because he's a big dummy.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 25, 2023 03:59 PM (ppBhU)

7 I nooded.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 25, 2023 04:00 PM (vqhPW)

8 This really smells like a VIETNAM repeat !!!! No Strategy, Kill Ratios as a measurement, Endless Streams of Equipment, and the finally round of deploying US Forces as Advisors that leads to actual Combat employment !!

Where are all the Hippies from the 1960's to protest an endless war ??? Too busy sucking Biden's Cock ????

Hey....Hey... Ho.... Ho.... Joe Biden's gotta Go !!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:00 PM (mm9pv)

9 Why doesn't he just send Tank Abrams?

Posted by: That Northern skulker at January 25, 2023 04:00 PM (eGTCV)

10 Joe Biden in March of 2022:

"The idea that we're gonna send in offensive equipment and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews ...that's called World War Three, OK? Let's get it straight here, guys"

https://tinyurl.com/2ss2zh5x

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:00 PM (0hOvj)

11 Just another data point that bidet has been wrong on every policy for his entire life.

Posted by: Infidel at January 25, 2023 04:00 PM (ZEa+g)

12 If the Bible taught me anything, it's that text in red was spoken by Jesus.

Posted by: Crazy to be sane at January 25, 2023 04:01 PM (L3A0x)

13 I am predicting right now they get them by end of year Russia will be parading one in Red Square by end of the year

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:01 PM (xhxe8)

14 As the clown car continues to careen out of control. It's gonna crash, folks. Soon.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 04:01 PM (Xrfse)

15 Volodymyr Zelensky = Ngo Dinh Diem +55 years

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:01 PM (mm9pv)

16 Meawhile, rumor has it that Vladimir Putin is negotiating with the Tabilan to buy all the advanced US weapons Biden left behind in his disgracefully chaotic bug-out.

no waiiiiii

lol@ anyone who didn't figure out the iranians gnf about WEF-NATO

Posted by: kallisto at January 25, 2023 04:02 PM (dCxaZ)

17 At least four high-ranking officials in Kyiv have either resigned or been dismissed amidst an ongoing corruption investigation

At least they didn't fall out of windows like Russians do.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 25, 2023 04:02 PM (AD/9l)

18 Willowed but on topic.

If they don't have air superiority over the battlefield, they better do it fast.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 25, 2023 03:39 PM (vqhPW)

Already seeing stories that "we" need to rebuild the Uke air force.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 25, 2023 04:02 PM (Ost2s)

19
Maybe the folks Z 'outed' will decide to 'out' him, and the file that Z has on Biden become public.

(I always liked 'Spy v Spy' in Mad Magazine)

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 25, 2023 04:02 PM (enJYY)

20 Posted by: Crazy to be sane at January 25, 2023 04:01 PM (L3A0x)

It's twue!

It's twue!

Posted by: kallisto at January 25, 2023 04:02 PM (dCxaZ)

21 Congress declared this Proxy War
Right?

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:02 PM (xhxe8)

22 Biden to Send 31 Abrams Tanks to Kill Russians in Ukraine
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He thought he was ordering 31 flavors

Whoops!

Whoopsie!

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 04:02 PM (FtYDi)

23 maybe this is how the USA falls apart. like how the USSR overextended in the Falklands and A-Stan and cropped themselves.

meanwhile effectively the country of Ukraine is a shambles.

it's all just sad.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 25, 2023 04:03 PM (w0NJk)

24 In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

Don't mind me. Just brushing up on some poetry just in case.

Posted by: Fifty Three Years an Imbecile at January 25, 2023 04:03 PM (BJKQV)

25 It is thought Taliban fighters may have stolen as many as half a million US weapons and up to 50,000 vehicles.

I'm not sure how it counts as "stolen" if you just leave it behind.

"Goodbye forever! Don't touch any of this stuff, OK?"

Posted by: spindrift at January 25, 2023 04:03 PM (h5TKJ)

26 Forget it Jake, it's Ukraine.

Posted by: Inspector Kemp at January 25, 2023 04:03 PM (+DS2f)

27 This fking war is going to last 20 years.

Posted by: fd at January 25, 2023 04:03 PM (iayUP)

28 Wouldn't that be just so Biden.
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And a new internet meme phrase is born.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 25, 2023 04:03 PM (6GVA2)

29 We are in a defacto war with Russia. For what? I dunno.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 25, 2023 04:03 PM (cMXNt)

30 "Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has removed nearly a dozen top officials as he tries to contain a series of corruption scandals and shore up Western confidence in his administration at a critical moment in the war."

Um, I'm pretty sure resignations and firings are a bit insufficient given the circumstances. Now, a public hanging or two might mean you're actually serious about your nation. Alas, I don't expect that.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (aXxgO)

31 We send shit to craphole countries and my kid has to buy all of his own equipment except for borrowing a gun and using ammo, soon to be charged for that probably. And he has to pay for his chow. But we send foreigners whatever they want.

Posted by: NCKate at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (0R0Vd)

32 lol@ anyone who didn't figure out the iranians gnf about WEF-NATO

Posted by: kallisto at January 25, 2023 04:02 PM (dCxaZ)

And anyone who hasn't figured out none of it is accidental, up to including it falling into Russian hands, which anyone with at least a pea brain knew was likely

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (FtYDi)

33 well, the problem for putin is that our anti-tank weapons are designed against soviet tanks because the rooskies put the boom booms in the compartment with all the people while the Abrahms puts the boom booms in a separate area.

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (MLrvz)

34 The Tanks are Show Ponies. Nothing more. At best they will be used as self propelled artillery. Think the Iran-Iraq war with the tanks in holes up to their turrets.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (4vi12)

35 Everything is fine. Fine I tell you.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (ytSiK)

36 This really smells like a VIETNAM repeat !!!!

-Corrupt country that cannot be trusted, check
-Military-Industrial Complex capitalizing on conflict to enrich themselves, check
-Hapless lefty with poor foreign policy ability, check
-Sending "advisors" and equipment to try to stop a more powerful nation from invading a lesser one, check
-Continual escalation as the corrupt and worthless government of small nation cannot do its job, check

Nah, its nothing like Vietnam!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (0hOvj)

37 It will be amusing if the stuff we send to Ukraine will be facing stuff we sent to Afghanistan.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (Y+l9t)

38 At the same time, Ukrainian officials are resigning over a scandal involving their embezzlement of funds for their own personal use.

To be fair, that's more anti-corruption activity than we've had here in the US.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (wGeit)

39 Forgot whose twitter account I saw this on, but it sums things up:

"They're not going to stop until there's a Pride flag flying over the Kremlin."

Posted by: Hands at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (786Ro)

40 It's not like depleting our military equipment might encourage bad actors to act badly.

Posted by: I read the content at January 25, 2023 04:05 PM (SmFPm)

41 Wouldn't that be just so Biden.
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memba, the goal is to kill Russian and Ukrainian Christians as the democrat's demon lizard spokesman said

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:05 PM (MLrvz)

42 Those 31 tanks to Ukraine amounts to how many dollars in the Big Guy's pocket?

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 25, 2023 04:05 PM (eGTCV)

43 Putin should call the Afghan deal "Biden's Lend Lease for Russia."
"With Biden's Lend Lease we will be able to defeat the Nazis in Ukraine, just like in '45."

Posted by: Minuteman at January 25, 2023 04:05 PM (LaNzR)

44
I'm not sure how it counts as "stolen" if you just leave it behind.

"Goodbye forever! Don't touch any of this stuff, OK?"
Posted by: spindrift at January 25, 2023 04:03 PM (h5TKJ)

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It was like Jerry Seinfeld leaving his BO infested car, getting out, waving the keys around and dropping them in the seat.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 25, 2023 04:05 PM (cMXNt)

45 As long as I get my 10%, it's all good!

Posted by: The Big Guy at January 25, 2023 04:05 PM (PiwSw)

46 Given how complex the Abrams is, I assume the tanks are accompanied by American tank crews.

But the Propaganda Press will never report that.

McGuire better ramp up for incoming. They won't report that either.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 25, 2023 04:06 PM (6GVA2)

47 29 We are in a defacto war with Russia. For what? I dunno
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Endless grift.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:06 PM (4vi12)

48 This fking war is going to last 20 years.

I doubt it but as long as the American taxpayer is forced to feed it, who knows?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 04:06 PM (Xrfse)

49 This is gonna work out about as well as sending *advisors* to help the South Vietnamese operate US equipment in 1963.

joe biden is bound and determined to get us in a no $hit shooting war with Russia.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 25, 2023 04:06 PM (uNylN)

50 41 It's not like depleting our military equipment might encourage bad actors to act badly.

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equipment's nice.

but we've depleted our:

personnel, morals, treasury, history, doctrine, recruitment, and other minor societal strongpoints.

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:06 PM (MLrvz)

51 Nah, its nothing like Vietnam!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (0hOvj)

The difference is the Russians are playing the role of the foreign power with troops on the ground.

They haven't even gotten to the hard part yet, which is pacifying the place after you've conquered it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 04:06 PM (wGeit)

52 Why doesn't he just send Tank Abrams?

Posted by: That Northern skulker

I know right? And after FOX News projected her as the Czarina.

Posted by: Hands at January 25, 2023 04:06 PM (786Ro)

53 This missing money has all the earmarks of simple accounting error.

Posted by: US Intelligence Community at January 25, 2023 04:06 PM (W95Ly)

54 We are already funding both sides of the war with direct payments to Ukraine and paying Russia through cutouts with increased oil prices and energy costs. So it only makes sense we would be providing weapons either free or at great discount to both sides.

Biden couldn't have screwed this up any worse if he had tried.

Posted by: Thatch at January 25, 2023 04:06 PM (A+k5G)

55 Zelensky fighting corruption is nothing more than Jimmy Conway cleaning up after the Lufthansa heist.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 25, 2023 04:07 PM (KbCG3)

56 How is this different than when the US fought the commies in Nam who were being supplied by the Soviets?
And where is the freedom in Ukraine? All opposition political parties outlawed, churches closed.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 25, 2023 04:07 PM (jTmQV)

57 "The United States vowed to tightly monitor how Ukraine spends billions of dollars of aid on Tuesday, following a damaging corruption scandal that led to a string of resignations in Kyiv."

Ahahahaha! We don't monitor/control our own debt, deficit, spending, waste, and corruption. Like we have any control over anything.

Laughable. It's Global Clown World.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 25, 2023 04:07 PM (aXxgO)

58 Puddinhead there are lots of YouTube videos on tank use, and how the Russians have not done their homework on tank and infantry collaboration. I don't think tanks are going out of style

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:07 PM (xhxe8)

59 Forgot whose twitter account I saw this on, but it sums things up:

"They're not going to stop until there's a Pride flag flying over the Kremlin."
Posted by: Hands

Why the Kremlin? Why not Tehran?

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 25, 2023 04:07 PM (AD/9l)

60 We send shit to craphole countries and my kid has to buy all of his own equipment except for borrowing a gun and using ammo, soon to be charged for that probably. And he has to pay for his chow. But we send foreigners whatever they want.
Posted by: NCKate at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (0R0Vd)

Whoa! Repeat that, and do it slowly, cause I ain't a fast reader.
Your son is Army? US Army? Not being equipped?

Posted by: MkY at January 25, 2023 04:07 PM (7JrpY)

61 Related, I heard this morning that the United States has spent more money in the Ukraine standstill than all of Europe.

Pretty neat, huh? They're super worried about Russia, but we're laundering all the money.

Posted by: There is no deep state, there is only the state at January 25, 2023 04:07 PM (QJpW8)

62 You'll want to stay out of the way of that kind of heavy equipment

Posted by: Zombie Rachel Corrie at January 25, 2023 04:07 PM (786Ro)

63 look, you russia accomplices. No one is above the law when they're a Trump or Trump associate. No one cares about "billions" of dollars "going missing" when it's a democrat crony doing it.

now let's see if we can nail trump for being in possession of a stolen car. all we have to do is find a sissy federal judge with open furry tendencies to ignore that trump bought the car in question.

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (MLrvz)

64 What's 10% of 31 abrams tanks?

Posted by: Eromero at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (0OP+5)

65 What will be interesting is how Putin will respond.
I got nothing.

Posted by: Bosk at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (ZVuYy)

66 It is thought Taliban fighters may have stolen as many as half a million US weapons and up to 50,000 vehicles.
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"stolen"

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (kOpft)

67 This post has all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign.
- "Intelligence" community

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (fs1hN)

68 The protesting hippies will return when they are being drafted.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (4IUUf)

69 This reminds me of early covid. Despite endless media accounts of people dropping dead left and right, I never found anyone I knew (personal or work) that died from the thing. Similarly, I know of no one that is clamoring for anything to be sent to Ukraine, much less a freaking battalion of the best tanks money can buy. This is outrageous. And dangerous.

Posted by: Mookie at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (Y+2kU)

70 Lindsay Graham must be happy. Politically, Ukraine is all he cares about.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (sVtYq)

71 I was looking in the online dictionaries and apparently "Quagmire" has been removed from them all.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (xhaym)

72 Ivan don't surf!

Posted by: Shit Robert Duvall says at January 25, 2023 04:09 PM (786Ro)

73 At least back then ? 31 tanks ? Without considerable US maintenance support ? None of them will run in 90 days hard field use. Maybe use. She may disagree. I'd trust her opinion over mine.
Posted by: Pentatonic at January 25, 2023 04:05 PM (aenZi)

The Ukrainians know how to fix tanks. They were a major tank manufacturer and maintainer before the war. Tanks that need a major overhaul can be shipped to Germany and fixed by the US, just like Ukrainian Soviet-era tanks are being upgraded in Poland today.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 04:09 PM (wGeit)

74 That escalated quickly.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 25, 2023 04:09 PM (Q4IgG)

75 36 This really smells like a VIETNAM repeat !!!!

-Corrupt country that cannot be trusted, check
-Military-Industrial Complex capitalizing on conflict to enrich themselves, check
-Hapless lefty with poor foreign policy ability, check
-Sending "advisors" and equipment to try to stop a more powerful nation from invading a lesser one, check
-Continual escalation as the corrupt and worthless government of small nation cannot do its job, check

Nah, its nothing like Vietnam!
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You missed one other similarity:
- CIA removing an elected President and replacing him with a puppet to enable full engagement in shithole country

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:09 PM (4vi12)

76 "We'll never send tactical nukes to Ukraine. NEVER! OK?! - Joey Biden

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 25, 2023 04:09 PM (2XjE8)

77 This really smells like a VIETNAM repeat !!!! No Strategy, Kill Ratios as a measurement, Endless Streams of Equipment, and the finally round of deploying US Forces as Advisors that leads to actual Combat employment !!
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On the upside, we can probably skip the draft and go straight to the nuclear exchange.

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (kOpft)

78 the number from Biden's disasterous, humiliating botched withdraw from Afghanistan was about $90 billion dollars in military shit.

also about 3000 americans left behind.

and about 500,000 rapey rapefugees being shipped to wisconsin and given voter registration and a lifetime of welfare.

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (MLrvz)

79 Why are AFVs of any kind being sent to Ukraine? Do they not have many AFVs already? Do they not have recovered Russian AFVs to repair and put back into the field? Are not our AFVFs built on a totally different user platform than Ukraine's old WTO stuff, and will they not have a spares and fuel problem? (The Abrams is a gas hog of legendary use.) And I fail to see how a company of killboxes with a proven record against Commie-made tanks can be deployed in a "non-offensive" manner.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (W+kMI)

80 The Ukrainians know how to fix tanks. They were a major tank manufacturer and maintainer before the war. Tanks that need a major overhaul can be shipped to Germany and fixed by the US, just like Ukrainian Soviet-era tanks are being upgraded in Poland today.
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Did we send a parts package with the tanks? How about a Tank Retriever?

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (4vi12)

81 This reminds me of early covid. Despite endless media accounts of people dropping dead left and right, I never found anyone I knew (personal or work) that died from the thing. Similarly, I know of no one that is clamoring for anything to be sent to Ukraine, much less a freaking battalion of the best tanks money can buy. This is outrageous. And dangerous.
Posted by: Mookie at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (Y+2kU)

It is the Matrix again. Everything is a carefully curated lie to show you that you are alone and unpopular, and should shut up.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (xhaym)

82 Biden couldn't have screwed this up any worse if he had tried.

Heh. Let's go with that.

Posted by: Klaus the Butcher at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (Xrfse)

83 Can we at least have Congress require a formal declaration of war before one more penny is authorized to be spent on this war?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (fs1hN)

84 Joe's babysitter made the best cabbage rolls. He's part Ukrainian, don't you know.

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (eGTCV)

85 What's 10% of 31 abrams tanks?
Posted by: Eromero at January 25, 2023 04:08 PM (0OP+5)
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Finally, we find a question Joe can answer, and no doubt to the penny.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (6GVA2)

86 well, you know, at least each step on the path to WWIII is being as carefully considered as the path to WWI was

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (MLrvz)

87 although, I don't think people got rich from the path to WWI.

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:11 PM (MLrvz)

88 This really smells like a VIETNAM repeat !!!!

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sorry buddy. there's a democrat in the white house. You save that talk and grim milestones for when there's a Republican in the white house. Moose out front shoulda told you

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:12 PM (MLrvz)

89 Why are AFVs of any kind being sent to Ukraine?

The Ukrainians are trying to make up for a lack in firepower with superior mobility. And it's working, to some extent.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 04:12 PM (wGeit)

90 You missed one other similarity:

- CIA removing an elected President and replacing him with a puppet to enable full engagement in shithole country

One big difference: The "enemy" combatant is not a proxy with nuclear-armed advisors - it's the nuke-armed fellows themselves. And they are led by someone who has been targeted by multiple people in this nation for elimination. This is far more dangerous than Vietnam.

Posted by: Mookie at January 25, 2023 04:12 PM (Y+2kU)

91 These motherfucking cocksucking motherfucker suckers of cock. Flirting with World War Three just so they can keep their international graft and money laundering operation going. They should all be skinned, covered in bullet ants, then burned alive.

Posted by: Can't tell you what I REALLY think so here's the nice version at January 25, 2023 04:12 PM (s2na+)

92 Can we at least have Congress require a formal declaration of war before one more penny is authorized to be spent on this war?

"That just is not done these days, my boy. We haven't declared war since 1941."
--Congress

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:12 PM (0hOvj)

93 >Ahahahaha! We don't monitor/control our own debt, deficit, spending, waste, and corruption. Like we have any control over anything.

Laughable. It's Global Clown World.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 25, 2023 04:07 PM (aXxgO)

Covid 'relief' funds has entered the chat

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (NgqoH)

94 This reminds me of early covid. Despite endless media accounts of people dropping dead left and right, I never found anyone I knew (personal or work) that died from the thing.

Neither do I. Guess I'll just leave it at that.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (Xrfse)

95 Similarly, I know of no one that is clamoring for anything to be sent to Ukraine, much less a freaking battalion of the best tanks money can buy.

Eh... no. The Abrams is pretty outdated at this point. The best tank in 2023 is probably the Korean K2.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (wGeit)

96 31 We send shit to craphole countries and my kid has to buy all of his own equipment except for borrowing a gun and using ammo, soon to be charged for that probably. And he has to pay for his chow. But we send foreigners whatever they want.
Posted by: NCKate at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (0R0Vd)

And apparently bring them here and pay for housing, medical, food and provide jobs. There's a program for Ukrainian families to come to the US "for the winter" so they don't have to suffer in their own country. It's a USCIS program that is for two years.

My thanks for your son's service, and prayers for his safety.

Posted by: Moki at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (JrN/x)

97 88 although, I don't think people got rich from the path to WWI.
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Wilson jumped us into WWI to save the Loan Portfolios of Manhattan Banks. We were making big assed profits supplying the Allies.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (4vi12)

98 I just can't wrap my mind around why they are so sexually aroused about getting us in a hot war with Russia.

Remember: Every damned expert swore that Russia had to win the whole Ukraine in 3 months. That all we had to do was send just a few billion last spring, enough help them hold for a bit, the whole world sanctions would work and Russia would fold.

We're coming on a year now, pushing $150 billion, the sanctions haven't worked and Ukraine hasn't gained back an inch.

So we're well on track for US "advisors" on the ground shooting at Russians ....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (NeCi3)

99 The way I read the news is that the $7B number is the estimated value of what was left behind. Not the price of the Russian contract.

I think that number may be the admin. efforts to downplay what was actually left behind. I think the value of what was left is much higher, but we will never know.

I doubt anyone would ever know the contract price with the muzzies. I expect it might be an exchange - not sure what the Russians have to offer except a lot of nuclear bombs. Oh shit.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (W95Ly)

100 I don't think people got rich from the path to WWI.

The guys who make weapons and boats did.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (0hOvj)

101 Thirty one tanks are not a game changer under any circumstances. Consequently all they are is a big poke in the eye to the Russians. And as any fool knows you don't poke a bear. Especially a nuclear armed one.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (7yL1h)

102 It is the Matrix again. Everything is a carefully curated lie to show you that you are alone and unpopular, and should shut up.

Worse: They know we know they are corrupt, and we can do nothing to prevent them from screwing us over.

Posted by: Mookie at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (Y+2kU)

103 34 The Tanks are Show Ponies. Nothing more. At best they will be used as self propelled artillery. Think the Iran-Iraq war with the tanks in holes up to their turrets.
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I'm sure that's what the Pentagon would say. But what happens once the Ukrainians take possession? That's what the rest of the world will see and accept as real.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (W+kMI)

104 I said a couple of weeks ago that this reminds me of the lead up to WWI. Nations led by old men , interlocking alliances, corruption with a lot of money thrown around, and ideological statism all rumbling towards an inevitable , completely foreseeable horror show

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (dHzaG)

105 I'm willing to concede that Zelensky is less corrupt than his predecessors, but only if he and especially his touts concede the outsize role that the rampant corruption has played in current events. Russia is asshoe but I'm tired of the forever-war crowd acting like Putin the intergalactic supervillain just woke up one day and randomly decided to invade a neighbor.

Posted by: CppThis at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (PZvjL)

106 ZOD IMPERIAL.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (Q/6pY)

107 My word as a Czech Chick:

We are all gonna die. And Putin will likely declare war on the US and get all kinds of great technological info because all of our advanced weaponry is being dismantled by the Russians and given to China, N Korea and Iraq.

Posted by: Czech Chick at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (6Tc2R)

108 Is there something significant about the number 31?

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (eGTCV)

109 Are not our AFVFs built on a totally different user platform than Ukraine's old WTO stuff, and will they not have a spares and fuel problem?

Apparently the former Warsaw Pact countries in NATO have already offloaded all their old Soviet equipment to Ukraine - thus the need for Western MBTs.

Also explains our insane proposal to reequip the Cuban, Venezuelan, and Nicaraguan armies with US equipment, so their old Soviet equipment can be shipped to Ukraine.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (2tUFv)

110 Did we send a parts package with the tanks? How about a Tank Retriever?
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I don't know about parts, but I think four tank retrievers go with the package.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (sWM8x)

111 This reminds me of early covid. Despite endless media accounts of people dropping dead left and right, I never found anyone I knew (personal or work) that died from the thing. . . .
Posted by: Mookie at January 25, 2023

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To this day, I know of exactly one work acquaintance who was *said* to have died of the Coof. And she was way over 70 and way overweight, and had other health issues to boot. So I'm not terribly surprised in her case, if true.

Personal friends? Not a one died. Some have had it, most who got the needle have had it twice, but no losses. Some Black Death.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (J2vNu)

112 They haven't even gotten to the hard part yet, which is pacifying the place after you've conquered it.
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They don't need to pacify the parts they actually want.

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (kOpft)

113 I saw an account on Twitter, who offered no cite for his claim, say that the amount being discussed to buy almost all of the US weaponry is $7.12 billion.

10% to the Big Guy = $712 million.

Who sez crime doesnt pay?

Posted by: Mookie at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (Y+2kU)

114 right ... DURING the war. the idiot, inbred cousin fuckers who sleptwalked into the war did it for free.

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:15 PM (MLrvz)

115
just so they can keep their international graft and money laundering operation going

Yet 80% of the voters in the largest city in my state voted for this shit. I only wish the H-bomb that eventually takes out that city spares the 20%. But shit don't work that way.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 25, 2023 04:15 PM (enJYY)

116 Eh... no. The Abrams is pretty outdated at this point. The best tank in 2023 is probably the Korean K2.
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Yep. The Marines are getting rid of their tanks. Too costly and rediculously hard to deploy. You can do the job of a tank with UAVs and pinpoint artillery.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:15 PM (4vi12)

117 Not running and losing the ground it sits on will be the easiest way for Russia to get a Abrams

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:15 PM (xhxe8)

118 I don't know about parts, but I think four tank retrievers go with the package.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 25, 2023

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When do we go, Boss??? Huh? Huh? When?

Posted by: Four Golden Tank Retrievers at January 25, 2023 04:16 PM (J2vNu)

119 Time to dust off SecDef Gates' remark about how Biden has been spectacularly wrong on almost every issue - every fucking issue - in his entire career.

He's a fucking retarded child playing with matches next to a powderkeg. And there are NO adults in the room.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at January 25, 2023 04:16 PM (7yL1h)

120 Not sure why we didn't already have "rigorous monitoring" over the $100 billion we've spent in Ukraine so far, but I'm sure Ned "Good as Gold" Pryce has a slick answer for us about that that is totally candid and plausible.

What's the big deal? Look, we've been very clear about this: It's not like American taxpayers are paying! We borrowed the money. And, the expenditures will be audited fully and completely. Until then, obviously, I can't comment, other than to say the President has been fully transparent on this issue and will continue to be!

Posted by: Karine Jean Pierre's Brain at January 25, 2023 04:16 PM (EjeRd)

121 109 Is there something significant about the number 31?
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Apparently that's one battalion as Ukraine's forces are organized.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 25, 2023 04:16 PM (sWM8x)

122 We are all gonna die.

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everyone cept me.

uh, anyway, what's the Deep Impact-style blast wave of that 100 Megaton coastal destroyer Putin set up to discourage the united states from invading?

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:16 PM (MLrvz)

123 Karine Jean Pierre's Brain

Holy crap was that spot on.
I tip my hat to you.

Posted by: Bosk at January 25, 2023 04:17 PM (ZVuYy)

124 They took the 31 tanks out of storage, right? They didn't take the tanks from 1st Armored or 1st Infantry, or 1st Cav, RIGHT?!?

Now, if the 31 tanks were former Marines vehicles that had been retired for service, that would be a smart move, or smarter than I'd usually give the junta credit for. But somehow I doubt it.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 04:17 PM (W+kMI)

125 They forgot that the actual firing offense for Zelensky was that they didn't grift enough money, not that the criminal activity was exposed.

Posted by: jeremiah at January 25, 2023 04:17 PM (j69Sh)

126 Eh... no. The Abrams is pretty outdated at this point. The best tank in 2023 is probably the Korean K2.

Hopefully the Korean tanks can't be stolen as easily as Korean cars, which can be stolen with a USB cable.

Posted by: Mookie at January 25, 2023 04:17 PM (Y+2kU)

127 Hadn't see him in decades since I grew up but a childhood friend I heard got Covid and died within a few days.

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:17 PM (xhxe8)

128 We're coming on a year now, pushing $150 billion, the sanctions haven't worked and Ukraine hasn't gained back an inch.

So we're well on track for US "advisors" on the ground shooting at Russians ....
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (NeCi3)

I find it's all easier to accept when you don't buy into their stated premise.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at January 25, 2023 04:17 PM (KbCG3)

129 @88 read Dreadnought and Castles of Steel by Massie. Details how much money was being made building the navies of Britain and Germany pre-WWI. Lots of cash to be made

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 25, 2023 04:17 PM (dHzaG)

130 FJB.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (9ozF+)

131 I just can't wrap my mind around why they are so sexually aroused about getting us in a hot war with Russia
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Target global population of 500 million.

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (kOpft)

132 Funny thing, I believe Revelation says a peacemaker comes from the Balkan countries just about the time a devastating war is going to break out.

Any of our more knowledgeable Bible scholars have a better or more accurate interpretation?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (1EFfL)

133
Will WWIII have the same kind of catchy music like WWII had?

Posted by: portlandon at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (+oR7L)

134 This is pretty much an overt act of war by the US/NATO, so, I expect things to get sporty real soon.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (sm3rd)

135 I am guessing that the Abrams of today is not the Abrams of Desert Storm. Like the F-15 they just kept updating and renewing and making them better.

I am also guessing that a new tank is on the horizon from the US, though. Hopefully better than some of our new ships.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (0hOvj)

136 Reminder -

"Providing assistance for Ukrainians to defeat the Russians is the number one priority for the United States right now according to most Republicans," McConnell said. "That's how we see the challenges confronting the country at the moment."

What a liar.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (fs1hN)

137 There is no statute of limitations on treason.

Posted by: setnaffa at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (WgEgc)

138 e're closer to Armageddon than we've ever been and that's my word as a Biden, Fat.
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I'd lol and tell you I told you so last year, but its not funny because its true.

For those of you still in denial, do yourselves a favor and stockpile some bacon, liquor, coffee, medicine, and noisemakers.

Posted by: the orange man is the bad at January 25, 2023 04:19 PM (Eda2g)

139 2023 weapons packages to Ukraine:

Germany: 14 Leopard 2 tanks
U.S.: 31 Mi Abrams battle tanks
ZOD: Elements of 1st Heavy Gorilla Cavalry, 33rd Electroshock Psych Brigade, two battalions of Mechanized Khmer Children Grenadier Guards.

Zelensky, upon receiving ZOD troops: "We've been given assurances that they, uhh, won't kill every man, woman, child, goat, cow, cat and dog in the country."

ZOD: "No such promise was made."

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:19 PM (Q/6pY)

140 can you imagine the zoomer captain america that's going to exist because of wwiii

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:19 PM (MLrvz)

141 Putin launches tactical battlefield nukes

Twitter warriors 5 seconds later: Whaaaaat? We didn't see that coming! We need to send troops now!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 25, 2023 04:19 PM (9ozF+)

142 something...something...land war in Asia...something...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 25, 2023 04:19 PM (jTmQV)

143 "Will WWIII have the same kind of catchy music like WWII had?"

Does Sting still wonder if Russians love their children too?

Posted by: Mookie at January 25, 2023 04:19 PM (Y+2kU)

144 I like this Lamont the Big Dummy guy who is filling in for Ace.

He gets to the heart of the matter.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (Lzpvj)

145 I just can't wrap my mind around why they are so sexually aroused about getting us in a hot war with Russia

I don't think they actually are, they're just hot and bothered to keep us active in a military action for as long as possible, now that the earning power of the Afghan war is over.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (0hOvj)

146 In US Civil War contractors got rich, that's what wars are for

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (xhxe8)

147 I imagine the phone call between Z-man and *biden over this was pretty short and sweet.

Z-man: "I need tanks"
*biden: "I don't think I can do that"
Z-man: "I'll release my files on you"
*biden: "How many tanks?"

Line goes dead........

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (Q4IgG)

148
joe biden is bound and determined to get us in a no $hit shooting war with Russia.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)

And Xi is sitting there in Peking with a big grin on his face. The Russkies are depleting their military and pulling troops from Siberia with it's vast resources, which the Chinee have been lusting after for decades. Eventually, it's going to be virtually undefended, and the PLA will just drive north.

And the US is shitcanning it's forces as well, either directly with woke bullshit and Donk defense budget cuts, or by depleting it's weapons inventory. So Taiwan is sweating.

The one advantage we have is that the quality of the PLA is likely to be total shit, both their weapons and the quality of troop training.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (n+4am)

149 31 M-1 Abrams plus however many Leopards may actually be more a hindrance than a help.It will require two training tracks and two logistics streams for a relatively small army.

With air superiority the Russian SU-25 Frogfoot will quickly render these tanks to be "Rolling Coffins."

These tanks are presently more for show than a full upgame changing capability.

Posted by: Minuteman at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (LaNzR)

150 89 This really smells like a VIETNAM repeat !!!!

sorry buddy. there's a democrat in the white house. You save that talk and grim milestones for when there's a Republican in the white house. Moose out front shoulda told you..

Johnson (D) was in the White House and escalated the Vietnam War into a mess and then dumped it on Nixon (R) to fix his F**Kup.... 2024 probably will be a repeat of this historical trend. That is when the Democrats will pronounce the Ukraine War a disaster after we have a President Trump or DeSantis in 2024....????

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (mm9pv)

151 109 Is there something significant about the number 31?
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Apparently that's one battalion as Ukraine's forces are organized.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 25, 2023 04:16 PM (sWM8x)

If I recall correctly 31 was the organization of a Soviet tank battalion during WWII. Three companies of 10 (3 platoons of 23 plus 1 Co Cdr) and 1 for the Battalion Cdr. At least that was the org around the time of Kursk, IIRC.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (7yL1h)

152 If the Bible taught me anything, it's that text in red was spoken by Jesus.
Posted by: Crazy to be sane

The Bible taught you nothing obviously.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (XF9Gj)

153 are they trying to get Putin to deploy nukes?

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (mnUzy)

154 136 I am guessing that the Abrams of today is not the Abrams of Desert Storm. Like the F-15 they just kept updating and renewing and making them better.

I am also guessing that a new tank is on the horizon from the US, though. Hopefully better than some of our new ships.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (0hOvj)

F-35 better or F-22 better?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (eYoxG)

155 send shit to craphole countries and my kid has to buy all of his own equipment except for borrowing a gun and using ammo, soon to be charged for that probably. And he has to pay for his chow. But we send foreigners whatever they want.

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My oldest heard a commercial on the radio this morning about children going to bed hungry and please donate to feed hungry children.

"Dad, where is the welfare food going?"

Well honey, they don't have to buy food. They can pretty much buy anything in the gas station that isn't booze or hot, so they need food after they've spent all their food money.

Posted by: There is no deep state, there is only the state at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (QJpW8)

156 Can't wait to see an Abrams tank on the equivalent of Ukrainian eBay next year. Stripped of the good shit and covered in graffiti

Posted by: Roc Doc at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (bkf/+)

157 Eh... no. The Abrams is pretty outdated at this point. The best tank in 2023 is probably the Korean K2.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 04:13 P

And oddly enough, Poland has bought a bunch of them along with Abrams A1A2(sep3).

Posted by: Beartooth at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (Ost2s)

158 "We're closer to Armageddon than we've ever been and that's my word as a Biden, Fat."

And the German Foreign minister just said the quiet part out loud, (yes, from ZH, so take that for what you think it's worth):

"Contradicting this official stance, Baerbock said the quiet part out loud, and introduced the comments with: "And therefore I’ve said already in the last days – yes, we have to do more to defend Ukraine. Yes, we have to do more also on tanks."

And that's when she asserted: "But the most important and the crucial part is that we do it together and that we do not do the blame game in Europe, because we are fighting a war against Russia and not against each other.”

https://tinyurl.com/5dscvysf

At least in the end, there will be only chaos. So I've heard anyway.

Posted by: Thrawn at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (Rl7KJ)

159 The real risk is that the Russian people decide that they are really in an existential war for their existence, like WWII.

Putin's deal originally was that this was merely a "special military operation" that Russians could ignore, if they so chose. It's why he was so hesitant to mobilize even 0.2% of the Russian population.

But now, with rising casualties, German-manfuctured tanks attacking the Russian army, and the high likelihood that the Ukrainians will hit Moscow, once they get suitable equipment, it's looking more and more like a NATO-Russia war, in the eyes of the average Russian.

The risk of a nuclear war is high and rising, which is why we need to be figuring out how to settle this thing, rather than believing that one more escalation will bring Ukraine victory.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (2tUFv)

160 speaking of WWIII's zoomer tranny Jefe Americano, let me repeat a recommends from the last thread:

Do Revenge. Do you like zoomer hispanic teenage girls pretending they're doing lesbo Clueless with Maya Hawke? Then I got the spankumentary for you.

Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (MLrvz)

161 I just can't wrap my mind around why they are so sexually aroused about getting us in a hot war with Russia
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Target global population of 500 million.
Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (kOpft)
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Which really doesn't make sense since both Ukraine and Russian populations are collapsing anyway *without* actively shooting at each other.

They are both dying and will fade away soon enough.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (BpYfr)

162 145 I like this Lamont the Big Dummy guy who is filling in for Ace.

He gets to the heart of the matter.
Posted by: sven

Except for the whole "no" "know" thing.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (9ozF+)

163 I am also guessing that a new tank is on the horizon from the US, though. Hopefully better than some of our new ships.
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The Army is working the requirement. I am not sure which direction they are going cuz they don't which direction they are going. A lot of thinking outside of the box is going on, though.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (4vi12)

164 So..... Why are we sending Tanks to Ukraine? How will this change the conflict?

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (mm9pv)

165 Is this how leftists felt when we were ramping up in Vietnam? Wondering why the fuck it's any of our business what goes on in a backward corner of the world? Wondering why the government's spending our hard earned treasure on an unclear objective?

Freaking Lindsay Graham claimed that if we don't stop Putin in Ukraine, there goes Taiwan. Just in case you thought Graham meant the ChiComs would be emboldened, he went on to say "He (Putin -Ed) will continue beyond Ukraine."

I don't even know what to make of that. Taiwan is 5,000 miles from Ukraine. Taiwan is not a hotbed of Russian activity. Why would Taiwan be next?

https://bit.ly/3JkLFM5

Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (eyxn4)

166 We have to get rid of 31 tanks to make way for the 1st Rainbow Flag division AKA the “Fightin’ Fruits”

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (cMXNt)

167 I am also guessing that a new tank is on the horizon from the US, though. Hopefully better than some of our new ships.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Drone swarms are about to render tanks obsolete with this one crazy trick.

* insert pic of toe fungus *

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (XF9Gj)

168 We got rid of a lot of fascism, and look where it pops up.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (3VDir)

169 We have something like 2000 Abrams tanks sitting in storage. I'd much rather send 31 tanks to Ukraine than billions of dollars in blank checks.

Posted by: Caiwyn at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (+dHQK)

170 Zelensky, upon receiving ZOD troops: "We've been given assurances that they, uhh, won't kill every man, woman, child, goat, cow, cat and dog in the country."

ZOD: "No such promise was made."
Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:19 PM (Q/6pY)

Whew, that was close.

Posted by: Ukrainian otters at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (PiwSw)

171 The one advantage we have is that the quality of the PLA is likely to be total shit, both their weapons and the quality of troop training.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (n+4am)

Yeah, but maybe Xi like Lenin (?) is probably thinking that quantity has a quality all on its own.

Posted by: Thrawn at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (Rl7KJ)

172 F-35 better or F-22 better?

I hope so? As I said, they are probably working on a new tank. But I don't think its exactly accurate to say that Abrams are outdated and other tanks are better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (0hOvj)

173 "Contradicting this official stance, Baerbock said the quiet part out loud, and introduced the comments with: "And therefore I’ve said already in the last days – yes, we have to do more to defend Ukraine. Yes, we have to do more also on tanks."
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Bareback is a hot little warmonger.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (fs1hN)

174 I think they mean 31 tanks... for now.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 25, 2023 04:23 PM (9ozF+)

175 136 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (0hOvj)

Sure we'll get a brand new tank right around the time we get a brand new self-propelled gun system, and the new armored personnel carrier, and the new C3 integration net....

you know the ones we have consitently canceled the last 30 years...

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:23 PM (Lzpvj)

176 And the German Foreign minister just said the quiet part out loud

One of our goals is to permanently wreck relations between Germany and Russia.

We've already succeeded in making Germany (and Europe) dependent on American energy supplies.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 25, 2023 04:23 PM (2tUFv)

177 Tanks for the memories...

Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2023 04:23 PM (gmo/4)

178 cnn oct 9 2017:

Sen. Bob Corker, who engaged in a public feud with President Donald Trump over the weekend, said Trump is setting the country "on the path to World War III."

Trump is a President who is acting "like he's doing 'The Apprentice' or something," the Tennessee Republican said in an interview with The New York Times that was published Sunday night.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 25, 2023 04:23 PM (kFrCu)

179 Also watch for the slow ebb of our vital logistics equipment to support the damn things, I love the Abrams but they are thirsty beasts and I am around them professionally at times.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:24 PM (Lzpvj)

180 31 Abrams are worthless without a heavy battalion of support personnel. That was not in the press release but no way they are sending the tanks without the support.

Maybe sheep-dipped, but soldiers are going with those tanks.

Posted by: Candidus at January 25, 2023 04:24 PM (pfmZx)

181 How will this change the conflict?

It makes it politically easier for Germans to send their tanks. How much it changes things, I doubt much at all.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:24 PM (0hOvj)

182 Funny thing, I believe Revelation says a peacemaker comes from the Balkan countries just about the time a devastating war is going to break out.

Any of our more knowledgeable Bible scholars have a better or more accurate interpretation?
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I don't think it's that specific. The man of lawlessness comes offering peace, but he turns it to war 3.5 years later.

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:24 PM (kOpft)

183 173 "F-35 better or F-22 better?"

I hope so? As I said, they are probably working on a new tank. But I don't think its exactly accurate to say that Abrams are outdated and other tanks are better.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (0hOvj)

That was just meant as a joke about the F-35.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:24 PM (eYoxG)

184 If the Bible taught me anything, it's that text in red was spoken by Jesus.

You were taught wrong.

Jesus likely spoke Aramaic, not English.
The disciples who were around him at that time, sat on these quotes for a decade or longer before writing them down in Greek, which then was translated into Latin Vulgate, which became the basis for a number of English translations/paraphrases that you are reading now.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:24 PM (l7lsb)

185 We haven't heard about anyone offering Ukraine those mechanized battlefield-roaming corpse-eating kill-robots.

When are we gonna see the mechanized battlefield-roaming corpse-eating kill-robots?

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:25 PM (Q/6pY)

186 ZOD is committing elite troops! They will of course require spending money once they arrive in Ukraine, and that is where the American government can step in and assist in a really meaningful way.

Posted by: Karine Jean Pierre's Brain at January 25, 2023 04:25 PM (Mj45H)

187 183 Funny thing, I believe Revelation says a peacemaker comes from the Balkan countries just about the time a devastating war is going to break out.

Any of our more knowledgeable Bible scholars have a better or more accurate interpretation?
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I don't think it's that specific. The man of lawlessness comes offering peace, but he turns it to war 3.5 years later.
Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:24 PM (kOpft)

And the geography tends to be fuzzy about all of it.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:25 PM (eYoxG)

188 I just can't wrap my mind around why they are so sexually aroused about getting us in a hot war with Russia

I don't think they actually are, they're just hot and bothered to keep us active in a military action for as long as possible, now that the earning power of the Afghan war is over.

And of course it's a Democrat, as always, that's going to get us into a shooting war.

BTW - earlier typo: it's 3 platoons of 3 - NOT 23 - plus 1 Co Cdr to make 10 in a Sov tank company. Sheesh.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at January 25, 2023 04:25 PM (7yL1h)

189 Tanks run on Diesel Fuel that contributes to GLOBAL WARMING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg !!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:25 PM (mm9pv)

190 166 Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (eyxn4)

The theory is the axis of evil that we have one member as a primary trade partner and another we have made a defacto regional make a wish kid in the case of Iran are "gonna be emboldened"....

well no Mrs Graham-McCain what is gonna happen is they are going to take the hit to remove us from global reserve status and then we will be looking UP at Zimbabwae for stability guidance.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:26 PM (Lzpvj)

191 >Remember: Every damned expert swore that Russia had to win the whole Ukraine in 3 months. That all we had to do was send just a few billion last spring, enough help them hold for a bit, the whole world sanctions would work and Russia would fold.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (NeCi3)

"Two weeks to slow the spread", "just the tip", and other self-serving lies.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 25, 2023 04:26 PM (0D0Oa)

192 "Red red, redred, red red red. Red. Red redred, red."

"Amen."

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:26 PM (Q/6pY)

193 146 I just can't wrap my mind around why they are so sexually aroused about getting us in a hot war with Russia

I don't think they actually are, they're just hot and bothered to keep us active in a military action for as long as possible, now that the earning power of the Afghan war is over.
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I'd also say that the Potato's Junta still looks down on all the Trump voters and think we'll cheer and support any old war because we're patriots. For they don't intend to send their own pampered/neglected darlings. Yet.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 04:26 PM (W+kMI)

194 What are the chances that the muzzies get an H-bomb in exchange?

What conditions? What would they target?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 25, 2023 04:26 PM (W95Ly)

195 It makes it politically easier for Germans to send their tanks. How much it changes things, I doubt much at all.
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Yep. Ukraine can't go on the offense even with tanks. If not for the endless money they would have folded last summer.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:26 PM (4vi12)

196 Funny thing, I believe Revelation says a peacemaker comes from the Balkan countries just about the time a devastating war is going to break out.

I have a vague recollection of a mention an enemy from "the north." Find Israel on a map and scroll north.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 25, 2023 04:26 PM (nfrXX)

197 We're not going to send the first Pronoun Brigade to Ukraine. Nope, most likely, our best warriors will be sent to fight and die in Ukraine, because our politicians fear having experienced warfighters in our military at home.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 25, 2023 04:26 PM (1EFfL)

198 Yeah its... generous interpretation that claims specific locations and people, much less times etc. Revelation was mostly written in obscure, cryptic language called "apocalyptic" on purpose. Partly because it was meant to be as a warning to the Christian community about what was coming from Rome, and partly because the point of the book isn't a play by play of the future, but to give generalities and tell everyone that God wins, eventually, no matter how bad it looks.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:26 PM (0hOvj)

199 ...and its one two three what are we fightin' for;

my prezdent has half a brain;

next stop is the Yookraine;

five six seven open up the pearly gates;

FJB says I gotta fight;

Whoopee! We're all gonna die...

Posted by: Country Joe and the Fish at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (NgqoH)

200
Anyone remember what the "big news" was right before the current classified docs bullshit was? Of course you don't.

It was the chaos at the wide open US border? Remember that disaster? Did it get resolved? Nope; it just went away, just like all the other "hot topics" the Fake News and Deep State feed us every couple of weeks.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (w5ZQf)

201 Good news, comrades !

@GallupNews 3m
President Biden’s latest job approval rating is 41%. https://on.gallup.com/3wvaJYU

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (XF9Gj)

202 So, is Zelensky a millionaire now? that guy has a talent for grift.

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (mnUzy)

203 And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for?
Don't ask me I don't give a damn
Next stop is the Ukraine
And it's five, six, seven, open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopie! We're all gonna die!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (mm9pv)

204 165 So..... Why are we sending Tanks to Ukraine? How will this change the conflict?
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (mm9pv)

In theory if we sent a large number of tanks the Ukrainians could launch counteroffensives that could inflict serious damage to the Russian forces.

So we are sending a small number of tanks.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (eYoxG)

205 Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 04:10 PM (W+kMI)

M1A1 3 gallons to the mile. We also found out in Desert Storm t-72's don't do so well against HEAT rounds. They probably didn't send any M-88 recovery vehicles anyway.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (OgrpQ)

206 ZOD: Elements of 1st Heavy Gorilla Cavalry, 33rd Electroshock Psych Brigade, two battalions of Mechanized Khmer Children Grenadier Guards.

Sometimes I wonder what the Franklin Mint ZOD Limited Edition Chess Set looks like.

And what the monthly payments are.

Posted by: spindrift at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (h5TKJ)

207 197 "Funny thing, I believe Revelation says a peacemaker comes from the Balkan countries just about the time a devastating war is going to break out."

I have a vague recollection of a mention an enemy from "the north." Find Israel on a map and scroll north.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 25, 2023 04:26 PM (nfrXX)

Syria, their historical foe?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (eYoxG)

208 190 Tanks run on Diesel Fuel that contributes to GLOBAL WARMING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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M-1's run on aviation fuel. There's a jet engine inside. BTW, do not walk behind one.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (4vi12)

209 Hopefully better than some of our new ships.

I think our ships are okay. It's the sailors manning them that are the problem, as in when they let perfectly good ships get rammed by super-freighters because the female OOD and the female CIC are in a snit and not talking to each other.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (7yL1h)

210 31 is the loneliest number that I ever knew.

Posted by: Three Dog Zalensky at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (Xrfse)

211 >204 And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for?
Don't ask me I don't give a damn
Next stop is the Ukraine
And it's five, six, seven, open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopie! We're all gonna die!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (mm9pv)

See me at 200. Horde mind

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (NgqoH)

212 206 Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (OgrpQ)

It never rains, snows, or anything in the Ukraine or Russia...

Napoleon outside should have told you.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (Lzpvj)

213 Whoopee! We're all gonna die...
Posted by: Country Joe and the Fish

"CANCEL THEM! We must support the machine at all costs!"
--Rage Against the Machine

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (0hOvj)

214 How will Abrams have time to be the Governor of Georgia and fight in a war in the Ukraine ????

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (mm9pv)

215 Peacemaker= beast And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.
He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life.

Posted by: Revelation at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (2KtPz)

216
This is gonna work out about as well as sending *advisors* to help the South Vietnamese operate US equipment in 1963.

In Praise of Pip

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (63Dwl)

217 M-1's run on aviation fuel. There's a jet engine inside. BTW, do not walk behind one.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (4vi12)

They can also run on diesel, especially if you plan on using the smoke generators.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (OgrpQ)

218 I think they mean 31 tanks... for now.

Requires a lot of specialty ammo too, not exactly something you pick up at Omar's Merchant of Death factory outlet.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (l7lsb)

219 Why are we sending Tanks to Ukraine? How will this change the conflict?
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:22 PM (mm9pv)
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Well, simply put, we are sending the tanks, crews, and support battalion in order to more deeply involve American troops as inextricably as possible before the public figures out what we are doing and makes us stop.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell, your gay friend at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (Mj45H)

220 146 I just can't wrap my mind around why they are so sexually aroused about getting us in a hot war with Russia

My take:
-They are all getting in front of the parade.
- German gov. still wants Russia to win, but public is on Ukr side.
- US gov. is a mixed bag.
- Many politicos do not want to lose their Ukr deals if Russia takes over
- Some are afraid of being exposed
- Many others see bigger opportunities in US defense ind. graft.
- IC has been split for years, and the "NATO is the problem" side is down, so the other side "Russia is the problem" is pouncing.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (W95Ly)

221 209 Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (4vi12)

Stay 7.75-9 feet behind them in the rain and cold like I did yesterday....

taught that to two privates and told them "the early 90s sends its regards."

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (Lzpvj)

222 203 So, is Zelensky a millionaire now? that guy has a talent for grift.
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He has a $30M mansion in Florida. This was before the war. Being a puppet for the CIA pays well.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (4vi12)

223 Grab your pearls, ladies!

@CKeirns 17m

Rep. Omar says the decision to oust her from committees is a “threat to national security”

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (XF9Gj)

224 219 "I think they mean 31 tanks... for now."

Requires a lot of specialty ammo too, not exactly something you pick up at Omar's Merchant of Death factory outlet.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (l7lsb)

They're all out of stock from the Afghan war?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (eYoxG)

225 If nothing else Sundowner repays his earnings back

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (xhxe8)

226 Syria, their historical foe?

Keep going.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (nfrXX)

227 it does seem that an important purpose of out govt supporting ukraine is to be able to accuse anyone who has a different opinion is working for putin.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (kFrCu)

228 Target global population of 500 million.
Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (kOpft)
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Which really doesn't make sense since both Ukraine and Russian populations are collapsing anyway *without* actively shooting at each other.

They are both dying and will fade away soon enough.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (BpYfr)

Those aren't the populations they're aiming to reduce.

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (kOpft)

229
btw, isn't it obvious that kim jong whateverthefuck in korea is mort, and has been for years?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (w5ZQf)

230 Stay 7.75-9 feet behind them in the rain and cold like I did yesterday....

taught that to two privates and told them "the early 90s sends its regards."

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (Lzpvj)

We used to call them $3 million MRE ovens

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (OgrpQ)

231 Grab your pearls, ladies!

@CKeirns 17m

Rep. Omar says the decision to oust her from committees is a “threat to national security”
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (XF9Gj)

Hey Omar, go fuck your brother

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at January 25, 2023 04:31 PM (M+Lyo)

232 > The disciples who were around him at that time, sat on these quotes for a decade or longer before writing them down in Greek, which then was translated into Latin Vulgate, which became the basis for a number of English translations/paraphrases that you are reading now.

Heh. A whooooooooole lot of Christians would be livid to read you describing how the Bible is probably imperfect due to translation issues.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 04:31 PM (eyxn4)

233 OMG, Biden is sending Tank to the Ukraine!
What will Georgia do without a Gov?
-What? What do you mean?
-That's racist!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 25, 2023 04:31 PM (qXBtJ)

234 ZOD Imperial troops is not healthy for children or other living things.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:31 PM (Q/6pY)

235 Zelensky's birthday today.

Hope we're sending him appropriate gifts.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 25, 2023 04:31 PM (2tUFv)

236 218 Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (OgrpQ)

The diesel is for very local maneuvering and acts more as a ground power unit.

Also they will not be called "advisors" or "
combat advisors" when you hear it on the news they will be called Security Forces Assistance Brigade soldiers.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:31 PM (Lzpvj)

237 I think our ships are okay. It's the sailors manning them that are the problem, as in when they let perfectly good ships get rammed by super-freighters because the female OOD and the female CIC are in a snit and not talking to each other.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (7yL1h)

A lot of our ships are rusting away because the Navy needs the maintenance money for pronoun training. Don't you see.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 25, 2023 04:31 PM (Ost2s)

238
it does seem that an important purpose of out govt supporting ukraine is to be able to accuse anyone who has a different opinion is working for putin.
Posted by: gnats local 678

Most Astute Comment of the Day

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 25, 2023 04:31 PM (w5ZQf)

239 Go head Omar, still the beans, double dog dare ya

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (xhxe8)

240 It was all good laughs when Biden was collapsing our society and economy, but now he appears to be trying to get us all killed.

Posted by: Weasel at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (WoIMU)

241 A whooooooooole lot of Christians would be livid to read you describing how the Bible is probably imperfect due to translation issues.

Nah, people have claimed that for nearly 2000 years and its been answered completely and with massive documentation long ago. This is one of those college classroom things that gets passed around before learning the facts, but sounds clever at first pass.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (0hOvj)

242 So the same folks who don't believe that the United States, as a sovereign nation has a right to build a defensive border wall...

Are perfectly happy to send the Ukes tanks.

Because the Ukes, as a sovereign nation have a right to defend their border.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (uLr+K)

243 So we're paying the Ukrainians to fight Russia.

Posted by: Unkaren at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (LPkjK)

244 231 Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (OgrpQ)

I have to be careful what I show the kids from the past, the army really does not appreciate contractors sharing too much of the old ways.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (Lzpvj)

245 They cloned Tank Abrams thirty times?

Posted by: Cosda at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (6TWy6)

246 Roughly paraphrasing:
John Connor: But why nuke Russia, I thought they were our friends now?
T-800: Skynet launched on its targets in Russia, knowing the counterstrike would destroy its enemies here.

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (kOpft)

247 218 M-1's run on aviation fuel. There's a jet engine inside. BTW, do not walk behind one.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:28 PM (4vi12)
They can also run on diesel, especially if you plan on using the smoke generators.
Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death

I don't know, but I would think they would run on straight kerosene. Aviation fuel is kerosene with very strict specs and additives to handle cold weather, etc. If I were designing a tank engine, it would run on straight kerosene, since that is available in most of the world for heating.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (W95Ly)

248 Dang.
Sorry I missed this thread.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (tSMFq)

249 I'll admit my military knowledge is sevrral decades out of date, but I believe the M1 Abrams is still our main battle tank, correct?

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (iDMCJ)

250 And when do we send over "military advisors".

Only a few.

Thousand.

Ok 10,000.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (9ozF+)

251 our best warriors will be sent to fight and die in Ukraine,

This cannot happen. If there is a proverbial hill to die on for those of us still sane, this is it.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 04:33 PM (Xrfse)

252 > Which really doesn't make sense since both Ukraine and Russian populations are collapsing anyway *without* actively shooting at each other.

Adult diapers have outsold baby diapers in Japan for over a decade.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 04:33 PM (eyxn4)

253 233 > The disciples who were around him at that time, sat on these quotes for a decade or longer before writing them down in Greek, which then was translated into Latin Vulgate, which became the basis for a number of English translations/paraphrases that you are reading now.

Heh. A whooooooooole lot of Christians would be livid to read you describing how the Bible is probably imperfect due to translation issues.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 04:31 PM (eyxn4)

That's why the passing down through the apostles and their students and so on is important. People were in the first place read things differently, in the second the translations aren't precisely the same. Absent the Magisterium and Sacred Tradition (which if they are somehow in error doesn't suddenly make any joe's interpretation correct) you're flying blind.

"Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter. "

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:33 PM (eYoxG)

254 With tanks going to Ukraine does that mean the The Gay Pride Parade in Kiev is now cancelled for February 14 ????

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:33 PM (mm9pv)

255 So, is Zelensky a millionaire now? that guy has a talent for grift.
Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 25, 2023 04:27 PM (mnUzy)
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Do you mean "billionaire"? He owned a multi-million dollar home in Florida even before the grift train, errr "war", started.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi, his Palm Beach neighbor at January 25, 2023 04:33 PM (Mj45H)

256 Re: the beast / peacemaker

You don't hear many songs about it specifically.

https://youtu.be/C0_t8ekiYk4

It's by the lead singer of the Pixies. Really great song.

"he told us he loved us..."

Posted by: There is no deep state, there is only the state at January 25, 2023 04:33 PM (QJpW8)

257 Rep. Omar says the decision to oust her from committees is a “threat to national security”

Oh for fucks sake. Hyperbole much, bitch?

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at January 25, 2023 04:33 PM (nxdel)

258 "Already seeing stories that "we" need to rebuild the Uke air force."

... did they have one before?

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 25, 2023 04:33 PM (EPwTz)

259 "Funny thing, I believe Revelation says a peacemaker comes from the Balkan countries just about the time a devastating war is going to break out."

I have a vague recollection of a mention an enemy from "the north." Find Israel on a map and scroll north.

Well if the Dispensationalists are correct, they all missed out on the Rapture - this stuff is supposed to happen years after everyone else gets Left Behind.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:33 PM (l7lsb)

260
The Abram Tank's environmental footprint are tank tread that leave 3 foot ruts and the diesel pools up in.

Poor Greta

Posted by: portlandon at January 25, 2023 04:34 PM (+oR7L)

261 Biden selling weapons to Ukraine while trying to take our guns.

Posted by: squid at January 25, 2023 04:34 PM (HudMh)

262 Funny thing, I believe Revelation says a peacemaker comes from the Balkan countries just about the time a devastating war is going to break out.

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No, but it does say this:

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 25, 2023 04:34 PM (cMXNt)

263 If Trump gets elected he'll start WWIII!

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2023 04:34 PM (ZLI7S)

264 And we all know that the LAST thing anyone in the US government and military care about is the Ukrainian people.

This is ALL about other things ---none of which are good for Deplorable Nation. .

Posted by: Voter theater. at January 25, 2023 04:34 PM (SQmE5)

265
This is fucking lame. I mean, I knew they would do it. But, damn, it still sucks to see it going down. Here we go again.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 04:34 PM (oINRc)

266 Weird slow motion dance towards total war.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 04:34 PM (XvPQV)

267 Tanks run on diesel ?? But where will ukes get diesel?? Germany? Lol

Posted by: runner at January 25, 2023 04:35 PM (Aoizk)

268 And when do we send over "military advisors".

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Send them? They're just gonna sit at home playing war games and billing the DOD account like it was 1999.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2023 04:35 PM (XF9Gj)

269 248 218 M-1's run on aviation fuel. There's a jet engine inside. BTW, do not walk behind on

We need Tesla EV Tanks and charging stations in the Ukraine so that we reduce our Carbon Footprint during wartime !!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:35 PM (mm9pv)

270 I don't know, but I would think they would run on straight kerosene. Aviation fuel is kerosene with very strict specs and additives to handle cold weather, etc. If I were designing a tank engine, it would run on straight kerosene, since that is available in most of the world for heating.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (W95Ly)

They run on Av fuel, diesel, mogas and few others. You can't use the smoke generators if you are running aviation fuel because smoke is generated by dumping it on the turbine hot side. Non diesel would cause an engine fire and fire off the Halon gas killing the tank main system.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 25, 2023 04:35 PM (OgrpQ)

271 And when do we send over "military advisors".
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Just the tip. And we'll pull out before anything goes wrong. Pinky promise.

Posted by: Gen. Mark Milley-Vanilli at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (Mj45H)

272 160 The real risk is that the Russian people decide that they are really in an existential war for their existence, like WWII.

I warned my parents about that factor. Russia has a historically earned fear of being attacked by outsiders. It goes all the way back to the Mongol Yoke, and it hasn't really changed much. Putin is also afraid that an Ukranian government that's not under his influence will be used to hinder the Russian economy, to his detriment and to the detriment of his successor. (Given the WEF, he can worry.) Remember, he warned the West in 2014 that inviting Ukraine into NATO would have consequences. Trump believed him, but the Potato's handlers didn't.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (W+kMI)

273 And into Eglon's belly went the sword, deeply, and then the 'dirt' came out.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (Q/6pY)

274 What happened to all the shit WEurope and US sent already? Gonskyy??

Posted by: runner at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (Aoizk)

275 250 Posted by: Darth Randall at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (iDMCJ)

As a baseline, but it is like saying the F-4 A and F-4 e were identical when not at all.

Essentially the M1A2 is a very different beast than the XM-1, M1, or M1 PI block 4.

Different interior fire control, different C3 suite, and much much much more armor.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (Lzpvj)

276 This is some smart military blogging

Posted by: Yo! now with Ultra MAGA at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (bTQ72)

277 sven: "you know the ones we have consitently canceled the last 30 years..."

So you're saying we'll see Lamont the Big Dummy in his flying car before these new systems/platforms arrive?

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (aXxgO)

278 " Funny thing, I believe Revelation says a peacemaker comes from the Balkan countries just about the time a devastating war is going to break out. "

Isaiah talks about the Assyrian, which some believe is a reference to the Antichrist and would come from that area.

Posted by: squid at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (HudMh)

279 Heh. A whooooooooole lot of Christians would be livid to read you describing how the Bible is probably imperfect due to translation issues.

Are you to say that The King James Version, the New American Standard, the English Standard Version, the Living Bible, The Message and several hundred other copyrighted translations are perfectly faithful and divinely inspired in their translation?

This is why I learned to read the original Hebrew and Greek

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (l7lsb)

280
Rep. Omar says the decision to oust her from committees is a “threat to national security”
Posted by: weft cut-loop

Which nation is she talking about?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (63Dwl)

281 Weird slow motion dance towards total war.

Slowly...then all at once.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (Xrfse)

282
Yeah, but maybe Xi like Lenin (?) is probably thinking that quantity has a quality all on its own.
Posted by: Thrawn

I'm sure that's what they're thinking. Until the PLA troops start turning around and shooting the Chinese NKVD troops in the face. When or if that happens though? Who knows. The gamble is that you can sustain the casualties long enough to defeat the enemy, and before your own troops get snippy with the secret police types.

Oh, and that was Stalin with the quantity/quality quip.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (n+4am)

283 Rep. Omar says the decision to oust her from committees is a “threat to national security”
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Channeling snarky teenager response to Omar - "YOU'RE a threat to national security"

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (fs1hN)

284 'Seditious Seventeen'

And does anyone have a link to the names of these 'patriots'?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (VNGpB)

285
gotta protect ukraine's borders!!

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (w5ZQf)

286 Isn't the 101st (or the 82nd) Airborne division in Romania right now? They can go in to Odessa or Kiev and "advise" the Uke army right away.

Posted by: Thrawn at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (Rl7KJ)

287 Russia has a historically earned fear of being attacked by outsiders. It goes all the way back to the Mongol Yoke, and it hasn't really changed much.

Yeah its a bit irrational, but it is part of their cultural heritage and mindset, and its good to be aware of that when dealing with them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (0hOvj)

288 Already seeing stories that "we" need to rebuild the Uke air force."

... did they have one before?
Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 25, 2023 04:33 PM (EPwTz)

I was in all the papers and online a year ago! How soon they forget.

Posted by: Ghost of Kyiv at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (Ost2s)

289 Other morons, on and off this site, were saying that at CRASH production rates, it would take 5 years to replenish our shells and missiles we've sent. Stinger missile production would take 10 years, at max/wartime production rates to replenish.

I have mixed feelings about this.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (XvPQV)

290 This is some smart military blogging
Posted by: Yo! now with Ultra MAGA at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (bTQ72)

It's out of character for a big dummy.

Posted by: spindrift at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (h5TKJ)

291 What will Putin's first atomic target in CONUS be?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (3BDA1)

292 Isaiah talks about the Assyrian, which some believe is a reference to the Antichrist and would come from that area.

Whereas John the Apostle wrote that there are many Antichrists, and many were contemporary to John's generation.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (l7lsb)

293 270 Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:35 PM (mm9pv)

Don't laugh that idiocy is being sold by the puzzle palace.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:38 PM (Lzpvj)

294 Elon: If you can conquer Russia and Ukraine, you can have Russia and Ukraine.

@ElonMusk: Russia and Ukraine 'bout to kiss the baby.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:38 PM (Q/6pY)

295 Different interior fire control, different C3 suite, and much much much more armor.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (Lzpvj)

Hunter killer system, we were training on it just before I got out (late 90's). Then the USMC got rid off all of the armor divisions about 3 years ago

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 25, 2023 04:38 PM (OgrpQ)

296 The US war machine, that is, our government is out of control.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 25, 2023 04:38 PM (6PgKW)

297 I think though wouldn't bet on it Russia, hence Ukraine uses lots of diesel engines

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:38 PM (xhxe8)

298 The fourth and final horse is pale, upon it rides Death, accompanied by Biden. "They were given authority over a quarter of the earth, to kill with sword, famine and plague, and by means of the beasts of the earth.

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 04:38 PM (mm9pv)

299 We don't refer to the M-1 as a "tank" any more. Now we call it a "Body Positive Self-Propelled Howitzer"

Posted by: Gen. Mark Milley-Vanilli at January 25, 2023 04:39 PM (Mj45H)

300 or longer before writing them down in Greek, which then was translated into Latin Vulgate, which became the basis for a number of English translations/paraphrases that you are reading now.
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also recall that the dead sea scrolls are mostly hebrew, aramiac and some greek. Back in the day, most people transferred information orally. It was common to memorize and repeat things in group settings to standardize the language. There are indeed significant differences in translations. Some groups have very bad translations. Others, reasonable translations, but unreasonable editing.

Posted by: Revelation at January 25, 2023 04:39 PM (eXr6Q)

301 293 "Isaiah talks about the Assyrian, which some believe is a reference to the Antichrist and would come from that area."

Whereas John the Apostle wrote that there are many Antichrists, and many were contemporary to John's generation.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (l7lsb)

There is clearly a general Antichrist, all who are against Christ (and won't necessarily be through all their lives).

It's kind of up to question whether there is an individual Big Bad Antichrist.

More ancient interpretation has typically been about Nero and the Roman Empire, which has some degree of alignment

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:39 PM (eYoxG)

302 Ferd Berfall: We need Tesla EV Tanks and charging stations in the Ukraine so that we reduce our Carbon Footprint during wartime !!!!

You know someone in the hierarchy has proposed something like that. You just know it. Probably an Ivy Leaguer, too. You know, the Smart Set.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (aXxgO)

303 Slightly off topic, but incredibly amusing:

Olbermann Podcast is a Must Today McGonigal, Deripaska, Manafort!

Absolutely!
Lays out the whole Trump Russia timeline .... lest we forget. The dots have all been connected.

Stunning timeline. His work is brilliant and served by
his photographic memory. At he end of his podcast, he reads his comments the day after the 2016 election.

So McGonigal and Comey worked together to cheat Hillary out of the election win?

Yes, as Keith states, THE STORY IS McGonigal, and Comey, who assigned McGonigle to top FBI agent for counterintelligence in New York...seems to me, the media is either ignoring THE STORY, or, the media is getting all their ducks in a row..to go full blast..and rightly so..we can only hope..

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (JCZqz)

304 The Bible's basic message is not some Tarot-like way of finding the future, but trust God and glorify Him. The prophets were not telling people things so they'd know secret future events, they were telling the story of God's redemption and covenant with His people. Its a mistake to start cherrypicking various parts of the Bible to create some magical way of knowing tomorrow.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (0hOvj)

305 Zod!

How are ya?!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (XvPQV)

306 25 219 "I think they mean 31 tanks... for now."

Requires a lot of specialty ammo too, not exactly something you pick up at Omar's Merchant of Death factory outlet.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:29 PM (l7lsb)

They're all out of stock from the Afghan war?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (eYoxG

Hey may be the specialty ammo can be made by and bought from China....aka The Biden Way.
And have the DNC Media Complex rationalize the decision.

Posted by: Voter theater. at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (SQmE5)

307 278 Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (aXxgO)

The M-1 Abrams, Bradley tandem were part of a procurement wide drive to field a 37.5 MPH capable corps.

Force XXI was a similarly integrated and synthesized procurement strategy that we killed to "buy thre Durka Durka Stan war and peace dividend."

Now the Puzzle Palace jerks off to solar powered tactical vehicles.

I am within five years of the family being completely done with the soldiering and contract life and I am thrilled.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (Lzpvj)

308 Sending tanks is a major escalation with Biden making sure all the arms companies are going to get rich with a real risk that we will end up in a direct war with Russia. Biden always wanted to be transformative president and he just might accomplish that by triggering a world war.

In other news, when Biden took over natural gas cost me $1.97/dekatherm.
In December 2022 it cost $7.80 per dekatherm and suddenly went to $13.71/dekatherm with another major increase coming in February - it is not out of bounds to think I could be paying over $20.00/dekatherm in February.

The remaining question is will this lunatic dementia patient bankrupt me or get me killed first.

Posted by: Lost In Space at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (BPEYH)

309 "Whereas John the Apostle wrote that there are many Antichrists, and many were contemporary to John's generation."

Yeah, but it was very strongly a "generally speaking" and "the real deal". Without a singular man embodying antichrist, Revelation is incoherent.

Posted by: squid at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (HudMh)

310 Nostradamus! Let's see what he said...

Posted by: runner at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (Aoizk)

311 Other morons, on and off this site, were saying that at CRASH production rates, it would take 5 years to replenish our shells and missiles we've sent. Stinger missile production would take 10 years, at max/wartime production rates to replenish.

One of the things I would regularly ridicule the "literalists" who pushed the Dispensational view of Revelation is that the battle front is described in terms of horses, chariots and sword.

At the rate the FUSA and others are going through their arsenals and through energy starvation where no one can produce or operate mechanized war tools, we may be back to swords and horses

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:41 PM (l7lsb)

312 our best warriors will be sent to fight and die in Ukraine,

This cannot happen. If there is a proverbial hill to die on for those of us still sane, this is it.
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DC would be a much better use of their talents.

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:41 PM (kOpft)

313 I reckon if we're gonna be blown up I might as well have M&Ms for dinner.

Posted by: Weasel at January 25, 2023 04:41 PM (WoIMU)

314 I shouldn't but sure could use a 20 minute nap

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:41 PM (xhxe8)

315 >>306 Zod! How are ya?!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (XvPQV)

Intact. Yourself? Hope you're well.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:41 PM (Q/6pY)

316 305 The Bible's basic message is not some Tarot-like way of finding the future, but trust God and glorify Him. The prophets were not telling people things so they'd know secret future events, they were telling the story of God's redemption and covenant with His people. Its a mistake to start cherrypicking various parts of the Bible to create some magical way of knowing tomorrow.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (0hOvj)

We're not supposed to be endlessly fretting about tomorrow or the wars at any rate. And are explicitly told that we're not going to know the time of the end.

What's the worst that could happen, martyrdom? That's happened before anyways.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:41 PM (eYoxG)

317 Yeah, but it was very strongly a "generally speaking" and "the real deal". Without a singular man embodying antichrist, Revelation is incoherent.

To chiliasts, but not to Post Mills or to Amills.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:42 PM (l7lsb)

318 Thank goodness I am to old to draft. I'm 29.

I feel for any parent whose sons or daughters are in today's military. Between the Woke crap they are being subjected to and the possibility of this "Administration" sending them to fight in the Ukraine our military is screwed.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 25, 2023 04:42 PM (WsJuq)

319 a singular man embodying antichrist
Posted by: squid at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (HudMh)

@ZOD: Challenge accepted.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:42 PM (Q/6pY)

320 "The trumpet shakes with great discord.
An agreement broken: lifting the face to heaven:
the bloody mouth will swim with blood;
the face anointed with milk and honey lies on the ground"

Posted by: runner at January 25, 2023 04:42 PM (Aoizk)

321
What will Putin's first atomic target in CONUS be?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (3BDA1

President Swalwell or whomever is likelier to go nuclear on the US than Putin is. At least for the foreseeable future.

The thing that might change that is if the US forces we're inevitably going to commit eventually threaten to achieve an actual victory. Which isn't going to happen, because that's not how any of this works anymore.

We're going to trudge and blunder our way into another generation-long conventional war, and we'll lose it in a humiliating fashion that destabilizes a significant portion of the globe, the American Way. We will likely generate a host of new and exciting enemies along the way, but whoever we lose to will enjoy a large transfer of advanced weaponry, a shitload of territory and unquestioned power over their new acquisitions.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 04:43 PM (oINRc)

322 It was common to memorize and repeat things in group settings to standardize the language.

People always like to bring up the "Telephone game" when this topic comes up but there are several flaws with that.

1) People in the past were much more meticulous and careful about memorizing things and passing them on, especially if they considered this to be sacred and holy.
2) There was a lot written down, within a few years of the events, by eyewitnesses, which are quite trustworthy
3) The telephone game ignores the absolute fact that at least some of the people in that chain are going to troll the others and mess with what they pass on. The results are skewed by a couple wiseasses who think its hilarious to change the message.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:43 PM (0hOvj)

323 Zelensky's birthday today.

Hope we're sending him appropriate gifts.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 25, 2023 04:31 PM (2tUFv)

--------

$1 billion in Green Screen operators, equipment, and technology

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 25, 2023 04:43 PM (40GdU)

324 @Christopher Taylor

I don't disagree, but Paul felt it was important enough to address in Thessalonians and John wrote a whole book about it. I do like that the loop from Genesis to Revelation is so perfectly closed in redemption.

Posted by: squid at January 25, 2023 04:43 PM (HudMh)

325 The Bible's basic message is not some Tarot-like way of finding the future, but trust God and glorify Him.

Tell that to Chuck Hagee and the other charlatans who deal in FUD surrounding End Times™

They treat Revelation as a DayTimer for the reprobate.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:43 PM (l7lsb)

326 Guess if we all did not know better(sarc) we'd suspect that Biden is simply trying to bait Putin to going the nuke route.

Posted by: Voter theater. at January 25, 2023 04:44 PM (SQmE5)

327 Essentially the M1A2 is a very different beast than the XM-1, M1, or M1 PI block 4.

Different interior fire control, different C3 suite, and much much much more armor.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (Lzpvj)

Either way, the operators are still DAT's - Dumb Ass Tankers. That's what us grunts called them in the M-60A3 days. Then they got the Abrams and we started calling them C-DAT's - Computerized Dumb Ass Tankers.

And they called us Crunchies. 'Cause that's the sound we made when they ran us over. Heh. Good times.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at January 25, 2023 04:44 PM (7yL1h)

328 274 That’s one of my favorite stories from the Old Testament.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 25, 2023 04:44 PM (atmen)

329 Remember when a few million to build me was all the Democrats outrage and Mitch McConnell along with the Vichy Caucus implied is was wasteful and racist.

Good times. Good times.

Posted by: The Border Wall at January 25, 2023 04:44 PM (paWNQ)

330 >>322 What will Putin's first atomic target in CONUS be?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at January 25, 2023 04:37 PM (3BDA1

(Crosses fingers tightly)

Baltimore. Please, please let it be Baltimore.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:44 PM (Q/6pY)

331 "Post Mills or to Amills."

Which beliefs set you up perfectky to accept the mark of the beast. Good luck.

Posted by: squid at January 25, 2023 04:44 PM (HudMh)

332 Other morons, on and off this site, were saying that at CRASH production rates, it would take 5 years to replenish our shells and missiles we've sent. Stinger missile production would take 10 years, at max/wartime production rates to replenish.

I have mixed feelings about this.

Care to elaborate?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 04:44 PM (Xrfse)

333 At least back then ? 31 tanks ? Without considerable US maintenance support ? None of them will run in 90 days hard field use. Maybe use. She may disagree. I'd trust her opinion over mine.
Posted by: Pentatonic
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No, I don't disagree.

Any maintenance on the M1A1/2/SEPs will require US forces beyond the DS level.
Organizational level, depending on what the unit is comprised of.

If Putin does succeed in getting his hands on American weaponry and vehicles, it's going to get very, very ugly.

Especially when US forces come home in body bags due to being killed by their own equipment.

I'm praying hard, y'all.

Get right with God.

Posted by: SMH at January 25, 2023 04:45 PM (vBjG4)

334 So why haven’t we bombed the snot out of Bagram AB, Bastion, KAF, Shindand, Delaram, etc. where our abandoned military equipment sits? Tough guy “Nobody Fvcks With Biden” sure looks like a wimp on that one. Is this twit just going to let Putin walk in and take it?

Posted by: Java Joe at January 25, 2023 04:45 PM (VsPm9)

335
Thank goodness I am to old to draft. I'm 29.

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My stepson's 14. If it comes to a draft, he's fucked. I am less than happy about the prospects of our genius rulers and their extra smart super plans.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 04:45 PM (oINRc)

336 Wondering... Rejoin or be recalled?

NBCNews, December 7, 2022: Service members kicked out of the U.S. military for refusing Covid vaccine could be allowed to rejoin, officials say

A bill that must be passed soon lifts the military's vaccine mandate, and many of the thousands kicked out for refusing vaccination may be allowed back in uniform.

Posted by: Lola at January 25, 2023 04:45 PM (Wxlzw)

337 And they called us Crunchies. 'Cause that's the sound we made when they ran us over. Heh. Good times.
Posted by: Chairborne!

*snort

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel Lamont is the best Lamont at January 25, 2023 04:46 PM (AD/9l)

338 316 >>306 Zod! How are ya?!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (XvPQV)

Intact. Yourself? Hope you're well.
Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:41 PM (Q/6pY)

Also intact, thank you.
It's good to see you, you're missed when absent.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 04:46 PM (XvPQV)

339 People always like to bring up the "Telephone game" when this topic comes up but there are several flaws with that.

1) People in the past were much more meticulous and careful about memorizing things and passing them on, especially if they considered this to be sacred and holy.
2) There was a lot written down, within a few years of the events, by eyewitnesses, which are quite trustworthy
3) The telephone game ignores the absolute fact that at least some of the people in that chain are going to troll the others and mess with what they pass on. The results are skewed by a couple wiseasses who think its hilarious to change the message.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:43 PM (0hOvj)

Well we had direct students and their direct students involved in the process.

This isn't an issue of original meaning being distorted by a rather nebulous telephone game, it's that you're dependent on the continuation of a tradition among the teaching body (ie priests) in order for the understanding to be reliable. The translation depends on the accuracy of their knowledge and understanding (and divine guidance if you're a Catholic and believe in infallibility).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:46 PM (eYoxG)

340 Either way, the operators are still DAT's - Dumb Ass Tankers. That's what us grunts called them in the M-60A3 days. Then they got the Abrams and we started calling them C-DAT's - Computerized Dumb Ass Tankers.
__

Heh.

Still funny.

Posted by: SMH at January 25, 2023 04:46 PM (vBjG4)

341 I reckon if we're gonna be blown up I might as well have M&Ms for dinner.
Posted by: Weasel at January 25, 2023 04:41 PM (WoIMU)

Plain or peanut?

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 25, 2023 04:46 PM (DRSnL)

342 If Putin does succeed in getting his hands on American weaponry and vehicles, it's going to get very, very ugly.

I am certain the Russians have already gotten our best kit out of Afghanistan and captured from Ukraine.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:46 PM (0hOvj)

343 The Bible's basic message is not some Tarot-like way of finding the future, but trust God and glorify Him. The prophets were not telling people things so they'd know secret future events, they were telling the story of God's redemption and covenant with His people. Its a mistake to start cherrypicking various parts of the Bible to create some magical way of knowing tomorrow.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (0hOvj)

That's a wise observation Christopher. My regards.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at January 25, 2023 04:46 PM (7yL1h)

344 243 So the same folks who don't believe that the United States, as a sovereign nation has a right to build a defensive border wall...

Are perfectly happy to send the Ukes tanks.

Because the Ukes, as a sovereign nation have a right to defend their border.
====
Yeah, that's a perfectly observable contradiction there. Or would be, if it wasn't already proven that D.C. doesn't already run on contradictions. "Alas Babylon!"

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 04:46 PM (W+kMI)

345 334 Posted by: SMH at January 25, 2023 04:45 PM (vBjG4)

I think 9/11 killed the nation, we allowed the security state too much unaccountable power and now we will eat bery bitter fruit from a very poisoned tree.

The good news is this land is blessed with abundant resources, and whoever gets it next will be graced with a period of success before they destroy themselves....

as has happened on THIS soil over and over and over and over again.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:47 PM (Lzpvj)

346 No. Again, the Left didn't care about Vietnam until the drafts ramped up. And the American public was on board with it at first.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 25, 2023 04:47 PM (4IUUf)

347 @ZOD: Challenge accepted.
Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:42 PM (Q/6pY)

Try again, kiddo. You're not the Antichrist. I don't even think you're particularly anti Christ, just an atheist who's not keen on organized religion. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2023 04:47 PM (D+F6R)

348 Posted by: Jordan61 at January 25, 2023 04:46 PM (DRSnL)
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Peanut, of course.

Posted by: Weasel at January 25, 2023 04:47 PM (WoIMU)

349 >>Is this twit just going to let Putin walk in and take it? Posted by: Java Joe at January 25, 2023 04:45 PM (VsPm9)

The Russians won't take it, they'll purchase it from the enlightened locals.

With 8-track players, shitty Toyota trucks, Adibas tracksuit, soccer ball, shower-shoes, boy pron.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (Q/6pY)

350 I have mixed feelings about this.

Care to elaborate?
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 04:44 PM (Xrfse)

On the one hand, our military is getting increasingly unread and unable to fight. Sucks to be Taiwan and South Korea.

On the other hand, the enemy the US military might be directed towards could be morons, so that unreadiness might be a blessing in disguise.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (XvPQV)

351 "about Nero and the Roman Empire"

Nero died in 68. The general belief is John wrote Revelation in 90 AD or thereabouts.

Posted by: squid at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (HudMh)

352 I shouldn't but sure could use a 20 minute nap
Posted by: Skip

Aw, go ahead !

Posted by: JT at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (T4tVD)

353 (and divine guidance if you're a Catholic and believe in infallibility).

I'll assume by "catholic" you mean it in the broader theological sense as "orhtodox Christian" because only a few really screwed up groups disagree with the idea that the Bible is infallible. And that whole "God wants His word to reach His people" thing is a pretty huge factor to consider as well. If God exists, and that's true, then nothing else matters.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (0hOvj)

354 >>Try again, kiddo. You're not the Antichrist. I don't even think you're particularly anti Christ, just an atheist who's not keen on organized religion. Sorry to burst your bubble. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2023 04:47 PM (D+F6R)

No.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (Q/6pY)

355 The term rapture itself is from the Vulgate translation. The wordier use translation from greek to vulgate "we will be caught up" is in latin : rapiemur - which anglicized to rapture.

Posted by: Revelation at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (VZEjN)

356 A bill that must be passed soon lifts the military's vaccine mandate, and many of the thousands kicked out for refusing vaccination may be allowed back in uniform.

Uh, I have a hunch that most of them have moved on.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (Xrfse)

357 Yay! A Nephilim thread!
As in the Days of Noah, eh? What, exactly, were those like?

Posted by: Hairpin Corner Concrete Truck Collision Take Me Now at January 25, 2023 04:49 PM (XtfUH)

358 Agree with sven somewhat, the US government has prohibited millions of acres for land development and exploration

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:49 PM (xhxe8)

359 > Nah, people have claimed that for nearly 2000 years and its been answered completely and with massive documentation long ago.

We have a complete Torah from 1250 and complete New Testament manuscripts from AD 350. Many incomplete fragments exist from before then, but even those show some slight differences. There are long gaps between the actual revelations given to God's Prophets and the extant fragments, and more gaps to complete manuscripts.

Also, the Bible references scripture that isn't in the Bible, so we definitely know the Bible isn't complete.

Further, John 21:25 explicitly tells us the Bible isn't complete, "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."

Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 04:49 PM (eyxn4)

360 351 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (XvPQV)

I described what I do to my foster father, "as politely loading a gun an asshole wants pointed at my head for him."

Pa laughed bitterly.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:49 PM (Lzpvj)

361 On September 16, 1940, the United States instituted the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940, which required all men between the ages of 21 and 45 to register for the draft. This was the first peacetime draft in United States' history.

Posted by: Lola at January 25, 2023 04:49 PM (Wxlzw)

362 ...With 8-track players, shitty Toyota trucks, Adibas tracksuit, soccer ball, shower-shoes, boy pron....

I've never met a shitty Toyota product.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at January 25, 2023 04:49 PM (JCZqz)

363 Lola: "A bill that must be passed soon lifts the military's vaccine mandate, and many of the thousands kicked out for refusing vaccination may be allowed back in uniform."

So that will be the new Cannon Fodder Battalion ordered to the front first in Ukraine/Russia, I presume. 'Cause that's the type of rat-bastard leadership the US now clearly has.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 25, 2023 04:50 PM (aXxgO)

364 354 "(and divine guidance if you're a Catholic and believe in infallibility)."

I'll assume by "catholic" you mean it in the broader theological sense as "orhtodox Christian" because only a few really screwed up groups disagree with the idea that the Bible is infallible. And that whole "God wants His word to reach His people" thing is a pretty huge factor to consider as well. If God exists, and that's true, then nothing else matters.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (0hOvj)

I'm referring specifically to the concept that the Magisterium and Pope will not make erroneous declarations of doctrine. Not that any particular version of the text is infallible.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:50 PM (eYoxG)

365
Speaking of big dummies, remember last week when "vaccinated and horny" Chelsea Handler mentioned she didn't know there was a difference between the sun and the Moon until she was 40?

Well, now she's joking about how she didn't she was taking Ozempic (this has become a ridiculous fad drug for weight loss with the Hollywood crowd). This was an injection, mind you, a weekly injection.

The dingbat was getting shot up with shit by her doctor and didn't even know what the fuck it was for.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at January 25, 2023 04:50 PM (Mzdiz)

366 As in the Days of Noah, eh? What, exactly, were those like?

*shrug* who knows? Not me for sure.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:50 PM (0hOvj)

367 Nowhere close to armageddon, and ain't gonna get close. If you've observed Russian behavior over the last year, and keep the overall framework in mind, nukyler is not on the menu and there's no reason for it to be.

But right in the middle of great idiocy, clearly. The west/US insisted on military integration of Ukraine, even while carefully avoiding formal NATO membership. This was pointless and stupid (for both sides).

And some tanks won't change the bottom line or big picture with this scuffle.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2023 04:50 PM (OTzUX)

368 How soon before we see these tanks sold on the black market and used for "defensive purposes" in Syria or Gaza?

Or maybe the Cartels in Mexico.

Good times ahead.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 25, 2023 04:50 PM (R/m4+)

369 Why Putin invaded is one of life's mysteries, when he could have written Zelensky a personal check for the Donbass and avoided this whole mess..

Posted by: Hunter Biden, entrepreneur and tax expert at January 25, 2023 04:50 PM (Mj45H)

370 I’m more than happy to spend $1 billion (or more) destroying our equipment in AFG to keep Xi and Putin or anyone else from getting hands on. Light it up. Demonstration project for future FAFO.

Posted by: Java Joe at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (VsPm9)

371 >>So McGonigal and Comey worked together to cheat Hillary out of the election win?

These people live in an alternate universe.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (ZLI7S)

372 On the other hand, the enemy the US military might be directed towards could be morons, so that unreadiness might be a blessing in disguise.

Thanks. That may be prophetic.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (Xrfse)

373 It wrecks my night

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (xhxe8)

374 War is good business
Invest your son.

Posted by: Regular joe at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (nnp+f)

375 368 Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2023 04:50 PM (OTzUX)

Glad you still have faith in Foggy Bottom not to overreach, I wish I did.

Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (Lzpvj)

376 Any maintenance on the M1A1/2/SEPs will require US forces beyond the DS level.
Organizational level, depending on what the unit is comprised of.

If Putin does succeed in getting his hands on American weaponry and vehicles, it's going to get very, very ugly.

Especially when US forces come home in body bags due to being killed by their own equipment.

I'm praying hard, y'all.

Get right with God.
Posted by: SMH

--

I was *just* reading a book about Midway that had a page or so mentioning that there are lots of people who think the tide turned because of one crashed but mostly intact Zero (piloted by a man named Koga) allowed the U.S. to study and fly it and learn its weaknesses and how to more easily defeat it. IIRC it led to the development or refinement of the (F6?) Hellcat in pursuit of that goal.

It's crazy how a single little accidental thing like that can turn the tide.

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (q8U4k)

377 No.
Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (Q/6pY)

Yes.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (D+F6R)

378 I'm referring specifically to the concept that the Magisterium and Pope will not make erroneous declarations of doctrine.

Well that's completely distinct from the reliability of scripture.

There are some large denominations around that deny the infallibility of scripture (certain Methodist, Lutheran, and Presbyterian, for example) and at least some leaders in the Roman Catholic Church who do as well. But they are plainly heretical and frankly idiots.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (0hOvj)

379
Further, John 21:25 explicitly tells us the Bible isn't complete, "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."
Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 04:49 PM (eyxn4)

Some of these events are held as Sacred Tradition(doctrinal) and some as ordinary tradition(a lot less sure of) by Catholics.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (eYoxG)

380

The cute Ukrainian refugee chicks are a step up from Guatemalans, ammirite?

Posted by: Auspex at January 25, 2023 04:52 PM (j4U/Z)

381 "Is American MRAP. Two soccer balls, one white Toyota pickup with no bumper."
"Habibi! I sell you this, where does family of Ramzi al-Kaboom live?"
"OK. You drive hard bargain. Two white Toyota pickups, two soccer balls, this teenager."
"Done. We will move into a tent, inshallah."

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:52 PM (Q/6pY)

382 also recall that the dead sea scrolls are mostly hebrew, aramiac and some greek.

None of which contained Revelation - but large chunks of the Hebrew canon and a bunch of odd-ball texts that Council of Nicea rejected.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:52 PM (l7lsb)

383 377. I'm praying hard, y'all.

Get right with God.
Posted by: SMH

Indeed. Thank you.

Posted by: Lola at January 25, 2023 04:53 PM (Wxlzw)

384 366 The dingbat was getting shot up with shit by her doctor and didn't even know what the fuck it was for.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at January 25, 2023 04:50 PM (Mzdiz)

Well at least she's consistent.

Posted by: CppThis at January 25, 2023 04:53 PM (PZvjL)

385
Well that's completely distinct from the reliability of scripture.

There are some large denominations around that deny the infallibility of scripture (certain Methodist, Lutheran, and Presbyterian, for example) and at least some leaders in the Roman Catholic Church who do as well. But they are plainly heretical and frankly idiots.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (0hOvj)

The reliability of Scripture depends on the people passing it on.

The Apostles, then their students, then the students of those students and so on. If the Catholic Church seriously messed things up somewhere down the line, it's not really recoverable unless another correct group had broken off before that point.

The Orthodox and Coptic Bibles also differ somewhat, though they're all Apostolic churches with the same root.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:53 PM (eYoxG)

386 378 No.
Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:48 PM (Q/6pY)

No.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:53 PM (Q/6pY)

387 310 "Whereas John the Apostle wrote that there are many Antichrists, and many were contemporary to John's generation."

Yeah, but it was very strongly a "generally speaking" and "the real deal". Without a singular man embodying antichrist, Revelation is incoherent.
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Jesus though told his disciples that the Day of the LORD would come suddenly, like a thief breaking into a house during the night. If the house's owner knew the time of the thief's arrival, he would've stayed at home instead of going on a journey. I am suspicious that the leaders of this world of Sin have decided to equip the thief with a fully tricked-out Harley-Davidson.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (W+kMI)

388 John 21:25 explicitly tells us the Bible isn't complete

Well that's not an argument for it being incomplete, its an argument for it being not exhaustive. Everything God desires us to know in scripture is in it. Everything whatsoever Jesus did in His life, not so much.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (0hOvj)

389 So the US has unloaded or supplied what......$160-170 billion in military hardware in less than 2 years.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (h3tqt)

390 If the draft is coming back, resist, I say.
Same as the last time.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (jTmQV)

391 "We're closer to Armageddon than we've ever been and that's my word as a Biden, Fat."

I'm fairly confident that American pilots shot down Migs over N. Korea with Russian pilots in the 50s.
Blockading Russian ships carrying nukes to Cuba in the '60s was a bigger deal than a handful of MBT donations today.

I was a kid on an airbase in the '70s and the air raid sirens used to go off every month or so back then.
I haven't heard of even a test for quite a while.

Posted by: Speller at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (pSotA)

392 So.
31 tanks and a brigades worth of other vehicles.
The logistics tail for this will be immense.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (anj39)

393 The reliability of Scripture depends on the people passing it on

...and the will of God. Kind of important to keep in mind.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (0hOvj)

394 "As in the Days of Noah, eh? What, exactly, were those like?"

I think we make too much out of this verse. The context says people were eating, drinking, marrying, giving in marriage. In other words, just going about their business, not attending to God's imminent wrath.

Posted by: squid at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (HudMh)

395 The cute Ukrainian refugee chicks are a step up from Guatemalans, ammirite?
Posted by: Auspex at January 25, 2023 04:52 PM (j4U/Z)

Very

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (XvPQV)

396 Smart move by the Biden Administration; out with the old, non-sustainable weapon systems that run on fossil fuels, and in with the new, next gen ETanks and EAPVs.

When the transition is complete we can conduct war games with Canada. No retreat!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (Jg7EG)

397 There is clearly a general Antichrist, all who are against Christ (and won't necessarily be through all their lives).
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So its actually ANTE Christ. Like in poker the chips you put in to get cards before you bet. Ante diluvian. It means before. So it the before Christ worldly leader who is stan.

Posted by: Revelation at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (6Cib0)

398

Re the sidebar and oldest dateable runestone. What's the oldest "hitable" runestone?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2023 04:55 PM (x0n13)

399 All I know is that someone has to save the young blond females of the Ukraine and that someone is me.

On behalf of the United States government I invite every young Ukrainian girl to send me her photos and I will choose who gets visas. A word to participants: Make sure the photos truly and fully display your beauty.

Posted by: Hunter Biden, Diplomat and Artiste at January 25, 2023 04:55 PM (Mj45H)

400 Re the sidebar and oldest dateable runestone. What's the oldest "hitable" runestone?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 25, 2023 04:55 PM (x0n13)

*winks*

Posted by: Taylor Lorenz at January 25, 2023 04:55 PM (h5TKJ)

401 "As in the Days of Noah, eh? What, exactly, were those like?"

I think we make too much out of this verse. The context says people were eating, drinking, marrying, giving in marriage. In other words, just going about their business, not attending to God's imminent wrath.
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Might i suggest the power of "and"? because it is a time of world wide sin and corruption. and people are still going about their business.

Posted by: Revelation at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (6Cib0)

402 Yulia T was a total smokeshow, especially for a member of the Hollywood-for-uglies class. So yeah, I gotta assume that Uke refugees would be super hawt.

Posted by: CppThis at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (PZvjL)

403 As near as I can tell, the only people who want the US involved in Ukraine also have a vested interest in going to war.

Which is a distinct minority in this country who also have serious political and financial clout.

The people regurgitating the official government who have nothing to gain are willing dupes.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (1EFfL)

404 389
Well that's not an argument for it being incomplete, its an argument for it being not exhaustive. Everything God desires us to know in scripture is in it. Everything whatsoever Jesus did in His life, not so much.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (0hOvj)

You don't have the Book of Enoch because Calvinists broke off from the Catholic and not the Coptic Church. You don't have the deuterocanonical books on account of Luther.

There are three main groups claiming Apostolic teaching as the basis for their version, and the Protestant and Reformed traditions use a reduce version from one of them.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (eYoxG)

405 "Sunt autem et alia multa quae fecit Jesus: quae si scribantur per singula, nec ipsum arbitror mundum capere posse eos, qui scribendi sunt, libros."

Ioannes 21:25

Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (wgAtL)

406 If the draft is coming back, resist, I say.
Same as the last time.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (jTmQV)

I still have my draft card from the 60's.
This time I will burn it.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (anj39)

407 As in the Days of Noah, eh? What, exactly, were those like?
-
I doubt they had the technological capacity to pull off the whole trans freakshow.

Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (kOpft)

408 Like a Runestone cowboy...

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (h3tqt)

409 Not sure what use Russia would have - directly, that is - with much of the US gear in A'stan. Vehicles - spares and training wouldn't seem to make those very useful. Weapons - same considerations, but even more so.

Besides that, getting all that stuff out of there might not be so simple. Rail via Uzbekistan? Seems like only likely route. Via Pakistan could easily be influenced by outside powers, I'd think, not as reliable.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (OTzUX)

410
Hey grandma with the Uke flag flying, clamoring for long range missiles so Zelensky can hit back at Moscow, are you ok with your college age kids being drafted for this shitshow?

Posted by: Just Asking at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (fs1hN)

411 As I a understand it, there are still branches of Christianity that reject the canonical status of the Book of Revelation.

It’s a very difficult Book to understand.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (atmen)

412 So its actually ANTE Christ. Like in poker the chips you put in to get cards before you bet

The best way to think of it is anti- as "in the place of" or "replacing" Christ. Or, the Gospel in general.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (0hOvj)

413 I've never met a shitty Toyota product.

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They only go 280,000 miles before the engine begins consuming oil.

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 25, 2023 04:57 PM (q8U4k)

414
You people speak as if Ukrainians would steal and re-sell military equipment from a hollowed-out imperial sponsor state on the black market.

That's unheard of.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 04:57 PM (oINRc)

415 "Might i suggest the power of "and"?"

I don't comprehend jow and changes what I said.

Posted by: squid at January 25, 2023 04:57 PM (HudMh)

416 At least he isn't sending tanks to kill putin supporters here!

Posted by: raimondo at January 25, 2023 04:57 PM (gK77x)

417 The Daily Daddario is dressed more appropriately for summer tank driving than winter tank driving:

https://tinyurl.com/2uujp9bu

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, being extravagant with Erich von Stroheim at January 25, 2023 04:57 PM (LvTSG)

418 Matthew 24:36

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2023 04:57 PM (va7X5)

419 391. Before (Vietnam, for instance) there was Canada & other nations. How & where now?

Posted by: Lola at January 25, 2023 04:57 PM (Wxlzw)

420 As in the Days of Noah, eh? What, exactly, were those like?

My pet theory is that many of the tales of mythology, particularly stories about the Titans were rooted in Nephilim and the utter evil and depravity of society in the antediluvian world

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:57 PM (l7lsb)

421 The Biden admin has been slow walking support for a while. 31 tanks is a pittance, and pretty much only done because there's no way to abandon Ukraine without a huge blow to the admin. Two lost wars would kill any hope of his admin being anything other than a failure. At the same time, they don't want to fully commit, so they keep steadily increasing. Ironically, it makes the whole situation worse than if they'd simply committed to a large amount of support at the beginning.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (87doB)

422 Well that's not an argument for it being incomplete, its an argument for it being not exhaustive. Everything God desires us to know in scripture is in it. Everything whatsoever Jesus did in His life, not so much.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM
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Amen

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (1EFfL)

423 As I understand things, these tanks have been sitting out in the desert for a while. Might take more that a couple of months to get them to Ukraine.

Posted by: Javems at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (AmoqO)

424
Lloyd Austin and Mark Miley are in charge of the American Military.

Hector and Achilles.

If you want to be frightened, screw the wars and talk to active services members about what their experience with that is all about.

Posted by: Auspex at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (j4U/Z)

425 You don't have the Book of Enoch because Calvinists broke off from the Catholic and not the Coptic Church. You don't have the deuterocanonical books on account of Luther.

Those were always considered questionable and not as high as scripture, even in the Roman Catholic Church. They were never accepted as 100% equal canon, even among their supporters. It wasn't Luther who made that call, he was just one of many theologians through history who did so, but was a more prominent voice.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (0hOvj)

426 > If the Catholic Church seriously messed things up somewhere down the line, it's not really recoverable unless another correct group had broken off before that point.

This ignores the possibility of God following the pattern he followed over and over and over again in the Bible and chose to speak to Prophets.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (eyxn4)

427 I described what I do to my foster father, "as politely loading a gun an asshole wants pointed at my head for him."

Pa laughed bitterly.
Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:49 PM (Lzpvj)

I hear all of that. Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great...

America used to be an example to the world, now I suspect it will be an object lesson to history.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (XvPQV)

428 The Biden admin has been slow walking support for a while. 31 tanks is a pittance,

Not unless you are sending operational tanks.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 04:59 PM (l7lsb)

429 As near as I can tell, the only people who want the US involved in Ukraine also have a vested interest in going to war.

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I've got a feeling that every elected representative that has visited Ukraine for no really good reason over the last year or so (in order to make necessary arrangements and sign papers in person) are all pro-war.

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 25, 2023 04:59 PM (q8U4k)

430 Well that's not an argument for it being incomplete, its an argument for it being not exhaustive. Everything God desires us to know in scripture is in it. Everything whatsoever Jesus did in His life, not so much.
==
except the parts that some people decided to edit out.

and the parts that are in there still, that some people what to take out now. The problem isn't the message, its people aren't great at receiving it.

Posted by: Revelation at January 25, 2023 04:59 PM (SzTRc)

431 >>The logistics tail for this will be immense.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 04:54 PM (anj39)

(Doubles ZOD contract capture staff, implements FAR-expertise-or-death employee mandate, purchases Reston)

Forecast: Clouds, wind, money, approx. 10 feet of accumulation.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 04:59 PM (Q/6pY)

432 Worth noting that the commonly accepted books of the NT quotes both the deuterocanonical books and the book of Enoch.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 04:59 PM (eYoxG)

433 Call me an isolationist. Don't care. There is so much that is wrong here in our homeland that needs fixing. Fuck the Ukraine and fuck Russia.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 04:59 PM (Xrfse)

434 *hugs her DD214 woobie close*

Posted by: SMH at January 25, 2023 04:59 PM (vBjG4)

435
It's fun hearing Leftists say that opposition to our involvement in this war means you love the Russians. Everything comes full circle.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 04:59 PM (oINRc)

436 I've never met a shitty Toyota product.

Their door locks and window cranks were screwy for years. But as an overall product, yeah, superior.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (0hOvj)

437 America used to be an example to the world, now I suspect it will be an object lesson to history.

The world will descend into utter chaos without Pax Americana.

Pirating will be a huge thing again.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (l7lsb)

438 I can't wait for Netflix to come out with a series on WWIII where Zelensky is played by a black woman, and Biden is played by a transman lesbian.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (fs1hN)

439 337 Wondering... Rejoin or be recalled?

NBCNews, December 7, 2022: Service members kicked out of the U.S. military for refusing Covid vaccine could be allowed to rejoin, officials say

A bill that must be passed soon lifts the military's vaccine mandate, and many of the thousands kicked out for refusing vaccination may be allowed back in uniform.
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Or to shorten it, "Oopsie!! We need our Red State fighters who know how everything works to come back!" I hope every last one of them refuses to come back. The junta should pay with shameful defeat for its failures.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (W+kMI)

440 When I think of "as in the days of Noah" I think of the Nephelim taking human wives.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (jTmQV)

441 Hey grandma with the Uke flag flying, clamoring for long range missiles so Zelensky can hit back at Moscow, are you ok with your college age kids being drafted for this shitshow?
Posted by: Just Asking at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (fs1hN)

Yes! As long as they have the china flu vax and are wearing masks!

I love Joe! Yeah Joe! Thanks for my social security Joe! I love Joe! Vote for Joe!

I hate all of you!

Posted by: Granny Karen, cropped haired and bitter faced at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (R/m4+)

442 31 tanks is a pittance

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Who is going to drive them?

Lots of Ukrainian Azov Nazis trained in driving U.S.Abrams tanks?

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (q8U4k)

443 The Book of Enoch is fan fiction, just like the Gospel of Judas.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (XvPQV)

444 Read Saint Thomas Aquinas' Commentary on the Gospel of Saint John. He has a pretty good take on 21:25

Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2023 05:01 PM (wgAtL)

445 Call me an isolationist. Don't care. There is so much that is wrong here in our homeland that needs fixing.

Yeah I have changed a lot over the last 20 years and am in that camp now. I don't want the US to be exactly isolationist, but we need to fix our own back yard before complaining about that guy over the fence.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 05:01 PM (0hOvj)

446 438 America used to be an example to the world, now I suspect it will be an object lesson to history.

The world will descend into utter chaos without Pax Americana.

Pirating will be a huge thing again.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (l7lsb)

It's happened before. It may happen again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 05:01 PM (XvPQV)

447 In case you haven't had enough of the Biden Terror years, hears an article regarding the back-story of the released document of Hunter Biden's claim on paying $49K a month rent for a Biden residence. This shit is crazy. Story from Washington Free Beacon.

https://tinyurl.com/ycy7xras

Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2023 05:01 PM (oiNtH)

448 >>437 I've never met a shitty Toyota product.

You have never driven an Iraqi Toyota pickup, in Iraq.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 05:01 PM (Q/6pY)

449 1. Where's Ace?
2. I know I am in the minority here, but Russia is a real threat and this is a small price to pay to keep them in check. Our $$$, Ukraine's blood. In the grand scheme of things, it's a bargain.

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at January 25, 2023 05:01 PM (5DTn7)

450 Hey grandma with the Uke flag flying, clamoring for long range missiles so Zelensky can hit back at Moscow, are you ok with your college age kids being drafted for this shitshow?

Posted by: Just Asking at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (fs1hN)

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That's what most of the recent 25 million illegal aliens are for.

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 25, 2023 05:01 PM (40GdU)

451 Those were always considered questionable and not as high as scripture, even in the Roman Catholic Church. They were never accepted as 100% equal canon, even among their supporters. It wasn't Luther who made that call, he was just one of many theologians through history who did so, but was a more prominent voice.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (0hOvj)

From an academic perspective the argument is much weaker than made out to be.

You can find Church fathers questioning it, but the majority do not. Removing them runs against the consensus view and not with it. Other books also questioned were not removed. At the end of the day, Luther's theology had serious issues with them suggesting a motive to remove them.

Furthermore, they are regularly referenced in the NT, which while not conclusive itself indicates that the Apostles held them in high opinion.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:02 PM (eYoxG)

452 It wasn't Luther who made that call...

If Luther had his way, there would be no James or Revelation in the Protestant canon

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 05:02 PM (l7lsb)

453 "Any maintenance on the M1A1/2/SEPs will require US forces beyond the DS level."

I instantly knew who the author of this was.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 25, 2023 05:02 PM (KAi1n)

454 Could post Women Warriors but last week no Ukrainians only Russians

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 05:02 PM (xhxe8)

455 Us sending 31 tanks was Germanys requirement to send their 13 tanks.

Yes. 13.

Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2023 05:03 PM (pwExq)

456 417. Perhaps there are some who would be happy to help contain "trouble" thus earning their permanent place in society.

"One never knows how loyalty is born."

Posted by: Lola at January 25, 2023 05:03 PM (Wxlzw)

457 As near as I can tell, the only people who want the US involved in Ukraine also have a vested interest in going to war.

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Nah, though the tiny number of people in our ruling class definitely want it for that reason.

There's a small (but slightly larger) contingent of Americans on the Right who seem unable to let go of the Cold War, and want war with Russia always.

And then there is a sizable portion of the country who wants it because a year's worth of CurrentThing 0.7x firmware flash updates have put their NPCPUs into General Ripper Mode.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 05:03 PM (oINRc)

458 Potato with a Texas drawl:

I will not send American boys 15,000 miles to fight a war Ukrainian boys should be fighting.

Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2023 05:03 PM (gmo/4)

459 444 The Book of Enoch is fan fiction, just like the Gospel of Judas.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (XvPQV)

Agreed, but it makes it clear that there was editorial decision-making involved in the process of assembling the Bible, as it is quoted from elsewhere in the NT.

Unless one believes Luther's process to be inerrant for some reason, you're leaving room for error.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:03 PM (eYoxG)

460 So which chapter in Revelations are we up to now??

Posted by: Jmel at January 25, 2023 05:03 PM (bVhJi)

461 1. Where's Ace?

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Ace has been commenting as Lamont this week -- see the right-side sidebar on the main page for details.

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 25, 2023 05:04 PM (40GdU)

462 I know I am in the minority here, but Russia is a real threat and this is a small price to pay to keep them in check.

Babylon DC is at least two orders of magnitude a greater threat.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 05:04 PM (l7lsb)

463 Pirating will be a huge thing again.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 25, 2023 05:00 PM (l7lsb)
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It already is.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 25, 2023 05:04 PM (87doB)

464 Yeah Luther had times when he struggled mightily with James because it was so works-focused (sanctification) and Revelation is largely so cryptic and fantastical. In the end, he agreed they were canon but had moments.

The thing with Revelation is, people seem to forget the first few chapters which are direct, specific, and dreadful warnings about churches that are straying from the truth of God. That part gets skimmed over to get to the "can I figure out what stock to buy tomorrow from the Bible?" speculation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 05:04 PM (0hOvj)

465 47 Given how complex the Abrams is, I assume the tanks are accompanied by American tank crews.
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How long do you need to get basic proficiency in one? Who's to say the "delay" in sending the tanks wasn't the time needed to quietly bring a bunch of Ukes to the US or Germany and start training them?

Posted by: Impudent Warwick at January 25, 2023 05:04 PM (f/6Wb)

466 "which while not conclusive itself indicates that the Apostles held them in high opinion.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:02 PM (eYoxG)"

On what specific basis or materiality does that argument rest?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2023 05:04 PM (wgAtL)

467 I doubt the US gear in A'stan represents any kind of technical/secret windfall for Moscow or anybody else. Most of it surely is run of the mill stuff that's been around, and completely understood by everyone, for years.

The "Akutan Zero", found in the Aleutians after whatever that secondary Japanese operation up there during Midway was, was brought here to North Island. Navy pilots flew it and indeed came to appreciate its possible weaknesses (one reco if jumped by a Zero: dive, and turn left). The plane sadly was wrecked in a taxi-ing incident at a military airfield just after the war, would have been a great historical item.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2023 05:04 PM (OTzUX)

468 Hey grandma with the Uke flag flying, clamoring for long range missiles so Zelensky can hit back at Moscow, are you ok with your college age kids being drafted for this shitshow?
Posted by: Just Asking

I guarantee she has some formulation of "Yes, fuck dem kids," ready at hand.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2023 05:05 PM (XF9Gj)

469 Ukrainian Nazi Paraphernalia & Western Combat Instructions & Munitions Found In Mariupol Plant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEqdF9rY2i4&t=1s

Posted by: SMH at January 25, 2023 05:05 PM (vBjG4)

470 435 *hugs her DD214 woobie close*

Posted by: SMH at January 25, 2023 04:59 PM (vBjG4)

I sent off for copies of my DD214. They sent back copies of the one I gave them a few years ago. At least they are certified.

Posted by: Javems at January 25, 2023 05:05 PM (AmoqO)

471 450 Russia is not a real threat to the US.

China is.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 25, 2023 05:05 PM (atmen)

472 Potato with a Texas drawl:
I will not send American boys 15,000 miles to fight a war Ukrainian boys should be fighting.
Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2023 05:03 PM (gmo/4)

Wow! Nailed it.

Good times ahead.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 25, 2023 05:05 PM (R/m4+)

473 In case you haven't had enough of the Biden Terror years, hears an article regarding the back-story of the released document of Hunter Biden's claim on paying $49K a month rent for a Biden residence. This shit is crazy. Story from Washington Free Beacon.

https://tinyurl.com/ycy7xras
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o_O

Am I reading that wrong or does her "we're together" statement mean he was banging her?

Maybe I already knew that and just forgot. Jeez, what a f*cked up perverted family of sick p3ed00es Joe and Jill Biden raised.

Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 25, 2023 05:05 PM (q8U4k)

474 I'm an old cold warrior and I don't want to fight Russians.

Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2023 05:05 PM (gmo/4)

475 Unless one believes Luther's process to be inerrant for some reason, you're leaving room for error.

Once again, it was not just Luther. I know he's an easy target for Roman Catholics (because they don't really learn much about his actual motivations and intents) but he didn't decide what was scripture by himself and mind control the world to go along. Even Bibles which contain the Apocrypha put them into a separate section as "not quite scripture."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 05:05 PM (0hOvj)

476 Joe Biden in March of 2022:
"The idea that we're gonna send in offensive equipment and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews ...that's called World War Three, OK? Let's get it straight here, guys"

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Eh, what's the worst that could happen?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 25, 2023 05:06 PM (FVME7)

477 I wonder if this thread will get to 666 comments? If so, I don't want to be the one making it. Heh.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at January 25, 2023 05:06 PM (7yL1h)

478 APNEWS: Reporting from Ukraine indicates that ZOD paid some German kids to stencil black swastikas on all of the Leopard 2 tanks just before they rolled into Ukraine.

"Lighten up, Ivan. Is joke."

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 05:06 PM (Q/6pY)

479 37 It will be amusing if the stuff we send to Ukraine will be facing stuff we sent to Afghanistan.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (Y+l9t)

Nominate for comment of the week!

Posted by: NC Ref at January 25, 2023 05:06 PM (w3DYt)

480 > Everything God desires us to know in scripture is in it.

That is Christian tradition. It's not Biblical and it runs directly counter to the pattern God sets in the Bible.

> Everything whatsoever Jesus did in His life, not so much.

You speak of the death of Jesus as if it were an ending.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 05:06 PM (eyxn4)

481 As I understand things, these tanks have been sitting out in the desert for a while. Might take more that a couple of months to get them to Ukraine.
Posted by: Javems at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (AmoqO)ince we have
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Tanks are included in the 405th prepositioned stocks in Germany and Poland, along with over ten thousand US troops recently deployed, so I'd imagine the Junta will just activate and draw down those stocks.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 25, 2023 05:06 PM (nnFNT)

482 Where's Ace?
2. I know I am in the minority here, but Russia is a real threat and this is a small price to pay to keep them in check. Our $$$, Ukraine's blood. In the grand scheme of things, it's a bargain.

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at January 25, 2023 05:01 PM

Pretty soon it's gonna be our blood as well. No way we keep sending equipment and troops to Ukraine without some collateral damage happening. biden is going to have US soldiers blood on his hands in the very near future if this keeps up.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 25, 2023 05:06 PM (uNylN)

483 Not to worry, Putin wants to purchase the weapons we left behind ($7.12 billion) from our friends in Afghanistan. This will be fun.

Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2023 05:06 PM (oiNtH)

484 Little Z IS the corruption.
He's a putz.

Posted by: Flyover at January 25, 2023 05:07 PM (Rbu5d)

485 Hey grandma with the Uke flag flying, clamoring for long range missiles so Zelensky can hit back at Moscow, are you ok with your college age kids being drafted for this shitshow?
Posted by: Just Asking at January 25, 2023 04:56 PM (fs1hN)

I donated to Democrats for 30 years.

Your kids and grandkids are getting drafted, not mine.

Posted by: Grammy Karen at January 25, 2023 05:07 PM (oINRc)

486 Those were always considered questionable and not as high as scripture, even in the Roman Catholic Church. They were never accepted as 100% equal canon, even among their supporters. It wasn't Luther who made that call, he was just one of many theologians through history who did so, but was a more prominent voice.
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this is sort of inaccurate. St. Jerome and St. Augustine corresponded about this at length. Jerome eventually agreed with Augustine's position. The canon was set accordingly. There was a council and everything. Luther did his editing quite a long time after it was settled, but to be fair, he was starting his own Church and what the heck if you are going to move out might as well build to suit in your new place. At the point he was doing that, he wasn't reforming, he was starting over. I mean I get it - he a point about the corruption of the hierarchy. Still existing problems. I'm not leaving it. They'll have to leave me. That why you get to choose. Everyone hauls their own carcass to market.

Posted by: Revelation at January 25, 2023 05:07 PM (OKZ94)

487 There's a small (but slightly larger) contingent of Americans on the Right who seem unable to let go of the Cold War, and want war with Russia always.
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This is about me, isn't it.

Posted by: Mark Levin at January 25, 2023 05:07 PM (fs1hN)

488 467 "which while not conclusive itself indicates that the Apostles held them in high opinion.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:02 PM (eYoxG)"

On what specific basis or materiality does that argument rest?
Posted by: Marcus T at January 25, 2023 05:04 PM (wgAtL)

In resting lectures from prior texts as them having Scriptural authority, the Apostles show that they believe them to be authentic.

The whole assembly process relied on Apostle X taught from it, or the student of Apostle Y says this is authentic. If there was insufficient substantiation of that nature, or if it was believed to be not divinely revealed though the authentic work of say, Origen, it wasn't included.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:08 PM (eYoxG)

489 When this ahitshow started I said Ukraine was corrupt and not worth our support, with the coda that it was too bad they both couldn't lose.

ace called me a Russian bot. So I got that going for me I guess.

Posted by: blaster at January 25, 2023 05:08 PM (pwExq)

490 Illogical comparisons are as plentiful today as shootings in Chicago.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2023 05:08 PM (va7X5)

491 449 >>437 I've never met a shitty Toyota product.

You have never driven an Iraqi Toyota pickup, in Iraq.
Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 05:01 PM

Well...the Toyota is still a remarkable pickup, but without maintenance, care, proper roads, limited blasts and small arms fire, they'll fall apart, too.

There's a reason you see shitty Toyotas driving around 3rd world shitholes with machine guns mounted to the bed...because no other truck would survive the abuse.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at January 25, 2023 05:08 PM (JCZqz)

492 Is there something significant about the number 31?
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It sounds to me like the highest number they could do without raising alarms among our ever so sleepy populace.

It even ends in "1". Sounds like not a big deal.

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 05:08 PM (BXxcV)

493 Joe Biden on the crackling radio, explaining why we were nuked. Sounds about right.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at January 25, 2023 05:08 PM (ik/65)

494 Our inability to win a war since 1945 makes me question any military intervention.

Posted by: Wally at January 25, 2023 05:08 PM (vMWVi)

495 The downfall of the Biden Administration began when he and his cronies chose a side in this conflict. Fucking Democrats have embraced the corruption of Ukraine.

A true capitalist would not commit to either combatant, but would be selling weapon systems to both sides.

Commies vs. NAZIs? It's Time!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 25, 2023 05:09 PM (Jg7EG)

496 Today 31 tanks, tomorrow 31 hundred victims, I mean soldiers.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2023 05:09 PM (lc5cP)

497 It was a mostly peaceful Armageddon!

Posted by: Our Corrupt Media. Someday Soon at January 25, 2023 05:09 PM (ik/65)

498 Never mind me. A little day drinking on a snowed-in Wednesday afternoon was probably not the best choice. Oh, well. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 25, 2023 05:09 PM (Xrfse)

499 Am I reading that wrong or does her "we're together" statement mean he was banging her?

Maybe I already knew that and just forgot. Jeez, what a f*cked up perverted family of sick p3ed00es Joe and Jill Biden raised.
Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now?

I don't know but they look pretty "close" in the picture accompanying the article. Sounds like she really hated Hallie, jealousy?? Sick is right.

Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2023 05:09 PM (oiNtH)

500
Our inability to win a war since 1945 makes me question any military intervention.
Posted by: Wally at January 25, 2023 05:08 PM (vMWVi)

Funny how that works.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 05:09 PM (oINRc)

501 How long do you need to get basic proficiency in one? Who's to say the "delay" in sending the tanks wasn't the time needed to quietly bring a bunch of Ukes to the US or Germany and start training them?
Posted by: Impudent Warwick
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22 weeks of One Station Unit Training (OSUT), which includes Basic Combat Training and Advanced Individual Training

https://tinyurl.com/3vp9zfxr

Posted by: SMH at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM (vBjG4)

502 OT-I'm assuming that Hunter Biden has secret service protection, Good grief; What an awful assignment. What did they do wrong in their career to get assigned that duty?.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM (D+F6R)

503 We should've sent them 29.99 Abrams.

Is marketing ploy.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM (Q/6pY)

504 As I understand things, these tanks have been sitting out in the desert for a while. Might take more that a couple of months to get them to Ukraine.
Posted by: Javems at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (AmoqO)

They will be loading ships in another day or two.
Ten days to Europe.
Five days to transload to trains to take to processing centers. A week or two to get them up and ready (to include painting green). Another week to move to training areas where they marry up with crews. Then training. Maybe six weeks. Then a week to Ukraine and deploy.
What could go wrong?

Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM (anj39)

505 They cloned Tank Abrams thirty times?
Posted by: Cosda at January 25, 2023 04:32 PM (6TWy6)

A Fattalion?

Posted by: Boswell at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM (+Cgut)

506 I don't like Russia's attacks on Ukraine, destroying a lot of civilian lives. And I don't care all that much if Ukraine has some "ultra-nationals" (are they Nazis in the same sense as Germany's Nazis? idk).

But with all the graft and subterfuge and big bucks expenditures, I really have no good clue on what is going on, at the deepest "strategic levels" ... for DeepState, or for the freedom of "The West". All the devils are active, on all sides. I'm just observing.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM (Cus5s)

507
Once again, it was not just Luther. I know he's an easy target for Roman Catholics (because they don't really learn much about his actual motivations and intents) but he didn't decide what was scripture by himself and mind control the world to go along. Even Bibles which contain the Apocrypha put them into a separate section as "not quite scripture."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 05:05 PM (0hOvj)

And yet all 3 of the Apostolic sects have them. Their removal is from that specific line of theological attack.

This isn't a case of East Christians believe the text to be valid and West Christians don't. This is, globally Christians treated it as valid until the Reformation, though there had occasionally been intellectual debate about them.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM (eYoxG)

508 Our inability to win a war since 1945 makes me question any military intervention.
Posted by: Wally at January 25, 2023 05:08 PM (vMWVi)

Funny how that works.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 05:09 PM

Psst....we won in 1968. But then we just quit and left after we won.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 25, 2023 05:11 PM (uNylN)

509 Unfortunately, Biden is setting us up for the perfect storm of our things over there and us getting attacked over here.

This is just so dumb.

Posted by: Piper at January 25, 2023 05:11 PM (ZdaMQ)

510 If Putin does succeed in getting his hands on American weaponry and vehicles, it's going to get very, very ugly.
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We know Democrats have accused Trump nonstop of being Friends With Russia.

We know Democrats have accused Trump of illegally having Classified Documents.

We know that everything from them is projection.

ie, anyone with a brain knows this little "favor" by to Russia was no accident.

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 05:12 PM (BXxcV)

511 As another comparative note, Calvinists sometimes to rest their views on Augustine, when they are really half-Augustinian. Augustine's two books seemingly introduce a contradiction, which Catholics and the Orthodox embrace and try to resolve. Calvinists drop the Free Will part as incompatible with divine foreknowledge.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:12 PM (eYoxG)

512 And yes, I know we have more than 31 tanks. I am talking about a slippery slope that already started sliding with our military being more concerned with pronouns than fighting wars.

Posted by: Piper at January 25, 2023 05:12 PM (ZdaMQ)

513 Never underestimate the ability of Joe Biden to nuke things up.

Posted by: Post-Apocalypse Zombie Obama at January 25, 2023 05:12 PM (ik/65)

514
Psst....we won in 1968. But then we just quit and left after we won.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 25, 2023 05:11 PM (uNylN)

Sure. And we could have won the WoT, too. Could've done a lot of things. It's almost as if we have the actual enemy inside the wire, or something. Almost.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 05:12 PM (oINRc)

515 510 Unfortunately, Biden is setting us up for the perfect storm of our things over there and us getting attacked over here.

This is just so dumb.
Posted by: Piper at January 25, 2023 05:11 PM

That's conspiratorial nonsense! The US government would never provoke a war to distract from domestic problems, or presidential administration failings!

Posted by: Moron Analyst at January 25, 2023 05:12 PM (JCZqz)

516 472 450 Russia is not a real threat to the US.

China is.
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This is true, the PRC is a more extant and willing danger to the long-term security of the USA. Provided they don't fall apart into 3 Chinas again soon, or that could be a prompt to encourage hostile action towards us. Yet here the Republic today is pledging serious military support to Ukraine versus Russia. It should be accepted as further proof that D.C. is collectively in the PRC's pocket.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 05:13 PM (W+kMI)

517 There’s that saying that all the economists in the world laid end to end would not reach a conclusion.

Sometimes I think the same thing about Christian theologians.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 25, 2023 05:13 PM (atmen)

518 *hugs her DD214 woobie close*
Posted by: SMH

My DD214 gets me a 15% discount on marijuana!

Posted by: SFGoth at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (KAi1n)

519 They will be loading ships in another day or two.
Ten days to Europe.
Five days to transload to trains to take to processing centers. A week or two to get them up and ready (to include painting green). Another week to move to training areas where they marry up with crews. Then training. Maybe six weeks. Then a week to Ukraine and deploy.
What could go wrong?
Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM (anj39)
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They're probably already loaded on trucks and leaving Mannheim. Ukraine will have them tomorrow.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (nnFNT)

520 5
Psst....we won in 1968. But then we just quit and left after we won.

Amusingly Carthage basically did the same thing in the first Punic war.

They kicked Roman ass and presumed the Romans would just...give up.

They didn't - just like our NVA or Jihadi opponents and it was always stupid to think they would.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (lc5cP)

521 >>Then a week to Ukraine and deploy.

Then a Kathryn Bigelow-directed movie with touching personal vignettes, improbable battle scenes, liquor-fueled camaraderie, the formulaic wisecrack/redneck/rulebreaker trio, and a moral-questioning fin.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (Q/6pY)

522 Trump is being allowed back on Facebook and Instagram. There will be much reeeeeing tonight.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (ZLI7S)

523 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 05:09 PM
Psst....we won in 1968. But then we just quit and left after we won.
Posted by: Mister Scott

What's sad is that I really think the US could win if we were legitimate and practical. Our problem started out that our policies were too idealistic, and now they are not only idealistic, but those ideas are decadent and gross.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (W95Ly)

524 Should I send F. Joe my copy of "The Guns of August?" I mean, would it do any good?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (YqDXo)

525 The Speech Biden should give tonight ........

Believing this as I do, I have concluded that I should not permit the Presidency to become involved in the partisan divisions that are developing in this political year.
With America's sons in the fields far away in Ukraine, with America's future under challenge right here at home, with our hopes and the world's hopes for peace in the balance every day, I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office—the Presidency of your country.
Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President.
But let men everywhere know, however, that a strong, a confident, and a vigilant America stands ready tonight to seek an honorable peace—and stands ready tonight to defend an honored cause—whatever the price, whatever the burden, whatever the sacrifice that duty may require.
Thank you for listening. Good night and God bless all of you.

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (mm9pv)

526 Even Bibles which contain the Apocrypha put them into a separate section as "not quite scripture."
==
You would be interested to learn more about the compilation of the bible from a Catholic perspective. It involves a lot of study about the church fathers.

Many people have studied the church fathers and decided to become Catholic. These are generally not stupid people, who were easily swayed from their prior faiths by emotionalism, or ulterior motives. Often they left behind a lot more worldly things than they thought they would gain by changing faiths. Its a more serious subject than a lot of cradle protestants appreciate. Much like a lot of cradle catholics don't appreciate bible study until they get stuck.

Posted by: I'm not scott hahn but at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (wwJIE)

527 42...memba, the goal is to kill Russian and Ukrainian Christians as the democrat's demon lizard spokesman said
Posted by: sockamster, non Rick and Morty viewer at January 25, 2023 04:05 PM (MLrvz)

And this has been the goal all along, for decades.

Posted by: Flyover at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (Rbu5d)

528
Sometimes I think the same thing about Christian theologians.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 25, 2023 05:13 PM (atmen)

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Get right with God.

Posted by: SMH at January 25, 2023 04:45 PM (vBjG4)
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Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (BXxcV)

529 Fortunately our southern border is closed and secure, so there is little threat of our enemies slipping in to the country to set off, oh, I don't know, a dirty bomb.

Posted by: Brian Dead, Esq. at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (ik/65)

530 Psst....we won in 1968. But then we just quit and left after we won.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 25, 2023 05:11 PM (uNylN)
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We won in Iraq. We removed saddam, built a civilian gov, and beat the insurgency into submission.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (87doB)

531 I drive a Mazda and like it, but if I didn't have a Mazda I would probably have a Toyota.

I looked at least one Camry before getting the Mazda, it was okay and the performance was fine but the interior was really spartan and not the most comfortable thing around. Too poor for a truck, SUV, or luxury car, needed more space and headroom than a compact car can provide, which leaves the midsize segment and those--especially used ones--tend to be the barebones rental-company special.

Posted by: CppThis at January 25, 2023 05:15 PM (PZvjL)

532 Is there something significant about the number 31?
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It sounds to me like the highest number they could do without raising alarms among our ever so sleepy populace.

It even ends in "1". Sounds like not a big deal.
Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 05:08 PM (BXxcV)
***

In old (1990's) Russian military Order of Battle, which the Ukes follow, mostly, 31 is the number of tanks in a tank battalion.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 05:15 PM (anj39)

533 OT-I'm assuming that Hunter Biden has secret service protection, Good grief; What an awful assignment. What did they do wrong in their career to get assigned that duty?.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

He gets the good shit.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 25, 2023 05:15 PM (h3tqt)

534 OT-I'm assuming that Hunter Biden has secret service protection, Good grief; What an awful assignment. What did they do wrong in their career to get assigned that duty?.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at J

To be honest, I would choose protecting Hunter over Joe. At least with Hunter there is some entertainment value.

Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2023 05:15 PM (oiNtH)

535 Psst....we won in 1968. But then we just quit and left after we won.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 25, 2023 05:11 PM (uNylN)

But in the end, everything turned out the same as it would have if we had never went.

We're the Indiana Jones of armies now. A lot of heroism that ultimately changes nothing.

Posted by: Wally at January 25, 2023 05:16 PM (vMWVi)

536 What could go wrong?

Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM (anj39)

I was in Battalion Maintenance during Reforger. Lots.

Posted by: Javems at January 25, 2023 05:16 PM (AmoqO)

537 I'd be more curious WHEN those Abrams will actually be delivered.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 05:16 PM (UVyKP)

538 482 As I understand things, these tanks have been sitting out in the desert for a while. Might take more that a couple of months to get them to Ukraine.
Posted by: Javems at January 25, 2023 04:58 PM (AmoqO)ince we have
=================
Tanks are included in the 405th prepositioned stocks in Germany and Poland, along with over ten thousand US troops recently deployed, so I'd imagine the Junta will just activate and draw down those stocks.
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hadn't thought of that. just put 31 tanks and the support materials on a train and send it to the Ukraine. I wonder if the Russians might have that train route in mind?

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 05:16 PM (W+kMI)

539 OT-I'm assuming that Hunter Biden has secret service protection, Good grief; What an awful assignment. What did they do wrong in their career to get assigned that duty?.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM (D+F6R)

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Voted for Trump.

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 25, 2023 05:16 PM (iur9C)

540 In old (1990's) Russian military Order of Battle, which the Ukes follow, mostly, 31 is the number of tanks in a tank battalion.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 05:15 PM (anj39)

Fair enough then. It's also the number of dingleberries on Joe's chin.

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 05:16 PM (BXxcV)

541 Remember, the borders of Ukraine are sancrosanct because they come from the ancient days of um...1991.

The borders of Israel only come from 1968 though so of course they should negotiate with the Palis.

Also, America took the southwest in the 1840s so, obviously it really belongs to Mexico.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 25, 2023 05:16 PM (lc5cP)

542 I would hang with Hunter why the hell not? he's all right

meanwhile ... this is scary: (delete space)

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/ new-diagnosis-codes-for-covid-19

Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 25, 2023 05:16 PM (w0NJk)

543 And yes, I know we have more than 31 tanks. I am talking about a slippery slope that already started sliding with our military being more concerned with pronouns than fighting wars.
Posted by: Piper at January 25, 2023 05:12 PM (ZdaMQ)
______________

Next thing you know, Biden will send over the 101st Prancercizers to "help" the Ukies.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 25, 2023 05:16 PM (YqDXo)

544 So, we are arming BOTH sides now?

Ffs, beam me up, Scotty.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2023 05:17 PM (LzLXY)

545 Unreal: WH Claims Biden Has Been Lowering Inflation “For The Last Two Years”

-
And yet, some of you are still not satisfied.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 25, 2023 05:17 PM (FVME7)

546 I will say this, tapping my Mazda's accelerator when the light turns green at a multilane intersection and instantly putting about five car lengths between me and all the other cars never ceases to amuse. Zoom Zoom, muthafuckas!

Posted by: CppThis at January 25, 2023 05:17 PM (PZvjL)

547 *sings*

Hey, there all you trannies dear
Uncle Sam's got a bug up his rear
President Biden's Broken brain
Wants to fight Ruskies in old Ukraine
So, jump in a tank, and off you fly
Another ten percent for the Big Guy

And it's 1,2,3 What're we fighting for?
Don't ask me I'm not insane
Like President Broken Brain
And 5,6,7 open up them pearly gates
If you wanna know why you're gonna die
Cuz of ten percent for the Big Guy
...

Posted by: Zombie Country Joe and the Fish at January 25, 2023 05:18 PM (KLPy8)

548 M1A Abrams > bitcoin

.000000001 Abrams = 1 bitcoin

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 05:18 PM (Q/6pY)

549 >>OT-I'm assuming that Hunter Biden has secret service protection, Good grief; What an awful assignment. What did they do wrong in their career to get assigned that duty?.

Hunter has been renting a massive estate in California for months. The SS assigned to him has a place across the street.

Not so tough.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2023 05:18 PM (ZLI7S)

550 493 Is there something significant about the number 31?
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If they still use the old Soviet-style org:

3 tanks per platoon

3 platoons + 1 CO tank per company (10)

3 companies +1 CO tank per battalion (31)

That doesn't leave any spares for "in the shop" though.

Posted by: Impudent Warwick at January 25, 2023 05:18 PM (f/6Wb)

551 There is not a chance in hell the Ukrainians will be able to keep these tanks up and running. This means US Troops are going to be in an active theater of war keeping them running. That is like one step away from actually manning them and engaging in hostilities with the Russians. Fuck.

Posted by: Lost In Space at January 25, 2023 05:19 PM (BPEYH)

552 529 Yep. Which is why, though I find it interesting, I try not to pay much attention to what theologians say. Just read the Bible.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 25, 2023 05:19 PM (atmen)

553 31 is an unlucky number, for it is the number of Herbert, and Hoover, and Herbert Hoover. A mighty crash signals the end.

Posted by: Nostradumbass at January 25, 2023 05:19 PM (ppBhU)

554 Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2023 05:15 PM (oiNtH)

You have a good point, and I guess the entertainment value would be there, but at least with Biden you could say "The old coot is out of it, but this is my job" whereas with Hunter you know he's still got a working brain-supposedly

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2023 05:19 PM (D+F6R)

555 At some point Russia is going to target a US asset outside Ukr.

Why not? Use a cutout, plausible deniability, but everyone will know.

Then we will be in WWIII

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 25, 2023 05:19 PM (W95Ly)

556 If anything Sundowner and Democrats are going after Russia to cover their Chinese tracks

Posted by: Skip at January 25, 2023 05:19 PM (xhxe8)

557 I don't want to say that it's the end of the world but this waterfall is "falling" up.

https://bit.ly/3j2O1UU

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 25, 2023 05:19 PM (FVME7)

558 They will be loading ships in another day or two.
Ten days to Europe....Then a week to Ukraine and deploy.
What could go wrong?
Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 05:10 PM

Soon.

Posted by: Russian Sub commander eyeing Lusitania II through a periscope at January 25, 2023 05:19 PM (JCZqz)

559 What they lack in negotiating skills
they make up for with OUR military equipment.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 25, 2023 05:19 PM (+wfSw)

560 525 Should I send F. Joe my copy of "The Guns of August?" I mean, would it do any good?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (YqDXo)

Well, it does increase the odds that he'll claim to have written it so...yeah, go for it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (XvPQV)

561 547 I will say this, tapping my Mazda's accelerator when the light turns green at a multilane intersection and instantly putting about five car lengths between me and all the other cars never ceases to amuse. Zoom Zoom, muthafuckas!
Posted by: CppThis

Just make certain some idiot isn't running the red light and broadsides you.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (LzLXY)

562
Voted for Trump.
Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 25, 2023 05:16 PM (iur9C)

That may very well be true. I hadn't thought of that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (D+F6R)

563 534 OT-I'm assuming that Hunter Biden has secret service protection, Good grief; What an awful assignment. What did they do wrong in their career to get assigned that duty?.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

He gets the good shit.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 25, 2023 05:15 PM (h3tqt)

women and drugs.

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (mnUzy)

564 31 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do. It's the loneliest number since the number one.

Posted by: ZOD at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (Q/6pY)

565 So, we are arming BOTH sides now?

Ffs, beam me up, Scotty.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2023 05:17 PM (LzLXY)

Anyone who pays attention to my annoying bipolar schizophrenic faux-intellectual never-funny Groundhog Day rantings will know that I have said from Day 1 "we" are on both sides of this thing, and that one day it shall be known.

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (BXxcV)

566 Nah, its nothing like Vietnam!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:04 PM (0hOvj)

The difference is the Russians are playing the role of the foreign power with troops on the ground.

They haven't even gotten to the hard part yet, which is pacifying the place after you've conquered it.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 04:06 PM (wGeit)

The parts they have annexed so far want to be Russian pretty badly. Funny how 8 years of being bombarded by your "government" because France and Germany lied about enforcing a peace deal does that.

They will likely take a few more areas - Odessa and Kharkov and not bother to occupy the rest. Maybe they will give a slice to Poland for laughs. Leave the rump with no industry and a big city to feed and its likely no threat.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (eoQWY)

567 Psst....we won in 1968. But then we just quit and left after we won.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 25, 2023 05:11 PM (uNylN)

We won in 1953 also. And if you use 1945 as your basis as the last war won you have to ignore that we lost all of Eastern Europe to the country that attacked Poland at the same time as Hitler.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (va7X5)

568 "I wonder if the Russians might have that train route in mind?"

Russkis regularly add a statement to their pronouncements about how facilities and rail involved in transport of western military supplies are "legitimate targets" for them. But they have not actually attacked them, much.

Some warehouses and training areas in the west, some intermittent attacks on rail infrastructure in the east and southeast (mostly on electrical infrastructure, and rather logically on the one major diesel-locomotive service center, as the Ukes really need more diesel-powered traction, as they can't protect or always instantly restore their power grid).

Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (OTzUX)

569 Posted by: JackStraw at January 25, 2023 05:18 PM (ZLI7S)

I'm not thinking it's tough. Just thankless.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (D+F6R)

570 Just make certain some idiot isn't running the red light and broadsides you.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (LzLXY)

Yeah, here it's light turns green, you wait to see if anyone is running it, then go.

Everyone does it. It has become the norm.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 25, 2023 05:21 PM (UuD2k)

571 Today Joey Biden announced Operation Linebacker III in order to not let the Ukraine conflict get out of control. However he stated there will be no Bombs Dropped above the 17th parallel.

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 25, 2023 05:21 PM (mm9pv)

572 Was listening to Howie Carr and one of the callers mentioned that the Russians were going to acquire from the Taliban some of those American weapons gifted to them by Biden...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 25, 2023 05:21 PM (TGPs7)

573 554 31 is an unlucky number, for it is the number of Herbert, and Hoover, and Herbert Hoover. A mighty crash signals the end.
Posted by: Nostradumbass at January 25, 2023 05:19 PM

Speaking of unlucky, Herbert and Hoover, H&H....a not so subtle dog whistle for you Nazi Rethuglican traitors!!!

Posted by: Delusional Leftist at January 25, 2023 05:21 PM (JCZqz)

574 Ass cancer is > McConnell > Joe Biden

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 25, 2023 05:22 PM (D25PY)

575 >>>Jazz Shaw isn't buying the "Zelensky is a corruption-fighter" spin from the Establishment press.

He ran on an anti-corruption platform, and I had high hopes for him at one time. But that train has sailed.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 25, 2023 05:22 PM (PyOKD)

576
To be honest, I would choose protecting Hunter over Joe. At least with Hunter there is some entertainment value.
Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2023 05:15 PM (oiNtH)

I don't know Hunter, of course, but I suspect a lot of his behavior is down to being deeply unhappy with having to be the Son of Brandon. Which probably means he has a soul somewhere in there. Unlike Brandon, who by all appearances seems to have led an utterly remorseless life of grifting, power-seeking, and sniffing the hair of young girls.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 25, 2023 05:22 PM (oINRc)

577 I saw Sundowner and the Democrats open for
Stalin and the Hand Gunners.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 25, 2023 05:22 PM (+wfSw)

578 Thirty one tanks are not a game changer under any circumstances. Consequently all they are is a big poke in the eye to the Russians. And as any fool knows you don't poke a bear. Especially a nuclear armed one.
==
I think it was an announced inducement to get the Germans to allow the use of their tanks already very close to the front.

I'll be shocked if they ever see Ukraine. There are going to "delayed" multiple times.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 05:22 PM (UVyKP)

579 Should I send F. Joe my copy of "The Guns of August?" I mean, would it do any good?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM (YqDXo)

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Is it a coloring book?

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 25, 2023 05:22 PM (JVjcU)

580 Cuz of ten percent for the Big Guy
...
Posted by: Zombie Country Joe and the Fish at January 25, 2023 05:18 PM (KLPy

If one has to have a ear worm today, thats a good one!

Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 05:23 PM (anj39)

581 Hunter has been renting a massive estate in California for months. The SS assigned to him has a place across the street.

Not so tough.
Posted by: JackStraw

Especially compared to the horror stories I have read from prior SS that had to follow Hillary around. She and Huma treated them like indentured slaves and Hillary was her usual horrible self. With Joe, you'd have to follow him smelling his filling diaper all day.

Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2023 05:23 PM (oiNtH)

582 Why not? Use a cutout, plausible deniability, but everyone will know.

Then we will be in WWIII
==
Russian don't take a dump without a plan.

Russians play chess. He's got other pieces that will move.

Posted by: I'm not sure what tho at January 25, 2023 05:23 PM (VZEjN)

583 At least back then ? 31 tanks ? Without considerable US maintenance support ? None of them will run in 90 days hard field use. Maybe use. She may disagree. I'd trust her opinion over mine.
Posted by: Pentatonic at January 25, 2023 04:05 PM (aenZi)

The Ukrainians know how to fix tanks. They were a major tank manufacturer and maintainer before the war. Tanks that need a major overhaul can be shipped to Germany and fixed by the US, just like Ukrainian Soviet-era tanks are being upgraded in Poland today.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 04:09 PM (wGeit)

This may no longer be the case with every able bodied man dragooned into the army and sent into the meatgrinder. Much of that industrial area is where the fighting is right now, or close to it. A good slice of the remainder is likely to fall before too long.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:23 PM (eoQWY)

584 Hammertime:

https://tinyurl.com/4wh378w6

Posted by: SMH at January 25, 2023 05:23 PM (vBjG4)

585 We all hail our new Ewok Overlord Lamont the Big Dummy...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 25, 2023 05:24 PM (TGPs7)

586 "We're closer to Armageddon than we've ever been and that's my word as a Biden, Fat."

Frankly, given how batshit crazy this country has become and how provocative it has acted since at least 2014, Putin would be almost rational vaporizing us at this point. People need to realize The Helps and Hos in the administrative state and political classes have brought us to the brink of war to pay for Kayla's dance lessons.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 25, 2023 05:24 PM (KSNKu)

587 Biden to Send 31 Abrams Tanks to Kill Russians in Ukraine
—Lamont the Big Dummy
..........

I think Biden is the Big Dummy.

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2023 05:24 PM (v0R5T)

588 562 Just make certain some idiot isn't running the red light and broadsides you.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (LzLXY)

I'm careful and observant (and have dodged several such fools). It stops just as fast as it starts...one of the things that makes Mazdas more sporty is they use lightweight materials, so there's better agility. I feel it on turns too.

Posted by: CppThis at January 25, 2023 05:24 PM (PZvjL)

589 They can use 30 of them for spare parts to keep the other one running, assuming they can find a qualified service center to honor the warranty.

Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2023 05:24 PM (rqgpJ)

590 Hope the trannies all enjoy being shipped off with their fluffy handbags in another useless profiteering excursion for our oligarchs.

Sorry I mean... "America, Fuck Yeah!!!!"

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 05:24 PM (BXxcV)

591 Washington said it had no evidence western funds were being misused
........

Washington the Big Dummy

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2023 05:25 PM (v0R5T)

592 Hi Horde.

I spent the morning boxing books for my move, and now I'm at the library for their winter used book sale.

I may have a problem.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at January 25, 2023 05:25 PM (jKVRX)

593 519 *hugs her DD214 woobie close*
Posted by: SMH

My DD214 gets me a 15% discount on marijuana!
Posted by: SFGoth at January 25, 2023 05:14 PM
I just checked mine. Yep, still good. Just like the Oath.

Posted by: Eromero at January 25, 2023 05:25 PM (0OP+5)

594 I don't know Hunter, of course, but I suspect a lot of his behavior is down to being deeply unhappy with having to be the Son of Brandon. Which probably means he has a soul somewhere in there. Unlike Brandon, who by all appearances seems to have led an utterly remorseless life of grifting, power-seeking, and sniffing the hair of young girls.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

Agree. In the article I linked, he and his cousin Caroling talk about how fucked up their families are.

Posted by: Cheri at January 25, 2023 05:26 PM (oiNtH)

595 Hypersonic nuclear tipped Soviet missiles > DC

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 25, 2023 05:26 PM (D25PY)

596 593 Hi Horde.

I spent the morning boxing books for my move, and now I'm at the library for their winter used book sale.

I may have a problem.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at January 25, 2023 05:25 PM (jKVRX)

Any Agatha Christie?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 05:26 PM (XvPQV)

597 > I try not to pay much attention to what theologians say. Just read the Bible.

It's funny how many "Christian traditions" fall apart when you ignore the theologians and start digging into the Bible. Example: Where does it say in the Bible that God would simply stop following the pattern He followed over and over and over again of revelation via the Prophets?

Nowhere.

It does, however, say that God doesn't do anything without first revealing His secrets to the Prophets. (Amos 3:7)

Does any Christian person really believe God has ceased to act? Do Christians believe all the acts of God are right there and nothing else is to be revealed?

A lot of people will argue the Bible contains everything we "need to know." That's not scriptural. I refer you again to Amos 3:7.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 05:26 PM (eyxn4)

598 I do remember seeing a guy really flagrantly run a red light after the other side had been green for a while when I was in college. Crappy little wannabe sports car, red of course. It was memorable because I was riding on the bus that hit it.

Posted by: CppThis at January 25, 2023 05:26 PM (PZvjL)

599 They can use 30 of them for spare parts to keep the other one running, assuming they can find a qualified service center to honor the warranty.
Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2023 05:24 PM (rqgpJ)
........

and AAA to tow it to the shop.

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2023 05:27 PM (v0R5T)

600 meanwhile ... this is scary: (delete space)

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/ new-diagnosis-codes-for-covid-19
Posted by: BlackOrchid

Killer Joe Scarborough is all upset some vicious smart asses made fun of him being quadruple vaxxed and still catching covid.

https://bit.ly/3H1pWWo

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 25, 2023 05:27 PM (FVME7)

601 Might be interesting to see what a Uke-driven Abrams could do against a Russky-driven T-14 or T-90.

We know that the self-propelled wringer washers the Sovs dealt out to Saddam (T-72s) are no match, but the T-14 and the T-90 are a lot more up-to-date.

It's not like the Russians don't already know everything there is to know about the Abrams, given the way we've been handing them out like candy and abandoning them on battlefields for the last 40 years. Hell, we even gave the Egyptians the technology to produce their own.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 25, 2023 05:27 PM (bW8dp)

602 Speaking of Hunter...nood Hunter

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 25, 2023 05:27 PM (XvPQV)

603 >>> we lost all of Eastern Europe to the country that attacked Poland at the same time as Hitler.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (va7X5)
================

We gave it away.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 25, 2023 05:27 PM (+wfSw)

604 I think Osama Obama tasked Slow Joe Biden with keeping track of the funds for his "infastructure" monies years ago.

Posted by: Baldy at January 25, 2023 05:27 PM (nVO1c)

605 Pretty sure those tanks will be target practice for the Russians

Posted by: It's me donna at January 25, 2023 05:28 PM (bs+z0)

606 Like so much in life, our policy in this should be guided by understanding what we know, and what we don't know, and by the relative risks of the unknowns.

For example, how SURE are we that escalating our supply of proxy-warfighting equipment isn't going to cross a true red line for Ivan, that makes him counter-escalate by, say, shelling or rocketing supply lines in Poland or Germany?

And even if Ivan presently intends to only send only a warning shot assuming we will then back down, how SURE are we that the response of other NATO members (such as Poland) doesn't then cause a direct NATO response that Ivan can't ignore as a direct act of war?

And God Forbid even the Moron in chief goes face down in his mashed potatoes in the midst of this, how SURE are we that the Diversity Hire In Chief won't just panic and order some stupid "surgical air strike" on Russian positions?

Remember when "stability" was an actual goal in foreign policy? F*cking children.

Posted by: Zek at January 25, 2023 05:28 PM (5FPX4)

607 603 Speaking of Hunter...nood Hunter
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No one wants to see a nood Hunter.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 05:29 PM (W+kMI)

608 Eh... no. The Abrams is pretty outdated at this point. The best tank in 2023 is probably the Korean K2.
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Yep. The Marines are getting rid of their tanks. Too costly and rediculously hard to deploy. You can do the job of a tank with UAVs and pinpoint artillery.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 25, 2023 04:15 PM (4vi12)
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Our military is not being built for mass conflict anymore. The Abrams still kills better than anyone. But drones and other small mobile delivery systems are making tanks obsolete. We are building a bunch of super carriers, maintaining our old super carriers, and building appropriate support ships. Then use small mobile forces to handle most of the direct fighting, while naval airpower wipes out the bigger threat. Fighting is changing.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 05:29 PM (UVyKP)

609 Biden to Send 31 Abrams Tanks to Kill Russians in Ukraine
—Lamont the Big Dummy
..........

We are focused in the tank number. But if the equipment list is correct, we are equipping an entire Brigade, or Regiment in Ukraine order of battle. Including artillery. This is significant.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 05:29 PM (anj39)

610 This is the simply the latest flailing move by the Biden National Security Brain Trust. Will these US and NATO tanks ensure the Ukrainians push the Russkies out of occupied territory, or kill so many Russian tanks that Vlad throws in the towel? If not, why gift them to Zelenskey? By the way, Joe, what are YOUR actual Ukrainian victory conditions? "As long as it takes" is not really a plan.

The Junta has been in Charlie Foxtrot mode on Ukraine for over a year, if you add-on the pre-invasion sanctions threats and Joe's big talk. Yet I can't see a light at the end of this Charlie Foxtrot tunnel.

Posted by: Gref at January 25, 2023 05:29 PM (AMIL/)

611 It's funny how many "Christian traditions" fall apart when you ignore the theologians and start digging into the Bible. Example: Where does it say in the Bible that God would simply stop following the pattern He followed over and over and over again of revelation via the Prophets?

Nowhere.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 05:26 PM (eyxn4)

Apply that to the Chief Priest role and the Papacy hmmmm?

The problem with the Mormon narrative, while this would allow for a break and then resumption of a true tradition, is :

1. This has actually happened a number of times before. This is why Catholics teach that God is not going to secretly refound the religion through a charismatic leader of some sort.
2. Why does it make sense that there'd be a sudden and very long break in tradition, followed by resumption from a very small number of people? Christianity directly followed from authentic and true Jewish practice. There wasn't a skip, let alone a millenia long one.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:29 PM (eYoxG)

612 Killer Joe Scarborough is all upset some vicious smart asses made fun of him being quadruple vaxxed and still catching covid.

https://bit.ly/3H1pWWo

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 25, 2023 05:27 PM (FVME7)

It worked out in the end because with treatment they figured out he has advanced AIDS.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2023 05:30 PM (QRdjz)

613 Why are AFVs of any kind being sent to Ukraine?

The Ukrainians are trying to make up for a lack in firepower with superior mobility. And it's working, to some extent.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 04:12 PM (wGeit)

The part of the country being fought over now is hilly, poorly roaded by Western standards, forested, and every village and hill between villages has been fortified for 8 years. The Russians latest change is that they are doing to same to the areas they hold now.

The Thunder Runs that induced the fall retreats - possibly executed by actual NATO personnel - had some effect over the very lightly held 'side areas'. Russia has since raised 300,000 more men and activated an unknown amount of regular troops to avoid a repeat. And the Thunder Runs didn't lose the Russian anything but ground and pride - a cut off garrison was extracted a week or so later by a counteroffensive before retiring to the new line. At present these gains in the east are being taken back methodically.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:30 PM (eoQWY)

614 582 Hunter has been renting a massive estate in California for months. The SS assigned to him has a place across the street.

Not so tough.
Posted by: JackStraw

Especially compared to the horror stories I have read from prior SS that had to follow Hillary around. She and Huma treated them like indentured slaves and Hillary was her usual horrible self. With Joe, you'd have to follow him smelling his filling diaper all day.
Posted by: Cheri
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From what I've seen of them with Obama
they are over at Hunter's partying.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 25, 2023 05:30 PM (+wfSw)

615 Putin is plotting to grab weapons seized by the Taliban during the US evacuation of Afghanistan
........

So our tanks are going to be shot at by our weapons.
Brilliant.

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2023 05:31 PM (v0R5T)

616
Code Number Z28.310

AKA Vaccine denier. A Z-28. Used to be a decent Chevy.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 25, 2023 05:31 PM (enJYY)

617 I try not to pay much attention to what theologians say. Just read the Bible.

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Frankie Hollywood says homosexuality shouldn't be illegally.

https://bit.ly/3DeXuQ3

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 25, 2023 05:31 PM (FVME7)

618 Anyone who pays attention to my annoying bipolar schizophrenic faux-intellectual never-funny Groundhog Day rantings will know that I have said from Day 1 "we" are on both sides of this thing, and that one day it shall be known.

Posted by: ... at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (BXxcV)

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Far too harsh ... you are occasionally-funny.

/And sometimes prescient ;-)

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 25, 2023 05:31 PM (JVjcU)

619 Iran had F-14s but couldn't fly them because no spare parts available to them. I also think we destroyed all of the Tomcats when they were retired so they could not be scavenged for spare parts. What a shame.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2023 05:31 PM (va7X5)

620 Putin is plotting to grab weapons seized by the Taliban during the US evacuation of Afghanistan
........

So our tanks are going to be shot at by our weapons.
Brilliant.

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2023 05:31 PM (v0R5T)

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Proxy Civil War?

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 25, 2023 05:33 PM (JVjcU)

621 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (0hOvj)

Sure we'll get a brand new tank right around the time we get a brand new self-propelled gun system, and the new armored personnel carrier, and the new C3 integration net....

you know the ones we have consitently canceled the last 30 years...
Posted by: sven at January 25, 2023 04:23 PM (Lzpvj)

Even if we did, it likely would be even more unsuited to Eastern European conditions that the Abrams - heavier, bigger....East Europe has poor and few roads, small bridges, mud out the wazoo

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:33 PM (eoQWY)

622 "These are generally not stupid people, who were easily swayed from their prior faiths by emotionalism, or ulterior motives. Often they left behind a lot more worldly things than they thought they would gain by changing faiths. Its a more serious subject than a lot of cradle protestants appreciate. Much like a lot of cradle catholics don't appreciate bible study until they get stuck."

wow, pretty broad attack, like "climate deniers" or anti-vaxxers".

The OT speaks of the coming savior as the cornerstone, head of the corner, the foundation. Peter was petros, a little pebble that would not stand even while Jesus was alive (before cock crows twice thow shalt deny me thrice.)

No, Jesus did not throw off all OT prophecy of himself as Petra, the sold rock foundation. The Church is built on the cornerstone of Jesus Christ. (but sure, any that deny the commie pope are going to hell, good grief)

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 05:33 PM (Cus5s)

623 Thus far, it appears that Putin's nation-building is slipping and giving up territory to NATO's state-building.

But soon Pootie-poot will lose patience, take off the kid-gloves and raze Ukraine rather than lose.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 25, 2023 05:34 PM (Jg7EG)

624 And Xi is sitting there in Peking with a big grin on his face. The Russkies are depleting their military and pulling troops from Siberia with it's vast resources, which the Chinee have been lusting after for decades. Eventually, it's going to be virtually undefended, and the PLA will just drive north.

And the US is shitcanning it's forces as well, either directly with woke bullshit and Donk defense budget cuts, or by depleting it's weapons inventory. So Taiwan is sweating.

The one advantage we have is that the quality of the PLA is likely to be total shit, both their weapons and the quality of troop training.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2023 04:20 PM (n+4am)
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Putin has already told Xi if he makes a move in the east they will nuke every major chinese city.

As for Taiwan, yeah, the loss of life Xi would unleash on his own troops has become more apparent. Because China would be isolated, and would have all its food and energy supplies cut off. It's a suicide move.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 05:35 PM (UVyKP)

625 31 Abrams, not as catchy as 99 Luftballoons

Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2023 05:35 PM (gmo/4)

626 We gave it away.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 25, 2023 05:27 PM (+wfS

We surrendered it.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2023 05:35 PM (va7X5)

627 My pet theory is that many of the tales of mythology, particularly stories about the Titans were rooted in Nephilim and the utter evil and depravity of society in the antediluvian world.

Me too, brother.

Posted by: Hairpin Corner Concrete Truck Collision Take Me Now at January 25, 2023 05:35 PM (eFxeZ)

628 If Joe Biden is going to make Zelensky fight corruption, then Joe will have to be impeached. There is precedence for this.

Posted by: SMOD at January 25, 2023 05:35 PM (dIdpt)

629 In what universe is a party to a hot war not going to attack the supply lines of potentially theater dominating armaments being shipped to the front lines against it?

And when those supply lines just happen to run through Article V countries. Whoops! Whoopsie !

Posted by: Zek at January 25, 2023 05:35 PM (5FPX4)

630 Question for upthread statement, What threat does Russia pose to the US? Specifically?

Posted by: runner at January 25, 2023 05:36 PM (Aoizk)

631 We are focused in the tank number. But if the equipment list is correct, we are equipping an entire Brigade, or Regiment in Ukraine order of battle. Including artillery. This is significant.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 25, 2023 05:29 PM (anj39)

That's a big front to cover with a brigade, even if its an American operated one. If the Ukrainian army collapses, which its current course seems to predict as they burn troops trying to play catch with thousands of artillery rounds while infantry waits to sweep up the pieces one unit can defend only a tiny part of the country.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:37 PM (eoQWY)

632 The OT speaks of the coming savior as the cornerstone, head of the corner, the foundation. Peter was petros, a little pebble that would not stand even while Jesus was alive (before cock crows twice thow shalt deny me thrice.)

No, Jesus did not throw off all OT prophecy of himself as Petra, the sold rock foundation. The Church is built on the cornerstone of Jesus Christ. (but sure, any that deny the commie pope are going to hell, good grief)
Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 05:33 PM (Cus5s)

The problem you run into is that if ancient Christians are wrong in treating him as the Captain of the Apostles, the Protestant tradition is merely a derivative of an erroneous sect. There isn't some entry point where Protestants can learn the true faith, they're just modifying what they got from the Catholics.

As noted regarding the Mormons, they resolve this by claiming Divine Revelation. Which has been how a fair number of now extinct sects started.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:37 PM (eYoxG)

633 Question for upthread statement, What threat does Russia pose to the US? Specifically?
Posted by: runner at January 25, 2023 05:36 PM (Aoizk)

Before we started attacking them or after?

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:37 PM (eoQWY)

634 Eh... no. The Abrams is pretty outdated at this point. The best tank in 2023 is probably the Korean K2.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 04:13 P

And oddly enough, Poland has bought a bunch of them along with Abrams A1A2(sep3).
Posted by: Beartooth at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (Ost2s)
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No one operates a fully functional Abrams but the US. All the supposed secret stuff probably doesn't come as part of the package.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 05:38 PM (UVyKP)

635 Back in my cold war days I always thought that if things went hot, I wanted to be back patrolling the GIUK Gap. Because we'd get nuked and It would be a quick death.

Posted by: Archer at January 25, 2023 05:38 PM (gmo/4)

636 In what universe is a party to a hot war not going to attack the supply lines of potentially theater dominating armaments being shipped to the front lines against it?

And when those supply lines just happen to run through Article V countries. Whoops! Whoopsie !
Posted by: Zek at January 25, 2023 05:35 PM (5FPX4)

Russia is doing that NOW with its missile strikes to the power system and rail yards.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:39 PM (eoQWY)

637 I suspect that at this point, Joe wants the war to last another 14 months or so, with the Ukrainians "winning" or finally agreeing to a cease-fire in-place. Joe is a total partisan political animal, and plans to use a Spring 2024 win or cease-fire as a big foreign policy win to campaign on in the summer and fall of '24. Please G-d, help us survive Joe's Presdency.

Posted by: Gref at January 25, 2023 05:39 PM (AMIL/)

638 If Catholics are wrong about the Pope, true Christianity disappears after a few centuries. The dispute with the Orthodox doesn't deny his original position, but claims that it was lowered after time while Constantinople was elevated based on a few canons from ecumenical councils.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:40 PM (eYoxG)

639 If it ends up in a nuclear exchange I think Putin will spare Mar a Lago thinking that if Trump survives there might be someone worthwhile that ends up in charge.

Biden might target it though.

Don't think there a basement there but I don't know.

Hope Trump at least has a bunker.

Posted by: pawn at January 25, 2023 05:41 PM (kYVzH)

640 Canon 3

The Bishop of Constantinople, however, shall have the prerogative of honour after the Bishop of Rome; because Constantinople is New Rome.

From 381 AD. This already clearly recognizes the first position of the Pope. There is a later Council where a canon accepted by the Orthodox but not Catholics makes the Patriarch of Constantinople equal to Rome.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:41 PM (eYoxG)

641 Target global population of 500 million.
Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:18 PM (kOpft)
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Which really doesn't make sense since both Ukraine and Russian populations are collapsing anyway *without* actively shooting at each other.

They are both dying and will fade away soon enough.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 25, 2023 04:21 PM (BpYfr)

Those aren't the populations they're aiming to reduce.
Posted by: Methos at January 25, 2023 04:30 PM (kOpft)
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Almost all populations are falling. India is getting close to replacement even. SO there is no need to facilitate any additional work on population reduction - we are already on our way back to 7B, and if China really goes sideways, even lower.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 05:42 PM (UVyKP)

642 We are building a bunch of super carriers, maintaining our old super carriers, and building appropriate support ships. Then use small mobile forces to handle most of the direct fighting, while naval airpower wipes out the bigger threat. Fighting is changing.
Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 05:29 PM (UVyKP)

This war in U seems to show the reverse. It isn't the fancy smart weapons that are winning, its the large quantity of old dumb howitzers blasting enemy positions and the infantry carefully evicting the survivors from them. Rinse and repeat.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:43 PM (eoQWY)

643 "Why does it make sense that there'd be a sudden and very long break in tradition"

"13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye." mark

remember, there were many times when there were only a remnant that remained faithful. Traditions are golden calves and pagan rituals ... useful for bonding the massed (global warming, love the vax, all the children of the world holding hands, etc). Tradition is not "The Living Word" or the one true God. They are man made.

Even in the OT, God gave the law because they wanted a specific "law", a tradition. Jesus said the law of love was a higher law. "The law says we should stone her, what say you?" "Let who among you is without sin cast the first stone"

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 05:43 PM (Cus5s)

644 Democrats, having ginned up "Russia Russia Russia" for six years, in their singular pursuit of the Great Orange Whale, are now captive to their own fake narrative and incensed, moron electorate which insists on All Things To Get Putin.

Put another way, they would (and may) burn down the world to Get Trump.

Posted by: Zek at January 25, 2023 05:43 PM (5FPX4)

645 344 The Bible's basic message is not some Tarot-like way of finding the future, but trust God and glorify Him. The prophets were not telling people things so they'd know secret future events, they were telling the story of God's redemption and covenant with His people. Its a mistake to start cherrypicking various parts of the Bible to create some magical way of knowing tomorrow.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:40 PM (0hOvj)

Excellent summation. Thank you.

Posted by: TecumsehTea-not a resident troll at January 25, 2023 05:43 PM (BjGT6)

646 I suspect that at this point, Joe wants the war to last another 14 months or so, with the Ukrainians "winning" or finally agreeing to a cease-fire in-place. Joe is a total partisan political animal, and plans to use a Spring 2024 win or cease-fire as a big foreign policy win to campaign on in the summer and fall of '24. Please G-d, help us survive Joe's Presdency.
Posted by: Gref at January 25, 2023 05:39 PM (AMIL/)

I can't see Russia being dumb enough to fall for the same trick we played in 2014 again. There will be no cease fires and Russia will dictate the terms it wants. We can't be trusted and Russia knows it.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:45 PM (eoQWY)

647 101 I don't think people got rich from the path to WWI.

The guys who make weapons and boats did.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (0hOvj)

They were making bank before we got involved in the fighting. From the standpoint of a weapons manufacturer, it's more profitable to supply an ally with weapons than to supply your own government.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 05:46 PM (wGeit)

648 Cruise missiles filled with dragon fly drones.
What defense exists that will take out a
swarm of bugs?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 25, 2023 05:47 PM (+wfSw)

649 We are focused in the tank number. But if the equipment list is correct, we are equipping an entire Brigade, or Regiment in Ukraine order of battle. Including artillery. This is significant.

31 tanks ? That's not quite even a battalion.

It's a number that makes no sense.
Posted by: Pentatonic at January 25, 2023 05:43 PM (aenZi)

Probably if you add up the odds and sods promised by NATO and the UK, it is just a little bit more.

I've heard some say these are just cover your ass numbers since they expect Ukraine to break before the tanks arrive. It makes no sense from a military view to announce the arrival beforehand.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:47 PM (eoQWY)

650 remember, there were many times when there were only a remnant that remained faithful. Traditions are golden calves and pagan rituals ... useful for bonding the massed (global warming, love the vax, all the children of the world holding hands, etc). Tradition is not "The Living Word" or the one true God. They are man made.

Even in the OT, God gave the law because they wanted a specific "law", a tradition. Jesus said the law of love was a higher law. "The law says we should stone her, what say you?" "Let who among you is without sin cast the first stone"
Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 05:43 PM (Cus5s)

"Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter."

The Living Word was not transmitted as a book, but by people. Priests, teachers. Stained glass windows for example exist because people were largely illiterate. The attitudes taken by the Protestants are unworkable for many generations of early Christians.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:47 PM (eYoxG)

651 Remember, he warned the West in 2014 that inviting Ukraine into NATO would have consequences. Trump believed him, but the Potato's handlers didn't.
Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (W+kMI)
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His opportunity to leverage that was gone way before 2014.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 05:48 PM (UVyKP)

652 "If Catholics are wrong about the Pope, true Christianity disappears after a few centuries."

you are equating the institutional church with "true Christianity". I have often said we owe a lot to the scribes that maintained (to what degree?) the scriptures. And yes, institutions are powerful. But was it the institution, of God working within that saved "the remant"?

Same with the OT ... the traditional tribes often went corrupt, even David, but God preserved the Remnant. The faithful are not the same as the institution.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 05:48 PM (Cus5s)

653 I don't think people got rich from the path to WWI.

The guys who make weapons and boats did.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 25, 2023 04:13 PM (0hOvj)

They were making bank before we got involved in the fighting. From the standpoint of a weapons manufacturer, it's more profitable to supply an ally with weapons than to supply your own government.
Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 05:46 PM (wGeit)

Even after - the chemical plants here made ammo for the western front nearly entirely. The Brits and French made most of the heavy guns and such there and issued them when the Yanks got to the continent.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:48 PM (eoQWY)

654 648 I suspect that at this point, Joe wants the war to last another 14 months or so, with the Ukrainians "winning" or finally agreeing to a cease-fire in-place. Joe is a total partisan political animal, and plans to use a Spring 2024 win or cease-fire as a big foreign policy win to campaign on in the summer and fall of '24. Please G-d, help us survive Joe's Presdency.
Posted by: Gref at January 25, 2023 05:39 PM (AMIL/)

I can't see Russia being dumb enough to fall for the same trick we played in 2014 again. There will be no cease fires and Russia will dictate the terms it wants. We can't be trusted and Russia knows it.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:45 PM (eoQWY)

I agree. I should have prefaced my words with, "In Joe's fantasies..."

Posted by: Gref at January 25, 2023 05:50 PM (AMIL/)

655 Remember, he warned the West in 2014 that inviting Ukraine into NATO would have consequences. Trump believed him, but the Potato's handlers didn't.
Posted by: exdem13 at January 25, 2023 04:36 PM (W+kMI)
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His opportunity to leverage that was gone way before 2014.
Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 05:48 PM (UVyKP)

We had an international agreement that Russia could veto any new additions to NATO. We just forgot about that when we felt like it. Was that the Istanbul accords?

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:50 PM (eoQWY)

656 Is there something significant about the number 31?
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 25, 2023 04:14 PM (eGTCV)

Highest that Biden can count.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at January 25, 2023 05:50 PM (Zvtjl)

657 > 1. This has actually happened a number of times before. This is why Catholics teach that God is not going to secretly refound the religion through a charismatic leader of some sort.

I honestly don't understand this point. What has happened a number of times before?

> Why does it make sense that there'd be a sudden and very long break in tradition, followed by resumption from a very small number of people?

Why does it make sense? Why does it make sense that God would choose a small group of desert people as His chosen people? Why was there such a long break before Obadiah? Why was Jesus born in a manger and not a palace? God has His reasons.

> Christianity directly followed from authentic and true Jewish practice. There wasn't a skip, let alone a millenia long one.

Christianity lost their original organization when the Apostles were murdered and schisms in doctrine caused God to remove His Priesthood from the world.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 05:50 PM (eyxn4)

658 654 "If Catholics are wrong about the Pope, true Christianity disappears after a few centuries."

you are equating the institutional church with "true Christianity". I have often said we owe a lot to the scribes that maintained (to what degree?) the scriptures. And yes, institutions are powerful. But was it the institution, of God working within that saved "the remant"?

Same with the OT ... the traditional tribes often went corrupt, even David, but God preserved the Remnant. The faithful are not the same as the institution.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 05:48 PM (Cus5s)

Here's the thing. Future generations of Christians rely on the prior ones to transmit accurately. Unless claiming separate divine revelation like the Mormons, Protestants rely on Catholics as reliable transmitters of information. Which if wrong, means that Protestants are interpreting information received from a group they believe to be communicating information incorrectly. How do we know what part of what Catholics pass along is then reliable?

Catholics believe they are transmitting authentic original information through Sacred Tradition, which Paul explicitly notes passing down to them.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:51 PM (eYoxG)

659 anyone notice Zelensky always wears t-shirts or camo-no suits, learning from Castro and Che Guevara and Yasser Arafat?

Posted by: ploome at January 25, 2023 05:52 PM (pT/yi)

660 659 > 1. This has actually happened a number of times before. This is why Catholics teach that God is not going to secretly refound the religion through a charismatic leader of some sort.

I honestly don't understand this point. What has happened a number of times before?

Posted by: bonhomme at January 25, 2023 05:50 PM (eyxn4)

People like Joseph Smith. It's hardly the first or even tenth time we've seen someone like him making similar claims. Warning against people trying to set up new variants like this is from the ancient period.

Jews have it happen to. It's not that uncommon for someone to come along and claim to be a new Prophet.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:53 PM (eYoxG)

661 ""Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter."

The Living Word was not transmitted as a book, but by people. Priests, teachers. Stained glass windows for example exist because people were largely illiterate. The attitudes taken by the Protestants are unworkable for many generations of early Christians." Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

many "attitudes" are unworkable. I'd have to look up that usage of traditions, but Paul said most had left him before he died. Few remained "faithful". Sure, there are good and bad traditions.

And yeah, the question of how exactly we got "the written Word" is interesting. We have no originals, so we have to make sense of what we have. I think "the humble spiritual man" can do that.

Current commie pope (if not several other torturers) should illustrate only the risen JS, head of the body, can be head of the church, the head of the corner.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 05:54 PM (Cus5s)

662 Muhammed would be one of the most successful examples of a "New Prophet".

Sabbateans were kind of short lived but briefly successful.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:54 PM (eYoxG)

663 "I wonder if the Russians might have that train route in mind?"

Russkis regularly add a statement to their pronouncements about how facilities and rail involved in transport of western military supplies are "legitimate targets" for them. But they have not actually attacked them, much.

Some warehouses and training areas in the west, some intermittent attacks on rail infrastructure in the east and southeast (mostly on electrical infrastructure, and rather logically on the one major diesel-locomotive service center, as the Ukes really need more diesel-powered traction, as they can't protect or always instantly restore their power grid).
Posted by: rhomboid at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (OTzUX)

The U's use modern, green Electric trains. The strikes on the power grid stop all but a handful of evil polluting trains. Attempts to get diesel engines there have been stymied by the different gauge rail there - tracks are a different width in Russia and former Russia.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:55 PM (eoQWY)

664 No one operates a fully functional Abrams but the US. All the supposed secret stuff probably doesn't come as part of the package.
Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 05:38 PM (UVyKP)

There are capabilities the Abrams doesn't have, and there are things you did in the '70s you just wouldn't do today. Hard and soft kill APS are standard. So is ERA. It has a high frequency radar built in to the tank and all the necessary fire control to hit drones and helicopters with its main gun.

Plus the Koreans have a munition called KSTAM, which is a kind of indirect fire EFP top attack thing which can be fired from the main gun. That is, the K2 can kill you before you even get to the battle.

It's just a better tank.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 05:56 PM (wGeit)

665 Current commie pope (if not several other torturers) should illustrate only the risen JS, head of the body, can be head of the church, the head of the corner.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 05:54 PM (Cus5s)

The Chief Priest at the time of Jesus was many things, but not inauthentic.

It's a job. The Pope is not a prophet(compare the Chief Priests of Judah to John the Baptist for instance), he's the guy tasked with overseeing certain responsibilities.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at January 25, 2023 05:56 PM (eYoxG)

666 Makes 0 difference. As Col. MacGregor has pointed out, Ukraine has lost 120,000 men. They have 40,000 men missing and considered dead. And they have another 200,000 casualties. That's basically everyone. In fact, the Nazi Azov battalion and Zelensky's special security detail are going around the country forcing old men and boys to fight.

And Russia hasn't even started their major offensive yet, which has 300,000 fighting troops, 700,000 men total, thousands of tanks, drones, etc. Right now they're shelling with 60,000 rounds of artillery every day, and Ukraine is fighting back with 10% of that.

The US started this war by establishing a coup, and threatening Russia with NATO. Russia has been warning for decades about NATO encroachment to its borders. And here we are.

By the time the tanks get there it will be over. And we are already IN WW3.

Posted by: OneChinaPoricy at January 25, 2023 05:57 PM (tUfjF)

667 620 Iran had F-14s but couldn't fly them because no spare parts available to them. I also think we destroyed all of the Tomcats when they were retired so they could not be scavenged for spare parts. What a shame.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2023 05:31 PM
What about that one that Maverick found?

Posted by: Eromero at January 25, 2023 05:58 PM (0OP+5)

668 I was *just* reading a book about Midway that had a page or so mentioning that there are lots of people who think the tide turned because of one crashed but mostly intact Zero (piloted by a man named Koga) allowed the U.S. to study and fly it and learn its weaknesses and how to more easily defeat it. IIRC it led to the development or refinement of the (F6?) Hellcat in pursuit of that goal.

It's crazy how a single little accidental thing like that can turn the tide.
Posted by: Did you realize you might own a Class III short barrel rifle now? at January 25, 2023 04:51 PM (q8U4k)

The Zero in the Aleutians was helpful in designing the changes to the F4F and other planes to dominate the zero, but even before the war started Chennault and the Flying Tigers had plans to mitigate the advantages of Japanese planes and exploit the disadvantages.

The carrier fighters *at* Midway had the "Thatch Weave" where two planes would zigzag in sequence so that one US plane could shoot a Zero off the tail of another F4F before its guns could kill it.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 06:02 PM (eoQWY)

669 I also think we destroyed all of the Tomcats when they were retired so they could not be scavenged for spare parts. What a shame.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 25, 2023 05:31 PM

It made sense. The only people left flying Tomcats were the Iranians.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 06:04 PM (wGeit)

670 And Russia hasn't even started their major offensive yet, which has 300,000 fighting troops, 700,000 men total, thousands of tanks, drones, etc. Right now they're shelling with 60,000 rounds of artillery every day, and Ukraine is fighting back with 10% of that.

The US started this war by establishing a coup, and threatening Russia with NATO. Russia has been warning for decades about NATO encroachment to its borders. And here we are.

By the time the tanks get there it will be over. And we are already IN WW3.
Posted by: OneChinaPoricy at January 25, 2023 05:57 PM (tUfjF)

The 300,000 are reservists *added* to the forces in the field. Russia has many regular forces that were not originally present in the war - and some new ones were definitely added to the mix as well.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 06:05 PM (eoQWY)

671 The 300,000 are reservists *added* to the forces in the field. Russia has many regular forces that were not originally present in the war - and some new ones were definitely added to the mix as well.

That's true and not true. The Russians called up 300k, but about a third of them never showed up for one reason or another. Half of the ones that showed were sent to the front to plug holes after a ten day refresher course and were mostly slaughtered. So the real number of trained mobiks hitting the front now is about 100k. That's a lot, but Ukraine is a country of 40 million.

In terms of the forces Russia has that it's not using, there's only so much the Russians are prepared to strip from their defenses along the Chinese and European borders, and they need the Interior Ministry troops to keep order inside Russia. The last thing Vlad wants to see is a revolution in Chechnya and Dagestan while he's trying to fight a war in Ukraine.

The Russians used nearly all of their available combat power to invade Ukraine. If that weren't the case there would never have been a mobilization.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 06:13 PM (wGeit)

672 "It's a job. The Pope is not a prophet(compare the Chief Priests of Judah to John the Baptist for instance), he's the guy tasked with overseeing certain responsibilities.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

hmm, thanks for posing your position, interesting. But if the "Church" is built on the papal dynasty (or whatever) ... no, it is not just a job. ... For centuries the pope (allegedly) spoke "ex cathedra" (from whose throne? from the right hand of God?) , and eat fish on Fridays?, which (pagan) tradition was "THE Church" appeasing?

No ... Luther was just the beginning of much needed reform, parallel to reform need for America today.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 06:16 PM (Cus5s)

673 They will likely take a few more areas - Odessa and Kharkov and not bother to occupy the rest. Maybe they will give a slice to Poland for laughs. Leave the rump with no industry and a big city to feed and its likely no threat.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:20 PM (eoQWY)
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I'm late - but at this point the Russians have no path to Odessa. ANd they have no plan to give Poland anything. The intend to take a little bit of them as well - about half.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 06:17 PM (UVyKP)

674 Vox Day has a post about Germany sending some Leopard 2 tanks along with the US sending some Abrams. He included a quote from a Russian source that these tanks burn just like the others do.

These bastards are going to force a war with Russia. And China will be waiting to see if we get overextended.

Posted by: Advo at January 25, 2023 06:17 PM (VHN21)

675 For centuries the pope (allegedly) spoke "ex cathedra" (from whose throne? from the right hand of God?)

All "ex cathedra" means is he's speaking as the head of the Catholic church and not as an individual. The pope can have all sorts of opinions as a man and a priest that are just that - his opinion. When he's speaking "ex cathedra" he's saying "this is official church doctrine".

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 06:20 PM (wGeit)

676 No ... Luther was just the beginning of much needed reform, parallel to reform need for America today.
Posted by: illiniwek
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I await Berserker nailing his theses to the WH door.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 25, 2023 06:22 PM (D9jtQ)

677 This war in U seems to show the reverse. It isn't the fancy smart weapons that are winning, its the large quantity of old dumb howitzers blasting enemy positions and the infantry carefully evicting the survivors from them. Rinse and repeat.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:43 PM (eoQWY)
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None of their artillery would survive more than a few days against us. And all their railhead support would be completely destroyed within 24 hours. It would be a bloodbath.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 25, 2023 06:24 PM (UVyKP)

678 When he's speaking "ex cathedra" he's saying "this is official church doctrine". Posted by: Ace's liver

and the throne is the head, of what? Just the Catholic church? No, I think they mean(t) he speaks from the throne of God Himself, right?

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 06:29 PM (Cus5s)

679 "infallible" and all that nonsense.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 06:30 PM (Cus5s)

680 It isn't the fancy smart weapons that are winning, its the large quantity of old dumb howitzers blasting enemy positions and the infantry carefully evicting the survivors from them. Rinse and repeat.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 25, 2023 05:43 PM (eoQWY)

That was a one-shot thing and the Russians already took their shot. They can't support 60,000 shell days like they could early in the war. They don't have the tubes, they don't have the ammo, and they can no longer stage ammunition near the guns like they could in the early summer. Because of those "fancy smart weapons".

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 06:30 PM (wGeit)

681 681 When he's speaking "ex cathedra" he's saying "this is official church doctrine". Posted by: Ace's liver

and the throne is the head, of what? Just the Catholic church? No, I think they mean(t) he speaks from the throne of God Himself, right?
Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 06:29 PM (Cus5s)

The Catholic church teaches a pope speaking "ex cathedra" is divinely inspired, and what he says applies to all Christians.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 06:33 PM (wGeit)

682 "The Catholic church teaches a pope speaking "ex cathedra" is divinely inspired, and what he says applies to all Christians." Posted by: Ace's liver

sure ... but I think you are downplaying it. Many of those "ex cathedra" (from the throne of God) claims in the past have been as evil as "global warming" or "get the vax" or whatever current lie of the day is.

So when current commie pope takes control, how can Catholics not understand their faith has been undermined? Faith in institutions (golden calves or other) have always failed, only the truly faithful are "the remnant".

I've fought this battle before, but as the pope goes full commie, I just don't get how many buy into the con, just like the global warming con, the vax con, the 2+2=5 cons.

But tradition is powerful, and I hate my Lutheran minister for forcing that (pagan) Nicene compromise on us all. Just trust scripture, not some three headed pagan half man, half god idolatrous figure.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 25, 2023 06:43 PM (Cus5s)

683 No, I think you're reading too much into it. It does not mean "throne of God". It doesn't even mean "throne" - cathedra means "chair" in Latin. And the last time a pope officially spoke "ex cathedra" was in 1950.

I do agree the commie pope has been bad for the Roman Catholic church, and that his beliefs don't advance Catholicism or Christianity as a whole.

On the other hand... we've had worse, and the church always corrected eventually. You say faith in institutions has always failed, but I think it's more true to say faith in men has always failed. The idea man is a fallen creature is pretty established in Christianity.

One characteristic of the modern papacy is the guys they put in charge are always really old, so it's not like Francis is going to be there for another decade.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 06:55 PM (wGeit)

684 I read somewhere (possibly TheDrive?) that the reactive armor on Abrams tanks to highly secret? How long before some Ukrainian douchebag removes one and sells it to Russia to exploit? God, I hate Biden...

Posted by: TXMarko at January 25, 2023 07:00 PM (Nx3/g)

685 684 I read somewhere (possibly TheDrive?) that the reactive armor on Abrams tanks to highly secret? How long before some Ukrainian douchebag removes one and sells it to Russia to exploit? God, I hate Biden...
Posted by: TXMarko at January 25, 2023 07:00 PM (Nx3/g)

Nobody is sending top of the line stuff to Ukraine. It's all aged, outdated, second hand equipment that's in reserve or due for replacement. The Polish T-72s that were sent already and Leopard IIs getting sent now were already being replaced with top-of-the-line tanks from Korea.

If the US sends Abrams tanks to Ukraine they'll be the model we sell to the Saudis, say, or just old tanks from our reserves. We have thousands of old tanks we're not using.

Posted by: Ace's liver at January 25, 2023 07:18 PM (wGeit)

686 Oooooh. A change of heart... from stinking neocon forever-war jingos to peaceniks. Duplicitous, no-principled cowards. No surprise. The hordes almost total capitulation to masks and lockdowns during covid revealed who the American right really are. I won't dwell on the vaccine hoax most of you signed up for. SAD.!
Keep this up and glen reynolds is going to stop feeding you readers from over at instapanzy. He and his neocon nazi fucks aren't gonna stand for this.

Posted by: MikeGlowieZ aka MikeN at January 25, 2023 07:36 PM (4RD0x)

687 Time for the unfortunate denizens of NYC or LA or some other blue shithole to identify as Ukrainian and get some free firepower from the Biden* junta.

Posted by: Mhandisi at January 25, 2023 07:40 PM (IXANy)

688 Here's the problem the Russians can barely maintain their own weapons and getting western stuff will be much harder. He'll get his hands on the drones and American anti tank weapons. But then the American will transfer the A10s.
I suspect the Russian will be ejected from Donbass and Crimea by end of the year. The Leopard 2 and Abrams transfer will become a decisive factor. Over at the Twitter milblog, a Russian officer remarked about this and pleaded for a step up in anti tank weapons production.

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