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Police Response to Uvalde Shooter Was Even Worse Than Thought: Cops Had All the Guns and Bullet Proof Shields They Needed, Could Have Killed Shooter in "Three Minutes;"
Didn't Even Try Opening the Door, WHICH WAS UNLOCKED THE WHOLE TIME
They say the bulletproof shields came within 19 minutes of the killer's entry into the school, but the Texas police commander says, in the video below the fold, that the killer could have been taken out "in three minutes." He means three minutes after the killer entered the building. In other words: You don't have to wait for bulletproof shields when children are bleeding out and there's a single shooter and you have a lot of men and weapons and you're also wearing body armor. Go in and take him down.
But they had to wait for those keys. For that locked door.
Which... wasn't locked.
Ooops! Guess someone should have checked that lock. (It apparently only locks from the outside, which is something that can probably be determined by visual inspection, identifying the type of lock it is.)
Note that they've been pushing this claim that the door was locked, and they had to wait to have the keys brought to them, for two months now. Only now is it revealed: Nope, not locked. They just never bothered checking it.
BNN Newsroom
@BNNBreaking BREAKING: Law enforcement confirms no one tried to open Uvalde classroom door, which they now know was never locked
Col. Steve McCraw (@TxDPS), the chief of the Texas Department of Public Safety, described the police response to last month's massacre at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school as a "absurd failure," detailing how officers quickly entered the school and obtained protective shields... ...but still left defenseless children trapped inside with the gunman for more than an hour. McCraw testified about the police response to the tragedy at a state Senate hearing. Delays in responding by law enforcement have become the focus of federal, state, and local investigations. "Obviously, not enough training was done in this situation, plain and simple. Because terrible decisions were made by the on-site commander," McCraw said of Pete Arredondo, the Uvalde school district police chief. Eight minutes after the shooter entered the building, an officer reported that police had a "hooligan" crowbar that could be used to break down the classroom door, according to McCraw. According to the witness, police brought the first ballistic shield into the building 19 minutes after the gunman entered. Arredondo, according to McCraw, chose the lives of officers over the lives of children. The public safety chief described to the committee a number of missed opportunities, communication breakdowns, and other errors, including: -Arredondo was not carrying a radio. -Only Border Patrol agents' radios worked inside the school; police and sheriff's radios did not. -To coordinate their response, the police used incorrect diagrams of the school. According to state police, the gunman entered the school through an exterior door propped open by a teacher, but McGraw stated that the door had been closed & could only be locked from the outside. "There's no way for her to know the door is locked," McGraw said. "He walked straight through." Authorities have given contradictory and incorrect accounts of what occurred in the days and weeks following the shooting, sometimes withdrawing statements hours later. But McCraw assured lawmakers: "Everything I've testified today is corroborated."
Tony Plohetski
@tplohetski BREAKING: In the strongest terms possible, the head of the Texas state police has just condemned the law enforcement response in Uvalde, calling it an "abject failure and antithetical to everything we have learned over the past two decades."
Texas DPS Director Steve McCraw says teachers -- not law enforcement -- should be praised for their actions one month ago today. He said police had enough firepower and protection to act far faster than they did. Teachers worked quickly to lock the school down and save lives. According to McCraw, the gunman was "moving toward a pathway to violence" in the months leading up to shooting and in some ways had "taken on the demeanor of a school shooter." He urged Texans to alert law enforcement of these types of suspicious activity.
DPS Director McCraw indicates that he believes video evidence in the case will ultimately be released. He said his agency has been asked by the Uvalde DA not to release information for now, pending conclusion of the investigation.
I wonder if the video will show cops picking the underwear out of their asses for seventy minutes.
Texas police commander: "Three minutes after the shooter entered [Robb Elementary], there was sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to neutralize the subject. The only thing stopping [them] was the on scene commander." pic.twitter.com/8a8zBzw7rW
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) June 21, 2022
BREAKING: Multiple officers were inside Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. the day of the shooting, new video and other evidence shows. They didn’t enter the classroom for another 58 minutes. More soon via @statesman and @KVUE. 1/2 pic.twitter.com/0BcYgq2hcQ
— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) June 20, 2022
YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENED NEXT...
Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Chief Peter Arredondo, who is under intense scrutiny for being the one who reportedly coordinated the response to the Robb Elementary School shooting, has been sworn in as a city councilman, the Washington Examiner reported Tuesday night. Arrendondo was elected by the voters of Uvalde, Texas, prior to the shooting, and other members of the council were also sworn in. As RedState reported earlier, the Texas Department of Public Safety said earlier Tuesday that Arrendondo, in particular, and the city's police officials were no longer cooperating with state investigators. He made the decision to not confront the gunman, who killed 19 students and two teachers, right away and instead waited for backup. And according to the DPS, Arredondo believed the shooter had barricaded himself inside the school and that it was not an active shooter situation, NBC News reported.
Journalists and parents are kicked out of the Uvalde City Council meeting because the council feels “intimidated” by their presence.
— 𒆜 𝕊𝕖𝕩𝕦𝕒𝕝 𝔸𝕟𝕒𝕣𝕔𝕙𝕪 𒆜 (@1onghorn) June 20, 2022
Please RT. #UvaldeCoverUp #UvaldeMassacre pic.twitter.com/COdHxg21ji
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Catherine at June 21, 2022 04:26 PM (ZSsrh)
Posted by: Catherine at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (ZSsrh)
Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (KAi1n)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (FZ2cV)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (VdGjU)
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Sic the FBI on them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:29 PM (LvTSG)
That's actually untrue. The "strongest terms possible" would be doing to Uvalde's law enforcement what the killer did to those kids.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2022 04:29 PM (KAi1n)
Are they saying that if there was a fire it would take them over an hour to get in? And the Chief was always squishy in explaining how he tried to get in - his story never made sense.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (8T60T)
Lepers should get a warmer welcome.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (YIVH2)
To paraphrase:
Cops had bod armor. Kids didn't.
Cops had numbers, shooter didn't.
Cops had bulletproof shields, kids didn't.
Cops had training, shooter didn't.
There is not and never will be an acceptable answer to why they did what they did and may God have mercy on their souls because I don't.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (VJFAr)
Posted by: 7man at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (qwO6y)
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Holy crap.
Tom Servo made a joke the other day that the police were pissed off at a pizza delivery boy who had arrived to bring food to the cops and he accidentally opened the door and made them look bad. I responded that it was funny because I didn't know if it was true or not.
Turns out that wasn't far from the truth.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (g7CEa)
They were directly complicit in the deaths of some of those children.
You can't have it both ways... if you want a monopoly on the ability to defend, then you must have the legal duty to defend.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (oHd/0)
Posted by: Joe La Mode. at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (8T60T)
Posted by: Inogame at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (53oGX)
Posted by: buzzion at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (vMCab)
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Spring Is In the Air! at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (FVME7)
2. Nothing more to see here.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: davidt at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (oTZbj)
Probably.
Now the cops ala "Meal Team Six" were responding to reports about a bar and/or a restaurant breaking COVID restrictions, they wouldn't hesitate to raid that place. No 70 minute delay there, no sir.
Posted by: Thrawn at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (Rl7KJ)
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (vrz2I)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: jewells45 at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (nxdel)
They were directly complicit in the deaths of some of those children.
You can't have it both ways... if you want a monopoly on the ability to defend, then you must have the legal duty to defend.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (oHd/0)
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Government agent immunity is something that really needs to be revisited by SCOTUS.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (LvTSG)
HOWEVER, I can't imagine that would last more than a minute. At the 'first next' shot fired, they have to go in, and they didn't.
They should be ashamed and used as poster children of shitty law enforcement.
Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (VJsqe)
Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2022 04:29 PM
I'm willing to be magnanimous and give them an opportunity to suck start a .45 first.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (RkC6l)
Really, none of the police should feel safe again.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (EpDzw)
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There were no A-10 Warthogs available.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Spring Is In the Air! at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (FVME7)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (fwjwo)
Hell.... as someone who was both on Fire Teams, AND ship's self defense Force.... damn straight I know how to get through doors... even if locked.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (oHd/0)
You wouldn't want somebody to slip in it and jeopardize the (e)mission.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (krQz2)
That's the important thing
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (mR6Gs)
Another infuriating point. They think incompetence is an excuse for cowardice?
How much cash have they received for training? where did that cash go? And now they claim they were not properly trained.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (8T60T)
Posted by: illiniwek at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (xPl2J)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (llsW/)
Posted by: Bete at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (F9322)
Posted by: Beartooth at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (kCBQ3)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (g7CEa)
Posted by: brak at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (j5Tg0)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (LvTSG)
SCOTUS just denied hearing two cases of Federal agents being above the law. One sent a woman away for two years by lying. Another attempted to murder a person who was questioning him. Both still have immunity for their actions.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (EpDzw)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (FZ2cV)
Recall: Some of the kids were hiding under the table and were shot when the police-- who hadn't neutralized the killer yet--told them to call out.
That is, police in full bulletproof gear, yell, "Call out if you need help."
Kids call out.
Gunshots.
Police .... stand around for another hour.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (XuSFy)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (pyoFO)
Only now is it revealed: Nope, not locked. They just never bothered checking it.
++++
Top quality work all around. Give those men bonuses.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (WWh8n)
Posted by: brak at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (j5Tg0)
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And obviously, the ONLY problem is a lack of gun control.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (krQz2)
I hope they're haunted by the sounds for the rest of their shameful, miserable lives.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (VJFAr)
And then go upstairs with a revolver and a tumbler of brandy and...not come down.
Posted by: Obligatory at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (vrz2I)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (PiwSw)
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Those PowerPoint trainings about checking doors instead of fucking around for hours are gonna be lit AF.
Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (Zl50w)
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (fwjwo)
Posted by: Uvalde City Council at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (VJsqe)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (zhLdt)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (g7CEa)
Greatly enjoying watching that lie go up in flames.
Pigs gonna pig.
Cowards gonna coward.
Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (+ozEO)
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (xPl2J)
I believe it can only be locked form the outside and only locks on the outside.
Meaning someone inside could leave, but someone outside cannot come in.
Posted by: Inogame at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (53oGX)
the citizens are certainly not getting what they paid for
Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (geLO8)
Just take the city council hostage. You'll have an hour and a half to do what you want with them.
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I imagine the council is in charge of the PD's budget. You better believe they'd be ALL OVER that situation.
If the kids want to be protected they should donate more to the FOP.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (IXpV7)
Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (6jFs+)
There are men in this country who would have ran into that room without a gun or a body shield.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (mR6Gs)
As the Uvalde police spokesperson said, "They could have been shot if they confronted the tranny spree killer!"
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (ESjRY)
Well I guess he finally learned how to clear a room of hostiles, huh?
++++
Only disarmed ones when he had overwhelming force on his side.
Because he's a hero, not a coward like those pissed off citizens who feel betrayed by his feckless, despicable incompetence in the line of duty that helped get a lot of people killed.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (WWh8n)
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (xPl2J)
Yeah, I don't buy that shit at all. Who installs an exterior door that only locks from the outside?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (Y5qcH)
Posted by: Jmel at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (bVhJi)
I hope they're haunted by the sounds for the rest of their shameful, miserable lives.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM
I think I spotted the problem.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (RkC6l)
Reminiscent of the Far Side "...School for the Gifted".
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (fwjwo)
Posted by: torabora at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (aCj7/)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (kzAOr)
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That's still no excuse. A decent human being says, "Fuck that. Let's take him down!"
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (YIVH2)
This door kept 100 police officers out of the room for an hour.
And it wasn't even locked.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (g7CEa)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (VdGjU)
They'd have been hired somewhere else within minutes.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (zhLdt)
Which... wasn't locked.
Even worse, the Texas Tribune reports a Halligan bar was available within minutes of the first LEO response. It's a great big pry bar thing the firefighters use to break through or pry open doors. Even if the door was locked and they didn't have keys, they could have pried open the door.
Within the first minutes of the law enforcement response, an officer said the Halligan (a firefighting tool that is also sometimes spelled hooligan) was on site. It wasn’t brought into the school until an hour after the first officers entered the building. Authorities didn’t use it and instead waited for keys.
https://bit.ly/3y7iJRE
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (kDGvA)
I hope they're haunted by the sounds for
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (llON8)
As I told my wife, this has the feel of getting successive rounds of bullshit from a bullshitter as you call them on different parts of their story.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (xPl2J)
Only locks from the outside. I suppose that it also unlocks from the outside AND inside.
Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (nByzo)
There are men in this country who would have ran into that room without a gun or a body shield.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (mR6Gs)
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Our son said he would have without thinking twice about it. And I know he would have.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (llON8)
Posted by: dustydog at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (eIEYa)
cowardice
Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (geLO8)
Oh...you are investigating.
Well, maybe you should ask Durham for some tips. He's real good at that.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (krQz2)
Shun them.
Shun their families.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (pyoFO)
Honestly, that's letting them off to easy. Dead kids because you wouldn't do your job. "I was following orders" is no excuse.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (EpDzw)
Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (nByzo)
Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (tQvWB)
Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (Zl50w)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (krQz2)
Who will come and protect you if you need them.
***** BREAK ***** BREAK ***** BREAK *****
Where the metal meets the meat, we are responsible for our own safety.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (fI5MT)
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Yep.
This cannot be posted enough. They flat out stated that they let those kids die because they were scared they might get shot at by one cross dressing high school dropout.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (g7CEa)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (llON8)
Posted by: The Barrel at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (RkC6l)
Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (0OmEj)
Posted by: dustydog at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (eIEYa)
What did they need radios for anyways. The guy is in one room. ONE GUY IN ONE ROOM
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (EpDzw)
Posted by: Wally at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (GHXTu)
Uvalde: The "Well trained, well equipped" cops did NOTHING for an hour until a good guy with a guy snuck in and offed the tranny spree killer.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (R0Vr1)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (LvTSG)
Too bad the USSC just passed on a chance to do that.
Posted by: Bete at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (F9322)
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Full of windows.
(flashbangs sit peacefully in all of the cruisers)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (g7CEa)
Assuming he was another Blessing of Liberty.
Drag Queen Shooting Hour?
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (VJFAr)
Because I think the answer is yes, yes he would.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (ESjRY)
cowardice
Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (geLO
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Or it's all bullshit leverage to make Americans susceptible to giving the government a "modicum" of power for "red flag laws" that the Governor of Pennsylvania admits could apply to "cryptic posts" on social media. (i.e. posts that certain people do not understand).
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (krQz2)
I am not going to say what I would do upon learning this news if my child or wife was in that school and murdered.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (bVYXr)
“Are you gonna pay our water bill?”
Motherfucker. What an absolute dickhead. Guy needs to be tarred and feather for such a flippant answer.
Public servant my ass.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (kzAOr)
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (R0Vr1)
At least stay in the room and make them arrest you. And I mean make them drag you out.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (EpDzw)
Posted by: John Roberts at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (j5Tg0)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (Pc/Ee)
Assuming he was another Blessing of Liberty.
Drag Queen Shooting Hour?
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (ZGrMX)
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Those pictures of him posing in drag sure disappeared right away.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (ptqGC)
Outer door - temporarily propped but reportedly closed by teacher when gunman arrived.
Above quote states that it can only be locked from outside, so was unlocked.
Inner, classroom door - status unknown. Police have claimed it was locked and they searched for keys. Police admitted they did not try keys on that door, but instead used keys on other classroom doors looking for "master key." Suspected unlocked since there is no mention of using keys when they finally went in.
Halligan Bar has never been mentioned in this story.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (8T60T)
Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (tQvWB)
Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (VJsqe)
Door left open to outside status: NOT left open
Door locked for hours status: NOT locked
Doors are hard. But you can trust the "science" on microorganisms and disease vectors.
Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (Dqxym)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (LvTSG)
Too bad the USSC just passed on a chance to do that.
Posted by: Bete at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (F9322)
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Well, it's a judicial created "right", so the only real solution is through SCOTUS.
It's a massive mistake, though. Some limited immunity for certain well defined types of roles and situations would be valuable. Intentional misbehavior should be punishable to the individual personally.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (LvTSG)
Because in that moment, I would know that to NOT act would sentence me to a life of shame and regret that would eat me alive. Better to face the moment, whatever happens, than to live in shame. Seriously, the shame would literally kill me, in time.
Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (geLO8)
The FNM early on told us he was a citizen and that his dad was in jail and his mom was a druggie.
The fact they did NOT tell us he wasn't a dreamer tells me he was.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (nC+QA)
Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (+ozEO)
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (o/rfX)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (H4bsh)
As I told my wife, this has the feel of getting successive rounds of bullshit from a bullshitter as you call them on different parts of their story.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (krQz2)
I don't believe any of that. In this case it was just a bunch of pussified cops in it for the pays and bennies.
The problem is that being a policeman used to be a vocation, a calling---almost like the priesthood.
Now, the great pay and benefits attract faggots who wouldn't have been a cop back when --as Jack Webb used to say--cops were overworked and underpaid.
None of the cops I remember when i was a kid would have hung around when kids were being slaughtered.
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (mR6Gs)
Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (VJsqe)
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If wetting yourself is a response.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (krQz2)
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And the shunning should be tripled for this guy...
Don't sell him donuts, coffee, groceries and/or just tell him to wait for 58 minutes.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (pyoFO)
Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (Dqxym)
I would have gone in by myself. Full stop. I would have gone in by myself and left everyone of my fellow officers standing on the sidewalk.
Don't care if they fired me. Don't give a shit. That's a once in a lifetime, no second chance type of decision that you cannot and should not screw up.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (VJFAr)
- Our new Supreme Court Justice
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (g7CEa)
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (VdGjU)
Posted by: Bete at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (F9322)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (Pc/Ee)
Oh I bet the BORTAC agent is going to get something nasty in his "permanent record".
He offed a mostly peaceful tranny after all.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (ESjRY)
"Hey Flash, there are 12 year-old girls in there!"
"I'm on it!"
Posted by: Wally at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (GHXTu)
**
Full of windows.
(flashbangs sit peacefully in all of the cruisers)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (g7CEa)
That's why talking about the radios is worthless. This didn't require split second timing of five different teams. It is breaching a room which you can do easily with three guys.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (EpDzw)
Generations of lazy unengaged misinformed propagandized citizens, marinating in increasingly distorted and toxic nonsense from every angle, turns out to have consequences.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: dantesed at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (193FS)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (llsW/)
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (2JoB
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This.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (89T5c)
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (KbCG3)
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (R0Vr1)
true
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (mR6Gs)
He offed a mostly peaceful tranny after all.
And it was almost Pride Month!
Hell, that's probably why Biden is punishing the Border Patrol now for the horse whippings that didn't actually happen.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (ZGrMX)
Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (njInY)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (ESjRY)
Damn right we could have been shot and if we were who's going to write those traffic citations for speeding 1 mile over the limit. Did you think of that? I thought not.
Posted by: Ulvade Police Chief at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (kCBQ3)
But, please John Cornyn, take away guns from legal gun owners, you douche.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (tQvWB)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (VdGjU)
Arkanicides are just so prevalent.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (EpDzw)
Could you imagine what would happen to a private ordered to engage some jihadi in 'Stan if he just stood around the outside of a building while the jihadi killed friendlies for an hour?
And this is a few dozen trained cops confronted by...a single tranny.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: brak at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (j5Tg0)
Posted by: The Keystone Cops at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (Dqxym)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (Pc/Ee)
These cops deserve the Inglorious Bastards treatment.
Posted by: Anotheranon at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (8Ze5j)
Posted by: Shaftoe at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (gS/r9)
Unless...
I won't go where my mind is going but, wouldn't most men (or women) go into protector mode and need to be held back by more than some dumb higher-up saying "let's wait"?
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (DcKNO)
The problem is that being a policeman used to be a vocation, a calling---almost like the priesthood.
The culture that created those men is gone, too. Now a tough guy is a boy with a beard who is great at video games and only cries sometimes when he talks to his girlfriend.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (llsW/)
He offed a mostly peaceful tranny after all.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (ESjRY)
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I'm sure when you take the day as a whole, that day was mostly peaceful.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (Pc/Ee)
*
(looks at the ballistic shield propped up against the thick school walls and suspect the metal doors have metal door frames)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (g7CEa)
This is my operating assumption.
We heard a hell of a lot about the Buffalo Shooter, in comparison.
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (fwjwo)
Don't care if they fired me. Don't give a shit. That's a once in a lifetime, no second chance type of decision that you cannot and should not screw up.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (VJFAr)
As I said right after this happened: I don't understand how NOT ONE of those cops did this.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (DRSnL)
Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (D6lWx)
Who has enforcement on that? The local cops or the statees?
Because if it is the latter...Abbott you going to do anything???
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (89T5c)
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (/U27+)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (dKiJG)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (ptqGC)
They can show up with matching pumps and rainbow colored bullets.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (llsW/)
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (vrz2I)
Who cares. There are kids in there getting shot.
It's not Goldeneye on PS3.
Kick that fucking door in and waste the gunman.
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (fwjwo)
I suspect we will find the police lead told the rest to stay out and they "just followed orders".
They should all be fired and the lead arrested but...this is Soviet America now, not Heritage America
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (89T5c)
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No. Those police are cowards. Every last one of them covered by unconstitutional qualified immunity.
They get no excuse.
Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (+ozEO)
Posted by: jewells45 at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (nxdel)
They can show up with matching pumps and rainbow colored bullets.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (llsW/)
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Call the local gun range.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (LvTSG)
Under the U.S. Constitution. Texas's may be different.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (KAi1n)
I've had a theory since the early 2000s that most Millennial men grow beards because they're otherwise indistinguishable from women.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (ZGrMX)
Apparently Trump is awful
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (Mhces)
According to them, the fact these police were so turrified of a tranny with an AR is proof it's too powerful for civvy hands.
Also according to them, those police were the proverbial good guys, and they did nothing. This proves that good guys in all times and in all places would have been just as useless.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (kDGvA)
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (o/rfX)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (Pc/Ee)
Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (h9Mbp)
Under the U.S. Constitution. Texas's may be different.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (KAi1n)
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I missed that clause.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (LvTSG)
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (DRSnL)
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As I said up above, a decent man would say, "Fuck that. We're going in!" These were not decent men. They are scum and should be regarded lower than the slime accumulating in the cracks of my bathtub.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (YIVH2)
Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (tQvWB)
Don't care if they fired me. Don't give a shit. That's a once in a lifetime, no second chance type of decision that you cannot and should not screw up.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (VJFAr)
As I said right after this happened: I don't understand how NOT ONE of those cops did this.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (DRSnL)
One could possibly see how 1 or maybe 2 cops "chickened out". Nobody really knows how'll they would react when SHTF like this. But there were at least 4 in the school, with AR's and long guns, with ballistic shields and vests.
Not one of the four could "nut up"?
We're on our own, folks. Equip and train accordingly.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (ZGrMX)
It's because most a lazy and shaving is too hard.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (Y5qcH)
If there was an opposition party interested in keeping and preserving the RTKBA it might want to keep the fact the cops have no responsibility to protect people front and center in the news by arresting/suing the Uvalde cops.
Sure the SC will smack you down. MAKE THEM DO IT.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (bs+z0)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (YIVH2)
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No police officer is a decent man.
Not one.
Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (+ozEO)
Apparently Trump is awful
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (Mhces)
Hey! That's MY grift!
Posted by: William Kristol at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (dKiJG)
As I said in the post below, he had better be shot or have been beaten to a pulp to stop him.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (EpDzw)
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (OuH7W)
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (b+v9B)
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (Bd6X8)
If their radios weren't working, I'd assume they weren't in touch with 911 dispatchers, and didn't realize shooting had commenced.
If they thought he had a roomful of kids but didn't realize he had shot them, I can see where they would want to proceed with caution, which does jibe with the reports that the lead officer thought it was a barricaded shooter situation.
Neither do I believe that an officer sat there and let his wife bleed out. I believe they must have held him back somehow.
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (qxetU)
Posted by: brak at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM
Well they do get the "Hero" discount at Canes chicken fingers restaurants. Maybe that was good enough for them.
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (bVYXr)
I too often take about 70 minutes to make a split-second decision because I am a very thoughtful person, you see. Like you might think you can't trust senate democrats on gun control, well I don't either, which is why I took the lead in trusting them on gun control so you wouldn't have to.
Posted by: John Cornyn, Texan at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (dYe5S)
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (OzJjC)
Not one.
Posted by: Broken Apple
**
That's not true.
One was getting his hair cut that day.
It's worth noting that apparently the only reason he was able to stop the shooting is because his boss wasn't there.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (g7CEa)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (llsW/)
Posted by: GetchaPull at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (F4VNW)
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (o/rfX)
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Imagine one of those deadbeats issuing speeding tickets to any Uvalde citizen, to say nothing of a parent of a dead child. Infuriating.
Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (VJsqe)
___________
Not only did Arredondo, the cowardly and incompetent police chief, not resign, but he apparently got a lawyer to threaten Uvalde after they announced they weren't going to swear him into his seat on the city council the day after the murders. After they made that announcement, the city quickly retreated and swore him in.
The scumbag apparently has no shame. Anybody with a conscience would have resigned from both positions, and spared the traumatized locals the painful spectacle of having to see his bloated, cowardly face ever again.
But no, he won't do even that little for them. This POS will be kicking and screaming and lying and deflecting every step of the way as the city moves to have him legally removed from his positions. The local taxpayers will probably have to spend millions to get this incompetent, cowardly, bloated piece of garbage out of office.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (MvHI3)
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (o/rfX)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (VJFAr)
If the cops and the chief were convinced that they were not backed at all for any action and would be hung out to dry if they acted correctly and the perp they popped was the wrong place in the "stack", then yes, they had reason to be afraid of their superiors and the DA and random violence. They also had basis for quitting or going somewhere else.
Their chief sounds like a politically motivated coward. However they listened to both being told not to act, and to children dying and decided to obey
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (xhaym)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (MkYsY)
Good luck with that. It's a metal door frame with a metal door that opens outward. I've seen videos of cops with a handheld battering ram that took ages to get through a barricaded metal door that opens inward.
Try and kick through that and you're getting nowhere.
They had the tools though. They could have gone through the windows or used the Halligan they had to pry open the door.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (kDGvA)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (u82oZ)
Not one.
Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (+ozEO)
Bullshit.
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (qxetU)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (ESjRY)
No they won't. If Congress specified when and how you could sue a law enforcement officer, the court would be stuck. Congress actually controls suing the Feds.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (EpDzw)
Posted by: davidt at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (oTZbj)
Not one.
Posted by: Broken Apple
You're painting with a mighty wide brush there...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (bs+z0)
Or they could have just turned the knob and opened it, SINCE IT WAS NOT LOCKED
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (llsW/)
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (3NLNV)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (guGkK)
They had the tools though. They could have gone through the windows or used the Halligan they had to pry open the door.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (kDGvA)
The door wasn't locked.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (kDGvA)
Or maybe turn the doorknob since it was unlocked.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (EpDzw)
If we expect an 18 year old private on the other side of the world to show courage and decisiveness why are we expecting less from "well trained" johnny law in his home town?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Satans Retards at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (jCH++)
Who cares. There are kids in there getting shot.
It's not Goldeneye on PS3.
Kick that fucking door in and waste the gunman.
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (fwjwo)
The gun that had the ballistic shield on it sure looks like a shotgun. No reason to believe it isn't anything but a 12ga. I've never put a 12ga shotgun up against a door handle, but I've seen what it can do to range targets. That shotgun is your "door kicker".
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (N39Ws)
Mistakes were made. Additional training will be implemented.
Nothing to see here...
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (guGkK)
>>I don't believe any of that
>The culture
...
I don't think it was planned, but it's like the guy who fills his house with old newspaper and buckets of gasoline, and who is always drunk, and uses candles for lighting,...
It was not planned, but is was encouraged. Encouraged by corrupt police paid to LARP as SWAT and not required to actually train and inspect school security. Encouraged by a system that will not confront a sick kid before he kills people,...
And right now I think a lot of that encouragement was just an upgrade over the fast and furious plan. They wanted this.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (8T60T)
Fine. Then open it.
Either way.
You don't stand around bullshitting and waiting on Officer Godot.
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (fwjwo)
I've heard from multiple sources that an officer in the hallway called out to the victims, telling them to call back if they needed help. One kid did, and the shooter walked over and killed that kid.
Even if all the victims were shot by that point, they should have fucking moved their asses to see if they could save anyone from bleeding out.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (kDGvA)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (ptqGC)
Kinda puts a hole in the argument, "You don't need guns for self-defense. That's a job for the police."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (/U27+)
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (bs+z0)
Well, since non-law enforcement types apparently no longer have a say. Either they clean it up or they get the broad brush.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (EpDzw)
I wonder if the video will show cops picking the underwear out of their asses for seventy minutes.
Smoking and joking ... count on it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (pNxlR)
Posted by: Lambert Says
There hasn't been a man born big enough, that could stop me.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (OzJjC)
Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: The Heroes of Uvalde at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (guGkK)
*
The shooting wasn't over. If a man with a gun who had shot a bunch of people (kids in this case) is still freely existing and hanging out, the shooting hasn't ended.
Again, the cops said they didn't want to go in because they were scared that the cross dresser might shoot at them. Their lieutenant stated it plainly to the media in almost those exact words. It sucks that this confirms his statement.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (g7CEa)
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (fwjwo)
Not one.
Posted by: Broken Apple
I don't go this far.
Let's just say that the type of MAN our culture is producing PLUS the type of man that law enforcement is attracting these days will lead to more situations like this
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (mR6Gs)
I am aware.
I'm saying if the door was locked or even if they thought it was locked, they had a tool to get through the door. They had tools to get through the windows.
Even if the door had been locked, they have no good excuses.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (kDGvA)
Posted by: A group Men in Khakies, Blue Polos and Khaki Ball Caps at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (gmo/4)
Grandma was shot directly in her jaw, and will not likely speak again. I'm going to say she is also probably still in shock and maybe even still in hospital.
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (qxetU)
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (vrz2I)
For what? I let those parents know I'd bust some skulls if they tried to enter the school. -- Uvalde police officer
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (zhLdt)
Posted by: Armand clocking in on Discord at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (ESjRY)
Not one.
I trust you can say this with authority as you know the personal failings of each and every officer.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (Bd6X8)
_____________
There were kids inside the classroom repeatedly calling 911 and telling them that there were injured kids still inside the room, as the cops stood outside in the hall. The cops knew there were kids bleeding and dying in that room, and they still stood there and did nothing.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (MvHI3)
Smoking and joking ... count on it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (pNxlR)
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I remember seeing video on Fox of a couple of cops standing out on the street laughing about something. It was shown once and disappeared.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (ptqGC)
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The board-headedness that the left has with the "good guy with a gun" argument is a sight to see. It's like they don't understand implication.
But one of the issues is the way the drones "hear" the argument. If "a good guy with a gun" is any kind of "solution", then it is "perfect". So, when it fails to keep people from getting killed, it's not perfect, and so cannot be classified as a "solution".
Because of suicide, it is not the case that whenever a bad guy with a gun is stopped it takes a "good guy with a gun". But that's putting the extent of the killing in the bad guy with a gun's hands. And the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun before he kills all that he wants is a good guy with a gun, or an unarmed movie hero, who kills without a gun.
So, preferable to waiting for the BGWAG to stop killing, or hoping for the movie hero who you don't know even exists or is in the area, a GGWAG is the preferred, rational way to stop a BGWAG.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Beartooth at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (kCBQ3)
Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (jTmQV)
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Well if the shooting was over, why not go in?
Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (VJsqe)
Not one.
=========
I mean...I knew Wyatt Earp had his proclivities, but jeez...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LvTSG)
The Uvalde PD put out a public statement soon after the shooting saying they were very grateful none of their people were shot.
*spits*
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (kDGvA)
Posted by: The Heroes of Uvalde at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (guGkK)
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)
A whopping 57 percent of respondents said they do not approve of Biden’s job performance. In addition to this, the President’s net approval ratings are now negative in 48 states, which is up from 47 states last month with the exception of Hawaii and Vermont. Biden now has a national net approval rating of -25 and most respondents are concerned about his poor handling of the economy.
Maybe the Uvalde cops can establish a perimeter around FJBs poll numbers.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:56 PM (Pc/Ee)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:56 PM (VJFAr)
Posted by: 40 Miles North at June 21, 2022 04:56 PM (uWF4x)
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)
If there's no frontier justice in TEXAS, there is no frontier justice
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:56 PM (mR6Gs)
According to sources, the Mosse out front should have told them.
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (fwjwo)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (llsW/)
Go on....
Posted by: Brian Stetler at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (N39Ws)
The problem is that being a policeman used to be a vocation, a calling---almost like the priesthood.
The culture that created those men is gone, too. Now a tough guy is a boy with a beard who is great at video games and only cries sometimes when he talks to his girlfriend.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (llsW/)
The war on masculinity has taken on casualties
Posted by: 7man at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (qwO6y)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (Pc/Ee)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (eh1Wg)
Posted by: Border Gun Black Market at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (lRlNr)
I guess my main point is that they might not have realized that the children had been shot.
It's even stupid to ask them to respond, I'm sure they'd have been terrified to make a sound under the circumstances.
I am not trying to defend the cops so much as keep at bay my horror that they might really have been this cowardly.
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (qxetU)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:56 PM (Pc/Ee)
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I wonder what their poll numbers are like...How bad do you have to be to poll worse than FJB?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (YIVH2)
Heritage America: Adapt, improvise, overcome
Soviet America: If we confront the tranny killer we could get shot!
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)
Honestly, it would be a horrible thing if justice was served. I would feel awful. Really awful.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (EpDzw)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (VJFAr)
Maybe the Uvalde cops and Capitol Hill cops could get together and compare notes on rapid and effective protective measures ... of their pensions and retirement benefits.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (pNxlR)
"Yes, hi, I'd like to report a large group of armed men who are an imminent danger to the community. They call themselves 'the police.'"
Posted by: Fled Rag at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (1dzqn)
How many man-hours of training to police need to be able to open unlocked doors?
"I had the door-opening training, but my supervisor was on vacation last month, so no sign-off on my qual. I therefore wasn't qualified to open that door."
---Some fucking Uvalde cop, explaining to St. Peter in about 40 years, after a nice, safe life.
Posted by: Sharkman at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (cE4C5)
If your incompetence results in a totally bullshit and unconstitutional red flag law, I've got a red flag for you.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (anj39)
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (fwjwo)
In fact, I'd petition for a damn refund.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (BFigT)
*
The children inside the classroom were literally calling them and saying things like "we've been shot and some children are lying here dying, please help us, please, we're shot and dying"
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (g7CEa)
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Well if the shooting was over, why not go in?
Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (VJsqe)
Which explains perfectly how the one kid was shot and killed by the cross dresser when one of the officers who "nutted up" and went in called out to them.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (VJsqe)
“Right now, we don’t see a recession. We are not in a recession right now.
Right now, we’re in a transition where we will go into a place of stable and steady growth, and that’s going to be our focus.”
Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (LTLE1)
With respect, move past your horror. These cops were cowardly, too afraid to get shot or get in trouble for disobeying an order.
Fuck them all.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (kzAOr)
Posted by: Thatch at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (qWceQ)
I'm honestly shocked over how often this is not the case. Plenty of people who deserve it die of old age in their beds.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (kDGvA)
Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2022 05:00 PM (FXYsU)
Posted by: Border Gun Black Market at June 21, 2022 05:00 PM (lRlNr)
Posted by: The Uvalde Cops while waiting for the tranny killer to finish at June 21, 2022 05:00 PM (ESjRY)
The minute I heard this key bulllshit I said it was an acknowledgement that they knew they royally fucked up and were frantically trying to cover their asses.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at June 21, 2022 05:00 PM (uvCel)
That's the point. You can always go out, like to escape a fire, not in. But it also means if you are in, you can't lock it to keep out people.
Posted by: goodluckduck at June 21, 2022 05:00 PM (pCXlW)
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (vrz2I)
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (OzJjC)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (Pc/Ee)
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Mopping up their piss and cowering.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (EpDzw)
Is it mandatory? No? Well...into the delete file it goes.
Posted by: Thrawn at June 21, 2022 05:02 PM (Rl7KJ)
Posted by: Acme Door Locks at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (lRlNr)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (guGkK)
Is it mandatory? No? Well...into the delete file it goes.
Posted by: Thrawn at June 21, 2022 05:02 PM (Rl7KJ)
I once had to do voluntary online training for work. If I didn't do the voluntary training punishment could include being fired.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)
No problem here.
Neighbor has five acres and a back hoe.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (anj39)
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (geLO8)
the citizens are certainly not getting what they paid for
Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (geLO
What I hope happens - and it could if the locals get organized and demand it - is the the Uvalde PD department should be completely abolished, everyone fired. Then, the County Sherriff's office should take over patrolling duties for the city of Uvalde and expand their manpower to do so. Uvalde is small enough that this is feasible. Anyone from the City PD who had no part in this can be rehired by the expanded Sherriff's Dep't.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (trdmm)
I understand completely. I've had to step away from the computer many times because I was so angry and sick over this one. I've tried my best to see it from the point of view of the responding officers, and I keep running into insurmountable obstacles. I see zero ways in which this was some comedy of errors. I only see stunning stupidity, unthinking obeisance to command, cowardice, and most of all, inhuman indifference to CHILDREN'S SUFFERING.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (kDGvA)
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)
I've said over and over - and will say again here - that I don't condone vigilante justice, but I understand how it becomes the only acceptable outcome.
I will now add a new corollary: I will never (never) vote to convict an individual for executing legitimate frontier justice.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (fI5MT)
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM
As long as we don't get any frontier psychiatrist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE
Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (bVYXr)
My theory is you should read more and theorize less. Every account admits some shots were fired while cops were waiting in the hall. Accounts vary from 3 upwards, but none, not even Arredondo's self-service Texas Tribune account, tries to pretend Arrendondo wasn't listening to shots during the waiting.
Posted by: Match Checksout at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (dYe5S)
Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (Vr12I)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (VJFAr)
Neighbor has five acres and a back hoe.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (anj39)
Don't forget the bags of lime...
Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (3NLNV)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (Pc/Ee)
Strange how that worked out.
Posted by: banana Dream at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (0fVbu)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM
This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Sven Forkbeard at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (guGkK)
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (EpDzw)
Same to her. Women have committed suicide to avoid being defiled before. Unlike his position where he is physically restrained(bravery isn't magic), could bite off her own tongue.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (b2nrj)
Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (Vr12I)
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (bs+z0)
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Am I though?
100% of the police there.... Inside and outside....
FAILED.
It isn't just Uvalde... If they were about their sh.t.... theyd be deployed.
They PRETEND to be warriors.
Fact.
Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (+ozEO)
“Right now, we don’t see a recession. We are not in a recession right now.
Right now, we’re in a transition where we will go into a place of stable and steady growth, and that’s going to be our focus.”
___________
If we believe it, it will come! We'll all stand in a circle and hold hands and chant "Growth will come! Growth will come! Growth will come!" while our shaman weaves around and through our group with his lighted incense stick.
Growth will come, because we need it to come and we believe that it will come and the woke secular gods promised us that it would come if we would just sacrifice enough babies to them, and we did, so it's guaran-damn-teed to come!
Posted by: Biden's white house brain trust at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (MvHI3)
the citizens are certainly not getting what they paid for
**
FWIW, this is the goal of the left and of Democrats.
Federal control of local police forces is the end goal.
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (g7CEa)
Posted by: Lambert
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The problem is that too many of the public have seen how assertive the police can be when someone is not wearing a mask, or when they are video recording on the street, or when they are sleeping at home and the police have the wrong address on the warrant.
They are brutal at all the wrong times, and cowards when kids are dying.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (8T60T)
Posted by: Chief, Uvalde PD at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (/U27+)
Is it mandatory? No? Well...into the delete file it goes.
Posted by: Thrawn at June 21, 2022 05:02 PM
At the University where I don't teach anymore, about a third of the faculty have yet to announce their pronouns and post on their email.signature block. Heh heh
Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (anj39)
No one wants to be "that guy" that arrests some tranny dreamer freak when he was "just turning his life around".
In Heritage America the freak would have never gotten a gun without any red flag laws...
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (ESjRY)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (Pc/Ee)
Please, take these “officers”, especially this yahoo Arredondo, and provide for all of us a historical reenactment of Texas Justice back in the day, old school Ranger style.
Ps. I am Native American (Indigenous for those lurking from the left), .enough for it to actually matter, and I do know the role of the Ranger. So hop to it, cowboys.
Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (FXYsU)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (trdmm)
Strange how that worked out.
Posted by: banana Dream at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (0fVbu)
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That's what I'm saying.
Just too much is messed up about this.
Unless pensioneering is all that goes on in "law enforcement" anymore.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (krQz2)
It's the kind of degree a Trust Fund baby who sticks "IV" onto his name gets so he can use it and his huge wad of inherited monay to lord over everyone around him for the rest of his life.
The National Topsider hasn't been the same since he left.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (44ww/)
There is where Abbott should be driving this.
But the guy has less 'nads then Kristi Noem.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (ESjRY)
If their radios didn't work, how would they have known?
I am terribly afraid that it's all true, that they knew and still held back, but I'd like to hold onto my scant hope that they did not know the children had been shot.
It's too horrific to accept the alternative, although I am almost there.
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:08 PM (qxetU)
TBF that should be crazy. That the cops would stand outside the door listening to kids getting executed for an hour, even though they had perp out gunned and a shield.
They were there as the CLEAN UP crew.
Posted by: we are living in an appallingly dirty joke - but no mean tweets at June 21, 2022 05:08 PM (RQZcD)
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:08 PM (krQz2)
disband the Uvalde PD. They are literally useless.
The people still have the country sheriff's department.
Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 05:08 PM (geLO8)
They'll hang their hat on the technicality that it's not a recession until it's declared a recession. That declaration only happens months after the fact.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (kDGvA)
Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (us2H3)
I am terribly afraid that it's all true, that they knew and still held back, but I'd like to hold onto my scant hope that they did not know the children had been shot.
The cops weren't worried about those kids' lives. They were worried about their own. They literally confirmed it.
That is the bare truth.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (ESjRY)
Ham and eggers, just need more money.
Posted by: MJ at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (zwDuR)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: olddog in mo at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (ju2Fy)
Your theory does not comport with the known facts. One of the children made a 911 call asking for help well after 3 minutes into the shooting.
Posted by: Ted Torgerson at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (vN+oL)
“Right now, we don’t see a recession. We are not in a recession right now.
Posted by: SMOD
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just as honest and likely accurate as their prediction that our Afghan 'allies' would be able to stay in power once we left
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (OuH7W)
They'll hang their hat on the technicality that it's not a recession until it's declared a recession. That declaration only happens months after the fact.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (kDGvA)
_________
It's not a recession until WE say it's a recession!
Posted by: Senator John Blutarsky at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (/U27+)
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)
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Well, that would be more justice than there has been so far.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (Vr12I)
council feels "intimidated" by their presence.
pretty certain i'd be incarcerated by now how my kid died in that school as i would be leqv___ a metric fuck ton of cowards dead at my feet for this bs.
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (UgAdJ)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2022 05:11 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: REDACTED at
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this is what legacy Americans would describe as the rule of "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"
eventually, you can't do nothing without going room temp
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:11 PM (OuH7W)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 05:11 PM (VJFAr)
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (EpDzw)
Not to be trivial but one of the comments I remembered by Vin Scully was how he described Dodgers pitcher Jerry Ruess being carried from the mound on his shield after getting shellaced in the first inning.
Posted by: Beartooth at June 21, 2022 05:11 PM (kCBQ3)
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (K58O6)
Posted by: Uvalde police at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (wdoTP)
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (kDGvA)
that's a good way to lose your hat
with your head in it
Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)
*****
I'm sorry, but there won't be. That video showed one cop kicking everyone out because the council felt "intimidated". You know who wasn't intimidated? The cop. He felt perfectly comfortable kicking everyone else out, including parents of those school kids.
Why? Because he knew there wouldn't be frontier justice. And there wasn't.
Posted by: Ed at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (Ae67h)
Posted by: SMOD
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just as honest and likely accurate as their prediction that our Afghan 'allies' would be able to stay in power once we left
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (OuH7W)
***
And men can become pregnant.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (anj39)
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: kraken
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reminder that with Bernie Go--tz and the Central Park wilding rapists and Rittenhouse etc etc, the leftists will go after you or go after the verdict forever and ever.
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (OuH7W)
Again, I have to assume the children were not calling each officer individually, but rather 911.
911 sends out their information to officers on scene via radios, which we have been told did not work inside the school.
Which doesn't excuse those outside, of course.
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:13 PM (qxetU)
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:11 PM (OuH7W)
Oh, I dunno
I'm 70 and I'm still cold blooded
Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:13 PM (us2H3)
But I've seen zero evidence that suggests that a single person the Uvalde police force is a hero, a public servant or even a decent human being.
I still stand by my gut reaction when all of this started to come out - jail time needs to be served by a large chunk of their force. The blaming and excuses are all rendered hollow by the fact that an off-duty BP agent with a borrowed gun came in and did the job that these pussies refused to do.
Posted by: Citizen Freeman at June 21, 2022 05:13 PM (FPuSC)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (llsW/)
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (K58O6)
Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (UgAdJ)
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No way. These guys will fail upward. The system rewards caution and a feminine disposition.
Posted by: MJ at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (zwDuR)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (Xrfse)
Why? Because he knew there wouldn't be frontier justice. And there wasn't.
Posted by: Ed at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (Ae67h)
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Every parent there should of bung outside the door and waited for that muthafh*ka to leave the meeting.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (anj39)
The shooting was ended by a couple of cops and a book store employee going up the tower and confronting the shooter personally. Since they outnumbered him 3 to 1 they had the advantage and killed him.
The Uvalde cops had better equipment and eventually outnumbered the tranny spree killer by more then a dozen to one and still wouldn't go in.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (ESjRY)
but no one goes to jail for doing nothing
Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (us2H3)
Don't pay your taxes...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (KjFHZ)
Posted by: alexthechick
That's a terrible thing to say!
Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (D6lWx)
If their radios didn't work, how would they have known?
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They knew because cops who were outside the school, and whose radios were working, heard about the 911 calls from the kids inside with the shooter, and they told the cops inside -- and still they did nothing.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (MvHI3)
Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (Vr12I)
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This will eventually lead to local Creole Team 6 groups a la the Cajun Navy during Katrina IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (oK3pW)
Thinking this was not ineptitude but n op, just like all of the Biden junta incompetence.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (WKPeU)
911 communicates information to cops in the field by radio, which were not working. (At least not inside the school.)
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (qxetU)
I mean, what other conclusion can you draw? They faced choices, and picked which life they thought was more important.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (llsW/)
Posted by: olddog in mo at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (ju2Fy)
One other question that hasn't been answered yet. There was a SRO assigned to the school who wasn't there. He was on the road going towards the school. Coming from where? his boyfriend's place? Donut shop? Secret napping place?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (krQz2)
This.
You're your own first responder. Always have been. No one is coming to save you.
Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (+ozEO)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (sWM8x)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE
Where else other than AOS would someone mention "frontier psychiatrist"? It's just one of the many reasons I come here .
Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (cCxiu)
******
Yeah, they should have.
But they didn't.
Shame on us.
Posted by: Ed at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (Ae67h)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (ayPF8)
911 communicates information to cops in the field by radio, which were not working. (At least not inside the school.)
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (qxetU)
Still doesn't stop 1 or 2 officers from saying "Fuck it. Lets get it done".
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (N39Ws)
You have these two statements - one from the TxDPS chief, and yours - and they are NOT the same:
"Note that they've been pushing this claim that the door was locked, and they had to wait to have the keys brought to them, for two months now.
Only now is it revealed: Nope, not locked. They just never bothered checking it."
...is not the same as ...
"According to state police, the gunman entered the school through an exterior door propped open by a teacher, but McGraw stated that the door had been closed & could only be locked from the outside.
"There's no way for her to know the door is locked," McGraw said."
The door referenced in testimony is the EXTERIOR door through which he entered the school, NOT the classroom door.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:17 PM (+Lvag)
Any news on the federal reconnaissance plane circling around the AO at the time?
And, yes, there was one.
So, I agree.
An op.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 21, 2022 05:17 PM (jTmQV)
Posted by: Erik In Texas at June 21, 2022 05:17 PM (2Jd8G)
Posted by: Citizen Freeman at June 21, 2022 05:17 PM (FPuSC)
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Again, this is a big part of the problem. No one thought to pick up a fucking phone? Every one of these fat POS had a phone in their pocket but couldn't make a decision to use it.
Posted by: MJ at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (zwDuR)
Why? Because he knew there wouldn't be frontier justice. And there wasn't.
Posted by: Ed at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (Ae67h)
one of the mind-boggling things about Mexicans is how subservient they tend to be in the face of oppression. I guess it's a habit picked up from centuries of being oppressed by everybody. And Uvalde is about as Mexican a town as you can find in Texas these days.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: Anna Puma
15 seconds and there wouldn't be a democrat left.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (OzJjC)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (Pc/Ee)
You're breaking my heart.
I have been trying so hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (qxetU)
The shooting was ended by a couple of cops and a book store employee going up the tower and confronting the shooter personally. Since they outnumbered him 3 to 1 they had the advantage and killed him.
Know who else engaged the shooter? A bunch of students who pulled rifles out of their vehicles.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (kDGvA)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (m0zqP)
Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (LTLE1)
Posted by: dartist at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (+ya+t)
Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (CLrvk)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (ESjRY)
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It's almost as if the intentional societal & cultural emasculation of men has led to a mass formation of male cowardice ... or something.
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (oK3pW)
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 21, 2022 05:19 PM (sWM8x)
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2022 05:19 PM (wU5bP)
I'd say the Roe decision is baked
Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:19 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: jewells45 at June 21, 2022 05:19 PM (nxdel)
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (kDGvA)
And a Mexican janitor or something like that
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (mR6Gs)
I imagine they are laying pretty low. With armed protection, of course.
Posted by: davidt at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (oTZbj)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm
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Nope, I dont buy that for a minute. It looks like most cops were Hispanic anyway. They were scared and in the wrong profession if they cant do their job.
Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (CLrvk)
*****
There were Anglos in that group of parents in the video as well.
Posted by: Ed at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (Ae67h)
Might also explain the inaction of the cops.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (kDGvA)
Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (LTLE1)
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I wish her dad would take her hunting.
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (oK3pW)
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (vrz2I)
And in trying, it is quite possible they would have distracted the shooter (a good thing) thus minimizing rounds going into little kids.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:21 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (Y5qcH)
If it's a standard anti-active-shooter door (which they've been putting on classrooms for the last 20 years) then the battering ram won't do a lot. Neither will breaching rounds. Those doors are specifically designed to stop people with guns from getting inside the classroom.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:21 PM (+Lvag)
Back the blue, they just want to make it home safe each night.
Your kids? What do they care.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 21, 2022 05:21 PM (3cBEw)
Posted by: Anna Puma
Every adult in Uvalde would have traded places with one of those kids. Every one except the police.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (Pc/Ee)
Back when America was so serious, even BOOK STORE employees that the nads....
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (mR6Gs)
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (oHd/0)
It's not that broad. The ruling was that there is no Constitutional duty to protect. But the duties of the police are spelled out in the charters of the city or the municipality under which they operate. If their charter assigns them to be a protective force, such an assignment would not be repugnant to the Constitution, and they would be liable under their failure to perform an assigned duty.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (K58O6)
Posted by: Anna Puma
15 seconds and there wouldn't be a democrat left.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (OzJjC)
You spent the other 14 seconds cloning the hottest women on the planet didn't you?
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (b2nrj)
"No."
"You're tags are expired."
"Is this gonna take 70 minutes, you chicken shit?"
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (eh1Wg)
Nope, I dont buy that for a minute. It looks like most cops were Hispanic anyway. They were scared and in the wrong profession if they cant do their job.
Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (CLrvk)
Wonder what the chances are that being on the Uvalde School System Police Dept was nothing but a patronage job? Not unlike the US Capitol Police.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (ayPF8)
But what has been driven into my thick skull with great force over the past decade or so is that they are just like any other group of humans you could name.
Some are great folks, salt of the earth types who will invariably do the right thing, no matter the circumstances. The others are horribly broken with no sense of morality, fair play, or decency.
It used to be easier to ID them.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (pTyJa)
Might also explain the inaction of the cops.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (kDGvA)
At one time I would have said it explained the corruption as well, but now I believe that cops of all races, creeds, and colors are very well versed in the corruption game.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: BPT at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (U5MHY)
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (0ocXn)
class, can any of you say what happens when you put price caps on a commodity?
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (OuH7W)
Sorry, Ace, but you don't know anything about the tactics of entering a hostile room.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (+Lvag)
Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (2JoB8)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (Pc/Ee)
I am a person of less grandiose desires, I just want all those cowards in uniform to experience what they let happen to children.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (ayPF8)
dozens have been shot while the cops were sitting in their cruisers
cops are notoriously slow learners but eventualy they get the message
Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: GWB
Let him expend his ammo on the innocents first. Breach the door while he is reloading.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (Pc/Ee)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (N39Ws)
A job where all you do is sit on your ass and yell at kids for part of the day, when you're not hanging out at your house or pretending you "gotta be somewhere"? Yeah, what are the chances??
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (trdmm)
We must know and be related to very different types of Mexican, none of whom should be held up as an example of them all ffs.
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (qxetU)
HR says we need twenty to one. And the guy had TWO AR's, so make that forty to one.
Posted by: The Steadfast Heros of Uvalde at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (D6lWx)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (N39Ws)
Virtually every municipality in the country knows that about 'city jobs'.
Posted by: davidt at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (oTZbj)
https://tinyurl.com/2uxvwhhz
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (LMqi6)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (ayPF8)
Except when I want to make sure that I go home no matter what.
Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (+ozEO)
Posted by: Picric at June 21, 2022 05:26 PM (13tTk)
Walker Texas Ranger would done that, jumped out and shot the gun out the punk's hands, and then proceed to beat him to a pulp but nobody would seem to care.
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (vrz2I)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (Pc/Ee)
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (qxetU)
maybe so. as I think of it, it's probably true of most of the 3rd world that those societies have wolves, and sheep, and very little in between.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (trdmm)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (BFigT)
Posted by: GWB
If your tactics don't include entering the room before the 4th graders all bleed out, then there's not much use to them, is it?
Posted by: Match Checksout at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (dYe5S)
If it's a standard anti-active-shooter door (which they've been putting on classrooms for the last 20 years) then the battering ram won't do a lot. Neither will breaching rounds. Those doors are specifically designed to stop people with guns from getting inside the classroom.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:21 PM (+Lvag)
TESAR-4 (yellow color-coded cap) has a 750-grain copper/S-70 steel frangible slug and a velocity of 1,285 fps. It is designed for Class 3 heavy steel doors and defeats Class 3 doors, locks, and hinges.
TESAR-5 (blue color-coded cap) has a 500-grain copper frangible slug and a velocity of 1,450 fps. It is designed for metal doors, locks, and hinges and defeats heavy locks, cross-bolts, and hinges (steel doors/steel frames).
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: Picric
Yep - and what states/cities/municipalities/stores I will no longer visit or patronize.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (pTyJa)
They're saving them exclusively for deployment against "insurrectionists" and deplorables.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (Xrfse)
https://tinyurl.com/2uxvwhhz
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (LMqi6)
CHYna is probably more interested in reclaiming Taiwan. The problem is how much help Justin Castreau and our own left coast would offer them.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (llON8)
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (Pc/Ee)
Well we haven't heard "All Firemen are Bastards"
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (N39Ws)
It's equally possible that they feel absolutely nothing, no guilt, no shame, no sense of responsibility whatsoever.
There are those types of people, you know.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (jTmQV)
AND YET ONE GUY RUSHED IN AND KILLED THE KID
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (OuH7W)
Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:19 PM (us2H3)
What does ''is baked" mean? Overturned or not?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (FZ2cV)
making people believe that you are doing something while you do nothing is a marketable talent
Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2022 05:30 PM (ayPF8)
Posted by: Match Checksout at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (dYe5S)
You were probably unaware.
The guns, the drones, the body armor, the assault vehicles, the helmets, batons, motorcycles, the helicopters.
Those toys are for protecting cops, not citizens.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 05:30 PM (eh1Wg)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:30 PM (N39Ws)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (FZ2cV)
yes
Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:30 PM (us2H3)
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:30 PM (qxetU)
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (OuH7W)
He was unfamiliar with the tactics of entering a hostile room.
Or he just wasn't a chicken shit.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (eh1Wg)
Posted by: GWB
==
Thank God that the border patrol did what Ace is suggesting.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (WKPeU)
https://tinyurl.com/2uxvwhhz
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (LMqi6)
CHYna is probably more interested in reclaiming Taiwan. The problem is how much help Justin Castreau and our own left coast would offer them.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (llON
Them superseding us as world superpower means a war with us eventually. It's mostly a matter of when, unless we collapse on our own first.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (b2nrj)
Sorry, Ace, but you don't know anything about the tactics of entering a hostile room.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (+Lvag)
And the "sit on your ass" tactic allowed a bunch of children to die, some of them bleeding out when they could have been saved.
Posted by: Moki at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (JrN/x)
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (N39Ws)
Somebody pointed out to me that being in a line of work where you lead people into incredibly dangerous situations requires that the people following you, and the people next to you, and the people leading you, have your back and your full support. If you don't have that then no one follows and no one leads.
I am going to guess the Uvalde PD is a snake pit, which is a leadership issue from the top and the culture all the way down to the receptionist.
The fact that the first thing the chief did was get a lawyer to threaten the city council makes me guess the whole office was run that way.
Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (xhaym)
Or is there an embargo on info about a hero.
Posted by: davidt at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (oTZbj)
________
No doubt some of them were thinking that, but the biggest problem here seems to have been the so-called chief Arredondo, who clearly had political ambitions (he'd already run for and won a seat on the Uvalde city council), and seems to have been doing as little as possible himself, while ordering the other cops to also do nothing.
Is Arredondo just a massive coward, a blithering incompetent, a politically-correct asshole who was fearful of shooting at anyone, lest he accidentally hit the wrong person and spoil his budding political career? Or is he some rotten combination of all three? I suppose we'll find out eventually, but I'm not sure anybody is going to care. Arredondo was clearly ludicrously unfit for the role he had taken on, and innocent kids are now dead because of it, and nothing is ever going to change that.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (MvHI3)
Posted by: Y5 at June 21, 2022 05:32 PM (p+LvP)
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2022 05:32 PM (wU5bP)
Bs
Posted by: Y5 at June 21, 2022 05:32 PM (p+LvP)
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 21, 2022 05:32 PM (VdGjU)
Utter fucking ridiculous bullshit.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 21, 2022 05:34 PM (sWM8x)
All of you excuse makers seem to be forgetting about what was going on outside the whole time with parents willing to rush the school but instead they made sure to arrest those people.
I don't give a damn how they feeeeeel because this ended up being their fault. If any off themselves then I won't shed a tear. Had they engaged and not ran off pissing themselves and wanting permission, or concocting some other stupid, cowardly excuse, then the number of little blown apart bodies could have been far less or closer to zero.
Maybe it was a lie that they engaged the perp at all, but as I recall, that's one part of the story here that they *were* shot at and exchanged fire early on - but instead of continuing to engage like they should have, they instead ran away with their cunts between their legs.
So now an entire classroom of kids are dead because these pussies disengaged, then stood around waiting for a real man to show up. Suicide would be too good for Uvalde PD, really
Posted by: Citizen Freeman at June 21, 2022 05:37 PM (FPuSC)
Posted by: exodus 21:22-25 at June 21, 2022 05:38 PM (E7uAR)
Posted by: Fox2! at June 21, 2022 05:39 PM (0Ua/E)
OK. And did the cops there have ANY of those? Do the cops in YOUR neighborhood have them?
This is one of my complaints about the fortress mentality of "hardening" schools - when you build things to keep people out, you also, often, lock yourself IN.
(And, yes, this school room apparently had windows - ones which opened - and they could have used that, as well.)
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:39 PM (+Lvag)
why can't *every* day be world naked hiking day?
Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 21, 2022 05:39 PM (v3pYe)
Posted by: Regular joe at June 21, 2022 05:40 PM (nnp+f)
"In case of fire" signs are in every school I've worked in or on. They all have the basic print of each room and door in that zone.
Posted by: Fool Otto at June 21, 2022 05:41 PM (DB16e)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (WKPeU)
An hour later. And they had an appropriate stack to enter the room. And, they presumably had the key to the room.
(Note my point to Ace above that the testimony he quoted does NOT say the ROOM was unlocked.)
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:41 PM (+Lvag)
Utter fucking ridiculous bullshit.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 21, 2022 05:34 PM (sWM8x)
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"All that matters is that hiring quotas based on skin color and gender were met, h8r!"
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 21, 2022 05:42 PM (oK3pW)
I don’t understand this comment. Are we supposed to believe something inherent to the school shielded or jammed their radios. If so I’d like to see the source for such a claim.
Posted by: Squid at June 21, 2022 05:42 PM (NFN9G)
Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2022 05:43 PM (wU5bP)
Posted by: Moki at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (JrN/x)
Loads of emoting here. Not much rational thought. If you don't do the tactics correctly you end up with dead and injured cops BLOCKING the doorway for anyone else to enter and resolve the situation.
Look, I'm not absolving the cops here. But there is an awful lot of emoting and such, some of it due to an ERROR Ace makes in his editorializing with the reporting.
And it makes folks look dumb in the eyes of people who want to find a solution that isn't just as potentially bad.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:45 PM (+Lvag)
https://www.ucisd.net/Page/2120
4 officers and a chief who wears 4 star general insignia.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:48 PM (Pc/Ee)
Posted by: Squid at June 21, 2022 05:42 PM (NFN9G)
If their radios were too cheap or on the wrong sort of band* then it's entirely possible. BP's radios are acquired so they can be used over loooooong distances, and are likely over-powered for close-in work.
(* Think 5GHz wi-fi. It has all this extra bandwidth and such, but it sucks worse than 2.4GHz at getting through walls and cutting through radio interference. I only have about 35 feet for the signal to go, and I have to switch back to 2.4GHz when at the other end of my house from the wi-fi antenna or I can get almost zero signal. Wrong frequencies, and all those concrete blocks and metal framing and steel fire doors could swamp your radio.)
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:50 PM (+Lvag)
https://www.ucisd.net/Page/2120
4 officers and a chief who wears 4 star general insignia.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:48 PM (Pc/Ee)
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They like to pretend they're not civilians because Webster changed the definition to exclude them, due to their improper colloquial use of the term....even though International Treaty to which the US is a signatory and US Title 10 make clear that even reserve military are civilians... ONLY active duty military are NOT civilians.
F....g posers deserve dogsh.t.
Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 05:57 PM (+ozEO)
Posted by: Armchair Lawyer at June 21, 2022 06:59 PM (KfAcr)
Yes, you are. Because everything after "but" is just bullshit.
Posted by: Here We Go Again at June 21, 2022 07:59 PM (pengW)
Posted by: Steve O at June 21, 2022 08:06 PM (XaNqP)
Posted by: Penultimatum at June 21, 2022 08:28 PM (dA2bw)
Words just fail me when shit like this happens but you need to remember, police are just forensic investigators there to figure out what happened.
Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at June 21, 2022 09:58 PM (qZdIZ)
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