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"Perfessor" Squirrel Speaks Out!

On "The Gas Station of the Future"...

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Every once in a while, I come across an article that is just asking to be ripped to shreds. The stupid just drips off the page, deliciously ripe for mockery and derision. So, in the finest tradition of the Moron Horde, let's get to it! (NOTE: This entry may be a little heavy on the sarcasm...Don't say you haven't been warned!)

Today's entry is:

"This Shell station removed all of its gas pumps - now, it's being called the 'gas station of the future'" by Ben Stern

At the time of this writing, the story has 294 likes and 2016 dislikes, with 336 comments. The comments are just as brutal and savage as you would expect from the Moron Horde on our finest day.


Since the beginning of 2022, a Shell station in Fulham, England, has removed all of its gas pumps to instead offer rapid electric vehicle (EV) chargers for those who need to recharge, as reported by Bloomberg.

The awnings over each charger are equipped with solar panels and can fully charge a Tesla Model 3 in about a half-hour, costing around $39.

Admittedly, $39 doesn't sound too bad for a full charge on a vehicle. That's about what it would cost me right now to fill up my car with gas (2003 Nissan Sentra SE-R; gas is about $3/gal; around 13 gallon tank). Of course, it doesn't take 30 minutes to fill up my car with gas.

Do the solar panels have the capacity to continuously charge vehicles? At what latitudes and seasons can we expect those solar panels to be most efficient? What is the cost of maintaining/replacing those panels compared to maintaining fuel pumps? What happens when the sun goes down? Oh, wait...This station is in England and the sun never sets on the British Empire! Or is that colonialist?

Because charging EVs takes longer than pumping gas, the station offers more food and activities for customers while they wait. People charging their cars can get groceries, buy coffee, get their cars washed, or even take a breather in lounge chairs.

Guess what? People already have access to all of those amenities. There's a reason why you never see a gas station that only sells gas. It's because the "convenience store" model is far, far more profitable. You pay a premium on food, drink, and other amenities for the convenience. It may only take 5 minutes to fill up my gas tank, but if I'm on a long road trip (e.g., traveling to TXMOME), a 30-minute break to sit down and eat a meal can be rejuvenating. Oh, and can I get my car washed while it's charging? That should be fun!


Financially, gas providers like Shell building more gasless gas stations makes sense considering the explosive growth of the EV market. McKinsey & Co. found that installing these nonfuel stations may represent a several billion-dollar opportunity for suppliers.

Now I'm confused. I thought earning profits was wrong...Or is it only profits from evil petrochemicals? So Shell is allowed to earn massive profits from selling electricity, but not petroleum byproducts? What "suppliers" are being referenced here? Are THEY allowed to earn massive profits? Why? Does ALL the electricity come from solar power? Or does Shell still need to find a reliable supply of electricity for their charging stations? Here's an idea! What if Shell still drilled for petrochemicals, but then burned the oil for energy that is delivered to their charging stations? Is that allowed? They can still pass on the costs of drilling and overhead onto their customers, but hide the costs behind the "charging fees." (Will any of that be subject to federal or state taxation? How will the feds grift off this?)


Shell currently is the largest gas retailer in the world with tens of thousands of stations across the globe. So it has the immense potential to prevent the burning of its own planet-overheating dirty energy sources by erecting more of these gasless gas stations.

You still haven't answered the question about where Shell is going to get all of the electrons they need to provide electricity. And of course, as has been well-documented, the massive amount of materials required for the manufacture and disposal of electric vehicles is an incredible environmental disaster, all of which requires tremendous energy as well. (Where does THAT energy come from?)


It's crucial that energy companies build a lot more of these chic refueling stations to help charge EVs. This London station is an example of what our future could look like.

I love how Ben uses the word "chic" to describe these refueling stations. One definition for "chic" as an adjective is "currently fashionable." That gives the game away right there. The author *knows* that there is no rational argument for worldwide electric vehicle charging stations. The economics simply don't support this model. It's a virtue signal that only the "cool kids" will be using EVs while us deplorables out here in flyover country still rely on ICE (*yuck!*).

As I mentioned at the beginning, the commenters are positively, brutally, *savage* in tearing apart this fool's article. Yet tomorrow or next week, this man--I'm assuming his gender here though the jury is still out until he produces his Man card--will write another stupid, puerile article espousing the glories of his Leftist religion...*sigh*

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1 Hi perfesser

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at January 03, 2023 06:00 PM (Wy1BU)

2 Howdy

Posted by: zombie Nelson Rockefeller at January 03, 2023 06:00 PM (CCSxw)

3 Of course the gas will be $10 a gal and have electricity for EVs

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:01 PM (xhxe8)

4 Nipped by an uppity wench...

I forgot to change my sock as well.

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at January 03, 2023 06:02 PM (CCSxw)

5 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 03, 2023 06:02 PM (T4tVD)

6 Shell game.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at January 03, 2023 06:02 PM (goJt/)

7 Good evening everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:03 PM (qoGsy)

8 I used to be excited about the future. Now it looks pretty grim.

Posted by: kathysaysso at January 03, 2023 06:03 PM (m78jL)

9 I bet Garret would enjoy those station even more if they were painted pink.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (u4CEu)

10 considering the explosive growth of the EV market.
____

Is explosive the adjective they should be going with, considering the battery spontaneous combustion issues?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (fs1hN)

11 Cruelty is, of course, reserved for the Laird of the Blog.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (a3Q+t)

12 used to be excited about the future. Now it looks pretty grim.
Posted by: kathysaysso

Not the Jetson's future I was looking forward to.

Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (ZEa+g)

13 I used to be excited about the future. Now it looks pretty grim.
Posted by: kathysaysso at January 03, 2023 06:03 PM (m78jL)
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That's what you get when The Powers That Be rely on dystopian fiction as an instruction manual than the warning it was intended to be...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (BpYfr)

14 "Because charging EVs takes longer than pumping gas, the station offers more food and activities for customers while they wait. People charging their cars can get groceries, buy coffee, get their cars washed, or even take a breather in lounge chairs."


And there you have it. People going there to charge their cars are spending tons more $$$$$ while they wait for their cars to charge. Typically in the US gas stations only made a penny or two on each gallon of gas sold. This place is making more money than a regular gas station just by selling food and trinkets to people who are forced to wait for their cars to charge.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (uNylN)

15 The stupid - it's burns.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (qoGsy)

16 The future ain't bright, better ditch those shades.

Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (0OP+5)

17 Solar power in bloody England? Not likely in about 80 percent of the year in 80 percent of the country.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:06 PM (eoQWY)

18 Solar power in bloody England? Not likely in about 80 percent of the year in 80 percent of the country.
Posted by: Oldcat

Noticed that too didya?

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:06 PM (qoGsy)

19 I'll believe it's the "Gas station of the future" when Buc-ee's has 120 EV charging stations

Posted by: Stacy0311 at January 03, 2023 06:07 PM (VfLe7)

20 Have link up
Shouldn't it be the Gasless Station?

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:07 PM (xhxe8)

21 Can customers buy a virtue signal at this station? I'm thinking something like the bat signal.

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 03, 2023 06:07 PM (eGTCV)

22 And there you have it. People going there to charge their cars are spending tons more $$$$$ while they wait for their cars to charge. Typically in the US gas stations only made a penny or two on each gallon of gas sold. This place is making more money than a regular gas station just by selling food and trinkets to people who are forced to wait for their cars to charge.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (uNylN)

What happens if they don't buy anything but the charge. If I'm spending time I can't afford by force, I'm not inclined to buy pop-tarts to keep them afloat.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:07 PM (eoQWY)

23 Cruelty is, of course, reserved for the Laird of the Blog.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (a3Q+t)
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Ace cruelty is best cruelty, but when the Laird is away from his Manor, why can't we minions have some fun?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:08 PM (BpYfr)

24 I'll believe it's the "Gas station of the future" when Buc-ee's has 120 EV charging stations
Posted by: Stacy0311

If Buc-ee's added a pool and rooms to rent folks would never leave.

"To hell with the trip! Let's stay here!!"

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:08 PM (qoGsy)

25 Ass-station.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:08 PM (Vwz3I)

26 Comrade is good place to up social score for food and heat. Oh the future is going to be glorious comrades, GLORIOUS!!!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (u4CEu)

27 14 "Because charging EVs takes longer than pumping gas, the station offers more food and activities for customers while they wait.
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WAIT. Wait.

Posted by: Braenyard's phone at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (tOXH0)

28 The greens have no clue about energy. I'm admittedly an amateur but the lack of the rare earth metals here in the US, a lithium mine voted down in Maine and one being fought in Nevada, as well as cobalt being mined by child slaves demonstrates that they are absolute fools who are to stupid to realize they're destroying their own and their children's futures

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (ajIMS)

29 Ass-station.
Posted by: andycanuck

"Yoo Hoo!!!"

Posted by: Veep Throat at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (qoGsy)

30 In truck stops of the future Glory Holes will be square.

Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (lcQJG)

31 Are the chargers going to be supplied by room temp fusion generators or perpetual motion devices?

Posted by: Roy at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (rqgpJ)

32 27 14 "Because charging EVs takes longer than pumping gas, the station offers more food and activities for customers while they wait.
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WAIT. Wait.

Posted by: Braenyard's phone at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (tOXH0)

Slots and video poker.

Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (qW3gD)

33 Needs some of those Japan style cubby berths to catch a nap or a quickie while you wait for a charge.

And a garden spigot to hose off with afterwards.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (+L+7J)

34 Looks like about a dozen parking spots, maybe? All in use for half an hour or more for charging plus 'amenity'. That's a pretty low rate of cars to keep this place alive.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (eoQWY)

35

Solar and wind are for chumps.

What we need are giant, slave powered, hamster wheels. Turning endlessly, day and night. A bit rough on the slaves, but you can always get more of 'em...

Posted by: Some Dude at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (36iDf)

36 The future is so dark, I have ta wear shades.

Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (gmo/4)

37 I removed my dick, and now I'm the woman of the future!

Posted by: Bruce "Caitlin" Jenner at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (O2PCU)

38 Ass station
Posted by andycanuck

Now that's my kind of transportation - Pete Buttigieg

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (ajIMS)

39 Financially, gas providers like Shell building more gasless gas stations makes sense considering the explosive growth of the EV market.

LOL explosion they are what, 10% of the market? You're exploding yourself into a collapse, Shell. The gaslighting going on about EVs is baffling to me

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (0hOvj)

40 Is there an attached brothel?

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (eGTCV)

41 35

Solar and wind are for chumps.

What we need are giant, slave powered, hamster wheels. Turning endlessly, day and night. A bit rough on the slaves, but you can always get more of 'em...
Posted by: Some Dude at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (36iDf)

Slaves would be glad for a break from the rare earth mines.

Posted by: Roy at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (rqgpJ)

42 When the bathrooms are out of order they will have Port-O Bidets.

Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (lcQJG)

43 you'll definitely want an ev when you can no longer find a gas punch

Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (kFrCu)

44 Might as well go full service restaurant for the time a EV takes to charge

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:12 PM (xhxe8)

45 They need a $10 environmental charge just to plug in the EV.

Goes to some politician's friends and relatives to study climate change. Thousands of jobs. U.S. Dept of Climate.

DON'T DOUBT ME

Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (+frZ/)

46 "Because charging EVs takes longer than pumping gas, the station offers more food and activities for customers while they wait."


Happy ending round eye.


Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (gmo/4)

47
Slots and video poker.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (qW3gD)

Even if that works, the car is still taking up the space another car could use for charging.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (eoQWY)

48 Get all your buddies to take half an hour filling up at your local gas station and see what that does to traffic.

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (yZlY6)

49 > If Buc-ee's added a pool and rooms to rent folks would never leave.

"To hell with the trip! Let's stay here!!"
_________

*snorts*

Honestly... they opened the first one here in Kentucky (Richmond, south of Lexington) and we made a day trip out of going over there to check it out. Like 75 miles one way. It was glorious.

All gas/diesel... no fake EV shit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (Q4IgG)

50 Newest Twitter drop has started:

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/
1610394209302847488

Only up to #8 so far.
https://tinyurl.com/3ekztd52

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (Vwz3I)

51 me at 43: gas pump. tired

Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (kFrCu)

52 This is like shutting down your computer shop to start up for Macs. ITS THE FUTURE! No, its a tiny slice of the market.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (0hOvj)

53 31 Are the chargers going to be supplied by room temp fusion generators or perpetual motion devices?
Posted by: Roy

Hamsters on treadmills. Pixy had foresight to use that the power the AOS blog in the 00's.

Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (bDjBG)

54 Chef of the Future was more fun and believable

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (ajIMS)

55 Is Shell still owned by the Dutch? Because that would explain a lot.


Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (gmo/4)

56 I question the wisdom of washing your car while it's plugged into a high voltage charger. But okay, sure.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (YJwUM)

57 What we need are giant, slave powered, hamster wheels. Turning endlessly, day and night. A bit rough on the slaves, but you can always get more of 'em...
Posted by: Some Dude at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (36iDf)

Fan of "Metropolis", are you?

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (wE246)

58 Current gas stations are bereft of conveniences because we spend all that "extra time" not-charging in our Own. Fucking. Homes.

Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (lcQJG)

59 What we need are giant, slave powered, hamster wheels. Turning endlessly, day and night. A bit rough on the slaves, but you can always get more of 'em...
Posted by: Some Dude

Hmmmm.

A thousand mile wide treadmill on the southern border.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (+L+7J)

60 This is like shutting down your computer shop to start up for Macs. ITS THE FUTURE! No, its a tiny slice of the market.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:13 PM (0hOvj)

And there's no room at your store for the other 90 pct. So everyone will go to the one that gives an option for both, and this brand will die.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:14 PM (eoQWY)

61 Yeah the dozen charging slots, you're really expecting a boom here LOL. You can get away with eight gas pumps because it takes maybe 5 minutes for the entire transaction. But recharging? Either you expect huge lines or know you won't have many customers.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:15 PM (0hOvj)

62 I want cigarette girls on roller skates. With space-man themed mini skirts.

Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:15 PM (lcQJG)

63 London sits at 51.5 degrees N. Almost exactly the same as my home in Alberta. Sitting those solar panels nearly flat on canopies over the car stalls about guarantees that they will only put out about half their rated power, even in full sunshine. Solar panels are expensive. Installing them in such a way as to render them half-useless is insane. It's just expensive virtue-signaling.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:15 PM (tkR6S)

64 Injured Buffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin organized a toy drive to buy toys for children. The original goal was $2500. As of this writing, the amount raised is closing in on $5,000,000
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This is one of the reasons I always loved America. And at an impressionable age, finding out how much more charitable Righty individuals were than Lefties was a fucking eye opener.

I had been told my whole life how "good and decent" liberals were and how selfish and evil Republicans were.

Maybe God won't forsake this country after all. What the fuck else is there on earth?

Posted by: ... at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (z0uzK)

65 They're going to chop you up like a ramp worker for an airline and put it into a biodigester to spin a gas fired generator. To charge your EV.
Pictures of the deceased will be on the charger LCD.

Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (+frZ/)

66
How long does it take to recharge an electric penis pump? Asking for a friend ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (pNxlR)

67 How many miles do they get from a $39 charge? Do they have to go every day, once a week, twice a week?
No mention of that.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (Y+l9t)

68 EV owners love hanging with fellow EV folk. It is like church for them, all wokey and stuff. They hang around and wallow in their electric virtue.

Posted by: Evi L. Bloggerlady at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (8yM+6)

69 Not the Jetson's future I was looking forward to.
Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (ZEa+g)

The future sure ain't what it used to be.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:16 PM (tkR6S)

70 They won't send me to re educational camp. My spelling is terrible so they won't even bother.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (9iJdI)

71 Wanna see a "true believer" in electric cars head explode. Ask them what year electric cars made up the largest percentage of cars on the road. You'll find that it was around 1905 at about a third of all cars on the road at that time.

Then ask them with such a large market share and technology that was decades more mature than internal combustion why were electric cars extinct by 1920.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (T/vhV)

72 Even those old glorious full service stations where this warm of teenagers with matching uniforms come out to check your oil, tires, wash your windows, etc... still less than 10 minutes to get out.

That's half as long as the "SUPER FAST" chargers which are -- hint -- not that fast because your batteries start losing efficiency the first time you fire up the motors.

And yes, gas engines do that too but not as great a rate, and you still refuel an old clunker in 5 minutes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (0hOvj)

73 No more Congress until Damar is back on the gridiron.

Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (+frZ/)

74
No mention of that.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)


No matter - your personal strategic reserve of chic will ALWAYS be full!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (pNxlR)

75 The real question is.

When these companies write off R&D and depreciation on these new investments, will the Left bitch about "subsidies" to the green movement like they do for exploration and drilling?

Posted by: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at January 03, 2023 06:17 PM (4QPsz)

76 How many miles do they get from a $39 charge? Do they have to go every day, once a week, twice a week?

If its freezing cold? Several times a day.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:18 PM (0hOvj)

77 The future that widespread EV usage will bring, in terms of energy price at the charging points, how and how much taxation, and well, pretty much all of it, is unknowable at this time.

The only knowable part is that EV owners and operators will have to pay a lot more per mile than they are paying today.

Posted by: Gref at January 03, 2023 06:19 PM (AMIL/)

78 Well, in CO, plastic bags have been determined to be evil, so we now have to pay 10 cents for every plastic AND PAPER bag. Its almost as if its just a new tax.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 03, 2023 06:19 PM (8GBH4)

79 I'm waiting for Compost-Powered vehicles.

Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (lcQJG)

80 Perfesser, this post ties in with my comment yesterday about the world running on magic. For the author of the article that seems to be exactly how he "understands" the world he lives in. He has absolutely no grasp of what it takes so that when he flips a wall switch a light comes on, he just knows it does and believes it will always be that way.

The magic failing, or as Emmie pointed out to me being *killed*, is simply not on his mental horizon at all. We are in the early, but too late to fix, stages of a cascade failure and people like him will be caught entirely off guard. Making it easy for the evil to trick the frightened and bewildered into giving up whatever remains in the hope of returning to the paradise that was life just a couple of years before.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (nC+QA)

81 Unless it's a Buc-ees, I don't want to waste thirty minutes hanging out at a filling station convenience store.

Posted by: Lee Also at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (YPgjG)

82 I can't imagine -- I really can't -- imagine how much time people are going to be wasting overall while sitting around waiting for these glorious EV cars to charge. It's simply not a feasible way of life, not matter how much wishcasting is thrown at it.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (sVtYq)

83 When cars were not slowed by dirt pot holed roads, horses, 5mph speed limits, cars didn't have to deal with wind resistance. So electric cars could compete.plus gas engines in Model T days got lousy gas mileage even with only the driver.

Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (+frZ/)

84 They should put in stalls where you can rent a sex doll while you are waiting.

Posted by: Guy who would rent a sex doll at a gas station at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (iayUP)

85 I'm waiting for Compost-Powered vehicles.

Use human composting!

https://tinyurl.com/pz9m4kf6

New York became the sixth state to legalize the practice of composting human remains

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (0hOvj)

86 How do you heat the car during an emergency? Might loose some kids but remember, you do this for some other kids.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (9iJdI)

87 As soon as I saw the word "chic" I had the same reaction as you, Perfessor.

Posted by: Flyover at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (Rbu5d)

88 Everyone knows Buc'ees is the gas station of the future.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (C2ZTD)

89 Not the Jetson's future I was looking forward to.
Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (ZEa+g)

Judy is now older than Jane was back then.

Posted by: Inigio Montoya at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (fCn4f)

90 I'm waiting for Compost-Powered vehicles.
========
"New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (Vwz3I)

91 "How do you heat the car during an emergency? Might loose some kids but remember, you do this for some other kids."

You shelter (die) in place.

Posted by: The State at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (lcQJG)

92 Not the Jetson's future I was looking forward to.
Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (ZEa+g)

The only Jetson's future I got was a dog named Tralfaz (Astro's original name). My Tralfaz was a Yorkie/Chihuahua mix and not a great dane.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (PX01u)

93 Injured Buffalo Bills player Damar Hamlin organized a toy drive to buy toys for children. The original goal was $2500. As of this writing, the amount raised is closing in on $5,000,000
--------------------------

This is one of the reasons I always loved America. And at an impressionable age, finding out how much more charitable Righty individuals were than Lefties was a fucking eye opener.

-------------------------

I was watching the game through a streamer, Tom Grossi, who is a Packers fan but does national games - just showing the score, and describing the game - He was pretty early in finding the site and steering the thousands of viewers he has to donate there and spread the word. By the end of the night his regulars and the sites he spread the word to had gotten the total to a million.

He has another fun tradition that when halftime comes he finds a small streamer site, just a few guys/gals and has his posse "raid" them with chat messages, even some donations and subs to make a big spike in their viewership. It can be pretty funny watching them wonder what is happening before someone explains in chat.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (eoQWY)

94 It's simply not a feasible way of life, not matter how much wishcasting is thrown at it.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (sVtYq)

The problem is they're not just gonna cast wishes at it, but laws. Just like the headache mercury bulbs.

Posted by: ... at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (z0uzK)

95 How many miles do they get from a $39 charge? Do they have to go every day, once a week, twice a week?

If its freezing cold? Several times a day.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
See, that's what they never talk about when comparing costs. Oh, a charge only costs $39 just like filling your gas tank. But I can go 300 miles at ,east, regardless of how hot or cold it is on that $39. How far can they go?
And what if they want to go for a hike in the country and there aren't any charging stations?
When your car stops , it stops. No matter where.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (Y+l9t)

96 I'd switch to horse and buggy before I'd switch to electric.

Although I've really always wanted an ostrich-drawn rickshaw.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (BkkSs)

97 So a single lane will only do 2 cars/hour? And those cars will probably only get a couple of hundred miles on that charge? A single lane at Bucees probably does 3-4 cars/hour on a typical weekend and those cars are going 350+ miles.

Better be a shitload of new 'gas stations' and spaced every hundred miles or so. How very eco friendly.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (TgNpw)

98 They should put in stalls where you can rent a sex doll while you are waiting.
Posted by: Guy who would rent a sex doll at a gas station at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (iayUP)
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"Fuc-ee's"

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (BpYfr)

99 Just think about EV's coming to a stop on 110 degree LA freeway jams. Air conditioner will drain battery sitting there. Nobody can bring you a can of electric. You will die. Same in winter in snowstorm.

Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (+frZ/)

100 Listen. The Ag industry gets very wealthy turning oil and gas (diesel and fertilizer) into ethanol. We all pay for this as it makes oil, food, land, and energy more expensive, makes us more dependent on foreign supplies, and destroys the environment with no net reduction in fossil fuel use.

So why is it wrong for the auto industry to do the same?
Convert diesel and gas running mining equipment and electricity generators into a replacement for fossil fuel with no net reduction, massive increases in costs to middle and working classes, and destruction of environment.

They have a case example of the grift. It works.
(Now should I do medical industry,....)

Posted by: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (4QPsz)

101 This needs a squirrel in a purple pimp hat

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (pyVNc)

102 If there are no gas pumps, is it still a gas station?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (C2ZTD)

103 They should put in stalls where you can rent a sex doll while you are waiting.
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Ass-station©®.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (Vwz3I)

104 It would be interesting to find out how many of those people who died in their cars in Buffalo weee in electric cars.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (Y+l9t)

105 Is explosive the adjective they should be going with, considering the battery spontaneous combustion issues?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 03, 2023 06:04 PM (fs1hN)

Lol, good point. I was thinking that the growth of anything starting at near zero is "explosive". For a time Klinzai (sp?) was the fastest growing language in the world, and yet it is anything but ubiquitous a couple of decades later.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (nC+QA)

106 Looks like about a dozen parking spots, maybe? All in use for half an hour or more for charging plus 'amenity'. That's a pretty low rate of cars to keep this place alive.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (eoQWY)

And you notice it's all angle parking. Drive in, back out. Going to be a lot of petty fender-benders, which will further tie up progress. And if it takes a half hour to charge (which is a flat-out lie), then ONE charger can charge 48 cars per day, assuming zero time spent on the in/out (hint, it's not zero). One gasoline pump can fuel about 12 cars per hour. How long will it take until the station recoups its investment in the charger?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (tkR6S)

107 "New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."

Funeral homes are doing that for free I'm sure because it uses minimal resources and is green.

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (eGTCV)

108 Their religion is worthy of being mocked.

Posted by: NR Pax at January 03, 2023 06:25 PM (Z7Jj3)

109 84 They should put in stalls where you can rent a sex doll while you are waiting.

Posted by: Guy who would rent a sex doll at a gas station at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (iayUP)
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Eewww! You don't know who has been in that doll!

Posted by: Ciampino - that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:26 PM (qfLjt)

110 This needs a squirrel in a purple pimp hat
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (pyVNc)
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That's reserved strictly for Books By Morons!

(Though I did consider posting a pic of a squirrel reading in my library chair.)

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:26 PM (BpYfr)

111 Bye bye Miss American Pie...

Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 06:26 PM (0OP+5)

112 Because charging EVs takes longer than pumping gas, the station offers more food and activities for customers while they wait. People charging their cars can get groceries, buy coffee, get their cars washed, or even take a breather in lounge chairs.

do they have pinball?

asking for a friend.

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 03, 2023 06:26 PM (v3pYe)

113 EVs, like passenger rail, will only ever work in Europa because the Europeans use us for defense. Their governments can subsidize EV's and passenger rail.

Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:27 PM (gmo/4)

114 They should put in stalls where you can rent a sex doll while you are waiting.
Posted by: Guy who would rent a sex doll at a gas station at January 03, 2023 06:21 PM (iayUP)
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"Fuc-ee's"

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Ok, I just almost spit my food out. LOL

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 06:27 PM (sVtYq)

115 um, I betcha that the solar panels are just greenwash and contribute almost nothing to the vehicle charging ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 03, 2023 06:27 PM (fxj5q)

116 If there are no gas pumps it can't be honestly called a gas station unless they also serve burritos.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (1BLGl)

117 "New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."

Funeral homes are doing that for free I'm sure because it uses minimal resources and is green.
Posted by: N.Lurker at January 03, 2023 06:24 PM (eGTCV)
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I don't have an issue with that..."From the dust we came, to the dust we return" and all that...Humans have been doing that for thousands of years.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (BpYfr)

118 Right, it's 30 minutes once you get to the charging station but nothing about how long you have to wait until you get there. Do they line up? If so, how do you get out of your car to enjoy the amenities.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (Y+l9t)

119 All of the Twitter drop:
https://tinyurl.com/yntxdrp5

Also as a regular 'unrolled' webpage:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/
1610394324788994048.html

https://tinyurl.com/yevufzuv

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (Vwz3I)

120 "New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."
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The Chinese are already doing that. You don't even have to wait until you're dead.

Posted by: ... at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (z0uzK)

121 You will still have people who pull up, go inside, fuck around, pre pay, then come out and plug in.

Or fully charge, then go inside and shop.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (C2ZTD)

122 Sex dolls at a service station.

Perfect sense. And perfect job for all the fired Twitterati, sex doll cleaners.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (1BLGl)

123 See, that's what they never talk about when comparing costs. Oh, a charge only costs $39 just like filling your gas tank. But I can go 300 miles at ,east, regardless of how hot or cold it is on that $39. How far can they go?
And what if they want to go for a hike in the country and there aren't any charging stations?
When your car stops , it stops. No matter where.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (Y+l9t)

+++
When you fill up your car with gas, you do have the assurance and confidence about how many miles you'll get out of the tank. No real worries in that regard. I can't imagine driving around with iffy approximations, all depending on the weather, etc. I really could not live like that.

Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (qW3gD)

124 Looks like about a dozen parking spots, maybe? All in use for half an hour or more for charging plus 'amenity'.

Imagine one of these at an airport where you're getting charged short-term parking on top of the electric bill.

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (dNNCD)

125 The dystopian has been most of my life.

There was still a lot of the "can do" optimism and better things for better living through chemistry (du pont) kind of zeitgeist in the culture, a general optomistic view of the future and technology, and rising standards of living for everyone through free markets.

It was shut off like a light switch. All of a sudden, everything we did was wrong, and government seemed to treat us as the enemy, if not outright overtly, but at least in effect.

In hindsight it was painfully obvious they set about destroying the family with incentives and punishments while at the same time de-industrializing our manufacturing centers, and running numerous psy-ops against or through the popular culture. The "counter culture" and drugs, feminism, and as always, stupid foreign wars.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (kL9Oc)

126 New York State going fully Soylent Green compliant?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (1BLGl)

127 i wonder how many solar panels you need to charge one ev. probably just a couple.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:30 PM (kFrCu)

128 Vaccines, batteries, eat bugs and kill more babies.
I'm The Big Guy and I approve this message.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:30 PM (9iJdI)

129 Nobody can bring you a can of electric. You will die. Same in winter in snowstorm.

Excellent.

Posted by: The WEF at January 03, 2023 06:30 PM (Xrfse)

130 How long will it take until the station recoups its investment in the charger?

A long time I gotta guess. All those "free" charging stations aren't free any longer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:30 PM (0hOvj)

131 Almost four months after getting shipment notice, figure kit from E2046 in Hong Kong finally arrives on door step.

Talk about a slow boat from China.

And they want feedback... bwahahaha.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:31 PM (1BLGl)

132 Definition of quisling is an oil company that turns on its customer base.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 03, 2023 06:31 PM (oWBc3)

133 When you fill up your car with gas, you do have the assurance and confidence about how many miles you'll get out of the tank. No real worries in that regard. I can't imagine driving around with iffy approximations, all depending on the weather, etc. I really could not live like that.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:29 PM (qW3gD)

What irks me is that the hybrid is a *better* model - smaller batteries, reliable gas as backup stretched and made efficient using electrical tech, but requires no new infrastructure to support.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:31 PM (eoQWY)

134 re 120: but you can still probably vote in brooklyn

Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:31 PM (kFrCu)

135 Battery-powered cars are yet another step on the road to serfdom. Current futuristic, luxury sedans, trucks, and sportscar travel will promptly be replaced by tiny, eco-carts which will then be replaced by battery-boards as the materials needed for such design for masses of people disappear. The raw metals simply don't exist nevermind the energy/effort/waste required to harvest them from Earth.

But the trajectory to removing independence from citizens will speed like lightning as nations convert modes of transport. The trains will always run on time, but now with the remaining batteries.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 03, 2023 06:31 PM (aXxgO)

136 Vidkund Quisling has nothing on these traitors.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (1BLGl)

137 You will still have people who pull up, go inside, fuck around, pre pay, then come out and plug in.

Or fully charge, then go inside and shop.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Ask Robert about this - it's seen every day at truck fueling stations.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (qoGsy)

138 You need a bunch of solar panels to charge an EV. Probably all the panels on that station wouldn't fast charge one even on the best day.

It's stupid and it can't work and it won't work. Reality will eventually intercede.

Posted by: fd at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (iayUP)

139
"New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."

Funeral homes are doing that for free I'm sure because it uses minimal resources and is green.
Posted by: N.Lurker


We're ready to roll.

Posted by: Soylent Corp. at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (63Dwl)

140 Because charging EVs takes longer than pumping gas, the station offers more food and activities for customers while they wait.

Maybe nine holes of golf, catch a movie?

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (hPvGe)

141 re 132: like petco, we only sell all natural pet food.

which my cat won't eat and costs twice as much.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (kFrCu)

142 And again, the "range" on the vehicle is estimated based on an empty car on a flat plane with no counter winds etc.

Now, MPG estimates for cars are the same way, which is why you never get as much from your car as the sticker claims. But the difference is very significant. Put four people in the Prius and you get 60% of the range, but only a few MPG less in a gasser.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (0hOvj)

143 sex doll cleaners

Is there a newsletter?

Posted by: Sandra Flook at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (Xrfse)

144 Amish or Mennonite living is looking more and more appealing.

Horse and buggy. No getting put into foreign wars. No LGBTQ stuff. Raise your own meat and veg. No government tracking you on the internet. Maidens churning butter.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (BkkSs)

145 California stopped a small subsidy for recyclers of CRV deposit can and plastic. so they're dropping like flies. California keeps the deposit. Recycling goes to landfill.

Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (+frZ/)

146 um, I betcha that the solar panels are just greenwash and contribute almost nothing to the vehicle charging ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at January 03, 2023 06:27 PM (fxj5q)

That's exactly right. If solar cells were that powerful, why would they not put them right on the cars?

Wait, one outfit is doing that, but it's every bit as much a scam as this "gas" station.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (tkR6S)

147 No real worries in that regard. I can't imagine driving around with iffy approximations, all depending on the weather, etc. I really could not live like that.

Plus, we still have a few bugs to work out.

Posted by: Gov't Kill Switch at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (hPvGe)

148 "New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."

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Skip the middleman. Just chunk Grandma out into the backyard. She'll eventually decompose on her own, and feed the vultures in the process. The circle of life!

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (sVtYq)

149
Since these are fast chargers you only get to 80% charge then it goes into "trickle charge" which will take hours to get to 100% charge.
Also continuous fast charging shortens battery life.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (t6XCL)

150 What irks me is that the hybrid is a *better* model

A car more like a diesel electric train seems wise to me, if you go electric at all.

But Hydrogen seems like an even better model. And its even more efficient than gasoline, because gas burns up most of its energy in heat.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (0hOvj)

151 "As I mentioned at the beginning, the commenters are positively, brutally, *savage* in tearing apart this fool's article."

I couldn't find any comments.
Also solar powered so no charging at night? If they use mains electricity, how is this obtained? Coal? Gas? Nuclear?

Posted by: Ciampino -- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (qfLjt)

152 remember, no one needs a car when you and not john kerry can take the bus.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (kFrCu)

153 Maidens churning butter.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger

A new euphemism to add to the AoS stylebook?

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (qoGsy)

154 Bet the sushi sucks.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (anj39)

155 "Maybe nine holes of golf, catch a movie?
Posted by: t-bird "

Maybe just catch one hole, or perhaps two or three.

Posted by: Guy who would rent a sex doll at a gas station at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (iayUP)

156 California stopped a small subsidy for recyclers of CRV deposit can and plastic. so they're dropping like flies. California keeps the deposit. Recycling goes to landfill.
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (+frZ/)

I've been watching them dump all the cans in the same truck since they started with the colored dumpsters..

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (eoQWY)

157 Why do people fly instead of a train that will cost much less?
If just getting there is cheapest no matter time used everyone should.
But time is money they say so fastest wins.

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (xhxe8)

158 re 151: easy, they just turn the solar panels the other way.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (kFrCu)

159 Bet the sushi sucks.

The Vomitorii out front should have told you...

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (1BLGl)

160 But Hydrogen seems like an even better model. And its even more efficient than gasoline, because gas burns up most of its energy in heat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (0hOvj)

Still requires a parallel 'filling station' model that needs to be developed.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (eoQWY)

161 It's stupid and it can't work and it won't work. Reality will eventually intercede.
Posted by: fd at January 03, 2023 06:32 PM (iayUP)
****
Sure it's stupid but that free government money isn't going to lay around forever.

Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (+frZ/)

162 That's exactly right. If solar cells were that powerful, why would they not put them right on the cars?

Wait, one outfit is doing that, but it's every bit as much a scam as this "gas" station.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (tkR6S)
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I was wondering the same thing. The university where I work participates in solar car challenges. Those are specially designed vehicles to harness as much sunlight as possible to achieve maximum performance. They are *very* different than your standard sedan, SUV, or pickup truck. Not at all ready for primetime.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (BpYfr)

163 If only Joe Xiden had not got himself banned, he could explain the deep stirring in his loins this Shell station provokes.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (ppBhU)

164 Pretty sure they didn't feel it necessary to outlaw horses prior to the gasoline engine taking center stage, this happened naturally.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 03, 2023 06:36 PM (kL9Oc)

165 Because charging EVs takes longer than pumping gas, the station offers more food and activities for customers while they wait. People charging their cars can get groceries, buy coffee, get their cars washed, or even take a breather in lounge chairs.
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Can we get a number on "longer"?

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:37 PM (krQz2)

166 No need for sex dolls to pass the time. As soon as you enter one of these facilities, you're getting fvcked.

Posted by: JTB at January 03, 2023 06:37 PM (7EjX1)

167 Cross-country in an EV makes the train seem fast.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:37 PM (1BLGl)

168 The sushi is next to the used sex dolls and dick pills.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 03, 2023 06:37 PM (lYbrt)

169 I just waiting for the law requiring 30 minutes downtime after refueling for ICE cars effectively eliminating their advantage in this area.

They will justify it because Gaia.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:37 PM (T/vhV)

170 in the future , they will be teams of illegals on the open road

ready to push you to the next charging station

if they don't rob and kill you first

Posted by: REDACTED at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (us2H3)

171 Why do people fly instead of a train that will cost much less?
If just getting there is cheapest no matter time used everyone should.
But time is money they say so fastest wins.
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:35 PM (xhxe

Because it didn't cost much less, and took ages longer. When I tried to take a train from St Louis to Cincy one year in college, the only route went through Chicago. That's double the distance. And it had a day 'layover'.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (eoQWY)

172 There it is again: the reason to select this blog. Slice like a hammer distillation of policy:

128 Vaccines, batteries, eat bugs and kill more babies.
I'm The Big Guy and I approve this message.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:30 PM (9iJdI)

Posted by: Holy Crap at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (glGDV)

173 Why do people fly instead of a train that will cost much less?

No homeless on a plane or loitering around the airport. And your car's safe.

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (Sv58p)

174 I was full of hydrogen.

Posted by: Hindenburg Dirigible at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (+frZ/)

175 @mtaibbi

27.They also received an astonishing variety of requests from officials asking for individuals they didn't like to be banned. Here, the office for Democrat and House Intel Committee chief Adam Schiff asks Twitter to ban journalist Paul Sperry

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (ZLI7S)

176 How about fights over the one charging station that actually works?

Posted by: Ziba at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (4h9M3)

177
Get all your buddies to take half an hour filling up at your local gas station and see what that does to traffic.
Posted by: t-bird


A great way to get into a shouting match with some random stranger is to dilly-dally around with your car sitting in front of a gas pump when the station is busy.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (n+4am)

178 I couldn't find any comments.
Also solar powered so no charging at night? If they use mains electricity, how is this obtained? Coal? Gas? Nuclear?
Posted by: Ciampino -- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (qfLjt)
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There's a "Comments" button at the top of the article, next to the author's name. Not sure how well it works on a mobile device, but in my browser on a desktop it pops open a side panel where you can read the comments.

Their savagery pales in comparison to the Moron Horde, but they are still quite fun to read!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (BpYfr)

179 Still requires a parallel 'filling station' model that needs to be developed.

Yeah, there is a network of hydrogen filling stations but very few in each state. Maybe if the federal government would stop fixating on EVs and stop pouring so much money into subsidies and tax breaks, there could be some real competition.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (0hOvj)

180 Well they did try to hobble the nascent gas car industry by requiring cars go only as fast as a horse and oh yeah having a guy walk in front with a lantern to warn people and horses that a horseless carriage is approaching.

"The Sheriff is near!" has nothing on that last requirement.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (1BLGl)

181 "Thank you for calling Shell. How can I help you?"

"I'd like to make reservations for tomorrow night."

"Okay sir, how many will be dining in your party?"

"No. For the charging station. Do you have anything from 6:30-7:00?"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 03, 2023 06:39 PM (BkkSs)

182 If you thought snakes on a plane was bad wait until you see them slithering on the train at the station.

Posted by: Snakes On A Plane at January 03, 2023 06:40 PM (+frZ/)

183 But Hydrogen seems like an even better model. And its even more efficient than gasoline, because gas burns up most of its energy in heat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Hydrogen can't be stored. NOTHING stops it leaking from anything.

Posted by: MkY at January 03, 2023 06:40 PM (cPGH3)

184 RE that specific Shell promo: The gas station has 11 spots, only 3 of which are in use? And it takes about half-an-hour to charge up?

My local gas stations are always at 80%+ capacity and it only takes about five minutes to fill up an ICE.

Every one of the EV stations should not only be filled, but there should be a pretty decent queue waiting to get in. I mean if they're trying to represent a scintilla of a semi-real situation.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 03, 2023 06:40 PM (aXxgO)

185 @ the invisible hand can't compete with the boot on the neck

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 03, 2023 06:41 PM (oWBc3)

186 Every once in great while see a hydrogen power truck, wonder how that works

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:41 PM (xhxe8)

187 Just read that Twitter feed someone posted above. It is unbelievable. Every major agency in the country from DOJ and Senators to individual field offices were pouring in requests to Twitter to ban accounts. So many different agencies, they were fighting over who had priority. The reason they had to lay Twitte 3 million dollars was because Twitter was spending all their time responding to Government requests.
This is not an exaggeration.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:41 PM (Y+l9t)

188 Hydrogen can't be stored. NOTHING stops it leaking from anything.
Posted by: MkY at January 03, 2023 06:40 PM (cPGH3)

It even leaks from EARTH. Our gravity can't keep it from escaping into outer space eventually.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:41 PM (eoQWY)

189 But Hydrogen seems like an even better model. And its even more efficient than gasoline, because gas burns up most of its energy in heat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (0hOvj)

Hydrogen is a terrible choice. The energy density is appallingly low, and there are no hydrogen wells, nor will there ever be. You have to make hydrogen by adding energy to some substance that contains it. Gasoline exists as a component of crude oil, and the energy needed to refine it from the crude comes from the crude.

The best way to store and handle hydrogen is to pack it into a lattice of carbon atoms. Nature already does this for us.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:41 PM (tkR6S)

190 The biggest problem with the "gas station of the future" is the logistics.

At an average refuling time of 5-7 minutes, a current 8 pump gas station can refill between 80-100 vehicles an hour. At a refueling time of 30-40 minutes to refuel, an electric gas station can refuel 12-16 vehicles per hour.

You will need refueling stations the size of wal-mart parking lots in order to keep up with demand, and a power source equivalent to a 600MW nuclear power plant to handle the electrical draw.

Posted by: Mirror Universe Phill Collins at January 03, 2023 06:42 PM (xk3M4)

191 ...or even take a breather in lounge chairs...

With the promise of self-driving cars and modern upholstery what do people need a "breather" from?

How is sitting on your ass in a car so exhausting?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 03, 2023 06:42 PM (3hSHB)

192 EVs are proof that people are malleable, stupid and have an innate ability to waste their money.

Plus, "convenience" stores are the watering holes of crackheads, meth maniacs and those looking for crap to stick in their pie holes. Avoid going inside them as your chance to be raped, robbed or get a case of exploding diarrhea go up dramatically.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 06:42 PM (R/m4+)

193 Hydrogen can't be stored. NOTHING stops it leaking from anything.
Posted by: MkY at January 03, 2023 06:40 PM (cPGH3)

There is no hydrogen. It has to be made. By putting more energy into making it then you get out of it.

I think I see a problem.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 03, 2023 06:42 PM (7cRTM)

194 178 I couldn't find any comments.
Also solar powered so no charging at night? If they use mains electricity, how is this obtained? Coal? Gas? Nuclear?
Posted by: Ciampino -- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (qfLjt)
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the wind still blows at night

sometimes

Posted by: REDACTED at January 03, 2023 06:42 PM (us2H3)

195 Self driving cars and sex dolls...

The front seat goes back to being a bench seat.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (1BLGl)

196 Fueling up with gasoline is already quite sketchy at some particular locations "even" in broad daylight. Great way to robbed, carjacked, gut shot by the usual suspects.

Imagine the Bonanza of having potential victims electrically stranded for a half hour at a pop, or sometimes for up to 1 or 2 hours. Cha-ching!

Posted by: Common Tater at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (kL9Oc)

197 if you're not going too far, taking amtrak can be easier than dealing with getting to/from the airport, etc

Posted by: gnats local 678 at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (kFrCu)

198 Some of my cow-workers have electrics.

They have to charge them all day while working, and there was a mini scandal when someone unplugged someone else to take the charging spot...

Out of the ones I know personally they ALL have another ICE car, generally the spouse's, which they use for trips that aren't just local.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (lc5cP)

199 Remember the goal here isn't electric cars. That's just the means. The goal here is no car for the masses. They want owning a car to follow the Soviet model: Rare and privileged. Electric cars is how they get there.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (T/vhV)

200 Rattlesnakes were biting people getting in their cars after work at Aerojet. Now we're going to give the snakes a vector with all the mice and rats eating the food trash dumped on the ground at the EV charging stations. people are pics.

Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (+frZ/)

201 Because it didn't cost much less, and took ages longer. When I tried to take a train from St Louis to Cincy one year in college, the only route went through Chicago. That's double the distance. And it had a day 'layover'.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:38 PM (eoQWY)

There is an advantage to a train trip - you can stand up and walk about to the dining car or restroom or even noodle around. A disadvantage in cities is you see the unsightly dumpster area of every building in town as you come through.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (eoQWY)

202 Hydrogen can't be stored. NOTHING stops it leaking from anything.

I don't know how they do it with hydrogen stations. The biggest drawback to hydrogen is that it takes more energy to gather (separate from water usually) than it gives. Until someone can come up with a real way to harvest hydrogen in large quantities cheaply, its not a real replacement for gasoline.

But compared to EVs, its a much better option: it fills fast, burns clean, gives plenty of power, and doesn't lose power in cold.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (0hOvj)

203 So like pretty much all modern environmental laws this move to EVs is just to make driving less pleasant and more work.

Who has time to spend 30m at an EV charging station a couple of times a week?

Remember the people that tried to drive cross country in an EV and they spent more time charging then driving?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (lc5cP)

204 Just read that Twitter feed someone posted above.
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Thanks, Sharon!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (Vwz3I)

205 If there are no gas pumps, is it still a gas station?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:23 PM (C2ZTD)
.......

Do they sell sushi?

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (v0R5T)

206 Charging a dead EV with a std 16guage extension cord at your house will cost $100 and take 40 hours.

Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (+frZ/)

207 Those solar panels aren't keeping the soda cold or the chips hot.

Posted by: DaveA at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (FhXTo)

208 f you're not going too far, taking amtrak can be easier than dealing with getting to/from the airport, etc
Posted by: gnats local 678

When I went to the COMOME in Denver, I took the train from WCO.

Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (ZEa+g)

209 They'll sell burritos instead

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (1BLGl)

210 'Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.'

Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (0OP+5)

211 Remember the goal here isn't electric cars. That's just the means. The goal here is no car for the masses. They want owning a car to follow the Soviet model: Rare and privileged. Electric cars is how they get there.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (T/vhV)

If they start to make it work, the first thing to go is going to be them and their elite areas. They won't be able to pretend regular people don't exist any more when we all shuffle to the same corner market for overpriced food.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (eoQWY)

212 Did anyone see the new video on the Ford lightning? What a waste garbage. Gets cold and can't even hold a charge

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (dKiJG)

213 In other important news:
Gay adult film performer Shawn Paul Bertrand Jr., a.k.a. Shawn Wolfe, dead at 35

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (v0R5T)

214 EV are stupid shit birds for even more stupid shit birds that own them. Extra credit: now try to charge your vehicle when pulling a trailer in that station; I hope you survive being murdered for blocking a whole bank of chargers because they don't support pulling in with a trailer. In an article comment some shit bird asserted you needed a bed and nap every 300 miles so who cares if charging takes 6 weeks. - that is utterly stupid and written by somebody that lives in Queens, NY whose idea of a journey taking a long weekend to drive Long Island. Try living in the Southwest where 300 miles is the equivalent of driving across the street; a five minute fill up and be gone is a mandatory requirement. EVs have their place and that place for the foreseeable future is in a therapist's parking lot or the bottom of the ocean.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (c7ca9)

215 "The Gas Station of the Future"
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Subtitle: The Future SUCKS!

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (krQz2)

216 DOJ, DHS, FBI, Senators, all the way down to individual field offices badgering Twitter day and night to ban accounts they didn't like.
How is this not government censorship? And you know they were doing it to The rest of social media as well.
The FBI is still arresting people present on J6 even if they never entered the Capital. Two years later. Is it no wonde they can't stop a single Jihadi or mass shooter.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (Y+l9t)

217 156 California stopped a small subsidy for recyclers of CRV deposit can and plastic. so they're dropping like flies. California keeps the deposit. Recycling goes to landfill.
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (+frZ/)

+++
Well now, I have seen many times homeless people collecting plastic containers and cans and stuffing them in gigantic plastic bags to turn in for money. In a sense, they are keeping the streets debris free, like hyenas. So I guess now in California all of the garbage tossed out of cars will just sit there.

Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (qW3gD)

218 Remember the people that tried to drive cross country in an EV and they spent more time charging then driving?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2023 06:45 PM (lc5cP)

Think it took what, 25 days? And they had to route through the south, I think, since they could not physically find stations through the midwest and west.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (eoQWY)

219 Electrified bathrooms ?

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (V13WU)

220 McKinsey & Co., the people who brought you Mr. Bootyjudge, says these nonfuel stations may represent a several billion-dollar opportunity for suppliers. Run, suppliers, run!

Posted by: MikeG at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (VsUo2)

221 Personally I'm a proponent of the steam engine . Nothing like a Sunday Drive in the old Biscayne wagon with a cord of firewood in the back and the kids loading the Firebox then all I'll need to stop for is water toot toot Petticoat Junction

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (L43BE)

222 But conservatives are Nazis and fascists.

@elonmusk

US govt agency demanded suspension of 250k accounts, including journalists & Canadian officials!

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (ZLI7S)

223 "Bob! I see your loading up the coolers and the grill! You and the misses doing some tailgating before the game?"

"Nah, we're going to charge the car. Gonna meet a few friends there and cook some hot dogs and drinking a few brewskis. Wanna join us?"

"Nah, thanks for the invite. Last time we went the old lady got into it with one of the lot lizards and we couldn't leave for like 26 more minutes. Now we gotta go down to Walmart and charge up in the RV parking lot. There's another three hours outta my life. Y'all have fun."

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (BkkSs)

224 EV are stupid shit birds for even more stupid shit birds that own them. Extra credit: now try to charge your vehicle when pulling a trailer in that station; I hope you survive being murdered for blocking a whole bank of chargers because they don't support pulling in with a trailer.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 06:46 PM (c7ca9)
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Zat's sokay. You vill hown no trailers!

Posted by: Your Buddy, Klaus at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (krQz2)

225 They have to charge them all day while working, and there was a mini scandal when someone unplugged someone else to take the charging spot...
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Sheldon and Wolowitz??

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (Vwz3I)

226 Whose gonna wash clothes with no juice?
Gov go crazy and all cults become more attractive. Maybe some cult franchises.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (rEYaR)

227 Just got back from grocery shopping.
No eggs at any price to be had, not at Safeway, Grocery Outlet or Lucky.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (jTmQV)

228 Told before have worked at office complex that might have 2 or 3 chargers. Worked at Lincoln Financial on a Saturday and guy was all there sitting in car using charger

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (xhxe8)

229
In other important news:
Gay adult film performer Shawn Paul Bertrand Jr., a.k.a. Shawn Wolfe, dead at 35
Posted by: wth



So THAT'S what happened to garrett.

RIP

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (n+4am)

230 Sorry andycanuck. Was too lazy to go back and see where I got it. But thank you! Unbelievable. Wait, actually too believable.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (Y+l9t)

231 You can spend your solar cells power on electrolysis of water to get hydrogen. It's really expensive. But it's doable.

Ecoterrorists will love the explosion 💥.

Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (+frZ/)

232 "New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."


I think an average funeral costs something like $15,000 - I could be low. How much do you bet that a composting burial is cheaper? Not bloody likely, I'm guessing.

Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (gmo/4)

233 Have a water tank in the car, battery splits water into hydrogen and waste oxygen, burn the hydrogen in an engine which moves the car and recharges the battery. Exhaust water is condenssd back into the tank. It isn't a perpetual motion machine because the oxygen to burn comes out of the air. The oil companies don't want you to know this technology.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (C2ZTD)

234 A disadvantage in cities is you see the unsightly dumpster area of every building in town as you come through.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (eoQWY)

Concur. Taking a train thru Gary, Indiana, I saw things.

Reminded me of Beirut in the 70's or Detroit in the 2000's.

The horror, the horror...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (R/m4+)

235 The awnings over each charger are equipped with solar panels and can fully charge a Tesla Model 3 in about a half-hour, costing around $39.
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Wait. Elon's Nazi E-car?

How long to charge a non-Tesla? Which is the only thing a World Citizen should own!

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (krQz2)

236 sniffybigtoe: "There is no hydrogen. It has to be made. By putting more energy into making it then you get out of it..."

Thermodynamics are a bitch. Such a shame no one in government seems to have heard of it and only half can correctly add 2 + 2.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (aXxgO)

237 I have nothing against EVs. Tesla is what i am talking about. Looks extremely cool, and if I was in the market for that sort of thing, I'd get it. Just to try it out. It is still in the "early adoption" stage. But then who could have predicted 20 years ago that we would be talking with our thumbs ??

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (V13WU)

238 Just kidding, Sharon.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (Vwz3I)

239 What does the little square mean?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (Y+l9t)

240 >>So THAT'S what happened to garrett.

>>RIP

That's ridiculous. garrett isn't 35.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (ZLI7S)

241 New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."

That is stupid and complete waste of the existing resources. Just toss the dead in the street and let the rats recycle them.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (c7ca9)

242 I want the option of loading my dead carcass onto a trebuchet and being launched toward my enemies.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:50 PM (C2ZTD)

243 Hydrogen is the perfect fuel.
Except for
- efficiency loss in generating
- difficulty in storing as it is small enough to leak through anything
- difficulty in piping since it degrades steel
- high cost of fuel cells to convert back to electricity
- low energy density
- and safety issues.

other than that, it is perfect.

Posted by: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (4QPsz)

244 150 What irks me is that the hybrid is a *better* model

A car more like a diesel electric train seems wise to me, if you go electric at all.

But Hydrogen seems like an even better model. And its even more efficient than gasoline, because gas burns up most of its energy in heat.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (0hOvj)
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Hydrogen is a terrible fuel.
Decide if you are going to use gaseous or liquid hydrogen.
- Liquefying hydrogen is energy-intensive and maintaining it liquid also energy-intensive (Strike 1).
- Energy Density is not favorable compared to petroleum (Strike 2).
- Extremely flammable. Explosion during a fire is almost guaranteed. (Strike 3)
- Many metals become brittle (Strike 5).
- Many materials including metals are semi-porous to hydrogen = leaks (Strike 6)
- Getting hydrogen from LPG or methane or water is energy-intensive (Strike 7)
There's plenty more ......

Posted by: Ciampino --- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (qfLjt)

245 So THAT'S what happened to garrett.

RIP
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 03, 2023 06:48 PM (n+4am)
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Dead in his crocs.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (krQz2)

246 If those Clowns in the House don't get their act together, we will end up with Speaker Hakeem Jeffries.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (V13WU)

247 Serious, thank you. I ended up reading the whole thing. With Ace out for the time being, I probably would have missed it.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (Y+l9t)

248 >>>If they start to make it work, the first thing to go is going to be them and their elite areas.

Oh yes. It will be so fun to watch, and likely one of the only enjoyable things amount the fall of western civilization. It will be watching the vast number of useful idiots whom earnestly believe that they are members of the cook kids club, being told to eat crickets and wait for the EV Bus to lumber by with the rest of the ordinary folk, when they are not so politely informed by their masters that the regime is secure and the era of their usefulness has passed.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (T/vhV)

249 What about the African blood hydrogen mines?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:52 PM (C2ZTD)

250 Was just thinking about that the other day. Iowa enacted a $.05 deposit on cans and bottles.

In 1979. Seems to me they should have raised the deposit by now. Seeing people bring huge bags of dirty cans into a grocery store makes no sense, as they tend to attract vermin.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 03, 2023 06:52 PM (kL9Oc)

251 Garret croc'd?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:52 PM (1BLGl)

252 And that would piss off a lot of people who are not being paid 200k a year to do nothing of value.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:52 PM (V13WU)

253 I don't know how they do it with hydrogen stations. The biggest drawback to hydrogen is that it takes more energy to gather (separate from water usually) than it gives. Until someone can come up with a real way to harvest hydrogen in large quantities cheaply, its not a real replacement for gasoline.

But compared to EVs, its a much better option: it fills fast, burns clean, gives plenty of power, and doesn't lose power in cold.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (0hOvj)

Nobody makes bulk hydrogen by electrolyzing water. It's a good way to get small quantities of very pure hydrogen for laboratory use, on demand, but it is costly to do. Commercial bulk hydrogen is made by reforming methane, which is natural gas. In which case, for motor fuel, better just to burn liquefied natural gas, which is easier to handle. And there are trucks and buses on the road now that do just that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:52 PM (tkR6S)

254 Seems like everything I've read/seen shows a full charge, on average, works out to about 4.5 gallons of gas in terms of range (obv a generalization ) so maybe 120-145 miles, under optimal conditions. That's not a bargain even at Biden gas prices

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (PMK/G)

255 Now you can wait 30-45 minutes to be robbed and Stabbed in London and Your car won't get stolen In Philly you just get robbed and shot all while your car is charging

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (dKiJG)

256 What about the African blood hydrogen mines?

I believe the trendy term would be "Conflict Hydrogen".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (BkkSs)

257 246 If those Clowns in the House don't get their act together, we will end up with Speaker Hakeem Jeffries.
Posted by: runner

If only my wife would learn to shut her yap, she wouldn't have to get slapped around so much.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (C2ZTD)

258 The ultimate electric car that will never need refueling for TEN years!

A pebble nuclear reactor.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (1BLGl)

259 doesn't rapid recharging degrade battery life?

Posted by: butch at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (cHvOo)

260 energy suppliers should do their own research, their own studies

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:54 PM (V13WU)

261 A disadvantage in cities is you see the unsightly dumpster area of every building in town as you come through.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:44 PM (eoQWY)

Concur. Taking a train thru Gary, Indiana, I saw things.

Reminded me of Beirut in the 70's or Detroit in the 2000's.

The horror, the horror...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 06:49 PM (R/m4+)

And its not really better in Europe. I took the Fast train from London to Paris once, then had to cut short vacation and visit a distributor near Cologne, Germany. That train was almost as fast, but it left me short of the destination near the Dutch border. Trying to find a way from there to London was just impossible - options were back to Paris, then back to London, or some crazy layover in Brussles....eventually the solution was a drive to an airport in GE - an old NATO airbase - and a hop to London minor airport and a train into the city arriving after midnight.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:54 PM (eoQWY)

262 Electrified bathrooms ?
Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:47 PM (V13WU)
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Reduce ze surplus population.

Posted by: Your Buddy, Klaus at January 03, 2023 06:54 PM (krQz2)

263 So how much does a new EV battery pack cost?

Is it covered under warranty?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:54 PM (1BLGl)

264 doesn't rapid recharging degrade battery life?

Posted by: butch at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (cHvOo)


Dirty little secret = ALL charging degrades battery life.

Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (gmo/4)

265 244 150 What irks me is that the hybrid is a *better* model
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Looks like I lost count somewhere and bypassed Strike 4. Never mind
There's plenty more ......

Posted by: Ciampino --- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (qfLjt)

Posted by: Ciampino --- that is insider something at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (qfLjt)

266 Some of these gas stations with EV chargers are located in the ghetto in LA county. no way do I want to spend even 5 minutes there, never mind 30 minutes.

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (mnUzy)

267 LNG is a great choice for power yeah but its still gas and that horrifies the EV crowd.

Look I think Electric Vehicles are cool and I wish they were better than they are. They might, some day, (I don't think so but maybe) be actually viable. The problem is not the technology or the idea of electric cars.

The problem is the push, the subsidy, the nonsense, the lies. The problem is the reason WHY they push EVs as someone noted above.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (0hOvj)

268 I saw a bill for a replacement battery on a Chevy Volt that was $27000.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (Y+l9t)

269 100,000V, 5000A supercharging.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (C2ZTD)

270 I have seen videos of Hog Farmers that go off Grid because they use pig crap and power a Generator and Cars and Trucks, Just like MAD MAX

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (dKiJG)

271 >>>259 doesn't rapid recharging degrade battery life?

Some what's worse is partial charging.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (T/vhV)

272 From my humble abode in Queens, I am 90 minutes from just about every modern consumer good and service. Distance is 17 miles to west side Manhattan. EV's make some sense here as commuter cars and so there more and more Teslas on the road.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (Eeb9P)

273 Seems like everything I've read/seen shows a full charge, on average, works out to about 4.5 gallons of gas in terms of range (obv a generalization ) so maybe 120-145 miles, under optimal conditions. That's not a bargain even at Biden gas prices

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 03, 2023 06:53 PM (PMK/G)
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I've heard people like you described as "range-obsessed Americans".

Chill the range-obsession, guy.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (krQz2)

274 $39 to fully recharge the battery? $39 to fill your tank? Which is going to last longer, gas or electricity?

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (z7W9M)

275 100,000V, 5000A supercharging.

What is the price per pound for scrap copper?

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (1BLGl)

276 get their cars washed
Ummm, so you have a high-voltage circuit set up charging a bunch of lithium batteries, and you're going to DOUSE IT IN WATER?

Hoo boy....

Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (sE2Ux)

277 Ummm, so you have a high-voltage circuit set up charging a bunch of lithium batteries, and you're going to DOUSE IT IN WATER?

Hoo boy....


Hot times...

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (1BLGl)

278 doesn't rapid recharging degrade battery life?
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I'm pretty sure the faster you charge the longer the charge is retained--until you blow the battery up, that is.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (krQz2)

279 Dirty little secret = ALL charging degrades battery life.
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And quick-charging is even worse.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (Vwz3I)

280 Stuck for 1/2 hour charging. Hmm.

Sitting ducks for gang activity.

Posted by: JQ at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (o0Fxd)

281 I've heard people like you described as "range-obsessed Americans".

Chill the range-obsession, guy.
Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (krQz2)

Like many Americans I find it comforting to know I can get the hell away from things if all hell breaks loose.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (eoQWY)

282 GM made a prototype atomic car in the early 1960's.


Could never solve the radiation problem.

Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (gmo/4)

283 Ummm, so you have a high-voltage circuit set up charging a bunch of lithium batteries, and you're going to DOUSE IT IN WATER?

Hoo boy....
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (sE2Ux)
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Good catch. I missed that.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (krQz2)

284 Hydrogen is a terrible fuel.
Decide if you are going to use gaseous or liquid hydrogen.
- Liquefying hydrogen is energy-intensive and maintaining it liquid also energy-intensive (Strike 1).
- Energy Density is not favorable compared to petroleum (Strike 2).
- Extremely flammable. Explosion during a fire is almost guaranteed. (Strike 3)
- Many metals become brittle (Strike 5).
- Many materials including metals are semi-porous to hydrogen = leaks (Strike 6)
- Getting hydrogen from LPG or methane or water is energy-intensive (Strike 7)
There's plenty more ......
Posted by: Ciampino --- that's insider something at January 03, 2023 06:51 PM (qfLjt)

I got someone here going a year or two ago when I stated that a gallon of gasoline contains more hydrogen atoms than a gallon of liquid hydrogen. Look it up. It is a fact.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (tkR6S)

285 Just for that, tonight I'll bath in a bathtub full of warm petroleum.
It's okay. It'll be petroleum, not actor's paint. So not racist.
Whoops. I gave away my delicate race.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (xrgxr)

286 Ford model T weighed 1600 lbs. Just saying.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (V13WU)

287 Can you recharge in the rain?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (C2ZTD)

288 Stuck for 1/2 hour charging. Hmm.

Posted by: JQ at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (o0Fxd)
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Only with an Elon-car.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (krQz2)

289 Why not have a CRT Marxist as Speaker?
Could be a riot

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 06:59 PM (xhxe8)

290 FOrd model T top speed ? 40mph

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (V13WU)

291 Does charging in cold weather allow the battery to hold more because the electricity is colder?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (C2ZTD)

292 Hydrogen is the perfect fuel. Except for (with solutions)
- efficiency loss in generating: vote harder for democrats
- small enough to leak through anything: double wall everything - see Hanford.
- degrades steel: pfft, use double wall PVC pipes.
- High cost to convert back to electricity: piss off and your math too.
- low energy density: add flour.
- and safety issues: totally worth it because climate change.

If you use a word processor to engineer solutions these problems are easy peasy to solve.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (c7ca9)

293 From my humble abode in Queens, I am 90 minutes from just about every modern consumer good and service. Distance is 17 miles to west side Manhattan. EV's make some sense here as commuter cars and so there more and more Teslas on the road.
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 03, 2023 06:56 PM (Eeb9P)

So in the optimal case geography wise, you are doubling or tripling the peak use of the grid for charging cars which is going to require hella infrastructure.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (eoQWY)

294 @66 How long does it take to recharge an electric penis pump?

Not that you're in the wrong place to ask that, but it might fit in better over at the InstaSewer. Those geezers will man-euver Medicaid buy them one just so they can slam the window on it. Then complain because Certain People's is still bigger...

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (jYCXf)

295 Stuck for 1/2 hour charging. Hmm.

Sitting ducks for gang activity.

--

And for some nefarious and enterprising rapists or murderers if a young woman is alone waiting, waiting, waiting for her car to be charged.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (sVtYq)

296 We need 20 thats 10 plus 10 new NUKE plants to keep the grid running for the next 10 years with just population growth.

We have zero under construction

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (BRHaw)

297 "Okay sir, how many will be dining in your party?"

"No. For the charging station. Do you have anything from 6:30-7:00?"


"We'll pencil you in... We recommend showing up 60 to 90 minutes before your appointment."

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (Sv58p)

298 My 19 year old suv gets 20-21 mpg at 80 mph a on the highway. Only 500 miles per tank. Doesn't matter winter/summer. Much greener than any electric. Safer, too. A/c,heat, load doesn't matter. Still 20-21 mpg.

Posted by: free tibet at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (DQlPT)

299 282 GM made a prototype atomic car in the early 1960's.


Could never solve the radiation problem.
Posted by: Archer at January 03, 2023 06:58 PM (gmo/4)

Repo Man was a Documentary!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (PiwSw)

300 You want to see horrible? Drive I278, the BQE, through Brooklyn. Or ride the J train from Manhattan to Jamaica. NYC is a rusted bucket that still looks like a bucket because nothing touches it.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (Eeb9P)

301 Really the whole "range-obsessed" thing reminds me of Hochul asking Zeldin why he cares so much about street crime.

The Dems/progs have turned any attempt to count costs as some sort of mental defect.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (krQz2)

302
Hmm, the internet says the Tesla Model 3 battery capacity is anywhere from 50 - 80 kW-hr. So, you're gonna charge that in 30 minutes. That's a base rate of 100kW right there. That doesn't take into account efficiency, which drops to about 50% or worse during very fast charging. So double that.

200kW. And solar panels are gonna provide that? And that's just for one car. We are talking a multi-megawatt installation to do that.

Which is going to be wasting about half that output power as heat into the damn batteries, which has to be carried away by coolant, running pumps and fans.

This doesn't add up in the least.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (Mzdiz) at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (Mzdiz)

303 How long does it take to recharge an electric penis pump?
Not that you're in the wrong place to ask that, but it might fit in better over at the InstaSewer. Those geezers will man-euver Medicaid buy them one just so they can slam the window on it. Then complain because Certain People's is still bigger...
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (jYCXf)

Water Charged Penis Pump > All Other Penis Pumps

HydroMax FTW!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (R/m4+)

304 My favorite takedown of EV is that it only reduces "greenhouse" gases if the electricity is generated from solar or wind.

But to convert to EV, we would have to double our generating capacity. It will not do anything until we have fully converted our existing capacity to "green" energy, as well as all the additional. Until then, any marginal increase in demand is an increase in gas and coal consumption. How does that help?

Forget about how inefficient, expensive, environmentally destructive (mining,) and inconvenient (charging, range) it all is. Forget about how we use more energy making the damn things than it would ever save.

Even forget about the fact that they are only cheaper per mile due to subsidies and missing road taxes. Once people go to stations like the above, the cost of EV will be 2x that of gas, and once the electricity comes from wind/solar it will be 4x more expensive to run EV, minimum. Forget the cost, there is NO green benefit until the ENTIRE grid is green.

Posted by: Volodymyr Zelenskyy at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (4QPsz)

305 It's crucial that energy companies build a lot more of these chic refueling stations
You know, there wasn't any "crucial" when gasoline dispensing stations were popping up across America. It was pure opportunity - people getting gas from somewhere other than home was something they'd be willing to pay for, so "HEY! Let's build one!" And that was based on a real "explosive growth" of a market. Not on the Davos sorts taxing you to provide slightly better off people a subsidy to buy the vehicles.

Egad, the propaganda and manipulation is so obvious, but so many won't see it - because their priests and prophets (media and 'experts') tell them to close their eyes.

Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (sE2Ux)

306 Repo Man was a Documentary!

Cheap American live action knock-off of a 1980s anime OVA called California Crisis

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (1BLGl)

307 Can you recharge in the rain?
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Only in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (Vwz3I)

308 Who wants to hear about Ford model T engine ?

OK!

"During most of the T's production run, its 10 US gal (38 l; 8 imp gal) fuel tank was mounted to the frame beneath the front seat. Because Ford relied on gravity to feed fuel to the carburetor rather than a fuel pump, a Model T could not climb a steep hill when the fuel level was low. The immediate solution was to [n]climb steep hills in reverse."


That's funny ! that horseless POS will never take off ! Going backward up a hill indeed ! too funny !

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (V13WU)

309 >>> I saw a bill for a replacement battery on a Chevy Volt that was $27000.

And the whole rest of the automobile is hardly worth that new. Yeah that's another step in the "you don't get to have a car" plan, or as they would put it! "You'll own nothing and like it!" Plan.

Automobiles will only be leased, never sold. So you getting your hands on a car will be subject to being able to obtain a lease agreement. And your continued use of it subject to the continued lease agreement, whatever that looks like in the future, likely T&Cs like "operation further than 100 miles needs to be pre approved by the office of approval denial" and "social credit score must be maintained greater than 95" with "Failure to comply, may result in l immediate lease termination and remote vehicle disabling"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (T/vhV)

310 Just so you see the C Beams glitter

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:03 PM (1BLGl)

311 Rain I think but take it below freezing not so much

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:03 PM (xhxe8)

312 Whatta fucking day.


What if Shell still drilled for petrochemicals, but then burned the oil for energy that is delivered to their charging stations? Is that allowed? They can still pass on the costs of drilling and overhead onto their customers, but hide the costs behind the "charging fees." (Will any of that be subject to federal or state taxation? How will the feds grift off this?)

Oil comes from dead dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are animals. Therefore, vegans can't drive.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at January 03, 2023 07:03 PM (9uCBG)

313 there is no rational argument for worldwide electric vehicle charging stations
Well, there kinda is. But it requires a large nuclear electrical grid, everywhere.

Or, Mr Fusion under your hood. Which is what all of these dreams rely on, while not having the actual necessaries to carry them out.

Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:03 PM (sE2Ux)

314 I've noticed that my Nissan Frontier gets almost as good gas mileage when I am in 4wd as it does when in 2 wheel. And having taken several trips to and from Montana a couple years ago (winter and summer) I was able to track it pretty accurately.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at January 03, 2023 07:04 PM (UQUAY)

315 Shall we talk about the hand crank ?

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:04 PM (V13WU)

316 I saw a bill for a replacement battery on a Chevy Volt that was $27000.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 03, 2023 06:55 PM (Y+l9t)
.......

Good thing my brother bought a Chevy Bolt instead.

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:04 PM (v0R5T)

317 Yeah that's another step in the "you don't get to have a car" plan, or as they would put it! "You'll own nothing and like it!" Plan.

Automobiles will only be leased, never sold.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 07:02 PM (T/vhV)
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Rented or signed-out under the socialist-like community sharing plan.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:04 PM (krQz2)

318 297 "Okay sir, how many will be dining in your party?"

"No. For the charging station. Do you have anything from 6:30-7:00?"

"We'll pencil you in... We recommend showing up 60 to 90 minutes before your appointment."

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:01 PM (Sv58p)

++++

As ridiculous as that sounds, I can actually see this as the reality.

Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (qW3gD)

319 Hydrogen is a terrible fuel.

Hydrogen is an awesome fuel, it just needs the right stabilizer. Like long chains of carbon with sufficient oxygen atoms.

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (dNNCD)

320 Yep the Model T hand crank - good way to break your arm.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (1BLGl)

321 Stuck for 1/2 hour charging. Hmm.
.......

Think of all the poor sods lined up behind you.

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (v0R5T)

322 Looks like Ray is checked out.

Come on Ray, Snap Out Of It.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (up/3i)

323 To quote the late Tim Wilson: "Where the f**k is my jet pack?"

Posted by: PabloD at January 03, 2023 07:06 PM (A2wR+)

324 @290 FOrd model T top speed ? 40mph
The Speedster was good for 60. The regular model could only do 40-45, but it would do it across an open field without pavement. Could cross a ditch by tortioning 90 degrees in the middle. Try that in a f@gmobile.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:06 PM (jYCXf)

325 Egon, I think Ray has gone bye-bye

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:06 PM (1BLGl)

326 I'm think the Flintstones had a better idea.

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:06 PM (v0R5T)

327 The Station of the Future does not included the anonymous sex den that it most likely will in the future.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:06 PM (krQz2)

328 Why not have a CRT Marxist as Speaker?
Could be a riot
Posted by: Skip

Marcel marseau

Posted by: JT at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (T4tVD)

329 Could cross a ditch by tortioning 90 degrees in the middle.



==


backwards

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (V13WU)

330 Sundowner has said about government funded EV charging stations, wouldn't doubt in the Trillion dollar budget some Democrat isn't making millions but probably won't build 1 charging station

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (xhxe8)

331 Yep the Model T hand crank - good way to break your arm.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:05 PM (1BLGl)

At no extra charge!

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (eoQWY)

332 I saw a bill for a replacement battery on a Chevy Volt that was $27000.

At that point, a retrofit with a Trabant engine and transmission makes more sense.

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (hPvGe)

333 Why not just mass produce the Fred Flintstone's car and get it over with .........

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at January 03, 2023 07:08 PM (TJjL2)

334 Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at January 03, 2023 07:04 PM (UQUAY)

My Chevy Colorado has about a .5 MPG difference between 2 WD and on demand 4 WD.

But, with the truck as light as it is, and 310 HP, I like having the extra traction if I Gunz it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (oHd/0)

335 Sundowner has said about government funded EV charging stations, wouldn't doubt in the Trillion dollar budget some Democrat isn't making millions but probably won't build 1 charging station
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:07 PM (xhxe
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The Green New Deal said we should put them everywhere. So, that will solve the driving problem.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (krQz2)

336 And for some nefarious and enterprising rapists or murderers if a young woman is alone waiting, waiting, waiting for her car to be charged.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (sVtYq)
.........

She was obviously asking for it.

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (v0R5T)

337 Welp...Time to get to work on tomorrow evening's Bonus Book Thread, which is tangentially connected to today's thread...Stay tuned!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (BpYfr)

338 Why not just mass produce the Fred Flintstone's car and get it over with

Soy-boys getting exercise? Sacre bleau!

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (1BLGl)

339 California stopped a small subsidy for recyclers of CRV deposit can and plastic. so they're dropping like flies. California keeps the deposit. Recycling goes to landfill.
Posted by: torabora at January 03, 2023 06:33 PM (+frZ/)


Connecticut is pretty much just throwing all of their "single stream" recycling stuff into the trash, yet they still charge you at the point of sale for cans and bottles.


It's a big scam and a tax that most people don't even try and get their money back from.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 03, 2023 07:10 PM (uNylN)

340 The cool thing about EVs is I'll never drive one.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 03, 2023 07:10 PM (PY/t0)

341 Those idiots in the house need to negotiate and draft some kind of agreement among themselves, similar to what parliamentary democracies do. They need to call Bibi and find out how that sort of thing is done...at the moment the are just being stupid, obstinate , and not constructive.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:10 PM (V13WU)

342 And for some nefarious and enterprising rapists or murderers if a young woman is alone waiting, waiting, waiting for her car to be charged.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (sVtYq)
.........

She was obviously asking for it.
Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:09 PM (v0R5T)

Since nobody can define a woman anymore she/xe/ve/ue is perfectly safe.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (eoQWY)

343 OK, so a Tesla battery is 10Kwh? 20 solar panels, here in Calif during SUMMER produced about 40 KWH PER DAY.

Aint no way in hell the few solar panels over a gas station, would produce enough energy to fast enough to charge multiple cars at once...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (oHd/0)

344 And for some nefarious and enterprising rapists or murderers if a young woman is alone waiting, waiting, waiting for her car to be charged.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 07:00 PM (sVtYq)
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That would never happen.

Posted by: The Guy Who Tells You It Will Never Happen at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (krQz2)

345 I saw a bill for a replacement battery on a Chevy Volt that was $27000.

The battery is expensive, but a lot of the cost is removing the old batteries and disposing of them as well. There are big subsidies from the federal government to reduce that cost but its still going to cost 10+ thousand overall.

Remember, the batteries in an EV aren't in a corner, they're laid all across the chassis, so they have to literally lift the body of your car off the chassis and pull the batteries out, then because they are dangerous and made from nasty chemicals, carefully store and dispose of them. Its a big job that will cost you plenty.

And its every 8-10 years or less, depending on how much and how they are used. Not a lot of used EVs on the market because of this. Its like having your entire engine and drive train removed and replaced every decade or less.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (0hOvj)

346 Model T had a non-pressurized cooling gallery. If you developed a leak in the radiator, you'd put an egg and some oatmeal in there and it would cook onto the metal, and usually hold for years. If you tried that in the later sealed systems on other cars, it would suddenly finish cooking as you drove through town and pop the cap off, coating the car and everything around it with a healthy breakfast.

I do not expect degraded persons to understand how these machines worked. They're not up to it.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (jYCXf)

347 Tonight's Mega Millions cash jackpot is estimated to be $395 million before Democrat taxes and relatives.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:12 PM (1BLGl)

348 JT fixed shower head, had to cut wall open but not to bad in time to put it all back. Haven't tried it yet but soon.

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:12 PM (xhxe8)

349 >>>Hydrogen is an awesome fuel, it just needs the right stabilizer. Like long chains of carbon with sufficient oxygen atoms.

Yeah perfect, if you took like 8 carbon atoms and bound them to the hydrogen you could create a semi-volatile fuel that would largely remain liquid at room temperature, then you could atomize and burn the fuel through injectors, or if you needed greater simplicity you could evaporate the fuel into the incoming airstream using a barrel Venturi.

I'VE GOT IT! THE 21ST CENTURY FUEL. Since it has 8 carbon molecules let's call it octane. But we'll need a catchy trade name for the liquid fuel.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 07:12 PM (T/vhV)

350 I saw a bill for a replacement battery on a Chevy Volt that was $27000.
At that point, a retrofit with a Trabant engine and transmission makes more sense.
Posted by: t-bird

Or light it on fire and film it for yooboob clicks...

Posted by: Hotel Coral Essex at January 03, 2023 07:13 PM (no3zH)

351 EVs are a problem to a solution that already exists.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:13 PM (c7ca9)

352 Remember, the batteries in an EV aren't in a corner, they're laid all across the chassis, so they have to literally lift the body of your car off the chassis and pull the batteries out, then because they are dangerous and made from nasty chemicals, carefully store and dispose of them. Its a big job that will cost you plenty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (0hOvj)

We develop software for analyzing xrays of cars to detect contraband, guns, drugs and the like for the border patrol. EV cars are almost opaque due to the density of the batteries.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:13 PM (eoQWY)

353 I do not expect degraded persons to understand how these machines worked. They're not up to it.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (jYCXf)


I do not like your tone.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (V13WU)

354 Filled all three vehicles this past weekend, that's over 2000 miles range at cost of $120.

Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (0OP+5)

355 The cool thing about EVs is I'll never drive one.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 03, 2023 07:10 PM (PY/t0)
........

I drove my brother's Bolt. It was like a smartphone with wheels. Who needs to watch the road? Watch the dashboard display!

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (v0R5T)

356 I'VE GOT IT! THE 21ST CENTURY FUEL. Since it has 8 carbon molecules let's call it octane. But we'll need a catchy trade name for the liquid fuel.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at January 03, 2023 07:12 PM (T/vhV)

Gaia-soline. 100 percent green.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (eoQWY)

357 The only way to solve the EV charging load is to eliminate EV's. I see alot of Sikhs and Punjabi's showing off their cars and pick ups. Little.do they know...

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (Eeb9P)

358 and meanwhile, my gas bill for heating the house last month? Here in warm Calif? No snow?

$389... more than double what it was a couple years ago.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2023 07:14 PM (oHd/0)

359 This seems more of a Shelbyville idea anyway.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:15 PM (yQpMk)

360 There is a solution out there. Somebody will find it.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:15 PM (V13WU)

361 In all fairness....







Ha, ha, psyche!!

Posted by: pawn at January 03, 2023 07:15 PM (wsHtO)

362 With all the warm, sweaty bodies streaming across our not a border, another look at Rickshaws?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:16 PM (R/m4+)

363 You're not supposed to change the battery, you're supposed to buy a new EV.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (qH6FZ)

364
$389... more than double what it was a couple years ago.
Posted by: Romeo13

Not looking forward to the nat gas bill. It's been cold as shit here.

Posted by: Infidel at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (ZEa+g)

365 Oh, look , the braniacs : Report: Boebert, Gaetz, Perry Told McCarthy They Don’t Mind if Democrat Hakeem Jeffries Wins Speakership. Wellll , I FUCKING DO !

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (V13WU)

366 Let's just being Pelosi back.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (V13WU)

367 > Shall we talk about the hand crank ?

I've always been impressed at how the hand crank starter for cars REGULARLY beat the crap out of people, and the people of the time just shrugged and kept buying cars.

Those damn hand cranks broke people's arms, jaws, and tossed them around.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (eyxn4)

368 Just Wanted to thank the "perfessor" and JJ and CBD and JJ and KT and Joe Mannx and any others who are kindly filling in Ace's absence. You all do great work and make thoughtful observations, and it is much appreciated. I am also glad to thank that Ace is getting a rest.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (D+F6R)

369 Because Jeffries is her younger , more ambitions clone.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (V13WU)

370 *ambitious

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (V13WU)

371 @365 fake news, calm the fuck down people. This is pure Trump Art of the Deal stuff.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (oWBc3)

372 With all the warm, sweaty bodies streaming across our not a border, another look at Rickshaws burros?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:16 PM (R/m4+)

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (v0R5T)

373 Since the House is a clown show

Doll Eyes Alex as Speaker of the House.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (1BLGl)

374 Those damn hand cranks broke people's arms, jaws, and tossed them around.

Its like those prop planes that had to crank the prop. People died sometimes starting them, too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (0hOvj)

375 to stupid to realize they're destroying their own and their children's futures
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 03, 2023 06:09 PM (ajIMS)

Oh, their children's futures are assured. It's all the peasants who will be suffering.

Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (sE2Ux)

376 monorail .... Monorail ... MONORAIL!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (yQpMk)

377 Again, large scale adoption of EV's and so-called, "Green Energy," is a marxist fantasy, a scam and an Op.

First, there isn't enough rare earth material to replace the billion or so ICE cars with EV's.

Second, so-called, "Green Energy," is inefficient, intermittent and does not scale.

Third, as your intermittent energy increases, it must be back-stopped by a reliable form of energy.

This is just the scratching the surface with this nonsense.

It's all so stupid.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:19 PM (up/3i)

378 Slots and video poker.
Posted by: washrivergal at January 03, 2023 06:11 PM (qW3gD)

I hit 4 8's on video poker for $65.50 on the way home from work. Walked out with $90 trying to play it down to a round number. Pretty cool feeling to beat the odds.

Years ago when Slot Machines (coin slot) were not Slit Machines (Dollar slit only, no coin) I turned my last quarter into $1000 at a convenience store. Slot machines were a way to get your change as you left the store. There are very few of them left. I miss those days.There is little to compare the sound of $400 in Quarters or $800 in silver dollars hitting those tuned pans they used to have on them. Now you get a print out. Boring.

Posted by: Reforger at January 03, 2023 07:19 PM (MEjZ9)

379 Its like those prop planes that had to crank the prop. People died sometimes starting them, too.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:18 PM (0hOvj)

There is a video on youboob of some guy hand cranking a Tiger tank.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:19 PM (R/m4+)

380 The GOPe would so make a deal with the donks, probably the outcome they both wanted.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at January 03, 2023 07:19 PM (Eeb9P)

381 It doesn't matter who the speaker is. You're not voting your way out of this.

Posted by: I guess I'll tell them at January 03, 2023 07:20 PM (vI2Go)

382 363 You're not supposed to change the battery, you're supposed to buy a new EV.
Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM (qH6FZ)

Battery changes will always be tricky because you can just plug in high voltage things like people think. People think working with electricity is like there consumer experience with household elec and AA batteries.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 03, 2023 07:20 PM (7cRTM)

383 I propose an Austin to Phoenix race between any EV and a Ford F250. My prediction is the F250 arrives in Phoenix in 12.5 hours while the EV driver eventually dies in West Texas if they get that far. Bonus points: While smelling oil pumps working away.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:20 PM (c7ca9)

384 Breaking: Jeremy Renner awake and posting to Instagram. Pretty injured, and can't type...but see above...

Posted by: Nova local at January 03, 2023 07:20 PM (exHjb)

385 Ugh, should have been "can't plug in high voltage"

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (7cRTM)

386 https://tinyurl.com/2em6ccna
20 Tweets from Bad Blue

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (xhxe8)

387 Time for food and then some more model building.

Ciao

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (1BLGl)

388 Aint no way in hell the few solar panels over a gas station, would produce enough energy to fast enough to charge multiple cars at once...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2023 07:11 PM (oHd/0)
........

That's why you have to put your hands in the air, spin around twice counterclockwise, and say a prayer to Jobu.

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (v0R5T)

389 I think coal plants with decent scrubbers plus we drill the heck out the earth would be much "greener" than all this bs. And it would lead to more abundance and happiness. The inefficiency inherent in all these idiotic rube goldberg fantasies outweighs any future benefit. They have only one purpose. To make people suffer. This and the tranny insanity, and the obedience muzzles, all the lies, keeping political prisoners in dungeons, etc ..

Tell me the PTB aren't trying to build a hell on earth.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (P69fT)

390 The Station of the Future does not included the anonymous sex den that it most likely will in the future.
Posted by: Axeman

In the ass station of the future, bathroom stalls will be equipped with gently chamfered glory holes.

Posted by: Hotel Coral Essex at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (no3zH)

391 16 The future ain't bright, better ditch those shades.

Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 06:05 PM (0OP+5)

The future ain't what it used to be.

Posted by: Javems at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (AmoqO)

392 Those who are trashing Tesla are Rushioin stooges!

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:21 PM (V13WU)

393 How much does it cost to install a new fuel pump in a Model T Ford? How often do they fail?

I await the "tone" on this.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (jYCXf)

394 So it costs as much to charge the battery as to fill a regular car with gas, but it takes 6 times as long (if the sun is shining) and you get to spend lots of money on gas station food and junk while you wait, and that charge won't get you as far as a tank of gas would, I'm betting. Oh, and the car costs more than a regular car to begin with.

Well heck, sign me up.

Posted by: bluebell at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (pTb/Z)

395 The most striking things about the Twitter Files recent releases is how much Yoel Roth actually made attempts to resist the FIB and Congresspeople telling him who to ban and what to censor.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (krQz2)

396 Breaking: Jeremy Renner awake and posting to Instagram. Pretty injured, and can't type...but see above...
Posted by: Nova local


That's great news. Now I can post him to ask who he is. (Just kidding, he does look sort of familiar)

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:23 PM (dNNCD)

397 The most striking things about the Twitter Files recent releases is how much Yoel Roth actually made attempts to resist the FIB and Congresspeople telling him who to ban and what to censor.

==


should have taken it to the people , shone the proverbial light on the whole thing

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:23 PM (V13WU)

398 The Romans built fire extinguishers charge with eggs and vinegar.

Did anybody ever stop an EV fire with eggs?

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:23 PM (jYCXf)

399 Unfortunately, I think the joke here is on us, guys.

As I tirelessly point out, nearly every major car company on earth has poured massive investments into EVs and most are fully committed to stopping gas car production within the next 10 years. (Japanese car companies are the main outliers here, although they've kept their skepticism muted.) They are literally betting EVERYTHING on EVs and they DO NOT HAVE a backup plan if it all fails. They are NOT bluffing.

Yes, the market would naturally fix all this nonsense -- IF the market were allowed to operate more or less freely. But government mandates are making that impossible.

And we haven't even reached the "cash for clunkers" phase yet, when governments start bribing/bullying drivers of gas cars to sell them to the government to be destroyed, after which they'll give you "credits" to buy an EV. Mark my words, that's the next step, after mandatory new EV offerings "unexpectedly" fall short of sales targets.

Our rulers consider the EV project "too big to fail" and are quite prepared to have us endure incredible hardship to try and make it work; prepare accordingly.

Posted by: Ex-liberal at January 03, 2023 07:24 PM (XdH1u)

400 Oh, it's a McKinsley thing. That explains it.

Basically their main revenue stream is figuring out what their customers want them to tell them to do, and bill a ton of money to tell them they should do it.

Shell CEO wants to flash it's greenie bonifieds, so they serve up a study showing how it will make tons of money and look cool too, and get the local gov to foot the bill. Just Dilbert+ grade stuff.

Posted by: Voyager at January 03, 2023 07:24 PM (kweZQ)

401 "Hey , I am getting pressure to sensor people from the government !" How diffiult is that ?

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:24 PM (V13WU)

402 I'm waiting for Compost-Powered vehicles.
Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (lcQJG)

Like I said, Mr Fusion under the hood.
You get that worked out and I'll be an early adopter!

Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:25 PM (sE2Ux)

403 Oh, and the car costs more than a regular car to begin with.

Well heck, sign me up.
Posted by: bluebell at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (pTb/Z)

Can you really put a price on virtue signaling?

Posted by: A dude in MI at January 03, 2023 07:25 PM (/6GbT)

404 How much does it cost to install a new fuel pump in a Model T Ford? How often do they fail?

I await the "tone" on this.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (jYCXf)


My ex FiL buys/sells/manufactures T & A parts. 6 or 12V?
Probably $100-125ish, they should last forever - the pressure is much lower than regular fuel pumps.

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at January 03, 2023 07:25 PM (zB/T/)

405 The most striking things about the Twitter Files recent releases is how much Yoel Roth actually made attempts to resist the FIB and Congresspeople telling him who to ban and what to censor.

Posted by: Axeman at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (krQz2)

Yeah, I was surprised by that. That's the problem with playing nice with evil actors to hurt people you don't like. They never get tired of the control even when you've had enough.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (nC+QA)

406 >>should have taken it to the people , shone the proverbial light on the whole thing

Surprisingly, not that many people will actually take on the FBI, CIA, DOJ and half the political class.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (ZLI7S)

407 We are in the early, but too late to fix, stages of a cascade failure

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (nC+QA)

There was a lefty that wrote about that. Name was Wells. And it involved the Eloi and the Morlocks....

Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (sE2Ux)

408 That was bad grammar

ROth should have psoted on twitter: "The government is pressuring me to sensor certain individuals !" He wanted to appease.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (V13WU)

409 The Romans built fire extinguishers charge with eggs and vinegar.

Did anybody ever stop an EV fire with eggs?
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver

Have you checked the price of eggs lately? It would cheaper to let the EV burn to the ground.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (c7ca9)

410 Can you really put a price on virtue signaling?
Posted by: A dude in MI at January 03, 2023 07:25 PM (/6GbT)
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Actually, I can! My price is $0. I'm a bargain.

Posted by: bluebell at January 03, 2023 07:27 PM (pTb/Z)

411 @399

>>Our rulers consider the EV project "too big to fail" and are quite prepared to have us endure incredible hardship to try and make it work; prepare accordingly.

They will have to pry my dead cold hands off of my V8 Wrangler.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:27 PM (up/3i)

412 And we haven't even reached the "cash for clunkers" phase yet, when governments start bribing/bullying drivers of gas cars to sell them to the government to be destroyed, after which they'll give you "credits" to buy an EV. Mark my words, that's the next step, after mandatory new EV offerings "unexpectedly" fall short of sales targets.
.......

They'll have to pry my '90 F350 from my cold dead hands.

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:27 PM (v0R5T)

413 I don't think the gas station model works. You have to retrofit all business, corporate, and shopping mall parking lots with slow chargers. You know, the destinations, where people will be spending considerable time.

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:27 PM (dNNCD)

414 More people need to start to push the whole cobalt slavery thing out there. Most all of it going to EV cars, in comparison to tiny electronics batteries.

https://youtu.be/CIWvk3gJ_7E

Posted by: clutch cargo - Now fortified with CPM-S90V at January 03, 2023 07:27 PM (zB/T/)

415 Surprisingly, not that many people will actually take on the FBI, CIA, DOJ and half the political class.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 07:26 PM (ZLI7S)

Can be done - they hate exposure. Even the little-list bit.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:28 PM (V13WU)

416 "New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (Vwz3I)

Or, you could, you know, just not insist that bodies be buried in metal-lined coffins designed to never biodegrade.

Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:28 PM (sE2Ux)

417 In the day ie early 60's we had a turbine car in our neighborhood. It looked like a T Bird Prototype. The rear of the car had a large round port in the center and made a whirring sound as it passed by. It was said the car could run on any flammable liquid including lighter fliud. Yep 1960-63 Ford Turbine T Bird. Groovy Baby!! I'ma Google that one or even You Tube whirrrrrrŕr

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at January 03, 2023 07:28 PM (L43BE)

418 Ryan Long on how to get rich by telling other people how to get rich on Youtube

https://youtu.be/JnhWgQmRBMA

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (0hOvj)

419 "How much does it cost to install a new fuel pump in a Model T Ford? How often do they fail?
I await the "tone" on this."
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 07:22 PM (jYCXf)

No fuel pump, gravity feed.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (qH6FZ)

420 Newsom will outlaw the sale of used gasoline powered car parts.

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (v0R5T)

421 I am starting to think that GAetz is a poseur !

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (V13WU)

422 I'm not giving up my gasoline automobiles either. If nothing else I can make wood gas.

Posted by: fd at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (iayUP)

423 >>Can be done - they hate exposure. Even the little-list bit.

Sure it can. But as history as shown it usually doesn't.

Look how many people are currently sitting in DC prison for trespassing.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 07:30 PM (ZLI7S)

424 So what are the odds on a beat down/ robbery while waiting?
Golly it's bad enough in a gas station.

Just not a place anyone wants to spend quality time. IFKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Derak at January 03, 2023 07:30 PM (Av8cj)

425 I'm not giving up my gasoline automobiles either. If nothing else I can make wood gas. Posted by: fd

Carjacking is an option and saves having to waste all day trying to charge an EV.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (c7ca9)

426 Yes maam, this is the fire station. What's that? Your house is on fire?

Well be over just as soon as the truck is fully charged.

Posted by: pawn at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (wsHtO)

427 So nowhere for RVs or trucks with trailers.

They're telling you what will be allowed in the future. You've got to start listening, though.

Posted by: Press Juan for English at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (+fJgE)

428 They are literally betting EVERYTHING on EVs and they DO NOT HAVE a backup plan if it all fails. They are NOT bluffing.

Its virtue signalling I think. Its easy to claim you're going to do something a decade away. But will they actually do it?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (0hOvj)

429 Just not a place anyone wants to spend quality time. IFKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: Derak at January 03, 2023 07:30 PM (Av8cj)
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I don't know, I've heard their sushi is supposed to be good.

Posted by: bluebell at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (pTb/Z)

430 My ex FiL buys/sells/manufactures T & A parts. 6 or 12V?

Cherry2000?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:32 PM (yQpMk)

431 Let's just being Pelosi back.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:17 PM


That is what will happen if these fvck sticks don't get their act together.


Meanwhile the democrats are just siting back rubbing their hands and laughing at the republicans who will not be able to accomplish one single thing for the next two years.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (uNylN)

432 Eustace Conway the Mountain Man made a wood burning truck out of his Toyota.

Hilarious and it worked.

GM probably has had him eliminated.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (R/m4+)

433 If there are no gas pumps it can't be honestly called a gas station unless they also serve burritos.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 03, 2023 06:28 PM (1BLGl)

I have a gas station burrito place near my home. The burrito place is "Burrito Perdido" and the gas part is Sunoco. So... I've never eaten there.

Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (sE2Ux)

434 Newsom will outlaw the sale of used gasoline powered car parts.
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Remember a year or so ago when the Supreme Court ruled that the EPA couldn't regulate CO2, so Congress passed a law saying the EPA could regulate CO2?

That's how it will be done. You can own the car, but you can't register or drive it.

Posted by: Press Juan for English at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (+fJgE)

435 Check out at bottom of Bad Blue, a Testla went down a mountain side ( if have it right) and all 4 occupants are still alive

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (xhxe8)

436 @421

>>I am starting to think that GAetz is a poseur !

Probably.

With the exception of perhaps two in the Senate, five in the House and 1-1/2 Governors, they all suck.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (up/3i)

437 How much extra do you estimate Ford will charge for a Duracel branded F150?

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:33 PM (c7ca9)

438 Well be over just as soon as the truck is fully charged.

"We literally just put out a fire this weekend! Give us time!"

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:34 PM (Sv58p)

439 "New York State residents can now choose the option of having a green burial, allowing their bodies to be turned into human compost."
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 03, 2023 06:22 PM (Vwz3I)

Or, you could, you know, just not insist that bodies be buried in metal-lined coffins designed to never biodegrade.
Posted by: GWB


Serve them as a meal and turn them into compost.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at January 03, 2023 07:34 PM (9uCBG)

440 There are a lot of federal exemptions for fuel efficiency and safety in cars over a certain age. All they have to do is revoke those exemptions and suddenly your bitchen 68 charger is illegal to even have on the road.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:34 PM (0hOvj)

441 Meanwhile the democrats are just siting back rubbing their hands and laughing at the republicans who will not be able to accomplish one single thing for the next two years.
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They start out hamstrung since Mitch passed the continuing resolution or whatever to span the next year.

The new House will have one year or so of financial oversight.

Posted by: Press Juan for English at January 03, 2023 07:34 PM (+fJgE)

442 If it was up to you people, we'd be transporting ourselves in gala coupé carriages.

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:35 PM (V13WU)

443 Ryan Long on how to get rich by telling other people how to get rich on Youtube

https://youtu.be/JnhWgQmRBMA
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:29 PM (0hOvj)

I was noticing that trend a couple of years ago. Several people I know IRL were transitioning from selling an *actual* product or service to selling "classes" about using the various platforms available for sales. I find it disturbing that this seems to be considered the winning path.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (nC+QA)

444 Our rulers consider the EV project "too big to fail" and are quite prepared to have us endure incredible hardship to try and make it work; prepare accordingly.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at January 03, 2023 07:24 PM (XdH1u)

Yeah, sell the shares, 'cause they gonna lose bigly.

In fact, they already losing bigly and many are already making big cuts to their EV programs.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (MkuC5)

445 If it was up to you people, we'd be transporting ourselves in gala coupé carriages.
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If that's what you want to buy or can afford, fine.

Just don't make everyone buy gala coupe carriages.

Posted by: Press Juan for English at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (+fJgE)

446 Is the Omnibus an EV?

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (v0R5T)

447 >>Yes maam, this is the fire station. What's that? Your house is on fire?

>>Well be over just as soon as the truck is fully charged.

Just as likely that it was their car that was on fire.

Dirty little secret of the the lithium battery world is that they burn, a lot. And they are very difficult to extinguish.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (ZLI7S)

448 I assume that Sky Burials are illegal in the US since I never hear about them.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (yQpMk)

449 Have you checked the price of eggs lately? It would cheaper to let the EV burn to the ground.
Posted by: Lost in Space


$9.60 18 count XL at Wal Mart.

Posted by: rickb223 Gone Galt at January 03, 2023 07:37 PM (9uCBG)

450 Is the Omnibus an EV? Posted by: wth

I think you mean the ObamaBus.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:37 PM (c7ca9)

451 I assume that Sky Burials are illegal in the US since I never hear about them.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:36 PM (yQpMk)
........

I know a guy who does ash dumping over the Monterey Bay.

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:38 PM (v0R5T)

452 I was noticing that trend a couple of years ago. Several people I know IRL were transitioning from selling an *actual* product or service to selling "classes" about using the various platforms available for sales. I find it disturbing that this seems to be considered the winning path.

Posted by: Polliwog
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This sort of thing has long been known in the book world. Books about how to write a book or get published are going to get you a book deal way before your fiction work will.

Posted by: Press Juan for English at January 03, 2023 07:38 PM (+fJgE)

453 What is going on with eggs ?? I too noticed the crazy prices. BIrd Influenza ??

Posted by: runner at January 03, 2023 07:39 PM (V13WU)

454 I'll believe it's the "Gas station of the future" when Buc-ee's has 120 EV charging stations
Posted by: Stacy0311
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The Buc-ee's in Cen TX now have Tesla supercharging stations. But still no solar. There were actually quite a few Tesla's charging up. But it's Buc-ee's and Tesla, 2 Texas companies so I won't snark too much...

Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:39 PM (UUBmN)

455 Skip the middleman. Just chunk Grandma out into the backyard. She'll eventually decompose on her own, and feed the vultures in the process. The circle of life!
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 03, 2023 06:34 PM (sVtYq)

Honestly, the laws that prevent you from doing almost that are just constant employment regulations for morticians and fancy casket makers. How many would bury Grandma next to Grandpa, then Mom and Dad, and on and on, on their own property if it were not regulated so heavily? And without an expensive casket to preserve them forever in their little tub-o-death?

Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:39 PM (sE2Ux)

456 I want my body to decompose so I can come back as a worm. Then a bird might eat me and I could fly. Then I'd dive bomb tourists on the wharf.

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:40 PM (v0R5T)

457 GM probably has had him eliminated.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

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You can find the plans online from WWII era when fuel was rationed in the US. Look up Wood Gas Generator using search engines.

Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 07:40 PM (bDjBG)

458 Its easy to claim you're going to do something a decade away. But will they actually do it?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 03, 2023 07:31 PM (0hOvj)

Apparently CA's 'no old engines' law was actually enacted a decade ago and it went into effect yesterday. Unfortunately, assuming sanity will return in the interval between legislation and enforcement looks to be a losing bet.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 07:40 PM (nC+QA)

459 Texas has had "green burials" and "water cremations" for a while now. Sky Burial would be awesome though.

Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:41 PM (UUBmN)

460 Have you checked the price of eggs lately? It would cheaper to let the EV burn to the ground.
Posted by: Lost in Space

Ha. After establishing our coop and hens this year,
We're at $10. Per egg. I understand economies of scale, but..

I hope that happens before the cougar gets 'em.

Posted by: Derak at January 03, 2023 07:42 PM (Av8cj)

461 402 I'm waiting for Compost-Powered vehicles.
Posted by: Zek at January 03, 2023 06:20 PM (lcQJG)

Like I said, Mr Fusion under the hood.
You get that worked out and I'll be an early adopter!
Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:25 PM
Kamakiriad by Donald Fagan

Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2023 07:42 PM (0OP+5)

462 Oh, so McKinsey wants to get in on this racket too? Maybe the best way to get rid of the EV fad is to let them have at it. After all, it is well established by now that any hardware that consulting outfit touches is contractually guaranteed to turn into an explosion of flaming diarrhea within 36 months.

Posted by: CppThis at January 03, 2023 07:42 PM (UewuT)

463 It looks like there's been a third vote and McCarthy has lost that too. They adjourned without a speaker.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (P69fT)

464 $6.92 for 18 large eggs at HEB. The extra large here at Walmart are at $8.72 for 18. Guess what I switched to. My food bill has gone up about 40% overall.

Posted by: nogooddeed at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (BE1+B)

465 Test

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (up/3i)

466 Girl928 gave me a chicken waterer for Christmas.

I guess I need some chickens to go with it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (yQpMk)

467 What is going on with eggs?? I too noticed the crazy prices. BIrd Influenza?? Posted by: runner

The inflation reduction act at work.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (c7ca9)

468 You can find the plans online from WWII era when fuel was rationed in the US. Look up Wood Gas Generator using search engines.
Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 07:40 PM (bDjBG)

If I remember right, that is what Eustace used or some german WW2 design.

Thanks whig!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (R/m4+)

469 >>Honestly, the laws that prevent you from doing almost that are just constant employment regulations for morticians and fancy casket makers. How many would bury Grandma next to Grandpa, then Mom and Dad, and on and on, on their own property if it were not regulated so heavily? And without an expensive casket to preserve them forever in their little tub-o-death?

We're about to find out. NY just legalized human composting.

https://tinyurl.com/4kvne36k

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (ZLI7S)

470 In Texas you can do backyard burials given a certain amount of land and you can also transport a body yourself.

Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:44 PM (UUBmN)

471 I hope that happens before the cougar gets 'em.
Posted by: Derak at January 03, 2023 07:42 PM (Av8cj)

Look, Mrs Johnson might be a divorcee, but hardly going to steal eggs and chickens

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 07:44 PM (eoQWY)

472 Bird flu: my understanding if it tests the whole flock is destroyed, infected or not.

Posted by: Derak at January 03, 2023 07:44 PM (Av8cj)

473 There's a woman who's working name is Olivia Beavers.

Guess her occupation.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 03, 2023 07:45 PM (P69fT)

474 It really is quite puzzling what Pixy does and does not allow to be posted.

Sometimes I can post a complete treatise, sometimes I can't even post two sentences.

Weird.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:45 PM (up/3i)

475 >>I am starting to think that GAetz is a poseur !

Probably.

With the exception of perhaps two in the Senate, five in the House and 1-1/2 Governors, they all suck.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

Truth of the matter is that all politicians are poseurs by nature. Some are more useful than others though and anyone attacking the uniparty is an ally.

Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 07:45 PM (bDjBG)

476 Pro tip: store bought pesto is kind of lame, but it's a fine base. Sautee capers and anchovies and lots of garlic in butter. Then reduce a cup of white wine in that, and mix it with the pesto and simmer it.

It adds about 20 minutes to that lame store sauce, which you're pretty much using anyway to boil the water and cook the linguine.

You're welcome.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (oINRc)

477 Lin-duh, a few years ago, my uncle worked for a funeral home. He got my parents a great deal on a granite double headstone. They kept it out in the backyard. I advised them to move it before they put their house on the market.

Posted by: nogooddeed at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (BE1+B)

478 nood




Pyramid

Posted by: banana Dream at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (P69fT)

479 They adjourned without a speaker.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 03, 2023 07:43 PM (P69fT)
........

OMG WHATTAWEGONNADO WE ALL GONNA DIE

Posted by: wth at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (v0R5T)

480 1-1/2 Governors
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I see what you did here...

Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (UUBmN)

481 I am thinking a surge in "Viking" burials will become the new norm but using lots and lots of old tires.

Cheap and effective and lots of black smoke.

The greenies will go ballistic...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 03, 2023 07:46 PM (R/m4+)

482 Texas has had "green burials" and "water cremations" for a while now. Sky Burial would be awesome though.
Posted by: lin-duh

I can envision the people that show up with the rides at state fairs adding that as an attraction. Anybody know what the appropriate swag prize for that would be?

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 03, 2023 07:47 PM (c7ca9)

483 In Texas you can do backyard burials given a certain amount of land and you can also transport a body yourself.

Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:44 PM


In Texas you can just go out and pitch the body in a culvert and let the feral hogs take care of the burial.


They were constantly finding human remains when they were working on building the dam and bridges for the new lake near me.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 03, 2023 07:47 PM (uNylN)

484 @475

>>Truth of the matter is that all politicians are poseurs by nature.

Undoubtedly, this is correct, but it just seems that our current crop literally does not give a flying f**k what the base thinks, about anything and aren't really making any effort to hide their contempt.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:47 PM (up/3i)

485 Nood.

Posted by: nurse ratched, I wanna cookie, please. at January 03, 2023 07:48 PM (deIkU)

486 We Haz a NOOD

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2023 07:48 PM (xhxe8)

487 474 It really is quite puzzling what Pixy does and does not allow to be posted.

Sometimes I can post a complete treatise, sometimes I can't even post two sentences.

Weird.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Rules based on past troll infestations over time make things opaque. The limit on post limits came about from a deranged former commenter that liked to cut and paste the whole comment thread to the blog over and over again in every thread.

Others were based on the commercial low rent trolls tramps like Sarah, Tom, and so on trying to get some dimes to rub together.

Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 07:48 PM (bDjBG)

488 Imagine the Bonanza of having potential victims electrically stranded for a half hour at a pop, or sometimes for up to 1 or 2 hours. Cha-ching!
Posted by: Common Tater at January 03, 2023 06:43 PM (kL9Oc)

Funny. I watched an episode of Adam-12 last night where they warned a young woman about that particular locale, "But it's daylight, and I'll only be a few minutes...". Then, later, they go back by there and the woman's car has the hood up, then the men "helping" her kidnap her. They disconnected her distributor cap while she was in there (after Reed and Malloy had left) then replaced it when they helped her "fix" her car.

Posted by: GWB at January 03, 2023 07:48 PM (sE2Ux)

489 ...you can also transport a body yourself.

Posted by: lin-duh at January 03, 2023 07:44 PM (UUBmN)

THAT was *the majority* of the expense when John died. The permits to funeral homes in MO to pick up a body must be like taxi medallions in NYC.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 03, 2023 07:48 PM (nC+QA)

490 Undoubtedly, this is correct, but it just seems that our current crop literally does not give a flying f**k what the base thinks, about anything and aren't really making any effort to hide their contempt.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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The only cure is as Madison said in the Federalist papers, Ambition must check ambition and the only way to do that is kill the uniparty.

Posted by: whig at January 03, 2023 07:49 PM (bDjBG)

491 @487

>>Rules based on past troll infestations over time make things opaque.

Yeah, that, but I think it's something to do with numbers and letters in a particular sequence or frequency.

Like I said, sometimes I can post long rants, sometimes I can't even post a sentence or two.

Odd.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 03, 2023 07:51 PM (up/3i)

492 In Texas you can do backyard burials given a certain amount of land and you can also transport a body yourself.

Seeing all those plots must be kind of spooky for all the trespassers. "Su nombre aqui"

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2023 07:55 PM (yZlY6)

493 Uhmm...pretty nice wooden arches and beams...is that the "Chic" Rainforest stuff? Or cedar from Siberia? It Certainly isn't "Staunch English Oak" not in large enough sizes to even gluelam that size of architecture, how much fossil fuel was expended(wasted) to cut that stuff from waaaaay far away,(the mountain stuff uses helicopters to grab each log) truck it , ship it, mill it, glue it, treat it, form it, ship it, erect it with cranes, to the deeeeep concrete pilings needed to hold it up.
Uhmmm also...anyone notice how tall the building on the right is? Half a day at MOST sunlight to those panels, anytime but the short summer months nearly none at all.
London averages(1990-2020) 1507 hours/annum of detectable sunshine, UK average is 1400hrs.(a year is 8760 hrs, daytime is most broadly 4380hrs, though much of that is dawn/dusk or quite dark.) London averages 1/4 of that"daylight" much of it in very brief periods.The scratch pad global solar calc is 7 hours of sun actually hitting panels a day, 4-5 1/2 of that is peak power (1000w/meter squared)....and is 50% less in the winter months

Posted by: birddog at January 03, 2023 07:55 PM (uAI4S)

494 Romeo13: "Aint no way in hell the few solar panels over a gas station, would produce enough energy to fast enough to charge multiple cars at once..."

You're not supposed to notice that. You're only supposed to notice ample parking, clean sidewalks, and ambient lighting.

I've been looking at a solar panel to provide a trickle charge to maintain a 12V mower battery. Uses about a square foot of space for 10 watts. Ten. At a trickle.

I'm sure the 144 sq ft awning panel will be plenty sufficient to quick-charge an entire bank of batteries. Maybe even enough left over to charge your phone and broil a steak.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at January 03, 2023 07:57 PM (aXxgO)

495 London averages(1990-2020) 1507 hours/annum of detectable sunshine, UK average is 1400hrs.(a year is 8760 hrs, daytime is most broadly 4380hrs, though much of that is dawn/dusk or quite dark.)


What sorcery is this?!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:57 PM (yQpMk)

496 London averages(1990-2020) 1507 hours/annum of detectable sunshine, UK average is 1400hrs.(a year is 8760 hrs, daytime is most broadly 4380hrs, though much of that is dawn/dusk or quite dark.)


What sorcery is this?!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 03, 2023 07:57 PM (yQpMk)

Clouds?

Posted by: Oldcat at January 03, 2023 08:06 PM (eoQWY)

497 Clouds, fog, mist, haze, pollution...London is as dark and dank as Seattle...or worse. Only about 190 days with ANY visible sun at all.

Posted by: birddog at January 03, 2023 08:51 PM (uAI4S)

498 The “gas station of the future” would have a Small Modular Reactor.

Posted by: Tmitss at January 03, 2023 08:51 PM (KhTk+)

499 @419 No fuel pump, gravity feed. Right
you are.
The Runner considers that a failing, for some reason.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 03, 2023 09:00 PM (jYCXf)

500 Currently, in the US, approximately 75% of what you pay at the pump goes to various governments, State/Federal/Local, as taxes. This does not include the taxes the gas station, distributor, refinery, or crude oil producers pay.

Those taxes, for the most part, go to pay for road construction and maintenance. Which is what they're supposed to be used for. Go figure.

How much are they taxing electricity to pay for roads? ZERO. Nothing. Nada.

So, if we go "all electric", the first thing they'll have to do is start taxing charging stations like this and that means that your cost to recharge your EV will have to increase by about 400%.

Posted by: Aarradin at January 04, 2023 01:36 AM (5kvQv)

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