One Thing the Federal Government gets Right <br> [Dave in Fla]

One Thing the Federal Government gets Right
[Dave in Fla]

I don't know about you, but as we move into 2023, I'm pretty burned out on the constant conflict and trench warfare of politics. I think we can all agree that our government "By the People, and for the People" is pretty much not, and may never be again.

But I wanted to point out one thing that the Federal Government does still seem to get right, at least for the moment. I took a long weekend in the middle of December to fly out to Las Vegas and take a tour of several of the national parks. This post might be an excuse to show some of my vacation photos, but it was a positive experience to cap off a year of negativity.

Zion National Park

I've been going to national parks since I was a child. I grew up in a home where money was pretty tight, and vacations to places like Yellowstone were an economical option. On this trip I got to visit Zion and Bryce, two parks I have never been to, and also return to the Grand Canyon, which I haven't seen in over 40 years.

There were a couple things that struck me, because they hit sensitive nerves. First the cost of entry is higher (even accounting for inflation) than when I was a kid, but the price was still fair and affordable. I wouldn't expect to enter parks for free, given the cost to maintain them. But compared to other entertainment options, they are still a bargain.

Second was the lack of "messaging" which I expect from everything that the woke deep state controls. I expected to see a strong push on environmentalism and climate change in the visitor centers and merchandise. Instead, everything was played straight with minimal preaching. A focus on litter was the only thing I noticed, and I didn't see a single item related to global warming. Also the merchandise for sale was top quality and well made.

Grand Canyon National Park

The third thing was a comparison to parks not being run by the NPS. I also went to Antelope Canyon and Monument Valley, both of which are run by the Navajo. I understand that the Navajo aren't a wealthy tribe, so they don't have the same resources the NPS has. But there was a clear distinction between the facilities and park maintenance between the two sets of experiences. One of the advantages of the National Parks is that the experience is generally consistent and pleasant. It was easy to see where privately owned parks could have a wide range of guest experiences.

Bryce Canyon National Park

All in all, I had a great time visiting some of the parks in the Mountain West, especially compared to the time on either end spent in Las Vegas. I very much preferred the quieter experience to the over-the-top commercialism. The National Park Service continues to do a good job.

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1 Nice pictures, Dave!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2023 01:36 PM (t0OGg)

2 Sponge!

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 01:36 PM (lf83v)

3 Ask Bobby Unser about that.

Posted by: BignJames at January 05, 2023 01:37 PM (AwYPR)

4 The National Park Service continues to do a good job.
++++
They do generally pretty good work and people actually like it.

That's why it's always the first thing to be locked down during "government shutdown" battles.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2023 01:37 PM (t0OGg)

5 Sorry for being a couple minutes late, doing this on a phone

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at January 05, 2023 01:37 PM (59Ndb)

6 Beautiful!
Go see them in person.
Really!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 05, 2023 01:37 PM (yTcTV)

7 "Call some place paradise, and kiss it goodbye."

Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:37 PM (qoDr0)

8 I did the GC/Bryce/Zion trifecta about 10 years ago. They are each staggeringly beautiful.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 05, 2023 01:38 PM (eOEVl)

9 Teddy Roosevelt's legacy.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 01:38 PM (lf83v)

10 Unless you're one of the hundreds of people that disappear in National Parks every year.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2023 01:38 PM (Y5qcH)

11 Dolley and I are going to the Grand Canyon in April.

Looking forward to it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 01:38 PM (LvTSG)

12 5 Sorry for being a couple minutes late, doing this on a phone

we'll let it go, this time.

*scowl*

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 05, 2023 01:38 PM (v3pYe)

13 Of course government has success with national parks. It's one of the few government functions where the job is primarily leaving something alone to be what it wants to be.

Posted by: MartynWW at January 05, 2023 01:39 PM (Ur3df)

14 Um, considering the usage of various Dem presidents to declare very valuable mineral deposits 'National Parks'- or the way these were administered during the Chinese Lung AIDS Apocalypse, I disagree Dave.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 01:39 PM (zZu0s)

15 Zion, Bryce and the GC are awesome.
Been there a few times.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 05, 2023 01:39 PM (ufFY8)

16 With regard to national parks, the government doesn't do anything to the area, other than put in a few roads and hire tour guides.

I think the less the government does, they better off we all are, and a lesson should be taken from that.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023 01:39 PM (lTGtQ)

17 Some national Parks are warranted, but the Fed Government owning 45% of the land in California, is NOT what the Founders intended.

I note that on the East Coast, there are very few large forest fires... yet West of Denver? Yearly... why? If you personally own the land, you make sure it aint gonna burn down... Fed Gov owned land? They don't care.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (oHd/0)

18 This is a thread as wide as Nancy Pelosi's hallway.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (zZu0s)

19 Nationally managed lands are fantastic, except for the exclusion of any extractive industries in pursuit of a "zero impact" policy and the subsequent massive fires that result from mismanagement and intentional neglect. Apparently stretches of wilderness burnt to sterility is "natural" where selective cutting is not.

But meth sales are up in the collapsed mill towns, so someone is profiting.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (xhaym)

20

Here in Wyoming there is so much to see and do. We aren't just Yellowstone. This is a gorgeous state.

Posted by: four seasons at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (ichPI)

21 >>I did the GC/Bryce/Zion trifecta about 10 years ago.

I did it a much longer time ago. Did a bunch of other parks as well during a family camping vacation.

Best vacation we ever took as a family.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (ZLI7S)

22 But I wanted to point out one thing that the Federal Government does still seem to get right, at least for the moment.

We took some land which is unsuitable for any commercial purpose, fenced it off and charge you to be able to look at it. -- FedGov

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (GYIa4)

23 Kinda. Oregon is one of the most beautiful places on earth and has some of the most astonishing and amazing parks in the nation. But the trails and campgrounds and parks are getting run down because they need the money for basketball tournaments and light rail for Portland and pensions for SAIF employees and on and on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (0hOvj)

24 Teddy Roosevelt's legacy.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 01:38 PM (lf83v)

A good Conservationist.

Posted by: Really Zombie Benedict Arnold at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (gmo/4)

25 Dave in Fla, many of the State parks in the West are very good too.
Usually smaller venues; but, really pretty.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 05, 2023 01:41 PM (yTcTV)

26 Here in Wyoming there is so much to see and do. We aren't just Yellowstone. This is a gorgeous state.

Shhh. People might notice and move there.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 01:41 PM (0hOvj)

27 Feds should not decide what areas are parks.

Each state should decide that for themselves.

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at January 05, 2023 01:41 PM (V6W16)

28 Nice pics, Dave.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at January 05, 2023 01:41 PM (JjzI1)

29 Here in Wyoming there is so much to see and do. We aren't just Yellowstone. This is a gorgeous state.
Posted by: four seasons at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (ichPI)
++++
It sure is.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2023 01:41 PM (t0OGg)

30 Shhh. People might notice and move there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
___

Don't worry, a lot of us that would love to move can't afford to.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at January 05, 2023 01:41 PM (JjzI1)

31 Willowed: Wow. I really thought I was the only person who remembered the show Herman's Head. Was shown just before In Living Colour.
Posted by: Catherine at January 05, 2023

***
A fun little series about moral and ethical behavior that never hit you over the head or lectured you. "Lisa Simpson," Yeardley Smith, was a regular. Her character complained in one episode that someone told her she sounded like the daughter on The Simpsons!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (J2vNu)

32 National Parks are nice

but the real action and fun are in the Wilderness areas

a lot less rules

Posted by: REDACTED at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (us2H3)

33 Nominations for round eight begin....

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (ufFY8)

34 semi-Willowed:

602 591 Kohberger probable cause affidavit released. Looks like LE was holding a shit-ton of evidence the whole time, played dumb publicly until it was time for arrest.

oh interesting where did you find this? am super curious
Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused

The FBI ordered the Indiana State Police to pull Kohlberger over, and the ISP performed pretext stops. Is anyone a little concerned about that little violation of civil liberties?

Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (qoDr0)

35

CRT,

Not much chance of that. We've been shoveling a foot of snow the last couple of days, lol.

Posted by: four seasons at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (ichPI)

36 I grew up 50 miles from Yellowstone. We would take numerous day trips every summer (even fall and early spring sometimes), as well as camp a couple times a year.

September in Yellowstone is amazing. the critters are at peak beauty and the obnoxious tourists are mostly gone.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at January 05, 2023 01:43 PM (xPJvm)

37 I agree. I've got a Jackson Hole ski and snowmobile trip booked for a week in January. Been going there for years. It's truly magical there, especially for a New York City boy like myself.

One of the best lines I heard was the first time I was there, with a Pinay girl I took for her birthday. Needless to say she wasn't around snowy mountains much. We were on the snowmobiles out deep in Yellowstone, and she was amazed. She said "this looks like Narnia." I've used that line to this day.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 05, 2023 01:43 PM (iFTx/)

38 Once you get past the visitor centers, how can you not be impressed and awe struck with the parks? They're magnificent.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 05, 2023 01:43 PM (TgNpw)

39 The FBI ordered the Indiana State Police to pull Kohlberger over, and the ISP performed pretext stops. Is anyone a little concerned about that little violation of civil liberties?
Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (qoDr0)

I have been worried since around when thousands of Dem Political opponents have been held without trial for years.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 01:43 PM (zZu0s)

40 Here in Wyoming there is so much to see and do.
________

Maybe I should visit there someday.

Posted by: Liz Cheney, Washington, DC at January 05, 2023 01:43 PM (lf83v)

41 Umm, if there is a lack of idiotic "climate" propaganda in national parks, I'm astounded and puzzled. It certainly isn't lacking in other NPS properties (like national monuments).

One particular example were the signs about "climate" and "disappearing glaciers" at Glacier National Park. Apparently, once a particular glacier where the idiotic sign was placed started growing again, the sign was simply removed, without comment (somebody here surely knows this story and/or has been there?).

And Dave in 2013 the Park Service was the most jarring and ridiculous of the federal entities during the "shut down" - blocking view overlooks on public roads at parks in the west, and my favorite, spending extra $$ to rent barriers to block access to (the normally open, un-manned) WWII memorial in DC, so that aged veterans on their one trip to see it could not get in.

That last outrage, for me, has served as my marker for when the civic culture was shown to be beyond hope (and recall it was all to prevent delay in implementing a disastrous law that financially devastated millions and greatly further damaged American medicine, possibly beyond repair).

Posted by: rhomboid at January 05, 2023 01:43 PM (OTzUX)

42
Dunno, the Blue Ridge Parkway isn't maintained as it was 30 years ago, and Isle Royale is now the Royal Idle for Park Rangers.

Posted by: Auspex at January 05, 2023 01:44 PM (b+KE4)

43 33 Nominations for round eight begin....
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (ufFY

TWO MEN ENTER. ONE MAN LEAVES!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 01:44 PM (zZu0s)

44 Here in Wyoming there is so much to see and do. We aren't just Yellowstone. This is a gorgeous state.
Posted by: four seasons

Wyoming is indeed beautiful, in the west. The eastern side is less so, though I did visit Cheyenne and saw the one tree.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023 01:44 PM (lTGtQ)

45
Second was the lack of "messaging" which I expect from everything that the woke deep state controls. I expected to see a strong push on environmentalism and climate change in the visitor centers and merchandise. Instead, everything was played straight with minimal preaching.

Depends on the Park. Took some relatives from Holland to Yosemite last summer, and there was a shitload of climate change/white peepoe stole this land propaganda. Not quite enough to ruin the experience, but definitely annoying.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 05, 2023 01:44 PM (n+4am)

46 The FBI ordered the Indiana State Police to pull Kohlberger over, and the ISP performed pretext stops. Is anyone a little concerned about that little violation of civil liberties?
Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (qoDr0)

Yeah... saw that and went... what the hell?

And then they release PICTURES OF IT? Media event?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 05, 2023 01:44 PM (oHd/0)

47 Shhh. People might notice and move there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
___

Don't worry, a lot of us that would love to move can't afford to.
Posted by: SMH

And some have wife's that look at the winter temps and say "Are you crazy?"

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 05, 2023 01:44 PM (yTcTV)

48 but the real action and fun are in the Wilderness areas

a lot less rules
Posted by: REDACTED at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (us2H3)

***

You could disappear into the Boundary Waters Wilderness Area and not see another human for weeks.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (flINI)

49 Agree- Wife and I got a National Parks passport book and intend to fill it up with visits with grandsons. We recently saw Natural Bridge (a VA state park, but also awesome) along with the New River gorge and bridge. Excellent!

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (5B+J1)

50 Tesla is facing a new $2.2 million fine for apparently misleading consumers about the range of its vehicles in cold weather, a report says.

South Korea’s Fair Trade Commission alleged Tuesday that the electric automakerexaggerated the “driving ranges of its cars on a single charge, their fuel cost-effectiveness compared to gasoline vehicles as well as the performance of its Superchargers” on its Korean website from mid-2019 until recently, according to Reuters.

The actual driving range of Tesla vehicles drops in cold weather by up to 50.5% compared to what was being advertised online, Reuters also reported, citing the Korean agency.

Posted by: SMOD at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (RHGPo)

51 >>> The FBI ordered the Indiana State Police to pull Kohlberger over, and the ISP performed pretext stops. Is anyone a little concerned about that little violation of civil liberties?
Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (qoDr0)

Then it looks like they had enough to get him by the book but went the iffy easy route.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (0fVbu)

52 When I was a kid, we got to go look for cans on the side of the road.

Posted by: Roland THTG at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (j40lz)

53 4 The National Park Service continues to do a good job.
++++
They do generally pretty good work and people actually like it.

That's why it's always the first thing to be locked down during "government shutdown" battles.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2023 01:37 PM (t0OGg)

Thomas Massie's proposal would remove that threat from the calculation. Republicans must make this happen.

https://twitter.com/themattbeebe/status/
1604146079628496896

Posted by: Half Dozen at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (c7HsI)

54 Yeah... saw that and went... what the hell?

And then they release PICTURES OF IT? Media event?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 05, 2023 01:44 PM (oHd/0)

Fruit of the poisoned tree...the guy should go scot-free.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (ufFY8)

55 40 Here in Wyoming there is so much to see and do.
________

Maybe I should visit there someday.
Posted by: Liz Cheney, Washington, DC at January 05, 2023 01:43 PM (lf83v)

last time you went, you bagged a mastodon

Posted by: REDACTED at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (us2H3)

56 I have been worried since around when thousands of Dem Political opponents have been held without trial for years.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 01:43 PM (zZu0s)

The ghost of Levoy Finicum would like to have a little talk with you.

Pulled over, gunned down by Feds as he is going to an appointment with a Sherrif.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 05, 2023 01:46 PM (oHd/0)

57

On the other hand, I strongly recommend Appomattox Court House.

Posted by: Auspex at January 05, 2023 01:46 PM (b+KE4)

58 Dolley and I are going to the Grand Canyon in April.

I think it was late March/early April when we visited a few years ago. It snowed and you could barely see down into the canyon. Unfortunately we were on a schedule and couldn't stay 'til the next day to see if it cleared up.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 05, 2023 01:46 PM (nfrXX)

59 22 But I wanted to point out one thing that the Federal Government does still seem to get right, at least for the moment.

I hear you about the Navajo, but at least here in PA I prefer the state-run national parks to the fed ones. our state does a great job and during COVID they kept everything pretty much open which was nice. the fed ones were "closed." we also have a few private parks (run by conservancies you can join) and those are the absolute best.

FedGov isn't the only option and they have downsides too - as in the nasty government is apt to close them in punishment.

Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 05, 2023 01:46 PM (w0NJk)

60 With the exception of a couple dudes who were probably having a bad day, I've found Park personnel to be very approachable and interesting to chat with.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2023 01:46 PM (anj39)

61 And yes, Dave, the National Parks and National Monuments are incredible to visit. Some are *fairly* new. In '93 I visited Guadalupe Mountains Nat'l Park in Texas, right across the NM border from Carlsbad Caverns (they are both part of the same mountain chain). But my 1968 atlas doesn't show it -- because it was only established in '67.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2023 01:47 PM (J2vNu)

62 oh and btw we recently had to fight the FedGov attempting to buy some of our state parks. I think we lost one battle there and people locally are not happy.

Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 05, 2023 01:47 PM (w0NJk)

63 A focus on litter was the only thing I noticed..
--------

Please tell me that Woodsy Owl the fey is no longer around.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 05, 2023 01:47 PM (hjwuP)

64 8th vote now starting...

And Las Vegas is a beautiful area if you leave the casinos and go see it. I loved my trip there in 2021. Didn't gamble a dime.

And if you want the best value food - go to the Black Sheep.

Posted by: Nova local at January 05, 2023 01:47 PM (exHjb)

65 Thomas Massie's proposal would remove that threat from the calculation. Republicans must make this happen. ...
Posted by: Half Dozen at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (c7HsI)
++++
If you assume that the government ought to function and actually fight over important things while letting the essentials ride on cruise control during times of conflict, his plan makes a great deal of sense.

Ain't no chance, no way, no how, that it ever happens.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2023 01:47 PM (t0OGg)

66 It isn't just the National parks that are pretty amazing. The is huge swathes of BLM land that is accessible as well.

There are no services provided, it is just publicly owned/accessible land that often have barely serviceable roads, but I've seen some incredible places bike-packing through BLM land.

Posted by: ghbucky at January 05, 2023 01:47 PM (/xDbx)

67 Fruit of the poisoned tree...the guy should go scot-free.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (ufFY

Only that evidence, or evidence that was discovered because of the stop, will be inadmissible.

But, this is just showing us Citizens we don't have rights anymore... its all about the power of the State.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 05, 2023 01:47 PM (oHd/0)

68 46- if they had probable cause to arrest for murder, a pretextual stop would not be a civil liberties violation, so not me, anyway.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 05, 2023 01:47 PM (5B+J1)

69 LOL so it happened.

A man in Ecuador went transgender to "female" in order to take advantage of parental rights for custody of children.

"The laws say that the one who has the right is the woman. As of this moment, I am female. Now I'm also a mom, that's how I consider myself,"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 01:47 PM (0hOvj)

70
The Buffalo Bill museum in Cody is a must see. It is not a podunk tourist trap. They have one of every firearm made in the United States.
The place is huge and there is so much history there.

Posted by: four seasons at January 05, 2023 01:48 PM (ichPI)

71 The ghost of Levoy Finicum would like to have a little talk with you.

Pulled over, gunned down by Feds as he is going to an appointment with a Sherrif.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 05, 2023 01:46 PM (oHd/0)

His wikipedia page is quite strident.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 01:48 PM (zZu0s)

72 First the cost of entry is higher (even accounting for inflation) than when I was a kid, but the price was still fair and affordable

A fair statement but for how many services that the federal government provides does the government charge a fee reasonable or not?

And the answer is services that go to the productive class YOU have to pay for. Services and handouts to the government class/dependent class are generally free

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 01:48 PM (lc5cP)

73 "The actual driving range of Tesla vehicles drops in cold weather by up to 50.5% compared to what was being advertised online, Reuters also reported, citing the Korean agency."

I wonder if they could get out of that by saying "No That' the warm weather range. We haven't actually tested it in cold weather."

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 05, 2023 01:48 PM (zhZcn)

74 66 There are no services provided, it is just publicly owned/accessible land that often have barely serviceable roads, but I've seen some incredible places bike-packing through BLM land.
Posted by: ghbucky at January 05, 2023 01:47 PM (/xDbx)

========

And then BLM starting burning down Minneapolis...

Same BLM, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 01:48 PM (LvTSG)

75
Um, considering the usage of various Dem presidents to declare very valuable mineral deposits 'National Parks'- or the way these were administered during the Chinese Lung AIDS Apocalypse, I disagree Dave.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

National Monuments. NMs can be declared by Executive Order, but National Parks require Congressional action.

Which is why there's been an explosion of NMs declared in the last 30 years or so, and hardly any new NPs.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 05, 2023 01:48 PM (n+4am)

76 I've found Park personnel to be very approachable and interesting to chat with.

Posted by: Diogenes

That is true. Every NP that I have visited has had personnel that knew a great deal about their park, and were happy to talk about it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023 01:49 PM (lTGtQ)

77 >41 And Dave in 2013 the Park Service was the most jarring and ridiculous of the federal entities during the "shut down" - blocking view overlooks on public roads at parks in the west, and my favorite, spending extra $$ to rent barriers to block access to (the normally open, un-manned) WWII memorial in DC, so that aged veterans on their one trip to see it could not get in.
---
Same thing happened during the Kung Flu. NPS shut down Valley Forge. I parked across the street from a trail head, hopped the barrier to go for a run, park service drone told me I couldn't be there...flipped him off and told him if he can catch me he can ticket me. Lard ass never even got outta his truck.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 05, 2023 01:49 PM (NgqoH)

78 Thanks Teddy Roosevelt!
(and others, John Muir, et al)

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 05, 2023 01:49 PM (jTmQV)

79 Wyoming is indeed beautiful, in the west. The eastern side is less so, though I did visit Cheyenne and saw the one tree.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023

***
That eternal wind blew it down.

As for Cheyenne, I visited it on Memorial Day weekend in '98. It was closed.

(I'd still rather go there than any place in Da Swamp.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2023 01:49 PM (J2vNu)

80 Didn't the shops at Gettysburg remove all Confederate flags and etc years ago? That was also a chef's kiss move by the Khmer Rouge mentality degrading the country. National park, right?

Posted by: rhomboid at January 05, 2023 01:49 PM (OTzUX)

81 National parks are white supremacist land stolen from indigenous pure earth people - says every woke dolt

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 05, 2023 01:49 PM (11zNb)

82 Dave-

Can you highlight any guides or info for those of us interested in these parks? I am a complete neophyte in these regards but would love to visit Zion/Bryce.

Posted by: Luigi'sIndexFinger at January 05, 2023 01:49 PM (3zin8)

83 The actual driving range of Tesla vehicles drops in cold weather by up to 50.5% compared to what was being advertised online, Reuters also reported, citing the Korean agency

"BUT ONLY TESLAS, NOT ANY OTHER EV!!!!"
--establishment media

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 01:50 PM (0hOvj)

84 I like parks quite a bit. I have noticed a STRONG pro-Indian and anti-white bias on most of the 'historical site' signage you see in the NW and Mountain West though.

National Park rangers can be a mixed bag.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 05, 2023 01:50 PM (pyVNc)

85 The Buffalo Bill museum in Cody is a must see. It is not a podunk tourist trap. They have one of every firearm made in the United States.
The place is huge and there is so much history there.
Posted by: four seasons at January 05, 2023 01:48 PM (ichPI)

Used to visit on Free Day for the Locals, which was just before the Memorial Day weekend. Loved going there. A lot to see, so it takes some time.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Gen X Ne'er-Do-Well at January 05, 2023 01:50 PM (xPJvm)

86 Biden’s agenda, lithium mine, tribes, greens collide in Reno

Posted by: SMOD at January 05, 2023 01:50 PM (RHGPo)

87 Teddy Roosevelt's legacy.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 01:38 PM (lf83v)

A good Conservationist.
Posted by: Really Zombie Benedict Arnold

Teddy was a Progressive that paved the way for the Racist Patrician Woodrow Wilson who segregated the US Government and cheered on the rebirth of the Klan.

the Teddy - Taft war also gave us Prohibition, and Wilson's fascist behavior in WWI, where he harassed and jailed any anti-war opposition. Wilson ran on "He Kept us Out of War," and promptly declared war less than a month after his Second Inauguration.

There is a reason Teddy is the Democrat's favorite Republican President

Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:50 PM (qoDr0)

88 I won a permit to the Wave in Arizona for March on my first try. A major bank or financial conglomerate, can't remember which, runs the lottery to get these permits.
The application fee is 9 dollars. Doesn't sound like much does it? Except you don't get it back whatever the outcome, and some people have been applying every month for years without winning.
Money doesn't even go to maintaining anything. You still pay a separate fee for the actual permit if you win the lottery. And there's no lt actually a real trail there anyway! There's nothing to maintain.

Corporate grift finds itself well embedded in the NPS too.

Posted by: FIB agent Brandon at January 05, 2023 01:50 PM (S90rQ)

89 The National Park Service does a great job at the USS Arizona site in Pearl Harbor. The park ranger, Dan (?) Martinez is quite famous for his knowledge. A point of pride for the NPS.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 01:51 PM (lf83v)

90 Fun fact: Mackinac Island was the country’s second national park, after Yellowstone. But it’s a Michigan State Park now.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2023 01:51 PM (5uVyC)

91 The FBI ordered the Indiana State Police to pull Kohlberger over, and the ISP performed pretext stops. Is anyone a little concerned about that little violation of civil liberties?
Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (qoDr0)

I saw this morning that one of the surviving roommates is now saying she heard something and went out into the hallway and saw this guy, got spooked and locked herself in her room. So now I really don't get why nobody called 911 until noon the next day.

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 05, 2023 01:51 PM (DRSnL)

92 Which is why there's been an explosion of NMs declared in the last 30 years or so, and hardly any new NPs.

Yeah its all political. Congress needs to change that law so that presidents cannot, for political reasons, lock off huge swaths of land to punish certain corporate entities or prevent drilling for oil.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 01:51 PM (0hOvj)

93 No, there's no poisoned tree here. If I have probable cause to arrest you, but lie and say I stopped you because of jay walking, the bloody knife I find in your pocket, after you grant me permission to pat you down "for our safety" isn't tainted. Cops are allowed to lie and use subterfuge in an investigation.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 05, 2023 01:51 PM (5B+J1)

94 The last time I bought an annual NP pass, good for unlimited entry to all parks for a year, it was $80. That is a fantastic deal for a family.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023 01:51 PM (lTGtQ)

95 That is true. Every NP that I have visited has had personnel that knew a great deal about their park, and were happy to talk about it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023 01:49 PM (lTGtQ)

77 >41 And Dave in 2013 the Park Service was the most jarring and ridiculous of the federal entities during the "shut down" - blocking view overlooks on public roads at parks in the west, and my favorite, spending extra $$ to rent barriers to block access to (the normally open, un-manned) WWII memorial in DC, so that aged veterans on their one trip to see it could not get in.
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Same thing happened during the Kung Flu. NPS shut down Valley Forge. I parked across the street from a trail head, hopped the barrier to go for a run, park service drone told me I couldn't be there...flipped him off and told him if he can catch me he can ticket me. Lard ass never even got outta his truck.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 05, 2023 01:49 PM (NgqoH)

These are two examples of what I mean NPS rangers being a 'mixed bag'.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 05, 2023 01:51 PM (pyVNc)

96 Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:50 PM (qoDr0)

Yes, but Teddy did order a Naval bombardment of NYC.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2023 01:51 PM (Y5qcH)

97 87 There is a reason Teddy is the Democrat's favorite Republican President
Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:50 PM (qoDr0)

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Teddy's presidency was largely fine. His post-presidency was an active disaster that sought to make America a worse place.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 01:51 PM (LvTSG)

98 His wikipedia page is quite strident.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 01:48 PM (zZu0s)

Had not considered it before... but there is evidence that the Feds are not just meeting with Google, Twitter, and Facebooks... but is also meeting with Wikipedia...

So, that does not surprise me a bit.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (oHd/0)

99 Dolley and I are going to the Grand Canyon in April.

Looking forward to it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 01:38 PM (LvTSG)

If you are able, enter from the east side. You'll see just a wee bit of the Painted Desert in the distance before entering the Canyon land. Then once you're inside the grounds of the Canyon, there are several vantage points to stop and view on your way to the "main" spot at the south rim. Most people seem to enter from the south and only hit the one vantage point view. It's stunning, no doubt -- but it's not the only place to view the majesty of the Canyon. Also -- try to be there for a long time so you can experience different locations / amounts of sunlight. The colors of the Canyon walls change a lot throughout the day.

Posted by: Doof at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (yYFOV)

100 I think your view of NPS is reasonable, but you might shift it some if you looked under the hood a little closer.

It is regrettable but entrance fees go to the "general fund" (or they used to anyway) and the various parks would grovel for crumbs in return from our overlords.

Should their be entrance fees? I don't think so. Illegal aliens don't pay one entering US soil, and they roam the whole damn country. It's just antiquated custom, a legacy from a long ago vanished time.

Their campsite reservation and back country permit system is completely FUBAR as well. I think they have outsourced it to a for-profit private contractor. So we get to pay twice, over and over. There are computerized "Bot" programs to try and score coveted campsites and reservations.

Even decades I noticed lots of "no shows" that people had reserved months in advance.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (kL9Oc)

101 That's why it's always the first thing to be locked down during "government shutdown" battles.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2023 01:37 PM (t0OGg)

Just like when a local school bond fails. The first thing the govies do is cut music programs and sports. The point is the punish the people, and look like they are taking drastic measures.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (anj39)

102 91 The FBI ordered the Indiana State Police to pull Kohlberger over, and the ISP performed pretext stops. Is anyone a little concerned about that little violation of civil liberties?
Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (qoDr0)

I saw this morning that one of the surviving roommates is now saying she heard something and went out into the hallway and saw this guy, got spooked and locked herself in her room. So now I really don't get why nobody called 911 until noon the next day.
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 05, 2023 01:51 PM (DRSnL)

Fear/catatonia...or lying...

Posted by: Nova local at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (exHjb)

103 When I was a young father I worked at TxDOT. We had two boys about three years apart. I got paid very little but one of my perks was never having to work in August because as a salaried employee I had to take my comp time by the end of August or lose it.

August was travel time for me and the boys. We did every cave and cavern in Texas. Balmorea, Ft. Davis, Carlsbad, Chiricahua Mountains in Arizona. Drove through Western Colorado, Reno, Tahoe, San Francisco and then down the coast.

The trips always ended at the Kellogg's La Jolla Beach & Tennis Club in San Diego, where DanMa'am's family stayed for August. Sometimes she made the whole trip but usually she flew out for a week because she didn't get a month off. Fun fun times.

Posted by: DanMan at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (DB6tu)

104 Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) added a new name to the House speaker fight on Thursday, voting for former President Trump on the 7th ballot.

.. we all knew this was coming

Posted by: SMOD at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (RHGPo)

105 99 Also -- try to be there for a long time so you can experience different locations / amounts of sunlight. The colors of the Canyon walls change a lot throughout the day.
Posted by: Doof at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (yYFOV)

=========

*knows this is a ploy to get me killed by roving bands of desperadoes*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (LvTSG)

106
So, this is a little political, but it got willowed, and its hilarious, so I'm going with it being fair game.

Whig pointed up a link to a DM article about Luntz' bizarre Presidential-themed bugger dungeon where he puts up McCarthy in a severely hetero life-partner arrangement.

Aside from the creepy replicas of the Oval Office and the Lincoln Bedroom, he keeps a replica of Monica Lewinsky's jizzrag dress in that place.

I... I just can't even. You know he wears that thing in the "Oval Office" when it's cigar time with Big Kev, right?

I wonder if he also has a Clinton wig for Kevin, too. Nvmd, no I don't. I'm positive he does.

Our ruling class is so weird it just beggars belief.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 05, 2023 01:53 PM (oINRc)

107 I'm reading through the police affidavit RE the Idaho student killers and I'm a bit worried.

One phrase in particular stands out. The Idaho state lab later located a single source of male DNA (suspect Profile) left on the button snap of the knife sheath.

Is this just a term of art meaning they matched the DNA to the suspect? If so, it's very awkward. The way they worded it, it sounds like they could only confirm the sample came from a male.

If that's the case, the proof they have the right guy seems damn thin. They've got latent shoe prints that appear to be Vans, which are extremely common. They've got video of a very common car. They've got a witness who ran into the suspect in the house past four in the morning and who was probably very surprised and likely didn't get a clear look at him.

Affidavit here:
https://bit.ly/3ZbuZMm

Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2023 01:53 PM (eyxn4)

108 National Parks ?
Another example of socialism.

Why should my taxes go to places that I never use?
I have my own vacation spot.
I don't want to have to pay for vacation places that poor people use

Posted by: Paul at January 05, 2023 01:53 PM (/5nU7)

109 but the price was still fair and affordable

Can't say I agree with this. Sure the actual entry fee is relatively low. But the overall cost of a trip to one of these places generally is not. It's not really a middle-class vacation option, at least not for the part of the middle class I grew up in.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 05, 2023 01:53 PM (ppBhU)

110 Teddy Rosevelt helped pave the way to an Imperial Presidency. He was way more leftist than I like.

But at least he wasn't a fucking pussy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at January 05, 2023 01:54 PM (pyVNc)

111 Had not considered it before... but there is evidence that the Feds are not just meeting with Google, Twitter, and Facebooks... but is also meeting with Wikipedia...

So, that does not surprise me a bit.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (oHd/0)

Wiki has always been sus when you are looking up any topic even vaguely related to politics/climate change/etc.

I seem to remember looking up a historical battle (I am talking middle ages or prior) and the article was also stuffed full of climate change nonsense.

Really? Xenophon had more to worry about than a few snail darters.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 01:54 PM (zZu0s)

112 If the gov gets it right, then there is a direct incentive for them to get it right.

Posted by: ... at January 05, 2023 01:54 PM (mL7F3)

113 I note that on the East Coast, there are very few large forest fires... yet West of Denver? Yearly... why? If you personally own the land, you make sure it aint gonna burn down... Fed Gov owned land? They don't care.
Posted by: Romeo13

Point taken but it's a lot dryer West of Denver than the East Coast with periods of drought. Has there ever been a period of drought in the Adirondacks? Like ever?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (IyrhE)

114 Government-owned land is getting it right?

Seems like that view should make all others suspect.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (b306O)

115 Nice photos!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (Kd4bG)

116 >>I've found Park personnel to be very approachable and interesting to chat with.

When we did the family camping trip we stayed mostly in the national park camping areas. Spectacular views to go to bed with and wake up to.

And at least back then most of the camping areas had a little gathering area and one of the park rangers would come buy most nights to give a talk and answer questions about the park. It was really great and those guys seemed to know everything about the park they worked in.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (ZLI7S)

117 *knows this is a ploy to get me killed by roving bands of desperadoes*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 01:52 PM (LvTSG)

LOL! Making you paranoid -- my schemes are working!

Posted by: Doof at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (yYFOV)

118 "If that's the case, the proof they have the right guy seems damn thin. "

Jury selection for that trial is going to be lit.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (zhZcn)

119 and the ISP performed pretext stops. Is anyone a little concerned about that little violation of civil liberties?
==
Well, you phrased the question as if there was no reason to pull him over. There was a traffic related reason for pulling him over. You may not like it, but following too closely is a citeable offense and they can cite. So . . . yes, they had another reason for pulling him over. Yes, they were looking for him for that other reason. If they are following you for a reason, and see you do something that is citeable they can get up in your grill. So they can't follow suspects now? At some point, some of y'all just going to have to admit you are in an insurrection mode. I get it, but I'm not there.

Posted by: I'm not Billy Jack or anything at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (E7pFI)

120 And then BLM starting burning down Minneapolis...

Same BLM, right?
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Bureau of Land Management, afaik that BLM hasn't burned down any cities...

Posted by: ghbucky at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (/xDbx)

121 Don't feel bad about the monument valley Navajo. They kind of have a mafia style operation going, where they grift tourists to take their "tours." I know people do enjoy getting into the nitty gritty, but unless you absolutely have to get up close and personal with it, you can experience monument valley from the main road through.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (GMywc)

122 >But the trails and campgrounds and parks are getting run down because they need the money for basketball tournaments and light rail for Portland and pensions for SAIF employees and on and on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (0hOvj)

Camping in the state campgrounds is getting to be untenable, between the insane overcrowding, the requirement to book 6 to 12 months in advance, and the loads of degenerates that show up.

Last place I went camping in Oregon was in the area near the National Antelope Refuge, which is hundreds of miles from BFE, and it didn't have those problems. Those who go out that far are serious.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (fS+AK)

123 @zerohedge · 40m
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Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 05, 2023 01:56 PM (Vwz3I)

124 120 And then BLM starting burning down Minneapolis...

Same BLM, right?
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Bureau of Land Management, afaik that BLM hasn't burned down any cities...
Posted by: ghbucky at January 05, 2023 01:55 PM (/xDbx)

=========

Theory:

Black Lives Matter is the militant wing of the Bureau of Land Management.

Discuss.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 01:56 PM (LvTSG)

125 Jan 16th, Apr 22nd, Aug 4th, Sep 23rd, and Nov 11th.

What do all these dates have in common? You can get into the national parks for free.

https://bit.ly/3GHDpDT

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2023 01:56 PM (Bd6X8)

126 EVs are great in theory.

When I can charge up an EV in the same time it takes to refill my gas tank? If I can run the heater full blast on a below zero day, and still get to where I need to go?

Maybe I will buy an EV then. All it takes is for the EV to violate a couple Law of Thermodynamics, and a half dozen laws of physics too.

Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:56 PM (qoDr0)

127 Generally, government does a better job the less it has to do.

Maintain land that (for the most part) takes care of itself, keep the utilities going, police the unruly. That's most of what the Interior Department does with national parks.

The vendor operations are mostly handled by contractors for a profit.

Does anyone remember the weeping and wailing when the Reagan Administration ended "free" access to national parks, imposing user fees?

Overnight, the parks improved. Riff-raff found other places to trash, and the staff felt empowered, like owners instead of tenants.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at January 05, 2023 01:56 PM (pYAcR)

128 I used to go to the Golden Trout Wilderness for 2-3 weeks, sometimes a month

Horse, mule, my dog , weapons and me

not the most profitable time but the best time of my life

lotsa trout, grouse and fun

Posted by: REDACTED at January 05, 2023 01:56 PM (us2H3)

129 Retard sure whups the shit outta that strawman.

*pats Retard on head*

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at January 05, 2023 01:57 PM (fS+AK)

130 >>> If the gov gets it right, then there is a direct incentive for them to get it right.
Posted by: ... at January 05, 2023 01:54 PM (mL7F3)

Yep. If social security worked nobody would need it. If welfare worked nobody would need it. Same for food stamps. The list goes on.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 05, 2023 01:57 PM (0fVbu)

131 That's why it's always the first thing to be locked down during "government shutdown" battles.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 05, 2023 01:37 PM (t0OGg)

Always think of the park rangers telling a buss load of foreign tourists in a park "No recreating" when the visitors started taking photos. Got to laugh.

Posted by: Javems at January 05, 2023 01:57 PM (NleZG)

132 Aw, darn...typo. Oh well gonna deal with it.

Wait a second...Dave wrote this...and Dave and I both use OpenBlogger...

What typo?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 01:57 PM (LvTSG)

133
Poor people don't vacation in National Parks, douchebag. If you've ever been to one, you'd know that.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 05, 2023 01:57 PM (n+4am)

134 There is a reason Teddy is the Democrat's favorite Republican President
Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:50 PM (qoDr0)

He also made the anti-monopoly laws a tool to selectively persecute the supporters of the opposition

Posted by: Kindltot at January 05, 2023 01:57 PM (xhaym)

135 "Black Lives Matter is the militant wing of the Bureau of Land Management."

Hmmm.... Urban conflagration as a re-wilding practice?

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 05, 2023 01:58 PM (zhZcn)

136 Been to most of the parks but never in winter. Great pics Dave!

Posted by: dartist at January 05, 2023 01:58 PM (9X/y4)

137 "First the cost of entry is higher (even accounting for inflation) than when I was a kid, but the price was still fair and affordable."

I encourage all to look into an "America the Beautiful Pass". It is $80 for a LIFETIME pass, and it includes all National Parks and others run by the Feds. Army Corps of Engineers, for example. It gets you free admission for the carload, and discounted add-ons on items such as camping, boat launch, etc.

The only thing is that you must be (29X2)+4 to get one.

Posted by: Gunslinger at January 05, 2023 01:58 PM (R2gO3)

138 Which was the NP out west where there was much ado about putting up signs documenting the disappearing glacier which they later had to remove because the glacier came roaring back?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 05, 2023 01:58 PM (BTgKJ)

139 Visiting Philadelphia in August of this year, the "Slavery!!!" guilt-trip propaganda was slathered on pretty thick. We visited much of the historical buildings, and associated places. Every explanatory placard had at least one reference to "Slavery!!!" on it, and it got almost comical after a while.

Posted by: Brewingfrog at January 05, 2023 01:58 PM (GkzDd)

140 when the government say they created a national park

80% of people take it literally

Posted by: REDACTED at January 05, 2023 01:58 PM (us2H3)

141 Make sure the drop into the ranger station to get the full-court press on climate change and racial "equity." You'll remember vey quickly it's the feds running it.

Posted by: brak at January 05, 2023 01:59 PM (lO5WT)

142 As for messaging: when Was POTUS park service employees were told not to answer any questions concerning the age of the canyon for fear of triggering Christians who believe the Earth is only 6000 years old

Posted by: Paul at January 05, 2023 01:59 PM (/5nU7)

143
Oh man, I went back and looked at President Luntz' Oval Office. He has Clinton's drapes, and Obama's wallpaper in there.

He *really* loves Democrats.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 05, 2023 01:59 PM (oINRc)

144 113 frequently here in the Catskills we get pretty good size (relative concept) wildfires during dry periods of summer

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 05, 2023 01:59 PM (11zNb)

145 > The actual driving range of Tesla vehicles drops in cold weather by up to 50.5% compared to what was being advertised online, Reuters also reported, citing the Korean agency.

AAA said range dropped 41% at 20 degrees if you have the cabin heater on. But that's true of ALL the electric vehicles they tested.

https://tinyurl.com/w68pe2an

Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2023 01:59 PM (eyxn4)

146 I remember when Sarah Palin's Wikipedia page changed within like half hour of her announcement as VP candidate.

It had been a standard bio page taking about her life and high approval rating etc.

Then she gets announced and suddenly there's a section labeled State Trooper Scandal and it was some story about a relative that they were trying to tie back to her. It was there within minutes. I know because I had been watching the page. This is 2007 mind you.

Posted by: ... at January 05, 2023 02:00 PM (mL7F3)

147 At one time I was going to major in forestry and become a federal park ranger. Then i saw the curriculum.

Posted by: Javems at January 05, 2023 02:00 PM (NleZG)

148 A year ago the Grand Canyon was covered in mask propaganda. Outside. Everyone ignored it except my sister's family (liberals from CT).

Posted by: Rochelle, Rochelle (formerly Roxanne, Roxanne) at January 05, 2023 02:00 PM (szWS4)

149 >>Poor people don't vacation in National Parks, douchebag. If you've ever been to one, you'd know that.

For further proof see the clientele at Cruz Bay National Park in St John. Not a poors in the neighborhood other than some of the locals.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2023 02:00 PM (ZLI7S)

150 Who painted the Painted Desert?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 05, 2023 02:00 PM (63Dwl)

151 @zerohedge · 40m
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Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 05, 2023 01:56 PM (Vwz3I)

Ah come on, Frank, it's true. I was nobody. But that don't matter either, you know? 'Cause I was thinkin', it really don't matter if I lose this fight. It really don't matter if this guy opens my head, either. 'Cause all I wanna do is go the distance. Nobody's ever gone the distance to be Speaker, and if I can go that distance, you see, and that bell rings after 15 rounds and I'm still standin', I'm gonna know for the first time in my life, see, that I weren't just another bum from the neighborhood.

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy at January 05, 2023 02:00 PM (4I/2K)

152 The only thing is that you must be (29X2)+4 to get one.

Posted by: Gunslinger at January 05, 2023 01:58 PM (R2gO3)

So AtC is out.

Posted by: ... at January 05, 2023 02:01 PM (mL7F3)

153 123 @zerohedge · 40m
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Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I)
_________________________

Trump is a good idea man, but the Speaker needs to be a detail oriented tactician too.

But Trump as Speaker would smoke out the GOPe and start a war with the Deep State, the Democrats, Media, and the loonies.

Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 02:01 PM (qoDr0)

154 Have done some of the UT parks, several more to do, but for Lost Wages the priority is to do the tour of the National Test Site (nukes). The museum (recently moved from just off The Strip, I think) was quite good, they have bus tours to the Site monthly, or something. But they fill up fast.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 05, 2023 02:01 PM (OTzUX)

155 It's not a Fed park, but Palo Duro Canyon State Park in TC, near Amarillo, is gorgeous -- the second largest canyon in the lower 48 states, I think. The Comanche Indians used it for winter quarters. Hot even in late May, but dry at least. The closest town, Canyon, has a branch of Texas A & M University, plus the usual places that serve the students. When I went in 2014, there was at least one used bookstore. (Didn't have air-conditioning. I thought that was insane.)

Fun fact: Georgia O'Keeffe taught at the Normal College there in 1916-1918, and painted watercolors of the landscape.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2023 02:01 PM (J2vNu)

156 Who painted the Painted Desert?
_______

Benjamin Moore.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 02:01 PM (lf83v)

157 Sure. Except even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. I don't know what the alternative would be to government owned and run parks, but I virtually guarantee it would still be better.

Posted by: deadrody at January 05, 2023 02:01 PM (kYmXc)

158 "Who painted the Painted Desert?"

If it's anything like road cuts in Western Washington, fraternity and sorority members traveling between Pullman and Seattle.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 05, 2023 02:01 PM (zhZcn)

159 Trump is a good idea man, but the Speaker needs to be a detail oriented tactician too.

But Trump as Speaker would smoke out the GOPe and start a war with the Deep State, the Democrats, Media, and the loonies.

Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 02:01 PM (qoDr0)

You are sending me mixed messages here, man.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 02:01 PM (zZu0s)

160 I took my wife to the Buffalo Bill Musuem in Cody, WY. She enjoyed it. However, me spending time in the firearms portion almost bored her to tears. I'm used to that. You should see me at air shows with her!

Posted by: Archer at January 05, 2023 02:02 PM (gmo/4)

161 How much for a Taft-sized bath tub?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 05, 2023 02:02 PM (44ww/)

162 Visiting Philadelphia in August of this year, the "Slavery!!!" guilt-trip propaganda was slathered on pretty thick. We visited much of the historical buildings, and associated places. Every explanatory placard had at least one reference to "Slavery!!!" on it, and it got almost comical after a while.
Posted by: Brewingfrog at January 05, 2023 01:58 PM (GkzDd)

Did you get a load of the gay monument at the Liberty Bell site?

Guess Elton John meant something different by "Philadelphia Freedom."

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at January 05, 2023 02:02 PM (pYAcR)

163 About halfway through the list of National Parks
Got to five last year.
Glacier and Zion our favorites.
Echo your sentiments that parks are wonderful and affordable if getting to them is not too costly (gas, airfare)

Posted by: Bruce at January 05, 2023 02:02 PM (TcWmL)

164
How much for a Taft-sized bath tub?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 05, 2023 02:02 PM (44ww/)

I bet Luntz has one.

And he, too, gets stuck in it - IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 05, 2023 02:02 PM (oINRc)

165 Often a troll's attempt at reductio ad absurdum becomes Ego sum stultus.

Posted by: banana Dream rockin' a toga at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (0fVbu)

166 I dated a guy that hiked down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and back. There is a gift shop at the bottom, that sells a special tee just for those that make the trek. He proudly wore it in his shirt rotation.

Kudos to the gift shop workers that man that post every day! Though I assume they can go by donkey or something and not by foot.

Posted by: LizLem at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (+mkOR)

167 161 How much for a Taft-sized bath tub?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 05, 2023 02:02 PM (44ww/)

I almost guarantee that we would probably not consider Taft that fat.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (zZu0s)

168 Same thing happened during the Kung Flu. NPS shut down Valley Forge

yep

but the state parks were open, and the private ones here in Chesco were as well. it's why I always donate to the Conservancy now (you don't have to, you can use all these parks for free).

we went to Gettysburg a BUNCH during the lockdown and it was open so if that's national, it was left alone? I'm not sure it's fully national tho. who cares what the townies/shopkeepers do, they're weird over there.

Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (w0NJk)

169 As I mentioned the other day, the worst thing about national parks is how overrun with rude foreigners they are.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (GMywc)

170 I'm watching a video where Sydney Watson and Pearl Davis are debating feminism with 8 crazy feminists and after the cray cray horde all decide that being a woman throws up barriers Pearl drops "What's stopping you from doing whatever you want as a woman?" None of them can answer and you can see the anger growing until the handicapped feminist chimes in with "I'm handicapped".

Now that might be true but...you'll notice has nothing to do with the original topic.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (lc5cP)

171 The Wright Brothers National Historic Site in the Outer Banks is fantastic. The ranger who gave the lecture on their first flight really knew his stuff and was a great speaker.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (5uVyC)

172 I grew up relatively close to Yellowstone as the crow flies but those pesky Beartooth mountains were between me and the park.

Yellowstone wasn't a big draw for me because I had access to hundreds of thousands acres of wilderness and wild lands. No need to go to Yellowstone and sit in a traffic jam to watch wildlife.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (PX01u)

173 Vegas, baby. Should be a national park.
We could call it Lost Wages National Park.

Posted by: wth at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (v0R5T)

174 frequently here in the Catskills we get pretty good size (relative concept) wildfires during dry periods of summer
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 05, 2023 01:59 PM (11zNb)

Yeah, but your Governor doesn't insist that it be allowed to burn itself out eventually wiping out two small towns because it originated in a wilderness area and no roads could be allowed to be cut to give access to crews and equipment, and by the time it could be reached by existing roads it was too big to contain.

The smoke plume shut out the sun to Salem for nearly a week. Yay. Zero impact.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 05, 2023 02:04 PM (xhaym)

175 And here's the thing with McCarthy and the speakership - he's making "concessions", but is there anything that stops him from revoking those changes a day after the vote ? No, I don't think there is. And who would enforce them if there were ? Nobody.

McCarthy cannot be speaker. Its that simple. They can vote for all eternity and it should not change.

Posted by: deadrody at January 05, 2023 02:04 PM (kYmXc)

176 Nav-a-ho is the new escort service app.

Don't know where tha hoes at? Just use Nav-a-ho!

Posted by: Good for in-calls AND out-calls! at January 05, 2023 02:04 PM (s2na+)

177 Glacier National Park. I would say everyone should have to drive through there once in the busy season.

Weed out the riffraff.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 02:04 PM (zZu0s)

178 157 Sure. Except even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. I don't know what the alternative would be to government owned and run parks, but I virtually guarantee it would still be better.
Posted by: deadrody at January 05, 2023 02:01 PM (kYmXc)

I saw a squirrel with no tail yesterday. I bet he has a story to tell.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 05, 2023 02:04 PM (Y5qcH)

179 None of them can answer and you can see the anger growing until the handicapped feminist chimes in with "I'm handicapped".

They did a lot of deflecting and attacking her at that point.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 02:04 PM (0hOvj)

180 I used to go to the Golden Trout Wilderness for 2-3 weeks, sometimes a month

Horse, mule, my dog , weapons and me

not the most profitable time but the best time of my life

lotsa trout, grouse and fun
Posted by: REDACTED at January 05, 2023 01:56 PM (us2H3)
***
Ditto.
Huckleberry Creek near Mt Rainier.
Excellent times.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2023 02:04 PM (anj39)

181 Thanks for the post, Dave in Fla. I appreciate all the COBS filling in so that Ace can get a rest or go to remedial shelving school-whichever the case may be, and I like to see the different posts from COBS who normally stick to one or more topics. You show whole other sides to your characters that way.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 05, 2023 02:04 PM (D+F6R)

182 #138 that's what I referenced up above - Glacier Nat. Park I believe.

And yes the mask/scientific illiteracy nonsense was fully embraced by the park people at the local national monument. Just one guy - some kind of armed security, which I found odd but that's a separate question - pooh-pooh'd it and laughed when I made some reference to masks being worn by people in a big outdoor space buffeted by ocean breezes, when there were like 25 people in the entire area. He laughed knowingly, and wasn't wearing a mask himself.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 05, 2023 02:05 PM (OTzUX)

183

Beartooth,

I agree with you. We have moose walking our streets here. Saves on travel costs, lol.

Posted by: four seasons at January 05, 2023 02:05 PM (ichPI)

184 Thomas Massie's proposal would remove that threat from the calculation. Republicans must make this happen.

https://twitter.com/themattbeebe/status/
1604146079628496896
Posted by: Half Dozen at January 05, 2023 01:45 PM (c7HsI

Best part is that it automatically shrinks the size of government over time if they cannot come to an agreement.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (GYIa4)

185 There was a brief government 'shutdown' 2013 (I think), near Halloween, while I was touring Salem, MA. O & Joe's administration ordered all federal park and recreational sites shutdown, which included the Salem Marine National Historical Site.

Worse was that every public bathroom associated with the federal sites was padlocked, ergo touring became a nightmare. (However, after a lot of confusion, the City of Salem put a Spotapot or two on its main street until federal services were restored.)

The field 'workers' (which were few & far between in the past) for the Department of the Interior, National Park Service, coupled with many volunteers, do a very nice job.

Beautiful pictures, nice thread, Dave in Fla.

Posted by: Lola at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (p39Z2)

186 >>I dated a guy that hiked down to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and back. There is a gift shop at the bottom, that sells a special tee just for those that make the trek. He proudly wore it in his shirt rotation.

My mom, sister and I hiked halfway done and back. Neither my mom nor sister have a problem with heights and had a ball. I, on the other hand, did not have as much fun.

But I deserve a t-shirt for making it that far.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (ZLI7S)

187 170 None of them can answer and you can see the anger growing until the handicapped feminist chimes in with "I'm handicapped".

Now that might be true but...you'll notice has nothing to do with the original topic.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (lc5cP)

========

"NASA won't let me be an astronaut because I'm a woman, also because I have no legs and am dumb as a rock, but mostly because I'm a woman."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (LvTSG)

188 Who painted the Painted Desert?
_______

Benjamin Moore.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot
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I think not:
https://tinyurl.com/2gaetmvs

Posted by: Sherwin Williams at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (uanMf)

189 Paul hates poor people and Christians.

Why so bigoted, Paul?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (5pTK/)

190 https://tinyurl.com/yzuut572

Well, ok, maybe he is in the Jerry Nadler club- before HFCS was in everything!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (zZu0s)

191 They did a lot of deflecting and attacking her at that point.

Yeah they tried to go down the route of "you are too pretty to have an opinion" which is odd. Pearl isn't ugly but she's not particularly pretty either and a couple of the crazy feminists would be prettier then her if they didn't make themselves ugly...and more importantly the whole argument is stupid to begin with who cares if you are pretty or not if your argument is correct?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (lc5cP)

192
I encourage all to look into an "America the Beautiful Pass". It is $80 for a LIFETIME pass, and it includes all National Parks and others run by the Feds. Army Corps of Engineers, for example.

America the Beautiful - National Parks and Federal Recreational Lands Pass - Annual Pass - Cost $80

The Annual Pass replaced the National Park Pass and Golden Eagle Passport.

This pass is available to the general public and provides access to, and use of, Federal recreation sites that charge an Entrance or Standard Amenity Fee for a year, beginning from the date of sale.

https://tinyurl.com/48rmmrcw

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (63Dwl)

193 189 Paul hates poor people and Christians.

Why so bigoted, Paul?
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (5pTK/)

========

He only hates people filled with hate because he's filled with leftist love.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (LvTSG)

194 When ace comes back we should all agree to comment in binary code

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 05, 2023 02:07 PM (flINI)

195 194 When ace comes back we should all agree to comment in binary code
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 05, 2023 02:07 PM (flINI)

=======

0

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:07 PM (LvTSG)

196 143
Oh man, I went back and looked at President Luntz' Oval Office. He has Clinton's drapes, and Obama's wallpaper in there.

He *really* loves Democrats.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Course he does, he is a media critter like the rest of them. BTW, Luntz got thrown out of APOR back in the 90's for unethical research conduct as a pollster. APOR is the American Public Opinion Researchers organization. Essentially, Luntz is no better than a Tarot card reader in a tent but GOP pays him megabux for his political opinions.

Kevin is a walking talking ethics violation and did not even pay nominal rent for crashing at Luntz's place until a NY Post story and Tucker brought it up.

Posted by: whig at January 05, 2023 02:07 PM (bDjBG)

197 Who painted the Painted Desert?
_______

Benjamin Moore.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot
------

I think not:
https://tinyurl.com/2gaetmvs
Posted by: Sherwin Williams
==
Not me. Not enough happy little trees.

Posted by: Zombie Bob Ross at January 05, 2023 02:07 PM (W/sDO)

198 Which was the NP out west where there was much ado about putting up signs documenting the disappearing glacier which they later had to remove because the glacier came roaring back?
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher

Glacier?

https://tinyurl.com/bddsahew

Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 02:07 PM (qoDr0)

199 Near Albany, there is a a state preserve known as the Albany Pine Bush. In nature, it is supposed to catch fire to control the underbrush and allow the pines to thrive.

Well. since the fire department puts out the nature-caused fires when they occur, they have to have controlled burns to control the underbrush. They set the pine bush on fire.

Going through the Pine Bush is the NYS Thruway. Controlled burns produce a shit-ton of smoke which reduces visibility and forces the shutdown of the Thruway.

In short, a controlled burn typically isn't.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 02:07 PM (lf83v)

200 I encourage all to look into an "America the Beautiful Pass". It is $80 for a LIFETIME pass, and it includes all National Parks and others run by the Feds. Army Corps of Engineers, for example. It gets you free admission for the carload, and discounted add-ons on items such as camping, boat launch, etc.

For veterans they also have a lifetime free pass, which I just learned about a few minutes ago:

https://bit.ly/3QhFYQe

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2023 02:08 PM (Bd6X8)

201 Some of McCarthy's supporters are probably now starting to wonder why he hasn't dropped out after seven fails.

Of course, the more McCarthy fails and doesn't drop out, the more he looks like a clueless entitled dimwit, which maybe is why some Republicans opposed him to begin with.

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at January 05, 2023 02:08 PM (ik/65)

202 He only hates people filled with hate because he's filled with leftist love.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:06 PM (LvTSG)

Also because his mother kept trying to mail him to Perth-Amboy

Posted by: Kindltot at January 05, 2023 02:08 PM (xhaym)

203 When ace comes back we should all agree to comment in binary code
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 05, 2023 02:07 PM (flINI)

01000101 01100001 01110100 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110010 01100101 00100000 01001011 01100001 01100010 01101111 01101111 01101101

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 05, 2023 02:08 PM (oINRc)

204 I stayed in a hotel when I was younger that was right on the edge of the canyon and it was nice. I've looked at the cost now and it's ridiculous.

Posted by: banana Dream at January 05, 2023 02:08 PM (0fVbu)

205 As a Boy Scout during my yute, I canoed over 50 miles thru the Fulton chain of lakes in the Adirondacks. Beautiful.

Posted by: Archer at January 05, 2023 02:09 PM (gmo/4)

206 Using my tax dollars for national park upkeep and then charging me dollars to enter those areas? Something's wrong with this picture.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 05, 2023 02:09 PM (BdMk6)

207 204 I stayed in a hotel when I was younger that was right on the edge of the canyon and it was nice. I've looked at the cost now and it's ridiculous.
Posted by: banana Dream at January 05, 2023 02:08 PM (0fVbu)

=========

"An arm and a leg?!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:09 PM (LvTSG)

208 > Yeah they tried to go down the route of "you are too pretty to have an opinion" which is odd.

Sounds like the "feminist" is confirming Rush Limbaugh's theory that feminism's goal is to give ugly women the same advantages beautiful women get.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2023 02:09 PM (eyxn4)

209 when Was POTUS park service employees were told not to answer any questions concerning the age of the canyon for fear of triggering Christians who believe the Earth is only 6000 years old

This is literally false in every way. All it took was a call to the park offices to find out and NOBODY IN THE MEDIA BOTHERED. I did on my blog and the park officials were overjoyed to talk to me about it and clear up the record.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 02:09 PM (0hOvj)

210 201 Some of McCarthy's supporters are probably now starting to wonder why he hasn't dropped out after seven fails.

Of course, the more McCarthy fails and doesn't drop out, the more he looks like a clueless entitled dimwit, which maybe is why some Republicans opposed him to begin with.
Posted by: Anti-Faucist at January 05, 2023 02:08 PM (ik/65)

I dunno. I more think that the 200 probably know EXACTLY why he doesn't drop out and agree with him. This is about power and humiliation, pure and simple. On both sides.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 02:09 PM (zZu0s)

211 During one of the stupid government shutdowns, Utah got permission to keep our parks open and run them ourselves. No mountains crumbled, no forests burnt up, no wolves keeled over and died. Everything went fine.

I appreciate the treasure that is the NPS. It should not be held hostage from the people for petty political stunts.

Posted by: LizLem at January 05, 2023 02:09 PM (+mkOR)

212 Kevin is a walking talking ethics violation and did not even pay nominal rent for crashing at Luntz's place until a NY Post story and Tucker brought it up.
==
NOT TRUE.
Frank made me "work" off the rent in trade. It wasn't nominal either. I was sweaty and fatigued every time.

Posted by: Kevin I may not be flaming but I'm willing to learn McCarthy at January 05, 2023 02:10 PM (rDTzx)

213 When ace comes back we should all agree to comment in binary code
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 05, 2023

***
How about French? Oh, wait, Ace knows French. How about Pig Latin?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2023 02:10 PM (J2vNu)

214 210 I dunno. I more think that the 200 probably know EXACTLY why he doesn't drop out and agree with him. This is about power and humiliation, pure and simple. On both sides.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 02:09 PM (zZu0s)

=========

May it go on for 2 full years and America doesn't fall apart, proving that the elected federal government doesn't do shit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:10 PM (LvTSG)

215 Some of McCarthy's supporters are probably now starting to wonder why he hasn't dropped out after seven fails.
_________

Tis but a scratch!

Posted by: Kevin "The Black Knight" McCarthy at January 05, 2023 02:10 PM (lf83v)

216 When ace comes back we should all agree to comment in binary code

If you think I'm doing that you can kiss my ASCII.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2023 02:10 PM (Bd6X8)

217 Thanks for the post, Dave in Fla. I appreciate all the COBS filling in so that Ace can get a rest or go to remedial shelving school-whichever the case may be, and I like to see the different posts from COBS who normally stick to one or more topics. You show whole other sides to your characters that way.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 05, 2023 02:04 PM (D+F6R)

Agreed.
Thanks Dave.
Not sure about the shelving school but Ive heard there is a shortage of ValueRite in small back hills towns of North Carolina.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2023 02:11 PM (anj39)

218 >but the state parks were open, and the private ones here in Chesco were as well. it's why I always donate to the Conservancy now (you don't have to, you can use all these parks for free).

we went to Gettysburg a BUNCH during the lockdown and it was open so if that's national, it was left alone? I'm not sure it's fully national tho. who cares what the townies/shopkeepers do, they're weird over there.

Posted by: BlackOrchidIsNotAmused at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (w0NJk)

I'm a stones-throw from VF and much too lazy to drive out to French Creek. Perk Valley is nice and connects to the SRT in Oaks. But I do enjoy the 5 mile loop through VF.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 05, 2023 02:11 PM (NgqoH)

219 I almost guarantee that we would probably not consider Taft that fat.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (zZu0s)

My university had a life-sized statue of him, and I will tell you, the man is an absolute unit.
The total chonker
The airship blimp
The Pillsbury pudge

Every newly-built large home ought to have a tub that has the same footprint as a small hot-tub, positioned in the corner of a large master bath.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 05, 2023 02:11 PM (44ww/)

220 When ace comes back we should all agree to comment in binary code
Posted by: Truck Monkey Report
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Binary = out
Hexadecimal is the new standard. LSMFTLGBTQ+

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 05, 2023 02:11 PM (Pnbfv)

221 One other thing I like is Pearl asks the feminists to describe what "equity" looks like and they specifically shoot down the notion of half of all CEOs and bricklayers being women because that's "equality".

So what is equity? Everyone gets what they want. Seriously. Which is...stupid.

That's right you get to be the CEO, rich, and married to that supermodel! As does everyone else! So there aren't enough supermodels or money? THAT'S RACIST! Err...MISOGYNISTIC!

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:11 PM (lc5cP)

222
May it go on for 2 full years and America doesn't fall apart, proving that the elected federal government doesn't do shit.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:10 PM (LvTSG)

Oh, I imagine once they've squeezed a couple of news cycles out of it, the Dems will rescue this fucking whackjob and move along.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 05, 2023 02:11 PM (oINRc)

223 For veterans they also have a lifetime free pass, which I just learned about a few minutes ago:

https://bit.ly/3QhFYQe
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2023 02:08 PM (Bd6X8 )

I think it's a new thing; I got the email about it from the VA a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 05, 2023 02:12 PM (DRSnL)

224 212 Kevin is a walking talking ethics violation and did not even pay nominal rent for crashing at Luntz's place until a NY Post story and Tucker brought it up.

the range of payment for blows jobs is immense

Posted by: REDACTED at January 05, 2023 02:12 PM (us2H3)

225 BTW - Sunset Crater National Park is awesome. Spent a few hours there on the way to Grand Canyon.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 05, 2023 02:12 PM (NgqoH)

226 As Kevin McCarthy said in 2015 during his first failed bid for Speaker, a fresh face is needed to unite the party, "And I'm not that person."

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at January 05, 2023 02:12 PM (ik/65)

227 Posted by: rd at January 05, 2023 01:56 PM (qoDr0)

Spoke with my brother last night. They have an iD4 EV that he uses to commute from FW to Dallas. One round trip is about 100 miles, and he has to charge it for 4 hours on the 240VAC circuit. I'm assuming he runs the AC/heater, and the radio.

Said if he were to use a standard household circuit (115VAC) he'd have to charge it for 16 hours.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 05, 2023 02:12 PM (TgNpw)

228 Dave in Fla, have you been to the Everglades? I’ve always wanted to go there.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at January 05, 2023 02:12 PM (5uVyC)

229 Total envy. A life's dream.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 05, 2023 02:12 PM (/OdqM)

230 Elon runs a poll!

Elon Musk @elonmusk · 2h
Elon Musk should...
Stay out of politics 42.8%
Keep shooting his feet 57.2%
595,182 votes · Final results

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 05, 2023 02:12 PM (Vwz3I)

231 In a rational world the house would be choosing the member who would best advance conservative goals - REDUCING spending dramatically, sending the illegals home, arresting Fauci...etc.

Has McCarthy even bothered to make an argument on any of these points? Because it sounds to me like he is running for student body president..."Vote for me and we'll have the best congress ever!"

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:13 PM (lc5cP)

232 206 Using my tax dollars for national park upkeep and then charging me dollars to enter those areas? Something's wrong with this picture.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 05, 2023 02:09 PM (BdMk6)

Yosemite Valley... (my stomping grounds, 2 hours from my house) is at LEAST 50% foreign tourists...

Soooo.... yeah... and just noticed the Free Lifetime Pass for Veterans that started last year....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 05, 2023 02:13 PM (oHd/0)

233 222 Oh, I imagine once they've squeezed a couple of news cycles out of it, the Dems will rescue this fucking whackjob and move along.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 05, 2023 02:11 PM (oINRc)

========

I hope the Democrat price is the GOP gets Jeffries into the Speakership and Republicans get nothing, and that McCarthy agrees.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:13 PM (LvTSG)

234 199 I went to SUNY Albany and they did that one year near the campus. Smoke everywhere and red eyes, not from weed

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 05, 2023 02:13 PM (11zNb)

235 **Glances outliving room window at the Colorado Nat'l Monument. **

Yep. Mighty purty!!

Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2023 02:13 PM (ykeLU)

236 >>I dunno. I more think that the 200 probably know EXACTLY why he doesn't drop out and agree with him. This is about power and humiliation, pure and simple. On both sides.

Supposedly both sides are continuing to negotiate and have agreed on some but not all issues yet so I can't say I'm terribly surprised the vote hasn't changed yet.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2023 02:14 PM (ZLI7S)

237 Biden/Whitmer 2024! MAMA - Make America Mask Again!

Posted by: runner at January 05, 2023 02:14 PM (5JChN)

238 Not sure about the shelving school but Ive heard there is a shortage of ValueRite in small back hills towns of North Carolina.
Posted by: Diogenes
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No problem, east Tennessee can take up the slack.

Posted by: Thunder Road at January 05, 2023 02:14 PM (Pnbfv)

239 215 Some of McCarthy's supporters are probably now starting to wonder why he hasn't dropped out after seven fails.

Standing eight count going on right now. Seems like if he were willing to step aside, they might be able to find someone they can all settle on. Scalise would work for me.

Posted by: Peaches at January 05, 2023 02:14 PM (14URa)

240 137 The only thing is that you must be (29X2)+4 to get one.

there's a song in there somewhere. "will you still need me, will you still feed me when i'm (29x2)+4?" rolls right off the tongue.

Posted by: stochastic kulak anachronda at January 05, 2023 02:14 PM (v3pYe)

241 I went to SUNY Albany and they did that one year near the campus. Smoke everywhere and red eyes, not from weed
Posted by: Smell the Glove
_________

And fire departments in a 20-mile radius were getting toned out for "unknown smoke condition in the neighborhood."

A real shite show.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 02:15 PM (lf83v)

242 I think it's a new thing; I got the email about it from the VA a few weeks ago.
Posted by: Jordan61
___

Yep, same here.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at January 05, 2023 02:15 PM (JjzI1)

243 Has McCarthy even bothered to make an argument on any of these points? Because it sounds to me like he is running for student body president..."Vote for me and we'll have the best congress ever!"
Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:13 PM (lc5cP)

Pretty much the only things I have heard mentioned were meaningless, toothless shit:
-hold hearings on FBI!
-Hold hearings on J6!
-Hold hearings on Biden corruption!

Nothing really substantive and only topical things rather than actually articulating any sort of actual, broader goal.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 02:15 PM (zZu0s)

244 Yellowstone wasn't a big draw for me because I had access to hundreds of thousands acres of wilderness and wild lands. No need to go to Yellowstone and sit in a traffic jam to watch wildlife.
Posted by: Beartooth at January 05, 2023 02:03 PM (PX01u)

Yellowstone of course has all the geysers and hot springs, which are interesting, if smelly. Otherwise, sure, if you just want to walk through the wilderness, you don't need a national park for that.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 05, 2023 02:15 PM (GMywc)

245
Saw Frank Luntz at an Acton institute event years ago, his cute trademark was loud, goofy, colorful socks.

He did some kind of focus group act, everyone at my table looked at each other when it was over and asked what the hell that was all about.

Posted by: Auspex at January 05, 2023 02:15 PM (+4Xqw)

246 Yosemite Valley... (my stomping grounds, 2 hours from my house) is at LEAST 50% foreign tourists...

I remember early on during COVID of going to a park in the middle of nowhere and there were hordes of people speaking Mandarin and various Indian languages. Was an early lesson in how much of an op COVID was.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:15 PM (lc5cP)

247 A fun little series about moral and ethical behavior that never hit you over the head or lectured you. "Lisa Simpson," Yeardley Smith, was a regular. Her character complained in one episode that someone told her she sounded like the daughter on The Simpsons!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2023 01:42 PM (J2vNu)

My girlfriend at the time thought it was hilarious that the Id/dumb jock character in his head wore an OSU t shirt. She thought they got it right.

Posted by: InZona at January 05, 2023 02:15 PM (YKRxb)

248 So... the Moscow Idaho murders, supposedly the warrant for the Idaho mass murder suspect reports he left behind a knife sheath with his DNA and forgot to turn his phone location off until he was halfway to the crime scene.

And I have questions. Why did it take over a month to admit they had anything? Why did they claim they had no leads, was it just to lull the suspect?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 02:16 PM (0hOvj)

249 McCarthy will eventually cut a deal with the dims

gettin close

Posted by: REDACTED at January 05, 2023 02:16 PM (us2H3)

250 If anyone has access to Calvin and Hobbes comics, there's a strip that ends with Calvin saying "I want equity!" (or something like that). I can't remember the context.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 05, 2023 02:16 PM (KAi1n)

251 Nothing really substantive and only topical things rather than actually articulating any sort of actual, broader goal.

I don't give a sh*t about congress investigating anything. We know Fauci committed crimes. We know Biden committed crimes. And on and on.

The House does not have police powers but they have the power to STOP spending if criminals are not brought to justice.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:17 PM (lc5cP)

252 Kanab, UT is a perfect base camp for seeing the Grand Canyon, Zion and Bryce. Outlaw Josey Wales and the original Planet of the Apes were filmed there.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at January 05, 2023 02:17 PM (OgrpQ)

253 The only thing is that you must be (29X2)+4 to get one.

I liked the original Chicago version of that song better

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 02:17 PM (0hOvj)

254 This pass is available to the general public and provides access to, and use of, Federal recreation sites that charge an Entrance or Standard Amenity Fee for a year, beginning from the date of sale.

https://tinyurl.com/48rmmrcw

This is for the General Public. Those 62 and over get a lifetime pass.

https://store.usgs.gov/lifetime-senior-pass

Posted by: Gunslinger at January 05, 2023 02:17 PM (R2gO3)

255 Saw Frank Luntz at an Acton institute event years ago, his cute trademark was loud, goofy, colorful socks.

a buck will getcha 2 that Kevin's cock has been in those socks

Posted by: REDACTED at January 05, 2023 02:17 PM (us2H3)

256 Yep. Mighty purty!!
Posted by: Muldoon

It really is. Can't see it from here, too many trees, but I get to look at the bookcliffs everyday.

Posted by: Infidel at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (ZEa+g)

257 And I have questions.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 02:16 PM (0hOvj)

Looking over the stuff in the affidavit, I have sooo many questions.

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (DRSnL)

258 251 The House does not have police powers but they have the power to STOP spending if criminals are not brought to justice.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:17 PM (lc5cP)

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But the investigations are theater that play great on Twitchy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (LvTSG)

259 Yellowstone is fantastic, but the crowds are insane. I went in October, when the crowds are much lower. I suspect April would also be a good time to go.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (lTGtQ)

260 **Glances outliving room window at the Colorado Nat'l Monument. **

Yep. Mighty purty!!
Posted by: Muldoon at January 05, 2023 02:13 PM (ykeLU)

Le Sigh... yes I do miss the view. Was back in GJ last weekend, the mesa looms out my back patio door. Looked lovely covered in snow.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (GMywc)

261 I love how they only talk about "Christians" who believe the earth is 6000 years old. Someone among them should bother to find out what year it is in the Hebrew Calendar.

But yep only Christians. Always those filthy stupid Christians.

Posted by: ... at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (nk00D)

262 Random thought from someone who knows nothing of parliamentary rules, what if the real Gs held out and we had no speaker for a year or so? I'm here for it. That's what I'm wishing for on All Fraud's Eve.

Posted by: turnout man at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (CIcwn)

263 >>> My mom, sister and I hiked halfway done and back. Neither my mom nor sister have a problem with heights and had a ball. I, on the other hand, did not have as much fun. But I deserve a t-shirt for making it that far.

Kudos Jackstraw!

I've hiked up to Angels Landing in Zion, which is a stunning view in an already stunning park. But I could not do the last bit, where you climb a narrow ledge, holding on to only chain ropes dug into the rock, to get to the top. They have plaques and crosses for people who have died doing it. Nope and nope. I'm sure it's worth it, but I have a fear of heights like that.

Posted by: LizLem at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (+mkOR)

264 My girlfriend at the time thought it was hilarious that the Id/dumb jock character in his head wore an OSU t shirt. She thought they got it right.
Posted by: InZona at January 05, 2023 02:15 PM (YKRxb)

I think Otto Mann, the hippie bus driver, was a Brown alumnus.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (PiwSw)

265 Oh cool hash

Posted by: ... at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (nk00D)

266
The two closest state parks to me are French Creek and Marsh Creek in Pennsylvania. I think they're having problems retaining help. You might think maintaining a natural landscape would be a job the young would like but I only see middle age and a lot older people at work.

I worry about the younger generation, mainly males. What the hell do they do with their days? At Marsh Creek I see a lot of babes in thongs out on paddle boards. Not a young man in sight.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 05, 2023 02:19 PM (enJYY)

267 Bryce Canyon in March is orgiastic. Although the paths can be icy. Just saying.

Posted by: Actually Inside the Beltway at January 05, 2023 02:19 PM (fMhOl)

268 Love the photos, Dave. Been a long time for me, as well.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 05, 2023 02:19 PM (Xrfse)

269 BTW - Sunset Crater National Park is awesome. Spent a few hours there on the way to Grand Canyon.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at January 05, 2023 02:12 PM (NgqoH)

Agree! Did the same with the family back in 2012.

Posted by: Doof at January 05, 2023 02:19 PM (yYFOV)

270 > So... the Moscow Idaho murders, supposedly the warrant for the Idaho mass murder suspect reports he left behind a knife sheath with his DNA and forgot to turn his phone location off until he was halfway to the crime scene.

See my comment above. I linked the affidavit. They use a weird phrase when they talk about the DNA on the knife sheath snap. I'm worried the DNA "match" they have only confirms the murderer is male.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2023 02:19 PM (eyxn4)

271 The video I've been talking about on feminism https://youtu.be/Dvka_rEVxl8

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:19 PM (lc5cP)

272 Kevin's already lost 7 votes in the 8th vote, so it's over again for him...

Posted by: Nova local at January 05, 2023 02:20 PM (exHjb)

273 I love how they only talk about "Christians" who believe the earth is 6000 years old. Someone among them should bother to find out what year it is in the Hebrew Calendar.
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Or Native American Indians. I'm sure the Great Tortoise on whose back the Earth rests had a calendar at some point.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 02:20 PM (lf83v)

274 Yellowstone of course has all the geysers and hot springs, which are interesting, if smelly. Otherwise, sure, if you just want to walk through the wilderness, you don't need a national park for that.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 05, 2023 02:15 PM

True, no geysers but lots of secret hot springs that you could soak in after being chased by bears and moose all day.

Posted by: Beartooth at January 05, 2023 02:20 PM (PX01u)

275 And just like that Mrs. Luntz failed for the 8th time to win the speakership. Heard from the republican side of the house floor, "how dare a minority derail the dictatorship of the majority! The nerve of them! Have they no decency, no love for *OUR* precious democracy!"

In other news the rules of the precious democracy demand that an actual majority of the house votes are necessary for a candidate to win the speakership. Mrs. Luntz and the GOPe can pack sand.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 05, 2023 02:20 PM (c7ca9)

276 I live near Redwood State parks...I even was a park ranger there in my youth

Posted by: It's me donna at January 05, 2023 02:21 PM (bs+z0)

277 "Why did they claim they had no leads, was it just to lull the suspect?"

Probably.

As long as they provide all the evidence they gathered, for and against at the trial, not announcing on the news what evidence they had is fine.

Of course, given that this is Moscow PD, and given their past record of hiding evidence and stonewalling information demands from defense attorneys (especially in cases where there was gross police malfeasance), I don't hold out much hope for that.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at January 05, 2023 02:21 PM (zhZcn)

278 It really is. Can't see it from here, too many trees, but I get to look at the bookcliffs everyday.
Posted by: Infidel at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (ZEa+g)

My first house in GJ had a spectacular view of the national monument from my second floor, but they started building houses back there, when I moved in there were cows.

That's not why I moved from that house... alas, if things had been different I'd still be in that house. I loved that house.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 05, 2023 02:21 PM (GMywc)

279 Kevin's already lost 7 votes in the 8th vote, so it's over again for him...
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Republicans should just pass a limit on how many times your name can appear on the ballot after you lose.

Call it the mercy rule.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 02:21 PM (lf83v)

280 The ninth vote will be the charm.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (ppBhU)

281 257 And I have questions.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 02:16 PM (0hOvj)

Looking over the stuff in the affidavit, I have sooo many questions.
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (DRSnL)

I read it too. I feel sorry for the surviving room mate but I don't get hiding in your room and waiting 8 hours to call the cops when you see an intruder.

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (mnUzy)

282 To my astonishment, the local national monument in question even has a military history display (focus, WWII), as the place got beefed up coast artillery infrastructure after Pearl Harbor. And not even a reference to Japanese-American internment - well, so far.

Oh, speaking of that, the national monument at the Manzanar internment site in east central CA, at least last time I visited, needs a commissar to come through and clean up some loose ends.

If you actually read the explanatory info in several of the locations - and think, even just a little - you'll realize that the absurd plaque on the boulder out front (with an outrageous statement cribbed directly from the farcical report of the 1980s commission) is, well, disconnected from the history and absurd. "Hey, mom, if the people could sign loyalty oaths and then move to work in defense industry or the young guys enter the military, how was it based on 'racism'? Did their 'race' change when they signed a loyalty oath?".

Posted by: rhomboid at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (OTzUX)

283 Mrs Luntz is losing because Mrs Luntz and his allies have spent the last 20 years lying to actual conservatives.

Actions have consequences.

Want to repair that relationship? Give an actual conservative the House speaker spot.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (lc5cP)

284 I was fortunate enough when I was younger to visit one summer parks like Yosemite, Zion, Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon and maybe 1 or 2 others. That was over 40 years ago. I truly would like to visit those parks again.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (Oq/TM)

285 280 The ninth vote will be the charm.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (ppBhU)

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Posted by: It's me donna at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (bs+z0)

286 >>I've hiked up to Angels Landing in Zion, which is a stunning view in an already stunning park. But I could not do the last bit, where you climb a narrow ledge, holding on to only chain ropes dug into the rock, to get to the top. They have plaques and crosses for people who have died doing it. Nope and nope. I'm sure it's worth it, but I have a fear of heights like that.

I remember seeing the signs for Angels Landing but I didn't attempt it. The heights thing can be a hinderance.

I did much better at Cruz Bay which is around and in the ocean. I do better at and below sea level.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (ZLI7S)

287 I even was a park ranger there in my youth

Posted by: It's me donna

You got to wear one of those cool hats?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (lTGtQ)

288
Oh cool hash

Posted by: ... at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (nk00D)

(enJYY) it while it lasts.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (enJYY)

289 In other news the rules of the precious democracy demand that an actual majority of the house votes are necessary for a candidate to win the speakership. Mrs. Luntz and the GOPe can pack sand.
Posted by: Lost in Space at January 05, 2023 02:20 PM (c7ca9)

Technically, they require a plurality if the majority agrees to honor those results (happened twice in the 2010s - it pays to actually try to win seats, just so you can get the plurality)...for now, the D would have won the plurality vote all 8 times...thus, why no majority vote to honor those results yet...

Posted by: Nova local at January 05, 2023 02:23 PM (exHjb)

290 259 Yellowstone is fantastic, but the crowds are insane. I went in October, when the crowds are much lower. I suspect April would also be a good time to go.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (lTGtQ)
______________________

It's almost empty in January and February, if you avoid the holiday weekends. But the only way in is on a snowmobile, and it gets COLD out there during that time of year. Worth it, though.

Posted by: Elric Blade at January 05, 2023 02:23 PM (iFTx/)

291 You should see my pictures from my visit to Brian National Park. It Was A Long Way To The Top for an old Rock N Roll Singer.

Posted by: Bon Scott at January 05, 2023 02:23 PM (GEqsx)

292 You got to wear one of those cool hats?
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (lTGtQ)

Yup

Posted by: It's me donna at January 05, 2023 02:23 PM (bs+z0)

293 See my comment above. I linked the affidavit. They use a weird phrase when they talk about the DNA on the knife sheath snap. I'm worried the DNA "match" they have only confirms the murderer is male.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2023 02:19 PM (eyxn4)

I think they matched it against garbage collected at this parents home and it was a 99.99% match. So him or his dad.

Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at January 05, 2023 02:23 PM (mnUzy)

294 Of course, given that this is Moscow PD, and given their past record of hiding evidence and stonewalling information demands from defense attorneys (especially in cases where there was gross police malfeasance), I don't hold out much hope for that.

The Moscow government is crazy left wing hostile toward Christians, I don't trust them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 02:23 PM (0hOvj)

295 > I love how they only talk about "Christians" who believe the earth is 6000 years old. Someone among them should bother to find out what year it is in the Hebrew Calendar.

They did something similar with the LDS Church and Prop 8. Whole lot of churches opposed Prop 8, but the only one anyone heard about was those damn bigoted Mormons.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2023 02:23 PM (eyxn4)

296 it pays to actually try to win seats, just so you can get the plurality

Most of the seats the GOPe intentionally lost would have gone to actual conservatives so it wouldn't have helped them in what they are trying to do...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:24 PM (lc5cP)

297 You know, people, every time Kev loses another vote, he dies a little inside....Have you no feelings? I can't even...

Posted by: Frank Luntz at January 05, 2023 02:24 PM (PiwSw)

298
True, no geysers but lots of secret hot springs that you could soak in after being chased by bears and moose all day.
Posted by: Beartooth at January 05, 2023 02:20 PM (PX01u)

I have a relative who is a hunting guide in the area. I assume he knows those secret spots... and how to keep the bears and mooses from being a nuisance.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 05, 2023 02:24 PM (GMywc)

299 They did something similar with the LDS Church and Prop 8. Whole lot of churches opposed Prop 8, but the only one anyone heard about was those damn bigoted Mormons.

Amazing how gay marriage even got the people of Leftifornia against it and somehow it is beyond the pale to question it...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:24 PM (lc5cP)

300 266
The two closest state parks to me are French Creek and Marsh Creek in Pennsylvania. I think they're having problems retaining help. You might think maintaining a natural landscape would be a job the young would like but I only see middle age and a lot older people at work.

I worry about the younger generation, mainly males. What the hell do they do with their days? At Marsh Creek I see a lot of babes in thongs out on paddle boards. Not a young man in sight.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 05, 2023 02:19 PM (enJYY)

One of my daughters spent last summer after college graduation working for the Virginia state system, overseeing gangs of yoot refurbishing Smith Mountain Lake SP and York River SP.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (BTgKJ)

301 296 it pays to actually try to win seats, just so you can get the plurality

Most of the seats the GOPe intentionally lost would have gone to actual conservatives so it wouldn't have helped them in what they are trying to do...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:24 PM (lc5cP)

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Meh. Most "actual conservatives" are faking it. If they're not, then most of the rest are easily bought with promises of not needing to fundraise next cycle because the RCCC has your back, yo.

Yes, McCarthy would already be Speaker if he hadn't kneecapped the whole effort in 2022.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (LvTSG)

302 My wife and I made a quick visit to the Grand Canyon a number of years ago.
That first view on walking up to the south rim is awe inspiring.
My first up close glimpse of the Rocky Mountains after a life in the prairies and further east was also awe inspiring. I almost drove off the road.

Posted by: N.Lurker at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (eGTCV)

303 @ColumbiaBugle · 5minutes
. @RepMattGaetz Votes For Donald Trump Again!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (Vwz3I)

304 Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) on Thursday voted for former President Donald Trump as Speaker of the House.

https://tinyurl.com/bddud4be

lol

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (JjzI1)

305 Don't drink the water at Camp LeJeune National Park.

Posted by: Puddinhead at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (LQjWA)

306 296 it pays to actually try to win seats, just so you can get the plurality

Most of the seats the GOPe intentionally lost would have gone to actual conservatives so it wouldn't have helped them in what they are trying to do...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:24 PM (lc5cP)

It 100% would - the Dems would not have 212 votes, but say 200. Those 12 votes could become a party of 32...but Kevin would still have his 202 votes and win - 202, 200, 32.

He personally screwed himself and it's beautiful to watch...

Posted by: Nova local at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (exHjb)

307 McCarthy is a putz. 7 defeats and he's going to try again. Give it up and let someone more worthy try.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (2NHgQ)

308 Visiting the Grand Canyon is on my before I die bucket list.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (uNylN)

309 Yellowstone is fantastic, but the crowds are insane. I went in October, when the crowds are much lower. I suspect April would also be a good time to go.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (lTGtQ)

If you can get through the roads. Went once in the first part of May and the snow still had many roads and paths closed.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (BdMk6)

310 I'm glad they didn't fill the Grand and Bryce canyons in with sand during COVID

Posted by: Regular joe at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (nnp+f)

311 > I think they matched it against garbage collected at this parents home and it was a 99.99% match. So him or his dad.

I hope that's true. The affidavit's phrasing is odd.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (eyxn4)

312 I always enjoyed flying over the Grand Canyon on flights to LA. Majestic and impressive

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (flINI)

313 Feds should not decide what areas are parks.
Each state should decide that for themselves.
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at January 05, 2023 01:41 PM (V6W16)

Concur. Abolish the federal park service and return any and all federally seized lands back to the States.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (XQtRs)

314 There's a state park in CO on the back highway from Parker to Colo Springs called Castlewood Canyon. I hiked there one day, and was amazed at the natural sculptures atop the canyon rims. My mind kept seeing dinosaur heads in the rocks, the way someone here saw George Washington's profile in the Winslow Homer painting on the Morning Art Thread.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (J2vNu)

315 The House does not have police powers but they have the power to STOP spending if criminals are not brought to justice.
Posted by: 18-1

If it's already been allocated? I don't suppose the last budget gave the executive branch a huge slush fund just in case this House got feisty with the $.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (KAi1n)

316 Posted by: bonhomme
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bonhomme,
The data in the affidavit is more than enough for both search warrants and an arrest warrant. The Van shoe print was primarily to indicate the likely path of the suspect which tied in the believed entry and exit of the crime scene. So, you have repeated sightings via cell phone of the crime area down by Kohlberger, evidence that a white Elantra was leaving teh vicinity of the crime at high speed shortly after it happened and lacked a front license plate which both Idaho and Washington require but Pennsylvania does not. Kohlberger changed his car registration five days after the crime to WA, his DNA was found on the snap to the knife shealth in the deceased home and that shealth corresponded to the believed weapon causing death, Kohlberger's cell phone indicated going past the scene of the murders the day after (common among serial murderers), and someone matching the approximate weight and height of the suspect with bushy eyebrows was seen entering and leaving the house.

More than enough for probable cause and the police are not required to put forth all evidence they have until trial.

Posted by: whig at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (bDjBG)

317 Yes, McCarthy would already be Speaker if he hadn't kneecapped the whole effort in 2022.

That, and a couple of stunts right before the end of the year and people have had more than enough of this jackwagon. But he'll still probably win.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (0hOvj)

318 Posted by: Divide by Zero at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (enJYY)

Ha

Posted by: ... at January 05, 2023 02:27 PM (wxGRG)

319 Another way to look at this too is House R's were expected to pick up 25-40 seats. They actually won 10.

Why would the leader that under performed so badly be rewarded?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:27 PM (lc5cP)

320 307 McCarthy is a putz. 7 defeats and he's going to try again. Give it up and let someone more worthy try.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (2NHgQ)

8 defeats now - he's gonna go for 9, I think...

Posted by: Nova local at January 05, 2023 02:27 PM (exHjb)

321 If Kevin withdrew his name, I'd might vote for him

Posted by: zombi WC at January 05, 2023 02:27 PM (us2H3)

322 ... at January 05, 2023 02:18 PM (nk00D)
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Missed kn00D by that much!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 05, 2023 02:27 PM (Vwz3I)

323 I went to College in Utah. Visited all the national parks and most of the national forests during my time there. Fantastic.

Posted by: Archer at January 05, 2023 02:27 PM (gmo/4)

324 >>I always enjoyed flying over the Grand Canyon on flights to LA. Majestic and impressive

I was just thinking that. I've had a few flights over the GC and it's an awesome sight.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2023 02:27 PM (ZLI7S)

325 307 McCarthy is a putz. 7 defeats and he's going to try again. Give it up and let someone more worthy try.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (2NHgQ)

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If it's personal against McCarthy, that may be unfair (it's not because of his actions in 2022, but whatever), but that means that he literally does not have the ability to manage the caucus. He literally cannot do it because he has a sizeable minority of his caucus that are willing to publicly embarrass him repeatedly when nothing else is going on in the political world.

If it's about policy, then the GOPe replacing McCarthy with anyone else won't work because any replacement will just advance the same policies.

There's no good solution to it. It is to laugh.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:27 PM (LvTSG)

326 I used to mountain bike in Minnewaska State Park in NY every weekend. It was pretty awesome and only 30 minutes from my abode.

Posted by: polynikes at January 05, 2023 02:28 PM (8rSKd)

327 315 If it's already been allocated? I don't suppose the last budget gave the executive branch a huge slush fund just in case this House got feisty with the $.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (KAi1n)

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"Ooops!"
-Mitch McConnell

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating a corrupt and violent world with Clint Eastwood at January 05, 2023 02:28 PM (LvTSG)

328 McCarthy is a putz. 7 defeats and he's going to try again. Give it up and let someone more worthy try.
________________

Like the scene from Office Space with the two Bobs and Tom Smykowski:

"I Have People Skills! I Am Good At Dealing With People!"

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 02:28 PM (lf83v)

329 Why would the leader that under performed so badly be rewarded?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:27 PM (lc5cP)

LOL

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 05, 2023 02:28 PM (bs+z0)

330 311 > I think they matched it against garbage collected at this parents home and it was a 99.99% match. So him or his dad.

I hope that's true. The affidavit's phrasing is odd.
Posted by: bonhomme

It is and because there is little sign that his dad was present during the murder virtually across the country while Kohlberger was, it makes it likely enough to sustain an arrest warrant. Corresponding with the arrest warrant and search warrants, the police can now formally swab the accused cheek for matching DNA rather than just familial DNA.

Posted by: whig at January 05, 2023 02:28 PM (bDjBG)

331 Back on topic
Dave think you're right though only been to local Pennsylvania parks lately, but been to many from childhood

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2023 02:28 PM (jD77n)

332 I hope that's true. The affidavit's phrasing is odd.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (eyxn4)

It's on the last page of the affidavit.

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 05, 2023 02:29 PM (DRSnL)

333 War nood.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at January 05, 2023 02:29 PM (JjzI1)

334 Same.

I believe in 1991 my family grabbed an Eagle Pass for the 75th anniversary, as I recall. $75 for any National Park for the year. Over the course we visited about half the parks in the US. Highlights were the Olympics, especially Ho. Were able to get up through Logan Pass in Glacier, Saw many bears and Bison in Yellowstone (this was after the major fire). Steamboat geyser had a near record day. From there I thought I would like a career as a National Park Ranger, but that didn't last long. Reality caught up.

Still, I've recently took the kids to Mammoth Cave. Spent the whole day, had a blast. Definitely worth the money.

Still needing to get back to Painted Desert, Petrified Forest. Also one of the best "grey" sites for stargazing.

Posted by: David W at January 05, 2023 02:29 PM (5uXrb)

335 personally being against Trump is totes kewl

but Kevin

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by: zombi WC at January 05, 2023 02:29 PM (us2H3)

336 Nein, nein, nein!

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy at January 05, 2023 02:29 PM (ppBhU)

337 You know, people, every time Kev loses another vote, he dies a little inside....
Posted by: Frank Luntz

Say Frankie, if you could put some kind of number or percentage on "a little," we could estimate how much longer this will go on.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 05, 2023 02:29 PM (nfrXX)

338 We have been to a lot of national parks but the most interesting was The Little Big Horn battle site. They have a park ranger there that makes you see and feel the battle. He was amazing. We we all on the listening so attentively that you could hear a pin drop but we could imagine the sound and the smell of the battle. Its also in a beautiful spot in Montana.

Posted by: Megthered at January 05, 2023 02:30 PM (4TWhl)

339 I did much better at Cruz Bay which is around and in the ocean. I do better at and below sea level.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 05, 2023 02:22 PM (ZLI7S)

Death Valley is nice this time of year.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 05, 2023 02:30 PM (tkR6S)

340 TheJames. Good point in that he cannot manage the caucus. It's not personal for me, want someone new not the old retreads that have been wielding power and not governing based on their constituencies. I like Byron Donalds.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 05, 2023 02:31 PM (2NHgQ)

341 >>> Bryce Canyon in March is orgiastic. Although the paths can be icy. Just saying.

Yes! And parks like Zion have snow melt in spring that creates these lovely waterfalls that occur only at that time. If you can snag a spring break trip, or time it right so you are there when there is enough snow melted you can do the hikes, but still water flowing, it's really cool.

Coral Dunes is a state park right by Zion and has this lovely coral pink sand.

The one time I've been to Arches, we got the flu on the day we were going to hike up to delicate arch. Still in my list of things to do!

Posted by: LizLem at January 05, 2023 02:31 PM (+mkOR)

342 It looks like McConnel was really onto something when he claimed the Republican 2022 midterm failures were because of low quality candidates. I am thinking the same problem exists right now for the speakership. Mrs. Luntz you are no Naughty Nancy.

Posted by: Lost in Space at January 05, 2023 02:31 PM (c7ca9)

343 326 I live in Kingston. Minnewaska is one of those areas that gets forest fires in dry periods. The entire Shawangunk Ridge is that way. Great hiking and biking.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 05, 2023 02:32 PM (11zNb)

344 I love how they only talk about "Christians" who believe the earth is 6000 years old. Someone among them should bother to find out what year it is in the Hebrew Calendar.
==
The Christians, Jews, and Muslims - 6000 or so.

The Hindu's depends on what you read but 1.9 billion to 4.3 billion.

Posted by: But meanwhile, we'll starve and freeze to death because seculr progressiffs want to feel false virtu at January 05, 2023 02:32 PM (W/sDO)

345 Most of the seats the GOPe intentionally lost would have gone to actual conservatives so it wouldn't have helped them in what they are trying to do...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 05, 2023 02:24 PM (lc5cP)

Heh. Fair point.

We are so fucked.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at January 05, 2023 02:32 PM (zZu0s)

346 315 The House does not have police powers but they have the power to STOP spending if criminals are not brought to justice.
Posted by: 18-1

Not true. Actually the House Sergeant at Arms can literally arrest someone and bring them to the House for testimony. See McGrain v. Daugherty 273 US 135 (1927). They can compel witnesses as part of the legislative process including investigations and can also compel members to come with them to a quorum call so that a quorum is present.

Posted by: whig at January 05, 2023 02:33 PM (bDjBG)

347 Still needing to get back to Painted Desert, Petrified Forest. Also one of the best "grey" sites for stargazing.
Posted by: David W at January 05, 2023 02:29 PM (5uXrb)

Did the whole Route 66 thing when Daddy got back from Vietnam in 1966. Both of the above. Four Corners. Grand Canyon. Hoover Dam. Yosemite. Would love to do it again.

Posted by: Golfman at January 05, 2023 02:33 PM (BLVc0)

348 Nov. 1, 2023: Kevin McCarthy loses 1,000th vote for Speaker. "This is what leadership looks like," McCarthy croaked. "I won't back down."

Posted by: Anti-Faucist at January 05, 2023 02:35 PM (ik/65)

349 Heh. Fair point.

We are so fucked.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
-----------
Depends. What is essential to get people engaged to change things is when politics is so rotten that apolitical types like Elon Musk get involved to clean things up. Doing stupid things like provoking a nuclear power, trying to make Iran dominant in the Mideast, spend ourselves into bankruptcy, and spend all of the IC community's attention on internal dissent will do that.

Posted by: whig at January 05, 2023 02:36 PM (bDjBG)

350 Video of Gaetz nominating PDT:

https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/
1611057504120893440

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 05, 2023 02:36 PM (Vwz3I)

351 McCarthy is a putz. 7 defeats and he's going to try again. Give it up and let someone more worthy try.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 05, 2023 02:25 PM (2NHgQ)

8 defeats now - he's gonna go for 9, I think...
==
At this point, he might as well go for a historical record. I mean he's already moved his shit into the office. It'll be a pain to haul it back to his old cave.

Posted by: Also his 200 votes are because those people got to move up to a better office and dn't want to move at January 05, 2023 02:36 PM (LDcIX)

352 > bonhomme, the data in the affidavit is more than enough for both search warrants and an arrest warrant.

I agree.

> More than enough for probable cause and the police are not required to put forth all evidence they have until trial.

All true. I think they have the right guy. I hope they have the right guy. My concern is the evidence I see in the affidavit is thin and if they don't have more, they could be fitting the evidence to a suspect in order to close a high profile case.

Specifically, everyone keeps saying they have his DNA on the snap. The phrasing in the affidavit is odd and makes me doubt they actually have a good match. Without the DNA, the rest of the known evidence is hardly unassailable.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2023 02:36 PM (eyxn4)

353 My mind kept seeing dinosaur heads in the rocks, the way someone here saw George Washington's profile in the Winslow Homer painting on the Morning Art Thread.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2023 02:26 PM (J2vNu)

Twas I who saw George Washington this morning.
Were those MATING dinosaur heads you saw in the rocks??

Posted by: Doof at January 05, 2023 02:37 PM (yYFOV)

354 Why would the leader that under performed so badly be rewarded?
Posted by: 18-1

Newt was forced to walk the plank in 1998 under similar circumstances. Then we got Livingston, the New Orleans sex club member followed shortly by Pedo bear Hastert as Speaker all in about two months. Livingstone never even got to take the gavel before he resigned so who knows how much dirt that guy had on him.

Posted by: whig at January 05, 2023 02:39 PM (bDjBG)

355 I hiked the North Georgia mountains for a few weeks. Wasn't a lot of fun.

Posted by: Javems at January 05, 2023 02:40 PM (NleZG)

356
I used to work for International MegaBank, and Luntz came to talk to our higher-ups about how to navigate the regulatory changes Trump would introduce once he was in office.

Literally every single """prediction""" that fat fraud made never came to pass.

I'm convinced he made it all up on the limo trip from the airport.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 05, 2023 02:42 PM (oINRc)

357 Specifically, everyone keeps saying they have his DNA on the snap. The phrasing in the affidavit is odd and makes me doubt they actually have a good match. Without the DNA, the rest of the known evidence is hardly unassailable.
Posted by: bonhomme

Even without the DNA, there is sufficient evidence to arrest Kohlberger. I read a lot of warrants for what I do and inartful discussion often happens when the police are trying to be truthful but fuzzify a bit as well. Notice the second page is redacted and there is probably something there as well about the nature of the wounds in the deceased and defensive wounds.

Apparently what happened is that the police used the DNA sequencing to compare with genealogy websites to identify the familial markers to narrow the suspect pool. They then confirmed that familial match with the trash obtained from the household--the arrest allows them to take an official sample to compare with the crime scene and would be able to rule out the father specifically from being guilty of the crime. That is why you don't get the usual 99.9999999 etc with an exact match is because familial dna is being compared with the sample on the knife sheaf.

Posted by: whig at January 05, 2023 02:44 PM (bDjBG)

358 Wyoming is indeed beautiful, in the west. The eastern side is less so, though I did visit Cheyenne and saw the one tree...

"Beautiful Wyoming, where there is a pretty girl behind every tree...only problem? No Trees"- Craig Johnson(Author of the Longmire series of books)

Posted by: birddog at January 05, 2023 02:47 PM (uAI4S)

359 Question: With all of these Speaker Votes...are proxy votes being taken or do the members actually have to be there now?

Posted by: birddog at January 05, 2023 03:14 PM (uAI4S)

360 Nice to visit but would not want to live there.

What are things said about most national parks.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 05, 2023 03:36 PM (wLpmn)

361 >>>No need to go to Yellowstone and sit in a traffic jam to watch wildlife.

>Another alternative is to pick a wilderness area if you want raw nature. No vehicles or bicycles of any kind allowed. Put on you hiking boots and/or go in on horse back.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 05, 2023 03:48 PM (Er3sM)

362 I live in Utah; and we have very little private or state owned land.

Yes, Zions / Bryce / Arches / Canyonlands / Capitol Reef are awesome. They bring in a great deal of tourist money for the state, actually--especially Zions, Bryce, and Arches. All three are world tourist destinations.

But it's the national monuments that take up hundreds of thousands of acres that is annoying.

Look, Southern Utah is a barren alien wilderness. People have a hard time living there due to lack of water. Amazing scenery!

But something like 70% of Utah is "federal land% which is second only, I think, to Nevada. And Nevada is just a few towns on the outskirts of a massive barren inhospitable wasteland, so no one cares as long as they run a couple of cows on it.

Living here is different than visiting!

Posted by: GanGanowicz at January 05, 2023 03:51 PM (A/0MV)

363 The National Parks Service does a fine job of administering national parks, but falls apart when it steps outside its lane, such as when it designed the memorial to Flight 93.

Posted by: AMartel at January 05, 2023 03:52 PM (hgKvI)

364 Thing about National Parks, though, is that we are still and forever adding to them. Every man-jack who can show that some aborigine walked across some turf 200 years ago now petitions for it to become part of the National Parks system.

I propose that, if some outfit wants to have a tract of land added to the Federal Parks & Preserves system, they should have to include in their proposal an equal tract of land elsewhere that would then be released from National Parks & Preserves.

As a Westerner who kinda resents the Feds taking over more and more and more land, this land is then closed off to anything productively useful. The Feds have a big enough chunk of the western States; they don't need more land to manage, since they're not doing all that hot of a job managing what they already have.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 05, 2023 03:57 PM (K58O6)

365 beautiful rock formations ...

OR

nice crop ground with a very serious erosion problem.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 05, 2023 03:58 PM (Cus5s)

366 If you think the NPS is doing a good job, I have a visit to Appomattox for you. You can see NPS neglect in all its glory. Threadbare, moldy facility and buildings. An attempt to drag slavery into the site that ended the war that ended slavery. The worst was a major downplaying of the terms offered by Grant, which did a great deal to starting the nation to heal. You can have your pretty scenery; as long as this is the approach to our heritage, the NPS can go to h*ll.

Posted by: John Fisher at January 05, 2023 04:05 PM (QiFWd)

367 The U.S. National Park Service oversees land with NO VOTERS and NO VOTERS TO TAX. This land has existed in a natural state for eons and as such nothing to do and/or fuck up. But if you own land with for instance a stock pond that gets runoff from a boundary with one you'll find out right fuckin quick about the park "service". Until YOU live this, they're off destroying the rest of this Country - what's left of it. We have a 10 acres near one where some of the "parkies" are aging dopers/leftists damn near or at retirement age. When they're gone enter the enviro-rayciss™ graduates.

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Posted by: www.Payathome7.com at January 05, 2023 04:21 PM (1J5dZ)

369 So this reminds me of the 3 Ken Burns' series that I actually like:
3) National Parks
2) Baseball
1) Civil War

The Civil War series has to be my absolute favorite, only because of Shelby Foote's narration.

-SLV

Posted by: Shy Lurking Vote at January 05, 2023 04:27 PM (yXpN8)

370 Do you se the Snow that stuff we were suppost to Never See Again over this Global Warming/Climate Change load of Malarkey

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at January 05, 2023 05:02 PM (wGqjj)

371 > Dave in Fla, many of the State parks in the West are very good too.

...and since he mentioned operating out of Vegas for this trip, Valley of Fire State Park isn't far out of the way if you're heading toward Zion. Quite a bit to see in there; it's been a shooting location for more than a few movies as well.

Posted by: Scott at January 05, 2023 06:11 PM (kmvkg)

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Posted by: Carla Rogers at January 06, 2023 02:23 AM (AVs3y)

373 24 Teddy Roosevelt's legacy.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2023 01:38 PM (lf83v)

A good Conservationist.
Posted by: Really Zombie Benedict Arnold at January 05, 2023 01:40 PM (gmo/4)

With a little help from John Muir and others! I recently read a biography about him. Incredible human.

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