The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

Capital punishment has been a catastrophic failure in America for generations. In its current form the time between conviction for a capital crime and the execution of the sentences is often measured in decades, which is exactly the wrong message to send to those would commit those crimes. And all too often the criminal is turned into a celebrity by a compliant press, always willing to do the bidding of the hard left and make these murderers into symbols of capitalist/white oppression. Add to that the obscene expense and use of judicial resources for the never-ending appeals of trivialities, and the inescapable conclusion is that capital punishment does not work for society.

Sure, there are a few examples of swift justice; Timothy McVeigh comes to mind. But even his sentence took six years! So while I appreciate the sentiment of this well-argued article, the reality is that America is incapable of conducting its legal affairs in any way remotely connected to the Constitution and its guarantees of speedy trials, so why bother?

But the real flaw here is the presumption of something else entirely; that our politicians have any interest in justice and decreasing crime.

You Know What Would Deter More Shootings Than Red Flag Laws? Executing Mass Killers Quickly

It's time to end this cycle. If politicians are serious that they're sick of "living with this carnage," the Highland Park shooter should be tried and convicted on the basis of his confession and executed immediately. Perhaps instead of inspiring another coward to pick up a gun, it will inspire them to think again.

The glorification of these mass murderers is a feature, not a bug! And "red flag laws" are designed to penalize law-abiding gun owners with extra-judicial confiscation. They have nothing to do with decreasing crime. The end game is the destruction of the 2nd Amendment and our God-given right to self defense against encroaching authoritarianism.

A disarmed people is a compliant people. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 07, 2022 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

2 Howdy!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 07, 2022 11:00 AM (EcT7r)

3 Sponge with the first!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 07, 2022 11:00 AM (RkC6l)

4 Yo y'all.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 07, 2022 11:00 AM (anj39)

5 Does Ill. have death penalty?

Posted by: BignJames at July 07, 2022 11:01 AM (AwYPR)

6 The death penalty isn't a deterrent because it isn't used. Fucking John Wayne Gacy sat on death row for what, 30 years before he was executed?

It deters no one.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 07, 2022 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

7 Does Ill. have death penalty?

Posted by: BignJames

Ditched it in '11. Surprise, Surprise.

Posted by: Brother Tim, actually a random opossum with a VPN at July 07, 2022 11:02 AM (OUMaO)

8 Do we still execute monsters? I didn't realize...

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at July 07, 2022 11:02 AM (cbYYM)

9 top 10 yo.

morning horde.

Posted by: SturmToddler (po3vF) at July 07, 2022 11:02 AM (p03vF)

10 5 Does Ill. have death penalty?
Posted by: BignJames at July 07, 2022 11:01 AM (AwYPR)

No. Eliminated by George Ryan, Republican governor, I think.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:02 AM (Vr12I)

11 Have said for years that capital punishment only works as a deterrent if done swiftly.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 07, 2022 11:03 AM (anj39)

12 I Noodlum'd....blowing my one opportunity to pull a TJM and 404 Comment not found......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 07, 2022 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)

13 All it takes is a .22 shell and the will to use it.

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:03 AM (uj06W)

14 Why is nidal Hasan still breathing?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at July 07, 2022 11:03 AM (jRQbu)

15 Make Dredd Great Again!

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 07, 2022 11:03 AM (PiwSw)

16 Sponge with the first!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 07, 2022 11:00 AM (RkC6l)

My occasional "sun shines on a dog's ass" moment.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 07, 2022 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)

17 You Know What Would Deter More Shootings Than Red Flag Laws? Executing Mass Killers Quickly

Don't take them alive. "Oops. He made a furtive gesture!"

It's not like there's a question to his guilt. You caught him in the act.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:03 AM (ZaOYB)

18 Does Ill. have death penalty?
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No.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at July 07, 2022 11:04 AM (EuFDw)

19
No. Eliminated by George Ryan, Republican governor, I think.
Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:02 AM (Vr12I)

There's no such thing as a Republican in Illinois. It's illegal.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 07, 2022 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

20 Death penaly is not a part of the plan, suicide, now, most like is.

Posted by: Eromero at July 07, 2022 11:04 AM (gktX6)

21 Honestly as true as the premise is, I simply do not currently trust TPTB with capital punishment. They abuse every other power they have, after all.

Posted by: Brother Tim, actually a random opossum with a VPN at July 07, 2022 11:04 AM (OUMaO)

22 Agreed on the expense of executions. While I'm all for the death penalty, it costs more to execute someone than to keep them alive forever in a jail cell. For that reason alone I would support doing away with the death penalty.

If, however, we could speed things up and not allow so many expensive appeals well... I'm on board for that too.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:04 AM (VJsqe)

23 This is exactly correct. We had a much lower violent crime rate when the wording was - 'You will be taken from this court to the place of your execution'.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 07, 2022 11:04 AM (lTGtQ)

24 Why is Nidal Hassan still breathing?
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Good question.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at July 07, 2022 11:05 AM (EuFDw)

25 Make 'it' a federal crime and then execute them

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 07, 2022 11:05 AM (qPabf)

26 >>Does Ill. have death penalty?

Only for businesses.

Posted by: Roy at July 07, 2022 11:05 AM (eTZII)

27 blowing my one opportunity to pull a TJM and 404 Comment not found......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 07, 2022 11:03 AM (Zz0t1)

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Not all heroes wear capes.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:05 AM (VJsqe)

28 hiya

Posted by: JT at July 07, 2022 11:05 AM (T4tVD)

29 Redefine the criminal as an "unwanted fetus." Easy peasy.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 07, 2022 11:05 AM (PiwSw)

30 Well, we used to could try and execute murderers in a timely manner. Wasn't it something like 42 days from crime, trial, execution for the Mckinley shooter? Or, is my elderly brain confuzzled?

Posted by: Blondie at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (PIlQh)

31 What police chief advocated hanging hijackers right at the airport?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (jRQbu)

32 @Pixy
Page still isn't loading with Javascript enabled. Safari on Mac

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (XvPQV)

33 Bring back hanging in the town square...bet you could sell tickets to a Crimo hanging. They want fame?...give 'em some.

Posted by: BignJames at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (AwYPR)

34 >>>Does Ill. have death penalty?

For unborn Babies, yes.

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (uj06W)

35 JT Hiya!

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (Vr12I)

36 Does Ill. have death penalty?

Posted by: BignJames

Not officially but reside in a bad neighborhood full of Dindunuffings and that should do it.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (Msys3)

37 Have said for years that capital punishment only works as a deterrent if done swiftly.
Posted by: Diogenes

Also ends "no chance for parole" parole and recidivism. Hinkley would have never walked out of jail.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (ZaOYB)

38 >23 This is exactly correct. We had a much lower violent crime rate when the wording was - 'You will be taken from this court to the place of your execution'.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 07, 2022 11:04 AM (lTGtQ)

...and hanged by the neck until dead.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (NgqoH)

39 And, more importantly, congrats to Sponge

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (XvPQV)

40 Agreed on the expense of executions. While I'm all for the death penalty, it costs more to execute someone than to keep them alive forever in a jail cell.

Posted by: 496

There is no reason for that. A gallows can be constructed for less than $10K, and it and the accompanying rope can be used indefinitely.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (lTGtQ)

41 is my elderly brain confuzzled?
Posted by: Blondie at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (PIlQh)

***

There are no elderly people on this blog...

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (flINI)

42 You Know What Would Deter More Shootings Than Red Flag Laws? Executing Mass Killers Quickly

A lot of these people are basically suicide bombers, though. Many don't expect to survive their rampage and are good with that.

A humble, Christian upbringing will be the true cure, but it won't happen. Scripture tells us it won't.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (LVPjk)

43 Hiya kraken !

Posted by: JT at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (T4tVD)

44
There's no such thing as a Republican in Illinois. It's illegal.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

There's always Adam Kinzinger.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (63Dwl)

45 Safari on Mac
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (XvPQV)

Narrator's voice: We think we see the problem.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

46 Bread puns.

Do we really knead them?
Posted by: Diogenes at July 07, 2022 10:58 AM (anj39)
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Rye not?

Posted by: Darth Randall at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (zL564)

47 Major Hasan of the Fort Hood shooting was 39 when he did it. He is now 51.

Fuck.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (44ww/)

48 I prefer the model where the killer is killed on the scene.

However, if we are going to go for deterrence, then the "cruel and unusual punishment" standards need to go, and we need to revert to outright torture.

An execution that includes 60 days of horrific torture would fit the bill, IMO.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (5p7BC)

49 39 >23 This is exactly correct. We had a much lower violent crime rate when the wording was - 'You will be taken from this court to the place of your execution'.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 07, 2022 11:04 AM (lTGtQ)

...and hanged by the neck until dead.
Posted by: Heavy Meta at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (NgqoH)

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Defund more cops and you'll end up with vigilantes. They'll skip the courthouse and go right to the hanging tree.

So... a silver lining...

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (VJsqe)

50 Does Ill. have death penalty?

Only for businesses.
Posted by: Roy

Businesses and babies.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (ZaOYB)

51 and while the "1/6 Insurrection" is a DOJ/FBI concocted fabrication, they do indeed want to squash in the womb (so to speak) ... any ideas of the people rising up against a tyrannical criminal government.

This is their pre-crime war, dawn raids for those that exhibit wrong-think. The junta and its oligarch backers are at full scale war right now (and for many years) against American sovereignty, state sovereignty, and especially individual sovereignty.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (Cus5s)

52 And, more importantly, congrats to Sponge
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:06 AM (XvPQV)

*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

53 >>A gallows can be constructed for less than $10K, and it and the accompanying rope can be used indefinitely.

Or, you know...a tree.

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (uj06W)

54 Be careful what you wish for. The days when common criminals are punished harshly in any way are drawing to a close.

And fast track laws for judicial execution will be for political criminals... namely, you. Of course, most of that will be extrajudicial anyway, but the point stands.

Pass such a law today, and you *will* live to see the irony in it. It's not a question of if it will happen, but how soon, and - spoiler alert - it's soon.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (IXpV7)

55 We're asking people incapable of thinking 15 minutes ahead to be deterred by what may happen in 30 years.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now the Summer of Our Discontent at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (FVME7)

56 Bread puns.

Do we really knead them?
Posted by: Diogenes
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Rye not?
Posted by: Darth Randall

We'll try to rise to the occasion but they won't pan out.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (Msys3)

57 I imagine there's support for race based death sentences. For equality.

Or something.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (BFigT)

58 Not all heroes wear capes.
Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:05 AM (VJsqe)

No capes!

Posted by: Edna Mode at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (h5TKJ)

59 Major Hasan of the Fort Hood shooting was 39 when he did it. He is now 51.

Fuck.
Posted by: BourbonChicken

Again. Caught in the act? End him.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (ZaOYB)

60 My problem with the death penalty in America is that I no longer trust the "justice" system.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (zhLdt)

61 A humble, Christian upbringing will be the true cure, but it won't happen. Scripture tells us it won't.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
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Only Jesus is the cure.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (EuFDw)

62 There's no such thing as a Republican in Illinois. It's illegal.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

There's always Adam Kinzinger.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (63Dwl)

The prosecution rests, Your Honor.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (Zz0t1)

63 There is no reason for that. A gallows can be constructed for less than $10K, and it and the accompanying rope can be used indefinitely.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (lTGtQ)

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I think it's the (sometimes mandatory/required) legal appeals that drag on over years that cost so much. The jolt of electricity/bullet/injection/hanging rope ain't much.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (VJsqe)

64 Ashli Babbitt was tried, convicted of being inconvenient to our rulers, and executed all in a matter of seconds. Capital punishment actually works pretty efficiently when you are an enemy of the state.

Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (0fVbu)

65 Or, you know...a tree.
Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (uj06W)

Lampposts for the city folk.

Posted by: Edna Mode at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (h5TKJ)

66 A .223 round is about 4 bits.

Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at July 07, 2022 11:09 AM (5n7u6)

67 They should at least do away with the final meal bullshit.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 07, 2022 11:09 AM (rr41A)

68 Agreed on the expense of executions. While I'm all for the death penalty, it costs more to execute someone than to keep them alive forever in a jail cell.
Posted by: 496

There is no reason for that. A gallows can be constructed for less than $10K, and it and the accompanying rope can be used indefinitely.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

Bull. Shit. I can push them off a 30 story fucking roof for free.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:09 AM (ZaOYB)

69
There is no reason for that. A gallows can be constructed for less than $10K, and it and the accompanying rope can be used indefinitely.
Posted by: Thomas Pain

A backhoe and a chair would cost a lot less and the hole could be dug early...

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 07, 2022 11:09 AM (qPabf)

70 A .38 Colt Cobra works, too.

Posted by: Zombie Jack Ruby at July 07, 2022 11:10 AM (4I/2K)

71 hiya

Posted by: JT at July 07, 2022 11:05 AM (T4tVD)

Not until you read the content!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 11:10 AM (XIJ/X)

72 Doubt that quick executions would be much of deterrent to mass shooters since it's not like most aren't specifically engaging in a version of suicide by cop. It would have to be some type of public humiliation to deter ... and even that would eventually draw in fetishists eager for the humiliation.

Posted by: Match Checksout at July 07, 2022 11:10 AM (IK4m/)

73 Prager points out many Jews and Christians misunderstanding the Do not Kill rule from the 10 Commandments. Killing a human is a sin to God destroying a life

Posted by: Skip's phone at July 07, 2022 11:11 AM (0l9eG)

74 72 Doubt that quick executions would be much of deterrent to mass shooters since it's not like most aren't specifically engaging in a version of suicide by cop. It would have to be some type of public humiliation to deter ... and even that would eventually draw in fetishists eager for the humiliation.
Posted by: Match Checksout at July 07, 2022 11:10 AM (IK4m/)

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Hard targets instead of soft targets could help.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 11:11 AM (IWtW+)

75 Only Jesus is the cure.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (EuFDw)

How very inclusive of you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 11:11 AM (XIJ/X)

76 I've modified my stance on Capital punishment, if only because of the tacit understanding that it would be used by leftists at some point in the future to eliminate Republicans or peaceable, decent people. This would be consistent with what we have been witnessing so far.

Keep a weather eye out especially for any shift in the rhetoric by our friends on the left with regard to this. After all, they've "changed their minds" on the 1st Amendment completely now that they have taken over. (And they don't really hate guns per se, they just hate you):

Posted by: Common Tater at July 07, 2022 11:11 AM (Sq4+7)

77 Generally speaking, i am all in on capital punishment. What i no longer trust is the law enforcement, investigatory, judicial, and trial process to enable it.

Catch a bad guy in the act. Capital punishnent, dead right the eff there.

Catch any of the DOJ, or legal, lab, trial judicial element in crooked dealings. Public and painful capital punishment. Simify the BS laws so that judicial duties can be done by the common public and make that a 12 month appointed job.

Posted by: BifBewalski's Phone at July 07, 2022 11:11 AM (y3yLm)

78 ...it costs more to execute someone than to keep them alive forever in a jail cell.

I'd like to see the math on that. I suspect that it includes the cost of all those appeals and the cost of incarceration in the meantime. Which are precisely the costs that would go away if the sentence was carried out expeditiously.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 07, 2022 11:11 AM (nfrXX)

79 The arguments against a quick execution are:
Prosecutors lie
Witnesses make mistakes
The ooze that is emitted by 99% of all lawyers

Personally, I think a long incarceration is a drain on public money and human spirit and I'm ok with swift execution.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:11 AM (XvPQV)

80 This may be an unpopular opinion,
I don't think the government should be in the business of deciding who lives and who dies or aiding and abetting the process.

Life means life. Whether it be a baby, an old person or a criminal.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 07, 2022 11:11 AM (W2Pud)

81 They should at least do away with the final meal bullshit.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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All condemned douchenozzles should have a final meal of brussel sprouts with a cockroach gravy, washing it down with Hillary Clinton's vomitus.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at July 07, 2022 11:12 AM (EuFDw)

82 Natural Life at hard labor would be a deterrant o the Soi Bois. Georgia Chain Gang stuff.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:12 AM (Vr12I)

83 >>Only Jesus is the cure.

That creep can roll.

Posted by: Walter Sobchek at July 07, 2022 11:12 AM (uj06W)

84 Posted by: Match Checksout at July 07, 2022 11:10 AM (IK4m/)

I think the first step should be that the name of the murderer should always be: "Small Penis Coward," no matter what.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 11:12 AM (XIJ/X)

85 I don't know about using the death penalty as a deterrent, especially for mass shooters. A lot of them go on their rampage fully expecting to go out in a blaze of glory on their terms.

The death penalty, in its ideal form (if there is one) is it removes troublesome elements from society permanently. A murderer/rapist is no longer able to engage in that activity if they are no longer breathing. If there is a possibility of parole/release, they may eventually do it again. Nip that in the bud with a long walk off a short pier.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 07, 2022 11:12 AM (YIVH2)

86 I'd like to see the math on that. I suspect that it includes the cost of all those appeals and the cost of incarceration in the meantime. Which are precisely the costs that would go away if the sentence was carried out expeditiously.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 07, 2022 11:11 AM (nfrXX)

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What you wrote is exactly my understanding.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:12 AM (VJsqe)

87 That creep can roll.
Posted by: Walter Sobchek at July 07, 2022 11:12 AM (uj06W)

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Another bread pun?

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:13 AM (VJsqe)

88 >>I don't think the government should be in the business of deciding who lives and who dies or aiding and abetting the process.

They don't.
The perpetrator makes that decision through his/her actions.
The People confirm it.

The Government is only a tool in this scenario.

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:13 AM (uj06W)

89 The whole idea about having to bury someone.... nah.

Cremation is your friend. Might take a bit longer than digging a hole but you get a lot more bang for your buck in terms of real-estate needed.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 07, 2022 11:13 AM (BFigT)

90 Next you'll be telling me that Clinton & Obama pardoned terrorists on their way out the semen-stained Oval Office ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at July 07, 2022 11:14 AM (QbCrG)

91 But if we curbed shootings, what crises would democranazis use to take away our freedom and liberty?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at July 07, 2022 11:14 AM (WKPeU)

92 "Sure, there are a few examples of swift justice; Timothy McVeigh comes to mind."

True, but didn't TM give up on appeals and accept his fate? Plus, I would add as a white man he doesn't get nearly the same sympathy and benefit of the doubt as minorities do.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2022 11:14 AM (iFTx/)

93 Any power you give the state will be used to secure the power of the state and eliminate its opposition.

Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 11:14 AM (0fVbu)

94 88 The Government is only a tool in this scenario.
Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:13 AM (uj06W)

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Killing is one of a handful of things the government is actually pretty good at.

Might as well use that power appropriately.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 11:14 AM (IWtW+)

95 >>But if we curbed shootings, what crises would democranazis use to take away our freedom and liberty?

Un-Guided Tours of Federal Buildings?

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:14 AM (uj06W)

96 hiya

Posted by: JT at July 07, 2022 11:05 AM (T4tVD)

Not until you read the content!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

A STALKER !

Posted by: JT at July 07, 2022 11:15 AM (T4tVD)

97 >A lot of these people are basically suicide bombers, though. Many don't expect to survive their rampage and are good with that.

They are after something glorious, or at least kind-of sort-of close to glory. If you put them through something ignoble and contemptuous, you remove the illusion.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 07, 2022 11:15 AM (44ww/)

98 Quality Big Lebowski ref

Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at July 07, 2022 11:15 AM (5n7u6)

99 The one time I have ever written to a politician: it was President Trump and I asked the he expedite Nidal Hassan's execution. Alas.

Posted by: Darth Randall at July 07, 2022 11:15 AM (zL564)

100
I've modified my stance on Capital punishment, if only because of the tacit understanding that it would be used by leftists at some point in the future to eliminate Republicans or peaceable, decent people.
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Absolutely. Not if. When.

It helps in most things to think about the society you live in, rather than the one that existed before, or the one you'd like to see in the future.

It's for basically the same reason, that I've always been skeptical of "The Wall." That thing could be just as well used to keep people in... and Trump or no Trump, this society is headed for just that type of government, and nothing will stop it. Too much momentum, now.

May as well not lend them the rope to hang you.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:16 AM (IXpV7)

101 In 1932 a maniac tried to shoot FDR in Miami, Florida. He missed, but wounded Mayor Tony Cermak.

2 weeks later, Cermak died. They switched midstream to a murder trial. The perp was tried, convicted and executed in 34 days.

Yeah - days not years. In modern times they wouldn't be done with the press conferences.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 07, 2022 11:16 AM (Sq4+7)

102 ...the reality is that America is incapable of conducting its legal affairs in any way remotely connected to the Constitution and its guarantees of speedy trials, so why bother?

I figure with the current structure of US gubmint in place, it would take 200 years to build the Hoover dam. That's assuming that some desert rat or plant or something doesn't shitcan the whole idea. The rot is everywhere, but especially in DC.

PS The Highland Park shooter doesn't even face the death penalty in state court, as IL doesn't have that sentence available.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 07, 2022 11:16 AM (X0388)

103 >>>I think the first step should be that the name of the murderer should always be: "Small Penis Coward," no matter what.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Yep. Some sort of ego destroying humiliation is the right path for deterring, but hard to figure what works a priori since so many are crazy.

Posted by: Match Checksout at July 07, 2022 11:16 AM (IK4m/)

104 87 That creep can roll.
Posted by: Walter Sobchek at July 07, 2022 11:12 AM (uj06W)

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Another bread pun?
Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:13 AM (VJsqe)

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"Shut the fuck up, Donny."

/Obligatory

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at July 07, 2022 11:16 AM (QbCrG)

105 Wait, I see a tv show in this. Big rating, huge. It's gold Jerry,Gold!!!

-Hollywood producer what chews a cigar

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 07, 2022 11:17 AM (Rcp6g)

106 So Boris Johnson is out? Maybe Brexit will complete now.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2022 11:17 AM (yQpMk)

107 Life means life. Whether it be a baby, an old person or a criminal.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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This junta should never decide who lives and who dies.
That said, we live in an imperfect world, filled with sinful people doing very sinful things.
Acts such as murder should be punished in the strongest way possible.
The fact that the innocent in this nation are punished, while the criminal is lionized as a hero has to stop.
If justice was swift, wouldn't be so much of an issue.
As it stands now...it's a huge joke.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at July 07, 2022 11:17 AM (EuFDw)

108 Personally, I think making a convicted killer wait more than 48 hours for their execution is BOTH Cruel and Unusual.

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:17 AM (uj06W)

109 Natural Life at hard labor would be a deterrant o the Soi Bois. Georgia Chain Gang stuff.
Posted by: kraken

Until some whiny asshoe soi boi commutes the sentence to life without parole and then another whiny assed soi boi grants parole and they are back on the streets.

Go ahead and grant Timothy McVeigh parole.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (ZaOYB)

110 They are after something glorious, or at least kind-of sort-of close to glory. If you put them through something ignoble and contemptuous, you remove the illusion.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 07, 2022 11:15 AM (44ww/)

I agree, to some extent.

The psychological question is why do they want glory/attention?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (LVPjk)

111 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-05/
us-factory-boom-heats-up-as-ceos
-yank-production-out-of-china

Some actual good news for a change. Let's hope the regime can't fuck it up. (Sad to think of the opportunity costs of not having Trump in office now) Hopefully, it all end up making his next term even more impactful G-d willing.

Posted by: havel at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (PRDNR)

112 They are after something glorious, or at least kind-of sort-of close to glory. If you put them through something ignoble and contemptuous, you remove the illusion.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 07, 2022 11:15 AM (44ww/)
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If they are captured alive, put them in public stocks for a year so they can be mocked mercilessly by the public, with the usual pelting of rotten fruit, vegetables, whatever.

Then death by hanging (the traditional shameful death).

They only get ONE year for their legal team to try to sway a jury to go with life imprisonment. If it doesn't happen during that time, then death is inevitable.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (YIVH2)

113 I have no moral objections, the cost and lengthy appeals piss me off but I'm more concerned about how corrupt our justice system is. Doesn't take much to railroad your enemies right now.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (qH6FZ)

114 Sirhan Sirhan has been locked up for 50+ years. Was resentenced to Life With Parole after CA did away with the death penalty. At his most recent parole hearing, the state did not put in an appearance, signaling a shift in attitude towards favoring his release on parole.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (4I/2K)

115 103 >>>I think the first step should be that the name of the murderer should always be: "Small Penis Coward," no matter what.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Yep. Some sort of ego destroying humiliation is the right path for deterring, but hard to figure what works a priori since so many are crazy.
Posted by: Match Checksout at July 07, 2022 11:16 AM (IK4m/)

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Old & Busted: "God is dead."
New Hotness: "Shame is dead."

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (QbCrG)

116 106 So Boris Johnson is out? Maybe Brexit will complete now.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at July 07, 2022 11:17 AM (yQpMk)

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"My first action as PM is to undo Brexit completely. I'm going to conserve the way things were in Britain before the evil BoJo lied his way to power."
-Next Conservative Party PM

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (IWtW+)

117 The bread puns are gonna be corny.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (rr41A)

118 I'd be all in for the capital punishment, but for the consideration I have for the judiciary.
One mistake is one too many, and frankly there have been more than one. And imagine if they succeed in convicting Trump for "high treason". In DC it is a possibility.

Posted by: Anacleto Mitraglia at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (VsUQa)

119 well, the Founders mentioned capital punishment in the Bill Of Rights (no one can be deprived of life or limb without due process of law.) Meaning, one CAN be deprived of life or limb following due process of law.

That said, the bar to a sentence of death should be set very high. Slam dunk physical evidence or eyewitness testimony. Short of that, prison.

imo ymmv Unless I'm Wrong.™

Posted by: DB at July 07, 2022 11:19 AM (geLO8)

120 I firmly believe that some people need killing.

I don't, for one hot second, trust this government to do that killing.

Posted by: ballistic at July 07, 2022 11:19 AM (oXNqT)

121 114 Sirhan Sirhan has been locked up for 50+ years. Was resentenced to Life With Parole after CA did away with the death penalty. At his most recent parole hearing, the state did not put in an appearance, signaling a shift in attitude towards favoring his release on parole.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (4I/2K)

I wrote a letter to the parole board.

Posted by: Mary Hartmann, Mary Hartmann at July 07, 2022 11:19 AM (eTZII)

122 Just as long as the bread puns are gluten-free....

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 07, 2022 11:19 AM (PiwSw)

123 120 I firmly believe that some people need killing.

I don't, for one hot second, trust this government to do that killing.
Posted by: ballistic at July 07, 2022 11:19 AM (oXNqT)

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Assemble the mob! I'll bring torches!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 11:19 AM (IWtW+)

124 114 Sirhan Sirhan has been locked up for 50+ years. Was resentenced to Life With Parole after CA did away with the death penalty. At his most recent parole hearing, the state did not put in an appearance, signaling a shift in attitude towards favoring his release on parole.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (4I/2K)

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IIRC, John Hinkley was recently released from prison.

As Ace is wont to say: Must. Be. Nice.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at July 07, 2022 11:20 AM (QbCrG)

125 I don't think the government should be in the business of deciding who lives and who dies or aiding and abetting the process.

Life means life. Whether it be a baby, an old person or a criminal.

Posted by: nurse ratched

I understand the sentiment, but look at it this way. We give over some of our God given rights to the government in order to have a functioning society. We gave the right to retributive justice to the government in order to avoid vigilantism. They are simply an agent carrying out the justice that we wish, using the laws that we approved.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 07, 2022 11:20 AM (lTGtQ)

126 >>I firmly believe that some people need killing.

>I don't, for one hot second, trust this government to do that killing.

Why does everyone completely ignore the role of the Jury in this?

The People make the decision.
The Government just does the messy part, because they take everything good away from the people.

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:20 AM (uj06W)

127 I'm a firm believer in capital punishment if for no other reason than retribution. Some people deserve to die. If it were up to me, the defendant in a capital crime would be sitting in the electric chair in the courtroom as the verdict is read. Guilty? Flip the switch. End of story.

But . . . after living through the last few years, with the government at all levels engaging in blatant fraud and falsifying "evidence" to railroad their political enemies, has my faith in capital punishment been shaken? Yes. A little. I don't trust these fucking cocksuckers as far as I could throw them.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2022 11:20 AM (iFTx/)

128 The new DHS policy states “noncitizen’s location during the statutory 3-year or 10-year period and the noncitizen’s manner of return to the United States during the statutory 3-year or 10-year period are irrelevant for purposes of determining inadmissibility.”

Enter illegally, wait 10 years, apply for citizenship.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 07, 2022 11:20 AM (9h1S7)

129 Assemble the mob! I'll bring torches!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 11:19 AM (IWtW+)
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Meh, not that either, for most iterations of mob justice.

Posted by: ballistic at July 07, 2022 11:20 AM (oXNqT)

130 I firmly believe that some people need killing.

I don't, for one hot second, trust this government to do that killing.
Posted by: ballistic
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This^

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (EuFDw)

131 129 Assemble the mob! I'll bring torches!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 11:19 AM (IWtW+)
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Meh, not that either, for most iterations of mob justice.

Posted by: ballistic at July 07, 2022 11:20 AM (oXNqT)

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So...I should be pitchforks instead?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (IWtW+)

132 Doesn't take much to railroad your enemies right now.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 07, 2022 11:18 AM (qH6FZ)

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Hoo boy do I have stories I could tell

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (VJsqe)

133 So Boris Johnson is out? Maybe Brexit will complete now.

What remains to be done for that? Last I heard (i.e. paid any attention) there was some squabbling about border crossings and maybe market access where basically the EU was trying to extort the UK. Anything else?

Posted by: Oddbob at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (nfrXX)

134 Sirhan Sirhan has been locked up for 50+ years. Was resentenced to Life With Parole after CA did away with the death penalty. At his most recent parole hearing, the state did not put in an appearance, signaling a shift in attitude towards favoring his release on parole.
Posted by: Count de Monet

Exactly. See #109.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (ZaOYB)

135 Basketball chick pleads guilty and used the "I didn't know" plea. Putin can be benevolent now, too bad he probably will.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (yKaEq)

136 It looks like candidates have to be a sitting MP to be nominated [with at least eight MPs backing the nomination]:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-62068930

And from a betting site, also saying it has to be a sitting MP:
https://tinyurl.com/2mm6dwc3

Also includes a good description of how it happened -- better than MSM sources!

Daily Mail oddsmakers' article linked in my sock.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 07, 2022 11:22 AM (yikp0)

137 "IIRC, John Hinkley was recently released from prison."

Did you see one of the networks used him for commentary on the Highland Park thing, pushing "gun control". Good grief.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 07, 2022 11:22 AM (qH6FZ)

138 Funny how Leftists protect murders but would kill a baby weeks before berth

Posted by: Skip's phone at July 07, 2022 11:22 AM (0l9eG)

139 Why does everyone completely ignore the role of the Jury in this?

The People make the decision.
The Government just does the messy part, because they take everything good away from the people.
Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:20 AM

Because I don't trust juries of my "peers", either.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 07, 2022 11:22 AM (RkC6l)

140 135 Basketball chick pleads guilty and used the "I didn't know" plea. Putin can be benevolent now, too bad he probably will.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (yKaEq)

Putin is gonna trade in a prison swap for a big chip. Joe doesn't know it yet.

Posted by: Roy at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (eTZII)

141 Bring back hanging or firing squad. As for Crimo, make him walk to the gallows.

Posted by: sidney at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (Uy/WF)

142 The death penalty is the only proven cure for recidivism that exists.

That's also it's only advantage.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (KATBx)

143 Why does everyone completely ignore the role of the Jury in this?

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:20 AM (uj06W)

I'm not ignoring it. The jury is part and parcel of the government's process for administering justice.

If you're a conservative living in, say, Washington DC, you shouldn't trust a jury either, even if the evidence of your innocence is as clear as the blue sky.

Posted by: ballistic at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (oXNqT)

144 But . . . after living through the last few years, with the government at all levels engaging in blatant fraud and falsifying "evidence" to railroad their political enemies, has my faith in capital punishment been shaken? Yes. A little. I don't trust these fucking cocksuckers as far as I could throw them.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2022 11:20 AM (iFTx/)
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Yeah, I know the feeling.

One thing that *might* start restoring faith in government is if the government started prosecuting malefactors under Title 18 Section 242, depriving civil rights under color of law. It's a capital crime.

Maybe politicians would start to shape up after a few of their comrades are swinging in the breeze...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (YIVH2)

145 Just a little local flavor:

TRINIDAD, Colo. (KDVR) — Trinidad police responded to a call on July 4 detailing a woman spraying a crowd with bear deterrent spray.

Korie Howlett, 24, was reported by other attendees to have been shouting obscenities during the fireworks display. After several crowd members approached her and asked her to quiet down, Howlett began pepper-spraying. Police suspect alcohol to have been involved.

Posted by: DB at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (geLO8)

146 Because I don't trust juries of my "peers", either.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 07, 2022 11:22 AM (RkC6l)

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Damn right.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (VJsqe)

147 I'm a firm believer in capital punishment if for no other reason than retribution. Some people deserve to die. If it were up to me, the defendant in a capital crime would be sitting in the electric chair in the courtroom as the verdict is read. Guilty? Flip the switch. End of story.

But . . . after living through the last few years, with the government at all levels engaging in blatant fraud and falsifying "evidence" to railroad their political enemies, has my faith in capital punishment been shaken? Yes. A little. I don't trust these fucking cocksuckers as far as I could throw them.
Posted by: Elric Blade

Pretty fucking hard to plead innocent when caught in the act of shooting up a school.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (ZaOYB)

148 Bonk bonk on tha head

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (vuisn)

149 Many people think McVeigh was dispatched quickly to prevent him from talking too much. I dunno.

There were some strangeness about that operation. And leftists were quick to blame for that. As is their custom.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (Sq4+7)

150 Sure, there are a few examples of swift justice; Timothy McVeigh comes to mind. But even his sentence took six years! So while I appreciate the sentiment of this well-argued article, the reality is that America is incapable of conducting its legal affairs in any way remotely connected to the Constitution and its guarantees of speedy trials, so why bother?

But the real flaw here is the presumption of something else entirely; that our politicians have any interest in justice and decreasing crime.
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Beyond that, the reality of our judicial, legal, prosecution, etc. systems has firmly put in the "opposed to the death penalty" camp. I am not opposed to the death penalty for moral reasons in that I think it is wrong and bad - I do not, and I firmly believe that death is a reasonable punishment for some crimes. The rampant corruption and malfeasance in our systems of "justice," however, is a serious problem. It is a problem so serious that I think the state should not have death penalty power. There are far too many people who get railroaded by this system for me to be able to support giving that same system the right to kill people in my name.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 07, 2022 11:24 AM (WWh8n)

151 So...I should be pitchforks instead?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (IWtW+)
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If you have some tar and a rail, that might be nice.

Posted by: ballistic at July 07, 2022 11:24 AM (oXNqT)

152 >>The jury is part and parcel of the government's process for administering justice.

No. Otherwise Nullification wouldn't exist.

The Jury ARE the People in this scenario. Not the Government.

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:24 AM (uj06W)

153 Putin can be benevolent now, too bad he probably will.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (yKaEq)

Agreed. The "I didn't know" claim is transparent bullshit, and it should be irrelevant. When I go to foreign countries I make damned sure I am not bringing in anything that might get me in trouble. That's common sense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 11:25 AM (XIJ/X)

154 My views of capital punishment are always evolving, but here they are distilled:

1. Capital punishment is final, so we need to be sure we are executing guilty people.

2. I distrust the state - namely local prosecutors - so we really need to be sure we trust the system and are executing guilty people.

3. Nothing in our Constitution or history should reserve capital punishment for capital murder. There are other heinous crimes that we as a society should have the right to determine if they are worthy of execution. E.g., child rape.

4. Capital punishment should be "swift." I don't know what that is, but 20 years after conviction is too long.

5. Capital punishment should be public. If we as a society think people should be executed, it should not be done behind closed doors.

That's about it.

Posted by: SH (Roe Overturned) at July 07, 2022 11:25 AM (sX1BW)

155 How expensive would it be to keelhaul someone?

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:25 AM (VJsqe)

156 Funny how Leftists protect murders but would kill a baby weeks before berth
Posted by: Skip's phone at July 07, 2022 11:22 AM (0l9eG)
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Their ideology really hasn't changed.

They protect murderers, which applies to gang-bangers as much as it does to abortionists.

They glory in death and killing and hate for the architects of such be deprived of their "right" to murder...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 07, 2022 11:25 AM (YIVH2)

157 They should at least do away with the final meal bullshit.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 07, 2022 11:09 AM (rr41A)

In Texas your final meal is whatever they're serving that day.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at July 07, 2022 11:26 AM (zhLdt)

158 My lack of trust in the State deeply influences my view of capital punishment. Sad but true. If we had a moral government, my view would be different.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:26 AM (Vr12I)

159 In Texas your final meal is whatever they're serving that day.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at July 07, 2022 11:26 AM (zhLdt)

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That's so medieval.

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 11:27 AM (VJsqe)

160 IL has always had problems with DP. On again, off again, spin the lottery wheel. Every time I really think the DP is wrong, a Gacey or similar comes along.

Richard Speck, mass murderer, is still alive in an IL prison last I heard and he was sentenced during one of the off times for DP.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 07, 2022 11:27 AM (MIKMs)

161 >>> Putin is gonna trade in a prison swap for a big chip. Joe doesn't know it yet.
Posted by: Roy at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (eTZII)

There is nothing that uncle diddle fingers has that Putin wants. This country's gov is an international joke with a dead empty husk presiding over it.

Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 11:27 AM (0fVbu)

162 Basketball chick pleads guilty and used the "I didn't know" plea. Putin can be benevolent now, too bad he probably will.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (yKaEq)

Putin is gonna trade in a prison swap for a big chip. Joe doesn't know it yet.
Posted by: Roy at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (eTZII)

Bball player for part of Ukraine?

Posted by: LASue at July 07, 2022 11:27 AM (Ed8Zd)

163 Hinkley didn't go to prison, he was in a mental hospital. Doubt he suffered enough. Better not happen with the parade shooter.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 07, 2022 11:27 AM (Rcp6g)

164 I'm seriously more in favor of vigilantism.

An individual can be just, I am convinced no group of people can be.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:28 AM (XvPQV)

165 Exactly. See #109.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:21 AM (ZaOYB)

I'm skeptical that Sirhan shot RFK. Other people, yes, but the forensics and ballistics on RFK are very odd at best. Another deep state Oswalding, perhaps.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 07, 2022 11:28 AM (4I/2K)

166 If we had a moral government, my view would be different.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:26 AM (Vr12I)

They got morals...they're just fluid.

Posted by: BignJames at July 07, 2022 11:28 AM (AwYPR)

167 “Jose Manuel Miguel Xavier Gonzales, in a few short weeks it will be spring. The snows of winter will flee away, the ice will vanish, and the air will become soft and balmy. In short, Jose Manuel Miguel Xavier Gonzales, the annual miracle of the years will awaken and come to pass, but you won’t be there.

“The rivulet will run its soaring course to the sea, the timid desert flowers will put forth their tender shoots, the glorious valleys of this imperial domain will blossom as the rose. Still, you won’t be here to see.

“From every treetop some wild woods songster will carol his mating song; butterflies will sport in the sunshine, the busy bee will hum happy as it pursues its accustomed vacation; the gentle breeze will tease the tassels of the wild grasses, and all nature will be glad, but you. You won’t be here to enjoy it because I command the sheriff or some other officers of the country to lead you out to some remote spot, swing you by the neck from a knotting bough of some sturdy oak, and let you hang until you are dead.
continued:

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 11:28 AM (QSjkU)

168 There is nothing that uncle diddle fingers has that Putin wants. This country's gov is an international joke with a dead empty husk presiding over it.

There are some Russian prisoners held in the United States that Russia has requested in the past.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 11:29 AM (LVPjk)

169
And remember - the type of Republican leader who putatively represents those who desire stronger law & order is typified by Lindsey "We give you guns, now USE THEM!" Graham.

IOW, people who enjoy (probably sexually) seeing unarmed citizens gunned down in cold blood for the simple crime of being just like you.

That should give you pause.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:29 AM (IXpV7)

170 100
The democrats will create the ability to kill their opponents when they think they can away with it, not when we lend it to them.
I believe in the death penalty but used very specifically, i.e. when there is no question of the guilt.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 07, 2022 11:29 AM (vNbzm)

171 But . . . after living through the last few years, with the government at all levels engaging in blatant fraud and falsifying "evidence" to railroad their political enemies, has my faith in capital punishment been shaken? Yes. A little. I don't trust these fucking cocksuckers as far as I could throw them.
Posted by: Elric Blade

Pretty fucking hard to plead innocent when caught in the act of shooting up a school.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:23 AM (ZaOYB)
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True. But that's the easy case. It won't end there with corrupt leftists in charge (and they are). The left's bloodlust for violence against their political enemies is insatiable. What percentage of Dumocraps would cheer on a death sentence for Trump or Kavanaugh or a host of others?

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2022 11:29 AM (iFTx/)

172 The old argument against capital punishment was that "It teaches the criminal nothing." That's true. But -- we have no 100% guaranteed way to teach him not to do it again. If we remove him from society, permanently and six feet down, at least that *insures* he won't do it again.

It's vaguely possible that a convicted murderer might reform to the degree that he contributes something valuable to society during his life sentence in prison. But (again, a but) how many convicted murderers have done such a thing? The Birdman of Alcatraz guy was always held up as an example. I suspect that story was embroidered; yes?

There needs to be time for an appeal of a death sentence verdict. But it should not run into decades.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 07, 2022 11:29 AM (txdEq)

173 Oh and the parade shooter, the tiny penis coward, apparently used a Kel Tec Sub2000 9mm....not a rifle or 'AR 15 like weapon', lol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:30 AM (XvPQV)

174 The Highland Park Fageles pin head would probably slip through the noose

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at July 07, 2022 11:30 AM (flINI)

175 Watch out! If you quote @WSJ, @Twitter may censor you. That's why Dr. @EWoodhouse7 was suspended.

This is the Tweet that violated the Twitter Rules:
"The FDA conspicuously lowered its standards to approve COVID vaccines for toddlers. Why?" https://t.co/Jiix2B2kIv

https://bit.ly/3nHKOJg

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at July 07, 2022 11:30 AM (Do5/p)

176 Daily Mail oddsmakers' article linked in my sock.
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Wait, the favorite to be the next PM is a billionaire?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2022 11:30 AM (5p7BC)

177 I still think the death penalty is the only just punishment for certain crimes, but I no longer trust the state not to engage in judicial murder.

Posted by: The guy that moves pianos for a living at July 07, 2022 11:30 AM (7gEpo)

178 My problem with the death penalty in America is that I no longer trust the "justice" system.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at July 07, 2022 11:08 AM (zhLdt)

Yeah same here. No problem flaming somebody literally caught in the act, but other than that, no deal. the govt seems to be big on scapegoats.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 07, 2022 11:31 AM (VwHCD)

179 “And then, Jose Manuel Miguel Xavier Gonzales, I further command that such officer or officers retire quickly from your dangling corpse, so that vultures may descend from the heavens upon your filthy body until nothing shall remain but bare, bleached bones of a cold-blooded, bloodthirsty, throat-cutting, murdering son of a bitch.”

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 11:31 AM (QSjkU)

180 Richard Speck, mass murderer, is still alive in an IL prison last I heard and he was sentenced during one of the off times for DP.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 07, 2022 11:27 AM (MIKMs)

died in'91....truly a pos

Posted by: BignJames at July 07, 2022 11:31 AM (AwYPR)

181 I still think the death penalty is the only just punishment for certain crimes, but I no longer trust the state not to engage in judicial murder.

Posted by: The guy that moves pianos for a living at July 07, 2022 11:30 AM (7gEpo)

This.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 07, 2022 11:31 AM (VwHCD)

182 Viktor Bout could be Putin's asking price.

Serving 25 years for selling arms to Columbians.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 11:31 AM (LVPjk)

183 No problem flaming somebody literally caught in the act, but other than that, no deal. the govt seems to be big on scapegoats.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 07, 2022 11:31 AM (VwHCD)

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GTFOH with that.

Posted by: Richard Jewell at July 07, 2022 11:32 AM (VJsqe)

184 Watch out! If you quote @WSJ, @Twitter may censor you. That's why Dr. @EWoodhouse7 was suspended.

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The reports of the demise of the Ministry of Truth were premature.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at July 07, 2022 11:32 AM (QbCrG)

185 "Enter illegally, wait 10 years, apply for citizenship."

and receive all benefits for free the whole time, and special status in many places. (e.g. CA where illegals aren't "worth" arresting for no auto insurance of various other thangs the rest of us pay dearly for, and where shoplifting is a divine right of "POCs".)

Posted by: illiniwek at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (Cus5s)

186 The old argument against capital punishment was that "It teaches the criminal nothing." That's true. But -- we have no 100% guaranteed way to teach him not to do it again. If we remove him from society, permanently and six feet down, at least that *insures* he won't do it again.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 07, 2022 11:29 AM

(1) It 100% prevents him from doing it again.
(2) It serves as a warning to others that this is what will happen to you if you try this. So it works as a deterrent to hopefully prevent future crime.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (Do5/p)

187 I still cannot load Ace on either my Ipad or Iphone. The Ipad is my company when I sit at my kitchen table. This is important to me.
It is only this site. I have tried everything recommended so far and nothinig works including downloading Brave(I use Safari). No luck.
Please help.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (Y+l9t)

188 I see a very heavily armed, and very "compliant" society right now. So that may not really be an issue here.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (OTzUX)

189 Never watched "Dead Man Walking" but did work with the father of the girl raped and murdered. He said the man executed asked for forgiveness before his execution. He said he just shook his head "No".

Posted by: Javems at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (AmoqO)

190 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (Y+l9t)

Go to Settings >> Safari >> Advanced

Then toggle off JavaScript.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 11:34 AM (LVPjk)

191 187 I still cannot load Ace on either my Ipad or Iphone. The Ipad is my company when I sit at my kitchen table. This is important to me.
It is only this site. I have tried everything recommended so far and nothinig works including downloading Brave(I use Safari). No luck.
Please help.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (Y+l9t)

Hi Sharon. When on Brave, go to settings, select disable all Scripts. That should work. Regards.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:34 AM (Vr12I)

192 I went to an interview with Larry Schweikart yesterday. He talks a lot like a Moron, except that toward the end he ignores Winston Wolf’s advice RE polling.

hoboes.com/schweikart

It’s worth a watch, I think. He’s pushing a book about how presidents have dealt with the DC swamp in its various incarnations.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 07, 2022 11:34 AM (U+Oxn)

193 But . . . after living through the last few years, with the government at all levels engaging in blatant fraud and falsifying "evidence" to railroad their political enemies, has my faith in capital punishment been shaken? Yes. A little. I don't trust these fucking cocksuckers as far as I could throw them.
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See Nicarico murder.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (MIKMs)

194 190 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (Y+l9t)

Go to Settings >> Safari >> Advanced

Then toggle off JavaScript.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 11:34 AM (LVPjk)

You can also turn it off on the 'Develop' tab

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (XvPQV)

195 Because I don't trust juries of my "peers", either.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 07, 2022 11:22 AM (RkC6l)

I recently had the pleasure of going downtown for jury duty. Explicit, prominent, 4th grade level english instructions were on the notice about what to wear and what not to wear.

After observing the many 'peers' dressed in their finest shorts, ballcaps, clubwear, beachwear, gardening puttering wear and their inability to follow verbal instructions given by the clerks, I'll take my chances with a bench trial.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (4I/2K)

196 That cunt Brittney Griner pleaded GUILTY to drug charges in Russia. But . . . wait? I thought she was 100% totally innocent? The media assured me so. She now faces up to 10 years. I hope she gets the max. Fuck her. Bitch wanted to shit all over the USA while enjoying all its freedom and protections. Karma's a bitch, bitch!

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (iFTx/)

197 Spend two days making sure we have the right guy. Then give him a fair trial and a first class hangin'.

Posted by: Naked, sitting in a sensory deprivation room, smoking crack. at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (QY+6a)

198 No problem flaming somebody literally caught in the act, but other than that, no deal. the govt seems to be big on scapegoats.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 07, 2022 11:31 AM (VwHCD)

***

Bollocks

Posted by: Lt Gen (Ret) Michael Flynn at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (flINI)

199 Also I miss Willow...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (XvPQV)

200 "My first action as PM is to undo Brexit completely. I'm going to conserve the way things were in Britain before the evil BoJo lied his way to power."
-Next Conservative Party PM
_______________

We must comply with EU environmental targets in order to save the planet. Netherlands is showing true leadership in that area. By the way, our constituency is the planet, not our voters. Suckers.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (fs1hN)

201 199 Also I miss Willow...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (XvPQV)

Yeah. One of the many " missing".

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:36 AM (Vr12I)

202 173 Oh and the parade shooter, the tiny penis coward, apparently used a Kel Tec Sub2000 9mm....not a rifle or 'AR 15 like weapon', lol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:30 AM (XvPQV)

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"The 'Sub' stands for Suburban Assault Rifle! REEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at July 07, 2022 11:36 AM (QbCrG)

203 This busty brunette in white doesn't trust the system enough to support the death penalty:
https://is.gd/blmfm4

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 07, 2022 11:36 AM (WWh8n)

204 Another issue that criminals don't really fear prison anymore. Some commit crimes upon release just to get back into a comfortable routine they know and are familiar with. Obviously the PITA prisons are something of a different story for rank and file criminals, but even there most of the inmates are relatively safe unless they're pedos or wife beaters (mostly).

I grew up fearing the shit out of going to jail. No so anymore.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 07, 2022 11:36 AM (BFigT)

205 How long were the In Cold Blood killers in jail before being hanged?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at July 07, 2022 11:36 AM (eGTCV)

206
I have to say - smoking crack, drinking booze, and pounding on your rotten pecker in a sensory deprivation chamber is perhaps the greatest ever example of "missing the point."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:36 AM (IXpV7)

207 199 Also I miss Willow...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (XvPQV)

Me too.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 11:36 AM (QSjkU)

208 Please help.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (Y+l9t)
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Cycle the Airplane mode on your device On/Off.

Posted by: ballistic at July 07, 2022 11:37 AM (oXNqT)

209 Richard Speck, mass murderer, is still alive in an IL prison last I heard and he was sentenced during one of the off times for DP.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 07, 2022 11:27 AM (MIKMs)

Read where one of the victims parents said Speck, in prison, was turned into what he hated most, a woman.

Posted by: Javems at July 07, 2022 11:37 AM (AmoqO)

210 You know what stopped the Klan killing blacks in the deep south? Executing them for conspiring to oppress black people's Constitutional Rights. You know what would stop the DemonRats constantly banging the drum for gun control? Using the same law to execute a couple of them. Remember, DemonRats, state courts in rural TX and FL can enforce federal law, even if the DOJ won't.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at July 07, 2022 11:37 AM (ZEHVO)

211 "196 That cunt Brittney Griner pleaded GUILTY to drug charges in Russia. But . . . wait? I thought she was 100% totally innocent? The media assured me so. She now faces up to 10 years. I hope she gets the max. Fuck her. Bitch wanted to shit all over the USA while enjoying all its freedom and protections. Karma's a bitch, bitch!"

Posted by: Elric Blade

The irony here is that Trump would have gotten her out of this mess
Biden is gonna ignore it.

Posted by: Naked, sitting in a sensory deprivation room, smoking crack. at July 07, 2022 11:38 AM (QY+6a)

212 Joe Mannix's problem with giving such awesome final power to such a frail and flawed justice system has long been the hill I can't climb over here. Have always thought that in extreme/unlikely circumstances (war, widespread civil disorder), execution for the most consequential crimes was a justified measure. But in normal (most) times, the system does not merit this power, risks of mistakes or abuse too high.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2022 11:38 AM (OTzUX)

213 50 years in prison is a worse punishment than execution, IMO.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 07, 2022 11:38 AM (3vQN0)

214 AofS is locking up when partially open…

Posted by: Tom H at July 07, 2022 11:38 AM (57t1E)

215 192 I went to an interview with Larry Schweikart yesterday. He talks a lot like a Moron, except that toward the end he ignores Winston Wolf’s advice RE polling.

hoboes.com/schweikart

It’s worth a watch, I think. He’s pushing a book about how presidents have dealt with the DC swamp in its various incarnations.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 07, 2022 11:34 AM (U+Oxn)

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Thanks Stephen, will check it out.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at July 07, 2022 11:39 AM (QbCrG)

216 The government being wholly incapable and incompetent delivering death. What could go wrong? The death penalty needs to be reserved for when there is absolutely no doubt about guilt. Appeals come swiftly. The final punishment just as swift. Hanging works so does a bullet.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at July 07, 2022 11:39 AM (0OmEj)

217 >>50 years in prison is a worse punishment than execution, IMO.

Doubly so when you are paying the bills.

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:39 AM (uj06W)

218 Oh and the parade shooter, the tiny penis coward, apparently used a Kel Tec Sub2000 9mm....not a rifle or 'AR 15 like weapon', lol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

"The 'Sub' stands for Suburban Assault Rifle! REEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
Posted by: ShainS

The sub stands for substandard gun. It was a 9mm.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:39 AM (ZaOYB)

219 Dutch government planned to steal farms for asylum seekers. Asylum seekers belong in Richie Rich's hood.

Posted by: CN at July 07, 2022 11:39 AM (ONvIw)

220 213 50 years in prison is a worse punishment than execution, IMO.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 07, 2022 11:38 AM (3vQN0)

Quite expensive to keep a worthless piece of irredeemable trash alive and incarcerated for that long.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 11:40 AM (QSjkU)

221 Agree completely.

Posted by: Happy at July 07, 2022 11:40 AM (1sUyz)

222 208 Please help.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (Y+l9t)
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Cycle the Airplane mode on your device On/Off.
Posted by: ballistic at July 07, 2022 11:37 AM (oXNqT)

That worked for DDG! Thanks, ballistic!!

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:40 AM (Vr12I)

223 AofS is locking up when partially open…
Posted by: Tom H at July 07, 2022 11:38 AM (57t1E)

Go to Settings >> Safari >> Advanced

Then toggle off JavaScript.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 11:34 AM

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 11:40 AM (LVPjk)

224 The left wants more crime.

So they will do everything they can to avoid more effective punishments.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 07, 2022 11:40 AM (ESjRY)

225 Thank you for telling me exactly how to do it! it worked.
I love you people.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 11:41 AM (Y+l9t)

226 The issue with cap punishment is that it is redundant. It is not the case that anyone, criminal or innocent, will ever escape death and final judgment. We will all be tried and, spoiler alert, we will all, on our own merits be found wanting. It is coming for us all.

You are simply investing a lot of effort, thought, and your own moral responsibility into very slightly modifying when something that is going to happen anyway happens. Any social deterrent you think you will gain is now actively canceled by the decay of morality and active opposition to judeo-christian ideals.

Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 11:41 AM (0fVbu)

227 And so it begins...

Posted by: The Guy Who Says Turn Off JavaScript at July 07, 2022 11:41 AM (LVPjk)

228 We could take all those mass killers and put them in shiny onesies and stick 'em on a game show. Just thinking out loud here.

Posted by: The Unquiet Ghost of Richard Dawson at July 07, 2022 11:41 AM (EcQad)

229 196 That cunt Brittney Griner pleaded GUILTY to drug charges in Russia. But . . . wait? I thought she was 100% totally innocent? The media assured me so. She now faces up to 10 years. I hope she gets the max. Fuck her. Bitch wanted to shit all over the USA while enjoying all its freedom and protections. Karma's a bitch, bitch!
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (iFTx/)

I really don’t know much of this case. But just because someone pleads guilty doesn’t make them guilty. The choice was probably plead guilty and get 10 years or plead not guilty and our kangaroo court will find you guilty and give you 25 years.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 07, 2022 11:41 AM (3vQN0)

230 Wait, the favorite to be the next PM is a billionaire?
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What are the odds?!

Oh. 4:1

Never mind.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 07, 2022 11:41 AM (yikp0)

231 Dutch government planned to steal farms for asylum seekers. Asylum seekers belong in Richie Rich's hood.
Posted by: CN at July 07, 2022 11:39 AM (ONvIw)
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That sounds about right. Didn't Germany depopulate entire villages in favor of "migrants?" (None of whom are willing and able to grow food for Germany.)

Idiots.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 07, 2022 11:42 AM (YIVH2)

232
Quite expensive to keep a worthless piece of irredeemable trash alive and incarcerated for that long.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 11:40 AM (QSjkU)

Agreed.

I mean from the pov of deterrence . I don’t think death penalty scares a potential murderer more than life in prison.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 07, 2022 11:43 AM (3vQN0)

233 Posted by: The Guy Who Says Turn Off JavaScript at July 07, 2022 11:41 AM (LVPjk)

lol

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:44 AM (XvPQV)

234 226 The issue with cap punishment is that it is redundant. It is not the case that anyone, criminal or innocent, will ever escape death and final judgment. We will all be tried and, spoiler alert, we will all, on our own merits be found wanting. It is coming for us all.

You are simply investing a lot of effort, thought, and your own moral responsibility into very slightly modifying when something that is going to happen anyway happens. Any social deterrent you think you will gain is now actively canceled by the decay of morality and active opposition to judeo-christian ideals.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 11:41 AM (0fVbu)

Not redundant at all. This life matters too. Stopping and detering evil matters.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 11:44 AM (zXYId)

235 If there was a true deterence to murder there would be very little murder

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at July 07, 2022 11:44 AM (flINI)

236 I see a very heavily armed, and very "compliant" society right now. So that may not really be an issue here.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (OTzUX)

An excellent point, but have we reached the point at which taking up arms against the government is the only rational step?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 11:45 AM (XIJ/X)

237 Someone (apparently) supporting Red Flag laws acted concerned that actually picking up a reported person for a formal evaluation, for a 48 hour hold or whatever, was problematic.

Well...yes.

But it's far more logical than responding to a report that someone is likely a danger to themselves and others by NOT having them evaluated and just violating their rights (and affirming whatever paranoia or mental health issue they've got...hey, they ARE out to get you!) and leaving them free to act on what they now know is true.

Picking someone up is a very serious thing and has to involve all the necessary protections and due process and if they are not safe and a judge and psych doctor agrees it's not a *minor* thing. And it shouldn't be treated like a minor thing.

So this person was "concerned".

Half-assed oh-dark-thirty raids on unstable persons with arsenals is not the *de-escalated* option!

Posted by: Synova at July 07, 2022 11:45 AM (BD/yx)

238 229 196 That cunt Brittney Griner pleaded GUILTY to drug charges in Russia. But . . . wait? I thought she was 100% totally innocent? The media assured me so. She now faces up to 10 years. I hope she gets the max. Fuck her. Bitch wanted to shit all over the USA while enjoying all its freedom and protections. Karma's a bitch, bitch!
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2022 11:35 AM (iFTx/)

I really don’t know much of this case. But just because someone pleads guilty doesn’t make them guilty. The choice was probably plead guilty and get 10 years or plead not guilty and our kangaroo court will find you guilty and give you 25 years.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at July 07, 2022 11:41 AM (3vQN0)
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She is guilty as sin. She never denied trying to get illegal drugs into Russia. Nor did she deny (to my knowledge, at least) that she was carrying enough for a distribution charge. Is this high on my list of serious crimes? No. But she's a stupid entitled cunt who shit all over America when it was easy and convenient to do so. She can rot in a Russian prison. I'll bet she wishes she was back in America now.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2022 11:45 AM (iFTx/)

239 A bit off topic...
America has a Stonehenge and it isn't in Georgia. It is in Washington State at the Maryhill Museum overlooking the Columbia River. Its been there for almost a hundred years and was intended as a memorial to the dead of WW 1.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 07, 2022 11:45 AM (anj39)

240 Capital punishment has been a catastrophic failure

If applied everyone in the Capitol....

Posted by: Miklos, who so thinks at July 07, 2022 11:46 AM (thbCK)

241
It's Russian court. Griner is almost certainly guilty. But she could be as innocent as a newborn. If you're someone who's drawn the attention of Putin or his cronies, there is no point in pleading any other way. You're going to be found guilty regardless, and you'll likely only make it harder on yourself by fighting it.

We are barely any better, and won't stay that way long. Like I said, be careful what you're wishing for when empowering people like this to do anything, for any reason.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:46 AM (IXpV7)

242 Richard Speck, mass murderer, is still alive in an IL prison last I heard and he was sentenced during one of the off times for DP.

He died in 1991.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 07, 2022 11:46 AM (/NCI4)

243
Leon Czolgosz

Shot President William McKinley on September 6, 1901.

Executed October 29, 1901

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 07, 2022 11:46 AM (/U27+)

244 Death Penalty Gold Standard:
The Death Penalty was carried out on anarchist Leon Czolgosz, just six weeks after his assassination of President McKinley.

Posted by: TitanTom at July 07, 2022 11:47 AM (7JoB7)

245 I mean from the pov of deterrence . I don’t think death penalty scares a potential murderer more than life in prison.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

Honestly? I don't want my tax dollars supporting the Uvalde school shooter or the Wisconsin parade shooter for the next fifty fucking years.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 11:47 AM (RNuBu)

246 I have tried everything recommended so far ...

Including disabling javascript?

Posted by: Oddbob at July 07, 2022 11:47 AM (nfrXX)

247 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Hope babes and boobs gal doesn't make any sudden moves because that outfit doesn't look like it's going to stay in place.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 07, 2022 11:48 AM (FZ2cV)

248 I see a very heavily armed, and very "compliant" society right now. So that may not really be an issue here.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2022 11:33 AM (OTzUX)

An excellent point, but have we reached the point at which taking up arms against the government is the only rational step?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 11:45 AM (XIJ/X)

I go to sleep each night wondering exactly that question.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 11:48 AM (XvPQV)

249 We're broke. Hang the bastards. Or shoot.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 07, 2022 11:48 AM (89T5c)

250 Including disabling javascript?
Posted by: Oddbob at July 07, 2022 11:47 AM (nfrXX)

To really disable it, you gotta go full Irish. Kneecap to both knees and then a curb stomp.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 07, 2022 11:48 AM (anj39)

251 Liberal like to point to our capital punishment system and say "No one kills as many convicts as the United States."

They're right. Because in countries like Russia, China, Iran South Africa, Nigeria, etc. etc, they don't ever make it to trial. The police kill them during the arrest.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 07, 2022 11:49 AM (lf83v)

252 241
It's Russian court. Griner is almost certainly guilty. But she could be as innocent as a newborn. If you're someone who's drawn the attention of Putin or his cronies, there is no point in pleading any other way. You're going to be found guilty regardless, and you'll likely only make it harder on yourself by fighting it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:46 AM (IXpV7)
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She is 100% guilty. She never denied trying to get drugs into Russia. Nor did she deny (to my knowledge, at least) that she was carrying enough for a distribution charge. Her only "defense" was "hey, how was I supposed to know it was illegal to try to import a ton of illegal drugs?"

Is this high on my list of serious crimes? No. But she's a stupid entitled cunt who shit all over America when it was easy and convenient to do so. She can rot in a Russian prison. I'll bet she wishes she was back in America now. Meanwhile, in America, the J6 protestors are rotting in prison. So tit for tat.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2022 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

253 Have no idea, CBD. Though I continue to rate the chances of any such uprising as close to nil.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2022 11:50 AM (OTzUX)

254 I read somewhere that in medieval times, the executioner (simultaneous high-low status profession) would treat the prisoner kindly and gently for a day before the event. The purpose was to get a fallen attitude and tears out of the criminal once they were in front of a crowd.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 07, 2022 11:50 AM (44ww/)

255 In Japan, those on Death Row don't have an actual sentencing date. It could be anytime.

This is really great, because the victims never had advance notice per se either.

So every day, they hear the footsteps down the hall .. and wonder. Nice!

Posted by: Common Tater at July 07, 2022 11:50 AM (Sq4+7)

256 241
It's Russian court. Griner is almost certainly guilty. But she could be as innocent as a newborn. If you're someone who's drawn the attention of Putin or his cronies, there is no point in pleading any other way. You're going to be found guilty regardless, and you'll likely only make it harder on yourself by fighting it.

We are barely any better, and won't stay that way long. Like I said, be careful what you're wishing for when empowering people like this to do anything, for any reason.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:46 AM (IXpV7)

Her mistake was carrying drugs that she didn't realize were illegal in Russia, but not really illegal here...or she did realize it (or one of her people did) and she thought she was famous enough to be above their law or famous enough we wouldn't leave her under their law...

But a current war and a current president made that last part unlikely...

I figure she can also stay and serve her time. Technically, if you go overseas, you are supposed to follow their laws...

Posted by: Nova local at July 07, 2022 11:50 AM (exHjb)

257 The Bible instructs us to send murderers to God for His judgement.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at July 07, 2022 11:50 AM (ZEHVO)

258
It was extrajudicial, but they got Booth in 11 days.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:50 AM (IXpV7)

259 "The left wants more crime.

So they will do everything they can to avoid more effective punishments."

The Democrats -- government of the criminals, by the criminals, for the criminals

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 07, 2022 11:50 AM (lf83v)

260 And so it begins...
Posted by: The Guy Who Says Turn Off JavaScript
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Now that is funny.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2022 11:51 AM (5p7BC)

261 Meanwhile, in America, the J6 protestors are rotting in prison. So tit for tat.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 07, 2022 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

My dream scenario is Putin asking America to release J6 prisoners in exchange for Griner.

Posted by: The Guy Who Says Turn Off JavaScript at July 07, 2022 11:51 AM (LVPjk)

262 Capital punishment probably isn't a greater deterrent than life in prison. But is punishment to serve the criminal or is punishment to serve the victims? The people this guy killed will be dead forever. Just seems fair that they aren't alone in that.

Oh, civilized people are better than wanting retribution, right?

No. We're people, all of us, and the few who truly can forgive and love those who murder someone they love is inspiring but rare, for society the justice system is very much about giving people what they want and need so they agree not to seek those things themselves.

Posted by: Synova at July 07, 2022 11:51 AM (BD/yx)

263 >>> Not redundant at all. This life matters too. Stopping and detering evil matters.
Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 11:44 AM (zXYId)

No I've addressed that. Its not a deterrent to those out of prison because of the decay of society. Its doesn't prevent murders by those in prison because they're in prison. And as I've said, you're placing your life/death in the hands of those that would kill Ashli Babbitt and free burn loot murder. How many times do you have to see authority use the greater power you've given them just to turn around and harm you?? How does any of this make sense?

Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (0fVbu)

264 An excellent point, but have we reached the point at which taking up arms against the government is the only rational step?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 11:45 AM (XIJ/X)

I don't think people have endured enough pain yet for that yet.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (N39Ws)

265 257 The Bible instructs us to send murderers to God for His judgement.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at July 07, 2022 11:50 AM (ZEHVO)

Devoting resources to 24/7 ensure a murderer doesn't kill again is both impractical and ineffective. Worse, liberals will just let them out at some point.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (zXYId)

266 If you're someone who's drawn the attention of Putin or his cronies, there is no point in pleading any other way. You're going to be found guilty regardless, and you'll likely only make it harder on yourself by fighting it.

**

Why does this sound so familiar?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - How Joe Biden is just like the Founding Fathers, no seriously at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (QsOFZ)

267 I read somewhere that in medieval times, the executioner (simultaneous high-low status profession) would treat the prisoner kindly and gently for a day before the event. The purpose was to get a fallen attitude and tears out of the criminal once they were in front of a crowd.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 07, 2022 11:50 AM (44ww/)
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Probably had a lot to do with the Christian ethos of atonement for one's sins. Sure, a murderer can't really make up for killing someone, but they can at least express a sincere desire for atonement (and be redeemed by the blood of Christ).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (YIVH2)

268 260 And so it begins...
Posted by: The Guy Who Says Turn Off JavaScript
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Now that is funny.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2022 11:51 AM (5p7BC)

I'm trying to get it. Honestly.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (Vr12I)

269 And I pointed all that out to them yesterday, Diogenes. Even sent the wikipedia link with a picture. Was completely ignored. We used to winter in Maryhill, when I lived in the Airstream. Have been to it many times.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (5HBd1)

270 Nota Bene

The head of the DNA lab that gave Mike Nifong absolute (but fake) DNA evidence spent more time in jail than the corrupt prosecutor who also knew it was fake.

Posted by: Miklos, who so thinks at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (thbCK)

271 The theory that swift capital punishment would be a deterrent to mass shooters assumes that psychopaths, or those suffering psychotic breaks, are rational actors who respond to incentives in a predictable manner.

They don't. Not saying the kid shouldn't get the chair, but the threat of swift capital punishment likely means nothing to a certain type of crazy.

However, such a threat might be more effective for, say, the gang thugs who are overrunning Chicago. If they ran any real risk of getting busted, convicted and fried, they might think twice. But as it is, they're not even getting caught, so good luck with that.

Posted by: Trollbot, The Bot Made Of Trolls at July 07, 2022 11:53 AM (1dzqn)

272 An excellent point, but have we reached the point at which taking up arms against the government is the only rational step?

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No, and that's why they're destroying our wealth and making sure gas will be $10 for the next decade or so.

They need that action for their next step. They're trying their hardest to make it happen.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - How Joe Biden is just like the Founding Fathers, no seriously at July 07, 2022 11:53 AM (QsOFZ)

273 My dream scenario is Putin asking America to release J6 prisoners in exchange for Griner.
Posted by: The Guy Who Says Turn Off JavaScript at July 07, 2022 11:51 AM (LVPjk)

That would be awesome!

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 07, 2022 11:53 AM (4I/2K)

274 264 An excellent point, but have we reached the point at which taking up arms against the government is the only rational step?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 11:45 AM (XIJ/X)

I don't think people have endured enough pain yet for that yet.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (N39Ws)

Yeah. High prices for stuff is not enough to Man the Barricades over.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 11:54 AM (Vr12I)

275 Criminals convicted of capital crimes should be hung. Hanging was historically considered a dishonorable way to execute someone and criminals had no honor in society.

Posted by: Archer at July 07, 2022 11:54 AM (gmo/4)

276 The airplane thing didn't work. Until Bitter Clinger explained exactly what to do, I had no idea how to disable javascript. Being a tech dummy, I try not to go to advanced settings fearing doing more harm than good.
So again, ,thank you. It is amazing how a small thing like ruining my breakfast routine which starts with JJs morning report, can affect my entire day.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 11:54 AM (Y+l9t)

277 The Jury ARE the People in this scenario. Not the Government.

Posted by: garrett at July 07, 2022 11:24 AM (uj06W)

You would support as just, then, a DC jury's decision to sentence President Trump to death for treason, yes?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 07, 2022 11:55 AM (fI5MT)

278 How many times do you have to see authority use the greater power you've given them just to turn around and harm you?? How does any of this make sense?
Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (0fVbu)

You misunderstand how this works. Hitler was not given power by the Jews to kill them. He didn't rely on societal approval of the death penalty to do it. Authorities commit mass murder with weapons and obedient minions, not with laws. Refusing to do something won't be reciprocated by the Left. Not banning communists doesn't ensure communists won't ban you, rather it enables communists to ban you.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 11:55 AM (zXYId)

279
Why does this sound so familiar?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - How Joe Biden is just like the Founding Fathers, no seriously at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (QsOFZ)

Right?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:55 AM (IXpV7)

280 Easy guys. Take to a planned Parenthood. Take the age multiply by three and add three. State I am here for an x trimester abortion. In Awakes case a 66 trimester abortion. Done.

Posted by: Picric at July 07, 2022 11:55 AM (oOCa9)

281 Leon Czolgosz

Shot President William McKinley on September 6, 1901.

Executed October 29, 1901
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 07, 2022 11:46 AM (/U27+)

244 Death Penalty Gold Standard:
The Death Penalty was carried out on anarchist Leon Czolgosz, just six weeks after his assassination of President McKinley.
Posted by: TitanTom at July 07, 2022 11:47 AM (7JoB7)

Horde mind is a scary thing,

Posted by: Infidel at July 07, 2022 11:55 AM (mn1Pi)

282 You would support as just, then, a DC jury's decision to sentence President Trump to death for treason, yes?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 07, 2022 11:55 AM (fI5MT)

What we do has no bearing on their moral limits. Refusing to kill a man does not mean others will refuse to kill you. Pacificsm is not a defense.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 11:56 AM (zXYId)

283 Including disabling javascript?
Posted by: Oddbob

Call it Keystone JavaScript XL and it's GONE

Posted by: Miklos, thinker of deviousness at July 07, 2022 11:56 AM (thbCK)

284 The head of the DNA lab that gave Mike Nifong absolute (but fake) DNA evidence spent more time in jail than the corrupt prosecutor who also knew it was fake.
Posted by: Miklos, who so thinks at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (thbCK)
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Depressing but not surprising.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at July 07, 2022 11:56 AM (WWh8n)

285 I would like to see an "Executions With Ryan Seacrest" TV show or live pod cast or whatever they do nowadays.

Weekly executions from across the fruited plain. People would even be allowed to vote on the type of executions to execute the convicted democrat voter with.

Make it mandatory watching grades 5 thru 12.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 07, 2022 11:56 AM (DDw5Y)

286 Criminals convicted of capital crimes should be hung. Hanging was historically considered a dishonorable way to execute someone and criminals had no honor in society.

You're right. And the left can't complain that it is cruel and unusual punishment since it existed as a lawful means of punishment when the Constitution was adopted.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 07, 2022 11:56 AM (lf83v)

287 Heh, I can see the wheels turning in CBD's mind right now. Processing our conversation from yesterday

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2022 11:57 AM (5p7BC)

288 I would like to see an "Executions With Ryan Seacrest" TV show

Could we start with Ryan Seacrest?

Posted by: Archimedes at July 07, 2022 11:57 AM (/NCI4)

289 Horde mind is a scary thing,
Posted by: Infidel

The lamp post parties will be fun, though.

Posted by: Miklos, laughing just thinking about it at July 07, 2022 11:57 AM (thbCK)

290 I have thought over that years that if you believe in Heavenly Redemption that a fast, merciful capital punishment system could be the only way for that person to ever find peace here on Earth and maybe even forever.

Knowing the exact time and date you meet your Father is better than 99.9% of people will ever have.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 07, 2022 11:58 AM (ex2Cx)

291 251 Liberal like to point to our capital punishment system and say "No one kills as many convicts as the United States."

They're right. Because in countries like Russia, China, Iran South Africa, Nigeria, etc. etc, they don't ever make it to trial. The police kill them during the arrest.
...

I don't know how true it was but it seemed to be 30 years ago when I was there, in the Philippines prisoners would routinely "escape" custody and be found dead. Assumption being that a guard was paid to look the other way. Financial perk of employment as a police officer. (Killing a criminal for free would be stupid.)

Can't really pin that on backward countries though, since it seems to work in America for prisoner suicides so...

Posted by: Synova at July 07, 2022 11:58 AM (BD/yx)

292
Authorities commit mass murder with weapons and obedient minions, not with laws.

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They do both. The vast majority of murders in an authoritarian system are extrajudicial. But there are *always* high-profile judicial murders as well. On the one hand, they terrorize the populace. On the other, once people have accepted several thousand of these rigged proceedings, the rest of everything the leaders do is legitimized by dint of them.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:58 AM (IXpV7)

293 Could we start with Ryan Seacrest?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 07, 2022 11:57 AM (/NCI4)

Might as well do Kelly too!

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 07, 2022 11:59 AM (ex2Cx)

294 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 11:54 AM (Y+l9t)

No problem sharon.

Now, to answer your next question in advance, when on some other posts with Twitter videos embedded:

The videos won't load and play because you have JavaScript disabled. So the work around is to load the main page with JS disabled, link to the comments page, then go to settings and activate JS, then refresh the comments page.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 11:59 AM (LVPjk)

295 Another thing that makes me amiable to the death penalty is taking the murderers life before he/she/it decided to kill again. Prison is no guarantee that the killing will stop. Prisoners kill prisoners all the time.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at July 07, 2022 11:59 AM (0OmEj)

296 I would like to see an "Executions With Ryan Seacrest" TV show or live pod cast or whatever they do nowadays.

Weekly executions from across the fruited plain. People would even be allowed to vote on the type of executions to execute the convicted democrat voter with.

Make it mandatory watching grades 5 thru 12.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 07, 2022 11:56 AM (DDw5Y)

Terrible idea.

Posted by: Ben Richards at July 07, 2022 11:59 AM (4I/2K)

297 Maybe capitol punishment would be a better deterrent if it was a bit less humane. Impalement? Boiled alive over a period of hours? Ivan the Terrible was fond of frying people to death.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 11:59 AM (QSjkU)

298 How many times do you have to see authority use the greater power you've given them just to turn around and harm you?? How does any of this make sense?
Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 11:52 AM (0fVbu)

The key to that is getting rid of another Court imposed non Constitutional idea... Sovereign Immunity. The Government must be held to the same standard as the Citizen, or its not a Republic.

If you hang a couple of politicians, they will behave much better IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 07, 2022 11:59 AM (oHd/0)

299 Prisoners kill prisoners all the time.
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at July 07, 2022 11:59 AM (0OmEj)

Darn.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 07, 2022 12:00 PM (UuD2k)

300 I would like to see an "Executions With Ryan Seacrest" TV show

Could we start with Ryan Seacrest?
Posted by: Archimedes

Marleen thinks he's gay.

Posted by: Miklos, just heard that at July 07, 2022 12:00 PM (thbCK)

301 297 Maybe capitol punishment would be a better deterrent if it was a bit less humane. Impalement? Boiled alive over a period of hours? Ivan the Terrible was fond of frying people to death.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 11:59 AM (QSjkU)

Use a gun to murder? Firing squad, broadcast to all TVs using the Public Broadcast system.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM (oHd/0)

302 are rational actors who respond to incentives in a predictable manner.

If you look at their writings and how they perform their killings, it looks like they are acting in a rational and predictable manner. It’s their goals that most people would consider irrational, not how they carry them out.

Otherwise, you would see a lot more attempted mass murders in the huge number of places where legal concealed carry is allowed in Texas, instead of only in the very few places that only criminals are allowed to carry firearms.

Because part of their goal is becoming famous for the heinousness of their crimes, the longer they are in the news the more successful they are. Under this theory, a quick capital punishment would be a deterrent, or, if the system is gamable, cause them to structure their mass murders so as to avoid capital punishment.

I’m pretty sure there are potential mass murderers right now, seeing non-mass murderer Hinckley favorably interviewed live, thinking, how can I get me some of that?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM (U+Oxn)

303 An excellent point, but have we reached the point at which taking up arms against the government is the only rational step?

The question of when to start shooting is key. It is clearly to late when you're being herded onto the trains, and right now is too early. Perhaps the correct timing will be at the start of Brandon's planned Stalanist famines, when people finally are snapped out of their normalcy bias and realize the left means to kill them.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM (ZEHVO)

304 They do both. The vast majority of murders in an authoritarian system are extrajudicial. But there are *always* high-profile judicial murders as well. On the one hand, they terrorize the populace. On the other, once people have accepted several thousand of these rigged proceedings, the rest of everything the leaders do is legitimized by dint of them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 11:58 AM (IXpV7)

Yeah they do show trials to spread fear but it's not like they even adhere to supposed protections on the books, they just ignore them. The words on paper don't stop people from doing evil, fear of repercussion does. The Left means to do evil to us regardless of our mercy and tolerance towards them.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM (zXYId)

305 Who loves you, and who do you love?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM (IWtW+)

306 Bitter Clinger, wish you lived closer. I'd come into the bar and have a drink and a chat.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM (Y+l9t)

307 Processing our conversation from yesterday

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2022 11:57 AM (5p7BC)

You made some excellent points, especially about NY state's disgusting ploy to kneecap the USSC.

But...they can still throw people in jail; just look at the J6 prisoners!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM (XIJ/X)

308 Basketball chick pleads guilty and used the "I didn't know" plea. Putin can be benevolent now, too bad he probably will.

He'll tell Biden "give me Ukraine and you can sniff her hair before she's locked up again". Biden will gladly accept.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2022 12:02 PM (ZGrMX)

309
Maybe capitol punishment would be a better deterrent if it was a bit less humane.

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Capital punishment: what we do to criminals

Capitol punishment: what criminals do to us

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 07, 2022 12:02 PM (/U27+)

310 There used to be public executions in this country. I think that served as a deterrent as well. They are prohibited now, but they may want to consider filming the execution and showing it to certain sections of the inmate population.

Especially the ones where they start crying for the mothers and pissing their pants.

(I'm looking at you MS-13).

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 07, 2022 12:02 PM (lf83v)

311 Use a gun to murder? Firing squad, broadcast to all TVs using the Public Broadcast system.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM (oHd/0)

Coolio.... look like the last time the Supremes weighed in on it (1879) a Firing Squad was declared NOT cruel or unusual. Stare Decisis for the Win!

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 07, 2022 12:02 PM (oHd/0)

312 Bitter Clinger, wish you lived closer. I'd come into the bar and have a drink and a chat.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM (Y+l9t)

Maybe I'll make a MoMe one of these years.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 12:02 PM (LVPjk)

313 Peewee Gaskins was an evil little man, but redeemed himself a bit at the end.

Posted by: Miklos, if I were on the jury at July 07, 2022 12:03 PM (thbCK)

314 A disarmed people is a compliant people. It's as simple as that.

That's our goal!

Posted by: The State Governments of New York, New Jersey, Illinois, and Kalifornia at July 07, 2022 12:03 PM (a3Q+t)

315 Kamala goes 100% in on gay groomers in K-3

https://tinyurl.com/3vm2d2c7

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 07, 2022 12:03 PM (ex2Cx)

316 I wonder if the dumbasses running the WH realize that they have created the most profitable conditions for oil, gas, and coal in decades.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 07, 2022 12:03 PM (UuD2k)

317 305 Who loves you, and who do you love?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM (IWtW+)

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KILLIAN IS LYING TO YOU

Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:03 PM (9/IeZ)

318 >>> You misunderstand how this works. Hitler was not given power by the Jews to kill them. He didn't rely on societal approval of the death penalty to do it. Authorities commit mass murder with weapons and obedient minions, not with laws. Refusing to do something won't be reciprocated by the Left. Not banning communists doesn't ensure communists won't ban you, rather it enables communists to ban you.
Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 11:55 AM (zXYId)

Your "it won't happen here" argument is not very convincing from my perspective. Giving power to the state however it is done either by "law" or tacitly relinquishing it always end up poorly. Giving the state license to kill those it doesn't like will end up poorly. It does not save lives and empowers those who should be allowed only the least power.

Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 12:04 PM (0fVbu)

319 Maybe capitol punishment would be a better deterrent if it was a bit less humane. Impalement? Boiled alive over a period of hours? Ivan the Terrible was fond of frying people to death.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 11:59 AM (QSjkU)

What was the name of that brass bull they would put someone in and then light a fire underneath so as it got hot the screams of the soon to be dead person made the bull snort and roar?

That would get huge ratings among the great unwashed.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 07, 2022 12:04 PM (DDw5Y)

320 313
Is he the one who gave a radio with a surprise to another inmate?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 07, 2022 12:04 PM (vNbzm)

321 Some offenses are simply so egregious that they demand the offender be terminated with prejudice.

Not really much use for the death penalty aside from that.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 07, 2022 12:04 PM (KATBx)

322 317 KILLIAN IS LYING TO YOU
Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:03 PM (9/IeZ)

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How was the show a ratings hit if the prisoners usually got killed in the first encounter with the gladiators?

Those shows shouldn't have been more than, like, fifteen minutes long.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:05 PM (IWtW+)

323 Who loves you, and who do you love?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I read that in a Barry White voice

Posted by: Miklos, oh baby baby at July 07, 2022 12:05 PM (thbCK)

324 The Roman standard execution method was beheading, I think. Showy and quick.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 12:05 PM (Vr12I)

325 The left would be fine hanging Trump as an object lesson to the rest of the politicians. Ours, obviously.

Posted by: torabora at July 07, 2022 12:05 PM (vFsV8)

326 You would support as just, then, a DC jury's decision to sentence President Trump to death for treason, yes?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider

Was he caught in the act? No. So no. Was the Uvalde school shooter caught in the act? Yes. So yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 12:06 PM (RNuBu)

327 What was the name of that brass bull they would put someone in and then light a fire underneath so as it got hot the screams of the soon to be dead person made the bull snort and roar?

That would get huge ratings among the great unwashed.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 07, 2022 12:04 PM (DDw5Y)

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I believe that was the Sicilian bull

Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:06 PM (9/IeZ)

328 No love for the North Korean method of using anti-aircraft artillery? Hmmm. Thought that would appeal to this demo.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2022 12:06 PM (OTzUX)

329 " have we reached the point at which taking up arms against the government is the only rational step?"

imo the oligarchs' strategy team constantly monitors the "resistance", hence the pre-resistance assault on 1/6 protesters, using the false flag and agent provocateurs.

Also why they constantly divide and distract us. Some on the left are becoming aware, but NSA has the ability to deep spy on the rebels, and undermine an effective resistance before it even is really birthed.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 07, 2022 12:06 PM (Cus5s)

330 KILLIAN IS LYING TO YOU
Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:03 PM (9/IeZ)

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How was the show a ratings hit if the prisoners usually got killed in the first encounter with the gladiators?

Those shows shouldn't have been more than, like, fifteen minutes long.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:05 PM (IWtW+)

With the entrances, promos, commercials...hell, half hour or hour show easily. And that doesn't even count the editing.

The WWE showed the way.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 12:06 PM (XvPQV)

331 > An excellent point, but have we reached the point at which taking up arms against the government is the only rational step?
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It may be the only step remaining... rational or not.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 07, 2022 12:06 PM (BFigT)

332 Who loves you, and who do you love?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I read that in a Barry White voice
Posted by: Miklos

Who loves you baby?
--Telly Savalas

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 12:06 PM (RNuBu)

333 325 The left would be fine hanging Trump as an object lesson to the rest of the politicians. Ours, obviously.
Posted by: torabora at July 07, 2022 12:05 PM (vFsV

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They couldn't even bring themselves to condemn Fauci's experimentation on beagles. They were ok with that and they'd be ok with hanging Trump. "To save democracy!"

Posted by: 496 at July 07, 2022 12:07 PM (VJsqe)

334 Paging Ben Had!

Maybe I'll make a MoMe one of these years.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022

Let me know if I can help. Very good at organizing. Just ask the members of hte Moron Gun Club.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 07, 2022 12:07 PM (Y+l9t)

335 How was the show a ratings hit if the prisoners usually got killed in the first encounter with the gladiators?

Those shows shouldn't have been more than, like, fifteen minutes long.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:05 PM (IWtW+)
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It's been a long time since I watched the movie, but I suppose they could have multiple "contestants" per show...Kind of like The Price is Right, but with more violence and death...The kink is in watching how long each contestant survives. And of course there was plenty of "filler" material with dancing girls and prize giveaways.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 07, 2022 12:07 PM (YIVH2)

336 330 With the entrances, promos, commercials...hell, half hour or hour show easily. And that doesn't even count the editing.

The WWE showed the way.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 12:06 PM (XvPQV)

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Maybe, but I always got the sense that it was supposed to last something like three hours. Football game length.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:07 PM (IWtW+)

337 324 The Roman standard execution method was beheading, I think. Showy and quick.
Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 12:05 PM (Vr12I)

Public executions were often crucifixions.... just ask Jesus, and Spartacus.

Soldiers death was a Gladius, downward thrust from behind, cutting the spinal cord, and often reaching he heart. Quick, painless.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (oHd/0)

338 An excellent point, but have we reached the point at which taking up arms against the government is the only rational step?
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People aren't starving yet.

Once hunger enters the equation...

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (EuFDw)

339
I used to argue with rhomboid about his point that our armed society would remain completely docile and compliant for the foreseeable future. But he was right.

We've watched in the last few years as disarmed societies were notably less compliant than ours in the face of various excesses.

It's why I've pushed out my prediction of serious civil unrest/regime collapse to approximately 40 years. I may still live yet to see it. But it ain't gonna be in from my generation, or the next. We're going to have to hit rock bottom first.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (IXpV7)

340 He'll tell Biden "give me Ukraine and you can sniff her hair before she's locked up again". Biden will gladly accept.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 07, 2022 12:02 PM (ZGrMX)

seems a safe bet that Pooty will use this opportunity to humiliate and shame pResident Baked Beans-in-Head.

Posted by: kallisto at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (dCxaZ)

341 How was the show a ratings hit if the prisoners usually got killed in the first encounter with the gladiators?

Those shows shouldn't have been more than, like, fifteen minutes long.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:05 PM (IWtW+)

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They had a lot of in studio stuff too, didn't they? It's been more than a few years since I watched The Running Man, maybe I'm off.

Also, the lure was also betting on which stalker made the kill - they were competing with each other, or at least the audience was supposed to believe that.

Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (9/IeZ)

342 My dream scenario is Putin asking America to release J6 prisoners in exchange for Griner.
Posted by: The Guy Who Says Turn Off JavaScript at July 07, 2022 11:51 AM (LVPjk)
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It's a good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read that.

Posted by: WisRich at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (G0vdT)

343 The only way to make capital punishment more efficient at this point would involve giving government more power and individuals less protection. 25 years ago I'd have been dumb enough to sign onto that bargain.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (KFhLj)

344 335 It's been a long time since I watched the movie, but I suppose they could have multiple "contestants" per show...Kind of like The Price is Right, but with more violence and death...The kink is in watching how long each contestant survives. And of course there was plenty of "filler" material with dancing girls and prize giveaways.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 07, 2022 12:07 PM (YIVH2)

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That's my dad's theory, but there's no talk of new contestants. So, it's possible, but the movie doesn't make it explicit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (IWtW+)

345 (1) It 100% prevents him from doing it again.
(2) It serves as a warning to others that this is what will happen to you if you try this. So it works as a deterrent to hopefully prevent future crime.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at July 07, 2022

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Well, the deterrent certainly works on fairly intelligent, non-criminous people -- those who might kill once, in an access of passion or vengeance, and never again. Your average pro thug may not be so easily deterred.

So, see Item 1.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (txdEq)

346 I would like to see an "Executions With Ryan Seacrest" TV show

Could we start with Ryan Seacrest?
Posted by: Archimedes

Marleen thinks he's gay.
Posted by: Miklos, just heard that at July 07, 2022 12:00 PM (thbCK)

She's right

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (XvPQV)

347 Hitler didn't start with the Jews, nor did he murder only Jews. He started with people with physical defects, mentally retarded or insane, homos, moved into Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, anyone he considered undesirable. That included German communists. He was an equal opportunity mass murder who didn't get involved with the dirty work, but authorized everything without a paper trail.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (QSjkU)

348 There is no reason for that. A gallows can be constructed for less than $10K, and it and the accompanying rope can be used indefinitely.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 07, 2022 11:07 AM (lTGtQ)

Why go to the trouble of constructing a gallows? You already have a hammer.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (isanu)

349 Your "it won't happen here" argument is not very convincing from my perspective. Giving power to the state however it is done either by "law" or tacitly relinquishing it always end up poorly. Giving the state license to kill those it doesn't like will end up poorly. It does not save lives and empowers those who should be allowed only the least power.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 12:04 PM (0fVbu)

It happens regardless of whether you give power to the state. No one gave Mao power, he took it. Not having a death penalty does nothing to deter someone from seizing power and committing genocide. Rather it ensured that Lenin and Stalin survive to see their revolution to fruition. They were prisoners. Refusal to punish evil only encourages it.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (zXYId)

350 Maybe I'll make a MoMe one of these years.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 12:02 PM (LVPjk)

You can give a cocktail presentation.

I am completely serious.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 12:09 PM (XIJ/X)

351 USSC needs to shut the NY shit show down stat.

That's insurrection.

Posted by: torabora at July 07, 2022 12:09 PM (vFsV8)

352 With the entrances, promos, commercials...hell, half hour or hour show easily. And that doesn't even count the editing.

The WWE showed the way.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 12:06 PM (XvPQV)
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Excellent point. Professional wrestling is a good model for a "Running Man" style show...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 07, 2022 12:09 PM (YIVH2)

353 No love for the North Korean method of using anti-aircraft artillery? Hmmm. Thought that would appeal to this demo.
Posted by: rhomboid

Play catch the mortar

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 12:10 PM (RNuBu)

354 The Roman standard execution method was beheading, I think. Showy and quick.
Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022

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They also flung certain criminals off the Tarpeian rock near the Capitol, I think.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 07, 2022 12:10 PM (txdEq)

355 The Criminal Justice system saves the criminals from the public!

I think we will see vigilante justice within 10 years.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 07, 2022 12:10 PM (ex2Cx)

356 The Roman standard execution method was beheading, I think. Showy and quick.
Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 12:05 PM (Vr12I)

Public executions were often crucifixions.... just ask Jesus, and Spartacus.

Soldiers death was a Gladius, downward thrust from behind, cutting the spinal cord, and often reaching he heart. Quick, painless.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (oHd/0)

Roman law and custom was weird about death penalties. Strangulation was for high crimes, conquered kings. Crucifixion was for slaves and prisoners, mostly. Putting a holy Roman citizen to death was very hard to do, legally.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 12:10 PM (XvPQV)

357 There is 636% more Covid in Houston's wastewater than back in July 2020. Ermygawd, we all gonna die!

Houston Public Works: We monitoring what's in what you flush down.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 07, 2022 12:10 PM (4I/2K)

358 Call it Keystone JavaScript XL and it's GONE

I apologize if my comment came across as a bit curt (but not Kurt) but multiple people have been saying the same thing in answer to the same question for two days now.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 07, 2022 12:11 PM (nfrXX)

359 "How was the show a ratings hit if the prisoners usually got killed in the first encounter with the gladiators?

Those shows shouldn't have been more than, like, fifteen minutes long."

It was just a televised version of the Roman gladiator games, blood and gore. I think the "draw" for the audience was that it was random (wink, wink) which Gladiator would take the prisoner on. Getting those eyes for the first 15min was all that was needed for "ratings".

Then all of the gambling that I'm sure the show took a cut of.

Posted by: Scott_T at July 07, 2022 12:11 PM (2waQ7)

360 ...who do you love?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:01 PM

I've been askin'....

Posted by: George Thorogood at July 07, 2022 12:11 PM (ENBF0)

361 One Roman method of execution was to put a person in a strong sack with a wild animal and throw it in the ocean.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 07, 2022 12:11 PM (Y5qcH)

362 316 I wonder if the dumbasses running the WH realize that they have created the most profitable conditions for oil, gas, and coal in decades.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 07, 2022 12:03 PM (UuD2k)

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It almost looks like they're colluding with Russia to make Putin even richer.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at July 07, 2022 12:11 PM (QbCrG)

363 People aren't starving yet.

Once hunger enters the equation...

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (EuFDw)

I think the Lord returns and settles accounts. Mine is to endure the tribulation and help who I can until He returns in bright light.

Man isn't ever gonna conquer evil on their own, even with the best of intentions and the bravest men.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 12:11 PM (LVPjk)

364 Maybe capitol punishment would be a better deterrent if it was a bit less humane. Impalement? Boiled alive over a period of hours? Ivan the Terrible was fond of frying people to death.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 11:59 AM (QSjkU)

Someone, maybe the Cossacks, used to bury the murderer alive with his victim.

Posted by: Javems at July 07, 2022 12:11 PM (AmoqO)

365 >>> Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 11:55 AM (zXYId)

Or perhaps you were making a separate argument in regards to scheming, lawlessness and the left. If I missed that I apologize.

Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 12:11 PM (0fVbu)

366
Hang 'em high!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Posted by: Nature Boy Ric Flair at July 07, 2022 12:12 PM (89T5c)

367 After observing what the DOJ and judiciary has become, I would trust them as far as I could throw them.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 07, 2022 12:12 PM (MkYsY)

368 Maybe, but I always got the sense that it was supposed to last something like three hours. Football game length.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:07 PM (IWtW+)

I think Richard Dawson knew a thing or two about American attention span. I'm guessing an hour show, tops.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 12:12 PM (XvPQV)

369 Y's Dice, I don't even remember sparring over that question here. Probably the dain bramage on my side.

But I just find no facial plausibility/practical likelihood to things like "armed uprising" or "national divorce" because .... they're either completely impractical/don't correspond to the actual situation (divorce) or lack any concrete objectives, organization, confluence of motives and goals, or anything else that usually underlies such a momentous phenomenon.

Don't play a psychiatrist on the web, but these themes here seem like escapist wishcasting, always have. Which is better than nothing, which is what I offer.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2022 12:12 PM (OTzUX)

370 True - J6 political prisoners are a huge travesty. I think it only keeps working though because they are imprisoned in DC, so it is federal jurisdiction and 90% of the population are leftists.

Throwing people in jail in NY for violating a law that USSC says is unconstitutional would be a pretty tough thing to get to stick.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 07, 2022 12:13 PM (5p7BC)

371 Poena cullei (from Latin 'penalty of the sack')[1] under Roman law was a type of death penalty imposed on a subject who had been found guilty of patricide. The punishment consisted of being sewn up in a leather sack, with an assortment of live animals including a dog, snake, monkey, and a chicken or rooster, and then being thrown into water.

The Romans knew how to use punishment as a deterrence.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 07, 2022 12:13 PM (Y5qcH)

372 I own a gladius, funnily enough. " Looks at gladius" - that might sting a litle bit.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 12:13 PM (Vr12I)

373 Brazen Bull>>All Other Forms

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 07, 2022 12:13 PM (ex2Cx)

374 @Bitter Clinger...

Check the sidebar

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 12:13 PM (XIJ/X)

375 Or you could do like in The Naked Prey where a convict is stripped naked then forced to run thru the streets of any blue city and anyone can take him out if they find him.

Pick a different city each week.

If he makes it out of the city, he can go phree. Until the next time.

democrat voters would eat it up with a spork!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 07, 2022 12:13 PM (DDw5Y)

376 Well, the Romans were nothing if not whimsical, sounds like.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 12:14 PM (Vr12I)

377 Or perhaps you were making a separate argument in regards to scheming, lawlessness and the left. If I missed that I apologize.
Posted by: banana Dream at July 07, 2022 12:11 PM (0fVbu)

No biggie. My point succinctly is that gross abuses of power are rather like spontaneous murders, existing law doesn't matter. We do not run additional risks of murder from the Left by having a death penalty, they'll implement that against us regardless.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 12:14 PM (zXYId)

378 The problem with the death penalty is immediately apparent to anybody with even basic understanding of the system, and like so many other problems, stems from one simple root cause:

And that cause is REFUSING to acknowledge that people ARE NOT acting in good faith.

The law that you could not be executed with a pending appeal was perfectly sensible, given what a snails pace the justice system works. HOWEVER, it allowed the pathetically obvious loophole of the jackasses filing ONE SINGLE APPEAL, waiting until it was denied, filing ONE MORE appeal, etc etc etc.

And of course the solution is pathetically obvious - hard cutoff for appeals that don't involve new evidence.

But of course the RINOs will never actually put that in place. They don't care the system is exploited.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at July 07, 2022 12:15 PM (setIA)

379 368 I think Richard Dawson knew a thing or two about American attention span. I'm guessing an hour show, tops.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 12:12 PM (XvPQV)

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Yeah.

Still, the shock at people seeing a stalker die was rather deep. How are there "winners", recent ones, if stalkers dying is unusual?

I like the movie, but it requires not thinking too much about it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:15 PM (IWtW+)

380 347 Hitler didn't start with the Jews, nor did he murder only Jews. He started with people with physical defects, mentally retarded or insane, homos, moved into Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, anyone he considered undesirable. That included German communists.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at July 07, 2022 12:08 PM (QSjkU)

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You're partially right. Thing is, you kind of need to distinguish between two types of killing in the Third Reich: "ordinary", for lack of a better word, killing and assembly-line annihilation. There have been a lot of murderous regimes throughout history. What set the Nazis apart was the creation of what was essentially death factories, the extermination camps of Operation Reinhard.

In the prewar years, there were people killed via shooting, beatings, hangings, etc, but not on a mass scale. These were the German communists, Gypsies, ordinary criminals, homosexuals, etc. Such killings continued into the war. Large-scale extermination of entire populations, however, was concentrated almost entirely on two groups - the disabled and Jews. The 1939 T4 program for the disabled was the trial run for what became the Holocaust.

Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:16 PM (9/IeZ)

381

Getting chased off a cliff by topless chicks in fetish gear?

Posted by: Dr. Nick Rivera at July 07, 2022 12:16 PM (cIJ3G)

382
Y's Dice, I don't even remember sparring over that question here. Probably the dain bramage on my side.

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We're talking probably five, six years back.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 07, 2022 12:16 PM (IXpV7)

383 (Master of Games) "You bring this network's ratings down, Flavius, and we'll do a special on you."

(Claudius Marcus) "We believe men should fight their own battles. Only the weak will die."

(Announcer) "And first tonight, ladies and gentlemen, a surprise extra. In the far corner, a pair of highly aggressive barbarians. Strong, intelligent, with strange ways, and I'm sure full of a lot of surprises. And facing them, two favorites here from previous encounters; Achilles and Flavius."

(Announcer) "Victory or death? And for which of them? Well, ladies and gentlemen, you know just as much about that at this moment as I do because this is your program. You name the winner."

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at July 07, 2022 12:16 PM (yikp0)

384 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 07, 2022 12:13 PM (XIJ/X)

Lol.

ace is gonna fire you!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 07, 2022 12:16 PM (LVPjk)

385 If I understand correctly Roman citizens were typically beheaded. Slaves and non-citizens were crucified..
In Britain the upper class were beheaded. Other classes were hung.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at July 07, 2022 12:16 PM (eGTCV)

386 Seems the states and even inferior federal courts have been in pretty much de facto insurrection against Heller since it was handed down. Didn't matter.

The legal cult is such a huge, inertial force, and an ignorant default confidence in the system almost a cultural trait (sadly, it came about because it was more/less earned, in the past), that only nerds and those knowledgeable but not blinded by cult blinders seem to know or care about lawlessness within the "legal" system.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2022 12:17 PM (OTzUX)

387 a dog, snake, monkey, and a chicken walk into a bar...

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at July 07, 2022 12:17 PM (jRQbu)

388 Where’d the bread puns go? Did someone put them in a box?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 07, 2022 12:17 PM (rr41A)

389 I think this is a good news story, although the fact the court was split 4-3 on something so clear-cut is disturbing. Lefties gotta support degenerate groomers, I guess...

AP- Wisconsin court rules against transgender sex offender

The Wisconsin Supreme Court’s conservative majority said Thursday that a transgender woman cannot change her name because she is on the state’s sex offender registry and the law does not allow people on the registry to change their names.

The court’s 4-3 decision upholds the rulings of two lower courts, which rejected the woman’s requests to change her name and avoid registering as a sex offender.

The woman, identified in court documents only as Ella, was required to register as a sex offender after being convicted of sexually assaulting a disabled 14-year-old boy when she was 15. She is now 22. She entered the criminal justice system identifying as male and was ordered to register as a sex offender for 15 years. State law prohibits registered sex offenders from changing their names or using aliases not listed in the sex offender registry.

Yup...exactly what I'd expect.

Posted by: One small step for sanity? at July 07, 2022 12:17 PM (JCZqz)

390 How are there "winners", recent ones, if stalkers dying is unusual?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:15 PM (IWtW+)

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As I remember, the way a runner could supposedly win was by evading the stalkers for a specified period of time, not by killing the stalkers.

Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:18 PM (9/IeZ)

391 You Know What Would Deter More Shootings Than Red Flag Laws? Executing Mass Killers Quickly
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Guess what works even faster...

letting people arm and defend themselves.

Weakness invites agression.

Posted by: Its the obvious solution at July 07, 2022 12:18 PM (2NKQ7)

392 Large-scale extermination of entire populations, however, was concentrated almost entirely on two groups - the disabled and Jews. The 1939 T4 program for the disabled was the trial run for what became the Holocaust.
Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:16 PM (9/IeZ)

Slavs too, disabled might be third place.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 12:18 PM (zXYId)

393 Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI): "I am highly concerned in terms of Joe Biden's compromise. The fact that he might have funded his son's use of (potentially) escorts in part of a sex scandal, a global sex scandal/sex operation.:

Oh my.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 07, 2022 12:18 PM (MkYsY)

394 376 Well, the Romans were nothing if not whimsical, sounds like.
Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 12:14 PM (Vr12I)

Well, they were around a long time... roughly 1000 years... lots of changes in that time.

Hell, we've only been here 250 years... and look at all our changes, even though we supposedly have the same form of government.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 07, 2022 12:18 PM (oHd/0)

395 >>> In Britain the upper class were beheaded. Other classes were hung.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at July 07, 2022 12:16 PM (eGTCV)

yep

Posted by: Biggus Dickus, peasant at July 07, 2022 12:18 PM (E9ZCZ)

396 Still, the shock at people seeing a stalker die was rather deep. How are there "winners", recent ones, if stalkers dying is unusual?

I like the movie, but it requires not thinking too much about it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at July 07, 2022 12:15 PM (IWtW+)

Well the 'winners' (Whitman, Price and Hadadd) were just lies. All three were exectuted off camera.

The "contestants" were usually carefully selected and they were never military types or likely people with fighting experience. Against normies, those professional killers would be as brutally efficient and showy as any headlining gladiator back in Roman times. Losing a stalker would be rare indeed.

The Running Man is a good movie, not deep, but good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at July 07, 2022 12:19 PM (XvPQV)

397 AoSHq, come for the politics stay for the history lessons

Posted by: Skip's phone at July 07, 2022 12:19 PM (0l9eG)

398 Who loves you, and who do you love?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I read that in a Barry White voice
Posted by: Miklos

Who loves you baby?
--Telly Savalas
Posted by: rickb223

It's sanctified *clap* We're all sensitive people, with so much to give

Posted by: Miklos-Marvin Gaye at July 07, 2022 12:19 PM (thbCK)

399 >>> In Britain the upper class were beheaded. Other classes were hung.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at July 07, 2022 12:16 PM (eGTCV)

yep
Posted by: Biggus Dickus, peasant at July 07, 2022 12:18 PM (E9ZCZ)

They was right!

Posted by: Sheriff Bart at July 07, 2022 12:19 PM (4I/2K)

400 388 Where’d the bread puns go? Did someone put them in a box?

They went broke. Couldn't raise enough dough.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 07, 2022 12:20 PM (89T5c)

401 391 You Know What Would Deter More Shootings Than Red Flag Laws? Executing Mass Killers Quickly
_
Guess what works even faster...

letting people arm and defend themselves.

Weakness invites agression.

Posted by: Its the obvious solution at July 07, 2022 12:18 PM (2NKQ7)

Despite what Movies show, the Old West had a VERY low murder rate. Why? everyone armed. Quick Hangings.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 07, 2022 12:20 PM (oHd/0)

402 When you behead a chicken they run around for a while, unaware that they, you know, are dead and all. Impresses the little kids watching.

Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 12:20 PM (Vr12I)

403 302 are rational actors who respond to incentives in a predictable manner.

If you look at their writings and how they perform their killings, it looks like they are acting in a rational and predictable manner.

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Re-read what I wrote about "psychopaths and those suffering psychotic breaks," then search the meaning of those terms.

Posted by: Trollbot, The Bot Made Of Trolls at July 07, 2022 12:20 PM (1dzqn)

404 Nood Georga Grindstone destruction.

Posted by: Scott_T at July 07, 2022 12:21 PM (2waQ7)

405 # 351. Yes, it's absolutely infringement from the get go as it was intended to be.

I live in Upstate NY and you can imagine the fury over this, it's barely contained.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 07, 2022 12:21 PM (KATBx)

406 >>> Where’d the bread puns go? Did someone put them in a box?

They went broke. Couldn't raise enough dough.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 07, 2022 12:20 PM (89T5c)

Lots of people just aren't breadfans.

Posted by: Budgie at July 07, 2022 12:21 PM (E9ZCZ)

407 394 376 Well, the Romans were nothing if not whimsical, sounds like.
Posted by: kraken at July 07, 2022 12:14 PM (Vr12I)

Well, they were around a long time... roughly 1000 years... lots of changes in that time.

Hell, we've only been here 250 years... and look at all our changes, even though we supposedly have the same form of government.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 07, 2022 12:18 PM (oHd/0)

On the other hand Roman law is still the bedrock of a lot of European law.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 12:22 PM (zXYId)

408 Soviet POWs and civilians in occupied USSR - in terms of numbers - surely vastly exceed by a huge amount the number of disabled murdered by the Reich. A couple million for the POWs alone.

And guillotine was the usual method of execution of civilians convicted/railroaded/show trialed in Nazi Germany, whether regular or political criminals.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2022 12:22 PM (OTzUX)

409 And of course the solution is pathetically obvious - hard cutoff for appeals that don't involve new evidence.

But of course the RINOs will never actually put that in place. They don't care the system is exploited.
Posted by: DudeAbiding

Because they have a financial stake it it. Either from private prisons to some business supporting a state run prison. Be is commissary, laundry, supplies, etc.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 12:22 PM (RNuBu)

410 Eva Vlaardingenbroek makes an excellent point in her interview with Tucker Carlson Today, original to my ear.

She says the after effect of WW2 is anti-male, anti-nationalist, anti-German. Combined with the constant racialism and "critical studies" bent of academic Marxists, simple minded prejudices dominate: Nazis are white, Nazis are nationalist, Nazis are males, and anything not socialist (every system) is Nazi.

Europe is through-the-looking glass: freedom is compliance, safety is accepting crime, health is getting vaccinated (regardless of impact), being Dutch is welcoming mass migration. The US is not much different.

Not just beautiful, but also a very bright woman.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at July 07, 2022 12:24 PM (FZnf6)

411 There were exceptions to everything, of course, but in general the Slavs were not sent to the death camps of Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, Chelmno, or Belzec. They were shot, hanged, starved, beaten, and worked to death, but not generally gassed.

Incidentally, if you ever read about the Croatian camp at Jasenovac, where they killed Serbs, it was particularly ghastly even compared to Nazi camps, which is really saying something.

Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:24 PM (9/IeZ)

412 "Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses" Toby Keith

Posted by: boynsea at July 07, 2022 12:25 PM (cx155)

413 408 Soviet POWs and civilians in occupied USSR - in terms of numbers - surely vastly exceed by a huge amount the number of disabled murdered by the Reich. A couple million for the POWs alone.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 07, 2022 12:22 PM

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Yes, but again, these were on the whole by "ordinary" methods, not the assembly-line death camps. The majority of Soviet POWs died of intentional neglect, starvation, disease, being worked to exhaustion, etc.

Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:27 PM (9/IeZ)

414 411 There were exceptions to everything, of course, but in general the Slavs were not sent to the death camps of Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, Chelmno, or Belzec. They were shot, hanged, starved, beaten, and worked to death, but not generally gassed.

Incidentally, if you ever read about the Croatian camp at Jasenovac, where they killed Serbs, it was particularly ghastly even compared to Nazi camps, which is really saying something.
Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:24 PM (9/IeZ)

Auschwitz was originally for Poles though I am not terribly knowledgeable about how different groups were killed at what points.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 12:27 PM (zXYId)

415 Was he caught in the act? No. So no. Was the Uvalde school shooter caught in the act? Yes. So yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 07, 2022 12:06 PM (RNuBu)

Garrett's position is that the government doesn't execute people without the People saying it should. I asked if he would support a DC jury's decision to sentence President Trump to death for treason.

The point is that juries can themselves be political creatures.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 07, 2022 12:29 PM (fI5MT)

416 Auschwitz was kind of unique because it was so huge and had many subcamps.A sort of megamall of imprisonment and murder, if you will. One of its subcamps was the extermination camp, others were work camps. Poles were sent to the work camps.

Posted by: radar at July 07, 2022 12:30 PM (9/IeZ)

417 As quickly as they bulldozed that New Mexico terrorist training camp for children a couple years back after it was discovered.

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"Here, hold our murdered children." -- Mount Carmel Branch Davidian compound

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at July 07, 2022 12:31 PM (QbCrG)

418 Garrett's position is that the government doesn't execute people without the People saying it should. I asked if he would support a DC jury's decision to sentence President Trump to death for treason.

The point is that juries can themselves be political creatures.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 07, 2022 12:29 PM (fI5MT)

Whether we have a death penalty wouldn't deter a political jury and process. Executing Louis XVI was probably illegal.

Posted by: Someguy's at July 07, 2022 12:35 PM (zXYId)

419 How are there "winners", recent ones, if stalkers dying is unusual?

I think the point was that contestants were expected to evade the stalkers, not fight them. Winners didn’t win by killing the stalkers; they were expected to act like prey.

That was what turned Ben Richards into a hero: he didn’t play the game that the ruling class had cut out for him.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 07, 2022 12:35 PM (U+Oxn)

420 Sorry, a quick execution might help, but it won't stop all mass shootings since quite a few killers are willing to get killed, or kill themselves.

However, a shift to valuing life and treating it as precious might be the way to go. Abortion has sent the message that life is dirt cheap, to be extinguished for convenience.

Posted by: You're in hell, the world ended at July 07, 2022 12:36 PM (wUtvm)

421 Despite what Movies show, the Old West had a VERY low murder rate. Why? everyone armed. Quick Hangings.
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Not to mention intact families.

you shoot my brother, you got a problem with a whole lot of other armed people.

Weakness invites aggression. Strength receives courtesy and cultivates respect when used with prudence.

Posted by: Its the obvious solution at July 07, 2022 12:37 PM (2NKQ7)

422 The point is that juries can themselves be political creatures.
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To Kill a Mockingbird

Posted by: nods head at July 07, 2022 12:39 PM (l2oCo)

423 Abortion has sent the message that life is dirt cheap, to be extinguished for convenience.
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If a mother, can kill her own child, at will. What life is sacred in this society? What line is there, that cannot be crossed . . .

Legalized abortion -> infanticide -> selling the children for parts

The slippery slope is real. Its not punch line to some snobby faculty lounge joke about illogical sophomore debate tactics. We rose up out of chaos, and if we burn down the rules, we'll fall right back into again. The law of the jungle doesn't build much, doesn't provide much security or wealth, doesn't lead to good health care, or vacations in Europe.

Posted by: nods head at July 07, 2022 12:44 PM (2NKQ7)

424 I concluded just recently that these mass murders must be executed in a public execution that is grisly and bloody. The execution must not glorify the killer.

Posted by: SMOD at July 07, 2022 12:52 PM (RHGPo)

425 Not sure if the US should adopt the Chinese method of charging the family for the bullets used to kill the murder.

Posted by: SMOD at July 07, 2022 12:54 PM (RHGPo)

426
Does Chicago's South Side have enough lampposts?

Posted by: Levin at July 07, 2022 01:31 PM (A5peD)

427 the accompanying rope can be used indefinitely.
Only if it is made from those evil petrochemicals. Organic rope is not only better for the environment, but it wears out - think of the jobs!

Posted by: markedup2 at July 07, 2022 01:41 PM (DySVA)

428 You Know What Would Deter More Shootings Than Red Flag Laws?

Old Testament casting of lots.

Posted by: Corona at July 07, 2022 01:44 PM (nakGR)

429 The execution must not glorify the killer.
Posted by: SMOD at July 07, 2022 12:52 PM (RHGPo)

True. It must glorify the 85" OLED screen in every living room.

Posted by: Corona at July 07, 2022 01:47 PM (nakGR)

430 I know this thread is dead but I had a thought...

Public executions don't necessarily have to have been about deterrence or entertainment. They were probably almost entirely about being able to prove that it happened and the criminal preying on a community was actually dead.

Posted by: Synova at July 07, 2022 02:04 PM (BD/yx)

431 Tell that to Todd Willingham. Texas killed an innocent man in 1993 and forever changed my views on the Death Penalty. We have a corrupt broken Govt filled with lazy incompetent egotists. And that's just the Rinos. Democrats are far worse. The last people on Earth that should decide life or death are in a Govt.

Posted by: Fisht at July 07, 2022 02:57 PM (ZRarh)

432 73 Prager points out many Jews and Christians misunderstanding the Do not Kill rule from the 10 Commandments. Killing a human is a sin to God destroying a life.

You're confusing people about Prager's position.
Prager is firmly in support of death penalty.

just google prager death penalty youtube

Posted by: doesky2 at July 07, 2022 04:02 PM (shw70)

433 Also, no more BS put-you-to-sleep-like-a-puppy crap.
A noose (because I like to recycle) and a gallows. After public identification a bag is put over the head, the noose is put over the head, and the lever is pulled. Done.

Then you throw him in an unmarked prison yard grave.

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