Huge: Supreme Court Rules That States Cannot Discriminate Against Religious Schools In Tuition-Assistance Plans, Clearing Way for Education Passports

Pardon the use of "education passports." What I mean is, the left has always insisted that we cannot use the same system used in some European countries in which the state simply gives a tuition voucher to a parent for a child, and then that parent chooses which school to send his child, and the voucher, to. The left has always claimed that the Constitution forbids this, at least as far as using those vouchers to pay for religious schooling -- even though it is the parent, not the state, making the decision and depositing the tuition voucher.

The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that the left's excluding of religious schools from programs in which tuition assistance is offered to parents to defray the costs of private school is unconstitutional, as it discriminates against religious choice.

"Maine has enacted a program of tuition assistance for parents who live in school districts that do not operate a secondary school of their own. Under the program, parents designate the secondary school they would like their child to attend--public or private--and the school district transmits payments to that school to help defray the costs of tuition. Most private schools are eligible to receive the payments, so long as they are 'nonsectarian,'" the majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, states. "The question presented is whether this restriction violates the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment."
"The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment protects against 'indirect coercion or penalties on the free exercise of religion, not just outright prohibitions,'" the opinion states. "A State's antiestablishment interest does not justify enactments that exclude some members of the community from an otherwise generally available public benefit because of their religious exercise."

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1 Yeet

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 21, 2022 12:13 PM (uPhXj)

2 I nooded

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 12:13 PM (VJsqe)

3 The exodus from public schools is accelerating.

Good.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 21, 2022 12:13 PM (uPhXj)

4 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)

5 Wait. I didn't think states had rights anymore.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)

6 There is nothing in the Constitution about education; it is reserved to the States.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (REJkJ)

7 Yeet
Posted by: nurse ratched

Yoot

Posted by: JT at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (arJlL)

8 6-3 . Is this a harbinger Ace?

Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (7SQac)

9 Rumors of my demise have been slightly exaggerated.

Posted by: 10th Amendment at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (fwjwo)

10 Gotta admit, I'm impressed that Maine led the way. They don't lead the way in much of anything apart from lobsters and mosquitos.

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (VJsqe)

11 10th?

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (krQz2)

12 Score one for sanity and the Constitution. This will light many a loving and tolerant leftist's hair on fire.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (WKPeU)

13 Sponge!

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (N39Ws)

14 Another step to wrenching away the leftist indoctrination of children.

There will be much wailing over this as the left doesn't biologically reproduce at replacement rates, so they've been using the schools to reproduce leftists.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (N1tpc)

15 Kindergarten groomers hardest hit.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (AiZBA)

16 Our indoctrination or no indoctrination

Thank You

The State

Posted by: BignJames at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (AwYPR)

17 But, using public money to fund a private, possibly Christian education is GOVERNMENT FORCED RELIGION you guys!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (Zz0t1)

18 Nothing would fix this country faster than a federal voucher program. Just make it a deduction on people's taxes.

I would rather have our military completely nearly completely defunded to pay for a voucher program where any parent could choose any private school to send their kid.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (CLrvk)

19
Rolling homeward. On US 59 in deep ETEX. Just cleared the Timpson-Tenaha-Bobo microplex.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (IG4lc)

20 Thus begins the long overdue course correction from the Warren Court's doctrine that any Government acknowledgement of religious faith was tantamount to establishing a state religion. Also, a rebuke to the leftist formulation that "separation of church and state" requires active hostility of the state toward the church.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (OeBYn)

21 Gotta admit, I'm impressed that Maine led the way.

Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock and the Golden Rule!

Posted by: I've got nothing at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (h5TKJ)

22 Sponge!
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (N39Ws)

Word.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (Zz0t1)

23 Hmm, this ruling seems to have some ramifications for government sanctioned discrimination, in general.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (5pTK/)

24 On face this seems to be good news...

Posted by: Inogame at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (53oGX)

25 School choice is is death to big school. Drives leftists insane.

Winegarden on suicide watch

Posted by: Redenzo at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (E7vND)

26 "The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment protects against 'indirect coercion or penalties on the free exercise of religion, not just outright prohibitions,'" the opinion states. "A State's antiestablishment interest does not justify enactments that exclude some members of the community from an otherwise generally available public benefit because of their religious exercise."
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That's one of the most straightforward things I've read in recent memory.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (WWh8n)

27 Lotus eaters were talking about a bill that might try to fence in people trying to home school.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (44ww/)

28 Anything that fucks public schools in the ass with a red-hot poker will be favored by me. But I'm not sure private or even religious schools are that much better. I know quite a few people with kids in private or religious school. They are only a few steps behind public schools in pushing woke SJW bullshit and social experimentation on kids. Give them some time. I think the entire educational establishment -- public, private, religious -- needs to be nuked from orbit. Only then can we start over.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (iFTx/)

29 Read the dissent, especially from Sotomayor. It's glorious and shows not only a complete lack of self awareness, but the petulance of liberals. It's metaphorical foot stamping and holding their breath. Not an ounce of reasoning.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (VpIIl)

30 More shocking is 3 justices wanted religious discrimination

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (yFN9y)

31 I amazed that this was even in question.

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (D6lWx)

32 School choice is is death to big school. Drives leftists insane.

Winegarden on suicide watch
Posted by: Redenzo at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (E7vND)

Good. Fuck em.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)

33 This is great, especially for people like me who sent my kids to Catholic schools.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (XSRBF)

34 Not sure if MP4 has seen this. Via American Digest, movie posters of the silent era:

https://tinyurl.com/2rbttf5z

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (5HBd1)

35 Afternoon.

Posted by: Robert at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (29M4A)

36 Government funded schools are religious schools, and the left doesnt want anyone escaping their cult teachings.

Posted by: Bete at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (a0KPx)

37 Madrassas win big

Posted by: Y5 at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (Ijkw6)

38 Progs will accept this as "part of the Constitution" in 3... 2... 1... 0... -1... -2... -3... -n... -n+1...

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (krQz2)

39 More shocking is 3 justices wanted religious discrimination
Posted by: Skip's phone at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (yFN9y)

that's shocking?

2 of those 3 aren't really qualified to be there and are hyperpartisan and should've been booted in the nomination process early on.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)

40 Read the dissent, especially from Sotomayor. It's glorious and shows not only a complete lack of self awareness, but the petulance of liberals. It's metaphorical foot stamping and holding their breath. Not an ounce of reasoning.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (VpIIl)
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Yer saying Sotomayer is every bit the legal scholar we expected?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (5pTK/)

41 This is good news for the Covenant of the Rat's Asshole.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 21, 2022 12:19 PM (QSjkU)

42 I'm reading this as overturning, On first amendment grounds, every states existing "Blaine" amendment.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 21, 2022 12:19 PM (950ZJ)

43 The Christian schools have got to step up though. Both of my girls had private Christian educations, and the liberalism was still there, loud and getting louder. I think it has something to do with liberalism getting a foothold in churches.

Posted by: Miss Issippi - TRANSparent-Pronouns Who/Where at June 21, 2022 12:19 PM (sI15f)

44 Vouchers EXACTLY when I've JUST finished paying 1/2 mil in education. Sigh.

But good, signals that their "Christian nationalist" propaganda not working.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at June 21, 2022 12:19 PM (HMTci)

45 The Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that the left's excluding of religious schools from programs in which tuition assistance is offered to parents to defray the costs of private school is unconstitutional, as it discriminates against religious choice.
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Very well. We have other ways to achieve the goal. We didn't want to use the ... fiery options, but you have left us with no choice.

Posted by: Makin's Revenge at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (WWh8n)

46 >>Read the dissent, especially from Sotomayor. It's glorious and shows not only a complete lack of self awareness, but the petulance of liberals. It's metaphorical foot stamping and holding their breath. Not an ounce of reasoning.

Well. She's a retard.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (fwjwo)

47 28 Anything that fucks public schools in the ass with a red-hot poker will be favored by me. But I'm not sure private or even religious schools are that much better. I know quite a few people with kids in private or religious school. They are only a few steps behind public schools in pushing woke SJW bullshit and social experimentation on kids. Give them some time. I think the entire educational establishment -- public, private, religious -- needs to be nuked from orbit. Only then can we start over.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (iFTx/)

This is not inaccurate but can depend on laws in the jurisdiction.
States mandate certain things occur in school.. if it's a mandate then it has to happen to be considered a school.

Posted by: Inogame at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (53oGX)

48 I know quite a few people with kids in private or religious school. They are only a few steps behind public schools in pushing woke SJW bullshit and social experimentation on kids. Give them some time. I think the entire educational establishment -- public, private, religious -- needs to be nuked from orbit. Only then can we start over.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Religious schools are very much different than your average public school. There's always exceptions, but even though I live in a conservative district with mostly conservative parents, our kid's public school is full blown woke crazy.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (CLrvk)

49 >>>Read the dissent, especially from Sotomayor. It's glorious and shows not only a complete lack of self awareness, but the petulance of liberals.

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Snide latina

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (VJsqe)

50 School choice is is death to big school. Drives leftists insane.

Well, producing a crappy product doesn't help them much either.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (anj39)

51 Sponge neither is the next to be seated

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (yFN9y)

52 Congrats to Institute for Justice and First Liberty on the big win,

Posted by: Boone at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (MhGtd)

53 Yer saying Sotomayer is every bit the legal scholar we expected?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (5pTK/)

Wait until "I don't know what a woman is" Justice starts making xer's own dissents and rulings.

Posted by: Thrawn at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (Rl7KJ)

54 Is this another one of those “narrow” conservative victories at Supreme Court that applies to this case only, or does it apply in all situations across the country? It seems that any conservative victory at SCOTUS generally applies to that one case only (like bake-the-cake) so they’re really not victories at all, leaving the left unchecked to continue doing what they just “lost” at SCOTUS.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at June 21, 2022 12:21 PM (2pLha)

55 In a sane world, this decision will pave the way for a wholesale reconsideration -- and eventual Heisman -- of the idiotic, politically-motivated "separation of church and state" doctrine. That doctrine has gone so far astray from the establishment clause as to function as a free-roving anti-religious tool for leftists to stamp out any trace of religion almost anywhere.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2022 12:21 PM (iFTx/)

56 There was leftism in my kids catholic hs, but NOTHING like the crt and gender/gay extravaganzas in the govt school. It was mostly climate bs with some justice bs.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at June 21, 2022 12:21 PM (HMTci)

57 Snide latina
Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (VJsqe)
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Wide Latina?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 21, 2022 12:21 PM (5pTK/)

58 Let me guess which 3 voted sgainst...

Posted by: Samo Samo at June 21, 2022 12:22 PM (3Or4S)

59 This is antidisestablishmentarianism!

*closes Oxford Unabridged Dictionary

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at June 21, 2022 12:22 PM (w9Wax)

60 21 Gotta admit, I'm impressed that Maine led the way.

Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock and the Golden Rule!
Posted by: I've got nothing at June 21, 2022 12:16 PM (h5TKJ)

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What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: The Alamo at June 21, 2022 12:22 PM (CAJOC)

61 Not sure if MP4 has seen this. Via American Digest, movie posters of the silent era:

https://tinyurl.com/2rbttf5z
Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (5HBd1)

Niiiiiiiiice!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Robert at June 21, 2022 12:22 PM (29M4A)

62 The Christian schools have got to step up though. Both of my girls had private Christian educations, and the liberalism was still there, loud and getting louder. I think it has something to do with liberalism getting a foothold in churches.

There was a story yesterday that a bishop slapped down an allegedly Catholic school somewhere for teaching BLM and buttsecks instead of Jesus and math.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 12:22 PM (ZGrMX)

63 Cannot wait to hear from the teacher's unions about how this will make the pandemic EXPLODE!

Posted by: Sherwin Amiran at June 21, 2022 12:23 PM (W1At/)

64 Also, a rebuke to the leftist formulation that "separation of church and state" requires active hostility of the state toward the church.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo
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VTK, part of the issue is that bureaucrats have always interpreted separation of church and state as far more limiting on religion than the courts in fact ruled and free exercise of religion as far more narrow than the courts ruled.

In essence, many bureaucrats worship government and don't like the Bill of Rights and its history of application because it limits the ability to use their discretionary government power to attack religion.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 12:23 PM (xA2KX)

65 "Sotomayor: "What a difference five years makes. In 2017, I feared that the Court was 'lead[ing] us to a place where separation of church and state is a constitutional slogan, not a constitutional commitment. Today, the Court leads us to a place where separation of church and state becomes a constitutional violation."

lol. Yes, providing taxpayers benefits derived from their taz money, equally and without discrimination against those practicing a particular religion, in her dumber then a bag of dirt mind violates separation of church and state.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:23 PM (VpIIl)

66 "Supreme Court Rules That States Cannot Discriminate Against Religious Schools In Tuition-Assistance Plans"

I could have told you that after about a minute of deliberation. How long did it take for these geniuses to figure out the obvious?

Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 12:23 PM (vrz2I)

67 An insurrection against the Wall of Separation was incited today.

Posted by: CNN at June 21, 2022 12:23 PM (krQz2)

68 The Feds ship in the muslims and now the local madrassa will no longer have to rely on Saudi-finances!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 12:23 PM (Zbk/y)

69 Daughter of Diogenes #2 removed the grands from public school and are homeschooling. They are doing just fine and are touring America as they study. I'm proud of them.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (anj39)

70 "Sotomayor: "What a difference five years makes. In 2017, I feared that the Court was 'lead[ing] us to a place where separation of church and state is a constitutional slogan, not a constitutional commitment. Today, the Court leads us to a place where separation of church and state becomes a constitutional violation." ...
Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:23 PM (VpIIl)
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The RHEEEEEEEEE is strong with that one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (WWh8n)

71 There was a story yesterday that a bishop slapped down an allegedly Catholic school somewhere for teaching BLM and buttsecks instead of Jesus and math.

Massachusetts

Our Bishop came out and said "No gender bs, no gay stuff." But in a nicer way.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (HMTci)

72 This will wind up being a back door way of attacking the Gospel.

If you think people arguing religion on Facebook is bad, wait until you watch the newly-expanded and liberal packed Supreme Court handing down edicts on what the Bible really says regarding homosexuality and abortion when the lawsuits come, and wait until they pass landmark rulings on how you can and do sin and still be a Christian and therefor it is reasonable to expect parochial and Christian schools to hire transgendered teachers.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (eh1Wg)

73 I went to a Catholic high school.

The school was always lobbying for state aid of one sort or another - to get free textbooks from the state, etc.

I talked to one of the priests once, who noted that although he wasn't publicly opposing the efforts to get the school government money, there was no such thing as free money without strings attached. The school currently could run itself and do what it wanted, and he doubted that the school would have such freedom from government if it received a substantial amount of state aid.

In retrospect, it was one of the best lessons I got in high school - learning not to view the government as a completely beneficent force.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (I2/tG)

74 The Teacher's Union will appeal...ha.

Posted by: jeff at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (Rviza)

75 Not sure if MP4 has seen this. Via American Digest, movie posters of the silent era:

https://tinyurl.com/2rbttf5z
Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (5HBd1)

Thank you! And of course, my girl Theda Bara is there.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (2JVJo)

76
Good stuff.

Next up: defund public schools, fire every employee, auction off the buildings and other physical capital to anyone who wants to start a school, and roll the proceeds into the voucher fund.

Probably also a good idea to skin every NEA employee alive and feed them to zoo animals.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (IXpV7)

77 I think, for the most part, private schools (and I'm a site visitor for an accreditor) are much better/less woke than public schools. There are very woke privates (Sidwell Friends, etc.) But I think those are urban progressive enclaves that actually lead the local publics to woke. Not the mainstream.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (950ZJ)

78 It was a two-step, since they know that they could mercilessly tax the citizens to fund public schools (and the teachers' unions) in order to edge private options out of the market. At some point, most people can't afford both a heavy school tax bill and private school tuition. They really think that they can take the money of religious people and once they have it, it's "public money" that must be hygienically cleansed of any use that's not actively hostile to traditional and religious values.

Posted by: Alec Leamas (working from home) at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (HCRZt)

79 I'd bet that madrassa down the street wouldn't let me in.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (0ocXn)

80 This sounds like great news, but I fear its too late. Should have been done 50 years ago.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:25 PM (llsW/)

81 So Sotomayor doesn't understand the basics on church and state.

Dumb latina

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at June 21, 2022 12:25 PM (HMTci)

82 Wide Latina?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 21, 2022 12:21 PM (5pTK/)

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Yes - it was a play on wide latina.

She's wide, she's snide, and now she's terrified.
(and her chow is deep-fat fried)

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 12:25 PM (VJsqe)

83 Chickens hold controversial Fox Story Hour in hen house.

Posted by: Babylon Bee at June 21, 2022 12:25 PM (3Or4S)

84 Thanks President Trump for getting so many picks on the court!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 12:25 PM (XVYgv)

85 Overall good, but this will be more a hat tip to Islamist schools than Sister Mary Margaret.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at June 21, 2022 12:26 PM (oWBc3)

86 Today, the Court leads us to a place where separation of church and state becomes a constitutional violation."

Where is there a defined separation of church and state in The constitution?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:26 PM (Zz0t1)

87 I like the one of Theda from "When a Woman Sins"

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 21, 2022 12:26 PM (5HBd1)

88 84 Thanks President Trump for getting so many picks on the court!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 12:25 PM (XVYgv)

Yeah. That ALONE

Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 12:26 PM (7SQac)

89 76
Good stuff.

Next up: defund public schools, fire every employee, auction off the buildings and other physical capital to anyone who wants to start a school, and roll the proceeds into the voucher fund.

Probably also a good idea to skin every NEA employee alive and feed them to zoo animals.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (IXpV7)

That newsletter is Yudhishthira dot com?

Posted by: Inogame at June 21, 2022 12:26 PM (53oGX)

90 Ok, can someone explain why Garrett and Ace are watching a crappy band from...the Isle of Wight?

Aren't there enough crappy bands here in the US to argue about?

And no the girl's legs are not fat.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 12:26 PM (ESjRY)

91 One win, lets go Brandon.

Moar please.

Posted by: Czech Chick at June 21, 2022 12:26 PM (haWye)

92 "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion". That's the Establishment Clause, Sotomayor. "Separation of church and state" is a metaphor, you dunce.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:26 PM (VpIIl)

93 That three justices voted no proves that they are politically driven because I bet their dissension is a steaming pile of commie garbage.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 12:27 PM (XVYgv)

94 76
Good stuff.

Next up: defund public schools, fire every employee, auction off the buildings and other physical capital to anyone who wants to start a school, and roll the proceeds into the voucher fund.

Probably also a good idea to skin every NEA employee alive and feed them to zoo animals.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (IXpV7)
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Have more sympathy for zoo animals, dude. They never did any harm to you. Why punish them like this?

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2022 12:27 PM (iFTx/)

95 It's not dismantling the Department of Education, but it'll do for now.

Posted by: ycrttx at June 21, 2022 12:27 PM (gUu3L)

96 So, not related but worth dropping. We're all a bunch of uppity asshole-ish partisans here and it's easy to forget that not everyone is.

https://tinyurl.com/4umcup77

Justice Sotomayor has lovely things to say about Justice Thomas.

Posted by: Robert at June 21, 2022 12:27 PM (29M4A)

97 "And no the girl's legs are not fat."

They aint wet either.

Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 12:27 PM (vrz2I)

98 10 Gotta admit, I'm impressed that Maine led the way. They don't lead the way in much of anything apart from lobsters and mosquitos.
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Maine only led the way because it enacted a law that unconstitutionally discriminated against church and temple schools. IOW, Maine "led" by forcing the SCOTUS to slap its law down.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 12:27 PM (MvHI3)

99 Separation of church and state comes from a private letter Jefferson wrote, years after the passage of the Constitution, in which he argues that the government cannot discriminate AGAINST religious believers just because the government thinks they are odd.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 21, 2022 12:27 PM (ESjRY)

100 "Thanks President Trump for getting so many picks on the court!"
Except they let him down when it mattered...

Posted by: gourmand du jour at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (jTmQV)

101 >>Read the dissent, especially from the Wide Latinx.

Some highlights:

"What a difference five years makes. In 2017, I feared that the court was‘lead[ing] us … to a place where separation of church and state is a constitutional slogan, not a constitutional commitment." - (Sounds like a line from a Bernie Sanders stump speech)

"While purporting to protect against discrimination of one kind, the court requires Maine to fund what many of its citizens believe to be discrimination of other kinds."

And by "discrimination" she means religious schools don't indoctrinate in queer ideology or invite transvestites to come in and show eight year olds how to tuck in their pee-pees.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (OeBYn)

102 84 Thanks President Trump for getting so many picks on the court!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 12:25 PM (XVYgv)

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McConnell did it, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (LvTSG)

103 Read Breyer's dissent. You'll punch yourself in the face.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (VpIIl)

104 Probably also a good idea to skin every NEA employee alive and feed them to zoo animals.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (IXpV7)

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Newsletter?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (Qy7kP)

105 6 There is nothing in the Constitution about education; it is reserved to the States.
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 21, 2022 12:15 PM (REJkJ)

States can't engage in religious discrimination on account of the first and fourteenth amendment. Doesn't really matter in what program.

Posted by: Someguy's at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (agAQ/)

106 Ok, can someone explain why Garrett and Ace are watching a crappy band from...the Isle of Wight?
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Well there no Coldplay.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (WKPeU)

107 Disclosure: I sent my kids to religious schools.

But query: Do gov't vouchers increase the cost yo parents? That is will schools charge "market price" but tack on the voucher amount to the total cost?

Posted by: RS at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (1XDfN)

108 McConnell did it, too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (LvTSG)

You can't make me say nice things about McConnell!

*pouts*

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (XVYgv)

109 101 "What a difference five years makes. In 2017, I feared that the court was‘lead[ing] us … to a place where separation of church and state is a constitutional slogan, not a constitutional commitment." - (Sounds like a line from a Bernie Sanders stump speech)

"While purporting to protect against discrimination of one kind, the court requires Maine to fund what many of its citizens believe to be discrimination of other kinds."

And by "discrimination" she means religious schools don't indoctrinate in queer ideology or invite transvestites to come in and show eight year olds how to tuck in their pee-pees.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (OeBYn)

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Ironic since "separation of church and state" is a phrase that originates from a Thomas Jefferson personal letter. It's not even in the Federalist Papers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (LvTSG)

110 Government funded schools are religious schools, and the left doesnt want anyone escaping their cult teachings.
Posted by: Bete at June 21, 2022 12:18 PM (a0KPx)

That's what conservatives never were willing to accept. There is no such thing as viewpoint neutrality.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (EpDzw)

111 "Sotomayor: "What a difference five years makes. In 2017, I feared that the Court was 'lead[ing] us to a place where separation of church and state is a constitutional slogan, not a constitutional commitment. Today, the Court leads us to a place where separation of church and state becomes a constitutional violation." ...
Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:23 PM (VpIIl)
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"Every decision I don't like is Hitler".

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (krQz2)

112 "The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment protects against 'indirect coercion or penalties on the free exercise of religion, not just outright prohibitions,'"

Uh-oh. What if some radical Justices think that applies to the Second Amendment, as well?

Posted by: t-bird at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (D6lWx)

113 "That three justices voted no proves that they are politically driven"

Must be nice to always know which way your guy or gal is gonna go.

Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (vrz2I)

114 Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 21, 2022 12:24 PM (I2/tG)

I ran the pto for years at my kids' catholic school. People is mostly a fundraising body vs govt school ptas.

I solidified the text book program. Texts are big business and grifty. The govt schools pay HUGE sums buying new books from their connections. Books a few years old are cheap. We decide that we'd no longer buy "new" text books but take advantage of the GLUT of cheap barely used books. It's not like the subject matter changes.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (HMTci)

115 Separation of church and state comes from a private letter Jefferson wrote, years after the passage of the Constitution, in which he argues that the government cannot discriminate AGAINST religious believers just because the government thinks they are odd.

And the "Wall of Separation" comes from an opinion written by Justice Hugo Black ... a Klansman who didn't like the idea of Catholic schoolkids getting to ride taxpayer-funded schoolbuses.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (OeBYn)

116 Snide latina
Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 12:20 PM (VJsqe)
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Wide Latina?
Posted by: blake

Embrace the power of *and*!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (Zbk/y)

117 I think it was Powerline I saw a video of The Ho saying how brilliant and quick the next BLM Theorist on the court was in her conformation, she outwit them all to get onto the court.

Posted by: Skip's phone at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (yFN9y)

118 Interesting thing about the Isle of Wight. Its illegal to be gay.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (UuD2k)

119 "Huge"

That's what she said.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (dNqv+)

120 I was up in Maine recently and had a lobster roll as part of the experience. It set me back $35 but was very tasty. I thought maybe the KOA was gouging me but when I went into town it seemed to be the norm.

Posted by: Augustine at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (BDZWU)

121 103 Read Breyer's dissent. You'll punch yourself in the face.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (VpIIl)

I'm sure it reads as a diatribe against God.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (XVYgv)

122 >>>Ok, can someone explain why Garrett and Ace are watching a crappy band from...the Isle of Wight?

Aren't there enough crappy bands here in the US to argue about?

And no the girl's legs are not fat.

Posted by: 18-1

>Your cruelty is boundless.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (0ocXn)

123 Roberts wrote the majority opinion ?

* rummages in junk drawer looking for shocked face *

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (eFZqC)

124 108 McConnell did it, too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (LvTSG)

You can't make me say nice things about McConnell!
*pouts*
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (XVYgv)

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I really dislike McConnell, but if he choose to run for re-election he's going to win in a walk, even more assuredly than normal.

Do not donate to any primary candidate against McConnell. Send me the money instead. I'll use it to purchase more movies for my collection. A far better use of the money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (LvTSG)

125 But query: Do gov't vouchers increase the cost yo parents? That is will schools charge "market price" but tack on the voucher amount to the total cost?
Posted by: RS at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (1XDfN)

Voucher programs will lower the cost of private school tuition in the same way that government grants and scholarships reduced the cost of colleges and universities.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (eh1Wg)

126 "Separation of church and state comes from a private letter Jefferson wrote, years after the passage of the Constitution, in which he argues that the government cannot discriminate AGAINST religious believers just because the government thinks they are odd. "

It has been used metaphorically for years, both by Jefferson and Roger Williams and others. But what they meant and what liberals mean are two completely different things. The liberals have zero grounding in the Constitution or truths.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (VpIIl)

127 Public schools are easily the Left's most potent weapon. You figure out a way to get America's kids out of there and you will win the future.

The Left is very aware of this.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 12:31 PM (CLrvk)

128 "McConnell did it, too.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison"

Anybody who was in his position could and would have done it and he's still a sorry piece of crap.

Posted by: fd at June 21, 2022 12:31 PM (vrz2I)

129 123 Roberts wrote the majority opinion ?

* rummages in junk drawer looking for shocked face *
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (eFZqC)

I can't find mine. I think I last saw it around 2012. No, wait! I am sure I saw it somewhere on Nov 3 2020...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 21, 2022 12:31 PM (dNqv+)

130 Also, if state money is involved, even indirectly, does that lead to strings, i.e. curriculum control, we'd prefer not to exist?

Posted by: RS at June 21, 2022 12:31 PM (1XDfN)

131 It's not like the subject matter changes.
Posted by: dagny, first of her name

*Tee-hee

Posted by: Revisionist Leftist Historians at June 21, 2022 12:31 PM (w9Wax)

132 123 Roberts wrote the majority opinion ?

* rummages in junk drawer looking for shocked face *
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (eFZqC)

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On issues the left considers relatively minor, Roberts is pretty solid.

It's when the left raises its voice that he turns stupidly awful.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:31 PM (LvTSG)

133 I can't wait to hear what NPR has to say about this.

Just kidding, I don't have a radio.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (44ww/)

134 Do not donate to any primary candidate against McConnell. Send me the money instead. I'll use it to purchase more movies for my collection. A far better use of the money.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (LvTSG)

You don't need that many copies of Prometheus.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (ZGrMX)

135 "103 Read Breyer's dissent. You'll punch yourself in the face.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:28 PM (VpIIl)

I'm sure it reads as a diatribe against God.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (XVYgv)"

That, and the fact he's arguing against himself, lacks complete self awareness and then undermines his own primary argument. Quite a feat.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (VpIIl)

136 That's what conservatives never were willing to accept. There is no such thing as viewpoint neutrality.
Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 12:29 PM (EpDzw)
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That was Zinn's point, btw.

No, there is not absolute viewpoint neutrality, but that doesn't mean you just give up.

The people who speak criticize "bothsidesism" have given up, because Nazis.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (krQz2)

137 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (eh1Wg)

My concern.

Posted by: RS at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (1XDfN)

138 >>Ok, can someone explain why Garrett and Ace are watching a crappy band from...the Isle of Wight?

I was misquoted and slandered.

Also. Wet leg is lame.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (fwjwo)

139 134 Do not donate to any primary candidate against McConnell. Send me the money instead. I'll use it to purchase more movies for my collection. A far better use of the money.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (LvTSG)

You don't need that many copies of Prometheus.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (ZGrMX)

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YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!

(I have an internet friend who has 47 copies of Blade Runner.)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (LvTSG)

140 > In 2017, I feared that the Court was 'lead[ing] us to a place where separation of church and state is a constitutional slogan, not a constitutional commitment.

"Separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution. That's an inaccurate re-characterization of the non-establishment clause. If Sotomayor knew what the Constitution actually says, rather than what the slogan says, she might have a chance at understanding this decision.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 12:33 PM (kDGvA)

141 Where is there a defined separation of church and state in The constitution?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden
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Not there as you know. The modern doctrine derived from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson as president to a Baptist. It actually addressed Virginia's established Anglican church requiring financial support from all taxpayers in VA. That is where the wall of separation was used in Everson v. Wall where ironically the Supreme Court ruled that NJ's aid to schools such as financing their travels back and forth to school via paying bus fare was constitutional.

That justification was later used to ban school prayer in public schools under Engel v. Vitale in 1962.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 12:33 PM (xA2KX)

142 Well, time to wander. Need to finish shop air filter build.

I still can't believe I was unable to come up with the "box fan and furnace filter" idea for wood shop filtration. Noo, I had to run across it while researching purpose built shop air filtration systems.

Easy build, though.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (5pTK/) at June 21, 2022 12:33 PM (5pTK/)

143
The Teacher's Union will appeal...ha.
Posted by: jeff

Appeal to the World Court.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (63Dwl)

144 Oh my...I'm sure DU will take this well lol.

Not only will this hurt public schools, but the RW education grift will just explode. The conservative majority holds that the First Amendment requires Maine's taxpayers to fund explicitly religious education. That is a breathtakingly radical holding.

Sotomayor, dissenting: "This Court continues to dismantle the wall of separation between church and state that the Framers fought to build. ... The consequences of the Court’s rapid transformation of the Religion Clauses must not be understated."

We are on the fast-track to a theocracy The evangelists are pushing the agenda and the Catholic court is paving the way...The gop is destroying the country while driving around flying the flag off their trucks. Nice to see that trucks driving around with Trump flags triggers lefties. I wonder what they'd think if I flew one off my Prius?

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (TC8RU)

145 Voucher programs will lower the cost of private school tuition in the same way that government grants and scholarships reduced the cost of colleges and universities.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
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I disagree, but even if private schools become as expensive as public schools (hard to imagine) its still a better use of money.

The amount of money our public school wastes is jaw dropping.

My guess is a voucher program would only be a small percent of what a parent ends up paying for tuition.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (CLrvk)

146 Interesting. I don't know much about ME politics so I wonder if their reps will just kill the private school funding.

I also wonder what effect it will have on other states or if this is limited.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (8GBH4)

147
"While purporting to protect against discrimination of one kind, the court requires Maine to fund what many of its citizens believe to be discrimination of other kinds."
__________

Sotomayor only wants the constitution to allow discrimination against people who believe things that she and her fellow lefties think are icky.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (MvHI3)

148 Government Skool Groomers will only be left with the dregs of society to molest and grope as anyone with any sense will be hauling ass soon.

Hopefully the day will come when the last government skool is shuttered for good.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (pbYrN)

149 Separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution. That's an inaccurate re-characterization of the non-establishment clause. If Sotomayor knew what the Constitution actually says, rather than what the slogan says, she might have a chance at understanding this decision.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 21, 2022 12:33 PM (kDGvA)

You’re asking a lot. I truly believe she is clinically stupid.

Posted by: 7man at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (qwO6y)

150 When we were in Catholic grade school the nuns had us all present a form letter to our parents to sign. It was in support of a bill that would provide vouchers to those who wanted to send their children to Catholic school.

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (DJFLF)

151 Christians celebrate, but the Muslims will game this to their advantage

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (mR6Gs)

152 144 We are on the fast-track to a theocracy The evangelists are pushing the agenda and the Catholic court is paving the way...The gop is destroying the country while driving around flying the flag off their trucks. Nice to see that trucks driving around with Trump flags triggers lefties. I wonder what they'd think if I flew one off my Prius?
Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (TC8RU)

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They should flee and fear for their lives.

Also...why are they having children at all? Do they hate Gaia?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (LvTSG)

153 Oh wait, that was Isle of Man. And not any more.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (UuD2k)

154 Americans 1
Atheist Commies 0

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (YVBLw)

155 May this be the first stone overturnedl from the foundation of the NEA and NTA so sanity may reenter the nation's classrooms.

Posted by: Not a postman but possibly postal at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (L7Rdt)

156 (I have an internet friend who has 47 copies of Blade Runner.)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (LvTSG)

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Well, that's just in case he wants to watch it more than once.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (Qy7kP)

157 >>Ironic since "separation of church and state" is a phrase that originates from a Thomas Jefferson personal letter. It's not even in the Federalist Papers.

I'll take "Things Sonya Sotomayor Has Never Read" for $200

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (La6gB)

158 On issues the left considers relatively minor, Roberts is pretty solid.

It's when the left raises its voice that he turns stupidly awful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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He's strategic when he takes a dive.

He knew here if he dissented, he wouldn't be able to write the majority opinion. he clings to power.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (CLrvk)

159 139
YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!

(I have an internet friend who has 47 copies of Blade Runner.)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (LvTSG)

You're not the Boss of me!!! ( Are you old enough to remember that???) J/K😬

Posted by: kraken at June 21, 2022 12:36 PM (7SQac)

160 ... We are on the fast-track to a theocracy The evangelists are pushing the agenda and the Catholic court is paving the way...The gop is destroying the country while driving around flying the flag off their trucks. Nice to see that trucks driving around with Trump flags triggers lefties. I wonder what they'd think if I flew one off my Prius?
Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (TC8RU)
++++
The insanity is strong with this one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 21, 2022 12:36 PM (WWh8n)

161 There was a story yesterday that a bishop slapped down an allegedly Catholic school somewhere for teaching BLM and buttsecks instead of Jesus and math.

Massachusetts

Our Bishop came out and said "No gender bs, no gay stuff." But in a nicer way.
Posted by: dagny

You skip what I note as the most important aspect.
A Jesuit school.

Do *not* let your kids or if you can help it your grandkids be taught in a school run by Jesuits. They are the epitome of leftist liberals (and the Maryknolls are the female aspect of those same leftist liberals).

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 12:36 PM (Zbk/y)

162 Damn...I left italics on. I have a Prius, not the DU poster, but no Trump flag at the moment, sadly. I've gotten odd looks from farmers in the past, while loading deer I've shot into the trunk.

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at June 21, 2022 12:36 PM (TC8RU)

163 Also. Wet leg is lame.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (fwjwo)

Their self-titled debut album debuted at number one on the UK Albums Chart, ARIA Albums Chart, and the Irish Albums Chart.

They say...nyah

Posted by: BignJames at June 21, 2022 12:36 PM (AwYPR)

164 Jefferson's key phrase in his letter to Danbury Baptists in 1802
'
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ʺmake no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,ʺ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.'

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 12:36 PM (xA2KX)

165 Sotomoyer is so fat, her chalk outline would be a circle.

Posted by: MJ at June 21, 2022 12:36 PM (zwDuR)

166 The people who speak criticize "bothsidesism" have given up, because Nazis.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (krQz2)

Yeah, well both sides do that...
and the hot dog is a sandwich.

-Goldberg

Posted by: Inogame at June 21, 2022 12:37 PM (53oGX)

167
Think if my ideas were adopted - no more public schools, the state meets its interest in an educated populace through the use of the vouchers, with no restrictions whatsoever on any school that isn't breaking the law. Anyone can choose what type of educational environment their children are in.

How many would *choose* the school with a bunch of barely literate, hormonally altered Communist genderfreaks teaching a curriculum unfit for the education of a cartel monkey?

Bet it won't be too many people.

The arc of history bends towards groomers living on cat food by a bridge abutment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 12:37 PM (IXpV7)

168 Heh. Unshutter the Catholic schools around here and close K-8 public school would be awesome.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at June 21, 2022 12:37 PM (89T5c)

169 Yes. it's "theocratic" or something to allow taxpayers to use their own tax money to attend any school of their choice. Because the government says so.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 21, 2022 12:37 PM (VpIIl)

170 158
He's strategic when he takes a dive.

He knew here if he dissented, he wouldn't be able to write the majority opinion. he clings to power.
Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (CLrvk)

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People keep thinking that if Roberts agrees with the 5 other conservatives on something, then they have to agree with his reasoning and scope of the decision he writes. That's not true.

If the six agree, and then Roberts writes an opinion that the other five don't agree with in scope or reasoning, then the other five can choose who gets to write their new majority opinion without Roberts' consent. His "majority opinion" would become a consenting opinion.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:37 PM (LvTSG)

171 (I have an internet friend who has 47 copies of Blade Runner.)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (LvTSG)
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And has a cat, a dog, and a bird name "Eric".

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 12:38 PM (krQz2)

172 I just read the Fat Wise Latina's dissent. She is worried that conservatives on the court are doing what she thinks only leftists can do: incrementally pushing the camel's nose further and further into the tent until it's all camel. See my post above about how this decision should lead to a complete shitcanning of the made-up "separation" doctrine. Evidently, she believes this as well. Her dissent traces movement in that direction prior to this decision, and she is correct about that. She's just pissed that conservatives are using the left's tactics against them. Suck it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2022 12:38 PM (iFTx/)

173 Do *not* let your kids or if you can help it your grandkids be taught in a school run by Jesuits. They are the epitome of leftist liberals (and the Maryknolls are the female aspect of those same leftist liberals).
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
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+1

An Arizonan, so you're probably well aware how crazy liberal Brophy has become.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 12:38 PM (CLrvk)

174 Practice makes pregnant.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (u82oZ)

175 That was Zinn's point, btw.

No, there is not absolute viewpoint neutrality, but that doesn't mean you just give up.

The people who speak criticize "bothsidesism" have given up, because Nazis.
Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (krQz2)

Do you want viewpoint neutrality that there are no biological sexes? Or how about that homosexual marriage is just like marriage? How about sex at any age with anyone is fine? Maybe that America is evil to the core?

Those are viewpoints or better stated as worldviews. Your worldview cannot be neutral.

Posted by: WiNO at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (EpDzw)

176 >>Their self-titled debut album debuted at number one on the UK Albums Chart, ARIA Albums Chart, and the Irish Albums Chart.

Vagina sells.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (fwjwo)

177 162 Damn...I left italics on. I have a Prius, not the DU poster, but no Trump flag at the moment, sadly. I've gotten odd looks from farmers in the past, while loading deer I've shot into the trunk.
Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at June 21, 2022 12:36 PM (TC8RU)

I like

Posted by: 7man at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (qwO6y)

178 We are on the fast-track to a theocracy
__________

We are indeed, but it's a woke leftist secular theocracy that is taking over our governments and institutions, it's not Christianity or any other G-d-centered religion.

That's why you see "pride" and BLM flags flying at our embassies and state government offices, and corporations and government agencies routinely enacting the same woke leftist secular policies.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (MvHI3)

179 The arc of history bends towards groomers living on cat food by a bridge abutment.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 12:37 PM (IXpV7)
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There's a cat food shortage on. They're going to have to eat sewer rats.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (WWh8n)

180 Original Antigenic Sin

https://tinyurl.com/dvbjhv6z

The most dangerous thing to do, at this point, would be to vaccinate children. ... As long as the vaccinators are permitted to continue their radical and increasingly insane campaign, though, nothing will improve. Indeed, their policies threaten to bring about a semi-permanent pandemic state for generations to come.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (5Qjf9)

181 I just read the Fat Wise Latina's dissent. She is worried that conservatives on the court are doing what she thinks only leftists can do: incrementally pushing the camel's nose further and further into the tent until it's all camel.

Yup. The lefties get extra angry when their own tactics are used against them.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (ZGrMX)

182 161(and the Maryknolls are the female aspect of those same leftist liberals).
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 12:36 PM

But can I watch Michael Knowles on the Shapiro network?

Posted by: Liberal Republicans at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (TC8RU)

183 There was also a time, I think a couple decades ago? where Catholic churches had big signs on their front lawns indicating how much money their school saved the state.

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (DJFLF)

184 151 Christians celebrate, but the Muslims will game this to their advantage
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (mR6Gs)

Meh. Independent of the question of importing more, are we supposed to be forcing Muslims to pay taxes for education services they aren't allowed to use?

Posted by: Someguy's at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (agAQ/)

185 181 I just read the Fat Wise Latina's dissent. She is worried that conservatives on the court are doing what she thinks only leftists can do: incrementally pushing the camel's nose further and further into the tent until it's all camel.

Yup. The lefties get extra angry when their own tactics are used against them.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (ZGrMX)

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Yeah, try to get a job at a university.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:40 PM (LvTSG)

186 They got the old switcheroo.
'You can't give churches state money!'
uh no
You can't NOT give churches state money.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at June 21, 2022 12:40 PM (buTO7)

187 There was also a time, I think a couple decades ago? where Catholic churches had big signs on their front lawns indicating how much money their school saved the state.
Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (DJFLF)

I remember those

Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 12:40 PM (mR6Gs)

188 the obvious answer is no public schooling, but that won't happen.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2022 12:41 PM (8GBH4)

189 I disagree, but even if private schools become as expensive as public schools (hard to imagine) its still a better use of money.

The amount of money our public school wastes is jaw dropping.

DC spends $22,406 per capita (it's probably really higher once the other subsidies are factored in). For a class of 30 kids (the size of class I grew up with), that's $672k per year. Assume the teacher makes the average salary of $61k, that still leaves $611k per class per year. You could buy the students cars for that much money. Not top of the line, but still. And they're still demanding more.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2022 12:41 PM (/NCI4)

190 Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at June 21, 2022 12:39 PM (5Qjf9)

Pfizer was cooking the data it presented in order to get FDA approval for the young child jab. At the approval meeting, one observer noted the participants' language...even the medical professionals, sounded more like a marketing strategy session.

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:42 PM (DJFLF)

191 People keep thinking that if Roberts agrees with the 5 other conservatives on something, then they have to agree with his reasoning and scope of the decision he writes. That's not true.

If the six agree, and then Roberts writes an opinion that the other five don't agree with in scope or reasoning, then the other five can choose who gets to write their new majority opinion without Roberts' consent. His "majority opinion" would become a consenting opinion.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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Only one gets to write the majority opinion.

I believe SC justices will "horse trade" for a bigger majority number and make compromises in that single majority opinion to get to 6-3 vs 5-4 decision.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 12:42 PM (CLrvk)

192 120 I was up in Maine recently and had a lobster roll as part of the experience. It set me back $35 but was very tasty. I thought maybe the KOA was gouging me but when I went into town it seemed to be the norm.
Posted by: Augustine at June 21, 2022 12:30 PM (BDZWU)

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Lobster rolls are fantastic, but wow have the prices increased. I dread seeing Maine license plates in in VT because the Mainx drive REAL slow.

Posted by: 496 at June 21, 2022 12:42 PM (VJsqe)

193 188 the obvious answer is no public schooling, but that won't happen.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 21, 2022 12:41 PM (8GBH4)
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I've been saying that since kindergarten. Absolutely useless.

Posted by: Jimco Industries at June 21, 2022 12:42 PM (buTO7)

194 Leathern crone Taylor Lorenz has been demoted and all her articles have to be approved line-by-line by an editor.

Let us all point and laugh!

Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 21, 2022 12:43 PM (eiN05)

195 Do not donate to any primary candidate against McConnell. Send me the money instead. I'll use it to purchase more ~~movies for my collection~~ammo. A far better use of the money.

FIFY. You have another mouth to feed now. Can't be frittering all your money away on frivolities any more.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 21, 2022 12:43 PM (nfrXX)

196 Has Brandon denounced this decision using his extra-angry shouting tone and grimaces ? If not it's only a matter of time.

Posted by: June 21 Guy at June 21, 2022 12:43 PM (AMIL/)

197 It is important to remember how powerful unions are in the Democratic Party, how much influence they have and how much control. Teacher's unions will not allow this to stand, and other unions in solidarity will fight to reverse this.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM (llsW/)

198 So can the state of Maine (if they don't already) add conditions to the tuition assistance? Like - "All schools accepting vouchers must take their students to a minimum of on drag show a year."

This is how the fed gov has ruined some Christian nonprofits.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM (BJKQV)

199 Leathern crone Taylor Lorenz has been demoted and all her articles have to be approved line-by-line by an editor.

Is the editor a man? That would make it 150% funnier.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM (ZGrMX)

200 194 Leathern crone Taylor Lorenz has been demoted and all her articles have to be approved line-by-line by an editor.

Let us all point and laugh!
Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 21, 2022 12:43 PM (eiN05)

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This is because WaPo is sexist and afraid of stronk, powerful, independent women.

WaPo should be boycotted until Taylor is made editor in chief.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM (LvTSG)

201 That Douglas Fairbanks poster ("The Black Pirate") looks pretty dang tranny to me...

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM (S7une)

202 The amount of money our public school wastes is jaw dropping.

My guess is a voucher program would only be a small percent of what a parent ends up paying for tuition.

Posted by: Blago at June 21, 2022 12:34 PM (CLrvk)

We agree on more than we disagree on. Yes, public schools are highly inefficient and a huge waste of money.

And yes, the voucher will only provide part of funding for tuition. But that's kinda my point. If a parent will pay $15,000 a year for tuition presently, and the state provides a voucher for $5,000, suddenly the school will discover that tuition is $20,000.

I have a stack of beg-letters from my daughter's Christian school that leads me to believe this. There is never enough money for an entity that believes money is the cure.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM (eh1Wg)

203 195 Do not donate to any primary candidate against McConnell. Send me the money instead. I'll use it to purchase more movies for my collectionammo. A far better use of the money.

FIFY. You have another mouth to feed now. Can't be frittering all your money away on frivolities any more.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 21, 2022 12:43 PM (nfrXX)

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I can't. Lost the gub in a boating accident.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM (LvTSG)

204 151 Christians celebrate, but the Muslims will game this to their advantage
Posted by: JoeF. at June 21, 2022 12:35 PM (mR6Gs)

I'm fine with Muslims using the vouchers to send their kids to Muslim schools, if such schools exist.

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM (YVBLw)

205 199 Is the editor a man? That would make it 150% funnier.

Heh, they didn't say (Just saw it reported on Breaking Points) but that would be awsome!

Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM (eiN05)

206 Tony Plohetski
@tplohetski·1h
BREAKING: In the strongest terms possible, the head of the Texas state police has just condemned the law enforcement response in Uvalde, calling it an "abject failure and antithetical to everything we have learned over the past two decades."

Texas DPS Director Steve McCraw says teachers -- not law enforcement -- should be praised for their actions one month ago today. He said police had enough firepower and protection to act far faster than they did. Teachers worked quickly to lock the school down and save lives.

According to McCraw, the gunman was "moving toward a pathway to violence" in the months leading up to shooting and in some ways had "taken on the demeanor of a school shooter." He urged Texans to alert law enforcement of these types of suspicious activity.
7:46 AM · Jun 21, 2022

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at June 21, 2022 12:45 PM (MFZ8i)

207 So...how many writers at WaPo have no editor overseeing them?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:45 PM (LvTSG)

208 Leathern crone Taylor Lorenz has been demoted and all her articles have to be approved line-by-line by an editor.

Maybe if she spent more time on research and doing her job professionally and less time freaking out on social media, she might not have had this happen.

Maybe if news outfits had proper editors and didn't hire hysterical zealots, they wouldn't have to keep doing this.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:45 PM (llsW/)

209 TJM is correct up to the point of 'consenting' instead of concurrence.

In reality, CJ Warren Burger and earlier CJ Vinson and CJ Stone among others indicate that 'political' Chief Justices lose both wings of the court by manipulation and that leads to a loss of power.

The rule of the court is five have to agree on a final opinion when it is release to the public. It does not matter which five sign on to the final opinion. The Chief Justice can assign the initial opinion author at the merits conference usually taken a few days after oral arguments. The final opinion though is where five justices agree with the opinion.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 12:45 PM (xA2KX)

210 Pfizer was cooking the data it presented in order ...

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:42 PM (DJFLF)

I know but the link I posted is nothing to do with that. There are several high profile epidemiologists who were cancelled early in the pandemic who've talked about it but their presentations were quite difficult to follow. The post I linked above is much better. It includes a link to the original paper on OAS, from 1960 !!

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at June 21, 2022 12:46 PM (5Qjf9)

211
Another thing I would do in my reform program is make school optional at the age of 14, with an option to jump back into adult remedial education until the age of maybe 22, and stiff financial penalties for parents who compel their children to quit school for financial reasons. IOW, if Little Johnny is not educable or wants to work (or join a street gang, whatever) instead, then he may leave after junior high.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 12:46 PM (IXpV7)

212 209 TJM is correct up to the point of 'consenting' instead of concurrence.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 12:45 PM (xA2KX)

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I was on a roll.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:46 PM (LvTSG)

213 >>>Sotomoyer is so fat, her chalk outline would be a circle.

>Sonia Sotomayor is a meatball with cheeks made of meatball.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 21, 2022 12:47 PM (0ocXn)

214 207 So...how many writers at WaPo have no editor overseeing them?

Good Question - Sagaar Enjeti (sp?) was reporting it, and he's a former print journo guy. He says yes all articles are overseen by an editor but not *line-by-line* and that that's the journalistic equivalent of a smackdown.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at June 21, 2022 12:47 PM (eiN05)

215 The No-True-Neutral argument is a bit like any of the relativistic arguments.

If it were true, there could be no neutral enough arguments to not bias that conclusion itself. So, are you reading a biased dismissal of the possibility of "true neutral" or are you reading an argument it claims couldn't exist?

That no real quantitative analysis of propositions is possible outside of some trivial operations affects our ability to quantitively establish the "balance" of an argument, so to say that a statement is "objectively balanced". So it's a problem, that all attempts at a neutral form of argument must account for, knowing that there really is no well-formed goal or criteria to assess it.

However, it fails as a proof. And that is crucial.

Negatives illustrate a tendency to be "lossy". We cannot assess the "truth" of the Liar's Paradox. "I am saying something false here." has (arguably) NO truth value.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 12:47 PM (krQz2)

216 Pfizer was cooking the data it presented in order to get FDA approval for the young child jab. At the approval meeting, one observer noted the participants' language...even the medical professionals, sounded more like a marketing strategy session.
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Because that's what it was. As we now know from the whistleblower lawsuit, Pfizer was cooking up its lies at the direction of the government medical bureaucrats (the same people whose names appear on many of the drug and vaccine patents that they approve for sale to the public).

Pfizer was just the sous-chef. The FDA, CDC, etc., were the executive chefs.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 12:47 PM (MvHI3)

217 There is never enough money for an entity that believes money is the cure.

This is true, for certain. The spending per classroom has skyrocketed in the last few decades, but the quality of education has plummeted.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:47 PM (llsW/)

218 Is the editor a man? That would make it 150% funnier.

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Yes. Cameron Barr, Senior editor at WaPo, is a man. He will be babysitting Taylor Lorenz. lol

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 21, 2022 12:47 PM (YVBLw)

219 This is good news.

A slight cracking open of a locked door. More possibilities present themselves.

Be happy!

I was happy to pay for private Catholic education, it was often painful to the wallet, but well worth it. and yes the schools had a liberal bent, sure. but STILL. so much better than our very-highly-rated publics it was no contest ... and then COVID. then you really learned the value!

Yes some schools might up tuition but then other schools will appear to undercut ... the more private options there are, the more ability for people to actually choose. It's a good thing. You can't turn everything into bad news. We have enough bad news.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 21, 2022 12:47 PM (w0NJk)

220 My daughter was a special-needs kid, so the Chicago Public School system said that we should take her to whatever private school would best fulfill her needs. In effect, they handed us a voucher. We sent her to a Jewish therapeutic day school, thanks in large measure to which she is now doing very well as an adult. One-size-fits-all in education is crazy even under the best of circumstances; but if I were a black parent whose kid was forced into a dysfunctional inner-city school, I'd be screaming for what my daughter received: a ticket to a better life through an education voucher.

Posted by: Nemo at June 21, 2022 12:48 PM (S6ArX)

221 Didn't a teacher leave the door open or did something else come out about that?

Posted by: Someguy's at June 21, 2022 12:48 PM (agAQ/)

222 204 151 Christians celebrate, but the Muslims will game this to their advantage
Posted by: JoeF.

That rationale was used against Catholic schools after the Blaine Amendments were passed in many states under the guise of separation of church and state.

Note that the ruling does not require states to have education vouchers at all but if they do, they cannot exclude religious schools.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 12:48 PM (xA2KX)

223 Wet leg is lame.

Posted by: garrett at June 21, 2022 12:32 PM (fwjwo)

Their self-titled debut album debuted at number one on the UK Albums Chart, ARIA Albums Chart, and the Irish Albums Chart.

They say...nyah
Posted by: BignJames at June 21, 2022 12:36 PM (AwYPR)

This is why I stay away from Eurotrash countries when it comes to my music selections.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:48 PM (Zz0t1)

224 Archimedes at June 21, 2022 12:41 PM (/NCI4)

per capita is an average; special needs students cost far more. In my former district in a small college town, one student cost $100,000 each year.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at June 21, 2022 12:49 PM (REJkJ)

225 I should have said that self-references have a tendency to be lossy. Self-references are an (arguably) universal philosophical problem.

Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 12:49 PM (krQz2)

226
>Sonia Sotomayor is a meatball with cheeks made of meatball.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 21, 2022 12:47 PM (0ocXn)

Meatwad > Meatball Sotomayor

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:49 PM (Zz0t1)

227 I am what one might call a leg aficiando and I must say with slight regret that garrett is 100% correct about her legs.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 12:49 PM (tk02u)

228 Thank you, President Trump.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 21, 2022 12:49 PM (nByzo)

229 I was on a roll.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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I respectfully concur with this opinion.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 12:49 PM (xA2KX)

230 Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 12:47 PM (MvHI3)

I'm seeing evidence to support the OAS theory. Everyone I know who gets the coof these days is double and triple-jabbed. One lady couldn't understand it, because she "wore my mask on the bus the whole time!"

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:49 PM (DJFLF)

231
if I were a black parent whose kid was forced into a dysfunctional inner-city school, I'd be screaming for what my daughter received: a ticket to a better life through an education voucher.
Posted by: Nemo at June 21, 2022 12:48 PM (S6ArX)

I had no idea that CPS did that. If I were a Chicago parent who couldn't afford private school I'd be picking up the phone *today* to find a doctor who'd brand my kid as "special needs" for a reasonable gratuity.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 12:50 PM (IXpV7)

232 Another thing I would do in my reform program is make school optional at the age of 14, with an option to jump back into adult remedial education until the age of maybe 22, and stiff financial penalties for parents who compel their children to quit school for financial reasons. IOW, if Little Johnny is not educable or wants to work (or join a street gang, whatever) instead, then he may leave after junior high.

forget the penalty part b/c that will only be selectively applied (as in, to a White young man who wants to farm rather than a Meztizo youth who also wants to farm) and I agree. Sure there will be some kids made to work. It's not that horrible.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 21, 2022 12:50 PM (w0NJk)

233 My husband was in a Maryknoll seminary in the 60s. They used to go out to poor countries and build roads and infrastructure. When did that change?

Posted by: Notsothoreau - move forward at June 21, 2022 12:50 PM (5HBd1)

234 =========

I was on a roll.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:46 PM (LvTSG)

This is why the call you butter.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:50 PM (Zz0t1)

235 how many writers at WaPo have no editor overseeing them?

Effectively none, since none of the editors appear to be doing anything or competent in doing anything.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:50 PM (llsW/)

236 One-size-fits-all in education is crazy even under the best of circumstances; but if I were a black parent whose kid was forced into a dysfunctional inner-city school, I'd be screaming for what my daughter received: a ticket to a better life through an education voucher.

They don't need to scream. They just need to stop voting Dem. It's in their hands.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2022 12:50 PM (/NCI4)

237 An Arizonan, so you're probably well aware how crazy liberal Brophy has become.
Posted by: Blago

I found that Brophy was a Jesuit HS when I moved to AZ in '87.
The 2 that wanted to go to formal HS instead of continuing homeschool did *not* go to Brophy.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 12:50 PM (Zbk/y)

238 236 One-size-fits-all in education is crazy even under the best of circumstances; but if I were a black parent whose kid was forced into a dysfunctional inner-city school, I'd be screaming for what my daughter received: a ticket to a better life through an education voucher.

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It makes sense if you're trying to create cogs to throw into a machine.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:51 PM (LvTSG)

239 Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 12:49 PM (tk02u)

She's not fat-legged. Her leg above the knee is not long enough to allow for that nice gradual filling-out as the leg proceeds up to the hip-bone.

So it makes that little "flare=out" a little earlier than normal.

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:51 PM (DJFLF)

240 per capita is an average; special needs students cost far more. In my former district in a small college town, one student cost $100,000 each year.

Same in Fairfax Co.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2022 12:52 PM (/NCI4)

241 BREAKING: Biden, Schumer, & Pelosi Call for Teachers Unions to Fire-Bomb Religious Schools and Wrongthink SCOTUS Residences. Developing ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 21, 2022 12:52 PM (I0P0T)

242 Always amazed that I draw my own personal trolls.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 21, 2022 12:52 PM (5p7BC)

243 BUT GORSUCH the NeverTrump twats screamed to disparage Trump and his voters.

Useless clowns.

Posted by: Ultra MAGA Venus at June 21, 2022 12:52 PM (YVBLw)

244 Meat Leg > Wet Leg

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 21, 2022 12:52 PM (0ocXn)

245 241 BREAKING: Biden, Schumer, & Pelosi Call for Teachers Unions to Fire-Bomb Religious Schools and Wrongthink SCOTUS Residences. Developing ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Welcome to the boneyard, we got fun & games & Starveflation aims at June 21, 2022 12:52 PM (I0P0T)

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"Merrick Garland correctly calls this move a blessing of liberty, and I'm chaffing real bad right now..."
-David French

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:52 PM (LvTSG)

246 Peg Leg > Wet Leg

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:53 PM (Zz0t1)

247 just a brief search, seems only 16 states offer vouchers, but they apparently are for religious or non-religious choices. Maine perhaps tried to be "special"?

Good ruling, would be nice if more states did the voucher thang.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 21, 2022 12:53 PM (Cus5s)

248 Always amazed that I draw my own personal trolls.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 21, 2022 12:52 PM (5p7BC)

Ah. The price of fame.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at June 21, 2022 12:53 PM (Zz0t1)

249 I was on a roll.

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So... you are a sandwich?? 🤣🤣

Posted by: runner at June 21, 2022 12:53 PM (ignnb)

250 Always amazed that I draw my own personal trolls.

Posted by: Dave in Fla

It's a compliment, really.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2022 12:53 PM (/NCI4)

251 She's not fat-legged. Her leg above the knee is not long enough to allow for that nice gradual filling-out as the leg proceeds up to the hip-bone.

So it makes that little "flare=out" a little earlier than normal.

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:51 PM (DJFLF)

Well they're quite big above the knee. That's not to say they're not nice. It's honestly more about how a woman moves anyway. You can have great legs but if you're a mannequin I have almost zero interest.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 12:53 PM (tk02u)

252 242 Always amazed that I draw my own personal trolls.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 21, 2022 12:52 PM (5p7BC)

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*considers mentioning Prometheus*

*thinks better of mentioning Prometheus and does not mention Prometheus*

*does own part to keep thread Prometheus free*

Conclusion: Everyone trolls me! I weep bitterly at my abuse.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:53 PM (LvTSG)

253 Posted by: Axeman at June 21, 2022 12:47 PM (krQz2)

You're referring to neutral in the meaning of unbiased or objective. There is another meaning of being in between two sides or on neither side. A neutral observer might say George Floyd od'd. A neutral observer in another sense might be someone who buys into the gray fallacy.

God is neutral in the sense of objectively judging good or evil, but not in the sense of being in between or indifferent to the two.

Posted by: Someguy's at June 21, 2022 12:53 PM (agAQ/)

254
Sure there will be some kids made to work. It's not that horrible.
Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 21, 2022 12:50 PM (w0NJk)

Yeah - it's a tough one. If a kid wants an education to better his future, I think it's borderline abusive to say "fuck that, Johnny, daddy needs a new pair of shoes. Tote that barge. Lift that bail."

But of course, anyway for rent-seeking bureaucrats to levy penalties will be abused.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 12:54 PM (IXpV7)

255 Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM (eh1Wg)

Precisely. A religious school sets tuition at a "market price" sufficient to meet demand. Add a voucher into the mix, and the price increases to market + voucher.

The only answer is to return education tax dollars to parents, by reducing or eliminating them, or via a tax credit--and putting the onus on parents to educate their kids.

Posted by: RS at June 21, 2022 12:54 PM (1XDfN)

256 Always amazed that I draw my own personal trolls.

I frustrated and humiliated a guy so badly on a blog years ago so badly that he followed me around everywhere I went to attack and criticize me. He spent hours on my blog posting angry comments and attacking me. I think he goes around to post bad reviews of my books as well. I guess if it makes you happy, dude...

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:54 PM (llsW/)

257 Heh. Disney stock down 50% in a year.

https://tinyurl.com/3r9x9ykt

Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2022 12:55 PM (/NCI4)

258 Fat mannequin legs > John Judas Roberts

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 12:55 PM (tk02u)

259 Well they're quite big above the knee. That's not to say they're not nice. It's honestly more about how a woman moves anyway. You can have great legs but if you're a mannequin I have almost zero interest.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 12:53 PM (tk02u)

A friend of mine sent me a pic that he took when I was in my 20s. I used to have splendid legs, if I may say so myself. But of course in those years I probably thought I was fat.

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:55 PM (DJFLF)

260 I always vote with the SCOTUS in mind. It's cases like this that always confirms that voting for the Republican Senator matters. For me it's always the big picture. This is a great win.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 21, 2022 12:55 PM (NpAcC)

261 I am what one might call a leg aficiando and I must say with slight regret that garrett is 100% correct about her legs.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 12:49 PM (tk02u)

You don't have to simp for Garrett.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 21, 2022 12:55 PM (nByzo)

262 Add a voucher into the mix, and the price increases to market + voucher.

Not necessarily, some might, others have a different approach. Charter schools are more likely to take this approach since they are run by a business. Religious schools have at least a theoretical altruism and ethical restraints.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:55 PM (llsW/)

263 Only one gets to write the majority opinion.

I believe SC justices will "horse trade" for a bigger majority number and make compromises in that single majority opinion to get to 6-3 vs 5-4 decision.

Posted by: Blago
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Majority opinions can be per curiam (unsigned) as was Bush v. Gore II, and yes, horse trading does occur. Brown v. Board of Education had potential dissenters placated by the language of all deliberate speed to dismantle legal segregation of schools. Warren wanted a unanimous vote and agreed to the change.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 12:55 PM (xA2KX)

264 I have an internet friend who has 47 copies of Blade Runner.

One copy of each cut?

I picked up a version of Blade Runner subtitled “The Final Cut” from a discount bin several years ago. Far as I can tell, it’s in the discount bin because “The Final Cut” is several cuts behind the times.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 21, 2022 12:56 PM (U+Oxn)

265 Disney stock down 50% in a year.

So did my crypto. Thankfully it was only a hundred bucks.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:56 PM (llsW/)

266 Chuck Grassley's Dem opponent just sent out a great fundraising message. Warning...do not read if you don't want a gun porn boner!

My opponent Chuck Grassley says he doesn’t know much about guns. Hasn’t shot one in ‘40 – 50 years.’

Well, Senator, I spent nearly 40 years in the Military. So let me tell you… firearms like the AR-15 are weapons of war...

...Pull the trigger of an AR-15. Feel its power. Watch what it does to a hard cantaloupe. See how accurately 30 rounds pass through a target. How fast you can reload another magazine with just a bit of practice...

I'll be in my bunk. Then, a drink and cigar...

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (TC8RU)

267 In a sane world, this decision will pave the way for a wholesale reconsideration -- and eventual Heisman -- of the idiotic, politically-motivated "separation of church and state" doctrine. That doctrine has gone so far astray from the establishment clause as to function as a free-roving anti-religious tool for leftists to stamp out any trace of religion almost anywhere.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2022 12:21 PM (iFTx/)

From wikipedia: Religion is usually defined as a social-cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, morals, beliefs, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that generally relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, and spiritual elements; however, there is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.

Atheism is a religion. It is, in fact, the state religion of the United States, in violation of the Constitution. They can no more "prove" the correctness of their beliefs than can I but the courts have always sided with them.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, member - Ashli Babbitt Society at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (zhLdt)

268 This might be complicated than y'all are making it out to be. The vouchers were for areas with NO public school, but Maine has to provide an education (maybe in their constitution), so rather than set a very expensive school for a small audience, the state went, "go away, ya bather me. , Here's some dough, go find a school. But not an icky religious school." Maine can simply set up expensive schools, tax more and drop the vouchers in those areas. Pretty sure that'll happen in a lot of those areas.

Posted by: Legion of Boom at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (scZui)

269 264 I have an internet friend who has 47 copies of Blade Runner.

One copy of each cut?

I picked up a version of Blade Runner subtitled “The Final Cut” from a discount bin several years ago. Far as I can tell, it’s in the discount bin because “The Final Cut” is several cuts behind the times.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 21, 2022 12:56 PM (U+Oxn)

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Heh.

Blade Runner has 5 cuts (original theatrical, international, director's cut, final cut, and workprint cut). He's just constantly looking for new releases in every market. His love of Blade Runner is a bit of a meme at this other place.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, learning the value of horror with Wes Craven at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (LvTSG)

270 Cool. School choice will help kill the teacher's unions and improve the education kids get.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (xcxpd)

271 Yeah - it's a tough one. If a kid wants an education to better his future, I think it's borderline abusive to say "fuck that, Johnny, daddy needs a new pair of shoes. Tote that barge. Lift that bail."

there are kids who go to school just to the west of me and ALSO essentially work full time jobs. they wear funny hats and plain clothes.

it's rough, but if a youth really and truly wants to learn, they can do with while also working. there are some parents who would what? put them in the mines? you can only truly work limited hours, even on a farm. it seems fixable without specific new legislation - existing employment law should suffice.

btw Amish kids often stop going to school around 7th or 8th grade. they're hella smart regardless!

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (w0NJk)

272

Kellogg Announces It Will Split into 3 Companies

Go woke, go broke.

Posted by: runner at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (ignnb)

273 I spent nearly 40 years in the Military. So let me tell you… firearms like the AR-15 are weapons of war

Frank Burns, is that you?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (llsW/)

274 You don't have to simp for Garrett.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 21, 2022 12:55 PM (nByzo)

I believe the current phrasing in such matters is "get off his d*ck".

This is the price of agreeing with one side or the other in an argument.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (tk02u)

275 Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:55 PM (DJFLF)

You know the rule.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 12:58 PM (tk02u)

276 A great day for freedom. Now American public schools will be forced to compete for students, instead of benefiting from a closed shop where they could fail our children with impunity.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at June 21, 2022 12:58 PM (HmZuC)

277 Precisely. A religious school sets tuition at a "market price" sufficient to meet demand. Add a voucher into the mix, and the price increases to market + voucher.

The only answer is to return education tax dollars to parents, by reducing or eliminating them, or via a tax credit--and putting the onus on parents to educate their kids.
Posted by: RS at June 21, 2022 12:54 PM (1XDfN)

That’s possible and even likely in some cases but it may also expand market suppliers of education creating competition for consumer dollars in the longer term.

Posted by: 7man at June 21, 2022 12:58 PM (qwO6y)

278 Re: The abortion thread. I really, really enjoy /s non religious leftists who try to cudgel conservative about what the Bible says when thy haven't actually read the Bible in years, if ever, except then they google Biblical stuff to supposedly support their political POV.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 21, 2022 12:58 PM (FZ2cV)

279 Religious schools have at least a theoretical altruism and ethical restraints.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:55 PM

I don't necessarily disagree. But I think costs will still increase to some extent.

Fortunately, I don't have to worry. I'm 29++++ and my kids are grown.

Posted by: RS at June 21, 2022 12:59 PM (1XDfN)

280 Actual servicemen would be the first to tell anyone that not everybody who served is the same. Some are a-holes just like in real life. Some never learn a thing. Some are leftist twits and end up a butterball testifying before the senate with lies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 12:59 PM (llsW/)

281 The only answer is to return education tax dollars to parents, by reducing or eliminating them, or via a tax credit--and putting the onus on parents to educate their kids.

Posted by: RS at June 21, 2022 12:54 PM (1XDfN)

IIRC the form letters the nuns sent home with us were to get tax credits.

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 12:59 PM (DJFLF)

282 242 Always amazed that I draw my own personal trolls.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at June 21, 2022 12:52 PM (5p7BC)

Flak over target, Mr. Dave in FL

Posted by: Inogame at June 21, 2022 12:59 PM (53oGX)

283 250 Always amazed that I draw my own personal trolls.

Posted by: Dave in Fla

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The perverted desire of the commenter for 'justice' against perceived wrongs by you is the driver here along with probably some mental issues in real life.

It can also be a paid troll by some organization such as Share Blue or whatever leftist blob organization is funding them.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 01:00 PM (xA2KX)

284 My husband was in a Maryknoll seminary in the 60s. They used to go out to poor countries and build roads and infrastructure. When did that change?
Posted by: Notsothoreau

That didn't change the do good works but, the female side was very supportive of the Sandinistas and I really mean dedicated to the Sandinistas.
The Maryknoll sisters were complete socialists.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 21, 2022 01:00 PM (Zbk/y)

285 I believe the current phrasing in such matters is "get off his d*ck".

This is the price of agreeing with one side or the other in an argument.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (tk02u)

I was simply making the point that I think Garrett puts out without much fuss.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 21, 2022 01:00 PM (nByzo)

286 Nood

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at June 21, 2022 01:00 PM (txdEq)

287 I'd love to own all versions of Bladerunner. In case anyone wants to surprise me with a gift for my birthday....(cough)

Posted by: runner at June 21, 2022 01:00 PM (ignnb)

288 Waaaaaaaaaay too much analysis and debate over a girl's legs in a music video. Just saying . . . .

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2022 01:00 PM (iFTx/)

289 You know the rule.

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 12:58 PM (tk02u)

I would love to, but I just can't in good conscience. \

I refuse to be responsible for what happens to any Moron here assembled.

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 01:00 PM (DJFLF)

290 Posted by: RS at June 21, 2022 12:54 PM (1XDfN)

I think a number of people fail to properly include that one of the deciding factors for parents that choose private schooling is exclusivity.

This is certainly less prevalent in religious schools, but even they are not immune to it.

Sometimes you are paying to keep your children away from other children. I think many schools will seek to maintain that exclusivity.

Where this will help is with start-up religious schools. If I sound pessimistic, I probably am a bit. But overall, this is definitely a win, just not victory.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 01:00 PM (eh1Wg)

291
there are some parents who would what? put them in the mines?

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There are a *lot* of shitty parents who would abuse the system for cash. It's probably not something you could fix. But there are also a whole lot of kids who don't want or can't use schooling, and they should be able to leave or choose a vocational school, without any legal penalty.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at June 21, 2022 01:01 PM (IXpV7)

292 Dave in FL

At least you can banhammer trolls personally. Right?

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at June 21, 2022 01:01 PM (u82oZ)

293 The Maryknoll sisters were complete socialists.

nuns usually are. I can't think of a single order of Sisters that isn't at least Socialist!

you get a nicer variety with the priestly orders.

Posted by: BlackOrchidOfDerp at June 21, 2022 01:01 PM (w0NJk)

294 The only answer is to return education tax dollars to parents, by reducing or eliminating them, or via a tax credit--and putting the onus on parents to educate their kids

At this point just slashing taxes the amount allocated to schools would be the best choice, thus allowing parents to home school, or parents who don't have any kids to use their money as they wish.

Public schooling in theory is a big enough public benefit to justify local taxation to support it, but it has become such a corrosion on society and culture, so evil and twisted that this can no longer be justified.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 21, 2022 01:01 PM (llsW/)

295 was simply making the point that I think Garrett puts out without much fuss.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, wrecker, hoarder, saboteur at June 21, 2022 01:00 PM (nByzo)

LOL

Posted by: ... at June 21, 2022 01:01 PM (tk02u)

296 250 Always amazed that I draw my own personal trolls.

Posted by: Dave in Fla

Look upon them as potential converts. Glass half full.

Posted by: 7man at June 21, 2022 01:02 PM (qwO6y)

297 We were all sent to catholic school in my family. I sent my three also. Today I would probably send them to a Christian school. The catholic schools have gone around the bend in this city.

Posted by: Megthered at June 21, 2022 01:03 PM (AdxHD)

298 >>>Actual servicemen would be the first to tell anyone that not everybody who served is the same. Some are a-holes just like in real life.

It's been my personal experience that military experience amplifies your pre-existing personality traits - good people become great, jerks become assholes, and kooks become psychos. Luckily, most people I've known fall into the first category.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at June 21, 2022 01:03 PM (HmZuC)

299 236... but if I were a black parent whose kid was forced into a dysfunctional inner-city school, I'd be screaming for what my daughter received: a ticket to a better life through an education voucher.

They don't need to scream. They just need to stop voting Dem. It's in their hands.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 21, 2022 12:50 PM

In large blue cities with +100% voting rates? I'm guessing they're voting even though they never filled out a ballot.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at June 21, 2022 01:04 PM (TC8RU)

300 Fortunately, I don't have to worry. I'm 29++++ and my kids are grown.
___

And g-babies are being homeschooled.

Hallelujah.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at June 21, 2022 01:04 PM (u6s3z)

301 Well, one of the Wet Leg legs is fat and the other is skinny.

Posted by: FriscoYoda at June 21, 2022 01:04 PM (S7une)

302 And they're still demanding more.

Posted by: Archimedes
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Every bureaucracy exists to exact money from the populace in order to expand, protect themselves from dismissal, and pay themselves well. You see the same issue in private monopolies which usually leads to government regulation. In the case of public schools, the government itself is supposed to regulate the public schools. Not surprisingly, it occurs rarely and usually after some public outrage. Far easier to deflect the blame to society or other individuals.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 01:06 PM (xA2KX)

303 Kelloggia est omnis divisa in partes tres.

Posted by: Julius Caesar, Sectioning at June 21, 2022 01:06 PM (w9Wax)

304 268 This might be complicated than y'all are making it out to be. The vouchers were for areas with NO public school, but Maine has to provide an education (maybe in their constitution), so rather than set a very expensive school for a small audience, the state went, "go away, ya bather me. , Here's some dough, go find a school. But not an icky religious school." Maine can simply set up expensive schools, tax more and drop the vouchers in those areas. Pretty sure that'll happen in a lot of those areas.
Posted by: Legion of Boom at June 21, 2022 12:57 PM (scZui)

I'm unsure of what your point about the ruling is. As far as setting up schools in low population areas, I'm pretty sure that if t were easy, Big Ed would have done that and mooted the case.

And you discount the effect of the decision outside of Maine. Why?

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at June 21, 2022 01:07 PM (8C7+r)

305 In large blue cities with +100% voting rates? I'm guessing they're voting even though they never filled out a ballot.

Posted by: Moron Analyst
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I also believe that there are 'ghost' voters that do not in fact exist padding the rolls in such places--whether dead, moved to other locales, or entirely fictitious.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 01:07 PM (xA2KX)

306 nuns usually are. I can't think of a single order of Sisters that isn't at least Socialist!

Mother Angelica's order, the Holy Spirit Adoration Sisters, every contemplative order...

just to name a few

Posted by: kallisto at June 21, 2022 01:08 PM (DJFLF)

307 I'm guessing they're voting even though they never filled out a ballot.

After 2020, I’ve begun to suspect that dysfunctional blue cities are not nearly as monolithic as the ballots—and the media—suggest.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at June 21, 2022 01:09 PM (U+Oxn)

308 This brunette in cutoffs hopes (but does not expect) that this marks the beginning of the end for public education:
https://is.gd/ABZe6O

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at June 21, 2022 01:10 PM (WWh8n)

309 293 The Maryknoll sisters were complete socialists.
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I have no problem with people voluntarily banding together to create socialist communities whether nunneries, kibbutzes, or communes. It is when any such individuals or organizations try to use law to compel others outside their community to engage in socialism that I have a problem with.

Posted by: whig at June 21, 2022 01:11 PM (xA2KX)

310 Everything composed made a bunch of sense. However,
think about this, suppose you added a little information? I am not saying
your information isn't good., but suppose you added a post
title that makes people desire more? I mean Huge:
Supreme Court Rules That States Cannot Discriminate Against Religious Schools In Tuition-Assistance Plans, Clearing Way for Education Passports is
a little boring. You ought to look at Yahoo's home page and see how they create post
titles to grab people interested. You might try adding a
video or a related pic or two to grab people excited about everything've got
to say. Just my opinion, it could make your posts a little livelier.

Posted by: marketing services vs products at June 21, 2022 01:13 PM (Muekl)

311 She found the diary in a bed at a Florida halfway house Ashley Biden had stayed in after treatment for her compulsive sexual urges.

Nothing halfway about those houses! Best parties ever.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at June 21, 2022 01:15 PM (D6lWx)

312 "While purporting to protect against discrimination of one kind, the court requires Maine to fund what many of its citizens believe to be discrimination of other kinds."
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IOW, there is only one correct way to think, and that is woke lefty secular think!

Any school that is not encouraging kids to whack off their pee-pees and inviting in drag queens to shake their penis and balls in kids faces while singing raunchy songs about butt sex and penis-licking is clearly discriminating against LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ folks, and that's just wrong!

We can't have taxpayers sending money to Christian and Jewish schools that teach kids to behave morally. That's just sick!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--FJB at June 21, 2022 01:17 PM (MvHI3)

313 "And you discount the effect of the decision outside of Maine. Why?"

I am not sure it is a widely applicable as we'd like (A Roberts Decision that is actually good for conservatives? GASP!!). Sure, for this case (offered to all families with school age children in schools districts), but the devil is in the details or the workarounds. In truth, this may set back vouchers and school choice, as it may be used the reason for NOT creating those programs.

Posted by: Legion of Boom at June 21, 2022 01:23 PM (hSk+J)

314 I've always relied on the kindness of feckless republicans

Posted by: typical dim at June 21, 2022 01:26 PM (us2H3)

315 But I'm not sure private or even religious schools are that much better......They are only a few steps behind public schools in pushing woke SJW bullshit and social experimentation on kids.... I think the entire educational establishment -- public, private, religious -- needs to be nuked from orbit....
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 21, 2022 12:17 PM (iFTx/)

Homeschool is the only way to ensure a proper education and if you choose to indoctrinate your own children, go right ahead.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue - no longer playing the game at June 21, 2022 01:29 PM (gao0c)

316 "I had no idea that CPS did that. If I were a Chicago parent who couldn't afford private school I'd be picking up the phone *today* to find a doctor who'd brand my kid as "special needs" for a reasonable gratuity."

Actually, the Supreme Court rules back in, I believe, the 1960s that every public-school system has to make appropriate schooling available to its special-needs kids. Given the number of adults who game the system by claiming disability, it surprises me that more parents don't do that for their kids.

Posted by: Nemo at June 21, 2022 01:32 PM (S6ArX)

317 And yes, the voucher will only provide part of funding for tuition. But that's kinda my point. If a parent will pay $15,000 a year for tuition presently, and the state provides a voucher for $5,000, suddenly the school will discover that tuition is $20,000.

I have a stack of beg-letters from my daughter's Christian school that leads me to believe this. There is never enough money for an entity that believes money is the cure.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at June 21, 2022 12:44 PM

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Vouchers should enable more people to be able to afford private schools, which should in turn cause more of them to open and provide more price competition between them.

Of course the ultimate solution is to get the government entirely out of the school business including the collecting and disbursing of funds. All schools should be private, no funds going through the government except perhaps subsidies for the poor. We got by just fine that way for over 100 years.

Posted by: Bigsmith at June 21, 2022 03:40 PM (t/o4k)

318 Quit barring Christians while allowing Pagans and Islam

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 21, 2022 06:18 PM (wGqjj)

319 This is potentially very good but the left has not left out religious schools from their infiltrate and destroy from within strategy.

The schools have to be carefully screened by parents and the corrupted ones purged or destroyed if necessary.

Posted by: SamIam at June 21, 2022 06:31 PM (oasF3)

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