White House Stenographer Tom Friedman Throws Zelenskyy and Ukraine Under the Bus, Calling Both Corrupt.
What Does It Mean?

Jordan Schachtel @ dossier.substack.com
@JordanSchachtel


Wow. The White House just threw Zelensky under the bus and ran him over, via NYT stenographer.


He points to Tom Friedman citing the White House's "deep mistrust" of Zelenskyy's, and the great corruption of the Ukraine.

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Julie Kelly
@julie_kelly2

Replying to @JordanSchachtel

Wait I'm told doubts about Churchillian Zelensky makes you pro-Putin and a traitor

Right, so why? I mean, it's true that Ukraine is corrupt, but we live in an Empire of Lies where the truth is forbidden and is only permitted to be spoken when it, coincidentally, and perversely, advances a Regime goal.

So why send out this errand boy? Why has this errand boy been sent out by grocery clerks to collect a bill?

What Regime goal is being perversely advanced by the truth here?

We had a similar Deep State hit on Zelenskyy a week or so back -- regarding Zelenskyy firing government officials the American Deep State apparently had on their payroll and thus did not want fired -- I think and I think it can be explained the same way: Zelenskyy is being told "You are being paid by us, you are our puppet, and we can replace you easily if you do not dance to our movement of your strings."

Jim Geraghty suggests two other possibilities: One is that the US Deep State has decided that Brandon's political fortunes cannot survive another half year or more of the "Putin Tax," and so they are pressuring Zelenskyy to make a quickie peace deal, which he's resisting.


Jim Geraghty
@jimgeraghty

Possibility one is that the Biden administration just wants the Ukraine-Russia war to end, and Zelensky isn't playing ball, so the administration is getting ready to leave Zelensky hanging out to dry.

Oh but wait I thought this was the war to save the Liberal Democratic Order and we would bear any burden no matter how high the price.

Unless the Democrats might lose more than 20 House seats in November, then it's a whole different story, I guess.

The other possibility he guesses at is that the Brain Trust at Langley has fivecast (which is like forecasting, only one better) that Ukraine has lost the war and they're preparing their scapegoat early, before everyone realizes the war is lost.

Jim Geraghty
@jimgeraghty


Possibility two is that the administration foresees the Ukraine-Russia war going badly, and is preparing to use Zelensky as a scapegoat - preparing to argue, "we did all we could, but Zelensky and the Ukrainians just weren't up to the task."

These are both very cynical readings of the United States government and especially its intelligence and foreign policy apparatus and I'm very sure neither are cynical enough.

It's gotta be worse than that.

Our government, and our Deep State, are not merely incompetent and cynical.

They are incompetent and evil.

I guess maybe the kickbacks aren't flowing back to DC promptly enough. The various "Big Guys" aren't getting their 10% payoffs.

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1 Bye Zelenski

Posted by: It's me donna at August 02, 2022 06:47 PM (bs+z0)

2 Deep State == admin state... stop funding them all.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 06:47 PM (MxUom)

3 They are signaling that an Afghanistan style 24 hour pullout is in the offing.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 02, 2022 06:50 PM (QSjkU)

4 Sounds like a cat fight is beginning or rats are positioning to bail fromthe sinking ship. Actually, its likely both of those.

But, fuck the Ukes in general, and that Zelinsky guy in particular.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 02, 2022 06:50 PM (ikkIg)

5 I trust no one and nothing from the leaders and cabal.

They are evil, ugly and stupid.

And they hate America.

Get ready for more OPs.

Posted by: Czech Chick at August 02, 2022 06:50 PM (haWye)

6 So the Vogue thing was too much?

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 02, 2022 06:50 PM (oWBc3)

7 Can we get a refund on the US taxpayer $billions that he got now?

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 02, 2022 06:50 PM (sVtYq)

8 It might relate to arms we have the Ukes being sold on the black market, as are black market Uke grain shipments.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 02, 2022 06:51 PM (V6f9+)

9 Volodymyr Zelenskyy you are my Hero! MY HERO!

Posted by: Ben Stiller - now with more douche at August 02, 2022 06:51 PM (v0R5T)

10 This will really throw the #IStandWith... crowd in a tizzy. What will errybody do with their blue/yellow solidarity flags???

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 02, 2022 06:52 PM (sVtYq)

11 I'm guessing Dark Brandon didn't get his 10%

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 02, 2022 06:52 PM (nIyu9)

12 This was a topic here over the weekend. European media outlets are reporting things are going badly for Ukraine.

I saw reports that the Ukrainians are running out of manpower - the Russians are grinding them down.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 06:52 PM (llXky)

13 Does this mean "We will support Ukraine for long as it takes" now has an expiration date? I hope so. The sooner the better.

Posted by: Gref at August 02, 2022 06:53 PM (AMIL/)

14 WTF is sponge? Wasn't he supposed to be FIRST?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 02, 2022 06:53 PM (QSjkU)

15 A giant with feet of clay.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 02, 2022 06:53 PM (FVME7)

16 This is reminding me a lot of what I've read of the background to the Vietnam War. McNamara and co. were all gung ho about going in, got us all involved and then realized there were huge problems with the South Vietnamese Gov't - but we were already in and couldn't disentangle ourselves. Well you know how that all turned out.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 06:53 PM (trdmm)

17 Can we get a refund on the US taxpayer $billions that he got now?
Posted by: Lady in Black

How many of his homes are in the USA?
We can grab them the same way Russian citizen's yachts were 'confiscated' (all over the world for that matter).

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 06:54 PM (MxUom)

18 "we did all we could, but Zelensky and the Ukrainians just weren't up to the task."
.........

Joe is not positioning Zelenskyy for success.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 06:54 PM (v0R5T)

19 No kidding, when did he get on the boat?

Posted by: Skip at August 02, 2022 06:54 PM (k8B25)

20 Germany is not going to freeze to death for the Ukraine.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 06:54 PM (llXky)

21 Do they expect the Ukraine to stay quiet for this treatment?

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2022 06:54 PM (iW8nX)

22 Cleanup on Aisle Midterms?

Funny how Zawahiri was suddenly "found" in Kabul.

Posted by: Ultra pj at August 02, 2022 06:54 PM (G1dq6)

23 My theory has been that after the Afghan debacle, the admin needed a foreign policy "win" to repair their reputation. They figured that they could drum up a crisis with Russia, act tough, and eventually negotiate some sort of deal with Putin. Instead, they screwed up and pushed him into a corner where he had to invade. Once that happened, the hope was for a quick, limited war. Instead, the Russians have demonstrated their incompetence, and Zelenskyy, rather than fleeing, decided to stay in Kiev. The Ukr gov didn't collapse, and the war is rapidly turning into a stalemate with the US and allies forced to honor promises made to help Ukraine continue the fight. But, doing so means that the US and Europe have to eat a bunch of shit.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (wmDcS)

24
I guess maybe the kickbacks aren't flowing back to DC promptly enough. The various "Big Guys" aren't getting their 10% payoffs.

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Probably correct, at least in part. Zelensky can scarcely afford the Big Guy at the moment, and he's no angel himself. Too many 10%s to go around, and maybe Dark Brandon pulls the plug, capiche?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (IXpV7)

25 What would Zelensky refuse? His goal of fighting to the last Ukrainian is well advanced, but his problem is the surrender at Mariupol. His troops will be a lot less interested in fighting at the behest of actual hardcore tattooed Nazis who surrendered to the Russians. And even if the Ukrainian Army enjoyed infinitely high morale, that doesn't keep you safe from artillery. Logistically Kherson is a terrible place to liberate from Russia, and only a fool would think Russia is seriously intimidated there after holding it for half the year.

This is simple: the West correctly fears a Russian breakthrough, even goddamned Joe Biden now knows Zelensky is a bullshitting charlatan, and the WEF is getting ready to pin it all on the corrupt "Ukrainian" government.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (u8Evt)

26 I'm going with Russia is winning and they need a scapegoat. The economic sanctions have been a failure. Russia has most of the territory it wants and is settling in to hold it. Europe is going to freeze, literally. Finally, we cannot keep supplying the Ukrainians at the current level.

Posted by: WiNO at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (EpDzw)

27 "Empire of lies." Great book. Andrew Klavan rocks.

His book "The Great Good Thing." is very good too. Apparently for Jews to believe in Jesus, he has to visit them.

Same thing with Roy Schoeman.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (C1rbv)

28 WTF is sponge? Wasn't he supposed to be FIRST?
Posted by: Xipe Totec

Never fear, he will be FIRST!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (MxUom)

29 There were actually people who thought Ukraine could win. Let that sink in a bit.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (oWBc3)

30 10>> Errybuddy with a blue and yellow flag on their social media account and/or on their lapel should roundly mocked and shunned as the fools and dupes they are.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (ikkIg)

31 So...we gonna get our stuff back?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (WrepH)

32 Zelensky is losing as some of us said he would from day 1. I don't think it's a lot more complicated than that.

Now they are trying to distance themselves from the failure they created. DC in a nutshell.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (ZLI7S)

33 This will really throw the #IStandWith... crowd in a tizzy. What will errybody do with their blue/yellow solidarity flags???
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 02, 2022 06:52 PM (sVtYq)

I stand with Monkey Pox. Er, Monkey Pox vaccine. Eh, Monkey Pox 'masks'?

Posted by: DaisyB at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (AbL8c)

34 Zelensky is a dead man walking. Should take his money and hide elsewhere.

Posted by: WeBoned! at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (8k7U7)

35 There was a big news report last week about the massive levels of corruption in Ukraine, and the week before that about the tons of munitions sold to Pakistan that crashed in a jet.

The other possibility he guesses at is that the Brain Trust at Langley has fivecast (which is like forecasting, only one better) that Ukraine has lost the war and they're preparing their scapegoat early, before everyone realizes the war is lost.

I believe this is accurate. The federal government mob has realized that they cannot salvage the Ukraine operation and are cutting their losses by setting up a scapegoat.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (Ivdso)

36 DOJ wrapping up the 'Hunter' investigation? He'll walk with a slap on the wrist & continuing care for mental illness and addictions & Zelensky's value will fall?

Posted by: Lola at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (NIYa7)

37 We already got paid, so no. No refunds

Posted by: Northrup Gruman at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (C1rbv)

38 Hmmm. Firing prosecutors in Ukraine?
Sounds vaguely familiar.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (v0R5T)

39 Possibility 3, the EU is not willing to freeze it's ass off this winter to protect Zelensky. Russia holds the winning hand here.

"For as long as it takes" Hahaha.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 02, 2022 06:57 PM (iJ48F)

40 I will selflessly agree to take responsibility for the care of any hot Ukrainian refugees under the age of 40. No strings of course, just the goodness in me pumpin' gizzard.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 02, 2022 06:57 PM (QSjkU)

41 Rootin For Putin!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 02, 2022 06:57 PM (R/m4+)

42 elensky is a dead man walking. Should take his money and hide elsewhere.
Posted by: WeBoned! at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (8k7U7)
.......

He can stay at Ben Stiller's house.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 06:57 PM (v0R5T)

43 There were actually people who thought Ukraine could win. Let that sink in a bit.

The same ones who thought that Russia methodically achieving all its stated objectives was "a quagmire".

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2022 06:57 PM (iW8nX)

44 Zelenskyy, for his part, isn't stupid. People mocked the Vogue photoshoot, but it's actually a smart move. He understands that he needs the support of the western population to put pressure on their governments to continue to provide weapons and equipment. That means using theater and image to create a movement that people want to be a part of. Much like Trump, he understands how to wield a public persona as a weapon.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 02, 2022 06:58 PM (wmDcS)

45 32 Zelensky is losing as some of us said he would from day 1. I don't think it's a lot more complicated than that.

Now they are trying to distance themselves from the failure they created. DC in a nutshell.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (ZLI7S)

The Ukes will PROBABLY lose but they're fighting well, inflicting a lot of casualties. But they don't have the capability to take back land from the Russians. Unless one side or the other gives up...and Slavs are stubborn...this attrition is going to grind on and on until one side runs out of troops.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 02, 2022 06:58 PM (V6f9+)

46 8 It might relate to arms we have the Ukes being sold on the black market, as are black market Uke grain shipments.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 02, 2022 06:51 PM (V6f9+)


Yup, DC not getting a share of the black market $ales.

Posted by: davidt at August 02, 2022 06:58 PM (oTZbj)

47 Definitely something funny with the Deep State/Ukraine relationship. I remember being baffled about why Trump was impeached over an innocuous phone call involving Ukraine. Only realized later that it was all bound up with Ukraine being a major, possibly the major source of graft for the grifters. That's why they freaked.

Posted by: Splunge at August 02, 2022 06:58 PM (cm/80)

48 Now they are trying to distance themselves from the failure they created. DC in a nutshell.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (ZLI7S)

But will it work? Successive defeats in Ukraine and Afghanistan will end with people wondering, "holy fuck, so it was all lies? We lost a preposterous amount of money -for nothing?- That's it. Audit the entire money trail."

They could have survived only one defeat before the midterms, but not two, I think.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 06:58 PM (u8Evt)

49 I hope the Ukrainians kick the Russians' asses because no one deserves to be under the Russian boot and because I think Russian Empire 3.0 is a really terrible idea all around.

"But Burisima! WEF! Globohomo! Euro Fags!"

No. No Russian Empire getting the band back together. I don't care about what party is on power in the USA or which personality holds what office.

Posted by: Mikey NTH The Outrage Outlet is Stocked With Vexation and Ire. at August 02, 2022 06:59 PM (HfND3)

50 I think more than anything things are broken, even the junta knows this, and they know they broke it and if the trajectory continues things will spin out of their control.

They are more than likely seeking relative stability in the short term to realize their fundamental transformation in the long term.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 02, 2022 06:59 PM (5jrx5)

51 I believe this is accurate. The federal government mob has realized that they cannot salvage the Ukraine operation and are cutting their losses by setting up a scapegoat.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (Ivdso)

The political problem for Biden and Co. is that there is no way to credibly back out now, not so far as the voting public is concerned. After pumping all of those billions in, and making endless speeches about Preserving Democracy and all that bilge, a loss now is going to be be seen - *especially* by the LIV's - as one of the greatest foreign policy debacles in US History. There's no way out of that - Biden and Co. went "All-In" with Ukraine, and this is what happens when you lose your "all-in" bet.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 06:59 PM (trdmm)

52 What this means is that Europe is in for a sea of hurt energy-wise in the coming winter and some time to come. Cocky Putin, after crushing Ukraine will turn his sights westwards.

Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 02, 2022 07:00 PM (nvlRQ)

53 27 "Empire of lies." Great book. Andrew Klavan rocks.

His book "The Great Good Thing." is very good too. Apparently for Jews to believe in Jesus, he has to visit them.

Same thing with Roy Schoeman.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (C1rbv)

C. S Lewis talked about how God 'stalked and seized' him. Some Atheists are not permitted unbelief.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at August 02, 2022 07:00 PM (V6f9+)

54 I like Putin. He loves his country and refuses to be cowtowed by Globo Homo.

Posted by: Northrup Gruman at August 02, 2022 07:00 PM (C1rbv)

55
There were actually people who thought Ukraine could win. Let that sink in a bit.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (oWBc3)

If Kiev is forced to a settlement soon, and the media decides to hang it on Zelensky, it'll be fun to watch the Current Thing spasm.

All these people will pull down their faggy flags and mostly pretend they don't even remember it. But the ones in the media will have to go from "If Zelensky fucks me to death with his veiny Uke boner, I can die happy. Slava Ukaraini!!11!1!" to "Zelensky is a goddamn monster and he let us all down! Death to Zelensky!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 02, 2022 07:00 PM (IXpV7)

56 This grounds for impeachment!!!

Posted by: LtCol Bearclaw Vindman at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (LaNzR)

57 Lets see... the champion of Democracy has outlawed the Russian language... which 1/3 of his country speaks. Then used that to outlaw political parties and Media organizations that disagree with him...

And thrown political opponents in Jail, while trying to put the old ELECTED President of his country, on trial, for Treason (wow, why does that sound familiar).

While selling some of the arms the US gave him... to other countries... the arms that we have stripped from our own supply bases, and even (according to some reports) from the stockpiles of Active Duty Units.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (oHd/0)

58 He points to Tom Friedman citing the White House's "deep mistrust" of Zelenskyy's, and the great corruption of the Ukraine.
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Hardest hit: Ukrainian decal/flag vendors.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (dx9uU)

59 Ukraine cannot win, period. Americans think the Reds losing 15-20k troops is a problem because we think about how we would view the same. That's not Russian war doctrine, and once they settled into what they know - and believe me they know field artillery - it was game over.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (oWBc3)

60 Off war profiteers sock.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (C1rbv)

61 What does it mean?

They're NUTS! They're crazy in the coconuts!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (K5n5d)

62 only a fool would trust America under a democrat administration. that goes for national leaders all the way down to military recruits.

Posted by: x at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (ZC2go)

63 Hey hey now.

Dark Brandon rose to his feet and declared that Mad Putin must not, cannot be allowed to remain in power.

Dark Brandon always gets his man.

Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (ZlxOI)

64 If a bunch of that Ukraine aid was kicked back to the Deep State types, Zelensky may be thinking he's got a fairly good blackmail option for keeping the Biden admin in line.

Posted by: Splunge at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (cm/80)

65 I'm a regular rube and from day one I knew this was a total scam. A money laundering scam through a very corrupt Ukraine.

But Crenshaw and celebrities had photo shoots with Zelensky so the masses put up Ukraine flags in their yards.

Eff off government, you're paid for scum.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 02, 2022 07:02 PM (9M3Vu)

66 >>They could have survived only one defeat before the midterms, but not two, I think.

I really question how many Americans even care anymore. War has become a distant distraction carried out by other people and our spending has become so obscene when they start talking about another $40 billion almost nobody blinks an eye.

It's like another TV series people had hopes for in the early days turned out to be a dud. Oh well, cancel it and move on to the next shiny object.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 02, 2022 07:02 PM (ZLI7S)

67 I just read the book Red Notice, and it pretty much explains why the Russians don't want western influence in Ukraine. Or anywhere nearby.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:02 PM (v0R5T)

68 Now, what are the fucking idiot teachers gonna do with their Ukraine flags?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 02, 2022 07:02 PM (LCpB6)

69 That means using theater and image to create a movement that people want to be a part of. Much like Trump, he understands how to wield a public persona as a weapon.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 02, 2022 06:58 PM (wmDcS)

In theory, but despite the months of proclaiming that Zelensky is the Slavic Churchill, his performance has been more like Churchill's Gallipoli. Plus the fact is that the Current Thing crowd who like Vogue are not going to back down on Ukraine. But the people who are already worried about inflation/ globalism just see an oligarchy fraud posing for elite New York magazines, and turn to -despising- the Ukrainian cause for being indistinguishable from the globalist plan.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:02 PM (u8Evt)

70 If Zman gets thrown under the bus, does he flip the dead man switch?


Corrupt $ kickbacks, bio-weapon labs, who knows what...

Posted by: davidt at August 02, 2022 07:03 PM (oTZbj)

71 Well you know how that all turned out.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 06:53 PM (trdmm)

An US Army Colonel wrote a book, On Strategy, about the war and where the US messed up. In general, his case is that since the US would not or could not for political reasons invade North Vietnam, we needed to do what we did in Korea. So, we should have created a buffer between North and South, and mainly let the South Vietnamese gov't handle the insurgency. Sure the South wasn't great, but they were doing a decent job. Cut off from the North, the insurrection would have collapsed. Fighting an insurgency was not the strength of the US army and it made it more costly.

Posted by: WiNO at August 02, 2022 07:03 PM (EpDzw)

72 52 What this means is that Europe is in for a sea of hurt energy-wise in the coming winter and some time to come. Cocky Putin, after crushing Ukraine will turn his sights westwards.
Posted by: President Select Decaf at August 02, 2022 07:00 PM (nvlRQ)

Also with countries outlawing most modern fertilyzers, and Ukes being offline for food exports?

/shakes magic 8 ball

Cold and Hungry Winter...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:03 PM (oHd/0)

73 Can only think Zawahiri who was probably hiding in Pakistan thought this detant between Sundowner administration and Al-Qaeda was signal to move back to Afghanistan some time ago and the Sundowner administration needed a lift.

Posted by: Skip at August 02, 2022 07:03 PM (k8B25)

74 I have a favor to ask -- having sold my house in Yucca Valley, CA, I temporarily don't have a place to sleep, and I'm pooped. Anyone have a bed I could crash in?

Posted by: Amber Heard at August 02, 2022 07:03 PM (a3Q+t)

75 "They are incompetent and evil."

The Five Truest Words To Describe Democrats Ever Stated.

Posted by: Democrats: Raping The Children We Cannot Kill Since 1973! at August 02, 2022 07:03 PM (jV+aN)

76 the great corruption of the Ukraine.

Well they should know.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 02, 2022 07:04 PM (yQpMk)

77 Now, what are the fucking idiot teachers gonna do with their Ukraine flags?

"Go, UCLA!"

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2022 07:04 PM (iW8nX)

78 Hey hey now.

Dark Brandon rose to his feet and declared that Mad Putin must not, cannot be allowed to remain in power.

Dark Brandon always gets his man.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (ZlxOI)
........

That's why Putin's right arm is sore, they had an arm wrestling match for all the marbles.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:04 PM (v0R5T)

79 54 I like Putin. He loves his country and refuses to be cowtowed by Globo Homo.
Posted by: Northrup Gruman at August 02, 2022 07:00 PM (C1rbv)
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Right there with you.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 02, 2022 07:04 PM (9M3Vu)

80 When the meds wear off, Dark Brandon goes dark. Nappy time in nappies.

Posted by: Splunge at August 02, 2022 07:04 PM (cm/80)

81 Dark Brandon...because his lights have definitely gone out.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 02, 2022 07:04 PM (sVtYq)

82 If Kiev is forced to a settlement soon....
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Only a bigoted Trump-lover would use 'Kiev', rather than 'Kyiv'.

Posted by: I Stand With Ukraine at August 02, 2022 07:04 PM (kPbVu)

83 You saw it here first (MUST CREDIT A.H. LLOYD):

Pope Francis is going through central Asia. He will make an "unscheduled" stop in Moscow and meet with the Patriarch.

Together they will propose an immediate cease-fire, which Putin will accept.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (llXky)

84 All you Russian empire boogeyman hunters should prepare yourselves that maybe, just maybe this was an action to defend Russian borders from NATO and US aggression. This ain't our father's USA anymore folks.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (oWBc3)

85 The staggering incompetence of this administers of congress in general is mind-boggling. How we have avoided a mushroom cloud is amazing.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (WrepH)

86 Posted by: WiNO at August 02, 2022 07:03 PM (EpDzw)

Uh.... guys a dolt. Korea was bounded by Oceans on TWO sides... making a front possible.

South Viet Nam was surrounded on three sides, by land... they were going through Laos and Cambodia throughout the war.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (oHd/0)

87 Mumble all you wish about Ukraine corruption, what I see here is the stubborn refusal of Ukraine to give up.

Nobody expected what has played out, Ivan getting his ass flat kicked. This is a 3rd rate military you're seeing, the result of years of corruption, slipshod maintenance, poor training, substandard personnel, poor equipment and tactics plus abysmal logistics.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (KATBx)

88 I watched "The Four Feathers" last night. English cavalry. "The War Horse" showed what happened to them, in bloody detail.

Put me in the Artillary.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (C1rbv)

89 Sure, they say this NOW, $600B later...
When this whole thing went down I predicted a long drawn out slug fest with a lot of lives and treasure lost, but that Russia would prevail. Sure, a lot of mistakes were made (same as with our own Civil War), but the results would be the same, a war of attrition.
The bad news is that we never had the money we gave to them. We had to borrow it. So, guess who is on the hook for that?
Look in the mirror.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, on a windy bluff at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (jTmQV)

90 Dark Brandon...because his lights have definitely gone out.
Posted by: Lady in Black
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Dim Brandon

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (kPbVu)

91 74 I have a favor to ask -- having sold my house in Yucca Valley, CA, I temporarily don't have a place to sleep, and I'm pooped. Anyone have a bed I could crash in?
Posted by: Amber Heard at August 02, 2022 07:03 PM (a3Q+t)

No. You aren't house broken.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (QSjkU)

92 It's like another TV series people had hopes for in the early days turned out to be a dud.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 02, 2022 07:02 PM


This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: The Chronicles of Jar Jar Binks at August 02, 2022 07:06 PM (a3Q+t)

93 I expect the neocons will soon begin crying about how we have betrayed Ukraine the same as Afghanistan.

Posted by: WiNO at August 02, 2022 07:06 PM (EpDzw)

94 Don't believe any of the shit you read about Ukraine vs. Russia.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:06 PM (C1rbv)

95 this is dumb:

"Jim Geraghty suggests two other possibilities: One is that the US Deep State has decided that Brandon's political fortunes cannot survive another half year or more of the "Putin Tax," and so they are pressuring Zelenskyy to make a quickie peace deal, which he's resisting."

The only one who wants this war are the DIE CRT ESG whatever woke military suppliers (who republicans love even though they will not hire us).

Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom Speaker-EdD Intersectional Dynamics at August 02, 2022 07:06 PM (OuH7W)

96 Nevelle Biden.............

My good friends, I have come back from Russia to Washington regarding peace in Ukraine with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Now I recommend you go home, and sleep quietly in your beds

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (LrYuZ)

97 Biden Justice Department sues Idaho over State's abortion restrictions in first post-Dobbs lawsuit
https://tinyurl.com/44vnhn8u

Posted by: Ciampino - I thought Staes could not be sued at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (qfLjt)

98 just maybe this was an action to defend Russian borders from NATO and US aggression.

Tovarich! What's forty-six blo-weapons labs on your border between friends?

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (iW8nX)

99 > What Regime goal is being perversely advanced by the truth here?

Everyone was able to get enough of their money out of Ukraine, so now they can give Ukraine to Putin?

Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (eyxn4)

100 Nobody expected what has played out, Ivan getting his ass flat kicked. This is a 3rd rate military you're seeing, the result of years of corruption, slipshod maintenance, poor training, substandard personnel, poor equipment and tactics plus abysmal logistics.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (KATBx)

And... they're methodically winning everything they said they wanted. Yup. Pretty shitty.

Posted by: MkY at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (cPGH3)

101 Plus the fact is that the Current Thing crowd who like Vogue are not going to back down on Ukraine.
Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:02 PM (u8Evt)

LMAO. The NPCs will be updated with new code as soon as the media/regime release it.

Twitter will go from Uke flags on every blue check's name to zero in a matter of hours.

Posted by: ballistic at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (oXNqT)

102 Maybe we should send Dark Brandon with his Dark Laser eyes to Ukraine.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (/O68W)

103 I think it is simple. No one in government wants to do any hard work. They just want to show up and collect those big paychecks and go to fancy parties and get lots of free perks. War and governing is hard work. You actually have to think about problems and find solutions. They just want to hire others, form commissions and put off actually working. That is why they don't even read legislation. Let the peons in their offices, the 20 something's who don't know it is just a grifter's game do the work.
Am I cynical? I believe I am.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (Y+l9t)

104
Nobody expected what has played out, Ivan getting his ass flat kicked. This is a 3rd rate military you're seeing, the result of years of corruption, slipshod maintenance, poor training, substandard personnel, poor equipment and tactics plus abysmal logistics.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (KATBx)

Chechnya, Georgia, and Abkhazia were good indicators of what would happen. But all were subdued in the end. This sort of thing has been a pattern in Russian military history for a long time.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (IXpV7)

105 It's like another TV series people had hopes for in the early days turned out to be a dud. Oh well, cancel it and move on to the next shiny object.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 02, 2022 07:02 PM (ZLI7S)

That's actually a great explanation for Disney's woes as much as America's, but yes. The few Heritage Americans reluctantly backing Biden thanks to Cold War fumes are going to be genuinely shocked if Ukraine collapses before November. Stretched until 2024 the whole thing might survive scrutiny, but definitely not if Ukraine and Europe collapse as Russia turns off the taps.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (u8Evt)

106 Bye Zelenski
Posted by: It's me donna at August 02, 2022 06:47 PM (bs+z0)



I feel ya, brother.

Posted by: Ngo Dinh Diem at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (yQpMk)

107 so, if the kremlinologists see a need to end the Russian War, well...then maybe the US would stop being the lone holdout to negotiations.

Zelensky knows he's not immortal and shit could happen anyday. How corrupt do you want to be if you might get murked inside a month?

Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom Speaker-EdD Intersectional Dynamics at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (OuH7W)

108 43 There were actually people who thought Ukraine could win. Let that sink in a bit.

The same ones who thought that Russia methodically achieving all its stated objectives was "a quagmire".

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2022 06:57 PM (iW8nX)


The Modern Media and most politicians have a bad track record on predictions about big military operations. Example: From October 1991 until six hours after the Desert Storm air campaign started, all of the media outlets and half of the politicians in this country believed Iraqi claims that the coalition forces would suffer a humiliating defeat after Iraqi forces inflicted hundreds of thousands of casualties.

Posted by: Gref at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (AMIL/)

109 "So why send out this errand boy? Why has this errand boy been sent out by grocery clerks to collect a bill"

Because the vaunted Uke army is a myth. I know people who returned from in country saying it's just about over except for the UC part.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (tDEa7)

110 An US Army Colonel wrote a book, On Strategy, about the war and where the US messed up. In general, his case is that since the US would not or could not for political reasons invade North Vietnam, we needed to do what we did in Korea. So, we should have created a buffer between North and South, and mainly let the South Vietnamese gov't handle the insurgency. Sure the South wasn't great, but they were doing a decent job. Cut off from the North, the insurrection would have collapsed. Fighting an insurgency was not the strength of the US army and it made it more costly.

Posted by: WiNO at August 02, 2022 07:03 PM (EpDzw)
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The thing is, we actually beat the insurgency. The North Vietnamese used tanks to drive to Hanoi and the Dem Congress forbade any additional supplies.

South Vietnam fell to conventional forces, and the Dems wanted to see it happen.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (llXky)

111 It's like another TV series people had hopes for in the early days turned out to be a dud. Oh well, cancel it and move on to the next shiny object.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 02, 2022 07:02 PM (ZLI7S)

I have noticed more and more this year, when I talk to people who generally profess to be uninterested in politics and do not follow closely, there is still a definite rising tide of anger and disgust at, well, everything. There's disgust at the way Covid was handled, disgust at the tranny movement taking over everything, disgust at oil prices soaring, disgust at inflation and the economy cratering. It's not one thing, but taken together the only similar time I've seen was the 1979 - 1980 period. And yet the feel of what's happening now is an entire order of magnitude more angry - more dangerous - than that period was.

Everything, and everyone, feels like we are building to a blowout soon.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (trdmm)

112 On the plus side, Zalensky can star in his own Downfall video.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (Spr0s)

113 Afghanistan and Ukraine = Biden's Vietnam in 1975

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (LrYuZ)

114 88 I watched "The Four Feathers" last night. English cavalry. "The War Horse" showed what happened to them, in bloody detail.

Put me in the Artillary.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (C1rbv)

Yeah, my Grandfather was in Artillery in France in WW1.

Breathing issues due to getting a 'whiff of gas'... and mostly deaf...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (oHd/0)

115 Does this mean we can get back to spelling Kiev as Kiev?

Posted by: NCKate at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (2oJif)

116 104 Chechnya, Georgia, and Abkhazia were good indicators of what would happen. But all were subdued in the end. This sort of thing has been a pattern in Russian military history for a long time.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (IXpV7)


Disposable soldiers. Is there anything they can't do?

Posted by: Splunge at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (cm/80)

117 Am I cynical? I believe I am.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM


You are far too young to be so cynical.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (a3Q+t)

118 I think the west making a bitter enemy of Putin was a stupid, unforced error.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (Ivdso)

119 "They are incompetent and evil."

The Five Truest Words To Describe Democrats Ever Stated.
Posted by: Democrats: Raping The Children
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Not a good combination, and we are along for the ride.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (kPbVu)

120 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (T4tVD)

121 Tom Servo I feel the same thing out there

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (w0NJk)

122 Whoops! Should be- Example: From October 1990 (not 1991)

Posted by: Gref at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (AMIL/)

123 Nobody expected what has played out, Ivan getting his ass flat kicked. This is a 3rd rate military you're seeing, the result of years of corruption, slipshod maintenance, poor training, substandard personnel, poor equipment and tactics plus abysmal logistics.
Posted by: irongrampa at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (KATBx)

Stop listening to the propaganda. The Russians are winning and have pretty much gotten what they wanted. They weren't perfect about it and war is never perfect. The fact though is Russia is achieving their objectives.

Posted by: WiNO at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (EpDzw)

124 Ivan gets his ass kicked and comes back with a vengence.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (C1rbv)

125 You know Ukraine can't really collapse until Biden sends in a lot of US military advisors to get trapped there.

Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2022 07:10 PM (MpUW0)

126 Well, it looks like Russia will largely achieve it's objectives in less than 6 months of fighting.

So to tally it up, Putin has taken Georgia, The Crimea and will likely annex Western Ukraine all within the last twenty years all under Presidents not named Trump in in a total of 1 year of fighting.

Not bad for a country with less than 2pct of the GDP of all NATO countries combined.

There is a lesson to be learned here.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 02, 2022 07:10 PM (5jrx5)

127 Put me in the Artillary.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM


You know you have to get your legs tattooed red, right?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 02, 2022 07:10 PM (a3Q+t)

128 This is a 3rd rate military you're seeing, the result of years of corruption, slipshod maintenance, poor training, substandard personnel, poor equipment and tactics plus abysmal logistics.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (KATBx)
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You know this applies to Ukraine as well, right?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:10 PM (llXky)

129 bio-weapon labs,
Posted by: davidt

A more effective Monkeypox?
Oh, No!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:10 PM (MxUom)

130 90 Dark Brandon...because his lights have definitely gone out.
Posted by: Lady in Black
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Dim Brandon

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (kPbVu)
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Blacklight Brandon?

Posted by: Ciampino - It will show all the spunk on his face at August 02, 2022 07:10 PM (qfLjt)

131 The "west"?

Globo Homo has made Putin their enemy and he will not forget."

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (C1rbv)

132 what's all this Brown Brandon stuff?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (w0NJk)

133
Ukraine Corrupt? When did this happen?

Posted by: Inspector Clouseau at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (+oR7L)

134 I suspect that Ukraine could have fought off Russia if they had spent more time fighting and equipping troops and less time having a gigantic months-long dark open market with US arms.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (Ivdso)

135 MacGregor said the war was lost, Zelensky was corrupt...but suggested we send Pelosi for as long as it takes. Smart man

Posted by: CN, the deer-hater at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (VuQO/)

136 Twitter will go from Uke flags on every blue check's name to zero in a matter of hours.
Posted by: ballistic at August 02, 2022 07:07 PM (oXNqT)

Well, THAT is already happening, true enough. But there are certainly enough NPCs who still believe in Zelensky, and I don't think the regime can do a 180 on expectations in Ukraine without seriously weakening itself among defense industry types.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (u8Evt)

137 "We had a similar Deep State hit on Zelenskyy a week or so back -- regarding Zelenskyy firing government officials the American Deep State apparently had on their payroll and thus did not want fired"
=====================================

Who dis? This I missed it!

Posted by: geewhiz at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (XjuKB)

138 They gonna replace Zelenski with the Cougar of Keeve?

Posted by: davidt at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (oTZbj)

139 I think the west making a bitter enemy of Putin was a stupid, unforced error.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (Ivdso)

Yes it is. We want Russia as at least sometimes allies against China. We'll never agree on everything with them. However, we could have easily gotten Ukraine Finlandized.

Posted by: WiNO at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (EpDzw)

140 I'm okay with giving Zelenski asylum when the day comes he has to fly out. As long as it's in CA, next door to the insufferable former Prince and Princess.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (qH6FZ)

141 Biden is an errand boy sent by grocery clerks....to collect a bill.

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at August 02, 2022 07:12 PM (LrYuZ)

142 When it gets too hot, Zelensky will grab his wife and head to his Florida mansion. Then he'll spend the rest of his days playing golf and sipping Mai tais by the pool.

But stand with Ukraine, or some other vapid liberal slogan.

That sound you hear are all the liberals ripping Uke flags off their blue check mark profiles.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:12 PM (tDEa7)

143 The thing is, we actually beat the insurgency. The North Vietnamese used tanks to drive to Hanoi and the Dem Congress forbade any additional supplies.

South Vietnam fell to conventional forces, and the Dems wanted to see it happen.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (llXky)

Most don't remember there was relative Peace between Jan 73, and Jan 75... nor is that taught in 'history' classes.

We won the War... the Congress Lost the Peace.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:12 PM (oHd/0)

144 Twilight Brandon

Posted by: Splunge at August 02, 2022 07:12 PM (cm/80)

145 WHOA !!

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:12 PM (V13WU)

146 132. Shut up about his underwear!!!/s

Posted by: CN, the deer-hater at August 02, 2022 07:12 PM (VuQO/)

147 Just kidding. That was coming. Now I want my 900 billion back please.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:12 PM (V13WU)

148 A FBI leaker gave Project Veritas a list of anti-government or anti-authority "violent extremist" symbols.

On the list are the Punisher skull, the Spartan helmet, the Battle of Gonzales "Come and Take It" flag, Molon Labe, the Gadsden flag, the Liberty Tree, Revolutionary War imagery, and the Betsy Ross flag.

https://bit.ly/3d2gW88

So basically any symbols you'd find on a cop's vehicle, a soldier's vehicle, or any number of vehicles in the gun range parking lot. They're all violent extremists according to the Fibbies.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2022 07:13 PM (eyxn4)

149 >>I guess maybe the kickbacks aren't flowing back to DC promptly enough. The various "Big Guys" aren't getting their 10% payoffs.

Or maybe Putin just made them a better offer.

Posted by: AOC at August 02, 2022 07:13 PM (nGX3X)

150 Because the vaunted Uke army is a myth. I know people who returned from in country saying it's just about over except for the UC part.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (tDEa7)
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The Russians can cycle fresh troops from the Far East or even the Baltics to replace losses and give weakened units a break.

What reserves can Ukraine muster at this point? The opening move was a deep ball thrown into heavy coverage and it failed. So then the Russians went to to Plan B and have been gaining 3 yards and a cloud of dust ever since.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:13 PM (llXky)

151 Does this mean I have to go back to 'Keith'?

Posted by: Keeve Olberman at August 02, 2022 07:13 PM (ugV9/)

152 WHOA !!
Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:12 PM


That a pretty bold prediction regarding penguins in the Café, señor.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM (a3Q+t)

153 This is a 3rd rate military you're seeing, the result of years of corruption, slipshod maintenance, poor training, substandard personnel, poor equipment and tactics plus abysmal logistics.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 02, 2022 07:05 PM (KATBx)

You can't run a modern military with 1 year conscripts. Just aint possible.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM (oHd/0)

154 On the list are the Punisher skull, the Spartan helmet, the Battle of Gonzales "Come and Take It" flag, Molon Labe, the Gadsden flag, the Liberty Tree, Revolutionary War imagery, and the Betsy Ross flag.


ok we've all done spartan races ... got the shirts ... oops I guess we r baddies

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM (w0NJk)

155 141 Biden is an errand boy sent by grocery clerks....to collect a bill.
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at August 02, 2022 07:12 PM (LrYuZ)

except on the way back he heard an ice cream truck and spent all the money.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM (trdmm)

156 Ukraine Corrupt? When did this happen?
Posted by: Inspector Clouseau at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (+oR7L)

Well, tear my arm off.

Posted by: Inspector Krogh at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM (v0R5T)

157 Look at the "sanctions", for example.
In a perfect world those are supposed to damage our opponent, not make them stronger, which is what has occurred.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, on a windy bluff at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM (jTmQV)

158 This mess finally got serious when the Germans had their beer supply threatened.

Posted by: pawn at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM (kYVzH)

159 140. After we take his assets and those of his oligarch buddies. Sauce for the goose...

Posted by: CN, the deer-hater at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM (VuQO/)

160 To continue my rant.
Covid was the best thing that ever happened to them. Stay home collect a paycheck, make your office staff do all the work. Most are still staying home. Why come to Washington? Traffic, dirty, small apartments. Constituent services? What ? Talk to the deplorable? Leave a VM.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM (Y+l9t)

161 Putin is a douchebag. He's is not our friend. But we have a lot more in common with the Russians then we do a place like China. The problems liberal have with Russia is that they are relatively conservative. So just like Trump supporters or any Republicans they need to hate, lie about and defile them. Plus China is lining the Democrats pockets and they'd rather milk that gravy train. It's all pretty simple.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:15 PM (tDEa7)

162 Ukraine bio labs for rent, cheap. We do the crime, you don't do the time.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at August 02, 2022 07:15 PM (BFfCi)

163 ".. and mostly deaf..."

they have cochlear implants for that now.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:15 PM (C1rbv)

164

The Uke fiasco was visible from the moment Russia moved her tanks. I could have told them where this would end up.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:15 PM (V13WU)

165 You're an errand boy sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 02, 2022 07:15 PM (ZLI7S)

166 I think we're forgetting how badly compromised Hunter Biden was by the Ukrainians. What if this move has nothing at all to do with the war with Russia, and everything to do with damning evidence on the legendary laptop? I think a leak is coming, and the usual idiots have been dispatched to prepare the field.

Posted by: bittergeek at August 02, 2022 07:15 PM (F+bK2)

167 Gadsden flag, the Liberty Tree, Revolutionary War imagery, and the Betsy Ross flag.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2022 07:13 PM (eyxn4)
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Bold move. Let's see how this plays out.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:15 PM (llXky)

168 On the list are the Punisher skull, the Spartan helmet, the Battle of Gonzales "Come and Take It" flag, Molon Labe, the Gadsden flag, the Liberty Tree, Revolutionary War imagery, and the Betsy Ross flag.

Looks like a "Gifts He'll Love!" list for the holidays.

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2022 07:16 PM (ugV9/)

169 If the borg is calling out Ukrainian corruption, then my first assumption is that Z hinted he might drop a dime on some of Our Betters. Better to call the other guy a crook before he points out that you are the crook.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 02, 2022 07:16 PM (8AONa)

170 Well, tear my arm off.
Posted by: Inspector Krogh at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM


* sobs *

Posted by: Michelle Fields at August 02, 2022 07:16 PM (a3Q+t)

171 South Vietnam fell to conventional forces, and the Dems wanted to see it happen.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (llXky)

That was the Colonel's main point. We were in a conventional war. Had we treated it as such, the costs in blood and treasure would have been less. Also, the North would have been denied a lot of propaganda. South Vietnamese troops killing insurgents wouldn't be news.

Posted by: WiNO at August 02, 2022 07:16 PM (EpDzw)

172 I think we're forgetting how badly compromised Hunter Biden was by the Ukrainians. What if this move has nothing at all to do with the war with Russia, and everything to do with damning evidence on the legendary laptop? I think a leak is coming, and the usual idiots have been dispatched to prepare the field.

Posted by: bittergeek at August 02, 2022 07:15 PM (F+bK2)
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Pee pee tape is of Hunter.

October surprise.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:16 PM (llXky)

173 >>South Vietnam fell to conventional forces, and the Dems wanted to see it happen.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

This is true. They wanted to see Nixon's strategy fail. By the time Nixon was in office the Left had decided it was a very bad war and the US was evil. Now they had to figure out how to blame it all on Nixon and having it fail was the best option.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 02, 2022 07:17 PM (nGX3X)

174 Everything, and everyone, feels like we are building to a blowout soon.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (trdmm)


I am seeing the same thing. Unlike 79-80 era, we have a media that is so completely one-sided that even common folks can see it. Plus, unlike then, social media gives everyone a voice. The voices are louder, and reinforce each other.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 02, 2022 07:17 PM (WrepH)

175 Pee pee tape is of Hunter.

October surprise.


I mean at this point?!?!?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 02, 2022 07:17 PM (w0NJk)

176 what's all this Brown Brandon stuff?
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (w0NJk)
........

It's not racist. He's a super hero now. Dark Brandon.
Like Fat Batman, only older.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:17 PM (v0R5T)

177 I think the west making a bitter enemy of Putin was a stupid, unforced error.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August

Agreed.

Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2022 07:17 PM (MpUW0)

178 Ukraine Corrupt? When did this happen?
Posted by: Inspector Clouseau at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (+oR7L)

I'm shocked... SHOCKED, to find there is corruption happening in this establishment.

*Toady sidles up* Your winnings, sir.

Oh thank you very much!

Posted by: Capt. L Renault at August 02, 2022 07:17 PM (47mFt)

179 My humble opinion:

Russia can't really break the stalemate, so they're waiting for winter. Once winter hits, they've got Germany by the ballsack, and Germany will likely sabotage NATO support for Ukraine to keep their people from freezing to death.

They've told the US administration of their intent - the war must either be over before it gets cold, or Germany is no longer going to play ball.

The US realizes that there's no way to end the war before the cold hits, and so they're starting to back away from the war so that they can say "well, it would have been great if Ukraine could have won, but they were too corrupt and broken to win and well, gosh, we did everything we could" and therefore, we have no egg on our faces.

That's it. Full stop. That simple.

Posted by: Goober at August 02, 2022 07:17 PM (Hgvgt)

180 You can run a military with one-year conscripts if:

You got seasoned sergeants.

You extend their enlistments.


Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:18 PM (C1rbv)

181 In short, everybody has principles until Oma and Opa start freezing to death...

Posted by: Goober at August 02, 2022 07:18 PM (Hgvgt)

182 I suspect that Ukraine could have fought off Russia if they had spent more time fighting and equipping troops and less time having a gigantic months-long dark open market with US arms.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (Ivdso)

I'd take that bet. No matter how much is given to Ukraine, they can't hold back Russia by their lonesome. As part of a regional alliance they might have delayed losing until 2023... but Russia really hasn't extended even a substantial amount of its true power. (Bringing in T-62s is a bit much, actually.)

Ukraine's real hope was in being less openly hostile to Russian minorities and a bit less enthusiastic about putting actual Nazis in government, but Zelensky and Kolomoisky clearly thought fanning that sentiment would be great for drumming up hysteria against Russia. Mission accomplished, I guess.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:18 PM (20k21)

183 150 Because the vaunted Uke army is a myth. I know people who returned from in country saying it's just about over except for the UC part.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (tDEa7)
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The Russians can cycle fresh troops from the Far East or even the Baltics to replace losses and give weakened units a break.

What reserves can Ukraine muster at this point? The opening move was a deep ball thrown into heavy coverage and it failed. So then the Russians went to to Plan B and have been gaining 3 yards and a cloud of dust ever since.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:13 PM (llXky)


I gotta say, I don't have much of a problem with helping the Ukes destroy the Russian's top drawer hardware and exhausting the Russian PGM and plain old HE stocks. None of our kids are there, after all. It kinda takes a piece off the world conflict game board for a generation or so. It puts the Russians in a place where they can't spend their way to power and domination. Kinda like the 80s.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 02, 2022 07:18 PM (8C7+r)

184 * sobs *
Posted by: Michelle Fields at August 02, 2022 07:16 PM (a3Q+t)

Quit whining, bitch. My arm REALLY got torn off. By Frankenstein, no less.

Posted by: Inspector Krogh at August 02, 2022 07:19 PM (v0R5T)

185 If the borg is calling out Ukrainian corruption, then my first assumption is that Z hinted he might drop a dime on some of Our Betters. Better to call the other guy a crook before he points out that you are the crook.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 02, 2022 07:16 PM (8AONa)
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So if Pope Francis proposes a cease-fire, does the US suggest it be accepted?

Will we have another goat rope where all US citizens are told to leave immediately, trying to create a panic in Kiev?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:19 PM (llXky)

186 I'm sorry but fat baseball players are tough to take seriously and look at.

Where is Robin Yount when you need him?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 02, 2022 07:19 PM (5jrx5)

187 They've told the US administration of their intent - the war must either be over before it gets cold, or Germany is no longer going to play ball.

I think that plays a part as well although Germany's input is pretty minor.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:19 PM (Ivdso)

188 You got seasoned sergeants.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:18 PM


Salty Chiefs in the Navy.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 02, 2022 07:19 PM (a3Q+t)

189 We need to work with everybody, on some level. Except for a few crazies, and those are not even states, just individuals, like narcos in Mexico, and mullah in Iran. Neither Russia nor China are crazies. Even Iran can be dealt with without drama. And we need to do it not out of necessity, but because of our massive abilities, wealth and power, because we can.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:19 PM (V13WU)

190 Just because the Russians aren't fighting the
Ukes the way we would doesn't mean they are doing it wrong. We would have decapitated the leadership, scattered the army, and settled in for years of car bombings, IEDs, and sniper attacks. The Russians are keeping the Uke army in the field along with their Azov SS buddies and are killing an entire generation or two of Ukrainian fighting men.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at August 02, 2022 07:19 PM (3DZIZ)

191
Breaking news: New video released from Hunter Biden's laptop show him with clothes on.

Posted by: portlandon at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (+oR7L)

192 what's all this Brown Brandon stuff?

Brandon shit his pants, again.

Posted by: The poor nurse that has to clean up the mess at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (C1rbv)

193 Everything, and everyone, feels like we are building to a blowout soon.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:08 PM (trdmm)

Indeed. One side or another (State/Party and the rest of us) gets shredded into dog meat in the coming decades. Whatever it is is going to be very nasty, and I have my money on the Party & State - the rest of us aren't going to push back until truly horrendous indignities are visited on us.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (IXpV7)

194 "What reserves can Ukraine muster at this point? The opening move was a deep ball thrown into heavy coverage and it failed. So then the Russians went to to Plan B and have been gaining 3 yards and a cloud of dust ever since.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:13 PM (llXky)"

The Russians are going to try and consolidate their gains and maybe go a bit Chechnya. Then they'll wrap things up. They are getting worn down a bit and the UC tactics will chip away at them just like AFG. So the smart move is to take your gains, hold that territory and then work on undermining the rest of the country via sham elections and strongmen. I'm betting Zelensky ain't in it for the long run. So are the Russians.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (tDEa7)

195 You can run a military with one-year conscripts if:

You got seasoned sergeants.

You extend their enlistments.


Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:18 PM (C1rbv)


Russia's NCO corps is basically non-existent.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (wmDcS)

196 When do the polls close in Arizona?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (Y+l9t)

197 I have worked in a few large office buildings and barely staffed with a dozen live people, empty offices are staffed at home

Posted by: Skip at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (k8B25)

198 Dumping billion into Ukraine and choosing sides in such conflicts is not our mission as a nation.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (V13WU)

199 I gotta say, I don't have much of a problem with helping the Ukes destroy the Russian's top drawer hardware and exhausting the Russian PGM and plain old HE stocks. None of our kids are there, after all. It kinda takes a piece off the world conflict game board for a generation or so. It puts the Russians in a place where they can't spend their way to power and domination. Kinda like the 80s.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 02, 2022 07:18 PM (8C7+r)
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I have a problem with pointless slaughter and destruction so corrupt people get richer. I have a big problem with that.

I also have a problem with the American people PAYING for it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (llXky)

200 33
I stand with Monkey Pox. Er, Monkey Pox vaccine. Eh, Monkey Pox 'masks'?

Posted by: DaisyB at August 02, 2022 06:56 PM (AbL8c)
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Monkey Pox diapers?

Posted by: Ciampino - Depends at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (qfLjt)

201 157 Look at the "sanctions", for example.
In a perfect world those are supposed to damage our opponent, not make them stronger, which is what has occurred.
Posted by: gourmand du jour,

....

You do not understand the mysterious paths of the Dark Brandon.

Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2022 07:21 PM (MpUW0)

202 There is a lesson to be learned here.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 02, 2022 07:10 PM (5jrx5)



Lesson one: pick weak opponents.

Posted by: Ngo Dinh Diem at August 02, 2022 07:21 PM (yQpMk)

203 177 I think the west making a bitter enemy of Putin was a stupid, unforced error.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August

Agreed.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2022 07:17 PM (MpUW0)

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Agree also.

Putin was smarter than the whole BIden administration. Yes, politicians got huge kickbacks, but they look stupid. I know- they don't care. Putin, backing the ruble with gold was pretty smart.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 02, 2022 07:21 PM (9M3Vu)

204 Olena Zelenska stole Dr. Jill’s place as the favorite First Lady. This is just payback. Zelenskyy should have known you don’t try and upstage a petty couple like j and j.

Posted by: EveR at August 02, 2022 07:21 PM (MUpk6)

205 I'm okay with giving Zelenski asylum when the day comes he has to fly out. As long as it's in CA, next door to the insufferable former Prince and Princess.
Posted by: lowandslow at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (qH6FZ)

That was Tim Dillon's prediction. A Netflix deal, and a house near Harry and Meghan.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 02, 2022 07:21 PM (47mFt)

206 59 Ukraine cannot win, period. Americans think the Reds losing 15-20k troops is a problem because we think about how we would view the same. That's not Russian war doctrine, and once they settled into what they know - and believe me they know field artillery - it was game over.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (oWBc3)


Ukraine is now in a situation similar to that of the Germans about a month into their Verdun Offensive in 1916. Taking huge casualties trying to sustain the attacks on successive French fortified positions, resulting in not having enough troops to withstand the inevitable French counter-offensive. The Germans knew artillery, but quickly learned the French knew artillery better.

Posted by: Gref at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM (AMIL/)

207 Interestingly enough, Gonzalo Lira did a post a few days ago predicting Zelensky would be assassinated by us or the Brits.
Too corrupt means he's stashing more money away than joe wants him to do. While not passing the kickbacks fast enough.
I also see the U tubers of unknown origin are posting utter bullshit like mad claiming hundreds of Russian tanks destroyed and thousands of soldiers killed. Massacres by Uke special forces using HIMARS and M-777 howitzers.
It's nearly frantic which just confirms the spinning.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, not one dime, not one vote at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM (P+D9B)

208 The US realizes that there's no way to end the war before the cold hits, and so they're starting to back away from the war so that they can say "well, it would have been great if Ukraine could have won, but they were too corrupt and broken to win and well, gosh, we did everything we could" and therefore, we have no egg on our faces.

That's it. Full stop. That simple.
Posted by: Goober at August 02, 2022 07:17 PM (Hgvgt)

Here's the fun part - if Biden and Co. back away now, they create a huge foreign policy disaster which will be the final nail in the coffin of their mid term hopes. But if they don't, then this winter Germany collapses economically, and probably the EU along with it.

what to do, what to do - oh well it's guaranteed that whatever our Fearless Heroes decide to do, it will be something dumber and more incompetent than anything we can even conceive of at the moment.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM (trdmm)

209 It puts the Russians in a place where they can't spend their way to power and domination. Kinda like the 80s.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 02, 2022 07:18 PM (8C7+r)

Ahahaha, given the price of energy I'd say Russia Is withstanding the economic war with almost comic ease.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM (20k21)

210 England is the one that will give him asylum.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM (V13WU)

211 Never wash a chief's coffee mug.

Posted by: The poor nurse that has to clean up the mess at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM (C1rbv)

212 You do not understand the mysterious paths of the Dark Brandon.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2022 07:21 PM (MpUW0)
........

Or his true identity.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM (v0R5T)

213 I remember somethings about Friedman writing a column whilst being cut to pieces by a terrorist cab driver.
Was that authored by Ace?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at August 02, 2022 07:23 PM (eGTCV)

214 You have to admit Russia knows how to troll:

https://is.gd/g62Wbu

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:23 PM (MxUom)

215 Off poor Bitme nurse's sock.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:23 PM (C1rbv)

216 "Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 02, 2022 07:18 PM (8C7+r)"

Agree completely. Let the agency keep Feeding and clothing their force. I don't have any issue arming them up to just keep chipping away at Russian assets. I think big stuff like the HIMARS is stupid, but nobody asked me.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:23 PM (tDEa7)

217 I'm okay with giving Zelenski asylum when the day comes he has to fly out. As long as it's in CA

His villa is in Florida. I doubt he'll see it again.

Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2022 07:23 PM (ugV9/)

218 Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 02, 2022 07:14 PM (a3Q+t)


There will be penguins !

*I hope

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:23 PM (V13WU)

219 The fact though is Russia is achieving their objectives.
Posted by: WiNO

This is overreaction. Maybe they are getting some of what they want, but they did not achieve their objectives. They want most of Ukraine, a divided Nato, and a weakened US presence in Europe. They want a german-russian axis controlling Europe (ie, Germany Up, Russia in, US out.)

I am not saying the propaganda that Russia is losing is correct, just that the whole affair was a disaster for them short and mid term.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (nGX3X)

220 There is such fraud in this government I don't even believe the James Webb telescope pictures.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (WrepH)

221 Ahahaha, given the price of energy I'd say Russia Is withstanding the economic war with almost comic ease.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM (20k21)
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Russia is making the Baltics pay for their fuel in rubles. No rubles, no gas.

It's in the Euro press, but not covered over here.

Vlad's not losing, folks. Not in the least.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (llXky)

222 Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at August 02, 2022 07:18 PM (8C7+r)

Problem is we stiped OUR supply lines of front line equipment and gave it to the Ukes.

They have already received FIVE YEARS production of Javelin missiles... directly from our war stocks. Start adding in Harpoons and such, which were already in short supply? Now add in a CHIP SHORTAGE with China sitting on our chip supply lines? (while Pelosi pisses them off).

Russia has expanded oil production, and exports. Their currency and banking system is in reasonably good shape, while our government does everything it can to destroy our economy.... really... raising spending and Taxes during a Recession with high Inflation????? How dumb can they be????

This was a fight that never should have happened... a fight we have no dog in... yet they are spending US into further debt, and inflation, to supply it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (oHd/0)

223 The very first thing Zelensky did was order a "general mobilization" of all men aged 18 to 60 or so. Then they distributed weapons on street corners and other locales. What do ya need? Rifles, grenades, ammo, etc.
We got 'em right here, in the school, in the hospital, in the churches.
The result, massive civilian casualties.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, on a windy bluff at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (jTmQV)

224 The Russians are not... historically great fighters. They are fine with dying a lot and being miserable so they are tough to beat, but they are not a dangerous or overwhelming army. Their gear is not good, their leadership is bad, and they have never been much in the battlefield except defensively.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (Ivdso)

225 Fuck England. Fuck Germany.

They are not our allies anymore.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (C1rbv)

226 I don't give two shits about Ukraine. There are lots of places that have aggressive neighbors.

I can't believe my retirement is in question to support one of the most corrupt governments ever. This inflation is killing us.

Yes, I think my retirement is more important than the Ukrainian people. Get over it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (9M3Vu)

227 Putin was smarter than the whole BIden administration.
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 02, 2022 07:21 PM


To be fair, that's a very low bar.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (a3Q+t)

228 * sobs *
Posted by: Michelle Fields at August 02, 2022 07:16 PM (a3Q+t)

Quit whining, bitch. My arm REALLY got torn off. By Frankenstein, no less.
Posted by: Inspector Krogh
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Oh, you guys are complaining?

Posted by: Grendel at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (LUJEW)

229 We're an endangered species.

Posted by: Shocked Faces at August 02, 2022 07:25 PM (Xrfse)

230 I'm okay with giving Zelenski asylum when the day comes he has to fly out. As long as it's in CA

His villa is in Florida. I doubt he'll see it again.
Posted by: t-bird at August 02, 2022 07:23 PM (ugV9/)
.......

There's probably 30 Honduran tortilla vendors squatting in it by now.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:25 PM (v0R5T)

231 LOL. Stalingrad.

LOL.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:25 PM (C1rbv)

232 You have to admit Russia knows how to troll:

https://is.gd/g62Wbu
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:23 PM (MxUom)


At least they have a sense a humor....

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:25 PM (V13WU)

233 When do the polls close in Arizona?
Posted by: Sharon

7pm

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:25 PM (MxUom)

234 I also have a problem with the American people PAYING for it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:20 PM (llXky)

America basically got robbed, but they're not going to pay like Europe will pay. Russia's Atlantic integrationists and liberals are either GONE, or reinventing themselves as hardened nationalists. They won't need a lot of convincing to leave the pipelines closed until multiple EU nations get regime change and expel American soldiers.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:26 PM (u8Evt)

235 Quit whining, bitch. My arm REALLY got torn off.

"That crazy store clerk shot my arm off!!!!"
-the one armed bandit

https://tinyurl.com/jkdv8n23

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:26 PM (Ivdso)

236 For sale: Thousands of slightly-used, virtue-signaling yellow ands blue yard flags.

Posted by: LASue at August 02, 2022 07:26 PM (Ed8Zd)

237 The Russians are not... historically great fighters. They are fine with dying a lot and being miserable so they are tough to beat, but they are not a dangerous or overwhelming army. Their gear is not good, their leadership is bad, and they have never been much in the battlefield except defensively.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (Ivdso)
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Look up Operation Bagration. I'll wait.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:26 PM (llXky)

238 There is such fraud in this government I don't even believe the James Webb telescope pictures.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 02, 2022 07:24 PM (WrepH)

I believe nothing.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 02, 2022 07:26 PM (LCpB6)

239 I am not worried about us.

"...behind every blade of grass."

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:26 PM (C1rbv)

240 PIVOT!!!

Posted by: Squid at August 02, 2022 07:26 PM (YA37n)

241 > Never wash a chief's coffee mug.

The one that is stained so thoroughly it looks filthy right out of the dishwasher? How would he know?

Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2022 07:26 PM (eyxn4)

242 214 You have to admit Russia knows how to troll:

https://is.gd/g62Wbu
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:23 PM (MxUom)

That's classic...

Don't delay... winter is coming...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:27 PM (oHd/0)

243 Never wash a chief's coffee mug.
Posted by: The poor nurse that has to clean up the mess at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM


So I learned.

Posted by: Seaman Schmuckatelli at August 02, 2022 07:27 PM (a3Q+t)

244 Take Weasel's advice. Buy ammo.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:27 PM (C1rbv)

245 199 Yes. Zelensky should have honored his campaign promises and not made matters worse no matter what he was offered

Posted by: CN, the deer-hater at August 02, 2022 07:27 PM (VuQO/)

246 They're throwing Zelensky under the bus because THEY are more crooked. This entire war was a multi-year effort on the part of the Western progs to kick this shit off. Sure, the plan relies on Putin being a giant cockholster, but that doesn't absolve the West from their schemes - either prior to the shooting, or in how they've slow-walked aid not based on fear of antagonizing Russia, but because they want to draw this out.

The Western left isn't the good guys. Neither is Russia or China. And while all of them wanted a war for their own reasons, it's likely the West wanted it the most, followed by China.

Meanwhile Russia has to be hoping for some sort of major breakthrough; they can't keep this up indefinitely. They have lost an insane portion of their serviceable military equipment, even if you define that to include 70's rustbucket shit that barely starts and runs and lacks modern fire control. Ironically, Ukraine has more bodies to throw at this. Russia can't just feed non-ethnic Russians into the meatgrinder, but they don't have ethnic Rus to spare. And neither of those groups is motivated much to fight, while the Ukrainians are VERY aware of what Russia intends.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at August 02, 2022 07:27 PM (P69fT)

247 America basically got robbed, but they're not going to pay like Europe will pay. Russia's Atlantic integrationists and liberals are either GONE, or reinventing themselves as hardened nationalists. They won't need a lot of convincing to leave the pipelines closed until multiple EU nations get regime change and expel American soldiers.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:26 PM (u8Evt)
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"Kick the Americans out or no gas this winter."

"Jawohl!"

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:27 PM (llXky)

248 But if they don't, then this winter Germany collapses economically, and probably the EU along with it.

Posted by: Tom Servo

EU going down in flames will not phase me.
Germany getting taken down a peg or 4 will not bother me either.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:28 PM (MxUom)

249 @219, so,what part did they miss? The only open issue is how quickly Germany returns to sucking Vlad's dick.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 02, 2022 07:28 PM (oWBc3)

250 @238

>>I believe nothing.

As noted...

Everything is an Op.
Everything is Bullshit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 02, 2022 07:28 PM (5jrx5)

251 well, hopefully biden is in a good mood so he doesn't let garland put trump in a dungeon in DC.

Hopefully, the new GOP will fuck dc in the ass for being a place where all republicans can go to jail and no democrat ever breaks the law.

Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom Speaker-EdD Intersectional Dynamics at August 02, 2022 07:28 PM (OuH7W)

252
So is Tom Friedman still a China fan boi?.

Posted by: YIKES! at August 02, 2022 07:28 PM (t6XCL)

253 212 You do not understand the mysterious paths of the Dark Brandon.
Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2022 07:21 PM (MpUW0)
........

Or his true identity.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM (v0R5T)


Have you ever seen Dark Brandon and Dork Brandon in the same place at the same time?

Posted by: davidt at August 02, 2022 07:28 PM (oTZbj)

254 Dark Brandon...because his lights have definitely gone out.
Posted by: Lady in Black
----------
Dim Brandon
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Brandumb

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 02, 2022 07:28 PM (MweZW)

255 Does this mean we can get back to spelling Kiev as Kiev?
Posted by: NCKate at August 02, 2022 07:09 PM (2oJif)

Ummmmmmmm....Yes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 02, 2022 07:28 PM (R/m4+)

256 I think that plays a part as well although Germany's input is pretty minor.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:19 PM (Ivdso)

Germany's military input is minor; but that's not the threat. Because of the incredible idiocy of the Germans going all-in for the Green movement over the last 10 years, and paying Russia for gas so that they could hide how that policy was failing, Germany has now created a situation where Russia can absolutely shut down their entire economy this winter - and by shut down, I mean things like 50% unemployment with millions of Germans huddling in basements, freezing to death.

Germany is going to have to sell out and go over to the Russian side before that happens,... and NATO will effectively collapse as an organization when they do.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (trdmm)

257 Russia can't just feed non-ethnic Russians into the meatgrinder, but they don't have ethnic Rus to spare.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at August 02, 2022 07:27 PM (P69fT)
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Sure they can. Chechens love to kill, and I bet they're the ones raping the hell out of Ukraine.

Russia's always known how to manage multi-ethnic armies.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (llXky)

258 223. He was a shit of the first water.

Posted by: CN, the deer-hater at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (VuQO/)

259 What a stupid timeline.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (4I/2K)

260 I dunno. I'm kinda from the school where you try to mitigate and neutralize the threats so that you don't have to fight on numerous battlefields all at the same time. But, I'm weird like that.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (tDEa7)

261 Zelensky explained WHY he fired them. He said they were not up to the task of ferreting out large numbers of pro-Russia elements in the security services. Which is not actually much of a surprise - someone forgot to blow up some of the strategic bridges that allowed Russia to get as far as they did.

651 cases of criminal treason have been filed against employees of the internal security services.

Question is why is Geherty confused? It's been detailed in the papers.

Posted by: Inspector kemp at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (+DS2f)

262 You have to admit Russia knows how to troll:

https://is.gd/g62Wbu
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:23 PM (MxUom)

I look forward to Dim Brandon's reply.

Posted by: WiNO at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (EpDzw)

263 I think the real reason Democrats and a bunch of Republicans came after Trump in 2020 is that he put a hitch in the Congressional grift machine. I think he put the foreign aid to foundation donation laundromat on hold.

Congress will forgive a president quite a lot, but not if he interferes in their graft. They aren’t there for the work, they are there to get rich. And amass power over the little people.

Posted by: Advo at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (LcnVR)

264 Drones and modern missiles mean that Russia cannot just go defensive on what they have taken. The Ukes can just keep lobbing shit at them. They have to force Ukraine to agree to some kind of settlement. I think this means that they have to take Odessa at the least.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 02, 2022 07:30 PM (yQpMk)

265 When do the polls close in Arizona?
Posted by: Sharon

7pm MST not that silly dst crap...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:30 PM (MxUom)

266 Take Weasel's advice. Buy ammo.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:27 PM


Weasel also sagely advises not filling your rear bag with rice.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 02, 2022 07:30 PM (a3Q+t)

267 I look over the EU to my barren field fucks on the horizon.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 02, 2022 07:30 PM (LCpB6)

268 The absolute worst thing you could do is underestimate the Russians. That's just history and wisdom.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:30 PM (tDEa7)

269 Zelensky and the Ukrainians just weren't up to the task

“We gave him billions and all he did was photo shoots! He’s lucky Biden helped him at all. The President was just cleaning up the mistakes of the previous administration.”

Posted by: Squid at August 02, 2022 07:30 PM (YA37n)

270 Sure they can. Chechens love to kill, and I bet they're the ones raping the hell out of Ukraine.

Russia's always known how to manage multi-ethnic armies.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (llXky)


You could extend the parallel to America completely breaking the western tribals as a team-building exercise for the reunited American Army.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:31 PM (u8Evt)

271 Dr Kelli Ward reports hearing Pinal and Pima counties don't have enough GOP ballots at polling places.

DISENFRANCHISEMENT!



Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2022 07:31 PM (eyxn4)

272 https://bit.ly/3br9N0Q

Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2022 07:31 PM (eyxn4)

273 Biden is a lot like Baghdad Bob with US Tanks parked behind him stating we are winning....

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at August 02, 2022 07:31 PM (LrYuZ)

274 But, doing so means that the US and Europe have to eat a bunch of shit. Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (wmDcS)

Yep.

Posted by: Inspector kemp at August 02, 2022 07:31 PM (+DS2f)

275 That Russian video is great.

"We are Christian."

I am sold.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:31 PM (C1rbv)

276 Have you ever seen Dark Brandon and Dork Brandon in the same place at the same time?
Posted by: davidt at August 02, 2022 07:28 PM (oTZbj)

Dork? This is about me, isn't it!

Posted by: Clark Kent at August 02, 2022 07:31 PM (oHd/0)

277 You could extend the parallel to America completely breaking the western tribals as a team-building exercise for the reunited American Army.

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:31 PM (u8Evt)
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They literally invented Cossacks.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:32 PM (llXky)

278 Here's the fun part - if Biden and Co. back away now, they create a huge foreign policy disaster which will be the final nail in the coffin of their mid term hopes. But if they don't, then this winter Germany collapses economically, and probably the EU along with it.

what to do, what to do - oh well it's guaranteed that whatever our Fearless Heroes decide to do, it will be something dumber and more incompetent than anything we can even conceive of at the moment.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:22 PM (trdmm)


You need to copyright this, Tom. Because it's going to happen as you say. Even the Lying Liars Who Always Lie will find it hard to spin it as a win. But they will try.

Posted by: Gref at August 02, 2022 07:32 PM (AMIL/)

279 They are throwing him under the bus..because he sold them a crock and they bought it.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:32 PM (V13WU)

280 I think it can be explained the same way: Zelenskyy is being told "You are being paid by us, you are our puppet, and we can replace you easily if you do not dance to our movement of your strings."

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Can you say Ukranian President Hunter Biden?

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 02, 2022 07:32 PM (TZivQ)

281 Germany is going to have to sell out and go over to the Russian side before that happens,... and NATO will effectively collapse as an organization when they do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (trdmm)

Good. NATO should be abolished.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 02, 2022 07:32 PM (R/m4+)

282 Gonzalo Lira talks through his ass.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at August 02, 2022 07:32 PM (5Qjf9)

283 Somedood, whatever Russia has lost count that double or triple for Ukraine and a country that calls out 60 year olds to fight doesn't have more of anything to throw into the fight. If you're not willing to fight to the end, which Ukraine is not, you don't fights heads up with Russians. I remind people, our doctrine was always nukes in Europe, always.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (oWBc3)

284 America basically got robbed,

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we're getting turned out like that sports store in the sopranos

Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom Speaker-EdD Intersectional Dynamics at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (OuH7W)

285 Option #3: Ukraine has won, and the Dems are, as their wont, misreading the tea leaves and trying to throw away a victory for no gain.

Posted by: Legion of Boom at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (uTTaN)

286 NATO will effectively collapse as an organization when they do.
Posted by: Tom Servo

And a bunch of US troops (and money) will stop being trapped in Europe.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (MxUom)

287
EU going down in flames will not phase me.
Germany getting taken down a peg or 4 will not bother me either.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:28 PM (MxUom)

Oh they deserve it - but nothing stays contained. The crash of 1929 could have been overcome; it was the collapse of the Creditanstalt in Vienna in 1931 that turned a business downturn into a worldwide depression and eventually, World War. I won't say that history always repeats, but a lot of people are doing their damndest to try and make sure we stay on the same script.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (trdmm)

288 So DC is as evil as we thought... Lets you and him fight as long as I get paid. When the money runs out dont count the dead bodies.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (Xllcm)

289 That Russian video is great.

"We are Christian."


Kinda. Its still basically a state traditional religion more than Christian. I mean Putin probably considers himself a great Christian while he murders his political opponents.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (Ivdso)

290 and by shut down, I mean things like 50% unemployment with millions of Germans huddling in basements, freezing to death.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (trdmm)

If Weimar is looking like the soft option, you had BETTER have a plan before Germany becomes a Russian vassal, or worse!

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (u8Evt)

291 That Russian video is great.

"We are Christian."

I am sold.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:31 PM (C1rbv)
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"Winter is coming."

LOL

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:34 PM (llXky)

292 Thing is, this Russia Ukraine war points out how colossally stupid our response to climate change has been. Look at Germany - $650 billion spent on Energywende, and they are looking at $0.30/kwh electricity, blackouts, and freezing to death. Because renewables can't, and never will, carry the load.

Posted by: Inspector kemp at August 02, 2022 07:34 PM (+DS2f)

293 I'm guessing that Zelenskyy is skimming off of The Big Guy's 10%.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 02, 2022 07:34 PM (TZivQ)

294 204 Olena Zelenska stole Dr. Jill’s place as the favorite First Lady. This is just payback. Zelenskyy should have known you don’t try and upstage a petty couple like j and j.

Posted by: EveR at August 02, 2022 07:21 PM (MUpk6)


So far, this is the best explanation I've seen for this story. Assuming that it's true, which will take a few days.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at August 02, 2022 07:34 PM (5Qjf9)

295 Germany is going to have to sell out and go over to the Russian side before that happens,... and NATO will effectively collapse as an organization when they do.
Posted by: Tom Servo


I have a hard time understanding that in a crisis Germany is incapable of building gas depots or even more coal plants. In a crisis, and if "the fate of the West depends upon it", that would be easy.

But I think Germany does not want to play ball. They want Russia to win. They want the Putin plan (Germany up, US out, Russia in) and that is why the whole mess started.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 02, 2022 07:35 PM (nGX3X)

296 Look up Operation Bagration. I'll wait.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:26 PM (llXky)


Most historians refer to that one as The Destruction of Army Group Center. Because that's what resulted.

Posted by: Gref at August 02, 2022 07:35 PM (AMIL/)

297 Dork's kryptonite is the Covid vaccine.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:35 PM (v0R5T)

298 260 I dunno. I'm kinda from the school where you try to mitigate and neutralize the threats so that you don't have to fight on numerous battlefields all at the same time. But, I'm weird like that.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (tDEa7)

Besides 'Putin is evil and wants to take over the world'... what threat is Russia to the US?

Other than Democrats lofting charges, what has Russia done against US interests in the last 30 years? Except maybe in Syria... where we invaded their ally?

Posted by: Clark Kent at August 02, 2022 07:35 PM (oHd/0)

299 Complete FUBAR across the spectrum in less than 2 years in office.

Impressive. Most impressive.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2022 07:35 PM (4I/2K)

300 L'affaire Ukraine has been a con job op from the get go. Pivot time now I guess.

Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2022 07:36 PM (Vr12I)

301
Kinda. Its still basically a state traditional religion more than Christian. I mean Putin probably considers himself a great Christian while he murders his political opponents.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (Ivdso)
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They're Eastern Orthodox, which traditionally has seen the altar and throne in a very close relationship, each supporting the other.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:36 PM (llXky)

302 Look at Germany - $650 billion spent on Energywende, and they are looking at $0.30/kwh electricity, blackouts, and freezing to death. Because renewables can't, and never will, carry the load.
Posted by: Inspector kemp at August 02, 2022 07:34 PM (+DS2f)

We built windmills, too, Couple hundred years ago.

Posted by: Netherlands at August 02, 2022 07:37 PM (v0R5T)

303 I hate to sound like Norm Chomsky but every time I hear us bitch about Russian or even Ukraine corruption, I can't help but think about our recent history. We have a President in place due to massive criminal behavior by our own officials and every spending bill in recent history is predicated on lining the pockets of the corrupt.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 02, 2022 07:37 PM (qH6FZ)

304 Wouldn't it be funny if the real reason was because Zelenski was too clean and refused to kick back?

That he had some kind of Archbishop of Canterbury conversion?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 02, 2022 07:38 PM (nGX3X)

305 99 Complete FUBAR across the spectrum in less than 2 years in office.

Impressive. Most impressive.

Posted by: Count de Monet


But Wait! There's More!

Posted by: K-Tel at August 02, 2022 07:38 PM (oTZbj)

306 I was leaving after voting and someone came in looking to drop off their absentee ballot. WTF, over?

Posted by: A dude in MI at August 02, 2022 07:38 PM (/6GbT)

307 Paul Pelosi gave the cops his CHP 19-11 donor card when they pulled him over. Under the influence of drugs. That’s why Nan is overseas!

Posted by: Squid at August 02, 2022 07:38 PM (YA37n)

308 Michigan GOP cancels a post election gathering at a downtown Lansing pub after numerous deaths threats and threats of violence at the gathering and at party headquarters. A female staffer had a man screaming at her this am with threats.Police have been notified but no one is in custody.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 02, 2022 07:38 PM (HTJKx)

309 "Wait I'm told doubts about Churchillian Zelensky makes you pro-Putin and a traitor"

No. But saying "I'm rootin for Putin" certainly does.
This isn't about Zelensky, its about the millions of people who's lives are ruined by an invasion that has no legitimate justification, regardless of what Jim Hoft and JJ Sefton think.

Posted by: Bandana Dee at August 02, 2022 07:39 PM (oy4r9)

310 Dr Kelli Ward reports hearing Pinal and Pima counties don't have enough GOP ballots at polling places.
DISENFRANCHISEMENT!
Posted by: bonhomme

Pima = Tucson so that makes sense. Tucson really, really, really liberal.
Can't see why that would be true in Pinal (I live in Pinal)...
Oh, who is responsible for this? Oh, yeah the Secretary of State a dem who is running for Dem gov and doesn't want to face the best.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:39 PM (MxUom)

311 Okay. the quote is simply "Christian."

LOL. Cheap gas, beautiful women, and vodka are enticing too.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:39 PM (C1rbv)

312 Besides 'Putin is evil and wants to take over the world'... what threat is Russia to the US?

Other than Democrats lofting charges, what has Russia done against US interests in the last 30 years? Except maybe in Syria... where we invaded their ally?

Posted by: Clark Kent at August 02, 2022 07:35 PM (oHd/0)
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There are many areas where the US and Russia could be valuable allies.

All the US had to do was respect Russia's sphere of influence, which we demand of others. We would not tolerate Chinese missiles in Mexico, or a "defensive alliance" with the PRC and Canada and it was stupid think Russia would tolerate Ukraine joining NATO.

But we live in the age of cartoon heroes and villains, so there can't be any kind of intelligent statecraft, just memes and twitter hashtags.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:39 PM (llXky)

313 I have a hard time understanding that in a crisis Germany is incapable of building gas depots or even more coal plants. In a crisis, and if "the fate of the West depends upon it", that would be easy.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 02, 2022 07:35 PM (nGX3X)

Germany has locked themselves up LEGALLY.... just like the US... so we cannot effectively build anything anymore.

High Speed Rail in California is going on 15 years? and no track laid at all... they built the transcontinental railroad something like 7 years... with 1860s technology.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:39 PM (oHd/0)

314 Ukraine can win this fight. But it's going to be long and ugly.

Biden don't like long and ugly.

Hell, how many FUCKING times did Russia or the Soviet Union send money and weapons to rebels, and we had to clean that shit up? I say let the Ukies bleed the bastards white. As long as they keep fighting, as long as Russia is losing soldiers, I'm happy enough.

Posted by: Inspector kemp at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (+DS2f)

315 Complete FUBAR across the spectrum in less than 2 years in office.

Impressive. Most impressive.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2022 07:35 PM (4I/2K)
.......

Spent his whole life trying to be president. Fucks it up in 18 months. Loser.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (v0R5T)

316 They literally invented Cossacks.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:32 PM (llXky)

Zaporozhians – to the Turkish Sultan:
You Turkish Satan, brother and comrade of the damned devil and secretary to Lucifer himself!

The Sultan's Secretary, flipping through page after page:
"... It seems to go on like this..."

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (20k21)

317 They are so so so angry at Zelenskyy that the WH just decided yesterday to send Ukraine another $550 million.

I want the WH to know that I am less trustworthy than that Z fella, and I'll be willing to settle for $100 million.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (JOtiF)

318 "Besides 'Putin is evil and wants to take over the world'... what threat is Russia to the US? "

Let's not romanticize Putin. He's spent a lifetime trying to undermine our country. He's not our friend and he still has as very active espionage programs and psyops directed at the American public. But there are much better ways to handle that adversary. Much better.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (tDEa7)

319 Congress will forgive a president quite a lot, but not if he interferes in their graft. They aren’t there for the work, they are there to get rich. And amass power over the little people.
Posted by: Advo at August 02, 2022 07:29 PM (LcnVR)



I have come to believe this is a fundamental truth about our American "Democracy"!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (hOUT3)

320 I'm rootin' for Putin.

He's the only one fighting Globo Homo and Klaus Schwab.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (C1rbv)

321 What breaks my heart are senators that I formerly respected voting to fund Ukraine, to send weapons, and THEN they have the temerity to say it's for our own good, the damn fools...
(spits)

Posted by: gourmand du jour, on a windy bluff at August 02, 2022 07:41 PM (jTmQV)

322 "Zaporozhians – to the Turkish Sultan:
You Turkish Satan, brother and comrade of the damned devil and secretary to Lucifer himself! "

Which reminds me. We just passed the anniversary of The Battle of Jaffa. Deus vult.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:42 PM (tDEa7)

323 I GOT IT ! they exchanged Zelenskeee for Nan, via China ! Let me explain, Nan and CO is on the precipice, WWIII is about to start. Biden regime not ready for WWIII. Plans are not there....Here enters Russia , "I can help, Mr. Biden, but there will be a price. " I am listening", say Bidet handlers. " We can speak with our BFF China on your behalf and .. well you know what to do in Ukraine." Bidet handlers, "You got a deal !".

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:42 PM (V13WU)

324 LOL. Putin is not like the British or the Germans. They profess to be our friends and do everything they can to undermine us.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:42 PM (C1rbv)

325 Posted by: Inspector kemp at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (+DS2f)

Ukraine can only win the fight if we fund them to levels which will destroy OUR economy.

Which... looks like Biden's plan.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:42 PM (oHd/0)

326 Lets see... the champion of Democracy has outlawed the Russian language... which 1/3 of his country speaks. Then used that to outlaw political parties and Media organizations that disagree with him...

Ukraine has banned the playing of Russian music in public (live or recorded).

They've considerately defined "Russia" as starting in 1991, so you can still play Tchaikovsky in public.

For the time being, anyway.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 02, 2022 07:42 PM (I2/tG)

327
I have a hard time understanding that in a crisis Germany is incapable of building gas depots or even more coal plants. In a crisis, and if "the fate of the West depends upon it", that would be easy."

Having worked in the energy field quite a bit, I'd say the one thing that common people don't understand about it is the incredible lead times required for *anything* you do. A country's energy output is fixed by what they were doing 2 or 3 years ago (and for big projects much more than that) There is absolutely no physical way possible to change a nation's energy output in only 6 months - an all out effort with everything available *might* be able to have some impact in 2 years, and even that would be hard.

Germany now has about 4 months til the real crisis - there is absolutely nothing they can do on the supply side to avoid that now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:42 PM (trdmm)

328 If Weimar is looking like the soft option, you had BETTER have a plan before Germany becomes a Russian vassal, or worse!

Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (u8Evt)

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I just had a fantasy of Poland invading, conquering, and getting some "Turkish revenge" on Germany.

/It moved.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, it gets worse here every day at August 02, 2022 07:43 PM (TZivQ)

329 Germany has locked themselves up LEGALLY.... just like the US... so we cannot effectively build anything anymore.

Posted by: Romeo13

And yet all those laws seem to fall away like reeds when the Left wants something done.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 02, 2022 07:43 PM (nGX3X)

330 I think they gotta wrap this Ukraine thing up before the Taiwan war starts.

Posted by: Inspector kemp at August 02, 2022 07:43 PM (+DS2f)

331 320 I'm rootin' for Putin.

He's the only one fighting Globo Homo and Klaus Schwab.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (C1rbv)

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I am too.

And, yes, politics does make for strange bedfellows.

Anyone...anyone fighting Schwab is a hero to me.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 02, 2022 07:43 PM (9M3Vu)

332 Look up Operation Bagration. I'll wait.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
____________________________

But when did they ever beat the Germans, or Swedes, or Fins, when the odds were even close to even?

Numbers, Predictions and War (Dupuy) claims the Germans inflicted casualties at a rate of like 8:1.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 02, 2022 07:43 PM (es0Dj)

333 I'm mostly concerned about the worldwide ukulele shortage.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:44 PM (v0R5T)

334 I say let the Ukies bleed the bastards white. As long as they keep fighting, as long as Russia is losing soldiers, I'm happy enough.

We will fight this war to the last Ukrainian!

Posted by: The DC Establisbment! at August 02, 2022 07:44 PM (I2/tG)

335 Just got back from voting. Asked the guy collecting ballots, he says steady stream all day, with waves of more people at some times. So this little corner of AZ is getting the vote out.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 02, 2022 07:44 PM (Bd6X8)

336 No. But saying "I'm rootin for Putin" certainly does.
This isn't about Zelensky, its about the millions of people who's lives are ruined by an invasion that has no legitimate justification, regardless of what Jim Hoft and JJ Sefton think.

Posted by: Bandana Dee at August 02, 2022 07:39 PM (oy4r9)
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I want the fighting to stop. That's all.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:44 PM (llXky)

337 Look at Germany - $650 billion spent on Energywende, and they are looking at $0.30/kwh electricity, blackouts, and freezing to death. Because renewables can't, and never will, carry the load.
Posted by: Inspector kemp

And just like California, they turned off their nuke plants which were working fine; so they do not have any otgher baseline sources.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:44 PM (MxUom)

338 Let's not romanticize Putin. He's spent a lifetime trying to undermine our country. He's not our friend and he still has as very active espionage programs and psyops directed at the American public. But there are much better ways to handle that adversary. Much better.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (tDEa7)

Do you know we still us US Tax dollars to fund Radio America which broadcasts Radio directly into Russia?

I scanned by dial... can't hear Radio russia anywhere...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:44 PM (oHd/0)

339 Let's not romanticize Putin. He's spent a lifetime trying to undermine our country.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (tDEa7)


While your neo-cons have been trying to undermine his. This time their miscalculations have had serious consequences.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at August 02, 2022 07:44 PM (5Qjf9)

340 Generations of Pentagon, and CIA officials spent a lifetime trying to undermine Russia, even after the USSR was gone ! What's sauce for the goose...

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:44 PM (V13WU)

341 High Speed Rail in California is going on 15 years? and no track laid at all... they built the transcontinental railroad something like 7 years... with 1860s technology.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:39 PM (oHd/0)


Many trains have been pulled, however. Those CalTrans orgies are LEGENDARY.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 02, 2022 07:44 PM (JOtiF)

342 "Turkish revenge?"

Is there butt-fucking involved?

Just want to be there when it happens

Posted by: Mayor Pete Buttplug at August 02, 2022 07:44 PM (C1rbv)

343 I think we will regret the loss of Russian lives when the Chinese make their move on Siberia.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 02, 2022 07:45 PM (yQpMk)

344 Hopefully, the new GOP will fuck dc in the ass for being a place where all republicans can go to jail and no democrat ever breaks the law.
Posted by: Doctor sockamster-Doom

There's enough gope residue that they'll just don the gimp mask and sally forth.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 02, 2022 07:45 PM (MweZW)

345 Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:42 PM (trdmm)

Guess who builds/fabricates so many critical power plant components?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at August 02, 2022 07:45 PM (hOUT3)

346 Wait until Biden hangs Zelensky out to dry and Zelensky throws Biden's dirty laundry out in the front yard.

Posted by: McLurkerson at August 02, 2022 07:45 PM (wNDOJ)

347 In reality, I don't give a damn about either country. We have have our own messes to clean up.

Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2022 07:45 PM (Vr12I)

348 It was stupid to make limping, barely there Russia into an enemy. Just because we needed a global enemy to keep the Pentagon drones employed.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:46 PM (V13WU)

349 306. Absentee ballots are accepted until 8pm. People get one then end up being in town and they drop it off so it gets counted.

Posted by: Jen the original at August 02, 2022 07:46 PM (HTJKx)

350 Many trains have been pulled, however. Those CalTrans orgies are LEGENDARY.

Monkeypox is gonna eat their sick leave budget.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 02, 2022 07:46 PM (Bd6X8)

351 But when did they ever beat the Germans, or Swedes, or Fins, when the odds were even close to even?

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 02, 2022 07:43 PM (es0Dj)
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Only a fool fights when the odds are even. Russia has never had qualitative superiority, so it has used numbers, terrain, space and weather as a force multiplier.

People who do that deserve respect, not contempt.

Oh, and kill ratios are for losers.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:46 PM (llXky)

352 Okay. the quote is simply "Christian."

LOL. Cheap gas, beautiful women, and vodka are enticing too.
Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at August 02, 2022 07:39 PM (C1rbv)

I would also accept beautiful gas and cheap women.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2022 07:46 PM (4I/2K)

353 If peace breaks out, is Vlad still going to supply Germany?

Oil and nat gas are way higher than they were during PDT'S term. Maybe Vlad can now afford a hearty F-You to a key NATO nation.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (8AONa)

354 And while those drones kept that laser focus on Russia, somehow they missed AQ.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (V13WU)

355 "...Zelensky throws Biden's dirty laundry out in the front yard."

Of which there is an abundance.
That's what this entire thing is about, IMHO.
Helluva reason for hostilities...

Posted by: gourmand du jour, on a windy bluff at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (jTmQV)

356 Ukraine has banned the playing of Russian music in public (live or recorded).

They've considerately defined "Russia" as starting in 1991, so you can still play Tchaikovsky in public.

For the time being, anyway.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 02, 2022 07:42 PM (I2/tG)

So, democrat Russian things are banned, while Soviet Union stuff is AOK Joe!

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (oHd/0)

357 Another new thing I've noticed in news reports is acknowledgment that a fair proportion of the people in the eastern Ukraine would prefer Russian rule.

For example:

In town with uncertain loyalties, confident Ukrainian troops face down Russian fire

https://tinyurl.com/2p8nu2fa

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (I2/tG)

358 I think they gotta wrap this Ukraine thing up before the Taiwan war starts.
Posted by: Inspector kemp at August 02, 2022 07:43 PM (+DS2f)


Good thing we can't get involved since all our advanced weaponry is in Ukraine!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (hOUT3)

359 Doubt you could build a coal fired generating plant in under much 3 year

Posted by: Skip at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (k8B25)

360 I don't think Putin wanted a swift win. I think he wanted the grind out to raise petroleum prices.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (cMXNt)

361 It was stupid to make limping, barely there Russia into an enemy. Just because we needed a global enemy to keep the Pentagon drones employed.

Who would have been better, China? That would have cut way too far into the bribe money.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at August 02, 2022 07:48 PM (Bd6X8)

362 If Zelenskyyyyyyyyy gets $40 billion in US aid while be untrustworthy and corrupt, just imagine if he was on the level eh?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 02, 2022 07:48 PM (Wg1SU)

363 Guess who builds/fabricates so many critical power plant components?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at August 02, 2022 07:45 PM (hOUT3)

LOL, of course. Who else would it be??

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:48 PM (trdmm)

364 Let's not romanticize Putin. He's spent a lifetime trying to undermine our country. He's not our friend and he still has as very active espionage programs and psyops directed at the American public. But there are much better ways to handle that adversary. Much better.

Yeah he is not a good man, he's a murdering sawed off tyrant but he is the enemy of my enemies, so I am not going to actively attack him, either.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:48 PM (Ivdso)

365 > Besides 'Putin is evil and wants to take over the world'... what threat is Russia to the US?

Reading between the lines, it sounds like you're saying a country that can't mount a full scale invasion of the US is not a threat.

George Soros' plot to install hard-left DAs has fucked us pretty well.

Given how porous our borders are, Russia could sneak a suitcase nuke into the country and take out a port or a large part of a city. I'd say they're a threat.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2022 07:48 PM (eyxn4)

366 So, democrat Russian things are banned, while Soviet Union stuff is AOK Joe!

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=vBVMEE0DwqA

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 02, 2022 07:48 PM (I2/tG)

367
You have to admit Russia knows how to troll:

https://is.gd/g62Wbu
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron


What fits into Russia?

https://youtu.be/BXqKkYYALMU

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 02, 2022 07:48 PM (63Dwl)

368 Doubt you could build a coal fired generating plant in under much 3 year



China can.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:48 PM (V13WU)

369 353 If peace breaks out, is Vlad still going to supply Germany?
Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (8AONa)


Not if Trudeau continues to be as helpful as he has so far. Turns out the pumps for the pipelines are serviced by Siemens Canada. So Justin has been enforcing the sanctions.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at August 02, 2022 07:48 PM (5Qjf9)

370 It was stupid to make limping, barely there Russia into an enemy. Just because we needed a global enemy to keep the Pentagon drones employed.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:46 PM (V13WU)
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The stupid anti-Russian bullshit (banning Tchaikovsky) has done more to strengthen Putin than anything he could have done.

These idiots have made him God Emperor of Holy Russia. People saying that "we're bleeding them out" don't understand how adversity can fire up a people.

Look at Germany. Beaten, bankrupt and starving and what was their response? Breed like rabbits and give it another go.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:49 PM (llXky)

371 @318

>>Let's not romanticize Putin.

I don't think anyone is romanticizing Putin but on the spectrum of harms caused to the US based on the Ted Kennedy/SCOAMF FuckUppery/Fundamental Transformation Index scale, Putin ranks at 0.00001 Kennedy's if that.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 02, 2022 07:49 PM (5jrx5)

372 His check must have bounced.

Posted by: 29Victor at August 02, 2022 07:49 PM (BJKQV)

373 @312
All the US had to do was respect Russia's sphere of influence, which we demand of others. We would not tolerate Chinese missiles in Mexico,

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We tolerate a *lot* more autonomy from Mexico than Russia would allow from Ukraine.

Posted by: junior at August 02, 2022 07:49 PM (2ioSN)

374 359 Doubt you could build a coal fired generating plant in under much 3 year
Posted by: Skip at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (k8B25)

And the Germans went so far as to close all of their coal mines, fire all the miners, and scrap all of the mining equipment. No joke. They would have to rebuild the entire industry from scratch.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:49 PM (trdmm)

375 "the Brain Trust at Langley has fivecast"

Five is RIGHT OUT

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at August 02, 2022 07:49 PM (Mzdiz)

376 I think we will regret the loss of Russian lives when the Chinese make their move on Siberia.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 02, 2022 07:45 PM (yQpMk)
.........

Hope they dress warm.
"Winter is coming."

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:50 PM (v0R5T)

377 i]Hell, how many FUCKING times did Russia or the Soviet Union send money and weapons to rebels, and we had to clean that shit up? I say let the Ukies bleed the bastards white. As long as they keep fighting, as long as Russia is losing soldiers, I'm happy enough.
Posted by: Inspector kemp at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (+DS2f)

That cost on top of everything else they were doing bankrupted them. A) it is our tax money going poured down Ukrainian rathole, and US Politician's pockets whether it is from taxes, debt, inflation or opportunity costs. B) Bleeding white is fun to say, but it means dead people, shattered families, destroyed communities and unstable countries. And poverty.

Jingoism is very useful, but not necessarily to the Jingos.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 02, 2022 07:50 PM (xhaym)

378 Isn't corruption something you look for BEFORE you send the 40 Billion dollars?

Posted by: 29Victor at August 02, 2022 07:50 PM (BJKQV)

379 Germany now has about 4 months til the real crisis - there is absolutely nothing they can do on the supply side to avoid that now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:42 PM (trdmm)

Get your German carved cuckoo clocks and wooden gee-gaws now. They'll burn 'em all up this winter to try and keep warm.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2022 07:50 PM (4I/2K)

380 Doubt you could build a coal fired generating plant in under much 3 year
Posted by: Skip at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (k8B25)


I think a six month lead time for a substation transformer was a current delivery estimate...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at August 02, 2022 07:50 PM (hOUT3)

381 The "news" is getting really boring when every story is just one big ya don't say that was obvious months ago.

Posted by: Russkilitlover at August 02, 2022 07:50 PM (iyVGU)

382 and Trump was impeached for what in late 2019?

Posted by: mallfly the peach of Hoboken at August 02, 2022 07:50 PM (Ynyl9)

383 Did Germany spije their Nuke plants when they shut them down?

I'm sure a restart of a shuttered Nike plant is the dictionary definition of non-trivial. But still maybe easier than starting from zero to add power generation?

Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2022 07:51 PM (mkru9)

384 Paul Pelosi gave the cops his CHP 19-11 donor card when they pulled him over. Under the influence of drugs. That’s why Nan is overseas!

Posted by: Squid at August 02, 2022 07:38 PM


Best line I heard this afternoon:

Nancy Pelosi went to Taiwan. Paul Pelosi went to Tai Won On.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 02, 2022 07:51 PM (RkC6l)

385 I would also accept beautiful gas and cheap women.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2022 07:46 PM (4I/2K)
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Beautiful women and cheap vodka FTW!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:51 PM (llXky)

386 Oh, and kill ratios are for losers.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
____________________

I'm guessing some of those Russian grunts may have taken a different view.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 02, 2022 07:51 PM (es0Dj)

387 Yeah all those sanctions and boycotts and banning, that hurt the Russian people, not Putin. You think banning the Bolshoi ballet from coming to your country hurts the government??? You think banning Russian cats from cat shows hurts the government??? Simply idiotic.

But the people who have swallowed the kool aid packet and all think its great and the Russians should SUFFER MORE!!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:51 PM (Ivdso)

388 378 Isn't corruption something you look for BEFORE you send the 40 Billion dollars?

Posted by: 29Victor at August 02, 2022 07:50 PM (BJKQV)


No need. They were quite familiar with the corruption. It was a *feature*.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at August 02, 2022 07:51 PM (5Qjf9)

389 NO CANCEL CULTURE !

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:52 PM (V13WU)

390 I'm guessing Dark Brandon didn't get his 10%
Posted by: Darth Randall at August 02, 2022 06:52 PM (nIyu9)

If the GOP wants to end the "Dark Brandon" meme, just post a pic of Dark Brandon driving a scruffy van with "Free Candy" painted on the side.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2022 07:52 PM (sB4Dp)

391 We tolerate a *lot* more autonomy from Mexico than Russia would allow from Ukraine.

Posted by: junior at August 02, 2022 07:49 PM (2ioSN)
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Absolutely.

Posted by: Blackjack Pershing at August 02, 2022 07:52 PM (llXky)

392 Let's not romanticize Putin. He's spent a lifetime trying to undermine our country.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:40 PM (tDEa7)

Now you are simply delusional.

Posted by: WiNO at August 02, 2022 07:53 PM (EpDzw)

393 Russia has vowed to never use nukes first.
(Unlike US.)
Here is the difference. Russia has a leader who loves his people and wants what is best for them.
We, in the USA cannot even remotely pretend anything similar.
Our own government wants us broke or worse, dead. Out of the way. Trying to starve us. Our own government is pretty much a criminal cabal at this point. It's all we discuss here, all day, every day.
Later.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, on a windy bluff at August 02, 2022 07:53 PM (jTmQV)

394 Cafe is open!

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at August 02, 2022 07:53 PM (OX9vb)

395 Foreign wars are a convenient diversion for the populace from the destruction of our own country by the junta in DC. We are easily led and distracted.

Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2022 07:53 PM (Vr12I)

396 DArk Brandon is going to work 1,000,000x better that the Brandon gaffe. This is great !

*imagines all the awesome memes.

Posted by: runner at August 02, 2022 07:53 PM (V13WU)

397 The big push now is to make the Anglosphere stop using chemical fertilizers. They can do that, if Ukraine and Russia pick up the slack again. If they don't, then you will see famines and real die offs. That's part of why they are backing away. Plus they realize that Zelensky, like a true blackmailer, will never have enough money. They just gave him several hundred million more and he's still not happy. He may have a "hunting accident".

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 02, 2022 07:53 PM (5HBd1)

398 George Soros' plot to install hard-left DAs has fucked us pretty well.

Given how porous our borders are, Russia could sneak a suitcase nuke into the country and take out a port or a large part of a city. I'd say they're a threat.
Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2022 07:48 PM (eyxn4)

Soros is more an enemy than Putin. He has done more to directly harm the US. That is pretty indisputable.

Yet we are now spending billions against Putin, and not a damn dime doing anything about Soros.

Now, why in the hell would Putin WANT to nuke the US, if we just left him alone? If we were not sticking our finger in his eye... WHY would it be in Russia's interest to spend any capital attacking the US? Even politically? They have a limited population, with enough natural resources to outlast any adversary. They have INTERNAL room to expand. In fact, they are short of population to exploit the resources they already have.

Folks are stuck in Cold War thinking, IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:54 PM (oHd/0)

399 @338 I scanned by dial... can't hear Radio russia anywhere...

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It's called "Russia Times".

Posted by: junior at August 02, 2022 07:54 PM (2ioSN)

400 If peace breaks out, is Vlad still going to supply Germany?
Oil and nat gas are way higher than they were during PDT'S term. Maybe Vlad can now afford a hearty F-You to a key NATO nation.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (8AONa)


I suspect he wants to be paid in Rubles and is really happy to sell Rubles to anyone.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 02, 2022 07:54 PM (xhaym)

401 I'm guessing some of those Russian grunts may have taken a different view.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 02, 2022 07:51 PM (es0Dj)
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I think they cared more about whose flag flew in whose capital at the end.

Kill ratios are like game stats. "We had greater yards and more first downs, so really, we won!"

"You lost 28-7. Deal with it."

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:54 PM (llXky)

402 I voted for arming up the Uighurs, Mongols and any other Shaoshu minzu who wants an AK. But nobody listens to me.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 02, 2022 07:54 PM (tDEa7)

403 All the US had to do was respect Russia's sphere of influence, which we demand of others. We would not tolerate Chinese missiles in Mexico,


As we would we not tolerate Emperor Xi Jinping's #3 making a state visit to Puerto Rico or the Samoas. No? So WTF is Nancy doing in Taiwan then?

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2022 07:54 PM (4I/2K)

404 If Russia would invade Mexico then I would move there.

Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 07:54 PM (v0R5T)

405 Organizers of the benchmark TOEFL English exam have banned Russian citizens from taking the test, independent media outlet Mediazona reported Tuesday.

The Educational Testing Service (ETS) has blocked a number of Russian citizens from the online platform that runs the TOEFL exam, according to Mediazona.

The TOEFL qualification is recognized by 11,000 universities in over 190 countries and plays a key role in job hiring processes and higher education.


As someone noted:

"Once again, a master class in how to make westernized, anti-Putin Russian liberals hate the West."

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 02, 2022 07:54 PM (I2/tG)

406 I'm sure a restart of a shuttered Nike plant is the dictionary definition of non-trivial. But still maybe easier than starting from zero to add power generation?
Posted by: TexasDan at August 02, 2022 07:51 PM (mkru9)

It would be - but I think they shut them down by refusing to refuel them as the fuel decayed. So, they have to obtain and process the fuel, which they haven't been doing since they said they didn't need it, and then they would have to go through a full refueling process (as you say, non-trivial) before they could start one back up. Not to mention performing any maintenance that wasn't done when it was shut down.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 02, 2022 07:55 PM (trdmm)

407 Root in for Putin. I've not moved my position.

Posted by: Regular joe at August 02, 2022 07:55 PM (nnp+f)

408 Maybe they're starting to realize that Russians don't back down from either side of a siege, ever, and have a lot of experience. As soon as the Ukes decided to fight back for a change, this wasn't gonna be the pretty little war that ends in a week that the Support The Current Thing crowd evidently deluded themselves into thinking it would be.

A real international statesman would have pushed both of them to the negotiating table months ago. Too bad that sort of thing exists only in the history books.

Posted by: CppThis at August 02, 2022 07:55 PM (UewuT)

409 He can stay at Ben Stiller's house.
Posted by: wth at August 02, 2022 06:57 PM (v0R5T)

He has a home in Miami Beach, I believe.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2022 07:55 PM (sB4Dp)

410 With Dark Brandon, the lefty comms folks are trying to coopt "Brandon" and turn it back on the name callers that distress them so. I think it's similar to the attempt to coopt the use of "snowflake" (for aptly describing people who think they are special, but are just entitled, unoriginal, little dimwits) into some kind of "I know you are, but what am I" playground insult.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at August 02, 2022 07:55 PM (Wg1SU)

411 @391 Absolutely.

Posted by: Blackjack Pershing at August 02, 2022 07:52 PM (llXky)

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You've been dead for decades, and have little to do with modern US international policy.

Posted by: junior at August 02, 2022 07:56 PM (2ioSN)

412 As we would we not tolerate Emperor Xi Jinping's #3 making a state visit to Puerto Rico or the Samoas.

Are you working with Fang Fang now?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:56 PM (Ivdso)

413 Did Germany spije their Nuke plants when they shut them down?

I'm sure a restart of a shuttered Nike plant is the dictionary definition of non-trivial. But still maybe easier than starting from zero to add power generation?
Posted by: TexasDan

I read that the nuke plants in the us, even after shutdown, have to be run every 6 months to keep everything contained.
I don't know about the German ones...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 02, 2022 07:56 PM (MxUom)

414 They just gave him several hundred million more and he's still not happy. He may have a "hunting accident".
Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 02, 2022 07:53 PM (5HBd1)

Zelensky is Bugsy Siegal?

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2022 07:56 PM (4I/2K)

415 Russia has vowed to never use nukes first.
(Unlike US.)


No longer true. Check out "escalate to deescalate".

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 02, 2022 07:57 PM (I2/tG)

416 Are you working with Fang Fang now?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:56 PM (Ivdso)

Just a little side action. Piece work you could call it.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 02, 2022 07:57 PM (4I/2K)

417 Both parties want to fund the war. GOP wins the HoR & Senate? The billions will still flow to Kiev. Tom Friedman is just passing gas. Scribbler gotta scribble to eat.

Posted by: Ted Sorensen at August 02, 2022 07:58 PM (hvfJj)

418 Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at August 02, 2022 07:53 PM (5HBd1)

Going to see famine anyway. Third world countries who had been Food exporters, are now importers, with no economy to allow for that trade deficit (let alone the capital for higher energy prices).

Its like the (to me) silly idea that buying stuff from China because its cheaper, is better than building it at home... makes no sense to me UNLESS we have things they also need... a trade deficit is EXPORTING your wealth. Unless your economy is creating enough extra wealth, to support the deficit... you are screwing yourself. US trade deficit? $621 Billion... with a CONTRACTING economy? We be screwed.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:58 PM (oHd/0)

419 Oh, and kill ratios are for losers.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at August 02, 2022 07:46 PM


Unlike cheerleaders and prom queens.

Posted by: John Mason at August 02, 2022 07:59 PM (a3Q+t)

420 368 Doubt you could build a coal fired generating plant in under much 3 year


China can.
Posted by: runner

Anybody can if they were serious. And we are not talking about build, but gas to coal conversions. How many coal plants are decommissioned around the world every day? How many are in the works somewhere and can be bought for a high enough price?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at August 02, 2022 08:00 PM (nGX3X)

421 Germany is not the only country that is supplied by the Russians. The whole of the EU is going to be up Shit Creek.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 02, 2022 08:00 PM (iJ48F)

422 Bet you it's the German political leadership that behind this. They're pissed the Ukranians resisting the Russians caused the Germans to lose all their gas. So they've bitched to the appeasement counterparts in the U.S to throw the Ukranians undevhe bus to get the gas and kickbacks.
In any case, i see no evidence whatsoever the Russians are winning. In fact, we could see the Ukranians mount a counteroffensive in the south soon.

Posted by: Xavier Basora at August 02, 2022 08:04 PM (HZCl6)

423 I am bemused by how Russia Ukraine brings out so much commentary. I personally don't care much about Putin or Zelinsky paying a price for hubris. I am sorry about the loss of life and misery that the common people will have had and will have going forward in Russia and Ukraine.

That being said, I am laughing at the Euroland leaders that sold their voters on mythical green energy, destroyed their own energy industries, and then depended on a potential adversary for their backup energy stocks while telling Trump that it would never happen.

Posted by: whig at August 02, 2022 08:04 PM (CXr4y)

424 Germany is not the only country that is supplied by the Russians. The whole of the EU is going to be up Shit Creek.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 02, 2022 08:00 PM (iJ48F)



We could supply lots of gas to Europe, if someone wasn't blowing up our export LNG plants. I can't decide if it is us or Putin.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 02, 2022 08:04 PM (yQpMk)

425 421 Germany is not the only country that is supplied by the Russians. The whole of the EU is going to be up Shit Creek.
Posted by: Ben Had

Who could have seen this coming?

Posted by: Freakin EVERYBODY at August 02, 2022 08:05 PM (nGX3X)

426 That being said, I am laughing at the Euroland leaders that sold their voters on mythical green energy, destroyed their own energy industries, and then depended on a potential adversary for their backup energy stocks while telling Trump that it would never happen.

And openly laughing at him when he warned them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 08:05 PM (Ivdso)

427 > Now, why in the hell would Putin WANT to nuke the US, if we just left him alone?

I don't believe we CAN leave him alone. How exactly do you do that? Both Russia and China are expansionist. If we retreat into our own borders and leave the rest of the world to their own devices, eventually we're going to be under siege and we'll have massively strong expansionist countries right at our border, ready to mount a land invasion.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 02, 2022 08:06 PM (eyxn4)

428 What would Zelensky refuse? His goal of fighting to the last Ukrainian is well advanced, but his problem is the surrender at Mariupol. His troops will be a lot less interested in fighting at the behest of actual hardcore tattooed Nazis who surrendered to the Russians. And even if the Ukrainian Army enjoyed infinitely high morale, that doesn't keep you safe from artillery. Logistically Kherson is a terrible place to liberate from Russia, and only a fool would think Russia is seriously intimidated there after holding it for half the year.

This is simple: the West correctly fears a Russian breakthrough, even goddamned Joe Biden now knows Zelensky is a bullshitting charlatan, and the WEF is getting ready to pin it all on the corrupt "Ukrainian" government.
Posted by: trev006 at August 02, 2022 06:55 PM (u8Evt)

The Ukrainians fired one of our missiles the other day from those long range artillery pieces at their own Azov POWs the other day. Even the Pentagon didn't buy the "Russians shot one at their own prison guards" line coming from Kiev.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 02, 2022 08:08 PM (eoQWY)

429 426 That being said, I am laughing at the Euroland leaders that sold their voters on mythical green energy, destroyed their own energy industries, and then depended on a potential adversary for their backup energy stocks while telling Trump that it would never happen.

And openly laughing at him when he warned them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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The Italians, French and English also dragged our ass into the Libya debacle which could have filled the breach in energy under Quaddafi. Going abroad for monsters to slay is not a wise or sustainable policy in the end. Euroland deserves to reap what they have sowed and I don't think our winter is going to be that pleasant either fwiw.

Posted by: whig at August 02, 2022 08:10 PM (CXr4y)

430 Maybe they're starting to realize that Russians don't back down from either side of a siege, ever, and have a lot of experience. As soon as the Ukes decided to fight back for a change, this wasn't gonna be the pretty little war that ends in a week that the Support The Current Thing crowd evidently deluded themselves into thinking it would be.

A real international statesman would have pushed both of them to the negotiating table months ago. Too bad that sort of thing exists only in the history books.
Posted by: CppThis at August 02, 2022 07:55 PM (UewuT)

The Russians themselves were asking for conferences to settle the outstanding issues with Ukraine not living up to the last peace deal with Germany and France, which were supposed to enforce this, ignoring it. Sometimes they got a nibble from Ukraine, or France, or Germany and then a day later they all pulled out of discussions. Hard to miss who is left over that can make demands of all those countries.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 02, 2022 08:12 PM (eoQWY)

431 Re: 408, a true international statesman bringing both sides to the table: TR, with the Russo-Japanese War. Actually won the Nobel Prize for Peace. And not for Honorable Causes, like a certain Lightbringer we all know.

Posted by: Fox2! at August 02, 2022 08:13 PM (0rU8g)

432 They've caught on, too late, that Zelenskyyy is colluding with Putin to rid Ukraine of Nazis and Cabal Biolabs.

Posted by: CueAnon at August 02, 2022 08:14 PM (cuoTr)

433 They don't need to launder the money anymore and it threw everybody's timing off.

Posted by: DaveA at August 02, 2022 08:14 PM (FhXTo)

434 I saw on Twitter that apparently the producers of one of the 37 new Star Wars series on Disney+ said their show will definitely bring down Trump or something. I'm gonna guess there's not much Star Wars going on in the show if so.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 02, 2022 08:15 PM (zm+d5)

435 Bet you it's the German political leadership that behind this. They're pissed the Ukranians resisting the Russians caused the Germans to lose all their gas. So they've bitched to the appeasement counterparts in the U.S to throw the Ukranians undevhe bus to get the gas and kickbacks.
In any case, i see no evidence whatsoever the Russians are winning. In fact, we could see the Ukranians mount a counteroffensive in the south soon.
Posted by: Xavier Basora at August 02, 2022 08:04 PM (HZCl6)

They already did. They were splattered by artillery fire on the open and exposed plains and gave up. They may be forced to try again but its hard to attack across a billiard table like South Ukraine. The Donbas is more hilly and forested, and they have been digging fortifications for years but the Russians have been pushing them back regardless.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 02, 2022 08:16 PM (eoQWY)

436 Germany is not the only country that is supplied by the Russians. The whole of the EU is going to be up Shit Creek.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 02, 2022 08:00 PM (iJ48F)

Some of them buy gas/oil from North Africa. The current EU plan is to steal the stocks they have bought and 'fairly' give them to Germany. Unsurprisingly, Spain and Portugal are resisting this plan.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 02, 2022 08:18 PM (eoQWY)

437 Was about to take a swig when I scrolled down and saw Miss Piggy. I slowly put the glass back down before I spewed drink across the room.

Posted by: goodluckduck at August 02, 2022 08:18 PM (pCXlW)

438 142 When it gets too hot, Zelensky will grab his wife and head to his Florida mansion. Then he'll spend the rest of his days playing golf and sipping Mai tais by the pool.
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Until a Russian hitman/hitsquad gets him 6 months from then, or a year, or 5 years later.

Posted by: Ciampino - Patience from chessmasters at August 02, 2022 08:19 PM (qfLjt)

439 We built windmills, too, Couple hundred years ago.
Posted by: Netherlands at August 02, 2022 07:37 PM (v0R5T)

Before steam engines and internal combustion engines were invented. And what did those windmills do? Some ground grain, and a lot pumped water. Both jobs that can be done while the wind blows.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 02, 2022 08:19 PM (KIyoB)

440 Foreign wars are a convenient diversion for the populace from the destruction of our own country by the junta in DC. We are easily led and distracted.
Posted by: kraken at August 02, 2022 07:53 PM (Vr12I)

Our lords and masters forgot that you are supposed to WIN the foreign wars. Or the sanction wars, for that matter.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 02, 2022 08:20 PM (eoQWY)

441 Was coming to say exactly what you said at the end. Our government is just pissed that Zelensky is taking 100% of the plumber for himself, and forgetting to launder back some to our officials.

This entire war is based completely on laundering money, if it wasn't we would have ignored it (like the last time Russia invaded and when they invaded Georgia) or we would have forced Ukraine to negotiate. But our officials saw a way to steal billions from tax payers, to give to thier contractor friends and to steal themselves, so they let it continue.

Now they probably also realize they need to get to the rebuilding phase of crony kickbacks and laundering.

Posted by: Rbastid at August 02, 2022 08:22 PM (qEL1d)

442 I don't think Putin wanted a swift win. I think he wanted the grind out to raise petroleum prices.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 02, 2022 07:47 PM (cMXNt)

A quick win would have let him neutralize the hostile Uke government, army, and the Nazi units using laws, trials and evictions. A slow win lets him use artillery for the army and Nazis instead. The increase in oil prices was our big idea, that raising oil prices would harm a major oil and gas producer.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 02, 2022 08:25 PM (eoQWY)

443 Was coming to say exactly what you said at the end. Our government is just pissed that Zelensky is taking 100% of the plumber for himself, and forgetting to launder back some to our officials.

Rbastid at August 02, 2022 08:22 PM (qEL1d)

yes a lot of the 40-50 billion was going to defense contractors in the US. Another big slice was to go to NGOs in the Ukraine, which again are elite money laundering operations. Perhaps the Ukraine Government will take out an IMF loan that will be paid by us and also go to defense contractors, NGO, and graft.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 02, 2022 08:27 PM (eoQWY)

444 While selling some of the arms the US gave him... to other countries... the arms that we have stripped from our own supply bases, and even (according to some reports) from the stockpiles of Active Duty Units.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 02, 2022 07:01 PM (oHd/0)

If the rumors are true, a HIMARs with ammo has even been sold to Russia by the Ukrainians.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 02, 2022 08:29 PM (eoQWY)

445 Posted by: Goober at August 02, 2022 07:17 PM (Hgvgt)

I'd add one more thing to the post above:

It beats the alternative. Germany will stop playing ball, mark my words. So, the US is given a choice:

Throw the Ukes under the bus before it gets cold, or make sure they win the war before it gets cold.

How you gonna do the second thing?

Yup, US boots on the ground.

Nah, I'm glad to see that they're pulling back.

Posted by: Goober at August 02, 2022 08:32 PM (Hgvgt)

446 I suspect that Ukraine could have fought off Russia if they had spent more time fighting and equipping troops and less time having a gigantic months-long dark open market with US arms.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at August 02, 2022 07:11 PM (Ivdso)

In WWII, each side alternately rolled over the bulk of Ukraine quickly once out of the rougher ground in the Donbas. But that is when they had millions of men to fill out the entire front. From what I can see, the Ukranians have only scratch forces along the border north of Kharkov to north of Kiev and don't have any reserves outside of bunkers hiding from artillery. Hard to defend your land if you can't man the borders.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 02, 2022 08:37 PM (eoQWY)

447 They are preparing to throw a smoke curtain in the coming investigation of Brandon/Hunter in their dealings with Ukraine.

Posted by: kilroy at August 02, 2022 08:40 PM (V5IxL)

448 "283 Somedood, whatever Russia has lost count that double or triple for Ukraine and a country that calls out 60 year olds to fight doesn't have more of anything to throw into the fight. If you're not willing to fight to the end, which Ukraine is not, you don't fights heads up with Russians. I remind people, our doctrine was always nukes in Europe, always.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 02, 2022 07:33 PM (oWBc3)"

I disagree on this point - Ukraine has a far higher number of willing combatants. Also the current Russian military is a sad shadow of it's actual Cold War self, let alone the inflated version we'd imagined it as. Will they win if they keep at it - winning being loosely defined as "continuing to exist" - not sure, but it's a winnable fight, if a brutal one.

The alternative to fighting is ceasing to exist as a culture with a homeland.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at August 02, 2022 08:40 PM (P69fT)

449 If we can get most everybody to agree that Ukraine is corrupt at least maybe we can stop sending money over there.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 02, 2022 09:01 PM (8GBH4)

450 What if it's how they throw Xiden under the bus? Go ahead and let an investigation open up, so he does the Nixonian thing (when did that become a positive?) and resigns, leaving Kamala to suffer some other fate prior to 2024, and the freshly chosen VP - Buttijig? - steps into the spot to turn back the forces of evil?

Is THAT cynical enough?

Posted by: GWB at August 02, 2022 09:03 PM (MeBFA)

451 The other possibility is the grain shipments are starting again, so they must be forecasting more starvation then they originally planned. So the war must end.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 02, 2022 09:04 PM (8GBH4)

452 If the Biden Administration calls you corrupt, that's a sure sign you're not corrupt ENOUGH.

Posted by: Alexander Williams at August 02, 2022 10:35 PM (NqdeU)

453 Last paragraph says it all. In DC it's about the cash, all the time. This is how you know Hunter has been cut off and no millions of the billions US taxpayers sent to Ukraine are being laundered and deposited in the accounts of the First Crackhead, First Dementia Patient, or his harem of lowlife guttersluts, also known as his daughter and grand daughters. Of course, I mean this in the nicest possible way in keeping with our restored norms.

Posted by: Bilderback at August 02, 2022 11:06 PM (ltm8/)

454 Let the Germans and all woke euroweanies freeze. Couldn't happen to a nastier lot.

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