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The Morning Rant
An Election Like No Other
Dave in Fla
2022 was a generational opportunity to realign the political landscape, and it slipped through the fingers of the Republican Party. This was not the fault of the Republican voters. They did their part, it was a combination of institutional blindness and incompetence that led to failing to capitalize on the political forces that were supporting them. Regardless of what the Democrats are doing, it was 100% the fault of the Republicans for learning the wrong lessons of 2018 and 2020 and not having a plan to execute an election victory. It is particularly damming when you can look at states like Florida and California, two opposite sides of the political spectrum, where the state parties performed extremely well.
2022 nationally was a Republican +4 year, where about 4% more people voted for Republican candidates than Democrat candidates. This contrasts with 2020 where the "official" result was about 2% more votes for Democrats than Republicans. This 6 point shift toward the Republicans should have resulted in a general shift nationwide in all of the states from 3 to 9 points. While this doesn't mean all Republicans will win, it means swing districts and states should have shown the same general trends. This was supported by very strong historical patterns of a very unpopular sitting President, an economic recession affecting the entire nation, and strong Republican advantage on 4 of the 5 issues of highest importance to the electorate. How strong is this trend? This trend has resulted in political victory in 100% of the elections in this country dating back to the founding. 2022 is the first time in history that the election results did not reflect the national mood of the country. And for the most part, nationwide, this trend did hold in 2022. Except where it didn't. Look at the following chart showing the shift in voting strength by party between 2020 and 2022 in most of the states (caveat - I wasn't able to easily get data on some states, so I've left some important states like Colorado and California off, also these numbers were based on numbers before final counts were certified). I have highlighted 14 states where the results did not match the expected historical trends, or the trends seen in the rest of the country. In most states we saw the GOP exceed their performance in 2020 from +3 (Nevada and Ohio) to +10 (Alabama, Connecticut, Florida, New York, and South Carolina). There was even a crazy R+14 in Utah and Mississippi. This happened in Red states and Blue states, and also across regions. You can't say Democrats over performed because of Dobbs, because then why didn't they over perform in Connecticut, Florida, New York, and Maryland? You can't blame it on Dominion, because Dominion isn't used in all of these states. You can't even blame it on mail in/early voting because those systems are used in Florida, Utah, and Oregon.
While it isn't a universal statement, it appears the Democrats were able to over perform in the states where they really wanted to do so. Here are my thoughts on what happened in each state.
Arizona - Stopping Lake and Masters was a priority for both Democrats and the McCain wing of the Arizona GOP. Between ballot harvesting in Phoenix and the purposeful election day chaos in Republican precincts they were able to turn the state into R+0 where polling indicated the state would be R+5.
Georgia - This is a prime example of the effectiveness of the Democrat tactics. While the rest of Georgia overperformed 2020 by R+8, Atlanta was only R+2, forcing Walker into the runoff.
Indiana - While I have no real knowledge if there was a problem here, I am noting that R+2 was lower than expected, although like Ohio at R+3.
Kansas - This R+0 really stands out and was what allowed the Governor there to survive. It is very different from Oklahoma and Missouri.
Maine - The D+8 here sticks out like a sore thumb. In 2020, ME-2 voted for Trump, but this year they voted to reelect their lockdown governor?
Massachusetts and Vermont - Both of these were R+1 and I think reflective of these being states where the Democrat abortion message was likely effective.
Minnesota - Similar to Georgia, the rest of Minnesota was R+7, but the Twin Cities were R+2. The Democrat tactics worked here as well.
Michigan - This state was ground zero for the Democrat machine to find ballots and voters. Getting Whitmer to win, along with winning MI-3, holding MI-7, and getting the ballot initiatives passed were a top priority for the Democrats. They spent a lot of money in this state.
Montana - I have no explanation for the R+0 in this state. It appears to me that the Democrats were making a play for one of the congressional seats and came up a bit short.
New Hampshire - D+2 when the rest of the country moved R+4? Yet Sununu won the election?
Pennsylvania - R+0 when every neighboring state moved toward the Republicans in significant numbers. There are areas in the Northeast and Southwest where people who voted for Trump in 2020 appear to have not voted, or at least their vote share was overwhelmed by Democrat votes in the region.
Virginia - Interesting that the state was R+8, but VA-7 was R+0. This single district anomaly in Virginia kept the seat from flipping.
Washington - This R+0 resulted in Murray's race being much less competitive than was expected, and Joe Kent's loss in WA-3, which should have been an easy hold.
Wisconsin - Similar to Georgia and Minnesota. Outside the urban areas you saw R+6, but in the urban areas it was R+0. This cannot be explained by calling Michaels a bad candidate or not spending enough money.
Wyoming - My theory is that this is R+0 simply because Republicans have maximized turnout in the state.
We can argue about whether the anomalies in these 14 states are due to an election machine or fraud (embrace the power of "and"). But whatever the Democrats are doing, it has been effective now for 3 election cycles. If the GOP wants to win they must find a way to respond effectively.
I want to leave you with an understanding of why the Republicans in Florida were able to dominate the Democrats, despite the heavy use of mail-in voting and early voting in the state.
By the time election day arrived, the race was already over. Republicans already had a 300,000 vote lead when the polls opened. There was no surviving that level of crushing performance, and DeSantis and Rubio went on to win counties that are never won by Republicans like Miami-Dade and Hillsborough. Comments
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 01, 2022 11:00 AM (Wnv9h)
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ESPONJA!!1!!11!!
ESPONJA!!1!!11!!
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 01, 2022 11:00 AM (ENBF0)
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The Others have been summoned.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 01, 2022 11:00 AM (Wnv9h)
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Word of the year: "gaslighting".
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 01, 2022 11:01 AM (M1eCb)
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Go talk to the State Parties in Florida and California.
PA GOP are a bunch of limpdicks
Our only chance is if a fire-breathing female becomes Chairman. Woman. Person. Pyrsyn.
PA GOP are a bunch of limpdicks
Our only chance is if a fire-breathing female becomes Chairman. Woman. Person. Pyrsyn.
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2022 11:02 AM (dCxaZ)
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Lot of numbers. Looks suspiciously math-like.
Posted by: Oddbob at December 01, 2022 11:03 AM (nfrXX)
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Ronna Romney and the RNC have put together a 'task force' to analyze what happened in the mid-terms, and make recommendations.
Let's see if their results match up with yours, DiF. I suspect that their report will read
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP ORANGEMANBAD TRUMP*
*shamelessly borrowed from another Moron's post
Let's see if their results match up with yours, DiF. I suspect that their report will read
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP ORANGEMANBAD TRUMP*
*shamelessly borrowed from another Moron's post
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 01, 2022 11:04 AM (wEQZp)
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There are capable and street-smart fighters in some of the local GOP orgs dispersed around the state, but the lstate eadership is fugazi.
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2022 11:04 AM (dCxaZ)
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Ron won Miami Dade for the first time for a republican in a very long time
Posted by: REDACTED at December 01, 2022 11:04 AM (us2H3)
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Eat early, eat often!
Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at December 01, 2022 11:04 AM (3wNhr)
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2022 was a generational opportunity to realign the political landscape, and it slipped through the fingers of the Republican Party ... a combination of institutional blindness and incompetence that led to failing to capitalize on the political forces that were supporting them.
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I really don't think so, and that's really a problem. A serious one.
It was not blindness or incompetence. The GOP did not want a "red wave." They did not want to win. They wanted to barely squeak by and end up with thin majorities and no mandate, but with additional power positions. That's it. They didn't want a victory.
It isn't that they failed to achieve victory, it's that victory is not their ambition. They'd rather lose than win, if winning means that someone who isn't cut from the Uniparty cloth might get influence.
I can't blame this on ineptitude or institutional blindness. The GOP hates - actually, literally and viscerally *hates* - its voters. They failed on purpose.
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I really don't think so, and that's really a problem. A serious one.
It was not blindness or incompetence. The GOP did not want a "red wave." They did not want to win. They wanted to barely squeak by and end up with thin majorities and no mandate, but with additional power positions. That's it. They didn't want a victory.
It isn't that they failed to achieve victory, it's that victory is not their ambition. They'd rather lose than win, if winning means that someone who isn't cut from the Uniparty cloth might get influence.
I can't blame this on ineptitude or institutional blindness. The GOP hates - actually, literally and viscerally *hates* - its voters. They failed on purpose.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 11:04 AM (t0OGg)
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Thanks Dave! Always appreciate your insight and analysis.
Posted by: Doof at December 01, 2022 11:04 AM (ChAEn)
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I've noticed that the two states I've lived in the most, Georgia and Kansas have become increasingly leftist controlled.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 01, 2022 11:05 AM (hwaFC)
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Mitch, Paul and Kevin are financially invested in the GOPe being a minority party, with oligarch cash. I have no faith in them or anyone they support.
Posted by: CN at December 01, 2022 11:05 AM (Zzbjj)
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Thanks for the breakdown Dave in Fla. This makes the results far less soul crushing because you can see the gears behind the image.
Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at December 01, 2022 11:05 AM (3wNhr)
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Read on Legalinsurrection.com Republicans are going to have conference on what went wrong in mid-term
Fight mail voting
Stop the Uniparty crap
Fight mail voting
Stop the Uniparty crap
Posted by: Skip's phone at December 01, 2022 11:06 AM (5UbrK)
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unlike the GOP, the dims know a lot of bad shit is coming down the pike
they are planning on how to manage the destruction and come out on top
they are planning on how to manage the destruction and come out on top
Posted by: REDACTED at December 01, 2022 11:06 AM (us2H3)
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The AZ issue is maddening.
Posted by: Piper at December 01, 2022 11:07 AM (ZdaMQ)
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It helps to examine who the state parties are--by that I mean the people. Alabama, where I live, for example. GOP hold for decades, right? Well...yes and no. If you look at who a lot of the long time stalwarts in the state party are, you find a lot of them were Democrats, such as the soon-to-retire Richard Shelby. They all started flipping in the late '80s and early '90s when the mood of the area shifted. The reason is simple--career survival. They switched to stay in office.
And of course, they then got to pick successors and others who entered the high ranks. Thus you have a "Red" state that acts suspiciously squishy in many ways.
I'd be willing to bet similar dynamics are in play elsewhere.
And of course, they then got to pick successors and others who entered the high ranks. Thus you have a "Red" state that acts suspiciously squishy in many ways.
I'd be willing to bet similar dynamics are in play elsewhere.
Posted by: Brother Tim, still the worst commenter on the blog at December 01, 2022 11:07 AM (OUMaO)
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Not to worry, The GOP is putting together a blue ribbon, "LESSONS LEARNED," committee that will issue a report sometime in late 23 early 24.
And we are definitely going to lose GA.
John Fredericks was on the War Room the other day and said the Donks have banked a 250k ballot lead over Walker, in the early voting.
The way we conducted elections are a thing of the past, it's no longer a GOTV effort, it's a chasing ballots and getting them to the tabulators by any means necessary.
It also means that wherever Donks have a registration advantage, they will be able to leverage that into a ballot lead most of the time.
The national GOP is not doing a damn thing to address any of this.
And we are definitely going to lose GA.
John Fredericks was on the War Room the other day and said the Donks have banked a 250k ballot lead over Walker, in the early voting.
The way we conducted elections are a thing of the past, it's no longer a GOTV effort, it's a chasing ballots and getting them to the tabulators by any means necessary.
It also means that wherever Donks have a registration advantage, they will be able to leverage that into a ballot lead most of the time.
The national GOP is not doing a damn thing to address any of this.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 01, 2022 11:08 AM (nYEBo)
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The AZ issue is maddening.
Posted by: Piper at December 01, 2022 11:07 AM (ZdaMQ)
As is the Lauren Boebert race in CO. Storage unit fooker even conceded, but now the state is demanding a recount. As I said in the Pixy thread, when I was having insomnia issues, we need to get the hell out of this stupid state.
Posted by: Piper at December 01, 2022 11:07 AM (ZdaMQ)
As is the Lauren Boebert race in CO. Storage unit fooker even conceded, but now the state is demanding a recount. As I said in the Pixy thread, when I was having insomnia issues, we need to get the hell out of this stupid state.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 01, 2022 11:09 AM (UQUAY)
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We can argue about whether the anomalies in these 14 states are due to an election machine or fraud (embrace the power of "and"). But whatever the Democrats are doing, it has been effective now for 3 election cycles. If the GOP wants to win they must find a way to respond effectively.
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Four things:
1. Don't hate your own base and deliberately kneecap your own candidates
2. In cheat-by-mail states, get aggressive on micro-targeting ballots. Send out door-knockers to go register voters and go get those ballots returned. Who cares if they're Republicans? Lie to them. Get the signature. The Dems ain't running on a message, they're running on ballot targeting. Do the same.
3. Stop targeting day-of voting in early voting states. Cheat-by-mail and early voting are both appalling fraud opportunities, but where they exist, the GOP needs to exploit both.
4. Cheat to the greatest extent you think you can get away with. Harvest ballots, target institutional populations - everything the Dems do, they need to do, too, as carefully as they can manage.
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Four things:
1. Don't hate your own base and deliberately kneecap your own candidates
2. In cheat-by-mail states, get aggressive on micro-targeting ballots. Send out door-knockers to go register voters and go get those ballots returned. Who cares if they're Republicans? Lie to them. Get the signature. The Dems ain't running on a message, they're running on ballot targeting. Do the same.
3. Stop targeting day-of voting in early voting states. Cheat-by-mail and early voting are both appalling fraud opportunities, but where they exist, the GOP needs to exploit both.
4. Cheat to the greatest extent you think you can get away with. Harvest ballots, target institutional populations - everything the Dems do, they need to do, too, as carefully as they can manage.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 11:09 AM (t0OGg)
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>>Montana - I have no explanation for the R+0 in this state. It appears to me that the Democrats were making a play for one of the congressional seats and came up a bit short.
We are a Purple State.
And we will remain so until the Union Families die out and the Universities are shut down.
We are a Purple State.
And we will remain so until the Union Families die out and the Universities are shut down.
Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2022 11:11 AM (HF1PR)
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Early voting in Savannah has been very high volume especially in the inner city by the civic center.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 01, 2022 11:11 AM (hwaFC)
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John Fredericks was on the War Room the other day and said the Donks have banked a 250k ballot lead over Walker, in the early voting.
Banked a 250k FAKE ballot lead.
Banked a 250k FAKE ballot lead.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 11:11 AM (R3En5)
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The Others have been summoned.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 01, 2022 11:00 AM (Wnv9h)
Thanks, Dave in FL for you analysis.
And OT, RMBS, I am going to look for "Man of God" because I appreciate what I've read about that Saint. I have asked him to intercede for our little church. He seems like he wouldn't have really minded Protestants as long as they loved Jesus and the church. Anyway, I am dealing with a church member who loves the church who refers to me as "paid employee of the churchl" maybe because he never comes to church except for Christmas and has not had many personal/pastoral dealings with me. Anyway, this is exceedingly minor compared to what Saint Nektorius of Aegina went through, but I thought of him when I read a selection and note regarding Psalm 9 which is in the Daily Tech Thread #77. God vindicated him.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 01, 2022 11:00 AM (Wnv9h)
Thanks, Dave in FL for you analysis.
And OT, RMBS, I am going to look for "Man of God" because I appreciate what I've read about that Saint. I have asked him to intercede for our little church. He seems like he wouldn't have really minded Protestants as long as they loved Jesus and the church. Anyway, I am dealing with a church member who loves the church who refers to me as "paid employee of the churchl" maybe because he never comes to church except for Christmas and has not had many personal/pastoral dealings with me. Anyway, this is exceedingly minor compared to what Saint Nektorius of Aegina went through, but I thought of him when I read a selection and note regarding Psalm 9 which is in the Daily Tech Thread #77. God vindicated him.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2022 11:11 AM (vH/6k)
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It will always be an uphill battle with the GOP as they don't really want to lead the country out of this mess. They're not an effective political institution anymore.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 01, 2022 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)
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So we have a Shitholes versus the Americans. Why not just say that and run on it?
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 01, 2022 11:11 AM (LQjWA)
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Thanks Dave. Much Appreciated and I'm sure I'll need to read and re-read to fully understand has badly the GOPe and their ilk hate us.
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 01, 2022 11:11 AM (00M+L)
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Remember how "helpful" Rinse Pubes was? I member.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 01, 2022 11:12 AM (F5ekr)
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It was not blindness or incompetence. The GOP did not want a "red wave." They did not want to win. They wanted to barely squeak by and end up with thin majorities and no mandate, but with additional power positions. That's it. They didn't want a victory.
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I don't disagree, but I call this incompetence.
This is failure to understand the risks you are taking my purposely tanking certain elections because you don't want that candidate to win.
Do the Democrats do this? No, they do not.
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I don't disagree, but I call this incompetence.
This is failure to understand the risks you are taking my purposely tanking certain elections because you don't want that candidate to win.
Do the Democrats do this? No, they do not.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:12 AM (5p7BC)
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4. Cheat to the greatest extent you think you can get away with. Harvest ballots, target institutional populations - everything the Dems do, they need to do, too, as carefully as they can manage.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
IOW, if you have 5 million registered voters, turn in 15 million ballots for your guy. Fuck the dems.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
IOW, if you have 5 million registered voters, turn in 15 million ballots for your guy. Fuck the dems.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 11:12 AM (R3En5)
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>> Ronna Romney and the RNC have put together a 'task force' to analyze what happened in the mid-terms, and make recommendations.
Step down. Nobody wants a Romney involved.
Step down. Nobody wants a Romney involved.
Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2022 11:12 AM (HF1PR)
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Not to worry, The GOP is putting together a blue ribbon, "LESSONS LEARNED," committee that will issue a report sometime in late 23 early 24. ...
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 01, 2022 11:08 AM (nYEBo)
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They'll issue their report well before then. It will say, essentially, "the MAGA message is off-putting and Trump's influence is corrosive to the natural Republican vote in various key states. We need to return to being a center-left party and repudiate the MAGA ideology." A few people will dissent. The GOP machinery will double down on what lost them (deliberately) the election this year unless the MAGA types go away.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 01, 2022 11:08 AM (nYEBo)
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They'll issue their report well before then. It will say, essentially, "the MAGA message is off-putting and Trump's influence is corrosive to the natural Republican vote in various key states. We need to return to being a center-left party and repudiate the MAGA ideology." A few people will dissent. The GOP machinery will double down on what lost them (deliberately) the election this year unless the MAGA types go away.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 11:13 AM (t0OGg)
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Not giving them any money...haven't since the tea party betrayal.
Posted by: BignJames at December 01, 2022 11:13 AM (AwYPR)
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If Republicans want to win, they are going to have to be more inclusive.
Free air fare for millions of illegal aliens would be just a start - legalizing Pedophilia, and a monthly marihuana stipend are simply common sense solutions.
Free air fare for millions of illegal aliens would be just a start - legalizing Pedophilia, and a monthly marihuana stipend are simply common sense solutions.
Posted by: Common Tater at December 01, 2022 11:13 AM (34mN2)
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@25
>>Banked a 250k FAKE ballot lead.
Be that as it may, Warnock has a very large, very substantial ballot lead that is going to be hard to overcome.
Again, as Fredericks noted, when the Donks judge shopped to get early voting started even earlier, the Donks immediately started early balloting, meanwhile the GOP went to court and lost, they went back to court and lost, instead of spinning up any early balloting, and wasted weeks fighting a losing battle.
Again, elections of the past are over and now it's simply a game of who can collect as many pieces of paper and jam them into tabulators.
>>Banked a 250k FAKE ballot lead.
Be that as it may, Warnock has a very large, very substantial ballot lead that is going to be hard to overcome.
Again, as Fredericks noted, when the Donks judge shopped to get early voting started even earlier, the Donks immediately started early balloting, meanwhile the GOP went to court and lost, they went back to court and lost, instead of spinning up any early balloting, and wasted weeks fighting a losing battle.
Again, elections of the past are over and now it's simply a game of who can collect as many pieces of paper and jam them into tabulators.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 01, 2022 11:15 AM (nYEBo)
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I've noticed that the two states I've lived in the most, Georgia and Kansas have become increasingly leftist controlled.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 01, 2022 11:05 AM (hwaFC)
We can safely conclude that all this shit is banana Dream's fault.
Posted by: banana Dream at December 01, 2022 11:05 AM (hwaFC)
We can safely conclude that all this shit is banana Dream's fault.
Posted by: spindrift at December 01, 2022 11:15 AM (h5TKJ)
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I don't disagree, but I call this incompetence.
This is failure to understand the risks you are taking my purposely tanking certain elections because you don't want that candidate to win.
Do the Democrats do this? No, they do not.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:12 AM (5p7BC)
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It isn't incompetence. It might be hubris and it might be reckless, but it isn't incompetent. The Democrats don't do this because they want to win. They're in charge and even a weak victory still runs up their numbers.
The Republican side of the Uniparty is different. They are happy with - in fact, they actively court - weak candidates and weak victories. It's the *strong* candidates that they attack, not the weak ones. They don't want them in play, because they might upset the corrupt, feculent, rotten apple cart they have set up in Washington.
This is failure to understand the risks you are taking my purposely tanking certain elections because you don't want that candidate to win.
Do the Democrats do this? No, they do not.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:12 AM (5p7BC)
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It isn't incompetence. It might be hubris and it might be reckless, but it isn't incompetent. The Democrats don't do this because they want to win. They're in charge and even a weak victory still runs up their numbers.
The Republican side of the Uniparty is different. They are happy with - in fact, they actively court - weak candidates and weak victories. It's the *strong* candidates that they attack, not the weak ones. They don't want them in play, because they might upset the corrupt, feculent, rotten apple cart they have set up in Washington.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 11:15 AM (t0OGg)
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Pigs are flying over a frozen Hell! CNN commits a random act of journalism.
https://bit.ly/3ue1GKQ
https://bit.ly/3ue1GKQ
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 01, 2022 11:15 AM (FVME7)
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Hey Dave, what about the article JJ linked to in yesterday's Morning report. Thoughts?
Here’s How They Did it: Real-time Election Fraud
t.ly/V-GO
Here’s How They Did it: Real-time Election Fraud
t.ly/V-GO
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 01, 2022 11:15 AM (ddFzi)
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>>Montana - I have no explanation for the R+0 in this state. It appears to me that the Democrats were making a play for one of the congressional seats and came up a bit short.
We are a Purple State.
And we will remain so until the Union Families die out and the Universities are shut down.
Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2022 11:11 AM (HF1PR)
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Yep, most of my relatives in Butte (an old mining town) possess and live conservative values, but always vote "D" because "Unions!"
If we had no Universities in Arizona, plus a wall along the Mexican and California borders, AZ would be an R+30 state.
[And too bad John Dutton isn't the actual Governor there ...]
We are a Purple State.
And we will remain so until the Union Families die out and the Universities are shut down.
Posted by: garrett at December 01, 2022 11:11 AM (HF1PR)
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Yep, most of my relatives in Butte (an old mining town) possess and live conservative values, but always vote "D" because "Unions!"
If we had no Universities in Arizona, plus a wall along the Mexican and California borders, AZ would be an R+30 state.
[And too bad John Dutton isn't the actual Governor there ...]
Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at December 01, 2022 11:16 AM (K3TEc)
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Looks like Apple has got its dick caught in a meat grinder.
DeSantis Rips Apple For Crushing Free Speech In China, US: “Vassal of The CCP”..
DeSantis Rips Apple For Crushing Free Speech In China, US: “Vassal of The CCP”..
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 01, 2022 11:17 AM (FVME7)
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R+0 in Washington State.
100% vote by mail. Perfected by the dems in 2004. Republicans will never win in this state again.
100% vote by mail. Perfected by the dems in 2004. Republicans will never win in this state again.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 01, 2022 11:17 AM (anj39)
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Yes, let's pretend don't know if there was fraud that affected elections. Let's wait until absolutely everyone agrees that fraud is a problem before we investigate and punish. Waiting works every time there's corruption!
Posted by: Editor at December 01, 2022 11:18 AM (4DcbE)
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> This is failure to understand the risks you are taking my purposely tanking certain elections because you don't want that candidate to win.
Do the Democrats do this? No, they do not.
_____________
Sabotaging your own electorate is unforgivable.
Do the Democrats do this? No, they do not.
_____________
Sabotaging your own electorate is unforgivable.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 01, 2022 11:18 AM (Q4IgG)
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]i]Pennsylvania - R+0 when every neighboring state moved toward the Republicans in significant numbers. There are areas in the Northeast and Southwest where people who voted for Trump in 2020 appear to have not voted, or at least their vote share was overwhelmed by Democrat votes in the region.
the allowance of mail-in ballots will make it very difficult for any GOP to attain statewide office in future. In 2016, Trump defeated the SOP cheat because mail-in ballots were not in practice.
the allowance of mail-in ballots will make it very difficult for any GOP to attain statewide office in future. In 2016, Trump defeated the SOP cheat because mail-in ballots were not in practice.
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2022 11:19 AM (dCxaZ)
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Dem postal workers get caught dumping ballots and nothing happens to them. R's get caught "parading" at the capitol and are locked up for two years without trial.
GatewayP has another cheat ... they change the zip codes for a day, mail them and change the zip back. Someone then collects the wrongly addressed ballots, and manages to vote with them. Some voters might show up to vote and be told they already voted ... (then who "adjudicates" which vote counts?)
The full power of DOJ and FBI is helping with all the cheats. Chain of custody violations are ignored, nothing happens to them. There might still ways to overcome the criminals running government, or maybe not ... they just cheat more and threaten any that protest. But still important to vote, and get involved.
GatewayP has another cheat ... they change the zip codes for a day, mail them and change the zip back. Someone then collects the wrongly addressed ballots, and manages to vote with them. Some voters might show up to vote and be told they already voted ... (then who "adjudicates" which vote counts?)
The full power of DOJ and FBI is helping with all the cheats. Chain of custody violations are ignored, nothing happens to them. There might still ways to overcome the criminals running government, or maybe not ... they just cheat more and threaten any that protest. But still important to vote, and get involved.
Posted by: illiniwek at December 01, 2022 11:19 AM (Cus5s)
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The only bright-side to the likely loss by Walker in the run-off is that this loss will be squarely on Kemp and McConnell. They are the ones putting the mighty weight of their electoral juggernaut behind the Walker runoff. This loss will be blamed directly on the GOPe.
As said upthread, the Democrat machine has banked a 250K lead already. Walker needs massive election day turnout in the counties outside Atlanta. There is huge risk in depending on this outcome. Which is why Florida was so effective. It is easier to win when you get to election day leading.
As said upthread, the Democrat machine has banked a 250K lead already. Walker needs massive election day turnout in the counties outside Atlanta. There is huge risk in depending on this outcome. Which is why Florida was so effective. It is easier to win when you get to election day leading.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:19 AM (5p7BC)
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Dave,
I really appreciate your analysis. Thanxs!
I really appreciate your analysis. Thanxs!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 01, 2022 11:20 AM (anj39)
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Democrat Politician: Rubbing my nuts against concrete really tears up my skin!
Me: Then STOP doing that.
DP: So you conservatives DON'T have a solution!
Democrat Politician: Rubbing my nuts against concrete really tears up my skin!
Me: Then STOP doing that.
DP: So you conservatives DON'T have a solution!
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 11:20 AM (krQz2)
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Also, in PA control of elections in the all important Philly collar flipped to the demorats in 2017. So now when "R" candidates have legitimate concerns about vote counts and tallies, and seek audits, guess what happens?
When the County Councils flipped to demorat I knew what was coming: PA will go the way of NY and IL.
When the County Councils flipped to demorat I knew what was coming: PA will go the way of NY and IL.
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2022 11:21 AM (dCxaZ)
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I did lose my bid for school board in a small Indiana town. Voter turnout was a full 10% LESS than 4 years ago. I did garner 31% of the votes, atteibuting my loss to- working entirely alone, waiting until 10 days before election day to begin campaigning, not raising any money at all for signs, ads, etc, and running against an entrenched Karen with 3 terms on the board already.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 01, 2022 11:21 AM (3Or4S)
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Article at American Thinker yesterday Delaware County maul voting in summer was off the charts compared to every other County including Philadelphia. Delaware had the only spikes when every other was near flat line 0.
Posted by: Skip's phone at December 01, 2022 11:21 AM (5UbrK)
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Yep, most of my relatives in Butte (an old mining town) possess and live conservative values, but always vote "D" because "Unions!"
I wonder how those ranchers would all feel if their cowboys unionized?
I wonder how those ranchers would all feel if their cowboys unionized?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 11:21 AM (R3En5)
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Removing Liz Cheney is an R+1 in WY.
Posted by: Bourgeoisie Bouillabaisse at December 01, 2022 11:22 AM (x8HKZ)
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Is there any reason to tabulate anything before all reporting is complete?
In other words, can we stop with the late reporting Dem stronghold that manages to eke out just enough votes to win?
In other words, can we stop with the late reporting Dem stronghold that manages to eke out just enough votes to win?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at December 01, 2022 11:22 AM (cupoy)
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The only bright-side to the likely loss by Walker in the run-off is that this loss will be squarely on Kemp and McConnell. They are the ones putting the mighty weight of their electoral juggernaut behind the Walker runoff. This loss will be blamed directly on the GOPe. ...
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:19 AM (5p7BC)
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Sure, but it won't matter. They're going to re-elect the same leadership. The RNC leadership will remain intact. McConnell is going to remain in position. McCarthy will either remain in position or petulantly destroy the entire the Party in the fight in the House.
I hope for the latter outcome. Take the House majority and leave a Democrat speaker in place. Who cares at this point. McCarthy and the Freedom Caucus both holding out, creating a deadlock and failing to secure the Speakership is probably the best outcome. The GOP probably dies if that happens.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:19 AM (5p7BC)
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Sure, but it won't matter. They're going to re-elect the same leadership. The RNC leadership will remain intact. McConnell is going to remain in position. McCarthy will either remain in position or petulantly destroy the entire the Party in the fight in the House.
I hope for the latter outcome. Take the House majority and leave a Democrat speaker in place. Who cares at this point. McCarthy and the Freedom Caucus both holding out, creating a deadlock and failing to secure the Speakership is probably the best outcome. The GOP probably dies if that happens.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 11:22 AM (t0OGg)
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Dave,
I really appreciate your analysis. Thanxs!
Posted by: Diogenes
Ditto! Dave, you do the numbers I couldn't do.
Thank you.
I really appreciate your analysis. Thanxs!
Posted by: Diogenes
Ditto! Dave, you do the numbers I couldn't do.
Thank you.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 11:22 AM (R3En5)
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@45
>>Yes, let's pretend don't know if there was fraud that affected elections.
Everyone knows there is fraud but getting a court to hear any of these suits and cases is nigh impossible without substantial, incontrovertible evidence of the fraud, that can't be produced because the perpetrators of the fraud control the system and thus can delay, obfuscate and deny access to the machines and ballots.
So the only way forward as others have said is to create a ballot harvesting and ballot fortification juggernaut that swamps the Donks efforts.
Anything else is masturbation.
>>Yes, let's pretend don't know if there was fraud that affected elections.
Everyone knows there is fraud but getting a court to hear any of these suits and cases is nigh impossible without substantial, incontrovertible evidence of the fraud, that can't be produced because the perpetrators of the fraud control the system and thus can delay, obfuscate and deny access to the machines and ballots.
So the only way forward as others have said is to create a ballot harvesting and ballot fortification juggernaut that swamps the Donks efforts.
Anything else is masturbation.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 01, 2022 11:23 AM (nYEBo)
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Fighting mail in voting just makes people mad. I know we've historically had "election day" but I think it's time to understand that is over. We have to fight the battle on the field which it exists. Once we become just as facile at get out the vote ballot targeting and harvesting, we'll again have a chance to win (looks like that's what happened in FL).
Posted by: Farmer Bob at December 01, 2022 11:24 AM (N1S7a)
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each state GOP needs to push their voters to vote ANY legal way available and as soon as its available ... early voting or mail in voting ... get those votes in the bank ... play the game by the CURRENT rules instead of complaining about the current rules (yes they encourage fraud but they are currently legal) ... win the election THEN change the election process ...
Posted by: The Dark Lord at December 01, 2022 11:24 AM (5cMUX)
Posted by: Jeffrey Tubin at December 01, 2022 11:24 AM (HF1PR)
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I'd like to see DMs documenting the fraud released by Elon, not that it would change anything
Posted by: Zeera. 'We want fun and we wanna get wasted!' at December 01, 2022 11:24 AM (KqkX0)
Posted by: Do you believe? at December 01, 2022 11:25 AM (NEZCA)
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When some poll worker in Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee, or Atlanta gets arrested for filling out hundreds of ballots for people who didn't actually vote, I will believe our elections are legitimate.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 01, 2022 11:26 AM (lTGtQ)
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Wyoming R+0 is because all the Democrats in Wyoming are registered Republicans to vote in the GOP primary. Many of the states Democrats are already in elected office. As Republicans, like our governor.
Posted by: I M Simpleton at December 01, 2022 11:26 AM (jQBOW)
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Oh Goodie
A Conference on What Went Wrong!
A Post Mortem ™
Spoiler Alert: they conclude after careful study that Candidate Quality Matters ™ The only solution is more Saboteurs owing their allegiance to Mitch and Kevin.
Fuck them and fuck the nitwits on our side who keep falling for it
A Conference on What Went Wrong!
A Post Mortem ™
Spoiler Alert: they conclude after careful study that Candidate Quality Matters ™ The only solution is more Saboteurs owing their allegiance to Mitch and Kevin.
Fuck them and fuck the nitwits on our side who keep falling for it
Posted by: Ex-GOP at December 01, 2022 11:27 AM (YTBIQ)
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If we had no Universities in Arizona, plus a wall along the Mexican and California borders, AZ would be an R+30 state.
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Speaking of which, heard a local pol here on talk radio note that they sent tens of thousands of ballots to the students at U of A, AZ State, & NAU (total student body of about 130,000) -- where they were harvested and counted at a rate of 95% votes for Democrats.
THAT ALONE was enough to steal the election from Lake, Masters, et. al.
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Speaking of which, heard a local pol here on talk radio note that they sent tens of thousands of ballots to the students at U of A, AZ State, & NAU (total student body of about 130,000) -- where they were harvested and counted at a rate of 95% votes for Democrats.
THAT ALONE was enough to steal the election from Lake, Masters, et. al.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at December 01, 2022 11:27 AM (K3TEc)
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The top Democrat priority was keeping control of the Senate and they succeeded. The Republicans better figure out how to kill or beat the cheat in 2024.
Posted by: Gref at December 01, 2022 11:27 AM (AMIL/)
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I saw the Entrenched Karens open for Dropkick Murphy's at the Lizard Lounge in '98.
Posted by: Bourbonchicken at December 01, 2022 11:27 AM (44ww/)
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In the end, we did our part. It was registered independents that flipped to the Democrats in big numbers that cost a lot of these elections, at least in AZ.
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Their ballots flipped, the voters didn't. Quit pretending those mail-in ballots were legitimate.
Election DAY voting by Independents was 68% for Lake.
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Their ballots flipped, the voters didn't. Quit pretending those mail-in ballots were legitimate.
Election DAY voting by Independents was 68% for Lake.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:27 AM (5p7BC)
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Chapter 10 of The Hangman and His Wife by Nancy Dougherty, entitled The Rules of the Game, Hitler's actual method of achieving and maintaining power is described. One may be forgiven for seeing certain similarities with today's Democrat party.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 01, 2022 11:29 AM (FVME7)
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Here’s How They Did it: Real-time Election Fraud
The title should be: Here's why every democrat election fixer deserves a bullet in the head.
Here’s How They Did it: Real-time Election Fraud
The title should be: Here's why every democrat election fixer deserves a bullet in the head.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 01, 2022 11:30 AM (vNbzm)
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Post election Republicans in the senate immediately passed an attack on religious liberty. Before that they helped Democrats pass a phony infrastructure bill that, as the critics correctly stated, is helping to further devastate our economy.
Right now they are queuing up an omnibus spending bill that has every Democrat priority in it, along with a massive spending increase the economy cannot afford. McConnell and the Vichy Senate Republicans are fully on board. That is, instead of passing a CR into January where we would have control of the House and drive the process. Oddly, McCarthy is actually supporting the latter.
People like McConnell and the 12 Vichy Republicans, including the turncoat Jodi Ernst, guarantee electoral loses before the voting even gets started. These types also permeate the RNC and are largely to blame for both a lack of motivation and an effective battle plan to win. Until they are wiped from the process, nothing will change.
Right now they are queuing up an omnibus spending bill that has every Democrat priority in it, along with a massive spending increase the economy cannot afford. McConnell and the Vichy Senate Republicans are fully on board. That is, instead of passing a CR into January where we would have control of the House and drive the process. Oddly, McCarthy is actually supporting the latter.
People like McConnell and the 12 Vichy Republicans, including the turncoat Jodi Ernst, guarantee electoral loses before the voting even gets started. These types also permeate the RNC and are largely to blame for both a lack of motivation and an effective battle plan to win. Until they are wiped from the process, nothing will change.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 11:30 AM (vBMpQ)
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Who is going to figure out and IMPLEMENT stop the cheat ( or outcheat) for 2024? Nobody, that’s who.
Posted by: kraken at December 01, 2022 11:30 AM (Vr12I)
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We had Kari Lake telling people to vote day of, and guess what? They ran out of ballots and people just went home instead of waiting in line hours on end.
People will find any reason to not vote, you dont want to lose even 1% of your voters because things come up on Election Day.
Posted by: Hylian at December 01, 2022 11:29 AM (dpIbY)
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If you are a conservative in a Dem-run district, no shit, don't wait, vote mail-in.
I mean, they can still conveniently drop your ballet behind a file cabinet, but it does give a chance besides day-of sabotage.
People will find any reason to not vote, you dont want to lose even 1% of your voters because things come up on Election Day.
Posted by: Hylian at December 01, 2022 11:29 AM (dpIbY)
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If you are a conservative in a Dem-run district, no shit, don't wait, vote mail-in.
I mean, they can still conveniently drop your ballet behind a file cabinet, but it does give a chance besides day-of sabotage.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 11:32 AM (krQz2)
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In Pennsylvania’s Delaware County, election “officials took a detour on election night with the county’s ballots and v-drives into a closed building for six hours. Poll watchers were prevented from entering the building at the time.” Legal complaints have been filed.
t.ly/c8VL
t.ly/c8VL
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 01, 2022 11:32 AM (ddFzi)
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Mail In Ballots was always the big win for Dropping the Bio Bomb on the World. They own the country cuz of this. Long March. True Believers. They think this way.
Posted by: Puddinhead at December 01, 2022 11:33 AM (LQjWA)
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There was election day shennaningans in Maricopa, and it probably made the difference in close races. But I would say it's in that .1% range.
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This is also wrong. Maricopa election day problems affected Republican strongholds only. Conservative estimates are that 80,000 people were not able to vote, who intended to. That election day vote in those precincts went over 70% to Lake.
Those machine "problems" absolutely cost Lake the election.
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This is also wrong. Maricopa election day problems affected Republican strongholds only. Conservative estimates are that 80,000 people were not able to vote, who intended to. That election day vote in those precincts went over 70% to Lake.
Those machine "problems" absolutely cost Lake the election.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:33 AM (5p7BC)
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It also means that wherever Donks have a registration advantage, they will be able to leverage that into a ballot lead most of the time.
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Its the "registration" advantage. Those people aren't voting, some of them are dead. If you clean up the rolls, you reduce the margin of their ability to "harvest". They are cheating their assess off and have been for years. The only reason Trump won is because they totally underestimated the level of support he had, and how weak Hillary's support was - they didn't have enough juice in the system to spin up enough votes for her to win.
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Its the "registration" advantage. Those people aren't voting, some of them are dead. If you clean up the rolls, you reduce the margin of their ability to "harvest". They are cheating their assess off and have been for years. The only reason Trump won is because they totally underestimated the level of support he had, and how weak Hillary's support was - they didn't have enough juice in the system to spin up enough votes for her to win.
Posted by: Do you believe? at December 01, 2022 11:34 AM (xSecF)
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Bottom line is Mail in voting except for the military and the disabled, should be banned for Federal office elections.
Posted by: polynikes at December 01, 2022 11:34 AM (ISz6t)
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I should amend that. Even if you're not conservative, but you live in a Dem-run district and want to make sure you vote for somebody other than a Dem, you should vote early.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 11:34 AM (krQz2)
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 01, 2022 11:29 AM (FVME7)
The election just prior to him becoming Fuhrer , stopping all elections and dissolving all competing parties, he still only managed 44% of the vote, this with Goebbels in full effect and the StormTroopers visiting violence and death on dissenters.
I think this 44% figure is just about where this country stands wrt actual demorat VOTES, not ballots.
The election just prior to him becoming Fuhrer , stopping all elections and dissolving all competing parties, he still only managed 44% of the vote, this with Goebbels in full effect and the StormTroopers visiting violence and death on dissenters.
I think this 44% figure is just about where this country stands wrt actual demorat VOTES, not ballots.
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2022 11:34 AM (dCxaZ)
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By the way, a lot of Republicans like to complain. They complain about the process. They complain about the organization and tactics. They don't get involved at all, then complain some more when they get out-hustled by Democrats.
You don't win a battle by complaining about the enemies effectiveness. You win it by matching and then exceeding their efforts.
You don't win a battle by complaining about the enemies effectiveness. You win it by matching and then exceeding their efforts.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 11:35 AM (vBMpQ)
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Dave In Fla - nice work as far as it goes, but you left out the elephant in the living room for example and action.
Mitch McConnell, the Senate Minority Leader, used national Republican funds and his personal political power to support an independent candidate, Lisa Murkowski (a putative Republican) against the Alaska Republican nominee, Kelly Tshibaka. Murkowski benefited mightily from the brand-new ranking system, as did the Dem Congresswoman, Mary Peltola. McConnell and his bunch have loyalty to one party only, and that's the Uniparty.
Mitch McConnell, the Senate Minority Leader, used national Republican funds and his personal political power to support an independent candidate, Lisa Murkowski (a putative Republican) against the Alaska Republican nominee, Kelly Tshibaka. Murkowski benefited mightily from the brand-new ranking system, as did the Dem Congresswoman, Mary Peltola. McConnell and his bunch have loyalty to one party only, and that's the Uniparty.
Posted by: mrp at December 01, 2022 11:35 AM (6eRlp)
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the left is tired of losing wars and they mean to win this one
WWII and the cold war slipped thru their fingers
WWII and the cold war slipped thru their fingers
Posted by: REDACTED at December 01, 2022 11:35 AM (us2H3)
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41 Hey Dave, what about the article JJ linked to in yesterday's Morning report. Thoughts?
Here’s How They Did it: Real-time Election Fraud
t.ly/V-GO
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 01, 2022 11:15 AM (ddFzi)
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Obsolete Stalin Quote: "The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do."
Updated Quote for US Elections: "The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who manufacture votes and count the votes do."
Here’s How They Did it: Real-time Election Fraud
t.ly/V-GO
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 01, 2022 11:15 AM (ddFzi)
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Obsolete Stalin Quote: "The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do."
Updated Quote for US Elections: "The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who manufacture votes and count the votes do."
Posted by: Gref at December 01, 2022 11:35 AM (AMIL/)
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Posted by: Hylian at December 01, 2022 11:29 AM (dpIbY)
Is it your job to come here to stir up shit? That's all you do.
Is it your job to come here to stir up shit? That's all you do.
Posted by: polynikes at December 01, 2022 11:36 AM (ISz6t)
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'But I would say it's in that .1% range.'
If your 'friend' says this number, then I'm running to the bank with that!
'But I would say it's in that .1% range.'
If your 'friend' says this number, then I'm running to the bank with that!
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 01, 2022 11:36 AM (vNbzm)
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Marcus - Which is why the California GOP did very well this election. They figured out how to effectively ballot harvest.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:36 AM (5p7BC)
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Mr New Nic knows everything.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 01, 2022 11:36 AM (vCY3B)
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You're ignoring the most glaring demonstration of the HUGE amount of fraud in Arizona.
Namely, the fact that for the results to be legitimate, that over 100,000 voters had to have wanted a straight ticket Democrat government EXCEPT for the completely unknown 'State Treasurer', a job most of them probably don't even know exists. They couldn't have just left other sections blank because the total votes for all offices is relatively the same.
Its blatantly obvious somebody on the D side either forgot or simply screwed up the vote switching algorithm for State Treasurer, which is why she won a huge victory and every other Republican lost.
Namely, the fact that for the results to be legitimate, that over 100,000 voters had to have wanted a straight ticket Democrat government EXCEPT for the completely unknown 'State Treasurer', a job most of them probably don't even know exists. They couldn't have just left other sections blank because the total votes for all offices is relatively the same.
Its blatantly obvious somebody on the D side either forgot or simply screwed up the vote switching algorithm for State Treasurer, which is why she won a huge victory and every other Republican lost.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 01, 2022 11:37 AM (setIA)
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If my sarcasm was too subtle for you, I'm saying take your made up numbers and shove them.
If my sarcasm was too subtle for you, I'm saying take your made up numbers and shove them.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 01, 2022 11:37 AM (vNbzm)
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Kari also went too Trumpy, had she dialed it back and stopped the infighting, she would have won. The Republicans that never went near Trump won comfortably.
That's been repeatedly disproven, but keep riding DNC dick.
That's been repeatedly disproven, but keep riding DNC dick.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 01, 2022 11:38 AM (ZGrMX)
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This is also wrong. Maricopa election day problems affected Republican strongholds only. Conservative estimates are that 80,000 people were not able to vote, who intended to. That election day vote in those precincts went over 70% to Lake.
Those machine "problems" absolutely cost Lake the election.
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but that's not exactly - "Democrats were able to over perform" Its cheating. They cheat their asses off and get away with it. That's not to say the GOPe can't improve. But you have to call cheaters CHEATERS. Astro's are still getting boo'd. Brady still hears about deflate gate and his small hands. Barry Bonds hat size increased like 2 inches. Fcukin' cheaters.
Those machine "problems" absolutely cost Lake the election.
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but that's not exactly - "Democrats were able to over perform" Its cheating. They cheat their asses off and get away with it. That's not to say the GOPe can't improve. But you have to call cheaters CHEATERS. Astro's are still getting boo'd. Brady still hears about deflate gate and his small hands. Barry Bonds hat size increased like 2 inches. Fcukin' cheaters.
Posted by: I'm just sayin at December 01, 2022 11:38 AM (5Bgyi)
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Fuck off, moby.
Posted by: Bourbonchicken at December 01, 2022 11:38 AM (44ww/)
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 11:38 AM (krQz2)
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Arizona allows illegals to attend universities, no? Nice play to send ballots there.
Posted by: runner at December 01, 2022 11:38 AM (CJyOE)
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"Wisconsin - Similar to Georgia and Minnesota. Outside the urban areas you saw R+6, but in the urban areas it was R+0. This cannot be explained by calling Michaels a bad candidate or not spending enough money."
I don't know about that. Even in my tiny Republican dominated county Ron Johnson got 8200 votes compared to Michels 7700 votes.
I don't know about that. Even in my tiny Republican dominated county Ron Johnson got 8200 votes compared to Michels 7700 votes.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 01, 2022 11:38 AM (76Foq)
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"Marcus - Which is why the California GOP did very well this election. They figured out how to effectively ballot harvest.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:36 AM (5p7BC)"
We were also effective here in NY. But we did it largely without the state GOP. There was a decent amount of support in key races from some of the national organizations. It also helped that candidates tailored their message to the electorate and focused on the issues, rather then being beholden to a persona or national interest group.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:36 AM (5p7BC)"
We were also effective here in NY. But we did it largely without the state GOP. There was a decent amount of support in key races from some of the national organizations. It also helped that candidates tailored their message to the electorate and focused on the issues, rather then being beholden to a persona or national interest group.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 11:39 AM (vBMpQ)
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hiya
Posted by: JT at December 01, 2022 11:40 AM (T4tVD)
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South Dakota is missing from the list.
Posted by: Just Lily at December 01, 2022 11:40 AM (7I07s)
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Its blatantly obvious somebody on the D side either forgot or simply screwed up the vote switching algorithm for State Treasurer, which is why she won a huge victory and every other Republican lost.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 01, 2022 11:37 AM (setIA)
That one may have been an intentional Dem sacrifice to be able to say, "Hey, if we cheated how did so-and-so win big? Huh? How about it, Republican election deniers?"
Its blatantly obvious somebody on the D side either forgot or simply screwed up the vote switching algorithm for State Treasurer, which is why she won a huge victory and every other Republican lost.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 01, 2022 11:37 AM (setIA)
That one may have been an intentional Dem sacrifice to be able to say, "Hey, if we cheated how did so-and-so win big? Huh? How about it, Republican election deniers?"
Posted by: Gref at December 01, 2022 11:40 AM (AMIL/)
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I want everyone read what Hylian is saying. It is very important to understanding my point.
THIS is what learning the wrong lessons of 2018 and 2020 means.
This view of the situation is so wrong as to be almost laughable, yet it WILL be the lesson the RNC "learns" from 2022, which will allow the Democrats to do this all again next cycle.
Which is why there is no path to 270.
THIS is what learning the wrong lessons of 2018 and 2020 means.
This view of the situation is so wrong as to be almost laughable, yet it WILL be the lesson the RNC "learns" from 2022, which will allow the Democrats to do this all again next cycle.
Which is why there is no path to 270.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:40 AM (5p7BC)
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 01, 2022 11:41 AM (ddFzi)
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Fighting mail in voting just makes people mad. I know we've historically had "election day" but I think it's time to understand that is over. We have to fight the battle on the field which it exists. Once we become just as facile at get out the vote ballot targeting and harvesting, we'll again have a chance to win (looks like that's what happened in FL).
Posted by: Farmer Bob
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Amen to this. Cat's out of the bag. Either change the laws or start playing by the new rules.
Fuck that shit. ONE DAY. NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
You know for 364 days prior just what day voting day is. If you can't show up to the polls that day, you don't vote. That's on you.
ONLY EXEMPTION IS DEPLOYED MILITARY.
Posted by: Farmer Bob
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Amen to this. Cat's out of the bag. Either change the laws or start playing by the new rules.
Fuck that shit. ONE DAY. NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
You know for 364 days prior just what day voting day is. If you can't show up to the polls that day, you don't vote. That's on you.
ONLY EXEMPTION IS DEPLOYED MILITARY.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 11:41 AM (R3En5)
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Its not warm out thar.
Posted by: JT at December 01, 2022 11:41 AM (T4tVD)
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South Dakota is missing from the list.
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As is North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii. I explain why in the text.
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As is North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii. I explain why in the text.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:42 AM (5p7BC)
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Hey Dave, what about the article JJ linked to in yesterday's Morning report. Thoughts?
Here’s How They Did it: Real-time Election Fraud
t.ly/V-GO
Mandatory reading.
Here’s How They Did it: Real-time Election Fraud
t.ly/V-GO
Mandatory reading.
Posted by: DaisyB at December 01, 2022 11:42 AM (AbL8c)
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That Hylian fellow sure is a great guy.
Hi jeannebodine,
what was the name of the book you rec'd me last time?
Hi jeannebodine,
what was the name of the book you rec'd me last time?
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2022 11:42 AM (dCxaZ)
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This trend has resulted in political victory in 100% of the elections in this country dating back to the founding. 2022 is the first time in history that the election results did not reflect the national mood of the country.
hey-o!
hey-o!
Posted by: Mail In Voting at December 01, 2022 11:43 AM (lO5WT)
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Its blatantly obvious somebody on the D side either forgot or simply screwed up the vote switching algorithm for State Treasurer, which is why she won a huge victory and every other Republican lost.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 01, 2022 11:37 AM (setIA)
That one may have been an intentional Dem sacrifice to be able to say, "Hey, if we cheated how did so-and-so win big? Huh? How about it, Republican election deniers?"
Posted by: Gref at December 01, 2022 11:40 AM (AMIL/)
I would figure it's part of the process - that is, in 2020, Biden got his 81 million "votes", but the GOP picked up House seats and almost took control. Go figure.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 01, 2022 11:37 AM (setIA)
That one may have been an intentional Dem sacrifice to be able to say, "Hey, if we cheated how did so-and-so win big? Huh? How about it, Republican election deniers?"
Posted by: Gref at December 01, 2022 11:40 AM (AMIL/)
I would figure it's part of the process - that is, in 2020, Biden got his 81 million "votes", but the GOP picked up House seats and almost took control. Go figure.
Posted by: mrp at December 01, 2022 11:43 AM (6eRlp)
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Oregon switched to vote by mail in '98. I don't think Reps have won a Senate or governor race since. Democrats control the voting process. Until that changes, forget about winning.
Posted by: Mark in Winston at December 01, 2022 11:44 AM (IxS6k)
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Again, if it's ALL due to fraud, why only certain offices?
Posted by: Hylian at December 01, 2022 11:41 AM (dpIbY)
In 2020, PA state treasurer and auditor went Republican but top of the ticket went demorat because tens of thousands of mail-in ballots had only the top of the ticket filled in.
You're welcome.
Posted by: Hylian at December 01, 2022 11:41 AM (dpIbY)
In 2020, PA state treasurer and auditor went Republican but top of the ticket went demorat because tens of thousands of mail-in ballots had only the top of the ticket filled in.
You're welcome.
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2022 11:44 AM (dCxaZ)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 01, 2022 11:44 AM (pyVNc)
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Great analysis except I have a much simpler explanation: the Dums cheated like motherfuckers where they really needed to and we able to. Nothing happened in AZ or PA or GA that can't be explained by that. If it wasn't for that, we would have won. Period.
We can whine all we want about the impotence of the state GOP parties -- and with some exceptions they are indeed the Bros of political parties -- but the reality is if we don't fix these insane ballot procedures, we will never win again even with a strong party in those states. That is the end-all, be-all, and the hill of all hills to die on.
We can whine all we want about the impotence of the state GOP parties -- and with some exceptions they are indeed the Bros of political parties -- but the reality is if we don't fix these insane ballot procedures, we will never win again even with a strong party in those states. That is the end-all, be-all, and the hill of all hills to die on.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 01, 2022 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
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114 South Dakota is missing from the list.
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As is North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii. I explain why in the text.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:42 AM (5p7BC)
Yep. Sorry. Looked at the list, let you know. THEN read the content.
What can I say? I'm an 'ette. It's how I roll here.
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As is North Dakota, Alaska, and Hawaii. I explain why in the text.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:42 AM (5p7BC)
Yep. Sorry. Looked at the list, let you know. THEN read the content.
What can I say? I'm an 'ette. It's how I roll here.
Posted by: Just Lily at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (7I07s)
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I don't know how Connecticut can be R+10. We got our asses handed to us again. The Governor's race where Stefanowski ran again against Lamont lost by more than he did that last time. I think the only seat we picked up was that of the Dem Jahana Hayes.
Posted by: Jaimo at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (DBrN4)
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I don't know about that. Even in my tiny Republican dominated county Ron Johnson got 8200 votes compared to Michels 7700 votes.
Posted by: lowandslow
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Johnson was always running ahead of Michaels. Johnson should have won by 8 points. The "machine" in WI urban areas was able to get enough to pick off Michaels, but not enough to get Johnson.
Posted by: lowandslow
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Johnson was always running ahead of Michaels. Johnson should have won by 8 points. The "machine" in WI urban areas was able to get enough to pick off Michaels, but not enough to get Johnson.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (5p7BC)
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Refusing to learn the right lessons is a tough one. Accepting new reality requires nimbleness of mind and tactics. Apparently it's a talk order for the R side.
Posted by: runner at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (CJyOE)
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I think it's a number of factors, but I have ZERO doubt abortion was the biggest overriding factor. It was ALL Dems ran on in AZ and it worked. Really wish the Supreme Court had handled that much differently.
Posted by: Hylian at December
It was:
Fuktard Lindsey saying a national 15 week ban. That allowed EVERY D regardless where they ran to point to that single thing.
Scott's mention of renewal of SS/M-CARE every 5 years. Ds took that and ran.
Posted by: Hylian at December
It was:
Fuktard Lindsey saying a national 15 week ban. That allowed EVERY D regardless where they ran to point to that single thing.
Scott's mention of renewal of SS/M-CARE every 5 years. Ds took that and ran.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (b8J4P)
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Mail in voting and ballot harvesting destroys and link to the issues. It largely defies ballot secrecy and turn it more into a race of who can get enough votes for their party from people who are largely apathetic and put party loyalty (or a few bucks) over ballot integrity.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (vBMpQ)
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In my opinion, the GOP did well in NY and California because the Dems never imagined they'd need extra ballots in these 2 strongholds.
Doing well in NY and CA would normally be a sign of a huge election wave.
Doing well in NY and CA would normally be a sign of a huge election wave.
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 01, 2022 11:46 AM (ddFzi)
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I think I'll just post links to hot chicks on Instagram. Follow along unless you'd rather talk about failure and life under the Oligarchs of the Uniparty.
First up, a personal favorite: Summer Soderstrom:
https://www.instagram.com/summersoderstrom/
First up, a personal favorite: Summer Soderstrom:
https://www.instagram.com/summersoderstrom/
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 01, 2022 11:46 AM (pyVNc)
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I am late this morning. So CA GOP did something right? So did the NY GOP, right - did we not win some house races there?
Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at December 01, 2022 11:46 AM (mnUzy)
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Connecticut is a D+20 state in a normal election. In 2024 it was "only" D+10.
The numbers are showing relative performance over 2020, not the actual final vote in the state.
The numbers are showing relative performance over 2020, not the actual final vote in the state.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:47 AM (5p7BC)
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From my perspective the colossal Republican cockup in the midterms was a direct result of the GOP sitting on its ass, for years, while the Democrats ran amok nationally and fundamentally rigged elections from who gets the most votes wins to who gets the most ballots wins. Until election laws are fixed the odds of the current situation moving towards the Republicans on a grand scale are zero outside of its current strongholds.
All this talk that the problem was the polls can't be trusted or the candidates were not good enough is more hogwash than fact. I strongly suspect a major reason polls are completely fubar is elections are so gamed by the Democrats that attempting to poll the electorate is neigh impossible or more accurately useless. Same goes for candidates: how many stunning come from behind elections have the Democrats won over the last few elections? More than a few with the 2004 Washington State governor's race being the model for what is happening today. Kari Lake lost not because she was a weak candidate; she lost because she could never win.
All this talk that the problem was the polls can't be trusted or the candidates were not good enough is more hogwash than fact. I strongly suspect a major reason polls are completely fubar is elections are so gamed by the Democrats that attempting to poll the electorate is neigh impossible or more accurately useless. Same goes for candidates: how many stunning come from behind elections have the Democrats won over the last few elections? More than a few with the 2004 Washington State governor's race being the model for what is happening today. Kari Lake lost not because she was a weak candidate; she lost because she could never win.
Posted by: Lost in Space at December 01, 2022 11:47 AM (lrz3q)
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Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (vBMpQ)
Some of those Mail in voters were so apathetic that they didn't even know they voted.
Some of those Mail in voters were so apathetic that they didn't even know they voted.
Posted by: polynikes at December 01, 2022 11:48 AM (ISz6t)
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In 2020, PA state treasurer and auditor went Republican but top of the ticket went demorat because tens of thousands of mail-in ballots had only the top of the ticket filled in.
You're welcome.
Posted by: kallisto
Because that's all the time the fakers had.
You're welcome.
Posted by: kallisto
Because that's all the time the fakers had.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 11:48 AM (R3En5)
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Next up, another favorite: Brennah Black. This girl's body is frankly amazing. She's a work of art.
https://www.instagram.com/brennahblack/
https://www.instagram.com/brennahblack/
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 01, 2022 11:48 AM (pyVNc)
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We need to change the language to reflect what's actually happening now.
Not "Voters chose/did" but "Ballot total show..."
The voter-ballot connection is, at best, a gossamer tether at this point.
Not "Voters chose/did" but "Ballot total show..."
The voter-ballot connection is, at best, a gossamer tether at this point.
Posted by: DaisyB at December 01, 2022 11:49 AM (AbL8c)
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Posted by: Hylian at December 01, 2022 11:47 AM (dpIbY)
You are right up there with the Left on having difficulty with cause and effect.
You are right up there with the Left on having difficulty with cause and effect.
Posted by: polynikes at December 01, 2022 11:49 AM (ISz6t)
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I don't know how you keep banging your head on this Dave, but thanks.
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:50 AM (sn5EN)
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If there's fraud, why do people think the fraud cant happen on election day? it's sort of a stupid argument.
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No it isn't a stupid argument. A stupid argument is just calling something stupid without showing it.
If you have one day to vote, you only have one day to cheat. It takes a lot of time and leg work to execute a massive cheat operation and if you give people months or even weeks to vote, you advantage the cheaters and disadvantage those who respect the franchise. You may disagree, but its not stupid. Its a legit problem. You on the other hand don't offer any logical arguments. You give your opinions, backed up by special knowledge gleaned from your "friend" who runs a campaign, probably a dem, and you personal experience. That's fine. It is what it is. To be sooo strident, to work it endlessly like it is a job, means you either have OCD or you are in fact, working it like a job because it is a job. If you have OCD, I get it, that can be a tough one. Try and distract yourself with other things. Medication doesn't really help that much with it.
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No it isn't a stupid argument. A stupid argument is just calling something stupid without showing it.
If you have one day to vote, you only have one day to cheat. It takes a lot of time and leg work to execute a massive cheat operation and if you give people months or even weeks to vote, you advantage the cheaters and disadvantage those who respect the franchise. You may disagree, but its not stupid. Its a legit problem. You on the other hand don't offer any logical arguments. You give your opinions, backed up by special knowledge gleaned from your "friend" who runs a campaign, probably a dem, and you personal experience. That's fine. It is what it is. To be sooo strident, to work it endlessly like it is a job, means you either have OCD or you are in fact, working it like a job because it is a job. If you have OCD, I get it, that can be a tough one. Try and distract yourself with other things. Medication doesn't really help that much with it.
Posted by: Hylian you aren't convincing anyone of anything except you have some kind of an issue at December 01, 2022 11:50 AM (xSecF)
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It was:
Fuktard Lindsey saying a national 15 week ban. That allowed EVERY D regardless where they ran to point to that single thing.
Scott's mention of renewal of SS/M-CARE every 5 years. Ds took that and ran.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM
Yep and the dickwad introduced his legislation less than a month from election day, giving democrats exactly what they needed to motivate their base in crucial tossup seats that we needed to win.
I am 99.99% convinced he did it on purpose so the gop(e) would not win the Senate.
Fuktard Lindsey saying a national 15 week ban. That allowed EVERY D regardless where they ran to point to that single thing.
Scott's mention of renewal of SS/M-CARE every 5 years. Ds took that and ran.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM
Yep and the dickwad introduced his legislation less than a month from election day, giving democrats exactly what they needed to motivate their base in crucial tossup seats that we needed to win.
I am 99.99% convinced he did it on purpose so the gop(e) would not win the Senate.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 01, 2022 11:50 AM (uNylN)
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Democrat fraud has a long history? Made me think of the “ Dewey Defeats Truman” headline frome the 1948 election. Eh, maybe not, who knows.
Posted by: kraken at December 01, 2022 11:51 AM (Vr12I)
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Arizona allows illegals to attend universities, no? Nice play to send ballots there.
Posted by: runner at December 01, 2022 11:38 AM (CJyOE)
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And get to pay "in-state" tuition.
Posted by: runner at December 01, 2022 11:38 AM (CJyOE)
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And get to pay "in-state" tuition.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at December 01, 2022 11:51 AM (K3TEc)
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ONE DAY. NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
I agree. BUT that's not the way it is.
You have to play the hand that's dealt.
Not the hand you dream about.
ONE DAY. NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
I agree. BUT that's not the way it is.
You have to play the hand that's dealt.
Not the hand you dream about.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (63Dwl)
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I'm with you, but are Republicans therefore supposed to NOT vote early in the meantime because that somehow changes the law?
Posted by: Hylian
NO ONE votes early. Period. Full stop.
Voting Day is a National Holiday.
If you can't make in on voting day with 364 days warning, you really don't need to vote.
Won't happen because the republicans don't want to win.
Posted by: Hylian
NO ONE votes early. Period. Full stop.
Voting Day is a National Holiday.
If you can't make in on voting day with 364 days warning, you really don't need to vote.
Won't happen because the republicans don't want to win.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (R3En5)
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Yes, early and mail-in voting gives a lot more opportunities for the Dems to exploit. Now how do we get rid of it?
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (sn5EN)
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Joe Kent lost because that district is turning blue, due to the Portlanders moving to Clark County to get away from high property taxes (the other counties in the district are conservative).
The Dem Gov won re-election (from what I can tell) because the Repub candidate is GOPe, that voted for open borders. There was a conservative candidate running that likely split the vote.
The Dem Gov won re-election (from what I can tell) because the Repub candidate is GOPe, that voted for open borders. There was a conservative candidate running that likely split the vote.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 01, 2022 11:53 AM (uz3Px)
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Dave, I've lurked in and out of here for a while.
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and by lurked here, hylian means that hylian comments during elections and then manages to never come by again until the next election cycle. Its almost as if hylian gets paid to comment.
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and by lurked here, hylian means that hylian comments during elections and then manages to never come by again until the next election cycle. Its almost as if hylian gets paid to comment.
Posted by: Hylian you aren't convincing anyone of anything except you have some kind of an issue at December 01, 2022 11:53 AM (W2LDB)
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"I agree. BUT that's not the way it is.
You have to play the hand that's dealt.
Not the hand you dream about.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr."
You have to play as least as dirty as your opponent.
You have to play the hand that's dealt.
Not the hand you dream about.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr."
You have to play as least as dirty as your opponent.
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:53 AM (sn5EN)
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I agree. BUT that's not the way it is.
You have to play the hand that's dealt.
Not the hand you dream about.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (63Dwl)
You do but you don't concede. You play the game but continue to fight to change it. Too many people are just throwing their hands up and saying that's just the way it is now.
You have to play the hand that's dealt.
Not the hand you dream about.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (63Dwl)
You do but you don't concede. You play the game but continue to fight to change it. Too many people are just throwing their hands up and saying that's just the way it is now.
Posted by: polynikes at December 01, 2022 11:54 AM (ISz6t)
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my opinion is the GOP needs to back off and let the dims run the fucker into the ground
99% of the time, when they open their pieholes, they only make things worse
99% of the time, when they open their pieholes, they only make things worse
Posted by: REDACTED at December 01, 2022 11:54 AM (us2H3)
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128 Mail in voting and ballot harvesting destroys and link to the issues. It largely defies ballot secrecy and turn it more into a race of who can get enough votes for their party from people who are largely apathetic and put party loyalty (or a few bucks) over ballot integrity.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (vBMpQ)
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This. Plus, it creates "voters" where none were before. Harvesters are known to be pretty aggressive in pressuring people to turn over their ballots. How many people who aren't going to vote and don't care just hand over their ballots to get these annoying pests to go away? I'll guarantee you it's a high percentage. And that doesn't even count the illegal quid pro quos that also certainly happen in large numbers. "How about $50 for your families' four ballots?" "Sure, why not?"
Posted by: Marcus T at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (vBMpQ)
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This. Plus, it creates "voters" where none were before. Harvesters are known to be pretty aggressive in pressuring people to turn over their ballots. How many people who aren't going to vote and don't care just hand over their ballots to get these annoying pests to go away? I'll guarantee you it's a high percentage. And that doesn't even count the illegal quid pro quos that also certainly happen in large numbers. "How about $50 for your families' four ballots?" "Sure, why not?"
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 01, 2022 11:54 AM (iFTx/)
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Yes, early and mail-in voting gives a lot more opportunities for the Dems to exploit. Now how do we get rid of it?
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (sn5EN)
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We don't. Mail-in voting is here to stay wherever it exists. Any place that doesn't already have cheat-by-mail or early voting should never implement it, and the GOP needs to fight it tooth and nail if they try.
Where it already exists, though, it is never going away. It benefits the Democrats, largely, and they win with it. If a Republican were to cheat like the Democrats do and get away with it, then that machinery will benefit the local Republican establishment. In neither case would either party be interesting in getting rid of such a useful tool. Wherever these schemes exist, they will continue to exist forever. In areas that have those systems, the Republicans need a different playbook: the Dems' playbook.
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (sn5EN)
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We don't. Mail-in voting is here to stay wherever it exists. Any place that doesn't already have cheat-by-mail or early voting should never implement it, and the GOP needs to fight it tooth and nail if they try.
Where it already exists, though, it is never going away. It benefits the Democrats, largely, and they win with it. If a Republican were to cheat like the Democrats do and get away with it, then that machinery will benefit the local Republican establishment. In neither case would either party be interesting in getting rid of such a useful tool. Wherever these schemes exist, they will continue to exist forever. In areas that have those systems, the Republicans need a different playbook: the Dems' playbook.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 11:55 AM (t0OGg)
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"I agree. BUT that's not the way it is.
You have to play the hand that's dealt.
Not the hand you dream about.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr."
It has to change. There is no way forward otherwise.
You have to play the hand that's dealt.
Not the hand you dream about.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr."
It has to change. There is no way forward otherwise.
Posted by: DaisyB at December 01, 2022 11:55 AM (AbL8c)
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I agree. BUT that's not the way it is.
You have to play the hand that's dealt.
Not the hand you dream about.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Then if we don't cheat, we don't win. Period.
You have to play the hand that's dealt.
Not the hand you dream about.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Then if we don't cheat, we don't win. Period.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 11:55 AM (R3En5)
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148 Yes, early and mail-in voting gives a lot more opportunities for the Dems to exploit. Now how do we get rid of it?
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (sn5EN)
honestly don't think its going anywhere. so republicans can keep ignoring it and lose (with dignity) or join the 'cheat' and start winning. i bet if the GOP starts pushing early and main-in voting and starts winning, the Dems will try to get rid of it.
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (sn5EN)
honestly don't think its going anywhere. so republicans can keep ignoring it and lose (with dignity) or join the 'cheat' and start winning. i bet if the GOP starts pushing early and main-in voting and starts winning, the Dems will try to get rid of it.
Posted by: IC - #FJB #MitchTheBitch at December 01, 2022 11:55 AM (mnUzy)
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Too many people are just throwing their hands up and saying that's just the way it is now.
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Well we've been working hard to condition them to that "reality" haven't we?
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Well we've been working hard to condition them to that "reality" haven't we?
Posted by: GOPe leadership at December 01, 2022 11:55 AM (W2LDB)
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Fuuuuck.
I was up til 3am producing a 45sec ad in a real fire drill to get it out Dec. 1. Literally the very second I'm pressing the "export" button in Premiere, the phone rings - boss-lady needs *another* video (but not an ad, a training piece) done by *tomorrow.*
FML. I hate this time of year (work-wise, at least).
Fuuuuck.
I was up til 3am producing a 45sec ad in a real fire drill to get it out Dec. 1. Literally the very second I'm pressing the "export" button in Premiere, the phone rings - boss-lady needs *another* video (but not an ad, a training piece) done by *tomorrow.*
FML. I hate this time of year (work-wise, at least).
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 01, 2022 11:56 AM (oINRc)
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my opinion is the GOP needs to back off and let the dims run the fucker into the ground
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If the last ~2 years show anything, if the Dems run things we'll be in gulags for wrongthink.
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If the last ~2 years show anything, if the Dems run things we'll be in gulags for wrongthink.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 11:56 AM (krQz2)
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"i bet if the GOP starts pushing early and main-in voting and starts winning, the Dems will try to get rid of it.
Posted by: IC"
That is how you get rid of it. Beat them at their own game.
Posted by: IC"
That is how you get rid of it. Beat them at their own game.
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:56 AM (sn5EN)
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kallisto, the book is "The Parallel Election: A Blueprint for Deception : Evidence of Massive Election Fraud in Delaware County, Pennsylvania".
They really only have to take over the elections process in specific, large counties in swing states to succeed.
He also talks about the uniparty in Delco. Also Doug Mastriano is a rat fink.
They really only have to take over the elections process in specific, large counties in swing states to succeed.
He also talks about the uniparty in Delco. Also Doug Mastriano is a rat fink.
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 01, 2022 11:56 AM (ddFzi)
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If the last ~2 years show anything, if the Dems run things we'll be in gulags for wrongthink.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 11:56 AM (krQz2)
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The establishment GOP is all-in on that, too.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 11:56 AM (krQz2)
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The establishment GOP is all-in on that, too.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 11:57 AM (t0OGg)
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Next, blue eyed brunette Nichole Meyer from South Africa:
https://worldswimsuit.com/models/nicole-meyer/
https://worldswimsuit.com/models/nicole-meyer/
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 01, 2022 11:57 AM (pyVNc)
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Another brunette, sultry Eastern Europe's own Xenia Deli:
https://worldswimsuit.com/models/xenia-deli/
https://worldswimsuit.com/models/xenia-deli/
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 01, 2022 11:58 AM (pyVNc)
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Yes, early and mail-in voting gives a lot more opportunities for the Dems to exploit. Now how do we get rid of it?
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (sn5EN)
We don't get rid of it. We join them at their game.
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:52 AM (sn5EN)
We don't get rid of it. We join them at their game.
Posted by: Ziba at December 01, 2022 11:59 AM (4h9M3)
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Yes, early and mail-in voting gives a lot more opportunities for the Dems to exploit. Now how do we get rid of it?
Posted by: fd
By making a Constitutional one day voting day holiday. 24 hours in person. Only exemption is deployed military.
If you want 95 yr old granny in a nursing home to vote that bad, someone will volunteer to go get her and bring her to the polling station.
Posted by: fd
By making a Constitutional one day voting day holiday. 24 hours in person. Only exemption is deployed military.
If you want 95 yr old granny in a nursing home to vote that bad, someone will volunteer to go get her and bring her to the polling station.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 11:59 AM (R3En5)
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Same goes for candidates: how many stunning come from behind elections have the Democrats won over the last few elections?
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By my count, it's something like 5000+, whereas the count of Republicans winning stunning come-from-behind elections is hovering somewhere around 0.
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By my count, it's something like 5000+, whereas the count of Republicans winning stunning come-from-behind elections is hovering somewhere around 0.
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 01, 2022 12:00 PM (pyVNc)
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Appreciate the analysis, Dave.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 01, 2022 12:00 PM (cNLy6)
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Harvesters are known to be pretty aggressive in pressuring people to turn over their ballots. How many people who aren't going to vote and don't care just hand over their ballots to get these annoying pests to go away? I'll guarantee you it's a high percentage. And that doesn't even count the illegal quid pro quos that also certainly happen in large numbers. "How about $50 for your families' four ballots?" "Sure, why not?"
Posted by: Elric Blade
And, the ballots are blank when they are turned over. They are filled out by the harvester.
Posted by: Elric Blade
And, the ballots are blank when they are turned over. They are filled out by the harvester.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 01, 2022 12:00 PM (lTGtQ)
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I think Klaus Schwab is just like the Partridge Family.
He just wants make us happy.
The Partridge Family just left out the bugs part.
I think Klaus Schwab is just like the Partridge Family.
He just wants make us happy.
The Partridge Family just left out the bugs part.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:00 PM (krQz2)
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Don't engage with people who don't engage with you. Simple and easy.
Posted by: Bourbonchicken at December 01, 2022 12:02 PM (44ww/)
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I think Klaus Schwab is just like the Partridge Family.
He just wants make us happy.
The Partridge Family just left out the bugs part.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:00 PM (krQz2)
I see the WH held a State dinner last night for Macron . They ate "bugs"... Maine lobster....Schwab was supposedly there
I think Klaus Schwab is just like the Partridge Family.
He just wants make us happy.
The Partridge Family just left out the bugs part.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:00 PM (krQz2)
I see the WH held a State dinner last night for Macron . They ate "bugs"... Maine lobster....Schwab was supposedly there
Posted by: It's me donna at December 01, 2022 12:02 PM (bs+z0)
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Yes, I forgot to say how much I appreciate your analysis, Dave. I think your findings reflect what the voting would be without fraud.
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 01, 2022 12:03 PM (ddFzi)
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175 Harvesters are known to be pretty aggressive in pressuring people to turn over their ballots. How many people who aren't going to vote and don't care just hand over their ballots to get these annoying pests to go away? I'll guarantee you it's a high percentage. And that doesn't even count the illegal quid pro quos that also certainly happen in large numbers. "How about $50 for your families' four ballots?" "Sure, why not?"
Posted by: Elric Blade
And, the ballots are blank when they are turned over. They are filled out by the harvester.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 01, 2022 12:00 PM (lTGtQ)
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Yes of course. I still don't see how that is even remotely constitutional or legal. What's to stop the harvester from telling the "voter" that the ballot will be cast for whoever the voter wants, and then filling it out differently? I'm sure that happens. A voter should be cast by the actual voter, period.
Posted by: Elric Blade
And, the ballots are blank when they are turned over. They are filled out by the harvester.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 01, 2022 12:00 PM (lTGtQ)
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Yes of course. I still don't see how that is even remotely constitutional or legal. What's to stop the harvester from telling the "voter" that the ballot will be cast for whoever the voter wants, and then filling it out differently? I'm sure that happens. A voter should be cast by the actual voter, period.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 01, 2022 12:03 PM (iFTx/)
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Dave - I gotta say I'm surprised the Twin Cities here was R+2. Generally the model for statewide R victory is run up the score outstate, and battle to a draw in the Cities and suburbs. As the 'burbs have trended blue thanks to Karen, statewide Republican victories have essentially ended - at least that is the theory here. I live in CD 2 - suburban swing district - and we were unable to defeat our cunty lesbian HR Director yet again and I don't understand how that is possible in an r+7 statewide and r+2 Twin Cities environment. Any specific insight you have would be appreciated.
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Posted by: banana Dream at December 01, 2022 12:04 PM (hwaFC)
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 01, 2022 12:05 PM (pyVNc)
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"Johnson was always running ahead of Michaels. Johnson should have won by 8 points. The "machine" in WI urban areas was able to get enough to pick off Michaels, but not enough to get Johnson."
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (5p7BC)
I would love to blame it on the Democratic machine but I don't see it in the WI vote. Michels basically under-performed Johnson by the same numbers across the entire state. Johnson had 100,000 more votes than Michels, Evers and 50,000 more than Barnes, that's not uncommon for WI.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:45 AM (5p7BC)
I would love to blame it on the Democratic machine but I don't see it in the WI vote. Michels basically under-performed Johnson by the same numbers across the entire state. Johnson had 100,000 more votes than Michels, Evers and 50,000 more than Barnes, that's not uncommon for WI.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 01, 2022 12:05 PM (76Foq)
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I see the WH held a State dinner last night for Macron . They ate "bugs"... Maine lobster....Schwab was supposedly there
Posted by: It's me donna at December 01, 2022 12:02 PM (bs+z0)
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Well, I'm okay with eating *those* bugs. If that's what KS wants to give me, then we'll have to talk about the owning nothing part.
Posted by: It's me donna at December 01, 2022 12:02 PM (bs+z0)
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Well, I'm okay with eating *those* bugs. If that's what KS wants to give me, then we'll have to talk about the owning nothing part.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:05 PM (krQz2)
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Soooo....still pretending polling matters and there is no cheating?
Posted by: Mookie at December 01, 2022 12:05 PM (RH8Lh)
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They really only have to take over the elections process in specific, large counties in swing states to succeed.
He also talks about the uniparty in Delco. Also Doug Mastriano is a rat fink.
right, that's why I said upthread the "all-important Philly collar", Almost half of the state's voters live in the Philly metro.
He also talks about the uniparty in Delco. Also Doug Mastriano is a rat fink.
right, that's why I said upthread the "all-important Philly collar", Almost half of the state's voters live in the Philly metro.
Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2022 12:06 PM (dCxaZ)
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We don't get rid of it. We join them at their game.
Posted by: Ziba
And the first time the Republicans cheat, they go to jail.
Posted by: Ziba
And the first time the Republicans cheat, they go to jail.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 12:06 PM (R3En5)
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"By making a Constitutional one day voting day holiday. 24 hours in person. Only exemption is deployed military."
Good luck with that. You'd have to get control first. We can't even get the Republican Lt Gov of Georgia to vote for a Republican Senatorial candidate.
The winners are going to be ones will do what it takes to win, not the limp dick assholes running the GOP.
Good luck with that. You'd have to get control first. We can't even get the Republican Lt Gov of Georgia to vote for a Republican Senatorial candidate.
The winners are going to be ones will do what it takes to win, not the limp dick assholes running the GOP.
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 12:06 PM (sn5EN)
Posted by: The Media at December 01, 2022 12:07 PM (lO5WT)
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"This was not the fault of the Republican voters. They did their part,"
How did R turnout compare with past midterms?
How did R turnout compare with past midterms?
Posted by: gp Is Reinforcing The Structures at December 01, 2022 12:07 PM (24fqN)
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Wherever these schemes exist, they will continue to exist forever. In areas that have those systems, the Republicans need a different playbook: the Dems' playbook.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 11:55 AM (t0OGg)
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I don't disagree, but how do you copy the playbook of harvesting millions of votes from highly populated and overwhelmingly Democrap-leaning cities like Atlanta, Philly, etc.? I guess the GOP can send in their own harvesters, but I don't think it's that easy. The Dumocrap vote-harvesting scams were built up over decades using the local Dumocrap party apparatus, local community "leaders," and (I'm sure) the local left-wing governments.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 01, 2022 11:55 AM (t0OGg)
__________________
I don't disagree, but how do you copy the playbook of harvesting millions of votes from highly populated and overwhelmingly Democrap-leaning cities like Atlanta, Philly, etc.? I guess the GOP can send in their own harvesters, but I don't think it's that easy. The Dumocrap vote-harvesting scams were built up over decades using the local Dumocrap party apparatus, local community "leaders," and (I'm sure) the local left-wing governments.
Posted by: Elric Blade at December 01, 2022 12:07 PM (iFTx/)
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In 2024, the PA GOP needs to send out door canvassers with voter registration forms like the dems did. Started in early summer, got people registered and signed up for a mail in ballot. Probably followed up those addresses before the election to make sure the ballot was mailed.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at December 01, 2022 12:07 PM (+hI+T)
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Lol @ this dumb country not making Election Day a holiday yet. Sometimes conservatives are more interested in patting themselves on the back for "having jobs" than doing what it takes to win.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 01, 2022 12:08 PM (C9XVS)
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And the first time the Republicans cheat, they go to jail.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 12:06 PM (R3En5)
They also go to jail when they try to stop some cheating. Didn't that happen to some True the Vote people?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 12:06 PM (R3En5)
They also go to jail when they try to stop some cheating. Didn't that happen to some True the Vote people?
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2022 12:08 PM (Emce2)
188
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Posted by: kallisto at December 01, 2022 12:08 PM (dCxaZ)
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And the first time the Republicans cheat, they go to jail.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 12:06 PM (R3En5)
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And our lead cucks sign some 40-year armistice saying they'll never do some normal election activity again.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2022 12:06 PM (R3En5)
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And our lead cucks sign some 40-year armistice saying they'll never do some normal election activity again.
Posted by: Axeman at December 01, 2022 12:08 PM (krQz2)
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Never attribute to incompetence what can be adequately explained by malice.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (yQpMk)
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That is how you get rid of it. Beat them at their own game.
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:56 AM (sn5EN)
Here’s How They Did it: Real-time Election Fraud
t.ly/V-GO
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 01, 2022 11:15 AM (ddFzi)
^^^^^
Read the above. How do we beat them at that game?
Posted by: fd at December 01, 2022 11:56 AM (sn5EN)
Here’s How They Did it: Real-time Election Fraud
t.ly/V-GO
Posted by: jeannebodine at December 01, 2022 11:15 AM (ddFzi)
^^^^^
Read the above. How do we beat them at that game?
Posted by: DaisyB at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (AbL8c)
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I have a serious problem with the concept of mail in voting. There is no security for the ballots after they arrive. What guarantee is there that the ballot being counted is the one you sent in after said ballot has been under someone else's control for weeks?
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at December 01, 2022 12:09 PM (l7Kbv)
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Nood.
Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at December 01, 2022 12:10 PM (cNLy6)
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Imagine sending Republican canvassers to harvest ballots from people who gladly turn them over to Democrats.
Posted by: Emmie at December 01, 2022 12:10 PM (Emce2)
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at December 01, 2022 12:10 PM (pyVNc)
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Interesting article on mass cheating, not detectable by current methods the GOP uses. Only way around it is getting rid of mail-in balloting. Otherwise, the GOP will always lose, regardless of polling, messaging, etc. https://bit.ly/3ioqddv
Posted by: Mookie at December 01, 2022 12:10 PM (RH8Lh)
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If that Democrat-lite Ronna Romney wins again, there is no possible way for the R’s to ever take your suggestions to heart, DiF. But, on a happier note, another example of the wave in FL: a long-time D County Commissioner in my 50/50 D/R Panhandle County lost to the R candidate by a 2 to 1 vote. It was wonderful.
Posted by: EveR at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (MUpk6)
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"I see the WH held a State dinner last night for Macron . They ate "bugs"... Maine lobster....Schwab was supposedly there"
Posted by: It's me donna at December 01, 2022 12:02 PM (bs+z0)
I thought they went out to eat at local restaurant? Probably the early bird special so Joe, Jill and Macrons wife can be in bed by 8:00.
Posted by: It's me donna at December 01, 2022 12:02 PM (bs+z0)
I thought they went out to eat at local restaurant? Probably the early bird special so Joe, Jill and Macrons wife can be in bed by 8:00.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (76Foq)
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Espousing a “ what’s the use, it’s all rigged and a cheat and the GOPe is worthless anyway” attitude might not be the best tactic to “ get out the vote”.
Posted by: kraken at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (Vr12I)
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Put me on team "Figure out how to succeed with the laws we have."
Until we start winning and get some leverage no change will be coming. No sense in pretending it will.
If it was up for vote though I would go with national holiday one day voting.
Until we start winning and get some leverage no change will be coming. No sense in pretending it will.
If it was up for vote though I would go with national holiday one day voting.
Posted by: Just Lily at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (7I07s)
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208 "I see the WH held a State dinner last night for Macron . They ate "bugs"... Maine lobster....Schwab was supposedly there"
Posted by: It's me donna at December 01, 2022 12:02 PM (bs+z0)
I thought they went out to eat at local restaurant? Probably the early bird special so Joe, Jill and Macrons wife can be in bed by 8:00.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (76Foq)
Macron was maybe thinking “ Lord deliver me from these geriatric fools” - then he looked at his wife, and sank another double bourbon.
Posted by: It's me donna at December 01, 2022 12:02 PM (bs+z0)
I thought they went out to eat at local restaurant? Probably the early bird special so Joe, Jill and Macrons wife can be in bed by 8:00.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 01, 2022 12:11 PM (76Foq)
Macron was maybe thinking “ Lord deliver me from these geriatric fools” - then he looked at his wife, and sank another double bourbon.
Posted by: kraken at December 01, 2022 12:17 PM (Vr12I)
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4 Marcus - Which is why the California GOP did very well this election. They figured out how to effectively ballot harvest.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:36 AM (5p7BC)
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Yes, and the strategy the GOP should adopt is obvious:
1. Implement same day voting with paper ballots wherever they can
2. For current elections, do everything the dems do - ballot harvesting, "curing" ballots etc.
3. This is important - rinse and repeat until #1 is universal
And yes, the reason it doesn't get adopted, in spite of being obvious, is because the GOP doesn't want to win.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 01, 2022 11:36 AM (5p7BC)
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Yes, and the strategy the GOP should adopt is obvious:
1. Implement same day voting with paper ballots wherever they can
2. For current elections, do everything the dems do - ballot harvesting, "curing" ballots etc.
3. This is important - rinse and repeat until #1 is universal
And yes, the reason it doesn't get adopted, in spite of being obvious, is because the GOP doesn't want to win.
Posted by: Josquin at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (GezPS)
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"Go talk to the State Parties in Florida and California. Find out what they are doing and copy it. If you want to win in the future, those two states are your template"
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Really...? really??
Florida is a perfect anomaly. Nothing can be gleaned from the GOPers success in Florida. Do I have outline why?
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Really...? really??
Florida is a perfect anomaly. Nothing can be gleaned from the GOPers success in Florida. Do I have outline why?
Posted by: Nipsy at December 01, 2022 12:22 PM (UXaVE)
204
I was sure the WH chef would have whipped up some Blanc Mange for the State dinner.
Posted by: Ziba at December 01, 2022 12:27 PM (4h9M3)
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The problem in Indiana is the squishy Indiana GOP
Posted by: Lost My Cookies at December 01, 2022 12:39 PM (/N8ur)
206
I take issue with the claim that this is on the party, rather than the voter. I read that 54,000,000 republicans voted in this election. I believe that's a drop-off of TWENTY MILLION VOTES from 2020. Twenty million republicans stayed home.
So while the GOP is hot flaming garbage in a dumpster, if voters can't be motivated to throw the Dems out after the last 3-4 years, then it's ABSOLUTELY on the voters.
So while the GOP is hot flaming garbage in a dumpster, if voters can't be motivated to throw the Dems out after the last 3-4 years, then it's ABSOLUTELY on the voters.
Posted by: SMFH at December 01, 2022 12:57 PM (CEh/e)
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The CA GOP barely even exists, they aren't a template for anything. I'd bet more republicans voted based off random voter guides sent in the mail than the state or county party endorsements.
Posted by: Sjg at December 01, 2022 01:48 PM (gDSJf)
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It MUST be noted here that the DeSantis Administration worked diligently to both cleans and secure the voter rolls. By 'securing' I mean what Jay Valentine is talking about over at American Thinker. Look him up as democrats are evil genius at manipulating 'voters' in and out of the rolls prior to being noticed.
This is the reason Florida went full red. Yes, DeSantis is great, but especially so for this reason.
This is the reason Florida went full red. Yes, DeSantis is great, but especially so for this reason.
Posted by: Danimal28 at December 01, 2022 03:23 PM (klw0w)
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The problem in Pennsylvania is the corruption. Virtually every polling station is manned by Democrats who harvest the needed ballots. They have done so since 2008. It's an open secret. Democrats, especially Fetterman, didn't get more voters, they just collected more ballots. Many of those ballots are not tied to voters at all....an nobody cares to stop it. It's why our state government has virtually no support among the citizens, because hardly anyone voted for them, yet they collected more ballots. True banana republic in Pennsylvania right now.
Posted by: Alfred at December 01, 2022 04:11 PM (b6c/x)
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I am not remotely interested in what Californians of any type have to prescribe regarding politics.
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All of Louisiana's Republicans went back to Washington. Mike Johnson had no opposition. John Kennedy got 68% against 12 opponents and didn't need a runoff. Cassidy is probalby going to get the boot, but that means he can be Susan "The Maine Pain" Collin's OBGYN full time.
Posted by: hurricane567@gmail.com at December 02, 2022 03:17 AM (B7AT+)
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The "it's all about ballot harvesting!" analysis is all the rage right now.
To the extent it's worked in CA, it could be because Democrats weren't aware that the GOP was playing their game.
fwiw, I live in one of the bluest areas in CA. There were more signs for the GOP rep than the Democrat for the first time ever.
My local "voting center" was crawling with voters although there was a storm (!!!) on Election Day and although we are encouraged to vote by mail. Legal ballots voted GOP, I believe. But where there is all mail-in voting, there are always abundant fortifications
To the extent it's worked in CA, it could be because Democrats weren't aware that the GOP was playing their game.
fwiw, I live in one of the bluest areas in CA. There were more signs for the GOP rep than the Democrat for the first time ever.
My local "voting center" was crawling with voters although there was a storm (!!!) on Election Day and although we are encouraged to vote by mail. Legal ballots voted GOP, I believe. But where there is all mail-in voting, there are always abundant fortifications
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When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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