The Other Side Gets the Ball, Too

As the GOP prepares for post-mortems and mutual recriminations -- and some of that will be necessary -- it's also important to keep in mind that in any contest, the other team has strengths as well, and they get their time with the ball too. And that they're going to score.

We got a little self-deluded about abortion having all but vanished as a factor in the race. It didn't.

Abortion was a costly victory. That doesn't mean you don't take the victory; only a GOPe Grifter would say that you perpetually run on an issue and never actually try to win that issue on a policy level.

But winning the issue of abortion, finally, did provoke a powerful backlash from the 40% of the country that considers abortion to be an unholy sacrament.

Just as Obamacare was a costly victory that, from the Democrats' perspective, they absolutely needed to seize and accept the fallout as unavoidable consequences, so too does the GOP have to take the win on abortion, but with the unavoidable consequence of a riled-up leftwing progressive base.

And on that, even though abortion faded as an issue as we got close to election day, millions and millions of votes were cast weeks and even a month before election day. I checked the Pennsylvania mail-in voting rules; the website didn't give a firm date, but it said early voting usually takes place "4-6 weeks" before election day.

So people were casting votes for Fetterneck in the last week of September. When the July-August passions over Dobbs were still hot.

Another important factor is that the Democrat Party, being now the party of smug, comfortable affluent white professionals and civil servants who imagine themselves to be of the professional class, is now less of a political party than a Lifestyle Brand. By which I mean: they are affluent enough to not care as much about minor little things like gas costing six dollars a gallon and chicken breast costing almost $8 a pound (when you can even get it!). Or even that their 401K's have lost one third to 40% of their value.

They like advertising the fact -- or advertising the pretense -- that they're so wealthy that they don't care about the trivial worries of money that so concern the Lumpenproletariat:

Does anyone think this Bearded BBW is really unconcerned about the price of carbohydrates? Because I sure don't.

The Lifestyle Brand Liberals are fine with the price of gasoline, which they understand must Necessarily Skyrocket (TM) if we're to save the world from Carbon Dioxide (The Invisible Killer). They don't love paying more for gas, but they also don't love paying more in taxes. They accept doing so, however, as tithings they pay to the Universal Church of the God-State.

One sad lesson we learned in Iraq is that any tyranny has its fervent supporters -- there is no such thing as a tyranny that is hated by everyone. Such a tyranny would not last more than a day and an hour.

The Democrats' Covid Tyranny, of course, has millions of passionate Mask Baathists who voted not for Covid Amnesty but for Covid Vengeance, vengeance against those who have dared to unmask over the past year. The Democrats still very much count upon these jihadists as party loyalists.

Finally, the Lifestyle Brand that is the Democrat Party has little to pitch its smug, affluent white Karen core of extraordinarily mediocre careerists who think they're genius world-beaters except constant validation and slurs against the proles -- narcissistic mediocrities of the sort that make up the Democrat Party need to be constantly assured that there are huge swathes of people who are inferior to them.

The Democrat Party exists nearly exclusively to invent Nazi-like dehumanization campaigns against half the country so that the intellectually insecure sub-mediocrities of the civil-service and mid-management mid-wits can feel they're Superior to someone.

And the Democrat Party is creating these dehumanization campaigns effectively enough. The last campaign convinced the midwits that the people the Democrat Party is using government power to censor, surveil, and jail are The Real Fascists, and that the midwits should therefore feel Scorn towards them, and feel a swell of Unearned Superiority towards them.

And they reward the Democrat Party with their votes for this service.

No one will ever vote against someone who makes them feel like Somebody.

This is all primal and primally ugly stuff, but the Democrat Party has always been about this very base tribalism. They've been doing it for 100 years. They're good at it.

We maybe forgot that a bit.

That doesn't let us off the hook for having failed to counter this. That doesn't let us off the hook for having failed to beat them.

But we should keep it in perspective. Patton warned against soldiers imagining the Nazis to be ten-foot-tall giants who were unbeatable in battle.

But we should likewise resist imagining the Democrats as one-foot-tall Jonah Goldbergs unable to take three steps without stepping on the dick of the better-endowed studs servicing their wives. They are the nastiest race hustlers the modern world has created, in bed with Hollywood and Madison Avenue with access to all the expertise that professionals and artists in the fields of emotional manipulation and brainwashing can grant them, and they get to run their plays, too.

And they can run race- and class-baiting plays for Suburban White Karen against lower-class white men just the same as they used to run race-baiting plays for black and Hispanic voters against rich whites. They can run whatever racial/class play they need to. They are amoral and without conscience. Their only morality is Marxism.

Posted by: Ace at 12:14 PM

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1 Stayed up too late and I'm hungover like a Viking.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 09, 2022 12:15 PM (Qy7kP)

2 Sponge!

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 12:15 PM (yHsuS)

3 Stayed up too late and I'm hungover like a Viking.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 09, 2022 12:15 PM (Qy7kP)

Same here, except hung like a jury.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 12:15 PM (yHsuS)

4 Called em

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 09, 2022 12:15 PM (Qy7kP)

5 The House switches to republicans and the senate comes down to the runoff in Georgia. Not a great night, but not a horrible one either.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2022 12:15 PM (bVYXr)

6 After deep introspection and soul searching, I have concluded it is time to get off the Trump train.

Bring on the Desantis/Chamber of Commerce 2024 ticket!

Spit.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2022 12:18 PM (RvuYE)

7 What’s the update on Lake’s race?

Posted by: Blackstone at November 09, 2022 12:18 PM (9byfS)

8 No sugar coating there ACE and I agree.. Sadly

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2022 12:18 PM (bs+z0)

9 Rookie read the content.

My #1 thought after paying for groceries this morning is how do we stop the fraud? Especially when most of us don't live where the fraud is rampant?

Posted by: Catherine at November 09, 2022 12:18 PM (ZSsrh)

10 Knowing thy enemy is good.

But having a plan to defeat them is better.

Would also help if it wasn't 3 on 1.

Dems/GOPe vs Conservatives.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 09, 2022 12:19 PM (mE7cY)

11 Ah. The recriminations thread. I knew it was coming.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:19 PM (pwExq)

12 My #1 thought after paying for groceries this morning is how do we stop the fraud? Especially when most of us don't live where the fraud is rampant?

Posted by: Catherine

Secession.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2022 12:19 PM (RvuYE)

13 Deep connections, guys.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (44ww/)

14 The boomer GOP is dead.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (1dzqn)

15 Well, 2016 Trump and that version of Trumpism died last night. Hopefully a better version won out and will lead us to better outcomes in 2024

Posted by: Jay in PA at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (wUP6i)

16 I like the optimism, Ace. Such as it is. I have seen very many fickle elections over the years. People who aren't hyper-dialed-in just don't understand, and sometimes, I wish that's how I were, too.

Posted by: Andy_in_Colorado at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (tBHkr)

17 Abortion was a costly victory.
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As I warned.

Sometimes when you win, you lose.

And I am no great advocate of "reproductive rights" as a specific category.

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (krQz2)

18 >>>6 After deep introspection and soul searching, I have concluded it is time to get off the Trump train.
Bring on the Desantis/Chamber of Commerce 2024 ticket!
Spit.

if you want to get into a fight, I'll get into it with you.

fuck you with your chamber of commerce talking point. Go back to SUndance with that bullshit. Trump brought in Reince Priebus and the RNC to run his whole administration. His NSA was fucking John Bolton. He kept Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx on staff to attack Ron DeSantis, who was pursuing the correct covid policy.

Trump wants to be loved by the establishment. that's why he can't stop kissing up the new York times.

that's why he let lots of drug dealers out of prison, in case you forgot about that.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (C1Zwz)

19 I'm certain there was a lot of fraud here in Michigan.

Nevertheless, I'm also certain we're screwed because enough people DID vote for our wretched governor who roped off SEEDS during COVID in her tyranny.

This country deserves what it voted for, good and hard.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (JMAcK)

20 As we say on the battlefield, the enemy gets a vote.

From my perspective, and I freely admit I may be viewing things from too narrow a view, the lack of grassroots organization isn't there to push the conservative agenda in non-solid red states. There are half a dozen states that can go either way in any 4 year cycle. But for the last few years they go blue.
It may be the only fix to this is more pain at the grocery store, the gas pump, the tax bill and the thousands of looming irs audits.
Maybe then...if there is a Republic left.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (anj39)

21 Tom Nichols must not be struggling with a budget for food, mortgage/rent, medicine, utilities, gas, clothes, etc for his family. Must be nice.

Posted by: Moki at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (JrN/x)

22 I'm not putting as much weight on fraud as I am in stupid voters .

Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (45fpk)

23 Sooooo glad I got my family out of Illinois.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (Qy7kP)

24 9 My #1 thought after paying for groceries this morning is how do we stop the fraud? Especially when most of us don't live where the fraud is rampant?

Posted by: Catherine at November 09, 2022 12:18 PM

Intimidation.

Posted by: E. A. Blair at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (dJC33)

25 Let them slaughter babies and go to Hell

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (8hzro)

26 Sure the connections are deep, but are they wide and far?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (44ww/)

27 >>>21 As we say on the battlefield, the enemy gets a vote.

oh yeah that's a better way to say it.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (C1Zwz)

28 No one will ever vote against someone who makes them feel like Somebody.
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That is likely a factor in why Trump did so well. He remembered the forgotten man. If you were one of them, it's the first time in decades that a national politician even noticed you, let alone courted you.

This is another area where the Uniparty model fails. Those on both sides of the hypothetical divide desire the same things and court the same people to get it. The "forgotten man" remains forgotten. You won't pick up many forgotten men, but neither will anyone else.

But that breaks down if someone *does* remember the forgotten man, depending on how many forgotten men there are.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (DU+/6)

29 My #1 thought after paying for groceries this morning is how do we stop the fraud? Especially when most of us don't live where the fraud is rampant?

Posted by: Catherine at November 09, 2022 12:18 PM (ZSsrh)

Simple. No vote will be counted unless the identity of the person casting it can be verified.

Won't ever happen but it is simple.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (CQ3Qb)

30 That’s a good take on abortion. We got our win, and it hurt us in the election. I don’t care. I’d take the same deal four months ago, even knowing it.

Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (3wNhr)

31 Also, I’m still struggling with the fact that people actually want Fetterman to be their Senator

Posted by: Jay in PA at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (wUP6i)

32 Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (C1Zwz)

*swoon*

Thank you for putting words to my thoughts.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (sI15f)

33 "We got a little self-deluded about abortion having all but vanished as a factor in the race. It didn't."

Not really. What vanished, like other important factors, was a coordinated GOP response on abortion. Not the dodge of "I'm pro-life". But a material, simple response that there is no federal right to abortion in the constitution, but the good news is it is a states rights issue, and therefore left up to each individual states voters. This is a problem because the GOP posture has become cowardly on most controversial issues and therefore they run from it. Just like Kevin The Platitude Machine McCarthy's lack of specifics on what exactly he would do legislatively to change things, it's borne of a timid aversion to take a stand.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (eacmp)

34 The Olympic Mountains were gorgeous this morning. New snow was glowing pink with the sunrise and the full moon was hovering, fading slowly as it set.

The air is crisp and cold and the smell of the leaves and the salty sea is calming and centering.

Go for a walk.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (ifGaJ)

35 Ace, I mostly agree, and of course the admonition that we must not forget that they are good at this stuff is immensely important.

Also...you have pointed out recently that the exodus from the blue states may very well be made up of exactly the sort of voter who could have contributed to a red wave, but they are now simply solidifying Republican control of Florida and Texas...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (XIJ/X)

36 Robert Shirley at instapundit is thinking similarly this morning: "People know the system is total baloney. Yet the GOP does little or nothing to fix it, even to help itself! At some point, we have to assume this level of loserdom is deliberate."

Posted by: Catherine at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (ZSsrh)

37 "One sad lesson we learned in Iraq is that any tyranny has its fervent supporters -- there is no such thing as a tyranny that is hated by everyone. Such a tyranny would not last more than a day and an hour."

A government can be overthrown with roughly 10% of the population actively supporting for the revolt. Arguably there is another 20% of the population passively supporting the revolt, but overwhelmingly the population needs to not be inclined towards revolt in order for a government to be stable.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (eYoxG)

38 Her damn fault!

Maggie Haberman@maggieNYT
Trump is indeed furious this morning, particularly about Mehmet Oz, and is blaming everyone who advised him to back Oz -- including his wife, describing it as not her best decision, according to people close to him.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (FVME7)

39 14 The boomer GOP is dead.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (1dzqn)

Yep but Trump isn't going to go away quietly.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (CQ3Qb)

40 Outside of Florida what was the message that most of the GOP ran on? Do you know? I don't really think there was. I mean DeSantis had actual accomplishments. Virginia was won last year due to taking some actual stands on things. Did the party really take much of a stand otherwise? Well I don't really thing so for a number of reasons, that you can boil down to the establishment still hating conservatives guts and refusing to support those things that could be popular. So you can't push too much on the detriments of lockdowns because too much of the establishment supported it, and all the other stuff they love but know they can't fully admit if they want to keep power.

Posted by: buzzion at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (aRLgQ)

41 As I said in the last thread, we don't know what America voted for.

Without election integrity, all we learned was what the DNC voted for.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (mE7cY)

42 if you want to get into a fight, I'll get into it with you.

Sorry Ace. First dime he takes from a bundler, he's bought and paid for. With all the resulting baggage.

That was a big reason people backed Trump. He wasn't owned.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (RvuYE)

43 >>>The air is crisp and cold and the smell of the leaves and the salty sea is calming and centering.
Go for a walk.

imma do that today. I wanted to get out yesterday but couldn't manage it.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (C1Zwz)

44 Republicans were favorable on all the top issues as ranked by the voters.

A vast majority of the country thinks we're headed in the wrong direction.

Hispanics were crossing to the republicans in huge numbers.

Polls showing people like Hochul and Murray, et al. were vulnerable.

It had all the makings...until the votes started being counted.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (KbCG3)

45 The pattern of this loss screams in flashing purple-haired letters: "Trump's time is past".

He certainly gave the Republican Party it's new direction, and should receive credit for that. If he would retire from office-seeking, he could be useful. Unfortunately, I don't feel that is in his makeup. It's go down with the ship all the way.

Posted by: Mick at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (/cox6)

46 I give up on this country. I really do.

There's a tiny little part of me that hopes this feeling is temporary but I just really don't know.

If after all this demonstrated - and deliberate - destruction unleashed on us by Biden and his Democrat Party...they still kept from being defeated, and soundly so,...well, I just don't know about my fellow countrymen. I really, really don't.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (Is5+x)

47 Murkowski is behind with 75% of the vote in. So we got that going for us.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (BJKQV)

48 Willowed:

Last night I turned off the increasingly sad news to watch the Korean action movie-

"The Witch, Part Two: The Other One"

It was excellent. At first, I thought it wasn't as good as "The Witch: Subversion", but the completely gonzo violence-filled actionorama won me over.

If you haven't seen "TW: S" see it first before "TWPT: TOO".

The movies are a bit like "The Fury" in that they concern private and government agencies trying to produce the next step in evolution for nefarious purposes. Psychic power fu galore.

If it sounds like you will like it, you will love it.

Can't wait for the inevitable Part 3.,

Posted by: naturalfake at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (KLPy8)

49 >>>That was a big reason people backed Trump. He wasn't owned.

bullshit, he took all the money from the RNC, he spent very very little of his own money. he's a cheapskate.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (C1Zwz)

50 31 That’s a good take on abortion. We got our win, and it hurt us in the election. I don’t care. I’d take the same deal four months ago, even knowing it.
Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (3wNhr)

Except with the Dems emboldened what's to stop them from making abortion at will a Federal law... ? Biden will sign it for sure..

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (bs+z0)

51 KTLA 5 chyron has Dahle (R) over Pelosi's boy Newsom (DDD)! While the screen graphic behind has Newsom ahead. ???

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (jXjfE)

52 Heard on the radio that WI has been called for Ron Johnson.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (Qy7kP)

53 This is all primal and primally ugly stuff, but the Democrat Party has always been about this very base tribalism. They've been doing it for 100 years. They're good at it.

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They're good at it because they have the media in their hip pocket. They face very little scrutiny, and therefore, the public remains easily fooled and misled. They never get to see the ugly underbelly of what the Democrat party is really all about. They're rarely questioned. They're rarely opposed. They're rarely exposed. As much as I don't want to admit it, the media provides them wide protection, even though conservative media sources have made inroads. It's easy to be good at something in politics, if the mainstream media is 100% behind your sails.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (sVtYq)

54 Maggie Haberman@maggieNYT
Trump is indeed furious this morning, particularly about Mehmet Oz, and is blaming everyone who advised him to back Oz -- including his wife, describing it as not her best decision, according to people close to him.

I think this is probably BS.

People familiar with the situation assure me that it is.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (pwExq)

55 I felt pretty alone telling friends and family that taking away the right to kill babies on demand would be a big problem for the GOP in this election. I agree that economics should've easily trumped abortion, but until you understand what a significant portion of the electorate really whats the flexibility to kill children on demand (looking at feminists and young women/men in general,) we can't begin to change the culture in America. Hopefully last night opens some eyes to how bad our culture really is.

SCOTUS took away a "right" long after it became an institution. How did we all think that was going to turn out? Well, we found out.

Posted by: Im Your Huckleberry at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (Xpy+E)

56 And they can run race-baiting plays for Suburban White Karen against lower-class white men just the same as they used to run race-baiting plays for black and Hispanic voters against whites. They can run whatever racial play they need to. They are amoral and without conscience. Their only morality is Marxism.
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The only way to change that, probably, is to take the weapon away. Taking that weapon away will probably require a race war, which will be enormously ugly. I suspect that white men - especially lower-status white men - will only take so much before they either check out or lash out. Neither outcome is positive but I suspect that one of them may be inevitable.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (DU+/6)

57 "the GOP have to take the win on abortion"

We won't know that for years, until we find out if annual abortions per capita have declined or increased. We can call it a win for federalism, but not much of a win if the net numeric result is nugatory.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (24fqN)

58
that's why he let lots of drug dealers out of prison, in case you forgot about that.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (C1Zwz)

Let's start with this as it's the most controversial action. Assuming this is unacceptable, what level of compromise is to get a winning coalition? What issues can be compromised and which are sacrosanct?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (eYoxG)

59 Morning.

Seems Legit was asking for the actual language of CA's abortion amendment. Here ya go!

https://tinyurl.com/4sya4uv4

Posted by: Robert at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (/tVYh)

60 It's neat to see the same people who say "a woman can have a penis" immediately say "those people falsely claim fraud occurred in the election"

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (hub+L)

61 Also, I’m still struggling with the fact that people actually want Fetterman to be their Senator
Posted by: Jay in PA

The Night of the Voting Dead.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (6BXHz)

62 "But cereal is kinda pricey, so I dunno"

Well, when you're such a fat cow the grocery stores Lock their doors once they've sighted you, it's a different problem.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (eacmp)

63 Also...you have pointed out recently that the exodus from the blue states may very well be made up of exactly the sort of voter who could have contributed to a red wave, but they are now simply solidifying Republican control of Florida and Texas...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (XIJ/X)

Yes, this is what I was considering as well. as a people, we are self selecting where we want to live. i honestly think eventually we will break up as a country along these lines.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (mnUzy)

64 "Sink the Murk-ow-ski!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (59A0p)

65 I'm not about to believe that the election results were real, so there's no way to ascribe reasoning to the outcomes.

Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (yZlY6)

66 POLITICAL ANALYSIS:

American Electorate Tells America: DROP DEAD!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (vx0T+)

67 Joe Mannix, I agree completely and was getting ready to say similar stuff. If you want to see a retail politician that makes his voters feel like Somebody, look no further than Trump.

And BiNO, that's kinda my point? MO does that. How in the world does it make PA do that? The TX lawsuit after 2020 that the SC punted on basically makes it impossible.

Posted by: Catherine at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (ZSsrh)

68 "But cereal is kinda pricey, so I dunno"

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Cereal isn't "kinda pricey."

Food has doubled in price since Biden took office.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (hub+L)

69 A few notes:

Trending red areas continue to trend red. Same for blue. The cheat in the cities will continue.

I can’t state this enough - normal people see nothing that we see here. They see Biden as erudite and skillful. Their news is so carefully curated that not one criticism gets through.

High prices? That’s republicans fault for being racist. For real, this is the message. And it works.

Posted by: MJ at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (zwDuR)

70 Secession.

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This. The idea that Pennsylvania voters can elect a "Senator" who will play a role in shaping laws that impact Texas is as absurd as saying that the Portuguese should be able to vote on laws for Poland.

Simply sharing the same land mass is not enough. It's shameful to call yourself an American if that means sharing a nationality with the people who elected Fetterman. They are not our people.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (1dzqn)

71 538 reported 10,000 fewer abortions since Dobbs. I'll take the win.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (BJKQV)

72 "By which I mean: they are affluent enough to not care as much about minor little things like gas costing six dollars a gallon and chicken breast costing almost $8 a pound (when you can even get it!). Or even that their 401K's have lost one third to 40% of their value."

Ace, I think it's more that they don't blame their guy for it. Have you ever heard a Biden voter say they made a mistake? That Biden is disappointing? No, they blame Putin, Ukraine, corporate greed, the monster under the bed -- anything but the guy they voted for.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (iFTx/)

73 The fact is there are people locked up from being at the capitol on January 6. Trump could have pardoned them before he left office. He didn't.

That wasn't on the ballot and it sure the heck should have been. Maybe its in the back of people's mind though when Trump starts talking.

Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (sI15f)

74 My biggest issue with Trump is that he got taken in so many ways due to his belief in the oldtime goodness of establishment and thought it was just a few bad actors. Why would we assume that 4 years later pushing 80 he's a completely different man? I would rather see one of the younger and harder candidates.

Posted by: azjaeger at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (qltl3)

75 Remember, though, ace, the GOPe aided and abetted the DNC demonizing half the country.

I've already seen a former Bushie proclaiming the end of Trumpism due to this election.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (5pTK/)

76 So people were casting votes for Fetterneck in the last week of September. When the July-August passions over Dobbs were still hot.

and while the extent of his brain damage was being actively hidden by the MFM.

Posted by: toby928 at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (yQpMk)

77 >>>And the Democrat Party is creating these dehumanization campaigns effectively enough. The last campaign convinced the midwits that the people the Democrat Party is using government power to censor, surveil, and jail are The Real Fascists, and that the midwits should therefore feel Scorn towards them, and feel a swell of Unearned Superiority towards them.

Powerful.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (yHsuS)

78 My #1 thought after paying for groceries this morning is how do we stop the fraud? Especially when most of us don't live where the fraud is rampant?

Posted by: Catherine at November 09, 2022 12:18 PM (ZSsrh)

I got my ID scrutinized by a poll worker yesterday, plus Iowa really doesn't allow mail-in voting. They do, however, allow early voting, and from my experience in 2020, my town's procedure is a bit shaky on security.

Going forward, we need to hammer: ONE PERSON. ONE VOTE. ONE DAY.

Posted by: pookysgirl, exhausted from failing to put out last night's fires at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (XKZwp)

79 The thing that was misleading was believing that a red wave was going to be so big that states that DO NOT elect Republicans were going to magically somehow do it this time. There was never any chance a Republican governor was going to win in Oregon, as I've run down many times before. I know it felt nice to imagine that but seriously? Listen to Oregonians when they talk about their own state and its politics.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (Ivdso)

80 50 >>>That was a big reason people backed Trump. He wasn't owned.

bullshit, he took all the money from the RNC, he spent very very little of his own money. he's a cheapskate.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (C1Zwz)

It's hard to argue that Trump was acting at the behest of the GOP. Maybe you could argue that he's evidence that taking their money doesn't make one beholden.

In general though he was fundraising plenty off of small donors.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (eYoxG)

81 But I really thought kemp would pull walker over the line. Almost, but not quite.

Posted by: MJ at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (zwDuR)

82 >>>I give up on this country. I really do.

There's a tiny little part of me that hopes this feeling is temporary but I just really don't know.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above!

Biden destroyed America in twelve months. We still have three more years of this, possibly more.

I'm on the train with some of the others earlier. I want the Democrats and blue cities to get it good and hard. This is what you want? Enjoy every second of it.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (d2bW3)

83 Who woulda thunk Florida Man was going to be the only sane voter?

Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (v0R5T)

84 "bullshit, he took all the money from the RNC, he spent very very little of his own money. he's a cheapskate.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (C1Zwz)"

Good grief. It's amazing people don't know this. It's part of the reason the RNC just came out in advance and said they would not foot his legal bills.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (eacmp)

85 "they are affluent enough to not care as much about minor little things like gas costing six dollars a gallon and chicken breast costing almost $8 a pound"

I tried to explain this to my mother, who was much more distraught than I was (I'm just confused). I gave her the example of myself and my wife. We're very upper middle class, we have relatively secure jobs in stable industries, and we get to work at our laptops from home. We locked in our mortgage at a low rate, we don't have to drive for work, we can send our daughter to private school, and our stock portfolio going down just means that we can buy more stock cheaper.

If we weren't staunchly conservative, we'd be perfectly happy with the current status quo. The people bearing the burden of the Democrat policies are *other people.* Not us.

Posted by: Chris Valentine at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (lMl9W)

86 Brian in New Orleans

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Did you sign the recall?

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (1dzqn)

87 18k mail ballots counted in Washoe County, NV.

Gop had slight lead, which is huge.

Posted by: I guess I'll tell them at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (CBkgK)

88 I think I'd want to see some good data before concluding that abortion explains the election. There's really so much more to despise about the GOP.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (ppBhU)

89 Or even that their 401K's have lost one third to 40% of their value."

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PLUS multiply that by the 50% inflation in everyday items.

401Ks are realistically worth 1/3rd to 1/2 when that is taken into account.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (hub+L)

90 Yup.

As Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

And, Ace, I think you analysis about abortion is correct.

Early voting was the Dims secret weapon, so to speak.

The were all riled up about abortion and it took control of their LowIQ Smooth Brains long enough for them to forget high prices/inflation/etc

and protest vote for abortion.

When/If they calmed down, it didn't matter. They had locked in their vote for Venezuela.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (KLPy8)

91 >>>I give up on this country. I really do

"Why are you learning all of Switzerland's languages, ace?"

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (C1Zwz)

92 70 A few notes:

Trending red areas continue to trend red. Same for blue. The cheat in the cities will continue.

I can’t state this enough - normal people see nothing that we see here. They see Biden as erudite and skillful. Their news is so carefully curated that not one criticism gets through.

High prices? That’s republicans fault for being racist. For real, this is the message. And it works.
Posted by: MJ at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (zwDuR)

Google has perfected this. Conservatives are bombarded with messaging from all sides. Libs and LIVs see nothing beyond their bubble.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (KbCG3)

93 44 >>>The air is crisp and cold and the smell of the leaves and the salty sea is calming and centering.
Go for a walk.

imma do that today. I wanted to get out yesterday but couldn't manage it.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (C1Zwz)

I already took my hour long walk - it's really beautiful in VA in Nov...

Posted by: Nova local at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (exHjb)

94 Cereal isn't "kinda pricey."

Food has doubled in price since Biden took office.
Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (hub+L)

I seriously doubt he buys cereal, unless it's the hoity-toity granola from whole foods. The fact that he is dumping on the cheapest breakfast food for most families shows his disconnect for the American middle class who are now struggling and that he prefers to make light of it.

Posted by: Moki at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (JrN/x)

95 Anonymous sources with deep connections, guys.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (44ww/)

96 The Airing of Grievances?

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (59A0p)

97 Outside of Florida what was the message that most of the GOP ran on? Do you know? I don't really think there was. ...
Posted by: buzzion at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (aRLgQ)
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There was. In most races, as far as I can tell, it amounted to "we're not them."

If you're going to win on that, things have to be bad enough to overcome the political tribal identity factor. I thought things were bad enough. They weren't.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (DU+/6)

98 85 Who woulda thunk Florida Man was going to be the only sane voter?
Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (v0R5T)

lol, right?

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (mnUzy)

99 bullshit, he took all the money from the RNC, he spent very very little of his own money. he's a cheapskate.

He's worth a billion dollars less now than he was when he started running for office, what happened to all that cash? Did he light it in a gigantic pyramid like the Joker?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (Ivdso)

100 The Democrats' Covid Tyranny, of course, has millions of passionate Mask Baathists who voted not for Covid Amnesty but for Covid Vengeance, vengeance against those who have dared to unmask over the past year. The Democrats still very much count upon these jihadists as party loyalists.

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Yes, the Branch Covidians.

Enjoying the unemotional, well-reasoned autopsy thus far, Ace.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (h6oY9)

101 Great post, ace, but what's the way forward? Sounds kind of like the Democrats have an invincible weapon. The environment for this election was set up as well as possible for the Republicans, and they blew their wad such as it was before dinner was over. Maybe it takes real pain and actual, demonstrated, successful solutions to push them over. That could be the lesson of Florida and DeSantis. The GOP never really nationalized the election, except to sit back and comfort themselves that the voters would hand them the election because they could see how terrible everything is with Democrat control.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (Gu48G)

102 I'm certain there was a lot of fraud here in Michigan.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (JMAcK)
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And we voted in an amendment that says that only the elected Secretary of State can challenge the vote.

Michigan just stuck a "Kick Me" sign on its own back.

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (krQz2)

103 we need to embrace and adapt to the new post covid voting normal, it's not enough to turn people out on election day, we have to get into the grift of shaking reluctant voters who are sympathetic to the cause down for votes in the months leading up to elections.

If I had the power, I'd ban early voting entirely, perhaps make election day a federal holiday, but since that's never going to happen we have to get used to get in the game.

Posted by: Receptaculum Ignis at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (g4em/)

104 Tom Nichols must not be struggling with a budget for food, mortgage/rent, medicine, utilities, gas, clothes, etc for his family. Must be nice.

Tom's Twitter handle is "RadioFreeTom". With inflation it should now be "RadioFiveBuckTom".

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (ZGrMX)

105 Democracy in this country has failed like Democracy always fails. Fetterneck illustrates this. A mentally damaged hoodie wearing moron is now a senator. That might be worse than a horse. He was either legitimately elected or the election was stolen. Both explanations show what a farce this has become. Voting harder isn't going to fix it.

Posted by: WiNO at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (tRMJH)

106 Maggie ran hard on abortion. Looks like she choses the right strategy.

Posted by: Caliban at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (ni2c1)

107 >>>That doesn't let us off the hook for having failed to counter this. That doesn't let us off the hook for having failed to beat them.

If by "us" you mean GOPe, then I agree wholeheartedly. There is no excuse for the Grahams, McConnells, and McCarthys of the establishment failing to run on anything at all or actively sabotaging candidates under the putative banner. But that is who GOPe is.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (yHsuS)

108 Nice to see the trolls are worse than Lace Wigs today.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (d2bW3)

109 The problem wasn't the SCOTUS win. It was what the GOP did with it. We constantly heard how the Dem extreme position on abortion wasn't popular. That is correct. Do you know what else is unpopular? Total or near total abortion bans. DeSantis signed a ban on abortion after 15 weeks. He won by 20 points.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (xPl2J)

110 I for one am going to have fun pointing and laughing at Fetterlump, or when his wife takes over, Festering-Pump, for the next six years.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (eacmp)

111 "that's why [Trump] let lots of drug dealers out of prison"

Whoa! Ace goes there.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (24fqN)

112
I'm a longtime Republican and Trump supporter. Unfortunately last night convinced me. MAGA is over, and we need more reasonable respectable and dare I say socially liberal candidates who don't scare the wine moms.
Posted by: Reagan Is Awesome
___________________

Tanned, rested and ready I am

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (vwCZJ)

113 Not to belabor it, but the GOP should have been able to counter the Abortion argument. Hell, they could've even discussed how it would be handled in the coming Congress. But they never bothered to try. They let the Dems say whatever, and so voters reacted to support those who were talking about it.

Posted by: Im Your Huckleberry at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (Xpy+E)

114 I don't think abortion was a factor. In fact, I don't think ANY actual issue was really a factor. Issues don't matter any more. Candidates don't matter any more. What matters is how much the electoral apparatus and process can be gamed. When you've got 6+ weeks of early "voting," it literally does not matter who the Dumocrap candidate is or what they say. They will win. Just look at PA.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (iFTx/)

115 Ah Ace mentions Johnah. As I was checking election results online I saw an ad for a clip from CNN about a conservative reacts to Dr Oz loss. Guess who it was.

Posted by: anon2020 at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (RqMDa)

116 Nice to see the trolls are worse than Lace Wigs today.

I kind of miss Lace Wigs and Machines For Sale.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (ZGrMX)

117 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (Y5qcH)

118 >>> Great post, ace, but what's the way forward?

oh I don't know about that, this is all I have so far. i'm very tired from being up last night. plus i think I had stress dreams.

to be honest I think I have a solution but a lot of people just aren't ready to hear it.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (C1Zwz)

119 Does anyone have the figures on voter turnout? I still can't understand the theory that pro abortion people would have voted for Republicans if it were not for Roe v Wade being overturned.

Again if it caused a tremendous increase in voter turnout then I would change that opinion.

Posted by: polynikes at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (nQA9k)

120 we need to embrace and adapt to the new post covid voting normal

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Has anyone explained why mail in ballots are still being used?

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (hub+L)

121 Just discovered they added another sales tax. State one is 7%. Now find another for 2%.

As if food isn't expensive enough.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (59A0p)

122 49 >>>That was a big reason people backed Trump. He wasn't owned.

bullshit, he took all the money from the RNC, he spent very very little of his own money. he's a cheapskate.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (C1Zwz)

Amen - he knows how to talk to get paid. But he won't spend it for us - he'll spend others' money, but not money we give him.

I'm honestly in the "new blood" category for 2024, ESPECIALLY b/c we will be running against an invalid, so any way to show that dichotomy will help us.

Oh, you think after last night, Biden's leaving? Hell no - he'll talk about how awesome he did at keeping losses down at a tough time. And D's can't impeach him. So, he's in til death do us part...or 2024's election...

Posted by: Nova local at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (exHjb)

123 >>>They can run whatever racial/class play they need to. They are amoral and without conscience. Their only morality is Marxism.

Shit Sun-Tzu would have said.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (yHsuS)

124 I know there are many competing issues today but how in heaven's name could the Boss and the COBs missed that it is National Scrapple Day?!

I can't even.

Be better boys, be better.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (LsEU/)

125 The Airing of Grievances?
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (59A0p)

since the blog is a text based medium the test of strength will be replaced with "Yo Mamma So Fat" jokes.

Posted by: Robert at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (/tVYh)

126
Yes, this is what I was considering as well. as a people, we are self selecting where we want to live. i honestly think eventually we will break up as a country along these lines.
Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (mnUzy)

From your lips to G-d's ears.

There are a few outcomes possible from here. One is that the country breaks up, and that's far from the worst possible scenario.

Having most of our people concentrated in defensible, clearly delineated geographic areas, and ready to fight for their lives when the time comes is a big deal.

Whether we stay a single political unit or not, the Left will initiate an attempted genocide sometime during this generation. Best to position ourselves for success, as they say.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (oINRc)

127 Too lazy to look. Someone last night posted a comment from Mitt Romney that said the impending red wave was due to Mitch McConnell's leadership.

Was that tweet real? If so, is it still up?

Talk about posting your Ls.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (KbCG3)

128 Let them slaughter babies and go to Hell
Posted by: Skip's phone at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM (8hzro)
........

Mutilate a few confused tweens while they're at it.

Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (v0R5T)

129 It's the worst possible outcome.

Both parties survived.

Posted by: DaveA at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (FhXTo)

130 And BiNO, that's kinda my point? MO does that. How in the world does it make PA do that? The TX lawsuit after 2020 that the SC punted on basically makes it impossible.

Posted by: Catherine at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (ZSsrh)

Elections are run by the states. No state can make another state do anything. It's up to the people who live there.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (CQ3Qb)

131 Nothing to add to this, Ace. As usual, you've encapsulated my inchoate thoughts and penned a clear, concise essay.

My only minor quibble - which I know you've addressed before, but I think needs to be restated here - comes off of your introduction: "As the GOP prepares for post-mortems and mutual recriminations -- and some of that will be necessary -- it's also important to keep in mind that in any contest, the other team has strengths as well, and they get their time with the ball too. And that they're going to score."

We also need to remember that a significant portion of 'our' team (a portion, IMO, which is larger than we like to think) is actively helping the other team to get the ball. Your Romneys, McConnells, McCarthys et al do not care about 'winning,' and, in fact, prefer to lose and use that as an excuse for being hamstrung, rather than do the difficult work of governing.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. Girthy post, boss.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (AW0uW)

132 What do you mean about abortion? That was a Supreme Court decision, not Republican legislation? Should the GOP have slipped notes to Kavanaugh and Thomas and told them to stand down?

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (Gu48G)

133 Lindsey Graham could have kept her mouth shut about a Federal abortion ban for a couple of months, but I guess if there's not a dick in his gob, he's going to blurt stuff out that's better left unsaid.

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (vZqvS)

134 5 The House switches to republicans and the senate comes down to the runoff in Georgia. Not a great night, but not a horrible one either.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2022 12:15 PM (bVYXr)

Got rid of SP Maloney. Probably more due to Dems punishing him than not, but I'm taking the win.
Its time to realize McConnell is not on our side.
We see the difference free and fair elections make. See Fla. vs PA. we have to fight for them.

Posted by: Iblis at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (QJYfj)

135 If abortion was such a powerful driver yesterday, that negates all the polls that show it was way down on the list of priorities. It doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (sVtYq)

136 Not to belabor it, but the GOP should have been able to counter the Abortion argument. Hell, they could've even discussed how it would be handled in the coming Congress. But they never bothered to try. They let the Dems say whatever, and so voters reacted to support those who were talking about it.

Both parties used abortion as failure theatre fodder. Only the Dems actually moved beyond that when Clarence Thomas ended that particular gravy train.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (ZGrMX)

137 That doesn't let us off the hook for having failed to counter this. That doesn't let us off the hook for having failed to beat them.

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Yeah, I'm still fairly flabbergasted that the GOP didn't bother campaigning.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (hub+L)

138 I know someone who for years thought the price of gas should skyrocket to force people into using hybrids and eCars. He's an intelligent guy, but had enough wealth that it didn't matter if doing so would make the little guy suffer.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

139 121 we need to embrace and adapt to the new post covid voting normal

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And the GOP will do exactly that, five minutes after the Dems change all the rules again and devise new ways to cheat.

Stop fighting the last war.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (1dzqn)

140 bullshit, he took all the money from the RNC, he spent very very little of his own money. he's a cheapskate.

Seems like he's just a businessman. Why fund something risky with your own scoobs when you can get someone else to fund it? Fuck the RNC in particular.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (tBR6g)

141 The Airing of Grievances?
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (59A0p)

*stretches in preparation for The Feats of Strength*

Posted by: toby928 at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (yQpMk)

142 And no, Americans do not consider the Jan 6 rioters to be mostly peaceful tourists.
And by 2 to 1 Americans want women to be able to choose
Posted by: Paul at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (sP/jr)
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So they should remain in jail without bail because Americans don't like them?

Meanwhile, actual felons are just the type of people you want voting. I know that it would probably boggle you trying to explain hypocrisy to you.

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (krQz2)

143 119 >>> Great post, ace, but what's the way forward?

oh I don't know about that, this is all I have so far. i'm very tired from being up last night. plus i think I had stress dreams.

to be honest I think I have a solution but a lot of people just aren't ready to hear it.
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (C1Zwz)

It better not just be shucking Trump. That's not a magic bullet. Making one guy or one thing a MacGuffin for everything going wrong isn't a good approach to actually evaluating strengths and weaknesses.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (eYoxG)

144 This is false ace!!! I've been told by commenters here that the left is stupid, incompetent, disorganized, etc more than once by respected commenters. Whenever I've said to stop underestimating the bastards its "oh stop they're not omnipresent Gods' happened to me the other day by a commenter.

Posted by: JROD at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (0jZnq)

145 to be honest I think I have a solution but a lot of people just aren't ready to hear it.
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (C1Zwz)

Type it then delete it.

Because, well, I think types deletes is the answer.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (pwExq)

146 "The fact is there are people locked up from being at the capitol on January 6. Trump could have pardoned them before he left office. He didn't."

Has DJT paid for any of their legal defenses or family upkeep?

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (24fqN)

147 >>>I kind of miss Lace Wigs and Machines For Sale.

Posted by: Ian S.

In fairness, they did have their charm.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (d2bW3)

148 JMHO, but I don’t think Ron DeSantis will run in 2024 bc of Casey. She looks so fragile and, even though she beat cancer, she still doesn’t look near 100%. RD knows how the left celebrated her possible death here in FL. I think he was honest when he said he would serve his full term until 2026.

Posted by: EveR at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (EZeuH)

149 Did Roscoe Coltrane down in Hazzard County win re-election?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (anj39)

150 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you!

That should be the start of the morning rant every day.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (ZGrMX)

151 Good morning Ace, keep your left up, keep moving.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (V6f9+)

152 Going forward, we need to hammer: ONE PERSON. ONE VOTE. ONE DAY.

ONE HAMMER.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (jXjfE)

153 The House switches to republicans

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Facts not in evidence (or whatever that phrase is)

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (hub+L)

154 "As the GOP prepares for post-mortems and mutual recriminations -- and some of that will be necessary -- it's also important to keep in mind that in any contest, the other team has strengths as well, and they get their time with the ball too. And that they're going to score"

I'm not saying you're wrong, but don't forget this isn't a game. These people are kicking in doors over political speech with swat teams on a monthly basis here. People are getting robbed/raped/murdered every week by illegals they've shipped in, or known criminals they've released. Untold number of families have had their livelihoods destroyed over the last two years of assorted bullshit and you can't send your kids off to school without fear of some government-endorsed freak molesting them.
This doesn't end when the other side says "oh well, red team scored more points, I guess we're done here". They're not dehumanizing us because it's effective at the ballot box; they're doing it because they understand where this is all going, and because that destination is deliberate. Know your area, know your neighbors - decide whether either are worth fighting for and decide now whether you stay and fight or GTFO

Posted by: somedood at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (WtAgB)

155 It better not just be shucking Trump. That's not a magic bullet. Making one guy or one thing a MacGuffin for everything going wrong isn't a good approach to actually evaluating strengths and weaknesses.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (eYoxG)

Oh you just stole that MacGuffin thing from Jonah Goldberg!

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (pwExq)

156 >>>136 If abortion was such a powerful driver yesterday, that negates all the polls that show it was way down on the list of priorities. It doesn't make any sense.

i don't know if the polls were very accurate. also abortion was "down the list," but it still was respectable in percentage terms. it just wasn't in the top 5.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (C1Zwz)

157 We had the Turtle pulling funding in critical states because the R candidates weren't CoC Rs. Turtle is more than happy with the status quo, and was willing to do what needed to be done to keep it.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (ynpvh)

158 Abortion played a role and Trump is a net negative in any purple or blue state. His schtick only works in states we were going to win anyway.

Also, don't be surprised if running on "elections are rigged" means your supporters believe you and thus think voting is a waste of their time.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (PwNLq)

159 "to be honest I think I have a solution but a lot of people just aren't ready to hear it."

I am ready and eager to hear it.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (24fqN)

160 "shucking Trump" is necessary but not sufficient. It doesn't matter what I say, it's happening, and it's going to be painful.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (Gu48G)

161 I thought Mail in ballots were just to make it easier for the Ds to cheat

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (BSsns)

162 Not to belabor it, but the GOP should have been able to counter the Abortion argument. Hell, they could've even discussed how it would be handled in the coming Congress.
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And then Lindsay Graham launched that nation-wide ban bill.

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (krQz2)

163 >>>I give up on this country. I really do

"Why are you learning all of Switzerland's languages, ace?"
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (C1Zwz)
.......

Wish they'd let me buy coastal property in Mexico.
(I want some place warm)

Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (v0R5T)

164 As if food isn't expensive enough.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM

Walmart just upped the hot dog and hamburger buns by 10% in the last few days. They were $1.00 last time I bought them and this morning they were $1.10.

They had held steady on their price for the past 4 years.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (bVYXr)

165 I don't think abortion mattered as much as ACE fears, but he's always been a culture war/social conservatism skeptic from way back. Yes, it had an impact, but the cheat machine was always in place and very confidently and repeatedly predicted here so any red wave was always going to crash on those rocks and break up.

Things are better today than they were last election, but there is a tremendous amount of work to be done to clean up elections and we all know what needs to be done. Until then, we'll never see honest or even semi-honest elections and people need to understand that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (Ivdso)

166 We can't even impeach Biden with the piddly House Majority that we still might not get. There will always be at least ten Liz Cheney Republicans who won't impeach unless the Democrat President committed murder on live stream and no Democrat will vote for impeaching Slow Joe.

Posted by: Gunner at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (CvVND)

167 Oh you just stole that MacGuffin thing from Jonah Goldberg!

Jonah Goldberg stole so much from Ace that it's fine to steal things back.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (ZGrMX)

168 159 Abortion played a role and Trump is a net negative in any purple or blue state. His schtick only works in states we were going to win anyway.

Also, don't be surprised if running on "elections are rigged" means your supporters believe you and thus think voting is a waste of their time.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (PwNLq)

If you can't overcome the margin of cheating, then it probably is.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (ynpvh)

169 159 Abortion played a role and Trump is a net negative in any purple or blue state. His schtick only works in states we were going to win anyway.

Also, don't be surprised if running on "elections are rigged" means your supporters believe you and thus think voting is a waste of their time.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (PwNLq)

Trump broke the blue wall. His voter distribution is better in certain blue and purple states. We're not going to be aiming for some of those states unless Trump is the candidate because that's not a realistic strategy.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (eYoxG)

170 Results courtesy of the IC.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, hoarder and wrecker at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (g03CO)

171 Well I think I'll spend the afternoon admiring my bathroom remodel.

Posted by: CN doesn't miss Xiden at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (Zzbjj)

172 ace, get some rest. You know what they say, "If you don't have your health, you don't have anything."

I think it was the Six-Fingered Man who said that, but still...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, who is not a doctor at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (PiwSw)

173 The Airing of Grievances?

The dog did it.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (jXjfE)

174 And no, Americans do not consider the Jan 6 rioters to be mostly peaceful tourists.

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Paul accidentally hits on something there. Americans don't understand issues any longer. It's on purpose, of course, with education and manipulation, but remember that half the nation is functionally illiterate. They're not going to grasp things like freedom or empathy.

And they vote.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (hub+L)

175 "But we should likewise resist imagining the Democrats as one-foot-tall Jonah Goldbergs unable to take three steps without stepping on the dick of the better-endowed studs servicing their wives. "

Quality Cruelty, too.

See, we can still have nice things.

For example, I have a second PSA Dagger and I'll ready falling foolishly in love with it.

And with Summer Soderstrom.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (V6f9+)

176 The Airing of Grievances?

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (59A0p)

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Festivus now comes early every two-year cycle.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (h6oY9)

177 "Yeah, I'm still fairly flabbergasted that the GOP didn't bother campaigning.
Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (hub+L)"

Why?

How much more failure theater, and how many more Romneys/McCains/McMullins/Cheneys do you need to see to understand what is going on?

Posted by: somedood at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (WtAgB)

178 Did you sign the recall?

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (1dzqn)

For the Destroya? I'm not a resident of the city proper (thank geebus).

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (CQ3Qb)

179 Also, I’m still struggling with the fact that people actually want Fetterman to be their Senator
Posted by: Jay in PA

There's not enough brain damage in government!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (FVME7)

180 >>>174 The Airing of Grievances?

I got a lot of problems with you people!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (d2bW3)

181 They're good at it because they have the media in their hip pocket. They face very little scrutiny, and therefore, the public remains easily fooled and misled. They never get to see the ugly underbelly of what the Democrat party is really all about. They're rarely questioned. They're rarely opposed. They're rarely exposed. As much as I don't want to admit it, the media provides them wide protection, even though conservative media sources have made inroads. It's easy to be good at something in politics, if the mainstream media is 100% behind your sails.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (sVtYq)

I think this is exactly right and is the reason that the Republican brand has been so effectively destroyed. The media is the Praetorian Guard for the Democrat Party. They decide what the country thinks and the clapping seals that comprise a critical mass go right along with it, with absolutely no critical thinking applied. Sad to say, but true, IMO.

Media Delenda Est. Really.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (Is5+x)

182 A nasty little trick the democrats pulled was including Everybody in their evil marxist state is god plans over the last 70 plus years.

The social security ponzi scheme, medicare/medicaid, EBT, Head Start Indoctrination Baby Centers, earned income welfare for broodmares, government grooming centers. A prison system invented to secure votes.

We all have or have been involved with and soiled by these with or without our permission.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (QIOpg)

183 Another takeaway from the election is that we have to stop believing our own bullshit and recognize that at least 45% of the country is truly bat-shit-crazy insane. At least 45% of the population is totally down with mutilating confused young girls, normalizing pedophilia, abortion until the sweet sixteen, endless wars in countries most couldn't locate on a map, massive corruption, crime and homeless-ridden streets, and fascism. We don't want to believe this. But we must.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (iFTx/)

184 Let's here it, ace.

And all of the things you say about the Dems are correct, but none of it would matter if the electorate didn't respond. To the point, now, of literally seriously damaging their own lives and prospects. The key governor races, lost (MI PA WI) - I don't see much of the stuff you outlined playing there, but maybe I'm wrong. Those results are easily as troubling, and possibly much more important, than the "red whimper".

And "Mask Ba'athists". Oh yeah. Classic ace poetry there.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (OTzUX)

185 "I give up on this country. I really do"

I've given up on the idea that I have a responsibility or duty to 'save' America. America does not want to be 'saved' by me or my ideas, so it is healthier not to fret about it too much.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (24fqN)

186 MAGA "tribalism" is Americanism, which imo is much stronger than their Marxism. But indeed They get to run their plays, and they do it with the full force of The Death Star ...which is all the FBI/DOJ, all BigTech, BigBank and BigCorp, and Hollywood still a factor.

So yeah, even though Americanism is still a winner, They divide people on race/creed/sex etc., and have all the machinery. Appealing to MAGA still wins (see Florida, TX several states) ... and there is nothing wrong with appealing to that sort of "tribalism". One nation, under God ... that sort of thang.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (Cus5s)

187 And no, Americans do not consider the Jan 6 rioters to be mostly peaceful tourists.
And by 2 to 1 Americans want women to be able to choose
Posted by: Paul

If you are going to call them rioters, produce their weapons.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (RvuYE)

188 162 I thought Mail in ballots were just to make it easier for the Ds to cheat

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (BSsns)

They are. In Kali if you have a driver's license (and supposedly only if you are a citizen) you get automatically registered to vote if you haven't already and everybody gets mail ballots. Also, there are drop boxes and ballot harvesting. All "legal".

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (ynpvh)

189 Trump broke the blue wall. His voter distribution is better in certain blue and purple states. We're not going to be aiming for some of those states unless Trump is the candidate because that's not a realistic strategy.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (eYoxG)

Agreed, but PA and MI are gone, so we need a new strategy anyway. OH and FL are here to stay. We need to play in different battlegrounds.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (Gu48G)

190 Six months of reading tea leaves followed by two weeks of second guessing and recriminations.
'Tis the season to be silly.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (BJKQV)

191 We didn't do as well as I hoped. The places we lost like Michigan, NY and Penn, and the delay in Az, where I thought we would do better are also states that failed to address voting. Florida's Red Wave comes on the heels of a great governor and election reforms. Ohio is solid red save for Clevo, Columbus and Cincinnati, but we require voter ID and sig verification.

Posted by: Fool Otto at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (DB16e)

192 >Posted by: Reagan Is Awesome at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (ghx4b)

Thank you, seminar caller.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (dReA3)

193 I am amazed by the sheer masochism of voters here in MN. To look at the record of leadership here over the past four years and say "yes, more please" is insane.

However, the state GOP here can best be described as a circular firing squad. Emmer is a shit stick. When Jensen won the gubernatorial endorsement, the moneyed establishment basically said "good luck, we are out". And because he was a bad candidate with no institutional support, it sank the rest of the ballot. If the MN GOP can't win in this environment, something is well and truly fucked.

Until the intraparty feud between the outstate populists and the metropolitan old guard is figured out, there is no hope here. In a state that Trump lost by a point in 2016. The stupid party indeed.

Posted by: Milquetoast mortgage-paying neighbor in flyover country at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (RTFfA)

194 161 "shucking Trump" is necessary but not sufficient. It doesn't matter what I say, it's happening, and it's going to be painful.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM (Gu48G)

How do you minimize lost working class voters and what gains is this intended to bring?

Everyone should be able to take a level-headed look and say "Hey Trump has good rapport with working class voters and pisses off the college educated." and then start thinking about what that means in how we should approach things.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (eYoxG)

195 the GOP will take from this the totally wrong message

they wil think they can still persuade the middle ith an economic message and they will try to get the best of deals cut with Biden

they wil fail on many levels

the midde can be persuaded with proof of absolute proof of corruption

this is were the GOP need to go, balls to the wall

Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (us2H3)

196 I had heard that there were 675,000 early voting ballots in PA before the Goiterneck/Oz debates.

My 2 cents is this:

No More Early Voting - Make Election Day a Federal Holiday. Get rid of MLK day or Juneteenth. The only people who are permitted to receive an absentee ballot is a person who is in the military or can prove they cannot physically make it to the polls.

All States should adopt an Electoral College style voting for Federal offices (Senate races) and Governor.

If we cannot do that maybe we need another Revolution 2.0 to get this country back on track.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (qoLdL)

197 So let's game this out. What Republican can win PA now?

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (pwExq)

198 136 If abortion was such a powerful driver yesterday, that negates all the polls that show it was way down on the list of priorities. It doesn't make any sense.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 12:30 PM (sVtYq)

Because I highly doubt that it is. The "BUT MY ABORTIONZ!!!" crowd has always been highly motivated voters. Just like the super pro-life crowd are highly motivated. These are the type of people that turn out no matter what. And you've got to have a real shit show of a candidate to demotivate them. I still say its the lack of a coherent message from the GOP. And I say that is intentional on their traitorous part. And the back and forth shouting of the next 2 years of DeSantis or Trump isn't going fix that.

Posted by: buzzion at November 09, 2022 12:36 PM (aRLgQ)

199 Look at it this way. If R's had swept the board and gotten into office and F'd things up royally, which is something that GOPe et al are good at, then the electorate would want to swing left again and that wouldn't be good for the 2024 prez nominee. So, it is what it is.

Posted by: Sphynx at November 09, 2022 12:36 PM (P6qMv)

200 "164 >>>I give up on this country. I really do

"Why are you learning all of Switzerland's languages, ace?"
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (C1Zwz)
.......

Wish they'd let me buy coastal property in Mexico.
(I want some place warm)
Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (v0R5T)"

Switzerland isn't at the top of the list but it's on it. After 2020 we shifted in earnest to planning to get all of out kids out of North America. We expect to stay behind but we don't think there is a future here for them.

Posted by: somedood at November 09, 2022 12:36 PM (WtAgB)

201 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (V6f9+)

Heh! Right hand up, left hand out. Never too tired to jab...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 09, 2022 12:36 PM (tBR6g)

202 Can someone send Paul to the barrel, or gulag, or somewhere?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:36 PM (d2bW3)

203 Why?

How much more failure theater, and how many more Romneys/McCains/McMullins/Cheneys do you need to see to understand what is going on?

Posted by: somedood

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Oh, I'll admit to being a romantic dumbass.

Most ripe, winnable, emotional election in decades, and the Republicans were silent on pretty much every issue.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:36 PM (hub+L)

204 Good morning Ace, keep your left up, keep moving.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (V6f9+)

Stay away from women. They weaken the legs.

Posted by: toby928 at November 09, 2022 12:36 PM (yQpMk)

205 "Oh you just stole that MacGuffin thing from Jonah Goldberg!"

JG stole it from Hitchcock.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 12:36 PM (24fqN)

206 In the local good news department, the school bond for $60 million in slush money to do whatever they wanted to with it went down in flames. This time by over 10 points. Last time it was on the ballot it was defeated by a single vote.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2022 12:36 PM (bVYXr)

207 The other side does get the ball, and I think one of our big problems is that we weren't prepared to run plays, either offensively or defensively. I hate to sound like a typical Democrat on this, but *our messaging was bad.* Part of that is from running candidates who weren't thoughtful conservatives. You can't expect Oz or Walker (although I guess he still has a chance) to speak convincingly on conservative topics. Vance has been doing that for a long time, so he was fine.

What was the GOP really running on? As far as I could tell, there was no Contract With America that told everyone what we would do if they gave us power. We essentially ran on "Biden is senile" and "inflation is bad." Both of these are true, but they're only half of the message. We didn't have an offense, really. We just expected the Democrats to fumble. And they didn't fumble on every drive.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (4QgJj)

208 191 Trump broke the blue wall. His voter distribution is better in certain blue and purple states. We're not going to be aiming for some of those states unless Trump is the candidate because that's not a realistic strategy.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (eYoxG)

Agreed, but PA and MI are gone, so we need a new strategy anyway. OH and FL are here to stay. We need to play in different battlegrounds.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (Gu48G)

I would like to see a comparative. I do think it's reasonable to say that MI and PA might very well be off the table even with Trump, but how does Trump's path look as compared to another path, and who would best execute this other path?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (eYoxG)

209 And if we dump Trump and DeSantis doesn't run, then what?

Nikki Haley?

FFS open your eyes.

Posted by: ... at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (ghx4b)
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Haley/Noem 2024 -- Two Hot Squishes for the Price of One!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (h6oY9)

210 On abortion, its very easy for you're religious to see that in black and white terms.

But to more secular people, and especially women, they know an unplanned pregnancy can ruin your life.

Republicans had a good thing going just being able to virtue signal "I'm pro life!" but women could still get abortions.

It is what it is, if you really care about this issue, I guess its worth it to you. But the reality is, abortion access is pretty much the same except for a few outliers.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (PwNLq)

211 CNN Exit Poll: 73% Of Americans Are “Angry” Or “Dissatisfied” With The Way Things Are Going Under Biden…

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I guess they want more free shit.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (FVME7)

212 "197 the GOP will take from this the totally wrong message

they wil think they can still persuade the middle ith an economic message and they will try to get the best of deals cut with Biden

they wil fail on many levels

the midde can be persuaded with proof of absolute proof of corruption

this is were the GOP need to go, balls to the wall
Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (us2H3)"

It doesn't matter what message the GOP takes from this because they don't represent you and don't give a shit about anything you care about.

Posted by: somedood at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (WtAgB)

213 The King Harv add for Morons is great

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (M+Lyo)

214 "They are amoral and without conscience. Their only morality is Marxism."

Indeed, and the people who dehumanize their opponents with race baiting are likely to disenfranchise those same opponents with fraud.

Posted by: Bubba at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (4ZLnC)

215 Up to 11 R House pick ups and 4 Ds for +7 R...still more to go...

Posted by: Nova local at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (exHjb)

216 Another good essay, Ace.

I take heart in the margins of defeat. Usually less than 10 percent. We are not alone. We are not some tiny fringe.

If they were not concerned about our numbers, they wouldn't need to cheat.

We aren't going to instantaneously zap everything back to normal. This will take several generations.

It's like water erosion of a rock. Eventually the sides are worn smooth. The rock stays rough only when the water stops flowing.

I'll close with a line spoken by the Dragon Lady in the comic strip "Terry and the Pirates":

"Did you think this would be easy??"

Posted by: Weak Geek at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (XC8Nd)

217 114 Not to belabor it, but the GOP should have been able to counter the Abortion argument. Hell, they could've even discussed how it would be handled in the coming Congress. But they never bothered to try. They let the Dems say whatever, and so voters reacted to support those who were talking about it.

Posted by: Im Your Huckleberry at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (Xpy+E)

LOL!!! Lindsey proposing a total abortion ban a month before the election wasn't an accident.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (CQ3Qb)

218 There was never any chance a Republican governor was going to win in Oregon, as I've run down many times before. I know it felt nice to imagine that but seriously? Listen to Oregonians when they talk about their own state and its politics.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (Ivdso)

Ditto, WA and Smiley. For my part, I did tell people that it would end 60/40 for the commie. That was just seat of the pants. 57/43, last I checked. Last polling was something like within 1 point, IIRC.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (yHsuS)

219 'Tis the season to be silly.

TIme to take down the gazebo.

Not an euphemism.

Posted by: DaveA at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (FhXTo)

220 Obviously abortion played some role in the voting.

Several states had an abortion question on the ballot.

So it's undeniable that some filthy whores definitely went to vote that perhaps otherwise wouldn't have,

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (xLqhd)

221 Hi from Scrapple!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (DceKn)

222 "His schtick only works in states we were going to win anyway."

Jeebus.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (OTzUX)

223 I wont vote for Chris Christie, Nikki Haley or Mike Pence. Im open to at least considering others, Trump included.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (mDuSb)

224 my significant other knows a large number of middle aged and older white women who spend their entire lives on social media frothing about how republicans are literally hitler.

none of these women have spouses.

a woman without a man in her life will find a replacement. the media-government complex is that replacement.

Posted by: nothappy at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (kIl8R)

225 >>>So let's game this out. What Republican can win PA now?

Posted by: blaster

Sean Parnell? Maybe? There aren't a lot of great politicians who can win PA. There are some decent legislators, who usually cannot win against a blue pol.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (d2bW3)

226 If the GOP wins the House, everyone can thank DeSantis for bucking his own Senate majority leader and fighting for a more favorable Congressional district map. A stark contrast to Trump letting McConnell and Ryan set his agenda for him and then crying about it afterwards.

Posted by: Keyser at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (Ceju1)

227 So let's game this out. What Republican can win PA now?
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (pwExq)

Is there an Arlen Specter Jr.?

Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (6FeV1)

228 159 Abortion played a role and Trump is a net negative in any purple or blue state. His schtick only works in states we were going to win anyway.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM

Exactly! That's why he failed so badly in PA, WI, MI in 2016, like most Republicans before him.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (JCZqz)

229 I thought Mail in ballots were just to make it easier for the Ds to cheat

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA

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That's the entire point. We've got vaccines that are safe and effective. Schools and businesses are open. Etc. etc.

Out of curiosity, did the state legislature vote to put mail in ballots in place indefinitely?

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (hub+L)

230 189 And no, Americans do not consider the Jan 6 rioters to be mostly peaceful tourists.
And by 2 to 1 Americans want women to be able to choose
Posted by: Paul

If you are going to call them rioters, produce their weapons.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (RvuYE)

That guy had poky horns on his head...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (ynpvh)

231 There is at least a silver lining. If Nevada and Alaska hold, we'll have congress. We can have gridlock through the rest of the recession and then take the white house in '24. We might not have gotten our red wave, but they won't get the executive office in two years.

Posted by: NeverBiden at November 09, 2022 12:39 PM (eIGHH)

232 Didn't the Dems push multiple states to have pro-abortion measures on the ballot? Rove used to do that with anti- gay measures back in the day, to goose turnout. Would be interesting for the math whiz types to see if that made a difference.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp, Ultra Mega MAGA at November 09, 2022 12:39 PM (fzEp8)

233 219 You’re going to shoot a humped cow?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2022 12:39 PM (DceKn)

234 Oh you just stole that MacGuffin thing from Jonah Goldberg!

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McDonald's goat sandwich?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at November 09, 2022 12:39 PM (FVME7)

235 How do you minimize lost working class voters and what gains is this intended to bring?

Everyone should be able to take a level-headed look and say "Hey Trump has good rapport with working class voters and pisses off the college educated." and then start thinking about what that means in how we should approach things.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (eYoxG)

Of course, but keep in mind the Democrats have flung off the working-class voters. Yes, Trump connected with them in a powerful way, but we can't ignore that the working class voters were more "there for the taking" after Obama firmly turned the Democrat party into the party of coastal AWFLs and investment bankers.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 09, 2022 12:39 PM (Gu48G)

236 Neither Trump nor DeSantis has a snowball"s chance in Hell if we spend the next two years tearing them down by arguing over which one is worse. Not one mind will be changed.

Divided we fall.

Posted by: Toad-O at November 09, 2022 12:39 PM (cct0t)

237 Trump wants to be loved by the establishment. that's why he can't stop kissing up the new York times.

I'd still vote for Teh Donald if he runs, but his schizo attitude to the MFM pisses me off no end. He rightly slams them as "enemies of the people," yet goes out of his way to coddle and embrace them and give them access to himself and his family.

Kari Lake has the right approach - kick the bastards in the balls, repeatedly. Tell them to their faces that they are lying sacks of shit who are only by the grace of God not on trial for treason.

The MFM IS the enemy of the people. Treat them like the saboteurs they are and not as legitimate actors in the political world!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 09, 2022 12:40 PM (AW0uW)

238 I live in Texas and still have seven American flags flying on my street. Kind of hard to get to the ' I give up on America' feeling but I understand why others might.

Posted by: polynikes at November 09, 2022 12:40 PM (nQA9k)

239 197 So let's game this out. What Republican can win PA now?
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (pwExq)

Only hypothetical I know of is Trump for PA and blue wall states. Can we win without PA?

I'm not super familiar with DeSantis, but he's Hispanic, so idk maybe he wins more there, does that open up enough western states for that to be realistic?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:40 PM (eYoxG)

240 AZ looks like a Dem senate win
Posted by: Paul at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (sP/jr)

You mean a hold?

Posted by: toby928 at November 09, 2022 12:40 PM (yQpMk)

241 a woman without a man in her life will find a replacement. the media-government complex is that replacement.
Posted by: nothappy at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (kIl8R)

Literally, Obama's "I am Julia"

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 09, 2022 12:40 PM (PiwSw)

242 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 09, 2022 12:40 PM (jjhH3)

243 Hiya Moki !

How ya doin' ?

Posted by: JT at November 09, 2022 12:40 PM (T4tVD)

244 I’m still struggling with the fact that people actually want Fetterman to be their Senator

From a Let It Burn perspective, I kind of like the idea of sending stroke-addled morons to DC to gum up the works. But even that's problematic.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2022 12:40 PM (ZGrMX)

245 196 All States should adopt an Electoral College style voting for Federal offices (Senate races) and Governor.

If we cannot do that maybe we need another Revolution 2.0 to get this country back on track.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (qoLdL)

They Blue states will not give up on the good thing they got from the COVID lockdowns; they like the "flexibility" of their voting systems.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (ynpvh)

246 Jan-6 was a conspiracy to take over government by inducing 1 stroke in a Capitol fake-cop a day later!

-- Stupid shit Paul believes.

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (krQz2)

247 Posted by: Reagan Is Awesome at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM (ghx4b)

If you sound like a troll and you are using a proxy you are probably going to get banned.

Even if you aren't a troll...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (XIJ/X)

248 I still say its the lack of a coherent message from the GOP.

I'm a bit skeptical. Brian Kemp won pretty easily, and Walker did not. Messaging can't explain that really, for example. So there has to be more to it than that.

Besides, if the GOP was honest about its message it would be something like: "We believe that no child should be transitioned before high school." As a party, it's just not that different than the other one.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (ppBhU)

249 So glad Turtle Mitch decided to spend money in Alaska defending Murkowski against a Republican than on one of the actual races featuring a Democrat vs Republican.

Talk about being an idiot especially when the GOP was defending a lot more seats against the Dems this cycle.

Got to hand it to the Dems though, they know how to take out any GOP future national candidates better than the GOP taking out future Dem national candidates.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (aGT/k)

250 But to more secular people, and especially women, they know an unplanned pregnancy can ruin your life.

--

It's manipulation mostly. "YOU'RE smart, but think about those whores who aren't as smart as you and need abortion as birth control" is all it is. And it works, because emotions.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (hub+L)

251 I didn't wake up to roving bands of revolutionaries. So that's nice.

Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (6FeV1)

252 The reachable LIVs I know vote D because they think they'll get more money out of doing so.

Apparently Biden-flation wasn't enough to disabuse them of this notion, but I think you can make an argument that instead of just bitching about inflation the GOP should be trying to bribe right leaning people into voting for them just like the Dems do left leaning people.

Some examples I thought of earlier...payouts to

People forced to take the clot shot
People victimized by illegals
People buying their first gun

Etc. If this gets you a majority you can pair it with tax increases on leftwinger to balance it out.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (ESjRY)

253 Any GOP path to the WH without PA and MI needs to be laid out. Without checking, it would be razor-close, electorally, at best. So writing off PA and MI seems, effectively, to be writing off the WH in advance.

Corrections?

Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (OTzUX)

254 What I'd like to know is - how many of you who still seem to be hanging on this idea that "we're gonna get them next time!", thinking the GOP is going to stop GOP-ing ...

How many of you have young kids? Do you understand what is actually going on, and the extend to which the left is gunning for them? Do you really get what it looks like inside schools, or colleges, or what they're being exposed to in western media?

What do you expect their life is going to look like when they're middle aged? What are things going to look like for their kids? I can't help but think the demographics here in comments is skewing perceptions a bit.

Posted by: somedood at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (WtAgB)

255 >>>So let's game this out. What Republican can win PA now?

Posted by: blaster

oz was a bad candidate and lost by two points. He didn't even live in PA.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (C1Zwz)

256 Also, I’m still struggling with the fact that people actually want Fetterman to be their Senator
Posted by: Jay in PA

When you run a schmaltzy guy like Oz against him all bets are off.

Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (v0R5T)

257 Trump has no viable path to the White House. 2016 was a "one off". He's burned too many bridges.

The Republicans that weren't aligned with Trump did great in this election, the ones that were tied at the hip with Trump went down to weak ass Democrats.

I've just run into too many Republicans that hate the guy and refuse to vote for him. It is a stupid and suicidal posture to take, but I don't know where we find replacement voters to make up for it. It's not going to be from blacks and hispanics, that's a silly pipe dream.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (PwNLq)

258 >>>Only hypothetical I know of is Trump for PA and blue wall states. Can we win without PA?

You can win without PA but you damned better win Ohio. You need one of the two.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (d2bW3)

259 I believe Flimsy Graham helped "get out the vote" for team D when he was proposing the abortion ban on a federal level.

Posted by: Fool Otto at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (DB16e)

260 We don't want to believe this. But we must.
Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 12:34 PM (iFTx/)

I believe it. My wife says, "Darling, you won't believe it, but I found the most adorable baby on our doorstep and I've decided to keep it for our very own. Now you won't believe it, but it's got exactly my eyes and nose." Why does she keep saying I won't believe it? I believe it! I believe it.

Posted by: Triz Trzcinski, Stalag 17 at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (QIOpg)

261 Haley/Noem 2024 -- Two Hot Squishes for the Price of One!
Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at

November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (h6oY9)

Haley/Noem -- 2 Girls 1 Cup

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (QRdjz)

262 242 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 09, 2022 12:40 PM (jjhH3)

I was trying to look up his name, I'm going to go with "Japanese Bald Guy Who Looks like Bendy Spoon Boy From the Matrix"

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (PiwSw)

263 I know there are many competing issues today but how in heaven's name could the Boss and the COBs missed that it is National Scrapple Day?!

I can't even.

Be better boys, be better.
Posted by: Tonypete

You can have mine....

Posted by: JT at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (T4tVD)

264 213 The King Harv add for Morons is great
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (M+Lyo)

It really is

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (V6f9+)

265 my significant other knows a large number of middle aged and older white women who spend their entire lives on social media frothing about how republicans are literally hitler.

-

It was such a horrible idea for those racist, sexist white men to give the vote to anyone who could fog a mirror.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (hub+L)

266 Abortion: We've got to get smarter.

To be fair, we only had a couple of months between Dobbs and the election, and maybe only a few weeks between Dobbs and when we had to get the abortion questions on the ballot. I get the impression that we rushed abortion questions onto the ballot in various states without figuring out what restrictions would sell in those states, how to message on those ballot questions, and what restrictions/messages would piss Karens off.

I'm about as Pro-Life as you can be, but I don't expect total abortion bans to sell anywhere, really. We spent fifty years trying to get the ability to restrict abortion, and then we got it, and we probably tried to do too much all at once. Let the issue cool a little bit, then gradually introduce restrictions, starting with the popular stuff.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (4QgJj)

267 They Blue states will not give up on the good thing they got from the COVID lockdowns; they like the "flexibility" of their voting systems.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (ynpvh)
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We got that "flexibility" in Michigan yesterday, too.

Plus only the elected office of SoS can challenge the results!

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (krQz2)

268 >>>Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you

i've contacted him to write a guest post

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (C1Zwz)

269 258 >>>Only hypothetical I know of is Trump for PA and blue wall states. Can we win without PA?

You can win without PA but you damned better win Ohio. You need one of the two.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (d2bW3)

I think Ohio is a gimmie for any R candidate right now.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (eYoxG)

270 I'm not super familiar with DeSantis, but he's Hispanic,

He's as Hispanic as Beto.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (ppBhU)

271 206 In the local good news department, the school bond for $60 million in slush money to do whatever they wanted to with it went down in flames. This time by over 10 points. Last time it was on the ballot it was defeated by a single vote.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 09, 2022 12:36 PM (bVYXr)

In sunny San Diego they passed another bond to fix the local schools. And what about all those lottery monies that were supposed to do that since 1987, eh?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (ynpvh)

272 DeSantis is Hispanic? I thought he was Italian.

Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (6FeV1)

273 "I'm not about to believe that the election results were real, so there's no way to ascribe reasoning to the outcomes."

This. The fact that so many people even on our side are treating the results as if they are legitimate and deserve analysis is why we are doomed.

Our position on abortion doesn't matter. Their position on women with penises doesn't matter. Election fraud is the single and only issue that matters. Every other issue is downstream of it. Trying to find meaning and adjusting our rhetorical or legislative tactics based on completely manufactured election results is suicide.

Posted by: Qwinn at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (0PgTv)

274 If abortion was such a powerful driver yesterday, that negates all the polls that show it was way down on the list of priorities. It doesn't make any sense.

It makes sense if you just discount polls as having the slightest validity.

I do believe that abortion is much less significant a voting factor than inflation, for example, but that's not due to any polling data. Its just experience over decades that shows most people vote based on their immediate life impact, not on issues or policy concerns.

But consider: the news went through Florida all over the state, and could find nobody who admitted to being a Crist supporter. Not one person, except at a Crist rally. Not out in the wild, not a single voter. How much did DeSantis win by? Not the 40% that you'd expect from such a situation. If the only people in the state who supported Crist were at the rally, then he'd get like 3000 votes. What happened? Well at least some Crist voters were reluctant to admit it to anyone public. And at least some people just don't want to talk to the press no matter what they vote like. But there is something hinky going on with that election even after the cleanup done

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (Ivdso)

275 well not really

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (C1Zwz)

276 The King Harv add for Morons is great

Makes me want to buy something and I don't regularly drink coffee.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (ZGrMX)

277 Sean Parnell? Maybe? There aren't a lot of great politicians who can win PA. There are some decent legislators, who usually cannot win against a blue pol.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (d2bW3)

He couldn't even win among Republicans.

I think CAC was right about PA being the key.

Trump won it very narrowly. I don't think he could win it again - I don't see how ANY Republican wins a state that embraces Fetterman.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (pwExq)

278 270 I'm not super familiar with DeSantis, but he's Hispanic,

He's as Hispanic as Beto.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (ppBhU)

Kinda orange sometimes.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (ynpvh)

279 251 I didn't wake up to roving bands of revolutionaries.

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Yet.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (1dzqn)

280 "And by 2 to 1 Americans want women to be able to choose" Posted by: Paul

Isn't it about 3 to 1 Americans oppose late (third) term abortion? It MIGHT be 2:1 against limiting abortion to 12 weeks, I forget. But I agree pushing for zero abortion is a way to lose more elections.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (Cus5s)

281 It looks like, at least, the GOP will take the house. I think. It's hard to find anyone really saying. In which case, we get effectively the best we could have hoped for, even in a wave: a veto on the craziest and stupidest legislation. Deadlock. A moratorium on dumb spending. It doesn't really matter the margin, and the way to rethink the election is that EVEN AFTER Roe V. Wade was overturned, the GOP gained seats in the house.

Florida and Texas are now redder. The country is beginning to pull apart into more politically aligned regions. This is ultimately the future, I think. America is not one nation, it's two nations. I think people are still in denial about that.

In terms of 2024, I think the lesson here (which will be ignored) is that the candidate is far, far less important than the organization and staffing of his campaign and party. The lesson of the Fettermans and Bidens is that it doesn't matter what quality candidate you have, it matters how many voters you can turn out. The conceit of the citizen voter choosing the best man for the job needs to die. Democrats have cynically repackaged it to a brand exercise. Elections are Coke and Pepsi, now.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (pIKd9)

282 "His schtick only works in states we were going to win anyway."

Jeebus.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2022 12:37 PM (OTzUX)

It's like something from some kind of mirror universe raimondo.

Posted by: ... at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (ghx4b)

283 Got to stop thinking that calling the left "Marxists" or "commies" or "socialists" is enough. For one thing, it just doesn't have any resonance in America anymore except among the Boomers.

It's all about branding. As usual, the left has been enormously successful projecting by branding the GOP as "Nazis" or "fascists" when in reality they are the real fascists. Vast majority of Americans will choose to support "socialists" over "fascists" any day. After all, the Soviet Union was our alliy in WWII against the fascists.

So instead of trying to make the socialism label work, conservatives need to brand their foes as the real fascists. If the debate becomes not over who are better, the fascists or the socialists, the socialists win. But if the debate becomes over who are the real fascists, then you've got a shot. If nothing else, it encourages people to look more closely at the actual records and actions of each party rather than just rely on the name-calling.

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (1gif2)

284 268 >>>Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you

i've contacted him to write a guest post
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (C1Zwz)

Good idea, Japanese translates so well into English.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (Y5qcH)

285 There is one state that Desantis can win, but Trump can't. Virginia. Youngkin laid out the path for that.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (xPl2J)

286 well not really
Posted by: ace
___

Cruel tease, ace.

Very cruel.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (8iUlO)

287 I think Ohio is a gimmie for any R candidate right now.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (eYoxG)

*kicks dirt, pouts*

Posted by: John Kasich at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (PiwSw)

288 Ron took a good look at the map last night and probably thought

nope, can't win, no path

Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (us2H3)

289 If you are going to call them rioters, produce their weapons.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (RvuYE)

That guy had poky horns on his head...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:38 PM (ynpvh)
........

and a deadly case of B.O.

Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (v0R5T)

290 I'm going to say this, there's a single mechanism in our system right now that will make it nearly impossible for reps to start making inroads in places they don't already control: mail-in ballots.

Mail-in ballots, of course, being a necessity due to Covid.

Covid, a virus that just happened to rear its ugly head right before a presidential election that featured a popular outsider who would not be hamstrung by an upcoming election.

Not sure if the dems are just that lucky or that good but I can almost assure you that they are neither.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (KbCG3)

291 >>>Isn't it about 3 to 1 Americans oppose late (third) term abortion?

more than that!

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (C1Zwz)

292 279 251 I didn't wake up to roving bands of revolutionaries.
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Yet.
Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (1dzqn)

Too old, too sick, too tired to be a revolutionary. Just kinda running out the clock right now.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (ynpvh)

293 Our position on abortion doesn't matter. Their position on women with penises doesn't matter. Election fraud is the single and only issue that matters. Every other issue is downstream of it. Trying to find meaning and adjusting our rhetorical or legislative tactics based on completely manufactured election results is suicide.

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Well said.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (hub+L)

294 I haven’t played Scrapple in years.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (DceKn)

295 to be honest I think I have a solution but a lot of people just aren't ready to hear it.
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:29 PM (C1Zwz)

It better not just be shucking Trump. That's not a magic bullet. Making one guy or one thing a MacGuffin for everything going wrong isn't a good approach to actually evaluating strengths and weaknesses.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:31 PM (eYoxG)

It might be better received if there was something more than "Trump's fault." I really want there to be more.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (yHsuS)

296 Masturbatin' Pete, several here and elsewhere were harping on the (utterly routine, disastrous, and revealing) GOP lassitude in "letting the election come to them" vs. actually running on anything.

This *should* have played a role, but any more I have no idea how to understand these results.

The dissatisfaction levels, how understandable and near universal they are, with the "flavor" added of things like trans/sexual insanity (including schools), A'stan debacle, crime in many areas, etc - how do those end up this way? The issue surveys provided no reason to think Dems wouldn't be slaughtered.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (OTzUX)

297 >>>I think Ohio is a gimmie for any R candidate right now.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

I would agree, but you still have to worry about AZ, GA, and WI. The left controls everything, and winning the presidency is going to be more difficult to achieve.

It's depressing, but that's what's going on.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (d2bW3)

298 "So let's game this out. What Republican can win PA now?"

Just about any of them. Oz was a RINO, weak on policy and frankly insincere. He was probably the only candidate Fetterman could have beaten, and it wasn't by much. I think we'll see the results of PA voting for a mentally compromised manchild who lived off his parents until he was 50 and looks like a member of the Church of Satan.

Posted by: NeverBiden at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (eIGHH)

299 291 >>>Isn't it about 3 to 1 Americans oppose late (third) term abortion?

more than that!

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (C1Zwz)

Kali voted 2:1 in favor of a state constitutional right to murder dem babies.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (ynpvh)

300 In 1994, Republicans won control of the House for the first time in 40 years. Today Republicans are upset that we aren't going to win it by as many as we'd hoped.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (BJKQV)

301 >>>I'm not super familiar with DeSantis, but he's Hispanic,

he's hispanic like Columbus.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (C1Zwz)

302 238 I live in Texas and still have seven American flags flying on my street. Kind of hard to get to the ' I give up on America' feeling but I understand why others might.

------------

This is a reason not to give up on Texas. America has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (1dzqn)

303 I think most of us bought the "silent majority" idea that a vast, but immeasurable pool of reasonable normies was hidden within the electorate. Pollsters adjusted numbers to account for this group they couldn't measure. Clearly they don't exist.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (zsNoE)

304 oz was a bad candidate and lost by two points. He didn't even live in PA.
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (C1Zwz)

One word: Fetterman.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (pwExq)

305 Makes me want to buy something and I don't regularly drink coffee.

Yeah but I can't see buying 100 bucks in coffee just for the discount.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (Ivdso)

306 Well put, Ace.

OT: I'd been a lurker for years. Finally made my first comment last April or May. Not talked to many of you, bloggers or commenters, but you still feel like kin. Kin I'd actually claim at that. I appreciate you all. Surprisingly, this post has helped lessen my frustration a little.

That said... I'd still like to beat some of our so called political betters with a folding chair right now.

Posted by: Brando at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (KapQe)

307 Florida and Texas are now redder. The country is beginning to pull apart into more politically aligned regions. This is ultimately the future, I think. America is not one nation, it's two nations. I think people are still in denial about that.

agree fully Bevel.

it's hard to accept; certainly I know it's past time to leave PA but I still dither and deny.

it's hard to make such a change.

the USA is a very big country. having an overarching federal-level ANYTHING was always going to end up rotten - there's too much to be gained from corruption.

the only voting that will work from now on involves one's feet.

Posted by: BlackOrchidDancingByMyself at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (w0NJk)

308 GOPe, especially McConnell, never put forward a positive message. It's never been enough to just say those other guys suck and then sit on your fat pasty fucking ass and wait for the votes to roll in. They went out of their way to actively not have a positive message for the elections. Rick Scott developed something and they acted like he dumped a turd in the punchbowl.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (QRdjz)

309 I'll make an exception for late term abortion in Paul's case. Post-term, actually.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (Y5qcH)

310 I'm trying to find the figures for voter turnout. If Dave in FL is here could you please comment. Thanks,

Posted by: polynikes at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (nQA9k)

311 PA waited in 2016 with 99% in and Trump up by more than what was left, and they were planning to pull a 2020 for Hillary.

When WI came in and actually shocked them, they knew it was all done, so they didn't bother.

It's all right there for anyone who wants to see it. If not, stay in fucking dreamland. I love you all but if last night doesn't take you out of your slumber then nothing will.

Posted by: ... at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (ghx4b)

312 What Republican can win PA now?
Posted by: blaster
++

A generic Republican would have won that race, easy.

But Trump's celebrity buddy was bored and thought it would be fun.

A Muslim carpetbagger into transcendental meditation that refused to give up his Turkish citizenship doesnt play all that well in PA.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (PwNLq)

313 The Democrats are acting like this because they know that they NO LONGER HAVE TO ANSWER TO VOTERS.

This insane vote-by-mail fraud smorgasbord is the death knell for actual elections.

They NO LONGER CARE what voters think, because they can just spend a month cheating and paying off druggies $20 to sign a straight D ballot, and start 'election night' off ahead literally hundreds of thousands of votes ahead.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (setIA)

314 DeSantis is Hispanic? I thought he was Italian.
Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (6FeV1)

Yeah, he's Italian. Hasn't anyone noticed how much he talks with his hands?

Posted by: Robert at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (RTNcm)

315 Abortion wasn't a big driver and it mainly only affected people who vote Dem anyways. Ace just doesn't want to face either a significant portion of the country is unacceptable to share this country, or Dems cheated again. Either way voting at the Fed level and in blue states the state level is irrelevant.

Posted by: WiNO at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (tRMJH)

316 Trump has no viable path to the White House. 2016 was a "one off". He's burned too many bridges.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (PwNLq)
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I agree. But the reason this is so is also not too good for our side.

It means the buy-in to the press negative coverage of Trump is too calcified to dislodge.

I will vote for DeSantis, but I will also laugh at *you* if he loses, after being painted as Hitler by the same media.

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (krQz2)

317 So, instead of assuming a vast group who already agree perhaps we should move to persuasion.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (zsNoE)

318 to be honest I think I have a solution but a lot of people just aren't ready to hear it.
Posted by: ace
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Sometimes, it's just fun to pull the pin and throw, ace.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (8iUlO)

319 What would being ungovernable (without violating God's commands) look like in real life?

Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (sI15f)

320 300 In 1994, Republicans won control of the House for the first time in 40 years. Today Republicans are upset that we aren't going to win it by as many as we'd hoped.
Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (BJKQV)

The Ted Kennedy Democrats didn't make mutilating children a central plank of their platform.

Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (6FeV1)

321 >>>T: I'd been a lurker for years. Finally made my first comment last April or May. Not talked to many of you, bloggers or commenters, but you still feel like kin. Kin I'd actually claim at that. I appreciate you all. Surprisingly, this post has helped lessen my frustration a little.

Welcome.

I despise you. This blog must be annihilated.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (C1Zwz)

322 257 Trump has no viable path to the White House. 2016 was a "one off". He's burned too many bridges.

Blago at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (PwNLq)
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Trump threw a wrench into the System in 2016. The System didn't know how to handle him. The GOP didn't, and he got the nomination. The Democrats didn't, and he won the White House.

But the System learns. The System adapts. The System fights back. The System figured out how to beat Trump, and it did it for three elections in a row.

Trump still thinks he can tweet, rally, and name-call his way into office. He can't. It's not 2016 anymore. And since arriving in Washington after the 2016 election, he has shown zero ability to adapt to the opponent that has adapted to him.

I'm done with him. If he gets the nom he'll get my support, but he didn't grow as a president, and if he somehow manages to win he's just gonna get rolled by the Deep State again.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (4QgJj)

323 >>>Trump won it very narrowly. I don't think he could win it again - I don't see how ANY Republican wins a state that embraces Fetterman.

Posted by: blaster

Trump was an outlier. The Bush wins were narrow. It's difficult to win in PA if the candidate is a Republican. Was easier years ago, but the state has changed for the worse.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (d2bW3)

324 Well at least Tank foundered. The Kari Lake thing defies explanation so far. Maybe she can eak it out.

Tudor Dixon may have a future.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (M+Lyo)

325 We will point at everything but what is actually at fault. Trumps fault, wine moms fault, our abortion win., etc. What and who is at fault is right in our face and its THE LEFT. Both the Democrat Party and Republican Party left. The R's didn't do a f'ing thing as far as campaigning. Trump did so it's all his fault. Plus he has an icky personality.

......and for Gods sake quit blaming it on fraud and leftist lawlessness.
Funny listening to commenters here use the exact same language and reasons the GOP establishment used against us conservatives for years being used to tell anyone who still supports Trump to drop him. Same reasons and excuses. Un-f'ing-believable.

Posted by: JROD at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (0jZnq)

326 301 >>>I'm not super familiar with DeSantis, but he's Hispanic,

he's hispanic like Columbus.
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (C1Zwz)

So are there enough Italians to make this path viable? Idk man.

But more seriously, I think it should be understood that a DeSantis path would aim for different states. We also can't lose all of the voters that Trump brought over, we need to keep a good chunk, so that needs to be a focus.

Trump's path is viable. Maybe there's a better or more likely one, but I need to see it laid out first.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (eYoxG)

327 oz was a bad candidate and lost by two points. He didn't even live in PA.

**
I think I saw something like over 600,000 votes were cast for him by early mail in long before he had to debate Oz where everybody realized his brain was out on walkabout. While I'm sure there were a bunch of die hard Democrats in that pile, I'm also sure there were a bunch of people in there who would have changed their vote once they realized they were voting for retarded Shrek.

Until every state gets rid of this mail in early voting b******* you're going to keep getting the same result.

Which is why the Democrats will fight tooth and nail to keep it.

Posted by: Azathoth at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (wb1YC)

328 314 DeSantis is Hispanic? I thought he was Italian.

DeSantez

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (1dzqn)

329 What would being ungovernable (without violating God's commands) look like in real life?
Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (sI15f)

Belfast

Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (6FeV1)

330 As I see it:
The Regime has fixed the game against us
The Dems have fixed the game against us
The Repubs have fixed the game against us.

I don't have any good, polite answers, only impolite ones.

So, in order to not get anybody in trouble, I'm going offline for a bit...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (ynpvh)

331 A Muslim carpetbagger into transcendental meditation that refused to give up his Turkish citizenship doesnt play all that well in PA.
Posted by: Blago
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Yeah, especially after 9/11.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (8iUlO)

332 What Republican can win PA now?
Posted by: blaster
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Where can we get a lobotomized candidate?

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (krQz2)

333 Abortion played a role and Trump is a net negative in any purple or blue state. His schtick only works in states we were going to win anyway.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:32 PM

Exactly! That's why he failed so badly in PA, WI, MI in 2016, like most Republicans before him.
Posted by: Moron Analyst
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Remember who he was running against: Hillary. Probably the most despised and unlikable candidate in the modern era.

Anyway, the Dem's have made Trump poison. Electoral Lightening is not going to strike twice for him.

Posted by: WisRich at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (G0vdT)

334 All true, and also agree Dobbs was worth it.
Additionally, the Party is only as good as the Leaders and Florida proved that. At the National level, the Party Leaders all need to go - McCarthy, McConnell, Ronna Romney... and in an ideal world, Trump would take the role as elder statesman...he won't, of course. There's only so much you can do with saying "everything is in the toilet because of Democrats, so vote for us". At some point you need a compelling platform to win the Inds, get crossovers and motivate the Base.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (KouR0)

335 So very disappointed with y’all. It’s like you didn’t even try to Destroy Democracy yesterday. I’m no Billy Badass but I’ve chunks of democracy like this country in my stool.

Posted by: No Shirt Shylock at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (PWI4f)

336 Member? Festerman looks like the *founder* of the church of satan.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (YJwUM)

337 Repeal the 19th!

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (flINI)

338 I thought about shorting the markets today at the open but I had stuff to do and short positions kind of scare me if I am not watching them like a hawk.

I guess I should have though..

DJIA 32,800.42 -360.41 (-1.09%)
As of 12:47PM EST. Market open.

Posted by: toby928 at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (yQpMk)

339 Ask yourself. Does mail-in voting still exist...? Will it exist in 2024?

Posted by: ... at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (ghx4b)

340 270 I'm not super familiar with DeSantis, but he's Hispanic,

He's as Hispanic as Beto.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (ppBhU)

The vast majority of American Hispanics are about as Hispanic as Beto. Until the 70s, most considered themselves white - but then the left needed another oppressed class.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (BJKQV)

341 Posted by: Brando at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (KapQe)

Post more Brando. And expect people to refer to you as Brawndo. 😀

Posted by: polynikes at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (nQA9k)

342 The Dems have fixed the game against us
The Repubs have fixed the game against us.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (ynpvh)
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...but you repeated yourself.

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (krQz2)

343 Isn't it about 3 to 1 Americans oppose late (third) term abortion?

If you believe polls (heh) and surveys, Americans oppose abortion except in the first trimester. Who knows what the truth is. I'm opposed to abortion at ANY time for ANY reason except to save the life of the mother (since both would die in that case anyway). I long for a day when most Americans share that love of children and innocent life.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (Ivdso)

344 I love that crazy bald headed Jap bastard.

Who ever runs for the GOPe for Preezy in 2024 needs him to run their campaign.

Posted by: Godzilla at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (QIOpg)

345 Welcome.

I despise you. This blog must be annihilated.
Posted by: ace

😂

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (YJwUM)

346 Isn't it about 3 to 1 Americans oppose late (third) term abortion?

more than that!
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:44 PM (C1Zwz)

yeah, that's what they say until they have to vote on it

they will fuck you over faster than you can fart

Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (us2H3)

347 Toyama Koichi

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (jjhH3)

348 Also, I’m still struggling with the fact that people actually want Fetterman to be their Senator
Posted by: Jay in PA at November 09, 2022 12:21 PM>/i]
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You know how people bitch about a lack of representation in movies? The brain damaged voted for their representation.

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (5W2An)

349 @257 Blago-Read my comment @325 and go fuck yourself.

Posted by: JROD at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (0jZnq)

350 >>>Well at least Tank foundered. The Kari Lake thing defies explanation so far. Maybe she can eak it out.

I don't understand how all these awful governors - Hochul, Whitmer, Pritzker, etc. - were all reelected after all they did to their constituents. Who reelects people like this? Do they really want to be ruled by idiots?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (d2bW3)

351 Trump was an outlier. The Bush wins were narrow. It's difficult to win in PA if the candidate is a Republican. Was easier years ago, but the state has changed for the worse.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (d2bW3)

My point.

I know, sounds like Private Hudson, but Game Over Man.

We will soon be arguing about who will be President of the New types deletes.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (pwExq)

352 I’m still struggling with the fact that people actually want Fetterman to be their Senator

From a Let It Burn perspective, I kind of like the idea of sending stroke-addled morons to DC to gum up the works. But even that's problematic.
Posted by: Ian S.

Because their chief of staff will be running things. Fetterman will be sitting with Biden at the kids table drooling.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (RvuYE)

353 DJIA 32,800.42 -360.41 (-1.09%)
As of 12:47PM EST. Market open.
Posted by: toby928 at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (yQpMk)

You should have shorted Bitcoin. Except the derivatives exchange just blew up.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (UuD2k)

354 For a long time the population at large has been more Democratic than "likely voters". The Democrats solved that problem by massive expansion of early voting and vote-by-mail, where they can even fill out the ballots for those too lazy to do even that. We're now starting to get a look at what has been out there in the populace for many years.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (VbI7r)

355 255 >>>So let's game this out. What Republican can win PA now?

Posted by: blaster

oz was a bad candidate and lost by two points. He didn't even live in PA.
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (C1Zwz)
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No Republican can win PA now. None. Not until the state cleans up its insane voting procedures. As long as the Dumocraps have 6+ weeks of early "voting," they will fraud up an insurmountable lead that no GOP candidate will be able to overcome.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (iFTx/)

356 I disagree with your analysis, Ace.
We got robbed, simple as that.

Posted by: espinostifer at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (mcAgZ)

357 So very disappointed with y’all. It’s like you didn’t even try to Destroy Democracy yesterday.

Posted by: No Shirt Shylock at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (PWI4f)
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I swear my nail was firmly in the coffin when I left.

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (krQz2)

358 >Abortion was a costly victory. That doesn't mean you don't take the victory; only a GOPe Grifter would say that you perpetually run on an issue and never actually try to win that issue on a policy level.

But winning the issue of abortion, finally, did provoke a powerful backlash from the 40% of the country that considers abortion to be an unholy sacrament.

Just as Obamacare was a costly victory that, from the Democrats' perspective, they absolutely needed to seize and accept the fallout as unavoidable consequences, so too does the GOP have to take the win on abortion, but with the unavoidable consequence of a riled-up leftwing progressive base.
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Exactly. Abortion was the top issue for Democrats in exit polls. Doesn't mean Dobbs wasn't a victory worth pursuing, it just means going forward, Republicans are going to have to factor it into their messaging. They can't pay lip service to pro-life conservatives without ever having to cast a vote on it, like they've done for 40 years. Blanket abortion bans don't sell outside of states like Texas, and even in Texas I'm worried it may become an issue.

Posted by: Caiwyn at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (+dHQK)

359 I don't see how ANY Republican wins a state that embraces Fetterman.

As has been pointed out, Trump took the Democrats by surprise, nobody expected him to even come close to winning so they were lax on the cheating. They will not make that mistake again, even if it means pulling a brain dead loser over the finish line.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (Ivdso)

360 "to be honest I think I have a solution but a lot of people just aren't ready to hear it.
Posted by: ace "

Apostate!! Nevertrumper!!

* prepares a crucifixion*

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (eacmp)

361 I still want to see Ronna Romney McDaniel's head on a pike or at least her resignation by the end of the week before I start blaming everyone else.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (qH6FZ)

362 "The Democrat Party exists nearly exclusively to invent Nazi-like dehumanization campaigns against half the country so that the intellectually insecure sub-mediocrities of the civil-service and mid-management mid-wits can feel they're Superior to someone."

If those people are like that and more, and they are, why do they get the ball? How comes it they're treated as respectables, worthy of office, when they busy-beaver at destroying the republic? I like my enemies outside the tent, not in.

Posted by: James Smith at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (hvfJj)

363 "Trump has no viable path" said the increasingly manic man from 2016.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (jjhH3)

364 Did Abortion Mouse finish counting her votes yet?

Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (v0R5T)

365 They're good at it because they have the media in their hip pocket. They face very little scrutiny, and therefore, the public remains easily fooled and misled. They never get to see the ugly underbelly of what the Democrat party is really all about. They're rarely questioned. They're rarely opposed. They're rarely exposed. As much as I don't want to admit it, the media provides them wide protection, even though conservative media sources have made inroads. It's easy to be good at something in politics, if the mainstream media is 100% behind your sails.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 12:24 PM (sVtYq)

Excellent analysis.
They never get questioned, never get put on the spot. Their cable shows are scripted and no one is allowed on who would rock the boat or make the host or any of the other carefully selected panelists look bad. Or even uncomfortable.
They will never be in the position that Joe McCarthy was in when Welch famously asked him, "Have you no shame??"
No one will ever say to Nicole Wallace, " Do you realize what a c*** you sound like right now?", or to Joe Scarborough, " Joe, you used to suck Trump's cock to get him on your show. Mika too"

Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (mR6Gs)

366 Politico reports that Biden is in for 2024

which means Trump wil run also

vomit wrapped in turd

Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (us2H3)

367 The dems were running ridiculous ads here showing doctors and nurses being booked and cuffed for performing abortions. It was so absurd I didn't think anybody would take them seriously. Stupid people did. And the GOP did nothing to counteract the misinformation.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (IHGKo)

368 Look, let's get real: we're on our own and states with decent governments best realize DC is not their friend.

The nation is almost irretrievably split and the sooner states put DC at arms length, the better off their citizens will be. In the end, states need to look out for their citizens first, because DC won't.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (5pTK/)

369 One word: Fetterman.
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (pwExq)

100%. There is no world in which Oz is a worse candidate than Fetterman.

I'm excited about the future for the lump though.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (ZGrMX)

370 Until every state gets rid of this mail in early voting b******* you're going to keep getting the same result.

Which is why the Democrats will fight tooth and nail to keep it.

Posted by: Azathoth

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Want to see something neat? Go to the
https://constitution.congress.gov/
page where that part of the Constitution addressing state legislatures determining elections is posted.

https://tinyurl.com/27t7qhjt

They've removed the page.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:51 PM (hub+L)

371 "A moratorium on dumb spending."

Bevel, not to quibble, but I'm not sure that is based on. I mean, nothing in recent memory comports with that expectation of the GOP.

"Less" insane spending then proposed by the WH?

Maybe. But nothing close to a moratorium.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2022 12:51 PM (OTzUX)

372 I think the lack of a 'red wave' is due to early voting.
But, I see something that I don't think I've seen mentioned today.

When did the GOPe or (GOP) tell us what they wanted to do *for* America?
"I'm going to run against FJB's agenda" isn't enough as the absence of a stated plan means there IS no plan.

DeSantis has shown what he stands for. Lake told us what she stands for.
The House and Senate say "We're against them".
This is not the way to win hearts and minds and you need to do just that.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 09, 2022 12:51 PM (/bucq)

373 Welcome.

I despise you. This blog must be annihilated.
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (C1Zwz)

Make me a cob and the majority will be terrified. I will be terrified..

Posted by: toby928 at November 09, 2022 12:51 PM (yQpMk)

374 Who reelects people like this?

Dead people, and made up people, and casting ballots through the mail for others so they are turned away illegally at the ballot box.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:51 PM (Ivdso)

375 "Abortion was a costly victory."

I'm sure the fetus disagrees.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 12:51 PM (eacmp)

376 I noticed more turn out of young women at the ballot box than usual. But it didn't overwhelmingly affect the ridiculous referendum on abortion. Pretty much rejected by 4% points.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 09, 2022 12:51 PM (geVLo)

377 Stayed up too late and I'm hungover like a Viking.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 09, 2022 12:15 PM (Qy7kP)

Same. Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2022 12:51 PM (R9T2D)

378 "I think most of us bought the "silent majority" idea that a vast, but immeasurable pool of reasonable normies was hidden within the electorate. ... Clearly they don't exist."

This makes the most sense to me. We, the normies, the unwoke, the Legacy Americans, are a political minority now.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 12:51 PM (24fqN)

379 Well said Ace. It's also the mail-in voting that has entrenched the LIV's as a factor. When you have 3+ weeks to vote, at some point the LIV will spend 2 minutes to fill in a ballot. That's a voting bloc that is now mobilized by social media and a very long window to vote.

Posted by: MattyCO at November 09, 2022 12:52 PM (7DHQv)

380 last night was the first time i actually listened to DeSantis talk and i was impressed. i don't know if he will run in 2024 but after what FL pulled off last night, he has to be the favorite on the GOP side.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 12:52 PM (mnUzy)

381 No Republican can win PA now. None. Not until the state cleans up its insane voting procedures. As long as the Dumocraps have 6+ weeks of early "voting," they will fraud up an insurmountable lead that no GOP candidate will be able to overcome.
Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (iFTx/)

Every state needs to clean up its voting procedures. Every state needs to stop 'jungle primaries', 'vote by mail for everyone', same day registration.

That is the figurative fight.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at November 09, 2022 12:52 PM (V6f9+)

382 I'm not looking forward to the inter-GOP bloodbath and smug Leftists the next two years.
Time for a break from politics and getting banned from Twitter turned out to be a blessing.
Politics can become a hobby, if you let it, and as hobbies go, it's garbage.

Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at November 09, 2022 12:52 PM (KouR0)

383 I don't understand how all these awful governors - Hochul, Whitmer, Pritzker, etc. - were all reelected after all they did to their constituents. Who reelects people like this? Do they really want to be ruled by idiots?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (d2bW3)

Wut?

Posted by: California at November 09, 2022 12:52 PM (v0R5T)

384 280 "And by 2 to 1 Americans want women to be able to choose" Posted by: Paul

Isn't it about 3 to 1 Americans oppose late (third) term abortion? It MIGHT be 2:1 against limiting abortion to 12 weeks, I forget. But I agree pushing for zero abortion is a way to lose more elections.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2022 12:43 PM (Cus5s)

Yeah, but the Democrats very successfully pul the wool over voters' eyes on what is at stake, with virtually no pushback by the GOP. There were tons of ads claiming that DeSantis, for example, wouldn't allow for exceptions for women who were raped. The implication was that he was for a blanket ban on all abortions, when in reality he allowed for abortions before 15 weeks and the issue with rape only mattered if you waited longer than 15 weeks.

There were no ads pushing back on this, however. People need to be educated to counter the Dems' slippery rhetoric. A simple ad saying the Dems are lying to you, that abortion for any reason is legal before 15 weeks. I guarantee you that most voters believe the Republicans want to ban all abortions. (Lindsey Graham's proposal of a nationwide restriction didn't help either.)

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at November 09, 2022 12:52 PM (1gif2)

385 "So let's game this out. What Republican can win PA now?"

I suspect Barnette would have won looking at the campaign Evil Shrek ran. His campaign would have worked about the same against the other GOPey guy in the primary but I think Barnette would have left his campaign in a bind.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2022 12:52 PM (ESjRY)

386 Welcome.

I despise you. This blog must be annihilated.
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (C1Zwz)

The AOSe(Ace of Spade establishment) true views of the grassroots commentariat comes out in full display!

Posted by: buzzion at November 09, 2022 12:52 PM (aRLgQ)

387 abortion analysis makes sense to me

also half the country are karen fascist pissers

also rampant voter fraud in battleground states

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Fuck America - National Divorce Now at November 09, 2022 12:52 PM (VTu1l)

388 I've just run into too many Republicans that hate the guy and refuse to vote for him. It is a stupid and suicidal posture to take, but I don't know where we find replacement voters to make up for it.
Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:41 PM (PwNLq)

It's possible to say that President Trump relied too much on his base and didn't broaden his appeal to independents.

It's possible to say Trump made great inroads with minorities and independents at the cost of antagonizing his working class base.

What's absurd is to say that Trump lost a significant number of Republicans without making up for it. He increased his vote totals over 2020 substantially, and only overt fraud giving senile Joe Biden more votes than any candidate in history stopped his second term. There are zero Republicans with Trump's national profile, and certainly none who can reasonably plan to expand his map while sacrificing industrial states.

Of course, there are some candidates who will sell out the MAGA agenda in exchange for appealing to the McCain GOP in Arizona or transplants in Colorado, but fuck those people. I will never vote for another Vichy Republican again.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (igJSL)

389 359

As has been pointed out, Trump took the Democrats by surprise, nobody expected him to even come close to winning so they were lax on the cheating. They will not make that mistake again, even if it means pulling a brain dead loser over the finish line.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:50 PM (Ivdso)

It's a fair concern. Trump might be the most likely to win any of those states he won in 2016, but that likelihood could still be small. Again, what do alternatives look like though?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (eYoxG)

390 342 The Dems have fixed the game against us
The Repubs have fixed the game against us.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (ynpvh)
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...but you repeated yourself.

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Honestly, it's like that scene in Braveheart where the Irish and Scots charge at each other, stop, shake hands and then turn on the British together.

We're the British.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (1dzqn)

391 Something worth considering: it is incredibly important to the Democrats that people believe that abortion is a third rail that we must not touch and cannot be fought against by politicians. Important enough to lie and cheat and steal to impose that belief.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (Ivdso)

392 My Congressional district flipped to GOP here in NJ so I'm happy about that. So disappointed about Arizona so far because I really like Lake and Masters. Thought that state would become the next FL.

Posted by: Liz at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (dKIxp)

393 Do they really want to be ruled by idiots?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (d2bW3)

Maybe it's stockholm syndrome ? Beats me. People have short memories. Maybe the liberal media scared them enough about losing their democracy. Whatever it was it is not encouraging.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (M+Lyo)

394 A generic Republican would have won that race, easy.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (PwNLq)

Bullshit. Show your work.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (yHsuS)

395 @343 Christopher R Taylor-Where the left really was successful was scaring quite a few women into believing if they had an ectopic pregnancy or something of the like that would harm them then they would get no DNC. I ran into that worry with women the most as far as with the abortion decision.

Posted by: JROD at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (0jZnq)

396 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you

i've contacted him to write a guest post
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:42 PM (C1Zwz)

Seriously???
I am looking forward to that!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (anj39)

397 Your guys presence sickens me but yet I endure.

Posted by: polynikes at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (nQA9k)

398 Do they really want to be ruled by idiots?
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Some people need to see something of themselves in their representatives, so, yes.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (fs1hN)

399 Anyway, the Dem's have made Trump poison. Electoral Lightening is not going to strike twice for him.
Posted by: WisRich
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So let the dem's decide who our candidate will be? I guess you could argue they picked Trump because they went easy on him in the primaries because they thought he was a patsy. Who do you think they are going to go easy on? Desantis, Younkin? I say, let's have primaries and see what happens. You don't get to pick who it is anymore than I do. There's no republican incumbent. There's gonna be primaries if those other guys want in, let em.

Posted by: I'm just sayin at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (7qgA3)

400 Trumps time is over. I’m not saying he’s better or worse than DeSantis, I’m saying his time is probably done. I worry bigly that a Trump loss in the primaries leads to a 3rd party run that gets applesauce brains elected.

DeSantis is swampier than Trump, but also could be more effective at not getting rolled by the perma-govt who think they’re in charge.

Posted by: Trumpy at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (5f0Sh)

401 CNN and MSNBC and the Big Three just tell lie after lie after lie about Trump and The Republicans, and worse, keep things that would hurt Democrats out of public view. Like Hunter's laptop. Or Fettermann's health.
Hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians voted for The Lump TWO MONTHS AGO before they realized how bad he was. Thousands would have recalled their vote--if they could have.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (mR6Gs)

402 are we winning the House? or is that still up in the air?

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (mnUzy)

403 Well, at least JROD isn’t commenting in all caps anymore.

Must’ve just come back from his anger-management class.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (DceKn)

404 As the Democrats' policies make the economy worse and worse, voters will become more and more dependent upon the Democrats' handouts.

Posted by: davidt at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (oTZbj)

405 Links to any actual facts showing "Trump endorsed"* candidates did any worse than the whole class would be welcomed.

* this phrase is meaningless without context details, of course - which would also be required

Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (OTzUX)

406 Fetterman "won" because the DNC successfully hid him from public until sufficient mail in ballots were collected. Cheating wasn't really necessary, though, I'm sure some cheating took place.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (5pTK/)

407 Someone who is willing to support abortion up to (and after) birth to hold on to power is willing to do anything to hold on to power.
If they are willing to kill babies, they are willing to kill people, stuff ballot boxes, change votes, bribe people for votes, lie, cheat and steal.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (BJKQV)

408 are we winning the House? or is that still up in the air?

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We've got to wait for the Democrats to tell us if the Republicans won. Should be two weeks or so.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (hub+L)

409 It's WJ Cash's The Mind of the South all over again.

Posted by: the other coyote at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (NbpZ/)

410 I'm not looking forward to the inter-GOP bloodbath and smug Leftists the next two years.

*************

Markets tanking today (and they almost always rally after an election)

I don't think there will be much smugness when all the lefties 401Ks lose another 90% of their worth in 2 years.

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Fuck America - National Divorce Now at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (VTu1l)

411 What’s the update on Lake’s race?
Posted by: Blackstone at November 09, 2022 12:18 PM (9byfS)

Do NOT read Mega Mac's tweets unless you want to rage stroke. Kari Lake deserves to lose because no one comes after the McCains. Gawd, I loathe that spoiled, entitled brat.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (R9T2D)

412 372 I think the lack of a 'red wave' is due to early voting.
But, I see something that I don't think I've seen mentioned today.

When did the GOPe or (GOP) tell us what they wanted to do *for* America?
"I'm going to run against FJB's agenda" isn't enough as the absence of a stated plan means there IS no plan.

DeSantis has shown what he stands for. Lake told us what she stands for.
The House and Senate say "We're against them".
This is not the way to win hearts and minds and you need to do just that.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 09, 2022 12:51 PM (/bucq)

Comment 40

Posted by: buzzion at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (aRLgQ)

413 the Dem's have made Trump poison.
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They're not the only ones (he he)!
-McConnell, Pence, Romney, CoC, etc.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (fs1hN)

414 >>>I know, sounds like Private Hudson, but Game Over Man.

We will soon be arguing about who will be President of the New types deletes.

Posted by: blaster

Yeah, I get it, but it's depressing.

Elric, I agree, but with Shapiro in office for likely eight years, nothing will change until 2030. So PA is officially done.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (d2bW3)

415 Maybe PA is lost, I have no idea. BUT I would have liked to see how a MAGA candidate would have done. No idea if some MAGA voters did not show for "leftist?" Oz, but many felt kinda betrayed. Trump's guy lost to brain damage, but MAGA was not on the ticket.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (Cus5s)

416 406 Fetterman "won" because the DNC successfully hid him from public until sufficient mail in ballots were collected. Cheating wasn't really necessary, though, I'm sure some cheating took place.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (5pTK/)

The "Joe Biden Strategy"

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (BJKQV)

417 eventually, through years of suffering, the GOP will return to power

but it wil be dicey

like wanting to buy your neighbors truck and he only sells it to you when it's a piece of junk

Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (us2H3)

418 I suppose I am out of touch. I live in a fire engine red state run by Republicans.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (QSjkU)

419 In the analysis don't discount fraud as a factor in PA or NY. Their electoral processes have that built in. I look forward to a thorough, material analysis with fact based outcomes. Which is almost impossible in places like NY because 23% of the voters are not "verified". That is, they have no ID on file that verifies the voter. A lot of those people just voted yesterday.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (eacmp)

420 The new pattern from the past three elections is that the state media is gnashing their teeth election day afternoon, everyone sane is celebrating election day evening, and next morning, everyone sane is bitter and angry at how it all fell apart.

Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (6FeV1)

421 Can someone tell me if we won the House or the Senate. I'm having a bad day info-searching-wise.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (45fpk)

422 His campaign would have worked about the same against the other GOPey guy in the primary but I think Barnette would have left his campaign in a bind.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2022 12:52 PM (ESjRY)

This absolutely doesn't work. Jim Jones in Michigan had a substantially higher profile than Barnette and he still lost during a presidential election year. If Barnette could dismantle Fetterman any more credibly during a debate (more likely Fetterman would call her an obscure Qanon type and avoid her), she would have done so against Oz and won the nomination.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (igJSL)

423
[readies weapon]

Are we standing in a circle yet?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (SbUgV)

424 Be interesting to see if Eric Swalwell looses his seat on the Intelligence committee and if Ray Epps is called to testify before the new Congress.

I have my doubts.

Posted by: Jeff Gillooly at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (z9V4B)

425 In any case, as many of us have been hammering over and over here and elsewhere: voter fraud is the number one problem with the electoral process and it must be dealt with or the left inevitably will simply take over everywhere.

red and purple states MUST turn this around through cleaning up election laws, blocking ridiculous violations of elections, and cleaning up the system. A few states made some efforts but look at the country, we have 50 states and like 3 worked to clean up fraud.

Some states are impossible to reach to fix (Oregon, California, etc) because the left has so much power they simply will not even consider fixing the system that helps them have absolute power. But many states could be worked on and must be or we know what the consequences will be.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (Ivdso)

426 "I despise you. This blog must be annihilated."

Nihilism. I think this would be a fresh new direction for such a smart military blog.

Posted by: NeverBiden at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (eIGHH)

427 Trump broke the blue wall. His voter distribution is better in certain blue and purple states. We're not going to be aiming for some of those states unless Trump is the candidate because that's not a realistic strategy.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:33 PM (eYoxG)

Agreed, but PA and MI are gone, so we need a new strategy anyway. OH and FL are here to stay. We need to play in different battlegrounds.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at November 09, 2022 12:35 PM (Gu48G)
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Arizona will be in play as reliably "red" (we really need to take back the color blue) if Kari Lake overcomes the Margin of Fraud.

She could do for AZ what DeSantis has done for FL.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Humiliation is Part of the Kink at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (TTl/B)

428 I think a multi-perspective analysis helps here. Either the American public is going to have to endure a whole lot more pain if they're ever going to un-stupid themselves, or the Democrats stole it with fraud.

Now, I'm somebody who has never solidly accused the Dems of stealing *anything*, but just agree with the general consensus of Dems ~10 years ago that mail-in and dropbox ballets are rife with opportunities for fraud. So, I'm consistent in this belief.

And since the Democrats are working to make it illegal to "spread disinformation" about ballot fraud, it's really going to be tough to make this case, increasingly.

However, that a gulled public would put up with suspicions turned into "sedition" and prosecutable offenses for free speech, it demonstrates enough of that hard-to-surmount stupidity of the American people.

The fact is that the average human is tribal and simplistic. And we are regressing to the norm. Abstract ideas like "free speech" and "inalienable rights" really can't survive a reversion to a tribal, taboo society.

There is a whole lot more pain in store for the American people.

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (krQz2)

429 Markets tanking today (and they almost always rally after an election)
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Yeah, that was frustrating. I was holding off selling some because I have to make a purchase, and it's a pretty safe bet that elections will perk things up.

Biden and his GOP buddies took care of that, though.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (hub+L)

430 The person who probably won PA for the Dems was the judge who ruled against Parnell in the custody case.

Posted by: Mark1971 at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (xPl2J)

431 Lake tweet

Wow. We're going to win big.

Stay tuned.

Posted by: Hmmm at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (FkWqS)

432 when turnout is at best 70% the 30% of ballots available to cheat with is HUGE ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at November 09, 2022 12:57 PM (5cMUX)

433 Appreciate your analysis, ace.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 09, 2022 12:57 PM (Xrfse)

434 I disagree with your analysis, Ace.
We got robbed, simple as that.
Posted by: espinostifer at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (mcAgZ)
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I don't think so. In some races, yes, I think fraud was a factor. The PA races, especially governor and Fetterman/Oz, are suspect. The district in Virginia is suspect. Everything in AZ is suspect. I'm not sure about Georgia, but I kind of doubt it.

But that's not a majority of races. I think fraud is a factor in specific places, but it wasn't widespread or effective enough to be the root explanation.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2022 12:57 PM (DU+/6)

435 People can win in PA, but not this Republican Party, with its organization. Republicans never learned from 2012, when Obama's organization crushed the 'award winning' Porpoise software Willard had been conned into buying. Voting is not a sacred duty or an appeal to reason. It's a guns and butter logistics operation, where all that matters is getting butts to the polls. Democrats know how to message to groups to get them to show up. The GOP needs to figure out a way to boost its turnout, and I think it is deemphasizing candidates as the selling point. The selling point needs to be the conservative way of life. The GOP needs to redefine itself as a brand, away from a bunch of weird homosexuals who worship corporations and want to bomb brown people. It needs to become the party of normal humans who believe in God and want to have peace for their family.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2022 12:57 PM (pIKd9)

436 Gas cost $1.94 in April of 2020 when Trump asked the Saudis to raise the price
In Feb of 2021, 10 months later, when Biden took over it was $2.94
It is now $3.80

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I'm not sure that's the point you were intending to make, but okay. Thanks.

So food AND gas have doubled since Biden took office.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:57 PM (hub+L)

437 Christopher R Taylor-Where the left really was successful was scaring quite a few women into believing if they had an ectopic pregnancy or something of the like that would harm them then they would get no DNC. I ran into that worry with women the most as far as with the abortion decision.
==
Younger sexually active women see their OBGYN more frequently that we see our doctors as men. Some of those doctors are stridently pro abortion. YMMV but there is likely a financial interest involved as well. So conversations about "reproductive rights" happen when a gal is in the stirrups. I hope I don't have to leave the state to continue my practice . . . .

Posted by: The More You Know at November 09, 2022 12:57 PM (47T9y)

438 I've just run into too many Republicans

I know, right?

Posted by: Darrell Brooks at November 09, 2022 12:57 PM (zyyF7)

439 Now Paul is just talking nonsense and claiming gas was expensive in the middle of the lockdowns.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2022 12:57 PM (UuD2k)

440 Iirc, the Republicans running against Oz in the primary kind of sucked too. Had any of them run there's a pretty good chance the results would have been the same.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2022 12:57 PM (BJKQV)

441

I thought about how odd it was that abortion got on the MI ballot...

Then I didn't need to think any further.

Disgusting MIGOP treachery. Looks like PAGOP was in on it over there as well, sick fucks.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (XnbJC)

442 Yep but Trump isn't going to go away quietly.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (CQ3Qb)

Oh, what a surprise visit! How good to see you again..../s

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (FCbAQ)

443 Trump's guy lost to brain damage, but MAGA was not on the ticket.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (Cus5s)

Therein lies the conundrum.

Trump's guy wasn't the MAGA candidate? Was the problem who he chose to back then? Were MAGA candidates not swayed by Trump himself?

Barnette was the MAGA candidate. I don't think she would have won PA.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (pwExq)

444 "Except with the Dems emboldened what's to stop them from making abortion at will a Federal law... ? "

It wouldn't be the first time that the same action was forbidden at one level and permitted at another.

The states - if they have any balls at all - will just say, "It's still illegal here, and we will prosecute you if you administer or seek one in this state."

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (lXLkP)

445 419 In the analysis don't discount fraud as a factor in PA or NY. Their electoral processes have that built in. I look forward to a thorough, material analysis with fact based outcomes. Which is almost impossible in places like NY because 23% of the voters are not "verified". That is, they have no ID on file that verifies the voter. A lot of those people just voted yesterday.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (eacmp)

The strong R performance in NY was interesting. I know a guy who was involved in that. I have no idea if it can be leveraged elsewhere or is more specific to concerns of Asian and Jewish communities in New York.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (eYoxG)

446 1. It seems nobody knew nothing. I confess I was wrong in overrating the difficulty of fraud in House seats.

2. Those who say "you cannot predict fraud" puzzle me. Why not? They are already predicting human action at the polls. IMO, they just haven't thought about it.

3. Strictly, I cannot say I KNOW they stole this one, unlike 2020, or even 2018. The late breaking races were close throughout, and it wasn't an 11 pm drop that done us in. At least, it's not obvious that it was.

4. Re #3 above, it'll take some time to figure out exactly what did happen. We'd need to know the breakdowns in many areas. And then there is literally no one whose judgement I trust in this, so I'll remain at sea.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (TgBWG)

447 I'm at the salon about to get my highlights done. When I get home, I may have a Bloody Mary. And I'm not a day drinker.

I'm still gobsmacked that Fetterneck will be in the Senate. PA and NY are lost.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (R9T2D)

448 One word: Fetterman.
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:45 PM (pwExq)
.......

Well, at least Dr. Pimple Popper has job security.

Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (v0R5T)

449 Post more Brando. And expect people to refer to you as Brawndo. 😀
Posted by: polynikes

Thank you. I've been called far worse, so I'm ok with Brawndo. Especially since my name is shameful now. Just like my mom's (Karen). Sheesh.

Posted by: Brando at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (KapQe)

450 I don't understand how all these awful governors - Hochul, Whitmer, Pritzker, etc. - were all reelected after all they did to their constituents. Who reelects people like this? Do they really want to be ruled by idiots?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp
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Speaking as a denizen of downstate Illinois, Chicago, the second largest city in the USA, holds a lot of power in the state.
We country bumpkins downstate cannot compete with both the numbers as well as the sophisticated cheat machine that is second to none.
Having a weak ass Gope here doesn't help matters any, especially when they put up weaksauce candidates to fool the rubes into donating to them to keep the con going.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (8iUlO)

451 the GOPe candidte will be Tim Scott

Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (us2H3)

452 Can someone tell me if we won the House or the Senate. I'm having a bad day info-searching-wise.

Posted by: grammie winger

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No one knows, grammie. This isn't 1982 where you know that night.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (hub+L)

453 I spent the morning reading a book and trying to remember that life goes on.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (Y+l9t)

454 I considered this earlier- Biden must not only feel like a man who got a death row pardon at 11:59, but also bullet proof. He'll most certainly run, but I assume the same 2/3rds who didn't care for him yesterday still feel the same. I don't see things getting better, so he'll continue to be unpopular, at best. Probably good news for 2024 if we can take advantage. (Spoiler, we won't, every issue will be blamed on house obstruction).

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (zsNoE)

455 I think a multi-perspective analysis helps here. Either the American public is going to have to endure a whole lot more pain if they're ever going to un-stupid themselves, or the Democrats stole it with fraud.

****

embrace the power of AND

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Fuck America - National Divorce Now at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (VTu1l)

456 The idea that because Trump's kooky slate of candidates lost, those states are lost forever, is bullshit.

I heard over and over VA was forever blue because Trump lost it handily, then Republicans ran the board in VA.

But I will concede, Republicans get the goalposts moved on candidate quality. It it was it is. Fetterman was braindead but he gets a pass because Oz was a shitty candidate.

But the economy sucking is not going to sweep Trump into power, we saw how that played out last night.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (PwNLq)

457 I ran into that worry with women the most as far as with the abortion decision.

Yeah the lie was pretty well implanted in weaker minds, like a Jedi Mind trick. It doesn't help that the Republican Party did almost nothing to fight this, but again, most people get their information from social media these days and even Twitter still has lingering censorship that keeps the facts from reaching people when its not absolutely banned.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (Ivdso)

458 so...uh...how about that?

biden is the best mid-term president since George W?

I guess it's clear we completely under performed.

I don't know guys, it seems like we're fucked. I think we'll devolve into Johannesburg but maybe we'll be lucky and have a nicely coifed tyranny like canada.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (MLrvz)

459 382 I'm not looking forward to the inter-GOP bloodbath and smug Leftists the next two years. Time for a break from politics and getting banned from Twitter turned out to be a blessing. Politics can become a hobby, if you let it, and as hobbies go, it's garbage.
Posted by: Little Larry Sellers
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I'm not gonna try to tell you not to do things more productive than fighting on the internet, but Leftists don't have time to be smug. They've got an intra-party war of their own to fight. If anything, this election made it worse for them because they can't use the results to give Biden the heave-ho. Biden now thinks he can win again. He's running. That's a disaster for Newsom.
Also, come on, they lost the House. I'm not sure if it's a great day to be smug. Neither side should be feeling too good today. We're only feeling lousy because of expectations.
On the GOP side, I'm hopeful that these results have the opposite effect. We don't need an intra-party war, and maybe we don't get one. If Trump had been a kingmaker yesterday, he looks strong. Now he looks ineffectual, while DeSantis looks great. Heavy D is gonna be the guy, and the sooner that Trump figures that out, the better.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (4QgJj)

460 The fact is that the average human is tribal and simplistic. And we are regressing to the norm. Abstract ideas like "free speech" and "inalienable rights" really can't survive a reversion to a tribal, taboo society.

There is a whole lot more pain in store for the American people.
Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (krQz2)

The minority vote for 2020 makes the case that Donald Trump is the least tribal GOP candidate since Reagan, maybe since Eisenhower, but the overall trends are looking bad indeed.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (igJSL)

461 443 Trump's guy lost to brain damage, but MAGA was not on the ticket.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (Cus5s)

Therein lies the conundrum.

Trump's guy wasn't the MAGA candidate? Was the problem who he chose to back then? Were MAGA candidates not swayed by Trump himself?

Barnette was the MAGA candidate. I don't think she would have won PA.
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (pwExq)

The first guy Trump endorsed got merced by the GOPe and dropped out. That left us with awkward choices and Barnette didn't look competitive until well after the endorsement and pretty late in the contest. Not ideal all around but not exactly something that was caused by serious error.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (eYoxG)

462 390 The Scots, inhabiting the aisle of Britain, are British, too. I think you meant that it was the English that the Irish and Scots turned to attack.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (DceKn)

463 The GOP needs to redefine itself as a brand, away from a bunch of weird homosexuals who worship corporations and want to bomb brown people. It needs to become the party of normal humans who believe in God and want to have peace for their family.
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Right. But you'll never win consistently in Pa, Mi. Ill. or Minn until you purge the voting rolls, require and match ID to the individual ballot. Message is good, when they can magic up an extra 200K votes, you still got problems.

Posted by: The More You Know at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (IGDUS)

464 Lake tweet

Wow. We're going to win big.

Nah. Too many 2020 flashbacks. Trump's people kept talking about how the uncounted ballots had his massive advantage in them. We saw how that turned out. I'd love it if it happened, but I'm not just going to take her camp's word for it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (pIKd9)

465
Elric, I agree, but with Shapiro in office for likely eight years, nothing will change until 2030. So PA is officially done.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:55 PM (d2bW3)
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Sadly, I think PA has been done for decades. It always was a "Blue Wall" state until Trump smashed the wall in 2016. But that was an outlier. Trump took the Dums by surprise. They weren't ready with the big institutional steal. Unlike the GOP, the Dums learn painful lessons and they learned that one. They have not made the same mistake again, and never will. Especially now, with 6+ weeks of early mail-in "voting," we have no chance in PA.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (iFTx/)

466 Conservatives and Republicans do not have a killer instinct except when it comes to attacking their base. They also triangulate off of Pro-Whites and Dissident Right and completely fuck up the formers' messaging. They also steal from anons since Obama (2007) at least and don't have the base's back. The Domestic and international Left pay for people's work and has their back.

TL;DR
The GOPe and RNC has broken the social contract with its base and the People. (Got a buck that says turnout wasn't high for either side).

Posted by: No way to spin last night, at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (qu6IK)

467 Brilliant take, ace.

We need to accept a majority are perfectly fine with totalitarianism. A Venn diagram aligns perfectly with those areas most prone to Covidianism and those who have learned to love the police state. Take a look at that map and vote with your feet.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (dAM/c)

468 So let the dem's decide who our candidate will be? ....

Posted by: I'm just sayin at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (7qgA3)

The Dems would choose Trump as the 2024 Republican nominee 100 times out of 100. So what now?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (CQ3Qb)

469 I still want to hear reporters explain how Fetterman out-performed Biden, who outperformed Obama.

There hasn't been that much population growth in two years.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (hub+L)

470 In Feb of 2021, 10 months later, when Biden took over it was $2.94
It is now $3.80
Google it or continue to be willfully ignorant
Posted by: Paul at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (sP/jr)
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What's it going to be now that Biden doesn't have to dump the Strategic Oil Reserves into the market, Brainiac?

Also, he said "no more drilling" at a recent speech. How do you think that's going to affect the cost? I'll give you a hint: "Supply and Demand".

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (krQz2)

471 Can someone tell me if we won the House or the Senate. I'm having a bad day info-searching-wise.

Posted by: grammie winger

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No one knows, grammie. This isn't 1982 where you know that night.
Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (hub+L)

I "Think" yes we will take the house and the Senate will come down to the GA Runoff again. Sigh. I can't believe a near dead guy won in PA

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (FQBgA)

472 @403 Bulginganus-Yeah thats it must be anger. Here let me go change my drool cup you fantasize I'm wearing right now pounding away angrily at my keyboard. Keep dreaming, keep dreaming boo.

Posted by: JROD at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (0jZnq)

473 Do NOT read Mega Mac's tweets unless you want to rage stroke. Kari Lake deserves to lose because no one comes after the McCains. Gawd, I loathe that spoiled, entitled brat.

In fairness, it's during her father's funeral. And probably also Pride Month.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (ZGrMX)

474 Trumps time is over. I’m not saying he’s better or worse than DeSantis, I’m saying his time is probably done. I worry bigly that a Trump loss in the primaries leads to a 3rd party run that gets applesauce brains elected.

DeSantis is swampier than Trump, but also could be more effective at not getting rolled by the perma-govt who think they’re in charge.
Posted by: Trumpy at November 09, 2022 12:53 PM (5f0Sh)

I'm also almost with the "Trump's Time is Over" camp. Not yet though, and not for anything HE did. Sure he could tone it down. He could definitely have better timing---he should not announce for months if he intends to.
But be advised that they are going to demonize DeSantis just as they did Trump. Sure, DS is smarter, quicker on his feet and a better, smoother politician than Trump in every way. And he'll have the backing of the backstabbers in the GOP, but the media is going to POUND him relentlessly and define him for the LIVs who can't even pronounce his name.
What's more, the GOP consultants will advise DS to "tone it down' to attract the Karen's---and thereby lose some of the Trumpsters.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (mR6Gs)

475 Lake seems to be hinting she's got it??

That's WI and AZ.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (1I6o+)

476 If Barnette could dismantle Fetterman any more credibly during a debate

You misunderstand. The campaign Evil Shrek ran was that Oz was: rich and out of touch, racist, a white male oppressors.

None of that works against Barnette.

She lost the primary because she didn't have the GOPe behind her like the GOPey guy, or Oz's money and Trump's backing.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (ESjRY)

477 No one knows, grammie. This isn't 1982 where you know that night.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM (hub+L)

Thanks

Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (45fpk)

478
"to be honest I think I have a solution but a lot of people just aren't ready to hear it.
Posted by: ace "

I gots to know!

Posted by: Crook on the ground in Dirty Harry at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (63Dwl)

479 I'm not as ideological as many of you, but my take away is three fold, although there is just room for 2 take-aways in this post:

(1) The Republican party must become the party of actual accomplishments. Those governors and legislators who were on the ballot that have actually done and proposed real plans won huge. They are beloved. People connect to this. The democrats talk about issues that are theoretical and intersectional and frankly irrelevant for the average person, we need people who can articulate this and the policies that make a difference to the average person: be it economically, socially or otherwise.

(2) Trumpism is not good for us. I like Trump, he fought for us when nobody else did. He is to be commended. But he's a narcissistic little fuck and he is actively hurting us, in his candidate selection everywhere to how he is arbored by the middle of the country. He is like the abusive husband who put a roof over our heads when it was a thunderstorm and expects us to not just deal with the abuse, neglect and horrible life that results from affiliation with him but actively worship him for it. I'm sorry, I'm better than that.

Posted by: TheInverseAgonist at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (x8miG)

480 I don't think so. In some races, yes, I think fraud was a factor. The PA races, especially governor and Fetterman/Oz, are suspect. The district in Virginia is suspect. Everything in AZ is suspect. I'm not sure about Georgia, but I kind of doubt it.

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Fraud is always a factor in New York, Michigan and Illinois. It may not be the deciding factor, but the game is always rigged, even when it's not necessary. We are always robbed, to some degree.

"The wicked flee when no man pursueth."

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (1dzqn)

481 how many of us can make it through another 6 years like the last 6 years ?

Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (us2H3)

482 The idea that because Trump's kooky slate of candidates lost, those states are lost forever, is bullshit.

Fetterman won. Candidate quality is irrelevant.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (pIKd9)

483 Mastriano was a disaster. I went to one of his rallies and he was extremely off-putting. His mannerisms were weird and uncomfortable. They showed an embarrassing video of him that they were so proud of. And the closed eyes, hands on praying (outside of Philly!). Only thing I remember from his speech is that he wanted to put drug dealers to death.

But I sincerely believe the PA Senate was stolen. Voting security was the same as in 2020. Meaning none. My county was up to its same old tricks - now with unmanned 40 drop-boxes! I agree Oz wasn't a great candidate and I was furious Trump endorsed him. But against Fetterman? Nah.

Also, the race went against every single truism in the history of modern midterm elections - unpopular President, bad economy, inflation etc. Not to mention PA is an energy state.

Democrats have the Secretary of State and head up the Board of Elections in the (Philly) collar counties.

There is a reason Chuck Schumer whispered to Biden that he didn't have to worry about PA.

Just my personal opinion.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (ddFzi)

484 456: But I will concede, Republicans get the goalposts moved on candidate quality. It is was it is. Fetterman was braindead but he gets a pass because Oz was a shitty candidate.

Posted by: Blago
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Fetterman was a shitty candidate in a blue state. Oz was a shitty candidate in a blue state. Tie goes to the blue candidate.

Fetterman doesn't win against Oz in Alabama. He wins in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (4QgJj)

485 "Chicago, the second largest city in the USA"

Now number three (by population,) having been displaced by LA at number two.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (24fqN)

486 Welcome.

I despise you. This blog must be annihilated.
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:47 PM (C1Zwz)

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

No annihilating the blog until we've had your 28,000 word review of "Wakanda Forever".

Posted by: naturalfake at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (KLPy8)

487 The same pundits who spent October telling us there was going to be a red wave are going to spend November telling us why there wasn't.

Nice work if you can get it.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (BJKQV)

488 Another takeaway from the election is that we have to stop believing our own bullshit and recognize that at least 45% of the country is truly bat-shit-crazy insane. At least 45% of the population is totally down with mutilating confused young girls, normalizing pedophilia, abortion until the sweet sixteen, endless wars in countries most couldn't locate on a map, massive corruption, crime and homeless-ridden streets, and fascism. We don't want to believe this. But we must.

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I agree with you, Elric. There is a large % of modern America that wants what you spelled out. If not directly, then they support those measures simple being unaware LIVs supporting those politicians that do want it.

As a traditionally and civically schooled and intelligent society, we have utterly failed for at least the past 30-40 years. The fruits of our abysmal education are here. It's sad to realize, but it's very true. Only grassroots can change it, but it will take a lot of commitment and a lot of years to undo the damage. I don't even know if it's possible.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (sVtYq)

489 Democrats outperformed and vote totals in state after state were huge (for a midterm), and yet, lefty Propaganda cadres are bitching about "voter suppression".

Without evidence.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (8CMl+)

490
This comment:
I'm not gonna try to tell you not to do things more productive than fighting on the internet,
By this Nick:
Masturbatin' Pete

Posted by: Chef's Kiss at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (gYu4w)

491 Want my download?

We need to leave Trump behind. And all his ilk. This election was a repudiation of the loud, obnoxious, bombastic Trump-endorsed candidates spewing ignorance and nonsense.

This was a repudiation of the Herschel Walkers, the Mehmet Oz's, and even though she survived, the MTG's of the world.

We need to start rallying around the real leaders, not the "does good insults on Twitter" crowd.

Trump must go.

Posted by: Goober at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (Hgvgt)

492 Abortion played a role and Trump is a net negative in any purple or blue state. His schtick only works in states we were going to win anyway.

This does not explain Trump's crossover draw. This comment ignores it.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (53oGX)

493 I called the Roe vs Wade leak and subsequent impact on campaigning and elections.
There are a lot of people who voted solely based on abortion. I hoped against it, but that action failed.

Posted by: Concrete truck hairpin turn collision take me now at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (ZsSEZ)

494 475 Lake seems to be hinting she's got it??

That's WI and AZ.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (1I6o+)

She's not the Senate Candidate

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (bs+z0)

495 I will say that there is one clear take away: We absolutely need governors and state legislatures (and SoS's) so we can clean out the Augean Stables that are America's election system. (And, if the truth be known, always have been in far too many places. When growing up in NY, I literally never met an adult who didn't think it was fixed, on either side. Except teachers, who had to claim otherwise.)

Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (TgBWG)

496 It's called ballot harvesting. Fetterman had a mil votes in the bank a month before the election. It's targeted. Maybe 2 or 3 counties, 25-30 precincts per sate, five states (just off the top of my head). They know how many votes in which districts and where to go to get them (literally down to the house). You will not change the laws because they win the key elections.

The only thing you can do is beat them at their own game. Republicans have two years to figure this out a ramp up their own targeted harvesting operation. If not... get used to this feeling.

Posted by: FOMSG at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (go1Uo)

497 as for Oz, you tell me.

Why would he have been any more unpalatable than any other democrat?

As far as I could tell, he's smooth bright and charming while his opponent was a literal commie golem. Unless there's some error that only Oz had, then Pennsylvania is fucked up. period. It's not trump or us. It's purely tribal.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (MLrvz)

498 Now, I'm somebody who has never solidly accused the Dems of stealing *anything*, but just agree with the general consensus of Dems ~10 years ago that mail-in and dropbox ballets are rife with opportunities for fraud. So, I'm consistent in this belief.

And since the Democrats are working to make it illegal to "spread disinformation" about ballot fraud, it's really going to be tough to make this case, increasingly.

Posted by: Axeman at November 09, 2022 12:56 PM (krQz2)
429

Nothing will be done in blue or purple states until there is a concerted effort to outfraud the fraudsters, IMO.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (yHsuS)

499 Thanks

Posted by: grammie winger
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The democrats will tell us in two weeks or so.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (hub+L)

500 Yes, this is what I was considering as well. as a people, we are self selecting where we want to live. i honestly think eventually we will break up as a country along these lines.
Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (mnUzy)

We had someone at our company move back east because of culture reasons. She's from there originally but said she did not like texas. Your position makes sense IC.

Posted by: Mishdog at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (RiII5)

501 will Newsom challenge Biden in 2024? especially if DeSantis runs?

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (mnUzy)

502 "Where can we get a lobotomized candidate?"

Evan McMullin stands ready to serve.

Posted by: NeverBiden at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (eIGHH)

503 Charlie Kirk says Lake will win by 100k votes.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (1I6o+)

504 On abortion, people will go with the Dems because they would rather have the option, even if its not exercised, to get a pregnancy terminated at any time than go with the option of zero abortions.

It's simply more selfish. Most people are not ghouls and would never get an 8 month pregancy aborted. So they prefer the Dem position instead of the potential zero tolerance Republican position.

But lets be clear, the traditional prolife position is not "first trimester only" it's basically completely banned, with some even saying even in cases of rape.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (PwNLq)

505 @456 Blago-What did you get bored over at Right Scoop bashing on Trump with your delusional bullshit?

Posted by: JROD at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (0jZnq)

506 462 390 The Scots, inhabiting the aisle of Britain, are British, too. I think you meant that it was the English that the Irish and Scots turned to attack.

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Pederast.

I mean, pedant. Sorry.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 01:03 PM (1dzqn)

507 with the house, the GOP will become complicit with any programs that Joe foists upon the people

they will get none of the credit and most of the blame

and they will do this gladly

Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 01:03 PM (us2H3)

508 Another step to winning elections more?
Tossing rancid bags of s*** like this guy out of the party sooner rather than later.

CNN: “Do you see [Ron DeSantis] as the future of the Republican Party?”

Adam Kinzinger: “I don’t...”

Posted by: Azathoth at November 09, 2022 01:03 PM (wb1YC)

509 As a traditionally and civically schooled and intelligent society, we have utterly failed for at least the past 30-40 years. The fruits of our abysmal education are here. It's sad to realize, but it's very true. Only grassroots can change it, but it will take a lot of commitment and a lot of years to undo the damage. I don't even know if it's possible.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (sVtYq)

I know 3 kids in the midwest that are being homeschooled to ensure they are educated.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at November 09, 2022 01:03 PM (53oGX)

510 CNN and MSNBC and the Big Three just tell lie after lie after lie about Trump and The Republicans, and worse, keep things that would hurt Democrats out of public view. Like Hunter's laptop. Or Fettermann's health.
Hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians voted for The Lump TWO MONTHS AGO before they realized how bad he was. Thousands would have recalled their vote--if they could have.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2022 12:54 PM (mR6Gs)

Concur.

Posted by: mrp at November 09, 2022 01:03 PM (6eRlp)

511 Virginia Democrat Congresswoman Elaine Luria became one of the first incumbents to lose re-election Tuesday night as well as the fourth member of the House Select Committee of Jan. 6 to leave Congress next year.

Luria lost in Virginia’s southeast 2nd congressional district to Republican Jennifer Kiggans, a nurse practitioner and former Navy pilot.

In her concession speech, Lauria congratulated her opponent, thanked supporters, and went on to fearmonger over President Donald Trump’s “danger” to “democracy.”

“Our work is not done,” Luria said. “Donald Trump wants to announce for president in 2024, and the dangers that exist to our democracy, the things that I’ve been working on as a member of the Select Committee for the January 6th investigation … that work continues.”

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:03 PM (RHGPo)

512 440 Iirc, the Republicans running against Oz in the primary kind of sucked too. Had any of them run there's a pretty good chance the results would have been the same.

The dems are having a belly laugh at our expense. Put up an incoherent man with a scrambled mind, bum ticker, on borrowed time, and watch him beat the Republican, any Republican.

Posted by: James Smith at November 09, 2022 01:03 PM (hvfJj)

513 I'm still gobsmacked that Fetterneck will be in the Senate. PA and NY are lost.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 09, 2022 12:58 PM

*waves from MA*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2022 01:04 PM (Wnv9h)

514 Now Paul is just talking nonsense and claiming gas was expensive in the middle of the lockdowns.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

Bai Den claimed it was $5/gal when he took over.
It wasn't.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 09, 2022 01:04 PM (RvuYE)

515 You misunderstand. The campaign Evil Shrek ran was that Oz was: rich and out of touch, racist, a white male oppressors.

None of that works against Barnette.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (ESjRY)

Lol, guess again.

Posted by: Larry Elder. The black face of white supremacy at November 09, 2022 01:04 PM (fY72E)

516 Evan McMullin stands ready to serve.
Posted by: NeverBiden at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (eIGHH)

How do you even lobotomize a breakfast sandwich? Scoop the yolk out?

Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 01:04 PM (6FeV1)

517 And since the Democrats are working to make it illegal to "spread disinformation" about ballot fraud, it's really going to be tough to make this case, increasingly.

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Someone posted last night that the Brazil version of their SCOTUS (I don't remember the details) said it's a crime to question election results and the punishment is a 25 year prison term.

I think I also read that our boys notified a candidate and said "you shouldn't raise a stink when you lose" a month or two before the election.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:04 PM (hub+L)

518 The first guy Trump endorsed got merced by the GOPe and dropped out. That left us with awkward choices and Barnette didn't look competitive until well after the endorsement and pretty late in the contest. Not ideal all around but not exactly something that was caused by serious error.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (eYoxG)
_________________

This. People on this blog like to shit on Oz. I wasn't a big fan, but he wasn't Trump's first choice. Nor was there any better candidate available. I personally liked Barnette, but she was too unknown and too unproven to have any real chance. I think Oz won, btw. We'll learn in the coming weeks that the mail-in ballots favored Ogreman by statistically impossible margins. That was gonna happen no matter who the GOP candidate was.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 01:04 PM (iFTx/)

519 Look we lost PA and other places because of the deep blue cities and certain race groups who are still programed to vote democratic no matter what. Hard to see how we change that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (FQBgA)

520 Lake tweet
Wow. We're going to win big.

two for me.
one for you.
two for me.
one for you.
etc.

Posted by: Katie Hobbs at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (v0R5T)

521 I know it's doom and gloom time but I can't stop twirling knowing that I won't have Mandela Barnes (D-BLM Commie) as my Senator.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (45fpk)

522 Fetterman doesn't win against Oz in Alabama. He wins in Pennsylvania.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (4QgJj)

But would Fetterman(R) lose to Oz(D) in Alabama?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (pIKd9)

523 Barnette was the MAGA candidate. I don't think she would have won PA.

If Oz lost, what's the difference, other than not endorsing someone who barely is Republican to begin with? Trump picked his buddy instead of the better candidate and it still failed against a stroke victim thug. This is GOPe logic: we have to back the guy who can win! Oops he lost anyway.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (Ivdso)

524 But I will concede, Republicans get the goalposts moved on candidate quality. It it was it is. Fetterman was braindead but he gets a pass because Oz was a shitty candidate.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (PwNLq)

This wasn't "tee hee, Fetterman is as dumb as AOC." The guy is a literal vegetable who can't be trusted to drive a car or make change at the gas station. If anything, Mehmet Oz trying to be the MAGA candidate makes the case that a certain kind of Republican is chasing unicorns. Trump's MAGA candidates are talentless obscurities... but celebrity candidates like Walker and Oz can't win elections? What kind of candidate do you want, exactly?

That's setting the stage for the upcoming betrayal of the MAGA principles, which were not more sophisticated than a more patriotic rebalancing of trade agreements, and if we're going back to Bush-era compassionate deceit then count me out.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (igJSL)

525 I voted for trump twice so nobody can call me a never-Trumper. But now I think Trump is more about getting revenge for 2020 and all the shit he's been put though than he is about the country. He cant stand being a 1 term president. His ego was necessary in 2016. Now its hurting us and the country

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (IHGKo)

526 Good News: Soros Wasted $2.5M on Stacey Abrams, $1M on Beto

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:06 PM (RHGPo)

527 I'm just getting a little fatigued fighting for a civilization wherein the people as a matter of popular opinion, want to die and want their civilization extinguished, and their wisdom erased and forgotten.

Posted by: mikethemoose at November 09, 2022 01:06 PM (T/vhV)

528 521 I know it's doom and gloom time but I can't stop twirling knowing that I won't have Mandela Barnes (D-BLM Commie) as my Senator.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (45fpk

Yes.. There are some positives

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2022 01:06 PM (bs+z0)

529 474...But be advised that they are going to demonize DeSantis just as they did Trump. Sure, DS is smarter, quicker on his feet and a better, smoother politician than Trump in every way. And he'll have the backing of the backstabbers in the GOP, but the media is going to POUND him relentlessly and define him for the LIVs who can't even pronounce his name.
What's more, the GOP consultants will advise DS to "tone it down' to attract the Karen's---and thereby lose some of the Trumpsters.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (mR6Gs)

This! 100%.

Posted by: MattyCO at November 09, 2022 01:06 PM (7DHQv)

530 I didnt realize Zeldin only lost by 4 points (and probably closer with all votes tallied).

perhaps another 4 years of every other karen getting raped and murdered in central park will clinch it for Zeldin if he runs one more time

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Fuck America - National Divorce Now at November 09, 2022 01:06 PM (VTu1l)

531 Charlie Kirk says Lake will win by 100k votes.

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I'm not going to believe anybody's rosy pictures. That's for sure. If she manages to win, I'll be very happy. That's about as optimistic as I'll go.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 01:06 PM (sVtYq)

532 I'm just getting a little fatigued fighting for a civilization wherein the people as a matter of popular opinion, want to die and want their civilization extinguished, and their wisdom erased and forgotten.
Posted by: mikethemoose at November 09, 2022 01:06 PM (T/vhV)

Well put

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2022 01:06 PM (FQBgA)

533 will Newsom challenge Biden in 2024? especially if DeSantis runs?
Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (mnUzy)
.........

Magic 8 Ball ego meter says yes.

Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 01:06 PM (v0R5T)

534 A country boy will survive. No more love thy neighbor here, fuck them all, let them suffer, I'm looking forward to it. Come begging or looking or food? Go starve, you voted for it. My compassion has officially hit 0 fucks to give. This country evidently needs to suffer a lot to get it though their thick skulls, or perhaps some natural culling of the herd.

Posted by: KarlHungus at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (MhCcX)

535 At least 45% of the population is totally down with mutilating confused young girls, normalizing pedophilia, abortion until the sweet sixteen, endless wars in countries most couldn't locate on a map, massive corruption, crime and homeless-ridden streets, and fascism.

////////

IDK, did anyone outside of our own little bubble talk about this stuff.

I know tranny shit is how Youngkin got elected. But all I saw was gas expensive and crime.

IDK. I wasn't paying attention to 1994 and I forget 2010. So, what fucked it up for the dems?

Maybe the country has always been a DNC country, and the decades of the Reagan light was just an abberation. Our idiot forebears went through the great depression thinking the public works act saved them

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (MLrvz)

536 The GA Senate runoff is the most important election in our lifetime.

Too soon?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (qH6FZ)

537 We have no equivalent as the GOPe in their camp.

There are no Rmoney's, McConnell's, Murcowski's. Or Cawthorn's.

Something tells me we need to run some undercover's in their races.

Posted by: torabora at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (z0aPa)

538 Lol, guess again.

Posted by: Larry Elder.

That the best you got?

Newsome isn't Evil Shrek. And Barnette isn't Elder...

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (ESjRY)

539 Cocaine Mitch has a plan to kick Trump out of the party but keep his voters. Right?

Maybe he should get his ass to Arizona and Nevada and fight for starters. Won't look good to look on with indifference.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (DePyg)

540 Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (45fpk)

He lost? Oh, good news!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (vH/6k)

541 After holding office for more than thirty years, Tony DeLuca was always the odds-on favorite to win another term representing Pennsylvania’s 30th legislative district. The Republicans didn’t even put anyone up to run against him and the Green Party candidate he was facing hadn’t gained any sort of traction. There was just one small fly in the ointment for this race, however. Tony DeLuca died last month after a prolonged battle with lymphoma.

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (RHGPo)

542 84 "bullshit, he took all the money from the RNC, he spent very very little of his own money. he's a cheapskate.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:23 PM (C1Zwz)"

Good grief. It's amazing people don't know this. It's part of the reason the RNC just came out in advance and said they would not foot his legal bills.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 12:26 PM (eacmp)

Late to the thread, so jumping in right here.

Look, ace, of course Trump is going to spend very little of his own money. If Perot taught anyone a lesson, it's that you're not building a new party from scratch. In our system, you'll need to work with the one you have. Trump won the Republican primaries in 2016. That earns him the right to use the RNC apparatus - and money - to get him the presidency. It works that way for everyone else, and it should work for him. As the nominee, who ran on Build The Wall and other things, once he wins, that's the platform. As the RNC, you don't get the right to veto that. Don't like it, get a candidate that gets you the nomination. The RNC went against Trump's - and the electorate's wishes by getting in his way. That was their problem then, and it is now.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (9miN6)

543 I like Trump,

But he's a narcissistic little fuck
Posted by: TheInverseAgonist

Posted by: One of these things is not like the other at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (P9uHH)

544 Thank God Barnes lost!

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (IHGKo)

545 523 "Barnette was the MAGA candidate. I don't think she would have won PA."

If Oz lost, what's the difference, other than not endorsing someone who barely is Republican to begin with? Trump picked his buddy instead of the better candidate and it still failed against a stroke victim thug. This is GOPe logic: we have to back the guy who can win! Oops he lost anyway.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (Ivdso)

It's one thing to favor the redder candidate when it's close, which Trump did. Trump reddened the party this year. Which may actually have hurt the Rs electorally. But at any rate, Barnette wasn't in a position to really be considered when the endorsement came in.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (eYoxG)

546 I’m still struggling with the fact that people actually want Fetterman to be their Senator
Posted by: Jay in PA

I’m wondering how many voted for the Lumpy Lummox prior to that “debate”. But, hey, “it worked didn’t it?”.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (t3IUU)

547 Lake seems to be hinting she's got it??

That's WI and AZ.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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One of my good friends is in a senior positon on a statewide candidate race in AZ.

I dont want to spread false info, but he's telling me Kari Lake wins, that he feels the votes left are overwhelmingly in her favor. But again, just one data point. He also feels other statewide races go in Republicans favor.

kari lake's biggest mistake was
A) She told people not to vote early
B) She tied herself to Trump's hip, with signs that had both of their faces

Trump does NOT play well in AZ. Period.

Had she been her won figure, she would have won by a larger margin. Assuming she is able to eek this out against a TERRIBLE Dem candidate.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (PwNLq)

548 There was never any chance a Republican was going to win in New York City anyway, bemoaning that is pointless. Anyone who thought that was going to happen was believing their own press.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (Ivdso)

549 But lets be clear, the traditional prolife position is not "first trimester only" it's basically completely banned, with some even saying even in cases of rape.

Well yeah, we believe they are people. How they were conceived is irrelevant.

When I meet someone for the first time I don't ask "say buddy, how were you conceived? Rape? Seriously? You really should be dead. F*ck off."

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at November 09, 2022 01:08 PM (xLqhd)

550 The Lifestyle Brand Liberals are fine with the price of gasoline, which they understand must Necessarily Skyrocket (TM) if we're to save the world from Carbon Dioxide (The Invisible Killer).

not necessarily though. Our local Whole Foods' lifestyle brands are sitting on the shelves as the lower cost 365 house brand fast disappears.

And they can run race- and class-baiting plays for Suburban White Karen against lower-class white men just the same as they used to run race-baiting plays for black

this is why the WSJ poll that found AWFLs had flipped to the GOP would be devastating to the demorats in collar counties

Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2022 01:08 PM (dCxaZ)

551 526 Good News: Soros Wasted $2.5M on Stacey Abrams, $1M on Beto

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Did he? Or were those merely passthroughs? How much money flowed from those campaigns to help stop the bleeding in other races, or to support ballot initiatives?

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 01:08 PM (1dzqn)

552 539 Cocaine Mitch has a plan to kick Trump out of the party but keep his voters. Right?

Maybe he should get his ass to Arizona and Nevada and fight for starters. Won't look good to look on with indifference.
Posted by: East Bay Jay at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (DePyg)

What I'm mostly hearing is a plan to kick Trump out of the party and lose his voters. I'm just going to laugh if it happens. Whatever, burns either way.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 01:08 PM (eYoxG)

553 A recent survey of 1,000 hiring managers in the United States found that one in six, or about 16%, have been told to stop hiring white men. Additionally, 14% of hiring managers said they have also been told to deprioritize hiring white women.

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:08 PM (RHGPo)

554 521 I know it's doom and gloom time but I can't stop twirling knowing that I won't have Mandela Barnes (D-BLM Commie) as my Senator.
Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 01:05 PM (45fpk)

Smiling for you!

Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (Emce2)

555 I guess that the pain that inevitably results from the "progressive" mandate was for many still somewhat tolerable yesterday. Well, the discomfort index is about to climb.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (Xrfse)

556 My gut tells me Trump comes out swinging hard against DeSantis. The one liner two days before a contested election was just his first salvo, when he was expecting to win big but still felt threatened. Now he's wounded and will lash out at who he perceives as his biggest threat. This will have the opposite of intended effect, pushing folks who like DeSantis but would support Trump, away.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (zsNoE)

557 Republicans were vastly outspent, despite having funds to spend. I think there was an assumption we would have a huge night simply because the economy is bad. There was also an assumption that the average voter is well-informed and could disregard the 24/7 reinforcement by the media of whatever the Dems wanted to blame for the economy this week.

Didn't work. It turns out that you have to get your message out, ad nauseum, even when the message is "obvious". My personal estimate base upon upon my own experience was about a 4 to 1 edge for Democrats in political ads.

Posted by: Lieutenant Duh at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (3DTwf)

558 The Republicans do not deserve your consideration for your vote until they can answer one question:
How will you win in mail-in ballot elections?

Nothing else matters.

Because the current answer of "cede the race or try to outvote them on election day" is now a two-time (and decades long in OR) failure.
Either they figure out how to get more mail-in ballots than the Dems or they don't deserve your vote. No more of this fucking whining "they out-cheated us" BS. Win the game under the rules as they are, not what you wish they were.

I guarantee for $1 million, they could have a list of every unregistered adult who is a likely conservative in the state.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (5EnGD)

559 Holy shit!!! I take that back Blago. You're not from The Right Scoop or a commenter over there. They sound way more sane over there about Trump than the BS over here. Shocked.

Posted by: JROD at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (0jZnq)

560 548 There was never any chance a Republican was going to win in New York City anyway, bemoaning that is pointless. Anyone who thought that was going to happen was believing their own press.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (Ivdso)

That's true, but it was shockingly close. Like woah nelly, we should see if there's anything we can learn from that.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (eYoxG)

561 I do not care how bad Oz was as a candidate, no way should Fetterman have won. PA is fucked up beyond belief, there is no hope for them. And just behind them is WI where Barnes came close to winning. Don't get me started on MI, I love MI and we came close to retiring there. So glad we didn't, it is beyond hope as well. How IN and OH remain as red as they are I do not know.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (2NHgQ)

562 Don’t count the GOP house eggs just yet. Remember what happened in 2018 in 4 or 5 house seats in California. Republican looked sure to win then as the counts dragged on for days, even weeks all were lost. We are in a similar situation now.

Posted by: Not Again!! at November 09, 2022 01:10 PM (CcLoJ)

563 536 The GA Senate runoff is the most important election in our lifetime.

Too soon?

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DEMOCRACY IS ON THE BALLOT 1!!_!))!)!)!!!)!)!

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 01:10 PM (1dzqn)

564 Someone posted last night that the Brazil version of their SCOTUS (I don't remember the details) said it's a crime to question election results and the punishment is a 25 year prison term.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:04 PM (hub+L)

I can't find anything on that.

Posted by: Robert at November 09, 2022 01:10 PM (fY72E)

565 Trump must go.
Posted by: Goober at November 09, 2022 01:02 PM (Hgvgt)

I respectfully disagree. I think Trump makes the best case for MAGA values. DeSantis is needed in Florida.
I don't think getting rid of Trump solves the fraud problem.

Posted by: Iris at November 09, 2022 01:10 PM (foa6+)

566 Michael Lawler Contributes to Flipping the House, Knocks out DCCC Chair Sean Patrick Maloney in NY-17

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:10 PM (RHGPo)

567 oh, if abortion, which wasn't really that high on the polling was the key issue, then maybe talk about the actual metes and bounds of it, bc I know that every democrat said the republican wants to ban all abortion.

Again, biden is fucking shit show evil puppet meathusk of a person with a terrible economy.

These small details shouldn't matter.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 09, 2022 01:10 PM (MLrvz)

568 He lost? Oh, good news!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 09, 2022 01:07 PM (vH/6k)

Yes, I'm very relieved. He scared me.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 01:10 PM (45fpk)

569 IDK. I wasn't paying attention to 1994 and I forget 2010. So, what fucked it up for the dems?

In 92 Clinton ran arguably to the right on Bush 41. The recession had ended by the election but he claimed he would end it. Instead there was 2 years of economic malaise.

So the electorate that turned on elder Bush for lying on tax cuts turned on the Dems in 94. The media lying about OKC saved Clinton himself in 96

In 2010 people were mad about Obamacare...again Obama lied about being a moderate (yes the voters often fall for that). I can't explain 2012 outside of Romney intentionally losing.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2022 01:10 PM (ESjRY)

570 I'm just getting a little fatigued fighting for a civilization wherein the people as a matter of popular opinion, want to die and want their civilization extinguished, and their wisdom erased and forgotten.
Posted by: mikethemoose at November 09, 2022 01:06 PM (T/vhV)
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Wouldn't be so bad if they just offed themselves and saved us the trouble...

But no, they have to take us down FIRST. Then, and only then, will they destroy themselves, civilization, and eliminate humanity from the planet to save Mother Gaia.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 09, 2022 01:10 PM (YIVH2)

571 I just saw this on Twitter:

All this Trump v. DeSantis talk is juicy, but under the hood, there's a far more pressing issue: Democrats fortified their COVID mass mail-in-voting apparatus. It's a vote-harvesting juggernaut that will continue to produce competitive results no matter the GOP nominee.

This is definitely so. All the red wave stuff happened last two weeks. Pennsylvania and Virginia had already been voting for a month by then.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (pwExq)

572 FL changes Gov term limits

maybe

Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (us2H3)

573 If the voters in the blue districts of PA really believe that Fetterman accurately represents who they are, I guess I have to accept their self assessment.

Posted by: jc at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (N1WXz)

574 So much for the Hispanic and black swing.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (pb6ET)

575 Posted by: JROD at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (0jZnq)

Consider taking it down a notch or just ignoring people who insult you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (vH/6k)

576 I don't understand how all these awful governors - Hochul, Whitmer, Pritzker, etc. - were all reelected after all they did to their constituents. Who reelects people like this? Do they really want to be ruled by idiots?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 09, 2022 12:49 PM (d2bW3)

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Worse than that, why would AZ, who fared the man-made COVID lockdowns better than neighboring CA & NM, would want to install someone as governor who was all in on that garbage?

That is my biggest disappointment with the results of AZ. I believe Lake will pull ahead, based on how "Election Week" played out in 2020. But that doesn't explain the swooning for Hobbs.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (TNyrE)

577 Like woah nelly, we should see if there's anything we can learn from that.

Democrats should, but they won't because they don't have to. Why should they change? No matter how repulsive, disgusting, radical, extreme, and insane they get, they still win by cheating. There's absolutely zero motivation for changing or learning, only to double down and become even worse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (Ivdso)

578 Oh of course the media will demonize desantis like they demonize all Republicans. Desantis has a solid record in Florida to point to though.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&V at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (IHGKo)

579 With Thanksgiving right around the corner people everywhere will soon be plotting out extensive grocery lists. Whether your family likes to try new things or go the more traditional route, gathering around food always feels good. This holiday season Kiva Confections’ cannabis-infused turkey gravy puts a Thanksgiving twist on a classic flavor.

.. but who can afford it ?

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (RHGPo)

580 You misunderstand. The campaign Evil Shrek ran was that Oz was: rich and out of touch, racist, a white male oppressors.

None of that works against Barnette.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM (ESjRY)

Lol, guess again.
Posted by: Larry Elder. The black face of white supremacy at November 09, 2022 01:04 PM (fY72E)

Just so. Alan Keyes had considerably more experience than Barnette and her got relentlessly stomped as a black conservative candidate. It's possible to beat the Democrats with race, but Herschel Walker is an example of a celebrity black candidate who had to put up with a lot of deceit (and fraud) to lose to Warnock.

At some point, you realize that the problem -certain- people had with Trump-endorsed candidates is actually that Trump endorsed them.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (igJSL)

581 Kick out Trump and you're left with a party run completely unopposed by the likes of McConnell. Which is fine by me, because nothing good will happen in this country politically until the GOP is utterly annihilated.

Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (6FeV1)

582 Smiling for you!

Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (Emce2)

Thanks Emmie!

Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (45fpk)

583 530 I didnt realize Zeldin only lost by 4 points (and probably closer with all votes tallied).

perhaps another 4 years of every other karen getting raped and murdered in central park will clinch it for Zeldin if he runs one more time

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Static analysis. Fraud never sleeps.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (1dzqn)

584 My wife just was telling me, after I mentioned the abortion vote appeared to have more influence than expected, that the last episode of grey's anatomy was all about abortion, having to cross state lines, and one bleeding to death because she couldn't get one, etc. Pretty much ruined the show for good for her.

Posted by: Turn two at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (JfxgE)

585 Breaking! Oz concedes Senate race to Fetterman

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (RHGPo)

586
525 I voted for trump twice so nobody can call me a never-Trumper. But now I think Trump is more about getting revenge for 2020 and all the shit he's been put though than he is about the country. He cant stand being a 1 term president. His ego was necessary in 2016. Now its hurting us and the country.

It's not just him that seeks revenge for 2020. Dems have to be taught a lesson. Mo Brooks decided he wanted to move on and urged others to do the same. Where will he be in January?

Americans love fighters, not quitters.

Posted by: James Smith at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (hvfJj)

587 So much for the Hispanic and black swing.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (pb6ET)

Do Hispanics even vote in large numbers?

Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (mR6Gs)

588 I have said this over and over - if we want to get election security, Republicans need to get good at cheating.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (pwExq)

589 Gentleman, when the lights go out, and the power stations and refineries get shut down, and the supply chain is massively disrupted, the cannibal will be released.

I have family that work at Albertsons and the shelves are almost empty. No deliveries since last Wed.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (geVLo)

590 I don't think getting rid of Trump solves the fraud problem.
Posted by: Iris
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The catch 22 is, if you believe the system is that rigged, why is Trump able to defeat the fraud machine when he couldn't last time?

What has changed?

And if Trump truly believes this, why would he run again? I wouldn't play in a poker game if I knew it was rigged.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (PwNLq)

591 Festerman looks like the *founder* of the church of satan.
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at November 09, 2022 12:48 PM (YJwUM)

***

You take that back...

Posted by: Anton LeVay at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (flINI)

592 they are pushing Ron like they pushed Mutt

Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 01:13 PM (us2H3)

593 Trump needs to be speaker of the house ....

Posted by: Haywood at November 09, 2022 01:13 PM (lAfAQ)

594 News to me. Georgetown men's basketball snapped a 21 game losing streak. Patrick Ewing is head coach.

Didn't realize they were that shitty.

Posted by: mr tmz at November 09, 2022 01:13 PM (rJ48h)

595 Donna Ampersand - are you still stuck with Gwen Moore?

Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 01:13 PM (45fpk)

596 I like Trump,

But he's a narcissistic little fuck
Posted by: TheInverseAgonist

Not at all true. Trump is over 6 feet tall.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 09, 2022 01:13 PM (ESjRY)

597 Don’t count the GOP house eggs just yet. Remember what happened in 2018 in 4 or 5 house seats in California. Republican looked sure to win then as the counts dragged on for days, even weeks all were lost. We are in a similar situation now.
Posted by: Not Again!! at November 09, 2022 01:10 PM (CcLoJ)

There are 56 races left undecided. Republicans have won 203 seats so far, dems 176. Democrats need to win 75% of the remaining seats to hit 218. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Nobody's really handicapping it because everyone's obsessed with Kari Lake.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 09, 2022 01:13 PM (pIKd9)

598

Many of these hotly contested races lost well outside the margin of steal because over 50% of the country is made up of mentally ill perverts, heavily indocinated communists and sniveling cowards who would rather be told what to think eat drive and speak than live free, irrationally furious because they loath themselves and must redirect their justifiable self-contempt at us.

Their soulless hate drives them to drag us to doom with them, and they laugh as they do so.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 09, 2022 01:13 PM (jPBC0)

599 Kari Lake within 0.6% of the abortion mouse but the count has not changed in hours. Stuck at 66% all day. Crap like this is what feeds the election denial. Count the damn votes!

Posted by: Ripley at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (MxEKc)

600 590 I don't think getting rid of Trump solves the fraud problem.
Posted by: Iris
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The catch 22 is, if you believe the system is that rigged, why is Trump able to defeat the fraud machine when he couldn't last time?

What has changed?

And if Trump truly believes this, why would he run again? I wouldn't play in a poker game if I knew it was rigged.
Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (PwNLq)

Sheer volume. The guy who can get you the most votes is still the guy who can get you the most votes. Fraud doesn't obviate the need to show that someone else can actually compete with Trump's numbers to be worth trying.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (eYoxG)

601 Now I'm. It in the boat that thinks the modernists were right about the nature of man. I still view him as an image of his creator, due the dignity and respect of a sovereign will so crafted in said image.

What modernism gets right is the weakness of man is to voluntarily devolve into cattle with no glimmer of the divine will between eating, drinking, sleeping and f*king.

All Democrats offer is just that. You'll own nothing and be happy, eating drinking sleeping and f*king, and you know what......It sells.

Posted by: mikethemoose at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (T/vhV)

602 I've seen eak and eek, but not eke. It should be 'eke' out a victory. C'mon people! This is no time to give up the fight for proper spelling!

Posted by: Chuck Martel at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (fs1hN)

603 "We're only feeling lousy because of expectations."
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Got a mouse in your pocket?

It's a beautiful sunny day in my AO, will be seeing my g-babies this weekend, and I had no expectations about anything yesterday, thus, no lousy feelings.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (8iUlO)

604 Herschel Walker is an example of a celebrity black candidate who had to put up with a lot of deceit (and fraud) to lose to Warnock.

.. Georgia SoS declares need for runoff

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (RHGPo)

605 Breaking! Oz concedes Senate race to Fetterman
Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (RHGPo)

Oz wasn't that great a candidate , but Fettermman and the stupid idiots who voted for him made a TRUE mockery of Our Democracy

Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (mR6Gs)

606 472 Dude, when you type a lengthy comment in ALL CAPS, others are perfectly justified in assuming that maybe your emotion is getting the better of you.

It was your vehemence that I was commenting on, not the substance of your comment. But that was drowned out anyway by all the emotion, so I couldn’t tell what the hell you were trying to say.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (DceKn)

607 No matter how repulsive, disgusting, radical, extreme, and insane they get, they still win by cheating. There's absolutely zero motivation for changing or learning, only to double down and become even worse.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (Ivdso)

How can you win democratic elections when you're pushing the boulder up a hill? It's a thankless and futile task. If the Constitution can't guarantee liberty, justice, and prosperity, it's time to go back to the Declaration.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (igJSL)

608 It's called ballot harvesting.
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If you think you can explain philadelphia voting with just ballot harvesting you might as well just open a vein.

They have tons of dead people on the voting rolls. And mathematically impossible numbers of people voting. Purge the rolls of the dead and double voters. match the ballot to an ID. you need to change your drivers license to have a scan able unique code, that is scanable in the same image with the ballot code.

Posted by: One of these things is not like the other at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (/+thL)

609 Fetterman "won" because the DNC successfully hid him from public until sufficient mail in ballots were collected. Cheating wasn't really necessary, though, I'm sure some cheating took place.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker

A lotta folks have lumps on their heads and they feel a kinship to him.

Posted by: JT at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (T4tVD)

610 but under the hood, there's a far more pressing issue: Democrats fortified their COVID mass mail-in-voting apparatus. It's a vote-harvesting juggernaut that will continue to produce competitive results no matter the GOP nominee.

This is definitely so. All the red wave stuff happened last two weeks. Pennsylvania and Virginia had already been voting for a month by then.
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (pwExq)
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This is exactly right. Republicans need to alter strategy to push up debates -- which we win -- and expose the democrats for their ideology early.

Even down to election night coverage has changed. With the huge dem mail-in barrage, they get off to a huge *perceived* lead early in the nights that alters media coverage of the races and how it's spun. We'll still win the races as the day-of vote is tallied, but by then the narrative is crafted and the articles are out. The media is an enemy.

Posted by: TheInverseAgonist at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (x8miG)

611 A recent survey of 1,000 hiring managers in the United States found that one in six, or about 16%, have been told to stop hiring white men. Additionally, 14% of hiring managers said they have also been told to deprioritize hiring white women.

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Of course, all on the down low. I believe this to be accurate, and I also believe that figure will grow. It is ok, and encouraged, to discriminate against white people. The tentacles are now going to reach past plain old icky white men, and will engulf white women as well.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (sVtYq)

612 McConnel had a lot more money than Trump to spend on candidates. Why is ace expecting Trump to be the Republican Party here? There are plenty of big money donors to the Republican Party that make Trump look like a middle class worker in comparison.

Posted by: JROD at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (0jZnq)

613 Beto O’Rourke Wastes $160M To Lose Every Race: "An Austin couple gave $2 million to Beto"

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (RHGPo)

614 Georgia SoS declares need for runoff
Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (RHGPo)

Democrats will throw 6000000 into the race and Warnock will prevail

Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (mR6Gs)

615 Nobody's really handicapping it because everyone's obsessed with Kari Lake.
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True.

Posted by: Person obsessing over Kari Lake's fitness (for Gov. also) at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (fs1hN)

616 In 2012, the Republican Party famously did a 'post-mortem' on their loss. It was conducted by open borders/pro-Amnesty Bush-Republicans and concluded that the Republican Party lost because they were insufficiently open borders and pro-Amnesty. And recommended that to win in the future, the GOP must become an open borders, pro-Amnesty party.

If a post-election analysis is just an excuse for one group to claim their particular hobby-horse ("We lost because of Trump!") it will be worse then useless, it will be counterproductive.

The Republican Party will never pry suburban wine-moms away from the Democrats. Republicans need to build a coalition without them. Even if it means working with grubby factory workers, truck drivers, and those dreary stay-at-home moms.

Spoiler: They are going to keep chasing suburban women who watch 'The View' for its razor sharp political takes.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (9yUzE)

617 how many of us can make it through another 6 years like the last 6 years ?
Posted by: REDACTED

Well, unless you pull a Fetterman (looking at you JROD) and stroke out, all of us.

We'll be poorer and the country will be a shadow of its former self; but, we will make it.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (/bucq)

618 Where can I cast my 2024 ballot now?

Or even my 2026 ballot?
If I cannot cast them now that is voter suppression.

Posted by: torabora at November 09, 2022 01:16 PM (z0aPa)

619 613 Beto O’Rourke Wastes $160M To Lose Every Race: "An Austin couple gave $2 million to Beto"
Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (RHGPo)

ha-ha. some good news.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 01:16 PM (mnUzy)

620 Kari Lake within 0.6% of the abortion mouse but the count has not changed in hours. Stuck at 66% all day. Crap like this is what feeds the election denial. Count the damn votes!

Posted by: Ripley at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (MxEKc)

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Just like the primary, Maricopa County will not release another updated count until late this afternoon or early this evening.

That will be the tell on how the contests are heading.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 09, 2022 01:16 PM (TNyrE)

621 Kari Lake within 0.6% of the abortion mouse but the count has not changed in hours. Stuck at 66% all day. Crap like this is what feeds the election denial. Count the damn votes!

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There is no honest excuse for that. It only signals something nefarious is trying to be cooked up.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 01:16 PM (sVtYq)

622 But that doesn't explain the swooning for Hobbs.
Posted by: Curly Shuffle

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Lake overplayed her hand and started morphing into Sarah Palin. AZ is just not that state anymore. It was 20 years ago, but not now.

I still love her, but she started getting too MAGA in a now purple state.

We also had weird abortion problems in AZ, we had a 100+ year old law that went into effect when Roe vs Wade was overturned that basically banned 100% of abortions . Judges were saying it had to go into effect and it really scared the shit out of female voters.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (PwNLq)

623 MUH 'BORSHUNS!!!!

Posted by: Wine Mom McAWFL at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (pLSJi)

624 614 Georgia SoS declares need for runoff
Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (RHGPo)

Democrats will throw 6000000 into the race and Warnock will prevail
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (mR6Gs

We haven't had much luck with runoffs in GA

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (bs+z0)

625 If Trump had been a kingmaker yesterday, he looks strong. Now he looks ineffectual, while DeSantis looks great. Heavy D is gonna be the guy, and the sooner that Trump figures that out, the better.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (4QgJj)

I'd worry that Trumps ego will win out over his analysis of the situation.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (FCbAQ)

626 To all those blaming Trump for this and saying he must go, you can go fuck yourselves. You were never Trump supporters you just grifted off him because he won. This is not trumps fault its a mixture of fraud, brainwashed tribal dems, and McConnell and Mccarthy betraying us yet again. Trump 2024

Posted by: Genzconservativist at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (pmoqr)

627 Because the current answer of "cede the race or try to outvote them on election day" is now a two-time (and decades long in OR) failure.

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Charlie Kirk pointed out that the election day strategy was completely telegraphed. The left simply shifts their focus to sabotage ED, meanwhile all their votes arrive in the mail. Hence what happened in Maricopa yesterday.

Americans have proven that they can't have nice things anymore.

Time for paper ballots and purple thumbs.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (1dzqn)

628 Nothing normal about the way AZ went down.

Nothing Fair about how PA Vote has been run these last 2 Elections.

We know what happened in GA and Milwaukee in 2020.

Fraud must be addressed, regardless of outcomes.

Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (swBIN)

629 This is exactly right. Republicans need to alter strategy to push up debates -- which we win -- and expose the democrats for their ideology early.

....

Posted by: TheInverseAgonist at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (x8miG)

We win if they happen. The Dems just stonewalled this year. And apparently that cost them nothing.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (pwExq)

630 And I repeat my assertion from this morning that, though he may have a yuuuuge ego, Trump is not a narcissist.

Narcissist — See one Obama, Barack H.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (DceKn)

631 Beto O’Rourke Wastes $160M To Lose Every Race: "An Austin couple gave $2 million to Beto"
Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (RHGPo)

Oh, it's never wasted. Trust us.

Posted by: Parasitic Political Consultants at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (fY72E)

632 What the lockdowns and last two elections show is that a significant percentage of the people long to live under the heel.
Why? I don't know but perhaps for no other reason than they hope it would give them the right to push the "other" in front of the subway train for bring racist.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (+x9YC)

633 "cannabis-infused turkey gravy"

A ghastly waste of both cannabis and turkey.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (24fqN)

634 Of course, all on the down low. I believe this to be accurate, and I also believe that figure will grow. It is ok, and encouraged, to discriminate against white people. The tentacles are now going to reach past plain old icky white men, and will engulf white women as well.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (sVtYq)
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It's pretty open when you're on the inside. Literal quote from a recent division-wide quarterly meeting:
"It is no longer about getting the best candidate for the job, it's about getting the best candidate for the job who also contributes to our diversity."

Out there all pink and naked for anyone to see. It's going to be bad for me. I knew - I knew several years ago - that my next job will pay less than my current one, and likely have worse hours. I've been planning for that. What I have not been planning for is being unemployable at any price.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (DU+/6)

635 I respectfully disagree.

You must be new here.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (nfrXX)

636 Purge the rolls of the dead and double voters. match the ballot to an ID. you need to change your drivers license to have a scan able unique code, that is scanable in the same image with the ballot code.

It's quite impressive how a few modest vote integrity reforms flipped Ohio and Florida from purple to red and even saved JD Vance from his godawful campaign.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (9yUzE)

637 All Democrats offer is just that. You'll own nothing and be happy, eating drinking sleeping and f*king, and you know what......It sells.
==
Sure. Until somebody tells you the downside. Or if you are a slow learner, you experience the downside for yourself.

The wages of sin is death.

Posted by: But you know that already, buck up, he's on the way back now at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (76CJ/)

638 Third GOP source sees below tweet, texts me “House leadership race will be Lord of the Flies, but with bath salts… And for once the Florida Man is the normal one!”

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (RHGPo)

639 Someone posted last night that the Brazil version of their SCOTUS (I don't remember the details) said it's a crime to question election results and the punishment is a 25 year prison term.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:04 PM (hub+L)

I can't find anything on that.

Posted by: Robert

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Haven't watched/listened, but this was the first search result

https://tinyurl.com/2cexkfho

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (hub+L)

640 if you want to get into a fight, I'll get into it with you.

fuck you with your chamber of commerce talking point. Go back to SUndance with that bullshit.

Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:20 PM

Angry Ace is the Best Ace

I agree. But you forgot Jarevanka

Posted by: Justin Castreau at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (ai2Yq)

641 Has Walker already lost? What's the latest there?

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (sVtYq)

642 All this Trump v. DeSantis talk is juicy, but under the hood, there's a far more pressing issue: Democrats fortified their COVID mass mail-in-voting apparatus. It's a vote-harvesting juggernaut that will continue to produce competitive results no matter the GOP nominee.

This is definitely so. All the red wave stuff happened last two weeks. Pennsylvania and Virginia had already been voting for a month by then.
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 01:11 PM (pwExq)
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Dem's never let a crisis go to waste.

Posted by: WisRich at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (G0vdT)

643 What bothers me the most is the fact that we do not have fair elections. Yes, I know we've always had some corruption (I grew up just outside Chicago, after all), but the willingness on the part of both parties to basically go with this degree of corruption signals doom. I mean, yeah, some fight it, ( I mean people in power or with access to power), but mostly the gope shrugs their shoulders and moves on. And the left wins and continues their war against us mostly unopposed by those who could stand up and make a lot of noise and use everything available to them to, at the very least, slow the corruption. But they don't. We are on a slope that is increasing in degree. Nowhere to do but down unless God intervenes. That's my 2 cents.

Posted by: TecumsehTea-not a resident troll at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (BjGT6)

644 I have said this over and over - if we want to get election security, Republicans need to get good at cheating.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (pwExq)

Yep, said in a different way above. Outfraud the fraudsters.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (yHsuS)

645 And if Trump truly believes this, why would he run again? I wouldn't play in a poker game if I knew it was rigged.
Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:12 PM (PwNLq)

When you're a billionaire, why run at all? Donald Trump clearly thinks all the pain that has happened so far is the price of Jeffersonian patriotism, and if DeSantis wants to take advantage of that persecution (including a grossly illegal FBI raid in the state he governs) then he's lower than whale shit.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (igJSL)

646 Of course, all on the down low. I believe this to be accurate, and I also believe that figure will grow. It is ok, and encouraged, to discriminate against white people. The tentacles are now going to reach past plain old icky white men, and will engulf white women as well.
_____________

Sorry, too busy hunting down folks praying the rosary to deal with this stuff.
- Garland, DOJ (ask me about our 'dark site' prisoner facilities!)

Posted by: Person obsessing over Kari Lake's fitness (for Gov. also) at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (fs1hN)

647 Just my opinion, but I think Trump hurt the Governor race in WI. Rebecca Kleefish, Lt. Gov. under Scott Walker, lost the primary to a really meh candidate - a candidate that Trump backed. He then proceeded to be worse than meh and lost to Evers. I think if Kleefish had been the candidate, she would have knocked off Evers.

Posted by: grammie winger at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (45fpk)

648 Second GOP source sees below tweet, texts me “Knives are out for Kevin McCarthy, if he is under 225, expect Scalise to make a move quickly for speaker”

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (RHGPo)

649 McConnel was the REAL WINNER last night.

Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (swBIN)

650 Do NOT read Mega Mac's tweets unless you want to rage stroke. Kari Lake deserves to lose because no one comes after the McCains. Gawd, I loathe that spoiled, entitled brat.

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In fairness, it's during her father's funeral. And probably also Pride Month.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 09, 2022 01:00 PM

Ms. McCain has announced that this election "is the final nail in Trump's coffin".

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (a3Q+t)

651 Money spent on a campaign is never "wasted". It ain't getting burnt, or shredded. That money all goes into people's pockets. It's not a waste. It's good old fashioned money laundering.

Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (6FeV1)

652 well, the newsom biden wars in 2024 will be entertaining.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (mnUzy)

653 If a post-election analysis is just an excuse for one group to claim their particular hobby-horse ("We lost because of Trump!") it will be worse then useless, it will be counterproductive.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (9yUzE)

This is where we're sitting at today.

Dave in fla did note something that I had been speculating would happen, that Trump support in the working class did not translate to turnout and support when he wasn't on the ballot. That leaves the GOP dead in the water if it can't convert those to reliable voters long-term. If nothing else, running Trump gives you a few years to figure out how to do that.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (eYoxG)

654 It won't stop with Beto. He is just the anti-2nd Amendment candidate de jour.

They won't quit and they're actually after the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: torabora at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (z0aPa)

655 If repubs wanna ever win again they gotta learn to cheat or learn how to hack the dominion hack...

Posted by: Haywood at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (lAfAQ)

656 many of these races are more complicated than they seem. Jamie Hererra Beutler got the boot because she voted for impeachment twice. She barely beat the Dem last time. We gave her the boot to run a more conservative candidate, Joe Kent. And he loses to the Dem. I think it was inevitable that the rural conservative counties would be outvoted by urban Clark County. But we don't know if Jamie could have won this one. Would it have helped to have her R on the House?

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (5HBd1)

657 561 I do not care how bad Oz was as a candidate, no way should Fetterman have won. PA is fucked up beyond belief, there is no hope for them. And just behind them is WI where Barnes came close to winning. Don't get me started on MI, I love MI and we came close to retiring there. So glad we didn't, it is beyond hope as well. How IN and OH remain as red as they are I do not know.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at November 09, 2022 01:09 PM (2NHgQ

I believe somewhere around 1 million mail in ballots were cast, much of them before Fetterman came out of hiding.

Posted by: Tofer732 at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (fatpD)

658 Stuck at 66% all day. Crap like this is what feeds the election denial. Count the damn votes!
Posted by: Ripley at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (MxEKc)

I'm working as fast as I can. *grins*

Posted by: Katie Hobbs at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (v0R5T)

659 and McConnell and Mccarthy betraying us yet again. Trump 2024
Posted by: Genzconservativist at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (pmoqr)

Bingo!

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (AiZBA)

660 Fraud must be addressed, regardless of outcomes.
Posted by: garrett
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I havent seen Trump lift a finger on getting ballot laws changed.

He raised $100 million this cycle, how much did he spend on addressing voter fraud?

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (PwNLq)

661 641 Has Walker already lost? What's the latest there?
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (sVtYq)

It's heading to a Dec 6th runoff.

Posted by: Thrawn at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (Rl7KJ)

662 Looking for silver linings, at least all senate races were close in battleground states. GA is a tie, Pennsylvania was a 3 point loss and looks like Arizona and Nevada will be somewhere around there as well.

I know grasping at straws but sometimes you have to for some sanity.

Posted by: Not Again!! at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (CcLoJ)

663 Lake tweets as expected remaining ballots are breaking BIGLY for her.

Posted by: Hmmm at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (FkWqS)

664 I respectfully disagree.

You must be new here.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (nfrXX)

lol

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (yHsuS)

665 619 613 Beto O’Rourke Wastes $160M To Lose Every Race: "An Austin couple gave $2 million to Beto"
Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (RHGPo)

ha-ha. some good news

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That money will not just vaporize with Beto's loss. It will be funneled to other campaigns and initiatives. This is not "good news."

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (1dzqn)

666 urge the rolls of the dead and double voters. match the ballot to an ID. you need to change your drivers license to have a scan able unique code, that is scanable in the same image with the ballot code.

It's quite impressive how a few modest vote integrity reforms flipped Ohio and Florida from purple to red and even saved JD Vance from his godawful campaign.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo
==
This is my soapbox. And I will NOT get off it today.

Vance was a weak ass candidate. The other repub primary opponents were weak ass too. Trump put him over the top. T.R.U.M.P.

Posted by: But you know that already, buck up, he's on the way back now at November 09, 2022 01:20 PM (QX/17)

667 Thing is the money spent in the Beto race was not wasted - sure it represents some opportunity cost against what might have been spent elsewhere. But it keeps the Dem-Media complex going. That money was spent mostly on ad buys to media companies.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 01:20 PM (pwExq)

668 Soon.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 01:20 PM (yHsuS)

669 63 ...the exodus from the blue states may very well be made up of exactly the sort of voter who could have contributed to a red wave...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 09, 2022 12:22 PM (XIJ/X)

...i honestly think eventually we will break up as a country along these lines.
Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 12:25 PM (mnUzy)

Clearly, blue states are being drained of economic resources, general brainpower and implicit productivity, as the productive seek better environs. They won't be able to sustain these losses for long without serious change occurring.

Will it cause the republic break up? I don't know. At this point I don't think I care. As it now stands, the Bill of Rights and the Rule of Law do not equally apply to all. As such, the republic is not fit for its intended purpose, and it cannot stand (structurally speaking), regardless of how one may feel about its continued survival.

"Be not unequally yoked to a non-believer."

If that doesn't describe us now, I have nothing further.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 09, 2022 01:20 PM (MkuC5)

670 I hate to say it, but the longer this drags on in AZ the less chance Lake has of winning. The election will slowly be stolen if it hasn't been already. And sadly, Walker will lose any runoff.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 01:20 PM (iFTx/)

671 Ms. McCain has announced that this election "is the final nail in Trump's coffin".
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (a3Q+t)

Yeah, well they'll need lag bolts to keep the lid shut the lid on that fatty boombalatty's pine box.

Posted by: Waraiotoko at November 09, 2022 01:20 PM (6FeV1)

672 551 526 Good News: Soros Wasted $2.5M on Stacey Abrams, $1M on Beto

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Did he? Or were those merely passthroughs? How much money flowed from those campaigns to help stop the bleeding in other races, or to support ballot initiatives?
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When Democrats "pay", the money goes to other Democrats.

Posted by: ... at November 09, 2022 01:21 PM (ghx4b)

673 how many of us can make it through another 6 years like the last 6 years ?
Posted by: REDACTED at November 09, 2022 01:01 PM (us2H3)

Many things we can do.
Live as well as you choose. That really annoys liberals.
Review the writing of Ghandi and ML King. Determine how you can employ civil disobedience.
Learn how to become ungovernable.
Prepare for the inevitable audits from the guv'mint.
Don't take any shit from the libs. Laugh at them.
They hate that.
Keep each other strong.
And as Weasel would say...buy ammo and get to the range.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2022 01:21 PM (anj39)

674 My view is Democrats will still hang themselves someday.

Posted by: Skip's phone at November 09, 2022 01:21 PM (8hzro)

675 Trump will be 80 in 2024. I love the guy, but I just don't see that happening.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at November 09, 2022 01:21 PM (UuD2k)

676 The voters of Uvalde County soundly rejected Texas Democrat gubernatorial candidate Robert Francis “Beto” O’Rourke Tuesday despite making the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School a central theme of his campaign.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott soundly carried Uvalde County with a margin of victory of nearly 22 points. Abbott received 4,760 of the 7,909 votes reported by the Texas Secretary of State. O’Rourke managed only to receive 3,031 votes.

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:21 PM (RHGPo)

677 >>I havent seen Trump lift a finger on getting ballot laws changed.

Who said anything about Trump?

Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2022 01:21 PM (swBIN)

678 If the Republicans were smart they would set a honey trap for Newsom.

But they're not.

Posted by: torabora at November 09, 2022 01:21 PM (z0aPa)

679
It's a beautiful sunny day in my AO, will be seeing my g-babies this weekend, and I had no expectations about anything yesterday, thus, no lousy feelings.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at November 09, 2022 01:14 PM (8iUlO)

Yup. My expectations were "the Dems will win by vote fraud," or "the fraud won't be enough, and the Dems will win by falling back behind their GOP bulwark."

When you see the political situation in this country for what it is, it stops mattering to you. There is no "winning," and there is no "we," at least politically. Just a regime and its subjects.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 09, 2022 01:21 PM (oINRc)

680 This reminds me somewhat of what Ace wrote the day after the 2012 elections.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 09, 2022 01:21 PM (ddFzi)

681 I hate to say it, but the longer this drags on in AZ the less chance Lake has of winning.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 01:20 PM (iFTx/)

That is my sneaking suspicion. It is a well-traveled path. I choose to have the opportunity to be pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (yHsuS)

682 "the longer this drags on in AZ the less chance Lake has of winning."

What does she do if she loses? She burned bridges for this.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (24fqN)

683 I still love her, but she started getting too MAGA in a now purple state.

We also had weird abortion problems in AZ

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (PwNLq)

Thanks for providing supporting evidence that "Trumpism without Trump" is a step back to the same deceit on abortion and culture that Bush-era Republicans constantly indulged in. The people who most want to get rid of Trump really want to get rid of his policies.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (igJSL)

684 I don''t know how anybody in PA can hold their head up high knowing that The Lump is the face of the state.

For shame!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (geVLo)

685 616
If a post-election analysis is just an excuse for one group to claim their particular hobby-horse ("We lost because of Trump!") it will be worse then useless, it will be counterproductive.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo
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Post-election analysis is a big wank; it's just everyone confirming their priors: "We were too conservative" vs. "We were not conservative enough." Blah blah blah. It's just some butthole's opinion. I have opinions; calling them a Post Election Postmortem doesn't make them any smarter.

What actually changes things is when someone comes along with the right message at the right time. In 2012, no one that I can think of was predicting that the GOP go as hard-populist as it did. But it worked. And it worked because we had an open primary where Trump could try to sell that message.

I don't know what the winning message will look like in 2024. It might have to do with a weak economy, because inflation is here and a big recession is coming. But there's no way to know for sure what the winning message will be.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (4QgJj)

686 I look at Stacy Abrams teeth and I don't know whether to kick a field goal or recommend a dentist.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (eacmp)

687 I still love her, but she started getting too MAGA in a now purple state.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (PwNLq)

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That and the GOPe/McCain wing sat on the sidelines and did nothing to help the Republican slate of candidates. But we ardent conservatives were always supposed to get behind the likes of McCain & Flake, because muh party first.

Apparently AZ needs to get in on the "good and hard" follies that other purple/blue states are enjoying. Sucks to have to go along for the ride when it could have been avoided.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (TNyrE)

688 With my work associates family, and friends I give no quarter anymore to be cordial when I hear the bleatings coming from some of them regarding how wonderful the Biden's junta is going for America. This means cutting out quite a portion of people in my life who previously, to keep the peace, I would change the subject if it came to politics, but no more. I realize that a lot of you did this already and I'm late to the game. You want to demonize me? War. You want this nation to devolve into Communism and misery? War. A co-worker who sits across from me was talking to another co-worker this morning gloating over the election Democrat wins and I reported her as speaking of politics is strictly verboten. She has been admonished by her Supervisor. I know this as she couldn't help coming back to her cubicle and complaining about it to another co-worker. Stupid bint. Like we couldn't hear that too?

Like the late, great Andrew Breitbart said: "Fuck you. war."

Posted by: Cheri at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (oiNtH)

689 havent seen Trump lift a finger on getting ballot laws changed.

He raised $100 million this cycle, how much did he spend on addressing voter fraud?
Posted by: Blago a
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Broken record. As you have already been schooled countless times. Its a state problem. It has to be fixed by the state. You need an ass kicker SOS, support in the statehouse and governors mansion and about 8 years.

Posted by: But you know that already at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (sxqUH)

690 Who said anything about Trump?

Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2022 01:21 PM (swBIN)

Oops.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (yHsuS)

691 If a post-election analysis is just an excuse for one group to claim their particular hobby-horse ("We lost because of Trump!") it will be worse then useless, it will be counterproductive.

This is all a post-mortem ever is. Notice how the same commenters who had soured on Trump well before this are now positive that this vindicates them? When you're a hammer, everything is a nail.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (ppBhU)

692 Good News: Soros Wasted $2.5M on Stacey Abrams, $1M on Beto

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That's like me losing a nickel.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (hub+L)

693 "It is no longer about getting the best candidate for the job, it's about getting the best candidate for the job who also contributes to our diversity."

--

Boy, is that already being reflected in any print or broadcast ads. It absolutely amazes me how increasingly rare it is to see white people in advertising. Either on the television or in the myriad catalogs that hit my mailbox. All big companies are in on it. It's extraordinary if you pay attention. Then again, yesterday's news showed whites are down to only 58% in this country. That's considerably less than what even my lowball figure was bouncing around in my head.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (sVtYq)

694 I hate to say it, but the longer this drags on in AZ the less chance Lake has of winning.

Aw c'mon. I'm counting the ballots fairly.

Posted by: Katie Hobbs at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (v0R5T)

695 McConnel was the REAL WINNER last night.

Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (swBIN)

This guy gets it

Posted by: ... at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (ghx4b)

696 And if Trump truly believes this, why would he run again? I wouldn't play in a poker game if I knew it was rigged.

Well look at his life and what he's accomplished, his ego tells him that he can pull it off despite the fraud.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (Ivdso)

697 My diagnoses? PA has Lumpus.

Posted by: Dr House at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (oTZbj)

698 >>>611 A recent survey of 1,000 hiring managers in the United States found that one in six, or about 16%, have been told to stop hiring white men. Additionally, 14% of hiring managers said they have also been told to deprioritize hiring white women.

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My wife, who's a Director in a large health insurance company has been told they may not hire any white males from outside the org without approval from the VP.

Posted by: Turn two at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (JfxgE)

699 But there's no way to know for sure what the winning message will be.
==
A La Lanterne!!!

Posted by: A modest proposal at November 09, 2022 01:24 PM (sxqUH)

700 Who is Kari Prairie Lake Fire?

And why is anybody paying $8lbs for chicken breast. We wait for the Publix sale for 1.99lbs chicken breast and buy in bulk. That ole bastard Publix has never has chicken dip below 4.99lbs.

Posted by: Ground Jive Turkey at November 09, 2022 01:24 PM (qu6IK)

701 Russia announces retreat from Kherson, Kremlin-installed leader dies in an accident

You get a taste of the Russian army's culture of ass-kissing and telling the boss everything's going great from Surovikin's speech.

He claims Russia is "successfully resisting all of the Ukrainian armed forces' attempts to attack near Kherson" – then says they have to retreat!

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:24 PM (RHGPo)

702 698 >>>611 A recent survey of 1,000 hiring managers in the United States found that one in six, or about 16%, have been told to stop hiring white men. Additionally, 14% of hiring managers said they have also been told to deprioritize hiring white women.

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My wife, who's a Director in a large health insurance company has been told they may not hire any white males from outside the org without approval from the VP.
Posted by: Turn two at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (JfxgE)

To align with their ESG goals I reckon.

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 01:24 PM (mnUzy)

703 I look at Stacy Abrams teeth and I don't know whether to kick a field goal or recommend a dentist.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (eacmp)
.........

I always practice whistling.

Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 01:24 PM (v0R5T)

704 "This means cutting out quite a portion of people in my life who previously, to keep the peace, I would change the subject if it came to politics, but no more."

I went full hermit beginning Sep 2019. Dealing with people just not worth the hassle.

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 01:24 PM (24fqN)

705 571. Agree. Michigan voters just approved 8 days of early voting in addition to drop boxes and a guaranteed right to vote in the state constitution. Only election officials can challenge an election and state canvassers MUST certify elections based on vote totals even if the election totals include fraudulent votes. Kind of sealed election fate here.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 09, 2022 01:24 PM (m/zX3)

706 Second GOP source sees below tweet, texts me “Knives are out for Kevin McCarthy, if he is under 225,....

Me: yes?!?, yes!?!

....expect Scalise to make a move quickly for speaker”

Me: oh well.

Posted by: Person still obsessing over Kari Lake's fitness (for Gov. also) at November 09, 2022 01:24 PM (fs1hN)

707 but under the hood, there's a far more pressing issue: Democrats fortified their COVID mass mail-in-voting apparatus. It's a vote-harvesting juggernaut that will continue to produce competitive results no matter the GOP nominee.

This is definitely so. All the red wave stuff happened last two weeks. Pennsylvania and Virginia had already been voting for a month by then.
Posted by: blaster

This is one reason why we should go back to all in-person, election day voting, IMO. Things can happen in the final days/weeks that could change peoples minds. If we are to have early voting why not 3 months out. Or 6 month? It is a system designed to be manipulated.

Posted by: Ripley at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (MxEKc)

708 Of course, all on the down low. I believe this to be accurate, and I also believe that figure will grow. It is ok, and encouraged, to discriminate against white people. The tentacles are now going to reach past plain old icky white men, and will engulf white women as well.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 09, 2022 01:15 PM (sVtYq)

Assuming the truth of what you heard, until that reality becomes too much for white women to ignore, they will continue to double down on their hatred of white men so as to differentiate themselves.
Too late will be the knowledge that in some wars your skin is your uniform.
Bashing white men will be their defense mechanism just like white liberals admit racism is rampant but they're not one of them. It's those other "icky" whites.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (FCbAQ)

709 My diagnoses? PA has Lumpus.

Posted by: Dr House at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (oTZbj)

It's never lumpus.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (yHsuS)

710 691 'If a post-election analysis is just an excuse for one group to claim their particular hobby-horse ("We lost because of Trump!") it will be worse then useless, it will be counterproductive."

This is all a post-mortem ever is. Notice how the same commenters who had soured on Trump well before this are now positive that this vindicates them? When you're a hammer, everything is a nail.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at November 09, 2022 01:23 PM (ppBhU)

"Hey Trump should play kingmaker." -moveon from Trump crowd before
"Trump is an awful kingmaker." -moveon from Trump crowd now

Funny thing is pro-Trump people didn't want him playing that role in general.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (eYoxG)

711 I hate to say it, but the longer this drags on in AZ the less chance Lake has of winning.

Maybe people have forgotten what happened in 2018, when like 6 Republican "winners" lost in later counting because TOTALLY NO FRAUD.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (Ivdso)

712 Trooof, sorry for my pedantry upthread.

I’ve been called out on factual faux-pas on this site as well.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (DceKn)

713 Would help if our GOTV consisted of more than email spam and robocalls.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (5HBd1)

714 How come the person responsible for counting the votes is on the ballot, especially for a different office?

Posted by: torabora at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (z0aPa)

715 The rumor about McCarthy was shot down by Scalise, so to speak, last time it came out.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (eacmp)

716 That leaves the GOP dead in the water if it can't convert those to reliable voters long-term. If nothing else, running Trump gives you a few years to figure out how to do that.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 01:19 PM (eYoxG)

The number of major celebrities who could make that pull while masquerading with traditional values is very small. Tom Cruise might be able to do it in the wake of the second Top Gun, but his Scientology issues will likely stop that. Chris Pratt is a decent headliner, yet the fact I have to dig this deep shows that very few Republicans are even at the Reagan standard, let alone the capability of driving a movement that Trump had.

Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (igJSL)

717 Stupid bint. Like we couldn't hear that too? Like the late, great Andrew Breitbart said: "Fuck you. war."
Posted by: Cheri at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (oiNtH)

Nice! I enjoyed reading that.

Report her again. Do it Jackass style. Lawfare. Make the process the punishment.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (MkuC5)

718 Commander Bearclaw lost his lawsuit yesterday. A judge tossed it out. The poor rollypolly will have to make do with his never ending series of big money sinecures.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (0fVbu)

719 715 The rumor about McCarthy was shot down by Scalise, so to speak, last time it came out.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (eacmp)

Scalise sucks too

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (bs+z0)

720 This is one reason why we should go back to all in-person, election day voting, IMO. Things can happen in the final days/weeks that could change peoples minds. If we are to have early voting why not 3 months out. Or 6 month? It is a system designed to be manipulated.
Posted by: Ripley at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (MxEKc)

I agree. Except absolutely ZERO chance of that happening.

So, that means Republicans need to get good at manipulating that system.

Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (pwExq)

721 McConnel was the REAL WINNER last night.
Posted by: garrett

Taking cruelty lessons from the boss again I see.

Posted by: DaveA at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (FhXTo)

722 Some interesting dynamics are developing within the Republicans right now against Speaker McCarthy, essentially laying the red wave death at his doorstep and criticizing his victory lap speech that he took late last night.

Ther might be a cathartic bloodletting if the Reps don't take the house after all...

Posted by: Boswell at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (+Cgut)

723 Hey Trump should play kingmaker." -moveon from Trump crowd before
"Trump is an awful kingmaker." -moveon from Trump crowd now

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (eYoxG)

Well observed as usual

Posted by: ... at November 09, 2022 01:27 PM (ghx4b)

724 Republicans literally have no message other than Dems bad and socialism.
* Narrator's Voice *
It's because their message is the same.

Posted by: Ground Jive Turkey at November 09, 2022 01:27 PM (qu6IK)

725 If the Republicans were smart they would set a honey trap for Newsom.
________

We're on it.

Posted by: Chinese Communist Party at November 09, 2022 01:27 PM (fs1hN)

726 722 Some interesting dynamics are developing within the Republicans right now against Speaker McCarthy, essentially laying the red wave death at his doorstep and criticizing his victory lap speech that he took late last night.

Ther might be a cathartic bloodletting if the Reps don't take the house after all...
Posted by: Boswell at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (+Cgut)

I don't mind that. Reddening the party is important and hopefully that can happen.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 01:27 PM (eYoxG)

727 >>My wife, who's a Director in a large health insurance company has been told they may not hire any white males from outside the org without approval from the VP.

Racism. Straight up.

I'll let you in on a little secret they won't advertise...

the Affirmative Action and Diversity Hires are all rising to the positions where there isn't anyone left to cover for them.
Most are moving sideways to other corps...but increasingly, they are quitting out of shear panic.

It's a bubble of a different sort, but it is gonna pop.

Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2022 01:28 PM (swBIN)

728 Scalise is lousy as well?? who would be a good speaker?

Posted by: IC - #FJB at November 09, 2022 01:28 PM (mnUzy)

729 essentially laying the red wave death at his doorstep

Yeah he should pay any price for a GOP weak win or loss because he's the man in charge, he's the money maker, and he's the guy who decides strategy. If this fails its all on him.

Problem is, the next guy to replace him will be just as bad.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:28 PM (Ivdso)

730 I'll admit I'm pissed at Trump... I should be pissed at the voters

Posted by: It's me donna at November 09, 2022 01:28 PM (bs+z0)

731 702 The lawsuits will be epic.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 09, 2022 01:28 PM (MkuC5)

732 Stupid bint. Like we couldn't hear that too? Like the late, great Andrew Breitbart said: "Fuck you. war."
Posted by: Cheri at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (oiNtH)

Nice! I enjoyed reading that.

Report her again. Do it Jackass style. Lawfare. Make the process the punishment.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (MkuC5)

This x11!!

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 01:28 PM (yHsuS)

733 "It looks like, at least, the GOP will take the house. I think. It's hard to find anyone really saying. In which case, we get effectively the best we could have hoped for, even in a wave: a veto on the craziest and stupidest legislation. Deadlock. A moratorium on dumb spending. It doesn't really matter the margin, and the way to rethink the election is that EVEN AFTER Roe V. Wade was overturned, the GOP gained seats in the house. Florida and Texas are now redder. The country is beginning to pull apart into more politically aligned regions. This is ultimately the future, I think. America is not one nation, it's two nations. I think people are still in denial about that."

@Bevel Lemelis, best analysis I've seen on the election postmortem. Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 09, 2022 01:28 PM (7B5FA)

734 I thought the polls under reported idiots 18 - 30 who need them abortions and who are idiots. If they like inflation and getting raped in public they're in for a lovely 2 years.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 09, 2022 01:28 PM (lm3XL)

735 I hate to say it, but the longer this drags on in AZ the less chance Lake has of winning.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 09, 2022 01:20 PM (iFTx/)

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This is playing out the same way Nov. 2020 and the this year's primary took place. All Republican candidates have improved in Maricopa compared to the first dump of results last night.

This pattern it likely to continue, based on those results being the earliest of the early voting. Mail in votes dropped off on Election Day, along with actual votes cast on Election Day, will dominate the results that are dumped from now until they are done.

I hate it. This process has regressed horribly. But, it is what it is.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 09, 2022 01:28 PM (TNyrE)

736 How come the person responsible for counting the votes is on the ballot, especially for a different office?
Posted by: torabora at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (z0aPa)

Tee hee.

Posted by: Katie Hobbs at November 09, 2022 01:29 PM (v0R5T)

737 715 The rumor about McCarthy was shot down by Scalise, so to speak, last time it came out.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 01:26 PM (eacmp)

That was a staffer. Scalise is 100% in the mix unless a deal is done.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 09, 2022 01:29 PM (CQ3Qb)

738 My wife, who's a Director in a large health insurance company has been told they may not hire any white males from outside the org without approval from the VP.

--

So wait, then who does the job when the person it's assigned to screws it up badly the first time, is allowed to remain with the company, and never asked to do anything challenging ever again?

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:29 PM (hub+L)

739 My diagnoses? PA has Lumpus.

Posted by: Dr House

The Mumps.

Posted by: Ground Jive Turkey at November 09, 2022 01:29 PM (qu6IK)

740 You actually think candidates matter? That's so cute. That's so 2004. Just adorable.

How long does it take to get it? The candidates DON'T MATTER.

It wouldn't matter if Fetterman walked around slapping voters in the face with his crank.

It's pure machine politics. Dems got got overconfident and slack in 2016. That will NEVER happen again.

Ditch Trump? Doesn't matter. Run DeSantis? Doesn't matter. There is LITERALLY NO Democratic candidate that will not win. NONE. Biden, Hobbs, Fetterman never came out of the basement BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. Electing a turnip is the POINT.

Jeezuz, they bragged about it in Time magazine!

If you think for one G*****n second that Gavin Newsome won't beat DeSantis JUST. LIKE. THIS. You are seriously delusional. The Dems know where the votes are and how to get them. This will not change. Unless and until the Republicans start identifying where THEIR Votes are and start banking THOSE a month before Election Day, it's just going to be Groundhog Election Day after Groundhog Election Day.

How many "Red Mirages" do you have to have?

Like it, hate it. Doesn't matter. This is what it is now.
Get in the game or quit bitching.

Posted by: FOMSG at November 09, 2022 01:29 PM (go1Uo)

741 Republicans literally have no message other than Dems bad and socialism.

They hit the economy pretty hard in ads. I'm not convinced there's ever been a political ad that changed anybody's mind, but there you are.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:29 PM (Ivdso)

742 Hey Trump should play kingmaker." -moveon from Trump crowd before
"Trump is an awful kingmaker." -moveon from Trump crowd now

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (eYoxG)

Well observed as usual

Posted by: ... at November 09, 2022 01:27 PM (ghx4b)

lol

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 01:29 PM (yHsuS)

743 Broken record. As you have already been schooled countless times. Its a state problem. It has to be fixed by the state. You need an ass kicker SOS, support in the statehouse and governors mansion and about 8 years.
Posted by: But you know that already

Hold my beer - Florida.

Posted by: Cheri at November 09, 2022 01:30 PM (oiNtH)

744 " That left us with awkward choices and Barnette didn't look competitive until well after the endorsement and pretty late in the contest. Not ideal all around but not exactly something that was caused by serious error."
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

that is probably the right analysis, but I'm saying we should not say PA is Lost based on this outcome. How would a strong MAGA candidate have done? (and if we get a crash in markets, or $6 gas, or whatever, that might change more minds ... so far life is mostly good still.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2022 01:30 PM (Cus5s)

745 DailyMail: 'Joe was centered on the returns in the family coffers.' Whistleblower claims Hunter and then-VP Biden were part of a group call to discuss online gambling venture in Latin America - the president talking like he was chairman of the board

Posted by: SMOD at November 09, 2022 01:30 PM (RHGPo)

746 essentially laying the red wave death at his doorstep

Yeah he should pay any price for a GOP weak win or loss because he's the man in charge, he's the money maker, and he's the guy who decides strategy. If this fails its all on him.

Problem is, the next guy to replace him will be just as bad.
==
But the good news for the next guy is . . . I'll have a vacancy!!!!

Posted by: Frank Luntz at November 09, 2022 01:30 PM (vzEII)

747 >>> Brian in New Orleans

What did you clear on your Dominion options, My Dude.

Posted by: Ground Jive Turkey at November 09, 2022 01:31 PM (qu6IK)

748 One of my thoughts here this afternoon is that if abortion is what truly swung this election, we got a problem, Houston.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at November 09, 2022 01:31 PM (Xrfse)

749 How long does it take to get it? The candidates DON'T MATTER.

It wouldn't matter if Fetterman walked around slapping voters in the face with his crank.

It's pure machine politics. Dems got got overconfident and slack in 2016. That will NEVER happen again.

Ditch Trump? Doesn't matter. Run DeSantis? Doesn't matter. There is LITERALLY NO Democratic candidate that will not win. NONE. Biden, Hobbs, Fetterman never came out of the basement BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. Electing a turnip is the POINT.

Jeezuz, they bragged about it in Time magazine!

If you think for one G*****n second that Gavin Newsome won't beat DeSantis JUST. LIKE. THIS. You are seriously delusional. The Dems know where the votes are and how to get them. This will not change. Unless and until the Republicans start identifying where THEIR Votes are and start banking THOSE a month before Election Day, it's just going to be Groundhog Election Day after Groundhog Election Day.

How many "Red Mirages" do you have to have?

Like it, hate it. Doesn't matter. This is what it is now.
Get in the game or quit bitching.

Posted by: FOMSG at November 09, 2022 01:29 PM (go1Uo)

Newsletter!

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 09, 2022 01:31 PM (yHsuS)

750 If the Republicans were smart they would set a honey trap for Newsom.
.......

or a grease fire on his head.

Posted by: wth at November 09, 2022 01:31 PM (v0R5T)

751 Nood Hope

Posted by: toby928 at November 09, 2022 01:31 PM (yQpMk)

752 nood

Posted by: gp Embraces The Suck at November 09, 2022 01:31 PM (24fqN)

753 Nood - Red dribble keeps dribblin' in...

Posted by: Thrawn at November 09, 2022 01:31 PM (Rl7KJ)

754 625 If Trump had been a kingmaker yesterday, he looks strong. Now he looks ineffectual, while DeSantis looks great. Heavy D is gonna be the guy, and the sooner that Trump figures that out, the better.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 12:59 PM (4QgJj)

I'd worry that Trumps ego will win out over his analysis of the situation.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 09, 2022 01:17 PM (FCbAQ)
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Don't kid yourselves. DeSantis endorsed Joe O'Dea here in CO...did NOTHING. If Trump is the devil here in CO, DeSantis is viewed as a demon.

Posted by: MattyCO at November 09, 2022 01:31 PM (7DHQv)

755 Broken record. As you have already been schooled countless times. Its a state problem. It has to be fixed by the state. You need an ass kicker SOS, support in the statehouse and governors mansion and about 8 years.

Posted by: But you know that already at November 09, 2022 01:22 PM (sxqUH)
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Oh horseshit, Trump is sitting on over $100M.

What did Zuckerberg do with that? I tell you what, he'd give it to groups that Steve Bannon would throw darts at and make a tangible difference in targeting and getting voters out.

What did Trump do? Nothing substantively helpful this cycle, he's single handedly responsible for pushing candidates from PA to WI and IL that were substantively weaker while his rhetoric is off-putting to the center and fueled that demented fuck Biden's 2020 rhetoric that fired up the crazies on the left.

But he still has $100M that he can use to torch the next generation of Republican leaders with to try and run again. Which, will make you happy, I'm sure.

Posted by: TheInverseAgonist at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (x8miG)

756 @641

>>Has Walker already lost? What's the latest there?

Going to a runoff.

FOX interviewed some snot nosed twerp who said he voted for Kemp but didn't vote for Walker because reasons.

This is the kind of retarded shit we are up against.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (MDmJR)

757 Look who has, and is currently, funding each & every one of their campaigns. It's all there in a decent search, including the alleged dark money.

The Hyde Amendment, Medicare expansion and Medicare for All - what's on the plate for even the most moderates. They have their out, FJB has the opening to pretend to moderation, while already prepping for the next presidential campaign.

AP article, today: Times, they are a changing'
For Biden, midterm results likely to force big shakeup.
In part, "Biden, in his first two years, pushed through sweeping bills to address the Coronavirus pandemic, rebuild the nation's infrastructure, address climate change, and boost the nation's competitiveness over China - all with the slimmest of congressional majorities. Now, aides and allies say, his focus will turn to preserving those gains, implementing the massive pieces of legislation - perhaps while under intense GOP oversight - sustaining effective governance in an even more charged environment, and shoring up his party's standing ahead of the next presidential election."

Posted by: Lola at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (NIYa7)

758 If it's gonna be "Fuck You. War."

Then you best get to winning it. And using the tactics that won for last time ain't gonna cut it.

Posted by: FOMSG at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (go1Uo)

759 Another thought - Leftists can lie to pollsters too. I know more than a few "moderates" who are about as close to the center as Bernie Sanders.

And don't forget that the Left has VAST machinery in place. They have been working overtime. They expected to lose some races, so they focused on where it counted.

It's time to realize we have our own bubbles and our own echo chambers, and that taking back a Republic wasn't going to happen in one or two election cycles.

Remember that?

Posted by: McLurkerson at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (wNDOJ)

760 Why would anyone believe any Exit Polling ever published?

Exit Polling makes actual Polling look like hard Science.

Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (swBIN)

761 I mentioned this earlier. Any change in the House GOP leadership is just replacing one useless cog with another. No one currently in any leadership position should be rewarded for their ineptitude.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (qH6FZ)

762 If the Republicans were smart they would set a honey trap for Newsom.

The fact they don't have a dirty tricks dept doing this stuff already is kind of surprising. I've no doubt the dems do, using a few cut-outs for denability.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (anj39)

763 Get in the game or quit bitching.

Get in what game, you just laid out why running for office is pointless. And why voting is pointless. What game exactly are we going to get into?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (Ivdso)

764 So wait, then who does the job when the person it's assigned to screws it up badly the first time, is allowed to remain with the company, and never asked to do anything challenging ever again?
Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:29 PM (hub+L)

As I stated up thread, Blue America can't afford to hemorrhage brains for very long before All The Things start to break.

More popcorn.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (MkuC5)

765 Are we still gloating?

https://youtu.be/4WwJ6OVSwkM?t=3

Posted by: Dr. Bone at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (geVLo)

766 747 >>> Brian in New Orleans

What did you clear on your Dominion options, My Dude.

Posted by: Ground Jive Turkey at November 09, 2022 01:31 PM (qu6IK)

Not enough apparently.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (CQ3Qb)

767 Honey trap? They elected a brain damaged, entitled, moron in Pennsylvania, it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (lm3XL)

768 Here's something you can also learn from this election. The polls were lies leading up to the election, and then shifted as they got closer to favor the GOP. That wasn't because they were inaccurate, it was just another lie position. And because we didn't beat this illusory goalpost we are now bitter and attacking our own side.

You can't trust the polls, any polls, either due to enemy action or the electorate isn't telling the truth or both. All of the numbers are just smoke.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 09, 2022 01:33 PM (eoQWY)

769 "yesterday's news showed whites are down to only 58% in this country"

Only if you don't count Hispanics as white.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 09, 2022 01:34 PM (7B5FA)

770 Haven't watched/listened, but this was the first search result

https://tinyurl.com/2cexkfho
Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:18 PM (hub+L)

Okay, so the gist of it is that officials and some judges are leaning on social media to take down posts and videos questioning the election results. In a separate instance, Tucker mentions some dudes went to jail for BS reasons months prior to the election. Mostly it's just about the Biden Administration strong arming the Brazilians. Nothing at all about the Brazilian Supreme Court declaring any amount of jail time for anything.

I think that dude last night was getting a bit over the top.

Posted by: Robert at November 09, 2022 01:34 PM (QlwaT)

771 730 I'll admit I'm pissed at Trump... I should be pissed at the voters

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The results of last night don't change the basic reality of Trump.

Win or lose, he's still a giant putz who needs to step off the stage and make room for the next generation of leadership. Just like every other boomer in politics and business. The world does not actually revolve around them, despite what they think.

We've all suffered from the narcissism of boomers for far too long.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 01:34 PM (1dzqn)

772 I hope all the disappointed domestic terrorist school board moms don't go out and burn all the blue cities in protest.

Posted by: Ironwood at November 09, 2022 01:34 PM (6YMId)

773 Honey trap? They elected a brain damaged, entitled, moron in Pennsylvania, it doesn't matter.
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 09, 2022 01:32 PM (lm3XL)

Quite the victory for them! Less so for any citizen of the state who thinks their needs will be addressed.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 09, 2022 01:34 PM (eoQWY)

774 Ace, you make me hard when you talk like this. Good job. Oh, the NAZI soldiers weren't 10 feet tall but they were the best at what they did. The Brits knew this as did we. You only win when you find a way to beat the best. Let's plan on our Super Bowl in 2024. Lets also have a plan to kneecap Mail In Balloting.

Posted by: Puddinhead at November 09, 2022 01:34 PM (kn9u9)

775 One of my thoughts here this afternoon is that if abortion is what truly swung this election, we got a problem, Houston.
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No. See Bevel L. above. Despite Roe being overturned we picked up seats, took house and may still get senate. Also, three states got redder probably because their voting laws got cleaned up. Ohio Florida and Texas. This. Is. The. Way.

Posted by: soapbox at November 09, 2022 01:34 PM (47T9y)

776 767 Honey trap? They elected a brain damaged, entitled, moron in Pennsylvania, it doesn't matter.

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yeah, don't want to hear about our guy was weak.

I also don't want to hear about how the polls showed Oz up by 4.

What's up with that?

I thought people put biden in the lowest approval rating ever. I don't get the basically pro-biden outcome.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 09, 2022 01:35 PM (MLrvz)

777 One of the worst things Republicans did was tell Republicans not to vote early. Its a bad strategy on two fronts. Obviously you gamble on people showing up in one day vs banking the votes early. The other is spending extra time and effort to contact voters with GOTV efforts. Calling voters repeatedly takes time and money that could be used elsewhere if more voters were a guaranteed vote via early voting or mail in.

Posted by: Not Again!! at November 09, 2022 01:35 PM (CcLoJ)

778 So to just keep score, there's two tribes that have different opinions on why tonight went down the way it did.

Tribe A

1) abortion was a bigger issue
2) bad candidates that Trump made the nominees

Tribe B

1) voter fraud
2) voter fraud
3) voter fraud
4) Dominion voting machines
5) Not sufficiently pro-Trump

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:35 PM (PwNLq)

779 Don't do anything rash after an emotional event in ones life. It just makes it worse.
Now excuse me, I need to go pay off some bets.

Posted by: Some Rat at November 09, 2022 01:35 PM (r1z5A)

780 758 If it's gonna be "Fuck You. War."

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Who killed Breitbart?

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 01:35 PM (1dzqn)

781 @740 FOMSG-I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately this place isn't your neck of the woods with that kind of talk. You're a "doomscroller/black piller".

Posted by: JROD at November 09, 2022 01:35 PM (0jZnq)

782 Out there all pink and naked for anyone to see. It's going to be bad for me. I knew - I knew several years ago - that my next job will pay less than my current one, and likely have worse hours. I've been planning for that. What I have not been planning for is being unemployable at any price.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Someone has to do the work, Honkie.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 09, 2022 01:36 PM (+x9YC)

783 Nothing at all about the Brazilian Supreme Court declaring any amount of jail time for anything.

I think that dude last night was getting a bit over the top.

Posted by: Robert

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Found some tik-tok links (well, re-posted on youtube because I don't use the other) stating the 25 year jail time claim, too, but no official news sources. I wonder if thats connected.

https://tinyurl.com/23xl2slr

We certainly are living in interesting times.

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:36 PM (hub+L)

784 BTW, how's that strategic oil reserve?

gas prices gonna hit $10 in 2 weeks.

Posted by: sockamster, Aos ShowRunner at November 09, 2022 01:36 PM (MLrvz)

785 777 One of the worst things Republicans did was tell Republicans not to vote early. Its a bad strategy on two fronts. Obviously you gamble on people showing up in one day vs banking the votes early. The other is spending extra time and effort to contact voters with GOTV efforts. Calling voters repeatedly takes time and money that could be used elsewhere if more voters were a guaranteed vote via early voting or mail in.

Posted by: Not Again!! at November 09, 2022 01:35 PM (CcLoJ)

But the machines are rigged dontchyaknow! The gist that just keeps on giving....

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at November 09, 2022 01:36 PM (CQ3Qb)

786 No point in doing recriminations while there is no faith in elections. I feel like other than a couple of states that made corrections, there has been no serious attempt to fix the mile wide loopholes that the Dems have engineered. There's no way with 73% of people not happy with the direction of the county that there wasnt massive fraud involved.

I'm hoping with the democrat in Orlando coming forward recently with the ballet harvesting disenfranchisement allegations that it can used to start routing out the groups and $ involved in that scheme nationwide, since it has to be the same in other large cities.

Posted by: specialkayel at November 09, 2022 01:36 PM (twET8)

787 Brian in New Orleans
What did you clear on your Dominion options, My Dude.
Posted by: Ground Jive Turkey at November 09, 2022 01:31 PM (qu6IK)
Not enough apparently.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans
==
Well don't complain to us. We told you so. . .

Posted by: Nelson Muntz laugh at November 09, 2022 01:36 PM (kUnAb)

788
One of the worst things Republicans did was tell Republicans not to vote early. Its a bad strategy on two fronts. Obviously you gamble on people showing up in one day vs banking the votes early. The other is spending extra time and effort to contact voters with GOTV efforts. Calling voters repeatedly takes time and money that could be used elsewhere if more voters were a guaranteed vote via early voting or mail in.
Posted by: Not Again!!

__

1000x times this.

I hate early voter laws, but its a rule that needs to be exploited until it gets changed.

If Kari Lake loses, a big reason will be she urged "day of" voting and not early voting.

Posted by: Blago at November 09, 2022 01:37 PM (PwNLq)

789 May 2022, reuters

"EXCLUSIVE CIA chief told Bolsonaro government not to mess with Brazil election, sources say"

https://tinyurl.com/2ffvvt3z

Posted by: Paul Pelosi's Gay Anal Hammer Handle Fetish Can Save Democracy at November 09, 2022 01:37 PM (hub+L)

790 733 "It looks like, at least, the GOP will take the house. I think. In which case, we get effectively the best we could have hoped for, even in a wave: a veto on the craziest and stupidest legislation. Deadlock. A moratorium on dumb spending"

@Bevel Lemelis, best analysis I've seen on the election postmortem. Cut. Jib. Newsletter.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon
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Eh, I'd rather have the Senate to gum up Biden's judicial appointments. But yes, I've been telling people that we're actually in a better postion than the Democrats were after the 2018 election. They had the House and a smaller Senate majority.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 01:39 PM (4QgJj)

791 Maybe people have forgotten what happened in 2018, when like 6 Republican "winners" lost in later counting because TOTALLY NO FRAUD.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (Ivdso)

I have not forgotten. 2018 was the trial to see if an open cheat could be accepted, and surprise! It worked incredibly well. Thanks, Fontes.

Posted by: soulpile at November 09, 2022 01:40 PM (hiX0r)

792 >>If Kari Lake loses, a big reason will be she urged "day of" voting and not early voting.

Neither she nor Masters think they are going to lose. They are both tweeting out that the ballots still being counted are breaking big for them.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 09, 2022 01:40 PM (ZLI7S)

793 Newsletter!
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I DO just happen to know how to make MILLION$$$ without leaving home!

It's called Non-Fungible Real Estate!

But you have to get in NOW!!!

Posted by: FOMSG at November 09, 2022 01:40 PM (go1Uo)

794 Scalise is McCarthy's 'controlled opposition' to head off a MAGA challenge.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at November 09, 2022 01:41 PM (DePyg)

795 777 One of the worst things Republicans did was tell Republicans not to vote early.
Posted by: Not Again!
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I'm not sure about that. I mean, is there evidence that Republican voters who didn't vote on Election Day would have voted early if we asked them to?

The problem with early voting is that it makes lazy people (i.e., Democrats) more likely to vote. We shouldn't be encouraging it broadly.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 09, 2022 01:41 PM (4QgJj)

796 "Most ripe, winnable, emotional election in decades, and the Republicans were silent on pretty much every issue."

This. The messaging and ads here in Texas were horrible. Nothing about inflation, scarcely anything about energy nor was there anything about the horrors of the last two years with regard to COVID. They did discuss the border and crime in local races, but that was pretty much it.

It is like the Republicans just expected to win. Possibly a good strategy in crimson Texas. Probably not a good strategy in a purple or blue state though.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at November 09, 2022 01:41 PM (bkrYR)

797 Neither she nor Masters think they are going to lose. They are both tweeting out that the ballots still being counted are breaking big for them.
Posted by: JackStraw
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One of them is lying.

One of them is paying the people who are "counting" the votes.

Posted by: sad but true at November 09, 2022 01:41 PM (/+thL)

798 >>> >>>I give up on this country. I really do
"Why are you learning all of Switzerland's languages, ace?"
Posted by: ace at November 09, 2022 12:27 PM (C1Zwz)

When you start learning Romansch, Ace, let us know!

Posted by: LizLem at November 09, 2022 01:42 PM (+mkOR)

799 What we are living with is decades of GOPe “not the hill to die on” strategy. Having ceded every possible ground, except for perhaps corporate taxes, Republicans are left with an extremely bad position from which to fight.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 09, 2022 01:42 PM (ulag2)

800 We've all suffered from the narcissism of boomers for far too long.
Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 01:34 PM (1dzqn)

That's the second less-veiled instance of ageism to come slathering out of that pie hole of yours.

Keep it up.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at November 09, 2022 01:43 PM (MkuC5)

801 I thought Election Day voting was preferable because it delays information the Dems need to see how hard they have to cheat. Is there another consideration?

Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2022 01:43 PM (Emce2)

802 Excellent analysis of last night's electoral disappointment, Ace. The best I've read/heard so far; and I doubt I'll discover better.

Your description of the left's ugly primal tribalism seems spot on to me. - Along with your observation that the left's useful idiots thrive on the fantasy of superiority, and the progressive elitists are more than happy to feed that to them.

I take consolation in the perspective you've illuminated here. Thanks.

Posted by: Bach in Black at November 09, 2022 01:44 PM (7ubmG)

803 I done got willowed!

Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2022 01:45 PM (Emce2)

804 One of the worst things Republicans did was tell Republicans not to vote early. Its a bad strategy on two fronts. Obviously you gamble on people showing up in one day vs banking the votes early. The other is spending extra time and effort to contact voters with GOTV efforts. Calling voters repeatedly takes time and money that could be used elsewhere if more voters were a guaranteed vote via early voting or mail in.
Posted by: Not Again!!

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You don’t know what you’re talking about. If early voting is allowed, everyone going door to door is told to tell voters they meet to vote early.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 09, 2022 01:46 PM (ulag2)

805 I thought Election Day voting was preferable because it delays information the Dems need to see how hard they have to cheat. Is there another consideration?
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If you vote early and give your ballot to a ballot harvester, they steam it open to see who you voted for and act accordingly. (Not a joke). In reality, the cheat is now based upon their knowledge of how many votes to expect from Reps based upon past performance. They have an area code by area code idea of mathematically how many potential republican votes exist. In theory they can pre produce what they need. Not if voting requires an ID check and scan to match the ballot. Which doesn't happen with mail in votes. Mail in / drop box voting is a problem where there is no ID check. And no match to ballot.

Posted by: sad but true at November 09, 2022 01:47 PM (sAzI6)

806
I thought Election Day voting was preferable because it delays information the Dems need to see how hard they have to cheat. Is there another consideration?
==
If you vote early and give your ballot to a ballot harvester, they steam it open to see who you voted for and act accordingly. (Not a joke). In reality, the cheat is now based upon their knowledge of how many votes to expect from Reps based upon past performance. They have an area code by area code idea of mathematically how many potential republican votes exist. In theory they can pre produce what they need. Not if voting requires an ID check and scan to match the ballot. Which doesn't happen with mail in votes. Mail in / drop box voting is a problem where there is no ID check. And no match to ballot.

EXACTLY RIGHT!

We need to have OUR OWN ballot harvesters.

Posted by: FOMSG at November 09, 2022 01:52 PM (go1Uo)

807 We've all suffered from the narcissism of boomers for far too long.
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That's the second less-veiled instance of ageism to come slathering out of that pie hole of yours.
Keep it up.
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I do not get this at all. I am a "boomer" supposedly. Yet I feel no need to defend them from attacks or even identify with that "so called" group. The idea that I share the same values as everyone born in those same decades is laughable. There were both hippies and crewcuts walking around at the same time. I mean seriously, its preposterous when you think about it. Just another strategy to divide and conquer.

Posted by: shakes head at November 09, 2022 01:52 PM (IGDUS)

808 I thought Election Day voting was preferable because it delays information the Dems need to see how hard they have to cheat. Is there another consideration?
==
If you vote early and give your ballot to a ballot harvester, they steam it open to see who you voted for and act accordingly. (Not a joke). In reality, the cheat is now based upon their knowledge of how many votes to expect from Reps based upon past performance. They have an area code by area code idea of mathematically how many potential republican votes exist. In theory they can pre produce what they need. Not if voting requires an ID check and scan to match the ballot. Which doesn't happen with mail in votes. Mail in / drop box voting is a problem where there is no ID check. And no match to ballot.

Posted by: sad but true at November 09, 2022 01:47 PM (sAzI6)

EXACTLY RIGHT!

We need to have OUR OWN ballot harvesters.

Posted by: FOMSG at November 09, 2022 01:53 PM (go1Uo)

809 One of your best post's, Ace. Up here in Minnesocold our Scott Jensen came out against abortion for any case(I think) and it probably cost him the race. I didn't think it mattered that much, but man, I am just now finding out how it affected chiquita's around here.

Posted by: Danimal28 at November 09, 2022 02:02 PM (klw0w)

810 That's the second less-veiled instance of ageism to come slathering out of that pie hole of yours.
Keep it up.

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It's not ageism.

I'd much prefer the leadership of my grandfather's generation.

Old people don't suck. Just boomers.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 02:04 PM (1dzqn)

811 Agree to column above.

One point that needs to be hammered home — the people (including imaginary people) of Pennsylvania have “scientifically” proven they will vote for a ham sandwich, if the sandwich promises to outlaw fraking, decriminalize previously outlawed violent crimes, free previously incarcerated violent criminals, as part of committing to voting 100% in alignment with the Democrat Party line.

Posted by: Dummy #43 at November 09, 2022 02:06 PM (zAMrg)

812 3 Democratic women in my office who loved Cuomo but hate Hochul told me they were very disappointed that Zeldin lost. The crimes and rape in the city were scaring them. I asked who they voted for and they all said Hochul.
Can't fix stupid.

Posted by: SCIAFE at November 09, 2022 02:06 PM (vPqS3)

813 "Where can we get a lobotomized candidate?"

Abby Normal

Posted by: DaisyB at November 09, 2022 02:07 PM (AbL8c)

814 Finally it all comes down to a violent purge of all democrats and members of their death cult. No mercy. No prisoners.

Posted by: Raynbo Hyppo at November 09, 2022 02:08 PM (U3NYt)

815 "I thought Election Day voting was preferable because it delays information the Dems need to see how hard they have to cheat. Is there another consideration?"

Yes and something I hadn't really distilled until I saw Steven Crowder's podcast last night, who observed how the polls (to manipulate public opinion to primal the "herd" mentality) always overestimate leftist leads until shortly before the election, then "narrow" just enough to preserve the pollster's franchise.

This relates very directly to early voting IMO. They left recognizes their ability to generate a false "herd" mentality up until close to the reality of an election. Allowing weeks of early voting allows them to capture the greatest gains from this sort of manipulation, by locking in sizable portions of the vote before the herd illusion is diminished.

I think this is a major but less-obvious shenanigan for the left as compared to their outright cheating with the absentee ballots.

Posted by: Zek at November 09, 2022 02:09 PM (fsV7e)

816 Old people don't suck. Just boomers.

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I mean, the boomers sucked when they were young, too.

Honestly, how can you defend a generation that gave us Madonna, Trump and Rob Reiner.

Posted by: Trooof at November 09, 2022 02:10 PM (1dzqn)

817 110 I for one am going to have fun pointing and laughing at Fetterlump, or when his wife takes over, Festering-Pump, for the next six years.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 09, 2022 12:28 PM (eacmp)

Fetterlump wont be around for six years or even six months. Nobody cares about him, they cared about the opportunity for the seat, and dragged him over the line because the governorship was also in question. Now that it's been secured, his usefulness is over. Anyone can fill it, which Shapiro will be pressured to at earliest convenience.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 09, 2022 02:14 PM (52Jgr)

818 791 Maybe people have forgotten what happened in 2018, when like 6 Republican "winners" lost in later counting because TOTALLY NO FRAUD.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2022 01:25 PM (Ivdso)

I have not forgotten. 2018 was the trial to see if an open cheat could be accepted, and surprise! It worked incredibly well. Thanks, Fontes.
Posted by: soulpile at November 09, 2022 01:40 PM (hiX0r)

And that was with a Republican in the White House. Just imagine how much worse it is now.

I read that on Election Night 2020, the Trump campaign was calling around looking for lawyers to litigate against the cheating. On Election Night! A legal war room should have been set up months earlier. I see no reason to believe the Trump camp will do much better the next time around. Dem superlawyer Marc Elias is bragging that he's won nearly every lawsuit he filed during this election cycle.

Posted by: Rusty Trawler at November 09, 2022 02:14 PM (1gif2)

819 Penn 32 elected a guy that DIED over a month ago, no repub was even running in the district, the Green party candidate on the ballot only got a handfull of votes.
Dead guy won in a landslide...mainly on early/mail in votes cast while he still had a pulse.

Posted by: birddog at November 09, 2022 02:16 PM (uAI4S)

820 "... I see no reason to believe the Trump camp will do much better the next time around. Dem superlawyer Marc Elias is bragging that he's won nearly every lawsuit he filed during this election cycle."

It helps that raiding the offices of Trump's lawyers, subpoenaing attorney client documents, and taking Rudy's law license, has deterred basically every large/prominent firm from representing him.

Posted by: Zek at November 09, 2022 02:18 PM (fsV7e)

821 NO ideology can sufficiently explain the election of Jon Fetterman. I can tell you why I initially held my nose and voted for Trump. There is no excuse for a basement dwelling, stroke-victim lump to be elected to the US fucking Senate.

Posted by: red speck at November 09, 2022 02:34 PM (gS3OW)

822 Supposedly there were many voters of the "I'm an independent that usually votes Dem but Biden sucks so I'll vote Repub this time". If that's true, how many of them said on Monday night "Everyone says the Repubs are gonna win big so I'll enjoy my day off work and just stay home."

Posted by: George V at November 09, 2022 02:36 PM (ugbqN)

823 My wife is conservative like me, but not as plugged in politically. She IS plugged in with birthing groups and child care groups (we have 4 kids), and knows a lot of women who are very concerned with women's freedom. Particularly, the freedom to choose how their children are born, ie, what procedures a birthing clinic CAN provide. Here in Alabama this is all "controlled" by the OB association. All that to say, abortion is all part of that. If R's were smart, they'd start holding town halls on these issues and come out with Abortion/Child Birthing laws that are modern for their respective states rather than letting things languish.

Posted by: ShockedNotShocked at November 09, 2022 02:46 PM (rZd2x)

824 Abortion is my #1 reason to vote every time. Without life you don't get liberty or the pursuit of happiness.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 09, 2022 02:49 PM (0tKN0)

825 of the nearly million ballots yet to be counted in AZ...they are breaking 70% for Repubs. Lake is now within 1%.

Posted by: birddog at November 09, 2022 02:56 PM (uAI4S)

826 Democrats love inflation. They do not feel the full brunt of it if they live in cities. That is why they do not care when they price of gas goes up. If they work for the government, their pay goes up. So they benefit from inflation. Retired workers get pay increases. Inflation has become a tax on Republicans.

Posted by: william ferrin at November 09, 2022 03:03 PM (wBznp)

827 "Jan '23, Schumer greets Fetterman at the Door...
Schumer: "Welcome to the Senate."
Fetterman: "Thanks, Chuck. Now what?"

Now? Here is a gift card to Mens Warehouse, ya gotta go buy some decent clothes...You cannot even enter the chamber dressed that way, we have a DRESS CODE....Moron

Posted by: birddog at November 09, 2022 03:03 PM (uAI4S)

828 Now whatabout IF....Manchin announces he will be caucusing with repubs(doesn't even need to change party ID)...Dem50 already includes two non-dems that only "Caucus" with them.
flipping the senate for sure, Kamlalala out of the mix(the minx),
he can pick any committee posts he wants.
He can claim Bidens anti-coal comments were the Last Straw.
Major media meltdown

Posted by: birddog at November 09, 2022 03:08 PM (uAI4S)

829 "Patton warned against soldiers imagining the Nazis to be ten-foot-tall giants who were unbeatable in battle."

Patton also recognized at the end of the war that we fought for the wrong side.

Posted by: StaticRage at November 09, 2022 03:49 PM (4cUXg)

830 This post was fine until I read the idiot shart on Iraq and tyranny. This poster still thinks we were the good guys in Iraq.

Posted by: WJ at November 09, 2022 03:58 PM (1IjGy)

831 What would being ungovernable (without violating God's commands) look like in real life?
Posted by: Miss Issippi at November 09, 2022 12:46 PM (sI15f)

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Posted by: Dog's Breakfast at November 09, 2022 04:13 PM (Be4I4)

832 First Mail in Ballots in PA went out Oct 11. The Dems hold a 3.5 to 1 advantage in mail in ballot requests. Those are guaranteed voters. They return at close to 90%+. I am an R Committeewoman, at my suburban PA polling place, election day voters were almost perfectly split evenly, 50/50. But.....the mail ins are the big factor. We lost every local race, gov, and senate. I saw a ton of D women and then I knew it was all about Abortion. Also, many of the D voters wore masks, that is how I knew which party they were for. Was very odd...

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