Sunday Morning Book Thread - 11-27-2022 ["Perfessor" Squirrel]

Welcome to the prestigious, internationally acclaimed, stately, and illustrious Sunday Morning Book Thread! The place where all readers are welcome, regardless of whatever guilty pleasure we feel like reading (every dark satire of violent reality shows needs its own coloring book for kids!). Here is where we can discuss, argue, bicker, quibble, consider, debate, confabulate, converse, and jaw about our latest fancy in reading material, even if it's nothing more than the latest issue of these pants...

So relax, find yourself a warm kitty (or warm puppy--I won't judge) to curl up in your lap, get your significant other to make you a leftover turkey sammich, and crack open a new book. What are YOU reading this fine morning?

PIC NOTE

Today's pic is all about the hat...I bought it a couple of weeks ago based on someone's suggestion that I should have an actual purple pimp hat. Well, now I do! And so I wanted to save it for a special occasion, such as the 500th Recommendation Spectacular!

500th RECOMMENDATION SPECTACULAR!

Ever since I took over the Sunday Morning Book Thread, I've been collecting your recommendations and adding them to our Libib website. As of this past weekend, we now have 500 recommendations collected, courtesy of y'all! Congratulations to everyone who has contributed recommendations to the Sunday Morning Book Thread. I know many of you have expanded your reading horizons based on recommendations from other Morons.

It seems strangely appropriate to reach a signifcant milestone over Thanksgiving weekend. I'm very thankful for the opportunity to compile material for the Sunday Morning Book Thread. I am very grateful for all of the encouragement I've received from the Moron Horde. It truly is an exceptional honor to be a part of the COB community...

If you are interested in seeing your own recommendations featured here, I am looking for the following in a recommendation:

Title and author, of course. It's especially helpful if you DON'T list out the complete works of author X in your recommendation...While they may be worthy, I'm not going to list a bunch of works of one author just because you say they are great and everyone should read them.

A very quick summary of what the book is about. One or two sentences is usually sufficient. This can also indicate the genre and style of the book.

Why does this book matter to you in particular? What is so interesting about this book?

For an excellent example of a recommendation, take a look at Kindltot's recommendation of The Lightning Conductor down below.

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(I'm using this same image for my class this week)

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BOOKS BY MORONS

Perfessor, thank you for carrying the torch for the book thread. We appreciate your efforts and look forward to reading about reading on lazy Sundays after church. Many of the books on my office shelf are book thread purchases!
Can I tell you about a new book from Dingbat (moron publisher) by Zeppy Cheng (son of morons). Zeppy is a young, penniless writer with serious health challenges, but somehow manages to write zany fantasy adventure novels. Zeppy and Dingbat have just released Silverbones, the continued story of Markus, a magical adventurer who must infiltrate a secret society and—perhaps—save the world.
Thanks for any press you can give us. Keep fighting the good fight!
The RedBalloon Labor Lawyer
Available on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Silverbones-Lesser-One-Book-2-ebook/dp/B0BLL9B7ZM

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Hi Perfessor,
I am a seventeen year old aspiring writer, and my father is a huge Ace of Spades fan and suggested I write to you to promote my illustrated book of horror stories titled Tales From the Pandemic.
I am running a free promotion from Sunday until Tuesday this week and would be much obliged if you could see fit to mention my book in your Sunday morning book thread!
All of the stories are illustrated by me and all but one were written by me.
My father said he is confident that fellow morons and moronettes would enjoy the writing and illustrations in the book. He also assured me that it is okay for only this time to refer to potential readers as morons.
The book is up on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Tales-Pandemic-collection-horror-fiction-ebook/dp/B0BK9ZL4VJ/ref=sr_1_3).
Thank you!!
Best,
Jay Crowther

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I have finally gotten the 11th in the Luna City series up for order on Kindle - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLPXLGS7?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420
The paperback version will be available in another week or so. Can I ask for a notice on the book thread? I had a huge ghost-writing project this year, which sopped up all of my writing time, and I know that Luna City fans have been waiting for this one.
Thanks!
Celia Hayes, Author
(Also known as Sgt. Mom)

FROM THE MAILBAG...

From time to time I get random requests in my inbox...

Hi Perfessor,
Would you please share the notice of the based book sale in Sunday's Book Thread?
The Based Black Friday/Cyber Monday Book Sale is live now through Tuesday November 29, 2022. Bypass the cultural gatekeeping, support non-woke authors, and get yourself some great books from both established and emerging talent for only $0.99 - many titles free! Over 190 books are in the sale, including over 50 new titles.
Thanks!
Hans

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Hey Perfessor,
Are there any of the Horde in the publishing business that you know of? I've noticed there are quite a few Morons who've published books, but they seem to be self published. Have any been published by a traditional house? If there is someone in the business, maybe a guest posting in a segment of the Book Thread on how to get published the traditional way.
I have a short story I think I'm ready to send out, so I'm trying to decide where to send it.
Regards,
OrangeEnt

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MORON RECOMMENDATIONS

Peter Benchley's The Girl of the Sea of Cortez is a delightful book, totally appropriate for any young girl. And Beryl Markham's West with the Night is also excellent, for anyone, especially young women. Not series, but nice additions to bookshelves.
Posted by: goatexchange at November 20, 2022 09:09 AM (APPN

Comment: Someone was asking about good books for young women last week (I'm too lazy to go see who). But goatexchange has a few suggestions that may be worth checking out...As always, the Moron Horde is a fount of wisdom and experience.

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Currently reading Into the Rockies: St. Louis to Leadville by Samuel Plunkett. This is the story of the Plunkett family's journey via covered wagon into the West in the 1870's. Written in the form of Plunkett's diary, it details the daily adventures juxtaposed against the tedium and monotonous sameness of each day after day after day crossing the plains.
Excerpt-
May 15, 1872. This Great Migration West continues to disappoint us. Yesterday we were separated from the rest of the wagon train. The wagon might have lost a wheel, so we stopped for a few days. I seem to lack ambition, and am tempted to just put some roots down in the ground. The land is so level that you can see for miles in all directions. Granddad still stands on his own two feet, but we worry that his mind is incomplete. I wonder if this land has a water table that will support dryland wheat? Still, the lure of the silver fields of Colorado is strong. Beans and biskets again for supper. And so to bed.
Highly recommend.
Posted by: N. Clement Withers at November 20, 2022 09:53 AM (ykeLU)

Comment: How many early pioneers simply headed west and then stopped when they found a good place to set up a homestead? The lure of gold and silver was powerful, but there's a lot to be said for finding a good spot where you can set up a good farm, with plenty of land and water for crops and raising cattle or pigs. How many of us today are willing to make those sacrifices? To just pack up and head out into the great unknown? (Not me. I'm too attached to my comforts...and my cats!)

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I caught the 'flu so I holed up on the couch with Patrick O'Brien's Post Captain, and finally almost finished The Lightning Conductor by Charles Norris Williamson and Alice Muriel Williamson, which is the Edwardian motor car story (published in 1903) of a young American heiress, Molly Randolph, taking a tour of Southern France with her Aunt Mary, who decided to buy one of the brand new motor cars for the tour and not be stuck taking trains from point to point.
Her first vehicle, a Benz, is a lemon and her fist chauffeur steals the repair money and runs away, and she is adopted by a man who calls himself John Brown and claims to be the chauffeur to a minor English nobleman named Jack Winston and who has at his disposal "his master's Napier motor car" with two seats and a capacious tonneau in the back, and of course a letter of recommendation.
It is pointed out immediately to the reader that John Brown is Jack Winston, son of Lady Brighthelmson, and he wrote his own letter of recommendation because he took a shine to Molly and couldn't bear to leave her to be preyed on by the unscrupulous and the French, since this is a comedic farce, and not a dark fiction.
The Lightning Conductor is a leisurely sight seeing trip through the South of France and Italy, by the exciting innovation of the motor car, with the Edwardian mores in full bloom, written as a series of letters by the principal characters to their family and friends. In the end the friends and family of Jack and Molly ambush the party to discover who this "John Brown" actually is.
As an Edwardian bit of fluff, it is actually pretty good; it is up there with most of the pre-Great War fiction I have read through. I think it is the language use and approach to the exciting new future. As a time-capsule to what was considered important, I think it is pretty good too; too early for propaganda bleed over that most American fiction seems to have picked prior to WWI.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 20, 2022 10:00 AM (xhaym)

Comment: Not sure I have anything to add here. Sounds like a slice-of-life story centered around a particular technical innovation at the time that expanded the horizons of the characters.

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It was a good week for hobby reading. The new issue of Fly Tyer magazine arrived with an article about the history of the Royal Wulff fly and its variations. Pleasant reading.
Also, I have a several books about sketching with pencil and pen and ink aimed squarely at beginners. Part of the enjoyment is being able to try the materials and techniques as they come up in the books. Hold the pencil a certain way? Check. Learn to use a very light touch or heavier one for shading and contours? Check. Have some patience while developing on these skills? Still working on that one.
Posted by: JTB at November 20, 2022 10:31 AM (7EjX1)

Comment: I had no idea that there was a magazine devoted to tying flies, though I do know that fly fishing can be something of an obsessive hobby for some. Of course, as a gamer, I'm somewhat familiar with niche gaming magazines catering to the weird obsessions of gamers. One of the neat things about the Sunday Morning Book Thread is we can bleed over into the other threads (hobbies, art, guns, food, etc.)...Any other fly fishermen among the Moron Horde want to dump some knowledge on us ignorant novices?

More Moron-recommended reading material can be found HERE! (500 Moron-recommended books so far!)

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WHAT I'VE BEEN READING THIS PAST WEEK:

Towers of Midnight by Robert Jordan -- The penultimate book in The Wheel of Time series. Only one more book to go after this and I'm saving it for the week before Christmas...

By Demons Possessed by P.C. Hodgell -- Jame—now older and much wiser—returns to the city of Tai-Tastigon to sort out the gods once again.

Deathless Gods by P.C. Hodgell -- Jame is sent to the kingdom of Bashtir to serve a faithless king...

That's about all I have for this week. Thank you for all of your kind words regarding my Sunday Morning Book Thread. This is a very special place. You are very special people (in all the best ways!). The kindness, generosity, and wisdom of the Moron Horde knows no bounds. Let's keep reading!

If you have any suggestions for improvement, reading recommendations, or writing projects that you'd like to see on the Sunday Morning Book Thread, you can send them to perfessor dot squirrel at-sign gmail dot com. Your feedback is always appreciated! You can also take a virtual tour of OUR library at libib.com/u/perfessorsquirrel. Since I added sections for AoSHQ, I now consider it OUR library, rather than my own personal fiefdom...

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1 Hot Coffee!!!...just ordered Hellbender!!!

Posted by: Qmark at November 27, 2022 08:59 AM (ttO/Q)

2 BOING!

Posted by: Biden's Dog, who knows no margin bounds at November 27, 2022 09:00 AM (UK1vv)

3 "PROOFREADING THIS BOOK COULDN'T HAVE BEEN THAT HARD?!"
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Joe? Again?

Posted by: Biden's Dog, who knows no margin bounds at November 27, 2022 09:01 AM (UK1vv)

4 Tolle Lege
Moving on in Dennis Prager Rational Bible Deuteronomy, trying to at least a chapter ever day. Am getting into it, it's just reading time that's hard to find

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2022 09:01 AM (xhxe8)

5 Qmark, FYI, there is already a sequel: Hellbender 2: Double Hockey Sticks.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 27, 2022 09:02 AM (PiwSw)

6 Morning, bookists! I'm here with Dagny the little Siberian kitten (well, she's on the end table under the warm light, but she's close by) and with Stirling the great black kitten on the hassock by the window.

Library visit yesterday: I came away with Stephen King's 2021 Hard Case Crime novel (though it seems to be a fantasy as well) called Later; and Dan Simmons' Summer of Night, which I believe people here have recommended.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at November 27, 2022 09:03 AM (KAKDL)

7 All of the moving boxes containing my library are now in front of my bookcases and I have begun to unpack a few. Many have been put away for a year or more.

It's like Christmas being surprised by what is in there!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2022 09:04 AM (qoGsy)

8 *grudgingly dons pants*

Does Perfessor Squirrel understand the concessions we make to his notions of so-called "normalcy"?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 27, 2022 09:05 AM (Dc2NZ)

9 7 All of the moving boxes containing my library are now in front of my bookcases and I have begun to unpack a few. Many have been put away for a year or more.

It's like Christmas being surprised by what is in there!
Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2022 09:04 AM (qoGsy)

Sweet!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 27, 2022 09:05 AM (PiwSw)

10 Where did you get that hat??!!

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:05 AM (Om/di)

11 Thanks for printing my letter Perfessor, but can you edit this post and take out my real name???

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 09:06 AM (Angsy)

12 10 Where did you get that hat??!!
Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:05 AM (Om/di)

Pimps "R" Us?

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 27, 2022 09:06 AM (PiwSw)

13 A fact from "Poker and Pop Culture" -- the Marx Brothers got their stage names from a buddy at a backstage game. He was the dealer, and with the first cards he bestowed a nickname related to something for which each was known: Harpo the harpist, Chicko (later Chico) the skirt chaser, Gummo (huh?) the prowler who would sneak up on people like a "gumshoe" detective in the pulps, and Groucho the owner of a "grouch bag" in which he kept his cash. (Gummo left the troupe, and the youngest brother joined under a similar name, Zeppo.)

I wonder what my name might have been -- Geeko? Prigo? Yakko? (Whoops, that one's taken.)

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:06 AM (Om/di)

14 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 09:07 AM (T4tVD)

15 Where did you get that hat??!!
Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:05 AM (Om/di)
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I know we express a lot of hate towards Amazon, but when it comes to off-the-wall products, it can really be helpful...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 27, 2022 09:07 AM (BpYfr)

16 Where did you get that hat??!!
Posted by: Weak Geek

Walt Frazier cleaned out his closet no doubt.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2022 09:08 AM (qoGsy)

17 Someone was asking about good books for young women last week (I'm too lazy to go see who). But goatexchange has a few suggestions that may be worth checking out...As always, the Moron Horde is a fount of wisdom and experience.

it was Skip !

And when I told him I had some books like that, did he want them ?

NooooOOOOOOooooo !

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 09:08 AM (T4tVD)

18 Thanks for printing my letter Perfessor, but can you edit this post and take out my real name???
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 09:06 AM (Angsy)
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Done! My apologies...I did do that on my first draft, but some last minute editing caused it to sneak back in....

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 27, 2022 09:08 AM (BpYfr)

19 I am way too excited about Perfessor Squirrel's real-live purple hat.

...oh, I did get my *%&#*& Kindle issue sorted, by finding I had stashed a local copy of the installer several months ago. So, I was able to read Sarah Hoyt's latest, Bowl of Red, her new shifter book. I wasn't sure how she would continue the story after the third but this one picks up nicely with a new challenge for the protagonists.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 27, 2022 09:08 AM (llON8)

20 I don't think the pants guy owns a weedwhacker,,,,beacause I don't think she's a guy.

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 09:09 AM (T4tVD)

21 13. I always watch Duck Soup on New Year's eve. And of course, a few classic Curley's

Posted by: Jonah at November 27, 2022 09:09 AM (Cw0fX)

22 @15 --

What search terms did you use?

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:10 AM (Om/di)

23 Re-read Follett's "Eye of the Needle". Excellent Mystery

Posted by: Jonah at November 27, 2022 09:10 AM (Cw0fX)

24 Zeppy is short for what, Zephyr? Zephora?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 27, 2022 09:10 AM (EZebt)

25 I think a lot of people have a comfort book. Similar to comfort food. To be read from time to time like visiting an old friend. One of mine is Time For Yesterday, by A. C. Crispin. Based on Star Trek TOS.
I'm about half way thru. It's still fun.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2022 09:10 AM (7hD4N)

26 I get the notion that the gal modeling the pumpkin pie pants doesn't eat much pumpkin pie with dairy topping.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 27, 2022 09:11 AM (4I/2K)

27 I think a lot of people have a comfort book. Similar to comfort food. To be read from time to time like visiting an old friend. One of mine is Time For Yesterday, by A. C. Crispin. Based on Star Trek TOS.
I'm about half way thru. It's still fun.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2022 09:10 AM (7hD4N)
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Some of those older Star Trek novels are really good science fiction...Written by established science fiction authors who got a chance to play around in the Star Trek universe...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 27, 2022 09:11 AM (BpYfr)

28 I've been reading the Drovers series by John D. Brown, the guy who collaborated with Larry Correia on "Gun Runner". It's about a bunch of kids on a cattle drive on a fantasy planet. Typical SF/fantasy coming-of-age series, but written pretty well. It's on Kindle Unlimited.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 27, 2022 09:11 AM (bW8dp)

29 Done! My apologies...I did do that on my first draft, but some last minute editing caused it to sneak back in....

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 27, 2022 09:08 AM (BpYfr)

Thanks, too many hate filled leftists to let our names out.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 09:12 AM (Angsy)

30 > 24 Zeppy is short for what, Zephyr? Zephora?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 27, 2022 09:10 AM (EZebt)

Given the time period, I'd bet on Zeppelin.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 27, 2022 09:12 AM (bW8dp)

31 Morning, 'rons and 'ronettes. Hope you all had a lovely Thanksgiving.

I blew through three books over the holiday; two were good and one was a disappointment.

I enjoyed Hollywood: An Oral History, which is exactly what it says; a series of interviews with writers, directors, actors and crew from the silent days to today. Of course, since I hate modern movies and the people who make them, I stopped about 2/3 of the way through, but if you enjoy movies and Tinseltown's Golden Age, this is something for you.

I also liked Let's Do It: The Birth of Pop Music, which is a survey of popular music from the 1890s to around 1970 or so. It's the sort of book you have to have a laptop or notebook by your side as you're reading, since the author mentions so many obscure or forgotten artists, you'll spend a lot of time saying "I need to listen to that." The author is a Brit, though, so for every little-known American album (like Sinatra's bleak 1971 Watertown), you'll also be treated to digressions about Crazy Otto or Jimmie Lunceford.

https://tinyurl.com/3vpv7yn6

https://tinyurl.com/m3sufk4z

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 27, 2022 09:13 AM (AW0uW)

32 I read The Passenger by Cormac McCarthy. This book was too weird for my tastes. McCarthy introduces an interesting story: In Pass Christian, Mississippi, in 1980, a salvage diver, Buddy Western, is hired to check a submerged private jet. He notices several anomalies and it becomes more mysterious when he can't find any mention of a plane going down off the coast in any media.

However, the story is never fully developed. There are chapters, all in italics, about Buddy's sister who committed suicide 10 years ago and whose hallucinations are a big part of the book. I'll be passing on the sequel, Stella Maris.

Posted by: Zoltan at November 27, 2022 09:13 AM (bSGIK)

33 If you are part of the Godfather film cult, like I am, you must read Puzo's novel. So much more backstory on Moe Greene, and Fredo's time in Vegas

Posted by: Jonah at November 27, 2022 09:13 AM (Cw0fX)

34 Book series to read... I am re-reading Vince Flynn's Mitch Rapp series to again inform myself of the vanity and ruthlessness of those in government power. It is like Vince knew Bill Barr, James Homey Comey, and Rod Rosenstein before their pathetic asses were revealed to the world. The bonuse, of course, is that Mitch kills the apes of our world.

Posted by: Danimal28 at November 27, 2022 09:13 AM (ryUqI)

35 > Given the time period, I'd bet on Zeppelin.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 27, 2022 09:12 AM (bW8dp)

Wait. I thought you were talking about a new-to-me Marx Brother.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 27, 2022 09:15 AM (bW8dp)

36 32. McCarthy is brilliant though. No country for old men

Posted by: Jonah at November 27, 2022 09:15 AM (Cw0fX)

37 Some of those older Star Trek novels are really good science fiction...Written by established science fiction authors who got a chance to play around in the Star Trek universe...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 27, 2022 09:11 AM (BpYfr)
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Spock's World (Diane Duane?) was just a good novel, period.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 27, 2022 09:16 AM (Dc2NZ)

38 > Wait. I thought you were talking about a new-to-me Marx Brother.

And now my insufficiently-caffeinated ass sees that there's both a Zeppy Cheng AND a Zeppo Marx mentioned in the thread. Off for more coffee.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 27, 2022 09:16 AM (bW8dp)

39 Zeppo later became a mechanical equipment maker, and built the bomb racks for the Fat Man atomic bomb.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 27, 2022 09:16 AM (QZxDR)

40 Thanks to Tarantino Fanboy Extraordinaire Bandersnatch for recommending "Cinema Speculation". Quentin and I are about the same age, so we remember going to see the same pictures with our parents. The late 60's/early 70's were an odd period for movies, as there were two strains of films out at the same time - the mainstream big-budget studio stuff and the counterculture films that wanted to freak out the squares. Many is the time we'd be in the seats and the previews would piss my dad off -- one time so bad he chewed out the manager for showing it at a family movie. Wish I could remember what "transgressive" movie that was! It's probably considered a new wave classic by TCM's Mankiewicz.

Tarantino's young parents took him along at night for jaunts to the theater, bars, and restaurants, encouraging him to be well-behaved and polite or else his ass would be back home with the babysitter. No way!

"In some ways I was like a child version of Grizzly Man, able to observe grown-ups at night in their natural habitat. It was in my best interest to keep my mouth shut and my eyes open."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 27, 2022 09:17 AM (Dc2NZ)

41 34. Saw a old interview of Vince Flynn. He said once the Patriot act was passed, the floodgate on the deep State opened. But at the time the patriot act was needed after 9/11, but it grew like a Laviathian to go beyond Jihad threats, to stalking us

Posted by: Jonah at November 27, 2022 09:18 AM (Cw0fX)

42 OK Hans, I'm going to try out The Hidden Truth. I'll look through the sale books later today.

Posted by: Candidus at November 27, 2022 09:19 AM (rvIpH)

43 My book this week was Blake Snyder's _Save The Cat!_, a guide to screenwriting. It's similar to McKee's _Story_, but shorter and more lively.

I'm sure that every scriptwriter and showrunner in Hollywood has much-thumbed copies of both books, yet apparently very few of them actually understand the advice in them: make characters likeable, give them setbacks and challenges, make them learn a lesson. Whoever wrote the Epic of Gilgamesh understood these things.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 27, 2022 09:19 AM (QZxDR)

44 This disappointment was Love and Let Die: James Bond, the Beatles and the British Psyche. It's an examination of the careers of the Fabs and the concurrent development of Bond, from the stories to the movies, diving into the connections and appeal of the two entertainment titans.

The problem is, that for all of his enthusiasm, the author doesn't seem to really like Bond all that much, constantly carping about Fleming / Bond's sexism, racism and misogyny. He deplores the books and the Connery image and welcomes the deflation of Bond as a man's hero during the Daniel Craig era.

Beyond that, the last few chapters are complete Trump Derangement Syndrome, with the author convinced Russia hacked the 2016 election, with Putin choosing Teh Donald not because he was a Putin stooge, but because the dictator believed him to be the man most likely to sabotage American from within.

Don't buy this book. If you want to read it, get it from the library or borrow someone's copy. Don't put money in the asshole's pocket.

https://tinyurl.com/eeuksyn3

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 27, 2022 09:19 AM (AW0uW)

45 I started reading Sue Grafton's Kinsey Millhone books a couple of months ago and I've made it through "O is for Outlaw." The books are smart and funny and full of twists with a heroine who knows her own flaws and is willing to admit to them.

Posted by: huerfano at November 27, 2022 09:20 AM (dTFZY)

46 I will see my sister this afternoon ( if I got the time right) to get more information on what to get the little girl ( her granddaughter)

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2022 09:20 AM (xhxe8)

47 Booken morgen horden!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 27, 2022 09:20 AM (Kd4bG)

48 @35 --

Gummo was new to me. I wonder what he did after he quit show business.

And while I'm at it --

I don't care much for Groucho. He had funny lines in his movies, but "You Bet Your Life" makes me cringe. To think people actually volunteered to be insulted by him.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:21 AM (Om/di)

49 OrangeEnt, I recommend the WriterDojo podcast and FB group

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 27, 2022 09:21 AM (Kd4bG)

50 Good Sunday morning, horde!

Weak Geek, the Poker and Pop Culture book sounds fascinating to me, as an obsessed recreational poker player. I have a lot of other things ahead of it on the TBR list, but I appreciate the tidbits from it every week.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 27, 2022 09:22 AM (OX9vb)

51 I don't care much for Groucho. He had funny lines in his movies, but "You Bet Your Life" makes me cringe. To think people actually volunteered to be insulted by him.
Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:21 AM (Om/di)

My favorite brother was Bondo. He would really stick with you.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 27, 2022 09:24 AM (PiwSw)

52 A while back I scored a copy of a novel I'd never heard of: The Enemy of My Enemy, by Avram Davidson. It's a kind of political thriller set on an alien world inhabited by humans, who have a kind of Spanish colonial racial caste system (with some of the nastier features of Sparta thrown in). As one might expect, there's a revolution. Davidson doesn't sugar-coat things -- the revolution basically wrecks the whole society, and it's pretty strongly implied that they're going to be under the thumb of foreign powers for a long time to come. It's a good book by a science fiction/fantasy master who isn't as well-known as he should be.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 27, 2022 09:24 AM (QZxDR)

53 nice hat

Posted by: muttering vikings fan at November 27, 2022 09:24 AM (oTZbj)

54 Author probably works for blofeld think how far off the boards the series wemt that they had mi 6 design a genetic weapon in the center of london

Posted by: No 6 at November 27, 2022 09:25 AM (PXvVL)

55 Don't buy this book. If you want to read it, get it from the library or borrow someone's copy. Don't put money in the asshole's pocket.

I reviewed a book here a week or two ago, and it did the same thing. These "historians" just can't seem to restrain themselves from their virtue signaling. It's like a tic with them.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 09:25 AM (eOEVl)

56 I finished Night Over Water by Ken Follet. This is the first novel I have read where I disliked every single character in the book.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 27, 2022 09:26 AM (vI4u9)

57 I've been fly fishing since I was 7 years old, but I'm not a purist. Fly fishing is a seasonal thing and I like to fish year around. Bait fishing, lures, trolling, ice fishing, if I can catch them, I'll probably eat them.

If you're into fly fishing it's important to follow the insect hatches. Also, you don't need $25k worth of gear to fly fish. You just need to learn to cast.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 27, 2022 09:26 AM (geVLo)

58 Starting rereading Sir Walter Scott's Tales of a Scottish Grandfather From Bannockburn to Flodden awhile back . I would read 3 to 4 chapters and then let it sit. Last weekend I decided I wasn't doing the author justice so I started over . Finished it this morning. Very satisfying, entertaining and distracting read. Mr. Scott takes license with history but as someone who fiercely loved his culture I have no problems with his interpretations.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at November 27, 2022 09:26 AM (LPLH0)

59 I also read The Parasite by Richard Paul Evans. This is the eighth book in the excellent YA Michael Vey series. The seventh in the series is titled The Final Spark, but after a three-year hiatus, his friends convinced him to bring back the Electroclan to fight remnants of the evil Elgin group.

I'm happy with his decision. We need more books such as these for our youths. They promote all the right attributes such as honor, loyalty, self responsibility, etc that are needed in our society.

Posted by: Zoltan at November 27, 2022 09:27 AM (bSGIK)

60 It's a good book by a science fiction/fantasy master who isn't as well-known as he should be.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 27, 2022 09:24 AM (QZxDR)
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I've loved Avram since kidhood for the short story "Hark! Was That the Squeal of an Angry Thoat?"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 27, 2022 09:27 AM (Dc2NZ)

61 I attended to a lot of family things this week and only read some of F Scott Fitzgerald's letters. I miss letters, and words on paper. I think the last actual letter I received was in 2000, from a college friend who liked to ramble on about "the old days" at what her daughter was doing. Her handwriting was bad, and reading it was more deciphering, but I miss it.
Scott's letters show a concerned father and a troubled husband who stood by an expensively sick wife, who expressed a desire to both friends and family for her to be better and come home.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 09:27 AM (Zzbjj)

62 > 56 I finished Night Over Water by Ken Follet. This is the first novel I have read where I disliked every single character in the book.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 27, 2022 09:26 AM (vI4u9)

I had that experience with both Wuthering Heights and The Great Gatsby.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 27, 2022 09:27 AM (bW8dp)

63 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. I hope everyone had a great week of Thankful reading.

Posted by: JTB at November 27, 2022 09:27 AM (7EjX1)

64 I reviewed a book here a week or two ago, and it did the same thing. These "historians" just can't seem to restrain themselves from their virtue signaling. It's like a tic with them.

And the really enraging thing is that in the case of my book, the author was a history prof at Cambridge. He should know better, and I"m sure he does, but apparently he's so smart and important, he's willing to suspend the professional rules to enlighten the rubes and impress his friends.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 09:28 AM (eOEVl)

65 Making pancakes so pardon the typos

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 27, 2022 09:28 AM (Kd4bG)

66 @50 --

April, at the pace I'm going through it, you can expect to see mire tidbits for some time.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:29 AM (Om/di)

67 Thanks for the link, Perfessor! The print version of Luna City 11 is still in the works, and should be up by next weekend!

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at November 27, 2022 09:29 AM (xnmPy)

68 Some of those older Star Trek novels are really good science fiction...Written by established science fiction authors who got a chance to play around in the Star Trek universe...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 27, 2022 09:11 AM (BpYfr)
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Spock's World (Diane Duane?) was just a good novel, period.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 27, 2022 09:16 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Concur.
In fact Duane is one of the few authors I remember by name for ST. An excellent writer.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2022 09:29 AM (7hD4N)

69 Why do writers veer off into these weird, unrelated-to-the-topic political diatribes? Don't they know it will date their books in a very short time?

Bush Derangement Syndrome is now as dated to me as Nixon Derangement Syndrome, and it's happening to TDS as we speak.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 27, 2022 09:29 AM (Dc2NZ)

70 My grandkids are giving me the Oliver Twist look
Time to cook breakfast

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at November 27, 2022 09:31 AM (LPLH0)

71 The hat of a purple pimp!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at November 27, 2022 09:31 AM (6PfSR)

72 Don't buy this book. If you want to read it, get it from the library or borrow someone's copy. Don't put money in the asshole's pocket.

I feel this way about many a book and have been steering clear of buying newer books for this reason. I don't want to fund leftists at all and have doubts about many who claim to be conservative.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 09:32 AM (Zzbjj)

73 Reading a article and mentions Camp of the Saints
Anyone read it and thoughts on readability?

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2022 09:32 AM (xhxe8)

74 "69 Why do writers veer off into these weird, unrelated-to-the-topic political diatribes?"

Publishers are part of it.

Posted by: davidt at November 27, 2022 09:32 AM (oTZbj)

75 Why do writers veer off into these weird, unrelated-to-the-topic political diatribes? Don't they know it will date their books in a very short time?

Why, it's almost as if they're doing it to enhance their current social status. Standards be damned!.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 09:32 AM (eOEVl)

76 CN, letters are precious. Most of us don't write them anymore, but I send three or four a year to a very good friend, who then feels guilty because she doesn't get around to sending one back. I don't care about that, though. I know she likes getting them, and I like sending them.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 27, 2022 09:33 AM (OX9vb)

77 Do they know the difference show my by their public statements they had conniptions over brexit because their bannon counterpart dominic cummings traveled to russia in the 90s no that was the just the pretexts

Chris andrews called out general flynn as part of a libel campaign but they didnt notice an actual open russian propagandist peter dobbins in their ranks

Posted by: No 6 at November 27, 2022 09:35 AM (PXvVL)

78 Making pancakes so pardon the typos
Posted by: vmom stabby

********

This is not who we are. Be batter, Horde.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 27, 2022 09:35 AM (ykeLU)

79 Making pancakes so pardon the typos
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

Are you making them on your keyboard ?

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 09:35 AM (T4tVD)

80 I'm jealous of Perfessor's swanky library.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 27, 2022 09:36 AM (Dc2NZ)

81 Why do writers veer off into these weird, unrelated-to-the-topic political diatribes? Don't they know it will date their books in a very short time?

In the Bond case, the TDS wasn't completely unrelated, as the author had a chapter about McCartney playing in Moscow, where Putin was a guest at the concert. And then it went on to there about Russia being Bond's Cold War adversary, the rise of an oligarchy, Putin's Ukraine invasion and the US election. It's still a PITA, though.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 27, 2022 09:36 AM (AW0uW)

82 CN, letters are precious. Most of us don't write them anymore, but I send three or four a year to a very good friend, who then feels guilty because she doesn't get around to sending one back. I don't care about that, though. I know she likes getting them, and I like sending them.
Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 27, 2022 09:33 AM (OX9vb)

***
I try to write the grandkids two or three times a year and I do it in cursive. They love it. They admit that receiving mail is a nice add to the day.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2022 09:36 AM (7hD4N)

83 I agree with tonypete, that hat is definitely part of the Clyde the Glide Collection.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 27, 2022 09:37 AM (PiwSw)

84 Comment: How many early pioneers simply headed west and then stopped when they found a good place to set up a homestead?

I think the word Denver is early pioneer for "f#$k that". One look at the Rockies after the plains and a wagonload of people said to themselves "Damn, Denver. We're staying here".

Posted by: Reforger at November 27, 2022 09:38 AM (W4CVQ)

85 My penmanship is terrible. If I did write someone a letter, they wouldn't be able to read it.

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 09:38 AM (T4tVD)

86 @61 --

Whenever we got a letter from my mother's mother, it was a delight. She would ramble:

"Visited Mildred on Tuesday -- supposed to rain next week -- Dad brought home an old table -- it's pretty ..."

And on and on.

Mom got a bit upset by our laughing at the letters.

What Grandma could have done with Facebook!

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:38 AM (Om/di)

87 Some of those older Star Trek novels are really good science fiction...Written by established science fiction authors who got a chance to play around in the Star Trek universe...
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Related, but not of the ST Universe, were the TEK novels, ostensibly by Shatner and a co-writer. I remember being impressed and looking for more of them but not finding any readily available.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 27, 2022 09:38 AM (MIKMs)

88 Making pancakes so pardon the typos
Posted by: vmom stabby

So...pankakes then?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2022 09:38 AM (7hD4N)

89 OrangeEnt, I recommend the WriterDojo podcast and FB group

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 27, 2022 09:21 AM (Kd4bG)

Thanks, I hoped there were transcripts somewhere. I don't care for listening, I'd rather read so I can go back and forth. Did you get the book?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 09:39 AM (Angsy)

90 This week I read "Kindred: Book 1 of the Infected Saga" by Craig McDonald. I like McDonald's Hector Lassiter series, so thought I'd see what McDonald has been doing lately.

It's kind of a zombie story--you know the drill, scientists working on diseases, a pathogen gets loose and the world goes to hell. This book offers the infecteds' thoughts and perspective, though, so a little different.

It reads like a YA novel, NTTAWTT, and is pretty quick, and ends in such a way that you want to read the next one to see what happens.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 27, 2022 09:39 AM (OX9vb)

91 76. And what we learn about authors and historical figures from these letters will not be replaced by text messages or recollections of phone calls.

I've read a lot of the correspondence of Fitzgerald, Hemingway, and Wolfe, and I'm convinced that the lengthy letters helped hone and maintain their writing skills. I think a lot of authors, and Scott Fitzgerald in particular, looked back on these letters to refresh their memory and provide details.

This is not to say that his characters ARE the women in the books, because there are too many details that do not fit with Zelda and her family or the odious Ginevra and hers.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 09:39 AM (Zzbjj)

92 Well mcartney has proven himself as much a tool az lennon would have ever been the uk has floated on an sea of dirty moneu from oligarchs for 30 yeas

Posted by: No 6 at November 27, 2022 09:39 AM (PXvVL)

93 Incidentally, trout fillets and eggs makes a fine breakfast.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 27, 2022 09:40 AM (geVLo)

94 I will see my sister this afternoon ( if I got the time right) to get more information on what to get the little girl ( her granddaughter)
Posted by: Skip

The books I was telling you about are no longer available.

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 09:40 AM (T4tVD)

95
Someone was asking about good books for young women last week...

https://tinyurl.com/2bu2rhkt

https://tinyurl.com/52vjrvj4

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 27, 2022 09:40 AM (oINRc)

96 I also enjoyed the latest Cassie Dewell thriller by C.J. Box, "Treasure State", which has Cassie following two cases in Montana - one, a charming con man who absconded with millions defrauded from rich women, and two, a mysterious poet/author who left clues to a buried treasure that has become a nationwide hunt.

The bad guy in this is really, really bad, and there are some very tense scenes where he is just waiting to pounce on whoever gets in his way.

There were some nice digs at COVID drama queens and safetyism. Heh.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 27, 2022 09:41 AM (Dc2NZ)

97 Money when putin was a small cog in the machine as they looted everything that wasnt nailed down

Posted by: No 6 at November 27, 2022 09:41 AM (PXvVL)

98 Off to decorate the tree with Mom. See you cats 'n' kittens in a bit.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord at November 27, 2022 09:42 AM (Dc2NZ)

99 @81 --

Kingsley Amis wrote that Bond's primary adversary was M.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:43 AM (Om/di)

100 I think a lot of people have a comfort book. Similar to comfort food. To be read from time to time like visiting an old friend. One of mine is Time For Yesterday, by A. C. Crispin. Based on Star Trek TOS.
I'm about half way thru. It's still fun.
Posted by: Diogenes

Mine are Big Trouble and Tricky Business by Dave Barry.

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 09:43 AM (T4tVD)

101 Incidentally, trout fillets and eggs makes a fine breakfast.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 27, 2022 09:40 AM (geVLo)

Yes, and I think it counts as vegetarian.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 27, 2022 09:43 AM (oINRc)

102 I finished "Brideshead Revisited" this week. I was expecting some anti-Catholic stuff and was pleasantly surprised.

Is the Mini-series any good?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 09:43 AM (I9VC/)

103 Comment: How many early pioneers simply headed west and then stopped when they found a good place to set up a homestead?

I think the word Denver is early pioneer for "f#$k that". One look at the Rockies after the plains and a wagonload of people said to themselves "Damn, Denver. We're staying here".

Posted by: Reforger at November 27, 2022 09:38 AM (W4CVQ)

Probably happened quite a bit. Some older western movies with wagon trains showed people considering stopping where they were at instead of continuing on to Oregon or Californy.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 09:44 AM (Angsy)

104 Off to decorate the tree with Mom. See you cats 'n' kittens in a bit.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Live! from the Dungeon of Discord

Have fun, Eris !

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 09:44 AM (T4tVD)

105 Weird chyron here...

"Deaths of four University of Idaho students not connected to two other deadly stabbings in Pacific Northwest."

So I checked an atlas [book thread!] to check that my memory wasn't playing me false and Idaho is closer to the Atlantic than the Pacific and, indeed, it looks like Idaho is [narrowly] closer to the Atlantic than to the Rockies!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 09:44 AM (Vwz3I)

106 Yay, book thread!

Writing news is that I'm about halfway through the read-aloud of Walls of Men. It takes a while. The good news is that the maps are done, and my final Guard drill is this coming weekend, so I'll have one less distraction in finishing it.

My reading is now full-on Joseph Conrad, and I'm working my way through Nostromo. It is slow going, but enjoyable. Conrad is all about the world-building here, and he's really enjoying himself in coming up with quirks to make "Costaguana" sound real.

It's definitely not a quick read, but the flip side is that I don't need to worry about getting anything new for a bit.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 09:45 AM (llXky)

107 Is the Mini-series any good?
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 09:43 AM (I9VC/)

I loved it, but avoid the movie like the plague

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 09:45 AM (Zzbjj)

108 So, Evelyn Waugh was gay. Did he fancy himself the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde? Did he repent of it when he converted to Catholicism?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 09:45 AM (I9VC/)

109 I read Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan by Herbert Bix. I believe someone else here recommended it.

The central thesis is that Hirohito was not the feckless, innocent figurehead he was portrayed to be in the postwar period, but rather was involved with the planning and execution of the war from the start. In many cases he was the primary driver. We let him off without a necktie party because we needed him to keep Japan quiet and hold off the Russians. Whether that was really necessary will never be known for sure, but Bix goes a long way to settle the matter.

Bix used a huge variety of original sources, including letters, diaries, eyewitness accounts, and imperial rescripts, to buttress his claim, and I think he got it right. It won a Pulitzer, but I still think it's a good book.

He also occasionally lapses into rote anti-American statements, but it's less obtrusive than some other books, and in any case, he saves most of his criticism for Japan, as is appropriate.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 09:46 AM (eOEVl)

110 A c crispin who novelized v back in the 80s apparently has a whole backstory to jack sparrow he wasnt always a pirate he started out working for the east indian company

Posted by: No 6 at November 27, 2022 09:47 AM (PXvVL)

111 Book horde, question about weeding the bookshelves:
I have these books in search of a new home and I was wondering if I should let the horde get first dibs, at least on out of print stuff?

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 27, 2022 09:47 AM (Kd4bG)

112 I finished "Brideshead Revisited" this week. I was expecting some anti-Catholic stuff and was pleasantly surprised.

Is the Mini-series any good?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 09:43 AM (I9VC/)
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Interesting take. Waugh does not pull punches in criticizing Anglo-Catholics, that's for sure, but it is a conversion story at its core.

The TV series is outstanding, arguably the best adaptation ever.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 09:47 AM (llXky)

113 , it looks like Idaho is [narrowly] closer to the Atlantic than to the Rockies!
Posted by: andycanuck

*******

Wait, what? Idaho is IN the Rockies. Are you thinking of Iowa?

Posted by: Muldoon at November 27, 2022 09:47 AM (ykeLU)

114 Oh, before I forget (my usual 29yo state) --

Kidlet #1 bought an old house and ran into lead issues. We have tracked some of them to leaded glass fronted bookcases original to the house.

For those of us who enjoy old stuff, a reminder to be careful.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 27, 2022 09:48 AM (MIKMs)

115 My favorite novels are Lonesome Dove and The Killer Angels. My comfort books are legit history books. I like to see a new take on things or to revisit an old one that was right all along.

Posted by: Quint at November 27, 2022 09:48 AM (Q1H2C)

116 Currently reading Bad Childhood, Good Life by Dr. Laura. It has a lot of great insight in there, but I'm struggling with some of it. I can see my sister in it a lot more than me, but I do think it might help me get through some of the stuff we're going through.

Posted by: Trog04 at November 27, 2022 09:49 AM (wfZwW)

117 108 So, Evelyn Waugh was gay. Did he fancy himself the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde? Did he repent of it when he converted to Catholicism?
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 09:45 AM (I9VC/)

Not quite gay, with two wives and seven children, he may have been bi, but not gay.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 09:49 AM (Zzbjj)

118 @111 --

Specify the types of books, please.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:49 AM (Om/di)

119 I read all of the books by Jack Carr, a writer similar to Matt Flynn or Brad Thor. There are 5 books about a former Seal who 'sets things straight'.

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 09:50 AM (4svuj)

120 I also read "Eat Right for Your Blood Type" by Peter D'Adamo. We have about 30 days of Feasting Season left, but after that, for many of us, it's Diet Season.

I recall a discussion with Perfesser Squirrel and some others, some days ago, where we accepted that the same diet doesn't work for everyone. "Eat Right..." offers some reasons why. In particular, as humans adapted to different environments and food sources, so did their blood adapt to those conditions.

I was interested to see that for most of my adult life, I self-selected the appropriate types of food for the most part. Will try removing the ones he says are not good for blood type A (after Feasting Season, of course) and see if it relieves inflammation and encourages belly reduction.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 27, 2022 09:50 AM (OX9vb)

121 thanks Shadout !! I sees the ad for part II and became Hellbender curious...so now I have 2 to read..boom!

Posted by: Qmark at November 27, 2022 09:51 AM (ttO/Q)

122 This is not who we are. Be batter, Horde.
Posted by: Muldoon

*snort

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 27, 2022 09:51 AM (OX9vb)

123 Thanks for the mention of "The Lightning Conductor". Just ordered a used hardcover edition from 1905. This is the kind of pleasant, light reading I enjoy when the brain is too tired for more 'serious' matters. And I love the use of language and pacing from that pre-war era.

Posted by: JTB at November 27, 2022 09:52 AM (7EjX1)

124 Wait, what? Idaho is IN the Rockies. Are you thinking of Iowa?
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GET BENT!!! I'M ONLY ON MY FIRST COFFEE!!

Sorry; you're right. I hang my head in shame.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 09:52 AM (Vwz3I)

125 I don't really have anyone to write to. Used to write to my grandmother all the time. I have an online friend that would enjoy a letter so maybe I'll write one to her.

Read a book about a year with Marie Kondo, about taking a year to go through her stuff and tidy up. About the only good part was it got me to reread Kondo's book. And it dawned on me why I feel happier here. In the process of moving, you have to evaluate your stuff and leave a lot behind. The stuff you move tends to be what you really enjoy.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 27, 2022 09:52 AM (uz3Px)

126 So, Evelyn Waugh was gay. Did he fancy himself the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde? Did he repent of it when he converted to Catholicism?

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 09:45 AM (I9VC/)
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Waugh was something of a wild child at Oxford, and was "sent down" because of it. However, he married another Evelyn (they went by "He-velyn" "She-velyn" but soon divorced.

He converted to Catholicism and married Laura Herbert and had large number of children.

Some think that Charles and Sebastian had a homosexual relationship, but this is not borne out in the text. If Waugh wants to put a homosexual in a book, he's very up front about it.

He references this in Brideshead when Julia lights a cigarette for him and describes it as the first soft squeak of sexuality in his life.

To put it another way, he was seduced by the entire family and wanted to be them. Sebastian was his idol, not his lover.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 09:52 AM (llXky)

127 Book horde, question about weeding the bookshelves:
I have these books in search of a new home and I was wondering if I should let the horde get first dibs, at least on out of print stuff?
Posted by: vmom

Dibs on your old issues of Playboy!!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 27, 2022 09:55 AM (qoGsy)

128 I also blame your two-letter [postal] short-form system and not myself. ID IA IL IN

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 09:56 AM (Vwz3I)

129 It would be interesting if it were true. I haven’t read the book but my guess is most prescribed diets are low carb. I have lost 70 pounds over the last three years, the Covid years. I have been struggling with
The last ten for six months. Is that blood type?, carbs?, or is my body not able to drop more than a quick 70?

I wish I had the answer there.

Posted by: Quint at November 27, 2022 09:56 AM (Q1H2C)

130 My penmanship is terrible. If I did write someone a letter, they wouldn't be able to read it.

A few years ago, likely in this thread, someone mentioned a penmanship course for adults. I may have bookmarked it at the time but that would have been a couple of computers ago and I didn't carry it forward. Does anybody remember what it was?

Posted by: Oddbob at November 27, 2022 09:58 AM (nfrXX)

131 @124 --

"Doctors bury their mistakes. Editors pubish theirs."

As evidenced in that numbers book in today's thread.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 09:58 AM (Om/di)

132 To put it another way, he was seduced by the entire family and wanted to be them. Sebastian was his idol, not his lover.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 09:52 AM (llXky)

Charles was mesmerized by the Marchmains and their opulent life. I'm not even convinced that Sebastian was idolized as much as studied by Charles and that the friendship, while real, served as a portal into a very different world. Fitzgerald said "the rich are different", and I think Waugh, via Charles expressed this in BR.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 09:58 AM (Zzbjj)

133 I read "The Dragon's Teeth" last week. An Ellery Queen novel, but the main character was really a new partner, Beau Rummel. I wonder if the character was planned to continue in other stories or not?
It wasn't a very tight story, although I went back and forth on who the villain was - I was wrong on all guesses.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 09:59 AM (Angsy)

134 "How many early pioneers simply headed west and then stopped when they found a good place to set up a homestead?"

This is a question I've asked during the many times I've made the journey from east to west, into the mountains. It always struck me as strange, the folks who settled just outside the view of the mountains, in the "middle of nowhere." Why not just keep going, mere dozens of miles to the west, the views are spectacular.

But the above quote from the book is something I could not contemplate. That need to be finished, to not keep going, but to stop right here. It was obviously too great a temptation to pass up for some, for the town that line the eastern part of Colorado are many.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 09:59 AM (NWBBy)

135 Someone was asking about good books for young women last week...

https://tinyurl.com/2bu2rhkt

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 27, 2022 09:40 AM (oINRc)

LOL. You are incorrigible!

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 27, 2022 09:59 AM (OX9vb)

136 Not quite gay, with two wives and seven children, he may have been bi, but not gay.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 09:49 AM (Zzbjj)
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Homosexuality has (until our age) always and everywhere been understood as a behavior, not an "orientation" or immutable characteristic. Several literary figured had homosexual relationships in their youth and later became what we call "straight."

Robert Graves wrote about it in some detail, saying that the English school system pushed boys into same-sex relationships. He had one, and then decided he liked women better - the more the merrier.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 09:59 AM (llXky)

137 Probably happened quite a bit. Some older western movies with wagon trains showed people considering stopping where they were at instead of continuing on to Oregon or Californy.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 09:44 AM (Angsy)

There is a section of the Caliiforny trail East of me that, if the stories are true you could walk the entire section on bones and not actually touch the ground. Even the Mormons avoided the area.
Prior to Trains and air conditoning only the really well prepared and tough lived through that trip. The transcontinental rail road allowed the weaker to make it. It's kind of funny exploring old stage and pony express stops in the Nevada desert as most are nowhere near modern roads. Some you look at and think "why here"? Then you remember the indian attacks and water and a lot was taken into consideration that we simply take for granted these days. 15 or 20 miles without a watering hole means nothing today but could mean life or death back then.

Posted by: Reforger at November 27, 2022 10:00 AM (heunx)

138 Just started "The Sea Wolves", the latest of Clive Cussler's Isaac Bell series. This is the first one written entirely by Jack Du Brul. This is now my favorite of the various Cussler series. I enjoyed all of Du Brul's non-Cussler Mercer series and so far he is meeting my expectations.

Yaa me!

Posted by: JTB at November 27, 2022 10:00 AM (7EjX1)

139 Skip - I read Camp of the Saints years ago. It was actually assigned as part of a college class on military history, but I didn't get around to reading it until maybe 15 years later.
As for its readability, I'd say it leaves something to be desired. Maybe the translation I had wasn't very good. Maybe the author was referring to things he'd assume every Frenchman in the early 70s would know.
Having said that, I'd give it a go. It's depressing, but it directly addresses the suicidal nature of modern, western liberalism. In a sense, it's like going back and reading an ancient prophecy that has already come to pass.

Posted by: PabloD at November 27, 2022 10:01 AM (SZfqZ)

140 @128 --

Our two-letter postal codes??

I submit: BC AB SK QC

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 10:01 AM (Om/di)

141 I remember trying my hand at tying flies but that takes a considerable investment, especially when you're young, so I would gather bait, bullheads, and catch enough to finance my need for flies. At the local fly shop, where I knew the owners, I'd trade my bait for the derelict flies they left on the cutting room floor. Back then, they had a whole room filled with women who would tie flies for the business. I would flirt with the women and they would give me flies.

And the fish didn't care if the fly was perfect.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 27, 2022 10:01 AM (geVLo)

142 Thanks, I hoped there were transcripts somewhere. I don't care for listening, I'd rather read so I can go back and forth. Did you get the book?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 09:39 AM (Angsy)

Yes! Thank you very much! Did you get the Zane Grey ? Or is it still in snail mail...

I feel the same way about listening - hate audiobooks! - but Larry Correia & Steve Diamond have a great conversational style so it's actually more fun than I expected. They talk about a certain writing topic, then sometimes suggest a prompt.
You can listen out of order if you want, for the most part, if you are just interested in certain topics.
On the FB group members do suggest and discuss writung books and topics, so if you like you can just try that.
Both podcast and group are free, although a voluntary subscription to the podcast is encouraged (I think a dollar a month)

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 27, 2022 10:02 AM (Kd4bG)

143 Good morning although pretty dreary morning here.
But, it's a range day so I don't care.
Read Sanderson's newest and last book in the Mistborn series, The Lost Metal. I was so excited because I am such a fan girl but did not live up to the previous three. It takes place 6 years after the previous book and much has changed. Wax, the brash, Wild West gunslinging lawman is now a politician. Sigh. Right there I had a problem. Although he gets back into the swing of things, the book focuses more on Marisa and Wayne.
He is starting to tie this part of the Cosmere into his other books so it needs to be read as he hints at much to come but by modernizing the setting(they now have electricity and motor cars) some of the charm is gone. Felt like he had to close this particular story line so he could get on to where he is now.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 10:02 AM (Y+l9t)

144 130, I would be interested in that as well. My penmanship sucks. They did not teach it to us like they did our parents. Back then they would force good penmanship. It was like how the Foreign Legion teaches French. They start you slowly, but in the end you speak it whether you like it or not.

Posted by: Quint at November 27, 2022 10:03 AM (Q1H2C)

145 "How many early pioneers simply headed west and then stopped when they found a good place to set up a homestead?"

This is a question I've asked during the many times I've made the journey from east to west, into the mountains. It always struck me as strange, the folks who settled just outside the view of the mountains, in the "middle of nowhere." Why not just keep going, mere dozens of miles to the west, the views are spectacular.

The only plausible reason for Phoenix existing where it does is "This is where the last mule died."

Posted by: Oddbob at November 27, 2022 10:03 AM (nfrXX)

146 I read Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan by Herbert Bix. I believe someone else here recommended it.

The central thesis is that Hirohito was not the feckless, innocent figurehead he was portrayed to be in the postwar period, but rather was involved with the planning and execution of the war from the start.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 09:46 AM (eOEVl)
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The difficulty is defining what counts as "the start."

I'm curious to take a look, because a lot of convincing, prize-winning books these days are crap. See also Anthony Beevor.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:04 AM (llXky)

147 On even-numbered days, when they're trying to normalize their activities, gay activists point to human sexual relationships as a "spectrum" and say that "everyone's a little bit gay."

On odd-numbered days, when they're trying to use civil-rights law to defend their activities, or discredit "conversion therapy," the activists claim that sexual orientation is hard-wired, inborn, and unchangeable.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 27, 2022 10:05 AM (QZxDR)

148 Antoine, otoh, was definitely gay.

Back in the day, there were lots of gays marrying women who find out, belatedly, that the husband isn't chaste. Heartbreak city.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 10:05 AM (I9VC/)

149 Well just bought Camp of the Saints, $1 on kindle, comes up in discussions often so might as well read it.
After I finish Deuteronomy

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2022 10:06 AM (xhxe8)

150 Wait, what? Idaho is IN the Rockies. Are you thinking of Iowa?
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GET BENT!!! I'M ONLY ON MY FIRST COFFEE!!

Sorry; you're right. I hang my head in shame.
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At least you know someone actually reads your posts. Lol

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 10:08 AM (Y+l9t)

151 True gays are a tiny percent of the population. Americans always overstate the percentage of minorities of all kinds in the population. They vastly overstate the number of gays, and they as well with all so called minority groups.

Posted by: Quint at November 27, 2022 10:09 AM (Q1H2C)

152 I submit: BC AB SK QC
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Aping the American system -- it was Alta. Que. Sask. Ont. when I was a boy!!! And B.C. was always full of freaks!

"The novel establishes Radar's hometown as Ottumwa, Iowa."
Also, me misremembering Radar's Midwest home state.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 10:09 AM (Vwz3I)

153 Quint...your body will allow you to do a lot of things...lose weight...sure...but It will only let that go on until IT decides.... that's enough!!! you will have to fight like hell for the rest of it...basic DNA survival instincts

Posted by: Qmark at November 27, 2022 10:10 AM (ttO/Q)

154 Antoine, otoh, was definitely gay.

Back in the day, there were lots of gays marrying women who find out, belatedly, that the husband isn't chaste. Heartbreak city.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 10:05 AM (I9VC/)
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In Waugh's other work, he also features homosexuals some of whom are open, some of whom aren't.

If Waugh intended the Sebastian/Charles relationship to be gay, he was fully capable of writing it that way. People who argue that he was being subtle are either ignorant or have an agenda, likely both.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:10 AM (llXky)

155 At least you know someone actually reads your posts. Lol
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
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Correction. Two people, Sharon! Or responses to my posts at least if not my posts.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 10:11 AM (Vwz3I)

156 Watching Pastor Creflo Dollar this morning. Former therapist turned Pastor/Teacher. I stayed in Atlanta one month on a project for Hyatt in 07. A very unique city indeed..

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at November 27, 2022 10:11 AM (QzPUP)

157 I read Eat Right for Your Type. I'm type B and the diet seems to suit me. I had an allergy test done by a homeopath about three years ago. At the time,I tested fine to dairy but reacted to all meats. She thought that was probably temporary. I asked how I tested to lamb (which is the meat suggested for type B). That tested out fine. Not sure where I would find lamb around here though. It's beef country.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 27, 2022 10:11 AM (uz3Px)

158 Not much to report from Pliny this week. I made it thru the sections on flax asbestos (used in cloth!), and gardens. The only thing that stuck out was this quote:

"Indeed, there is nothing that pleases man in the fashion in which Nature originally made it."

Posted by: fd at November 27, 2022 10:12 AM (sn5EN)

159 Flax, comma, asbestos

Posted by: fd at November 27, 2022 10:13 AM (sn5EN)

160 I think N.Clement Withers is having you on.

Flatter than a table top
Makes you wonder why they stopped here
Wagon must have lost a wheel
Or they lacked ambition one

In the great migration west
Separated from the rest
Though they might have tried their best
They never caught the sun

So they sunk some roots down in this dirt
To keep from blowin' off the earth
Built a town right here
When the dust had all but cleared
They called it Levelland
/James McMurtry

Posted by: Muldoon at November 27, 2022 10:13 AM (ykeLU)

161 Nice hat!

Sure, you wear it in the privacy of your own home, but have you rocked it outdoors, in public?

My first time here since the Book Thread baton was passed to Prof Squirrel. I'm impressed! And also have questions.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 10:14 AM (QPRt9)

162 I agree with A.H. Lloyd. Charles and Sebastian were drinking buddies. It amazes me how an 18 year old can go to Oxford and do nothing but party all the time. Then again, "Animal House," where the boys refuse to grow up.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 10:14 AM (I9VC/)

163 After I finish Deuteronomy
Posted by: Skip

Angry Moses is the best

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at November 27, 2022 10:14 AM (LPLH0)

164 The only plausible reason for Phoenix existing where it does is "This is where the last mule died."
Posted by: Oddbob at November 27, 2022 10:03 AM (nfrXX)

I wonder if it was as hot as it is now, when it was first settled. People tend to settle for any number of reasons. The geography certainly makes sense, it sits in a bowl, so there's not much opportunity to create that large a community anywhere else nearby.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 10:15 AM (NWBBy)

165 153 Qmark,

That has been my experience. For two years I lost and lost. For sure it was never easy, but it did happen. Now I do the same thing and it does go up and down, but in the end nowhere. It might just be the point the body says enough.

Posted by: Quint at November 27, 2022 10:15 AM (Q1H2C)

166 163 After I finish Deuteronomy
Posted by: Skip

Angry Moses is the best
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at November 27, 2022 10:14 AM (LPLH0)

That's one opinion.

Posted by: Aaron at November 27, 2022 10:15 AM (PiwSw)

167 True gays are a tiny percent of the population. Americans always overstate the percentage of minorities of all kinds in the population. They vastly overstate the number of gays, and they as well with all so called minority groups.

Posted by: Quint at November 27, 2022 10:09 AM (Q1H2C)
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And people can and do give it up. Hollywood in particular has successfully convinced the public that "conversion therapy" is a form of torture, but if that's the case, why ban something no one wants?

Oh, right, boys that are raped or molested might confide who did what to change them. Got it.

When Dr. Drew was doing that call-in show, every time someone who was gay called, he'd ask them when they were molested. Every one of them had been. That really opened my eyes to what was going on.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:15 AM (llXky)

168 If Waugh intended the Sebastian/Charles relationship to be gay, he was fully capable of writing it that way. People who argue that he was being subtle are either ignorant or have an agenda, likely both.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:10 AM (llXky)

I agree with this and if you recall, and the mini-series spells this out well, that Anthony Blanche does not see Charles as a gay man, and takes Charles to a gay bar realizing that Charles will be uncomfortable there. He does not hesitate to write about homosexuality.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 10:16 AM (Zzbjj)

169 Andy, what do Canadian newspapers use when running stories about events in the States?

Associated Press style for Canadian datelines was to capitalize the city name, then a comma, then spell out the province.

For U.S. stories, we used the standard abbreviations.

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 10:16 AM (Om/di)

170 . I stayed in Atlanta one month on a project for Hyatt in 07. A very unique city indeed..

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at November 27, 2022 10:11 AM (QzPUP)

I've got Atlanta on the brain since I just finished reading Gone With The Wind last night.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 10:17 AM (QPRt9)

171 Yes! Thank you very much! Did you get the Zane Grey ? Or is it still in snail mail...

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 27, 2022 10:02 AM (Kd4bG)

Note to reader: Don't get old.

I can't remember!!!!! What was the title? I've gotten plenty of stuff by mail lately. Somethings just, Poof! and disappear.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 10:18 AM (Angsy)

172 I agree with A.H. Lloyd. Charles and Sebastian were drinking buddies. It amazes me how an 18 year old can go to Oxford and do nothing but party all the time. Then again, "Animal House," where the boys refuse to grow up.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 10:14 AM (I9VC/)
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The European style of university has lectures and then a single final that covers the year. That's when people get "sent down."

But you can get a lot of partying out of that year.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:18 AM (llXky)

173 My morning is not complete without some Muldoon . Thank you sir. The pancakes, sausage, scrambled eggs and berries helped too.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at November 27, 2022 10:19 AM (LPLH0)

174 "Watching Pastor Creflo Dollar this morning..."
I'm sorry, this is the book thread. The Rank Heresy thread will be along shortly.

Posted by: PabloD at November 27, 2022 10:19 AM (SZfqZ)

175 Welcome back, kallisto!

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 10:20 AM (Om/di)

176 Perfessor- you should find if yo didn't see Muldoons rhyme as a throw away last week, it's a masterpiece

Posted by: Skip at November 27, 2022 10:20 AM (xhxe8)

177 Back in the day, there were lots of gays marrying women who find out, belatedly, that the husband isn't chaste. Heartbreak city.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 10:05 AM (I9VC/)

The human race is weird. I believe a lot of men don't really like women, but they like having sex with women.

So the need to be around men is greater, and I guess some of them give in to the urge for intimacy. I don't get it, but I think that's what happens a lot of the time.

Which isn't the same as the closeted dude who marries because he thinks he must have the façade of respectability. I'm sure that happened a LOT more often in the past than it does now, but it probably still does.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 10:20 AM (NWBBy)

178 The difficulty is defining what counts as "the start."

I'm curious to take a look, because a lot of convincing, prize-winning books these days are crap. See also Anthony Beevor.

In this case, Bix methodically demonstrates that Hirohito's primary concern from the beginning of his reign was to preserve and expand his power. His father was a virtual idiot and invalid, so he modeled himself more along the lines of his grandfather, Meiji (of the restoration). The really appalling thing that comes through loud and clear is that Hirohito cared less for his people than he did his power. That's why he dragged the war out for so long. Only when it was undeniable that the war was lost did he move to end it, but only on terms that benefited him and his station. He then spent the postwar period trying to regain power, which thankfully, he was unable to do.

Agree on many prize-winning books these days. This isn't one of them.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 10:20 AM (eOEVl)

179 157 I read Eat Right for Your Type. I'm type B and the diet seems to suit me.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

I lost 35 pounds on keto several years ago, but I hated every minute of it. I just don't like meat very much. So, I've regained most of it in the past two years. If this system is accurate, I'll still be able to eat the carbs, but cheese is right out. A hardship, but at least most of the foods I really love are going to be just fine.

And most of the bigger grocery stores have half a dozen packages of lamb near the beef section.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 27, 2022 10:20 AM (OX9vb)

180 The Ancient Romans had fireproof togas?

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 10:21 AM (Vwz3I)

181 In anthony horowitz last bond outing that attempt on m in you only live twice is explained as an attempt to infiltrate a smersh plot against kruschev

His previous two outings were laden with anti americanism but considering horowitzs father was a bag man for harold wilson its not so surprising

Posted by: No 6 at November 27, 2022 10:21 AM (PXvVL)

182 When Dr. Drew was doing that call-in show, every time someone who was gay called, he'd ask them when they were molested. Every one of them had been.

When I worked in creative, many of my professional network were gay men. Quite a few befriended me. To a man, each one confided they'd been molested by a male adult when they were little.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 10:22 AM (QPRt9)

183 I agree with this and if you recall, and the mini-series spells this out well, that Anthony Blanche does not see Charles as a gay man, and takes Charles to a gay bar realizing that Charles will be uncomfortable there. He does not hesitate to write about homosexuality.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 10:16 AM (Zzbjj)
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True, I'd forgotten about that.

If you watch the miniseries as a conversion story, it comes through very clearly. Julia's harrowing rant with Charles about how her sin killed her mother is a key part of that. An amazing dramatic performance.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:22 AM (llXky)

184 Which isn't the same as the closeted dude who marries because he thinks he must have the façade of respectability.

Nice job on the cedilla. How did you do it?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 10:23 AM (eOEVl)

185 Lamb is like Merlot. The good stuff is really good, and the bad stuff is really bad. When it comes to lamb the cooking is essential. You have more leeway with beef.

Posted by: Quint at November 27, 2022 10:24 AM (Q1H2C)

186 A few years ago, likely in this thread, someone mentioned a penmanship course for adults. I may have bookmarked it at the time but that would have been a couple of computers ago and I didn't carry it forward. Does anybody remember what it was?
Posted by: Oddbob at November 27, 2022 09:58 AM (nfrXX)

I started with getting a Palmer chart (like they used to give out to grade-schoolers) and started trying to make the same characters. It works best to use a pencil or a crayon because it forces you to make BIG letters to practice with. Stake out the recycling bin for scrap paper by the way.

Later I picked up a facsimile of a book of Abraham Lincoln's personal letters and some penmanship examples from the 1880's and used those as style sheets (Lincoln wrote a lot in a fairly clear hand so it gave me a lot to chose from).
I also started using dip pens to practice with since the thing that is forgotten is that penmanship styles were designed to take advantage of the features of dip pens, and minimize the problems. The curlicues were for looks, but they also started ink flow and avoided blotting, heavy lines were down lines, up lines were gliding lines just touching

Posted by: Kindltot at November 27, 2022 10:25 AM (xhaym)

187 It might just be the point the body says enough.
Posted by: Quint

And, there might just be a handful of foods that seem unremarkable, but cause trouble in your bloodstream.

I'm not convinced yet, but I'm going to try it.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 27, 2022 10:25 AM (OX9vb)

188 61 ... "only read some of F Scott Fitzgerald's letters. I miss letters, and words on paper."

CN,
I have editions of the correspondence of CS Lewis (3 volumes) and JRR Tolkien. I got them just to have material by them. Turns out they were interesting reading. Their personality and concerns in everyday life come through in their personal letters. Tolkien explaining something to a friend or Lewis taking a modern critic to the woodshed reveals more about the writer than their published works.

Yeah, I miss getting and writing letters. It's been a while since either occurred. I would like to write fan letters to some people but they often keep their physical address confidential. Bummer.

Posted by: JTB at November 27, 2022 10:25 AM (7EjX1)

189 Well into Andes by Michael Jacobs and it's excellent, a very interesting travelogue about a fairly unknown part of the world.

Posted by: who knew at November 27, 2022 10:26 AM (4I7VG)

190 I can assure you that Mr K's Food Mart does not have lamb! I'll have to get some when I go to the city. I was there yesterday and forgot to get all sorts of stuff. Maybe I should drive out again today.

And the name of the town I'm in is a good equivalent of Levelland!

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 27, 2022 10:26 AM (uz3Px)

191 Kallisto, giggle up Dr. Trezvant's account of the burning of Columbia S.C. during the WBTS. A bit less romantic tale than GWTW. Dr. Trezvant was an eyewitness.

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 10:26 AM (z3WCn)

192 While visiting family for the holiday, I started and got about halfway through "The Insidious Dr. Fi-Manchu" by Sax Romer. Because it was cheap/free, and because F--- political correctness! ...But in this case, the book's bad reputation might actually be deserved. So far, every single Chinese character that has appeared has been presented as loathsome.

Still, the book is less of slog than some of the 'classics' I've tried reading lately. The book consists of over a dozen short, almost self-contained incidents (dare I call them paricopes?) where the hero and the narrator try to stop Doc Manchu from murdering someone. To give the book credit, there are some interesting murder schemes, and the mix of successes and failures to keep things from getting predictable. Also, it is fun to see an exotic set of villains. You probably won't find any modern story drawing upon thuggees or dacoits...

Posted by: Castle Guy at November 27, 2022 10:26 AM (Lhaco)

193 So the need to be around men is greater, and I guess some of them give in to the urge for intimacy. I don't get it, but I think that's what happens a lot of the time.

Which isn't the same as the closeted dude who marries because he thinks he must have the façade of respectability. I'm sure that happened a LOT more often in the past than it does now, but it probably still does.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 10:20 AM (NWBBy)
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I think some men are molested, and homosexuality is what is familiar to them.

There's also the fact that homosexuality has been associated with decadence since forever. It feeds the need for kink, forbidden fruit and all that.

What were "rent boys" but something naughty, a change of pace over same old boring sex with the wife?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:27 AM (llXky)

194 My uncle drove a Cedilla for awhile. Nice car, but it burned a lot of oil.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at November 27, 2022 10:27 AM (DhOHl)

195 Ground lamb in these parts is about $8 / lb. Ground beef, around $4 and if you have a meat grinder, you can grind pork loin for about $2.50 / lb.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at November 27, 2022 10:29 AM (I9VC/)

196 The really appalling thing that comes through loud and clear is that Hirohito cared less for his people than he did his power.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 10:20 AM (eOEVl)
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Welcome to monarchy Asian-style. Let me tell you about China...

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:29 AM (llXky)

197 I’m currently reading The First Horseman by Jack Case. The First Horseman referred to is Pestilence, from Revelations, and this story deals with a possible pandemic: the recurrence of the Spanish flu.

A sf thriller/mystery, it was published in 1998 and is eerily prescient about the recent viral pandemic (although the Spanish flu was an H1N1 virus, not a Corona virus).

Posted by: March Hare at November 27, 2022 10:29 AM (lwrAe)

198 "PROOFREADING THIS BOOK COULDN'T HAVE BEEN THAT HARD?!"

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You had 2 1 job!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at November 27, 2022 10:30 AM (FVME7)

199 thanks Shadout !! I sees the ad for part II and became Hellbender curious...so now I have 2 to read..boom!
Posted by: Qmark at November 27, 2022 09:51 AM (ttO/Q)

I'm a quarter way through the first one and I'm liking it well enough to go buy the 2nd.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at November 27, 2022 10:31 AM (ZSK0i)

200 WHO MAC DADDY??

Posted by: mrp at November 27, 2022 10:31 AM (6eRlp)

201 The human race is weird. I believe a lot of men don't really like women, but they like having sex with women.
Posted by BurtTC

I think this is a very insightful statement. Bill Clinton always struck me as that kind of man.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 10:32 AM (Y+l9t)

202 If you had to listen to Hillary day in and day out for 40 years, what would your perception of women be?

Posted by: PabloD at November 27, 2022 10:33 AM (SZfqZ)

203 I actually find it less stressful to deal with the limited goods at the local store. But there are some things I have to drive to get and I haven't adjusted to that.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 27, 2022 10:34 AM (uz3Px)

204 Which isn't the same as the closeted dude who marries because he thinks he must have the façade of respectability.
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Nice job on the cedilla. How did you do it?
Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 10:23 AM (eOEVl)

I got the red squiggly line when I simply typed "facade," and I just gave in and let it correct my "mistake."

See, it's here now, where I've put it in quotation marks above, but I'm not going to let the red squiggly correct it. Part of the mystery of the AoSHQ formatting.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 10:34 AM (NWBBy)

205 Kallisto, giggle up Dr. Trezvant's account of the burning of Columbia S.C. during the WBTS. A bit less romantic tale than GWTW. Dr. Trezvant was an eyewitness.

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 10:26 AM (z3WCn)

I will do that. I kind of backed in to reading GWTW, I'm not a big fiction reader. However, this book is historical fiction and the movie is iconic, and someone recommended it to me, so I borrowed it from the library. I'd been starting to learn about the Civil War battles and GWTW kind of dovetailed in with that effort.
For most of my life I knew the CW, WBTS, however you want to name it, was a defining moment in the history of the USA, but I never considered it part of *my* history, since my parents didn't arrive on these shores until the 1950s-60s, and none of my people were involved in any of that mess.

Going a little bit more into the history now, I can see how it set the stage for so much of what we currently experience.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 10:34 AM (ymi5a)

206 If you had to listen to Hillary day in and day out for 40 years, what would your perception of women be?
Posted by: PabloD

Someone get me a fucking ice pick!

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at November 27, 2022 10:35 AM (Wy1BU)

207 What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife at November 27, 2022 10:36 AM (DhOHl)

208 Andy, what do Canadian newspapers use when running stories about events in the States?

Associated Press style for Canadian datelines was to capitalize the city name, then a comma, then spell out the province.

For U.S. stories, we used the standard abbreviations.
Posted by: Weak Geek
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It's been so long since I've read a dead-tree newspaper -- probably 6 years -- [not helped by 2 years of literal and virtual lockdowns for bars, restaurants and barbershops] that I've forgotten what CP did for U.S. news stories.

It looks like from the Toronto Sun's International page, they just use the city name now without a state or nation descriptor in the standard all-caps like plain Milan, and New York with the one exception of "TAIPEI, Taiwan" I notice.

Pardon the late reply, Weak Geek.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 10:36 AM (Vwz3I)

209 The human race is weird. I believe a lot of men don't really like women, but they like having sex with women.
Posted by BurtTC

I think this is a very insightful statement. Bill Clinton always struck me as that kind of man.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 10:32 AM (Y+l9t)

Sadly, I think it's quite common. Now, I'm guessing most of these guys don't go around having sex with other men, but they sure do like men's company way more than the company of women. Including their wives.

Honestly, I don't get it. Men generally bore me. Sorry fellas.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 10:37 AM (NWBBy)

210 "The Ancient Romans had fireproof togas?
Posted by: andycanuck"

Napkins!

"that were made of it (asbestos), thrown into a blazing fire, in the room where the guests were at table, and after the stains were burnt out, come forth from the flames whiter and cleaner than they could possibly have been rendered by the aid of water."

Posted by: fd at November 27, 2022 10:37 AM (sn5EN)

211 >>>If you had to listen to Hillary day in and day out for 40 years, what would your perception of women be?

>Hillary just needed to be tamed. You don't let a feral critter run wild in your house.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 27, 2022 10:38 AM (geVLo)

212 Good morning all.

Perfessor, you have the pimp hat but not the 'Kramer' pimp coat? I suggest going for the entire outfit to make the right impression.

Posted by: Lola at November 27, 2022 10:39 AM (NIYa7)

213 Honestly, I don't get it. Men generally bore me. Sorry fellas.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 10:37 AM (NWBBy)

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*puts latest Venn diagrams back in folder*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 27, 2022 10:39 AM (Qzn2/)

214 Posted by: JTB at November 27, 2022 10:25 AM (7EjX1)

It's only recently that I found out that while insisting that she burn his letters, that Scott Fitzgerald kept the letters from Ginevra King. Scotty, the daughter, returned them after his death. The woman's family made them public. From what I read, they attempted to give her a greater role in his life than she likely had, and the suggestion was made that Gatsby was her idea. Apparently she wrote something suggesting that when he became a Hollywood millionaire he could rescue her from a bad marriage. That is not the same as creating the novel.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 10:39 AM (Zzbjj)

215 >Hillary just needed to be tamed. You don't let a feral critter run wild in your house.
Posted by: Dr. Bone

I'm afraid you have misspelled "caged", good sir.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at November 27, 2022 10:39 AM (Wy1BU)

216 Pablo, what I could never understand is how some women found that attractive in a man. It is completely self centered. Maybe that is why so much homosexual sex is anonymous.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 10:40 AM (Y+l9t)

217 If you had to listen to Hillary day in and day out for 40 years, what would your perception of women be?

Posted by: PabloD at November 27, 2022 10:33 AM (SZfqZ)
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Well, that also goes to how female sexuality is typically more fluid. Women seem to decide to be lesbians and subsequently change their minds about it.

Not long ago there was an article in First Things (I think) by a woman who became a radical feminist in college and of course had to become a lesbian to be true to the movement. One day she was visiting with her grandmother and she ask her: "When are you going to grow your hair out and get married? Aren't you tired of that yet?"

After a moment of reflection, she realized she was tired of it, and grew her hair out, got married and had kids. She described it as escaping a cult.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:40 AM (llXky)

218 >Hillary just needed to be tamed. You don't let a feral critter run wild in your house.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 27, 2022 10:38 AM (geVLo)

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But she persisted. And persisted. And persisted.

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 27, 2022 10:40 AM (Qzn2/)

219 I think a lot of people have a comfort book. Similar to comfort food. To be read from time to time like visiting an old friend. One of mine is Time For Yesterday, by A. C. Crispin. Based on Star Trek TOS.
I'm about half way thru. It's still fun.
Posted by: Diogenes

Mine are Big Trouble and Tricky Business by Dave Barry.
Posted by: JT

A Deer on a Bicycle by Patrick McManus

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at November 27, 2022 10:41 AM (LPLH0)

220 It's only recently that I found out that while insisting that she burn his letters, that Scott Fitzgerald kept the letters from Ginevra King. Scotty, the daughter, returned them after his death. The woman's family made them public. From what I read, they attempted to give her a greater role in his life than she likely had, and the suggestion was made that Gatsby was her idea. Apparently she wrote something suggesting that when he became a Hollywood millionaire he could rescue her from a bad marriage. That is not the same as creating the novel.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 10:39 AM (Zzbjj)
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Along with Nostromo, I have two books on Conrad's experiences, and the upshot is that he borrowed heavily from personal experiences. Well, yes. He wrote what he knew.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:43 AM (llXky)

221 After a moment of reflection, she realized she was tired of it, and grew her hair out, got married and had kids. She described it as escaping a cult.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:40 AM (llXky)

There is also a long held perception that lesbianism is less objectionable than male homosexuality. Gertrude Stein seems to have made that case to Hemingway on several occasions.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 10:43 AM (Zzbjj)

222 Pablo, what I could never understand is how some women found that attractive in a man. It is completely self centered. Maybe that is why so much homosexual sex is anonymous.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 10:40 AM (Y+l9t)
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There are such things as marriages of convenience, more of a mutual aid pact than any kind of romantic arrangement. Frequent adultery is a classic indicator of this.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:44 AM (llXky)

223 Dr. Bone @ 211-
I look at that picture of hellary in college and wonder if she smelled really good, or walked sexy,
or kept her mouth shut (mosttly). What was it?

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 10:45 AM (z3WCn)

224 Speaking of Japan, weird ass Japaese bird gets fed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=79Q7KpxT_wE&t=210s

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at November 27, 2022 10:45 AM (FVME7)

225 When people don't know what to do they do what they know.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at November 27, 2022 10:45 AM (DhOHl)

226 A Deer on a Bicycle by Patrick McManus

******

Talk about some amazing prices. I didn't realize you can actually get a bicycle for under a buck!

Posted by: Muldoon at November 27, 2022 10:45 AM (ykeLU)

227 In the (hilarious) DC miniseries "Adventures in the Rifle Brigade," the head of the Brigade is a captive of the Nazis. The interrogator Gerta Gash tries to break him by declaring, "I know you went to public school!"

His reply: "Oh, it doesn't count if it's in school! Everybody knows that!"

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 27, 2022 10:46 AM (Om/di)

228 There is also a long held perception that lesbianism is less objectionable than male homosexuality. Gertrude Stein seems to have made that case to Hemingway on several occasions.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 10:43 AM (Zzbjj)
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That's because two men having sex is disgusting while two women having sex is merely absurd.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:46 AM (llXky)

229 "that were made of it (asbestos), thrown into a blazing fire, in the room where the guests were at table, and after the stains were burnt out, come forth from the flames whiter and cleaner than they could possibly have been rendered by the aid of water."
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Cool.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 10:46 AM (Vwz3I)

230 Hubbymayhem is fussing today. He has to make a Wal-Mart run and the weather is atrocious. Windy, raining, temps are falling. He is grouching about the weather and doesn't want to go out there at all.
Can't say I blame him. I'm not going outside unless the house catches on fire.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at November 27, 2022 10:47 AM (Wy1BU)

231 A bit less romantic tale than GWTW

The book obviously records more character development of the 2 romantic leads than a 3 hour movie could allow. I don't know what the average reader of 1936 thought about Scarlett and Rhett, but this 21c reader saw them both as narcissists except Rhett had a serious sociopathic/sadistic streak. Which was pretty much missing from the movie because Clark Gable wasn't allowed to ever be a total shitheel in character.

I was really surprised that 100 pages into the book, I was totally captivated. Margaret Mitchell is a great writer. She only wrote one book, and it made a global impact that resonates to this day. Its listing on Goodreads has over 20,000 reviews attached.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 10:48 AM (ymi5a)

232 Q: What did he doe say when she came out of the woods?

A: Last time I'll do that for two bucks!

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at November 27, 2022 10:48 AM (DhOHl)

233 I can't remember!!!!! What was the title? I've gotten plenty of stuff by mail lately. Somethings just, Poof! and disappear.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 10:18 AM (Angsy)

Hardbound, 3 novels in one book. The envelope wouldubeen a brown paper recycled one from.target.
Oh found the tracking number - says it was just delivered yesterday afternoon around 5pm

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 27, 2022 10:49 AM (Kd4bG)

234 I was really surprised that 100 pages into the book, I was totally captivated. Margaret Mitchell is a great writer. She only wrote one book, and it made a global impact that resonates to this day. Its listing on Goodreads has over 20,000 reviews attached.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 10:48 AM (ymi5a)
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My grandmother kept that book on her nightstand. Her go-to reading material.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:50 AM (llXky)

235 Dibs on your old issues of Playboy!!
Posted by: Tonypete

LOL

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 27, 2022 10:50 AM (Kd4bG)

236 Well, hell. I took an unplanned vacation day on Wednesday, knowing full well that I should just stick around the office and get some work done, but I REALLY wanted to get out of there. Now it's time to pay the piper. After I finish this coffee. And read just a couple more posts. And maybe I should eat something before heading in. And...

Posted by: PabloD at November 27, 2022 10:50 AM (SZfqZ)

237 205 by far it was the most consequential event in our history. Even in the 1980s people would think of themselves down deep as Yankees or Rebs. Regardless of that, no other event made a similar mark; not the Revolution, not World War Two.

Today history is being erased. Historians admitted that even decades ago they stopped teaching about the Civil War in high school and college. Most only take survey courses. Those courses teach the lead up to the war, and then pick back up at Reconstruction.

Some leftists in academia argue that battles and such are meaningless. They will argue social trends are what matters. The funny thing was the population that lived the war cared about battles only. Social trends were a result of battles, it was what happened on the battlefield that mattered.

Posted by: Quint at November 27, 2022 10:50 AM (Q1H2C)

238 Between the lead drinking cups and asbestos napkins it's surprising that humanity has survived at all.

Posted by: fd at November 27, 2022 10:51 AM (sn5EN)

239 Skip: I think you bought the wrong Camp of the Saints. The Camp of the Saints by Raspail is the one that comes up in conversation. I say this because I got all excited about being able to buy it for a mere 99cents and then...

Posted by: who knew at November 27, 2022 10:52 AM (4I7VG)

240 Comfort reading: the Matt Helm series, the Liturgical Mystery series, the MASH series (especially MASH Goes to Maine and MASH Mania), original Conan stories, the Lensman and Skylark books by 'Doc' Smith.

Tolkien and CS Lewis are wonderful, educational on many levels, and pleasant reading and I go back to them all the time. But they aren't my comfort reading.

Posted by: JTB at November 27, 2022 10:52 AM (7EjX1)

241 * Between the lead drinking cups and asbestos napkins it's surprising that humanity has survived at all.*

It could suck the life out of you.

Posted by: Leeches at November 27, 2022 10:52 AM (DhOHl)

242 @209 BurtTC-I actually felt sorry for you reading your predicament with your wife until I read this comment. Pretty clueless. Maybe if you wanted to hang around the boys and do more man stuff, maybe she wouldn’t have done what she did. Because men do not want to hang around women but want to have sex with them doesn’t mean they hate women. That’s dumb ass feminist BS right there. I like being solitary doing the things I like to do or do stuff with male friends. There’s shit I do that women ain’t interested in or can’t keep up. But hey, maybe that makes me a fag.

Posted by: JROD (Rick Perry/Scott Walker) at November 27, 2022 10:54 AM (AtoNk)

243 " How many early pioneers simply headed west and then stopped when they found a good place to set up a homestead? "

Or encountered unplanned events. My mother's family ended up in Southern Arkansas because two brothers were on the way to CA when they discovered that one of them's wife was pregnant, and they wouldn't make it over the Sierras before winter caught them. One stayed, and the other went on.

Posted by: SDN at November 27, 2022 10:54 AM (roWCJ)

244 >>>I look at that picture of hellary in college and wonder if she smelled really good, or walked sexy,
or kept her mouth shut (mosttly). What was it?

>Youth and hormones. I admit I may have tapped that but it was because of youth. But once. Back then there was no social media or cell phones. She probably had a bush that made her buy panties one size larger.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 27, 2022 10:54 AM (geVLo)

245 220. Of course he did, and Fitzgerald did the same, as did Hemingway, Wolfe and many others before and since. I find the controversy around this to be astonishing, especially in the case of The Sun Also Rises. The people who have complained that Hemingway "misrepresented" them and that his version was not true seem to ignore that he wrote a fictionalized version of events in his life that included them. He had to make the point by reminding Harold Loeb, that while he based Jake on himself that his penis wasn't blown off in WWI and that he was married at the time the book covered. It was fiction and not biography.

I found Ginevra King's family's recent suggestions to be of this "bitch but make money on the fact" style.

I wonder if this desire to be mortally wounded by a likeness to a fictional character is more or less prevalent now.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 10:54 AM (Zzbjj)

246 238 Between the lead drinking cups and asbestos napkins it's surprising that humanity has survived at all.
Posted by: fd at November 27, 2022 10:51 AM (sn5EN)

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Imagine how much worse it would have been if they had RoundUp.

Posted by: Bubba Clinton at November 27, 2022 10:54 AM (Qzn2/)

247 Between the lead drinking cups and asbestos napkins it's surprising that humanity has survived at all.
Posted by: fd at November 27, 2022 10:51 AM (sn5EN)

Not to mention volcanos. Those damned pesky volcanos.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 10:55 AM (NWBBy)

248 I'm impressed with Jay by just seeing the book cover. Well done young man. I see a bright future from just this glimpse.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2022 10:55 AM (OznTU)

249 This is kind of F. Scott Fitzgeraldy. When I Get Low, I Get High.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=acb-js00c40

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at November 27, 2022 10:56 AM (FVME7)

250 Between the lead drinking cups and asbestos napkins it's surprising that humanity has survived at all.
Posted by: fd at November 27, 2022 10:51 AM (sn5EN)

Don't forget the haberdashers and their love of mercury.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2022 10:56 AM (OznTU)

251 BurtTC-I actually felt sorry for you reading your predicament with your wife until I read this comment. Pretty clueless....
Posted by: JROD (Rick Perry/Scott Walker) at November 27, 2022 10:54 AM (AtoNk)

Blah blah blah.

Boring.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 10:57 AM (NWBBy)

252 Or encountered unplanned events. My mother's family ended up in Southern Arkansas because two brothers were on the way to CA when they discovered that one of them's wife was pregnant, and they wouldn't make it over the Sierras before winter caught them. One stayed, and the other went on.
Posted by: SDN at November 27, 2022 10:54 AM (roWCJ

The Arkansas family won. 😀

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2022 10:57 AM (OznTU)

253 I seem to always think of the pioneers when traveling. Saw some pretty spots in UT that I would have stopped at. I try to figure out if you could still make a living on a section of land here. Likely not.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 27, 2022 10:57 AM (uz3Px)

254 Re: Camp of the Saints - yeah, the one on sale for 99 cents on Kindle is NOT the one to which I referred above.

Posted by: PabloD at November 27, 2022 10:58 AM (SZfqZ)

255 Ooh, I almost forgot to share the best bit of news I could share with the book thread: Well, okay, second best type of news, I didn't write a book, but I did build a shelf. (With the help of my Dad, his tools and his garage.) So my townhome now has 10 linear feet of brand new, pristine, unspoiled shelf space! Plus another 2 linear feet of display space on top of the shelf. Ah, it's going to be so stock the shelf for the first time. Reference/picture books, comic book omnibuses, my Great Courses cd cases... It'll be a blast!

Plus, it'll be nice to longer have stacks of books on my tables and such. Finally, I'll be able to use my tables again without moving things...

Posted by: Castle Guy at November 27, 2022 10:58 AM (Lhaco)

256 After a moment of reflection, she realized she was tired of it, and grew her hair out, got married and had kids. She described it as escaping a cult.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd

Been there, done that.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 27, 2022 10:58 AM (OX9vb)

257 Quint @ 237-
I graduated HS 1967 in S.C. and got a pretty good education. Grades 7-9 had more history content than most 4 year colleges today. It's still in my head and nobody can take it away. History happened. It can't be changed, only erased, and only fools try to.

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 10:59 AM (z3WCn)

258 You wanna talk about Hellary's bush?

Posted by: Betty White's muffin at November 27, 2022 10:59 AM (DhOHl)

259 Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 10:59 AM (z3WCn)

Do they even reach Civics anymore?

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2022 11:00 AM (OznTU)

260 Speaking of letters, a while back I read The Letters of E. B. White and loved it. Highly recommended

Posted by: who knew at November 27, 2022 11:00 AM (4I7VG)

261 JROD, that was pretty unnecessary.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 11:01 AM (Y+l9t)

262 I have these books in search of a new home and I was wondering if I should let the horde get first dibs, at least on out of print stuff?

vmom, are you still here? I vote YES

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 11:01 AM (ymi5a)

263 174 I resemble that remark. . Dollar is a great teacher period!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damnit! at November 27, 2022 11:01 AM (QzPUP)

264 Hardbound, 3 novels in one book. The envelope wouldubeen a brown paper recycled one from.target.
Oh found the tracking number - says it was just delivered yesterday afternoon around 5pm

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 27, 2022 10:49 AM (Kd4bG)

Thanks, I didn't check the mail yesterday. I only look three times a week. Too much junk.

Well, busy day. Might be back for the gun thread.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 27, 2022 11:01 AM (Angsy)

265 I seem to always think of the pioneers when traveling. Saw some pretty spots in UT that I would have stopped at. I try to figure out if you could still make a living on a section of land here. Likely not.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 27, 2022 10:57 AM (uz3Px)

It's obviously a major concern for many communities. Whatever was sustainable about this place when it was founded, or whatever it survived through in the years since, many places just don't have anything going for them now. They are shells of their former greatness, and the people who linger are often just hanging on. Poorly.

It's somewhat depressing at times to travel through these places, knowing their are lives being used up. I mean, who am I to say what anyone else is doing with their lives, but we know the kinds of social ills that exist, and it's not getting better.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:01 AM (NWBBy)

266 Well for a buck stuck with it now, will report when done, hopefully by Christmas

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 27, 2022 11:01 AM (xhxe8)

267 Teach = reach . One day I will learn to proofread autocorrect.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2022 11:02 AM (OznTU)

268 Some leftists in academia argue that battles and such are meaningless. They will argue social trends are what matters. The funny thing was the population that lived the war cared about battles only. Social trends were a result of battles, it was what happened on the battlefield that mattered.

I think there is merit to the lefty position, but they always discredit themselves by dragging their politics in, so that history becomes merely bias and opinion. I don't think that social trends are the result of battles, I think they're usually the driver. At least with a battle, there are quantifiables, starting with who won and who lost.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 11:02 AM (eOEVl)

269 217
After a moment of reflection, she realized she was tired of it, and grew her hair out, got married and had kids. She described it as escaping a cult.

And I'm sure she posted that article anonymously because Al Gayeda does not tolerate heresy or people leaving of their own free will.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 27, 2022 11:02 AM (Z7Jj3)

270 He had to make the point by reminding Harold Loeb, that while he based Jake on himself that his penis wasn't blown off in WWI and that he was married at the time the book covered.
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Just like Rock Hudson!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 11:02 AM (Vwz3I)

271 There’s shit I do that women ain’t interested in or can’t keep up.
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Sheesh. God Save the Mark for the return fire. Gaaah, I really despise girls like pink and boys like blue nonsense.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 27, 2022 11:03 AM (MIKMs)

272 Route 66 has made a nostalgia comeback this past couple of decades.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2022 11:03 AM (OznTU)

273 They are shells of their former greatness, and the people who linger are often just hanging on. Poorly.

It's somewhat depressing at times to travel through these places, knowing their are lives being used up. I mean, who am I to say what anyone else is doing with their lives, but we know the kinds of social ills that exist, and it's not getting better.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:01 AM (NWBBy)

The rust belt comes to mind. A lot of Michigan is ripe for stories of decay to appear. I'm not sure younger people realize what we lost/threw away as a nation.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:04 AM (Zzbjj)

274 I found Ginevra King's family's recent suggestions to be of this "bitch but make money on the fact" style.

I wonder if this desire to be mortally wounded by a likeness to a fictional character is more or less prevalent now.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 10:54 AM (Zzbjj)
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Hemingway and Fitzgerald are somewhat unique in that they lived in such literary circles that people could puzzle out the source material. Usually, it's harder to do.

Contrast them with Pat Conroy, who strip-mined his family for book ideas to the point that they refused to talk to him because they were tired of seeing lurid versions of their personal conversations on the best-seller rack.

In this case, yeah, it's a lame cash grab. The idea is the least important part of the book. Execution is what counts.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:05 AM (llXky)

275 Camp of the Saints...wow what a vision/idea and to put ink to paper...but Humanity is going to do Humanity ...

Posted by: Qmark at November 27, 2022 11:06 AM (ttO/Q)

276 Do they even reach Civics anymore?
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About as often as Geography.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 27, 2022 11:07 AM (MIKMs)

277 And I'm sure she posted that article anonymously because Al Gayeda does not tolerate heresy or people leaving of their own free will.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 27, 2022 11:02 AM (Z7Jj3)
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No, she wrote under her own name. The ability to cancel is limited if you don't use social media and are stay-at-home mom whose husband works in the trades.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:07 AM (llXky)

278 Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:01 AM (NWBBy)

The rust belt comes to mind. A lot of Michigan is ripe for stories of decay to appear. I'm not sure younger people realize what we lost/threw away as a nation.
Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:04 AM (Zzbjj)

Last year I drove an alternate route from Colorado to Missouri, and was struck by the desolation in the towns we passed through in Kansas, which were a fairly stark contrast to the same size towns in Missouri.

I don't understand why, but something was different.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:07 AM (NWBBy)

279 polynikes, I don't believe civics is taught anymore because people are less civilized. Or would that be manners/ethics/morals?

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 11:08 AM (z3WCn)

280 somewhat depressing at times to travel through these places, knowing their are lives being used up. I mean, who am I to say what anyone else is doing with their lives, but we know the kinds of social ills that exist, and it's not getting better.
Posted by: BurtTC

The rust belt comes to mind. A lot of Michigan is ripe for stories of decay to appear. I'm not sure younger people realize what we lost/threw away as a nation.
Posted by CN
There is also the contrast of places that died due to economic conditions and those that did it to themselves like LA or Portland.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 11:08 AM (Y+l9t)

281 205 by far it was the most consequential event in our history. Even in the 1980s people would think of themselves down deep as Yankees or Rebs. Regardless of that, no other event made a similar mark; not the Revolution, not World War Two.

Today history is being erased. Historians admitted that even decades ago they stopped teaching about the Civil War in high school and college.

what struck me the most about reading GWTW was the recounting of what the conquered South experienced during Reconstruction. My only knowledge of that moment in history came from 5th grade teacher, a Catholic nun, who taught us about Carpetbaggers. She didn't teach us what they did or how they acted, just that they didn't belong in the South and it was a question on our final exam. That was it.

So now I want to get The Tragic Era, written in 1929, about events in postwar Southern States.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 11:08 AM (ymi5a)

282 In this case, yeah, it's a lame cash grab. The idea is the least important part of the book. Execution is what counts.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:05 AM (llXky)

Wolfe was honest about mining his family's lives for material. Max Perkins had to make him change the first names in Look Homeward Angel. He apparently changed enough in his characterizations that he remained on good terms with his family.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:09 AM (Zzbjj)

283 @261 Sharon(willow's apprentice)Right, about as unnecessary as saying men that don't hang around women continuously but want to have sex with them hate women. There's nothing wrong in suggesting having hobbies or doing shit with your male friends.

Posted by: JROD (Rick Perry/Scott Walker 2024) at November 27, 2022 11:09 AM (IlL6s)

284 Do they even reach Civics anymore?
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About as often as Geography.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 27, 2022 11:07 AM (MIKMs)

I had a Civic. Six speed manual, turbo engine... Loved that car, until somebody smushed it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:10 AM (NWBBy)

285 Pat Conroy wrote some good books though. The Great Santini is one of the rare movies that did justice to the book. Probably just because of Robert Duvall . Lords of Discipline was one of my favorite books. The movie blew.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2022 11:11 AM (OznTU)

286 253 - Notsothoreau - we do quite a bit of US traveling on highways and roads off the main interstates and highways.
I have a running "Nehemia and Virginity go west in their covered wagon" verbal story and add to it almost every day we travel.

Posted by: SnailRacer at November 27, 2022 11:12 AM (6hEKs)

287 277 No, she wrote under her own name. The ability to cancel is limited if you don't use social media and are stay-at-home mom whose husband works in the trades.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:07 AM (llXky)

Excellent. The ability to not care about the screechers is a valuable skill that needs to be taught to everyone.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 27, 2022 11:12 AM (Z7Jj3)

288 "About as often as Geography."

Geo was the same as a Corolla.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at November 27, 2022 11:12 AM (DhOHl)

289 just now saw andycanuck's ID_IA kerfluffle.

It's OK, andy, some of us Eastcoasters aren't really sure of the difference, you know, anything west of the Mississippi is just no man's land.

If you can get yourself down here to PA some day, we'll set off on a trip to explore the wild frontier and gits us some firsthand IDaho and IowA knowledge.

*smile*

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 11:12 AM (ymi5a)

290 There is also the contrast of places that died due to economic conditions and those that did it to themselves like LA or Portland.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 11:08 AM (Y+l9t)

I'm not a writer, but I'd love to see some books or stories dealing with the people suffering both sorts of decline. I keep in touch with Michigan friends who tell me about it, and I see it here in NJ. My kids, late 30s and 40, seem oblivious to the fact that we used to be an industrial nation.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:12 AM (Zzbjj)

291 Wolfe was honest about mining his family's lives for material. Max Perkins had to make him change the first names in Look Homeward Angel. He apparently changed enough in his characterizations that he remained on good terms with his family.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:09 AM (Zzbjj)
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The only person who stood by Conroy was his father, who he utterly trashed in The Great Santini. In The Death of Santini, Conroy talks about his life after that book was published and that far from being angry, his father basked in the attention.

He would go to book signings and write "the lovable, cuddly Santini" with his autograph. Pat was pissed that the line for Santini was always longer than for him, but his dad was a full colonel, veteran of WW II, Korea and Nam. Pat just wrote books.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:13 AM (llXky)

292 I was going to apologize for the fake book review. It passed unnoticed as such in lasst week's thread, but it turns out thatPerfessor's rre-postt generated some good discussion of the themes of the Great Migration West- dreams, yearning, the appeal of the great unknown, perseverance, failure, etc. Part of the heart and soul of the American spirit, at least equal to the original 13 colonies and Liberty.

And it had a literary tie-in, as I used James McMurtry's song Levelland as the outline for the bogus review. I view that song as a cynically nostalgic counterpoint to his father's idealized and romantic nostalgia of Lonesome Dove.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 27, 2022 11:13 AM (ykeLU)

293 My favorite novels are Lonesome Dove and The Killer Angels.

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Two of my favorites.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at November 27, 2022 11:14 AM (FVME7)

294 285 Pat Conroy wrote some good books though. The Great Santini is one of the rare movies that did justice to the book. Probably just because of Robert Duvall .

I read a story about a Marine in the Air Wing who was tasked with showing Robert around in a plane. Robert's hands reached for the ejection seat controls and the Marine stopped him. The PAO that was there was berating him only to have Robert hold up a hand and say "This young man stopped me from doing something stupid and killing us all. Please step back and let him do his job."

Posted by: NR Pax at November 27, 2022 11:14 AM (Z7Jj3)

295 There is also the contrast of places that died due to economic conditions and those that did it to themselves like LA or Portland.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 11:08 AM (Y+l9t)

I'm not a writer, but I'd love to see some books or stories dealing with the people suffering both sorts of decline. I keep in touch with Michigan friends who tell me about it, and I see it here in NJ. My kids, late 30s and 40, seem oblivious to the fact that we used to be an industrial nation.
Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:12 AM (Zzbjj)

One of the major concerns at this point is there are "planners" who have ideas how to transform all of this. The big cities and small.

Some obviously have the notion that all those people don't need to exist anymore.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:15 AM (NWBBy)

296 I'm not a writer, but I'd love to see some books or stories dealing with the people suffering both sorts of decline. I keep in touch with Michigan friends who tell me about it, and I see it here in NJ. My kids, late 30s and 40, seem oblivious to the fact that we used to be an industrial nation.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:12 AM (Zzbjj)
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Don't look at me, I find the world too depressing. I'm in total avoidance mode regarding the news. My focus is entirely on spending time with family, doing repair projects and so on.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:15 AM (llXky)

297 Do they even reach Civics anymore?

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Well, they definitely don't teach civility.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at November 27, 2022 11:16 AM (FVME7)

298 JROD, that would have been fine if you hadn't made it personal. That part was nasty and unnecessary to make your point. And your response to me is more of the same. You don't know Burt and you don't know me.
Feel free to make your point but no need to criticize others about stuff you no nothing about.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 11:16 AM (Y+l9t)

299 "About as often as Geography."
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But I'm a foreigner!

And only ONE coffee!

Oh.

That wasn't aimed at me. Never mind.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 11:17 AM (Vwz3I)

300 He would go to book signings and write "the lovable, cuddly Santini" with his autograph. Pat was pissed that the line for Santini was always longer than for him, but his dad was a full colonel, veteran of WW II, Korea and Nam. Pat just wrote books.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:13 AM (llXky)

Good for Col. Conroy! Seems a resilient guy.

In the case of Hemingway in particular, the people who bitched about The Sun Also Rises, brought up the topic al by themselves and did so throughout their lives. It was still their claim to fame. Who would have heard of Duff Twysden without that book?

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:17 AM (Zzbjj)

301 "Do they even reach Civics anymore?
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About as often as Geography."
C'mon now Mustbequantum, I think Andycanuck has been picked on enough.

Posted by: who knew at November 27, 2022 11:18 AM (4I7VG)

302 And it had a literary tie-in, as I used James McMurtry's song Levelland as the outline for the bogus review. I view that song as a cynically nostalgic counterpoint to his father's idealized and romantic nostalgia of Lonesome Dove.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 27, 2022 11:13 AM (ykeLU)

I read it, but have no knowledge of the source, so didn't know if it was a real poem/song or something you created.

Either way, it captured the spirit well enough, the challenges most of us never had to contemplate, when we "settled" wherever we did.

For me, I almost can't believe I'm picking and and replanting elsewhere, again. I just know I can do it, because I did it before. And I know I "need" to now.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:19 AM (NWBBy)

303
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 10:46 AM (llXky)

____________

Someone recommended Hugh Thomas's history of the Spanish Civil War. What say you?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 27, 2022 11:19 AM (MoZTd)

304 Pat Conroy wrote some good books though. The Great Santini is one of the rare movies that did justice to the book. Probably just because of Robert Duvall . Lords of Discipline was one of my favorite books. The movie blew.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2022 11:11 AM (OznTU)
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His dad loved Duvall's portrayal of him. Loved the whole funeral thing. When he was dying, he kept telling everyone "look, I've already had a funeral, do it just like the other one."

Conroy had writing talent, but he was a terrible human being who blamed all of his life's mistakes on his father. He was at least honest enough to admit that in The Death of Santini.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:20 AM (llXky)

305 Some obviously have the notion that all those people don't need to exist anymore.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:15 AM (NWBBy)

WEF, Bill Kristol, Gates and Yuval Harari jump to mind. They'd like to see people here and elsewhere living at their place of work, like some Chinese, and convert the world to a sort of Upstairs, Downstairs place for themselves.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:20 AM (Zzbjj)

306 My question is where is Levelland?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 11:20 AM (Y+l9t)

307 *One of the major concerns at this point is there are "planners" who have ideas how to transform all of this. The big cities and small.*

I used to be a thing.

Posted by: Shopping malls at November 27, 2022 11:20 AM (DhOHl)

308 Some leftists in academia argue that battles and such are meaningless. They will argue social trends are what matters.

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Completely irrelevant whether D Day succeeded or not.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at November 27, 2022 11:21 AM (FVME7)

309 Oh well, have to get ready for church.

The Mass Nazi is breathing down my neck over here.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 11:21 AM (ymi5a)

310 The Doc Ford series of books by Randy Wayne White. The first in the series is Sanibel Flats. Ford is a marine biologist and is known as a man that can fix "social problems". He supplies university labs with various small marine life for experiments but his real job is with the US government as an assassin.

The novels are a mix of Florida history and action/adventure. The characters are compelling and the setting is mostly SW Florida.

Of course, Sanibel Island has recently been scoured by hurricane Ian so the non-fictional places are no more.

Posted by: Yawrate at November 27, 2022 11:21 AM (p+dxb)

311 Someone recommended Hugh Thomas's history of the Spanish Civil War. What say you?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 27, 2022 11:19 AM (MoZTd)
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It's generally the most comprehensive, but is very, very, very detailed. Thomas did a revised edition where he corrected a lot of bias, but he's still obviously pro-Republic. I found some of his mistakes when writing Long Live Death, which was cool.

A shorter, better version is Stanley G. Payne's book on the topic. Not as detailed, but it hits the high points.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:22 AM (llXky)

312 Thank you, kallisto.

I've even been to Pennsylvania [Gettysburg] so I know where it is at least.

And my U.S. relatives I visited were in Charleston [so I've seen Ft Sumter], San Antonio [so I've seen the Alamo too], and Charlotte.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 11:22 AM (Vwz3I)

313 John case is actually james hougan who wrote some of the more interesting explorations of the deep stare spooks anx later deep agenda about watergte

Posted by: No 6 at November 27, 2022 11:22 AM (PXvVL)

314 JROD, that would have been fine if you hadn't made it personal. That part was nasty and unnecessary to make your point. And your response to me is more of the same. You don't know Burt and you don't know me.
Feel free to make your point but no need to criticize others about stuff you no nothing about.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 11:16 AM (Y+l9t)

Many of us do it at times, we see something written here, and we make it personal, because it hits a nerve.

I think I made a generalized comment about the sexes, and sometimes I use words like "some," and others see it as "all." Or they just assume it applies to them, when it doesn't.

Bottom line though, as you say, we often don't really know the others posting here, and it's probably safer and wiser and kinder to not make assumptions. I know I've been guilty of that, many times.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:23 AM (NWBBy)

315
Re-read Morris West's The Shoes of the Fisherman recently. It's remarkable that it's so good and his other two Vatican-related novels are so bad.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 27, 2022 11:23 AM (MoZTd)

316 @260 Sharon (willow’s apprentice)-he aired out his situation yesterday on a public forum and I read it. Terrible what happened but reading the comments I just read, well maybe the problem is obvious. Not being honest and truthful doesn’t do a lick of good and the comment he made was revealing. I commented on a ridiculous comment.

Posted by: JROD (Rick Perry/Scott Walker) at November 27, 2022 11:23 AM (AtoNk)

317 "I think the word Denver is early pioneer for "f#$k that".

It's a plot point in the TV series 1883. After much suffering and unexpected delays, and the fear of getting caught in the mountains in winter, the temptation is to drop your bags and say enough.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 27, 2022 11:24 AM (SJsWC)

318 Oh well, have to get ready for church.

The Mass Nazi is breathing down my neck over here.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 11:21 AM (ymi5a)
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Yeah, I let the 11 o'clock go by, so I'm going to have to do the noon Mass. I don't like that one - going downtown is a pain and the residual hippies at St. John applaud at the end, which I find grating.

I'm pretty sure parking will be easier with all the students gone, so there's that.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:24 AM (llXky)

319 Don't look at me, I find the world too depressing. I'm in total avoidance mode regarding the news. My focus is entirely on spending time with family, doing repair projects and so on.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:15 AM (llXky)

Darn. No, I didn't really think you would, as I think a retrospective book would have to be written by someone who could truly recall the 60s at least, or was familiar enough with the grief that accompanied the de-industrialization and the scorn felt toward factory workers' lives.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:24 AM (Zzbjj)

320 Bottom line though, as you say, we often don't really know the others posting here, and it's probably safer and wiser and kinder to not make assumptions. I know I've been guilty of that, many times.

That's very true, however in this case, the offender is a serial offender who brings nothing to any discussion. IMHO, he should be banned. I'm tired of his antics.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 11:24 AM (eOEVl)

321 If nothing else, Europe is living a invasion they never have seen before seeking up in their midst

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 27, 2022 11:24 AM (xhxe8)

322 " How many early pioneers simply headed west and then stopped when they found a good place to set up a homestead? "
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They pretty much walked from the Missouri river heading to California, via the Great Salt Lake or the Rockies?. Ask the Donners. I think it would be pretty easy to under estimate how far that is and to pull up somewhere nice. Tough people.

Posted by: dartist at November 27, 2022 11:26 AM (9X/y4)

323 His dad loved Duvall's portrayal of him. Loved the whole funeral thing. When he was dying, he kept telling everyone "look, I've already had a funeral, do it just like the other one."

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I don't know whether it was a conscious decision but it is an example of choosing to either be insulted or complimented.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at November 27, 2022 11:26 AM (FVME7)

324
Oh well, have to get ready for church.
The Mass Nazi is breathing down my neck over here.
Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 11:21 AM (ymi5a)

__________

I go to the 7:00 AM, with the Rosary at 6:30, for which I get up at 4:15. The rest of the day is free. Also, I do the Eucharistic fast from midnight.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 27, 2022 11:26 AM (MoZTd)

325 My question is where is Levelland?

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West Texas, not too far from Lubbock. It's a real place. The song describes it well.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 27, 2022 11:26 AM (ykeLU)

326 I've even been to Pennsylvania [Gettysburg] so I know where it is at least.

And my U.S. relatives I visited were in Charleston [so I've seen Ft Sumter], San Antonio [so I've seen the Alamo too], and Charlotte.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 11:22 AM (Vwz3I)

I live about 90 mins from Gettysburg, have family there, and have never been. And never to the other places you've mentioned, so you're 4 up on me.

But I've been to Niagara Falls about ten times due to visiting family in St. Catharines.

And now I'm really going!

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2022 11:26 AM (ymi5a)

327 C'mon now Mustbequantum, I think Andycanuck has been picked on enough.
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Thank you!

I don't get no respect. [tugs at tie]

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 11:27 AM (Vwz3I)

328 Morning, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 27, 2022 11:27 AM (MK59S)

329 Many of us do it at times, we see something written here, and we make it personal, because it hits a nerve.

Bottom line though, as you say, we often don't really know the others posting here, and it's probably safer and wiser and kinder to not make assumptions. I know I've been guilty of that, many times.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:23 AM (NWBBy)

Can't argue with this. I've been tempted on many occasions to return fire, but I snap out of it and realize that the posters, 100% of them, have never met me. One can engage in a discussion without adopting the "you asshole" approach.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:28 AM (Zzbjj)

330 Some obviously have the notion that all those people don't need to exist anymore.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:15 AM (NWBBy)

WEF, Bill Kristol, Gates and Yuval Harari jump to mind. They'd like to see people here and elsewhere living at their place of work, like some Chinese, and convert the world to a sort of Upstairs, Downstairs place for themselves.
Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:20 AM (Zzbjj)

The plan seems to involve "saving the planet," and we're not yet into the full on "kill those useless humans" phase of whatever they have planned. But that seems to be part of the plan. One way or another.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:28 AM (NWBBy)

331 The rain hath begun here....(that's my Mike Tyson impersonation)

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 11:29 AM (T4tVD)

332 What does the F stand for in F. Scott Fitgerald ?

Fred ?

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 11:30 AM (T4tVD)

333 @314 BurtTC- Look partner, you are the one that painted with a broad brush about men that don’t feel it necessary to be clingy and needy of women. Absolutely ridiculous comment. Because I pointed out how absurd that is ain’t personal. Great, you prefer to hang around women 24/7. By your logic that makes it that you like women more than men out doing man shit with other men? (facepalm)

Posted by: JROD (Rick Perry/Scott Walker) at November 27, 2022 11:30 AM (AtoNk)

334 Perfesser-
please ban the troll.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 27, 2022 11:30 AM (eOEVl)

335 Hadrian 7-
Ditto on Shoes Of The Fisherman, I read it after visiting Rome and being blessed (along with about 10K other people) by Paul6.

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 11:30 AM (z3WCn)

336 I don't know whether it was a conscious decision but it is an example of choosing to either be insulted or complimented.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at November 27, 2022 11:26 AM (FVME7)
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He was proud of his son's success as a writer. He also pointed out that it was *fiction* so he didn't need to correct any of it.

He apparently was quite charming in person, and Conroy's subsequent books got increasingly overwrought, which lent credence to his father's claims his son was wildly exaggerating things.

None of his siblings backed up his version, either. His sister resented her parents but detested what Pat wrote about her and refused to speak with him.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:31 AM (llXky)

337 The plan seems to involve "saving the planet," and we're not yet into the full on "kill those useless humans" phase of whatever they have planned. But that seems to be part of the plan. One way or another.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:28 AM (NWBBy)

Harari is pretty specific. Useless eaters can be reduced by video game and drugs. I don't believe fentanyl is streaming over the border "despite our best efforts". In some interview, Jane Goodall, agreed that human population needed to decrease by about 90% to achieve "saving the planet".

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:32 AM (Zzbjj)

338
What does the F stand for in F. Scott Fitgerald ?

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Furnifold

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 27, 2022 11:32 AM (MoZTd)

339 332. Francis

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:32 AM (Zzbjj)

340 Re-read Follett's "Eye of the Needle". Excellent Mystery
Posted by: Jonah

I enjoyed several of his books.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at November 27, 2022 11:33 AM (FVME7)

341 Gettysburg is a great day or weekend sightseeing.
My sister and then even closer niece lives near there now.

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 27, 2022 11:33 AM (xhxe8)

342 Okay, time to go. Thanks again, Perfesser! This is my one window into the Horde for the time being.

Next week is my last drill, so I've got some mixed feelings for sure. At least I won't miss this thread because of it any more!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H Lloyd at November 27, 2022 11:35 AM (llXky)

343 I mentioned lawrence wrights version of crichtonesque apocalypse thr end of october which he must have thought covid would be the big thing if uou get all the way past the tds you discover the bug that kills about 100 million people was created by a fmr german cdc employee who is a skydragon worshiper

Posted by: No 6 at November 27, 2022 11:35 AM (PXvVL)

344 They pretty much walked from the Missouri river heading to California, via the Great Salt Lake or the Rockies?. Ask the Donners. I think it would be pretty easy to under estimate how far that is and to pull up somewhere nice. Tough people.
Posted by: dartist

My great grandfather did 4 wagon trips from the Leeville TN area to what is now Cutbank MT. The first as a drover at 17, the 4th when he moved his family there in 1900. My grandmother was 8 and she walked a significant part of the trip .

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at November 27, 2022 11:35 AM (LPLH0)

345 341 Gettysburg is a great day or weekend sightseeing.
My sister and then even closer niece lives near there now.
Posted by: Skip's phone at November 27, 2022 11:33 AM (xhxe

My older grandson's class recently had a two day trip there, and dad went with him. They enjoyed it a lot.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:36 AM (Zzbjj)

346 332. As above, Francis.

Reportedly, he was named for his distant cousin, the writer of the poem that became the lyrics to American national anthem.

Posted by: Lola at November 27, 2022 11:36 AM (NIYa7)

347 You mean Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald?

I'm here to help.

Posted by: Wikipedia at November 27, 2022 11:37 AM (DhOHl)

348 But I've been to Niagara Falls about ten times due to visiting family in St. Catharines.

And now I'm really going!
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The guided battlefield tour with a Park Ranger at Gettysburg is very good. It costs a minor fee but is worth it.

And I've been to Niagara Falls only four times so you beat me on that [grade school trip; Aussie tourist friends; a friend from a bar; and an 1812 reenactor friend, who was born in St Catharines, to hit Ft George and Ft Niagara, that I had also done with my Aussie friends].

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 11:38 AM (Vwz3I)

349 A.H. Lloyd @ 342-
Last drill? Did you get your full twenty, brother?

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 11:38 AM (z3WCn)

350 Hey JROD, let it go. No one's questioning your masculinity. You obviously are a big manly man as you have to keep telling us.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 11:38 AM (Y+l9t)

351 I commented on a ridiculous comment.
Posted by: JROD (Rick Perry/Scott Walker) at November 27, 2022 11:23 AM (AtoNk)

You were wrong, pal. You misread what I wrote, and took the wrong message from a comment that was a generalization about something else.

Sorry you're going through whatever you are, but your problem is not with what I wrote. Look in the mirror, buddy.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:38 AM (NWBBy)

352 If you're in the Gettysburg neighborhood, come pay me a visit.

Posted by: The Bloody Lane at Antietam at November 27, 2022 11:39 AM (DhOHl)

353
Reportedly, he was named for his distant cousin, the writer of the poem that became the lyrics to American national anthem.
Posted by: Lola at November 27, 2022 11:36 AM (NIYa7)

__________

Harrison Ruffin Tyler (born 192

is the last living grandson of President John Tyler (in office 1841-1845).

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 27, 2022 11:40 AM (MoZTd)

354 Apparently I need to put my phone down . My not quite 3 year old grandson has informed me that I am not doing Batman right so I have been demoted to Robin. I told him.green tights aren't really my thing. I was informed that was because I am old. I need to start giving that kid more credit

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at November 27, 2022 11:41 AM (LPLH0)

355 My great grandfather did 4 wagon trips from the Leeville TN area to what is now Cutbank MT. The first as a drover at 17, the 4th when he moved his family there in 1900. My grandmother was 8 and she walked a significant part of the trip .
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What stories they could tell. Awesome, thanks for that.

Posted by: dartist at November 27, 2022 11:42 AM (9X/y4)

356 Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:28 AM (NWBBy)

Harari is pretty specific. Useless eaters can be reduced by video game and drugs. I don't believe fentanyl is streaming over the border "despite our best efforts". In some interview, Jane Goodall, agreed that human population needed to decrease by about 90% to achieve "saving the planet".
Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:32 AM (Zzbjj)

What I fear is that they'll win. That no one is going to stop them, because they thought this out too well, but every now and then we DO get those who say the quiet parts out loud, and that makes me wonder if maybe hubris will cause them to show their hand before they're able to implement their final solution.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:42 AM (NWBBy)

357 Good morning, beautiful Sunday out here hope it's the same for y'all.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at November 27, 2022 11:43 AM (iEXgF)

358 @350 Sharon (willow's apprentice)-Yes THATS IT, YA GOT ME. Gotta flex my masculinity and be soooOOOooo manly. Literally what BurtTC did.> Men that don't desire to hang around women constantly=less manly.(facepalm....... again)

Posted by: JROD (Rick Perry/Scott Walker 2024) at November 27, 2022 11:43 AM (IlL6s)

359 Just two more weeks for my report, everyone. Totally serious this time.

Posted by: Durham at November 27, 2022 11:43 AM (ZC8hN)

360
If you're in the Gettysburg neighborhood, come pay me a visit.
Posted by: The Bloody Lane at Antietam at November 27, 2022 11:39 AM (DhOHl)

__________

I must have driven by Antietam battlefield a zillion times but always when I've had to get from A to B, so I've never visited.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 27, 2022 11:43 AM (MoZTd)

361 There, I let it go Sharon.......fire away.

Posted by: JROD (Rick Perry/Scott Walker 2024) at November 27, 2022 11:44 AM (IlL6s)

362 I'll have to keep a visit to Antietam in mind if I ever return to Gettysburg especially as I have an interest in Irish units in the ACW.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 11:44 AM (Vwz3I)

363 Heh. The Motel 6 here in Idaho Falls serves Community Coffee.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 27, 2022 11:44 AM (MK59S)

364 The guided battlefield tour with a Park Ranger at Gettysburg is very good. It costs a minor fee but is worth it.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 11:38 AM (Vwz3I)

Seconded.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:45 AM (NWBBy)

365 Hey, I can give you two battles for the price of one.

Posted by: Bull Run at November 27, 2022 11:46 AM (DhOHl)

366 The guided battlefield tour with a Park Ranger at Gettysburg is very good. It costs a minor fee but is worth it.

Posted by: andycanuck

Ya hafta give them a minor ?

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 11:46 AM (T4tVD)

367 BurtTC @ 356-
The non- thinking class is too dumb to realize 'final solution' means death. That's because they don't know history.

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 11:46 AM (z3WCn)

368 A trip to Gettysburg is a good idea. The park does a great job of interpreting what happened and why and how the terrain played a part. Seeing the place in person adds to the descriptions of the battle that are in print. (Shaara and Shelby Foote come to mind.)

If you are in the mood for eerie, walk through the Devil's Den. If there was ever a haunted place, that is it. I'm not especially sensitive to such things but that place gave me chills.

Posted by: JTB at November 27, 2022 11:47 AM (7EjX1)

369
What I fear is that they'll win. That no one is going to stop them, because they thought this out too well, but every now and then we DO get those who say the quiet parts out loud, and that makes me wonder if maybe hubris will cause them to show their hand before they're able to implement their final solution.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 27, 2022 11:42 AM (NWBBy)

It gets very little coverage. The media seem to think they are adequately "elite" to be included in the WEF plan. They need a French Revolution, and I do think they'll get one. Hunger and cold will not be tolerated because Zelensky is so great. If history books have taught us anything it's that "let them eat cake", or "make them eat bugs", become rallying cries against any aristocracy.

Posted by: CN at November 27, 2022 11:47 AM (Zzbjj)

370 It's a cook book!

Posted by: To Serve Man at November 27, 2022 11:47 AM (DhOHl)

371 Hey, I can give you two battles for the price of one.
Posted by: Bull Run at November 27, 2022 11:46 AM (DhOHl)

Manassas, you damned Yankee, you!

Posted by: And That's How The Fight Started, Again at November 27, 2022 11:48 AM (NWBBy)

372 AOP so everyone drinks from a big mug?

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 27, 2022 11:48 AM (xhxe8)

373 Ya hafta give them a minor ?
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Since Disney bought the tour rights!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 11:49 AM (Vwz3I)

374 Ha, Skip. No, it's a good brand of coffee made in New Orleans.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 27, 2022 11:51 AM (MK59S)

375 ||A statue of young Abraham Lincoln has been defaced with red paint and words referencing troubles with Native American tribes.

The statue has stood in Chicago’s Edgewater neighborhood since the city donated it to Senn Park in 1997.

And over Thanksgiving weekend residents around the park found the statue covered in splashes of red paint along with the words "COLONIZER" and "LAND BACK." The vandals also may have written "Dakota 38" in possible reference to 38 Dakota Sioux members executed on Lincoln’s order following the U.S.-Dakota war in 1862, the Chicago Tribune reported.||

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 11:52 AM (Vwz3I)

376
I started my revisitation of Tolkien's "The Hobbit", "The Fellowship of the Ring" and "The Two Towers" by listening to them as audiobooks. Halfway through "The Two Towers" I switched to reading the texts. In so doing, I noticed that the published text used only single quotation marks, ', rather than double quotation marks, ". The man apparently never used contracted words in his writing, a point of which I had previously been unaware.

Nothing profound here, mind you, but just an observation.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 27, 2022 11:52 AM (pNxlR)

377 Idaho Falls, I thought you might be in AZ. Pushing it a bit ey? May the snow fall behind you and the roads be dry.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at November 27, 2022 11:52 AM (iEXgF)

378 363 ... "The Motel 6 here in Idaho Falls serves Community Coffee."

AOP, Congrats. That is my favorite coffee brand. Drink up and be well for the rest of the drive.

Posted by: JTB at November 27, 2022 11:52 AM (7EjX1)

379 Jessica by The Allman Brothers. Play it, Duane and Dickie!

Posted by: Eromero at November 27, 2022 11:52 AM (z3WCn)

380 I knew there was a valid explanation

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 27, 2022 11:52 AM (xhxe8)

381 Raining her now. Have to get ready to go shoot guns.
Have a great week book friends. Will be out of the country next weekend with so so internet access so may not be here except in spirit. Hoping to have a few good reads to take with me.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 27, 2022 11:53 AM (Y+l9t)

382 I don't get no respect. [tugs at tie]
Posted by: andycanuck

******

If it's any consolation I have no idea how far it is to Saskatoon. And I don't know if Regina is pronounced Ruh-GEE-nuh or if it rhymes with vagina.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 27, 2022 11:54 AM (ykeLU)

383 Safe travels Sharon !

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 11:54 AM (T4tVD)

384
Ya hafta give them a minor ?
Posted by: JT

You ought to have socked that as "zombie Jeffrey Epstein"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at November 27, 2022 11:55 AM (pNxlR)

385 Ya hafta give them a minor ?
Posted by: JT

You ought to have socked that as "zombie Jeffrey Epstein"
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars

(I don't do socks....)

Posted by: JT at November 27, 2022 11:56 AM (T4tVD)

386 The man apparently never used contracted words in his writing, a point of which I had previously been unaware.

I can not see the problem here.

Posted by: Mattie Ross at November 27, 2022 11:58 AM (eOEVl)

387 Thanks, Muldoon. [starts to stifle tears]

And 'vagina' although it looks like the Latin word for queen is pronounced the 'geena' way.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 12:00 PM (Vwz3I)

388 377 ... "I started my revisitation of Tolkien's "The Hobbit", "The Fellowship of the Ring" and "The Two Towers" by listening to them as audiobooks. "

Which audio version of LOTR do you have? I have the Rob Inglish version, the BBC ensemble set and the recent Andy Serkis version. The Serkis reading is my favorite. Just ordered his reading of The Hobbit. This is all on CD, not streaming, which is not always easy to find. But I want to own the things, not have them at the whim of the company or my computer.

Posted by: JTB at November 27, 2022 12:01 PM (7EjX1)

389 See you later.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) cancel your NY Post at November 27, 2022 12:01 PM (Vwz3I)

390 WE HAZ A NOOD

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 27, 2022 12:02 PM (xhxe8)

391 353. Interesting! Thank you, Hadrian.

Posted by: Lola at November 27, 2022 12:02 PM (NIYa7)

392
I just started reading Fun With Dick and Jane and I can't wait to get two the ending.

Posted by: John Festterman at November 27, 2022 12:05 PM (y3pKJ)

393 Got my phone working. Off to the highway, now;

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 27, 2022 12:23 PM (MK59S)

394 354 Apparently I need to put my phone down . My not quite 3 year old grandson has informed me that I am not doing Batman right so I have been demoted to Robin. I told him.green tights aren't really my thing. I was informed that was because I am old. I need to start giving that kid more credit
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at November 27, 2022 11:41 AM (LPLH0)

Isn't Grandparenthood awesome. My almost 3 is currently learning the lyrics to We Wish you a Merry Christmas from a decoration. I've heard that song at least 50 times this morning but he almost has it down.
Later I will be hunting Zombies and bad guys with nerf dart guns with the two of them and getting in trouble for not doing it right.

Posted by: Reforger at November 27, 2022 12:51 PM (P0EoZ)

395 "60 It's a good book by a science fiction/fantasy master who isn't as well-known as he should be.
Posted by: Trimegistus at November 27, 2022 09:24 AM (QZxDR) (@52)
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I've loved Avram since kidhood for the short story "Hark! Was That the Squeal of an Angry Thoat?"
Eris @60.

In a world where literary excellence received its just reward Avram Davidson would have been a rich man and his works would be the subject of literary conferences and PhD thesis. In the world in which we actually live he died poor and obscure.

For anyone who wants to explore Davidson's work I would recommend "The Avram Davidson Treasury"; a posthumously published collection of his stories with tributes and reminisces by his friends and fellow authors. They include Harlan Ellison, Gene Wolfe, Ursula K. Le Guin and Robert Silverberg. It is available for Kindle. "Hark! Was That the Squeal of an Angry Thoat?" is included.

BTW, Eris, "Hark!..." was originally part of story series called "The Redward Edward Papers" which appear in the collection of that title (197

. According to Avram it was removed from that collection at the insistence of an editor. Why? She was an editor.

Posted by: John F. MacMichael at November 27, 2022 02:11 PM (DoysP)

396 The father of Master Jay Crowther should be very, very proud!!

Posted by: LASue at November 27, 2022 02:23 PM (Ed8Zd)

397 She threatened to do it, then she did. MiladyJo made Thanksgiving Leftovers Pizza.

Crust - stuffing and mashed potatoes with a little milk and oil added.
Turkey gravy with chopped onions and roasted turkey on top, with mozzarella.

The crust didn't hold together too well, so it was fork and knife dining, but mmmm it was good.

Posted by: mindful webworker - YouTube and I are not dating anymore at November 27, 2022 04:31 PM (jPu3+)

398 DDDDAAANNNKGGGGGIT! wrong thread

Posted by: mindful webworker - YouTube and I are not dating anymore at November 27, 2022 04:32 PM (jPu3+)

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