Support




Contact
Ace:
aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com
CBD:
cbd.aoshq at gee mail.com
Buck:
buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com
joe mannix:
mannix2024 at proton.me
MisHum:
petmorons at gee mail.com
Powered by
Movable Type





Thomas the Tank Engine and the University System [TJM]



At a mathematics education conference previously reported by Campus Reform in which numerous scholars pushed for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (DEI), one speaker stood out by arguing that boys in particular are at a disadvantage in numerous ways in American K-12 education.

What is it about our education system that has so much disdain for young men? As the father of two boys early in their education, this does concern me personally. They love to run around and scream and play, and as frustrating as it can be at times for me, it's how they grow. It's a natural state, so even if I'm trying to work from home and I have them both around running around and screaming, I know that demanding that they just sit around quietly is not going to lost too terribly long. They're going to get up, throw things, and just generally be loud.

Another thing I've come to appreciate is their desire to be around mechanical things. I had similar obsessions as a boy, but I left the desire to take things apart and put them back together again behind years ago. However, there was a point earlier this year when we brought out some of the elder boy's old toys, a trainset of Thomas the Tank Engine with motorized engines on plastic tracks, something we'd stored away in the attic for at least a couple of years, and both boys were enraptured by it. In fact, it's a common thing to hear from the younger boy these days, "Play trains!" in between bouts of the two beating each other with cardboard boxes, of course.

That interest could become something greater in later years if encouraged at home and at school: an interest in general hard sciences or engineering. What would the modern day STEM crowd say to something like that?

Probably something like this:

[T]he speaker's presentation "did not exemplify appropriate scholarly inquiry and was counterproductive with respect to PME-NA's goal of inclusion from the updated PME-NA equity statement, which includes 'welcoming and making spaces for members of our community that have previously been othered.'"

The idea of "othering" interests me because it's become an unalloyed bad thing in discussion these days. I see it as generally a neutral thing with people deciding to create their own in-groups and self-identifying with them while creating distinctions between their own groups with similar interests and features against the rest of the world. A band of friends with their own unique experiences is a good thing to have. It brings people together and unites them. It doesn't necessarily mean that the "other" is evil, just different and not of the in group.

Like much in modern culture and language, though, the "other" has become a bastardized version of itself where anything that "otherizes" people is evil...unless that other is white men, of course. What did this person say that pissed off the governing board so much?

Quoting the book, the speaker said that "boys are falling behind in school because the educational system is structured in ways that puts them at a disadvantage."

In regards to gender, the speaker posed the question, "Given current evidence, should we not also reassure boys that they too belong [in STEM-related fields]?"


Should white boys be actively discouraged from entering STEM fields because of their skin color and sex? Would we say that to a little black girl who loved to play with train sets? Of course not, but the idea of saying that boys belong in STEM pisses off some people, and those people have power.

When only the color of your skin matters, does a civilization thrive? When it's a constant battle for intersectionality points, can a civilization grow? I'm not saying my two boys will design the space elevator (*note to self - pressure boys to build space elevator*), but maybe their intelligence, interests, and talents could lead them to gain the skills to build some quality bridges. Or they can just keep hitting each other with cardboard boxes until they die of old age, I guess.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 01:30 PM




Comments

(Jump to bottom of comments)

1 SPONGE!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:31 PM (pyVNc)

2 I'll note there is a LOT of weird ass Thomas the Tank Engine content on the internet. This could get crazy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:32 PM (pyVNc)

3 Needs more Choo-Choo Charlie.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at January 04, 2023 01:32 PM (zB/T/)

4 >have previously been othered

Your turn to be Othered, white man.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 04, 2023 01:34 PM (99tLL)

5 So called "Higher Education" is infested with left wing commie ideology and ignorance. I have been warning about this for 25 years or more. "WE" those who worked to build and defend this Country let it happen because we were actually doing things. Sigh. We fucked up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 01:34 PM (Irn0L)

6 Where's the Transportation Secretary in all this??

Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 04, 2023 01:34 PM (Angsy)

7 I've been listening to the local Bollywood station in the car.

Who are the advertisers?

Online engineering tutoring outfits.

I'm tempted to sign up. $5/hour.

Posted by: JEM at January 04, 2023 01:34 PM (azT6H)

8 DIEsel is the worst.
Don't be DIEsel.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 04, 2023 01:34 PM (/1/OW)

9 What is it about our education system that has so much disdain for young men?

They have to destroy masculinity, independence, and skepticism in order for the utopian new world order to be imposed on everyone. That's why all the new action heroes are wimps who get PTSD from saving the world or are weedy geeks, or homosexual. You cannot have a strong, masculine, heroic figure any more (although every once in a while one sneaks in).

If there is a strong, heroic figure, they have to be made into a loser, a failure, the butt of every joke, or simply kllled off.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:35 PM (0hOvj)

10 They'll build the space elevator if you intimidate them enough into it.

Posted by: XTC at January 04, 2023 01:35 PM (UnA8+)

11 It used to be that not all people were supposed to go into higher education. Some people, some guys in particular, just want to work on...stuff. Build stuff, break stuff, fix stuff.

As Mike Rowe would agree, we need more guidance to get boys into skilled trades instead of higher ed.

Some guys are more 'bookish' and more interested in sitting, thinking and talking. That's fine but not every boy is like me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:35 PM (pyVNc)

12 Willowed:

> I didn't see it but I heard he reshot "the Thing" as a western in Hateful Eight.

I suppose that could be the source. But if you boil Hateful Eight down to a bunch of strangers meeting in an isolated place, and nobody's who they seem, and murders happen, it's a pretty standard mystery story.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2023 01:35 PM (eyxn4)

13 They also don't want Asians in STEM either and are extra butthurt that they won't comply with their busybody meddling in society.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2023 01:35 PM (UuD2k)

14 My daughter too loved Thomas the Train and did not like playing with dolls. She is perfectly well adjusted and grew up to be a materials engineer. Nothing wrong with train toys.

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at January 04, 2023 01:36 PM (P7Iz+)

15 It's easier to understand the Progressive mindset and everything that flows from it if you realize that one of their core axioms is that life is a zero-sum game.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 04, 2023 01:36 PM (99tLL)

16 When only the color of your skin matters, does a civilization thrive?

It doesn't and unfortunately, that seems to be the plan.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 04, 2023 01:36 PM (Xrfse)

17 [T]he speaker's presentation "did not exemplify appropriate scholarly inquiry and was counterproductive with respect to PME-NA's goal of inclusion from the updated PME-NA equity statement, which includes 'welcoming and making spaces for members of our community that have previously been othered.'"
++++
You will pay for the crimes of the past. What crimes? Whatever they say. How far in the past? However far they say. The penalty for objection? Whatever they say.

You *will* accept the guilt. You *will* attempt to work off your guilt in whatever manner they dictate. You *will* thank them for giving you your chance to work toward redemption.

If you object, question, debate or otherwise interfere with your designated role as sacrificial animal, you will be punished severely. You will be ostracized, impoverished or killed - or all three in sequence.

Martin Luther went to war with the Roman Church over far, far, less.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 01:36 PM (t0OGg)

18 "boys are falling behind in school because the educational system is structured in ways that puts them at a disadvantage."

The first step in this was the outrageous, blatant, ridiculous lie that girls were being ignored and downplayed or oppressed in school. Everyone who ever went to school knew this was horseshit, but in the 90s they managed to convince (or at least, wink wink go along with) the lie in academia and establishment culture. So boys, who already were basically left behind in school, became even more so.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:36 PM (0hOvj)

19 Speaking of education . . .

I learn a new word. I told a friend about the two spirit First People Indigenous People's director who is.actually a YT person. He told me there's a word for that, pretendians.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 01:36 PM (FVME7)

20 Every institution in the country has disdain and contempt -- and outright hatred -- for young men, especially white men. Why should education be any different?

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:36 PM (iFTx/)

21 I suppose that could be the source. But if you boil Hateful Eight down to a bunch of strangers meeting in an isolated place, and nobody's who they seem, and murders happen, it's a pretty standard mystery story.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2023 01:35 PM (eyxn4)


10 Little Indians comes to mind.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at January 04, 2023 01:37 PM (zB/T/)

22 when my son was a toddler, I bought him a small set of miniature REAL tools (two screwdrivers, pliers, an adjustable wrench, all quite real just small. I sequestered the small also-real hammer lest he retaliate against his sister's depredations in a mortal fashion), and he happily spent hours out in the driveway removing my license plates and putting them back on.
I had to check before going anywhere that they were in fact ON at the moment.
He also developed the habit of loosening doorknobs, and when one would come off in my hand, he'd yell "I'll fix it mama!" and come running to put it back on.
He knows his way around most of a car now.

Posted by: barbarausa at January 04, 2023 01:37 PM (uAuXI)

23 > Should white boys be actively discouraged from entering STEM fields because of their skin color and sex?

They want white boys out of any successful or influential position altogether.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2023 01:37 PM (eyxn4)

24
"did not exemplify appropriate scholarly inquiry and was counterproductive with respect to PME-NA's goal of inclusion from the updated PME-NA equity statement, which includes 'welcoming and making spaces for members of our community that have previously been othered.'"



Academia appears to be a system of teaching purple-haired mental patients with bones in their noses how to be incoherent using multi-syllabic words.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 04, 2023 01:37 PM (n+4am)

25 I haven't thought about Thomas the Tank Engine in years.

Ringo > Carlin.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 04, 2023 01:37 PM (e+csY)

26 21 I suppose that could be the source. But if you boil Hateful Eight down to a bunch of strangers meeting in an isolated place, and nobody's who they seem, and murders happen, it's a pretty standard mystery story.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2023 01:35 PM (eyxn4)

10 Little Indians comes to mind.
Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at January 04, 2023 01:37 PM (zB/T/)

Don't tell QT what the original title was...he'll remake that next.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:38 PM (pyVNc)

27 6 Where's the Transportation Secretary in all this??
Posted by: OrangeEnt


Under his 'husband'?

Posted by: JEM at January 04, 2023 01:38 PM (azT6H)

28 I suppose that could be the source. But if you boil Hateful Eight down to a bunch of strangers meeting in an isolated place, and nobody's who they seem, and murders happen, it's a pretty standard mystery story.
==
In a blizzard.

I think its a valid critique of him that he's soooo much doing the homage thing, that there's not much original creativity there. But, I don't watch a lot of movies, and only have seen about 4 tarantino movies so far.

Posted by: I don't watch a lot of movies anymore at January 04, 2023 01:38 PM (Qt+JW)

29 I don't want to watch the GOP fight each other. I want to see them fight the Dums. But that never happens. So instead we get this moist bukkake shitshow over the Speaker election, with the GOP engaged in their usual circular firing squad. But as soon as that's over and McCarthy is the speaker, the GOP will go right back to opening their ass cheeks for the Dums. So what’s the point?

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:38 PM (iFTx/)

30 Related, I just saw where women with advanced degrees who post things online (twitter and similar I assume) are angry because men are linked and people will ask the men to explain it in more relatable terms.

And the women are furious that someone who is better at explaining things is being asked to do the thing that they're good at, because WOMAN, dammit, and you shouldn't ask a man who isn't a Super Science Degree Holder to explain things when she just explained it poorly.

Posted by: The shots were safe and effective. Some people got safe, some people got effective. at January 04, 2023 01:38 PM (JTIc2)

31 Huh, at a disadvantage when they have been explicitly working at it for decades? Who could have seen that coming?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:39 PM (zZu0s)

32 Posted by: barbarausa at January 04, 2023 01:37 PM (uAuXI)
==============
That's a wonderful story

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 04, 2023 01:39 PM (W5GbK)

33 Isn't it weird how the literally worst thing ever (straight, traditionally masculine male) is box office gold? (Maverick, Expendables, John Wick, etc). We need more re-education, stat!

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 04, 2023 01:39 PM (5B+J1)

34 We have all of our son's Thomas The Tank Engine stuff. He was absorbed in Thomas until he was six. I used to read him the Thomas catalog before bed. He loved it.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 04, 2023 01:39 PM (D8mow)

35 *throw boxes at Horde*

Posted by: TJM's sons at January 04, 2023 01:39 PM (EHcEg)

36 I don't mind derivative art (books, etc) because to a certain extent all writers, artists, filmmakers etc "steal" from the past. Rewriting Treasure Island in a fantasy setting isn't theft or being derivative unless you are really blatant and uncreative about it.

Eregon stealing Star Wars' script doesn't make it bad necessarily, its how it is handled. Sword of Shannara was a really terrible Lord of the Rings ripoff, for example.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:40 PM (0hOvj)

37 >They have to destroy masculinity, independence, and skepticism in order for the utopian new world order to be imposed on everyone.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:35 PM (0hOvj)

Right, that's why the academy is a safe space for conformity and "pro-social" activities, which are highly feminine traits. They're making it actively hostile to a typical man on purpose. Any males who do survive have to either be simpin' useful idiots or keep their heads down and hope they can make it to the finish line without slipping up or losing their minds.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 04, 2023 01:40 PM (99tLL)

38 And what of the Little Engine That Could?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (FVME7)

39 i have carefully nurtured Junior-ette's interest in computers and linear problem solving to get and keep her interest in stem related education. she selected a software engineering curriculum herself for her college degree. entry wages for a software engineer here in north 'bama are about $80k/year this year.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (3CCua)

40 Isn't it weird how the literally worst thing ever (straight, traditionally masculine male) is box office gold?

Oddly enough both men and women, for different reasons, love to see strong, heroic, masculine characters on screen.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (0hOvj)

41 Let’s just hope the left doesn’t reboot Thomas and turn the Isle of Sodor into the Isle of Sodom.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (cR4lE)

42 Huck Follywood, i had to do it to save my own tools.
I could never lay hands on my own when I needed them, because he'd have taken them somewhere

Posted by: barbarausa at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (uAuXI)

43 I haven't been immersed into the deep end of marxist identity struggles yet. When I talk to normalish every-day people in engineering they will quickly tell me the equivalent of, "I've been informed that there exists in the universe at some point of time from the big bang to now at least one occurrence of a female employed in engineering, therefore, we must concentrate primarily on female engineers because doing anything else would make me a bad person and would not support the current thing"

Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (0fVbu)

44 The constitutions of the USSR and North Korea are stuffed full with all sorts rights for the people.

The mass graves are in the interpretation and enforcement. And who gets to do that.

The same with every single bit, part and parcel of any and all "Diversity, Inclusion and Equity" statement.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM (lQyVY)

45 18 The first step in this was the outrageous, blatant, ridiculous lie that girls were being ignored and downplayed or oppressed in school. Everyone who ever went to school knew this was horseshit, but in the 90s they managed to convince (or at least, wink wink go along with) the lie in academia and establishment culture. So boys, who already were basically left behind in school, became even more so.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:36 PM (0hOvj)

Most of my teachers growing up would constantly say they wished they had classes of only girls, so yeah, DEFINITELY not being ignored.

Posted by: XTC at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM (UnA8+)

46 My son is 16, and the debate whether college is worth it is hot and heavy. Currently, 'not worth it' is winning. He has built himself a motorized bicycle, is currently restoring a '94 Toyota MR2 complete with a power train swap to a turbo/manual, and we can't see where going to college would help him in his goal of owning/operating a car performance shop. If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.

Posted by: Jeff in NC at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM (n2Y2C)

47 Putin sends warship of hypersonic missiles past UK

https://tinyurl.com/6mb3c46f
------------------

It's a frigate. It's 1 frigate.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM (Y5qcH)

48 Dark humor.

Some Chicagoans are very upset that Lori Lightfoot will be housing migrants in their neighborhood

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM (FVME7)

49 38 And what of the Little Engine That Could?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (FVME7)

He never could have out-fought Santino

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (pyVNc)

50 Should white boys be actively discouraged from entering STEM fields because of their skin color and sex? Would we say that to a little black girl who loved to play with train sets? Of course not, but the idea of saying that boys belong in STEM pisses off some people, and those people have power.
++++
This is all working toward an equitable distribution of power. Men in general - and white men in particular - historically have held the commanding heights of power and society is structured around the white male worldview and as a result white males are asymmetrically empowered while other groups are marginalized and disempowered. This structural condition *must* be fought in order to bring about an end to historical and contemporary injustice.

Encouraging white men to enter STEM fields serves to perpetuate the white male societal structure that was designed by and works for the advancement of those same white men. The only way to achieve equity is for those white men to cede the spaces they illegitimately and unjustly dominate to marginalized groups.

Education is a key mechanism to overcome this structural failure, and part of that is encouraging pro-equity changes.

Posted by: Your Kid's Elementary Education Professor at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (t0OGg)

51 Those diesels are sh*t stirrers, always causing trouble....

Posted by: lin-duh (y'all/all y'all) at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (S3NS6)

52 Eregon stealing Star Wars' script doesn't make it bad necessarily, its how it is handled. Sword of Shannara was a really terrible Lord of the Rings ripoff, for example.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:40 PM (0hOvj)

I dunno. The Elfstones sequel I liked quite a bit for some reason. Also his... Magic Kingdom for Sale(?) book. This has been 30 odd years since I read them, but I enjoyed them then.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (zZu0s)

53 Oddly enough both men and women, for different reasons, love to see strong, heroic, masculine characters on screen.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (0hOvj)

***

Does that make us Ghey?

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (flINI)

54 Where's the Transportation Secretary in all this??
Posted by: OrangeEnt

trying to make the trains run on time...

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (Mkvkw)

55 Yes most people are not supposed to go to college and that is why they made all of the leftist "studies" degrees. Those degrees are useless but give the system so mush money and indoctrinate so well they cannot be slowed down.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (u4CEu)

56 Thomas was sore, but Sir Topham Hat said he wasn't finished yet.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (vN+oL)

57 I did buy Choo Choo Charles but only played for a little while. I'll do it on the weekend late at night like I did with Resident Evil 4.

A spider the size of a train with more needle-teeth than the thing from IT.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (44ww/)

58 Some Chicagoans are very upset that Lori Lightfoot will be housing migrants in their neighborhood
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM (FVME7)

Send them to Highland Park and Naperville.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 04, 2023 01:44 PM (ufFY8)

59 I don't mind derivative art (books, etc) because to a certain extent all writers, artists, filmmakers etc "steal" from the past. Rewriting Treasure Island in a fantasy setting isn't theft or being derivative unless you are really blatant and uncreative about it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:40 PM (0hOvj)

There are only seven stories, repeated endlessly.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 04, 2023 01:44 PM (Angsy)

60 Speaking of, I'm not handy but I've bought a Glock front sight tool. Damn PSA Dagger front sight has come loose. Looks like it wasn't loctited.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:44 PM (pyVNc)

61 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:40 PM (0hOvj)

they say there are only SEVEN different types of stories.

Just like there is a finite amount of musical note combinations that are pleasing to the ear.

Given enough time, every story will be told, every song will have been sung.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 04, 2023 01:44 PM (oHd/0)

62 18 "boys are falling behind in school because the educational system is structured in ways that puts them at a disadvantage."

The first step in this was the outrageous, blatant, ridiculous lie that girls were being ignored and downplayed or oppressed in school. Everyone who ever went to school knew this was horseshit, but in the 90s they managed to convince (or at least, wink wink go along with) the lie in academia and establishment culture. So boys, who already were basically left behind in school, became even more so.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:36 PM (0hOvj)
____________________

I think it goes back before the 90s. They've been working on this for 100 years. At one time, women and girls truly were discriminated against and belittled. They weren't allowed to vote or have any legal identity apart from their husbands. That was all rectified long ago. But no victimized group ever gives up being a victim. So new bogeymen needed to be found.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:45 PM (iFTx/)

63 I don't want to watch the GOP fight each other. I want to see them fight the Dums. But that never happens. So instead we get this moist bukkake shitshow over the Speaker election, with the GOP engaged in their usual circular firing squad. But as soon as that's over and McCarthy is the speaker, the GOP will go right back to opening their ass cheeks for the Dums. So what’s the point?
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:38 PM (iFTx/)
++++
The humiliation and embarrassment of the GOP is its own reward.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 01:45 PM (t0OGg)

64 Warren Davidson is spouting off while nomination KM, calling for 'unity' Fuck you.

Select an alternative.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 04, 2023 01:45 PM (ufFY8)

65
The constitutions of the USSR and North Korea are stuffed full with all sorts rights for the people.

The mass graves are in the interpretation and enforcement. And who gets to do that.

The same with every single bit, part and parcel of any and all "Diversity, Inclusion and Equity" statement.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice


Actually, mass graves are the whole point of communism/socialism. The constitutions guaranteeing rights are smokescreens, none of these commie cocksuckers are serious about it. Spilling blood and brains on the cold earth is the only thing they care about.

The same goes for the DIE proponents, it's a lie that they use as a veil and stepping stone to their true goal of mass slaughter.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (n+4am)

66 If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.
==
Honest to God, if that kid learns how to weld, he will be a millionaire by the time he is 50.

Posted by: One word Welding at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (4pCwf)

67 46 My son is 16, and the debate whether college is worth it is hot and heavy. Currently, 'not worth it' is winning. He has built himself a motorized bicycle, is currently restoring a '94 Toyota MR2 complete with a power train swap to a turbo/manual, and we can't see where going to college would help him in his goal of owning/operating a car performance shop. If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.
Posted by: Jeff in NC

A 2 yr degree from a local community and technical colleges if they have the curriculum toward his needs might be worth a look and far cheaper than a 4 yr college.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (bDjBG)

68 The Twatters are saying McCarthy is now negotiating with dems so he can get the votes.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (eyxn4)

69 Why do these idiotic republican RINOs keep making the same idiotic arguments for mccarthy? Are they really this stupid

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (Irn0L)

70 Matt Laslo
@MattLaslo
“These fucking people,” Rep. @DanCrenshawTX tells me after leaving the House floor. “Now they’re just being clowns.”
10:26 AM · Jan 4, 2023

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (MFZ8i)

71 52 Eregon stealing Star Wars' script doesn't make it bad necessarily, its how it is handled. Sword of Shannara was a really terrible Lord of the Rings ripoff, for example.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:40 PM (0hOvj)

I dunno. The Elfstones sequel I liked quite a bit for some reason. Also his... Magic Kingdom for Sale(?) book. This has been 30 odd years since I read them, but I enjoyed them then.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (zZu0s)

Sword of Shanarra isn't great. Neither is the Trek to Brega Tor, another Tolkien rip off.

But Elfstones made me cry. Poor Amberle...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (pyVNc)

72 barbarausa, thanks for telling that one. Cheers me up.

Posted by: LadyS at January 04, 2023 01:47 PM (VGiJY)

73 I like big cabooses, I cannot lie
You other RR moguls can't deny

Posted by: Sir Topham Hat at January 04, 2023 01:47 PM (4I/2K)

74 Also, Shannara might have been a redress of Tolkien in a character sense, but it wasn't in structure. Tolkien was unique in a lot of ways because it was not about finding an all powerful sword, ring whatever, but rather it was an anti-quest- to destroy the all powerful artifact.

Donaldson was also different in that it was never about finding or destroying anything, it was about being weird, creepy and figuring out how to use said McGuffin.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:47 PM (zZu0s)

75 “These fucking people,” Rep. @DanCrenshawTX tells me after leaving the House floor. “Now they’re just being clowns.”
10:26 AM · Jan 4, 2023
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (MFZ8i)

I guess he never took the class " How to win friends and influence people"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 01:47 PM (Irn0L)

76 If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.

There isn't one. He's on the right track. Aside from bombarding him with useless information and harmful ideology, it will sidetrack him from his passion. That's $100k down the drain, not to mention the other negatives, which are numerous.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 04, 2023 01:47 PM (Xrfse)

77 Way back in the olden days, when I was young, math education was about students learning math and not in any way concerned with psychology.

Those were the good old days.

Posted by: huerfano at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (dTFZY)

78 They are pol pot'ing us all the "nice" way they think. As each attempt fails to bring about the "correct" outcome the "nice" part will diminish significantly.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (0fVbu)

79 I honestly believe that if you just let a young boy watch old Looney Tunes and Three Stooges all day, he would be much better off than exposing him to the current "education" system.

Posted by: Flatville Bill at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (uMGpS)

80 I think one of the reasons we're in the mess we are in this country (and in the western world) is that we stopped shaming, "othering," and ostracizing bad behavior; behavior that degrades the culture. And it Durant preclude compassion, charity, or love.

"Oh, I don't want to judge..." the instruction to not judge is not to throw away all discernment and wisdom. The instruction is to warn us not to think we know if a person deserves heaven or hell... that judgement is for Christ, alone.

Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (Rbu5d)

81 *throw boxes at Horde*
Posted by: TJM's sons at January 04, 2023 01:39 PM


*bonks on little head with foam pool noodle*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (TTbU0)

82 But Elfstones made me cry. Poor Amberle...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (pyVNc)

Romance in the truest fashion. Candy for impressionable young dudes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (zZu0s)

83 “These fucking people,” Rep. @DanCrenshawTX tells me after leaving the House floor. “Now they’re just being clowns.”

Cyclops missed an opportunity here to smear them as Nazi clowns, which, of course, are the worst kind of clowns, as shown by Time-Life's Clowns of the Third Reich series.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (ppBhU)

84 I love the episode of Thomas when they start messing with each other, pushing each other off the tracks, covering each other in coal, derailings. Let's see Tarantino beat THAT.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (cMXNt)

85 trying to make the trains run on time...

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 04, 2023 01:43 PM (Mkvkw)

I think he got distracted by the films of trains going in and out of tunnels....

Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (Angsy)

86 I dunno. The Elfstones sequel I liked quite a bit for some reason. Also his... Magic Kingdom for Sale(?) book.

His later books were a lot better, but Sword was just a terrible ripoff of LOTR. Sold a bazillion copies, though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (0hOvj)

87 This Davidson is pissing me off.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (ufFY8)

88 Stephen Donaldson made one of my favorite fantasy duologies: 'The Mirror of her Dream' and 'A Man Rides Through'. Masterpieces of plot and characterization.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (pyVNc)

89 Matt Laslo
@MattLaslo
“These fucking people,” Rep. @DanCrenshawTX tells me after leaving the House floor. “Now they’re just being clowns.”
10:26 AM · Jan 4, 2023
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (MFZ8i)

Says one of the chief clowns of Clown World.

Posted by: Crom Laughs at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (dN42F)

90 70 Matt Laslo
@MattLaslo
“These fucking people,” Rep. @DanCrenshawTX tells me after leaving the House floor. “Now they’re just being clowns.”
10:26 AM · Jan 4, 2023
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (MFZ8i)

"Y'arr, these people be harshin' me WEF buzz! Cap'n Schwab is gonna have his parrot peck me other eye out and make me swab the decks again!"

--Cvckbeard Crenshaw, the filthy Seaman.

Posted by: XTC at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (UnA8+)

91 I like big cabooses, I cannot lie
You other RR moguls can't deny
Posted by: Sir Topham Hat at January 04, 2023 01:47 PM (4I/2K)

*golf clap*

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (Mkvkw)

92 8 DIEsel is the worst.
Don't be DIEsel.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 04, 2023 01:34 PM (/1/OW)

Lol

Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (Rbu5d)

93 I heard that "patch" Crenshaw called the Freedom Caucus republicans "His enemies." Ever heard Crenshaw, WEF bitch, call any democrat "his enemy?"

No? Me neither Cocksucking DIABLO.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (u4CEu)

94 63 I don't want to watch the GOP fight each other. I want to see them fight the Dums. But that never happens. So instead we get this moist bukkake shitshow over the Speaker election, with the GOP engaged in their usual circular firing squad. But as soon as that's over and McCarthy is the speaker, the GOP will go right back to opening their ass cheeks for the Dums. So what’s the point?
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:38 PM (iFTx/)
++++
The humiliation and embarrassment of the GOP is its own reward.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 01:45 PM (t0OGg)
_________________

I love the schadenfreude, but what's the endgame? Humiliation and embarrassment will only further encourage the Dums to treat the GOP with (deserved) contempt.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (iFTx/)

95 2 I'll note there is a LOT of weird ass Thomas the Tank Engine content on the internet. This could get crazy.

do not taunt happy, fun rule 34

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (v3pYe)

96 70 Matt Laslo
@MattLaslo
“These fucking people,” Rep. @DanCrenshawTX tells me after leaving the House floor. “Now they’re just being clowns.”
10:26 AM · Jan 4, 2023
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (MFZ8i)

MSM: Crenshaw calls for UNITY!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (oHd/0)

97 I guess he never took the class " How to win friends and influence people"?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 01:47 PM (Irn0L)

He has an eye for leadership.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (zZu0s)

98 82 But Elfstones made me cry. Poor Amberle...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (pyVNc)

Romance in the truest fashion. Candy for impressionable young dudes.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (zZu0s)

And heroic sacrifice. Victory has a cost...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:50 PM (pyVNc)

99 trying to make the trains run on time...
==
Sir Topham Hat was a stickler for punctuality.

Posted by: I see nuthing I hear nuthing! at January 04, 2023 01:50 PM (iVRsi)

100 46 My son is 16, and the debate whether college is worth it is hot and heavy. Currently, 'not worth it' is winning. He has built himself a motorized bicycle, is currently restoring a '94 Toyota MR2 complete with a power train swap to a turbo/manual, and we can't see where going to college would help him in his goal of owning/operating a car performance shop. If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.
Posted by: Jeff in NC at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM (n2Y2C)

I'd get him a community college associates in a small business related field so he knows how to run the business...you might even get that paid for. If not, it shouldn't run more than $20K, then the rest can go into the business...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 01:50 PM (exHjb)

101 In a sane world, young boys should be encouraged to:

1. Join Scouts - but the commies let gay and pedophile men become scout leaders.

2. Play contact team sports - but the commies convinced weak witted parents that those sports were misogynistic.

3. Study math and science - but the commies convinced weak minded parents those disciplines were somhow racist.




Posted by: Archer at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (gmo/4)

102 I honestly believe that if you just let a young boy watch old Looney Tunes and Three Stooges all day, he would be much better off than exposing him to the current "education" system.
Posted by: Flatville Bill at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (uMGpS)


Worked for 90% of the Moron Horde.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (zB/T/)

103 Sir Topham Hatt for Speaker.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (yQpMk)

104 My son is mechanically inclined as opposed to formal schooling, which he barely completed. When he was fourteen years old I bought an old, high-mileage clunker 4-banger so I could teach my daugher (16) to drive a manual transmission and to have transportation for herself and to taxi my son around. As I prepped to change the alternator on it my son asked if he could do it. I handed him a Haynes manual and off he went. Perfect job even unto to tension on the belt. Later went to the Army helicopter fixin' school (don't know what it's official acronym is) and not only is a top notch mechanic, but when he got home he parlayed his computer building skills (I taught him as it's my hobby) into an almost 6-figure job. College? Nah, my daugher went, I paid off her loan as promised to keep her youth as debt-free as possible, and now works in a grade school admin office making less than half her brother's wage. And he never had to listen to a teacher tell him that he was an Other whether it was the wrong sex or color.

Posted by: Robert17 at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (hu7fu)

105 @MattLaslo
“These fucking people,” Rep. @DanCrenshawTX tells me after leaving the House floor. “Now they’re just being clowns.”
---------

Hobbits, Dan. The word you're looking for is hobbits.

Posted by: The shots were safe and effective. Some people got safe, some people got effective. at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (K8Cic)

106 If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.

Posted by: Jeff in NC at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM


Business classes could be helpful, but he doesn't need a degree.

Posted by: huerfano at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (dTFZY)

107 If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.

There is no good justification. Get them set up in a trade. Even if it all blows up and he fails, you're still better off than sending them to modern higher education.

And while there are more than 7 stories, the point is valid: there are only so many ways to tell a story and stories to tell and repeating is not a crime, if you make it yours.

My second book is a rewrite of Die Hard, for instance, but in a fantasy setting with the thief as the good guy. But its so buried in the setting and twists even my editor didn't catch on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (0hOvj)

108 And heroic sacrifice. Victory has a cost...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:50 PM (pyVNc)

*fistbump*

Ever read any of the Steven Erikson Malazan books? Heroic Fantasy Tragedy is like his thing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (zZu0s)

109 *bonks on little head with foam pool noodle*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 01:48 PM (TTbU0)

*grabs red pool noodle*
*duel of the fates plays in the background*

that's it, lightsabers at 10 paces...

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (Mkvkw)

110 @59

>>There are only seven stories, repeated endlessly.

Two are in the Old Testament, two are in the New Testament, 3 are Shakespeare.


And Tarantino has cribbed from them all.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (Z18Mx)

111 Heh...this ties in neatly with the Bonus Book Thread later this afternoon...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (YIVH2)

112 Pete Aguilar is calling for killing babies be enshrined into law as he nominated Jeffries.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (ufFY8)

113 >>> I'll note there is a LOT of weird ass Thomas the Tank Engine content on the internet. This could get crazy.

do not taunt happy, fun rule 34
Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (v3pYe)


There's a horror movie kind of parody but I can't find it now.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (0fVbu)

114 I've never read Donaldson. Should I?

(The whole this great yarn begins with a good raping aspect of his series kinda curbstomped my enthusiasm.)

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (ppBhU)

115 Yeah, Engineers can still write their own ticket (at least decent ones.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (zZu0s)

116 I love the schadenfreude, but what's the endgame? Humiliation and embarrassment will only further encourage the Dums to treat the GOP with (deserved) contempt.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (iFTx/)

No, it will mean they can't fully rely on the cover of the R for Uniparty business. That's a win for us...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (exHjb)

117 >>There are only seven stories, repeated endlessly.

Two are in the Old Testament, two are in the New Testament, 3 are Shakespeare.


And Tarantino has cribbed from them all.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (Z18Mx)

Yeah but the soundtracks are killer

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (pyVNc)

118 111 Heh...this ties in neatly with the Bonus Book Thread later this afternoon...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (YIVH2)

=========

I can read your mind!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (LvTSG)

119 I love the schadenfreude, but what's the endgame? Humiliation and embarrassment will only further encourage the Dums to treat the GOP with (deserved) contempt.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (iFTx/)

The end game is the destruction of the GOP. Honestly, they are utterly worthless at the Federal level. I am for anything that causes them to BIF in a spectacular fashion.

Posted by: Crom Laughs at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (dN42F)

120 I suppose that could be the source. But if you boil Hateful Eight down to a bunch of strangers meeting in an isolated place, and nobody's who they seem, and murders happen, it's a pretty standard mystery story.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2023
*
10 Little Indians comes to mind.
Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at January 04, 2023
*
Don't tell QT what the original title was...he'll remake that next.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023


***
There is an early and very fine Ellery Queen novel where Ellery and his father are trapped on a mountaintop not by a blizzard, but by a forest fire. A murder occurs, and they must solve it; but on top of that is the ticking clock of when the fire will reach them.

If QT did that . . . On second thought, no. He'd want to cast himself as Ellery. (Shudder)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (J2vNu)

121 22..."I'll fix it mama!" and come running to put it back on.
...
Posted by: barbarausa at January 04, 2023 01:37 PM (uAuXI)

OMG, so adorable.

Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (Rbu5d)

122 I love the schadenfreude, but what's the endgame? Humiliation and embarrassment will only further encourage the Dums to treat the GOP with (deserved) contempt.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (iFTx/)
++++
Ideally, the failure of the GOP as a going concern. This humiliation will be hard to live down and the Republican majority is going to deeply and roughly sexed up the pooper by the Democrat minority, which will wreck them even further. I hope, anyway. The GOP is a failed party and this kind of crap will crush what little support for "business as usual" still has. They will limp along as the same-side whores they are. They might survive (the parties are *deeply* co-entrenched), but fewer and fewer people will respect or even care about them. They richly deserve a much worse fate, but I'll take what I can get.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (t0OGg)

123 MILFY Lauren Boebert is nominating Donald's again.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (ufFY8)

124 Posted by: barbarausa at January 04, 2023 01:37 PM (uAuXI)

I think that's a great thing you did with your son, and he obviously benefited from it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (D+F6R)

125 I'm nominating Thomas the Tank in the 9th round of the speaker vote.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 04, 2023 01:53 PM (qH6FZ)

126 She is bringing it.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 04, 2023 01:53 PM (ufFY8)

127 I've never read Donaldson. Should I?

I am not a huge fan, he's even more dense and excessive in descriptions than Tolkien, and I don't like his "heroes" but others really like his work.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 01:53 PM (0hOvj)

128 125 I'm nominating Thomas the Tank in the 9th round of the speaker vote.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 04, 2023 01:53 PM (qH6FZ)

=========

Gordon is really the train for our times, if you think about it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 01:53 PM (LvTSG)

129 114 I've never read Donaldson. Should I?

(The whole this great yarn begins with a good raping aspect of his series kinda curbstomped my enthusiasm.)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (ppBhU)

Um. Yes to his Duology I mention. The Thomas Covenant...wew. Well the SUPPORTING characters are super memorable, so is the setting but....I don't like the protagonists. Avoid is Sci-Fi Gap series at all costs. It killed his career.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:53 PM (pyVNc)

130 Jeff in NC, I can see no justification for you and your son to waste the time and money for him to delay what he's already well working toward.
Success to him!

Posted by: barbarausa at January 04, 2023 01:53 PM (uAuXI)

131 “These fucking people,” Rep. @DanCrenshawTX tells me after leaving the House floor. “Now they’re just being clowns.”


Lighten up, patches - Sgt. Hulka

Posted by: Archer at January 04, 2023 01:53 PM (gmo/4)

132 Pamela Anderson's Barb Wire is a remake of Casablanca.

Posted by: blaster at January 04, 2023 01:53 PM (pwExq)

133 And what of the Little Engine That Could?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (FVME7)

Had to trash it. The new version has make pronouns for all the unhelpful engines, and female for the ones that are strong and help. Nope. Not right for raising my sons OR my daughters.

Posted by: Catherine at January 04, 2023 01:54 PM (ZSsrh)

134 114 I've never read Donaldson. Should I?

(The whole this great yarn begins with a good raping aspect of his series kinda curbstomped my enthusiasm.)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (ppBhU)

I'd say... not worth it. I hate the series the more I get distance from it. Really bad psychotherapy writ large.

MAE is not wrong on the Mirror books, btu they do have a weird, creepy sexual vibe to them in places.

NEVER bother with the Gap series. I cannot stress this enough. I have rarely stopped and thrown a book across the room in disgust. The first one of that series and one of the Song of Ice and Fire books. I do not enjoy vivid rape porn.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:54 PM (zZu0s)

135 Parents, it's your job to ensure your children have the skills necessary for life, not their school's. Any job you outsource, particularly to an agent of the state, do so at your own risk.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 04, 2023 01:54 PM (fKIdX)

136 the GOP will go right back to opening their ass cheeks for the Dums.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:38 PM


You say that like it's a Bad Thing.

Posted by: Miss Lindsay at January 04, 2023 01:54 PM (a3Q+t)

137 School teachers have been favoring little girls (not that way pervs!) as long as I've been aware of teachers.
It didn't stop in high school, college or universities (with older girls).

As long as it continues boys will get short shrift in education.
Is it any wonder why sane young men avoid colleges and universities and have concentrated on video games and skilled trades?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 01:55 PM (2dci9)

138 Adam Kinzinger is out and Dan Crenshaw is in.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 04, 2023 01:55 PM (qH6FZ)

139 So what’s the point?
Posted by: Elric Blade

----------
To kill the Uniparty, it must first be revealed. If McCarthy becomes speaker via deals with the Democrats, every single GOP congress critter supporting this move via their vote gets smeared with it for the next election as a uniparty hack and fake opposition.

I was willing to give voting harder one last shot in 2022 for GOP redemption. Now, I am pretty much on the GOP must die for America to live. Basically, all the Freedom Caucus wanted for McCarthy to become speaker is to allow amendments from the floor that reduced the deficits, votes on securing the border, and so on.

McCarthy showed his defiance by refusal because that would upset his corporate Uniparty sponsors. So, given the GOP's continuing support for Ronna, McConnell, and McCarthy, fixing the national party from within is a pointless task because the numbers aren't there to do it.

Even if by some miracle DeSantis runs in 2024 and wins, he will have to bow to the national Uniparty and its evil corporate/wealthy donors with its insane agenda to invade the world, invite the world, and screw the citizens of the US.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 01:55 PM (bDjBG)

140 I love the schadenfreude, but what's the endgame? Humiliation and embarrassment will only further encourage the Dums to treat the GOP with (deserved) contempt.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (iFTx/)

i think that IS the endgame. Show the GOPe for what they are. let the votes see just how bad they are and then MAYBE we get lucky and something nice happens in the next election.

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 04, 2023 01:55 PM (Mkvkw)

141 I guess he never took the class " How to win friends and influence people"?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 01:47 PM (Irn0L)

He has an eye for leadership.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (zZu0s)


Ouch, that'll leave a mark

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 01:55 PM (Irn0L)

142 And what of the Little Engine That Could?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (FVME7)
++++
We tried to convince him that he was actually the Little Engine That Just Plain Couldn't, but he wouldn't listen. Eventually, we had to tear up the tracks and send him over the edge of a cliff. Sure, we were also on the train he was pulling, but something had to be done and since he wouldn't break to our will, we made the sacrifice.

Posted by: Woke FOlk at January 04, 2023 01:56 PM (t0OGg)

143 46 My son is 16, and the debate whether college is worth it is hot and heavy. Currently, 'not worth it' is winning. He has built himself a motorized bicycle, is currently restoring a '94 Toyota MR2 complete with a power train swap to a turbo/manual, and we can't see where going to college would help him in his goal of owning/operating a car performance shop. If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.
Posted by: Jeff in NC at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM (n2Y2C)
____________________

A vocational degree in auto mechanics might be worth it, but I don't think college is the right call. If he wants to open a performance shop, and has the skills to do so -- or will acquire those skills on his own or outside of college -- then that's the path for him. I will offer one piece of advice: while the "performance" shops are more sexy, it's the basic mechanic work on normal, everyday cars that pays the bills.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:56 PM (iFTx/)

144 135 Parents, it's your job to ensure your children have the skills necessary for life, not their school's. Any job you outsource, particularly to an agent of the state, do so at your own risk.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at January 04, 2023 01:54 PM (fKIdX)

Wish my father would have heeded that.

He refused to teach me a damn thing, because he thought I'd have to work harder that way. And when he saw that wasn't working "The Army will teach you how to live".

Except I sure as shit wasn't enlisting.

Posted by: XTC at January 04, 2023 01:56 PM (UnA8+)

145 Calling McCarthy a piece of shit is an insult to shit. At least shit can serve a purpose.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 04, 2023 01:56 PM (IIm4f)

146 There are only seven stories, repeated endlessly.
----------------
This is true. The Hogs Dick story is the best.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 04, 2023 01:56 PM (D8mow)

147
Tarantino's full of it. The 50s and the 80s weren't the worst decades for movies.

The fifties had plenty of good stuff. So did the thirties. In that early period, if I had to single out a decade, it would be the forties. Before that, people were just figuring out what could be done on film. After that, they had it nailed down. But the forties (and the thirties, to a lesser extent), were jam-packed with government propaganda, which is never, ever cool or fun.

The eighties? I don't even need to defend it. There were a shitload of TOTALLY AWESOME movies in the eighties, along with the dreck every decade had.

The 90s weren't great. But the worst? Please. The '00s were definitely worse, and the '10s were abominable. And a lot of that includes Tarantino flicks. Dude needs to look in a mirror. I like some of his stuff, but a lot of it is crap.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 04, 2023 01:56 PM (oINRc)

148 If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.
Posted by: Jeff in NC at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM (n2Y2C)

I would recommend some accounting classes at a community college just so he can review the books.

Posted by: Iris at January 04, 2023 01:56 PM (foa6+)

149 Ever read any of the Steven Erikson Malazan books? Heroic Fantasy Tragedy is like his thing.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (zZu0s)

I owned them all and actively hate them. (gave the books away eventually) Nihilism and modernism infests the whole thing. There are good books and good characters in the series but Kursa Urlong can suck my dick.

Ian Cameron Esslemont's Malazan books are better, and shorter. Though he has other strengths and weaknesses from "Erickson".

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:57 PM (pyVNc)

150 Crenshaw is exactly who we thought he was. None of this is embarrassing or scary or whatever. Why are so many people supposedly on our side mad that some people may actually be standing up for their voters?

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 04, 2023 01:57 PM (oWBc3)

151 If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.

--

Business classes could be helpful, but he doesn't need a degree.

----

That's a pretty good idea.

Maybe see if someone around needs some help, too. There are tons of no-name hot rodders and classic car restorers everywhere with fairly big operations going locally. Try to make friends with someone in the local car shows (assuming you aren't) and start getting the word out. Someone will want him.

Posted by: The shots were safe and effective. Some people got safe, some people got effective. at January 04, 2023 01:57 PM (K8Cic)

152 >>> 5 So called "Higher Education" is infested with left wing commie ideology and ignorance.

They should never have been allowed to kick conservative professors and conservative thought off of campus. But I don't know how you change it, since libs are all in charge now and refuse to wrest back the power.

Posted by: LizLem at January 04, 2023 01:57 PM (+mkOR)

153 150 Crenshaw is exactly who we thought he was. None of this is embarrassing or scary or whatever. Why are so many people supposedly on our side mad that some people may actually be standing up for their voters?
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 04, 2023 01:57 PM (oWBc3)

=========

Because Congress is a club, and you aren't in it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 01:57 PM (LvTSG)

154 What Whig said at 139.

That is my thinking and belief as well.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (u4CEu)

155 “These fucking people,” Rep. @DanCrenshawTX tells me after leaving the House floor. “Now they’re just being clowns.”

--

Absolutely no reflection from this fool on what brought about the situation they find themselves in as a failed, worthless party.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (sVtYq)

156 I love the schadenfreude, but what's the endgame? Humiliation and embarrassment will only further encourage the Dums to treat the GOP with (deserved) contempt.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 01:49 PM (iFTx/)

i think that IS the endgame. Show the GOPe for what they are. let the votes see just how bad they are and then MAYBE we get lucky and something nice happens in the next election.
==
Game over man, game over.

Posted by: Sgt. Hicks at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (3CxZx)

157 46...If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.
Posted by: Jeff in NC at January 04, 2023 01:42 PM (n2Y2C)

No, I don't. But it occurs to me he may find value in a few accounting courses at the local CC, if only to be able to keep tabs on his accountant.

Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (Rbu5d)

158 Speaker Jeffries!

Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (xqNUL)

159 I owned them all and actively hate them. (gave the books away eventually) Nihilism and modernism infests the whole thing. There are good books and good characters in the series but Kursa Urlong can suck my dick.

Ian Cameron Esslemont's Malazan books are better, and shorter. Though he has other strengths and weaknesses from "Erickson".
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 01:57 PM (pyVNc)

Hmmm, I agree on the Nihilism. I really liked the third one 'Memories of Ice' but the rest always seemed... odd to me. Tragedy can work if used sparingly, but he is just an OD of the stuff.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (zZu0s)

160 Fifth roll call has begun.

Posted by: Braenyard's phone at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (ZwWhn)

161 When I was fairly young I used to take things apart to see how they worked. But I rarely put them back together. My mom treated screwdrivers and wrenches like they were loaded handguns and kept them locked away.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (0fVbu)

162 155 Absolutely no reflection from this fool on what brought about the situation they find themselves in as a failed, worthless party.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (sVtYq)

==========

"We were going to get a 0.72% reduction in the upper tax bracket except for these stupid clowns!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 01:59 PM (LvTSG)

163 The whole this great yarn begins with a good raping aspect of his series kinda curbstomped my enthusiasm.)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (ppBhU)

I agree.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 01:59 PM (D+F6R)

164 My two and half year old nephew just discovered Thomas the Tank on TV. The look on his face when he realized “Thomas is real” was enough to make me believe in man’s goodness. At least for a moment.

Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at January 04, 2023 01:59 PM (3wNhr)

165 "Y'arr, these people be harshin' me WEF buzz! Cap'n Schwab is gonna have his parrot peck me other eye out and make me swab the decks again!"

--Cvckbeard Crenshaw, the filthy Seaman.
Posted by: XTC

----------
You owe me a frigging keyboard as I spewed hot coffee from that comment.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 01:59 PM (bDjBG)

166 These fucking people,” Rep. @DanCrenshawTX tells me after leaving the House floor. “Now they’re just being clowns.”
==
He really means us. We, and people like us, are a problem for people like him.

Posted by: This is a good thing at January 04, 2023 01:59 PM (3CxZx)

167 As the father of two sons, the youngest of which finished college in May, I could write 50 paragraphs of thoughts on this topic. We were fortunate to send our kids to a small parochial elementary/middle school, where our sons' "maleness" was not squelched or medicated away, but channeled productively with love. Consequently both are now paying more in taxes annually than most of the feminist harridans trying to destroy men make in a year o screeching TikTok videos.

Posted by: RS at January 04, 2023 01:59 PM (1XDfN)

168 A 2 yr degree from a local community and technical colleges if they have the curriculum toward his needs might be worth a look and far cheaper than a 4 yr college.
Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (bDjBG)


This.
Not only for insights into local business processes and tax knowledge, but to keep up with current trends and technology.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2023 01:59 PM (anj39)

169 Also, Shannara might have been a redress of Tolkien in a character sense, but it wasn't in structure. Tolkien was unique in a lot of ways because it was not about finding an all powerful sword, ring whatever, but rather it was an anti-quest- to destroy the all powerful artifact.

Donaldson was also different in that it was never about finding or destroying anything, it was about being weird, creepy and figuring out how to use said McGuffin.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023


***
One of my fantasy stories dealt with tracking down a substance that inhibited the operation of magic so that a dangerous nobleman couldn't get his hands on it to control society. My heroes find that the stuff is unstable and doesn't work reliably. But their adversary won't believe them!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 01:59 PM (J2vNu)

170 LadyS, you're welcome.
I hope it has a happy ending, as school basically ruined his mind during the whole immersion in enviro crap.
I think that was the groundwork for much mental illness by planting the seed of self-hatred in humanity as a feature.
It wasn't successful in getting people to hate each other very well, because in that religion ALL people are bad, but it was a necessary step to today's warring victims in normalizing self hatred, depression and mental illness, and Karenning for a cause.
He has struggled with depression and anxiety since his teen years, and lockdown nearly finished him.
He has so many skills and talents, yet still thinks he is lesser for a variety of reasons.
So many things for me to rage in what has really happened in the world I thought I was raising kids in

Posted by: barbarausa at January 04, 2023 01:59 PM (uAuXI)

171 Why are so many people supposedly on our side mad that some people may actually be standing up for their voters?

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem

To ask the question is to answer it.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (u4CEu)

172 You guys playing cards?

Posted by: Mike Mulligan's Steam Shovel at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (4I/2K)

173 You all are much more optimistic than I am that the Speaker bukkake circle-jerk will have any positive effects on anything. I think we are fucked deader than a dead dinosaur from the Jurassic era.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (iFTx/)

174 Maybe see if someone around needs some help, too. There are tons of no-name hot rodders and classic car restorers everywhere with fairly big operations going locally. Try to make friends with someone in the local car shows (assuming you aren't) and start getting the word out. Someone will want him.
------

Addendum:

Let him see how a shop runs and is set up, etc. It will be a lot easier and cheaper than learning on his own.

Posted by: The shots were safe and effective. Some people got safe, some people got effective. at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (K8Cic)

175 This is getting better and better. McCarthy lost the 4th vote just now, and with the fewest votes so far...

His whipping for himself is failing, and it's just delicious!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (XIJ/X)

176 Absolutely no reflection from this fool on what brought about the situation they find themselves in as a failed, worthless party.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (sVtYq)
++++
Nope. That might me admitting that some of them were wrong once, or that they suck and everyone hates them.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (t0OGg)

177 Heh...this ties in neatly with the Bonus Book Thread later this afternoon...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM (YIVH2)

Which I'll miss. Again.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (Angsy)

178 *grabs red pool noodle*
*duel of the fates plays in the background*

that's it, lightsabers at 10 paces...
Posted by: SturmToddler at January 04, 2023 01:51 PM


A friend of mine bought his little daughters toy lightsabers one year. They were visiting my family and the oldest grabbed a pool noodle my dad had around for the kids to play with, and started acting like it was a light saber. In the house. My friend said "maybe getting them those lightsabers wasn't such a good idea..."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (TTbU0)

179 173 You all are much more optimistic than I am that the Speaker bukkake circle-jerk will have any positive effects on anything. I think we are fucked deader than a dead dinosaur from the Jurassic era.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (iFTx/)

=========

Well, then just learn to enjoy the show.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (LvTSG)

180 The whole this great yarn begins with a good raping aspect of his series kinda curbstomped my enthusiasm

Its not indefensible in context, but it wasn't very welcome. The Thomas Covenant saga is really dark and unpleasant in many ways, though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (0hOvj)

181 175 This is getting better and better. McCarthy lost the 4th vote just now, and with the fewest votes so far...

His whipping for himself is failing, and it's just delicious!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (XIJ/X)

========

Maybe it was the working with Democrats thing, huh?

Maybe McCarthy is just really, really bad at building coalitions in the House of Representatives?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 02:01 PM (LvTSG)

182 Reading Codevilla's Ruling Class this week really put this shit into focus. They won't give up power until we make them. It was weird to read his book with the perception that federal elections no longer matter, however.

Posted by: Catherine at January 04, 2023 02:02 PM (ZSsrh)

183 My two and half year old nephew just discovered Thomas the Tank on TV. The look on his face when he realized “Thomas is real” was enough to make me believe in man’s goodness. At least for a moment.

Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile

--

Timmy Time and Shaun the Sheep (Wallace and Grommet later) are two others to add to the list. They're charming and safe.

Posted by: The shots were safe and effective. Some people got safe, some people got effective. at January 04, 2023 02:02 PM (K8Cic)

184 My oldest brother had a genius for taking things apart before age five. In some ways, unintentionally destructive. Oops. By 14 he was working on cars and motorized bikes. All self-taught. I wish he had a closer relationship with our dad - who had six kids to look after. He was highly respected by his fellow gearheads and he had no college. Gone too soon
RIP Dan.

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 04, 2023 02:02 PM (54BQM)

185 163 The whole this great yarn begins with a good raping aspect of his series kinda curbstomped my enthusiasm.)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 01:52 PM (ppBhU)

I agree.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 01:59 PM (D+F6R)

I'd recommend Robert Jordan and Sanderson. Sanderson's epic series Stormlight Archive is REALLY good if you want uplifting, redemptive fantasy. Wax and Wayne is a good take on a Western-like pulpy, dimestore novel genre.

Jordan was just fantastic until he listened to TOR and started bloating the series too much.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:02 PM (zZu0s)

186 When I was fairly young I used to take things apart to see how they worked. But I rarely put them back together. My mom treated screwdrivers and wrenches like they were loaded handguns and kept them locked away.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023


***
Heh. When I was 13, my mother put a padlock on the kitchen cabinet with the junk food so my brother and I wouldn't pig out all summer. Well, I found a way to unscrew the padlock hasp and reinstall it after we had out snacks. Mom couldn't figure out how the food was disappearing. At last she threw up her hands. "Go ahead, get fat. You'll lose the weight when you go back to school anyway!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:02 PM (J2vNu)

187
Thomas the Tank Engine was cool.

Most of the modern stuff is not. I haven't had too many serious objections to Cocomelon. That's one of the few things still allowed on my family room TV.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 04, 2023 02:02 PM (oINRc)

188 150 Crenshaw is exactly who we thought he was. None of this is embarrassing or scary or whatever. Why are so many people supposedly on our side mad that some people may actually be standing up for their voters?
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem
----------
They are scared because of what they have done and any cracks in the elite ranks threaten them. That is why defectors to a uniparty regime are so reviled--they reveal the majority for what they truly are--monsters and dissension threatens getting the mass of peasants involved where most of these elected monsters will not fare well if it burns.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 02:03 PM (bDjBG)

189 i think that IS the endgame. Show the GOPe for what they are. let the votes see just how bad they are and then MAYBE we get lucky and something nice happens in the next election.
Posted by: SturmToddler at January 04, 2023 01:55 PM (Mkvkw)

Or people stop expecting elections to fix things. Related, people stop expecting government to fix things.

Basically the democrat party, and to a slightly lesser extent the Gope has convinced people that government fixes problems. It cannot be said clearly enough: It does not. It causes them, and the sooner people see how much we can live without it, the better the world will be.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 04, 2023 02:03 PM (2TyR/)

190 >>> Timmy Time and Shaun the Sheep (Wallace and Grommet later) are two others to add to the list. They're charming and safe.
Posted by: The shots were safe and effective. Some people got safe, some people got effective. at January 04, 2023 02:02 PM (K8Cic)


Both are pretty good and watchable for adults too.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 02:03 PM (0fVbu)

191 Reading Codevilla's Ruling Class this week really put this shit into focus. They won't give up power until we make them. It was weird to read his book with the perception that federal elections no longer matter, however.

--

Wish we could hear an updated version on what George Carlin would be saying right now. He was always on point, long before most people, how our "choices" are illusions.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 02:03 PM (sVtYq)

192 "now works in a grade school admin office making less than half her brother's wage"

For a pause-giving moment, pull into a Bucc-ees and read the recruiting placard they have placed above some of their pumps...

6-figures for various instore-manager positions, excellent vacation policy and benefits.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at January 04, 2023 02:03 PM (MkuC5)

193 When I received my BSME from UCSB it was number 4 or 5 ranked in engineering but the education was shit. I had been drafting at a company since 17 and by the time I graduated had designed 7 machines. I would not have kept going except:
1. A degree bought entry when only experience wouldn't.
2. At the time tuition was about $800/yr.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 04, 2023 02:03 PM (u4CEu)

194 I'd recommend Robert Jordan and Sanderson. Sanderson's epic series Stormlight Archive is REALLY good if you want uplifting, redemptive fantasy. Wax and Wayne is a good take on a Western-like pulpy, dimestore novel genre.

Jordan was just fantastic until he listened to TOR and started bloating the series too much.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023


***
Fred Saberhagen's Empire of the East and his Books of Swords series, and Larry Niven's The Magic Goes Away, are my standards for good fantasy.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:04 PM (J2vNu)

195 Someone was commenting on a recent analysis of Wind In The Willows claiming Kenneth Grahame was gay. I can't think of a thing gay about WIWs. All the characters are male but the message is about staying true to your real friends. There is literally no situation presented that has any sexual nuance. Its a story about character. We live in Fucking Stupid Times.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 04, 2023 02:04 PM (D8mow)

196 Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:02 PM (zZu0s)

Thanks for the recommendations. I will check into them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 02:04 PM (D+F6R)

197 You all are much more optimistic than I am that the Speaker bukkake circle-jerk will have any positive effects on anything. I think we are fucked deader than a dead dinosaur from the Jurassic era.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (iFTx/)
++++
Oh, I agree. Don't get me wrong, I think it's game over. It's too far gone. The time for reform has passed and it will end in something revolutionary, one way or another, by the incumbent power structure or by outsiders.

But I'm enjoying the show. It's a laugh riot. Watching these guys keep stomping on each other's dicks over and over again and screaming at the sky about how unfair it all is while normal people point and laugh at them and call them nasty names for the being the worthless, dull-normal, insipid crooks and fools that they all are is great fun.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:04 PM (t0OGg)

198 David Harsanyi
@davidharsanyi
Can you imagine any Dem -- much less AOC - discussing unity candidates if they had the majority?

Quote Tweet
Washington Examiner
@dcexaminer · 22m
@AOC open to 'unity candidate' as @GOPLeader Kevin McCarthy struggles to lock down speaker votes
https://washex.am/3i9uUs3
10:40 AM · Jan 4, 2023

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 02:04 PM (MFZ8i)

199 Both are pretty good and watchable for adults too.
-------

Very much so. Even setting aside the story, just watching the art is incredible.

Posted by: The shots were safe and effective. Some people got safe, some people got effective. at January 04, 2023 02:04 PM (K8Cic)

200 His whipping for himself is failing, and it's just delicious!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

---------
McCarthy is doing it wrong, you use the whip on others, not yourself. Frank should have mentioned that in their pillow talk.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 02:04 PM (bDjBG)

201 One hour of troubadours making trouba:
youtube.com/watch?v=hr1ya7teVvc

Posted by: Preparing gp For Lazy Loading at January 04, 2023 02:05 PM (24fqN)

202 Game over man, game over.
Posted by: Sgt. Hicks at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (3CxZx)

Your movie was horrible. All movies in the 80's were horrible. Only I saved film with crude language, gore, immoral characters, and stealing from better films.

Posted by: Tarantino at January 04, 2023 02:05 PM (dN42F)

203 I've studied the first women who tried to get to higher education at male only spaces. There was a lot of toxic ideas in that day about women's feeble brains not being able to handle academic rigor, and women were harassed and bullied. (This is also when scientific theories of "wandering wombs" were also popular.)

We have progressed so far since then, to the point that women dominate higher ed in enrollment, plus are the head of universities or university departments. To ignore that success and act like women are still being held back like in the early days is almost evil. Or like someone has an agenda.

Posted by: LizLem at January 04, 2023 02:05 PM (+mkOR)

204 Fred Saberhagen's Empire of the East and his Books of Swords series, and Larry Niven's The Magic Goes Away, are my standards for good fantasy.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:04 PM (J2vNu)

Once a Hero by Michael A Stackpole was also quite good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:05 PM (zZu0s)

205 Pamela Anderson's Barb Wire is a remake of Casablanca.
Posted by: blaster at January 04, 2023 01:53 PM (pwExq)
---
With more cleavage...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 04, 2023 02:05 PM (zR7zg)

206 170. I hear you, believe me, and you’re not alone. But don’t give up. Love him and strengthen him as well as you can, and pray for him always. You sound like a great parent.

Posted by: LadyS at January 04, 2023 02:05 PM (VGiJY)

207 Hmmm, I agree on the Nihilism. I really liked the third one 'Memories of Ice' but the rest always seemed... odd to me. Tragedy can work if used sparingly, but he is just an OD of the stuff.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (zZu0s)

'Deadhouse Gates' with the Chain of Dogs is his 'best' novel, telling a self contained story with some very strong tragedy. But he never rises above deconstruction + war stories. And his cosmology is a mess, logically.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 02:05 PM (pyVNc)

208 The Nine Princes in Amber series by Zelazny is great alternate fantasy. I also recommend Conan and the Fafhrd & Gray Mouser series (except the last book which got really twisted). Almost all the fantasy I still like was written before 1980.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:05 PM (0hOvj)

209 69...Are they really this stupid
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 01:46 PM (Irn0L)

Nah, just corrupt and/or evil.

Posted by: Flyover at January 04, 2023 02:05 PM (Rbu5d)

210 They don't have a plan do they.

Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (xqNUL)

211 We have progressed so far since then, to the point that women dominate higher ed in enrollment, plus are the head of universities or university departments. To ignore that success...

--

I wonder if that's all related?

Posted by: The shots were safe and effective. Some people got safe, some people got effective. at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (K8Cic)

212 Fred Saberhagen's Empire of the East and his Books of Swords series, and Larry Niven's The Magic Goes Away, are my standards for good fantasy.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:04 PM (J2vNu)
---
Can't really argue with this list...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (zR7zg)

213 Senate Republicans Criticize House GOP for Failure to Elect Speaker


LOL Get fucked GOP.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (213Ua)

214 The first 3 or 4 Black Company novels by Glen Cook are damn good and very unexpected if you're used to normal fantasy characters and tropes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (pyVNc)

215 spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.
Posted by: Jeff in NC

Accounting and, if needed, business planning classes... all the rest? NO.

Accounting because I know if many small businesses (roofing and pharmacy) who were ripped off by their book keepers.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (2dci9)

216 Jordan Peterson was brought to tears defending marginalized young men against the pompous Piers Morgan.

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (54BQM)

217 Its a story about character. We live in Fucking Stupid Times.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 04, 2023 02:04 PM (D8mow)

Yes, we do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (D+F6R)

218 195 Someone was commenting on a recent analysis of Wind In The Willows claiming Kenneth Grahame was gay. I can't think of a thing gay about WIWs. All the characters are male but the message is about staying true to your real friends. There is literally no situation presented that has any sexual nuance. Its a story about character. We live in Fucking Stupid Times.
Posted by: Puddinhead
--------
It is done to desecrate the memory of something good and to celebrate a victory over the normies.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (bDjBG)

219 They don't have a plan do they.
Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (xqNUL)
++++
McCarthy had a plan. He already moved his shit into the speaker's office.

He will probably end up occupying that office, but it sure is funny at the moment.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (t0OGg)

220 I'm surprised there is not some rule that says if you fail so many times, you can't be nominated again.

Posted by: Crom Laughs at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (dN42F)

221 A friend of mine bought his little daughters toy lightsabers one year. They were visiting my family and the oldest grabbed a pool noodle my dad had around for the kids to play with, and started acting like it was a light saber. In the house. My friend said "maybe getting them those lightsabers wasn't such a good idea..."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (TTbU0)



yeah, in the house can be iffy, especially if mom catches us...

but if you get REALLY lucky, i had a few kids that would stand on the sides of the room with stuffed animals and when we made the force motion they'd toss the toys like vader flinging death star parts at luke...

Posted by: SturmToddler at January 04, 2023 02:07 PM (Mkvkw)

222 Game over man, game over.
Posted by: Sgt. Hicks at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (3CxZx)

Hudson, sir! HE'S Hick's! *gestures at Michael Biehn*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:07 PM (zZu0s)

223 The Book of Swords series I liked quite a bit, but it took me some time to get over the format. Just as I was getting to really like a character and the setting, he went to another sword and it was a new character and a new setting. Now, he was writing about the swords, not the people so it made sense, but still it was frustrating to get to like someone and then drop them (or kill them off).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:07 PM (0hOvj)

224 46. A local cc or technical school with auto mechanics etc.and provides business classes would be a good ROI in my opinion. I know a lot of people who own small businesses who struggle with the business end of it. Local cc often have local business people teaching who have been there done that and are great mentors and can help him understand the business side of owning a business.

Posted by: Jen the original at January 04, 2023 02:07 PM (tXHNI)

225 McCarthy had a plan. He already moved his shit into the speaker's office.

He will probably end up occupying that office, but it sure is funny at the moment.

--

I also read a tweet today from the WEF communists congratulating McCarthy on his Speakership. Do they have a crystal ball? To ask is to answer.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 02:08 PM (sVtYq)

226 Hillary was once presented as a unity candidate.... good times , good times tiimes..,,

Posted by: runner at January 04, 2023 02:08 PM (xqNUL)

227 McCartney was the choice of Trump

Butt my ass still hurts.

Posted by: Paul at January 04, 2023 02:08 PM (Hr9d0)

228 Hudson, sir! HE'S Hick's! *gestures at Michael Biehn*

--

I'll gesture to Michael Biehn.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 02:08 PM (sVtYq)

229
If *any* portion of your base is watching your protracted humiliation with naked mirth, a lot more of it is watching and laughing on the inside.

I sincerely hope this portends horrible future things for the Republican Party.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (oINRc)

230 Posted by: Paul at January 04, 2023 02:08 PM (Hr9d0)

========

I guess we're not a cult of personality, huh?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (LvTSG)

231 I also read a tweet today from the WEF communists congratulating McCarthy on his Speakership

They aren't really commies. They're transhuman feudalists. I mean they endorse a lot of commie ideas, but they don't see a future without government, social ranks, rich people, or perfect equality.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (0hOvj)

232 TJM: "Or they can just keep hitting each other with cardboard boxes until they die of old age, I guess."

Of course this is right. STEM is racist.

Posted by: Academia at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (aXxgO)

233 WTF is a 'unity candidate'?

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (mnUzy)

234 "A 2 yr degree from a local community and technical colleges if they have the curriculum toward his needs might be worth a look and far cheaper than a 4 yr college."

My (formerly homeschooled) son has the AAS from the local community college, a 4 year BA from the state university, and STILL wants (feels the best career path forward) is a tech program from a different community college. Fortunately, so far, his SATs and GPA have earned him scholarships and we've avoided loans.

I have video of the boy at age 4 reading from the "Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons" -- he had the book on a sofa cushion while he himself was beside, over the back of, bouncing up and down on, and somersaulting around that sofa. I swear the public schools would have shoved Ritalin down his throat...

Posted by: Pouncer at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (Z1F7v)

235 PME-NA equity statement, which includes 'welcoming and making spaces for members of our community that have previously been othered.



To put it in accurate terms, the PME-NA would like to exclude white males from society.

To put in in future terms, the PME-NA and their co-religionists would like to eliminate white males altogether.

An interesting study would be, that of all of the inventions and refinements to life on this planet, how many were NOT created by white Judeo-Christian males of European descent? Damn few.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (lTGtQ)

236 Post College advanced science programs and big tech and industry science is polluted by left wing politics and is why the chinese are running circles around us in some areas

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (Irn0L)

237 “There’s nothing––absolutely nothing––half so much worth doing as messing about in boats.”

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (D8mow)

238 Game over man, game over.
Posted by: Sgt. Hicks at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (3CxZx)

Hudson, sir! HE'S Hick's! *gestures at Michael Biehn*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:07 PM (zZu0s)

*facepalm*

Posted by: Sgt. Apone at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (4I/2K)

239 But I'm enjoying the show. It's a laugh riot. Watching these guys keep stomping on each other's dicks over and over again and screaming at the sky about how unfair it all is while normal people point and laugh at them and call them nasty names for the being the worthless, dull-normal, insipid crooks and fools that they all are is great fun.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
===
Based.

Posted by: This is a good thing at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (vn4ir)

240 McCartney was the choice of Trump
Posted by: Paul at January 04, 2023 02:08 PM (Hr9d0)
---
Get back!

Posted by: Axeman at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (OaZlZ)

241 I've tried some Terry Goodkind sword of truth novels but he seems to be the type that likes to make characters suffer.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 02:10 PM (0fVbu)

242 My mother brought home a huge stack of car magazines that the library was cleaning out. She worked at the Junior High Library. That stack of Hot Rod and Car Craft magazines from the mid '70's got me interested in cars, and to this day it is a main passion. I learned mechanics, electronics, machining and welding, problem solving and craftsmanship. Prior to that I had train sets, chemistry sets, weather station kits, electronics kits. My father made furniture in the basement workshop. He was an engineer.
I grew up watching the space program and everyone was encouraged to dream a bit. Later I got into auto racing and worked for a company making and selling race car parts. I got an engineering degree, worked in the automotive manufacturing field. I got a couple patents.
Now I work for a leading manufacturer of composite carbon fiber pressure tanks for CNG and industrial gas transport. Get your kid kits and toys that let them build something. Encourage them to keep trying because it won't always work as planned. The joy of creation and problem solving is a great way to help a kid grow.

Posted by: JJ at January 04, 2023 02:10 PM (pRQse)

243 MTG's Truth Social is being hammered with harsh statements re: her support of McFailure.

Learn to code.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 04, 2023 02:10 PM (213Ua)

244 I don't want the speakership again but will accept it for the sake of keeping our precious democracy.

Posted by: Paul Ryno at January 04, 2023 02:10 PM (u4CEu)

245 If we had a functioning media, the question to all the Republicans outside the chamber should be, "What's wrong with Byran Donaldson?"
The only answer is, they made deal with McCarthy and are beholding to the NRCC. They can't say that out loud.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 04, 2023 02:10 PM (qH6FZ)

246 Game over man, game over.
Posted by: Sgt. Hicks at January 04, 2023 01:58 PM (3CxZx)

Hudson, sir! HE'S Hick's! *gestures at Michael Biehn*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:07 PM (zZu0s)

*facepalm*
==
*sheepish grin*

Getting old sucks.

Posted by: I'm too old for this shi.... at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (vn4ir)

247
McCartney was the choice of Trump
----

And?

Your mother was the choice of a syphilitic closet-queen having a crisis of sexuality on a poorly-lit street corner in a run-down part of the city.

Why throw stones?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (oINRc)

248 Jordan Peterson has to go for social media usage retraining or face losing his professional accreditation:

tinyurl.com/yc86p5sy

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (D+F6R)

249 'Deadhouse Gates' with the Chain of Dogs is his 'best' novel, telling a self contained story with some very strong tragedy. But he never rises above deconstruction + war stories. And his cosmology is a mess, logically.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 02:05 PM (pyVNc)

Well, yeah. I guess I am in the same boat- elements I liked a LOT, a whole lot of crap. Deadhouse was the second one, right? I disliked that one because of the situations he forced the characters into, plus ... the girl who became the Whirlwind... her story seemed to serve no point BUT to be tragic. It was like he was trying to figure out how to make it as pointless and hopeless as possible.

Memories of Ice at least, while you had the one character who took all the Pain dying still holding it, at least he accomplished SOMETHING. There was a point to all the tragedy and pain.

After that I was never grabbed by any of the books.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (zZu0s)

250 You all are much more optimistic than I am that the Speaker bukkake circle-jerk will have any positive effects on anything. I think we are fucked deader than a dead dinosaur from the Jurassic era.
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 02:00 PM (iFTx/)


The decline and fall seems to be accelerating.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (anj39)

251 I've tried some Terry Goodkind sword of truth novels but he seems to be the type that likes to make characters suffer.

The first couple books and the prequel are pretty good but he gets totally lost after a short time. Another series I don't like that many others do is the Discworld stuff. He's making too much fun of fantasy for me to appreciate it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (0hOvj)

252 Posted by: LadyS at January 04, 2023 01:47 PM

*waves to LadyS*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 02:12 PM (TTbU0)

253 Shawn the Sheep is excellent.
The dog rocks it.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2023 02:12 PM (anj39)

254 *facepalm*
==
*sheepish grin*

Getting old sucks.
Posted by: I'm too old for this shi.... at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (vn4ir)

LOL. I figured he/you were going for the reference response.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:12 PM (zZu0s)

255 McCartney was the choice of Trump
Posted by: Paul at January 04, 2023 02:08 PM


I had no idea Trump was Beatles fan. The things you learn around here...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 02:13 PM (TTbU0)

256 Jordan Peterson has to go for social media usage retraining or face losing his professional accreditation: ...
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (D+F6R)
++++
I suspect he will refuse, then keep practicing, then force a lawsuit, then make a stand. It would be typical. He will probably lose his license over it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:13 PM (t0OGg)

257 206 LadyS, I wish.
I am at the age where I am looking back at all the things I've done and not done, and how they turned out.
Second guessing everything.
The one thing I refused to do during lockdown was despair, because I think that was the ultimate aim of the exercise, and I think despair is the deadliest sin.
But post lockdown, as more and more comes to light of the irreparable damage done to so many and so much, it is hard not to slide toward it.
So I hold on to my rage.
and yes, I pray.
Thank you

Posted by: barbarausa at January 04, 2023 02:13 PM (uAuXI)

258 CNBC claims George Soros spent more than $370 million on politics last year.

He gave $140 million to dark money political funds, $170 million directly to campaigns and the DNC entities, and $60 million to "issues" 501 C-3's (can endorse political positions and policies but not specific candidates).

That's just what has been reported so far. It is also just covering national politics. Local politics and Antifa donations are separate.

Wow. The guy really hates America.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 04, 2023 02:13 PM (am+Ii)

259 McCartney was the choice of Trump

How does he feel about Starr, Lennon and Harrison? -

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 02:13 PM (D+F6R)

260 Christopher R Taylor: "They aren't really commies. They're transhuman feudalists. I mean they endorse a lot of commie ideas, but they don't see a future without government, social ranks, rich people, or perfect equality."

Yep. WEF is Elysium with an army of Jessica Delacourts.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 04, 2023 02:13 PM (aXxgO)

261 I guess we're not a cult of personality, huh?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 02:09 PM (LvTSG)
---
You're asking Mussolini Paul to adjust his stereotype.

There's nothing in that for him.

Posted by: Axeman at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (OaZlZ)

262 McCarthy had a plan. He already moved his shit into the speaker's office.

He will probably end up occupying that office, but it sure is funny at the moment.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:06 PM (t0OGg)

I would be playing that up as the opposition. Plus, there has to be one semi-sane Dem in the House. Find that person and offer them as the Unity candidate. They'll have no support from the Dems.

Posted by: Crom Laughs at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (dN42F)

263 The Hudson/Hicks thing had to be one of those inspiration add-ins while writing and seeing the casting. No they don't look the same but they are enough alike and both have an H name that its not an unreasonable mistake to make, especially all armored up. Cameron is great at that kind of thing even if he's lost his way completely with the Avatar thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (0hOvj)

264 They've gone from the reasonable

"sex and lineage are not determinate factors to interest and abilities"

Which is well supported. To

"Sex and lineage are do not contribute or influence interest and abilities"

to which mounds of scientific data say otherwise.

Posted by: mikethemoose at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (T/vhV)

265 McCArthy just lost his 5th vote. Frank is in depression.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (213Ua)

266 The Book of Swords series I liked quite a bit, but it took me some time to get over the format. Just as I was getting to really like a character and the setting, he went to another sword and it was a new character and a new setting. Now, he was writing about the swords, not the people so it made sense, but still it was frustrating to get to like someone and then drop them (or kill them off).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023


***
You're right; the series was about the swords (and their effect on the people who encounter them), not about the people per se.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (J2vNu)

267 "Jordan Peterson has to go for social media usage retraining or face losing his professional accreditation..."

In CA all doctors must now preach the gospel of the C19 vaccination or risk losing their license.
It's the law. Every knee must bend.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (jTmQV)

268 @210

>>They don't have a plan do they.

Nope, they are going to keep running out of the brick wall.

The clue that McCarthy is a GOP swamp creature is that the swamp will not entertain any alternatives and and will do a deal with the Donks to get their guy in.

This is why it is essential that McCarthy never becomes speaker.

Failure and duplicity must never be rewarded.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (Z18Mx)

269 255, 259

*fistbump, Fen*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (TTbU0)

270 The decline and fall seems to be accelerating.

--

What I've been sensing all over the interwebs is that people have absolutely had it with these knuckleheads. There are no chances left. They've squandered everything and here we sit, destroyed as a country. The fall has already happened, if people are honest with themselves enough to see it. What comes with regard to rising from the ashes remains to be seen. Who has the courage? Does anyone? Our fate is undetermined right now, but we all know this is over. This GOP thing and our support for it is over.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (sVtYq)

271 229
If *any* portion of your base is watching your protracted humiliation with naked mirth, a lot more of it is watching and laughing on the inside.

I sincerely hope this portends horrible future things for the Republican Party.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
----------
I think it might, the main source for GOPe ness is wealthy whale donors and corporate interests that hate everything that a common voter might want. Politics and parties are a means to an end and for that end to be good, it must improve the lot of the masses not the elites. Right now, the elites on both sides are pissing from a great height on the common people and telling them it is raining.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 02:15 PM (bDjBG)

272 248 Jordan Peterson has to go for social media usage retraining or face losing his professional accreditation:

tinyurl.com/yc86p5sy
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (D+F6R)

Wow, they are not even hiding their attempts at control anymore.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 04, 2023 02:15 PM (oHd/0)

273 [iDIEsel is the worst.
Don't be DIEsel.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

*sad face*

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist to the Stars at January 04, 2023 02:15 PM (Vu7A1)

274 259 McCartney was the choice of Trump

How does he feel about Starr, Lennon and Harrison? -
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 02:13 PM (D+F6R)

*golfclap*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:15 PM (zZu0s)

275 Yep, play is how ALL kids learn regardless of what their play ends up being.

As a youth I loved winding electromagnets and building electronic projects. I had a 75 in 1 kit and made circuits all day most days. It turned into a love of engineering and here I am building detectors and equipment for the world's most cutting edge telescopes. Let them take things apart and rebuild. I highly recommend it.

Posted by: InZona at January 04, 2023 02:15 PM (bfyic)

276 Chris Plante calls McCarthy "The Speaker who can't speak".

I like that one.

Posted by: Axeman at January 04, 2023 02:15 PM (OaZlZ)

277 Wow. The guy really hates America.
Posted by: Huck Follywood
--
he makes his billions by shorting national currencies. He crashes America, he's gonna make a butt load of money.

Posted by: he's a freakshow - he's chasing the money at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (iVRsi)

278 What comes with regard to rising from the ashes remains to be seen.
-----------------
You forgot the rivers of blood. This comes before the burning and ashes.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (D8mow)

279 Even more than Elric and Stormbringer, the Book of Swords shows how incredibly destructive gaining sudden power can be and how awful artifacts of that power level would be to mere mortals.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (0hOvj)

280 So McCarthy is more willing to compromise with the Dems than with the conservative element of his own party? This tells me all I need to know about the GOPe.

Posted by: Butch at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (0APJ3)

281 I am amused that McCarthy made a mistake - he threw too many seats, like Alaska and others - but yet still won the majority. So, now he has almost no votes to lose.

If he'd have tried and won some of the America First seats, the newbies would have defended him and he'd have coasted in to the spot.

Karma - sometimes, you make your own bed...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (exHjb)

282 You're right; the series was about the swords (and their effect on the people who encounter them), not about the people per se.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (J2vNu)
---
The gods dump a bunch of cosmic McGuffins into the world...then find out to their regret that they are vulnerable to their own creation!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (YIVH2)

283 So I have been actually concentrating on working today, but took a break to check out what is going on with the House Speaker stuff.

I go to Twitter and the top "trend" is #KevinMcCarthy "trending with Lauren Boebert" and the "trend" directly below that is "Lesbians".

Did McCarthy decide to identify as a lesbian and announce a relationship with Boebert to try to win the Speaker vote?

Gee, you skip *one* day to focus on work and the world gets even crazier...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (Do5/p)

284 I think it might, the main source for GOPe ness is wealthy whale donors and corporate interests that hate everything that a common voter might want. Politics and parties are a means to an end and for that end to be good, it must improve the lot of the masses not the elites. Right now, the elites on both sides are pissing from a great height on the common people and telling them it is raining.
Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 02:15 PM (bDjBG)
++++
"GOPenis" sounds about right.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (t0OGg)

285 265 McCArthy just lost his 5th vote. Frank is in depression.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

I doubt any other potential speaker wants to live with Frank as a 'room mate'. Frank faces a financial disaster as his corporate clients use him as the means to get McCarthy and the GOP in the House to do their bidding.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 02:17 PM (bDjBG)

286 "Everything I know about people, I learned from Thomas the Tank Engine, and I'm never wrong." Lemon on a Bullet Train

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 04, 2023 02:17 PM (Wy1BU)

287 280 So McCarthy is more willing to compromise with the Dems than with the conservative element of his own party? This tells me all I need to know about the GOPe.
Posted by: Butch at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (0APJ3)

THIS is a very good point.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:17 PM (zZu0s)

288
Heh. When I was 13, my mother put a padlock on the kitchen cabinet with the junk food so my brother and I wouldn't pig out all summer. Well, I found a way to unscrew the padlock hasp and reinstall it after we had out snacks


///////

My older brother waited until my parent went to a Christmas party and then we'd find the hidden presents.He'd put the best one together and play with it. Then take it apart and put it back. He was 8.

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 04, 2023 02:17 PM (NqmUn)

289 entry wages for a software engineer here in north 'bama are about $80k/year this year.
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 04, 2023 01:41 PM (3CCua

Probably more if she's able to get a clearance.

Posted by: Inigio Montoya at January 04, 2023 02:17 PM (fCn4f)

290 GOPenis" sounds about right.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

--------
Heh!

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 02:17 PM (bDjBG)

291 I'd recommend Robert Jordan and Sanderson.

I read several of Jordan's Conan books growing up and liked those a lot. I rebought them not long ago to reread as an adult to see what I make of them now. But I've not read his WoT series because . . . too many big books. I've never read Sanderson. I'm kind of an odd duck in that despite being a D&D geek, I don't really read a ton of fantasy (horror being my mainstay).

I did read and enjoy R. Scott Bakker's Prince of Nothing trilogy (but not the follow-on series), which I only mention mostly because MAE has suggested he might be provoked into a stemwinding rant about the series.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 02:18 PM (ppBhU)

292 mccarthy fails in 5th vote.
stimulating tv ha?
WTF is he thinking

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 02:18 PM (Irn0L)

293 260 Christopher R Taylor: "They aren't really commies. They're transhuman feudalists. I mean they endorse a lot of commie ideas, but they don't see a future without government, social ranks, rich people, or perfect equality."

Yep. WEF is Elysium with an army of Jessica Delacourts.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 04, 2023 02:13 PM (aXxgO)

And if they have to die, they sure as hell plan on taking the rest of us with them.

Posted by: XTC at January 04, 2023 02:18 PM (UnA8+)

294 Posted by: barbarausa at January 04, 2023 01:37 PM (uAuXI)
==============
That's a wonderful story
Posted by: Huck Follywood

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at January 04, 2023 02:18 PM (T4tVD)

295 Heh. When I was 13, my mother put a padlock on the kitchen cabinet with the junk food so my brother and I wouldn't pig out all summer. Well, I found a way to unscrew the padlock hasp and reinstall it after we had out snacks

Like someone said a few months ago, kids are like convicts trying to escape prison

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:18 PM (0hOvj)

296 He's making too much fun of fantasy for me to appreciate it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (0hOvj)

----------

Try one more if you haven't. The witches series is really great, and doesn't tie in too much with the other main characters that often. The concept is neat, too, because the idea is mainly three old ladies that do unpleasant stuff for the community that no one else wants to do (cutting bed-ridden elderly peoples' toenails comes to mind), and everyone thinks they're witches because of it. They encourage it because it gives them leverage.

Posted by: The shots were safe and effective. Some people got safe, some people got effective. at January 04, 2023 02:18 PM (K8Cic)

297 Karma - sometimes, you make your own bed...
Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (exHjb)

IBD does worse things to a bed.

Kevin has acute IBD.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at January 04, 2023 02:18 PM (MkuC5)

298 am amused that McCarthy made a mistake - he threw too many seats, like Alaska and others - but yet still won the majority. So, now he has almost no votes to lose.

If he'd have tried and won some of the America First seats, the newbies would have defended him and he'd have coasted in to the spot.

Karma - sometimes, you make your own bed...
Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (exHjb)
++++
He assumed there would be no willingness to take a stand on thin margins. He *wanted* those thin margins. At absolute worst, according to his (and the rest of their) calculus, they'd lose the majority.

The idea that *he* could be personally punished probably didn't occur to him. I didn't expect it, either.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (t0OGg)

299 Let them take things apart and rebuild. I highly recommend it.
Posted by: InZona


Sure, but just not wind-up clocks.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (IyrhE)

300 >>> Crenshaw is exactly who we thought he was. None of this is embarrassing or scary or whatever. Why are so many people supposedly on our side mad that some people may actually be standing up for their voters?
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 04, 2023 01:57 PM (oWBc3)

Crenshaw is a WEF baby. It is known. Knows the secret hand shake and everything.

Posted by: LizLem at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (+mkOR)

301 McCArthy just lost his 5th vote. Frank is in depression.

Posted by: Maj. Healey
==

Without having confirmed the votes, what is the point of having the last two votes?

McCarty by making some compromises would have the votes... but he won't. Why? He certainly has cemented enemies in his caucus with nothing gained. I can see it only as a pure power play that has failed multiple times.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (u4CEu)

302 Wow, they are not even hiding their attempts at control anymore.

Not at all. Destroying lives has become a sporting event for these evil m'effers.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (Xrfse)

303 I also find those who really love something are eager to share it with anyone and everyone who has an interest. Those with an agenda only want to share it with a select few.

Posted by: InZona at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (bfyic)

304 You're right; the series was about the swords (and their effect on the people who encounter them), not about the people per se.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:14 PM (J2vNu)
---
You just need to make sure you encounter the right end of the sword.

Posted by: Axeman at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (OaZlZ)

305 A local alt-weekly in Portland hasn't figured out what the problem is yet:

Despite its high COVID vaccination rate—more than 80% of residents are fully vaccinated, according to CDC data—Multnomah County saw a stark increase in excess deaths from 2020 to 2021.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (KCOCK)

306
Sir Tophamhat was a White Supremacist and Patriarchal Fascist.

Posted by: Auspex at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (lXPRc)

307 273 [iDIEsel is the worst.
Don't be DIEsel.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

*sad face*
Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist to the Stars at January 04, 2023 02:15 PM (Vu7A1)

Yeah... be XXX instead!

Posted by: Vin at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (oHd/0)

308 I'm kind of an odd duck in that despite being a D&D geek, I don't really read a ton of fantasy (horror being my mainstay).

Same. I like fantasy, but rarely what other people write as fantasy, and I do not have any patience with gigantic doorstop 15 book series.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (0hOvj)

309 I fully expect McCarthy to make a deal with the democrats to get enough votes. That would be perfectly in line with what the GOPe stands for. His goal is his own career, and to protect the deep state. He will assuredly promise that J6 prisoners stay in jail, and that no investigation of the corruption in the FBI and DOJ will occur.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 04, 2023 02:20 PM (lTGtQ)

310 Fred Saberhagen's Empire of the East and his Books of Swords series, and Larry Niven's The Magic Goes Away, are my standards for good fantasy.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023
---
Can't really argue with this list...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 04, 2023


***
And I'm enjoying Niven & Barnes's The Seascape Tattoo, which has elements of the Magic Goes Away. Fun stuff so far. I don't know if it's set in that MGA world or not, but it seems to be happening in an alternate or far-past North America around Texas and Mexico.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:20 PM (J2vNu)

311 So McCarthy is more willing to compromise with the Dems than with the conservative element of his own party? This tells me all I need to know about the GOPe.
Posted by: Butch at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (0APJ3)
++++
This is almost always the case. This is just a more public example than we usually get.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:20 PM (t0OGg)

312 301 McCarty by making some compromises would have the votes... but he won't. Why? He certainly has cemented enemies in his caucus with nothing gained. I can see it only as a pure power play that has failed multiple times.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (u4CEu)

========

Let's posit a theory:

Kevin McCarthy is not very smart.

Discuss.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 02:20 PM (LvTSG)

313 Wow, they are not even hiding their attempts at control anymore.
--
Well, its a board of psychologists, from Canada. I am having a hard time imaging a scenario that would be more fertile ground for intolerant fascism.

Posted by: without a bit of exaggeration at January 04, 2023 02:20 PM (JGDdz)

314 I am thoroughly certain that, as a boy, I gained more useful experience from playing with an 'O' gauge train and an Erector set than the equivalent time spent with an iDoodle.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 04, 2023 02:20 PM (aIFM5)

315 mccarthy fails in 5th vote.
stimulating tv ha?
WTF is he thinking

--

Are you not entertained!!??

Posted by: Maximus at January 04, 2023 02:20 PM (sVtYq)

316 Larry Niven is a brilliant idea guy but he needs another author working with him to really write anything good.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:21 PM (0hOvj)

317 At some point, a preference cascade is gonna start among GOPe cowards who want to stop the embarrassment. Like I said before, their best play is to get Scalise and McCarthy to switch places, and have Scalise run...but they don't seem to want to consider best plays.

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 02:21 PM (exHjb)

318 46 My son is 16, and the debate whether college is worth it is hot and heavy. Currently, 'not worth it' is winning. He has built himself a motorized bicycle, is currently restoring a '94 Toyota MR2 complete with a power train swap to a turbo/manual, and we can't see where going to college would help him in his goal of owning/operating a car performance shop. If someone here has a good justification for why I should spend $100k on a degree for him instead of plowing that money into a shop to get him started I'd like to hear it.
Posted by: Jeff in NC
===================
Before starting a business he needs to learn accounting and cash forecasting pretty thoroughly, and not just a course in bookkeeping either, on top of his chosen field. It is just as important as learning his technical skills.


Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 04, 2023 02:21 PM (YH1IF)

319 Let's posit a theory:
Kevin McCarthy is not very smart.
Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 02:20 PM (LvTSG)

I'm convinced, seems self evident. I guess Frank Luntz likes 'em dumb and desperate.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 02:21 PM (pyVNc)

320 Kevin McCarthy is not very smart.

Possibly, but I think its more that he's a fool and a religious zealot, and his religion is being threatened here.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (0hOvj)

321 297 Karma - sometimes, you make your own bed...
Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (exHjb)

IBD does worse things to a bed.

Kevin has acute IBD.
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at January 04, 2023 02:18 PM (MkuC5)

This would have really worked with a Frank Luntz sock.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (zZu0s)

322 Heh. When I was 13, my mother put a padlock on the kitchen cabinet with the junk food so my brother and I wouldn't pig out all summer. Well, I found a way to unscrew the padlock hasp and reinstall it after we had our snacks. . . .
*
Like someone said a few months ago, kids are like convicts trying to escape prison
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023


***
I know I thought of grammar and junior high school that way. The old B & W prison pictures with Bogart et al. on the Late Show really resonated with me.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (J2vNu)

323 https://tinyurl.com/4h2s388z

Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) on Wednesday said “preliminary talks” had begun with Democrats about supporting a “consensus candidate” for Speaker.

“There are preliminary talks, but we don’t want to go too fast on this because that then highjacks what Kevin is trying to do, and we want to support Kevin, he’s worked hard to get this,” Bacon said.

Bacon made clear that Republican leadership was willing to find an alternative route to ending the Speakership drama.

“But if at some point the small handful of folks who refuse to be part of the team after the conference overwhelmingly voted for Kevin, if they make it clear that they cannot be team players then we have to look somewhere else,” Bacon said. “In the end, we have to govern.”

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (MFZ8i)

324 McCarty by making some compromises would have the votes... but he won't. Why? He certainly has cemented enemies in his caucus with nothing gained. I can see it only as a pure power play that has failed multiple times.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 04, 2023 02:19 PM (u4CEu)
++++
Yup. He's stuck. He has three choices by my reckoning:
1. Concede and withdraw, back someone else
2. Capitulate and accept reduced power of the Speaker
3. Keep going in the hopes of making things so untenable that the other side blinks and capitulates and votes him in on his terms

I think he's in "attrition and exhaustion" mode, and will keep going until they cave or until he is forced out by the other Party bigs.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (t0OGg)

325 Kevin McCarthy is not very smart.


well if anything is evident in this escapade, it's that!

he's an absolute stubborn egomaniacal DUMBASS

Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (w0NJk)

326 Why do they keep holding votes if McCarthy -- or nobody else -- has the votes? I'm assuming McCarthy is trying to shore up the votes he needs, but if he doesn't have them, then why are they just voting over and over? It's like asking the same girl out over and over and getting the Heisman each time. Is this some kind of House parliamentary requirement?

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (iFTx/)

327 280 So McCarthy is more willing to compromise with the Dems than with the conservative element of his own party? This tells me all I need to know about the GOPe.
Posted by: Butch at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (0APJ3)
==

Can't speak ill of donks and can't compromise with conservatives. Still think McCarthy will be better than Nanzi in any substantive way? I don't.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (u4CEu)

328 Despite its high COVID vaccination rate—more than 80% of residents are fully vaccinated, according to CDC data—Multnomah County saw a stark increase in excess deaths from 2020 to 2021.

--

For some reason, I'm picturing that snickering little white cartoon dog.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 02:23 PM (sVtYq)

329 mccarthy fails in 5th vote.
stimulating tv ha?
WTF is he thinking
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 02:18 PM


Wait. Vote over and over again and let the media savage the conservative elements of your party in the hopes they surrender.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 02:23 PM (TTbU0)

330 316 Larry Niven is a brilliant idea guy but he needs another author working with him to really write anything good.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:21 PM (0hOvj)

Ringworld and Ringworld Engineers excepted. He did work better in collaboration.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 02:23 PM (pyVNc)

331 Posted by: Jeff in NC
---------

What part of NC?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 04, 2023 02:23 PM (aIFM5)

332 323 Bacon made clear that Republican leadership was willing to find an alternative route to ending the Speakership drama.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (MFZ8i)

==========

No alternative route can include not installing Kevin McCarthy, though, because he's literally the only person who could possibly lead America in this time of crisis.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 02:23 PM (LvTSG)

333 My favorite Beatle is Ringo Starr. He was sick and in the hospital a lot as a kid. I think they made him more down to earth and less a hubristic musician. Although, FenSpouse who is a huge Beatles fan-was very disappointed that Starr gave money to BLM. I told him I don't think Ringo personally hands out the checks. I think the leftists who handle his money thought that was a good thing before it was obvious to more people that it was entirely a cynical grift

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 02:23 PM (D+F6R)

334 “But if at some point the small handful of folks who refuse to be part of the team after the conference overwhelmingly voted for Kevin, if they make it clear that they cannot be team players then we have to look somewhere else,” Bacon said. “In the end, we have to govern.”
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (MFZ8i)
++++
He means, "rule." In the end, they have to *rule.*

Governors seek compromises and solutions. Rulers demand fealty.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:23 PM (t0OGg)

335
Wow. The guy really hates America.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

Soros is still upset that the USA entered WWII and his side lost.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM (2dci9)

336 Keep going in the hopes of making things so untenable that the other side blinks and capitulates and votes him in on his terms

The problem with this approach is every time he fails to win, that emboldens and energizes his opponents, rather than tiring them out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM (0hOvj)

337 Larry Niven is a brilliant idea guy but he needs another author working with him to really write anything good.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023


***
Maybe now that he is older. I find I have trouble following some of his recent writing. But I point you to Ringworld and the Neutron Star collection: superb storytelling with dazzling imagination, and even a good sense of humor.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM (J2vNu)

338
He and Hakeem stip down tho their tighty whities and settle who's Speaker with hammers on the floor of the house.

It's the American way.

Posted by: Auspex at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM (lXPRc)

339 326 Why do they keep holding votes if McCarthy -- or nobody else -- has the votes? I'm assuming McCarthy is trying to shore up the votes he needs, but if he doesn't have them, then why are they just voting over and over? It's like asking the same girl out over and over and getting the Heisman each time. Is this some kind of House parliamentary requirement?
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (iFTx/)

========

Because McCarthy is bad at this job and knows no other way to get what he wants than by expecting his people to fall in line.

He's the only man who could possibly lead the GOP in this desperate fight against the evils of leftism today.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM (LvTSG)

340 Wait. Vote over and over again and let the media savage the conservative elements of your party in the hopes they surrender.


lol except what is happening is your RINO/Luntzified HairBoy looks a total fool and even if you somehow force him in he will be a LOSER

Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM (w0NJk)

341 "In the end, we have to govern." What the hell does that mean? Or better, what does that hick from Nebraska think it means? They have jack shit they need to do.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM (oWBc3)

342 I fully expect McCarthy to make a deal with the democrats to get enough votes. That would be perfectly in line with what the GOPe stands for. His goal is his own career, and to protect the deep state. He will assuredly promise that J6 prisoners stay in jail, and that no investigation of the corruption in the FBI and DOJ will occur.

Posted by: Thomas Paine

That has already been promised. There will have to be more and it will be terrible for America.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (u4CEu)

343 >>> Larry Niven is a brilliant idea guy but he needs another author working with him to really write anything good.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:21 PM (0hOvj)

Ringworld and Ringworld Engineers excepted. He did work better in collaboration.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 02:23 PM (pyVNc)


I liked lucifer's hammer. And the space elephant one. Were those in collaboration?

Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (0fVbu)

344 So McCarthy is more willing to compromise with the Dems than with the conservative element of his own party? This tells me all I need to know about the GOPe.
Posted by: Butch at January 04, 2023 02:16 PM (0APJ3)
++++
This is almost always the case. This is just a more public example than we usually get.
==
It is, at least to me, interesting to note how in the last several decades things seem to be becoming more obvious, and hard to deny. The institutions are corrupt, our "expert class" idiots, and our "leaders" lost.
It was a great run. Will be again after the rectification of the Voldronnii is completed.

Posted by: Call me "Goze" at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (3CxZx)

345 The problem with this approach is every time he fails to win, that emboldens and energizes his opponents, rather than tiring them out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM (0hOvj)
++++
The pressure will come from other quarters. This is a public humiliation, and they're pinning it - successfully, so far - on Gaetz.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (t0OGg)

346 When Tarantino says the 80's were creatively bankrupt - and he's wrong - what he means is it was a time when everything was repressed by Christian Conservatives and had to fit in neat little patriotic rah rah Reagan USA boxes.

He's a fucking idiot retard who is also a genius and a seriously talented filmmaker. He also said that current movie times made him rethink his stance on the 80's.

What annoys me about him is there is a "conservative" core to a lot of his movies and yet somehow he thinks he's this giant fucking liberal but like all douchebags who are up their own ass, he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

OTOH he doesn't do message movies as such other than "fuck this evil thing". Which means, unlike most of Pedowood, he does believe in evil - it's not some subjective thing. He likes to entertain and take you on a little journey. I like to watch movies that entertain me. So it works.

A lot of "conservatives" and movie lovers don't like him and I get it. But he does what the fuck he wants and it's frankly refreshing.

Posted by: ... at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (z0uzK)

347 248 Jordan Peterson has to go for social media usage retraining or face losing his professional accreditation:

tinyurl.com/yc86p5sy
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 02:11 PM (D+F6R)

////////

Peterson is such an inspirational figure to millions. I hate this.

Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (NqmUn)

348 326 Why do they keep holding votes if McCarthy -- or nobody else -- has the votes? I'm assuming McCarthy is trying to shore up the votes he needs, but if he doesn't have them, then why are they just voting over and over? It's like asking the same girl out over and over and getting the Heisman each time. Is this some kind of House parliamentary requirement?
Posted by: Elric Blade at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (iFTx/)

You either vote or adjourn. Nothing else can happen til there is a speaker.

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (exHjb)

349 as I said yesterday - I hope they hold 10,000,000 votes

yes just keep on keepin' on guys

Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (w0NJk)

350 Bacon said. “In the end, we have to govern.”
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (MFZ8i)

Uh... Legislatures do not Govern, they Legislate.

So, this guy believes that the Speaker of the House, GOVERNS the House?

Posted by: Vin at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (oHd/0)

351 ***
I know I thought of grammar and junior high school that way. The old B & W prison pictures with Bogart et al. on the Late Show really resonated with me.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
-----

'You'll never take alive coppers!'
budda, budda, budda

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (fjfub)

352 Kevin McCarthy is not very smart.
---
Which is why I've long asked: do we really want Speaker Frank Luntz's Totally Platonic Roommate?

I could see that he was no standout when Ryan was Speaker. He is remarkable in his unimpressiveness.

Posted by: Axeman at January 04, 2023 02:26 PM (OaZlZ)

353 My office manager has a very bright son and she was proud to tell me a few years ago of the schools to which he was admitted that he turned down, in favor of Capital Technical University in the Washington beltway area. Their graduates end up with multiple offers, and her son now works for a skunkworks aerospace operation doing classified engineering work and he's having the time of his life.

If your child is a geeky engineer and you don't want to pay a fortune for DEI classes at a traditional engineering school, check it out. It worked wonders for him.

https://www.captechu.edu/

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 04, 2023 02:26 PM (YH1IF)

354 The pressure will come from other quarters. This is a public humiliation, and they're pinning it - successfully, so far - on Gaetz.


I'm not seeing that

Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 04, 2023 02:26 PM (w0NJk)

355 Peterson is such an inspirational figure to millions. I hate this.
Posted by: JM in Fla/Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (NqmUn)
++++
Us, too.

Posted by: Ontario College of Psychologists at January 04, 2023 02:26 PM (t0OGg)

356 Wait. Vote over and over again and let the media savage the conservative elements of your party in the hopes they surrender.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 02:23 PM (TTbU0)

The problem is those members get savaged in the media already.

Posted by: Crom Laughs at January 04, 2023 02:26 PM (dN42F)

357 lol except what is happening is your RINO/Luntzified HairBoy looks a total fool and even if you somehow force him in he will be a LOSER
Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM


True. He's too arrogant to realize that, and the Dems couldn't care less if he destroys his own (non-existent) ability to lead.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 02:26 PM (TTbU0)

358 What was that definition of insanity again?

Posted by: fd at January 04, 2023 02:26 PM (iayUP)

359 I did read and enjoy R. Scott Bakker's Prince of Nothing trilogy (but not the follow-on series), which I only mention mostly because MAE has suggested he might be provoked into a stemwinding rant about the series.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 04, 2023 02:18 PM (ppBhU)

*Grinds teeth*

Fucking anti-christian propaganda with gay ass shit gravy. He makes Phillip Pullman look like a real writer.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 02:27 PM (pyVNc)

360 319 Let's posit a theory:
Kevin McCarthy is not very smart.
Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
------
And Ronna Romney, and Mitch McConnell, and most of Conservative Media TM, and ----

These are people selected because they go along to get along with the oligarchs. Bob Dahl's classic study of New Haven CT described the city government as a deformed polyarchy instead of pluralism. Essentially, politics is a shadow cast by background struggles among oligarchs for power and money. The public scarcely enters into the equation except when the power structure goes too far as to be noticed.

The battle for the speakership and McCarthy's open appeal for Dem votes is being noticed.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 02:27 PM (bDjBG)

361 I'm kind of an odd duck in that despite being a D&D geek, I don't really read a ton of fantasy (horror being my mainstay).

Old-school D&D was influenced by more than just standard fantasy. Horror was there as well, and straight up science fiction.

Shannara was a lot more D&D than Tolkien ever was.

Posted by: Cordwainer Smith at January 04, 2023 02:27 PM (EXyHK)

362 Frank Luntz's doesn't know when to pull out.

Posted by: Archer at January 04, 2023 02:27 PM (gmo/4)

363 they say there are only SEVEN different types of stories.

-
Only seven stories?! Hell, there's more than that in a single Penthouse Forum.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 02:27 PM (FVME7)

364
Like someone said a few months ago, kids are like convicts trying to escape prison
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023

-------

Dude, I've constructed a series of "cell blocks" in my home, for my 2 year old. Gates all over.

One day I shot a photo of her raging through the bars, and sent it to the wife, captioned "another black youth living life behind the walls."

She was trying to pretend it wasn't funny, but she knew it was.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 04, 2023 02:27 PM (oINRc)

365 I'm not seeing that
Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 04, 2023 02:26 PM (w0NJk)
++++
Turn on the news.

In their bubble, this is a humiliation caused by renegades within the Party who hate democracy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:27 PM (t0OGg)

366 305 there must be a rule against mentioning drug legalization as a large factor

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 04, 2023 02:27 PM (11zNb)

367 Peterson is such an inspirational figure to millions. I hate this.

If you look at Peterson's timeline, even Elon Musk is disturbed by this development.

Posted by: kallisto at January 04, 2023 02:28 PM (dCxaZ)

368 345 The problem with this approach is every time he fails to win, that emboldens and energizes his opponents, rather than tiring them out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM (0hOvj)
++++
The pressure will come from other quarters. This is a public humiliation, and they're pinning it - successfully, so far - on Gaetz.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (t0OGg)

Ummm, it's kinda McCarthy's humiliation - you can have a villain, which they are making Gaetz, but the humiliated is the loser, and McCarthy keeps losing...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2023 02:28 PM (exHjb)

369 Larry Niven is a brilliant idea guy but he needs another author working with him to really write anything good.

I just recently read Dream Park, which was a collaboration and a whole lot of fun.

Posted by: Cordwainer Smith at January 04, 2023 02:28 PM (EXyHK)

370 252. Waves back to RMBS! And say hi to your marvelous Mom!

Posted by: LadyS at January 04, 2023 02:28 PM (VGiJY)

371 And apparently neither does Kevin McCarthy.

Posted by: Archer at January 04, 2023 02:28 PM (gmo/4)

372 Bacon said. "In the end, we have to govern."

That sounded better in its original Shaddam-ese, "The spice must flow."

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 04, 2023 02:28 PM (aXxgO)

373 McCarthy 153
Jerreries 165
Donalds 18
Donalds

Posted by: Braenyard's phone at January 04, 2023 02:28 PM (SL9yj)

374 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 04, 2023 02:27 PM (oINRc)

It is funny. That's great!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 04, 2023 02:28 PM (D+F6R)

375 Seems like I read one of Bakker's books.

There was one series (or book that was supposed to have a follow on) where a Roman Empire direct lift was in a world of magic, but the Romans crushed everyone because the city had lead pipes- but you also had the deleterious effects of long term lead consumption.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (zZu0s)

376 The speakership should be settled by an epic rap/accordion-playing battle. Winner must accel at both. Contestants are judged by a panel of isolated Brazillian tribes people.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (0fVbu)

377

I liked lucifer's hammer. And the space elephant one. Were those in collaboration?
Posted by: banana Dream

Footfall Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (2dci9)

378 Bacon said. "In the end, we have to govern."
--
Bacon, reign o'er me!

Posted by: Axeman at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (OaZlZ)

379 Waves back to RMBS! And say hi to your marvelous Mom!
Posted by: LadyS at January 04, 2023 02:28 PM


Will do! Tell the deacon we said hi!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (TTbU0)

380 376 The speakership should be settled by an epic rap/accordion-playing battle. Winner must accel at both. Contestants are judged by a panel of isolated Brazillian tribes people.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (0fVbu)

========

So, Weird Al is the leader we've been waiting for?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (LvTSG)

381 I liked lucifer's hammer. And the space elephant one. Were those in collaboration?
Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 02:25 PM (0fVbu)

Jah, both with Jerry Pournelle. Footfall was the elephant alien story. Great concept, uneven execution in the latter.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (pyVNc)

382 The speakership should be settled by an epic rap/accordion-playing battle. Winner must accel at both. ...
Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (0fVbu)
++++
So Weird Al will be speaker?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (t0OGg)

383 The humiliation of McCarthy is exquisitely delicious.

You know, I bet he has no idea so many people mock him for being Luntz' not-boyfriend.

I'd bet $10 he thinks it's only known in DC. He just reeks stupid and arrogant ignorance.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (lQyVY)

384 Bacon said. “In the end, we have to govern.”
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at January 04, 2023 02:22 PM (MFZ8i)

***
*looks at $1.7 trillion budget*
Govern? Dude, you suck at it.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (anj39)

385 That reminds me, I just started reading Merlin's Bones by Saberhagen. I found it by accident and lurv me some King Arthur, and lurv me some Berserkers, so I figured I'd give it a shot. It's pretty interesting so far but I'm only 1/3rd or so in.

If you find it for $1 at a thrift store I recommend picking it up.

Posted by: The shots were safe and effective. Some people got safe, some people got effective. at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (K8Cic)

386 Turn on the news.

I'm sure they're pushing that but I'm hearing more people talking about how desperate RinoHair is begging the Dems to vote for him. with snickering. so these are not Republicans FYI

most people are focusing on McCarthy and how asinine he is and what a clown show the Rs are. neither item is wrong; they're totally right.

they're hoping Hakeem gets R votes which who knows, maybe.

Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (w0NJk)

387 Let me be the first to say I welcome our bacon overlords.

Posted by: Axeman at January 04, 2023 02:30 PM (OaZlZ)

388 University are like kindergarten

Posted by: Skip at January 04, 2023 02:30 PM (bYOCB)

389 >>Despite its high COVID vaccination rate—more than 80% of residents are fully vaccinated, according to CDC data—Multnomah County saw a stark increase in excess deaths from 2020 to 2021.


Fox Butterfield nods

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at January 04, 2023 02:30 PM (t4BDZ)

390 NOOD SEFTON

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:30 PM (t0OGg)

391 aww

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 02:30 PM (pyVNc)

392 I'm sure the grounds surrounding the Obama presidential library could accommodate a significantly large encampment of migrants.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 04, 2023 02:30 PM (Er3sM)

393 In their bubble, this is a humiliation caused by renegades within the Party who hate democracy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix



I think that needs an 'our' before democracy, to indicate what it really is.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 04, 2023 02:30 PM (lTGtQ)

394 What was that definition of insanity again?
Posted by: fd at January 04, 2023 02:26 PM (iayUP)

Watching someone else do the same thing over and over and expecting to see a different result.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2023 02:30 PM (9UlRk)

395 hopefully I can make the book thread. See how work is.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 04, 2023 02:30 PM (pyVNc)

396 I'm sure they're pushing that but I'm hearing more people talking about how desperate RinoHair is begging the Dems to vote for him. with snickering. so these are not Republicans FYI ...
Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 04, 2023 02:29 PM (w0NJk)
++++
In the real world, sure.

But in their bubble - the bubble in which they *and* their oligarch sponsors live - they're trying to pin it on Gaetz, and see him destroyed for it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2023 02:31 PM (t0OGg)

397 mccarthy fails in 5th vote.

-
It's like all those times James West almost caught Dr. Lovelace.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter 2023 at January 04, 2023 02:31 PM (FVME7)

398 I propose Dem Rosa DiLauro as speaker. Our enemies would think if we're crazy enough vote in Medusa as our speaker they won't mess with us

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 04, 2023 02:32 PM (11zNb)

399 When Tarantino says the 80's were creatively bankrupt - and he's wrong - what he means is it was a time when everything was repressed by Christian Conservatives and had to fit in neat little patriotic rah rah Reagan USA boxes.

Yeah, that is his exact problem. He doesn't mean nothing good came out of the 80s, a ton of great cinema did. What he means is those icky films like Rocky 3 and Red Dawn came out in the 80s and everyone loved them.

I mean this is a partial list of the great films, eternal classics, that came out in the 80s (and it doesn't include fan faves like Indiana Jones etc)
Gandhi
Cinema Paradiso
Elephant Man
The Last Emperor
Das Boot
Ran
Full Metal Jacket
Blade Runner
The Right Stuff
Chariots of Fire
Glory
The Thing
Brazil
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2023 02:32 PM (0hOvj)

400 281 I am amused that McCarthy made a mistake - he threw too many seats, like Alaska and others - but yet still won the majority. So, now he has almost no votes to lose.

If he'd have tried and won some of the America First seats, the newbies would have defended him and he'd have coasted in to the spot.

Karma - sometimes, you make your own bed...
-----------------
He's essentially at the Kelly's Heros moment where he has to make a deal deal with the NAZIs to get the gold.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 04, 2023 02:32 PM (D8mow)

401 Peterson is making the charges against him public:

https://tinyurl.com/5cjh4avc

You have to take a look at this guy's timeline, he is absolute fire.

Posted by: kallisto at January 04, 2023 02:32 PM (dCxaZ)

402 354 The pressure will come from other quarters. This is a public humiliation, and they're pinning it - successfully, so far - on Gaetz.
-------------
The GOP deserves to be humiliated from top to bottom as their malicious incompetence in politics stems from being bought.

All you are getting from the media is the horror of the elites that someone dissents. Same thing as people who opposed the Vaxx, sending money to Ukraine, etc.

Posted by: whig at January 04, 2023 02:33 PM (bDjBG)

403 I mean this is a partial list of the great films, eternal classics, that came out in the 80s (and it doesn't include fan faves like Indiana Jones etc)
--------------------
You missed Amadeus.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 04, 2023 02:33 PM (D8mow)

404 It is not fit that you should sit here any longer. You have sat here for too long for any good you have been doing lately. In the name of God go!


Posted by: Archer at January 04, 2023 02:33 PM (gmo/4)

405 The idiot RINO pushing mccarthy is bragging he got 85% of the vote in some caucus naming him their leader? Yeah and he is still getting about that moron. But he needs more than that. Asshole did you fail math?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 02:33 PM (Irn0L)

406 As a father of two boys and a girl, and as the husband of a former teacher of 20 years, I can tell you unreservedly that the treatment of boys over the past decade especially has become outright toxic.

It began as an effort to make sure the roles of girls were expanded to include fields typically chosen by boys. But it devolved into a zero-sum game, where boys were always the losers. Instead of inclusivity for girls, administrators determined to prove that boys were simply inferior girls -- because boys "acted out" or were always physical or "aggressive." Boys' natural tendencies -- to get hands-on, to be excitable, to behave poorly when sufficient time to burn off extra energy was eliminated -- all played into the administrators' pre-determined outlook.

My youngest was always being called out as a problem child. He was called ADHD and autistic. He ended up hating school. In junior high, he came home excited about a new high school possibility at a Tech school. Our low-C's student immediately changed to an honor roll kid on multiple sports teams.

It ain't the boys; it's the administrators.

Posted by: red speck at January 04, 2023 02:34 PM (gS3OW)

407
I liked lucifer's hammer. And the space elephant one. Were those in collaboration?
Posted by: banana Dream at January 04, 2023


***
Yes, both with Jerry Pournelle (whose solo work I find dull, and prefer him with Niven). Niven-Pournelle and Steven Barnes wrote The Legacy of Heorot in the late '80s and with 1-2 sequels. You'd think a book with 3 authors would be a mishmash. Far from it, at least the first one.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:34 PM (J2vNu)

408 @399

>>I mean this is a partial list of the great films, eternal classics, that came out in the 80s (and it doesn't include fan faves like Indiana Jones etc)

Don't forget...

Amadeus
Raging Bull
The Killing Fields
The Shining
Terms of Endearment
Grave of The Fireflies
Do The Right Thing

And like a hundred more films.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 04, 2023 02:38 PM (up/3i)

409 I know I thought of grammar and junior high school that way. The old B & W prison pictures with Bogart et al. on the Late Show really resonated with me.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
-----
'You'll never take alive coppers!'
budda, budda, budda
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 04, 2023


***
"Made it, Ma! Top o' the world!"
(-- the correct quote from White Heat)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 04, 2023 02:39 PM (J2vNu)

410 >>> He and Hakeem stip down tho their tighty whities and settle who's Speaker with hammers on the floor of the house. It's the American way.
Posted by: Auspex at January 04, 2023 02:24 PM (lXPRc)

You want: hunger games style battle royale for speaker

You will settle for: wakanda style battle

You will get: shady deals made in back rooms in the middle of the night

Posted by: LizLem at January 04, 2023 02:39 PM (+mkOR)

411 For some reason, I'm picturing that snickering little white cartoon dog.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 04, 2023 02:23 PM (sVtYq)

Muttly. Stop that Pigeon!

Posted by: InZona at January 04, 2023 02:43 PM (bfyic)

412 WOW 5th vote as same as the 4th.
Whoda thought?

Is water still wet? Asking for a friend

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2023 02:45 PM (Irn0L)

413 "McCarthy has begun talks with Democrats..."
LOL

Posted by: Fool Otto at January 04, 2023 02:51 PM (DB16e)

414 Hakeem Dreem Teem

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 04, 2023 02:52 PM (63Dwl)

415 Speaking as a degreed engineer, what I'm most afraid of is the possibility that boys will be discouraged from STEM because it's a "girl thing" but girls won't go into it because they're just not interested.

That leaves us with nobody building the things that make society work.

I realize it's unlikely, but that's what I worry about.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at January 04, 2023 02:55 PM (VbJAF)

416 I would like to agree with you that "other" is a word that has been completely misused, and used as a weapon.

I have a master's in critical theory, and "other" means something in post-modern lingo, like consciousness and not prejudice.

Lots of words like that-- the smart set is weaponizing them all.

Posted by: Ultra pj at January 04, 2023 03:01 PM (G1dq6)

417 Again, for the Burning Times fans: It's burning.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2023 03:23 PM (BdMk6)

418 >>>Again, for the Burning Times fans: It's burning.

I've already got my popcorn. It needs to burn harder so I can roast my hotdog.

Posted by: mikethemoose at January 04, 2023 03:47 PM (T/vhV)

419 Making every month extra dollars by doing an easy job Online. Last month i have earned and received $18539 from this home based job just by giving this only mine 2 hrs a day. Easy to do work even a child can get this and start making money Online. Get this today by.

follow instructions on this website…………….____ cashapp247.tk

Posted by: Anita at January 04, 2023 07:50 PM (+q6EH)

420

Making money online is more than $15k just by doing simple work from home. I received $18376 last month. It's an easy and simple job to do and its earnings are much better than regular office jobs and even a little child can do this and earn money. Everybody must try this job by just use the info on this page..... www.Paynet2.com

Posted by: Carla Rogers at January 06, 2023 02:23 AM (AVs3y)

421 coursework help uk
coursework history
do my coursework for me

Posted by: InessakiMt at January 20, 2023 12:52 PM (Iqq7a)

(Jump to top of page)






Processing 0.04, elapsed 0.0557 seconds.
15 queries taking 0.0194 seconds, 430 records returned.
Page size 252 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.8 beta.



MuNuvians
MeeNuvians
Polls! Polls! Polls!

Real Clear Politics
Gallup
Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
Top Top Tens
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat