Surprise! The Supreme Court "Investigation" That Was Designed to Fail to Identify the <i>Dobbs</i> Leaker Has Successfully Failed to Identify the <i>Dobbs</i> Leaker

Surprise! The Supreme Court "Investigation" That Was Designed to Fail to Identify the Dobbs Leaker Has Successfully Failed to Identify the Dobbs Leaker

The Supreme Court said Thursday it cannot identify who [leaked] the draft opinion of Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Org., the landmark case that overturned the constitutional right to an abortion.
The Supreme Court marshal investigating the leak "has to date been unable to identify a person responsible by a preponderance of the evidence," the court said.
...
"After examining the Court's computer devices, networks, printers, and available call and text logs, investigators have found no forensic evidence indicating who disclosed the draft opinion," the marshal's office wrote in a report on the probe.
Investigators interviewed 97 employees, all of whom denied sending the draft opinion to Politico, also according to the marshal's office.
All of the interviewed employees signed an affidavit under the penalty of perjury stating that they did not share the draft opinion, officials said. If investigators later find they lied, then the personnel would be subject to prosecution.
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The report found that the COVID-19 pandemic, which allowed more work from home, along with gaps in security policies, increased the risk of inappropriate disclosures of court information.
"While investigators and the Court's IT experts cannot absolutely rule out a hack, the evidence to date reveals no suggestion of improper outside access. Investigators also cannot eliminate the possibility that the draft opinion was inadvertently or negligently disclosed -- for example, by being left in a public space either inside or outside the building," the report stated.

Bullshit.

Roberts decided to leave the investigation to the Marshall of the Supreme Court, a position responsible for mere security over the physical premises of the court. It's not a law enforcement position.

He chose to give this job to a non-investigator instead of bringing in the FBI.

He also apparently agreed to make this "investigation" as non-intrusive as possible -- not securing warrants to look at people's personal call logs, for example.

This leads to certain questions.

Like: Who is it who is most invested in not finding the guilty party?

Well, the guilty party himself, would be one answer.

It's an interesting answer. I'm not saying it's correct. But there is a logic to it. If Roberts is the leaker, obviously he would want the least intrusive, least serious investigation possible.

Which is exactly what Roberts actually dialed up here.

We're always discussing the leftwing justices as having a motive to leak the decision -- well, Roberts is a left-ish justice, and he too was very opposed to overturning Roe.

We also know that he's previously played games with his court decisions to "preserve the appearance of political independence of the Court." He flipped his vote from striking down Obamacare to upholding Obamacare -- contriving a bizarre argument that no one, including Barack Obama's lawyers, argued, that "it's a tax" -- in order to "maintain the standing of the Supreme Court in the eyes of the [liberal] public," all because the leftwing media spent a month and a half battering him personally with messaging that they wouldn't like him or his court any more if he struck down Obamacare.

So keeping the Court's "authority" intact among the liberal professional class has been of paramount concern to Roberts. Nothing threatens that authority more than the Court's overturning of Roe.

And Roberts was no longer in a position to stop the decision just by flipping his vote. No, something more than that was needed. He might have to work outside of the court to direct pressure within it...

Did that happen? I don't know, but I do find it very, very interesting that Roberts delivered up an "investigation" that was widely predicted to be ineffectual and, true to that prediction, proved ineffectual.

Almost as if that was what the guilty party always had in mind from the start.

Posted by: Ace at 04:08 PM

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1 Sponge!...am I doing this right?

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:09 PM (NgqoH)

2 Holy Hell.

Posted by: Alex Jones at January 19, 2023 04:09 PM (uWF4x)

3 Shocker!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 19, 2023 04:09 PM (u73oe)

4 First but not Sponge

Posted by: Hands at January 19, 2023 04:09 PM (786Ro)

5 This is my shocked face!

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 19, 2023 04:09 PM (uNylN)

6 st?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 19, 2023 04:10 PM (Wnv9h)

7 *kicks rock*

Read the content.

Screw it.

SPONGE!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 19, 2023 04:10 PM (Wnv9h)

8 john "it's a tax" roberts was the leaker. He wanted to put pressure on the conservative judges to change their votes.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 19, 2023 04:10 PM (uNylN)

9 Who could ever have predicted this outcome? I mean, besides all of us here or anyone else paying attention.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 19, 2023 04:11 PM (vZqvS)

10 He chose to give this job to a non-investigator instead of bringing in the FB

Objection. Assumes they are investigators too.

Posted by: Hands at January 19, 2023 04:11 PM (786Ro)

11 Remember when the FNM immediately found out who made that wrestling video with CNN and Trump?

Or when the FNM doxxed LibsofTiktok

Or when the government found Scooter Libby was the "leaker"

And on and on. Odd that when the media/government want to find someone and reveal them can isn't it?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:11 PM (lc5cP)

12 Exactly what one would expect from the judiciary.

In Zimbabwe or Paraguay.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 19, 2023 04:11 PM (OTzUX)

13 run this past MTG just to gauge her reaction

Posted by: DanMan at January 19, 2023 04:12 PM (DB6tu)

14 Maybe they shoulda brought in the guy from the Senate who knows how to count.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:12 PM (NgqoH)

15 The report said that several people interviewed said they hadn't leaked the information... but admitted they they had mentioned it to their significant others. None of the significant others were interviewed. In crime writing, this is known as a "clue."

Posted by: Fat Jonah of Krypton at January 19, 2023 04:12 PM (eDqf7)

16 So keeping the Court's "authority" intact among the liberal professional class has been of paramount concern to Roberts. Nothing threatens that authority more than the Court's overturning of Roe.

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Roberts isn't political. He just agrees with everything establishment Democrats say. It's not about politics, it's about right and wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:12 PM (LvTSG)

17 Investigators interviewed 97 employees, all of whom denied sending the draft opinion to Politico, also according to the marshal's office.

Sounds like they were asking the wrong question.

Posted by: LASue at January 19, 2023 04:12 PM (Ed8Zd)

18

Just read that disturbing story about those two peter puffer pedos who raped their adopted boys.

Does that happen in the Buttjudge household?

Seems to be worth asking.

Just sickening.

Posted by: Rev The Buzz at January 19, 2023 04:13 PM (2or0b)

19 Rim: John Roberts found the leaker and punished him with...sexual favors

Shot: John Roberts was the leaker

Posted by: Obligatory at January 19, 2023 04:13 PM (lc5cP)

20 I still think it was Sotomayor, largely because she allegedly not very bright, at least as far as Supreme Court Justices go. (and possibly further, to be honest.)

I mean, okay, maybe it was a clerk or someone, but ehhhh, kind of almost *has* to be an actual Justice.

One on the losing side, most likely, and one who didn't realize or care what the leak would do.

So, yeah, maaaaybe Roberts, but I'm still saying Sotomayor.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at January 19, 2023 04:13 PM (l8gTz)

21 John Roberts, friend and guest of Jeffrey Epstein, acts a lot like someone that knows they have pictures of him with 16-year-old girls.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 19, 2023 04:13 PM (vN+oL)

22 I wonder if the Marshall of the Supreme Court has had an "unexpected " financial windfall.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 19, 2023 04:13 PM (PX01u)

23 Supreme Court phail.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 19, 2023 04:13 PM (anj39)

24 My first 'first'...

*sobs*

I'd like to thank the Academy...

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:13 PM (NgqoH)

25 PHIRST!!!

Posted by: Doof at January 19, 2023 04:13 PM (ChAEn)

26 Roberts is Cuckold Supreme

Posted by: garrett at January 19, 2023 04:14 PM (aX9iH)

27 Oh and remember when Obama busted Petraeus for leaking secrets to his mistress?

Yep...the government really seems to be good at finding leakers and such when they want...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:14 PM (lc5cP)

28 John Roberts, friend and guest of Jeffrey Epstein, acts a lot like someone that knows they have pictures of him with 16-year-old girls.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 19, 2023 04:13 PM

Someone has dirt on him, they got him to change his obamacare vote.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 19, 2023 04:14 PM (uNylN)

29 Justice Roberts, with the thumb drive, in the conservatory.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 19, 2023 04:14 PM (Cus5s)

30 We found this spoon, sir!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 19, 2023 04:14 PM (u73oe)

31 I, for one, am shocked!

Posted by: Shaftoe at January 19, 2023 04:15 PM (BZYCq)

32 All of the interviewed employees signed an affidavit under the penalty of perjury stating that they did not share the draft opinion, officials said.

They didn't. They left it on a kitchen counter and their spouse did. That's why printers, call logs, etc. has nothing showing up.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at January 19, 2023 04:15 PM (jwRpK)

33 It's a vax.

@disclosetv · 6h
JUST IN - Charlotte FC defender Anton Walkes dies aged 25.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 19, 2023 04:15 PM (Vwz3I)

34
Phailure Theater!

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2023 04:15 PM (n+4am)

35 Comb the desert!!

Posted by: Dark Helmet at January 19, 2023 04:15 PM (PiwSw)

36 The Justices were not investigated.

50 quatloos that the leaker was a Justice or their spouse.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2023 04:15 PM (a3Q+t)

37 'We ain't found shiiit, man!'

Posted by: Black Guy Combing the Desert at January 19, 2023 04:15 PM (aX9iH)

38 Get. Out.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 19, 2023 04:15 PM (sWdgv)

39 I don't think Roberts was the leaker, but I think he knows or has high confidence in who it was. His obsession is the "perception" of the court, and knows that if it was revealed it would hurt that perception, so he made sure the investigation would be weak and fail.

Posted by: Ghost Pournelle at January 19, 2023 04:16 PM (Raony)

40 Seems to me like this is the one sin that even being a progressive with noble intentions can't excuse. You've got clerks who've worked for years to get this billet so they can graduate to top law firms or judgeships. But if you're known to be the leaker, you'll get a lot of backslapping and, "Well, I hope things work out for you" and very few job offers. So the Court, rather than destroy one of their own, chose to turn a blind eye.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 19, 2023 04:16 PM (vZqvS)

41 I look at all the effort that every government agency is putting into lies and bullshit then I wonder, why are the Viden classified docs being allowed to be known.

Posted by: t_bodie - Lurker. Unless you are reading this. at January 19, 2023 04:16 PM (gCctW)

42 John Roberts, friend and guest of Jeffrey Epstein, acts a lot like someone that knows they have pictures of him with 16-year-old girls.

Well, she's probably 16 now. Presuming she's still alive.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:16 PM (lc5cP)

43 Posted by: Fat Jonah of Krypton at January 19, 2023 04:12 PM (eDqf7)

Good point.

Even better nic. Lucky there wasn't any soup in my mouth.

Posted by: Hands at January 19, 2023 04:16 PM (786Ro)

44 And yet it doesn't terribly matter: none of the conservative judges have seriously trusted Roberts for years. Trying to protect the liberal justices merely underlines the fact Roberts pretty much is a liberal justice. Which makes him signing on to Dobbs that much more entertaining, but not as entertaining as Alito mercilessly needling Roberts' equivocating concurrence.

Posted by: trev006 at January 19, 2023 04:16 PM (igJSL)

45 I guarandamnwelltee you they know who the leaker is.

But are afraid to release the name or names.

Pussies.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 19, 2023 04:16 PM (YypaB)

46 It's a vax.

@disclosetv · 6h
JUST IN - Charlotte FC defender Anton Walkes dies aged 25.

Its a coincidence.

Posted by: Your friends at the FNM at January 19, 2023 04:16 PM (lc5cP)

47 For not wanting to politicize the court, Roberts sure Is doing a good job of it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 19, 2023 04:17 PM (u73oe)

48 32 All of the interviewed employees signed an affidavit under the penalty of perjury stating that they did not share the draft opinion, officials said.

They didn't. They left it on a kitchen counter and their spouse did. That's why printers, call logs, etc. has nothing showing up.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at January 19, 2023 04:15 PM (jwRpK)

********

Interesting…

Posted by: EFG at January 19, 2023 04:17 PM (Ae67h)

49 Didn't get Alec baldwin right but nailed this one

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2023 04:17 PM (xhxe8)

50 Roberts is a limp dick but if the FBI was on the case they probably would have discovered Trump was the leaker.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 19, 2023 04:17 PM (ZLI7S)

51 why are the Viden classified docs being allowed to be known.

Well, I'm not getting elected President on my talent or charisma you know...

Posted by: Gavin Newsom at January 19, 2023 04:18 PM (lc5cP)

52 "He chose to give this job to a non-investigator instead of bringing in the FBI."

That's some very dark humor, Ace. 'Cause that's two non-investigators.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 19, 2023 04:18 PM (aXxgO)

53 Can I take for $1000 no one was waterboarded?

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2023 04:18 PM (xhxe8)

54 I suspect we will see a phlurry of media reports on various things just to distance the administration from the document scandal.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 19, 2023 04:18 PM (anj39)

55
He spent a career lying about things: "blah blah political independence of the court blah blah I only bang chicks blah blah never damage the reputation of the Court blah blah I don't bang farm animals or dudes blah blah we're not any President's justices blah blah blah Billy Joel rules."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2023 04:19 PM (oINRc)

56 Hope no one kids themselves the Eff Bee Eye would have found anyone as it is %99.99 chance it's a Leftist or Deep Stater

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2023 04:19 PM (xhxe8)

57 >19 Rim: John Roberts found the leaker and punished him with...sexual favors

Shot: John Roberts was the leaker

Posted by: Obligatory at January 19, 2023 04:13 PM (lc5cP)

The call is coming from inside the house!

Posted by: Micheal Myers at January 19, 2023 04:19 PM (NgqoH)

58 Someone has dirt on him, they got him to change his obamacare vote.

I’m kind of with Ace on this. Roberts voted to uphold the unaffordable care act because he decided he wanted to uphold the unaffordable care act. I doubt he needed much more than being on the outs with the in crowd to do that. It’s even likely that if he was ever a vote against the UCA it was because he didn’t think he could maintain the useful fiction of being conservative, not out of any principle.

That said, assuming that the in crowd and its hangers-on are doing something that needs covering up is probably always the best bet.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2023 04:19 PM (EXyHK)

59 I'm surrounded by Assholes!

Posted by: chief justice helmet at January 19, 2023 04:19 PM (Vwz3I)

60 They never interviewed Joe's Corvette.

Posted by: Hands at January 19, 2023 04:19 PM (786Ro)

61 It's a mystery, I tell ya.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at January 19, 2023 04:20 PM (mgaBt)

62 "Roberts... obsession is the "perception" of the court, and knows that if it was revealed it would hurt that perception, so he made sure the investigation would be weak and fail."

yeah, protecting a leftist leaker weakens that perception.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 19, 2023 04:20 PM (Cus5s)

63
Another grey goddamn day in Grand Rapids.

Headed to Vinny's bar where I haven't been in 50 years.

Posted by: Auspex at January 19, 2023 04:20 PM (j4U/Z)

64 Poor DU. They want it to be 3 different people simultaneously!

Bullshit! They know exactly who it is, it's just that, because it's a republican or a republican spouse (cough "Ginni Thomas" cough) they have no intention of releasing the information.

So they grilled the clerks & staff, & threatened their future employment. But not Alito? Did they investigate any of the Justices, or are they just too collegial for that kind of thing?

IOW, it was a Repuke and exposing them doesn't serve Roberts's purpose

So now we know it came from the conservatives Either Alito or Ginny Thomas. If it had been one of the liberal justices or their clerks we would have been told the name.

Who'd have guessed it? Hint: Look at those who wouldn't be fired for the leak Sorry, but no law clerk with the best of legal careers ahead is going to risk it leaking Sam's doggerel

It was Alito in the study with the knife taken to Justice.

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at January 19, 2023 04:21 PM (JCZqz)

65 An ass with both hands moment.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 19, 2023 04:21 PM (FVME7)

66 "What we have here ... is failure ... to adjudicate."

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 19, 2023 04:21 PM (n+vut)

67 64 So now we know it came from the conservatives Either Alito or Ginny Thomas. If it had been one of the liberal justices or their clerks we would have been told the name.

Who'd have guessed it? Hint: Look at those who wouldn't be fired for the leak Sorry, but no law clerk with the best of legal careers ahead is going to risk it leaking Sam's doggerel

It was Alito in the study with the knife taken to Justice.
Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at January 19, 2023 04:21 PM (JCZqz)

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I don't understand the reasoning that it would be a conservative justice.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:21 PM (LvTSG)

68 It's a vax.

@disclosetv · 6h
JUST IN - Charlotte FC defender Anton Walkes dies aged 25.
Posted by: andycanuck

Gregory Yee, LA Times reporter, posted he was 23 hours post vax, felt like shit, but it was worth it.
Dead at 33 yrs old. Died Jan 4, 2023.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (jwRpK)

69 The left really, really hates the wives in inter-racial relationships don't they?

Notice no hate on Alito's wife...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (lc5cP)

70 Another grey goddamn day in Grand Rapids.

Was just talking with my dad (in the Fremont area). Said they haven’t seen the sun for weeks.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (EXyHK)

71 Have bright lights, truncheons and twelve volt car batteries gone out of style?

....did I mention I see no problem with multiple confessions to this heinous deed?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (SkWtJ)

72 >> 39 I don't think Roberts was the leaker,

That was Patrick Leahy.

Posted by: 40 Miles North at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (uWF4x)

73 Fire all the employees. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Crom Laughs at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (eTmt9)

74 But this doesn't comport with Robert's bang up judge overseeing the FISA Courts.

Oh, wait.

Posted by: Eeyore at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (TgBWG)

75 "JUST IN - Charlotte FC defender Anton Walkes dies aged 25. -- Its a coincidence."

Boating accident ... but hospital probably reported it as a Covid death ... cha-ching, heh.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (Cus5s)

76 Wow what a complete and total shocker!

Posted by: ballistic at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (oXNqT)

77 Gregory Yee, LA Times reporter, posted he was 23 hours post vax, felt like shit, but it was worth it.
Dead at 33 yrs old. Died Jan 4, 2023.

I see one commenter asks "How many boosters did he have?"

And the answer? One too many

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (lc5cP)

78 Failure Theater in DC?!?!?!?!
Say it ain't so! I shant believe it!

Posted by: Fool Otto at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (DB16e)

79
...So's I caught up with that Ace of Spades guy taken a piss in the men's room.

An' he was all like, "What are you doing in here?"

Like I shouldn't be in the men's room, but I figure a gal shoots enough 'roids so's she can chin 50 or so. Well, I figure she's got a right to be in the men's room if she wants. That what I says.

An' I tells him, "Hey! Mr Ace of Spades, you take them big money handouts from Val-U-Rite an' Sweet Crispy Hobo BBQ Sauce an' you think you're better than my Kevie-Poo?

Well, Mr Ace of Spades! An' I roll up my sleeves and say, "These here guns say you ain't! YOU AIN'T!!!

An' Ace of Spades runs away like a little Ewok!

LIKE a LITTLE EWOK!!!!!!

Posted by: Marjorie Taylor-Greene at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (KLPy8)

80 The cake was the leak.

Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (iziT8)

81 Somebody has dirt on Roberts.

Posted by: mr tmz at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (rJ48h)

82 Everything, literally everything involving the Federal Gov't has become full-on deceitful fakery.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (sVtYq)

83 Another grey goddamn day in Grand Rapids.

Was just talking with my dad (in the Fremont area). Said they haven’t seen the sun for weeks.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (EXyHK)

Pfft

Posted by: Pacific Northwest at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (PX01u)

84 >>I don't understand the reasoning that it would be a conservative justice.

It's a claim by leftists. Reasoning has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (ZLI7S)

85 It was Roberts and his staff.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (D25PY)

86 Funny how a guy who decries politicizing the court is the one doing so.

Either Roberts, his staff, or one of Breyer's staff leaked it. Maybe just to the white house, where it was leaked to the public, but it was leaked by the court nonetheless.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 19, 2023 04:24 PM (lTGtQ)

87 Jonathan Turley@JonathanTurley
...It will likely revive concerns over whether the FBI should have been asked to take the lead on the investigation. The Court is only a few blocks from the world's leading forensic investigatory body...

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Yeah, boy, those Untouchables could've solved anything!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 19, 2023 04:24 PM (FVME7)

88 So can we just give Boebert and MTG pillows and lingerie and tell them to settle this like grown, coed, women?

Posted by: Obligatory at January 19, 2023 04:24 PM (lc5cP)

89 >69 The left really, really hates the wives in inter-racial relationships don't they?

Notice no hate on Alito's wife...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (lc5cP)

No, they hate Justice Thomas. He's the black face of white supremacy dontcha know. Ginni is just collateral damage.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:24 PM (NgqoH)

90 I don't think Roberts was the leaker,

That was Patrick Leahy.
Posted by: 40 Miles North at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (uWF4x
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Speaking of leaks..Dr. Jill! (No idea why she demands I call her "Dr. Jill)

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 19, 2023 04:24 PM (SkWtJ)

91 66 Thread winner

Posted by: Regular joe at January 19, 2023 04:25 PM (nnp+f)

92 It was Roberts and his staff.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

In chambers with a word processor.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 19, 2023 04:25 PM (FVME7)

93 I don't understand the reasoning that it would be a conservative justice.

This is seriously how their minds work:

Releasing the draft opinion didn't succeed in stopping them from overturning Roe. Therefore releasing it was bad.

Since it was bad, obviously a conservative did it.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:25 PM (lc5cP)

94 Well, we all can't be continent all the time...

Posted by: Jerrold Nadler at January 19, 2023 04:26 PM (PiwSw)

95 Of course it was Roberts or one of his staff. I can't remember a single case where he was not on the lefties' side.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at January 19, 2023 04:26 PM (3JfbU)

96
If Thomas was white and she was black, they wouldn't attack her so much. It would be all about how their marriage is secretly his way of owning a slave or some shit.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2023 04:26 PM (oINRc)

97 see one commenter asks "How many boosters did he have?"

And the answer? One too many
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (lc5cP)
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I'm thinking not nearly enough.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 19, 2023 04:26 PM (SkWtJ)

98 🤐

Posted by: redridinghood at January 19, 2023 04:26 PM (NpAcC)

99 In chambers with a word processor.

Justice Roberts and the pool boy
With the hammer
In his bedroom

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:26 PM (lc5cP)

100 instead of bringing in the FBI.

?? The FIB would have railroaded Clarence Thomas

Posted by: Ex-GOP at January 19, 2023 04:26 PM (Fj8Gx)

101 Pfft—Posted by: Pacific Northwest

Oddly enough, we also talked about his time at Fort Mason, which is not quite the PNW but has similar weather—miserable. Said that’s colored his view of California weather ever since.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (EXyHK)

102 Would you really trust an investigation of this sort to the FBI? It's not like they have been completely honest with the American people lately.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (YIVH2)

103 84 >>I don't understand the reasoning that it would be a conservative justice.

It's a claim by leftists. Reasoning has nothing to do with it.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 19, 2023 04:23 PM (ZLI7S)

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Very true, but...the leak was obviously designed to enrage people, right? People outside the court. It was a call to action.

If the conservatives already had the votes, then what was the point of trying to enrage people outside the court with the ruling? It created an opportunity for leftists to gather at every right-leaning justice's house for weeks, screaming about murdering babies like their lives (or livelihoods) depended on it, all while a guy who was admittedly trying to murder Kavanagh got cold feet and turned himself in blocks from Kavanagh's house.

It...just doesn't make sense. But still...leftist logic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (LvTSG)

104 Roberts probably thinks no one found, story does in a week and no disgrace to the court but a distant memory in a few years,
Someone charged it's courtroom, news for months and everyone knows Roberts court has absolutely been compromised

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (xhxe8)

105 Jonathan Turley: "...It will likely revive concerns over whether the FBI should have been asked to take the lead on the investigation."

Meh. They would've not investigated even faster, so we'd have had that going for us.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (aXxgO)

106 what was the leaker trying to accomplish, and did he or she fail?

Posted by: DB at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (geLO8)

107 All of the interviewed employees signed an affidavit under the penalty of perjury stating that they did not share the draft opinion, officials said.

Does that include SCOTUS justices? Did they sign an affidavid under penalty of perjury? Of course not; they're not employees of the court, THEY ARE THE COURT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qolk_rDA9xU&t=41s

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (ynpvh)

108 If not Roberts or his staff then it's one or even more of the other Dem judges. Roberts just wants to make sure they don't pay any price because he is one of them.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (3JfbU)

109 He chose to give this job to a non-investigator instead of bringing in the FBI

1. The judicial branch is not going to allow someone from the executive branch to investigate.

2. The FBI? Really? They would be trustworthy on this? The FBI would determine that it was a conspiracy between all of the justices that voted in the majority and would recommend impeachment of all of them.

Posted by: Chuck C at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (xttsV)

110 93 Releasing the draft opinion didn't succeed in stopping them from overturning Roe. Therefore releasing it was bad.

Since it was bad, obviously a conservative did it.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:25 PM (lc5cP)

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Probably...it's just one of those leaps of logic that fascinates me...I want to understand it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (LvTSG)

111 sub-hunting planes > plane-hunting subs

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (44ww/)

112
I don't think Roberts was the leaker,

That was Patrick Leahy.
Posted by: 40 Miles North

Things only Leahy's urologist should know...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (n+4am)

113 These shitheads in DC are becoming way too predictable. It's like they're all on the same page of the agenda.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (BdMk6)

114 twelve volt car batteries gone out of style

I'm right here you know.

Posted by: Hand cranked field phone at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (QGetb)

115
It wasn't Lahey!

Posted by: Randy at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (oINRc)

116 Crud, I should have read up a bit further. Yee be dead.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (SkWtJ)

117 Roberts told his wife--an actual pink pussyhat wearing feninazi--and SHE leaked the info.

Posted by: JoeF. at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (mR6Gs)

118 Did they sign an affidavid under penalty of perjury?

Why wouldn’t they? Perjury isn’t charged against the left anyway.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (EXyHK)

119 Of course. Never expected any other outcome.

Posted by: Peaches at January 19, 2023 04:29 PM (14URa)

120 They found Seth Rich.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at January 19, 2023 04:29 PM (ytSiK)

121 leftist logic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

Oxymoron

Posted by: Miklosmoron at January 19, 2023 04:29 PM (YWSMN)

122 Wasn't the leak to a nice well known Democrats Propaganda Ministry official?

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2023 04:29 PM (xhxe8)

123 Just think, we are stuck with Roberts as the Chief Justice for another thirty years. He will outlive even our children's generation.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at January 19, 2023 04:29 PM (3JfbU)

124
Lotus helicopter-hunting car-sub which is returned to Q in a bucket > sub-hunting planes > plane-hunting subs

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2023 04:30 PM (n+4am)

125 It was Alito in the study with the knife ...

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Answer to the next mystery to be solves in DU Supreme Clue:

"It was Garland in Scalia's bedroom with the pillow."

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 19, 2023 04:30 PM (n+vut)

126 Pfft—Posted by: Pacific Northwest

Oddly enough, we also talked about his time at Fort Mason, which is not quite the PNW but has similar weather—miserable. Said that’s colored his view of California weather ever since.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (EXyHK)

Pretty much gray and rainy from early November to early May with a couple of ice storms and major league wind storms off the Pacific. Summers are typically bone dry from June to October.

Posted by: Pacific Northwest at January 19, 2023 04:30 PM (PX01u)

127 If it had been one of the liberal justices or their clerks we would have been told the name.
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Sound like twatter assholes who think the NYT, WAPO, and, here, the CBC are right-wing news sources.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 19, 2023 04:30 PM (Vwz3I)

128 120 They found Seth Rich.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at January 19, 2023 04:29 PM (ytSiK)

He leaked it? Amazing what a dead man can do.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:30 PM (ynpvh)

129 As others have commented, the Republic cannot survive a government without accountability. And we are half-way down a slide greased with pig-shit and snot.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 19, 2023 04:30 PM (XF9Gj)

130 93 I don't understand the reasoning that it would be a conservative justice.
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The conclusion comes first then they make up stuff to justify the conclusion.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at January 19, 2023 04:30 PM (5TmO/)

131
Roberts told his wife--an actual pink pussyhat wearing feninazi--and SHE leaked the info.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (mR6Gs)

Oh man, you're kidding, right?? Does that douchebag's wife wear the pussyhat for real?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2023 04:30 PM (oINRc)

132 Well, we all can't be continent all the time...

I AM a continent.

Posted by: Brian Dennehy at January 19, 2023 04:31 PM (QGetb)

133 Probably...it's just one of those leaps of logic that fascinates me...I want to understand it.

See this template works for so many things.

Why is Mindy Kaling a right wing white supremacist? Well she made a Woke Scooby Doo and it sucks. This makes woke stuff look bad. Therefore she must be a conservative.

Or Comrade X was told to increase wheat production and given his part of the 5 year plan. Wheat production went down. Therefore he is a secret capitalist saboteur.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:31 PM (lc5cP)

134
Summers are typically bone dry from June to October.
Posted by: Pacific Northwest

Summers is my stripper name. *winks suggestively*

Posted by: Nanzi Pelosi at January 19, 2023 04:31 PM (n+4am)

135 "sub-hunting planes > plane-hunting subs

Posted by: BourbonChicken "

Are we supposed to debate this?

Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2023 04:31 PM (iziT8)

136 If I had to guess, I'd say Roberts had sex with children on Epstein Isle.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 19, 2023 04:31 PM (7sRwU)

137 It wasn't perjury, perjury.

Posted by: Just Lily at January 19, 2023 04:31 PM (Q4iKx)

138 Pretty much gray and rainy from early November to early May with a couple of ice storms and major league wind storms off the Pacific. Summers are typically bone dry from June to October.
Posted by: Pacific Northwest

Um. Maybe kinda.
Not really though.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 19, 2023 04:31 PM (U5n2r)

139 >Investigators also cannot eliminate the possibility that the draft opinion was inadvertently or negligently disclosed -- for example, by being left in a public space either inside or outside the building," the report stated.

so, a Supreme Court justice goes outside at lunchtime to sit on a bench and eat a sandwich, and OOPS they leave their reading material behind when they walk back inside the building

entirely plausible

Posted by: DB at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (geLO8)

140 It was a blatantly obvious attempt to influence the midterms by amping up one issue voting wine moms and their white knight moloch worshipping fuckwads. I will not bother trying to care enough to sway any of those idiots. I am done and simply praying for the rapture to be real, to be soon, and to be quick. Matthew 7:6 applies perfectly. Among other Scriptures, of course, but that one suits the current geopolitical situation just fine.

Posted by: Hairpin Corner Concrete Truck Collision Take Me Now at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (k2llq)

141 Back in the old country (America)these massive failures and serial lying would not have been accepted.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (D0aG4)

142 Here's my thing about the Dobbs decision leak: it didn't work.

We all know that, it is not news. However, what Dobbs was deciding was THE issue that SCOTUS was never supposed to touch. It was too ingrained in the Establishment and the Left's thinking. Abortion was more sacrosanct than Free Speech in the Constitution because 9 dead white men said so in the early 70s.

There is literally no other issue that can animate the leftist base like abortion could. The leak showed the thinness of the leftist movement, and it was a relatively unimportant decision when it comes to the maintenance of leftist power in DC. The real important decisions to come, say something that overturns Chevron completely, are the real body blows to leftist power.

Are leftist true believers supposed to get as animated about that? Are they going to do similar sustained protests when something else looks like it'll be overturned?

The Left outside of the administrative state is a paper tiger. It is all top down, and the bottom rungs are thin and poorly built.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (LvTSG)

143 You would almost think that Roberts just doesn't care. Thomas or Alito should have been made Chief Justice. They at least know what is and isn't a tax I bet.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (4q/mG)

144 CJ Roberts told his wife and she probably told all the girls down at her Karen Koffee Klatch

Posted by: JoeF. at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (mR6Gs)

145 >Very true, but...the leak was obviously designed to enrage people, right? People outside the court. It was a call to action.

If the conservatives already had the votes, then what was the point of trying to enrage people outside the court with the ruling? It created an opportunity for leftists to gather at every right-leaning justice's house for weeks, screaming about murdering babies like their lives (or livelihoods) depended on it, all while a guy who was admittedly trying to murder Kavanagh got cold feet and turned himself in blocks from Kavanagh's house.

It...just doesn't make sense. But still...leftist logic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (LvTSG)

^this. The leaker's goal was to exert unprecedented political pressure on the court expecting Roberts to cave. And I believe democrat leadership knew and was on board prior to the leak of the decision.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (NgqoH)

146 I'm seeing a whole lot of Conspiracy to Commit White Supremacy here.

Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (PiwSw)

147 sub-hunting planes > plane-hunting subs

Posted by: BourbonChicken "

Are we supposed to debate this?
Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2023 04:31 PM (iziT8
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Haiku.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (SkWtJ)

148 89 No, they hate Justice Thomas. He's the black face of white supremacy dontcha know. Ginni is just collateral damage.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:24 PM

The Dems have some conspiracy belief that Ginni Thomas did an insummerection with Trump on January 6th, and Justice Thomas knew about it, or some such nonsense. Most importantly, they're both traitors and should be impeached/executed.

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at January 19, 2023 04:33 PM (JCZqz)

149 Does that include SCOTUS justices? Did they sign an affidavid under penalty of perjury? Of course not; they're not employees of the court, THEY ARE THE COURT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qolk_rDA9xU&t=41s
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:27 PM (ynpvh)
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"I AM THE LAW!"

Posted by: Judge "Dredd" Roberts at January 19, 2023 04:33 PM (YIVH2)

150 1. The judicial branch is not going to allow someone from the executive branch to investigate.

2. The FBI? Really? They would be trustworthy on this? The FBI would determine that it was a conspiracy between all of the justices that voted in the majority and would recommend impeachment of all of them.
Posted by: Chuck C at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (xttsV)

Yup. The FIB are the last institution I would want to investigate anything.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 19, 2023 04:33 PM (BdMk6)

151 People should worry more about Democrats loading the court with people who are dunces, not jurists, with their biggest quality being they will consistently vote to undermine the Constitution, not support it. Pretty soon, you look like Brazil.

By the way, the person who leaked this is a pretty poorly kept secret in Washington. The House will be investigating and that should be interesting if they subpoena people.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 19, 2023 04:33 PM (IaTa3)

152 145 ^this. The leaker's goal was to exert unprecedented political pressure on the court expecting Roberts to cave. And I believe democrat leadership knew and was on board prior to the leak of the decision.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (NgqoH)

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The theory I'm willing to believe most is that it was the WH that leaked it. They knew it was coming, and they panicked.

It wasn't coordinated, it was just acted upon. The discord around it in those first few days was just too much to believe it was all arranged.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:34 PM (LvTSG)

153 Summers is my stripper name. *winks suggestively*

Posted by: Nanzi Pelos

It takes 4 strong men to lift her boobs for you to tuck a dollar in her thong.

Posted by: Hands at January 19, 2023 04:34 PM (786Ro)

154 Jane Sullivan, wife of CJ of SCOTUS John Roberts:

https://is.gd/bkIddq

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:34 PM (ynpvh)

155 I don't understand the reasoning that it would be a conservative justice.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Reasoning to a leftist means a far different thing that the classic definition of reasoning does to others.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (bDjBG)

156 Sean Davis
@seanmdav
They know who did it. And they know a Justice was behind it.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (NpAcC)

157 so, a Supreme Court justice goes outside at lunchtime to sit on a bench and eat a sandwich, and OOPS they leave their reading material behind when they walk back inside the building

entirely plausible
Posted by: DB at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (geLO

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They could have left it in an unlocked garage next to Judge Roberts' Camaro (I assume he has one).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (YIVH2)

158 People should worry more about Democrats loading the court with people who are dunces, not jurists, with their biggest quality being they will consistently vote to undermine the Constitution, not support it.

Honestly I'd rather Biden appoint another Action Jackson or Wise Latina then another Kagan if he gets the opportunity.

You can't hide the stupid in the former two...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (lc5cP)

159 so, a Supreme Court justice goes outside at lunchtime to sit on a bench and eat a sandwich, and OOPS they leave their reading material behind when they walk back inside the building

entirely plausible
Posted by: DB at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (geLO

It IS plausible....if they had pre-arranged with a Politico source to pick it up

Posted by: JoeF. at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (mR6Gs)

160 A weather throwdown!

All my quatloos on the nurse.

Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (iziT8)

161 They think we are stupid and lambs to the slaughterhouse

Posted by: Nevergivveup at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (y4p0M)

162 So, having "officially" failed at discovering the leak, what is SCOTUS/Roberts' remedy for such instances/recurrences in the future? This was a historic event, right? Seems like something significant would be offered, some institutional change to prevent this from happening again.

So, anything beyond crickets coming out of SCOTUS for this? Because, if not, then they really are interested in retaining the MO for future considerations.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (aXxgO)

163 Summers is my stripper name. *winks suggestively*
Posted by: Nanzi Pelosi

So was mine.

Real name Lunden

Posted by: Hunter B. at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (h3VsD)

164 131
Roberts told his wife--an actual pink pussyhat wearing feninazi--and SHE leaked the info.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (mR6Gs)

Oh man, you're kidding, right?? Does that douchebag's wife wear the pussyhat for real?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2023 04:30 PM

It doesn't matter if she does, because that's a clear indicator of a healthy, rational, freedom-loving mind! Slava Ukraini!

Posted by: SJW Commissar at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (JCZqz)

165 Another grey goddamn day in Grand Rapids.

Was just talking with my dad (in the Fremont area). Said they haven’t seen the sun for weeks.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (EXyHK)

Pfft
Posted by: Pacific Northwest

Tullee fogs of the San Joaquin snort in laughter.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 19, 2023 04:36 PM (3dUPt)

166 156 Sean Davis
@seanmdav
They know who did it. And they know a Justice was behind it.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 19, 2023 04:35 PM (NpAcC)

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If it's a Justice, I want it to be Sotomayor most because she's such a complete dunce, but I'd believe it Breyer most because he was going out and decided to just burn a bridge because he knew that it wouldn't affect his retirement in any way that mattered to him.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:36 PM (LvTSG)

167 Everything is an op. Failure theater is real. And these people are fucking assholes.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 19, 2023 04:36 PM (AB9Pq)

168 >The theory I'm willing to believe most is that it was the WH that leaked it. They knew it was coming, and they panicked.

It wasn't coordinated, it was just acted upon. The discord around it in those first few days was just too much to believe it was all arranged.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:34 PM (LvTSG)

In a sane world, you could convince me. We left that bus stop a few miles back.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:36 PM (NgqoH)

169 Zombie Cokie Roberts > Jane Sullivan-Roberts

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 19, 2023 04:36 PM (D25PY)

170 I would be shocked if between that idiot Brown and Sotomayor of a single brain synapse fired in a week.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 19, 2023 04:37 PM (IaTa3)

171 so, a Supreme Court justice goes outside at lunchtime to sit on a bench and eat a sandwich, and OOPS they leave their reading material behind when they walk back inside the building

entirely plausible
Posted by: DB at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM (geLO

It IS plausible....if they had pre-arranged with a Politico source to pick it up
Posted by: JoeF.

In my day, they used pumpkins

Posted by: Whittaker Chambers at January 19, 2023 04:37 PM (h3VsD)

172 Supreme court we have investigated everyone but Sam Alito and judge Thomas and his wife and not found the leaker! For those who don;t like my handle it is the word of god if you don't like it take it up with GOD!

Posted by: exodus 21:22-25 at January 19, 2023 04:37 PM (0+icj)

173 "Almost as if that was what the guilty party always had in mind from the start."

If that is the case, even though we don't know who leaked, I would think that several of the other conservatives on the Court have a very good idea. They can also figure out who would benefit most from such a leak as well.

Roberts would find a lot less comity coming from the Thomas wing, if that's the case. Roberts gave them the shaft with the Obamacare ruling; this is just more of the same.

Roberts is probably guessing that if he loses one more conservative justice if the Dems keep the WH in 2024, then he can go back to being the (leftish) swing vote again. He's playing the long game, and he's chosen a side. He expects any repercussions from Thomas et al to be short-lived.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 19, 2023 04:37 PM (/iWhV)

174 He chose to give this job to a non-investigator instead of bringing in the FBI.

Letting the FBI investigate would be proof of a coverup though. Ask the Vegas shooter.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 19, 2023 04:37 PM (ZGrMX)

175
The Feral government is a true marvel -- its internal watchdogs and supremely and serenely incapable of ferreting out wrongdoing in its ranks.

It seems the watchdogs' sole purposes are "to have mass and occupy space", which is the textbook definition for matter, inert or otherwise.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2023 04:37 PM (pNxlR)

176 Members of the church of the Little Flower?

Posted by: Infidel at January 19, 2023 04:37 PM (ZEa+g)

177 The theory I'm willing to believe most is that it was the WH that leaked it. They knew it was coming, and they panicked.

It wasn't coordinated, it was just acted upon. The discord around it in those first few days was just too much to believe it was all arranged.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Scotus secrecy applies to giving out drafts of opinions to the WH. A few justices have done it in the past but always to opprobrium by their fellow justices. One justice leaked Dred Scott opinion to incoming Prezzie Buchanan who basically said all is well on the slavery question front in his inaugural address. Fortas was notorious for leaking Scotus discussions to LBJ and that was part of the reason that he had little institutional support from the other justices when he got caught taking money which foundered his nomination as Chief Justice.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:38 PM (bDjBG)

178 The leaker's goal was to exert unprecedented political pressure on the court expecting Roberts to cave.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM

There were 5 votes for the majority holding. Roberts was a 6th vote concurring in judgement but not going as far as the holding, so he had caved anyway.

Posted by: Chuck C at January 19, 2023 04:38 PM (xttsV)

179 The Virginia schools that withheld merit awards from their students in aid of equity should also pay everyone the same. In the interests of true equity the janitors and office staff should be paid the same as the teachers and the principal. Only then can they achieve nirvana.

And seeing as all students are acknowledged as not special then the school staff should all be paid the janitor's pay rate, no special rates for seniority or level of responsibility. Equity uber alles.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at January 19, 2023 04:38 PM (3JfbU)

180 0 for 2 chasing Capitol phantoms.

Posted by: Lola at January 19, 2023 04:38 PM (p39Z2)

181 Roberts knew who leaked. He's probably dealt with it to the extent he cares to.
What can he do, realistically, if ot was another Justice who leaked it? Make a clerk a scapegoat?
Personally I think it was Wide Latina who leaked it.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 19, 2023 04:38 PM (BtmcP)

182 Roberts told his wife--an actual pink pussyhat wearing feninazi--and SHE leaked the info.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 19, 2023 04:28 PM (mR6Gs)

Oh man, you're kidding, right?? Does that douchebag's wife wear the pussyhat for real?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 19, 2023 04:30 PM (oINRc)
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I thought that was Comey's wife?

Posted by: redridinghood at January 19, 2023 04:39 PM (NpAcC)

183 So these folks are the top level cream of the crop judges, with the full power of the Federal government at their disposal, and they can't figure out what a woman is or who said something to someone else.

January 6th political prisons make so much sense now.

Posted by: The NFL suddenly doesn't mind prayers at January 19, 2023 04:39 PM (vuQMF)

184 Seen a number of
Roe, Roe, Roe your Vote signs

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2023 04:39 PM (xhxe8)

185 178 The leaker's goal was to exert unprecedented political pressure on the court expecting Roberts to cave.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM

There were 5 votes for the majority holding. Roberts was a 6th vote concurring in judgement but not going as far as the holding, so he had caved anyway.

Posted by: Chuck C at January 19, 2023 04:38 PM (xttsV)

Some hills are too high, some seas to far. No cave is unacceptable to John Roberts.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:39 PM (ynpvh)

186 By the way, the person who leaked this is a pretty poorly kept secret in Washington. The House will be investigating and that should be interesting if they subpoena people.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 19, 2023 04:33 PM (IaTa3)

The Biden administration via Sotomayor?

Posted by: Golfman at January 19, 2023 04:40 PM (BLVc0)

187 The SCOTUS Justices were on their way to the bingo parlor down at the YMCA. The directions got all fouled up there and one thing led to another...

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 19, 2023 04:40 PM (u73oe)

188 It seems to me the simplest explanation is the clerk who was friends with the journalist who published the leak.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 19, 2023 04:40 PM (PiwSw)

189 The FNM says Mrs Roberts is a feminist but was head of some "Feminists for Life" group.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:40 PM (lc5cP)

190 Investigator: "Did you do it?"
Staffer 1: "Nope."
Investigator: "Did *you* do it?"
Staffer 2: "Nuh-unh."
Investigator: "How about you?"
Staffer Three, Four, Five...: "Not me." [giggling]
Investigator: "Well, I'm stumped. Nobody did it. Case closed."

Posted by: red speck at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (gS3OW)

191 What can he do, realistically, if ot was another Justice who leaked it? Make a clerk a scapegoat?
Personally I think it was Wide Latina who leaked it.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

He could, * checks notes * , tell the truth and not be a aid to demons.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (XF9Gj)

192 If it's a Justice, I want it to be Sotomayor most because she's such a complete dunce, but I'd believe it Breyer most because he was going out and decided to just burn a bridge because he knew that it wouldn't affect his retirement in any way that mattered to him.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:36 PM (LvTSG)

One has to remember that Jumanji had just been sworn in shortly before this happened. And she would have definitely had access to it. I'm more convinced it could have been her.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (BdMk6)

193 189 The FNM says Mrs Roberts is a feminist but was head of some "Feminists for Life" group.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:40 PM (lc5cP)

Anti-Abortion Feminists?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (ynpvh)

194 I think the Dobbs decision was designed to galvanize the left, going into an election season where the democrats were sure to get slaughtered. By making this decision, the SC made sure that the democrats were fired up.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (cq4C8)

195 Vote for fish eggs!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (63Dwl)

196 It was either Roberts or the plump Latina

Posted by: It's me donna at January 19, 2023 04:42 PM (bs+z0)

197
I would be shocked if between that idiot Brown and Sotomayor of a single brain synapse fired in a week.
Posted by: Marcus T

If would be hilarious if someone pranked those two by -- every now and then -- taping up a "Dunce's Corner" and a "Dunce's Corner Annex" paper sign on one and the other's door. Switch assignments, too, for more hilarity.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2023 04:42 PM (pNxlR)

198 t seems to me the simplest explanation is the clerk who was friends with the journalist who published the leak.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 19, 2023 04:40 PM (PiwSw)

I kind of believe this too, except that I'm not sure they wouldn't have burned a mere clerk. It must have come DIRECTLY from an actual Justice

Posted by: JoeF. at January 19, 2023 04:42 PM (mR6Gs)

199 The FNM says Mrs Roberts is a feminist but was head of some "Feminists for Life" group.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:40 PM (lc5cP)
******
Which is an anti-abortion group,

Posted by: redridinghood at January 19, 2023 04:42 PM (NpAcC)

200 190 Investigator: "Did you do it?"
Staffer 1: "Nope."
Investigator: "Did *you* do it?"
Staffer 2: "Nuh-unh."
Investigator: "How about you?"
Staffer Three, Four, Five...: "Not me." [giggling]
Investigator: "Well, I'm stumped. Nobody did it. Case closed."

Posted by: red speck at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (gS3OW)

Did they at least bring in TWICE the number of usual suspects?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:42 PM (ynpvh)

201 94 Well, we all can't be continent all the time...

ah. the good old continental drift theory.

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 19, 2023 04:42 PM (sGtp+)

202 Investigator: "Well, I'm stumped. Nobody did it. Case closed."

So...haha but I've seen any number of "official fact checkers" in the FNM ask a leftist if they did something wrong and when the answer is "no" say its been officially debunked.

That's where we are with Omar marrying her brother. Someone in the FNM asked her if she did, she said no, and it is now "fake news"

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:43 PM (lc5cP)

203 Roberts could also think he's maintaining the court by not finding out the answer here...
Yes that makes him a wuss. Well, he is a wuss.. so...

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at January 19, 2023 04:43 PM (53oGX)

204 A suspect here...

Barstool Sports @barstoolsports
That man guilty as hell. Case closed.
https://tinyurl.com/y59dd8sb

1:18 minutes with subtitles

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 19, 2023 04:43 PM (Vwz3I)

205 It was Robert’s, who seems to be a man scared of something.

Posted by: Flatville Bill at January 19, 2023 04:43 PM (uMGpS)

206 Anti-Abortion Feminists?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (ynpvh)

Any one who's in favor of a procedure that kills a baby girl half the time it's performed is not a true feminist.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 19, 2023 04:43 PM (PiwSw)

207 195 Vote for fish eggs!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (63Dwl)

Caviar, Caviar, Caviar the vote?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:43 PM (ynpvh)

208 192 One has to remember that Jumanji had just been sworn in shortly before this happened. And she would have definitely had access to it. I'm more convinced it could have been her.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (BdMk6)

========

She wasn't sworn in for another month. The leak happened in May. She was sworn in in June.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:43 PM (LvTSG)

209 This tells me that the leaker is probably one of the justices.

Am I off base here?

Imagine one of the justices decides this should be leaked in advance of the official decision. That justice would know that the people working for the justices would be the primary suspects. And who is going to brace any of the justices for this ethical breach?

Answer: No one.

Posted by: Yawrate at January 19, 2023 04:43 PM (qmaum)

210 100% believe this was couriered from Breyer or one of the other left justices clerks. The idea was to foment riots to change squishy Roberts mind. They know it but the amateur hour Marshall cannot prove it so they will let it go, hoping that since it did not work, will not happen again. LoL.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 19, 2023 04:43 PM (y0TXe)

211 The leaker's goal was to exert unprecedented political pressure on the court expecting Roberts to cave.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:32 PM

There were 5 votes for the majority holding. Roberts was a 6th vote concurring in judgement but not going as far as the holding, so he had caved anyway.

Posted by: Chuck C at January 19, 2023 04:38 PM (xttsV)

Some hills are too high, some seas to far. No cave is unacceptable to John Roberts.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:39 PM

From what I recall and I could be dead wrong, roberts was willing to put some Federal *limits* on abortion but did not want the conservative justices ruling to over turn roe vs. Wade. He sought a compromise ruling exactly like he did with obamacare. I still think he or his clerks leaked the document to put pressure on the conservative judges.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 19, 2023 04:44 PM (uNylN)

212 >194 I think the Dobbs decision was designed to galvanize the left, going into an election season where the democrats were sure to get slaughtered. By making this decision, the SC made sure that the democrats were fired up.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (cq4C

And it did exactly that. There was only one issue the dems ran on. TV/radio/web ads/social media ads/paid search all pro baby killing all the time. And it worked. So now I have Lump Fetterman as my junior senator.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:44 PM (NgqoH)

213 196 It was either Roberts or the plump Latina
Posted by: It's me donna at January 19, 2023 04:42 PM (bs+z0)

I still have it as someone from Roberts circle, including the justice himself. It just makes the most sense, especially considering the method of investigation and the lame "no preponderance of the evidence" claim on failing to find the culprit - thus, they know, but they can't prove it...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 19, 2023 04:44 PM (exHjb)

214 This was not some pillow talk. The leak included quotes that were in the final decision. Documents were provided as the leak.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 19, 2023 04:44 PM (lTGtQ)

215 Vote for fish eggs!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (63Dwl)

Caviar, Caviar, Caviar the vote?
Posted by: jim

Fish eggs, fish eggs

Roly poly fish eggs

Fish eggs, fish eggs

Eat them up, yum!

Posted by: Miklos is fresh out at January 19, 2023 04:45 PM (h3VsD)

216 So, anything beyond crickets coming out of SCOTUS for this? Because, if not, then they really are interested in retaining the MO for future considerations.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel
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Scotus appointments are more like a long time marriage between these justices (indeed lasting longer than marriages for several of them like Douglas). Given the formatting of the leak, it was done fairly late in the process from my viewpoint. I spent awhile on the Justices' papers at the Library of Congress and the early drafts are just that--full of pencil marks, etc. partial cite additions, and so on. What we saw leaked was very very close to the final opinion in formatting as well as text.

At that point, something like that draft would be circulating primarily by the justices themselves rather than among their law clerks. Take that for what you will.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:45 PM (bDjBG)

217 By making this decision, the SC made sure that the democrats were fired up.

But in red areas, which is where abortion was most likely to actually be restricted, blue votes were way down.

Your point might be valid, but its all those ballots, not tied to actual voters, in the various blue areas that won the day for them in 2022.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:45 PM (lc5cP)

218 I think the Dobbs decision was designed to galvanize the left, going into an election season where the democrats were sure to get slaughtered. By making this decision, the SC made sure that the democrats were fired up.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (cq4C

Yes, and this would have been proven IF one of the justices changed his vote.
That would have proven it was a ruse to fire up the base.

But it was true. Roe was overturned. So wouldn't it have been too late?

Posted by: JoeF. at January 19, 2023 04:45 PM (mR6Gs)

219 One has to remember that Jumanji had just been sworn in shortly before this happened. And she would have definitely had access to it. I'm more convinced it could have been her.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM

She was sworn in on June 30. The leak was May 2.

Posted by: Chuck C at January 19, 2023 04:46 PM (xttsV)

220 Anti-Abortion Feminists?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:41 PM (ynpvh)
*******
My SIL calls herself a feminist and she is is in a bunch of anti-abortion groups.
She is super conservative.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 19, 2023 04:46 PM (NpAcC)

221 Whoever did it probably regrets it. The objective was to exert pressure on the justices to change their votes. All it did was harden the justices resolve and positions.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 19, 2023 04:47 PM (IaTa3)

222 As much as I dislike Roberts, I can't fault him for keeping the FBI out of his court. Lying cocksuckers KNOW lying cocksuckers.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 19, 2023 04:47 PM (sWM8x)

223 Roberts is such a company man that he thinks he is maintaining the dignity of the court. He doesn't seem to realize that to the rest of the nation, left or right, he is making it look stupid. Typical Bush appointment

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 19, 2023 04:47 PM (dHzaG)

224 By making this decision, the SC made sure that the democrats were fired up.

But in red areas, which is where abortion was most likely to actually be restricted, blue votes were way down.

Your point might be valid, but its all those ballots, not tied to actual voters, in the various blue areas that won the day for them in 2022.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:45 PM (lc5cP)

They needed the excuse of "Fired-up pro-choice suburban women angry about Roe prevented the Red Wave' to cover up for the fraud

Posted by: JoeF. at January 19, 2023 04:47 PM (mR6Gs)

225 172-
Hey, redudant troller. That passage does not justify abortion. Get some Biblical knowledge, would you?

https://tinyurl.com/mttvwnjs

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 19, 2023 04:47 PM (D+F6R)

226 Don't care. Just happy they repealed murder at the national level. I know it will never totally go away because of states like CA that have zero respect for life, unless you're gay or trans.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 19, 2023 04:47 PM (2NHgQ)

227 John Roberts ... you go girl.

Posted by: Marooned at January 19, 2023 04:48 PM (w6hJ9)

228 Nice Breyer!

Thanks. I just had it stuffed.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 19, 2023 04:48 PM (Vwz3I)

229 222 As much as I dislike Roberts, I can't fault him for keeping the FBI out of his court. Lying cocksuckers KNOW lying cocksuckers.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 19, 2023 04:47 PM (sWM8x)

You'd think one group of cock-suckers would find some way to find an amenable arrangement with the other group of cock-suckers...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:48 PM (ynpvh)

230 221 Whoever did it probably regrets it. The objective was to exert pressure on the justices to change their votes. All it did was harden the justices resolve and positions.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 19, 2023 04:47 PM (IaTa3)

========

And there's a chance that the makeup of the court could last 10 years.

Thomas in charge with Gorsuch having started work on an anti-Chevron coalition from the day he got there.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:48 PM (LvTSG)

231 I really doubt a Sitting SCJudge, it already was suspected one of the Leftists clerks did it

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2023 04:48 PM (xhxe8)

232 I still think some clerk for a Leftist leaked it to the WH and then it just went around.

They were trying to gin up someone to kill one of the conservative justices.

It almost worked.

Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2023 04:48 PM (pwExq)

233 From what I recall and I could be dead wrong, roberts was willing to put some Federal *limits* on abortion but did not want the conservative justices ruling to over turn roe vs. Wade. He sought a compromise ruling exactly like he did with obamacare. I still think he or his clerks leaked the document to put pressure on the conservative judges.
Posted by: Mister Scott
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FWIW, I think you are correct from what I have read about the case and ensuing leak. Roberts wanted to preserve the shell of Roe instead of sending it back to the states. Essentially, the abortion ruling has removed it from the national conversation which upsets both parties--GOPe which liked to fund raise off of it while doing nothing and the Dems who fundraised off of it and sought to increase it by any means to the last second before birth occurred. For some maybe most Dems, even that was not enough.

Now it is a much more muted state by state debate as it probably should have been in the first place.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:49 PM (bDjBG)

234 231 I really doubt a Sitting SCJudge, it already was suspected one of the Leftists clerks did it

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2023 04:48 PM (xhxe

But nobody EVER commits perjury!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 19, 2023 04:49 PM (ynpvh)

235 Bringing in the FBI lol Ace you're losing it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 19, 2023 04:49 PM (QRdjz)

236 233 Now it is a much more muted state by state debate as it probably should have been in the first place.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:49 PM (bDjBG)

========

Now apply to every domestic policy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:49 PM (LvTSG)

237 Whitewashing a breach of protocol is racist.

This is all bullshit, - when I'm at home and fart after a satisfying meal, the FBI has the capacity to know what I ate and to know the character of my flatulence.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 19, 2023 04:50 PM (kaTkN)

238 An ass with both hands moment.

Goatse!

Posted by: Shep! at January 19, 2023 04:50 PM (Vu7A1)

239 "I really doubt a Sitting SCJudge, it already was suspected one of the Leftists clerks did it. "

Or both in coordination. Just sayin.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 19, 2023 04:50 PM (IaTa3)

240 If the FBI had been brought in, they would have stormed Thomas' home at 2 am and shot him.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 19, 2023 04:50 PM (lTGtQ)

241 Forgot to add that the SC has become politicized as well, actually I don't see that as really new. This was a win for life at the most basic level, in the womb. Happy for the states that have the decency to do what they can with the murder of the most innocent. Fuck CA and the rest of the ghoul states.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 19, 2023 04:50 PM (2NHgQ)

242 217 By making this decision, the SC made sure that the democrats were fired up.

But in red areas, which is where abortion was most likely to actually be restricted, blue votes were way down.

Your point might be valid, but its all those ballots, not tied to actual voters, in the various blue areas that won the day for them in 2022.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:45 PM (lc5cP)

Not necessarily. NY did surprisingly well for Republicans this last election cycle, even though Lee Zeldin lost. One theory behind this is that Hochul spent a lot of effort getting out the pro-abortion youth vote in places like hipster Brooklyn, running up her totals while leaving the upstate vote untouched. NY is a dodgy state, but that legitimate strategy could have worked also.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 19, 2023 04:51 PM (/iWhV)

243 Next time a big case comes up it will happen again

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2023 04:51 PM (xhxe8)

244 It's a pizza once you put it in the oven!

No, no!

It's a pizza once you put your hands in the dough!

Posted by: Chief SCROTUM Roberts, Epstein Island Visitor at January 19, 2023 04:51 PM (YypaB)

245 The funny thing is, all he has managed to do is show the court incompetent.

Usually I say away from the clown world meme, but this really does it. The Supreme court of the land, staffed by people who routinely don't understand basic things like what confidentiality is, and at this point, I can believe it.

Posted by: Voyager at January 19, 2023 04:51 PM (up0HB)

246 By making this decision, the SC made sure that the democrats were fired up.

But in red areas, which is where abortion was most likely to actually be restricted, blue votes were way down.

Your point might be valid, but its all those ballots, not tied to actual voters, in the various blue areas that won the day for them in 2022.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 19, 2023 04:45 PM (lc5cP)

So very much this. Abortion didn't sway the vote, the vote counters did.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 19, 2023 04:52 PM (BdMk6)

247 223 Roberts is such a company man that he thinks he is maintaining the dignity of the court. He doesn't seem to realize that to the rest of the nation, left or right, he is making it look stupid. Typical Bush appointment
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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Roberts isn't. Roberts is a political hack just like Warren Burger and Earl Warren were and Rehnquist wasn't. Both Roberts and Burger were essentially not troubled by principle and reasoned thought in what they produced but is the type that tries to dress up their decision post hoc with legal arguments.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:52 PM (bDjBG)

248 And there's a chance that the makeup of the court could last 10 years.

Thomas in charge with Gorsuch having started work on an anti-Chevron coalition from the day he got there.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:48 PM (LvTSG)
*******
Don't forget Alito.
I Keep all 6 of them in my daily prayers... even Roberts.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 19, 2023 04:52 PM (NpAcC)

249 I mean the FBI would have held the Supreme court for a month and a half before sending in tanks to burn the building to the ground...
Might have even had Ginni Thomas shot in the head by a sniper...

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at January 19, 2023 04:52 PM (53oGX)

250 So it was definitely the judge. Roberts has zero credibility.

Posted by: squid at January 19, 2023 04:52 PM (0hcwD)

251 250 So it was definitely the judge. Roberts has zero credibility.
Posted by: squid at January 19, 2023 04:52 PM (0hcwD)

=========

I think he lost credibility with the conservative justices when he begged them not to take up election cases, swearing that letting Biden take power would return America to normalcy, and things just got worse.

Thomas and Alito just looked at each other and said, "Let's burn this motherfucker down."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:54 PM (LvTSG)

252 Essentially, the abortion ruling has removed it from the national conversation which upsets both parties--GOPe which liked to fund raise off of it while doing nothing and the Dems who fundraised off of it and sought to increase it by any means to the last second before birth occurred. For some maybe most Dems, even that was not enough.

I'm glad this ruling removed Roe from the national conversation

Posted by: JoeF. at January 19, 2023 04:54 PM (mR6Gs)

253 I vote we hold Roberts accountable for his court and whatever happens there.

He can't find the leaker, then he's left with the blame.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 19, 2023 04:54 PM (z/ifB)

254 Now apply to every domestic policy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Pretty much. If the US is to continue to exist, basically the federal government must retreat to its few necessary functions and leave most domestic regulation to the states and localities.

Plus the losers in the state political battles should not be allowed to escalate their conflicts to the national government for it to regulate.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:55 PM (bDjBG)

255 Nothing Will Happen: The Miniseries

Posted by: ... at January 19, 2023 04:56 PM (BXxcV)

256 American mandate is the most powerful force in the political World.

So it goes, my mandate is bigger than yours. Oh yeah, well my mandate is...

First are words, documents, trickery. Then blood, sweat and tears.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 19, 2023 04:56 PM (aWC9m)

257 254 Pretty much. If the US is to continue to exist, basically the federal government must retreat to its few necessary functions and leave most domestic regulation to the states and localities.

Plus the losers in the state political battles should not be allowed to escalate their conflicts to the national government for it to regulate.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:55 PM (bDjBG)

========

Gosh, if only there were a pair of amendments, passed a couple of hundred years ago, that helped iron out this idea in a way that's easy to understand and apply...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:56 PM (LvTSG)

258 FWIW, I think you are correct from what I have read about the case and ensuing leak. Roberts wanted to preserve the shell of Roe instead of sending it back to the states.

...

It does seem like Roberts thinks he's Solomon and the best decisions always involve splitting the baby.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 19, 2023 04:56 PM (z/ifB)

259 I'm glad this ruling removed Roe from the national conversation
Posted by: JoeF.

Federalizing everything risks a civil war far more than allowing the states to decide. In essence, Dred Scott made the Civil War inevitable as slave owners sought to take their slaves everywhere including a pending case involving NYC.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:57 PM (bDjBG)

260 Related: OJ's Search for The Real Killer Enters 20th Year

Posted by: ... at January 19, 2023 04:57 PM (BXxcV)

261 We're not going to interpret our way out of this mess.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 19, 2023 04:57 PM (44ww/)

262 259 Federalizing everything risks a civil war far more than allowing the states to decide. In essence, Dred Scott made the Civil War inevitable as slave owners sought to take their slaves everywhere including a pending case involving NYC.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:57 PM (bDjBG)

=========

I swore the South was all about states' rights.

*ducks*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:57 PM (LvTSG)

263 Next time it happens it will be no big deal.

Posted by: fd at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (iayUP)

264 I'm sticking with my theory: Sotomayor leaked a draft to the WH to give them a "heads-up" of what was coming, and the WH leaked it to Politico because they needed a distraction back in April.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (wmDcS)

265 It does seem like Roberts thinks he's Solomon and the best decisions always involve splitting the baby.

Posted by: TexasDan at January 19, 2023 04:56 PM (z/ifB)

Is that what Solomon thought?

Posted by: ... at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (BXxcV)

266 I did it!

Yeah, it was me!

And my wife...uh...Morgan Fairchild!

Posted by: Miklos, Congenial Liar at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (yUKw+)

267 >Pretty much. If the US is to continue to exist, basically the federal government must retreat to its few necessary functions and leave most domestic regulation to the states and localities.

Plus the losers in the state political battles should not be allowed to escalate their conflicts to the national government for it to regulate.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:55 PM (bDjBG)

Unfortunately, the majority of your countrymen either:
a. see it very differently and want cradle to grave fed control over their lives
b. have zero understanding of how our republic works.

I'm sure both apply at the same time as well.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (NgqoH)

268 263 Next time it happens it will be no big deal.
Posted by: fd at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (iayUP)

========

About a case that doesn't animate the leftist base nearly as much.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (LvTSG)

269 Nothing Will Happen: The Miniseries
Posted by: ... at January 19, 2023 04:56 PM (BXxcV)

And this is the saddest part of it all.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (BdMk6)

270 It's a tax! On our faith and goodwill.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (kaTkN)

271 talking to my congressman...
"does defense spending include funding the environmental wing of the US Army Corps of Engineers?"

'I don't know. I hope not'

"well the USDA spends 85% of its budget on welfare"

...crickets...

Posted by: DanMan at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (DB6tu)

272 Nothing Will Happen: The Miniseries

Posted by: ... at January 19, 2023 04:56 PM (BXxcV)

--------

Non-Mystery Theater.

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 19, 2023 04:59 PM (n+vut)

273 Next time it happens it will be no big deal.
Posted by: fd at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (iayUP)
*******
It will become the norm.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 19, 2023 04:59 PM (NpAcC)

274 "Federalizing everything risks a civil war far more than allowing the states to decide. In essence, Dred Scott made the Civil War inevitable as slave owners sought to take their slaves everywhere including a pending case involving NYC.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 04:57 PM (bDjBG)"

This is a truth bomb, Whig, and the Founders and Framers knew it. It's also why the states are constantly saving our liberties.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 19, 2023 05:00 PM (IaTa3)

275 > So it was definitely the judge. Roberts has zero credibility.

Posted by: squid

hen's a tax

Posted by: DB at January 19, 2023 05:00 PM (geLO8)

276 It does seem like Roberts thinks he's Solomon and the best decisions always involve splitting the baby.
Posted by: TexasDan

---------
O'Conner had this annoying tendency as well which at least in Kelo came back to bite her in the ass. The court majority cited her own majority opinion in Midkiff to justify letting New London take Kelo's property for a public purpose.

Kennedy did so on a few subjects near and dear to him.

Essentially, Roberts lets the political arena dictate his rulings and then writes the opinions to justify that. Rehnquist, Thomas, and Alito, espoused consistent theories and then applied them to their cases. The last principled leftist judge was probably Thurgood Marshall actually and before him Hugo Black.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 05:00 PM (bDjBG)

277 Is that what Solomon thought?
Posted by: ... at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (BXxcV)

He had a magic ring that controlled demons.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 19, 2023 05:01 PM (UuD2k)

278 HE

he's a tax
comment failed

Posted by: DB at January 19, 2023 05:01 PM (geLO8)

279 talking to my congressman...
"does defense spending include funding the environmental wing of the US Army Corps of Engineers?"

'I don't know. I hope not'

"well the USDA spends 85% of its budget on welfare"

...crickets...

Posted by: DanMan at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (DB6tu)
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You're not supposed to go off-script in Hollywood-for-Ugly-People.

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 19, 2023 05:02 PM (n+vut)

280 My theory: They know who it is and won't tell us.

Fine.

Just make the Justice connected to the leak in any way wear a dunce cap in the private chamber meetings. That's all I ask.

Posted by: LizLem at January 19, 2023 05:02 PM (+mkOR)

281 O'Conner had this annoying tendency as well which at least in Kelo came back to bite her in the ass. The court majority cited her own majority opinion in Midkiff to justify letting New London take Kelo's property for a public purpose.

Kennedy did so on a few subjects near and dear to him.

Essentially, Roberts lets the political arena dictate his rulings and then writes the opinions to justify that. Rehnquist, Thomas, and Alito, espoused consistent theories and then applied them to their cases. The last principled leftist judge was probably Thurgood Marshall actually and before him Hugo Black.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 05:00 PM

Point of order.....Kelo Vs. The City of New London Development Corporation did not give Kelo's property to the *public*. It gave her private property to the pfizer corporation.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 19, 2023 05:03 PM (uNylN)

282 This is a truth bomb, Whig, and the Founders and Framers knew it. It's also why the states are constantly saving our liberties.
Posted by: Marcus T

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For the most part, the states were our originators of liberty, not the federal government as it taught. The sad thing is that most lawyers have no idea how to employ their state constitutions for liberty and neither do the judges in these states because for the last century or so, national constitutional law is what is taught.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 05:03 PM (bDjBG)

283 Something, something wisdom of crowds:

Politics . Trending
Sotomayor
2,200 Tweets

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 19, 2023 05:03 PM (XF9Gj)

284 From previous thread:

As I said, the easiest way out of the trap is simply for the FCC to require broadcast stations to reserve time on their schedule for party broadcasts as part of their public interest requirement for licensing.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 03:57 PM (bDjBG)
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Nothing personal, but this is a stupid idea.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 19, 2023 05:04 PM (ju2Fy)

285 the states are constantly saving our liberties.

NAW AHH

Posted by: Commiefornia at January 19, 2023 05:04 PM (QGetb)

286 Sotomayor is trending on Twitter.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 19, 2023 05:06 PM (NpAcC)

287 'Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.'
-Darth Roberts

Posted by: Eromero at January 19, 2023 05:06 PM (z3WCn)

288
Point of order.....Kelo Vs. The City of New London Development Corporation did not give Kelo's property to the *public*. It gave her private property to the pfizer corporation.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)

And there (there!) is the precipitating event for their pathway to clot shots!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 19, 2023 05:06 PM (pNxlR)

289 >>> He [solomon] had a magic ring that controlled demons.

Has anyone seen the thousands of years of longing movie, or whatever it was called? I liked it, it felt like old Oscar bait from the 90s. Very what dreams may come. The take on Solomon was fun.

But you cannot convince me a genie is going to fall in love with a Tilda Swinton type when he was in love with the Queen of Sheba.

Posted by: LizLem at January 19, 2023 05:07 PM (+mkOR)

290 Point of order.....Kelo Vs. The City of New London Development Corporation did not give Kelo's property to the *public*. It gave her private property to the pfizer corporation.
Posted by: Mister Scott
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Not exactly, it allowed a public redevelopment corporation created by New London to use eminent domain in order to convey the property to Pfizer. Prior caselaw allowed individual properties to be condemned for 'blight' in order to redevelop. But, Kelo's property was not 'blighted' so New London used Midkiff v. Hawaii as its justification. Hawaii had a few really large landowners who never sold the land but only leased it for homebuilders. Hawaii sought to condemn this land and sell it to the homeowners citing a public purpose in conveying this land from one private owner to another. A decision authored by O'Conner allowed it under a public purpose justification.

That is why New London is who is being sued.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 05:07 PM (bDjBG)

291 271 talking to my congressman...
"does defense spending include funding the environmental wing of the US Army Corps of Engineers?"

'I don't know. I hope not'

"well the USDA spends 85% of its budget on welfare"

...crickets...
Posted by: DanMan at January 19, 2023 04:58 PM (DB6tu)

The plug *will* get pulled, and there won't be enough turbines to shovel the schnitz into.

It is The Plan.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at January 19, 2023 05:08 PM (MkuC5)

292 Nood.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 19, 2023 05:08 PM (PiwSw)

293 > Justice Roberts, with the thumb drive, in the conservatory.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 19, 2023 04:14 PM (Cus5s)

And by "thumb drive" we mean "thumb" and by "conservatory" we mean "the ass of a child prostitute".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 19, 2023 05:08 PM (bW8dp)

294 O'Conner had this annoying tendency as well which at least in Kelo came back to bite her in the ass.

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Yeah, or in 2003 putting a 25-year limit on racial preferences & affirmative action.

Jeebus, embarrassing ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Ctrl+Galt+Delete to remove the The Great Reset malware virus at January 19, 2023 05:08 PM (n+vut)

295 "...the Clerks admitted telling their spouses...'
It's like The Orient Express, they ALL did it.
So, no one is guilty.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 19, 2023 05:09 PM (7Fj9P)

296 And there (there!) is the precipitating event for their pathway to clot shots!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
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Nope, that is an early 1900's decision. Jacobson v. Massachusetts in 1905. Jacobson already had smallpox and so tried to avoid the mandate for a smallpox vaccination. The Court said nay as it was a justified police power of the state and Jacobson was just fined for refusal to be vaxxed.

Curiously though, in Jacobson, the Court used federalism to declare there that the vaccine was a justified use of the state's (not federal) police powers and should be a state case instead of federal.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 05:12 PM (bDjBG)

297 Nothing personal, but this is a stupid idea.
Posted by: olddog in mo
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Care to explain? The airwaves are specifically public and virtually every other liberal democracy country requires just that. It is a state enforced monopoly that allows the stations to print money in perpetuity.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2023 05:15 PM (bDjBG)

298 Those naked wrestling pictures of Justice Robert’s are still out there….

Posted by: Justin Casteau at January 19, 2023 05:15 PM (ai2Yq)

299 Does that happen in the Buttjudge household?

Posted by: Rev The Buzz

Too young yet. Give them a few months.

Posted by: Pete Bootyjudge at January 19, 2023 05:18 PM (ai2Yq)

300 Robert’s loves his dinner parties.

Posted by: Justin Castreau at January 19, 2023 05:19 PM (ai2Yq)

301 Let's see on September 6 last year....Jeffrey Minear, longtime counselor to U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, is stepping down from his post.

I suspect that the leak suspects begin and end with Minear and Roberts is fully aware of his guilt!

Posted by: JT Smith at January 19, 2023 05:40 PM (FxdZx)

302 "JUST IN - Charlotte FC defender Anton Walkes dies aged 25. -- Its a coincidence."

Boating accident ... but hospital probably reported it as a Covid death ... cha-ching, heh.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 19, 2023 04:22 PM (Cus5s)

THIS was no boating accident!

Posted by: Hooper at January 19, 2023 05:49 PM (Zvtjl)

303 Jeffrey Minear,

FFS, the guy was in his 60s and retired.

Posted by: Ignoramus at January 19, 2023 05:56 PM (SJsWC)

304 Roberts decided to leave the investigation to the Marshall of the Supreme Court
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Ironically, we were just discussing Barney Fife the other night.

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