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"Perfessor" Squirrel Speaks Out!
On "The Gas Station of the Future"...
Admittedly, $39 doesn't sound too bad for a full charge on a vehicle. That's about what it would cost me right now to fill up my car with gas (2003 Nissan Sentra SE-R; gas is about $3/gal; around 13 gallon tank). Of course, it doesn't take 30 minutes to fill up my car with gas. Do the solar panels have the capacity to continuously charge vehicles? At what latitudes and seasons can we expect those solar panels to be most efficient? What is the cost of maintaining/replacing those panels compared to maintaining fuel pumps? What happens when the sun goes down? Oh, wait...This station is in England and the sun never sets on the British Empire! Or is that colonialist?
Since the beginning of 2022, a Shell station in Fulham, England, has removed all of its gas pumps to instead offer rapid electric vehicle (EV) chargers for those who need to recharge, as reported by Bloomberg. The awnings over each charger are equipped with solar panels and can fully charge a Tesla Model 3 in about a half-hour, costing around $39.
Because charging EVs takes longer than pumping gas, the station offers more food and activities for customers while they wait. People charging their cars can get groceries, buy coffee, get their cars washed, or even take a breather in lounge chairs.Guess what? People already have access to all of those amenities. There's a reason why you never see a gas station that only sells gas. It's because the "convenience store" model is far, far more profitable. You pay a premium on food, drink, and other amenities for the convenience. It may only take 5 minutes to fill up my gas tank, but if I'm on a long road trip (e.g., traveling to TXMOME), a 30-minute break to sit down and eat a meal can be rejuvenating. Oh, and can I get my car washed while it's charging? That should be fun!
Now I'm confused. I thought earning profits was wrong...Or is it only profits from evil petrochemicals? So Shell is allowed to earn massive profits from selling electricity, but not petroleum byproducts? What "suppliers" are being referenced here? Are THEY allowed to earn massive profits? Why? Does ALL the electricity come from solar power? Or does Shell still need to find a reliable supply of electricity for their charging stations? Here's an idea! What if Shell still drilled for petrochemicals, but then burned the oil for energy that is delivered to their charging stations? Is that allowed? They can still pass on the costs of drilling and overhead onto their customers, but hide the costs behind the "charging fees." (Will any of that be subject to federal or state taxation? How will the feds grift off this?)
Financially, gas providers like Shell building more gasless gas stations makes sense considering the explosive growth of the EV market. McKinsey & Co. found that installing these nonfuel stations may represent a several billion-dollar opportunity for suppliers.
You still haven't answered the question about where Shell is going to get all of the electrons they need to provide electricity. And of course, as has been well-documented, the massive amount of materials required for the manufacture and disposal of electric vehicles is an incredible environmental disaster, all of which requires tremendous energy as well. (Where does THAT energy come from?)
Shell currently is the largest gas retailer in the world with tens of thousands of stations across the globe. So it has the immense potential to prevent the burning of its own planet-overheating dirty energy sources by erecting more of these gasless gas stations.
I love how Ben uses the word "chic" to describe these refueling stations. One definition for "chic" as an adjective is "currently fashionable." That gives the game away right there. The author *knows* that there is no rational argument for worldwide electric vehicle charging stations. The economics simply don't support this model. It's a virtue signal that only the "cool kids" will be using EVs while us deplorables out here in flyover country still rely on ICE (*yuck!*). As I mentioned at the beginning, the commenters are positively, brutally, *savage* in tearing apart this fool's article. Yet tomorrow or next week, this man--I'm assuming his gender here though the jury is still out until he produces his Man card--will write another stupid, puerile article espousing the glories of his Leftist religion...*sigh*
It's crucial that energy companies build a lot more of these chic refueling stations to help charge EVs. This London station is an example of what our future could look like.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 03, 2023 06:00 PM (Wy1BU)
Posted by: zombie Nelson Rockefeller at January 03, 2023 06:00 PM (CCSxw)
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:01 PM (xhxe8)
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Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:03 PM (qoGsy)
Posted by: kathysaysso at January 03, 2023 06:03 PM (m78jL)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (u4CEu)
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Is explosive the adjective they should be going with, considering the battery spontaneous combustion issues?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (fs1hN)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: kathysaysso
Not the Jetson's future I was looking forward to.
Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (ZEa+g)
Posted by: kathysaysso at January 03, 2023 06:03 PM (m78jL)
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That's what you get when The Powers That Be rely on dystopian fiction as an instruction manual than the warning it was intended to be...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (BpYfr)
And there you have it. People going there to charge their cars are spending tons more $$$$$ while they wait for their cars to charge. Typically in the US gas stations only made a penny or two on each gallon of gas sold. This place is making more money than a regular gas station just by selling food and trinkets to people who are forced to wait for their cars to charge.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (uNylN)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (qoGsy)
Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:06 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Oldcat
Noticed that too didya?
Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:06 PM (qoGsy)
Posted by: Stacy0311 at January 03, 2023 06:07 PM (VfLe7)
Shouldn't it be the Gasless Station?
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:07 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 03, 2023 06:07 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (uNylN)
What happens if they don't buy anything but the charge. If I'm spending time I can't afford by force, I'm not inclined to buy pop-tarts to keep them afloat.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:07 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (a3Q+t)
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Ace cruelty is best cruelty, but when the Laird is away from his Manor, why can't we minions have some fun?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:08 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Stacy0311
If Buc-ee's added a pool and rooms to rent folks would never leave.
"To hell with the trip! Let's stay here!!"
Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:08 PM (qoGsy)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:08 PM (Vwz3I)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (u4CEu)
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WAIT. Wait.
Posted by: Braenyard's phone at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (tOXH0)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (ajIMS)
Posted by: Veep Throat at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (qoGsy)
Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (lcQJG)
Posted by: Roy at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (rqgpJ)
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WAIT. Wait.
Posted by: Braenyard's phone at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (tOXH0)
Slots and video poker.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (qW3gD)
And a garden spigot to hose off with afterwards.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (+L+7J)
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (eoQWY)
Solar and wind are for chumps.
What we need are giant, slave powered, hamster wheels. Turning endlessly, day and night. A bit rough on the slaves, but you can always get more of 'em...
Posted by: Some Dude at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (36iDf)
Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Bruce "Caitlin" Jenner at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (O2PCU)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (ajIMS)
LOL explosion they are what, 10% of the market? You're exploding yourself into a collapse, Shell. The gaslighting going on about EVs is baffling to me
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (eGTCV)
Solar and wind are for chumps.
What we need are giant, slave powered, hamster wheels. Turning endlessly, day and night. A bit rough on the slaves, but you can always get more of 'em...
Posted by: Some Dude at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (36iDf)
Slaves would be glad for a break from the rare earth mines.
Posted by: Roy at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (rqgpJ)
Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (lcQJG)
Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (kFrCu)
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (xhxe8)
Goes to some politician's friends and relatives to study climate change. Thousands of jobs. U.S. Dept of Climate.
DON'T DOUBT ME
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (+frZ/)
Happy ending round eye.
Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (gmo/4)
Slots and video poker.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (qW3gD)
Even if that works, the car is still taking up the space another car could use for charging.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (yZlY6)
"To hell with the trip! Let's stay here!!"
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*snorts*
Honestly... they opened the first one here in Kentucky (Richmond, south of Lexington) and we made a day trip out of going over there to check it out. Like 75 miles one way. It was glorious.
All gas/diesel... no fake EV shit.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (Q4IgG)
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/
1610394209302847488
Only up to #8 so far.
https://tinyurl.com/3ekztd52
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (Vwz3I)
Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (kFrCu)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: Roy
Hamsters on treadmills. Pixy had foresight to use that the power the AOS blog in the 00's.
Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (bDjBG)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (ajIMS)
Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (YJwUM)
Posted by: Some Dude at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (36iDf)
Fan of "Metropolis", are you?
Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (wE246)
Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (lcQJG)
Posted by: Some Dude
Hmmmm.
A thousand mile wide treadmill on the southern border.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (+L+7J)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (0hOvj)
And there's no room at your store for the other 90 pct. So everyone will go to the one that gives an option for both, and this brand will die.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:15 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:15 PM (lcQJG)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:15 PM (tkR6S)
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This is one of the reasons I always loved America. And at an impressionable age, finding out how much more charitable Righty individuals were than Lefties was a fucking eye opener.
I had been told my whole life how "good and decent" liberals were and how selfish and evil Republicans were.
Maybe God won't forsake this country after all. What the fuck else is there on earth?
Posted by: ... at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (z0uzK)
Pictures of the deceased will be on the charger LCD.
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (+frZ/)
How long does it take to recharge an electric penis pump? Asking for a friend ...
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (pNxlR)
No mention of that.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: Evi L. Bloggerlady at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (8yM+6)
Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (ZEa+g)
The future sure ain't what it used to be.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (tkR6S)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (9iJdI)
Then ask them with such a large market share and technology that was decades more mature than internal combustion why were electric cars extinct by 1920.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (T/vhV)
That's half as long as the "SUPER FAST" chargers which are -- hint -- not that fast because your batteries start losing efficiency the first time you fire up the motors.
And yes, gas engines do that too but not as great a rate, and you still refuel an old clunker in 5 minutes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (+frZ/)
No mention of that.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
No matter - your personal strategic reserve of chic will ALWAYS be full!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (pNxlR)
When these companies write off R&D and depreciation on these new investments, will the Left bitch about "subsidies" to the green movement like they do for exploration and drilling?
Posted by: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (4QPsz)
If its freezing cold? Several times a day.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:18 PM (0hOvj)
The only knowable part is that EV owners and operators will have to pay a lot more per mile than they are paying today.
Posted by: Gref at January 03, 2023 06:19 PM (AMIL/)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 03, 2023 06:19 PM (8GBH4)
Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (lcQJG)
The magic failing, or as Emmie pointed out to me being *killed*, is simply not on his mental horizon at all. We are in the early, but too late to fix, stages of a cascade failure and people like him will be caught entirely off guard. Making it easy for the evil to trick the frightened and bewildered into giving up whatever remains in the hope of returning to the paradise that was life just a couple of years before.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (nC+QA)
Posted by: Lee Also at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (YPgjG)
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (sVtYq)
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (+frZ/)
Posted by: Guy who would rent a sex doll at a gas station at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (iayUP)
Use human composting!
https://tinyurl.com/pz9m4kf6
New York became the sixth state to legalize the practice of composting human remains
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (0hOvj)
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Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (C2ZTD)
Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (ZEa+g)
Judy is now older than Jane was back then.
Posted by: Inigio Montoya at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (fCn4f)
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"New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (Vwz3I)
You shelter (die) in place.
Posted by: The State at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (lcQJG)
Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (ZEa+g)
The only Jetson's future I got was a dog named Tralfaz (Astro's original name). My Tralfaz was a Yorkie/Chihuahua mix and not a great dane.
Posted by: Beartooth at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (PX01u)
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This is one of the reasons I always loved America. And at an impressionable age, finding out how much more charitable Righty individuals were than Lefties was a fucking eye opener.
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I was watching the game through a streamer, Tom Grossi, who is a Packers fan but does national games - just showing the score, and describing the game - He was pretty early in finding the site and steering the thousands of viewers he has to donate there and spread the word. By the end of the night his regulars and the sites he spread the word to had gotten the total to a million.
He has another fun tradition that when halftime comes he finds a small streamer site, just a few guys/gals and has his posse "raid" them with chat messages, even some donations and subs to make a big spike in their viewership. It can be pretty funny watching them wonder what is happening before someone explains in chat.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (sVtYq)
The problem is they're not just gonna cast wishes at it, but laws. Just like the headache mercury bulbs.
Posted by: ... at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (z0uzK)
If its freezing cold? Several times a day.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
See, that's what they never talk about when comparing costs. Oh, a charge only costs $39 just like filling your gas tank. But I can go 300 miles at ,east, regardless of how hot or cold it is on that $39. How far can they go?
And what if they want to go for a hike in the country and there aren't any charging stations?
When your car stops , it stops. No matter where.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (Y+l9t)
Although I've really always wanted an ostrich-drawn rickshaw.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (BkkSs)
Better be a shitload of new 'gas stations' and spaced every hundred miles or so. How very eco friendly.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (TgNpw)
Posted by: Guy who would rent a sex doll at a gas station at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (iayUP)
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"Fuc-ee's"
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (+frZ/)
So why is it wrong for the auto industry to do the same?
Convert diesel and gas running mining equipment and electricity generators into a replacement for fossil fuel with no net reduction, massive increases in costs to middle and working classes, and destruction of environment.
They have a case example of the grift. It works.
(Now should I do medical industry,....)
Posted by: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (4QPsz)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (pyVNc)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (C2ZTD)
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Ass-station©®.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (Vwz3I)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (fs1hN)
Lol, good point. I was thinking that the growth of anything starting at near zero is "explosive". For a time Klinzai (sp?) was the fastest growing language in the world, and yet it is anything but ubiquitous a couple of decades later.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (nC+QA)
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (eoQWY)
And you notice it's all angle parking. Drive in, back out. Going to be a lot of petty fender-benders, which will further tie up progress. And if it takes a half hour to charge (which is a flat-out lie), then ONE charger can charge 48 cars per day, assuming zero time spent on the in/out (hint, it's not zero). One gasoline pump can fuel about 12 cars per hour. How long will it take until the station recoups its investment in the charger?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (tkR6S)
Funeral homes are doing that for free I'm sure because it uses minimal resources and is green.
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (eGTCV)
Posted by: NR Pax at January 03, 2023 06:25 PM (Z7Jj3)
Posted by: Guy who would rent a sex doll at a gas station at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (iayUP)
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Eewww! You don't know who has been in that doll!
Posted by: Ciampino - that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:26 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (pyVNc)
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That's reserved strictly for Books By Morons!
(Though I did consider posting a pic of a squirrel reading in my library chair.)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:26 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 06:26 PM (0OP+5)
do they have pinball?
asking for a friend.
Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 03, 2023 06:26 PM (v3pYe)
Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:27 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Guy who would rent a sex doll at a gas station at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (iayUP)
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"Fuc-ee's"
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Ok, I just almost spit my food out. LOL
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 06:27 PM (sVtYq)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 03, 2023 06:27 PM (fxj5q)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (1BLGl)
Funeral homes are doing that for free I'm sure because it uses minimal resources and is green.
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (eGTCV)
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I don't have an issue with that..."From the dust we came, to the dust we return" and all that...Humans have been doing that for thousands of years.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (Y+l9t)
https://tinyurl.com/yntxdrp5
Also as a regular 'unrolled' webpage:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/
1610394324788994048.html
https://tinyurl.com/yevufzuv
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (Vwz3I)
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The Chinese are already doing that. You don't even have to wait until you're dead.
Posted by: ... at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (z0uzK)
Or fully charge, then go inside and shop.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (C2ZTD)
Perfect sense. And perfect job for all the fired Twitterati, sex doll cleaners.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (1BLGl)
And what if they want to go for a hike in the country and there aren't any charging stations?
When your car stops , it stops. No matter where.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (Y+l9t)
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When you fill up your car with gas, you do have the assurance and confidence about how many miles you'll get out of the tank. No real worries in that regard. I can't imagine driving around with iffy approximations, all depending on the weather, etc. I really could not live like that.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (qW3gD)
Imagine one of these at an airport where you're getting charged short-term parking on top of the electric bill.
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (dNNCD)
There was still a lot of the "can do" optimism and better things for better living through chemistry (du pont) kind of zeitgeist in the culture, a general optomistic view of the future and technology, and rising standards of living for everyone through free markets.
It was shut off like a light switch. All of a sudden, everything we did was wrong, and government seemed to treat us as the enemy, if not outright overtly, but at least in effect.
In hindsight it was painfully obvious they set about destroying the family with incentives and punishments while at the same time de-industrializing our manufacturing centers, and running numerous psy-ops against or through the popular culture. The "counter culture" and drugs, feminism, and as always, stupid foreign wars.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (kL9Oc)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:30 PM (kFrCu)
I'm The Big Guy and I approve this message.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:30 PM (9iJdI)
Posted by: The WEF at January 03, 2023 06:30 PM (Xrfse)
A long time I gotta guess. All those "free" charging stations aren't free any longer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:30 PM (0hOvj)
Talk about a slow boat from China.
And they want feedback... bwahahaha.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:31 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 03, 2023 06:31 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (qW3gD)
What irks me is that the hybrid is a *better* model - smaller batteries, reliable gas as backup stretched and made efficient using electrical tech, but requires no new infrastructure to support.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:31 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:31 PM (kFrCu)
But the trajectory to removing independence from citizens will speed like lightning as nations convert modes of transport. The trains will always run on time, but now with the remaining batteries.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 03, 2023 06:31 PM (aXxgO)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (1BLGl)
Or fully charge, then go inside and shop.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy
Ask Robert about this - it's seen every day at truck fueling stations.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (qoGsy)
It's stupid and it can't work and it won't work. Reality will eventually intercede.
Posted by: fd at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (iayUP)
"New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."
Funeral homes are doing that for free I'm sure because it uses minimal resources and is green.
Posted by: N.Lurker
We're ready to roll.
Posted by: Soylent Corp. at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (63Dwl)
Maybe nine holes of golf, catch a movie?
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (hPvGe)
which my cat won't eat and costs twice as much.
Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (kFrCu)
Now, MPG estimates for cars are the same way, which is why you never get as much from your car as the sticker claims. But the difference is very significant. Put four people in the Prius and you get 60% of the range, but only a few MPG less in a gasser.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: Sandra Flook at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (Xrfse)
Horse and buggy. No getting put into foreign wars. No LGBTQ stuff. Raise your own meat and veg. No government tracking you on the internet. Maidens churning butter.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (BkkSs)
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (+frZ/)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 03, 2023 06:27 PM (fxj5q)
That's exactly right. If solar cells were that powerful, why would they not put them right on the cars?
Wait, one outfit is doing that, but it's every bit as much a scam as this "gas" station.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (tkR6S)
Plus, we still have a few bugs to work out.
Posted by: Gov't Kill Switch at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (hPvGe)
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Skip the middleman. Just chunk Grandma out into the backyard. She'll eventually decompose on her own, and feed the vultures in the process. The circle of life!
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (sVtYq)
Since these are fast chargers you only get to 80% charge then it goes into "trickle charge" which will take hours to get to 100% charge.
Also continuous fast charging shortens battery life.
Posted by: YIKES! at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (t6XCL)
A car more like a diesel electric train seems wise to me, if you go electric at all.
But Hydrogen seems like an even better model. And its even more efficient than gasoline, because gas burns up most of its energy in heat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (0hOvj)
I couldn't find any comments.
Also solar powered so no charging at night? If they use mains electricity, how is this obtained? Coal? Gas? Nuclear?
Posted by: Ciampino -- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (kFrCu)
Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (qoGsy)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (anj39)
Posted by: t-bird "
Maybe just catch one hole, or perhaps two or three.
Posted by: Guy who would rent a sex doll at a gas station at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (iayUP)
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (+frZ/)
I've been watching them dump all the cans in the same truck since they started with the colored dumpsters..
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (eoQWY)
If just getting there is cheapest no matter time used everyone should.
But time is money they say so fastest wins.
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (kFrCu)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (0hOvj)
Still requires a parallel 'filling station' model that needs to be developed.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: fd at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (iayUP)
****
Sure it's stupid but that free government money isn't going to lay around forever.
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (+frZ/)
Wait, one outfit is doing that, but it's every bit as much a scam as this "gas" station.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (tkR6S)
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I was wondering the same thing. The university where I work participates in solar car challenges. Those are specially designed vehicles to harness as much sunlight as possible to achieve maximum performance. They are *very* different than your standard sedan, SUV, or pickup truck. Not at all ready for primetime.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (BpYfr)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (ppBhU)
Posted by: Common Tater at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (kL9Oc)
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Can we get a number on "longer"?
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:37 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: JTB at January 03, 2023 06:37 PM (7EjX1)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:37 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 03, 2023 06:37 PM (lYbrt)
They will justify it because Gaia.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:37 PM (T/vhV)
ready to push you to the next charging station
if they don't rob and kill you first
Posted by: REDACTED at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (us2H3)
If just getting there is cheapest no matter time used everyone should.
But time is money they say so fastest wins.
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (xhxe
Because it didn't cost much less, and took ages longer. When I tried to take a train from St Louis to Cincy one year in college, the only route went through Chicago. That's double the distance. And it had a day 'layover'.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (eoQWY)
128 Vaccines, batteries, eat bugs and kill more babies.
I'm The Big Guy and I approve this message.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:30 PM (9iJdI)
Posted by: Holy Crap at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (glGDV)
No homeless on a plane or loitering around the airport. And your car's safe.
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (Sv58p)
Posted by: Hindenburg Dirigible at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (+frZ/)
27.They also received an astonishing variety of requests from officials asking for individuals they didn't like to be banned. Here, the office for Democrat and House Intel Committee chief Adam Schiff asks Twitter to ban journalist Paul Sperry
Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Ziba at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (4h9M3)
Get all your buddies to take half an hour filling up at your local gas station and see what that does to traffic.
Posted by: t-bird
A great way to get into a shouting match with some random stranger is to dilly-dally around with your car sitting in front of a gas pump when the station is busy.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (n+4am)
Also solar powered so no charging at night? If they use mains electricity, how is this obtained? Coal? Gas? Nuclear?
Posted by: Ciampino -- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (qfLjt)
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There's a "Comments" button at the top of the article, next to the author's name. Not sure how well it works on a mobile device, but in my browser on a desktop it pops open a side panel where you can read the comments.
Their savagery pales in comparison to the Moron Horde, but they are still quite fun to read!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (BpYfr)
Yeah, there is a network of hydrogen filling stations but very few in each state. Maybe if the federal government would stop fixating on EVs and stop pouring so much money into subsidies and tax breaks, there could be some real competition.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (0hOvj)
"The Sheriff is near!" has nothing on that last requirement.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (1BLGl)
"I'd like to make reservations for tomorrow night."
"Okay sir, how many will be dining in your party?"
"No. For the charging station. Do you have anything from 6:30-7:00?"
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (BkkSs)
Posted by: Snakes On A Plane at January 03, 2023 06:40 PM (+frZ/)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Hydrogen can't be stored. NOTHING stops it leaking from anything.
Posted by: MkY at January 03, 2023 06:40 PM (cPGH3)
My local gas stations are always at 80%+ capacity and it only takes about five minutes to fill up an ICE.
Every one of the EV stations should not only be filled, but there should be a pretty decent queue waiting to get in. I mean if they're trying to represent a scintilla of a semi-real situation.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 03, 2023 06:40 PM (aXxgO)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 03, 2023 06:41 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:41 PM (xhxe8)
This is not an exaggeration.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:41 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: MkY at January 03, 2023 06:40 PM (cPGH3)
It even leaks from EARTH. Our gravity can't keep it from escaping into outer space eventually.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:41 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (0hOvj)
Hydrogen is a terrible choice. The energy density is appallingly low, and there are no hydrogen wells, nor will there ever be. You have to make hydrogen by adding energy to some substance that contains it. Gasoline exists as a component of crude oil, and the energy needed to refine it from the crude comes from the crude.
The best way to store and handle hydrogen is to pack it into a lattice of carbon atoms. Nature already does this for us.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:41 PM (tkR6S)
At an average refuling time of 5-7 minutes, a current 8 pump gas station can refill between 80-100 vehicles an hour. At a refueling time of 30-40 minutes to refuel, an electric gas station can refuel 12-16 vehicles per hour.
You will need refueling stations the size of wal-mart parking lots in order to keep up with demand, and a power source equivalent to a 600MW nuclear power plant to handle the electrical draw.
Posted by: Mirror Universe Phill Collins at January 03, 2023 06:42 PM (xk3M4)
With the promise of self-driving cars and modern upholstery what do people need a "breather" from?
How is sitting on your ass in a car so exhausting?
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 03, 2023 06:42 PM (3hSHB)
Plus, "convenience" stores are the watering holes of crackheads, meth maniacs and those looking for crap to stick in their pie holes. Avoid going inside them as your chance to be raped, robbed or get a case of exploding diarrhea go up dramatically.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 06:42 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: MkY at January 03, 2023 06:40 PM (cPGH3)
There is no hydrogen. It has to be made. By putting more energy into making it then you get out of it.
I think I see a problem.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 03, 2023 06:42 PM (7cRTM)
Also solar powered so no charging at night? If they use mains electricity, how is this obtained? Coal? Gas? Nuclear?
Posted by: Ciampino -- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (qfLjt)
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the wind still blows at night
sometimes
Posted by: REDACTED at January 03, 2023 06:42 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (1BLGl)
Imagine the Bonanza of having potential victims electrically stranded for a half hour at a pop, or sometimes for up to 1 or 2 hours. Cha-ching!
Posted by: Common Tater at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (kL9Oc)
Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (kFrCu)
They have to charge them all day while working, and there was a mini scandal when someone unplugged someone else to take the charging spot...
Out of the ones I know personally they ALL have another ICE car, generally the spouse's, which they use for trips that aren't just local.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (lc5cP)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (T/vhV)
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (+frZ/)
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (eoQWY)
There is an advantage to a train trip - you can stand up and walk about to the dining car or restroom or even noodle around. A disadvantage in cities is you see the unsightly dumpster area of every building in town as you come through.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (eoQWY)
I don't know how they do it with hydrogen stations. The biggest drawback to hydrogen is that it takes more energy to gather (separate from water usually) than it gives. Until someone can come up with a real way to harvest hydrogen in large quantities cheaply, its not a real replacement for gasoline.
But compared to EVs, its a much better option: it fills fast, burns clean, gives plenty of power, and doesn't lose power in cold.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (0hOvj)
Who has time to spend 30m at an EV charging station a couple of times a week?
Remember the people that tried to drive cross country in an EV and they spent more time charging then driving?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (lc5cP)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (Vwz3I)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (C2ZTD)
.......
Do they sell sushi?
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (+frZ/)
Posted by: DaveA at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: gnats local 678
When I went to the COMOME in Denver, I took the train from WCO.
Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (ZEa+g)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (T/vhV)
If they start to make it work, the first thing to go is going to be them and their elite areas. They won't be able to pretend regular people don't exist any more when we all shuffle to the same corner market for overpriced food.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (dKiJG)
Gay adult film performer Shawn Paul Bertrand Jr., a.k.a. Shawn Wolfe, dead at 35
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (c7ca9)
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (krQz2)
How is this not government censorship? And you know they were doing it to The rest of social media as well.
The FBI is still arresting people present on J6 even if they never entered the Capital. Two years later. Is it no wonde they can't stop a single Jihadi or mass shooter.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (+frZ/)
+++
Well now, I have seen many times homeless people collecting plastic containers and cans and stuffing them in gigantic plastic bags to turn in for money. In a sense, they are keeping the streets debris free, like hyenas. So I guess now in California all of the garbage tossed out of cars will just sit there.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (qW3gD)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (lc5cP)
Think it took what, 25 days? And they had to route through the south, I think, since they could not physically find stations through the midwest and west.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: MikeG at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (VsUo2)
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (L43BE)
@elonmusk
US govt agency demanded suspension of 250k accounts, including journalists & Canadian officials!
Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (ZLI7S)
"Nah, we're going to charge the car. Gonna meet a few friends there and cook some hot dogs and drinking a few brewskis. Wanna join us?"
"Nah, thanks for the invite. Last time we went the old lady got into it with one of the lot lizards and we couldn't leave for like 26 more minutes. Now we gotta go down to Walmart and charge up in the RV parking lot. There's another three hours outta my life. Y'all have fun."
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (BkkSs)
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (c7ca9)
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Zat's sokay. You vill hown no trailers!
Posted by: Your Buddy, Klaus at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (krQz2)
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Sheldon and Wolowitz??
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (Vwz3I)
Gov go crazy and all cults become more attractive. Maybe some cult franchises.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (rEYaR)
No eggs at any price to be had, not at Safeway, Grocery Outlet or Lucky.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (jTmQV)
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (xhxe8)
In other important news:
Gay adult film performer Shawn Paul Bertrand Jr., a.k.a. Shawn Wolfe, dead at 35
Posted by: wth
So THAT'S what happened to garrett.
RIP
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (n+4am)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (Y+l9t)
Ecoterrorists will love the explosion 💥.
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (+frZ/)
I think an average funeral costs something like $15,000 - I could be low. How much do you bet that a composting burial is cheaper? Not bloody likely, I'm guessing.
Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (gmo/4)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (C2ZTD)
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (eoQWY)
Concur. Taking a train thru Gary, Indiana, I saw things.
Reminded me of Beirut in the 70's or Detroit in the 2000's.
The horror, the horror...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (R/m4+)
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Wait. Elon's Nazi E-car?
How long to charge a non-Tesla? Which is the only thing a World Citizen should own!
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (krQz2)
Thermodynamics are a bitch. Such a shame no one in government seems to have heard of it and only half can correctly add 2 + 2.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (aXxgO)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (Vwz3I)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (ZLI7S)
That is stupid and complete waste of the existing resources. Just toss the dead in the street and let the rats recycle them.
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (c7ca9)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (C2ZTD)
Except for
- efficiency loss in generating
- difficulty in storing as it is small enough to leak through anything
- difficulty in piping since it degrades steel
- high cost of fuel cells to convert back to electricity
- low energy density
- and safety issues.
other than that, it is perfect.
Posted by: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (4QPsz)
A car more like a diesel electric train seems wise to me, if you go electric at all.
But Hydrogen seems like an even better model. And its even more efficient than gasoline, because gas burns up most of its energy in heat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (0hOvj)
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Hydrogen is a terrible fuel.
Decide if you are going to use gaseous or liquid hydrogen.
- Liquefying hydrogen is energy-intensive and maintaining it liquid also energy-intensive (Strike 1).
- Energy Density is not favorable compared to petroleum (Strike 2).
- Extremely flammable. Explosion during a fire is almost guaranteed. (Strike 3)
- Many metals become brittle (Strike 5).
- Many materials including metals are semi-porous to hydrogen = leaks (Strike 6)
- Getting hydrogen from LPG or methane or water is energy-intensive (Strike 7)
There's plenty more ......
Posted by: Ciampino --- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (qfLjt)
RIP
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (n+4am)
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Dead in his crocs.
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (Y+l9t)
Oh yes. It will be so fun to watch, and likely one of the only enjoyable things amount the fall of western civilization. It will be watching the vast number of useful idiots whom earnestly believe that they are members of the cook kids club, being told to eat crickets and wait for the EV Bus to lumber by with the rest of the ordinary folk, when they are not so politely informed by their masters that the regime is secure and the era of their usefulness has passed.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (T/vhV)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:52 PM (C2ZTD)
In 1979. Seems to me they should have raised the deposit by now. Seeing people bring huge bags of dirty cans into a grocery store makes no sense, as they tend to attract vermin.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 03, 2023 06:52 PM (kL9Oc)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:52 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:52 PM (V13WU)
But compared to EVs, its a much better option: it fills fast, burns clean, gives plenty of power, and doesn't lose power in cold.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (0hOvj)
Nobody makes bulk hydrogen by electrolyzing water. It's a good way to get small quantities of very pure hydrogen for laboratory use, on demand, but it is costly to do. Commercial bulk hydrogen is made by reforming methane, which is natural gas. In which case, for motor fuel, better just to burn liquefied natural gas, which is easier to handle. And there are trucks and buses on the road now that do just that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:52 PM (tkR6S)
Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (PMK/G)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (dKiJG)
I believe the trendy term would be "Conflict Hydrogen".
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (BkkSs)
Posted by: runner
If only my wife would learn to shut her yap, she wouldn't have to get slapped around so much.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (C2ZTD)
A pebble nuclear reactor.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: butch at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (cHvOo)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:54 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (eoQWY)
Concur. Taking a train thru Gary, Indiana, I saw things.
Reminded me of Beirut in the 70's or Detroit in the 2000's.
The horror, the horror...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (R/m4+)
And its not really better in Europe. I took the Fast train from London to Paris once, then had to cut short vacation and visit a distributor near Cologne, Germany. That train was almost as fast, but it left me short of the destination near the Dutch border. Trying to find a way from there to London was just impossible - options were back to Paris, then back to London, or some crazy layover in Brussles....eventually the solution was a drive to an airport in GE - an old NATO airbase - and a hop to London minor airport and a train into the city arriving after midnight.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:54 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (V13WU)
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Reduce ze surplus population.
Posted by: Your Buddy, Klaus at January 03, 2023 06:54 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:54 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: butch at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (cHvOo)
Dirty little secret = ALL charging degrades battery life.
Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (gmo/4)
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Looks like I lost count somewhere and bypassed Strike 4. Never mind
There's plenty more ......
Posted by: Ciampino --- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: Ciampino --- that is insider something at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (mnUzy)
Look I think Electric Vehicles are cool and I wish they were better than they are. They might, some day, (I don't think so but maybe) be actually viable. The problem is not the technology or the idea of electric cars.
The problem is the push, the subsidy, the nonsense, the lies. The problem is the reason WHY they push EVs as someone noted above.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (C2ZTD)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (T/vhV)
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (Eeb9P)
Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (PMK/G)
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I've heard people like you described as "range-obsessed Americans".
Chill the range-obsession, guy.
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (z7W9M)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (1BLGl)
Ummm, so you have a high-voltage circuit set up charging a bunch of lithium batteries, and you're going to DOUSE IT IN WATER?
Hoo boy....
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (sE2Ux)
Hoo boy....
Hot times...
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (1BLGl)
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I'm pretty sure the faster you charge the longer the charge is retained--until you blow the battery up, that is.
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (krQz2)
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And quick-charging is even worse.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (Vwz3I)
Posted by: JQ at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (o0Fxd)
Chill the range-obsession, guy.
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (krQz2)
Like many Americans I find it comforting to know I can get the hell away from things if all hell breaks loose.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (gmo/4)
Hoo boy....
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (sE2Ux)
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Good catch. I missed that.
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (krQz2)
Decide if you are going to use gaseous or liquid hydrogen.
- Liquefying hydrogen is energy-intensive and maintaining it liquid also energy-intensive (Strike 1).
- Energy Density is not favorable compared to petroleum (Strike 2).
- Extremely flammable. Explosion during a fire is almost guaranteed. (Strike 3)
- Many metals become brittle (Strike 5).
- Many materials including metals are semi-porous to hydrogen = leaks (Strike 6)
- Getting hydrogen from LPG or methane or water is energy-intensive (Strike 7)
There's plenty more ......
Posted by: Ciampino --- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (qfLjt)
I got someone here going a year or two ago when I stated that a gallon of gasoline contains more hydrogen atoms than a gallon of liquid hydrogen. Look it up. It is a fact.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (tkR6S)
It's okay. It'll be petroleum, not actor's paint. So not racist.
Whoops. I gave away my delicate race.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (xrgxr)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (C2ZTD)
Posted by: JQ at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (o0Fxd)
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Only with an Elon-car.
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (krQz2)
Could be a riot
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (C2ZTD)
- efficiency loss in generating: vote harder for democrats
- small enough to leak through anything: double wall everything - see Hanford.
- degrades steel: pfft, use double wall PVC pipes.
- High cost to convert back to electricity: piss off and your math too.
- low energy density: add flour.
- and safety issues: totally worth it because climate change.
If you use a word processor to engineer solutions these problems are easy peasy to solve.
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (c7ca9)
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (Eeb9P)
So in the optimal case geography wise, you are doubling or tripling the peak use of the grid for charging cars which is going to require hella infrastructure.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (eoQWY)
Not that you're in the wrong place to ask that, but it might fit in better over at the InstaSewer. Those geezers will man-euver Medicaid buy them one just so they can slam the window on it. Then complain because Certain People's is still bigger...
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (jYCXf)
Sitting ducks for gang activity.
--
And for some nefarious and enterprising rapists or murderers if a young woman is alone waiting, waiting, waiting for her car to be charged.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (sVtYq)
We have zero under construction
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (BRHaw)
"No. For the charging station. Do you have anything from 6:30-7:00?"
"We'll pencil you in... We recommend showing up 60 to 90 minutes before your appointment."
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (Sv58p)
Posted by: free tibet at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (DQlPT)
Could never solve the radiation problem.
Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (gmo/4)
Repo Man was a Documentary!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (Eeb9P)
The Dems/progs have turned any attempt to count costs as some sort of mental defect.
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (krQz2)
Hmm, the internet says the Tesla Model 3 battery capacity is anywhere from 50 - 80 kW-hr. So, you're gonna charge that in 30 minutes. That's a base rate of 100kW right there. That doesn't take into account efficiency, which drops to about 50% or worse during very fast charging. So double that.
200kW. And solar panels are gonna provide that? And that's just for one car. We are talking a multi-megawatt installation to do that.
Which is going to be wasting about half that output power as heat into the damn batteries, which has to be carried away by coolant, running pumps and fans.
This doesn't add up in the least.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (Mzdiz)
Not that you're in the wrong place to ask that, but it might fit in better over at the InstaSewer. Those geezers will man-euver Medicaid buy them one just so they can slam the window on it. Then complain because Certain People's is still bigger...
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (jYCXf)
Water Charged Penis Pump > All Other Penis Pumps
HydroMax FTW!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (R/m4+)
But to convert to EV, we would have to double our generating capacity. It will not do anything until we have fully converted our existing capacity to "green" energy, as well as all the additional. Until then, any marginal increase in demand is an increase in gas and coal consumption. How does that help?
Forget about how inefficient, expensive, environmentally destructive (mining,) and inconvenient (charging, range) it all is. Forget about how we use more energy making the damn things than it would ever save.
Even forget about the fact that they are only cheaper per mile due to subsidies and missing road taxes. Once people go to stations like the above, the cost of EV will be 2x that of gas, and once the electricity comes from wind/solar it will be 4x more expensive to run EV, minimum. Forget the cost, there is NO green benefit until the ENTIRE grid is green.
Posted by: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (4QPsz)
You know, there wasn't any "crucial" when gasoline dispensing stations were popping up across America. It was pure opportunity - people getting gas from somewhere other than home was something they'd be willing to pay for, so "HEY! Let's build one!" And that was based on a real "explosive growth" of a market. Not on the Davos sorts taxing you to provide slightly better off people a subsidy to buy the vehicles.
Egad, the propaganda and manipulation is so obvious, but so many won't see it - because their priests and prophets (media and 'experts') tell them to close their eyes.
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (sE2Ux)
Cheap American live action knock-off of a 1980s anime OVA called California Crisis
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (Vwz3I)
OK!
"During most of the T's production run, its 10 US gal (38 l; 8 imp gal) fuel tank was mounted to the frame beneath the front seat. Because Ford relied on gravity to feed fuel to the carburetor rather than a fuel pump, a Model T could not climb a steep hill when the fuel level was low. The immediate solution was to [n]climb steep hills in reverse."
That's funny ! that horseless POS will never take off ! Going backward up a hill indeed ! too funny !
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (V13WU)
And the whole rest of the automobile is hardly worth that new. Yeah that's another step in the "you don't get to have a car" plan, or as they would put it! "You'll own nothing and like it!" Plan.
Automobiles will only be leased, never sold. So you getting your hands on a car will be subject to being able to obtain a lease agreement. And your continued use of it subject to the continued lease agreement, whatever that looks like in the future, likely T&Cs like "operation further than 100 miles needs to be pre approved by the office of approval denial" and "social credit score must be maintained greater than 95" with "Failure to comply, may result in l immediate lease termination and remote vehicle disabling"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (T/vhV)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:03 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:03 PM (xhxe8)
What if Shell still drilled for petrochemicals, but then burned the oil for energy that is delivered to their charging stations? Is that allowed? They can still pass on the costs of drilling and overhead onto their customers, but hide the costs behind the "charging fees." (Will any of that be subject to federal or state taxation? How will the feds grift off this?)
Oil comes from dead dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are animals. Therefore, vegans can't drive.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at January 03, 2023 07:03 PM (9uCBG)
Well, there kinda is. But it requires a large nuclear electrical grid, everywhere.
Or, Mr Fusion under your hood. Which is what all of these dreams rely on, while not having the actual necessaries to carry them out.
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:03 PM (sE2Ux)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at January 03, 2023 07:04 PM (UQUAY)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:04 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (Y+l9t)
.......
Good thing my brother bought a Chevy Bolt instead.
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:04 PM (v0R5T)
Automobiles will only be leased, never sold.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (T/vhV)
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Rented or signed-out under the socialist-like community sharing plan.
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:04 PM (krQz2)
"No. For the charging station. Do you have anything from 6:30-7:00?"
"We'll pencil you in... We recommend showing up 60 to 90 minutes before your appointment."
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (Sv58p)
++++
As ridiculous as that sounds, I can actually see this as the reality.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (qW3gD)
Hydrogen is an awesome fuel, it just needs the right stabilizer. Like long chains of carbon with sufficient oxygen atoms.
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (dNNCD)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (up/3i)
Posted by: PabloD at January 03, 2023 07:06 PM (A2wR+)
The Speedster was good for 60. The regular model could only do 40-45, but it would do it across an open field without pavement. Could cross a ditch by tortioning 90 degrees in the middle. Try that in a f@gmobile.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:06 PM (jYCXf)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:06 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:06 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:06 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: JT at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (T4tVD)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (1BLGl)
At no extra charge!
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (eoQWY)
At that point, a retrofit with a Trabant engine and transmission makes more sense.
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (hPvGe)
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 03, 2023 07:08 PM (TJjL2)
My Chevy Colorado has about a .5 MPG difference between 2 WD and on demand 4 WD.
But, with the truck as light as it is, and 310 HP, I like having the extra traction if I Gunz it.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (xhxe
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The Green New Deal said we should put them everywhere. So, that will solve the driving problem.
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (sVtYq)
.........
She was obviously asking for it.
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (BpYfr)
Soy-boys getting exercise? Sacre bleau!
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (+frZ/)
Connecticut is pretty much just throwing all of their "single stream" recycling stuff into the trash, yet they still charge you at the point of sale for cans and bottles.
It's a big scam and a tax that most people don't even try and get their money back from.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 03, 2023 07:10 PM (uNylN)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 03, 2023 07:10 PM (PY/t0)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:10 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (sVtYq)
.........
She was obviously asking for it.
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (v0R5T)
Since nobody can define a woman anymore she/xe/ve/ue is perfectly safe.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (eoQWY)
Aint no way in hell the few solar panels over a gas station, would produce enough energy to fast enough to charge multiple cars at once...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (sVtYq)
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That would never happen.
Posted by: The Guy Who Tells You It Will Never Happen at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (krQz2)
The battery is expensive, but a lot of the cost is removing the old batteries and disposing of them as well. There are big subsidies from the federal government to reduce that cost but its still going to cost 10+ thousand overall.
Remember, the batteries in an EV aren't in a corner, they're laid all across the chassis, so they have to literally lift the body of your car off the chassis and pull the batteries out, then because they are dangerous and made from nasty chemicals, carefully store and dispose of them. Its a big job that will cost you plenty.
And its every 8-10 years or less, depending on how much and how they are used. Not a lot of used EVs on the market because of this. Its like having your entire engine and drive train removed and replaced every decade or less.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (0hOvj)
I do not expect degraded persons to understand how these machines worked. They're not up to it.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (jYCXf)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:12 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:12 PM (xhxe8)
Yeah perfect, if you took like 8 carbon atoms and bound them to the hydrogen you could create a semi-volatile fuel that would largely remain liquid at room temperature, then you could atomize and burn the fuel through injectors, or if you needed greater simplicity you could evaporate the fuel into the incoming airstream using a barrel Venturi.
I'VE GOT IT! THE 21ST CENTURY FUEL. Since it has 8 carbon molecules let's call it octane. But we'll need a catchy trade name for the liquid fuel.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 07:12 PM (T/vhV)
At that point, a retrofit with a Trabant engine and transmission makes more sense.
Posted by: t-bird
Or light it on fire and film it for yooboob clicks...
Posted by: Hotel Coral Essex at January 03, 2023 07:13 PM (no3zH)
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:13 PM (c7ca9)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (0hOvj)
We develop software for analyzing xrays of cars to detect contraband, guns, drugs and the like for the border patrol. EV cars are almost opaque due to the density of the batteries.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:13 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (jYCXf)
I do not like your tone.
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 03, 2023 07:10 PM (PY/t0)
........
I drove my brother's Bolt. It was like a smartphone with wheels. Who needs to watch the road? Watch the dashboard display!
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 07:12 PM (T/vhV)
Gaia-soline. 100 percent green.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (Eeb9P)
$389... more than double what it was a couple years ago.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:15 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:15 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: pawn at January 03, 2023 07:15 PM (wsHtO)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:16 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (qH6FZ)
$389... more than double what it was a couple years ago.
Posted by: Romeo13
Not looking forward to the nat gas bill. It's been cold as shit here.
Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (ZEa+g)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (V13WU)
I've always been impressed at how the hand crank starter for cars REGULARLY beat the crap out of people, and the people of the time just shrugged and kept buying cars.
Those damn hand cranks broke people's arms, jaws, and tossed them around.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (eyxn4)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (D+F6R)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (oWBc3)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:16 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (1BLGl)
Its like those prop planes that had to crank the prop. People died sometimes starting them, too.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (ajIMS)
Oh, their children's futures are assured. It's all the peasants who will be suffering.
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (sE2Ux)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (yQpMk)
First, there isn't enough rare earth material to replace the billion or so ICE cars with EV's.
Second, so-called, "Green Energy," is inefficient, intermittent and does not scale.
Third, as your intermittent energy increases, it must be back-stopped by a reliable form of energy.
This is just the scratching the surface with this nonsense.
It's all so stupid.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:19 PM (up/3i)
Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (qW3gD)
I hit 4 8's on video poker for $65.50 on the way home from work. Walked out with $90 trying to play it down to a round number. Pretty cool feeling to beat the odds.
Years ago when Slot Machines (coin slot) were not Slit Machines (Dollar slit only, no coin) I turned my last quarter into $1000 at a convenience store. Slot machines were a way to get your change as you left the store. There are very few of them left. I miss those days.There is little to compare the sound of $400 in Quarters or $800 in silver dollars hitting those tuned pans they used to have on them. Now you get a print out. Boring.
Posted by: Reforger at January 03, 2023 07:19 PM (MEjZ9)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (0hOvj)
There is a video on youboob of some guy hand cranking a Tiger tank.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:19 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 03, 2023 07:19 PM (Eeb9P)
Posted by: I guess I'll tell them at January 03, 2023 07:20 PM (vI2Go)
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (qH6FZ)
Battery changes will always be tricky because you can just plug in high voltage things like people think. People think working with electricity is like there consumer experience with household elec and AA batteries.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 03, 2023 07:20 PM (7cRTM)
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:20 PM (c7ca9)
Posted by: Nova local at January 03, 2023 07:20 PM (exHjb)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (7cRTM)
20 Tweets from Bad Blue
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (xhxe8)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (1BLGl)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (oHd/0)
........
That's why you have to put your hands in the air, spin around twice counterclockwise, and say a prayer to Jobu.
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (v0R5T)
Tell me the PTB aren't trying to build a hell on earth.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (P69fT)
Posted by: Axeman
In the ass station of the future, bathroom stalls will be equipped with gently chamfered glory holes.
Posted by: Hotel Coral Essex at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (no3zH)
Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (0OP+5)
The future ain't what it used to be.
Posted by: Javems at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (AmoqO)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (V13WU)
I await the "tone" on this.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (jYCXf)
Well heck, sign me up.
Posted by: bluebell at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (pTb/Z)
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Nova local
That's great news. Now I can post him to ask who he is. (Just kidding, he does look sort of familiar)
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:23 PM (dNNCD)
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should have taken it to the people , shone the proverbial light on the whole thing
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:23 PM (V13WU)
Did anybody ever stop an EV fire with eggs?
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:23 PM (jYCXf)
As I tirelessly point out, nearly every major car company on earth has poured massive investments into EVs and most are fully committed to stopping gas car production within the next 10 years. (Japanese car companies are the main outliers here, although they've kept their skepticism muted.) They are literally betting EVERYTHING on EVs and they DO NOT HAVE a backup plan if it all fails. They are NOT bluffing.
Yes, the market would naturally fix all this nonsense -- IF the market were allowed to operate more or less freely. But government mandates are making that impossible.
And we haven't even reached the "cash for clunkers" phase yet, when governments start bribing/bullying drivers of gas cars to sell them to the government to be destroyed, after which they'll give you "credits" to buy an EV. Mark my words, that's the next step, after mandatory new EV offerings "unexpectedly" fall short of sales targets.
Our rulers consider the EV project "too big to fail" and are quite prepared to have us endure incredible hardship to try and make it work; prepare accordingly.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at January 03, 2023 07:24 PM (XdH1u)
Basically their main revenue stream is figuring out what their customers want them to tell them to do, and bill a ton of money to tell them they should do it.
Shell CEO wants to flash it's greenie bonifieds, so they serve up a study showing how it will make tons of money and look cool too, and get the local gov to foot the bill. Just Dilbert+ grade stuff.
Posted by: Voyager at January 03, 2023 07:24 PM (kweZQ)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:24 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (lcQJG)
Like I said, Mr Fusion under the hood.
You get that worked out and I'll be an early adopter!
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:25 PM (sE2Ux)
Well heck, sign me up.
Posted by: bluebell at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (pTb/Z)
Can you really put a price on virtue signaling?
Posted by: A dude in MI at January 03, 2023 07:25 PM (/6GbT)
I await the "tone" on this.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (jYCXf)
My ex FiL buys/sells/manufactures T & A parts. 6 or 12V?
Probably $100-125ish, they should last forever - the pressure is much lower than regular fuel pumps.
Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at January 03, 2023 07:25 PM (zB/T/)
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (krQz2)
Yeah, I was surprised by that. That's the problem with playing nice with evil actors to hurt people you don't like. They never get tired of the control even when you've had enough.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (nC+QA)
Surprisingly, not that many people will actually take on the FBI, CIA, DOJ and half the political class.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (nC+QA)
There was a lefty that wrote about that. Name was Wells. And it involved the Eloi and the Morlocks....
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (sE2Ux)
ROth should have psoted on twitter: "The government is pressuring me to sensor certain individuals !" He wanted to appease.
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (V13WU)
Did anybody ever stop an EV fire with eggs?
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver
Have you checked the price of eggs lately? It would cheaper to let the EV burn to the ground.
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (c7ca9)
Posted by: A dude in MI at January 03, 2023 07:25 PM (/6GbT)
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Actually, I can! My price is $0. I'm a bargain.
Posted by: bluebell at January 03, 2023 07:27 PM (pTb/Z)
>>Our rulers consider the EV project "too big to fail" and are quite prepared to have us endure incredible hardship to try and make it work; prepare accordingly.
They will have to pry my dead cold hands off of my V8 Wrangler.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:27 PM (up/3i)
.......
They'll have to pry my '90 F350 from my cold dead hands.
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:27 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:27 PM (dNNCD)
https://youtu.be/CIWvk3gJ_7E
Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at January 03, 2023 07:27 PM (zB/T/)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (ZLI7S)
Can be done - they hate exposure. Even the little-list bit.
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:28 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (Vwz3I)
Or, you could, you know, just not insist that bodies be buried in metal-lined coffins designed to never biodegrade.
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:28 PM (sE2Ux)
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at January 03, 2023 07:28 PM (L43BE)
https://youtu.be/JnhWgQmRBMA
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (0hOvj)
I await the "tone" on this."
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (jYCXf)
No fuel pump, gravity feed.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (qH6FZ)
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: fd at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (iayUP)
Sure it can. But as history as shown it usually doesn't.
Look how many people are currently sitting in DC prison for trespassing.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 07:30 PM (ZLI7S)
Golly it's bad enough in a gas station.
Just not a place anyone wants to spend quality time. IFKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: Derak at January 03, 2023 07:30 PM (Av8cj)
Carjacking is an option and saves having to waste all day trying to charge an EV.
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (c7ca9)
Well be over just as soon as the truck is fully charged.
Posted by: pawn at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (wsHtO)
They're telling you what will be allowed in the future. You've got to start listening, though.
Posted by: Press Juan for English at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (+fJgE)
Its virtue signalling I think. Its easy to claim you're going to do something a decade away. But will they actually do it?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (0hOvj)
Posted by: Derak at January 03, 2023 07:30 PM (Av8cj)
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I don't know, I've heard their sushi is supposed to be good.
Posted by: bluebell at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (pTb/Z)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:32 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM
That is what will happen if these fvck sticks don't get their act together.
Meanwhile the democrats are just siting back rubbing their hands and laughing at the republicans who will not be able to accomplish one single thing for the next two years.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (uNylN)
Hilarious and it worked.
GM probably has had him eliminated.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (1BLGl)
I have a gas station burrito place near my home. The burrito place is "Burrito Perdido" and the gas part is Sunoco. So... I've never eaten there.
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (sE2Ux)
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Remember a year or so ago when the Supreme Court ruled that the EPA couldn't regulate CO2, so Congress passed a law saying the EPA could regulate CO2?
That's how it will be done. You can own the car, but you can't register or drive it.
Posted by: Press Juan for English at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (+fJgE)
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (xhxe8)
>>I am starting to think that GAetz is a poseur !
Probably.
With the exception of perhaps two in the Senate, five in the House and 1-1/2 Governors, they all suck.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (up/3i)
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (c7ca9)
"We literally just put out a fire this weekend! Give us time!"
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:34 PM (Sv58p)
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (Vwz3I)
Or, you could, you know, just not insist that bodies be buried in metal-lined coffins designed to never biodegrade.
Posted by: GWB
Serve them as a meal and turn them into compost.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at January 03, 2023 07:34 PM (9uCBG)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:34 PM (0hOvj)
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They start out hamstrung since Mitch passed the continuing resolution or whatever to span the next year.
The new House will have one year or so of financial oversight.
Posted by: Press Juan for English at January 03, 2023 07:34 PM (+fJgE)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:35 PM (V13WU)
https://youtu.be/JnhWgQmRBMA
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (0hOvj)
I was noticing that trend a couple of years ago. Several people I know IRL were transitioning from selling an *actual* product or service to selling "classes" about using the various platforms available for sales. I find it disturbing that this seems to be considered the winning path.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (nC+QA)
Posted by: Ex-liberal at January 03, 2023 07:24 PM (XdH1u)
Yeah, sell the shares, 'cause they gonna lose bigly.
In fact, they already losing bigly and many are already making big cuts to their EV programs.
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (MkuC5)
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If that's what you want to buy or can afford, fine.
Just don't make everyone buy gala coupe carriages.
Posted by: Press Juan for English at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (+fJgE)
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (v0R5T)
>>Well be over just as soon as the truck is fully charged.
Just as likely that it was their car that was on fire.
Dirty little secret of the the lithium battery world is that they burn, a lot. And they are very difficult to extinguish.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: Lost in Space
$9.60 18 count XL at Wal Mart.
Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at January 03, 2023 07:37 PM (9uCBG)
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:37 PM (c7ca9)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (yQpMk)
........
I know a guy who does ash dumping over the Monterey Bay.
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:38 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Polliwog
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This sort of thing has long been known in the book world. Books about how to write a book or get published are going to get you a book deal way before your fiction work will.
Posted by: Press Juan for English at January 03, 2023 07:38 PM (+fJgE)
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:39 PM (V13WU)
Posted by: Stacy0311
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The Buc-ee's in Cen TX now have Tesla supercharging stations. But still no solar. There were actually quite a few Tesla's charging up. But it's Buc-ee's and Tesla, 2 Texas companies so I won't snark too much...
Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:39 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (sVtYq)
Honestly, the laws that prevent you from doing almost that are just constant employment regulations for morticians and fancy casket makers. How many would bury Grandma next to Grandpa, then Mom and Dad, and on and on, on their own property if it were not regulated so heavily? And without an expensive casket to preserve them forever in their little tub-o-death?
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:39 PM (sE2Ux)
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:40 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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You can find the plans online from WWII era when fuel was rationed in the US. Look up Wood Gas Generator using search engines.
Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 07:40 PM (bDjBG)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (0hOvj)
Apparently CA's 'no old engines' law was actually enacted a decade ago and it went into effect yesterday. Unfortunately, assuming sanity will return in the interval between legislation and enforcement looks to be a losing bet.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 07:40 PM (nC+QA)
Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:41 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: Lost in Space
Ha. After establishing our coop and hens this year,
We're at $10. Per egg. I understand economies of scale, but..
I hope that happens before the cougar gets 'em.
Posted by: Derak at January 03, 2023 07:42 PM (Av8cj)
Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (lcQJG)
Like I said, Mr Fusion under the hood.
You get that worked out and I'll be an early adopter!
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:25 PM
Kamakiriad by Donald Fagan
Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 07:42 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: CppThis at January 03, 2023 07:42 PM (UewuT)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (P69fT)
Posted by: nogooddeed at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (BE1+B)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (up/3i)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (yQpMk)
The inflation reduction act at work.
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (c7ca9)
Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 07:40 PM (bDjBG)
If I remember right, that is what Eustace used or some german WW2 design.
Thanks whig!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (R/m4+)
We're about to find out. NY just legalized human composting.
https://tinyurl.com/4kvne36k
Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:44 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: Derak at January 03, 2023 07:42 PM (Av8cj)
Look, Mrs Johnson might be a divorcee, but hardly going to steal eggs and chickens
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:44 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: Derak at January 03, 2023 07:44 PM (Av8cj)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 03, 2023 07:45 PM (P69fT)
Sometimes I can post a complete treatise, sometimes I can't even post two sentences.
Weird.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:45 PM (up/3i)
Probably.
With the exception of perhaps two in the Senate, five in the House and 1-1/2 Governors, they all suck.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
Truth of the matter is that all politicians are poseurs by nature. Some are more useful than others though and anyone attacking the uniparty is an ally.
Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 07:45 PM (bDjBG)
It adds about 20 minutes to that lame store sauce, which you're pretty much using anyway to boil the water and cook the linguine.
You're welcome.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (oINRc)
Posted by: nogooddeed at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (BE1+B)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (P69fT)
Posted by: banana Dream at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (P69fT)
........
OMG WHATTAWEGONNADO WE ALL GONNA DIE
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (UUBmN)
Cheap and effective and lots of black smoke.
The greenies will go ballistic...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: lin-duh
I can envision the people that show up with the rides at state fairs adding that as an attraction. Anybody know what the appropriate swag prize for that would be?
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:47 PM (c7ca9)
Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:44 PM
In Texas you can just go out and pitch the body in a culvert and let the feral hogs take care of the burial.
They were constantly finding human remains when they were working on building the dam and bridges for the new lake near me.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 03, 2023 07:47 PM (uNylN)
>>Truth of the matter is that all politicians are poseurs by nature.
Undoubtedly, this is correct, but it just seems that our current crop literally does not give a flying f**k what the base thinks, about anything and aren't really making any effort to hide their contempt.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:47 PM (up/3i)
Posted by: nurse ratched, I wanna cookie, please. at January 03, 2023 07:48 PM (deIkU)
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:48 PM (xhxe8)
Sometimes I can post a complete treatise, sometimes I can't even post two sentences.
Weird.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Rules based on past troll infestations over time make things opaque. The limit on post limits came about from a deranged former commenter that liked to cut and paste the whole comment thread to the blog over and over again in every thread.
Others were based on the commercial low rent trolls tramps like Sarah, Tom, and so on trying to get some dimes to rub together.
Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 07:48 PM (bDjBG)
Posted by: Common Tater at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (kL9Oc)
Funny. I watched an episode of Adam-12 last night where they warned a young woman about that particular locale, "But it's daylight, and I'll only be a few minutes...". Then, later, they go back by there and the woman's car has the hood up, then the men "helping" her kidnap her. They disconnected her distributor cap while she was in there (after Reed and Malloy had left) then replaced it when they helped her "fix" her car.
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:48 PM (sE2Ux)
Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:44 PM (UUBmN)
THAT was *the majority* of the expense when John died. The permits to funeral homes in MO to pick up a body must be like taxi medallions in NYC.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 07:48 PM (nC+QA)
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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The only cure is as Madison said in the Federalist papers, Ambition must check ambition and the only way to do that is kill the uniparty.
Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 07:49 PM (bDjBG)
>>Rules based on past troll infestations over time make things opaque.
Yeah, that, but I think it's something to do with numbers and letters in a particular sequence or frequency.
Like I said, sometimes I can post long rants, sometimes I can't even post a sentence or two.
Odd.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:51 PM (up/3i)
Seeing all those plots must be kind of spooky for all the trespassers. "Su nombre aqui"
Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:55 PM (yZlY6)
Uhmmm also...anyone notice how tall the building on the right is? Half a day at MOST sunlight to those panels, anytime but the short summer months nearly none at all.
London averages(1990-2020) 1507 hours/annum of detectable sunshine, UK average is 1400hrs.(a year is 8760 hrs, daytime is most broadly 4380hrs, though much of that is dawn/dusk or quite dark.) London averages 1/4 of that"daylight" much of it in very brief periods.The scratch pad global solar calc is 7 hours of sun actually hitting panels a day, 4-5 1/2 of that is peak power (1000w/meter squared)....and is 50% less in the winter months
Posted by: birddog at January 03, 2023 07:55 PM (uAI4S)
You're not supposed to notice that. You're only supposed to notice ample parking, clean sidewalks, and ambient lighting.
I've been looking at a solar panel to provide a trickle charge to maintain a 12V mower battery. Uses about a square foot of space for 10 watts. Ten. At a trickle.
I'm sure the 144 sq ft awning panel will be plenty sufficient to quick-charge an entire bank of batteries. Maybe even enough left over to charge your phone and broil a steak.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 03, 2023 07:57 PM (aXxgO)
What sorcery is this?!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:57 PM (yQpMk)
What sorcery is this?!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:57 PM (yQpMk)
Clouds?
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 08:06 PM (eoQWY)
Posted by: birddog at January 03, 2023 08:51 PM (uAI4S)
Posted by: Tmitss at January 03, 2023 08:51 PM (KhTk+)
you are.
The Runner considers that a failing, for some reason.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 09:00 PM (jYCXf)
Those taxes, for the most part, go to pay for road construction and maintenance. Which is what they're supposed to be used for. Go figure.
How much are they taxing electricity to pay for roads? ZERO. Nothing. Nada.
So, if we go "all electric", the first thing they'll have to do is start taxing charging stations like this and that means that your cost to recharge your EV will have to increase by about 400%.
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Here's what I've been doing.. www.Payathome7.com
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