The McFailure Plan to Kneecap Trump [Dave in Fla]

Last Saturday, Rich Baris put out the following tweet, when the DeSanctimonius controversy started:

Last night, he further expanded on what is going on, while waiting for Arizona results that never came.

The "Plan" that was hatched by the McFailure wing of the GOP was to offer the nomination to DeSantis. The GOP would provide funding, support, and a clear path to the nomination. If DeSantis declined the offer, the second choice is Glenn Youngkin.

By not fighting for seats in the House and Senate, they wanted to reduce the number of MAGA Trump supporters in their chambers, and they assumed that the political environment of the moment would allow them to still gain both chambers, but blame the "disappointing" results on Trump.

What Trump has been doing with the personal insults to DeSantis and Youngkin, is to let them know that he will go after them personally if they accept the offer from Team McFailure. He wants them to remember what happened to "Low T", "Lying Ted", and "Little Marco".

I don't want to get into the Trump/DeSantis wars (though I know this is going to spark them). I tend to agree with Ace, I am worn out by Trump the Insult Attack Dog. But I think everyone should be aware of what is really going on, and not think that Trump has lost his mind.

[Edit - I am not saying that either DeSantis or Youngkin have accepted the offers]

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:55 AM

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1 T10!

Posted by: Weasel at November 12, 2022 07:56 AM (0IeYL)

2 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 12, 2022 07:58 AM (T4tVD)

3 Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at November 12, 2022 07:59 AM (T4tVD)

4 Whenever I see the name Baris, I think of Chuck Barris....

Posted by: JT at November 12, 2022 07:59 AM (T4tVD)

5 Hiya JT!

I KNEW that I hated the GOP for a reason!

Posted by: Weasel at November 12, 2022 08:00 AM (0IeYL)

6 Everyone who has been following Trump and the GOP for the last 6+ years pretty much knew what was going on.

Trump does not proactively go after Republicans, he's a counterpuncher. It was just a matter of time until the reason for the attacks came out.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:00 AM (ZLI7S)

7 Good Saturday morning, horde.

Thank you for this insight. As usual, They are manipulating us for their own ends.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at November 12, 2022 08:00 AM (OX9vb)

8 TRUMP SMASH!

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:00 AM (sn5EN)

9 Basically, they figured, that unlike The Tea Party movement, MAGA cannot be bought off, infiltrated or subsumed so it would be destroyed outright.

If only the GOP schemed and fought against the Democrats as hard as they fight against their so-called base, we would be in a better spot.

And this only adds to the thesis that the GOP, in the main, is an illegitimate political party and are not the solution to any of our problems and in fact are an impediment to solving them.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 08:01 AM (up/3i)

10 The AoS style guide calls for his married name Kevin McCarthy-Luntz.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 12, 2022 08:01 AM (EZebt)

11 We have been all thru this before. It's like the 5 stages of Trumpism.

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:01 AM (sn5EN)

12 The corrupt have glued themselves to the grift machine.

Posted by: Henry at November 12, 2022 08:01 AM (wiiNI)

13 Holy shit. You really don’t give a fuck about you an yours if you can really ride the SS Trump from this point.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 08:01 AM (fRwPn)

14 This sucks. Now we are going go after great guys like DeSantis and Youngkin. Desantis who produced 4 house flips? Two great pro lifers in swing states

I refuse to be a part of this. Baris is a great guy, but this is bullshit

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:02 AM (Cw0fX)

15 "I don't want to get into the Trump/DeSantis wars..."

... followed by 1500 comments of Trump DeSantis Wars.

But... hang now now... does that make Chuy Rey? Or Jake Skywalker?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 12, 2022 08:03 AM (6FeV1)

16 Lets fight the commies. Trump needs to do thing behind closed doors, like the evil Obama.

Deep state and GOPe want trump to lash out

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:03 AM (Cw0fX)

17 If DeSantis plays pattycake with McConnell, he is doomed.

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:04 AM (sn5EN)

18 They have succeeded. It's been clear for a while that voting doesn't matter anymore. As for Trump, I'm sure he is steaming mad, and on some level he knows it's over. I give him credit for trying to fight back, but it's pointless. I barely dragged myself to vote this year, because deep down I knew it really didn't matter. I believe our country as we once knew it is gone, and like many have said, clearly we cannot vote our way out of this.

Posted by: spypeach at November 12, 2022 08:04 AM (UuB/1)

19 Holy shit. You really don’t give a fuck about you an yours if you can really ride the SS Trump from this point.

Trump and MAGA is the UV flashlight light in the seedy hotel room.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 08:04 AM (3hSHB)

20 He has to check the ego.

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:04 AM (Cw0fX)

21 It figures the GOP would do this

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 12, 2022 08:04 AM (2xlV3)

22 13 Holy shit. You really don’t give a fuck about you an yours if you can really ride the SS Trump from this point.
Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 08:01 AM (fRwPn)

Holy shit. You're an idiot and an unperson if you don't think the way I think and have the priorities I have.

Get out of here with that crap.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 12, 2022 08:04 AM (6FeV1)

23
I have a theory that about half the voters in this country are low IQ cretins who love chaos. Fetterman? Who better?

Some of them went for Trump in 2016 because chaos. But it didn't happen, so they ignored him in 2020.

Just a theory except for the low IQ cretin part.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 12, 2022 08:05 AM (y3pKJ)

24 The GOP must be smashed. I only see one hammer.

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:05 AM (sn5EN)

25 Whos Todd Youngkin? Glenn Youngkin I know but not Todd. He might be better than Glenn.

Posted by: fred at November 12, 2022 08:05 AM (+p7xz)

26 DeSantis went after Disney. No way he cozies up to McConnell.

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:05 AM (Cw0fX)

27 Kevin's fav butt fuck is a HUGE proponent of rank choice voting

he said it"keeps all though nasty radicals out"

but keeps the squad

we have been had, boys

Posted by: REDACTED at November 12, 2022 08:06 AM (us2H3)

28 >>He has to check the ego.

God forbid there will be politics in politics.

Politicians have been fighting in public forever. It's not unique to Trump. Harris called Biden a racist and then became his VP.

Trump isn't going to stop being Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:06 AM (ZLI7S)

29 Oh those sneaky Gope boys!

Assheads.

More coffee...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 12, 2022 08:07 AM (R/m4+)

30 "If Voting Made Any Difference, They Wouldn’t Let Us Do It."

Posted by: John Whitehead at November 12, 2022 08:07 AM (DhOHl)

31 @23

>>Just a theory except for the low IQ cretin part.

I don't think voters matter much anymore, it's ballots and how many registered voters in a particular state or locale.

Issues, so-called candidate quality, results and performance, simply do not matter.

If the Donks have numerical superiority they can synthesize any result they want now.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 08:07 AM (up/3i)

32 Recommended AoS Style Guide update. The idiots that blew the largest political opportunity in our lifetimes are to be referred to as the McFailure Wing of the Party. [DiF]

And for brevity we can refer to the McShitShow as McGOP to be distinguished from GOPe and MAGA.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 08:07 AM (3hSHB)

33 If Trump, Youngkin, DeSantis, Lake, etc.. cannot get on the same page, we are doomed. all great. Time to fight the marxists and the GOPe, not each other

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:08 AM (Cw0fX)

34 One of the reasons the Nazis succeeded is they splintered their opponents, "divide and conquer."

If the Communists, Socialists, and Catholic Center had been united...

There were good reasons they weren't, but the reasons we are splintered is because they are splintering us.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 12, 2022 08:08 AM (EZebt)

35 Sorry, I generally like Baris, but he has a weakness when it comes to Trump. Not buying DeSantis playing along with Mitch and Paul Ryan. DeSantis was a freedom caucus guy long before Trump was in the picture. Not exactly GOPe.

Posted by: Tofer732 at November 12, 2022 08:08 AM (fatpD)

36 Who is "Todd Youngkin"?

Posted by: TimInVirginia at November 12, 2022 08:08 AM (tCT6J)

37 “Trump the Counter puncher” is cute this time.

Youngkin turned Virginia red. Not Trump. He’s said Jack-shut about trump. And trump decides to use schoolyard racist comments to attack him. Anyone who can double down on that will love it when he drops something worse on Winsome Sears.

I don’t think straight calling her the N-word could break the Trump milk-trance. The only thing that’s going to do that is when he rage-fucks the 2024 with a third-party spoiler run. And I’m sure he has a vase that will say “Trust the plan.”

I voted for him twice. I now hope the throws a clot. Fuck him.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 08:08 AM (fRwPn)

38 If AOS, becomes a Trump vs DeSantis blog for the next months, I am done.. Friendly Fire crap is bullshit

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:09 AM (Cw0fX)

39 Both parties hate Trump because he exposed their scam. I don't know anybody else who can and will stand up to both. So far everything they throw at DJT bounces off. Who else can do it? DeSantis? He's going to be a GOP guy and I will bet anybody here $100 that I will be proven correct.

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:09 AM (sn5EN)

40 Now do Jefferson and Adams.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at November 12, 2022 08:09 AM (DhOHl)

41 For the record, I am not on either side. I will happily vote for Trump or DeSantis.

But I am rooting for casualties in the GOP leadership.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 12, 2022 08:09 AM (5p7BC)

42 It's gone from
"That's NOT who we are!" to
"This is who we are and we are even more scummy than you could have ever imagined!"

Posted by: GOPe Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 08:09 AM (hOUT3)

43 I vote that we just skip the next 6yrs of elections and go straight to national divorce, it's where it's headed anyway. The other option is civil war.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 12, 2022 08:09 AM (BF0SU)

44 Our (Virginia) governor is Glenn Youngkin, not Todd.

Posted by: TimInVirginia at November 12, 2022 08:09 AM (tCT6J)

45 >>> I tend to agree with Ace, I am worn out by Trump the Insult Attack Dog.
~~~~~

This stuns me.

Corruption in every corner of our government, fraud filled elections, and back-stabbing by those who are "on our side," but I'm done with the one outsider who has tried to expose it all and who did more to help bring us back from the brink than anyone else in my lifetime.

Because he insults people.

People who have provably tried to destroy him.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 12, 2022 08:10 AM (3ImbR)

46 If only the GOP schemed and fought against the Democrats as hard as they fight against their so-called base, we would be in a better spot.

Bears repeating. Yeah, if only . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 12, 2022 08:10 AM (4I/2K)

47 I see someone feels the need to protect us from ourselves...

Posted by: gourmand du jour, thanks vets at November 12, 2022 08:10 AM (jTmQV)

48 >>Trump the Counter puncher” is cute this time.

What's really cute is the number of brand new commenters who just happened to appear here simultaneously to tell us that they have been longtime Trump supporters but now we must flip to DeSantis for reasons or we are doomed!

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:10 AM (ZLI7S)

49 If Oz, Masters, and Walker had won, this wouldn't even be a conversation. Trump would be a kingmaker, the guy who delivered the Senate, and still Top Dog.

But they didn't win, in significant part because Trump has no appeal (or rather, negative appeal) beyond the base.

It's simultaneously true that the Establishment is trying to take Trump out, and he needs to go so that a competent conservative like DeSanctimonious can take over.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:11 AM (/0Tm1)

50 Watched the Omen the other night, and figured if Damien was the leader of the Dems as a grownup, this is how he would have played it. Split the enemy in 2, and then cheat

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:11 AM (Cw0fX)

51 It's more fun if you have money riding on it. I'll bet $100 to Ace if DeSantis doesn't go the way of the Turtle.

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:11 AM (sn5EN)

52 Who is "Todd Youngkin"?
Posted by: TimInVirginia at November 12, 2022 08:08 AM (tCT6J)

Fucking Todd, eh?

Posted by: The Hanson Brothers at November 12, 2022 08:11 AM (4I/2K)

53 Walker has not lost yet. Hello, runoff

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:12 AM (Cw0fX)

54 >> If Oz, Masters, and Walker had won, this wouldn't even be a conversation. Trump would be a kingmaker, the guy who delivered the Senate, and still Top Dog.

>>But they didn't win, in significant part because Trump has no appeal (or rather, negative appeal) beyond the base.

So those were the only candidates Trump supported and they only lost because of Trump support? Does that mean O'Dea lost in Colorado because of DeSantis' support?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (ZLI7S)

55 the dims just defeated a heart surgeon with a guy that can't assemble a child's jig saw puzzle

why would they ever think they will lose an important election ?

Posted by: REDACTED at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (us2H3)

56 The beauty of their plan would also free Florida to get a New Democrat governor. Diabolical.
Do not fall for it.

Posted by: Chillin the most at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (0uQp2)

57 If the establishment GOP prefers DeSantis, they may be in for a big surprise should he win.

Posted by: Kaiju66 at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (OuFlM)

58 Yougkin won in a deep blue state, fights the marxists teachers. Now we are crapping him

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (Cw0fX)

59 What's really cute is the number of brand new commenters who just happened to appear here simultaneously to tell us that they have been longtime Trump supporters but now we must flip to DeSantis for reasons or we are doomed!
Posted by: JackStraw

I noticed that. They sound very, very concerned.

Posted by: Biergood at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (FQWHA)

60 Glenn Youngkin, not Todd. - Fixed

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (5p7BC)

61 The GOP must be smashed. I only see one hammer.
Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:05 AM (sn5EN)

That's my hammer!

Posted by: Paul Pelosi at November 12, 2022 08:14 AM (4I/2K)

62 To be rather crass about it, even an apparent "superstar" like DeSantis/Youngkin will need campaign funds and will wind up beholden to some True Conservative Patriot that only wants to preserve our Precious Democracy. You know what happens next!

That is the edge that Trump has!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 08:14 AM (hOUT3)

63 But Trump said p***y.

Posted by: Pearl clutching suburban white women driving Subarus thru the Starbucks drive thru at November 12, 2022 08:14 AM (DhOHl)

64 "Walker has not lost yet. Hello, runoff
Posted by: Jonah"

Yet. Turnout will be the key and the GOP will make sure that the ballots will not be there for Walker.

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:14 AM (sn5EN)

65 55. Mastriano lost by 15. He made stpuid comments in a norther state about Jan 6th. You have to know what state you are running in

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:14 AM (Cw0fX)

66 Kevin's fav butt fuck is a HUGE proponent of rank choice voting

Following soon, the Great Plan™ to deal with the voter fraud during Election ~~day~~ ~~week~~ ~~month~~ Season and the weeks of delay and angst while old Buicks stuffed with D votes are dredged out of rivers and bayous.

They will claim that through Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence that Big Tech can more accurately gauge the sentiment of the country and calculate who should be elected to what office by noon, Babylon DC time of the Tuesday that lands between the 2nd and the 8th of November.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 08:15 AM (3hSHB)

67 So those were the only candidates Trump supported and they only lost because of Trump support? Does that mean O'Dea lost in Colorado because of DeSantis' support?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (ZLI7S)

people like O'Dea are the future of the GOP

a horrible future but the future

Posted by: REDACTED at November 12, 2022 08:15 AM (us2H3)

68 >>I noticed that. They sound very, very concerned.

It's concerning.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:15 AM (ZLI7S)

69 If the establishment GOP prefers DeSantis, they may be in for a big surprise should he win.
Posted by: Kaiju66 at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (OuFlM)
~~~~~

It's altogether possible that we'll be the ones in for the big surprise .

Posted by: IrishEi at November 12, 2022 08:15 AM (3ImbR)

70 Wow. And yikes.
"The McFailure wing of the GOP" sounds exactly right. Is that term yours, Dave in Fla?

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 08:15 AM (r8enq)

71 @42

>>This is who we are and we are even more scummy than you could have ever imagined!"

What's going on in Alaska is clear example, Murkowski is not a Republican or Conservative, yet the shoveled millions of dollars into that race to beat a MAGA conservative.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 08:15 AM (up/3i)

72 no coffee thread?

trump v desantis bleeds into the weekend now
no thanks

Posted by: DB at November 12, 2022 08:16 AM (geLO8)

73 Good morning!

Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 12, 2022 08:16 AM (u82oZ)

74 I don't want to get into the Trump/DeSantis wars (though I know this is going to spark them). I tend to agree with Ace, I am worn out by Trump the Insult Attack Dog. But I think everyone should be aware of what is really going on, and not think that Trump has lost his mind.

==
Morning, Dave. That might[/] be what is going on (rumors in politics are as reliable as the polls..). However, just because "they" like DeSantis, does not mean we have to hate DeSAntis. I think of it as Churchill (us) making a deal with Stalin(Gope) to defeat Hitler (Dem junta). He could be their choice, but DeSantis is more than acceptable to me as a choice for 2024. Two years is a long time in politics, however, him declining their offer, shows that he is not brain dead and knows politics as well as anyone.

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:16 AM (V13WU)

75 Trump, Youngkin, DeSantis are all aces to me. Patriots, and DeSantis is a Veteran

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:16 AM (Cw0fX)

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:16 AM (V13WU)

77 These long term political assholes need to be retired. Permanently.

Posted by: Jak Sucio at November 12, 2022 08:16 AM (jvt6t)

78 that was close !

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:16 AM (V13WU)

79 41 For the record, I am not on either side. I will happily vote for Trump or DeSantis.

But I am rooting for casualties in the GOP leadership.
Posted by: Dave in Fla
-------------------
Trump is a known quantity and a vengeful Trump with no fucks to give about DC (assuming he hides it enough to get elected) to burn it all down might be the best of all options.

DeSantis will have to basically do a Trump and shut the borders, cutoff the H1b corporate slave machine, no new wars, and destroy the DOJ and CIA.

Not sure he can do that if he accepted part of a corrupt backdoor bargain with GOPe for the nomination. That indicates he will play ball with them.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:16 AM (CXr4y)

80 Yougkin won in a deep blue state, fights the marxists teachers. Now we are crapping him
Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (Cw0fX)

I know he appears to be trying to fight them, he saying things, but so far they are ignoring him and giving him the finger. Let's see if he follows through. I have my doubts. I voted for the dude, but I don't trust him.

Posted by: spypeach at November 12, 2022 08:17 AM (UuB/1)

81 >>I noticed that. They sound very, very concerned.

It's concerning.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:15 AM (ZLI7S)

Disconcerting, even

Posted by: Captain Miller at November 12, 2022 08:17 AM (4I/2K)

82 So basically, McCarty, MacConnell and McDaniels, sensing a pattern here, produced an utter catastrophe of an election result.

They should all be trebucheted directly into the gaping maw of an industrial wood chipper.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 08:17 AM (up/3i)

83 Thank you Dave in Fla for posting this.
I think being tired of Trump's tweets is basically saying " mean tweets" really.
What I always remember is that the GOPe doesn't hate Trump per se, they hate us, they hate MAGA.
If either DeathSantis or Youngkin accept the nom via the GOPe they're gonna be GOPe controlled
It's basically a Ring of Power, while WEF or whoever still wears the One Ring

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 12, 2022 08:17 AM (2xlV3)

84 19 Trump and MAGA is the UV flashlight light in the seedy hotel room.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 08:04 AM (3hSHB)

ewwwwww

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 08:18 AM (r8enq)

85 Where to start with Trump Desantis and a Youngkin? The one guy that should flat out shut up right now is Trump. I bet his own kids are asking him to shut up and not torpedo their futures.

Going after Desantis just looks week. Calling him corporate and an insider is a lame trope at this point. I still recall Trump attacking Christie, Paul, Rubio, Cruz, et Al with relish. He went after them harder than he ever did with Hillary. And even to this day he praises Biden and says others control him.

I still respect what Trump has done. He accomplished a lot but he can’t shut up. Like a pro poli sci/historian said the other day, Trump took a nation over 60 percent for a strong border to 40 percent vs the same. He chose that, he made that happen.

In the end Trump has abilities no other major Repub has including Desantis. Youngkin did a great job of winning, but could end up a Larry Hogan if he doesn’t cowboy up and start pushing more conservatism.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 08:18 AM (RtYWK)

86 Agree. Churchill takes Britain from a certain Nazi invasion, and with our help defeats them. And then couple months after VE day, gets landslided by the commies

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:18 AM (Cw0fX)

87 Yougkin won in a deep blue state, fights the marxists teachers. Now we are crapping him
Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (Cw0fX)
*********
We eat our own. The Democrats don't.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 12, 2022 08:18 AM (NpAcC)

88 80. Dems still have the state senate their right?

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:19 AM (Cw0fX)

89 at this point, the only thing that will change the trajectory is a whole lot of suffering

but take heart

it only took the Rooskies 75 years to reject communism

Posted by: REDACTED at November 12, 2022 08:19 AM (us2H3)

90 "What Trump has been doing with the personal insults to DeSantis and Youngkin, is to let them know that he will go after them personally if they accept the offer from Team McFailure."
- - -

Lol bro this is retarded. They don't need to be reminded that Trump's going to insult them if they run against him.

These is no reason to make this more complicated: Trump wants whatever slight advantage he gets from starting his campaign a few days early, without any regard to how this might hurt the party. This is because Trump cares about exactly zero people who aren't Donald Trump.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:19 AM (/0Tm1)

91 Why is it there is never one single name associated with these kinds of stories.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2022 08:19 AM (bVYXr)

92 Posted by: spypeach at November 12, 2022 08:17 AM (UuB/1)

So spypeach, you and I agree on yet another political topic!
How you doing?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 08:19 AM (hOUT3)

93 I feel like I'm reliving the waning days of Little Green Footballs.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 12, 2022 08:20 AM (3ImbR)

94 56 The beauty of their plan would also free Florida to get a New Democrat governor. Diabolical.
Do not fall for it.
Posted by: Chillin the most at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (0uQp2)

Complete nonsense. DeSantis is term limited, and the Republicans have huge majorities in the state house.

Posted by: Tofer732 at November 12, 2022 08:20 AM (fatpD)

95 If the GOPe is so focused on stopping MAGA (just like they did with the Tea Party), I wonder if Trump has a 3rd option. What if his big announcement coming up is an independent run in 2024? Still probably viewed as a majir hit to GOP candidate chances, so someone like DeSantis might not want to run. Poor GOP candidates means Trump run gets more support, but still gives the Dems a better chance.

Except that encourages Biden to stay in, because he thinks it'll be an easy campaign. Trump goes for outsider VP candidate to appeal more broadly...Tulsi is making that pitch now.

The whole thing would be an amazing shitshow.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 12, 2022 08:20 AM (NCgXW)

96 77 These long term political assholes need to be retired. Permanently.
Posted by: Jak Sucio
----------------------------
They are simply the middle management for the whale donors. Essentially, the GOP has become a hollowed out party where there is an institution, there are officeholders, but all essential party action happens when the big donors and their political advisors meet with these officeholders and give them marching orders.

Essentially the officeholders no longer have autonomy for they have sold their souls to the donors just for the privilege of exercising power over the plebes.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:20 AM (CXr4y)

97 So spypeach, you and I agree on yet another political topic!
How you doing?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 08:19 AM (hOUT3)

Hanging in there, how you doing?

Posted by: spypeach at November 12, 2022 08:21 AM (UuB/1)

98 91 Why is it there is never one single name associated with these kinds of stories.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 12, 2022 08:19 AM

Because they're propaganda, and not factual journalism?

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 12, 2022 08:21 AM (NCgXW)

99 If McConnell and McCarthy lose their chairmanships I'd consider it a minor victory. What their replacements do going forward is more important.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 12, 2022 08:21 AM (Q4IgG)

100 This is exactly what's going on. Been saying this since Wednesday once the articles started dropping.

I know I'm not the only one frustrated that we're constantly fighting a 3 on 1 battle. So often, the GOPe aligns perfectly with the desires of the Democrats. It's a difficult position to be in and Democrats must be laughing all the way to Washington.

The real problem here is actually the chamber of commerce crowd. They are the money behind guys like McConnell. What they want, goes.

And they don't vote for the country. They vote for stock prices and bonuses. That's why they'd rather there be open borders and visa workers. Cheap labor. Profits. Bonuses.

It always comes down to money. And we don't have principled billionaires on our side.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 12, 2022 08:21 AM (I8nLU)

101
I feel like I'm reliving the waning days of Little Green Footballs.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 12, 2022 08:20 AM

No evolution thread. Yet.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 12, 2022 08:21 AM (y3pKJ)

102 58 Yougkin won in a deep blue state, fights the marxists teachers. Now we are crapping him
Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:13 AM (Cw0fX)

*If* it is true that he's working to entrench the GOPe at the expense of standing up to the corrupted institutions of power we have right now (which in any analysis would have to include the GOPe itself), then yeah, crap away. It's not about Trump, ultimately. There is a very real Us vs. Them right now. The "Us" is people who desperately seek the reigning in of a growing totalitarian hell-state, and the "Them" seek to increase it and give it more power. Wheeling and dealing and power brokering is always going to be a part of politics, so you can't blame RDS or "Todd" for *that* alone, but the question is who are they getting in bed with? Who are they wheeling and dealing to serve? Us, or Them?

This story would be a big fat yawn if it were those two forming a clique together to be some kind of non-Trump MAGA alternative to Us. But because they're allegedly cozying up to known Quislings like McCarthy and Ryan is why it bites.

And, of course, this whole thing could be an Internet Fact that isn't a thing at all.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 12, 2022 08:21 AM (6FeV1)

103 ,I know he appears to be trying to fight them, he saying things, but so far they are ignoring him and giving him the finger. Let's see if he follows through. I have my doubts. I voted for the dude, but I don't trust him.
Posted by: spypeach
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Trump had zero follow-through on building the wall and fighting the deep state and you still love him. This isn't about keeping promises.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM (/0Tm1)

104 Agree. Churchill takes Britain from a certain Nazi invasion, and with our help defeats them. And then couple months after VE day, gets landslided by the commies

===

Winning the war was BFD. British internal politics are ...well look at them today. 3rd prime minister in a 3 years. But, I truly believe that a house divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM (V13WU)

105 with the cheating that goes on in PA.AZ, and NV

explain to me how any republican, short of Jesus, get to 270

Posted by: REDACTED at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM (us2H3)

106 What pisses me off is that I am sick and tired of the McFailure Wing telling us who we can vote for. This is how we got the founding member of the wing, McCain.

I personally think that DeSantis has not accepted the offer, so I have to ill will toward him (Hell, I just voted for him).

My anger is focused on leadership. I hope they do lose the House now, and this bullshit blows up in their faces.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM (5p7BC)

107 *in 3 years..

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM (V13WU)

108 Baris has had another bad election cycle. I follow him.

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM (Cw0fX)

109 >>Going after Desantis just looks week. Calling him corporate and an insider is a lame trope at this point. I still recall Trump attacking Christie, Paul, Rubio, Cruz, et Al with relish. He went after them harder than he ever did with Hillary. And even to this day he praises Biden and says others control him.

Google Walker Trump Georgia runoff and see what you get. Endless articles about how Walker, a 40 year close friend of Trump who is in the race because of Trump, needs DeSantis and Youngkin to support him and Trump to stay away.

It's a coordinated attack on Trump by the establishment wing of the party. They are trying to recruit either DeSantis or Youngkin, and if they fail there will be others, to go after Trump. And you think he is going to shut up?

Not likely. He's been working toward this moment for 2 years. What we need is to beat the establishment. I don't know how that has changed in a couple days.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM (ZLI7S)

110 Umm, would this be a good time to ask for more money? You see, we 'invested' some of the previous gifts in crypto...

Posted by: Ukraine at November 12, 2022 08:23 AM (dNNCD)

111 I continue to believe that DeSantis won’t run if Trump decides to. I think Trump is believing too much of the gossip he is hearing, and is lashing out. You would think by now he would know not to believe what he is hearing from the media echo chambers and people that aren’t in his corner.

Posted by: Tofer732 at November 12, 2022 08:23 AM (fatpD)

112 The reality is aTrump, Desantis, and a Youngkin could go after each other with reason. But only aTrump is doing it. It makes him look weak. Forget the establishment bs. Trump goes after Desantis and Youngkin for one reason only. He would have been smarter to act above those guys s. In fact going after them. Brings him down to their level. And those two have won since 2016.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 08:23 AM (RtYWK)

113 This is because Trump cares about exactly zero people who aren't Donald Trump.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:19 AM (/0Tm1)

So I am supposed to worry about Trump (verbally and publicly) hurting the same insider GOP people that screwed the country out of a functional Trump presidency and stood by while the commie/socialist scum misused the entire federal government to harass and hound Trump before, during, and after his Presidency?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 08:24 AM (hOUT3)

114 64 "Walker has not lost yet. Hello, runoff
Posted by: Jonah"

Yet. Turnout will be the key and the GOP will make sure that the ballots will not be there for Walker.
Posted by: fd
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What a joke. The only Republican who ever suppressed votes in a runoff was Trump when he said the whole thing was rigged and so there was no reason to vote in the runoff.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:24 AM (/0Tm1)

115 If only the GOP schemed and fought against the Democrats as hard as they fight against their so-called base, we would be in a better spot.

And that's the part that pisses me off the most. Dems always close ranks around their own no matter how heinous they are. Ted Kennedy kills a woman? He's The Lion of the Senate! Bill Clinton has credible accusations of sexual assault? They were trailer trash! Robert Byrd was a KKK member? That was a long time ago.

If the GOP did the same thing and stopped worrying about the media being mean to them, things would be a bit different.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 12, 2022 08:24 AM (Z7Jj3)

116 the GOPe is only interested in attacking their enemies and helping their friends

no assembly required

Posted by: REDACTED at November 12, 2022 08:24 AM (us2H3)

117 Trump is great for ratings.

Posted by: Pretty much any media outlet at November 12, 2022 08:25 AM (DhOHl)

118 This is because Trump cares about exactly zero people who aren't Donald Trump.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete

It is so cute that you think whatever GOPe candidate you like is any different. Let me tell you, most politicians in high office would allow you to be shot, imprisoned, or beaten with no qualms by the forces of state security if you crossed them.

The only difference is that Trump wants to be considered great by what he builds, the others want to be in office. So because the establishment of elites is all in to destroy Trump, he is being forced to side with people regardless of his natural inclination.

Don't be a fanboi of politicians--I have seen them up close and personal for years and most of them truly are lizard people or Stepford wife types.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:25 AM (CXr4y)

119 Lol. Called it yesterday. Politics is a sausage factory, except worse because the final product is terrible.

Again. If the GOP is ok with dems winning, then so am I. it is MAGA or nothing, assholes.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at November 12, 2022 08:25 AM (NjAfK)

120 trump v desantis bleeds into the weekend now

So lets say that DiF is correct and the McGOP is engineering more McFailure by attacking Trump.

We all agree that this is a .45/9mm, longbow/crossbow issue.

Our common enemy is the McGOP - they are the ones that are holding the Democrat's jackets while the D's set fire to Western Civilization.

Backing Rubio and other men who are addressing the Real Problem should be supported rather than wasting our time on Party Gilligan's Island Ginger/Maryann foolishness.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 08:25 AM (3hSHB)

121 Such acrimony, so distasteful.

Where have all the gentlemen and gentlewomen gone?

Remember the days of my dead Pappy, where it was calm and peaceful and never a harsh word was spoken among the elite....err...among us Republicans. Working hard for the working family!

Come back to me and I will once again drone you to sleep and list fullness and zero testosterone.

Pale, Ball less and ready that's me!

Please clap!

Posted by: Jeb! at November 12, 2022 08:26 AM (R/m4+)

122 The establishment set in motion the recruitment of De Santis in July of this year.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 12, 2022 08:26 AM (Zl+xh)

123 Being "this close" is failure - for them. The Freedom caucus will have a lot of pull with current calculus. As regards Trump's public meltdown over Y and RDS, he could have called them, told them privately. Not look like a nutcase on national TV. That is what killed him in DC - inability to politic. He is shaped by NY. And he it too old to learn otherwise.

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:26 AM (V13WU)

124 This is what I expected of the jackasses in the GOPe, and one of the reasons I don't blame Trump. He is absolutely all of the things the GOPe calls him. What they don't get is that that is why he is beloved.

There are "workers" on this blog. But there are not many in the Trump workers' class. I live among them, and I see them. We choose to live in a more rural and lower-caste area because neither my husband nor I grew up in particularly comfortable economic situations. These are our people even if we can afford to move to a "nicer" neighborhood. The Trump signs are put up with wood and outdoor paint here. If a flag is all they can do, that flag is replaced as it wears over the years. They will accept no less than Trump, and they know damn well from the past two years that the establishment HATES them, and they are beginning to hate them right back. Going down this road is exactly what the GOPe wants. If there is a primary, and Trump loses, these people have to be replaced in the voting booth. They will not be cajoled and they are DONE holding their noses and voting for McCains.

At the same time, none of us in the Trump workers' class believe the fraud is fixed.

Posted by: Catherine at November 12, 2022 08:26 AM (ZSsrh)

125 105. We did win the Gov in NV. Look, if you would have told me in 2017, that NC, Ohio, Florida, and IOWA would be solid red states along with TX being solid red again, I would have laughed.

The economy has to be bad, and the Dems have a awful Senate map in 2024.

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:26 AM (Cw0fX)

126 Georgia runoff? No problem. We're on it.

Posted by: Dominion Voting Systems at November 12, 2022 08:26 AM (DhOHl)

127 I saw this in 2020. I left the Republican Party.

If, a big if, the Republicans actually fight for me, I will reconsider.

At this point, where do I put my effort? The Dems are the evil party, and the Reps are the stupid, do nothing party.

I am concentrated on the local races. But even in Kansas, there is a sea-tide of unlearned youth rising up.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 12, 2022 08:26 AM (u82oZ)

128 Trump had zero follow-through on building the wall and fighting the deep state and you still love him. This isn't about keeping promises.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM (/0Tm1)

what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul

Posted by: billy madison at November 12, 2022 08:27 AM (UuB/1)

129 What a joke. The only Republican who ever suppressed votes in a runoff was Trump when he said the whole thing was rigged and so there was no reason to vote in the runoff.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
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Loeffler was a lousy insider trading rich bitch candidate. She would have lost anyway and Kemp was playing GOPe gains to even appoint her instead of a US rep who would have probably held the seat. Perdue most likely won without a runoff in the general but refused to challenge the election because GOP told him not to.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:27 AM (CXr4y)

130 We on this blog and few others get good information.
Everyone else looks at DJT with these petty insults and heads for the exits.
It will cost him support.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, thanks vets at November 12, 2022 08:27 AM (jTmQV)

131 Umm, would this be a good time to ask for more money? You see, we 'invested' some of the previous gifts in crypto...
Posted by: Ukraine

Fuck off, whore.

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:27 AM (V13WU)

132 @111

>>I continue to believe that DeSantis won’t run if Trump decides to.

Looking at the map, the level of cheat and corruption, no Republican can win the Presidency in this environment.

The GOP has been threading the needle for the last 20 years, the eye is closed now.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 08:27 AM (up/3i)

133 Your average GOPe is a remora riding on the taxpayers.

Posted by: torabora at November 12, 2022 08:27 AM (z0aPa)

134 If only the GOP schemed and fought against the Democrats as hard as they fight against their so-called base, we would be in a better spot.

That is because the GOP and Dems generally agree on the final destination, they only have a disagreement on the route to get there. They are a husband and wife on a roadtrip with a paper map.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at November 12, 2022 08:27 AM (NjAfK)

135 103 Trump had zero follow-through on building the wall and fighting the deep state and you still love him. This isn't about keeping promises.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM

Trump tried multiple avenues to build the wall, and was shut down by the GOPe in Congress, and the courts at various levels. Deep state bureaucracy also slowed and stymied his efforts. While he could fire top-level people immediately, all the subordinate worker bees are federal employees that can't just be terminated on a whim (I know..I am one!).

Endless environmental assessments, lawsuits, funding restrictions based off of Congressional funding apportionment...literally one man in government vs the entire rest of it. I'm disappointed, but not surprised, and don't think Trump didn't try.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 12, 2022 08:28 AM (NCgXW)

136 Hanging in there, how you doing?
Posted by: spypeach at November 12, 2022 08:21 AM (UuB/1)

Same here, but I must admit, my fingers are getting really tired from all the hanging on to the ledge!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 08:28 AM (hOUT3)

137 >>> he could have called them, told them privately. Not look like a nutcase on national TV.
~~~~~

Who's to say he didn't?

Posted by: IrishEi at November 12, 2022 08:28 AM (3ImbR)

138 All I will state here is AH-HAH! Pretty much, this was along the lines of who I believed was initiating the "divide and conquer" scheme to deny Trump his rightfully won, second term and to weaken MAGA.

I thought it was exclusively McConnell, McCarthy and their corporate/foreign masters behind this plan. But to really no surprise, it's also Paul Ryan, the Chamber of Commerce's favorite Republican.

Paint me as not surprised. More reason to hate the GOPe.
No doubt the hacks at RedState.com will find a way to positively spin this conspiracy.

I hope I'm around to see all three of these people get their due.

Posted by: Tracy at November 12, 2022 08:28 AM (zr2ET)

139 Trump will never be allowed to be President again, by any means necessary. Yes, I do believe this.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at November 12, 2022 08:29 AM (BF0SU)

140 So I am supposed to worry about Trump (verbally and publicly) hurting the same insider GOP people that screwed the country out of a functional Trump presidency...
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~
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(1) DeSanctimonious is not one of those people.

(2) Trump ruined his own presidency. He promised us that he was the greatest negotiator of all time, but he couldn't figure out how to come out ahead in a negotiation with anyone in Washington. They rolled him every single time. It's long past time to stop thinking that Trump has a plan or knows how to influence people.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:29 AM (/0Tm1)

141 It's a coordinated attack on Trump by the establishment wing of the party. They are trying to recruit either DeSantis or Youngkin, and if they fail there will be others, to go after Trump. And you think he is going to shut up?

Not likely. He's been working toward this moment for 2 years. What we need is to beat the establishment. I don't know how that has changed in a couple days.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM (ZLI7S)

It's incredible how people keep buying into Conservative Inc. long after the grift has been exposed. It doesn't terribly matter to me: a "narrow" GOP majority is likely to support the Rat agenda while shouldering the blame when it fails. And when major recessions grind down countries, a lack of peaceful change makes a violent one inevitable.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 08:29 AM (igJSL)

142 "The only Republican who ever suppressed votes in a runoff was Trump when he said the whole thing was rigged and so there was no reason to vote in the runoff.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete "

You don't know the GA GOP like I do.

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:29 AM (sn5EN)

143 Umm, would this be a good time to ask for more money? You see, we 'invested' some of the previous gifts in crypto...
Posted by: Ukraine

Things are getting a little more difficult at my level, so I'm gonna need a 15% cut going forward.

Posted by: The Big Guy at November 12, 2022 08:29 AM (NCgXW)

144 McConnell has to go. He has crossed the line on the Murkowski/Masters thing. Vance hates him

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:29 AM (Cw0fX)

145 Candidate doesn't matter, organization does. The circular firing squad is going to just distract everyone from the actual changes republicans need.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 12, 2022 08:29 AM (pIKd9)

146 Who's to say he didn't?
Posted by: IrishEi at November 12, 2022 08:28 AM (3ImbR)

Not his style. If he did , he would have announced it on live TV. Prove me wrong !

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:30 AM (V13WU)

147 You know what. WTF is Rand Paul on the election Fraud?

Does he only care about Fauci?

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:30 AM (Cw0fX)

148 Has anyone posted the (IIRC) Gateway Pundit article quoting the billionaire openly stating that they were backing DeSantis in an attempt to bring conservative voters back in line of voting for illegals, off-shoring jobs, and endless wars?

Posted by: Gray Man - Look for rainbow books at your kids library, press charges against librarians at November 12, 2022 08:30 AM (F9ExA)

149 If they succeed in taking out Trump, I wonder if the GOP will ever win another election.

Trump has a very large, very loyal base. If they stay home, all these close victories become losses.

And I'm not sure DeSantis wins without Trump's base.

It's true McFailure at a country wide level.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 12, 2022 08:30 AM (I8nLU)

150 What a joke. The only Republican who ever suppressed votes in a runoff was Trump when he said the whole thing was rigged and so there was no reason to vote in the runoff.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:24 AM (/0Tm1)

Let's see. Georgia Governor and Secretary of state were in on the steal for the presidency but the run off for the Senate was going to be clean as a whistle. Got it.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (n2xrq)

151 124 Catherine,
What you said is spot on.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (CXr4y)

152 Such acrimony, so distasteful.

Where have all the gentlemen and gentlewomen gone?

Remember the days of my dead Pappy, where it was calm and peaceful and never a harsh word was spoken among the elite....err...among us Republicans. Working hard for the working family!

Come back to me and I will once again drone you to sleep and list fullness and zero testosterone.

Pale, Ball less and ready that's me!

Please clap!
Posted by: Jeb!

Hear, hear! Finally, a voice of gentlemanly reason and compassion!

Posted by: Mike Pence at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (FQWHA)

153 >> Trump had zero follow-through on building the wall and fighting the deep state and you still love him. This isn't about keeping promises.

That's absurd. Nobody even talked about a wall until Trump came along and had not his own party fought him it would have been finished in his first term. Yea establishment.

According to the BP we had the most secure border in Trump's last couple years than we've had since the BP started keeping stats. Had Trump not been cheated out of a 2nd term illegal immigration through the southern border wouldn't even be a top 10 issue anymore.

As to the Deep State google Schedule F. That was Trump's 2nd term. Will be if he wins in '24.

They desire of some to trash Trump has reached the make shit up stage. That's a sure fire way to get him to go away.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (ZLI7S)

154 *watched thread*

Boy, these guys are good!

Posted by: Poo Flinging Monkey at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (4I/2K)

155 But I am rooting for casualties in the GOP leadership.
Posted by: Dave in Fla

This is a typical McFailure Ploy that we've seen for more than 2 decades.

They conduct their war against their base in the same way they conduct their foreign wars since Vietnam.

They try to titrate the results, ie. how much failure can we bake into the cake and still get the victory we want?

In this case, the victory the GOPe wants is control of the Congressional grift train while denying victory to Trump or their voters cuz they just aren't powerful enough to get those items passed noway nohow.

It would be great if finally finally finally the McFailure Titration Plan finally led to all of them losing their positions and power.

Just a bit too much failure in the mix?

Posted by: naturalfake at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (KLPy8)

156 It's long past time to stop thinking that Trump has a plan or knows how to influence people.

==

I am there, majority will see it by 2024.

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (V13WU)

157 It's possible to appreciate what Trump did 6 years ago and support Trump policies but want a different vessel to implement them now.. A lower drama, less hate-inspiring vessel.

Posted by: Gobagoo at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (p6YZo)

158 Trump can't just expect to get MAGA votes and win. There are suburban women who voted for the Republicans this time around, but are so turned off by the latest sh*t that Trump is saying about DeSantis and Youngkin that they won't vote for him.
Trump refuses to see the big picture and tweak things.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 12, 2022 08:32 AM (NpAcC)

159 Ex Governors and statewide office holders are were you start for Senate candidates. They are known. but they tend to be more establishment. Hawley was AG. Rick Scott was Gov etc....

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:32 AM (Cw0fX)

160 145 until the schools start teaching a semblance of the idea America is a great nation, all of this will be bailing out a sinking boat.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 08:32 AM (RtYWK)

161 Endless environmental assessments, lawsuits, funding restrictions based off of Congressional funding apportionment...literally one man in government vs the entire rest of it. I'm disappointed, but not surprised, and don't think Trump didn't try.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 12, 2022 08:28 AM (NCgXW)

Not just one. I know it's popular to blame Jared Kushner for every misstep, and you'd certainly think I would despise him more than anyone, but the guy really needs kudos for helping push through the Abraham Accords. Likewise Trump's entire trade team not only renegotiated NAFTA but did so in a manner proving that Uniparty Free Trade was always designed to hobble America.

People claiming that President Trump's staffing sucked are unaware of what it took to realize those major priorities.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 08:32 AM (igJSL)

162 157 It's possible to appreciate what Trump did 6 years ago and support Trump policies but want a different vessel to implement them now.. A lower drama, less hate-inspiring vessel.
Posted by: Gobagoo at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (p6YZo)

Yes, it is.

And well done shoe-horning the words "TRUMP" and "HATE" into the same sentence. They must pay you the big bucks for that kind of talent.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 12, 2022 08:33 AM (6FeV1)

163 I am not thrilled at Trump running again, but at this point it is him or nothing. Unless he decides to step aside and fully endorse someone. Which is possibly what this DeSantis thing is trying to stop. Start a rumor that McCarthy offered the nom to Ron as a way to stop Don, that way MAGA distrusts Ron, even if trump does endorse.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at November 12, 2022 08:33 AM (NjAfK)

164 The only difference is that Trump wants to be considered great by what he builds, the others want to be in office. So because the establishment of elites is all in to destroy Trump, he is being forced to side with people regardless of his natural inclination.

Don't be a fanboi of politicians--I have seen them up close and personal for years and most of them truly are lizard people or Stepford wife types.
Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:25 AM (CXr4y)

Oddly enough, Trump is actually an accomplished individual, although (gasp) imperfect. He has actually done something in his life besides trying to figure out how to get, and keep, his hand in the public till!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 08:33 AM (hOUT3)

165 If DeSantis is part of the cabal, America is hosed. Trump cannot fix anyhting if this is true, and I cannot imagine him winning another election to even try. The perception by many is that DeSantis is not. I'm not saying it's not true, I'm saying I need more evidence than from whoever this Baris is. And it is clearly not there in abundance yet because the perception by a significant number of Trump supporters is also that Trump is crumbling into a screeching teenage girl, dividing the party irresponsiblly. Trump is not doing anyhting to change that perception. That is also bad.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 12, 2022 08:34 AM (RG7Wy)

166 Now this is what I'd call a pie fight!

Posted by: Moe Howard at November 12, 2022 08:34 AM (4I/2K)

167 Dave, thank you for confirming what my got was telling me.

The all of a sudden and everywhere "messaging" of "enough Trump," along with the results (and non- results) of Tuesday.

Happened in these hallowed gray boxes, too. Trolls, or not.

Anyone remember Trump's big presser (they were in the back) with members of Congress? It may have been after the previous mid terms, i don't recall. He was thanking everyone for what they did for him. He thanked that traitor from Kentucky, and mitch had NO expression of his face. Blank eyes, even. I thought it was telling. Even McCarthy managed a smile. But not mitch.

Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at November 12, 2022 08:34 AM (Rbu5d)

168 It's incredible how people keep buying into Conservative Inc. long after the grift has been exposed. It doesn't terribly matter to me: a "narrow" GOP majority is likely to support the Rat agenda while shouldering the blame when it fails. And when major recessions grind down countries, a lack of peaceful change makes a violent one inevitable.
Posted by: trev006
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Catherine above has it right. It is about class which is simply not mentioned much in US politics.

GOP has always had this problem which is why teh country club Republican insult was made. Go back to Nixon and his Checker's speech on a cloth coat. And so on.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:34 AM (CXr4y)

169 Come to the dark side. We have cookies.

Posted by: Little Green Footballs at November 12, 2022 08:34 AM (DhOHl)

170 158. The women are abortion lovers pissed about Roe. Student loan kids coming from the basements.

Many GOP women voted Dem due to Roe in the burbs.

I will take that short term hit, to overturn Roe. The price you pay for the Good

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:35 AM (Cw0fX)

171 Trump can't just expect to get MAGA votes and win. There are suburban women who voted for the Republicans this time around, but are so turned off by the latest sh*t that Trump is saying about DeSantis and Youngkin that they won't vote for him.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 12, 2022 08:32 AM (NpAcC)

Even DeSantis' twenty point win was won with fewer votes attained by Biden, much less Trump. There's zero reason to think anyone can expand the Trump coalition dramatically (how could they, after +77 million legitimate votes). Most of the people promising that they can are charlatans.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 08:35 AM (igJSL)

172 There are suburban women who voted for the Republicans this time around, but are so turned off by the latest sh*t that Trump is saying about DeSantis and Youngkin that they won't vote for him.

They aren't paying attention anymore. The election was 5 boxes of Franzia ago.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at November 12, 2022 08:35 AM (NjAfK)

173 'm disappointed, but not surprised, and don't think Trump didn't try.
Posted by: Moron Analyst
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On Day One of his presidency, Trump should have called the GOP and Democrat leadership to the White House and explained that the border wall was his priority. He should have figured out what their price was, and paid it.

I'll never get tired of pointing out that Trump is a shitty negotiator. Yes, he faced strong opposition. But the definition of a strong negotiator is someone who can get what he wants while giving up very little. Trump was never that guy. Instead of negotiating, he hired an endless parade of terrible people, got in stupid Twitter fights, and watched untold hours of the Gorilla Channel

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:35 AM (/0Tm1)

174 Trump had zero follow-through on building the wall and fighting the deep state and you still love him. This isn't about keeping promises.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:22 AM (/0Tm1)

The weakness of the anti-Trump argument is that it so often relies on lies.

Was there wall construction and was Trump pushing the legislature to get it done properly while doing what he could as the executive? Yes/no.

Was Trump in the process of cleaning up the bureaucracy and does that remain a focus? Yes/no.

The answer reflects more on you than Trump.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 08:35 AM (eYoxG)

175
The all of a sudden and everywhere "messaging" of "enough Trump," along with the results (and non- results) of Tuesday.

Happened in these hallowed gray boxes, too. Trolls, or not.

-------------------------------
Targeted hit. Seen it on a smaller scale in state elections.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:36 AM (CXr4y)

176 Just spitballin' here...

Yea, Trump's "plan" was to go after the political establishment that went after him. Counter punching.

Getting "his" MAGA candidates was needed to shake up the House and Senate. Perhaps replace McConnell and McCarthy with friendlier leadership. He'd need that if he wanted to run again. And win.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 12, 2022 08:36 AM (Q4IgG)

177 (2) Trump ruined his own presidency. He promised us that he was the greatest negotiator of all time, but he couldn't figure out how to come out ahead in a negotiation with anyone in Washington. They rolled him every single time. It's long past time to stop thinking that Trump has a plan or knows how to influence people.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:29 AM

Trump made great progress in negotiations with Russia (no invasions during his 4 years, unlike Obama, Bush or Biden), China (trade war slowly benefitting the US and hurting Chinese growth), and the Middle East (various peace treaties and agreements between Israel and Arab countries).

The fact he could get Muslims and Jews to come to the table and make deals, but the GOPe and Dems wouldn't, is more a reflection on them, and not Trump. They won't negotiate in good faith, because they just want to hurt Trump to regain the power they lost.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 12, 2022 08:36 AM (NCgXW)

178 What pisses me off is that I am sick and tired of the McFailure Wing telling us who we can vote for. This is how we got the founding member of the wing, McCain.

Yup. Fuck Mrs. Frank Luntz and fuck Paul Ryan.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 12, 2022 08:36 AM (zm+d5)

179 I don't care who's behind what plan. I see things with my own eyes and am capable of making a decision based just on that.

Posted by: Gobagoo at November 12, 2022 08:36 AM (p6YZo)

180 In the spirit of Monty's DOOM threads that focused on the economy, these could maybe be GLOOM threads.

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 08:36 AM (r8enq)

181 Now this is what I'd call a pie fight!
Posted by: Moe Howard at November 12, 2022 08:34 AM (4I/2K)

Quick! Get that stage hand in a gorilla suite. Nothing better than a Three Stooges gorilla pie fight.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 12, 2022 08:37 AM (n2xrq)

182 The only hope is DeSantis is playing a long con. As I mentioned this past week, his election filings show some 40 plus billionaires from the chamber crowd are donating to him.

It's possible it's a ruse. Take the money and then run.

But I've been burned enough times to know better. DeSantis will dance to the tune his pocketbooks play.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 12, 2022 08:37 AM (I8nLU)

183 I want legislative victories, not just a win in 2024, and then have everything blow up with the next administration. Dems know this, that's why Pelosi gave Bush money for Iraq , but got Medicaid part B. See how it's done ?

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:37 AM (V13WU)

184 I am getting old and invisble I guess. The new world thinks it is OK to smash in a new born baby's skull in, because the mtoher decides she does not want after is born. All legal.

And you know what. The people who support infanticide won elections Tuesday

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:37 AM (Cw0fX)

185 Now this is what I'd call a pie fight!

Throwing pies at Kevin McCarthy sounds like a splendid idea.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 12, 2022 08:37 AM (zm+d5)

186 bullshit

One, ONE, on the record source or it didn't happen.

Foe example, this past week I am completely done with Ol' Lockdown Don and completely in for DeSantis, and I didn't get a call from anyone.

Posted by: Candidus at November 12, 2022 08:38 AM (469KY)

187 >>Trump can't just expect to get MAGA votes and win. There are suburban women who voted for the Republicans this time around, but are so turned off by the latest sh*t that Trump is saying about DeSantis and Youngkin that they won't vote for him.
Trump refuses to see the big picture and tweak things.

The really big picture is that Trump has changed the Republican electorate. None of those suburban housewives voted for him in 2016, they voted for Hillary.

Trump turned the party into a working men and women party with increased minority candidates and voters. That wasn't done by the establishment or guys like DeSantis or Youngkin, that was Trump.

By now everyone knows Trump's strengths and weaknesses. The most surprising thing to me is anyone is surprised that Trump is going after the GOPe and it's allies. That's why we liked him in the first place. They are as much our enemy as the left.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:38 AM (ZLI7S)

188 They aren't paying attention anymore. The election was 5 boxes of Franzia ago.

You are so correct. Its amazing that people who have already completely forgotten the horrors of lockdowns, mandates and being thrown into a dystopia of massive inflation, broad-spectrum shortages and cultural immolation , voted for their tormentors because a couple ads and a few social media comments were friendly to the Tyrant's cause.

But forty years from now they are going to remember exactly where they were when Trump said something sketchy about DeSantis.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 08:38 AM (3hSHB)

189 or is it medicare ? I get those two confused from time to time...

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:38 AM (V13WU)

190 158, Trump is pissing off me, Ace, and other hard core partisans. He lost suburban women at p&@$ty or Oprah.

The scariest part of the modern USA is all the extreme comments we made about it are actually true. I hoped for some hyperbole but no.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 08:38 AM (RtYWK)

191 171 Trump can't just expect to get MAGA votes and win. There are suburban women who voted for the Republicans this time around, but are so turned off by the latest sh*t that Trump is saying about DeSantis and Youngkin that they won't vote for him.

Posted by: redridinghood
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You assume that the Trump voters will vote for DeSantis or Youngkin if they took part in a GOPe hit on their champion. They won't and GOP is incapable of winning much of anything without them.

If Youngkin or DeSantis want to run, then they need to do it in the open not hide in the shadows and try to stab Trump in the back. Do it like a man but that is not the GopE way.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:38 AM (CXr4y)

192 Here's Politico (which is probably what Gateway Pundit linked) article on the billionaire globalist supporting DeSantis. The bold part is important:

"Griffin told POLITICO that he’s prepared to back the Florida governor if he runs for the White House. Griffin was the leading donor to DeSantis’ reelection campaign this cycle, dropping $5 million... He wants to improve the diversity of the GOP and blunt the vein of populism that has complicated the party’s relationship with the corporate world — two things he’s consulted with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy about."

https://tinyurl.com/22rqvurn

Posted by: Gray Man - Look for rainbow books at your kids library, press charges against librarians at November 12, 2022 08:38 AM (F9ExA)

193 162 157 It's possible to appreciate what Trump did 6 years ago and support Trump policies but want a different vessel to implement them now.. A lower drama, less hate-inspiring vessel.
Posted by: Gobagoo at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (p6YZo)

Yes, it is.

And well done shoe-horning the words "TRUMP" and "HATE" into the same sentence. They must pay you the big bucks for that kind of talent.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 12, 2022 08:33 AM (6FeV1)

I think you spotted that one correctly.

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 08:39 AM (r8enq)

194 Do the people here that are ardent DeSantis supporters believe he can revive the economy?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 12, 2022 08:39 AM (Zl+xh)

195 I am there, majority will see it by 2024.
Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:31 AM (V13WU)

After watching 2020 get stolen in front of our eyes, watching people rot in jail for parading in the capital. After being called racists and nazis and bigots by both parties, watching deep state actors destroy a man and his family because he wouldn't play their games. And finally, watching them throw another election away to punish MAGA voters.

You are so right, we will all just fall in line with the what the uniparty wants.

Posted by: spypeach at November 12, 2022 08:39 AM (UuB/1)

196 DeSantis will dance to the tune his pocketbooks play.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 12, 2022 08:37 AM (I8nLU

By the same people who ignored him when he first ran for governor? Unlikely.

Posted by: Tofer732 at November 12, 2022 08:39 AM (fatpD)

197 Ok MP is just jerking off again. Worth ignoring.

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:39 AM (sn5EN)

198 173. Yep. But Paul Ryan and McConnell wanted corporate tax cuts first. After that, they shit on Trump

Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:39 AM (Cw0fX)

199 But forty years from now they are going to remember exactly where they were when Trump said something sketchy about DeSantis.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 08:38 AM (3hSHB)

Yes, it's concerning that DeSantis's biggest supporters seem to have such blinders on about effective politics. Even if you don't like Trump, there's a hell of a lot to be learned from him.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 08:40 AM (eYoxG)

200 I especially like the part where we're talking about who will win a vote on a Saturday after a Tuesday election that remains uncalled and where the Democrats are going to steal the election again.

Posted by: Gray Man - Look for rainbow books at your kids library, press charges against librarians at November 12, 2022 08:40 AM (F9ExA)

201 At the same time, none of us in the Trump workers' class believe the fraud is fixed.
Posted by: Catherine

Yep
Just don't see how anyone not part of the uniparty wins

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 12, 2022 08:40 AM (2xlV3)

202 Paul Ryan really is the gift that keeps on giving isn't he?

His first scheme cripple Trump by voluntarily abandoning the field and taking a bunch of Reps with him, so that Pelosi becomes Speaker.

Now, if he's successful with his latest. The MAGA vote splits and the Dims win forever.

Holding out the golden crown is a mighty big temptation to any politician.

I can be happy with DeSantis but not if he grabs Paul Ryan's Golden Crown (euphemism warning!!!)

Posted by: naturalfake at November 12, 2022 08:41 AM (KLPy8)

203 Wise guy, eh?

Posted by: Curly at November 12, 2022 08:41 AM (DhOHl)

204 Big freaking deal. They are trying to get out in front of the "anti-Bernie" strategy the Democrats used. They don't want Trump to run roughshod through the primaries with 30% of the vote from his loyal diehards, while another 10 candidates split the vote and lose, setting up Trump to get crushed in the general election because there is no Hillary to save the day. The difference is, the Democrats waited until after the primaries started. I can understand why diehard Trump supporters would be unhappy--everyone is teaming up against their guy. But it's hardly out of bounds for a party to consider doing this. If you think this is just because the RINOs want to deliver and establishment guy, you're really missing it. This doesn't mean DiSantis is the next McCain. DiSantis is the most popular Trump alternative. If it were Ben Sasse, sure, they'd be going to Ben Sasse. But they aren't, because DiSantis is the most popular by far (besides Trump). I'm really sick of hearing how everyone but Trump (or whoever he claims in that minute that he approves) is an establishment squish. It's stupid.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 08:41 AM (Gu48G)

205 The perception by many is that DeSantis is not. I'm not saying it's not true, I'm saying I need more evidence than from whoever this Baris is.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 12, 2022 08:34 AM (RG7Wy)

1) The Democrats mysteriously having a massive turnout collapse in Florida that wasn't duplicated anywhere else in the country.

2) DeSantis megadonors, especially Ken Griffin, obviously being against the broader MAGA agenda.

3) By far the most significant, Powerline and Instapundit joining with National Review, Salem Media and the NPC left to declare Trump Must Go. This kind of scam was also in operation on January 6th, and for most of the same reasons.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 08:41 AM (igJSL)

206 200 I especially like the part where we're talking about who will win a vote on a Saturday after a Tuesday election that remains uncalled and where the Democrats are going to steal the election again.
Posted by: Gray Man - Look for rainbow books at your kids library, press charges against librarians at November 12, 2022 08:40 AM (F9ExA)

It's Who We Are.

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 08:41 AM (r8enq)

207 IrishEi said it best:

This stuns me.

Corruption in every corner of our government, fraud filled elections, and back-stabbing by those who are "on our side," but I'm done with the one outsider who has tried to expose it all and who did more to help bring us back from the brink than anyone else in my lifetime.

Because he insults people.

People who have probably tried to destroy him.

Posted by: Tracy at November 12, 2022 08:41 AM (zr2ET)

208 Time to turn the page?

Posted by: Eromero at November 12, 2022 08:41 AM (s7zHM)

209 190 158, Trump is pissing off me, Ace, and other hard core partisans. He lost suburban women at p&@$ty or Oprah.

The scariest part of the modern USA is all the extreme comments we made about it are actually true. I hoped for some hyperbole but no.
Posted by: Quint
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Guess what, if McConnell and McCarthy tanked winnable elections to get Trump, you should be pissed off at them and DeSantis/Youngkin if they knew or approved of such a scheme.

You want to beat Trump, do it in the open not rely on blaming him for losses when Gope is tanking the races in the backroom.

Which is worse, saying you know dirt on what DeSantis did or whether YoungKin is getting support from the China forever lobby, or if they did it.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:42 AM (CXr4y)

210 Alec Baldwin suing those who handled and supplied the loaded gun he fired on set, killing one person... says he wants to "clear his name"

Yeah -- who hired those incompetents anyway?!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) cancel your NY Post at November 12, 2022 08:42 AM (yikp0)

211 but he couldn't figure out how to come out ahead in a negotiation with anyone in Washington

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It's neat how he had peace talks and ended wars all over the world, though.

Almost like there was something particular about D.C.

Posted by: Gray Man - Look for rainbow books at your kids library, press charges against librarians at November 12, 2022 08:42 AM (F9ExA)

212 Trump or Desantis doesn't matter. As some others have said here, there's no way any Republican wins in 2024. Not until we elect some Governors and Secretaries of State that can ensure election integrity in the states.

Posted by: Mob at November 12, 2022 08:42 AM (S8KeN)

213 If Youngkin or DeSantis want to run, then they need to do it in the open not hide in the shadows and try to stab Trump in the back. Do it like a man but that is not the GopE way.
Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:38 AM (CXr4y)

Seriously, they'd be better served coming after Trump openly if they hope to win many of his voters.

The voters here they'd hope to win aren't going to have an army of DeSantis/Youngkin fans arguing their case, they're going to see the Democrats/NT/GOPe pushing them and go no thanks.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 08:42 AM (eYoxG)

214 Trump will never be allowed to be President again, by any means necessary. Yes, I do believe this.

I've been saying that for months.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at November 12, 2022 08:42 AM (nxdel)

215 "The only difference is that Trump wants to be considered great by what he builds, the others want to be in office"
- - -

Absolutely amazing how backwards you have this.. Google "Trump second term Hannity" and look what Trump told that Irish meathead when he asked him what his goals for his second term were. Trump couldn't identity a single thing. Not one thing!

Trump doesn't want to accomplish Jack fucking shit. He just wants to be president, mostly too settle personal scores against Adam Schiff.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:43 AM (/0Tm1)

216 194 Do the people here that are ardent DeSantis supporters believe he can revive the economy?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 12, 2022 08:39 AM (Zl+xh

Why not? Let’s face it, we will be in a recession likely until mid 2024. Reducing taxes, cutting government regulation, and dealing tough with China isn’t only unique to Trump. 2024 should set up similar to 1980, without the 15% prime rate.

Posted by: Tofer732 at November 12, 2022 08:43 AM (fatpD)

217 The GOP just wants to clear the field against Trump. If Trump is really as popular as he and his most diehard supporters believe, then Trump will easily defeat DeSantis. After all, Trump got a million more votes in FL in 2020 than DeSantis did in 2022--it will be a blowout!

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 08:43 AM (Gu48G)

218 Trump will run. Probably as an Indy.

DeSantis will be the Republican nominee.

Biden will win.

Ross Perot II. Electric boogaloo.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (I8nLU)

219 194 what are you asking exactly? If Desantis had his way could he promote economic growth? Hell yeah. Any legit conservative would believe that about his man because it is true.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (RtYWK)

220 I hope we get running with scissors soon.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (45fpk)

221 But they aren't, because DiSantis is the most popular by far (besides Trump). I'm really sick of hearing how everyone but Trump (or whoever he claims in that minute that he approves) is an establishment squish. It's stupid.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA
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You do the shit in the open, no coordinated hit. Guess what, you will lose badly--the thirty percent that you estimate of Trump followers will simply stay home because it is not about winning elections but fixing the damn country and that means most of what the corporate class wants in this country has to be killed dead as a doornail.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (CXr4y)

222 After watching 2020 get stolen in front of our eyes, watching people rot in jail for parading in the capital. After being called racists and nazis and bigots by both parties, watching deep state actors destroy a man and his family because he wouldn't play their games. And finally, watching them throw another election away to punish MAGA voters.

You are so right, we will all just fall in line with the what the uniparty wants.
Posted by: spypeach at November 12, 2022 08:39 AM (UuB/1)

It is not about falling in line, it's a coincidence that who they want is what suits us. Does not happen very often. But, they are not stupid. They know DeSAntis is a winner. No reason to paint him as some kind of Gope acolyte.

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (V13WU)

223 So when we lose the House (which it looking like we will)—none if this will matter.

Goodbye filibuster. Hello permanent Dem control.

“But he fights.”

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (5+MYG)

224 >>The GOP just wants to clear the field against Trump. If Trump is really as popular as he and his most diehard supporters believe, then Trump will easily defeat DeSantis. After all, Trump got a million more votes in FL in 2020 than DeSantis did in 2022--it will be a blowout!

Then why are DeSantis' most diehard supporters whining?

It's '24 primary time. Let the games begin.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (ZLI7S)

225 Catherine above has it right. It is about class which is simply not mentioned much in US politics.

GOP has always had this problem which is why teh country club Republican insult was made. Go back to Nixon and his Checker's speech on a cloth coat. And so on.
Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:34 AM (CXr4y)

It hasn't been mentioned because for decades the GOP thought they could deceive gullible Christians without actually delivering on American priorities. The Democrats abandoning the working class goes back to NAFTA, but the pandemic made it official. It's the reason Trump got so many votes and the reason why no one else can duplicate it outside their home states.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (igJSL)

226 207 IrishEi said it best:

This stuns me.

Corruption in every corner of our government, fraud filled elections, and back-stabbing by those who are "on our side," but I'm done with the one outsider who has tried to expose it all and who did more to help bring us back from the brink than anyone else in my lifetime.

Because he insults people.

People who have probably tried to destroy him.
Posted by: Tracy at November 12, 2022 08:41 AM (zr2ET)

Certainly thoughtful.

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (r8enq)

227 Guess what, if McConnell and McCarthy tanked winnable elections to get Trump, you should be pissed off at them and DeSantis/Youngkin if they knew or approved of such a scheme.

--

There's no "if" any longer.

There was no Republican plan to deal with inflation. No one can link to the Republican document. It didn't exist.

Add to that the financial campaign elements like Mitch pulling money from Arizona and backing Murkowski.

This was an intentional plan. I'm fairly certain the Republicans had more to do with it than the Democrats.

Posted by: Gray Man - Look for rainbow books at your kids library, press charges against librarians at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (F9ExA)

228 I can't take a Trump-DeSantis brew here
for two years. Or anywhere for that matter.

Posted by: Ziba at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (4h9M3)

229 Trump ruined his own presidency. He promised us that he was the greatest negotiator of all time, but he couldn't figure out how to come out ahead in a negotiation with anyone in Washington. They rolled him every single time.

So instead of wasting his time with these treacherous jackals, he managed to get peace in the Middle East, brought down our taxes, reduced regulation, made America energy independent, saw record employment and income gain across the demographic board, opened the world's eyes to The Deep State, kept Hillary out of the Oval Office, brought back industry from China, nearly flat-lined inflation and brought so much prosperity back that low-lifes and ne're-do-wells could have the time and money to explore new depths of personal and social depravity.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (3hSHB)

230 After watching 2020 get stolen in front of our eyes, watching people rot in jail for parading in the capital.

Posted by: spypeach
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If only there was a president who could have pardoned all the Capitol protestors!

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (/0Tm1)

231 Wise guy, eh?
Posted by: Curly at November 12, 2022 08:41 AM (DhOHl)

Spread out, lame brain!

Posted by: Moe Howard at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (4I/2K)

232 "The "Plan" that was hatched by the McFailure wing of the GOP was to offer the nomination to DeSantis. The GOP would provide funding, support, and a clear path to the nomination. If DeSantis declined the offer, the second choice is Glenn Youngkin."
...

And yet, people still delude themselves into thinking that voting matters.

Posted by: Damiano at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (U46Me)

233 Predictably, many of the TDS types in here were saying that "Trump foolishly took the bait", but they were the ones taking the bait.

7 years of this stuff, and they never learn.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (hOOi9)

234 I hope we get running with scissors soon.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (45fpk)

hi, grammie. this is the preview of the next 2 years !

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (V13WU)

235 216 194 Do the people here that are ardent DeSantis supporters believe he can revive the economy?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 12, 2022 08:39 AM (Zl+xh

Why not? Let’s face it, we will be in a recession likely until mid 2024. Reducing taxes, cutting government regulation, and dealing tough with China isn’t only unique to Trump. 2024 should set up similar to 1980, without the 15% prime rate.
Posted by: Tofer732 at November 12, 2022 08:43 AM (fatpD)

Cutting government regulation is pretty unique to Trump. Reagan didn't cut, Bushes didn't cut, Nixon didn't cut, Eisenhower didn't cut, Hoover didn't cut. Obviously none of the Ds cut.

Literally the last one was Coolidge. Nearly 100 years dude.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (eYoxG)

236 Hiya Grammie!

Posted by: JT at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (T4tVD)

237 TRUMP SMASH!
Posted by: fd
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Thread winnah!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) cancel your NY Post at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (yikp0)

238 1) The Democrats mysteriously having a massive turnout collapse in Florida that wasn't duplicated anywhere else in the country

Same thing happened in Ohio. Maybe a popular governor cruising to re-election had something to do with Dem turnout?

Posted by: Tofer732 at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (fatpD)

239 Reminder that Trump knew that his biggest supporters, who put their lives and livelihoods on the line to keep him in power, were unjustly arrested, and yet he pardoned not a single one of them.

Everyone who is sitting in jail for the January 6th protest is there because Trump didn't pardon them.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:46 AM (/0Tm1)

240 220 I hope we get running with scissors soon.
Posted by: grammie winger

That reminds me I have to ask Santa for a knife and scissor sharpener

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 12, 2022 08:46 AM (2xlV3)

241 Absolutely amazing how backwards you have this.. Google "Trump second term Hannity" and look what Trump told that Irish meathead when he asked him what his goals for his second term were. Trump couldn't identity a single thing. Not one thing!

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:43 AM (/0Tm1)

"This is what Google says about Trump?" That sounds like a truly hopeless queef, MP. And it relies on deceit just as much as Bloomberg/ Soros does.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (igJSL)

242 218 if that happens Trump will go down as the greatest socialist in American history. I am not predicting it, but if it happens his name is mud.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (RtYWK)

243 >>> So when we lose the House (which it looking like we will)—none if this will matter.

Exactly. Hobb's is singing this today: Merrily we cheat along. Cheat along. Cheat along....

Posted by: Ziba at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (4h9M3)

244 Absolutely amazing how backwards you have this.. Google "Trump second term Hannity" and look what Trump told that Irish meathead when he asked him what his goals for his second term were. Trump couldn't identity a single thing. Not one thing!

Trump doesn't want to accomplish Jack fucking shit. He just wants to be president, mostly too settle personal scores against Adam Schiff.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
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Well I can tell you that people do this thing, you will destroy the GOP party to where it won't win jack shit.

You do it in the open through a process called primaries. Not in the dark under false flags.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (CXr4y)

245 You do the shit in the open, no coordinated hit. Guess what, you will lose badly--the thirty percent that you estimate of Trump followers will simply stay home because it is not about winning elections but fixing the damn country and that means most of what the corporate class wants in this country has to be killed dead as a doornail.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (CXr4y)

There is no "hit", as far as I can tell. There's a much simpler explanation that makes a lot more sense. They want to clear the field so that the anti-Trump voters don't split their vote. I don't blame Trump (or you) for not liking it. But a "hit" implies something else, and that, along with all the other unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, really doesn't have any evidence to support it.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (Gu48G)

246 1) The Democrats mysteriously having a massive turnout collapse in Florida that wasn't duplicated anywhere else in the country

Same thing happened in Ohio. Maybe a popular governor cruising to re-election had something to do with Dem turnout?

==

pssst *Early voting , republicans mastered it in FL
or so I hear....

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (V13WU)

247 228 I can't take a Trump-DeSantis brew here
for two years. Or anywhere for that matter.
Posted by: Ziba at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (4h9M3)

Maybe we could confine it to specially marked threads.

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (r8enq)

248 If DeSantis is allowed to win, we'll have to wonder why that is.

Posted by: Gray Man - Look for rainbow books at your kids library, press charges against librarians at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (F9ExA)

249 Ben Had, no one individual can turn this country (world) around, except of course Jesus, the powers that be ain't going to accept that. GOD will turn the next page. Soon I pray.

Posted by: Eromero at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (s7zHM)

250 hi, grammie. this is the preview of the next 2 years !

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (V13WU)

Two years? I'll have to find another blog. Maybe pop in for the Sunday Book Thread.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (45fpk)

251 How does DeSantis cut regulation, reduce taxes and regulation if the Congress is D controlled?

Posted by: Ben Had at November 12, 2022 08:48 AM (Zl+xh)

252 217 The GOP just wants to clear the field against Trump. If Trump is really as popular as he and his most diehard supporters believe, then Trump will easily defeat DeSantis. After all, Trump got a million more votes in FL in 2020 than DeSantis did in 2022--it will be a blowout!
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 08:43 AM (Gu48G)

It's primarily DeSantis supporters whining about Trump attacking DeSantis.

Look, nobody gives a damn that Trump is mean tweeting about political opponents. Complaining that he isn't babying them just makes them look weak.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 08:48 AM (eYoxG)

253 229 "So instead of wasting his time with these treacherous jackals, he managed to get peace in the Middle East, brought down our taxes, reduced regulation, made America energy independent, saw record employment and income gain across the demographic board, opened the world's eyes to The Deep State, kept Hillary out of the Oval Office, brought back industry from China, nearly flat-lined inflation and brought so much prosperity back that low-lifes and ne're-do-wells could have the time and money to explore new depths of personal and social depravity."

You left out that he appointed 3 SCOTUS justices, resulting in Roe v Wade being overturned. "Trump ruined his own presidency"? Wow. The TDS is STRONG with THAT one.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2022 08:48 AM (hOOi9)

254 Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 08:45 AM (3hSHB)

You have to realize, when certain Stans ignore all that, it's because it doesn't matter to them. So what does matter? Bush era abortion policies? Whatever Ken Griffin pays them to say? Who knows, but it's definitely why I'm not gambling on DeSantis just yet.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 08:48 AM (igJSL)

255 >>Same thing happened in Ohio. Maybe a popular governor cruising to re-election had something to do with Dem turnout?

And the opposite happened in places like PA with their idiotic mail in voting. It was a Democrat wipeout that even got a dead guy elected.

Bottom line is that if these crappy election procedures in places like PA and AZ and NV aren't fixed some of these races will be out of reach to us no matter who runs.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:48 AM (ZLI7S)

256 More coffee...

Posted by: dantesed at November 12, 2022 08:48 AM (88xKn)

257 Hiya JT!

Posted by: grammie winger at November 12, 2022 08:49 AM (45fpk)

258 Two years? I'll have to find another blog. Maybe pop in for the Sunday Book Thread.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 12, 2022 08:47 AM (45fpk)

*notes that grammie did not say CBD's cookery thread..

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:49 AM (V13WU)

259 228 I can't take a Trump-DeSantis brew here
for two years. Or anywhere for that matter.
Posted by: Ziba
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I have no beef with DeSantis if he comes out and beats Trump in the primaries or before then. But, he cannot play a fan dance and footsie with the likes of mega donor slimeball Griffith and expect to be regarded as Mr. Clean.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:49 AM (CXr4y)

260 251 How does DeSantis cut regulation, reduce taxes and regulation if the Congress is D controlled?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 12, 2022 08:48 AM (Zl+xh)

The President has some ability to cut regulation via executive order and nominal control over the bureaucracy. Taxes require the legislature so no go. I'm not particularly fussed about current rates though.

I wouldn't wager we'd see a net reduction in regulation under DeSantis though. That's hard to do and not necessarily a focus. It hasn't been a focus for any President besides Trump in nearly 100 years.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 08:49 AM (eYoxG)

261 Then why are DeSantis' most diehard supporters whining?

It's '24 primary time. Let the games begin.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (ZLI7S)

I don't know and I don't care, I haven't seen them. But their candidate isn't, so they're doing a real disservice to him if they are. At least Trump and his loyalists are all on the same page with their approach.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 08:50 AM (Gu48G)

262 101
I feel like I'm reliving the waning days of Little Green Footballs.

Posted by: IrishEi at November 12, 2022 08:20 AM

No evolution thread. Yet.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 12, 2022 08:21 AM (y3pKJ)

Little Green Footballs...

Now that's a name I have not heard in a very long time.

I miss the old days of chasing "mad blogg money". Never got any but it's not the kill it's the thrill of the chase.

I miss Jawareport too. Wonder what ever happened to Darth Odie and Rusty.

Posted by: Reforger at November 12, 2022 08:50 AM (JBiu+)

263 You left out that he appointed 3 SCOTUS justices, resulting in Roe v Wade being overturned. "Trump ruined his own presidency"? Wow. The TDS is STRONG with THAT one.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2022 08:48 AM (hOOi9)

Oh yeah, thanks for that. The more Wall Street jackals make it clear that DeSantis is Above Such Things, the more Trump's base will be hardened against any voting for DeSantis.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 08:50 AM (igJSL)

264 *notes that grammie did not say CBD's cookery thread..

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:49 AM (V13WU)

No one but no one wants grammie in the kitchen

Posted by: grammie winger at November 12, 2022 08:50 AM (45fpk)

265 All of this is a tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Posted by: The Scottish Play Dude at November 12, 2022 08:50 AM (4I/2K)

266 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 12, 2022 08:50 AM (yQpMk)

267 AlaBAMA unfortunately has it exactly right. Trump loses the primary after flinging shit on every other GOP candidate, then runs as an independent, giving Dopey Joe a second term.

Posted by: Candidus at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (469KY)

268 Yeah, I think once this election is settled and the balance of power decided, most likely with the Donks maintaining control of both chambers, The Junta is going to move on Trump.

I don't think they are going to f**k around any longer and are going to fix the Trump glitch once and for all.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (up/3i)

269 You are so right, we will all just fall in line with the what the uniparty wants.
Posted by: spypeach

The blatant cheatlection of Fetterman over Oz was a not so subtle message from our betters that if they want an ugly Democrat vegetable to be in office, that's what will happen, and your anti-vegetable vote is incidental to the designed final outcome!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (hOUT3)

270 How in the fuck is Paul Ryan still a player in GOPe games?

Posted by: davidt at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (oTZbj)

271 Why is it there is never one single name associated with these kinds of stories.
Posted by: Mister Scott

*******

The "I'm Hearing From People in a Position to Know" gambit.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (kXYt5)

272 Y'all do recall WHO is the guilty party here, right?

Maybe put down the baseball bats with Trump or DeSantis carved into them, and focus on who is doing this to you.

It isn't Trump or DeSantis.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (5p7BC)

273 Desantis isn’t the conservative that the machine claims him to be; milquetoast at best.

Desantis passed the largest budget in our history (even on a per capita basis).

We still have red flag laws and still have to be 21 to purchase firearms. Ranked 30th in gun rights.

We have become a destination state for abortion seekers because of our liberal laws.

A $1B tax enforcement for online sales was recently signed into law.

Still don’t have complete school choice.

We did shut down for Covid via EO.

Etc etc

Posted by: Bret at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (jBFnv)

274 252 "Look, nobody gives a damn that Trump is mean tweeting about political opponents. Complaining that he isn't babying them just makes them look weak."

Not true! The fragile snowflakes in here that need a safe space every time he does that care a LOT! It chews up all their time, curling up into a fetal position, and sucking their thumbs...

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (hOOi9)

275 Nope.

Desantis has fought for Floridians like a junkyard dog, and said nothing bad about Trump. I watched the tape of trump talking trash about Desantis.

That's finished me for Trump. No more money to the man, no more support. You don't trash the only champion of the last 2 years.

G

Posted by: GeePer at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (QC9m/)

276 Oh I hate Trump. Everything is going swimmingly . We are in debt up to our eyebrows, junior and little miss are off to an overpriced marxist kollege and we have 5 cars and an SUV in the driveway while hubby is off with his side piece after a hard day at his sinecure federal job. And just because I'm 45 plus does not mean I can't have an abortion if I want one dammit!

Oh, I hate Trump!

More wine...

Posted by: Wine Mom Who Votes at November 12, 2022 08:52 AM (R/m4+)

277 "This is what Google says about Trump?" That sounds like a truly hopeless queef, MP. And it relies on deceit just as much as Bloomberg/ Soros does.
Posted by: trev006
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So it's your belief that Google has put fake quotes in its search result on pages that it doesn't controls to show that Trump couldn't articulate any goals for his second term. That's something you honestly believe.

I'm not going to be nice. You are retarded. You are actually retarded.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:52 AM (/0Tm1)

278
3) By far the most significant, Powerline and Instapundit joining with National Review, Salem Media and the NPC left to declare Trump Must Go.
Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 08:41 AM (igJSL)
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Powerline was never into Trump from the beginning. They weren't as anti Trump as NR back in 2015 but that site has been a joke for years. The guys over there live in a political world that vanished long ago. Salem Media, too.

Again, if DeSantis is that bad then Trump better make the case that he has not made yet. Because he is coming across as an ass by people he needs in his corner.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 12, 2022 08:52 AM (RG7Wy)

279 It is not about falling in line, it's a coincidence that who they want is what suits us. Does not happen very often. But, they are not stupid. They know DeSAntis is a winner. No reason to paint him as some kind of Gope acolyte.
Posted by: runner

The kind of money already coming in from the kind of GOPe scum who I despise to support DeSantis raises a HUGE red flag for me.

Posted by: Biergood at November 12, 2022 08:52 AM (FQWHA)

280 Yeah PDT was a failure and we would have been better off with President Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:52 AM (sn5EN)

281
All I can say is that the hurricane blew through on Tuesday and there's some big winners and some big losers. There will be major realignments, because there must. Will the gavel be wrestled away from Nancy Pelosi for the last time? Give me that, at the very least.

Meanwhile Trump is okay by me, I haven't seen anything by DeSantis that is worrisome, and getting McConnell out the door seems imminent.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 12, 2022 08:52 AM (y3pKJ)

282 Trump loses the primary after flinging shit on every other GOP candidate, then runs as an independent, giving Dopey Joe a second term.
Posted by: Candidus at

-

That's the consequences of people losing faith in elections and their representatives.

Posted by: Gray Man - Look for rainbow books at your kids library, press charges against librarians at November 12, 2022 08:53 AM (F9ExA)

283 It's primarily DeSantis supporters whining about Trump attacking DeSantis.

Look, nobody gives a damn that Trump is mean tweeting about political opponents. Complaining that he isn't babying them just makes them look weak.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 08:48 AM (eYoxG)

Actually all the anti-Trumpers are complaining, not just DeSantis supporters. But at least DeSantis himself isn't. It's really awful when the candidate is out there complaining about being treated badly.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 08:53 AM (Gu48G)

284 He is damaging himself more with this mouth (or as some here call mean tweets) , DeSantis or Y, they are not damaged. If anything, those who are reped by Trump , either R or Independents will liek them more. I suspect it is Trump and his people (if he has any) who started the rumor Dave cited. You can hire people to do shit like that. Hit social media.

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:53 AM (V13WU)

285 We are like orcs hungry for meat

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 12, 2022 08:53 AM (2xlV3)

286 Still need to remove GOP leadership from the House and Senate. The crux of the biscuit is McConnell and McCarthy. And their supporters.

Not just demoted.

Expelled.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 12, 2022 08:53 AM (Q4IgG)

287 *reped - repelled

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:53 AM (V13WU)

288 It isn't Trump or DeSantis.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (5p7BC)

Fucking Todd.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 12, 2022 08:53 AM (6FeV1)

289 267 AlaBAMA unfortunately has it exactly right. Trump loses the primary after flinging shit on every other GOP candidate, then runs as an independent, giving Dopey Joe a second term.
Posted by: Candidus at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (469KY)

Trump has a track record of endorsing people who hate him for the sake of party unity.

This scuffle is happening after the elections and office-taking.

Just asserting that Trump is treacherous has the problem of track record. Trump is the guy who didn't betray his voters. Trump is the guy who stuck with the party that largely betrayed him.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 08:53 AM (eYoxG)

290 There is no "hit", as far as I can tell. There's a much simpler explanation that makes a lot more sense. They want to clear the field so that the anti-Trump voters don't split their vote. I don't blame Trump (or you) for not liking it. But a "hit" implies something else, and that, along with all the other unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, really doesn't have any evidence to support it.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA
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Read the day after coverage in place after place with story after story. The fact that you did not see it is because you did not look for it.

Trump was blamed for the poor GOP performance across the board by PJ Media, Insty pundit, NR, The NY Post, Fox News, radio shows, and strangely enough new nics that appeared here and starting spouting off the same lines as in the media.

Notice not one word in those stories criticized McCarthy for running an issue free campaign, not one word in those stories blamed McConnell for both no message and for tanking candidates by denying them money. Go back read posts here on Wednesday and those articles that day. Get back to me when you have done your homework.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:54 AM (CXr4y)

291 272 Y'all do recall WHO is the guilty party here, right?

Maybe put down the baseball bats with Trump or DeSantis carved into them, and focus on who is doing this to you.

It isn't Trump or DeSantis.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (5p7BC)

You need a bigger whistle.

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 08:54 AM (r8enq)

292 Cocaine Mitch would rather run his mean girl clique in the minority and keep collecting that sweet grift, than actually have to put in the work of being the majority leader. Get ready for a "path to citizenship" in the next Congress while Yertle shrugs his shoulders as says "There's nothing we can do" and sends out another fund raising letter. Mitch needs to leave and take Frank Luntz's pool boy with him.

Posted by: Stacy0311 at November 12, 2022 08:54 AM (VfLe7)

293 218 Trump will run. Probably as an Indy.
DeSantis will be the Republican nominee.
Biden will win.

Ross Perot II. Electric boogaloo.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM

It's quite possible...and I'm okay with it, I think. If Trump runs as an Indy, DeSantis won't blow his shot running in a sure loser campaign, though. It'll be a Dole/Romney type old warhorse party guy getting a final payout...much like Bernie the last few times.

Republicans will have to win at the state level to hold back progressive advances, or lose, and we hasten the fall and national divorce. I'm stocked up on food and ammo, and in a red state, so may as well get it over with while I'm still, uh, 29.

Posted by: Moron Analyst, more blackpilled at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (NCgXW)

294 For all the great things the founding fathers gave us, not imposing term limits on all elected offices has been disastrous. These people taste power and engorge themselves on it like ticks, fattening up and digging in for all eternity.

Posted by: DJ at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (O3/K+)

295 The kind of money already coming in from the kind of GOPe scum who I despise to support DeSantis raises a HUGE red flag for me.
Posted by: Biergood at November 12, 2022 08:52 AM (FQWHA)

LOl, how do you think politics work ? as long as he does not take money from Ukraine....

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (V13WU)

296 251 I get you are against Desantis for some reason. He is the winningest conservative in years.

But if Desantis wins the presidency in 2024, the chances are great that the R’s win congress too.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (RtYWK)

297 >>I don't know and I don't care, I haven't seen them. But their candidate isn't, so they're doing a real disservice to him if they are. At least Trump and his loyalists are all on the same page with their approach.

Anyone who has been watching Trump's rallies over the last year knew that Trump was running in '24. He's been trying to build a governing coalition in Congress and the states with people who are supportive of the America First agenda and teasing a run to be announced after the midterms.

It's been equally obvious that the establishment hates and fears him and would like nothing better than for him to be taken down. Have you noticed how the establishment GOP has been going after the Biden DOJ for unprecedented harassment of a former Republican president? Nobody else has either.

They hate each other. I'm on the side of hating the establishment that has done nothing but stick a knife in my back for years. Trump is my weapon and anyone who supports the establishment is not on my side.

Pick a team and support them vigorously but don't be coy. These are the stakes.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (ZLI7S)

298 Wow, look at this thread. You'd never realize we were losing. The delays are working!

Posted by: Dems at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (yZlY6)

299 Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (dO/0d)

300 "MAGA" as an explicitly anti-GOPe force hasn't quite permeated to the electorate as a whole. This would (will?) look much different if (when?) it finally does.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (6FeV1)

301 "Desantis isn’t the conservative that the machine claims him to be; milquetoast at best."

Yet he's been SO much better than most. The bar is REALLY low.

Think about it. He made just a FEW significant election integrity improvements, and suddenly perpetually-purple FL is almost as red as any state. He didn't even get rid of the goddamn voting machines!

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (hOOi9)

302
Actually all the anti-Trumpers are complaining, not just DeSantis supporters. But at least DeSantis himself isn't. It's really awful when the candidate is out there complaining about being treated badly.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 08:53 AM (Gu48G)

The NTs are putting DeSantis in a tough position. It'd be best if he could distance themselves from them. But politics isn't an easy game so it's time to show what he can do if he really hopes to run in 2024.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (eYoxG)

303 This civil war amongst Reps for the next two years will lead to losing the state of Fl to the Dems in 2024.

Posted by: Floridachick at November 12, 2022 08:55 AM (X8MxD)

304 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 12, 2022 08:50 AM (yQpMk)

Huzzah!

Posted by: The Scottish Play Dude at November 12, 2022 08:56 AM (4I/2K)

305 @278

>>Powerline was never into Trump from the beginning.

They're also all from Minnesota, which is not exactly a hot bed of fire-breathing conservatism.

Bush, Romney and Sasse are their type of "conservative."

Sadly, it look like even milk toast, white bread GOPe type can't even win anymore.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 08:56 AM (up/3i)

306 Maybe put down the baseball bats with Trump or DeSantis carved into them, and focus on who is doing this to you.

It isn't Trump or DeSantis.
Posted by: Dave in Fla

Hah! You didn't say anything about putting down knives!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 12, 2022 08:56 AM (2xlV3)

307 You need to build coalitions in politics. Wise and good policy is an orphan in today's corridors of power.

We pragmatists held off the long night (Flandry of Terra reference) through Clinton, Obama, and Bush. But not under Biden. The trajectory is to failure as a nation. Local is where it is at.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 12, 2022 08:56 AM (u82oZ)

308 How does DeSantis cut regulation, reduce taxes and regulation if the Congress is D controlled?
Posted by: Ben Had

He does what ever he can with Executive Orders AND using the bully pulpit of the Presidency ceaselessly and authoritatively pointing out the malfeasance of the enshrined political class to the citizens suffering under the rule of their self-appointed betters! And crafting a mid-term strategy and candidate base that agrees with his vision of the future!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 08:57 AM (hOUT3)

309 24 The GOP must be smashed. I only see one hammer.
Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:05 AM (sn5EN)
________
Unfortunately, DePape is ineligible.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 12, 2022 08:57 AM (TgBWG)

310 You left out that he appointed 3 SCOTUS justices, resulting in Roe v Wade being overturned. "Trump ruined his own presidency"? Wow. The TDS is STRONG with THAT one.
Posted by: Optimizer
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Yes, the Supreme Court picks we great. He gets an A- because of Kav, and Gorsuch going left on trannies. But Trump outsourced his judicial picks to the Federalist Society and Cocaine Mitch rammed them through.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:57 AM (/0Tm1)

311 Maybe put down the baseball bats with Trump or DeSantis carved into them, and focus on who is doing this to you.

It isn't Trump or DeSantis.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at November 12, 2022 08:51 AM (5p7BC
......

Amen. Thank you, Dave in FL

Posted by: Ziba at November 12, 2022 08:57 AM (4h9M3)

312 Personally, I voted for Trump in 2016, voted for Trump in 2020, and if he's the nominee, I'll vote for him in 2024. I'm not sure I'll vote for him in the primary, but I'm not willing to swear my commitment to that right now, no matter how upsetting that is to people. If Trump runs as an Independent (which I predict he will), then I will not vote for him, because that will hand the election to the Democrats. But a lot of Trump loyalists would be happy with that, so I do think this is a somewhat likely outcome.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 08:57 AM (Gu48G)

313 The kind of money already coming in from the kind of GOPe scum who I despise to support DeSantis raises a HUGE red flag for me.
Posted by: Biergood at November 12, 2022 08:52 AM (FQWHA)

LOl, how do you think politics work ? as long as he does not take money from Ukraine....
Posted by: runner

Exactly how it's always worked. They expect to get a lot for all that money.

Posted by: Biergood at November 12, 2022 08:58 AM (FQWHA)

314 Pick a team and support them vigorously but don't be coy. These are the stakes.
Posted by: JackStraw

Yup

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 12, 2022 08:58 AM (2xlV3)

315 That is nonsense that no one is blaming McConnell - Rubio already challenged him for leadership, a number of others did over his failures. "McConnell faces brewing discontent from Senate Republicans" - simple search will show this. "McConnell Faces mutiny", another headline - right there at HuffPO.

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 08:58 AM (V13WU)

316
Bottom line is that if these crappy election procedures in places like PA and AZ and NV aren't fixed some of these races will be out of reach to us no matter who runs.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:48 AM

Pennsylvania won't be fixed, forget it. The new (D) Governor appoints the SOS. At best all we can hope for is early mail in voting counts so it doesn't take two weeks to decide the winners.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 12, 2022 08:59 AM (y3pKJ)

317 Dave in Fla

Thank you for the illumination. Your analysis underpins understanding what is really going on.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at November 12, 2022 08:59 AM (u82oZ)

318 I'm not going to be nice. You are retarded. You are actually retarded.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
-------------------------------
You know that when you start attacking commenters with personal insults that usually calls for a time out.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:59 AM (CXr4y)

319 Golly Moses I miss krakatoa's non-content.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 12, 2022 08:59 AM (45fpk)

320 286 Still need to remove GOP leadership from the House and Senate. The crux of the biscuit is McConnell and McCarthy. And their supporters.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 12, 2022 08:53 AM

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Posted by: Pete Townshend, warming up for one last tour at November 12, 2022 08:59 AM (NCgXW)

321 For all the great things the founding fathers gave us, not imposing term limits on all elected offices has been disastrous. These people taste power and engorge themselves on it like ticks, fattening up and digging in for all eternity.
Posted by: DJ

Once you have figured out how to get your hand in the public till, it seems like such a waste to ever take it out again!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 09:00 AM (hOUT3)

322 Exactly how it's always worked. They expect to get a lot for all that money.
Posted by: Biergood at November 12, 2022 08:58 AM (FQWHA)

they'll get something, we will get what we want too

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 09:00 AM (V13WU)

323 At this point, I don't think our problems can be solved whichever wing of the GOP wins out.

We are so far gone that it's really over except for the shouting.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 09:00 AM (up/3i)

324 Morning all. We keep playing the wrong game (me included). We send money to good candidates, vote, and do everything like in the old days. THEY are playing a different game, and getting away with it for a variety of reasons that are cover for cheating. It's been obvious for years, but lately it has become predominant.
All the talk about candidates is 'old way.' It doesn't matter who our candidate is.

Posted by: goatexchange at November 12, 2022 09:00 AM (APPN8)

325 Nood

Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 09:00 AM (sn5EN)

326 they'll get something, we will get what we want too
Posted by: runner

What's that? A GOPe puppet?

Posted by: Biergood at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (FQWHA)

327 >>But a lot of Trump loyalists would be happy with that, so I do think this is a somewhat likely outcome.

You had me until the end. No, I do not agree that Trump will run as an Indie and no I do not want a Democrat back in the White House. I don't know any Trump supporter that does.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (ZLI7S)

328 292 Cocaine Mitch would rather run his mean girl clique in the minority and keep collecting that sweet grift, than actually have to put in the work of being the majority leader.

You STILL don't get it. It's not about "putting in the work", it's about playing his part in the criminal Uniparty syndicate. Trump's success would ultimately expose them all, and they would not like what happens to them if that happens.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (hOOi9)

329 The GOP just wants to clear the field against Trump. If Trump is really as popular as he and his most diehard supporters believe, then Trump will easily defeat DeSantis. After all, Trump got a million more votes in FL in 2020 than DeSantis did in 2022--it will be a blowout!
Then why are DeSantis' most diehard supporters whining?

It's '24 primary time. Let the games begin.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:44 AM (ZLI7S)

Yes, exactly.

They're both big boys. Come out swinging and may the best man win.

We know everything or most everything by now about Trump, let's find out about DeSantis, if he really wants to run. Youngkin too, if he really wants to run.

Does DeSantis, does Youngkin have a national constituency? Let's find out.

What are their differences in policy with Trump? What will they do differently than Trump? How will they expand the MAGA vote?
Let's find out.

Are they going to push for a Bush-style "Kinder Gentler MAGA" Let's find out.

Are they mere stalking horses who are being used by the GOPe to get rid of Trump, and if/when they do, they lose that support so a Pence or Jeb! can grab the nom? Let's find out.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (KLPy8)

330 Personally, I voted for Trump in 2016, voted for Trump in 2020, and if he's the nominee, I'll vote for him in 2024. I'm not sure I'll vote for him in the primary, but I'm not willing to swear my commitment to that right now, no matter how upsetting that is to people. If Trump runs as an Independent (which I predict he will), then I will not vote for him, because that will hand the election to the Democrats. But a lot of Trump loyalists would be happy with that, so I do think this is a somewhat likely outcome.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 08:57 AM (Gu48G)
******
That would be the only way I wouldn't vote for Trump is if he went independent.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (NpAcC)

331 >>Powerline was never into Trump from the beginning.

They're also all from Minnesota, which is not exactly a hot bed of fire-breathing conservatism.

Bush, Romney and Sasse are their type of "conservative."

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 08:56 AM (up/3i)

That's not true at all. It was true of Paul Mirengoff, an absolute NeverTrumper. The rest of them have all ranged from Trump fans to Trump defenders, but none of them are Romney/Sasse types. There was a very public blow-up between the bloggers there, and Mirengoff was cast out. Yes, they seem to be fed up with Trump at this point. But it's completely false to claim they were NeverTrump from the start. Trump and his supporters would *really* be better served by being more honest.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (Gu48G)

332 I don’t buy the Desantis bashing here for a second. It is vapid, forced, and anything but organic. Next they will tell me g. Gordon Liddy was a lib. I get supporting your man Trump. My guess is I did that more than most. But this is just sad, attacking Desantis now is dumb, Trump dumb if I must coin a phrase.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (RtYWK)

333 I'm not going to be nice. You are retarded. You are actually retarded.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
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You know that when you start attacking commenters with personal insults that usually calls for a time out.
Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:59 AM (CXr4y)

lol, pot meet kettle, you attacked me the other day, so ...why are you immune ??

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (V13WU)

334 “ The kind of money already coming in from the kind of GOPe scum who I despise to support DeSantis raises a HUGE red flag for me.”

Why? He doesn’t go on Twitter and mock Mika’s plastic surgery scar leaks? He doesn’t nearly have his press-secretary dispute the described penile deformities laid out by a porn star he cheated with on Melania?

I can’t IMAGINE why people who want to win would put their money behind a guy that can actually do it, and not just talk shit.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (t0YNL)

335 @Peoples_Pundit
...
"@GOP leader Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan have hatched a plan to defeat MAGA iin 2024 and Ron DeSantis is the stool."

Is the stool? Is the tool?

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 09:02 AM (r8enq)

336 Hilarious conversation with my college roommate, who now lives in suburban Philly. Big Democrat. Anyway, I was laughing about Fenstermonster and the dead guy and asked him if he'd sobered up enough yet to realize what he'd elected. His response was "well, I hope Republicans get the message!" and (presumably) stop trying to elect semi-fascist culture warriors.

Anyway, I acknowledged the GOP sucks, Oz sucked, Mastriano sucked, but asked him if it was worth it to stick it to the cons by electing a dead guy and a retard?

Silence. Maybe I'll buy him dinner and rub it in some more.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2022 09:02 AM (U+tJ3)

337 What a lively conversation for a lazy Saturday morning.

Posted by: Tuna at November 12, 2022 09:02 AM (gLRfa)

338 319 Golly Moses I miss krakatoa's non-content.
Posted by: grammie winge

He had an actual full sentence today. Missed that thread.
I do not feel like I'm living in the Jetson's world though

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 12, 2022 09:02 AM (2xlV3)

339 315 That is nonsense that no one is blaming McConnell - Rubio already challenged him for leadership, a number of others did over his failures. "McConnell faces brewing discontent from Senate Republicans" - simple search will show this. "McConnell Faces mutiny", another headline - right there at HuffPO.
Posted by: runner
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Runner, the op was done on Wednesday when the coordinated hit occurred. That is when news readership is the highest is when people turn to the news to find out who won.

Manipulating people is a science because you push their buttons and people react. Primacy and Immediacy are the terms used. Be the first with the story and people remember it. No one remembers the corrections or backsliding afterwards.

You want an example close to home--coverage of Ukraine invasion in the West.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:02 AM (CXr4y)

340 The bigger picture is the GOP wedding itself to failure theater and not our conservative bench. McCarthy and Mitch have been sabotaging us, not just Trump, us, for years now. Even Rubio can see this.

Posted by: CN at November 12, 2022 09:02 AM (Zzbjj)

341 Quint, I am not against DeSantis. I want answers to questions about policy and what can be accomplished.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 12, 2022 09:03 AM (Zl+xh)

342 Those of us focused on who is electable Trump or DeSantis I think are still missing the big picture.
Neither one is going to win as things stand now. That makes the question, who is going to turn things around in the GOP before the nomination happens?

As I said this last night, Trump has the cohones to take on the machine, I just don't think he has the advisors.
DeSantis hasn't shown he's willing to take on the machine, meaning his own Party. If he doesn't say anything soon about this election debacle, he ain't showing much leadership.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 12, 2022 09:03 AM (qH6FZ)

343 Need a 3rd way.

Posted by: Garbone at November 12, 2022 09:03 AM (OcGS+)

344 >>I can’t IMAGINE why people who want to win would put their money behind a guy that can actually do it, and not just talk shit.

Because he's already done it twice. Or had that little detail escaped your notice?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 09:03 AM (ZLI7S)

345 What's that? A GOPe puppet?
Posted by: Biergood at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (FQWHA)

you are going in circles

Posted by: runner at November 12, 2022 09:03 AM (V13WU)

346 We are so far gone that it's really over except for the ~~shouting~~ wailing and moaning.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at November 12, 2022 09:03 AM (hOUT3)

347 197...Worth ignoring.
Posted by: fd at November 12, 2022 08:39 AM (sn5EN)

Been doing that for a while, I have. It's time for him to go back to his bunk.

Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at November 12, 2022 09:03 AM (Rbu5d)

348 Issues don't matter if voting doesn't matter. This has to be discussed loudly by the candidates. It's the only important campaign issue moving forward.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 12, 2022 09:04 AM (HAFUI)

349 Heh. On Wednesday I used the names Trump and DeSantis in the same sentence and was accused of being a troll.

Posted by: Ziba at November 12, 2022 09:04 AM (4h9M3)

350 So it's your belief that Google has put fake quotes in its search result on pages that it doesn't controls to show that Trump couldn't articulate any goals for his second term. That's something you honestly believe.

I'm not going to be nice. You are retarded. You are actually retarded.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 08:52 AM (/0Tm1)

If you think Google doesn't manipulate search results to make their preferred narratives get the first clicks, right back atcha. You're such a pathetic doomer that being a DeSantis fan just makes him look more suspect.

I'd tell you what Trump's second term plans were, but do your own homework! Using Google, heh.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 09:04 AM (igJSL)

351 GOP leader Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan have hatched a plan to defeat MAGA iin 2024 and Ron DeSantis is the tool

The success of the Ryan plan depends on whether or not DeSantis is GOPe or MAGA. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2022 09:04 AM (U+tJ3)

352 We are so far gone that it's really over except for the shouting.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 09:00 AM (up/3i)

My only glimmer of hope is the fact that Americans as a whole are a supremely "go along to get along" sort of people. Who ever the loudest cadre of nutjobs with a grievance are, the masses will nod along and say, "Well, now, we wouldn't want anyone to feel bad, would we?" So the seeming support for the barbaric jackassery of the uniparty is likely far more illusory than real. You play the victim, people will love you. You play the bully, and people will dislike you. The freak-flag rainbow-hair brigades have made a hard pivot from victim to bully, and it's just now starting to make the longsuffering Normal American Schmuck say, "well screw these people then, if that's how they're gonna be".

And this entire analysis really only exists between my two ears.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 12, 2022 09:04 AM (6FeV1)

353 @331

>>NeverTrump from the start. Trump and his supporters would *really* be better served by being more honest.

I never said they were all NeverTrumpers just that they are more establishment GOP types, of the Minnesota variety.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 09:05 AM (up/3i)

354 ~~Michael~~ Young Trump Voter: How bad do you think it's gonna be?

~~Clemenza~~ Kellyanne Conway: Pretty goddam bad. Probably all the other ~~Families~~ GOPe leaders will line up against us. That's all right. These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ~~ten~~ years since the last one. You know, you gotta stop them at the beginning. Like they should have stopped ~~Hitler~~ Biden at ~~Munich~~ Philly, they should never let him get away with that, they was just asking for trouble.

Posted by: Movie Moron, script update at November 12, 2022 09:05 AM (NCgXW)

355 We know everything or most everything by now about Trump, let's find out about DeSantis, if he really wants to run. Youngkin too, if he really wants to run.

Does DeSantis, does Youngkin have a national constituency? Let's find out.

What are their differences in policy with Trump? What will they do differently than Trump? How will they expand the MAGA vote?
Let's find out.

Are they going to push for a Bush-style "Kinder Gentler MAGA" Let's find out.

Are they mere stalking horses who are being used by the GOPe to get rid of Trump, and if/when they do, they lose that support so a Pence or Jeb! can grab the nom? Let's find out.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (KLPy

I agree with this. Loyalty pledges at this point seem really foolish. Trump has had a 6 year public proctological exam--completely unfair and infinitely more than any politician has had to endure. We know everything about him. We know comparatively less about, well, everyone else. But that includes DeSantis and especially my state Gov, Youngkin. How about Trump lets his surrogates start questioning those guys on substantive matters, rather than making dumb jokes about their name?

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 09:05 AM (Gu48G)

356 332 I don’t buy the Desantis bashing here for a second. It is vapid, forced, and anything but organic. Next they will tell me g. Gordon Liddy was a lib. I get supporting your man Trump. My guess is I did that more than most. But this is just sad, attacking Desantis now is dumb, Trump dumb if I must coin a phrase.
Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 09:01 AM (RtYWK)

"We don't really know him yet, let's see him run." isn't a bash

"The NTs are backing him and this is reason for concern" is a simple statement of fact.

Nobody's making similar nonsensical assertions as to what you see being made about Trump.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:05 AM (eYoxG)

357 Maybe I can help.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at November 12, 2022 09:05 AM (DhOHl)

358 You know that when you start attacking commenters with personal insults that usually calls for a time out.
Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 08:59 AM (CXr4y)

I'm fine. MP has permission to attack me for as long as he likes. Poor guy needs every edge he can get. "Look at Google," seriously.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 09:05 AM (igJSL)

359 319 Golly Moses I miss krakatoa's non-content.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 12, 2022 08:59 AM (45fpk)

Krak was the previous thread. We got both!

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 09:06 AM (r8enq)

360 It's easy to forget just how clean Trump is.

It really is incredible.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 12, 2022 09:06 AM (HAFUI)

361 If DeSantis gets the nom, he will instantly become Hitler and the failure wing will continue to sabotage us. For whatever his faults, Trump was right when he pointed out that the GOP considers us enemies. Remember, they supported Liz Cheney and Mitt would not endorse Lee

Posted by: CN at November 12, 2022 09:07 AM (Zzbjj)

362 I never said they were all NeverTrumpers just that they are more establishment GOP types, of the Minnesota variety.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 09:05 AM (up/3i)

OK, my mistake. Someone did say they were against Trump from the start, and they really weren't. They are not establishment GOP types though. If there is a willingness to consider that people can be anti-GOPe but also fed up with Trump, I think you might agree.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 09:07 AM (Gu48G)

363 We pragmatists held off the long night (Flandry of Terra reference) through Clinton, Obama, and Bush. But not under Biden. The trajectory is to failure as a nation. Local is where it is at.

Amen, brother.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 09:07 AM (3hSHB)

364 Mad Max in VA has PowerLine exactly right.

And the commenters over there were very proTrump, until this week when he decided to jump up and down on his dick.

Posted by: Candidus at November 12, 2022 09:08 AM (469KY)

365 360. Yes. And he sells property and hotel rooms. Ryan, McConnell and McCarthy sell our tax money.

Posted by: CN at November 12, 2022 09:08 AM (Zzbjj)

366 360. Yes. And he sells property and hotel rooms. Ryan, McConnell and McCarthy sell ~~our tax money.~~ themselves.
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Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2022 09:09 AM (U+tJ3)

367 Again, if DeSantis is that bad then Trump better make the case that he has not made yet. Because he is coming across as an ass by people he needs in his corner.
Posted by: Colonel Travis at November 12, 2022 08:52 AM (RG7Wy)

That:d be hard, because I don't think DeSantis is "that bad" on a personal or policy level. I'd rate him at the Scott Walker level, and for most of the same reasons. But Walker took money from the wrong people, showed he wasn't going to do the necessary, and now he's a footnote even in Wisconsin.

Even if I thought Donald Trump's negatives were disqualifying, and they're not, his virtues and accomplishments outweight them so heavily that I doubt anyone can take his place just yet.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 09:09 AM (igJSL)

368 Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup

********

Threadwinner.

I think I'll go do something more productive. My toenails need trimming.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 12, 2022 09:09 AM (kXYt5)

369 336 Hilarious conversation with my college roommate, who now lives in suburban Philly. Big Democrat. Anyway, I was laughing about Fenstermonster and the dead guy and asked him if he'd sobered up enough yet to realize what he'd elected. His response was "well, I hope Republicans get the message!" and (presumably) stop trying to elect semi-fascist culture warriors.

Anyway, I acknowledged the GOP sucks, Oz sucked, Mastriano sucked, but asked him if it was worth it to stick it to the cons by electing a dead guy and a retard?

Silence. Maybe I'll buy him dinner and rub it in some more.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2022 09:02 AM (U+tJ3)

LOL

Posted by: m at November 12, 2022 09:09 AM (r8enq)

370 Instead of infighting we should be hating on McConnell and McCarthy.

Posted by: CN at November 12, 2022 09:10 AM (Zzbjj)

371 Lets look at the 2024 vs 2020 Electoral Map. In order for Trump to win, he needs to flip the following States back to Red.

NV- 6
AZ-11
GA 16
and then WI - 10

I consider PA & VA no longer competitive for Trump or any GOP candidate at this point.

Trump might be able to get NV and AZ. GA is a long shot (lets see how the run-off goes) but WI, the one purple state that could go GOP if we have the right candidate, will never go for Trump.

Posted by: WisRich at November 12, 2022 09:10 AM (qKfc+)

372 341, what questions exactly? I think you asked how Desantis could curtail inflation. Well he could try to get the state out of every part of our lives. He cut reduce the size of the federal Leviathan. He could cut taxes and tons of regulations. When in doubt send every federal worker to a petting zoo in the North Pole.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 09:10 AM (RtYWK)

373 “ Because he's already done it twice. Or had that little detail escaped your notice?”

It was sarcasm.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 09:10 AM (qvZIi)

374 362 I never said they were all NeverTrumpers just that they are more establishment GOP types, of the Minnesota variety.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 12, 2022 09:05 AM (up/3i)

OK, my mistake. Someone did say they were against Trump from the start, and they really weren't. They are not establishment GOP types though. If there is a willingness to consider that people can be anti-GOPe but also fed up with Trump, I think you might agree.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 09:07 AM (Gu48G)

Nobody is concerned about ace favoring DeSantis over Trump. What we're concerned about is the NTs are openly supporting DeSantis. And if we, who have heard other DeSantis pushers that we know aren't NTers are concerned, people who only see the NTers are going to be making some large assumptions about DeSantis.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:10 AM (eYoxG)

375 My glimmer of hope is that if the failed Red Wave produces zilch in the House (the Senate is already a fait accompli), and the country finally hits granite rock bottom, something will happen to put the ship upright again. That something could be ugly, though...

Posted by: Ziba at November 12, 2022 09:11 AM (4h9M3)

376 372 341, what questions exactly? I think you asked how Desantis could curtail inflation. Well he could try to get the state out of every part of our lives. He cut reduce the size of the federal Leviathan. He could cut taxes and tons of regulations. When in doubt send every federal worker to a petting zoo in the North Pole.
Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 09:10 AM (RtYWK)

That's you saying he's going to be Trump 2.0. DeSantis hasn't made that case for himself yet or even claimed it to be his platform. I'm not going to assess a candidate based on people trying to sell him as like another candidate.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:12 AM (eYoxG)

377 consider PA & VA no longer competitive for Trump or any GOP candidate at this point.

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That's the key. The democrats have established Democrat held fraud states, with backup fraud states like Georgia if they need them. We're watching it happen right now. Again. Same as in 2020, when nothing was done to change it.

Worse, Republicans are the ones leading THIS charge.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 12, 2022 09:13 AM (HAFUI)

378 Unlike Trump, both DeSantis and Youngkin can most definitely be bought. I'm not the biggest Trump-as-a-person fan, but DeSantis would have to play ball with the GOPe in a way that Trump didn't have to. But yet the GOPe still helped to do him in. I'm with many of the above. Voting doesn't matter anymore, and the only reason Trump won in 2016 is because the Dem fraud machine didn't think it'd have to bring its A game. This country's finished.

Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:13 AM (CHWXg)

379 Trump might be able to get NV and AZ. GA is a long shot (lets see how the run-off goes) but WI, the one purple state that could go GOP if we have the right candidate, will never go for Trump.
Posted by: WisRich at November 12, 2022 09:10 AM (qKfc+)

Why wouldn't Wisconsin go for Trump? The fraud method there wasn't necessarily repeatable iirc, and they were barely able to put Trump over the top.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:14 AM (eYoxG)

380 367 ...

That:d be hard, because I don't think DeSantis is "that bad" on a personal or policy level. I'd rate him at the Scott Walker level, and for most of the same reasons. But Walker took money from the wrong people, showed he wasn't going to do the necessary, and now he's a footnote even in Wisconsin.
...
Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 09:09 AM (igJSL)
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How, exactly did Walker show "he wasn't going to do the necessary"? Sure, he was a bland candidate in Trump's year. But while I've seen people claim he's a squish, I have never seen evidence.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 12, 2022 09:14 AM (TgBWG)

381 Didn't we see this one already? You know, with the tea party taking the fall for midterm results and then Pierre Delecto getting the hard push by the establishment class? I don't know, my memory is a little foggy these days.

Posted by: Handshakes at November 12, 2022 09:14 AM (dX2K6)

382 *barely able to put Biden over the top.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:14 AM (eYoxG)

383 "We don't really know him yet, let's see him run." isn't a bash

"The NTs are backing him and this is reason for concern" is a simple statement of fact.

Nobody's making similar nonsensical assertions as to what you see being made about Trump.

If I were to throw any doubt about DeSantis is that he had a good legislature backstopping him. Something neither DeSantis or Trump will receive EVER.

As for the NTs backing DeSantis, they will turn on him in an instant once they are done using him for side-lining Trump.

There is NO loyalty in politics.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 09:14 AM (3hSHB)

384 what questions exactly? I think you asked how Desantis could curtail inflation.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 09:10 AM (RtYWK)

Stop a crazy war against Russia that threatens to collapse European industry while keeping energy prices high throughout the West. Make trade fairer with China while being less overtly aggressive about Taiwan. DeSantis can easily slash inflation, but that's because anyone can easily slash inflation. It's the deliberate result of tribal Wall Street oligarchs implementing a Great Reset.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 09:15 AM (igJSL)

385 Trump ran in 2020 on the strength of a great economy and world peace. In the face of constant propaganda, Democrats and indie voters rejected that platform. Trump lost. He lost to a guy who never came out of his fucking basement. Trump should not get another chance to lose.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2022 09:15 AM (U+tJ3)

386 “Trump might be able to get NV and AZ. GA is a long shot (lets see how the run-off goes) but WI, the one purple state that could go GOP if we have the right candidate, will never go for Trump. “

We have BBB and Manchin as a fake swing vote because TRUMP told Georgians not to bother voting.

All of these MAGA milk-trancers don’t send to notice that we need more “r” letters than “d” letters.

They think they can re-tool a system from the minority.

Again I say—Anyone called the House races yet? I wonder why.

Because we’re going to lose the House.

Great job. At least Trump had his product line of flags.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 09:15 AM (t0YNL)

387 DeSantis is not a stupid person. They are stupid people for projecting and presenting their devious plans. DeSantis will be elected in 2024

Posted by: Linda at November 12, 2022 09:15 AM (Yrvb3)

388 "Instead of infighting we should be hating on McConnell and McCarthy."
Posted by: CN at November 12, 2022 09:10 AM (Zzbjj)

And Ronna McDaniel. And the leaders of the State GOP machines across the nation. And 95% of the beltway media Republican machine. And 95% of the elected Republicans in the states and Washington.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 12, 2022 09:15 AM (qH6FZ)

389 naturalfake, well said.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 12, 2022 09:16 AM (Zl+xh)

390 Thanks, Dave.

You raise us up; you haven't let us down. I buy it all with the exception of the personal insults to DeSantis and Youngkin. I wrote the following the 9th but decided so many know so much better than I & moved on. But here it is:

The other things that played heavily into the Dems hands was 'MAGA still plans a coup, Biden's presidency is at stake as is the 1/6 Committee." And last evening, what comes on but CNN is Mike Pence will be on Jake Tapper on the 16th. And that insufferable mouth organ who worked for the Trump administration, giving her many opinions on everything Trump & the Freedom Caucus.

Today WSJ, Opinion and Commentary: Mike Pence: My Last Days With Donald Trump. "I supported legitimate challenges to the 2020 vote counts. I also recognized that the Constitution didn’t give me authority to override the voters—and I followed my conscience on Jan. 6."

Maybe Trump is snapping because he did do so damn much for the country & the evil bastards on all sides will do their best to have him executed, maybe figuratively at this time, but... Maybe it's cautionary tales for DeSantis and Youngkin.

My thoughts. Peace.

Posted by: Lola at November 12, 2022 09:16 AM (NIYa7)

391 378 Unlike Trump, both DeSantis and Youngkin can most definitely be bought.

Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:13 AM (CHWXg)

It would have to be somebody with more money than Disney. I haven't seen it yet. Sounds like overconfident speculation. Also, can we be honest and acknowledge that Trump can be "bought" with a few kind words and a ring-kissing?

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 09:17 AM (Gu48G)

392 I might walk away from this site and politics in general for the next year. It is all going to be pointless and stupid and no amount of outrage on my part can change that. And aside from politics, all that is left here is the daily trans stupidity.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Set the Earth to fire and reshape it closer to the heart's desire at November 12, 2022 09:17 AM (NjAfK)

393 consider PA & VA no longer competitive for Trump or any GOP candidate at this point.

Only because of anonymous voting in drop boxes and by mail. Democrat operatives are collecting those ballots and returning them in the thousands and millions. End those practices, by requiring ID even on mail-in votes (DL picture) and Pennsylvania is a red state.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2022 09:18 AM (U+tJ3)

394 Trump could win GA in 2024 with Kemp as his veep. Can he mend fences?

Posted by: Tofer732 at November 12, 2022 09:19 AM (fatpD)

395 "391 378 Unlike Trump, both DeSantis and Youngkin can most definitely be bought.

Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:13 AM (CHWXg)

It would have to be somebody with more money than Disney. I haven't seen it yet. Sounds like overconfident speculation. Also, can we be honest and acknowledge that Trump can be "bought" with a few kind words and a ring-kissing?"

Disney doesn't have the infrastructure to make or break DeSantis politically.

Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:19 AM (CHWXg)

396 How, exactly did Walker show "he wasn't going to do the necessary"? Sure, he was a bland candidate in Trump's year. But while I've seen people claim he's a squish, I have never seen evidence.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 12, 2022 09:14 AM (TgBWG)

I'd love to do the homework for you, but the fact is that if Walker had any amount of authenticity he would have gone the distance. He may not have beaten Trump, but he certainly would have outpaced Rubio/ Cruz.

But that's what I mean: on an immediate and local level, he wasn't actually offensive. Voters ran away from the people he was surrounding himself with, though.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 09:19 AM (igJSL)

397 We have BBB and Manchin as a fake swing vote because TRUMP told Georgians not to bother voting.

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Nonsense.

Georgia didn't vote because they watched their representation sit back and do nothing about the fraud, or even being part of it.

Exactly like they watched happen during the last two years and are seeing culminate now, Saturday, when there are still no winners called for a Tuesday election.

Republicans can stop this any time they want. They don't want.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 12, 2022 09:19 AM (HAFUI)

398 DeSantis is not a stupid person. They are stupid people for projecting and presenting their devious plans.

Correct. I don't make my selections based on the idiotic schemes of those who hate me.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 12, 2022 09:19 AM (eOEVl)

399 393 consider PA & VA no longer competitive for Trump or any GOP candidate at this point.

Only because of anonymous voting in drop boxes and by mail. Democrat operatives are collecting those ballots and returning them in the thousands and millions. End those practices, by requiring ID even on mail-in votes (DL picture) and Pennsylvania is a red state.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2022 09:18 AM (U+tJ3)

100%. Universal mail-in balloting should be abolished. If R Govs can't do that, then the whole thing is lost and the argument around who gets to be the losing R nominee is totally pointless.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 12, 2022 09:20 AM (Gu48G)

400 This country's finished.

As a soviet of States, yes it is finished.

That is why this is all mental masturbation playing the Maryanne/Ginger game with Trump/DeSantis.

Any last hope for civilization has to go back to the basics of God, family, church and community. Since most people, according to the Bible, hate God, and many nominal Christians live according to the world's standards, so we as a civilization are indeed terminal. What slows down the inevitable is by jumping to community and by extension State.

I am encouraged somewhat by the local activism that has made red States redder and blue state bluer. It helps facilitate the hopefully less violent civil war in a demographic migration shift aka The Great Divorce™

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 09:20 AM (3hSHB)

401 Disney doesn't have the infrastructure to make or break DeSantis politically.
Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:19 AM (CHWXg)

They are a multibillion dollar conglomerate. If they thought they'd really lose a ludicrous amount of money because of a governor, Charlie Crist would have done better than 3 million votes.

Posted by: trev006 at November 12, 2022 09:21 AM (igJSL)

402 I might walk away from this site and politics in general for the next year. It is all going to be pointless and stupid and no amount of outrage on my part can change that. And aside from politics, all that is left here is the daily trans stupidity.

I did that for a few months and it was very refreshing. It is possible to be selective in which posts you choose to address, though.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 12, 2022 09:21 AM (eOEVl)

403
Why wouldn't Wisconsin go for Trump? The fraud method there wasn't necessarily repeatable iirc, and they were barely able to put Trump over the top.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:14 AM (eYoxG)
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The R's made a little headway on election reform but we reelected Evers and Josh Kaul so big election reform is off the table for 2024.

Defeated Tim Michaels was the Trump endorsed GOP candidate.

Beyond that, Trump schtick is getting old.

Posted by: WisRich at November 12, 2022 09:21 AM (qKfc+)

404 Today WSJ, Opinion and Commentary: Mike Pence: My Last Days With Donald Trump. "I supported legitimate challenges to the 2020 vote counts. I also recognized that the Constitution didn’t give me authority to override the voters—and I followed my conscience on Jan. 6."

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Did he ever identify the unknown man in the most secure facility in the world at that moment who immediately gave him a challenge coin after he removed Trump from office?

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 12, 2022 09:21 AM (HAFUI)

405 Listen to you people, you're arguing about who can win GA or NV. Let me help, as it stands right now, no one.
Have we learned nothing from 2020 or last week?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 12, 2022 09:21 AM (qH6FZ)

406 Listen to you people, you're arguing about who can win GA or NV. Let me help, as it stands right now, no one.
Have we learned nothing from 2020 or last week?

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Ding ding ding

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 12, 2022 09:23 AM (HAFUI)

407 How, exactly did Walker show "he wasn't going to do the necessary"? Sure, he was a bland candidate in Trump's year. But while I've seen people claim he's a squish, I have never seen evidence.
Posted by: Eeyore
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Have you ever looked for it? Look for Liz Mair and Ace posts at the time before the Iowa Caucus. There, I have done your homework.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:24 AM (CXr4y)

408 I might walk away from this site and politics in general for the next year. It is all going to be pointless and stupid and no amount of outrage on my part can change that. And aside from politics, all that is left here is the daily trans stupidity.

So you are pining for a return of another engineered Chimera to be unleashed on the world?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at November 12, 2022 09:24 AM (3hSHB)

409 403
Why wouldn't Wisconsin go for Trump? The fraud method there wasn't necessarily repeatable iirc, and they were barely able to put Trump over the top.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:14 AM (eYoxG)
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The R's made a little headway on election reform but we reelected Evers and Josh Kaul so big election reform is off the table for 2024.

Defeated Tim Michaels was the Trump endorsed GOP candidate.

Beyond that, Trump schtick is getting old.
Posted by: WisRich at November 12, 2022 09:21 AM (qKfc+)

I believe the fraud depended on Covid-rules in Wisconsin. With those gone, a 1% swing ain't much. I'm more concerned about AZ being permanently lost to fraud than WI at the moment.

Trump endorsed candidates don't necessarily get his voters, which is a problem but doesn't really reflect his ability to get those voters.

The last thing is personal sentiment and doesn't necessarily say much about the electorate.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:24 AM (eYoxG)

410 "401 Disney doesn't have the infrastructure to make or break DeSantis politically.
Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:19 AM (CHWXg)

They are a multibillion dollar conglomerate. ..."

...but they're not a political party.

Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:25 AM (CHWXg)

411 I love the way everyone pretends massive amounts of independents crossing over for DeSantis is some kind of plot from the GOP establishment.

And yet, Trump choosing a q-Anon quack for a completely winnable senate seat is “fighting the system.”

Maybe the malleable vote in the middle is important to . . . You know, actually preventing one-part control.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 09:26 AM (qvZIi)

412 The frustrating thing on this site is that I expect a bit of logic and analysis. No one has explained exactly what foreign policy expertise DeSantis gives us or how he would govern without a supportive legislature behind him. We have people support someone for their compelling life story (Kathy Barnett), but no history of winning an election. Trump is blamed for things that were not under his control and successes ignore. People rush to tell the latest story the media puts out, even though we know they lie.

You want to make a case for someone else, then do it. But a little suspicion is warranted. The same things were said of Scott Walker and look how he turned out.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 12, 2022 09:28 AM (uz3Px)

413 376 returban guy, but while you question Desantis as some type of fake. We gave Trump the presidency and he grew the federal government when his supporters were screaming at him to shrink it. If you are bored check my posts during his presidency and before. I sang one note; shrink the federal leviathan.

I told the guy to spread the agencies to the wind, send them far from DC. It wasn’t just me, we at the Horde all wanted it. And he did jack shit about it. Same reason VA and MD are as dark blue as 2016. Trump said he would be a disruptor, but he was not. In fact, the deep state grew and is after him.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 09:29 AM (RtYWK)

414 >>I noticed that. They sound very, very concerned.

It's concerning.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2022 08:15 AM (ZLI7S)

Hey! I'm standing right here, being sooper dooper concerned!

Posted by: concerned with being concerned by the concerned at November 12, 2022 09:29 AM (Zvtjl)

415 "411 I love the way everyone pretends massive amounts of independents crossing over for DeSantis is some kind of plot from the GOP establishment.

And yet, Trump choosing a q-Anon quack for a completely winnable senate seat is “fighting the system.”

Maybe the malleable vote in the middle is important to . . . You know, actually preventing one-part control."

I love the way some people pretend that DeSantis is somehow going to overcome the Dem fraud machine.

Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:29 AM (CHWXg)

416 Did I mention I'm concerned? **sobs**

Posted by: concerned with being concerned by the concerned at November 12, 2022 09:30 AM (Zvtjl)

417 Nood, if it wasn't mentioned before

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 12, 2022 09:30 AM (U+tJ3)

418 lol, pot meet kettle, you attacked me the other day, so ...why are you immune ??
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What personal insult--did not call you xxxx or yyyy but called out your actions. Big difference.

Repeating a comments across threads all day that are the same is boring and tedious. House rules are not to insult commenters personally not what they post.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:30 AM (CXr4y)

419 "worn out by insults"... f'ing tool.

Posted by: NipsyAtTheJingoAteMyBaby at November 12, 2022 09:31 AM (cgq8j)

420 “ I love the way some people pretend that DeSantis is somehow going to overcome the Dem fraud machine.”

I love the way he won’t get the chance because Daddy Alpha is gonna make sure his deformed mushroom is the only spawning seed-source on the field.

When Trump runs as a spoiler—it will become clear who #1 is.

But as I already said. We’re gonna lose the House.

Filibuster is gone.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 09:32 AM (THGj5)

421 413 376 returban guy, but while you question Desantis as some type of fake. We gave Trump the presidency and he grew the federal government when his supporters were screaming at him to shrink it. If you are bored check my posts during his presidency and before. I sang one note; shrink the federal leviathan.

I told the guy to spread the agencies to the wind, send them far from DC. It wasn’t just me, we at the Horde all wanted it. And he did jack shit about it. Same reason VA and MD are as dark blue as 2016. Trump said he would be a disruptor, but he was not. In fact, the deep state grew and is after him.
Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 09:29 AM (RtYWK)

Well this is incorrect is the problem. Your knowledge of Trump's actions towards the federal workforce is just incomplete.

Did he shrink the federal workforce a bit in his first year? Of course.

Was he setting up to reclassify and fire huge amounts of the bureaucracy? Yes. I've detailed his executive action on it several times. It remains a central part of his platform.

Ultimately the legislature is the main thing needed to fix the bureaucracy, which isn't a Presidential candidate problem.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:33 AM (eYoxG)

422 I told the guy to spread the agencies to the wind, send them far from DC. It wasn’t just me, we at the Horde all wanted it. And he did jack shit about it. Same reason VA and MD are as dark blue as 2016. Trump said he would be a disruptor, but he was not. In fact, the deep state grew and is after him.
Posted by: Quint
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Only Congress can make those decisions and remember how the GOP treated him for the two years with unified control--with contempt.

Essentially, you have one flawed individual fighting an entire machine that has built up as a grift sucking machine and Pez favor dispenser for a variety of GOP billionaire donors.

Unless Trump was willing to do a Sulla (and without the legions behind him would have been pointless) and literally kill off the grifter class in DC, he was limited to politics as usual. So he focused on the economy and foreign policy which were both successes but those are also where the president has the most power versus Congress.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:34 AM (CXr4y)

423 Here are a few major problems.

1. The Democrats changed the election rules, they have a ballot harvesting and election machine the GOP can't counter right now.
2. The GOP elected leadership in Washington hates their voters and they don't represent any of their voter's interests.
3. The GOP elected leaders and party officials in the states are either too gutless or frozen in fear to do anything to help.

If you don't address that, forget 2024.

If something doesn't change

Posted by: lowandslow at November 12, 2022 09:34 AM (qH6FZ)

424 Ultimately the legislature is the main thing needed to fix the bureaucracy, which isn't a Presidential candidate problem.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Good analysis. You beat me to it.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:35 AM (CXr4y)

425 "420 “ I love the way some people pretend that DeSantis is somehow going to overcome the Dem fraud machine.”

I love the way he won’t get the chance because Daddy Alpha is gonna make sure his deformed mushroom is the only spawning seed-source on the field.

When Trump runs as a spoiler—it will become clear who #1 is.

But as I already said. We’re gonna lose the House.

Filibuster is gone."

If Trump dropped dead today DeSantis would still have to face the Dem machine. It's done. The Dems are firmly embedded in the election apparatus in too many places. By design.

Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:35 AM (CHWXg)

426 Glenn Youngkin. Fucking hilarious. If the McFailure wing of the party thinks that johnny come lately could beat Trump when Cruz and Rubio couldn't, they're FAR dumber than I thought

Posted by: deadrody at November 12, 2022 09:36 AM (kYmXc)

427 Notsothoreau, YES!

Posted by: Ben Had at November 12, 2022 09:36 AM (Zl+xh)

428 If you don't address that, forget 2024.

If something doesn't change
Posted by: lowandslow
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I agree with all of your propositions that are the literal truth.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:37 AM (CXr4y)

429 It’s Ryan and McConnell vs. Trump and Desantis.

That’s round 1.

Let’s get past round 1 first.

Posted by: MJ at November 12, 2022 09:37 AM (zwDuR)

430 If Trump supporters don’t realize their own attacks have elevated Desantis like nothing else could have possibly done then they are clueless. If Trump had kept his pie hole shut, he would still be the leader of the party today.

Because of what Trump chose to do for no reason, Desantis is the focus of the party. He might go with Youngkin for veep. I would go with winsome sears, Youngkin seems too much of a squish to me.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 09:40 AM (RtYWK)

431 "I agree with all of your propositions that are the literal truth."
Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:37 AM (CXr4y)

Thanks but I don't think anyone is listening to me.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 12, 2022 09:41 AM (qH6FZ)

432 412 The frustrating thing on this site is that I expect a bit of logic and analysis. No one has explained exactly what foreign policy expertise DeSantis gives us or how he would govern without a supportive legislature behind him. We have people support someone for their compelling life story (Kathy Barnett), but no history of winning an election. Trump is blamed for things that were not under his control and successes ignore. People rush to tell the latest story the media puts out, even though we know they lie.

You want to make a case for someone else, then do it. But a little suspicion is warranted. The same things were said of Scott Walker and look how he turned out. Posted by: Notsothoreau
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Bandwagon effect plus shiny new thing. People hate to admit they were wrong, situations are more complex than that one simple trick, and that other alternatives exist. Most people use lawyers tricks without even thinking about it--they build a case for what they want by cherrypicking evidence to fit a narrative. It is a normal thing to do. It is harder to do objective analysis because there is no preset 'correct' answer.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:42 AM (CXr4y)

433 430 If Trump supporters don’t realize their own attacks have elevated Desantis like nothing else could have possibly done then they are clueless. If Trump had kept his pie hole shut, he would still be the leader of the party today.

Because of what Trump chose to do for no reason, Desantis is the focus of the party. He might go with Youngkin for veep. I would go with winsome sears, Youngkin seems too much of a squish to me.
Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 09:40 AM (RtYWK)

What are the attacks on DeSantis? "Hey, all of our enemies are boosting DeSantis all of a sudden"?(which is true)

It's mostly media outlets boosting DeSantis. A mean tweet didn't boost his profile. Also "being attacked just makes my candidate stronger" is a deluded view of politics. Did Russiagate make Trump stronger? Did the Valeria plame bullshit make Bush stronger? Did the tax fraud claim make Romney stronger?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:43 AM (eYoxG)

434 The whole theory is completely preposterous. Did GOPe and McConnell con DeSantis into redistricting Florida for massive GOP gains? Crushing Disney? Stopping the groomers?

And did Paul Ryan nudge Trump into spewing nonsense against DeSantis and Youngkin? Sneak into his nicknaming workshop and advocate for DeSanctimonious and Young Kin?

Posted by: Candidus at November 12, 2022 09:43 AM (469KY)

435 "430 If Trump supporters don’t realize their own attacks have elevated Desantis like nothing else could have possibly done then they are clueless. If Trump had kept his pie hole shut, he would still be the leader of the party today.

Because of what Trump chose to do for no reason, Desantis is the focus of the party. He might go with Youngkin for veep. I would go with winsome sears, Youngkin seems too much of a squish to me."

He should've kept his pie hole shut but I don't think it was without reason that he did it.

Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:44 AM (CHWXg)

436 Trump supporters don’t realize their own attacks have elevated Desantis like nothing else could have possibly done then they are clueless.

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The thing is that Trump supporters like DeSantis and most want him as vp and 12 years of renewal when he takes the presidency in 2028.

As things stand now none of it matters. As we've seen, the republicans will play to lose if it helps Americans.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi for Senate at November 12, 2022 09:45 AM (HAFUI)

437 Bonchie today: The entire top of the GOP has to go, including McConnell, McCarthy, Trump, and anyone else who refuses to adapt in the face of continual failure.

Posted by: Candidus at November 12, 2022 09:46 AM (469KY)

438 "434 The whole theory is completely preposterous. Did GOPe and McConnell con DeSantis into redistricting Florida for massive GOP gains? Crushing Disney? Stopping the groomers?

And did Paul Ryan nudge Trump into spewing nonsense against DeSantis and Youngkin? Sneak into his nicknaming workshop and advocate for DeSanctimonious and Young Kin?"

Another irritant is this transforming DeSantid into some godlike paragon. Yeah, he took on Disney, which is great. But the groomers are hardly crushed and his COVID response was pretty much the red state response.

Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 09:47 AM (CHWXg)

439 431 "I agree with all of your propositions that are the literal truth."
Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:37 AM (CXr4y)

Thanks but I don't think anyone is listening to me.
Posted by: lowandslow
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If you notice, logic and reason eventually win out if you can withstand the mobbing instinct.

Being pushed to panic and speed is a sure sign of a manipulative operation designed to foreclose options to the pre picked option for the masses.

I don't play that game nor do I worship politicians including Trump but in light of what actions Trump did do at tremendous costs to him personally, I am willing at this time to give him the benefit of the doubt. If and when DeSantis decides to run for president then have at telling us Trump's faults and how we can do better. But,as we can see, no agenda and platitudes do not win a damn thing.

The primary architects of defeat in this cycle were McCarthy and McConnell but the op is designed to take out Trump.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:47 AM (CXr4y)

440 434 The whole theory is completely preposterous. Did GOPe and McConnell con DeSantis into redistricting Florida for massive GOP gains? Crushing Disney? Stopping the groomers?

And did Paul Ryan nudge Trump into spewing nonsense against DeSantis and Youngkin? Sneak into his nicknaming workshop and advocate for DeSanctimonious and Young Kin?

Posted by: Candidus at November 12, 2022 09:43 AM (469KY)

1. Jeff Flake. We've had reliably red candidates turn on us before.

2. Mean Tweets! He's attacking political rivals after their elections were secured, let me get my fainting couch.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 12, 2022 09:47 AM (eYoxG)

441 It's mostly media outlets boosting DeSantis. A mean tweet didn't boost his profile. Also "being attacked just makes my candidate stronger" is a deluded view of politics. Did Russiagate make Trump stronger? Did the Valeria plame bullshit make Bush stronger? Did the tax fraud claim make Romney stronger?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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People hate to admit they have been stampeded but that is what is going on here and it is because Trump is announcing Nov. 15th.

Me, I am willing to wait and see action rather than words. Words are cheap.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:51 AM (CXr4y)

442 @393. Redistricting - the Obama Holder project. Carpetbaggers moving in, becoming involved and changing school boards;, town & county Councils, utility services, children's clubs & services, increasing taxes, redistributing medical services, getting rid of the Catholic church & schools, etc. 'Probationary' immigration, illegal immigration clustered in the few affordable areas. Community 'investments' from outside a community.

It's a slow rolling, constant creep of taking out the old & replacing it with the new. And why FL has been a huge draw to Pennsylvanians though it's also becoming unaffordable.

Posted by: Lola at November 12, 2022 09:52 AM (NIYa7)

443 A list of all 948 people charged for J6 -- as PDFs. Feel free to search it to tell us how many were charged with serious crimes before Jan. 20th and China Joe's inauguration. [I assume a blanket pardon for everyone on Capitol Hill on J6 and who hadn't been first charged yet wouldn't have been possible for PDT.]

https://tinyurl.com/5evdswxd

BTW, first guy on the list was charged on, "Case 1:22-cr-00302-DLF Document 1 Filed 09/13/22 Page 1 of 1".

Wiki: "Early on, the majority of charges filed were for disorderly conduct and unlawful entry,[9] but eventually, some people were charged with seditious conspiracy. [...] On January 8, 2021, the Justice Department announced charges against 13 people in connection with the Capitol riot in federal district court, while more had been charged in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia.[39][40]" [Linked in my sock.]

"In addition, approximately 40 individuals have been arrested and charged in Superior Court with offenses including, but not limited to, unlawful entry, curfew violations, and firearms-related crimes."

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) cancel your NY Post at November 12, 2022 09:53 AM (yikp0)

444 437 Bonchie today: The entire top of the GOP has to go, including McConnell, McCarthy, Trump, and anyone else who refuses to adapt in the face of continual failure.
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Frankly I would include all of Conservative Media, TM including Bonchie and Dead State in that. I am sure he would not agree.

Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:55 AM (CXr4y)

445 "If you notice, logic and reason eventually win out if you can withstand the mobbing instinct.
Being pushed to panic and speed is a sure sign of a manipulative operation designed to foreclose options to the pre picked option for the masses."
Posted by: whig at November 12, 2022 09:47 AM (CXr4y)

I'm not optimistic logic will win out. First clue will happen this week. If Mitch walks out of their closed-door meeting as Senate Minority Leader and it turns into something that blows over in few days, there is no logic in any of this.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 12, 2022 09:55 AM (qH6FZ)

446 You know that when you start attacking commenters with personal insults that usually calls for a time out.
Posted by: whig
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Nah bro. Trump couldn't answer a simple question from the friendliest interviewer possible. He couldn't name a single thing he wanted to do in his second term. The only defense to this is "Google is lying about what he said." If you believe that you are retarded, and I'm saying that for your own good so you can go out and buy a helmet and find someone to take care of you.
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Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 09:57 AM (l/xtq)

447 When you have Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan hatch a plan to sideline Trump it gets rather academic who they use as their catspaw.
DeSantis is a great guy. The realtors in Florida call DeSantis 'money in the bank'.
But how is DeSantis(or Youngkin or whomever) going to win when they sideline Trump?
McCarthy and Ryan are, functionally, Dem lite and esteemed members of the top tier elite. They dont give a shit who wins when you get down to it as long as it is someone they do not control-like Trump-who loses.
McCarthy(Ryan Inc) deep-sixed damn good, very damn good, MAGA Congressional candidates in the primary to prove their end game and will always be. It is control and power . 'Party ' and Country be damned.
We are well and truly fucked,
Trump IS a flaming asshole. Has always been that way when it suited him. Always will be that way for that matter.
And we overlooked his assholery, thank G*d, and gave him a chance to govern for America First. Those Golden Years for the AMERICAN working men and women will never be seen again.
McCarthy, Ryan and their GOPe cabal are traitors to almost everything most on this blog hold dear.

Posted by: Voter theater. at November 12, 2022 09:58 AM (/5Who)

448 Trump is a singular individual who can't be duplicated. The deep state can't control him through money, which is how they control all other politicians, either they 1. are greedy, or 2. they need the money for re-election.

DeSantis for all his virtues, and he has many, can be controlled by the second path to deep state control. The deep state would own him and any other national candidate.

Remember when God told the Israelites that self rule won't work, He could see our limits. This is all God teaching us why He has to be in charge.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 12, 2022 09:58 AM (CecP5)

449 447

^ This, all day.

Posted by: teej at November 12, 2022 10:01 AM (CHWXg)

450 I don't play that game nor do I worship politicians including Trump but in light of what actions Trump did do at tremendous costs to him personally, I am willing at this time to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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"We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." [And DDG's best hit for my finding the famous quote was... Daily Kos!]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) cancel your NY Post at November 12, 2022 10:04 AM (yikp0)

451 Dead state has always been behind the times. Even after they got rid of the Evangelist E.E. Even after they dissed Trump. Now they are supposedly conservative. It is an also ran site. I remember chatting with E.E. On email. I remember supporting Strieff. And telling them to hire him. They took my advice. I wish I could promote myself in the same way lol.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 10:05 AM (RtYWK)

452 "I assume a blanket pardon for everyone on Capitol Hill on J6 and who hadn't been first charged yet wouldn't have been possible for PDT."
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You assume incorrectly.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 10:05 AM (l/xtq)

453 Here's a press release from January 7, 2021. It lists those who were arrested on January 6.

Donald Trump pardoned zero of these people. They went to jail trying to keep him in power and he could not have fewer fucks to give.

https://bit.ly/3UuK4G0

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 12, 2022 10:11 AM (l/xtq)

454 Meanwhile, former President Egomaniac divides the party. Most of his worshipful are convinced this has exposed the highly-effective DeSantis for the secret globalist he always was.

There's a three-way split, and honestly I'm ready to watch it blow apart. Trump's contingent of former life-long Democrats can return to their party, or more likely, just stop voting. Then we'd just be fighting the Establishment soft-socialists instead of a two-front battle that includes Golden Calf fanatics.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at November 12, 2022 10:12 AM (coCgA)

455 I am making 90 dollars an hour working from home. I never imagined that it was honest to goodness yet my closest companion is earning $16,000 a month by working on a laptop, that was truly astounding for me, she prescribed for me to attempt it simply.
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Posted by: Tom at November 12, 2022 10:14 AM (/FkNc)

456 You assume incorrectly.
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Would you link a neartime historical precedent for that for this foreigner? And not e.g. pardoning all CSA politicians and soldiers or similar; or Nam draft-dodgers. No sarc.

I find it hard to believe especially if would it have included the murderer of Ashli Babbitt had he been charged as he should have

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) cancel your NY Post at November 12, 2022 10:17 AM (yikp0)

457 I respect the Trump support. But people need to realize where they are. We all supported Trump. He told us we would get tired of winning. I get that is a funny rhetorical flourish. The problem was it was dead wrong. We got trounced in 2018 and then lost again in 2020. In case the losing wasn’t enough, we greatly underperformed in 2022.

Don’t get me wrong, I blame the young dummies, and the old dummies that taught them. But the one thing I know is DJT is not delivering us wins. In fact, the guy that grew the deep state is s reverting to his old self. He is shitting on Republicans, it is the place he is most comfortable, the place he is most happy. For every Dem this guy bashes, he bashes ten Repubs.

Posted by: Quint at November 12, 2022 10:18 AM (RtYWK)

458 I don't worry about 2024 at all. The world is going to be a lot different then, partly as a result of the looming fiscal crisis. We cannot predict what the second- and third-order effects of the crisis will be, but it is more likely than not that they will be profound. Gird your loins for what is coming.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 12, 2022 10:23 AM (7B5FA)

459 I wouldn't be shocked if it's BS, and these establishment types are just trying to get DeSantis out of the way early, figuring Trump won't even be able to run in 2024, then they'll throw all their support behind Liz Chenney or Paul Ryan.

It just seems too convenient, that all these insider talks and comments about Trump are being leaked, and they're falling right in the back his biggest potential rival, who has been as MAGA as it gets. And of course Trump, being the often thin skinned baby he is, is easily falling for it.

Trump got played 10,000 times as president, he's going to get played even worse now that he seems paranoid and even more unhinged. He's going to destroy DeSantis and sabotage himself all because Maggie Haberman leaked him bs.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 12, 2022 10:26 AM (dGzLr)

460 "be aware of what is really going on"
Except this is not what is really going on.

Baris and his buddy Robert Barnes have a long history at this point of making these sorts of "insider" claims and being unable to back them up. Just a few weeks ago, for example, Barnes was claiming it was a "agreed" that DeSantis would endorse Trump after the election and be his VP nominee. In this case, Baris was forced to rapidly retreat from his story when people asked for evidence.

The reality is that this election was a failure attributable to BOTH the McWeakness "leaders" in the House and Senate AND to Trump, who is even more toxic to independents than he was in the last three elections. I wish that wasn't true but it indisputably is, and we have to deal with that reality. That DOES not mean we give power back to the treacherous squishes, and a lot of the GOP now recognize this -- as witness the growing tide of criticism against McConnell -- but it does mean we move from Trump to better candidates who can deliver what he promised.

Posted by: Rob Hobart at November 12, 2022 10:30 AM (UdUF6)

461 This explanation almost makes sense to me. It addresses why Trump is attacking Republicans. But, if neither DeSantis nor Youngkin have signed on to this plot, aren't they the wrong targets? Shouldn't Trump be aiming at the GOPe?

Posted by: ameryx at November 12, 2022 10:31 AM (n+Gtf)

462
all the current bickering aside, why would anyone on earth give two wet farts for paul ryan's opinion on anything?

the dude has been a non-entity since he promised to be "bi-partisan" and "not ram the Right's agenda thru the process and down the demtards' throats"

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 12, 2022 10:34 AM (ENBF0)

463 >>>The "Plan" that was hatched by the McFailure wing of the GOP was to offer the nomination to DeSantis. The GOP would provide funding, support, and a clear path to the nomination. If DeSantis declined the offer, the second choice is Glenn Youngkin.

Milton voice: I was told this was a crazy conspiracy theory.

lol Half life on that was pretty short.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 10:35 AM (yHsuS)

464 it does mean we move from Trump to better candidates who can deliver what he promised.

Posted by: Rob Hobart at November 12, 2022 10:30 AM (UdUF6)

None of which have managed to do it - obamacare anyone - for the last several decades. Thanks for playing.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 10:37 AM (yHsuS)

465 I don't worry about 2024 at all. The world is going to be a lot different then, partly as a result of the looming fiscal crisis. We cannot predict what the second- and third-order effects of the crisis will be, but it is more likely than not that they will be profound. Gird your loins for what is coming.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 12, 2022 10:23 AM (7B5FA)

Sage advice.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 10:39 AM (yHsuS)

466 Donald Trump pardoned zero of these people. They went to jail trying to keep him in power and he could not have fewer fucks to give.
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None of those were for major crimes [see my sock link]; and I seem to recall Jen, or other regular here, pointing out there were no charges or convictions that included the firearms offences [e.g. handgun in car trunk].

The first man on the Jan.6th arrests [that I linked/mentioned myself including the 40 charged in a different D.C. area court] was charged and released.

"Guthrie, who walks with a limp from a back injury, was charged with unlawful entry and released." [Fox]

A more serious charge from our 14, "Assaulting a Police Officer (APO) David Blair Clarksburg, MD"

"The FBI arrested Blair in February 2021. A federal grand jury indicted him on charges including assaulting, resisting or impeding police with a dangerous weapon, a flagpole." [NBC News]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) cancel your NY Post at November 12, 2022 10:42 AM (yikp0)

467 McCarthy, Ryan and their GOPe cabal are traitors to almost everything most on this blog hold dear.

Posted by: Voter theater. at November 12, 2022 09:58 AM (/5Who)

With so many willing to line up and suck GOPe cock with the first GOPe shiny they toss our way, I am really beginning to wonder what some on this blog hold dear.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 10:43 AM (yHsuS)

468 This reminds me of that episode of Star Trek, "Day of the Dove."

It's so damn easy to get Republicans chewing each other's throats. Something Democrats don't seem to do.

The goal, of course, is that when 2024 rolls around, no matter who the Republican candidate is, there will be a huge solid base of Republicans who won't vote for him. This is also something that never seems to happen to Democrats.

Another goal is to get major conservative online resources like AOS and Instapundit to join the cat fight and self-destruct.

Remember that Star Trek episode? Stop fighting each other and start paying attention to that glowing ball up by the ceiling, and who's behind it.

Posted by: MartynWW at November 12, 2022 10:47 AM (Ur3df)

469 So scheming politicians schemed and played politics? Who cares? If DeSantis takes the offer and bumps off Donny Two Scoops, who cares? And vice versa, if Trump ju jitsus this and DeSantis isn't good enought to recover from a stupid nickname, who cares? The other side plays hardball too, even harder, with the media on their side. So nut the fuck up. Weak ass titty babies cry about fairness. Make adjustments, kick ass.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 12, 2022 10:47 AM (hS8+x)

470 Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon
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Especially when not all of the final results are in.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) cancel your NY Post at November 12, 2022 10:47 AM (yikp0)

471 Raheem Kassam did a little digging on the readyforRon PAC.

https://tinyurl.com/37fmdrfk

Turns out that this plan was hatched in February 2022 or earlier.

Meanwhile, DeSilent has allegedly said as late as November 2 he had "no plans" to run against Trump in 2024. Rather than hiding behind GOPe surrogates and letting all the division and angst stew, he could bravely clear up all the rumors, make peace in the lead up to GA runoff, and show some of that real leadership we've been beat over the head about.

I realize it is a tough position to be in, telling your state you want to be their governor, while secretly planning to have GOPe install you as the GOPe 2024 nominee. I suppose it is Trump's fault.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 10:52 AM (yHsuS)

472 So scheming politicians schemed and played politics? Who cares? If DeSantis takes the offer and bumps off Donny Two Scoops, who cares? And vice versa, if Trump ju jitsus this and DeSantis isn't good enought to recover from a stupid nickname, who cares? The other side plays hardball too, even harder, with the media on their side. So nut the fuck up. Weak ass titty babies cry about fairness. Make adjustments, kick ass.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 12, 2022 10:47 AM (hS8+x)

lol, true. And it's only the Trump folks taking things personal? Come the fuck on.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 10:54 AM (yHsuS)

473 On the bright side, "Blazing Saddles" is trending on Twitter.

Posted by: MartynWW at November 12, 2022 10:59 AM (Ur3df)

474 Especially when not all of the final results are in.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) cancel your NY Post at November 12, 2022 10:47 AM (yikp0)

Yep, GOPe couldn't wait ~~a day~~ ~~two days~~ ~~three days~~ OK, however long it takes for Hobbs to cheat for AZ, to start the s***show, to try to take out BADORANGEMAN.

In retrospect, the initially thought odd timing of Trump's "big announcement" on election night then delayed probably forced their hand. Yeah, yeah, 4D chess. Whatever. The coordination of the dump Trump s***shows it was in the works. It's not really a leap to expect Trump to have hit back, defending himself, by going after the new GOPe shinies.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 10:59 AM (yHsuS)

475 McConnell, McDaniel, "Mc"Ryan-all Uniparty NeverTrumpers! Here in New Hampshire, Bolduc was gaining steam for the senate against Hassan...and McConnell pulled funding. Either way I'm surprised Hassan and Pappas won given they vote in lockstep with Biden and thus vote for high spending, no oil, coal, or natural gas, lockdowns and vaccine mandates or lose your job, etc. Not to mention nuclear armageddon with Russia. The Dems in NH ran on Reproductive Freedom, Public Education, Keeping Social Security, The Environment, and Our Democracy-and won?!

Posted by: Rodent at November 12, 2022 11:03 AM (A3Tmb)

476 >>>I don't want to get into the Trump/DeSantis wars (though I know this is going to spark them). I tend to agree with Ace, I am worn out by Trump the Insult Attack Dog. But I think everyone should be aware of what is really going on, and not think that Trump has lost his mind.

I don't either. But lay down and take the sanctimony is a bit much too ask (not directed at DiF).

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 11:10 AM (yHsuS)

477 I've seen this posted a few times, all this worry about the "Idependent" vote block and how they find Trump to be toxic.

I have a statement and a question.

First, I give two jacks and zero shits about Independent voters view of Trump. Here's why. If you're truly an Independent voter in 2022 and your choice is freedom and prosperity versus tyranny and welfare, yet you vote Democrat because you claim his personality turns you off, you're either an unimaginative liar or the biggest fucking idiot on the planet.

Second, I'd like for some of you hardcore anti-Trump posters claiming he upsets Independents to show me the data from 2016 and 2020 that backs up that assertion. And I mean the ACTUAL numbers, not something you pulled from the HuffPo or any partisan site that confirms your bullshit.

Posted by: Tracy at November 12, 2022 11:20 AM (Ve8zQ)

478 It's not really a leap to expect Trump to have hit back, defending himself, by going after the new GOPe shinies.
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I'm agreeing with you. Saying PDT is a loser when e.g. the Lake election isn't over yet ticks me off.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) cancel your NY Post at November 12, 2022 11:23 AM (yikp0)

479 Some of this is just wishcasting.

MAsters says that he won't vote for McConnell for leadership, McConnell logically pulls his money.

Trump doesn't come in to help.

I'll blame McConnell for that. He needs to give money regardless.

But Trump shoulders that too. It was his guy, and his guy took an anti-McConnel stance. So back him up with cash, then.

As far as DeSantis, brother in Christ, the goal is to win elections. In order to win, you need to convince peopel to vote for you. That includes, yes, the GOPe. So long as DeSantis continues governing like a rock-ribbed Conservative, Idgaf who endorses and votes for him. That's not his problem.

Posted by: Rich at November 12, 2022 11:35 AM (aWhe6)

480 I have a statement and a question.

First, I give two jacks and zero shits about Independent voters view of Trump. Here's why. If you're truly an Independent voter in 2022 and your choice is freedom and prosperity versus tyranny and welfare, yet you vote Democrat because you claim his personality turns you off, you're either an unimaginative liar or the biggest fucking idiot on the planet.

Second, I'd like for some of you hardcore anti-Trump posters claiming he upsets Independents to show me the data from 2016 and 2020 that backs up that assertion. And I mean the ACTUAL numbers, not something you pulled from the HuffPo or any partisan site that confirms your bullshit.

Posted by: Tracy at November 12, 2022 11:20 AM (Ve8zQ)

Hear. Hear.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 11:36 AM (yHsuS)

481 Saying PDT is a loser when e.g. the Lake election isn't over yet ticks me off.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) cancel your NY Post at November 12, 2022 11:23 AM (yikp0)

I am more flummoxed that after having railed against the NRO-types, the Lincoln Man Boy Project types, for the better part of a decade, we are expected to line up with and sing merry tunes about the big bad Trump at the flip of a light switch? It was freaking twilight zone here this week.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 11:40 AM (yHsuS)

482 Lastly. There are two sides to the "DeSantis is establishment" argument (the defense of DeSantis side included), and two perspectives that can be interpreted from the "DeSantis is establishment" statement.

First, it is inarguable at this point, I believe, that GOPe wants to use DeSantis as their Trump murder weapon. Thus, his funders from the Bush wing, the establishment types, certainly expect that he is their guy, the establishment guy, if he accepts their alleged offer of the nomination. This is not an unreasonable position to take, notwithstanding all the spittle-flecked attacks and insults that it may draw.

Second, and this the main perspective that DeSantis supporters toss back, is whether DeSantis considers himself "establishment" and/or will become and govern according to "establishment" wishes. It is inarguable at this point that DeSantis has been a decent culture warrior, has scored some good wins for team red in his state, and has a bright future. None of that refutes the first perspective. It is wishcasting to think that GOPe money will not hold GOPe sway.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 11:54 AM (yHsuS)

483 Dave put my frustrations exactly into words. Trump endorsed 235 candidates and 219 won(93%) and the republicans are Blaming Trump. A dead man and a half dead man w0n seats in PA, that has nothing to do with Trump. Trump has no media on his side so he is going 2015 again. It is his only option.

I am NOT worn out by Trump, but I am worn out by everyone else. Perhaps as a veteran who's been to war, working with executives who make Trump look humble, and having a night job as a volunteer firefighter, words matter little. Actions do.

I love DeSantis but he belongs to donors so back to 2015 we go. I pray it will be different like finishing the wall. I will back Trump to the end either way for what that man did for all of us and how much he and his family have endured more hostility than almost anyone - just like our founders. Peace.

Posted by: Danimal28 at November 12, 2022 11:58 AM (ryUqI)

484 I am sick of stupid Republicans, including one on this blog, who get played by GOPe and Democrats into attacking MAGA or Trump.
Starting today people get called out.

Posted by: Bill C at November 12, 2022 12:07 PM (TVAXO)

485 Tracy[480]... I love you. Damn good comment.

Posted by: Danimal28 at November 12, 2022 12:14 PM (pFh2X)

486 14 This sucks. Now we are going go after great guys like DeSantis and Youngkin. Desantis who produced 4 house flips? Two great pro lifers in swing states

I refuse to be a part of this. Baris is a great guy, but this is bullshit
Posted by: Jonah at November 12, 2022 08:02 AM (Cw0fX)
^^^^^^^^^
Maybe you should go to Red State. They offer free kneepads to help you service the Democrats.

Posted by: Bill C at November 12, 2022 12:15 PM (TVAXO)

487 Has Trump rescinded his endorsement of McCarthy for Speaker?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 12, 2022 12:26 PM (996BY)

488 Reagan was 73 when elected to his 2nd term as President., and was 83 when he wrote his 'Alzheimer's letter.' Trump will be 78 in 2024.

We just spent two years remarking about Biden how one of the early indicators of mental impairment is the person lashing out in anger. Just sayin'...

Posted by: Beelzebubba at November 12, 2022 12:45 PM (K58O6)

489 If only there was a president who could have pardoned all the Capitol protestors!

None were charged until Trump was out of office

Posted by: cjhmhch at November 12, 2022 12:54 PM (PoYG7)

490 The McFailure wing is cornered and dying. They know it. Absorb their last assault and then wipe them from the field. Desantis can be his own wing. He has more successes than the LowTGOP.

Posted by: jj at November 12, 2022 12:59 PM (UzehA)

491 Ok then, wouldn't have been smarter for Trump to implicate DeSantis and Younkin in the McConnell and Ryan plot, or just simply expose the plot, rather than saying something so stupid as DeSantis is an average governor?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 12, 2022 01:15 PM (fs1hN)

492 Ok then, wouldn't have been smarter for Trump to implicate DeSantis and Younkin in the McConnell and Ryan plot, or just simply expose the plot, rather than saying something so stupid as DeSantis is an average governor?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 12, 2022 01:15 PM (fs1hN)

YES. Absolutely.
It is maddening. It's destructive. And it is an 'own goal' that Trump may not fully recover from.
Trump was in the right, imo, to tear DeSantis head off , IN PRIVATE, for letting Ryan and McCarthy to maneuver DeSantis to damage/destroy Trump.
Then Trump damages himself.
Paul Ryan--a sack of shit if there ever was one--- and Mrs Frank Luntz must be laughing their asses off.

Posted by: Voter theater. at November 12, 2022 02:04 PM (OcxYp)

493 “ Second, I'd like for some of you hardcore anti-Trump posters claiming he upsets Independents to show me the data from 2016 and 2020 that backs up that assertion. And I mean the ACTUAL numbers, not something you pulled from the HuffPo or any partisan site that confirms your bullshit.”

You know Tracy, you might want to go and look at how much money was spent by Dems to boost Trump’s carny side-show clowns. There’s your fucking data. All you need to know is—the Dems wanted to run against Trump’s picks in just cases.

All I know is, I’ve done so much time losing, that I’m gonna get tired of losing.

Trump could pull this out all he needs to do is:

1) do more retard hands to mimic reporters.
2) hump another pornstar who can identify his penis in deformation lineup.
3) make more racist name comparisons with his possible primary rivals.
4) attack anyone who can possibly win.
5) say “stand by” to the Proud Boys.
6) tweet out that the Squad should “go back” to their countries.
7) refer to himself as a “Stable Genius” more.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 02:06 PM (THGj5)

494 >>>All I know is, I’ve done so much time losing, that I’m gonna get tired of losing.

lol

The people cheering getting rid of Bush, Clinton, and now Cheney turdstreams: Hmmm. Maybe Jeb! wasn't so bad after all.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 02:29 PM (yHsuS)

495 My enemies are the leadership of the GOP. I wanted something done about 2020. Since that did not happen I will not vote for the GOPe candidates. Let the games begin.

Posted by: 4thewin at November 12, 2022 02:37 PM (MNmj8)

496 My enemies are the leadership of the GOP. I wanted something done about 2020. Since that did not happen I will not vote for the GOPe candidates. Let the games begin.

Posted by: 4thewin at November 12, 2022 02:37 PM (MNmj

Yep. Not one thing. Not a peep. In fact, they ran with the left against "election deniers." And now we're watching the AZ circus all over.

DIAFF, GOPe.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 12, 2022 02:48 PM (yHsuS)

497 Massive inflation, undeclared war with a country that never attacked us or our NATO allies, a pandemic that the self-identified POTUS promised to end on Day One, massive increase in death among healthy young people who were all vaccinated against that same virus, false accusations against January 6 and Nancy Pelosi's house, trying to ban gasoline and guns, putting imaginary genders in control of the military and that's just from the last two years.

So now the plan is to win elections in two years, huh? Sounds great.

Posted by: ChrisW at November 12, 2022 02:49 PM (ItDku)

498 I was wondering why they let DeSantis and Rubio win in Florida without drastically cutting their vote totals like they did in all the other states. Makes sense. I like what governor DeSantis has done is governor of Florida, but I can see this maneuvering as well.

Posted by: Beverly at November 12, 2022 04:17 PM (kh44d)

499 Imagine being so stupid and pathetic that you still support Trump and prefer him over the best governor in America, Ron DeSantis.

Battered women have more self-respect than the Trump chumps.

Posted by: Joe at November 12, 2022 04:40 PM (wmXwQ)

500 Maybe somebody's already asked this, but why should we believe some guy named Rich Baris?

I've never heard of the guy and all of a sudden he's the go-to source for inside baseball against Trump?

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at November 12, 2022 05:23 PM (TU8Tj)

501 In addition, who's feeding this information to Trump so he can counter it?

I mean, if he had access to accurate information regarding underhanded dealings by members of Congress, why did they beat him like a rented mule most of the time?

But now he's privvy? Doesn't add up.

Maybe he's insulting De Santis and Youngkin simply because that's what he does.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at November 12, 2022 05:38 PM (TU8Tj)

502 "Imagine being so stupid and pathetic that you still support Trump and prefer him over the best governor in America, Ron DeSantis "

This is the exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about when I say DeSantis supporters have been lunging at us over the last year trying to get us to throw the first punch.

And then clutching their pearls because Trump called DeSantis a mean name.

Posted by: Fen6 at November 12, 2022 08:17 PM (naHzv)

503 I want one Trump-pumper to explain to me:

Why did the DEMOCRATS boost Trump’s picks?

Be honest. It’s okay. You’re not in Jonestown—but you’re three gulps away from it.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 08:24 PM (To7on)

504 "Battered women have more self-respect than the Trump chumps."
Posted by: Joe

Your attack style betrays you - you're more concerned with how others perceive you than with being free.

You're so corrupt you've gone noseblind to the stench.

Posted by: Fen6 at November 12, 2022 08:29 PM (naHzv)

505 "Now we are going go after great guys like DeSantis and Youngkin. Desantis who produced 4 house flips?"

Hey, we didn't start this shit. DeSantis supporters have been the ones acting like your daughters hippy boyfriend at Thanksgiving Dinner:

"So we're celebrate genocide today"

STFU

After a certain point though, you have to wonder why DeSantis attracts these types

Posted by: Fen6 at November 12, 2022 08:35 PM (naHzv)

506 'Trump cares about exactly zero people who aren't Donald Trump.'

Right, that's why the Left wants to murder him and do worse to his wife and daughter. Not because he stuck up for us, no the Left loathes selfishness. Sure.

Posted by: Fen6 at November 12, 2022 08:39 PM (naHzv)

507 "I'll bet $100 to Ace if DeSantis doesn't go the way of the Turtle.,'

Ha. I asked the Principled CBD to outline what would cause him to abandon DeSantis as an establishment puppet. So he can't move the goal posts later on.

So far, no response.

Posted by: Fen6 at November 12, 2022 08:45 PM (naHzv)

508 'What's really cute is the number of brand new commenters who just happened to appear here simultaneously to tell us that they have been longtime Trump supporters but now we must flip to DeSantis for reasons or we are doomed!" Posted by: JackStraw

I'm seeing this all over the internet. Same talking points too. Not my blog but it was I lay down the law and ban anyone trying to stir up shit. It would be the one place we could go without a civil war raging in the comments.

Posted by: Fen6 at November 12, 2022 08:54 PM (naHzv)

509 Why did the DEMOCRATS boost Trump’s picks?

Be honest. It’s okay. You’re not in Jonestown—but you’re three gulps away from it."

Who cares? These are the races where 'election month' now is in play.

Dims can roast all they want when they have the election gamed in their favor. Blame state republicans for their lack of effort in combating mail-in ballots.

Posted by: Danimal28 at November 12, 2022 10:50 PM (ryUqI)

510 You think they still the seat in Washington state that went r+13 just now? Bullshit.

Trump jammed his dick I to the middle of the race—and he owns this shit.

We lost the motherfucking House.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 10:52 PM (VMttT)

511 “I'm seeing this all over the internet. Same talking points too. Not my blog but it was I lay down the law and ban anyone trying to stir up shit. It would be the one place we could go without a civil war raging in the comments.”

That’s all fine and good. And for all points and purposes, I’m a “new” commenter because of the Atrocious damage Trump has caused.

But I’m a longtime reader, and was even a guest blogger many years ago. Not that I need to prove it to you. But Ace will remember if he ever decided to plumb my old identity or ask me.

The point is, I feel the need to comment like anyone else.

Oh, and we’re losing the House. God.

Posted by: Marleysghost at November 12, 2022 11:13 PM (9vfnu)

512 This is excellent and no doubt accurate information.

What I love is A—wipes like the Sanctimonious CBD deciding to invoke the 11th Amendment here, because he “identifies” as the Establishment GOP’s hall monitor.

I will never take Sanctimonious CBD and his ridiculous 1st World problems seriously again.

But I’ve learned that running a blog means never having to say you were wrong (similar to a politician) and instead allows the blogger to censor or disappear any criticism (similar to Democrat politicians protected by Global mass and social media giants and urban street militias, but not Republicans who have to rely on butthurt losers like CBD).

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