Gun Thread: Another June Edition!

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Danger Will Robinson!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

You know, it occurs to me that in addition to being another June edition, it's also the last June edition of 2022. Kind of sad, really. Adios, June of 2022! Next week we'll welcome July of 2022. Now that we understand how the calendar works, wassup with all y'all? I had really, really, rilly planned to go to the farm this week but some work stuff and some home stuff got in the way of my plans. I used to go down there with five or six things on my to-do (ha!) list, and come home disappointed in having only completed one or maybe two. It was the super-smart WeaselWoman who pointed out the farm was supposed to be fun and to stop worrying about it. Smart girl, and one with impeccable taste I might add.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Feature Gun
This week we have a little feller from the WeaselCollection, the Walther P22, which I purchased new in 2010.

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This is, hands down, an excellent little gun. It functions reliably with all brands and types of ammo, and only rarely suffering a FTF/FTE, and since it's not a self-defense gun, those don't really bother me when they do occur. Whenever I am helping a new shooter, it is almost always the gun I start them out with. If I have said it once I have said it a hunnert times, do not overlook the .22LR as a training cartridge. You can still very economically spend an afternoon shooting it while focusing on all the basics of marksmanship; grip mechanics, sight alignment, target acquisition, and looking good for the range babes.

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Determining Elevation and Windage
Tonight, I want to cover something which we've discussed before and which continues to present a little bit of a mystery to many, and that's how to engage a target for the first time with an initially unverified ammo load. Say a hawt babe, the heiress to her family beer and ammo manufacturing empire who is temporarily home from her assignment as a super-model, invites you to her private range for a day of rifle shooting and you want to impress her with your super-ninja precision shooting abilities. Rather than bothering with the difficult task of practicing and recording range data, you have decided to instead spend your free time reading the internet on how the bad-ass Navy SEAL's jump out of helicopters, and by golly you're ready to go!

Except for the shooting part. Might be a teeeeensy problemo there.

You have a bolt rifle in .308 Winchester, a decent scope, bipod and a sturdy rear bag, and you even lucked in to some commercial Federal Gold Medal Match ammo that your pal 'ol Weasel recommended. Now what?

*SIGH*

You have disappointed Weasel. We've covered this material before, but let's go over it again.

Step 1: Sighting the rifle
You should've already done this, however, based on your extensive internet reading the night before the process seems something of a mystery and besides you've been OK plinking at 50 yards up until now. Not great, mind you, but OK enough to hit a fair size target most of the time.

Sighting or "zeroing" a rifle is not voodoo. It simply means the crosshairs inside the scope are pointed to exactly the same place as the rifle barrel and bullet impact at a fixed distance, and there is an easy way to achieve this mystical state of affairs. It's helpful to use a paper "sighting" target with a grid of one-inch squares, but that really isn't absolutely necessary. Set up the target at 100 yards and with as steady a hold as possible using shooting bags, and with all the little scope knobs set at zero, fire a shot at the center of the target. If you're lucky, the impact will be somewhere on the paper, but if not, you have some more work to do. With a bolt gun it's possible to remove the bolt and sight through the barrel so the scope and barrel alignment are pointed in roughly the same place so the bullet is on the paper, and there are other options, such as laser cartridge inserts, which basically do the same thing. Now the process can continue.

Say you're lucky and the bullet has found the paper, with the impact low about 2.5" and left about 3.0" of the target center and your aim point. All you need to do now is adjust the scope reticle to match the bullet's point of impact. You remember that your scope is indexed in Minutes of Angle, or MOA, and that one MOA equals just over 1" (1.047") at 100 yards. After thinking for a minute, you conclude an adjustment right 3.0 inches and up 2.5 inches is necessary. All that is needed is to turn the elevation UP and RIGHT by these amounts. Take one or two practice shots to confirm the setting, then loosen the scope knob set screws and reposition them to zero.

Now your lovely host wants to make things interesting and move out to a target at 300 yards. Uh oh! What do you do now? Up until now, all of your shooting has been at 50 yards, and you've already stretched that to 100 yards zeroing the rifle. What more does she want? These demands are unreasonable! Has she not seen your cool tactical pants and Wiley X shooting glasses?

*SIGH*

You have again disappointed Weasel. We've also covered this material before, but let's go over it again too.

Step 2: Adjusting for Elevation and Wind
You really weren't paying attention, but recall Weasel saying something about a shooting app he uses. Now what was the name of it... Ballistic something or other... Ballistic AE! That's it!! Although there are others, that's the one your 'ol pal Weasel uses and recommends, so quick like a bunny you download it from the app store.

It might not seem so first, but the Ballistic AE app isn't very difficult to use. It really pays to familiarize yourself with it before you need it and get used to the features and conventions. In a nutshell, you need to know what bullet you are using, its speed leaving the barrel of your gun and a few specifics about the rifle itself; zero distance, scope height, barrel length, and a couple of others.

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Ballistic AE comes with a bullet library containing very specific information about various bullets. Looking at the package your ammo came in, you see the Federal Gold Medal Match is using a Sierra Match King HPBT (Hollow Point Boat Tail) bullet weighing 168 grains. Recall a grain is simply a unit of weight measure equaling 1/7000th of a pound. You find the Sierra section of the bullet library and select it or enter the info manually. You don't have a chronograph to precisely measure velocity but note on the package that the manufacturer lists a muzzle velocity of 2650 fps and using the bullet library pre-selects this for you. You have no idea what length barrel was on the test gun, and it will make some difference, but it's better than nothing so you use that figure. Finally, in the app you configure a 1 mph wind exactly perpendicular to the bullet's flight, or a 1 mph full value wind, and calculate the trajectory. What you get is this:

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Ballistic AE is an extremely powerful ballistic computer, and a complete discussion of its features is beyond the scope of this thread. Suffice it to say there is a lot this thing will do and if you are at all serious about shooting at longer distances then you should get a copy of it. It allows for countless atmospheric, rifle and ammunition variables, and the more inputs it has, the greater the degree of accuracy the output will be. In this example, I have left all of the atmospheric data set to "standard" and entered the minimum data for a firing solution out to 500 yards in 100-yard increments.

You look at the range conditions and guess the wind is blowing about 5 mph from the left, and you know the next target is at 300 yards. You have the basic information you need to take a shot in these conditions. Find the 300 yd line in the bullet trajectory data and note the bullet drop in col 2 is 4.27 MOA, and the effect of a full value wind (perpendicular the line of flight) at 1 mph in col 4 is .05 MOA. You dial up, 4.25 MOA, and dial left wind of .25 MOA (.05 MOA x 5 mph), and take the shot.

Bingo! Hit! Hawt Babe is impressed!

With some basic information about the rifle and ammunition you have been able to convert what you know into a firing solution. In those same conditions, a shot at 500 yards would be about 10.0 MOA elevation (and hold a little low), and .5 MOA left wind.

The super hawt range babe swoons and asks you to marry her and you live happily ever after.

The End.

Well, not really The End. Please, for the sake of all that is holy, please record the range data in a little notebook you keep with the rifle. It can be as simple as "300 yds 4.25 / .05" or can be more complex to include location, weather data, your deepest thoughts and feelings... whatever you like. At a minimum though, you need the 4.25 MOA elevation and .05 MOA for 1 mph wind info. For general plinking and funsies, just print a copy of the range card and laminate it. You will find there are going to be differences with the computed data and your actual observations based on differences in atmospheric conditions, muzzle velocities and other variables, but it should get you close enough for Moron-level work. Next steps would to be to measure actual velocities with a chronograph and atmospheric conditions such as density altitude with a Kestrel Weather Meter or similar product.

Again, the better the input the more accurate the output. As you engage more distant targets, the margin for error becomes vanishingly small, and you need to be more precise in your measurements and setup behind the gun. Hope this helps, and as always, if you have questions just drop me a note!

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Sock Monkey is Down!
Next up, our pal Sock Monkey has banged up his trigger finger and it's affecting his shooting. Oh the humanity!

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Looking for suggestions from the pros.

I am not sure if you can tell from this picture. The finger in the lower left is my trigger finger. If you can notice it is slightly wider and has a slight downward bend. This is the result of smashing two of my fingers with my log splitter last November. Initially there was some loss of tactile sensitivity. That seems to have improved. Warmer temps or nerve damage repairing itself. It has noticeably affected my shot groupings to the point of frustration. My primary is a Glock 19 but the grouping issue is noticeable to some degree on everything I shoot. The frustration is the inconsistency. I don't seem to have an identifiable pattern. High low left right and combinations that vary all over the place. Any thoughts? Drills? My wife has already stated the obvious regarding being more careful with the log splitter so we can skip that one.

Yikes, bro! I am at a total loss on this one. I know we have some smart doctor types who read the thread, hopefully one of them will chime in! Has anyone out there had a similar injury, and what did you do for it?

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Colt 1911 vs the Nambu Type 14

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Here's a great look at the Colt 1911 vs the Nambu Type 14 from our pal A.H. Lloyd. Who says the war is over?!

One of the great lessons is life is this: if you don't have a pickup truck of your own, find friends who do.

Similarly, you don't really need to have a vast gun collection so long as you have friends who do.

Today I will prove this point by comparing two completely dissimilar pistols: the Colt 1911 (actually an Argentinian Ballester-Molina, but close enough) and a Nambu Type 14.

Strange though it may seem, these two weapons are close contemporaries. The Nambu was made in January of 1943 and the Ballester-Molina 1911 dates from the late 1940s.

Looking at them side by side, it is clear that the 1911 is a military arm. It is rugged, durable, easy to disassemble and maintain. Even the shape of it exudes a sense of power. The design was so robust that it became a world-wide standard that is still being used today.

The Nambu is an artisan weapon. The Japanese serialized everything. Even the tiniest parts have three digits stamped on them - including the mag release and firing pin! This is not something you do if you expect to swap out parts regularly. Everything about it is over-engineered and the milling required to shape it is ludicrous. As for disassembly, it's also needlessly complex. There are videos on YouTube if you want to see it, but suffice to say that there really isn't a "field strip" option - whether you want it or not, you're getting full disassembly.

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And yes, I'll say it: a Mauser C96 is less complex to take apart than this metal Japanese jigsaw puzzle. For one thing, on the C96 you can swap out the firing pin with a screwdriver and leave the rest of the weapon intact. Can't do that on a Nambu, which is a serious flaw we'll discuss later.

That gets us to another key difference: use in action. For the size of the weapon, the Nambu gives you very little in return. From left to right we have .45 ACP, 8x22mm Nambu and 7..63mm Mauser/7.62mm Tokarev (the cartridges are externally identical, but the Tokarev rounds have more powder). As you can see, the 8x22mm cartridge looks like a 7x63mm Mauser but has only half of the horsepower.

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Do the books have pictures?

Astute observers will note that I chose to use snap caps and dummy rounds to highlight how important and useful it is to have these, particularly with vintage weapons.

I don't think I need to sing the praises of the 1911 in .45 ACP, so I'll just note that if it comes down to a gunfight, everyone with a brain would choose it over the Nambu. Yes, the Nambu magazine has an additional cartridge, but .45 ACP has (depending on the loading) 50-100% more energy. I'm generally supportive of mouse guns but defending yourself from a mugger is a bit different that full-on combat ops.

Since we've got them open, there are a couple of interesting observations about these particular weapons. The finish on the Nambu is less than ideal, but that's to be expected. Internally, however, it is in great shape with a nice clean bore and shiny parts throughout. The firing pin is a replacement, which is to be expected because among the design's many flaws was a fragile firing pin. This was a known issue and issue holsters have a slot for a spare.

Let's pause to contemplate that for a moment. You're blasting away with your pistol and there's a click but no boom. Because the Nambu uses a striker, the only way to cycle it is to pull the cocking piece. So you do that, ejecting a round in the process. You try again and get nothing. At this point, you realize the pin may have broken, but the only way to check is examine the rounds you just ejected to see if there was strike on the primer. This is not a function you want to perform at pistol range. Maybe that's why they also issued their officers swords.

One reason this particular specimen is in such good shape is that its previous owner packed it with preservative. The current owner remarked that he got a deal on it because the bore looked pretty bad on initial inspection. Once he brought it home to clean it, he realized that it was just filled with old cosmoline. Turns out, the bore is nice and shiny. Lucky bastard.

I think there is another reason this Nambu - and others like it - seem to be in better average condition than bring-back weapons from Europe. I believe it has to do with the nature of the combat. Veterans from the European Theater of Operations had a very different experience than those who fought in the Pacific War. Unlike the European veterans, those in the Pacific didn't get to experience light-hearted jaunts in London, Rome or Paris. Instead, it was one jungle hell after another. The only respite might be a visit to the overworked whores at Pearl Harbor or maybe Manila late in the war.

All of which is to say, they took souvenirs but when they got home, there may have been a reluctance to get them out and relive the experience. Yes, ammo was more of an issue than with European weapons, but I get the sense from the accounts (and residual feelings of veterans towards the Japanese), that their trophies were more likely to be packed away than taken out and talked about. I could be wrong, but that's my sense of it.

The 1911 has clearly been refinished, and while barrel and frame match, the barrel is in hideous condition. If you throw enough light into it, you can see where the rifling used to be. It winds like little curving paths through all the pitting. Clearly, I'm going to need a replacement.

Yes, here's the big reveal at the end: I've joined the 1911 club. That worn-out not-quite-1911 was all I can afford, which is why - as I said at the start - it's important to have friends with much more lavish gun collections that you.

As to why I got a 1911, that's a story for another time...

Wow! Nicely done, AHL!! Thank you very mucho!

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.380 ACP Worth a Look?
I think the .380 ACP gets something of a bad rap. Sure, carry the .50AE if you can, but if size, weight and concealment are factors, consider whether the .380 has a place in your canoe. They can be a little snappy which surprises some people, but you don't find a lot of people volunteering to act as a target for one, either. Here's a video on the cartridge using ballistic gel.

What do you think? Good option or bad option? How might you work the .380 into your carry routine?

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Gun Basics 101
Once again, the She Equips Herself gal feels compelled to remind us she has a husband, and also mentions various carry styles.

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Cigar of the Week
Our pal and Gun Thread Chief Cigar Correspondent rhomboid brings it with another excellent cigar review.

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Avo Syncro Nicaragua, toro. Avo Uvezian is a musician who turned to composing cigar blends. This is his first significant use of Nicaraguan tobacco, including the spicy leaves grown in the volcanic soils of Isla Ometepe. Avo has a signature flavor profile to most of his stuff, what I'd call a mellow, full flavor, often with a hint of sweetness. This cigar follows that path, using not just Nicaraguan but also leaf from the Dominican Republic, Peru, and Ecuador. Box-pressed - meaning roughly rectangular instead of round, so a "v-cut" works well on this one. About $8 and up online.

Thanks rhomboid!

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Cigar Vixen is taking a break this week. Instead, here is a video with a guy discussing selecting a cigar.

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Link-O-Rama

I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
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SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal JT

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Hiya! Hiya! Hiya!!!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 Fire away

Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2022 07:00 PM (2JoB8)

2 Gubs!

Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 07:02 PM (nByzo)

3 I bought a Glock 42 about 6 weeks ago and haven't even shot it yet. Real life intervened. Hopefully when everything settles down I'll be able to shoot it and a couple of other guns I plan to buy that I had no intention to until they passed the red flag law.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 26, 2022 07:04 PM (b9Rih)

4 Ah guns, the .380ACP is plenty of power.

Wild Bill Hickock retired people with roughly the same force.

I am in a bit of a conundrum, I traded off wife's SASS gear save one pistol in .45LC and got rid of her awesome but finicky Taurus Thunderbolt (fine weapon of great accuracy but it refused to feed some 45 ammo).

Now I am deciding between a Spencer Carbine, a lever gun, or a Circuit Judge.

Advice or experience welcome.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:06 PM (Lzpvj)

5 Hiya

Posted by: JT at June 26, 2022 07:07 PM (arJlL)

6 3 Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 26, 2022 07:04 PM (b9Rih)

Glock is glock, you'll like it plenty if you like them.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:07 PM (Lzpvj)

7 off topic, email from Hanoi Jane (from some Dem group):

I'm enraged about the Supreme Court. I'm sure you are too.

But the worst part about this is Roe v. Wade is only the beginning. Republicans are gearing up to take on access to contraception, same-sex relationships, and even marriage equality. It’s unconscionable.

[coming next! only born again Christians will be allowed to vote!]

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 26, 2022 07:08 PM (Ynyl9)

8 Hiya! Hiya! Hiya!!!

LOL !!!

Hiya Weasel !

Posted by: JT at June 26, 2022 07:08 PM (arJlL)

9 Hiya, Weasel!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 07:08 PM (a3Q+t)

10 Weasel, your rifle stuff reminds me of algebra class in high school.

Not happy memories.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:08 PM (llXky)

11 on the .380 ACP front, there is an open topped 1862 made by Uberti chambered in 5 shots of .380 goodness mimicking the Richards conversion.

The 5" barrel is onerous but can be remedied by a gunsmith if inclined.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:08 PM (Lzpvj)

12 Hello, Weasel and horde!

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 07:09 PM (/lmRp)

13 Danger Will Robinson!

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:09 PM (bVYXr)

14 7 Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 26, 2022 07:08 PM (Ynyl9)

Given the SATAN! scare of the 1980s it was perhaps inevitable that one day we Xians would be subjected to the same insanity by the totally not Satanist donks.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:09 PM (Lzpvj)

15 I'm so glad that GOD Willed John Moses Browning be born in America.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 07:09 PM (0OP+5)

16 For the shooter with the banged up finger. I'd suggest checking your grip. Are you over gripping? Your grip on trigger hand should be firm like a hand shake when first meeting another man. Your support hand can grip as tight as you want. Over pressure on the middle and ring finger of your trigger side should be avoided as it effects the "pull" angle of the trigger finger.

Posted by: TeeRoy Jenkins at June 26, 2022 07:10 PM (jyknH)

17 I read the content. Big American Pistol in God's Own Calber or a Namby Pamby. Hmmm. Hard to choose.

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?
Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM


Funny you should ask! Just got back. Sunday's bi-weekly DMV MGC went to the range. Where they are currently had an ammo-palooza. Shot about 180 rounds, bought about 300. On net, that's more!

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 07:10 PM (6TxNR)

18 Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:06 PM (Lzpvj)

Ruger just relatively recently reintroduced their Marlin lever action 1895 . Beautiful gun. It's 45-70.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 26, 2022 07:10 PM (b9Rih)

19 Made it!

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:11 PM (Dcmpp)

20 15 Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 07:09 PM (0OP+5)

Browning's ma and pa were probably less freaky than Romney's grandfolks elseways he'd have been Mexican.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:11 PM (Lzpvj)

21 Ah guns, the .380ACP is plenty of power.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:06 PM (Lzpvj)
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A Browning 1910 in .380 literally started WW I.

Plenty of power, indeed.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:11 PM (llXky)

22 Hello Gun Threaders. Weasel thank you for another excellent and content filled thread.

I am looking for a shooting mat for prone firing, and I recall that the great and powerful Weasel had a nifty one. I cannot recall the manufacturer and model, or where said Weasel came by same.

Can you help me?

Posted by: Pete Bog at June 26, 2022 07:11 PM (Jzz++)

23 I wonder how the Sup Ct ruling on NY's gun law will affect the fact that in NYC the cops can still turn you down for a permit to just own a gun. (Maybe I'm mistaken, someone tell me if I'm wrong)

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 26, 2022 07:12 PM (Ynyl9)

24 18 Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 26, 2022 07:10 PM (b9Rih)

While a fan of the .45-70 I am looking for .45LC to go with her remaining peacemaker.

I still have my 1851 conversions in .38SP so I may eventually want a rifle in .357/38.

I love the Spencer and Henry (1860) unfortunately Winchester only released their beautiful Henry commemorative in 44-40.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:13 PM (Lzpvj)

25 And, Weasel, next week will not only be "First Week in July" edition, it will be "Day Before Independence Day" edition!

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:13 PM (Dcmpp)

26 off topic, email from Hanoi Jane (from some Dem group):

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 26, 2022 07:08 PM (Ynyl9)
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When I hear the shrill voice of the Fonda woman, I release the safety catch on my Browning.

Posted by: Paraphrasing some German dude at June 26, 2022 07:13 PM (llXky)

27 21 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:11 PM (llXky)

The Pre-PK

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:14 PM (Lzpvj)

28 I am trying to wrap my head around the effect of last Thursday's ruling of SCOTUS as to how it effects the state of CA.
Does NY and CA now become "shall issue" states?
I'm not sure I want to be the test case...
I see plenty of people carrying, I have become adept of pointing out which ones are "printing".

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2022 07:14 PM (jTmQV)

29 re 26: you need to be banned for violating Twitter's rules of something.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 26, 2022 07:14 PM (Ynyl9)

30 Came up on hobby thread that I saw but didn't watch on YouTube how to make percussion caps for a black powder pistol. Well seen them now, many others to see too
Part 1
https://youtu.be/b73xqYTBrIo
Part 2
https://youtu.be/u_NOOu5XcTo

Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2022 07:15 PM (2JoB8)

31 28 Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2022 07:14 PM (jTmQV)

The democrats have made it quite plain that they will slow walk feigned "compliance" challenging the court and relying on a different make-up on "appeal."

IOW the Blue "heavens" will knowingly violate Federal law.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:16 PM (Lzpvj)

32 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:16 PM (xcxpd)

33 So Sun-day Gun-day. Today sra blaster and I took our his-n-hers Extar EP9s. Pew pew pew. Such an easy gun to shoot.

Ed L. of course brought an SP-5, this time of the K variety. More pew pew with a yippie-ki-yay. Slap that charging handle will ya!

Theodore brought his DD AR 15. It shoots good and looks good.

sharon(willow's apprentice) and Hrothgar brought their new(ish) Glocks, a 48 and 19X respectively. Mostly a day for fun shooting!

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 07:16 PM (6TxNR)

34 Posted by: Pete Bog at June 26, 2022 07:11 PM (Jzz++)
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I've made a mental note to find it and put it into next weeks GT, but may need a reminder. I have tried lots of different shooting mats and like the one you saw the best.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:16 PM (0IeYL)

35 30 Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2022 07:15 PM (2JoB

rather useful little skill, see also "sven wants to learn how to make genuine nitrate paper cartridges for the classic BP firearms."

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:17 PM (Lzpvj)

36 The California AG already said that it will now allow cc without requiring a reason.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:17 PM (Y+l9t)

37 The Pre-PK

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:14 PM (Lzpvj)
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The model 1910 actually has a lot going for it, even in a modern context. It somewhat pre-figures today's preference for 'auto-release' safeties rather than ones that have to be deliberately operated.

You've got a slick, no-snag weapon that is single-action only and hammer fired, but the hammer is hidden and it's only safety is in the grip.

It's an amazing pocket pistol.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:17 PM (llXky)

38 the gub

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 26, 2022 07:17 PM (Xrfse)

39 I am trying to wrap my head around the effect of last Thursday's ruling of SCOTUS as to how it effects the state of CA....

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2022 07:14 PM (jTmQV)


I saw that the AG or Sec of State or whoever it is in charge of permits in CA said they dropped the requirement to have a reason for the permit.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 07:17 PM (6TxNR)

40 re 28: sorry, no standing.

by the way, if no one mentioned this already, Twitchy has video of Pelosi apparently given what's her name Flores' (the lovely RepubMex-Am Congress lady from Texas) little daughter a bit of a shove for being too close to her Nan-majesty. But at least she didn't sniff the girl's hair.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 26, 2022 07:18 PM (Ynyl9)

41 Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 07:10 PM (6TxNR)

And fun was had by all in attendance!

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 07:18 PM (/lmRp)

42 If we do get a DIVORCE is very possible that you will once again be able to buy a fully automatic weapon. Probably one of the reasons the Left will never agree to a DIVORCE.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 26, 2022 07:18 PM (b9Rih)

43 I am trying to wrap my head around the effect of last Thursday's ruling of SCOTUS as to how it effects the state of CA.
Does NY and CA now become "shall issue" states?
I'm not sure I want to be the test case...
I see plenty of people carrying, I have become adept of pointing out which ones are "printing".

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2022 07:14 PM


Pretty sure the ruling means that every State/DC has to become a shall issue State but they will fight it tooth and nail and it will be tied up in the court system for another 20 years or more.


SCOTUS ruled that you do not need a reason to carry a handgun outside of your house and you can't be denied a permit because of it. NY, NJ, MA, CA, IL and RI hardest hit.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:19 PM (bVYXr)

44 37 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:17 PM (llXky)

Colt's journey to modern idiocy was in full display when they decided "nah, nah bro" on the 1910.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:19 PM (Lzpvj)

45 I use a Galco FLETCH* to carry (small of the back), but it sucks if you are driving.

*Federal Law Enforcement Carry Holster.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2022 07:19 PM (jTmQV)

46 Hiya, hiya, hiya JT!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:19 PM (0IeYL)

47 Had a strange woman walk into our church this morning to panhandle. Got her turned around before Sunday School started.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 07:19 PM (0OP+5)

48 I'll try that cigar! These days I'm enjoying "The Judge" from My Father cigars.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at June 26, 2022 07:20 PM (CWMF2)

49 My friend has the Browning 1910. Only one magazine. Has the box it came in too.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 26, 2022 07:20 PM (b9Rih)

50 Howdy Weasel! Had a good trip to the range today, after a few more weeks of the penny drill, practicing with snap caps, and the breathing techniques you shared with me. My groupings were 6-8" at 10 yds, and 4" or less at 7 & 5 yds using my 9mm MR920. Not perfect, but definitely going the right direction!

Also, I finally decided to get my pistol a playmate. I bought an IWI Jericho in 45 ACP yesterday. Very excited for it to ship to my local FFL in the next week or two, and highly anxious to begin work with the Lord's caliber....

Thanks as always for another great Gub thread!

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at June 26, 2022 07:20 PM (kb51C)

51 I like the Walther P22. The one I have came with a threaded barrel for a suppressor, and the combination is a lot of fun...a giant air gun with subsonic ammo, but even hotter ammo works fine. If you haven't tried CCI polymer coated ammo, it is very clean.

My Walter slide broke...a not uncommon problem with older Walthers. If you live in the USA, lifetime warranty so you can send in the old slide and get a new one.

Posted by: Dantes at June 26, 2022 07:21 PM (F0XIK)

52 21 The 1910 Browning used by Princip and the other 3 in the hands of the conspirators were MIA for some years. I had them on my white whale list for gun show finds, the serial numbers being available. They had been in a museum in Salzburg, and vanished during occupation post WW2. People just figured spoils of war. Ended up a local monastery had all four pistols, the brothers locking them up for safekeeping and they were eventually forgotten.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 26, 2022 07:21 PM (lz5hY)

53 47 Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 07:19 PM (0OP+5)

The zanies are on the march.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:21 PM (Lzpvj)

54 Hi Whig, I don't know if any of these manuals about the Ross rifle interest you but there are several legally-scanned PDFs here:
https://tinyurl.com/28dxc8v6

I don't know if the two 1905 military stocks [1-star and 3-star] made by that guy would work for your potential restoration project [and I don't know anything about his business to recommend it or not], but keep me in mind if you'd like to sell it when you're done if it fires safely and won't just be a wall-hanger.

I saw my nephew on Thursday and I passed on your and Frank's info on the SMLE then. He was interested in the bayonet/end cap info that he will ask the restorer about. [Apparently, there are two guys in Western Canada he's looking at.] Thanks again.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 07:21 PM (yikp0)

55 Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at June 26, 2022 07:20 PM (kb51C)
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EXCELLENT, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:21 PM (0IeYL)

56 On topic, before I do range reports:
I'm a big fan of the .22lr. My favorite pistol is the CZ Kadet adapter for the P07. This lets me use the frame of my existing MVP Carry pistol but use .22 ammo. Helps with all kinds of drills, but of course .22 does not have the muzzle blast and recoil of 9mm. Second favorite, mostly for form factor, is my G44, now that the magazine issues have worked themselves out, it's good with everything but cheap Thunderbolt ammo. It hates Thunderbolts.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:22 PM (xcxpd)

57 The California AG already said that it will now allow cc without requiring a reason.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:17 PM


He said they have to "reassess" California statues on CC permits after the SCOTUS ruling. I have not read anything where he said they would not abide by the SCOTUS ruling. I did read that he is drafting legislation to expand places where concealed carry would be prohibited though.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:22 PM (bVYXr)

58 As to .380, it's the bottom of what I consider a good defensive cartridge. For penetration reasons, I use ball ammo or if I'm super fancy, Underwood's Extreme Defender ammo.

That said, I do indeed carry a .380 on occasion. Typically a G42 but sometimes a Kel Tec P3AT, which is once again available from Kel Tec after being discontinued for baffling reasons.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:23 PM (xcxpd)

59 My reservations on the circuit judge rest on the reports of lamentable accuracy of it past 25 yards.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:23 PM (Lzpvj)

60 I was able to put over 100 rounds through the new G48 (with Hrothgar's help)and the slide loosened up nicely. My shooting was kind of mediocre but I know what I was doing wrong and when I focused on it, I hit the target.
it is nice to have friends with other guns. I am never bored.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:24 PM (Y+l9t)

61 As for range time, yes, I did get some range time in today. Best weather for several days, so I took an unlikely pair out to a Secure Undisclosed Location.

First up, HK P2000 in .40. Why in .40, you ask? Because a few years back, .40 dramatically fell from favor and it was the cheapest way for me to get an HK, which I really, really wanted.

So, you know, polymer and stuff and it's fun. Recoil is crisp, but I don't mind. But that was just the appetizer.

The main course was an Astra 300 in .380! Wonderful little thing, somewhat similar to the Model 1910, honestly. It's totally tubular (literally) and that makes the front sights surprisingly visible.

This is yet another vintage pistol that shoots best with only one hand and points naturally. Much fun.

Alas, both weapons are now on a lake bottom after my jet-ski flipped on the way home.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:24 PM (llXky)

62 I'm looking for a nice scoped, bolt action .308 Winchester, but no rush. My semi-auto .308 Win with iron sights is acceptable at 100 yards for many purposes.

I'd like to have a medium-range, medium-sized, sporting game rifle to fill in the gap.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 26, 2022 07:24 PM (0ocXn)

63 57 Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:22 PM (bVYXr)

Which is problematic all on its own given this ruling was a tacit acknowledgement of the actual purpose of the 2d amendment.

One is allowed to preserve one's safety.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (Lzpvj)

64 Very subtle product placement, AH Loyd! Very nice.
(Also, nice tutorial an the weapons.)

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (Dcmpp)

65 62 Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 26, 2022 07:24 PM (0ocXn)

Wife and I are rather happy with her Mossy MVP Predator in .308.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (Lzpvj)

66 As to .380, it's the bottom of what I consider a good defensive cartridge. For penetration reasons, I use ball ammo or if I'm super fancy, Underwood's Extreme Defender ammo.

That said, I do indeed carry a .380 on occasion. Typically a G42 but sometimes a Kel Tec P3AT, which is once again available from Kel Tec after being discontinued for baffling reasons.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:23 PM


Sig now makes a P365 in .380. 12 rounds of .380 goodness in a very compact gun if you have problems with 9mm recoil. I have one and it is a peach. I have carried it a time or two.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (bVYXr)

67 You all really need to stop disappointing Weasel. You see all that math there? Do you also see the correlation? Heed my words, peeps.

Posted by: bluebell at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (aeePL)

68 I was told there would be no math.

And I have a very sturdy rear bag, especially after 2 years of lockdown crap.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (yikp0)

69 28 I am trying to wrap my head around the effect of last Thursday's ruling of SCOTUS as to how it effects the state of CA.
Does NY and CA now become "shall issue" states?
I'm not sure I want to be the test case...
I see plenty of people carrying, I have become adept of pointing out which ones are "printing".

Posted by: gourmand du jour
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You still have to have a California carry permit for outside the home and comply with other onerous regulations as to where and when you can carry. But, if you apply for a carry permit, the police are no longer able to ask you why you want to carry and judge whether you get a permit based on their own discretion. They have to issue you a permit if you fulfill all the other requirements.

This is not a constitutional carry decision but merely that states do not have the discretion whether or not to issue you a permit (kind of like drivers licenses now) if you fulfill all mandatory requirements.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (xA2KX)

70 "One is allowed to preserve one's safety."
That's been my attitude my whole life.
However, if you ever, God forbid, have to fire in anger, you will be in a world of sheet.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2022 07:26 PM (jTmQV)

71 60 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:24 PM (Y+l9t)

I plan to make the TX MoMee when it is not in conflict with my contracting job.

I am far from a natural pistol shot, I do rather well with rifle and shotgun.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:26 PM (Lzpvj)

72 Colt's journey to modern idiocy was in full display when they decided "nah, nah bro" on the 1910.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:19 PM (Lzpvj)
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They already had the 1903/08, which is pretty darn close. Same calibers and everything. Honestly, I think the 1903 feels better in the hand.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:27 PM (llXky)

73 Mister Scott, add MD to that list.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:27 PM (Y+l9t)

74 70 Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2022 07:26 PM (jTmQV)

The democrats take care of their client class come hell or high water.

I would give almost anything for the GOP "all-stars" to give us a 1/5th the customer service the crooks and satanists get from the donk.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:28 PM (Lzpvj)

75 Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:19 PM (Lzpvj)

That's not quite fair. The Model 1910 was designed for and patented by FN in Belgium. Colt had the Model 1908, which the Model 1910 is derived from. Because of the way FN and Colt split up the world when it came to selling JMB designed pistols, the Model 1910 was not offered for sale in the US.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 07:28 PM (/lmRp)

76 59 All the Judge type (or the SW Governor) revolvers are designed for close in using something specialized 410 ammo or 45 Long Colt. Like most compromises, it is a kludge and will not be the most accurate in order to fire two different types of ammo.

It is not a weapon to use for accuracy much beyond 5-10 yards.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 07:28 PM (xA2KX)

77 Now...on to my yammering. Feel free to skip range report:

I had extra time off, so went to the range twice. This doubles my round count on the Taurus G3C TORO and the PSA Dagger.

The Dagger is a winner. I'm taking it to IDPA and seeing how it performs. With the cheap Vortex (I prefer Holosun) on it, it does a good job of getting on and staying on target. For some reason, I seem to shoot it a little better than Bubba Fly, my G17. That might be because the Romeo One optic is not as good as the Holosun or Vortex. But I digress. No malfunctions, accuracy good, iron sights co-witness with the dot.

The G3C TORO groups very well, very tight groups indeed with irons. (No optic...yet) It is a bit snappy and the grip and trigger remain rough. It's not going to be a pleasure shooter, but like the M&P Compact 1.0...it's functional and small without being tiny. I have noticed some feed hiccups. We'll keep an eye on that, only really had failures with the TulaMAXX 125gr ammo, and even those resolved with a smack to the gun, but any hesitation feeding is a red flag.

I'm doing dot torture drills. Man, those are hard. 50 targets, 22 bucks at Amazon.

Good days at the range...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:28 PM (xcxpd)

78 I've never had a CCW in CA.
For starters, it's been darn near impossible to get one. That may change now.
OK, laters, off to the kitchen.
Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 26, 2022 07:29 PM (jTmQV)

79 Evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and thanks as always Weasel for the quality content.

Sock Monkey, first of all, ouch. I did a very similar dumb thing to my trigger finger with a sledgehammer while driving fenceposts. A grip strength trainer and time have made the situation better, plus the fact that I couldn't shoot for shit pre-injury (so I have no prior baseline against which to make a comparison).

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 26, 2022 07:29 PM (v23vE)

80 72 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:27 PM (llXky)

I gibed about the "Pre-PK" but that said the model 1922 was very evidently the Pre-HP 35 in ergonomics, I was impressed with Browning's twilight designs.

The man was inarguably the genius gunsmith of the transition era.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:29 PM (Lzpvj)

81 Very subtle product placement, AH Loyd! Very nice.
(Also, nice tutorial an the weapons.)

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (Dcmpp)
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I'm glad someone noticed.

The Nambu really is a work of art. Feels good in the hand, just beautiful to look at and the worksmanship is profound.

Not a serious implement of battle, though. I'd absolutely prefer an Astra 300 to one.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:29 PM (llXky)

82 Weasel... I have a Ruger SR22 which is very similar to your Walther. Shortly after buying it... with a threaded barrel, I ordered a suppressor for it. Nice for plinking around the house without waking up the Mrs.

Or the neighbors.

Or calling attention to LE

Or....

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 26, 2022 07:30 PM (BFigT)

83 I bought a ballistic advantage upper builder kit and a complete aero lower. Ar-10. Heavy 20" barrel.

Unfortunately, I'd heard it costs $25 to get an armorer to build an upper. Looks like it's closer to $150.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 07:30 PM (i0wNm)

84 76 Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 07:28 PM (xA2KX)

The most likely use of it practically would be as a snake charmer near one of my friend's cattle stock.

I'd really like to have it have minute of head accuracy to 15 steps.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM (Lzpvj)

85 Great thread, as usual, Weasel!

By the way, the story goes, no idea if it's true, but, when the Army was looking at replacing their sidearm back around, oh, 1911, heh, Savage Arms also put forth a competitor.

After trial runs, the next phase was taking both pistols completely apart. The narrative goes, JMB (PBUH), had the 1911 apart before the Savage tech had really started to warm up. The 1911, as originally designed, with the slotted screws in the grips, was set up that way, because the slotted screws could be removed with a spent 45 acp cartridge.

Again, no idea as to how accurate the story is, but, hey, much like a fishing tale, it's hard to beat a decent firearm story.

Posted by: Annie Potts at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM (5pTK/)

86 Sig now makes a P365 in .380. 12 rounds of .380 goodness in a very compact gun if you have problems with 9mm recoil. I have one and it is a peach. I have carried it a time or two.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (bVYXr)

I am now curious. Of course, can't sell it in WA...for now, thanks to Democrat mag capacity laws, but I will keep my eyes open for it. I would think the P365 would be a great size for .380.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM (xcxpd)

87 I bought a CZ Scorpion Evo pistol in 9mm. It has more in common with a carbine than most pistols.

Pistols are the only thing I can think of where your two hands are on top of each other for lack of surface to grab. No weapon, no tool, no musical instrument does this. So I'm trying it. Someone here mentioned a chassis that turns a Sig P320 from a pistol to a "PDW", and that looked cool. This is like that, but cheaper and fewer steps.

My posture aiming is left foot in front of right. This is more true the heavier it is, and I am all the way there with this one. I have not fired it yet, still have the case and mags coming in.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM (ybIRR)

88 Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 07:28 PM (/lmRp)

That's what I get for assuming . My friend has whatever .380 Browning design that was available in the US. I'm texting him now to get details so I at least provide accurate info.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM (b9Rih)

89 the cops can still turn you down for a permit to just own a gun.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at June 26, 2022 07:12 PM (Ynyl9)

Pretty sure that one is in violation of Heller. But "in violation of" a SCOTUS decision doesn't seem to mean much.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM (Dcmpp)

90 Sven, I love shooting rifles. It just feels right. Don't have to think about anything but hitting the target. With the handgun, I have to think about my grip, recoil, holding the gun steady etc.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM (Y+l9t)

91 CZ-83 in .380 is most naturally pointing pistol I have. Love it. So much, when to my surprise I saw a new one at a gub store (out of production for a few years at that time) I bought it. I don’t carry, except when RO’ing at the range, but the 83 is the one I use for that aside from the Magnum Carry.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 07:32 PM (OTzUX)

92 Ah, I see A.H. Lloyd has done a nice job of product placement.

Posted by: Annie Potts at June 26, 2022 07:32 PM (5pTK/)

93 83 I bought a ballistic advantage upper builder kit and a complete aero lower. Ar-10. Heavy 20" barrel.

Unfortunately, I'd heard it costs $25 to get an armorer to build an upper. Looks like it's closer to $150.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 07:30 PM (i0wNm)

You might be able to shop around. Half Cocked Gun Repair up by Snohomish was quoting around $50 for that sort of work. That was pre-pandemic, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:32 PM (xcxpd)

94 75 Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 07:28 PM (/lmRp)

divorces are almost always messy, ironically the M1910 was selling here in the 50s when the model 08 was gone.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:33 PM (Lzpvj)

95 Posted by: Annie Potts at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM (5pTK/)
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Howdy and welcome, Annie Potts!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:33 PM (0IeYL)

96 When I hear the shrill voice of the Fonda woman, I release the safety catch on my Browning.
Posted by: Paraphrasing some German dude at June 26, 2022 07:13 PM (llXky)

Funny, I feel my thumb reaching for a certain button on the flight control stick....

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:33 PM (Dcmpp)

97 Sock Monkey,
May I humbly suggest smacking the finger on the opposite side to straighten it out?

Then take a couple popsicle sticks and duct tape it straight to heal up!

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 07:33 PM (U2p+3)

98 54 I saw my nephew on Thursday and I passed on your and Frank's info on the SMLE then. He was interested in the bayonet/end cap info that he will ask the restorer about. [Apparently, there are two guys in Western Canada he's looking at.] Thanks again.

Posted by: andycanuck
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Thx Andycanuck, I may or may not have downloaded these Ross rifle manuals but thanks to your link, I did so again. I've seen a person or two pop up doing restoration Ross rifle stocks over the years but it has always been when I have the budget, they have quit or disappeared. When I don't--they pop up again. You'll be the first to get it if I sell it. I want to make sure that I have a safe fireable rifle first and may require some headspace adjustment to the spare long original barrel.

Apex Gun Parts and Century International in the US have Lithgow SMLE parts but not sure if they ship over the border.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 07:34 PM (xA2KX)

99 92 Ah, I see A.H. Lloyd has done a nice job of product placement.
Posted by: Annie Potts at June 26, 2022 07:32 PM (5pTK/)
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But he hasn't told us if they have pictures.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:34 PM (0IeYL)

100 First CZ-83 was a Euro police surplus from AIM Surplus. New one was one of last remaining examples of a limited run CZ did for an American distributor, those were the last made of that model. New one is only gun I cleaned up, function checked, and put away without shooting it.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 07:35 PM (OTzUX)

101 62 I'm looking for a nice scoped, bolt action .308 Winchester, but no rush. My semi-auto .308 Win with iron sights is acceptable at 100 yards for many purposes.

I'd like to have a medium-range, medium-sized, sporting game rifle to fill in the gap.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 26, 2022 07:24 PM (0ocXn)

Cheapest 'good' options reportedly are the Ruger American and the Savage Axis (I own the latter in 30 06). But I'm far from the expert there.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:35 PM (xcxpd)

102 Sig now makes a P365 in .380. 12 rounds of .380 goodness in a very compact gun if you have problems with 9mm recoil. I have one and it is a peach. I have carried it a time or two.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (bVYXr)

I am now curious. Of course, can't sell it in WA...for now, thanks to Democrat mag capacity laws, but I will keep my eyes open for it. I would think the P365 would be a great size for .380.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM


Last time I checked, they did sell a california compliant one with two 10 round magazines. Not sure if they still do but it's worth checking out.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:35 PM (bVYXr)

103 Definitely wasn't expecting the robot at the top of the thread. Is Pixy running the show?!

Posted by: Draki at June 26, 2022 07:35 PM (UYViq)

104 Posted by: bluebell at June 26, 2022 07:25 PM (aeePL)
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Howdy!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:36 PM (0IeYL)

105 84 76 Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 07:28 PM (xA2KX)

The most likely use of it practically would be as a snake charmer near one of my friend's cattle stock.

I'd really like to have it have minute of head accuracy to 15 steps.

Posted by: sven
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Better off simply using 45 LC Shot Shells. CCI makes them--150 grains of #9 shot.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 07:36 PM (xA2KX)

106 Sock monkey, and I'm not saying this to denigrate your Glock, but, perhaps try a 1911? Completely different trigger pull.

I admit this is just a WAG there may be an ergonomic factor, due to the trigger finger being banged up.

Posted by: Annie Potts at June 26, 2022 07:36 PM (5pTK/)

107 Speaking of Lost in Space, June Lockhart celebrated her 97th birthday yesterday.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at June 26, 2022 07:36 PM (ZSK0i)

108 85 There were a lot of pistols in competition with Browning designs in the early 20th century. Remington, Savage, H&R, Smith and Wesson's little .35 or .32 acp with the weirdest safety ever. All of these had features not brought by great moments in engineering but getting around JMB patents. Browning had the best patent attorneys in the universe. The big Savage trotted out for the Army competition was over complicated for that reason.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 26, 2022 07:37 PM (lz5hY)

109 Cheapest 'good' options reportedly are the Ruger American and the Savage Axis (I own the latter in 30 06). But I'm far from the expert there.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:35 PM (xcxpd)

I have the Savage Axis in .308. Still need to buy a proper scope.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 26, 2022 07:37 PM (b9Rih)

110 I believe the SC ruling specifically says it applies to 7 states only and not to the other 43.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:38 PM (Y+l9t)

111 But he hasn't told us if they have pictures.
Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:34 PM (0IeYL)
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*grabs copy of "Long Live Death!"*

Do maps count?

Posted by: Annie Potts at June 26, 2022 07:38 PM (5pTK/)

112 But he hasn't told us if they have pictures.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:34 PM (0IeYL)
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Those ones do not. However, Long Live Death: The Keys to Victory in the Spanish Civil War does have illustrations.

My highly-talented middle daughter created tank and aircraft silhouettes for some of the hardware that saw service in Spain. There's a brief equipment guide in the back so people can get an idea of what a Polycarpov I-15 or Heinkel HE-112 (not 111! it's a fighter) looked like.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:39 PM (llXky)

113 111 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:38 PM (Y+l9t)

America's paper of record has properly caught the pulse of the mule.

Essentially when they held SCotUS they always had as many bites of the apple as they needed.

Donkey has just figured out that is REALLY gone.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:39 PM (Lzpvj)

114 Sock Monkey,
May I humbly suggest smacking the finger on the opposite side to straighten it out?

Then take a couple popsicle sticks and duct tape it straight to heal up!
Posted by: nurse ratched

How about I use the log splitter again and just turn the finger sideways?

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 07:39 PM (UGxEY)

115 Pretty sure that one is in violation of Heller. But "in violation of" a SCOTUS decision doesn't seem to mean much.
Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM (Dcmpp)
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DC still doesn't issue permits and the former sheriff of San Diego County said, "No" to issuing permits, even though he lost in court.

Posted by: Annie Potts at June 26, 2022 07:40 PM (5pTK/)

116 Robbie: Arf Arf Arf

What is it, Robbie? Did Dr. Smith push little Will down a gravity well again?

Posted by: june lockhart at June 26, 2022 07:40 PM (hbi6W)

117 Is a troll socking Bitter Clinger?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:40 PM (xcxpd)

118 Also given we are past 100, I must say replaying Red Dead Redemption II is awesomesauce.

I have also been dabbling with red dead online.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:40 PM (Lzpvj)

119 Posted by: Annie Potts at June 26, 2022 07:31 PM (5pTK/)

Extract from US Army Ordinance Board Report dated March 20, 1911:
"Of the two pistols, the Board is of the opinion that the Colt's is superior, because it is more reliable, the more enduring, the more easily disassembled, when there are broken parts to be replaced, and the more accurate..."

I'd say that answers your question about the accuracy of that tale.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 07:40 PM (/lmRp)

120 I saw that the AG or Sec of State or whoever it is in charge of permits in CA said they dropped the requirement to have a reason for the permit.

Someone reported the same about NJ yesterday. I will admit to being surprised. I had expected the bluest blue states to dig in and have to be sued into compliance one by one.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (nfrXX)

121 The CH-46 is one of (if not the best) helicopters to jump out of.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (a3Q+t)

122 /slinks away from transgender sock

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (5pTK/)

123 Weasel, that .22 looks sorta like my S&W M&P 22. And Walther made it. Very nice semi-auto, has eaten every brand of ammo fed to it, only occasional stove-pipes. Highly recommend to anyone looking for a .22 in that format.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (OTzUX)

124 >>>Wife and I are rather happy with her Mossy MVP Predator in .308.

Posted by: sven

>Nice looking rig. I'll have to check it out.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (0ocXn)

125 DC still doesn't issue permits and the former sheriff of San Diego County said, "No" to issuing permits, even though he lost in court.
Posted by: Annie Potts at June 26, 2022 07:40 PM (5pTK/)

I wonder if their gun possession convictions can get overturned for that.

Posted by: Draki at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (UYViq)

126 > Still need to buy a proper scope.

I have this Burris XTR 2 1-8x24.
https://bit.ly/3Onn8FO

LPVO, clear glass, illuminated reticle. Fantastic optic.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (i0wNm)

127 I did read that he is drafting legislation to expand places where concealed carry would be prohibited though.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:22 PM (bVYXr)

Which Thomas and the others already said would be a no-go as an end-around on the subject.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (Dcmpp)

128 Oh, also, took my P95 with optic back to the range now that I remembered to use Loctite AND tighten down the screws on the optic.

Shot it a few times to make sure the red dot did not go flying.

It did not. This is a good thing.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 07:42 PM (6TxNR)

129 106 Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 07:36 PM (xA2KX)

Probably, which is part of why the circuit judge is not in my top five, I *really* like the 1866 as a work of artistic beauty but from a practicality standpoint I may wind up settling on a "modern" design like a Mossy or the neo "Henry" rifles.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:42 PM (Lzpvj)

130 sven, the Judge is gonna be more economical than the Governor. Mrs. E first had the Judge and really liked shooting it, then she heard about the
Governor. That one does .45LC, .410, and .45ACP (with moon clips). She will take it camping but most of the time it lives on her nightstand. Had a green laser put on it for her.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 07:43 PM (0OP+5)

131 Back on guns, I bought the Walther P-22 for the wife, back when I imagined she'd share this hobby with me. It's ok, a little small for my hand. I have not found it to be perfectly reliable but it's 'good enough' for range work.

I still mostly stick with the Kadet, the G44 or on occasion the SIG P250-22. I don't love the trigger on the latter but...yeah, it works. Well.

Oh and I have a Ruger MKIV but for some reason...I've just never fallen in love with it. The MK IV is a lot easier to assemble and clean, though. That's killer.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:43 PM (xcxpd)

132 it is nice to have friends with other guns.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:24 PM (Y+l9t)

You forgot the word "nearby" in there.
The DMV MGC is a great group of people.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:43 PM (Dcmpp)

133 Late. Ish.
I have a "range report".

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 07:43 PM (rdxwq)

134 124 Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (0ocXn)

Gives you an excuse for AR-10 mags.

I really really miss my swedish mausers.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:44 PM (Lzpvj)

135 divorces are almost always messy, ironically the M1910 was selling here in the 50s when the model 08 was gone.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:33 PM (Lzpvj)
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There was no divorce. Browning had so much raw talent, a single manufacturer was not enough. He bounced back and forth between them, spitting out designs as fast as they could build them.

Small-caliber automatics continued to be popular in Europe after WW II and are to this day. The US public soured on them, preferring the 1911 or a revolver.

You can argue Colt should have thought about updating the 1903 in the 70s and 80s, but they were doing the "snake guns" and not really into autoloaders that weren't 1911s.

If the new Colt wants to make waves, it should do a 1903 with more modern materials.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:44 PM (llXky)

136 Hey everyone, just dropping in to say howdy, also g'night !

Thanks for my favorite thread of the week, Weasel !
I'll read it all tomorrow !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 26, 2022 07:45 PM (DTbLr)

137 GWB, it was so much fun having you and Scuba Dude join us for a great fun afternoon. I live for our ESS Sundays Makes waiting for Texas bearable..

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:45 PM (Y+l9t)

138 124 >>>Wife and I are rather happy with her Mossy MVP Predator in .308.

Posted by: sven

>Nice looking rig. I'll have to check it out.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (0ocXn)


I have two MVPs - a Patrol and a Scout. They are carbine length so not really for reaching all the way out. I was looking for longer barrel MVPs but seems the whole line is pretty much made of unobtanium right not. Mossberg production line probably full to capacity making those little 590s and their new pistol.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 07:45 PM (6TxNR)

139
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 26, 2022 07:45 PM (DTbLr)
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Howdy and 'nite!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:46 PM (0IeYL)

140 43
SCOTUS ruled that you do not need a reason to carry a handgun outside of your house and you can't be denied a permit because of it. NY, NJ, MA, CA, IL and RI hardest hit.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:19 PM (bVYXr)
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SCOTUS should have added that we don't need a permit. You still need, MAYBE, to be cleared to own a firearm (in case felon, mental patient) but not actually have to pay for a permit. If it's my right why does a cop have to give me a permit?

Posted by: Ciampino -- select fire: pew pew pew at June 26, 2022 07:46 PM (qfLjt)

141 I did read that he is drafting legislation to expand places where concealed carry would be prohibited though.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:22 PM (bVYXr)
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What's insane about the current metal detector in the doorway of courthouse CA has going on is: Someone comes through the door shooting, the metal detector isn't going to be a hindrance.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 07:46 PM (5pTK/)

142 sven, look forward to seeing you in TX whenever you can make it.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 26, 2022 07:46 PM (V1WX8)

143 bonhomme, build that AR10 yourself, watch a few videos and do it. Rifles you build yourself are way nicer than one someone else builds!!

Posted by: ck at June 26, 2022 07:46 PM (iBg56)

144
I admit this is just a WAG there may be an ergonomic factor, due to the trigger finger being banged up.
Posted by: Annie Potts
I actually considered whether it was the Glock. Same general wild ass inconsistency with my Walther P22 my bil Sig Sauer P365 and my sil Taurus 1911. Yes they all have different trigger pulls but none of them proved to be an improvement. I have shot the Sig and the Taurus enough times in the past to be somewhat familiar with them. I think Weasel is right I may have to just retrain my trigger finger. I suspect that will be a hefty amount of ammo.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 07:47 PM (UGxEY)

145 Also, while my shopping list is cleared off now, PSA keeps sending me email. And I have had a hankering for a Heritage Rough Rider 22LR cowboy revolver. Well they had them marked down to $109 and then a $20 rebate and really how can you not buy one for $89? I haven't yet. But if they still have them I am going to get one.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 07:48 PM (6TxNR)

146 I admit this is just a WAG there may be an ergonomic factor, due to the trigger finger being banged up.
Posted by: Annie Potts
I actually considered whether it was the Glock. Same general wild ass inconsistency with my Walther P22 my bil Sig Sauer P365 and my sil Taurus 1911. Yes they all have different trigger pulls but none of them proved to be an improvement. I have shot the Sig and the Taurus enough times in the past to be somewhat familiar with them. I think Weasel is right I may have to just retrain my trigger finger. I suspect that will be a hefty amount of ammo.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 07:47 PM (UGxEY)

Something to try: see if you can use your middle finger. I know some folks who do that with some 'point shooting' drills they do. Accuracy doesn't seem to suffer.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:49 PM (xcxpd)

147 Any Android equivalent to Ballistic AE the horde recommends?

Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 07:49 PM (nByzo)

148 Sock Monkey,
May I humbly suggest smacking the finger on the opposite side to straighten it out?

Then take a couple popsicle sticks and duct tape it straight to heal up!
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Basically, re-set it. Not a bad idea.

Regarding triggers, I'd steer away from Glocks for the moment.

I KNOW, I KNOW, yes, I don't like Glocks, but a smoother trigger face may help given your condition.

Also, a lighter trigger - hammer-fired, single action - would put less pressure on it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:49 PM (llXky)

149 Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:33 PM (Lzpvj)

Probably because JMB patents had expired by then. The Model 1910 stayed in production to arm police forces (mostly European) after WWII until the mid-1970s. A good production run in my book.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 07:49 PM (/lmRp)

150 Hah my friend texted me back that he doesn't own any guns as well as never have shot any because they are dangerous and the cause of our violent society.

I forgot that he doesn't discuss his 'dislike' of guns by texts or email.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 26, 2022 07:50 PM (b9Rih)

151 135 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:44 PM (llXky)

"Eh"...

Hey winchester I have this design for a nice shotgun you pump it....

"Nah nah John we want a lever gun!"

Guy dealt with a lot of idiots.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:50 PM (Lzpvj)

152 Ben Had, made quail this week. It was excellent and incredibly easy.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:50 PM (Y+l9t)

153 142 Posted by: Ben Had at June 26, 2022 07:46 PM (V1WX

Wife finally retired last year so I can finally slowly go from being "Sven" to "My real name."

I will miss "sven."

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:51 PM (Lzpvj)

154 Unfortunately, I'd heard it costs $25 to get an armorer to build an upper. Looks like it's closer to $150.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 07:30 PM (i0wNm)

Why would you need an armorer to do that? Carefully and conscientiously build it yourself.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:51 PM (Dcmpp)

155 I actually considered whether it was the Glock. Same general wild ass inconsistency with my Walther P22

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 07:47 PM (UGxEY)
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Okay, then I'd go seek a doctor and have some physical therapy done on it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:51 PM (llXky)

156 Ah! The Nambu Type 14.

Horrible pistol. The magazines still out there will tend to porposie rounds resulting in jams and double feeds. The round is anemic and hard to find and when you do it will cost ya. The pistol itself is accurate enough for combat but I would rather have a Type 94 or a Type 26, both of which I have and have shot and are also horrible. I never sell a weapon but I did sell my Type 14 to some poor bastard who collected Jap pistols. The Type 26 as it is is an example of what a revolver should not be. The Type 94 is just what it is being late war and what the hell, here's another pistol, hope it helps.

Japanese pistols of WW2 are the reason most of their officers preferred their swords.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 07:51 PM (R/m4+)

157 I think Weasel is right I may have to just retrain my trigger finger. I suspect that will be a hefty amount of ammo.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 07:47 PM (UGxEY)
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Hey, it only took me 6K rounds to become proficient with my 1911. No problem, right? I mean, Mrs. S. M. won't complain about the second mortgage, will she?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (5pTK/)

158 Sock monkey,
Learn to shoot using your other hand. I know it sucks.... I'm cross eye dominant ( actually more than just that the vision in my right eye is very bad) rifle shotgun leftie. Handgun righty. Anyhow it will get better. Hopefully.

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (0OmEj)

159 bonhomme, build that AR10 yourself, watch a few videos and do it. Rifles you build yourself are way nicer than one someone else builds!!

Posted by: ck at June 26, 2022 07:46 PM (iBg56)

Seconded. Then you have the tools for the next time. If in my AO, I'd lend tools and assistance.

Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (nByzo)

160 Weasel, I got the little chronograph and I have to say it brings a lot of geek fun back to shooting. I can go out with an assortment of ammo, a spiral notebook, and my trusty online no math needed muzzle energy calculator and see just what the hell is going on. To tell you the truth, I've been most pleased with the workmanship most of the ammo companies are displaying. Out of a given box, things run pretty true.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (lz5hY)

161 110 Sharon I wouldn't doubt you but that makes no sense, when does a SC ruling only cover some states?

Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (2JoB8)

162 Weasel has, for some weeks now, been alluding to "looking good for the range babes".

This evening, rather than just the vaguest of hints about what that might actually look like (SWIDT?), he takes it to the next level with a reference to "your cool tactical pants and Wiley X shooting glasses".

I think it's time for Weasel to quit playing footsie with us, and devote a thread to meritorious and very important topic. Head to toe, what has the Master found to be irresistible to these hawt range babes? Style, cut, color (e.g. do they prefer fawn, taupe, or mauve?), etc.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)

163 I had a huge crush on June Lockhart when I was a lad.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (u73oe)

164 Speaking of hands on top of each other, if my trigger finger was injured, I could get by on using my left thumb. This on my P320. I would probably do poorly, but I'm just saying.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 26, 2022 07:53 PM (ybIRR)

165 138 Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 07:45 PM (6TxNR)

Patrol and Scouts are purposefully carbine length, the Predators have longer barrels.


https://tinyurl.com/yck255sh

Truth About Guns review

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:53 PM (Lzpvj)

166 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (lz5hY)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:53 PM (0IeYL)

167 Haven’t kept up, but SD County sheriff flopped to basically shall-issue before his last election, every guy I shoot matches with got permits pronto. Now all seems moot. Hoping the hindrances/workarounds being plotted by the idiot states will occasion more suits, and eventually even more categorical smack-downs from SCOTUS.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (OTzUX)

168 The other 43 already had shall issue. It was only 7 that required a valid reason .

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (Y+l9t)

169 I think it's time for Weasel to quit playing footsie with us, and devote a thread to meritorious and very important topic. Head to toe, what has the Master found to be irresistible to these hawt range babes? Style, cut, color (e.g. do they prefer fawn, taupe, or mauve?), etc.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)
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Gangsta jeans and a t-shirt!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (0IeYL)

170 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:44 PM (llXky)

Didn't Colt contract w/ US Ordinance for a small batch production run of Model 1903s/1908s a few years ago? Would have loved to get one, but I think US Ordinance made only around 2,000 or so in total. Not enough to whet the demand, in my opinion.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (/lmRp)

171 Better off simply using 45 LC Shot Shells. CCI makes them--150 grains of #9 shot.
Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 07:36 PM (xA2KX)

That's my snake load of choice down at the farm. USFA SAA clone with a 5 inch barrel.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (dVlo/)

172 I picked up a Walther P22 a couple years ago because I thought it would be cheap shooting and easy for Mrs.D to get the basics. Well. She sure learned bow to clear a jam.
I've run about a hundred rounds through it. CCI 22 LR seems to be the only reliable round and even this gives me a jam every third magazine.
Not sure if it's feeding right or if it isn't blowing the slide back far enough. It is annoying and I am disappointed.
Thoughts?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (anj39)

173 Anyone have experience with the Beretta PX4 Compact Carry from Langdon Tactical?

Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2022 07:55 PM (6eRlp)

174 So, it applies to all 50 but only affects 7.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:56 PM (Y+l9t)

175 130 Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 07:43 PM (0OP+5)

I have heard it was an anti-car jacking gun...

Brazil is probably in the top three "sorta stable" South American countries and well "not very" comes to mind.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:56 PM (Lzpvj)

176 > bonhomme, build that AR10 yourself, watch a few videos and do it. Rifles you build yourself are way nicer than one someone else builds!!

I'm not sure I want to buy all of the tools. At a minimum I'd need an armorer's wrench, something to hold the upper receiver, and a go no go gauge. That also means I don't know if things are torqued to spec. If I want that done properly, I need a torque wrench.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 07:56 PM (i0wNm)

177 The other 43 already had shall issue. It was only 7 that required a valid reason .

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (Y+l9t)
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Yeah, Dems have this weird thing of getting back at people they don't like by punishing their own citizens.

You know the guy whose mad at his boss and comes home and kicks his dog? Same energy.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:56 PM (llXky)

178 Was there ever a swordsmith that dominated his art the way Browning did his?

And when are we getting a sword thread?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 26, 2022 07:57 PM (ybIRR)

179 173 Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2022 07:55 PM (6eRlp)

Heather Radish was a big PX-4 fan IIRC.


174 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:56 PM (Y+l9t)

Turns out the other 43 states treats their inhabitants as "citizens" and the other 7 needed a time out.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:57 PM (Lzpvj)

180 The other 43 already had shall issue. It was only 7 that required a valid reason .

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM


Don't mean to pick nits, but 25 States have Constitutional Carry, no permit required. When I was born 29 years ago there was only one State that had constitutional carry and that was Vermont.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:57 PM (bVYXr)

181 The CH-46 is one of (if not the best) helicopters to jump out of.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (a3Q+t)

It's stupid to jump out of a perfectly good airplane.
But that's a helicopter, so it makes sense.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:58 PM (Dcmpp)

182 > If in my AO, I'd lend tools and assistance.

I'm in western WA.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 07:58 PM (i0wNm)

183 You know the guy whose mad at his boss and comes home and kicks his dog? Same energy. AH Lloyd

Since the Dems take care of their own, I'd say the guy who's mad at his boss and comes home and kicks his neighbor's dog.

Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2022 07:58 PM (6eRlp)

184 You'll be the first to get it if I sell it.
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I appreciate that greatly. Cheers!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (yikp0)

185 153 142 Posted by: Ben Had at June 26, 2022 07:46 PM (V1WX

Wife finally retired last year so I can finally slowly go from being "Sven" to "My real name."

I will miss "sven."
Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:51 PM (Lzpvj)
When I retired I told Mrs. E she didn't have to call me Chief and could use my real name in public. She said 'ok, jackass.'

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (0OP+5)

186 180 Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:57 PM (bVYXr)

Indeed, the cynic in me says whatever the donks and their bond villain bankers have in store for us has them terrified of normies having guns.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (Lzpvj)

187 Didn't Colt contract w/ US Ordinance for a small batch production run of Model 1903s/1908s a few years ago? Would have loved to get one, but I think US Ordinance made only around 2,000 or so in total. Not enough to whet the demand, in my opinion.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (/lmRp)
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I didn't hear that, but I know that the General Officers' pistol is a smaller 1911 in .380. I saw one (with papers) up on Gun Broker a while ago and while I get the coolness of the provenance, it belonged to a very obscure one-star but it was priced like Ike carried it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (llXky)

188 The signature overalls and wifebeaters should bring in the bank on his OnlyFans account.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (0ocXn)

189 Better off simply using 45 LC Shot Shells. CCI makes them--150 grains of #9 shot.
Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 07:36 PM (xA2KX)

That's my snake load of choice down at the farm. USFA SAA clone with a 5 inch barrel.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (dVlo/)

Speer makes .45 LC shot capsules, for DIY, or you can go old school with wads and shot cards.

Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (nByzo)

190 Speaking of JMB...do check out or buy 'The Guns of John Moses Browning'. Fascinating biography as well as gun design info. I learned a lot from it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (xcxpd)

191 Patrol and Scouts are purposefully carbine length, the Predators have longer barrels.


https://tinyurl.com/yck255sh

Truth About Guns review
Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 07:53 PM (Lzpvj)


Yes - I am looking for a longer barrel MVP and they are close to impossible to find.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (6TxNR)

192 That tinfoil wrap only looked good on Penny.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 26, 2022 08:00 PM (C8cEw)

193 Sharon, I have never had anything but quality from Broken Arrow. Try the axis deer.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 26, 2022 08:00 PM (V1WX8)

194 185 Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (0OP+5)

I made the decision back in 1997 when she joined to keep my web id low profile.

History has shown me it was the correct decision, clearance holders are watched.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 08:00 PM (Lzpvj)

195 Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (0ocXn)
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Now there is an idea!!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:00 PM (0IeYL)

196 Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 07:58 PM (i0wNm)

I'm NE.

Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 08:00 PM (nByzo)

197 Oh, and thanks for the Apex link. I'll send it to my nephew too. [And I have several American relatives that might be able to send me parts if Apex isn't international should my nephew need any parts.]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 08:01 PM (yikp0)

198 If I had the dosh, I'd put myself on a waiting list for the Manuhrin MR 73 with the 4" barrel.

Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2022 08:01 PM (6eRlp)

199 Since the Dems take care of their own, I'd say the guy who's mad at his boss and comes home and kicks his neighbor's dog.

Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2022 07:58 PM (6eRlp)
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I guess. Epstein was 'take care of.' If they don't off them, they make them just as obscure. Remember Cindy Sheehan? Weird how she just disappeared.

Dems see people as tools, to be dropped when they are done with them.

And they absolutely abuse their minions. You saw that with Cuomo and Spitzer and Klobuchar and of course the Kennedys.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:01 PM (llXky)

200 Glad to echo AH Lloyd’s reco of snap caps/dummy rounds. Essential. For function testing and practice. Rule of thumb: for every new platform, dummy rounds + 6 magazines, minimum. (If it’s an H&K platform, just sell whichever is your least favorite child to traffickers to afford the mags)

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:02 PM (OTzUX)

201 If I had the dosh, I'd put myself on a waiting list for the Manuhrin MR 73 with the 4" barrel.

Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2022 08:01 PM (6eRlp)
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How many Colt Pythons could you buy for that price? I'm not talking new ones, I mean vintage.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:03 PM (llXky)

202 Not sure if it's feeding right or if it isn't blowing the slide back far enough. It is annoying and I am disappointed.
Thoughts?
Posted by: Diogenes

It's a design issue with the hammer catching on the slide. The Ruger SR22 essentially the same gun also has that issue. I used my drimmel tool a polishing pad and some polishing paste and very carefully removed enough of the hammer that I no longer have issues with jamming and Ftf. I was very careful and did it in increments. There may be other reasons and /or fixes but it successfully solved my issue

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 08:03 PM (UGxEY)

203 Evening Weasel. Great thread as usual. Sorry I’m late. Just came to from a food coma. It’s all Pete Bogs fault.

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 26, 2022 08:03 PM (gtu9W)

204 191 Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (6TxNR)

Sorry to hear it.

I'd try Three Bears Alaska in Butte Montana, they *always* had hard to find stuff.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 08:03 PM (Lzpvj)

205 Posted by: Rancherbob at June 26, 2022 08:03 PM (gtu9W)
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Howdy Rancherbob!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:04 PM (0IeYL)

206 Sock Monkey.
Good tip.
I never thought of that. I'll check out the piece and see how it looks.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 26, 2022 08:05 PM (anj39)

207 Skip, et al. The #11 percussion cap makers are just as available as the #11 percussion caps.
As in, Don't Ask. We don't know WHEN they'll be back in stock.
Somewhere, there's a little shop that used to crank out Remington's. Was it in China? Musta been, cause if it were in Murca, they'd be burning the midnight oil.

Posted by: MkY at June 26, 2022 08:05 PM (cPGH3)

208 I've owned a Colt Python. The trigger was as smooth as my SandW model of 1988 .45 ACP (N frame). I've never owned a Manuhrin.

Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2022 08:06 PM (6eRlp)

209 Back to the Nambu. First, some folks have a bad habit of calling a Type 94 a Nambu, and it's everything but. It was originally designed as a cheap export gun for South American consumption, and when the war started, the tooling was there. Nambus are a pretty crummy, over complicated design, but they do display some excellent workmanship. The crown jewell of the family is the little Baby Nambu, 7MM IIRC. I've seen a couple of these and they must have been hand built by true artists. Never issued, purchased by officers of high rank (mostly social economic rank). Bill Ruger got his start as a result of seeing one.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 26, 2022 08:06 PM (lz5hY)

210 Shot aspirin today.
Well, I shot "at" aspirin.
Turns out not competing since last fall affects one's accuracy.
Middle of the pack at 17/40. One guy shot 32, one shot 29.
I'm making up excuses.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:06 PM (rdxwq)

211 MAE, that book on Saint Browning sits here on the table next to the ashtray as I type this. Just got it from the library.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:06 PM (OTzUX)

212 Hey All! Long time, no see! Sorry to have been away so long. Martini Farmer, I see where you've picked up an SR22. Back before my hiatus, I was having a problem with mine that was driving me nuts. I'd fire about 40 rds, then the gun would just quit working. Trigger would collapse, then nothing. I thought it was dirty ammo. It was making me crazy because I really enjoyed the weapon. Come to find out Ruger issued a recall on the SR22 for just my issue. Sent it back, they replaced the sear break pin and I haven't had a problem with it since. Check their website for the serial number and if yours in the range, they'll pay for shipping and repair.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (VNmG1)

213 210 Shot aspirin today.
Well, I shot "at" aspirin.
Turns out not competing since last fall affects one's accuracy.
Middle of the pack at 17/40. One guy shot 32, one shot 29.
I'm making up excuses.
Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:06 PM (rdxwq)
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Socks too tight?

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (0IeYL)

214 Don't mean to pick nits, but 25 States have Constitutional Carry, no permit required. When I was born 29 years ago there was only one State that had constitutional carry and that was Vermont.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 07:57 PM (bVYXr)
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It's crazy how that battle has gone. Another proof that grass-roots work on the state level can pay off.

I think Dobbs is a nightmare for the left for the same reason. With the iron wall of Roe/Casey fractured, the same grass roots organizations will be able to push hard to preserve life. The left is freaking out because those forces are now unleashed and their sacrifices to Moloch are ending.

Moloch will be pissed.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (llXky)

215 197 Oh, and thanks for the Apex link. I'll send it to my nephew too. [And I have several American relatives that might be able to send me parts if Apex isn't international should my nephew need any parts.]

Posted by: andycanuck

Great. Century International has some but you have to go through menus to their Parts and accessories which is under their surplus corner menu. You can then narrow the search to No. 1 mk 3 as well as specify English or Australian. Some of CIA's parts are new. Apex's follow their description online.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (xA2KX)

216 208 Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2022 08:06 PM (6eRlp)

If you'd like to be depressed, recall that in the 90s you could buy M-73s for under 300 bucks from Aim Surplus.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (Lzpvj)

217 I remember reading, about one of the states or cities in the NE, maybe NYC, nobody applied for CCW because it was going to be denied anyway.

It was so bad, they didn't even supply application forms (that would be denied anyway, if they had). It took a lawsuit for them to provide the application form.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 26, 2022 08:08 PM (3m11Z)

218 Good stuff as always Mr. Weasel. I snuck in from working in the garden with Mrs. Sock but I did take the time to read the content. I suspect she will come in soon and I will get an eyeroll. I appreciate the comments even NRs . Sounds like something my mother who was a nurse for 52 years would have said.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 08:08 PM (UGxEY)

219 Posted by: Old Blue at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (VNmG1)
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Howdy Old Blue! Nice to see you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:08 PM (0IeYL)

220 181 The CH-46 is one of (if not the best) helicopters to jump out of.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 07:41 PM (a3Q+t)

It's stupid to jump out of a perfectly good airplane.
But that's a helicopter, so it makes sense.
Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 07:58 PM (Dcmpp)
I think he was going for the Pinochet Gambit.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 08:08 PM (0OP+5)

221 But the Japanese like porpoises.

Mmm.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 08:08 PM (yikp0)

222 PSA, if you see Rancherbob and Pete Bog in the same place at the same time something's cooking.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 26, 2022 08:08 PM (V1WX8)

223 214 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (llXky)

Correct, "here in reality" the US has had by 1970s judicial fiat the most permissive abortion "laws" enforced from on high in the developed world.

It is really hard to get it through the Satanist's skulls that no other western nation is arguing for post-natal abortion.

They are drugged eugenicist monsters who are rightly terrified sanity is about to assert itself.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 08:09 PM (Lzpvj)

224 Socks too tight?
Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (0IeYL)

Distracted by the hawt range babes.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:10 PM (rdxwq)

225 214 Constitutional carry states don't get the media coverage they got when debating the issue. Nothing to see when the streets are not rivers of blood as predicted.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 26, 2022 08:10 PM (lz5hY)

226 Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 08:08 PM (UGxEY)
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You might qualify for a cripple parking tag, so it's not all downside. Let us know how things progress.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:10 PM (0IeYL)

227 Weasel, whatcha burning today? Montecristo White Vintage here.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:10 PM (OTzUX)

228 If you'd like to be depressed, recall that in the 90s you could buy M-73s for under 300 bucks from Aim Surplus.
Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (Lzpvj)

Thanks, Sven. Now I'm depressed

Back then, the Swedish Mausers in 6.55 were going for peanuts and they were in excellent condition. But I shoot left-handed (rifle, shotgun, pistol) and had sworn off RH bolt guns, so there's that, too.

Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2022 08:11 PM (6eRlp)

229
I think Dobbs is a nightmare for the left for the same reason. With the iron wall of Roe/Casey fractured, the same grass roots organizations will be able to push hard to preserve life. The left is freaking out because those forces are now unleashed and their sacrifices to Moloch are ending.

Moloch will be pissed.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (llXky)
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It's one thing to fight on one front at the federal level. It's quite another to fight on 50 fronts at the state level. Tends to be a bit more expensive, too.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 08:11 PM (5pTK/)

230 Well dang.
I cooked dinner last night and Mrs D said I did such a good job I can do it again tonight.
I don't think that was a compliment.
Anyway, thanxs as always Weasel.
Night all!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 26, 2022 08:11 PM (anj39)

231 A question for the Horde that is in the know...
How are Charles Daly firearms? I've seen their version of the Mossberg Shockwave, and the MSRP is much lower than the Shockwave. Would you assume it to be capable, reliable, reasonably accurate, etc. because of the manufacturer?

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:11 PM (Dcmpp)

232 Nambus are a pretty crummy, over complicated design, but they do display some excellent workmanship.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 26, 2022 08:06 PM (lz5hY)
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I think that's why one would collect them. As works of art, not necessarily range guns.

BTW, don't be too hard on the Japanese. They were still more forward-thinking than the British, who used revolvers as a side arm into the 1950s. What a total fail.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:12 PM (llXky)

233 187 Didn't Colt contract w/ US Ordinance for a small batch production run of Model 1903s/1908s a few years ago? Would have loved to get one, but I think US Ordinance made only around 2,000 or so in total. Not enough to whet the demand, in my opinion.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (/lmRp)
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I didn't hear that, but I know that the General Officers' pistol is a smaller 1911 in .380. I saw one (with papers) up on Gun Broker a while ago and while I get the coolness of the provenance, it belonged to a very obscure one-star but it was priced like Ike carried it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (llXky)
I have a couple Colt Government Model .380s. Beautiful guns, and a Llama same pattern except a vent rib of all things.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 08:12 PM (0OP+5)

234 187 Didn't Colt contract w/ US Ordinance for a small batch production run of Model 1903s/1908s a few years ago? Would have loved to get one, but I think US Ordinance made only around 2,000 or so in total. Not enough to whet the demand, in my opinion.

Posted by: Ed L
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Colt didn't. Someone makes a licensed repro of the 1903 as the patents have long expired. US Armaments Co (usarmamentscorp dot com) for 1300 or so in 32 acp in parkerized finish.

Read a review of it and reviewer mentioned that it seemed to work fine with fmj from what I recall.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:12 PM (xA2KX)

235 Well dang.
I cooked dinner last night and Mrs D said I did such a good job I can do it again tonight.
I don't think that was a compliment.
Anyway, thanxs as always Weasel.
Night all!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 26, 2022 08:11 PM (anj39)

It's a trap!

Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 08:12 PM (nByzo)

236 227 Weasel, whatcha burning today? Montecristo White Vintage here.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:10 PM (OTzUX)
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Nice! Nothing too special here. A Villazon Robusto.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:13 PM (0IeYL)

237 Sock Monkey.
Good tip.
I never thought of that. I'll check out the piece and see how it looks.
Posted by: Diogenes

I also polished the feed ramp very carefully
I am far from being a smith more of a hillbilly but even us hillbillys now enough to be cautious doing stuff like that.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 08:13 PM (UGxEY)

238 Weasel! Great to see you Old Friend!

Posted by: Old Blue at June 26, 2022 08:13 PM (VNmG1)

239 Posted by: Diogenes at June 26, 2022 08:11 PM (anj39)
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Adios!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:14 PM (0IeYL)

240 GWB, I have a Charles Daly 12 ga. Built in Turkey. Probably 15 years ago.
Runs fine.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:14 PM (rdxwq)

241 211 MAE, that book on Saint Browning sits here on the table next to the ashtray as I type this. Just got it from the library.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:06 PM (OTzUX)

You're going to love it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 08:15 PM (xcxpd)

242
Posted by: Old Blue at June 26, 2022 08:13 PM (VNmG1)
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*fistbump!*

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:15 PM (xh3lO)

243 It's one thing to fight on one front at the federal level. It's quite another to fight on 50 fronts at the state level. Tends to be a bit more expensive, too.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 08:11 PM (5pTK/)
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That's the point - the left wasn't really fighting at all. The Supremes had their back, so all they did was sent press releases and pocket money from Planned Parenthood.

Meanwhile the right to life people have been doing vigils, setting up clinics, buying mobile ultrasounds to persuade women to choose life.

Strategically speaking, they have a vast infrastructure and the left has tantrums on Twitter. They counted on the court to hold the line forever and there is no fallback position.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:15 PM (llXky)

244 I know, wrong thread but .....from Food Thread
409 Bets polenta I ever had was in Reggio Emiliana, in some little 5 table restaurant inside an office building. Grilled octopus in polenta. With a birra and a caprese salad.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 26, 2022 06:45 PM (CzRZX)

Reggio is in the same province as Bologna - Bolognese sauce - no wonder you enjoyed the polenta. Reggio has the oldest university in the world, and beats all those 'ancient African universities' that they pretend existed.

Posted by: Ciampino - hungry at June 26, 2022 08:15 PM (qfLjt)

245 Weasel, those Villazons will likely be my next bundle buy thanks to your reco. Have a bunch of Flor de Olivas to burn thru first.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:15 PM (OTzUX)

246 The left is never satisfied. If they didn't constantly push the envelop, this never would have happened. If they had not pushed for partial birth or even after birth abortion, if they had not gone after guns every time there was a shooting, these rulings might not have gotten pushed to the SC. The next one will be transgendering children. But, the left is never satisfied.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 08:15 PM (Y+l9t)

247 benhomme, you only need an armorers wrench if you're installing an A2 style front grip, for a free floating handguard you'll need a 1"-1.25" wrench for your barrel nut. The torque specs for the barrel nut is 35-85 ft. pounds, pretty easy to hit. You can get a wrench for the buffer tube nut for $10.

Posted by: ck at June 26, 2022 08:16 PM (iBg56)

248 I have a couple Colt Government Model .380s. Beautiful guns, and a Llama same pattern except a vent rib of all things.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 08:12 PM (0OP+5)
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I'm told the ne plus ultra is the Colt Government in .38 Super. Paul Harrell is making me want one.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:17 PM (llXky)

249 231 A question for the Horde that is in the know...
How are Charles Daly firearms? I've seen their version of the Mossberg Shockwave, and the MSRP is much lower than the Shockwave. Would you assume it to be capable, reliable, reasonably accurate, etc. because of the manufacturer?
Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:11 PM (Dcmpp)

I have had two Turkish shottys. One had to go back for repairs right away but has functioned fine since. The other is still running right.

It'll be a gamble but if you buy it retail, you should be able to suss out trouble early and get warranty support.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 08:17 PM (xcxpd)

250 when does a SC ruling only cover some states?
Posted by: Skip at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (2JoB

SCOTUS only replies to the case that comes to it. So it is remanded to the specific Circuit that handled the original case. It takes a case in another Circuit to _enforce_ the rule in that Circuit - unless they do the right thing and say, "Oh, hey, this is SCOTUS so we should follow it."

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:17 PM (Dcmpp)

251 I had a huge crush on June Lockhart when I was a lad.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 26, 2022 07:52 PM (u73oe)

She really made that foil look good.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:18 PM (Dcmpp)

252 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (llXky)

IIRC, the Army selected the Model 1908 (.380 ACP) for General Officer sidearms, procuring around 2,000 for this purpose. As other Model 1903/1908 pistols from other users (OSS, Naval Intelligence, SOE, CID, etc.) got turned in and the number of General Officer sidearms ran low, the Army also turned these survivors into General Officer sidearms during the 1950s and 1960s. So, there may be even more interesting history behind these pistols. Incidentally, Ike's personal .380 from WWII is at the West Point Museum.
Just about all US military surplus/vintage firearms are expensive these days. The days of bargains have been over for about 20 years now.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 08:18 PM (/lmRp)

253 I'm told the ne plus ultra is the Colt Government in .38 Super. Paul Harrell is making me want one.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:17 PM (llXky)
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I really like the stuff Paul Harrell does. He's the only guy I know that could paint a wall, watch it dry, talk about the paint drying, and make it interesting.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 08:18 PM (5pTK/)

254 I'm told the ne plus ultra is the Colt Government in .38 Super. Paul Harrell is making me want one.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:17 PM (llXky)

I panicked and bought a Rock Island 1911 .38 Super a few years ago.

Functions fine, ammo ain't cheap so it doesn't get worked much.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 08:18 PM (xcxpd)

255 194 185 Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 07:59 PM (0OP+5)

I made the decision back in 1997 when she joined to keep my web id low profile.

History has shown me it was the correct decision, clearance holders are watched.
Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 08:00 PM (Lzpvj)
I was just joking, she has always call me jackass, and she has always been a sillyvillian. Last clearance I had was in 05 DoD.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 08:19 PM (0OP+5)

256 Century International has some but you have to go through menus to their Parts and accessories which is under their surplus corner menu. You can then narrow the search to No. 1 mk 3 as well as specify English or Australian. Some of CIA's parts are new. Apex's follow their description online.
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Okay, Whig. I'll play around with that tomorrow then. [Or tonight!]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 08:19 PM (yikp0)

257 BTW, don't be too hard on the Japanese. They were still more forward-thinking than the British, who used revolvers as a side arm into the 1950s. What a total fail.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:12 PM (llXky)

Concur. Plus for all their pistol failings, the Japanese Type 38 and Type 99 rifles were on par if not slightly better than their Euro and American bolt action contemporaries.

The Japs were never keen on SMGs though, which I always thought strange.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 08:19 PM (R/m4+)

258 You might qualify for a cripple parking tag, so it's not all downside. Let us know how things progress.
Posted by: Weasel

I will . Most likely I'll have to keep parking out on the edge of the parking lot with the other grumpy old farts. Mostly l am just annoyed with myself because it's self inflicted. I still hit the kill zone 25 yardsand in with an occasional round that wanders down into the groin area but I will probably think twice about head shots.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 08:19 PM (UGxEY)

259 Just about all US military surplus/vintage firearms are expensive these days. The days of bargains have been over for about 20 years now.
Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 08:18 PM (/lmRp)

Clinton-era "Captain Crunch" program comes to mind.

Posted by: mrp at June 26, 2022 08:19 PM (6eRlp)

260 Hoping the hindrances/workarounds being plotted by the idiot states will occasion more suits, and eventually even more categorical smack-downs from SCOTUS.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 07:54 PM (OTzUX)

I'm hoping it occasions more people going to jail for deprivation of civil rights. And being broke because of the lawsuit judgments.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:19 PM (Dcmpp)

261 I really like the stuff Paul Harrell does. He's the only guy I know that could paint a wall, watch it dry, talk about the paint drying, and make it interesting.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 08:18 PM (5pTK/)

He's what you call a professional.

Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 08:19 PM (nByzo)

262 Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:15 PM (OTzUX)
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Let me know what you think!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:19 PM (0IeYL)

263 > Posted by: Old Blue at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM
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I did check the "slack trigger" issue with the SR22 and I'm good. In fact, taught my grandson how to shoot it yesterday. No issues. And no, he did not shoot it with the suppressor on it. One thing at a time...

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 26, 2022 08:20 PM (BFigT)

264 Just about all US military surplus/vintage firearms are expensive these days. The days of bargains have been over for about 20 years now.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 08:18 PM (/lmRp)
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This is generally true. There are some shops near me that get consignments from estates being liquidated from time to time. I've gotten some great deals that way.

I think US surplus in particular is valued, but you can still find good values from foreign stuff, the more obscure, the better.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:20 PM (llXky)

265 Again, the ruling only affected the 7 states that refused Shall issue because the other 43 already had shall issue in place.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 08:20 PM (Y+l9t)

266 The Japs were never keen on SMGs though, which I always thought strange.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 08:19 PM (R/m4+)
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Probably didn't have the capability of keeping SMG's supplied with bullets.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 08:20 PM (5pTK/)

267 Never had an issue with my Ruger SR 22. My wife liked it so much, I gave her one. For Valentine's Day.
Like Weasel with the Walther P-22, it's the first semi I start people out with. Same manual of arms as many guns, light recoil and comfortable grip.
I do polish the feed ramp on all of my semis. Lightly.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:20 PM (rdxwq)

268 What do you think? Good option or bad option? How might you work the .380 into your carry routine?

I have two EDC, the obvious is the 1911 on my waist. the not so obvious is the LCP2 in my hand pointing at you that's in my pocket. yeah, it's snappy AF. but i'm good with it up to 10 yards in the dark from a one hand grip concealed in the pocket where i just told the mugger my wallet and $50 cash is.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 26, 2022 08:20 PM (UgAdJ)

269 Dangit PSA still has $109 Rough Riders with the rebate.

HERITAGE ROUGH RIDER 6.5" .22 LR REVOLVER, US FLAG GRIPS - RR22B6USFLAG

Or a 4.75 inch barrel that is blued no flag grips.

Dang it. Talk me off the ledge peeps.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 08:21 PM (6TxNR)

270 err, not bullets, cartridges.

Yeesh.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 08:21 PM (5pTK/)

271 Not sure, but I think the Nambus that sadly worked pretty well were the MGs with the cardboard-linked ammo.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:22 PM (OTzUX)

272 I'm told the ne plus ultra is the Colt Government in .38 Super. Paul Harrell is making me want one.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:17 PM (llXky)


Aren't those big with the cartels?

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 08:23 PM (6TxNR)

273 bonhomme,
The AR10 upper assembly is not that hard but it does have a few unique twists.

If you like, send me an email in my nic if you want information. BTW, my build was an Aeroprecision like yours if that makes any difference.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:23 PM (xA2KX)

274 Weasel, what is the frame size of the Walther P22? Compact or Full Size? Thanks.

Posted by: SD Kid at June 26, 2022 08:23 PM (AMIL/)

275 He's what you call a professional.

Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 08:19 PM (nByzo)
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Hogmartin finds his "pork steak pectorals" particularly amusing.

I guess he got grief about using the "meat target" but I think it's just as if not more valid than gelatin because we get to see what happens when ribs are hit.

Plus, the Shasta hatred.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:23 PM (llXky)

276 Talk me off the ledge peeps.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 08:21 PM (6TxNR)

Buy two.

Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 08:23 PM (nByzo)

277 The Japs were never keen on SMGs though, which I always thought strange.
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Won't take bayonets?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 08:25 PM (yikp0)

278 Buy two.
Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 08:23 PM (nByzo)


This is precisely where I was headed. Because I have two of just about everything in the laager. Because either I get one and sra blaster likes it so I have to get another one, or the other way around.

I have a CCW in VA so I can buy more than one.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 08:25 PM (6TxNR)

279 Again for those looking at something like that Walther .22, check out the M&P .22 as well. Bigger frame, works well.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:26 PM (OTzUX)

280 Hogmartin finds his "pork steak pectorals" particularly amusing.

I guess he got grief about using the "meat target" but I think it's just as if not more valid than gelatin because we get to see what happens when ribs are hit.

Plus, the Shasta hatred.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:23 PM (llXky)

He catches grief from Jeff and OG from Taofledermaus, but I think it is good natured. The meat target is a bit of an eye roller for me, but I'll happily watch.

Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 08:26 PM (nByzo)

281 Talk me off the ledge peeps.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 08:21 PM (6TxNR)

Buy two.
Posted by: flounder at June 26, 2022 08:23 PM (nByzo)
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Normally, I don't encourage people on a ledge to take the leap. In this case, I'll make an exception.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 08:26 PM (5pTK/)

282 I'm not sure I want to buy all of the tools.

I've thought before that we need to work out some way to loan tools between ourselves. I mean specifically the kind of tools that are essential but infrequently used, like receiver wrenches and chamber gauges. Any ideas how to work something out over non-local distances?

Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 08:26 PM (nfrXX)

283 mrp " If I had the dosh, I'd put myself on a waiting list for the Manuhrin MR 73 with the 4" barrel."


I bought one of the original MR-73 French Po Po trade in pistols (before Berretta started making them) for 700 bucks back in the day. I still have it. Its my favorite .357. I consider that pistol second only to a Korth.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 26, 2022 08:27 PM (cCxiu)

284 272 I'm told the ne plus ultra is the Colt Government in .38 Super. Paul Harrell is making me want one.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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If you reload, a decent choice. If you buy ammo, 38 Super is pricey and bullet choice/loads don't exist. Unless you compete in IPSC open class, the 38 Super is largely defunct which hurts ammo availability. Components for reloaders are around because those in open class reload to stoke their compensators.

Rock Island Armory did make one for about the same price as their other 1911's but have not seen it in stock recently.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:27 PM (xA2KX)

285 I'm sure some folks have used this outfit, "Century Arms" before. They had a U.S. 1917 Rear Sight Leaf Spring Screw and Rear Sight Bolt w/ Nut that I needed. New old stock. Got it to me right away and were very reasonable. I am impressed.

Posted by: Javems at June 26, 2022 08:27 PM (AmoqO)

286 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:03 PM (llXky)

In my part of the world, two. Vintage "shooter" Pythons run around $2,500 to $3,000 in my part of the world.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 08:27 PM (/lmRp)

287 Orange Lung Tissue.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:27 PM (rdxwq)

288 Went to the range a couple of weeks ago with an old friend. Love the guy, but he's a really lousy shot. I think his problem is that he's left eye dominant but right hand dominant. Any how, we were both shooting 9mm and his shots were consistently low, but I was shooting the same ammo out of the same boxes and was in the bull at 15 yds. He was blaming it on the ammo being too heavy and it was dropping 6 to 8 inches at that range. I just smiled and kept on shooting.

Posted by: Old Blue at June 26, 2022 08:27 PM (VNmG1)

289 Dang it. Talk me off the ledge peeps.

You do realize that we're all codependent enablers, right? If I can spend my money on a gun, the next best thing is spending yours. Sometimes it's even better.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 08:28 PM (nfrXX)

290 269 If you don't already own a Heritage Rough Rider, when you do you will wonder how the hell do they make this for so little money. Not the best, but a far, far distance from the worst. (Disclaimer I've had one for a few years, and bought a second like new one coming out of pawn at my buddy's shop. Cheap. Just because.)

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 26, 2022 08:28 PM (lz5hY)

291 Again, the ruling only affected the 7 states that refused Shall issue because the other 43 already had shall issue in place.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 08:20 PM (Y+l9t)
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To expand a bit. The court already found that the 2A covered the right to own firearms, and also to have them in the home for self-defense. The current ruling found that it also covers carrying them outside of the home.

Historically, many states had bans on various forms of carry, usually concealed carry because in the old days, it was thought cowardly to hide your weapon. Thus is many states, open carry was legal but concealed required a special permit.

Over the years, concealed carry has become more popular, and some state have actually reversed themselves so that open carry is illegal but concealed carry is not.

The 7 states in question effectively banned both open AND concealed carry, making it impossible to defend yourself with a firearm outside of the home. If you want to see a judicial pimp slap, read Alito teeing off on the dissenters in his concurrence.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:28 PM (llXky)

292 My plan is to borrow certain tools for an AR build (couple of retired machinists on my RO crew) and have a ‘smith check headspace and overall safety/fitness to shoot.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:30 PM (OTzUX)

293 Aren't those big with the cartels?

Posted by: blaster
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Some countries like Mexico and other Latin American countries ban selling the same ammo that armed forces use. 38 Super was a workaround as is 30 Luger in many of those countries.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:30 PM (xA2KX)

294 Great. Century International has some but you have to go through menus to their Parts and accessories which is under their surplus corner menu.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:07 PM (xA2KX)

Just saw this. Are they affiliated with Century Arms?

Posted by: Javems at June 26, 2022 08:30 PM (AmoqO)

295 Posted by: SD Kid at June 26, 2022 08:23 PM (AMIL/)
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Small. Compact even.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:30 PM (0IeYL)

296 Got it to me right away and were very reasonable. I am impressed.
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Sounds good, Javems, should we need anything from them.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 08:30 PM (yikp0)

297 Great thread, as usual, weasel.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 08:31 PM (5pTK/)

298
I had a huge crush on June Lockhart when I was a lad.
Posted by: Duke Lowell


She also played Alvin York's sister.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 26, 2022 08:31 PM (63Dwl)

299 Won't take bayonets?

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 08:25 PM (yikp0)
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LOL, Japanese LMGs with bayonets. Crazy but true.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:31 PM (llXky)

300 The Japs were never keen on SMGs though, which I always thought strange.
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Won't take bayonets?
Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 08:25 PM (yikp0)

Just think of a Banzai! charge with SMGs instead of bolt action rifles.

Like the russians only more terrifying.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 08:31 PM (R/m4+)

301 s/can spend/can't spend/ Makes more sense that way.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 08:31 PM (nfrXX)

302 Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:12 PM (xA2KX)

Unfortunately, I missed out on that production run. I hoped that another would follow, but I think it's unlikely to happen anytime soon. Still want one, though.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 08:31 PM (/lmRp)

303
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 26, 2022 08:31 PM (5pTK/)
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Thanks blake. Adios!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:31 PM (0IeYL)

304 Some countries like Mexico and other Latin American countries ban selling the same ammo that armed forces use. 38 Super was a workaround as is 30 Luger in many of those countries.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:30 PM (xA2KX)
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This is also true of 9mm Steyr. Colt actually made some 1911s in 9mm Steyr for the Italian market back in the day. They didn't sell well. Seem kinda pricey now...

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:32 PM (llXky)

305
Just what has the Gun Thread done to recognize Pride Month?!?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 08:32 PM (/HYuI)

306 269 Dangit PSA still has $109 Rough Riders with the rebate.

HERITAGE ROUGH RIDER 6.5" .22 LR REVOLVER, US FLAG GRIPS - RR22B6USFLAG

Or a 4.75 inch barrel that is blued no flag grips.

Dang it. Talk me off the ledge peeps.

Posted by: blaster
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Why?

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:33 PM (xA2KX)

307 They counted on the court to hold the line forever and there is no fallback position.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:15 PM (llXky)

They counted on *authority* to handle it. "The big boss said so, so shut up and comply" is so often their go-to.

persuade women to choose life.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:15 PM (llXky)

And that's what the pro-life side has been doing - *persuading*. They have changed hearts and minds.

And that is why the Progs are so ticked - with it back in the political arena, those hearts and minds make a difference. That's what we all have to be doing to get our free Republic back - win hearts and minds.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:33 PM (Dcmpp)

308 B-day weekend here. 70! Gasp. Range day and dinner. Good times. Back to dessert

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at June 26, 2022 08:33 PM (Jk1fB)

309 Three and a half hours of daylight left. Time to head back outside. Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 26, 2022 08:33 PM (UGxEY)

310 Just think of a Banzai! charge with SMGs instead of bolt action rifles.

Like the russians only more terrifying.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 08:31 PM (R/m4+)

Yeah, but the Russians had the SMGs in the back, to make sure the guys armed with rifles, advanced.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 26, 2022 08:33 PM (oHd/0)

311 The 7 states in question effectively banned both open AND concealed carry, making it impossible to defend yourself with a firearm outside of the home.
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I've already made my peace that if I defend myself with a firearm, I'll go to jail.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 08:34 PM (renZO)

312 Old Blue, the ammo thing is my real excuse on the aspirins today. Or at least a viable contributing cause. I just got a bunch of CCI Standard and CCI Suppressed and used the Standard instead of my $17.50/box Eley Match.
Cheap Bastige got Cheap Results.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:34 PM (rdxwq)

313 Just think of a Banzai! charge with SMGs instead of bolt action rifles.

Like the russians only more terrifying.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 08:31 PM (R/m4+)
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It is kind of curious because they were pretty current technologically in other areas. Probably because they thought so little of pistols that making a full-auto in that caliber was a non-starter.

Besides, rifles get bayonets!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:34 PM (llXky)

314 Just saw this. Are they affiliated with Century Arms?

Posted by: Javems
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Same company--it is droll because its full name is Century International Arms abbreviated CIA.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:34 PM (xA2KX)

315 S&W hits back:

https://youtu.be/iS_vJue18Mw

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 08:34 PM (a3Q+t)

316 Damaged finger issue...Close your eyes and dry fire...a LOT, develop a "New" muscle memory neuron rubric, with the your degree of sensitivity, until it is tattoo'd on your brain what it feels like when the trigger breaks.
I had half of two fingers smashed off on a drilling rig back in the early eighties, sewn back on, but loss of range of motion, sensitivity in one, nearly all feeling in the other. So much so that I once shot a 2 1/2" trim nail from a nail gun straight into the end of it and didn't even know it. flash forward 30 years, whacked that finger REALLY hard with a hammer while building scaffolds on a power plant, it turned black and swole up to twice it's size, soooper sensitive to pressure and swollen for over a month...but...when it finally healed up the feeling that had been gone for 30 years was back.

Posted by: Birddog at June 26, 2022 08:35 PM (uAI4S)

317 Red Army had entire units equipped with SMGs (PPSh-41s). Nice.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:35 PM (OTzUX)

318 295 Posted by: SD Kid at June 26, 2022 08:23 PM (AMIL/)
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Small. Compact even.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:30 PM (0IeYL)


Hmm. I would like a sort-of large frame. I've been using a Sig Mosquito for getting new shooters some experience. but I'm not overly impressed by
it. I've been thinking of getting a Beretta M-9A1-22 .22 LR as a replacement. Same size as the 9mm M-9. Anyone have any pros or cons on this Beretta? Thanks.

Posted by: SD Kid at June 26, 2022 08:36 PM (AMIL/)

319 Same company--it is droll because its full name is Century International Arms abbreviated CIA.
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Better than an acronym matching FBI!

Hmm. Frontier Ballistics International.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 08:36 PM (yikp0)

320 I taught both my son and grandson how to shoot with the Heratige Rough Riders. Simple to operate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 26, 2022 08:36 PM (BFigT)

321 They counted on *authority* to handle it. "The big boss said so, so shut up and comply" is so often their go-to.


Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:33 PM (Dcmpp)
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Yes, the Casey court quite literally tried to declare the discussion over. Alito properly skewered them for this.

They are completely at a loss, and all their flailing is just making them look both evil and incompetent.

Which is fun to watch.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:37 PM (llXky)

322 Thanks, RI Red and MAE. I will see if I can find it anywhere and take a chance on it. (I'm going for the 20ga, personally - it should be *really* manageable with that.)

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:37 PM (Dcmpp)

323 Well, everybody, good to be back. Mrs. Old Blue is ringing the dinner bell, so off to eat. See ya'll in the funny papers!

Posted by: Old Blue at June 26, 2022 08:37 PM (VNmG1)

324 Anne Francis > June Lockhart

FIGHT ME

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 26, 2022 08:38 PM (gpdYK)

325 317 Red Army had entire units equipped with SMGs (PPSh-41s). Nice.

Posted by: rhomboid
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They did learn something from the Finns spanking their butts. Overall, I prefer the Suomi for its ergonomics if I had to chose between the PPSh or the Suomi.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:38 PM (xA2KX)

326 Red Army had entire units equipped with SMGs (PPSh-41s). Nice.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:35 PM (OTzUX)
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Germans also liked them. Since they could take 7.63 Mauser ammo, it was possible to keep them running for the other side as well.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:38 PM (llXky)

327 Sorry Blaster. After all that talk at dinner, now I can't stop looking at ads for the Walther pdp F series ladies gun. The thought that i might actually be able to cc at some point in the near future....

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 08:39 PM (Y+l9t)

328
If the military and other branches of the federal government choose to offer abortion services that contravene local laws, I'd dare say that a breaking point will have been reached.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 26, 2022 08:40 PM (pNxlR)

329 Back to .380. I've mentioned it before, but my Ruger LCP goes everywhere with me, sometimes as BUG, but sometimes as primary.
Because it is so concealable it becomes the gun you always have instead of the one in the safe.
The size makes up for the mile-long trigger pull (although that makes it very safe for round in the chamber carry).
Snappy, but the long trigger pull keeps me on the front sight for longer. Better than minute of berm.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:41 PM (rdxwq)

330 Thanks for another good gun thread. Question for the group - there are lots of online videos and articles for concealed carry for women, which is great, but they are all thin, fit, women. Does anyone have a suggestion/resource for fat girls? I would love to carry on the inside of my thigh...IF I had a gap there. Ha! Yes yes I should lose weight, totally working on that, but in case that takes a while (ahem), then who's got the best how-to videos for plus size gals? Thanks!

Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 08:41 PM (jIWkt)

331 Hmm. I would like a sort-of large frame. I've been using a Sig Mosquito for getting new shooters some experience. but I'm not overly impressed by
it. I've been thinking of getting a Beretta M-9A1-22 .22 LR as a replacement. Same size as the 9mm M-9. Anyone have any pros or cons on this Beretta? Thanks.

Posted by: SD Kid at June 26, 2022 08:36 PM (AMIL/)
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Not a bad option. You can even get a conversion kit to switch them back and forth.

An even better choice - if you can find one - is the Beretta Cheetah. It's smaller than the 92, but still big enough to absorb recoil like a dream.

I took one to a mini MiMoMe and it was the belle of the ball. Ask Eris about it. All the ladies were demanding crates of them be brought forth for immediate purchase.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:41 PM (llXky)

332 We're at the "winning hearts and minds" stage?

Hm, Maybe we can call in a favor or two and get the South Vietnamese and ROKs to deploy here in America and clean up the Bolshevik problem. A little urban pacification.

Posted by: Common Tater at June 26, 2022 08:41 PM (3m11Z)

333 Andycanuck, the reason CIA for Century International Arms is a bit funny is that they, among other now defunct companies, did supply the CIA with arms in the past. Interarms was another and so was Samco.

These companies basically imported all sorts of sanitized firearms from regimes across the globe and fedgov could then supply those to various clients around the globe. Shady stuff there.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:42 PM (xA2KX)

334 Red Army had entire units equipped with SMGs (PPSh-41s). Nice.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:35 PM (OTzUX)

Exactly what the Japanese should have done. But their stoic command structure thought otherwise.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 08:42 PM (R/m4+)

335 Posted by: SD Kid at June 26, 2022 08:36 PM (AMIL/)

The M9's frame can be difficult to manage for shooters w/ small hands. If shooting double action, those w/ short fingers might not be able to reach the trigger effectively. Can't speak to the .22LR version, but I have nothing bad to say about the reliability and function of the 9mm GI version.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 08:43 PM (/lmRp)

336 BTW the Rough Rider .22 I have was a blemished matkdown to $99

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 26, 2022 08:43 PM (BFigT)

337 whig - make that *both* a Suomi and a PPSh-41 for me, please. Greedy that way.

AH Lloyd, correct. Even in the German newsreels from early on (summer ‘41) you frequently see Wehrmacht soldiers with PPSh-40s, the nicer forged/milled original version. And of course they captured enormous stockpiles of ammo too.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:43 PM (OTzUX)

338 328
If the military and other branches of the federal government choose to offer abortion services that contravene local laws, I'd dare say that a breaking point will have been reached.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 26, 2022 08:40 PM (pNxlR)

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I will post some especially vituperative tweets on Twitter.

#insurrectionNOW

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 26, 2022 08:43 PM (gpdYK)

339 If the military and other branches of the federal government choose to offer abortion services that contravene local laws, I'd dare say that a breaking point will have been reached.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 26, 2022 08:40 PM (pNxlR)
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I saw the Pentagon mouthing off about that. First question: what is the MOS for military abortionist?

Second question: how many serving members need abortions?

Third question: What existing regulations cover this procedure?

These people are desperate.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:43 PM (llXky)

340 Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 08:41 PM (jIWkt)
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Howdy lcmal! Hopefully you'll get lots of good suggestions.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:44 PM (0IeYL)

341 Alito teeing off on the dissenters in his concurrence.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:28 PM (llXky)

That certainly was some good reading. Basically telling them they didn't know what they were talking about, the 'evidence' they used was irrelevant, and the Constitution was unhappy with them.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:44 PM (Dcmpp)

342 Howdy lcmal! Hopefully you'll get lots of good suggestions.
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More likely, smartass comments from the usual peanut gallery.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 08:45 PM (renZO)

343 Dangit PSA still has $109 Rough Riders with the rebate.
HERITAGE ROUGH RIDER 6.5" .22 LR REVOLVER, US FLAG GRIPS - RR22B6USFLAG
Or a 4.75 inch barrel that is blued no flag grips.
Dang it. Talk me off the ledge peeps.
Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 08:21 PM


Of course. That's what we're here for. Now we know what you're thinking. "I want both, but I should only get one." Consider the numerous studies that show when people are on their deathbeds, they don't regret the things they've done nearly as much as the things they didn't do.

So back away from that 'only get one' ledge. C'mon, you can do it. That's it. Here, grab my hand.

Ok. Deep breath. Now go get them both. You're welcome.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 08:45 PM (a3Q+t)

344 Just what has the Gun Thread done to recognize Pride Month?!?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 08:32 PM (/HYuI)

Printed up rainbow targets?

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:46 PM (Dcmpp)

345
The K of C did security this weekend at our parish, the pastor said.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 08:46 PM (/U27+)

346 More likely, smartass comments from the usual peanut gallery.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 08:45 PM


You are far too young to be so cynical.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 08:46 PM (a3Q+t)

347 The 7 states in question effectively banned both open AND concealed carry, making it impossible to defend yourself with a firearm outside of the home. If you want to see a judicial pimp slap, read Alito teeing off on the dissenters in his concurrence.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26,
My son sent me a copy of the ruling telling me exactly where the Alito concurrence started(I am so proud of him) and stated that it was in plain English. Yes, it is. It is impossible not to laugh at the other dissenting justices. Their arguments had nothing to do with the constitution. It is brilliant and worth reading.
At 4'10" and 115lbs, I absolutely need cc otherwise I am sure to be overpowered if it was visible. In MD, I can't even carry in my car when car jackings have skyrocketed in the DMV.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 08:47 PM (Y+l9t)

348 So back away from that 'only get one' ledge. C'mon, you can do it. That's it. Here, grab my hand.

Ok. Deep breath. Now go get them both. You're welcome.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 08:45 PM (a3Q+t)
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Wait, I don't understand. These pistols have different barrel lengths.

Obviously, that means they are designed for different things.

Logic DEMANDS the purchase of both, otherwise one might be stuck with a weapon unable to meet specific needs.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:47 PM (llXky)

349 Good night all. Thank you Weasel. Time for a last supper. Have to fast for blood work Tuesday, they only call for twelve hours but I just say the hell with it and go in el puro.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 26, 2022 08:48 PM (lz5hY)

350 I have an RG 22 which is a cheap knock-off of the Rough Rider. A really crappy knock-off made in Germany.
It's 50 years old and still shoots well. And I've used it with brand new shooters to make them slow down and get used to single action.
That's also the lesson when we look at the cartridge and identify all the bits.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:48 PM (rdxwq)

351 Ed L, I though big military quit the 1911 for the M9 so as Private Daintyhands could qualify pistol? Or am I wrong? Went to boot camp in 68.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 08:48 PM (0OP+5)

352 Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 08:41 PM (jIWkt)
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Well, yeah....

You might try looking at some of the She Equips Herself videos where she discusses the pros and cons of various concealment styles.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:48 PM (0IeYL)

353 Century is a strange company. Back in the day, they would get pallets loaded with FAL's. Some full auto complete rifles and other parts and scraps. Pallets after pallets loaded to the brim.

They would sell this to that and build this and that and it was a hodgepodge of what went out the door.

If you know what your looking for and how to fix issues, their products work very well. If you want a shooter right out of the box you may be disappointed.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 08:48 PM (R/m4+)

354
At 4'10" and 115lbs, I absolutely need cc otherwise I am sure to be overpowered if it was visible. In MD, I can't even carry in my car when car jackings have skyrocketed in the DMV.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 08:47 PM (Y+l9t)

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Just call 911. You have a phone, right?

/s

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 08:49 PM (/U27+)

355 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at June 26, 2022 08:48 PM (lz5hY)
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Happy to do it! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:49 PM (0IeYL)

356 Anne Francis > June Lockhart

FIGHT ME
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 26, 2022 08:38 PM (gpdYK)

If it means I win both in the end, then sure!

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:49 PM (Dcmpp)

357 330 lcmal,
Try The Cornered Cat blog. I think the proprietor Kathy Jackson has more or less retired from training but her blog and past entries are still up. Lynn Givens of Rangemaster might also have put in some entries. Rangemaster puts out a free pdf newsletter each month packed with information and specifics regarding concealed carry.

Depending on your build and how you dress, there are specialty holster such as ankle holsters, shoulder holsters (requires a covering garment of course), outside the waistband (OWB), and so on. Belt Holsters do require a heavy belt which might or might not fit your style. Fanny pack or Sneaky Pete holsters are also useful or there are purses specifically designed for carry with a holster within.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:49 PM (xA2KX)

358 Does anyone have a suggestion/resource for fat girls?

My wife recently bought a corset-like undergarment with pockets on both sides. She's only worn it once so far, with a S&W 442, but said it was comfortable. Mostly, she carries in a purse of some sort.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 08:50 PM (nfrXX)

359 Just call 911. You have a phone, right?

/s
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 08:49 PM (/U27+)

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Please. Leave the gunplay to the pros.

Posted by: The Uvalde School District PD at June 26, 2022 08:50 PM (gpdYK)

360 Red Army had entire units equipped with SMGs (PPSh-41s). Nice.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:35 PM (OTzUX)

Exactly what the Japanese should have done. But their stoic command structure thought otherwise.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 08:42 PM


They could not make enough sub machine guns to equip entire units with them. They had the tooling in place in multiple factories to make Arisaka rifles since 1897 and were so hide bound they never thought to ramp up production of SMG's during the war. That assumes they could get them and the ammo for them to the troops that needed them which they could not do after June 1942.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 08:51 PM (bVYXr)

361 Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 08:41 PM

I posted a link for a belly band holster made for women last week; I don't have it handy, but if you search last week's GT for my nic, you should find it.

Women's concealment seems to be an area that's just beginning to get some real attention.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 08:52 PM (a3Q+t)

362 Smart azz as well as smart comments are all welcome. :-) Weasel, it was checking out She Equips Herself that got me thinking. I'll definitely spend time digging into her videos. I just know that some of those options are non-starters.

Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 08:52 PM (jIWkt)

363 Ditto on whig’s reco of Cornered Cat, always among my suggested resources for females looking to arm up.

Note: biologist apparently required when determining if a new gun owner is female.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:52 PM (OTzUX)

364 347 The 7 states in question effectively banned both open AND concealed carry, making it impossible to defend yourself with a firearm outside of the home. If you want to see a judicial pimp slap, read Alito teeing off on the dissenters in his concurrence.
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Is there a link to this?

Posted by: Ciampino - hungrier at June 26, 2022 08:53 PM (qfLjt)

365 The long road back to the range continues. Mrs. Splunge's Glock G48 has arrived, but she has to go fill out a form, and you would not believe her schedule. My light .22 S&W revolver is not here yet, but I've been getting reacquainted with a Ruger .22 with a bulldog barrel, and a S&W 6904 that I used to treasure, because it points just where my hand thinks it points.

I've laid in a supply of spare magazines, much to the dismay of my fingertips. Those springs on new magazines are tough! I'll probably use that iTarget thing that was favorably reviewed here before we venture out, but things are starting to look very very ready. Really looking forward to getting back into all of this.

Posted by: Splunge at June 26, 2022 08:53 PM (2hil/)

366 Second question: how many serving members need abortions?

Third question: What existing regulations cover this procedure?

These people are desperate.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:43 PM


The Hyde amendment prohibits the federal government including the US Military from performing or paying for abortions. There is one carve out for active duty military to get an abortion in the case of rape, but that's it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 08:53 PM (bVYXr)

367 Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 08:52 PM (jIWkt)
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Whig just made some great suggestions a few comments ago.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:53 PM (0IeYL)

368 Women's concealment seems to be an area that's just beginning to get some real attention.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 08:52 PM (a3Q+t)

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This is where really saggy breasts can be a real lifesaver.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 26, 2022 08:53 PM (gpdYK)

369 lcmal, I'll try not to make a peanut gallery comment, for SMH's sake.
Birthing people of the female persuasion have a special body build in the chest area that allows for carry beneath said area.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:54 PM (rdxwq)

370 lcmal, Welcome btw.

Sneaky Pete holsters are outside the waist holster that look like leather tablet computer or old timey cell phone holders. They have different markings on the exterior in differing colors such as disguised as a first aid kit or medicine carrier.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 08:54 PM (xA2KX)

371 "358 Does anyone have a suggestion/resource for fat girls?

My wife recently bought a corset-like undergarment with pockets on both sides. She's only worn it once so far, with a S&W 442, but said it was comfortable. Mostly, she carries in a purse of some sort.
Posted by: Oddbob "
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Did you just call your wife fat?

Posted by: Cosda at June 26, 2022 08:55 PM (sWy2N)

372 Wait, I don't understand. These pistols have different barrel lengths.

Obviously, that means they are designed for different things.

Logic DEMANDS the purchase of both, otherwise one might be stuck with a weapon unable to meet specific needs.


I've known one or two serious M1 collectors. I might be exaggerating a bit but only a bit:

"Yeah, I already have one exactly like it except that the head of the windage knob screw is different."

Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 08:55 PM (nfrXX)

373 If the military and other branches of the federal government choose to offer abortion services that contravene local laws, I'd dare say that a breaking point will have been reached.
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They'd have to toss the Hyde Amendment and Manchin won't sign on for that even if all the other Dems do.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 08:55 PM (yikp0)

374 who's got the best how-to videos for plus size gals? Thanks!
Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 08:41 PM (jIWkt)

I'm going to guess you will have to go to the men's videos, as several of them deal with being... extra-sized.

One suggestion if you're wearing pants or ankle-length skirts: ankle holster. It doesn't work for all guns, but if you carry something small enough, it really carries well, IMO. I use a Bug Bite for my .38/.357 derringer, and I like it. (I haven't tried it with the G3c, yet.)

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:55 PM (Dcmpp)

375 Okay, thanks again, Weasel! The great thing about this thread is that I always learn something, even at the ripe old age of 29.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:55 PM (llXky)

376 Splunge - for mag loading, git yerself a Maglula loader. Finger-saver.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:56 PM (OTzUX)

377 Red Army had entire units equipped with SMGs (PPSh-41s). Nice.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:35 PM (OTzUX)

Those were wicked. I had a chance to burn a few drums through one of those back in the 80's. I can't even describe what it was like. It didn't move much, and there was a weird star burst pattern to the muzzle flash. It fired really quick. It was somewhat crude looking. Definite fun.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 26, 2022 08:56 PM (VwHCD)

378 Since I am nearly certain to win the lottery, even though I don't play the lottery (yay optimism), maybe this is a good (meaning: perfectly insane) time to ask about the pros and cons of the Nighthawk Counselor.

https://www.nighthawkcustom.com/counselor

To paraphrase a webcomic:

"What does that pistol do, that your current pistols do not do?"

"Fill me with lust."

Posted by: Splunge at June 26, 2022 08:57 PM (2hil/)

379 Did you just call your wife fat?

Ya know, I started that comment with an explicit disclaimer but then deleted it because it thought it wiser to just not say anything. Perhaps I was mistaken.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 08:57 PM (nfrXX)

380 Weasel, HIYA!
And how is Fun-Size Joe's butthair?

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:57 PM (rdxwq)

381 Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at June 26, 2022 08:55 PM (llXky)
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Thank you, AHL!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 08:57 PM (0IeYL)

382 We were blessed in America during WW II to have both capability and capacity for designing and producing weaponry. Nobody else did. There's a lesson in there somewhere.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 08:57 PM (0OP+5)

383 376 Splunge - for mag loading, git yerself a Maglula loader. Finger-saver.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 26, 2022 08:56 PM (OTzUX)


Ooh. I like having sensation in my fingertips. You don't know how great it is, until it's gone. Will definitely check it out.

Posted by: Splunge at June 26, 2022 08:57 PM (2hil/)

384 Go to Supremecourt.gov
20-843_7j80

Alito concurrence starts on pg 70

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 08:57 PM (Y+l9t)

385 Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 08:48 PM (0OP+5)

M9's will still be around for some time to come, especially in the National Guard and Reserves. The M17/M18 pistols have the "firearm" (i.e. serial numbered item) as the mechanism inside the frame. Therefore, if Private Daintyhands has to transfer their weapon to Sergeant Bigpaw, the armorer can remove the mechanism from the "small" size frame and drop it into a "large" size frame. This way, the Army can use the same pistol for both the field forces and those who require conceal carry (i.e. CID, SOF, etc.) without having to buy two different firearms. Replacement frames are just another spare part.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 08:58 PM (/lmRp)

386 The K of C did security this weekend at our parish, the pastor said.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 08:46 PM (/U27+)

We didn't see a single protester today, driving all over town. But we only had one protest back during the Summer Of Burning that blocked one of the tunnels. And not much else at all.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 08:59 PM (Dcmpp)

387 330 Thanks for another good gun thread. Question for the group - there are lots of online videos and articles for concealed carry for women, which is great, but they are all thin, fit, women. Does anyone have a suggestion/resource for fat girls? I would love to carry on the inside of my thigh...IF I had a gap there. Ha! Yes yes I should lose weight, totally working on that, but in case that takes a while (ahem), then who's got the best how-to videos for plus size gals? Thanks!
Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 08:41 PM (jIWkt)


Welcome lcmal! The PHLster Concealment Workshop on Facebook (sorry) is a wealth of information for all body types and both (yeah, I said it!) genders. PHLster makes a concealment system called the Enigma (disclaimer -- I own one and like it very much), but the FB group is not exclusive to Enigma owners. Also, there are a number of tutorial articles and videos explaining concealed carry philosophy.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 26, 2022 08:59 PM (v23vE)

388 That assumes they could get them and the ammo for them to the troops that needed them which they could not do after June 1942.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 26, 2022 08:51 PM (bVYXr)

Excellent point.

It was for the best though in hindsight. But I always figured if the Eyeties could make a great SMG the Japs could too.

Beretta Model 38 FTW!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 08:59 PM (R/m4+)

389 380 Weasel, HIYA!
And how is Fun-Size Joe's butthair?
Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 08:57 PM (rdxwq)
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Hiya, Red! Hiya, Hiya, Hiya!!!!

FSJ Butt Fur Status: getting longer!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:01 PM (0IeYL)

390 I saw an interview of June Lockhart long ago and she made a hilarious comment about herself regarding "June is busting out all over".

Aaarowwwwww!!

Posted by: Tonypete at June 26, 2022 09:01 PM (Msys3)

391 Thanks! Here's a running list of what you all have shared:
She Equips Herself (youtube)
CorneredCat.com
Sneaky Pete holsters
Belly Band
Bra holster
Bug Bite
PHLster Concealment Workshop on Facebook 

Appreciate it!

Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 09:02 PM (jIWkt)

392 Did fun size joe get to close to the fire?

Posted by: Rancherbob at June 26, 2022 09:02 PM (gtu9W)

393 lcmal,
There is a bra based carrier-sigh--the Flash Bang holster you can look up.

Another variant is that there is are some clothes specifically for concealed carry with carry loops or even holsters added in secret pockets. Everything from T shirts (those are generally either for belly carry or under the armpit), to slacks (tactical 5.11 is one make), or even having customized tailoring integrating a holster into your clothing. In fall, many jackets or coats have pockets that can be used or you can buy one already done. There are also vests or oversized untucked patterned print shirts that can serve too.

Just remember, waist carry usually requires a reinforced belt that is fairly stiff. Ankle carry can work depending on covering garments but requires a unique drawing technique that is actually easier for women than men--works well in cars or a/c offices with desks where full length garments can be worn. Shoulder holsters require a covering garment as well as outside the waist carry (unless you use a Sneaky Pete and hide in plain sight).

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:03 PM (xA2KX)

394 Posted by: Splunge at June 26, 2022 08:53 PM (2hil/)

+1 for rhomboid's recommendation of the Maglula loader. You should be able to get them at your LGS for $25 or so. A small price to pay for not feeling pain in your fingers at the range.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 09:03 PM (/lmRp)

395 lcmal, another couple of ideas are there undershirts out there that have 'pockets' under the armpits (Kramer used to make them, don't know if they still do) for women and men. You might look for a vest (e.g.Coronado Leather) that has CCW pockets. Also pocket carry, if you wear pants with pockets. Said pants probably aren't all that stylish, though.

Remember (to paraphrase Clint Smith) CCW isn't to be comfortable, it's to be comforting.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:03 PM (a3Q+t)

396 We did have an additional deputy sheriff at Mass this morning for security but, it may have been due to our new Bishop celebrating Mass there instead of the Cathedral.

Nary a protestor to be seen.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 26, 2022 09:04 PM (Msys3)

397 There is a bra based carrier-sigh--the Flash Bang holster you can look up.

Wife tried one of those with an LCP. Didn't like it.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 09:04 PM (nfrXX)

398
There is one carve out for active duty military to get an abortion in the case of rape, but that's it.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS)


Swear that you are a rape victim and the military enlists you for the duration of the procedure.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 26, 2022 09:04 PM (63Dwl)

399 392 Did fun size joe get to close to the fire?
Posted by: Rancherbob at June 26, 2022 09:02 PM (gtu9W)
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Nah. "Fun Size Joe has long butt fur" is the "go" phrase. Not long yet, but getting there!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:04 PM (0IeYL)

400 Yeah, Weasel, I try to keep politics out of this thread, but last week's events point to this thread being even more practical. States refusing to comply with the Supremes? The DOD going against the Supremes? History is rhyming again.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:05 PM (rdxwq)

401 Ola, ca va?

No guns today, just dealing with hand grenades and inversion levels and high noise signatures due to atmospheric conditions. Grrrr.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:06 PM (bgJ0E)

402 Ooh. I like having sensation in my fingertips. You don't know how great it is, until it's gone. Will definitely check it out.

Posted by: Splunge
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Yep. I have neuropathy so fingers feel like I am wearing a glove. One way to rebuild your strength is start firing double action revolvers in double action. I find the neuropathy matters most when trying to manipulate and feel relatively light pressure. I have less difficulty with harder pressure.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:06 PM (xA2KX)

403 Maybe I have missed it, but I haven't seen a lot of discussion about the new Military rifle, the M5 which is replacing the M4, or the new 6.8x51 cartridge which is replacing the 5.56. This appears once again to be a case of the military fighting the last war; they were disappointed in the performance of the 5.56/ M4 in Afghanistan, so they are going back to something closer to the M14. That is heavy, with heavy ammo so the soldier can't carry as much of it.

Sigh.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at June 26, 2022 09:06 PM (ZEHVO)

404 A BAR bra??

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 09:06 PM (yikp0)

405 Speaking of FSJ, today was flea and tick stuff on the back of the neck day, and you would have thought his life were in danger from his little pitiful hunched over self.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:07 PM (0IeYL)

406 372 I've known one or two serious M1 collectors. I might be exaggerating a bit but only a bit:

"Yeah, I already have one exactly like it except that the head of the windage knob screw is different."


There but by the grace of God go I. I stopped after getting one example from every manufacturer (Springfield, IH, H&R and Winchester) in both .308 and the original 30-06 from CMP. I may get `1 more If CMP ever builds some Model D (sniper) specials

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 26, 2022 09:07 PM (cCxiu)

407 394 Posted by: Splunge at June 26, 2022 08:53 PM (2hil/)

+1 for rhomboid's recommendation of the Maglula loader. You should be able to get them at your LGS for $25 or so. A small price to pay for not feeling pain in your fingers at the range.
Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 09:03 PM (/lmRp)


+2 -- I have one and it relieved lots of strain on my thumbs.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 26, 2022 09:08 PM (v23vE)

408 In fall, many jackets or coats have pockets that can be used or you can buy one already done.
Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:03 PM (xA2KX)

I saw a fantastic leather jacket at the saddlery, with concealed holster pockets inside on each side. It was very nice (if you want a rugged, weathered look) and not a bad price for good leather. But I had boots to buy, so I'm waiting for fall.

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 09:08 PM (Dcmpp)

409 Nah. "Fun Size Joe has long butt fur" is the "go" phrase. Not long yet, but getting there!

I had never seen the original "Red Dawn" until recently and didn't know that it was the source of the lines "The chair is against the wall. John has a long mustache." I thought that was just some HQ meme.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 09:08 PM (nfrXX)

410
Perhaps I was mistaken.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 08:57 PM (nfrXX)

__________

If you're a husband, you always are.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 09:08 PM (/U27+)

411 396 Posted by: Tonypete at June 26, 2022 09:04 PM (Msys3)

Oddly there have been no incidents here in SW Louisiana, unless there was an unannounced happening Lake Charles or Alexandria.

The "Jane's Revenge" movement is largely Antifa larping and an international terror exercise unless I miss my guess.

Donkey feels their power slipping away, and a lot of idiocies are going to be fixed at the state and local level this decade.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:08 PM (Lzpvj)

412 Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:05 PM (rdxwq)
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Yup.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:08 PM (0IeYL)

413 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:06 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, amigo! Grenades sound fun!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

414 This appears once again to be a case of the military fighting the last war; they were disappointed in the performance of the 5.56/ M4 in Afghanistan, so they are going back to something closer to the M14. That is heavy, with heavy ammo so the soldier can't carry as much of it.
Sigh.
Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at June 26, 2022 09:06 PM (ZEHVO)

It is a weird time to change rifles/calibers. And why no love for the AR10? Smells like bribes and kickbacks and booze/whores got Sig the deal.

Time will tell.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 09:09 PM (R/m4+)

415 Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at June 26, 2022 09:06 PM (ZEHVO)

You did miss it. There was an extensive discussion about both the M5 and its cartridge in the thread last week.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 09:09 PM (/lmRp)

416
385 Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 08:48 PM (0OP+5)

M9's will still be around for some time to come, especially in the National Guard and Reserves. The M17/M18 pistols have the "firearm" (i.e. serial numbered item) as the mechanism inside the frame. Therefore, if Private Daintyhands has to transfer their weapon to Sergeant Bigpaw, the armorer can remove the mechanism from the "small" size frame and drop it into a "large" size frame. This way, the Army can use the same pistol for both the field forces and those who require conceal carry (i.e. CID, SOF, etc.) without having to buy two different firearms. Replacement frames are just another spare part.
Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 08:58 PM (/lmRp)
Yeah I know. I carried the 1911 and the M9 in uniform and I have a P320. The P320 and the M9 live in the safe and the 1911 gets carried occasionally. When the ray guns come out I doubt I will be around.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 09:10 PM (0OP+5)

417 403 Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at June 26, 2022 09:06 PM (ZEHVO)

Once you accept that the powers that be want the United States a bankrupt fangless paper tiger it all makes sense.

We are adopting a weapon's system that requires lower-powered ammo for training because the full power wears out the barrel in 1,000 rounds....

Thank God we are not beholden to the laws of thermodynamics, supply and demand, or soon gravity.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:10 PM (Lzpvj)

418 I saw a fantastic leather jacket at the saddlery, with concealed holster pockets inside on each side. It was very nice (if you want a rugged, weathered look) and not a bad price for good leather. But I had boots to buy, so I'm waiting for fall.

Posted by: GWB
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Nice. I bet it was a bit pricey. I make do with using the newer pockets on jackets that are about chest high for cellphones, etc.

Good for pocket carry of a revolver or small automatic.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:10 PM (xA2KX)

419 Oddbob, I thought those phrases were prewarnings to the French resistance that D-Day was happening.
I could look it up on Gargle, but no.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:11 PM (rdxwq)

420 Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 09:08 PM (nfrXX)
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Red Dawn = training film.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:11 PM (0IeYL)

421 I bet the guy in South Carolina who got chomped by an 11 ft alligator wished he had a gun on his person. The thing looks like a dinosaur.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 09:11 PM (Y+l9t)

422 414 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 09:09 PM (R/m4+)

The AR-10 was the perfect weapon for the mission profile they were highlighting and is easily the most accurate rapid fire .308 platform I have ever used.

Consequently we had to adopt a different design.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:11 PM (Lzpvj)

423 the newer pockets on jackets that are about chest high for cellphones, etc.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:10 PM (xA2KX)

Where do you carry your cellphone, then?

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 09:12 PM (Dcmpp)

424 @409 John has a long mustache was one of the Overlord codephrases. Nice callback from Milius.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 09:13 PM (6TxNR)

425 Duncanthrax, agree. CC is rarely comfortable but definitely comforting. I'll look into possible undershirt options. I'm good with IWB normally. I would just like to see a plus size gal youtube it and provide some real world feedback. The few gals I know who CC are slender so sometimes I feel like the only big gal carrying. It would be nice to hear more stories of experience. Like online shopping - we gravitate to the feedback that has picture/videos and circumstances similar to our own.

Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 09:13 PM (jIWkt)

426 Y'all are gonna love this:

LOL! Lefties want to burn down the homes of the "defenseless" country boys now

From some doofuses on reddit:

"The radical Christians are found in the rural areas. Their towns are defenseless, they have almost no cops and their firemen are volunteers. They have to borrow cops and firemen from neighboring jurisdictions miles away in order to handle anything big. And they think they're safe out there. Forget burning cities, cities are on our sides. It's time for rural areas to feel the heat."

https://tinyurl.com/mht8a5db

Pleasepleaseplease, Antifa, come to our rural AOs.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 09:13 PM (renZO)

427 423 Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 09:12 PM (Dcmpp)

around my right knee in a pocket designed for it in my pants....

reminded me of carpenter jeans frankly from my youth.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:13 PM (Lzpvj)

428 Ok, it's time for a couple of complaints, Weasel.

2. I hiyaed you near the top of the thread. You did not hiya back. Rumor says your not hiyaing back is becoming a recurring happenstance. Do we need to refer this to HR, which may cause a mark on your permanent record?

1. There have been no Executive Producer of WeaselAcres cameos on WeaselAcres GT videos for as long as I can remember. Now that I think about it, there haven't been any WeaselAcres GT videos lately, either. We don't just show up for the fashion tips, you know!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:14 PM (a3Q+t)

429 I've thought before that we need to work out some way to loan tools between ourselves. I mean specifically the kind of tools that are essential but infrequently used, like receiver wrenches and chamber gauges. Any ideas how to work something out over non-local distances?
Posted by: Oddbob

We used to do it with specialized motorcycle tools.
Person with tools packages them in a strong shipping box (well padded).
Person who wants to borrow them pays for shipping both ways.
If there is a line the borrower can ship them to the next person and the next person ships them back. (yeah someone might have to pay both ways and some would not. The tools are expensive so it didn't matter).

This only works in a trusted group... if someone gets the tools who isn't vetted they will not be returned.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 26, 2022 09:14 PM (SwXeF)

430 413 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:06 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, amigo! Grenades sound fun!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)


Is there a Garand rifle grenade range at those Texas MoMe things? I may have the requisite implements. Training (dummy) grenades, of course.

Posted by: SD Kid at June 26, 2022 09:14 PM (AMIL/)

431 426 Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 09:13 PM (renZO)

Quite, they are not thinking things through.

The leftoids are in "lashing out with impotent blind rage."

Of course in their minds should they lose the Feds will of course reenact "Mississippi Burning" and civil rights action the innocent to death.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:15 PM (Lzpvj)

432 413 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:06 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy, amigo! Grenades sound fun!
Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:09 PM (0IeYL)

They are until they do not go bang. Remember Mr Grenade is not your friend when the pin is out and the spoon comes off. Blowing dud grenades or blinds as we call them is always a pain in the arse. (hopefully not literally)

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:15 PM (bgJ0E)

433 You want to show up "100 deep" to take on the "radical Christian" country boys?

Good luck with that.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 09:15 PM (renZO)

434 lcmal,
I appendix carry with an elastic belly band. I have a G42 as my cc. It's pretty small, and I've had to practice quite a bit wearing it around. First the house, then a quick trip to fill up the gas tank or go to the grocery store.

It's important enough to spend some money and try a few. The owb holster I have for my PPQ is large, but in the perpetual rainy weather that is seattle, I can easily conceal under my raincoat.

I'm thinking to try a corset holster next.

Good luck!

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 09:15 PM (U2p+3)

435 Oddbob, I thought those phrases were prewarnings to the French resistance that D-Day was happening.
I could look it up on Gargle, but no.
*****
The phrases were broadcast by the allies to activate French resistance cells for D-Day. You can see it portrayed in the movie The Longest Day.

Posted by: Cosda at June 26, 2022 09:15 PM (sWy2N)

436 Hmm. I would like a sort-of large frame. I've been using a Sig Mosquito for getting new shooters some experience. but I'm not overly impressed by
it. I've been thinking of getting a Beretta M-9A1-22 .22 LR as a replacement. Same size as the 9mm M-9. Anyone have any pros or cons on this Beretta? Thanks.
Posted by: SD Kid at June 26, 2022 08:36 PM (AMIL/)

The 92-22 is great choice if you shoot Berettas.
If I wasn't heavily invested in other platforms, I'd buy one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 26, 2022 09:15 PM (xcxpd)

437 Is there a Garand rifle grenade range at those Texas MoMe things? I may have the requisite implements. Training (dummy) grenades, of course.
Posted by: SD Kid at June 26, 2022 09:14 PM (AMIL/)
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Well Garands make a regular appearance!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:15 PM (0IeYL)

438 We don't just show up for the fashion tips, you know!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:14 PM (a3Q+t)

Yes, we do, Duncan.
Especially those involving female carry.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:15 PM (rdxwq)

439 I am preparing the humble abode for sale. Our long time agent suggested I empty the 'ammo magazine' in the basement to some other secure location offsite.

I thought I was running low on a few items - she apparently didn't think so. She wasn't so much worried about the house presenting poorly - more likely some of it might walk away during showings.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 26, 2022 09:15 PM (Msys3)

440 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 09:09 PM (R/m4+)

The cartridge of the new 6.8mm X 51 round and its bi-metallic composition (stainless steel base, brass body) is the new tech the Army is betting on. The increased chamber pressure this round produces is the likely reason why the AR-10 didn't make the cut. You're getting 3,000+ FPS muzzle velocity out of the 13.5" barrel. You need very high chamber pressures to do that. That's more than a cartridge made of brass alone can take.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 09:16 PM (/lmRp)

441
The leftoids are in "lashing out with impotent blind rage."

_________

Impotence? Too much soy.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 09:16 PM (/U27+)

442 And thank you for this forum, weasel. It's awesome for us women to be able to ask questions and not be made fun of. Well. Mostly.

Thank you!

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 09:17 PM (U2p+3)

443 Tonypete

You buying that place in TN?

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 26, 2022 09:17 PM (u82oZ)

444 and the 1911 gets carried occasionally.
Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 09:10 PM


Yah, after you've been shamed motivated here.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:17 PM (a3Q+t)

445 Nurse R, we have been requesting pictures for some time, you know!

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:18 PM (rdxwq)

446 440 Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 09:16 PM (/lmRp)

It also blows the barrel out quicker, and likely has a negligible impact on lethality.

Hell I'd argue that the "with new super duper death touch" "feature" against a tier one military is a detriment given that wounded undermine combat efficiency in a unit more quickly than dead.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:18 PM (Lzpvj)

447 Remember legal full-auto?

WeaselAcres GT remembers.

[tips straw boater]

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at June 26, 2022 09:18 PM (yikp0)

448
It is a weird time to change rifles/calibers. And why no love for the AR10? Smells like bribes and kickbacks and booze/whores got Sig the deal.

Time will tell.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 09:09 PM (R/m4+)


NOOOOO. I shall not listen to such horrid accusations and nasty untruths. I simply will not. *sticks fingers in ears and runs away*

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:18 PM (bgJ0E)

449 Ignore everything Weasel said about impressing the Beer/Ammo mogul's daughter who also looks good in spandex!

Get behind your rifle, do exactly what Weasel and his padawan RI Red say to do (including the math!), and you will hit targets you can barely see!

And then go and have many conservative babies with said mogul's daughter!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (XIJ/X)

450
Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 09:17 PM (U2p+3)
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Thank you very much, nurse r. I rarely ever take anything seriously, as you have probably realized, but THAT is very important to me for this thread each week.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (0IeYL)

451 They are until they do not go bang. Remember Mr Grenade is not your friend when the pin is out and the spoon comes off. Blowing dud grenades or blinds as we call them is always a pain in the arse. (hopefully not literally)
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:15 PM (bgJ0E)

Back in the bad old days, we used to train with grenades in little tire buildings. Basically little huts built out of used tires. One session I threw the live grenade a little too hard at the opposite wall and it bounced out of the room.

Much hilarity ensued.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (R/m4+)

452 Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:14 PM (a3Q+t)

Oh dear. Not good. Are we now going to get Yoko-equivalent gun videos as punishment?

Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (Dcmpp)

453 441 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 09:16 PM (/U27+)

It really is galling how ill-educated the educrats are on what they are rioting over.

Literally all this ruling does is require the political process to be followed rather than having the leftoids run to "mom in the robe."

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (Lzpvj)

454
"The radical Christians are found in the rural areas. Their towns are defenseless, they have almost no cops and their firemen are volunteers. They have to borrow cops and firemen from neighboring jurisdictions miles away in order to handle anything big. And they think they're safe out there. Forget burning cities, cities are on our sides. It's time for rural areas to feel the heat."

https://tinyurl.com/mht8a5db

Pleasepleaseplease, Antifa, come to our rural AOs.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 09:13 PM (renZO)

Lol right? Dying in a hail of gunfire and getting buried in a corn field is no way to go through life.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (VwHCD)

455 You buying that place in TN?
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Trying to - it has a shitty primary already in place. We're the backup - ours is a better offer but you never know about these things.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 26, 2022 09:20 PM (Msys3)

456 Lol right? Dying in a hail of gunfire and getting buried in a corn field is no way to go through life.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (VwHCD)
___

Heh.

If some yahoos from StL wanna play, we'll play.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 09:21 PM (renZO)

457 Nobody would ever make fun of your shooting abilities, nurse.

Posted by: Woody LVIX at June 26, 2022 09:21 PM (a3Q+t)

458
Is there a Garand rifle grenade range at those Texas MoMe things? I may have the requisite implements. Training (dummy) grenades, of course.
Posted by: SD Kid at June 26, 2022 09:14 PM (AMIL/)

*Coughs* Err I actually have one of those things (launcher) and a sight for it.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:21 PM (bgJ0E)

459 Where do you carry your cellphone, then?

Posted by: GWB
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Cargo Pocket.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:22 PM (xA2KX)

460 The phrases were broadcast by the allies to activate French resistance cells for D-Day. You can see it portrayed in the movie The Longest Day.

I love this place. It's fun and educational!

Posted by: Oddbob at June 26, 2022 09:22 PM (nfrXX)

461 Welp, 9:23 thank you time!

Thank you! Thank you all!

I really mean it, guys and gals. Thanks for being here.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:23 PM (0IeYL)

462 HIYA, CBD!
I learned everything I know from the Master.
Uncle Sam did provide a few tips. Which I forgot in today's aspirin shoot.
Dammit.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:23 PM (rdxwq)

463 444 and the 1911 gets carried occasionally.
Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 09:10 PM

Yah, after you've been shamed motivated here.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:17 PM (a3Q+t)
I can't be shamed. I'm too dense.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 09:23 PM (0OP+5)

464 Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 09:13 PM (renZO)

Quote from pissed off SD rancher holding a .30-30 to animal rights activists protesting his prairie dog shoot:

Activists: "You can't do anything to us! We've got lawyers!"

Rancher: "I've got 1,000 acres. And shovels."

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 09:23 PM (/lmRp)

465 CharlieBrown'sDildo

He is right, The long term victory is to outbreed the Left, raise the children right, in a family with a mother and father.

Grandchildren will be your true wealth.

Meanwhile, the Left continues to reinforce failure. Now 150 years since the Paris Commune, and no improvement in sight.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 26, 2022 09:24 PM (u82oZ)

466
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (XIJ/X)
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Another satisfied customer!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:24 PM (0IeYL)

467 CBD!

*waves like idiot fangirl*

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 09:24 PM (U2p+3)

468 449 Ignore everything Weasel said about impressing the Beer/Ammo mogul's daughter who also looks good in spandex!

Get behind your rifle, do exactly what Weasel and his padawan RI Red say to do (including the math!), and you will hit targets you can barely see!

And then go and have many conservative babies with said mogul's daughter!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (XIJ/X)
Laugh, but I actually met a guy who married an ARMSCO princess.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 09:25 PM (0OP+5)

469 Thanks for hosting, Weasel.

Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 09:25 PM (/lmRp)

470 The Youtubes are full of very fit people telling you about how to carry. All kinds of marathon runner guys want to talk about appendix carry. There are no "how to appendix carry with a Dunlop" videos.

There are, however, a few "how to carry as a FAT guy" videos that are...disturbing.

I will commend, for women, Dene Adams. It's a woman owned company and they seem to understand that women come in various shapes. They have corsets and compression shorts that can be used by non-Stavros shaped ladies.

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 09:25 PM (6TxNR)

471
Literally all this ruling does is require the political process to be followed rather than having the leftoids run to "mom in the robe."
Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (Lzpvj)

_______

And in most places that political process works against them. I'm certainly mistaken, but it strikes me that outside of the coastal states the extreme abortion position is a total loser.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 09:26 PM (/U27+)

472 Eromero
If you won't carry that 1911, please donate it to me, as I will give it all the love and attention it desert.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 09:26 PM (U2p+3)

473 Non-Stavroula. Stavros would be a guy. Of course, what do I look like, a biologist or something?

Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 09:26 PM (6TxNR)

474 Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:23 PM (rdxwq)
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You did the work, brother!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:26 PM (0IeYL)

475 Agree with your sentiment nurse. Thanks Weasel! Will check out the suggestions. Until next time, stay salty friends.

Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 09:26 PM (jIWkt)

476 Say a hawt babe, the heiress to her family beer and ammo manufacturing empire who is temporarily home from her assignment as a super-model, invites you to her private range for a day of rifle shooting and you want to impress her with your super-ninja precision shooting abilities....blah, blah, blah....

SIGH

The obvious answer to your conundrum is to forget about impressing her with how well you shoot your rifle, and instead impress her with "The Big Iron On Your Hip", IYKWIMAITTYD....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at June 26, 2022 09:27 PM (SRRAx)

477 Hear, hear, Salty. I'm trying to encourage Jr. and FDIL to procreate soon. Especially before I'm too old to pass on certain values and skills.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:27 PM (rdxwq)

478 lcmal

I am your Salty friend.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 26, 2022 09:27 PM (u82oZ)

479
Much hilarity ensued.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (R/m4+)

Yes, grenade range design is interesting. Best thing in the world is to get back to your room after a hard days chucking bags full of grenades around, dropping your gear down, as you go for a shower and watching two live grenades roll out of your webbing, the ones you had forgotten about clink together on the floor. Oh well, use those ones tomorrow.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:27 PM (bgJ0E)

480 Posted by: Ed L at June 26, 2022 09:25 PM (/lmRp)
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My pleasure, Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:27 PM (0IeYL)

481 Oh dear. Not good. Are we now going to get Yoko-equivalent gun videos as punishment?
Posted by: GWB at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM


No, no, the videos are really excellent, WHEN they're posted. They are very occasionally highly-embarrassing for Weasel, but fortunately for us, the Executive Producer insists such moments be saved, rather than cut fr the blooper reel.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:28 PM (a3Q+t)

482 Thanks Weasel

I love Sundays.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 09:28 PM (Y+l9t)

483 471 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 09:26 PM (/U27+)

as it is in ALL of the civilized world the donks love to pretend they want to emulate....

Literally the "evil MS law" is more permissive than France, Germany, and Sweden's.

There is no reason 90+ percent of the time for an abortion to take 4 months of dithering.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:28 PM (Lzpvj)

484 {{{Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief }}}

That is called a thick wallet.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 26, 2022 09:28 PM (u82oZ)

485
There are, however, a few "how to carry as a FAT guy" videos that are...disturbing.

Does Lizzo have any carry tips?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 26, 2022 09:29 PM (63Dwl)

486 Say a hawt babe, the heiress to her family beer and ammo manufacturing empire who is temporarily home from her assignment as a super-model, invites you to her private range for a day of rifle shooting and you want to impress her with your super-ninja precision shooting abilities....blah, blah, blah....



Okay, sounds great as far as it goes but did anyone ask "how big is her boat?"

Posted by: Tonypete at June 26, 2022 09:29 PM (Msys3)

487 I will commend, for women, Dene Adams. It's a woman owned company and they seem to understand that women come in various shapes. They have corsets and compression shorts that can be used by non-Stavros shaped ladies.
Posted by: blaster at June 26, 2022 09:25 PM (6TxNR)

Thanks, will look into it!

Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 09:29 PM (jIWkt)

488
Lol right? Dying in a hail of gunfire and getting buried in a corn field is no way to go through life.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 26, 2022 09:19 PM (VwHCD)

________

Save ammo. Use a baseball bat.

https://youtu.be/SgHjkCHb_7Y

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 09:30 PM (/U27+)

489 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 26, 2022 09:28 PM (Y+l9t)
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Pleasure to see you here each week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:30 PM (0IeYL)

490 Thank you Weasel, for another excellent Gun Thread.

I learn from all the content. Hope to practice in September when my local range opens up.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 26, 2022 09:30 PM (u82oZ)

491 Tonypete, it's called a yacht.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:30 PM (rdxwq)

492 Thanks Weasel for this thread.

Been a nice thing to look forward each week to when the political skies have been so grim and AOS commenters being a might high strung about it all.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:30 PM (xA2KX)

493 Weasel, thank you for the gub thread.

folks, i'm going to be scarce this next week. my father has passed and Smash & I will be gone so to speak dealing with it.

prayers will be appreciated, but don't worry about me if you don't hear from me. i got Smash & Junior-ette taking care of me.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 26, 2022 09:31 PM (UgAdJ)

494 Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 26, 2022 09:30 PM (u82oZ)
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My pleasure, Salty!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:31 PM (0IeYL)

495 I am your Salty friend.
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 26, 2022 09:27 PM (u82oZ)

Why so you are! Have a good week salty dog.

Posted by: lcmal at June 26, 2022 09:31 PM (jIWkt)

496 Have a great night, everyone.

May we never need those honed skills. But the better we collectively are, the less they may be needed.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 26, 2022 09:32 PM (u82oZ)

497 Bif, best regards. Went through that last year.

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:33 PM (rdxwq)

498 I have just adopted a Beretta Neos in .22lr, with the 4" bull, vented barrel. Very Buck Rogers-ish gun, with a far more raked grip angle than I like, but hell..the adoption fee was cheap! Bonus, it came with 1,000 rds. of puppy chow!

Maybe I ought to post this in next Saturday's Pet Thread?


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 26, 2022 09:33 PM (tkOps)

499 Prayers up, Bif.

Niters, Salty.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 09:33 PM (renZO)

500 307: the pro-abortion side has also been changing hearts and minds in an unintended fashion. Being flippant did not help them. They were and are absolutely crass. They view a fetus the same way I view a turd forming in a colon, which isn’t right.

In my youth I could have joined the Dark Side but the Left did everything in their power to run me off.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 26, 2022 09:33 PM (CdZ4i)

501 If you won't carry that 1911, please donate it to me, as I will give it all the love and attention it desert.
Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 09:26 PM


There are many 1911s. But there is only one you really want.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:33 PM (a3Q+t)

502 Did you just call your wife fat?

Ya know, I started that comment with an explicit disclaimer but then deleted it because it thought it wiser to just not say anything. Perhaps I was mistaken.
Posted by: Oddbob

In regards to last post: Can i haz your tools?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 26, 2022 09:33 PM (ID+Qb)

503 Maybe I ought to post this in next Saturday's Pet Thread?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at June 26, 2022 09:33 PM (tkOps)

Yes please.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 26, 2022 09:34 PM (R/m4+)

504 496 Have a great night, everyone.

May we never need those honed skills. But the better we collectively are, the less they may be needed.

Posted by: NaCly Dog
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Ditto.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:34 PM (xA2KX)

505 Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:30 PM (xA2KX)
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Thank you, whig. I try and keep things generally apolitical and focused on fun gun stuff for that very reason. Sometimes the worlds collide, and that's OK, but I think it's nice to have a place to get away from that. Appreciate your being here.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:34 PM (0IeYL)

506 Peace be with you. Bif.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 09:35 PM (U2p+3)

507 492 Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:30 PM (xA2KX)

Amen, I have been traveling recently so reading more than posting.

That said I think it would be wrong to say "we are winning" but things are coming to a head and I think in the end some new sanity will prevail.

The amount of hope the election of the republican in Texas gave me is boundless.

The educrat is selling something the immigrants are not buying, and we will wind up with more of what we seek than the donks get. My economic preferences will be dead, nothing will stop the creep towards smiley face socialism the newer better "Americans" want but the donks think they are importing little Trigglypuffs rather than people who want a crack at American success.

I will lose and not get what I want, but I have been getting used to getting curb stomped my entire life whereas the left was suckled to Stalin's bosom with "your endless victory is inevitable."

They will take their loss less well.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:35 PM (Lzpvj)

508
According to the aborticomaniacs:

Just conceived fetus: a random clump of cells

Full-term fetus: a random clump of cells

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 09:35 PM (/U27+)

509 BifBewalski, I am so sorry for your loss

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 26, 2022 09:35 PM (kf6Ak)

510 498 I have just adopted a Beretta Neos in .22lr, with the 4" bull, vented barrel. Very Buck Rogers-ish gun, with a far more raked grip angle than I like, but hell..the adoption fee was cheap! Bonus, it came with 1,000 rds. of puppy chow!

Maybe I ought to post this in next Saturday's Pet Thread?

Posted by: Jim
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Always wondered about those pistolas. The appearance put me off.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:36 PM (xA2KX)

511 And thank you for this forum, weasel. It's awesome for us women to be able to ask questions and not be made fun of. Well. Mostly.

Thank you!
Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna

Awww...who would make fun of you ?

Posted by: JT at June 26, 2022 09:36 PM (arJlL)

512
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Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 09:36 PM (/U27+)

513 493 Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 26, 2022 09:31 PM (UgAdJ)

My condolences, my sister died this year and pop is not getting younger.

You have my sympathy and empathy.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:36 PM (Lzpvj)

514 Tonypete -

Happy Anniversary to you and the Missus !

Posted by: JT at June 26, 2022 09:37 PM (arJlL)

515 Yeah, Sunday nights are great. Lately, Jr. and FDIL have been doing Sunday dinner here (which accounts for being late. Ish.).
Then, combined Horde knowledge, hosted by our host.
Life is good.
Night, all. Night, Weasel, WW, WD and FSJ!

Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:37 PM (rdxwq)

516 There are many 1911s. But there is only one you really want.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

Well. Two.
Or three. DBCooper has a beautiful Dan Wesson and I also love weasel's compact Kimber.

And yours.

So many. So goooood.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 09:37 PM (U2p+3)

517 Posted by: RI Red at June 26, 2022 09:37 PM (rdxwq)
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Goodnight, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:38 PM (0IeYL)

518 .Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 26, 2022 09:31 PM (UgAdJ)

That's tough. Best of luck.

Posted by: Javems at June 26, 2022 09:38 PM (AmoqO)

519 Damn Bif, I'm so sorry.

Posted by: jewells45 at June 26, 2022 09:38 PM (nxdel)

520 454: I am dying for those jokers to try something in a rural area. There is a reason why you don’t mess around in rural TX.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 26, 2022 09:39 PM (CdZ4i)

521 Thank you, whig. I try and keep things generally apolitical and focused on fun gun stuff for that very reason. Sometimes the worlds collide, and that's OK, but I think it's nice to have a place to get away from that. Appreciate your being here.

Posted by: Weasel
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You run a tight ship Weasel. I also appreciate the other cobs keeping the weekend threads uncluttered with the present unpleasantness except in designated areas.

Everyone needs a chance to catch their breath now and again otherwise we will not get through the next 2 years or so without blowing gaskets.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:39 PM (xA2KX)

522 The retired triple boarded 48G4 I recommends:
finger strength exercise to fix the smashed finger issue - must be a grip issue as noted above.
Prohands Gripmaster Rehab Hand Exerciser, Finger Exerciser (Hand Grip Strengthener), Spring-Loaded, Finger-Piston System, Added Palm Cushion
Available via Bezos; I recommend medium, strong and extra strong versions, exercise each finger separately; great for musicians too.

Posted by: epador at June 26, 2022 09:39 PM (JfQmR)

523 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!

I'm currently in hiding from bluebell. For very trivial yet hilarious reasons.

Posted by: Muad'dib at June 26, 2022 09:40 PM (eyOr9)

524 >>>In MD, I can't even carry in my car when car jackings have skyrocketed in the DMV.

>It's horrible that the burden of local policies should place unnecessary and foolish restrictions upon your rights.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 26, 2022 09:40 PM (0ocXn)

525 Thanks JT! We appreciate it.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 26, 2022 09:41 PM (Msys3)

526 {{{hugs}}} Bif.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at June 26, 2022 09:42 PM (SRRAx)

527 I am dying for those jokers to try something in a rural area. There is a reason why you don’t mess around in rural TX.

Posted by: Cow Demon
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It was little noted, but aunty fa decided to show up at Auburn Univ to protest some speaker in their typical garb. What they did not expect was that the local pd took off their masks and took away their toys.

It seems that Alabama (and most southern states) have anti KKK laws that forbid going around masked with harmful toys.

They went home with their tails between their legs.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:42 PM (xA2KX)

528 523 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!

I'm currently in hiding from bluebell. For very trivial yet hilarious reasons.
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 26, 2022 09:40 PM (eyOr9)
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My pleasure!
I think you'll be fine in another 75 years or so.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:42 PM (0IeYL)

529
Thanks JT! We appreciate it.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 26, 2022 09:41 PM (Msys3)

_________

It's your anniversary? "Hold hands, you lovebirds!"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 26, 2022 09:42 PM (/U27+)

530 501 If you won't carry that 1911, please donate it to me, as I will give it all the love and attention it desert.
Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 09:26 PM

There are many 1911s. But there is only one you really want.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:33 PM (a3Q+t)
Yeah, she doesn't want this RIA 1911, she wants that one made out of a freaking meteorite.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 09:45 PM (0OP+5)

531 I'm currently in hiding from bluebell. For very trivial yet hilarious reasons.
Posted by: Muad'dib at June 26, 2022 09:40 PM


You can run, but you'll just die tired. She drives that black muscle car, you know.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:45 PM (a3Q+t)

532 Posted by: epador at June 26, 2022 09:39 PM (JfQmR)
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Thanks! I'll make sure Sock Monkey gets this.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:46 PM (0IeYL)

533 Thanks JT! We appreciate it.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 26, 2022 09:41 PM (Msys3)

_________

It's your anniversary? "Hold hands, you lovebirds!"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

https://tinyurl.com/y5fyxkpp

Posted by: JT at June 26, 2022 09:46 PM (arJlL)

534
You can run, but you'll just die tired. She drives that black muscle car, you know.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:45 PM (a3Q+t)

Mr Weasel, I have some more gub pics to send you. That line reminded me.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:46 PM (bgJ0E)

535 When you get your Rough Rider don't forget to order (factory direct) a 22 WMR cylinder for it. I think it was around $30. Worth it...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 26, 2022 09:47 PM (xre9n)

536 Please bring your heat to my rural area. I welcome you. Don't worry about a return validation on your uber.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 26, 2022 09:48 PM (V1WX8)

537 Yeah, she doesn't want this RIA 1911, she wants that one made out of a freaking meteorite.
Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 09:45 PM


She said IF you weren't going to carry it. I think that means she wants you to carry it more. You're not going to disappoint nurse, are you?

Well, are you?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 09:48 PM (a3Q+t)

538 For various reasons, just a lurker tonight, but as usual our gracious host Weasel has managed to oversee a most informative and interesting thread. Thank you good sir for your efforts to enlighten and entertain us!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 26, 2022 09:49 PM (hOUT3)

539 Bif, I'm sorry to hear of your loss. May GOD Bless and Keep you through this sad time.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 09:49 PM (0OP+5)

540 Don't worry about a return validation on your uber.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 26, 2022 09:48 PM (V1WX


What uber?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 26, 2022 09:50 PM (hOUT3)

541
Mr Weasel, I have some more gub pics to send you. That line reminded me.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at June 26, 2022 09:46 PM (bgJ0E)
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I'll be on the lookout! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:50 PM (0IeYL)

542 As always, thanks for the gub, Weasel. Prayers up for ya, Bif. G'nite, all.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 26, 2022 09:51 PM (Xrfse)

543 Bif, I'm sorry to hear of your loss. May GOD Bless and Keep you through this sad time.
Posted by: Eromero

Seconded

Posted by: JT at June 26, 2022 09:52 PM (arJlL)

544 Hiya JT!

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 09:53 PM (U2p+3)

545
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 26, 2022 09:49 PM (hOUT3)
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Thanks Hrothgar!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:54 PM (0IeYL)

546 Seattle "pride" today included a clothing optional water fountain event.

Look at the micro penis on this pervert.

https://bit.ly/3HRJDjG

Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 09:55 PM (i0wNm)

547 Hiya Nurse !

Have a safe evening !

Posted by: JT at June 26, 2022 09:55 PM (arJlL)

548 Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 26, 2022 09:51 PM (Xrfse)
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Happy to do it. Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:55 PM (0IeYL)

549 It was little noted, but aunty fa decided to show up at Auburn Univ to protest some speaker in their typical garb. What they did not expect was that the local pd took off their masks and took away their toys.

It seems that Alabama (and most southern states) have anti KKK laws that forbid going around masked with harmful toys.

They went home with their tails between their legs.

Posted by: whig at June 26, 2022 09:42 PM (xA2KX)

I saw a video where Alabama State Troopers un-masked a blue hair gal, all in black, on her way on campus. She was carrying a wooden stick. When they let her go, as she walked off, one trooper said " Hey, you forgot your stick". Tickled me.

Posted by: Javems at June 26, 2022 09:56 PM (AmoqO)

550 folks, i'm going to be scarce this next week. my father has passed and Smash & I will be gone so to speak dealing with it.

prayers will be appreciated, but don't worry about me if you don't hear from me. i got Smash & Junior-ette taking care of me.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 26, 2022 09:31 PM (UgAdJ)


Bif, prayers for you and your family in this time of mourning.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 26, 2022 09:56 PM (v23vE)

551 Nancy Pelosi elbows young girl away from her.

https://bit.ly/3A6O2NN

For extra outrage points, the girl appears to be a minority.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 09:57 PM (i0wNm)

552 Condolences, Bif.

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 09:58 PM (0IeYL)

553 Look at the micro penis on this pervert.
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No, you can't make me.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 09:58 PM (renZO)

554 551 Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 09:57 PM (i0wNm)

In Nanzi's defense as an Italian old enough to remember Emperor Tiberius she knows what rapscallions the Iberians are.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 09:59 PM (Lzpvj)

555 folks, i'm going to be scarce this next week. my father has passed and Smash & I will be gone so to speak dealing with it.

prayers will be appreciated, but don't worry about me if you don't hear from me. i got Smash & Junior-ette taking care of me.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 26, 2022 09:31 PM (UgAdJ)

Please accept my condolences, Bif. Been there myself, many years ago now.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2022 09:59 PM (0/3Jd)

556 > No, you can't make me.

It's hilarious.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 10:00 PM (i0wNm)

557 Look at the micro penis on this pervert.
___

No, you can't make me.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming

Not even a quick peek-a-boo ?

Posted by: JT at June 26, 2022 10:01 PM (arJlL)

558 That's a a very small weenie.

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 10:01 PM (U2p+3)

559 That's a a very small weenie.
Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna

No Milton Berle ?

Posted by: JT at June 26, 2022 10:02 PM (arJlL)

560 555 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2022 09:59 PM (0/3Jd)

Losing parents sucks, losing siblings it turns out is probably more pressuring to one's psyche but less painful emotionally.

Lost mom to cancer back in 2001 aged 56 to liver, lung, brain cancer.....

lost sister this year aged 56 to liver, lung, brain cancer....

lost Grandma in 2001 aged 76 to liver, lung brain cancer....

evidently abstaining from booze and smokes gives you a spare 20 years.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 10:02 PM (Lzpvj)

561 Pass.

You've seen one little dick, you've seen 'em all.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 10:02 PM (renZO)

562 561 Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 10:02 PM (renZO)

I watched a 6 foot 2 pen*s for what 8 years from 2008-2016?

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 10:03 PM (Lzpvj)

563 546 Seattle "pride" today included a clothing optional water fountain event.

Look at the micro penis on this pervert.

https://bit.ly/3HRJDjG

Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 09:55 PM (i0wNm)

He's transitioning.

Posted by: Javems at June 26, 2022 10:03 PM (AmoqO)

564 Nood

Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 10:03 PM (U2p+3)

565 I saw a video where Alabama State Troopers un-masked a blue hair gal, all in black, on her way on campus. She was carrying a wooden stick. When they let her go, as she walked off, one trooper said " Hey, you forgot your stick". Tickled me.
Posted by: Javems at June 26, 2022 09:56 PM (AmoqO)

They ought to unmask them, take mugshots, take fingerprints, strip them naked and catalog all tattoos and other identifying marks, so if a corpse turns up in a cornfield, they will be able to ID it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 26, 2022 10:03 PM (0/3Jd)

566 lol sven.

2001-2009 for me.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 26, 2022 10:03 PM (renZO)

567 OK, ONT is up, y'all! Thanks again for being here and hope to see all y'all next Sunday.

Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 10:04 PM (0IeYL)

568 The little girl Pelosi elbowed away from her is Maya Flores' daughter.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 10:04 PM (i0wNm)

569 568 Posted by: bonhomme at June 26, 2022 10:04 PM (i0wNm)

Long time readers may recall back in 2012 my joking about Urkle being an etch a sketch imaginary man wanting "Lucy Suarez" as a Republican....

No offense meant Madam Flores answers that.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 10:05 PM (Lzpvj)

570 If a person lives long enough ad events don't get em, cancer just might catch up to em.

Posted by: Eromero at June 26, 2022 10:05 PM (0OP+5)

571 Losing parents sucks, losing siblings it turns out is probably more pressuring to one's psyche but less painful emotionally.

Lost mom to cancer back in 2001 aged 56 to liver, lung, brain cancer.....

lost sister this year aged 56 to liver, lung, brain cancer....

lost Grandma in 2001 aged 76 to liver, lung brain cancer....

evidently abstaining from booze and smokes gives you a spare 20 years.
Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 10:02 PM (Lzpvj)


You've had a tough road, Sven. Sorry to hear it.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 26, 2022 10:06 PM (v23vE)

572 567 OK, ONT is up, y'all! Thanks again for being here and hope to see all y'all next Sunday.

Nite!
Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 10:04 PM (0IeYL)


Great discussion tonight. Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 26, 2022 10:08 PM (v23vE)

573 571 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 26, 2022 10:06 PM (v23vE)

Thanks people here helped me cope, I also have a 1/2 sister in the sanitorium with severe dementia.

The horde helped me cope, my hypothesis unforunately unprovable thanks to sister not donating her body to science like mom and grandma is that there is a genetic trait the women of the bloodline risk.

Stern "uncle sven" had to remind his nephews forcefully to remind their daughters to watch their health.

Posted by: sven at June 26, 2022 10:09 PM (Lzpvj)

574 That's a a very small weenie.
Posted by: nurse ratched, just call me Pollyanna at June 26, 2022 10:01 PM


I hear the water's cold in Seattle.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 26, 2022 10:09 PM (a3Q+t)

575 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 26, 2022 10:08 PM (v23vE)
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Thanks, S'puppy!

Posted by: Weasel at June 26, 2022 10:11 PM (0IeYL)

576 Absolutely love my Walther P22. The only ammo I’ve ever had any issue with is Federal. I always get FTE on this ammo
The issue is a VERY slight difference in the shape of the rim. The Federal ammo has a slight rounding of the upper side of the rim, and the extractor can’t get a good purchase on these rounds.

Posted by: PMRich at June 26, 2022 10:44 PM (eh5ud)

577 AVS WIN!

Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 26, 2022 10:49 PM (eiN05)

578 AVALANCHE!!!!!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at June 26, 2022 11:32 PM (/UQ/R)

579 Wow, Midnight here and its FINALLY below 80 degrees so I can open up the house.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 27, 2022 03:11 AM (oHd/0)

580 Pity the comment engine here is so bad. I'll never know if I get any responses.
So back in May I ordered a new rifle. A Ruger PC carbine in 40ca. Paid half up front for a deposit.
Called yesterday, no gun yet, no idea when they'll have it.
Is this normal? In this state I have to go through a FFL dealer, so I don't know what other path I can take to acquire the gun I want.

Posted by: John the River at June 27, 2022 06:19 AM (/3goP)

581 Hiya.
I shoot a lot of clays in both 12ga and 20ga. The problem is that NOBODY has powder or primers. I use Red Dot because it's so versatile. nada. Also a severe shortage of Wi. AA low brass once fired hulls. Maybe have a list of places that currently stock powder and primers as well as ammo?
Just a thought.

Posted by: Brad Mueller at June 27, 2022 07:46 AM (XHvIG)

582 Posted by: John the River at June 27, 2022 06:19 AM (/3goP)

Watch Ace's home page to see if the thread is still open or not. It generally goes dormant around 10pm Eastern when the Overnight Thread is published. Bring your question next week between 7pm and 9pm and there should be loads of folks willing to answer.

Posted by: Brad Mueller at June 27, 2022 07:46 AM (XHvIG)

We've discussed primers and reloading. But folks won't be back to comment on this thread - we don't want to incur the wrath of Pixy. So, like John, above, bring your question next week, and we'll talk about it.

Posted by: GWB at June 27, 2022 07:57 AM (Dcmpp)

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