Thread Before the Gardening Thread, September 10

California, Energy and Gavin Newsom

Newsom Promises There Will Be Enough Electricity For All Californians After Everyone Moves To Florida

Governor Gavin Newsom has declared a power grid emergency due to energy usage being at a 5-year high. Still, Newsom has assured everyone that they will have plenty of electricity to spare as soon as everyone leaves the state to live in Florida instead.
"Everyone, I understand your frustration, but by the end of the year with everyone leaving California, we're gonna cut our energy usage in half!" explained Governor Newsom. "In fact, so many are headed for Florida that the few of us who remain will be able to do cool stuff like use air conditioning and charge iPhones!"

But he had just been campaigning in Florida!

Newsom invites Floridians to trade their affordable energy for

*checks notes*

Rotating power outages pic.twitter.com/MAOwvh03br
— John Hasson (@SonofHas) September 6, 2022

Gavin Newsom REALLY wants to be president. Back at the end of August, Joel Kotkin warned conservatives not to dismiss the potential national appeal of this guy, because he is willing to change his positions to fit any political occasion.

Conservatives often see prospective presidential contender Gavin Newsom as a tool of the far Left--and, as such, politically doomed by the seemingly endless crises afflicting California. Yet the Golden State governor is a more formidable candidate than this portrayal suggests. Rather than being a progressive windup doll, the 54-year-old is in fact a skilled political opportunist, with far less dogmatically left-wing views than most of his party's legislative delegation. He would have no qualms abandoning unpopular progressive stances to pursue the goal of succeeding a doddering President Joe Biden.
In just the last week, Newsom provided two indicators of his flexibility. He vetoed a bill that would have legalized "shooting alleys"--so-called safe drug-injection sites--in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Oakland. Many of his progressive allies, who favor such programs, denounced the veto. They may be untroubled by rising street crime and drug overdoses, but Newsom knows that disorder in California's major cities offers a devastating talking point for his opponents--especially those to his right.

Even more striking was Newsom's recent turnaround on California's last nuclear plant, and even its gas plants. The green constituency in California detests both forms of energy production and even seeks to ban gas stations, gas heaters, and anything else tainted by fossil fuels. California's green policies have helped make its energy prices among the nation's highest and have created conditions likely to cause massive energy shortages on the power grid. Large-scale blackouts and brownouts could also become fodder for anti-Newsom political ads in 2024.
Newsom's recent moves on public safety and energy have outraged California progressives, particularly the powerful green lobby, which denounced his energy move as "incredibly dangerous." (California's greenhouse-gas emissions are statistically meaningless next to those of China, which emits more carbon than all other industrial countries combined.) Newsom knows that green pronunciamentos about the distant future--for example, the recently announced ban on the sale of new gas cars after 2035, and the goal (set in 2018 by his predecessor) of relying on a zero-carbon electric grid in 2045--make better politics than trying to shut down an economy that still depends on fossil fuels today. Newsom spokesman Anthony York suggested that the alternative policies proposed by greens "feels like fantasy and fairy dust."
Yet none of Newsom's recent moves should be surprising. He is, after all, not the product of the radical social-justice crowd but the anointed candidate of the Bay Area's uber class. . .

Speaking of changing positions:

Joe Biden Applied Pressure On Gavin Newsom Over Farmworker Union Bill

“(I) cannot support an untested mail-in election process that lacks critical provisions to protect the integrity of the election…”
—@GavinNewsom https://t.co/0J5x8GvYnE pic.twitter.com/oFcxvNNzaw
— Larry Elder (@larryelder) September 10, 2022

But some things stay the same:

I've been warning for years: this is NOT a contradiction. The hard Left knows perfectly well that our power grids could not support massive electric vehicle use. They're COUNTING on it. They don't want you peons moving around so much. https://t.co/yuWBmcSU7n
— John Hayward (@Doc_0) August 31, 2022

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Queen Elizabeth

I liked this piece by Brendan O'Neill:

I am a republican, always have been, and yet I now feel a great sense of loss. And not only because a 96-year-old mother, grandmother and great-grandmother has died, which is always an occasion for sadness, whether the deceased was a monarch or an 'ordinary' member of the public. No, also because Elizabeth II represented something incredibly important. She embodied values that are at risk of extinction. She represented history in an era of anti-historical hysteria, forbearance in a time of narcissism, and public service in an era of self-worship and self-regard.
That was the great irony of Elizabeth II: she was the pinnacle of the establishment and yet she bristled, with every fibre of her being, against the values of the new establishment. She was accidentally countercultural, a traditionalist rebel, and I, for one, loved her for it.
This is the end of an era in so many ways. . .

Several interesting and specific examples are included. This is one of them:

I will remember her for representing a connection with the past when we were so often instructed to feel ashamed of the past. For being the personification of history in a time of frenzy, when statues were being torn down, and buildings were being renamed, and shade was being cast upon virtually every era of Britain's past.
In the midst of this turn against history, the Queen provided people with a connection to yesteryear. She was history made flesh, a quiet one-woman revolt against the idea that the past was entirely terrible and that we must sever all links with it.

In contrast to the piece above, there's this:

George Floyd had four full funerals, several cities were ritually burned in his memory, and the ceremonial revenge murders are still dragging on. pic.twitter.com/x5J7uBNrdC
— Dr. Benjamin Braddock (@GraduatedBen) September 9, 2022

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Quotes

Mark Hemingway:

Regarding the BYU incident, there's no getting around the fact that huge swaths of the media have completely abandoned all reasonable standards.
And these news orgs are going to eagerly keep smearing people until they're aggressively made to pay for it.

Richard Fernandez:

Almost none of the crazy people or movements I knew got better. All you could do is survive them so you wouldn't get caught in the wreck. I think its like that with decadence.
Run.

James Lileks:

On hold with a multi-billion dollar financial institution whose hold music is apparently piped through a Mattel Speak-and-Spell with dying batteries. Also, they cannot afford more than 12 bars of music

James Lileks again:

Watching childhood fave "Fantastic Voyage," in which a USSR defector has a brain clot, and the natural reaction is not "Walter Reed Hospital, and step on it" but "drive to the secret place where we will inject a bacterium-sized Raquel Welch into his vein"

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Music

Sweet Georgia Brown

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

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Last week's Thread, September 3, Maybe we should be teaching kids to read

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

Addendum from Dr_No:

And especially for Californians:

Posted by: K.T. at 11:04 AM

Comments

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1 Happy Saturday everyone

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 10, 2022 11:06 AM (k8B25)

2 Gavin Newsom: Move to CA and experience abortion by candlelight!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:06 AM (5pTK/)

3 Look up oleaginous in the dictionary and you'll find a pic of Newsom.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:06 AM (Qzn2/)

4 James Lileks: On hold with a multi-billion dollar financial institution whose hold music is apparently piped through a Mattel Speak-and-Spell with dying batteries. Also, they cannot afford more than 12 bars of music.

Yeah, I hate that. Or where they interrupt every 10 or 15 seconds to say, "Your call is important to us...". Just let the damned music play until a REAL person is on the line, Damnit! Everytime you interrupt the music, I think there might be a live one...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:07 AM (ynpvh)

5 I especially liked how there was a formal statement from Balmoral explicitly forbidding Black Folk from mourning the pure white Queen...

(/sarc)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 11:07 AM (6FeV1)

6 2 Gavin Newsom: Move to CA and experience abortion by candlelight!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:06 AM (5pTK/)

How romantic!--PP

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:08 AM (ynpvh)

7 "Daddy, what did people in California use to clean up sidewalks before they had brooms?"

"Leaf blowers."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:08 AM (Qzn2/)

8 Shouldn't it be called Planned Unparenthood?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 11:08 AM (6FeV1)

9 3 Look up oleaginous in the dictionary and you'll find a pic of Newsom.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:06 AM (Qzn2/)

More oil in that one than an Elephant seal...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:08 AM (ynpvh)

10 Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:06 AM

But at least it's olive oil!

Posted by: KT at September 10, 2022 11:09 AM (rrtZS)

11 The good Dr. (PhD) Jackson is an imbecile.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 10, 2022 11:09 AM (LsEU/)

12 Regarding the BYU incident, there's no getting around the fact that huge swaths of the media have completely abandoned all reasonable standards.

Hoax hate crimes need to be prosecuted as hate crimes, because they are hate crimes.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:10 AM (I2/tG)

13 Watching childhood fave "Fantastic Voyage," in which a USSR defector has a brain clot, and the natural reaction is not "Walter Reed Hospital, and step on it" but "drive to the secret place where we will inject a bacterium-sized Raquel Welch into his vein"

Well, Raquel Welch was more likely to get a response from him...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:11 AM (ynpvh)

14 Nice juxtaposition of the bear's tongue and Newsoms ear in the pic, although it would have been better if the bear was wiping his ass on Newsom's face.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:11 AM (Qzn2/)

15 I'm guessing Ms. Jackson doesn't think much of MLK.

Or, Booker T Washington.

How about Harriet Tubman?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:12 AM (5pTK/)

16 12 Regarding the BYU incident, there's no getting around the fact that huge swaths of the media have completely abandoned all reasonable standards.

Hoax hate crimes need to be prosecuted as hate crimes, because they are hate crimes.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:10 AM (I2/tG)

This has been the case for a looong time. As long as the hoax supports the "right" kind of people, it gets supported, e.g. Jussie Smollet.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:12 AM (ynpvh)

17 “Doctor ” Jackson does not capitalize. Cuz that is racism of course, lol.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:12 AM (cUyuS)

18 14 Nice juxtaposition of the bear's tongue and Newsoms ear in the pic, although it would have been better if the bear was wiping his ass on Newsom's face.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:11 AM (Qzn2/)

LOL. Missed that.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:13 AM (ynpvh)

19 "Daddy, what's this weird engine-tube thing in the garage for?"

"Once upon a time, you could put a fluid called 'gasoline' in there, and it would run the motor and blow air out. We used it for blowing leaves off the sidewalks."

".... what are 'leaves'?"

"Once upon a time, there were these tall plants made of wood called Trees, that would drop their leaves on the ground in the Fall. We had to cut them all down to burn to keep warm when all the gasoline went away."

"... what in the hell did you people do to us back then, Daddy?!?!?!"

"Well, some evil people voted for a very evil person named Trump. Then the world died."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 11:13 AM (6FeV1)

20 Fantastic Voyage was a childhood favorite, actually watched within the last year and it's OK but not the spectacle it was as a kid. But Raquel is still great to watch.

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 11:13 AM (k8B25)

21 14 Nice juxtaposition of the bear's tongue and Newsoms ear in the pic, although it would have been better if the bear was wiping his ass on Newsom's face.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:11 AM (Qzn2/)

My first thought was literally "MLEM!!!!"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 11:14 AM (6FeV1)

22 The good Dr. (PhD) Jackson is an imbecile.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 10, 2022 11:09 AM (LsEU/)

Evil, stunned cnut. Also true.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 11:14 AM (XrSIM)

23 "drive to the secret place where we will inject a bacterium-sized Raquel Welch into his vein"

I liked the MAD Magazine parody (quoting from memory):

I'm the Captain, and I'm on this expedition because I'm a famous sailor!

I'm the Researcher, and I'm on this expedition because I'm a famous scientist!

I'm Raquel Welch, and I'm on this expedition because just wait and see what I look like in a skin-tight wetsuit!

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:15 AM (I2/tG)

24 22 The good Dr. (PhD) Jackson is an imbecile.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 10, 2022 11:09 AM (LsEU/)

Evil, stunned cnut. Also true.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 11:14 AM (XrSIM)

I like that; cnut. Good to use if it's a guy...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:15 AM (ynpvh)

25 So does the Twitter twit think that Great Britain is shutting down completely for two weeks? No one is working,going to school , etc?

Posted by: Jen the original at September 10, 2022 11:15 AM (Yk9GW)

26 Newsom is in 2nd place in betting markets for the 24 nominee. Biden is 1st, Kumala is 3rd.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:15 AM (cUyuS)

27 I really dislike drawing "The Early Game". I should already be drinking but it is only 10:15 here.

I guess I will wait another 15 minutes.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 11:16 AM (yQpMk)

28 26 Newsom is in 2nd place in betting markets for the 24 nominee. Biden is 1st, Kumala is 3rd.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:15 AM (cUyuS)

I always though Kumala would be in front, on her knees...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:16 AM (ynpvh)

29 Only place I see Electric Cars being charged is at office buildings and work hours.

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 11:17 AM (k8B25)

30 "So does the Twitter twit think that Great Britain is shutting down completely for two weeks? No one is working,going to school , etc?"

England's closed...

Moose out front should have told ya'

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 10, 2022 11:17 AM (1n+EO)

31 Is it too early for alcohol?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:18 AM (Qzn2/)

32 Kamala in third place to run for President on the Dem ticket? The only way Kamala is in third place is if an idiot and a imbecile were first and second.

Oh, wait.....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:18 AM (5pTK/)

33 I saw something on Nextdoor about kids getting 2 weeks off for the queen. But the whole country is not shutting down. You would think a “doctor” would understand this.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:18 AM (cUyuS)

34 29 Only place I see Electric Cars being charged is at office buildings and work hours.

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 11:17 AM (k8B25)

At what point will companies start charging at electric car charge stations? I mean, electricity ain't free, and eCars take LOTS of juice to charge...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:18 AM (ynpvh)

35 Only place I see Electric Cars being charged is at office buildings and work hours.

It gets better - eventually, the enviros intend to require that you plug in your electric car at home, so they can drain it to keep the lights on.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:18 AM (I2/tG)

36 More oil in that one than an Elephant seal...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:08 AM (ynpvh)

permian basin...

Posted by: BignJames at September 10, 2022 11:18 AM (AwYPR)

37 31 Is it too early for alcohol?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:18 AM (Qzn2/)

It's always afternoon/evening somewhere in the world...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:19 AM (ynpvh)

38 UK has embraced going green and an immigration policy where the #1 male name is now Moe Ham Head. I just don't get love for the queen.

Posted by: Fool Otto at September 10, 2022 11:19 AM (DB16e)

39 "Is it too early for alcohol?

Asking for a friend."

Hell no, it's not too early.
We're already into september for pete's sake!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 10, 2022 11:19 AM (1n+EO)

40 permian basin...
Posted by: BignJames at September 10, 2022 11:18 AM (AwYPR)

It's naturally wavy, you brute!!!!

Posted by: Navin Gruesome at September 10, 2022 11:20 AM (6FeV1)

41 I wonder if you morons have better numbers. In retirement I don't drive much. If I had an electric car (if they didn't suck) it would only increase my electric usage by 1%. Off the top of my head guesstimates I could see the average person needing 15% more electricity to run their electric car.

Posted by: These Fish Sticks Are Hard As Tits at September 10, 2022 11:20 AM (3AD8C)

42 off forgotten sock from yesterday

oops

Posted by: weirdflunky at September 10, 2022 11:20 AM (cknjq)

43 Only place I see Electric Cars being charged is at office buildings and work hours.

—

Mine is in the garage charging as I type. It’s always charging when it’s in the garage.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:20 AM (cUyuS)

44 "drive to the secret place where we will inject a bacterium-sized Raquel Welch into his vein"

I would think most dudes would rather be injecting their vein into Raquel.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 10, 2022 11:21 AM (VwHCD)

45 Look up oleaginous in the dictionary and you'll find a pic of Newsom.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:06 AM (Qzn2/)

He's not butter.

He's PartGay!

Posted by: naturalfake at September 10, 2022 11:21 AM (KLPy8)

46 FL is a key battleground state. Supreme Leader SOROS has commanded his excess dems move to TX and FL

Posted by: Forrest gump at September 10, 2022 11:21 AM (8ktGG)

47 44 "drive to the secret place where we will inject a bacterium-sized Raquel Welch into his vein"

I would think most dudes would rather be injecting their vein into Raquel.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 10, 2022 11:21 AM (VwHCD)

I was expecting comments of that vein...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:21 AM (ynpvh)

48 My stock comment about The Plan to move to an all renewable/green/electric economy and EV's...

... a mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2022 11:21 AM (BFigT)

49 Regarding booze consumption: Remember, coffee laced with brandy is not considered day drinking. There's also the bloody mary, which is breakfast in a glass, if I remember correctly.

These simple tricks should be enough to see one through the morning.

This has been an AoS public service announcement.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:22 AM (5pTK/)

50 Off the top of my head guesstimates I could see the average person needing 15% more electricity to run their electric car.
Posted by: These Fish Sticks Are Hard As Tits at September 10, 2022 11:20 AM (3AD8C)

That's part of the whole issue. For a little local run-around vehicle, EVs are great. For commuters or hauling, they're not.

It's a product. Some people want it. Some people don't. This ham-fisted "EVERYONE MUST OWN THE SAME THING" Tim Cook mentality is absurd and can only lead to further absurdities.

Posted by: Navin Gruesome at September 10, 2022 11:22 AM (6FeV1)

51 greeezy sock fail

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 11:22 AM (6FeV1)

52 50 Off the top of my head guesstimates I could see the average person needing 15% more electricity to run their electric car.
Posted by: These Fish Sticks Are Hard As Tits at September 10, 2022 11:20 AM (3AD8C)

That's part of the whole issue. For a little local run-around vehicle, EVs are great. For commuters or hauling, they're not.

It's a product. Some people want it. Some people don't. This ham-fisted "EVERYONE MUST OWN THE SAME THING" Tim Cook mentality is absurd and can only lead to further absurdities.

Posted by: Navin Gruesome at September 10, 2022 11:22 AM (6FeV1)

Now bake that cake, hater!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:22 AM (ynpvh)

53 and there are those that doubt that Dunce is a froll.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 11:23 AM (yQpMk)

54 Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 11:16 AM (yQpMk)

Go ahead...I think It'll be over early.

Posted by: BignJames at September 10, 2022 11:23 AM (AwYPR)

55 That "Sweet Georgia Brown" was, indeed, sweet.

Thanks, KT.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 10, 2022 11:23 AM (AiZBA)

56 51 greeezy sock fail

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 11:22 AM (6FeV1)

Smegma Sock

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:23 AM (ynpvh)

57 ... a mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Soon, new cars will have kill switches in them, so the government can immobilize your car whenever it wants.

Tampering with the kill switch will be a felony.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:24 AM (I2/tG)

58 "Oregon utilities shut down power to thousands of customers as dry winds sweep into region, raising wildfire risk."

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 10, 2022 11:24 AM (yikp0)

59 I have some beer in my Smeg. I need to finish this coffee first.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 11:24 AM (yQpMk)

60 Regarding the BYU incident, there's no getting around the fact that huge swaths of the media have completely abandoned all reasonable standards.

Hoax hate crimes need to be prosecuted as hate crimes, because they are hate crimes.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:10 AM

Only one race baiting hoax perp has been prosecuted and that was juicy smolette, and at first they were not going to charge him with anything until the Chicago Cops said oh hell no, you are gonna pay this bill and we are going to charge you.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 10, 2022 11:25 AM (bVYXr)

61 UK has embraced going green and an immigration policy where the #1 male name is now Moe Ham Head. I just don't get love for the queen.
Posted by: Fool Otto at September 10, 2022 11:19 AM (DB16e)

That crap falls squarely on the shoulders of the elected politicians, not the Crown.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 11:25 AM (XrSIM)

62 57 ... a mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Soon, new cars will have kill switches in them, so the government can immobilize your car whenever it wants.
Tampering with the kill switch will be a felony.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:24 AM (I2/tG)

Citizen, your social score is too low to drive today. :::car sputters and stops:::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:25 AM (ynpvh)

63 Biden's job must be to be so corrupt and tyrannical that Young Newsome with the perfect hair will seem like a breath of fresh air.

But destruction of our cheap energy is purely sabotage, since we transfer the coal to China where they don't even scrub it. I recently read something like a third of the pollution in CA is from China. In any case ... this is intentional New World Order crap, attacking the middle class, keeping the peasantry down.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 10, 2022 11:25 AM (Cus5s)

64 58 "Oregon utilities shut down power to thousands of customers as dry winds sweep into region, raising wildfire risk."

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 10, 2022 11:24 AM (yikp0)

That happens here in San Diego after the local company, SDG&E got reamed in a lawsuit. But, cutting off power also got them sued. Can't win.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:26 AM (ynpvh)

65 "Oregon utilities shut down power to thousands of customers as dry winds sweep into region, raising wildfire risk."

There's a fire about twenty miles away, and the smoke is blowing this way. Keeping the windows and doors closed.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:26 AM (I2/tG)

66 I saw a picture of PDT and Melania visiting QE II. That half wit Charles was there, and it looked as if he was giving Trump the finger while appearing to scratch his eye with his middle finger.
What a low, pathetic man.

Posted by: Jmel at September 10, 2022 11:27 AM (bVhJi)

67
That's part of the whole issue. For a little local run-around vehicle, EVs are great. For commuters or hauling, they're not.

—-

Even the super cheap EVs give you at least 100 miles per charge. Average is more like 200 and top end is 300 and more. For 90% of commuters Thad is more than enough to go to work and come back home.

Not sure what universe you live in where everyone is commuting hundreds of miles a day. Do some people? Sure there is always an edge case somewhere. But for a typical 9-5 M-F employee there is no range issue for commuting.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:27 AM (cUyuS)

68 Newsom is delusional if he thinks he can win the presidency.

Most states do not want what happened to CA to happen to them.

Newsom only wins if the Deep State manages to rig another election.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:28 AM (5pTK/)

69 Sigh

*goes for coffee*

Posted by: Pug Mahon,(x8Wzq)A threat to the Soul of this Nation at September 10, 2022 11:28 AM (x8Wzq)

70 I wonder if you morons have better numbers. In retirement I don't drive much. If I had an electric car (if they didn't suck) it would only increase my electric usage by 1%. Off the top of my head guesstimates I could see the average person needing 15% more electricity to run their electric car.
Posted by: These Fish Sticks Are Hard As Tits at September 10, 2022 11:20 AM (3AD8C)

Closer to double. Transportation is very energy-intensive. Takes a lot of energy to tote heavy batteries around.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 11:28 AM (XrSIM)

71 Take a deep breath of that wildfire-smoke-tinted air and give a thought to
@OregonDOT,@UrbMobilityOfc and @OregonGovBrown
who is actively working to build more freeways when 40% of Oregon's carbon emissions come from transportation.

Because what Oregon does or chooses not to do has a significant effect on world climate.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:28 AM (I2/tG)

72 38 UK has embraced going green and an immigration policy where the #1 male name is now Moe Ham Head. I just don't get love for the queen.

Posted by: Fool Otto at September 10, 2022 11:19 AM (DB16e)

Moe Ham Head for Halloween:
https://is.gd/DJIgaf

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:29 AM (ynpvh)

73 What I have done to San Francisco and California I could do to the entire United States of America.

VOTE NEWSOME 2024

MAKE AMERICA SCAT FRANSHITSCO

Posted by: Gavin Newscum at September 10, 2022 11:29 AM (u4CEu)

74 Can't beat Oscar Peterson's Sweet Georgia Brown, with Ray Brown and NHØP trading licks on bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTQdfYXBXcg

Posted by: Otto Zilch at September 10, 2022 11:29 AM (WNti5)

75 Whoever wins the dnc has a 50/50 at wining the presidency. Dems vote for the D candidate no matter who it is. Biden and Fetterman should have taught you that by now. And Newsom has as good a chance to win the dnc as anyone else. Which means he is a viable potential president.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:30 AM (cUyuS)

76 68 Newsom is delusional if he thinks he can win the presidency.
Most states do not want what happened to CA to happen to them.
Newsom only wins if the Deep State manages to rig another election.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:28 AM (5pTK/)

He doesn't need most states, just the right mix of large ones.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:30 AM (ynpvh)

77 Fuck it. Beer is breakfast, right?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 11:30 AM (yQpMk)

78 a board on independent computer voting experts have told GA that their dominion voting machines suck and must move to paper ballots for the Nov election

your move Raffensperger, you miserable POS

Posted by: REDACTED at September 10, 2022 11:30 AM (us2H3)

79 "Thad is more than enough..."

Always wondered about you, Joe.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 10, 2022 11:31 AM (M9XmQ)

80 UK has embraced going green and an immigration policy where the #1 male name is now Moe Ham Head. I just don't get love for the queen.

—-

It’s not like queen enacted that immigration policy.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:31 AM (cUyuS)

81 73 What I have done to San Francisco and California I could do to the entire United States of America.

VOTE NEWSOME 2024

MAKE AMERICA SCAT FRANSHITSCO

Posted by: Gavin Newscum at September 10, 2022 11:29 AM (u4CEu)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:31 AM (ynpvh)

82 >>Regarding the BYU incident, there's no getting around the fact that huge swaths of the media have completely abandoned all reasonable standards.

The other day a black man drove around Memphis randomly shooting people, killing 4 including a teenage girl, and the story has already disappeared. Instead we get a demonstrably false story about some unidentified person yelling a racial slur at a volleyball game plastered everywhere with no retraction.

We don't have a media. We have a leftist propaganda instrument. It's 1984 and we are living in it.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 11:31 AM (ZLI7S)

83 the way Newsom preens around, you'd think someone died and made him Queen

Posted by: REDACTED at September 10, 2022 11:32 AM (us2H3)

84 77 Fuck it. Beer is breakfast, right?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 11:30 AM (yQpMk)

Cook some bratwurst in it. Have with eggs. Side of beer. Why not?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:32 AM (ynpvh)

85 If it's Newsome VS Trump in 2024-
expect the old Clinton playbook when he was running against Bush the Elder.
You know -
Gavin Newsome is young and has New Ideas! of Newness! unlike grumpy, old Trump and his old, old senile ideas of hopeless and hate!

And look at how young and fashionable Mrs Gavin Newsome is. Not like Trump's old frumpy Quaker Oats Quaker lookalike. And she has New! Ideas too! And she's so smart that it's like getting two Preezies for one!

And Newsome is the hippest most handsome guy ever! All women adore him!
And get this, he plays a musical instrument!!!!*
Like so.

*Newsome better practice his piccolo playing for when he appears on Jimmy Kimmel.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 10, 2022 11:32 AM (KLPy8)

86 > Soon, new cars will have kill switches in them, so the government can immobilize your car whenever it wants.
____________

IIRC OnStar can immobilize my 2016 Chevy Colorado. I believe it's a "feature" of the service should it be reported stolen. I might be wrong, but in any event they can track it down via GPS.

The 2020 Explorer can probably be immobilized too via it's connectivity features.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2022 11:32 AM (BFigT)

87 Newsom

Blew some

Posted by: REDACTED at September 10, 2022 11:33 AM (us2H3)

88 79 "Thad is more than enough..."

Always wondered about you, Joe.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 10, 2022 11:31 AM (M9XmQ)

Johnny Carson. Where he's doing this comedy sketch where he's interviewing a Viking. "Are you Thor?"
(with a lisp) "I sure am!"

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:34 AM (ynpvh)

89 So, let's play a game. Let's call it, "Welcome to my Nightmare."

Newsom is installed as resident.

Who becomes the AG?

Gason? Becceara?

Randi Weingarten for Secretary of Education?

Hmmm...

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:35 AM (5pTK/)

90 "Soon, new cars will have kill switches in them, so the government can immobilize your car whenever it wants. -- Tampering with the kill switch will be a felony."

If the get their way with the digital currency, they'll cut us off incrementally, as our social credit scores fall.

They probably already can track the MAGA citizens, and 87,000 IRS agents can use that info to know whom to harass.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 10, 2022 11:35 AM (Cus5s)

91 Friend of mine from Cali told me a long time ago to watch out for Kumala. This was before she was a senator even. I was like what’s a Kumala? And he said she will be president some day, just watch.

Remember also everyone was convinced it was impossible that a man named Hussein could be president only 7 years after 9/11.

So dismiss Newsom if you will but that’s just wishful thinking.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:35 AM (cUyuS)

92 IIRC OnStar can immobilize my 2016 Chevy Colorado. I believe it's a "feature" of the service should it be reported stolen. I might be wrong, but in any event they can track it down via GPS.

The 2020 Explorer can probably be immobilized too via it's connectivity features.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2022 11:32 AM (BFigT)

My newest vehicle is an '08 Chevy Suburban (made before Jugears fucked up GM). It was available with OnStar, but does not have it, as it is an ex cop car.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 11:35 AM (XrSIM)

93 Only place I see Electric Cars being charged is at office buildings and work hours.

It gets better - eventually, the enviros intend to require that you plug in your electric car at home, so they can drain it to keep the lights on.

Posted by: The ARC of History
==

Comrade if you are party member in good standing, your EV will not be drained but not charged either. Only inner party members EVs will be charged.

The future will be glorious, GLORIOUS COMRADES!!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 10, 2022 11:35 AM (u4CEu)

94 Gason = Gascon

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:36 AM (5pTK/)

95 30 years from now, they will be building geodesic domes outta solar panels, EVs and turbines

Posted by: REDACTED at September 10, 2022 11:36 AM (us2H3)

96 Meme from Ann B's place:

What's the difference between California and the Titanic?

The Titanic had its lights on when it sank.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 11:36 AM (llON8)

97 Made it.
Running late all day.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 11:36 AM (yKoKL)

98 94 Gason = Gascon

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:36 AM (5pTK/)

maricon

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:37 AM (ynpvh)

99 77 Fuck it. Beer is breakfast, right?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 11:30 AM (yQpMk)

Beer is food. Food is not beer.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 10, 2022 11:37 AM (u4CEu)

100 Obama did a lot of shit but fuckup GM? Dude!! GM hs been fucking itself up since the 70s. Where Obama fucked up was not allowing GM to die.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:38 AM (cUyuS)

101 My newest vehicle is an '08 Chevy Suburban (made before Jugears fucked up GM). It was available with OnStar, but does not have it, as it is an ex cop car.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 11:35 AM (XrSIM)

Nice, cop engine, cop tranny, cop tires, cop suspension. -- Elwood Blues

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 10, 2022 11:38 AM (AiZBA)

102 96 Meme from Ann B's place:

What's the difference between California and the Titanic?
The Titanic had its lights on when it sank.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 11:36 AM (llON

LOL. Must. Steal.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:38 AM (ynpvh)

103 So the Donks batting order Droolin' Joe, Rollin' Blackouts Newsome, and Word Salad Kamala.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 10, 2022 11:38 AM (FVME7)

104 IIRC OnStar can immobilize my 2016 Chevy Colorado. I believe it's a "feature" of the service should it be reported stolen. I might be wrong, but in any event they can track it down via GPS.

The 2020 Explorer can probably be immobilized too via it's connectivity features.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2022 11:32 AM

Pretty sure that almost any newer (2015+) vehicles with blue tooth and all of that stuff can be remotely immobilized in some way. Maybe some of the low end stuff doesn't have that feature but most probably do.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 10, 2022 11:38 AM (bVYXr)

105 I can see a scenario where you are required to have your EV on the charger when you aren't driving so the utility can pull power from your batteries to keep the grid up.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 11:38 AM (yQpMk)

106 99 77 Fuck it. Beer is breakfast, right?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 11:30 AM (yQpMk)

Beer is food. Food is not beer.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at September 10, 2022 11:37 AM (u4CEu)

Beer is an amazing source of B vitamins. Taking a swig is just like taking your vitamins in the morning...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:39 AM (ynpvh)

107 Read that Newsom is related to Pelosi
third cousin or something.
He may be stupider than Nancy but
he's got that tyrant thing down
pretty good.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 11:39 AM (yKoKL)

108 I know how to reduce electric demand.

Ship all the Third World shitholees back to their shitholes.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 10, 2022 11:39 AM (YCCLF)

109 I can see a scenario where you are required to have your EV on the charger when you aren't driving so the utility can pull power from your batteries to keep the grid up.

That is definitely what they are planning to do.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:39 AM (I2/tG)

110 Newsom is delusional if he thinks he can win the presidency.

Most states do not want what happened to CA to happen to them.

Your statement assumes that most voters possess the intellectual horsepower to connect their votes with consequences. The fact that Biden still has 39% support proves that this assumption is false.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:40 AM (Qzn2/)

111 107 Read that Newsom is related to Pelosi
third cousin or something.
He may be stupider than Nancy but
he's got that tyrant thing down
pretty good.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 11:39 AM (yKoKL)

By a former marriage? thought I read that somewhere...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:40 AM (ynpvh)

112 I know how to reduce electric demand.

Ship all the Third World shitholees back to their shitholes.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 10, 2022 11:39 AM (YCCLF)

Slight correction, they're shitholers and we're the shitholees.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 10, 2022 11:40 AM (AiZBA)

113 The good Dr. (PhD) Jackson is an imbecile.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 10, 2022 11:09 AM (LsEU/)

Well, her webpage says she's an assistant professor of poli sci at Syracuse, so yeah, pretty much.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at September 10, 2022 11:40 AM (ZSK0i)

114 27 I really dislike drawing "The Early Game". I should already be drinking but it is only 10:15 here.

I guess I will wait another 15 minutes.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 11:16 AM (yQpMk)

to my credit, I think that in my life I have only once been really drunk before noon, and that was while preparing to go for a big noon game at Kyle Field in College Station.

that game was a hoot! When you're in the middle of 100,000 crazy screaming people, you fit right in.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 11:41 AM (r46W7)

115 their test run with the clot shot and mass formation was dismal failure

if they can't even get people to comply with something that is supposed to save their lives and is free

how are they gonna convince people to spend a boatload of money on a EV to replace something they already have

EV's are the textbook definition of ersatz

Posted by: REDACTED at September 10, 2022 11:41 AM (us2H3)

116 Newsom is delusional if he thinks he can win the presidency.

Most states do not want what happened to CA to happen to them.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...stop it we are going to pee our pants.

Posted by: Dominion Voting Theft Department at September 10, 2022 11:41 AM (u4CEu)

117 Ship all the Third World shitholees back to their shitholes.

The carbon footprint of a resident of El Salvador probably goes up by a factor of twenty if he immigrates to the United States.

Noting that is "Green Fascism", and is very, very bad.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:41 AM (I2/tG)

118 That "Sweet Georgia Brown" was, indeed, sweet.

Thanks, KT.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV

I didn't see the Globetrotters.....

Posted by: JT at September 10, 2022 11:41 AM (T4tVD)

119 110 Newsom is delusional if he thinks he can win the presidency.

Most states do not want what happened to CA to happen to them.

Your statement assumes that most voters possess the intellectual horsepower to connect their votes with consequences. The fact that Biden still has 39% support proves that this assumption is false.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:40 AM (Qzn2/)

https://is.gd/vXtqH4

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:42 AM (ynpvh)

120 47 It isn't hard to come up with Raquel Welch puns
It's just important that your standards aren't too rigid.
Just run something up the pole and see if it sticks
that's what I wood do
hope that didn't suck too much

Posted by: MAxIE at September 10, 2022 11:42 AM (twxj3)

121 Well look at that, Labor Day has come and gone and suddenly Herschel Walker is winning.

Like magic.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 11:42 AM (ZLI7S)

122 https://is.gd/vXtqH4
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:42 AM (ynpvh)

*snort*
Perfect

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:43 AM (Qzn2/)

123 Biden's job must be to be so corrupt and tyrannical that Young Newsome with the perfect hair will seem like a breath of fresh air.

Incorrect. They will just get worse.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 10, 2022 11:43 AM (h+wzp)

124 1992 no way America will vote for a draft dodger

2008 no way America will vote for a Muslim

2020 no way America will vote for a basement dweller

2024 no way America will vote for a California governor

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:44 AM (cUyuS)

125 “The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in response to large-scale aggression utilizing conventional weapons in situations critical to the national security of the Russian Federation and its allies.”

Posted by: Nothing To Worry About! at September 10, 2022 11:44 AM (I2/tG)

126 One interesting thing about the BYU incident is the incredible power a fan now has.

A fan can get games cancelled just by uttering a word (though in BYUs case, no one even did that).

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 10, 2022 11:44 AM (YCCLF)

127 I'm eating a massive pile of chicken fried steak, eggs, and hash browns.
I'll spend the rest of the day curled up like a Burmese python that just swallowed a deer.

Posted by: PabloD at September 10, 2022 11:45 AM (TBrbN)

128 Not sure what universe you live in where everyone is commuting hundreds of miles a day. Do some people? Sure there is always an edge case somewhere. But for a typical 9-5 M-F employee there is no range issue for commuting.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:27 AM (cUyuS)

I do on site service. >200 mi in a trip is not that uncommon. For most days, i'd be fine on range. I'm only making the point that an EV is a product that fits for some people, and not others. They're not inherently evil or good.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 11:45 AM (6FeV1)

129 Russia is using nookoolar weapons now? That’s this weeks 2 minutes of hate/fear I guess?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:45 AM (cUyuS)

130 124
1992 no way America will vote for a draft dodger
2008 no way America will vote for a Muslim
2020 no way America will vote for a basement dweller
2024 no way America will vote for a California governor
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:44 AM (cUyuS)

No more Guv Reagans

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

131 You guys need to be very clear that the only reason Newsom and Gascon survived their recall efforts here is because of rampant and unrepentant cheating in this hellbound state
It had nothing at all to do with the will of the people
The most aggressively dem-hating contingent in America rn is teen Hispanic males

Posted by: MAxIE at September 10, 2022 11:46 AM (twxj3)

132 We need to take advantage of the Left's small concessions on Nuke plants . I haven't thought through a strategy yet but I see the opening.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 11:46 AM (ZB6WQ)

133 >>Your statement assumes that most voters possess the intellectual horsepower to connect their votes with consequences. The fact that Biden still has 39% support proves that this assumption is false.

39%, which I doubt, is not most voters.

The only way Newsom wins is cheating.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 11:46 AM (ZLI7S)

134 I fear that Gavin Newsome will be the next President because...

wait for it...

He's good looking.

I'm cynical but tell me I'm wrong.

Thank you 19th Amendment.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 10, 2022 11:46 AM (yklXZ)

135 I am amused that all the EV car commercials show them being charged in the driveway.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 11:47 AM (yQpMk)

136 Queen Elizabeth II seemed to me to be the sort of woman who has a cut glass candy dish on a side table in the parlor with hard maple candies and lint.

Posted by: Muldoon at September 10, 2022 11:47 AM (kXYt5)

137 Russia is using nookoolar weapons now? That’s this weeks 2 minutes of hate/fear I guess?

There is a significant chance that the Russians will use tactical nuclear weapons soon in order to try and reverse the unfolding catastrophe in Ukraine.

Posted by: Nothing To Worry About! at September 10, 2022 11:48 AM (I2/tG)

138 One interesting thing about the BYU incident is the incredible power a fan now has.

A fan can get games cancelled just by uttering a word (though in BYUs case, no one even did that).

Posted by: Bitter Clinger
===

The fan didn't get the game cancelled the black woman player got it cancelled under a hoax, a hate crime and she should be charged and made to pay restitution for all the cost associated with her crime... but black so nothing will happen.... unless BYU gives her a boatload of money for her crime.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 10, 2022 11:48 AM (u4CEu)

139 CA High School: “Whites,” “Heterosexuals” And “Christians” Are Fascists….

-
Tough but fair.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 10, 2022 11:48 AM (FVME7)

140 Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:27 AM (cUyuS)

The Houston suburb, The Woodland is 45 miles to Downtown.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 11:48 AM (ZB6WQ)

141 Most voters approach presidential elections with no more thought or consideration than they applied to the election for class president in the 7th grade.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (Qzn2/)

142 I think Newsome might become President of the West Coast Confederacy, as a satrap for the Chinese Pacific Empire.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (r46W7)

143 Why isn't Israel part of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty?

Why do the world governments pretend Israel doesn't have nukes?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (YCCLF)

144 A fan can get games cancelled just by uttering a word (though in BYUs case, no one even did that).

Posted by: Bitter Clinger

He was thinking bad thoughts!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (FVME7)

145 129 Russia is using nookoolar weapons now? That’s this weeks 2 minutes of hate/fear I guess?
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:45 AM (cUyuS)

it's time for a new dose of US cash to Ukraine

so all the "Rooskies are bad" stories will be forefront

Posted by: REDACTED at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (us2H3)

146 Woodlands you freaking autocorrect piece of crap.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (ZB6WQ)

147 137 Russia is using nookoolar weapons now? That’s this weeks 2 minutes of hate/fear I guess?

There is a significant chance that the Russians will use tactical nuclear weapons soon in order to try and reverse the unfolding catastrophe in Ukraine.

Posted by: Nothing To Worry About! at September 10, 2022 11:48 AM (I2/tG)

And if they did? The response from Biden would be significantly less than his speech demonizing us. What will he do? MORE sanctions? What will Europe do? Angry letters and pull their diplomats out of Russia? BFD.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

148 There is a significant chance that the Russians will use tactical nuclear weapons soon in order to try and reverse the unfolding catastrophe in Ukraine.

We had six months of World War One, and we are now back to World War Two, with the Ukrainians blitzing forward.

Posted by: Nothing To Worry About! at September 10, 2022 11:50 AM (I2/tG)

149 Queen Elizabeth II seemed to me to be the sort of woman who has a cut glass candy dish on a side table in the parlor with hard maple candies and lint.
Posted by: Muldoon at September 10, 2022 11:47 AM (kXYt5)

Studies show that she single-handedly kept the English doily industry alive for decades.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:50 AM (Qzn2/)

150 Your statement assumes that most voters possess the intellectual horsepower to connect their votes with consequences. The fact that Biden still has 39% support proves that this assumption is false.

39%, which I doubt, is not most voters.

The only way Newsom wins is cheating.

Posted by: JackStraw
===

Your terms are acceptable.

Posted by: Gavin Newscum at September 10, 2022 11:50 AM (u4CEu)

151 142 I think Newsome might become President of the West Coast Confederacy, as a satrap for the Chinese Pacific Empire.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (r46W7)

I read satrap as strapon...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

152
Even the super cheap EVs give you at least 100 miles per charge. Average is more like 200 and top end is 300 and more. For 90% of commuters Thad is more than enough to go to work and come back home.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:27 AM

can you name the makes & models of EVs for which this is true?

general rule is that EVs will actually get about 60% of their advertised range...when they're brand new

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 10, 2022 11:51 AM (ENBF0)

153 124 1992 no way America will vote for a draft dodger
2008 no way America will vote for a Muslim
2020 no way America will vote for a basement dweller
2024 no way America will vote for a California governor
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September
------------------------------- -----------------

It wasn't America that let them win.
It was the UniParty and the Cheat now exposed.

For America to win we must beat them both.

WAR

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 11:51 AM (yKoKL)

154 Most voters approach presidential elections with no more thought or consideration than they applied to the election for class president in the 7th grade

Exactly. We are a profoundly un-serious country.

America needs to grow the fuck up.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 10, 2022 11:51 AM (yklXZ)

155 Russia is using nookoolar weapons now? That’s this weeks 2 minutes of hate/fear I guess?

Are you saying that they won't use them, or that using them wouldn't justify hating them?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 11:51 AM (ayzS/)

156 >>> 143 Why isn't Israel part of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty?

Why do the world governments pretend Israel doesn't have nukes?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (YCCLF)

Which countries are, or are not, part of the treaty? I suspect there are *several* who have nukes (or could get them quickly, such as Japan or Taiwan) who everyone else pretends not to notice.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 11:51 AM (llON8)

157 I can see a scenario where you are required to have your EV on the charger when you aren't driving so the utility can pull power from your batteries to keep the grid up.

That is definitely what they are planning to do.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 11:39 AM (I2/tG)

That might work with those vehicles like Rivian and electric F150 which have an onboard inverter, but it wouldn't with most EV's currently being sold.

At the very least, you'd need an inverter incorporated into the charging station.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 11:51 AM (XrSIM)

158 I think Newsome might become President of the West Coast Confederacy, as a satrap for the Chinese Pacific Empire.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (r46W7)

Satrap is a great if underused word. Who else would run a satrapy but a satrap?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:51 AM (Qzn2/)

159 143 Why isn't Israel part of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty?
Why do the world governments pretend Israel doesn't have nukes?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (YCCLF)

If you were Israel, why would you? Besides, it would only be enforced against them.
Just like Israel going to the World Court...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

160 Most of the shops I work out of are within 20 miles of me, and one is less than 5. Could I do an EV? Probably, but I won't because I'm only putting gas in the car once a month as it is, and I do occasionally like road trips where I can get from jersey to texas in 24 hours, or florida in 15. An EV would be an expensive part time toy that would pretty much accomplish nothing for me. Bottom line, I am not giving up my ability to drive til *I* don't feel like driving anymore, and not the car telling me.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 10, 2022 11:52 AM (VwHCD)

161
Yea, Alabama! Drown 'em Tide!
Every 'Bama man's behind you,
Hit your stride.
Go teach the Bulldogs to behave,
Send the Yellow Jackets to a watery grave.
And if a man starts to weaken,
That's a shame!
For Bama's pluck and grit have
Writ her name in Crimson flame.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 11:52 AM (yQpMk)

162
Fight on, fight on, fight on men!
Remember the Rose Bowl, we'll win then.
Go, roll to victory,
Hit your stride,
You're Dixie's football pride,
Crimson Tide, Roll Tide, Roll Tide!!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 11:52 AM (yQpMk)

163 The fan didn't get the game cancelled the black woman player got it cancelled under a hoax, a hate crime and she should be charged and made to pay restitution for all the cost associated with her crime... but black so nothing will happen.... unless BYU gives her a boatload of money for her crime.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 10, 2022 11:48 AM (u4CEu)

Putting the stories together yesterday, it looks like she told this story only to her dad in order to make an excuse for why she personally blew the game at several key moments. (she didn't want to admit she was just a terrible player) Then her dad told her godmother in Texas, who is a serial race-hoaxer and who is also running for political office. Then this godmother instantly made it part of her political campaign and contacted the national media, and they ran with it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 11:52 AM (r46W7)

164 The greatest argument against a Democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

( attributed frequently to Churchill but no proof. Still an accurate quote)

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 11:53 AM (ZB6WQ)

165 A satrap is a minion, but on a larger geographic scale.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:53 AM (Qzn2/)

166 152
Even the super cheap EVs give you at least 100 miles per charge. Average is more like 200 and top end is 300 and more. For 90% of commuters Thad is more than enough to go to work and come back home.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 11:27 AM

can you name the makes & models of EVs for which this is true?

general rule is that EVs will actually get about 60% of their advertised range...when they're brand new

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 10, 2022 11:51 AM (ENBF0)

Depends how you drive, the weather, lifetime of the battery...lots of variables.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:53 AM (ynpvh)

167 It's 1984 and we are living in it.

What novel would you like to live in and why?

Top of the head answer: a Bronte story so I could paint, play the piano, walk and write all day in the pleasant countryside.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 11:53 AM (K0jo2)

168
The Houston suburb, The Woodland is 45 miles to Downtown.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 11:48 AM

True Fact: Houston, Texas is a one hour drive from Houston, Texas

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 10, 2022 11:54 AM (ENBF0)

169 I have no fun to make of that woman, the Queen, she did her job for seventy years with dignity and respect.
She was a tough lady and represented her nation well.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 11:54 AM (yKoKL)

170 What novel would you like to live in and why?

Flashman

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 11:54 AM (ayzS/)

171 >>Most voters approach presidential elections with no more thought or consideration than they applied to the election for class president in the 7th grade.

If this were true Democrats wouldn't cheat so much.

Forget the vote rigging for a minute which was obvious to everyone. Why did the left use the FBI to hide the information about the Biden's rampant corruption? Why did 50 former senior intelligence officers make a very public statement that the laptop was Russian disinformation? Why did they run hoax after hoax against Trump to destroy his credibility? Why are they coming after us right now calling us fascists and enemies of democracy?

Yea, there is a segment of our population that is very stupid but the left wouldn't be doing this stuff if they thought they could win on merit.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 11:54 AM (ZLI7S)

172 There's a game today?
Who we playin'?
Never heard of 'em
Let's go to the bar
And watch Notre Dame instead

Posted by: Warai-otoko's college fight song at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (6FeV1)

173 Posted by: AltonJackson at September 10, 2022 11:54 AM (ENBF0)

Heh so true

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (ZB6WQ)

174 165 A satrap is a minion, but on a larger geographic scale.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 10, 2022 11:53 AM (Qzn2/)

so yellow with one eye and overalls. Only bigger.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (ynpvh)

175 I love the smell of contrarianism in the morning.

Posted by: Zombie Lt. Col. Kilgore at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (Xrfse)

176 My Prediction:

In 2024 Newsome's presidential campaign will sue to keep California's polls open an extra 48 hours because of rolling blackouts.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (CCf67)

177 >>> 175 I love the smell of contrarianism in the morning.
Posted by: Zombie Lt. Col. Kilgore at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (Xrfse)

In the *morning*??? You must be new here.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (llON8)

178 Are you saying that they won't use them, or that using them wouldn't justify hating them?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 11:51 AM (ayzS/)

Tactical nukes would be of limited usefulness against an army dispersed in the field. A huge column of tanks? Maybe.

OTOH, one big fucker right on Kiev, and it's all she wrote.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (XrSIM)

179 168
The Houston suburb, The Woodland is 45 miles to Downtown.

Posted by: polynikes
---------------------------

That's where downtown Houston is moving.
Ask Exxon.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (yKoKL)

180 177 >>> 175 I love the smell of contrarianism in the morning.
Posted by: Zombie Lt. Col. Kilgore at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (Xrfse)

In the *morning*??? You must be new here.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (llON

You obviously haven't paid you 5 quid yet.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:57 AM (ynpvh)

181 The greatest argument against a Democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

( attributed frequently to Churchill but no proof. Still an accurate quote)

For a democracy to work IMHO, you need two essential factors:
1) A virtuous people (someone much smarter than me said that a couple of centuries back...and
2) A reasonably well educated people

We have neither.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 10, 2022 11:57 AM (yklXZ)

182 A satrap is a minion, but on a larger geographic scale.

What about toadies, bootlickers, and lickspittles? Where do they fit in, geographically speaking?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 11:57 AM (ayzS/)

183 Monkey Pox. Get your Monkey Pox here. We've got scabbed up and oozing puss injections. Get your Monkey Pox.

Posted by: Grooming Rectal Buccaneer at September 10, 2022 11:57 AM (u4CEu)

184 If Californians can pre-cool their homes during off-peak usage hours, maybe they can pre-drive their EVs.

Bear with me now. Say you have to travel 100 miles tomorrow. You drive your car 25 miles and plug it into a charging station at a Wal-Mart or hotel, then walk back home. In the morning, you walk back to your car, and it's fully charged and you only have 75 miles remaining to drive. It's genius, I tell you!!

Posted by: Muldoon at September 10, 2022 11:58 AM (kXYt5)

185 OTOH, one big fucker right on Kiev, and it's all she wrote.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 11:55 AM (XrSIM)
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And that victory would be pyrrhic.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 11:58 AM (yKoKL)

186 182 A satrap is a minion, but on a larger geographic scale.

What about toadies, bootlickers, and lickspittles? Where do they fit in, geographically speaking?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 11:57 AM (ayzS/)

I would assume toadies are higher up than bootlickers and Lickspittles, whole be on and under the boot.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:58 AM (ynpvh)

187 What novel would you like to live in and why?

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

Boys can be boys. Men are men. A young white boy and an adult black man can become trusted traveling companions and then friends. There are fiends along the way, but mostly, life is an adventure. And the simple kindness of a friend is the most important thing in life.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 11:58 AM (U2p+3)

188 The Russians aren't going to use of tac nukes.

There is no such thing as a "hate crime", and Smollett was prosecuted for actual crimes long on the books.

Newsom could easily - easily - be elected president. In 2022 (looking ahead to 2024), I can't begin to comprehend the assertion that it is otherwise. Trump won by a whisker in 2016, he lost by almost the same-sized whisker (with extremely dubious circumstances leading to very reasonable doubts about the actual electoral outcome) in 2020. After being the most successful and effective president in a generation. Against a candidate Trump accurately described as the worst in history.

And the "hard left" doesn't enact any policies - accountable reps elected (over and over and over) by clueless voters do.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 10, 2022 11:58 AM (OTzUX)

189 If the get their way with the digital currency, they'll cut us off incrementally, as our social credit scores fall.

They probably already can track the MAGA citizens, and 87,000 IRS agents can use that info to know whom to harass.

I like to be prepared and live that way. I'm starting to adjust my thinking to "daily bread" and "not live by bread alone" because that's where it feels like we are heading.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 11:59 AM (K0jo2)

190 If I were a betting man, I would take Texas and the points. I expect Alabama to jump out to a big lead and take out their starters after one series in the 3rd. Sark will keep his foot on the gas to the end.

Bama by 2 TDs.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) drunkenly predicts at September 10, 2022 11:59 AM (yQpMk)

191 of course they might win by 30 as well.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) drunkenly predicts at September 10, 2022 11:59 AM (yQpMk)

192 It looks like the bear is sniffing newsome's hair. Weird.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:00 PM (K0jo2)

193 What novel would you like to live in and why?

the Hobbit. Living in the Shire, eating drinking and smoking all day with happy people seems very nice. Of course I would not join Bilbo and the Dwarves. Too dangerous, and too much walking.

Posted by: Pug Mahon,(x8Wzq)A threat to the Soul of this Nation at September 10, 2022 12:00 PM (x8Wzq)

194 I would assume toadies are higher up than bootlickers and Lickspittles, whole be on and under the boot.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:58 AM (ynpvh)

I am in the inner circle.

Posted by: Obsequious Yes Man at September 10, 2022 12:00 PM (yQpMk)

195 189 If the get their way with the digital currency, they'll cut us off incrementally, as our social credit scores fall.

They probably already can track the MAGA citizens, and 87,000 IRS agents can use that info to know whom to harass.

I like to be prepared and live that way. I'm starting to adjust my thinking to "daily bread" and "not live by bread alone" because that's where it feels like we are heading.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 11:59 AM (K0jo2)

A dependent people is a controllable people. That's what they want. If you can be independent, you are a potential threat.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

196 My car gets me a comfortable 200 miles of a tank of gas. 250 if I'm really nail biting it or doing a lot of highway miles. I plan my trips accordingly without any fuss, because I'm used to doing that. Until charging infrastructure gets more ubiquitous, it's not as easy to do that with an EV everywhere. Some places it is, some places it isn't. It's a product. It ain't perfect. I'm happy to see it develop. I'm not happy to see the corporate/government tentacles of graft and dictatorship infecting the industry, but that ship has already sailed for literally every other industry too. So what are you gonna do? EVs ain't the problem. Crooks and dictators are.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:00 PM (6FeV1)

197 143 Why isn't Israel part of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty?

Why do the world governments pretend Israel doesn't have nukes?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (YCCLF)

Same reason they pretend that the Saudi's don't have nukes. (they paid for the Pakistan program, part of the deal was that they got a few for themselves)

Once it's openly admitted that the Saudi's and Israelis have them, the Iranians will demand them. And as soon as the Iranians have them (they will probably get them soon anyways) then they start flying, and we're all off to the races.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:01 PM (r46W7)

198 I'm going to the Rice game today. They play my Alma mater , McNeese University. Or as I snark, Ryan Street High. ( unfair snark but I think it's funny)

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 12:01 PM (ZB6WQ)

199 And that victory would be pyrrhic.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 11:58 AM (yKoKL)

Which is why the Russians won't do it. They are not stupid.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 12:01 PM (XrSIM)

200 he Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

Boys can be boys. Men are men. A young white boy and an adult black man can become trusted traveling companions and then friends. There are fiends along the way, but mostly, life is an adventure. And the simple kindness of a friend is the most important thing in life.

Nice choice nurse!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:01 PM (K0jo2)

201 192 It looks like the bear is sniffing newsome's hair. Weird.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:00 PM (K0jo2)

Unlike Joey, the California bear is extinct.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:01 PM (ynpvh)

202 Tactical nukes would be of limited usefulness against an army dispersed in the field. A huge column of tanks? Maybe.

Tac nukes are signaling mechanisms.

Also in 2009, Nikolai Patrushev, Secretary of the Russian National Security Council, indicated that in the proposed new version of the nuclear doctrine, released in February 2010: “We have corrected the conditions for use of nuclear weapons to resist aggression with conventional forces not only in large-scale wars, but also in regional or even a local one.”

Posted by: Nothing To Worry About! at September 10, 2022 12:01 PM (I2/tG)

203 ||Residents of Portland, Oregon with physical disabilities have filed a lawsuit accusing the city of violating the Americans with Disabilities Act by failing to clear homeless encampments from city sidewalks.

The federal class-action lawsuit filed on Tuesday says that Portland has failed to keep the sidewalks accessible to people with mobility issues by allowing encampments to proliferate unchecked.||

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 10, 2022 12:02 PM (yikp0)

204 For about a year I commuted from Monterey, CA to Menlo Park just north of Silicon Valley.

About 100 miles, one way, typically at speeds around 80MPH. Over the coastal range too. No EV is going to make that trip 2x a day unless there's a charger at work... which there wasn't.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2022 12:02 PM (BFigT)

205 California is the Doo Doo Hole of the Pacific.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 10, 2022 12:02 PM (R/m4+)

206 Russia is using nookoolar weapons now? That’s this weeks 2 minutes of hate/fear I guess?

Are you saying that they won't use them, or that using them wouldn't justify hating them?

No answer?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:03 PM (ayzS/)

207 197 143 Why isn't Israel part of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty?

Why do the world governments pretend Israel doesn't have nukes?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at September 10, 2022 11:49 AM (YCCLF)

...And as soon as the Iranians have them (they will probably get them soon anyways) then they start flying, and we're all off to the races.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:01 PM (r46W7)

They are very close as is. Only Israel is keeping them at bay, but at some point they'll test one (probably over Israel if they can).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

208 I'm going to a baseball game with #1 son this evening. Mariners v Braves. I've never been to a Braves game. Should be fun! It's supposed to be 88 and smokey from the wildfire surrounding western Wa. Should make for a spectacular sunset.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 12:04 PM (U2p+3)

209 187 What novel would you like to live in and why?

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

John Carter of Mars.

(No, I am NOT going to say Outlaw of Gor)

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:04 PM (r46W7)

210 Residents of Portland, Oregon with physical disabilities have filed a lawsuit accusing the city of violating the Americans with Disabilities Act by failing to clear homeless encampments from city sidewalks.

***

Nice

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 10, 2022 12:05 PM (gbzeC)

211 203 ||Residents of Portland, Oregon with physical disabilities have filed a lawsuit accusing the city of violating the Americans with Disabilities Act by failing to clear homeless encampments from city sidewalks.

The federal class-action lawsuit filed on Tuesday says that Portland has failed to keep the sidewalks accessible to people with mobility issues by allowing encampments to proliferate unchecked.||

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 10, 2022 12:02 PM (yikp0)

I commented on that a few days ago. What a great idea! I'd like that done here in Kali.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:05 PM (ynpvh)

212 Russia's going to use nukes because they have to draw back over the Oskol river, and give up Izyum? Right.

How many months are we at since the Russian MoD spokesman, in a fairly striking and dramatic statement tacked on to his daily statement, said that continued attacks on Russian territory from the Uke side would be met with Russian responses directed "at the center of decision making" (= Kiev leadership)? I think 2?

On a daily basis, Russians voice frustration and anger that such retaliation never comes, even as attacks on Russian soil continue, intermittently. Doesn't matter, Kremlin has its reasons to not do so and is behaving accordingly.

Talk is very cheap. Towards the start the Kremlin dramatically announced some increased alert in its nuclear forces (it actually wouldn't have been of any consequence, and it didn't even happen, according to US intel which monitors status of those forces, duh).

Posted by: rhomboid at September 10, 2022 12:06 PM (OTzUX)

213 Kick off in the Big Show.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 12:06 PM (yQpMk)

214 The mullahs are probably stupid enough to hand their first maybe-probably functioning nuke off to the Palestinians for some farcical deniability.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:06 PM (6FeV1)

215 In regards to Ukraine it's hard to say who is "winning" Zelenski claims victories but I'm skeptical....All I know is we are losing... Billions propping up this mess

Posted by: It's me donna at September 10, 2022 12:07 PM (bs+z0)

216 What novel would you like to live in and why?

That question made me realize most every book I've read involves hardship and danger to everyone. The protagonist usually escapes death only by sheer luck.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 12:07 PM (ZB6WQ)

217 Residents of Portland, Oregon with physical disabilities have filed a lawsuit accusing the city of violating the Americans with Disabilities Act by failing to clear homeless encampments from city sidewalks.

The Left in Portland has denounced the lawsuit, noting that it was not filed by the main disability organization in Portland.

Only the Official Disability Organization is allowed to file lawsuits, you see.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:08 PM (I2/tG)

218 Newsom is a freak show..

Posted by: Ziba at September 10, 2022 12:08 PM (4h9M3)

219 I do on site service. >200 mi in a trip is not that uncommon. For most days, i'd be fine on range. I'm only making the point that an EV is a product that fits for some people, and not others. They're not inherently evil or good.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 11:45 AM (6FeV1)

You are so far down the bell curve, at 200 miles a day, it’s impossible to see you. You are the edge case. Don’t buy an EV. Problem solved.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:08 PM (cUyuS)

220 167 It's 1984 and we are living in it.
What novel would you like to live in and why?

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 11:53 AM (K0jo2)

The problem is, what character would you play in that novel? Might be fine to say "live in the shire", but what if you didn't have a choice, and ended up living in a village with Orcs headed your way?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:08 PM (ynpvh)

221 California Man Takes Fiancée Out Of State For A Romantic Lightbulb-Lit Dinner
LIFE · SEP 9, 2022 · 94

From the Bee

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 10, 2022 12:08 PM (FVME7)

222 A dependent people is a controllable people. That's what they want. If you can be independent, you are a potential threat

Somewhat related to the mourning quote. If you are mourning, mourn. Who's stopping you but yourself.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:08 PM (K0jo2)

223 214 The mullahs are probably stupid enough to hand their first maybe-probably functioning nuke off to the Palestinians for some farcical deniability.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:06 PM (6FeV1)

We'll know that's happened when the epicenter of the explosion is in some Palestinian mechanic's garage in Gaza.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:08 PM (r46W7)

224 214 The mullahs are probably stupid enough to hand their first maybe-probably functioning nuke off to the Palestinians for some farcical deniability.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:06 PM (6FeV1)

Yeah, right. The Pali's have a nuke program? They can't hardly shoot missles they get from Iran straight...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:09 PM (ynpvh)

225 >>For about a year I commuted from Monterey, CA to Menlo Park just north of Silicon Valley.

For many years I lived down by Cape Cod and commuted to Boston, about 40 miles each way. And there was never a time I wasn't in heavy traffic because there were lots of us making the same commute.

And the electric grid blows and we lost power all the time in bad weather which is not exactly uncommon in New England. There are tons of real world challenges that have to be overcome before electric cars makes sense. Until then they are just an expensive toy.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:09 PM (ZLI7S)

226
Are you saying that they won't use them, or that using them wouldn't justify hating them

—

I’m saying it’s the latest nonsense from the MS/Elites to keep you scared.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:10 PM (cUyuS)

227 Don’t buy an EV. Problem solved.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:08 PM (cUyuS)

Exactly!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:10 PM (6FeV1)

228 Maybe not now because older, but truck when new got to South Carolina on a tank of gas, 550 miles

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 12:10 PM (k8B25)

229 I love the smell of contrarianism in the morning.
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It smells like... attention whore.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 10, 2022 12:10 PM (yikp0)

230 217 Residents of Portland, Oregon with physical disabilities have filed a lawsuit accusing the city of violating the Americans with Disabilities Act by failing to clear homeless encampments from city sidewalks.

I would imagine maneuvering a wheelchair around piles of feces would be challenging.

Posted by: That NLurker guy at September 10, 2022 12:11 PM (eGTCV)

231
That question made me realize most every book I've read involves hardship and danger to everyone. The protagonist usually escapes death only by sheer luck.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 12:07 PM (ZB6WQ)
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I don't know about a novel, but, the OT wherein Israel got to have an up close and personal relationship with GOD would be cool. Of course, I'd much prefer to be one who understands and doesn't complain, but, knowing me, I'd probably screw it up.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 12:11 PM (5pTK/)

232 217 Residents of Portland, Oregon with physical disabilities have filed a lawsuit accusing the city of violating the Americans with Disabilities Act by failing to clear homeless encampments from city sidewalks.

The Left in Portland has denounced the lawsuit, noting that it was not filed by the main disability organization in Portland.

Only the Official Disability Organization is allowed to file lawsuits, you see.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:08 PM (I2/tG)

Lawyers made huge money by having designated "disabled" they used for lawsuits, and folks would go around taking pics of places and sell the info to these lawyers who would file boilerplate suits with the hope that those businesses targetted would settle, rather than be subjected to the very intrusive discovery process (I mean, how do you find out what is "punitive" without knowing a business' financials?).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:11 PM (ynpvh)

233 Russia's going to use nukes because they have to draw back over the Oskol river, and give up Izyum? Right.

The Ukrainians are advancing very rapidly, and it is unclear whether the Russians have the reserves to stop them. (Somebody noted that Genius Putin decided to go ahead with a big military exercise in the Russian Far East last week, soaking up military resources that could have been used in Ukraine.)

The strategic situation in Ukraine is changing rapidly to Russia's detriment.

Dangerous times.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:12 PM (I2/tG)

234 Brother inLaw hit the eject button from Houston at the right time. That traffic is fucking horrible.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 10, 2022 12:12 PM (h+wzp)

235 "Sweet Georgia Brown" in Mel Brooks "To Be or Not To Be" , performed by Brooks and his wife Anne Bancroft, is, for some reason, a real riot in Polish.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 10, 2022 12:12 PM (lz5hY)

236 Newsome looks like he has a bear perched on his shoulder. As much as I hate to admit it that's cooler than a parrot.

Posted by: That NLurker guy at September 10, 2022 12:13 PM (eGTCV)

237 I would imagine maneuvering a wheelchair around piles of feces would be challenging.

In many places in Portland, the vagrants' tents completely block the sidewalk, requiring the people go into the street to get around them.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:14 PM (I2/tG)

238 Britons of all "colours" are mourning the Queen

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 10, 2022 12:14 PM (gbzeC)

239 The strategic situation in Ukraine is changing rapidly to Russia's detriment.

Dangerous times.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:12 PM (I2/tG)

I don't know what to believe. Tucker had a retired military man on that said Ukraine was losing

Posted by: It's me donna at September 10, 2022 12:14 PM (bs+z0)

240 Yeah, I hate that. Or where they interrupt every 10 or 15 seconds to say, "Your call is important to us...". Just let the damned music play until a REAL person is on the line, Damnit! Everytime you interrupt the music, I think there might be a live one...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 11:07 AM (ynpvh)

Was on the phone with my bank yesterday. Not only did I get the "your call is important" over and over and over, but they sprinkled in "hey, we're hiring! Have your robbed a bank? No problem! What's a little misunderstanding between friends."

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:14 PM (i3yPZ)

241 229 I love the smell of contrarianism in the morning.
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It smells like... attention whore.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 10, 2022 12:10 PM (yikp0)

Reminds me of punchline to a barber joke:
"Go ahead; my wife doesn't know what the inside of a whorehouse smells like."

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:14 PM (ynpvh)

242 It's 1984 and we are living in it.
What novel would you like to live in and why?

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 11:53 AM (K0jo2)

The problem is, what character would you play in that novel? Might be fine to say "live in the shire", but what if you didn't have a choice, and ended up living in a village with Orcs headed your way?

Oh, yeah. Refining the question: in which novel setting would you like to live as an unspecified character, and why?

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:14 PM (K0jo2)

243 Are you saying that they won't use them, or that using them wouldn't justify hating them

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I’m saying it’s the latest nonsense from the MS/Elites to keep you scared.

Unresponsive.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:14 PM (ayzS/)

244 Until charging infrastructure gets more ubiquitous, it's not as easy to do that with an EV everywhere.

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Pick any interstate, any exit and you are likely to find a charging station. It’s damn near impossible to be further than 50 miles from one anywhere in the country, national parks and forests and shit notwithstanding.

This range fear is really about 10 years out of date.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:15 PM (cUyuS)

245 well now there's some breaking news in Ukraine - I've said that raw territory doesn't mean much, it's capturing key strategic transit points that matter. If it's true that the Ukrainians have just retaken Izyum, they will have cut off several thousand Russian troops from resupply and will probably take them as POW's.

I'm getting close to saying that Russia's entire invasion is now in serious, serious trouble. They're beginning to look like the French in Dien Bien Phu.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:16 PM (r46W7)

246 Gavin Newsome signed the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant extension in the dark of night. No reporters around.

It was supposed to be a 10 Year extension, but the nuts in the legislature wouldn’t stand for it. Son5 years, and Pge will pay off all the penalties in the broken contracts for decommissioning. Which was supposed to happen in 2 years.

Ironic that Gavin had to sign this. He personally was involved (behind the scenes) in negotiations to close it down. He is truly two faced.

Posted by: Justin Castreau at September 10, 2022 12:16 PM (ZW1rs)

247 Putins gonna use nukes on the Ukes? Lol. Fuck people stop it. Stop buying into the propaganda and fear.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:16 PM (cUyuS)

248 Well, I guess it's official. I was in the grocery store yesterday and they were selling Pumpkin Spice Ice Cream.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 10, 2022 12:16 PM (FVME7)

249 Bama has to settle for a FG after moving the ball well on their first possession but then stalling.

The right side of the O-Line is again suboptimal.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 12:16 PM (yQpMk)

250 235 "Sweet Georgia Brown" in Mel Brooks "To Be or Not To Be" , performed by Brooks and his wife Anne Bancroft, is, for some reason, a real riot in Polish.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, n
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SiBS2kqgYM

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:16 PM (yKoKL)

251 I don't know what to believe. Tucker had a retired military man on that said Ukraine was losing

The three pro-Russian Twitter feeds I follow all agree that Ukraine is currently making rapid gains. The question is whether the Russians have the reserves available to stop that.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:17 PM (I2/tG)

252 Ukes are having some success in an area south of Kharkov, where the Russians had minimal forces (and even those were para-military at best, military police from Lugansk or Donetsk, not actual Russian military). Simplifying, max success for Uke side would be forcing Russians to pull back from Izyum, an important place south of Kharkov. Doubtful they have resources to exploit beyond that.

Meanwhile southern Uke offensive seems to have sputtered, at high cost.

"Winning" here is likely not a simple formula. All sorts of scenarios could be deemed a Russian victory, or partial victory. Not so clear what this might mean on the Uke side. At a minimum it seems Kiev will have to accept loss of the two eastern oblasts (de facto situation for 8 years already), and of course Crimea. Russia's not giving those up, no matter who's in the Kremlin.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 10, 2022 12:17 PM (OTzUX)

253 >>I'm getting close to saying that Russia's entire invasion is now in serious, serious trouble. They're beginning to look like the French in Dien Bien Phu.

And it only cost us about 40 billion and Europe their future. What a win!

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:18 PM (ZLI7S)

254 I don't know what to believe. Tucker had a retired military man on that said Ukraine was losing

There is video of Uke troops unfurling flags in known areas of the cities they claim. Also, GPS makes it possible to track the front. That is not to say that there are no Russians left behind or that resistance has ceased. You don't need to believe everything you hear, but it's pretty clear that the Russians are in retreat.

I thought this article was pretty good.

https://tinyurl.com/yj9aa47r

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:19 PM (ayzS/)

255 And it only cost us about 40 billion and Europe their future. What a win!
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:18 PM (ZLI7S)

Exactly....

Posted by: It's me donna at September 10, 2022 12:19 PM (bs+z0)

256 In many places in Portland, the vagrants' tents completely block the sidewalk, requiring the people go into the street to get around them.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:14 PM (I2/tG)

Tents burn real good.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 10, 2022 12:19 PM (XrSIM)

257 Putins gonna use nukes on the Ukes? Lol. Fuck people stop it. Stop buying into the propaganda and fear.

If the Ukrainians are winning, which currently seems to be the case, Russian nuclear doctrine allows for the potential use of tactical nuclear weapons to force negotiations.

There is no question that Russian nuclear doctrine allows nukes to be used if Russia is losing a conventional war.

It's certainly a possibility.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:20 PM (I2/tG)

258 Is Ukistan back as a thing? I expect to see those flags back up around my neighborhood, lol.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:20 PM (cUyuS)

259 Is pumpkin flavor really that popular? I don't like it. Not even pumpkin pie. Sweet potato pie is yummy though.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:20 PM (K0jo2)

260 >>> 251 I don't know what to believe. Tucker had a retired military man on that said Ukraine was losing

The three pro-Russian Twitter feeds I follow all agree that Ukraine is currently making rapid gains. The question is whether the Russians have the reserves available to stop that.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:17 PM (I2/tG)

Great! Let's piss billions more down that toilet and have our feralgov label anyone in the US who questions that a traitor (and/or a laundry list of other commie BS "crimes"), so Biden's puppeteers can send Eff.Bee.EYE thugs to your door at 3am.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 12:20 PM (llON8)

261 My kids are buying the pumpkin stuff at Starbucks. So yeah officially fall is here, I guess.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:21 PM (cUyuS)

262 I honestly don't give a flat flaccid fuck who wins, just SOMEBODY win so we can finally stop hearing about it.

I'd support fucking China rolling in and curbstomping both of these pissants at this point.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:22 PM (6FeV1)

263 Vostok-22 (Russian military exercises) didn't divert resources that were otherwise being sent to the Ukraine thing. Russia has remained semi-mobilized, at best, and is resorting to all kinds of gymnastics re personnel to pursue their current strategy without actual mobilization. Why is anyone's guess, but only a guess.

Unlikely significant forces would be taken prisoner as a result of the current "breakout" from Balelkleya. Withdrawals (already happening) more likely.

I don't see Russia's "strategic position" in Ukraine in any danger. What's in danger are the relatively small territorial gains made very slowly over the summer.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 10, 2022 12:22 PM (OTzUX)

264 blake,
The God of the Old Testament wasn't nice. He was strict and angry and vengeful. There was fire and serpents and scourges. He did love His people, but He also punished them for insubordination.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 12:22 PM (U2p+3)

265 Just looked at the TV. Western channel on, and I'm sure Technicolor was invented for Maureen Ohara.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 10, 2022 12:22 PM (lz5hY)

266 Simplifying, max success for Uke side would be forcing Russians to pull back from Izyum, an important place south of Kharkov.

There are reports that the Ukrainians have already taken Izyum.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:23 PM (I2/tG)

267 Horns!

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 12:24 PM (U2p+3)

268 The FBI is a danger to our democracy.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:24 PM (K0jo2)

269 The Ruskie Military is really a shambles.
One can only hope the chicom's is also, but I doubt it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 10, 2022 12:25 PM (Irn0L)

270 Rats

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 12:25 PM (U2p+3)

271 255 And it only cost us about 40 billion and Europe their future. What a win!
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:18 PM (ZLI7S)

Exactly....
Posted by: It's me donna at September 10, 2022 12:19 PM (bs+z0)

I have always maintained that the final outcome of this will be much the same as WW1; *everyone* loses, and loses badly. The area they are fighting over, Donbas and Luhansk and eastern Ukraine, is going to end up mostly uninhabited, and uninhabitable, for the next century or so. Everyone involved is fighting for nothing other than to see their enemy destroyed at the cost of their own lives.

We're not going to lose lives directly, but our civilization and culture is already collapsing, and this only accelerates it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:25 PM (r46W7)

272 And it only cost us about 40 billion and Europe their future. What a win!

How did it cost Europe their future?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:25 PM (ayzS/)

273 259 Is pumpkin flavor really that popular? I don't like it. Not even pumpkin pie. Sweet potato pie is yummy though.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:20 PM (K0jo2)

Then you wouldn't like Chicken Pipian. Sauce made with pumpkin seeds (pepitas) traditionally.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:25 PM (ynpvh)

274 I don't pay much attention to the Ukraine situation so I appreciate the information presented here.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:26 PM (K0jo2)

275 268 The FBI is a danger to our democracy.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:24 PM (K0jo2)

Not to the Deep State's definition...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:26 PM (ynpvh)

276 Pumpkin curry is very good.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 12:26 PM (U2p+3)

277 Yeah I could go for Just some side win, I am tired of 1 hearing about it and 2 couldn't care less

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 12:26 PM (k8B25)

278 I don't see Russia's "strategic position" in Ukraine in any danger. What's in danger are the relatively small territorial gains made very slowly over the summer.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 10, 2022 12:22 PM (OTzUX)

Once armies turn tail and begin running, it's incredibly difficult to get them to stop anywhere.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:26 PM (r46W7)

279 Jeebus. The "Russian invasion" covered/covers a very large swath of territory from northeast of Kharkhov all the way down to Kherson on the Black Sea. There is no significant change on any sector of that front apart from that near Izyum (which was taken not that long ago).

It's questionable how much even this break can be exploited by the Uke side, there's no likelihood that most of the "front" meaning all the various sectors are at risk of Russian/allied collapse.

There is more chance of my being drafted for the NHL than the Russkis using nukes.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 10, 2022 12:27 PM (OTzUX)

280 I like pumpkin pie, even punkin pie, but I don't understand why anyone would crave pumpkin spice anything.

Posted by: That NLurker guy at September 10, 2022 12:27 PM (eGTCV)

281 blake,
The God of the Old Testament wasn't nice. He was strict and angry and vengeful. There was fire and serpents and scourges. He did love His people, but He also punished them for insubordination.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 12:22 PM (U2p+3)
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Of course HE punished Israel. Israel had a one on one relationship with HIM, and, disobeyed HIM. I'd hopefully be of the cohort who did listen and was faithful. Say, the house of Joshua. Or, maybe worked with Caleb.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 12:27 PM (5pTK/)

282 Sarkisian has been scheming very well on this first drive.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 12:27 PM (yQpMk)

283 277 Yeah I could go for Just some side win, I am tired of 1 hearing about it and 2 couldn't care less
Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 12:26 PM (k8B25)

I'm with you

Posted by: It's me donna at September 10, 2022 12:27 PM (bs+z0)

284 Is anyone else finding that the site loads VERY slowly?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:27 PM (ayzS/)

285 280 I like pumpkin pie, even punkin pie, but I don't understand why anyone would crave pumpkin spice anything.

Posted by: That NLurker guy at September 10, 2022 12:27 PM (eGTCV)

The Spice must Flow--Starbucks

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:28 PM (ynpvh)

286 272 And it only cost us about 40 billion and Europe their future. What a win!

How did it cost Europe their future?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:25 PM (ayzS/)

As gas supplies has been shut off, all major industry across Europe is shutting down already. All other industries should begin to shut down before the end of this year.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:28 PM (r46W7)

287 284 Is anyone else finding that the site loads VERY slowly?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:27 PM (ayzS/)

Working fine for me.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:28 PM (6FeV1)

288 Then you wouldn't like Chicken Pipian. Sauce made with pumpkin seeds (pepitas) traditionally.

I'm going to look that up. I do like roasted pumpkin seeds.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:28 PM (K0jo2)

289 Newson can win, if election fraud is still rampant in a handful of key cities.

But the cheat wll need to be bigger. What happens if those key cities have 110% turnout.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 12:29 PM (i0slg)

290 The Russian column, the one 40 miles long, heading to Kiev. What happened to that after getting stalled out?

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 10, 2022 12:29 PM (lz5hY)

291 There is no significant change on any sector of that front apart from that near Izyum (which was taken not that long ago).

It's questionable how much even this break can be exploited by the Uke side, there's no likelihood that most of the "front" meaning all the various sectors are at risk of Russian/allied collapse.

Possibly, but what has to be giving Putin nightmares is that they knew this was coming and they still couldn't stop it. That doesn't bode well for future operations.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:29 PM (ayzS/)

292 He did love His people, but He also punished them for insubordination.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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He got tired of coming back again and again to straighten them out, then he thought of a relief plan.
Christians.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:29 PM (yKoKL)

293 I am beginning to suspect that Banana Splits Guy has moved and gotten a new ISP.

Posted by: cfo mom at September 10, 2022 12:29 PM (Q8bDL)

294 Russia is in the midst of a rolling military disaster.

It's a spectacular train wreck.

Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2022 12:30 PM (NLIak)

295 There's no army "turning tail and running". There was a very (scandalously?) lightly manned "front" in the area in question, manned not even by regular military forces but low-capability military police from the militia of Lugansk.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 10, 2022 12:30 PM (OTzUX)

296 I still believe the war in Ukraine happened, because the Deep State couldn't allow their corruption to become public.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 12:30 PM (5pTK/)

297 I'd hopefully be of the cohort who did listen and was faithful. Say, the house of Joshua. Or, maybe worked with Caleb.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 12:27 PM (5pTK/)

Pfff. I'd probably have been one of the dopes rubbing Bronze-O on the big cow statue. I have no illusions.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:30 PM (6FeV1)

298 I like pumpkin stew-which is stew cooked inside of a pumpkin. A stout makes a good cooking liquid. The flesh of the pumpkin is eaten.
And I actually know how to make it.

Posted by: That NLurker guy at September 10, 2022 12:30 PM (eGTCV)

299 Well, gotta run. Have a good day all.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:30 PM (ynpvh)

300 As gas supplies has been shut off, all major industry across Europe is shutting down already. All other industries should begin to shut down before the end of this year.

Well, that one's on Europe. It was stupid in the extreme to make themselves dependent on the Russians. If it wasn't Ukraine, it would have been something else. Besides, they'll recover from that. Eventually, Biden will be gone.

The Russian column, the one 40 miles long, heading to Kiev. What happened to that after getting stalled out?

It dispersed into the countryside, because they were sitting ducks as they were. I imagine a fair number were taken out there.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:31 PM (ayzS/)

301 Russia ought to give up taking all of Ukraine, keep the east where they shipped their people and their port.
But nooo Putin won't settle for that. He wants to punish Ukraine.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:31 PM (yKoKL)

302 292 He did love His people, but He also punished them for insubordination.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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He got tired of coming back again and again to straighten them out, then he thought of a relief plan.
Christians.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:29 PM (yKoKL)

We gentiles are grafted onto the tree.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:32 PM (ynpvh)

303 Texas stalls in the Red Zone and has to settle for a FG.

3-3

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 12:32 PM (yQpMk)

304 bye!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:32 PM (ynpvh)

305 >>Russia is in the midst of a rolling military disaster.

>>It's a spectacular train wreck.

Not unrelated, we are in the midst of a societal collapse.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:32 PM (ZLI7S)

306 Pfff. I'd probably have been one of the dopes rubbing Bronze-O on the big cow statue. I have no illusions.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:30 PM (6FeV1)
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Heh, Yeah, I can see myself giving you a hand and making sure it was highly polished.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 12:32 PM (5pTK/)

307 Chicken pipian: Green sauce from tomatillos and poblanos. Looks delicious!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:33 PM (K0jo2)

308 There is more chance of my being drafted for the NHL than the Russkis using nukes.

What position do you play?

One prominent pro-Russian blogger is describing the military situation in Kharkov Oblast as "a catastrophe".

Sure looks like the Russian military is collapsing on that sector of the front.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:33 PM (I2/tG)

309 My Dad, the baker, would sometimes do a little baking at home. Pot pie tins were always saved and cleaned, and one time he took a couple cans of candied yams, mashed them up, and made little pies. Added a lot of extra nutmeg IIRC. Real good stuff.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 10, 2022 12:33 PM (lz5hY)

310 Ukistan and Covid are two things I never think about, is not part of my life in any. then I check the “news” and it’s still a major issue there. It’s like we do live in separate countries.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:33 PM (cUyuS)

311 Texas moved the ball very well between the 20s. Quinn Ewers has looked very comfortable.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 12:33 PM (yQpMk)

312 When wondering what effect this will have on Russia's overall war effort; recall that the biggest question has always been , is this still the Red Army of the 1940's? Or is this just a century later version of the Russian Army of 1917?

The Red Army kept fighting no matter how bad things got. But when things went really bad for the 1917 Russian Army, they shot all of their officers and went home.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:34 PM (r46W7)

313 Captains Courageous is the book I would have chosen as a kid to be part of but as an adult, working on a commercial fishing boat would be my worst nightmare. Dangerous Catch is no exaggeration.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 12:34 PM (ZB6WQ)

314 We gentiles are grafted onto the tree.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:32 PM (ynpvh)
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We still have to acknowledge the root. Which is where I have a problem with the "Israel is no longer favored by HIM" crowd.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 12:34 PM (5pTK/)

315 >>> 286 272 And it only cost us about 40 billion and Europe their future. What a win!

How did it cost Europe their future?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:25 PM (ayzS/)

As gas supplies has been shut off, all major industry across Europe is shutting down already. All other industries should begin to shut down before the end of this year.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:28 PM (r46W7)

Isn't that what the WEF asshoes wanted anyway? And now they can blame Poo Tin (who is retaliating for sanctions). In retrospect I wonder if (at least some of) the Germans who laughed at Trump warning them about their energy dependency weren't laughing because they thought he overestimated it, but because they thought he didn't realize that's exactly what they wanted.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 12:34 PM (llON8)

316 Are Randall's grocery stores still around in Houston ?

the heiress to the stores as a very good customer and not bad to look at

Posted by: REDACTED at September 10, 2022 12:34 PM (us2H3)

317 It's questionable how much even this break can be exploited by the Uke side, there's no likelihood that most of the "front" meaning all the various sectors are at risk of Russian/allied collapse.
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Possibly, but what has to be giving Putin nightmares is that they knew this was coming and they still couldn't stop it. That doesn't bode well for future operations.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:29 PM (ayzS/)

More likely than not, lots of wishful thinking from the "Pootin's done for" crowd. Nobody in the West really has any idea what Pootin is after, because no one's really asked him.

This war will continue as long as American weapons manufacturers need to "sell" weapons to Ukraine, and that doesn't bode well for anybody.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:35 PM (NWBBy)

318 Oh dear Russian-has a protocol??!?!? Lol.
Well the US has some plan to invade Canada too. Doesn’t mean they’re gonna start bombing Toronto any time soon.

Stop falling for this fear that the MSM manufactures. FFS didn’t 2 years of Covid lies teach you anything?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:35 PM (cUyuS)

319 I've been reading more about this electric car push... turns out the Chinese have been working to corner the markets on battery components for a decade... suddenly we are full court press to convert from oil to electric. I mean I'm sure this isn't because they are bribing people to force us to accept China as the new Middle East of energy.
Certainly not that...

Posted by: Inogame at September 10, 2022 12:35 PM (D/9Qo)

320 306 Pfff. I'd probably have been one of the dopes rubbing Bronze-O on the big cow statue. I have no illusions.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:30 PM (6FeV1)
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Heh, Yeah, I can see myself giving you a hand and making sure it was highly polished.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 12:32 PM (5pTK/)

When you read that story, Aaron really got off with a wrist slap, even though he was in the middle of it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:36 PM (r46W7)

321 We gentiles are grafted onto the tree.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 10, 2022 12:32 PM (ynpvh)
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Not arguing that.
I think it was a positive plan. A loving plan.
But also a plan to relieve Him from coming back again and again.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:36 PM (yKoKL)

322 Bye jim

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:37 PM (K0jo2)

323 but because they thought he didn't realize that's exactly what they wanted.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 12:34 PM (llON

Wow.

"Look at this hick, saying the quiet part out loud! He has no idea!!!"

My God. Looked at that way, it makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:37 PM (6FeV1)

324 >>> 318 Oh dear Russian-has a protocol??!?!? Lol.
Well the US has some plan to invade Canada too. Doesn’t mean they’re gonna start bombing Toronto any time soon.

Stop falling for this fear that the MSM manufactures. FFS didn’t 2 years of Covid lies teach you anything?
Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:35 PM (cUyuS)

*sigh*

Everyone ignores me.

Posted by: Gell-Mann Amnesia at September 10, 2022 12:37 PM (llON8)

325 Well. That was quick.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 12:37 PM (U2p+3)

326 >>I still believe the war in Ukraine happened, because the Deep State couldn't allow their corruption to become public.

You aren't wrong.

We have been sending billions of dollars to Ukraine since the war started. Nobody can tell you were much of that money has gone. We aren't getting any sort of accounting for the money, it just disappears.

The left completely lost their shit when Trump asked Zelensky to aggressively pursue corruption in Ukraine and then impeached him over nothing for asking. That little shithole has been the source of many of our problems since the Obama/Biden/CIA/Soros coup in 2014.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:38 PM (ZLI7S)

327 Nobody in the West really has any idea what Pootin is after, because no one's really asked him.

Putin made his war goals quite clear at the start of the invasion:

1) Liberate the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine

2) Overthrow the Nazi government in Kiev

Not doing very well on either goal.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:38 PM (I2/tG)

328 Whatever "Europe's future" has suffered, it recedes into insignificance if you contemplate "Europe's future" had Russia overrun UKR as planned.

As the tagline from Texas Chainsaw Massacre said, "Who will survive and what will be left of them?"

Anyone who thinks UKR was Putin's "last territorial claim in Europe" gets a Homer Simpson award.

Who do you figure would've been next for re-incorporation into the new Russian empire? Estonia or Romania?

Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2022 12:39 PM (NLIak)

329 When you read that story, Aaron really got off with a wrist slap, even though he was in the middle of it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:36 PM (r46W7)
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Very true.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 12:39 PM (5pTK/)

330 Cali Gov has a pet bear on his back?

Posted by: Eromero at September 10, 2022 12:40 PM (oRWDD)

331 Not unrelated, we are in the midst of a societal collapse.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:32 PM (ZLI7S)

Exactly. If Americans wants to see a spectacular trainwreck, they merely have to look out their own windows.

I can see the "Russian" collapse from my house!

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:40 PM (NWBBy)

332 Posted by: REDACTED at September 10, 2022 12:34 PM (us2H3)

Yes . I believe it's now part of the Albertson's chain of grocery stores,

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 12:40 PM (ZB6WQ)

333 >>> 323 but because they thought he didn't realize that's exactly what they wanted.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 12:34 PM (llON

Wow.

"Look at this hick, saying the quiet part out loud! He has no idea!!!"

My God. Looked at that way, it makes perfect sense.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:37 PM (6FeV1)

Look how much of *our* manufacturing has been sent elsewhere for zillions in graft, by the same people who want us to 'own nothing and eat ze boogz'.

"Sorry we can't generate electricity or make cars or anything else any more! Whoops! Whoopsie!!"

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 12:41 PM (llON8)

334 Cali Gov has a pet bear on his back?
Posted by: Eromero at September 10, 2022 12:40 PM (oRWDD)

His PvP build uses a Gower's Ring Of Protection.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 12:41 PM (6FeV1)

335 Putin could get this over with in a couple easy steps. Second wave picks up rifles from first wave. Not one step backwards. Da, old ways sometimes best ways.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 10, 2022 12:42 PM (lz5hY)

336 Whatever "Europe's future" has suffered, it recedes into insignificance if you contemplate "Europe's future" had Russia overrun UKR as planned....

Agree. $40B and no casualties to us to remove the threat of Russian revanchism is a freaking bargain. Their conventional military is severely degraded, and their appetite for more meddling in other countries is going to be much reduced. (This assumes things don't go dramatically pear shaped.)

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:43 PM (ayzS/)

337 >>> The left completely lost their shit when Trump asked Zelensky to aggressively pursue corruption in Ukraine and then impeached him over nothing for asking. That little shithole has been the source of many of our problems since the Obama/Biden/CIA/Soros coup in 2014.
Posted by: JackStraw
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If not that shithole it would be another.
The shithole is not the problem.
The problem is the left and its corruption
that's where our focus should be.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:43 PM (yKoKL)

338 >>Putin made his war goals quite clear at the start of the invasion:

Axshually, he made his goals clear after the 2008 NATO Summit in Bucharest. No further westward expansion of NATO and specifically not in Georgia or Ukraine or there would be war.

We didn't learn he was serious after he invaded Georgia where there still remains ungoverned regions. We didn't learn we he took Crimea. And when Biden hinted that we would be open to inviting Ukraine into NATO the war was on.

This is a war of choice and it was made by the west and specifically Biden.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:43 PM (ZLI7S)

339 Nobody in the West really has any idea what Pootin is after, because no one's really asked him.
----------
Putin made his war goals quite clear at the start of the invasion:

1) Liberate the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine
2) Overthrow the Nazi government in Kiev
Not doing very well on either goal.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 12:38 PM (I2/tG)

Right, you'll notice I said "is," not "was." Nobody knows what Pootin IS after.

All this silly speculation he's out to conquer all of Europe (or at least all the previous Soviet empire) is based on nothing. Nobody knows what he wants. That's my point.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:44 PM (NWBBy)

340 Well, off to read a terrible book, and trash it in my review. Remember, I'm sacrificing myself, reading Patterson's "Private Games" so you don't have to!

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 12:44 PM (5pTK/)

341 Morning Hordemates!

Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2022 12:45 PM (anj39)

342 " it looks like she told this story only to her dad in order to make an excuse for why she personally blew the game at several key moments."

Shades of Tawana Brawley making up a story that she was kidnapped and raped by white guys to cover that she had done an overnight with her boyfriend. Else dad would have gone medieval on her ass.

Al Sharpton went national with this.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 12:45 PM (i0slg)

343 121 Well look at that, Labor Day has come and gone and suddenly Herschel Walker is winning.

Like magic.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 11:42 AM (ZLI7S)

Labor Day is when they shift to polling Registered Voters vs. Adults. Columbus Day, they start polling only Likely Voters.

Posted by: Fox2! at September 10, 2022 12:46 PM (qyH+l)

344 All this silly speculation he's out to conquer all of Europe (or at least all the previous Soviet empire) is based on nothing. Nobody knows what he wants. That's my point.

In the absence of other evidence, we have to go by what he's been doing.

For a nonthreat to other countries, the Baltics, Finland, Sweden, etc. sure seem to be concerned.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:46 PM (ayzS/)

345 "This is a war of choice and it was made by the west and specifically Biden."

Yep. Cui bono?

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 12:46 PM (i0slg)

346 This is a war of choice and it was made by the west and specifically Biden.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:43 PM (ZLI7S)

Specifically Biden, at this point, but it has essentially been American policy since the fall of the Berlin Wall, to push and push and push until Russia was backed into a corner from which war was their only option.

America is the bad guy. Period. Full stop.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:46 PM (NWBBy)

347 335 Putin could get this over with in a couple easy steps. Second wave picks up rifles from first wave. Not one step backwards. Da, old ways sometimes best ways.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 10, 2022 12:42 PM (lz5hY)

there were some rather amusing complaints that surfaced from Russian recruits, complaining (with video) that they were being issued surplus rifles from still existing 1945 stockpiles to fight with.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:47 PM (r46W7)

348 Looks like people aren't buying what the FDA is selling:

https://bit.ly/3TZ6cIP

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 10, 2022 12:47 PM (Bd6X8)

349 Without the billions of weapons and specific battleground intelligence we've given to Ukraine the war would have been over long ago based on the first peace agreement offered by Russia.

I don't know what endgame the Left in the US is shooting for. If Russia withdraws, the consequences continue for propping up Ukraine. It definitely will push Russia closer to China as we start another Cold War.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 12:47 PM (ZB6WQ)

350 Are there any more feckless "men" than Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy?

Posted by: Robert Ford at September 10, 2022 12:48 PM (A7urr)

351 Later gators

Peace

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at September 10, 2022 12:48 PM (K0jo2)

352 From Vietnam forward every war that deepstate ran has been a fiasco. They know how to make money off the wars put have no idea how to prosecute them thus, eventually, repulsing the public to overturning those in office.

Now, instead of learning how to properly conduct war they are conducting war on the American people.
Whether they can conduct that war any better than the others remains to be seen.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:48 PM (yKoKL)

353 2024 no way America will vote for a California governor
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Already has twice.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 10, 2022 12:49 PM (KAi1n)

354 It definitely will push Russia closer to China as we start another Cold War.

I think that would have happened regardless. Russia is a fading power, and will probably disintegrate in the next 25 years. They're getting desperate. Just my $0.02.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:49 PM (ayzS/)

355 Before the war started many screamed Ukraine was as corrupt as it gets, war starts and we shovel billions to Ukraine.

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 12:49 PM (k8B25)

356 348 Looks like people aren't buying what the FDA is selling:

https://bit.ly/3TZ6cIP
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 10, 2022 12:47 PM (Bd6X

oh for fucks sake - and I thought the homeopathic dealers were con men. At least their stuff is mostly harmless.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 12:50 PM (r46W7)

357 Quinn Ewers is hurt. Shades of 2010 if he can't comeback.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 12:50 PM (yQpMk)

358 Before the war started many screamed Ukraine was as corrupt as it gets, war starts and we shovel billions to Ukraine.

Sometimes there are bigger issues than corruption.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:50 PM (ayzS/)

359 >>Whatever "Europe's future" has suffered, it recedes into insignificance if you contemplate "Europe's future" had Russia overrun UKR as planned.

How? In what way would the world or Europe be any different if Putin takes Ukraine?

Ukraine is a corrupt dump, has been pretty much forever. It is a former Soviet satellite and hasn't been a problem of any significance until we decided to start screwing around with the place.

Let's suppose Putin loses, a not forgone conclusion by any means. Who do you think is going to be on the hook for rebuilding Ukraine? We won't even protect our own borders but we are going broke defending a 3rd world shithole 99% of the US population couldn't find on a map if you fronted them Ukrain.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:50 PM (ZLI7S)

360 >>> 352 From Vietnam forward every war that deepstate ran has been a fiasco. They know how to make money off the wars put have no idea how to prosecute them thus, eventually, repulsing the public to overturning those in office.

Now, instead of learning how to properly conduct war they are conducting war on the American people.
Whether they can conduct that war any better than the others remains to be seen.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:48 PM (yKoKL)

We can count on the ROE being non-existent, so there's that.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 12:50 PM (llON8)

361 In the absence of other evidence, we have to go by what he's been doing.

For a nonthreat to other countries, the Baltics, Finland, Sweden, etc. sure seem to be concerned.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:46 PM (ayzS/)

Since we're going on the absence of data, and we're concerned about who is concerned, how about we show some freakin' concern that nukes are going to be used, because we think it's fun to send war machines in to grind up Russians, to satisfy the defense industry.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:50 PM (NWBBy)

362 OK, I can't take this slow loading anymore. It must be my computer.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:51 PM (ayzS/)

363 Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:49 PM (ayzS/)

No it wouldn't have happened to the extent that will now happen.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 12:51 PM (ZB6WQ)

364 Reading some of the UKR war posts above, I think some posters are too inclined to view the war from a myopic, U.S.-centric viewpoint.

Imo, this isn't about Deep State plots, or Biden wasting money on a corrupt regime.

It's about old-fashioned, 1930s style aggression-- and the Europe+U.S. response to it.

Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2022 12:51 PM (NLIak)

365 347 They never throw anything away. Just to go on some tours of old Russian/Soviet military depots would be amazing. Millions of M91s sold here, and I would venture a guess at millions more in storage. They have or had a philosophy that if a tank can't be repaired to roll, you can bury it to the turret and it makes a swell pillbox.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 10, 2022 12:51 PM (lz5hY)

366 Ukraines will be hardest hit, no matter which ending. All forseeable.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 12:52 PM (i0slg)

367 >>Specifically Biden, at this point, but it has essentially been American policy since the fall of the Berlin Wall, to push and push and push until Russia was backed into a corner from which war was their only option.

Not Trump. People seem to forget that. Trump was the lone exception and Putin didn't do squat his entire term.

What a coincidence.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:52 PM (ZLI7S)

368 TD Texas.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 12:52 PM (yQpMk)

369 Remind me, was there a huge Nelson Mandela funeral and time of mourning?

"*Hand twirl, OK sign, Texas bullhorns gesture, chingrab, salute"*
-- Mandela Sign Language Dude

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2022 12:52 PM (I/doM)

370 He would have no qualms abandoning unpopular progressive stances to pursue the goal of succeeding a doddering President Joe Biden.

He would have no qualms abandoning unpopular progressive stances **on the campaign trail**. But he most certainly will not be abandoning them when in office.

Just like Obama gave a wink and nod to the Left when he took right-of-center positions when making a name for himself and campaigning for office, but then governed as the radical Marxist he is while in office.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 10, 2022 12:53 PM (Do5/p)

371 I like that last meme.

PS When is the last time you read something new from The Onion? Maybe they should fire what little staff they have left (if they still exist) and poach some Babylon Bee writers.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 10, 2022 12:53 PM (JOtiF)

372 "It's about old-fashioned, 1930s style aggression-- and the Europe+U.S. response to it."

Disagree. We poked the bear too much, and finally too hard.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 12:53 PM (i0slg)

373 It's about old-fashioned, 1930s style aggression-- and the Europe+U.S. response to it.
Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2022 12:51 PM (NLIa

You and other Ukraine supporters ignore the decade long actions by Ukraine that led to Putin's actions. Completely ignore.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 12:53 PM (ZB6WQ)

374 >>> 364 Reading some of the UKR war posts above, I think some posters are too inclined to view the war from a myopic, U.S.-centric viewpoint.

Imo, this isn't about Deep State plots, or Biden wasting money on a corrupt regime.

It's about old-fashioned, 1930s style aggression-- and the Europe+U.S. response to it.
Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2022 12:51 PM (NLIak)

Or perhaps some people are completely incapable of seeing anything outside the Cold War paradigm, and will be whining about stopping Poo Tin even as our own murderous, psycho, demonic regime is loading them on to a train.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 12:54 PM (llON8)

375

My ani, ProgTards make them burn!

Posted by: The Man with Three Ani at September 10, 2022 12:54 PM (cOQPj)

376 I’m saying it’s the latest nonsense from the MS/Elites to keep you scared. Posted by: Joe XiDen at September 10, 2022 12:10 PM (cUyuS)

Oh. You mean like Monkeypox, or polls showing no red wave, or "Trump betrayed us and the FBI is doing raids to show they have total control of this coup". Stuff like that?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 12:55 PM (xhaym)

377 Not Trump. People seem to forget that. Trump was the lone exception and Putin didn't do squat his entire term.

What a coincidence.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 12:52 PM (ZLI7S)

Trump got spooked, and ended up giving the Yooks the weapons he was impeached for not giving them in the first place.

As usual, I think his heart was in the right place, but he got outsmarted by the Deep State, into being an unwilling and unwitting participant in their long game.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:55 PM (NWBBy)

378 Zelensky likely has the goods on the *biden crime family's biz in Ukraine. The payoffs are a two way street between the capitol city and Kiev. As long as the checks don't bounce the fighting continues.

Everyone involved is getting a cut of the action. Us, them, Russia, etc.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 10, 2022 12:55 PM (BFigT)

379 Pants-shitting puppet just called ALL OF US a "clear and present danger".

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 10, 2022 12:56 PM (llON8)

380 Tactical nukes would be of limited usefulness against an army dispersed in the field. A huge column of tanks? Maybe.

Tac nukes are signaling mechanisms.

Also in 2009, Nikolai Patrushev, Secretary of the Russian National Security Council, indicated that in the proposed new version of the nuclear doctrine, released in February 2010: “We have corrected the conditions for use of nuclear weapons to resist aggression with conventional forces not only in large-scale wars, but also in regional or even a local one.”
Posted by: Nothing To Worry About! at September 10, 2022 12:01 PM (I2/tG)
***
I usually use tactical nukes when I play NukeMap. In the right situation one is devastating.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2022 12:56 PM (anj39)

381 >>> Let's suppose Putin loses, a not forgone conclusion by any means. Who do you think is going to be on the hook for rebuilding Ukraine? We won't even protect our own borders but we are going broke defending a 3rd world shithole 99% of the US population couldn't find on a map if you fronted them Ukrain.
Posted by: JackStraw
----------------------------

Let's suppose there were no Ukraine.
Would that eliminate the corruptocrats or wouldn't they find or create another Ukraine in order to conduct their schemes?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:57 PM (yKoKL)

382 You and other Ukraine supporters ignore the decade long actions by Ukraine that led to Putin's actions. Completely ignore.
Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 12:53 PM (ZB6WQ)

I really can't fathom anyone being "pro-Ukraine." I get the anti-Russian, to some extent, but pro-Ukraine?

On God's green Earth... why??

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:57 PM (NWBBy)

383 We should have used tact nukes in Korea.

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 12:57 PM (ZB6WQ)

384 China has until 2030 to assert preeminence before it hits the irrecoverable demographic brick wall.

And they will likely succeed.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 10, 2022 12:58 PM (C7BWh)

385 Ukraine is the Doo Doo Hole of the former USSR.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 10, 2022 12:59 PM (R/m4+)

386 Nothing around on Roberts aide resigned

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 12:59 PM (k8B25)

387 Sometimes there are bigger issues than corruption.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:50 PM (ayzS/)

Ukraine was a piggy bank and a means of laundering money for western bureaucrats. At the same time, NATO had become a sort of ponzi scheme, where expansion eastward allowed older members (UK, Germany, etc) to shift military spending into social programs and green energy scams on the backs of newer members. No one ever expected to actually have to support large-scale combat operations. The result was that the managerial class managed to continually push and push and push until Russia began pushing back. This isn't to justify the invasion of Ukraine, merely explain why it happened.

Once it was clear that the Russians were going to invade, the expectation was still that the war would be quick. In such a case, it costs little to make promises to support Ukraine, because a war that's over in days is over before you ever have to provide any actual support. Instead, Zelensky didn't flee Kiev, the gov didn't collapse, and the war has dragged on...

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 10, 2022 12:59 PM (wmDcS)

388 >>Before the war started many screamed Ukraine was as corrupt as it gets, war starts and we shovel billions to Ukraine.

It has been the center of corruption for a long time, and the war is only ensures more money is pumped through there: https://tinyurl.com/22vpxzc8

Eighty billion in aid from the U.S. government would certainly be a big number to hit, but it represents only one slice of a much larger pie.

The Devex Funding Platform tracks more than 850 sources of information on the largest funders worldwide, from national governments to multilateral agencies and major philanthropic foundations. Between February 24 and August 16, it recorded more than $100 billion in commitments for Ukraine, with the U.S. as a leading funder. Notably, Devex reported that Ukraine is receiving “considerably higher commitments than crises of similar magnitude around the world.” For example, in June, “an analysis by the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs found that humanitarian assistance was far better funded in Ukraine than in Syria, Yemen, and Afghanistan.”

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2022 12:59 PM (I/doM)

389 Let's suppose there were no Ukraine.
Would that eliminate the corruptocrats or wouldn't they find or create another Ukraine in order to conduct their schemes?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:57 PM (yKoKL)

Seriously, it's a little odd the oligarchs in this country didn't just stick with F'ing over South and Central America.

Except maybe they were afraid to be called rayciss, so they just went about squeezing blood and treasure from the former Soviet Union.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:59 PM (NWBBy)

390 All us californians gonna be riding a Norelco like Santa in a 60s tv commercial.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at September 10, 2022 01:00 PM (vD906)

391 "215 In regards to Ukraine it's hard to say who is "winning" Zelenski claims victories but I'm skeptical....All I know is we are losing... Billions propping up this mess
Posted by: It's me donna at September 10, 2022 12:07 PM

It's been less than 60 billion. Single federal agencies have *misplaced* that much money in 2-3 years. And that's not even taking into account that the majority of it was stuff that was old and going to have to be disposed (at our cost) anyways.

We have lots of things to bitch about but the price tag associated with this is way, way, down the list. And we're not "relying" on Ukrainian claims of victory when they're driving through the captured cities and towns in broad daylight on video while the Russians make excuses about "consolidating" farther back from the front. There is a ton of good, reliable info available if you actually make the effort vs. watching retarded talking heads on network news. Russia is getting their asses completely handed to them because they've drunk their own vodka-spike koolaid for too long. I've worked with a bunch of them, I completely understand their miscalculation here and their inability think realistically

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:00 PM (P+D9B)

392 >>Ukraine was a piggy bank and a means of laundering money for western bureaucrats.

And let's not forget, both Trump impeachments were related to Ukraine.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2022 01:01 PM (I/doM)

393 >>Trump got spooked, and ended up giving the Yooks the weapons he was impeached for not giving them in the first place.

I don't think he got spooked at all. He gave them weapons to protect against Putin's attacks in Donbas which despite a complete blackout by our media had been going on for years.

Trump got impeached, twice, for being outside the DC club. He wanted nothing to do with their decades of failed foreign policy and corruption from both sides of the aisle including taking down duly elected governments we didn't like in Ukraine. He didn't get outsmarted, he got overwhelmed largely because our citizens are ignorant of the game that has been going on for decades but it is now being played on us.

And it still took massive cheating in 2020 to take him down.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 01:01 PM (ZLI7S)

394 Sometimes there are bigger issues than corruption.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 10, 2022 12:50 PM (ayzS/)

Yep. Human trafficking, weapons trafficking, theft and resale of natural gas, bioweapons research and exportation of nuke technology.

Wave that flag, my friend, support the current thing.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 01:01 PM (xhaym)

395 Now the West is trapped: if they abandon their support for Ukraine, it will likely destroy the NATO alliance. If they continue to support Ukraine, they have to suffer the economic consequences, and likely face internal unrest and political shifts as countries are forced to face reality with regards to energy, military production, etc.

Personally, I'm in favor of the latter. The best thing for the west, in the long run, is a war that drags out before ending with some sort of negotiated peace. I think that the longer this goes on, the more the old post-Cold War order is stripped away, and that's a good thing.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at September 10, 2022 01:02 PM (wmDcS)

396 Jeffrey P. Minear. the Roberts aide, is 65-66. Graduated college in 1977.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 01:02 PM (i0slg)

397 390 Nope. Just went back to an electric. Had a Norelco for over twenty years. New one would break under Santa's fat ass. Damn Dutchmen, farming stuff out to Indonesia.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 10, 2022 01:03 PM (lz5hY)

398 @393 Spot on.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 01:03 PM (i0slg)

399 Stuff like that?

NeWs been whipping up "toad strangler tropical storm Kim!!!" but behold naught but a pissy dribble.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at September 10, 2022 01:04 PM (vD906)

400 "389 Let's suppose there were no Ukraine.
Would that eliminate the corruptocrats or wouldn't they find or create another Ukraine in order to conduct their schemes?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 12:57 PM (yKoKL)

Seriously, it's a little odd the oligarchs in this country didn't just stick with F'ing over South and Central America.

Except maybe they were afraid to be called rayciss, so they just went about squeezing blood and treasure from the former Soviet Union.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:59 PM (NWBBy)"

Same reason they're fucking around in Syria. It's all about whose pipeline gets built, and where, but now with a big helping of "hey we need a huge war" and "we need something to figleaf our controlled economic demolition"

Don't mistake my support of the Ukrianian *people* and loathing for the Russians for an inability to see that both the West and China goaded Russia into this. The only good guys here are the ones defending their own homes, and that list doesn't include most of the West, or China, or Russia.

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:04 PM (P+D9B)

401 On God's green Earth... why??
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 12:57 PM (NWBBy)

Russia is the perennial Bad Guy (deservedly so, really, that place has been a silo fire for a hundred years). Ukraine is more or less an unknown. If you're unaware that Kiev is an epicenter of ghoulish corruption, money laundering, and international grifting, it's just "Nice Russia" to you. Borscht and Pierogi, but without the Firing Squads and Bread Lines. So when Evil Russia invades Nice Russia, you have to support the Little Guy. It's part of the American pysche, really. We support the Good Guys.

In reality, there are no Good Guys. A power mad dictator is throwing his bodies at the bodies of some power mad crooks who haven't quite reached the level of dictator yet. The whole thing is a disgusting farce, but hey, Karen has a nice spot open in her yard between her BLM flag and her Genital Obsession flag. So let's roll.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:04 PM (6FeV1)

402 I agree with the sentiment of the Brendan O'Neill excerpted quote. But I don't understand this:

I am a republican, always have been, and yet I now feel a great sense of loss.

What does being a republican have to do with feeling or not feeling a great sense of loss over the death of Queen Elizabeth? I don't see how feeling a sense of loss over her death is in any way tied to politics. Everything he describes has to do with a sense of humanity and a sense of history, not necessarily politics.

But, other than that odd way to begin, I appreciated his description of the sense of loss based on how she represented the great values of, sadly, a bygone era.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 10, 2022 01:04 PM (Do5/p)

403 For a tenth of what we have given Ukraine, I could take 15,000 of those military aged men that have crossed our border illegally and in six months train and equip them to take any central American country. Then the rest can all go there.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2022 01:05 PM (anj39)

404 I don't think Putin/Russia GAS about NATO, that was an excuse.

He was pissed at the deep state revolution and he wanted the resources, the ports and to fuck Ukraine.
He kills people that piss on his leg and he wants to kill Ukraine.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 01:05 PM (yKoKL)

405 Now the West is trapped: if they abandon their support for Ukraine, it will likely destroy the NATO alliance.

If Britain abandons their support of the Austrian Empire it will likely destroy the western alliance. -- WWI Logic.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 10, 2022 01:05 PM (AiZBA)

406 "I don't think he got spooked at all. He gave them weapons to protect against Putin's attacks in Donbas which despite a complete blackout by our media had been going on for years.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 01:01 PM (ZLI7S)"

This is correct, and the weapons were cleared long BEFORE the impeachment. He was well within his right to hold their feet to the fire in regards to enforcing their own laws against Americans engaging in criminal activity.

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:06 PM (P+D9B)

407 >>Let's suppose there were no Ukraine.
Would that eliminate the corruptocrats or wouldn't they find or create another Ukraine in order to conduct their schemes?

Find another. I'm not dismissing that our government is corrupt to the core on both sides of the aisle and has been for decades. Ukraine is simply the latest example.

While Biden is babbling about protecting democracy in a country he helped run a coup against Zelensky has imprisoned his political rivals, outlawed opposing political parties and banned unfriendly media.

If it looks like what is happening in Ukraine is happening here it's because it is. There's your latest scheme.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 01:07 PM (ZLI7S)

408 It's about old-fashioned, 1930s style aggression-- and the Europe+U.S. response to it.
Posted by: mnw

So, you've learned exactly zero lessons over the past 2.5 years of the unholy union of media and the administrative super-state? Huh. Good luck with that.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 10, 2022 01:09 PM (IyrhE)

409 @TulsiGabbard 5h

Our democracy is in grave danger. Government institutions - from DOJ, DHS to the IRS - are blatantly being weaponized against political opponents of those in power. Being punished by the state for dissenting or merely asking questions is the hallmark of a dictatorship.

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The ladies next?

Posted by: Lola at September 10, 2022 01:09 PM (NIYa7)

410 He was pissed at the deep state revolution and he wanted the resources, the ports and to fuck Ukraine.
He kills people that piss on his leg and he wants to kill Ukraine.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 01:05 PM (yKoKL)

that is a valid argument, so explain why he is taking a much softer approach than he did in a nearly identical action in, say, Chechnya?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 01:09 PM (xhaym)

411 >>@TulsiGabbard 5h

>>Our democracy is in grave danger. Government institutions - from DOJ, DHS to the IRS - are blatantly being weaponized against political opponents of those in power. Being punished by the state for dissenting or merely asking questions is the hallmark of a dictatorship.

We are all Ukrainian dissidents now.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 01:10 PM (ZLI7S)

412 For a democracy to work IMHO, you need two essential factors:
1) A virtuous people (someone much smarter than me said that a couple of centuries back...and
2) A reasonably well educated people

We have neither.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 10, 2022 11:57 AM (yklXZ)

Truth.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 10, 2022 01:10 PM (BdMk6)

413 Missed the coffee thread, here with coffee now. Worried about our coastal states burning up again.

European energy crisis looming concerns me. WA copying everything newsom does concerns me.

Posted by: Funsize (EiPf6) at September 10, 2022 01:10 PM (EiPf6)

414 What does being a republican have to do with feeling or not feeling a great sense of loss over the death of Queen Elizabeth? I don't see how feeling a sense of loss over her death is in any way tied to politics. Everything he describes has to do with a sense of humanity and a sense of history, not necessarily politics.

But, other than that odd way to begin, I appreciated his description of the sense of loss based on how she represented the great values of, sadly, a bygone era.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 10, 2022 01:04 PM (Do5/p)

He was using the "word" republican with a small R. As in, not a monarchist.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:11 PM (NWBBy)

415 >>>If it looks like what is happening in Ukraine is happening here it's because it is. There's your latest scheme.
Posted by: JackStraw

see #352 http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=400806#c37205909

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 01:12 PM (yKoKL)

416 What does being a republican have to do with feeling or not feeling a great sense of loss over the death of Queen Elizabeth? I don't see how feeling a sense of loss over her death is in any way tied to politics. Everything he describes has to do with a sense of humanity and a sense of history, not necessarily politics.

But, other than that odd way to begin, I appreciated his description of the sense of loss based on how she represented the great values of, sadly, a bygone era.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 10, 2022 01:04 PM (Do5/p)

"republican" to a Brit means "wanting to abolish the monarchy and establish a republic". It was his way of saying "Hey, I'm as far as you can get from being a supporter of the Queen as a Monarch, but even I...." etc etc I think he was expressing exactly what you are: It isn't about politics.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:12 PM (6FeV1)

417 "While Biden is babbling about protecting democracy in a country he helped run a coup against Zelensky has imprisoned his political rivals, outlawed opposing political parties and banned unfriendly media.

If it looks like what is happening in Ukraine is happening here it's because it is. There's your latest scheme.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 01:07 PM (ZLI7S)"

These are rather dumb complaints when the opposing invading forces are sending the guy's population in occupied areas off to camps to replace them with imports. I don't care what Biden babbles about in terms of "democracy", and neither that nor whining about how much we do or don't spend to help Ukraine should impact a pretty plain assessment of who is in the wrong over there.

They have a pretty serious problem with officials bought off by the Russians, and I can't say I give a shit if they just run them through trials and shoot them.

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:12 PM (P+D9B)

418 At certain times, and in certain countries of Yerp, "republican" more or less meant communist, just because it always meant opposition to monarchy.

Europeans have a lot of trouble understanding our political usages, including our idea of left and right.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 10, 2022 01:13 PM (x61Im)

419 We have neither.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 10, 2022 11:57 AM (yklXZ)

Truth.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 10, 2022 01:10 PM (BdMk6)

Here's my conundrum... Humanity has never been virtuous, and never been universally educated. And yet democratic systems of government have existed and in come cases thrived. So where's the hitch? Make things "democratic, but not overly so"? I don't know.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:14 PM (6FeV1)

420 Clyde, I think "republican" in England refers to anti-monarchy rather than the US political arrangement.

Posted by: Funsize (EiPf6) at September 10, 2022 01:15 PM (EiPf6)

421 Europeans have a lot of trouble understanding our political usages, including our idea of left and right.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 10, 2022 01:13 PM (x61Im)

To a European, the American "Left" is Right Wing, and the American "Right" is Incomprehensible. It's really not the same axis of measurement at all.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:16 PM (6FeV1)

422 For a tenth of what we have given Ukraine, I could take 15,000 of those military aged men that have crossed our border illegally and in six months train and equip them to take any central American country. Then the rest can all go there.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2022 01:05 PM (anj39)

If this country keeps going in the direction it's headed now, I might go too.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 10, 2022 01:16 PM (BdMk6)

423 The New York Times is reporting that the Ukrainians have taken Izium.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 01:16 PM (I2/tG)

424 @412 We have neither.

OK then. All is lost, there is no hope. Doom.
And that is our excuse to join up with...
who, exactly? Come out and say it.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 10, 2022 01:16 PM (x61Im)

425 "that is a valid argument, so explain why he is taking a much softer approach than he did in a nearly identical action in, say, Chechnya?
Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 01:09 PM (xhaym)"

Because it's not 1995. They can't go in hard.

Those "20,000 tanks"? Mostly bullshit, and most of what they do have and have been able to stuff into theater has been barely maintained since the 90's. Moscow let the corrupt officer corps hollow out the military much worse than anything that happened during the USSR.

~14-16k of those 20k are parked in rows, rusting. There is a good chance they've lost a majority of their servicable post-T62 tank hulls. Combat ready (as in, *right now*) tactical aircraft may now number in the double digits. This is a monumental overreach on their part.

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:18 PM (P+D9B)

426
*staggers in, hand over heart*

I actually saw someone handicapped get out of a car parked in a handicapped spot!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 10, 2022 01:18 PM (1Nxff)

427 "423 The New York Times is reporting that the Ukrainians have taken Izium.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 01:16 PM (I2/tG)"

I think most of the horde hasn't caught up to what just went down.

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:18 PM (P+D9B)

428 Cambridge Dictionary:

Republican - A supporter of government by elected representatives of the people rather than government by a king or queen

Posted by: Lola at September 10, 2022 01:19 PM (NIYa7)

429 421 Europeans have a lot of trouble understanding our political usages, including our idea of left and right.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 10, 2022 01:13 PM (x61Im)

To a European, the American "Left" is Right Wing, and the American "Right" is Incomprehensible. It's really not the same axis of measurement at all.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:16 PM (6FeV1)

Yup. It's Oppositesville.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 10, 2022 01:20 PM (BdMk6)

430 OK then. All is lost, there is no hope. Doom.
And that is our excuse to join up with...
who, exactly? Come out and say it.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 10, 2022 01:16 PM (x61Im)

There ARE some who make a compelling case for a benevolent monarchy.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:20 PM (NWBBy)

431 The New York Times is reporting that the Ukrainians have taken Izium.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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What are the possible side effects?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2022 01:20 PM (atdmu)

432 I think most of the horde hasn't caught up to what just went down.
Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:18 PM (P+D9B)

And I think you're hyperventilating over lurid memories of Wolf Blitzer in a flak jacket.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:20 PM (6FeV1)

433 ""republican" to a Brit means "wanting to abolish the monarchy and establish a republic". "

What the Irish fought over. First with the Brits, and then amongst themselves.

In the peace negotiations, Lloyd George and Churchill told the Irish that if they didn't accede to only partial libertation, and continue to pay homage to the King, they'd be crushed utterly. Giving in initially led to a civil war among the Irish over not getting an independent republic.

My Dad was born in the so-called Free State. I have his Irish Republic passport.

They actually used to take this shit seriously. Now the monarchy is a Disneyland tourist attraction that just lost its best ride.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 01:20 PM (i0slg)

434 2 Gavin Newsom: Move to CA and experience abortion by candlelight!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 10, 2022 11:06 AM (5pTK/)
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NO.
Candles are made with paraffin wax, a petroleum product. CAN'T HAVE THAT and you can't afford the beeswax candles either.

Posted by: Ciampino at September 10, 2022 01:21 PM (qfLjt)

435 Newsom is delusional if he thinks he can win the presidency. Newsom only wins if the Deep State manages to rig another election.

He doesn't need most states, just the right mix of large ones.

Bingo. People need to pay attention to the electoral college and the makeup of states that are controlled by Democrats and Republicans. Go back and look at the 2020 election and check the states won by Biden. Now determine which states have the chance to switch from Blue to Red. Then determine if that gives the Republican candidate enough to win.

WI, MN, MI and PA are staying Blue. That leaves AZ and GA to possibly switch back to Red. I do not think that is enough to win the electoral college. I think the Republican candidate needs WI or MN or both (along with AZ and GA) to win the electoral college. And from what I have read, AZ and GA are not guarantees to turn Red again.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 10, 2022 01:21 PM (Do5/p)

436 For a democracy to work IMHO, you need two essential factors:
1) A virtuous people (someone much smarter than me said that a couple of centuries back...and
2) A reasonably well educated people
We have neither.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at September 10, 2022 11:57 AM (yklXZ)

Technically we don't have a democracy either. A democracy at best is a form of mob rule that threatens the rights of individuals. It allows the abrogation of rights "because too many of us to fight" say so - and in doing so negate the only basis for legitimacy a state has: protecting rights, individuals and property from depredation

Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 01:22 PM (xhaym)

437 The New York Times is reporting that the Ukrainians have taken Izium.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 10, 2022 01:16 PM (I2/tG)"

I think most of the horde hasn't caught up to what just went down.
Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:18 PM (P+D9B)

I certainly doubt the NYT has. Anything they write is a lie.

I start with that premise. That being said... they took Izium? OMG! We lost Izium!! However shall we continue... said no Russian, ever. Probably. Hellifiknow.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:23 PM (NWBBy)

438 >>>that is a valid argument, so explain why he is taking a much softer approach than he did in a nearly identical action in, say, Chechnya?
Posted by: Kindltot
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They assaulted his children.
He's so vicious it may seem odd but he's a protective daddy. He also stopped American adoption for the same reason.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 10, 2022 01:23 PM (yKoKL)

439 "431 The New York Times is reporting that the Ukrainians have taken Izium.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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What are the possible side effects?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2022 01:20 PM (atdmu)"

Well so far a bunch of regional politicians have called for Putin to be deposed on charges of treason; he arrested them. Now another batch has stepped up calling for the same thing.

The Russian mainstream talkshow circuit is figuring out the scale of the fuckup and alternating between accusing military leaders of "treason", demanding the shelling of civilians, and demanding the use of nuclear weapons.

Russian MOD is spouting nonsense about feints and consolidations and redeployments; Russian mil-bloggers are mostly stroking out demanding that the MOD cut the bullshit. Some of them seem to have figured out how much deep shit they're in in terms of guided munitions and air defense.

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:24 PM (P+D9B)

440 Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:18 PM (P+D9B)

How come Ukraine refused to have an international monitored election offered in 2014 but rather chose to overthrow the previous legitimately elected government? Do we normally openly support these type of coups when elections are an option?

Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 01:24 PM (ZB6WQ)

441 Here's a good explanation for waht the Irish think of the British monarchy:

Others shared excerpts of a column last year by Patrick Freyne in the Irish Times, on the struggle between Prince Harry and Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, and the rest of the royal family. Freyne argued that the monarchy was an archaic institution with no future.

“Having a monarchy next door is a little like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and has daubed their house with clown murals, displays clown dolls in each window and has an insatiable desire to hear about and discuss clown-related news stories,” Freyne wrote in March 2021. “More specifically, for the Irish, it’s like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and, also, your grandfather was murdered by a clown.”

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 01:24 PM (i0slg)

442 Hey look, Duke athletics is once again involved in a hate crime hoax. The irony is so thick I could build a fort out of it.

Posted by: CppThis at September 10, 2022 01:24 PM (UewuT)

443 [If Britain abandons their support of the Austrian Empire it will likely destroy the western alliance. -- WWI Logic.

Umm. Not exactly how WWI went, IIRC.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 10, 2022 01:24 PM (x61Im)

444 If it looks like what is happening in Ukraine is happening here it's because it is.

Pretty much.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 10, 2022 01:24 PM (Xrfse)

445 Holy shit.

It just took me 45 minutes to reset my username and password and update payment information for my Good To Go pass that auto pays tolls here in Washington State.

Wtf. And this, the home of high tech.

Society is crumbling.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 01:25 PM (U2p+3)

446 That being said... they took Izium? OMG!
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If they take Umbrage, it's game over, man.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2022 01:25 PM (atdmu)

447 440 Do we normally openly support these type of coups when elections are an option?
Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 01:24 PM (ZB6WQ)

Yes.

Posted by: The CIA at September 10, 2022 01:26 PM (UewuT)

448 Technically we don't have a democracy either. A democracy at best is a form of mob rule that threatens the rights of individuals. It allows the abrogation of rights "because too many of us to fight" say so - and in doing so negate the only basis for legitimacy a state has: protecting rights, individuals and property from depredation
Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 01:22 PM (xhaym)

I sometimes chaff at this... sure, the rigid definition of "democracy" is essentially rule by direct plebiscite. That has, for all intents and purposes, never existed. Maybe some oddball city-state here or there, but never in a significant world power. The word "democracy" in modern english is used as a short-hand for any form of governance by elected officials, where the people as a whole at least nominally decide en masse, in some way or another, what the Rules will be. Not Absolutism. Not Totalitarian Collectivism. Democracy.

It's a linguistic relic of the 20th century, I suppose.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:26 PM (6FeV1)

449 The New York Times is reporting that the Ukrainians have taken Izium.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

What are the possible side effects?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2022 01:20 PM (atdmu)

Heh. Don't take Izium if you suffer from catastrophiasis. Some who take it may suffer dizzy spells, fainting, or even death.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:26 PM (NWBBy)

450 Wtf. And this, the home of high tech.

Society is crumbling.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Almost every day, I find some bit of technology making life *more* inconvenient.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2022 01:27 PM (atdmu)

451 "And I think you're hyperventilating over lurid memories of Wolf Blitzer in a flak jacket.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:20 PM (6FeV1)"

I'll delight in rubbing your nose in this going forward as reality sinks in, particularly after watching so many here throwing hissy fits and abandoning their facilities for moral reasoning just because things are going to shit for us here at home.

I called what is going down now a week ago.

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:27 PM (P+D9B)

452 If Britain abandons their support of the Austrian Empire it will likely destroy the western alliance. -- WWI Logic.
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Umm. Not exactly how WWI went, IIRC.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 10, 2022 01:24 PM (x61Im)

Forget it, he's rolling.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:27 PM (NWBBy)

453 Ukraine is the Palestine of Yugoslavias.

Posted by: CppThis at September 10, 2022 01:28 PM (UewuT)

454
“More specifically, for the Irish, it’s like having a neighbour who’s really into clowns and, also, your grandfather was murdered by a clown.”
Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 01:24 PM (i0slg)

I had an American history professor named McNulty who called Elizabeth "Bloody Bess the Second".

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 10, 2022 01:28 PM (1Nxff)

455 Britains I am convinced have no clue about American politics and rights.

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 01:28 PM (k8B25)

456 Heh. Don't take Izium if you suffer from catastrophiasis. Some who take it may suffer dizzy spells, fainting, or even death.
Posted by: BurtTC
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May lead to a rare, but incurable brain fungus.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2022 01:28 PM (atdmu)

457 "Those "20,000 tanks"? Mostly bullshit, and most of what they do have and have been able to stuff into theater has been barely maintained since the 90's. Moscow let the corrupt officer corps hollow out the military much worse than anything that happened during the USSR."

Sounds like you think the Russian forces are shaping their battle plans to their abilities, then.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 01:28 PM (xhaym)

458
Ukraine is the Palestine of Yugoslavias.
Posted by: CppThis at September 10, 2022 01:28 PM (UewuT)

Yo!

Posted by: Moldovia at September 10, 2022 01:28 PM (1Nxff)

459 Added a lot of extra nutmeg IIRC. Real good stuff.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 10, 2022 12:33 PM (lz5hY)

Nutmeg! God's own spice!

Posted by: Jas Townsend and Son at September 10, 2022 01:28 PM (7bRMQ)

460 Britains I am convinced have no clue about American politics and rights.
Posted by: Skip
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So, similar to Americans?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2022 01:29 PM (atdmu)

461 I'll delight in rubbing your nose in this going forward as reality sinks in, particularly after watching so many here throwing hissy fits and abandoning their facilities for moral reasoning just because things are going to shit for us here at home.

I called what is going down now a week ago.
Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:27 PM (P+D9B)

Where does calling for a ceasefire (and peace talks) since the beginning of this thing fall into your moral reasoning? Is the indiscriminate slaughter on both sides not worth considering, when asking whether our government should be shoveling billions in weapons into the mix?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:30 PM (NWBBy)

462 400 Don't mistake my support of the Ukrianian *people* and loathing for the Russians for an inability to see that both the West and China goaded Russia into this. The only good guys here are the ones defending their own homes, and that list doesn't include most of the West, or China, or Russia.
Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:04 PM (P+D9B)

I agree with this assessment. Really wish the vigorous Current Thing Supporters had stayed out of it...but as you say, they needed a distraction from the domestic destruction that the last few Current Things have wrought.

Posted by: CppThis at September 10, 2022 01:30 PM (UewuT)

463 "I had an American history professor named McNulty who called Elizabeth "Bloody Bess the Second"."

I liked Liz II. She embodied old school values, like the best of Churchill.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 10, 2022 01:31 PM (i0slg)

464 GARDEN NOOD IS UP

Posted by: Skip nood advisor at September 10, 2022 01:32 PM (k8B25)

465 That all being said, 1990s Russian military misadventures demonstrated that they're hella pro at protracted wars of attrition and artillery sieges so they're not gonna roll over and give up just because they've suffered some reversals. It's a real war with real soldiers who fight hard, quite different than the very one sided luxury wars the USA has been getting itself into of late.

Posted by: CppThis at September 10, 2022 01:33 PM (UewuT)

466 "440 Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:18 PM (P+D9B)

How come Ukraine refused to have an international monitored election offered in 2014 but rather chose to overthrow the previous legitimately elected government? Do we normally openly support these type of coups when elections are an option?
Posted by: polynikes at September 10, 2022 01:24 PM (ZB6WQ)

Yes, that was a western-leftist backed coup, and yes it contributed to this. If the Russians had simply been more subtle - AND if the west hadn't fucked around - they could have just waiting things out. But the Russians are incompetent blowhards and the Western establishment is more than happy to get other people killed and cause economic ruin.

What has happened is both the West and to some extent China goading Russia into doing something monumentally stupid to further their own ends.

None of that inclines me not to root for the Ukrainians to kick the Russians out, presuming they're smart enough to stop at the border (as they should be).

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:34 PM (P+D9B)

467 10-10 at the turn after a missed FG by Texas. I think taking Texas and the points might have been the smart play, but not for the reason I expected.

11 penalties on Alabama in the first half.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 01:36 PM (yQpMk)

468 That all being said, 1990s Russian military misadventures demonstrated that they're hella pro at protracted wars of attrition and artillery sieges so they're not gonna roll over and give up just because they've suffered some reversals. It's a real war with real soldiers who fight hard, quite different than the very one sided luxury wars the USA has been getting itself into of late.
Posted by: CppThis at September 10, 2022 01:33 PM (UewuT)

I would suggest there a thousands of American servicemen, who got sent multiple times into grindhouse of our recent military adventures, would object to your characterization as "luxury wars." Many came home with real wounds, including the wounds of watching their buddies die horrible deaths.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:36 PM (NWBBy)

469 Messages have emerged purportedly by military servicemen complaining the U.S. government is taking critical equipment directly from American troops and sending it to Ukraine without a plan to replenish it. Some claims are harder to verify than others...

This year, the Marines have shipped at least 108, nearly a quarter, of its systems to Ukraine. But they can be replaced easily, right? Well, no. The world’s largest manufacturer of titanium, a critical component in the M777, is Russia’s VSMPO-Avisma. Just last year, VSMPO-Avisma signed an agreement with Boeing to be the company’s largest titanium supplier for current and future commercial aircraft. Now sanctions and embargoes on Russia will make it much harder for the West to replenish what it expends on Ukraine.

Mark Cancian, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, estimates the U.S. has sent Ukraine a third of its total inventory of anti-tank Javelin missiles and one-quarter of its stockpile of anti-air Stinger missiles."

Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2022 01:36 PM (I/doM)

470 "I agree with this assessment. Really wish the vigorous Current Thing Supporters had stayed out of it...but as you say, they needed a distraction from the domestic destruction that the last few Current Things have wrought.
Posted by: CppThis at September 10, 2022 01:30 PM (UewuT)"

People need to stop letting their rage and disgust at the Current Thing Mob keep them from seeing things clearly.

They also need to fully understand "we" don't even really have a dog in this hunt; "our" government is run by lawless evil fucks that hate us, and if they seem better than the Russians or Chinese in some regards it's only because they're less ham-handed.

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:37 PM (P+D9B)

471 "I start with that premise. That being said... they took Izium? OMG! We lost Izium!! However shall we continue... said no Russian, ever. Probably. Hellifiknow.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:23 PM (NWBBy)"

I commented on this several days ago; it's going to sever the Russian use of certain rail lines, put others (and roads) in range of shelling backed by drone observation, and, if they can hold deep enough, allow them to cut off water to Crimea again.

It's a big enough deal that the Russians are pulling out of cities 20-40km farther back because they know they're untenable from a logistics standpoint.

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:39 PM (P+D9B)

472 Just last year, VSMPO-Avisma signed an agreement with Boeing to be the company’s largest titanium supplier for current and future commercial aircraft. Now sanctions and embargoes on Russia will make it much harder for the West to replenish what it expends on Ukraine.

Mark Cancian, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, estimates the U.S. has sent Ukraine a third of its total inventory of anti-tank Javelin missiles and one-quarter of its stockpile of anti-air Stinger missiles."
Posted by: Lizzy at September 10, 2022 01:36 PM (I/doM)

And when we no longer have enough planes for commercial airlines, or the ones we do have are falling out of the sky due to shoddy materials, we'll at least be able to say we saved "our democracy." In Ukraine, I mean. Not here.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:40 PM (NWBBy)

473 The word "democracy" in modern english is used as a short-hand for any form of governance by elected officials, where the people as a whole at least nominally decide en masse, in some way or another, what the Rules will be. Not Absolutism. Not Totalitarian Collectivism. Democracy.
It's a linguistic relic of the 20th century, I suppose.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:26 PM (6FeV1)

Democracy is collectivism, even if it is limited franchise or only on representatives. Why should people in Portland have any say in any way over whether someone in Eagle Creek in Jackson County have specific licensing requirements for a pond to collect rain water?
"We voted on it"
On top of which, elected representatives make a perverse situation where the voters don't have direct responsibility for the bad results of their choice, the representatives have a diffuse responsibility because "it is my public that chose this and not I", and in worst case they can fob it off on an agency that has rule makers that then can claim they were acting "on the choice of the electorate" when in fact, no actual choice was made.

I have a proposed solution though.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 01:40 PM (xhaym)

474 I lay the whole of the Russian Ukraine war at the feet of the Democrats. They ruined the US relationship with Russia just to "get Trump." They also shit all over the Ukrainian one.

Posted by: blaster at September 10, 2022 01:42 PM (6TxNR)

475 "474 I lay the whole of the Russian Ukraine war at the feet of the Democrats. They ruined the US relationship with Russia just to "get Trump." They also shit all over the Ukrainian one.
Posted by: blaster at September 10, 2022 01:42 PM (6TxNR)"

That's being too charitable. They created this mess on purpose; it was the goal, not just a side effect.

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:46 PM (P+D9B)

476 My father fought during WW2 in campaigns in both Africa and Italy, those not well known. Throughout his life, he rarely talked about his military experiences.

But I was a kid and would watch him watch the television news about the Vietnam war. (A hill would be taken or lost routinely it seemed.) He'd be frustrated over the news reports & warn me (the oldest of our clan) not to trust the news & never to believe much of what any politician said.

He was deeply patriotic, loved history and absolutely forbid me to participate in "Vote for President" surveys throughout my public school years.

PS - He greatly respected in British (UK) in war. He said they were "steely" in their determination & not given to planning every detail ad nauseam. They were simply going to win.

Posted by: Lola at September 10, 2022 01:46 PM (NIYa7)

477 Shouldn't it be called Planned Unparenthood?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 11:08 AM (6FeV1)
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Planned Childlessness.

Posted by: Ciampino at September 10, 2022 01:46 PM (qfLjt)

478
All us californians gonna be riding a Norelco like Santa in a 60s tv commercial.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions

Floating Heads!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 10, 2022 01:46 PM (63Dwl)

479 "And when we no longer have enough planes for commercial airlines, or the ones we do have are falling out of the sky due to shoddy materials, we'll at least be able to say we saved "our democracy." In Ukraine, I mean. Not here.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:40 PM (NWBBy)"

Things aren't going to get better here until they get worse. The faster, the better, as our greatest threat is the left wising up and going back to boiling the frog instead of being obviously batshit.

There is no circumstance in which we just vote in the "right" people and everything is OK. The destruction of our currency and the integrity of our borders isn't reversible without much more pain than we've yet seen.

Not like I fly anymore anyways...

Posted by: somedood at September 10, 2022 01:49 PM (P+D9B)

480 Planned Babykilling

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 01:49 PM (k8B25)

481 Ukraine is/was the largest money-laundering point for politicians and drug cartels. This war has accelerated this. Every US politician supporting this war should be highly suspect.

There are no good guys in this war.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 10, 2022 01:51 PM (BdMk6)

482 468 I would suggest there a thousands of American servicemen, who got sent multiple times into grindhouse of our recent military adventures, would object to your characterization as "luxury wars."
Posted by: BurtTC at September 10, 2022 01:36 PM (NWBBy)

You're missing my point. America enters and leaves these things at will, because we can. When we make those decisions, it has very little to do with dead people piling up in the streets and very much to do with high-minded idealistic campaign slogans that poll well with voters this week. Our civilians and press go bonkers when some captured POWs get squirted with water hoses, and they call it a crushing defeat if we take a couple dozen casualties in one battle. Those battlefields are all thousands of miles away from the USA, separated by one or more oceans, so there was never even a little bit of risk that if the front collapses the other guys will cross the border, burn our cities, slaughter the men, rape the women, and smash babies on local monuments.

Compare that with, say, what regularly goes down in the Balkans.

Posted by: CppThis at September 10, 2022 01:53 PM (UewuT)

483 39%, which I doubt, is not most voters. The only way Newsom wins is cheating.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 11:46 AM

Yep. And the irony is that the electoral college can guarantee the Democrats win. Because to win the Presidency, a candidate does not need a majority of voters across the country. A candidate only needs a majority of voters in enough states whose electoral votes add up to the majority of electoral votes.

Trump won in 2016 by that strategy. He flipped MI by 11,000 votes, flipped PA by 44,000 votes, flipped WI by I think 20,000 votes. All 1% or less margins. Those 3 key long-time Blue states going to Trump by the slimmest of margins is all Trump needed to win. The Democrats can employ the same strategy to keep their blue/purple states and maintain their electoral college advantage even with low overall nationwide support.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 10, 2022 01:54 PM (Do5/p)

484 I lay the whole of the Russian Ukraine war at the feet of the Democrats. They ruined the US relationship with Russia just to "get Trump." They also shit all over the Ukrainian one.
Posted by: blaster at September 10, 2022 01:42 PM (6TxNR)"

Don't kid yourself. There's a lot of republicans in on this too.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 10, 2022 01:55 PM (BdMk6)

485 I ascribe fault for Russia v Ukraine as follows:

25% to Germany, for its attempt to EU-ify Ukraine which set all of the other things in motion
20% to corrupt Western power elite, who've been using Ukraine as a grift and graft theme park ever since the USSR broke up
20% to Russia, for being ultranationalistic asshoe
15% to the media and China, for egging everyone else on for fun and profit
10% to Herr Doctor Faucistein and the public health cabal, for catalyzing this and many wars to follow
10% to the public at large for going along with decades of irresponsible leadership

Posted by: CppThis at September 10, 2022 02:06 PM (UewuT)

486 I ascribe fault for Russia v Ukraine as follows:
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Executive Summary: Human Nature

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 10, 2022 02:17 PM (atdmu)

487 Remember Sundowner giving Putin the go ahead for a Little War

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 02:19 PM (k8B25)

488 I would suggest there's thousands of American servicemen, who got sent multiple times into grindhouse of our recent military adventures, would object to your characterization as "luxury wars."
Posted by: BurtTC
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To TPTB, they were a luxury.

For us, not so much.

Posted by: SMH at September 10, 2022 02:22 PM (9ZOcN)

489 Texas takes the lead 13-10 over Alabama.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 02:27 PM (yQpMk)

490 Texas D is playing well.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 10, 2022 02:29 PM (u73oe)

491 Servo

In regard to your "Hard to turn an army around." True.

I'd add, "You reinforce success, not failure."

Putin has no choice but to reinforce failure.

Posted by: mnw at September 10, 2022 02:34 PM (NLIak)

492 484 How dare you besmirch the honor of politicians in general and Republicans in specific with this slander. How dare you suggest their is graft going on.

Posted by: Pierre Delecto at September 10, 2022 02:36 PM (Tlfom)

493 Bama is killing themselves with penalties.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 10, 2022 02:42 PM (u73oe)

494 Bama is killing themselves with penalties.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 10, 2022 02:42 PM (u73oe)

I think that last one took them over 100 yards.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) Native Texan and Alabama Alumn, Twice as Smug as You at September 10, 2022 02:43 PM (yQpMk)

495 I'm going to double down on the boozing.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 02:44 PM (yQpMk)

496 Should have been another face mask.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 02:47 PM (ZLI7S)

497 I can't believe that I am happy to say it is a one score game at this point.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 02:48 PM (yQpMk)

498 17-16 Tide

Now to see if the D can get a stop.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 02:58 PM (yQpMk)

499 I decided to move out of my safe gate guarded community to move to Compton, CA. Houses are cheap there (Don't know why) according to Zillow on the internet and looks like a nice diverse community. What do you all think about the idea ????

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 10, 2022 02:59 PM (/Qz4j)

500 @57 ... a mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Soon, new cars will have kill switches in them, so the government can immobilize your car whenever it wants.

Tampering with the kill switch will be a felony.
__________

Cars - new or not - already have 'kill switches' in them ... they're called 'OnStar' or whatever new naming protocol GM and the others decided to call it.

Think it's not a 'kill switch'? Remember when 'OnStar' was first introduced, its big selling point was that, in the event your car was stolen, the Po-Po could call and ask OnStar to kill the motor on that car. Ergo, by extension ... you know the drill.

Posted by: Dr_No at September 10, 2022 03:02 PM (mu5GU)

501 @TulsiGabbard 5h

Our democracy is in grave danger.

Posted by: Lola at September 10, 2022 01:09 PM

FFS... is there not one freaking person involved in American politics who knows that the USA is a republic, not a democracy?

She should be saying "our republic is in grave danger".

I guess this is what happens when we stop saying the Pledge of Allegiance in school every morning? "...and to the Republic, for which it stands..."

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 10, 2022 03:06 PM (Do5/p)

502 "republican" to a Brit means "wanting to abolish the monarchy and establish a republic". It was his way of saying "Hey, I'm as far as you can get from being a supporter of the Queen as a Monarch, but even I...." etc etc I think he was expressing exactly what you are: It isn't about politics.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:12 PM

Ah, thank you for putting me some knowledge on that. I am admittedly very ignorant of politics and political history outside of the USA. 20 years of following this shit every day and every day I learn that I still have so much more to learn.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 10, 2022 03:10 PM (Do5/p)

503 I decided to move out of my safe gate guarded community to move to Compton, CA. Houses are cheap there (Don't know why) according to Zillow on the internet and looks like a nice diverse community. What do you all think about the idea ????

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 10, 2022 02:59 PM (/Qz4j)

I think you had your swing set too close to the house as a kid. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 10, 2022 03:11 PM (VwHCD)

504 He tripped over his own lineman.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:16 PM (yQpMk)

505 But not give them the first was bullshit to begin with.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:17 PM (yQpMk)

506 Win or lose, Monday film study is going to be ... awkward.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:24 PM (yQpMk)

507 Texas takes the lead 19-17 with 1:29 remaining.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:26 PM (yQpMk)

508 Big kick by Sideshow Bob.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 10, 2022 03:27 PM (ZLI7S)

509 Dang

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 10, 2022 03:32 PM (u73oe)

510 I can't watch.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:33 PM (yQpMk)

511 Shut up, broadcasters!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:35 PM (yQpMk)

512 Texas played a great game. One point loss is hard to swallow. Bama can’t feel good about this one.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 10, 2022 03:35 PM (u73oe)

513 20-19 Bama with 10 seconds to go.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:36 PM (yQpMk)

514 Also, Texas played most of the game with a backup QB.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 10, 2022 03:36 PM (u73oe)

515 One play left.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:37 PM (yQpMk)

516 Quinn Ewers would have beat us.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:37 PM (yQpMk)

517 Saban asked about Ewers, you could tell.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:38 PM (yQpMk)

518 A lot of money changed hands today.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:39 PM (yQpMk)

519 Georgia should move to #1 tomorrow.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:40 PM (yQpMk)

520 They said this morning that this was a mirror game for Texas to see where they are. Which was true but, it turned out to be even more a mirror game for Alabama to see where their young receivers and young secondary were at, and both groups were unimpressive.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) has drink taken at September 10, 2022 03:46 PM (yQpMk)

521 Holy poop! The IRS refunded my 2019 late-filing/payment penalties and interest. Dang. Heck, I even got my 2021 refund too.

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522 Awww, shoot, how did I leave the Jimmy sock on?

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523 I'm going to double down on the boozing.
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