Gun Thread: Happy Independence Day Weekend Edition!

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Suck it, King George!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

I liked this intro from last year so I'm using it again.

Two hundred and forty-six years ago we told King George to kiss our colonial asses and declared our independence from Great Britain. We were then 13 colonies with a precarious toe-hold on a largely unexplored continent, and had just told the world's largest military and economic power to bite the big one. With hostile indians (woo-woo) on one side, and the British Navy on the other, we drafted our Declaration of Independence and took care of bidness. Thirteen years later we had a shiny new Constitution and Bill of Rights and were on our way...

To having Joe Biden as President.

OK. So perhaps we haven't been the best stewards of the incredibly precious gift of freedom fought for, and then entrusted to us, by our forefathers. Perhaps it's time to stiffen our resolve and revisit some of the basic concepts which compelled our revolution in the first place. The idea of America isn't dead, but our management of the enterprise has certainly left much to be desired. I still think it's good and proper to loudly celebrate our independence, not only as a celebration itself but also as a warning to tyrants, both foreign and domestic. What was done once can be done again.

Happy Independence Day everyone. Yes, I know it's not technically celebrated until tomorrow, but 'round these parts it's a multi-day holiday.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Feature Gun(s)
Last week we had a short discussion of the .380 ACP as a carry gun. Maybe not a suitable candidate for going into heavy combat, but something to grab when you run to 7-11 for late nite snacks, or as a backup weapon. Here is one that I use for that very purpose and carry in my man-satchel next to my laptop on my way back and forth to the office, the Sig Sauer P238. It's 5.5 inches long and weighs 15.2 oz.

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This Sig is a very sturdy all stainless-steel pistol and is small enough to carry in a front pocket in a DeSantis Nemesis holster, in size P6 which is also bigly recommended.

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15 ounces too hefty for you? Want to go even smaller and lighter? Well allow me to introduce you to the Ruger LCP. Made from space age glass-filled nylon, this scrappy little fella is is 5.2 inches long, tips the scales at 9.6 ounces, and also fits perfectly into the DeSantis Nemesis holster.

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Q: Weasel, are the .380s snappy? I read on the internet .380s are snappy.
A: Why yes, yes they are snappy.

But let me ask you something, do you really think you're going to notice that in a life-or-death situation? Both have a six round capacity and are definitely better than throwing your Slim-Jims and Prune Fizz at an attacker.

If you need more convincing, here is another video on the .380 as a self-defense weapon.

As concealed carry of weapons by law abiding citizens becomes more widely available, you need to think about options, and for many a small and highly concealable pocket gun will be an excellent choice. The point is to become proficient with and carry the weapon when you are out and about. Not only when you are walking through the bad side of town at midnight with twenty-dollar bills hanging out of your pockets, but whenever you go out.

As society becomes more and more unhinged, and I am afraid that's going to continue to be the case going forward, you need to be prepared to defend yourself. That means being a gun owner, buying ammunition, and training periodically. Think of gun ownership as insurance against the unknown and unforeseeable.

Thoughts? Am I full of poo?

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Range Reports

First up, our most excellent pal and delightful 'ette Screaming in Digital sends a report on a recent trip to the range.

I went to the range Tuesday in honor of Jesse's birthday. This was only my second time going to the range alone. The first time didn't go well. I took my 1911, the P365, and Jesse's S&W Model 28-3.

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Earlier range trip

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Current range trip

20 rounds in the 1911. The top photo is from my previous outing a few weeks ago for comparison. The second photo is from today. I started at 5 yards and moved out to 7 yards. I shot 5 rounds 1 hand lefty (I pushed 3 of those to the right) and a couple rounds 2 hand righty, but with the left eye. Practicing with snap caps seems to be helping!

Next were 12 rounds in the P365. This target is too shameful to share, BUT my last 4 rounds were better than the first 8. I decided to stop there and work with snap caps at home. Or sell it. Whatever. Not gonna let it bother me tonight.

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Holy Shitballs! Will you look at this target!

12 rounds of .38 Special in the S&W. This is possibly my best target ever, except for that crazy one high & right. I love this revolver. It's the first gun that Jesse bought new, in 1986, which I believe is the year this model was discontinued. I think it was his favorite handgun and it's certainly my favorite.

It will never be as good without Jesse in the next lane with one of his rifles, but I was happy with this outing.

Very nicely done, SiD!! Glad to see you're going to the range. You are really improving quickly, and your shooting would definitely make Jesse proud.

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Next up, our pal Nevada Dave really brings the fancy sauce with his 1,000-yard shot video.

As you were talking about windage, elevation and ballistic calculators I thought I'd pass along a video of some thousand-yard shots with my 300 PRC. I was shooting 225 grain ELD bullet traveling at 2993 fps, time of flight is 1.245 seconds, drop is 261.53 inches. On those two shots I dialed 5.9 mil elevation and held 0.4R mil for wind, spin drift is 0.15L. It hits with 1877 ft lbs of energy at 1000 yds. The jugs are 2.7 qt so about 6"x6" at the widest point. I use a Kestrel 5700 with applied ballistics. I zero at 100 yards and chrono with a lab radar, but this gun was also trued at 1000 yards.

The video was shot with a Nikon p950.

P.S. My daughter (now sixteen) built her first long range rifle! She's been hammering the 2 MOA target at a mile with it! Crazy proud dad!

Nevada Dave

Bigly excellent video and nice shooting Nevada Dave! Thank you!

Guys and Gals - watch the video for two things; the bullet trace on its way to the target, which is really the shock wave on the tip of a supersonic projectile as the bullet itself is too small to see, and the mirage effect in the air which is used to determine wind speed and direction. See them? Do you see the bullet trace and mirage? Based on the video, what do you think the wind is doing?

Finally, an extra bigly Gun Thread congratulations to your daughter! Great job, Dad!

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Next our pal Javems gives us the 9-1-1 on his 30-40 Krag.

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This is my 30-40 Krag. It is the first smokeless powder rifle adopted by the U.S. Army and was developed in the early 1890s. It was patterned after the Norwegian Krag-Jorgensen bolt action rifle. There is also a carbine version. The case is rimmed, and the round is .30 caliber (.308 ). It originally was charged 40 grains of smokeless powder. There is a magazine on the right side of the receiver that hinges open and accepts five rounds. It's easy to load, you can just dump the rounds in, pointy end forward, and when you close the cover, the rounds align properly. One neat feature is that using a lever on the left side of the receiver, forward of the safety, you can isolate the magazine and load one round at a time into the receiver. It was used basically from the mid 1900s up until it was replaced by the 1903 and 1917 rifles.

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The sights vary. My receiver was made in 1903 but my rear sight in an 1896 model. It is a blade sight and can be adjusted for range from 100 yards to, a wildly optimistic, 1800 yards. The blade slides forward to 600 yards and then a dual rail carries another rear blade that can be raised for additional range. There is no windage adjustment with this sight. I haven't read any pre-WWI infantry tactics. Perhaps they used it for area fire at the longer ranges.

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I haven't used that many bolt-action rifles, but the Krag has a remarkably smooth action. I haven't shot it in decades but have the ability to load some rounds now, so when the weather cools down, I'll take it out to the range.

Very nice, Javems! Thank you! One of the things I really love about these old guns, besides the guns themselves, is learning a little bit about the development and production histories. Very cool!

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So You Bought a Handgun

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Recently we have learned of several new gun owners among the commenters here, and I want to again offer my congratulations to them. You have taken the first steps in what I've found to be a remarkably fun hobby. I have made countless friends all around the world as a result of my association with the shooting sports, and learned a lot of things about guns, shooting and even myself in the process. By carrying a firearm, I am also taking steps to prevent myself, my loved ones, and my property from danger at the hands of predators. As you move along and gain confidence as gun owners, I hope you will do the same.

Anyhow, I recently received the following short article from Winchester Ammunition on next steps after purchasing a handgun. It's a pretty basic list but steps you need to have covered.

One item that isn't really covered is safety and proficiency. I strongly recommend finding a more experienced gun owner to help on the first range trip(s) to make sure everything goes smoothly. Later you might consider lessons or other training. Questions? Ask them here. We have lots of experienced gun owners waiting to help!

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P22 Part Dos
Last week we looked at the Walther P22, a small semi-automatic pistol in .22LR. I mentioned that mine has always behaved itself by reliably feeding and ejecting virtually any ammunition I used, since these pistols have something of a reputation for being finicky. I guess a lot of it has to do with quality control at the ammo factory, and sometimes with the weapon and ammunition design compatibility. Yes, they are all supposed to work together, but sometimes that doesn't happen reliably. Our pal PMRich sends in a photo comparing a couple of popular .22 LR ammo types.

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Pic showing how slight the difference is in shape of rim, and you really have to zoom in to see the difference, that's how subtle it is. CCI on left Federal (Value Pack) on right

Do you see it? Do you see the difference PMRich is talking about? It is virtually unnoticeable unless you're really looking for it. That is enough to make a difference in some guns. If it happens to you, don't feel special. It's fairly common and most shooters adapt by finding what works in their guns and sticking with it. I will mention that I typically have more trouble with the Federal Value Pack ammo than the CCI line in a variety of guns.

Thanks PMRich! I appreciate your sending this in. How about you all, are you shooting CCI, Federal, or something else? Have you found one which performs better across multiple platforms?

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Gun Basics 101
Here is the She Equips Herself gal on choosing a concealed carry weapon.

This is worth your time to watch. In the video SEH gal discusses her selection process and what steered her to certain weapons initially and what she did and did not like about them later. If you are considering a purchase, these are some of the things you should be considering. Remember, it's you that has to live with the choices later, not a salesman or a well-intentioned friend.

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Cigar of the Week
This week Cigar Vixen returns with a review of the Punch Signature.

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal WTM who made this one his own bad self!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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Comments

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1 Bang!

Posted by: Skip at July 03, 2022 07:00 PM (2JoB8)

2 Yeah Buddy

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at July 03, 2022 07:00 PM (R5lpX)

3 No alibis!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 07:00 PM (a3Q+t)

4 Badass!

Posted by: Norman Spiny at July 03, 2022 07:01 PM (a8vi6)

5 Happy Independence Eve!
Brought to you by armed citizens!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 03, 2022 07:01 PM (/jQbM)

6 My dang phone wouldn't load the page fast enough.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at July 03, 2022 07:01 PM (R5lpX)

7 Happy Independence Day, Weasel and Horde!

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 03, 2022 07:01 PM (dVlo/)

8 Now a brief minute to read the content.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at July 03, 2022 07:02 PM (R5lpX)

9 Belated hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 03, 2022 07:02 PM (Mzdiz)

10 10?

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 03, 2022 07:02 PM (bVYXr)

11 Brought up last week there are ways to make your own black powder procussion caps, getting dozens of them.

Posted by: Skip at July 03, 2022 07:04 PM (2JoB8)

12 Gubs!

Hi Weasel!

Hi Morons!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:04 PM (tkyK5)

13 Weasel!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 03, 2022 07:05 PM (u73oe)

14 10 10?
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at July 03, 2022 07:02 PM


There's a fight in progress?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 07:05 PM (a3Q+t)

15 Howdy Miley!!

Howdy y'all!! Welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:05 PM (0IeYL)

16 Sorry, in the excitement, I forgot our new protocol. Mea culpa!

Hiya, Weasel!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 07:06 PM (a3Q+t)

17 The thing about the Revolutionary War is that it was damn close. But for capturing that one cannon at Trenton and turning it around on the Hessians, we might be speaking English.
Oh, wait...
But we prevailed, so happy 4th!
And viva Lafayette!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 03, 2022 07:07 PM (jTmQV)

18 Hiya! Hiya! Hiya!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:08 PM (0IeYL)

19 SiD. That .38spl round has taken out many a bad guy. Or, of course punched holes in paper. Cherish it.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 07:08 PM (0OP+5)

20 Evening everyone!!

I am still over the moon on the decisions that SCOTUS handed down in NYSR&PA v Bruen which tells the State and in my case NYC that I have a RIGHT to carry outside my home. I think it also might lead the way for the New York State unSAFE act to be declared unconstitutional. This will let me be able to purchase a regular AR-15 with most anything that I want on it.

Other laws that may be knocked down might be the magazine capacity ban which limits all magazines I own to only 10 rounds.

We have to keep on pushing!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 07:08 PM (fe7in)

21 Good job, SiD, and excellent report!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 07:08 PM (a3Q+t)

22 11 videos of

Posted by: Skip at July 03, 2022 07:08 PM (2JoB8)

23 two more 1911s, definitely. can't have too many.
(or at least it would be fun to try ... )

cool pictures up there as always, with a rare-but-excellent example of the 8-plus-close-parenthesis smiley-face !

nice work, SiD ! every one of those shots falls within the center-body-mass area for defensive shooting, even if they are less than perfect bullseyes.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:11 PM (a82Er)

24 part 1
I think i got lucky last week at Mom's place after Dad passed. i had tracked down (yes, as in really truly tracked) where Dad died in the field and had put Mom & Smash in the 4x4 to take Mom ther to say goodbye. while we were down hill and out of siht of Dad's cabin, sister's boyfriend/convict broke into Dad's cabin. nephew was entering the property at the gate and saw the convict do this. he called my cell and told me then proceeded up to the cabin as quick as he could close the gate.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at July 03, 2022 07:11 PM (MrZQl)

25 This guy has an interesting approach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li0rGtXh23I

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 03, 2022 07:11 PM (jTmQV)

26 Independence -use it or lose it.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 07:12 PM (qdW1I)

27 My kids shoot water-filled milk jugs and 2-liter bottles at 25 yards.

Nevada Dave is shooting jugs at 1,000 yards.

Sometimes, even an Idiot like me can comprehend the benefits of additional range time!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:12 PM (tkyK5)

28 My first ccw many moons ago was a Beretta 84. It was about the heaviest, blockiest .380 out there. But it was easy to shoot and looked really nice. Basically a miniaturized Beretta 92.

Posted by: Quint at July 03, 2022 07:12 PM (XmiNO)

29 Good afternoon and happy Independence Day!

Posted by: Nevada Dave at July 03, 2022 07:13 PM (3DzQz)

30 And I wanna know where guy in bed is getting his 1911s for the price of one Glock 21. And why ain't he banging that chick?

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 07:13 PM (0OP+5)

31 .380 is snappy? After learning to shoot with a 9mm, the Glock 42 was a picnic.

Posted by: chris+opher at July 03, 2022 07:13 PM (H1myt)

32 part 2
i left Smash & Mom, and raced the 4x4 back up to the cabin as convict was a primary cause of the situation that had Dad's dementia in overdrive. convict spotted nephew coming, and scarpered away off, i did not see the convict leave. i arrived at the cabin, and proceeded to clear it with 1911 locked and cocked, safety off.

cabin was empty.

so. texas and not my own property. did i get lucky? i know damned good and well i was stupid.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at July 03, 2022 07:14 PM (MrZQl)

33 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:12 PM (tkyK5)
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I can tell you there is a substantial amount of satisfaction doing what Nevada Dave showed in his video. Excellent work.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:15 PM (TvjOP)

34 Here, but likely just to lurk. I'll check in later.

Posted by: RI Red at July 03, 2022 07:15 PM (LHN+H)

35 Hello Weasel and other gun thread morons!


In Germany now but had a good weekend last weekend on the ranch shooting a lot of fun stuff!

300 Blackout with a can, my new FN SCAR, the Ruger PC Charger - it was a hoot!

Posted by: Pilot141 at July 03, 2022 07:15 PM (ACj+y)

36 Question: Why is Weasel Acres covered with thousands of pine trees?

Answer: Because the Hessians didn't earn the right to decide if they got to march in the shade or in the sunlight in 'Merica!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:15 PM (tkyK5)

37 Pillage idiot
Good for your kids! I started out the same way with my dad.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at July 03, 2022 07:16 PM (3DzQz)

38 eromero, yeah, good point, back in the day when I looked at the statistics every year it was either .38 spl or .25 acp that had the #1 fatality spot ... sometime in the 90's the 9mm started taking the lead.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:16 PM (a82Er)

39 Nevada Dave, nice shooting by your daughter. I can only imaging how proud you are. :-)

Screaming in Digital - I see some pretty good shooting there. You are getting shots on target, maybe not the groupings you want but time and practice should take care of that.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 07:18 PM (fe7in)

40 Here.
With the Covid.
Yuck

Posted by: GWB at July 03, 2022 07:18 PM (IEo5i)

41 SiD,

Excellent shooting on that bottom target!!!

Feel free to tell people you loaned your pistol to Pillage Idiot for one shot, and he is the Moron that put a round in the upper-right quadrant.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:19 PM (tkyK5)

42 A snub air weight in .38+p is snappy. I doubt many standard autoloaders are as bothersome.

But I still have the lightest out there that is not a novelty, the Keltec p32. Some will say why not go with the 3AT? It is a fair question, but after years of good service it is not something I am willing to give up. If I had to decide today, for sure the Ruger.

Posted by: Quint at July 03, 2022 07:20 PM (XmiNO)

43 CBD if you're here, my email is borked. You can't go wrong with a steel compact 1911 .45scp. Mrs. E's first carry back when Texas went CCW was a Colt Defender, light alloy frame and kicked like a white-eye mule. Don't go that route. She currently carries a Kimber MicroNine and is happy with it. Of course you are aware Duncanthrax will hammer your tit for not carrying a service size 1911 but whatever.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 07:20 PM (0OP+5)

44 The targets shown pretty much relay a trajectory consistently below the target impact zone - so, maybe adjust upward? Heh.

I know, I know - its a lot more complicated than that. But, still, I might be tempted to place the site just up and over where I had it previous.

Posted by: Boswell at July 03, 2022 07:21 PM (+Cgut)

45 Mrs. SOB and I have matching LCPs - hers resides in her nightstand, and mine is my Walmart gun when I'm in shorts and T shirt. The DeSantis Nemesis works really well with the LCP in the front pocket. I don't much like the trigger pull on the LCP, but as Weasel says it beats a Slim Jim. If I had my druthers, I'd carry a Colt .380 Government. A friend loaned me his for a while and I really, really like it.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 03, 2022 07:21 PM (dVlo/)

46 We put up targets but eventually set them on fire with so many rounds so….no pics of the targets from the range…

Posted by: Pilot141 at July 03, 2022 07:22 PM (ACj+y)

47 Scuba_dude-
Thanks, I’m pretty proud of her! It’s been a great hobby for dad/daughter time. We also have her mom starting out with the long range stuff, just picked up a Falkor rifle in 6mm Creedmoor for her.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at July 03, 2022 07:22 PM (3DzQz)

48 I think the first shot I ever fired from my single-shot .22 was at a bar of Ivory soap ... which shattered with enthusiasm and impressed me with the potential harm that could occur with careless handling.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:22 PM (a82Er)

49 37 Pillage idiot
Good for your kids! I started out the same way with my dad.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at July 03, 2022 07:16 PM


I have room for an 800-yard target. My son is a good "focus" athlete. If he chooses to work for it, I think he can get that target.

(All of my kids need a better instructor.)

Maybe I can break him out of college this fall to go to the TXMoMe!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:23 PM (tkyK5)

50 And I wanna know where guy in bed is getting his 1911s for the price of one Glock 21. And why ain't he banging that chick?

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 07:13 PM (0OP+5)
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Because he's a Glockhead. Something wrong with those people.

I mean, you think about guns during the *afterglow*. That way, when you are contemplating the design excellence and craftsmanship of a SIG P226 and blurt out "I love you so much!" she purrs with contentment.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 07:23 PM (llXky)

51 Thanks Weasel - another gub thread to savor. Taking this one in on the back porch, burning a Rocky Patel Vintage 2003 Cameroon (review to you this week), with some hot milk in Cafe du Monde coffee.

But have to confess to some insecurity about competing with CigarVixen. She brings certain things to the table that I think I lack.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 07:23 PM (OTzUX)

52 "gives us the 9-1-1 on his 30-40 Krag"

Pretty sure it's the 4-1-1 when you mean information.
You dial 9-1-1 to find out the Dominoes number and you're gonna get cussed out.

Posted by: GWB at July 03, 2022 07:24 PM (IEo5i)

53 I think the first shot I ever fired from my single-shot .22 was at a bar of Ivory soap ... which shattered with enthusiasm and impressed me with the potential harm that could occur with careless handling.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:22 PM (a82Er)

I shot a .22 at a 55 gal drum once as a kid and it ricocheted off and hit a tree - scared the shit out of me.

Posted by: Boswell at July 03, 2022 07:24 PM (+Cgut)

54 43 the Defender had a cult following, particularly after the ceased production. There was a time about ten years ago when the prices were way up there. And for a gun the company didn’t support anymore.

Posted by: Quint at July 03, 2022 07:25 PM (XmiNO)

55 Next were 12 rounds in the P365. This target is too shameful to share, BUT my last 4 rounds were better than the first 8. I decided to stop there and work with snap caps at home. Or sell it. Whatever. Not gonna let it bother me tonight.

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Remembering that it's a purely social piece, as long as they're all minute of torso at 20 yards or so I'd put a few hundred rounds through before making any decision one way or the other.

And that last target and story genuinely made me smile. Thanks for sharing it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 07:25 PM (etIVw)

56 Gun thread * walks in and puts .357 on the table* Who wants to play scrabble?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM (qdW1I)

57 The intro is epic and thanks for putting it up again Weasel.
I am plagiarizing it shamelessly.
I truly believe the idea of America isn't dead. It lives in each of us every day. I celebrate it every day when I exercise my rights. My ancestors helped create this country. I will not fail the heritage they passed to me.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM (anj39)

58 "A snub air weight in .38+p is snappy."

Truth.
I only carry standard pressure loads in my 637.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM (a82Er)

59 49 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:23 PM

The MoMe is on a Saturday, so maybe he only has to miss one day for traveling.
Bring him down, more than happy to let him send a few downrange on my rifle. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM (fe7in)

60 A quick post-and-run question if I may. I'll be away from the screen for the rest of the evening but I'll read the thread tomorrow. Thanks in advance.

For Jim or other Houston-area Horde, besides Collector's what are the good gun shops in the area? I especially like shops with good inventories of old/used guns that don't mind me just browsing with no particular goal.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM (fAL+M)

61 Weasel! Horde! I have a BONUS range report!

My friend and I went to the outdoor range yesterday. Perfect Wyoming summer day and NO ONE ELSE there... a few trucks going to or from the canyon range, but just us 2 lonely gals at the pistol range. So we proceeded to have a blast with my 1911, the S&W model 28-3 pictured above, her FN 9mm and Taurus .22. She wasn't happy with the trigger pull on the FN but obliterated her targets with the Taurus. My 1911 wasn't happy with some of the ammo I brought -- I haven't even put 100 rounds through it yet, so probably still breaking in. Had so much fun with the revolver. I'm afraid I'll have to fight Jesse's son for that one, so maybe I should enjoy it while I can.

After shooting we went to 3 gun stores, replenishing ammo and targets... I guess this is better than a shoe buying habit?

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM (pkAcY)

62 Q: Weasel, are the .380s snappy? I read on the internet .380s are snappy.
A: Why yes, yes they are snappy.
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This is why I wish .32 ACP platforms were more widely available. John Browning designed both cartridges to be able to use the same size frame so that manufacture would be even more efficient.

But in the US, .32 ACP fell out of favor and so those versions were discontinued. However, if you can find a .32 version of a PP, PPK or FN1910, the .32 is much easier to shoot.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 07:27 PM (llXky)

63 Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 07:23 PM (OTzUX)
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All good, bro! Olivia Serie V here tonight!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:27 PM (0IeYL)

64 The gun you have with you beats the one you left at home hands down.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2022 07:27 PM (lz5hY)

65 But I still have the lightest out there that is not a novelty, the Keltec p32. Some will say why not go with the 3AT? It is a fair question, but after years of good service it is not something I am willing to give up.

Posted by: Quint at July 03, 2022 07:20 PM


Quint,

I got a Keltec p32 for my wife a few years back. She hates the very long trigger pull.

Does yours do that, or did I get her a semi-lemon?

(It does go bang every time. However, I have had several people shoot it that experienced FTE. I think they were limp-wristing it?)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:27 PM (tkyK5)

66 Hiya

Posted by: JT at July 03, 2022 07:28 PM (arJlL)

67 Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at July 03, 2022 07:28 PM (arJlL)

68 Addendum re: P365

I had a Shield that I liked a lot but I never could shoot well. I would hit what I was shooting at, but I was never happy with any of the targets or range outings. I got a P365XL and the first two magazines out of it were better than any of the hundreds of magazines I'd put through the Shield. Some guns just don't fit some people. That's why they make more than one. Good luck.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 07:28 PM (etIVw)

69 Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM (anj39)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:28 PM (0IeYL)

70 The right to the gub shall not be infringed. Happy Independence Day to our esteemed host Weasel and all you freedom-loving Morons.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 03, 2022 07:28 PM (Xrfse)

71 Jeebus, Bif
That could have hone very bad.
Glad it didn't

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 03, 2022 07:29 PM (/jQbM)

72 Nice Sig Weasel!

.380 is more than adequate for self-defense and one should carry at all times unless some government goon at say the local courthouse is gonna metal detect ya. But you should also avoid all courthouses as a matter of SOP anyways.

Excellent shooting SD and Nevada Dave!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 03, 2022 07:30 PM (R/m4+)

73 46 We put up targets but eventually set them on fire with so many rounds so….no pics of the targets from the range…

Posted by: Pilot141 at July 03, 2022 07:22 PM


Very impressive, especially since a little birdie told me you were using steel targets.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:30 PM (tkyK5)

74 It's neat how the 2nd Amendment is the only one that puts onerous restrictions on the citizens, while the rest of them tell the government what it can't do.

It's weird that the Founding Fathers wrote that one amendment so differently, but who am I to argue with smart lawyers in D.C.?

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 07:30 PM (etIVw)

75 Nevada Dave, WOW! Fantastic shootin', and yuge congrats to your daughter. So impressive!

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 07:31 PM (pkAcY)

76 Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM (pkAcY)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:31 PM (TvjOP)

77 Got a .380 last fall...considered the Sig, but got a good price on a Kimber Micro...a little stiff initially...and snappy.

Posted by: BignJames at July 03, 2022 07:31 PM (AwYPR)

78 I have a DeSantis like that but for my NAA mini .22, the one that goes everywhere with me. includes a little velcro pocket that holds 7 extra rounds to satisfy the requirement for at least one reload.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:31 PM (a82Er)

79 Posted by: JT at July 03, 2022 07:28 PM (arJlL)
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HIYA!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:32 PM (TvjOP)

80 Yes, I did go to the range last week and had some fun playing with an Astra 300 in .380 (or should I say 9mm Corto?).

This is a weapon designed to be shot using only one hand. I did some self-defense drills with it, and it's one of those archaic designs that points naturally. Loaned it to a friend who is quite experienced and he was impressed by how handy it was. It's all-steel, so not too snappy, either.

I also played with an HK P2000 in .40 which was so good as to be boring.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 07:32 PM (llXky)

81 ... sometime in the 90's the 9mm started taking the lead.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:16 PM


You'll blow a lung out, kid.

Posted by: Santa Brandon at July 03, 2022 07:33 PM (a3Q+t)

82 I have a legit gun question.

I bought a Ruger LCP II yesterday. Apparently, a lot of people were buying guns yesterday, the background check took 2 hours.

Anyway, got it home, and went to load the 6 round magazine. Well, with 6 rounds in the mag, I can't get the mag to seat into the gun. Took a round out to make it 5 rounds, and it goes in fine. This is telling me there is an issue with the spring in the mag, it won't fully depress when loaded. And yes, I can get 6 rounds in, but apparently when the mag goes in, it is supposed to be depressed a bit further, and it just won't work.

Anything I can do about this? Gunsmith or contact Ruger?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 03, 2022 07:33 PM (5p7BC)

83 45 Mrs. SOB and I have matching LCPs - hers resides in her nightstand, and mine is my Walmart gun when I'm in shorts and T shirt. The DeSantis Nemesis works really well with the LCP in the front pocket. I don't much like the trigger pull on the LCP, but as Weasel says it beats a Slim Jim. If I had my druthers, I'd carry a Colt .380 Government. A friend loaned me his for a while and I really, really like it.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 03, 2022 07:21 PM (dVlo/)
Like holding a piece of history, that handles .380 FMJ best.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 07:34 PM (0OP+5)

84 It's weird that the Founding Fathers wrote that one amendment so differently, but who am I to argue with smart lawyers in D.C.?

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 07:30 PM (etIVw)
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In every other usage, the word "people" replies to the actual people - individual citizens of the United States.

But in the 2nd, it applies to state militias because the Founding Fathers were illiterate.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 07:34 PM (llXky)

85 name field test

It's hard to believe that they're trying this.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - How Joe Biden is just like the Founding Fathers, no seriously at July 03, 2022 07:34 PM (etIVw)

86 Screaming in digital!
You are awesome and I am proud to know you and have had the opportunity to shoot with you.

Peace be with you, sister.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 07:35 PM (11kd9)

87 The MoMe is on a Saturday, so maybe he only has to miss one day for traveling.
Bring him down, more than happy to let him send a few downrange on my rifle. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM


Definitely going to try, Scuba! He is rowing crew this year, so we need to find out THAT schedule after classes resume.

P.S. He will also love the politics at the MoMe. He wanted a Thomas Sowell title for his birthday book last year.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:35 PM (tkyK5)

88 I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this question, but here goes.

What's a good place to find low sodium shelf stable food for times without power? I have to watch my sodium intake, or risk going to the hospital - and I HATE the hospital.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 03, 2022 07:35 PM (oGiDo)

89 Great vid Nevada Dave.
Great shooting and a real practical way to teach some practical math.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2022 07:36 PM (anj39)

90 Anything I can do about this? Gunsmith or contact Ruger?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 03, 2022 07:33 PM (5p7BC)
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Buy another magazine and try it out. You should always have at least two, anyway.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 07:36 PM (llXky)

91 I started to watch a video this week by a woman about her carry styles and what she's gone through. She started off talking about her Sticky Holster and how she would never use it for a holster.

Then she proceeded to show how she just shoved a POCKET HOLSTER into her waistband. Of course it fell out when you moved, dingleberry! It's sticky so it will stay in your POCKET, not inside your WAISTBAND. I stopped watching partway through that.

Posted by: GWB at July 03, 2022 07:36 PM (IEo5i)

92 Anything I can do about this? Gunsmith or contact Ruger?

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Go back to the shop to get/try another magazine would be my first though, and if that fails contact Ruger. Their customer service has always been outstanding in my experience.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - How Joe Biden is just like the Founding Fathers, no seriously at July 03, 2022 07:36 PM (etIVw)

93 For less “snappy” 38spl for carry/self-defense needs, Buffalo Bore has standard pressure rounds that offer good performance. Not sure, imagine Double Tap and other specialty outfits may as well.

Just a thought.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 07:36 PM (OTzUX)

94 Screaming in digital-
Thanks!

Posted by: Nevada Dave at July 03, 2022 07:36 PM (3DzQz)

95 87 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:35 PM

Thomas Sowell? You and your wife have raised your son right. Look forward to seeing you again in October.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 07:37 PM (fe7in)

96 After shooting we went to 3 gun stores, replenishing ammo and targets... I guess this is better than a shoe buying habit?

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM


I think you becoming the "Imelda Marcos" of ammo supplies would be a noble title to earn!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:37 PM (tkyK5)

97 78 FYI, the NAA I have, with the "long" 1.5" barrel provides a blazing 800 fps and about 43 FP with Stingers. Not much but will gain a bad guys attention. Muzzle blast is a little sharp

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2022 07:37 PM (lz5hY)

98 Happy Independence Day all! And Weasel, thanks for the thread. Excellent, as always.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 03, 2022 07:37 PM (VNmG1)

99 And now I read the content and see it is all about the .380 autos.

The Ruger came with a holster like the one pictured. Can someone explain the purpose of that holster? Put the whole thing in your pocket?

I need to ask some questions about how people carry the .380s

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 03, 2022 07:38 PM (5p7BC)

100 Lastly, before I leave for the evening, I would just point out that I hate the posture of the chick with the pistol in the picture above.

I am no range guide or anything, but I would suggest never, ever, lean back to shoot any weapon. You should, if anything, have a neutral or forward posture when firing a weapon down range.

Posted by: Boswell at July 03, 2022 07:38 PM (+Cgut)

101 * walks in and puts .357 on the table*
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 07:26 PM


.357 Magnum, or .357 Sig?

Posted by: Duncanthra at July 03, 2022 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)

102 Posted by: Old Blue at July 03, 2022 07:37 PM (VNmG1)
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Thanks, OB!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:39 PM (0IeYL)

103 100!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 07:39 PM (v23vE)

104 wow Moron Robbie, that is some real grade a Bizarro-world delusionality right there ... for the people who want more koolaid after finishing the first cupful !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:39 PM (a82Er)

105 100 Lastly, before I leave for the evening, I would just point out that I hate the posture of the chick with the pistol in the picture above.

I am no range guide or anything, but I would suggest never, ever, lean back to shoot any weapon. You should, if anything, have a neutral or forward posture when firing a weapon down range.

Posted by: Boswell at July 03, 2022 07:38 PM (+Cgut)
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Excellent point.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:40 PM (0IeYL)

106 Shit. My commenting accuracy is on par with my shooting accuracy, it seems. Evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and tip of the shooting cap to our host Weasel.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 07:40 PM (v23vE)

107 Well this is the mag that came with the gun, in the factory box.

I guess I contact Ruger.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 03, 2022 07:40 PM (5p7BC)

108 Weasel, y'all might want to check this out for the LCP:

https://gallowayprecision.com/ruger/lcp/

Actually, they have a number of performance parts for many other guns, so everyone might want to take a peek at their site. (They're running a 10% off sale for the Fourth, BTW.)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 07:40 PM (a3Q+t)

109 The point is to become proficient with and carry the weapon when you are out and about...

Thoughts? Am I full of poo?

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I carry constantly. I will occasionally not carry on the golf course, but that's often the only place. If you see me out you can rest assured I have a pistol and two additional magazines on my person, and I hope we can all have a good hearty laugh about such silly crazy over-preparedness later.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - How Joe Biden is just like the Founding Fathers, no seriously at July 03, 2022 07:41 PM (etIVw)

110 Diogenes
You’re right about the math, daughter struggled in it the shooting has a practical application that really helped her visualize what is going on mathematically.

Posted by: Nevada Dave at July 03, 2022 07:42 PM (3DzQz)

111 Anything I can do about this? Gunsmith or contact Ruger?
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 03, 2022 07:33 PM (5p7BC)

If it is a brand new gun I would put about 200 rounds thru it and see if things loosen up a bit and if she runs right, accurate, etc. then reassess.

Enjoy the ride!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 03, 2022 07:42 PM (R/m4+)

112 103 100!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 07:39 PM


"Missed it by that much!"

-- In best Maxwell Smart voice

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:42 PM (tkyK5)

113 Dave in Fla, I have the same issue with my S&W .380 Shield EZ. Supposed to be 8 rounds, but all six of my magazines won't seat with 8. I have to carry 7. I can have 8, but with one in the tube.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 03, 2022 07:42 PM (VNmG1)

114 The Ruger came with a holster like the one pictured. Can someone explain the purpose of that holster? Put the whole thing in your pocket?

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I don't have a .380 like that but I carry a .38 in a similar holster. It all goes in the front pocket and the holster keeps it in position and breaks up the obvious "print" of the weapon (probably saves your pocket stitching from the barrel, too).

Posted by: Moron Robbie - How Joe Biden is just like the Founding Fathers, no seriously at July 03, 2022 07:43 PM (etIVw)

115 there is / was a Hornady Critical Defense standard-pressure .38 load too. haven't seen it (or much of any other .38 spl) for a couple of years now.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:43 PM (a82Er)

116 I am here in real time for once, so a chance to thank all you all for my favorite thread o the week!

Posted by: Pod Hamp at July 03, 2022 07:43 PM (H+EKX)

117 Had an excellent day at the range yesterday with my 1911 expert LazyMessenger and my mentor MAE.

We shot some pistols side by side and did a new target drill which was quite the challenge. The guys are awesome.

Great day at the range. I need to get my head together and do IDPA.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 07:43 PM (U2p+3)

118 Don’t know but guess the CZ-83 weighs in about the same as Weasel’s Sig in .380. Not as compact a profile. But best naturally pointing handgun I’ve ever shot. Out of production but they’re around. For those seeking options in .380.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 07:43 PM (OTzUX)

119 82 ….Anyway, got it home, and went to load the 6 round magazine. Well, with 6 rounds in the mag, I can't get the mag to seat into the gun. Took a round out to make it 5 rounds, and it goes in fine.


Every new gun I’ve ever bought was very hard to load a full mag initially.
I still prefer to insert full mags into my Glock 26 only if the slide is locked back. Have to really rap the bottom of the mag otherwise.

Posted by: PMRich at July 03, 2022 07:43 PM (eh5ud)

120 Continuing to tread my slow path pack to the range.

The S&W Model 317 lightweight .22 revolver arrived, and I'm already infatuated with it. It fits my giant hand just fine, and is so lightweight I can hardly believe it. It also just screams high quality, and I love the green dot sight.

It's sort of hard to take seriously, because it's so, well, adorable. It's like a perfectly made kid's cap gun. Cannot wait to shoot it. However, that's waiting on the arrival of Mrs. Splunge's G48, which should be along this week. Her compromised finger can fire the 317, but only single-action. That might change when we get many rounds through it.

Other supplies are arriving this week, including ammo and targets and a gadget to help me load magazines. Already dug out an old gun thread I remembered and got my hands on a Competitive Dynamics range bag, which is of course just as nice as Weasel said it was.

Posted by: Splunge at July 03, 2022 07:44 PM (2hil/)

121 Howdy Ben Had!

When I play scrabble with you and lay down a $3 word, do I actually earn the three bucks, or do I get shot with the .357?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:44 PM (tkyK5)

122 By the way, since there are one or two Walther fans on the thread, and some of the 'ettes are probably looking for suggestions, I thought I'd mention that Walther has a new 9mm PDP F-Series specifically designed for female shooters - shorter distance to trigger, slimmer grips, and redesigned striker system that supposedly reduces force needed to rack the slide by 20%.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 03, 2022 07:45 PM (dVlo/)

123 Because this is the Gun thread I am re-reading NYSR&P v. Bruen. I have such a smile on my face reading Justice Thomas's (Lord please protect him) opinion.
Of course the smile will increase even more reading Justice Alito's opinion and the smack down he inflicts on the dissent.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 07:45 PM (fe7in)

124 Curiously, I don't have that issue with my S&W Shield 9 EZ. Holds 8 and loads fine. Problem is getting extra mags for the Shield 9 EZ.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 03, 2022 07:46 PM (VNmG1)

125 Good evening, Weasel and gun Hordians.

Congrats to SiD for that 38 special target. Not surprised. SiD is clearly a decent and improving shooter and the S and W model 28 is a gem. I've never seen this tested, but an N-frame 357 mag should be able to fire approximately 50 bazillion 38 specials before accuracy falls off. Double that if using cast bullets.

Posted by: JTB at July 03, 2022 07:46 PM (7EjX1)

126 I can't believe I forgot to mention that the S&W 317 was a moron recommendation for my situation, as was Mrs Splunge's Glock 48. We are very grateful for the recommendations.

The gun store guy had never handled the 317 before, and he seemed to find it as delightful as I do.

Posted by: Splunge at July 03, 2022 07:46 PM (2hil/)

127 I guess I contact Ruger.

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If the shop is close it might be worth asking them. They might be willing to give you another and go to Ruger themselves since it's a new pistol.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - How Joe Biden is just like the Founding Fathers, no seriously at July 03, 2022 07:47 PM (etIVw)

128 Howdy JTB!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:47 PM (0IeYL)

129 Duncanthrax, Mag.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 07:47 PM (qdW1I)

130 Evening, Horde.

Thanks for another good gub thread Weasel!

Dinner beckons, and then fireworks shopping with the kids.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:47 PM (tkyK5)

131 Have been shopping 1911s for a while. Local gun shop has had two great used buys BUT both were 9mm. No sale.
Went in this week - another used 9mm. However, they had a received shipment of Kimbers and Springfields. I relieved them of a Garrison model. No range yet, probably Wednesday. Been loading bullets all week. Also spent day ordering mags, gun case and a holster.
Oh yeah, I am going canoeing tonight.
Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: R Hill at July 03, 2022 07:48 PM (iViqu)

132 Potato salad is made, Mrs. E pronounced it edible. I am drinking the last of the Old GrandDad 114 and glad to be shed of it. It will knock your dick in your watchpocket.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 07:48 PM (0OP+5)

133 My Keltek PF9 fits very nicely into my desantis holster, which fits mostly nicely into my increasingly shrinking jeans.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2022 07:49 PM (anj39)

134 If the right 9mm 1911 came up I'd consider it. I shot a friend's not too long ago and it's a really nice platform for that round.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - How Joe Biden is just like the Founding Fathers, no seriously at July 03, 2022 07:50 PM (etIVw)

135 thanks, Duncanthrax! Big hugs to you!

sock_rat_eez, that's what J used to say when I fretted about my accuracy. If that's a bad dude I've probably ruined his day and maybe he won't take a chance on my aim getting any better.

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 07:50 PM (pkAcY)

136 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 07:47 PM (tkyK5)
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Adios, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:50 PM (TvjOP)

137 Because this is the Gun thread I am re-reading NYSR&P v. Bruen. I have such a smile on my face reading Justice Thomas's (Lord please protect him) opinion.
Of course the smile will increase even more reading Justice Alito's opinion and the smack down he inflicts on the dissent.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 07:45 PM (fe7in)
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Alito was great.

It's funny because as noted in the opinion, the lawsuit is meaningless for the 43 states that don't mindlessly persecute gun owners.

I've actually tried to discuss this with gun control fanatics, and they can't explain why (for example) Indiana refusing to ban guns is the cause of Chicago's violent crime. I mean if guns cause killing by their very present, why do the ones in Indiana have to travel to another state to do their violence?

The Dems who run those states are behaving exactly like the coward who can't stand up to his boss, so he goes home and bullies his family and pets.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 07:50 PM (llXky)

138 Snappy? Try one of them Bond Arms (made in Granbury TX) Defender derringers with 10mm barrels.

This is going to hurt you more than it hurts me.

Posted by: These Fish Sticks Are Hard As Tits at July 03, 2022 07:51 PM (3AD8C)

139 Hi Pillage Idiot, You get your $3 word.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 07:51 PM (qdW1I)

140 Greetings all! Happy Independence Day weekend and let's all try to make our forefathers proud by fighting communists and tyrants.
I have been to the range twice in the last 2 weeks getting used to my P365. I am finding that it is shooting about 5 inches low at 21 feet. Consistently about 5 inches or so. So as a defense weapon, I would need to aim for vocal chords to hit center of mass. Can't say I like that. I understand Sig sells different height sights to help dial in aim point. It's a shame to have to spend more money after the initial expense. Maybe I stick with the compact 1911 as a carry gun. At least it hits point of aim

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (eUsLv)

141 Walther has a new 9mm PDP F-Series

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 03, 2022 07:45 PM (dVlo/)

I keep reading that as a "PDF" series. Then thinking "Wow, download an entire firearm...."

Posted by: GWB at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (IEo5i)

142 I have a old 1911 Mag that will not function fully loaded

Posted by: Skip at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (2JoB8)

143 Interesting conversation with one of staff in the local not-particularly-busy Cabela's today. He was straightening up the ammo isle. I remarked how the supply seemed to be coming back. (On the plus side, there was some .38 Special, and the odd box or two of Speer. On the negative side, no .4x Magnum of any kind, and no bulk (> 20 round) boxes of 5.56.)

He said it was nothing like a week ago, when it even better stocked, and they thought supply might be starting to outpace demand (both for ammo and gubs), and that in the last 7 days demand is again outpacing supply. He said lots of people are buying, with most sensing that "something isn't right", although very few could (or would, perhaps) articulate exactly what.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)

144 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (xcxpd)

145 Now to read all the content...whew.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (xcxpd)

146 Posted by: R Hill at July 03, 2022 07:48 PM (iViqu)
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Congratulations R Hill and welcome to the Gun Thread!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (TvjOP)

147 Potato salad is made, Mrs. E pronounced it edible. I am drinking the last of the Old GrandDad 114 and glad to be shed of it. It will knock your dick in your watchpocket.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 07:48 PM (0OP+5)
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LOL, I bought some of that at the Shaw AFB BX because I'd never seen it before. I drank it with great caution. It is gone now. It will not be replaced.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (llXky)

148
Progs think they're clever when they say, "There were only muskets when the Second Amendment was written," or, "You have to be in a militia to own a gun!"

But looking at state constitutions, some quite recently revised, a majority make clear that other considerations like self-defense, property, family, hunting and so on are all reasons for citizens to bear arms.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (/U27+)

149 Moron Robbie - one of pistols shop had available was a Springfield Operator model in 9mm. At a great price. I made decision to buy that one several times in my mind but pistol was sold next time I went to shop.

Posted by: R Hill at July 03, 2022 07:53 PM (iViqu)

150 Made another purchase though it wasn't what I intended. Went to Collectors with the intention to buy another long gun but they had a new Gen 3 Glock 21 made in Austria. Only $629 which is surprising for Collectors. I'll have to return another time for that long Gun.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at July 03, 2022 07:53 PM (WMdrL)

151 Scuba_Dude, thanks! I look forward to hearing about your future acquisitions!

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 07:54 PM (pkAcY)

152 Looks like the recomendation is to look for canned goods labeled as low sodium. Of course, dry goods like grains and rice should befine.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 03, 2022 07:55 PM (YynYJ)

153 Yesterday I went to Ft Jackson for Independence Day fireworks along with many, many other people. Several thousand of them were trainees of the United States Army. They were young. We ask so much of them and somehow we think the right thing to do is tell them their country hates them and that they hate each other. I take solace in the fact that they are GIs and probably aren't listening.

It was a wonderful show in front of a wonderful crowd and they played Toby Keith's American Soldier which made it all dusty and closed with Proud to be American totally unironically. Cynicism light is off for a bit, y'all. God Bless 'Merica.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 07:55 PM (paGh3)

154 Try one of them Bond Arms (made in Granbury TX) Defender derringers with 10mm barrels.

This is going to hurt you more than it hurts me.
Posted by: These Fish Sticks Are Hard As Tits at July 03, 2022 07:51 PM (3AD8C)

The 'ettes in the DMV MGC did try my Bond Arms .357/.38. None of them could get that trigger pull figured out (down and back is NOT instinctive) and all were afraid it would fly out of their hand if fired. It's a bit crazy. (But it does work for me in ankle carry.)

Posted by: GWB at July 03, 2022 07:55 PM (IEo5i)

155 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (eUsLv)
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Howdy 10GH! If I recall my armorer's facts correctly, I think all Sigs are zeroed at about that distance, so a shorter front sight might be a good solution for you.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:56 PM (0IeYL)

156 I'm supposed to get an ATF form 1 if I want a stock on my scorpion. The pistol is coming together slowly, but I'm enjoying it. There is a store that does suppressors and engravings that should steer me in the correct direction.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 03, 2022 07:56 PM (ybIRR)

157 oh well, g'night everyone, & thanks as always Weasel and the Horde for my favorite thread of the week !
I'll read the rest of it tomorrow.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:56 PM (a82Er)

158 Duncanthrax, Mag.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 07:47 PM


I knew that , but this IS the gub Thread, and details are important. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 07:56 PM (a3Q+t)

159 Interesting conversation with one of staff in the local not-particularly-busy Cabela's today. He was straightening up the ammo isle.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)
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I was at the local gun show yesterday and there was a new vendor who had pallets of ammo set up and was selling it by the case for prices that were (under the circumstances) reasonable.

Gun shows seem to be a lagging indicator on price these days. They were during Covid as well, particularly for the lower-volume stuff. Apart from that vendor, all the ammo was higher than at the local Dunhams, and they are not be any means cheap.

My sense is that several factors are influence the ammo supply. The first is that all the plants are now operational. The second is that low-volume calibers were pulled from production and everything went into making 9mm and 5.56 for a while. Combine that with the end of the stimulus checks and you're looking a glut in those calibers. I expect that to fade as lines are shifted into some of the lesser demand calibers.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 07:57 PM (llXky)

160 I would love to own a 1911 just for the historical value.
And an M1 Garand of course.
RI Red's was a beaut to shoot.

But I must curb the urge to go and buy. My credit cards are hurting a little bit.

And I am currently in the process of renewing both my NYC handgun license and my rifle/shotgun permit. My wallet is lighter by $520 for nonrefundable fees.

I am being told it might take 18-20 weeks to process my renewal application. Both licenses expire in August.

Yeah, I LOVE NY (heavy sarcasm)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 07:57 PM (fe7in)

161 On the negative side, no .4x Magnum of any kind, and no bulk (> 20 round) boxes of 5.56.)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)

I've had no problem getting .44mag....44spl? like hens teeth and $$...I blame Cowboy Shooters.

Posted by: BignJames at July 03, 2022 07:57 PM (AwYPR)

162 It's good practice to avoid getting into more trouble than two 10mm rounds can deal with.

Posted by: These Fish Sticks Are Hard As Tits at July 03, 2022 07:58 PM (3AD8C)

163 Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at July 03, 2022 07:56 PM (a82Er)
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Nite, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:58 PM (0IeYL)

164 Also my mother's house (where I am visiting) is less than ten miles from a Palmetto State Armory retail location and its a good thing I cannot purchase there because among the 4th of July sales is a PSA Dagger (Glock-ish 19 Gen 3 clone) for $399 and it comes with 5 27 rd mags and 5 17 round mags and a pistol bag. Oh, and it is optic cut already.

If I could buy there I would have bought one today.

But I can't so dodged that bullet.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 07:58 PM (paGh3)

165 nurse, you are a natural for IDPA.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 07:59 PM (qdW1I)

166 147 Potato salad is made, Mrs. E pronounced it edible. I am drinking the last of the Old GrandDad 114 and glad to be shed of it. It will knock your dick in your watchpocket.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 07:48 PM (0OP+5)
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LOL, I bought some of that at the Shaw AFB BX because I'd never seen it before. I drank it with great caution. It is gone now. It will not be replaced.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 07:52 PM (llXky)
Shaw AFB, dog gone if that ain't in 35 miles of where I was born and raised. Mrs. E has to get her I.D. renewed at DEERS Barksdale before
August and I will knock a hole in their Class Six while we're there.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 08:00 PM (0OP+5)

167 thanks, Duncanthrax! Big hugs to you!
Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 07:50 PM


{{{{{SiD}}}}} right back! Y'all gotta a lot of fans here amongst the Texans and Honorary Texans!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 08:00 PM (a3Q+t)

168 It's good practice to avoid getting into more trouble than two 10mm rounds can deal with.

Posted by: These Fish Sticks Are Hard As Tits at July 03, 2022 07:58 PM (3AD8C)
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If the trigger is crap, you'd be better off throwing the pistol at them.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:01 PM (llXky)

169 Javems' post on the Krag has my mouth watering. I love old military bolt action rifles, especially with cast bullet handloads. Comfortable to shoot, inexpensive to reload, and damn accurate at modest distances (under 300 yards). The only reason I don't have a Krag is because I haven't found an affordable one in good enough condition and because I swore a mighty oath not to get a new to me caliber. That oath could evaporate if the right example came along.

Everything Javems said in praise of the Krag are the same I've been reading about for decades: easy to reload, that single shot selector, smooth action, and accurate.

Posted by: JTB at July 03, 2022 08:01 PM (7EjX1)

170 The Taurus Slim I kinda forgot I had is working out nicely as an everyday carry gun. IWB holster of unknown brand worn in small of the back. The Taurus being, well, slim is comfortable back there, and I can draw right or left handed if in a bad footing situation (use a cane with right hand). My SCCY feels fat in comparison, and the old G17 downright huge. Down to one SCCY, gave a good deal to somebody in need of a nightstand gun.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2022 08:02 PM (lz5hY)

171 Range report:
We did a comparison:
Taurus G3c TORO vs S&W M&P 1.0 compact, vs S&W 2.0 Compact vs PSA Dagger.

Testers were me, Lazy Messenger and Nurse Ratched.
Ammo was mostly Tula MAXX 9mm brass cased ammo.

3 of the pistols have hinged triggers rather than a trigger safety (Taurus is the odd man out). First...no malfunctions, all guns ran fine.
Second, we tested guns for slow fire and rapid fire on IDPA targets at 7 yards.
1/2

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:03 PM (xcxpd)

172 I'm going to say good night very early. Wuhan Flu is kicking my behind. (Thankfully it is just a bad flu.)

Y'all have fun talking guns. I'll be dreaming of them.
(Hopefully not psychedelic ones, like when I took the Allegra right before bed and dreamt that every time I rolled over my covers changed color. And I rolled over a lot that night.)

Posted by: GWB at July 03, 2022 08:04 PM (IEo5i)

173 supposed to get an ATF form 1 if I want a stock on my scorpion

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You might consider a brace instead and avoid any excess paperwork.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at July 03, 2022 08:04 PM (ETxad)

174 Night GWB, feel better!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 08:05 PM (fe7in)

175 Copenhagen shooter was Noah Esbensen, 22-yr-old Dane.

White nut. Updates linked in my sock from earlier this afternoon.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 03, 2022 08:05 PM (yikp0)

176 Posted by: GWB at July 03, 2022 08:04 PM (IEo5i)
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Goodnite, GWB. Hope you feel better soon!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:05 PM (0IeYL)

177 I hate the idea of paperwork, but I don't know the difference between a brace and a stock. I'm being sucked into govt stupidity, I know.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 03, 2022 08:05 PM (ybIRR)

178 Does Ace or whoever posts these threads, ever look at those ammo seller links as he implores us to buy ammo? Does he not see that prices are up 350% from 2-3 years ago and many calibers are not available?

Posted by: DFENS at July 03, 2022 08:05 PM (8nHw6)

179 Shaw AFB, dog gone if that ain't in 35 miles of where I was born and raised. Mrs. E has to get her I.D. renewed at DEERS Barksdale before
August and I will knock a hole in their Class Six while we're there.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 08:00 PM (0OP+5)
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I did two planning exercises there in 2018 and 2019.

I was at Barksdale for a week in 2014 or so. The A/C at my quarters was dumping condensation into my room - half the floor was covered in water. They didn't have anything left for SNCOs so I got put in with the junior officers. It was a step up, to be sure.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:06 PM (llXky)

180 Moron Robbie - one of pistols shop had available was a Springfield Operator model in 9mm

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I'm a big fan of Springfield's 1911s. They've got a new line out that I've been eyeballing but I don't need. Ronin maybe?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at July 03, 2022 08:07 PM (ETxad)

181 Also, I have resolved the PSA $89 Heritage Rough Rider dilemma. No, I did not buy both the 4.75 inch barrel and 6.5 inch barrel pistol. I apologize in advance as this involves math.

Current sale price of the HRR is $109 for certain models. Heritage (which is a Ruger brand) is offering a $20 rebate. Makes an HRR from PSA $89 plus tax! How could you not?

Well. $89. Plus $20 shipping. Plus $25 FFL transfer makes the cost $134 - or $154 before rebate. That means a retail price of less than $152 ($2 for the background check) locally is the same price because it is a manufacturer rebate. If I go to the gun show next weekend it costs $15 to get in, if I were to find one THERE selling for $137 or less - and I have seen them at $119-$129 - I am still ahead. Alternatively, Cabela's has it for $149 and I am not at risk for the gun show ticket and it is still less than getting it from PSA. Not as cool as an $89 gun but cheaper!

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 08:07 PM (paGh3)

182 I am drinking the last of the Old GrandDad 114 and glad to be shed of it. It will knock your dick in your watchpocket.
Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 07:48 PM (0OP+5)


That is quite the ... uh, vivid metaphor!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 08:08 PM (v23vE)

183 Everything Javems said in praise of the Krag are the same I've been reading about for decades: easy to reload, that single shot selector, smooth action, and accurate.

Posted by: JTB at July 03, 2022 08:01 PM (7EjX1)
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And yet when the US went against Spanish troops using 1893 pattern Mausers, it was obvious who had the better weapon.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:08 PM (llXky)

184 Does Ace or whoever posts these threads, ever look at those ammo seller links as he implores us to buy ammo? Does he not see that prices are up 350% from 2-3 years ago and many calibers are not available?

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Wait until these are the good old days.

I'd add "learn to reload" to the list, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at July 03, 2022 08:09 PM (ETxad)

185 Posted by: DFENS at July 03, 2022 08:05 PM (8nHw6)
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Howdy! If you have other ammo sources to recommend, just send me an email at the address near the end of the thread.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:09 PM (TvjOP)

186 181 Blaster, you will be happy with the HRR. Not the best, far from the worst. You will wonder how they sell them for so little. BTW, Heritage is a Taurus brand, not Ruger.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2022 08:09 PM (lz5hY)

187 2/2
The PSA dagger had a (green) dot, the rest were all irons.
The Nurse did not like the dot at first, but...boy did she get into it. By the second magazine, she was laying rounds right on top of each other.
The Dagger had the best trigger, followed by the Taurus, for slow fire. The Dagger and M&P 2.0 were the most comfortable to shoot. The G3c and the M&P 1.0 had similar recoil and handling characteristics, both also have 12 round magazines.

Rapid fire, evaluations changed. The M&P 1.0 did very very well in rapid fire. Lazy Messenger thought the G3c was good as well, saying it would 'run fast' and he did do well with it. The trigger break was 'cleaner' with the G3c, with the M&P triggers being more 'mushy' with a more vague wall.
For me, the M&P's are actually good combat pistols, with the stock (non APEX) triggers, they aren't super accurate but they group well enough and under stress/timer, they put rounds in the A zone just fine.
The smaller pistols are subject to physics: lighter 9mm pistols are more snappy. But the G3c is more easy to control and more accurate in slow fire.
Remarkably, the highest ranked pistols were the cheapest: the G3c and the PSA dagger.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:10 PM (xcxpd)

188 I hate the idea of paperwork, but I don't know the difference between a brace and a stock. I'm being sucked into govt stupidity, I know.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 03, 2022 08:05 PM (ybIRR)

No difference except how it's used which is government stupidity. Though I do note the length on a brace seems to be shorter. I could be wrong.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at July 03, 2022 08:10 PM (WMdrL)

189 Most of what I see for relatively cheap on ammoseek these days is either steel or remanufactured, although every once in a while I'll see 1000 rounds of some decent 9mm for 400 shipped.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at July 03, 2022 08:11 PM (ETxad)

190 Wait until these are the good old days.

I'd add "learn to reload" to the list, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at July 03, 2022 08:09 PM (ETxad)
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Reloading requires all the components though, and I'm not sure primers are all that available.

For a lot of folks, dropping hundreds of dollars at once on ammo is a big ask. I recommend dropping by your local store a couple of times a month and just buy a box or two. Before you know it, you'll have built up a decent stockpile without feeling like you've broken the bank.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:11 PM (llXky)

191 186 181 Blaster, you will be happy with the HRR. Not the best, far from the worst. You will wonder how they sell them for so little. BTW, Heritage is a Taurus brand, not Ruger.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2022 08:09 PM (lz5hY)


In my head I was thinking Taurus but typed Ruger. I think because the stuff I was reading about the HRR compared it to the Ruger. Or, wait, it was autocorrect! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 08:12 PM (paGh3)

192 Most of what I see for relatively cheap on ammoseek these days is either steel or remanufactured, although every once in a while I'll see 1000 rounds of some decent 9mm for 400 shipped.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at July 03, 2022 08:11 PM (ETxad)
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Some of the scarcer stuff is starting to come back in limited quantities. I'm hoping the growing glut on 9mm and the fact that these sell out within hours will convince the heavy hitters to switch some lines back to them, or increase the run they do before switching back.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:13 PM (llXky)

193 178 Does Ace or whoever posts these threads, ever look at those ammo seller links as he implores us to buy ammo? Does he not see that prices are up 350% from 2-3 years ago and many calibers are not available?
Posted by: DFENS at July 03, 2022 08:05 PM (8nHw6)

A: who knows what Ace looks at, he's not a gun guy
B: hopefully you've been buying ammo before now
C: if you haven't been....buy ammo now. 9mm isn't cheap but it's available and it will go higher in years to come.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:13 PM (xcxpd)

194 190 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:11 PM

Good advice.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 08:13 PM (fe7in)

195 I had Colt m.38 Super about 15 years ago and after shooting it awhile asked my self 'Why?' The n I bought a RIA 1911 in 9MM and ran a hundred rounds through it, and traded it for a RIA .45ACP straight across. Now that was what I was looking for. It ain't no Sig TacOps but it can damn sure ride around in the old truck.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 08:14 PM (0OP+5)

196 Academy prices for decent 9mm FMJ is around 40 cents a round .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at July 03, 2022 08:14 PM (WMdrL)

197 And I am currently in the process of renewing both my NYC handgun license and my rifle/shotgun permit. My wallet is lighter by $520 for nonrefundable fees.

I am being told it might take 18-20 weeks to process my renewal application. Both licenses expire in August.

Yeah, I LOVE NY (heavy sarcasm)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 07:57 PM (fe7in)


And then your NYC and NY state governmental betters are busy trying to figure out how to tweak their laws to not run afoul of the SCOTUS Bruen decision while still inconveniencing you as much as humanly possible.

Here's to your escape plan, whenever you're able to put it into action.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 08:14 PM (v23vE)

198
The topic this week of Concealed Carry is convenient. I applied early last week for a CCW in Santa Clara County (i.e., San Jose) CA.

The woman minding the window at the SCC Sheriff's office was helpful, but slightly out-of-sorts. Apparently, they have only one guy doing CCW work, and have had about 500 applications since the SCOTUS decision.

I think CA is considering legislation ... I think the Sheriff will try to slow-roll me, as they did that day after Peruta. when I ask for application status in a couple of days.

This time, I'll point out that Congress or another SCOTUS case would be needed, and nothing is pending, so there's no grounds for a delay.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2022 08:15 PM (FlRtG)

199 Well that is it for me.

Thanks for the thread Weasel.

Looking forward to more lawsuits against these tyrannical States that want to trample all over our Rights.

Night All !!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 08:15 PM (fe7in)

200 165 nurse, you are a natural for IDPA.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 07:59 PM (qdW1I)

I keep telling her that...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:15 PM (xcxpd)

201 "Does Ace or whoever posts these threads"

The discerning AOSHQ reader will, of course, obtain all the info regarding this commenter's situational awareness that is needed, from those first few words. Excellent!

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:16 PM (OTzUX)

202 Good advice.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 03, 2022 08:13 PM (fe7in)
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There was a period under Obama when ammo prices spiked. My kids had swim classes at the time, so every week I'd take them to class, and go over to the store and buy one box of ammo.

By the time their class was done, I had 1,000 rounds on hand. It adds up if you just keep at it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:17 PM (llXky)

203 I feel like I am some kind of PSA fanboi but they have 100 round boxes of IAC branded (I have no idea who they are) 9mm new manufacture brass case in 115gr and 124gr for $31.99 I think the shipping is $12 flat rate so the more you buy the better price per round you are getting.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 08:17 PM (paGh3)

204 Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2022 08:15 PM (FlRtG)
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Howdy and welcome Arbalest!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:17 PM (TvjOP)

205 Scuba Dude, was just going to note that CMP has Rack ($650) and Expert ($1,100) grade M1s available right now. Hoping their selection expands when their backorders are filled.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:17 PM (OTzUX)

206 ...If I recall my armorer's facts correctly, I think all Sigs are zeroed at about that distance, so a shorter front sight might be a good solution for you.
Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 07:56 PM (0IeYL)I may go ahead and have the shorter front sight put on. I hate to have to spend more money on it since it was sorta pricey to begin with (for me).
On another note, I spotted a CZ75 compact in the shop at the range. I have a CZ75 clone (Tangfolio EAA Witness full size .45) and it is a sweet shooter. They used to make conversion kits for it in several calibers. I was looking for .22 and 9mm but they must be rare as hen's teeth. So that CZ caught my eye. But $700+ will take a bunch of deliberation and possibly trade in the Sig. Havent made up my mind yet. The Sig is highly concealable. The CZ would be slightly larger but steel frame.
Decisions...decisions

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at July 03, 2022 08:17 PM (eUsLv)

207 Ammo prices ain't coming back down.

This is the "new" normal.

Buy what and when you can and train with it if possible.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 03, 2022 08:18 PM (R/m4+)

208 178 Does Ace or whoever posts these threads, ever look at those ammo seller links as he implores us to buy ammo? Does he not see that prices are up 350% from 2-3 years ago and many calibers are not available?
Posted by: DFENS

Holy crap! You're right!

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 08:18 PM (U2p+3)

209
200 165 nurse, you are a natural for IDPA.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 07:59 PM (qdW1I)

I keep telling her that...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:15 PM (xcxpd)
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Me too!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:18 PM (TvjOP)

210 Stocks are what go on SBRs, while braces are what are sold on perfectly legal not sbr pistols like the Sig MPX and HK SP5 that looks exactly like the MP5 but isn't an SBR because it is a brace.

Because reasons.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at July 03, 2022 08:18 PM (ETxad)

211 183 ... "And yet when the US went against Spanish troops using 1893 pattern Mausers, it was obvious who had the better weapon."

Agreed. The Mauser was stronger than the Krag. Part of the problem was some of the US troops were still using Springfield Trapdoors. I don't know if the distances involved gave an advantage to the Spanish Mauser over the 30/40 Krag.

Posted by: JTB at July 03, 2022 08:19 PM (7EjX1)

212 Academy prices for decent 9mm FMJ is around 40 cents a round .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at July 03, 2022 08:14 PM (WMdrL)
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Under Obama 9mm was often $15 for a box of 50. It's testing $18 per at the moment, so not bad.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:19 PM (llXky)

213
200 165 nurse, you are a natural for IDPA.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 07:59 PM (qdW1I)

I keep telling her that...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:15 PM (xcxpd)
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Me too!
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I dunno. Maybe it's too challenging for her...

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:19 PM (TvjOP)

214 I dunno. Maybe it's too challenging for her...
Posted by: Weasel


Grrrrrr

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 08:21 PM (U2p+3)

215 Agreed. The Mauser was stronger than the Krag. Part of the problem was some of the US troops were still using Springfield Trapdoors. I don't know if the distances involved gave an advantage to the Spanish Mauser over the 30/40 Krag.

Posted by: JTB at July 03, 2022 08:19 PM (7EjX1)
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The stripper clips probably gave the Mauser and advantage on sustained rate of fire. I think I saw some sort of clip for the Krag on Forgotten Weapons, but I can't believe it would work as well.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:21 PM (llXky)

216 Ammo caliber availability, possibility of semi-auto gun and/or magazine infringement, wheel gun reliability and simplicity, solid manufacturer, I've been thinking about getting one of these...


https://tinyurl.com/mw84hjsd

Posted by: davidt at July 03, 2022 08:21 PM (oTZbj)

217 And now I read the content and see it is all about the .380 autos.

The Ruger came with a holster like the one pictured. Can someone explain the purpose of that holster? Put the whole thing in your pocket?

I need to ask some questions about how people carry the .380s
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 03, 2022 07:38 PM (5p7BC)

The Nemesis? Jah, it's a pocket holster . Nice and grippy, you draw the pistol and the holster stays in your pocket. I have one for my J frame revolver in my jacket.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:21 PM (xcxpd)

218 Once in a while, if you happen to like flea markets and garage sales, you might see a box or two of ammo for sale, often for cheap. Scarf it up even if you don't have a gun for it because somebody else does and may need it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2022 08:22 PM (lz5hY)

219

148
Progs think they're clever when they say, "There were only muskets when the Second Amendment was written,"

When the Constitution was written, abortions were performed with a rusty nail, by a witch. Probably.

Posted by: Frankly at July 03, 2022 08:22 PM (WPKwo)

220 14 I dunno. Maybe it's too challenging for her...
Posted by: Weasel


Grrrrrr
Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 08:21 PM (U2p+3)
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Ha! See what I did there?! Reverse psychology!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:22 PM (TvjOP)

221 We also used the potato digger in the Spanish American war. Our procurement department hadn't gotten much better.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at July 03, 2022 08:22 PM (WMdrL)

222 Remembering that it's a purely social piece, as long as they're all minute of torso at 20 yards or so I'd put a few hundred rounds through before making any decision one way or the other.

And that last target and story genuinely made me smile. Thanks for sharing it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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thank you so much!

I have a love hate relationship with the P365. My first gub purchase, before I met J; at the time I thought it would likely be my only gun. Easy to operate and feels very comfortable. I have a horrible flinch with it though. I have had good outings with it, especially with J; then the next time I can't hit paper. Had lots of expert coaching (including some from ettes and rons in Texas), which helps tremendously. Snap cap practice will help too. I've put a lot of rounds through but still don't really have the right feel for the trigger pull. It would be an excellent carry gun so I want to become proficient. Also I get easily discouraged but I am stubborn and J would tell me not to give up.

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 08:22 PM (pkAcY)

223 Dumb question time. Does anyone here know of a way to to recover the propellant from an unused auto collision airbag, and can it be used as an improvised propellant in a firearm? There is almost a complete dearth of any information to be found in an Internet search.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2022 08:23 PM (ynkLM)

224 My occasional check on primers and powder did not show much good news. This was a very quick check (ammoseek).

Per usual pattern, availability returns before prices start to fall. Primers .... wow. Still 3X "normal" prices for off-brand (or new to this market). Powder, only check my core powders, but better availability, prices higher but not like primers. Might pick up some TAC despite the price. Those 30-06 rounds consume powder voraciously (around 46.5g per round in my case), unlike the pistol powders, which last for years/per jug.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:23 PM (OTzUX)

225 Forgot to add no offense to John Browning .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at July 03, 2022 08:24 PM (WMdrL)

226 216 Ammo caliber availability, possibility of semi-auto gun and/or magazine infringement, wheel gun reliability and simplicity, solid manufacturer, I've been thinking about getting one of these...


https://tinyurl.com/mw84hjsd
Posted by: davidt at July 03, 2022 08:21 PM (oTZbj)

If you can find one, do it

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:24 PM (xcxpd)

227 Dumb question time. Does anyone here know of a way to to recover the propellant from an unused auto collision airbag, and can it be used as an improvised propellant in a firearm? There is almost a complete dearth of any information to be found in an Internet search.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2022 08:23 PM (ynkLM)
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I am sure some of my wife's cousins in Appalachia know the answer to this and also whether you can get a decent high off of the stuff.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:25 PM (llXky)

228 Hey weasel,
Is the. Kimber stainless pro carry II the same as yours?

They keep changing names. I like your Kimber custom carry. It's a shorter barrel, but still solid and .45 caliber. LazyMessenger has spotted one for me, but I don't want to buy something I don't want. But any Kimber 1911 would be a joy.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 08:25 PM (U2p+3)

229 Speaking of Bond Derringers, I have one in 45 Long Colt/410. I really like it and the 45 will show you snappy. Kinda fun in a masochistic sorta way.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at July 03, 2022 08:25 PM (eUsLv)

230 Religion of Peace at work again in Denmark?

Posted by: Erik In Texas at July 03, 2022 08:26 PM (RgsUm)

231 SP101's a classic and proven performer, davidt. Don't have one (yet), but have shot them and almost bought one several times. Be sure to hold/manipulate one, fire one if possible, before buying (though with handguns some "fit" issues can be addressed via new grips).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:26 PM (OTzUX)

232 Forgot to add no offense to John Browning .

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at July 03, 2022 08:24 PM (WMdrL)
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LOL, he wanted to see if he could make a machinegun out of a lever action and proved not only that he could do it, but that it would work. Air-cooled, too!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:26 PM (llXky)

233 There is almost a complete dearth of any information to be found in an Internet search.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2022 08:23 PM (ynkLM)
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Probably because it's a really bad idea. There is no one testing pressure profiles for that sort of thing, as far as I know. Interesting idea, but I wouldn't try it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:26 PM (TvjOP)

234 And a 1911 in 9mikemike has long been on my list to get. Have almost bought one several times. The weight/caliber combo ensures easy shooting.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:27 PM (OTzUX)

235 Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 08:25 PM (U2p+3)
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That might be what they're calling it these days, but I'm not really sure. I wouldn't hesitate to buy used, which is how I found mine.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:28 PM (TvjOP)

236

Indiana constitutional carry law took effect July 1.
The Indianapolis Star celebrated with this article in pictures - Fear grips Black communities ahead of new gun law effective July 1

https://archive.ph/mcAYU

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 03, 2022 08:28 PM (63Dwl)

237 And yet when the US went against Spanish troops using 1893 pattern Mausers, it was obvious who had the better weapon.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:08 PM (llXky)

One thing they found was that loading from the top with a stripper clip (be careful if you google that) was a lot faster than loading through the side magazine.

Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 08:29 PM (AmoqO)

238 Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 08:22 PM (pkAcY)
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Good! Keep plugging away!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:29 PM (TvjOP)

239 nurse, you inspire me, it is so fun and amazing to watch you shoot and I especially appreciate how you challenge us to try different drills. Big hugs to you!

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 08:30 PM (pkAcY)

240 I have a love hate relationship with the P365. My first gub purchase, before I met J; at the time I thought it would likely be my only gun. Easy to operate and feels very comfortable. I have a horrible flinch with it though. I have had good outings with it, especially with J; then the next time I can't hit paper. Had lots of expert coaching (including some from ettes and rons in Texas), which helps tremendously. Snap cap practice will help too. I've put a lot of rounds through but still don't really have the right feel for the trigger pull. It would be an excellent carry gun so I want to become proficient. Also I get easily discouraged but I am stubborn and J would tell me not to give up.
Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 08:22 PM (pkAcY)


SiD, the most helpful practice I've been able to obtain has been via classes at my local gun range. I've taken Advanced Handgun Tactics, the qualification class to shoot from holster, and Extreme Close Quarter Combat. Those classes have allowed me to practice draw and carry techniques that I ordinarily wouldn't be allowed to use, and have gotten me a much higher comfort level with my gear.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 08:30 PM (v23vE)

241 And will repeat last week's comment, since Weasel added more to his Walther .22 evaluation. For those looking for a semi in .22, consider the Smith & Wesson M&P 22 pistol. Same basic frame (smaller) as their M&P service pistol line.

I've had the occasional stove-pipe on ejection, but nothing serious, and I've tried every .22 ammo brand I have (4 or 5) without problems. Nice trigger. Accurate enough to ping steel plate easily at 50yds, intermittently at 100yds.

Made by Walther.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:30 PM (OTzUX)

242 Ammo caliber availability, possibility of semi-auto gun and/or magazine infringement, wheel gun reliability and simplicity, solid manufacturer, I've been thinking about getting one of these...

Posted by: davidt at July 03, 2022 08:21 PM (oTZbj)
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Before you proceed, check out what Charter Arms has on offer. I have an Undercoverette (the .32 HR Magnum revolver) and I've been very happy with it. It also costs quite a bit less and is very lightweight.

25 ounces (empty) for a carry gun can be a bit much by the end of the day.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:31 PM (llXky)

243 Remembering that it's a purely social piece, as long as they're all minute of torso at 20 yards or so I'd put a few hundred rounds through before making any decision one way or the other.

And that last target and story genuinely made me smile. Thanks for sharing it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 07:25 PM (etIVw)


Just caught it, but "minute of torso" is awesomely descriptive!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 08:31 PM (v23vE)

244 And SiD that Model 28 up above is a beauty. As are most Smith blued revolvers.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:31 PM (OTzUX)

245 Gotta head back out. Thanks Weasel, and everybody have a safe Independence Day. Don't forget, putting a bottle rocket in the crack of yer ass is probably not a good idea.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at July 03, 2022 08:31 PM (eUsLv)

246 Mark Andrew Edwards, in a move and shoot scenario which is harder--to shoot left across your body or right at a 45 degree away from your body?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:31 PM (qdW1I)

247 216 Ammo caliber availability, possibility of semi-auto gun and/or magazine infringement, wheel gun reliability and simplicity, solid manufacturer, I've been thinking about getting one of these...


https://tinyurl.com/mw84hjsd
Posted by: davidt at July 03, 2022 08:21 PM (oTZbj)
Moon clips can be....conoderous.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 08:31 PM (0OP+5)

248 Fear grips Black communities ahead of new gun law effective July 1

*

Before crime drops 65% overnight.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at July 03, 2022 08:32 PM (ETxad)

249 Speaking of Krags and Colt potato diggers, I saw a picture demonstrating how behind the time US Ordnance could be. Calvin Coolidge, while MA Lt Gov, is inspecting a national guardsman. The trooper is in full doughboy kit, Kelly helmet, puttees, web gear. Now, this is when Europe is ablaze and the US is close to entering WW1. The soldier is carrying a Trapdoor Springfield.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2022 08:32 PM (lz5hY)

250 I have a LCP Custom. Annodized red trigger upgrade. Sits in the wife's Explorer in that exact same holster. 4 mags. Self defense loads. Can carry in loose in shorts.

Also have the Taurus Spectrum .380. Same set up in my truck. This one is a "throwaway."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 03, 2022 08:32 PM (BFigT)

251 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at July 03, 2022 08:31 PM (eUsLv)
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Good advice! Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:32 PM (TvjOP)

252 246 Mark Andrew Edwards, in a move and shoot scenario which is harder--to shoot left across your body or right at a 45 degree away from your body?
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:31 PM (qdW1I)

Thinking...I personally shoot pretty well cross body on my left. Shooting on my right, I tend to throw rounds a little wide. That might be my stance though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:33 PM (xcxpd)

253 "Minute of torso" is exactly the phrase I use to describe my aspiration WRT accuracy shooting a service rifle like the M1 or Mosin-Nagant. At 100-150 yds (which would itself be the upper range of most actual successful engagement use, in combat, AFAIK).

That's why I really enjoy matches with movement, shooting from concealment/cover, and torso-sized steel profile targets.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:33 PM (OTzUX)

254 If you flinch:
I put dummy rounds in my magazines, in a random place. I literally roll one of my D&D dies to determine where it goes. But never the top place, too easy to spot.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 03, 2022 08:33 PM (ybIRR)

255 Plus muzzle velocities.

Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 08:34 PM (AmoqO)

256 235 And a 1911 in 9mikemike has long been on my list to get. Have almost bought one several times. The weight/caliber combo ensures easy shooting.

Having a fair amount of personal experience with a Springfield Emissary in 9mm, my experience is that it makes me, a fair shooter, into a marksman!

Posted by: Retief at July 03, 2022 08:34 PM (vSlT4)

257 241 And will repeat last week's comment, since Weasel added more to his Walther .22 evaluation. For those looking for a semi in .22, consider the Smith & Wesson M&P 22 pistol. Same basic frame (smaller) as their M&P service pistol line.

I've had the occasional stove-pipe on ejection, but nothing serious, and I've tried every .22 ammo brand I have (4 or 5) without problems. Nice trigger. Accurate enough to ping steel plate easily at 50yds, intermittently at 100yds.

Made by Walther.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:30 PM (OTzUX)

+1
The M&P Compact is a good .22 auto. Fairly reliable for a .22 auto and if you're already carrying a M&P compact, you have a similar form factor baked in as well.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:35 PM (xcxpd)

258 234 And a 1911 in 9mikemike has long been on my list to get. Have almost bought one several times. The weight/caliber combo ensures easy shooting.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:27 PM (OTzUX)

I have a 1911 in .38 Super. I may just get a 9mm barrel, recoil springs and 10 round mags for it

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:36 PM (xcxpd)

259 Actually shot a handgun match yesterday. Low round count, but relatively interesting/difficult. Lots of "weak hand only" stages or elements, some moving steel or popper-triggered "peek-a-boo" moving paper targets. Shot the XD9, which I haven't shot in ages (and it showed, a bit).

I have a lot of reloading and shooting I really should do.

But that thought somehow isn't so oppressive, compared, say, to other things I need to do, like clean out the garage, or finish changing the landscaping in one area out front. Go figure.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:36 PM (OTzUX)

260 223 Dumb question time. Does anyone here know of a way to to recover the propellant from an unused auto collision airbag, and can it be used as an improvised propellant in a firearm? There is almost a complete dearth of any information to be found in an Internet search.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2022 08:23 PM (ynkLM)
That's a great question because the airbags go off and you smell what seems to be gunpowder and taste what seems to be gunpowder. I totaled a vehicle and set off all the airbags, staggered out with blood running down my face, and the responding officers thought I'd been shot. Hell, I thought I'd been shot. Nope just run off the the road into a concrete wall sand set off all the airbags.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 08:38 PM (0OP+5)

261 Speaking of Krags and Colt potato diggers, I saw a picture demonstrating how behind the time US Ordnance could be. Calvin Coolidge, while MA Lt Gov, is inspecting a national guardsman. The trooper is in full doughboy kit, Kelly helmet, puttees, web gear. Now, this is when Europe is ablaze and the US is close to entering WW1. The soldier is carrying a Trapdoor Springfield.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2022 08:32 PM (lz5hY)
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That was because the National Guard was using what was available. All current rifles went to deploying troops because of the shortage. Prior to the Spanish War, the various state militias were state-funded, leading to wild variations in equipment standards.

Of course, even with huge amounts of federal funding, the same problem persists. The National Guard continues to use small arms that have long been out of service with the active duty. There is not even the slightest hint of the M9 leaving service any time soon.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:38 PM (llXky)

262
204 Weasel

Hi Weasel

AOP - My recollection of airbags, having watched a demo of one going off in one of my automotive classes, is that recovering the propellant is not easy, due to the airbag construction.

I think you will have much better luck using stump remover, drain cleaner and cotton balls. There are YouTube videos demonstrating this. I think that having reasonably strong chemistry experience and skill is a really good choice.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2022 08:39 PM (FlRtG)

263 MAE I didn't know there was a Compact version of the M&P 22. I got mine a month before it went off the idiotic CA "roster" a few years ago.

And for 9mm/1911, I've talked to guys at the range who bought the RIA 38 super platform, and then did the easy conversion that you mention (to 9mm). Last time I checked, it didn't pencil out (as in, offer any big cost savings) to do it that way, vs. just sniping a private sale Springfield 9mm 1911 locally (which I've come close to doing 3-4 times over the years).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:39 PM (OTzUX)

264 Goodnight all, and thank you, Weasel. Time to drink a glass of Metamucil and put the dentures soaking for the night. The aging process isn't that bad.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2022 08:39 PM (lz5hY)

265
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 03, 2022 08:39 PM (lz5hY)
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Metamucil is a miracle product! Nite bill!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 08:40 PM (0IeYL)

266 And for 9mm/1911, I've talked to guys at the range who bought the RIA 38 super platform, and then did the easy conversion that you mention (to 9mm). Last time I checked, it didn't pencil out (as in, offer any big cost savings) to do it that way, vs. just sniping a private sale Springfield 9mm 1911 locally (which I've come close to doing 3-4 times over the years).
Posted by: rhomboid at July 03, 2022 08:39 PM (OTzUX)

I should probably do some math to see if it makes sense to just buy more .38 super ammo instead...I don't shoot the pistol much as it is, just was thinking about getting into a 1911 9mm and thought I could skip a step by getting a barrel, spring and mags....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:41 PM (xcxpd)

267 All right, this is it. I'm putting my foot down. We ARE going to have a three station, 5 shot move and shoot range at the TXMoMe this year.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:41 PM (qdW1I)

268 221 We also used the potato digger in the Spanish American war. Our procurement department hadn't gotten much better.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at July 03, 2022 08:22 PM (WMdr)

What is a potato digger?

Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 08:42 PM (AmoqO)

269 267 All right, this is it. I'm putting my foot down. We ARE going to have a three station, 5 shot move and shoot range at the TXMoMe this year.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:41 PM (qdW1I)

This is just good news

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:43 PM (xcxpd)

270 That's why I really enjoy matches with movement, shooting from concealment/cover, and torso-sized steel profile targets.
Posted by: rhomboid

*

I haven't found anywhere to shoot matches, but I found a place with steel targets. That was really a revelation for me to be able to have the opportunity to switch between 100 yard plates and hear them ringing. I don't need to know where I'm hitting at that distance, just that it's hitting.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 08:43 PM (mW0yU)

271 And we WILL have a shooting MoMe in WA next year.
I'll make it happen one way or another, for those interested.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:43 PM (xcxpd)

272 What is a potato digger?
Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 08:42 PM (AmoqO)

M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:44 PM (xcxpd)

273 And we WILL have a shooting MoMe in WA next year.
I'll make it happen one way or another, for those interested.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:43 PM (xcxpd)
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I should schedule a MoMe in Detroit. I guarantee there will be great shooting scenarios!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:44 PM (llXky)

274 223 Dumb question time. Does anyone here know of a way to to recover the propellant from an unused auto collision airbag, and can it be used as an improvised propellant in a firearm? There is almost a complete dearth of any information to be found in an Internet search.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2022 08:23 PM


Almost all of the high-energy propellants for rocket fuel, airbags, etc. are highly toxic chemicals.

I think about a half of a lungful of that crap would probably kill you.

Using the propellant as one of the compounds in a toxic gas cocktail would almost certainly be more efficacious during the Burning Times than trying to use it to propel bullets!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 08:45 PM (tkyK5)

275 I should schedule a MoMe in Detroit. I guarantee there will be great shooting scenarios!
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July

Do it.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 08:46 PM (U2p+3)

276 65 Pillage Idiot, the long pull and trigger reset on the P32 is part of that design. You have to get used to it by shooting it a lot. Also, FTE's are common with people not used to a mouse auto who lim wrist. Both of these issues are tiny hurdles to get over. I think a p32 trigger pull pairs well with Carrie g a wheel gun.

I do recommend Fiocchi 73 grain ball as the most reliable carry ammo.

Posted by: Quint at July 03, 2022 08:46 PM (VkpsC)

277 What is a potato digger?
Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 08:42 PM (AmoqO)

M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:44 PM (xcxpd)
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The reason it is called a "potato digger" is that Browning used a lever action as his basis of the weapon. Of course, he didn't need the whole lever, just part of it. So there's this nub that goes back and forth as it cycles, and if you lower it on a tripod so that you aren't an obvious target, the little arm digs into the dirt - like a potato digger.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:47 PM (llXky)

278 And Ben had ,
I will be more than happy to help with that

Mark, tell me what you want.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 08:47 PM (U2p+3)

279 267 All right, this is it. I'm putting my foot down. We ARE going to have a three station, 5 shot move and shoot range at the TXMoMe this year.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:41 PM (qdW1I)


Ma'am, you had me at TXMoMe!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 08:47 PM (v23vE)

280 272, pair it with a potato masher.

Posted by: Quint at July 03, 2022 08:47 PM (VkpsC)

281 Goodnight all, and thank you, Weasel. Time to drink a glass of Metamucil and put the dentures soaking for the night. The aging process isn't that bad.
Posted by: bill in arkansas


whoa! i need more info! are you aging the dentures in metamucil?

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at July 03, 2022 08:47 PM (MrZQl)

282 I've never seen this tested, but an N-frame 357 mag should be able to fire approximately 50 bazillion 38 specials before accuracy falls off. Double that if using cast bullets.
Posted by: JTB
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Thanks, JTB, it is a really sweet gun!

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 08:48 PM (pkAcY)

283 Mark Andrew, this is going to be going left and right around an obstacle. None of this straight line stuff.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:48 PM (qdW1I)

284 Shoot and scoot.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 08:48 PM (U2p+3)

285 Congrats to aii you NY handgun owners! You can "carry" to the range, or onto state lands, but everywhere else is off-limits.

So basically you are limited to practice, and keeping it with you at home, or in your vehicle. Step pit of the car while carrying? No no! You are in a sensitive zone. Hand it over. On the ground! NOW!!!

Posted by: Mr Gaga at July 03, 2022 08:48 PM (4ZE6o)

286 They keep changing names. I like your Kimber custom carry. It's a shorter barrel, but still solid and .45 caliber. LazyMessenger has spotted one for me, but I don't want to buy something I don't want. But any Kimber 1911 would be a joy.
Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 08:25 PM (U2p+3)


Kimber is an interesting manufacturer. They are apparently the largest manufacturer of 1911s in the US.
That means they make a lot of "low end" (MSRP $799) pistols, too. sra blaster and I each have Raptor II which is pricier and very, very nice - comes from the "Custom Shop" which means something not just an entirely marketing situation. BUT - they sell things like the "Custom Carry" which doesn't come from the Custom Shop. Their "low end" pistols are pretty good. Their Custom shop products are very good.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 08:49 PM (paGh3)

287 AOP - My recollection of airbags, having watched a demo of one going off in one of my automotive classes, is that recovering the propellant is not easy, due to the airbag construction.

I think you will have much better luck using stump remover, drain cleaner and cotton balls. There are YouTube videos demonstrating this. I think that having reasonably strong chemistry experience and skill is a really good choice.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 03, 2022 08:39 PM (FlRtG)

Well, the question arose in my mind since I am parting out a Dodge Dakota. I am pretty certain there is no legal market for used airbags, due to liability concerns. I read ONE report on the 'net where some guy in England used the propellant from an airbag to fire a small missile from a spigot launcher (basically an inside-out mortar).

If I do mess with it, I will wear protective gear, and use long extensions on my screwdrivers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2022 08:51 PM (oykE+)

288 Do it.
-- nurse ratched
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LOL.

I was scrolling fast and thought you were replying to "I think about a half of a lungful of that crap would probably kill you."!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 03, 2022 08:52 PM (yikp0)

289 It's not a 1911 but a modified CZ design (iirc), but I think it was Mark who posted the link for the used Jericho 941F a few years ago. That's maybe the best 9mm platform I own.* IMI (later became IWI and I think production was moved out of country), too, so made in Israel, which is a neat oddity. Huge, all steel, heavy, and stable and heck. It always reminds me of a 1911 when I'm shooting it. What a great pistol. Thanks again Mark or to whoever recommended it if wasn't you.


* Yes I'll still grab the P95 for a SHTF scenario, but for accuracy and pleasure of shooting the Jericho wins.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 08:52 PM (mW0yU)

290 Using the propellant as one of the compounds in a toxic gas cocktail would almost certainly be more efficacious during the Burning Times than trying to use it to propel bullets!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 03, 2022 08:45 PM


Ummm, is it edible?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Eric Swalwell, (D-CA) at July 03, 2022 08:53 PM (a3Q+t)

291
Do it.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 08:46 PM (U2p+3)
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The chief difficulty will be installing the kevlar armor on the vehicles.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:53 PM (llXky)

292 283 Mark Andrew, this is going to be going left and right around an obstacle. None of this straight line stuff.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:48 PM (qdW1I)

I dig it.
No telling what angle a goblin may come at you.
I can't wait to hear how it goes!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:55 PM (xcxpd)

293 nurse, you and I will design this.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:55 PM (qdW1I)

294 It's not a 1911 but a modified CZ design (iirc), but I think it was Mark who posted the link for the used Jericho 941F a few years ago. That's maybe the best 9mm platform I own.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 08:52 PM (mW0yU)
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This is on my list to own. Naturally, I'll lose it while canoeing within a week, but it will be worth it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:55 PM (llXky)

295 I have one pistol that serves as my carry piece. I shoot it exclusively. It's my Dad's service pistol, an M1911A1.

All I'll say is that I'm pretty decent with it.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 03, 2022 08:55 PM (KATBx)

296 Ummm, is it edible?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Eric Swalwell, (D-CA) at July 03, 2022 08:53 PM (a3Q+t)

Speaking of edible, Imma go grill a steak. It's getting hungry out.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2022 08:56 PM (oykE+)

297
Kimber is an interesting manufacturer. They are apparently the largest manufacturer of 1911s in the US.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 08:49 PM (paGh3)
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Kimber used to have a stellar reputation, but I've heard that like so many other manufacturers, they have cut corners. Maybe they've addressed it.

I'm somewhat neutral because I've been generally uninterested in 1911s and now that I'm into them, I still have no interest in a upper-end one.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:58 PM (llXky)

298 Howdy Weasel ... quick range report and then back to the content. Just back from taking the missus out for dinner.

I'd really like to have her join the Regular Sunday Morning Shooters. She met everyone at last weekend's b-day fest. And they like her and she likes them. So maybe good times ahead. Heh ... and maybe more guns to buy!

Good day at the range. I carry the HK 2000sk in the Summer and a Glock 19x in the cold season. (For us ... 8 months of the year) So I wanted to brush up on my Glock trigger skills.

I don't know what others do, but my coach encouraged me to do warm-up slow fire at 30 feet and then work into my regular drill. Seems to help.

Wonder how other people handle this??

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 08:58 PM (MEbkQ)

299 M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 08:44 PM (xcxpd)
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The reason it is called a "potato digger" is that Browning used a lever action as his basis of the weapon. Of course, he didn't need the whole lever, just part of it. So there's this nub that goes back and forth as it cycles, and if you lower it on a tripod so that you aren't an obvious target, the little arm digs into the dirt - like a potato digger.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:47 PM (llXky)

Ah, OK. My Dad was pictured in the Browning M1919 A-4 machine gun manual incidentally. I have a copy.

Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 08:58 PM (AmoqO)

300 Oh, I forgot to mention that I'm probably going to crash the Moron Gun Club in NoVa in a few weeks!

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 09:00 PM (pkAcY)

301 I have one pistol that serves as my carry piece. I shoot it exclusively. It's my Dad's service pistol, an M1911A1.

All I'll say is that I'm pretty decent with it.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 03, 2022 08:55 PM (KATBx)
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I would never use an heirloom as a carry weapon.

If I have to use it, I may never get it back.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 09:00 PM (llXky)

302 I like the LEM trigger action on my new HK35SK. No safety. No full-cock with the thumb like the DA/SA variant. A half-rack slide cocks it, but the trigger needs a long pull before you feel the wall.

Repetitively firing, you let the trigger out after each discharge, just a tiny bit beyond the wall, and then you go again.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at July 03, 2022 09:01 PM (4ZE6o)

303 This is on my list to own. Naturally, I'll lose it while canoeing within a week, but it will be worth it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

*

You will not be disappointed. I think there are a few variations. Mine is single action only with a thumb safety like a 1911. I think there are decocker versions, too, but I don't know if they're from the IMI era.

Mine looks like absolute garbage from being thrown in a crate with 500 other 941Fs, but it still oozes quality when you use it. It would take an absurd offer to buy it from me.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:01 PM (mW0yU)

304 67 All right, this is it. I'm putting my foot down. We ARE going to have a three station, 5 shot move and shoot range at the TXMoMe this year.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:41 PM (qdW1I)

Can one qualify with a walker?

Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 09:02 PM (AmoqO)

305 Got a Sig P239 9mm with an IWB holster.
Great summer carry pistol.
T shirt and shorts, no printing.

Posted by: Jeff Gillooly at July 03, 2022 09:04 PM (z9V4B)

306 Kimber used to have a stellar reputation, but I've heard that like so many other manufacturers, they have cut corners. Maybe they've addressed it.

I'm somewhat neutral because I've been generally uninterested in 1911s and now that I'm into them, I still have no interest in a upper-end one.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 08:58 PM (llXky)


They started as high end. As they grew their market share they had to democratize (some might say debase) their product line. I don't think that there has been much grousing about the high end product even after the democratization.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:04 PM (paGh3)

307 I don't know what others do, but my coach encouraged me to do warm-up slow fire at 30 feet and then work into my regular drill. Seems to help.

Wonder how other people handle this??
Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 08:58 PM (MEbkQ)

Yep. Slow fire for the first mag, then start drills.

Also dry fire before each stage also helps with flinches, I find.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at July 03, 2022 09:05 PM (xcxpd)

308
I don't know what others do, but my coach encouraged me to do warm-up slow fire at 30 feet and then work into my regular drill. Seems to help.

Wonder how other people handle this??
Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 08:58 PM (MEbkQ)
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Great way to start any practice session!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:05 PM (0IeYL)

309 At the risk of sounding like a shill, Galco Holsters is having an Independence Day sale - 20% off orders up to $150 and 25% on orders of $150 or more. They make good holsters.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 03, 2022 09:05 PM (dVlo/)

310 9 m m 1 2 4 gr in 50-round boxes is Cdn 29.95 [approx. US $23.24] How's that in comparison to yours??

Excuse b.s. spacing -- trying to avoid sp@m ban

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 03, 2022 09:06 PM (yikp0)

311 302 Mr. Gage ....

I have the same trigger on my P200sk and feel pretty much the same. LEM triggers are very personal and it seems that people either love 'em or hate 'em.

I bought mine partly as a DA revolver substitute ... the action mimics a traditional DA and forces me to pay attention, and to improve my trigger work. It's been a good training tool for me ... lord knows I need it. ;-)

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 09:06 PM (MEbkQ)

312 Hello, Weasel and horde!

Posted by: Ed L at July 03, 2022 09:07 PM (/lmRp)

313 Weasel ... of course the coach shows up with his Dan Wesson and Standard Manufacturing 1911's and I stop shooting to drool.

I hate him ;-)

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 09:07 PM (MEbkQ)

314 Posted by: Ed L at July 03, 2022 09:07 PM (/lmRp)
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Howdy Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:07 PM (0IeYL)

315 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 09:07 PM (MEbkQ)
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Of course you do!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

316 weasel has affected my shooting style at the range. I am no longer taking a ton of time to line up a shot and work on making the smallest hole in the paper. I shoot faster now with less accuracy as measured by micrometer I guess, but in general working on a larger volume of fire and get that more accurate.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:09 PM (paGh3)

317 From the content: "Not only when you are walking through the bad side of town at midnight with twenty-dollar bills hanging out of your pockets, but whenever you go out."

When I got the CCL, I committed to a "carry everywhere" approach. If I leave the house/property, I'm carrying.

Just not to the garage or water the garden ... but off the property, I carry.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 09:10 PM (MEbkQ)

318 I am sure some of my wife's cousins in Appalachia know the answer to this and also whether you can get a decent high off of the stuff.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Uh...just as a matter of curiosity...what is the family name of your wife's cousins? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, in Appalachia. at July 03, 2022 09:10 PM (l0mb7)

319 #310 BTW, that 9mm is for my nephew's Jericho!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 03, 2022 09:10 PM (yikp0)

320 Excuse b.s. spacing -- trying to avoid sp@m ban
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 03, 2022 09:06 PM (yikp0)


As above PSA has 124 grain 9mm for $31.99 a 100 round box.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:12 PM (paGh3)

321 "254 If you flinch: I put dummy rounds in my magazines, in a random place. I literally roll one of my D&D dies to determine where it goes. But never the top place, too easy to spot."
Load up 5 magazines. Put 1 or 2 dummy rounds into each magazine. Drop all all the mags into your dump pouch, stir gently. Pull magazines from the dump pouch and shove them into your mag carriers without looking - it won't matter if the dummy is the first round if you don't peek. Shoot your drill. When you hit a dummy, tap, rack, and roll (or see below) and continue the mission. It is the best malfunction drill. Do it all the time - whenever you shoot. it's weird to get a malfunction, tap-rack-roll to an empty mag, reload and get another one. By the way, I was trained to roll the gun then whack with the heel of my support hand then grab the slide and rack it. I think it is better.

Posted by: richard at July 03, 2022 09:12 PM (xGLnO)

322 Also dry fire before each stage also helps with flinches, I find.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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I just started doing that this week. It helps me.

My buddy and I also discussed whether it's better to start out with our "easy" gun to warm up; I've been doing the opposite, and finishing up with my easy or fun gun to regain some confidence after stinking it up ;-)

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 09:12 PM (pkAcY)

323 Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:09 PM (paGh3)
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I have found that by focusing on the fundamentals of grip mechanics, trigger pull and sight alignment, tighter groups are the result.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:12 PM (0IeYL)

324 All of a sudden we got what sounds like an intense firefight coming from all directions. Little pre4th warmup, I guess. Been dead quiet then just erupted.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 03, 2022 09:12 PM (KATBx)

325 #310 I just realized why my original #310 was rejected as sp@m three times in a row despite my rewrite attempts -- it was B l a z e r ammunition.

FM.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 03, 2022 09:12 PM (yikp0)

326 Also, use extreme caution when listening to anything I have to say!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:13 PM (TvjOP)

327 can barely keep my eyes open. thank you for the gub thread Weasel.

g'night everyone.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at July 03, 2022 09:13 PM (MrZQl)

328 I had a dream that governor Hocomb of NYS (or however its spelled) will be gone in the new year, its only a dream, but I can hope, can't I.

Posted by: Colin at July 03, 2022 09:14 PM (YVx1O)

329 Blaster ... this was one of the hardest lessons for me. Too many bad training sessions/assumptions as a kid. Like you, I got a lot better with Weasel's advice. Some version of "see it - shoot it" can be helpful.

My coach has been know the come up behind me and simply say "Shoot." And then "Shoot" again if when I'm aiming.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 09:14 PM (MEbkQ)

330 As above PSA has 124 grain 9mm for $31.99 a 100 round box.
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Thank you, blaster.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 03, 2022 09:14 PM (yikp0)

331 Ola, ca va?

Pulled the Rem 700 in 5.56 out on Sat and started the long process of truing up the ballistics calculator ranging back to 800 mtrs, only got to 400 mtrs before the light became a problem as its winter time and low sun right into the face. Only had to adjust .1 mil elevation down, so happy about that. Will see what happens from 500 to 800 in a week or so.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 03, 2022 09:14 PM (bgJ0E)

332 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 09:10 PM (MEbkQ)
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Excellent.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:14 PM (TvjOP)

333 Sounds like you all are next door

Posted by: Skip at July 03, 2022 09:15 PM (2JoB8)

334 "I have found that by focusing on the fundamentals of grip mechanics, trigger pull and sight alignment, tighter groups are the result."

True gun control.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 03, 2022 09:16 PM (KATBx)

335 267 All right, this is it. I'm putting my foot down. We ARE going to have a three station, 5 shot move and shoot range at the TXMoMe this year.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:41 PM (qdW1I)

Rifle or pistola? Can we run a lot?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 03, 2022 09:16 PM (bgJ0E)

336 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 03, 2022 09:14 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:16 PM (TvjOP)

337 Javems, how 'bout we let you shoot out of the gator?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 09:17 PM (qdW1I)

338 The question that really needs to be answered here. can you stop a Terminator?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX___7TgN9Q

Posted by: exdem13 at July 03, 2022 09:17 PM (W+kMI)

339 336 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 03, 2022 09:14 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy amigo!
Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:16 PM (TvjOP)
Gidday Mr Weasel!

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 03, 2022 09:18 PM (bgJ0E)

340 324 same here

Posted by: Quint at July 03, 2022 09:18 PM (UUUX+)

341 337 Javems, how 'bout we let you shoot out of the gator?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 09:17 PM (qdW1I)

That might work, if someone else drives.

Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 09:19 PM (AmoqO)

342 You will not be disappointed. I think there are a few variations. Mine is single action only with a thumb safety like a 1911. I think there are decocker versions, too, but I don't know if they're from the IMI era.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:01 PM (mW0yU)
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I'm sure I won't. Many years ago a local store had a "Baby Eagle" and I loved it, but was too broke to afford it.

Then other priorities emerged, but I've never forgotten how good it felt in the hand.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 09:19 PM (llXky)

343 https://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale
A great place to shop.

Posted by: Jeff Gillooly at July 03, 2022 09:20 PM (z9V4B)

344 OK! 9:21-ish thank you time!

Thank You!

Thanks for being here tonite. Y'all are the best!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:21 PM (0IeYL)

345 Weasel ... your advice on mechanics is pretty much what's been preached to me. Pretty darn effective. We started doing failure drills again: 2 - body; 1- head. And it was all pure fundamentals. I wasn't thinking, wasn't "aiming," was mostly just waiting on the recoil to settle. Shoot, don't think, kind of thing. Good, solid repeatable results from a 70 year old man with 4 eye surgeries and who knows what else.

Great advice

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 09:21 PM (MEbkQ)

346 Thanks as always Weasel.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:21 PM (mW0yU)

347 Uh...just as a matter of curiosity...what is the family name of your wife's cousins? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, in Appalachia. at July 03, 2022 09:10 PM (l0mb7)
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It wouldn't do you much good as she married a Yankee carpetbagger and then became Catholic.

We're not invited to the reunions.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 09:23 PM (llXky)

348 swa isn't here as she is watching Top Gun in IMAX right now, but she has had good luck with Roger's Sporting Goods and ammo. I think they are free shipping over $100 and they are having a pretty good 4th of July sale now.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:23 PM (paGh3)

349 7 dead, 30 wounded in Chicago this weekend

Posted by: DB at July 03, 2022 09:23 PM (geLO8)

350 I'm afraid to ask about whig. Last time I did he showed up one comment later. He doing OK?

Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 09:23 PM (AmoqO)

351 Family in the other room ... got to go.

Thanks for another good thready Weasel.

Happy 4th all.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 09:24 PM (MEbkQ)

352 sra blaster wants a Desert Eagle just because. She even likes that crazy gold plated Trump version.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:24 PM (paGh3)

353 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 09:21 PM (MEbkQ)
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Great to hear! Once you begin to commit everything to muscle memory, tighter groups are the natural result. Going to the range and focusing just on making small groups doesn't really get you anywhere. Focusing on fundamentals does.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:24 PM (0IeYL)

354
I had a dream that governor Hocomb of NYS (or however its spelled) will be gone in the new year, its only a dream, but I can hope, can't I.
Posted by: Colin


You're mixing Hochul (New York) with Holcolmb (Indiana).

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 03, 2022 09:24 PM (63Dwl)

355 You're mixing Hochul (New York) with Holcolmb (Indiana).
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 03, 2022 09:24 PM (63Dwl)


You got Holcolmb in my Hochul!

Ewwww.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:26 PM (paGh3)

356 7 dead, 30 wounded in Chicago this weekend

*

They really should consider passing some gun laws.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:26 PM (mW0yU)

357 All right, this is it. I'm putting my foot down. We ARE going to have a three station, 5 shot move and shoot range at the TXMoMe this year.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 08:41 PM (qdW1I)

Can one qualify with a walker?
Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 09:02 PM (AmoqO)


Im thinking a 30cal mount?

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2022 09:26 PM (anj39)

358
Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:21 PM (mW0yU)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:27 PM (TvjOP)

359 Thank you Weasel and Horde for an excellent thread as always!

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 09:27 PM (pkAcY)

360 7 dead, 30 wounded in Chicago this weekend
*
They really should consider passing some gun laws.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:26 PM (mW0yU)
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I blame Florida's lax gun laws. I mean, isn't it obvious?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 09:27 PM (llXky)

361 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at July 03, 2022 09:24 PM (MEbkQ)
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My pleasure. Thanks for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:28 PM (TvjOP)

362 356 7 dead, 30 wounded in Chicago this weekend

*

They really should consider passing some gun laws.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:26 PM (mW0yU)
Indiana's like the honeybadger, don't give a fcuk.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 09:28 PM (0OP+5)

363 They really should consider passing some gun laws.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:26 PM (mW0yU)

And mandate range time for gang-bangers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 03, 2022 09:28 PM (kzf+n)

364
You got Holcolmb in my Hochul!

Ewwww.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:26 PM (paGh3)
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KILL ME NOW!

Posted by: Governor Holcolmb at July 03, 2022 09:28 PM (llXky)

365 Can one qualify with a walker?

*

Write "Texas Ranger" on it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:28 PM (mW0yU)

366 Posted by: screaming in digital at July 03, 2022 09:27 PM (pkAcY)
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Thank YOU!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:28 PM (TvjOP)

367 Thanks, Weasel. Besides church, this is the Sunday highlight for me.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 09:29 PM (0OP+5)

368 Can one qualify with a walker?
Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 09:02 PM (AmoqO)


Im thinking a 30cal mount?

Posted by: Diogenes at July 03, 2022 09:26 PM (anj39)

Now we're talkin. Although I'm partial to an M-60.

Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 09:30 PM (AmoqO)

369 367 Thanks, Weasel. Besides church, this is the Sunday highlight for me.
Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 09:29 PM (0OP+5)


Same here. Thanks, Eromero and Weasel!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 09:30 PM (v23vE)

370 I'll bring my Norwegian Krag to the TxMoMeet. We can burn-off some 120gr. ammo through it, as my Swedish Mauser really doesn't like the them, nor does my Ruger African.

Recent pistol acquisition. Beretta Neos .22 LR. Not liking it so far, and haven't had it out to the range yet. Front sight sits about 3 degrees out of true to the right, the trigger is mush, and the mag release is a button above the trigger guard, activated by the (right) trigger guard.

Thought it'd be a good addition to the for-training corral, but it'd be a sin to try to train anyone *with* it, as it is. What it WILL be good for, I think, is trade bait at a gun show or such.

Was at Academy today, bought a 100 rd. case of 12ga no.8 shot, for trying out the Lamber O/U. Oh, and a couple 100 rd. packs of CCI Mini Mags, at $12.95 ea. (ouch) But, CCI Mini Mags.

Best recent VERY in-context example of that the 2A is FOR? The Bundy Ranch Standoff. Not only did the citizens prevail against the heavy-handed Interior Cops, but later prevailed for their cause in court. So weak was the Govt. claim to that land, that an Obama Judge threw it out with prejudice.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 03, 2022 09:30 PM (tkOps)

371 Nevada Bob's wind is moving right to left, but very slightly.

Well? Weasel? how far off am I?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 03, 2022 09:31 PM (XIJ/X)

372 Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:24 PM (paGh3)

Blaster, the Deagle might look cool, but I think the new Colt Python will do a better job of holding its value. One of my co-workers had about $1500 into his .357 Deagle and only got back about $800 when he sold it earlier this year. My two cents.

Weasel, thanks for hosting, and enjoy your 4th!

Posted by: Ed L at July 03, 2022 09:32 PM (/lmRp)

373 Indiana's like the honeybadger, don't give a fcuk.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 09:28 PM (0OP+5)
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It's really funny to argue with gun controllers about this. They don't want to admit that there are cultural elements at work, but the know it, and if you are persistent (and approach the matter very delicately), they will basically admit black people can't be trusted with guns.

Speaking of which, didn't the LA Times basically say just that in response to the recent Supreme Court ruling? As if black people couldn't already lawfully own guns?

These people are beyond parody. They are better at projection than my second grade filmstrip machine.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 09:32 PM (llXky)

374 Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 09:29 PM (0OP+5)
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Thank you Eromero!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:32 PM (0IeYL)

375 Gotta blow, lunch beckons. Thanks Mr Weasel.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 03, 2022 09:35 PM (bgJ0E)

376
Well? Weasel? how far off am I?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 03, 2022 09:31 PM (XIJ/X)
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Give the man a can of SpaghettiOs! Slight right wind to start then a boil near the end.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:35 PM (0IeYL)

377 One of my co-workers had about $1500 into his .357 Deagle and only got back about $800 when he sold it earlier this year. My two cents.

Weasel, thanks for hosting, and enjoy your 4th!
Posted by: Ed L at July 03, 2022 09:32 PM (/lmRp)


You know me. I'd buy the $800 one!

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:35 PM (paGh3)

378 Thanks Ed L! You too!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:36 PM (0IeYL)

379 Recent pistol acquisition. Beretta Neos .22 LR. Not liking it so far, and haven't had it out to the range yet. Front sight sits about 3 degrees out of true to the right, the trigger is mush, and the mag release is a button above the trigger guard, activated by the (right) trigger guard.

Thought it'd be a good addition to the for-training corral, but it'd be a sin to try to train anyone *with* it, as it is. What it WILL be good for, I think, is trade bait at a gun show or such.

Posted by: Jim at July 03, 2022 09:30 PM (tkOps)
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I think the best training option is either some sort of .22 LR revolver (because revolvers are great for new shooters) or the much-loved Beretta Cheetah.

Everyone loves to shoot the Cheetah. Eris almost walked off with it a couple of years ago.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 09:36 PM (llXky)

380 Adios, NZFrank!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:37 PM (0IeYL)

381 Posted by: irongrampa at July 03, 2022 08:55 PM (KATBx)

FYI, WWII era M1911A1s have slides that use a weaker steel than today's. As a result, they will crack (aka "catastrophically fail") at some point. Keep in mind that the M1911s were originally tested only to 6,000 rounds before component replacement. Modern shooters can push far beyond those limits today. If you can afford it, retire the old piece and get a new one.

Posted by: Ed L at July 03, 2022 09:38 PM (/lmRp)

382 Well thanks Weasel, and goodnight guys and gals. The key lime pie is putting me to sleep.

Posted by: Javems at July 03, 2022 09:38 PM (AmoqO)

383 Weasel. I'll straight up say it. Your Gun Thread is a major reason that so many of us remain in the fight. You do a service here, both to us all, and to our Country.

Given the Braun rulings, let's all go on the offense. Between now and the TxMoMeet, I promise to find at least ONE non-shooter, and bring them to Convert Status. And will report on it, too.

Hope many keep the same promise. We can make more happy warriors than they fear in their nightmares.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 03, 2022 09:38 PM (tkOps)

384 Recent pistol acquisition. Beretta Neos .22 LR. Not liking it so far, and haven't had it out to the range yet. Front sight sits about 3 degrees out of true to the right, the trigger is mush...

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Wait, those are bull barreled target pistols, aren't they?

Those things don't seem to be ideal in that purchase.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:39 PM (mW0yU)

385 Posted by: Jim at July 03, 2022 09:38 PM (tkOps)
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Thank you, Jim. I appreciate that very much!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:39 PM (0IeYL)

386 Nite Javems!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:40 PM (0IeYL)

387 Recent pistol acquisition. Beretta Neos .22 LR. Not liking it so far, and haven't had it out to the range yet.

Posted by: Jim at July 03, 2022 09:30 PM (tkOps)

I'd like to recommend a .22LR pistol that is a marvel. A friend let me shoot his and I was hooked!

https://tinyurl.com/2mynyd22

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 03, 2022 09:41 PM (XIJ/X)

388 A closing note--We have a group rate discount for rooms. Email me for info.

See you in Oct.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 09:41 PM (qdW1I)

389 Posted by: Ben Had at July 03, 2022 09:41 PM (qdW1I)
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Nite Ben Had!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:43 PM (TvjOP)

390 (holds envelope up to head)

Browning Buckmark?

Don't ask me to guess the model, though. There are probably more than a dozen.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:43 PM (mW0yU)

391 It's getting late, but I'll throw in another reminder: Buy snap caps when you buy a gun.

If you get a 9mm, buy the snap caps too. Factor it into the purchase cost.

Not only will these help you run loading/clearing drills, they can help identify situations where something isn't working quite right. If there's a problem ejecting, or feeding from the magazine, you don't want to test that with live ammo. Use snap caps.

Here endeth the lesson.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 09:44 PM (llXky)

392 CBD remember that the holster you buy (hopefully leather cause it's best) should be worthy of the firearm. And worth of you. Your GrandDaddy advice for today.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 09:45 PM (0OP+5)

393 Browning Buckmark?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:43 PM (mW0yU)

Ya think?

Jim let me shoot his in TX last year and I had to have one!

But I have two other .22LR semi-autos that just sit in my safe. I don't even bother with them any more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 03, 2022 09:45 PM (XIJ/X)

394 remember that the holster you buy (hopefully leather cause it's best) should be worthy of the firearm.

Posted by: Eromero at July 03, 2022 09:45 PM (0OP+5)

That's a very good point. And holsters are tougher to shop for than pistols!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 03, 2022 09:46 PM (XIJ/X)

395 A.H. Lloyd. Bought the NEOS from a gent who was moving to Mexico, post divorce. As in, before the ink was dry on the final decree.

$200, box, papers, two mags, I figured, "why not?" Now I know why not.

I get similar reactions to the pair of Browning Buckmarks that you do with your Cheetah. People love 'em!


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 03, 2022 09:46 PM (tkOps)

396 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 09:44 PM (llXky)
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Excellent advice!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:46 PM (TvjOP)

397 The Buckmarks really are fantastic little pistols. I looked at one a few years ago that had the grip angle of the 1911, which I thought was a clever way to bring some new shooters over.

I've never owned one but I've shot a bunch, and yeah, if I weren't already fairly satisfied with my .22s I'd buy one in a heartbeat. They were once horrors to disassemble. I hope they've improved that design to make them a bit more user friendly.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:48 PM (mW0yU)

398 That's a very good point. And holsters are tougher to shop for than pistols!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 03, 2022 09:46 PM (XIJ/X)


Best advice that I ever read, and I can't remember where:

The gun and the holster are a system, and they need to work together to be effective.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 09:48 PM (v23vE)

399 ONT is up, y'all! Have a great week and hope to see all y'all right here next Sunday!

Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:49 PM (0IeYL)

400 Nood is up ONT

Posted by: Picric at July 03, 2022 09:49 PM (13tTk)

401 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 09:44 PM (llXky)

+1 on the snap caps. Cheap practice, safe dry firing, practice loading, reloading, and emptying the weapon. All key tasks best practiced w/ snap caps vice live ammo.

Posted by: Ed L at July 03, 2022 09:49 PM (/lmRp)

402 Oh, and Happy Independence Day!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:49 PM (0IeYL)

403 I may just have to go to Cabelas and get an HRR. It's intended purpose is to have a little gun to teach my soon to be 17 yo daughter to shoot with. And for snake shot on our property in Florida.

Posted by: blaster at July 03, 2022 09:49 PM (paGh3)

404 399 ONT is up, y'all! Have a great week and hope to see all y'all right here next Sunday!

Nite!
Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:49 PM (0IeYL)


Thank you as always, Weasel. The free and low-cost advice you offer each week are priceless!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 03, 2022 09:50 PM (v23vE)

405 Okay, the ONT is up, thanks again Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 03, 2022 09:52 PM (llXky)

406 A question about Nevada Dave's log shots... am I reading it correct that the bullet dropped 21 feet? So he'd have to aim 21 feet high?

Either way I am impressed. I'd love to learn more about long distance shooting

Posted by: 496 at July 03, 2022 09:53 PM (U1eOr)

407 As society becomes more and more unhinged, and I am afraid that's going to continue to be the case going forward, you need to be prepared to defend yourself. That means being a gun owner, buying ammunition, and training periodically. Think of gun ownership as insurance against the unknown and unforeseeable.

Thoughts? Am I full of poo?
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No, you're so spot-on, it's like a singularity of logic.

There's a video of a 50-something male clerk at a Macy's getting a beat down by a youth while his youth buddy chuckles and films it. The man - the clerk - ended up on the floor taking fists to the face from a young thug shouting "bitch!" at him.

Had that clerk had my Ruger LCP in his pocket in that moment - he'd only be begging for his life on the floor if he CHOSE to be there. The gun makes you an active participant.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at July 03, 2022 09:54 PM (vSlVn)

408 Thank you weasel.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 09:55 PM (U2p+3)

409 A question about Nevada Dave's log shots... am I reading it correct that the bullet dropped 21 feet? So he'd have to aim 21 feet high?

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I can't speak to that, but I watched a 1000 yard black powder shoot once and I think I was told the round was 30 or so feet off the ground at its highest point, so it would make sense.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 09:58 PM (mW0yU)

410 Posted by: 496 at July 03, 2022 09:53 PM (U1eOr)
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Sort of.. The bullet follows a ballistic arc to the target, but he was aimed that high over the horizontal to have the bullet arrive on target given the velocity of the bullet, it's ballistic characteristics, the atmospheric conditions, and the 1000 yd distance.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:59 PM (0IeYL)

411 Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at July 03, 2022 09:55 PM (U2p+3)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 09:59 PM (0IeYL)

412 The high point in the ballistic arc is called the 'max ordinate' and for a .308 round at 1000 yds is about 16 feet.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 10:01 PM (0IeYL)

413 The max ordinate for a particular cartridge is useful to know when you are shooting over or under obstacles like trees and so forth.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 10:03 PM (0IeYL)

414 Thanks for the knowledge. I can't imagine aiming so high, but then again I've never shot longer than about 100 yards. In my retirement, if I ever get there, I hope to dig into long distance shooting.

Posted by: 496 at July 03, 2022 10:08 PM (U1eOr)

415 Max Ordinate would be a good screen name.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 10:11 PM (mW0yU)

416 Posted by: 496 at July 03, 2022 10:08 PM (U1eOr)
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Any chance you can make it to the TXMoMe? We do some mid-range shooting there. If you ever have questions, just drop me a line.

Posted by: Weasel at July 03, 2022 10:33 PM (TvjOP)

417
415 Max Ordinate would be a good screen name.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - witness the Amber Heard presidency at July 03, 2022 10:11 PM (mW0yU)
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Yep!

Posted by: Max Ordinate at July 03, 2022 10:35 PM (0IeYL)

418 "I would never use an heirloom as a carry weapon.
If I have to use it, I may never get it back."

This has been my point regarding Glocks.
You have it, you might need it, if you do, you might need to get rid of it. Maybe quickly, in pieces.
No big heartbreak.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at July 03, 2022 10:45 PM (jTmQV)

419 Weasel, y'all might want to check this out for the LCP:

https://gallowayprecision.com/ruger/lcp/

Actually, they have a number of performance parts for many other guns, so everyone might want to take a peek at their site. (They're running a 10% off sale for the Fourth, BTW.)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 03, 2022 07:40 PM (a3Q+t)

+1
The LCP has some fiddly bits and small springs in the trigger mechanism that would make a Glock aficionado curse, but the Galloway part helped the trigger a lot.
Mine is in 9mm, so I also put in a heavier recoil spring to mitigate recoil and reduce wear on the Tactical Tupperware frame parts.

Posted by: waepnedmann at July 03, 2022 11:43 PM (kYRDr)

420 Thanks for the shooty-goodness and association with like-minded folks.

Posted by: waepnedmann at July 04, 2022 12:01 AM (kYRDr)

421 Rookie question but I'm basically shameless so...


While I'm very happy with my M&P40, is it possible to swap in a 9mm barrel...?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 04, 2022 12:12 AM (8fxF+)

422 God Bless America
God Bless President Trump
Go to Hell RedState.com

Posted by: Tracy at July 04, 2022 01:10 AM (MSGLe)

423 Always fight for the right to arm bears.

Happy 4th, y’all!

Go to the range, make some noise.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 04, 2022 03:00 AM (lE1L7)

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