In 2012, Hyperpartisan Liberal Judge Amy Jackson Brennan Ruled That President Clinton Had Far-Reaching Discretion to Decide Which of His Documents Were Personal Records, and Which Were Official Records

If this sounds as if it is potent precedent which will avail Trump greatly, stop dreaming; this is a Democrat-Only Rule. Judge Brennan will have no problem at all deciding that this doesn't apply to Trump, citing the case of BecuzISedSo vs. Nunya Business.

The main thrust of the ruling is not relevant to Trump's case. But...


But Jackson's ruling -- along with the Justice Department's arguments that preceded it -- made some other sweeping declarations that have more direct relevance to the FBI's decision to seize handwritten notes and files Trump took with him to Mar-a-Lago. The most relevant is that a president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and solely his, as is his ability to declassify or destroy records at will.

"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

"Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records," she added.

Many of the documents seized by the government are things like Trump making a note on a napkin or making note on a copy of the page of a briefing book, which the government is claiming is an "official record."

But obviously these can also be seen as personal records.

And Amy Brennan Jackson ruled, when a Democrat she voted for was being sued, that the president had the "sole discretion" to categorize the two.

And she went further still.


The judge noted a president could destroy any record he wanted during his tenure and his only responsibility was to inform the Archives.

More:

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Jackson also concluded that a decision to challenge a president's decision lies solely with the National Archives and can't be reviewed by a court. If the Archives wants to challenge a decision, that agency and the attorney general can initiate an enforcement mechanism under the law, but it is a civil procedure and has no criminal penalty, she noted.

I've heard it explained that this is a civil action -- they're just using the criminal remedy of a criminal search warrant as a remedy.

Which is... odd.

And, of course:

On the classification issue, both Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama signed executive orders -- which remain in force to this day -- declaring that presidents have sweeping authority to declassify secrets and do not have to follow the mandatory declassification procedures all other government officials do.


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1 First!!

Posted by: Jmel at August 18, 2022 05:08 PM (bVhJi)

2 First?

Posted by: Gooshy at August 18, 2022 05:08 PM (Sol8M)

3 Seems relevant... and SPONGE!

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 18, 2022 05:09 PM (53oGX)

4 I don't think this works for Trump

Posted by: Zeera. 'Nobody Cares, Drink Harder' at August 18, 2022 05:09 PM (EC1MX)

5 Top ten!

Posted by: Squid at August 18, 2022 05:09 PM (ujRX4)

6 Orange Man Bad. Rage stroke. No! Not the mirror!

Posted by: Holy Crap at August 18, 2022 05:09 PM (glGDV)

7 10-ish?

Posted by: Greyman27 at August 18, 2022 05:10 PM (RKLPC)

8 Yo!

Posted by: SFGoth at August 18, 2022 05:11 PM (KAi1n)

9 Good afternoon, horde. Just got off work. What did I miss today?

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at August 18, 2022 05:11 PM (OX9vb)

10 Damn! Yo is 11.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 18, 2022 05:11 PM (KAi1n)

11 Yooooo!

Posted by: SFGoth at August 18, 2022 05:11 PM (KAi1n)

12 "Laws?? Laws are for the little people."

--Leona Helmsley et al.

Posted by: Beverly at August 18, 2022 05:12 PM (cq3U1)

13 But BadOrangeMan's documents have to be as mean as his tweets were, so there's that.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at August 18, 2022 05:12 PM (TNyrE)

14 Trump has legs.

This is toast.

I'm just sorry I won't get to see the Tater go on and on about how Trump is finished and the walls are closing in... then be proved wrong again.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 18, 2022 05:12 PM (u4CEu)

15 What did I miss today?

Tater Thursday.

Posted by: Squid at August 18, 2022 05:12 PM (ujRX4)

16 Also-- heard that Fox News has been sold.

Posted by: Beverly at August 18, 2022 05:12 PM (cq3U1)

17 Rated: Sad but true

citing the case of BecuzISedSo vs. Nunya Business.

Cruel Ace is the best Ace

Posted by: Iris at August 18, 2022 05:13 PM (NaH5I)

18 And I seem to recall that the doj argued in court that obama could declassify anything he wanted to without review when Judicial Watch sued him over presidential records.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 18, 2022 05:13 PM (bVYXr)

19 well, can't wait to see all the talking heads piss them selves reading this... the soiling of panties will be epic since it won't be near me.

but it won't matter, and the DOJ under biden and his handlers guidance will charge PDJT with a phantom crime and actually put him in prison for it.

Posted by: SturmToddler (WhsXQ) at August 18, 2022 05:13 PM (WhsXQ)

20 Trump has legs.

This is toast.


I'm unsure if it's the Black Manhattan that makes me unable to understand this.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:14 PM (/NCI4)

21 Thee objectives to the raid:
1) Get the documents Trump had against the deep state on Russia, Russia
2) Get access to confidential and privileged documents including those protected by attorney client privilege, as it relates to January 6th or anything else they can invent
3) Distract from Hunter Biden and his illegal activity that includes Joe getting a piece of foreign bribes

But hey, what do I know.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2022 05:14 PM (S1S3K)

22 What did I miss today?

Moscow's in flames.
Missiles headed for New York.
Film at 11.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2022 05:14 PM (anj39)

23 "Laws?? Laws are for the little people."

You betcha!

Posted by: Lois Lerner at August 18, 2022 05:14 PM (EKGgi)

24 I'm sure Tribe will say this was just dicta. Move along.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 18, 2022 05:14 PM (es0Dj)

25 Levon Helms > Leona Helmsley

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:14 PM (pMwL9)

26 It would be sooooo sweet if this were another rake in the face moment for the Deep State. Trump Curse Case #1M

Posted by: Iris at August 18, 2022 05:14 PM (NaH5I)

27 This is of the same piece of a shitbird Colonel deciding The POTUS is not allowed to change US policiy without getting the approval of the Inter-Agency Sausage factory.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 05:15 PM (V9b2V)

28 What a shame, that Trump didn't have Obama's old office.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2022 05:15 PM (44ww/)

29 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 18, 2022 05:15 PM (T4tVD)

30 Moscow's in flames.
Missiles headed for New York.
Film at 11.


More of a greasy spot, but whatevs.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:15 PM (/NCI4)

31 2012? That's like 500 years ago in leftist thought. They don't even care what the US Constitution says and it's half as old.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 05:15 PM (Y5qcH)

32 One the pillars of our system is not allowing unequal application of the law. They are turning that on its head.

Posted by: polynikes at August 18, 2022 05:16 PM (RH1Zb)

33 It's Amy Jackson Berman, Ace. But most folks just call her Brenda.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 18, 2022 05:16 PM (sWM8x)

34 And while Ace is on the subject, Amy Jackson Brennan turned in kind of a "meh" performance in Heat. A low spot, really, when every single other person on screen absolutely brought it. Including a young Princess Amidala.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:17 PM (pMwL9)

35 This is of the same piece of a shitbird Colonel deciding The POTUS is not allowed to change US policiy without getting the approval of the Inter-Agency Sausage factory.

The Fed employs a lot of Vindman's.

Posted by: Bosk at August 18, 2022 05:17 PM (v4L7Y)

36 "Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records"

I mean... yeah, that's sort of obvious. I read a theory though that the purpose of all this is to get them locked up in secrecy under Grand Jury rules, to prevent them from being leaked or used anywhere.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:18 PM (Ivdso)

37 I think the excuse comes down to the whacko left feeling that Trumpism was unprecedented, so that justifies unprecedented action against Trump, and by extension, us.

They have to use a nuke, because otherwise the monster will prevail.

Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 05:18 PM (sn5EN)

38 Documents are a tax. Case closed.
- scotus

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 05:18 PM (OalnH)

39 The Fed employs a lot of Vindman's.
Posted by: Bosk
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Definitely no shortage of them in the Army.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:18 PM (EMO0a)

40 Toyota plant in China shuts down due to lack of power.

Considering Toyota thinks it might not have reliable access to electricity until the weekend, something tells us the issue might be bigger than presented by the state-run press. According to Reuters, the province is expecting producers of lithium, fertilizer, and various metals used in construction to temporarily shut down or curb their output if they manage to stay open. Market analysts are already speculating that this could further spur the prices of EVs, and automobiles in general, as the value of the relevant (and seriously in-demand) commodities continues to climb.”

https://tinyurl.com/25dnsbfp

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:19 PM (/NCI4)

41 Trump has legs.
This is toast.
I'm unsure if it's the Black Manhattan that makes me unable to understand this.

Posted by: Archimedes

From democrat underground always saying:
This has legs!
Bush is toast!
Which morphed into:
This has legs!
Trump is toast!
But neither one of them happened after 100s of attempts. So I garble it up because the left is garbled and stupid.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 18, 2022 05:19 PM (u4CEu)

42 32 One the pillars of our system is not allowing unequal application of the law. They are turning that on its head.
Posted by: polynikes at August 18, 2022 05:16 PM (RH1Zb)

In a REPUBLIC, it is the equal application of Laws, which are supreme.

In a DEMOCRACY, it's the rule of the majority... ie... Man.

Note, they constantly bleat about 'protecting the Democracy'... which... we are not. THEY are upending the Constitutional System, the one that guarantees the rule of Law, by guaranteeing a Republican form of Government.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:20 PM (oHd/0)

43 Well before my computer crashed yet again I asked my daughter if I could borrow her Chrome book for now. This piece of shit is going back to Office Depot tomorrow and I am NOT going to be very happy camper. Fix it or give me a new one. Beyond ridiculous at this point.

Posted by: jewells45 at August 18, 2022 05:20 PM (nxdel)

44 Jeopardy winner Matt Jackson's mom is a uniparty piece of steaming excrement.

Posted by: democrats: Raping The Children We Cannot Kill Since 1973 at August 18, 2022 05:20 PM (jV+aN)

45 It is beyond reasonable dispute that both the penumbra of the PRA and dicta and invisible ink in the case law applying establish without question that the discretionary rule applied to Presidents Clinton and Obama and others does not apply to those named "Trump." Moreover, monetary and incarceration sanctions are appropriate for frivolously arguing that it does.

Posted by: LASue at August 18, 2022 05:20 PM (Ed8Zd)

46 40 Toyota plant in China shuts down due to lack of power.
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The whole EV transition thing is going to be an unmitigated disaster.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 18, 2022 05:21 PM (sWM8x)

47 I wouldn't go back to OD Jewels. Contact the manufacturer if it's in warranty.

Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 05:21 PM (sn5EN)

48 Note, they constantly bleat about 'protecting the Democracy'... which... we are not.

Its just their new twisted language of the day. They mean "revolution" or "new society" or whatever leftist term in the past was used for "how we get from here to communism". But they don't want to say that out loud, so its "our democracy."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:21 PM (Ivdso)

49 The whole EV transition thing is going to be an unmitigated disaster.
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As designed.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:21 PM (EMO0a)

50 [To judge Berman]
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

Posted by: Dr. Rumack at August 18, 2022 05:21 PM (VDLxK)

51 The whole EV transition thing is going to be an unmitigated disaster.

I'm going long on oxcarts.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:22 PM (/NCI4)

52 BTW.. Diognese saw your comment on the last thread. Can I hire you to write descriptions of my jewelry? LMAO.. that was a gem (no pun intended).

Posted by: jewells45 at August 18, 2022 05:22 PM (nxdel)

53 Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:19 PM (/NCI4)

Ford and Chevy increased prices of their EVs by 6 to 7 THOUSAND dollars last month.

Just as they figured out the new Subsidy was in the 'inflation production bill' (TM pending).

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:22 PM (oHd/0)

54 Say where all the white men at?

Posted by: Barak Obama at August 18, 2022 05:22 PM (u4CEu)

55 I trust the judge to be unbiased, rule impartially and in accordance to the law, as judges are always apt to do.

Posted by: Said No One, Ever at August 18, 2022 05:22 PM (VTu1l)

56 Documents are a tax. Case closed.
- scotus

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 05:18 PM (OalnH)


It does please me, even though I wrongly said it would never happen, that there are now five people on that court that apparently enjoy telling John Roberts to go fvck himself now and then.

I don't care if they render a verdict that Reese's Cups are no longer two great tastes that taste great together. If John Roberts is for Reese's Cups, I'm against 'em.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:22 PM (pMwL9)

57 I'm thinking it's near time for a round of congrats to the fine people who leave all those rakes planted around.

This one should be positively epic.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 18, 2022 05:22 PM (KATBx)

58 [To judge Berman]
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.


We really need to get some reference material that isn't at least 40 years old.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (/NCI4)

59 Rulings for me, but not for thee

Posted by: portlandon at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (+oR7L)

60 Note, they constantly bleat about 'protecting the Democracy'... which... we are not.
___________

I believe the catch phrase is "OUR democracy."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (nYlxS)

61 I wouldn't go back to OD Jewels. Contact the manufacturer if it's in warranty.

They'll want me to send it to them and then I'm without a computer for months.

Posted by: jewells45 at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (nxdel)

62 I'm going long on oxcarts.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:22 PM (/NCI4)


Go long on Pick-Up Trucks. Notice that Dodge never said Ram was getting out of the ICE business.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (pMwL9)

63 What about China building a coal-fired powerplant every three weeks? What happened to those, did they all turn out like the "everyone has a Bessamer Iron Furnace in their back yard" drive for the Great Leap Forward?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (xhaym)

64 this is key.

because as I've been saying, this "criminal trial" would take place in Florida where it's DOA.

Then you guys say, "nooo, it'll be in DC"

well, lookee here. DC kinda already said the law on this matter. So, if I were Merrick, and I read the law...what is the next move?

Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom Speaker-EdD Intersectional Dynamics at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (OuH7W)

65 Maybe worth learning to ride and opening a stable. Lotta blacksmiths out there now so you're covered there.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:24 PM (Ivdso)

66 We really need to get some reference material that isn't at least 40 years old.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (/NCI4)
______________

We have to go back that far to find movies that were worth a pinch of dry crap.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 18, 2022 05:24 PM (nYlxS)

67 I believe the catch phrase is "OUR democracy."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (nYlxS)

Yeah... but it's a matter of definition.

To THEM, OUR Democracy means rule by Democrats.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:24 PM (oHd/0)

68 " The whole EV transition thing is going to be an unmitigated disaster.
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As designed.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming

Everything is going to fall apart. Kroger has been out of store brand ice cream sandwiches for weeks. 12 for $2. If they come back they will probably be $20.

Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 05:24 PM (sn5EN)

69 The director of the archives (librarian) has already stated that he has the power to decide what a president can declassify, and that he can reclassify any record that has been declassified.

He also stated that he needs a replacement not chosen by a future president Trump, otherwise certain documents might not get 'lost'.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 05:24 PM (lTGtQ)

70 The whole EV transition thing is going to be an unmitigated disaster.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 18, 2022 05:21 PM


I honestly think that's the plan.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 18, 2022 05:24 PM (bVYXr)

71 What about China building a coal-fired powerplant every three weeks? What happened to those, did they all turn out like the "everyone has a Bessamer Iron Furnace in their back yard" drive for the Great Leap Forward?

We don't want to talk about it.

Posted by: rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows at August 18, 2022 05:25 PM (/NCI4)

72 I guess the epstein magistrate didn't bother to look up the law on this stuff.

Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom Speaker-EdD Intersectional Dynamics at August 18, 2022 05:25 PM (OuH7W)

73 We really need to get some reference material that isn't at least 40 years old.

"The most important thing is that we're family!"
--Fast & Furious 17, the one where they go through time to save pluto

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:25 PM (Ivdso)

74 But, Chuy, you forgot to mention the Trump exception to every rule...

If something involves Trump, it has to involve treason.

There's no escaping this ouroboros.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 18, 2022 05:25 PM (JOtiF)

75 I imagine what will happen is whatever documents the Democrats are afraid of because it reveals their wrong doing will be "lost" or "never were in the documents we seized".

Or, I suppose if the Dims want a smidgen of respectability about the whole thing will say something like "these documents are so sensitive that we can't reveal them to the public for 50 years" or some such thing.

None of this appears to be legal. It's all Fascist Power Theater. Once again the country pays for some Democrat's psychiatric/emotional issues. In this case, Merrick Garland teen girl hurtz and sadz cuz he's not a supreme court justice.

Somebody buy that mook a diary with rainbow and unicorns on the cover so he can pour his little heart out onto tear-stained pages.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2022 05:25 PM (5NkmN)

76 I don't care if they render a verdict that Reese's Cups are no longer two great tastes that taste great together. If John Roberts is for Reese's Cups, I'm against 'em.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:22 PM (pMwL9)


Professor Quincy Adams Wagstaff agrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v3etuIw-aM

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at August 18, 2022 05:26 PM (AiZBA)

77 Go long on Pick-Up Trucks. Notice that Dodge never said Ram was getting out of the ICE business.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (pMwL9)

But they did just kill the Challenger and Charger.

And Chevy says next year is the last year for Camaros, even though it takes SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS TO FUCKING ORDER ONE, they are so popular.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:26 PM (oHd/0)

78 The director of the archives (librarian) has already stated that he has the power to decide what a president can declassify, and that he can reclassify any record that has been declassified.


Wanna bet?

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:26 PM (/NCI4)

79 well, lookee here. DC kinda already said the law on this matter. So, if I were Merrick, and I read the law...what is the next move?
Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom Speaker-EdD Intersectional Dynamics
______________________

It's just a district court ruling, right? Not binding.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 18, 2022 05:26 PM (es0Dj)

80 Maybe worth learning to ride and opening a stable. Lotta blacksmiths out there now so you're covered there.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Daughter and g-babies have two horses.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:26 PM (EMO0a)

81 This type of information would be relevant in a country with laws and justice.

Too bad.

Posted by: jwest at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (/BlEx)

82 time for a less eyestraining scok

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (OuH7W)

83 Obviously Berman ruled incorrectly and the correct ruling would be against Trump.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (x6HrW)

84 And while Ace is on the subject, Amy Jackson Brennan turned in kind of a "meh" performance in Heat.

But she's got a .... GREAT ASS!

Posted by: Vincent Hanna check's out McCauley's moll at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (h5TKJ)

85 Everything is going to fall apart. Kroger has been out of store brand ice cream sandwiches for weeks. 12 for $2. If they come back they will probably be $20.

Now that's a damn shame. I've had the $2 box of Kroger Ice Cream Sandwiches before. Worth every bit of fifty cents a sandwich. That was a bargain.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (pMwL9)

86 69 The director of the archives (librarian) has already stated that he has the power to decide what a president can declassify, and that he can reclassify any record that has been declassified.

He also stated that he needs a replacement not chosen by a future president Trump, otherwise certain documents might not get 'lost'.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 05:24 PM (lTGtQ)


Well, I guess it makes about as much sense as the CDC stating that it has the power to tell landlords how much rent they can charge.

Posted by: CppThis at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (UewuT)

87 And Chevy says next year is the last year for Camaros, even though it takes SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS TO FUCKING ORDER ONE, they are so popular.

I started having problems with my '13 Ford Fusion. It takes 10 days to get an appointment. It takes 10 MONTHS to get a new tranny.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (/NCI4)

88 I think this will end up like the Flynn trial. They will find some absolute crank activist judge who'll keep things going as long as possible even changing the rules in midstream and allowing the prosecution to repeatedly change their entire case without a new trial, just to F Trump over.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (Ivdso)

89 The director of the archives (librarian) has already stated that he has the power to decide what a president can declassify, and that he can reclassify any record that has been declassified.

He also stated that he needs a replacement not chosen by a future president Trump, otherwise certain documents might not get 'lost'.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 05:24 PM


SCOTUS has already ruled that is not the law and the President can do whatever he wants in regards to classified documents. This is going to wind up at SCOTUS and tie up Trump through 2025 and beyond.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (bVYXr)

90 It's just a district court ruling, right? Not binding.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

well, yeah, it's also in Column A, not Column B, of the two tier justice system.

but still, this is gonna be a wrench.

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 18, 2022 05:28 PM (OuH7W)

91 well, lookee here. DC kinda already said the law on this matter. So, if I were Merrick, and I read the law...what is the next move?

Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom Speaker-EdD Intersectional Dynamics at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (OuH7W)


Declare the state of Florida to be contumacious?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 05:28 PM (xhaym)

92 The car lots are empty. Paper is in short supply. Electricity is too. Everything in the pipelines is hung up. You bet it's the plan. The people in power want to tear down this country while getting fat from plundering it.

Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 05:28 PM (sn5EN)

93 The director of the archives (librarian) has already stated that he has the power to decide what a president can declassify, and that he can reclassify any record that has been declassified.

He also stated that he needs a replacement not chosen by a future president Trump, otherwise certain documents might not get 'lost'.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 05:24 PM (lTGtQ)

Soooo... he has more power then the President of the US? The President from whom his authority is derived? /facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:28 PM (oHd/0)

94 The director of the archives (librarian) has already stated that he has the power to decide what a president can declassify, and that he can reclassify any record that has been declassified.

Clearly but only for republican presidents named Trump or DeSantis.

Posted by: Hawaiian federal judge at August 18, 2022 05:28 PM (u4CEu)

95 We can easily see that corporations are in on the tyranny. No separation between government and corporations anymore. We still think in capitalistic terms. It isn't capitalism anymore.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 05:29 PM (Vr12I)

96
"Trump has no standing based on Putin stealing the 2016 election for him from Hillary!"

/I'm old enough to remember back when being an Election-Denier was Cool, and Dissent was Patriotic. Good times, good times ...

Posted by: ShainS -- VDH-Endorsed-by-Proxy Connoisseur of Cruelty at August 18, 2022 05:29 PM (rY/ZL)

97 Declare the state of Florida to be contumacious?

Today's quiz: "proud man's contumely". Identify the source. No cheating.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:29 PM (/NCI4)

98 The whole EV transition thing is going to be an unmitigated disaster.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis


Transition is an expansive word. The current meaning is to move from powered transportation to non powered transportation.

Question: What did people use for transportation prior to horses?

Answer: Internal combustion engines.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 05:29 PM (lTGtQ)

99 I think this will end up like the Flynn trial.

//

the clown crew of dc judges is still there. Reggie Walton is still looking through the mueller report looking for the secret evidence section (j/k he sotto voce gave up and redacted more of it)

but I don't think Trump's going to plea guilty like Flynn did.

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 18, 2022 05:29 PM (OuH7W)

100 On the classification issue, both Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama signed executive orders -- which remain in force to this day -- declaring that presidents have sweeping authority to declassify secrets and do not have to follow the mandatory declassification procedures all other government officials do.
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As it should be.

All executive power is vested in the President, classification of documents is not a legislative or judicial function (although they *are* trying to make it one), QED the president decides the treatment of any document.

Including mopping up spooge on blue dresses.

Posted by: Axeman at August 18, 2022 05:29 PM (krQz2)

101 Easy peasy for a leftwing “judge” to distinguish this: Obama wasn’t under a cloud of suspicion of criminal acts up to and including treason, leaving the toilet seat up, and poisoning the cat of one of Ace of Spade’s commenters.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2022 05:30 PM (V5dMC)

102 yeah, so a civil matter doesn't have 50 FBI ped devils swat raid your place. You maybe have a little trial where both sides talk and then the court issues an order.

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 18, 2022 05:30 PM (OuH7W)

103 We can easily see that corporations are in on the tyranny. No separation between government and corporations anymore. We still think in capitalistic terms. It isn't capitalism anymore.
Posted by: kraken
___

And unless the tech giants are brought under heel, 2024 is going to be a repeat of 2020.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:30 PM (EMO0a)

104 Posted by: rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows at August 18, 2022 05:25 PM (/NCI4)

Ah, the Four Enemies that wound up being only three enemies and one that is not mentioned, in retrospect.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 05:30 PM (xhaym)

105 Can someone explain to me why Bryce Dallas Howard's parents named her not just one, not two, but THREE DUDE'S NAMES?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:31 PM (Ivdso)

106 cloud of suspicion of criminal acts up to and including treason, leaving the toilet seat up, and poisoning the cat of one of Ace of Spade’s commenters.
Posted by: Elric Blade

the "cloud of criminal" suspicion being the existence of the documents being a crime. snake eat tail.

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 18, 2022 05:31 PM (OuH7W)

107 And Chevy says next year is the last year for Camaros, even though it takes SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS TO FUCKING ORDER ONE, they are so popular.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:26 PM (oHd/0)


That one's interesting, but not unprecedented. Dodge also killed a popular car, even while they were running in NASCAR. And Ford, even before the EV dumbness, willingly got out of the Taurus business all while it was an incredibly popular fleet car.

ICE isn't going away, of this I'm sure. Also, pay attention to who ain't jumping exclusively into EVs. Any of the foreign makers.

I'm not saying the CEOs of the Big Three ain't stupid ... they are. But I am saying there's quite a bit of talk out both sides of the mouth right now. A whole lot of talk.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:31 PM (pMwL9)

108 88 I think this will end up like the Flynn trial. They will find some absolute crank activist judge who'll keep things going as long as possible even changing the rules in midstream and allowing the prosecution to repeatedly change their entire case without a new trial, just to F Trump over.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (Ivdso)


iirc, that dickwad made himself judge, jury, and prosecutor.

Posted by: davidt at August 18, 2022 05:31 PM (oTZbj)

109 @58

>>We really need to get some reference material that isn't at least 40 years old.

The average age of the people who comment on this blog is around 55, your tastes, personality and cultural references are crystalized and set by the time your 25.

Also the last twenty years have been rough for culture and the most recent quotable cultural references are probably from the early aughts.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (V9b2V)

110 BTW, GM, Ford, and Chrysler are headed for the dustbin of history.

They are headed for bankruptcy again, unless another bailout is in the works.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (lTGtQ)

111 Easy peasy for a leftwing “judge” to distinguish this: Obama wasn’t under a cloud of suspicion of criminal acts up to and including treason, leaving the toilet seat up, and poisoning the cat of one of Ace of Spade’s commenters.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2022 05:30 PM


Trump turned me into a newt!

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (bVYXr)

112
What about China building a coal-fired powerplant every three weeks?

I never believed that. I worked for a power company and those things are complex.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (63Dwl)

113 95 We can easily see that corporations are in on the tyranny. No separation between government and corporations anymore. We still think in capitalistic terms. It isn't capitalism anymore.
Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 05:29 PM (Vr12I)

And the partnership of Industry and government is a defining characteristic of WHAT form of Government Boys and Girls? (and JUST BOYS AND GIRLS)....

Can you say Fascism? Nice try... I know you could...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (oHd/0)

114 Dang, my "Last Dance" season 2 documentary synopsis, with Trump leading the Washington Generals was orphaned in last thread.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (fs1hN)

115 iirc, that dickwad made himself judge, jury, and prosecutor.

And succeeded at everything he was trying, while paying no price for it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (Ivdso)

116 110 BTW, GM, Ford, and Chrysler are headed for the dustbin of history.

They are headed for bankruptcy again, unless another bailout is in the works.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (lTGtQ)

As I said, government and corporations are now one.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 05:33 PM (Vr12I)

117 108 88 I think this will end up like the Flynn trial. They will find some absolute crank activist judge who'll keep things going as long as possible even changing the rules in midstream and allowing the prosecution to repeatedly change their entire case without a new trial, just to F Trump over.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (Ivdso)

iirc, that dickwad made himself judge, jury, and prosecutor.
Posted by: davidt at August 18, 2022 05:31 PM (oTZbj)

And did not get slapped down for it by any Court above him... AS HE SHOULD HAVE. He was in direct Contempt of orders from the Court Above him...

But I guess contempt is only against the Law if you are a Conservative.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:34 PM (oHd/0)

118 "They are headed for bankruptcy again, unless another bailout is in the works.
Posted by: Thomas Paine "

Too big to fail.

Posted by: Congress, passing another trillion dollar bill at August 18, 2022 05:34 PM (sn5EN)

119 22 What did I miss today?

Moscow's in flames.
Missiles headed for New York.
Film at 11.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2022 05:14 PM (anj39)



Nothing that serious.

Just the US/NATO controlled Ukrainian military shelling a nuclear plant in southeast Ukraine and Russia moving fighter planes armed with hypersonic missiles to Kaliningrad.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 18, 2022 05:34 PM (ZBXeX)

120 110 BTW, GM, Ford, and Chrysler are headed for the dustbin of history.

They are headed for bankruptcy again, unless another bailout is in the works.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (lTGtQ)

Aren't they all making tons of money? Unless you mean long haul over the EV thing.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:34 PM (b2nrj)

121
GM, Ford, and Chrysler are headed for the dustbin of history.

To be replaced by AmeriCAR! Bernie's best.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 18, 2022 05:34 PM (63Dwl)

122 And Chevy says next year is the last year for Camaros, even though it takes SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS TO FUCKING ORDER ONE, they are so popular.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:26 PM (oHd/0)

That one's interesting, but not unprecedented. Dodge also killed a popular car, even while they were running in NASCAR. And Ford, even before the EV dumbness, willingly got out of the Taurus business all while it was an incredibly popular fleet car.
______________
I loved the Magic Negro bailing out GM on the condition that it close the Saturn division, the only one making money. Also, by odd coincidence, the only one not unionized.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara - Impeach Joe Biden at August 18, 2022 05:35 PM (nYlxS)

123 BTW, GM, Ford, and Chrysler are headed for the dustbin of history.

They are headed for bankruptcy again, unless another bailout is in the works.


Hence why Ford is making such a big deal of "Super Duty", and Dodge makes such a big deal about badging "Ram". You won't see Dodge on a Ram pickup anymore, anywhere.

They're all trying to split that shit into what makes money ... half ton pickups and bigger ... and what does not. Which is everything else.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:35 PM (pMwL9)

124 The Feds can take over the car companies to keep the grift, I mean business, going.

Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 05:35 PM (sn5EN)

125 As a result of western governments’ taking collective action under the auspices of a ‘climate change’ agenda, we are on the cusp of something happening with ramifications that no one has ever seen before. (CTH)

https://tinyurl.com/2bpas9ae

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:36 PM (EMO0a)

126 Yeah, fucking o'bama (is that a phrase or what, fucking o'bama); Anyway, fucking o'bama took all of his documents and put them in a warehouse in Chicago.

Archives said, we want the the documents.
O'bama said, bite me.

Imagine Archives on its knees.



Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 05:36 PM (07iSR)

127 What about China building a coal-fired powerplant every three weeks?

I never believed that. I worked for a power company and those things are complex.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (63Dwl)
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Yeah. Quality ones are.

I'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying that complexity and time depend on quality.

Posted by: Axeman at August 18, 2022 05:36 PM (krQz2)

128 "Anyone who says there is a reference point to determine both the short-term and long-term consequences is lying. There is no precedent for nations’ collectively and intentionally trying to reduce economic activity."

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:37 PM (EMO0a)

129 >>> we are on the cusp of something...

https://tinyurl.com/2bpas9ae
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:36 PM (EMO0a)
`-------------------

I'm always on the cusp of something.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 05:38 PM (07iSR)

130 I loved the Magic Negro bailing out GM on the condition that it close the Saturn division, the only one making money. Also, by odd coincidence, the only one not unionized.

Be fair. They also screwed bond holders and various GM dealerships.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:38 PM (pMwL9)

131
And the partnership of Industry and government is a defining characteristic of WHAT form of Government Boys and Girls? (and JUST BOYS AND GIRLS)....
Can you say Fascism? Nice try... I know you could...
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (oHd/0)


Here we call it regulatory capture and Public Choice endgame.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 05:38 PM (xhaym)

132 130 "I loved the Magic Negro bailing out GM on the condition that it close the Saturn division, the only one making money. Also, by odd coincidence, the only one not unionized."

Be fair. They also screwed bond holders and various GM dealerships.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:38 PM (pMwL9)

And then GM went bankrupt anyways.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM (b2nrj)

133
I know cheney's big loss is old news, now, but this Razorfist's take is always worth watching:

https://youtu.be/JgBfV2vdkwE

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM (3Iwtu)

134 Is there a liberal judge who is not hyperpartisan?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM (eGTCV)

135 @131

>>Here we call it regulatory capture and Public Choice endgame.

It's a bundle of sticks.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM (V9b2V)

136 Sundance:

"In North America (U.S-Canada), Europe and Australia, there will continue to be massive increases in food prices as a result of the collapse in energy production. Beyond the western nations there will be food shortages as a result of lowered harvest yields and less industrial food production. This is not controversial.

It is also not controversial that regions with harsh winter climates are going to be paying much more for scarce heating resources.

That being accepted, what happens geopolitically, even militarily, when the entire global economy starts to feel the impacts from western nation economic contraction on a scale -created by collective action- that has never been seen before."

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM (EMO0a)

137 There is no precedent for nations’ collectively and intentionally trying to reduce economic activity.

OK - I'll argue with the author on this. FDR economic policy during the Great Depression. Specifically when slaughtering live-stock and burning crops before they could reach market.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM (pMwL9)

138 GM, Ford, and Chrysler are headed for the dustbin of history.

Mostly because they've spent hundreds of millions tooling up for EVs, which have already -

pre-failed before their huge rollout.

They're trying to sell an inferior almost useless product at luxury car prices.

It's as though the entire car industry suddenly decide to build and sell AMC Gremlins.

Brilliant thinking, a-holes!

Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2022 05:40 PM (5NkmN)

139 Is there a liberal judge who is not hyperpartisan?

That's why they were selected, so no.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:40 PM (/NCI4)

140 Ace... you talk as if there's actually equality under the law!
Nope... the social contract is breached. Like yo momma.

Posted by: weew at August 18, 2022 05:40 PM (+m+uH)

141 112
"What about China building a coal-fired powerplant every three weeks?"

I never believed that. I worked for a power company and those things are complex.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 18, 2022 05:32 PM (63Dwl)

It's not that they're building them in 3 weeks, it's a large country with lots of people, so many coal plants under construction simultaneously.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:40 PM (b2nrj)

142 Willpower from the last dregs of the last thread:

>>>>Some of us are preparing, as opposed to cheerleading.
Posted by: SMH


Of course! Aren't we all? And Idk that it has to be either/or. Maybe some people can do both/and quite nicely. Like the men working on repairing the wall in Nehemiah and Ezra.
Posted by: Prime Sister

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 18, 2022 05:40 PM (tQL7r)

143 This is a yo momma joke thread, right?
Aren't they all, technically?

Posted by: weew at August 18, 2022 05:41 PM (+m+uH)

144 128 "Anyone who says there is a reference point to determine both the short-term and long-term consequences is lying. There is no precedent for nations’ collectively and intentionally trying to reduce economic activity."
Posted by: SMH
----------------------

Check out Stalin
Check out Holodomor

Think the Romans used that tactic on a few enemies.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 05:41 PM (07iSR)

145 89 SCOTUS has already ruled that is not the law and the President can do whatever he wants in regards to classified documents. This is going to wind up at SCOTUS and tie up Trump through 2025 and beyond.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 18, 2022 05:27 PM (bVYXr)


Will SCOTUS declare it moot when Trump gets Epsteined?

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 18, 2022 05:41 PM (DTX3h)

146 osculum est mortis stare decisis

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at August 18, 2022 05:41 PM (kC+Z2)

147 It's as though the entire car industry suddenly decide to build and sell AMC Gremlins.

As the former owner of an AMC Gremlin, this is a calumny which must not stand. Or not. They sucked.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:41 PM (/NCI4)

148 Pixy is a little SPAM touchy this afternoon.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 05:41 PM (07iSR)

149 There is no precedent for nations’ collectively and intentionally trying to reduce economic activity.

OK - I'll argue with the author on this. FDR economic policy during the Great Depression. Specifically when slaughtering live-stock and burning crops before they could reach market.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM


Add in price and wage controls to that list. Granted during WWII it was vital to us winning the war, but nixon ordering wage controls and a price freeze on oil in 1971 meet that definition.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 18, 2022 05:42 PM (bVYXr)

150 137 "There is no precedent for nations’ collectively and intentionally trying to reduce economic activity."

OK - I'll argue with the author on this. FDR economic policy during the Great Depression. Specifically when slaughtering live-stock and burning crops before they could reach market.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM (pMwL9)

They weren't trying to hamper the economy by doing so, as dumb as it sounds. They were trying to boost the economy.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:42 PM (b2nrj)

151
"In the ways that count, liz cheney won"
--NYT

Yes, the Loser "won." In a banana republic this is true.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at August 18, 2022 05:42 PM (3Iwtu)

152 So, that should be it then. Return the documents with an apology and sanctions for those involved.

Easy Peasy.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 05:42 PM (Q+K8B)

153 They sucked.
Posted by: Archimedes
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But with that big V8 and a stick they were scary fast.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 05:43 PM (07iSR)

154 hire an Establishment Beltway Political Consultant for 15% of my grifting take to research whether Lincoln will play in Texas

Chuy, you might want to expand your comparisons to figures other than Lincoln.

Also, if you're gonna play in Tejas, you gotta have a fiddle in the band.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 18, 2022 05:43 PM (a3Q+t)

155 nixon ordering wage controls and a price freeze on oil in 1971 meet that definition.
Posted by: Mister Scott

Fuck Nixon

Posted by: SFGoth at August 18, 2022 05:43 PM (KAi1n)

156 "Anyone who says there is a reference point to determine both the short-term and long-term consequences is lying. There is no precedent for nations’ collectively and intentionally trying to reduce economic activity."
Posted by: SMH
----------------------

Check out Stalin
Check out Holodomor

Think the Romans used that tactic on a few enemies.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 05:41 PM (07iSR)


Ask the plains Indians about us slaughtering the buffalo so they would have nothing to eat.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 05:44 PM (Q+K8B)

157 136 It is also not controversial that regions with harsh winter climates are going to be paying much more for scarce heating resources.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM (EMO0a)


Good thing Europe worked so hard--and it really was a lot of hard work over a decade--to engineer a proxy war with the country that provides its winter heat. Their Top Men are as SHMAAAHHT as ours!

Posted by: CppThis at August 18, 2022 05:44 PM (UewuT)

158 OK - I'll argue with the author on this. FDR economic policy during the Great Depression. Specifically when slaughtering live-stock and burning crops before they could reach market.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM (pMwL9)

They weren't trying to hamper the economy by doing so, as dumb as it sounds. They were trying to boost the economy.


How about China after the treasure fleets? They knew there were other civilizations, but they didn't want to benefit from them. For that matter, medieval Japan closed itself off from the world, because round-eye.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:44 PM (/NCI4)

159 nixon ordering wage controls and a price freeze on oil in 1971 meet that definition.
Posted by: Mister Scott

Fuck Nixon

Posted by: SFGoth at August 18, 2022 05:43 PM


No thanks.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 18, 2022 05:44 PM (bVYXr)

160
That c***nt adam kinzinger is now going after Christian pastors!

They aren't denouncing "trumpism" enough, you see. Adam the c***nt says Trump supporters equate him with a Christ figure.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at August 18, 2022 05:44 PM (3Iwtu)

161 Add in price and wage controls to that list. Granted during WWII it was vital to us winning the war, but nixon ordering wage controls and a price freeze on oil in 1971 meet that definition.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 18, 2022 05:42 PM (bVYXr)

The wage and price controls just counteracted other dumb stuff they were doing(they had been promoting rising wages and prices for some time which keep unemployment high).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:45 PM (b2nrj)

162 "But with that big V8 and a stick they were scary fast.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials?"

They were so strangled they only put out about 150hp. I suppose that's better than 100 though.

Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 05:45 PM (sn5EN)

163 They weren't trying to hamper the economy by doing so, as dumb as it sounds. They were trying to boost the economy.

I can try to make my wedding tackle bigger by cutting off the head. What I did, however, was make my wedding tackle smaller. Intentions mean jack shit in such a situation.

What FDR did, by destroying desired ag goods before they could reach market, was deny economic activity. By definition. I don't care what they were trying to do. Denying economic activity was what they did.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:45 PM (pMwL9)

164 Are we still under the no dick proscription?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 18, 2022 05:45 PM (a3Q+t)

165 @138

>>pre-failed before their huge rollout.


EV's are the ultimate in dissposible and planned obsolescence.

EV's, unlike ICE vehicles, lose range every year and in roughly ten years have zero usable range whereby the battery pack needs to be replaced.

And as we've seen, owners of the first generation of EV's are being told that there are no battery packs available to replace their depleted batteries and are having to go to the grey market for salvaged batteries.

EV's may be an even bigger scam than the female G-Spot.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 05:45 PM (V9b2V)

166 Check out Stalin
Check out Holodomor

Think the Romans used that tactic on a few enemies.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 05:41 PM (07iSR)

Ask the plains Indians about us slaughtering the buffalo so they would have nothing to eat.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 05:44 PM (Q+K8B)

Middle ages was full of Kings using 'punishment raids' against enemies. Go in, loot and pillage... burn down their villages... ie.. kill their economy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:46 PM (oHd/0)

167 I had a dark red 1996 Saturn SL2. Drove it cross country. Loved it. Wrecked it. Neither the Audi nor the Mazda3 since have replaced it in my heart.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 18, 2022 05:46 PM (KAi1n)

168 They still managed about 250lb-ft with the V8 though so they would get up and go.

Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 05:46 PM (sn5EN)

169 I saw No Dick Proscription open for Hole at the Gorge in '04.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 18, 2022 05:46 PM (aaGzp)

170 Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:39 PM (pMwL9)

They weren't trying to hamper the economy by doing so, as dumb as it sounds. They were trying to boost the economy.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:42 PM (b2nrj)
-----------------------

FDR & Co were trying to kill it.
They wanted to re-form the USA into their sick vision of good.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 05:46 PM (07iSR)

171 As Al Gore woud say, this decision is not controlling precedent, as it's readily distinguishable.

Because the names of the parties would be different, you see.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2022 05:47 PM (i0slg)

172 Well fuck.

Sometimes it's more important to be kind than it is to be right.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 18, 2022 05:47 PM (U2p+3)

173 Fuck Nixon
Posted by: SFGoth at August 18, 2022 05:43 PM


He's dead, SFGoth.

Posted by: Bones at August 18, 2022 05:47 PM (a3Q+t)

174 Did FDR conspire with other nations to slaughter livestock? No.

Did Stalin conspire with other western nations to slaughter his people, and did they do the same? No.

Did the Romans conspire with other nations to reduce their economic prosperity. No.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:47 PM (EMO0a)

175
Insty has a story about a Chinese province shutting off electricity to factories

Ha ha

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at August 18, 2022 05:47 PM (uW2OD)

176 I now really want to become a thuggish cad. Are there classes?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 18, 2022 05:47 PM (eGTCV)

177 Add in price and wage controls to that list. Granted during WWII it was vital to us winning the war, but nixon ordering wage controls and a price freeze on oil in 1971 meet that definition.

I always love the "WW II got us out of the Great Depression" argument. Which is the same policy our current dick noses in charge are running now.

Oh yes, let's create forced scarcity for a few years, then watch how everybody goes nuts when you finally stop. It's like hitting yourself in the face with a hammer. I'm sure it feels awesome when you quit.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:47 PM (pMwL9)

178 They were so strangled they only put out about 150hp. I suppose that's better than 100 though.
Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 05:45 PM (sn5EN)



I have my 1983 Honda C70 scooter going again. 5HP I think.

I just managed to eke out 40mph going to the store on it. I was hoping for 45 but it is stumbling on max throttle.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 05:47 PM (Q+K8B)

179 I can try to make my wedding tackle bigger by cutting off the head. What I did, however, was make my wedding tackle smaller. Intentions mean jack shit in such a situation.

What FDR did, by destroying desired ag goods before they could reach market, was deny economic activity. By definition. I don't care what they were trying to do. Denying economic activity was what they did.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:45 PM (pMwL9)

The specific claim included intent. There are plenty of examples of countries unintentionally destroying economic activity while meaning to promote it.

" There is no precedent for nations’ collectively and intentionally trying to reduce economic activity.""

FDR and his crew(so was Hoover) were worried about the threat of deflation. So tried to promote rising prices by creating scarcity.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:48 PM (b2nrj)

180 Mollie
@MZHemingway

1h
McConnell bizarrely signals he's preparing for failure.
1) Unlike McCarthy, he previously refused to outline an agenda, saying he could flip Senate on sufficiency of Biden's failures alone.
2) He hot mad that voters rejected some of his picks, so he wants them to lose as a lesson


@frankthorp

MCCONNELL in KY asked for his midterm projections: "I think there's probably a greater likelihood the House flips than the Senate. Senate races are just different, they're statewide, candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome."

Posted by: redridinghood at August 18, 2022 05:48 PM (NpAcC)

181 It's not that they're building them in 3 weeks, it's a large country with lots of people, so many coal plants under construction simultaneously.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:40 PM (b2nrj)


But apparently they are not creating enough power to offset the hydro that is being lost.

And for some reason those massive floods that overfilled the Three Gorges dam in July 2021 didn't fill the other dams enough to survive the current drought.

When everything is a lie, all you can do is ask what seems realistic. China lies a lot, I suspect the real problem is that their banks are going to start taking serious dumps, and then the folk that lost their money are going to get shirty, and then Xi is going to roll in the tanks on the rioters.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 05:48 PM (xhaym)

182 Sorry.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 18, 2022 05:48 PM (U2p+3)

183 It sounds like these precedents are getting together and wrapping barbed wire around the pineapple which will just be handed to Trump.

Posted by: Roy at August 18, 2022 05:48 PM (Ti+Tv)

184 @141 Red Turban Someguy-The Chinese are hard at it with every form of energy producing plants. Last week a Chinese molten salt reactor was cleared for start up in the Gansu Province/Wuwei City. This is the same as Bill Gates TerraPower Natrum reactor being built in Wyoming right now. Environmentalists are celebrating praising and cheering China right now for their work in developing clean safe nuclear energy.

Green and Clean nuclear is coming to America baby!!!

Posted by: JROD at August 18, 2022 05:48 PM (0jZnq)

185 Lunacy From Loony Land: "Canadian Government Offers Veteran Struggling With PTSD Assisted Suicide Instead of Help"

WTH?

I thought this was a bat boy type story at first. Nope, It was reported by Global National, an established Canadian news organization.

http://tiny.cc/7fgwuz

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (FF+On)

186 NO DICKS!

Posted by: Edna Mode at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (Q+K8B)

187
I just managed to eke out 40mph going to the store on it.
Posted by: G'rump928


What's the matter, your rider mower broken?

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (3Iwtu)

188 "In the ways that count, liz cheney won"
--NYT


Willowed, best response to this I've seen is a little cartoon.

Wyoming resident "Can you stop Biden from taking away 1000s of Wyoming Jbs?"
Liz Cheney: "I'm gonna investigate Donald Trump"
WR: "Could you hold Biden responsible for the Afghanistan debacle?"
LC: "I'm gonna investigate Donald Trump"
WR: "We're literally the most conservative state in the union, can you not at least pretend to stand for us?"
LC: "I'm gonna investigate Donald Trump"
WR: "OK I'm not gonna vote for you"
LC: "Wow you traitors are so obsessed with Trump!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (Ivdso)

189 Did the ancient world have anything like BUILD BACK BETTER where all the top nations in the world got together and said, "You know what? People are just too prosperous, and we need to do something about it."

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (EMO0a)

190 EV's may be an even bigger scam than the female G-Spot.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
---------------

EV's are real
the scam is that they will save the planet
they are a toy for rich people
that's all

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (07iSR)

191 Mollie
@MZHemingway
Top Cheney Lieutenant On J6 Committee Seeks To Sabotage GOP Chances In Missouri With Independent Senate Run

Posted by: redridinghood at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (NpAcC)

192 Anyone know if its possible to change venue in a DC kangaroo court hosting a DOJ circus trial?

Posted by: LASue at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (Ed8Zd)

193 The target of the tyrants is Peace and Prosperity. This is so alien to most Americans that they cannot process what is going on right in front of them. The incomprehension may be fatal.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 05:50 PM (Vr12I)

194 Senate races are just different, they're statewide, candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome.

Wow no arrogant elitism there huh?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:50 PM (Ivdso)

195 When everything is a lie, all you can do is ask what seems realistic. China lies a lot, I suspect the real problem is that their banks are going to start taking serious dumps, and then the folk that lost their money are going to get shirty, and then Xi is going to roll in the tanks on the rioters.

You can always print more money, so that the folks looking at a complete loss only lose 50%. I'm absolutely certain that's Xi's plan. Also, Taiwan.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:50 PM (/NCI4)

196 EV's may be an even bigger scam than the female G-Spot.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 05:45 PM (V9b2V)

Electricity in the evening is .36 per Kilowatt hour. 100 KW Battery? Thats $36 to run 200 miles.

I get 22 Miles per gallon in me truck... so about 9 gallons worth of gas. So if gas is NOT over $4.00 per gallon? My truck is CHEAPER per mile.

Ergo, if they had not made gas prices artificially high, there is not economic advantage for electric... at all.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:50 PM (oHd/0)

197 The target of the tyrants is Peace and Prosperity. This is so alien to most Americans that they cannot process what is going on right in front of them. The incomprehension may be fatal.
Posted by: kraken
__

Thank you.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:50 PM (EMO0a)

198 While it does matter, a DC jury will find some crime to charge DJT

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2022 05:51 PM (k8B25)

199 I never had a Saturn, but the idea behind them seemed pretty good. Compete with Japan by making a clean break with the institutional dysfunction that had built up in the US auto industry.

Posted by: CppThis at August 18, 2022 05:51 PM (UewuT)

200 Some auto manufacturers are hedging their bets with EV's by spinning off their EV production, sales and service into a separate company. The parent ICE company still stands, perhaps as a shell, but it's still there.

I've yet to read about one of the "Big 3" dismantling much of their ICE infrastructure. There's plenty of fresh grift available to build up EV production so why would they go all in until there's a clear path for profit?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2022 05:51 PM (BFigT)

201 196 EV's may be an even bigger scam than the female G-Spot.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 05:45 PM (V9b2V)


I'm buying a EV, stat

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2022 05:51 PM (us2H3)

202 What's the matter, your rider mower broken?


The cup holder fell off.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 05:51 PM (Q+K8B)

203 Sorry.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 18, 2022 05:48 PM


Apologies accepted.

Posted by: River Otters at August 18, 2022 05:51 PM (a3Q+t)

204 None of this matters. The Deep State and far left wants blood. Former Trump executive has been sentenced for some BS tax evasion and will be forced to negotiate a plea deal and testify against him Giuliani is next. Everybody around him his going to be rounded up and ground down. We are going to see the ex-president arrested soon, just like a third world country. Un-fing-believable.

Posted by: Ripley at August 18, 2022 05:52 PM (MxEKc)

205 @112 I never believed that. I worked for a power company and those things are complex.

----

Who said that they're starting and finishing each one in a three week period? A more accurate way of phrasing it would likely be that China's finishing a coal plant every three weeks. China's a big country. Lots of room for new coal plants there, and lots of increasing demand for electricity in parts of the country that don't have much

Posted by: junior at August 18, 2022 05:52 PM (iubYE)

206 Last week a Chinese molten salt reactor was cleared for start up in the Gansu Province/Wuwei City.

The prevailing winds blow any radioactive waste out to sea in the Pacific. Well, over Taiwan and Japan first, but after that....

Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:52 PM (/NCI4)

207 FDR and his crew(so was Hoover) were worried about the threat of deflation. So tried to promote rising prices by creating scarcity.

They purposely denied economic activity. That's all there is to it. End of story.

There is no other way to describe burning crops and killing livestock before it can reach market - other than denying the opportunity to both buy and sell it. I'm really not interested in the why's. It was a denial of economic activity.

I'm sure this argument seems much, much more subtle and interesting in your head.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:52 PM (pMwL9)

208 12 "Laws?? Laws are for the little people."

--Leona Helmsley et al.
Posted by: Beverly at August 18, 2022 05:12 PM (cq3U1)

Remember the good ol' days when that comment shocked us?

Posted by: Anonymous Guy in Kalifornistan at August 18, 2022 05:52 PM (Qk8vt)

209 If the FB found anything that justified the raid, they would have leaked it by now.

Every single time they have gone after Trump-- every single time-- they have leaked the most damaging with the most damaging spin.

Never, not once, have they held back any form of anything
even remotely bad.

But let the media go ahead and claim this time--for sure!-- they haven't leaked and won't .... 'cause mumble mumble reasons.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 18, 2022 05:52 PM (hmQna)

210 Saw a EV plug in and said first 4 hours was $.25 and after 4 hours a $1 a hour.
Suspect this is being funded a bit

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2022 05:53 PM (k8B25)

211 now hear me out, these judges could just uphold the law and not be bitter, weirdo leftist gulag masters

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 18, 2022 05:53 PM (OuH7W)

212 "I have my 1983 Honda C70 scooter going again. 5HP I think."

My 70s Trail 70 would do 50 with a tailwind and a guy a good bit lighter than he is today.

Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 05:53 PM (sn5EN)

213 Speaking of batteries, I'm home sick with Covid and the batteries in my TV remote just died, and I'm all out of AAA.

I see a lesson in this, no?

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2022 05:53 PM (i0slg)

214 All but one of the cars my parents and I have are over 10 years old. The pickup truck remembers the 20th century.

Can EVs make a similar boast? I calculate not.

Posted by: CppThis at August 18, 2022 05:54 PM (UewuT)

215 210 Sometime if see one somewhere else will check their charges

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2022 05:54 PM (k8B25)

216 You can always print more money, so that the folks looking at a complete loss only lose 50%. I'm absolutely certain that's Xi's plan. Also, Taiwan.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:50 PM (/NCI4)

Xi does not need to print money, as long as we are exporting our wealth to his country, via the Trade deficit.

In March of 2022, the Trade deficit FOR THAT MONTH ALONE, was $34 BILLION... for China alone. That is a $400 BILLION per year rate... about 2% of our total Yearly GDP.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:54 PM (oHd/0)

217 I saw No Dick Proscription open for Hole at the Gorge in '04.
Posted by: Captain Obvious

///

oh, are we doing dick talk again?

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 18, 2022 05:54 PM (OuH7W)

218 I now really want to become a thuggish cad. Are there classes?
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 18, 2022 05:47 PM (eGTCV)

Yes, but you probably should start slowly with Rapscallion 101 and Beginning Ruffianship or Hooliganism

Posted by: LASue at August 18, 2022 05:54 PM (Ed8Zd)

219 and a guy a good bit lighter than he is today.

Yeah, if I was a 125lb Vietnamese I'd be flying around.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 05:54 PM (Q+K8B)

220 Trump kicked over the rice bowls.

Posted by: davidt at August 18, 2022 05:55 PM (oTZbj)

221 Mitch not only wants to Run the GOP caucus

he also wants to collaborate with the dims

and be the sole selector of GOP candidates in senate races

he is a real sack of shit

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2022 05:55 PM (us2H3)

222 mitch doesn't want to be senate majority leader. he's holding back those nsrc funds

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 18, 2022 05:55 PM (OuH7W)

223 "Speaking of batteries, I'm home sick with Covid and the batteries in my TV remote just died, and I'm all out of AAA.
I see a lesson in this, no?
Posted by: Ignoramus

Do you have a windmill you can hook it to?

Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 05:55 PM (sn5EN)

224 I now really want to become a thuggish cad. Are there classes?
Posted by: N.L. Urker
___________________

Quantico, evidently.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 18, 2022 05:56 PM (es0Dj)

225 I have my 1983 Honda C70 scooter going again. 5HP I think.

I just managed to eke out 40mph going to the store on it. I was hoping for 45 but it is stumbling on max throttle.

Ha, I have one of those, I also have a CT 110

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 18, 2022 05:56 PM (M+Lyo)

226 Car prices have started coming back down to earth if ever so slightly. Toyota dealer in my burg actually has some inventory on the lot now. As recently as March or April the lot was literally empty, save for a few used cars/trucks.

So it appears the auto market is kinda heading back to normal.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 05:56 PM (OalnH)

227 Neither the Audi nor the Mazda3 since have replaced it in my heart.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 18, 2022 05:46 PM (KAi1n)


This summer when we went to one of the kiddos graduations, we flew out and rented a car.
They were out of what we hade reserved so they upgraded us for free to an Audi A5 Quattro.

Holy Cow, I absolutely fell in love with that car. Fun to drive, nice and zippy, great AC in the insanely hot AZ summer, and fit my long tall Texan frame to a T.

Were they not so insanely expensive, I would've dumped my old car for a new snazzy Audi A5 Quattro.
But, I didn't.

This story has a sad ending.
*single tear rolls down cheek*

Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2022 05:56 PM (5NkmN)

228 Yeah, if I was a 125lb Vietnamese I'd be flying around.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 05:54 PM (Q+K8B)

Gotta duck down under the wind !

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 18, 2022 05:56 PM (M+Lyo)

229 209 If the FB found anything that justified the raid, they would have leaked it by now.

Every single time they have gone after Trump-- every single time-- they have leaked the most damaging with the most damaging spin.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 18, 2022 05:52 PM (hmQna)


Heck, if they seized anything totally legal but embarrassing like dirty undies or dick pics it would have 'accidentally' appeared on a gossip site by now. They got nuthin!

Posted by: CppThis at August 18, 2022 05:56 PM (UewuT)

230 Did the ancient world have anything like BUILD BACK BETTER where all the top nations in the world got together and said, "You know what? People are just too prosperous, and we need to do something about it."

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (EMO0a)

Hmm, I think that was actually the default style of civilization back then. Royalty, and peons.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 18, 2022 05:56 PM (VwHCD)

231 Jackson also concluded that a decision to challenge a president's decision lies solely with the National Archives and can't be reviewed by a court. If the Archives wants to challenge a decision, that agency and the attorney general can initiate an enforcement mechanism under the law, but it is a civil procedure and has no criminal penalty, she noted.

So it is a civil matter that has no criminal penalty. Oh, that can't stand.

Trump arrested and perp walked with ankle chains, a belly chain with handcuffs, while wearing a dog collar and leash with actual police dogs biting him in the legs.

Pictures at 11.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 18, 2022 05:57 PM (FF+On)

232 I saw No Dick Proscription open for Hole at the Gorge in '04.
Posted by: Captain Obvious

///

oh, are we doing dick talk again?

Posted by: sockamster, doctor of love at August 18, 2022 05:54 PM


Don't be a dick.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 18, 2022 05:57 PM (bVYXr)

233 I may have made a small error. Not 5 days ago, I sold my Toy, the 68 Road Runner I restored. Very nearly broke even on it, too.

Hope I don't come to regret that decision in light of what seems to be coming.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 18, 2022 05:57 PM (KATBx)

234
They purposely denied economic activity. That's all there is to it. End of story.

There is no other way to describe burning crops and killing livestock before it can reach market - other than denying the opportunity to both buy and sell it. I'm really not interested in the why's. It was a denial of economic activity.

I'm sure this argument seems much, much more subtle and interesting in your head.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 05:52 PM (pMwL9)

It's not complicated. They did not intend their actions to do what happened. The original claim you contested was regarding nations intentionally destroying their own economies. FDR(and Hoover before him) is a case of unintentionally doing so. Very frequently economic interventions accomplish the opposite of their intended purpose.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:57 PM (b2nrj)

235 FDR and his crew(so was Hoover) were worried about the threat of deflation. So tried to promote rising prices by creating scarcity.

They tried a whole host of "new" economic theories and ideas by academics and ended up making the depression worse and longer-lasting as a result. They destroyed lives, businesses, and culture, all in the name of progress.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:57 PM (Ivdso)

236 >>Wow no arrogant elitism there huh?

It's not so much that as it is his own personal war against Trump and America First candidates. If they won't bend the knee he won't support their run.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2022 05:58 PM (ZLI7S)

237 Hope I don't come to regret that decision in light of what seems to be coming.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 18, 2022 05:57 PM (KATBx)

383 or 440 ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 18, 2022 05:58 PM (M+Lyo)

238 Never had an ICE car.
All of my were gassers except for the diesels.

old Ford had icy air, though


Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 05:58 PM (07iSR)

239 We are both a Republic and a Democracy, argues Volokh.

One of his points "And the Framers didn't just refer to representative government as democratic—they referred to direct democracy as a republic."

https://tinyurl.com/2s3mctrt

But yes, the distinctions are important. The sovereignty of the states gives them each two senators, that is not very "democratic". But still we believe "we the people" should be "in charge", which is democratic.

But the way we accomplish that is unique, and the left's desire to have one big national vote is their version of democratic ... which is direct democracy. We are representative democracy, with some special distincitons (like state sovereignty, maybe SCOTUS, idk, Eugene Volokh gives better detail than I can.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2022 05:58 PM (Cus5s)

240 my scag cheetah wil do 16-17 mph

when you're mowing, it seems like 50

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2022 05:58 PM (us2H3)

241 Trump kicked over the rice bowls.

Posted by: davidt at August 18, 2022 05:55 PM (oTZbj)

-------

The Night of 1000 Cockroaches Scurrying.

Posted by: ShainS -- VDH-Endorsed-by-Proxy Connoisseur of Cruelty at August 18, 2022 05:58 PM (rY/ZL)

242 None of what is going on now, wherever we look, is due to their incompetence. I would say that in they are being very competent. Evil, but competent.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 05:59 PM (Vr12I)

243 204 None of this matters. The Deep State and far left wants blood.

Apparently a lot of Americans accept their proposal.

Posted by: Roy at August 18, 2022 05:59 PM (Ti+Tv)

244 189 Did the ancient world have anything like BUILD BACK BETTER where all the top nations in the world got together and said, "You know what? People are just too prosperous, and we need to do something about it."
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (EMO0a)

No. Generally rulers understood that their people/population were at minimum a resource that made them wealthier and more powerful.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:59 PM (b2nrj)

245 James Carville: Stupid Republicans voted in the primary and they elected every stupider candidates. Yeah I guess guys like Vance who went to Yale Law and Dr Oz who is you know a real doctor (as opposed to a PhD in Bullshit like Jill) are really stupid people.

No fan of Oz by the way but stupid he is not.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 05:59 PM (OalnH)

246 "You know what? People are just too prosperous, and we need to do something about it."


The Bronze Age Collapse?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 06:00 PM (Q+K8B)

247 I never had a Saturn, but the idea behind them seemed pretty good. Compete with Japan by making a clean break with the institutional dysfunction that had built up in the US auto industry.

Owned a Saturn, worked at Toyota for a while. They both tried the same secret sauce.

Toyota's thing, for a long, long while - back when you were getting 500K out of those little pickups - was commonality of parts. What that did for them was allow parts and processes to be refined. It wasn't that Toyota rolled out a new model that much better than anyone else. But they could roll out the same, tried and true parts maybe with a different cabin or such, and expect quality results because they'd put in the time refining those parts and sub-assemblies.

They've went away from that, now. We used to call it the "GM-ification". When Toyota decided to really go all in here, after the Princeton and Georgetown plants took off, they decided they really, really wanted to emulate GM, without the union.

The UAW isn't GMs biggest problem.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 06:00 PM (pMwL9)

248 Very frequently economic interventions accomplish the opposite of their intended purpose.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 05:57 PM


Are you an economist?

Posted by: Paul Krugman at August 18, 2022 06:00 PM (a3Q+t)

249 246 "You know what? People are just too prosperous, and we need to do something about it."

Serfs were meant to be lorded over.

Posted by: Roy at August 18, 2022 06:00 PM (Ti+Tv)

250 I've yet to read about one of the "Big 3" dismantling much of their ICE infrastructure. There's plenty of fresh grift available to build up EV production so why would they go all in until there's a clear path for profit?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2022 05:51 PM (BFigT)

Ford is about to lay off a bunch of ICE staff. I left there just under a year ago, I could see it coming.

Posted by: clutch at August 18, 2022 06:00 PM (izeKU)

251 226 Car prices have started coming back down to earth if ever so slightly. Toyota dealer in my burg actually has some inventory on the lot now. As recently as March or April the lot was literally empty, save for a few used cars/trucks.

So it appears the auto market is kinda heading back to normal.
Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 05:56 PM (OalnH)


As it should. Everyone not being paid by Brandon, Lord Pudding to shill for him knows that it's recession time and the first thing people do in a recession is stop making expensive purchases unless absolutely necessary.

Luxury brands hardest hit. Probably get a big discount on that Audi A5 up thread in a year or two, just sayin'

Posted by: CppThis at August 18, 2022 06:00 PM (UewuT)

252 235 FDR and his crew(so was Hoover) were worried about the threat of deflation. So tried to promote rising prices by creating scarcity.

They tried a whole host of "new" economic theories and ideas by academics and ended up making the depression worse and longer-lasting as a result. They destroyed lives, businesses, and culture, all in the name of progress.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 05:57 PM (Ivdso)
--------------------------

They were fucking Communists subverting the Constitution in effort to kill the Republic and re-form it in their image.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 06:01 PM (07iSR)

253 I may have made a small error. Not 5 days ago, I sold my Toy, the 68 Road Runner I restored. Very nearly broke even on it, too.

Hope I don't come to regret that decision in light of what seems to be coming.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 18, 2022 05:57 PM (KATBx)

Oh good god. You sold it?? I would have been all over that.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 18, 2022 06:01 PM (VwHCD)

254 Berserker! Have you seen these? They really run!

9cc V2 Engine V-Twin

https://bit.ly/3CdTcIX

Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 06:01 PM (sn5EN)

255 For centuries, the US has enjoyed what most of the world has not: peace at home. (except for that one thing). This has been a big reason why we've had increasing prosperity for so long, with a few resets.

Most of the rest of the world has had to endure destrucitve wars and despicable governments.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2022 06:01 PM (i0slg)

256 The average age of the people who comment on this blog is around 55, your tastes, personality and cultural references are crystalized and set by the time your 25.

Posted by: Thomas Bender

The average age on this blog? Just curious--how can you tell?

Also I'm thankful every day that what I thought was great at 25 is definitely not what I think is great today.

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 18, 2022 06:01 PM (tQL7r)

257
My scooter does 30mph with me on it.

It's like an electric skateboard with handlebars.

Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at August 18, 2022 06:01 PM (3Iwtu)

258 It's not complicated. They did not intend their actions to do what happened.

You're right. It's not complicated. They curtailed economic activity. They thought it wouldn't, even while they were doing it. But they blocked economic activity all the same.

You might as well keep repeating "He threw a ball. But he meant to throw a strike." Yet, it was a ball.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 06:02 PM (pMwL9)

259 when Newt first got to the House, Bob Michel ask him what he would like to work on

Newt told him he want win the majority in the House

Michel just laughed at him

Mitch is just another crumb sweeper like Michel

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2022 06:02 PM (us2H3)

260 "ended up making the depression worse and longer-lasting as a result."

Our depression was twice as deep and twice as long as Britain's, e.g.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2022 06:02 PM (i0slg)

261 Hmm, I think that was actually the default style of civilization back then. Royalty, and peons.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 18, 2022 05:56 PM (VwHCD)
___

True.

But, did the royal families of England, France, Spain, etc get together and decide to ruin their economies?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:02 PM (EMO0a)

262 I have owned many Audis. Love them. My dad had a 5000. It’s where I started my love for das Autos.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 06:03 PM (OalnH)

263 In March of 2022, the Trade deficit FOR THAT MONTH ALONE, was $34 BILLION... for China alone. That is a $400 BILLION per year rate... about 2% of our total Yearly GDP.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 05:54 PM (oHd/0)


But it isn't working, the banks are refusing to honor deposit withdrawals. Even with all that credit they can't keep up with the banking demands of their economy.
China should be swimming in excess capital.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 06:03 PM (xhaym)

264 Did the ancient world have anything like BUILD BACK BETTER where all the top nations in the world got together and said, "You know what? People are just too prosperous, and we need to do something about it."

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 05:49 PM (EMO0a)

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Unlikely, since that was before universities, graduate schools, and PhDs.

Posted by: ShainS -- VDH-Endorsed-by-Proxy Connoisseur of Cruelty at August 18, 2022 06:03 PM (rY/ZL)

265 256 The average age of the people who comment on this blog is around 55

Finally and for once I am proudly below average

Posted by: Bensdad00 at August 18, 2022 06:04 PM (83iJL)

266 [To judge Berman]
I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

We really need to get some reference material that isn't at least 40 years old.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 18, 2022 05:23 PM (/NCI4)

Sure thing. Just let me know when they start making movies that are so funny you have to watch them 3 times to get all the jokes and not miss the funny shit going on in the background and has a no fucks given attitude about what it makes fun of.

There's just nothing made now that compares

Posted by: Buddy at August 18, 2022 06:04 PM (MFphb)

267 I may have made a small error. Not 5 days ago, I sold my Toy, the 68 Road Runner I restored. Very nearly broke even on it, too.

Hope I don't come to regret that decision in light of what seems to be coming.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 18, 2022 05:57 PM (KATBx)

In the burning times, it will make for a great Interceptor

Posted by: A dude in MI at August 18, 2022 06:04 PM (/6GbT)

268 It thought the average age of the readers of this blog is nearly 29.

Posted by: Brian at August 18, 2022 06:04 PM (noAE3)

269 My scooter does 30mph with me on it.
It's like an electric skateboard with handlebars.
Posted by: Soothsayer, the #1 most trusted name in news at August 18, 2022 06:01 PM


Chuy might find that interesting.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 18, 2022 06:05 PM (a3Q+t)

270 >>>If this sounds as if it is potent precedent which will avail Trump greatly, stop dreaming;


Nicely cruel, right out of the gate.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 06:05 PM (yHsuS)

271 They were fucking Communists subverting the Constitution in effort to kill the Republic and re-form it in their image.

Some of them maybe most were. But some were just pointy-headed academics who were convinced they had a better way because gosh darn it they were so smart and had studied stuff. Finally, a president that would listen to them and do what they said, everything will be fixed!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:05 PM (Ivdso)

272 I am proudly below average
Posted by: Bensdad00
___

In so many ways.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:05 PM (EMO0a)

273 Humor is racist. Or sexist. Or ageist. Or some sort of Phobic. Humor is verboten.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 06:05 PM (Vr12I)

274 Luxury brands hardest hit. Probably get a big discount on that Audi A5 up thread in a year or two, just sayin'
Posted by: CppThis at August 18, 2022 06:00 PM (UewuT)

No discounts anywhere I’ve looked. The mrs is in the market for a Q5 type and ain’t no discounts on any of them. They’re not going for $5k over Mary anymore but there’s no rebates or cash back or anything either. Pretty much full msrp if you want one.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 06:06 PM (OalnH)

275 Huh, a toyota plant is shutting down in China due to lack of electricity. Strange, considering they are doing all of the above as far as power, you'd think they'd be ok on that front. Maybe the plants are shoddy as fuck.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2022 06:06 PM (HJDAV)

276 I may have made a small error. Not 5 days ago, I sold my Toy, the 68 Road Runner I restored. Very nearly broke even on it, too. Hope I don't come to regret that decision in light of what seems to be coming.

Posted by: irongrampa

WTH? Now what are you going to be buried in? That is a Valhalla worthy ride.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 18, 2022 06:06 PM (FF+On)

277 Could Sixteen Candles be made today?

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 06:06 PM (Vr12I)

278 265 256 The average age of the people who comment on this blog is around 55

Finally and for once I am proudly below average
Posted by: Bensdad00 at August 18, 2022 06:04 PM (83iJL)

And I, as usual, am above average... /smile.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 18, 2022 06:06 PM (oHd/0)

279 I have my 1983 Honda C70 scooter going again. 5HP I think.

I just managed to eke out 40mph going to the store on it. I was hoping for 45 but it is stumbling on max throttle.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 05:47 PM (Q+K8B)


I had a Honda ST90 that topped out at about 45. Probably a good thing, since it got pretty squirrely at higher speeds, especially dirt roads.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 06:07 PM (ZSK0i)

280 239
But the way we accomplish that is unique, and the left's desire to have one big national vote is their version of democratic ... which is direct democracy. We are representative democracy, with some special distincitons (like state sovereignty, maybe SCOTUS, idk, Eugene Volokh gives better detail than I can.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2022 05:58 PM (Cus5s)

He's just confusing the issue. Athens had a variety of different government forms over time. Athens at points used direct democracy and at other points adopted representative systems. The issues with Greek direct democracy is why it was replaced by various republican systems. Republics are democracies only insofar as they are popular republics. They are distinct from unconstrained democratic systems though. Demos=common people, cracy=rule by.

A noble republic or oligarchic republic is still a republic.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 06:07 PM (b2nrj)

281 Could Sixteen Candles be made today?
Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 06:06 PM (Vr12I)

Long Duc Dong hardest hit.

So to speak.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, it's pronounced Muh-Hone at August 18, 2022 06:08 PM (x8Wzq)

282 Govt Motors can FOAD as far as I’m concerned.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 06:08 PM (OalnH)

283 I still say this is a Deep State op trying to recover a document, using a legal backdrop as cover.

There is no intent to try to prosecute Trump over anything they seized or tried to seize.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 06:08 PM (5p7BC)

284 WTH? Now what are you going to be buried in? That is a Valhalla worthy ride.

Yeah but now he has a fat wad of cash to spend on other stuff instead of a bitchen car that goes really fast, straight.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:08 PM (Ivdso)

285 My scooter is pretty fast. Had it up to 55mph once but a wind from the side blew me into another lane. I just like cruising around with it and quick trips to the store.

Posted by: Ghost of PugBoo at August 18, 2022 06:08 PM (ECubu)

286 The average age of the people who comment on this blog is around 55, your tastes, personality and cultural references are crystalized and set by the time your 25.

Posted by: Thomas Bender

The average age on this blog? Just curious--how can you tell?

Also I'm thankful every day that what I thought was great at 25 is definitely not what I think is great today.
Posted by: Prime Sister
______________________

I'm with you. I've changed a lot since I was 25. Musical tastes. Way more culturally conservative. Hell, I think I was ambivalent about gun control back then.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 18, 2022 06:08 PM (es0Dj)

287 The average age of the people who comment on this blog is around 55

Finally and for once I am proudly below average
Posted by: Bensdad00 at August 18, 2022 06:04 PM (83iJL)

And I, as usual, am above average... /smile.
Posted by: Romeo13

My hormone levels say I'm 17.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at August 18, 2022 06:08 PM (kC+Z2)

288 258 "It's not complicated. They did not intend their actions to do what happened."

You're right. It's not complicated. They curtailed economic activity. They thought it wouldn't, even while they were doing it. But they blocked economic activity all the same.

You might as well keep repeating "He threw a ball. But he meant to throw a strike." Yet, it was a ball.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 06:02 PM (pMwL9)

And you said "they intended to throw a ball". Now you're acknowledging they did not intend to.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 06:09 PM (b2nrj)

289 Generally rulers understood that their people/population were at minimum a resource that made them wealthier and more powerful.

Then she saw the answer; she saw the secret premise behind their words. With all of their noisy devotion to the age of science, their hysterically technological jargon, their cyclotrons, their sound rays, these men were moved forward, not by the image of an industrial skyline, but by the vision of that form of existence which the industrialists had swept away—the vision of a fat, unhygienic rajah of India, with vacant eyes staring in indolent stupor out of stagnant layers of flesh, with nothing to do but run precious gems through his fingers and, once in a while, stick a knife into the body of a starved, toil-dazed, germeaten creature, as a claim to a few grains of the creature's rice, then claim it from hundreds of millions of such creatures and thus let the rice grains gather into gems.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 06:09 PM (Q+K8B)

290 She had thought that industrial production was a value not to be questioned by anyone; she had thought that these men's urge to expropriate the factories of others was their acknowledgment of the factories value. She,
born of the industrial revolution, had not held as conceivable, had forgotten along with the tales of astrology and alchemy, what these men knew in their secret, furtive souls, knew not by means of thought, but by means of that nameless muck which they called their instincts and emotions: that so long as men struggle to stay alive, they'll never produce so little but that the man with the club won't be able to seize it and leave them still less, provided millions of them are willing to submit—that the harder their work and the less their gain, the more submissive the fiber of their spirit—that men who live by pulling levers at an electric switchboard, are not easily ruled, but men who live by digging the soil with their naked fingers, are—that the feudal baron did not need electronic factories in order to drink his brains away out of jeweled goblets, and neither did the rajahs of the People's State of India.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 06:09 PM (Q+K8B)

291 I still say this is a Deep State op trying to recover a document, using a legal backdrop as cover.

I agree. This wasn't about GETTING TRUMP, it was about making him look bad, feeding the base red meat, fulfilling a deep state fantasy, and nabbing some documents they wanted out of Trump's hands.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:09 PM (Ivdso)

292 WTH? Now what are you going to be buried in? That is a Valhalla worthy ride.

Yeah but now he has a fat wad of cash to spend on other stuff instead of a bitchen car that goes really fast, straight.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Well, there is that.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 18, 2022 06:09 PM (FF+On)

293 But, did the royal families of England, France, Spain, etc get together and decide to ruin their economies?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:02 PM (EMO0a)


Keep in mind, the current retards in charge are just as frustrated as you are that things aren't "working".

They thought a little nudge, since the technologies are "so close", and we'd make this great transition. They really did. Read any of the publications on battery tech and such. They'll tell you that, based upon a very selective sampling of data, batteries are following something very similar to Moore's Law. That was something regarding transistors.

And it wasn't a damn law. It was an assumption, nothing more. But today's Ivy League Idiots believe it.

Because they are fools. But that part you already knew.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 06:09 PM (pMwL9)

294 Molly Ringwald hs said publicly that she is ashamed of 16 candles for making a mockery of rape.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 06:10 PM (OalnH)

295 Stephen "Speedbump" King says he never missed a "Reliable Sources, with Brian Stelter" show.

https://bit.ly/3AxIID5

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 06:10 PM (eyxn4)

296 Who, whom?

Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 18, 2022 06:10 PM (+r+VC)

297 Posted by: Joe Xiden

How did I KNOW you were an Audi driver?

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 18, 2022 06:10 PM (U2p+3)

298 >>The average age of the people who comment on this blog is around 55, your tastes, personality and cultural references are crystalized and set by the time your 25.


There was supposed to be no math on this blog.

Posted by: Roy at August 18, 2022 06:10 PM (Ti+Tv)

299 I do not know of in history any government or people who deliberately set about to destroy their own economy or nation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:11 PM (Ivdso)

300 But, did the royal families of England, France, Spain, etc get together and decide to ruin their economies?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:02 PM (EMO0a)

No, it's very abnormal to try to genocide your own country. This madness regarding depopulation is relatively recent.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 06:11 PM (b2nrj)

301 36-year old Finland Prime Minister Sanna Marin is HAF. She's getting heat for a leaked video from a private party where she was dancing up a storm.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2022 06:11 PM (i0slg)

302 Watched 16 candles with the kids

Forgot about her totally nekked in the shower

Oops

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at August 18, 2022 06:11 PM (uW2OD)

303 How did I KNOW you were an Audi driver?
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 18, 2022 06:10 PM (U2p+3)

My charm and intelligence, I suppose.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 06:11 PM (OalnH)

304 Stephen "Speedbump" King says he never missed a "Reliable Sources, with Brian Stelter" show.

https://bit.ly/3AxIID5
Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 06

I guess we're the same. I'm not going to miss him either.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 18, 2022 06:11 PM (eGTCV)

305 And you said "they intended to throw a ball". Now you're acknowledging they did not intend to.

They curtailed economic commerce. Pure and simple. What they intended was to change the price / supply point. Also a curtailment of commerce, since by definition it would have stopped those previously able to buy at a lower price from participating.

How about we do this ? You just scroll past me. And I'll just scroll past you. Because these esoteric little arguments you enjoy ? I don't. Not because you're right. Because you're tedious.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 06:12 PM (pMwL9)

306 I never saw 16 Candles (and I'm just about this blog's average reader).

Posted by: SFGoth at August 18, 2022 06:12 PM (KAi1n)

307 Lol
What happened to CFO of Trump Organization? 5 months in Rikers Island for 15 tax fraud felonies. .

Posted by: Paul at August 18, 2022 06:12 PM (awTYg)

308 Sister, that thing that I thought was great at twenty five is still as great if not greater.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 06:12 PM (07iSR)

309 Forgot about her totally nekked in the shower

Not that she shows off her Molly bits. But there is the panty scene too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:12 PM (Ivdso)

310 The average age of the people who comment on this blog is around 55.

That can't be right. I thought we had a gaussian distribution between 18 and 28, and then an impulse at 29.

Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 18, 2022 06:12 PM (+r+VC)

311 299 I do not know of in history any government or people who deliberately set about to destroy their own economy or nation.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:11 PM (Ivdso)

Closest I can think of was the Khmer Rouge. But even that was in the name of glorious revolution.

But honestly the parallels between this and any communist purges are startling- except for the murder, yet.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at August 18, 2022 06:13 PM (HJDAV)

312 Even I'd declassified it is a felony yo posses any document STAMPED as classified.

Posted by: Paul at August 18, 2022 06:13 PM (awTYg)

313 They curtailed economic commerce. Pure and simple. What they intended was to change the price / supply point. Also a curtailment of commerce, since by definition it would have stopped those previously able to buy at a lower price from participating.

How about we do this ? You just scroll past me. And I'll just scroll past you. Because these esoteric little arguments you enjoy ? I don't. Not because you're right. Because you're tedious.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 06:12 PM (pMwL9)

You're the one who pedantically deflected from SMH's point of malign intent.

And seriously, you're very pedantic while also not good with accuracy.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 06:13 PM (b2nrj)

314 Hey Pauline how about Cox in CA? Any comment?

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 06:13 PM (OalnH)

315 I had a Honda ST90 that topped out at about 45. Probably a good thing, since it got pretty squirrely at higher speeds, especially dirt roads.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent

My Honda CT90s will do 53mph with a slight tailwind. Need to get a brain bucket with flames on it. Both are sitting on stands in the garage waiting for me to put the new carburetors on them. At 100 + mpg I should probably bump them up the priority list.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at August 18, 2022 06:13 PM (kC+Z2)

316 Working on reconnecting garage door from spring cutting loose

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2022 06:13 PM (k8B25)

317 When everything is a lie, all you can do is ask what seems realistic. China lies a lot, I suspect the real problem is that their banks are going to start taking serious dumps, and then the folk that lost their money are going to get shirty, and then Xi is going to roll in the tanks on the rioters.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 05:48 PM (xhaym)


You thought the supply chain was screwed up before? Wait until the Chinese decide Emperor For Life Xi Jingping needs to go.

Then add in Europe runs out of Russian Natural Gas and shuts down everything to keep the lights on and people warm in January and February 2023 before it goes to shit and everyone freezes in March anyway.

Posted by: rd at August 18, 2022 06:14 PM (Z32m1)

318 Pauline sounds like the Finnish PM. Slurred speech and incoherent.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 06:14 PM (OalnH)

319 The Bronze Age Collapse?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 06:00 PM (Q+K8B)


Similar, but that was a disruption of the supply of Tin and highly centralized production and distribution of goods that came from instability that happened because of the exhaustion of the Hittite and Egyptian states, with the Attic Greeks and the Western Anatolian city states deciding they were going to fight for dominance

The collapse happened over a fairly extended period, the main part is the fall of the Anatolian cities like Troy and the Canaanite cities along the Eastern Med shore to the Sea Peoples. Egypt survived because she was not dependent on the Attica - Anatolia - Crete trade circle, which is what collapsed (all this is my opinion so you can call me wrong for pulling it out of my butt from my reading)

it was more like the end of the Roman Empire.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 06:14 PM (xhaym)

320 299 I do not know of in history any government or people who deliberately set about to destroy their own economy or nation.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:11 PM (Ivdso)

The explicit antihumanism in the current elite is remarkable. So many people these days who openly wish for the destruction of humanity, or at the least most of it.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 06:15 PM (b2nrj)

321 Closest I can think of was the Khmer Rouge. But even that was in the name of glorious revolution.

Yeah there are plenty of examples of people doing idiotic stuff that any sane person knew would lead to ruin, but they didn't mean for it to.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:15 PM (Ivdso)

322 Even I'd declassified it is a felony yo posses any document STAMPED as classified.
Posted by: Paul at August 18, 2022 06:13 PM (awTYg)



You literally know nothing.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 06:15 PM (Q+K8B)

323 Democrats, ropes, lampposts. Some assembly required.

As in the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Of course, I'm assuming the Antifa/BLM definition of "peaceably"...

Posted by: setnaffa at August 18, 2022 06:15 PM (bYETr)

324 But, did the royal families of England, France, Spain, etc get together and decide to ruin their economies?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:02 PM (EMO0a)

No, it's very abnormal to try to genocide your own country. This madness regarding depopulation is relatively recent.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

Yep. The fun of being a tyrant is not an inverse relationship with respect to population.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 18, 2022 06:15 PM (FF+On)

325 296 Who, whom?

who:whom::wha:wham

Posted by: kulak anachronda at August 18, 2022 06:15 PM (oY6Yp)

326 I try sucking my own dick. But fail each time.

Posted by: Paul at August 18, 2022 06:16 PM (OalnH)

327 "A noble republic or oligarchic republic is still a republic."

iirc, there are many founders that referred to U.S. as a democracy ... but sure, I guess it is nice to be distinct from the commie concept of democracy. ... Lots of African nations like to be called "The People's Republic of ... " even if they are basically commie.

anyway, mostly I don't see it as an important semantic hill to die on.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2022 06:16 PM (Cus5s)

328 And it wasn't a damn law. It was an assumption, nothing more. But today's Ivy League Idiots believe it.

Because they are fools. But that part you already knew.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 06:09 PM (pMwL9)

It wasn't so much an assumption, as it was a trendline fitted to historical manufacturing data, extrapolated until they expected to approach physical manufacturing limitations. IIRC, they muddled past the initially estimated endpoint for Moore's Law due to new and improved processes that were not foreseen when the statement about doubling of transistors in a given space was put forth.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 06:16 PM (yHsuS)

329 "and nabbing some documents they wanted out of Trump's hands."

A MacGuffin, as it were.

Posted by: Ignoramus at August 18, 2022 06:16 PM (i0slg)

330 Why does my finger smell like poo after bathroom time?

Posted by: Paul at August 18, 2022 06:17 PM (OalnH)

331 > Molly Ringwald has said publicly that she is ashamed of 16 candles for making a mockery of rape.

That scene is definitely questionable.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 06:17 PM (eyxn4)

332 I had a Honda ST90 that topped out at about 45. Probably a good thing, since it got pretty squirrely at higher speeds, especially dirt roads.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent

My Honda CT90s will do 53mph with a slight tailwind. Need to get a brain bucket with flames on it. Both are sitting on stands in the garage waiting for me to put the new carburetors on them. At 100 + mpg I should probably bump them up the priority list.
Posted by: Sock Monkey

I had Honda Trail 90 that had removable big sprocket. It was my only transportation for about a year. It was pretty much a heart attack per mile when riding around in traffic.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 18, 2022 06:17 PM (FF+On)

333 @237

A mildly warmed 440, the original 383 had a vent hole in the block at #8 cylinder.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 18, 2022 06:18 PM (KATBx)

334 My Honda CT90s will do 53mph with a slight tailwind. Need to get a brain bucket with flames on it. Both are sitting on stands in the garage waiting for me to put the new carburetors on them. At 100 + mpg I should probably bump them up the priority list.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at August 18, 2022 06:13 PM (kC+Z2)


That's one thing I do recall. That bike was neither powerful, nor sexy. But the gas mileage made it really easy on the ol' teenager's wallet.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 06:18 PM (ZSK0i)

335 At 100 + mpg I should probably bump them up the priority list.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at August 18, 2022 06:13 PM (kC+Z2)



Precisely. That's why I took the C70 out of mothballs.

I'm not sure I have the full and reserve fuel line right and it is taking me forever to run it down to see. I filled it up because I am running that Seafoam cleaner through it.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 06:18 PM (Q+K8B)

336 There are a lot of similiarities between FDR's reign and today (also under Obama). A locust-like swarm of theoreticians with academic ideas on how to Fix Everything and Solve Problems That Don't Exist are trying to implement every new scheme and constantly are puzzled with how these solutions only make matters worse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:18 PM (Ivdso)

337 I’d take Molly more serious about her shame if she gave back the money she made from 16 Candles. Until then STFU.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 18, 2022 06:18 PM (OalnH)

338 But, did the royal families of England, France, Spain, etc get together and decide to ruin their economies?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:02 PM (EMO0a)


Here's where it gets tricky - whenever folks in charge start weighing into price controls and such.

They're pretty much ALWAYS going to try to thwart popular will, expressed as supply and demand, for some other goal. That's about all they can do.

In this particular, the regime wants to get in the middle of your willing trade for gasoline, diesel, and vehicles that use the same. They want to deny your willing economic exchange for these things. Why ?

Honestly - because they think they know better than you do what your economic preferences should be. And that's how it always works.

And just like Prohibition, and this is a new prohibition, it has support from some of your neighbors. This isn't purely a top-down thing.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 06:19 PM (pMwL9)

339 327 "A noble republic or oligarchic republic is still a republic."

iirc, there are many founders that referred to U.S. as a democracy ... but sure, I guess it is nice to be distinct from the commie concept of democracy. ... Lots of African nations like to be called "The People's Republic of ... " even if they are basically commie.

anyway, mostly I don't see it as an important semantic hill to die on.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2022 06:16 PM (Cus5s)

The US has rule by the people, which translates literally to democracy. In structure it, is a republic. Not all republics are democracies.

Democracy as a particular system is also used selectively and in a differentiating fashion for the Greek governments, their democracies and their republics. In context it tends not to be hard to understand which meaning is being employed, but there is one sense in which the US republic is a democracy (the people rule) and another sense in which it is not (no unlimited direct rule).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 06:19 PM (b2nrj)

340 I swear, If Pennsylvanians vote for Fetterman over that weak shit of Oz being "out of touch" because he said the word, Crudite, then they deserve the f**king they are going to get.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 06:19 PM (V9b2V)

341 326 I try sucking my own dick. But fail each time.
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You'll get the monkeypox, kid!

Posted by: Ralphie Parker at August 18, 2022 06:19 PM (sWM8x)

342 Forgot about her totally nekked in the shower

Not that she shows off her Molly bits. But there is the panty scene too.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:12 PM (Ivdso)


She did her, "Okay, I'm nekkid now. Here are the girls!" movie about 15 years ago, I think. It was a cable movie IIRC.

She was okay. Shoulda done it in her early 20s though while she was still unbelievably pretty and cute.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2022 06:20 PM (5NkmN)

343 Wendys is gonna get clocked by the family of the guy that was murdered by their employ

esp if he got priors and they gave him a pass

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2022 06:20 PM (us2H3)

344 O/T

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Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2022 06:20 PM (ptqGC)

345 I had an Aprilia SR-50 for awhile. Aftermarket exhaust, some rollers for the flywheel (CVT). Was fun. Not practical outside an urban setting however.

It would take off the line and get up to about 35-40MPH faster than most cars tho'.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2022 06:20 PM (BFigT)

346 Posted by: Thomas Bender

The average age on this blog? Just curious--how can you tell?
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We confirmed. Now go back to what you were doing.

Posted by: Chris (Big Brother) Wray at August 18, 2022 06:20 PM (fs1hN)

347 340 I swear, If Pennsylvanians vote for Fetterman over that weak shit of Oz being "out of touch" because he said the word, Crudite, then they deserve the f**king they are going to get.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 06:19 PM (V9b2V)

Problem is it’s not just PA that gets it. As a US senator his actions affect all Of us as much as anyone in PA.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 18, 2022 06:20 PM (OalnH)

348 Today's quiz: "proud man's contumely". Identify the source. No cheating.
Posted by: Archimedes


Judge Learned Hand.

I have no idea, I just like saying "Judge Learned Hand."

Posted by: mikeski at August 18, 2022 06:21 PM (P1f+c)

349 I'm not sure I have the full and reserve fuel line right and it is taking me forever to run it down to see. I filled it up because I am running that Seafoam cleaner through it.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 06:18 PM (Q+K8B)

I let both of mine sit with gas in them so they have to come apart. Fucking ethanol

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 18, 2022 06:21 PM (M+Lyo)

350 Fetterman reminds me of what I imagine Big Foot to look like, if he's wearing a hoodie.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 18, 2022 06:21 PM (ptqGC)

351 My Honda PCX 150 can probably do 70 easily. Speedometer goes up to 100. Not that that means anything. I just never take it on the highway. It's fun to ride. Just got it back after having some work done. Have not ridden it for a while.

Posted by: The Ghost of PugBoo at August 18, 2022 06:21 PM (ECubu)

352 It was pretty much a heart attack per mile when riding around in traffic.
Posted by: Lost In Space

You should experience going as fast as you possibly can, bent over the handlebars praying with a logging truck trying to imprint Peterbilt on your ass

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at August 18, 2022 06:21 PM (kC+Z2)

353 I swear, If Pennsylvanians vote for Fetterman over that weak shit of Oz being "out of touch" because he said the word, Crudite, then they deserve the f**king they are going to get.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 06:19 PM (V9b2V)



I think Fetterman is staying viable in this race so that when he dies the Dem governor can appoint another lunatic in his place.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 06:21 PM (Q+K8B)

354 >>> No, it's very abnormal to try to genocide your own country. This madness regarding depopulation is relatively recent.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Of course it's abnormal
Insanity is abnormal
_Pol Pot

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 06:21 PM (07iSR)

355 " In context it tends not to be hard to understand which meaning is being employed, but there is one sense in which the US republic is a democracy (the people rule) and another sense in which it is not (no unlimited direct rule)." Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

I think that is what Volokh (and I) were saying, but that is a succinct one sentence summary.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2022 06:22 PM (Cus5s)

356 Molly Ringworm might want to gaze in the mirror a bit before pissing on her claim to fame.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2022 06:22 PM (BFigT)

357 Molly never did it for me. She was cute I guess kinda. But never found her hawt.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 18, 2022 06:22 PM (OalnH)

358 My scooter does 30mph with me on it.

It's like an electric skateboard with handlebars.

Posted by: Soothsayer

The Big Daddy Don Garlits of the Walmart!

Posted by: Miklos would place bets at August 18, 2022 06:22 PM (LyVHa)

359 She was okay. Shoulda done it in her early 20s though while she was still unbelievably pretty and cute.

It was quite an impressive pair, though. If you look back you can see that she was stacked in older films but they did a really good job of hiding it. Even as a kid she's unusually developed (see The Tempest).

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:23 PM (Ivdso)

360 All the humor is being drained away. We will have Soviet humor soon. But first we will have to live through the Perpetually Aggrieved process.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 06:23 PM (Vr12I)

361 283 I still say this is a Deep State op trying to recover a document, using a legal backdrop as cover.

There is no intent to try to prosecute Trump over anything they seized or tried to seize.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 06:08 PM (5p7BC)

If that is true, and it very well may be, there is at least a chance even Trump doesn't know which document in particular has their panties in a bunch. I am less certain myself now that they will prosecute than I was last week, but that was 100 percent. I still think the odds are they do so but wouldn't put money on it.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 18, 2022 06:23 PM (nMx88)

362 I swear, If Pennsylvanians vote for Fetterman over that weak shit of Oz being "out of touch" because he said the word, Crudite, then they deserve the f**king they are going to get.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

So much Islamophobia, straight up.

Posted by: Miklos expects moar of PA Dems at August 18, 2022 06:23 PM (LyVHa)

363 Shapiro is whom I am concerned about, Fetterman wount be have the problem.
Emperor Wolf has ruled us like a European state in 1600s

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2022 06:24 PM (k8B25)

364 >>>> I do not know of in history any government or people who deliberately set about to destroy their own economy or nation.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Well, that's the thing -- we don't exactly know for sure. There's a lot of stuff we all learned in History that maybe wasn't just like it happened in real life. And maybe there were outright lies in our History books.

I, for one, think there are unexplainable things that are not covered in what we know about History. And I think maybe TPTB actually have tried this psyop/panopticon before. Now excuse me, I have to adjust my tin foil hat. 😉

Posted by: Prime Sister at August 18, 2022 06:24 PM (tQL7r)

365 Whatever happened to releasing footage of the raid?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 18, 2022 06:24 PM (OalnH)

366 Oz was the best pick of the options.

He will vote, in caucus, to oust McConnell
And when he gets that special phone call
he will vote as needed.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 06:24 PM (07iSR)

367 That is, people won't be voting for that Fetterman cripple. They are voting for his Democrat replacement.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 06:24 PM (Q+K8B)

368 355 " In context it tends not to be hard to understand which meaning is being employed, but there is one sense in which the US republic is a democracy (the people rule) and another sense in which it is not (no unlimited direct rule)." Posted by: Red Turban Someguy

I think that is what Volokh (and I) were saying, but that is a succinct one sentence summary.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2022 06:22 PM (Cus5s)

The broader and literal meaning of "rule by the people" is largely archaic today and unnecessarily confusing.

Aristocracy means rule by the best, ie meritocracy, but it'd be confusing to use it in that manner.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 06:24 PM (b2nrj)

369 Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 06:08 PM (5p7BC)


yeah, this agree with

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2022 06:25 PM (us2H3)

370 FBI Unit Leading Mar-a-Lago Probe Earlier Ran Discredited Trump-Russia Investigation

https://bit.ly/3A5qAPd

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 06:25 PM (eyxn4)

371 Oil! Corgis!

Nood.

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Posted by: fd at August 18, 2022 06:25 PM (sn5EN)

373 And maybe there were outright lies in our History books.

I, for one, think there are unexplainable things that are not covered in what we know about History. And I think maybe TPTB actually have tried this psyop/panopticon before. Now excuse me, I have to adjust my tin foil hat. 😉
Posted by: Prime Sister

"History is a set of lies agreed upon."

Posted by: that One Corsican Brother at August 18, 2022 06:25 PM (LyVHa)

374 Dems vote for the D. Doesn’t matter who it is Could be Fetterman could be Mickey Mouse. They get the D votes.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 18, 2022 06:26 PM (OalnH)

375 The Washington Post today; Analysis-Whats Boosting Nuclear Power Today? War And Climate Change

Like I've said, watch for the big flip by the left/Democrats to pimping nuclear power. "but JROD the left hates nuclear power!" No they don't. They don't mind Iran having it even at the cost of weaponizing it. Nuclear is good when the left is leading the charge.

Green and Clean nuclear power for your EV's they're going to shove down our throats. It'll be glorious!!!

Posted by: JROD at August 18, 2022 06:26 PM (0jZnq)

376 McConnell bears more blame for the loss of the Senate in 2020 than Trump. In fact, I fully believe he sabotaged the GA run-offs with his refusal to pass the third stimulus. It gave Dems an issue. He was also the one who pushed for Loeffler to be appointed to begin with, as well as McSally in AZ. Both were awful candidates, but were safe, corporate squishes. A better candidate in AZ might very well have won, rendering the GA runoffs moot.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 18, 2022 06:26 PM (wmDcS)

377 Yeah there are plenty of examples of people doing idiotic stuff that any sane person knew would lead to ruin, but they didn't mean for it to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:15 PM (Ivdso)


Pol Pot intended to do exactly what he did, it was an immediate switch to a Marxist economy, with a focus on killing off non-ethnic Cambodians and the intellectuals and the traditional leaders who could have prevented the switch.
What he didn't intend was for it to fail, or to be defeated by the Vietnamese invasion.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 06:27 PM (xhaym)

378 Today's quiz: "proud man's contumely". Identify the source. No cheating. Posted by: Archimedes

Sounds like Obama slurring some small business owner for not kissing his ass.

My other choice is Liz "Lincoln" Cheney after storming the buffet line at a Golden Corral and insulting the prime rib carver for cutting her off.

Or that English guy. The one from Liverpool.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 18, 2022 06:28 PM (FF+On)

379 Closest I can think of was the Khmer Rouge. But even that was in the name of glorious revolution.
Yeah there are plenty of examples of people doing idiotic stuff that any sane person knew would lead to ruin, but they didn't mean for it to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:15

You bring up an interesting point CRT.
But how about the latest psycho GREEN mentality, that Mother Gaia is worth more than humans. We need to reduce our presence to stop hurting Mother Gaia.

For what propose then does Mother Gaia exist if not to nurture the humans who have developed so much out of the materials available on the planet?

OK, I think I need another one hitter before I put the pork roast and sweet corn on the grill.

Posted by: Farmer at August 18, 2022 06:28 PM (55Qr6)

380 Problem is it’s not just PA that gets it. As a US senator his actions affect all Of us as much as anyone in PA.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at August 18, 2022 06:20 PM (OalnH)
******
Exactly. Too many people think not my state, not my problem. They don't realize the impact or the domino effect 1 senator or 1 governor can have on the rest of the country.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 18, 2022 06:28 PM (NpAcC)

381 >>The average age of the people who comment on this blog is around 55, your tastes, personality and cultural references are crystalized and set by the time your 25.

I'm gonna call BS on that set of assumptions. I didn't check out of pop culture until my kid was well into adulthood. Also, it you've the same personality at 40 that you had at 25, you're doing something wrong.

See Churchills musings about age and conservatism.

Posted by: Buddy at August 18, 2022 06:29 PM (MFphb)

382 For the most part, historians are pretty meticulous about trying to get things right and be as accurate as possible. But there are some who do not (1619 project) and increasingly its difficult to find historians interested in facts rather than agenda.

And like you say there's info we don't know and who can tell for sure if the info we get is accurate. Some of it is so late or written by people with an agenda of their own.

For example, everyone knows for sure that Ty Cobb was a brutal and vicious, moronic racist. They know that not because he was but because one guy who hated Ty Cobb with the heat of ten thousand suns wrote a bio that was turned into a movie and that's what everyone "knows".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:30 PM (Ivdso)

383 But how about the latest psycho GREEN mentality, that Mother Gaia is worth more than humans. We need to reduce our presence to stop hurting Mother Gaia.

I think its reactionary. Its not so much worry about the earth as it is a vicious, long-term leftist hate of the Biblical concept of earth being here for humans to tend and garden, that man is the pinnacle of creation. Leftist hate the Bible, hate God, and want to destroy that.

So man is turned into the worst of creation, an aberration, an alien invasive species that causes destruction everywhere.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 06:33 PM (Ivdso)

384 Green and Clean nuclear power for your EV's they're going to shove down our throats. It'll be glorious!!!

Posted by: JROD at August 18, 2022 06:26 PM (0jZnq)

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A personal nuclear fusion system in every car!

Posted by: ShainS -- VDH-Endorsed-by-Proxy Connoisseur of Cruelty at August 18, 2022 06:35 PM (FRFaP)

385 And seriously, you're very pedantic while also not good with accuracy.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at August 18, 2022 06:13 PM (b2nrj)

You guys should just get get a war room already.

Posted by: polynikes at August 18, 2022 06:36 PM (RH1Zb)

386 SMH, I suspect WEF is a couple of things. There is one group that is trying to use their power and wealth to make the world "efficient" (meaning efficient for them, not us) because they think that efficiency is a value in and of itself.
One part is trying to find a way to create a world in accordance to a marxist/socialist philosophy that will make the world predictable and controllable.
A final part is looking at it as a way to gain massive power and wealth without having to work for it, and justify the theft of it from the people they ostensibly represent and care for (like the ex president of Sri Lanka)

If they win they will start eating each other

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 06:38 PM (xhaym)

387 The WEF is an antihuman organization. Why are they not all hanging from lampposts.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 18, 2022 06:42 PM (eGTCV)

388 Who elected anyone to represent Gaia?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 18, 2022 06:43 PM (eGTCV)

389 The pic of the 'agents' standing in line to shoot the old, white guy is especially poignant.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:48 PM (tlKXn)

390 The WEF is an antihuman organization. Why are they not all hanging from lampposts.
Posted by: N.L. Urker
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Because for the time being, Satan rules this world.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:49 PM (tlKXn)

391 If they win they will start eating each other
Posted by: Kindltot
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They won't win, God wins in the end.

Unfortunately, His timetable is not ours.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:50 PM (tlKXn)

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Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:52 PM (tlKXn)

393 The Formula Shortage Isn't Likely to End Anytime Soon

https://tinyurl.com/yeyhewtf

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 06:57 PM (AHuy6)

394 There ought to be an island especially for the misfit Billionaires (sociopaths) of the WEF. No internet access or i-phones. Just phones for emergency use. They can have a special day for worship services for each of them where paid people can bow down to them and sing their praises as the saviors of the world, and they can sit around and discuss various ways to screw humanity.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2022 07:06 PM (wvo9L)

395 Isn't this the same Berman-Jackson who handled the Roger Stone case? It will be fun to see the reaction of the Florida magistrate, when Trump's lawyers present this ruling as president. Plus the appeals court covering Florida is a bit less partisan that the DC Court of appeals.

Posted by: BehindTheTofuCurtain at August 18, 2022 07:59 PM (QOhBK)

396 Fun facts:
1) The documents Trump declassified prior to leaving office, and had WH officials box up and ship to Mar a Lago, were all directly related to operation Crossfire Hurricane, aka "russiagate" - the spying on his campaign and administration.
2) Trump is currently pursuing a RICO case against the FBI, CIA, DOJ officials that initiated and led that operation.
3) These documents are the evidence against them.
4) Judge Reinhart was the Judge in that RICO case, but was forced to recuse due to personal conflicts of interest in the case.
5) Many of the FBI agents that were a part of that operation were also involved in the raid at Mar a Lago.
6) So, the documents they seized were being used in a case against them, and the Judge that signed the warrant for the raid had a conflict of interest in that case and had had to recuse himself from it.

This is a cover up. Nothing more. The FBI/DOJ wants to bury the documents proving their own criminal activity against Trump.

Posted by: Callawyn at August 19, 2022 04:34 AM (sKM7R)

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