Former CIA Director, Russiagate Hoaxer, Hunter Biden Laptop Suppresser, and Mentally-Ill Psychopath Michael Haden Declares War on Half the Country, Declaring Republicans To Be More Dangerous and Contemptible Than Any Enemy America Has Fought

This asshole was also head of the NSA before 9/11 -- he missed all the signs -- and then part of the botched "intelligence" klatch that told us all that Iraq had WMDs.

And then they promoted him to head of the CIA.

And his former flunky at the CIA is defending this, so this isn't just one old, decrepit deranged psychopath. This is common CIA political culture:

Hey NeverTrump and the rest of the brain-dead dead-ender Establishment Institutionalists --

Is your worship of the institutions without any limits whatsoever? Is your religious faith in the Works of Government Man unshakable and just a blank check that can never be overdrawn?

Are you just all secularist religious fanatics incapable of ever questioning the the Strange Atheistic Gods you serve?

Is there literally no outrage the Cult of the Holy Government Institutions can commit that will cause you to say, "Now wait a minute, that goes against what the Holy Books say..."

Even this wan dink -- a triple threat of cvckery who has the rare distinction of having worked for the Weekly Standard, The Bulwark, and The Dispatch -- gets it now:

Andrew Egger
@EggerDC
Sure is a bummer how Republicans think the entire apparatus of the state hates them and sees them as a hostile entity! Very unfortunate how they arrived at that notion completely out of their own conspiratorial heads.

He links the deranged Hayden's tweet there. He means it sarcastically.

Even this sad little bentback cvck finally has a problem with Bureaucrats Gone Wild:

Seth Mandel
@SethAMandel
Absolutely terrifying tweet for none of the reasons he intends

But it won't shake AllahPundit's mighty faith.

He's a traditionalist, you see. He's traditionally had faith in these institutions. It doesn't matter to him that these institutions are no longer the same institutions, that they have been skin-suited by angry, deranged partisans and put to essentially religious-cultist ends by the skin-suiters.

It's enough that they still have the old branding on them. The buildings still say "FBI" and "CDC" and "The Science (TM)" on them.

And the branding is enough for worship.

He's a very poor atheist. He doesn't have a lack of faith; he has a promiscuous overabundance of it. He just decided he didn't believe in God and poured all that Believer Energy into Anthony Fauci, the CDC, Christopher Wray, Robert Meuller, the FBI, the DOJ, Jeb!, etc.

I think we need a Voigt-Kampff test on some of these lunatics. They might be Electric Monks in disguise as human beings:

The Electric Monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. Dishwashers washed tedious dishes for you, thus saving you the bother of washing them yourself, video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.

Despite all the crying that Republicans have to watch our rhetoric, it's the psychopathic bureaucrats with the ability to order executions of their political opponents who keep popping off:

Dona Trumpa
@Donatrumpa2022
Replying to @SethAMandel
They don't sound like they are afraid of us, it's almost as ... they want us afraid of them.

How many State Media outlets, do you imagine, will ask Michael Hayden or the rest of the deranged Deep Staters if they believe they should de-escalate their dangerous rhetoric before the incite one of their rabid Twitter followers to kill someone?

They refused to condemn Ruth Sent Us -- but demand all Republicans stop criticizing the FBI. It's now too dangerous to criticize the government!

This is a former FBI agent, by the way. In... counterintelligence. All throughout the Russiagate hoax, she was one of the Deep State Hoaxers going out all over the media swearing "Stay tuned, there's more coming!" and promised that "the Mueller investigation is blowing up fast."

This FBI lawyer has previously opined that saying "Let's Go Brandon" is the equivalent of swearing an oath of loyalty to ISIS. This is what she tweeted after a Southwest Pilot signed off after landing a plane by saying, "Let's Go Brandon."

As an experiment, I'd love for an @SouthwestAir pilot to say "Long live ISIS" before taking off. My guess is that 1) the plane would be immediately grounded; 2) the pilot fired; and 3) a statement issued by the airline within a matter of hours
-- Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) October 31, 2021

She has deleted this tweet.

This woman was given a gun by the government and given power to investigate and arrest you.

This is their culture. It cannot be reformed. It can only be razed and replanted with better seeds.

Have you ever wondered, Mandrake,
why you never see Republicans drinking tap water?

Posted by: Ace at 12:10 PM

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1 Sponge!

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 12:10 PM (yHsuS)

2 Fuck that guy in particular.

Posted by: Duke Lowell, AOSHQ Snarky Dick at August 18, 2022 12:10 PM (u73oe)

3 DURING PRIDE MONTH????

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:10 PM (bhRsz)

4 It's your own fault if you don't listen to what they're telling you is coming.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 12:11 PM (9+Jmc)

5 The Empire (continues to) Strike Back.

Posted by: gdgm+ at August 18, 2022 12:11 PM (mucm9)

6 So, if I understand this correctly, Trump is not Hitler; he's worse

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 12:11 PM (FVME7)

7 Well, fuck this guy then.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 18, 2022 12:11 PM (dNqv+)

8 They truly want to fight a war against half the country.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

9 Trump was a fascist, dontchaknow.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (LvTSG)

10 POE

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (Q+K8B)

11 The funny part is that it hasn't even been a week since they raided Trump's home and took his passports.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (9+Jmc)

12 Nihilistic ? I do not think that word means what he thinks it means

Posted by: It's me donna at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (bs+z0)

13 So, if I understand this correctly, Trump is not Hitler; he's worse
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 12:11 PM (FVME7)

As someone on the blog said a while back, we will eventually hear the Left saying, "Hitler is literally Trump!"

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (bhRsz)

14 Our trolls don't understand us. My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (44ww/)

15 11 The funny part is that it hasn't even been a week since they raided Trump's home and took his passports.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (9+Jmc)

Fascists calling those that adhere to Constitutional norms worse than Fascists...Hmmm, let me think about that.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (ynpvh)

16 Andrew Egger
@EggerDC
Sure is a bummer how Republicans think the entire apparatus of the state hates them and sees them as a hostile entity! Very unfortunate how they arrived at that notion completely out of their own conspiratorial heads.

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"Also, I'm going to vote Democrat because Trump is icky."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (LvTSG)

17 8 They truly want to fight a war against half the country.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

What they really want is to exterminate half the country without any danger to their homes or livelihoods. But to kill that many people would need some sort of model of efficiency. A camp, you may call it.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at August 18, 2022 12:14 PM (BCSAN)

18 14 Our trolls don't understand us. My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (44ww/)

Good choom?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:14 PM (ynpvh)

19 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 18, 2022 12:14 PM (T4tVD)

20 14 Our trolls don't understand us. My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (44ww/)

Mr Taggert, you use your mouth better than a $2 whore!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:14 PM (dNqv+)

21 Show us on the doll where Bad Orange Man touched you

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2022 12:14 PM (iFTx/)

22 17 8 They truly want to fight a war against half the country.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

What they really want is to exterminate half the country without any danger to their homes or livelihoods. But to kill that many people would need some sort of model of efficiency. A camp, you may call it.

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at August 18, 2022 12:14 PM (BCSAN)

And a grand plan that would be a "final solution" to their problems, no?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:14 PM (ynpvh)

23 Have you ever wondered, Mandrake,
why you never see Republicans drinking tap water?

==========

Gonna be honest, General Ripper had it goin' on.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (LvTSG)

24 8
If they try something like that...they fucking well had better win.

Second place: They lose everything.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (yvHe0)

25 POE
Posted by: G'rump928

Poe Poe yer boat....

Posted by: JT at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (T4tVD)

26 13 So, if I understand this correctly, Trump is not Hitler; he's worse
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 12:11 PM (FVME7)

As someone on the blog said a while back, we will eventually hear the Left saying, "Hitler is literally Trump!"
Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (bhRsz)

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And DeSantis is even worse than that!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (LvTSG)

27 Any President who puts this looser in a position of authority is an idiot.

Posted by: vic /s at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (mZwKe)

28 This is what VHD was referring to, I think, in this morning's link.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (44ww/)

29 >>> Our trolls don't understand us. My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention.

+1000 even though I don't get it.

Posted by: Chuy Libre at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (B3oWe)

30 The funny part is that it hasn't even been a week since they raided Trump's home and took his passports.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (9+Jmc)

and didn't log them in the inventory.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (Q+K8B)

31 These are some sick fucking people

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 18, 2022 12:16 PM (89T5c)

32 26 13 So, if I understand this correctly, Trump is not Hitler; he's worse
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 12:11 PM (FVME7)

As someone on the blog said a while back, we will eventually hear the Left saying, "Hitler is literally Trump!"
Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (bhRsz)
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And DeSantis is even worse than that!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (LvTSG)

I'm confused...wasn't Liz's daddy and his boss Hitler back on the double-aughts?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:16 PM (ynpvh)

33 Our trolls don't understand us. My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (44ww/)

Goldangit, Mr. Lamar, you use your tongue purtier than a $20 whore.

Posted by: Taggart at August 18, 2022 12:16 PM (ZSK0i)

34 31 These are some sick fucking people
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 18, 2022 12:16 PM (89T5c)

They're cornered animals

Posted by: It's me donna at August 18, 2022 12:16 PM (bs+z0)

35 The fear porn is ramping up belying expectations. That’s a good sign. It’s all the have to run on.

Posted by: Squid at August 18, 2022 12:16 PM (ujRX4)

36 29 >>> Our trolls don't understand us. My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention.

+1000 even though I don't get it.
Posted by: Chuy Libre at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (B3oWe)

=========

Oddly enough, I did get it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

37 This is their culture. It cannot be reformed. It can only be razed and replanted with better seeds.

Good luck with that. Being that the GOP can't bestir itself to end public funding for things like NPR, you're not going to see three-letter agencies disbanded or defunded.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 18, 2022 12:16 PM (ppBhU)

38 Nice to have our enemies self-identify.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:17 PM (V6f9+)

39 30 The funny part is that it hasn't even been a week since they raided Trump's home and took his passports.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (9+Jmc)

and didn't log them in the inventory.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (Q+K8B)

Sure they did. His passports were in box 42, silly.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:17 PM (ynpvh)

40 32 And DeSantis is even worse than that!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (LvTSG)

I'm confused...wasn't Liz's daddy and his boss Hitler back on the double-aughts?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:16 PM (ynpvh)

========

They turned against the true Hitler, Trump, who is both worse than and not as bad as DeSantis.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:17 PM (LvTSG)

41 Once again, They accuse Us of what They are Doing.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2022 12:17 PM (Cus5s)

42 +1000 even though I don't get it.
Posted by: Chuy Libre at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (B3oWe)

ace. Dude. Blazing Saddles.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:17 PM (dNqv+)

43 Did nazis have a counter-voice like chuy when they were ascendant?

Say safe.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 12:17 PM (yHsuS)

44 Hey NeverTrump and the rest of the brain-dead dead-ender Establishment Institutionalists --

Is your worship of the institutions without any limits whatsoever? Is your religious faith in the Works of Government Man unshakable and just a blank check that can never be overdrawn?

Well, for most of them, yeah. You said it in your quote, its faith. And you can not, will not, argue someone out of their faith.

Government is Religion to these people. The sooner that's accepted, the sooner we get to the next step in the conversation - what in the Hell do we do about it ? Because we are not going to change them. We don't have the will to make anyone deny their personal faith. That truly isn't what we are, whatever that is.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 12:17 PM (pMwL9)

45 they have one HELL of a grift going

they want to protect it

at all costs, btw

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 18, 2022 12:17 PM (w0NJk)

46 "What is the GOP going to say / do when an FBI agent or judge gets harmed or killed as a result of their escalating rhetoric?"

I won't shed a single tear, you kneepad-wearing, MFM-felching, corporate state whore.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2022 12:17 PM (AW0uW)

47 14 Our trolls don't understand us. My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (44ww/)

Reverend!

Posted by: Harvey Corpsman Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:17 PM (Ti+Tv)

48 I'm not nihilistic. Contemptible, I might grant you. Dangerous? Well... perhaps, if need be.

Posted by: PabloD at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (jvvca)

49 36 29 >>> Our trolls don't understand us. My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention.

+1000 even though I don't get it.
Posted by: Chuy Libre at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (B3oWe)

=========

Oddly enough, I did get it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:16 PM (LvTSG)
Not odd at all...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

50 If they try something like that...they fucking well had better win.

Second place: They lose everything.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (yvHe0)

Yup

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (anj39)

51 Have you ever wondered, Mandrake,
why you never see Republicans drinking tap water?
==========

Gonna be honest, General Ripper had it goin' on.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022

***
It's shame for a good movie buff to admit it . . . but I've never seen that film all the way through. The way Hayden (Sterling, I mean) is lit in that scene would have given me the creeps when I was a kid.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (J2vNu)

52 This is all very intentional.

And it was coming for us in 2016, have no illusions on that. All the intel agencies weren't magically stocked, fired up and ready to go for no reason. The GOP big-names and commentators werent just coincidentally all ready to turn in the same anti-American direction because of one man. They were always turned on us, their treatment of the tea party moose, patriot act, and TARP bailouts out front should have told you.

Their plan/idea right now is to cut the head off the snake - Trump - and then declare us un-citizens. And there will be no one to fight or speak for us in the entire world, although some will certainly try.

And *anything* that is done to push back will be proof of the "danger within". That is the plan. That is what's happening.

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (xjshH)

53 Welp, I said this the last time Hayden's name came up and I'll say it again:

Michael Hayden is Red Forman's uglier crazy brother.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (ZSK0i)

54 Hayden looks like washed up drag queen filled with bitterness as his no longer functioning limp biscuit can’t be shoved into his boyfriend’s bung hole.

Posted by: TaliBob self radicalized at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (uN6X9)

55 The CIA has been skewing Left/Democrat for a long, long time. Maybe for my full lifetime.

They helped destroy the Republic and should be destroyed in return.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (V6f9+)

56 Jose Chuy/2024!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (Q+K8B)

57 The scene:

https://tinyurl.com/ycy4mku3

BourbonChicken wins the blog for the day.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:19 PM (dNqv+)

58 Another swamp critter.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 12:19 PM (3qoBw)

59 Hayden CIA = Cock In Ass

Posted by: TaliBob self radicalized at August 18, 2022 12:19 PM (uN6X9)

60 32 And DeSantis is even worse than that!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:15 PM (LvTSG)

I think you mean DeSATAN!!!

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:19 PM (bhRsz)

61 12 Nihilistic ? I do not think that word means what he thinks it means
Posted by: It's me donna

I'm guessing he values nothing we value. So because we value nothing he values, we have no values in his world. Hence we're Nihilists.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 18, 2022 12:19 PM (g1EEm)

62 He should be hung upside down from a bridge rat Communist Bastard

Posted by: Skip's phone at August 18, 2022 12:19 PM (lr0Lr)

63 "intelligence" klatch that told us all that Iraq had WMDs.

Which, you know, they did. Why on earth this has to be pointed out over and over here I cannot comprehend.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:19 PM (Ivdso)

64 Nihilistic ? I do not think that word means what he thinks it means

Posted by: It's me donna at August 18, 2022 12:13 PM (bs+z0)

Winnah! Winnah! Chicken dinnah!

Posted by: BignJames at August 18, 2022 12:19 PM (AwYPR)

65 Asha needs some bodily fluids rubbed all over her.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 18, 2022 12:20 PM (m7R0k)

66 'Cannibal' solar burst headed for Earth could make northern lights visible in U.S.
https://tinyurl.com/5yaeuxam

A plume of "dark plasma" from the sun is expected to be overtaken by a "cannibal" solar burst that may cause an aurora display visible throughout large portions of the United States on Thursday.

On Monday, a second CME was created by the collapse of a gigantic magnetic filament and was also launched from the sun.

The second eruption is forecast to become more energetic and ultimately faster than the first, overtaking it in a process known as CME cannibalization.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also forecast that the storm could cause visible northern lights, or aurora borealis, to be visible in the U.S. mainland.

The northern lights could be seen as far south as Illinois and Oregon, which is well outside their normal realm.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 18, 2022 12:20 PM (MFZ8i)

67 This is all Casus Belli talk. Going to get really real, real soon.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 12:20 PM (Vr12I)

68 It's shame for a good movie buff to admit it . . . but I've never seen that film all the way through. The way Hayden (Sterling, I mean) is lit in that scene would have given me the creeps when I was a kid.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (J2vNu)

Watch every Sterling Hayden movie. The man was the real deal and had nothing but contempt for acting and Hollywood. A healthy attitude, if a bit ironic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:20 PM (V6f9+)

69 We're almost as bad as those filthy Jews in WWII Germany.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at August 18, 2022 12:20 PM (CCf67)

70 Bears repeating from Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:02 PM (5p7BC) and not exactly off-topic: I've been thinking about this alot, especially because I know CBD really wants DeSantis instead of Trump.

We need to understand who our enemy is.

Do we want to raise a red flag over the field because we beat Team Blue this time? Or do we want real change in the direction of our country.

Team Blue is our enemy if you just want to win, and don't care about change. But the Deep State is the real enemy.

The Deep State fears Trump, but doesn't fear DeSantis.

Team Blue and their cultural warriors fear DeSantis, but don't fear Trump.

Ergo, Trump needs to be the nominee in 2024. That is the path that leads to real risk to the Deep State.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 12:20 PM (yHsuS)

71 Is your worship of the institutions without any limits whatsoever? Is your religious faith in the Works of Government Man unshakable and just a blank check that can never be overdrawn?
++++
I assume this was rhetorical, right?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:20 PM (WWh8n)

72 66 'Cannibal' solar burst headed for Earth could make northern lights visible in U.S.
https://tinyurl.com/5yaeuxam

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 18, 2022 12:20 PM (MFZ8i)

And what does an cannibal solar burst eat, praytell?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:21 PM (ynpvh)

73 Wait.. Republicans are only 28% of the voters ?Keep telling yourselves that Dems

Posted by: It's me donna at August 18, 2022 12:21 PM (bs+z0)

74 GOP can't bestir itself ...
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Better yet, if you are on the front lines you *frequently* find it hard to distinguish from Demorat and GOPe. As in just yesterday PM.

Posted by: lurk at August 18, 2022 12:21 PM (MIODZ)

75 I don't think that fuckboil knows what the word "nihilistic" means. Cue Inigo Montoya . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2022 12:21 PM (iFTx/)

76 68 Watch every Sterling Hayden movie. The man was the real deal and had nothing but contempt for acting and Hollywood. A healthy attitude, if a bit ironic.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:20 PM (V6f9+)

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Also a major commie, if I remember correctly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

77 "wan dink"

That's a keeper! Two simple syllables that end with a phonetic car crash. David Mamet just called and said he's so pissed that he didn't come up with that one first.

Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at August 18, 2022 12:21 PM (qpX6U)

78 Our trolls don't understand us. My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention.
Posted by: BourbonChicken

So the 'Ludes kick in?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 12:21 PM (FVME7)

79 But to kill that many people would need some sort of model of efficiency

Hey getcher "vaccine" here!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at August 18, 2022 12:22 PM (HR5u0)

80 I saw Dark Plasma open for Earth, Wind, and Fire at the Wharf in '78.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 12:22 PM (Q+K8B)

81 Did they find Saddams WMD's in Mar a Lago?

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2022 12:22 PM (xjshH)

82 >>>Which, you know, they did.

they had world war one era mustard gas shell which had been buried underground for years and were unusable?

That's a WMD?

Posted by: Chuy Libre at August 18, 2022 12:22 PM (B3oWe)

83 We should be getting the fake magistrate's decision soon, right?

Posted by: I Mean at August 18, 2022 12:22 PM (9FBGz)

84
Say, what exactly did we get for going to war with Iraq in 2003?

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at August 18, 2022 12:22 PM (uW2OD)

85 There ain't no way to vote ourselves out of this. The fascist-progressive left democrats won't allow it.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (u4CEu)

86 82 they had world war one era mustard gas shell which had been buried underground for years and were unusable?

That's a WMD?

Posted by: Chuy Libre at August 18, 2022 12:22 PM (B3oWe)

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Aren't chemical warfare materials a classification of weapons of mass destruction?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (LvTSG)

87 >>>The Deep State fears Trump, but doesn't fear DeSantis.

except, you know, they beat him and everything.

Posted by: Chuy Libre at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (B3oWe)

88 Willowed:

>>If you are seriously going to start prosecuting people for not reporting the incidental use of corporate assets as income, you'll need to set up camps to accommodate all the prisoners.

They're not, these degenerate scumbags have been targeting Trump and his associates for the last seven years.

What the CFO was banged up for is penny anti shit that would almost never be prosecuted in the first place and or being settled quietly by paying a fine.

It's sort of like how John Podesta and his brother can retroactively register under FARA, pay a pittance of a fine and quietly close shop and slink away and Paul Manefort is swatted, frog-marched and sentenced to FPMITAP requiring a Presidential Pardon so that he doesn't die in prison.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (V9b2V)

89 They want one party rule. And the GOPe thinks that they will allow a fake opposition party and they'll keep their jobs. That's not what the Left has in mind.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (5HBd1)

90 With these types of threats, I sure hope all of those Democrat voters who changed their voter registration to Republican in Wyoming have started the process of registering back.

I wouldn't want them to be erroneously rounded up and loaded onto the cattle cars with the actual Republicans.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (TNyrE)

91 What is the Deep State going to do when a Republican lawmaker or conservative jurist is harmed by the leftards commie rats rhetoric inflaming some nut job to bring harm to them?

Oh we already know. Aw Shucks

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (3qoBw)

92 >>>Aren't chemical warfare materials a classification of weapons of mass destruction?

yes, technically, they are.

no one was thinking "mustard gas" when we invaded iraq, though. We were told about anthrax and atomic bombs.

Posted by: Chuy Libre at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (B3oWe)

93 91 What is the Deep State going to do when a Republican lawmaker or conservative jurist is harmed by the leftards commie rats rhetoric inflaming some nut job to bring harm to them?

Oh we already know. Aw Shucks
Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (3qoBw)

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"Never saw him before in my life."
-Chuck Schumer

"Good enough for us!"
-The NYT

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (LvTSG)

94 How did Mittens happen to come by the nom de HQ of “boneless pork rectum?”

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (p+g5G)

95 Asha needs some bodily fluids rubbed all over her.

Just a wee minkey pox blister.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (HR5u0)

96 "My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening thru a cosmic vapor of invention."

That's the 621 km/sec solar wind blowing through there. I've got the tie-downs on my brain.

Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (qpX6U)

97 I saw a detailed report about the earthbound CME. Don't get your hopes up for a Carrington event. I'm hoping to see an aurora (never seen one in person), but of course it's flippin' raining here today and maybe tonight.

Posted by: PabloD at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (jvvca)

98 Someone in the FBI is trying to argue that Trump is guilty of sedition and espionage? Over documents that Trump had the sole legal authority to classify or declassify?

Are you stupid or just a bald faced liar.

Never mind, just insert -and-

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (5p7BC)

99 Willowed, I disagree. I find it hard to believe any GOPe staffers or politicos read sites like Ace. If they did, they would actually understand our political positions and arguments and the most obvious thing to do would be to tailor their messaging and try to win us over or co-opt us instead of doing the exact opposite of everything we want.

That isn't quite what Whig was saying. Trolls of all types read next-to-nothing of us, and understand nothing of us.

Posted by: BourbonChicken
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Other blogs that are popular and lasted over time have a pretty good troll detector system. A few AOS commenters themselves admit to trolling leftie sites or did (many of them have vanished into the Internet Time Machine ether) and what their tactics were.

Ace is prominent enough to get mentioned often on Instapundit and other important places like Powerline, etc. either directly or by commenters because he is hilarious in slicing and dicing dickheads on the right, center, and left. People read PJ O Rourke for similar reasons. If Ace had been borne in a previous era, he would have been a star writer for SNL or National Lampoon when those meant something.

Posted by: whig at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (CXr4y)

100 Watch every Sterling Hayden movie. The man was the real deal and had nothing but contempt for acting and Hollywood. A healthy attitude, if a bit ironic.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022

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I very much enjoyed Kubrick's earlier movie with Hayden, The Killing. Used to be I disliked SK's films. Then I liked Eyes Wide Shut and The Killing, and I need to see some more of his work. (Still don't care for 2001 and The Shining, though.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (J2vNu)

101 We should be getting the fake magistrate's decision soon, right?

Posted by: I Mean at August 18, 2022 12:22 PM (9FBGz)

Oh yeah it's a real nailbiter wondering how many words it's gonna take him to say "lick my taint, mouthbreather, I AM the law".

Seen this show before. Someone please change the fucking channel.

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2022 12:25 PM (xjshH)

102 98 Someone in the FBI is trying to argue that Trump is guilty of sedition and espionage? Over documents that Trump had the sole legal authority to classify or declassify?

Are you stupid or just a bald faced liar.

Never mind, just insert -and-
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (5p7BC)

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Personally, I'm just stupid.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

103 Excellent post, Ace.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 12:25 PM (yHsuS)

104 The CIA has been skewing Left/Democrat for a long, long time. Maybe for my full lifetime.

I think, hindsight being the awesome thing that it is, all these agencies have been skewing extremely Statist for decades. The Left just happened to also skew Statist for the last two decades or so. The two met at the current destination.

Now, the powers of the State insist that the Citizens just shut the Hell up and support the State. Democrats simply happen to be nominally in charge of the State right now. But all these agencies would turn on their asses too, if necessary. These agencies mean to be supported.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 12:25 PM (pMwL9)

105 The great unmasking continues.

Posted by: Caliban at August 18, 2022 12:25 PM (HgGBT)

106 100 I very much enjoyed Kubrick's earlier movie with Hayden, The Killing. Used to be I disliked SK's films. Then I liked Eyes Wide Shut and The Killing, and I need to see some more of his work. (Still don't care for 2001 and The Shining, though.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (J2vNu)

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*squinty eyes*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

107 Watch every Sterling Hayden movie. The man was the real deal and had nothing but contempt for acting and Hollywood. A healthy attitude, if a bit ironic.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water

In an alternate time line, I could see Hayden as Jules Winnfield to Bogart's Vincent Vega in Pulp Fiction.

There's a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay My vengeance upon you."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 12:25 PM (FVME7)

108 Wait.. Republicans are only 28% of the voters ?Keep telling yourselves that Dems

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Yeah, Trump got 70-somethingish million votes to Biden's 81 bullshitillionish votes.

That makes Republicans only 27.51%, which the CIA generously rounds up to 28%.

Math. You have to know it to be in government.

Posted by: Tar Bae at August 18, 2022 12:26 PM (ZiVNv)

109 We should be getting the fake magistrate's decision soon, right?

At this point, shouldn't an actual judge be ruling on issues with this search warrant?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 12:26 PM (Q+K8B)

110 I saw a detailed report about the earthbound CME. Don't get your hopes up for a Carrington event. I'm hoping to see an aurora (never seen one in person), but of course it's flippin' raining here today and maybe tonight.
Posted by: PabloD at August 18, 2022

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Same here; and I'm way farther south than Oregon anyway.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 12:26 PM (J2vNu)

111 Also a major commie, if I remember correctly.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

I thought he repented from that. Disappointing if he was a Red at heart.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:26 PM (V6f9+)

112 You know, I find it interesting that the arguments here on Trump v DeSantis kind of mirror the earlier Anyone v Trump of 2015/2016. I hope it does not turn into another bloodletting, but at the same time, those who remain are not arguing over a fundamental difference in aim (as we were back then) we are arguing over method.

We're political geeks, and this is what geeks do.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:26 PM (dNqv+)

113 "Kubrick's earlier movie with Hayden, The Killing"

Great movie. Recommended.

Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (qpX6U)

114 Well actually, thanks to Covid, tax cheating Manafort was looking to die under house arrest in his mansion.

I don't like that guy. He's no better than Hunter Biden grifting Ukrainian money and dodging taxes... Ukrainian money that our corrupt Congress sent there.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (3qoBw)

115 Yet another reason why nobody who leaves the government and had a clearance should be allowed to keep it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (BFigT)

116 94 How did Mittens happen to come by the nom de HQ of “boneless pork rectum?”
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 18, 2022 12:24 PM (p+g5G)

The hard way.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (UuD2k)

117 They all know if Trump or DeSantis gay in to office they'll immediately declassify tons of documents, and all these government lifers will end up in prison, if not at the Hague, shoo they'll do anything to stop them.

It's hilarious how all the left is crying "Republicans are targeting the FBI and putting them in danger" while Democrats are targeting citizens.

Posted by: Rbastid at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (B5ySB)

118 @AshaRangappa_
What is the GOP going to say/do when an FBI agent or judge gets harmed, or killed, as a result of their escalating rhetoric? Serious question. They can condemn this NOW.
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Sorry, bitch, but I'm not playing. I hope no conservative worth his salt plays, either. You are not allowed to complain about "escalating rhetoric" and pin the blame for any and all things on conservatives when your side is the one that calls for open warfare on the streets.

Where was *your* condemnation when your street thug rioters killed people and destroyed property during the Summer of Love in 2020? You didn't condemn them. Your side *encouraged* them and, at absolute best, declined to pass judgement because of your "understanding."

So sit down and shut up. These are not terms on which it is worthy to engage. Any response to this just acknowledges guilt that doesn't exist. You know it. That is the point. This kind of absurd "when did you stop beating your wife" trap is transparent to the point of tedium and only an idiot would try it or respond to it on its own terms. Your argument is void, your premise is invalid and your scheme is boring. Be better.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (WWh8n)

119 111 Also a major commie, if I remember correctly.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

I thought he repented from that. Disappointing if he was a Red at heart.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:26 PM (V6f9+)

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I don't know much about actors personal lives or beliefs, but I'm happy to spread malicious lies blithely and without proper documentation! I did read it on the Internet, you know.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (LvTSG)

120 If the Deep State doesn't fear Trump, why are they raiding his house?

Doesn't seem to be a raids on the DeSantis property in Jacksonville.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (5p7BC)

121 Personally, I'm just stupid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

S'truth.

j/k

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (dNqv+)

122 wouldn't want them to be erroneously rounded up and loaded onto the cattle cars with the actual Republicans.

Cattle cars are quaint, it'll be pop up regional bio-diesel rendering plants.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (HR5u0)

123 What is the Deep State going to do when a Republican lawmaker or conservative jurist is harmed by the leftards commie rats rhetoric inflaming some nut job to bring harm to them?

Never mind them, what's the GOP going to do?

Award the nut job a medal, like Cruz?

Go back to work as though nothing happened, like Scalise?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (AW0uW)

124 There are so many executive branch agencies that need purging or outright elimination. We want to see Fibies among others fleeing like rabbits through a hedge.

In better news, PMILF https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1560300426133651458

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (8erNz)

125 121 Personally, I'm just stupid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

S'truth.

j/k
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (dNqv+)

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I don't get it. BECAUSE I'M STUPID!!!!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:28 PM (LvTSG)

126 The stuff that the Left believes about Trump is truly incredible.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 18, 2022 12:28 PM (5HBd1)

127 It's weird. There hasn't been one offensive attack by Republicans on any of the state apparatus. Not one. Yet, Democrats have demonstrably crossed every norm, tradition and weaponized the state against their political opponents. Like this bint, to a person they manufacture their psychotic fantasies on Twitter to salve their delusions. They ignore every material event and fail to convict every person with their political affiliation, yet Republicans are the threat. Sure they are. Just about every average person outside the blue check circle jerk sees what's going on here, and it terrifies them.

Posted by: Marcus t at August 18, 2022 12:28 PM (S1S3K)

128 Did they find Saddams WMD's in Mar a Lago?

--

Jimmy Hoffa

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 18, 2022 12:28 PM (sVtYq)

129 Is there any longer any question as to what "our betters" have planned for us?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 18, 2022 12:28 PM (Xrfse)

130 Personally, I'm just stupid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

Personally, I'm just a bald-faced liar. Not bald-*headed*, though; I want to be very clear on that point.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:28 PM (bhRsz)

131 Who is Edward G. Luce?

(from Wikipedia): Luce is the son of Rose Helen (nee Nicholson) and Richard Luce, Baron Luce. His father is the former Lord Chamberlain to the Queen (2000 to 2006), former Governor of Gibraltar, a Conservative Member of Parliament (MP) (1971 to 1992), government minister, and a crossbench member of the House of Lords. His paternal grandfather is Sir William Luce, Governor and Commander-in-Chief of Aden, Political Resident in the Gulf and Special Representative to the Foreign Secretary (Lord Home) for Gulf Affairs. His great-uncle is admiral Sir David Luce, First Sea Lord (1963--1966). His maternal great-grandfather is vice-admiral Sir Trevylyan Napier, who was the Commander-in-Chief, America and West Indies Station (1919--1920). His first cousin is actress Miranda Hart.

Luce completed his secondary education at various boarding schools around Sussex, graduated with a degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from New College, Oxford, in 1990, and received a post-graduate diploma in newspaper journalism from City University, London.

A 0.01 percenter, if ever I've seen one.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (cWJgw)

132 Go back to work as though nothing happened, like Scalise?

Now that's not fair. The man also called for unity, you know, with the same party that encouraged his own assassin. That took effort.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (pMwL9)

133 #116
They do have jars of pickled boneless pork rectum, right?

Posted by: The Dog's Just Fine at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (3qoBw)

134 Best Kubrick movie is Paths of Glory, by far.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (p+g5G)

135 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (WWh8n)

To quote Oscar Wilde, I wish I had said that.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (AW0uW)

136 130
Personally, I'm just a bald-faced liar. Not bald-*headed*, though; I want to be very clear on that point.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:28 PM (bhRsz)

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This is a micro-aggression against Mark.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (LvTSG)

137 (Still don't care for 2001 and The Shining, though.)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022
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*squinty eyes*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022

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Oh, there are beautiful images and moments in 2001, no question. And I haven't seen the film in decades, so perhaps I would have a different view of it than when I saw it in 1970 or so. The end just seemed so *incoherent.*

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (J2vNu)

138 >>>The Deep State fears Trump, but doesn't fear DeSantis.

except, you know, they beat him and everything.

Posted by: Chuy Libre at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (B3oWe)

Through massive fraud enabled by a bioweapon created by our own government and institutional malfeasance to deny the populace potentially effective therapeutics. I'd love to share the faith that another would have fared any better under those circumstance. But that's all it is at this point.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (yHsuS)

139 Notice how this coward:
1) won't state specifically the "dangerous rhetoric" or give examples
2) won't name who are the evil leaders, beyond the implied Trump

And it's so very beyond tiresome the threadbare "self-proclaimed expert" on the assertion "I've studied this around the world."

No, you haven't. You have not. You've wrote ideological screeds for profit. Not dispassionate analysis with citations and scholarship.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (Zf0+a)

140 Only recent high-up intel man I trust is the former NSA Director, Michael S. Rogers. Everyone else is despicable or just shady at best.

Posted by: Baldy at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (HfbAJ)

141 Abradolf Lincler (Rick and Morty-Adult Swim) aka Liz Cheney

In Liz Cheney's native Nazi German: youtube.com/watch?v=fHPxlJiPX1M

In English: youtube.com/watch?v=BI74IoU6rm4

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (MFZ8i)

142 120 If the Deep State doesn't fear Trump, why are they raiding his house?

Doesn't seem to be a raids on the DeSantis property in Jacksonville.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:27 PM (5p7BC)

Dave, if you were DeSantis, would you quit your Florida job in order to jump into the national political slime pit at this time??

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (Vr12I)

143 It almost sounds as if Hayden et al are setting the groundwork for a mass roundup?

You know, camps.

Posted by: I Mean at August 18, 2022 12:30 PM (9FBGz)

144 So, believe in objective morality now means nihilism.

And nihilism now means ... what?

I'm so confused.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 18, 2022 12:30 PM (es0Dj)

145 Hayden testified against the commies and said: "the FBI made it very clear to me that, if I became an 'unfriendly witness', I could damn well forget the custody of my children. I didn't want to go to jail, that was the other thing."

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 18, 2022 12:30 PM (5HBd1)

146 137 Oh, there are beautiful images and moments in 2001, no question. And I haven't seen the film in decades, so perhaps I would have a different view of it than when I saw it in 1970 or so. The end just seemed so *incoherent.*
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (J2vNu)

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The ending has a very mundane explanation. The joy is the opaqueness told cinematically.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:30 PM (LvTSG)

147 The funniest part was the only WMD's they found were the ones we gave Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 12:30 PM (UuD2k)

148 What is the GOP going to say/do when an FBI agent or judge gets harmed, or killed, as a result of their escalating rhetoric?

I dunno... maybe give the killer a medal?

Oh, my bad--medals are reserved for feds who murder unarmed, non-violent women. Whoops! Whoopsie!

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at August 18, 2022 12:30 PM (DTX3h)

149 Ever wonder what the political culture of a last 80s socialist state would be like if you promoted the people that failed the most?

Well welcome to the American government of 2022!

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:30 PM (ESjRY)

150 91 What is the Deep State going to do when a Republican lawmaker or conservative jurist is harmed by the leftards commie rats rhetoric inflaming some nut job to bring harm to them?

Oh we already know. Aw Shucks
Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (3qoBw)

They'd talk in their serious voices about how passionate the murderer was while holding in their guffaws and cheers over a dead "terrorist". If not outright cheer on for more people to imitate them, stop being cowards, and "do the right thing for our democracy."

Posted by: Homer's Donuts at August 18, 2022 12:30 PM (BCSAN)

151 Best Kubrick movie is Paths of Glory, by far.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (p+g5G)

With Kirk Douglas, right? I have that in queue but never seem to get around to watching it. I'll have to change that.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 12:31 PM (Q+K8B)

152 They're doing this because they're scared.

They never expected Trump to win in 2016. They managed to tie Trump up with fake investigations, which limited what he could do, but they are still terrified.

They stole the 2020 Presidential election, but didn't get the Congressional majorities they needed to completely transform the country.

Now, they see a nationwide revulsion against them, and they realize that politically things are going to go very badly for them, unless they do something unprecedented, which may well backfire.

They're scared.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 18, 2022 12:31 PM (I2/tG)

153 See, all of this could've been avoided, and most people would have thought that FBI is just an upstanding group of people, but no, they decided to raide an President Trump's home ..,

Posted by: runner at August 18, 2022 12:31 PM (TBJqQ)

154 OH FFS, we are using the same argument that was used against Fabius re Hannibal. 'Hannibal is explicitly not attacking and plundering Fabius' property! FABIUS MUST BE IN LEAUGE WITH HIM!!!!!!!!'

DeSantis may or may not be a squish when the chips are really down. However, he is doing more of substance now than Trump (because of position.) What I have seen so far makes me willing to give him a shot.

I have to admit, I am somewhat agnostic on Trump v DeSantis. I am curious, but not devoted to either.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:31 PM (dNqv+)

155 I am thinking of the words of Bob Dole when he said, “I’ve said repeatedly in this campaign that the President was my opponent and not my enemy.”

Mr Luce, you are a foreigner so your comments have little meaning to me. I doubt I could say the same thing in Britain about the Queen and get away with it. Go home.
General, you are sadly mistaken. But if this is your position then fine, I've told more than one general they were wrong. And you sir, are wrong. You would do well to review Dole's history. He was ten times the man in uniform than you ever were. But if you persist, lets leave the civilians out of this and you can start with me. Come tell me I am extreme, violent, dangerous or contemptible. Lets see how that works out.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2022 12:31 PM (anj39)

156 The stuff that the Left believes about Trump is truly incredible.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 18, 2022 12:28 PM (5HBd1)

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It's not even imaginary incredulousness -- it's pure projection (including the Russian Hookers & Golden Showers).

If it wasn't for projection, the Left would have no ions at all ...

Posted by: ShainS -- VDH-Endorsed-by-Proxy Connoisseur of Cruelty at August 18, 2022 12:31 PM (WtAgB)

157 If Trump runs, DeSantis almost certainly won't. If Trump doesn't run, DeSantis almost certainly will. So why are we arguing about this?

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:31 PM (bhRsz)

158 I really truly most whole-heartedly wish that Republicans were as dangerous and diabolical as the left claims they are. I'll take danger and diabolics over the limp-wristed sad defeatist twats that make up most of our party.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2022 12:32 PM (iFTx/)

159 2012: What does gay marriage have to do with you anyway h8ter?

2022: If you believe the things Barack Obama publicly claimed to believe in 2012 you are more dangerous then ISIS, AQ, the Soviets and the NAZIs combined

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:32 PM (ESjRY)

160 Wan Dink > Juan McCain

Posted by: ShainS -- VDH-Endorsed-by-Proxy Connoisseur of Cruelty at August 18, 2022 12:32 PM (WtAgB)

161 Hayden is seriously dumb as fuck. We are a laughingstock with him even close to a position of responsibility.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 18, 2022 12:32 PM (y7DUB)

162 I didn't know I was worse than the Taliban or the Iranians. I guess I'm moving up in the world.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:32 PM (WWh8n)

163 The stuff that the Left believes about Trump is truly incredible.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

Again, The Rule of Thirds:

1rd goes along to get along
2nd is hypnotized to believe it
3rd wants to murder people, and stand on the rest.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2022 12:32 PM (IEa8U)

164 Now that's not fair. The man also called for unity, you know, with the same party that encouraged his own assassin. That took effort.

I remember someone here asking me, "what did you want him to do, kick someone's ass?" Yes, I did. In retrospect, Scalise should have walked up to the nearest Dem who was giving him an ovation and broken their fucking jaw. Pour encourager les autres.

Instead, he just stood there with his metaphorical pants around his ankles, with a goofy aw-shucks smile and Sally Field's sobbing Oscar whine running through his empty head.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2022 12:32 PM (AW0uW)

165 Even the Catholic Church when it was in the burning people at the stake portion of its history, didn't stoop so low as to call dissidents "nihilistic". Heretics yes. Pagans yes. But never did they stoop so low as to suggest they believed in "nothing". That's a fresh level. Rhetoric that would be at home during any genocide ever committed.

These lies are dehumanization to start the process of justifying violent persecution.

Posted by: mikethemoose at August 18, 2022 12:32 PM (T/vhV)

166 151 With Kirk Douglas, right? I have that in queue but never seem to get around to watching it. I'll have to change that.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 12:31 PM (Q+K8B)

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It's magnificent.

It also didn't use any footage from Wooden Crosses, which almost every American movie about WWI trench warfare did for decades.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:32 PM (LvTSG)

167 Also a major commie, if I remember correctly.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:21 PM (LvTSG)

I thought he repented from that. Disappointing if he was a Red at heart.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:26 PM (V6f9+)

According to the IMDB.com, it was the other way around. Hayden cooperated with the HUAC and then regretted it afterwards, calling himself a rat.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (ZSK0i)

168 >>The CIA has been skewing Left/Democrat for a long, long time. Maybe for my full lifetime.

There's a group who has pushed the theory that Bill Clinton along with his longtime friend and Oxford roommate Strobe Talbot were CIA assets while in the UK. This is not necessarily as far fetched as it sounds, I have some former work colleagues who were recruited to give reports to the CIA on what they saw during their overseas trips. This was some time ago and I think the practice has stopped but it wasn't unheard of.

Democrats are the party of big government and have been since before there was a CIA. It's why so much of our bureaucracy leans left. I don't think there is a singe bureaucratic institution in DC that hasn't be co-opted by Democrats.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (ZLI7S)

169 @156

>>If it wasn't for projection, the Left would have no ions at all ...

It's not even projection, it's straight up delusional lies.

Turmp has become their Emmanuel Goldstein/White Whale, they will never stop pursuing him.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (V9b2V)

170 Say, what exactly did we get for going to war with Iraq in 2003?

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA
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A Class A coat with pretty little ribbons and medals, for some of us.

And a lifetime of regret...and anger.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (flOYI)

171 28% of voters huh? I guess that's how Liz Cheney thumped the opposition.

Posted by: BignJames at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (AwYPR)

172 Brimful of Asha on the ... forty-five
Well it's a brimful of Asha on the ... forty-five

Posted by: spindrift at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (h5TKJ)

173 "Escalating rhetoric" is not defined by calls to restructure a highly corrupted bureaucracy that is targeting its leaders' political rivals.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (sVtYq)

174 "This asshole was also head of the NSA before 9/11 -- he MISSED all the signs -- and then part of the BOTCHED "intelligence" klatch that told us all that Iraq had WMDs."

If anything has been learned over the last six or seven years, it is the CIA and other United States intelligence services almost certainly did NOT make a mistake about Saddam's WMD's. In all likelihood, it was just one more deliberate lie from them to justify massacring Iraqis and physically and mentally wounding a generation of young American men.

Did the democratically elected or appointed window dressing to the National Security State deliberately lie or just regurgitate what they were told? I dunno, but I would not put money on the proposition they were told lies and repeated them unknowingly.

Michael Hayden is Exhibit A in that the National Security State deliberately lied about WMD's and was perfectly fine with hundreds of thousands of needless deaths and murders as a result.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (nMx88)

175 This may be cynical, but I view DeSantis as our Plan B if Trump is unable to run in '24.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (Vr12I)

176 Hayden and his acolytes really need a new hobby, other than tweeting.

They sound literally crazy.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (EFR0k)

177 88 Willowed

What the CFO was banged up for is penny anti shit that would almost never be prosecuted in the first place and or being settled quietly by paying a fine.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

Seems like it was a little more than that. About $100,000/year of undeclared perks from 2005 to 2021. Grandkids' tuition. Mercedes vehicles. An Upper-West-Side apartment.

Al Capone's tax issues were penny-ante shit relative to the crimes they wanted to get him on. Tax is unfortunately well established as a way to nail people.

Problem is the flipside of the perks is the employer is guilty of failing to withhold. So they can go after Trump. If the "truthful testimony" turns out to be "Yeah, Donald personally said don't worry about it", he might be in trouble with a TDS-suffering NYC jury.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (g1EEm)

178 A few of these people - both the progs and GOPE hacks - are getting cold feet because they have just enough life experience to know (or have been warned by those that do) that they're on a trajectory to get fucking Guernica'ed.

War is coming. Don't blame analysis (hi Dave in FL!) when shit goes way off the rails; some of these people have always intended for it to come to this.

Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (HMWox)

179 Did Sterling Hayden ever work with Robert Ryan? They're a lot alike on screen.

Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at August 18, 2022 12:34 PM (qpX6U)

180 The FBI openly helps a jihadi try to assassinate Pam Geller....hoohum...

Someone tied to the Dem party tries to murder the Republican congressional majority...hoohum...

Someone tied to the Dem party tries to murder an SC judge...hoohum...

Someone says something mean about the FBI...THIS CANNOT STAND!

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:34 PM (ESjRY)

181 ISIS: Sets caged prisoners of war on fire.
GOP: Wants to legally dismantle FBI.

Boko Harum: Beheads Christian women and children.
GOP: Would like to control our southern border.

ISIS: Any woman not of ISIS is to be gang-raped.
GOP: Wears MAGA hats.

I guess Hayden has a point.

Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 18, 2022 12:34 PM (+r+VC)

182 Meh. Twatter is a sewer filled with low IQ mouth breathers all racing to the bottom of the sewage. It is well past time for that app to die

Posted by: The Paolo at August 18, 2022 12:34 PM (flINI)

183
During the Snowden thing, Hayden showed himself to be a seriously sinister bastard. Without regard to the right or the wrong of Snowden's actions, Hayden made it clear that he was a remorseless spook who was happy to violate any number of laws because he knew himself to be above them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 18, 2022 12:34 PM (IXpV7)

184 Like this bint, to a person they manufacture their psychotic fantasies on Twitter to salve their delusions. They ignore every material event and fail to convict every person with their political affiliation, yet Republicans are the threat.

Come on, you know this answer. When two people both want to fight, there ain't much talking before hand. They just get right to it.

But whenever you've got two ol' boys that only kinda' sorta' want to fight ? Or even one that thinks he might want to jump on the other, but ain't sure ? Then you get all that jawing, and some pushing, and that stupid face right in the others face posturing, until one finally gets himself screwed up tight enough to get to business.

That's where we are. This is your Haydens and Rangappas and Pfeifers of the world working themselves up, until they can finally get those hands to start signing the big round up orders and camp construction documents. They're not quite there yet. But they're working on it.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (pMwL9)

185 The Intel Community, the people who didn't see every Iraqi division massed on the Kuwait border. Same bunch of clowns who swore on a stack of bibles there were WMDs in Iraq after a series of mysterious convoys into Syria. Top. Men.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (lz5hY)

186 "It's magnificent."

ISWYDT!

Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (qpX6U)

187 PLEASE HELP ME LANCE MY PIMPLE

Posted by: Girl What Has The HUGE Pimple on Her Back at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (flINI)

188 Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 18, 2022 12:20 PM (MFZ8i)

So...what you telling me is that the Blue States are gonna get Sun Poop(TM) all over them.

Have I got that right?

I gotta say I pretty much agree with Old Sol pooping all over the Blue States.

#ThumbsUpForSolarDiarrhea

Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (5NkmN)

189 Turmp has become their Emmanuel Goldstein/White Whale, they will never stop pursuing him.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (V9b2V)

Jean Valjean...and that frog cop.

Posted by: BignJames at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (AwYPR)

190 Brimful of Asha on the ... forty-five
Well it's a brimful of Asha on the ... forty-five
Posted by: spindrift at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (h5TKJ)
++++
Damnation.

https://youtu.be/lM7H0ooV_o8

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (WWh8n)

191 They never expected Trump to win in 2016.

Trump managed to mobilize the white working class politically.

They key to Democratic control is to suppress the white working class vote - nominating people who obviously hated the white working class, like McCain and Romney, worked nicely.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (I2/tG)

192 186 "It's magnificent."

ISWYDT!
Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (qpX6U)

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One might say it's full of stars.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

193 Nihilists? Fuck me.

I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it's an ethos.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (ppBhU)

194 Poo Tin has been sword rattling up in the Baltics.

Spreading himself thin methinks.

Posted by: The Dog's Just Fine at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (3qoBw)

195 And nihilism now means ... what?

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The failure to believe in the inherent superiority of Biden, Obama, and Cheney (both). And also being anti vax.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (FVME7)

196 Personally, I'm just a bald-faced liar. Not bald-*headed*, though; I want to be very clear on that point.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:28 PM (bhRsz)
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This is a micro-aggression against Mark.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (LvTSG)

#BaldIsBeautiful

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:36 PM (V6f9+)

197 Pro FEMA Camp Tip:

Keep your spoon on a string around your neck.

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 18, 2022 12:36 PM (j40lz)

198 This is their culture. It cannot be reformed. It can only be razed and replanted with better seeds.

Fuck that.
Imagine a world without leftists.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel ace is the best ace at August 18, 2022 12:36 PM (Ri+XN)

199 Brimful of Asha on the ... forty-five
Well it's a brimful of Asha on the ... forty-five

I love that song. Or, more precisely, the Fatboy Slim remix.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2022 12:36 PM (AW0uW)

200 And nihilism now means ... what?

What used to be called patriotism.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:36 PM (ESjRY)

201 These are their public comments.

Imagine what they say and are plotting privately.

Posted by: I Mean at August 18, 2022 12:36 PM (9FBGz)

202 Nihilism:
Believing in something more than yourself that doesn't include government bureaucrats.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:37 PM (LvTSG)

203 ISIS: Any woman not of ISIS is to be gang-raped.
GOP: Wears MAGA hats.

I guess Hayden has a point.
Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 18, 2022 12:34 PM (+r+VC)

Speaking of that, have you heard of Rapekreig? Supposedly, it's a white supremist group that wants to rape white women to grow the white race. At least according to the media.

Sounds like some dumb shit a neurotic leftist dreamed up, but apparently they arrested some guy.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 12:37 PM (UuD2k)

204 Michael Hayden is Exhibit A in that the National Security State deliberately lied about WMD's and was perfectly fine with hundreds of thousands of needless deaths and murders as a result.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (nMx8

Yep.

War is coming. Don't blame analysis (hi Dave in FL!) when shit goes way off the rails; some of these people have always intended for it to come to this.

Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (HMWox)

This is a sober analysis. As much as I would like to have faith that the next election or two will fix this, it is increasingly clear to me that destruction (of America and Americans) is the plan. Plan accordingly.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (yHsuS)

205 203 Speaking of that, have you heard of Rapekreig? Supposedly, it's a white supremist group that wants to rape white women to grow the white race. At least according to the media.

Sounds like some dumb shit a neurotic leftist dreamed up, but apparently they arrested some guy.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 12:37 PM (UuD2k)

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"It's a mass movement. The Twitter handle (which Twitter never bothered to ban) has 13 followers! 13!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (LvTSG)

206 Poo Tin has been sword rattling up in the Baltics.

Spreading himself thin methinks.
Posted by: The Dog's Just Fine at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (3qoBw)

Now would be the time for Poland to make a move on Moscow.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (Q+K8B)

207 Larry Pfeiffer's defense of Hayden is he didn't ROUTINELY kill anyone? So it's better that he killed people on an irregular schedule?

Damn, dude.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (eyxn4)

208 Col Dax gets all the love but the real hero of Paths of Glory is the artillery major that tells the general to get stuffed.

Posted by: The guy that moves pianos for a living at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (7gEpo)

209 It's not about what DeSantis would or wouldn't do right now in the run up to an election.

If the Deep State was worried about him, they would be doing everything they could to remove him as a possible candidate.

This doesn't mean that he is not potentially a more existential threat than Trump is to them, but in their eyes, he is not.

All of the action from the Deep State and J6 committee is to find some way to keep Trump from running in 2024. It is the only play they are making, and they are willing to risk their institutions to do so.

Hell, look at this Michael Hayden tweet. He is putting the reputation and future effectiveness of both NSA and the CIA at risk, because of TDS. That is a very bold move. I used to work under Hayden, and he was known for keeping his mouth shut.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (5p7BC)

210 "Bureaucrats Gone Wild."
Someone should make a movie.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (NpAcC)

211 These deep state 'thought leaders' are literally insane. They are a danger to America.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (lTGtQ)

212 "And what does an cannibal solar burst eat, praytell?"

I'd guess they are referring to eating power grids, or causing problems. This guy says the odd of that are currently very low (for this event), but if more big eruptions happened and all the timing was just right, could be problems.

Probably not Carrington level even at that, but with all the grid vulnerabilities (and other satellite/tech/etc.) today versus then, issues could occur.

https://tinyurl.com/kc73e9ka

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (Cus5s)

213 176 Hayden and his acolytes really need a new hobby, other than tweeting.

They sound literally crazy.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (EFR0k)

Scary crazy. I find it hard to believe that they actually think those things. And scary that they they are at some of the highest levels of our government if they do.

Posted by: Javems at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (AmoqO)

214 The Intel Community is fully aware of everything going on. They want to, and believe they are, steering events in the direction they and/or their masters want.

Posted by: davidt at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (oTZbj)

215 The Intel Community, the people who didn't see every Iraqi division massed on the Kuwait border. Same bunch of clowns who swore on a stack of bibles there were WMDs in Iraq after a series of mysterious convoys into Syria. Top. Men.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (lz5hY)
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I believe there were WMD's in Iraq. I also believe the CIA helped Iraq develop Iraqi WMD's for their war against Iran. I also think the WMD's were hustled out of Iraq, prior to Gulf War II, because the CIA's fingerprints were all over those WMD's.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (5pTK/)

216 This blonde in a black dress actively disrespects Michael Hayden and everyone like him:
https://is.gd/iuwxDN

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (WWh8n)

217 "Seems like it was a little more than that."

Not at all, and maybe you want to know a little about the subject before you attempt to troll.

What they went after him for were loopholes that many major corporations have used for years. It was actually common place, and the minute an indictment came down (and, weird, some before that) some companies went back and refiled. They probably paid penalties and interest, but, again, weird, they didn't get indicted or put on trial. Oh geez, is that the two-tiered justice "unicorn" they speak of so much? Why yes, Grover, yes it is.

By the way, Trump is implicated at all in any of this. Just people who work for him who they are looking to "flip" on something else. This guy told them he has nothing, and triple-weird, they are not going to find anything. But, we know, the walls are closing in. Sure thing, asshole.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (VpIIl)

218 165 Even the Catholic Church when it was in the burning people at the stake portion of its history, didn't stoop so low as to call dissidents "nihilistic". Heretics yes. Pagans yes. But never did they stoop so low as to suggest they believed in "nothing". That's a fresh level. Rhetoric that would be at home during any genocide ever committed.

These lies are dehumanization to start the process of justifying violent persecution.
Posted by: mikethemoose at August 18, 2022 12:32 PM (T/vhV)

Burning at the stake is a secular thing and comes from the old Saxon pagan tradition of burning witches at the stake (as does belief in witches altogether). The Church banned belief in witches (ie it's all bullshit don't worry about it) very early on but was unsuccessful at stamping out the belief and practice of burning witches.

Maybe the Papal States has executed people at some point but eclessiastical court was infamously lax(a good way to escape severe punishment for even heinous crime) rather than harsh. Monarchs executed people for heresy as they tended to treat it as treason.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (KcSkz)

219 Boko Harum: Beheads Christian women and children.

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Didja see this from Uganda?

Muslim attackers cut off a new Christian convert's hand while they forced his wife to watch

IslamChristianityAfricaReligion Of Peace

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (FVME7)

220 I remember some incels trying to get the "socialism of sex" going.

The basic idea would be that instead of individuals controlling the means of reproduction, the government would randomly pair people up.

On the one hand it is really dumb. On the other hand it makes *exactly* as much sense as the rest of socialism. Needless to say feminists were not happy about the idea.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (ESjRY)

221 Which, you know, they did. Why on earth this has to be pointed out over and over here I cannot comprehend.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:19 PM (Ivdso)

They found some leftover crap. Saddam had no active program. It was all a lie.

Posted by: WiNO at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (WVeiZ)

222 The CIA has been skewing Left/Democrat for a long, long time. Maybe for my full lifetime.

There's a group who has pushed the theory that Bill Clinton along with his longtime friend and Oxford roommate Strobe Talbot were CIA assets while in the UK. This is not necessarily as far fetched as it sounds, I have some former work colleagues who were recruited to give reports to the CIA on what they saw during their overseas trips. This was some time ago and I think the practice has stopped but it wasn't unheard of.

Democrats are the party of big government and have been since before there was a CIA. It's why so much of our bureaucracy leans left. I don't think there is a singe bureaucratic institution in DC that hasn't be co-opted by Democrats.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2022 12:33 PM (ZLI7S)

Factor in the hinkey drug running and murders tied to Billy in Arkansas and it looks even more plausible. At this point, I would not be shocked to discover the Intelligence Community has been grooming, vetting and pushing candidates for a long time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (V6f9+)

223 This escalation of extermination rhetoric by the left is battle prep.
1st, it was just docs they had to seize from Trump
Then, the lie changed to "classified docs".
Then, the lie changed to "nuclear secrets."
This is the next lie, "Trump is just so dangerous, any government docs in his possession are a threat to America."

They have already gotten word of the magistrate ruling this afternoon: The warrent affidavit will stay sealed because Trump is such an extraordinary and extreme danger to America.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (Zf0+a)

224 Hell, look at this Michael Hayden tweet. He is putting the reputation and future effectiveness of both NSA and the CIA at risk, because of TDS. That is a very bold move. I used to work under Hayden, and he was known for keeping his mouth shut.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (5p7BC)

An awful lot of these guys come off the rails when they hit senior citizen status, I've noticed.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (ZSK0i)

225 So, civil rights protections are only for Officially Approved Creeds. Got it. And go fuck yourselves dead.

Posted by: Hairpin Turn Concrete Truck Collision Take Me Now at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (E+PK5)

226 Anyway, back. I cannot believe I got blood drawn and an EKG, start to finish, in a bit over an hour, including travel time to the hospital.

Yay small town decent size hospital!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (5pTK/)

227 *By the way, Trump ISN'T implicated at all in any of this.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (VpIIl)

228 I like 2001 - the most groundbreaking sci-fi film ever made when it came out - but watching it again lately, it is very slow paced, some would say tedious. Not only was it based on a novel, it feels like Kubrick is trying to accurately retell every single page of that novel.

a movie I rewatched this week was Love and Death (Woody Allen) When I first saw it many years ago, I just thought it was funny - now I can appreciate how he's doing a double parody of BOTH Tolstoy and Ingmar Bergman, together. It's really quite brilliant. As Allen dances away with Death in the last scene (twirling, with his hands over his head) I was pointing to my wife saying "remember the 7th Seal?"

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (trdmm)

229 This clown is a general? No wonder the US has not won a war in our lifetime

Posted by: Regular joe at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (nnp+f)

230 Hell, look at this Michael Hayden tweet. He is putting the reputation and future effectiveness of both NSA and the CIA at risk, because of TDS. That is a very bold move. I used to work under Hayden, and he was known for keeping his mouth shut.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:38 PM (5p7BC)

This is my read as well. They are fixated on Trump because they view him as a singular figure. He is the fly in their ointment that must be destroyed. They believe in the future that they can destroy or marginalize ANYONE as they have done in the past. Trump is the only one they tried the full playbook on who was NOT destroyed, ergo he is the only one who CAN do these things, in their heads.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (dNqv+)

231 192 oops I got the quote wrong. I misremembered it as "Your men died magnificently," but the actual adverb is "wonderfully."

Posted by: gp Dodging Fast Nuclei at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (qpX6U)

232 I believe there were WMD's in Iraq. I also believe the CIA helped Iraq develop Iraqi WMD's for their war against Iran. I also think the WMD's were hustled out of Iraq, prior to Gulf War II, because the CIA's fingerprints were all over those WMD's.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (5pTK/)

They were all moved to Syria.

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (j40lz)

233 Speaking of that, have you heard of Rapekreig? Supposedly, it's a white supremist group that wants to rape white women to grow the white race. At least according to the media.

Sounds like some dumb shit a neurotic leftist dreamed up, but apparently they arrested some guy.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

Sounds like something 4Chan brewed up to pwn leftists.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel ace is the best ace at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (Ri+XN)

234 Jessica Chastain is the face of the CIA.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (Vr12I)

235 216 This blonde in a black dress actively disrespects Michael Hayden and everyone like him:
https://is.gd/iuwxDN
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (WWh8n)

There's a THOT...and I'm liking it

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (V6f9+)

236 Which, you know, they did. Why on earth this has to be pointed out over and over here I cannot comprehend.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:19 PM (Ivdso)

From the establishment:
The Germans sold Sarin to Iraq to use on Iran in violation of a number of treaties (and bad taste)
The US signed off on it
Iraq also used it on the Kurds which was an oops

From the opposition:
The Iraq War was bad, and not everyone is on board with the concept that war is killing people and breaking things and might be best done in moderation, so there is a need to make it an invalid war.

Both sides want the past to be different because of what it means for what they want for the future.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (xhaym)

237 This is a micro-aggression against Mark.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (LvTSG)

#BaldIsBeautiful
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:36 PM (V6f9+)

Mark, please accept my micro-apologies. (Shamelessly stolen from Ace/Chuy.)

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (bhRsz)

238 The Future is always glorious, it is the past that is changeable.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (xhaym)

239
I remember when the WMD thing was going on, and I thought "these damn Democrats are nuts. It's not as if the entire intel apparatus of the US and UK would, as one, tell this same brazen lie to the world about their casus belli. It was certainly a mistake, not a conspiracy."

Good times. Man I was I ever a dumbfuck. In my defense, though, I was just a young guy in my early 20s at the time. I didn't stay that credulous.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (IXpV7)

240 216 This blonde in a black dress actively disrespects Michael Hayden and everyone like him:
https://is.gd/iuwxDN
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (WWh8n)

_______________________________

Heavily photoshopped. She's not even in that room.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2022 12:42 PM (iFTx/)

241 Mark, please accept my micro-apologies. (Shamelessly stolen from Ace/Chuy.)
Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (bhRsz)

lol

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:42 PM (V6f9+)

242 It's magnificent.

It also didn't use any footage from Wooden Crosses, which almost every American movie about WWI trench warfare did for decades.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
_____________________

Indeed. My only beef with it is the way it bought into the "lions led by donkeys" crap about aloof generals. Some of that occurred, sure. But it was just too much.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 18, 2022 12:42 PM (es0Dj)

243 And *anything* that is done to push back will be proof of the "danger within". That is the plan. That is what's happening.

*

Ding ding ding

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (9+Jmc)

244 If you don't have some of your eggs off in another basket or two before this all goes to shit, you will regret it.

Most of you live in an authoritarian state hostile to you, interspersed among people that want to kill you. Plan accordingly. Tick tock.

Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (HMWox)

245 Following on the heels of the CDC's near total cave on everything they'd previously said about the Coof, White House Coof czar Ashish Jha says social distancing was bullshit.

https://tinyurl.com/8nxk6tbv

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (sWM8x)

246 235 216 This blonde in a black dress actively disrespects Michael Hayden and everyone like him:
https://is.gd/iuwxDN
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (WWh8n)

There's a THOT...and I'm liking it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (V6f9+)

Dear Lord, those eyes and expression are CAF.

-1

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (dNqv+)

247 >>Factor in the hinkey drug running and murders tied to Billy in Arkansas and it looks even more plausible. At this point, I would not be shocked to discover the Intelligence Community has been grooming, vetting and pushing candidates for a long time.

I don't think there's any doubt.

And I also think this is why we are seeing such a concerted effort to go after Trump. They tried to take him out before and then after the election and failed and Trump has the goods. He is a threat to them.

As Chuck Schumer said, if you take on the intel community they have 6 ways from Sunday of getting back at you. There is no group more swampy or powerful in our permanent bureaucracy than the intel community.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (ZLI7S)

248 Speaking of that, have you heard of Rapekreig? Supposedly, it's a white supremist group that wants to rape white women to grow the white race. At least according to the media.

Sounds like some dumb shit a neurotic leftist dreamed up, but apparently they arrested some guy.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 12:37 PM (UuD2k)

Yeah, the one lame assshole who :
1)actually believed
and
2)actually wanted
this stupid fake shit and who believed the stupid fake website, they set up to snare greasy little dumbasses like this clown.

It's almost like the internet is a Severe Darwinian Jungle for Dumbassery.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (5NkmN)

249 224

An awful lot of these guys come off the rails when they hit senior citizen status, I've noticed.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (ZSK0i)

They have a lot of trouble dealing with looming irrelevance. And the Hell Hounds.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (Vr12I)

250 They found some leftover crap. Saddam had no active program. It was all a lie

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant: they FOUND WMDs IN IRAQ. Saying that this did not happen is an idiot lie that aligns you with such heroes as Ward Churchill and Michael Moore. Is that where you really want to be, just because you don't like George Bush now?

And that doesn't mention the gigantic caravan of semis heading to Syria the night before the announced attack deadline, the same Syria that suddenly somehow was using chemical weapons later when they had zero program to create them. Hmmm I wonder how that happened?

Oh, lets have more fun. Remember when we were all told absolutely that Iraq had no Yellowcake Uranium, useful only for refining for nuclear weapons? And then we found TONS OF IT?

Just because Bush is a globalist ahole doesn't somehow mean the Iraq war was everything the radical insane left says it was. Conservatism is increasingly being revealed to be "we agree with the left, but you know, later"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (Ivdso)

251 People tend to confuse three different events as "the Inquisition"

You had the Spanish Inquisition which was facing the reality that the Christians had finally defeated the muslim political entities in Spain but still had large number of Muslims left.

The Papal Inquisition which was all over the place - burning Huss but generally fairly lax

The witch hunters in the political fractured parts of Germany during the 30 years war where there was little effective government either secular or religious.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:44 PM (ESjRY)

252 We can't share a country with these people.

Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 18, 2022 12:44 PM (+r+VC)

253 Were there WMDs in Iraq? I don't care. I defended that lackwit frat boy cokehead Bush, and he decided to side with people who called him Hitler and wanted to see him tried for war crimes instead of defending his own. I will sign on to every calumny ever said about him, no matter how false. I'm not in the reputation-management business for disloyal scum.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 18, 2022 12:44 PM (ppBhU)

254 I can never get over not only the supreme self-righteousness and absence of self-awareness in these people, but also the lack of historical understanding of our own origins and how they are replicating the tyranny we fought to win our freedom.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 18, 2022 12:44 PM (H8QX8)

255 They were all moved to Syria.
Posted by: Roland THTG at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (j40lz)

Sure.

Posted by: WiNO at August 18, 2022 12:44 PM (WVeiZ)

256 This blonde in a black dress actively disrespects Michael Hayden and everyone like him

She looks... like a sculpture, like she's not quite real.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:44 PM (Ivdso)

257 Sterling Hayden said in an interview, "the FBI made it very clear to me that, if I became an 'unfriendly witness', I could damn well forget the custody of my children."
Sound familiar?
Hayden was in the OSS during the war and left the service as a captain with a Silver Star for his work with the partisan in the Balkans. He was briefly joined the Communist party due to his admiration gained from working and fighting with them against the Germans. I doubt he seriously consider Marx, Lenin or Stalin any kind of a hero.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2022 12:44 PM (anj39)

258 252 We can't share a country with these people.
Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 18, 2022 12:44 PM (+r+VC)

This. On the plus side, most of them only advocate it because they see it as trendy and it is safe for them to do so.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (dNqv+)

259 An awful lot of these guys come off the rails when they hit senior citizen status, I've noticed.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (ZSK0i)

Probably from the transfusions of children's blood they get at Davos. Makes 'em all loopy.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (bhRsz)

260 It's weird how the PATRIOT Act was just sitting there waiting, wasn't it?

Boy, good thing 9/11 wasn't stopped.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (9+Jmc)

261 I just remembered. I've met Hayden.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (5p7BC)

262 Don't worry, Republicans have a plan! Hearings, lot's of hearings!

Significantly cut the budget and restructure Executive Branch Agencies? That's not who we are.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (VpIIl)

263 Scary crazy. I find it hard to believe that they actually think those things. And scary that they they are at some of the highest levels of our government if they do.
Posted by: Javems at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (AmoqO)

John Brennan, former head of the CIA, literally voted for a Communist for POTUS, and was later accepted into the CIA in spite of that. That singularly disqualifying act didn't stop him from becoming Director of the agency. His rise took place during a Cold War with the USSR.

That's how crazy the highest levels of our government are. And have been.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (cWJgw)

264 Today's Daily Daddario will be played by Sydney Sweeney who has decided to pull out her puppies and play with them in public:

https://tinyurl.com/2t67mk8f

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (LvTSG)

265 except, you know, they beat him and everything.

Posted by: Chuy Libre at August 18, 2022 12:23 PM (B3oWe)

Yeah on the 20th try.

You think DeSantis is gonna fare better? Ok

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (xjshH)

266 Following on the heels of the CDC's near total cave on everything they'd previously said about the Coof, White House Coof czar Ashish Jha says social distancing was bullshit.

https://tinyurl.com/8nxk6tbv
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (sWM8x)
++++
COVID is over. The CDC was the last agency really trying to keep the dream alive, and they've capitulated.

I wonder what the next op will be.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (WWh8n)

267 I just remembered. I've met Hayden.
Posted by: Dave in Fla
___

Are you a former spook?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 12:46 PM (flOYI)

268 To be fair, their entire way of investigating their enemies is Holistic. The evidence is everywhere you look.

Posted by: David Prince at August 18, 2022 12:46 PM (L63yS)

269 "And yet, people want this man to be president again."

Fine, fuck it. Considering how he has broken every one of these pieces of shit, I'll say I disagree with her here. I don't want him to be president again.

I want him to be president forever.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2022 12:46 PM (KbCG3)

270 Truth is truth, regardless of who says it. Just because I don't like someone doesn't make the truth they said false somehow. This kind of mindless infantile team-cheering does not help anyone, anywhere.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:46 PM (Ivdso)

271 An awful lot of these guys come off the rails when they hit senior citizen status, I've noticed.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent

They're staring at a dirt nap and they feel like they haven't accomplished anything.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel ace is the best ace at August 18, 2022 12:46 PM (Ri+XN)

272 Does Hayden actually believe this shit or is it just Fake And Gay bullshit on Twitter so that the online left can see it, thereby extending his derp state bona fides so he can continue appearing on MSNBCNN?

Posted by: ballistic at August 18, 2022 12:46 PM (oXNqT)

273 266 COVID is over. The CDC was the last agency really trying to keep the dream alive, and they've capitulated.

I wonder what the next op will be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (WWh8n)

=========

Look out behind you! It's global warming!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:46 PM (LvTSG)

274 The military leadership in WWI on both sides did not learn the lessons they should have from the US civil war.

The "aloof general" meme is pushed to hard - but the military leadership of Europe failed just as much as the political leadership did.

Which brings up an interesting point - it was incompetent elites that brought down Europe as the center of power in the world. Looking at the people running things in the US it appears we are at the same point.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (ESjRY)

275 We can't share a country with these people.
Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 18, 2022

They're saying the same thing.

Posted by: I wonder how this ends at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (9FBGz)

276 Two Pennsylvania judges sent hundreds of kids to a for-profit detention center in a major kickback scheme. They've just been ordered to pay $200M to their victims.

-
Boy, I'm glad nothing like that could happen in America!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (FVME7)

277 Yeah, something really weird about that girl in the black dress picture.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (5p7BC)

278 274 Which brings up an interesting point - it was incompetent elites that brought down Europe as the center of power in the world. Looking at the people running things in the US it appears we are at the same point.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (ESjRY)

========

"No, it was nationalism."
-Every textbook

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

279 We can't share a country with these people.

--

Another thing I've said repeatedly. You cannot...can not...live in harmony side-by-side with Communists, Marxists, Socialists. They won't let you. You will either be subsumed, or you will be killed. It's their motto and they live by it.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (sVtYq)

280 Wow, just saw the news of Schumer paying off his young sidepiece for abortions almost 2 million dollars.

No wonder he loved RvW.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (8GBH4)

281 Conservatism is increasingly being revealed to be "we agree with the left, but you know, later"

*

The funny part is that describes Bush, Cheney, et al so well.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (9+Jmc)

282 Remember when:

"the current administration are "jack-booted government thugs," the National Rifle Association (NRA) charged in communications with its membership. Questioned by the press, the gun-rights group's Wayne LaPierre defended the heated words, saying "they are a pretty close description of what's happening in the real world.""

Waco: FBI tried to end the siege after 51 days by aggressively tear-gassing the Branch Davidian compound, set fires that killed more than 80 people, including 22 children.
C-SPAN Waco Investigation Day 1 Part 1 https://tinyurl.com/3k4m37ex

Ruby Ridge: During the standoff, an FBI sniper, attempting to hit the two men, instead shot and killed Weaver's wife as she held the couple's 10-month-old child.
C-SPAN Ruby Ridge Investigation Day 1 Part 1 https://tinyurl.com/ymynutad

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (MFZ8i)

283 She looks... like a sculpture, like she's not quite real.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:44 PM (Ivdso)

Yeah, there's a creepy plasticky look to a lot of the pics these thots put out.

OTOH, no tattoos ...

Posted by: spindrift at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (h5TKJ)

284 An awful lot of these guys come off the rails when they hit senior citizen status, I've noticed.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (ZSK0i)

That was the plot of the first Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie.

And migawd did people howl about how unjust that was.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (xhaym)

285 It's weird how the PATRIOT Act was just sitting there waiting, wasn't it?

It was mostly a rewrite and expansion of the RICO statutes, applied to terrorism. Which also are unconstitutional and sketchy as hell. Holding your boss responsible for the stuff you do is not just or logical.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (Ivdso)

286 279

Another thing I've said repeatedly. You cannot...can not...live in harmony side-by-side with Communists, Marxists, Socialists. They won't let you. You will either be subsumed, or you will be killed. It's their motto and they live by it.
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (sVtYq)

Ditto Muslims.

Posted by: kraken at August 18, 2022 12:48 PM (Vr12I)

287 Whether that's true or not is irrelevant: they FOUND WMDs IN IRAQ. Saying that this did not happen is an idiot lie that aligns you with such heroes as Ward Churchill and Michael Moore. Is that where you really want to be, just because you don't like George Bush now?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (Ivdso)

Show me the article where they found them. I don't want leftover shells buried somewhere. I don't want some component pieces somewhere. I want an article that laid out where all of the supplies, equipment, and resultant WMDs were. And if it took years to find them, yeah, sure.

Posted by: WiNO at August 18, 2022 12:48 PM (WVeiZ)

288 I wonder what the next op will be.

*

Read the content.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 12:48 PM (9+Jmc)

289 I like 2001 - the most groundbreaking sci-fi film ever made when it came out - but . . . it is very slow paced, some would say tedious. Not only was it based on a novel, it feels like Kubrick is trying to accurately retell every single page of that novel.

a movie I rewatched this week was Love and Death (Woody Allen) When I first saw it many years ago, I just thought it was funny - now I can appreciate how he's doing a double parody of BOTH Tolstoy and Ingmar Bergman, together. It's really quite brilliant. . . .
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 18, 2022

***
Maybe the "measured" pace of 2001 it is part of why I disliked it then. I'm okay with measured pacing -- The French Lieutenant's Woman is like that, but I was fascinated by it. I guess my younger self expected more action or tension or something from an SF story.

As for Allen, yes, he was a brilliant screenwriter. His final line in voiceover in Annie Hall ("I guess I need the eggs") is one to send you out of the theater going, "I wish I'd written that!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 12:49 PM (J2vNu)

290 Not logging passports means they were stolen.

Joe Stolen indeed.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 12:49 PM (3qoBw)

291 284 An awful lot of these guys come off the rails when they hit senior citizen status, I've noticed.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (ZSK0i)

That was the plot of the first Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie.

And migawd did people howl about how unjust that was.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (xhaym)

Hayden is 77 years old.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 18, 2022 12:49 PM (trdmm)

292 Are you a former spook?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming
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I worked at NSA. Didn't consider myself a spook though.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:49 PM (5p7BC)

293 The funny part is that describes Bush, Cheney, et al so well.

Indeed it does, mostly. I don't think Bush will ever support homosexual marriage, for example. But the rest seems awfully flexible.

Look at what has happened in the last two decades. Stuff the right used to fight hard against is now "eh, its okay". Obamacare, homosexual marriage, etc. Once its in place and becomes comfortable the right stops fighting against it.

Because for too many, conservatism is about keeping what is in the past, not conserving enduring principles of government and society.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:49 PM (Ivdso)

294 I wonder what the next op will be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (WWh8n)

This doctor says monkeypox.

https://tinyurl.com/y6v3zh5e

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 18, 2022 12:50 PM (H8QX8)

295 I want him to be president forever.

I'm not being sarcastic, or funny, when I say that if Trump came out in mirrored shades and epaulets on his jacket - I'd be game. We're at that point.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 12:50 PM (pMwL9)

296 289 I like 2001 - the most groundbreaking sci-fi film ever made when it came out - but . . . it is very slow paced, some would say tedious. Not only was it based on a novel, it feels like Kubrick is trying to accurately retell every single page of that novel.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 18, 2022

=========

Clarke was writing the novel while Kubrick was making the movie. They were working together concurrently.

Movies that try to capture everything from a novel are generally quickly paced, not slowly, trying to fit in every event and character.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:50 PM (LvTSG)

297 An awful lot of these guys come off the rails when they hit senior citizen status, I've noticed.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 12:40 PM (ZSK0i)

They also lose their filters and say what they really think. My guess is that was the case with Hayden. The former CIA director wants about half the country murdered. That seems to correspond with everything taking place.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 18, 2022 12:50 PM (nMx88)

298 As a mental exercise, imagine in 1913 a grand agreement between French, Britain and Germany that gives the later a bunch of, basically worthless, African colonies.

Could that alone have stopped WWI? Answer...yes.

And those colonies all had negative value...it was just a status symbol for the colonial powers.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:50 PM (ESjRY)

299
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:43 PM (Ivdso)

Yes. They found some yellowcake and (IIRC) 30,000 unused aluminum tubes that could be, theoretically, converted to rockets. They found an old perfume factory that had been used to disguise bottling of chemical weapons during the gassing of the Kurds years previous.

They found a bunch of penny-ante remnants and no active weapons program. It was a vastly overblown mountains-from-molehills exercise to provide a fig leaf for their war - which I don't even totally disagree with. That's life. Sometimes if you want to break some eggs, you have to a cook a bullshit omelette.

But let's not sit here pretending there was anything honest about this episode. It was a farce.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 18, 2022 12:50 PM (IXpV7)

300 Here's a fun game you can play at home!

Next time you are watching cable news count the number of former intel community members are now paid to spin the news. It seems like there are now as many spooks in the media as there are in the intel agencies.

I don't think this is a coincidence.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2022 12:50 PM (ZLI7S)

301
What an obsequious, sniveling little brown noser that Pfeiffer character is -- "It's 28%, not 50%, Master!".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 18, 2022 12:51 PM (pNxlR)

302 151 Best Kubrick movie is Paths of Glory, by far.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (p+g5G)

you're way off

Barry Lyndon

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2022 12:51 PM (us2H3)

303 >>>If Trump runs, DeSantis almost certainly won't. If Trump doesn't run, DeSantis almost certainly will. So why are we arguing about this?

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:31 PM (bhRsz)

Are you new?

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at August 18, 2022 12:51 PM (QYPq3)

304 I'm starting to laugh at the Warnock texts I get.

I just got one about him meeting with veterans.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:51 PM (5p7BC)

305 Of course that was on twitter, but the left has taught me to believe all things twitter!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 18, 2022 12:51 PM (8GBH4)

306 Whether that's true or not is irrelevant: they FOUND WMDs IN IRAQ. Saying that this did not happen is an idiot lie that aligns you with such heroes as Ward Churchill and Michael Moore.

I have no problem using such people as clubs, in much the same way as we frequently consorted with less than savory types to defeat the Soviet Union. I want to win against today's totalitarians, not be a 20th level Paladin.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 18, 2022 12:51 PM (ppBhU)

307 They never expected Trump to win in 2016.

Trump managed to mobilize the white working class politically.

They key to Democratic control is to suppress the white working class vote - nominating people who obviously hated the white working class, like McCain and Romney, worked nicely.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 18, 2022 12:35 PM (I2/tG)
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Sundance over at CTH makes this point repeatedly, e.g.: "Pompeo, DeSantis, Noem, Haley, Pence, Cheney et al. None of them carry the working-class coalition."

https://tinyurl.com/58art2c8

He also noted yesterday that DeSantis has won the coveted, severly-conservative David Frum endorsement ...

Posted by: ShainS -- VDH-Endorsed-by-Proxy Connoisseur of Cruelty at August 18, 2022 12:51 PM (WtAgB)

308 303 >>>If Trump runs, DeSantis almost certainly won't. If Trump doesn't run, DeSantis almost certainly will. So why are we arguing about this?

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:31 PM (bhRsz)

Are you new?
Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at August 18, 2022 12:51 PM (QYPq3)

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It's like he doesn't know the resolution to the crossbows vs longbow debate.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:52 PM (LvTSG)

309 Has one leading Republican politician stood up to defend Americans from this libel?

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 18, 2022 12:52 PM (H8QX8)

310
Hayden is 77 years old.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 18, 2022 12:49 PM (trdmm)

Previous chief of MIF was using his position, contacts and knowledge to run a scam that would have garnered him and his buds massive wealth and power.
In part because he was no longer manipulating the powerful in the state, him having pretty much nothing but his pension and investments and properties.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (xhaym)

311 Look out behind you! It's global warming!

Indeed, it is. Witness the enviro-nazi blitzkrieg happening right before our very eyes.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (Xrfse)

312
I'm not being sarcastic, or funny, when I say that if Trump came out in mirrored shades and epaulets on his jacket - I'd be game. We're at that point.

The point of good government is NOT to have elections. The point of good government is to protect the rights of the citizens of the country.

Republics tend to do this better then other government types, hence the reason the founders created one. But we don't have that anymore - we have a technocractic oligarchy with a veneer of democracy. And it is the single biggest threat to our freedoms.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (ESjRY)

313 The Dems are bigger idiots than the Republicans. The Inner Court thought they could pull the strings and wires with impunity behind a guy who can't even put his jacket on without help. This isn't working too well, and the result is a bizarre display of brazen bullshittery and inept damage control. The MSM is a laughing stock, and all these totalitarian clowns have left are denunciations, rhetorical (so far) knouts, show trial incarcerations, and the occasional flights of imagination devoted to civil war and the deaths of millions.

Posted by: mrp at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (6eRlp)

314 That Strangelove clip reminded me that when the movie was made, the idea that communist nations had any influence at all on our country was considered a sign of paranoid insanity.

Posted by: TB at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (Ur3df)

315 This doctor says monkeypox.

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Too many people are noticing that it's just gays. Folks aren't catching it from hotels, toilets, etc. Just from spreading feces on butts as lubricant for a penis.

And now awkward news is coming out that an infant and toddler with close contact to gay men have contracted it. Oh, and a dog. Mysteriously.

This story is dead in another month.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (9+Jmc)

316 I worked at NSA. Didn't consider myself a spook though.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:49 PM (5p7BC)

I grew up in Laurel, Maryland. NSA hired a lot of really smart people. A lot of flying squirrels too...

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (y7DUB)

317 They found a bunch of penny-ante remnants and no active weapons program.

It was more than that but saying "they found no WMD" or mocking the war over that is simply false. THEY FOUND WMD. Was it as many or as advanced as feared? No. BUT THEY WERE FOUND.

Its a bald-fased lie to say otherwise. And it keeps coming up here again and again. Why? Just because Bush is an ass doesn't somehow warp reality and turn truth into fiction. Not liking Bush does not mean somehow we must therefore repudiate every single thing he did and said.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (Ivdso)

318 Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:44 PM (ESjRY)

Spanish Inquisition, like other country inquisitions, was run by the Spanish Crown. Popes tried to unsuccessfully rescind some of that authority at times. The Spanish monarchy used it to control their nobility.

The office of the Inquisition from the Papacy is internally oriented, to keep priests from going off the reservation and coming up with new theology generally. This still exists but is pretty toothless.

Then there are localized inquests which are basically just local people doing their own thing, highly irregular and sporadic. Could be the bishop, the baron, or a mob of peasants demanding a judgement.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (KcSkz)

319 Another SAD statistic:

Luke Knox, Florida College Football Player and Brother of Buffalo Bills TE Dawson Knox, Dies Suddenly at the Age of 22

https://tinyurl.com/4pem55k8

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (/hCMk)

320 Because for too many, conservatism is about keeping what is in the past, not conserving enduring principles of government and society.

The egregious over-reaches of Government today become the Chesterton's Fences of tomorrow.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (pMwL9)

321 I'm starting to laugh at the Warnock texts I get.

I saw a commerical from him where he blamed Biden-flation on the evil shipping container conglomerates.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (ESjRY)

322
You know who is sulking over in his corner because his on-air consultancy cannot keep pace with the outlandishness of each new claim about non-leftists?

The little pants wetter who declared a couple of years back that August 8 was a dog whistle to "extremists" because 8/8 was their code for "H*** H*****!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (pNxlR)

323 If there is going to be a second American conflict, there is no doubt the Left will start it. They want a war, and they want conservatives to be killed and/or imprisoned.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (XSRBF)

324 I wonder what the next op will be.

Whatever it is, it will be designed to isolate and identify us. Adapt the Nuremburg Laws to Trump supporters and go from there.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (AW0uW)

325 I believe there were WMD's in Iraq. I also believe the CIA helped Iraq develop Iraqi WMD's for their war against Iran. I also think the WMD's were hustled out of Iraq, prior to Gulf War II, because the CIA's fingerprints were all over those WMD's.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM (5pTK/)

Don't know about the CIA so much, but as for the weapons...yup.
My chemical alarm went off twice.
And a captured Iraqi artillery officer said he had them.
On the upside, the weapons were junk...one step above garbage.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (anj39)

326 The world problems are a lot more manageable if you say they are all caused by only 28% of voters (REPUBLICANS). If only we could be rid of them . . .

This is how this shit starts. Hysterical conversion reactions because they can't handle the stress of a broken world that CAN NOT be fixed by mankind alone. Their OCD/Anxiety/Hysteria has only one solution. The final solution. Less people. And how do you decide which people need to be gotten rid of? Those that are objecting to my wishes. Which eventually leads to internecine blood letting when you run out of agreeable others.

Its the same routine. Every fcuking time. In their defense, its diabolical. They are aware, but are not fully aware of what they do. I pray for them. All these people who need help but really don't know it or know how to get it. Say a Rosary for these lunatics, that the scales are removed from their eyes and/or that they have an interior illumination that awakens them to their true need and source of hope.

If you want a easy way to do it. Little booklet pdf
Praying the Rosary without distractions:
https://anyflip.com/uhrco/ dtqi/ basic
Remove spaces.

Posted by: You wanna make a change? at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (O2LAr)

327 @245
>>Following on the heels of the CDC's near total cave on everything...

Well they could have simply reposted this...

This was a scam at every level of analysis.
There is no way of stopping the spread of a virus in a general population of 7.5 billion highly mobile, highly integrated and connected people.
Things were locked down, except that which wasn't.
Masks don't and can't do shit, disinfecting surfaces ain't doing shit either.
Virus spread, that's what they do, that's all they fucking do, it's what they are programmed to do.
This whole thing was devoid of any logic, reason or actual science.
Fauchi and Birx need to be fired out of a canon into the river for what their role in this bullshit.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 28, 2020 02:59 PM (lh1YW)

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (V9b2V)

328 I wonder what the next op will be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

We need to appoint someone who can predict what the next deadly pandemic will be.

“Let me show ya SOMETHIN!”

Posted by: Virus Marshall Bill Gates at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (Z9wrD)

329 Frum is one of the NT folks who are trying to start a "DeSantis is going to challenge Trump" narrative. These are the same people who were talking about DeSantis talking to mega-donors.

If it somehow can derail Trump, then they will do it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (5p7BC)

330 I believe there were WMD's in Iraq. I also believe the CIA helped Iraq develop Iraqi WMD's for their war against Iran. I also think the WMD's were hustled out of Iraq, prior to Gulf War II, because the CIA's fingerprints were all over those WMD's.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 12:39 PM

Pretty sure that we gave them some wmd stuff to use when Iran pushed the Iraqi Army back to the pre war borders and looked like they were going to keep going deep into Iraq.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (bVYXr)

331
Big Shipping Container is going down!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 18, 2022 12:55 PM (pNxlR)

332 That was the plot of the first Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie.

And migawd did people howl about how unjust that was.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022

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An early message from H'wood to the rest of us: "You can't have real heroes any more. They must all be 'flawed' or 'broken' in some way."

I didn't mind it at the time -- since I was not as big a fan of the IM Force's second leader anyway. If they had pulled that with Dan Briggs (Steven Hill's character from Season One), I'd have been more perturbed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 12:55 PM (J2vNu)

333 You do realize what the establishment is doing, right? Between trying to arrest Trump, demanding sheriffs hand over lists of people with CCP's, and making the IRS into the new Gestapo, it is obvious that they intend to visit genocide on us.

All to keep from being punished for their molestation of children.

Posted by: Ken at August 18, 2022 12:55 PM (nOMhL)

334 The egregious over-reaches of Government today become the Chesterton's Fences of tomorrow.

Exactly.

I run into far too many Christians who claim to be for liberty and small government, but really mean "I just want us to be in charge so we can use this all to impose our desires".

I just want some kind of ideological honesty and consistency. Either you believe in something and know it to be true, or you do not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:55 PM (Ivdso)

335
And now awkward news is coming out that an infant and toddler with close contact to gay men have contracted it. Oh, and a dog. Mysteriously.

If my owners were lesbians at least they would have given me some peanut butter.

Posted by: That poor dog at August 18, 2022 12:55 PM (ESjRY)

336 Which brings up an interesting point - it was incompetent elites that brought down Europe as the center of power in the world. Looking at the people running things in the US it appears we are at the same point.

Posted by: 18-1
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It isn't only us--the incompetence of leaders is world wide--Xi is incompetent, Putin, incompetent, the West, well Macron, Merkel, BoJo, incompetent.

The incompetence comes from trying to bridge the gap between a world focused elite (world is flat) which wants neo feudalism and what about 80 percent of each nation's populace wants--jobs, income enough to have a home and children, government that works for the betterment of the whole population, etc.

Prior to WWI, you see the same preoccupation but it was over who would be the world hegemon for the elites. To dominate Europe in their minds was to dominate the world.

Posted by: whig at August 18, 2022 12:55 PM (CXr4y)

337 That Strangelove clip reminded me that when the movie was made, the idea that communist nations had any influence at all on our country was considered a sign of paranoid insanity.
Posted by: TB at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (Ur3df)
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Nobody who thought that communist infiltration was a mad idea never worked for the US State Department.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:56 PM (WWh8n)

338 Could that alone have stopped WWI? Answer...yes.

And those colonies all had negative value...it was just a status symbol for the colonial powers.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:50 PM (ESjRY)

Eh....it wouldn't have stopped the Balkan crisis, and it wouldn't have stopped a three-way war between Germany, Austria, and Russia. *Maybe* it would have kept that conflict from spreading to Western Europe, but given the Franco-Russian alliance, I have strong doubts on that.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:56 PM (bhRsz)

339 151 Best Kubrick movie is Paths of Glory, by far.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (p+g5G)

you're way off

Barry Lyndon
Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2022 12:51 PM (us2H3)

I watched Barry Lyndon. It was the longest weekend of my life.

Posted by: mrp at August 18, 2022 12:56 PM (6eRlp)

340 The side that thinks that individuals won't pay a price for lies and slander has just called the other side nihilists.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2022 12:56 PM (44ww/)

341 The left's backed into a corner now. They will either steal or 'postpone' the election, or worse. They will not surrender.

Posted by: Eromero at August 18, 2022 12:56 PM (gktX6)

342 The military leadership in WWI on both sides did not learn the lessons they should have from the US civil war.

Posted by: 18-1
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That's debatable. They knew the power of the defensive, especially after the 1880s (smokeless powder, machine guns, quick firing artillery) had been magnified, but adopting open formations meant officers losing control of their men. It was a tough balance to strike in their minds.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 18, 2022 12:56 PM (es0Dj)

343
Wow, the government hates us. Whodathunkit?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 18, 2022 12:56 PM (eJn7u)

344 >>>THEY FOUND WMD. Was it as many or as advanced as feared? No. BUT THEY WERE FOUND.

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IIRC, the Poles found a cache of WMD in Iraq.

Posted by: 496 at August 18, 2022 12:56 PM (U1eOr)

345 The 9/11 Tribute Museum in New York City has closed its doors for good, citing COVID-related financial troubles stemming from fewer in-person visitors.

WZ

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 12:57 PM (/hCMk)

346 Frum is one of the NT folks who are trying to start a "DeSantis is going to challenge Trump" narrative. These are the same people who were talking about DeSantis talking to mega-donors.

If it somehow can derail Trump, then they will do it.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (5p7BC)

Frumpy is as Frumpy does

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 18, 2022 12:57 PM (M+Lyo)

347 "309 Has one leading Republican politician stood up to defend Americans from this libel?
Posted by: Ordinary American at August 18, 2022 12:52 PM (H8QX

"

Many if not most of them agree with Hayden. The only reason the cucky NeverTrump types ace referenced dissented is they know they don't have the juice to avoid Hayden's genocidal intentions.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 18, 2022 12:57 PM (nMx88)

348 I also believe the CIA helped Iraq develop Iraqi WMD's for their war against Iran. I also think the WMD's were hustled out of Iraq, prior to Gulf War II, because the CIA's fingerprints were all over those WMD's.

I would not at all be surprised if that ended up being true. Just like how our beloved intelligence agencies created the Taliban, to damage the USSR.

Its all a good lesson in why you don't abandon all restraint and ethics to fight an enemy. You have to have limits you will not cross or there's no point in even fighting against evil. If you're willing to be everything your opponent is and does, what makes you any different??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:57 PM (Ivdso)

349 >>>Big Shipping Container is going down!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 18, 2022 12:55 PM (pNxlR)

Never should have doubted me.

Posted by: Small Shipping Container at August 18, 2022 12:57 PM (QYPq3)

350 I was wondering what Pres. Trump meant by cooling down the temperature, was it about the response to the fishing raid on his home? Instead it looks like he was referencing all this kind of garbage being thrown around by the left. Maybe he should point out all these examples and put it at Biden's feet.

The media would have to cover it. But then they would say, "Trump riling up his base by saying, without evidence*, the left is coming after them."

*all evidence to be conveniently ignored by corporate media

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2022 12:57 PM (fs1hN)

351 There was a commission investigating massive Agency failures preceding 9/11.

Posted by: runner at August 18, 2022 12:57 PM (TBJqQ)

352 COVID is over. The CDC was the last agency really trying to keep the dream alive, and they've capitulated.

I wonder what the next op will be.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:45 PM (WWh8n)

CDC may say it is over and want people to move on from it. But I won't. And I'm a long ways from forgiving them for it too.

We should never EVER let them forget what they did to us - to our families, our kids, our churches, jobs, nursing homes, etc.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (N39Ws)

353 Another SAD statistic:

Luke Knox, Florida College Football Player and Brother of Buffalo Bills TE Dawson Knox, Dies Suddenly at the Age of 22

https://tinyurl.com/4pem55k8
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 12:54 PM (/hCMk)

Health officials vowed they would never know the reason for his death.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (bhRsz)

354 Perspective on Iraq wmd: Saddam and some leadership clearly thought they had them, or wanted their people to think they did. NBC ppe was distributed prior to the defense of Baghdad.

I think western intel took advantage of some generals bullshitting Saddam on chem weapons. Nukes was already toast, they had an accident and irradiated the facilities and had to abandon them.

I also think some of the convoys to Syria in Jan 2003 were likely clearing out old stock... enough was left that a handful of US troops got chem exposure from IEDs that some goatfuckers made from old-stock chem shells.

Posted by: somedood at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (HMWox)

355 If there is going to be a second American conflict, there is no doubt the Left will start it. They want a war, and they want conservatives to be killed and/or imprisoned.
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Well, there's a financial incentive as well. They get to confiscate the wealth/property of the "unpersoned". CF the Nazi's to the jewish citizens. It's not like they won't rationalize it. "They didn't build that by themselves". "We all belong to the government."

Posted by: Its not unprecedented at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (89ZJV)

356 But let's not sit here pretending there was anything honest about this episode. It was a farce.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 18, 2022 12:50 PM (IXpV7)

You mean Bush Cheney and Powell lied to me???

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (xjshH)

357 I consider Gulf War II to be justified. However, being young and ignorant, politically speaking, I didn't stop to consider GW would be stupid enough to hand over the outcome of that war to the left. And we all know how Iraq and Afghanistan turned out, in the end.

Glen Beck was actually right about this, when he said, paraphrasing, "When one goes to war, one turns everything to rubble, then, makes the rubble bounce, and after that, our soldiers come home."

And I agree with that sentiment. None of this nation building crap. Wage war violently, kill them all, rinse, repeat, until unfriendly nations understand messing with the US is a bad idea. Nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (5pTK/)

358 296 289 I like 2001 - the most groundbreaking sci-fi film ever made when it came out - but . . . it is very slow paced, some would say tedious. Not only was it based on a novel, it feels like Kubrick is trying to accurately retell every single page of that novel.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 18, 2022
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Clarke was writing the novel while Kubrick was making the movie. They were working together concurrently.

Movies that try to capture everything from a novel are generally quickly paced, not slowly, trying to fit in every event and character.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 12:50 PM
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2001 Pan Am space stewardess scene: youtube.com/watch?v=0iiXUeil5fQ

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (MFZ8i)

359 Then there are localized inquests which are basically just local people doing their own thing, highly irregular and sporadic. Could be the bishop, the baron, or a mob of peasants demanding a judgement.
Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 12:53 PM (KcSkz)

no one expects...

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (trdmm)

360 Most news is brought to you by Pfizer so I don't ever think they are going to investigate vaccine related deaths. This is really a tragedy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (8GBH4)

361 The NYC 911 Museum is shutting it's doors because Covid killed its visitors revenue.

Maybe the FBI, CIA, and NSA and their employees can step in and fund it?

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (3qoBw)

362 Regardless of if Trump runs, and he is going to run, I don't think DeSantis will run this cycle.

I think his plans are more strategic and far ranging.

Let Donald continue being the lead blocker, DeSantis will draft in his wake and make his move at the appropriate time.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (V9b2V)

363 They truly want to fight a war against half the country.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

No, they want complete and absolute power to do whatever they want whenever they want. There is a chance that 3 to 5 percent of the people would violently oppose that. Mostly old and white people who will mostly be easily dispatched.
Once that is finished and the rest of the country cowed into submission, they win.

They've never considered going to war with half the country.

Posted by: Buddy at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (MFphb)

364 Speaking of masks coming off, Sam Harris sat for an interview with Triggernometry and boy did he let the mask slip.

Among other things, he said the Trump University car crash is worse than anything in the Biden laptop. He also essentially said anything the left has done to make sure Trump isn't in office again is warranted.

https://bit.ly/3wageML

For those who don't know who this mook is, he's a UCLA PhD in neuroscience, and a very prominent and influential atheism evangelist on the scale of Dawkins and Hitchens. His most well known book is The End of Faith.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (eyxn4)

365 All is fair in love, war, and NeverTrump.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (FVME7)

366
Eh....it wouldn't have stopped the Balkan crisis, and it wouldn't have stopped a three-way war between Germany, Austria, and Russia

Germany felt it had to join the war because the Russian-French alliance was only going to get stronger if they beat Austria in a war.

If Germany and France are not mortal enemies in 1914 that is less likely to be true.

It was also incompetence on Germany's part that allowed Russia to enter into an alliance with France to begin with.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (ESjRY)

367 I'm not being sarcastic, or funny, when I say that if Trump came out in mirrored shades and epaulets on his jacket - I'd be game. We're at that point.

In all seriousness, we are at a point now where more than half the country sees the Constitution and Bill of Rights as active impediments at best or racist strictures, at worst. The right gives lip service to both, but at times is quite willing to ignore or bypass both in order to achieve some nebulous short-term game.

I don't know if an authoritarian strong man can arise out of the ashes of our dead Republic, since we are still on cruise control as far as food and entertainment is concerned. But if Trump or someone like him decided to seize power and literally decimate the Democrat party and its apparatus, I would be among the first to cheer him on.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (AW0uW)

368 In WW1 its not like people weren't thinking about breaking the stalemate. We got poison gas, flame throwers, fighter aircraft, and tanks as fruit of that thought.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (eJn7u)

369 Perspective on Iraq wmd: Saddam and some leadership clearly thought they had them, or wanted their people to think they did. NBC ppe was distributed prior to the defense of Baghdad.
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Yeah, I was there.

Nothing like sweating your ass off donning MOPP 4 in 120+ degree heat for lies.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:00 PM (/hCMk)

370 I run into far too many Christians who claim to be for liberty and small government, but really mean "I just want us to be in charge so we can use this all to impose our desires".

That's not been my experience, at all.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 18, 2022 01:00 PM (Xrfse)

371 51 Best Kubrick movie is Paths of Glory, by far.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 18, 2022 12:29 PM (p+g5G)

With Kirk Douglas, right? I have that in queue but never seem to get around to watching it. I'll have to change that.

Yes, great film but also one with no subtlety to it, you almost know the ending just from the source material.

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2022 01:00 PM (8erNz)

372 Glen Beck was actually right about this, when he said, paraphrasing, "When one goes to war, one turns everything to rubble, then, makes the rubble bounce, and after that, our soldiers come home."

That's the way it has to be now. Even if its better to stay and rebuild and guide the new nation along better paths, its just not feasible to attempt that in the modern US. Especially if you won't punish traitors for undermining and attacking the war effort at home.

The people of the USA have a short attention span and simply won't put up with long term projects, so it has to be the way Beck described it, or not at all.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:00 PM (Ivdso)

373 Nihilism:
Believing in something more than yourself that doesn't include government bureaucrats.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

F-
See the instructor after class.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2022 01:00 PM (IEa8U)

374 For those morons who don't know Pfizer has been sued and lost billions to the government for fraud.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 01:00 PM (3qoBw)

375 The Dems want something, that's for sure. They want an EVENT, because Reality isn't working for them.

Posted by: mrp at August 18, 2022 01:00 PM (6eRlp)

376 Are you a former spook?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming
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I worked at NSA. Didn't consider myself a spook though.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:49 PM (5p7BC)
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When I was at Huachuca, I spent a lot of time at NSA working with their training side. Good folks with a tough mission. How do you train some kid out of college, who has never been in the military, how to understand something about a foreign military?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2022 01:00 PM (anj39)

377 A gun? Hell, Asha Rangappa should never have been given *citizenship*

Posted by: Deceased Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at August 18, 2022 01:01 PM (T5wgp)

378 If we were a serious country after 9/11 the heads of the NSA, CIA, and FBI would have all individually taken a tumbler of brandy and a revolver up to their rooms and not come back down.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:01 PM (ESjRY)

379 There were WMD in Iraq, they were moved out of Iraq by Russia into Syria.

WMD was only the excuse to go to war with Iraq.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 01:01 PM (V9b2V)

380 CDC may say it is over and want people to move on from it. But I won't. And I'm a long ways from forgiving them for it too.

We should never EVER let them forget what they did to us - to our families, our kids, our churches, jobs, nursing homes, etc.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (N39Ws)
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Those are two different things. I won't forget and I won't forgive them, either. But the op is now over, which means another op is coming.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 01:01 PM (WWh8n)

381 The US and UN had been decommissioning and disposing of chemical weapons in Iraq since the 1st Gulf War and was still doing so up to the 2nd. There were WMDs, mostly chemical, leaking and in very poor shape. It was more of a cleanup operation than disarmament.

There just wasn't any smoking gun to fit the narrative they had constructed to justify the 2nd invasion.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 01:01 PM (UuD2k)

382 Barry Lyndon
Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2022 12:51 PM (us2H3)
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I watched Barry Lyndon. It was the longest weekend of my life.
Posted by: mrp at August 18, 2022

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No love for Eyes Wide Shut? I rented it (this was a few years ago, heh) to watch Nicole. She isn't in it much, but I didn't really miss her. The entire film was creepy, as if you're being shown a doorway leading to an alternate universe. I think the cut I saw was censored; the scenes of Cruise moving among the masked "club" members were just disturbing, not revolting, as I've heard is true of the uncut version? Anyway, it surprised me that I liked it.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 01:02 PM (J2vNu)

383 I run into far too many Christians who claim to be for liberty and small government, but really mean "I just want us to be in charge so we can use this all to impose our desires".

I kept saying, to any Republican I worked with after 9/11 - "Folks, you're not always going to be in control of this Patriot Act business. Think this over very carefully". Didn't matter. They all clapped in unison like trained seals, all while chanting "But, 9/11" like that damn Family Guy episode.

In retrospect, that was when I gave up being a Republican. I threw one more vote in for Bush, only because the DNC put up John Freaking Kerry. If it would have been Edwards ? I would have voted Edwards. At least I didn't vote McCain.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:02 PM (pMwL9)

384 The Future is always glorious, it is the past that is changeable.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 12:41 PM (xhaym)

Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 01:02 PM (Q+K8B)

385 Speaking of branding, the word News is similar. Historically The News could be considered facts. Now, The News is manipulative rumor, AKA Propaganda AKA Fake News. That branding has to be squashed.

Posted by: Hairpin Turn Concrete Truck Collision Take Me Now at August 18, 2022 01:02 PM (E+PK5)

386 I'm not pro war. I'm pro obliteration of the enemy. There's apparently a difference.

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2022 01:02 PM (xjshH)

387 #371
Yeah they shot the poor dumb bastard.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 01:02 PM (3qoBw)

388 "Asha Rangappa"

Indian, of course (parents in this case) and impeccable Ivy league/leftist credentials. So many of these prog lawyers are.

They seem want to recreate their caste system here, with them at the top and us at the bottom.

Posted by: Ripley at August 18, 2022 01:03 PM (MxEKc)

389 Trump is the only president in my lifetime (other than Reagan) who I sensed loved America and had real, personal affection for the American people.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 18, 2022 01:03 PM (H8QX8)

390 What's an Asha Rangappa?

Posted by: wth at August 18, 2022 01:03 PM (v0R5T)

391 I run into far too many Christians who claim to be for liberty and small government, but really mean "I just want us to be in charge so we can use this all to impose our desires".

Also known as Representative Government. Why shouldn't I try to actualize my policy preferences?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 01:03 PM (Q+K8B)

392 For those who don't know who this mook is, he's a UCLA PhD in neuroscience, and a very prominent and influential atheism evangelist on the scale of Dawkins and Hitchens. His most well known book is The End of Faith.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (eyxn4)

well that's enough for me to know he's my dedicated enemy for life, I will regard him in the same way as I would have regarded any decorated member of the SS.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 18, 2022 01:03 PM (trdmm)

393 Glen Beck was actually right about this, when he said, paraphrasing, "When one goes to war, one turns everything to rubble, then, makes the rubble bounce, and after that, our soldiers come home."

I remember during the Battle of Fallujah when we had grunts running into an enemy fortified city to root them out. Yes, the actual strategy was innovative but...did we run out of bombs and artillery shells?

There was zero reason to risk the life of one grunt.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:03 PM (ESjRY)

394 Full Metal Jacket is my favorite, kind of like 2 movies in 1

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (M+Lyo)

395 370 I run into far too many Christians who claim to be for liberty and small government, but really mean "I just want us to be in charge so we can use this all to impose our desires".

That's not been my experience, at all.

Posted by: Notorious BFD
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They are found in places where CINOs hang out. The mega churches, the hoity sects, the home office administrators, and so on. Basically a lot of mediocre thinkers and doers that believe commoners are stupid, easily duped, and far too emotional to be given any credence. Like David French, their Christianity is for show but their real talent is climbing organizational ladders by whatever means works and moral flexibility is certainly valuable for that.

Posted by: whig at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (CXr4y)

396 I don't know much about Michael Hayden but he is either deeply in the throes of dementia or evil, perhaps both.

Posted by: NLurker at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (eGTCV)

397 "According to reports, Richard Dujardin, who is hard of hearing, was on his iPad as he was crossing the bridge."

77-Year-Old Man Plunges 70 Feet to His Death After Milwaukee Drawbridge Opened

https://tinyurl.com/3trsxevm

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (/hCMk)

398 382 No love for Eyes Wide Shut? I rented it (this was a few years ago, heh) to watch Nicole. She isn't in it much, but I didn't really miss her. The entire film was creepy, as if you're being shown a doorway leading to an alternate universe. I think the cut I saw was censored; the scenes of Cruise moving among the masked "club" members were just disturbing, not revolting, as I've heard is true of the uncut version? Anyway, it surprised me that I liked it.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 01:02 PM (J2vNu)

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It's a dream, mining Cruise's characters deepest desires, progressively getting more and more depraved, all while he never gets off.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (LvTSG)

399 If Germany and France are not mortal enemies in 1914 that is less likely to be true.

It was also incompetence on Germany's part that allowed Russia to enter into an alliance with France to begin with.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (ESjRY)

True, but that alliance had been in place a good two decades before 1914, so a colonial settlement wasn't necessarily going to undo it. Also, you have to keep in mind Alsace-Lorraine, and how pissed the French were about losing it. So pissed their only war plan vis-a-vis Germany was "charge headlong into Alsace-Lorraine, despite the terrain being shit for offensive operations, and also that's exactly what Germany expects us to do."

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (bhRsz)

400 292 Are you a former spook?
Posted by: SMH at what's coming
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I worked at NSA. Didn't consider myself a spook though.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 12:49 PM (5p7BC)

Dave...David...is that you, it's been ages since we snooped together!?!?!

Posted by: Your Old Pal Bob from the NSA at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (BgMrQ)

401 Let Donald continue being the lead blocker, DeSantis will draft in his wake and make his move at the appropriate time.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (V9b2V)

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We need Kyle Rittenhouse in Trump's cabinet.

Posted by: 496 at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (U1eOr)

402 The GOPe and the commiecrats have the same goal in mind. A one world government of elites, they are both collectivists. What is the difference between a GOPe and a commiecrat? There is none, they are all totalitarian, it is like arguing over the difference between being shot in the back of the head with an AK47 or a 9mm Luger, either way your brains get splattered and you fall into the mass grave.

Posted by: SquidbillyCPO at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (JdnFk)

403 368 In WW1 its not like people weren't thinking about breaking the stalemate. We got poison gas, flame throwers, fighter aircraft, and tanks as fruit of that thought.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

As well as some innovations in combined arms tactics too soon forgotten by those in the West.

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2022 01:05 PM (8erNz)

404 In WW1 its not like people weren't thinking about breaking the stalemate. We got poison gas, flame throwers, fighter aircraft, and tanks as fruit of that thought.
Posted by: Xipe Totec
_______________________

The Germans developed the combined arms/infiltration tactics employed in the Spring 1918 offensive that pretty much everyone copied thereafter.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 18, 2022 01:05 PM (es0Dj)

405 . But if Trump or someone like him decided to seize power and literally decimate the Democrat party and its apparatus, I would be among the first to cheer him on.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 18, 2022

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We need to destroy a lot more than 10%. More like 90+%. And the remaining few need to be kept from even attempting to seize any kind of power again.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 01:05 PM (J2vNu)

406 When I was at Huachuca, I spent a lot of time at NSA working with their training side. Good folks with a tough mission. How do you train some kid out of college, who has never been in the military, how to understand something about a foreign military?
Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2022 01:00 PM (anj39)

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 18, 2022 01:05 PM (y7DUB)

407
I remember during the Battle of Fallujah when we had grunts running into an enemy fortified city to root them out. Yes, the actual strategy was innovative but...did we run out of bombs and artillery shells?
___

They weren't grunts.

They were marines.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:05 PM (/hCMk)

408 The more we ignore this bullshit and the calmer we stay the more the Leftie scum lose what passes for their minds.

Posted by: Robert W Smith (TrappedinDC) at August 18, 2022 01:05 PM (rguyU)

409 NeverTrumpers don't seem to understand that the supply of unhinged whining greatly exceeds the demand.

Posted by: Splunge at August 18, 2022 01:05 PM (cm/80)

410 Also known as Representative Government. Why shouldn't I try to actualize my policy preferences?

That's fine... within constitutional limits. But if you oppose the abuse of power and excesses of government scope in enemies but want to use them when you're in power... you aren't for small government. You just are angry you aren't in charge of the reins of power.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:06 PM (Ivdso)

411 The funny thing of course is the total contradiction. No one fears "nihilists" as a political movement. Because *actual* nihilists are to preoccupied with hookers and blow, or whatever else makes them specifically happy to actually care about a "political movement"

People who do political movements believe in *something* bigger than themselves and their immediate happiness.

Posted by: mikethemoose at August 18, 2022 01:06 PM (T/vhV)

412 208
Yes. Indeed. Dax's success such as it is depends on this guy.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 18, 2022 01:06 PM (yvHe0)

413 397 "According to reports, Richard Dujardin, who is hard of hearing, was on his iPad as he was crossing the bridge."

77-Year-Old Man Plunges 70 Feet to His Death After Milwaukee Drawbridge Opened

https://tinyurl.com/3trsxevm
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (/hCMk)

There's a Liz Cheney metaphor in there somewhere.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 18, 2022 01:06 PM (trdmm)

414 2001 was fine if you were stoned and saw it in a theater

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 18, 2022 01:06 PM (5HBd1)

415 Those are two different things. I won't forget and I won't forgive them, either. But the op is now over, which means another op is coming.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 01:01 PM (WWh8n

Agreed. With all of the recent revelations that the "conspiracy theorists and canceled" people shouted turning out to be true -- would love to see how they convince people to isolate, shut down, etc. No doubt 60+ pct of the country will go along like sheep, but the rest??

This will get sporty.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 18, 2022 01:06 PM (N39Ws)

416 I get Iraq War 2, I'm not sure I can go along with the thinking today but at the time...we'd been attacked like we haven't been attacked since Pearl Harbor. However the enemy wasn't a nation state, which we are geared to fighting.

But the American people did expect us to bash someone's fucking face in over the attacks. So we go into Afganistan and sorta...win. Too quickly and easily, we have no plan, zero, what to do afterwards.

So we start looking at the 'Axis of Evil', at the time that's Iran, Iraq and North Korea. North Korea has nukes and war there will kill a LOT of South Koreans. So no. Iran has a huge population, we have no allies near it and they have a fairly unified culture and power structure. Too bloody and complicted.

Iraq though...we'd already beaten them once, we had troops and lots of air power already staged, they had enemies nearby, Kuwait and the Saudis...yeah, we could take Iraq. But again...no fucking clue what to do after we won.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:06 PM (V6f9+)

417
And, full disclosure - if they wanted that war bad enough to prevaricate about it, well, fine. Sometimes that's a needful thing. But they didn't want to win, and never behaved for a moment as if they did. Even in Afghanistan, where we did have a proper casus belli, they never pursued a victory.

They just wanted a war. Any war. Chum for the rubes, money for the donors. There was no actual purpose for doing this.

Just another scam. And a really ugly, really bad one.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 18, 2022 01:07 PM (IXpV7)

418 No love for Eyes Wide Shut?

Two interesting things from that movie;

1) The fabulous mansion they have the parties in? That was owned by one of Epstein's kid wranglers.

2) The fake news story about the death in the movie? It was written be a "real" reporter. Who was also the first person to report on Epstein's death.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:07 PM (ESjRY)

419 What's an Asha Rangappa?
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2022

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It's a kind of Greek wine. Nobody but native Greeks likes it. Tastes too much like burned cigarettes.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 01:07 PM (J2vNu)

420 For those who don't know who this mook is, he's a UCLA PhD in neuroscience, and a very prominent and influential atheism evangelist on the scale of Dawkins and Hitchens. His most well known book is The End of Faith.
Posted by: bonhomme

His PhD is dodgy af. He has no citations to speak of. He's not a fraction of the scientist he claims to be.

Sam Harris is nothing more than a guru-wannabe to over-educated midwits.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at August 18, 2022 01:07 PM (g1EEm)

421 FMJ and Paths of Glory are in .y top 10 war movies
Never seen Eyes wide shut

Posted by: Skip's phone at August 18, 2022 01:07 PM (lr0Lr)

422 Poo Tin has been sword rattling up in the Baltics.

SEND MONEY

Posted by: the Baltics at August 18, 2022 01:08 PM (v0R5T)

423 Feds Intend To Deprive Arizona Of 21% Of It’s Supply Of The Colorado River…

The Arizona Department of Water Resources (ADWR) and Central Arizona Project (CAP) released a joint statement addressing the recent news from the Bureau of Reclamation (BOR) that the state’s water supply from the Colorado River System will be reduced by one-fifth in 2023.

https://tinyurl.com/4hjers7v

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:08 PM (/hCMk)

424 Also known as Representative Government. Why shouldn't I try to actualize my policy preferences?

Short of a government collapse or civil war followed by rebuilding, there's not going to be a limited government here. So, damn straight, I want my policy preferences enacted by Leviathan. The government is going to reflect someone's values, it should be mine, rather than the values of people like Hayden, who apparently yearn for a final solution to the conservative problem. People who yammer on about first principles in an environment like this one are a danger to themselves and others.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 18, 2022 01:08 PM (ppBhU)

425 423 Feds Intend To Deprive Arizona Of 21% Of It’s Supply Of The Colorado River…

The Arizona Department of Water Resources (ADWR) and Central Arizona Project (CAP) released a joint statement addressing the recent news from the Bureau of Reclamation (BOR) that the state’s water supply from the Colorado River System will be reduced by one-fifth in 2023.

https://tinyurl.com/4hjers7v
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:08 PM (/hCMk)

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"I am against this!"
-Mark Kelly, voting for it somehow

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 01:08 PM (LvTSG)

426 The more we ignore this bullshit and the calmer we stay the more the Leftie scum lose what passes for their minds.
Posted by: Robert W Smith (TrappedinDC) at August 18, 2022 01:05 PM (rguyU)
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"Above the fray" is not an option, any more. The left interprets ignoring them as weakness and pushes back even harder.

I say this as someone who was formerly all about the "above the fray" attitude.

Mocking and derision is the current weapon of choice.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:08 PM (5pTK/)

427 For those who don't know who this mook is, he's a UCLA PhD in neuroscience, and a very prominent and influential atheism evangelist on the scale of Dawkins and Hitchens.

I thought about posting that about him but then realized I don't even know who the heck he is, so who cares what he thinks? Random Jobu on the internet says crazy thing might be clickbait but its ultimately meaningless.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:08 PM (Ivdso)

428 Army, Navy and Marines were all involved in the Second Battle of Fallujah. + Brits and Iraqi Army.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:09 PM (V6f9+)

429 That's fine... within constitutional limits. But if you oppose the abuse of power and excesses of government scope in enemies but want to use them when you're in power... you aren't for small government. You just are angry you aren't in charge of the reins of power.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:06 PM (Ivdso)

The problem with this mindset is that it is a form of pacifism. Refusing to ever bludgeon your enemy means that they are always free to bludgeon you without consequence. It is the fear of repercussion that would lead to potential restraint on both sides. You have to be willing to return fire to persuade the other side that maybe the state shouldn't have these powers.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:09 PM (KcSkz)

430 Because for too many, conservatism is about keeping what is in the past, not conserving enduring principles of government and society.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:49 PM (Ivdso)

Yes!
This is why I'm a constitutionalist, not a conservative.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 18, 2022 01:09 PM (53oGX)

431 FMJ and Paths of Glory are in .y top 10 war movies
Never seen Eyes wide shut
Posted by: Skip's phone at August 18, 2022

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Nicole is barefoot in at least one scene, so the film is a success!

Posted by: Heel & Arch Fanciers, Inc. at August 18, 2022 01:09 PM (J2vNu)

432 ++++
Nobody who thought that communist infiltration was a mad idea never worked for the US State Department.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 12:56 PM (WWh8n)

Wut?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 01:09 PM (07iSR)

433 During Trump, we often said, "It's not him they're after, he's just in the way."

Well, it's time to start telling the Deep State: "Trump is not protecting us from you, he's protecting you from us."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 18, 2022 01:09 PM (Zf0+a)

434 Also known as Representative Government. Why shouldn't I try to actualize my policy preferences?

Any government big enough to enforce your preferences on them ? Also big enough to enforce their preferences on you.

Right now, there's a Leftist somewhere saying "This is just Representative Government. Why shouldn't I actualize my policy preferences on Grump ?"

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:10 PM (pMwL9)

435 But again...no fucking clue what to do after we won.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:06 PM (V6f9+)

That's because there is no point in sending a military into a foreign land unless you intend to conquer it. Regime change is a dumb late 20th century invention. If you don't want to go in, kill all your enemies, and they take the spoils. Then don't go to war.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 01:10 PM (UuD2k)

436 Will Trump's lawyers ask the court to be able to treat the court as an hostile court?

Callow not Gallo

Posted by: micky at August 18, 2022 01:10 PM (3byMq)

437 > well that's enough for me to know he's my dedicated enemy for life, I will regard him in the same way as I would have regarded any decorated member of the SS.

What's really hilarious, in an ironic sort of way, is that his whole schtick is "moral atheism." That Triggernometry interview dropped a nuclear bomb on his own argument. He dropped all of his gilded moralism for a simple ends justify the means Consequentialism ethos.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 01:10 PM (eyxn4)

438 The problem with this mindset is that it is a form of pacifism. Refusing to ever bludgeon your enemy means that they are always free to bludgeon you without consequence

The way to handle that is to nail them for violating the law of the land, not just doing the same wrong things they did but "our way".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:10 PM (Ivdso)

439 At least the Cheneys and others got rich.

That's important, right?

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:11 PM (/hCMk)

440 We must take half the land , our choices, and they must NEVER be allowed to cross our borders

So it has been said, so it shall be done

Only way, only way

Posted by: Gonzotx at August 18, 2022 01:11 PM (t4poC)

441 Lots of Marxists talking like they know a indictment is coming for DJT

My prediction is a week before November election

Posted by: Skip's phone at August 18, 2022 01:11 PM (lr0Lr)

442 The Arizona Department of Water Resources (ADWR) and Central Arizona Project (CAP) released a joint statement addressing the recent news from the Bureau of Reclamation (BOR) that the state’s water supply from the Colorado River System will be reduced by one-fifth in 2023.

https://tinyurl.com/4hjers7v
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:08 PM (/hCMk)
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Arizona State response should be...Step One: In 2023 begin reducing the Federal footprint in Arizona by 1/5th.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2022 01:11 PM (anj39)

443 "I remember during the Battle of Fallujah when we had grunts running into an enemy fortified city to root them out. Yes, the actual strategy was innovative but...did we run out of bombs and artillery shells? "

Good grief. Do you know a single thing about fighting battles?

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2022 01:11 PM (S1S3K)

444 Wut?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at August 18, 2022 01:09 PM (07iSR)
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"ever," not "never."

Damned typos.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (WWh8n)

445 *wanders in* article has video of Finland's hot Prime Ministress dancing *wanders out*

https://tinyurl.com/ycxhmdvt

Stupid job (which is going well and I enjoy) keeping me from playing with the Horde.

Posted by: alexthechick at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (4bbGl)

446
Good grief. Do you know a single thing about fighting battles?

Yes - do you know anything about the value of American lives?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (ESjRY)

447 @CBS_Herridge

Former President Trump now sharing on his social media platform this declassification memorandum "materials related to FBI's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation."

Posted by: JackStraw at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (ZLI7S)

448 Government killed Jesus when He became an irritant. You think they won't take you out?

Posted by: Wally at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (EkHsf)

449 He dropped all of his gilded moralism for a simple ends justify the means Consequentialism ethos.

Yeah but that's all there ever is left if you reject absolute objective ethics and absolute, objective truth. All that is left is "I have the strength to impose what I want on you." Those are the only choices.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (Ivdso)

450 It's a dream, mining Cruise's characters deepest desires, progressively getting more and more depraved, all while he never gets off.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022

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I don't recall Cruise's character ever *participating* in the depraved stuff, just being exposed to it during his long night's journey into day and being badly shaken. Did the version I saw cut more stuff than just Nicole's nude scene?

Posted by: Heel & Arch Fanciers, Inc. at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (J2vNu)

451 We need Kyle Rittenhouse in Trump's cabinet.
Posted by: 496 at August 18, 2022 01:04 PM (U1eOr)

You're on the right track.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (H8QX8)

452 The thing is, all we want is for us and our families to be left alone. To live our lives within broad constitutional limits with the minimum amount of government intrusion. The totalitarians cannot, and will not, abide with our wishes. We must undergo a "Great Reset" and a thousand other diktats that will make Americans more accepting of their neuroses, tics, fads, and other forms of nuttery. And accept them we must, or else the full force of government will be unleashed upon us.

Posted by: mrp at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (6eRlp)

453 The way to handle that is to nail them for violating the law of the land, not just doing the same wrong things they did but "our way".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:10 PM (Ivdso)

Weaponizing the government against us isn't necessarily illegal, and ex post facto law wouldn't be permitted by you as well. To get a truce you've got to punch back.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (KcSkz)

454 >>> I think the practice has stopped but it wasn't unheard of.
~~~~~

It's probably still going on. Remember that guy who had the goods on Obama and Hillary and the Uranium One deal? I wanna say Campbell? Maybe. Anyway, he was a businessman who was recruited.

Not sure what became of all that but do remember that he was being treated for cancer at the time.

Posted by: IrishEi at August 18, 2022 01:13 PM (3ImbR)

455 Citizens For Sanity fight the left with truth and humor.

https://bit.ly/3pMm5oh

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 01:13 PM (FVME7)

456 I saw Consequentialism Ethos open for Men Without Hats at the Agora Ballroom in '86

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2022 01:13 PM (fs1hN)

457 *wanders in* article has video of Finland's hot Prime Ministress dancing *wanders out*

She's a socialist Branch Covidian bubble head right?

I mean...what do you expect?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:13 PM (ESjRY)

458 It's been said that Putin thinks of history in 40 year chunks. If that's true, then he is the only competent man on the world stage.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2022 01:13 PM (44ww/)

459 445 *wanders in* article has video of Finland's hot Prime Ministress dancing *wanders out*

https://tinyurl.com/ycxhmdvt

Stupid job (which is going well and I enjoy) keeping me from playing with the Horde.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (4bbGl)

Thank you and thank Finland

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:13 PM (V6f9+)

460 That's fine... within constitutional limits.

I would say that is what we are talking about but, constitutional limits seem rather elastic these days. What I mean is that I believe in representative government where I try to convince my fellow citizens of the correctness and practicality of my views within my local area. I always cite so-called Blue Laws as my example. Why shouldn't a community have the right to close commerce on Sunday if that is what the majority of citizens want?

Self-government is overrated, but not excessively so.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 01:14 PM (Q+K8B)

461 Over at CNN they talked about "election deniers voting ..."

Then, they wondered how this would affect democracy.

It is democracy, you putzs

Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2022 01:14 PM (RHGPo)

462 Right now, there's a Leftist somewhere saying "This is just Representative Government. Why shouldn't I actualize my policy preferences on Grump ?"
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:10 PM (pMwL9)

And you'll never persuade him other than by threatening the possibility of Grump imposing on him.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:14 PM (KcSkz)

463 363 They truly want to fight a war against half the country.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 18, 2022 12:12 PM (ynpvh)

No, they want complete and absolute power to do whatever they want whenever they want. There is a chance that 3 to 5 percent of the people would violently oppose that. Mostly old and white people who will mostly be easily dispatched.
Once that is finished and the rest of the country cowed into submission, they win.

They've never considered going to war with half the country.
Posted by: Buddy at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (MFphb)

2% of half the country is approx 3 million people. If 3M took arms they'd make Afghanistan look like starbucks.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 18, 2022 01:14 PM (53oGX)

464 the bugmen seem to be getting semi-erect over the latest person in Trump's orbit to be squeezed into composing against Trump. So, that's cool, Trump real estate CFO is now going to be the new Cohen.

Meanwhile...the left ignores the border and every other law out there.

Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom Speaker-EdD Intersectional Dynamics at August 18, 2022 01:14 PM (OuH7W)

465 The FBI sought a search warrant for the email account of former CIA and NSA chief Gen. Michael Hayden in 2012, according to a newly unsealed court filing. The warrant application was part of a broader Obama-era investigation into a leak of classified information to the press.

The targeting of Hayden's AOL email account drives home just how aggressively the Obama administration pursued leaks, in this case following a relatively thin lead all the way to the private email account of a retired four-star general. Hayden served as director of the National Security Agency from 1999 to 2005, and later led the CIA until his retirement in 2009.
Asked over email if he'd previously known about the search warrant, Hayden wrote, "I don’t think they announce them,"

Hayden has emerged in recent years as a fierce critic of the Trump presidency. But before that, he was best known for his aggressive approach to operationalizing the intelligence agencies he ran. After the 9/11 attacks, he helped initiate the NSA's sweeping warrantless wiretapping program, which was eventually shuttered after widespread criticism by advocacy groups and lawmakers

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 18, 2022 01:14 PM (MFZ8i)

466 No love for Eyes Wide Shut?

Two interesting things from that movie;

1) The fabulous mansion they have the parties in? That was owned by one of Epstein's kid wranglers.

2) The fake news story about the death in the movie? It was written be a "real" reporter. Who was also the first person to report on Epstein's death.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:07 PM (ESjRY)

At the time, I just thought it commentary on the debauchery of the wealthy. Viewed now? It is a bit more revealing.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:14 PM (yHsuS)

467 Government killed Jesus when He became an irritant. You think they won't take you out?

Hey I gave the people a choice you know.

Posted by: Pontius Pilate at August 18, 2022 01:14 PM (ESjRY)

468 Weaponizing the government against us isn't necessarily illegal, and ex post facto law wouldn't be permitted by you as well.

Its abuse of power which is criminal, but I was clearly and repeatedly talking about excess of government, violating the constitution, and breaking the law in the name of doing good.

If its wrong for them to have and use this power, its wrong for us to have and use it, too.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:14 PM (Ivdso)

469 It was also incompetence on Germany's part that allowed Russia to enter into an alliance with France to begin with.

Posted by: 18-1
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That happened because of Kaiser Wilhelm II dismissing Bismarck who had the horrors of fighting a two front alliance. Bismarck also counseled against taking Alsace Lorraine (after successfully getting rid of Napoleon III/unifying Germany during the Franco Prussian War) because of it riling up the French perpetually as a matter of honor.

Bismarck was a cynical old bastard like Metternich but thoroughly competent in matters of state--domestic and foreign policies.

Posted by: whig at August 18, 2022 01:15 PM (CXr4y)

470 *wanders in* article has video of Finland's hot Prime Ministress dancing *wanders out*

https://tinyurl.com/ycxhmdvt

Stupid job (which is going well and I enjoy) keeping me from playing with the Horde.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 18, 2022

***
*waving* Hey, AtC! How's life and manatees?

Posted by: Heel & Arch Fanciers, Inc. at August 18, 2022 01:15 PM (J2vNu)

471 I saw was censored; the scenes of Cruise moving among the masked "club" members were just disturbing, not revolting, as I've heard is true of the uncut version? Anyway, it surprised me that I liked it.
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Lots of symbolism in every shot. Subtextual. Not the dialogue, but the backgrounds, scenes, props, etc. You are very much intended to get the feeling you are entering a secret world and there are things encoded, right in front of you. That's how "they" roll. There are websites that discuss the imagery/symbolism of eyes wide shut. Its definitely a weird movie. The 'sex' orgy isn't that sexual. Its weirdly ritualized, and thus regulated rather than a spontaneous personal expression. Its certainly not love driving the orgy, its not even need. Like addicts, compelled to shoot up, even though there is no real "relief" from the cycle of addiction. They play parts in a role, depersonalized. Connected physically but ultimately disconnected and alone. Sex, Money, Power are lusts. They do not satisfy, they enslave.

Posted by: This message brought to you by, someone who isn't me at August 18, 2022 01:15 PM (dnKKT)

472 The way to handle that is to nail them for violating the law of the land, not just doing the same wrong things they did but "our way".
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Weaponizing the government against us isn't necessarily illegal, and ex post facto law wouldn't be permitted by you as well. To get a truce you've got to punch back.

I think you're both kind of right. After we win, if we win, I'm all for going back to limited government - way back - as in at least 170 years back.

But until that happens, we're going to have to be right bastards, whatever it takes, to make them hurt until they say uncle.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:15 PM (pMwL9)

473 450 I don't recall Cruise's character ever *participating* in the depraved stuff, just being exposed to it during his long night's journey into day and being badly shaken. Did the version I saw cut more stuff than just Nicole's nude scene?
Posted by: Heel & Arch Fanciers, Inc. at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (J2vNu)

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He never does, but the progression is very clear. There's the grieving widow who kisses him, the prostitute, the young girl at the costume shop, then the orgy. He participates in none at night then goes to revisit every single spot during the day to find them all seedier or less populated than the night before. He's ready to have sex with the prostitute's roommate, even, when he finds out that he barely escaped contracting AIDS from the prostitute the night before.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 01:15 PM (LvTSG)

474 Lots of Marxists talking like they know a indictment is coming for DJT

My prediction is a week before November election
Posted by: Skip's phone

If so, big ass back fire.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 01:15 PM (FVME7)

475 *wanders in* article has video of Finland's hot Prime Ministress dancing *wanders out*

She's a socialist Branch Covidian bubble head right?

I mean...what do you expect?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:13 PM (ESjRY)

I'd expect her to be ugly. She is not ugly. At all.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:15 PM (V6f9+)

476 453
'Weaponizing the government against us isn't necessarily illegal'

Wrong. They're guilty as charged. The sentence is death.

Posted by: Judge Claw at August 18, 2022 01:15 PM (yvHe0)

477 Want to know how out of control I think our government is?

A nuke could be set off in one of our cities, and I wouldn't believe our government, for one minute, when they tried to claim bad actor XYZ set it off.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:16 PM (5pTK/)

478 2% of half the country is approx 3 million people. If 3M took arms they'd make Afghanistan look like starbucks.

I think the plan is that they'd wage scorched earth war on the normies, like the Germans in Russia, not the pussified wars we had in 'Stan/Iraq.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:16 PM (ESjRY)

479 445 *wanders in* article has video of Finland's hot Prime Ministress dancing *wanders out*

https://tinyurl.com/ycxhmdvt
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To remove a little sparkle from this pretty little bauble, she's a run of the mill greenie environut.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2022 01:16 PM (fs1hN)

480 I always cite so-called Blue Laws as my example. Why shouldn't a community have the right to close commerce on Sunday if that is what the majority of citizens want?

I cannot remember the name of the principle but I strongly agree with the idea that the more local and directly accountable a government is, the more power it should be allowed.

Federal government: almost none.
Distrtict government (judges etc): slightly more
State government: slightly more
County government: slightly more
City government: slightly more
Local council: slightly more.

So blue laws in a town? OK. Blue laws in a county? probably not. Blue laws in a state? Absolutely not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:17 PM (Ivdso)

481 Border Patrol opens gate locked by Texas National Guard to allow illegal immigrants to enter

https://tinyurl.com/bdpzpkpa

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:17 PM (/hCMk)

482 Congrats, AtC! Glad the new job is measuring up to your expectations!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:17 PM (5pTK/)

483 That man's comments reveal him to be an entirely and deeply unserious person. I wouldn't credit his opinion about anything at all.

Posted by: LASue at August 18, 2022 01:17 PM (Ed8Zd)

484 I think you're both kind of right. After we win, if we win, I'm all for going back to limited government - way back - as in at least 170 years back.

But until that happens, we're going to have to be right bastards, whatever it takes, to make them hurt until they say uncle.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:15 PM (pMwL9)

It's a paradox of smaller government that you protect it by having multiple groups struggle for power and it goes away if a group dominates.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:18 PM (KcSkz)

485 *wanders in* article has video of Finland's hot Prime Ministress dancing *wanders out*

https://tinyurl.com/ycxhmdvt

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Now that's a head of state.

Posted by: 496 at August 18, 2022 01:18 PM (U1eOr)

486
A nuke could be set off in one of our cities, and I wouldn't believe our government, for one minute, when they tried to claim bad actor XYZ set it off.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:16 PM (5pTK/)

Sure.

If the Norks blew up LA, I bet the news and government would tell us it was the Rapekrieg and their secret weapons program.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 18, 2022 01:18 PM (IXpV7)

487 I cannot remember the name of the principle but I strongly agree with the idea that the more local and directly accountable a government is, the more power it should be allowed.

Subsidiarity ? I learned that one today.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:18 PM (pMwL9)

488 Want to know how out of control I think our government is?

A nuke could be set off in one of our cities, and I wouldn't believe our government, for one minute, when they tried to claim bad actor XYZ set it off.
Posted by: blake
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This^

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:18 PM (/hCMk)

489 I cannot remember the name of the principle but I strongly agree with the idea that the more local and directly accountable a government is, the more power it should be allowed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:17 PM (Ivdso)

Sounds like subsidiarity.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:18 PM (KcSkz)

490 At any other time in history, I wouldn't be worried about anything the left is throwing at us. I'd trust that the average American valued liberty, sovereignty, the Bill of Rights, family, and community.

However, the 'average American' has been so dumbed down that they will believe anything and can be led to do anything.

Don't believe me? Go to Instagram and check out the page of justinawad1 He's a young kid who goes around Times Square in NYC and NJ shopping malls asking random young people simple questions about the US, the world, basic math, and history. You've never seen people this stupid.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J Trump is our duly elected president at August 18, 2022 01:18 PM (l0Cy4)

491 That happened because of Kaiser Wilhelm II dismissing Bismarck who had the horrors of fighting a two front alliance. Bismarck also counseled against taking Alsace Lorraine (after successfully getting rid of Napoleon III/unifying Germany during the Franco Prussian War) because of it riling up the French perpetually as a matter of honor.

Bismarck was a cynical old bastard like Metternich but thoroughly competent in matters of state--domestic and foreign policies.

Posted by: whig
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Even Bismark was not going to be able to keep both Russia and Austria onside forever. Eventually that was going to fall apart.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 18, 2022 01:19 PM (es0Dj)

492 Border Patrol opens gate locked by Texas National Guard to allow illegal immigrants to enter

A lot harder to let people through a minefield then a gate. You listening Abbott?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:19 PM (ESjRY)

493 I don't recall Cruise's character ever *participating* in the depraved stuff, just being exposed to it during his long night's journey into day and being badly shaken. Did the version I saw cut more stuff than just Nicole's nude scene?
Posted by: Heel & Arch Fanciers, Inc. at August 18, 2022 01:12 PM (J2vNu)
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He never does, but the progression is very clear. There's the grieving widow who kisses him, the prostitute, the young girl at the costume shop, then the orgy. He participates in none at night then goes to revisit every single spot during the day to find them all seedier or less populated than the night before. He's ready to have sex with the prostitute's roommate, even, when he finds out that he barely escaped contracting AIDS from the prostitute the night before.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022

***
Hm. Gotta watch it again.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 01:19 PM (J2vNu)

494 But, your honor, we strenuously object as everyone knows that Orange.Man.Bad.

Posted by: micky at August 18, 2022 01:20 PM (3byMq)

495 Prime Ministress of Finland? She reminds me of Jennifer Garner.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 01:20 PM (J2vNu)

496 Border Patrol opens gate locked by Texas National Guard to allow illegal immigrants to enter

https://tinyurl.com/bdpzpkpa

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:17 PM (/hCMk)

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Screw gates & fences, it's time for the border states to deploy land mines, weaponized drones, and crocodiles.

Posted by: ShainS -- VDH-Endorsed-by-Proxy Connoisseur of Cruelty at August 18, 2022 01:20 PM (WtAgB)

497 To remove a little sparkle from this pretty little bauble, she's a run of the mill greenie environut.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2022 01:16 PM (fs1hN)

Hey, everybody's gotta make a buck.

Posted by: Environuts at August 18, 2022 01:21 PM (v0R5T)

498 Sounds like subsidiarity.

Just as mankind loves by proximity, we should order things the most the closer they are to us. One size does not fit all and the bigger the stage, the worse the play.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 01:21 PM (Q+K8B)

499 Beautiful cruelty, Ace!
Just plain beautiful!

Posted by: democrats: Raping The Children We Cannot Kill Since 1973 at August 18, 2022 01:21 PM (jV+aN)

500 I always take what cucks say in Atwater with a grain of salt. They want likes and say stupid shit to get it from the clapping seals.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 01:21 PM (OalnH)

501 Hmm, Kari Lake embraces President Trump and Governor DeSantis, invokes the 10th Amendment and the feds promptly tell AZ they're cutting water deliveries.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:21 PM (5pTK/)

502 I think you're both kind of right. After we win, if we win, I'm all for going back to limited government - way back - as in at least 170 years back.

But until that happens, we're going to have to be right bastards, whatever it takes, to make them hurt until they say uncle.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022

***
Mister, we could use a man like Roger B. Taney again. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 01:21 PM (J2vNu)

503 *wanders in* article has video of Finland's hot Prime Ministress dancing *wanders out*

https://tinyurl.com/ycxhmdvt

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Now that's a head of state.
Posted by: 496 at August 18, 2022 01:18 PM (U1eOr)

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Out: Heads of state.
In: Headlights of state.

Posted by: ShainS -- VDH-Endorsed-by-Proxy Connoisseur of Cruelty at August 18, 2022 01:21 PM (WtAgB)

504
A nuke could be set off in one of our cities, and I wouldn't believe our government, for one minute, when they tried to claim bad actor XYZ set it off.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:16 PM (5pTK/)

NYC is already running PSAs about what to do in case of a nuclear attack. Actual quote from it:“So there’s been a nuclear attack, Don’t ask me how or why, just know that the big one has hit, okay?”

Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J Trump is our duly elected president at August 18, 2022 01:22 PM (l0Cy4)

505 Hayden's argument from authority isn't as persuasive as he thinks.

Posted by: mr tmz at August 18, 2022 01:22 PM (rJ48h)

506
A nuke could be set off in one of our cities, and I wouldn't believe our government, for one minute, when they tried to claim bad actor XYZ set it off.

Remember the Anthrax mailings? Which the government told us for years was the work of Stephen Hatfill and after that fell apart they told us was one of his random co-workers who conveniently committed suicide?

Yeah...it wasn't him. And I'm open to discussion as to whether he actually killed himself.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:22 PM (ESjRY)

507 But the American people did expect us to bash someone's fucking face in over the attacks. So we go into Afganistan and sorta...win. Too quickly and easily, we have no plan, zero, what to do afterwards.

We did not win. We did not kill enough Taliban, and we let our captives be lawfared for years when they should have been tried in 90 days and executed within 90 after that.

The Bush Administration appointed generals who prioritized force protection over pure aggression, and let prisoners be lawfared all the way to the Supreme Court when he should have grabbed a two-star said 'you're running trials in 90 days or I fire you, here's a DVD of Judgment At Nuremberg'

Bush 43 will not be treated favorably by history.

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2022 01:22 PM (8erNz)

508 Border Patrol opens gate locked by Texas National Guard to allow illegal immigrants to enter

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I guess they were right; fences don't work.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2022 01:22 PM (FVME7)

509 Want to know how out of control I think our government is?

A nuke could be set off in one of our cities, and I wouldn't believe our government, for one minute, when they tried to claim bad actor XYZ set it off.
Posted by: blake
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This^

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:18 PM (/hCMk)

Shartswell telegraphed it. If a nuke is popped off in America, it is with the blessing or direction of those in power. It would take extremely compelling evidence to convince me otherwise.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:22 PM (yHsuS)

510 Restore the Theocracy of 1787!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2022 01:22 PM (Q+K8B)

511 I was on Reddit this morning checking a crochet pattern. The front page is full of Trump going to prison for sedition, Trump getting the death penalty for sedition, Trump family destroyed. These people are totally sure Trump will be in handcuffs by next week.

Posted by: Megthered at August 18, 2022 01:23 PM (AdxHD)

512 That is why, and I know a lot of people are going to not like this, but why I believe that when a sheriff of a town of 200 people with lots of gun violence puts up a sign saying "turn over your guns when you enter the city limits" is permissible. Because its the smallest level of government, the most accountable, and the most readily correctable.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:23 PM (Ivdso)

513 Don't believe me? Go to Instagram and check out the page of justinawad1 He's a young kid who goes around Times Square in NYC and NJ shopping malls asking random young people simple questions about the US, the world, basic math, and history. You've never seen people this stupid.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma

I watched Johnny Carson and Jay Leno do it 45 years ago.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel ace is the best ace at August 18, 2022 01:23 PM (Ri+XN)

514 I think you're both kind of right. After we win, if we win, I'm all for going back to limited government - way back - as in at least 170 years back.

But until that happens, we're going to have to be right bastards, whatever it takes, to make them hurt until they say uncle.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022

***
Mister, we could use a man like Roger B. Taney again. . . .
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at August 18, 2022 01:21 PM (J2vNu)

Prince Jeremi first. We didn't start the will to power game but we either win or we die along with Republic's death.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:24 PM (V6f9+)

515 I might add, Ducey is also moving to fill gaps in the border wall with double stacked shipping containers topped with razor wire.

Ducey may have been a COVIDidiot, but, he's certainly sticking his thumb in the eye of FedGov.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:24 PM (5pTK/)

516 I watched Johnny Carson and Jay Leno do it 45 years ago.
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Yep.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:24 PM (/hCMk)

517 Speaking of WWI, I read somewhere (maybe here, idk) that the Franz Ferdinand assignation was more complicated than I thought. Originally, the group of plotters intended to kill him with a bomb, but his driver took a different route and they missed him. Then the one lone guy just happened to run into them later purely by chance and spontaneously shot him and his wife.

Totally weird how history was shaped by random chance like that.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 01:24 PM (UuD2k)

518 Help me out here. These are people who are aren't citizens who are not currently in our country being let into our country by the people who are paid to keep illegal aliens out of our country?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Norway only has EVs because the government has guns at August 18, 2022 01:24 PM (9+Jmc)

519 Let Donald continue being the lead blocker, DeSantis will draft in his wake and make his move at the appropriate time.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 12:59 PM (V9b2V)

Particularly at this point in time Trump is the truly like the indispensable SWAT team needed to get in the door and take initial control of the chaos and corruption. However DeSantis is needed for the occupation and long term. The calendar is not in Trump's favour. Two balls to the wall years as POTUS then hand it over Ronnie D and live Bigly on the links.

Posted by: Voter theater. at August 18, 2022 01:24 PM (XxgfI)

520 478 2% of half the country is approx 3 million people. If 3M took arms they'd make Afghanistan look like starbucks.

I think the plan is that they'd wage scorched earth war on the normies, like the Germans in Russia, not the pussified wars we had in 'Stan/Iraq.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:16 PM (ESjRY)

Sure, I believe they believe that... but a one million person army, with home field advantage might not be the target they have in mind.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 18, 2022 01:25 PM (53oGX)

521 . He's ready to have sex with the prostitute's roommate, even, when he finds out that he barely escaped contracting AIDS from the prostitute the night before.
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Enslaved. Unto death itself.

Posted by: This message brought to you by, someone who isn't me at August 18, 2022 01:25 PM (KF/cm)

522 Remember the Anthrax mailings? Which the government told us for years was the work of Stephen Hatfill and after that fell apart they told us was one of his random co-workers who conveniently committed suicide?

Yeah that whole episode was sketchy as hell and sort of fell off the table in news coverage awful fast. Like the pipe bombs on January 6 or the CNN bomber who mailed out all those bombs at once and bought a new Trump wrap for his truck on no money.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:25 PM (Ivdso)

523 I believe the action will start when someone on the far, far right of the ideological bell curve decides it's time for a certain group to face justice. Since nobody in the RussiaGate hoax were arrested or prosecuted, I would expect that the Comey, Strozk, Page, Clapper, Brennan, etc. group will be the ones targeted. Probably, someone is just going to stake out CNN and see who shows up. This will escalate quickly.

Posted by: jwest at August 18, 2022 01:25 PM (/BlEx)

524 “So there’s been a nuclear attack, Don’t ask me how or why, just know that the big one has hit, okay?”
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Hmmm. Message seems to be: "don't ask any questions!"

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2022 01:25 PM (fs1hN)

525 The Bush Administration appointed generals who prioritized force protection over pure aggression, and let prisoners be lawfared all the way to the Supreme Court when he should have grabbed a two-star said 'you're running trials in 90 days or I fire you, here's a DVD of Judgment At Nuremberg'

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2022 01:22 PM (8erNz)

Folks, I believe we've found our next pick for Secretary of the Joint Chiefs.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:25 PM (pMwL9)

526 Could be an outlier, can’t get too excited.

MI poll out today shows Whitmer leading by only 5. Last one showed 11 in July.

Posted by: Joe Xiden at August 18, 2022 01:25 PM (OalnH)

527 The most dangerous radicals today are the donks who follow the trekkies at the WEF. Kodos the Executioner who wants half the populace dead over a faux threat, the push toward virtual hologram life, and artificial foods. I hadn't made the connection until I saw Schwab in his star trek suit (whether he's dressed as Kodos or a Klingon General is debatable).But the goals are indeed modeled after TOS and maybe other incarnations that I haven't seen.
And yes, Gates is a trekkie.

This goes back to my regular book thread assertion that fantasy tends to become sinister when acted out.

Posted by: CN, the deer-hater at August 18, 2022 01:26 PM (Zzbjj)

528 I really hated the idea of letting the people who doxxed my family to the two successor states of the Soviet Fucking Union lecture me about treason, sedition, and espionage.

And that was before they made the virus.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Cryptid Anarchist at August 18, 2022 01:26 PM (kb4UD)

529 Shartswell telegraphed it. If a nuke is popped off in America, it is with the blessing or direction of those in power. It would take extremely compelling evidence to convince me otherwise.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:22 PM (yHsuS)

Was there not a bomb that went off from an RV in Nashville not too long ago that was specifically timed to go off in such a way that it risked almost zero human life and let out a warning?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2022 01:26 PM (KbCG3)

530 The Bush Administration appointed generals who prioritized force protection over pure aggression, and let prisoners be lawfared all the way to the Supreme Court when he should have grabbed a two-star said 'you're running trials in 90 days or I fire you, here's a DVD of Judgment At Nuremberg'

I wonder if AQ didn't succeed in killing Ahmad Shah Massoud right before 9/11, if he would have forced the issue and been shooting Taliban members in mass as needed to be done.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:26 PM (ESjRY)

531 There's an entire contingent on social media that is completely sure that when the Great Unpleasantness 2.0 starts they're all just going to wake up in the mornings, roll over and grab their phones, and see how many cousin fuckers in red states were rounded up by the feds overnight to put in the camps.

People like Hayden, who's been immersed in the warm sudsy bath of government their entire f****** life, are just as much a part of that demographic is some blue haired dumbass with a Tumblr account.

They all think we're locked in here with them when it's just the opposite.

Posted by: Azathoth at August 18, 2022 01:26 PM (wb1YC)

532 In case nobody has asked this before, Didn't Hayden have several strokes? That being the case, his mind is probably not operating at its optimal level and sometimes people with strokes have anger issues, as do people like Biden with dementia.

I take it Ms. Rangappa is a Muslim?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2022 01:26 PM (wvo9L)

533 Yeah that whole episode was sketchy as hell and sort of fell off the table in news coverage awful fast. Like the pipe bombs on January 6 or the CNN bomber who mailed out all those bombs at once and bought a new Trump wrap for his truck on no money.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:25 PM (Ivdso)
------------------------

Richard Jewell says hi.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:26 PM (5pTK/)

534 The CIA is the largest international terrorist organization the world has ever known. They don't represent or conduct ops in America's interest, they only do it in their own. And this isn't "new". The agency was corrupt from the start.

Posted by: TheMitch at August 18, 2022 01:26 PM (cDITE)

535 Was there not a bomb that went off from an RV in Nashville not too long ago that was specifically timed to go off in such a way that it risked almost zero human life and let out a warning?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
___

Talking bout that AT&T building or whatnot?

Just another mystery.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:27 PM (/hCMk)

536 Since this is a rotten, festering mess of a thread, this one's for CBD:

Man dies after eating '1 in a billion' bad oyster at Florida restaurant
tinyurl.com/mupzctfb

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2022 01:27 PM (IEa8U)

537 512 That is why, and I know a lot of people are going to not like this, but why I believe that when a sheriff of a town of 200 people with lots of gun violence puts up a sign saying "turn over your guns when you enter the city limits" is permissible. Because its the smallest level of government, the most accountable, and the most readily correctable.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:23 PM (Ivdso)

I don't like this. Or the phrase 'gun violence'.

What if the Sheriff puts up a sign saying, 'All unmarried women must work in the brothel 4 hours a week'? That permissible?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:27 PM (V6f9+)

538 512 That is why, and I know a lot of people are going to not like this, but why I believe that when a sheriff of a town of 200 people with lots of gun violence puts up a sign saying "turn over your guns when you enter the city limits" is permissible. Because its the smallest level of government, the most accountable, and the most readily correctable.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:23 PM (Ivdso)

Well transit comes into play there. Should a town be able to block travel arbitrarily if it sits on a river or highway? Not permitting residents to own firearms is one thing, but mutual free travel requires some permissiveness.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:27 PM (KcSkz)

539 But until that happens, we're going to have to be right bastards, whatever it takes, to make them hurt until they say uncle.

The problem with this approach is that its top-down. We aren't in this place because bad people in power made it so. We're in this place because evil people slowly infested and corrupted every single institution in the country. Its a cultural, social problem. These people are elected. These people got their education in the culture we live in.

Changing a few names at the top will not fix our cultural rot. That takes time and demographics and God's will. We cannot win this in a 90 minute movie with commercial breaks. Its a generational fight.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:28 PM (Ivdso)

540 OSS/CIA's greatest hits:
1. Didn't find out for 20 years that Alger Hiss was a Soviet spy.
2. Missed the build up of Chinese Troops on the Yalu River.
3. Dropped off 1,500 poorly trained Cuban mercs w/o air support to overthrow Castro.
4. Tried and failed multiple times to assassinate Castro with ever more bizarre plots.
5. Failed to understand the intelligence and warn Israel before the Yom Kippur War.
6. Missed calling the fall of the Soviet Union.

There are tons more

Top. Men.

Posted by: Archer at August 18, 2022 01:28 PM (gmo/4)

541 Yowza.

Check out this beautiful and fit woman doing a nice clean and jerk lift.

https://bit.ly/3A60k7r

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 01:28 PM (eyxn4)

542 Since this is a rotten, festering mess of a thread, this one's for CBD:

Man dies after eating '1 in a billion' bad oyster at Florida restaurant
tinyurl.com/mupzctfb
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2022 01:27 PM (IEa8U)

That'll teach him to put maple syrup on oysters.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 18, 2022 01:28 PM (ZSK0i)

543 And I wouldn't even swear that the General is doing his own tweets.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (wvo9L)

544 They thought the bomber was trying to take out an AT&T substation. And it did play a recorded warning to leave the area.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (5HBd1)

545 That is why, and I know a lot of people are going to not like this, but why I believe that when a sheriff of a town of 200 people with lots of gun violence puts up a sign saying "turn over your guns when you enter the city limits" is permissible. Because its the smallest level of government, the most accountable, and the most readily correctable.

You'll get no issue from me. I'm all for a pre-Incorporation view of the Bill of Rights. As in, its a check on the Federal Government, and nothing more.

Because too many people - on both sides - find all sorts of reasons why not only majority rule, but rule of a super-majority, should be thwarted by the Federal Government all in the name of the Bill of Rights.

It doesn't bother me that the natives of New York don't want a ten round magazine for their pistol.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (pMwL9)

546 Looks like an oyster but its snot.

Posted by: wth at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (v0R5T)

547 Something. Something. Greatest country on earth.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (OrVGM)

548 The CIA is the largest international terrorist organization the world has ever known. They don't represent or conduct ops in America's interest, they only do it in their own. And this isn't "new". The agency was corrupt from the start.

Posted by: TheMitch at August 18, 2022 01:26 PM (cDITE)

CIA - International Terror

FBI/DOJ - Domestic Terror

Two peas in a pod.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (yHsuS)

549 That is why, and I know a lot of people are going to not like this, but why I believe that when a sheriff of a town of 200 people with lots of gun violence puts up a sign saying "turn over your guns when you enter the city limits" is permissible.

***

So, are we talking a depressed sheriff here or one with a bonafide death wish? Because the outcome is the same.

Posted by: Azathoth at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (wb1YC)

550 What if the Sheriff puts up a sign saying, 'All unmarried women must work in the brothel 4 hours a week'? That permissible?

Exactly what problem in the town would this be addressing?

A town plagued with shootings and deaths several times a week or nightly (as happened in some of the rougher towns that implemented this sort of ordinance) is a real problem for the culture that needs to be addressed, temporarily at least.

There's nothing about needing more hookers that a culture is being destroyed by.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (Ivdso)

551 Was there not a bomb that went off from an RV in Nashville not too long ago that was specifically timed to go off in such a way that it risked almost zero human life and let out a warning?
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Christmas day or New Years day, Nashville. Right outside ATT office. Supposedly a fugitive from the FBI. Had a RV that was booby trapped to explode. Played a loudspeaker recorded message and countdown warning prior to explosion. Pretty big boom.

Posted by: Another one you never hear about at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (ddUH4)

552 O/T

Can someone confirm if the Judge ruling on unsealing the affidavit is indeed the same Judge that signed off on the warrant?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (1n+EO)

553 I think the plan is that they'd wage scorched earth war on the normies, like the Germans in Russia, not the pussified wars we had in 'Stan/Iraq.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2022 01:16 PM (ESjRY)

Sure, I believe they believe that... but a one million person army, with home field advantage might not be the target they have in mind.
Posted by: Inogame

Do it. Roll armor out of Ft Hood to OKC. Best take momma and the kids with you in that tank. Because they just became legit military targets. And there's a lot of off base living in Killeen, Copperas Cove, and Belton area.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel ace is the best ace at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (Ri+XN)

554 541 Yowza.

Check out this beautiful and fit woman doing a nice clean and jerk lift.

https://bit.ly/3A60k7r
Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 01:28 PM (eyxn4)

Jiggly. Not normal for a buff girl to have big naturals but she seems to.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:30 PM (V6f9+)

555 Better yet make everyone at FBI CIA and NSA do a year selling tickets and minding the place at the 9/11 museum in NYC.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 01:30 PM (3qoBw)

556 Posted by: Archer at August 18, 2022 01:28 PM (gmo/4)

There was a even bigger Cuban spy caught right around 9/11. Woman, if I remember it correctly. Everyone forgets her because of 9/11, but she was bigger than Alger Hiss by a lot.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 01:30 PM (UuD2k)

557 5. Failed to understand the intelligence and warn Israel before the Yom Kippur War.

Posted by: Archer at August 18, 2022 01:28 PM (gmo/4)
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CIA probably encouraged the ME to take on Israel. I think, institutionally, the CIA has hated Israel since Israel became a nation.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:31 PM (5pTK/)

558 Yes, Hayden did have several strokes, and yes brain trauma can make you delusional and alter thought processes.

Posted by: CN, the deer-hater at August 18, 2022 01:31 PM (Zzbjj)

559 2% of half the country is approx 3 million people. If 3M took arms they'd make Afghanistan look like starbucks.
Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 18, 2022 01:14 PM (53oGX)

Depends on how it is done.
Buncha lone wolves can cause mayhem but not affect policy. Try to organize into an effective force and you'll get crushed in the crib by a CI.
Lots of people talk a good game but are in fact toothless dogs barking on the front porch hoping the bark will prevent any need to bite.

I'm not as optimistic as some about true resistance to tyranny here. More myth than reality, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Buddy at August 18, 2022 01:31 PM (MFphb)

560 What if the Sheriff puts up a sign saying, 'All unmarried women must work in the brothel 4 hours a week'? That permissible?

Apparently, so long as you use a fancy word that a political science professor would appreciate to describe the arrangement, instead of just calling it slavery.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 18, 2022 01:31 PM (ppBhU)

561 Fun fact: sheriffs swear an oath to the Constitution too.

Posted by: Azathoth at August 18, 2022 01:31 PM (wb1YC)

562 Check out this beautiful and fit woman doing a nice clean and jerk lift.

https://bit.ly/3A60k7r
_____________

I did the jerk and clean.

Posted by: J. Tooobin! at August 18, 2022 01:32 PM (fs1hN)

563 There's nothing about needing more hookers that a culture is being destroyed by.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (Ivdso)

His point was aimed at how tyrannical is local authority permitted to be, not so much the utility of a given law.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:32 PM (KcSkz)

564
Was it a raw oyster? If so, that's just tempting fate. Especially from some areas.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 18, 2022 01:32 PM (jE276)

565 "Christmas day or New Years day, Nashville. Right outside ATT office. Supposedly a fugitive from the FBI. Had a RV that was booby trapped to explode. Played a loudspeaker recorded message and countdown warning prior to explosion. Pretty big boom."

Christmas Day. I was in the area.

Posted by: Tuna at August 18, 2022 01:32 PM (gLRfa)

566 #550
A brothel, not street hookers.
You know, like Heidi Fleiss and Ghislaine Maxwell.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2022 01:33 PM (3qoBw)

567 What if the Sheriff puts up a sign saying, 'All unmarried women must work in the brothel 4 hours a week'? That permissible?

Do you believe in self rule, or do you not ? Or do you only believe in self rule as long as the self rulers rule to suit you ?

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:33 PM (pMwL9)

568 Fun fact: Biden swore an oath to the Constitution, too.

Posted by: PabloD at August 18, 2022 01:33 PM (jvvca)

569 I'd be fearful, but I don't care.

A world without white males is it's own punishment.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 18, 2022 01:33 PM (OrVGM)

570 Speaking of WWI, I read somewhere (maybe here, idk) that the Franz Ferdinand assignation was more complicated than I thought. Originally, the group of plotters intended to kill him with a bomb, but his driver took a different route and they missed him. Then the one lone guy just happened to run into them later purely by chance and spontaneously shot him and his wife.

Totally weird how history was shaped by random chance like that.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
_____________________

They did chuck the bomb, which the Archduke may have batted away. Not clear. Landed under a car behind. Archduke went to the hospital to visit the injured. They changed the route leaving the hospital, knowing other assassins may well be out there, but his driver didn't get the word and took the wrong route. Was stopped to back up right in front of Princip (the assassin) when it went down.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 18, 2022 01:33 PM (es0Dj)

571 Speaking of WWI, I read somewhere (maybe here, idk) that the Franz Ferdinand assignation was more complicated than I thought. Originally, the group of plotters intended to kill him with a bomb, but his driver took a different route and they missed him. Then the one lone guy just happened to run into them later purely by chance and spontaneously shot him and his wife.

It's worse than that. The driver realized he was on the wrong road and stopped to make a u-turn which is when princip had his shot

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2022 01:33 PM (8erNz)

572 What if the Sheriff puts up a sign saying, 'All unmarried women must work in the brothel 4 hours a week'? That permissible?

Exactly what problem in the town would this be addressing?

A town plagued with shootings and deaths several times a week or nightly (as happened in some of the rougher towns that implemented this sort of ordinance) is a real problem for the culture that needs to be addressed, temporarily at least.

There's nothing about needing more hookers that a culture is being destroyed by.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:29 PM (Ivdso)

Why perhaps a rape epidemic or just a shortage of women. It even has historical precedent, like most tyranny, petty and otherwise.

A town plauged with shooting is cleaned up when the people doing the shooting are chased out or locked up. Disarming the people never resolves the issue, in fact it usually resulted in dead deputies, or crooked sheriffs who used that law to disarm their political rivals.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:33 PM (V6f9+)

573 I did like what Bush II did with Stuxnet.

At least he wasn’t an Iran-lover like the current bunch.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 18, 2022 01:33 PM (p+g5G)

574 Exactly what problem in the town would this be addressing?
==
Female unemployment?

A high rate of unmarried men between the ages of 18-40 because of a shortage of women on the frontier.

There's always a problem. Its the world after all. If all that is required is a significant problem and a plausible solution that's not very difficult to accomplish for the state. Hell, they can even manufacture problems by encouraging unmarried men in that age range to move in by subsidizing them. . .

Posted by: See, the hardest thing about being in charge is doing nothing is usually the best thing at August 18, 2022 01:34 PM (dzAFB)

575 His point was aimed at how tyrannical is local authority permitted to be, not so much the utility of a given law.

But that throws out the entire point just to make an argument. The purpose and need of the law is what drives it, its not just random. We aren't suposed to create laws based on throwing darts over your shoulder at a wall of words. I guess its illegal to put a white goat on top of your shed on Tuesdays now!

The law to ban carrying firearms in, say, Abeline was not there arbitrarily or because the sheriff didn't care for guns. It was there because Hickock was trying to calm the town down and stop all the murdering.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:34 PM (Ivdso)

576 The Franz Ferdinand assassination is pretty complex. I have a book on WWI that goes into great detail on it. Ferdinand was a peacemaker, but a radical group of Serbs did not want peace. And yes, the route was changed and one of the group happened to be on the new route.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 18, 2022 01:34 PM (5HBd1)

577 That is why, and I know a lot of people are going to not like this, but why I believe that when a sheriff of a town of 200 people with lots of gun violence puts up a sign saying "turn over your guns when you enter the city limits" is permissible. Because its the smallest level of government, the most accountable, and the most readily correctable.

This is incorrect. The Right of self defense is given by God and no one at any level has legitimate authority to interfere with it.

Anyone who tries is a legitimate target of said Right of self defense.

Posted by: Methos at August 18, 2022 01:35 PM (kOpft)

578 Oysters and clams. Oysters and clams.

Posted by: wth at August 18, 2022 01:35 PM (v0R5T)

579 I guess its illegal to put a white goat on top of your shed on Tuesdays now!

Just you try and stop me.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:35 PM (pMwL9)

580 Totally weird how history was shaped by random chance like that.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 01:24 PM (UuD2k)

The pistol was made in Belgium but designed by Browning.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2022 01:35 PM (44ww/)

581 It's The First World War by John Keegan. You'll want to have lots of red yarn and thumb tacks so you can track who is who.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 18, 2022 01:35 PM (5HBd1)

582 567 What if the Sheriff puts up a sign saying, 'All unmarried women must work in the brothel 4 hours a week'? That permissible?

Do you believe in self rule, or do you not ? Or do you only believe in self rule as long as the self rulers rule to suit you ?
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:33 PM (pMwL9)

I am anti tyranny, be it local, state or federal gunmen trying to dictate to me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:35 PM (V6f9+)

583
Do you believe in self rule, or do you not ? Or do you only believe in self rule as long as the self rulers rule to suit you ?
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:33 PM (pMwL9)

Democracy vs republics. Wilson popularized self determination and FDR had the global crusade for democracy.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:35 PM (KcSkz)

584 Yashar Ali 🐘
@yashar
Scoop: Brian Stelter to exit CNN
yashar.substack.com
Scoop: Brian Stelter To Exit CNN...
Brian Stelter, CNN’s Chief Media Correspondent and anchor of the Sunday morning media program "Reliable Sources," is set to leave CNN according to two sources. This is a developing story…check back...
10:24 AM · Aug 18, 2022

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 18, 2022 01:35 PM (MFZ8i)

585 “When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing, they believe in everything.”

G.K. Chesterton

Well, I will this for the Atheists on here. They're not militant Atheists and they see some value in Western Civilization that was brought about by Judeo-Christian values. Leftist Atheists do believe in everything and the conservatives are their heretics who need to be extirpated.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (wvo9L)

586 STELTER IS OUT AT CNN.

FLAMING POTATO TIME???

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (wtvvX)

587 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:34 PM (Ivdso)

All this sounds like government to death by HOA.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (yHsuS)

588 584 Yashar Ali @yashar
Scoop: Brian Stelter to exit CNN
yashar.substack.com
Scoop: Brian Stelter To Exit CNN...
Brian Stelter, CNN’s Chief Media Correspondent and anchor of the Sunday morning media program "Reliable Sources," is set to leave CNN according to two sources. This is a developing story…check back...
10:24 AM · Aug 18, 2022
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 18, 2022 01:35 PM (MFZ8i)

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Predictable turn of events is predictable.

Still, funny.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (LvTSG)

589 I'm just going to say it out loud:

1) Gen Michael Hayden is a deranged retard
2) Larry Pfeiffer is a frightened cuck
3) Asha Rangappa was once a man

Posted by: 40 Miles North at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (uWF4x)

590 Man dies after eating '1 in a billion' bad oyster at Florida restaurant

*

test run.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (FxoE4)

591 ‘Woke’ Military Policies to Blame for Recruitment Crisis, Service Members Say

https://tinyurl.com/4zxf26sd

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (/hCMk)

592 Ferdinand was a peacemaker, but a radical group of Serbs did not want peace

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Couple of things at play there. Ferdinand was preparing to give Serbs autonomy, but within the A-H empire.

1.) The Black Hand (correctly) feared this would be seen as a reasonable compromise, and squash the movement for full independence, which is what they wanted.

2.) Because fuck those Austrians.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (IXpV7)

593 STELTER IS OUT AT CNN.

FLAMING POTATO TIME???
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (wtvvX)

TATER GETS FRIED!

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 18, 2022 01:37 PM (wmDcS)

594 A town plagued with shootings and deaths several times a week or nightly (as happened in some of the rougher towns that implemented this sort of ordinance) is a real problem for the culture that needs to be addressed, temporarily at least.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

The town would be plagued by stabbings and hammer attacks.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 01:37 PM (lTGtQ)

595 I've seen some interesting evidence that Franz Ferdinand's assassination was abetted by locals who wanted a war...local war, not international.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:37 PM (V6f9+)

596 A town plauged with shooting is cleaned up when the people doing the shooting are chased out or locked up. Disarming the people never resolves the issue

That's historically false. It worked in multiple towns across the old west, as proven by actual events. Part of the reason it worked is that the people who were murdering didn't want to give up their guns or face down someone like Wild Bill Hickock to try to keep them. So they left, or died.

It fulfilled its purpose and the ordinance was lifted.

But the point of my argument is not history so much as an example of the concept of power being allowed more broadly to government the more local and accountable it is.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:37 PM (Ivdso)

597 But that throws out the entire point just to make an argument. The purpose and need of the law is what drives it, its not just random. We aren't suposed to create laws based on throwing darts over your shoulder at a wall of words. I guess its illegal to put a white goat on top of your shed on Tuesdays now!

The law to ban carrying firearms in, say, Abeline was not there arbitrarily or because the sheriff didn't care for guns. It was there because Hickock was trying to calm the town down and stop all the murdering.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:34 PM (Ivdso)

Laws can be arbitrary and tyrannical. That's why Mark wants safeguards against it.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:37 PM (KcSkz)

598 God help us, we called it Bush Derangement Syndrome and then Trump DS, but a scary number of people, especially in the mandarin and FNM classes have Republican Derangement Syndrome (with carve outs for the Beltway insiders.)

Although I'm not sure the nation deserves divine intervention against the mentally ill and evil twerps who would destroy the last vestiges of our Republic as founded.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at August 18, 2022 01:37 PM (3cGpq)

599 The Holocaust resistance fighter Zofia Posmysz has passed away at the age of 98. Rest in peace, Zofia.

https://bit.ly/3AajVnb

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 01:37 PM (eyxn4)

600 STELTER IS OUT AT CNN.

FLAMING POTATO TIME???

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (wtvvX)

https://tinyurl.com/3e4nddv6

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:37 PM (yHsuS)

601 Scoop: Brian Stelter To Exit CNN...
__

ace's post will be hilarious regarding this.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (/hCMk)

602 God-cursed chimptato hybrid.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (aaGzp)

603 Are people watching a different video than I am? The Finnish dancing PM thing is ... just lame.

Posted by: spindrift at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (h5TKJ)

604
Uh-oh. He's going to be ahead of me at any third-rate media outlet we both apply at.

Posted by: Allahpundit at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (IXpV7)

605 The town would be plagued by stabbings and hammer attacks.

Historically, again, that is not what happened. Its not like there weren't a half dozen examples of this playing out in the old west.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (Ivdso)

606 Depends on how it is done.
Buncha lone wolves can cause mayhem but not affect policy. Try to organize into an effective force and you'll get crushed in the crib by a CI.
Lots of people talk a good game but are in fact toothless dogs barking on the front porch hoping the bark will prevent any need to bite.

I'm not as optimistic as some about true resistance to tyranny here. More myth than reality, I'm afraid.
Posted by: Buddy at August 18, 2022 01:31 PM (MFphb)

There is a very specific reason they need to disarm the people first.
Half the country doesn't like something.. but we've already boiled it to a couple %.. a couple percent is a whole lot of people, make it less than 1%.. still a million.
Numbers 10 times the standing army needn't be efficient only determined.
It's only myth if you don't read. This sort of thing has happened on different scales and different times in history.

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (53oGX)

607 STELTER IS OUT AT CNN.

FLAMING POTATO TIME???
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (wtvvX)

It's schadenfreude time!

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (14URa)

608 600 STELTER IS OUT AT CNN.

FLAMING POTATO TIME???

Why?

He isn't the braintrust. He's the mouthpiece.

He'll just be replaced by another mouthpiece.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (OrVGM)

609 541 Yowza.

Check out this beautiful and fit woman doing a nice clean and jerk lift.

https://bit.ly/3A60k7r
Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2022 01:28 PM (eyxn4)

She is going to kill her back with her form... and other things.

+1

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (dNqv+)

610 Ace may have fainted from lack of blood flow caused by extreme schadenboner.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (yHsuS)

611 Totally fitting that Hayden's tweet was liked by Molly Jong-Fast, who will simultaneously tell you that the 2020 election was free and fair, and will detail how the Left stole the presidency.

Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (+r+VC)

612 Couple of things at play there. Ferdinand was preparing to give Serbs autonomy, but within the A-H empire.

1.) The Black Hand (correctly) feared this would be seen as a reasonable compromise, and squash the movement for full independence, which is what they wanted.

2.) Because fuck those Austrians.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (IXpV7)
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And things turned out well for Serbia, after the assassination, didn't they?

It really makes one wonder just how much of an inflection point the assassination of Ferdinand was.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (5pTK/)

613 There's nothing about needing more hookers that a culture is being destroyed by.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

Scarcity leads to higher prices and a generally less scabby grade of girl, so there's that.

Minimum Wage Whores might contribute mightily to the local medical profession though, so there's that too.

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (8erNz)

614 I am anti tyranny, be it local, state or federal gunmen trying to dictate to me.

Then in the theoretical mandatory brothel predicament, dictate it right back. If you're surrounded by like minded men, it won't be long before said sheriff meets his Battle of Athens moment.

If, however, you find that the vast majority of people don't have a problem with a little community minded pitch in at the local adult establishment ? Well, then maybe you're just out of step with the times.

What I'm seeing, already in our little mind experiment, is that just about everybody already has their little "exemptions" for self rule. Self rule as long as it suits them, and strict adherence to their own personal code when it don't. That's not self rule at all. That's self rule for a party of one.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (pMwL9)

615 Isnt this the scumbag closet muslim who prayed to mecca twice a day in his office

Posted by: Eli Cash at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (SN3Mt)

616 600 STELTER IS OUT AT CNN.

FLAMING POTATO TIME???

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 18, 2022 01:36 PM (wtvvX)

https://tinyurl.com/3e4nddv6
Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:37 PM (yHsuS)

Chuy: CRY HAVOK! AND LET SLIP THE HOGS OF WAR!!!!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (dNqv+)

617 Michael Hayden is also 77. That combined with two strokes does not lead to being moderate and restrained in one's speech.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (wvo9L)

618 The U.S. Army recently announced prototypes designed to "support" America's female soldiers where they need it: their bust-lines.

The design team came up with four different prototypes for the bra that it’s calling the "Army Tactical Brassiere," or ATB.

The garments include three pullover styles, and one zip-up style with adjustable Velcro straps and a zip front.

I'm sure men can wear it too.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (anj39)

619 Serfdom was a form of localized rather than centralized tyranny. Granted it wasn't achieved by voting but unconstrained democracy can easily turn into tyranny, as experienced by the Greeks.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (KcSkz)

620 The driver realized he was on the wrong road and stopped to make a u-turn which is when princip had his shot

Next time a random woman (a favorite type here) axes why men won't stop for directions, here's the answer.

There is also the tale of a fair-minded and benevolent pasha who was murdered while putting a toilet seat down. All things have reasons.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at August 18, 2022 01:40 PM (x61Im)

621 Cheney and Tater out within a couple days. I may have to see a Dr. about this erection.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 18, 2022 01:40 PM (qH6FZ)

622 The Finnish dancing PM thing is ... just lame.

Yeah she's pretty for a politician but its a dull video of thirty-something drunk women partying

Laws can be arbitrary and tyrannical. That's why Mark wants safeguards against it.

And if they are, the more local, small, and accountable a government is, the easier it is for the people there to negate it.

I'm not arguing for big government at the local level. I'm arguing for small government at all levels, with a little more flexibility the more local and accountable a government is.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:40 PM (Ivdso)

623 STELTER IS OUT AT CNN.

FLAMING POTATO TIME???
Posted by: Tex Lovera

lol, Just saw that.

Posted by: Infidel at August 18, 2022 01:40 PM (QgnTJ)

624 Ace should hire Stelter. Then we can make fun of his posts and roast him in the comments.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 01:40 PM (UuD2k)

625 God help us, we called it Bush Derangement Syndrome and then Trump DS, but a scary number of people, especially in the mandarin and FNM classes have Republican Derangement Syndrome (with carve outs for the Beltway insiders.)

*

The neat part will be watching the Democrats soon burning down sh*t and rejecting election results and how it will be noble and just and exactly what the Republic is based on.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 18, 2022 01:40 PM (FxoE4)

626 Reliable Potato seen wandering around in front of CNN with a cardboard box of office trinkets and a swingline stapler.

Posted by: micky at August 18, 2022 01:40 PM (3byMq)

627 619 Serfdom was a form of localized rather than centralized tyranny. Granted it wasn't achieved by voting but unconstrained democracy can easily turn into tyranny, as experienced by the Greeks.
Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (KcSkz)

Fucking Diocletian. OG technocrat.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at August 18, 2022 01:40 PM (dNqv+)

628 Brian Stelter, CNN’s Chief Media Correspondent and anchor of the Sunday morning media program "Reliable Sources," is set to leave CNN
........

Where's he going, Idaho?

Posted by: wth at August 18, 2022 01:41 PM (v0R5T)

629 505 Hayden's argument from authority isn't as persuasive as he thinks.
Posted by: mr tmz at August 18, 2022 01:22 PM (rJ48h)

The obliviousness almost is as dangerous as the genocidal/eliminationist rhetoric.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at August 18, 2022 01:41 PM (nMx88)

630 603 Are people watching a different video than I am? The Finnish dancing PM thing is ... just lame.
Posted by: spindrift at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (h5TKJ)
_____________

It's a relative scale. Imagine another female politician doing the same thing, Hillary Clinton for example....

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2022 01:41 PM (fs1hN)

631 is tater baked, roasted, or mashed?

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2022 01:41 PM (8erNz)

632 What I'm seeing, already in our little mind experiment, is that just about everybody already has their little "exemptions" for self rule. Self rule as long as it suits them, and strict adherence to their own personal code when it don't. That's not self rule at all. That's self rule for a party of one.
Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:39 PM (pMwL9)

We're not democrats. Democracy is not our end, voting is a process not the goal. Founders likewise had a low opinion of democracy.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:41 PM (KcSkz)

633 Brian Stelter, CNN’s Chief Media Correspondent and anchor of the Sunday morning media program "Reliable Sources," is set to leave CNN according to two sources. This is a developing story…check back...
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Predictable turn of events is predictable.

Still, funny.
==
Until he joins the Biden Administration as Communications Chief. Then its hilarious.

Posted by: VDH at August 18, 2022 01:41 PM (dnKKT)

634 Nood, not tater.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:41 PM (yHsuS)

635 Then in the theoretical mandatory brothel predicament, dictate it right back. If you're surrounded by like minded men, it won't be long before said sheriff meets his Battle of Athens moment.

If, however, you find that the vast majority of people don't have a problem with a little community minded pitch in at the local adult establishment ? Well, then maybe you're just out of step with the times.

Right, the community deciding how it wants to run its self is the point here. The larger the community gets, the more restraint is required to control the government.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:41 PM (Ivdso)

636 I recall my dad telling me that the USA has not had a good, reliable CIA asset in China since about 1955. I am thinking he was telling me that they were are all turned. Wish he was still around to discuss it further.

Posted by: Hairpin Turn Concrete Truck Collision Take Me Now at August 18, 2022 01:42 PM (E+PK5)

637
Ace should hire Stelter. Then we can make fun of his posts and roast him in the comments.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 01:40 PM (UuD2k)

Posts?

Nah. Ace should just post videos of himself (with his face blurred out, of course) flicking nickels at him while he dances to the Baby Elephant Walk.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 18, 2022 01:42 PM (IXpV7)

638 Well, at least he lasted longer than The Toobin.

Posted by: micky at August 18, 2022 01:42 PM (3byMq)

639 Tater is baked. I repeat, Tater is baked.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 18, 2022 01:42 PM (ZGrMX)

640 Notice how all these anti American pieces of shit have foreign names

Its as if they all grew up outside our country, dont understand our values, hate our culture and want to see the country destroyed.

Go fix your own shithole first asha. Then we will be in touch about letting you back in you worthless cunt.

Posted by: Eli Cash at August 18, 2022 01:42 PM (SN3Mt)

641
Tater:

I sense an epic cruel post is in the works.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 18, 2022 01:42 PM (jE276)

642 The town would be plagued by stabbings and hammer attacks.

Historically, again, that is not what happened. Its not like there weren't a half dozen examples of this playing out in the old west.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

1. See London for how it works in modern times.
2. In the old west, this was a temporary measure, designed to deter certain people from coming to town.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 01:42 PM (lTGtQ)

643 Nood has been pulled.

Prepare for taterocalypse.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:42 PM (yHsuS)

644 Depends on how it is done.

*

Man, there's a great sci-fi book called Wasp that's worth reading.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (4gkeO)

645 nood is gone, but don't worry, when it reappears, first has been taken.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (LvTSG)

646 Nood went bye bye?

Posted by: Archer at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (gmo/4)

647 Great disappearing nood.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (OrVGM)

648 630 603 Are people watching a different video than I am? The Finnish dancing PM thing is ... just lame.
Posted by: spindrift at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (h5TKJ)
_____________

It's a relative scale. Imagine another female politician doing the same thing, Hillary Clinton for example....

I just threw up a little bit. Seriously though while that video may not be anything, I'd do her in a second dead sober.

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (8erNz)

649 Noodus interruptus. I read the content, and now it's gone.

Posted by: 496 at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (U1eOr)

650 Ghost nood? I swear there was a new post, but then disappeared...

Posted by: PabloD at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (jvvca)

651 Quantum nood. Someone opened the box and it vanished.

Posted by: Splunge at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (cm/80)

652 A town plauged with shooting is cleaned up when the people doing the shooting are chased out or locked up. Disarming the people never resolves the issue

That's historically false. It worked in multiple towns across the old west, as proven by actual events. Part of the reason it worked is that the people who were murdering didn't want to give up their guns or face down someone like Wild Bill Hickock to try to keep them. So they left, or died.

It fulfilled its purpose and the ordinance was lifted.

But the point of my argument is not history so much as an example of the concept of power being allowed more broadly to government the more local and accountable it is.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 01:37 PM (Ivdso)

And there are a LOT of places, states even, that kept gun laws on the books to this very day. Hell, Seattle's ban on fixed blade knives dates back to just such a 'temporary' ordinance.

Wild Bill cleaned up Abiline and he didn't do it by disarming people. He did it by making everyone afraid of JB Hickock. And I can find you far more examples where such gun laws were used by unjust local law enforcement to protect their own crooked gangs.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (V6f9+)

653 Gone again, skip to my lou

Posted by: Archer at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (gmo/4)

654 Nood has been pulled.

Prepare for taterocalypse.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:42 PM (yHsuS)

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Oh no, there goes Idaho ...
Go, Go Spudzilla!

Posted by: ShainS -- VDH-Endorsed-by-Proxy Connoisseur of Cruelty at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (WtAgB)

655 Gosh, I wonder what the next post will be about?

Posted by: Splunge at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (cm/80)

656 Are people watching a different video than I am? The Finnish dancing PM thing is ... just lame.

**

Marginally attractive politicians are so rare that it seems special.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (4gkeO)

657 I got the nood pulled from under me.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (mE7cY)

658 Need pudding! Was the potato just fired????

Posted by: Winston at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (AwA84)

659 551 Christmas day or New Years day, Nashville. Right outside ATT office. Supposedly a fugitive from the FBI. Had a RV that was booby trapped to explode. Played a loudspeaker recorded message and countdown warning prior to explosion. Pretty big boom.

big badda boom?

Posted by: lilu dallas multipass at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (oY6Yp)

660 Man, there's a great sci-fi book called Wasp that's worth reading.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (4gkeO)

A very good how-to guide. Needs a modern update, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (V6f9+)

661 Gosh, I wonder what the next post will be about?
Posted by: Splunge at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (cm/80)
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Spatulas?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (5pTK/)

662 Founders likewise had a low opinion of democracy.

Which is why the checked it in various ways.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (ppBhU)

663 Stelter is out?!

STELTER IS OUT?!

Posted by: CNN at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (QYPq3)

664 Wow- that's the first time I've ever commented on a disappearing post. Mind blown!

Posted by: Moonbeam at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (rbKZ6)

665 Go fix your own shithole first asha. Then we will be in touch about letting you back in you worthless cunt.

Posted by: Eli Cash at August 18, 2022 01:42 PM (SN3Mt)

Not gonna happen.

She is your replacement.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (OrVGM)

666 TATER'S BEST JOB PROSPECTS:

1) DEVO roadie
2) Liz Cheney's poolboy
3) Carnival Freak
4) Ballast

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (wtvvX)

667 Ready your potato guns, men.

Posted by: Archer at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (gmo/4)

668 Dammit - I posted a pithy clown comment and everything...

Posted by: Heavy Meta at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (NgqoH)

669 Tater is gone...

Quick Ace! Write 600 words on this and be funny.

(no pressure)

Posted by: jwest at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (/BlEx)

670 Chuy got too excited and had to retire to his bunk for minute before the Spudacolypse post..

Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (+r+VC)

671 I was there.. then I was gone... where am I?

Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (53oGX)

672 Daily Mail is reporting he's out.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (NpAcC)

673 Stelter is out?!

STELTER IS OUT?!

Posted by: CNN at August 18, 2022 01:44 PM (QYPq3)

He's going to CNN plus-sized.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (yHsuS)

674 f, however, you find that the vast majority of people don't have a problem with a little community minded pitch in at the local adult establishment ? Well, then maybe you're just out of step with the times.
==
Tyranny of the majority smajority!!

Pish posh.

Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Posted by: the bill of rights, what's that again at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (89ZJV)

675 Did the last post disappear?

Posted by: Infidel at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (QgnTJ)

676 No link provided, but...

@stillgray
·
2m
Brian Stelter has been fired from CNN. Goodbye potato.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (IEa8U)

677 Unemployed Spud looking for work.

Will wash dishes or give blowjobs. Willing to work weekends.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (mE7cY)

678 Wow- that's the first time I've ever commented on a disappearing post. Mind blown!
Posted by: Moonbeam

*

Uh-oh. That's how people get banned.

(just kidding)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (4gkeO)

679 Here today, gone tomorrow.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (bhRsz)

680 DOWN GOES TATER. DOWN GOES TATER.

Posted by: Archer at August 18, 2022 01:46 PM (gmo/4)

681 Gutfeld offered Potato a job, already.

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at August 18, 2022 01:46 PM (QYPq3)

682
541
Technically the lift she is doing is called a snatch

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at August 18, 2022 01:46 PM (uW2OD)

683 >2m
Brian Stelter has been fired from CNN. Goodbye potato.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (IEa8U)

Someone's gotta give handies in the Port Authority bus terminal men's room.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at August 18, 2022 01:46 PM (NgqoH)

684 Did the last post disappear?

Posted by: Infidel at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM (QgnTJ)

Pulled for insufficient cruelty.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:46 PM (yHsuS)

685 678-
Uh-oh. That's how people get banned.

(just kidding)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Gas demand is below pandemic levels at August 18, 2022 01:45 PM

It was there! I swear to it. Not going in the barrel!

Posted by: Moonbeam at August 18, 2022 01:46 PM (rbKZ6)

686 tater grated, scattered and scorched

Posted by: REDACTED at August 18, 2022 01:46 PM (us2H3)

687 Renood.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 18, 2022 01:46 PM (yHsuS)

688 nood tater post

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 18, 2022 01:46 PM (V6f9+)

689 f'ing nood.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2022 01:47 PM (IEa8U)

690 Pretty sure ace already had a Tater fired or caught with little boy story ready. Just like the newspapers would have people's obituaries already drafted.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 18, 2022 01:47 PM (Y5qcH)

691 Quantum nood. Someone opened the box and it vanished.
Posted by: Splunge at August 18, 2022 01:43 PM (cm/80)

I tried to tell you assholes.

Posted by: Erwin Schrodinger at August 18, 2022 01:47 PM (bhRsz)

692 How do you fire Tater?

With a huge smile.

Posted by: motionview, a National Divorcee at August 18, 2022 01:47 PM (+r+VC)

693 If I was Ace, my next thread would be about The London Boys, just to fuck with us.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 18, 2022 01:47 PM (qH6FZ)

694 Stelter is out.

I really can't envision anyone hiring that useless pile of dog shit.

He'll probably start a very poorly received podcast though.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2022 01:47 PM (9XX1p)

695 Gutfeld offered Potato a job, already.

Posted by: In Reel Life

Don't put him in charge of the green room. All the food will disappear.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at August 18, 2022 01:47 PM (lTGtQ)

696 Schrodinger's Nood:

If you view it, it disappears

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 18, 2022 01:47 PM (wtvvX)

697 Marginally attractive politicians are so rare that it seems special.
________________

Imagine Clinton's and Biden's reactions when she shows up at a new NATO member meeting.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2022 01:47 PM (fs1hN)

698 TATER'S BEST JOB PROSPECTS:

1) DEVO roadie
2) Liz Cheney's poolboy
3) Carnival Freak
4) Ballast
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 18, 2022 01:44

5) minesweeper
6) foxhole sandbag

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 18, 2022 01:48 PM (89T5c)

699 nood potato

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at August 18, 2022 01:49 PM (yikp0)

700 There is an easier way to address subsidiarity without chucking in the concept that local tyrannies are better than national tyrannies.

That is natural rights accrue to individual and not to groups. Any group derived rights are inferior to the source and may be regulated.

So, in the hypothetical case that CRT made, the sheriff may not permissibly ban the carry of a firearm by an individual but the community can ban or regulate people selling them. That puts the onus on people in that political community to actually justify depriving themselves of ancillary rights without harming the individual's right to self defense as protected by a weapon. So, you can ban a Thuggee assembly without denying a Thuggee to have a personal adherence to the cult. It just so happens that that particular religious practices can be punished by death because it involves murdering someone else which is not protected and so on.

If you treat group rights as ancillary or as privileges and inferior to an individual's natural rights then a lot of the society versus individual rights goes away.

Posted by: whig at August 18, 2022 01:49 PM (CXr4y)

701 But...but...Chuck Grassley has been sending strongly worded letters for years now and Jim Jordan has talked to fourteen (14!!!!) ham and eggers at the FBI who are not happy about the raid.

The Republicans are doing all they can.

Posted by: JuJuBee, fact checker hammered by events at August 18, 2022 01:50 PM (X+DXM)

702 are we pretending that the CFO of the Trump Organization did not just plead guilty to q5 felonies?

Posted by: Paul at August 18, 2022 01:50 PM (hbTAS)

703 Waco: FBI tried to end the siege after 51 days by aggressively tear-gassing the Branch Davidian compound, set fires that killed more than 80 people, including 22 children.
C-SPAN Waco Investigation Day 1 Part 1 https://tinyurl.com/3k4m37ex

Ruby Ridge: During the standoff, an FBI sniper, attempting to hit the two men, instead shot and killed Weaver's wife as she held the couple's 10-month-old child.
C-SPAN Ruby Ridge Investigation Day 1 Part 1 https://tinyurl.com/ymynutad
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 18, 2022 12:47 PM (MFZ8i)

I've heard that the kill shot on Weaver's wife was intentional. They considered her the driving force behind Weaver or something. They keep telling me how super cool their snipers are, and there's a lot more room to miss everything than to 'accidentally' hit a woman holding a baby.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 18, 2022 01:50 PM (eoQWY)

704 We're not democrats. Democracy is not our end, voting is a process not the goal. Founders likewise had a low opinion of democracy.

Posted by: Someguy's at August 18, 2022 01:41 PM (KcSkz)

Fabulous, and I somewhat agree. But what I'm seeing is what I always see, all these clever philosophical cut-outs on this or that, and they always seem to conveniently line up with the author's personal preferences. Self rule for me, but not for thee.

Just about everybody here wants plenty of rules, so that they can have Law and Order. More than I prefer, to be honest. And they all want those rules to be exactly how they want them, without any wiggle room for the folks one town over to have anything different. Or even the need to move one town over, if the rules turn up a little different than they prefer.

That's not any kind of self rule that will work, except for that one person that gets to control all the rules. And that's tyranny.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:51 PM (pMwL9)

705 It's only myth if you don't read. This sort of thing has happened on different scales and different times in history.
Posted by: Inogame, non alius regit at August 18, 2022 01:38 PM (53oGX)

I read. I hope you're right.

Posted by: Buddy at August 18, 2022 01:52 PM (MFphb)

706 A, sadly rare, live sighting of AtC

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 18, 2022 01:52 PM (ITEMS)

707 Hayden warned Budh about 9/11
Don't you remember Condoleza Rice having to admit under oath receiving a report saying "Bin Laden determined to attack US with airplanes" did you forget that Ace?

Posted by: Paul at August 18, 2022 01:53 PM (hbTAS)

708 Its all a good lesson in why you don't abandon all restraint and ethics to fight an enemy. You have to have limits you will not cross or there's no point in even fighting against evil. If you're willing to be everything your opponent is and does, what makes you any different??
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 18, 2022 12:57 PM (Ivdso)

Nietzsche may have had some obscure quote about this

Posted by: Kindltot at August 18, 2022 01:54 PM (xhaym)

709 I knew the Finland PM was a party girl. But hearing the words doesn't have the same effect as seeing it on video.

What a completely unserious country.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 18, 2022 01:54 PM (5p7BC)

710 That is natural rights accrue to individual and not to groups. Any group derived rights are inferior to the source and may be regulated.

Hard pass. Too much ambiguity. Immediately turns into a pissing contest over who gets to control the official list of natural rights. Next thing you know, we'll have a big court using natural rights as the camels nose to get into the business of the community.

Posted by: Rinse and Repeat at August 18, 2022 01:55 PM (pMwL9)

711 And I agree with that sentiment. None of this nation building crap. Wage war violently, kill them all, rinse, repeat, until unfriendly nations understand messing with the US is a bad idea. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 18, 2022 12:58 PM (5pTK/)

Nation building might be a valid strategy, but not done by the army. England used to be pretty decent at running colonies, Rome managed a well once the rapacious governors sent out had some limits put on them. But it can't be done by our military - we would need a different group with actual doctrine for it developed.

Handcuffing the military with bad ROE and staffing the admin with pie in the sky idiots is never going to work.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 18, 2022 01:58 PM (eoQWY)

712 I've wondered if he's on VA disability.

He's stashed in the Chertoff Group - Enabling a More Secure World - where his job seems to be entertainment & distraction on the Sunday News & Hollywood circuits.

Posted by: Lola at August 18, 2022 02:05 PM (NIYa7)

713 These Deep State apparatchiks sure seem to be psychopaths gearing-up for some good old-fashioned pogroms of the untermenschen. The debate over whether they need to genocide 50% or 28% of the U.S. population is a nice touch.

These idiots are getting high off their own supply and are moving us towards civil war.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 18, 2022 02:16 PM (pJWtt)

714 Their plan/idea right now is to cut the head off the snake - Trump - and then declare us un-citizens. And there will be no one to fight or speak for us in the entire world, although some will certainly try.
And *anything* that is done to push back will be proof of the "danger within". That is the plan. That is what's happening.
Posted by: ... at August 18, 2022 12:18 PM (xjshH)
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A bit late. But if this is their plan they suck at implementation. They are on the edge of precipice. The Jan 6 didn't work. The DOJ thought inserting themselves on the RICO lawsuit for individual employees, with the Jan 6 investigations going would render Trump's legal actions moot. Instead Jan 6 hasn't helped at all - in a legal sense it actually has hurt them - and now the US govt is on the hook for the RICO actions. That's why they raided Mar a Lago. They are terrified. If they lose this, it will be easy for Trump or DeSantis to come in and eliminate whole sections of the DOJ - the only protected spot is the AG. The rest - poof. With no public sentiment to protect them. The US govt has reached the Ceaușescu moment. They know it. They bluster and blabber. But it butt pucker time for them.

Posted by: Black JEM at August 18, 2022 02:22 PM (xWZcb)

715 If you keep blaming people for things they didn't do - you know, like calling them worse than terrorists - pretty soon some of them are going to figure they've got nothing left to lose.

Then what are you going to do?

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at August 18, 2022 02:23 PM (TU8Tj)

716 Now do Lemon, make it a trifecta! Not that I even have CNN, lol.

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2022 02:55 PM (14URa)

717 oops

Posted by: Peaches at August 18, 2022 02:56 PM (14URa)

718 They might be Electric Monks in disguise as human beings
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Well, Allahpundit is certainly boring the dead horse he's always beating.

Posted by: Dodd at August 18, 2022 02:56 PM (nveO3)

719 They are on the edge of precipice. ... They are terrified. If they lose this, it will be easy for Trump or DeSantis to come in and eliminate whole sections of the DOJ - the only protected spot is the AG. The rest - poof. With no public sentiment to protect them. The US govt has reached the Ceaușescu moment. They know it. They bluster and blabber. But it butt pucker time for them.
Posted by: Black JEM at August 18, 2022 02:22 PM (xWZcb)

With Lizard Cheney getting the boot, the Deep State changed their position from "certain Republicans are extremists" to "all Republicans are extremists" pretty quickly. What is ironic is that they are backing the GOPe into a corner where the GOPe $h!t-weasels are no longer just worried about political survival, but personal survival. The Deep Sate is alienating the very politicians that are inclined to give them cover.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at August 18, 2022 03:03 PM (pJWtt)

720 " It is well past time for that app to die"

How about a tweet tax? A buck per tweet. To be paid by the tweeter.

Just trying to think like a progressive, here.

Posted by: Brett at August 18, 2022 03:22 PM (OEKpk)

721 390 What's an Asha Rangappa?
Posted by: wth at August 18, 2022 01:03 PM (v0R5T)
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$50, same as in town.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at August 18, 2022 03:32 PM (JNTt1)

722 Meanwhile the DNC invites the enemy to invade America and Biden buses them around and liberal Democrats whine where Texas sends them to New York City

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