Police Response to Uvalde Shooter Was Even Worse Than Thought: Cops Had All the Guns and Bullet Proof Shields They Needed, Could Have Killed Shooter in "Three Minutes;"
Didn't Even Try Opening the Door, WHICH WAS UNLOCKED THE WHOLE TIME

When danger is moments away, the cops are sitting outside waiting for "additional resources" and for keys they don't need for 70 minutes.

They say the bulletproof shields came within 19 minutes of the killer's entry into the school, but the Texas police commander says, in the video below the fold, that the killer could have been taken out "in three minutes." He means three minutes after the killer entered the building. In other words: You don't have to wait for bulletproof shields when children are bleeding out and there's a single shooter and you have a lot of men and weapons and you're also wearing body armor. Go in and take him down.

But they had to wait for those keys. For that locked door.

Which... wasn't locked.

Ooops! Guess someone should have checked that lock. (It apparently only locks from the outside, which is something that can probably be determined by visual inspection, identifying the type of lock it is.)


Note that they've been pushing this claim that the door was locked, and they had to wait to have the keys brought to them, for two months now.

Only now is it revealed: Nope, not locked. They just never bothered checking it.


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BREAKING: Law enforcement confirms no one tried to open Uvalde classroom door, which they now know was never locked


Col. Steve McCraw (@TxDPS), the chief of the Texas Department of Public Safety, described the police response to last month's massacre at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school as a "absurd failure," detailing how officers quickly entered the school and obtained protective shields...

...but still left defenseless children trapped inside with the gunman for more than an hour.

McCraw testified about the police response to the tragedy at a state Senate hearing.

Delays in responding by law enforcement have become the focus of federal, state, and local investigations.

"Obviously, not enough training was done in this situation, plain and simple. Because terrible decisions were made by the on-site commander," McCraw said of Pete Arredondo, the Uvalde school district police chief.

Eight minutes after the shooter entered the building, an officer reported that police had a "hooligan" crowbar that could be used to break down the classroom door, according to McCraw.

According to the witness, police brought the first ballistic shield into the building 19 minutes after the gunman entered.

Arredondo, according to McCraw, chose the lives of officers over the lives of children.

The public safety chief described to the committee a number of missed opportunities, communication breakdowns, and other errors, including:

-Arredondo was not carrying a radio.

-Only Border Patrol agents' radios worked inside the school; police and sheriff's radios did not.

-To coordinate their response, the police used incorrect diagrams of the school.

According to state police, the gunman entered the school through an exterior door propped open by a teacher, but McGraw stated that the door had been closed & could only be locked from the outside.

"There's no way for her to know the door is locked," McGraw said.

"He walked straight through."

Authorities have given contradictory and incorrect accounts of what occurred in the days and weeks following the shooting, sometimes withdrawing statements hours later.

But McCraw assured lawmakers: "Everything I've testified today is corroborated."

Tony Plohetski
@tplohetski

BREAKING: In the strongest terms possible, the head of the Texas state police has just condemned the law enforcement response in Uvalde, calling it an "abject failure and antithetical to everything we have learned over the past two decades."


Texas DPS Director Steve McCraw says teachers -- not law enforcement -- should be praised for their actions one month ago today. He said police had enough firepower and protection to act far faster than they did. Teachers worked quickly to lock the school down and save lives.

According to McCraw, the gunman was "moving toward a pathway to violence" in the months leading up to shooting and in some ways had "taken on the demeanor of a school shooter." He urged Texans to alert law enforcement of these types of suspicious activity.


DPS Director McCraw indicates that he believes video evidence in the case will ultimately be released. He said his agency has been asked by the Uvalde DA not to release information for now, pending conclusion of the investigation.


I wonder if the video will show cops picking the underwear out of their asses for seventy minutes.

They had at least one ballistic shield from the first moments of the siege:

The police chief who oversaw this grisly debacle is now a Uvalde city councilman.


Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police Chief Peter Arredondo, who is under intense scrutiny for being the one who reportedly coordinated the response to the Robb Elementary School shooting, has been sworn in as a city councilman, the Washington Examiner reported Tuesday night.

Arrendondo was elected by the voters of Uvalde, Texas, prior to the shooting, and other members of the council were also sworn in.

As RedState reported earlier, the Texas Department of Public Safety said earlier Tuesday that Arrendondo, in particular, and the city's police officials were no longer cooperating with state investigators. He made the decision to not confront the gunman, who killed 19 students and two teachers, right away and instead waited for backup. And according to the DPS, Arredondo believed the shooter had barricaded himself inside the school and that it was not an active shooter situation, NBC News reported.

YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENED NEXT...

Are. You. Kidding. Me.

Well I guess he finally learned how to clear a room of hostiles, huh?

Posted by: Ace at 04:26 PM




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1 I keep waiting to hear something redeeming about these cops . . .

Posted by: Catherine at June 21, 2022 04:26 PM (ZSsrh)

2 Nooded.

Posted by: Catherine at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (ZSsrh)

3 Uh oh, Big Gray Box is at it again.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (KAi1n)

4 For this, we must give up our guns.

Also hire more bureaucrats.

It's the only way to be safe.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (LvTSG)

5 I guess Homeland Security or the Dept. of Justice will be sending out people to protect the police. After all they helped facilitate the big push for gun control.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (FZ2cV)

6 If one them had courage and took initiative he'd be a hero. He'd probably have been fired, but still.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (VdGjU)

7 Journalists and parents are kicked out of the Uvalde City Council meeting because the council feels "intimidated" by their presence.

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Sic the FBI on them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:29 PM (LvTSG)

8 "In the strongest terms possible, the head of the Texas state police has just condemned the law enforcement response in Uvalde"

That's actually untrue. The "strongest terms possible" would be doing to Uvalde's law enforcement what the killer did to those kids.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2022 04:29 PM (KAi1n)

9 This never made any sense from the start. Fire departments know how to open doors.

Are they saying that if there was a fire it would take them over an hour to get in? And the Chief was always squishy in explaining how he tried to get in - his story never made sense.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (8T60T)

10 The cops in question should live in shame for the rest of their hopefully short lives. Social pariahs wherever they go.

Lepers should get a warmer welcome.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (YIVH2)

11 Heard quite the speech today on this from the Uvalde Mayor, I believe.

To paraphrase:

Cops had bod armor. Kids didn't.
Cops had numbers, shooter didn't.
Cops had bulletproof shields, kids didn't.
Cops had training, shooter didn't.

There is not and never will be an acceptable answer to why they did what they did and may God have mercy on their souls because I don't.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (VJFAr)

12 When you absolutely need the police, it’s that moment when it’s best to be armed.

Posted by: 7man at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (qwO6y)

13 BREAKING: Law enforcement confirms no one tried to open Uvalde classroom door, which they now know was never locked

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Holy crap.

Tom Servo made a joke the other day that the police were pissed off at a pizza delivery boy who had arrived to bring food to the cops and he accidentally opened the door and made them look bad. I responded that it was funny because I didn't know if it was true or not.

Turns out that wasn't far from the truth.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (g7CEa)

14 I think the Parents should sue. I know the Supremes said that the Cops have no Legal duty to protect BUT... we do have the right of self defense, AND, they were stopping people from defending their children.

They were directly complicit in the deaths of some of those children.

You can't have it both ways... if you want a monopoly on the ability to defend, then you must have the legal duty to defend.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (oHd/0)

15 Listen, it's not a big deal.

The pie was too hot. I wanted to cool it down, that's all.

Posted by: Joe La Mode. at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (8T60T)

16 This latest update sickens me... in a different time you'd be reading about a former police commander succumbing to a self inflicted gun shot wound.

Posted by: Inogame at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (53oGX)

17 But the lesson we need to learn from this is that guns need to be taken away from everyone except the police... so they can stand around doing nothing while children are killed.

Posted by: buzzion at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (vMCab)

18 mail your three feathers to:

Those Heroes
c/o Uvalde Police Department

Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (xhaym)

19 Fortune favors the bold. Misfortune, the pussies.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Spring Is In the Air! at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (FVME7)

20 1. All Cops are Bastards.
2. Nothing more to see here.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (krQz2)

21 All badge, no balls.

Posted by: davidt at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (oTZbj)

22 "I wonder if the video will show cops picking the underwear out of their asses for seventy minutes."

Probably.

Now the cops ala "Meal Team Six" were responding to reports about a bar and/or a restaurant breaking COVID restrictions, they wouldn't hesitate to raid that place. No 70 minute delay there, no sir.

Posted by: Thrawn at June 21, 2022 04:31 PM (Rl7KJ)

23 Anybody resign yet?

Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (vrz2I)

24 Police also have battering rams for opening locked doors.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (Y5qcH)

25 I don't have words. I'll get banned for what I want to write.

Posted by: jewells45 at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (nxdel)

26 14 I think the Parents should sue. I know the Supremes said that the Cops have no Legal duty to protect BUT... we do have the right of self defense, AND, they were stopping people from defending their children.

They were directly complicit in the deaths of some of those children.

You can't have it both ways... if you want a monopoly on the ability to defend, then you must have the legal duty to defend.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (oHd/0)

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Government agent immunity is something that really needs to be revisited by SCOTUS.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (LvTSG)

27 I can imagine if I were one of those cops I'd be scared that perhaps my actions could cause more kids to be killed than otherwise would have been killed.

HOWEVER, I can't imagine that would last more than a minute. At the 'first next' shot fired, they have to go in, and they didn't.

They should be ashamed and used as poster children of shitty law enforcement.

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (VJsqe)

28 The "strongest terms possible" would be doing to Uvalde's law enforcement what the killer did to those kids.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2022 04:29 PM


I'm willing to be magnanimous and give them an opportunity to suck start a .45 first.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (RkC6l)

29 Just take the city council hostage. You'll have an hour and a half to do what you want with them.

Really, none of the police should feel safe again.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (EpDzw)

30 When danger is moments away, the cops are sitting outside waiting for "additional resources" and for keys they don't need for 70 minutes.

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There were no A-10 Warthogs available.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Spring Is In the Air! at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (FVME7)

31 What A Clusterfuck.

That "police" department needs to be abolished.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (R/m4+)

32 >>Well I guess he finally learned how to clear a room of hostiles, huh?




Cruel. But fair.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (fwjwo)

33 Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (8T60T)

Hell.... as someone who was both on Fire Teams, AND ship's self defense Force.... damn straight I know how to get through doors... even if locked.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (oHd/0)

34 Well, they were ready to go, but somebody had to mop up the piss from the cops pissing their pants in the hall.

You wouldn't want somebody to slip in it and jeopardize the (e)mission.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (krQz2)

35 At least the cops all got home safely that night.
That's the important thing

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (mR6Gs)

36 >> "Obviously, not enough training was done in this situation,


Another infuriating point. They think incompetence is an excuse for cowardice?

How much cash have they received for training? where did that cash go? And now they claim they were not properly trained.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (8T60T)

37 the council feels intimidated ... holy crap. ... They should resign if they can't face the public.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (Cus5s)

38 A door that only has a lock that works from the outside seems pretty dangerous for a school. What if it is locked and there is a fire?

Posted by: Mark1971 at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (xPl2J)

39 Good. Government should feel intimidated. Government should fear its citizens. That is the proper way of things.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (llsW/)

40 But the important thing is that all the cops went home safe that night.

Posted by: Bete at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (F9322)

41 A lot of those police need to be staked to an ant hill in the a nearby desert.

Posted by: Beartooth at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (kCBQ3)

42 The important thing is to remember that it's Kooky Konspiracy stuff to believe that the same people who designed and released a cold virus to "respond" to - killing 600,000 elderly people on purpose - solely to put mail in voting in place in order to legally steal an election would also coordinate something like this two years later in order to legally remove guns from the hands of private citizens.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (g7CEa)

43 obviously what is needed here is more funding

Posted by: brak at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (j5Tg0)

44 Government agent immunity is something that really needs to be revisited by SCOTUS.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (LvTSG)

SCOTUS just denied hearing two cases of Federal agents being above the law. One sent a woman away for two years by lying. Another attempted to murder a person who was questioning him. Both still have immunity for their actions.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (EpDzw)

45 All Cops are Bastards.

Those were; I don't think they all are.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (FZ2cV)

46 How soon until we get audio of gunshots while the police are standing in the hallway right outside?

Recall: Some of the kids were hiding under the table and were shot when the police-- who hadn't neutralized the killer yet--told them to call out.

That is, police in full bulletproof gear, yell, "Call out if you need help."
Kids call out.
Gunshots.
Police .... stand around for another hour.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (XuSFy)

47 Uvalde police live in the area right?
Shun them.
Shun their families.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (pyoFO)

48 Note that they've been pushing this claim that the door was locked, and they had to wait to have the keys brought to them, for two months now.

Only now is it revealed: Nope, not locked. They just never bothered checking it.

++++
Top quality work all around. Give those men bonuses.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (WWh8n)

49 obviously what is needed here is more funding
Posted by: brak at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (j5Tg0)
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And obviously, the ONLY problem is a lack of gun control.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (krQz2)

50 How in God's name does a grown man stand outside an elementary school classroom and listen to the sounds of little children and two teachers being slaughtered and DO NOTHING?

I hope they're haunted by the sounds for the rest of their shameful, miserable lives.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (ptqGC)

51 I've heard the idea proffered that somehow the Defund The Police movement might be at fault here. That somehow the fear of messing up and getting sued to oblivion is restricting cops decision making ability.


Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (VJFAr)

52 When you fail this badly, and every level of Uvalde government has failed, you should resign and BEG forgiveness.

And then go upstairs with a revolver and a tumbler of brandy and...not come down.

Posted by: Obligatory at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (ESjRY)

53 "What if it is locked and there is a fire?"

You can still always go out.

Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (vrz2I)

54 The next city council meeting should be standing room only. No yelling, no talking, nothing hostile -- just accusatory stares at the police chief. For the duration of the meeting.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (PiwSw)

55 Nope, not locked. They just never bothered checking it.
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Those PowerPoint trainings about checking doors instead of fucking around for hours are gonna be lit AF.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (Zl50w)

56 Haven't heard jack shit about the shooter, either.


Assuming he was another Blessing of Liberty.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (fwjwo)

57 Parents of dead children scare me.

Posted by: Uvalde City Council at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (VJsqe)

58 Any politician who feels intimidated by the very people they "supposedly" represent should be removed from any positions of authority immediately and barred from ever holding them in the future.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (zhLdt)

59 Remember, all it took was one good guy with a gun.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (g7CEa)

60 "you don't need guns because you have the police."

Greatly enjoying watching that lie go up in flames.

Pigs gonna pig.
Cowards gonna coward.

Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (+ozEO)

61 38 A door that only has a lock that works from the outside seems pretty dangerous for a school. What if it is locked and there is a fire?
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (xPl2J)

I believe it can only be locked form the outside and only locks on the outside.
Meaning someone inside could leave, but someone outside cannot come in.

Posted by: Inogame at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (53oGX)

62 Uvalde PD should be defunded
the citizens are certainly not getting what they paid for

Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (geLO8)

63
Just take the city council hostage. You'll have an hour and a half to do what you want with them.

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I imagine the council is in charge of the PD's budget. You better believe they'd be ALL OVER that situation.

If the kids want to be protected they should donate more to the FOP.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (IXpV7)

64 I don't know if any of the first line cops pushed back against the orders from their supervisors/ commanders who should be shunned as cowards for the rest of their miserable lives.

Posted by: Anti doesn't matter at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (6jFs+)

65 So they stood in that hallway listening to blasts and screaming children. Grotesque.

There are men in this country who would have ran into that room without a gun or a body shield.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (mR6Gs)

66 How in God's name does a grown man stand outside an elementary school classroom and listen to the sounds of little children and two teachers being slaughtered and DO NOTHING?

As the Uvalde police spokesperson said, "They could have been shot if they confronted the tranny spree killer!"

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (ESjRY)

67 Are. You. Kidding. Me.

Well I guess he finally learned how to clear a room of hostiles, huh?

++++
Only disarmed ones when he had overwhelming force on his side.

Because he's a hero, not a coward like those pissed off citizens who feel betrayed by his feckless, despicable incompetence in the line of duty that helped get a lot of people killed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (WWh8n)

68 38 A door that only has a lock that works from the outside seems pretty dangerous for a school. What if it is locked and there is a fire?
Posted by: Mark1971 at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (xPl2J)

Yeah, I don't buy that shit at all. Who installs an exterior door that only locks from the outside?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (Y5qcH)

69 My late father, a police man, would have died trying to save those kids. It enrages me to think that these so-called men did nothing. Lord have mercy.

Posted by: Jmel at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (bVhJi)

70 How in God's name does a grown man stand outside an elementary school classroom and listen to the sounds of little children and two teachers being slaughtered and DO NOTHING?

I hope they're haunted by the sounds for the rest of their shameful, miserable lives.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM


I think I spotted the problem.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (RkC6l)

71 >>Nope, not locked. They just never bothered checking it.


Reminiscent of the Far Side "...School for the Gifted".

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (fwjwo)

72 Recall the council that voted to clear the room.

Get it done.

Posted by: torabora at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (aCj7/)

73 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (pyoFO)

That’s for starters.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (kzAOr)

74 I've heard the idea proffered that somehow the Defund The Police movement might be at fault here. That somehow the fear of messing up and getting sued to oblivion is restricting cops decision making ability.
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That's still no excuse. A decent human being says, "Fuck that. Let's take him down!"

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (YIVH2)

75 Remember a week or two ago when the left was insisting that "hardening" facilities wasn't good enough, and only banning guns would work?

This door kept 100 police officers out of the room for an hour.

And it wasn't even locked.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (g7CEa)

76 If one them had courage and took initiative he'd be a hero. He'd probably have been fired, but still.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 21, 2022 04:28 PM (VdGjU)


They'd have been hired somewhere else within minutes.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (zhLdt)

77 But they had to wait for those keys. For that locked door.

Which... wasn't locked.


Even worse, the Texas Tribune reports a Halligan bar was available within minutes of the first LEO response. It's a great big pry bar thing the firefighters use to break through or pry open doors. Even if the door was locked and they didn't have keys, they could have pried open the door.

Within the first minutes of the law enforcement response, an officer said the Halligan (a firefighting tool that is also sometimes spelled hooligan) was on site. It wasn’t brought into the school until an hour after the first officers entered the building. Authorities didn’t use it and instead waited for keys.

https://bit.ly/3y7iJRE

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (kDGvA)

78 >>> 50 How in God's name does a grown man stand outside an elementary school classroom and listen to the sounds of little children and two teachers being slaughtered and DO NOTHING?

I hope they're haunted by the sounds for the rest of their shameful, miserable lives eternity.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (ptqGC)

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (llON8)

79 I'm getting awful Sandy-Hook about this stuff.

As I told my wife, this has the feel of getting successive rounds of bullshit from a bullshitter as you call them on different parts of their story.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (krQz2)

80 A door that only has a lock that works from the outside seems pretty dangerous for a school. What if it is locked and there is a fire?

Posted by: Mark1971 at June 21, 2022 04:33 PM (xPl2J)

Only locks from the outside. I suppose that it also unlocks from the outside AND inside.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (nByzo)

81 So they stood in that hallway listening to blasts and screaming children. Grotesque.

There are men in this country who would have ran into that room without a gun or a body shield.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (mR6Gs)

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Our son said he would have without thinking twice about it. And I know he would have.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (ptqGC)

82 dsfoisgh

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (llON8)

83 Pete Arredondo didn't leave his radio outside - it clips to his uniform, as can be seen in earlier photos of him wearing his radio, and most cop shows made in the last decade. He just doesn't want to release recordings.

Posted by: dustydog at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (eIEYa)

84 >How in God's name does a grown man stand outside an elementary school classroom and listen to the sounds of little children and two teachers being slaughtered and DO NOTHING?



cowardice

Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (geLO8)

85 Hey Abbott, you going to do anything here?

Oh...you are investigating.

Well, maybe you should ask Durham for some tips. He's real good at that.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (ESjRY)

86 Bold move.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (krQz2)

87 Uvalde police live in the area right?
Shun them.
Shun their families.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 04:34 PM (pyoFO)

Honestly, that's letting them off to easy. Dead kids because you wouldn't do your job. "I was following orders" is no excuse.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (EpDzw)

88 Helena, hug the barrel.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (nByzo)

89 It gets worse. TDPS noted there were reports from various individuals about the shooters behavior. That includes he dressed like a "school shooter" while attending classes. Nobody. Did. Anything. Plenty of blame to go around including the school officials.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (tQvWB)

90 The guy made a clicking sound when he closed the door. How were they supposed to know?

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (Zl50w)

91 The barrel hungers. Grab your handbasket and climb in Helena.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (ptqGC)

92 That bold is stunning.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (krQz2)

93 Only the cops should have guns, you guys. Only the cops.

Who will come and protect you if you need them.

***** BREAK ***** BREAK ***** BREAK *****

Where the metal meets the meat, we are responsible for our own safety.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (fI5MT)

94 As the Uvalde police spokesperson said, "They could have been shot if they confronted the tranny spree killer!"

*

Yep.

This cannot be posted enough. They flat out stated that they let those kids die because they were scared they might get shot at by one cross dressing high school dropout.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (g7CEa)

95 dangit stop making me laugh you people!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (llON8)

96 Oh, Helena....

Posted by: The Barrel at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (RkC6l)

97 The fair citizens of this town would


Ah shit
Types....
Deletes...

Posted by: USNtakim deplorable, now with ultra maga at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (0OmEj)

98 Pete Arredondo didn't leave his radio outside - it clips to his uniform, as can be seen in earlier photos of him wearing his radio, and most cop shows made in the last decade. He just doesn't want to release recordings.
Posted by: dustydog at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (eIEYa)

What did they need radios for anyways. The guy is in one room. ONE GUY IN ONE ROOM

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (EpDzw)

99 Say what you will about the police, but they're very good at suppressing people who present no physical threat, i.e., Ashli Babbitt, grannies not wearing a mask, people at school board and city council meetings who want to ask inconvenient questions.

Posted by: Wally at June 21, 2022 04:38 PM (GHXTu)

100 The left: You don't need a gun to defend yourself, that's what the trained, well equipped police are for. A "good guy with a gun" will just get innocent people hurt!

Uvalde: The "Well trained, well equipped" cops did NOTHING for an hour until a good guy with a guy snuck in and offed the tranny spree killer.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (ESjRY)

101 That cop tossing people from the city council meeting - which is illegal in Texas by the way - illustrates modern law enforcement. We will pick on the weak and law abiding and hide from any real threat.

Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (R0Vr1)

102 Government agent immunity is something that really needs to be revisited by SCOTUS.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (LvTSG)

Too bad the USSC just passed on a chance to do that.

Posted by: Bete at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (F9322)

103 What did they need radios for anyways. The guy is in one room. ONE GUY IN ONE ROOM

**

Full of windows.

(flashbangs sit peacefully in all of the cruisers)

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (g7CEa)

104 Haven't heard jack shit about the shooter, either.

Assuming he was another Blessing of Liberty.


Drag Queen Shooting Hour?

Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (ZGrMX)

105 I'd rather be shot dead by the gunman than live forever having done nothing.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (VJFAr)

106 Has anyone asked the Uvalde police chief if the tranny spree killer would still be in that school if the BORTAC agent hadn't snuck past his officers?

Because I think the answer is yes, yes he would.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (ESjRY)

107 How in God's name does a grown man stand outside an elementary school classroom and listen to the sounds of little children and two teachers being slaughtered and DO NOTHING?


cowardice
Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (geLO
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Or it's all bullshit leverage to make Americans susceptible to giving the government a "modicum" of power for "red flag laws" that the Governor of Pennsylvania admits could apply to "cryptic posts" on social media. (i.e. posts that certain people do not understand).

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (krQz2)

108 Unfortunately nothing is going to happen to any cop, local, State or Federal that was on the scene standing around with their thumbs up their chicken shit asses for an hour as children were being murdered.


I am not going to say what I would do upon learning this news if my child or wife was in that school and murdered.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (bVYXr)

109 That video really fucking enrages me.

“Are you gonna pay our water bill?”

Motherfucker. What an absolute dickhead. Guy needs to be tarred and feather for such a flippant answer.

Public servant my ass.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (kzAOr)

110 That cop tossing people from the city council meeting - which is illegal in Texas by the way - illustrates modern law enforcement. We will pick on the weak and law abiding and hide from any real threat.
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (R0Vr1)

At least stay in the room and make them arrest you. And I mean make them drag you out.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (EpDzw)

111 Government agent immunity is something that really needs to be revisited by SCOTUS.

it's a tax

Posted by: John Roberts at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (j5Tg0)

112 Every single member of the Uvalde police department should be indicted for murder.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (Pc/Ee)

113 Haven't heard jack shit about the shooter, either.

Assuming he was another Blessing of Liberty.

Drag Queen Shooting Hour?

Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (ZGrMX)

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Those pictures of him posing in drag sure disappeared right away.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (ptqGC)

114 I think Ace conflated the outer door with the inner door.

Outer door - temporarily propped but reportedly closed by teacher when gunman arrived.
Above quote states that it can only be locked from outside, so was unlocked.

Inner, classroom door - status unknown. Police have claimed it was locked and they searched for keys. Police admitted they did not try keys on that door, but instead used keys on other classroom doors looking for "master key." Suspected unlocked since there is no mention of using keys when they finally went in.
Halligan Bar has never been mentioned in this story.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (8T60T)

115 You run to the sound of gunfire. That's your job. It should also be intuitive and primal when kids are involved.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (tQvWB)

116 "First responders"

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (VJsqe)

117 To summarize the "reporting" on the shooting:

Door left open to outside status: NOT left open
Door locked for hours status: NOT locked

Doors are hard. But you can trust the "science" on microorganisms and disease vectors.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (Dqxym)

118 102 Government agent immunity is something that really needs to be revisited by SCOTUS.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (LvTSG)

Too bad the USSC just passed on a chance to do that.
Posted by: Bete at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (F9322)

========

Well, it's a judicial created "right", so the only real solution is through SCOTUS.

It's a massive mistake, though. Some limited immunity for certain well defined types of roles and situations would be valuable. Intentional misbehavior should be punishable to the individual personally.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (LvTSG)

119 This may sound like online toughguy stuff, but I could not stand outside that door and hear what was going on inside, and not do anything.

Because in that moment, I would know that to NOT act would sentence me to a life of shame and regret that would eat me alive. Better to face the moment, whatever happens, than to live in shame. Seriously, the shame would literally kill me, in time.

Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (geLO8)

120 Haven't heard jack shit about the shooter, either.

The FNM early on told us he was a citizen and that his dad was in jail and his mom was a druggie.

The fact they did NOT tell us he wasn't a dreamer tells me he was.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (ESjRY)

121 I'm sort of surprised there haven't already been a number of "mysterious" fires at the homes of the cops who failed so horrifically at their job. With this info, I hope they can't find anyone to even sell them a hamburger or any basic services at all until they leave town.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (nC+QA)

122 At least they LOOKED tacticool... So there's that.

Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (+ozEO)

123 The classroom door was unlocked. These cops have no cover.

Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (o/rfX)

124 IOW, what we confidently expected from the get-go.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - ultra maga ftw ! at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (H4bsh)

125 I'm getting awful Sandy-Hook about this stuff.

As I told my wife, this has the feel of getting successive rounds of bullshit from a bullshitter as you call them on different parts of their story.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:37 PM (krQz2)

I don't believe any of that. In this case it was just a bunch of pussified cops in it for the pays and bennies.
The problem is that being a policeman used to be a vocation, a calling---almost like the priesthood.

Now, the great pay and benefits attract faggots who wouldn't have been a cop back when --as Jack Webb used to say--cops were overworked and underpaid.

None of the cops I remember when i was a kid would have hung around when kids were being slaughtered.

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (mR6Gs)

126 "First responders"

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:41 PM (VJsqe)
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If wetting yourself is a response.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (krQz2)

127 police chief who oversaw this grisly debacle is now a Uvalde city councilman.
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And the shunning should be tripled for this guy...

Don't sell him donuts, coffee, groceries and/or just tell him to wait for 58 minutes.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (pyoFO)

128 These fuckers would have deflated the Titanic's life boats.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (Dqxym)

129 Oh, and another thing.

I would have gone in by myself. Full stop. I would have gone in by myself and left everyone of my fellow officers standing on the sidewalk.

Don't care if they fired me. Don't give a shit. That's a once in a lifetime, no second chance type of decision that you cannot and should not screw up.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (VJFAr)

130 NONE OF THEM COPS BE LOCKSMITHSES!
- Our new Supreme Court Justice

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (g7CEa)

131 Maybe don't call the police, call the Marines

Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (2JoB8)

132 I've said this before-there will be suicides.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (VdGjU)

133 Just remember, none of these cops will be held accountable but the boarder patrol will be punished because Twitter took some photos as a story.

Posted by: Bete at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (F9322)

134 If Derek Chauvin can be tried, those fucking worthless Uvalde shitbags should be.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (Pc/Ee)

135 Unfortunately nothing is going to happen to any cop, local, State or Federal that was on the scene standing around with their thumbs up their chicken shit asses for an hour as children were being murdered.

Oh I bet the BORTAC agent is going to get something nasty in his "permanent record".

He offed a mostly peaceful tranny after all.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (ESjRY)

136 You can't count on the police, but you know who you could count on in that situation?
"Hey Flash, there are 12 year-old girls in there!"
"I'm on it!"

Posted by: Wally at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (GHXTu)

137 What did they need radios for anyways. The guy is in one room. ONE GUY IN ONE ROOM

**

Full of windows.

(flashbangs sit peacefully in all of the cruisers)
Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:40 PM (g7CEa)

That's why talking about the radios is worthless. This didn't require split second timing of five different teams. It is breaching a room which you can do easily with three guys.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (EpDzw)

138 The clearing of the council chambers is just, so, perfect. America 2022. Indistinguishable from most any drab awful authoritarian craphole, in key respects. That the people there elected this catastrophic failure of a cop to the council - chef's kiss.

Generations of lazy unengaged misinformed propagandized citizens, marinating in increasingly distorted and toxic nonsense from every angle, turns out to have consequences.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (OTzUX)

139 "types delete"

Good grief.

Posted by: dantesed at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (193FS)

140 Failing to deal with this, to have real consequences and penalties for this absolute dereliction of duty leading to the deaths of children... all that does is encourage parents to handle things on their own next time, or the time after that. If you cannot get justice from the representatives you have selected and paid... you must get it yourself.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (llsW/)

141 Maybe don't call the police, call the Marines

Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (2JoB

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This.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (ptqGC)

142 I dont give a fuck what happens to these cops

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (89T5c)

143 Assumes his seat even after this colossal fuck up?

Look who found his balls.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (KbCG3)

144 hat cop tossing people from the city council meeting - which is illegal in Texas by the way - illustrates modern law enforcement. We will pick on the weak and law abiding and hide from any real threat.
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:39 PM (R0Vr1)

true

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (mR6Gs)

145 Oh I bet the BORTAC agent is going to get something nasty in his "permanent record".

He offed a mostly peaceful tranny after all.


And it was almost Pride Month!

Hell, that's probably why Biden is punishing the Border Patrol now for the horse whippings that didn't actually happen.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (ZGrMX)

146
da po-po iz not yo friend

dey are union guys working fo da democrats

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (njInY)

147 As the Uvalde police spokesperson said, "They could have been shot if they confronted the tranny spree killer!"
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:36 PM (ESjRY)

Damn right we could have been shot and if we were who's going to write those traffic citations for speeding 1 mile over the limit. Did you think of that? I thought not.

Posted by: Ulvade Police Chief at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (kCBQ3)

148 Uh, they said it was common knowledge in the community the shooter was a "problem", but he was also torturing and killing small animals. Someone stated the shooter was once "carrying a bag of dead cats".

But, please John Cornyn, take away guns from legal gun owners, you douche.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (tQvWB)

149 I've said this before-there will be suicides.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (VdGjU)

Arkanicides are just so prevalent.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (EpDzw)

150 NONE OF THEM COPS BE LOCKSMITHSES!

Could you imagine what would happen to a private ordered to engage some jihadi in 'Stan if he just stood around the outside of a building while the jihadi killed friendlies for an hour?

And this is a few dozen trained cops confronted by...a single tranny.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (ESjRY)

151 They thought "first responder" was just a discount they get at certain retail stores, not an actual part of the job

Posted by: brak at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (j5Tg0)

152 These people are sorry excuses for police.

Posted by: The Keystone Cops at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (Dqxym)

153 We can't fit everybody on the lifeboats! Cut them loose!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM (Pc/Ee)

154 If it only locks from the outside, wouldn't that mean that there isn't even a keyhole on the outside?

These cops deserve the Inglorious Bastards treatment.

Posted by: Anotheranon at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (8Ze5j)

155 This is obscene.

Posted by: Shaftoe at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (gS/r9)

156 I'm still uncertain how a group of cops could "wait" while children are screaming and they're hearing gunshots.

Unless...

I won't go where my mind is going but, wouldn't most men (or women) go into protector mode and need to be held back by more than some dumb higher-up saying "let's wait"?

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (DcKNO)

157 I don't believe any of that. In this case it was just a bunch of pussified cops in it for the pays and bennies.
The problem is that being a policeman used to be a vocation, a calling---almost like the priesthood.


The culture that created those men is gone, too. Now a tough guy is a boy with a beard who is great at video games and only cries sometimes when he talks to his girlfriend.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (llsW/)

158 Oh I bet the BORTAC agent is going to get something nasty in his "permanent record".

He offed a mostly peaceful tranny after all.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:43 PM (ESjRY)
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I'm sure when you take the day as a whole, that day was mostly peaceful.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (krQz2)

159 These people are sorry excuses for human beings. Posted by: The Keystone Cops

Fify.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (Pc/Ee)

160 he classroom door was unlocked. These cops have no cover.

*

(looks at the ballistic shield propped up against the thick school walls and suspect the metal doors have metal door frames)

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (g7CEa)

161 >>The fact they did NOT tell us he wasn't a dreamer tells me he was.


This is my operating assumption.

We heard a hell of a lot about the Buffalo Shooter, in comparison.


Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (fwjwo)

162 I would have gone in by myself. Full stop. I would have gone in by myself and left everyone of my fellow officers standing on the sidewalk.

Don't care if they fired me. Don't give a shit. That's a once in a lifetime, no second chance type of decision that you cannot and should not screw up.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (VJFAr)


As I said right after this happened: I don't understand how NOT ONE of those cops did this.

Posted by: Jordan61 at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (DRSnL)

163 Just imagine how much better things will be if the Dems get their wish of federalizing the police.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (D6lWx)

164 hat cop tossing people from the city council meeting - which is illegal in Texas by the way

Who has enforcement on that? The local cops or the statees?

Because if it is the latter...Abbott you going to do anything???

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (ESjRY)

165 A society that cowers because of lawyers.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (89T5c)

166 Every day, people have "mostly peaceful" firearms secured on their gunracks.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (krQz2)

167
At least everyone went home safe. Except the kids.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (/U27+)

168 One of the officers had a wife inside the school and they escorted him out of the school.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (dKiJG)

169 Any comment from Matthew McConaughey?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (ptqGC)

170 Maybe don't call the police, call the Marines

They can show up with matching pumps and rainbow colored bullets.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (llsW/)

171 Something tells me this police department is not an aberration.

Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (vrz2I)

172 >> he classroom door was unlocked. These cops have no cover.


Who cares. There are kids in there getting shot.

It's not Goldeneye on PS3.
Kick that fucking door in and waste the gunman.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (fwjwo)

173 I won't go where my mind is going but, wouldn't most men (or women) go into protector mode and need to be held back by more than some dumb higher-up saying "let's wait"?

I suspect we will find the police lead told the rest to stay out and they "just followed orders".

They should all be fired and the lead arrested but...this is Soviet America now, not Heritage America

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (ESjRY)

174 165 A society that cowers because of lawyers.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (89T5c)

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No. Those police are cowards. Every last one of them covered by unconstitutional qualified immunity.
They get no excuse.

Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (+ozEO)

175 I find it strange that there hasn't been a peep out of grandma. No one wants to hear her side of the story? How did he get the money to buy the guns and ammo?

Posted by: jewells45 at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (nxdel)

176 170 Maybe don't call the police, call the Marines

They can show up with matching pumps and rainbow colored bullets.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (llsW/)

=======

Call the local gun range.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (LvTSG)

177 "I think the Parents should sue. I know the Supremes said that the Cops have no Legal duty to protect...."

Under the U.S. Constitution. Texas's may be different.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (KAi1n)

178 Now a tough guy is a boy with a beard who is great at video games and only cries sometimes when he talks to his girlfriend.

I've had a theory since the early 2000s that most Millennial men grow beards because they're otherwise indistinguishable from women.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (ZGrMX)

179 Looks like National Review is cuing up an An Against Trump Redux issue.

Apparently Trump is awful

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (Mhces)

180 I've seen loads of idiots online using the complete incompetence and cowardice to argue the AR-15 should be banned and that this incident kills the "good guy with a gun" argument.

According to them, the fact these police were so turrified of a tranny with an AR is proof it's too powerful for civvy hands.

Also according to them, those police were the proverbial good guys, and they did nothing. This proves that good guys in all times and in all places would have been just as useless.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (kDGvA)

181 To fight oppression, you have to see your chains. They get heavier by the day. I bet those worthless cops have heavy surveillance on any parent who lost a child though.

Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (o/rfX)

182 I have a suspicion that certain police departments WANT high bodycount school shootings to pave the way for gun confiscation. This is just proof to me. There is no explanation for sitting outside the classroom listening to kids get shot, unless you see them as making a sacrifice for the greater good. But they made sure their own kids were safe.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (Pc/Ee)

183 Die Hard was not an instruction manual.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (h9Mbp)

184 177 "I think the Parents should sue. I know the Supremes said that the Cops have no Legal duty to protect...."

Under the U.S. Constitution. Texas's may be different.
Posted by: SFGoth at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (KAi1n)

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I missed that clause.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (LvTSG)

185 As I said right after this happened: I don't understand how NOT ONE of those cops did this.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (DRSnL)
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As I said up above, a decent man would say, "Fuck that. We're going in!" These were not decent men. They are scum and should be regarded lower than the slime accumulating in the cracks of my bathtub.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (YIVH2)

186 When it finally ended, allegedly the BORTAC agent and shooter went muzzle to muzzle. That was always the way it was going to end. If done sooner it also would have focused the shooter on defense.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (tQvWB)

187 162 I would have gone in by myself. Full stop. I would have gone in by myself and left everyone of my fellow officers standing on the sidewalk.

Don't care if they fired me. Don't give a shit. That's a once in a lifetime, no second chance type of decision that you cannot and should not screw up.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:42 PM (VJFAr)

As I said right after this happened: I don't understand how NOT ONE of those cops did this.
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (DRSnL)

One could possibly see how 1 or maybe 2 cops "chickened out". Nobody really knows how'll they would react when SHTF like this. But there were at least 4 in the school, with AR's and long guns, with ballistic shields and vests.
Not one of the four could "nut up"?

We're on our own, folks. Equip and train accordingly.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (N39Ws)

188 I've had a theory since the early 2000s that most Millennial men grow beards because they're otherwise indistinguishable from women.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (ZGrMX)

It's because most a lazy and shaving is too hard.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (Y5qcH)

189 I think the Parents should sue. I know the Supremes said that the Cops have no Legal duty to protect...."

If there was an opposition party interested in keeping and preserving the RTKBA it might want to keep the fact the cops have no responsibility to protect people front and center in the news by arresting/suing the Uvalde cops.

Sure the SC will smack you down. MAKE THEM DO IT.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (ESjRY)

190 The stories keep getting worse.. Breaks my heart

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (bs+z0)

191 As I said up above, a decent man would say, "Fuck that. We're going in!" These were not decent men. They are scum and should be regarded lower than the slime accumulating in the cracks of my bathtub.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (YIVH2)
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No police officer is a decent man.
Not one.

Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (+ozEO)

192 179 Looks like National Review is cuing up an An Against Trump Redux issue.

Apparently Trump is awful
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (Mhces)

Hey! That's MY grift!

Posted by: William Kristol at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (PiwSw)

193 One of the officers had a wife inside the school and they escorted him out of the school.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at June 21, 2022 04:46 PM (dKiJG)

As I said in the post below, he had better be shot or have been beaten to a pulp to stop him.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (EpDzw)

194 and to think these parents dare to intimidate school officials during pride month AND during Juneteenth Eve AND during John McCain's Funeral's Fortieth month

Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (OuH7W)

195 Donks protect their own.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (b+v9B)

196 Pete Arredondo, AKA, the coward of Uvalde.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (Bd6X8)

197 My theory about this is that by the time the cops arrived, the shooting was over. I cannot make myself believe that not so much as one man there would not have gone in immediately had they heard shots being fired, or children screaming.

If their radios weren't working, I'd assume they weren't in touch with 911 dispatchers, and didn't realize shooting had commenced.

If they thought he had a roomful of kids but didn't realize he had shot them, I can see where they would want to proceed with caution, which does jibe with the reports that the lead officer thought it was a barricaded shooter situation.

Neither do I believe that an officer sat there and let his wife bleed out. I believe they must have held him back somehow.



Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (qxetU)

198 They thought "first responder" was just a discount they get at certain retail stores, not an actual part of the job

Posted by: brak at June 21, 2022 04:44 PM


Well they do get the "Hero" discount at Canes chicken fingers restaurants. Maybe that was good enough for them.

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (bVYXr)

199 Hey, hey, now. These cops were making split second decisions ... so let's not pile on here.

I too often take about 70 minutes to make a split-second decision because I am a very thoughtful person, you see. Like you might think you can't trust senate democrats on gun control, well I don't either, which is why I took the lead in trusting them on gun control so you wouldn't have to.

Posted by: John Cornyn, Texan at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (dYe5S)

200 I have yet to be able to complete a comment. It has been nothing but typing & erasing.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (OzJjC)

201 No police officer is a decent man.
Not one.
Posted by: Broken Apple

**

That's not true.

One was getting his hair cut that day.

It's worth noting that apparently the only reason he was able to stop the shooting is because his boss wasn't there.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (g7CEa)

202 I like beards and mustaches on men, its conspicuous masculinity in a culture that wants every man to be plucked and wearing a onesie cuddling with hot cocoa. But the beard thing has gone weird places.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (llsW/)

203 Notice these cops had no issues chasing down somebody ALONE IN THE FUCKING OCEAN during COVID

Posted by: GetchaPull at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (F4VNW)

204 I bet those worthless cops have heavy surveillance on any parent who lost a child though.
Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:48 PM (o/rfX)

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Imagine one of those deadbeats issuing speeding tickets to any Uvalde citizen, to say nothing of a parent of a dead child. Infuriating.

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (VJsqe)

205 16 This latest update sickens me... in a different time you'd be reading about a former police commander succumbing to a self inflicted gun shot wound.
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Not only did Arredondo, the cowardly and incompetent police chief, not resign, but he apparently got a lawyer to threaten Uvalde after they announced they weren't going to swear him into his seat on the city council the day after the murders. After they made that announcement, the city quickly retreated and swore him in.

The scumbag apparently has no shame. Anybody with a conscience would have resigned from both positions, and spared the traumatized locals the painful spectacle of having to see his bloated, cowardly face ever again.

But no, he won't do even that little for them. This POS will be kicking and screaming and lying and deflecting every step of the way as the city moves to have him legally removed from his positions. The local taxpayers will probably have to spend millions to get this incompetent, cowardly, bloated piece of garbage out of office.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (MvHI3)

206 I was responding to the poster who assumed Ace confused the doors - they were both unlocked- outside and in, so no Hollywood theatrics needed garret.

Posted by: Indignatio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (o/rfX)

207 I've heard the idea proffered that somehow the Defund The Police movement might be at fault here. That somehow the fear of messing up and getting sued to oblivion is restricting cops decision making ability.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (VJFAr)


If the cops and the chief were convinced that they were not backed at all for any action and would be hung out to dry if they acted correctly and the perp they popped was the wrong place in the "stack", then yes, they had reason to be afraid of their superiors and the DA and random violence. They also had basis for quitting or going somewhere else.
Their chief sounds like a politically motivated coward. However they listened to both being told not to act, and to children dying and decided to obey

Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (xhaym)

208 We must always support the blue. LOLGF

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (MkYsY)

209 > Kick that fucking door in and waste the gunman.

Good luck with that. It's a metal door frame with a metal door that opens outward. I've seen videos of cops with a handheld battering ram that took ages to get through a barricaded metal door that opens inward.

Try and kick through that and you're getting nowhere.

They had the tools though. They could have gone through the windows or used the Halligan they had to pry open the door.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (kDGvA)

210 When action is needed in seconds, the Uvalde Police were over an hour late, and they were at the scene.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (u82oZ)

211 No police officer is a decent man.
Not one.
Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (+ozEO)

Bullshit.

Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (qxetU)

212 Sure the SC will smack you down. MAKE THEM DO IT.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (ESjRY)

No they won't. If Congress specified when and how you could sue a law enforcement officer, the court would be stuck. Congress actually controls suing the Feds.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (EpDzw)

213 >chief who oversaw this grisly debacle is now a Uvalde city councilman.


Extra immunity?

Posted by: davidt at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (oTZbj)

214 201 No police officer is a decent man.
Not one.
Posted by: Broken Apple

You're painting with a mighty wide brush there...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (bs+z0)

215 They could have gone through the windows or used the Halligan they had to pry open the door.

Or they could have just turned the knob and opened it, SINCE IT WAS NOT LOCKED

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (llsW/)

216 So glad the police were there to "Serve and Protect" their pensions. Unfortunately, I now view all cops as the enemy of my family and me. As my late uncle, who was a police officer for 35 years told me, never trust the police. Words to live by. So, we are on our own.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (3NLNV)

217 Fuck these people.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (guGkK)

218
They had the tools though. They could have gone through the windows or used the Halligan they had to pry open the door.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (kDGvA)

The door wasn't locked.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (ptqGC)

219 They had the tools though. They could have gone through the windows or used the Halligan they had to pry open the door.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (kDGvA)

Or maybe turn the doorknob since it was unlocked.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (EpDzw)

220 A point I want people to consider - we ruined the lives of a bunch of soldiers and marines in 'Stan and Iraq for making "the wrong" decision when faced with jihadis.

If we expect an 18 year old private on the other side of the world to show courage and decisiveness why are we expecting less from "well trained" johnny law in his home town?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (ESjRY)

221 We must wait until Matthew McConaughey speaks to the nation before we know what to think and say about this.

Posted by: Satans Retards at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (jCH++)

222 172
Who cares. There are kids in there getting shot.

It's not Goldeneye on PS3.
Kick that fucking door in and waste the gunman.
Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (fwjwo)

The gun that had the ballistic shield on it sure looks like a shotgun. No reason to believe it isn't anything but a 12ga. I've never put a 12ga shotgun up against a door handle, but I've seen what it can do to range targets. That shotgun is your "door kicker".

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (N39Ws)

223 BREAKING: In the strongest terms possible, the head of the Texas state police has just condemned the law enforcement response in Uvalde, calling it an "abject failure and antithetical to everything we have learned over the past two decades."

Mistakes were made. Additional training will be implemented.

Nothing to see here...

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (guGkK)

224 >>>I'm getting awful Sandy-Hook about this stuff.

>>I don't believe any of that

>The culture

...

I don't think it was planned, but it's like the guy who fills his house with old newspaper and buckets of gasoline, and who is always drunk, and uses candles for lighting,...

It was not planned, but is was encouraged. Encouraged by corrupt police paid to LARP as SWAT and not required to actually train and inspect school security. Encouraged by a system that will not confront a sick kid before he kills people,...

And right now I think a lot of that encouragement was just an upgrade over the fast and furious plan. They wanted this.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (8T60T)

225 >>Good luck with that. It's a metal door frame with a metal door that opens outward.


Fine. Then open it.
Either way.

You don't stand around bullshitting and waiting on Officer Godot.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:52 PM (fwjwo)

226 > My theory about this is that by the time the cops arrived, the shooting was over.

I've heard from multiple sources that an officer in the hallway called out to the victims, telling them to call back if they needed help. One kid did, and the shooter walked over and killed that kid.

Even if all the victims were shot by that point, they should have fucking moved their asses to see if they could save anyone from bleeding out.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (kDGvA)

227 Any military vet who had to clear buildings in Iraq or Afghanistan could have taken the shooter out pretty quickly. Screw the "problem" with the door.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (ptqGC)

228
Kinda puts a hole in the argument, "You don't need guns for self-defense. That's a job for the police."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (/U27+)

229 You're painting with a mighty wide brush there...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (bs+z0)

Well, since non-law enforcement types apparently no longer have a say. Either they clean it up or they get the broad brush.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (EpDzw)

230
I wonder if the video will show cops picking the underwear out of their asses for seventy minutes.


Smoking and joking ... count on it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (pNxlR)

231 Neither do I believe that an officer sat there and let his wife bleed out. I believe they must have held him back somehow.

Posted by: Lambert Says


There hasn't been a man born big enough, that could stop me.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (OzJjC)

232 Name them.

Shame them.

Damnatio memoriae them. No pension for you, bad cops.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (u82oZ)

233 Hey, someone want to give me hand here PULLING MY THUMB OUT OF MY ASS???

Posted by: The Heroes of Uvalde at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (guGkK)

234 My theory about this is that by the time the cops arrived, the shooting was over. I cannot make myself believe that not so much as one man there would not have gone in immediately had they heard shots being fired, or children screaming.


*

The shooting wasn't over. If a man with a gun who had shot a bunch of people (kids in this case) is still freely existing and hanging out, the shooting hasn't ended.

Again, the cops said they didn't want to go in because they were scared that the cross dresser might shoot at them. Their lieutenant stated it plainly to the media in almost those exact words. It sucks that this confirms his statement.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (g7CEa)

235 >>No police officer is a decent man.


I can't completely disagree. I know one. But. Woman.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (fwjwo)

236 No police officer is a decent man.
Not one.
Posted by: Broken Apple

I don't go this far.
Let's just say that the type of MAN our culture is producing PLUS the type of man that law enforcement is attracting these days will lead to more situations like this

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (mR6Gs)

237 > The door wasn't locked.

I am aware.
I'm saying if the door was locked or even if they thought it was locked, they had a tool to get through the door. They had tools to get through the windows.

Even if the door had been locked, they have no good excuses.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (kDGvA)

238 How did he get the money to buy the guns and ammo?


It's a mystery

Posted by: A group Men in Khakies, Blue Polos and Khaki Ball Caps at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (gmo/4)

239 Posted by: jewells45 at June 21, 2022 04:47 PM (nxdel)

Grandma was shot directly in her jaw, and will not likely speak again. I'm going to say she is also probably still in shock and maybe even still in hospital.

Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (qxetU)

240 Anybody resign yet?
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (vrz2I)


For what? I let those parents know I'd bust some skulls if they tried to enter the school. -- Uvalde police officer

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (zhLdt)

241 How did he get the money to buy the guns and ammo?


I'll never tell...

Posted by: Armand clocking in on Discord at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (ESjRY)

242 No police officer is a decent man.
Not one.


I trust you can say this with authority as you know the personal failings of each and every officer.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at June 21, 2022 04:54 PM (Bd6X8)

243 If they thought he had a roomful of kids but didn't realize he had shot them, I can see where they would want to proceed with caution, which does jibe with the reports that the lead officer thought it was a barricaded shooter situation.
_____________

There were kids inside the classroom repeatedly calling 911 and telling them that there were injured kids still inside the room, as the cops stood outside in the hall. The cops knew there were kids bleeding and dying in that room, and they still stood there and did nothing.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (MvHI3)

244 I wonder if the video will show cops picking the underwear out of their asses for seventy minutes.

Smoking and joking ... count on it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (pNxlR)

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I remember seeing video on Fox of a couple of cops standing out on the street laughing about something. It was shown once and disappeared.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (ptqGC)

245 I've seen loads of idiots online using the complete incompetence and cowardice to argue the AR-15 should be banned and that this incident kills the "good guy with a gun" argument.
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The board-headedness that the left has with the "good guy with a gun" argument is a sight to see. It's like they don't understand implication.

But one of the issues is the way the drones "hear" the argument. If "a good guy with a gun" is any kind of "solution", then it is "perfect". So, when it fails to keep people from getting killed, it's not perfect, and so cannot be classified as a "solution".

Because of suicide, it is not the case that whenever a bad guy with a gun is stopped it takes a "good guy with a gun". But that's putting the extent of the killing in the bad guy with a gun's hands. And the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun before he kills all that he wants is a good guy with a gun, or an unarmed movie hero, who kills without a gun.

So, preferable to waiting for the BGWAG to stop killing, or hoping for the movie hero who you don't know even exists or is in the area, a GGWAG is the preferred, rational way to stop a BGWAG.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (krQz2)

246 With SCOTUS reaffirming police immunity I'm at the point of not caring if SCOTUS gets burned out of the homes and ran down like escaped criminals in a swamp. They are part of the problem.

Posted by: Beartooth at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (kCBQ3)

247 Any revelations about the Federal reconnaissance plane monitoring the situation from above?

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (jTmQV)

248 > My theory about this is that by the time the cops arrived, the shooting was over.

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Well if the shooting was over, why not go in?

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (VJsqe)

249 No police officer is a decent man.
Not one.

=========

I mean...I knew Wyatt Earp had his proclivities, but jeez...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LvTSG)

250 > Again, the cops said they didn't want to go in because they were scared that the cross dresser might shoot at them. Their lieutenant stated it plainly to the media in almost those exact words. It sucks that this confirms his statement.

The Uvalde PD put out a public statement soon after the shooting saying they were very grateful none of their people were shot.

*spits*

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (kDGvA)

251 We had to establish a perimeter and muster our resources.

That shit takes time.

Posted by: The Heroes of Uvalde at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (guGkK)

252 There is going to be frontier justice over this.

Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)

253 A new poll has revealed President Joe Biden’s approval rating fell to a new low amid expectations of economic recession. According to data collected by Civiqs, Biden’s job approval fell to 32 percent in June, which down from 34 percent in May. This marks its lowest level since the Democrat took office last year.

A whopping 57 percent of respondents said they do not approve of Biden’s job performance. In addition to this, the President’s net approval ratings are now negative in 48 states, which is up from 47 states last month with the exception of Hawaii and Vermont. Biden now has a national net approval rating of -25 and most respondents are concerned about his poor handling of the economy.

Maybe the Uvalde cops can establish a perimeter around FJBs poll numbers.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:56 PM (Pc/Ee)

254 Swat carries knock knock rounds for shotguns that will eviscerate a hinge or a lock.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:56 PM (VJFAr)

255 I bet Uvalde residents could really go for some toxic masculinity about now.

Posted by: 40 Miles North at June 21, 2022 04:56 PM (uWF4x)

256 There is going to be frontier justice over this.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)

If there's no frontier justice in TEXAS, there is no frontier justice

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 04:56 PM (mR6Gs)

257 >> My theory about this is that by the time the cops arrived, the shooting was over.


According to sources, the Mosse out front should have told them.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (fwjwo)

258 202 I like beards and mustaches on men, its conspicuous masculinity in a culture that wants every man to be plucked and wearing a onesie cuddling with hot cocoa. But the beard thing has gone weird places.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM (llsW/)

Go on....

Posted by: Brian Stetler at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (N39Ws)

259 157 I don't believe any of that. In this case it was just a bunch of pussified cops in it for the pays and bennies.
The problem is that being a policeman used to be a vocation, a calling---almost like the priesthood.

The culture that created those men is gone, too. Now a tough guy is a boy with a beard who is great at video games and only cries sometimes when he talks to his girlfriend.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:45 PM (llsW/)

The war on masculinity has taken on casualties

Posted by: 7man at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (qwO6y)

260 When seconds count, the police are just outside the door.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (Pc/Ee)

261 Piece of shit cops finally found someone to stand up to, law-abiding citizens.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (eh1Wg)

262 Can't wait! You think it's dangerous now!

Posted by: Border Gun Black Market at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (lRlNr)

263 Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:53 PM (kDGvA)

I guess my main point is that they might not have realized that the children had been shot.

It's even stupid to ask them to respond, I'm sure they'd have been terrified to make a sound under the circumstances.

I am not trying to defend the cops so much as keep at bay my horror that they might really have been this cowardly.

Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (qxetU)

264 Maybe the Uvalde cops can establish a perimeter around FJBs poll numbers.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:56 PM (Pc/Ee)
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I wonder what their poll numbers are like...How bad do you have to be to poll worse than FJB?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (YIVH2)

265 Swat carries knock knock rounds for shotguns that will eviscerate a hinge or a lock.


Heritage America: Adapt, improvise, overcome

Soviet America: If we confront the tranny killer we could get shot!

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (ESjRY)

266 There is going to be frontier justice over this.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)

Honestly, it would be a horrible thing if justice was served. I would feel awful. Really awful.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (EpDzw)

267 Cops decided to use siege tactics. They were just waiting on the trebuchets.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (VJFAr)

268
Maybe the Uvalde cops and Capitol Hill cops could get together and compare notes on rapid and effective protective measures ... of their pensions and retirement benefits.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (pNxlR)

269 Red flag laws would have prevented this.

"Yes, hi, I'd like to report a large group of armed men who are an imminent danger to the community. They call themselves 'the police.'"

Posted by: Fled Rag at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (1dzqn)

270 Pet dogs learn how to open unlocked doors without training.

How many man-hours of training to police need to be able to open unlocked doors?

"I had the door-opening training, but my supervisor was on vacation last month, so no sign-off on my qual. I therefore wasn't qualified to open that door."

---Some fucking Uvalde cop, explaining to St. Peter in about 40 years, after a nice, safe life.

Posted by: Sharkman at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (cE4C5)

271 Hey Uvalde cops and city council...
If your incompetence results in a totally bullshit and unconstitutional red flag law, I've got a red flag for you.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (anj39)

272 >>There is going to be frontier justice over this.


That's a terrible thing to say.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 04:58 PM (fwjwo)

273 If my TX tax dollars were going towards this police department in any way, I'd likely be fully on board with the defund movement. I'm not getting my money's worth.

In fact, I'd petition for a damn refund.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (BFigT)

274 I guess my main point is that they might not have realized that the children had been shot.

*

The children inside the classroom were literally calling them and saying things like "we've been shot and some children are lying here dying, please help us, please, we're shot and dying"

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (g7CEa)

275 248 > My theory about this is that by the time the cops arrived, the shooting was over.

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Well if the shooting was over, why not go in?
Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (VJsqe)

Which explains perfectly how the one kid was shot and killed by the cross dresser when one of the officers who "nutted up" and went in called out to them.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (N39Ws)

276 Surveillance footage shows several of the Uvalde police on their phones trying to hire Mongo for a candygram.

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (VJsqe)

277 White House:

“Right now, we don’t see a recession. We are not in a recession right now.

Right now, we’re in a transition where we will go into a place of stable and steady growth, and that’s going to be our focus.”

Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (LTLE1)

278 Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (qxetU)

With respect, move past your horror. These cops were cowardly, too afraid to get shot or get in trouble for disobeying an order.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (kzAOr)

279 Accessories to murder.

Posted by: Thatch at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (qWceQ)

280 > There is going to be frontier justice over this.

I'm honestly shocked over how often this is not the case. Plenty of people who deserve it die of old age in their beds.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (kDGvA)

281 My heart aches for those parent learning this. Anger doesn’t seem strong enough for what they must feel! I know those babies are with our Lord. May He continue to wrap his arms around all who lost their babies, their loved ones, in this atrocity. Please, Lord, bring peace to their hearts now more than ever. Amen.

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2022 05:00 PM (FXYsU)

282 Piece of shit cops finally found someone to stand up to, unarmed law-abiding citizens.]

Posted by: Border Gun Black Market at June 21, 2022 05:00 PM (lRlNr)

283 Hello? Yes I'd like to hire a couple of male strippers. Uh...its for someone else's bachelorette party...yes right that's totally it.

Posted by: The Uvalde Cops while waiting for the tranny killer to finish at June 21, 2022 05:00 PM (ESjRY)

284 Their locked door bullshit never made the slightest bit of sense. Even of it WERE locked, it's a school, not a ducking bank. I could break it down alone with no tools in less than a minute.

The minute I heard this key bulllshit I said it was an acknowledgement that they knew they royally fucked up and were frantically trying to cover their asses.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at June 21, 2022 05:00 PM (uvCel)

285 "38 A door that only has a lock that works from the outside seems pretty dangerous for a school. What if it is locked and there is a fire?"

That's the point. You can always go out, like to escape a fire, not in. But it also means if you are in, you can't lock it to keep out people.

Posted by: goodluckduck at June 21, 2022 05:00 PM (pCXlW)

286 Will the media and pollsters let Joe's rating go below 30? Will they be able to hide it?

Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (vrz2I)

287 There is going to be frontier justice over this.
Posted by: alexthechick

Been praying.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (OzJjC)

288 The more info we get, the worse it is. They used to tar and feather for less.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (ynpvh)

289 Anyone tell the Ukes that if they just started locking their doors the Russians would have to just give up and go home?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (ESjRY)

290 When seconds count, the police are just outside the door.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 04:57 PM (Pc/Ee)
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Mopping up their piss and cowering.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (krQz2)

291 Old story, don't know if true or not, about a couple camping in the woods. They get jumped by some thugs. Husband is held and watches while wife is raped. Weeks later, the husband is confused why wife is mad at him. There were three guys. He was being held. She told him, "You lived." In other words, there are times you come back with your shield or on it.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (EpDzw)

292 Yay, a stupid pride month survey from my institution for me to fill out!

Is it mandatory? No? Well...into the delete file it goes.

Posted by: Thrawn at June 21, 2022 05:02 PM (Rl7KJ)

293 You screwed up! You trusted us! Scapegoat de jour!

Posted by: Acme Door Locks at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (lRlNr)

294 Uvalde's Finest

*spit*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (guGkK)

295 292 Yay, a stupid pride month survey from my institution for me to fill out!

Is it mandatory? No? Well...into the delete file it goes.

Posted by: Thrawn at June 21, 2022 05:02 PM (Rl7KJ)

I once had to do voluntary online training for work. If I didn't do the voluntary training punishment could include being fired.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (ynpvh)

296 There is going to be frontier justice over this.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)


No problem here.
Neighbor has five acres and a back hoe.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (anj39)

297 This too is the normalcy restored to this country by a Biding presidency.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (krQz2)

298 Look at Fox news website right now

Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (geLO8)

299 62 Uvalde PD should be defunded
the citizens are certainly not getting what they paid for
Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 04:35 PM (geLO

What I hope happens - and it could if the locals get organized and demand it - is the the Uvalde PD department should be completely abolished, everyone fired. Then, the County Sherriff's office should take over patrolling duties for the city of Uvalde and expand their manpower to do so. Uvalde is small enough that this is feasible. Anyone from the City PD who had no part in this can be rehired by the expanded Sherriff's Dep't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (trdmm)

300 > I am not trying to defend the cops so much as keep at bay my horror that they might really have been this cowardly.

I understand completely. I've had to step away from the computer many times because I was so angry and sick over this one. I've tried my best to see it from the point of view of the responding officers, and I keep running into insurmountable obstacles. I see zero ways in which this was some comedy of errors. I only see stunning stupidity, unthinking obeisance to command, cowardice, and most of all, inhuman indifference to CHILDREN'S SUFFERING.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (kDGvA)

301 There is going to be frontier justice over this.

Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)

I've said over and over - and will say again here - that I don't condone vigilante justice, but I understand how it becomes the only acceptable outcome.

I will now add a new corollary: I will never (never) vote to convict an individual for executing legitimate frontier justice.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (fI5MT)

302 There is going to be frontier justice over this.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM


As long as we don't get any frontier psychiatrist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE

Posted by: Mister Scott (formerly GWS) at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (bVYXr)

303 >>>197 My theory about this is that by the time the cops arrived, the shooting was over.

My theory is you should read more and theorize less. Every account admits some shots were fired while cops were waiting in the hall. Accounts vary from 3 upwards, but none, not even Arredondo's self-service Texas Tribune account, tries to pretend Arrendondo wasn't listening to shots during the waiting.

Posted by: Match Checksout at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (dYe5S)

304 The temporizing by some to " wait for more information before rushing to judgment" boilerplate is wearing a bit - thin.

Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 05:04 PM (Vr12I)

305 Cops: Can we starve him out?

Other cops: No, they have a lunchroom.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (VJFAr)

306 No problem here.
Neighbor has five acres and a back hoe.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:03 PM (anj39)

Don't forget the bags of lime...

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (3NLNV)

307 We need red flag laws to identify cowardly shit cops.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (Pc/Ee)

308 Boy there sure are a lot of strange coincidences that line up really well for the left's propaganda push going into the convention. Everyone who had any authority used all their power to facilitate this at . every . single . fucking . step .

Strange how that worked out.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (0fVbu)

309 But the beard thing has gone weird places.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 04:50 PM


This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Sven Forkbeard at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (a3Q+t)

310 "He's got to run our of bullets soon"

-- Uvalde's Finest

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (guGkK)

311 291 Old story, don't know if true or not, about a couple camping in the woods. They get jumped by some thugs. Husband is held and watches while wife is raped. Weeks later, the husband is confused why wife is mad at him. There were three guys. He was being held. She told him, "You lived." In other words, there are times you come back with your shield or on it.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (EpDzw)

Same to her. Women have committed suicide to avoid being defiled before. Unlike his position where he is physically restrained(bravery isn't magic), could bite off her own tongue.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (b2nrj)

312 If there is no justice, but people demand justice, then the people will at some point, render justice.

Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (Vr12I)

313 You're painting with a mighty wide brush there...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 21, 2022 04:51 PM (bs+z0)

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Am I though?

100% of the police there.... Inside and outside....
FAILED.

It isn't just Uvalde... If they were about their sh.t.... theyd be deployed.

They PRETEND to be warriors.
Fact.

Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (+ozEO)

314 277 White House:

“Right now, we don’t see a recession. We are not in a recession right now.

Right now, we’re in a transition where we will go into a place of stable and steady growth, and that’s going to be our focus.”
___________

If we believe it, it will come! We'll all stand in a circle and hold hands and chant "Growth will come! Growth will come! Growth will come!" while our shaman weaves around and through our group with his lighted incense stick.

Growth will come, because we need it to come and we believe that it will come and the woke secular gods promised us that it would come if we would just sacrifice enough babies to them, and we did, so it's guaran-damn-teed to come!

Posted by: Biden's white house brain trust at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (MvHI3)

315 Uvalde PD should be defunded
the citizens are certainly not getting what they paid for
**

FWIW, this is the goal of the left and of Democrats.

Federal control of local police forces is the end goal.

Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (g7CEa)

316 If they thought he had a roomful of kids but didn't realize he had shot them
Posted by: Lambert

------------
The problem is that too many of the public have seen how assertive the police can be when someone is not wearing a mask, or when they are video recording on the street, or when they are sleeping at home and the police have the wrong address on the warrant.

They are brutal at all the wrong times, and cowards when kids are dying.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (8T60T)

317
My phone battery was low! It needed recharging before I could issue commands!

Posted by: Chief, Uvalde PD at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (/U27+)

318 Yay, a stupid pride month survey from my institution for me to fill out!

Is it mandatory? No? Well...into the delete file it goes.
Posted by: Thrawn at June 21, 2022 05:02 PM


At the University where I don't teach anymore, about a third of the faculty have yet to announce their pronouns and post on their email.signature block. Heh heh

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (anj39)

319 Everyone who had any authority used all their power to facilitate this at . every . single . fucking . step .

No one wants to be "that guy" that arrests some tranny dreamer freak when he was "just turning his life around".

In Heritage America the freak would have never gotten a gun without any red flag laws...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:06 PM (ESjRY)

320 The teacher in the room confirms the guy was shooting for a long time. One of the kids in the other room called for help, he went over and shot her. While the police listened to it all. Pleas for help, gunshots. Fuck them all to hell.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (Pc/Ee)

321 Okay, I am still just managing to process this because it seems impossible. So I have prayed, and I will continue to pray. It won’t negate my next words, however.

Please, take these “officers”, especially this yahoo Arredondo, and provide for all of us a historical reenactment of Texas Justice back in the day, old school Ranger style.

Ps. I am Native American (Indigenous for those lurking from the left), .enough for it to actually matter, and I do know the role of the Ranger. So hop to it, cowboys.

Posted by: Piper at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (FXYsU)

322 Legally it's hard to game out what happens because municipalities are pretty independent of all other levels of government, especially the state. Probably would take some big lawsuits bankrupting the city to get some change, but that will take a long time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (trdmm)

323 Boy there sure are a lot of strange coincidences that line up really well for the left's propaganda push going into the convention. Everyone who had any authority used all their power to facilitate this at . every . single . fucking . step .

Strange how that worked out.
Posted by: banana Dream at June 21, 2022 05:05 PM (0fVbu)
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That's what I'm saying.

Just too much is messed up about this.

Unless pensioneering is all that goes on in "law enforcement" anymore.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (krQz2)

324 >Wow. He’s gay whatever. What is really retarded is his degree. Peace and Conflict Resolution. First off what the fuck kind of degree is that? At best that is a book assigned in a poli-sci class but not an entire degree."

It's the kind of degree a Trust Fund baby who sticks "IV" onto his name gets so he can use it and his huge wad of inherited monay to lord over everyone around him for the rest of his life.

The National Topsider hasn't been the same since he left.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (44ww/)

325 Federal control of local police forces is the end goal.

There is where Abbott should be driving this.

But the guy has less 'nads then Kristi Noem.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:07 PM (ESjRY)

326 Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (MvHI3)

If their radios didn't work, how would they have known?

I am terribly afraid that it's all true, that they knew and still held back, but I'd like to hold onto my scant hope that they did not know the children had been shot.

It's too horrific to accept the alternative, although I am almost there.

Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:08 PM (qxetU)

327 But I'm crazy because I thought it was an op


TBF that should be crazy. That the cops would stand outside the door listening to kids getting executed for an hour, even though they had perp out gunned and a shield.

They were there as the CLEAN UP crew.

Posted by: we are living in an appallingly dirty joke - but no mean tweets at June 21, 2022 05:08 PM (RQZcD)

328 We need common-sense chicken-shit control.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:08 PM (krQz2)

329 Poster above has it right-
disband the Uvalde PD. They are literally useless.

The people still have the country sheriff's department.

Posted by: DB at June 21, 2022 05:08 PM (geLO8)

330 > Right now, we don’t see a recession. We are not in a recession right now.

They'll hang their hat on the technicality that it's not a recession until it's declared a recession. That declaration only happens months after the fact.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (kDGvA)

331 you might get fired, yelled at, ostracized

but no one goes to jail for doing nothing

Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (us2H3)

332
I am terribly afraid that it's all true, that they knew and still held back, but I'd like to hold onto my scant hope that they did not know the children had been shot.


The cops weren't worried about those kids' lives. They were worried about their own. They literally confirmed it.

That is the bare truth.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (ESjRY)

333 More training. Need tactical response units. MRAPs, bomb dogs, Seal Team 6, $342 billion.

Ham and eggers, just need more money.

Posted by: MJ at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (zwDuR)

334 This bullsh*t is the antithesis of being a Texan.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (a3Q+t)

335 Afternoon. Has it been determined who had jurisdiction over the fiasco? I keep reading Uvalde Police. But is that the school district dept. force with Chief Arrendondo and his 5 officers or the Uvalde City PD that was in charge?

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (ju2Fy)

336 Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 04:49 PM (qxetU)

Your theory does not comport with the known facts. One of the children made a 911 call asking for help well after 3 minutes into the shooting.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (vN+oL)

337 277 White House:

“Right now, we don’t see a recession. We are not in a recession right now.

Posted by: SMOD

///////

just as honest and likely accurate as their prediction that our Afghan 'allies' would be able to stay in power once we left

Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (OuH7W)

338
They'll hang their hat on the technicality that it's not a recession until it's declared a recession. That declaration only happens months after the fact.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (kDGvA)

_________

It's not a recession until WE say it's a recession!

Posted by: Senator John Blutarsky at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (/U27+)

339 There is going to be frontier justice over this.
Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)
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Well, that would be more justice than there has been so far.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (krQz2)

340 You want Seal Team 6. Be honest. You will get Meal Team 6.

Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (Vr12I)

341 Only now is it revealed: Nope, not locked. They just never bothered checking it.
council feels "intimidated" by their presence.


pretty certain i'd be incarcerated by now how my kid died in that school as i would be leqv___ a metric fuck ton of cowards dead at my feet for this bs.

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (UgAdJ)

342 Remember, there's the Uvalde PD, and the Uvalde School PD.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 21, 2022 05:11 PM (a3Q+t)

343 but no one goes to jail for doing nothing
Posted by: REDACTED at

///////

this is what legacy Americans would describe as the rule of "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

eventually, you can't do nothing without going room temp

Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:11 PM (OuH7W)

344 Never heard whether they had windows in the classroom. Why not at least determine if you could get a sniper shot through a window into this guys rotten melon?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 05:11 PM (VJFAr)

345 "You lived." In other words, there are times you come back with your shield or on it.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 05:01 PM (EpDzw)

Not to be trivial but one of the comments I remembered by Vin Scully was how he described Dodgers pitcher Jerry Ruess being carried from the mound on his shield after getting shellaced in the first inning.

Posted by: Beartooth at June 21, 2022 05:11 PM (kCBQ3)

346 What's the weather like? Can they all wait outside the doors for the Council to exit?

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (K58O6)

347 Hey!
Why the controversy?

We ALL made it home safe!

Posted by: Uvalde police at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (wdoTP)

348 They'll hang their hat on the technicality that it's not a recession until it's declared a recession. That declaration only happens months after the fact.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (kDGvA)


that's a good way to lose your hat

with your head in it

Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (us2H3)

349 252 There is going to be frontier justice over this.

Posted by: alexthechick at June 21, 2022 04:55 PM (LMZFu)

*****

I'm sorry, but there won't be. That video showed one cop kicking everyone out because the council felt "intimidated". You know who wasn't intimidated? The cop. He felt perfectly comfortable kicking everyone else out, including parents of those school kids.

Why? Because he knew there wouldn't be frontier justice. And there wasn't.

Posted by: Ed at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (Ae67h)

350 “Right now, we don’t see a recession. We are not in a recession right now.

Posted by: SMOD
///////
just as honest and likely accurate as their prediction that our Afghan 'allies' would be able to stay in power once we left
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (OuH7W)
***
And men can become pregnant.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (anj39)

351 When seconds count, the cops are seconds away controlling the crowd of people who want to help you out.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (krQz2)

352 340 You want Seal Team 6. Be honest. You will get Meal Team 6.
Posted by: kraken

////////

reminder that with Bernie Go--tz and the Central Park wilding rapists and Rittenhouse etc etc, the leftists will go after you or go after the verdict forever and ever.

Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (OuH7W)

353 Posted by: Moron Robbie is not enjoying the Amber Heard presidency at June 21, 2022 04:59 PM (g7CEa)

Again, I have to assume the children were not calling each officer individually, but rather 911.

911 sends out their information to officers on scene via radios, which we have been told did not work inside the school.

Which doesn't excuse those outside, of course.

Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:13 PM (qxetU)

354 eventually, you can't do nothing without going room temp
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:11 PM (OuH7W)

Oh, I dunno

I'm 70 and I'm still cold blooded

Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:13 PM (us2H3)

355 Are all cops bad or cowardly pussies? No.

But I've seen zero evidence that suggests that a single person the Uvalde police force is a hero, a public servant or even a decent human being.

I still stand by my gut reaction when all of this started to come out - jail time needs to be served by a large chunk of their force. The blaming and excuses are all rendered hollow by the fact that an off-duty BP agent with a borrowed gun came in and did the job that these pussies refused to do.

Posted by: Citizen Freeman at June 21, 2022 05:13 PM (FPuSC)

356 Meanwhile, congress is busy passing laws to ban the purchase of bullet resistant body armor.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (llsW/)

357 Turns out the doors are only lockable from the outside - which makes sense, in case there is a fire or nuclear explosion or some other reason (such as a shooter) the kids would need to exit quickly without having to deal with a locked door.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (K58O6)

358 crikey at my typos.

leaving not leqv___

Posted by: BifBewalski @ (UgAdJ) - at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (UgAdJ)

359 There is going to be frontier justice over this.
--------------------
No way. These guys will fail upward. The system rewards caution and a feminine disposition.

Posted by: MJ at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (zwDuR)

360 I know this has been expressed many times before me but I just cannot in any way fathom a group of grown adults who are armed just standing there, knowing full well what was going on on the other side of that door. It makes me physically ill. It's incomprehensible.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (Xrfse)

361 I'm sorry, but there won't be. That video showed one cop kicking everyone out because the council felt "intimidated". You know who wasn't intimidated? The cop. He felt perfectly comfortable kicking everyone else out, including parents of those school kids.

Why? Because he knew there wouldn't be frontier justice. And there wasn't.
Posted by: Ed at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (Ae67h)
***

Every parent there should of bung outside the door and waited for that muthafh*ka to leave the meeting.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (anj39)

362 In the Texas Clock tower shooting - the cops engaged the shooter as soon as they got on site.

The shooting was ended by a couple of cops and a book store employee going up the tower and confronting the shooter personally. Since they outnumbered him 3 to 1 they had the advantage and killed him.

The Uvalde cops had better equipment and eventually outnumbered the tranny spree killer by more then a dozen to one and still wouldn't go in.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (ESjRY)

363 331 you might get fired, yelled at, ostracized

but no one goes to jail for doing nothing

Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (us2H3)

Don't pay your taxes...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (ynpvh)

364 Well, I for one think frontier justice is called for in this instance.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (KjFHZ)

365 There is going to be frontier justice over this.
Posted by: alexthechick


That's a terrible thing to say!

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (D6lWx)

366
If their radios didn't work, how would they have known?
____________

They knew because cops who were outside the school, and whose radios were working, heard about the 911 calls from the kids inside with the shooter, and they told the cops inside -- and still they did nothing.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (MvHI3)

367 340 You want Seal Team 6. Be honest. You will get Meal Team 6.

Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (Vr12I)

---------

This will eventually lead to local Creole Team 6 groups a la the Cajun Navy during Katrina IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (oK3pW)

368 A complete and total FUBAR by police and the corrective action is to deprive 150 million legal gun owners their God given and Constitutionally protected rights to self defense.

Thinking this was not ineptitude but n op, just like all of the Biden junta incompetence.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (WKPeU)

369 Posted by: Ted Torgerson at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (vN+oL)

911 communicates information to cops in the field by radio, which were not working. (At least not inside the school.)

Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (qxetU)

370 The cops weren't worried about those kids' lives. They were worried about their own.

I mean, what other conclusion can you draw? They faced choices, and picked which life they thought was more important.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (llsW/)

371 335 Afternoon. Has it been determined who had jurisdiction over the fiasco? I keep reading Uvalde Police. But is that the school district dept. force with Chief Arrendondo and his 5 officers or the Uvalde City PD that was in charge?
Posted by: olddog in mo at June 21, 2022 05:09 PM (ju2Fy)

One other question that hasn't been answered yet. There was a SRO assigned to the school who wasn't there. He was on the road going towards the school. Coming from where? his boyfriend's place? Donut shop? Secret napping place?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (N39Ws)

372 351 When seconds count, the cops are seconds away controlling the crowd of people who want to help you out.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (krQz2)

This.

You're your own first responder. Always have been. No one is coming to save you.

Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (+ozEO)

373 How many people were on that city council?

And not one functional testicle among them.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (sWM8x)

374 "As long as we don't get any frontier psychiatrist."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE


Where else other than AOS would someone mention "frontier psychiatrist"? It's just one of the many reasons I come here .

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (cCxiu)

375 Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (anj39)


******

Yeah, they should have.

But they didn't.

Shame on us.

Posted by: Ed at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (Ae67h)

376 If I had the power of the Almighty for just one minute, I would swap out every cop who sat there with the children being murdered.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (ayPF8)

377 369 Posted by: Ted Torgerson at June 21, 2022 05:10 PM (vN+oL)

911 communicates information to cops in the field by radio, which were not working. (At least not inside the school.)
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (qxetU)

Still doesn't stop 1 or 2 officers from saying "Fuck it. Lets get it done".

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:16 PM (N39Ws)

378 WARNING, Ace!

You have these two statements - one from the TxDPS chief, and yours - and they are NOT the same:

"Note that they've been pushing this claim that the door was locked, and they had to wait to have the keys brought to them, for two months now.
Only now is it revealed: Nope, not locked. They just never bothered checking it."

...is not the same as ...

"According to state police, the gunman entered the school through an exterior door propped open by a teacher, but McGraw stated that the door had been closed & could only be locked from the outside.
"There's no way for her to know the door is locked," McGraw said."

The door referenced in testimony is the EXTERIOR door through which he entered the school, NOT the classroom door.

Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:17 PM (+Lvag)

379 "...Thinking this was not ineptitude but n op,"

Any news on the federal reconnaissance plane circling around the AO at the time?
And, yes, there was one.
So, I agree.
An op.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 21, 2022 05:17 PM (jTmQV)

380 There's something deeply disturbing and frankly thoroughly sinister about the way that these municipalities respond to citizens and, and, yes, journalists. I can't get rid of the dark suspicion that this response and the response to parents from School Boards is driven almost entirely by Federal dollars being conditionally allocated to compliant elected officials. Who is paying for the lawyers there in Uvalde? Who hired them, sent them, and who's agenda are they protecting? I have a very hard time not thinking that somewhere there was a phone call to this Arredondo character to just let this thing happen. Sad state of affairs.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at June 21, 2022 05:17 PM (2Jd8G)

381 If frontier justice was going to happen, pretty sure it would have by now.

Posted by: Citizen Freeman at June 21, 2022 05:17 PM (FPuSC)

382 911 communicates information to cops in the field by radio, which were not working. (At least not inside the school.)
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Again, this is a big part of the problem. No one thought to pick up a fucking phone? Every one of these fat POS had a phone in their pocket but couldn't make a decision to use it.


Posted by: MJ at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (zwDuR)

383 I'm sorry, but there won't be. That video showed one cop kicking everyone out because the council felt "intimidated". You know who wasn't intimidated? The cop. He felt perfectly comfortable kicking everyone else out, including parents of those school kids.

Why? Because he knew there wouldn't be frontier justice. And there wasn't.
Posted by: Ed at June 21, 2022 05:12 PM (Ae67h)

one of the mind-boggling things about Mexicans is how subservient they tend to be in the face of oppression. I guess it's a habit picked up from centuries of being oppressed by everybody. And Uvalde is about as Mexican a town as you can find in Texas these days.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (trdmm)

384 If I had the power of the Almighty for just one minute, I would swap out every cop who sat there with the children being murdered.
Posted by: Anna Puma


15 seconds and there wouldn't be a democrat left.

Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (OzJjC)

385 Every one of those fuckers daydreams about kicking in a citizen's door to confiscate his guns. You think you are scared going into an elementary school? Wait until you get to my house.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (Pc/Ee)

386 Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 05:15 PM (MvHI3)

You're breaking my heart.

I have been trying so hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (qxetU)

387 In the Texas Clock tower shooting - the cops engaged the shooter as soon as they got on site.

The shooting was ended by a couple of cops and a book store employee going up the tower and confronting the shooter personally. Since they outnumbered him 3 to 1 they had the advantage and killed him.


Know who else engaged the shooter? A bunch of students who pulled rifles out of their vehicles.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (kDGvA)

388 I'm not excusing any of those cops. They acted shamefully. But I guarantee every one of them was thinking, "What if the shooter is black? Or an illegal?"

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (m0zqP)

389 “We Cannot Let America Become a Nation of Conspiracy Theories” — Liz Cheney

Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (LTLE1)

390 You know many of those cops went in and saw those little bodies blown apart. No idea how anyone could live with themselves after seeing that. Suicides are next.

Posted by: dartist at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (+ya+t)

391 But lets completely alter the way Americans buy guns because of this law enforcement fuck up. We cant let Matthew McConaughey down.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (CLrvk)

392 The Uvalde cops had better equipment and eventually outnumbered the tranny spree killer by more then a dozen to one and still wouldn't go in.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 05:14 PM (ESjRY)

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It's almost as if the intentional societal & cultural emasculation of men has led to a mass formation of male cowardice ... or something.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (oK3pW)

393 As already mentioned, they had a tool to pop that door open like an oyster. Locked or not they didn't even try.

Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (vrz2I)

394 There is going to be frontier justice over this.
Posted by: alexthechick
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There should be.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 21, 2022 05:19 PM (sWM8x)

395 The ball is in Paxton's court. I want to see what he does with it and how soon he does it.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2022 05:19 PM (wU5bP)

396 with the bitching that the Wide Latinx was doing over today's ruling

I'd say the Roe decision is baked

Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:19 PM (us2H3)

397 I know granny survived being shot in the face. Last I read she was awake and responsive. I don't give a fat rats ass if she's "recovering". She needs to be questioned.

Posted by: jewells45 at June 21, 2022 05:19 PM (nxdel)

398 Know who else engaged the shooter? A bunch of students who pulled rifles out of their vehicles.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (kDGvA)

And a Mexican janitor or something like that

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (mR6Gs)

399 >If frontier justice was going to happen, pretty sure it would have by now.


I imagine they are laying pretty low. With armed protection, of course.

Posted by: davidt at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (oTZbj)

400 I'm not excusing any of those cops. They acted shamefully. But I guarantee every one of them was thinking, "What if the shooter is black? Or an illegal?"
Posted by: BeckoningChasm
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Nope, I dont buy that for a minute. It looks like most cops were Hispanic anyway. They were scared and in the wrong profession if they cant do their job.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (CLrvk)

401 Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (trdmm)

*****

There were Anglos in that group of parents in the video as well.

Posted by: Ed at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (Ae67h)

402 > Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (trdmm)

Might also explain the inaction of the cops.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (kDGvA)

403 389 “We Cannot Let America Become a Nation of Conspiracy Theories” — Liz Cheney

Posted by: SMOD at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (LTLE1)

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I wish her dad would take her hunting.

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (oK3pW)

404 393 As already mentioned, they had a tool to pop that door open like an oyster. Locked or not they didn't even try.
Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (vrz2I)

And in trying, it is quite possible they would have distracted the shooter (a good thing) thus minimizing rounds going into little kids.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:21 PM (N39Ws)

405 Police also have battering rams for opening locked doors.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 21, 2022 04:32 PM (Y5qcH)

If it's a standard anti-active-shooter door (which they've been putting on classrooms for the last 20 years) then the battering ram won't do a lot. Neither will breaching rounds. Those doors are specifically designed to stop people with guns from getting inside the classroom.

Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:21 PM (+Lvag)

406 When the police are yards away ... they'll let your kids be shot, bleed out and die because they don't want to get hurt.

Back the blue, they just want to make it home safe each night.

Your kids? What do they care.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 21, 2022 05:21 PM (3cBEw)

407 384 If I had the power of the Almighty for just one minute, I would swap out every cop who sat there with the children being murdered.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Every adult in Uvalde would have traded places with one of those kids. Every one except the police.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (Pc/Ee)

408 The shooting was ended by a couple of cops and a book store employee going up the tower and confronting the shooter personally

Back when America was so serious, even BOOK STORE employees that the nads....

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (mR6Gs)

409 I know the Supremes said that the Cops have no Legal duty to protect...
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 21, 2022 04:30 PM (oHd/0)


It's not that broad. The ruling was that there is no Constitutional duty to protect. But the duties of the police are spelled out in the charters of the city or the municipality under which they operate. If their charter assigns them to be a protective force, such an assignment would not be repugnant to the Constitution, and they would be liable under their failure to perform an assigned duty.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (K58O6)

410 384 If I had the power of the Almighty for just one minute, I would swap out every cop who sat there with the children being murdered.
Posted by: Anna Puma


15 seconds and there wouldn't be a democrat left.
Posted by: rickb223 TEXIT at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (OzJjC)

You spent the other 14 seconds cloning the hottest women on the planet didn't you?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (b2nrj)

411 "Mr. Clinger, do you know why I stopped you?"

"No."

"You're tags are expired."

"Is this gonna take 70 minutes, you chicken shit?"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (eh1Wg)

412 400
Nope, I dont buy that for a minute. It looks like most cops were Hispanic anyway. They were scared and in the wrong profession if they cant do their job.
Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (CLrvk)

Wonder what the chances are that being on the Uvalde School System Police Dept was nothing but a patronage job? Not unlike the US Capitol Police.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (N39Ws)

413 Liz Cheney needs to go hunting with Jean Francois Cary and Joey Bidet

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (ayPF8)

414 I am a Traditionalist; I naturally want to respect all LEO, teachers, medical professionals, CEOs, priests and Popes, and others in positions of authority.

But what has been driven into my thick skull with great force over the past decade or so is that they are just like any other group of humans you could name.

Some are great folks, salt of the earth types who will invariably do the right thing, no matter the circumstances. The others are horribly broken with no sense of morality, fair play, or decency.

It used to be easier to ID them.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (pTyJa)

415 402 > Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (trdmm)

Might also explain the inaction of the cops.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 05:20 PM (kDGvA)

At one time I would have said it explained the corruption as well, but now I believe that cops of all races, creeds, and colors are very well versed in the corruption game.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (trdmm)

416 I remember when Boston was attacked, and a bunch of assholes said "This would never happen in the South!". Reality says otherwise, Texans are just as cowardly, and pathetic as any Cloggenstein..

Posted by: BPT at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (U5MHY)

417 I wonder what magic twist in the common sense gun laws placed forth by Beto and McConaughey could have further mitigated the damage.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (0ocXn)

418 huh, zerohedge pointing out today's current biden. "hey, let's impose price caps on oil we import."

class, can any of you say what happens when you put price caps on a commodity?

Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (OuH7W)

419 "You don't have to wait for bulletproof shields when children are bleeding out and there's a single shooter and you have a lot of men and weapons and you're also wearing body armor. Go in and take him down."

Sorry, Ace, but you don't know anything about the tactics of entering a hostile room.

Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (+Lvag)

420 Reading along and agree with lots but might wait for next thread

Posted by: Skip at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (2JoB8)

421 Where was their MRAP. Every police department has an MRAP now.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (Pc/Ee)

422 Not a single Democrat left?

I am a person of less grandiose desires, I just want all those cowards in uniform to experience what they let happen to children.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (ayPF8)

423 my guess since the Uvalde shooting

dozens have been shot while the cops were sitting in their cruisers

cops are notoriously slow learners but eventualy they get the message

Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (us2H3)

424 Why didn't somebody drive their truck through the window? Or is that the wrong question?

Posted by: Eromero at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (0OP+5)

425 Sorry, Ace, but you don't know anything about the tactics of entering a hostile room.
Posted by: GWB

Let him expend his ammo on the innocents first. Breach the door while he is reloading.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (Pc/Ee)

426 Wonder what the chances are that being on the Uvalde School System Police Dept was nothing but a patronage job? Not unlike the US Capitol Police.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (N39Ws)

A job where all you do is sit on your ass and yell at kids for part of the day, when you're not hanging out at your house or pretending you "gotta be somewhere"? Yeah, what are the chances??

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (trdmm)

427 Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:18 PM (trdmm)

We must know and be related to very different types of Mexican, none of whom should be held up as an example of them all ffs.

Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (qxetU)

428 The Uvalde cops had better equipment and eventually outnumbered the tranny spree killer by more then a dozen to one and still wouldn't go in.

HR says we need twenty to one. And the guy had TWO AR's, so make that forty to one.

Posted by: The Steadfast Heros of Uvalde at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (D6lWx)

429 Wonder what the chances are that being on the Uvalde School System Police Dept was nothing but a patronage job? Not unlike the US Capitol Police.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (N39Ws)


Virtually every municipality in the country knows that about 'city jobs'.

Posted by: davidt at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (oTZbj)

430 Listen to this short video clip, from 2016. Professor Mearsheimer, who is previously famous for being sort of anti-Israeli, is prescient on why Russia/Ukraine was going to be a serious problem. Unfortunately, he thinks no matter what happens in Ukraine, both Russia and America will be weakened and China will probably then start a war with the U.S.

https://tinyurl.com/2uxvwhhz

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (LMqi6)

431 He spent the other 14 seconds making sure he had 8^3 clones of Kate Upton.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (ayPF8)

432 "I am the warrior that stands between you and evil.".....
Except when I want to make sure that I go home no matter what.

Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (+ozEO)

433 The more I learn about this story, the more I realize I need to carry as much as Possible.

Posted by: Picric at June 21, 2022 05:26 PM (13tTk)

434 "Why didn't somebody drive their truck through the window?"

Walker Texas Ranger would done that, jumped out and shot the gun out the punk's hands, and then proceed to beat him to a pulp but nobody would seem to care.

Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (vrz2I)

435 Cops should have lit a fire. I am sure the FD would have had the balls to breach the door and save the kids. Right? The FD would save the kids, right?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (Pc/Ee)

436 We must know and be related to very different types of Mexican, none of whom should be held up as an example of them all ffs.
Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:24 PM (qxetU)

maybe so. as I think of it, it's probably true of most of the 3rd world that those societies have wolves, and sheep, and very little in between.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (trdmm)

437 We're seeing the probable direction the country will take for the foreseeable future with regards to law enforcement. Only "some" people are worthy of protection... others, not so much.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (BFigT)

438 >>>Sorry, Ace, but you don't know anything about the tactics of entering a hostile room.
Posted by: GWB

If your tactics don't include entering the room before the 4th graders all bleed out, then there's not much use to them, is it?

Posted by: Match Checksout at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (dYe5S)

439 405
If it's a standard anti-active-shooter door (which they've been putting on classrooms for the last 20 years) then the battering ram won't do a lot. Neither will breaching rounds. Those doors are specifically designed to stop people with guns from getting inside the classroom.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:21 PM (+Lvag)


TESAR-4 (yellow color-coded cap) has a 750-grain copper/S-70 steel frangible slug and a velocity of 1,285 fps. It is designed for Class 3 heavy steel doors and defeats Class 3 doors, locks, and hinges.

TESAR-5 (blue color-coded cap) has a 500-grain copper frangible slug and a velocity of 1,450 fps. It is designed for metal doors, locks, and hinges and defeats heavy locks, cross-bolts, and hinges (steel doors/steel frames).

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (N39Ws)

440 The more I learn about this story, the more I realize I need to carry as much as Possible.
Posted by: Picric

Yep - and what states/cities/municipalities/stores I will no longer visit or patronize.

Posted by: Tonypete at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (pTyJa)

441 Where was their MRAP. Every police department has an MRAP now.

They're saving them exclusively for deployment against "insurrectionists" and deplorables.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (Xrfse)

442 >>> 430 Listen to this short video clip, from 2016. Professor Mearsheimer, who is previously famous for being sort of anti-Israeli, is prescient on why Russia/Ukraine was going to be a serious problem. Unfortunately, he thinks no matter what happens in Ukraine, both Russia and America will be weakened and China will probably then start a war with the U.S.

https://tinyurl.com/2uxvwhhz
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (LMqi6)

CHYna is probably more interested in reclaiming Taiwan. The problem is how much help Justin Castreau and our own left coast would offer them.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (llON8)

443 435 Cops should have lit a fire. I am sure the FD would have had the balls to breach the door and save the kids. Right? The FD would save the kids, right?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (Pc/Ee)

Well we haven't heard "All Firemen are Bastards"

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (N39Ws)

444 It's entirely possible that the involved officers feel tremendous shame or guilt over those events.
It's equally possible that they feel absolutely nothing, no guilt, no shame, no sense of responsibility whatsoever.
There are those types of people, you know.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (jTmQV)

445 so, there's like a tactical excuse for doing nothing? "you see, the door required a 5.223 medium grade penetrator selector..."

AND YET ONE GUY RUSHED IN AND KILLED THE KID

Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (OuH7W)

446 I'd say the Roe decision is baked

Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:19 PM (us2H3)

What does ''is baked" mean? Overturned or not?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (FZ2cV)

447 the cops should hire Zelensky to be their spokeman

making people believe that you are doing something while you do nothing is a marketable talent

Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (us2H3)

448 If it is Meal Team Six, the MRAP is used to haul the MREs.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 21, 2022 05:30 PM (ayPF8)

449 If your tactics don't include entering the room before the 4th graders all bleed out, then there's not much use to them, is it?

Posted by: Match Checksout at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (dYe5S)



You were probably unaware.

The guns, the drones, the body armor, the assault vehicles, the helmets, batons, motorcycles, the helicopters.

Those toys are for protecting cops, not citizens.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 05:30 PM (eh1Wg)

450 Nood.

Apparently enjoying nature is now racist.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:30 PM (N39Ws)

451 What does ''is baked" mean? Overturned or not?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (FZ2cV)

yes

Posted by: REDACTED at June 21, 2022 05:30 PM (us2H3)

452 Posted by: Tom Servo at June 21, 2022 05:27 PM (trdmm)

That we can agree on!

Posted by: Lambert Says at June 21, 2022 05:30 PM (qxetU)

453 AND YET ONE GUY RUSHED IN AND KILLED THE KID
Posted by: sockamster-moderate level poster at June 21, 2022 05:29 PM (OuH7W)



He was unfamiliar with the tactics of entering a hostile room.

Or he just wasn't a chicken shit.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (eh1Wg)

454 Sorry, Ace, but you don't know anything about the tactics of entering a hostile room.
Posted by: GWB
==

Thank God that the border patrol did what Ace is suggesting.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (WKPeU)

455 442 >>> 430 Listen to this short video clip, from 2016. Professor Mearsheimer, who is previously famous for being sort of anti-Israeli, is prescient on why Russia/Ukraine was going to be a serious problem. Unfortunately, he thinks no matter what happens in Ukraine, both Russia and America will be weakened and China will probably then start a war with the U.S.

https://tinyurl.com/2uxvwhhz
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Break The Teachers Unions at June 21, 2022 05:25 PM (LMqi6)

CHYna is probably more interested in reclaiming Taiwan. The problem is how much help Justin Castreau and our own left coast would offer them.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (llON

Them superseding us as world superpower means a war with us eventually. It's mostly a matter of when, unless we collapse on our own first.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (b2nrj)

456 419 "You don't have to wait for bulletproof shields when children are bleeding out and there's a single shooter and you have a lot of men and weapons and you're also wearing body armor. Go in and take him down."

Sorry, Ace, but you don't know anything about the tactics of entering a hostile room.
Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:23 PM (+Lvag)

And the "sit on your ass" tactic allowed a bunch of children to die, some of them bleeding out when they could have been saved.


Posted by: Moki at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (JrN/x)

457 Wonder what the chances are that being on the Uvalde School System Police Dept was nothing but a patronage job? Not unlike the US Capitol Police.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:22 PM (N39Ws)


Somebody pointed out to me that being in a line of work where you lead people into incredibly dangerous situations requires that the people following you, and the people next to you, and the people leading you, have your back and your full support. If you don't have that then no one follows and no one leads.

I am going to guess the Uvalde PD is a snake pit, which is a leadership issue from the top and the culture all the way down to the receptionist.
The fact that the first thing the chief did was get a lawyer to threaten the city council makes me guess the whole office was run that way.

Posted by: Kindltot at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (xhaym)

458 Has there been more from or about the BPman who took out the perp?


Or is there an embargo on info about a hero.

Posted by: davidt at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (oTZbj)

459 388 I'm not excusing any of those cops. They acted shamefully. But I guarantee every one of them was thinking, "What if the shooter is black? Or an illegal?"
________

No doubt some of them were thinking that, but the biggest problem here seems to have been the so-called chief Arredondo, who clearly had political ambitions (he'd already run for and won a seat on the Uvalde city council), and seems to have been doing as little as possible himself, while ordering the other cops to also do nothing.

Is Arredondo just a massive coward, a blithering incompetent, a politically-correct asshole who was fearful of shooting at anyone, lest he accidentally hit the wrong person and spoil his budding political career? Or is he some rotten combination of all three? I suppose we'll find out eventually, but I'm not sure anybody is going to care. Arredondo was clearly ludicrously unfit for the role he had taken on, and innocent kids are now dead because of it, and nothing is ever going to change that.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (MvHI3)

460 In fairness.there should be a bunch of gun cleaning accidents in the Uvalde sheriff's office

Posted by: Y5 at June 21, 2022 05:32 PM (p+LvP)

461 Arredondo's hands are dripping with the blood of those children and teachers. I pray he sees it every time he closes his eyes.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2022 05:32 PM (wU5bP)

462 'm not excusing any of those cops. They acted shamefully. But I guarantee every one of them was thinking, "What if the shooter is black? Or an illegal?"



Bs

Posted by: Y5 at June 21, 2022 05:32 PM (p+LvP)

463 Do you know that today is World Naked Hiking Day?

Posted by: N.L. Urker, my trench is full of chickens at June 21, 2022 05:32 PM (VdGjU)

464 This is the first time I've heard that no one had an accurate diagram of the school's layout. So they had a dedicated school police department, but none of those highly trained law enforcement professionals ever thought of securing floor plans of the schools?

Utter fucking ridiculous bullshit.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 21, 2022 05:34 PM (sWM8x)

465 >You know many of those cops went in and saw those little bodies blown apart. No idea how anyone could live with themselves after seeing that. Suicides are next.

All of you excuse makers seem to be forgetting about what was going on outside the whole time with parents willing to rush the school but instead they made sure to arrest those people.

I don't give a damn how they feeeeeel because this ended up being their fault. If any off themselves then I won't shed a tear. Had they engaged and not ran off pissing themselves and wanting permission, or concocting some other stupid, cowardly excuse, then the number of little blown apart bodies could have been far less or closer to zero.

Maybe it was a lie that they engaged the perp at all, but as I recall, that's one part of the story here that they *were* shot at and exchanged fire early on - but instead of continuing to engage like they should have, they instead ran away with their cunts between their legs.

So now an entire classroom of kids are dead because these pussies disengaged, then stood around waiting for a real man to show up. Suicide would be too good for Uvalde PD, really

Posted by: Citizen Freeman at June 21, 2022 05:37 PM (FPuSC)

466 Ken Paxton Texas AG "It was gods will" That the door was unlocked.

Posted by: exodus 21:22-25 at June 21, 2022 05:38 PM (E7uAR)

467 Hooligan tool or a Halligan tool ?

Posted by: Fox2! at June 21, 2022 05:39 PM (0Ua/E)

468 Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 05:28 PM (N39Ws)

OK. And did the cops there have ANY of those? Do the cops in YOUR neighborhood have them?

This is one of my complaints about the fortress mentality of "hardening" schools - when you build things to keep people out, you also, often, lock yourself IN.

(And, yes, this school room apparently had windows - ones which opened - and they could have used that, as well.)

Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:39 PM (+Lvag)

469 463 Do you know that today is World Naked Hiking Day?

why can't *every* day be world naked hiking day?

Posted by: kulak anachronda at June 21, 2022 05:39 PM (v3pYe)

470 As little as possible.

What?

Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown.

Posted by: Regular joe at June 21, 2022 05:40 PM (nnp+f)

471 Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 21, 2022 05:34 PM

"In case of fire" signs are in every school I've worked in or on. They all have the basic print of each room and door in that zone.

Posted by: Fool Otto at June 21, 2022 05:41 PM (DB16e)

472 Thank God that the border patrol did what Ace is suggesting.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (WKPeU)

An hour later. And they had an appropriate stack to enter the room. And, they presumably had the key to the room.
(Note my point to Ace above that the testimony he quoted does NOT say the ROOM was unlocked.)

Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:41 PM (+Lvag)

473 464 This is the first time I've heard that no one had an accurate diagram of the school's layout. So they had a dedicated school police department, but none of those highly trained law enforcement professionals ever thought of securing floor plans of the schools?

Utter fucking ridiculous bullshit.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at June 21, 2022 05:34 PM (sWM8x)
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"All that matters is that hiring quotas based on skin color and gender were met, h8r!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 21, 2022 05:42 PM (oK3pW)

474 911 communicates information to cops in the field by radio, which were not working. (At least not inside the school.)

I don’t understand this comment. Are we supposed to believe something inherent to the school shielded or jammed their radios. If so I’d like to see the source for such a claim.

Posted by: Squid at June 21, 2022 05:42 PM (NFN9G)

475 Fuck John Cornyn. Another cowardly piece of shit.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 21, 2022 05:43 PM (wU5bP)

476 And the "sit on your ass" tactic allowed a bunch of children to die, some of them bleeding out when they could have been saved.

Posted by: Moki at June 21, 2022 05:31 PM (JrN/x)

Loads of emoting here. Not much rational thought. If you don't do the tactics correctly you end up with dead and injured cops BLOCKING the doorway for anyone else to enter and resolve the situation.

Look, I'm not absolving the cops here. But there is an awful lot of emoting and such, some of it due to an ERROR Ace makes in his editorializing with the reporting.
And it makes folks look dumb in the eyes of people who want to find a solution that isn't just as potentially bad.

Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:45 PM (+Lvag)

477 Uvalde school police

https://www.ucisd.net/Page/2120

4 officers and a chief who wears 4 star general insignia.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:48 PM (Pc/Ee)

478 I don’t understand this comment.

Posted by: Squid at June 21, 2022 05:42 PM (NFN9G)

If their radios were too cheap or on the wrong sort of band* then it's entirely possible. BP's radios are acquired so they can be used over loooooong distances, and are likely over-powered for close-in work.

(* Think 5GHz wi-fi. It has all this extra bandwidth and such, but it sucks worse than 2.4GHz at getting through walls and cutting through radio interference. I only have about 35 feet for the signal to go, and I have to switch back to 2.4GHz when at the other end of my house from the wi-fi antenna or I can get almost zero signal. Wrong frequencies, and all those concrete blocks and metal framing and steel fire doors could swamp your radio.)

Posted by: GWB at June 21, 2022 05:50 PM (+Lvag)

479 Uvalde school police

https://www.ucisd.net/Page/2120

4 officers and a chief who wears 4 star general insignia.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at June 21, 2022 05:48 PM (Pc/Ee)

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They like to pretend they're not civilians because Webster changed the definition to exclude them, due to their improper colloquial use of the term....even though International Treaty to which the US is a signatory and US Title 10 make clear that even reserve military are civilians... ONLY active duty military are NOT civilians.

F....g posers deserve dogsh.t.

Posted by: Broken Apple at June 21, 2022 05:57 PM (+ozEO)

480 I would be very skeptical that this wasn't in violation of Texas Open Meetings laws. I don't think a council member being "intimidated" by citizens is a valid reason to close a meeting. There are often quite stiff fines and sanctions associated with violations of this law.

Posted by: Armchair Lawyer at June 21, 2022 06:59 PM (KfAcr)

481 Look, I'm not absolving the cops here. But there is an awful lot of emoting and such, some of it due to an ERROR Ace makes in his editorializing with the reporting.

Yes, you are. Because everything after "but" is just bullshit.

Posted by: Here We Go Again at June 21, 2022 07:59 PM (pengW)

482 It's not necessarily true that they thought the door was locked. They might have known all along.

Posted by: Steve O at June 21, 2022 08:06 PM (XaNqP)

483 Did anyone go look in the window to see what was going on? Here we have a bunch of cops focused on the door, and a bunch of other cops securing a perimeter - did anyone try to look in the window? Seems like that kind of tactical info would have been pretty helpful.

Posted by: Penultimatum at June 21, 2022 08:28 PM (dA2bw)

484 Don't worry, they'll still get their full retirements!

Words just fail me when shit like this happens but you need to remember, police are just forensic investigators there to figure out what happened.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at June 21, 2022 09:58 PM (qZdIZ)

485 Rule #1 of Forcible entry: Check the knob.

Posted by: firecubed at June 22, 2022 01:08 AM (KJwlY)

486 479: nope. UCMJ applies to NG and Reserve.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 22, 2022 01:22 AM (CdZ4i)

487 The more that comes out the more it confirms my suspicions of a planned event. Those children were sacrificed to get the Elites their desired "gun control". What's that Stalin quote? You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. Those little ones were the eggs.

Posted by: doc182 at June 22, 2022 06:13 AM (Fk2WS)

488 The first priority is Officer Safety. The second priority is Officer Safety. The third priority is protecting their pensions.

Posted by: UncleAl at June 22, 2022 11:39 AM (+CXAm)

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