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Nord Stream Pipelines 1 and 2, Which Carry Russian Natural Gas to Germany, Leaking Into the North Sea;
Sabotage Strongly Suspected
Gas leaking into the North Sea.
This is going to get a little conspiratorial.
Two undersea pipelines crucial to delivering Russian natural gas to Germany were hit with mysterious leaks on Monday, prompting concerns of sabotage. Why it matters: The Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines have been central to the energy crisis that has enveloped Europe in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. While Nord Stream 2 hasn't entered commercial operation -- its certification was halted on the eve of the invasion -- Nord Stream 1 provided a crucial pathway for Russian gas to reach Europe until earlier this month, when Russia closed the pipeline citing maintenance concerns. The big picture: Two leaks were detected in the Nord Stream 1 pipeline and one in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. While neither pipe was operating at the time the leaks were discovered, both were filled with gas, Reuters reported.Via the French outlet BFMTV, two underwater explosions were detected just before the leaks were sited. (My translation.)
Two underwater explosions detected before the Nord Stream leaks Two underwater explosions "very likely due to detonations" have been recorded in proximity to the sites of the leaks of the pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2 shortly before their detection, a Swedish seismic institute announced Tuesday. A first "massive release of energy" of a magnitude 1.9 [Richter, I assume] was recorded in night between Sunday and Monday at 2:03 am local (12:03 am GMT) southwest of the Danish island of Bornholm, then another of magnitude 2.3 at 7:04 pm Monday night northeast of the island, Peter Schmidt of the National Swedish Seismology Network to the AFP. "We interpret it as most likely originating from a form of detonation," he said.I'm a little unsure if they mean a deliberate detonation via explosive charges or the like, or maybe a detonation of the gas caused by, I don't know, a natural accident. There shouldn't be a lot of free oxygen down there so I don't know how an explosion would happen, even assuming something made a spark. If these were planted charges, why did they go off so many hours apart? One went off early Monday morning at 2:03 am, the next went off Monday night at 7:04 pm. What kind of timing is that? Was it not explosives at all? Was it just divers cutting into the pipelines with underwater torches, and the torches themselves provoked the explosions? That seems dangerous to the divers. On the other hand, if this is all accidental and due to natural causes -- how did both pipes get ruptured? Denmark's prime minister says it's "hard to imagine" that the ruptures are "accidental:"
Denmark's prime minister says it is "hard to imagine" that the leaks detected on Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines were "accidental." pic.twitter.com/MSAxf7xq3X
— DW News (@dwnews) September 27, 2022
Thousands of people in Germany protest against Olaf Scholz's government, the high energy prices and the sanctions on Russia. They demand reopening of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. These protests are largely censored by the corporate media. #NordStream2 pic.twitter.com/J0My22wqY2
— Frank Hoogerbeets (@hobeets) September 27, 2022
A protest was held in Lubmin, Germany yesterday.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) September 26, 2022
It’s the location where Nord Stream 2 reaches German land.
Russian Germans and their supporters demanded the pipeline to be opened.
3 Ukrainian women showed up to counter-protest and were attacked.
pic.twitter.com/sEoNgDVjHw
Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
— ABC News (@ABC) February 7, 2022
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"
Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that." https://t.co/uruQ4F4zM9 pic.twitter.com/4ksDaaU0YC
Darren J. BeattieYeah I don't know about that. Something really risky like this would only be done by the people with the greatest stake in the outcome -- that is, the Ukranians themselves. But who knows if they had some unofficial help from former CIA people working for one of the many well-funded private intelligence agencies based in DC. For their part, Ukraine is blaming... Russia. This is the "Adviser to the Head of the Office of President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy."
@DarrenJBeattie Before yesterday, the only impediment to Germany receiving Russian gas from Nordstream 2 was political--Scholz wouldn't allow it Germans demonstrated demanding the pipeline open Now that USA (or its proxies) destroyed the pipeline, Germany is fucked ... USA sabotaged major gas pipeline from Russia to Germany, and Germany isn't going to do shit about it Germany is not a sovereign country. ... Champagne bottles popping at Atlantic Council right now
@Podolyak_M "Gas leak" from NS-1 is nothing more that a terrorist attack planned by Russia and an act of aggression towards EU. Russia wants to destabilize economic situation in Europe and cause pre-winter panic. The best response and security investment -- tanks for Ukraine. Especially German ones...
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:00 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:01 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:01 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: SturmToddler at September 27, 2022 12:02 PM (WhsXQ)
Posted by: 2009Refugee at September 27, 2022 12:04 PM (3d5FD)
Posted by: Czech Chick at September 27, 2022 12:04 PM (haWye)
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:04 PM (24fqN)
Posted by: rd
Don't need air. Pressure will do it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 27, 2022 12:04 PM (IyrhE)
Posted by: Chuck C at September 27, 2022 12:04 PM (xttsV)
Big pain is coming to Europe.
Oh and speaking of big pain, Bill Gates says CW2 is coming and will end it all.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (GSYnl)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Greenies at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (bs+z0)
Russian quality control.
Posted by: Braenyard's phone at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (xj2l7)
Posted by: Leaky Leahy at September 27, 2022 12:06 PM (l3SW6)
Posted by: fd at September 27, 2022 12:06 PM (sn5EN)
Posted by: Tonypete at September 27, 2022 12:06 PM (LsEU/)
Posted by: Blue Falcon at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (BJH2j)
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (tdAgY)
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (24fqN)
"Sited," as in located, or "sighted," as in perceived with the eyes. Just wondering.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: FIB agent Brandon at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (KrErK)
America is a third world country, but even I don't think they would do that. And I am really not a fan of America anymore.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (d2bW3)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (Y+l9t)
F. Joe Biden has halted every pipeline EXCEPT ONE!
Tapioca Joe removed the Trump Sanctions on Nordstream 2 to allow Russia and Gazprom to complete Nordstream 2.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:08 PM (Z32m1)
Moon of Alabama is the best source for Ukrainian war info.
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Poland’s top politician said Thursday that the government will seek equivalent of some $1.3 trillion in reparations from Germany for the Nazis’ World War II invasion and occupation of his country.
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Article suggests the Poles probably sponsored the operation.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:08 PM (5Qjf9)
Posted by: SturmToddler at September 27, 2022 12:08 PM (WhsXQ)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:08 PM (kHUzq)
Bottom line, only a handful of potential actors have the capability to sabotage in that location.
US government--military or intel--is prime suspect.
Posted by: Brother Tim, still the worst commenter on the blog at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (OUMaO)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (906pl)
Posted by: President Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (ANH3w)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (d2bW3)
Not Biden's version of America
Posted by: It's me donna at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (bs+z0)
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (24fqN)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 27, 2022 12:10 PM (up/3i)
Posted by: Infidel at September 27, 2022 12:10 PM (+J0HH)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 27, 2022 12:10 PM (yQpMk)
Posted by: It's me donna
He's obviously capable of anything, but I don't know how this makes sense for the U.S. Yes, i understand he is mentally incapacitated, but this is insane.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 27, 2022 12:10 PM (d2bW3)
"Sited," as in located, or "sighted," as in perceived with the eyes. Just wondering."
If you are siteing a French TV station, it may just be a translation error.
Posted by: fd at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (sn5EN)
Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (kE7ZK)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:08 PM (kHUzq)
Biden takes responsibility for *nothing*. Even Jug Ears was more responsible.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (5Qjf9)
Posted by: It's me donna at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (bs+z0)
You mean three out of the four pipes. And who screwed up the last one?
Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (Sv58p)
As for the time difference? Achmed the Clockmaker had just one job?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (Syqns)
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I smell Navy SEALs.
Out: The Terminal List.
In: The Terminal Twist.
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (ylLOx)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: BacktoGA at September 27, 2022 12:12 PM (MPYWI)
I wouldn't be so sure. Ukraine has been a locus for all kinds of corrupt Deep State activities, and unending war provides both the opportunity and the means to launder vast amounts of money.
Posted by: craig at September 27, 2022 12:12 PM (iblX1)
Of course it was a "private intelligence company" that did this.
Forever Wars, coming to a continent near you.
Posted by: Scott_T at September 27, 2022 12:12 PM (2waQ7)
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Where did they drop Bin Laden's body?
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:12 PM (ylLOx)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (ZLI7S)
Posted by: It's me donna
It's been 10 years and I need an eye test. It's BS.
Posted by: Infidel at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (+J0HH)
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:07 PM (24fqN)
At least in the end, there will be only chaos. So I've heard, anyway.
Posted by: Thrawn at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (Rl7KJ)
If it was divers, IMO they would use a lot less explosives.
1.) Divers can get right up next to the pipeline to emplace the explosives.
2.) Hauling around hundreds or thousands of pounds of explosives by hand underwater is not easy.
Could the explosives have been emplaced by a ship?
Airplane?
Submarine? This method really limits the possible actors. Russia, US, Britain, France, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Germany (are any German subs even operational?), Poland, others?
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Don Lemon at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (kE7ZK)
Posted by: fd at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (sn5EN)
Took over 450 days for my CC renewal to arrive. We had to pass a law that says as long as we're waiting for a card, we're good, even if current card expires in interim. Escher just glanced at our state bureaucracy, called to say "man this is some twisted up mazey shit."
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (24fqN)
There are many things I don't know. For example, do both pipelines run from the same manifold, so that a pressure spike in one would also happen in the other?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:14 PM (ayzS/)
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Were the pipes Made in China?
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:14 PM (ylLOx)
Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (5Qjf9)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (BFigT)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (Syqns)
It's been 10 years and I need an eye test. It's BS.
Posted by: Infidel at September 27, 2022 12:13 PM (+J0HH)
They told me I need an eye test and new photo too.... I checked into the DMV website and filled out what I thought was pre registration and it let me renew... Got my license 2 weeks later... Husband did the same...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (bs+z0)
Someone cited in the art thread that the depth of around 225 feet, which is about 100 psi hydrostatic pressure on the outside of the pipeline. Even without gas flowing inside the piping or with a residual pressure less than normal operating pressure, I wouldn't necessarily expect 100 psi external to the pipeline to cause an implosion of the pipeline, absent some deterioration of the integrity of the piping, intentional or otherwise.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (5Qjf9)
He's not taking responsibility. He owns it. He is the one who put destruction of the pipeline on the table, thus giving plausible deniability to any other actor who might have an interest in causing mischief.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (kHUzq)
Doubtful, if you ask me. Protests mean nothing. Our globalist regime will do as it sees fit without regard to popular opinion in any event, and nobody - nobody - takes Europeans seriously. Those people are fucking cattle and can always be safely ignored when they start mooing.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (oINRc)
>>At least in the end, there will be only chaos. So I've heard, anyway.
Kratos was trenchant and mordant... or was that mordant and trenchant?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (up/3i)
But this is a clear sign that Europe has to fully embrace it's green religion. If thousands and millions have to starve/freeze, well, every religion has its martyrs.
Posted by: Thrawn at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (Rl7KJ)
And the way to reopen the pipelines is to pressure European governments to start negotiating with Russia to end the war.
That was my takeaway. The absolute last thing this junta wants is any negotiation with Russia to take place. What it *does* want is war and mass death.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (DTX3h)
You mean three out of the four pipes. And who screwed up the last one?
Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 12:11 PM (Sv58p)
Sounds like one of the fuses failed? I would hate to be the EOD tech on that one. Working in freezing salt water at 225 feet below the surface. If they blow it in place, it takes out the pipeline anyway.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:17 PM (kE7ZK)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (kHUzq)
He also owns the media.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:17 PM (5Qjf9)
Posted by: DaveA at September 27, 2022 12:17 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: Furious George at September 27, 2022 12:17 PM (CkFy6)
Posted by: spypeach at September 27, 2022 12:18 PM (UuB/1)
Germany is not a sovereign country.
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Brussels' Bitch.
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:18 PM (ylLOx)
"2.) Hauling around hundreds or thousands of pounds of explosives by hand underwater is not easy."
10-30 lbs of explosives that are often able to float on their own isn't a big deal. This isn't "hundreds or thousands of pounds". You are reading waaaaaay too much into the seismic info vs. actual size of explosion.
Posted by: somedood at September 27, 2022 12:18 PM (++emK)
Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 12:15 PM (AwYPR)
It's in the Baltic sea. Pretty shallow water there, only 70 meters.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:18 PM (kHUzq)
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (BRHaw)
Posted by: Javems at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (AmoqO)
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (yikp0)
Posted by: spypeach at September 27, 2022 12:18 PM (UuB/1)
Electric cars or bust.
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (5Qjf9)
If you look at the "Our Mission" webpage of Illinois state govt, there's a picture of a big fat Gordian Knot.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (24fqN)
Europe shuts down 75% of it industry, and still freezes in the dark. China loses a major customer, and source of its industrial equipmment. We have F. Joe Brandon.
WE are all screwed.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (Ivdso)
Note.... you can make yer own, it aint hard. Then just roll it off the back of a fishing boat...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (oHd/0)
Pesky little problem for the German Navy to get out until they built the Kiel Canal.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (Syqns)
Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (kE7ZK)
Posted by: Fish gills at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Not Quite Chuck Tingle, But Love is Real at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (KFhLj)
Posted by: Ultra pj at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (G1dq6)
I have my nickel on "pro-Ukraine irregulars."
Antifa groups in the US are always on about wanting to blow up pipelines. I'm betting some of these douchebags are Supporting the Current Thing, here.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (oINRc)
It's hard to believe obama's/soros' CIA isnt involved in this.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (gKXSf)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM (Y+l9t)
Since we're going all conspiracy theorist here . . . . The joos conspiracies are not my bag, but Israel has subs and a clear financial stake in such an outcome as demonstrated by JJ in The Morning Report.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (yikp0)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (ZeDNp)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM (vH/6k)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:05 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: ValJar at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (kE7ZK)
Posted by: Fish gills at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (a3Q+t)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gill
disolved oxygen ... not "air" ...
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (5Qjf9)
Europe shuts down 75% of it industry, and still freezes in the dark. China loses a major customer, and source of its industrial equipmment. We have F. Joe Brandon.
WE are all screwed.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (Z32m1)
Add in Food shortages, and you are about to see 'the Winter of our discontent'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (oHd/0)
If you look at the "Our Mission" webpage of Illinois state govt, there's a picture of a big fat Gordian Knot.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (24fqN)
Do they allow walk-ins? MN has the same BS. I discovered my license expired the next day. First appointment was 67 days later. I showed up at 15 minutes past the opening time, and was about 20th in line. I was out in 90 minutes.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (Z32m1)
My guess, is that it is one of the European Union Balkin states who do not want to be next on Russia's list of expansion zones.
Posted by: astonerii at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (VcZlJ)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (5pTK/)
Posted by: andycanuck
Everyone likes muffs - fuzzy or not.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (LsEU/)
Those will hit hardest during Spring and into the Summer.
Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (kE7ZK)
Nope. They'd have sent sharks with industrial lasers on their heads to do the job.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (ayzS/)
Maybe, some speculate, because there were protests in Germany demanding that the pipelines be reopened?
And the way to reopen the pipelines is to pressure European governments to start negotiating with Russia to end the war?
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That's my knee-jerk reaction, yes. There's not a lot of reason to suspect that Russia would do this themselves. They control the taps on the other end, and destroying their own physical plant doesn't make sense (except possibly as a false-flag to blame the Americans). The Ukrainians could want to do it, but I'm not sure they have the technical capability. We have the capability, but the desire is unknown. If it was us, and we did it to prevent Germany or other European countries from suing for a separate peace, we're total motherfuckers because that means we're holding the continent hostage for energy - energy we can't produce enough of to supply them without starving ourselves - to extend a war in which we're not directly involved.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 27, 2022 12:23 PM (t0OGg)
Fuck yea the USA did the sabotage of the pipeline
The USA raided a former POTUS and sent 30 armed Feds to arrest a Roman Catholic dude who pushed somebody in Pennsylvania
Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (xAAUL)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (5Tc06)
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (oHd/0)
I suspect that is how it was done. The explosions were evidently quite large, which is what one would do if you could not get shaped charges stuck right on the the lines themselves. Probably with long-duration timers so the explosions occurred days or weeks after the boat had left the area.
Maybe that German pol who warned about the "24th" did know something?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (kHUzq)
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (yikp0)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (up/3i)
Posted by: Dr. T at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (bhRsz)
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (atmen)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (KFhLj)
Uh, depth charge. And yes, the US Navy has plans to be able to cut pipelines and undersea cables, using various weapons platforms.
Hell, you could FLY over and do it... depth charge set to detonate at a known depth...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (oHd/0)
I'm putting a sawbuck on : Crab People.
Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (kE7ZK)
If you want tinfoil, *there* is some tinfoil for you!
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (t0OGg)
So does this mean the pipelines are clogged or unclogged?
I'd sure like to know, wooden shoe?
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (cPDW+)
Posted by: Dr. T at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (bhRsz)
If it was us, and we did it to prevent Germany or other European countries from suing for a separate peace, we're total motherfuckers
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And stupid ones, too. I'm now convinced it was us.
Whatever the most stupid motherfuckery thing is, is what the US does.
Occam's razor - whatever is the worst possible thing the US could do is always the simplest explanation.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (oINRc)
Also, Sharks. With Lasers.
Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:22 PM (kE7ZK)
Those Joo subs are 3,000 mles away from the Baltic seas. My money is on Russia, France, Britain, US. Less likely? Poland, Norway, Sweden.
Norway is opening a new 10 million cu ft gas line to Poland tomorrow.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (b1zbT)
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (KY22T)
Not like we've had an inexplicable run of various food production and processing sites catch fire, explode, 1k head of cattle just die, largest chicken processing plant burn, etc.
2022: Scarcity, good and hard!
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (7obMn)
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (BdMk6)
How does the Nord bombing help the Biden and Kerry family?
What's the connection to their investments?
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The only operational pipeline from Russia to Europe is now the one that goes through Ukraine, which Zelensky and anyone with their fingers in that pie benefit from. At least as long as it remains running.
Posted by: Methos
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (b1zbT)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (wmDcS)
The best funded of these is the Agency for Centralized Intelligence. Their offices are located at 1000 Colonial Farm Rd., Langley, VA. It is important to note, however, that they are not an agency of the US government and can, therefore, spy on Americans also.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (z99Zw)
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (t0OGg)
Why couldn't one just lower explosives with a magnet on them on a line, and move it until it encountered the pipeline. I mean, as long as we're doing the rank speculation thing...
Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (ayzS/)
Court Rules Trans Prison Guard Can’t Strip-Search Muslim Inmate.
Mohammedan>>Tranny
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (BRHaw)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (zGaBX)
Gavel Princip was unavailable for comment.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (e6UQI)
--Meggie McCain
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Javems at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (AmoqO)
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (KY22T)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 27, 2022 12:21 PM
Assuming you mean U.S. units, even as degraded and woke as they've become, that is highly unlikely to be the case.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (a3Q+t)
Has it been going badly for them? I really can't tell one way or the other. How many billions of dollars have we dumped on the Ukrainians now? 120 Billion or so? There doesn't seem to be an end anytime soon. I don't trust any of the news coming from the Ukrainians, the Russians, or the US. They're all full of shit as far as I can tell.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (eyxn4)
My guess, is that it is one of the European Union Balkin states who do not want to be next on Russia's list of expansion zones.
Russia had huge economic leverage as long as everyone knew they COULD turn the flow of energy back on.
If it's impossible, then that political / economic leverage, is gone.
Absolutely in Ukraine's interest to have the West continue the steady stream of money into their country, the war has brought.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (oHd/0)
LOL
Not so funny, check out the report on the USS Connecticut (sub) in the South China Sea in 2021, or summaries of it. Unbelievable. Male commander. Rammed a sea mount at 24 knots. Failure of navigation operation literally difficult to believe.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (5Tc06)
Posted by: Dark Brandon, Senile Child Molester! at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (I2/tG)
Sure, aliens. Nobody much closer, that's for sure.
Posted by: Subterranean Lizard People at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: 2009Refugee
Yay!
Posted by: Euro Watermelons at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: fd at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (sn5EN)
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:19 PM (oHd/0)
I suspect that is how it was done. The explosions were evidently quite large, which is what one would do if you could not get shaped charges stuck right on the the lines themselves. Probably with long-duration timers so the explosions occurred days or weeks after the boat had left the area.
Maybe that German pol who warned about the "24th" did know something?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (kHUzq)
And it is not as if remotely piloted drones are first world nation only devices. Kind of opens up the world of possibilities.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (KY22T)
Imagine angrily telling someone you were going to have them killed while you were talking to them in front of an entire football stadium, and the person winds up dead in his dressing room 15 minutes later. But it wasn't you, was it?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (b1zbT)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (Syqns)
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur
Thing is, this was already happening. Israel already providing natural gas to Europe as a result of current market demand. There was no incentive for them to do this and I did not mean to imply their involvement.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (hPvGe)
I don't trust any of the news coming from the Ukrainians, the Russians, or the US. They're all full of shit as far as I can tell.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (eyxn4)
You can count on it that all involved parties are bad and liars, because they are.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (oINRc)
Posted by: National Google Review! at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (I2/tG)
I mean, as long as we're speculating.
Posted by: Subterranean Lizard People at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (6eRlp)
Whatever the most stupid motherfuckery thing is, is what the US does.
Occam's razor - whatever is the worst possible thing the US could do is always the simplest explanation.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (oINRc)
That's basically the modus operandi of the State Department and CIA. Who now have a vegetable nominally in charge of them. Seems plausible
Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (VPWcH)
This is a great summation of my feelings on this whole thing. And why I find it very easy to ignore this whole sideshow, except to occasionally laugh at it.
Posted by: Wally at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (FJYfm)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (Syqns)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (b1zbT)
Here's a good suspect: Acme Pipeline Repair Co.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (24fqN)
Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (ayzS/)
You could, but you would have to stop for a bit to do that.... and everyone knows satellites are watching now...
Now, just happen to cruise by the spot a couple of days ago? Explosives on a timer?
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Bruce at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (vd8XM)
Posted by: Pestar at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (kE7ZK)
Sure, aliens. Nobody much closer, that's for sure.
Posted by: Subterranean Lizard People
The Abyss except the aliens aren't stupid peaceniks.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (sAmhv)
The Ukrainian regime is a puppet of DC and exists to launder money for DC's politicians. They, and the Biden regime in particular, are the ones with the greatest stake in the outcome of the conflict.
Zelensky can always retire in comfort with all the funds he's skimmed if the war goes the wrong way. But DC's global prestige takes a massive hit in that event.
Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (kOpft)
Hell, you could FLY over and do it... depth charge set to detonate at a known depth...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 27, 2022 12:24 PM (oHd/0)
You can find the pipeline using a MAD / magnetic anomaly detector. Fly lengthwise along it and deliver a large bomb to the sea floor with a time delay. 2 days later? BOOM!
The Swedes said the booms registered 2.3 on multiple seismometers.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (5Qjf9)
And we sure as hell are in no hurry!
Posted by: Ukraine at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (hPvGe)
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 27, 2022 12:26 PM (BdMk6)
I'll just parallel park this right here.
Oh crap.
*drives off*
Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (b1zbT)
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (KY22T)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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They are going to get particularly nasty when they are, finally, backed into the inevitable corner.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (PAY0n)
YOWZA!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (atmen)
Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (7DG+d)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (ZCool)
The Deep State wants it and the IC is running wild, as it has been for too long.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (V6f9+)
Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (ayzS/)
Then your ship would have to be on-station over the line for an extended period. I expect several countries monitor movements of vessels in the Baltic. And satellites can track ships, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (kHUzq)
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:32 PM (cPDW+)
This.
I don't know anything about Nordstream in general, and I can't trust the MSM or the involved government officials to get any of us up to speed now. So. . . only leaves speculation based on other recent events and narratives.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (7obMn)
Besides, Brandon explicitly said in February that he was going to take the pipelines out if Russia invaded.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (VtqbX)
And Brussels, don't forget Brussels.
Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (hPvGe)
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (Z32m1)
What do nuke tests register? To my mind, 2.3 is in the realm of hardly able to be felt by humans.
Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (7DG+d)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
I see that the "Ukraine is the font of all evil" folks are here.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (ayzS/)
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The Red Chinese -- Hillary's pal, Norman Hsu!
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (yikp0)
To avoid going through Belarus and Poland.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (6eRlp)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (S75wd)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are
Typical Government work! Today is September 27.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (Z32m1)
They're so fvcking dumb they don't realize natural gas is methane which is a far stronger greenhouse gas than CO2. And they're pissing it all into the atmosphere.
Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 27, 2022 12:34 PM (g1EEm)
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (KY22T)
Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (4ENXK)
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Bad Boys at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (Br9Gi)
Russia accomplishes all the pain it wants any time it wants just by turning off the flow. They have no incentive to destroy their own property as it precludes them making money on it for the foreseeable future.
And, oh by the way, creates a massive incentive for the surviving Euros to find some way to heat their homes on their won rather than hoping the Russian gas will be turned back on.
Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (kOpft)
The GOP sucks so bad at politics. Partly because their #1 focus is pissing on their base.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (OalnH)
@greg_price11
1h
They're walking out of school in the most liberal part of Virginia because Glenn Youngkin decided that parental consent should be required before children can be called by a different name or gender in schools and make decisions that could lead to irreversible bodily harm.
https://tinyurl.com/yxjcuta3
Posted by: redridinghood at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (NpAcC)
It wasn't me.
Posted by: Tessio at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (KY22T)
Posted by: US LNG Exporters! at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:09 PM (24fqN)
If things continue to escalate, the world could be reminded that submarines exist...and why.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (z99Zw)
So that Germany controls European energy from Russia, not the Ukraine.
Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (yZlY6)
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (24fqN)
So yeah unless you are a scheduled maintenance ship, stopping will draw attention as in various rescue craft showing up to offer assistance.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (Syqns)
Posted by: Kemp at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (VIwJr)
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (M+Lyo)
********
Meandering
Posted by: Muldoon
Avoiding Poland?
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (sAmhv)
The GOP sucks so bad at politics. Partly because their #1 focus is pissing on their base.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (OalnH)
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And then there's the battleground poll from ABC saying that the GOP is up by 21.
If you are going by polls, you've surely included that in your calculations, no?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander
That's 2.3 on the Richter scale.
Not 2.3 inches.
Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (g1EEm)
Posted by: Roy at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (6thrC)
So. . . an avatar for Crowdstrike?
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (7obMn)
Imagine angrily telling someone you were going to have them killed while you were talking to them in front of an entire football stadium, and the person winds up dead in his dressing room 15 minutes later. But it wasn't you, was it?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:29 PM (b1zbT)
Which was exactly my point. The Pedo in Chief owns this, whether he gave the order or not.
"Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?"
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (kHUzq)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:30 PM (Y+l9t)
Me neither. It is more of goofing on "the joos did it" people.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (yHsuS)
And, oh by the way, creates a massive incentive for the surviving Euros to find some way to heat their homes on their won rather than hoping the Russian gas will be turned back on.
Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (kOpft)
Yes it is rather bad for Russia's negotiating position. They've already shown they'll shut off the gas using normal means, and already had for that matter. Them blowing up their own stuff makes no sense here.
Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (VPWcH)
And we were impressed by the guy urinating on his ex-wife's grave 48 years later.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:37 PM (ayzS/)
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (24fqN)
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (Z32m1)
What do nuke tests register? To my mind, 2.3 is in the realm of hardly able to be felt by humans.
Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM (yHsuS)
Depends on factors like the rock/ mud, distance, and where the boom happens. But 2.3 on many seismometers many kilometers away? BIG BOOM. lots more than a hundred pounds of explosives. Tons of Explosives?
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (7DG+d)
Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (4ENXK)
So do the communist Chinks. There are plenty of links between the ChiComs and and the Green lobby.
I suspect everyone except garrett, who is mostly interested in adding to his Crocs collection.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (JOtiF)
They're walking out of school in the most liberal part of Virginia
Good. The world needs more ditch diggers and gloryhole attendants.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (ZCool)
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What? This can't be. if this was true, our brave media firefighters who have dedicated themselves to rooting out Russian disinformation would have mentioned something about it.
Posted by: Cave Johnson at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (9bp5t)
Posted by: ballistic - They want you dead or in camps. Prepare accordingly. at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (oXNqT)
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Clearly, you have no understanding of how a Feudal System works.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (KY22T)
Woopsie!
Posted by: YIKES! at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (t6XCL)
Ukraine is smashed daily.
In fact, come October 1, it's going to go even more badly for Ukraine.
And maybe for us, if the DC maniacs get their way.
Posted by: DJSmith at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (udu6z)
Posted by: Cave Johnson at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (9bp5t)
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One could even call it Russian collusion.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (bVYXr)
There's no such thing as a conspiracy theory anymore. Everything is plausible, because all the players are bad actors, with dubious motives and no discernible morality.
This is the beginning of the outcome of that wretched John Lennon song, Imagine. Not the dreamworld he and his smelly little commie bit had in mind. Quelle surprise.
Posted by: red speck at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (gS3OW)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Y+l9t)
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (24fqN)
Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (AwYPR)
Blah blah blah they want to skip class and play pretend activist. No doubt organized by the teachers.
So very tired of these lil' tantrums being treated seriously.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (7obMn)
Posted by: Admiral Josh painter at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (0Qrr3)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Y+l9t)
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And ace says there's no threadjacking in ace threads.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:31 PM (Z32m1)
What do nuke tests register? To my mind, 2.3 is in the realm of hardly able to be felt by humans.
Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander"
IIRC when the Russian sub Kursk had it's malfunctions and blew up, it was in the 2.x range. I don't remember exactly but it was noticed by siemologists. It was probably a couple of torpedoes/missiles going off in the torpedo/missile bay IIRC.
Posted by: Scott_T at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (2waQ7)
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (KY22T)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Archimedes at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (ayzS/)
The Dutch, on the other hand…
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (atmen)
Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:38 PM (7DG+d)
I don't believe in Joe Xiden or Electric cars.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (7DG+d)
"A reading from a German Centre for Georesearch seismograph on the Danish island of Bornholm shows two spikes, at 0003 and 1700 GMT, followed by a lower-level 'hissing' on the day when the Nord Stream 1 and 2 Baltic gas pipelines sprang leaks one after the other."
Posted by: Thrawn at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (Rl7KJ)
I'm mystified as to how it's still *possible* to "threadjack" on this topic.
Who the hell cares who "wins" our "elections?"
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (oINRc)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 12:41 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (4ENXK)
The GOP sucks so bad at politics. Partly because their #1 focus is pissing on their base."
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (OalnH)
Because if there's anything we know about polling, they're extremely accurate. Personally I don't think the (R)'s should have the majority in the Senate if they're going to let Mitch be leader but they probably will win, believing in polling is like believing in the tooth fairy.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (qH6FZ)
MILLIONS are going to die. Watch what happens next.
Russia is pissed. China is pissed. It will not end quietly.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (Zz0t1)
The Russians wanted to watch the Germans start to freeze, and then say: "Come, let us make a deal so the pipelines get turned back on and you stop freezing".
That's no longer an option.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)
Ace jacks his own threads ! haha
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (M+Lyo)
Nobody knows what the hell is going on there except the people doing it and even then fog of war. Making definitive statements about who's winning and what is taking place is simply impossible. Both sides lie about it and the media is worthless.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Ivdso)
I think we're all reasonably confident the US can do something like this. Motive-wise, the likely culprits our ourselves and Ukraine. I'm skeptical Ukraine could pull this off, it'd take others providing the resources and need coaching through the process.
Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (VPWcH)
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (KY22T)
Great movie: "Kursk" (201
, aka "The Command."Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (24fqN)
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know
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He seems cogent.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (PAY0n)
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Y+l9t)
Since USA is funding most of this war (and DeepState really wanted the war, with their insistence of Ukraine in NATO) ... seems like we would have been advised/consulted if "our side" did it. Globalists wants Russia destroyed or weakened ... idk.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (q7YwT)
There are forms for these things, by God!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (5r4XQ)
So very tired of these lil' tantrums being treated seriously.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (7obMn)
Just mark the kids as truant for each day they persist in this.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (kHUzq)
New CW: "The Europeans are going to freeze to death this winter, and it's the fault of the Americans."
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (24fqN)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (wmDcS)
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (cAAjW)
Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Y+l9t)
Or electric cars
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (g1EEm)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at September 27, 2022 12:27 PM (zGaBX)
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"Nucular Corn Pop was a bad dude!"'
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (ylLOx)
Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (4ENXK)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (VtqbX)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Y+l9t)
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People need to get over Joe Xiden. He's a bit antagonistic, sure, but he's not a troll.
I agree with him little, but he's definitely one of us. We all cherry pick our information, and he loves his EV. It's fine. Whatever.
At least he's not trying to sell us lace wigs.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (LvTSG)
If you were trying to do it deliberately, but wanted ewoks on the case to think the timing did not make sense, wouldn't you do it that way?
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (5r4XQ)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (KY22T)
Posted by: rhomboid at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM (OTzUX)
And it's not like the pipeline is a moving target or anything, although I would guess that precision underwater navigation would be a technical challenge that would up the technical competence level away from non-state actors.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (VtqbX)
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I don't think anyone is, except that things slow down a bit at the federal level.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (LvTSG)
AND the teachers, suspend them, too. This topic appears to be much more important to them than the majority of the students.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (7obMn)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (0Qrr3)
My money's on Islamic terrorists.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (cAAjW)
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They should have never let Clock Boy build that fourth explosive device.
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (ylLOx)
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (5r4XQ)
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (cPDW+)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at September 27, 2022 12:16 PM (DTX3h)
What it wants is death. War is a means to an end. The WEF has a timetable and the western governments are trying to meet it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (z99Zw)
I remember the two times we walked out of class and stood around "protesting". I cannot remember either time why we allegedly did it, but the real reason for each and every student was "no class!"
We skipped class because we didn't want to attend class, and this was a convenient excuse.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (Ivdso)
The GOP sucks so bad at politics. Partly because their #1 focus is pissing on their base."
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 27, 2022 12:35 PM (OalnH)
Because if there's anything we know about polling, they're extremely accurate. Personally I don't think the (R)'s should have the majority in the Senate if they're going to let Mitch be leader but they probably will win, believing in polling is like believing in the tooth fairy.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 27, 2022 12:42 PM
Read an article the other day which was most likely posted on the MR that said there are only two polling outfits using likely voters, all of the others are using registered voters. After September 1st everyone should be only using likely voters in polling unless they want to skew the real numbers.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (bVYXr)
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Meandering
Posted by: Muldoon
Avoiding Poland?
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:36 PM (sAmhv)
expansion loop
Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (AwYPR)
_Joe Kennedy
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (PAY0n)
Posted by: The ARC of History!
To be fair, this isn't new. They've been doing this for about century, more or less.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (yikp0)
Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (4ENXK)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (Ivdso)
Especially if someone is going to be working on it with torches
Posted by: JD at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (IXlV2)
Posted by: Furious George at September 27, 2022 12:17 PM (CkFy6)
Nah. They've got direct vents to Hell so they'll stay toasty.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (z99Zw)
As I posted on the other thread an got willowed, it's not that difficult to repair a pipeline. Days, if the boats and pipe sections are available, and since they were working on it, they are. OTOH, if you really wanted to put the pipeline out of commission, you would target the compressor stations. Those could take months to repair.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (7B5FA)
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (KY22T)
Posted by: RI Red at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (o33NW)
Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (W+kMI)
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:48 PM (I2/tG)
Posted by: kulak anachronda at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (v3pYe)
Posted by: Tom Clancy at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (xttsV)
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No borders, no enviro quibbling, no digging.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (PAY0n)
Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (6eRlp)
Lotsa "Republicans are gonna lose!" propaganda out there to try to depress R turnout. Ignore it.
Posted by: gp's Dark Energy Acceleration at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (24fqN)
So very tired of these lil' tantrums being treated seriously.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (7obMn)
Just mark the kids as truant for each day they persist in this.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM (kHUzq)
Totally agree. And any teacher involvement needs to reprimanded. They can do it on their own time.
Posted by: Iris at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (NaH5I)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (VtqbX)
Win or lose, were not going to get a Senate controlled by people that that even remotely represents the views of its people or states.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 27, 2022 12:49 PM (qH6FZ)
Posted by: The Biden Administration! at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (I2/tG)
_Joe Kennedy
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:47 PM (PAY0n)
Anyone seen Jawn Carry's yacht lately?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (kHUzq)
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The North Sea doesn't charge rent.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (KY22T)
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A Croc in every pot! [So you'll need at least two pots.]
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (yikp0)
Posted by: Skip's phone at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (7DG+d)
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (f5bDf)
It's common in the industry to store natural gas in pipelines, if for no other reasons than to equalize pressure and because the storage is already paid for.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (7B5FA)
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 27, 2022 12:46 PM (0Qrr3)
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You know, that's a fair comparison. Biden does have a habit of being a blowhard tough guy.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (5pTK/)
Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (ml8cs)
On the other hand, likely to be quite warm! What with the daily riots and burning of cities.
Posted by: Rafal GanGaonwicz at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (Kbz60)
Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Farmer Bob at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (DXJR1)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (u4CEu)
Posted by: Ultra pj at September 27, 2022 12:20 PM (G1dq6)
And this is why, terrible as it is, my field of fucks continues to lie barren.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (z99Zw)
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable still. at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (q7YwT)
Third world sailors crewing container ships regularly cut undersea cables using their anchors and stupidity, but mostly stupidity.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (Z32m1)
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I agree, Schwab and the glo-ballists are to blank. MFers.
Posted by: Haywood at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (fLzDO)
Posted by: Editor at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (LJ80m)
Blah blah blah they want to skip class and play pretend activist. No doubt organized by the teachers.
So very tired of these lil' tantrums being treated seriously.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (7obMn)
When I was in high school I would have welcomed any reason to "walk out" with no punishment. What a treat!
Posted by: LASue at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (Ed8Zd)
IIRC when Schroeder stepped down as chancellor he got hired almost immediately by Nord Stream as their vice chairman.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (7B5FA)
.. the USA would have missed an opportunity to retake Cuba
Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Puddleglum a
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You'd think they would have extra pairs of long john's and sweaters by now.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (PAY0n)
"it cuts off our strategic supply of nubile cuties, access to Ukranian banks and investments for money laundering, and graft! Don't you see how this hurts us?"
--Elites
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (Ivdso)
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (Z32m1)
The pipelines are a bit more durable than cables.
Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (VPWcH)
Americans are going to be really unpopular in Europe by then.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (I2/tG)
Also, Russia isn't losing badly. They may not being winning as well as they had hope, but they aren't losing.
Posted by: WiNO at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (WVeiZ)
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:51 PM (Z32m1)
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Hmm, massive anchor, large ship - trolling for pipeline.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at September 27, 2022 12:52 PM (5pTK/)
Posted by: garrett at September 27, 2022 12:25 PM (kE7ZK)
The Sea Monkeys are getting their revenge for decades of their people being shipped around the US to die in the neglected Mason jars of eight-year-old kids.
Posted by: spindrift at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (h5TKJ)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:45 PM (VtqbX)
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If the gopE picks up 6-8 seats something might come out of the senate as there are at least 5 republican senators that will vote with the donks on anything major.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (u4CEu)
The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens
One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)
If we were doing it, we would target the difficult-to-repair pieces of the infrastructure, like the compressor stations. We wouldn't waste our time on the pipe.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (7B5FA)
For accurate info read Rich Baris and Robert Cahaly. Trustworthy sources. All the polling and rhetoric is not going to change the reality of what is happening across the country.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (Y+l9t)
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Or electric cars
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:44 PM
He sub-contracted.
Buy Electric Vehicles already, you rubes!
Posted by: Electric Vehicle Guy at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (xttsV)
Honestly? Pretty much anyone. Any state actor has this capacity and and any group who can bodge together a depth charge and a timer. I think all you would need after that would be a fishing boat, a GPS, and a magnetometer you can drag behind the boat to make sure you're on top of the pipeline.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (eyxn4)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (rFqzq)
The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens
One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)
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I thought it was my sick 2 year old. He's been on quite a tear recently.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)
Unless they all happened to show up at the same time, ala the various groups in Life of Brian.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (wmDcS)
50 million freezing Germans gone take it out on somebody somewhere.
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (0Qrr3)
Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (ml8cs)
Well Ukraine is a nice platform to attack most of Russia's most populated and valuable territory, so if we went to war with Russia in the future that'd be a significant loss of potential operating capabilities. Otherwise, Ukraine is kind of immaterial to us.
Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (VPWcH)
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (M+Lyo)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:39 PM (Ivdso)
Which they notably do every time he talks out of line.
How many retractions were made regarding his threat against NS?
Posted by: Methos at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (kOpft)
Article and infographic on Israel Dolphin II sub and possible vertical launch capability.
https://tinyurl.com/5xdr9k6p
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (yHsuS)
Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (RHGPo)
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iirc central and western Ukraine is a wheat bread basket and the eastern part is chock full of minerals and carbon based resources.
Probably affects us as our production affects that part of the world.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (PAY0n)
Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (4ENXK)
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The North Sea doesn't charge rent.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (KY22T)
It does not steal gas from the pipeline (cough, *ukraine* cough) and refuse to pay for it.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (VtqbX)
The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens
One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
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You forgot Ghost Ship.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (KY22T)
Romney, Collins, and Murkowski will become our Manchin and Synema. The tragic thing about that is that every Democrat senator is stupid, because they all could demand their tribute for their vote.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (7B5FA)
wouldn't want to depress the leftists!
meanwhile PLEASE do not listen to Moo Moo re: polling. or anything really but especially not that
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (w0NJk)
Posted by: spindrift at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (h5TKJ)
One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)
Hah you made me think of a cartoon where they all arrive at the pipeline at the same time. So many captions.
Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (ml8cs)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 12:56 PM (Ivdso)
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I have hopes for a GOP majority in the Senate, since there are probably enough pissed off non-Democrat voters to override Democrat cheating, while some young Democrats stay home. Now whether or not McConnell is going to use the new majority to actually control the Senate and have it actually oppose the junta is something to discuss.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 12:56 PM (W+kMI)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 12:56 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Girl Power Sub Commander at September 27, 2022 12:33 PM
Length or girth?
Posted by: Arthur, King of the Britons at September 27, 2022 12:56 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (KFhLj)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (VtqbX)
wouldn't want to depress the leftists!
meanwhile PLEASE do not listen to Moo Moo re: polling. or anything really but especially not that
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (w0NJk)
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They could switch the guaranteed voters and still get it wrong because they build in assumptions about voting patterns that are all wrong. "The white working class won't turn out because Dobbs depressed their zeal," or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Admiral Josh painter at September 27, 2022 12:40 PM (0Qrr3)
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When you heard F. Joe was installed, I think you said "This asshole will get out of control. He will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it." Or something ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (ylLOx)
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It would be like someone breaking into Congress's lock boxes and stealing all the contents.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (wBpKf)
Probably affects us as our production affects that part of the world.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (PAY0n)
Ukraine's energy resources are pretty small. They are a major grain producer but that puts them in competition with us more than anything else.
Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (VPWcH)
Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (W+kMI)
Posted by: LadyBug at September 27, 2022 12:57 PM (4ENXK)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 27, 2022 12:54 PM (rFqzq)
You asked for it.......
https://youtu.be/z5rRZdiu1UE
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (Zz0t1)
Their timeline was to have the reactor decommissioned by the end of this year. I think that means they can't bring it back up for a while.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (eyxn4)
Posted by: spindrift at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (h5TKJ)
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Dolley is mad at me that I damaged our new CX-5 so soon after getting it.
I tried to tell her that I was getting in with the elites, but she just doesn't understand geopolitics.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon
Gasprom which owns NS.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (IyrhE)
Is it possible the Nordstreams blew themselves up?
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (kfcYC)
Posted by: jhawk90 at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (ExMA7)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:43 PM (Y+l9t)
Err ... yes ... um ... quite ...
that bastard..
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: DJIA Deathwatch at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (WirFM)
And what do you think they will do differently than the D senate is doing now?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (VtqbX)
One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)
Hah you made me think of a cartoon where they all arrive at the pipeline at the same time. So many captions.
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Anyone think it might be SPECTRE acting through its WEF stalking horse?
Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (W+kMI)
The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens
One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
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You forgot Ghost Ship.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (KY22T)
or the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Posted by: Kim Jong-Un, Ain't I A Stinker? at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (4I/2K)
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I'm just glad they're not editing or considered a publisher.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (0RhaS)
"A reading from a German Centre for Georesearch seismograph on the Danish island of Bornholm shows two spikes, at 0003 and 1700 GMT, followed by a lower-level 'hissing' on the day when the Nord Stream 1 and 2 Baltic gas pipelines sprang leaks one after the other."
Posted by: Thrawn
Have they ruled out any there being any US Navy vessels like, say, a submarine, being in the area and under the con of one or more persons racked with emotional instability about who plays the romantic leads in this week's on board production of "A Streetcar Named Desire"?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (pNxlR)
And what do you think they will do differently than the D senate is doing now?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy, Christian Nationalist, Defiant! at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (VtqbX)
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Are you forgetting the great theater we're going to get of the failure variety?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (yQpMk)
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The President of the United States literally promised he would do this.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (0RhaS)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (wmDcS)
Posted by: Welcome to Wokistan MFers at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (2LUbx)
Posted by: ManBearPig at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (4ENXK)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)
The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens
One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)
Add Britain, Poland, Sweden, and Norway. All have the capability, and a motive. Example 1: Norway is opening a new natural gas line to Poland tomorrow. Example 2: Poland hates both Germany and Russia after they teamed up to kill millions of poles.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (Z32m1)
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I'd be okay if Russia puts a hot one up Zuckerberg's ass. Tit for Tat.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (KY22T)
How are you going to store $200 million of natural gas? (assuming you were able to suck it back out of the pipeline)
I wonder if they have any valves under the Baltic to isolate the losses. They have to, right?
Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (Sv58p)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (Ivdso)
We're having HVAC problems.
Low coolant. They claim the coil may be leaking and coolant "switch" is frozen over. the unit is a Tappan, which is over 17 years old. They say the coil needs replacing at a cost of $3500.
The coils is no longer made so putting in a "frankenstein" coil from a different manufacturer is what they would do. or, a new system(!). Roughly, $10K.
Or we can put in coolant and see how long it lasts. Roughly $400.
Okay, so do these prices sound about right for the DFW area?
I was shown pictures of the "rust" around the coils. But, the coils are copper and the "unit" is aluminum. I don't see how there could be rust. Maybe another reddish corrosion?
Anyway, if we choose the worst option which is a new HVAC unit. Who makes the best system? Carrier, Lennox, Trane, Amana(?). Which would you get and why if there's a good reason.
Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (KLPy8)
The German government can tell it's subjects that nothing can be done about gas prices, no matter how angry they get or how loud they protest.
Posted by: Lumpy at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (yX7iI)
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (cPDW+)
The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens
One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
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You forgot Ghost Ship.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 12:55 PM (KY22T)
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And Sharknado.
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (ylLOx)
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She was showing too much leg. She deserved what she got. Karma Police.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (KY22T)
Posted by: A Certain Black Lesbian White House Spokesperson at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (RxA/X)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2022 12:28 PM (a3Q+t)
Why, back when I was an operator, we snuck into a McDonalds in Moscow and broke their shake machine. Totally undetected. -- Eyepatch McCain
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (z99Zw)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (Y+l9t)
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Dave in Fla should make another Post to help clear things up.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (PAY0n)
Alec Baldwin Appears Devastated As He Lists $29 Million Hampton Home Before Facing Possible Criminal Charges Over “Rust” Shooting
Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 27, 2022 12:59 PM (wmDcS)
If it were once, maybe. It'd be quite coincidental timing but conceivable. This goes beyond plausible coincidence though.
Posted by: Someguy's at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (VPWcH)
Posted by: Nordstreams I and II at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (Sv58p)
One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 27, 2022 12:53 PM (cPDW+)
Hah you made me think of a cartoon where they all arrive at the pipeline at the same time. So many captions.
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Anyone think it might be SPECTRE acting through its WEF stalking horse?
Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (W+kMI)
KAOS! Missed it by thaaaaattt much...
Posted by: Maxwell Smart at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: lowandslow at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (qH6FZ)
Posted by: Just Lily at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (pIiua)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (z99Zw)
S&P 500 and DOW hit fresh 52 week lows today. I don't think we can take anymore Biden economic "wins."
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (u4CEu)
Alec Baldwin Appears Devastated As He Lists $29 Million Hampton Home Before Facing Possible Criminal Charges Over “Rust” Shooting
Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (RHGPo)
He will move to a non extradition country first.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (Zz0t1)
A scrapper dropped two fully equipped and charged EVs atop the pipeline(s) and wouldn't you know, the damn things caught fire and blowed up.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at September 27, 2022 01:02 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: Picric at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (m7R/h)
The track of #MajorHurricaneIan may still be adjusted to the east or southeast, but the area of extreme winds will be very large and damaging.
Most recent NWS forecast shows gusts 100-120 mph in Tampa Bay extending inland > hurricane force.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (IyrhE)
Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (Sv58p)
I suspect Macy's.
Posted by: A Certain Black Lesbian White House Spokesperson at September 27, 2022 01:01 PM (RxA/X)
It was Gimble's all along...
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Pull my finger...
Posted by: Eric Swalwell at September 27, 2022 01:03 PM (S5jV/)
Yes. The downside is that the pipe fills up with water, which is heavy to evacuate. On land, it's SOP that if there's a fire, to just shut off the section and let it burn itself out.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 01:04 PM (7B5FA)
Look at the Russian response. When Ukraine has success. The Russians first deny, then call it an accident, then only admit it when social media exposed them. If Russia credits Ukraine right off,v then you know Russia was behind it
Posted by: Welcome to Wokistan MFers at September 27, 2022 01:04 PM (2LUbx)
And what do you think they will do differently than the D senate is doing now?
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As I inferred in the second half of my statement, which you may or may not have read, that's the real topic to be discussed. The Biden junta has managed to give the GOP the midterms on a plate. What the GOP intends to do with said wins is important.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 01:04 PM (W+kMI)
Posted by: Catherine at September 27, 2022 01:04 PM (ZSsrh)
At which point you all laughed uproariously.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 27, 2022 01:04 PM (a3Q+t)
It's about time. He promised to move if Bush got reelected.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 27, 2022 01:05 PM (7B5FA)
Shutting Down Nord Stream Marks the Point of No Return for Russian Gas, by Sergey Vakulenko, 7/09/22
Posted by: Lola at September 27, 2022 01:05 PM (NIYa7)
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Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:06 PM (RHGPo)
We're in rural Northern AZ, and last time our HVAC was serviced, we were told that -- since it's freon-based -- if it ever needs recharging they'd have to replace the entire unit & system (even piping) for about $10,000 as well ... you know, for the great Ozone Hole Hoax in the Sky.
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 27, 2022 01:06 PM (ylLOx)
I would be more than a little surprised..
You know who has an even bigger stake in stopping Russian NG? Western NG producers. They are selling NG at 4 times the amount they were less than 2 years ago.. and it is costing then not once cent more to produce it..
Gotta love me some windfall profits!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2022 01:06 PM (2W+1k)
The U.S., Russia, Ukraine, ecoterrorists, Muslims, Israel, China, white supremacists, the WEF the Welsh, and aliens
One of these guesses may be correct, but not all of them.
>>You forgot Ghost Ship.
>>And Sharknado.
Climate change-obsessed tech billionaire (e.g. Samuel Jackson in Kinsman)!!
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 01:07 PM (7obMn)
Posted by: JTwig at September 27, 2022 01:08 PM (X2egF)
Likely only in my dreams, unfortunately too many Germans have reached terminal stupidity.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 27, 2022 01:08 PM (fs1hN)
Poland and Norway opened a new gas pipeline via Denmark on Tuesday, hailed as a much-needed alternative to Russian-controlled routes. At a ceremony in Poland, Norway’s Energy Minister Terje Aasland said the opening of Baltic Pipe was “a milestone on the important path towards European independence
Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:08 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (KLPy
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Just replaced our units last year due to the same thing. Once any of the coils gets a pinhole in it, you're screwed with an older unit, because they use the old refrigerant that was actually good.
17 years is approaching the useful lifespan of any unit. Usually you'd be lucky to get 20ish years out of them. Our conked out at 21 years.
Once you start bodging them together you're probably buying yourself another 5 years or so, at which point you're replacing it anyway. I live by "Buy once, cry once" and so had them both replaced. One four-ton and one 4.5-ton unit, to the tune of ~$9k each.
Posted by: ballistic - They want you dead or in camps. Prepare accordingly. at September 27, 2022 01:08 PM (oXNqT)
https://tinyurl.com/ycknz6yw
Posted by: exdem13 at September 27, 2022 01:08 PM (W+kMI)
Posted by: ShainS
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We just had our unit totally replaced and they did not have to change piping. Our pipes are embedded in our slab, so the costs to do so would have been enormous.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2022 01:09 PM (2W+1k)
Their timeline was to have the reactor decommissioned by the end of this year. I think that means they can't bring it back up for a while.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2022 12:58 PM (eyxn4)
Latest is Germany is running them until April. Want to bet they are running at 50% output by March?
They will need to be refueled, and NO, Germany has not ordered any new fuel. They may be able to get new nuclear fuel in a year or two, if they started ordering it yesterday. Those European reactors are F---ed! for years!
They need new fuel, likely major new parts and refurbishments too. Want to bet they cannibalized parts from shutdown plants to maintain the operating plants? We regularly did that here in the US.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 01:09 PM (Z32m1)
Posted by: SMOD at September 27, 2022 01:09 PM (RHGPo)
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I can finally return to visit America's Hat. Unfortunately Trudeau and his voters f*d the country up enough that I'm not sure I want to visit.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 27, 2022 01:10 PM (fs1hN)
And what about the truckers - still required to be vaccinated? Is Trudeau just going to slide past that scandal, pretend like he and his government didn't destroy the livelihoods and steal the bank accounts of those who defied his earlier order?
Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2022 01:11 PM (7obMn)
The maps and specs are out there and the technology to zero in on the target (pipeline).
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:11 PM (PAY0n)
https://tinyurl.com/bdh698hv
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 27, 2022 01:11 PM (yikp0)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2022 01:09 PM (2W+1k)
Replace the pipes YET. The new refrigerants are more corrosive than the old. Good luck.
Posted by: rd at September 27, 2022 01:11 PM (Z32m1)
My grandfather legally immigrated from Bornholm. Small world
Posted by: clutch at September 27, 2022 01:13 PM (9UmRs)
Anyway, if we choose the worst option which is a new HVAC unit. Who makes the best system? Carrier, Lennox, Trane, Amana(?). Which would you get and why if there's a good reason.
Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2022 01:00 PM (KLPy
I replaced my whole unit w/Trane sys...good warranty, $8k about 6 years ago. The "contractor grade" original unit only lasted about 6 years..."Goodman" I think...coil corrosion like your description.
Posted by: BignJames at September 27, 2022 01:14 PM (AwYPR)
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Trane is a bit pricey up front but they really are good units. I've seen carriers last a long time, too. Good luck.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 27, 2022 01:14 PM (kdaxe)
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I had the same situation in Illinois, couldn't get an appointment (online reservation system never showed anything available) so I just showed up in person at the DMV at a non-busy time and they accommodated me. Got lucky I guess.
Posted by: Bigsmith at September 27, 2022 01:17 PM (FS7lC)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monste
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Two groups, liars or fools who believe the lies.
Honesty comes from the main stream so rare one can't believe it's true.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:23 PM (PAY0n)
Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at September 27, 2022 01:24 PM (Vu7A1)
Look, Biden is belligerent but incompetent. Ukraine has no access to the black sea, and has their hands full.
Poland, Latvia, and Finland have been informed that they are next on Russia's list. All three have strongly supported Ukraine in the fight. And all three have been strongly against the Russian gas lines. Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki strongly opposed it.
Means (Poland has ships and access to the Baltic Sea), motive (they were against it, and fear it increases the chance Poland will be invaded), and opportunity (right off their coast, nobody watching). Poland has all three.
Posted by: Inspector kemp at September 27, 2022 01:25 PM (+DS2f)
1st in Europe in proven recoverable uranium ore reserves;
2nd in Europe in titanium ore reserves;
2nd in the world (12%) in explored reserves of manganese ore reserves;
2nd in the world in iron ore reserves;
2nd in Europe in mercury ore reserves;
3rd in Europe in shale gas reserves;
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th in the world in coal reserves;
10th in the world in titanium ore reserves;
13th in the world in shale gas reserves.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:26 PM (PAY0n)
Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2022 12:50 PM (ml8cs)
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Uglier mail order brides?
Posted by: wth at September 27, 2022 01:26 PM (v0R5T)
Our contractor told us they have bins with boxes of logos at the warehouse. They slap on the logo they are selling that day to the exact same unit that might sell for thousands more.
This dealer describes the practice:
https://tinyurl.com/2e59xhzf
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2022 01:27 PM (2W+1k)
This was in USSR territorial waters. Risky as hec.
So yeah our guys could have done it, but you'd have never been able to detect it on a seismograph.
I also note this event has had ZERO effect on natgas futures.
My guess, US not the culprit.
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at September 27, 2022 01:28 PM (MkuC5)
1st in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;2nd in the world in barley production;
4th in the world in barley exports; _3rd in the world in production of corn; _4th in the world in corn exports;
7th in the world in soybean production _4th in the world in potato production; _ 5th in the world in rye production; _ 5th in the world in bee production;
8th in the world in wheat exports;
9th in the world in production of chicken eggs;
16th in the world in cheese exports
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:29 PM (PAY0n)
https://tinyurl.com/2fzp6lg9
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2022 01:30 PM (2W+1k)
3rd in Europe in installed capacity of nuclear power plants; _3rd in Europe in rail network length;
3rd in the world in production of locators and locating equipment; _ 3rd in the world in exportation of iron;
4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world;
4th in the world in exporting turbines for nuclear power plants; _ 4th in the world in manufacturing of rocket launchers; _ 4th in the world in clay exports;
4th in the world in titanium exports;
8th in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
8th in the world in installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
9th in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th in the world in steel production;
11th in the world in rail network length.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:31 PM (PAY0n)
Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at September 27, 2022 01:33 PM (MkuC5)
Ukraine is busy crooks
Numbers show why Mr. Putin wants Ukraine in his loving arms. Ukraine crooks do much better than big mother Russia.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:34 PM (PAY0n)
Posted by: ShainS
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That's complete BS. Old Freon is recycled and is still readily available, albeit expensive.
Posted by: Bigsmith at September 27, 2022 01:37 PM (FS7lC)
That's complete BS. Old Freon is recycled and is still readily available, albeit expensive.
Posted by: Bigsmith
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Price filling up your unit with recycled freon and you'll be ready for a new unit.
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Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 27, 2022 01:40 PM (PAY0n)
Posted by: Lola at September 27, 2022 01:55 PM (NIYa7)
Posted by: pawn at September 27, 2022 01:55 PM (kYVzH)
Posted by: Lord Percy at September 27, 2022 01:59 PM (iSbhf)
Posted by: paul at September 27, 2022 02:02 PM (9f7IQ)
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fuck'em both
Posted by: tommylotto at September 27, 2022 02:02 PM (6QQM8)
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Posted by: Syracuse1989 at September 27, 2022 02:34 PM (exm8+)
We replaced a Carrier with another Carrier in 2016 for 8k.The old one lasted 25 years and we haven't had any problems with our current one.
Don't know much about other brands except York. A friend has had problems with his.
Posted by: Editor at September 27, 2022 02:44 PM (LJ80m)
1. The Danish island of Bornholm is actually closer to Sweden, Germany, and Poland than to any other part of Denmark, so the explosions were further east than you might be thinking.
2. By an amazing coincidence, there is another pipeline passing near Bornholm which officially opened today, though the gas isn't supposed to start flowing until Saturday, the 1st. It crosses the Russian pipelines and will bring Norway's abundant supplies of natural gas across the Baltic to Poland, from which some will be piped on to other countries. That will greatly ease the gas shortage the Russians and someone else (?) have created in Europe by first cutting off the NordStream pipelines and then blowing them up.
That's a point in favor of thinking the Russians blew up their own pipelines. If they weren't planning to reopen them, and they are planning to blow up the Norway-Poland pipeline to really screw the West, blowing up their own makes a good alibi: "Whoever blew up theirs must be the same ones who blew up ours, we couldn't possibly have wanted to blow up ours, therefore someone else must have blown up theirs (probably the US or Ukraine), QED."
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Posted by: Dr. Weevil at September 27, 2022 03:04 PM (p6eON)
3. Ukraine has almost nothing in the way of a navy, and certainly no submarines - Russia stole their navy when they stole Crimea. Super-fit young Ukrainian men with a military bearing renting boats in a Baltic seaport, hauling heavy footlockers aboard, and going out without any local guides in the middle of the night would likely have attracted attention. So, US did it for Ukraine? Conceivable. Ukraine did it themselves? Incredible.
4. Another plausible suspect: China. (Not my idea: somebody on Twitter said it first.) Thanks to sanctions, they're already getting plenty of oil from Russia at half the world market price. Doing the same for the price of natural gas would really help them out, while screwing Russia, Germany, and all the rest of Europe. It's a win-win-win. Would blowing up the Norway-Poland pipeline help them, too? Hard to tell.
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Posted by: Dr. Weevil at September 27, 2022 03:16 PM (p6eON)
From which I presume it is now commercially available, or criminally available and in improved models.
225' is pretty deep and considered in some cases a "technical" dive and verging on dangerous. Which means a professional diver with extensive training working at 300' could get down there. Don't need official for anything.
Water being incompressible, you don't need as much explosive power to do damage as in the air. Still, blowing a hole in a curved surface would take less power with a shaped charge and thus less stuff to haul around than just a pile of Semtex or something. So a turn or two around the pipeline and off you go to decompress and the whole operation has a smaller footprint. And that's from a surface craft.
The smaller the necessary operation, the larger the roster of capable suspects.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 27, 2022 03:39 PM (dSnnl)
Posted by: hurricane567 at September 27, 2022 04:26 PM (3Hu8O)
Posted by: A. Landmesser at September 27, 2022 04:29 PM (EcD5Y)
Russia: see #476
Poland: see #456
China: see #477
US: see #60
there had better be good security on that new Norway/Poland pipeline.
Posted by: DenverGregg at September 27, 2022 04:39 PM (Is0+m)
Posted by: Charlotte at September 27, 2022 05:14 PM (slxQi)
Who would want to sabotage peace talks? Who did it in the past?
Who wants Europe to freeze this winter? Who is trying to reset the European civilization?
Hmmmmmm.
Posted by: ruralcounsel at September 27, 2022 05:20 PM (96wFa)
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 27, 2022 05:25 PM (x61Im)
First, it would be a great excuse to steal another election. Can’t ask Americans to go in person to vote when there are tactical nuclear exchanges going on. It’ll have to be another mail-in election, which Dems have already proved they can steal.
Posted by: Alec Rawls at September 27, 2022 05:42 PM (wh9C3)
I replaced mine with a Goodman 2-stage. Goodman is a less expensive brand, but seems to be well made. I especially liked the 2-stage feature.
My old single stage system would come on full fan and full heat, quickly bring the house up to temp, then shut off. Very uneven. Wind-noise-hot, then dropping to cold, wind-noise-hot, drop to cold.
Posted by: Alec Rawls at September 27, 2022 07:29 PM (wh9C3)
Posted by: Mary at September 27, 2022 07:30 PM (j1m71)
Smoothed out my heating so it was barely noticeable. When it's just starting to get cold outside the heater never gets out of the first (half-heat) stage.
Actually my house remains on first stage pretty much all winter. If a house is decently insulated, it doesn't take a lot of heat to keep it up to temperature. The second stage only needs to come into play when it is really cold out.
So don't go super cheap and get an old fashioned single stage. 2-stage units are hardly more expensive and are much better.
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