Morning Rant: The Wrong Track
Dave in Fla [Guest Monkey]

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Former GOP House Speaker John Boehner strongly criticized the so-called 'America First Caucus,' saying it "has no place in the Republican Party." - Newsweek, April 2021

We often have a good bit of discussion regarding the uselessness of the Republican Party. It is fair to say that we now know that the traditional GOP that we spent decades supporting has at best paid lip service to our political desires. They talk a good game when they want our votes, then when we want legislation enacted or opposed, it "isn't the hill to die on". Or they actively take the other side.

But there is pushback. The disaffection with "business as usual" that the GOP coopted (and quashed) in the Tea Party movement has morphed from fiscal conservatism to a populism. And this new movement, embodied in Make America Great Again is proving to be harder for the traditional GOP to stamp out.

The quote above was during a little noticed dirty trick that played out last year. There has been talk of establishing an "America First" caucus in Congress, much like the Tea Party caucus a decade ago. People like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert are obvious members to join. Last year a document was "circulating" that called for promoting a "common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions". The language used was carefully selected to sound like prioritizing American interests, while just barely crossing the line into racism. The problem is that no one in Congress actually created the document. Greene was accused of sponsoring the policy positions, but she had never seen the document. It was a dirty trick to try to discredit the nascent America First movement before it could gain political momentum.

Today there are two operating philosophies in the Republican Party, largely defined by the establishment GOP and the MAGA GOP. I would characterize the two factions as follows:

Establishment:
- Corporatists who support any cause that benefits large businesses
- Pro military as a means of imposing American policy worldwide
- Liberal or agnostic on social issues, paying lip service as needed to get votes
- Pro-immigration in order to ensure cheap labor is available
- Free trade as a means of increasing corporate profits
- Currently controls the levers of power and money within the party

MAGA:
- Populists who support causes that benefit the business environment and American workers
- Pro military as a means of defending American interests and as a source of pride in traditional American values
- Conservative on social issues and wanting real change to revitalize the American moral fiber
- Opposes illegal immigration understanding that it drives down wages for working class Americans
- Fair trade as a means of boosting American interests and American workers
- Represents the vast majority of Republican and Republican leaning voters

The MAGA philosophy also encompasses a large number of Independents and Democrats who are turned off by the philosophy of the radical Left. These are the middle-class union workers and second-generation Hispanic immigrants who are willing to support a Republican candidate, but who are vehemently opposed to Corporatism.

In the 2022 midterms, these two camps are fighting for dominance. In the aftermath of the upcoming election, the Establishment GOP will continue to retain control of the party, however they will lose some of their influence. Trump and others are working during the primaries to endorse candidates that they believe will support the MAGA GOP priorities, and Trump in particular has been very successful. As of today, Trump endorsed candidates are 123-10 in their elections. The Trump endorsement is highly coveted, as just seen in Alabama. Katie Britt practically begged Trump for the endorsement in her primary, and it paid off in her runoff victory against Mo Brooks.

Trump has backed many incumbents, which is certainly helping his winning percentage. For example, he has endorsed Kevin McCarthy in his election and for Speaker of the House. The strategy is two-fold. He would like to get people in office who agree with his populist philosophy, but he also wants people in office that are indebted to him.

Regardless of which philosophy dominates the Republican party moving forward, Republicans have a decisive advantage going into the midterms. While they disagree on important policy points, both sides are united in their desire for Democrats to lose. And the Democrat political position is dire.

Before I get started, I want to make one thing very clear. I am providing projections on how people will vote. I am not providing projections on what the results of any particular election will be. Polls can measure voter intent; they can't predict what level of corruption will be used in any particular election. You are free to draw any conclusion you like regarding how legitimate the November election will be, if they are even held.

My favorite pollster, Rich Baris, released national polling internals to his Locals community (so not providing a link). As I mentioned on Tuesday, this is a large national likely voter sample from May that uses over-sampling to ensure that all demographics have appropriate representation in the results. Since this is a likely voter poll, the respondents to this poll will vote. There will be no one from this poll that stays home. Therefore, there is high confidence that this poll strongly models the votes that will be cast in November, if the election were held today.

Below I am showing the results for 5 questions and the results categorized using 3 different demographic sorts. The questions I am looking at are:

- Right track/Wrong track
- Most important issue
- Biden approval on economy and jobs
- Voter intent for 2022 Congressional election
- 2024 matchup between Biden and Trump

The demographic sorts that I am highlighting are race, party affiliation, and income. One caveat is that the Biden vs Trump result is from a different poll done during the same period. An identical methodology was used with a very similar sample size, but it is a different poll.

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There are several interesting things to note from this poll. First, the likely voter model (and voters in general) is still dominated by non-Hispanic whites. 73.7% of likely voters fall into this category, which would surprise much of the media consuming public. I suspect that they assume as high as 25% of the electorate is black, as opposed to the 11% that are represented. The Hispanic voting population is even lower at about 10%, even though in states like Texas and California, the Hispanic voters are close to parity with whites.

The Right/Wrong track question shows terrible results for the administration, with over 70% saying we are on the wrong track. This is the worst result on this question that Baris has ever received. Keep in mind that this poll was conducted in May before the latest inflation and stock market shocks hit. The current sentiment is guaranteed to be worse than shown here. While the high Wrong track response is driven by the sentiment of white voters, no race views the country as being on the Right track.

Across all races, the top concern is the economy. Combining the numbers for Inflation and Economy, over 40% (minimum) of each race views the economy as being the top issue driving their vote in November. Except for the black community, all races blame Biden for the bad economy. This includes a staggering 55.3% of whites who strongly disapprove.

Finally, when looking at voting intent, the Republican candidates are drawing about the same 9 point lead that Trump gets in a hypothetical rematch with Biden. Remember, this is a demographically weighted likely voter poll, so typical "rule of thumb" assumptions about Democrat over sampling should not be applied. This 9 point lead has all of the typical error sources accounted for. Interestingly, Trump does better with black and Hispanic voters than Republicans do in general, while doing worse with Asians. This shows that Trump's populist message resonates with the black and Hispanic communities stronger than the mainstream Republican message. This lead is a significant shift for Trump who was polling at -1 or -2 nationally during 2020.

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When looking at the same questions and sorting responses by party you can see where the risks for Democrats lie. The Democrats make up roughly 1/3rd of the electorate but are the only ones supporting Biden and Democrats. Barely 50% of Democrats think we are on the Right track vs 92% of Republicans and 78% of Independent who think we are on the Wrong track.

The economy remains the most important issue for all voters regardless of party, but only Democrats absolve Biden of the blame for it. 70.4% of Independents disapprove of Biden's handling of the economy.

This leads to the final question of who each party will vote for. Unsurprisingly, Democrats will vote for Democrats and Biden, Republicans for Republicans and Trump. It is the Independents who plan to vote Republican that make the difference. Note that just like with black and Hispanics, Trump is more popular with Independents than Republicans are.

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Finally, we look at the same questions with the responses sorted by income level. Here you can see that voter sentiment across all income levels is consistent. All levels consider the country to be on the Wrong track, with the percentages increasing as income goes up. 65.2% of people with income under $30K think we are on the Wrong track, increasing up to 87.1% of people with incomes over $200K that agree.

Around 45% - 50% of all income ranges consider Inflation and the Economy to be the top issue that will motivate their vote in November, although Immigration has a significantly higher importance to earners over $200K than all the rest. Also note how unimportant Abortion is, especially for the affluent. A total of four people with income over $200K listed Abortion as their most important issue. This does not support the stereotype of the rich limousine liberal feminist only voting for abortion, because they make enough money to not care. It turns out that people making the most money care the most about making money.

Finally, looking at voter intent, we see that only the two lowest economic quintiles will vote for Biden and the Democrats, and these levels of support are historically low. Democrats should be 10-20 points ahead with these groups, instead of 3-4 points. The groups making $50K or more are planning to vote Republican and would vote for Trump. Again, this support goes higher as the income goes higher, with over $200K having the strongest support for the Republicans. An interesting point here is that the $100K - $200K range is the only group who supports Republicans at a higher ratio than Trump and might be the nexus of social media inspired dislike for Trump.

I updated this rant last night to provide some more context to yesterday's emotional response to the GOP advancing debate on red flag laws. As I try to do, I am providing data. It's not my fault that it isn't what you want to hear. So don't get mad at me.

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The gun debate may be of critical importance to your vote in November, but it is not very important to the larger population. To be fair, this poll was taken before the red flag law sellout by the RINOs was announced, but back in May the 2nd amendment was barely registering as an important issue, below abortion. It's more important as an issue to Democrats than to Republicans. We will see if that changes as gun owners realize what the RINOs are doing. I suspect it will, but the question is by how much. I will be very interested to see how this factor changes the next time Baris conducts this poll.

The bottom line is that voters are planning to vote Republican this year on economic issues. If Trump is the nominee in 2024, he will receive the same level of support that will drive the Republican vote in 2022, if conditions don't change markedly. Their votes are motivated primarily by the economy and deep disapproval of Biden and Democrat handling of that economy. Issues that are historically strong for Democrats are meaningless to the voters right now. Trump's endorsement strategy is designed to give him a working caucus of Republican's when he starts his second term, and it will result in an increase in the number of MAGA supporters in Congress, but not enough to yet take control of the party apparatus. The Congressional elections in 2024 will be another opportunity for Trump to get supporters loyal to him into office.

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1 sponge

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:01 AM (LvTSG)

2 Yo

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2022 11:01 AM (5NzWm)

3 With my eyes I'm like NCIS on those tables, "enhance, Enhance, ENHANCE!"

I'm at 175% zoom.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 11:02 AM (0rQxu)

4 *puts on flame retardant suit*

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 11:03 AM (5p7BC)

5 I see Luntz the Dunce is hyping the worthless NH poll as "proof" Republicans want to move on from Trump.

DIAF, scumbag.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 23, 2022 11:03 AM (vZ5WW)

6 Who's the bigger cry baby, Boehner or Kinzinger?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM (ptqGC)

7 Based on any objective review of the last 2 years pretty much every Democrat AND GOPe office holder should be voted out of office.

This is, without any serious objection, the worst two years of history during peacetime (more or less), in American history. Nothing else comes close.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM (ESjRY)

8 Boehner was a worthless drunk who was bad even by GOP standards.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM (y7DUB)

9 *Lights flamethrower

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM (4bYcn)

10 Yeah, you will probably need to zoom the tables, I apologize for that.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM (5p7BC)

11 Boner can EABOD.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM (OYgxM)

12 Been voting GOP since 1992. Never again. With the brief exception of the Contract with America, they have proven to be dickless wonders for three solid decades.

There is no evidence they'll change anything if given power this year. Their cave on red flag laws is only the latest example. Screw them.

Posted by: The Fool at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM (1dzqn)

13 Sorry. Thought it was a barbecue.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM (4bYcn)

14 *puts on flame retardant suit*

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 11:03 AM (5p7BC)

Did you see the "poll" yesterday showing Crist ahead of DeSantis 48-47? LOL.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM (ptqGC)

15 In the 2022 midterms, these two camps are fighting for dominance. In the aftermath of the upcoming election, the Establishment GOP will continue to retain control of the party, however they will lose some of their influence.
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That is a *very* bold prediction and absolutely none of the Party's history over the past 30 years gives me any indication that this will be true. The MAGA concept does seem to be "stickier" than the Tea Party concept, but the entire establishment wing of the Party is so entrenched, corrupt, conniving, embedded in the power systems and also increasingly desperate and threatened that I think they will react even more aggressively. I don't think it's out of the question that the establishment players would rather destroy the party entirely than see it reformed or changed, with its senior officials and machinators falling back on their embedded influence cultivated over decades of corruption.

I'll get to the rest of the post now, but the assumption that Party-level subversion is finally underway has absolutely zero historical success in any way whatsoever.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM (WWh8n)

16 Establishment:
- Wall Street

MAGA:
- Main Street

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM (ZNlqs)

17 Before I get started, I want to make one thing very clear. I am providing projections on how people will vote. I am not providing projections on what the results of any particular election will be.

ISWYDT!

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM (6TxNR)

18 No Mr. GOPe, I expect you to die!

Posted by: JackStrawfinger with Ultra MAGA at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM (ZLI7S)

19 "Keep in mind that this poll was conducted in May before the latest inflation and stock market shocks hit. The current sentiment is guaranteed to be worse than shown here. "

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This is good news - people are surely more pessimistic now than in May.

You say that in May the percentage of voters who worry about gun control is lower than we'd like. Similar to the tanking economy, do you expect the gun control legislation that has been in the news lately to move public sentiment at all?

Posted by: 496 at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM (VJsqe)

20 Concealed Carry in NY is gone. It covers Commiefornia too.

Posted by: Fisht at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM (ZRarh)

21 That's a lot to digest this early.

Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM (AwYPR)

22 that monkee reminds me of Daniel Plainview in TWBB

Posted by: REDACTED at June 23, 2022 11:06 AM (us2H3)

23 hiya

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2022 11:06 AM (arJlL)

24 He would like to get people in office who agree with his populist philosophy, but he also wants people in office that are indebted to him.
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Indebted. Hah. Nobody welshes on a debt like a politician. What's he gonna do? Not endorse them next time? Issue some mean tweets?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:06 AM (WWh8n)

25 Wonder how many times Boehner has been to rehab since he left Congress? More than Steven Tyler(who is back in rehab again by the way).

Posted by: Jen the original at June 23, 2022 11:06 AM (pdT3z)

26 Trump has backed many incumbents, which is certainly helping his winning percentage. For example, he has endorsed Kevin McCarthy in his election and for Speaker of the House. The strategy is two-fold. He would like to get people in office who agree with his populist philosophy, but he also wants people in office that are indebted to him.

If Trump is smart, why would he assume that McCarthy and his ilk wouldn't stab him in the back just like they do their constituents?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:06 AM (/NCI4)

27 Polls are for strippers.

Posted by: Salma Hayek at June 23, 2022 11:06 AM (h5TKJ)

28 Nicely done Dave.
i was looking forward to your numbers you mentioned yesterday.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2022 11:06 AM (anj39)

29 It really pains me that Trump refuses to learn from his mistakes and short comings. DeSantis could stay in Florida other four years and Trump could try a come back with a chance of winning. But there's no chance in hell he can win again, and if DeSantis runs and wins nomination, we all know that Trump will do everything he can to keep him from winning the election. Trump's biggest issue has always been his ego. For all the good he did do while in office, it's a damn shame he could sink is in the long run.

Posted by: BillBixby at June 23, 2022 11:07 AM (nPGg6)

30 BRB off to read content.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 23, 2022 11:07 AM (WKPeU)

31 The by income chart is incredibly telling information.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 23, 2022 11:07 AM (4bYcn)

32 Dave, in many ways MAGA boils down to being the Republican Reform Party.

Posted by: kraken at June 23, 2022 11:07 AM (Vr12I)

33 When I get begging from the RNC for donations they get a big FU from me and I tell them why. I will only donate to candidates that will truly uphold conservative values. Needless to say, I haven't donated in a long time.

Posted by: Cheri at June 23, 2022 11:07 AM (oiNtH)

34 Excellent post, Dave in Florida!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2022 11:08 AM (a3Q+t)

35 Posted by: BillBixby at June 23, 2022 11:07 AM (nPGg6)

Hey Bill, do you think DeSantis support for red flag laws in Florida that have already resulted in the confiscation of thousands of guns will hurt him?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 11:08 AM (ZLI7S)

36 @24 and @26
Great minds.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:08 AM (/NCI4)

37 It's fascinating that only 28.2% of black voters somewhat or strongly disapprove of the current administration's economic handling, especially after black and lower-income people (and many blacks are lower-income) actually made meaningful progress under the last guy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:08 AM (WWh8n)

38 Concealed Carry in NY is gone. It covers Commiefornia too.
Posted by: Fisht at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM


I wonder how this will effect the "may issue" licensing scheme in MA.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2022 11:08 AM (RkC6l)

39 When I get begging from the RNC for donations they get a big FU from me and I tell them why. I will only donate to candidates that will truly uphold conservative values. Needless to say, I haven't donated in a long time.

Posted by: Cheri at June 23, 2022 11:07 AM (oiNtH)

Same here. I just wish to hell Trump's monkeys would quit begging me for money on my phone.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:09 AM (ptqGC)

40 That's a plethora of content.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 23, 2022 11:09 AM (XG2Fi)

41 The MAGA philosophy


America first. F everyone else.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 11:09 AM (J5T7h)

42 Wonder how many times Boehner has been to rehab since he left Congress? More than Steven Tyler(who is back in rehab again by the way).

Posted by: Jen the original at June 23, 2022 11:06 AM (pdT3z)

He's got a time share at the clinic.

Posted by: BignJames at June 23, 2022 11:09 AM (AwYPR)

43 wrong track right track polls, along with congressional JA are extremely misleading

Posted by: REDACTED at June 23, 2022 11:09 AM (us2H3)

44 Dave, is it correct to say that this poll was taken after Uvalde and before the gun vote sellout?

That what it records is zero mandate to change the status quo, even after the shooting?

Posted by: TexasDan at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (2jRyv)

45 but the assumption that Party-level subversion is finally underway has absolutely zero historical success in any way whatsoever.

It could either change gradually, or all at once. Ask me how I know.

Posted by: Nicolae Ceausescu at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (/NCI4)

46 Turley is very impressed with Clarence Thomas.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (ptqGC)

47 This shows that Trump's populist message resonates with the black and Hispanic communities stronger than the mainstream Republican message.
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The GOPe will have to kill it even harder, then. The Democrats *depend* on racial voting blocs to survive, and the Republican party must *never* threaten those blocs.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (WWh8n)

48 Joe - You and I will just have to disagree for now. We don't know if the party can be reformed or not. People who will win in November want to reform, and Trump will have more allies after this election. The question is will there be enough over the next two cycles to make a difference in a second term.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (5p7BC)

49 42. Lol.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (pdT3z)

50 The Supreme Court STRIKES DOWN a New York gun-control law that required people to show "proper cause" to get a license to carry a concealed handgun outside the home. The vote is 6-3.
https://twitter.com/scotusblog/

Posted by: Toni at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (2YShK)

51 Trump gave people rock solid proof via their paychecks that Republicans are better for the economy and jobs. 100%

Lowest black unemployment ever, IIRC.

Yet here we see a poll showing that those same people never attribute their increase in jobs and paychecks with the GOP


Maybe we need better advertising.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (4bYcn)

52 Same here. I just wish to hell Trump's monkeys would quit begging me for money on my phone.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:09 AM (ptqGC)

...

Text or actual calls? I got the texts to stop actually.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 23, 2022 11:11 AM (2jRyv)

53 >>> The gun debate may be of critical importance to your vote in November, but it is not very important to the larger population.


It might not have been very important when this poll was done. But people tend to ignore things they don't think are threatened. But when the threat manifests itself they become much more interested.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 11:11 AM (0rQxu)

54 "The Trump endorsement is highly coveted, as just seen in Alabama. Katie Britt practically begged Trump for the endorsement in her primary, and it paid off in her runoff victory against Mo Brooks."

And in some unfortunate cases, they are highly coveted until they win the election, at which point they all but disavow any connection to Trump or his MAGA positions (see Mehmet Oz). Not sure how Trump got that one so wrong, but hey, it helped his winning percentage.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 23, 2022 11:11 AM (Wg1SU)

55 That's a plethora of content.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 23, 2022 11:09 AM


Si, Cicero! A plethora!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2022 11:11 AM (RkC6l)

56 >>> Text or actual calls? I got the texts to stop actually.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 23, 2022 11:11 AM (2jRyv)


I had to block the numbers.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 11:11 AM (0rQxu)

57 Hey, I was better than Ryan!

*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at June 23, 2022 11:11 AM (XG2Fi)

58 Thanks for all your hard work, Dave.

Is it time for the weekly "Trump will destroy us because of his ego" posts?! I sooooooo enjoy those and no, I am not saying that no criticism of Trump is allowed but "some" of this stuff-from new posters sounds like trolling attempts to cause dissension among the ranks of non D voters.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2022 11:12 AM (FZ2cV)

59 When I see a poll asking for race, party and income, it goes right into the shredder. I got no time for that shit.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 23, 2022 11:12 AM (0ocXn)

60 I think to polling happened at the same time as Uvalde, so some responses consider it and some don't. Everything is after Buffalo though.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 11:12 AM (5p7BC)

61 46 Turley is very impressed with Clarence Thomas.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (ptqGC)

who wouldn't be impressed with a lynching survivor

Posted by: REDACTED at June 23, 2022 11:12 AM (us2H3)

62 The idea behind representative government is that the representatives should feel they have to closely mirror the populace's wishes...and ultimately be voted out if they do not.

As we've seen with Sen Cornyn though this process is broken - elected representatives routinely flout the will of the electorate and do NOT pay a cost in losing their offices.

I can't think of more basic proof that there is widespread and deep corruption of the electoral process.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:13 AM (ESjRY)

63 Being realistic, Trump's " ego" is why he was able to persevere and win the election in 2016.

Posted by: kraken at June 23, 2022 11:13 AM (Vr12I)

64 An interesting point here is that the $100K - $200K range is the only group who supports Republicans at a higher ratio than Trump and might be the nexus of social media inspired dislike for Trump.
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It's weird. The people in that group are the professional, work-a-day affluent. They aren't the big-shot executives or capital kings (who are essentially captured by the Left now), but high-grade W-2 people.

I suspect they support the Party more than the candidate because they know their positions are tenuous. They earn a lot, but they are a small group. That small group depends on business-as-usual in megacorporations and *anything* that rocks that boat will necessarily be bad for them. Whoever declines to rock the boat will probably win their support.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:13 AM (WWh8n)

65 The Supreme Court STRIKES DOWN a New York gun-control law that required people to show "proper cause" to get a license to carry a concealed handgun outside the home.

Happy Birthday Justice Thomas!

Posted by: Squid at June 23, 2022 11:13 AM (qgCxF)

66 Text or actual calls? I got the texts to stop actually.
Posted by: TexasDan at June 23, 2022 11:11 AM (2jRyv)


I had to block the numbers.
Posted by: banana Dream


Block numbers and silence all unknown callers.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 11:13 AM (J5T7h)

67 Boner is right sort of. The Republican party is now a center left globalist party, so America First really should have its own party.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 11:13 AM (OalnH)

68 This Supreme Court ruling on guns is probably the best "conservative" ruling we've had in a generation.

We always just seem to get a nibble here and there, but this is a throrough smack down to gun control.

Too bad our Senate Republicans are determined to sell us out on gun rights, but I'm not going to let that diminish this victory.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (/Mfjh)

69 >>And in some unfortunate cases, they are highly coveted until they win the election, at which point they all but disavow any connection to Trump or his MAGA positions (see Mehmet Oz). Not sure how Trump got that one so wrong, but hey, it helped his winning percentage.

I don't find what Oz is doing in PA odd at all. In primaries you play to your base, in the general you have to play to the entire electorate.

PA is not Alabama or Texas or any deep red state. It at best purple and Trump is very controversial in the state to say the least since the last election.

The idea is to win the general not just the primary.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (ZLI7S)

70 >>> It's fascinating that only 28.2% of black voters somewhat or strongly disapprove of the current administration's economic handling, especially after black and lower-income people (and many blacks are lower-income) actually made meaningful progress under the last guy.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:08 AM (WWh8n)


Have you noticed mask compliance among the same population, even right now when no one else is wearing the muzzle?

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (0rQxu)

71 BRB off to read content.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious

See ya tomorrow !

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (arJlL)

72 It might not have been very important when this poll was done. But people tend to ignore things they don't think are threatened.
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I said that, I think.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (5p7BC)

73 I don't care about the individual politician any more. Meaning their personality, speaking skills, etc.

I only care how they vote. I would vote for an anonymous NPC figure if they voted for America first policies.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (MgJL2)

74 So will those carrying a gun in from another state continue to be arrested?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (anj39)

75 "While they disagree on important policy points, both sides are united in their desire for Democrats to lose."

I was with you until I read this bit. I'm not so sure of this.

Posted by: Brando at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (wSFh+)

76 This leads to the final question of who each party will vote for. Unsurprisingly, Democrats will vote for Democrats and Biden, Republicans for Republicans and Trump. It is the Independents who plan to vote Republican that make the difference.
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Isn't this almost always the case? It's the slice of unaffiliated electorate that decides the election, and this is why "landslide" elections are so rare?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (WWh8n)

77 @ChuckCallesto - 57m

BOMBSHELL REPORT: Police Report Proves Plainclothes ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE UNIT Members Were Embedded Among Jan. 6 Protesters...

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Like Ray Epps?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (ptqGC)

78 Not sure how much the polls or actual voters will matter, of course. See for example: https://tinyurl.com/y253h2ra

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (YQ4mh)

79 Last time I donated to the RNC specific was around 2007. They’d already sent endless surveys where you pick top 10 things that need fixing in America. Immigration wasn’t one of them. My ‘07 donation was “ here’s $75.00, for one foot of fence along the S Border.”

Posted by: Rex B at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (t1jwT)

80 Good write-up.

Re 2A, I don't think that it hurts GOP much, as 2A advocates have nowhere to turn.

Though there will be a few like me, people that refuse to vote GOP at the federal level, that number will be insignificant in all but the tightest of races.

Only a large disgruntled number of voters staying home or voting 3rd party will change anything, as the GOPe knows that 2A/Pro-Life/Value Voters are a captive audience. It's the same reason people pay $12 for a beer at the stadium, it's the only choice you have if you insist on drinking at the game.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 23, 2022 11:15 AM (1Gz/l)

81 Crap. Sorry. Wrong thread.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2022 11:15 AM (anj39)

82 Yet here we see a poll showing that those same people never attribute their increase in jobs and paychecks with the GOP

We have a real problem with LIVs refusing to do even the most basic analysis of what is going on around them.

The FNM told them the Obama years and now the Biden years are great for them while the Trump years were only good for the rich.

The opposite is actually true, as these people experienced personally. And yet a core number of them refuse to "believe their lying eyes"

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:15 AM (ESjRY)

83 The gun debate may be of critical importance to your vote in November, but it is not very important to the larger population.

I am going to take issue with this position and, in true rat bastard form, I'm going to go to lunch having done so thereby providing no opportunity for give and take.

The poll asked what was the MOST important thing. I can easily see people saying the economy/inflation to that. Listing guns in that position either shows that you're unusually far sighted, or that your position, good or bad, is not very dependent on the larger economy.

I don't believe that this can adequately measure people's feeling on the matter. Just cuz you're worried about putting dinner on the table...tonight...doesn't mean that 2A doesn't matter, it's just not forefront to your thinking.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 23, 2022 11:15 AM (z99Zw)

84 *Lights flamethrower
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM


Scene from Manatee AtC:

AlaBAMA: * lights flamethrower *
AtC: "That's not a flamethrower ... THIS is a flamethrower!"
* lights flamethrower, projects toward AlaBAMA *
AlaBAMA: * hopping up and down * "My shins, my shins!"

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2022 11:15 AM (a3Q+t)

85 “Nothing in the Second Amendment’s text draws a home/public distinction with respect to the right to keep and bear arms.”

Boom!

Posted by: Squid at June 23, 2022 11:15 AM (qgCxF)

86 Thank you, Dave in Fla.

This is well-explained data that I plan to take to the bank. You are a force for good.

Now with evil trolls, but if you have a banhammer, wielding it could be cathartic.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 23, 2022 11:15 AM (u82oZ)

87 25 Wonder how many times Boehner has been to rehab since he left Congress? More than Steven Tyler(who is back in rehab again by the way).
Posted by: Jen the original



Tyler is 74.

Posted by: Puddleglum at June 23, 2022 11:15 AM (ifUkZ)

88 With the brief exception of the Contract with America, they have proven to be dickless wonders for three solid decades.

The votes were barely counted when some Repuke liars stated they wouldn't abide by term limits. Great contract, no? The party has always been top loaded with cunts and cocksuckers deserving to be covered in dogshit.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at June 23, 2022 11:16 AM (y7DUB)

89 This SC decision, 6:3, is absolutely huge. Justice Thomas's written decision is beautifully done and apparently on his birthday.
Someone who knows how to do such things should post Jack Posobiec's verbal report in the sidebar which lays out how important this decision is.
I am thrilled as I live in MD.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 23, 2022 11:16 AM (Y+l9t)

90 I am also 100% sure the big media story that Ron was "quietly" reaching out to donors to explore a presidential run was an out-and-out lie.

So quietly that it never happened.

The media, that prefers a comatose drug addict face-down in his own feces after a gay orgy to any Republican, is going all-out to start a Trump-DeSantis fight

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 23, 2022 11:16 AM (vZ5WW)

91 Yeah, "endorsing" McCarthy is meaningless for securing any kind of loyalty via indebtedness. Kevin is in no more danger of losing his election than a deputy to the Supreme Soviet from Orsk.

And calling almost any of the key sensible policies "populist" reminds one of how lost the language and civic culture are.

Having a border, and rule of law in immigration (SOP in the US prior to the 90s, and everywhere on earth, forever) - is "populist"?

Reciprocal trade policies and practices - SOP everywhere on earth, forever - "populist"?

Opposing soft totalitarian control over almost every aspect of life in a country historically the most free in modern history - "populist"?

Not criticizing the use of the term, just noting the massive, disastrous shift in terms of reference it currently embodies.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2022 11:16 AM (OTzUX)

92 This Supreme Court ruling on guns is probably the best "conservative" ruling we've had in a generation.

We always just seem to get a nibble here and there, but this is a throrough smack down to gun control.

Too bad our Senate Republicans are determined to sell us out on gun rights, but I'm not going to let that diminish this victory.
Posted by: Blago


Today, NYS. Tomorrow, GCA '86, '68 & NFA '34!

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 11:16 AM (J5T7h)

93 Have you noticed mask compliance among the same population, even right now when no one else is wearing the muzzle?

Blacks and Asians in my local area are MUCH more likely to wear masks then causcasians or hispanics.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:16 AM (ESjRY)

94 Boner is right sort of. The Republican party is now a center left globalist party, so America First really should have its own party.
Posted by: Joe XiDen
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The problem is, this party would just be Trump sycophants with ideology taking a back seat. See Dr. Oz for a good example.

I'm actually more optimistic that the Romney/Ryan wing of the GOP is being pushed out. The Senate though is always late to these things.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 11:16 AM (/Mfjh)

95 Not sure how Trump got that one so wrong, but hey, it helped his winning percentage.

Being realistic, Trump's " ego" is why he was able to persevere and win the election in 2016.

Trump understands the value of looking like a winner, hence his desire to up his percentage of successful endorsements. It was the right move in '16, but I don't think it is in '24. I'll say it, despite the risk of being labelled a troll. His endorsements are starting to look opportunistic. I'm sure he thinks it's worth it, because it would help his candidacy and a victory would be good for the country. However, what was a good idea for one election isn't necessarily always a good one.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:16 AM (/NCI4)

96 Bravo Dav in FL!

Great work.

Posted by: Scott_T at June 23, 2022 11:16 AM (2waQ7)

97 Duncanthrax

* Snort *

We have dozens of script ideas for Horde comedies just from the inside jokes.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 23, 2022 11:17 AM (u82oZ)

98 My favorite pollster, Rich Baris,"

I loved him on the Gong Show.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:17 AM (trdmm)

99 Trump has backed many incumbents, which is certainly helping his winning percentage. For example, he has endorsed Kevin McCarthy in his election



And one of the many reasons I am dine with Trump and his bullshit. Drain the swamp by giving power to the most odious swamp dwellers. Give me a fucking break.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 11:17 AM (OalnH)

100 Someday I'll go re-activate my Fb account and grab my old posts to prove I hated Cornyn at least 10 years ago.

What he is has been known for a long time. In fact I have a energy lobbyist buddy who informed me back then that he's always been an asshole.

not sure what this has to do with the content other than the gun issue on the poll and the fact that i've been pissed for like a week straight now.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 23, 2022 11:17 AM (2jRyv)

101
But PredictIt has Biden up by 20%!!!!!!

*RIP Intrade*

Posted by: In before the troll at June 23, 2022 11:17 AM (KYKwc)

102 The GOPe will have to kill it even harder, then. The Democrats *depend* on racial voting blocs to survive, and the Republican party must *never* threaten those blocs.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (WWh8n)

Yeah, I expect a ton of establishment money will find its way to the strangest places over the next few voting cycles.

Posted by: Inogame at June 23, 2022 11:17 AM (53oGX)

103 Nice analysis, Dave. I hope Ace is paying you well ... /

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 11:18 AM (ZNlqs)

104 The Cornyn call is quite the tongue bath by fawning fans so far. Gross

Posted by: LASue at June 23, 2022 11:18 AM (Ed8Zd)

105 Trump's endorsement strategy is designed to give him a working caucus of Republican's when he starts his second term, and it will result in an increase in the number of MAGA supporters in Congress, but not enough to yet take control of the party apparatus. The Congressional elections in 2024 will be another opportunity for Trump to get supporters loyal to him into office.
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He will need twice as many in 2024, including primarying his own endorsements from 2022. At least half - and that's being incredibly optimistic from a historical standpoint - will turn and embed into the establishment structure once they get sworn in. They will also have to be replaced. I will be surprised to the point of heart-attack-inducing shock if any more than 25% - at the outside - of the MAGA-aligned, Trump-endorsed election winners fail to succumb to the corrupt establishment structure within six months.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:18 AM (WWh8n)

106 I don't find what Oz is doing in PA odd at all. In primaries you play to your base, in the general you have to play to the entire electorate.

PA is not Alabama or Texas or any deep red state. It at best purple and Trump is very controversial in the state to say the least since the last election.

The idea is to win the general not just the primary.
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The key to winning in mid terms is to get out your base. Pissing off your base is not a good recipe for success. And most of Penn (outside of Pitt, Philly and the collars) votes more like Alabama than any other state in the Northeast (see Carvilles comment)

Posted by: Tofer732 at June 23, 2022 11:18 AM (GcxM3)

107 SCOTUS kills show cause gun law in NY. Woohoo

Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 23, 2022 11:18 AM (xUWAs)

108 you would think todays decision would give the GOP senators pause

Posted by: REDACTED at June 23, 2022 11:19 AM (us2H3)

109 7 Based on any objective review of the last 2 years pretty much every Democrat AND GOPe office holder should be voted out of office.

This is, without any serious objection, the worst two years of history during peacetime (more or less), in American history. Nothing else comes close.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM (ESjRY)

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Cannot disagree.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 11:19 AM (ZNlqs)

110 If people realize what this Red Flag Confiscation scheme is about, they might mark gun laws as a higher priority. For now they may well assume it is no big deal.

AND the economy may be the usual bigger issue, but it may not mean the gun confiscation is not also very big.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 23, 2022 11:19 AM (Cus5s)

111 I wonder how this will effect the "may issue" licensing scheme in MA.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2022 11:08 AM (RkC6l)


Presumably, that's just been declared unconstitutional. Whether that makes a difference remains to be seen.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 23, 2022 11:19 AM (z99Zw)

112 Based on any objective review of the last 2 years pretty much every Democrat AND GOPe office holder should be voted out of office. This is, without any serious objection, the worst two years of history during peacetime (more or less), in American history. Nothing else comes close. Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:04 AM (ESjRY)

Makers versus takers. The takers need them some Democrats in office.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:19 AM (7B5FA)

113 An interesting point here is that the $100K - $200K range is the only group who supports Republicans at a higher ratio than Trump and might be the nexus of social media inspired dislike for Trump.

The Grasping Class

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 11:19 AM (w0NJk)

114 Teh maths... makes my head hurt.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 23, 2022 11:19 AM (BFigT)

115 I'm sure he thinks it's worth it, because it would help his candidacy and a victory would be good for the country. However, what was a good idea for one election isn't necessarily always a good one.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:16 AM (/NCI4)

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It makes him look, to those who are disappointed in his picks, like he has lost the will to fight, or even the ability to sway an important election.

Prevent defense may sometimes win a game here and there but it loses pretty often and always pisses of the fans.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 23, 2022 11:19 AM (2jRyv)

116 Woo-hoo!!!!!!!

Dear God, Please keep all of the conservatives on the Supreme Court in good health and compos mentis for the next few years.

We really, really need Your help on our behalf....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - AoS Ladies' Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at June 23, 2022 11:20 AM (SRRAx)

117
The last time my computer (Linux variant) crashed Bush was in office. Dave in Florida has accomplished the nearly impossible.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at June 23, 2022 11:20 AM (dQvv7)

118 Mayra Flores is the kind of Republican that is now emerging. Her swearing in was electrifying. It was basically "Dear Mrs. Pelosi, we are not playing nice any more." God, family, country.

Posted by: Ultra pj at June 23, 2022 11:20 AM (G1dq6)

119 FDA bans Juul E-Cigarettes as Gov pursues broader crackdown on nicotine products.

So glad I quit 9 years ago.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 11:20 AM (J5T7h)

120 I honestly have to ask this - based on these poll #s:

In reality, what would the democrat party have to do to lose the black vote?

Dem/leftist policies have destroyed the inner cities and black lives in those areas. Destroyed the economy for everyone. Keep wages artificially low through their de facto open borders policies.

Considering the destruction that dem/leftist policies have wreaked on African Americans, in all reality what could possibly convince this cohort to actually consider voting other than democrat?

It appears to me that African Americans have it so ingrained in their minds that Dem = Non Racist and Republican =Racist that no amount of factual information will ever change their minds.

It is unbelievably disheartening to see Black Americans so oblivious to the truth and facts and so willing to vote for their own continued destruction.

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 11:20 AM (ky+MF)

121 67 Boner is right sort of. The Republican party is now a center left globalist party, so America First really should have its own party.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 11:13 AM (OalnH)

I though they should have spun off into a third party... but if reform can happen I'll eat my hat.

Posted by: Inogame at June 23, 2022 11:20 AM (53oGX)

122 However, what was a good idea for one election isn't necessarily always a good one.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Exactly, we needed Trump in 2016. I think the MAGA platform is a winning one and he put the party in a different direction much like Barry Goldwater did. We needed Goldwater to get a Reagan. But we have to move on from Trump and the cult of personality.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 11:20 AM (/Mfjh)

123 Good grief. David Axelrod promoting Gavin Newsom for the Dems' candidate in 2024.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:21 AM (ptqGC)

124 @Joe M, that $100-200K range includes a lot of small business owners, many of whom work with their hands, and other people who may be employed by someone else but also work outside an office.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:21 AM (7B5FA)

125 Red Flag meets Constitutional Carry. Constitutional Carry wins.

Does anyone around here ever celebrate a victory? Must be a real buzz at Christmas.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 23, 2022 11:21 AM (vcv8B)

126 RMBS, like MD, MA law unconstitutional. Thomas says you do not have to show a reason to exercise a constitutional right and the right to bear arms is a constitutional right clearly stated.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 23, 2022 11:21 AM (Y+l9t)

127 Establishment:
- Corporatists who support any cause that benefits large businesses
- Pro military as a means of imposing American policy worldwide
- Liberal or agnostic on social issues, paying lip service as needed to get votes
- Pro-immigration in order to ensure cheap labor is available
- Free trade as a means of increasing corporate profits
- Currently controls the levers of power and money within the party

This is the Bush Machine values nicely summed up. The reason Texas has been slow to act on several things is that although the MAGA conservatives now control the Texas Senate, Establishment Republicans still control the Texas House. It was miracle they consented to allowing open carry for everyone.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:21 AM (trdmm)

128 Thanks Dave! Great post.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 23, 2022 11:21 AM (WKPeU)

129 Two guys walked into my local BBQ place the other day, their sidearms on their hips. Not even a glance by the locals. But the people in one booth were bugeyed the whole time they were there. Leaned over to my buddies and said" yep, they're from Illinois".

Posted by: kraken at June 23, 2022 11:22 AM (Vr12I)

130 If people realize what this Red Flag Confiscation scheme is about, they might mark gun laws as a higher priority. For now they may well assume it is no big deal.

The old leftist two step.

First: This is just to take guns away from violent crazy people

Then: Anyone that opposes our policy positions is a violent and crazy person. And applying this to objectively violent crazy leftwing people like the tranny shooter is...RACIST!

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:22 AM (ESjRY)

131 Is there an R running against Crenshaw?

Posted by: Maj. Healey Who WIll Never Again Vote Republican at June 23, 2022 11:22 AM (MkYsY)

132 123 Good grief. David Axelrod promoting Gavin Newsom for the Dems' candidate in 2024.
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If I had to guess who the communists will nominate, I'd guess Newsom.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 23, 2022 11:22 AM (sWM8x)

133 Mayra Flores is the kind of Republican that is now emerging. Her swearing in was electrifying. It was basically "Dear Mrs. Pelosi, we are not playing nice any more." God, family, country.
Posted by: Ultra pj


It. Moved.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 11:22 AM (J5T7h)

134 If people realize what this Red Flag Confiscation scheme is about, they might mark gun laws as a higher priority. For now they may well assume it is no big deal.


I think most people don't care about RFLs because they don't beat their wives and have no plans to shoot up a school, so what's the difference? It's the old "first they came for..." problem.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:22 AM (/NCI4)

135 Two guys walked into my local BBQ place the other day, their sidearms on their hips. Not even a glance by the locals. But the people in one booth were bugeyed the whole time they were there. Leaned over to my buddies and said" yep, they're from Illinois".

Posted by: kraken at June 23, 2022 11:22 AM (Vr12I)

Same here in GA.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (ptqGC)

136 123 Good grief. David Axelrod promoting Gavin Newsom for the Dems' candidate in 2024.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:21 AM (ptqGC)

I've seen that on several leftist outlets. They realize they need to run a Governor - anyone in Congress is now too toxic to even think of running - and Newsom is about the only name they have. (well, Stacey Abrams) Cuomo was always supposed to be their big back up plan to Biden - HAH!

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (trdmm)

137 Dave, since you're on the thread, I have a question for you. Not about this specifically, but about polling in general. I see a serious practical problem with polling as a concept.

Who uses the polling data, and why? The parties don't. The parties have their own monumentally expensive - and entirely secret - polling infrastructures. If the publicly-accessible polling is good, why do the parties spend the wealth of nations on maintaining their own parallel and duplicative systems?

This is my basic problem with polling as a concept. These public polling outfits are also expensive, yet their data are not used by the parties to make decisions. So what's the point? The only thing I can come up with is that the internal party and government polling is used to measure, whereas the public polling is used to move. The public polling data are reported on and much ink is spilled one way or another, but the decision-makers use different data. This market shouldn't reasonably exist, which makes me think it is really to move and set opinion as a part of campaign activity.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (WWh8n)

138 24 He would like to get people in office who agree with his populist philosophy, but he also wants people in office that are indebted to him.
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Indebted. Hah. Nobody welshes on a debt like a politician. What's he gonna do? Not endorse them next time? Issue some mean tweets?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:06 AM (WWh8n)

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"Putin is helping Trump buy these politicians. PRE-IMPEACH!!!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (ZNlqs)

139 Isn't it interesting that this decision is revealed on the day the senate is supposed to vote on the gun legislation. Puts a damper on the celebration, no?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (Y+l9t)

140 In reality, what would the democrat party have to do to lose the black vote?

Posted by: Mehive
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You're talking about a generational/cultural thing and not really an ideological one. Takes a long time.

At best, maybe someday we get like 30% of the black vote and Dems would essentially be shut out of electoral politics.

They had nowhere to go but down when Dems were getting like 90% of the black vote against Bush.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (/Mfjh)

141 The idea behind representative government is that the representatives should feel they have to closely mirror the populace's wishes...and ultimately be voted out if they do not.
As we've seen with Sen Cornyn though this process is broken - elected representatives routinely flout the will of the electorate and do NOT pay a cost in losing their offices.
I can't think of more basic proof that there is widespread and deep corruption of the electoral process.
Posted by: 18-1


The start of the end of representative government was th 17th Amendment. The Founders wanted totally different paths to high office to make it hard to graft your way in by one simple path.

So the real Constitution says
President: Popular vote so all CITIZENS were participants;
Senators: Voted in by State Legislatures elected by local State rules with indirect citizen participation;
Representatives: Local "district" election by the residents of the district, many of whom might actually know the candidates personally.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (hOUT3)

142 OT: Does anyone else have a visceral dislike of clear glasses frames? To me they just scream pretentious douchebag.

Posted by: Augustine at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (etPhZ)

143 It might not have been very important when this poll was done. But people tend to ignore things they don't think are threatened. But when the threat manifests itself they become much more interested.
Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 11:11 AM (0rQxu)

There are about 80 million gun owners in this country. Cornyn’s betrayal is similar to the inflation issue. Inflation is with us and nothing the press or the Marxists say changes the facts. Gun confiscation is coming at us hard and it can’t be sugar coated to a gun owner. I agree with you, this issue is of strong interest to many voters.

Posted by: 7man at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (qwO6y)

144 My favorite pollster, Rich Baris,"

I loved him on the Gong Show.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:17 AM (trdmm)



From CIA assassin to game show host to respected pollster, the man has done it all.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (yQpMk)

145 've been reading about that google homo cult. It's pretty crazy stuff. What you'd normally expect from the left though.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (0rQxu)

146 Freaking pothead Boehner crawls out from under his grow light and actually says something. LOLGF

Posted by: Maj. Healey Who WIll Never Again Vote Republican at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (MkYsY)

147 I am aware that other will disagree with my conclusions. Hopefully there is enough information provided for people to draw their own.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (5p7BC)

148 I'm about halfway through the SCOTUS NYSRPA decision. Thomas nailed it and this has broader, good implications for Second Amendment rights. They cleared up the test for judging these cases that Democrats have exploited since Heller. Thomas even directly mentions Breyers dissent in Heller they were using to subvert the Second Amendment- and demolishes it. And while I expect there will be other case the decision also can be applied to aspects such as magazine limit bans and overall bans of any type. I expect based on this decision a lot of cases in the pipeline will be updated with these cites. A good day for the 2A.

Oh, and f you John Cornyn and the Vichy 14 Republicans

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (amOmU)

149 It is unbelievably disheartening to see Black Americans so oblivious to the truth and facts and so willing to vote for their own continued destruction.

I wonder what the numbers look like if you were to separate black responses into

Government workers/family

Those on government assistance

Everyone else

I strongly suspect those first two groups would be 100-0 pro Biden and the last group much less so.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (ESjRY)

150 131 Is there an R running against Crenshaw?
Posted by: Maj. Healey Who WIll Never Again Vote Republican at June 23, 2022 11:22 AM (MkYsY)

Primary's been over for months, Crenshaw is guaranteed to keep his seat. (in most Texas races, the primary is the only vote that matters)

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (trdmm)

151 SCOTUS kills show cause gun law in NY. Woohoo Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 23, 2022 11:18 AM (xUWAs)

Kavanaugh's concurrence was right. This ruling really only affects the 7 states that have "may issue" provisions for licensing that allow the government to have discretion, but doesn't really affect the 43 states that have "must issue" provisions for licensing.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (7B5FA)

152 But there's no chance in hell he [Trump] can win again ...

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Trump 2024 -- Three-Peat!

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (ZNlqs)

153 3 Good grief. David Axelrod promoting Gavin Newsom for the Dems' candidate in 2024.
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If I had to guess who the communists will nominate, I'd guess Newsom.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 23, 2022 11:22 AM (sWM8x)

Another unbelievable one is IL Goobenor Pritzker.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:25 AM (ptqGC)

154 I keep wondering what Reagan would’ve thought of Trump.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at June 23, 2022 11:25 AM (oJMjU)

155 But... here's something to consider about the GOP; while they might very much want to regain control of Congress they very much DO NOT want to be saddled with the blame of the coming recession/depression. The crumbling state of America is currently being blamed on the left. If the GOP takes over Congress then all that is on them.

The Republican party does not have the fortitude to see this through.

The Democrat party has more at stake. They'll pull out all the stops and rig the mid-terms and '24 to cement one-party control. The GOP will go along.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 23, 2022 11:25 AM (BFigT)

156 >>142 OT: Does anyone else have a visceral dislike of clear glasses frames? To me they just scream pretentious douchebag.
Posted by: Augustine

Yes! Especially the round lens style that liberal douchebag men wear.

Posted by: Maj. Healey Who WIll Never Again Vote Republican at June 23, 2022 11:25 AM (MkYsY)

157
The Party can't be reformed. This has been categorically proven - in every failed attempt to do so since Barry Goldwater. Including the cataclysmic failure we all *just experienced* so recently that it may as well have been yesterday. Five years of unremitting and ultimately successful resistance from the Party on all fronts, capped off when it helped the Democrats execute a coup.

But hey - it'll work this time, amirite? After their litany of betrayals, we'll reward them with a Congressional majority, and that'll teach 'em!

The GOP is laughing in your faces. Literally. Look at this gun control thing, and Cornyn """joking""" about amnesty. These people know they can abuse their base in the open, in perpetuity, and get away with it, because the Republican base are no less plantation voters than the LIVs the Dems have.

If anything, their voters are worse - because they *are* informed, and know better, but just can't resist the siren call of the cuckshed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (IXpV7)

158 "Thomas even directly mentions Breyers dissent in Heller they were using to subvert the Second Amendment- and demolishes it."

Alito's concurrence is better, when you get to it.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (7B5FA)

159 He will need twice as many in 2024, including primarying his own endorsements from 2022. At least half - and that's being incredibly optimistic from a historical standpoint - will turn and embed into the establishment structure once they get sworn in. They will also have to be replaced. I will be surprised to the point of heart-attack-inducing shock if any more than 25% - at the outside - of the MAGA-aligned, Trump-endorsed election winners fail to succumb to the corrupt establishment structure within six months.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:18 AM (WWh8n)

I don't think this is accurate. Trump doesn't need a majority of the caucuses, just a large enough minority of MAGA types in the GOP Senate and House caucuses to ensure he doesn't face the type of congress he faced in 2017 and 2018 (i.e., willing to go along with Meh-Russia coup, etc.).

A strong minority of MAGA types won't guaranty his entire agenda gets enacted, but it at least allows him a chance and puts pressure on the GOPe types and makes it harder for the GOPe to completely undermine him.

No matter what happens in 2022 and 2024 we aren't going to see a MAGA controlled GOP.

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (ky+MF)

160 "Trump's endorsement strategy is designed to give him a working caucus of Republican's when he starts his second term, and it will result in an increase in the number of MAGA supporters in Congress, but not enough to yet take control of the party apparatus. The Congressional elections in 2024 will be another opportunity for Trump to get supporters loyal to him into office."

Wait wait wait. Are you saying the the Orange Man actually has a plan?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (rC6MC)

161 I believed in free and fair elections occurring in the US right up until 11/3/2020. Then Dominion Voting Machines and 2000 Mules happened.

I no longer believe that voting matters, notwithstanding the poll results you cite. I appreciate the hard work, but I Won't Be Fooled Again, to coin a phrase.

I hope I'm wrong about this November being another bogus election. We shall see.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (Mxzkj)

162 Good grief. David Axelrod promoting Gavin Newsom for the Dems' candidate in 2024.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:21 AM (ptqGC
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Color me not in the slightest shocked. I guessed that Newsom would be groomed for higher office after the factional war took out Cuomo. Cuomo was in the wrong the faction. He's a gangster, like the Clintons. They got rid of him and he is done for. He's lucky he didn't suddenly commit suicide with two dissimilar pistols.

Newsom is handsome, speaks well, has great hair, is nicely aligned with the Maoists and runs a fully corrupt political machine in a state of major national importance (although not electorally - CA is irrelevant in national politics). Newsom was the obvious choice to be the standard-bearer once they knocked out Cuomo. The other big-name, big-state Dems are much weaker.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (WWh8n)

163 We have to get past this idea that we are responsible for "the whole world", so essentially, we need to abandon the "president of the world" BS. I think Boehner takes "leader of the free world" a bit too literally. We also have to stop funding shit shows like Ukraine and "liberation" wars. If Blinken wants to liberate Russia from Putin, he needs to say it out loud, and not hide behind the Zboy

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2022 11:27 AM (ONvIw)

164 It sounds like Cornyn is pretty confident about the senate but not entirely sure about the house but says it will pass. Wants a "huge" vote. No discussion about the specifics of the bill. Lots of "centrists" bashing conservatives.

Posted by: LASue at June 23, 2022 11:27 AM (Ed8Zd)

165 I strongly suspect those first two groups would be 100-0 pro Biden and the last group much less so.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (ESjRY)

ah, well that explains the 70% overall in favor of Biden.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:27 AM (trdmm)

166 But we have to move on from Trump and the cult of personality.

Drop the “cult of personality” crap. No need to insult a significant percentage of the base.

Posted by: Squid at June 23, 2022 11:27 AM (qgCxF)

167 The population is general is basically 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 on just about everything except I've always thought that Independents were pretty much Democrats lite. So, lean Democrat and don't want to be associated with icky Republicans so take a middle route. For the first time we have almost 2/3 rds on our side. Let's try and make the most of it.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 23, 2022 11:27 AM (Y+l9t)

168 Vichy 14 Republicans

Vichy Republicans...me likey.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:27 AM (/NCI4)

169 By the way, one subversion of the NYSRPA case being planned by NY was a blanketing of "sensitive places" where you can't carry. NY was planning on making virtually everywhere a "sensitive place". Thomas took a flamethrower to that.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 11:27 AM (amOmU)

170 Good grief. David Axelrod promoting Gavin Newsom for the Dems' candidate in 2024.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:21 AM (ptqGC)

I've seen that on several leftist outlets. They realize they need to run a Governor - anyone in Congress is now too toxic to even think of running - and Newsom is about the only name they have. (well, Stacey Abrams) Cuomo was always supposed to be their big back up plan to Biden - HAH!
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (trdmm)


Their entire bench smells like crusty ass and has since everyone propped up the Clintons and Gaylord; and now the senile paste eater.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (y7DUB)

171 139 Isn't it interesting that this decision is revealed on the day the senate is supposed to vote on the gun legislation. Puts a damper on the celebration, no?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM

Whose celebration? Ours at constitutional carry, or theirs at passing RFLs?

I think theirs. They're on notice that those provisions guaranteeing both pre- and post-deprivation constitutional rights better have teeth.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (vcv8B)

172 The Party can't be reformed. This has been categorically proven - in every failed attempt to do so since Barry Goldwater. Including the cataclysmic failure we all *just experienced* so recently that it may as well have been yesterday. Five years of unremitting and ultimately successful resistance from the Party on all fronts, capped off when it helped the Democrats execute a coup.

But hey - it'll work this time, amirite? After their litany of betrayals, we'll reward them with a Congressional majority, and that'll teach 'em!

The GOP is laughing in your faces. Literally. Look at this gun control thing, and Cornyn """joking""" about amnesty. These people know they can abuse their base in the open, in perpetuity, and get away with it, because the Republican base are no less plantation voters than the LIVs the Dems have.

If anything, their voters are worse - because they *are* informed, and know better, but just can't resist the siren call of the cuckshed.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (IXpV7)

^^^^^^^^^
This. Well done YD!

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (N39Ws)

173 "- Currently controls the levers of power and money within the party"

Not just "currently". This IS the party. It has been the party for at least my entire lifetime, with outliers like Reagan who meant well but still had a mixed bag of success with fighting it.

I've mentioned before - I come from a GOP establishment family, with those who have ran for or held office, and made careers as lobbyists. McCain, Romney, Graham, and the Turtle - that IS the real GOP. It is their staff, spouses, family, business partners, and assorted clients and hangers-on. They have always despised the peasants and PDT about gives them a stroke.

The GOP is like some sort of Brooks Brothers clad multi level marketing racket with creepy cult overtones. Any actual conservatives in my family have basically been expelled or GTFO'ed, leaving behind a bunch of businessmen overseeing outsourcing empires, establishment public servants, and a younger generation half of which are moonbats.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (++emK)

174 So the real Constitution says
President: Popular vote so all CITIZENS were participants

Nope. President is elected by the Electoral College, and it's up to each state legislature to decide how electors are chosen. George Washington never got a single popular vote.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (7B5FA)

175 In reality, what would the democrat party have to do to lose the black vote?

Posted by: Mehive

It would take a GOP party full of candidates who have the guts to attack the Dems on the mass shootings that happen to black people every week in blue cities.

Posted by: Ultra pj at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (G1dq6)

176 135 Two guys walked into my local BBQ place the other day, their sidearms on their hips. Not even a glance by the locals. But the people in one booth were bugeyed the whole time they were there. Leaned over to my buddies and said" yep, they're from Illinois".

Posted by: kraken at June 23, 2022 11:22 AM (Vr12I)

I saw that ina Walmart once, dude open carrying, nobody looks twice. Except one couple who were looking and pointing at him as if they had seen an alien. I just happened to walk out of the store at the same time they did and yep, California plates, lol.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (OalnH)

177 Sorry, that really is too long to read.

Here's my thing though, if we're dividing the Republican party into camps. There's probably a third one here, and it needs to be noted. This is the camp that has given up on government in ALL ways, including the military, as well as federal and local law enforcement.

I have no sense of pride in our military. Not anymore, and I sure as shit don't support our efforts to impose our "values" around the world. Our values tend to be kill as many swarthy third world assholes as we can, to the benefit of the corporatists. Grind up American service personnel for little more than the profits of the military industrial complex.

And since we're on the subject of what's wrong with MAGA, until there a reckoning for what Trump allowed to happen to small businesses as a result of the Covid scam, I'm not voting for the guy. Period.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (5FSzs)

178 Alito pretty much calls Sotomayor, Kagen and Breyer idiots in his concurring opinion!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (5yprQ)

179 Representatives: Local "district" election by the residents of the district, many of whom might actually know the candidates personally.

People per house district in 2020: 710,767

People per house district in 1790 = 34,000

We need 20x as many Federal Reps.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (ESjRY)

180 lol

@JackPosobiec - 1m
Libs out here having a real one

Stephanie Mickus @smickable - 17m
The Supreme Court seems OBSESSED with wanting people to carry things (hidden weapons, fetuses they don't want) maybe they should just be managers at TGI Fridays or Applebees. And may it please the court if you choose Chili's you get to bring out the fajita skillets!

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Cope. Harder. Clown.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (ptqGC)

181 Joe - In the case of Rich Baris, the consumer of the poll is you and me. His work is publicly funded. He gets donations from his followers to do the polling.

He also has private clients for specific districts and states and will share those results with his community.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 11:29 AM (5p7BC)

182 The key to winning in mid terms is to get out your base. Pissing off your base is not a good recipe for success. And most of Penn (outside of Pitt, Philly and the collars) votes more like Alabama than any other state in the Northeast (see Carvilles comment)


this used to be true. the collar counties around philly have grown MASSIVELY - and they are at best purple if not blue

you will need SOME of these people to win I'm afraid. and Oz does have a chance. humorously, his early openness to alternative COVID treatments will help him a LOT with the wine karens around me. they are souring on the govt response big time.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 11:29 AM (w0NJk)

183 108. Several weeks ago a ninth circuit court judge struck down CA law requiring someone to be 21 to purchase firearms. Because an 18 year old is considered a legal adult. But the Senators ignored and put the time limit and other crap on 18-20 year olds in this latest bill.

Posted by: Jen the original at June 23, 2022 11:29 AM (pdT3z)

184 It's amazing that any American politician Republican or Democrat, can say "America first" has no place in our politics.

America first is our fucking national representatives' ONLY job, FFS. Nothing else.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2022 11:29 AM (Mxzkj)

185 155 The crumbling state of America is currently being blamed on the left. If the GOP takes over Congress then all that is on them.

The Republican party does not have the fortitude to see this through.

The Democrat party has more at stake. They'll pull out all the stops and rig the mid-terms and '24 to cement one-party control. The GOP will go along.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 23, 2022 11:25 AM (BFigT)

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"The Party in Power" is always the party that controls the White House.

Messaging will happen (just like messaging right now that inflation isn't happening), but the perception is always that those who control the WH are the ones in power.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:29 AM (LvTSG)

186 How's the cheese, CBD?

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 11:29 AM (5p7BC)

187 Hey Dave rant!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at June 23, 2022 11:30 AM (O1uOl)

188 Kavanaugh's concurrence was right. This ruling really only affects the 7 states that have "may issue" provisions for licensing that allow the government to have discretion, but doesn't really affect the 43 states that have "must issue" provisions for licensing.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:24 AM (7B5FA)

It's kind of fun to see a ruling that targets only the Bluest of the Blue states and leaves all of us Red States alone.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:30 AM (trdmm)

189 "We have a real problem with LIVs refusing to do even the most basic analysis of what is going on around them.

The FNM told them the Obama years and now the Biden years are great for them while the Trump years were only good for the rich.

The opposite is actually true, as these people experienced personally. And yet a core number of them refuse to "believe their lying eyes"
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:15 AM (ESjRY)"

Look back to the PDT tax cuts and all of the confusion about why people's paychecks went up. And in some cases, the mental gymnastics HR and Payroll played trying to avoid actually telling people what was going on, because they were lefties.

See also, all of the people who DID get massive pay increases, but didn't actually notice them until you pointed it out and THEN refused to accept what they were from, because they don't have an original thought in their head in the first fucking place. We are awash with retards; it is what it is.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at June 23, 2022 11:30 AM (++emK)

190 I no longer believe that voting matters, notwithstanding the poll results you cite. I appreciate the hard work, but I Won't Be Fooled Again, to coin a phrase.

I hope I'm wrong about this November being another bogus election. We shall see.
Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (Mxzkj)


I'm right there with you, Sharkman.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2022 11:30 AM (DRSnL)

191 >>> Wait wait wait. Are you saying the the Orange Man actually has a plan?
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (rC6MC)

an orange man a plan panamegnarona

Oh man! Now I want to travel to Panamegnarona. I bet it's beautiful this time of year.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 11:30 AM (0rQxu)

192 A strong minority of MAGA types won't guaranty his entire agenda gets enacted, but it at least allows him a chance and puts pressure on the GOPe types and makes it harder for the GOPe to completely undermine him.

No matter what happens in 2022 and 2024 we aren't going to see a MAGA controlled GOP.
Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (ky+MF)

Leadership matters in congress... as ling as the GOPe runs things they will use the purse to keep MAGA off committee's and other positions where they could actually matter, just like the tea party.
As numbers increase this becomes more difficult, but the tea party had good numbers and I remember leadership moving committee assignments around to disfavor them.

Posted by: Inogame at June 23, 2022 11:30 AM (53oGX)

193 162 Newsom is handsome, speaks well, has great hair, is nicely aligned with the Maoists and runs a fully corrupt political machine in a state of major national importance (although not electorally - CA is irrelevant in national politics). Newsom was the obvious choice to be the standard-bearer once they knocked out Cuomo. The other big-name, big-state Dems are much weaker.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (WWh8n)

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He'll bomb out in Iowa, perform decently in NH, and then bomb out in SC.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:30 AM (LvTSG)

194 "Alito's concurrence is better, when you get to it.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (7B5FA)"

I'm laughing at Thomas section on what it means to "bear" and how he posits that's not at the dinner table. Lolol

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 11:30 AM (amOmU)

195 But... here's something to consider about the GOP; while they might very much want to regain control of Congress they very much DO NOT want to be saddled with the blame of the coming recession/depression. The crumbling state of America is currently being blamed on the left. If the GOP takes over Congress then all that is on them. ...
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 23, 2022 11:25 AM (BFigT)
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The GOP takes the blame. That's what they do. Why do you think they fight so hard for even a single Republican vote on every piece of bad Democrat legislation? Because then it's "bi-partisan" and they have to share blame. The Republicans make this scheme possible, every time, like clockwork.

Taking blame is what they do. They don't want *all* of the blame, but they never want to be left out of the firing squad and always want to take most of the bullets. This keeps the more-powerful and less-checked wing of the Uniparty in effective power for longer periods of time.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:31 AM (WWh8n)

196
Coronavirus, Monkeypox, and people walking around with guns! What are the republicans doing to this country?

* SHRIEK *

Posted by: Karen CheChe at June 23, 2022 11:31 AM (dQvv7)

197 I saw Cuckshed open for Hot Buttered Rum at the NY blue grass festival in '82

Posted by: Maj. Healey Who WIll Never Again Vote Republican at June 23, 2022 11:31 AM (MkYsY)

198 The asperations of Avennatti, dashed.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 23, 2022 11:31 AM (44ww/)

199 Ace has so much material today:

@ananavarro - 48m

How tone-deaf to America's very real gun violence epidemic can the majority in the Supreme Court be?

This is a disgrace.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:31 AM (ptqGC)

200 168 Vichy 14 Republicans

Vichy Republicans...me likey.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:27 AM

When Joni Ernst was running for office, her commercial said she'd make the Washington establishment "squeal" (like the hogs she castrated growing up on a farm).

I haven't seen much of that...just sucking up to the GOPe. I'm guessing she's got her eyes on higher office, and thinks she has a better chance being a loyal party foot soldier. So disappointing.

Posted by: Iowa Farm Boy at June 23, 2022 11:31 AM (JCZqz)

201 50. I know a psychiatrist from a big blue city that received credible death threats from a former patient. It took years to get concealed carry. It was not just the anti-gun people who opposed this, but the hospital itself "we can't go around shooting the sick, no matter how they behave".

in NJ we had a case where the police shot and killed a patient who was rushing them with a huge carving knife. The staff where I worked went nuts "there should have been a better way". The better way was for him to stay on meds, but too many people oppose involuntary meds, and lawyers fight this and commitment. I think the shooting was entirely justified, and said so.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2022 11:32 AM (ONvIw)

202 Red Flag meets Constitutional Carry. Constitutional Carry wins.
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Braun goes farther than that, it says, only those restrictions widely in place in the US when the 2nd was passed are allowed.

There were no restrictions on what or when someone could own a gun then. There were only some limits to where one could carry in public that's all.

Taking your guns is now subject to strick scrutiny. Red flag laws don't even come close to Constitutional now. The NFA of 1933 is next to fall.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 23, 2022 11:32 AM (vZ5WW)

203 I no longer believe that voting matters, notwithstanding the poll results you cite. I appreciate the hard work, but I Won't Be Fooled Again, to coin a phrase.

I hope I'm wrong about this November being another bogus election. We shall see.

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FWIW, this is literally one of the goals of the US/CIA and associates (Gates and Soros to name two) color revolutions.

This is exactly how they're intended to work.

Fun fact: Financial turmoil and collapse is another.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 23, 2022 11:32 AM (g7CEa)

204 "Opposes illegal immigration understanding that it drives down wages for working class Americans"

It's more insidious than that. Just like gun laws and urban youth, the model the Establishment is pushing is one where laws enacted by the representative republic are ignored by prosecutors and judges if you are a politically desirable offender.

It destroys any notion of being a nation of laws and plops us right back into the tyranny of the whims of whomever has the office. The shift in power from a deliberative legislative process, that is slow and difficult by design, to a model where prosecutorial discretion outweighs the legislative process is a fast track to tyranny.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at June 23, 2022 11:32 AM (cupoy)

205 People per house district in 2020: 710,767

People per house district in 1790 = 34,000

We need 20x as many Federal Reps.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (ESjRY)

Try to imagine a Congress with 9,000 members. Even I'd start agitating for an Emperor to stop the madness.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:32 AM (trdmm)

206 Newsom is handsome, speaks well, has great hair, is nicely aligned with the Maoists and runs a fully corrupt political machine in a state of major national importance (although not electorally - CA is irrelevant in national politics). Newsom was the obvious choice to be the standard-bearer once they knocked out Cuomo. The other big-name, big-state Dems are much weaker.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (WWh8n)


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He's also Pelosi's nephew.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (ptqGC)

207 >>The Party can't be reformed. This has been categorically proven - in every failed attempt to do so since Barry Goldwater. Including the cataclysmic failure we all *just experienced* so recently that it may as well have been yesterday. Five years of unremitting and ultimately successful resistance from the Party on all fronts, capped off when it helped the Democrats execute a coup.

The only thing that has been proven is previous attempts have failed. There is zero proof the party can't be reformed if the right approach is used.

Did you expect an embedded establishment to just roll over and give up? Of course they will fight back and this was never going to be a fight that took one or even a handful of elections. This is a constant battle because power and money are involved.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (ZLI7S)

208 Stephanie Mickus @smickable - 17m
The Supreme Court seems OBSESSED with wanting people to carry things (hidden weapons, fetuses they don't want) maybe they should just be managers at TGI Fridays or Applebees. And may it please the court if you choose Chili's you get to bring out the fajita skillets!


The *real* source of that anger is of course that if blue states get gun rights, Antifa is dead.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (ZGrMX)

209 A strong minority of MAGA types won't guaranty his entire agenda gets enacted, but it at least allows him a chance and puts pressure on the GOPe types and makes it harder for the GOPe to completely undermine him.

No matter what happens in 2022 and 2024 we aren't going to see a MAGA controlled GOP.
Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (ky+MF)
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Then there's no point. A "strong minority" is a lot like one of those "moral victories" that they go on about so much. Without the ability to tightly control the dregs of the old party and make them more afraid of the new guys than the establishment, it's impossible to move the party.

This is why I think the party is unreformable, unsalvagable and should be destroyed. I will happily - gleefully, even - eat my words if they turn out to be anything other than shitheels who keep doing what they've been doing for thirty solid years.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (WWh8n)

210 59 When I see a poll asking for race, party and income, it goes right into the shredder. I got no time for that shit.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 23, 2022 11:12 AM (0ocXn)

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I bought a handgun from a dealer back in the mid-90s (some shithole south of Oakland), and on the federal form I had to fill out (pre-online days) it asked for Race -- and I wrote in "Human."

While I'm sitting on a couch, the dude behind the counter is checking my form, and comes running out from behind the counter screaming at me: "You think THIS IS FUNNY? I don't need the goddamn ATF down here crawling all up in my ass!"

I was kind of stunned. He ripped it up, got me a new form, and said "you get one more chance to fill it out, and do it right this time."

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (ZNlqs)

211 199 Ace has so much material today:

@ananavarro - 48m

How tone-deaf to America's very real gun violence epidemic can the majority in the Supreme Court be?

This is a disgrace.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:31 AM (ptqGC)

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How about reporting people for crimes they commit before they commit mass murder? Arresting them and putting them in jail? Or is that injustice to put anyone in jail?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (LvTSG)

212 While they disagree on important policy points, both sides are united in their desire for Democrats to lose.
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I will take the time to read the rest of this, much appreciated Dave. But I had to comment on the above. I don't know that the Corporatist wing necessarily wants the Dems to lose. More evidence is needed, esp. after the sell-out on red flag law and additional funding to FBI. I think this vote aligns with the desire from big corporations.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (fs1hN)

213 On earlier thread someone opined that the remaining nine SC case rulings will all be given tomorrow. Any Horde thoughts on that?

Posted by: kraken at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (Vr12I)

214 155 But... here's something to consider about the GOP; while they might very much want to regain control of Congress they very much DO NOT want to be saddled with the blame of the coming recession/depression. The crumbling state of America is currently being blamed on the left. If the GOP takes over Congress then all that is on them. The Republican party does not have the fortitude to see this through.
-snip-
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 23, 2022 11:25 AM (BFigT)

One the one hand, FDR rode failure through three terms as POTUS; he had no problem blaming Hoover for his lack of economic recovery during most of his presidency, and voters didn't punish him either. On the other hand, Reagan stayed with Volcker during the worst of the Fed-induced recession, and gave him important political cover to see it through. This was at least as important as what Volcker did.

While Trump's business background helped both during the recovery pre-and during COVID, I'm not sure where it will help during this current period. Jay Powell isn't Paul Volcker, and I don't know who will lead us out on the Fed side during Trump II. I still want to see it; I just don't see how it gets done.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (rC6MC)

215 Pretty sure the NYSRPA is going to strike down any AR bans, mag bans and registration schemes, to name a few. The historical test and the standards alone seem to do that.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (amOmU)

216 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (IXpV7)

^^^^^^^^^
This. Well done YD!
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (N39Ws)

The Mises Caucus, which JUST took over the Libertarian Party, enters the chat.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (5FSzs)

217 208 Stephanie Mickus @smickable - 17m
The Supreme Court seems OBSESSED with wanting people to carry things (hidden weapons, fetuses they don't want) maybe they should just be managers at TGI Fridays or Applebees. And may it please the court if you choose Chili's you get to bring out the fajita skillets!

The *real* source of that anger is of course that if blue states get gun rights, Antifa is dead.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (ZGrMX)


Blue states still have blue DAs that will turn your life to hell if you ever use a gun against one of their fellow travellers.

Posted by: Liberty at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (yjTJ6)

218 The only thing that has been proven is previous attempts have failed. There is zero proof the party can't be reformed if the right approach is used.

Running for President as an outsider was proven impossible until 2016.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (ZGrMX)

219 maybe they should just be managers at TGI Fridays or Applebees. And may it please the court if you choose Chili's you get to bring out the fajita skillets!

What do right to life issues and gun rights have to do with Chilis and Applebees?!! Weird post that was obviously sent out without any thought.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (FZ2cV)

220 Gavin will bomb out in SC, but win in GA

Posted by: Dominion Voting Machines for donk victory at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (ONvIw)

221 Thanks Dave in Fla. I find it interesting, and unsurprising, that abortion is a low-to-middle class issue. I had not considered that fact before. Thanks for bringing it to light.

Posted by: Corona-exile lost in spaces at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (3wNhr)

222 The Supreme Court STRIKES DOWN a New York gun-control law that required people to show "proper cause" to get a license to carry a concealed handgun outside the home. The vote is 6-3.
https://twitter.com/scotusblog/

Posted by: Toni at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (2YShK)

Thanks, President Trump.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (nByzo)

223 215 Pretty sure the NYSRPA is going to strike down any AR bans, mag bans and registration schemes, to name a few. The historical test and the standards alone seem to do that.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (amOmU)

As I recall, Heller specifically said registration would be OK because the founders would want to know what would be available for the militia.

Posted by: Liberty at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (yjTJ6)

224 It's kind of fun to see a ruling that targets only the Bluest of the Blue states and leaves all of us Red States alone.

LOL.

Capping the deductibility of state and local taxes on Federal taxes was most brilliant thing the Republicans did in office.

It overwhelmingly screws rich people in Blue States, and the Democrats can't get rid of it, because it brings in too much money to the government.

It costs me money, living in high-tax Oregon, but it's worth it just for the amusement value.

Posted by: The $10,000 Federal Deduction Cap On State And Local Taxes! at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (I2/tG)

225 If Congress passes the Red Flag law restricting 2A protection, will a suit opposing it make it to SCOTUS, and will SCOTUS strike it down citing, "Congress Shall Not..."?

Posted by: davidt at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (oTZbj)

226 Oregon, as fvcked up as it is, has had "shall issue" ccw permits for decades. We also have legal open carry. Whenever someone looks all bug-eyed at a dude with a pistol on his hip, I want to tell them "for every one gun you see, there are 5 or 10 that you don't."

Posted by: PabloD at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (rbh9X)

227 217 Blue states still have blue DAs that will turn your life to hell if you ever use a gun against one of their fellow travellers.
Posted by: Liberty at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (yjTJ6)

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Well, the red areas of those blue states will have different DAs. Might want to move there.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

228 The really neat part is to now watch the people who by-golly performed a revolution and overthrew our system of government harassing and imprisoning and barring from office the folks who asked that election law be obeyed. That's how color revolutions work, too.

Can you see it yet?

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (g7CEa)

229 216 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (IXpV7)

^^^^^^^^^
This. Well done YD!
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (N39Ws)

The Mises Caucus, which JUST took over the Libertarian Party, enters the chat.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (5FSzs)

Maybe I'd care if they were named the Pinochet Caucus.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (b2nrj)

230 >The Supreme Court seems OBSESSED with wanting people to carry things (hidden weapons, fetuses they don't want)

Christ don't throw out your back when you stretch from the thing everyone is talking about to what you talk about every day. Rotator cuffs like "Defenestrator" Longshanks.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (44ww/)

231 222 The Supreme Court STRIKES DOWN a New York gun-control law that required people to show "proper cause" to get a license to carry a concealed handgun outside the home. The vote is 6-3.
https://twitter.com/scotusblog/

Posted by: Toni at June 23, 2022 11:10 AM (2YShK)

Thanks, President Trump.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (nByzo)

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McConnell (spit), as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

232 Another great piece, Dave in Fla.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (nByzo)

233 NY Gov Hochul (Cuomo with tits) is losing her mind over the SCOTUS ruling.
"This is NY. We don't back down. We fight back"

"Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets. I don't think they envisioned the high capacity assault weapon magazines intended for battlefields."

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (N39Ws)

234 Bonehead needs to just STFU and enjoy all the graft he's collected over the years. Be more like Obama, Bonehead.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (bW8dp)

235 Taking your guns is now subject to strick scrutiny. Red flag laws don't even come close to Constitutional now. The NFA of 1933 is next to fall.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 23, 2022 11:32 AM (vZ5WW)

Then after that we all get the party switch...

Posted by: Inogame at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (53oGX)

236 225 If Congress passes the Red Flag law restricting 2A protection, will a suit opposing it make it to SCOTUS, and will SCOTUS strike it down citing, "Congress Shall Not..."?
Posted by: davidt at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (oTZbj)

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The proposed law doesn't have a federal level red flag law. It has funding for state level laws.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:36 AM (LvTSG)

237 >>Running for President as an outsider was proven impossible until 2016.

Exactly.

Hell, I'm so old I remember when the Democrat party wasn't run by globalist communists. And then the party was taken over.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 11:36 AM (ZLI7S)

238 ... The GOP is like some sort of Brooks Brothers clad multi level marketing racket with creepy cult overtones. ...
Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (++emK)
++++
This is a brilliant description, somedood. Top marks.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:36 AM (WWh8n)

239 218 "The only thing that has been proven is previous attempts have failed. There is zero proof the party can't be reformed if the right approach is used."

Running for President as an outsider was proven impossible until 2016.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (ZGrMX)

Perhaps more importantly, we're out of time.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 11:36 AM (b2nrj)

240 >103 Nice analysis, Dave. I hope Ace is paying you well ... /

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 11:18 AM (ZNlqs)

Here's an extra bowl of Kaboom and a new genital sock for your efforts...

~Ace, probably.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at June 23, 2022 11:37 AM (NgqoH)

241 Taking blame is what they do. They don't want *all* of the blame, but they never want to be left out of the firing squad and always want to take most of the bullets. This keeps the more-powerful and less-checked wing of the Uniparty in effective power for longer periods of time.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:31 AM (WWh8n)

The Republicans are the beneficiary's of a huge windfall, the same undeserved luck that the Democrat Party had in 1930 and 1932. The downturn over the remainder of this year is going to be so bad (I expect a full on Greater Depression to be in place by November) that blame will already have been established in the publics mind, and the winners will have 10 - 20 years worth of goodwill before they have to worry.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:37 AM (trdmm)

242 Best Tweet Ever:

https://tinyurl.com/yyudwzar

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:37 AM (ptqGC)

243 Thomas also take a shot at some of the amicus briefs and there use of historical examples back to 1298, an destroys their arguments.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 11:37 AM (amOmU)

244 @ananavarro - 48m

How tone-deaf to America's very real gun violence epidemic can the majority in the Supreme Court be?

*

I'm willing to state publicly that we don't have one. Not really. Not any more than we ever had. The same violent sh*thole areas are still violent sh*thole areas, and the same areas filled with people who protect their family with guns - and coincedentally live in nice neighborhoods where people wave at one another - are relatively unchanged.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 23, 2022 11:37 AM (g7CEa)

245 Blue states still have blue DAs that will turn your life to hell if you ever use a gun against one of their fellow travellers.
Posted by: Liberty at June 23, 2022 11:34 AM (yjTJ6)

You're not wrong, but fearing for your life or getting your house burned down is only blunted by the thought of a terrible long trial. Not entirely suppressed.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 23, 2022 11:37 AM (44ww/)

246 Blue states still have blue DAs that will turn your life to hell if you ever use a gun against one of their fellow travellers.

I think people understand the opsec requirements in those cases by now.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 11:37 AM (ZGrMX)

247 241 The Republicans are the beneficiary's of a huge windfall, the same undeserved luck that the Democrat Party had in 1930 and 1932. The downturn over the remainder of this year is going to be so bad (I expect a full on Greater Depression to be in place by November) that blame will already have been established in the publics mind, and the winners will have 10 - 20 years worth of goodwill before they have to worry.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:37 AM (trdmm)

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Plus, Democrats are well on record for wanting to cut off Jimmy's dick.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

248 But... here's something to consider about the GOP; while they might very much want to regain control of Congress they very much DO NOT want to be saddled with the blame of the coming recession/depression. The crumbling state of America is currently being blamed on the left. If the GOP takes over Congress then all that is on them. The Republican party does not have the fortitude to see this through.
-snip-
Posted by: Martini Farmer

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Nobody ever buys into this, its always the President that either gets the blame or the credit.

FWIW, I'm in the camp that thinks we easily win the House and blow out the next election in almost all races, but the Dems keep the Senate just because of the specific races and we did a piss poor job of recruiting viable candidates.

So Biden will likely not have a GOP Congress to blame either.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 11:38 AM (/Mfjh)

249 > Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets.

Would like to point out to this babbling idiot that at the time people could, and did, have privately owned field artillery pieces and fully-armed warships.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 23, 2022 11:38 AM (bW8dp)

250 NPC meltdown is just getting started.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2022 11:38 AM (ay/nJ)

251 Them's an awful lot a words to describe We Are Fucked.

Posted by: Dream On at June 23, 2022 11:38 AM (YuGGP)

252 @ananavarro - 48m

How tone-deaf to America's very real gun violence epidemic can the majority in the Supreme Court be?

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"SCOTUS should be political and on my side."
-Suggested translation

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:38 AM (LvTSG)

253 >>215 Pretty sure the NYSRPA is going to strike down any AR bans, mag bans and registration schemes, to name a few. The historical test and the standards alone seem to do that.
Posted by: Marcus T a

I agree with this.

Posted by: Maj. Healey Who WIll Never Again Vote Republican at June 23, 2022 11:38 AM (MkYsY)

254 We are messaging this wrong. What we should be saying is "You are paying for what this government does. Why do they think you shouldn't get something for it? Why do they want to help everyone in the world except American citizens?"

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 23, 2022 11:38 AM (5HBd1)

255
Establishment:
- Wall Street

MAGA:
- Main Street
Posted by: ShainS


What about the Back Street Boys?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (63Dwl)

256 "190 I no longer believe that voting matters, notwithstanding the poll results you cite. I appreciate the hard work, but I Won't Be Fooled Again, to coin a phrase.

I hope I'm wrong about this November being another bogus election. We shall see.
Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (Mxzkj)

I'm right there with you, Sharkman.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2022 11:30 AM (DRSnL)"

I don't think voting matters because demographically the Dem-aided invasion of illegals plus the money printing and borrowing has doomed us as a functioning culture/republic unless something massively unpleasant happens. You cannot vote your way out of math, and there are no peaceful solutions we might vote into effect via the framework of the republic (even if it still mattered, which it doesn't).

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (++emK)

257 Well, the red areas of those blue states will have different DAs. Might want to move there.

One of the reasons I live in a suburban county of Portland.

If required, I get a suburban jury, not a Portland jury.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (I2/tG)

258 You'll have to call it the "America First Party" and remind the GOPe every day that they're not a big tent for a big wide issue.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (44ww/)

259 Perhaps more importantly, we're out of time.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 11:36 AM (b2nrj)

I agree - that's why I'm no longer very concerned about fiscal matters, it just doesn't matter anymore. We are so far past the point of no return that any "reform" can only push the date of he collapse back by a few days at most. Our ship has already hit the iceberg, and we're all just sitting on the deck, arguing about the dance bands playlist.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (trdmm)

260 "puts on flame retardant suit"

No worries. An effort rivaling JJ Sefton!

Posted by: boynsea at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (cx155)

261 205 People per house district in 2020: 710,767

People per house district in 1790 = 34,000

We need 20x as many Federal Reps.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (ESjRY)

Try to imagine a Congress with 9,000 members. Even I'd start agitating for an Emperor to stop the madness.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:32 AM (trdmm)
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This is really an argument for subsidiarity & decentralization, but that's not gonna happen via voting or the courts IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (ZNlqs)

262 249 > Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets.

Would like to point out to this babbling idiot that at the time people could, and did, have privately owned field artillery pieces and fully-armed warships.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 23, 2022 11:38 AM (bW8dp)

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The First Amendment doesn't apply to anything but hand-cranked presses.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (LvTSG)

263 It appears to me that African Americans have it so ingrained in their minds that Dem = Non Racist and Republican =Racist that no amount of factual information will ever change their minds.

It is unbelievably disheartening to see Black Americans so oblivious to the truth and facts and so willing to vote for their own continued destruction.

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 11:20 AM (ky+MF)

I actually watched an argument in home depot last week. A black dude was pretty pissed at the prices of things he was buying, and was bitching at the cashier. Another dude in line in so many words said, well if you voted for biden you helped create this. The black dude says yeah I voted for biden, because trump is a racist. So yeah....

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (VwHCD)

264 "The proposed law doesn't have a federal level red flag law. It has funding for state level laws.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:36 AM (LvTSG)"

You didn't read it, did you. It is lawmaking and sets out presumptive standards and definitions which will be interpreted by courts as "law". From, you know, the lawmakers. Once Congress puts their imprimatur on it it will be used to buttress legal cases.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 11:40 AM (amOmU)

265 The "right track/wrong track" question assumes that the Democrats are capable of changing course. They are not. Their response to every failure of their policies is to try them harder.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 23, 2022 11:40 AM (p+1gI)

266 NPC meltdown is just getting started.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2022 11:38 AM (ay/nJ)

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https://tinyurl.com/yyudwzar

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:40 AM (ptqGC)

267 "233 NY Gov Hochul (Cuomo with tits) is losing her mind over the SCOTUS ruling.
"This is NY. We don't back down. We fight back"

"Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets. I don't think they envisioned the high capacity assault weapon magazines intended for battlefields."
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (N39Ws)"

Demonstrable nonsense, given cannons, grenades, private warships, repeating rifles, individual and crew served repeating and volley weapons - not to mention the clear distinction at the time between typical civilian arms (rifles) and military arms (smoothbores) that had a rate of fire several times higher.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at June 23, 2022 11:40 AM (++emK)

268 Then there's no point. A "strong minority" is a lot like one of those "moral victories" that they go on about so much. Without the ability to tightly control the dregs of the old party and make them more afraid of the new guys than the establishment, it's impossible to move the party.

This is why I think the party is unreformable, unsalvagable and should be destroyed. I will happily - gleefully, even - eat my words if they turn out to be anything other than shitheels who keep doing what they've been doing for thirty solid years.

Posted by: Joe Mannix

Than what is the point? What's the point of even caring about any of this? Why let it bother us? Why even follow political news and blogs?

We can't change anything. It will always be this way. It's over. So - what? What's the point?

Look - I agree we aren't getting what we want any time soon. But, I do believe we can start turning the GOP in that direction.

What's funny to me is Ace and the commenters here are where I was in 2002 vis a vis the GOP. I was saying back then it was a grift and we shouldn't support it. I was called a crank (cont'd next comment)

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 11:40 AM (ky+MF)

269 >>> The NFA of 1933 is next to fall.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 23, 2022 11:32 AM (vZ5WW)


I will buy a machine gun the next day and name her. We will travel everywhere together. They will write blockbuster romcom screenplays about us. My phone will be full of pictures of us and I'll constantly get notifications from my pic app, "remember this day" and it will be some photograph of us and I'll feel sentimental and reach over to tenderly hold the stock and things will get all blurry from the dust of course. [sniff]

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 11:40 AM (0rQxu)

270 The only step the Dems have left is to attempt to change the 2nd amendment. They've been avoiding it since the courts had given them every unconstitutional law they wanted. That no longer seems to be the case and it is going to force their hand.

Hopefully when this happens the States will vote it down.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 23, 2022 11:40 AM (MgJL2)

271 The proposed law doesn't have a federal level red flag law. It has funding for state level laws.

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Current SCOTUS (even Roberts) has been against federal coercion, but the states can cause a lot of trouble until SCOTUS may intervene. And there is no guaranty that SCOTUS will or that the makeup of the Court then will be as now.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (sX1BW)

272 233 NY Gov Hochul (Cuomo with tits) is losing her mind over the SCOTUS ruling.
"This is NY. We don't back down. We fight back"

What does she think "Supreme" means? you get sour cream and guac on your taco?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (cupoy)

273 I don't think voting matters because demographically the Dem-aided invasion of illegals plus the money printing and borrowing has doomed us as a functioning culture/republic unless something massively unpleasant happens.

A) something massively unpleasant IS about to happen
B) the legal hispanics are switching parties in large part. Who knew the tranny bullshit wouldn't fly with them?

The Dem's never planned on either of those things taking place.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (trdmm)

274 "There were no restrictions on what or when someone could own a gun then. There were only some limits to where one could carry in public that's all."

I think Justice Thomas was pretty clear that restrictions on felons, etc., owning guns, on unusual types of weapons, and on limiting certain places for carry like riots, courthouses, and schools were all still valid and not affected by today's ruling.

I don't think this ruling says anything at all about red flag laws or magazine restrictions. And it certainly doesn't say that permitting is unconstitutional. It just says that 7 states that give the government discretion to decide who deserves a permit and who doesn't can't do that any more.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (7B5FA)

275 ""The proposed law doesn't have a federal level red flag law. It has funding for state level laws.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:36 AM (LvTSG)"

The distinction is irrelevant when the funding we're talking about totals 950 million fucking dollars, plus another 750 million they're going to use as an antigun slush fund.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (++emK)

276 The only thing that has been proven is previous attempts have failed. There is zero proof the party can't be reformed if the right approach is used. ...
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (ZLI7S)
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At what point do you draw the line? At what point is reform impossible and thus the problem simply has to be removed? Every single attempt at reform failing for more than an entire human generation - and several political generations - seems to be an indicator that reform has failed. The establishment didn't fail to "roll over and give up" - it directly participated in a slow-motion coup and then actively conspired in the final corruption of the very system that is supposed to be able to reform them.

I admire your optimism, but at some point the thing can't be fixed. You don't try to repair a car that has all of a bent frame, shattered glass, rusted combustion chambers, seized transmission, leaky hydraulics and that was set on fire at some point. You replace that car.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (WWh8n)

277 I guess the GOPe thinks the Dems have screwed up the economy so badly, we have no choice other than to vote for them this November. This has emboldened them to betray us on gun rights and immigration. I am planning on staying home.

Posted by: butch at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (zLpRk)

278 What about the Back Street Boys?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (63Dwl)

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Globalist Street, featuring Klaus "Barbie" Schwab and his merry band of satanic butt-boys.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 11:42 AM (ZNlqs)

279 (Cont'd comment) and people said my position essentially supported democrats. I even got banned a number of times for being so anti-GOP (under different names). Nobody on this blog - not Ace, not commenters - agreed with me. Everyone still loved the GOP. And lo and behold - almost everyone here now agrees with what I argued in 2002 - 2016.

I'm not saying my arguments changed minds, but if so many people have come to my way of thinking, it seems things are going in that direction. Let's keep them going in that direction

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 11:42 AM (ky+MF)

280 How's the cheese, CBD? 

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 11:29 AM (5p7BC)

Almost as good as the oysters!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2022 11:42 AM (5yprQ)

281 As long as Democrat Supervisors of Elections don’t remove the dead Vote By Mail voters from the active voter lists, I worry for FL. In my county, for example, a man who has been dead five years is still receiving a ballot in NJ.

Posted by: EveR at June 23, 2022 11:42 AM (MUpk6)

282 "The only thing that has been proven is previous attempts have failed. There is zero proof the party can't be reformed if the right approach is used. ...
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 11:33 AM (ZLI7S)"

I have the feeling you're setting yourself up for serious disappointment again.

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at June 23, 2022 11:42 AM (++emK)

283 arguing about the dance bands playlist.

Steiner will come is a catchy tune.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at June 23, 2022 11:43 AM (+Vz8e)

284 If Congress passes the Red Flag law restricting 2A protection, will a suit opposing it make it to SCOTUS, and will SCOTUS strike it down citing, "Congress Shall Not..."?
Posted by: davidt at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (oTZbj)

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The proposed law doesn't have a federal level red flag law. It has funding for state level laws.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

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And with the 14th amendment?, the 2nd amendment applies to all the states. So my guess is each individual state would have to have their respective laws challenged.

Problem is, this could take decades to really sort out and what will the court look like then?

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 11:43 AM (/Mfjh)

285 262
The First Amendment doesn't apply to anything but hand-cranked presses.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (LvTSG)

And she (Hochul) should get her ass back in the kitchen making supper. Women didn't have the right to vote back then, either.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 11:43 AM (N39Ws)

286 BTW, I larfed when I read that Dr. Oz has ditched Trump after winning the primary.

Posted by: butch at June 23, 2022 11:43 AM (zLpRk)

287 Still, I find it cute that people think that concealed carry is a right granted by the State.

Wait, exactly who needs to know?

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 23, 2022 11:43 AM (0ocXn)

288 Hopefully when this happens the States will vote it down.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 23, 2022 11:40 AM (MgJL2)

They couldn't even get it through a Congress where they control both houses. Remember that an amendment needs to have a 2/3 vote in favor. That's why they've never tried actually changing the 2nd A., and why they never will.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:44 AM (trdmm)

289 I no longer believe that voting matters, notwithstanding the poll results you cite. I appreciate the hard work, but I Won't Be Fooled Again, to coin a phrase.

I hope I'm wrong about this November being another bogus election. We shall see.
Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2022 11:26 AM (Mxzkj)

I'm right there with you, Sharkman.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2022 11:30 AM (DRSnL)"

I don't think voting matters because demographically the Dem-aided invasion of illegals plus the money printing and borrowing has doomed us as a functioning culture/republic unless something massively unpleasant happens. You cannot vote your way out of math, and there are no peaceful solutions we might vote into effect via the framework of the republic (even if it still mattered, which it doesn't).

Posted by: somedood - skull mountain sherpa at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (++emK)

All of this.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 11:44 AM (nByzo)

290 "Who knew the tranny bullshit wouldn't fly with them?"

I have long awaited the War of the Fellow Travelers. I thought it would be muslims versus gheys, and my money was on the suicide bombers. It looks like we may be getting a less-lethal version that will deflate the Democrat coalition.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:44 AM (7B5FA)

291 Is there an R running against Crenshaw?

Ol' Deadeye Dan won his primary comfortably.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 23, 2022 11:44 AM (nfrXX)

292 "So don't get mad at me."

I could never be mad at you Dave.

Posted by: Lithiated gp For Vigor at June 23, 2022 11:44 AM (qpX6U)

293 I admire your optimism, but at some point the thing can't be fixed. You don't try to repair a car that has all of a bent frame, shattered glass, rusted combustion chambers, seized transmission, leaky hydraulics and that was set on fire at some point. You replace that car.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (WWh8n)

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You've obviously never seen Dukes of Hazzard.

/BTW, I agree with you. Always wondered if Trump could have created a successful 3rd Party (difficult as the 2-party system is obviously rigged for its own benefit), but we'll never know.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 11:44 AM (ZNlqs)

294 an orange man a plan panamegnarona

Oh man! Now I want to travel to Panamegnarona.


Damn! You were so close to PanMagaBurana

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:44 AM (/NCI4)

295 Look - I agree we aren't getting what we want any time soon. But, I do believe we can start turning the GOP in that direction.

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My personal belief is that the Boomers still have the voting sway in this country, and are still running the uniparty. As they become less a majority, and as they retire (at the leadership level) changes may accelerate.

I have my issues with the GOPe, but I think the Democrats are in far more trouble than the GOP from an electoral standpoint - long term.

But they have wisely corrupted the traditional conservative institutions - military and law enforcement. The Boomers have far more institutional trust in them (and in colleges) than other generations.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at June 23, 2022 11:44 AM (sX1BW)

296 284
And with the 14th amendment?, the 2nd amendment applies to all the states. So my guess is each individual state would have to have their respective laws challenged.

Problem is, this could take decades to really sort out and what will the court look like then?
Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 11:43 AM (/Mfjh)

Many states have a clause in their constitution with something very similar to the 2A.

New Hampshire:
Article 2-a. [The Bearing of Arms.] All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 11:45 AM (N39Ws)

297 I'm still for DIVORCE but I'm willing to do what I can to prevent a Dem takeover until that time.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 23, 2022 11:45 AM (MgJL2)

298 I guess the GOPe thinks the Dems have screwed up the economy so badly, we have no choice other than to vote for them this November. This has emboldened them to betray us on gun rights and immigration. I am planning on staying home.

Preach it, brother!

Wait until you see what the country looks like when the Squad is running it!

Posted by: The Democratic National Committee! at June 23, 2022 11:45 AM (I2/tG)

299 I think Newsom has a leg up because he's a cartoon. Cartoon parties need cartoon nominees.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 23, 2022 11:45 AM (sWM8x)

300 270 The only step the Dems have left is to attempt to change the 2nd amendment. They've been avoiding it since the courts had given them every unconstitutional law they wanted. That no longer seems to be the case and it is going to force their hand.

Hopefully when this happens the States will vote it down.
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 23, 2022 11:40 AM (MgJL2)

There's zero chance of actually changing the 2nd Amendment due to the high barrier involved in getting an amendment passed. Dems will either ignore the decision and be emboldened by corrupt judges, wait until some conservative justices die and replace them to overturn the decision, or pack the court.

Posted by: Liberty at June 23, 2022 11:46 AM (yjTJ6)

301 > 213 On earlier thread someone opined that the remaining nine SC case rulings will all be given tomorrow. Any Horde thoughts on that?

I think they can issue opinions next week as well.

Unless they're a lot dumber than I think, the Roe-killer opinion will drop about 10 milliseconds before they leave town for a nice long (and well-deserved) vacation.

There's no real reason to stick around and have your sleep destroyed by a mob of screeching commies outside your house.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 23, 2022 11:46 AM (bW8dp)

302
What does she think "Supreme" means? you get sour cream and guac on your taco?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls


Anchovies on the pizza and carrots in the chili.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2022 11:46 AM (63Dwl)

303 Posted by: butch at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (zLpRk)

So you're in the Let it Burn camp? You can vote for the Dems to make it happen sooner.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 23, 2022 11:46 AM (MgJL2)

304 NPC meltdown is just getting started.

They're ramping up a "National Day for Blacks and Gays To Buy Guns", and getting angry when people like Dave Reaboi ask how they can help promote it.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 11:46 AM (ZGrMX)

305 The media will play a huge part in casting blame for the national failures of the left's agenda. Right now they're doing all they can to gaslight the public about how great things are and how "expecting less" is patriotic. Should the Republicans gain any amount of control of government the media will immediately pivot to "it's all the Republican's fault." Every horrible stat about the recession, prices, shortages, etc. will be blamed on the right. It doesn't matter who's in the White House. The media drives the left's narrative regardless. And there are plenty of rubes who'll buy this line of garbage just in time for the next national election. If it's held.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 23, 2022 11:46 AM (BFigT)

306 Than what is the point? What's the point of even caring about any of this? Why let it bother us? Why even follow political news and blogs? ... Look - I agree we aren't getting what we want any time soon. But, I do believe we can start turning the GOP in that direction. ...
Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 11:40 AM (ky+MF)
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And that is where we disagree. I think the GOP cannot be fixed and needs to be destroyed. Beyond that, though, I also do think that the problems are now so vast and so complete that fixing it in general is now impossible. I do think the game is lost. The Republic is dead and is never coming back. The government is enormous, corrupt and unfixable. One of two things will happen over the next decade or so:
1. The current system metastasizes and we become a fully, top-down, total-control totalitarian dictatorship with no more window dressing. For your vision of the future, see Red China.
2. The current system fails and the country fractures. The country splits into 4-6 different successor states that have tense relationships.

As to why follow it? Why not? I care about what has been lost, and I care about what's coming.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:46 AM (WWh8n)

307 My personal belief is that the Boomers still have the voting sway in this country, and are still running the uniparty. As they become less a majority, and as they retire (at the leadership level) changes may accelerate.

I firmly expect "suddenly, then all at once".

Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 11:47 AM (ZGrMX)

308 Posting this for the LOLs...

Keith Olbermann
@KeithOlbermann
It has become necessary to dissolve the Supreme Court of the United States.

The first step is for a state the "court" has now forced guns upon, to ignore this ruling.

Great. You're a court? Why and how do think you can enforce your rulings?

#IgnoreTheCourt
7:47 AM · Jun 23, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at June 23, 2022 11:47 AM (MFZ8i)

309 Sorry, "slowly, then all at once".

Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 11:47 AM (ZGrMX)

310 I admire your optimism, but at some point the thing can't be fixed. You don't try to repair a car that has all of a bent frame, shattered glass, rusted combustion chambers, seized transmission, leaky hydraulics and that was set on fire at some point. You replace that car.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (WWh8n)

I think our plan should be the one the Left has been using so effectively for decades now. Take over the Republican Party, gut it, and wear it's skin as a Skin Suit.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:47 AM (trdmm)

311 I admire your optimism, but at some point the thing can't be fixed.

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When we get there, we get there. I don't think we are there yet, but we may be perilously close. The death of the Whig party offers a guide. But the death of that party coincided with a Civil War. In hindsight, it seems like it was obvious. But if you were living in 1855 - I doubt it did.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at June 23, 2022 11:47 AM (sX1BW)

312 Dave in Fla

Thank you for giving us Hope.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 23, 2022 11:48 AM (u82oZ)

313 >>At what point do you draw the line? At what point is reform impossible and thus the problem simply has to be removed? Every single attempt at reform failing for more than an entire human generation - and several political generations - seems to be an indicator that reform has failed.

Never. I will never give up because giving up means conceding that this country is over. I don't think some of you understand the ramifications of that. If we give we consign ourselves and ensuing generations to a diminished and unAmerican lifestyle full of tyranny and a greatly diminished way of life.

This country was founded by people who were considered radicals by the establishment and were told they were doomed to failure because there was no way they could beat the biggest empire in the world. Until they did. People have fought and sacrificed including many times the ultimate sacrifice to preserve our way of life and our rights.

It has nothing to do with optimism. It is our duty to the next generation to leave them at least as much as we were given. All enemies, foreign and domestic.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 11:48 AM (ZLI7S)

314

@PreetBharara

SCOTUS read neither the room nor the Constitution correctly.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:48 AM (ptqGC)

315 Right after The Steal, I said that the only way to fix our corrupt system would be for Trump to start his own party and start interviewing true conservative candidates to back in every state and federal election. No more supporting "Republicans" just because they have their own party structure in place.

The change has to occur at the state level, because it's at the state level that the corruption starts. State legislators see federal office as a way to get personally rich and to guarantee their family's wealth in future generations, so you have to have true conservatives elected there before you can get them into federal office.

It would have even a lot of work, but running a conservative Trump party candidate against every state and federal office holder, no matter the party, would have created something that would have been unstoppable after a few election cycles. That's because this country is actually majority conservative, not commie/lib. Reagan (PBUH) proved that decades ago and it is still true today.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2022 11:48 AM (Mxzkj)

316 304 NPC meltdown is just getting started.

They're ramping up a "National Day for Blacks and Gays To Buy Guns", and getting angry when people like Dave Reaboi ask how they can help promote it.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 11:46 AM (ZGrMX)

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Drink the Bruen-do! It has electrolytes!

Posted by: 496 at June 23, 2022 11:48 AM (VJsqe)

317 NY Gov Hochul (Cuomo with tits) is losing her mind over the SCOTUS ruling.
"This is NY. We don't back down. We fight back"

"Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets. I don't think they envisioned the high capacity assault weapon magazines intended for battlefields."

This is why we'll never have nice things until the last of the dems are rotting on an impalement pole. Battlefield weapons in the hands of Americans IS/WAS the whole fucking point of the 2A. A counter to an invading army, or our own standing army should it fall under the control of a despot. We were to be armed with the what ever military weapons were in use of the time, be it 200 years ago, or 400 years into the future.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 23, 2022 11:48 AM (VwHCD)

318 As a continuation of my last 2 comments.

I forget which mid-term it was, but during W's reign, at one mid-term I argued here and other conservative blogs that conservatives should boycott the federal elections - vote in local and state but refuse to vote in federal elections - to put the fear of god into the GOP. That way, they'd have the numbers of people who undervoted in the federal elections and would see the losses they incurred and would stop taking conservatives for granted.

Everyone said it was a crazy idea. They argued I was a moby trying to help the dems win. But, I knew back then that the GOP hated conservatives and would always stab conservatives in the back and we needed to do something. But nobody wanted to do it. Every election is "the most important" election of all time and we can't let the dems win.

I argued it didn't matter. Whether the dems or GOP won congress, the left's agenda would get advanced. We needed to try and force the GOP to actually pursue conservative policy.

that appears to be where most of us here are thinking today. Everyone is 16 - 20 years late to my party.

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 11:48 AM (ky+MF)

319 ... I have my issues with the GOPe, but I think the Democrats are in far more trouble than the GOP from an electoral standpoint - long term. ...
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at June 23, 2022 11:44 AM (sX1BW)
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Which would matter if elections did. Sadly, I don't think they do. Not nationally. Depending on your state and locality, they very well may matter there.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:49 AM (WWh8n)

320 Posted by: Liberty at June 23, 2022 11:46 AM (yjTJ6)

That's what they said about prohibition. But yes I agree that the chances are slim but better than it's ever been.



Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 23, 2022 11:49 AM (MgJL2)

321 IgnoreTheCourt
7:47 AM · Jun 23, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe

Man is certifiable. So that would also apply to any court in the land correct? Anarchy, it's what's for breakfast.

Posted by: Cheri at June 23, 2022 11:49 AM (oiNtH)

322 254. There a black guy on Twitter who keeps saying this and he's pretty good at saying it. he is currently targeting the Ukraine and the nonsense that we have to put "money in the pocket" of their citizens. I think people are starting to look more clearly at this problem .

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2022 11:49 AM (ONvIw)

323 Just got here, lots to read

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 23, 2022 11:49 AM (0FitJ)

324 The wailing and gnashing of teeth is outstanding today.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (nByzo)

325 Boehner can eat a big bag of boners.

There. I said it.

Posted by: Brando at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (wSFh+)

326 308 Posting this for the LOLs...
@KeithOlbermann
It has become necessary to dissolve the Supreme Court of the United States. The first step is for a state the "court" has now forced guns upon, to ignore this ruling. Great. You're a court? Why and how do think you can enforce your rulings?

#IgnoreTheCourt
7:47 AM · Jun 23, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at June 23, 2022 11:47 AM (MFZ8i)

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"The unelected administrative state should have all power over everything. It's the American way."
-Something Sam the Eagle never quite got around to saying

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (LvTSG)

327 That's a lot to take in Dave.. Thanks for doing it... Do you think the current gun "bill" will hurt the republican's ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (bs+z0)

328 Oh my...DU is melting down over 2A and "the repeal of Miranda rights" lol. Thread is on guns ATM, so let's enjoy the schadenfreude there:

The use of originalism to judge the 2nd amendment is a fools errand. The only way you can do this is to make shit up. The Republicans on the Supreme Court are full of shit, they are liars. Originalism is one of the greatest scams of the 21st (and 20th) century

This Thomas opinion on guns is a hate crime against historians. There is no life, liberty or pursuit of happiness with every thumb-sucking incel walking around with a concealed weapon. Shit was more than bad enough already, Clarence.

SCOTUS will pick off every place where there are gun constraints. DC will be next -- so TFG's goons will have a more successful insurrection next time.

Where's the well regulated militia? We should only be allowed to own muskets. That's what the founders were talking about when the wrote the 2nd amendment. The founders were talking about state militias of that time, they don't exist anymore. The Republicans on the Supreme Court are full of shit.

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (JCZqz)

329 I'm single issue on guns. If you go against the right of citizens to protect themselves with whatever weapons they feel they need or want to, I'm against you.

I WILL donate to whoever, Democrat or Republican, is opposing these gun controlling GOP shitheels.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (V6f9+)

330 Dave in Fla, thanks for this. I am not surprised about the 2A numbers, I'm guessing folks like us follow this very closely, but most people have their hands full right now literally trying to figure out which bill not to pay so they can put gas in the car and food on the table. Guessing they view the gun thing the same as the J6 hearings: "Can't you idiots focus on getting prices down?" I don't like that they won't make the connection between gun ownership and keeping government from becoming tyranny, but it is what it is.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (rWFyW)

331 Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets.

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I'm prepared to go back to a lot of things myself. Like a government that didn't interfere with people's lives.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (sX1BW)

332 >SCOTUS read neither the room nor the Constitution correctly.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:48 AM (ptqGC)

Exactly what does the 'room' have anything to with Supreme Court Ruling? These people are absolutely retarded - I mean seriously intellectually stunted.

Posted by: Heavy Meta at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (NgqoH)

333 Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 23, 2022 11:48 AM (u82oZ)

Isn't that considered a crime by the "It's all over"? folks?

I am going to celebrate some good news and Eeyore (not the nice and interesting poster here)-just the general concept is not invited to my house today.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2022 11:51 AM (FZ2cV)

334 I do remember when it was all but inevitable that Hillary would be the next President.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2022 11:51 AM (vrz2I)

335 I'm single issue on guns. If you go against the right of citizens to protect themselves with whatever weapons they feel they need or want to, I'm against you.

I WILL donate to whoever, Democrat or Republican, is opposing these gun controlling GOP shitheels.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (V6f9+)

I'm with you. Without 2A, we become Venezuela or worse.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 11:51 AM (nByzo)

336 "As to why follow it?"

I read this content because it took a lot of effort to put it together, and I trust the source. I hope Dave gets paid for doing this work.

Posted by: Lithiated gp For Vigor at June 23, 2022 11:51 AM (qpX6U)

337 ... This Thomas opinion on guns is a hate crime against historians. There is no life, liberty or pursuit of happiness with every thumb-sucking incel walking around with a concealed weapon. Shit was more than bad enough already, Clarence. ...
Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM (JCZqz)
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That guy's a real asshole.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:51 AM (WWh8n)

338 @Joe M, I don't think it falls apart. I've posted this before several times, but the most fragile part of the country is the inner cities, and I think they collapse before anything else. Most of us are unaffected, but the combination of fiscal austerity (forced on us by the exploding debt) and urban unrest mean that the USA will evolve into a less centralized federal system where the red states become more powerful over time and the blue states less so. This plays out over the lifetimes of our children and grandchildren and won't be finished until after we're gone.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:51 AM (7B5FA)

339 The SCOTUS decision regarding CC in New York brings up a pertinent question--why is it necessary to obtain permission to exercise ANY Constitutionally affirmed right?

As I see it, infringement or abrogation of any right may be tolerated ONLY in the case of irresponsible exercise of said right. This is why we have a legal system.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2022 11:52 AM (KATBx)

340 @Joe M, I don't think it falls apart. I've posted this before several times, but the most fragile part of the country is the inner cities, and I think they collapse before anything else. Most of us are unaffected, but the combination of fiscal austerity (forced on us by the exploding debt) and urban unrest mean that the USA will evolve into a less centralized federal system where the red states become more powerful over time and the blue states less so. This plays out over the lifetimes of our children and grandchildren and won't be finished until after we're gone.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:51 AM (7B5FA)
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That would be a pretty good outcome, all things considered.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:52 AM (WWh8n)

341 >>SCOTUS will pick off every place where there are gun constraints. DC will be next -- so TFG's goons will have a more successful insurrection next time.


Uh - retard...they just did.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2022 11:52 AM (ay/nJ)

342 Trump clarified just this last week that he did NOT endorse Kevin McCarthy -- or anyone else -- for speaker. He only endorsed him for his re-election in his seat.

Mo Brooks is right now saying he is going to testify at the J6 committee. So anyone complaining that Trump should have endorsed him over Britt is full of cr*p.

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (YVBLw)

343 BREAKING NEWS: David Hogg is not pleased with the USSC decision announced this morning.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (a3Q+t)

344 PSA PSA: Today special PSA AK-103 (AK 47 Clone) and PSA Dagger (Glock G19 Clon-ish) for $999. All matchy matchy in FDE.

That's a lot of bang for your buck!

For those concerned about "wrong track" worth looking at. Also good for the "it just works" crowd.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (6TxNR)

345
@KeithOlbermann
#IgnoreTheCourt


What's good for the gooser is good for the goosee.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (63Dwl)

346 At what point do you draw the line? At what point is reform impossible and thus the problem simply has to be removed?

*

A huge - and maybe the biggest, most crucial - problem is that politicians have figured out that they have a tremendous amount of power in not contesting laws they disagree with when they're in power and they coordinate with fellow travelers to sue in order to replace laws they don't like.

No contest, and the law disappeared.

We had that happen in NC to manipulate our voter laws. Many if not most other states had the same thing happen. Iirc Prop 8 in California got the ball rolling, and Democrats figured out how much power was sitting there unused. All they had to do was get elected and then not defend cases.

That is not a functioning Republic.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (J8ueE)

347 319. I agree with you. Georgia seems to be the testing ground with the highest concentration of dominion machines in the nation. And yes, I think machines are important, not just cheat by mail.

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (ONvIw)

348 After being beat down by Barky for 8 years we kind of expected everything to continue with Hillary. It can happen again but with same old GOP in Congress it will be a repeat of the previous treachery.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (vrz2I)

349 So the SCOTUS released the gun ruling.. Just got here... This is good right ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (bs+z0)

350 This Thomas opinion on guns is a hate crime against historians. There is no life, liberty or pursuit of happiness with every thumb-sucking incel walking around with a concealed weapon. Shit was more than bad enough already, Clarence.


Wow, condescendingly addressing a black man by his first name. Racism much?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (/NCI4)

351 >>This Thomas opinion on guns is a hate crime against historians. There is no life, liberty or pursuit of happiness with every thumb-sucking incel walking around with a concealed weapon.


FTR

Any man, not currently balls deep in a woman, is an INCEL.

Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (ay/nJ)

352 338 @Joe M, I don't think it falls apart. I've posted this before several times, but the most fragile part of the country is the inner cities, and I think they collapse before anything else. Most of us are unaffected, but the combination of fiscal austerity (forced on us by the exploding debt) and urban unrest mean that the USA will evolve into a less centralized federal system where the red states become more powerful over time and the blue states less so. This plays out over the lifetimes of our children and grandchildren and won't be finished until after we're gone.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:51 AM (7B5FA)

Based on our education system, in your model the United States uses candles and not electricity for lighting. Gen Z can't maintain existing infrastructure. Millennials might be able to do a limited job of it.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 11:54 AM (b2nrj)

353 307 My personal belief is that the Boomers still have the voting sway in this country, and are still running the uniparty. As they become less a majority, and as they retire (at the leadership level) changes may accelerate.


there is an interesting infographic confirming this. especially the Senate - it is virtual ALL Silents and Boomers at the moment.

the fact that there are STILL so many Silents in the Congress is just damning. we need term limits jeez oh man!

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 11:54 AM (w0NJk)

354 My musket for the chance to spout dumb comments on the internet.

Posted by: Benjamin Franklin at June 23, 2022 11:54 AM (VWkrI)

355 Just got here, lots to read
Posted by: Skip's phone

Its raining pretty good here.....

Posted by: JT at June 23, 2022 11:54 AM (arJlL)

356 FenelonSpoke

I will fight for the Good America, until the water is over the bridge of the ship. Then I will swim ashore, with a knife in my hand, or use a inflatable life raft (which has a knife), and start the fight over.

BTW, did you see my email to your private account?

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 23, 2022 11:54 AM (u82oZ)

357 Oh my...DU is melting down over 2A


It's Settled Law™, Bitches.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 23, 2022 11:55 AM (yQpMk)

358 will those carrying a gun in from another state continue to be arrested?
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (anj39) **


Ha ha ha ha ha...deep breath...ha ha ha ha ha.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at June 23, 2022 11:55 AM (R5lpX)

359 349 So the SCOTUS released the gun ruling.. Just got here... This is good right ?


it is GREAT!

let's enjoy some good news!

fun to read the decisions as well.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 11:55 AM (w0NJk)

360 Footnote to Alito Concurring:


3.If we put together the dissent in this case and JUSTICE BREYER’s Heller dissent, States and local governments would essentially be free to ban the possession of all handguns, and it is unclear whether its approach would impose any significant restrictions on laws regulating long guns. The dissent would extend a very large measure of deference to legislation implicating Second Amendment rights, but it does not claim that such deference is appropriate when any other constitutional right is at issue.

That's exactly what they want to do. God help us if the Lib's take the majority.

Posted by: WisRich at June 23, 2022 11:55 AM (G0vdT)

361 Also worth noting we're in for some serious demographic decline. Gen Z (smaller than Millennials) is the last large generation for perhaps half a century or more.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 11:55 AM (b2nrj)

362 Exactly what does the 'room' have anything to with Supreme Court Ruling?

Well, if the room thinks as you say it does, then repealing the 2A should be easy. You'd best get started.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:56 AM (/NCI4)

363 357 Oh my...DU is melting down over 2A


It's Settled Law, Bitches.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 23, 2022 11:55 AM (yQpMk)

========

Maybe relying entirely on SCOTUS for change was a long term bad idea.

I say they get started on that constitutional amendment plan right away.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:56 AM (LvTSG)

364 Hochul undermines her own argument. Yes, they only had muskets. Those muskets were weapons of war at the time. The founders had no problem with a citizen having the same weapon carried by the Continental Army.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2022 11:56 AM (Qy7kP)

365 1. The current system metastasizes and we become a fully, top-down, total-control totalitarian dictatorship with no more window dressing. For your vision of the future, see Red China.
2. The current system fails and the country fractures. The country splits into 4-6 different successor states that have tense relationships.

As to why follow it? Why not? I care about what has been lost, and I care about what's coming.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Or we become Britain: a sad, formerly great country run by Karens and wokesters, a smiling tyranny keeping the trappings of the republic. Didn't the Roman Senate keep meeting until something like AD650? Inertia can keep things going a long, long time, even when the heart has rotted out of the system.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at June 23, 2022 11:56 AM (rWFyW)

366 Alito's concurrence is glorious. He completely destroys Breyers dissent.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 11:56 AM (amOmU)

367 "Trump to start his own party and start interviewing true conservative candidates to back in every state and federal election."

I'm not so sure Trump is all that conservative. He certainly was on some issues, but he did nothing to restrain government spending and jawboned the Fed to keep the money supply loose. He still believes in vaccinations.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:56 AM (7B5FA)

368 >>Trump clarified just this last week that he did NOT endorse Kevin McCarthy -- or anyone else -- for speaker. He only endorsed him for his re-election in his seat.

>>Mo Brooks is right now saying he is going to testify at the J6 committee. So anyone complaining that Trump should have endorsed him over Britt is full of cr*p.

I'd also like to point out that today's 2A Supreme Court decision was made possible largely by Trump's appointees.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 11:57 AM (ZLI7S)

369 I don't think they envisioned the high capacity assault weapon magazines intended for battlefields.

The specific context of the 2A was for the people to be able to take up arms and remove the government.

And in the early time frame of the US, that included heavy weapons like cannons.

But Hochul knows nothing of history.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2022 11:57 AM (ESjRY)

370 Most of us are unaffected, but the combination of fiscal austerity (forced on us by the exploding debt) and urban unrest mean that the USA will evolve into a less centralized federal system where the red states become more powerful over time and the blue states less so. This plays out over the lifetimes of our children and grandchildren and won't be finished until after we're gone.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 11:51 AM (7B5FA)
++++
That would be a pretty good outcome, all things considered.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:52 AM (WWh8n

You stated what I was thinking, that there is a 3rd Option besides the 2 that Joe M. mentioned; and that is that the Federal Level hangs on in much diminished form, something rather like the EU or the unlamented Holy Roman Empire. A figurehead state with little authority except in certain mutually agreeable areas. The impetus for this could be the financial collapse of the Federal System, after being forced to default on all outstanding debt.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:57 AM (trdmm)

371 it is GREAT!

let's enjoy some good news!

fun to read the decisions as well.


This is not the AOSHQ way.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:57 AM (/NCI4)

372 I'd also like to point out that today's 2A Supreme Court decision was made possible largely by Trump's appointees.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 11:57 AM (ZLI7S)

Yup

Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 11:57 AM (bs+z0)

373 "I'm not so sure Trump is all that conservative."

He's not but he is pro-America and that's as good as we are gonna get.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2022 11:57 AM (vrz2I)

374 Clarence Thomas: How Liberal Policies Have Killed Black Communities

https://tinyurl.com/2s46yuf6

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 23, 2022 11:58 AM (sWM8x)

375 to why follow it? Why not? I care about what has been lost, and I care about what's coming.

*

Another poster made a great comment the other day. He said, roughly, that Christians should look at local politics as a curiosity but not to fret or be overwhelmed by them since we're just passing through this "city"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at June 23, 2022 11:58 AM (J8ueE)

376 I admire your optimism, but at some point the thing can't be fixed. You don't try to repair a car that has all of a bent frame, shattered glass, rusted combustion chambers, seized transmission, leaky hydraulics and that was set on fire at some point. You replace that car.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (WWh8n)

But it can be resurrected! It's a classic!

Posted by: Mark Worman at June 23, 2022 11:58 AM (53oGX)

377 Mo Brooks is right now saying he is going to testify at the J6 committee. So anyone complaining that Trump should have endorsed him over Britt is full of cr*p.
Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (YVBLw)



Eat shit and die.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at June 23, 2022 11:58 AM (yQpMk)

378 Pretend governor Hochul obviously didn't read the decision. She's also not very smart. You can tell partially from All the pathos pleas.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 11:58 AM (amOmU)

379 don't think they envisioned the high capacity assault weapon magazines intended for battlefields

*

Now do the internet

Posted by: Moron Robbie - screw anyone here who thinks he should tell Americans what they need or should buy at June 23, 2022 11:58 AM (J8ueE)

380 it is GREAT!

let's enjoy some good news!

fun to read the decisions as well.

This is not the AOSHQ way.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 11:57 AM (/NCI4)

lol

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 11:58 AM (nByzo)

381 You don't try to repair a car that has all of a bent frame, shattered glass, rusted combustion chambers, seized transmission, leaky hydraulics and that was set on fire at some point.

There are people on YouTube who do exactly that kind of thing to varying extents and get big audiences and big money.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 11:58 AM (ZGrMX)

382 The NYS ruling on guns will not stand. The pols will simply come up with a new law just by changing a few words, and it will stand, because the Hawaii judge says its a new law. Then we will start all over again, it will take years.

Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2022 11:58 AM (YVx1O)

383 382 The NYS ruling on guns will not stand. The pols will simply come up with a new law just by changing a few words, and it will stand, because the Hawaii judge says its a new law. Then we will start all over again, it will take years.
Posted by: Colin at June 23, 2022 11:58 AM (YVx1O)

========

Of course.

But lower courts will have to abide by Bruen which will make the process faster in turning things around in individual cases.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 11:59 AM (LvTSG)

384 339 The SCOTUS decision regarding CC in New York brings up a pertinent question--why is it necessary to obtain permission to exercise ANY Constitutionally affirmed right?

As I see it, infringement or abrogation of any right may be tolerated ONLY in the case of irresponsible exercise of said right. This is why we have a legal system.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2022 11:52 AM (KATBx)


This guy gets it.

Posted by: davidt at June 23, 2022 11:59 AM (oTZbj)

385 As to why follow it? Why not? I care about what has been lost, and I care about what's coming.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

You remind me of one of my favorite H.L. Mencken quotes. He was asked once, "why do you pay so much attention to people if you dislike them so much?"
Mencken replied, "Why do men go to zoos?"

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:59 AM (trdmm)

386 "You don't try to repair a car that has all of a bent frame, shattered glass, rusted combustion chambers, seized transmission, leaky hydraulics and that was set on fire at some point."

If it's the only one of that model in existence you might It may require replacing and fabricating a lot of parts, but it can be done.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2022 11:59 AM (vrz2I)

387 Seen 2 times The Wizard of Oz is backing away from Trump now.
Thanks for the endorsement, been nice knowing you

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (0FitJ)

388 > This Thomas opinion on guns is a hate crime against historians. There is no life, liberty or pursuit of happiness with every thumb-sucking incel walking around with a concealed weapon.

Wait, what? This person's personal interpretation of a very broad ideal overrides specific and direct verbiage declaring US citizens have the right to keep and bear arms?

Stooooopid

*slap*

Posted by: bonhomme at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (eyxn4)

389 Stephanie Mickus @smickable - 17m
The Supreme Court seems OBSESSED with wanting people to carry things (hidden weapons, fetuses they don't want)
____________

What a dumb ass.

The Dobbs draft does not force "people" to carry fetuses they don't want. All it does it say that the issue of regulating abortion should have been left to the states, which is where the constitution puts the power to regulate such things.

The Dobbs draft corrects an error, an unconstitutional usurpation of power, that the Supreme Court made decades ago in Roe v. Wade, when they justices acted like they were legislators, instead of judges. (And this error has been acknowledged even by far-left justices like Ruth Ginsburg).

Of course this is a very difficult concept for tiny leftist brains to comprehend since they have never read or understood the U.S. constitution, but those are the facts.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (MvHI3)

390 >>You don't try to repair a car that has all of a bent frame, shattered glass, rusted combustion chambers, seized transmission, leaky hydraulics and that was set on fire at some point.

You do if the alternative is to drive a souped up golf cart.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (ZLI7S)

391 Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets.

Ya gotta love the conceit of some people who think that they know something that Supreme Court justices don't and would make all the difference if only they knew.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (nfrXX)

392 Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 23, 2022 11:54 AM (u82oZ)

Yes; I'm sorry; Thanks very much I didn't get to sending a reply back. It's been hurting me to sit on this chair in front of the computer, but I will write back tomorrow.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (FZ2cV)

393 Twitter is so much fun today!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (ptqGC)

394 I can only imagine the bs the Democrata/Uniparty have planned for this year's Summer of Pre-Election Love.

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (3OazS)

395 Also worth noting we're in for some serious demographic decline. Gen Z (smaller than Millennials) is the last large generation for perhaps half a century or more.

"Excellent" - Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, petting a hairless cat inside a volcano

Posted by: Ian S. at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (ZGrMX)

396 >>Mo Brooks is right now saying he is going to testify at the J6 committee. So anyone complaining that Trump should have endorsed him over Britt is full of cr*p.
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Yeah, what the Senate really needs is another Joni Ernst.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (sWM8x)

397 387 Seen 2 times The Wizard of Oz is backing away from Trump now.
Thanks for the endorsement, been nice knowing you
Posted by: Skip's phone at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (0FitJ)

Perhaps that is why he is 6 points down

Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (bs+z0)

398 387 Seen 2 times The Wizard of Oz is backing away from Trump now.
Thanks for the endorsement, been nice knowing you


skip this was at the direct behest of the PA GOP

it's the right move but it's not some huge treachery or anything

and if you want to blame someone blame our state GOP I guess. they are kind of a bunch of asshats.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 12:01 PM (w0NJk)

399 Referee! Reeeeee!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 23, 2022 12:01 PM (ZG+Bu)

400 Hochul: Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets.

Someone should tell her to get back into the kitchen! Women didn't have the right to vote back then either. Women in fact had no legal standing and couldn't hold office.

So tell us Gov. Hochul, you sure you want to ride this train?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 12:01 PM (N39Ws)

401 Ya gotta love the conceit of some people who think that they know something that Supreme Court justices don't and would make all the difference if only they knew.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (nfrXX)

Makes it easy to spot the ignoramuses.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 12:01 PM (nByzo)

402 "We had that happen in NC to manipulate our voter laws. Many if not most other states had the same thing happen."

One of the unnoticed rulings today was that the NC General Assembly had the right to intervene in federal court to defend voter ID legislation it had passed when the NC AG wouldn't.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:01 PM (7B5FA)

403 Dave in Fla, this is one of the best descriptions of today's Republican party and those that make it up as I've ever seen.

The comparison between the two Repub camps is precise and accurate. I don't recall ever seeing the differences summarized so simply and plainly.

And your conclusions, based upon the Rich Baris poll data and your ability to analyze and reason, gives me hope for the future.

What a great post!

I am officially notifying you that I will be stealing it and using it again and again in my discussions with those I interact with when discussing politics, and our nation's future.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:01 PM (sy5kK)

404 >>> Hochul undermines her own argument. Yes, they only had muskets. Those muskets were weapons of war at the time. The founders had no problem with a citizen having the same weapon carried by the Continental Army.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2022 11:56 AM (Qy7kP)


1st amendment, only those people sending paper out for a town crier to scream have free speech protection. Everyone else, your time is at an end.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 12:01 PM (0rQxu)

405 329 I'm single issue on guns. If you go against the right of citizens to protect themselves with whatever weapons they feel they need or want to, I'm against you.

I WILL donate to whoever, Democrat or Republican, is opposing these gun controlling GOP shitheels.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at June 23, 2022 11:50 AM

We fully support your 2A rights, but with only x% of x/3 of government, we can't pass the bills that matter most! With even a small donation, though, you can help build a Republican wave that will pass strong 2A legislation, and not do that thing in your mouth again. Swearsies!

Posted by: GOPe Fundraising Flyer at June 23, 2022 12:02 PM (JCZqz)

406 I knew a guy that had two wrecked Porsche 928s. One wrecked in the front and one in the back. He cut them in half and built one good one.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2022 12:02 PM (vrz2I)

407 I don't think they envisioned the high capacity assault weapon magazines intended for battlefields.

____

I guarantee you the Founders would insist we be allowed to have fully automatic machine guns if that was a technology at the time.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 12:02 PM (/Mfjh)

408 Perhaps that is why he is 6 points down
Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (bs+z0)

I know. A lot of the polls out are dem push-polls, and I'm hesitant to take them at face value; but we all know that Oz is a weak, weak candidate, a huge mistake by Trump to endorse.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:02 PM (trdmm)

409 One of the unnoticed rulings today was that the NC General Assembly had the right to intervene in federal court to defend voter ID legislation it had passed when the NC AG wouldn't.


yes this was another good ruling today!

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 12:02 PM (w0NJk)

410 Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (MvHI3)

I really just don't understand why it's so hard to use birth control.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2022 12:03 PM (DRSnL)

411 I'd also like to point out that today's 2A Supreme Court decision was made possible largely by Trump's appointees.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 11:57 AM (ZLI7S)


The time machine says:

Go ahead and want what you want. Trump as a candidate means losing the Presidency, the Congress, and the Courts FOR A GENERATION.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2022 12:03 PM (6TxNR)

412 411 Go ahead and want what you want. Trump as a candidate means losing the Presidency, the Congress, and the Courts FOR A GENERATION.
Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2022 12:03 PM (6TxNR)

========

I've started hearing that again in 2022.

Weird...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

413 @davidhogg111 - 2m

Not only does todays ruling endanger the American people it also endangers the lives of the justices themselves. Unlike the justices however - the American people do not have the privilege of Congress immediately acting to protect them.

--------------

Harvard "man."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:03 PM (ptqGC)

414 I'm glad Kavanaugh addressed in his concurrence the issue of licensing and set the standard as the 43 shall Issue states and that nothing unusual could be employed in the registration process. That's what NY was planning.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 12:03 PM (amOmU)

415 it is GREAT!
let's enjoy some good news!

HOW DARE YOU!!

Posted by: Greta Thunberg's conservative American poster & ASHQ poster at June 23, 2022 12:03 PM (FZ2cV)

416 I'm not so sure Trump is all that conservative. He certainly was on some issues, but he did nothing to restrain government spending and jawboned the Fed to keep the money supply loose. He still believes in vaccinations.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon

***

Well the SCOTUS opinion today, as JackStraw points out, was made possible SOLELY because of Trump.

And really, who is "perfect?" Florida has red flag laws that were passed under Rick Scott after Parkland, which Desantis publicly supports and, in fact, these red flag laws have been used to take away guns from 5000 Floridians during Desantis' tenure.

Trump, otoh, has publicly condemned the Senate's "bipartisan compromise" on guns.

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (YVBLw)

417 174 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon

Thanks Caesar, you are correct of course!
I should have said something like "indirectly elected based on the popular vote as administered by the states allocation of Electoral College votes",
Again, another mechanism constructed by the Founders to complicate the path to power!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (hOUT3)

418 351
Any man, not currently balls deep in a woman, is an INCEL.
Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM

The Paolo is, how you say, good.

Posted by: The Paolo at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (JCZqz)

419 400 Hochul: Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets.
----

And cannons. In addition to muskets, some of the people, albeit the rich ones, had cannons.

So under this douchebag's crazed theory, we all get cannons! Yea!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (sy5kK)

420 I've started hearing that again in 2022.

Weird...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

It's deja vu all over again.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (nByzo)

421 So how did the vote break down in SCOTUS ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (bs+z0)

422 It's horse shit that they only hand muskets. There were breech loading rifles in the Revolutionary War. They were just expensive and rare. But people were certainly aware of them.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (Y5qcH)

423 411 if Trump is the candidate , Gavin will win...rofl

Posted by: CN at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (ONvIw)

424 Keep talking Hochul. Keep digging. You idiot.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (iH9Pt)

425
FTR

Any man, not currently balls deep in a woman, is an INCEL.
Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (ay/nJ)

To be fair, there is a refractory period.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (b2nrj)

426 394 I can only imagine the bs the Democrata/Uniparty have planned for this year's Summer of Pre-Election Love.
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:00 PM (3OazS)

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Go long on pallets of bricks.

Posted by: 496 at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (VJsqe)

427 Which scotus justice do you think voted in the most majorities this year at 98%? And which one was lowest at 61%?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (OalnH)

428 421 So how did the vote break down in SCOTUS ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (bs+z0)

6-3

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (N39Ws)

429 6/3. Thank you Donald Trump.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (Y+l9t)

430 Also worth noting we're in for some serious demographic decline. Gen Z (smaller than Millennials) is the last large generation for perhaps half a century or more.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 11:55 AM (b2nrj)
++++
No extant system is going to survive this phenomenon. Some are *way* ahead of us on this curve, and watching them will be instructive. Seeing how Korea, Japan and Red China navigate this problem - or fail to do so - is going to be fairly important.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (WWh8n)

431 419 400 Hochul: Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets.
----

And cannons. In addition to muskets, some of the people, albeit the rich ones, had cannons.

So under this douchebag's crazed theory, we all get cannons! Yea!
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (sy5kK)

And warships. Letter of Marque for all!

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (b2nrj)

432 @PreetBharara

SCOTUS read neither the room nor the Constitution correctly.

Posted by: Jane D'oh




Mr. Bharara: Always wrong. Never in doubt.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (Mxzkj)

433 I wonder how effective these "Red Flag Laws" will be in south Chicago?

Yeah, I said it more as a joke than anything else.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (sy5kK)

434 To Joe Mannix,

We are arguing 2 different things - whether we can reform the GOP versus whether we can save the country.

To truly save the country and bring it back to the federalist Constitutional Republic it was meant to be, where rule of law is actually followed, what I believe the U.S. needs is a true civil war. but, it needs to be started by a state with a military (national guard).

Texas or Florida, or some combination of southern states need to secede. If a state did that, I'd move to that state and join up to its military to fight the civil war.

Unfortunately, I don't see that ever happening. It would require true leaders who truly cared about these issues AND a big enough majority of state citizens who truly cared about such things. In today's world, I doubt there will ever be either.

So yeah, much of what the U.S. was is lost forever, but we can still work toward getting some of it back and stopping the rest of it from being destroyed.

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (ky+MF)

435 Just checking back in as I saw the SCOTUS ruling on gun rights.

I wonder if we're going to get a plethora of flaming skulls today?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (5pTK/)

436 BREAKING NEWS: David Hogg is not pleased with the USSC decision announced this morning.

Well at least he can cry in his pillow. Oh wait...

Posted by: Oddbob at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (nfrXX)

437 6-3
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (N39Ws)

So Roberts voted with the majority ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (bs+z0)

438 427 Which scotus justice do you think voted in the most majorities this year at 98%? And which one was lowest at 61%?
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (OalnH)

Roberts? Thomas?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (b2nrj)

439 427 Which scotus justice do you think voted in the most majorities this year at 98%? And which one was lowest at 61%?
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (OalnH)

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I'll guess 98% was Kavanaugh, and 61% was Sotomayor.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (LvTSG)

440 They stabbed us Tea Party/Grassroots folk in the back. We remember and most of us have scars. And we remember.

Posted by: Eromero at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (gktX6)

441 I imagine we'll hear a lot of "court packing" talk from the left now that a couple SCOTUS decisions haven't exactly gone their way.

If the abortion ruling is what some believe the unhinged left will make sure this summer is lit AF.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (BFigT)

442 And cannons. In addition to muskets, some of the people, albeit the rich ones, had cannons.

So under this douchebag's crazed theory, we all get cannons! Yea!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (sy5kK)

I always wanted to be a privateer when I grew up.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (nByzo)

443 I know. A lot of the polls out are dem push-polls, and I'm hesitant to take them at face value; but we all know that Oz is a weak, weak candidate, a huge mistake by Trump to endorse.


who would have been better for him to endorse?!?!

McCormick showed his spots when he lost and started "finding" mailin ballots. that in fact WERE suspiciously mostly for him?!?! that was the GOPe candidate and they tried HARD to get him thru. who the hell even WAS he? he's not from PA either.

other than that we just had Kathy and she's nice but really green and would have been toast in the general. I would have been fine with her but she's in no way perfect either. she lost a state race and she lost it BIG, so that's not good.

the candidate Trump first endorsed was Parnell who got run out by his crazy ex and the Dems. but then after Oz won the primary he ALSO showed he was on the GOPe side by coming out and saying honestly just weird freaking things about the late-arriving votes. he also popped up to rip Kathy. so he was Mitch's FIRST candidate, clearly.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (w0NJk)

444 No extant system is going to survive this phenomenon. Some are *way* ahead of us on this curve, and watching them will be instructive. Seeing how Korea, Japan and Red China navigate this problem - or fail to do so - is going to be fairly important.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (WWh8n)

Japan especially - they're the furthest out in the "demographic bomb".

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (trdmm)

445 Jeebus.

@davidhogg111

You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts and like your own facts-you aren't entitled to your own history. That's exactly what this Supreme Court decision is-it is a reversal of 200+ years of jurisprudence that will get Americans killed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (ptqGC)

446 Bitch,

For the millionth time, if 2A only applies to muskets does 1A only apply to paper and ink written with feathers?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (OalnH)

447 441 I imagine we'll hear a lot of "court packing" talk from the left now that a couple SCOTUS decisions haven't exactly gone their way.

If the abortion ruling is what some believe the unhinged left will make sure this summer is lit AF.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (BFigT)

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SCOTUS abolishment is the new thing, it seems.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:07 PM (LvTSG)

448 Geez. The dissent reads like a college level political screed.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 12:07 PM (amOmU)

449 >>@PreetBharara

>>SCOTUS read neither the room nor the Constitution correctly.


Read the room? Exactly what is wrong with liberal activists pretending to be judges we've had to endure for decades.

This man needs many more bags of dicks.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2022 12:07 PM (ZLI7S)

450 Stated from beginning I wasn't going to vote for Pa Senate, maybe write in candidate

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 23, 2022 12:07 PM (0FitJ)

451 432 @PreetBharara

SCOTUS read neither the room nor the Constitution correctly.

Posted by: Jane D'oh


LOL... Preet.. It's you who did neither in this case

Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 12:07 PM (bs+z0)

452 They stabbed us Tea Party/Grassroots folk in the back. We remember and most of us have scars. And we remember.

Posted by: Eromero at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (gktX6)

All. Of. This.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:07 PM (ptqGC)

453 445 Jeebus.

@davidhogg111

You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts and like your own facts-you aren't entitled to your own history. That's exactly what this Supreme Court decision is-it is a reversal of 200+ years of jurisprudence that will get Americans killed.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (ptqGC)

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He really wants those laws preventing blacks from getting guns back on the books.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:07 PM (LvTSG)

454 " the most fragile part of the country is the inner cities, and I think they collapse before anything else. Most of us are unaffected"

Do you mean most or us morons, or most of the USA population? As long as the fed govt extracts taxes to subsidize and bailout the cities, city failures affect all taxpayers.

Posted by: Lithiated gp For Vigor at June 23, 2022 12:08 PM (qpX6U)

455 The impetus for this could be the financial collapse of the Federal System, after being forced to default on all outstanding debt. Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 11:57 AM (trdmm)

I don't think we ever default, but I think there will have to be austerity that forces the federal government to cut way back on some of the programs it currently funds. The logical thing to happen is that responsibility for programs that are currently administered by the states and funded by the Feds, at least in part, like Medicaid, housing, and education, will just be handed over to the states, perhaps with declining block grants, and the federal government just gets out of that area. Some states might continue current levels of benefits and others will not. The states that don't continue current benefits will grow, while the states that put the tax burden on their people to make up for the lost federal spending will lose people and businesses to the states that do less.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:08 PM (7B5FA)

456 I know. A lot of the polls out are dem push-polls, and I'm hesitant to take them at face value; but we all know that Oz is a weak, weak candidate, a huge mistake by Trump to endorse.
Posted by: Tom Servo
____

And it wasn't like Trump went out on a limb for Oz because he was so super conservative candidate he liked. I at least can understand that calculus.

The guy would easily be the most liberal Republican if he were to be elected.

Trump just made a bad choice on a nearly unelectable Republican that's liberal because he was a celebrity.

I think this seat probably determines who controls the Senate and the Dem is easily the weakest Dem running.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 12:08 PM (/Mfjh)

457 the candidate Trump first endorsed was Parnell who got run out by his crazy ex and the Dems. but then after Oz won the primary he ALSO showed he was on the GOPe side by coming out and saying honestly just weird freaking things about the late-arriving votes. he also popped up to rip Kathy. so he was Mitch's FIRST candidate, clearly.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (w0NJk)

the craziest thing is that there's still a decent chance that Oz could win in spite of himself and his Turkish citizenship. Philadelphia may be nothing but flames by November.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:08 PM (trdmm)

458 He really wants those laws preventing blacks from getting guns back on the books.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:07 PM (LvTSG)

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That Harvard edumacation tho.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:08 PM (ptqGC)

459 Never bring a scabbard to a cannon fight

Posted by: A dude in MI at June 23, 2022 12:08 PM (/6GbT)

460 387 Seen 2 times The Wizard of Oz is backing away from Trump now.
Thanks for the endorsement, been nice knowing you
Posted by: Skip

*****

This is FAKE NEWS being spread by the Twitter blue checks, such as Poso, who tried to help Mitch's guy McCormick slip in by splitting the MAGA vote.

Trump's endorsement IS on Dr. Oz's campaign website -- the very first one under the "Endorsements" tab.

The choice right now in PA is Oz or an open communist Fetterman. Think why these blue checks on Twitter would try to get people to refrain from voting for Oz now, especially based on a lie.

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 23, 2022 12:08 PM (YVBLw)

461 You can fool some of the people all of the time.


The 33% that are democrats.

Posted by: Archer at June 23, 2022 12:08 PM (gmo/4)

462 "Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets. I don't think they envisioned the high capacity assault weapon magazines intended for battlefields."
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (N39Ws)
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True. They had canon and muskets and ships in mind - weapons used on the battlefield.

I interpret the 2nd Amendment very liberally. If the state has a weapon, a private individual should be able to have that weapon. No exclusions.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (WWh8n)

463 @PreetBharara

SCOTUS read neither the room nor the Constitution correctly.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:48 AM (ptqGC)
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Yo, Preet: Go slap the handcuffs on Hunter. No? Why not?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (5pTK/)

464

I'll guess 98% was Kavanaugh, and 61% was Sotomayor.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (LvTSG)

Look at the big brain on James!!!
Roberts and Kav both at 98. Which was a surprise for me.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (OalnH)

465 The musket argument is something a 10th grader argues. Idiotic.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (iH9Pt)

466
Did you see the "poll" yesterday showing Crist ahead of DeSantis 48-47? LOL.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM (ptqGC)
--

So, drop Crist by the standard 9 points the Leftist news and their poll trolls give Dems, making it 55-39 in favor of Desantis, and I'm guessing it's pretty close.

And I apologize to all for what seems like math.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (sy5kK)

467 The period from now until the new Congress sits is a bit dangerous from the standpoint of the getting sold out by certain GOP coalition types since right now the temptation is very clear for the CoC and RINO types. Any group of 10 GOP senators can cut various "centrist" deals with Dems (who are finally facing the reality of an election with a party head at sub-40% approval, and thus ready to take whatever they can get right now) that won't be as easily obtainable with even a Squish-run GOP House.

But yes, of course, of course, country is done, elections don't matter, etc. because some guy that made 25% of even his own voters cringe in embarrassment every other day during his tenure happened to lose an election. Much better to spend our time discussing the best storage bins for dried beans.

Posted by: Match Checksout at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (dYe5S)

468 I have to get on the road, so y'all can keep chewing on this until Ace posts. A couple things...

I don't get paid for any of this, so it is my gift to you and my personal trolls.

CBD, sorry. I know you said 1000 words, and I just dumped a 2200 word treatise with 4 tables filled with numbers. But I didn't want to break it up, I think people need to see the entire picture to keep from drawing incorrect conclusions.

For the TL;DR folks. I really don't blame you, this crap interests me, I don't expect it to interest everyone. There will be puppies later this evening.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (5p7BC)

469 457 the candidate Trump first endorsed was Parnell who got run out by his crazy ex and the Dems. but then after Oz won the primary he ALSO showed he was on the GOPe side by coming out and saying honestly just weird freaking things about the late-arriving votes. he also popped up to rip Kathy. so he was Mitch's FIRST candidate, clearly.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (w0NJk)

the craziest thing is that there's still a decent chance that Oz could win in spite of himself and his Turkish citizenship. Philadelphia may be nothing but flames by November.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:08 PM (trdmm)

This Oz candidate is starting to sound pretty good. Any chance we'd see Pittsburg ablaze too?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (b2nrj)

470 464

I'll guess 98% was Kavanaugh, and 61% was Sotomayor.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (LvTSG)

Look at the big brain on James!!!
Roberts and Kav both at 98. Which was a surprise for me.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (OalnH)

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It was a guess, too. No studying.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (LvTSG)

471 437 6-3
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (N39Ws)

So Roberts voted with the majority ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (bs+z0)

Only dissents were Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (N39Ws)

472 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (5pTK/)

Well, me might get totally grass roots protests at the supreme court with professionally designed signs that just happened to be on the buses that bring the people to the totally grassroots protests.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (FZ2cV)

473 FTR

Any man, not currently balls deep in a woman, is an INCEL.
Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM


Some of us are at work right now. Just sayin'.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (RkC6l)

474 Do you mean most or us morons, or most of the USA population? As long as the fed govt extracts taxes to subsidize and bailout the cities, city failures affect all taxpayers. Posted by: Lithiated gp For Vigor at June 23, 2022 12:08 PM (qpX6U)

That takes place at a time when the fed govt has to shrink because it has run out of money and is consumed with servicing the debt. The cities will be the problem of their states.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (7B5FA)

475 Bitch Hokul,

In the 18th century muskets were weapons of war.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (OalnH)

476 I know. A lot of the polls out are dem push-polls, and I'm hesitant to take them at face value; but we all know that Oz is a weak, weak candidate, a huge mistake by Trump to endorse.


who would have been better for him to endorse?!?!
____

Recruit someone better or don't endorse anyone.

If Trump tapped the right person on the shoulder and promised an endorsement, they'd run.

But with Trump, endorsements have the life of a fruit fly.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (/Mfjh)

477 Mo Brooks is right now saying he is going to testify at the J6 committee. So anyone complaining that Trump should have endorsed him over Britt is full of cr*p.
Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (YVBLw)

Moe Howard > Moe Greene > Mo Brooks

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (4S/xf)

478 Wow, the tweet storm over the SCOTUS rulling: so much ignorance in so few words. Rather amazing, if you ask me.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (5pTK/)

479
Keith Olbermann
@KeithOlbermann
It has become necessary to dissolve the Supreme Court of the United States.


Keith Olbermann calls for INSURRECTION!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (63Dwl)

480 Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (5p7BC)

Thanks again Dave

Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (bs+z0)

481 And here we go:

@KatAndromeda - 13m

The foundaton of police and the 2A was actually based on racism, to hunt fugitive slaves and kill them...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (ptqGC)

482
I really just don't understand why it's so hard to use birth control.
_____________

Remember back when the left used to claim that they wanted abortion to be "safe, legal, and rare"?

We know that was a lie, because they made it free. If you want something to be used sparingly, you don't make it free.

The Dims made abortions free (i.e. taxpayer-funded) for low-income women, and they quickly responded to that incentive by routinely using abortion as a form of after-the-fact birth control.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (MvHI3)

483 This is FAKE NEWS being spread by the Twitter blue checks, such as Poso, who tried to help Mitch's guy McCormick slip in by splitting the MAGA vote.

Trump's endorsement IS on Dr. Oz's campaign website -- the very first one under the "Endorsements" tab.

The choice right now in PA is Oz or an open communist Fetterman. Think why these blue checks on Twitter would try to get people to refrain from voting for Oz now, especially based on a lie.


thanks for this! ok I will try to dig into what the peeps here are thinking (state GOP).

but basically it's very telling who is lining up against Dr Oz. to me it's clear as a bell - just the hijinks after Oz won were enough to make it obvious.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (w0NJk)

484 449 >>@PreetBharara

>>SCOTUS read neither the room nor the Constitution correctly.

pack up your red dot and go back to India. Try lording your status over the peasants back there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (trdmm)

485 >>> And cannons. In addition to muskets, some of the people, albeit the rich ones, had cannons.

So under this douchebag's crazed theory, we all get cannons! Yea!
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:04 PM (sy5kK)


I've actually always been hankerin' for a german 88 or M45 quad if anyone is making christmas lists.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (0rQxu)

486 For the millionth time, if 2A only applies to muskets does 1A only apply to paper and ink written with feathers?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM (OalnH)

I frankly wouldnt put it past the libs.

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (QW7zY)

487 > I always wanted to be a privateer when I grew up.

Fuck, yeah. Note that the United States has never signed the international treaty outlawing privateering.

I figure a ChiCom container ship full of just about anything should make a nice prize, even if it is ChiCom merch.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (bW8dp)

488 I like Trump.

There are people around who remember the last glorious wave of "populism" that took the nation by storm.

If you think the opposite of "populist" is "Establishment," you're offering up your nose to have a ring put in it. I know, at this juncture it's unlikely that anyone is going to take a step back and think this over. We have become a nation of sports fans. Rah, rah.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (videA)

489 Boy, Hochul is dumber then a bag of dirt.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (amOmU)

490 So yeah, much of what the U.S. was is lost forever, but we can still work toward getting some of it back and stopping the rest of it from being destroyed.
Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 12:05 PM (ky+MF)
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I agree when it comes to local and state elections. Some of those (it depends on where you live) will be *extremely* important and if all goes well, we'll get a nullification crisis (my preferred outcome). That could lead to war or it also might not. It's the only door with an ambiguous outcome. Plus any check is a good check. The national Republicans are not a check and the national party cannot be saved. I also (independently, but still related) think the federal government cannot be saved, but that's a separate issue and I agree that I conflated these too often in my replies and I apologize for that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:12 PM (WWh8n)

491 Someone just pointed out that if muskets were the only gun that existed back in 1791, then they were literal "weapons of war", and therefore the 2nd Amendment fairly and fully read can mean only one thing: that Americans have the right to carry weapons of war.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2022 12:12 PM (Mxzkj)

492 For the TL;DR folks. I really don't blame you, this crap interests me, I don't expect it to interest everyone. There will be puppies later this evening.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (5p7BC)


*perks up*

Seriously though, you obviously put a lot of work into this. Thank you!

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2022 12:12 PM (DRSnL)

493 Rona Romney wants us all to know that the Supremes 2A decision today was a win. LOLGF

Posted by: Maj. Healey Who WIll Never Again Vote Republican at June 23, 2022 12:12 PM (MkYsY)

494 The 2nd is specifically saying "weapons of war" when it states that a militia is necessary for a free state. Militias fight wars, they need the weapons to do so.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 23, 2022 12:12 PM (Y5qcH)

495 477 Mo Brooks is right now saying he is going to testify at the J6 committee. So anyone complaining that Trump should have endorsed him over Britt is full of cr*p.
Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (YVBLw)

Par for the course with Brooks. He's an asshole. Always has been.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 23, 2022 12:12 PM (4bYcn)

496
I'll get to the rest of the post now, but the assumption that Party-level subversion is finally underway has absolutely zero historical success in any way whatsoever.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 11:05 AM (WWh8n)

Think of the Repub party as the hull of an old wooden ship.
Sometimes the planks rot out and have to be replaced.
The entire hull isn't replaced at once. It's done one plank at a time.
Rotten hull plank = Establishment Repub.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:12 PM (sy5kK)

497 And here we go:

@KatAndromeda - 13m

The foundaton of police and the 2A was actually based on racism, to hunt fugitive slaves and kill them...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (ptqGC)

Thanks for posting these. They warm my black heart.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (nByzo)

498 "Trump just made a bad choice on a nearly unelectable Republican that's liberal because he was a celebrity."

TV star professional courtesy.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (7B5FA)

499 It was a guess, too. No studying.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (LvTSG)

You have proven you are more than just liking shitty movies.

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (QW7zY)

500 Just as a reminder; many here disagree on Trump vs. Desantis, but that doesn't mean either one is a poor choice to lead the GOP.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (/NCI4)

501 Well, me might get totally grass roots protests at the supreme court with professionally designed signs that just happened to be on the buses that bring the people to the totally grassroots protests.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (FZ2cV)
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Why do those "grassroots" seem to need a bit of touching up? Seems to me an awful lot of commie red is showing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (5pTK/)

502 489 Boy, Hochul is dumber then a bag of dirt.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (amOmU)

Stop insulting dirt like that.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (OalnH)

503 the craziest thing is that there's still a decent chance that Oz could win in spite of himself and his Turkish citizenship. Philadelphia may be nothing but flames by November.
Posted by: Tom Servo
___

I think the only way he wins is if he's willing to drop say $100 million of his own money into the race (these guys always talk big and then never throw a penny in when they see its a long shot)

The other scenario is more shoes drop on the Dem candidate who clearly has some major baggage.

But at best, we get probably someone who will vote left of Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (/Mfjh)

504 This smiling redhead thinks the GOP has done nothing to earn the "red wave" it is going to get, and will do nothing to justify it after winning it:
https://is.gd/9Ea37b

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (WWh8n)

505 495 477 Mo Brooks is right now saying he is going to testify at the J6 committee. So anyone complaining that Trump should have endorsed him over Britt is full of cr*p.
Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM (YVBLw)


What can he add ? "Trump was mean to me and said he won the election and was cheated ."?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (bs+z0)

506 If Hochul believes in the musket argument, show me in New York's law where muskets are exempt.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (iH9Pt)

507 Good post Dave. I would only say it's wrong to conflate dissatisfaction with the economy as an automatic vote for Trump. It's starting to worry me that DeSantis has pulled more support in some polls (if they're accurate).

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (amOmU)

508 462 "Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets. I don't think they envisioned the high capacity assault weapon magazines intended for battlefields."
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM (N39Ws)
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True. They had canon and muskets and ships in mind - weapons used on the battlefield.

I interpret the 2nd Amendment very liberally. If the state has a weapon, a private individual should be able to have that weapon. No exclusions.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (WWh8n)

I have a slightly more constrained view. The weapon must have practical use in military action against the government. No point in people having ICBMs that can hit China. The ability to cause international incidents must be justified by the inalienable right to self-defense. So I guess no nukes, no ICBMs, and heavy stuff has to be identified as private (no leading people into thinking it's US gov't equipment).

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (b2nrj)

509 Jeebus.

@davidhogg111

You are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts and like your own facts-you aren't entitled to your own history. That's exactly what this Supreme Court decision is-it is a reversal of 200+ years of jurisprudence that will get Americans killed.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:06 PM


*points*

*laughs*

*plays sad trombone*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2022 12:14 PM (RkC6l)

510 "Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets. I don't think they envisioned the high capacity assault weapon magazines intended for battlefields."
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed

They also didn't have TV, radio, or Internet. I'll gladly make them go back to the Gutenberg press, or the stump in the town Square and they can yell their ass off.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 12:14 PM (J5T7h)

511 We have become a nation of sports fans. Rah, rah.
___

A lot of us have lost interest in sports.
Permanently.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:14 PM (ifBkc)

512 "366 Alito's concurrence is glorious. He completely destroys Breyers dissent.
Posted by: Marcus T"

I'd love to know how the process works. obviously the get a preliminary vote and figure out 6-3 and figure out who writes the majority/dissent. But then as each side reads each others drafts (and responds in the majority/desent writings).

In this case, doesn't the Disent/minority realize "Oh nutz, they are destroying our case and we sound like idiots" and realize they need to either revise their argument or switch sides? Or their clerks who help them realize it too, how they'll get their descent published, but they sound like idiots.

But they get invites to all the totes-cool graduation ceremonies'!

Posted by: Scott_T at June 23, 2022 12:14 PM (2waQ7)

513 499 It was a guess, too. No studying.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM (LvTSG)

You have proven you are more than just liking shitty movies.
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (QW7zY)

=========

I also have a hot, redheaded wife.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:14 PM (LvTSG)

514 465 The musket argument is something a 10th grader argues. Idiotic.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM

Fuck you! Only urban-schooled high schoolers and grad students are that dumb!

Posted by: 10th Grader in rural America at June 23, 2022 12:15 PM (4S/xf)

515 "The foundaton of police and the 2A was actually based on racism, to hunt fugitive slaves and kill them...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (ptqGC)"

Lol. Completely and demonstrably untrue.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 12:15 PM (amOmU)

516 Note that the United States has never signed the international treaty outlawing privateering.

Letters of marque and reprisal are right there in the Constitution.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:15 PM (7B5FA)

517 @PreetBharara

SCOTUS read neither the room nor the Constitution correctly.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

***

I love it when people from a country that has to this day a cruel, dehumanizing caste system where people on the bottom are literally called "untouchables" think they have standing to criticize Western Civilization.

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 23, 2022 12:15 PM (YVBLw)

518 Here is what puzzles me - why did that woman need a cooler for her corn?

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2022 12:15 PM (6TxNR)

519 #IgnoreKeithOlbermann

Posted by: davidt at June 23, 2022 12:15 PM (oTZbj)

520 by the way, Dave in FL, thanks for the post. Great job. Sorry it's been overtaken by events.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:15 PM (5pTK/)

521 "Would like to point out to the Supreme Court Justices that the only weapons at the time were muskets. I'm prepared to go back to muskets. I don't think they envisioned the high capacity assault weapon magazines intended for battlefields."
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 23, 2022 11:35 AM


You know, given the rudimentary attempts at the time at weapons that could fire more than once, I kinda think they could. But you do you, Hochul.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (RkC6l)

522 I'm so glad I don't have Twitter, so I don't have to read the ramblings of so many obtuse, idiotic people.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (ifBkc)

523 For the millionth time, if 2A only applies to muskets does 1A only apply to paper and ink written with feathers?
Posted by: Joe XiDen


Manually operated broadsheet printing presses are tight!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (hOUT3)

524 518 Here is what puzzles me - why did that woman need a cooler for her corn?
Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2022 12:15 PM (6TxNR)

Me too... How much corn was she buying ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (bs+z0)

525 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (WWh8n)

She's nice with just a touch too much Fox News anchor about her

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (QW7zY)

526 As sports went full woke, yeah I guess politics is like sports for me now. I love winning even if I don’t care about the issue knowing the other side is hurting.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (OalnH)

527 >>> FTR

Any man, not currently balls deep in a woman, is an INCEL.
Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2022 11:53 AM

Some of us are at work right now. Just sayin'.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (RkC6l)


The Paolo is right now, how it is you say, "hard at work".

Posted by: The Paolo at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (0rQxu)

528 123 Good grief. David Axelrod promoting Gavin Newsom for the Dems' candidate in 2024.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 11:21 AM (ptqGC)


Of course.
The Dems have nobody else under 70 to push. And Gavin is such a pretty boy for the Wine Moms.
It makes sense, except of course when we start talking reality.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (sy5kK)

529
I also have a hot, redheaded wife.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:14 PM (LvTSG)
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I bet you sleep with on eye open, don't you? 'Cause, redhead.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (5pTK/)

530 That could lead to war or it also might not. It's the only door with an ambiguous outcome. Plus any check is a good check. The national Republicans are not a check and the national party cannot be saved. I also (independently, but still related) think the federal government cannot be saved, but that's a separate issue."

I think the possibility of events leading to a Kinetic (shooting) war is now fading rapidly. Simple reason; as the collapse happens, no level of government is going to have the funds to finance any such attempt. A "cold war" among the States, possibly, but even there the Blue States are incredibly vulnerable to energy supply disruptions, so they don't dare push too hard on anything. Simply put, all of the Blue States are houses of cards waiting to be toppled, which greatly restricts their options.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:17 PM (trdmm)

531 It's funny that Hochul didn't read the decision. Because it actually, with facts and cites, addresses that issue in a very material way in order to set up the historical test. But dumb, is dumb.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 12:17 PM (amOmU)

532 In this case, doesn't the Disent/minority realize "Oh nutz, they are destroying our case and we sound like idiots" and realize they need to either revise their argument or switch sides? Or their clerks who help them realize it too, how they'll get their descent published, but they sound like idiots.

To themselves, they don't sound like idiots. Hard as it may be to see, they think the majority are idiots. There are some classic Scalia and Thomas dissents where Scalia or Thomas was right.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:17 PM (7B5FA)

533 522 I'm so glad I don't have Twitter, so I don't have to read the ramblings of so many obtuse, idiotic people.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (ifBkc)


They are also very quadrangle.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 23, 2022 12:17 PM (4bYcn)

534 Neat, SCOTUS actually ruled appropriate to our Constitution here. Pleasant change.

Now, in order to see the resolution to our current problem, read the Declaration of Independence, then emulate it.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 23, 2022 12:17 PM (KATBx)

535 Why even follow political news and blogs?

We can't change anything. It will always be this way. It's over. So - what? What's the point?

----

Because it's entertaining, and it lets you know what the next disaster will be. But no - none of this can be fixed. It's ovah, baby! They won, we lost. The end.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2022 12:17 PM (IXpV7)

536 I'm so glad I don't have Twitter, so I don't have to read the ramblings of so many obtuse, idiotic people.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (ifBkc)


*fist bump*

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2022 12:17 PM (DRSnL)

537 I have a slightly more constrained view. The weapon must have practical use in military action against the government. No point in people having ICBMs that can hit China. The ability to cause international incidents must be justified by the inalienable right to self-defense. So I guess no nukes, no ICBMs, and heavy stuff has to be identified as private (no leading people into thinking it's US gov't equipment).
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (b2nrj)
++++
i disagree. Any weapons system in state hands should be legal for private ownership. That said, it's irrelevant in reality because these things are extreme cost centers, especially atomic weapons. There will likely be no desire or ability for private ownership, especially when the private owners also have to own the infrastructure to refine the material.

It's part of the inborn contradiction in nuclear weapons. Only a nation state would have the money, desire, ability and willingness to expend that degree of resources on a weapon. And the nation-state weapon has only one possible target: the nation-state.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (WWh8n)

538 Moe Howard > Moe Greene > Mo Brooks
Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (4S/xf)
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I couldn't be prouder of my vote for Mo Brooks over Trump's endorsee.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (sWM8x)

539 I'm so glad I don't have Twitter, so I don't have to read the ramblings of so many obtuse, idiotic people.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (ifBkc)

I'm your huckleberry.

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (QW7zY)

540 Another hot (brain-dead) DU take. No, serious...someone wrote and posted this seriously:

You can't pretend the second amendment can be treated like the first amendment because, for example, If you misuse your 1st amendment and create a panic by yelling "Fire" in a theater, you still have your 1st amendment if you're locked up and still have your 1st amendment when you get out.

Are we going to pretend you can take your gun to prison and give it back when you get out after you shot someone without legitimate cause?

If the conservative court wants to stop treating the 2nd like a second-class right, and more like the 1st, well, they're very short sighted to say the least.


The problem is that the 2nd is already on par with the 1st The SCOTUS decisions in 2008 and 2010 not only said owning a gun is a right but they also joined it with the 14th Amendment.

but Precedent means nothing now. The New York law was upheld for a century until now.

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (4S/xf)

541 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2022 12:10 PM (RkC6l)

As men cannot have their p***arts in a woman 24 hours a day (Unless they'e doing porn, and even then it's probably not a 24 hour job) they need to go to work, drive, eat meals so the bathoom etc. that does not make them involuntarily celibate,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (FZ2cV)

542 Do privateers have{/i] to have boats?

Could one technically be a privateer with a Road Warrior style tanker truck with gun turrets?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (6TxNR)

543 The national Republicans are not a check and the national party cannot be saved.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:12 PM (WWh8n)

If by "Saved" you mean pass every policy we want it to pass - then of course you are right. If you mean by "saved" move it to where it is closer to our positions and actually passes a good percentage of what we want - then I disagree. I think we can change it.

Again, just the change among the base of how they view the GOP from 10-20 years ago is a great change. Even 5 years ago really. If this trend continues the GOPe is not going to be able to play the failure theater games it has for decades and people will actually be voted out of office for failing to deliver on their campaign promises. Which is an enormous change from the last 50 years where the GOP has done nothing but lie to us every election cycle and then do the opposite.

It will take work, yes. But I believe it can be done. Again - not saying we are going to get a perfect conservative GOP that manages to enact every policy we want and get rid of all the stuff we hate. Unfortunately, not enough of the electorate agrees with us on all of that.

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (ky+MF)

544 537 It's part of the inborn contradiction in nuclear weapons. Only a nation state would have the money, desire, ability and willingness to expend that degree of resources on a weapon. And the nation-state weapon has only one possible target: the nation-state.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (WWh8n)

=========

*farts*
-Eric Swalwell

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (LvTSG)

545 "The foundaton of police and the 2A was actually based on racism, to hunt fugitive slaves and kill them...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:11 PM (ptqGC)"

Tim Pool did a thing where he googled every word he could think of and why it was racist. And sure enough someone had an article about why the thing was racist. Dogs are racist too, as are well kept lawns. Go figure.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (OalnH)

546 I hope ace and Ace are ok and or getting a little nookie. Not with each other because that would be weird.

Posted by: The Paolo at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (0rQxu)

547 74 So will those carrying a gun in from another state continue to be arrested?
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2022 11:14 AM (anj39)

A brilliant question!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (sy5kK)

548 The musket argument is something a 10th grader argues. Idiotic.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at June 23, 2022 12:09 PM


On the other hand, the musket was the current state of the art military grade weapon at that time. We should therefore all have the current state of the art military grade weapons today.

Posted by: Archer at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (gmo/4)

549 They had repeating rifles already at the time of the bill of rights.

I'm not going to take the bait but these morons know neither gun history nor would they be able to write a definition of musket that actually outlawed the ar-15.

The last ban just meant fixed stock, fixed flash hider, no bayonet lug and an unrifled barrel.

Unrifled barrel sounds bad but I think they actually shot okay, surprisingly. Anyone know better than me how that went?

Posted by: TexasDan at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (2jRyv)

550 So police in Europe where there we no slaves, was that also founded on racism to catch slaves?

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (OalnH)

551 If Hochul believes in the musket argument, show me in New York's law where muskets are exempt.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

If she believes in the musket argument, she can reply in quill and in on homemade paper. No store bought shit.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (J5T7h)

552 540 The problem is that the 2nd is already on par with the 1st The SCOTUS decisions in 2008 and 2010 not only said owning a gun is a right but they also joined it with the 14th Amendment.

but Precedent means nothing now. The New York law was upheld for a century until now.
Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (4S/xf)

=========

I love the misapplication and uneven use of "precedent" as the most sacred thing ever.

Obergfell broke precedent and that was good.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (LvTSG)

553 "I think the possibility of events leading to a Kinetic (shooting) war is now fading rapidly. "

I do believe that there will be gang/militia/cartel/mafia versus gang/cartel/mafia/militia fighting in the inner cities, as whole neighborhoods are taken over by paramilitaries in parallel with city governments' tacit cooperation. Think Belfast or Beirut. I don't think it affects most of us, at least not directly.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (7B5FA)

554 Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (ifBkc)

You and me both, sister. The only time I see stupid Twitter comments is when they are posted here or on other conservative sites.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2022 12:20 PM (FZ2cV)

555 Remember the entire NFA and all the constructs around it were based on the two step test that SCOTUS now says is unconstitutional. They do say (Alito in particular) the right is not absolute. But we need to challenge that statute to find out where the line is drawn. States like anY are not NFA states. That seems unconstitutional to deny citizens access to arms In use In 43 other states.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 12:21 PM (amOmU)

556 So is the new rule if a law has been around for a long time it can’t ever be declared unconstitutional? Weird I was assured that 5000 years of marriage laws were all null and void.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:21 PM (OalnH)

557 Hey fellow Democrats!

Don't worry about 2022 and 2024, we've got this!

Posted by: Dominion Voting Systems, you cast them, we'll count them(TM) at June 23, 2022 12:21 PM (sy5kK)

558 I do believe that there will be gang/militia/cartel/mafia versus gang/cartel/mafia/militia fighting in the inner cities, as whole neighborhoods are taken over by paramilitaries in parallel with city governments' tacit cooperation. Think Belfast or Beirut. I don't think it affects most of us, at least not directly.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (7B5FA)


JETS and SHARKS Motherfuckers!

Posted by: Archer at June 23, 2022 12:21 PM (gmo/4)

559 Tim Pool did a thing where he googled every word he could think of and why it was racist. And sure enough someone had an article about why the thing was racist. Dogs are racist too, as are well kept lawns. Go figure.
Posted by: Joe XiDen

So all those African American pit bull owners are racist?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (J5T7h)

560 You and me both, sister. The only time I see stupid Twitter comments is when they are posted here or on other conservative sites.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
___

Yep, which is bad enough.

But those on Twitter think that those of us who are not must see the latest BURN.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (ifBkc)

561 There are some classic Scalia and Thomas dissents where Scalia or Thomas was right.

Scalia's dissent in Lawrence pretty much predicted the current state of things with respect to the gay/trans/pedo push into society at large. And he was roundly mocked for it. I've been asking for a while now when he gets his apology.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (nfrXX)

562 "The foundaton of police and the 2A was actually based on racism, to hunt fugitive slaves and kill them...
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LOL, right because there was no crime in the country other than that committed by slaves. What a very raaaaaacist misinterpretation of American history.

Also, fugitive slaves weren't hunted so they could be killed. Slaves were valuable property, and when caught, they were usually returned to their owners -- who had no use for them injured or dead.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (MvHI3)

563 Hochul is also worried their AR ban and mag ban are unconstitutional. And frankly, she should be because using this standard they are.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (amOmU)

564 >>> Tim Pool did a thing where he googled every word he could think of and why it was racist. And sure enough someone had an article about why the thing was racist. Dogs are racist too, as are well kept lawns. Go figure.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (OalnH)


I just looked up jello, doorknobs, and clouds. Yep, all racist.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (0rQxu)

565 528
The Dems have nobody else under 70 to push. And Gavin is such a pretty boy for the Wine Moms.
It makes sense, except of course when we start talking reality.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM

Yoo-hooo! AWLFs love me and Chastain! 😙

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg, certified homo at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (4S/xf)

566 556 So is the new rule if a law has been around for a long time it can’t ever be declared unconstitutional? Weird I was assured that 5000 years of marriage laws were all null and void.
Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:21 PM (OalnH)

=========

Precedent is sacred, unless it's not.

Now, navigate the minefield with that map.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

567 Ace was a good tweeter and so was vmom. I think that's about it. Atc is a very good writer but she is well beyond idiot twitter.

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (QW7zY)

568 It's part of the inborn contradiction in nuclear weapons. Only a nation state would have the money, desire, ability and willingness to expend that degree of resources on a weapon. And the nation-state weapon has only one possible target: the nation-state.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:18 PM (WWh8n)

That presumes things would never get to the point where it is more practical from a cost perspective. And while an individual might not have enough wealth, it is more conceivable that a large corporation might. Weapons that are only practical against other countries and therefore not covered by self-defense.

If we were to use another analog, bioweapons. You can't really use bioweapons in self-defense except in the sense of MAD. Having more players in MAD is a bad thing, it just increases the odds that someone disregards self-preservation.

So I guess I'd add bioweapons to the list. I'm iffy about governments owning them let alone Bill Gates.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (b2nrj)

569 533 522 I'm so glad I don't have Twitter, so I don't have to read the ramblings of so many obtuse, idiotic people.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM (ifBkc)
They are also very quadrangle.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 23, 2022 12:17 PM (4bYcn)


A most acute observation!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (hOUT3)

570 518 Here is what puzzles me - why did that woman need a cooler for her corn?
Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2022 12:15 PM (6TxNR)
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How can you be so callus, Blister?!

Posted by: Biden's Dog at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (Z3P/f)

571 i disagree. Any weapons system in state hands should be legal for private ownership. That said, it's irrelevant in reality because these things are extreme cost centers, especially atomic weapons. There will likely be no desire or ability for private ownership, especially when the private owners also have to own the infrastructure to refine the material.

By that argument, one could argue that CBW (when we had them) would be eligible for private ownership.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (/NCI4)

572 But no - none of this can be fixed. It's ovah, baby! They won, we lost. The end.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2022 12:17 PM (IXpV7)

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This is a crappy, cynical, no-good attitude. It is also correct.

Posted by: 496 at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (VJsqe)

573 Introducing the lates gun fromGlock. The “Musket” model. And yes I think the left is stupid enough to be followed by that.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (OalnH)

574 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:13 PM (5pTK/)

Sure does.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (FZ2cV)

575 I do believe that there will be gang/militia/cartel/mafia versus gang/cartel/mafia/militia fighting in the inner cities, as whole neighborhoods are taken over by paramilitaries in parallel with city governments' tacit cooperation. Think Belfast or Beirut. I don't think it affects most of us, at least not directly.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 23, 2022 12:19 PM (7B5FA)


We have exactly this now in all inner cities in the US.

Posted by: davidt at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (oTZbj)

576 Remember the entire NFA and all the constructs around it were based on the two step test that SCOTUS now says is unconstitutional. They do say (Alito in particular) the right is not absolute. But we need to challenge that statute to find out where the line is drawn. States like anY are not NFA states. That seems unconstitutional to deny citizens access to arms In use In 43 other states.
Posted by: Marcus T

NFA was based erroneously against short barrelled shotguns, cough cough WWI cough cough and machine guns.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (J5T7h)

577 The first urban police department was established in Philadelphia, IIRC. Not rich slave-hunting grounds.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (WWh8n)

578 As Ann Coulter, long before she lost her tiny everloving mind, once said, either a scientific study agrees with liberals or - more study is needed. It's the same with SC rulings and precedent.

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:24 PM (QW7zY)

579 Precedent is sacred, unless it's not.

Now, navigate the minefield with that map.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

Dred Scott was precedent, mouthbreathers.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 23, 2022 12:24 PM (nByzo)

580
So police in Europe where there we no slaves, was that also founded on racism to catch slaves?
Posted by: Joe XiDen


England swings like a pendulum do
Bobbies on bicycles, two by two
Westminster Abbey, the Tower, and Big Ben
The rosy red cheeks of the little slave men

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2022 12:24 PM (63Dwl)

581 just read Alito's concurrence - brilliant and succinct.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:24 PM (trdmm)

582 By that argument, one could argue that CBW (when we had them) would be eligible for private ownership.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (/NCI4)
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Yes. I know I have a radical position on this and I don't expect to get my way in any manner, but the "THEY'RE WEAPONS OF WAAAAAARRRRRRR" crap gets no truck with me.

Yes, they are. Yes, that's the point.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:25 PM (WWh8n)

583 582 Yes. I know I have a radical position on this and I don't expect to get my way in any manner, but the "THEY'RE WEAPONS OF WAAAAAARRRRRRR" crap gets no truck with me.

Yes, they are. Yes, that's the point.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:25 PM (WWh8n)

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Pointy sticks are weapons of war, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

584 579 Precedent is sacred, unless it's not.

Now, navigate the minefield with that map.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

As a famous writer once wrote, "Tis a custom more honored in the breach, than in the observance."

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:25 PM (trdmm)

585 FDA orders Juul to stop selling e-cigarettes

Posted by: SMOD at June 23, 2022 12:25 PM (RHGPo)

586 To be fair, Eric Swallwell has argued in favor of the use of atomic weapons for genocide. So other nation-states are not the *only* possible target.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2022 12:26 PM (IXpV7)

587 Do you know who else liked confiscating guns?

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:26 PM (7XcI8)

588 The left really does not like it when they lose. Looks like they're taking to twitter and stomping their feet while crying to mommy.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:26 PM (5pTK/)

589 It's not the wrong track if you think it's the right one.

Posted by: Joe Bidenza at June 23, 2022 12:26 PM (D6lWx)

590 178 Alito pretty much calls Sotomayor, Kagen and Breyer idiots in his concurring opinion!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2022 11:28 AM (5yprQ)

Alito is a wise man. Visionary, even.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:26 PM (sy5kK)

591 You know what you will never hear from the Left? "The party can't be reformed". "I'm not going to vote because I don't like what the standard bearer wants". "They all just lie to get in office and stab us in the back". The Left keeps going, keeps organizing, keeps voting.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 23, 2022 12:26 PM (5HBd1)

592 You people don't understand the definition of "precedent".

I'll read you the definition from Black's Law Dictionary:

Precedent: Court Decisions beloved by the left that have outcomes the left favors.

So, by definition, if a court decision has an outcome the left doesn't like - it isn't "precedent".

And the beauty of this definition is that even "Precedent" can become "non-precedent" if the left changes its mind about something.

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 12:26 PM (ky+MF)

593 FDA orders Juul to stop selling e-cigarettes
Posted by: SMOD at June 23, 2022 12:25 PM (RHGPo)


Seriously? DAMMIT.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2022 12:27 PM (DRSnL)

594 FDA is determined to kill people, by any means necessary.

Smoke those cancer sticks, peons!

No e-cigs for you.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:27 PM (ifBkc)

595 >This Thomas opinion on guns is a hate crime against historians. There is no life, liberty or pursuit of happiness with every thumb-sucking incel walking around with a concealed weapon. Shit was more than bad enough already, Clarence. ...

Projections from the basement. Lacks the courage to be a robber, and lacks the morals to not be a robber.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 23, 2022 12:27 PM (44ww/)

596 The left really does not like it when they lose. Looks like they're taking to twitter and stomping their feet while crying to mommy.

They need to pace themselves or they'll hyperventilate before Dobbs is released.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (/NCI4)

597 When did Bathtub Boy become an authority on amything more intellectually challenging than baseball?

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (y7DUB)

598 582 By that argument, one could argue that CBW (when we had them) would be eligible for private ownership.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (/NCI4)
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Yes. I know I have a radical position on this and I don't expect to get my way in any manner, but the "THEY'RE WEAPONS OF WAAAAAARRRRRRR" crap gets no truck with me.

Yes, they are. Yes, that's the point.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:25 PM (WWh8n)

I'm pointing out that the right to arms is derived from the right to self-defense. We have the right to self-defense against individuals and groups (states in this case). Some weapons don't actually serve self-defense except in a deterrent sense against foreign states, and the domestic state exists to handle self-defense against foreign states.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (b2nrj)

599 Yep, Jordan.

Big Tobacco has never liked e-cigs.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (ifBkc)

600 588 The left really does not like it when they lose. Looks like they're taking to twitter and stomping their feet while crying to mommy.
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Just a small preview of what's coming next week if Dobbs is still relatively intact when issued.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (MvHI3)

601 > England swings like a pendulum do
> Bobbies on bicycles, two by two

I remember seeing Roger Miller on the Tonight Show (I believe), back when that was a popular song.

When asked why he used "do" as the rhyme, he gave an alternate version:

England swings like a pendulum does
Bobbies on bicycles, fuzz by fuzz

"Fuzz" seems to have fallen out of style as a nickname for police, hasn't it?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (bW8dp)

602
Pointy sticks are weapons of war, too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

As is fresh fruit.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (906pl)

603 The urban areas will be well provisioned. Maybe I can get a gun permit now in NYC.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (b+v9B)

604 FDA is determined to kill people, by any means necessary.

Smoke those cancer sticks, peons!

No e-cigs for you.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:27 PM (ifBkc)


And now they want to lower the nicotine content in cigarettes. Which will make people smoke MORE cigarettes to get the nicotine they want.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (DRSnL)

605 585 FDA orders Juul to stop selling e-cigarettes
Posted by: SMOD at June 23, 2022 12:25 PM (RHGPo)

JUUL is a San Fran company. So lolgf. Fuck you, war.

And yes I know Altria bought it but still all the employees are SF based and voted for Biden 90-10 like all SF tech workers.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (OalnH)

606 The foundaton of police and the 2A was actually based on racism, to hunt fugitive slaves and kill them...

....

Nobody tell them that the cops collected people in the colonies who didn't show up for sunday school.

Posted by: TexasDan at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (2jRyv)

607 600 588 The left really does not like it when they lose. Looks like they're taking to twitter and stomping their feet while crying to mommy.
____________

Just a small preview of what's coming next week if Dobbs is still relatively intact when issued.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (MvHI3)

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I think they should burn down a federal courthouse in Portland because of this.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (LvTSG)

608 I would say that a lot of the problems with the public stem from "normalcy bias". A large number of the people who support basically conservative values think that the power structure is made up of the same sort of people that existed up until the early 90s. They don't grasp the level of perversion and corruption that is the norm now. It's kind of how in the late 60s early 70s normie class America didn't really get that the Paul Lynde and Tony Randall characters were gay. They were just colorful and neurotic.

Posted by: azjaeger at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (3/XaG)

609
FDA orders Juul to stop selling e-cigarettes
Posted by: SMOD


Only Juul brand or ALL e-cigs?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (63Dwl)

610 Because it's entertaining, and it lets you know what the next disaster will be. But no - none of this can be fixed. It's ovah, baby! They won, we lost. The end.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2022 12:17 PM (IXpV7)

we lost, but they didn't win - they're about to lose everything as well. The question now is who gets to be in charge, and with what powers, when we start trying to build back up from the ashes. But there's still all of that everything going to ashes phase we've got to get through first.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (trdmm)

611 So will those carrying a gun in from another state continue to be arrested?
Posted by: Diogenes
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My reading is you can't have "may issue" permits for concealed carry anymore. But we know damn well blue states will continue to arrest people.

Every state should be "constitutional carry", I believe 25-26 states are currently.

If we had a GOP worth a damn, they would at least try to get some sort of better reciprocity in a comprehensive gun plan regarding taking a gun across state lines.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (/Mfjh)

612 The Paolo is right now, how it is you say, "hard at work".

Posted by: The Paolo at June 23, 2022 12:16 PM


Yeah, yeah...brag, why don't ya.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (RkC6l)

613 We often have a good bit of discussion regarding the uselessness of the Republican Party.

2010 was our window of opportunity to form a new party. Grassroots were seriously P.O., but Rush Limbaugh *peace be upon him* did his bit for the GOP-e and kept us on the Reservation, with 3rd party always lose. We would have had time to elect congressmen to support Trump. Oh what might have been.

Posted by: Paladin at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (CE4w9)

614
So the real Constitution says.....

Senators: Voted in by State Legislatures elected by local State rules with indirect citizen participation;.......

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 23, 2022 11:23 AM (hOUT3)

That pesky 17th Amendment changed things.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (sy5kK)

615 They need to pace themselves or they'll hyperventilate before Dobbs is released.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (/NCI4)
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This gun ruling gives me hope Dobbs will be decided correctly.

The meltdown by the left should be glorious. Though, I recommend anyone who lives in a blue enclave lock and load.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (5pTK/)

616 I'm pointing out that the right to arms is derived from the right to self-defense. We have the right to self-defense against individuals and groups (states in this case). Some weapons don't actually serve self-defense except in a deterrent sense against foreign states, and the domestic state exists to handle self-defense against foreign states.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (b2nrj)
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Until it doesn't. Jefferson had a fair amount to say on that topic. And like I said, I know my position is radical and I don't expect anything like it ever, but my core position is that if a citizen can't be trusted with a weapon, why should the state be?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (WWh8n)

617 Here's an insurrectionist in Biden's very own cabinet:

@DebHaalandNM

Electoral College Electors:
Electoral College Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19 - Sign the...change.org/p/electoral-co...via @Change

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:30 PM (ptqGC)

618 That pesky 17th Amendment changed things.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (sy5kK)

Early 1900s saw a raft of Constitutional amendments, that radically altered this nation... oh, and they started the fed Bank then too, right before the Great depression... what interesting timing.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 23, 2022 12:30 PM (oHd/0)

619 You know what you will never hear from the Left? "The party can't be reformed". "I'm not going to vote because I don't like what the standard bearer wants". "They all just lie to get in office and stab us in the back". The Left keeps going, keeps organizing, keeps voting.

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 23, 2022 12:26 PM (5HBd1)

You need to read more stuff from the hard lefties. Sometimes they sounded eerily like us.

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:30 PM (Fe2bk)

620 Big Tobacco has never liked e-cigs.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (ifBkc)


I fell off the wagon for a couple of weeks and didn't want to keep smoking so I bought a Juul. Bastards.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2022 12:30 PM (DRSnL)

621 Weapon of MAD?
Jerry Nadler after night of beer and Taco Bell

Posted by: A dude in MI at June 23, 2022 12:30 PM (/6GbT)

622 FDA orders Juul to stop selling e-cigarettes

First they came for the vapers and I said nothing...

Posted by: Oddbob at June 23, 2022 12:31 PM (nfrXX)

623 The wailing coming from the left over some rulings of minor significance will pale in comparison to what will happen this summer. The usual suspects are ramping up the outrage and getting their mobs ready to riot.

The political religion the left adheres to is very similar to the Jihadists. It doesn't take much to send those nutters off into a head slicing frenzy.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 23, 2022 12:31 PM (BFigT)

624 Why autocorrect decides to turn sound into sounded I will never know. Stupid dumb autocorrect.

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:31 PM (Fe2bk)

625 Just signing in, folks.
Has the WaPo editorial by three generals warning of a Trumpian Loser Civil War in 2024 been discussed?

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2022 12:31 PM (xtg8y)

626 >>> FDA orders Juul to stop selling e-cigarettes
Posted by: SMOD

Only Juul brand or ALL e-cigs?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (63Dwl)


They should have included covid vaxx in the formula then they'd be approved for 6 mo olds.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 12:31 PM (0rQxu)

627 Until it doesn't. Jefferson had a fair amount to say on that topic. And like I said, I know my position is radical and I don't expect anything like it ever, but my core position is that if a citizen can't be trusted with a weapon, why should the state be?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (WWh8n)
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Uh, I fail to see where your logic falls apart.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 23, 2022 12:31 PM (5pTK/)

628 Bitch Hochul,

Find 35 states and 2/3 of the house and senate and repeal 2A. Until then shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Joe XiDen at June 23, 2022 12:31 PM (OalnH)

629 A large number of the people who support basically conservative values think that the power structure is made up of the same sort of people that existed up until the early 90s.

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Yes. They don't know what time it is. They don't understand crime, criminals, or criminal organizations, and because they don't, they can't recognize or accept the fact that our society has been taken over by them. Living in the past, blind to the present, and in for a nasty surprise about the future.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 23, 2022 12:32 PM (IXpV7)

630 You need to read more stuff from the hard lefties. Sometimes they sounded eerily like us.
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:30 PM (Fe2bk)

I know! The best part is that they have no actual principles at all, they only worship power - and as all of their power collapses, they are going to slide into a glorious display of impotent rage. (Like Keith Olbermann today)

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:32 PM (trdmm)

631 but my core position is that if a citizen can't be trusted with a weapon, why should the state be?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
___

Makes perfect sense to me.

Especially now, since I am not trusted by the state to have a weapon.

The same State that trained me.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:32 PM (ifBkc)

632 The left really does not like it when they lose. Looks like they're taking to twitter and stomping their feet while crying to mommy.

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They've actually reached the state where they will no longer wait to get what they want through the democratic process. They want violent force used to reach their goals. So when remnants of that democratic process don't give them what they want, they literally cannot accept it. They're insane babies.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 23, 2022 12:32 PM (sVtYq)

633 And now they want to lower the nicotine content in cigarettes. Which will make people smoke MORE cigarettes to get the nicotine they want.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 23, 2022 12:28 PM (DRSnL)

So, back when everyone smoked, most people were thin.

I don't see a lot of fat smokers today either.... what is the trade off of deaths from obesity, vs Lung Cancer?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 23, 2022 12:32 PM (oHd/0)

634 They don't grasp the level of perversion and corruption that is the norm now.

Posted by: azjaeger at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (3/XaG)

this is the problem with every generation because every generation defines deviancy down. In other words, what was considered wrong and immoral for our parents is now "normal" for us, but those in our generational cohort want to push the boundaries farther and define even more deviancy down - meaning make more deviant behavior "normal".

the problem with the left (of many problems) is that they exist to push societies boundaries as to what is 'acceptable" behavior. That gives them moral purpose. But, with each succeeding generation, they have to look for ever more deviant behaviors to normalize.

It never occurs to them that they've normalized enough deviant behaviors and it is time to stop for the good of society. Because what then, would be their purpose?

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 12:32 PM (ky+MF)

635 Democrats 2022: Get the Vapers!

Posted by: ... at June 23, 2022 12:33 PM (PtVG9)

636 my core position is that if a citizen can't be trusted with a weapon, why should the state be?

Presumably because it must defend us against countries without human rights or compunctions about using any weapon it chooses on us.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 12:33 PM (/NCI4)

637 Riots are going to be lit this summer. Literally.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:33 PM (ptqGC)

638 Only Juul brand or ALL e-cigs?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


Only Juul, atm.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 12:33 PM (J5T7h)

639 616
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Until it doesn't. Jefferson had a fair amount to say on that topic. And like I said, I know my position is radical and I don't expect anything like it ever, but my core position is that if a citizen can't be trusted with a weapon, why should the state be?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (WWh8n)

Well there is my direct point, a private individual doesn't have a scenario where he can use a nuke in self-defense.

And again MAD weapons aren't weapons you can actually use, their entire point is that you can't use them. The more participants you add to the game the higher the odds someone does and then everyone dies. Ideally no states would have bioweapons or nukes but we also can't practically achieve that.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:33 PM (b2nrj)

640 my core position is that if a citizen can't be trusted with a weapon, why should the state be?

Presumably because it must defend us against countries without human rights or compunctions about using any weapon it chooses on us.
Posted by: Archimedes

Who defends us when the state turns those same weapons ON US?

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (J5T7h)

641 That pesky 17th Amendment changed things.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg


Exactly, to counter the influence of the state legislatures as a third interested party in the composition of the Senate component of the Feral Gummint

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (hOUT3)

642 FDA orders Juul to stop selling e-cigarettes

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Injecting 6-month old babies with experimental vaccines is fine though.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (sVtYq)

643 Until it doesn't. Jefferson had a fair amount to say on that topic. And like I said, I know my position is radical and I don't expect anything like it ever, but my core position is that if a citizen can't be trusted with a weapon, why should the state be?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 23, 2022 12:29 PM (WWh8n)
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This is a perfect summation of the Right-Individualist/Left-Collectivist divide here in general, and sadly less-so worldwide.

The greatest feature of the U.S. DoI/Constitution was the enshrinement of the concept that THE INDIVIDUAL, not the STATE or KING, IS SOVEREIGN.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (ZNlqs)

644 FDA orders Juul to stop selling e-cigarettes

Should've named the company Zuul. Nothing would stop it then.

Posted by: Peter Venkman at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (h5TKJ)

645 Here's an insurrectionist in Biden's very own cabinet:

@DebHaalandNM

Electoral College Electors:
Electoral College Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19 - Sign the...change.org/p/electoral-co...via @Change
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 23, 2022 12:30 PM (ptqGC)

That's a hoot. It's kinda like the people who keep insisting the Patriots didn't actually win the Super Bowl, because Brady overinflated the balls, and Belly Check always cheats.

Whatever, guy. They got the trophy, you don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (5FSzs)

646 nood


Lum



Ace

Posted by: banana Dream at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (0rQxu)

647 Ace up

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (J5T7h)

648 637 Riots are going to be lit this summer. Literally.
___________

Either the left gets its way on every issue, or they burn the country down.

Nothing unfair about that, right?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (MvHI3)

649 New thread, Ace is awake -- re: Supreme Court and gun laws. NOOD

Posted by: gdgm+ at June 23, 2022 12:35 PM (k6jXd)

650 638 Only Juul brand or ALL e-cigs?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Only Juul, atm.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT


Doesn't this establish "precedent"?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at June 23, 2022 12:35 PM (hOUT3)

651 Posted by: butch at June 23, 2022 11:41 AM (zLpRk)

So you're in the Let it Burn camp? You can vote for the Dems to make it happen sooner.
Posted by: Anti

Anti, please let the butch stay home and not vote.
It will mean another voter's vote will count more.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 23, 2022 12:35 PM (PtaaZ)

652 Do you mean most or us morons, or most of the USA population? As long as the fed govt extracts taxes to subsidize and bailout the cities, city failures affect all taxpayers.

Are talking only financial collapse here?
Because I can almost guarantee that if the SHTF the infrastructure for the cities will go up in flames before anything else.

Posted by: GMan at June 23, 2022 12:35 PM (GfWuY)

653 And now they want to lower the nicotine content in cigarettes. Which will make people smoke MORE cigarettes to get the nicotine they want.
Posted by: Jordan61
____

I had a good friend that had quit cigarettes for vaping, but after they went after the flavors he liked, he went back to cigarettes.

Top men.

I think they just go after vaping because the wine moms think its trashy. That's basically what the modern Dem party is. A bunch of Karens that need to be placated.

Let mw know when marijuana gets banned over health concerns. Same people that want vaping outlawed probably eat THC gummi's.

Posted by: Blago at June 23, 2022 12:35 PM (/Mfjh)

654 Who defends us when the state turns those same weapons ON US?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (J5T7h)

And I can pretty much guarantee, that I've had more weapons training than your average cop.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 23, 2022 12:35 PM (oHd/0)

655 It never occurs to them that they've normalized enough deviant behaviors and it is time to stop for the good of society. Because what then, would be their purpose?
Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 12:32 PM (ky+MF)

I suppose that's why every couple hundred years or so you get a strict puritan generation that tries to clamp down on all the bullshit that's been percolating for a while. Although I worry that the Wokemonsters are our civilizations Puritan outburst, and it makes me want to stick with the Cavaliers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:35 PM (trdmm)

656 Who defends us when the state turns those same weapons ON US?
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (J5T7h)

Setting off a chain of nuclear reprisals that destroys the entire world isn't an act of self-defense.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 23, 2022 12:35 PM (b2nrj)

657 Presumably because it must defend us against countries without human rights or compunctions about using any weapon it chooses on us.
Posted by: Archimedes

Who defends us when the state turns those same weapons ON US?


Therein lies the rub. It's easy to adopt the extreme position on either end, but not so easy to find a real-world solution.

As for me, I'd just as soon my nutcase next door neighbor not have access to weaponized anthrax.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 12:36 PM (/NCI4)

658 America First isn't America Only, it is less an absolute than that it has "no place" in their party.

What Dems and their lackeys refuse to understand about English.

Posted by: Axeman at June 23, 2022 12:36 PM (krQz2)

659
Only Juul brand or ALL e-cigs?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Only Juul, atm.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT


How can they pick on only one manufacturer?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 23, 2022 12:36 PM (63Dwl)

660 642 FDA orders Juul to stop selling e-cigarettes

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Injecting 6-month old babies with experimental vaccines is fine though.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 23, 2022 12:34 PM (sVtYq)
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Were they smart, they would have aerosolized the vaxx and mandated e-cigarettes for 6-month old babies and the rest of the populace.

/Yah, I know, don't give them any ideas ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 23, 2022 12:36 PM (ZNlqs)

661 Remember the entire NFA and all the constructs around it were based on the two step test that SCOTUS now says is unconstitutional. They do say (Alito in particular) the right is not absolute. But we need to challenge that statute to find out where the line is drawn. States like anY are not NFA states. That seems unconstitutional to deny citizens access to arms In use In 43 other states.
Posted by: Marcus T
NFA was based erroneously against short barrelled shotguns, cough cough WWI cough cough and machine guns.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 23, 2022 12:23 PM (J5T7h)

Concur. Abolish The NFA.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 23, 2022 12:36 PM (pbYrN)

662 I had a nice discussion with my younger daughter's friends/neighbors 'cross the river the other day.

She recently moved to the Ozarks from Arizona, and she admitted that she hated Trump, and now wishes he was still in office.
And she believes the govt is trying to kill us all.

I just smiled and nodded.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:36 PM (ifBkc)

663 So SCOTUS has given the GOP senators an out and could say hey maybe we should slow down and reconsider this red flag bill, but will they do that? of course not silly rabbit, Tricks are on you!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 23, 2022 12:37 PM (8GBH4)

664 Presumably because it must defend us against countries without human rights or compunctions about using any weapon it chooses on us.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2022 12:33 PM (/NCI4)

Right. Those guys who wouldn't try to stop an 18 year old emo transjenner who was actively murdering children, we're supposed to expect them to defend us when Chi Nah invades.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 23, 2022 12:37 PM (5FSzs)

665 She recently moved to the Ozarks from Arizona, and she admitted that she hated Trump, and now wishes he was still in office.
And she believes the govt is trying to kill us all.

I just smiled and nodded.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:36 PM (ifBkc)
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We tried to tell them. But they were so sure of their experts who reassured them that Trump was a "dictator".

They didn't need to listen to icky Trump people.

Posted by: Axeman at June 23, 2022 12:39 PM (krQz2)

666 I suppose that's why every couple hundred years or so you get a strict puritan generation that tries to clamp down on all the bullshit that's been percolating for a while. Although I worry that the Wokemonsters are our civilizations Puritan outburst, and it makes me want to stick with the Cavaliers.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2022 12:35 PM (trdmm)

Except every religious "revival" movement is weaker than the last for the very same reason.

But, the left is a lot like technology advances. they've won so many battles on expanding the boundaries for what is normal, that each successive battle and change comes sooner and is more significant than the last.

The move from "gay marriage" to "trans rights" in the past would have taken decades to develop and make inroads into law and society. But now it took literally months from the gay marriage decision to "trans rights" being center stage and gov't's starting to pass laws about letting men use girls' bathrooms etc. I can't even imagine what comes after "trans rights", but something will. I suspect it will be normalizing pedophilia (we've seen some movements in that direction already)

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 12:40 PM (ky+MF)

667 Because I can almost guarantee that if the SHTF the infrastructure for the cities will go up in flames before anything else.


the S doesn't even have to hit any Fs for this

just yesterday a huge sinkhole in north philly, water running and flooding everywhere. this happens all the time, it's not even a big story. upkeep in the city is not happening. soon fixing stuff like this in bad neighborhoods won't happen (actually we're already pretty much there). it's happening NOW. the cities are crumbling and that is WITH tons of fed money thrown at them!

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 23, 2022 12:40 PM (w0NJk)

668 Even if the 2nd Amendment was deleted by a proper constitutional Amendment process, that wouldn't change our right to self-defense as granted by the Almighty.

The Bill of Rights only wrote down what everyone understood in America back then. We have certain natural rights that the government can't take away.

If a fucking one-celled organism has the right to use lethal force to protect itself, then by God so do I.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2022 12:43 PM (Mxzkj)

669 263 It appears to me that African Americans have it so ingrained in their minds that Dem = Non Racist and Republican =Racist that no amount of factual information will ever change their minds.

It is unbelievably disheartening to see Black Americans so oblivious to the truth and facts and so willing to vote for their own continued destruction.

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 11:20 AM (ky+MF)

I actually watched an argument in home depot last week. A black dude was pretty pissed at the prices of things he was buying, and was bitching at the cashier. Another dude in line in so many words said, well if you voted for biden you helped create this. The black dude says yeah I voted for biden, because trump is a racist. So yeah....
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (VwHCD)

It's sad. It's true.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at June 23, 2022 12:43 PM (sy5kK)

670 Can someone please explain to me what's wrong in any way with promoting Anglo-Saxon political interests? Be specific please.

Posted by: Zaklog the Great at June 23, 2022 12:44 PM (ml4VY)

671 A proper and appropriate new thread call:

"Naked (nood) Gun"

Posted by: Sharkman at June 23, 2022 12:45 PM (Mxzkj)

672 >>> 511 We have become a nation of sports fans. Rah, rah.
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A lot of us have lost interest in sports.
Permanently.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 23, 2022 12:14 PM (ifBkc)

*fistbump*

I suspect in the past few months a lot of people have realized that bread is more important than circuses.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 23, 2022 01:01 PM (llON8)

673 I actually watched an argument in home depot last week. A black dude was pretty pissed at the prices of things he was buying, and was bitching at the cashier. Another dude in line in so many words said, well if you voted for biden you helped create this. The black dude says yeah I voted for biden, because trump is a racist. So yeah....
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at June 23, 2022 11:39 AM (VwHCD)


Response to that: Let's assume you are right and Donald Trump is a raging racist. But, you need to also admit that his policies did not hurt you--a black man--and in fact you--a black man--were better off under Trump's policies. Isn't that correct? And if so, weren't you better off under the allegedly racist Trump than you are now under the allegedly non-racist Biden?

And if that's true - why would you vote for Biden? Just because you perceive Trump to be racist? Do you not take into account how the policies actually effect you at all? If you don't - what is it you are making your decision to vote based on? It sounds like pure emotion and pure rumor (i.e., that someone is "racist"). that's hardly an adult way to make a decision is it?

Posted by: Mehive at June 23, 2022 01:17 PM (ky+MF)

674 GREAT stuff DaveinFLA. Thank you.

Posted by: Forheremenaremen at June 23, 2022 02:12 PM (GMR0L)

675 Keith Olbermann
@KeithOlbermann
Also, fuck Alito, Thomas, Roberts, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and the paralegal Coney Barrett.

Wait, so the only woman on Bathtub Boy's list gets disparaged as a "paralegal"?

That seems rather war on womenish

Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 23, 2022 04:30 PM (eiN05)

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